Top Cyclical Forecaster: “Yes, A Mad Max Event Is Possible”

by | Oct 10, 2014 | Forecasting, Headline News, Martin Armstrong | 613 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    mad-max-road-warrior(Mad Max 2: Road Warrior ; Credit: Warner Bros. / Kennedy Miller Entertainment)

    His computer forecasts are so accurate that in 1987 he took out a full page ad weeks in advance warning Americans of the coming Savings & Loan scandal and subsequent stock market crash. He pegged the crash to the very day it happened. A couple of years later in 1989 his “intelligent” computer models screamed warning signals about the coming collapse of the Japanese stock market, which he said would drop at least 20,000 points over a ten month period. He was, once again, dead on.

    The destruction of the Russian ruble in the 1990’s, the rise and fall of the bubble, and the collapse of the U.S. economy in 2007-2008 were all verified predictions that he made well in advance of the events happening.

    His models, which are based on historical cycles dating back thousands of years and take into account everything from economic statistics and capitals flows to government regulations and daily sentiment, led to such accurate forecasts that he was accused by the U.S. government of manipulating global stock markets. It was an accusation that left him imprisoned without official charge or trial for over half a decade, presumably because he refused to give away his computer model programs to intelligence agencies.

    Whether you’ve heard of Martin Armstrong or not, his record speaks for itself. And if you have missed his insights and forecasts over the last several years (even those he wrote prior to his release from prison), it’s time you start paying attention.

    Among his current forecasts Armstrong has argued that stock markets may drop a little in the near future but the Dow Jones is likely to go as high as 30,000 points. He says real estate will continue to collapse not just for a few years to come, but decades. And he says that a major cyclical turning point will take place in the Fall of 2015 (2015.75)wherein numerous sub-cycles will converge to create a perfect storm. It’s an event that doesn’t happen often, but when it does, it often changes the very face of the planet is it relates to politics, geographic borders, and economic influence.

    Armstrong’s bottom line: Get ready for the end of the world as we have come to know it over the last several decades. Things are about to change – drastically.

    In his most recent writing Armstrong responds to a reader who asks what we should expect going forward. His answers are typically well grounded and very rarely if ever sensationalized, so when he makes an analogy like the one you’ll read below, take it as a serious heads up to what might result when governments, economies, business and political forces converge in on themselves:

    I understand that we are at a crossroads. The tree has been cut. Which way will it fall – authoritarian or democracy?

    We can make a difference. Step one is understanding what is the problem. At least then we can address a solution with some reasonable game plan.

    We have a great convergence coming. It is nothing to be afraid of and it is nothing we can ignore.

    Yes a Mad Max event is possible.

    The average person depends upon government tremendously – even those not on welfare. There are pensions and Social Security that people really believe they are “entitled” to and thus these benefits will exist. What happens when they realize they do not?

    Socialism has even changed the historic bounds of family. You had 4 to 6 kids for that was your retirement. The kids knew they had the responsibility of taking care of their parents. Today – that’s government’s job. Everything has been changed to depend upon government that never tells the truth and they will defend to the very last drop of your blood.

    Marriages were ARRANGED! The age difference was typically 25% during the 19th century. To sell movies, Hollywood turned lust into love at first sight. They painted the image of happily-ever-after. I spoke with film makers and they all said people did not want to leave a movie feeling depressed. They glorified marriage and set unrealistic standards. Consequently, the age difference collapsed and the divorce rate rose to 60%+ because of unrealistic expectations.

    Pensions began as the marriage contract. The man had to first establish himself and then propose. The Dowry was all about ensuring the wife would be secure – the pension. It was not about “love at first sight” yet according to things like Match.COM, 70% of people dating expect love-at-first-sight. So many people have the wrong expectation of marriage and are thus doomed from the start.

    Even the Black family was stronger than the white family before welfare. When you paid women not to be married and to have children, you change the family structure. Socialism has significantly altered the behavior of every race all based upon expectations of government.

    Free food changes behavior be it people or animals. Being compassionate is to be human. To give a man a free fish and you feed him for a day. Tech him how to fish and your feed him for a lifetime. Government adopted the first strategy to create dependency upon the political system.

    They tell you do not feed the bears in Yellowstone National Park because they then look for free food and no longer hunt. Humans are no different.

    What happens when government collapses and people are totally unprepared because they never thought government collapses?

    Source: Armstrong Economics via Zero Hedge

    The answer should be pretty clear. Fully one-third of the American population depends on a government subsidy or distribution of some kind. Social Security, Welfare, Unemployment Insurance, Food Stamps, you name it. One in three Americans would be living on the streets if they didn’t get their monthly check.

    Now, what happens when either that check stops coming, or prices for essential goods like food, energy, and housing inflate to such levels that monthly checks no longer cover the costs?

    This is the inherent danger that exists within the system in which we live. Socialism, as Martin Armstrong notes, is our undoing and according to Margaret Thatcher will only work until we run out of other peoples’ money.

    When that happens – and you better believe it will – America will collapse in on itself.

    A Mad Max scenario, while unlikely, is certainly possible. So much so that the U.S. government has been actively preparing for this very possibility for the last decade. They’ve simulated large-scale economic collapse scenarios, complete with stockpiles of armaments and executive doomsday orders ready to be initiated when the right crisis strikes.

    We inch closer every day. Are you prepared for it? Or do you still think the government will be there to save us when it happens?


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      1. Since everyone seems to hate this group, including me, I thought this would be appropriate… Enjoy…
        The IRS suspected a fishing boat owner wasn’t paying proper wages to his deckhand and sent an agent to investigate him.
        IRS AUDITOR: “I need a list of your employees and how much you pay them”.
        Boat Owner: “Well, there’s Clarence, my deckhand, he’s been with me for 3 years. I pay him $1,000 a week plus free room and board. Then there’s the mentally challenged guy. He works about 18 hours every day and does about 90% of the work around here. He makes about $10 per week, pays his own room and board, and I buy him a bottle of Bacardi rum and a dozen Budweisers every Saturday night so he can cope with life. He also gets to sleep with my wife occasionally”.
        IRS AUDITOR: “That’s the guy I want to talk to – the mentally challenged one”.
        Boat Owner: “That would be me. What would you like to know”?

        • Been reading about primitive lifestyles from ages ago. Some modern day writers and thinkers believe primitive lifestyles were the best for man and they lasted for tens of thousands of years. When we went from being a hunter and gatherer into more formalized agriculture and farming, our culture changed. Then came the industrial age. Our civilization was changed drastically w/in a short amount of time and were doomed. Its filled w/ greed and destruction. Aint nothing sustainable w/ our world now and technology is making everything even worse. Globalization is the end all and thats what it was designed to do. Power for the few w/ slavery for the masses.
          Armstrong is one smart dude but it dont take models to figure out what history shows us time and time again.

          Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without.
          Live simply.
          Get back to the land.
          Chop wood, carry water.
          Remember whats important.
          Give thanks to God.

          • calgagus,

            Excellent advice!

            For any newer preppers, here is a website with lots of useful information, how to get back to the land, live frugally, make things yourself, etc.


            How to Survive Hard Times

            • I would suggest that NOW is the time to consider getting to your bug out location if you have one, or at least be ready to go in a moments notice. Whatever your plan, it is time to put it into action.

              Make it your permanent home, and live in your “city” home as a temporary shelter with all energy being focused on getting out permanently as soon as possible.

              People have been asking for years, “What’s the end game?”.

              This Ebola Attack IS the beginning of the end game. You will either be killed by the virus, or by the forced vaccinations, if the banksters have their way.

              If you do not already have or get the means to make colloidal silver TODAY, you will most likely die. If you red flag this posting, it’s your life. I think there is a 3 or 4 week time frame before the true scope of the Attack is made public by the attackers, who will consistently refer to it as an outbreak or pandemic instead of what it actually is.

              The End Game being played out right in front of you NOW. The People of the United States Of America are under a biological attack by agents in the United States Government. There is no doubt about it and you should begin to accept that and plan to live through it no matter what they do.

              There will be unimaginable horror over the next several months as you watch loved ones die and hear of death tolls in the tens of millions. If only they had listened to you, right?

              The banksters know that there is only one way to disarm the American people, and that is to kill them off first. Resistance is not futile, it is the only way you will survive.

              People want to know when to act and how. Now is the time to act, and the only thing you can do is protect yourself from what is coming and be ready to see a lot of things you can’t even comprehend seeing today.

              I have been posting here a long time, and I don’t say things like this without meaning it and having ample reason to believe I am correct.

              I am sending a warning to all that this is NOT a drill or test. Those have already been done. All of the preparations have been made to kill us in the millions, and to remove any doubt about the fate of America. Billions of bullets, hundreds of thousands of coffins big enough to hold ten people each, military assets in local areas all through the country.

              What you have been prepping for is here now. Hunker down and ride out the storm. Cut electronic communications with those who refuse to cut electronic communications. Become invisible.

              Things will go down slowly at first. There needs to be enough “naturally occurring” cases in order to cover unleashing openly.

              Don’t think that because it doesn’t happen in the next two or three weeks that I am wrong. It may take 30 to 60 days to go down.

              If you don’t see me around here for a while, don’t worry. I will be safe and my family protected from the Ebola threat and whatever other virus the attack with.

              I wish you the same.

              • That is the most insane thing I have ever heard.

                • “What happens when government collapses and people are totally unprepared because they never thought government collapses?”

                  The government collapsed in the former Soviet Union, and yet the country never devolved into a “Mad Max” event!!!

                  I would argue that today, Russians have more freedoms than Americans!

                  Tell me I’m wrong!

                  USA… NSA… DHS… TSA… USA!

                  • What do you think about it all, Wrong.
                    Were we right or were we right.

                  • The same for the American and French Revolutions and the Great Depression of 1929 to WWII.

                  • @SolitaryMan:

                    I think this country has gone down the path of WRONG!

                    What do you think?

                  • yourmotherwaswrong

                    I hope to tell you, mother.
                    I’ve been on this planet for a long time now,
                    and it isn’t very hard to see this train is
                    running out of track.
                    That being said, here’s wishing you and yours
                    the best of everything and may you fair well.

                  • I’m pretty darn happy with my path…

                  • Yeah…but those revolutions didn’t have Generation Wuss, the FSA, hyper illegal invasion, a printing press, Keynesian economics, a suppressive Global Elite orchestrating in real time imposing slavery of all the masses at once, satellite surveillance, GMO, created deadly OBOLA with more to come, willing drones in our military to do their masters bidding regardless of their oath as well as LEO’s, TV, Google, HAARP, NSA and the assorted ilk of alphabet soup departments making law through regulation without our consent…and the list grows larger every moment.
                    Those revolutions were purer in passionate beliefs..this revolution will be so muddled, fractionalized, compartmentalized that it will indeed be “Mad Max” on steroids.

                    Live Free or Die…only you and your love ones matter

                  • As well you should be, Wrong.
                    Great family, Primo area, High esteem in
                    your community.
                    Happiness is a satisfied mind.

                  • Like Stolen Valor, eppe rips off another cut and past joke.

                    And he must have sat around all day ping-ing the website to see if a new article was written so he could be the first poster. Sheesh, Get your own life.

                  • Hey SolitaryMan!!!! Hows it going over there? I was in town through the summer but never had the balls to make it through all the fudge. No I’m north of there about 20 miles. I’ll be there till late spring/early summer.

                    I’ll be over in your area in a week or so. Most likely on a weekend. I’ll look ya up.

                    Things sure seem like there getting worse by the day. obola sure has control of everything though so no worries.

                    Hope all is well.

                    PS There’s a place near where I work that makes pretty good cinn. sticks. When I go by at 6:30 every day on the way to work their still warm.. Always think about ya 🙂

                  • Hey Wrong, great to hear from ya.
                    I take it you are working near fishtown.
                    My door is always open for you my friend.
                    Stop in anytime.

                  • true that, but russia, eastern europe & all the ‘stan’ countries went thru some really hard times complete with major economic dislocation & suffering. in the former yugoslavia, it ended with civil war. chechnya is still a mess from it all. russia itself today certainly has a serious problem relating to organized crime/mafya.

                    my point being, it’s not like everything was hunky-dory after communism ‘fell’ back in 1991, nor is it so today.

                    strangely enough, russia might be on the right track now while america is clearly on the wrong one. this 80s kid whose church used to pray for conversion in russia can’t help but wonder: what up with that?

                  • Joke theft is the act of performing and taking credit for comic material written by another person without their consent. This is a form of plagiarism and sometimes can be copyright infringement.[citation needed]
                    A common epithet for a joke thief is “hack”, which is derived from the term, “hackneyed” (Meaning, “over used and thus cheapened, or trite”).[1]


                    Now in eppe’s case here he is using jokes as his main purpose on this site, and offers little of any other sort of substance or fails to comment to the actual article or any other advice towards prepping. So when I called him out for his signature purpose of posting jokes, and declared him a Joke thief, he becomes very unsettled, cause he has nothing else to lean on. If eppe had contributed a lot of other good information and posts a joke here and there, well no problem, since we can all do it. But he consistently day after day uses stolen jokes as his main event or purpose, then he should be called out as a Fraud. I even asked if eppe is so funny that he post his own jokes, and he has jet to do so. So lets see if in the future eppe starts posting the source of his daily jokes or still tries to pass them off as his own material.

                    Recourse and consequences
                    There is, historically, very little legal recourse taken in cases of joke theft. Some comics, however, have chosen to exact their own justice. W. C. Fields reportedly paid fifty dollars to have a thieving comic’s legs broken.[3]


                    Soon eppe won’t have a single leg to stand on. bwhaaaaaa Yes that was my original joke.

                  • the bakken is filling with Congolese. walmart is hiring them in droves and they do everything from cooking the food in the deli to checking/stocking. when not at work they all hang out in the isles being a traffic nuisance speaking in foreign tongue. first case of this ebola/congo fever shit getting north probably be here. I am taking precautions and watching VERY closely.

                • I agree Jay, there is lots of time left for those who read and understand scripture.

                  While the next crash could occur at any time because all of the precursors are in place, an extended bear market could develop within a lower trading range as seems to be the case based upon the past week or so. I have said as much here several times since July.

                  A great expose’ at Zero Hedge about the 666 HFT manipulation, which confirms that the PTB do not yet want a Crash, but they may not be able to control events as much as they like. Any retracement of 25% or less over a few days or weeks would likely be of short duration until late Spring of next year.

                  The demographics for housing are over as I have said here for a couple years, and for those with cash it is a good time to buy a house or land at a serious discount if you are a good negotiator, understand the market, and recognize your financial strength. Knowledge is power. Get some.

                  The next Crash is just another business cycle concluding while the FED mops up the remains from the last debacle. It is NOT FINANCIAL TEOTWAWKI.

                  Can you say, “Chicken Little”? LMAO! 🙂

                  • the durango kidd says:

                    The demographics for housing are over as I have said here for a couple years.”

                    Say what???

                    You have trumpeted the “housing recovery” meme here many times within the last “couple years.”

                    And now you say: “The demographics for housing are over.”


                    You sir, are a fraud.

                  • YMWW: I have NEVER trumpeted the “housing recovery” as you say. I even warned of a second leg down in the housing market here in late 2012. And I specifically noted that the demographics for housing are over.

                    I have a thousand dollars, that’s right, 10 Franklins that I will give you if you can point to my post in the archives by comment number that contradicts my claim. Conversely will you give me a thousand dollars if I point to my comment in the archives, that confirms my claim?

                    Mac can hold the money asswipe.

                    Put you money where your mouth is. Search the archives when you find my “lie”, send Mac your money, accept my challenge, and embarrass the shit out of me if you can.

                    You sir, are a fucking liar. 🙂

                  • “The demographics for housing are over as I have said here for a couple years.”

                    Well lets look at some fundamentals

                    o !/3 of collage grads are living with their parents because they cannot afford a cheap shared APARTMENT.

                    o Obama Death Care is chopping hours to less than 30 a week

                    o 70% of many jobs are working part time.

                    o Many young people around here consider 14 bucks/hour a decent job.

                    So where is the first time buyer coming from? Without the first time buyer the housing market is DEAD.

                  • durango kidd says: “I have NEVER trumpeted the “housing recovery” as you say.”

                    For posterity I say: Bol-Fing-sheet.

                    The dude argued with me endlessly that “now” was the time to buy a house in Az and elsewhere. That time frame was 2012 or there-abouts. Anyone who bought when he said to buy, is what’s known as, a “f*cked buyer”.

                    Yeah. The dude is a police state/empire loving fraud.

              • I agree with you on this 100%, God’s Creation. However, what if you don’t have a bug out location?? I can either get an apt, stock up on food, hunker down in this hell hole (God is bereft)or leave this hell hole, find good location but not enough time to get an aprt maybe… God is more imp and this hell hole is bereft of God… APOCALYPSE is on our doorstep– that is for sure. we are headed into a pandemic and all our civil liberties gone.. what do do, what to do?! 🙁

                • Location, location, location…then work on the rest.

                  • Thanks, Dave, was thinking along the same line…

                    During past pandemics, how many people survived in cities? How many survived in mountainous/ rural areas? Like you said, “location, location, location.” 🙂

                • I said on the thread from yesterday that if I had a bugout location to go to, I would be loading the truck now.

                  If we do in fact have an Ebola epidemic in this country, waiting until the epidemic is upon us to relocate, will be too late. You’ll never make it to your location unless you can find a way around the traffic jams and check points…AND….your location is within the distance you can travel without refueling.

                  If things go bad due to Ebola, expect them to go very bad, very quickly.

                  • I would add…..I do not fear Ebola itself. I can hunker down in my house and get by just fine. Being in Texas, I would actually prefer that this occur in winter rather than summer. I don’t need electricity to heat the house.

                    My concern is two-fold…

                    1. Civil unrest

                    2. The government

                    And not necessarily in that order. My biggest concern is if the government goes house to house trying to force people into taking vaccinations. I’ve already stated, I will not comply. I would imagine it will all go downhill from there. The only hope I would have is that they will be too busy trying to quell riots and looting. I feel a little more confident about protecting my family, myself and possessions. Well aimed fire tends to discourage those who would try to take advantage of the situation.

                  • Ebola is a blip on the radar of deadly communicable diseases that run rampant through Africa. If your concerns were anything but overblown we should have stopped flying there a long time ago. I read somewhere that over 60% of deaths in Africa are from communicable disease, Ebola isn’t even a ranking contender for the most deadly there. So forgive me for not getting my panties in a wad just because the deaths are more gruesome than some of the others. Although I hazard a guess that a cholera death is no cake walk

                  • @Grey Dog

                    Statistics like that are meaningless. They are like the comparisons I’ve heard made between Ebola and seasonal flu. The line goes, “we have hundreds of thousands of cases of flu every year, and nobody gets upset about that.”

                    The problem with that line of reasoning, is that seasonal flu, or the complications arising from it, do not end up killing 50-70% of the people who are infected.

                    What other communicable disease in Africa is bringing the economy of the affected region to a virtual standstill? What other disease has people literally dying in the streets….having been turned away from the hospitals? And what other disease in Africa is killing hundreds of medical workers who are treating its victims?

                    As Mark Twain once said, “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

                    When it comes to Ebola, you would do well to compare apples to apples…and not apples and oranges.

                • hey life is ruff right now I wants everyone to know I made’s up these jokes and lent them to my master boss eppe guy so he could post them heres. So he stolen them from me kinda. woof woof..

                  • If you wudda been a cat, I would understand, but eppe has no dog, but since WWTI is fucking with everyone here, what can you expect?

                  • Wrong eppycat. I am not f-n with everybody here just calling you out for ripping other peoples jokes off trying to make everybody think you are some funny clever guy but you are just a fraud stealing other peoples work. If you truely a funny guy post your own jokes or give the source of the joke so the real funny guy gets the credit. Other wise all you are is a cut and paste identity thief. Be a man and post the source or are you just a plagergzing thief?

              • “This Ebola Attack IS the beginning of the end game. You will either be killed by the virus, or by the forced vaccinations, if the banksters have their way.”

                Yes I do believe that is the plan. Ebola may not be the Political Pandemic virus but the next one, if required, probably will be. This may be a test as so many before have been; H5N1, H1N1, SARS ect. I do believe you can protect yourself from EBOLA IF you avoid ALL NEEDLES.


                • The easiest way to stop the banking tyranny, is to change as many as possible Dollars into silver coins. Everybody has to do this! greetings from Germany

                  • Klemens, You are correct as long as we make sure the silver market not being controlled by the tribal bansksters . My grandpa used to call them the parasites and the bottom feeders and sadly and his biggest pain was the truth was reversed about his generation and the true Germans.

                  • Klemens. To get away from the Banking Tryanny is for yhe US to print our own money an immedietly abandon the worthless fiat Federal Reserve Dollar. Another words Kick the Private Fed to the curb.

              • GUN BUYING FASTER in 2014 than 2012- America is Getting Rampped up for the Government Martial Law Scam.

                NICS Checks Show Gun Purchases Strong in 2014

                Posted on October 10, 2014
                New numbers reported by the FBI suggest that Americans may be buying firearms at a slightly higher rate in 2014 than they did in 2012, following a record number of checks during the “surge” brought on by President Barack Obama’s re-election in November 2012 and his subsequent campaign for gun control.

                Because Americans bought guns at an unusually high rate in 2013, some commentators have compared the 2013 numbers to those in 2014 and on that basis claimed that gun purchases are in serious decline. However, that’s like saying that a professional football team’s offense is waning, because after racking up 30 points in the first quarter and 40 points in the second quarter, it has scored only 24 points in the first eleven minutes of the third quarter.

                Thus far in 2014, there have been 8.33 million checks for the purchase of firearms, compared to 8.29 million for the same period in 2012, and smaller numbers in previous years. These figures don’t include checks conducted for the purposes of purchase or carry permits, or several relatively uncommon categories of checks, nor do they indicate how many firearms were transferred as a result of the checks. NICS check numbers don’t indicate gun sales as accurately as firearm manufacturing and import statistics, but they are more up-to-date in general and they are updated on a monthly basis.

                Source: NRA-ILA

                • All these gun buying checks do not take into account private face to face sales/home made firearms ect.There is a lot more folks arming themselves then the govt. or any really can pin a number on.Folks also adding old school bow/crossbow/and stuff from big home supply stores,the numbers are growing daily.

              • Ummm….., there is no vaccine, taking it a bit far I’d say. I have no doubt that at some time we will have a major event that will change everything. I don’t think Ebola is it. Whatever it will be will happen so quickly that it will catch everyone off guard. We have had too much warning with Ebola, I just don’t think it is “IT”.

              • How do you know how much silver water to drink a day? I also have small children. How much should they get? Thank you.

            • K Y MOM thanks for the link. The segment on pets & livestock is very helpful. We had a large number of cattle. The price is very good. so we sold all but two and put the money into preps. now our pastures are overgrown. Im not going to bushhog . I want the place to look abandoned. I think in a shtf situation We wont be able to hide or bug out with the cows. However we could take the goats as they can survive almost anyplace. I also have lots of steel traps. My bug out bag is a pack saddle for my burro that has useful items and a little bit of food. I cashed stuff in several locations that are only accessable on foot. I think starving humans and a tyrannical govt. are a greater threat than Ebola.

            • Everyone – Get this: Eppe says Comment ID: 3243880
              October 12, 2014 at 11:04 am

              “The Sun is just a star, burning out, in time will collapse, and the Earth will expire. We will expire.”

              Oh my, the solar system is now collapsing according to eppe. So when will this happen eppe? eppe must have been in the back of the science class room telling Jokes when they discusses our solar system. eppe do you know the difference between Plants vs. Stars? So you think the Sun is a star eh? bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Here is a clue the Sun is a Planet. lol

          • Prepare yourself spiritually. This will give you strength to face whatever storm heads our way.

            Don’t give up! Whatever knowledge you have gained and items you have saved will help you and your family. It is frustrating – our money seems to buy less and less these days. Food storage doesn’t have to be fancy foods. Basic foods like dried beans, rice, oatmeal, canned vegetables & tomatoes, pasta, olive oil, etc. are least expensive and have a long shelf life.

            Everyone should have a garden. This will help in building a food stock. (Note: Container gardening works too. Fancy and expensive large containers aren’t necessary. Plants will grow in inexpensive 5 gallon containers. Just add a few holes in the bottom for drainage.)

            Search out “pick your own” farms in your area. If you can pick your own strawberries, blackberries, apples, etc. and then preserve them … you will save money.

            Get some heirloom or non-hybrid seeds. These are sold at a number of different places.

            Can or dehydrate your food. I bought a couple dehydrators at an outlet store. They are just basic models, but work fine. I like to dehydrate food, as it takes up less space. I store (and date on label) dehydrated vegetables in empty and cleaned mayonnaise jars. Remember the FIFO rule – first in, first out. (Use older food first.) I use these in making stews, soups, spaghetti sauce, etc.

            I am not an expert in this by any means. I am learning.

            “The Encyclopedia of Country Living” by Carla Emery is an excellent reference. It is the ‘original manual for living off the land & doing it yourself.’

