Christmas (Open Discussion Thread)

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    A Visit from St. Nicholas
    By Clement Clarke Moore
    December 23, 1823

    ‘Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
    Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse;
    The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
    In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there;
    The children were nestled all snug in their beds;
    While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads;
    And mamma in her ‘kerchief, and I in my cap,
    Had just settled our brains for a long winter’s nap…

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      1. Indy Colts


        • JustMe

          Merry Christmas, everyone

          • Plan twice, prep once

            Merry Christmas to all, and thank you!

            Crazy Christmas, I had read about “Israeli trauma bandages” months ago here on Bought some for family Christmas gifts. My Son showed up and had bought some for me, as well, so we’re swimming in them.

            After dinner dishes were done, the wife is putting away the big glass platter and dropped it, a shard of glass impaled her foot. Freaking blood everywhere. I peeled her sock off which pulled out the glass, and the blood is gushing. I tell my son to get one of the bandages, and it works just like the YouTube video, and we’re of to the emergency room.

            X-rays show I got all the glass is out, looks like no tendon damage, no broken bones. They unwrap it and the wound is sealed solid by the quick-clot in the bandage, so the stitches are a breeze. They are all mystified by the crazy amazing bandage on my wife’s foot, one dr is annoyed they can be bought without a prescription! What a clueless ass. It’s all about getting someone to medical care without them going into shock or even dying due to blood loss. She got a tetanus shot and antibiotics, and we are home now having pumpkin and apple pie. Putting ice packs on her foot.

            The SHTF at the darnedest times! Merry Christmas all. My special thanks to whoever it was that posted a link to the YouTube video about Israeli trauma bandages, so many months ago.

            • passinwiththewind

              A glimpse at the new generation of demoralized kids.

              ht tp://

              • Plan twice, prep once

                On Christmas I kept thanking everyone for survival supplies. My daughter in law put together a basket of gourmet goodies :crackers, pasta, jams, preserves,dried breads – which I kept referring to as survival supplies. It was the standing joke after the trauma bandages were opened! My daughter gave me a beer making kit – definite essential survival item!

                My son was already ordering replacement and extra trauma bandages from Amazon, wile my wife was still getting stitches at the ER!

        • Charley Waite

          Merry Christmas! May all our fears prove to be vapors. Blessings on each and every one of you and peace on earth!

          • Anonymous

            Most people get over their fears after they kick their opponent a few times in the teeth. I hope this site and posted comments gets people off their butts and takes charge of their lives. What we all need to do this next year is question everything, Question Authority, Question Brain washed Religion, Illegal Laws, and learn how to say NO!!! Start going to your city council meetings,and voice your opinion all call out the political criminals making all the decisions with your money. It all starts at the local level, and you would be surprised how many people support your ideas and glad you spoke up. Teach and encourage people to get active in their governments. Watch these political cockroaches squirm. We cannot afford to sit on the side lines anymore and just take it. organize neighborhood groups and carpool to these meetings. Take a Stand or just keep getting beat up sitting on your ass!! You have strength in numbers when fighting the Government, especially if you form a 501c3 neighborhood organization. They are then required to recognize your positions and get it all on the record as documented in opposition. I have busted my City trying to defraud entire neighborhood with phony zoning changes, and regulatory taking of property without compensation. They fold like cheap tent cowards when you call them out on the record of their Fraud and corruption. They then cannot hide and in fact run like sissy’s.

            • Anonymous

              Yes I posted this get involved info above anonymous. All green thumbs. If I used my WWTI Name the idiots would be red thumbing it. Just goes to show thumbs are stupid. Thanks for playing my game.

              • BJ

                LMAO…that is hilarious and spot on. I thought about doing that exact same thing early this morning as I laid in bed and read an article on my phone. It was on Drudge and was about the jews leaving Ukraine and going back to Israel. I though about taking BJ out of the screen name and posting as anonymous and leaving any opinions out of the post and remaining neutral.

                • Anonymous

                  WTTI and BJ,

                  First of all, let me say this was well played indeed! It proves beyond the shadow of a doubt the intelligence of the thumbs crowd. However, if you choose to use the handle anonymous, odds are likely you’ll get mostly red thumbed and told by braveheart to leave, and we all know how effective THAT has been!

            • TEST

              The “religion” to question is secular humanism. Religion, strictly defined, is anything that tells us where we came from, why we are here, and where we are going. And yes, by that definition, secular humanism, and even Darwinianism, fits the bill.

              I will say this, however: The Christian faith is what established the US, and made it the greatest country to ever have existed. In fact, is is *precisely* the humanist religion that has destroyed this country.

              And yes, I am just waiting for the first person to try to tell me this country was NOT founded on the Christian faith. I trust Mac has enough space for the voluminous number of quotes I have. And for those of you interested, David Barton at has a lot of interesting info

              • Anonymous for those who like Facts

                Test – If you actually like Facts, then just check real History. If you like to be lied to listen to confused religious people. WWTI

                Article 11 contained in the Treaty of Tripoly

                Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

                And ratified 100% by congress and signed by the President Hope this clarifies the Facts and history of our country.

                The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.


        • ReFounding Father

          Merry Christmas to all y’all


          • ReFounding Father

            Lol, my Merry Christmas is in moderation! By the time it’s posted it will be happy new year!


            • John Q. Public

              Christmas blessings to all, especially to those whose hearts and souls are most in need of conversion.

              Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum!

            • Old Nam vet

              Oh ye of very little faith. Please try to have a great Christmas. keep your powder dry…

        • BigB

          Merry Christmas SHTF Plan people. God Bless each and everyone of you. Thanks Mac, it has been a great year.


        • Carhartt

          I know it’s late but, Merry Christmas!

      2. swinging richard

        Merry Christmas to all posters here at SHTF.

        • Nobama

          Swinging Dick,
          Long time no hear.

          • swinging richard

            Nobama, had a little kidney stone problem. Only got half of it , so we will do it again soon. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

            • eppe

              Grapefruit or pineapple juice and olive oil.
              Give it a try…

            • wrong

              drink more water and no pop. I’ve had two of those things. Lots of pain!

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Try Lemon Juice and Beer. (Doctor Recommended advice, No Kidding) Another reason to drink lots of water daily especially before bed time, as that is when the Kidneys flush the system of toxins is during rest. If you don’t flush it out, it remains within and drags your body down over time, robbing your body of good energy, which is being wasted on fighting to overcome the excess toxins in the body. Go to a Holistic Doctors to tell you this. Regular doctors will just prescribe you more Toxic drugs to mask the symptoms. Get off all Prescription drugs if possible. You will feel much better.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  WWTI, spot on advice. I gave up sodas 2 years ago and actually lost some weight the first week without them. Now it’s only water, tea, and coffee for me; MORE water than the other 2 liquids. I’m not on any kind of FDA-approved poisons whatsoever. Physically, I feel damn good. Hope your Christmas went well. Take care.

              • swinging richard

                Thanks for the advice guys. I will try these things. I have never been a fan of soda pop but I do drink a lot of milk. Analysis of stones say calcium osculate.

              • Nobama

                I agree with the no pop. So many reasons to stay away from pop drinks for ones health. Why poison yourself.

                Water, lots of water, especially if it’s not tap water polluted by the city’s illegal forced fluoridation scheme.

                Best to you and yours.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Nobama, I get purified bottled water all the time. Tap water sucks. Hope your Christmas went well. Take care.

      3. Dr E

        Merry Christmas and God bless to you Mac and your wife Tess and to everyone that posts and reads here. Hard times are comin and we all know that and are prepared in varying degrees.
        Enjoy the celebration of the Christ child and the promise He has given to all that believe.


        Dr E

        • tysonprepper

          Happy Christmas and a merry New year to all from da brits keep ya head held high.
          ( I’m pissed as a fart by the way).

          • What?


            Did you find out Richard Hammond really is an American?


            • apache54

              Mac, wishing you and yours and all the people on this site a very Merry Christmas and we hope for the best! and we can handle the rest!

          • Hunter


            Please allow me to translate..”pissed as a fart”..into amerikan-ese..

            = ..”drunk as a skunk”


            Yea…Merry Christmas to you Brits/Aussies/Kiwis & Cannucks here..hope you have a great Boxing Day also!!!


            On a personal note:

            (as I know some there, “read” this site)

   the cheerful, small English village of Cassington (in Oxfordshire) & its “RED LION pub crowd & killer barmaid/owner”—

            –Cheers to all–

            ..and if you happen to see Julie Baggott & Beverly Dore..tell them, Jackie has never forgotten them!

            • Babycatcher55

              Merry Christmas to you as well, and thanks for the explanation! Been a long time since I’ve heard anything Canuck…:)

              • Canada Canuk

                @Babycatcher55…Merry Christmas to you and yours….we Canuks are still here and still watching…..and waiting! All is good here, we are so blessed! Take Care, CC.

            • Hunter

              –addendum to above–

              —–(deep sigh) ..w/ hardy a Christmas chuckle!!!! —–

     my erstwhile & dedicated/committed, red-thumb stalker(s)..

              –MERRY CHRISTMAS to you & yours!!!

              • the renegade braveheart

                Hunter, Merry Christmas to you and yours.

                • Hunter

                  ..and to you, Brave!

                  GOD Bless…

            • tysonprepper

              Lol. Thank you for translating my English into americanese for me.. hope Y’ALL have a great time I’m off to get sloshed, I’ll see or read you guys in the coming year

            • tysonprepper

              The hackers are at it again takin down pan network and Xbox live .. what next? How easy is it for them to make our lives a misery and now I’m more worried about my account being hacked which I can’t check until I get home as I am on holiday. Damn hackers!

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Yep Thanks Mac for your dedicated support of free speech forums. Hopefully we can figure out how to salve all the worlds problems. Ant least here calling out and recognizing what the problems are and the Instigators.

          It would be nice again to wipe all the laws off the Books and start from the baseline US Constitution. Pretty sad when there is a document that has to spell out our rights in a few dozen amendments or rights and then a Million Laws on the books of what you can’t do. Remember every Law that is put into place, is another Right taken away from somebody. The Congress seems to think their productivity is measures in the number of laws then can pass each year. I would rather see how many laws they can dissolve and take off the books. That would be progress in my book.

          Happy Holidays all. !! WWTI

          • Stan522

            Why would someone down-thumb this?

            I cheer for those times that Congress is on recess and/or we have a government shut-down… They don’t pass more feel-good laws when they are OUT.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Stan because they are Red thumb sucking haters who don’t even read the content. They like to click on the colorful graphics like 5 year olds. Then run away and don’t even post a comment why they red tagged it. Just goes to show you the flaws in a voting system. And why many blog sites just use up thumb voting. Anybody can vote multiple times by logging in and out 20 times. Which is a childish thing to do but they do it anyway. Its their sissy game.

              • Nobama

                I really wish Mac didn’t cave in to the sniveling children here and re-instate the stupid thumbs. Really gives this site an immature unprofessional facebook-ish look.

                Mac, are you listening?

                • admin

                  I am — Thanks for your feedback. I have received tons of comments/emails since we first took the original thumbing system offline due to it being compromised. Most of them were from folks who wanted the system to return. It is for this reason that we brought it back, and I do think it adds to the conversation as people who post can very easily see how their comments was received – some folks don’t like to respond with a full comment and I think the thumbs make it fairly easy to just say yay or nay.

                  For now I’d like to leave the thumbs up and running, though I have received some feedback regarding removal of the “DOWN” Thumb which may be something we do in the near future. Ideally, I just wanted something that people could click that says something like “This comment was helpful,” as opposed to an “UP” thumb…

                  Still working on it Nobama — again, I appreciate your feedback on this.



                  • BJ

                    Some sites use just a “like” button…….if the voting style of a comment must remain in some fashion or another to appease the facebook crowd, it seems to me that a compromise between the two groups would be a simple “like” button. That way the voting up and down graphic is gone, but the voter loving crowd can still have their vote “fix” for the day.

                  • BJ

                    Most of all….please give us a “reply with quote” button and do away with the snake like right and left posting. That way it is in a straight line down and in the chronological order the post is posted.

                • BJ

                  I full heartedly agree. if typing a comment is too hard for people to do, then IMHO, they should just remain quiet.

            • TEST

              Sounds like the leftist trolls are back. Ugh

              • Anonymous

                Take it easy lady, they’re allowed to post their comments here as well as YOU so take the knots out of your undies.

      4. Anonymous

        Merry Christmas to all here! Hope everyone gets a new gun for Christmas!

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Anon, Yep got another gun (Dragon Fire Breather) last month. lol Let er’Rip!!!

          Gas just dropped another .10 cents in a day, now only $2.19 Central West Coast FL And it 80 Deg here now today. lol

          Holiday Cheers all. Don’t drink too much. ha.

          • Molly Pitcher

            Gas in the SW Windy City burbs…2.15….Streator…1.99…

            • Jerry C

              Just saw gas here in Topeka Ks this evening at $1.86… we’re actually having gas wars here

              • fishandmud

                For the ones that can afford it, now is the time to stock up on a little fuel.

                Thank you Mac for this site.

                GOD bless to all the readers here. Hope you all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

                We all no that it is coming. Keep on prepping,reading an learning.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  FishnMud – Yep have 6 x 5 gal Jerry cans, been using up and rotating out the older pricier gas… Will soon take all 6 cans to fill up again with the cheaper priced gas. With the 30 gals of extra gas and the 22 gallon vehicle tank that is 52 gallons @20 Mi / Gallon, that’s 1040 miles approx I could drive without filling up. Plenty to get me out of FL during hurricane season. Why sit in a 5 mile long line during evacuation to get gas because you failed to prepare ahead of time. Gas is like Food, the gas stations only store a few days gas on the premises. The supply line gets cut off for a few weeks and most people are screwed. Sit in place and enjoy staycation.

                  • Nobama

                    WWTI, same here, 6x5gal cans, been rotating them every year for several years now. Preserved with Stabil and Lucas, will probably switch to PRI once I’ve used up the Stabil because I heard it might be better, but no first-hand experience with it. I’ve had no problems with Stabil though.

                    My concern isn’t bugging out of state, we’ll stay put if possible. Rather, if something severe happens, and the stations are down or rationing, I can still keep my vehicles full for awhile. Or run a generator for awhile.

                    • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                      Yes, I use PRI-G for Gas.. They also make PRI-D for diesel. Yep bulk up on the cheaper costing gas.

                      Remember to find the cheapest Gas in your area go to type in your zip code and every Gas Station is listd for cheapest to pricey. A good gas link to keep on your Cell Phone while out driving.

                    • the renegade braveheart

                      WWTI and Nobama, I have 5 5-gal. cans I also rotate for when I bugout to my cousin’s BOL in north GA. Been using Stabil with no problems.

                  • fishandmud

                    I can store around 300 gallons of fuel. I have never stored that much though. When I do store fuel though, I always use Stabil marine formula. It is for the ethanol fuel. Leave it in the boats, RVs, chainsaws, and lawnmowers year round. Never had a problem. I don’t worry about the hurricanes, can’t leave anyways.

            • Stan522

              Southern Kalifornia has it just under 3 bucks……. but sure is better than the $4-5 dollar range it’s been under obama…..

              Looks like the cheaper gas did not spell out to greater Christmas purchases all the talking heads were saying would happen. Sales reports in the financials say sales are flat over last year… looks like the stock market will take a hit when it opens up again…….

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Stan, You high gas prices in Cali may be added State Taxes pounding the price upwards.

                • t-zulu

                  plus there are additives in cali gas due to their epa regs, I think

          • Warchild Dammit!

            I think Warchild would be happy with a ACOG,just not gonna hold my breath!I actually helped out some friends and their kids who are in a much tighter spot then me,that’s what it is all about,well,except a few drinks and this sobriety thing kinda blocks that!I remember Christmas eve in the days of my youth,paper and all the pretty lights,miss them days!Anyhow,have a good time with friends/family ect.,and catch you all when the holiday insanity over!

            • Hunter

              Warchild Dammit—-

              Hey pal…suck it up and double whatever it takes to save for an ACOG!!!

    ’ll never regret doing such, sir!