            Thought for the Day

            Saint Theresa’s prayer:
            May today there be peace within.
            May you trust God that you are exactly where you are meant to be.
            May you not forget the infinite possibilities that are born of faith.
            May you use those gifts that you have received, and pass on the love that has been given to you.
            May you be content knowing you are a child of God.
            Let this presence settle into your bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love. It is there for each and every one of us.

            • Thanks KY,

              It has been years since I saw – or thought of – St Theresa’s prayer…it is timely here, now.

              • Sounds great, as long as I can ride my motorcycle around with my bitches on the back.

            • KY Mom: “Prepare yourself spiritually.”

              Best advice ever!

              Suppose some driver t-bones you in an intersection during a SHTF calamity event as you’re driving home to your family to bunker down. You’re dead. And your family is wondering where the heck are you. Moreover, while you did an awesome job with preps and with building skills in using your preps for the SHTF scenario that’s unfolding as you expected, spending a sizable amount of money, time, and effort to prepare, you’re dead!!

              And you’re not spiritually prepared, and your family’s not either. What then, live-for-the-life-on-earth prepper?

              Follow KY Mom’s suggestion: Prepare yourself spiritually. Trust the One who Died on the Cross and Resurrected. That’s the Prep above all preps.

              • KY Mom, There has been a lot of discussions in other forums about if the main prepper id dead or is not there, and they best answer is to create a 3 ring binder of “What If’s” and “How To’s” How to clean a gun, how to filter water, how to grow crops, how to bug out, how to can food, how to give first aid, etc. So if one person in your group is missing the rest can refer to the 3 ring binder books. It is also a great plan for every one in your group to also “CROSSTRAIN” in every aspect of your prepping, so everyone knows how to clean a gun collect water, cann food, give first aid, how to fish, hunt and trap. You are only as strong as your weakest link. Train and cross train for every aspect of your groups survival. That’s why they make FUN family weekend for. Have fun with it. Cheers!!

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt,

                  Excellent advice!

                  As I find new information, I print and save it, along with many “how to” articles and file in 3 ring binders.

                  Take care!
                  KY Mom

                  • Survivalist Tip. Pick up one of those blaze orange stocking caps that they sell for about a buck, and carry it in your backpack or daypack or belly pack and then if your out hiking and happen to get lost or turned around it will come in very handy. It gets pretty cool at night in the mountains even in the summer. If you wear a cap, you can put it on right over your cap and it will help keep you warm, and if lost it will make it much easier for Search and Rescue to find you if searching from the air. Trekker Out.

                  • MT, there may very well come a time when we might not WANT to be spotted from the air…

                    Yes, I MADE IT OUT THE OTHER SIDE! But not unscathed. Next week I find out whether this is the end of it or not.

                    They wanted to nuke me, “just in case”.

                    I OPTED OUT. Chemo is too dangerous to use it so flippantly, on something that might not even be there.

                    The long and short of this lesson for me is, obamacare is a deathtrap. The only way you’ll survive the death panels, is to get informed and get ahead of them. They WILL pigeon-hole you if you let them…don’t let them.

                    They almost killed me—ALMOST.

                  • MT Carry a Whistle. That is very profound sounding in the woods. Another trick we used to use when deer hunting in a large wooded area, and that was if there was anybody in the group that did not make it back to camp at least 20 minutes before dark time, that we would honk the car horn about 6 times, every 5 to 10 mins, so if someone was lost out there, they could start heading back in the direction of the camp. Over the years, that did use that method several times helping a few in our group find their way back in the dense forest.

                  • Hehe, yeah, I guess the OP was looking for something more like “just accept jesus and forget about this life” (which wouldn’t have been my answer either.)

            • LOL

              • Sixpack, if you don’t mind me asking, have you been diagnosed with some type of cancer?

                • Yes, RBH, thanks for asking. Advanced stage Endometrial Hyperplasia. It took me almost 3 yrs of arguing with no less than 5 idiot doctors about it.

                  It wasn’t until I almost literally “bled out” on the floor in front of them, that they got an “epiphany” and called for the test that found the problem. By then, any high school biology student with a PDR could’ve diagnosed it…

                  This surfaced a few months after the Fukishima accident, about the same time the plume officially hit our Oregon shores. I don’t know that it’s related, but they’re calling this condition “common” now.

                  All I know is, it’s going to take more than that, to get rid of me.

                  • Sixpack, you are a strong woman, look up all the natural herbs to take, and do them. We love you here, and let us know if there is anything we can do to make it better. This medical society is a joke, and the Fuckupshima just made it worse. I am praying you will come thru unscathed, and will be with us for a long time.
                    Luv you always, you are part of us….

                  • Sixpack, I’ll be praying for you. I’m not familiar with the condition or disease you have, but I still remember what chemo did to my mother the last 18 months she was alive. She was diagnosed with breast cancer at 68 and we lost her at 76. Both of her breasts were removed. She didn’t really stand a chance at her age. Nobody could ever sell me on chemotherapy being good, not after I saw it turn my mother into a shell of her former self. She was a woman who was in top health and bursting with energy. She had her own variety of skills. You’re a very strong woman, I can tell from your posts which I always enjoy reading. You hang tough. this site wouldn’t be the same without you.

                  • Sixpack..please give sodium dichloro acetate serious does cure girl has survived because of it…I can plead,beg,implore..I hope for you..and please try it..IT DOES WORK
                    Live Free or Die..but certainly not from cancer

                    • You are referring to DCA. The original studies on this, were done by the University of Southern Alberta. They asked for a grant from the government, to conduct proper human tests, but the government refused to fund it. So, they had a fund-raiser in their city, and enough was raised for that.
                      The CDC is still refusing to certify for that use, so essentilly, it is illegal to prescribe or administer.
                      Never the less, there is now a clinic in Toronto who is advertising it for the terminally ill. They have an outpatient operation, and the drug itself is very cheap. When- no if- I am diagnosed with cancer, that is one of the first things I will be looking closer at. Ya wanna come up to Canada for this treatment- you can crash on my couch. (I have to warn Ya- us Canucks party pretty hard.

                  • Sixpack,

                    Terribly sorry to hear about the diagnosis. I hope with competent medical attention it can be cured. Last year I ceased all business travel to Japan. Fukushima is still a radioactive hot zone and will remain so for the next several hundred years.

                    Birth defects and lower birth rates are already rapidly accelerating in Japan to the point where the government is encouraging Japanese couples to have more children as quickly as possible. Isn’t that just wonderful(sarcasm)? Just what Japanese need to do, expose more children to that radioactive toxic cesspool.

                    Governments are grotesquely self-serving, unscrupulous, and unconscionable. Is it any wonder why annualized Japanese household spending has plummeted by over 20% over the last few quarters?

                    Frankly I am far more worried about Americans and our exposure to the radioactive fallout than anything else.

                    Be well sixpack.

                  • Sixpack, I wish you well. Working around Boston for a medical company, I see patients with cancer daily. They seem to do very well when diagnosed early and when they stick to their prescribed regimen. That said, it seems that the most successful patients all have in common a positive mental attitude and faith in God. Stay strong. Our family will pray for you.

                  • six: I have a little experience with this. If it is not too intrusive, I have a few questions.

                    Have you ever been diagnosed with endometriosis?
                    Are you on synthetic hormones?
                    Have you researched the link between overtly estrogenic properties of chemicals, plastics, foods, etc., that your estrogen receptors are binding with?
                    Are you balancing your estrogen with BIO-IDENTICAL progesterone? Not progestin, which has side effects and is patented (man-made with changes to progesterone molecule).
                    Are you going to have a hysterectomy?

                    Sorry if you already know this stuff…I don’t know how much research you have already done into this.


                    PS: Mac, a side forum for specific topics would really be nice right about now…

                  • Sixpack,

                    Essiac tea, aloe vera gel and curcumin extract.

                  • My sister had the same thing. They removed it, wanted to do chemo and radiation which she refused. The oncologist sent registered letters saying how she was not cooperating to the obgyn and surgeon to cover his ass. She found a practitioner of Chinese medicine in N Carolina who prescribed reishi mushrooms, host defense, astragalus, etc. that can be bought a vitacost. Also betacarotene, vitamin D and calcium, I believe. Ty Bollinger wrote an awesome book “Cancer: think outside the box” I am not in health care, so don’t take this as medical advice. Ten years later my sister is still here and fine, thank God, while other people we know who had chemo and radiation are long gone, after suffering immensely. My prayers to you.

            • NWO, FASCISM, BANKERS AT IT AGAIN… (at SGT Report)… same damn thing happened in the USSR when millions died, then Greece, etc, now here in the US!!

              Ed. Note: Detroit may soon become an epicenter for ebola distribution as sanitation and health conditions deteriorate in the face of this insane bankster-induced IMF-style austerity. A metropolitan area with no water is a fiction writer’s ideal setting for a manufactured “zombie apocalypse”.]

              • As i’ve said on numerous occasions, central planning is pure evil. It sets out to enslave the masses. Which is why all hell will break loose when the system fails. And to be clear, central planning is not just a USSA problem. All the advanced economies use it.

                France is about to collapse due to socialism.

                • Roadster, It should be the responsibility and the first goal of each law abiding citizens in any and all countries on this planet to simply KILL every member and every entity that is part of the NWO criminal system. Kill them all, hang them by the trees and kill them again while they are hanged.

                  • SHAME ON YOU!!!! That’s very hard on trees; trees are our friends.

                • For decades The Government has been consolidating and centralizing government into one nice neat little package called Executive Order – NDAA. Illegal as hell.

                  • WWTI, what are you going to do about it, you sure do talk a good talk, but actions, well we all think you are full of shit. Have a blessed day…

                  • Eppe since you never offer anything but cut and paste stolen jokes, or offer any prepping advice or anything of any value to contribute to the article conversation or even ask for any advice. What you going to do when SHTF? Go steal other peoples preps or prepping plan? Can you not think for your self? Sheesh.

            • 2015.75 is the 274th day of the year….which is Oct. 1.

              The last of the Tetrad (four blood moons of 2014 and 2015, that ALL fall on God’s holidays) is Sept. 28th….just 3 (a significant number to God) days apart.

              Not predicting anything, just find it interesting and IMO likely that something major will happen world wide.

              • I hate to think it, but believe you’re onto something there. ‘the Four Blood Moons,’ and the ‘Mystery of the Schemitah’ are also soot on – I’m afraid.

                Love your God, n keep preparing.


                Son of Liberty

                • BJ and Son of..: You must be joking, you can’t be serious about some Bronze Age mythological nonsense! By the way, calendars have changed several times since these ‘so-called’ predictions/prophesies were written. Most Christian holidays were placed to coincide with the current pagan holidays of the period. Christmas being the biggest one; Luke Chp.2 says the Angels of the Lord told the shepherds living in the fields at night about the birth of Jesus. The only time they would be watching their flocks at night is when it’s warm, not when it’s freezing outside in late December, or even anywhere near winter solstice. It’s all made up stuff for the gullible and superstitious. But hey, most of you live in trailer parks and think the WWE is real, so I shouldn’t be too terribly surprised.

                  • Professor Higgins: Fail…

                  • Higgins,
                    Your post in regards to mine, makes absolutely 0 sense. I didn’t mention old or new calendars, nor did I speak of any bronze age mythological anything.
                    I’ve never lived in a trailer park and I don’t celebrate pagan christian holidays.

            • Thx KY mom. You always write good stuff

          • I agree with : technology making everything even worse”.

            About everything in the world can cut both ways for the good and the bad.., technology slices hard both ways. We can grow an abundance of food., which is great for the people of the planet., but in return our nutrients in our food is being depleted. So., how great is technology? More food we produce, the more people that is born or lives for a longer time on Earth.

            look at the technology in health equipment that helps us live longer., in which I am happy for.., but on the other hand., we live longer and place a burden on the system. Nuff said., I hope I made my unpleasant point.

          • PEOPLE, THE SITUATION DOES NOT LOOK GOOD!! I just went to Zero Hedge and Drudge Report and the news was very scary– things looking much worse. But then I went to “raconteur report”(website) and we are screwed!

            No wonder for the FEMA camps– its obvious what they have in mind, now. They have already declared Martial Law in Conn. 2 more people have ebola symptoms at LA airport (just came from Africa). CDC admits we’ll have around 1.4 M cases by Jan.. so how many by March? by May? The CDC admits it will take a year to control this outbreak of Ebola… we are headed into an Pandemic, obviously, if its going to take a year before its under control.. and the death rate doubles every 3 weeks or so… and the stock market seems to be crashing (go see at Zero hedge) and worst of all.. go and see the numbers of this thing at raconteur report… we are so screwed!!!

            • @ Anonymous ~ I just read the Drudge report.
              Can you site a link re: the Martial Law in Conn.?
              Thank you for your information.
              Do not panic, you are at a good site with a wealth
              of information. I am sure you are careful and
              a good prepper.

              • The Gov of Connecticut has AUTHORIZED the use of martial law in the even of an out break of Obola. Martial Law is not in force and effect.

                Another asshole giving himself power that he doesn’t have via Executive Order. 🙁

                • Just read the article over at Zero Hedge.
                  You are right D.Kidd, and Anon.

                  • DK,there are plenty of tools to remove unauthorized power.

          • Calcagus- Models are a form of statistics. There is always a margin percentage of error. But let me guess, when you are driving and get lost, you are the type of guy that just keeps on driving right? While your co-pilot wife insists you stop and ask for directions. lol I bet you have an interesting sex life. Not!!

            BTW/ Alvin Toffler author of “Future Shock” also wrote a good book back in the early 80’s Called “THE THIRD WAVE”

            It is similar to what you describe –

            The First Wave is the settled agricultural society which prevailed in much of the world after the Neolithic Revolution, which replaced hunter-gatherer cultures.

            The Second Wave is Industrial Age society. The Second Wave began in Western Europe with the Industrial Revolution, and subsequently spread across the world. Key aspects of Second Wave society are the nuclear family, a factory-type education system and the corporation. Toffler writes:
            “The Second Wave Society is industrial and based on mass production, mass distribution, mass consumption, mass education, mass media, mass recreation, mass entertainment, and weapons of mass destruction. You combine those things with standardization, centralization, concentration, and synchronization, and you wind up with a style of organization we call bureaucracy.”

            The Third Wave is the post-industrial society. Toffler says that since the late 1950s most countries have been transitioning from a Second Wave society into a Third Wave society. He coined many words to describe it and mentions names invented by others, such as the “Information Age.”

            • @WWTI
              WTF. Forget your meds again? Forget to let everyone know you yanked your info right off of Wikipedia?
              Around here at shtf, most of us give the source. Its the right thing to do. Adds credibility to what you say.

              I read Future Shock long time ago. Aint thought about Toffler for decades but Ill see if I can scrounge a copy of Third wave.

              • WWTI is such a hypocrite, he bashes everyone, but then does the same himself. He must lead a sad life, he has stated he is ugly, hates GOD, but yet he cannot tell us where humanity came from. For 9 months he has come here and bashed most everyone in one way or another…

                • Eppe the Joke thief plagiarism, posting stolen material. Get a life. You don’t post anything but stolen jokes and fails to post its source day after day. You life must be one big cut and paste joke. bwhaaaaaaaaa

                  • Relax, 30 years ago I read about some guy that was copying down graffiti in old churches and Egyptian tombs. He said most of the jukes you hear are thousands of years old. Take my Pharaoh; please

                • BTW eppe, I don’t hate anybody even if there is a God. I think the Sun is the Master of the Universe. You just hate me cause I caught you stealing other people jokes. Must suck being a daily fraud with no thoughts of your own.

                  • The Sun is the master of the universe? The Sun is just one of billions and we are on the outskirts of just the Milky Way, or what we call it. And Hubble telescope shows there are billions of Milky Ways out there. We here on Earth are just a pimple on the microbe on the flea on the dog, which could shake it off in a microsecond.
                    Or is that too hard to comprehend?
                    Have a blessed day…

                • btw eppe, post another stolen joke and I will call you out every time. At least post the source to give the person who thought it up the credit. Do you have any jokes you thought up all on your lonesome?

                  • WWTI, Please ole great master of all, write a article yourself and present it here for everyone to read. I did, sometime ago. You sir, are just a shit stirrer, you yourself do not always post where it came from, names per say. BTW, if you can find names attached to the joke original makers, let me know, I would give credit to them, but since you cannot, bugger off, or are you just jealous??? Take your ginko, and get a life, or am I being to obtuse? Have a BLESSED day…
                    May the Sun cook your sorry excuse of a human…

              • Calgagus, Yes I do usually post the source, thanks for the heads up. Unlike some thieves who steal thoughts and jokes daily…. or is all they post is someone else’s thoughts. I have no need to steal for personal gain or green thumbs.

                • @WWTI
                  Saw you had a link in another comment here, glad you did that. Elsewhere here one of the Anon posters said quite a bit but had nothing to point us to. Some questioned the comment, I searched for it but never found anything legit. Takes time away from prep work or other honey do stuff going on around here.

                  Jokes aint the same as info and you know it. Eppe and a few others have the comic relief we need. If we cant laugh, we aint got much.
                  Thoughts though? Stealing thoughts? Thats a God given right you dont and cant try to control.

                  Come dawn, Ill be splittinn wood. Then off to church. Another 2 cords to put up this week. If my mind wanders like usual, I can guarantee Im thinking of a few jokes or how life keeps throwing curveballs, not squabbles on here. Time is short, its best to make good use of what we got.

                  @Eppe, glad to see you back, man. Keep em comin.

              • Calig- btw I did give Alvin Toffler credit in my above comment for his book. 3rd wave. Wikapedia just gave the illustration of what each wave was and described.

                • Eppe you spew such hatred cause I called you out. I have no need to hate any body or need to swear like you do then you hide behind your religion like a coward and say have a blessed day. That is what’s illustrate as a hypocrite.

                  • Btw eppe. Where ever you get the stolen cut and paste jokes from if you can cut and paste the jokes you can surely cut and paste the web link URL as well. Come on be a man paste the source link.

          • …and have an average life expectancy of 40 years

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            Creeking in Pennsylvania! Rick Modglin

          • This of course assumes the evolutionary world view. The Biblical world view says the earth is only several thousand years old, probably 6,000, and that the surface we see today as well as most of the geology, was formed or drastically altered only 4,500 years ago, by the flood judgment on the earth, which was not just rain but a geological cataclysm. This limits the timeframe for man’s time on earth. Also, in the last several years, some genetic researchers have shown that at the rate of accumulation of mutations, man has less than 10,000 years left and will be increasingly and finally unfit to live and unfit to reproduce. This same evidence indicates a starting point for man, when genomic information was pure, unadulterated, and original to start with, i.e. written by God, before any decay started. There is archeological evidence, too, that man was not dumb in the past, but just as smart or smarter than we are today.

        • A sentiment shared by anyone that has ever owned a small business.

          • Yep… but you will never convince the “occupy” group of this…

          • A sentiment given to small business owners by the Jooo run IRS.

          • On Ebola crisis: The MSM is at it again- feeding people bull shit. Now, Friedan, head of CDC, is comparing the Ebola crisis to the AIDS crisis. They know dern well Ebola is a hell of a lot worse than AIDS!

            Ebola has the potential to become a pandemic– as in, half the world’s population dieing off. It has the potential to become as bad as the Black Death– the plague of the 1440’s which killed off half the planet!

            AIDS is no comparison– AIDS was restricted to certain people/ under certain circumstances… Ebola is equal opportunity disease– Ebola doesn’t care if you aren’t shooting up, are gay, or promiscuous– it can kill you no matter what your sexual preference or what your hobbies are.

            According to the CDC, there will be around 1.4 million cases of Ebola by Janurary– Can you imagine the Ebola crisis 150 times worse than it is now? And the CDC said it will take a year to get this under control. A couple virologists have said that the time to get it under control was back in June– they didn’t! Now, it is unstoppable!

            To the MSM and our “Leaders”…please spare us the platitudes.. we know how bad this is!

            • Here is the Cause of Death List from 2009 yr stats World Wide.

              Cause of Death / Rank / # of Deaths

              Coronary Heart Disease 1 7,253,824
              Stroke 2 6,151,154
              Influenza & Pneumonia 3 3,463,256
              Lung Disease 4 3,278,167
              Diarrhoeal diseases 5 2,464,425
              HIV/AIDS 6 1,776,270
              Lung Cancers 7 1,387,121
              Tuberculosis 8 1,341,768
              Diabetes Mellitus 9 1,255,477
              Road Traffic Accidents 10 1,208,629
              Hypertension 11 1,153,308
              Other Injuries 12 1,145,949
              Low Birth Weight 13 995,687
              Liver Disease 14 848,636
              Malaria 15 826,908
              Suicide 16 781,927
              Birth Trauma 17 779,004
              Kidney Disease 18 775,103
              Stomach Cancer 19 758,152
              Liver Cancer 20 695,200
              Colon-Rectum Cancers 21 647,014
              Alzheimers/Dementia 22 539,922
              Violence 23 535,369
              Falls 24 510,331
              Breast Cancer 25 482,362
              Congenital Anomalies 26 428,158
              Oesophagus Cancer 27 413,732
              Inflammatory/Heart 28 402,147
              Maternal Conditions 29 361,360
              Meningitis 30 340,154
              Endocrine Disorders 31 318,242
              Drownings 32 305,922
              Lymphomas 33 304,737
              Peptic Ulcer Disease 34 297,954
              Asthma 35 284,046
              Oral Cancer 36 281,471
              Cervical Cancer 37 276,939
              Prostate Cancer 38 272,155
              Pancreas Cancer 39 269,748
              Leukemia 40 266,820
              Poisonings 41 252,452
              Malnutrition 42 242,282
              Rheumatic Heart Disease 43 220,278
              Fires 44 195,223
              Pertussis 45 195,112
              Other Neoplasms 46 188,227
              War 47 181,795
              Epilepsy 48 178,161
              Bladder Cancer 49 160,317
              Measles 50 155,439
              Ovary Cancer 51 140,072
              Hepatitis B 52 128,342
              Parkinson Disease 53 109,710
              Anaemia 54 102,571
              Syphilis 55 99,873
              Tetanus 56 88,235
              Alcohol 57 79,489
              Uterin Cancer 58 77,939
              Skin Cancers 59 77,484
              Skin Disease 60 74,138
              Drug Use 61 71,476
              Hepatitis C 62 69,027
              Upper Respiratory 63 65,684
              Trypanosomiasis 64 54,289
              Prostatic Hypertrophy 65 44,315
              Schistosomiasis 66 44,057
              Rheumatoid Arthritis 67 37,670
              Schizophrenia 68 27,070
              Leishmaniasis 69 25,980
              Appendicitis 70 25,904
              Multiple Sclerosis 71 17,080
              Dengue 72 16,099
              Vitamin A Deficiency 73 15,647
              Depression 74 15,252
              Encephalitis 75 14,534
              Leprosy 76 11,716
              Chagas disease 77 9,887
              Osteoarthritis 78 8,579
              Diphtheria 79 7,686
              Otitis Media 80 4,674
              Chlamydia 81 4,373
              Iodine Deficiency 82 4,342
              Oral conditions 83 3,937
              Ascariasis 84 1,852
              Trichuriasis 85 694
              Hookworm Disease 86 231

              • What?!?!?!…….No al-queda or isil, isis, is or whatever the hell the ragheads are called now not on the list?!?!

                Sheesh…It appears we got worse things to worry about from that list.

              • WWTI, where is the credit source? Oh, I forgot, you are the god of the internet, do as I say, not what I do…

                  • WWTI, the last time I checked, there is no copyright on any jokes of any kind. They are free to be distributed to whomever. I don’t care where Eppe gets the jokes from. He provides a valuable service to us keeping us laughing and smiling considering everything that’s going on right now. I don’t see any good reason for you to bash him, so back off.

                  • All new jokes are mere variations of older jokes. Jokes go back to ancient times and therefore are not covered by copyright.

                    You can’t find anyone alive who has written a completely original new joke. I read a story years ago about how jokes were originally implanted in peoples’ heads as an experiment by aliens. That was supposed to be a humorous explanation of why you can’t find the origins of any basic joke.

                    BTW, if you find a joke on the internet, it is guaranteed to be unoriginal and not written by the poster.

                    Even what you wrote above about “plants and stars,” although slightly humorous, was not original. Sound alikes and misspellings have been the subjects of jokes as long as I can remember. Just look up funny church bulletins. Example: “Thursday night: Potluck Supper – Prayer and medication will follow.”

            • Also off main topic but Ebola related, more specifically on the subject of quarantining travel out of the affected countries, from “The Hot Zone” pg 85, which I’m currently reading:

              The scene is set in 1976 where two doctors from the CDC are traveling via Land Rover to Bumba, Zaire to see if they can track down the source of the then current Ebola outbreak.

              “Occasionally they came to villages, and at each village they encountered a road block of fallen trees. Having had CENTURIES of experience with the small pox virus, the village elders had instituted their own methods for controlling the virus (Ebola), according to their perceived wisdom, which was to cut their villages off from the rest of the world, to PROTECT their people from a raging plague. It was reverse quarantine, an ancient practice in Africa…”

              So, 40 years ago, illiterate people living in small villages,in the bush in Africa, are smart enough to take measures (restricting travel) to protect themselves from a plague that kills most of them, but our modern, highly educated leaders THINK that they can control Ebola with our supposed highly developed health care system.