              BTW, ‘Thick as a Brick’..just finished/closed-out, on the old-school stereo, per Kenwood/Technics/Akai/Cerwin-Vega & Sansui (on vinyl no less)!!!

     up ‘Wishbone Ash’ –live dates– ..then some ‘poor-mans Moody Blues’ …aka..Barclay-James-Harvest!

              ..damn, but all those Brits could jam, don’tcha know!


              ..of course a little Maker’s Mark Bourbon..enhances the memories.

              Merry Christmas to Mac & family/Daisy & everyone here!

              • Canada Canuk

                @Hunter…Hey, you DO know your rock Bands! And so nice to listen to the oldies on vinyl! A SPECIAL Christmas Wish to you and yours! Take Care,CC.

            • faith of the fallen

              I just got a glock 30S with tritium trijicon sights for Christmas war. I think you’d like the vcog better. I got one for my AR and its awesome. A vortex or Burris 1×4 would be a great choice.
              MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!

              • Warchild Dammit!

                Hunter,great choice of music,as for sucking it up work was slow and passed on a few gigs with all I had to deal with this summer/fall,can do that when you don’t have a family to feed.I am getting some gigs but also as stated above helped a few friends as they had layoffs ect. and wanted to make sure their kids holiday was cool.I will get a ACOG down the road!Faith,if I have trouble affording a ACOG really can’t see as much as would enjoy being able to afford the VCOG!

                • Hunter

                  My apologies WCD, I should’ve considered such, per difficult times.

                  Thus, allow me to rephrase the context…

                  ..please Warchild to ACOG…soon!

                  ..he’s one of the good guys, after all.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              A few months ago I sent off a big box of extra preps to my nephew (College Kid) who now gets it, regarding “Prepping” and why, and he was putting together his bug out bag. I sent him a bunch of my excess items, as I have been constantly been up grading and replacing over the last few years. He was so excited when he got the package. Entra gun holsters, gun cases, camo clothes, A brand new pair of hiking boots, a little small for me, but perfect for him, a gun scope, stoves, fire starter tablets, a few lighters, glow sticks, emergency blankets, emergency ration bars, a few MRE’s, odds and ends. He said it was better than Christmas. So maybe everybody here can help out someone else with your extras. It is a hard ramp up from the beginning as you know, where do you begin. Especially if budgets are tight. Start with your Bug Out Bag, and back track to 6 Mths of food. He shot a nice 11 Pt Buck this year which will feed him with plenty of protein this winter.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              WC Damm – A lot of people swear by ACOG – take a look at EOTech – holographic red dot. some units even have Night vision adaptation. It is more pricey but, hey you only live once. maybe longer… ha.

          • Man on the inside

            Have a great Christmas and a safe new year. 2.19-2.41 pacific NW. Prep for the fun that will be 2015. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS.

          • durango kidd

            $1.97 at Fry’s in Phoenix. 🙂

            • Deporter84

              Durango I have been meaning to ask you are you from Durango? I did graduate there a d I belive we may have a mutual friend?

            • markinaz

              $1.95 Casa Grande, AZ

            • Canada Cis $anuk

              To All: Gas here in Central Ontario Canada,$.97 cents per LITRE….I think that equals approx.$4.00(Cdn gal) Not quite sure how to convert into US….approx. $3.75 p/gal?…..Anyhow, it is definitely a great Christmas gift to all Canadians!!! Take care, CC.

          • talon1776

            Have a safe holiday WWTI…gas just went to $2.35 in SoCal.

            • Anonymous

              Thx Talon. As cheap as gas is getting I thought by March we would see $2 gas. At this rate we may all see gas below $2 in January. The Saudi’s arent taking any prisoners this time. Wars will follow. Stay armed and safe.

              • sixpack

                I’m more interested in propane, butane and lamp oils myself. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

                • Man on the inside

                  219 for propane in the Pacific NW

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  Enjoy your Holiday week sixpack. Eat some good food and get ready for 2015. I think it is going to be even more challenging, as our country continues falls apart in every direction. Knowledge is power stay alert.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Sixpack, Merry Christmas.

                  • sixpack

                    I had a very nice Christmas day today. It was completely stress free, and I’m stuffed to the gills with good food and drink. I’m sitting back fat and happy! I hope everyone had something similar.

                    I was just browsing the news and found a very informative web page, that I had never seen. It’s a long read with several different sections, but there is a little something in there for almost everyone.

                    I enjoyed it immensely.


        • Nobama

          Thanks Anon. Not getting a new gun, but am building a new one. One truly fun hobby, oh hell yeah.

          • the renegade braveheart

            WWTI and Nobama, Merry Christmas to both of you pricks.

            • Nobama

              That’s MISTER prick to you, bravefart.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              LOL. RBH. Stays safe I need you here to pick on daily. Ha. At least you got guts to reply. which I respect. Peace Bro and to all. I think 2015 will be crazy and tricky. Keep your stregnth up. And trust no one.

              • the renegade braveheart

                WWTI, you do make some good posts about prepping tips and some other subjects that we actually have some common ground on. If you’re just joking, well OK, no problem then. I agree about 2015; I think first quarter is when TSHTF. I think we’re running out of time. Peace and stay safe. BTW, I do enjoy challenging the trolls who come here. Helps me blow off some steam.

                • oicu812

                  Yea, 2015, the sticks that are holding up the house of financial cards will begin to snap.

                  I believe the lower gas, and continued climb of the market, will paddle along until late summer. Folks will think everything is back to the good ole days of the late eighties and early nineties, and sink it all into the banks and markets/commodities. retirements/life savings/investment banking, will appear better than normal.

                  As the old saying goes, it will be the calm before the storm for another six to eight months. Just my prediction.

                  Seeing a major shift in all financials in early to mid September. That giant sucking sound is the mountain of wealth that was built up by unsuspecting investors/depositors for decades, self imploding like one gigantic suck/sink hole underneath it all.

                  Bank on it. The trigger/catalyst could be man made, or an act of God. It doesn’t matter what causes it. What matters is how a person is positioned “when” it happens.

                  The writing is on the wall. When people (mostly lazy uneducated blacks) want “stuff”, your stuff, so bad that they ignore common law and decency, and prey on the weak unsuspecting folks comming out of shopping malls; to terrorize and rob at gunpoint, it is soon coming to a head, a point of no return.
                  It has happened at an increased rate in almost every state of the nation.

                  Until folks start carrying, and defending themselves from the thugs/lowlifes, it will continue to escalate. Until they want Peace and Common Decency more than they want “stuff”, it will not get better.

                  Hope you all are having a wonderful Christmas time and have the spirit of the true meaning of this season within your hearts and minds. We need it more than ever in these trying times.

                  • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                    Oicu812. Yes. The banking cartel now have their ducks in a row when the financial system collapses. If you were paying attention, at the last G20 meeting they passed the new banking rules and in which our lovely boot licking Jew Zog shill congress also passed which under the new rules banking DEPOSITERS MONEY can be used to cover the Bank’s Gambling losses. That’s right!!! So anybody smart with a half of brain will take e all their money out of banks and convert most of it to hard assets like preps, food, pay off all debts, but silver and gold. Any idiot who leaves their money in a bank will get screwed. Pay attention and stay 3 steps ahead of these bankster thieves. It couk d all crash tomorrow if they want it to. Over a holiday weekend is when they will do it when banks are closed to avoid bank runs. And they will just turn off the ATM machines. The banks with this new law are all set up now and protected for the collapse.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  If you can’t handle the trolls here on a simple keyboard, how will you handle them in the streets? Consider this a toughening up and training program. No running away being sissys.

                  Ever watch those prison lock up shows..?? If you start out as a coward you will be taken advantage by every hoodie in the joint. You will gain a lot more respect standing up to a bully. Hell he may respect you so much for standing up, he will take you under his wing and give you protection. Get into a standoff, request a special meeting. Trade your benefits and skills/ Barter. (No I am not talking sexual you freaks.) More like insider banking info, computers, hacks, schemes, etc. Learn how to play the game and survive.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Anon, I got a new Ruger SR22 pistol right after Thanksgiving. Best shooting .22 semiauto pistol I’ve ever had.

          • Nobama

            That Ruger SR22 is one I’ve had my eye on. Nice choice. I used to have a Walther P22, worst POS I ever paid FRNs for.

            • Hunter


              ..almost bought one myself, several years back..but, brother-in-law beat me too it!

              Damn thing jammed every 3rd-4th rnd! The only ammo it would somewhat..reliably consume, was CCI ‘Stingers’.

    ’re right..’twas an over-priced POS!


              He ended up swapping it out for a “HENRY” golden boy, plus cash..

     damn trade he ever made, IMO!

            • the renegade braveheart

              Nobama, you should get one. It’s one sweet-shooting .22. When I took it to the range to test it, I ran 8 different types of ammo through it with NO misfeeds or jams. I looked at a Walther at the same time. The girl I know at the sporting goods store where I got the Ruger did advise against the Walther. Since I’m a Ruger fan anyway I bought it and don’t regret it for one minute. .22LR rounds are still hard to come by. Good thing I already have a nice stockpile built up. I was stockpiling .22LR BEFORE Sandy Hook. I knew something big was coming before the 2012 election but SHIT; we were all caught off guard by what came next. Peace and stay safe.

              • Nobama

                I stocked up on CCI MiniMags after Obola got elected the first time. Then re-stocked again after the results of the second “election”. Damn glad I did.

                I too am a Ruger fan. If Ruger had the SR22 when I bought the Walther, I would never have bought the Walther. I ended up giving it away in trade to a man who did some work on my truck.

                I also have a SIG Mosquito. Not too impressed with it, although it is better than the Walther. I think I’ll sell it and buy the Ruger.

          • lower40

            Amen renagede ,bought one day after sandy hook ,paid through the nose ,but you couldnt get them anywhere ,love the gun one of the funnest shooting guns ive bought in a long time ,mine also has the threaded barrel for a suppressor ,still sucks trying to get .22 ammo down here in the shoeshine state though ,stay safe God Bless

            • Nobama

              Suppressors give a new meaning to “Silent Night, Holy Night…”

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Suppressors are now legal in FloriDuh – For hunting wise any way. If asked, just tell them you are hunting cans. Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and Africans. ha…

            • the renegade braveheart

              Lower40, I’ve seen those and wish I’d gotten one but the one I bought without the threaded barrel was the LAST one Bass Pro Shop had in stock. In fact, it was the one they had in the display case. I’ll probably go to Ruger’s website and order a threaded barrel just in case. It sure is light for a .22LR pistol but I love it anyway. I might even buy another SR22 later on. It also sucks trying to get .22LR here in Memphis. Bass Pro gets in shipments of .22 on Saturdays and people are lined up to get it. There’s even a few fights over it on occasion. Take care.

          • fishandmud

            I bought two sr’s 2 years ago. Best shooting little concealable things. I just found out, a friend of a friend can take the no mag disconnect off. That will happen shortly. The 2 I have shoot anything. I recommend one or two for everyone.

            • the renegade braveheart

              Fishandmud, I’m sold on the SR22 totally and especially since I’m a Ruger fan anyway. I also have a 10/22, the stainless model, I bought way back when they were $125 new in the box. I have a bunch of the 25-round mags for it. I tried one of the 32-round mags in it once and had feeding issues with that mag. The 25-round mags work just fine for me. No other brand of weapon for me BUT Ruger.

              • fishandmud

                Renegade Braveheart : I also love Ruger. My favorte weapon. I do own others though. A 10/22 is the finest, most versatile 22 on the market. I have two of the old ones. Love them. If you have a Rural King, they sell the SRs for les than $300. Pissed me off when they came to town. I paid $350 ea for mine. No threads, but it was the peak of obumer gun sales. I catch ammo once in a while. The shelves were starting to look pretty descent, accept 22, then all of a sudden emptying all out again. I don’t think they will ever recover. They are making millions of rounds of 22 weekly, somebody has got to be getting them. The one thing I give obumer is, he has single handedly armed this country like no other president before him.

                • fishandmud

                  except 22s

      5. America

        Merry Christmas to all from balmy NE Ohio

      6. screwthegov

        …and all through the land,the scum Muslims were planning, evil at hand. Crooked politicians raking in the dough,betraying us all,to hell they will go. Better wake up all our friends, while we still can.

        • talon1776

          …because the shits about to hit the fan.

          Seem an appropriate poetic ending to your post screwthegov.

          Live Free or Die…and to all a good night

      7. Drifter

        I just want to say that over the past year, I have learned so much by reading both the articles and the comments on this site. Thanks to all of you for sharing your wisdom. I have been blessed by you all.

        Merry Christmas!

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Nice Comment Drifter. We learn everyday. Seek the truth. Its hard to find these days. Peace on Earth!!

      8. Angry Old White Guy

        Merry Christmas to everyone here and hopes for a save New Year.

      9. robert

        saturnalia. pagan holiday. Christ Jesus born in sept. Christmas is infiltration like easter and so on. Jer ch10 talks about heathens who go out chop down a tree bring it in their home, stand it upright, deck it with shiney stuff. satan claws, wreaths and so on.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Robert, just spike the Pagan egg nog and watch things lighten up around the home front. Kids will do cartwheels, wifey will get all giggly, etc..

        • BJ

          Winter solstice is actually the most evil time of year when celebrated the most by pagans and satanists.

          But breaking away from christmas is hard to do. But we aren’t to follow the traditions of men…period.

          • BJ

            More pagans and satanists celebrate things on winter solstice than they do on halloween

      10. Nels

        Heard a great one last night, special on cnn? about ‘going to heaven.’ One lady said, (paraphrasing) “live fearlessly.” To those that read the Bible, it tells us not to ‘fear’ and I wanted to pass along what I thought was a GREAT THOUGHT.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          There was no such thing as FEAR until the bible invented it. The called it the Devil and evil doers, pretty much the same classic text book fear mongereing as our government invents the neww boggieman or terrorist or Eboli. And if you give upand surrebder your soul to this faith or rights to the Government they claim they will save you or protect you but you have to promise to believe and be faithful to them and tith and pay taxes and they will keep you safe. There is nothing to fear but war mongering governments and crazed bible thumpers, koran thumpers, etc in any form.

      11. Maineuh

        This has been the strangest year of my life, thanks to a very fast awakening. I’ve really come to appreciate this forum for it’s no-nonsense approach. The comments are almost always at least as valuable as the post itself. Merry Christmas to all and to all good preps.

      12. Valley Boy

        I have been following SHTF for many a year now, and I have to say, I have learned so much from all of you!Thanks so much, and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all, especialy you Mac! You make this all possible! Keep up the prepping, and to all a good night!

      13. Trailer Park Investor

        Thank You
        And May God Bless and Keep You and Yours Safe.

      14. greasemonkoid

        Thankyou Mr. Slavo, and have a great Christmas, enjoy it to its fullest for next year may be very different.

      15. Kulafarmer

        Merry Christmas all,
        Counting our blessings

        • talon1776

          Mele Kaliki’maka Kula and to you Mac Tess and the Patriots of the Republic!

          Live Free or Die…we will not go quietly into the night

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Hang in thete Kula I hear it is snowing on the Big Island Volcano area. Peace to you Brother.

      16. Chantilly Lady

        Prayers for all to have a great 2015 and may somehow, people realize we are all in this together…

      17. G.F. Handel

        Merry Christmas one and all! I would like to bless each of you with the gift of free classical Christmas music, streaming online at

      18. 88

        Merry Christmas to all on this site. Not happy holidays Merry Christmas! There are a lot of haters that will attack this holiday, but I for one will not let let them bring me down with them. Thatk you Mac for this site, lots of useful info over the years

        • Chantilly Lady

          People have become way too sensitive, especially over a what is meant to be a polite exchange… are we really at the point where we need to start self segregating ourselves? So much for progress….

          • the renegade braveheart

            Chantilly Lady, good to hear from you, and Merry Christmas to you and yours.

        • the renegade braveheart

          88, I agree. I tell the morons who promote that PC crap where to go all year long. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          88. There are some on here that wish to post the truth and to make those who go through life and never question WHY. To start asking WHY with logic and facts than fables and fantasy. The Bible claims the earth is only about 5000 to 6000 years old but the diamond on your wifes finger is from 1 Billion to 3 Billion years old. So which one is more factual? Your religion or the diamond? Ask your pastor how old is a diamond? Then watch him sqirm.

          • CircuitRider

            The Bible gives the generations of man from Adam, which when the generations are added, comes to approximately 6000 years. Some believe the earth has been around longer because God told Adam to “replenish” the earth, as if it had been “plenished” before. Either way, when God created the earth, he didn’t create “baby” things. The mountains were “brought forth”. They didn’t grow up from baby mountains. There were trees in the garden. Not saplings. The diamonds were diamonds when created. They didn’t become diamonds. The important thing is- God became a man so he could die for us.
            Merry Christmas!

            • Hunter



              ..thou be-ist full of shit!!

              ..take your timeline theology & cram it!


              Why is it..those of your ilk, always attempt to define & pigeon-hole the Creator’s works…into a MAN defined ‘false-construct’..

     as to validate the “Cherry-Picking”..of various scripture / gospel support your particular type’s religious ideology..??

              ..(again, man defined)..interpretation..of biblical events..slewed unto the thinking of those, who never realize..

              ..that infinite (= never ending)!!

              ..whilst finite (= limited).


              FYI Circuit-Rider..

              ..there is no way, that the finite/limited -(man)- ..can pigeon-hole or define/understand GOD (the unlimited)..or his creative genius & his love..

              ..for his ways…are beyond ours!

     the bible..alludes to such, if you care to read the ‘fine print’, therein!

              ..hence, the faith clause!!!!!


              Thus, I recommend you kick your +6000 yr. timeline preacher in the nuts/twat…& inform him/her..that your money ($$$) henceforth, going for family preps only!!!!

              ..and that your prayers..will encompass the adoption..of asking for forgiveness(daily)…and your ‘works’…focusing on helping your fellow Christian brethren..

     matter, their denomination!


              Time is short…choose wisely!

              ..then run with it!

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Hunter- Many of the Gullible will stick to their Fabled Mythology till the very end of their time. Then placed in some history book as part of the deceased statistics by the great culling. If you want to believe your religions, then go all in and forget science, Medicine, health, history, diamonds, and instead of calling 911,just grab your Bible and cram for the final.. Bahh Beep Bahh Beep that’s all Folks for you.

              • Overwatch

                Amen, Hunter! I’ve been saying for years that one of the dumbest things we do is to try and apply our finite little brains to explain the infinite. To do so diminishes Him. That being said, we have these logical minds for a reason. For instance, most dogmatic people believe that man is inherently evil because of original sin. For that reason governments, being the constructions of such flawed creatures, are inherently evil. When we dig deeper, we see that religions are a construct of man as well. For that reason, I don’t go near it. My choice, and I could be waaaay off, is to have a personal relationship with my God. I keep it to myself and I don’t bother Him with trifling bullshit. If I NEED Him, I ask for His help and then have faith that He will follow through.
                We can see evolution and adaptation in progress all around us. Just watch guppies in a fish tank to see natural selection at work. On the other hand, if you are a hardcore believer in the religion of evolution, take a hard look at a platypus.
                To you, Hunter and all of our friends here whether they agree or disagree, Merry Christmas. I hope 2015 is a prosperous year for all of you. I hope God gives us the wisdom and foresight to plan well for the alternative.

                • passinwiththewind

                  First, it is really good to see all the new comments from usually quiet folks, here on shtf-plan.

                  Hope all of you had a peaceful and satisfying Christmas Day….even the non Christians/atheists..wwti and his compadres.

                  Secondly, I also believe as Overwatch and Hunter; that, most people try and understand God and try to “box” Him in with a finite and very castrated brain function.
                  Some people add to those limitations/limited ability to function anywhere near capacity; by adding toxins and hard living to their cells.

                  God put limitations on our recall, by limiting brain functions in these flesh bodies. I remember the first time I heard that, “as humans, we only use about 10% of our brain”. As i began to understand about the three Heaven and Earth Ages/dispensations of time, I then began to understand why God put those limitations in place.

                  Since we were all created as children of God in the “first” Heaven and Earth Age and were in our “Spirit/Non-corruptable bodies, we had no reason for having limited knowledge and recall, except by the “order” of our status in that realm.
                  Satan wasn’t created as an immediate guardian of the mercy seat of God, according to what is written and as i understand it; but, thru his actions and obedience he rose to that position. Add in his good looks and obvious approval by his Maker, and he went almost as high up the ladder as the Archangels.

                  As Guardian Of the actual Throne of God, there came great power and authority. No doubt there also came more knowledge. Greater knowledge than even some archangels, possibly. And then…..

                  Along came pride and lust. Satan became so enthralled with himself, that he became jealous over the Son of God, known then as King Melchizedek, priest of the most High. It is biblical and laid out in the book of Hebrews.
                  Lucifer/satan got bored with guarding the “mercy seat”, and wanted to sit upon it as King of the Most High.

                  Then came sin and and rebellion. Next came the end of the first Heaven and earth age and the beginning of the second, whereby God chose to bring his children forth into “flesh” bodies, with very limited recall, and no remembrance of the life they had before. Hence, giving everyone, except satan/Lucifer, the opportunity to be born innocent and decide who they would follow…God their Father,the Father of Life and Light; or Satan/Lucifer, the father of sin,darkness,and death.

                  It is all in the Word, and it is all unfolding as told it would.

                  We are not born with sin, however we are born into sin. Sin being the flesh, and the flesh world. The flesh craves satisfaction and is never satisfied. it is how we deal with that “craving” and illusion of satisfaction of those desires, that determines the level of sin in our lives.

                  Then comes into play the “reason for the season”. Thru King Melchizedek/Spirit body Son of God, and His sacrifice to become born of flesh woman/ virgin Mary, as Jesus Christ, and become our redemption/way out, of sin; we are given that salvation, thru faith in the things we can’t see, except by God’s Holy Word.

                  Didn’t have to do it. But did it through His never ending love for us.

                  How can anyone not believe and say that Jesus was not real, not the Son of God, Emmanuel (in the Hebrew) which is to say….”God with us”.

                  He is, God with us and was crucified and rose from the grave on the third day, to defeat Death/the devil/satan/the father of sin.

                  Religions have muddied the waters of truth about these facts, but true Christianity has prevailed that truth that is about to be proven, once and for all time.

                  Are you prepared? The proving ground is America. See it unfold more prevalent in the coming months. Prep with a new design and desire.


                  • BJ

                    So if I understand you correctly; you’re telling me that I, or my soul, existed in the first heaven. And that the first heaven was not perfect?

                    • passinwiththewind

                      Yes BJ, you and every soul created, were in the first Heaven and Earth Age.

                      We were here on earth with the dinosaurs. We were taken away from the earth after the downfall of Satan and his deceiving away of one third of God’s children, to follow him.

                      The Archangels and cherubs are different entities, but do, and did, crossover from the dimension of Heaven into the realm of the Earth where flesh lives, as they did when the dinosaurs were alive and when man was in spirit/non corruptible bodies only. Satan was created as a beautiful cherub and was back and forth until God put him in lockdown after the temptation of Christ in the wilderness.

                      How often, or if ever, did we go back and forth from those two dimensions, as the Archangels, Christ as King Melchizedek, and God minself did; I don’t have the answer for that.

                      What I do know is that the followers of Satan that “refused”, to be born innocent, “thru” the waters/bag of waters/womb/flesh; were known as the “fallen angels”, or Nephilim. They came back to earth in their spirit bodies to seduce flesh woman, rather than be born thru her. One can read about it in the little book of Jude.

                      The Book of Enoch tells us a lot about them also. Even though it wasn’t canonized into the KJV, it can be found online, and downloaded.

                      They, the fallen ones, were able to mate with flesh woman and produced the hybrids known as giants/geborh=geber/hybrids/aka nephilim (thru ignorant teachings they are called nephilim, but actually nephilim were their male parentage).

                      Just imagine, they (the nephilim) were one of us, just like us in every way, except weaker minds. We knew what was going on in that time and age, we just have that blocked from our recall now.

                      I know it doesn’t seem possible to us in our finite minds, that such could happen, but it did.

                      It will happen again when these fallen angels/nephilim, that are now being held with satan in that Heaven/paradise dimension, are released when satan is, and they return to earth. They will be doing flesh women again, and also “strange flesh” which means homosexuality. However, there will not be enough time for those impregnations to come to full term in the “five months” alloted to Satan and his evil ones; as it was shortened by Christ, from the original 3 and 1/2 years given as their time to deceive flesh man as a final test to see who has been awake and learning from God’s Word. It is biblical and it is fabulous, and it is coming soon. Probably within this decade. If not, then people will have to endure a lot of hurt until it does.

                    • BJ

                      How can satan and his demons be in the heaven real now?
                      Bible says he is here in this world roaming like a lion seeking who he can destroy?

                      And why wouldn’t of God put him in lock down as soon as the war was over……which was way way way before Jesus was tempted three times???

                    • passinwiththewind

                      Well, BJ;

                      I see you did check back to see if I replied. That tells me you have a thirst for knowledge and truth.

                      I don’t mind trying to explain what i have come to understand, to someone that is willing to open their mind to understanding and let go of some of the doctrines of man. i base everything i learn on biblical truths and make sure those truths line up with God’s Word entirely. Otherwise I say they are “possibilities” or I just don’t know.
                      I will try to answer your questions, as i have understanding from the scriptures. Your question requires much explanation and isn’t a simple two or three sentence reply.

                      First of all; satan is an entity, a created being like everyone. He was created with the title cherub. Cherubim is plural of cherub. He is male and has genitalia like all males, including the fallen angels. he seduced Eve and deceived her with lies to cause her to willingly have sex with him. Cain was a son of Lucifer and Abel was a son of Adam, both twins by different fathers.
                      Why was Lucifer created with genitalia? We are not told. I have asked myself that question many times and the only answers i have come up with are these two. First, God has His way, and makes all things for his purpose and pleasure. i believe God made the angels with genetalia, as to have simple access to DNA. Just my guess.

                      There are other entities called Seraphim. I believe they were created for one purpose and that was to be the protectors of the throne, after Lucifer fell and deceived/drew a third of God’s children away. The Seraphim, I believe, do “not” have free will, and possibly not even souls. They are like recordings, praising God day and night saying, Holy,Holy,Holy. Thay are programmed so they can’t screw things up like satan did. I say they don’t have free will because it would be like one of us repeating day and night, “love you God, love you God”. That would not be love because it would not come out of us, freely.

                      God has an order to His creations, and there are beings that are created for certain purposes in His hierarchy of those angelic beings. It has been said that the cherubim were ranked second to the Archangels, like Michael and Gabriel. They are given “free will”. It is understood by me and others, that Lucifer, was made in the perfect pattern as beautiful male being, and had found favor from God by working himself to the highest position of all cherubim and being the “protector of the mercy seat”, Ezekiel 28:14, “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;….

                      One that covereth the Throne of God, where the Father and the Son sit, and I believe that throne comes with an energizing power, or energy, and knowledge. Even though it can’t be proven by the Word, I believe Satan abused his position and sat on the Throne when he was only supposed to protect it from other angels sitting there. That is how and why he has so much knowledge and power to deceive others. Gen 2:17 “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it”:….

                      Not an apple tree, but none other than Lucifer/satan/serpent as in one who deceives by charming it’s prey.

                      God is holding Satan and his fallen angels in that realm/dimension, we call Heaven/Paradise, for His purpose of finalizing the temptations/testings of all the living during the last days. At the beginning of the Lord’s Day/ the Millennium, God will destroy all 7000 of the fallen angels as they are gathered with Satan/Antichrist in Jerusalem, the “Abomination of the Desolator”. He is finished with His purpose of “using” them to finalize His plan. At that time, Satan, who has been playing the role of Antichrist, will be taken hold of and locked away in the bowels/pit of the earth. Even his spirit cannot escape to tempt and deceive God’s children during the Millennium.

                      Satan’s spirit and his demonic spirits of the fallen angels and Hybrid offspring, are allowed to roam the earth now. That is the evil spirit of Satan in 1Pe 5:8 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”:….

                      For every negative there is also a positive and we have the Holy Spirit if we seek it to overcome that evilness that is present. The liberals have denied the Holy spirit and therefore fell for the deceptions of the “evil” Spirit of satan and his workers, like Jezebel and the fallen ones. Once liberalized, and fallen for the pc agenda, a person can’t distinguish right from wrong. The mess the masses have gotten us into.

                      So, you see, God has a purpose for satan. He is in a partial “lockdown”, now, until Michael unleashes him and his 7000 nephilim. They may be unleashed already and are on the demonic ship called Nibiru/planet X, headed for Earth; I don’t know, when they will be here but they are coming. God will destroy Satan in the Lake of Fire, and all that follow him, after the Millennial Reign/time of teaching truths, by Christ, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

                      There will very much be an “order” of His Holy arrangement during that time. We will all be in our new spirit bodies, even the animals. Many preachers teach lies because of their ignorance about the Millennium. Many say there will still be mating/marrying and birthing/repopulating during those thousand years.
                      Wrong, it ain’t biblical. All souls that were created during the first Heaven and Earth Age, except the 7000 fallen ones, will have to be born from above,reborn into this age/ dimension; before the end. Satan, the cherubims, the Archangels, are exempt from rebirthing in flesh wombs. Just to become that embryo with an implanted soul, qualifies as being “born from above”/through the waters (not baptismal waters as some teach), bag of waters/womb.

                      All, are changed, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. That is the seventh, when Christ returns to finish the battle between good and evil. Not a third coming as the pre-trib deceived ones teach.

          • sixpack

            Sorry WWTI, but that time, all you were trying to do is goad people into an argument, so you could rub their noses in an irrelevant fact. You weren’t trying to “educate” anybody.

            I expected better, from such an intelligent, thoughtful man.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Yes Six, people need to self examine the way they think, question everything. Just trudging along doing the same thing for your entire life believing everything people spoon feed them is a path to nowhere. Still waiting for some religions person to bring forward just one soul that has earned ever lasting life. John-3:16 Been waiting for months now. Nobody can seem to bring a single person forward. Hmmmmmm…. Guess either nobody really believes… Or you all been lied to and duped. Which is it?

              • shooterbob

                Wait, is that like the religion of evolution? The whole world waits to see something evolve, yet it never happens. Evolution, a truly feeble minded fable.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  That’s right Shooterbob. Religious peoples Brains do not evolve, which explains why they are trapped in their 2000 year old mythology. A lot has happend in 2000 yrs such as education Science history biology astronomy physics archelogy geology medicine. My brain evolves everyday when I learn something new. Now if you choose not to evolve or adapt to new information then you just remain in your trapped small minded world of fantasy and mythology. Lazy people love religion. Lets them avoid education and new brain cell development called evolution.

              • Knickel

                praying for you regardless. By the way, I am one who is saved among many. God loved you enough that he gives you the free will to make a decision that he would staunchly disagree with. Even our founders knew that a nation of non-believers could not support a republican form of government, and some of the unraveling we see today is part of that loss of faith.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  For God so loved the World that he gave us wars and famine, floods and hurricanes, taxes and Ebola, pollution and pain, liars and thieves, murder and genocide, etc… but remember God Loves you, and if he could just invent his own money machine and stop begging for our money, life would be really good. Maybe you religious folks can start praying a little harder and lobby to God to fix those problems I listed above. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

          • Eagle 1

            How do you know it’s that many billion? Ultimately you have to go with carbon dating, which is a faulty system unless backed with dendrochronology (tree dating) the problem with that measurement system is you must assume a certain amount of carbon was in it in the first place- an amount that cannot be quantified. They make diamonds in labs in a couple of months now. Wouldn’t be hard for nature to do likewise in cataclysmic circumstances, such as a worldwide flood or even pressure from volcanic activity. If nothing else though, Merry Christmas and thanks for your advice on prepping, it’s very helpful.

      19. WIprepped

        Merry Christmas Mac and family, and the entire family that blesses us here with their knowledge.
        molon labe

      20. Lord Delos

        Merry Christmas everyone may it be a blessed one.

      21. GMAFB

        Same shit, new day…

      22. jpl_texas

        “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.” – Luke

        “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” – John

        “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” -Luke

        May Christmas bring you peace as you bring peace. jpl

        • nutter

          Peace to all who serve the Lord. Praise the Prince of Peace. My God bless all Good People.

      23. swapratt

        Everyone Merry Christmas because when the NEW YEAR gets here were going to be in a world of SHIT…….