              These are the idiots that we elect to protect our nation.

              Not even as smart as illiterate people living in the bush in Africa.

              • They don’t have a choice.

                Ever been $50k in the hole and then you’re gonna lose your job? You’ll do literally ANYTHING to make your next minimum payment. If that includes putting a bunch of people at risk, I assure you they’ll do it.

                This. THIS. Is why debt matters. This is why. Sure it don’t matter when everything’s happy and peachy. How long does that usually last?

                Because with no debt, with the surplus y’all SHOULD have, you could go into lockdown for 5 years and it would suck but it would be ok.

                Astounds me when government says “debt doesn’t matter”.

                • The Government helps Banksters devious plan to bankrupt Americans and kick us all out of our homes, take our homes and property, then rent them back to us, creating an endless cycle of debt and hapless minions.

                  Want to really put the hurt on banks, Stop all together everyone at the same time, stop making any debt payments to any bank. There is no way they could enforce their debt. We would bankrupt them in a few months. Just like a sit down strike, F-em. As long as we keep going along making payments, they have us by the balls.

                  • They have YOU by the balls. Not me sir.

                  • Just bought more ammo and clips yesterday. I’m working to pay off all my debt too. That won’t stop wannabe tyrannts in the end, when SHTF, from trying to take whats rightfully yours. So in the end, all of us are criminals – governments and rogue preppers whom defend themselves. The slaves will be TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS. So what’s the difference when SHTF? Nothing, we’ll all need to stand up for whats rightfully ours … OR be treated like criminals regardless, by criminals. I rather be a criminal prepper who ends up with something, than an innocent civil who is treated like a criminal by criminals anyday! Does that make sense? It does to me.

              • One other thing on Ebola, actually “The Hot Zone”. I highly recommend everyone read this book. You can probably get it at your local library, as it was a popular title back in the 90’s.

                If your local library doesn’t have a copy, they can get you one through your state’s inter-library loan program. The reference desk at your library handles this program.

                • YEAH, I READ IT YEARS AGO, NAVY. It was a book you can’t lay down (except when too upset from reading it!) At times, I had to put it down because was so scary!!

                  Stephen King said it was scariest book he ever read. And its a true story!

              • Ohhh,

                “ILLITERATE” is it?

                I understand those people existed for many generations, or centuries, living off the land as best they could.

                Likely, so long as the “enlightened” left them alone, and left to their methods, it seems they fared alright.

                Now enter “the enlightened” meddling in their life.

                Oh, is the continent teeming in energy and mineral resources?

                • Wow,

                  The moderation delay placed this well after the post I intended to refer to.

                  This is related to “Navy Vet” above.

                  Supporting his comment “Not even as smart as illiterate people living in the bush in Africa”

                  My assertion is that illiterate does not necessarily mean “STUPID”

                  • Jake … That’s why I called them illiterate as in: unable to read or write, in contrast to our supposedly well educated elected officials who can’t think past their nose.

                    I think you assumed things, from my post, that weren’t there or you don’t understand the meaning of illiterate.

                  • Navy Vet
                    Notice I stated that I support your assertion.

                  • Jake, but you didn’t assert “support” until your second post, where in that second post you asserted “stupid”, which was my interpretation of your first post ““ILLITERATE” is it?”

                    Both of your posts clearly tell me that you do NOT understand the definition of illiterate, even though I defined it for you and illustrated why I used that word, a common mistake.

              • You’ed think that being born in Kenya Obumer would have picked up on that old trick. But me thinks this isn’t the big picture his handlers are after. And a spread of “Obola” will drive that final nail into the “We are in-acting martial law, NOW” that they are after.

            • @Anonymous….

              Yep…thing about AIDS was…if you didn’t male homosexual sex….didn’t do IV drugs or have sex with those who did….or didn’t have a blood transfusion that was infected with HIV…..your chances of getting AIDS were virtually zero.

              Ebola is an equal opportunity killer. MUCH easier to catch. Not even close in comparison.

              As I have stated MANY times here. The spread of this virus is exponential. And the result of that is, there are ever increasing odds that it will spread into areas where it has never been before. Again…the reason is because previous outbreaks occurred in rural areas where the people affected were contained. The virus literally burned itself out.

              Now…’s very likely that it is boarding airplanes every day.

              I heard today (not verified) that dogs were observed licking up the vomit left on the street by Eric Duncan as he was being loaded into the ambulance at his residence in Dallas. Evidently, dogs are known to be asymptomatic carriers of the Ebola virus. So…..where did the dogs go?

              I fear the genie is out of the bottle.

              I really hope I’m wrong about this.

              • Yeah, people really need to look up what exponential growth looks like. One minute all seems fine, the next, Apocalypse.

              • On the news this weekend, they gave a number of deaths and the rate of doubling (3-4 weeks). Based on their own numbers, everyone on the planet would be dead by summer of 2016.

            • Scare monger, the Plague of 1440 didn’t kill off half the planet, it Only killed 1/3 of Europe. There is no data to indicate Mog Mog even noticed it. For those few that don’t know where Mog Mog is; it was the R&R island for parts of the Pacific Fleet during WWII. Great spot; you could do anything you wanted and stay as long as you wanted. Only had 2 problems. 1. Nothing but sand 2. Under water at high tide.

        • Thats how i feel minus the alcohol
          Cant wait for these asshole environmentalist over here to pass the GMO ban
          Im going to stop providing fresh kale to them if they care so little about the negative effect their initiative will have on so many local families i dont care so much if they get the 100#+ a week in kale they have been consuming,
          Fuck em i got a honey do list a mile long, will be nice to work on that instead of busting my hump to provide a quality food product to a bunch of assholes.

          • 1000# a week not 100#

          • GMO sucks bro. Getting angry about not being poisoned when you eat …… seems sill. Might flouride bans, chem trail bans, nuke disarmament etc also make you upset?

            • When they kill 1000 jobs in your county and demand the local government spend millions creating a new division of government enforcement whole sapping 85 million from the local economy by their action then get back to me, till then i dont like GMOs but no way i am willing to kill our economy to prove a point

        • eppe: Oh’ so good to have you back, SEG!

          • Glad to be back, was only 12 days. I do have a hard problem to which anonymous id is which, seems to be quite a few of them out there. Pick a monicker to stick with, it would help all us old timers out there to relate who is who???
            Sorry to be acyronym deficent….

            • For example, ‘eppe’ comes from a nickname pegged to me from a neighborhood gang I grew up with. It would be cool if everyone would explain how they got thier moniker name?
              Done this before, just alot of new posters out there…

              • I came up with Faith of the Fallen by reading Terry Goodkind’s book. If you want a idea about socialism read the sword of truth series.

                • I do believe my moniker is self explanatory.

                • Faith: Great book series….loved it…

                  Oh, and mine is just a pet name from the hubby…

              • grandee came from my first grandchild 🙂

              • I’ll play

                Out = in a direction away from the inside or center

                law = a rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority

              • Eppe, I chose the name ‘braveheart’ from the movie starring Mel Gibson by the same name. It’s based upon the true story of a Scottish patriot fighting for his country’s independence against English tyranny and oppression. His nickname was braveheart. So I adopted the name since I felt I could identify with William Wallace aka Braveheart. And NOBODY plays the underdog like Mel Gibson can. He’s also one of only a handful of GOOD people in Hollywood.

                • Renegade Braveheart, you mentioned Mel Gibson in the movie Braveheart. My wife and I still watch the movie DVD. Great movie. And I think Gibson got a shitty deal with all the fallout from his DUI bust. But it tells us who really runs things in Hollyweird.
                  I did read a comment somewhere stating actors and movie producers are leaving the politically correct Hollywood scene. They’re still making movies and doing well.
                  My handle was a random choice; it had nothing to with the Archie Bunker TV series.

                  • Meathead, I agree with you there, when Mel did the movie on Jesus, he made millions, and asked many to invest, many did not, and he walked away showing he was correct. Did you know he was a New Yorker, his father did not agree with the Vietnam war, and moved to Australia? Then he did the first movie ‘Road Warrior’, which led to Mad Max, and then his profession bloomed?
                    ht tp://
                    I admire him, since in his first movie, it was a ‘b’ class movie, but was outside the box, and was a midnight movie on many theatres here in the USA. He is one cool cookie, heard he owns tons of acreage in Australia.
                    Ready down under, what are your comments on this???

                  • Eppe, I’m replying to your comment below. Welcome back to the forum.
                    I saw the Road Warrior right around the time it first came out. I was amazed by all the punk rockers chasing each other around in the Australian desert; thought it was a helluva movie. Wez was quite a character. Scary looking bastard. Some of the stunt driving scenes reminded me of I-15 traffic in Salt Lake County.
                    Anyway, yeah, Mel is from New York. He made some great movies.

                  • Meathead, that goes to show you not everyone in Hollywood has their head up their a$$. I’ve got the DVD, of course, and still watch it on occasion. That movie gives me inspiration. Kudos to the ones who have left and will leave at some point.

                • braveheart

                  William Wallace….superb…

                  They don’t make them like that anymore..

                  Appears throughout history that those “few” who did stand up to tyranny had their heads handed to them sooner or later..and knew the consequences of their actions before hand..

                  No one seems to stand up to tyranny nowadays…


                  if one does..


                  they suffer the wrath of the state and all its bureaucracy

                  Enjoy the day


                  • Possee, I do know that when the time comes I will stand up against tyranny and the consequences be damned. As my namesake once said, “Every man dies. But not every man truly lives.”

              • ubiquitous…



                being everywhere at the same time

                constantly encountered


                short for posse comitatus

                Enjoy the day…

              • I am the Archivist.

                I collect information and media. I have everything from 400-year-old history books to the complete set of “Wild Wild West” TV shows, including the movies. I never dispose of anything. I have original cylinder recordings, 1835 almanac disposed of by the Weather Bureau, sheet music from the late 1800s on, phonograph records from 1901 on, home movies (some from outside the family) from the 1940s on, and all the proper equipment to play all the records, tapes, and films.

                In case of total collapse, I have all the knowledge necessary for rebuilding, from carpentry and gardening all the way to nuclear physics.

                I started collecting information over 50 years ago, mainly because of the way my brain is wired. I am obsessive over a few things and have more IQ than modern employers are willing to allow someone to use on the job. That’s why I became John Galt ten years ago. I became tired of ignorant micromanagers.

            • T-town, I live in the Toledo area. I know, not very original, but it works. Ha!

              • I would say the moniker I chose is pretty obvious from all me posts,especially recent ones,that said,due to opsec is all the information I will divulge!

            • eppe ran out of stolen jokes, but now he gots some more stolen jokes to cut n paste. All to make you think eppe is a funny man. Thieves will be butchered come shtf/

              • Sure, ran out of jokes, you have stated that you plan to cull us all in the SHTF, or do you not remember 9-13-2014?
                Probablly drunker that a flea in the vodka bottle when you wrote that, but hey, I still respect your opine, and you should respect ours, ole great master of the universe…

                • LOL, Yeah what ever grand master cut n paste joke thief.

                  • Eppe and WWT. You two people need to grow up! who is going to be the bigger man? It is the one who does NOT feel threatened by the other and does NOT respond to intended insults. My father taught me that one can only insult you if you take it on. Maybe the two of you should remember that.

        • What kind of Bacardi?

          • Ted Kennedy.

            That’s my boy.


        • Sloooooooooooooooow News Day.

          I never thought I would bother, but now that food and gear and guns are handled, I actually have a NBC kit. Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. The wife has tolerated the food preps, but she thinks the NBC kit is going too far.

          Hopefully it is never needed, and one less thing to fear now that the kit is complete. Some of the top picks were:

          Unscented Bleach
          4 Mil Plastic Drop Cloths
          Tychem Suits
          18 Inch Gauntlet Gloves
          N100 Respirators
          Nitrile Gloves
          Latex Gloves
          IOSAT Pills
          Splash Guard Goggles


          I can set up a sick room to isolate myself or my kid(s).

          I can go outside in a fallout situation.

          I can dress for Halloween.

          I can run through the sprinklers spraying toxic chemicals.

          I can make a dummy decoy that is visible from very far away.

          I can frame my neighbor for planning to

          Ah the joys of prepping!

          • Townsaver.

            My wife used to ask, “What do you need that for?”

            Wait till you put on your gas mask in 90 degree plus temps. How your breathing will be affected. Most people who have had no training will pull it off their face in 30 minutes.

        • I am the boat owner.

        • eppe,

          Hilarious! Thank you!

        • Eppe you should post the source of your cut and paste Jokes. Got anything original you made up?

          Here are a few sources of Eppe’s cut and pasted IRS Joke you posted above.

          Just a few cut n Paste sources of that IRS joke. Do you have any original jokes you make up your self, or is all you got is cut and paste skills of plagiarism to earn green thumbs? How about any contributions to the subject of Mac’s article. Any prepping info you can contribute?

          • As a followup. When cutting and pasting information from one article or a joke or information, you should be also posting the link of the source. If someone Stole Mac’s Article Work and presented as their own it is Plagiarism. Mac also has to get permission to repost information from other news sources and Mac surely lists the Author’s Name as a credit to the article and the identity of the Article and source. There is enough theft going on in the world, just a heads up. Some people think eppe is funny, when it is theft and plagiarism taking credit for someone else’s joke.

            • @whowuddathunkwhatever…why you being the debbie downer today? What?….you don’t like to laugh? I nominate you for the plagiarism police! (eyes rolling at the idiot)

              • WWTI is a jerk with zero life, no wonder no woman would marry him, have kids like him, and probably blow his brains out while he sleeps. I could not blame her at all.

                • Gee eppe you wicked thinking man. You go hide for 12 days to go find your penis. Now you back to post more stolen jokes? Yeah what ever. You got busted plagiarism thieving other people jokes. You got any thing original big guy?

                  • Actually I got tired of your bullshit, you keep trashing good people here, posting things that have been written by others without thier names included, and generally have been a blemish to the site. Please show me a place where a jokers name is attached to the joke. You cannot. You remind me of the other useless jerks who come here, bashing posters for no real reason. Are you ACID-SYBIL, finx, YMWW, and a multitude of others who just get online to trash everyone?
                    May the Sun cook your worthless butt, or may you get Ebola from someone in your hood…. But have a blessed day.

                  • Eppe, I am only picking on you for stealing jokes and not posting the source, nice try to group “me against everyone.” Hardly the case. There are a lot of great posters on here who actually contribute to the article or give something worthy as substance. You offer neither but stolen jokes. You sound pretty defensive cause I busted you for stealing jokes. Obviously since you have no jokes of your own, you resort to stealing other material and try to pass it off as your own. You are nothing more than a common thief. You will be dealt with by your maker or someone else during the culling. Yes thieves are on my culling list. Maybe our paths will cross.

                • Hi eppe;
                  I have yet to see a joke coyrighted. Someone once told me that a lot of the jokes are developed in prisons. The people incarcerated have a fair amount of time on their hands and not all of them are stupid. Any truth in that? PS I enjoy your humor. I ask an occasional question here about gen sets, battery banks, etc. and never get much response. Prepping is a hell of a lot more involved than medication, guns, and food. I want power for a couple of years with fossil fuel sources and not live under a rock. From your occasional comments about prepping I wonder if you are not a little more hands on than you let people know. What kind of power sources do these folks have? Any readers of this web site have hydro? I’d feel pretty stupid if people in the middle of the jungles of Africa and South America had power and I did not.
                  Anyway, keep up the humor and don’t let the rude fucks run you off, though I don’t know if I could handle the insults either.

                  • Thanks Skeptic, yes, you are correct on alternative power. Been researching solar, wind, hydro for years. We have much to learn on how to make electricty as we know it. Tesla invented many things, like AC power, electromagnetic power (running off the power spun by the earth) and other things like collecting lighting strikes collected in a central ‘battery’. I have done extensive research on his patents, and found that those in power do not want these FREE electricity elements to surface, hence taking away money from them. It is a shame that those in power, cannot let free thinking let us all be free from a continously be in dept in using what they have set up. I think that we all have been set up to use thier inventions to pay them money forever. I plan to get off the grid, make my own power, food, income, and life in general without the govt. If someone could come up with a way to store power, in a small device, and power a home, business, or bigger, we would put the electricity business out of business. Yes I believe we can, just making it worldwide, well that is the problem.
                    Ford made a car from cannibis, body wise, said he could grow cars. Makes sense, to do away with steel in that factor, Tesla ran a car off electricty from the Earth for 96 hours, maxxing out the speed all the way. Those in power either bought out the patents, so they would never surface, so they were in control, or wiped them off the Earth so the invention would never gain a foothold. Many people have great ideas, just those in power do not let it happen, so they can profit forever. I say kill them all, and let common sense prevail….

                  • Yeah, in the days and times we desperately need to be able to laugh– doesn’t matter where the jokes come from— eppe is a blessing on this site.

                  • skeptic. Unfortunately eppe is a fraud cause none of what he posts is his own material. So he himself is nothing more than a cut and paste thief. It take a pretty small man to post day after day material that is none of his own.

                    Regarding your energy, I have thought about this over and over, and have decided not to be dependent on energy, and do not freeze meat and resort to canning it. Dehydration is another method. You should consult websites that deal with energy for lasting. Even a large battery bank needs to be replace after 3 to 5 years, so what will you do after that if the grid is never restored? And even if you spend tens of thousands of dollars of resources, an EMP can crash the entire system then you are back at square one. I just suggest reduce your dependency entire on the grid. Stock up on oil lamps, go to bed at dark and get up ar first daylight.

            • WWTI – lighten up and get a life

          • WWT, Why are you so nasty to Eppe? Quite frankly, I don’t care where they come from, I am just glad he shared them. Thank you Eppe!

            • T-Town, Thanks, I have looked for names of the original joke maker, never found any, but if I post something someone else wrote, I always give credit and include thier name if available. Always. I do wish I knew what his hard on for me entails? BTW, he has stated he would ‘cull’ all of us in a SHTF scenerio, sounds like a psyco to me. Glad he is in FLA, and I am in Jawja. And to everyone out there, great jokes from all, I hope it tourqes his butt up….

              • Eppe you are such a fraud and now a liar. You never have looked up any name of the original joke maker. And you NEVER have posted one source link from where you stole it from. Why do you now lie about it? Get real. How about go back and look at all your jokes you posted and show where you posted the source link even once. Your world is crumbling.

                Yes Thieves and Liars are on my culling list. And I don’t now need to have you lie about what I say. Do you also tell your son its OK to steal other people term paper work to submit it as his own? Hope to see you turn your life around and get righteous. Your Big Guy upstairs is watching your every move.

                Eppe you said this: “he has stated he would ‘cull’ all of us in a SHTF scenerio,” That is a large flat out lie. Post the comment ID# where you claim I said that statement? You are a liar punk. Until you can prove it with the Comment ID# you are a liar too besides a thief.

                • May see you later planners, I do not have to put up with WWTI’s abuse. It is posters like this that makes others leave this site. He has said that I was lying about his posts about culling those who have faith. Well, here it is. And it has been only 3 days…
                  Since Pissed Off Granny, myself, and many others are still waiting on WhoWuddaThunkIt’s answer on where humanity started, then LIED to all of us that he posted his belief(or non belief), which is a joke. Below is a joke from somewhere. Who knows who came up with it, there is no name attached, but I am sure WWTI did not come up with it. And yes, for the first two years of being here, I posted many prepping ideas, but once you are prepped out, most just try to help others get up to speed. But since WWTI is so brilliant, walks on water, heals the sick, has all the answers to mankind, we should all bow down to his imagined GREATNESS….Now WWTI says the Sun is the master of the universe, what a dipshit. The Sun is just a star, burning out, in time will collapse, and the Earth will expire. We will expire. That is why I say there is a greater power controlling the entire universe. Our souls are worth something, YHWH says we were known to him before we were conceived. We have (soul wise) a place to reside forever. May GOD have mercy on your soul WWTI; it is the only thing that keeps on going forever.
                  I will say that MOST of WWTI’s posts are cut and paste also, and his rants are detrimental (by all the red thumbs) to this site. WWTI, I do not sit around all day waiting on a new post, but I do pick a joke and set it up as a word document with my input. You seem to have a problem with those who think ahead. By the way, he has stated he would kill off most of us as per his own post here, I hope it posts correctly.

                  WhoWuddaThunkIt says:
                  Comment ID: 3230655
                  September 23, 2014 at 4:13 am
                  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.
                  Oh here we go, Swing on a star judging people using religious babble to crucify Acid. You can stuff your holy religious crap up your shute. You useless self-rightious M-fers are on my list to cull when given the chance post SHTF. That cult crap has no place in a humain society. You are all a bunch of superstitious witches.
                  Poorly-rated. What do You Think? 2 12

                  Would anyone like to live next door to this ‘person’? And if you did, how would you treat him? Would you invite him over for dinner and drinks? Would you bring out a Bible and try to convert him? I really wonder why he is so negative toward any one who has a higher power to believe in, even though religion has warped this world. I, myself, am looking for the true truth, but coming here and trashing everyone for what HE thinks is the truth, well, that means if I put a piece of lead thru his cranium, God would NOT hold it against me by WWTI’s thinking. WWTI seems to love to bash me for jokes, but rarely says anything to anyone else. Please read his post above again, bad spelling and all, and wonder what his real problem is. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR YOUR VIEW ON WHERE HUMANITY CAME FROM OR STARTED and not the sun is the master bullshit….
                  Now the old previously posted joke…
                  WhoWuddaThunkIt was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”
                  The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”
                  “Oh, I don’t know,” said WWTI. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.
                  “Okay,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”
                  WWTI, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.” To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know shit?”
                  And then she went back to reading her book.

                  P.S. Selco posted another new post today…

                  • eppe, BTW/ I know facts mean little to you, but the “Sun” is actually a “Planet” NOT a “Star.” What an idiot you are. The entire solar system in our universe evolves around the sun. A star is a rock in space that evolves around the sun. Know the difference.

                    BTW/ Everybody here is entitled to their opinions, If you post info or cut and paste other documented info, also post the link to the source. You never do, and try to pass jokes off as your personal work. Its your choice if you choose to be a fraud and a Joke Thief or as Wikipedia also calls a joke thief a hack. Which would you prefer, thief or hack?

                    Joke theft is the act of performing and taking credit for comic material written by another person without their consent. This is a form of plagiarism and sometimes can be copyright infringement.[citation needed]
                    A common epithet for a joke thief is “hack”, which is derived from the term, “hackneyed” (Meaning, “over used and thus cheapened, or trite”).[1]

                    • Evening from the UK,

                      I haven’t been around for a while, very busy renovating my forever home. I decided to come on and have a look around at what’s been going on.

                      Well, WWTI, you have issues by the ton son. If you live in a glass house best not yo chuck rocks about. You moan and target people, imply they are stupid…yet you state repeatedly the Sun is a planet. It’s a star, just as several people have pointed out but you still ride everyone ignoring your own lack of knowledge.

                      So many new names, no Eagledove and Possee though which is a shame, they are great contributors, as were so many others that seem to have vanished.

                      Hiya Braveheart.

                      Sorry to read of you health issues Six pack, I hope whatever treatment you have decided upon is going well.

                      Is BI still reporting earthquakes? He is uncannily accurate.

                      Evening Mac, glad to see the site is still packed with opinion and debate.

                      Take Care

                  • Don’t address him or talk about him Eppe, it only feeds the beast. The more anyone acknowledges what is said, the more it speaks.

                  • Evidently, WWTI was stoned all 15 years of his grammar school education and never made it to high school.

        • For a MAD MAX Bug Out Bag. How to pack for this.

          This will get really basic.
          The best thing to do is get away from the biggest threat and that is the human element.

          You may want several changes of clothes.
          *Grey Man – Basic street clothes or sweat pants, tennis shoes.
          *Tactical Clothes – All Black clothes for night time or Camo for hiding during the day to blend in with the woods. Always pack hiking boots, the heavier your bug out bag the taller your boot for ankle support. Last thing you want to do is twist an ankle due to a heavy bag.

          Basics – Water- Sawyer Water filter $18 and a and 2+ liter camel back. Food, several MRE’s 3 Min and other rice n beans and power bars. Vitamins, salt tabs. Mt House min 5 packets

          A small canteen cook set with a Trianga stove and or a wood fed stove to boil water and heat up canteen cup.

          Tools- Multi- Tool, Fighting knive, fillet knife, spork, Snares 3 min, fishing kit, hammock to double as a fishing net.

          Weapons, – Besides your knives listed above your primary handgun,9 mm at least 3 extended mags and several boxes of ammo. Battle rifle, at least 8 to 10 full 30 round magazines fully loaded. 12G shorty Mossberg 500 good defense also.

          Shelter, camo tarp, 550 cord to run a ridge line and use your hammock under the tarp keep off the ground. Wool blanket, or snug sleeping bag in a plastic bag. Last thing you ever want to get wet is your sleeping bag.

          Communication, cell phones, ham radios, basic weather AM-FM Radio.