      24. swampratt

        sorry last comment was from swampratt

      25. Norse Prepper

        Merry Christmas to you and Tess, also Merry Christmas to all who contribute through discussion here at SHTF.

        May you all be safe through the holiday season and accept the greatest gift that has ever been given, the baby Christ who was born to be a savior to all. It was our sins that drove the nails into the cross that day and gave us the most precious commodity ever to have been on this earth…one drop of blood from Christ.

        God Bless,

      26. Copperhead

        MERRY CHRISTMAS and to all GOOD-NIGHT!!!!

        MTCFMF!!//RIP America.

      27. Billy Hill

        Haven’t seen Eppe in a bit. So here’s one short and to the point:

        So a seal walks into a club…

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          BillyHill. I See said the blind man who picked up his hammer and saw.

      28. Focus

        Merry Christmas Mac!! I just want to say thanks to those who contribute on a daily basis. This last year has definitely been a eye opener for me. Happy Holidays Everyone!!

      29. Prepper

        I have life insurance and I’m glad it was not needed. I have health insurance and am glad our family has been generally healthy. I have auto insurance and am glad it’s been many years since the last auto incident. And I have SHTF insurance and am glad that so far the stock market is OK, the dollar is OK, martial law has not been declared, you can still get everything you need at the store, the electricity is still on (unless you live in North Korea), and there is still water coming out of the tap. Hopefully 2015 will be more of the same but if at some point it’s not, thank goodness the long time readers of this forum have SHTF insurance.

        While there is not 100% agreement on everything, the collective wisdom of all of you is extremely impressive. We keep hearing about the financial 1% but serious preppers form a different 1%. It’s entirely within the realm of possibility that our stored food, gardening supplies, water treatment know-how, and emergency medical skills may one day play a role that stretches far beyond our immediate families and this group. How many of you have heard the complaint “I would rather die than live in a world like that” if TSHTF? Someone has to keep things going and the light is shining brightly on the Prepper 1%. I’m grateful for those of you who take this seriously.

      30. markinaz

        Merry Christmas to all on this site and to ole Mac for putting up the site. I been here two years. I learned a lots of hints and tips about how to attempt to survive in the upcoming hard times. I am very grateful for all of them. Merry Christmas and may the good lord protect and guide you threw these troubling times.
        Love to hear all about Hints and tips about forming teams. I got my own ideas but love to hear yours!

      31. hammerhead

        I am so very thankful for the life i have been given and the wealth of love i have recieved .
        My heart goes out to the families of those 125+ murdered school children in the mid-east.
        They are having to struggle with such a great loss …
        I have no words.
        Say a prayer or at least give a thought to those whose shit has already hit the fan this christmas season.
        Give alittle back where ya can.
        Merry Christmas all .

      32. JRS

        Ein Gesegnete Weinachten.


        • Hunter

          Und dich ache, JRS!

          • Hunter

            ..oops..maybe “auch”!


      33. TEST

        All the best to you all for Christmas!

        BTW, for those of you who watch the NFL, a brief public service announcement:

        Here is an e-mail sent to PC shille Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins. A little off-colour, but clever!

        Dear Mr. Page: I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

        Let’s ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns. The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant
        Blacks from the 60’s alive. Gone. It’s offensive to us white folk.The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men’s lives.

        I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

        Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged. We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

        Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

        The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children. The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong message to our children. The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

        So, there you go. We need to support any legislation that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the government will likely become involved with this issue, as they should.

        As a diehard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to change the name of the Oregon State women’s athletic teams to something other than “the Beavers (especially when they play Southern California. Do we really want the Trojans sticking
        it to the Beavers???)

        I always love your articles and I generally agree with them. As for the Redskins name I would suggest they change the name to the “Foreskins” to better represent their community, paying tribute to the dick heads in Obama’s administration.

        • hammerhead

          TEST – Maybe we should change team names to “Dictators” or “Oligarchs” or maybe “NWO” .
          How bout the “fighting congressman” . LOL
          Seems much more PC to me .

        • the renegade braveheart

          TEST, I understand your points but we are ALL ‘Native Americans’ as long as we were born on American soil. The people who promote all this PC crap can go suck eggs!

          • sixpack

            Here’s something that might make some of us smile:

            The Chula Vista, California Police Department ran a forum with the local community with the topic being, “Community Policing.” One of the civilian participants posed the following question: “I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?

            From the “other side” Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humor replied:

            “First of all, let me tell you this…it’s not easy. In Chula Vista, we average one cop for every 600 people.

            Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as “patrol”) where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents.

            At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty.

            So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents.

            When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day.

            Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass.

            This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring.

            What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass.
            The tools available to us are as follow:

            PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment.

            “My neighbor is beating his wife” is a code phrase used often. This means we’ll come out and give somebody some special harassment.

            Another popular one: “There’s a guy breaking into a house.” The harassment team is then put into action.

            CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no insurance or no driver’s licenses and the like.

            It’s lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light.

            Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant on file.

            RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours to determine why they didn’t want to talk to us.

            STATUTES: When we don’t have PHONES or CARS and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called “Statutes”; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Codes, etc…They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people.

            After you read the statute, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them.

            Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there’s this book we have that says that’s not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy. It’s a really cool system that we’ve set up, and it works pretty well.
            We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it.

            Why? Because for the good citizens who pay the tab, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they
            pay us to “harass” some people.

            Next time you are in my town, give me the old “single finger wave.” That’s another one of those codes. It means, “You can’t harass me.” It’s one of our favorites.

            Hopefully sir, this has clarified to you a little bit better how we harass the good citizens of Chula Vista.


            Protests erupt after officer shot and killed armed teen near Ferguson, Mo.


            • the renegade braveheart

              Sixpack, very interesting post about Chula Vista. BTW, I read the article about the shooting in Berkley, MO. This shooting is different from Michael Brown. there is even video showing the chimp pulled a gun on the cop. That cop is definitely justified. the chimp played with fire and got burned.

              • sixpack

                Yes RBH, contrary to popular belief, not every black male who gets shot by police, was an angel on his way to church…

        • Nobama

          TEST said: “Do we really want the Trojans sticking
          it to the Beavers???”

          HaHa, loved that one, TEST! Almost spilled my wine, almost.

          I like beaver. More fun to eat than Ducks, and with fewer feathers.

          Go Beaves.

      34. rich

        BJ was it you that spent some time up hear on the YAK MT, if so how goes your search? MERRY CHRISTMAS to all on SHTF

        • BJ

          Yes it was my family and I last May/June.

          Still searching for work with in a days drive of there.

          I don’t remember talking to a rich? Did we email?

      35. Micky Bee

        “God Bless Us, Everyone!!”

        Merry Christmas to all!

      36. Secret squirrel, aka moonlitemike

        I wrote this a cpl years back and posted it here, but I think I’ll share it again.

        By Moonlitemike

        It was the night before x-mas, and the sh!t hit the fan,
        There was chaos and turmoil throughout the whole land.

        The preps were packed neatly all stacked up with care,
        And we hung out our sign that said LOOTERS BEWARE.

        We tucked in the kids and is was my turn for guard,
        That’s when i heard a strange noise in the yard.

        I ran to the window, but all i could see,
        Was dozens of goons that were running at me.

        I met them at the door with my gun in my hand,
        “I won’t go to your camp this is a free land.”

        That’s right when things started to go all to hell,
        They started advancing when I heard someone yell.

        I looked overhead, what I saw made we woozy,
        It was Santa,in his sleigh, and he was packing an Uzi.

        “Get back thugs” said Santa”this land is still free”
        “And when you fu©k with it, you fu©k with me”

        They just kept on marching, so I hit the ground,
        And I laid there and watched Santa mow them all down.

        He sat down a package and in the blink of an eye,
        He was back in his sleigh and off into the sky.

        I picked up the package, i just had to know,
        It was an AR-15, with a pretty red bow.

        So my good friends, when the sh!t hits the fan,
        Don’t forget Santa, because he is thee man…

        Merry X-MAS , and good luck, in the new year,
        Looks like we are gonna need it

        • the renegade braveheart

          That was a damned good one. I will save it.

          • Secret squirrel, aka moonlitemike

            Thank you sir, it came to me in a flood of inspiration, took like 10 minutes,lol. Fix the two spelling errors and punctuation and share it far and wide… I hate typing on tablets……..I keep thinking someday I’ll geta copy in my inbox,lol.

        • NetRanger

          Oh my!

          Laughed so hard I was wiping tears!

      37. laeagle

        To All Who Come SHTFPlan, to Mac, Tess and Family,

        We send you our best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. May the Good Lord bless and keep each and everyone of you and give each one the wisdom and the knowledge to prepare for the times ahead specifically according to each person’s needs, abilities, circumstances and location. It is my prayer that more of us will find ways to band together and help one-another when the need arises.

        We send our best wishes to all from high atop a Bald Cyprus in the Swamplands of the Atchafalaya and its many Bayou waterways! Laissez les bons temps rouler!

        Joyeux Noël!

        Louisiana Eagle

        • markinaz

          It is my prayer that more of us will find ways to band together and help one-another when the need arises.
          Much Agreed!

        • KY Mom


          I agree!

          Merry Christmas everyone!

          KY Mom

      38. East TN Marine

        Merry Christmas everybody be safe and stay alert!

      39. Jim in Va.

        Merry Xmas to all!

      40. Americanism

        If I could have a Christmas wish, I would wish we would be granted to see many more christmas’s in the future with PEACE and HAPPINESS for everyone.

        Oh yea just one more wish. Turn mr Obama into an American with love in his heart for the american people.

        Wait one more, please make mrs. Obama eat her choice of school lunches all year.

      41. Nopittypartyhere

        Merry Christmas to all, may the peace of The Lord be with you. The last 2 years I’ve been vision this site, and folks here have helped me keep perspective with the craziness in the world and my own life. I pray for peace for Christians around the world, especially those being persecuted in te name of hateful extremism.

        May you all be safe, and as Christians and children of God should, I ask you all to join me in saying a prayer for all those who dont have God in their heart today.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Nopity, Merry Christmas to you and yours. Hope you make it back to Dixie soon.

      42. Later...

        Beautiful picture.
        It feels peaceful.
        like the quiet that comes over the earth on this night.
        Enjoy some peace you all!



        Hope we are make all the way in 2015

      44. Molly Pitcher

        Mac, thanks or the wonderful gift of the website…

        If we look at the misery in the world…we don’t have it too bad, but it could be much better…however…food for thought….

        if we do what’s necessary, then do what’s possible…pretty soon we are doing the impossible…true progress (towards whatever goal)…will quietly move forward (and take this country back!)…keep on prepping…and to all, a very Merry Christmas…and the blessings of the season to all!

      45. Sgt. Dale

        Even though we don’t really know what day the Lord and Savior was born. Dec. 25Th will do.
        I went shopping with my wife today just to pick up some odds and ends.

        The people were smiling and were being very nice. I was shocked to see that no one was being a Grinch.
        It is too bad this feeling won’t last long. Please folks try to make it last as long as you can.


        Remember its not the gifts, it is the people around you.


        • the renegade braveheart

          Sarge, Merry Christmas to you and yours from braveheart.

          • Sgt. Dale

            TRBH, WWTI
            Hey Guys Merry Christmas to you and yours.

            Happy Birth day Jesus Thanks for everything,

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Sgt. Not wearing your uniform probably helped. LoL. Stay safe.


          MERRY CHRISTMAS Sgt. Dale

          And be careful out there.

        • Meathead

          Hey Sgt. Dale, Merry Christmas to you. Hope you don’t have to pull a shift today. Watch your back and stay safe.

      46. Mountain Trekker

        Merry Christmas To All, and Remember the Reason for the Season. It Ain’t Santa Claus! Jesus Christ Is Lord! Trekker Out.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          And if you dont believe in Jesus, there is always Santa Clause. Bwhayayajajajaja…..

      47. wrong

        God Bless Everyone!

        (except obama and all the other traitors in washington)

      48. Northern Reb

        Merry Christmas everyone and my you all have a safe and happy New Year. Remember there is No Retreat and No Surrender when it comes to our freedoms. All you great folks at SHTF my GOD watch over you and protect you through out the up coming year…..MERRY CRHISTMAS.

        S.T.S.F.P. N.R N.S. N. Reb…

        • the renegade braveheart

          Northern Reb, how have you been? You need to come back here more often. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

          • Northern Reb

            Merry Christmas to you and yours also.
            Been staying under the radar lately had a computer problem if you know what I mean.
            Im still here getting ready and waiting.
            Remember No Reteat No surrender. N. Reb

        • pig killer

          HO HO HO

          Drug Crazed black Gunman still on the run in Detroit.

          Car shot at, 4 Teens in a Car just hanging out and getting high, shot at 30 times, 1 teen white girl dead.

          DETROIT (WXYZ) – Police now say that the shooting that led to the death of 16-year-old Grosse Pointe teen Paige Stalker may have been an attempted robbery.

          Three of the teens – a girl and two boys – suffered non-life threatening injuries when the car they were sitting in was shot up. Officers say as many as 30 shots were fired into the car.

          The poor afro-Amerikan folks in Detroit obviously celebrate Christmas a lil’ differently than most of jewish Zog Amerika.


      49. Cellar Spider

        Merry Christmas To All!!!!!

        It’s almost time for my annual Christmas Eve reading of the Christmas Story to the family (Matthew Chapter 1 verse 18 through Matthew Chapter 2 verse 23). I hope you all join us in prayer this very special day.

        We must never forget!

        • Hunter

          Celler Arachnid—- (sorry, couldn’t resist)!

          Agreed sir!

          ..thus, this Christmas..and unto the Power-that-Be..I offer them a ballad, circa 1975-76, from the Poor-man’s Moody Blues (band)…

          —Barclay-James-Harvest— (Hymn)…

 attention to the lyrics(displayed) & especially the chorus line..

          “–don’t try to fly near GOD…you might come not come down–” -(‘cuz he’ll slam-dunk yo’ asses)-


          Here’s the link, enjoy..crank-up the volume & don the head-phones: ……..

          • Hunter

            –post script–


            Video does not exist, upon testing here!

            Hmmmmmm..what is it, they don’t want you to hear?


            Try this, if barricaded:

            ht tps://

            …remove the -space- ..of course!


            ..again, Merry Christmas

            • Cellar Spider


              Arachnid here. Great song. Thanks for the link.

        • Meathead

          Merry Christmas to you Warchild. I’ve always like your posts. Listened to the Jethro Tull link. Got off the 12 hour shift an hour ago, and am having an economy sized eggnog and brandy. Payday today and am still preppin’ away.
          Gonna listen to some more Tull songs and hopefully not get too smashoed tonite. 2 wonderful R and R days off; life is good.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Meathead,enjoy the time off with family/friends/pets(which are family!).OH,and since sober at the moment indulge,have a drink for me!

      50. sick of it all


      51. TEST

        Need a little encouragement as you fight the darkness? Here is some:

        • Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of Men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand! Men of the West!

        – Aragorn on eve of battle for Gondor, at the Black Gate or see

      52. BlackDog

        Merry Christmas, Mac, to you and yours.

        **NOTE** — to any of Mac’s readers that those two words offend, I have two other words for ya…can ya guess what they are?

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Blackdog,which words do you think folks might find offensive?Is it”to you” or “and yours”,i really am just not understanding!

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Black Dog – Stop scratching- Those who lay down with dogs get fleas.

      53. tooslowtorun

        Merry Christmas everyone, and God bless.

      54. Ass hat

        Great full for the birth of Jesus the one who died for all and gave us the truth according to his word no one is a perfect christian I know I’m not grateful to have this board to read and learn from hope everyone gets the preps they want or need and down with Obama and pelosi and the stupid Clinton’s and the rest of the democrats hope they get a flaming bag of shit on their doorstep long live god guns and the republic amen

      55. the renegade braveheart

        Merry Christmas to everyone here. EXCEPT for the trolls, communists, muslims, traitors in DC, etc.

      56. slingshot

        Merry Christmas.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          For Spanish Press 1

      57. Legion7

        Merry Christmas and thanks to all here on this site and a few others as well. I warms my heart to know that my family and my little band of preppers are not alone. Many of you are on the other side of the continent or farther, but I still feel a kinship. And a special Merry Chistmas to Renegade B! You bring ’em outta the woodwork! Never stop!