          Other items, Binoculars to look far in advance of your directional movement. Detailed paper maps of your entire county or all the way to your safe zone reflecting all back roads, trails, GPS, Solar charger, extra batteries. Eye protection Goggles clear dark for sun block. If you are lucky IR or Night vision, safer to travel at night. Ghilli suit to blend in with your surroundings. Out of sight,out of mind, out of trouble. Small shovel & 12 Sandbags, you can fill them up where you are, then empty them till you get to your next spot to bug in to. A fox hole with branches for concealment will save you over and over.

          Prepare to fight ahead of time. Lessen the threat before it becomes a threat. Meaning, catch them in a surprise ambush instead of you. Learn how to prepare your night camp sight with early warning trip wires that someone is approaching. Use Force multiplier tactics. Maybe on your first shot use your weakest gun or a sling shot. They will think that is all you got is a weak pee shooter, then when they approach in the open, break out the beast and let them have it. Tactics and trickery will get you through Mad Max.

          Anyone want to add to this list feel free, just a short basic list. Bug out bag should be all Black or camo colors, NO bright color hiking bags in Mad Max. You will appear weak and vulnerable like a liberal hiker.

          Let er’ Rip !!!

          • WWTI ,
            Wearing black at night is not smart it shows as snow white in NOD’s you may as well wear a beacon on your head. Make sure all your gear is near infrared technology compliant( NIR ) or you will glow in the dark .

            Semper Fi 8541

        • URGENT

          CDC brief 8:30 AM 12 OCT 2014



          Semper Fi 8541

          • What makes me scratch my head was she allegedly was in full protective gear while working with Duncan. When I listened to the press conference this morning, a health care official was asked how can workers feel safe if this nurse got sick while wearing the gear. The response was “they” are confident that the safety gear works.

            This all leads me to believe that the transmission of ebola is very suspect. The spread will continue. Watch dallas closely to see the response. This could be the model as to how other cases will be handled. I’ll tell you this much, if they quarantine Dallas in any way whatsoever, I’m betting there will be mass hysteria around the US.

            • They are sending message to fellow healthcare professionals,”protective gear isn’t going to help you, get ready”

              • T-town: First hand knowledge or did I miss that in the article?


          • Night: She wasn’t even on the “watch” list for the other health care workers who were taking care of patient zero. How many days was she working with other patients, at home with family (does she have children in school), out shopping, grocery store handling stuff….before she got sick. I believe that you are infectious before you show symptoms…like every other virus.

            Not to mention that they have closed the emergency room to new patients and have another quarantined already. WND has a good article on this.

            Time to batten down the hatches…


        • Fishing changes people:

          “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”

          “Give a man a welfare check, a cell phone, cash for his clunker, food stamps, section 8 housing, Medicaid, 100 weeks of unemployment checks, a 40-ounce malt liquor, needles, drugs, contraceptives, and designer Air Jordan shoes…

          and he will vote Democrat for a lifetime.”

          And finally …

          “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you will never see him on the weekends.”

      2. A fair warning to the neighbors, while you were watching your 60″ flat screen and running up and down the rd in your gas guzzeling SUVs, I was prepping and preparing, I am the Mad Max around here so do not bother to stop in and tell me your troubles, I could care less.

        • Some people who are smart and work hard are blessed enough to have 99″ TVs & “Gas Guzzling” (WTF – are you a hippie?) SUVs, are debt free AND also prep.

          Sounds like you’re pissed that you don’t have the previously mentioned luxuries.

          That’s sad…
          Won’t you feel foolish when you find out your blessed neighbor is actually more of a survivalist than you.

          • STFU, believe it or not, I can have anything in the world that I want and will not have to charge it either, so go back over and lay down by your dish.

            • Good for you. You seem pretty proud of yourself.

              • I am, after looking back when I owed over two hundred thou, business was slow and times were tough, but hard work and patience paid off and we got things cleaned up before the last three crazy administrations got in office. all the money started going from one pocket to the other instead of from my pocket to someone elses. I was always a prepper and a pack rat, but there are some things that people need that just cost cash, canners, grain grinders, solar parts name a few

            • You should team up with KY MoM. You have all the money and she has all the answers.

              • DocLRRP,

                I never said I had all the answers.

                When I find helpful links or information that might be of interest to most people reading here, I merely share it.

                • KY, Wasn’t it a compliment? I admire your knowledge. Thank you for sharing. It is one of the reasons I come here, to learn and pick up useful information.

                  • KY Mom, you remind me of my parents and second and third adopted moms, been around the block, and know what to look for, and stay away from. You are a wealth of knowledge, do not let anyone tell you different. As Mac has stated, we are what makes this site sucessful, and I hope you keep inputting info that helps all of us. I hope you hang around a long time, just wish others would leave forever, and you know who you are…
                    Would it be nice to have a site where there was no sniping and back biting, like this site would be, if some would just go away???

              • hey doc, don’t have a dime, but I have all the necessities including silver and know how to survive the man made hell that is heading our way, I wish just half the world was in the shape we’re in, including great health for our ages.

            • :popcorn:

            • Excellent today on the Water kayaking in the Gulf, caught 2 under size Groupers with a small silver spoon, beautiful fish, Catch and release. Lots of wildlife, and 90 deg sunshine. The water is looking good. Dolphins kicking it, pelicans.

              • I hope the flesh eating bacteria gets you, would be a blessing to all of us if you disappeared…
                Have a blessed day…

                • Eppe that is mighty Christian of you. Why are you so hateful? You say you wish there was no sniping on here and a few comments down you lash out like a blind swinging pansy. Thanks for the laugh. Yes it was a nice day out on the water. And the fish were released safely back in the water. And the fish looked very healthy no flesh eating bacteria here. You seem to have a cancer inside you eating you alive with hate. Maybe you need to pray more for forgiveness for your evil thoughts. I hope you can recover.

                  • Yo mama so fat,

                    the doctor diagnosed her with a flesh-eating disease
                    and gave her 87 years to live.

                    And I’m not telling you where I got that.

                • Ha, ha!! Got him back, eppe, didn’t you?! (ha, ha!)

          • I know my neighbors, they’re too busy trying to be the life of the party, well the party is just about over, they may last three weeks.

        • I am “LORD HUMUNGAS”…

          • Just walk away…

          • Speaking of Humungas…I wonder what kind of pistol he has in the scenes from “Road Warrior”? It looks like a Smith and Wesson double action .44 magnum, possibly a Model 29. Same type of weapon Clint Eastwood used in the “Dirty Harry” movies?

            • Meathead ,
              Right on the money it’s a model 29 , don’t do like I did a shoot 2.5 boxes of 44 mag , ended up with tendinitis in my arms , couldn’t shoot for 3 months anything with heavy recoil.
              But it’s one hell of a hand gun , serious weapon for serious situations . Elmer Keiths masterpiece.

              ” I know what your thinking did he fire 6 shots or only five? Well to tell the truth, in all this excitement I kinda lost track myself. But being this is a .44 magnum the most powerful handgun in the world ( in 1971 ) and would blow your head clean off , you’ve got to ask yourself one question , do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk.? Go ahead make my day. ”
              Harry Callahan

              Semper Fi 8541

              Semper Fi 8541

              • Night Breaker,
                I get a kick (no pun intended) out of watching those old Dirty Harry movies, especially the 1st one.
                1971. Cars were bigger, gas was cheaper, and people could actually afford to live in California. And Clint Eastwood had some cool side burns in the 1st Dirty Harry movie.
                And the S&W .44 magnum was the most powerful handgun on the planet. I heard decades ago that a .44mag round would penetrate a car’s engine block with it’s muzzle energy.
                Now, Taurus has the Raging Bull in .454 Casull, S&W has a .460 and .500 magnum caliber pistol.
                I’m not sure that I would want to shoot any of those hand held cannons; at least not on a regular basis.
                In my opinion, .357s and 9mms are easier to handle.

                • Night Breaker are you getting any updates on the situation in Ferguson, MO ? The demonstrations seem to be continuing. Things look quiet, but could be a potential SHTF flashpoint.

                  • MH ,
                    Not so much there is a lot going down main concern is this EBOLA issue , ferguson is more a local issue out of my region so not much going thru . Most likely this will simmer for a while I don’t think that situation has legs to affect different regions . On the other hand the Ebola issue has BEEN UPGRADED to watch level . Some prepositioning of assets is going on , no fEMA activation yet local or national level , the fusion center has been realitively quiet too quiet .

                    Stay awake , pay attention things can change rapidly see my urgent post above.

                    Semper Fi 8541

                  • Night: I have been watching for your posts….forgive me for a dumb question. You said that Ebola has been upgraded to “watch” level. Upgrading is not good, but what exactly does that mean in military jargon. What are the threat levels….1-5? 3 = watch…4 = ?

                    Does my question make any sense?


        • Watch Most of the American Population in the More Northern climates die during the first winter season when the grid goes down. If the grid is down there may not be any Gas pumped to your home either and those too are doomed. Many will be found frozen dead clinging to their Bibles The Book of False Hope. Just ask the Donner Party – Who also turned to cannibalism.

          • I’d rather be frozen into a popcicle with God in my heart, than to stay here on earth, in ignorance!!!

            GOD IS LOVE.

            • Ignorance is Bliss eh?

              • Yeah, ignorance of your ego is bliss, whodunit. GOD IS BLISS.

              • WWTI,

                If so, you must be tickled pink.

          • @wwti

            Nah, most of us up in New England have multiple sources of heat. Plus, we’ve got something the “warmer”climates don’t……Refridgeration. 60 days grid down in New England, Minor Discomfort. Inner Cities excluded….as that holds true in all climates.

            • Cellar,agree heartily!We in New England are cutting next seasons wood whenever possible if not two seasons out.Yes,those unready/without at least plans will be screwed,same with any part of the country.

              That said,Goldfish crackers on sale!This goes a long way towards helping with my preps!I love them unhealthy little suckers,not too bad a vice.

              • Warchild, I just recently bought some goldfish crackers for the first time. Really tasty little suckers that will become a new addition to my food supply.

                • Yep,Goldfish crackers addicting little suckers!You have decent health/roof over head/food in belly you are doing better then many folks.You add a box of Goldfish crackers to the mix and you are winning the game!

                  • Warchild, I already have a 1-year supply of food; working on building it up to 2-years worth. The goldfish crackers will make a VERY NICE addition to my supply.

                  • Corned beef hash
                    Roast beef Hash
                    Sausage Hash

                    All the varieties of SPAM.

            • I live in Northern England and am certainly used to the cold. I simply put on more clothing and so don’t need heat. I did this last winter when my heaters broke and didn’t get them repaired for a fortnight.

              I live in the centre of a large city so in a longer term SHTF scenario – I would be unlucky though, but hopefully it wont happen.

              Take care:)

              • Rickyyyyy

                Hello from a fellow Brit. got family in Gateshead and Newcastle as well as Sunderland.


                • Hello Burt the Brit

                  I live in Sheffield City Centre.

                  I’m from North Yorkshire originally.

                  Hope you all keep prepping in the North East!!

          • How did mankind ever survive winter without power and natural gas?

            No doubt some would die, but most will begin to burn things. Give the human race SOME credit.

            Also, if the Donner Party simply turned around and went back down into the valley, they would have survived. Even if they simply walked. Ego killed them, not winter.

            I’ve fished Donner Lake. I live here. I know the story.

            • TownSaver- RE: Donner Party – In the end each family traded off their children to other families so they did not have to resort to eating their own offspring. A worthy history lesson of being prepared.

              • WWTI
                What a bummer if your child was plump and the people you had to trade with had a skinny child. Could you possibly trade for two?

                • Maybe trade the fat kid for a skinny kid and the family dog, go pound for pound when trading flesh. Maybe that where the term a Pound of flesh came from? hmmmmm….

              • If brains had been firewood; the Donner party couldn’t have cooked a grain of rice. Drive in the area, see where they were, ask yourself. why they couldn’t have killed some horses, make jerky, and just walked out? The best I can figure is they prayed: “God save us” and he said: “I don’t do stupid”. On the other hand, they’d fit right in now.

        • It sounds like we might be your neighbors. We won’t be bothering you, just like we don’t bother you now, because we are sitting on a boatload of preps too.
          Just cause we don’t act like you doesn’t mean we don’t have our stuff together
          Maybe our stuff is a little bit better than yours.
          So don’t bother to stop by and tell me your troubles!

      3. Yes, the author notes that ‘Government dependency’ has become a staple of our current existence, and rightly so.

        Some time ago I stumlbed across a view from a native American on the famine in Biafra; the one Bob Geldoff arranged the concert ‘We are the World’ for, Yes?

        “Man will look on this (the Famaine) and blame Nature and not himself. These people once lived in harmony with Nature, within the confines of what the natural world could porovide them and measured thier happiness by the seasons and the children they had. Then Man came and taught them how to FARM and the size of their families increased until the land could no longer sustain them. There will be famines before and after this, but none shall ever capture the attention of the World such as this one. There IS a lesson to be learned from this…”

        We live now outside the confines of what was intended, I think it shall not now be long until the “piper will be come a callin’…to PAID.”

        • @Mr Rogers
          You just added to my point on primitive living vs agriculture and farming.

          Watch for the piper.

          And it’s whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
          Then the piper will lead us to reason.
          And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
          And the forests will echo with laughter.

          • @ Calgahus,

            Yes Friend…soon now, very soon.

            On another note, just up at the ‘Hedge is this:

            “China’s Own “Ebola” Claims Another 1826 Cases”

            Refering to outbreaks of Dengue Fever, which apparently is now affilcting Thailenad as well as Japan. Sheesh, Mother nature is PISSED…throwing everything in her repetiore at us. Additionally, there has been a CONFIRMED case of MARBURG in Nigeria. Oh Boyo Boy…THAT is REALLY ‘not good’.

            • Maybe it’s NOT Mother Nature who is throwing everything available at us…Remember Ebola is PATENTED by the CDC, and don’t dismiss the idea that Marburg and Dengue Fever are not similarly “artificial”.

              • In the book, “the hot zone”, when it talks about the experiments on monkeys by scientists.. I believe these were government scientists… maybe you are on to something, sixpack.

              • Howdy sixpack,

                Ummm…you DO have a point. However, per Michael Snyder’s blog, there are cuurrently a HORDE of pathogenic occurances happening right now, ALL-AT-ONCE, hence my comment.

                I reallly beleive that some indefineable force of Nature periodically acts to mitigate Life on this sphere…and I am now wondering if THIS isn’t the lead-in for somesuch. We’ll see soon enough, I suppose. That single cae of Marburg – just identified – in Nigeria TERRIFIES me; that particular virus make Ebola look like ‘entertainment’….a near 95% mortality rate.

                • You’re right Mr. R, it IS all happening at a most inopportune time, and I agree that some of this is more “natural”, but still planned for—or at least, taken advantage of.

                  Pretty much the same way looters and thieves take advantage of natural disasters to steal, rob and murder innocent people…the thieves may not have caused the tornado, but they sure did take advantage of the fact that people were vulnerable and exposed because of it.

                  • “…, and I agree that some of this is more “natural”, but still planned for—or at least, taken advantage of.”

                    Howdy six!

                    At one point I used to beleive that the PTB were Omnescient and Omnipotent but time passed i actually began to think that there really is no ‘Great Consipracy’…not one structured and cooradinated by a any single group. Witnes that we can say some very things about the behaviour of a ‘gas of particles’… without EVER knowing what any individual particle is doing. Perhaps something similar ia occuring all around us that is actually the result – something of a ‘vector sum’ of of Greed, Stupidity, Short-sightedness and Self-Interest. I will be the firt to admit that the APPEARABCE is that some oberwheloming evil intelligence is strongly at work in the World, but we never can seem to ‘pin it down’ now can we? As well , waht if there are several such groups…all with conflicting motivations. Surely that might nearly explain the apparent arrogant stupidity of the Government and it’d minions.

                    That said, those that SUCCEED in the Wortld ‘as it is’ seem to be singularly possesed of an intrinsic, instinctual ‘opportunism’ that is very diiifcult for most ‘good folk’ to comprehend or understand on any level. Thereor “yes”, we AMy expect that those will take advantage at nearly EVERY turn…it’s thier NATURE, No?

                    I have – repeatedly – said here, before that we are dealing with ‘reptiles’ in dealing with some elements of the species. As for the rest here, take it as ‘open musing’ on ‘what is’: I am actually NOT sure WHICH case is the correct one anymore. Food for thought Friend…

              • Sixpack

                I think you are right because the government has done nothing to try to keep Ebola or any other disease from coming here or spreading.

              • How you doing? I was thinking you had surgery last week?

                • Yes, Anon, I posted a reply above. Thanks for asking.

                  • Six: I had a few questions for you in post at top. I didn’t realize that you had surgery already. Hysterectomy I’m assuming. Hope you are doing well.


          • Love Zep
            Going to go put on my headphones, Zep on my Iphone and work in the greenhouse!

            • This will be my Mad Max Designated Culling Music.

              Rush 2112 -/ Overture – The Temples Of Syrinx

              And as it say at the 4:30 mark, “The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth”

              • Perhaps so Who,but will it then be worth inheriting?!Loved that album and tour though!

                • Spent many many hours listening to rush.
                  Good stuff

                  • I went to their concert in the early 80’s.

                  • Rush is a fuxking idiot! Just a loud mouth stupid idiot@!

                  • Yep there was some major partying back in the early 80’s and to Rush 2112. Its a wonder I am still alive today to laugh about it. lol Saw Rush like 3 times. Van Halen about 3 times. Loud!! Went to my first concert for about $7 a ticket. Pat Traver’s Band. You know – Boom Boom Out goes the lights. He plays kick ass guitar solos.

                    Here are some goof rock and roll memories for ya.

                  • I will also add this great guitar solos. Pat Travers. Good Music Rocking Video Snorting Whisky and Drinking Cocaine. This really Rocks. Turn up the volume.

            • Kulafarmer says:
              Comment ID: 3242757

              October 10, 2014 at 1:28 pm

              Love Zep
              Going to go put on my headphones, Zep on my Iphone and work in the greenhouse!

              That sounds like a pretty great life ya got there Kula.
              Good on ya.

              • I never get tired of listening to Led Zeps “Stairway to Heaven.” Classic

          • ..And it makes me wonder….

            • This is my call to arms songwise,big surprise there!

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?
              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              When your back’s to the wall and your luck is your all
              Then side with whoever you may
              Seek thats which within lies waiting to begin
              The fight of your life that is everyday

              Dance with the war child, the war child, hoorah
              Dance with the war child, the war child, hoorah

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?
              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?
              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              In the heart of your heart, there’s the tiniest part
              Of an urge to live to the death
              With a sword on your hip and a cry on your lips
              To strike life in the inner child’s breast

              Dance with the war child, the war child, hoorah
              Dance with the war child, the war child, hoorah

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?
              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?
              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              War child, dance the days and nights away
              Sweet child, how do you do today?

              • Anon,you do realize the Rush Kula referring to is the band,you know,trio from the land up North?!Really,who is the as you so eloquently put it “fucking idiot”?

                • ha, ha… sorry– thought he was referring to Rush Limballs… he, he, he!

                  • If you don’t believe in God then you are a fuxking idiot too, whodunit… he ,he, he!

            • I like the Dire Straits lyrics in “Man’s Too Strong”.
              “Re-written history, with my armies and my crooks. Invented memories, I did burn all the books”…

              Interesting lines. Who was Knopfler talking about, the Catholic Church? Or something more recent?

        • Cycles and the fourth turning.

          Economic Collapse and the Debt Ceiling: The 4th Turning is Here

          Thom Hartmann & Neil Howe: Are we in the Fourth Turning?

          Google, China, The NSA, And The Fourth Turning
          “The world is not sliding, but galloping into a new transnational dystopia.

          This development has not been properly recognized outside of national security circles. It has been hidden by secrecy, complexity and scale. The internet, our greatest tool of emancipation, has been transformed into the most dangerous facilitator of totalitarianism we have ever seen…”

          • The Fourth Turning is a good book. I gave my brothers each a copy of the book and neither have read it. Can lead a horse to water…

        • Mr. Rodgers, that was the famine in ETHIPOIA beck in 1983-1984 when that country was under a communist tyranny. All of that aid eventually ended up going to the commie regime there and more people died from starvation than what was really reported at the time. Celebrities are notorious for supporting communist causes.

      4. It will never get like Mad Max around here. We have too many Hells Angels gang members in this town who will help keep the peace.

        • who is going to feed them? most gangs in the cities will steal to survive till there’s nothing left, then, they’ll parish along with the masses.

        • Yup…right up until the time that the Hells Angels do what the biker gang in Mad Max does. 1%er biker gangs should never be trusted to give a damn about keeping the peace.

      5. Awesome! I have always wanted an Australian XC Ford Falcon with a supercharger I could turn on and off with a lever on the shifter. This means that such a future may be within my grasp! Now where’s my dingo… (I hope it’s not eating another baby.)

        • On the other hand, has anyone else ever thought that “The Great Humongous” would make an awesome porn star name?

        • last of the great V8’s

      6. The really sad thing is a lot of you actually want this to happen. Some of you can’t wait to load your guns and have a wild west/war scenario. If this does happen, very few of you will actually be prepared the way you actually need to be. Start praying for this to never happen. Get right with God and prepare your hearts. God does not care about how good you are or how many good things you’ve done. He ONLY cares about the saving relationship you have with Him and your changed heart.

        James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.

        1 Corinthians 13:2-3 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

        • I think a lot of people want SHTF to happen, so they can use all their Prepping items they bought up over the last few years. How sad would be to die old age with dozens of never used up ammo cans. lol This Drip Drip Drip year after year is getting pretty lame. Bring it on!!

          • Honestly we are all living in one big PONSI Scheme. Passing all the National Debt down the chain to the Grand kids. Our Nation is Bleeding and US Corporations who made Billion off our economies are running away to save some taxes.

          • Honestly we are all living in one big PONSI Scheme. Passing all the National Debt down the chain to the Grand kids. Our Nation is Bleeding and US Corporations who made Billion off our economies are running away to save some taxes.

          • I think SHTF needs to happen. We need a societal reboot to get rid of all the assholes and psychopaths who rise to the top due to their ruthlessness and willing to crush anyone to self advance. A SHTF is needed to uproot the banker elite who are in control and holding the world by it’s balls. a real cleansing is what is needed. Not some bible quotes but real bible action in the form of divine retribution…served up warm. I could see a banker hanging from every telephone pole. A banker skewered on every fence post. Only when all the bastards are gone and dead, only then do I rest my head
            Boiled frogs

        • That’s absurd!

          What most preppers want is to be prepared in an SHTF.

          There’s nothing worse than having no food, water and security….. and information too – so ensure you have a radio with batteries stored up.

          Take care:)

          • I will be more the happy to not have shtf scenario,would suit me just fine,just have some preps /plans if it does.The majority of preps get used anyhow i.e. food/tools including firearms/bows/fishing rods/camping gear so no loss investment there by any means,same with the clothing boots ect.I have some basic med supplies and a few emergency med items,hope I never need them,will be happy to have em collect dust.

            • Better to keep dusting off your preps, than an empty shelf.

              • Sixpack…glad to see you made it through your procedure. Im “winter” servicing all my vehicles this week and painting the houses….I hate painting.

                • Yeah, I’ve covered my little vegetable bed with clippings, busted out the “no-slip” welcome mat and put a scooper in the rock salt bag…

              • L

          • Ricky, allow me to expand on your tip and get a battery-powered shortwave radio with single-sideband [SSB] capability and of course a shitload of batteries. I have 2 Grundig SW radios with SSB capability stored away in a faraday cage [metal trash can from home depot for $25]. Radio Shack carries a few models for under $200. Or you can go to They carry a wide assortment of tabletop and portable radios to choose from. Prices will vary but I’ve had good service with them and no complaints about them. most of the smaller portables use AA batteries, BTW, so be sure to stock up on those.

            • One problem with that Brave, Once TSHTF I’m forced to admit I don’t care what anyone else is doing. I try to keep up now, just to figure out what the Nut cases are up to. Once it goes down, I just LOCK AND LOAD. Then they can worry about me.

              • The problem is that if you are in a SHTF scenario, most of the time will be quite boring. If you are lucky it will always be boring. You’ll spend your days subsistence farming, hunting for small game (rats, cats and bats…yum!) and keeping your home in order. It likely won’t always be about fighting and if it is you probably won’t live that long. In any case, should you find yourself in such a situation or a long, slow collapse, you will want to know what is going on in the outside world. So, buy some kind of short wave radio. You can even get them for less than $10 on E-Bay. Put it in an ammo can lined with foam and you will have a cheap, EMP-proof way of getting information that will help you to assess your situation and adjust your actions accordingly.

                • as Winston says:

                  drudgery and subsistance living will be the norm.

                  unless your WELL stocked.

                  if not well stocked, plan on boredom being an enemy. bored people do stupid stuff.

                • First: If It’s very bad I don’t expect to survive very long. Unless family shows up, in need, there is no chance I’ll outlive my supples. Far more useful culling out some zombies to kelp the rest of the people. If they do, after I show them some stuff, no really good reason for an old guy to stick around just eating.
                  Second: As long as I have books, I have never been bored in my life. And I’ve got enough to read for close to forever.