        I have been unbelievably busy so have been reading but not posting much. God and hard work have blessed me with a new job at half again more salary, with a boss who’s the best I’ve had in 26 years of working. I hope for all of you to succeed and prosper as well…

        • the renegade braveheart

          Legion7, thank you and a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

      58. durango kidd

        Merry Christmas to all (including you asswipe and you know who you are) and to all a Good Night! 🙂

        • talon1776

          That gave me a hardy chuckle…best to you safe

          • Hunter

            Love ‘im or hate ‘im…ya gotta admit, he’s always consistent!

            If nothing else..he’s earned grudging respect..among the real men, herein!

        • the renegade braveheart

          DK, Merry Christmas to you. I think you were talking about Helot and his brother YMWW. I’ll wish them Merry Christmas also.

      59. On the Path

        Merry Christmas Everyone!

        Thank you for all your contributions and keeping the site focused; I have learned a lot over the last 5 years; Mac you have done a stellar job! Remember the reason for the season and stay sharp!

      60. Ass hat

        People on this board are stiffs giving me thumbs down some of the shit I read on here is like beating a dead horse we are supposed to share thoughts and ideas come on people let’s have a sense of humor lets hope there is no blackout tonite that would suck on Christmas Day using the Dutch oven in the backyard over a fire ha ha so bust open a cold one and enjoy

      61. PWYPreach

        “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince Of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his Kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with Judgment and with Justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this” (Isaiah 9:6-7).


        “And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

        And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

        And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;

        To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

        And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

        And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

        And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

        And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

        And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

        For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

        And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

        And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,


      62. the Lone Ranger


        Can’t wait for You to RETURN, and SMASH all these evilDOERS!

        (they spy on us at this site as You know)

        MERRY Christmas, everyone and may you have a New Year filled with many blessings!

        – the Lone Ranger


          Lets not forget the spies and wish them a MERRY CHRISTMAS too.

          It sucks to work on the Holidays does it not fellows and sisters.

          To you beautiful sisters a BIG KISS put it where you want to


      63. White Fox

        Merry Christmas SHTFPlanners, and a Happy New Year to you all!


      64. REB

        Back atcha y’all!….Merry Christmas to all of you out there no matter where you are! REB

      65. This Texan Has Had Enough

        Wishing Mac and all the SHTF readers and posters a Merry Christmas and a Happy 2015! May your days be merry and bright!

      66. hillbilly SC

        Merry Christmas y’all. 🙂

        The year has past, and the winds of time have erased the fears of what might happen.

        We now look forward into a new time. A time in which something may happen. It may happen to one, or to all.

        But we continue to stand and face the uncertainty, to share, to help each other, through words or actions we continue our path that will lead us into the new year.

        New challenges and old fears will be there to meet us. Just as they were last year and the year before.

        My prayer for all, is that we are back here again next Christmas, sharing our bitches and blessings.

        To everyone… Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and may our problems be so insignificant that we can continue to share them here on Mac’s site. 🙂

      67. mikencanada

        Long long time since I posted and I figured now would be a good time. Although so many people get lost in all of the commercialization of this holiday season I would like to remind the reason we celebrate or at least from a Christian point of view. I is to remember the birth of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Time to spend with family, friends and to give. I think that this will be the last Christmas that will resemble normal that we will see. If you are not a brother or sister in the Lord at least cherish the time you have with your family and loved ones and focus on the many things we are blessed with which many of us seem to take for granted. enjoy a meal no matter how simple it may be. Enjoy the company you re with no matter what resentments you may have. Put all of that aside and give thanks for every day we have to live on this earth no matter how bleak things may seem at the time. Just remember even the poor people in western society are more wealthy than the poorest folks inmost third world countries. God Bless all of you and keep your powder dry and your heads up with your eyes wide open and learn to listen instead of talk so much. Merry and safe Christmas. And bring in the new year right. Ya’ll take care now and see ya later


        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Mike. I would like to see everybody put their religions aside and find peace with their fellow men and women. Man’s real enemy to peace are those who use religions and other political divisive issues to keep man fighting with each other. TP2B create diversity, to then use it against opposing sides, divide and conquer. We need to declare war on warmongers and all oppressors and Government Thugs. We need to divide TP2P and find their weak points. Like surround their castles and burn them down. They are Not as strong as you think. Stop paying any and all taxes, starve the beast. Avoid Banks. Crush them. Its going to take a Revolution by the masses.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            The other day, I heard a perfect example of Propaganda coming from the NY Police Dept in reference to 2 of their Cops being shot. When calling out for support against this crime. One guy says “This was an attack on the entire City of New York.” lol Seriously, it was shooting 2 cops. Like they want to make sure the entire city of NYC Take sides as if this was an attack on them too. Just like when GW Bush used to say. “They Attack us cause they hate our Freedoms” No idiot, it because your OIL Buddies are over there stealing those people’s natural resources and using our US Military to strong Arm the theft, and anybody protecting their country are now called terrorists. Pay attention when these political Hacks spout off. And what and how they are trying to FRAME the story to their advantage. How about the NY City PD stop beating the shit out of people. It was NOT an attack on the entire city of NY, just blowback cause your POS Thug COPS who like to keep harassing the public and killing them. Just my take. Read their lying scumbag lips.

      68. Darkstar

        Merry Christmas to everyone at SHTF !! I rarely post but read as much as spare time allows……so now i ask…Is Be Informed still around or am i missing something.

        Oh and gas is still high in NY…$2.73 today, but still saving and buying supplies.

        • Babycatcher55

          He’s working a mobile observatory site… . Very informative.i watch it every day….

      69. Ebeneezer Stooge

        ‘Twas The Night Before Christmas and all through the house
        Not a Rothchild was stirring cept to screw someones spouse
        The stockings were flung cross the room without care
        As prima nocta again ruled the land with despair

        The children were all huddled by a small fire
        On a cold winter street strewn with debris and mire
        And Mama in her ‘kerchief, and I in my cap
        had just settled our brains for a long winter’s nap

        When out on the roof there arose such a clatter
        I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter
        Away to the window I flew like a flash
        tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash

        The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
        gave the lustre of midday to objects below
        when, what to my wondering eyes should appear
        but a ominous sleigh drone and twelve greedy creepers

        With a smelly old driver, so shifty and quick
        I knew in a moment it must be a trick
        More rapid than eagles, his stealers they came
        and he whistled and shouted and called them by name

        Now Astor! Now Bundy!
        Now Collins, DuPont!
        illuminati has arrived to fill you with want!

        On Freeman! On Kennedy!
        On Li and Onassis!
        We ain’t gonna stop till we enslave your asses!

        On Reynolds, Rockefeller!
        On Russell, Van Duyn!
        Darth Rothschild is here to rob your behind!

        As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
        when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky
        so up to the house-top the robbers they flew,
        with our sleigh full of toys, and Darth Rothchild too.

        And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
        the prancing and pawing of each greedy hoof.
        As I drew in my head and was turning around,
        down the chimney Darth Rohtchild came with a bound.

        He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
        and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
        A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,
        and he looked like a banker opening his pack.

        His eyes–how they twinkled! His dimples, how merry!
        His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
        His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
        and the beard on his chin was as black as the coal.
        The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
        and the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath.
        He had a broad face and a little round belly,
        that shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly.

        He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
        and I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.
        A wink of his eye and a twist of his head
        soon gave me to know I had much to dread.

        He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
        emptied all the stockings, then turned like a jerk.
        And laying his finger aside of his nose,
        and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.

        He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
        And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
        But I heard him exclaim, ‘ere he drove out of sight,

        “Merry Christmas to all, the last one it just might!”

        • the renegade braveheart

          Ebeneezer, that was top-notch.

      70. Mcdave

        Thanks for the thumbs Mac, I really miss them.
        To all @ SHTFplan, Merry Christmas.
        Standing by in Big Sky.

      71. Archivist

        Merry Christmas!

        All of the presents are finally wrapped. I made most of them. One of the presents I’m giving is a hard drive full of useful files.

        • jpl_texas

          Appropriate for an “Archivist”.

      72. Borodino

        Thank you Mac for this site!
        God’s Blessing on all here. You are all held in high esteem– even the ones on “auto-ignore!” Heh, heh, heh! Merry Christmas Everyone.

      73. Tn songwriter

        Mac, Tess, and all the great bloggers, thanks for the education, The entertainment and the peace that comes from knowing there are other great American patriots all over this great country that see through the lame stream media propaganda, and govt BS! Keep prepping and praying!
        God bless, and merry Christmas
        Writer out.

      74. grandee

        And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…

        have a blessed CHRISTmas to everyone here and BI, RiverRat, and others who have moved on.

        to Iowa~ you are still in my prayers. May God still be near to you and carry you through.

        • Hunter

          Ditto Grandee– ..per Iowa..

          ..pray for him there, but for the grace of GOD..go ye..

          ..or thy offspring, ..per PC modern Amerika..

          • the renegade braveheart

            Hunter, the last time Iowa posted here he mentioned he got an apartment so it sounds like he’s back in a normal situation. I think Iowa will be just fine now. He’s a survivor.

      75. Cameraman

        Almost Christmas in SE Mich 11:08 Pm,Raining and 48…wish all a Very Merry Christmas and Whatever Happiness you’ll Find, be thankful for What we have and Bless all Who serve in Silence, and protect our Land….Merry Christmas All….

        Semper Fi

        • Hunter

          —close-out post—

          …a ‘special toast/kudos unto … “Nocturnal-warrior” ..may your Guardian overtime, covering your six!!!


      76. TEST


        In one sense, this article is good. It is hard to get upset with someone who is arguable clinically disturbed, and possibly literally insane. And Salon saw fit to print this… immediately after Rolling Stone embarrassed themselves with their fake rape story. Just classic.

        “Liberal feminist writer Valerie Tarico is prone to saying ridiculously offensive things – even in the name of political correctness – but her latest efforts may just take the cake. In the spirit of Christmas and as a peon to our modern sexually abusive times, she has penned a piece for Salon that says Christmas is all about God Raping Mary. I am sorry to say that this is no joke.

        Powerful gods and demi-gods impregnating human women—it’s a common theme in the history of religion, and it’s more than a little rapey. Though the earliest Christians had a competing story, in the Gospel of Luke, the Virgin Mary gets pregnant when the spirit of the Lord comes upon her and the power of the Most High overshadows her.
        But these encounters between beautiful young women and gods have one thing in common. None of them has freely given female consent as a part of the narrative. (Luke’s Mary assents after being not asked but told by a powerful supernatural being what is going to happen to her, “Behold the bond slave of the Lord: be it done to me . . .”) Who needs consent, freely given? If he’s a god, she’s got to want it, right? That is how the stories play out.

        Oh, but Tarico isn’t finished there. She goes on to press that the entire Bible (and many other religious writings) are full of male dominated sexual abuse, including rape, and that the Bible in particular never paints the rape of women as a bad thing. (This is just not so, but our modern culture continue to pretend it is. In fact, the Old Testament punishment for rape is DEATH for the rapist. Deuteronomy 22:25-28. The Old Testament characters even call rape an “outrageous thing.” 2 Samuel 13:12-14. Oh, and let’s not forget that rape is included EVERY SINGLE TIME the Bible speaks against sexual immorality! EVERY TIME.)

        Our modern liberal culture has a really weird infatuation with rape and sexual abuse. Though many recent studies have debunked the popular myth that sex crimes are running rampant on our campuses – the false narrative still persists.

        USA Today recently ran an article calling this fear of campus rape “the Great Campus Hoax” and the New York Times blasted the “privilege” of on-campus rape victims. Whatever the reasons, the disgusting conflagration of Christmas with Rape could only come from the pen of a liberal like Tarico and a publication like Salon. Merry Christmas to the godless and hateful left. ”

        Merry Christmas, indeed.

        Full story at

      77. TEST

        Arguably disturbed. Wish I could type… or proof read

        • the renegade braveheart

          Test, you ain’t kidding on this one. Feminists are disturbed anyway.

          • East TN Marine

            Couldn’t agree more, my brothers girlfriend is a self proclaimed feminist and she absolutely kills me. Trying to talk to her is a loosing effort. I’ve had better conversations with my dog, and he makes a hell of a lot more since than my brothers gf.

      78. Karmageddon

        merry spend a fortune and tolerate family/friends who otherwise you’ll hardly see the rest of the year unless they need something xmas.

        at least most of us can enjoy getting just a little fatter.(lol africans.)

      79. eppe

        Merry Christmas, Mac, Tess, family, and family of planners.
        We all need to thank Mac for what he created and maintains.
        We all have a voice, sometimes here is the only space to express it.
        And opinions are like…. You know the rest.
        Everyone needs to go back 1-2 years or more and read older posts, will answer many questions on prepping.
        when you go back, look at how many hits per comments are posted, it has diminished by 25-50&.
        In the last year, readership has dropped off, look at the posters who have done this drop off in this timespan.
        i will get trashed by certain posters, but as DK says “It’s in the archives”, same as the hit counts.
        Comments make this site, and some need to lighten up.
        Please everyone, go back and look, then realize where this experiment is going downhill.
        Yall have a blessed week, and be good…

        • the renegade braveheart

          Eppe, you’ll get thumbs up from me all you want. I do miss your jokes and I don’t care where they come from. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Eppe, you’ll get thumbs up from me all you want. I do miss your jokes and I don’t care where they come from. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

        • Hilldweller

          Well said, eppe… I want to thank Mac for this site. I have learned much not only from the articles, but the posts afterwards are encouraging in that I realize there is a network of people out here that want to see America survive.

          It troubles me, however, when things get off topic to the point that we begin trashing each other and our individual core values. We can all have our opinions about religion, the police, etc, but when SHTF, we are going to need each other more than we can imagine today. I have to wonder if some of these divisive posts might be why readership is down. I know there are times I don’t follow them because I know how some will react to the story.

          Again, thank you, Mac and Tess for this site. It has blessed me greatly…


        • old70

          I posted on here quite a bit four-five yrs ago under as different names, one of them was JustMe, then I was off about a month and someone started using it, then I had a couple other names that I can’t remember anyway there was a lot of info daily, anything anyone needed to know,

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          I see not a single prepping tip in your comment eppe, or a single link to anything news worthy, or anything of substance ever, just drool. I think some people dropped off this site because it turned in to a 5th grade comic site, instead of sticking to the article looking for solid info and substance. Try it sometime, actually read the article and comment on the article. Stop being lazy and using this site to cyber squat. I also think there are many new people out here looking for information and facts to help them out. Dreaming of 2 years ago, or fantasizing of what used to be, was then, The world changes and you need to adapt. Innovate or evaporate buddy.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Who,ironic you lash out at someone on holidays when the article is holiday related and actually states in quotes open discussion thread,think about it.Save your comments till the next thread and though realize this is not a popularity contest many including I appreciate Eppe’s humor in tough and potentially getting much tougher times,laughter is medicine and doesn’t require obummer care to afford or have nasty side affects like much of the pharm industries garbage!

          • eppe

            WWTI; You a legend in your own finite mind.
            I just did a check, as all here should take a few minutes to do, and on Christmas Eve for the last 3 years stats.
            12-24-2012 27096 hits – 392 comments
            12-24-2013 35260 hits – 366 comments
            12-24-2014 6710 hits – 259 comments and that is after 28 hours now.
            Remember attacking me about paying advertisers? And it all depends on hits?
            Since you and a few others have arrived, in the last year, hits have diminished by what I quoted above.
            Then you attack me about one liners, jokes, and useless comments. Taken a look at your posts where you do the exact same?
            Then you take parts and pieces of what I say and wrap them into your silly demeaning rants?
            Since you have been here posting a year, you singlehandedly have dragged this site down.
            No wonder so many have left.
            I would like to see this site back to where it was, but with you around, that will never happen.
            Then trashing my wife and daughters, what a cold hearted Grinch you are.
            You claim to know most everything of everything, but you are wrong in many arenas.
            Merry Christmas!!!!