              • Paranoid, I understand where you’re coming from. I should’ve added in my previous post to have the SW radio for gathering information as it likely may be the ONLY SOURCE of information once the grid and internet are lost. If we’re hit by an EMP or solar flare, it’s a safe bet that our AM and FM stations will be out of service. That leaves shortwave radio as the only source of information left. Braveheart will also be maintaining a low profile and be locked and loaded, but he also believes it’s important to have SOMETHING for information gathering so he’ll know where he stands from that point on.

              • I like the way you think

            • PS, just ate 3 cans of Pringles potato chips, 7 years old. Tasted fine, a little crumble

            • Thanks for expanding on my tip.

              The radio I purchased last week was an FM and AM band radio. It cost £10 (about $16) but it’s all I can afford.

              Radio Shack doesn’t exist in England.

              Take care the renegrade braveheart.

          • JFK Airport – TSA is now giving health screens for incoming passengers, moving them to intake quarantine areas, taking their temperature, What a crock, and you have to also give them all your info where they can find you. I will never fly again if at all possible. The NAZI’s let this Eboli into the country to now give them the excuse to screen for this. When Ebloi took off in Africa, I would have stopped all flights from those areas, until I had a full proof method to deal with it. The toothpaste is already out of the tube. Watch, soon any place you go they will screen you like go to a shopping mall you get screened and tracked. This is madness.

      7. The divorce rate in America was never as high as the article reports. According to an article in womenshealth dot org, the divorce rate is 30.8%. 72% of people are still married to their first spouse. The other 28% includes widows and widowers besides divorced people. The reported divorce rate of 50% was based an on extrapolation of increasing divorce rate numbers following the no-fault divorce laws of the 70s. And because opponents of marriage wanted people to think marriage is very risky despite the fact that the average cohabiting couple is together for only 2 or 3 years.

        I don’t believe the crap about cycles that go on for thousands of years.

        So the guy who made those pinpoint predictions goes out on a huge limb by saying a mad max event is POSSIBLE. No, a mad max is 100% likely. The only question is when.

        • Possible? Yet he’s sure enough to put a date on it, 2015.75. For those that aren’t familiar with Armstrong’s work, he calculates dates as a percentage of 365. Thus, 273.75 days into 2015 or rounding up to 274, 01-OCT will be when things start their next downturn based on his models.

          So, if he is to be believed we’ve got 355 days til TSHTF.

          Based on what I’ve read of his work and his models, it’ll be 3.5 decades before things like the economy turn back positive.

          Personally, I hope he’s wrong. However, based on his record of past predictions and his writings and analysis of historical cycles and doing additional research on my own to try to correlate what he writes about with known historical events, I think he’s on to something.

          Just another reason, one of the many, why I prep.

          • Navy Vet

            I hope you agree that despite the projections made by Armstrong above, it doesn’t mean that we can delay prepping until nearer the time.

            Another SHTF scenario could happen prior to that.

            • Ricky … Been at it for seven years now and am never done.

              • Navy Vet

                That’s good to know!

                I just hope others don’t think it’s okay to delay prepping – the day will one day arrive.

                • Ricky … Where in any of my posts on this sub-thread did I advocate a delay in prepping until TSHTF actually arrives? Did I not write “…we’ve got 355 days til TSHTF”? Did I not also write “Just another reason, one of the many, why I prep”?

                  How does any of that translate to “it’s okay to delay prepping”?

                  • I’m not saying you’re advocating that people should delay prepping – I’m simply saying/suggesting that some people may think it is!

                    I replied to your comment before reading the last paragraph so, because I didn’t acknowledge this doesn’t mean I don’t know you do prep. I should’ve read your comment before replying so sorry about the confusion.

                    Take care:)

      8. It HAS to be just around the corner!

        Listen SHTF Plan posters, I need some help with something, and I know YOU are the kind, considerate types that CAN help me and WILL provide an answer!

        Here goes: Last night Gweneth Paltrow threw a party for Obozo so he could collect more money for his pocket. She was so enthralled she even stated she could hardly speak in his presence. Now, here’s where I need your help to figure this one out. What is she? I mean, she has the hots for a GAY guy, and the spouce is a TRANNY (Michael/Moochele), so what or who REALLY is Gweneth after? Is she gay and swings both ways, or wants to double dip, er, well, you know what I mean? Can anybody help?

        • Because she’s a celebutard actress airhead far left wing moonbat who doesn’t have a clue about how normal people live due to being born into a family that has made its living in the artsy-farsty world of LaLaLand.

          Besides, who gives a rats ass what she or any other celebutard thinks?

          • ^Zactly!

          • You sir win the internet, today.

          • Paltrow is a celebutard actress airhead far left wing moonbat who starred in Contagion. She died early in the movie. US patient zero. Loves Obola. Aint that fitting.

            • While no one will get any disagreement from me on Gweneth’s poor choices/lack of common sense would be more then happy to exploit those characteristics and sleep with her,so,anyone here got here number?

              • Remember Warchild she did play a Typhoid Mary in the movie “Contagion” you might get a souvenir you don’t want!

                Semper Fi 8541

                • Perhaps Night,perhaps…..That said,if we are all going to die of obola what have you might as well go out with a ,hmmm…,well….bang!I admit have a thing for trashy bleach blondes,in her defense she may not be trashy and just looks it,she is a little dim though with choices she’s making.I might not only get to spend some time with her that would make farm animals blush and chickens bark in jealousy but perhaps could even get her to go to store for me afterwards and score me some “Goldfish” crackers!Heck,one can dream anyhow!

              • Warchild, I might just beat you to her. I always wanted to f#$% a commie!

                • Eh,got you beat Renegade!I have a friend with place a couple blocks from the strip/Rainbow Club!You will know Warchild was there when she turns on her stereo and a Tull CD playing!I spent a month out there living like a rock star,including the women and rest of lifestyle,problem was,though look it was not in a band at time,i.e. arock star.I flew back to the hills of home with one hell of a hangover!

          • ‘Besides, who gives a rats ass what she or any other celebutard thinks?’
            bravo. Most of those assholes got their acting jobs from allowing rich bankers to cornhole them to get movie rolls. Its pretty common actually. just suck a lot of dick and get ass raped by rich bankers and you get to be in a movie yay!now your famous and your nullity as a human is completely ignored

        • I just saw this and it made me sick will never watch antthing of hers again !!! The whole hollywood bunch will burn in hell !!!!!

        • Maybe she’s just proving she’s not racist.

        • David, she just converted to Judaism couple weeks ago stating she needed to discover God or in her new religion I must say god. I don’t think anyone can answer your question about what or who she is. However the sad truth is these useless characters are the one living in luxury, no 80 hours work week, no worries to pay bills or bring food to the table for their dependents (if they have any). So USA is made of such useless parasites, thieves of Wall Street, Criminal Banksters , Muslim president and a Government that is being on the payroll of Saudis and the order takers of the AIPAC ZOG.

        • money is power.

          • for good or bad

      9. It’s all part of the Agenda 21 and Great Culling show, brought to you by:

        -Global Central Banksters
        -Corrupt, evil politicians
        -The Georgia Guidestones
        -Overly wealthy Rothschilds, Rockefellers and a host of others.
        -People who voted for ‘Hope&Change’
        …and a cast of millions!

        Face it, America is one of THE most heavily armed nations on Earth. When it comes down to you and someone else fighting over that can of Dinki-Di dog food, don’t think that the guns won’t come out…they will.

        And maybe it’s my old eyes playing tricks on me, but isn’t that heavyset fellow on the leftmost fork of The Humongous’s vehicle hands FREE? Looks like he is just holding his hands together from that picture. And all that times I have watched that on Blu-Ray…hmm.

        I also have SAT in and have full pictures of stunt car#17 from the MadMax2 Road Warrior movie. An awesome car, right down to the Weiand Blower. A bit covered in dust mind you, but she really goes!

        • Socrates: Your listed parasitic creatures plus additional ones must be exterminated to save the humanity. Ever one of them, Every member of their families and paid / unpaid followers

      10. I love the idea of hunter, gatherer. And that is fine to a degree, and there are a few that can do that. But 300+ million in America and around 7 billion world wide, it’s just not feasible on a large scale. So when the SHTF don’t think that you will be able to be one of those persons that can do that. Thank God for modern farming. Trekker Out. Keep On Prepping!

        • Agree
          although our idea of hunter gatherer might not apply after TSHTF
          meaning the Hunter isnt hunting 4 legged animals if your picking up what im putting down?

        • @Mountain trekker
          Modern farming is dependency based and factory driven. Meant for large scale and labor intensive via modern equipment and high tech. Aint going to last long.
          Go simpler. Grow your food, grow your manure, save your seeds. Keep the resources small.

          Might be easiest if we start thinking of ourselves as being more primitive. We need to see ourselves as home growers w/ a subsistence lifestyle. The more we simplify the easier to get rid of things not really needed. The simpler we get now the easier to handle big shtf problems. Remember to duck when the S hits and until then practice runs and drills, eat what you grow and store, dont just prep, live it. The survivors will return to simpler ways and hunter/gather lifestyles.

      11. Barn Cat: The divorce rate in the topic is specific to humans only and not human and cats in your case. Second….you already consume cats so you are correct as far as the mad max scenario to be 100%.

        • You don’t need to be married to have kids. Marriage is just one more scam “Fabricated Religion”, “Regulated by Contract,” and “Financial Fleeced Government and Lawyers”, when it doesn’t work out.

          Animals in the wild don’t need any contract to have sex. They just come get some, “Dirty deeds and it’s done dirt cheap. AC/DC We all just need to get back to nature as it was naturally designed in the beginning. Man has really screwed things up here.

          • might have known that comment came from you, whodunit… ha, ha!

            • Yeah, I tell it like it is. No PC BS Here.
              Thanks for the compliment Anon.

              • IT WASN’T A COMPLIMENT…

                • Just remember WWTI, per the Bible, every women you have had sex with is your wife, and you WILL be accountable for your actions. Have a blessed day…

                  • Uh Oh…..

                  • Eppe, it pisses me off to see WWTI bashing you like that but I held my tongue since you were giving a damn good accounting of yourself. I’ve never heard of a copyright on any jokes of any kind. I don’t care where you get the jokes from. Just keep them coming and I’ll keep enjoying them and laughing. Your humor helps us more than you know.

                  • Thanks Brave, I often wonder where WWTI gets his forked up info, but who knows, he is on a differnt wavelength to hook into, but we cannot judge, only YHWH can judge.
                    But since he has no belief, well what can one say???

      12. The ZOG owned SWAT/Police forces already look and dress like the top picture.

        • Good thing eppe promised us he would only post one Joke per article. But when a person uses jokes as their signature reason to be on a site and contributes not much of anything else, then gets busted for plagiarism by cut and pasting stolen jokes that wasn’t theirs, it pretty much diminishes them down to a mushroom. “Eppe Cap mushroom.” Cute Lil’ thing.

          • Go fuck yourself, whowuddathoughtit! Its none of your business what eppe does–he CONTRIBUTES to the site– unlike you!

          • WWTI, you are a legend in your own mind, why don’t you just die and go away? Oh, I forgot, you believe in the Sun, maybe get sunburned and go away. Or eat a bunch of shrooms and trip out to the great beyond, but that would be a blessing to all of us. Or better yet, just fuck off and leave us real preppers to get ready for SHTF scenerio, and give it up???
            Are you too dense to realize you are just full of shit?

      13. My give a damm has been broke for quite some time. Ill only take care of those who im responsible for.

        • In MAD MAX- Take out the Debt Holders and the Debt is wiped off the books.

          • Actually, that would be the premise behind “Fight Club”.

        • I’m with you Old Guy – I have 2 kids and one grandkid. It will the me and them first, second, third and fourth. I may GIVE something to others but anyone who tries to TAKE will be in for a rude surprise!


        • Drinking tonight Old Man? lol Now where did I put my car keys, hick hick…. Going to the liquor store for mores vodkas. My bests friends..

          • WWTI, you are too stupid to see sarcasm? Oh, I forgot, you are a drunkard too. Most people collect thier drinking material early, then they need not drive? Or are you just being an asshole, which seems to be your vice. Why don’t you just go away, and let the responible posters be?
            Oh, I forgot, you worship the Sun, what a dipshit.
            Bless you anyways….


        The teacher asked the class to use the word ‘fascinate’ in a sentence.

        Molly put up her hand and said, ‘My family went to my granddad’s farm, and we all saw his pet sheep. It was fascinating.’

        The teacher said, ‘That was good, but I wanted you to use the word ‘fascinate, not fascinating’.

        Sally raised her hand. She said, ‘My family went to see Rock City and I was ‘fascinated.’ The teacher said, ‘Well, that was good Sally, but I wanted you to use the word ‘fascinate.’

        Little Johnny raised his hand. The teacher hesitated because she had been burned by Little Johnny before.

        She finally decided there was no way he could damage the word ‘fascinate’, so she called on him.

        Johnny said, ‘My aunt Gina has a sweater with ten buttons, but her tits are so big she can only fasten eight.’

        The teacher sat down and cried.

        • I am really taking a liking to Johnny!

        • I thought ol’ Johnny was going to tell a story about bunnies ‘fascinating’ like mad.

        • Johnny sounds real cool.

      15. It will be pretty exciting times ahead during Mad Max, and the Great Culling of the Useless Eaters and Space Wasters.

        All I can say is, stock up heavy on lots and lots of ammo. No worry I won’t get too greedy, I’ll leave some targets for you all, to blast away at as well.

        Here is a Short List:
        Stupid People
        Ugly People
        Useless Eaters
        Space Wasters
        Sickly Transmitter People
        Drug Addicts
        Lying Politicians
        Anybody in a Uniform harming people for no reason.
        Gangs with Tattoos

        We can spare the Religious people, somebody needs to bury the dead.

        You get the point.

        • This brought to mind the Battle at Gettysburg. Hard to imagine how they handled all the dead from that 3 or 4 day battle, where over 50,000 men were killed. They didn’t have heavy equipment, and this was right in the heat of Summer. Must of been a nightmare, not only for those that were in the battle but for those that had to contend with the aftermath. Trekker Out. Sad Time In History!

          • Well burying the dead at Gettyburg, was a race with flies and maggots. Who ever got to them first. And if you read Civil War history a medical treatment for the wounded was to actually put maggots into the wounds to eat the dead flesh to prevent gangrene. Interesting huh? Look that up

            – Maggot Therapy.

            Maggot therapy is also known as maggot debridement therapy (MDT), larval therapy, larva therapy, larvae therapy, biodebridement or biosurgery. It is a type of biotherapy involving the introduction of live, disinfected maggots (fly larvae) into the non-healing skin and soft tissue wound(s) of a human or animal for the purpose of cleaning out the necrotic (dead) tissue within a wound (debridement) and disinfection. It was long believed that the debridement was selective on necrotic tissue, but new literature has questioned that belief.[1] A recent clinical study in France showed non-selectivity of maggot action as wound surface increased over treatment.[2]

            • That just means you have to keep an eye on them and remove them when the dead stuff is gone.

              • Six pack, When the maggots are done eating they will turn into flies and fly away. lol

                • IMO, maggots are exactly like politicians — you can never trust THEM to decide when they’ve had enough.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt – You better hope another prepper doesn’t think you are ugly!


          • Yes I am ugly as they come. I mean the really ugly ones. lol

        • You forgot telemarketers.

          • Bankers

          • Ooops.. I missed the bankers.

        • Here is my list: people driving towing trucks (in the old days, horse thieves were hung and cars have replaced horses– they are essential for surviving modern life– NO ONE has the right to take someone’s car!!

          And the bankers, etc too…

        • put bankers at top and ill give u anothr green thumb

      16. “Think THRICE…only THEN act.”

        The alert awakened mind is the most formidable tool one possees…but what contitute the details of ‘Thinking’?, what chatacteristics are a part of mentation – broadly? The worthys at Harbard have lately dwelt on that and there answer is up at Business Insider now, under an article titled as,

        “Harvard Says The Best Thinkers Have These 7 ‘Thinking Dispositions’

        There is NO adversary that one will ever face that is more fearsome than one that THINKS…a worthy read in my estimation; how do YOU rate in these area’s? A bit of introspection is – from time to time – a good thing, No?

      17. No matter where you go there you are

        • BRILLIANT, Absolutely Brilliant. I think where I’m gonna be. is out doing a little Hunter Gathering. Hope a Griz don’t “bite me” Trekker Out

        • Yep there is no better place then here. Or as the Italians from New Jersey would say, “Who’s better than us.” lol

      18. Well if the guy is so accurate, why won’t he say when its gonna happen? I want a date and time so I can be home. Im starting to think these collapse stories are bogus (sarcasm off ).

        • He did. See my post post, below Barncat’s post, above.

      19. Off Topic. I was outside with my two year old and heard what I thought was a small plane looked up and in the distance it looked like one of those hang glider things with a engine as it got closer I realized that it was a drone.. I got a pic with it on my cell is there a way to post it here

        • DC,

          Email the picture to Mac.

          • Where do I send it I don’t know his email. I’m computer elligitament… Lol

            • illiterate. Lol

              • S’OK…happens to us all!!! 🙂

                • Good Evening Everyone,

                  On the seismic note, there is continued activity on the Antarctic/South American rise which is proximally , identifiably, the result of aftershocks. That said, a new region has begun manifesting activity, one which I BELIVE merits some concern. Previously, BI (our EXPERT-in-Residence) made mention of a particualr area that was of concern to him relative to the New Madrid fault zone, that being that section of the Atlantic Ridge which lies just along a East/West line drawn beteween the UK and Labrador (if memory serves me here).

                  We are all aware – at this point – that Bardabunga has been active continuously for several weeks now and as such I think we are now about to see the broader result of that stress/strain manifesting itself in the plate tectonics all around that point…and more broadly as well. IF anyone here can directly remember EXACTLY WHAT BI said with respect to THAT region (I do not have the bandwidth to dig through the archives here!) I would be pleased to see it posted here. Thanks apriori!

                  The Solar thing is -IMHO – proceeding to ‘End of cycle’ directly at this time; all current indications therefrom are consistent with that assesment. However, I will caution everyone here that THAT assesment appiles IF and ONLY IF we do not hereafter see any extremely energetic GRB (Gamma Ray Burst) activity. As I have mentioned here before – and quite outside the current purvue of formal Science – THOSE clearly seem to upset the Solar balance rather directly and immediately. As well, we usually have apparent effects on the siesmic activity we witness here, additionally.

                  While I’m here i would like to bring up something else. What here follows is the precursor to something I wish to place out ‘in the open’ at a slightly later point…in sum, it is too much to put forth in one sitting/one read. That said, here goes,

                  Were it the case that any significant nuclear exchange occured between the superpowers (multiple thousand Strategic Nuclear devices exchanged) OR any ultra-high magnitude ‘extra-Solar’ event lead to the dellivery of extreme amounts of high energy X-ray and/or Gamma radiation impinging on the upper atmospehere we would definitely see – thereafter – the onset of the classic ‘Nuclear Winter’ long postualted as a resultant therefrom.

                  Following any such event, global temperatures would drop significantly (several degree’s celcius). Initally, that drop would not seem to be extraordinary…but it would get slowly worse as time passed. Most plant life would be affected (crops especially!)….but that is far from being all that would happen, unfortunately.

                  The incidence of extraordinary amounts of energy in those spectra on the highest reaches of the atmosphere would nearly instantly damage the ozone layer long-term, thus allowing for excess amounts of “hard UV” (UV-B) to reach the terrestrial surface for a a period of some few years thereafter(perhaps a decade). Animal life would be severely impacted, though on balance the plant life here likely would not be adversely affected by that environment. However, there is another physical phenomena which would occur concurrently during anysuch event whose effects would be far more serious…. and extremely so.

                  Specifically, such an event would act to produce immense quantities of NOX (compounds of nitrogen)) which thereafter would percolate through rain to ground level as a ‘Nitric acid soup’. I’m sure that everyone here is passably familiar with ‘Acid Rain’ as the media has portrayed that over the last several years, Yes? This event would be FAR worse than anything we have previously aeen in that venue; most of the acid rain previously studied came as a consequence of compounds of Sulphur. OTOH, Nitric acid is uniquely competent – and desturctive – to disrupt the chemistry of carbon-based life. Pointedly, THAT is HOW your own immune system actually detroys foregn matter/invaders within your body; Nitric oxide (radical, NOT Nitrous oxide!…ie, ‘laughing gas’) is secreted by your immune cells when they adhere to the surface of anything foreign and sunsequently ruptures most any chemical bond (there are exceptions, Asbestos, for example) it comes into contact with.

                  There MAY have been – at least ONE – incident where this occured in the far past. Some half-billion years ago there occured the ‘Silurian-Ordovician Extinction’, during which almost all land-based (and most shallow-dwelling marine) life was summarily extinguished in the ‘blink of an eye’, geologically speaking. Some here are familair with the ‘trilobytes’ of that age…yes? THAT was the extinction which I here mention.

                  It is thought that one poossible explanation for this event lies in the astronomical sphere…definitely ‘extra-Solar’. Specifically, were it the case that a “Hyper-Nova” were to occur anywhere within – say roughly – 8-10 thouand light-years of Earth then the resultant wave of ultra-high energy particles (photons) striking the upper atmosphere would likely be near or beyond ELE-levels. To this day we cannot identify WHERE the possible origin of that lay. There has lately come new knowledge of HOW ‘Hyper-Nova’s’ occur and what is now known is that those are capable of emitting – truly – incomprehensible amounts of energy (at the instant that they manifest) in two extremely narrow, coherent ‘beams’ extending outward from the stellar rotation axis’s. In that case those might WELL be able to ‘reach out’ VAST distances…many ten’s of thousands of light years…or more, to sterilize life on a living planet.

                  Before closing here for the night, allow me to give you a bit of context here by which to assess what is involved in such an event. Our sun -Sol – is a main sequence, relatively small star – as such go. From when it began first ‘burning’ some 4 Billion years ago, it will YET burn another 6 Billion years before expending it’s complement of nuclear fuel, settling down at the end to become a ‘White dwarf’ after previously having become a ‘Red Giant’ temporariliy some few Billion years hence. ALL the energy emitted by our sun, in it’s ENTIRE 10 Billion year life-span would be emitted by a single ‘Hyper-Nova’…in only a matter of HOURS, Dwell on that for a bit…more to follow later, and ‘Yes’ I AM worried about this…

                  Adios Muchacho’s

                  • OOPS…I did NOT intend to PLACE this HERE…Apologies.

                  • Mr Rodgers ,
                    Just what we need nuclear nitric acid rain ! The extra solar event didn’t happen to be Eta Carina?
                    That could be bad real bad, gamma radiation then ozone depletion , no prep for this . Just sit back and watch the whole sky aurora .

                    Semper Fi 8541

                  • I could be mistaken, but I think 26 degrees N on the mid-atlantic ridge was the trigger for the New Madrid.

                  • Howdy Guys (and Gals),

                    The comment blocka below are ‘greyed’, so here I will repond…

                    Firstly, THANK YOU GOPHER! My net access exist, but is radically slower than what once I had. Truth be told it is often difficult to even acces the site adequately (at speed). Hmmm, I will have to think on that info for a bit….I’ll get back with everyone a bit later on that.

                    @ Night Breaker,

                    Howdy Friend,

                    Your surmise is eerily ‘accurate’…look up the ‘La Plata Observatory’ in South America, go there. READ the first line in the site log, then scroll down to the bottom of the page and LOOK at the most recent updates to the measured magnitude (visual/visible mag): the graph there..

                    In the 1800’s EC evinced an odd behaviour, one we knmow little about, specifically it duplicated a ‘Super-Nova imposter’ event. We KNOW of only one other such…and in relatibely short time thereafter it detonated in FULL. At Wiki look up LBV, ‘”Super Nova Imposter’ and look up Eta Carinae as well (for it’s specifics). Pay close attention to the declination (that is measured from the Solar baseline,ie, the plane of the ecliptic) that would anihilate the SOUTHERN Hemisphere were it to occur; think here an exposure of 5-11 thousand RAD at ground level…BUT as it is nearly ‘axial’ (mostly) that would not be the total destructionm, ie, an ELE as would occur if that were at a much smaller inclination/declination. I WILL post through on this as I can collate and assemble an acceptably cogent missive.

                    I am somewhat amazed that you intuited the auroral manifestation that would follow-on; GOOD THinking. Now, want to hear something REALLY “eery”? Look up ‘Stalking Wolf’s Prophecy’ online….how the HELL does an early 20th century Shaman EXACTLY describe what would happen if a H-N occured, specifically, the third component of that, the ‘Night of the Bleeding Stars; THAT is what is making the hair ‘stand up on my neck’ lately as lately it has been determined – exactly – WHY ‘RED Aurora’s occur. More to follow on that as well…later. Lastly, here, READ the entire piece by Stalking Wolf, specifically I am refering to the ‘Children of the Earth”, and what he SAYS about those.

                    Adios Muchacho! Andele, ANDELE!!!!