            • DollarstoDonuts


            • Sgt. Dale

              You are correct! It is a shame. When we are here to learn and help!
              The snipers and haters have almost killed the site.
              I’ve noticed it down a lot.
              I’ve always believed if you can’t say something say nothing at all.
              Take what you sais out of context, or bring up something that has happened years ago and you have learned from it, and apologized to them. They think you have to apologize to them. I just wonder what makes them think they need to be apologized to? Who do they think they are. (self important!)
              Thanks for the friendship, and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

              • East TN Marine

                Sgt Dale and eppe, I never post but read shtfplan religiously, and I look forward to the jokes and comments from you and braveheart. You guys have taught me a lot though you don’t know that. Keep up the good work, stay alert and don’t let the trolls keep you down. We all appreciate you guys even if we don’t post.

            • PKLL


              Amen and Amen….


            • BJ

              It is a combination of things Eppe.

              The majority of posters that have showed up in the last year or so are more mainstream than what the crowd used to be here and that brings a whole slough of division and anger….deep seated anger.

              Mainstream =

              Still in political matrix and vote
              hijacked new age conservatives
              neo con war hawks
              cop supporters in denial
              Etc. etc.

              And then there are the trolls both private and publicly paid with our tax dollars. Not everyone who says something that a poster disagrees with is a troll, but that has been the ammunition lately for some….just call everyone they don’t like a troll. Or even better, call them a name that ends with a “ist” or a “ism.”

              AND all the Jew stuff has drove some away. I don’t say that in a negative way towards information shedding light on the zionism jew thing…….but the poster’s style and one trick pony repetitiveness has definitely had a negative effect.

              Just a few of my thoughts on this matter….and it is a matter that really pisses me off.

              • WWTI

                I agree BJ. Eppe is a one trick pony cut n paste joke thief. That’s it or whinning what life was like 2 yrs ago. Now there is a striking tallent. I guess when you have little knowledge of much of anything they get Jealous of those who do bring a lot of info to light here with relevant facts and links for the info. Those who want to cyber squat with Gomer and tell jokes should find a relevant website for similar small minded hicks.

          • PKLL

            WWTI: OMG, the world according to WWTI.

            I’m not sure when you appointed yourself the SHTF topic/thought police. You crack me up with your overblown opinion of yourself and your ideas. If someone does not agree with you, they are “stupid” or some other insult. Then you try to justify your arrogance by saying, “I’m just trying to get people to think.”

            What a crock….you don’t debate…you bully. You don’t exchange ideas, you dictate…then belittle.

            To be more specific: “has superficial charm, lack of emotional depth, lack of empathy, grandiose sense of self-worth, think you are more rational than others, smarter than others, manipulative….”

            That is the definition of a psychopath.

            Remember, this is the guy who told Iowa, when he called out for help and was wondering if life was still worth living….WWTI told him to go kill himself.

            So put a sock in it WWTI…


            Merry Christmas to everyone else….

            • Anonymous

              I don’t like WTTI but he IS entitled to post his opinions here as well as anybody else, whether or not if you agree with him. Nobody tells dale he can’t cry in his beer about his feelings getting hurt by people wising up to exactly what he is, do they? Nobody but braveheart tells anybody they have to leave this site, and we all know hoe effective THAT has been don’t we.

              • eppe

                WWTI is an ass, and yes has a right to speak, but to be an asshole on line, well that draws a line. You are WWTI for all we know, he does that often.
                This site has dropped in readership because of him.
                Get a real moniker, and stick with it….

                • Anonymous


                  You’re wrong. I’m NOT wtti, I’m somebody who believes in freedom of speech. You have every right to post a comment here too, but what the hell difference does a REAL moniker make? NONE as far as I can see. And you want to talk about assholes on line, that depends on who you dislike. For some of us, that list could easily include braveheart and sgt dale, but nobody has told them they have to leave have they? No, of course not. Only silly little boys think they can enforce who can or can’t stay,so you have to be REALLY careful where that LINE is drawn . As far as I’m concerned, the REAL Facists on this site are the ones who try to stifle free speech because they don’t like the poster, you know, you don’t HAVE to read his comments OR respond to them.

                  • BJ

                    “As far as I’m concerned, the REAL Facists on this site are the ones who try to stifle free speech because they don’t like the poster”

                    I could be wrong, but it appears to me that these are also the ones who accuse others the most of being those words that end with “ism” and “ist.”

                    They also appear to me to be the pones who support the state the most, who are ok with overlords and support cops with the justification that it is only a few bad apples. Yet one doesn’t even reach the level of bad apple after murdering in cold blood, a 12 year old kid because he has a toy gun in his waist band.

                    I am starting to see a pattern.

                    • Anonymous


                      Yes, it’s disturbing to see how many here will blindly lick the boot of an oppressive police state, all in the name of ” law and order”. I wonder how they’ll feel when it’s THEIR turn in the barrel or one of their own family members. They seem convinced that this could NEVER happen where they live.

              • Anonymous for those who like Facts

                Anon- Eppe just wants to be the king of his small minded soapbox talking about nothing. Then eppe lies trying to claim I attacked his family. eppe is a coward, and said would put his teenage daughter in front of him with a .22 to protect him. I posted eppe’s cowardly comment several times posted by him. eppe is just jealous that I have a lot of good knowledge on many subjects and he cannot compete with facts and knowledge. Or debate any issues. So he either runs away or goes and cries to Mac like a little whinny child, that he is a victim. All I a have ever done was tell him to try and stick to the article content of provide a link to relative info. But he could not deal with that, and just kept posting cut and paste jokes making everybody think they were his jokes. And I called him out on that. He cried like a baby. He has a very sensitive ego, and cannot debate or discuss any relevant issues unless it is in 5th grade comprehension standards. So if you check the numbers a few weeks from now this posted article may increase. That is not even close to relative content to compare numbers or from year to year. eppe should go study up on how to do a real baseline statistical analysis, instead of pulling numbers out of his ass which have no relevancy. I hope this site has had enough of crybaby thumb suckers and get back to real content with facts that can help people instead of listing to whiners like eppe.

      80. Ass hat

        These stores are cleaning us out she says to what do you want for Christmas I said nothing why she you gotta have something to open up Christmas morning I said not really I’m not a materialistic person if I really needed something I would have told her i hate to be in the stores she loves it I wanna go 1 year without it being a big deal she says I’m a party pooper I said we can have a nice dinner somewhere is that good I’m just happy to be off work for a bit with the family watch the kids open their gifts have dinner watch some tv

      81. Babycatcher55

        Merry Christmas and Happy New year to Mac, Tess, and all the crew here! Stay warm and keep prepping. This has been two of the most life changing years of my life! Thank you all!

      82. Cat Herder

        Merry Christmas to all. May your day be blessed with long life, good health.

      83. mallardhen

        Merry Christmas to all on this site as I have said in the past you all have taught me so much and with your guidance I now have the peace of mind knowing almost any situation can be handled. My husband fell just after Thanksgiving and has been bed ridden since, although I see some small signs of improvement it is going to be a long road, it is nice to know I can go to my stash and not worry is it going to be eat or get the prescription for him with my preps I don’t have to make a choice.

        Everyone have a peaceful and blessed day tomorrow and don’t forget to love one another.

        • Canada Cis $anuk

          @mallardhen….prayers go out to you and your hubby….I really hope he continues to improve….as I do know what you are going through…our family has gone through 2 yrs of HELL with hubbys’ health issues….but believe it or not, after last months surgery,he is now on the mend.

          God does work miracles!! In fact, another friend went through a HUGE health issue and surgery just one year ago, and now is ‘back in the loop’….it is just amazing with todays tech, what the medical professionals can do…of course with the help of ‘the big MAN upstairs’!! Best Wishes to you and everyone on Mac’s site. Take care, CC.

      84. buttcrackofdoom

        MERRY CHRISTMAS, MUHFUGGUHS!!!!….especially to mac.

      85. Sinner


        At Thanksgiving, after the Ferguson riots started I wrote that we were entering the 3rd. stage of a Communist takeover, as predicted by ex-KGB Col. Yuri Besmenov. Stage #3=Crisis

        This is how many Central American and a few Middle Eastern governments have fallen. i.e. Egypt and Libya.

        I said that if the protests were still raging by Christmas, there would be full blown violent uprising ending in martial law and an Obama Dictatorship by 2016.

        Obama, and his people, have been “prepping” for this Crisis, almost from the start. Which explains the Executive Orders and all of the ammo being purchased by the DHS. It also explains the Emperor’s instructions to the Communist Ferguson protesters to “Stay the Course”. They believe that this is “Their Time”!

        It’s Christmas, the violence continues to grow. According to Besmenov the U.S. population has been prepped for this since the 1970’s through the efforts of “Active Measures” run by various Communist fronts.

        The Crisis starts small but continues to grow week by week until the Government topples, just like what was done recently in the Ukraine.

        So, I wish everyone a blessed Christmas but warn that if I’m right, 2015 will be the year the SHTF for real.

        It’s coming…..

        • slingshot


          I have been awake for a little over a hour an have read the local news on the internet. Evil has not taken a break even on Christmas as Gunfire erupted early in the morning. As you stated it will continue to escalate.
          Enjoy the Peaceful times you have now.

        • BJ

          October 2015….many witnesses point to it, and I only need three.

      86. Klemens

        Presenting the new Sainsbury’s Christmas advert. Made in partnership with The Royal British Legion. Inspired by real events from 100 years ago.
        the most dangerous people in world are the bankers, who pay the politicians to make war!
        merry Christmas from Germany……….

      87. cappyjoe08527

        Merry Christmas to all the SHTF’rs Mac keep up the good work! A Healthy and Happy New Year to all

      88. MommaD

        Thanks Mac for the site and thank you. To all the posters here, been reading for a few years, but recently started commenting. I have learned a lot from all of you! God bless you all and merry Christmas !

      89. slingshot

        “The Age of Paradox”

        Interesting article on life today.

        At SGT.REPORT.

        • Chantilly Lady

          I’ll have to check that later. We are in the middle of a cyclical paradigm shift. Problem is a lot of people are in denial and get mad when you point out the fact the American Dream is collapsing. Jobs are hard to come by, etc. They get mad when you refute their claims the welfare folks dont want to work. There is always an exception and there will always be those that milk the system, but the vast majority of folks want to support themselves and theirs and have the possibility of economic mobility that comes from working. But the factory jobs, etc are gone. Point all this out and they get mad…. As I told my best friend recently- you can only help those that want to be helped and are seeking for the truth, but those in denial sure make it difficult to get the ball rolling for positive change for all. And what gripes me is that there are so many who only want to help “certain people” they deem worthy. Just got to shake my head on that one- just because today its not you who is down on their luck doesnt mean it couldnt happen tomorrow- and it dont matter what color, religion, etc you are.. Bad stuff happens and it doesnt discriminate.

      90. snowman

        As long as we remember what this day represents we will never be alone to fight the darkness.Our strength ,our kindness, our willingness to help those around us will hopefully show others the path we take is the right one to follow.Always follow your heart;for within our hearts the flame of what is right burns bright.I and my family and group wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS.We also hope that we can all look forward to a new year when sanity and a clarity of mind will take hold once again. It all begins here with you all. Thank you for giving we others who read your posts; hope.

      91. Hilldweller

        Thanks and God Bless to you, Mac, for a great site. Been on here about a year, and it is so good to know the brotherhood of preppers that ore out there. Again,thanks for so much useful info, articles, and these lug heads that comment here…(:-)

      92. NetRanger

        To all @ SHTFPlan.

        May the coming days bring you peace of mind, victory and comfort from the police state that and enveloped us.

        While we know that today is not the true day that The Saviour was born, as Sgt. Dale says, “It will do.”

        Also, welcome all you lurkers! I noticed a bunch of people posting that don’t normally comment. We value the presence of all, lurking or commenting.

        Merry Christmas!

        • NetRanger

          Ugh! iPads! “from the police state that HAS enveloped us.”

      93. wheelchairdoctor

        Merry CHRISTmas everyone!

      94. Ron Ahrens

        Twas the night before Christmas and all the COWARDLY fat ass chemically altered waddling toxic dumps were consuming their usual poisonous toxic GMO and SUGAR/HFCS loaded disgusting vile processed shit food, while sucking down their DEPRESSANT booze, so the COWARD PUSSIES could forget about the GENOCIDAL STASI CORPORATIST FASCIST POLICE STATE FEUDAL SYSTEM NIGHTMARE the brain dead dumbed down COWARD PUSSIES SLAVES live in. The children of the brain dead dumbed down COWARD PUSSIES in the complete shithole of collapsing Murica will spit, piss, and shit on the graves of their COWARD FASCIST BOOT LICKING PUSSY PARENTS…they will curse the names of the boot licking COWARD pussies of collapsing Murica, they will deny they were even born to the fascist boot licking COWARDLY trash of collapsing Murica….Merry Christmas COWARD PUSSIES and welcome to fascist Germany circa 1930’s

      95. dirtygreek

        Hot damn merikans turned JC’s birthday into a moneychanger’s dream!
        Y’all beware of the unspiritual ongoings of this time of year,I refuse to go buy people crap and go look for deals at Walfart!
        This year I was invited to a friend’s place for dinner,the adults got each other a whole buncha nothing(as it should be),I got the 3 kids an ounce of silver each. The parents were in awe of my gifts to their kids. The kids automatically started asking questions,they actually stopped playing with their toys and it was an enjoyable conversation 🙂
        Their other present was a surprise visit from ‘Mr fluffy bunny’,I have a pet rabbit which I brought along with me to dinner. The kids went nuts trying to feed him and pet him. Im sure it was an Xmas they will never forget,and all it took was some silver(that isnt taxable so my governmint dont get a chance to bleed me dry,and I didnt have to act like a sheep clamoring to get a stupid useless toy/present at a stupid shopping mall) and a rabbit.
        Y’all beware of keepin JC’s B-day a day of gratitude and good spirit,and not an excuse ta let greed and envy inta yer lives!

      96. Ass hat

        The dream is collapsing for sure I’m fortunate to have a good job by today’s standards but we’ve taken a hit too still able to pay the bills and save $ but not like I used to have all the preps i need for now a wood stove would be something to get this is the most expensive thing I need to be independent but has to be installed by the pros it will be around 5000$ I have other heat sources for now but ya afraid the dream is slipping away it is sad it s happening slowly no raises for 2 years a 15 percent pay equity ( pay cut ) what’s next no time and a half and pay for medical insurance ya it’s like a log rotting in the woods eventually it melts away completely the worker is definetly under attack and the unions don’t care the might of them is diminishing for sure seems skilled workers are just as poor as unskilled help pretty soon will have to decide if I wanna work risking injuries an a daily basis or go on the dole get everything subsidized and hustle on the side for tax free $ this is the facts as I see it why work if your the same as those who do not but as Obama says that’s fair and equal scary thing is who will do all the work no one or will gov force us to work where they want us this is America not the Soviet Union saw the writing on the wall 20 years ago now we have the immigrants coming in here and undermining wages Jose lives with his whole extended family I live with my wife and our kids in a 1 family house how can I compete with that his whole family can work for less pool their money and pay the bills easily I’m the sole bread winner in this house our way of life is under attack people saving to retire in not looking that good for our kids probably not gonna happen I’m not against immigration but the illegals have to go they work under the table pay no taxes draw from programs if I were the pres I would fine any business for hiring illegals they will not be able to survive here and will go home if they wanna come back they will have to do it right the gov should be looking out for taxpayers not people who don’t belong here no licenses no job no voting rights this is fair in my opinion. I know others will disagree and that’s fine they are winning the battle anyway me I can’t stand the democrats I blame them for all of this the most repubs are no better they want the cheap help seems we can’t win this is how i see it I’m a straight up guy and I tell it how it is will not sugar coat it for anyone so keep watching the voice and other stupid shows and forget our way of life is under attack hell it’ll all go away right you’ll get that raise and bonus oh and another week vacation Monday all without a fight wake up we need another jimmy Hoffa to step up for labor and restore our dignity there are no takers for this position who’s gonna put their neck on the line for a bunch of workers and their family’s dont wanna say its hopeless but don’t see any prospects real leaders that are willing to sacrifice and cannot be bought and will stick to the agenda even through death threats it will take a lot of balls and brains and support to turn this around until then keep your pecker hard and your powder dry the stupid fear mongering got everyone scared stand up now for yourselves push back give your work a hard time make their job so hard that they will quit and keep doing it till they get real leadership vote out your union reps till you get people that are right this is my struggle and yours there will need to be violence look back in the history of the labor movement this is unfortunate but true doubtfull this will happen with all these feminine men they are calling our bluff and winning keep believing the lies till you go to work on a Monday and find the gate locked

      97. Woogie

        For those with love ones they lost, during this Christmas season.

        My dear mom used to tell me when I lost a beloved dog, to give love and hugs to my other dogs who were left like it was the one who left us.

        When Jesus left us to go to the Father, he expected the same of us. Mom had passed away last year, so I give love and hugs to everyone as it was mom’s wish for me to do to ease the pain of a loss, and what Christ would have us do for one another. So ♥ and (( )) to everyone have a Merry Christmas and a Prepared Happy New Year!

        • grandee

          thanks for the hug Woogie ! my brother and i are going out to mom and dad’s grave in a bit.

          I know you miss your mom.

      98. Ass hat

        Just because you are a christian doesn’t mean you have to be a pushover

      99. Ass hat

        Had to put my dog down back in October it was a very hard thing to do he had the cancer he was 6 human years old I felt awful to have to be the one to decide his fate but I didn’t want him to be miserable just so I could have him with me so I spent his last hour stroking his ear sand petting him I think he was comfortable I went home with a massive headache and felt like a piece of shit for a few days but I know it was the right choice for him he was a good boy I rescued him from the pound I will get another dog someday just not now and it will be a rescue too I feel this is the right thing to do dogs are the most loyal companions it’s a shame their life is short I learned a lot about compassion from having the dog I wouldn’t say I have a stone heart but I do come off as not being too compassionate never leave on bad terms with people you love you may not see them again you don’t want the last thing you said to them to be your an asshole or something like that the dog will be sorely missed

        • grandee

          i have had to decide for mine too. they were all rescues. only one needed to be let go early.

          they leave a gaping hole in your soul when they leave.

          the one i have now is old and blind, but still young at heart.

          • GrandpaSpeaks

            “If dogs don’t go to heaven, I want to go where they go”.
            Will Rogers.
            I have experienced that gaping hole Grandee, it can only be filled by getting another one. My favorite passed the same way AH, same age, my condolences.
            “If I could only be the person my dog thinks I am” Woof.

      100. Green Tomato

        Merry Christmas to all! (& keep your powder dry.)

      101. Scout

        Merry Christmas to all.

        May we find more of what we have in common than that which divides us, and UNITE in 2015 and beyond, for the good of us all.

      102. Mountain

        God Bless you all, and a Merry Christmas.

      103. Ass hat

        Just remembered a while back or so I was looking online at gear n stuff and stumbled on to maine military surplus site was looking through stuff and came upon these military sand bags thought to myself if shit got realy ugly these would great to have these things will stop rifle rounds and you could build a fortress out of them plus use them for flood control I never picked them up I just couldn’t find a use for them at my place but wanted to put it out there for others they are pretty cheap as far as I can see they are od green these are the heavy duty bags you could fortify your place put a fallout shelter in your basement or whatever no I don’t work for maine military I was looking at an atlas safe room but big bucks this would kick ass for people with a lot of guns to me these things are end of the world things I will get the wood stove instead I feel it has more bang for the buck but the sand bags are cheap and you could put them up for if you may need them you could trade them easily if shtf need to strike the right balance of self reliant homestead and survival I don’t put much emphasis on firearms I have a reasonable battery but figure once you have your bases covered why buy another gun people think they need all these guns that’s fine but they have no other preps or knowledge they say things like they don’t need to prep they will just take what they want from others this is stupid

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Ass Hat. Go to Sandbags .40cents ea in OD Green. Pick up an hundred. Hey YTube has some great vids on “SandBag Ballistics”. Will stop most any round up to a .50 cal. You can easily pack a few dozen sandbags for your bug out bag. When you get to a location dig out a shallow fox hole and fill the bags, and add a camo tarp and leaves for a roof. When it is time to move on empty the sand bags, stuff them in your pack and move to the next location. I sent my nephew a half dozen. He said also good for a rifle rest when shooting. Cover and concealment. You can also use the bags to haul gear in as well. Lots of uses.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Ass Hat. Go to Sandbags .40cents ea in OD Green. Pick up an hundred. Hey YTube has some great vids on “SandBag Ballistics”. Will stop most any round up to a .50 cal. You can easily pack a few dozen sandbags for your bug out bag. When you get to a location dig out a shallow fox hole and fill the bags, and add a camo tarp and leaves for a roof. When it is time to move on empty the sand bags, stuff them in your pack and move to the next location. I sent my nephew a half dozen. He said also good for a rifle rest when shooting. Cover and concealment. You can also use the bags to haul gear in as well. Lots of uses.

      104. Ed

        Gotta admit my first thought from the picture was Aliens.

      105. Sierra Dave

        Merry Messiah Mass

      106. Miss DeeDee

        Merry Christmas to Mac, Tessa and family.
        Merry Christmas to the great crew at SHTFPlan.
        Merry Christmas to all the Good folks here.
        I thank you all once again for all I have learned and
        enjoyed from this site.
        — The Christmas service this morning was standing room only.
        I could see love in the eyes of everyone.
        — Just as important I could feel the sense of awareness.
        As BI and Eppe have said in the past
        ” We are in interesting times ”
        — Take Care,
        — Love to All
        — Miss Dee Dee

        • the renegade braveheart

          Miss DeeDee, good to see you back. Hope your Christmas went well.

          • Miss DeeDee

            Thank You and best wishes to you and all your loved ones. We here in beautiful New England just dodgged another major snow storm with only heavy rain this Christmas eve/day. It’s funny how what would have disappointed me as a child now fills me with gratitude as a senior citizen. My search and research for a final relocation area within the next few years has the mid-atlantic states topping my short list. Who knows , we may be neighbors some day.
            Take Care,
            — Miss Dee Dee

        • eppe

          Miss Dee Dee;
          Glad to see you around.
          Hate to see this site going where it seems to be going.
          I would like to see this site going in a different direction, but what can one say????

          Luv you always….

          • eppe

            Miss Dee Dee, just a joke for ya, since I get reamed for posting one…

            DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT!!!
            Wanda’s dishwasher quit working so she called a repairman. Since she had to go to work the next day, she told the repairman, “I’ll leave the key under
            the mat. Fix the dishwasher, leave the bill on the counter, and I’ll mail you a check.”
            “Oh, by the way don’t worry about my bulldog. He won’t bother you. But, whatever you do, do NOT, under ANY circumstances, talk to my parrot!” “I REPEAT, DO NOT TALK TO MY PARROT!!!”
            When the repairman arrived at Wanda’s apartment the following day, he discovered the biggest, meanest looking bulldog he has ever seen. But, just as she had said, the dog just lay there on the carpet watching the repairman go about his work.
            The parrot, however, drove him nuts the whole time with his incessant yelling, cursing and name calling. Finally the repairman couldn’t contain himself any longer and yelled, “Shut up, you stupid, ugly bird!” To which the parrot replied, “Get him, Spike”

            • the renegade braveheart

              Now THAT is the Eppe I know and admire. Another good one. Keep them coming.

              • eppe

                Brave, one day we will meet up, and hopefully before TSHTF…
                Watch out for WWTI, HE WILL LIE AND BACKSTAB YOU.
                Be good…

                • recon

                  chantilly lace and a pretty face, but the mirror reflects the same

                • Anonymous for those who like Facts

                  What a crybaby eppe coward.

            • PKLL

              Eppe: LOL…


            • BJ

              Thanks….LoL 🙂

          • Miss DeeDee

            Thank you for your nice reply. I while back when the fiasco involving the overload of this site with red thumbs, I commented that all of Mac’s attempt to deliver an uncensored forum could eventually fall. Not to the trolls or to the government regulations but to the excessive hate speach constantly submitted. I somewhat decided to step back and consentrate on my personal preparedness. I did not want to fall again to letting myself get so upset that someone the likes of Sybil could ruin my day. I still search this site for helpfull information but usually a day or two after publication. Therefore rarely leaving a comment. I allways enjoy your input. Your jokes crack me up but your serious comments are great also. Please keep them both flowing. This site is the first place I ever visited in my attempt to further my knowledge of what to be prepared for if the SHTF. I have never regretted it and I consider Mac and all the Good Folk here family.
            Take Care,
            — Miss Dee Dee

            • PKLL

              Miss DD and Eppe:

              That’s why I left too…very little in the way of help anymore. Just haters. I have to say that “they” are very good at being divisive, have successfully infiltrated and seem to be in the process of trying to destroy SHTF. Mac’s site must have been really making a difference. I know it did for me.

              I keep asking where did most go….but no one will answer. Maybe because the haters will just go there if it’s posted. IDK….


              • admin

                PKLL, thanks for your comments here. In recent weeks we have begun the process of booting users (and their comments) who have no other purpose than to berate others. Free speech I am all for – it’s a fundamental reason for why this web site is here to begin with. But, as you noted, there are those out there whose sole purpose is to destroy, especially as it relates to communities like ours.

                We’re on it – and please bear with us – tons of such comments come in on a daily basis. I love the idea of an open forum – I really do – the problem is that a small percentage of our society is exactly that, haters. They hate everyone, especially themselves, and the only way to make themselves feel better is to project that anger onto others. That, and as others have mentioned before, it is quite possible that certain organizations want to create division and they have taken to cyberspace to do so under the guise of ‘regular readers’ and community members.

                Again, we’re trying, and I thank all of you for your patience.



                • PKLL

                  Thanks for that Mac….I love this place. I just can’t stand how ugly things have gotten. As someone said a while back…if we can’t even get along on-line, then how are we going to help each other under terrible/stressful conditions?


                  • eppe

                    PKLL; it is an addiction, is it not?
                    It only takes a few to screw a site up.
                    Thanks for the post above.
                    Hope for the best, prepare for the worst….
                    Luv you lady, and all the great gals who post here, it gives a new insight to us jerk guys, and how we think…
                    And we need that…

                    • PKLL

                      Eppe: If you ever see this…so many here are not jerk guys….you being one. Mac’s site has been infiltrated with evil. No worries….we who read and mostly don’t post know who the good guys are….God be with you and yours…we are going to need it.


      107. Rockmanr

        To all loyal Americans Illegitamata non carborendum {Dont let the bastards wear you down}

      108. southside

        Careful driving Johnny Law collecting revenue

      109. Archivist

        There was gunfire in my neighborhood today. It’s good to live in the South where everyone can try out their Christmas presents.

        • Babycatcher55

          Our neighborhood too! 🙂 I feel safer!

          • t-zulu

            Here to in rural KY sounds like Bosnia back in the day but these peeps are golden, always feel like someone has your six close knit dead end road

      110. Rex Peterson

        Its 35 degrees here in east central MN. Kind of a brown Christmas this year. Thats O.K. Its been nice having all the kids home together for once. Some believe that this could be our last Christmas. Maybe next year we will be having Christmas with Jesus, for some of us. His Spirit has been here in my house today, and it has been a comfort. After the 1st of the year things could start getting serious. The 24th, yesterday, the U.N. small arms treaty goes into effect. I hope that people start taking stuff more serious as things around us start to fall apart.Will we all be Wolverines or sheep. When things start to be seen by everyone, then it should be easier to explain to the sheeple what is now happening. Its been really hard to tell people what could be coming. They can’t see it , so in their mind it doesn’t exist. Now should be when we start drawing closer to Jesus. I sure need to. I’m as ready as I guess I could be. I’ll see how I fair with my MS and my wheel chair. I hope that everyone here has a Wonderful Christmas. Keep your ammo dry. May the Lord Bless all of you. Happy Birthday, Jesus, Rex

      111. Jon

        Re: The heading picture

        Is it a Christmas Star OR Police Helicopter?

        It would seem, in the interest of not offending Islam, that the former is increasingly likely to attract the latter.

        • TEST

          Given the deification of the state by the left, they would probably swap the star announcing the saviour for the headlights of a Stalinist helicopter in a heartbeat.

      112. vtfree2

        A gift for those who haven’t read this, reminder for those that have.

        John Hancock was an extremely wealthy Boston merchant who had made his fortune as a military contractor during King George’s War (1739-1747). In 1748, Hancock engineered a merciless devaluation of Massachusetts currency as a cure to inflation, which reduced huge numbers of workers to poverty. Alexander Hamilton grew rich through his father-in-law’s connections. James Madison created a large fortune with his vast slave plantations. The top 10 percent of the white male leaders in America owned half the wealth and held as slaves one-seventh of the country’s people.

        Some interesting history: A short leason

        ht tp://


      113. Ass hat

        Was reading someone’s post on here about the stones had that shit sux bad 2times for me not drinking soda is damn good advise more water it’s the best thing it does get boring to drink but is better than soda that shit has al kinds of junk in it i still have but try to limit it I’m no expert on medical matters in fact my knowledge is pretty much non existent however I am not stupid and know my body and what makes me feel like shit I do not get flu shots and try to stay out of the doctors they give you pharmaceutical chemicals with nasty side effects this is not a natural way of treating ailments that being said sometimes you need them I am not on any meds I don’t like them I try to stay healthy as possible I think a lot of problems start in your mouth with your teeth keep your teeth in good shape if you need fillings or root canals or crowns stuff like this do it IMHO it’s worth every penny forget bout fake white ass teeth you want a healthy mouth I had my appendix out in 2008 one afternoon I was at home started having abdominal pain and heartburn like i ate a hot coal curled up on the bed I waited a while quite a while I decided something was broken inside me and needed to go to hospital they took me in right away did an abdominal scan and said my appendix was perforated and leaking and I needed emergency surgery right away I was in bad shape so they brought me down to pre op did the surgery don’t know how long was in a fog woke up with a tube in my nose going to my stomach they kept me in the hospital for a week they said I had an abscess on my bowel and they wanted to make sure I could shit I have a 6inch scar from the bottom of my belly button down had to give myself Iv for a week antibiotics perkisetts dilaudid the surgeon said I’m lucky to be alive the worst appendix case of the year I have no problems after all that I live a normal drug free life with no problems medically now listen to your body people i will never give up trying to survive my father in law passed away same night this was the most misery I have been through in my life I’m not trying to be a tough guy or any thing like that people are scared to go to the dentist that is a cake walk compared to what I’ve been through I will not lie I was fucking scared to death I was gonna die but you will be surprised the shit you can tolerate be brave and have people pray for you god loves his children i never went to papas funeral saw my wife once that week she had to handle her dad’s funeral 8-8-08 is a date I will never forget broke a bone in my foot once had a heavy stone fall on it felt like someone drove a nail in it my foot swelled up like a football had to loosen up the laces and finished up the day at work went home iced it up all night woke next morn whole top of foot was bruised and swollen I said shit I gotta get this X-ray to make sure it will heal right doc said get a cane and try not to walk on it for a while so bone will set said fuck the cane shit went back to work Monday what are you gonna do stay home and do nothing my boss said are you ok said ya limping he says you like to work like that it healed fine no foot pain I was concerned about that being a long term side effect of the injury enough about medical issues my point expect shtf to be painful like I said not trying to be tough guy but don’t be soft like a little girl I know some women that are very strong and still beautiful to me this is attractive not some bird trying to assert power over men that is not sexy they are not a man guys need to harden up and take man responsibility seriously you will feel stronger of heart now a days society tries to destroy men to make men feminine and weak this is wrong men have the lead role and women have their place being strong moms and supporting their husband this is normal not Sally has two daddy’s i do not hate gay people but it is not natural the way it should be when shtf happens you will see if the best comes out you will either rise to the occasion or you will sink in despair it’s your choice get the things you need to deal with any problems on your own try to learn all you can sort out any confidence issues now I’m not here to put any one down I want to see people survive the gear is cool I got it too but this will not take the place of determination guts and sheer will just like all that without gear won’t work either just saw who who’d da thunk it’s response about the sand bags thanks brother for the info 40 c is pretty cheap to stop a 50 cal might get some to sit on to build some fighting positions around the area I don’t know done a recon around here and ther are some nice spots for this even if I don’t use these positions someone else can for 40 c a piece not much to lose prepping should be cheap this will make a huge difference use for flood control too multi use sharing ideas is free but I do like mil surp gear not the cheap stuff Rothco makes but us gov issue stuff this shit is tough as nails and it’s field tested and cheap got a guy in my area he been around since I was a kid he’s not some guy that showed up over nite he’s been doing this since Vietnam ended he has the best around all authentic stuff I don’t really go in there that much it’s been a year or so I feel that I have enough gear I take it out and use it sometimes just to stay comfortable with it it’s rock solid I got it all over several years I see something I grab it yard sales sometimes just driving by see something stop the car grab it found an old hand drill not the gear one that looks like a hand blender the heavy duty one for the wood boring bits wife says I’m like an old man looking at this stuff I say whatever honey files are good to for sharpening ax lawn mower blades machetes you gotta keep up your blades get some cheap 30 wt oil put it in an oil can on the shelf in the shed coat your outdoor tools liberally and they won’t rust at all just wipe em down use them put more oil on them before you put them away never be in a hurry to get stuff it ll be there I got a fiskars x27 splitter I like it made in Norway or something like that it’s a nice tool for fire wood splitting the handle is indestructible plastic not kidding beat the shit out of it looks like new cost like 45 bucks not too heavy you won’t get tired using it oil it good to go someone we know her husband passed and she was moving she was gonna throw his tools away not kidding I did take some but not all as felt they weren’t all usefull to me got a good quality post hole digger good for fence poles a heavy long pry bar a few other things I forgot about a come along I think these things are all good manual tools that can make life easier get some bailing wire some chicken wire and you can make animal traps to catch the vermin trying to destroy your garden you can eat them too buy a cheap sump pump this can be useful bringing water from nearby sources use an rv battery solar panel and inverter to run it get an old 55 gal drum and poke holes in it and burn your trash in it reuse what u can first I would like to get that bag sealing machine for food saw it on sale for 79 $ at Wally’s the ziplock one someday will get it bought a Dutch oven a while back for 40 $ use it right in the fire just put coals on top of it cast iron tuff as hell heavy too lasts long after your dead i like the Dutch make big meals for the fam in it grab some homer buckets 3$ apiece brand new clean not some old used up shit from som restaurant that smells like pickles use the old ones in the garden I mean you want to live as civilized as possible dig a deep pit to shit in cover with fire ash this is things all will need to do you want sanitation to be priority put someone competent in charge of this doing laundry burning trash and latrine upkeep ya it blows so take turns doing it if disease breaks out your fucked it’s game over it’s not as cool to talk about as guns but I would rather face reality this is what shtf can be people contributing and helping each other not murdering each other for a carrot lets hope we can leav the guns in the safe and not go this route but if we must I will turn on ugly like a light switch if people can be civil we loan tools and stuff to each other some things are not for loan like water filters guns shit like that but I have no problem loaning a come along to my neibor so he can close a hole in his chain link fence if he wants to loan his pick ax to me to dig a latrine or whatever but don’t ask to borrow something my family really needs be understanding of each other and don’t resent me for not loaning the water filter you should’ve picked 1 up long ago oh and if you break someone’s tool make it right give them something comparable that will keep their dignity intact they won’t feel burned if someone doesn’t want to loan out tools that’s fine don’t loan them any of yours just watch them try to close the fence while you use the come along to skid a log ha ha ha some people suk they wanna do it solo fine they won’t last these people should be watched closely as they may become desperate and do something drastic