                  • Hello Mr Rodgers…

                    “It is thought that one poossible explanation for this event lies in the astronomical sphere…definitely ‘extra-Solar’. Specifically, were it the case that a “Hyper-Nova” were to occur anywhere within – say roughly – 8-10 thouand light-years of Earth then the resultant wave of ultra-high energy particles (photons) striking the upper atmosphere would likely be near or beyond ELE-levels. To this day we cannot identify WHERE the possible origin of that lay. There has lately come new knowledge of HOW ‘Hyper-Nova’s’ occur and what is now known is that those are capable of emitting – truly – incomprehensible amounts of energy (at the instant that they manifest) in two extremely narrow, coherent ‘beams’ extending outward from the stellar rotation axis’s. In that case those might WELL be able to ‘reach out’ VAST distances…many ten’s of thousands of light years…or more, to sterilize life on a living planet.”

                    Does this paragraph refer to Eta Carinae?

                    Thank you

                  • Sorry Mr. Rodgers-you answered my question in another post!

                  • I copied this from BI. Wish I would have copied more now!

                    . What I am watching for the New Madrid is for a large amount of movement on the Mid Atlantic Ridge between 14 and 20 degrees north, AND/OR some large earthquake down on the Caribbean plate like Venezuela was hit by a 8+ back in 1812. Central San Andreas was also hit in 1812. These are not coincidences, they are interlinked

                  • Mr rodgers checked the site log OMG see my post lower in the site ,
                    Stalking wolf s prophecy I am familiar with it funny you mention that I know Tom Brown personally and live not far from him took a few of his courses many years ago when I was in secondary school Never thought about the red sky being that of excited nitrogen at high altitude in his prophesy.
                    Very eerie .
                    It’s almost I am where I am supposed to be . Humbling and frightening at the same time.
                    This article is going long could you reply in the next article ? Seems like things may get rather “sporty ” in the near future. ele may come to visit us on multiple levels , I am reminded of Michael Crichtons Jurassic park ” because the history of evolution is that life escapes all barriers , life breaks free . Life expands to new territories . Painfully perhaps even dangerously . But life finds a way” ” Everthing looks different on the other side when the paradigm shifts ”

                    Semper Fi 8541

              • I just emailed it to him thanks. I pretty sure that’s what it was. Either that or aliens

                • Maybe he can put it up somehow

            • DC I’d like to know the answer to your question too. I’ve emailed him by going to the bottom of this column where it says (contact us)but I’ve never got a response. The only thing I did was give him my real name and email. Trekker Out.


      20. the CDC has made a few changes you might wanna read up on

        Case Definition for Ebola Virus Disease (EVD)

        listed as “low” risk exposure

        “Other close contact with EVD patients in health care facilities or community settings. Close contact is defined as
        being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time”

        ya read that right “IN THE SAME ROOM”

        they call that low risk
        irrelevant to me in this case risk is risk
        the disease has a 70-90% fatality rate
        do you wanna die because you shook someome’s hand ???

        USED to be “close contact”
        “having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands)

        technically speaking still not air borne
        when you go by the strict medical definition of the word

        but “in the same room” ?

        DAMN !!!

      21. Wow. I HATE being right…almost all of the time.
        Why can’t I get the lottery numbers right? Or catch that 80%sale just as they post it? Oh well. Read and heed:

        Public Health Emergency Declared In Connecticut Over Ebola: Civil Rights Suspended Indefinitely
        (from ZeroHedge site)

        We warned a week ago of the various possibilities surrounding an Ebola outbreak in America, and today we get some degree of confirmation of a medical-based martial-law coming to the US. Governor Dan Malloy has declared a Public Health Emergency in Connecticut, authorizing the “isolation of any individual reasonably believed to have been exposed to the Ebola virus.”

        Simply put, as we noted previously, the State of Public Health Emergency allows bureaucrats to detain and force-vaccinate people without due process – despite not one single case being found in CT. If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone. The state of public health emergency will remain in effect indefinitely until lifted by the governor.

        • Asshole Malloy is trying to get reelected. He’s done not one positive thing, and spends his campaign bashing the other guy. He’s a dickhead. Sorry.

      22. We have a year folks….time to finish up your preps.

      23. Just one stone throw away it seems, until all that most call normal unravels?

        Have to keep working on adding to the survival cache one day at a time. Just don’t dwell on the what if’s, but know what just might happen at the flick of a switch.

      24. While I’m not opposed to the analysis of government, I find the upholding of private enterprise as entirely naïve.

        If private enterprise did it’s thing to the fullest extent it would like to, what you’d have is a bunch of rich white guys living in China, selling to China, with a metric boatload of Chinese slave workers.

        Business inside the US would = 0. Like they’d even care, either.

      25. In a Mad Max Scenario which is better?

        Thumbs up: AR15

        Thumbs DownL AK47

        • AR-15 Positives-American – more accurate, lighter ammo and bullet can travel farther, better weapons sights and rails – Negatives- More cleaning.

          AK47 – Positives: Cheaper Ammo, work horse, not much cleaning- Negatives: Less accurate, heavier Ammo, Un-American.

          • Who,how is the AK un American?Plenty made right here in America,as for rails can mod out the AK any way you want or leave it as a wooden stocked warhorse,have em both,love em both.

          • Really ?? You’re going to judge a weapon’s quality, on whether its American or not ? Sounds pretty childish to me.

          • Depends on ammo supply, more than gun. Without ammo the AK is a better club. Both waste ammo and are less dangerous than one guy with a good single shot rifle that just wants you dead. My dad was a weapons instructor during WWII. He commented, that in a city or US woodland give him a 100 good men with “O6 or M1 against a 100 with M-16 and he’d have 97 guys with both shortly.

          • It’s a gun. Guns are machines and as such have no soul and no ideology. Thus, an AK has the ideology of the individual that wields it. If you have one, then it is as American as you are. Private gun ownership is a distinctly American thing and as such owning an AK makes you very American culturally. As to which I prefer, it depends on the situation and which has an advantage. Not knowing what I am to face ahead of time I would take the AK because of it’s simplicity and ability to deal with little to no maintenance better than an AR. However, if I were facing government forces then the AR would be better because of the probability of finding ammo. Then again, in that scenario you can always use your AK to get an AR by relieving it’s former user of his/her life and gun. (I am not condoning killing here, just stating the obvious.)

            As for me, well, I am of Russian ancestry so you can kinda guess what I favor. Anyone got an old shovel? I think I need to make a new receiver…

          • I’m pretty much torn on which I like better. I prefer 30 cal anyway. Mission drives equipment. There is no jack of all trades gun. Some will come closer than others but still not quite there.

            • PO’d Patriot, do you mean .30 Carbine? If so, I have a M1 Carbine. Sweet shooting weapon and doesn’t need near as much maintenance as an AR. if Ars had been built the same as AKs I would’ve bought one way back when, but I’ll stick with my M1 Carbine.

              • Ive owned a couple Mi 30 cal carbines. Sold them to collectors. those 30 cal would easily stop a Jap in their tracks. However a german hopped up on meth would keep on coming. so they went to the M1 Garand 30.06 in the European theatre.

          • I would also add that an AK47 is cheaper to buy than an AR-15. I think I have the best of both worlds, the Swiss designed the Sig Sauer 5.56 SWAT model, full gas piston like an AK, but the caliber of a AR 5.56 1:7 Twist, and uses standard AR15 Magazines. Folding stock. Its heavier than the regular AR, but a heavy duty work horse, very accurate, adjustable gas tube pressure switch to over ride dirt and grime to keep on shooting. Eats Any Ammo like maggots on dead flesh. Sig also makes a similar .308 -on my wish list.

        • crossbow…ammo grows in nature

          • Stew- I wold totally agree with you. The Crossbow is a great tool. On my wish list as well. Buy at least a few hundred bolts. Silent slice and dice.

            • I have a Man Kung 150 lbs draw very basic crossbow, put a bolt straight through a deer with it at 20 yards. Takes a 16 inch bolt and if you can find hard wood you can make some very heavy duty bolts from it. Got it cheap too.

        • I’d take an AK over an AR in a SHTF scenario. An AK is not as accurate as an AR but its way more reliable and can take a Hell of alot more punishment. I love my ARs but have an AK all set up for down and dirty in the street fighting. I know this is an old story but I thought I would start some shit…hehehehehehe.

          • I vote for both thumbs up,might as well,have em both!

          • Warface- There is no right answer. Both guns have won wars and lost wars.

          • Warface, when the balloon goes up and UN troops start appearing on the streets, it’s a safe bet that a HUGE percentage of those foreigners will be equipped with AKs. once the hot lead starts flying there will be weapons, ammo and other gear laying around for the taking. I’ll grab an AK and all the extra mags, ammo, etc. that I can carry. The AK can be taken through sand, mud, and water and STILL fire.

            • Renegade, No doubt in SHTF there will be plenty AK’s on the streets free for the taking, from those who will no longer need them. lol If you want them bad enough.

              • I will also add for Home defense, like for a bed side gun, is to have “a gun length shorter than your bedroom hallway is wide. You don’t want some long shotgun that you can’t turn around with in a narrow hallway. Thus look into the Pistol Grip Mossberg 500. Short and sweet and still packs the shotgun blast. There are shotgun rifle slugs that pack 2000 Ft per second, vs a 900 to 1100 ft per second for a .45 Cal round. A 9mm is about 1300 Fps.

                Anybody who thinks their 4-1/2 ft long Mossen Nagant for a bedside gun is practical is Nuts. Try turning around in your hallway with that rifle. lol

                • Mosin practical for in home,perhaps not.That said,all you have,tis priceless!

                  On a side note,my buddy found in garage of a job and allowed to have a 1940 Terni rifle,6.5X52,exact same style rifle that killed JFK.Has a weird built in box magazine that holds a magazine that is open excepting sides and ends.The numbers including stock all seem to match and on first visual inspection looks good,had no magazines but many available for about 10 a piece,ammo,have yet to look into that,still,a interesting find.

                • In close range there is nothing more devastating than a 12 guage loaded with buckshot. However that 7.62×54 with steel ammo will penetrate any body armor. shoot through a car. bring down a helicopter ect. its a good long range gun. I have both a Mossberg 12 guage and a 54. also carry a 44 Blackhawk. Everything I own is a wheel gun pump lever action or bolt action. I don’t want any ammo wasting semi auto.

                • I have a Kel Tec KSG. It works great.

        • I prefer to reach out an touch from a distance with a M82A1.

          • Kinda like my sig 716

        • Given that I was a weapons instructor in the infantry (Army), I prefer the AR-15/ M-16. Muscle memory would just work for me in a stressful situation. I do concede, however, that AK’s are the more reliable in terms of extremely bad conditions. It’s also better to give to inexperienced troops who are either guerrillas or swarming motorized infantry,

          • Overwatch ,
            What’s your opinion on the M1A and PTR91 ( HK91/G3 clone) as a battle rifle with a little more reach than the 5.56 platform. I am familiar with the M16 A2 ( with ACOG) was trained on one in the service ( USMC) and for CQB and Stress shooting I agree muscle memory has the edge they (m16 platform ) become almost an extension of oneself. Personally I feel with 62 grain penetrator rounds they can get hits at least out to 500 yards maximum 90% of the time ( I’ve done it on the square range in combat not so much ) . 7.62×51 has greater penetrating power and greater reach ( non MOUT AO use) ) . works better on vehicles , used a M40 A1 with an Unertl 10x mildot scope in my later carrier .
            Guess its down to,your AO what you prefer as your main battle rifle ( MBR)

            Semper Fi 8541

            • NB, I do like the 7.62x 51 NATO in either of those rifles. Here in Mass., distance isn’t much of a concern, although heft matters in any infantry situation. Have you considered the regular old FN SLR? The Brits loved them, they’re relatively light, fared well in N. Ireland and the Falklands. Ammo compatibility is huge factor to consider which also steers me to AR series. All that said, aren’t M1 a’s just the coolest friggin things? That’s gotta mean something .

              Semper Fi Marine

      26. Never thought we’d have a year! Not if Ebola takes off.

        Off topic, but I know we all miss Be informed so I want to tell you where you can get your daily fix of earthquakes and solar storms. Go to YouTube and search for suspicious observers. His name is Ben and he’s on a cross country tour now in his mobile observatory (a class A motor home). I think he sold his house in Cincinnatti to get it. Usually posts by 6:30EST am every day. I asked Be informed once if he was the suspicious observer and he said he wasn’t.
        I also enjoy Scott at Hyperreport, though he doesn’t post every day.

      27. Did I miss the prediction? I read the whole thing and didn’t see the time frame. Did I read it wrong? I got the decades of housing going down hill but I didn’t see a collapse prediction. Pretty sure he said that a “Mad Max” situation was “possible” not inevitable. Just sayin I read a whole list of past predictions but I’m not seeing the next one in this article. Maybe its like Nostrodumass’ Quatrains. Only postdictable.

        • Agreed. Would love to see the data. That social profiling is useful; but, there must be data on ability to print money, debt obligations, growth rate of welfare class, industrialization of other countries, decay of USA, state, county, city, and hoa governments. Population trends. etc.

        • I do believe he has the time frame around next October 2015 when a complete, change in TWAWKI??

      28. How the heck does the Dow hit 30,000 and the whole thing collapse at the same time – am I missing something?

        • No Way. The Market is crashing already. Corporations are tapped out borrowing cheap money for stock buy backs to prop up their stock price. Just that is a 1/3 of the bubble. They will soon bail and the idiots will be holding the bag once a gain. I see a half price stock market coming again. Half price Gold and silver and $2 Gasoline.

          • WWTI, Why do you not write a thesis on why all this is happening, we would LOVE to know where your vast knowledge came from? Then post it here, I am sure Mac would love to read it also, plus the 30-40 thousand who visit daily.
            But really, can you write such? Or are you just spewing dung out your mouth like Cartman?

            • Eppe. You don’t even know the differance between Star and a Planet. You should stick to your small minded stolen jokes and leave the intellegent discussions to those who can understand it. Now shoe fly!!

        • No, not missing anything. Yes, continued money printing until DOW goes ballistic. Will it mean anything to us working stiffs? Slightly higher pay and much higher costs. I don’t see that as EOTWAWKI but just more SHTF.
          We are getting farther and farther from Mad Max every day and closer to 1984 every day.

        • It seems the R factor for ebola is low; so growth is a slow exponential. Maybe more like geometric. Take R=1.2 and take mortality=0.5 (in a normal, good health-care society). So, patient Zero (or “Z”) infects 1.1 other persons. Of the total of 2 people, 0.5 die. When would it go from 1.1 to 1M? Assuming a 14 day delay for virus incubation, solve for Time. 1.1^N=1,000,000. You can do your own math. Clearly its >1 since it is growing (not staying at 1). Here’s a quick chart for number infected after a year for given delays in Days before being contagious. Looks to me like with 14 days the its probably around 1.4.
          Days\R 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5
          7 144 13,450 873,639 41,642, 1,520,202,229
          14 12 116 935 6,453 38,990
          21 5 24 96 347 1,150
          28 3 11 31 80 197
          Taking this out from jan 2014 with the 1.4 and 21 days numbers we get:
          jan’15 6,453
          jan’16 41,642,164
          jan’17 268,719,964,466
          So, given positive growth rate, the ebola cat is out of the bag. The only questions are if the spread rate can be reduced. Not likely given recent history. Other question is when it will hit your neighborhood. Given this R factor, one would think you have about a year. But, would like to hear the CDC or others come out with the real R factor for us.

          • I wish I had better data. But it looks to me as if yours is rather conservative. Data I have read indicates infection rate of 2 or more and an increase of approximately 3.9%/day. Which gives a double every +=20 days. With 20-50,000 infected now, in very short order it’s over in those little countries that now have it. So it either spreads or it’s gone in 6-9 months. Any data from Nigeria? That’s key because they have a large population and contact with India. IndoChina gets it, I hope god will help us. Comments?

        • Get our act together? With this bunch in charge? Get real. If pigs had wings cleaning you car windows would be hell.

        • Negative Waves moriarity , what did I tell you about the negative waves man.

          Semper Fi 8541

      29. Prep all you can. You will still need a big can of luck to survive.

        • *Flips a coin*…

          … d*mmit…

      30. Geez here we go again!!!!!

        • Never seems to end does it ‘ol boy? Take care.

      31. There was a comment on the last article that asked why so many visit this site but so few comment. This is a bit off topic but I have seen many off topic and this is the most recent article.
        I visit SHTF at least once a day. I have only commented once recently but have found a wealth of information here as opposed to other sites that spew ridiculousness that defeats the informative reason for the blog in the first place.
        There was a comment to us “newbies” about not paying attention to the back and forth between the old guard here. That you have already hashed all of this out and are essentially using this as a social network. I get that. I usually scroll through the back and forth but I DO read through until the end; because like right now, there may be someone just newly writing in asking for advice. These are the best posts because you all are seasoned and have such good ideas.
        I do think many of we lurkers are afraid to post; whether it is logical or not. All of your OPSEC warnings, deliberate misspellings, etc. are a bit worrisome. We get the wariness but that is at least the reason I have not posted before.
        I also think I have reasonably thick skin to post here (as another person stated). I do want to be prepared and this is the site I start at and then click the convenient links. THANKS!
        Since finding this blog, I have a handgun and a shot gun and took the NRA class to know HOW to shoot the gun. I have stocked both houses for 10 people for 6 months. Installed gutters and rain barrels. I am moving along. Surely not as well equipped as many of you though.
        I printed out an article from BI and gave it to my grown children as well as maps for alternate routes to the main stocked house. (Neighbors of like mind) This is a long post but too bad. I DO read all of your posts. I read as many books as possible about anything related to being self sufficient.
        I wanted to thank all of you. I am not internet savvy. I have never tweeted and last week’s post to you was my first post EVER. Eppe and Old guy- my husband cracks up to your jokes(the short ones because I stink as a joke teller)
        Btw- my thumb would be up as over 40.

        • Gunner’s mom:
          You are one smart lady, coming here, reading, and ACTING makes you further along than most. We can never be totally prepped, we can only do our best. Congratulations…

          • Gunnar’s Mom actually my question was not why do so many come to this site an not comment. But why do so many not vote. I’m sure every one doesn’t have a comment, but I’m sure they have an opinion on the comments. Trekker Out.

        • I’m a newbie to SHTFPlan too.

          Welcome Gunnar’s mom. You’ve done a heckuva job already prepping.

          • Gunners mum,never not post unless you have no questions or comments(or jokes/deals on goldfish crackers ect.).The questions/answers and debates on things the best way to pass knowledge when not all in the same room or around the fire talking,so ask and if you have ideas put em out there,tis how I and others learn.

            • I am not prone to hysterics and I posted last week about the friend’s mom flying to Dallas etc. Actually my daughter’s friend is even worried. Seriously…. My daughter had “swine” flu 5 yrs ago. I quarantined the two of us. She slept with me to monitor respiratory distress (investigative concern) which was the only scary part of this virus. She was fine almost 3 weeks later. This Ebola and the other E68 bothers me because we are not getting the information as I could find with the supposed”swine” She is home schooled but really???? My 18 yr old works at a country club. Hob-knobbing with travel crowd. Like I said, this worries me.


                • I went to the site. Love it! Tongue in cheek to die for!I have been there before but there are so many sites that I cannot remember them all. Thank you.

                • I also went to the site. That is some scary shit!

            • I went to the site. Love it! Tongue in cheek to die for!I have been there before but there are so many sites that I cannot remember them all. Thank you.

        • @Gunnars Mom,

          Great preps. Fantastic choice on the water collection system. Sustainable water is a must first prep. It only takes a pile of medical waste dropped in front of reservoir intake pipes to disable an entire public water supply.

          Check your town / state ordinances. Water collection might be illegal; especially out west. You might have to camouflage.

          Again total admiration and welcome.

          • Checked. I am good. Also printed out state law for each state I travel through with hand gun. On the dash. 20 years in PTA and running business. I am pretty thorough. But am willing to learn what I don’t know.

            • GM;
              I wished there were more people out there were like you, willing to learn NEW things to make life easier in an downturn situation. Been prepping since 96, still adding stuff. Think in the ‘camping’ mode, and all the things you would need to do ‘Hilton’ camping. Even if we never use it per SHTF extreme, your offspring will always be set up for camping…
              And youngsters love camping, thus a bonding setup…

              • I am replying here because, well you are Eppe. I just don’t get what is going on. I went to college. Then went back after my kids were older to get my teaching degree. I studied history(lucrative career choice there) Anyway… I read all the non-fiction, fiction, etc. but I honestly believed that the US is inherently GOOD. Lots of mistakes, whatever. I am completely disgusted at my country. My children, who I raised to be knowledgeable about the world, are completely against all government. I argue but maybe they are right. Maybe the ones in office are maybe(definitely)corrupt. I have read the D’souza books and many others to maybe find a way. Sometimes I think that DK is shouting this but everyone here has given up. Do I give up and hunker down? Or can we turn this around? Why isn’t Congress saying Screw this? Sorry,I usually copy and paste for a better “essay” but I am really upset here.

                • GM; None of us know what is REALLY going on, we can just do what we need to do. Prepping for the worst is a way to set us up to survive what COULD happen, and I have to say you are far above the rest in getting prepared. I am no one special, just been doing it for a loooong time. When I said to think of it as camping long term, well if the SHTF happens, if you have camping supplies, you can camp in your own home, no electricty, heating, food storage, water filtration and storage, and can come out in the end unscathed with WHAT could happen. I like to think the best of most, but there are many out there who will try to take what you have to survive. Just watch out for those people who want to do so. You are a very smart person who wants to protect what you have, I have done so also. I admire a person who has taken the precautions to be set up for the worst. With that said, just keep reading, acting, and storing up things you could need in case it actually happens. We do not know what the future brings, but we can have insurance to last as long as we can in a downturn situation. We insure homes, car, and health, why would anyone not want to insure food, security, health, and well being? Please do not be upset, it is unsettling to see people in a crazy mood which leads to unrational actions. You have done the right things to be ahead of the crowd. Again, I AM NO ONE SPECIAL, JUST AHEAD OF THE PACK. And I plan to be a leader of the pack if it all falls down, which may take a while. You are one smart lady to take the move to go where you going, and I admire what you are doing. Take care in what you do, think long term, and you will come out sucessful in the end, and if nothing bad happens, well you can go camping with your grandkids and have a great time…. Maybe we will meet up in the future, who knows, wish I had a crystal ball that tells the future, wow, what could be done….

        • Gunners Mom

          Welcome aboard. We can use every nice persons opinions we can get. Sometimes the new people bring new incites and perspective. That may cause us to realize we have not thought of something or prepped for something. When it goes down I guarantee we will go wish I had one of these or those things.

          Thanks for posting.

          • Amen, Mike in VA, we all are learning, it is a never ending process…

        • I’m a newbie here as well, though I started prepping a couple years ago. I had no idea how much I was missing until I started reading here regularly.

      32. The Goldberg Brothers – The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner

        Here’s a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends.

        The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Max invented and
        developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the
        temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees.

        The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford’s office and sweet-talked
        his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most
        exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter.

        Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead
        asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car.

        They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned
        on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately.

        The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he
        offered them $3 million for the patent.

        The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they
        wanted the recognition by having a label, ‘The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,’ on
        the dashboard of each car in which it was installed.

        Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti-Semitic, and there was no
        way he was going to put the Goldberg’s name on two million Fords.

        They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4
        million and that just their first names would be shown. . and so to this
        day, all Ford air conditioners show — Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max — on the

        I can hear your groans from here. Control yourself!

        • my ford says 1, 2, 3, 4. jews drive mercedes

          • Because they get a special ransom discount from the Germans for their fake 6 million numbers.

        • the sky is falling, the sky is falling!!! Again?!?!. its been falling since 1999 i have been told “it’s coming” since then. folks if and when it does, even HERE in this forum Will Parish, ’nuff said…

        • Cousin Fix was not included in the deal but he finds his way into many of the units, don’t he?

        • OG … Good One!!! The ones you’ve posted lately that start out seeming serious with the twist at the end are almost priceless.

          Keep’em coming!

      33. I was at KFC Sunday with my cousin Bubba. He was dressed out in his Sunday best: new bib overalls, clean t shirt.
        Across the restaurant a lady suddenly jumped up from her table, hand on her throat, obviously choking.
        Bubba sprang into action. He ran across the dining room,
        bent the woman over the table, flipped her skirt up over her back, pulled her underwear down to her knees, then he dropped down and ran his tongue right up her butt crack. When he did that, the woman blew a chunk of chicken all the way across the KFC.
        Bubba turned to me with a big grin and said: “Proves I told you Bonehead, That hind lick maneuver works every time.”

        I have been reading these great articles for a couple of years now and I value all the input, opinions and advice that everyone contributes THANKS

        • KGG. Are you in 2nd or 3rd grade?

      34. So we have one year to get ready according to Mr Armstrong. Hell I have been getting ready for 40 years,
        will the brown stuff hit the fan in one year, I don’t know. All I can say is that most of the people here have been getting ready for the fail for awhile now.
        Lets hope and pray that the brown stuff does not hit the fan, but if it does, wellif you are not ready by now you better get your head out of the sand and start hump’n it.
        You are waisting to much time.