        • eppe

          Ass Hat:
          Got to say, PLEASE add puncuation and gaps when you post.
          It is hard to read. You have much to say, but reading you is rough to do. And please say what you NEED to say in a minimun of words. If you have to, use Word program to type what you need to say, and work it to get a readable post then copy and post. Just saying….
          No Harm?

      114. FUBAR

        Happy birthday Jesus.

      115. Tarheelbilly

        Hope everyone had a safe and blessed Christmas.

      116. Ass hat

        Some one was talking about the ruger 22s pistols I don’t have a 22 pistol they are sweet though I was never a ruger fanboy till I went to the gun shop and picked up an lcr I didn’t leave without buying one grabbed a 357 mag lcr cost over 500$ this thing has a newly designed fire control the trigger is smooth as butter and breaks clean I can go on about it but the quality is the bomb it’s like a fuckin hand cannon comes with hogue grips people say it’s a hand full i call bullshit it’s perfect the muzzle flash is crazy look out bad guys heavyduty shit this thing is I got the 357 cause can use 38 too more $ but blackened stainless not aluminum frame weighs couple grams more so what when you shoot it it feels great cake to care for love it I’m new to revolvers smiths are sweet to but like the ruger better this is good American iron I can see why people love them I know our gun preferences are diff I love em all got a glock I know it’s a good piece but I don’t love it take the ruger over it I know 5 shot ruger over glock with high cap mags I figure be a better shooter need less rounds maybe I’m not a glock fan I never loved the glock thinking of selling it and getting a better quality auto like a sig or hk I want guns that are sweet not cheap feeling mass produced melted milk jugs packed into a gun I mean it’s 100percent reliable I know why I don’t really like it it feels cheap kinda like a throwaway car they are not cheap either they should be got mine for 365 $ used it mint gen 3 over 500$ new your better off dropping 300 more for a fine 1911 or something nice I really don’t understand what the rage with them is I don’t really talk about guns hardly but just felt like it tonite the glocks are like the Hollywood gun or something it’s shit I can shoot the double action ruger through the pocket without revealing it that to me blows away high cap shit it’s so small easy to conceal you could walk up to bad guy with a smile and say let’s talk about it and put 1in him through your jacket pocket he won’t know what the fuck just happened everyone will see what he had for breakfast that’s scary shit not doing that with no glock I don’t want a gun battle I want to live sorry glock fanboys last time I used the glock the slide catch would not hold open the slide on the last shot I said what a piece of shit then was looking to replace it the finish is cheesy to I need a pistol that works for my busy life the ruger is easy id sell the glock 22 40 cal in a heart beat just to get my money back don’t think will ever buy glock again cops can have them if that’s what they like worth 300$ to me tops enough glock bashing for now I go to the range to shoot once a month or so but I go up to the brother in laws farm much better than the range it’s like a hangout for teens renting guns I don’t really enjoy the range but I go to stay sharp with my skills bunch of ar15 fans there fuckin snobs maybe I’m old fashioned I don’t know started shooting when I was kid BB guns 22 shit like that moved up to bolt guns shotguns long guns then went to pistols just don’t get all the histeria with it all to me it’s no big deal to those new to guns it’s like they discovered sliced bread kind of silly really makes me wonder if they can handle it it’s their right so be it these gun stores are so eager to sell a gun the store is packed with people it just destroys the whole appreciation of gun ownership makes it less enjoyable ammo prices marked up through the roof people payin like 60$ for 375 cci mini mags that’s rape and they are happy to everything that goes mainstream gets pillaged I mean it look at dunkin donuts it used to be cheap good coffee $1.20 for a medium then steadily rose to $2.25 for a medium longer lines the girls make it wrong they are hanging out with their friends giggling IMHO if you can’t make a stinking coffee right how they gonna do a real job see what I mean people say it’s just coffee it’s no big deal but it goes beyond that they don’t try to do it right to them it’s weed money I just never operated like this I know shit happens people make mistakes but I think it really is a lack of caring I would have tried to be the best at it nowadays I come home from work and stay here my house is cozy wife says wanna come with me to the store I say I got a few things to do here I just don’t have a reason to be out there galavanting like to read shtf plan threads watch tv work on garden projects I can do here at home stuff like that don’t like crowds of people waiting in the herd to spend $ seems they got us herded like sheep you are not an individual you are a sheep to serve corporations profit margins but you can’t be a homebody I mean really when you leave your house signs are hitting you in the face to buy shit you don’t need right whatever you can’t buy a pack of t shirts and pay cash they want your zip code they call your house at dinner time that shit is rude they know your home I tell em to take me off the call list they still call they are fuckin unrelenting even this website plasters ads on the sides we are slaves Christmas is a consumer holiday the stores final push for the year for profits valentines the jewelers profit birthdays just any reason to sell you shit when are consumers gonna be finally be tapped out seems their credit gets extended so they can keep consuming think about it they are using credit because they don’t have the cake and don’t wanna wait and save up for it they fall into the debt trap me if I don’t have the cash I go without I hate to owe Banks money I’m not gonna be their bitch most people are screwed 40 thousand credit card debt good luck payin that workin at dunkies fools it’s as if money keeps coming out of thin air I’m not a depressed person but people are so fuckin deluded I mean they are the sick ones but would villainize someone like me I know I’m not the only one that thinks like this I heard an ad on the radio for consumer tax relief what the hell is that you pay tax when you buy crap that is a consumer tax they mean income tax see we are consumers to them so let me get this straight I pay my taxes on time every time you do not you owe Uncle Sam 10,000$ but if you call now you can settle with them for 5’000$ so i got fucked I paid 5000$ more like I got that to give away they reward the fuckin tax cheat people but shouldn’t be pissed that’s fair how do they figure I’m not highly educated but I’m not an ass when the shtf there will masses of people in denial and banks will garnish $ out of people’s accounts that saved and went without so they could save I will not hear any bullshit lies when this happens I want my fuckin $ crooks with suits on posing as bankers I tell you I won’t be smiling scumbags my kid better not lose a fuckin crumb out of his mouth because of you

        • old70

          believe it or not, no one reads a long post, sorry

      117. Ass hat

        Sorry eppe I’m not good at texting I will try to do better ya I have a lot to say using an ipad I read you guys posts all the time I will try to share what I know with yous on the plan this is a great site . I get so pissed when I think about the idiots destroying our country and I go into rants have to put it down b4 I 4get what I want to say the fuckin traitors get me so mad I’m biting my tongue haha

      118. slingshot

        WAKE UP! Need a new thread.

        You got to move it, move it.

      119. slingshot

        On the subject of sand bags. How many do you need to give you half way descent cover? I would say about forty per emplacement. Now fill and move forty sand bags. Then figure in damp/wet sand or earth.

        You can drop a couple behind and against your doors to stop invasions into your home. Yes it is dead weight.

        Will you prefill the sands bags? It takes time to fill them and they are not stable while filling them with a shovel by one hand and the other to keep them open.

        Get into the field and fill some.

      120. slingshot

        At the GatewayPundit

        Video of Oakland Ca. Brown Protestors breaking windows along store fronts on Christmas Eve.

      121. Ass hat

        Read the dirty Greeks comment .giving the kids a piece of silver is a good gift great way to teach them to save . Better than some cheap junk . I’m sure it got them thinking about metals as $ nice . Ha I have a pet rabbit too. Well it’s my kids. We take it out of the hutch and let it hopp around the backyard kids love it think the rabbit does too this to me is what Christmas is about . I grew up poor kind of always had what I needed but not all the stupid junk kids have now if I wanted things had to get it myself. Had a paper route made like 20bucks a week. Fuckin spoiled brats these kids are today . Asking their folks for $ lazy kids learn how to earn$ sorry for the rant . Shit my mom put 3 bucks in the tank did what she had to do . Car was a piece of shit leaked oil was a sled haha memories of different times shoes was the difficult thing 3of us kids mom patched holes in our jeans nephew says he wants 200$ jeans to his dad are you kidding me could get 10pairs of wranglers at Wally’s jeans for whole family dads got a $ tree right crazy what the hells the difference . Learn to cope with the reality of being poor people . I hear ya Greek you sound like you had similar experience as me.

      122. Ass hat

        Never filled sand bags before . They are so cheap can get 100s just really thought for last ditch thing great bring them inside to fortify house walls without anyone seeing them on the outside when crisis is over dump em out in back yard I mean you don’t wanna look like a crazy person. Endless uses for the bags. Thought about barb wire it’s nasty shit you don’t want open cuts from rusty wire during shtf smart people will stay away. Think you can get it at a farm store don’t know how$ it cost . If it gets really ugly I will have booby traps and early warning devices . The ultimate special forces guide book tells you how to do these things it’s sold on amazon got mine somewhere else paid cash has some content that can be dangerous if people with wrong intentions get it but it’s not banned for sale it should be think I paid $26.95 thick like a phone book has guerrilla tactics e&e and other shit the best book out in my opinion . I like books not the ones on your ipad or kindle but a lot of them is regurgitated shit we all know allready not this book just looking at it now. It’s the ultimate guide to us special forces skills tactics techniques edited by jay McCullough the info in it is awesome not kidding get you a copy you’ll see what I mean I don’t wanna talk in detail about it some special force guys compiled all this info in here because it is the best just grab a copy and don’t tell anyone you know about it either

      123. The Prophet

        The Prophets’ forecast for 2015. First we will have winter, then spring, then summer, then fall, then we start over again. Unless, the SHTF. Then the Prophet says don’t sit around and read about it. Get up and take part in it. EEEHA!

      124. TEST


        You’ve probably heard of Vaclav Havel of Czechoslovakia and Lech Walesa of Poland, both Nobel Laureates and heroes of the Cold War who precipitated the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe a quarter-century ago.

        But how many of us know the story of Laszlo Tokes, a Protestant pastor who in December 1989 stood up to the Romanian communist despot Nicolae Ceausescu and sparked a people’s revolution that freed Romania from a tyranny the equal of the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin? In the spring of 1989, while other Soviet satellites were challenging their communist leaders, Romania remained in the iron grip of the totalitarian Ceausescu regime. Few dared to speak out against “President” Ceausescu and his Stalinist secret police, the Securitate.

        A notable exception was 37-year-old Laszlo Tokes, the assistant pastor of the Hungarian Reformed Church in the Transylvanian town of Timisoara. The theme of his sermons was simple but arresting: “We do not have to support the dictatorship and the dictator Ceausescu.” No one had dared utter such a public challenge.

        Ordered to stop preaching, Tokes refused. Directed to leave the apartment in which he and his family were living and move to a distant isolated town, he refused. In November, attackers armed with knives broke into his church apartment, but Tokes and friends fought them off. In mid-December when an eviction order was issued, members of Tokes’ congregation began a vigil outside his lodging, and a human chain formed around the block.
        By the evening of Dec. 15, 1989, the crowd had increased to several thousand, including students, Romanians as well as Hungarians, Orthodox as well as Protestants. They began singing “Wake up, O Romanian!,” a song banned in 1947 by the communists. They shouted, “Down with Ceausescu!” and “Down with Communism!”

        Two days later, on direct orders from Ceausescu, communist troops fired on a large crowd gathered in the town center of Timisoara, killing hundreds and perhaps thousands of innocents. This cowardly bloody act was the catalyst for a spontaneous people’s revolt that quickly spread across the country and to the capital city of Bucharest.

        Confident he had the backing of the populace, Ceausescu went to the main square and tried to give a speech listing the socialist “accomplishments” under his rule. To his shock and amazement, he was interrupted by jeers, boos and whistles. Unable to control the crowd, he and his wife Elena fled the city in a helicopter only to be forced down and taken prisoner by a new government. After a short trial by a special military tribunal, Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu were executed on Dec. 25, 1989.
        Today, Laszlo Tokes, the courageous pastor who brought down a dictator, continues to speak out for freedom and against totalitarianism as a member of the European Parliament and a bishop of the Reformed Church in Romania. A modern St. George, Bishop Tokes stands ready to battle any force that threatens the faith and the freedom of those whom he represents as pastor and political leader.

        So, let us give thanks in this holiday season for Havel and Walesa and Tokes, for all the men and women on both sides of the Iron Curtain — the known and the unknown — who resisted and kept on resisting the evil empire over a span of 40 years so that Marxism-Leninism would wind up where it belonged: on the ash heap of history.

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        • BJ

          An internet friend of mine (foxkitten) told me all about this a few years ago in emails, one of her two himes is in Romania and she is married to a Hungarian…it is a good story. Once she sent me some Hungarian moonshine…..nasty stuff!

      125. slingshot

        Forecast for 2015.

        Preppers will still be far behind in their survival skills. Lacking education in this arena and is compounded by insufficient tools of the trade and their use, to see them through. This self imposed learning curve will mean unnecessary harm and hardship.

        “Get Your Shit Together”

      126. southside

        Yes I know I’m late, A very merry blessed Christmas to Eppe. I wish I could meet you in person. We’d have dinner together and laugh alot. Mac: all you need do is follow your own policy listed below. Please contact me by e-mail thks.

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