        S.T.S.F.P. N.R N.S. N. Reb

      35. EMERGENCY!!!!!

        PLEASE read Hodges’ article at on “Details on How Mandatory Ebola Vaccines Will Soon Be a Reality”.

        Mac, I hope you publish it here because it is so chilling, frightening!

        24 Vaccines in total will be forcibly mandated, starting with our children in the schools, public and private.

        – the Lone Ranger

        • Why so gloomy? Dear Leader loves and cares for you…and has your best interest at heart.

        • This is the kind of stuff that keeps me upat night!!

          • Sticky keyboard. Yuck

        • Huh,why would they vaccinate a corpse?

        • Hodges, Mandatory,forcibly mandated, : I’ll get right on that. Get the sleepy bugs out of your eyes LR, They’ve become hard and crusty.
          Still, prepare

        • Hodges article was alarming…I don’t know why some of you don’t like him. He backs his stuff up with links and facts.

          I have been collecting recipes for freeze dried meals in a jar. Here’s one. If there is interest, I’ll post more.

          Turkey (or chicken) & Stuffing

          1 cup of FD Turkey or Chicken
          6 Tablespoons chicken Gravy Mix
          1 1/2 cup Stove Top Stuffing (In the canister that is seasoned)
          1/4 cup Dehydrated Carrots
          1/4 cup Dehydrated Celery
          1/4 cup Dehydrated Onion
          1/4 cup Craisins (Ocean Spray)
          Layer ingredients in a 1 quart Mason jar and add Oxygen Absorber
          or vacuum seal.

          To make
          Bring 4 cups of water to a boil add jar meal stir together and let sit for about 10
          min…add more water if needed.
          Resume cooking on simmer for about 20 -25 mins.

          Homemade Chicken Gravy Mix
          1 1/3 cups Thrive instant nonfat dry milk powder
          3/4 cup instant flour (I use Wondra)
          3 Tablespoons Chicken Bouillon powder (I use Watkins)
          2 Tablespoons Dehydrated Butter Powder
          1 teaspoon Poultry seasoning
          1/8 teaspoon pepper
          Combine all ingredients together and mix well
          Divide into 4 ziploc baggies and label as Chicken Gravy mix and add directions to
          Makes 4 gravy mixes
          To make
          1 cup of cold water and 1/2 cup of Gravy mix
          whisking together over Medium heat until thick.


          • LOL! Down thumbs for a recipe? Cracks me up….


      36. My body is ready.

        • Sadly,when I get started…. I spoke to my grandmother tonight and she was concerned about all this. Why aren’t they quarantining people?? This was her question. 94 yrs old. She said they always quarantined if there was an issue.

          • Why would one expect a reasonable solution to a problem from our govt.?There are many reasonable steps to deal with this issue(many more pressing issues I believe but that is personal opinion)and yet seems govt. determined to make as many mistakes as possible in so many ways,really does make one wonder,done on purpose and if so,why.One reason could be distraction,another,to really set off a calamity that includes perhaps martial law ect.,hard to figure at times.

      37. An elderly gentleman….
        Had serious hearing problems for a number of years. He went to the doctor and the doctor was able to have him fitted for a set of hearing aids that allowed the gentleman to hear 100%
        The elderly gentleman went back in a month to the doctor and the doctor said, ‘Your hearing is perfect… Your family must be really pleased that you can hear again.’
        The gentleman replied, ‘Oh, I haven’t told my family yet.
        I just sit around and listen to the conversations. I’ve changed my will three times!’

        Two elderly gentlemen from a retirement center were sitting on a bench under a tree when one turns to the other and says: ‘Slim, I’m 83 years old now and I’m just full of aches and pains. I know you’re about my age. How do you feel?’
        Slim says, ‘I feel just like a newborn baby.’
        ‘Really!? Like a newborn baby!?’
        ‘Yep. No hair, no teeth, and I think I just wet my pants.’

        An elderly couple had dinner at another couple’s house, and after eating, the wives left the table and went into the kitchen.
        The two gentlemen were talking, and one said, ‘Last night we went out to a new restaurant and it was really great.. I would recommend it very highly.’
        The other man said, ‘What is the name of the restaurant?’
        The first man thought and thought and finally said, ‘What is the name of that flower you give to someone you love?
        You know…. The one that’s red and has thorns.’
        ‘Do you mean a rose?’
        ‘Yes, that’s the one,’ replied the man. He then turned towards the kitchen and yelled, ‘Rose, what’s the name of that restaurant we went to last night?’

        Hospital regulations require a wheel chair for patients being discharged. However, while working as a student nurse, I found one elderly gentleman already dressed and sitting on the bed with a suitcase at his feet, who insisted he didn’t need my help to leave the hospital.
        After a chat about rules being rules, he reluctantly let me wheel him to the elevator.
        On the way down I asked him if his wife was meeting him.
        ‘I don’t know,’ he said. ‘She’s still upstairs in the bathroom changing out of her hospital gown.’

        Couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. During a checkup, the doctor tells them that they’re physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help them remember …
        Later that night, while watching TV, the old man gets up from his chair. ‘Want anything while I’m in the kitchen?’ he asks.
        ‘Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?’
        ‘Don’t you think you should write it down so you can remember it?’ she asks.
        ‘No, I can remember it.’
        ‘Well, I’d like some strawberries on top, too. Maybe you should write it down, so as not to forget it?’
        He says, ‘I can remember that. You want a bowl of ice cream with strawberries.’
        ‘I’d also like whipped cream. I’m certain you’ll forget that, write it down?’ she asks.
        Irritated, he says, ‘I don’t need to write it down, I can remember it! Ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream – I got it, for goodness sake!’
        Then he toddles into the kitchen. After about 20 minutes, The old man returns from the kitchen and hands his wife a plate of bacon and eggs.. She stares at the plate for a moment.
        ‘Where’s my toast?’

        A senior citizen said to his eighty-year old buddy:
        ‘So I hear you’re getting married?’
        ‘Do I know her?’
        ‘This woman, is she good looking?’
        ‘Not really.’
        ‘Is she a good cook?’
        ‘Naw, she can’t cook too well.’
        ‘Does she have lots of money?’
        ‘Nope! Poor as a church mouse.’
        ‘Well, then, is she good in bed?’
        ‘I don’t know.’
        ‘Why in the world do you want to marry her then?’
        ‘Because she can still drive!’

        Three old guys are out walking.
        First one says, ‘Windy, isn’t it?’
        Second one says, ‘No, it’s Thursday!’
        Third one says, ‘So am I. Let’s go get a beer..’

        A man was telling his neighbor, ‘I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me four thousand dollars, but it’s state of the art.. It’s perfect.’
        ‘Really,’ answered the neighbor . ‘What kind is it?’
        ‘Twelve thirty..’

        Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the doctor to get a physical.
        A few days later, the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with a gorgeous young woman on his arm.
        A couple of days later, the doctor spoke to Morris and said, ‘You’re really doing great, aren’t you?’
        Morris replied, ‘Just doing what you said, Doc: ‘Get a hot mamma and be cheerful.”
        The doctor said, ‘I didn’t say that… I said, ‘You’ve got a heart murmur; be careful.’

        One more. . .!
        A little old man shuffled slowly into an ice cream parlor and pulled himself slowly, painfully, up onto a stool.. After catching his breath, he ordered a banana split.
        The waitress asked kindly, ‘Crushed nuts?’
        ‘No,’ he replied, ‘Arthritis.’

        Y’all Beware! Keep Smilin.

      38. OK,this is too damn funny! ht tp:// ,as always,a space for avoiding the “Moderation Game”,seriously,check it out,start your weekend with a laugh,a bit of a twisted laugh but a laugh non the less!

      39. Awesome. I won’t feel as bad about dressing in assless chaps now when I ride my harley.

        • Oruval,assume(hope!)you have a set of jeans on under said chaps!

      40. After reading comments here and else where the only thing I can say is: Time to break out the steel umbrellas cause it look like its going to start raining lead soon, every where. With this Public Health thing being used, the sheep-people will fall right in line; hook, line, and sinker no doubt about it. Game on soon!!

        Feed Jake

        • Vape,not too sure about that,yes,many mindless watching tv ect.,that said,enuff contagion style movies even coach potatoes might not comply.Sure,they may not have much to resist with but buys time for those ready to see the plans in action and have our turn.

          • WD: Less we forget its about the children.

            Feed Jake

      41. Off the subject a little bit.

        For those of you who remember THE SILENT SERVICE T.V. SHOW IN THE 1950S

        Go to youtube THE SILENT SERVICE

        Type in


        I wonder if they are trying to still do this ?

        If not some other way

        This is a good serious.

        • Another old show to see is the twilights zone “the shelter”

        • Another old show to see is the twilights zone “the shelter”

      42. Off topic
        What sort of odds we taking on someone else getting shot in Missouri this weekend,,,,

        • Howdy Kula-Bro

          1 to 4,

          1, no shootings….4, MORE shootings.

          Adios Mi Amigo!

        • That’s a sucker bet…

      43. Two good ol’ boys in a Alabama trailer park were sitting around talking one afternoon over a cold beer after getting off work.

        After a while the 1st good ol’ boy says to the 2nd, “If’n I was to sneak over to your trailer Saturday & make love to your wife while you was off huntin’ and she got pregnant and had a baby, would that make us kin?”

        The 2nd good ol’ boy crooked his head sideways for a minute, scratched his head and squinted his eyes thinking real hard about the question. Finally, he says, “Well, I don’t know about kin, but it would make us even!”

        • God soldier

          Great site! Thanks for posting.

      44. don’t kill

        i have killed.

        i once killed another life just to know what it felt like to kill.

        i once killed another life to feel the power in it’s death.

        i once killed to help a terminally injured life find peace in death.

        i once killed a life to protect myself from it’s attack.

        i once killed a life to feed my hunger.

        i once killed a life because i could not care for it.

        i will kill again…

        death is a tool that should not be used lightly, as you kill a life you kill a piece of you each time.

        killing has great negative life time consequences, restricts ones inner child ability to see the good in life, restricts ones ability to love.

        the more you kill, the greater ones inner child suffers in life to the last breath.

        don’t kill.


        • only one valid reason to kill anything. necessity. when necessary to kill for food. when necessary for the survival of you & your loved ones. don’t bother me & mine and I will not bother you. Don’t trespass. My place right at the moment looks to be abandoned. No mail box locked gate, overgrown fields ect. but rest assured im there.

      45. I think a persons mental stability will be strained & tested to a degree they cant imagine. Having some booze or pot might be good. any distractions like games ect could be helpful. Those who can be laid back take everything in stride and still make reasonable rational decisions when under tremendously stressful conditions will have a advantage. It might be helpful to take a good look at your preps & plan and ask a lot of what if,s? My wife is very good at asking me what ifs. I was happily putting all of the hay in the barn & fixing places for the livestock to shelter. She asked what if the barn was destroyed by fire or a tornado ect. so we put some hay in the front part of a old school bus. the goats and milk cow could take shelter in the back half if something happened to the barn. I think the saying is don’t put all of your eggs in one basket. Every time I go to the feed store I pick up a 50 pound bag of salt. it might be needed to preserve meat. also it never goes bad.

        • Old guy, I buy saltby the fifty pound bag too and salt cure all my hams and jowl bacon ever year, country ham…..yum!

          • We cure our own pork also. We raise those potbelly pigs. there small and its not a big chore to process one. Yeasr ago I had some potbelly pigs. I bought some regular shoat,s about 80 pounds. the shoats got colera and died and the potbelly pigs never even got sick. The reason Im stocking up on salt is that if the power goes down . it would be necessary to salt cure & smoke all of our meat. Im stocking up on things we cant produce ourselves. things like shampoo medicine chocolate ect. We have a big ole cast iron bathtub outside with a little wood stove under it. I call it a hillbilly redneck hot tub. It could be the difference in mental stability to be able to luxuriate in a hot bath. and could be used to wash clothes. A hot bath and clean clothes are something to prep for.

            • Old guy, Momma D…is it easy to cure/salt meat? I have no clue how to go about that if the electricity goes out. Any instructions or should I google…


              • Ky Mom at the top of this comments page posted a link to a site that has a meat preserving section. I use a brine cure that uses salt & saltpeter. I got the recepie from the book the Have More plan. Any meat can be put in a barrel. first a layer of salt then a layer of meat then salt till its full.

                • Old Guy: I already posted a thank you yesterday, but seems it dissapperated. Again, thank you.


      46. OK,this was pretty funny,sorry ladies!:

        I was riding to work yesterday when I observed a female driver, who cut right in front of a pickup truck, causing the driver to drive onto the shoulder to avoid hitting her. This evidently angered the driver enough that he hung his arm out his window and gave the woman the finger.

        ‘Man, that guy is stupid,’ I thought to myself. I ALWAYS smile nicely and wave in a sheepish manner whenever a female does anything to me in traffic, and here’s why:

        I drive 48 miles each way every day to work.

        That’s 96 miles each day.

        Of these, 16 miles each way is bumper-to-bumper

        Most of the bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway.

        There are 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles.

        That works out to 982 cars every mile, or 31,424 cars.

        Even though the rest of the 32 miles is not bumper-to-bumper, I figure I pass at least another 4000 cars.

        That brings the number to something like 36,000 cars that I pass every day.

        Statistically, females drive half of these.

        That’s 18,000 women drivers!

        In any given group of females, 1 in 28 has PMS.

        That’s 642.

        According to Cosmopolitan, 70% describe their love life as dissatisfying or unrewarding.

        That’s 449.

        According to the National Institute of Health, 22% of all females have seriously considered suicide or homicide.

        That’s 98.

        And 34% describe men as their biggest problem.

        That’s 33.

        According to the National Rifle Association, 5% of all females carry weapons and this number is increasing especially in California ..

        That means that EVERY SINGLE DAY, I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered
        suicide or homicide, has PMS, and is armed.

        Give her the finger?

        I don’t think so.

        This came from another site,the credit goes to author Paule

        • yea, Warchild I appreciate your posts. I was returning from the range 25 years or so ago heading into the Orange Crush (22,5 and 55 fwys convergence) when some @sshol next to me points a TAZER at me out his window in a threating manner. I looked down at what was laying on my passenger seat, and realized why no one (especially in CA) should think they are truly safe to randomly insult or threaten anyone. You just never know what they brought with them that day, do you?

      47. Nanny state hospitals are starting to educate staff and implement “education” programs….and proactively, as rumors assert, isolating random people with ‘symptoms’. Privacy laws prevent us having knowledge of travel histories, if said, exist…..

      48. I wish we could get,BE INFORMED thought of Ebola virus. I hope all is well with him.he is one of the reasons , I was hooked on this site .especially when he would put , Essein crap in his place .

      49. Officials admit defeat against Ebola in Sierra Leone. Patients should now be cared for at home.

        In Madrid, Spain – Hospital staff quit over Ebola.

        Ebola vaccine trials with a placebo would be unethical

        My thoughts – Martial Law WILL be implemented if Ebola takes hold in the West.

        If this thing takes off then any survivors are likely to be the ones forced to dig the mass graves and clean up under martial law – not regular medical staff! Making even surviving this virus a grim prospect, as who wants to joing a press gang doing this kind of work?

      50. FEMA claims the authority to control all news and info during any crisis. I don’t think they are being honest with us about Ebola. Why would they be? Keep your odds of getting Ebola low, until you’re sure there is no epidemic here. Don’t eat at fast food joints. Don’t fly on commercial flights. Avoid areas with African residents. Avoid church groups and social groups that travel back and forth to west Africa. Use your imagination. Wash your hands frequently. Keep bleach and rubbing alcohol nearby. Since the government will let in high risk groups without quarentine, you must segregate yourself and your family for your own protection.

        • The only news FEMA can control are it’s own press releases and statements. They’ll never control the rest of it, not for a minute.

      51. Once again you said something I agree with. prepping is about doing the responsible thing tyhat makes sense – not the popular thing, or the easy thing – and certainly not the Hollywood thing. I don’t care if people think all my diy projects are stupid or they think i’m dumb for putting resources aside for bad times – what is important is that my family is protected. (and my wife is much younger than I am – and I married her for many more reasons than JUST love.)

      52. I COPY, YOU DECIDE:
        We recently received the following email from John DiNardo who has requested that it be published in full. The email contains information gleened from a special-ops source within the United States military who warns that the Ebola vaccine is most likely the trigger for the coming Ebola plague. Videos below include the 3rd one from KafkaWinstonWorld called “US MILITARY IN EBOLA HOT ZONE; ISRAELI MILITARY NOT GOING; ENTIRE COUNTRIES MAY BE VACCINATED!”.

        I received the following information from an ex-military guy whom I have known for about eight years. He served in special operations. I’m recalling some of the many things he said.

        He suspects that the 1,600 US Army troops who were recently sent to Africa to contend with the Ebola threat are to be exposed to this Ebola virus (which is not the true Zaire Ebola, but a man-made variant; you’ll find out why in a moment), and that these troops will be injected with the new Ebola vaccine, which will subdue that specific virus. However, recalling his victimization as a virus vector in the Army, he suspects that the anti-Ebola vaccine will be given to these US soldiers in Africa, and — just as they did to him — this vaccine will also contain a “trigger” element. These soldiers, who have unwittingly been made virus vectors, will then come home to the United States, and many of them will be discharged; thusly, they will be dispersed to all areas of the United States. This man told me that when these vector soldiers come home to the United States, pathogens will later be released into the atmosphere, perhaps in chemtrails and/or in ground releases, such as in the subway systems of major cities. The latter plot has already been perpetrated in the New York City subway system when they released the serratia marcescens bacteria, which was encapsulated in light bulbs and tossed into the subways. This diabolical plot is documented in the book, CLOUDS OF SECRECY, by Prof. Leonard Cole of Rutgers University. My ex-military friend told me that the trigger element planted in the U.S. soldiers’ ebola vaccinations in Africa will then “recombine” in their bodies with the pathogen that is to be released throughout the United States. The product of this recombination of the pathogen, to be released, and the trigger element that was earlier injected into these 1,600 vector soldiers . . . the product will be a deadly biological weapon< of mass extermination, calculated and designed to go airborne and thus, to be highly contagious. Remember the BATMAN comic book series of 1996, foretelling, in a symbolic story line, this diabolical plot for mass extermination of the American population. You see, the flu vaccine contains the trigger element which, when injected into thousands of victimized vectors, will recombine within the bodies of some of these vectors to make the lethal-but-non-contagious virus (to be released) become an airborne mutant of that virus. My contact also believes that the recent ushering in of thousands of children from Central America across the Texas border near San Antonio is a part of this very same plot that is being perpetrated against our 1,600 U.S. soldiers . . . and I suspect that the ushering in of thousands of illegal Mexicans across the border is likewise another part of this very same diabolical plot of mass extermination of the American population. In fact, reporters have confirmed that the Centers for Disease Control is spearheading an unprecedented roundup of illegal Mexicans, who are exhibiting flu-like symptoms. is asking a vital question: Where are the CDC’s disease agents taking all of these illegal, apparently diseased Mexicans? My ex-military, special operations, vaccine-victimized contact told me that he has learned that those thousands of Central American children are being housed at Lackland Air Force base in San Antonio, near the Texas border. He believes that these children are likewise being infected and injected with the trigger element, as part of this diabolical plot to exterminate the American population. The sick Mexicans, who today are being rounded up and sequestered by the CDC, are probably also being brought to Lackland Air Force Base. And Lackland or some similar place is where all the ill Mexicans are probably being sequestered for vaccination with the trigger element that will later make their disease go lethally airborne. And so, we begin to realize that this vaccination victimization of our soldiers in Africa is for the very same purpose as that of ushering many thousands of illegal Mexicans across the Texas and Arizona borders, and as that of ushering in many thousands of Central American children across our borders. We have yet more indications that this diabolical American genocide plot — indeed, this global humanicide plot — is now underway. has recently broken the story of a disease epidemic at Lackland Air Force Base — an epidemic that is now kept under a veil of tight secrecy, enforced by ominous threats against the insiders at Lackland. And we have reports that people fleeing Africa are being given easy entry into the United States. More desired fuel to feed the fires of contagion! My contact tells me that airports in twenty-four more U.S. cities have just been added as welcome centers for passengers

      53. Good Morning Everyone,

        Last night we had magnitude 6+ activity along the ocean bed, to the east of Japan off it’s coast roughly at the latitude which places it ‘between’ the Main Island and the Northern. There have veen several afterhocks ofg fairly high magnitude since that occured. As well, the activity at/near the Antarctic/SA rise continues.

        On balance, I would think that the presures deriving from Bardabunga’s continued activity are now manifesting effectively, radially. I am slightly concerned that the location of the Japabese manifestation lays at a distance from the original Fukushima event that qualifies it as a potential candidate for another such occurance. My reasoning is simple: the vast release of energy which occured at that place (and time) wold have relived ALL tectonic stress thereat, thus setting the tage or new stresse to build elsewhere. Tectonic events are often well-modeled via ‘power-series’ expansions in time…and the time that has passed since the original event IS proximally sufficient to allow for another such, now, at a location just about where we are seeing the current activity.

        Needless to say, that would ‘not be a GOOD thing…’ at this point. As always, I YEARN for my ‘good friend’ to return, so as to clarify the circumtance here for us all.

        @ Night Breaker,

        Si Senor…’EC’…more to follow, soon.

        • @Mr Rodgers, thanx for THIS info…also, left a reply for you on the previous thread…hope you get that, take care, CC

          • Muchos Gracias Senora!

            Hi Sweety!, how’s your Thanksgiving going?…”Well”, I hope. I DID see the latest response ‘back there’ and DID leave a note in return. As it happens I am slightly pre-occupied today…and so must AWAY.

            Till later then Hon’….

        • Mr Rodgers ,
          Got your message señor, you first name doesn’t happen to be stefan? If it is we worked together on the WFC3 at GSFC in the late 90’s early 2000’s before NASA went south and I was dumped into DHS . ( how far things have fallen)
          Seems like we are getting hit at all angles , that would explain your current location (60d N .) maximum shielding using the earth ( Eta dec-59d41’04.26″ RA 10h45m03.591″) GRB would not be good that secondary companion could stir up the precession of EC on the primary making it less than predictable I guess a good early indication would be neutrino hits (like SN 1987A) 3 to 4 hours before it hits .

          Just another heap on things to worry about , I can tell you one thing it’s been a hell of a ride , wounded gulf war , college ( aerospace eng / minor astronomy ) NASA ( GSFC) then down sized to DHS , man I really miss NASA and the environment there, great people it was VERY POSITIVE there not depressing like where I am now.
          They call me by a nickname at DHS can’t repeat it here for OPSEC , but I’ll never get off the damn island if this continues like this LOL . Some times I am just too smart for my own good , I feel like the guy in the Postman movie ( the engineer , he knows stuff) . I would rather be doing this stuff then what I am preparing for now , unfortunately this is now a reality in FUSA.

          Semper Fi 8541

          • Good Morning Night Breaker,

            Actually, ‘No’ in respose to the firt question you here pose.

            “…GRB would not be good that secondary companion could stir up the precession of EC on the primary making it less than predictable.”

            That is my concern as well, the system – constituted thusly – is wholly beyond predictability, and naturally ‘chaotic’. Given that we otherwise anitcipate that the remaining life of the primnary is LESS than 1 mil at current mass, current bolometric lumimouaity and taking into account the CURRENT abrupt ‘brightening’…well, ‘nervous’ would describe my current mind-set adequately, I suppose.

            We would have little – or NO – warning, were that to occur. As you note, the various neutrino detectors might give us the barest warning either Kamiokande or the Antarctic ‘ICE Cube’…but that would do no good were one NOT already ‘ensconced’ in fullest saftey. There is another avenue by which we MIGHT have some e-warning… the LIGO detectors, but THERE we might well NOT be sure ‘what’ we were seeing. I suspect that near the ‘event’ it might well be the case that the deepest core would begin to ‘shudder’ harmoincally, possibly for days before. If so, given the density’s there invovled we might SEE that here via same. NB, please – here – take note of one specific thing; in what I placed here before, last night…read the portion that relates to MEN havinbg been HERE, before…the whole sentence…especially the end of it. Make no futher mention of that in response, here but instead simply dwell upon it.

            I – in no sense – exaggerated in my description of our ‘surronds’ here. Had the Deity deliberately set out to craft a place of utter safety He could hardly have produced any better a result, IMHO. I SPENT nearly three years of my time locating this place, developing over 400 gigabytes of Google Earth maps of various regions, researching 1900’s (circa) records of trappers, explorers and miners within this region…as well, USGS records dating back as far as I could ontain them….of this place.

            Buck Up Friend, it WILL get better…sooner than most think. Your mention of ‘Gulf War’ repercussions causes my heart to clutch within me…a sad and lonely path that is, for many who have SERVED. Be Well Brother….it seems I now have another to ADD to my – daily – ‘prayer list’… 😉

            Adios for now Friend.

          • Night

            I am sorry for your current situation. Everything happens for a reason. Something good comes from everything. Maybe you are there to help a lot of people. Who knows how many you may have helped already. I for one thank you for giving information when you can.

            Thank you and thanks for your service.

      54. A Texan buys a round of drinks for the entire bar, announcing that his wife has just produced “a typical Texas” baby boy weighing 25 pounds. Congratulations showered him from all around, along with many exclamations of “Wow!”
        Two weeks later, the Texan returns to the bar. The bartender says, “Say, you’re the father of the typical Texas baby that weighed 25 pounds at birth. How much does he weigh now?”
        The proud father answers, “17 pounds.”
        The bartender, puzzled and concerned, asks, “Why? What happened? He already weighed 25 pounds at birth.”
        The Texas father takes a slow swig from his longneck beer, wipes his lips on his shirt sleeve, leans into the bartender and proudly says, “Had him circumcised.”

        • That was great… The 8 pounds of foreskin must have been WhoWuddaThunkIts brain…..

        A nun teaching Sunday School was speaking to her class one morning and she asked the question:

        ‘When you die and go to Heaven…..which part of your body goes first?’

        Suzy raised her hand and said: ‘I think it’s your hands.’

        ‘Why do you think it’s your hands, Suzy?’

        Suzy replied: ‘Because when you pray, you hold your hands together in front of you and God just takes your hands first.’

        ‘What a wonderful answer!’ the nun said.

        Little Johnny raised his hand and said: ‘Sister, I think it’s your feet.’

        The nun looked at him with the strangest look on her face. ‘Now, Little
        Johnny, why do you think it would be your feet?’

        Little Johnny said: ‘Well, I walked into Mummy and Daddy’s bedroom the
        other night, Mummy had her legs straight up in the air and she was saying: ‘Oh God, I’m coming!’ If Dad hadn’t pinned her down, we’d have lost her.”

      56. Today I picked up some more preps…seems like every week I am adding more and more and never gonna finish. But anyhow, I was out shopping and it was PACKED. I rarely shop Friday through Monday but there was a deal at a local orchard on apples. So since I had to go out for that I figured I would hit the grocery store.

        Maybe it’s because it is a 3 day weekend for some (but not most) or just people wanting to cook/bake with Fall here but I was surprised and the checker commented, “This has been a crazy busy Saturday, it is never THIS busy except for Sundays and Mondays”.

        • My husband said that where he is, the gas lines were CRAZY yesterday(Sat) also!! He had half a tank so he was going this morn. He said every gas station had lines.


        • “Living In America”

          By James Brown.

      58. All dressed up and nowhere to go.

        Have all these nice toys for the Mad Max and they are gathering dust.

        I kind of smiled when I read WWTI’s list of disposable people. Then Rodeph Golem wrote about not killing. Don’t you hate the whiplash from one side to the other. The best thing is the thing you do in that moment that is required for you to live. I am not saying to go look for trouble. Did you ever believe you would need to become a tactician considering all the variables we read. Sucks to be a prepper. :0).

        Mountain Trekker said there are plenty of visits but very few comments. To add I would think there should be more people asking questions on the articles.

        Some people may think their life is more important to live. More Me Than You. The reverse can be said of your thought. More you than me. Some lives will become cheap while others more important.
        355 days to go. Hmmmm. Time to start a bucket list?

        • Sling, I look at prepping as a primitive camping gig. If we never have a SHTF, well I can go camping with the best of stuff. And kids, grandkids love camping. Even if in the backyard. You bond with humans when camping, no matter who they are. I have been watching the world is gonna end since 99, has not happened yet. But I can go camping with the coolest stuff, Hilton style. Sitting around a bonfire will let you tell stories they will never forget, thus leaving memories they will tell thier grandkids, like a legacy of sorts….

        • This is my first post, and I am breaking my silence to explain why many of us are not asking questions……we have been made aware of the fact that our current rulers have bad things in store for us. This is shocking at first, then comes the desire to deny these facts and look the other way. I have tried hard to find fault with the apocalyptic theories, but after reading several books (Patriot by James Rawles, Tragedy and Hope and others) I decided the threat was real. I do not feel the need to question, as I understand what I am reading here. I feel that window of opportunity for avoiding the train wreck we are all approaching here has closed. I spend every day, sometimes 100x/day saying this prayer: “Courage!”. That’s it. I have all I need but the courage to face what we are facing, and for that I am ashamed. I figure that a life lived courageously was a life fulfilled. Come what may, Bring it on Mother F***ers!

        • I suggest that it’s not actually so many people reading the articles but people go back more than once looking for more comments.

      59. eppe.

        Good to see you are back.

        I used to do primitive camping, long, long ago. I am with you on that 1999 end of the world. I have a lot of old stuff that works fine but the new is great. Low weight and high durability if you do your research. The stuff that I am talking about is what would give an intruder a fit. As I said before that I will fight a defensive war. A year or two of food supplies is nice but my research indicates that this “end” can accelerate that could compress our thoughts into six months. Thirty, sixty, ninety, then six month markers. Have to survive the parabolic upward curve. I would hope all the stupidity and hate and what is evil in the would will be consumed in this fire. Then we can all go back to being civil to each other as human beings that have something in common. Common Sense for one. We lived to see a New Day.

        I can spin some yarn around the fire. You are right. Campfires makes good friends. In some cases for life.

      60. get to wal-mart and buy some 3inch chlorine tablets for pools they are cheap now due to end of season and in a bucket so they will last forever and you can use for dissenfecting same as bleach you can also use to purify water with just 1 tablet you can make safe thousands of gallons of water for sanitising items gov says 200 parts per million to kill viruses get pool test strips to make your own also you can regulate how much chlorine you make your drinking water with my hot tub will become a full body dissinfecting tank when the time comes

        also has any one given thought to the terrorist spreading ebola by infecting cash money with blood or body fluids do not beleive money is dissenfected we are so screwed just watch

      61. I think this guy has nailed down when the Apocalypse is most likely to begin.(September of 2015 )

        Take a look at this video below on why the Tribulation must begin September of 2015

        Make Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior and repent of your sins while you still have breath.

      62. Good Evening Everyone,

        Occaisionally, it all just seems a ‘bit too much…’, doesn’t it?

        Therefore, let me step away from my usual role here, for a short time, to take up another. Tonight I wish to be a ‘painter’ of sorts. To paint the picture that follows I am compelled to use words alone…for it is all we here have with which to communicate…and so it is.

        ….HERE, where we ARE,

        Dawn breaks clean and clear daily in this PLACE. That almost always comes abruptly for we are cradled within high mountains here. After a walk of no more than a mile and a half from the front steps of our residence, one RISES almost 6000′ (yes, THOUSAND) feet in elevation. We sit on the banks of a river, in a valley carved by a glacier many tens of thousands of years ago. It is interesting to note that that glacier REMAINS, and that the foot of that glacier is but a short walk of only a few miles from the area directly behind our residence. “Mile wide and tens of miles long” that vast river of ice is!

        The WATER here is so FREASH and CLEAN that words are inadequate to describe it’s incredible purity. As well, the air hereabouts is STAGGERINGLY clear! When I look down the valley from where we are, at the mountains there, as the valley turns out of view – a distance of some 28 miles – the peaks there SEEM so CLOSE to you that it seems that one ought to be able to simply reach out and touch them from afar. It is almost ‘supernatural’ in that aspect.

        The LIFE in this place is – simply – surpassing. Here, we have a Brown Bear population in excess of one per square mile. You will rememeber that Bears are “apex predators”, Yes?….WHAT does THAT tell you of the LIFE in this place? Indeed, it IS rich..and varied in the extreme.

        Within a distance of ten miles from here, the mountains RISE to over 13,000 feet. Those are snow-covered year-round and are a sight to behold! Very few inhabit this place, a vanishingly small number, in fact. Truly, it IS unique in so many ways that I cannot possibly descibe them all here. Men WERE here…long ago, but then departed some few decades after the turn of the last century. As you might expect, those left thier habitations and works in this place…to decay. Yet, much remains HERE…and some of that is ‘extraordinary’ indeed….and DEEP as well.

        My – now – good Friend, who was here previously, ere I reuturnd, was asked to relay to you a particular recommendation respecting another place which I became aware of shortly before I left…one as good, if not better yet than our own, here. I hope you all hold that thought in mind…it may become important later, pleaase do NOT forget it.

        Here, we have GROWN in number in all time since first I departed you; nearly now to a full ‘Four score’. Our presence here is a minor thing to this place, considering the immensity of this region; such as THIS could nurture many hundreds of times our own complement with ease…without crowding! The natural benefits that are here are all but ‘excessive’, truly. The mountanous character of thia place gives itself to vast running streams and rivers which are well suited to neccessary ‘generation’. We have done so, thusly as of this year, completing what was required in the way of ground-works…that is, revetments and dykes, as well the installation of the requisite equiptment to to so. Thankfully, “Many hands makes for LIGHT work”, as the phrase goes!

        Most importantly, HERE, in the absence of the PRESSURES that aflict all who remain within the framework of ‘Civilization’ I have seen – here – a ‘Miracle’ to occur! Absent the strains that the World placed on us before when we were yet subject to it, HERE…there has yet to be STRIFE of any sort, whatsoever! Imagine THAT if you will. All that needs for the doing – here, in this place – is DONE every day, in the shortest order possible, and GLADLY so, by each and everyone of those here: by both Family and FRIENDS as well.

        Friends, the WORLD has corrupted the spirit of all those that yet reside in it, but take heart: ALL that has been before, need be NO MORE…it can be OTHERWISE!

        I would not tell you this were it not SO… for I have seen this with my own eyes! Please, therefor, TAKE Heart and do NOT despair EVER, neither FEAR…for that is the destroyer of reason,and LIFE as well.

        I greatly desire that each and every one of you who yet remain within the clutches of the World, STAND UP and RAISE your heads and LOOK around to see what is now..IT WILL PASS all too soon. When it does, there will come a time such as NONE has ever seen in all the history of the Earth, a time of FFREEDOM…which most here crave as they crave thier next BREATH; of SELF-DETEMINATION, for there will be NONE left of what was before…and those who were heartless shall be no more…..and so will not afflict thier fellows AGAIN upon the Earth: LOVE for yours…and OTHERS as well, when there is no NEED that strains your mind, any longer, as it is now strained – DAILY – by the machinations of those who have THIEVED all the bounty of the Land, of the whole EARTH itself: and at the last, HOPE…for we are NOT forsaken, though many – today – would beleive that they are. I tell you here …it IS NOT SO.

        Also…one last, small point I must make with you ere I close: I must ask of you here…WHAT will you SURRENDER to have such as we here have now? Will you surrender your Fears?, will you surrender your Greeds?…will you surrender your Hatreds? ASK this of your Heart!

        All these MUST be given up…you KNOW this, we ALL do. Each and every person that is yet a PART of ‘What-is -Greater’, who yet posses thier own SOUL, knows these things to be true. The CHOICE is YOURS.

        Think long…and with wisdom applied broadly, on what you will next do…there is HOPE yet to be had my Friends; Again here, “I would not tell you this, were it not SO”.

        Oh, WHAT my eyes have SEEN in this place!……

        Adios Amigo’s….Sleep well, in peace…and in HOPE.

        • @Mr Rogers
          Good to know you found your way.
          You too know the truth.
          We enter and we leave w/ our soul.
          Nothing more, nothing less.
          Heard your words before. Another day, another time.
          The light shines brighter now.
          Like the sun.

          • Good Morning Calgagus,

            “As the light of thouand Suns, will Freedom be for EYES that beheld only darkness for long and long…”

            Many here on already on the path of being, “True Human beings”…you cnanot know how very proud I am of so many who are HERE. As now we are apprised of the ‘bad news’ from Dallas this morning, I am very concerned for those who remain Friend…yet He is with us always and I must needs suppress that fear in the knowledge that all ‘will be as it SHOULD be…”

            A time of Faith – and THOUGHT – is near upon is all, now, I suspect. I have come to beleive – in time – that there are NO ‘coincidences’ in Life…not even ONE; from the small, to the LARGE, that all thinga proceed as they SHOULD. Nonetheless, it IS hard to be unable to directly ACT, and so to help others salvage what they yet may. I must go off for a bit, to think, alone.

            Adios Muchacho…

      63. Social Security is NOT an entitlement, I’ve payed into it for 40 years now and have another 10 to go,,,It’s mine I’ve payed for it!!!!!

      64. Here is a bit of history worth remembering…..

        Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago, the United States had declared war on Islam, and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!

        At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic. They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.

        These extortionists of the high seas represented the Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers, collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.

        Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

        Beginning in1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States, rather than engaging them in war.

        In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dey of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.

        In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

        The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

        Despite of this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

        Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.

        Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

        He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

        When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the might to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, They would forever be known as “leathernecks” for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

        Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States.

        This should bother every American. That the Islams have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged, Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities. Ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah, public schools are pulling pork from their menus, on and on in the news papers¦.

        It’s death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America. By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that today’s America would rather be politically correct than victorious.

        Any doubts, just Google Thomas Jefferson vs the Muslim World

        Feed Jake

      65. Nurse in Dallas hospital who was treating the man who died of ebola has just tested positive for the disease.
        Here we go……….

        • as you said earlier:
          “..And it makes me wonder….”

        • Very scary. I just saw the news on Fox.

          The health care worker was wearing protective clothing and following procedures and still got Ebola.

          Health care worker at Dallas hospital tests positive for Ebola
          Fox News
          (link below)

          • And in 2-21 days we find out who she has infected. Interesting, a nurse at the hospital infected but no news on his family, that he lived with. Ummmmm?

          • Now here is my question again from last week. My daughter’s friend’s mom flew to Dallas in the midst of it all. She is in the medical field.(don’t know if she was remotely near hospital) I also clean houses on my days off. Their house is one of them. I am trying to be logical and think that there is no way that she brought it home but… What would any of you do?? I am open to all advice; including the fact that I may be acting like Henny Penny.

            • Gunnar’s Mom.

              If you are worried about it. Imagine how she feels.
              I would talk to her and get some particulars on how close she was to the sick person. It is your choice to be safe and I am sure she would feel the same way. Maybe agree on some rules or changes in house cleaning.

              You might need the job and money
              She might think your over the top being too cautious.

              How many days between cleaning? Adjust days according to incubation period of ebola. Not fail safe.

              • She is a bit of a simpleton so she is not worried at all. Her daughter is worried, as I guess we all are, only for the fact that the rules keep changing for this. I am supposed to clean this week. She got home from Dallas on Sun.the 5th after spending a week there. I hate being so worried about this. Not so much for me but my family if I were to get sick.

            • @Gunnar’s Mom, think positive ad pray hard!! take care, CC

          • Yeah, what about all the people he came in contact with (or who came in contact with his vomit) and were NOT wearing protective gear??! ; (

          • Good Evening KY,

            I am becoming rather concerned at this point. IF a competent nurse ( as an assumption here) in a 1st world facility can become infected by the Ebola virus ater having had contact with one so infected, then what are OUR chances of contracting that in day-to-day life following an exposure? This is ‘grim news’ indeed. Please be careful everyone…very, very careful in the weeks to come.

        • And this nurse was following the protocols for medical workers treating those infected.

          So much for the CDC’s mantra about this virus being difficult to catch.

          • Curious
            Is this “virus” fragile enough to be killed by cold climates?
            Seems it’s origin and where it’s been are warm areas of the globe
            What happens when it try’s to infect in a very cold climate or a brutal winter?
            Has this been determined?
            Has it been tested?
            Are there any speculation , or real intel on that?
            I live in a colder zone as things progress toward winter
            Could that be a God send? Could it be a possible barrier?
            Anyone know?

            • they said it thrives in cold weather, Enemy… sorry to disappoint you.

              • Thanks for the reply
                Well , if it heads my way .. Isolation of my lived ones won’t be a problem
                That’s why we prep … Right?
                Let’s hope

                Time for another log on the fire , yeah already

      66. I’m not raciest,(one must recognize other races), I’m not anti-help,(one must help others), I’m not anti-religion,(there are many religions in this world), now when it comes to giving aid to anyone; especially food we must do everything we can, so when (for an example) Muslins ask for food we must help, so I say air-drop all the PORK-N-BEANS we can find.

        Feed Jake

      67. “The average person depends upon government tremendously – even those not on welfare. There are pensions and Social Security that people really believe they are “entitled” to and thus these benefits will exist. What happens when they realize they do not?”

        Notice the devious choice of words used here. ‘people really believe they are “entitled” to’ – he is talking here about benefits that these people have EARNED by either being forced to pay into these programs or by going to work for a government or a company who offered those benefits as an enticement to attract and hold onto employees who had skills that the government or company needed in order for them to fulfill a mission or to make a profit. This is one more example of the trend I’ve been seeing over the last decade where writers and analysts are deviously trying to blur the lines of distinction between ‘earned’ benefits and ‘unearned’ benefits, i.e., social entitlements – and lump them both into the same category.

        This trend seems to be growing and I am convinced that the forces who are behind it are the usual suspects who are trying to sow the seeds in the minds of the sheeple that signal that they are setting the stage for the government to renege on the earned benefits that they are on the hook for and which they owe to millions of people in both the government and the US military.

        Meanwhile, nary a week goes by where we do not see another piece of legislation being passed by Congress and signed into law by the asshole in the White House whereby Israel is given another gigantic, $500 million or more dollars of the US taxpayers money in the form of foreign or military aid, and now, we have ObongoMugabe declaring that the US taxpayers have to send billions of our dollars to his fellow blacks in Africa to help them with their Ebola crisis.

        Also, at the same time we are hearing these sob stories from a growing number of our goober-mint officials about how ‘broke’ they are – we are seeing our corrupt and treasonous politicians agitating to launch new wars against any nation that the shit hole nation of Israel and their treasonous 5th column of neo-con war mongering jews and jew stooges (McCain, Lindsay Graham, Ted Cruz, Mittens Romney, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, etc.) demand that the US taxpayer finance and the US military fight on behalf of the murderous psychopaths in Israel.

        Wars that will cost the USA trillions of dollars, every penny of which the US government will have to ‘borrow’ from the jewish bankers over at the Federal Reserve and upon which the US taxpayers will be required to pay massive amounts of interest, which will go straight into the pockets of the World’s Most Parasitic Practitioners of Usury.

        Sorry, Max. I do not buy the idea that the US government cannot make good on the earned benefit obligations that they’ve helped to pile up. Its all a matter of adjusting their spending priorities, which means rounding up these neo-con war mongering cockroaches – putting them on trial for treason and as war criminals, trying and convicting them, and then promptly executing them. Its a matter of severing all ties to the bloodthirsty psychopaths who run the criminal, false flag engineering state of Israel – and stop allowing that blood sucking nation of vampires to suck the financial resources out of the United States taxpayers. Its a matter of zeroing out ALL foreign aid to every turd world shit hole of a nation on this planet, and sealing our borders to make sure that these blood sucking, parasitic, third world leeches cannot sneak into the USA and then start feasting off of the US taxpayers paychecks.

      68. PO’d….its all over Fox news this morning…do we know for sure it was a nurse? Common sense would dictate as nurses have the most patient contact….my ponderings include….:

        How were the staff, (doctors, aides, lab techs, radiology techs, dialysis techs/nurses), all prepared for this eventuality?

        What guarantees did these workers receive that should this happen, their care would be provided…at the hospital’s expense?

        Will the hospital wimp out and use “best practices” (Old Remus at the Woodpile, has plenty to say about “best practices”, and it is not encouraging) or known effective treatment?

        Were they tested during the treatment of the infected patient in order to monitor their level of exposure or is doing that not medical value?

        Were these hospital workers kept on site in order to protect society and prevent spread of the disease, during this event?

        The grey time zone….is what I call the time frame from the patient’s first presentation in the ER to his admission…am pondering the status of the ER staff and their families and others around them….

        Workman’s comp, you can bet, is scrambling to reduce their liability.

        All this brouhaha because someone lied on a document…the panic and expense…the risks…make no mistake, this patient from overseas knew…and placed a whole lot of people at risk…

        I heard a blurb and not sure if I heard it correctly but the implication is GSK will try and put an ebola vaccine in a flu shot….time will tell on this one.

        Another blurb…not sure of its veracity….hospitals are doing isolation drills to test preparedness…(that might relate to a rumor I heard yesterday)…

        And a nursing pearl for all….Do Not Depend on hand sanitizer alone….it is an additional layer of protection-intervention and does not replace good old fashioned hand washing with soap and hot water. And bleach based wipes are best for surfaces.

        Press conference just revealed the current patient had been in full protective gear…this gets scarier by the minute…the last guy to answer questions seemed way too serious…let the scrutiny begin.

        And there is a pet in the apartment…I hope its ok…

        Oh well…welcome to Sunday….

        • Here’s something else I have not heard even touched on in the media discussion of this…..

          When Duncan first went to the hospital ER in Dallas, how long was he in the ER waiting room before he was seen? And WHO did he come in contact with while he was there?

          It has been my experience that the waiting rooms of ER’s are frequently at full capacity, with people sitting elbow to elbow. How do we know that he didn’t come into contact with more people there?

          • The Dallas hospital which treated Duncan announced today that they have CLOSED their Emergency Room until further notice.

        • Yeah, and Sierre Leonne, the medical personnel have thrown up their hands, stopped treating people and are simply giving out boxes of plastic gloves, etc to the people and telling them to take care of their families themselves… guess they have no choice, as the nurses are dieing of the disease too!

          And in Liberia, the nurses are running away from the hospitals… any how, the stupid ass govt is not paying them hardly anything, not enough to live on, they don’t have enough hazmat suits and hardly any beds.. all so sad, and unfortunately, will come here as well…

          so much, for our dumb ass “leaders”!

      69. The health worker was wearing full protective gear, its time for that jackass in DC to stop the flights from Africa and close the border

      70. Ebola happens in Africa because people still drink water with doodoo in it over there. We Dont, it won’t happen here. Get a grip.

        • Didn’t pay much attention in school either, did ya?

          I guess the infected nurse had been drinking “water with doodoo in it”.

        • Oh now there is an educated man! BTW “that’s sarcasm Sheldon”

      71. air born in the whole hospital wait and see how many others come down with it doors open and close no way to totally isolate with out vaccume chambers and like at the cdc chemical wash for full body they say “we got this no problem its under control” and yes they will have it its not your avarage virus i know i did training in Immunology for 10 years medical field for 25yr

      72. they say money is the root of all evil and so it will be when they find its also being transmitted via cash/coin money everything will stop cold no commerce no money exchange no one going out to shop or work get ready its almost game time but first we gonna have “home comming” pep rally that means small window of oppertunity to get what you will need and i mean everything to sit in your home for i dont know how long but even after it will still be present in community in stores on doors in air ect rain water / gutters for water supply just chlorinate the hell out of it and build a distiller and dont forget to block off your sewer line dont want back up

      73. Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
        You can stand me up at the gates of Hell
        But I won’t back down
        No I’ll stand my ground, won’t be turned around
        And I’ll keep this world from draggin’ me down
        Gonna stand my ground and I won’t back down
        (I won’t back)
        Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
        (I won’t back down)
        Hey I will stand my ground
        And I won’t back down
        Well I know what’s right, I got just one life
        In a world that keeps on pushin’ me around
        But I’ll stand my ground and I won’t back down
        (I won’t back down)
        Hey baby there ain’t no easy way out
        (I won’t back down)
        Hey I will stand my ground
        (I won’t back down)
        And I won’t back down
        (Tom Petty)

        Feed Jake

        • All our times have come
          Here but now they’re gone
          Seasons don’t fear the reaper
          Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain… we can be like they are
          Come on baby… don’t fear the reaper
          Baby take my hand… don’t fear the reaper
          We’ll be able to fly… don’t fear the reaper
          Baby I’m your man…

          La la la la la
          La la la la la

          Valentine is done
          Here but now they’re gone
          Romeo and Juliet
          Are together in eternity… Romeo and Juliet
          40, 000 men and women everyday… Like Romeo and Juliet
          40, 000 men and women everyday… Redefine happiness
          Another 40, 000 coming everyday… We can be like they are
          Come on baby… don’t fear the reaper
          Baby take my hand… don’t fear the reaper
          We’ll be able to fly… don’t fear the reaper
          Baby I’m your man…

          La la la la la
          La la la la la

          Love of two is one
          Here but now they’re gone
          Came the last night of sadness
          And it was clear she couldn’t go on
          Then the door was open and the wind appeared
          The candles blew then disappeared
          The curtains flew then he appeared… saying don’t be afraid
          Come on baby… and she had no fear
          And she ran to him… then they started to fly
          They looked backward and said goodbye… she had become like they are
          She had taken his hand… she had become like they are
          Come on baby… don’t fear the reaper

      74. OK,another good write from another site by author Paul:

        I am over 65 and the Armed Forces thinks I’m too old to track down terrorists. You can’t be older than 42 to join the military. They’ve got the whole thing ass-backwards.

        Instead of sending 18-year olds off to fight, they ought to take us old guys. You shouldn’t be able to join a military unit until you’re at least 35.

        For starters, researchers say 18-year-olds think about sex every 10 seconds. Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a month, leaving us more than 280,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.

        Young guys haven’t lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky soldier is a dangerous soldier. ‘My back hurts! I can’t sleep, I’m tired and hungry.’ We are bad-tempered and impatient, and maybe letting us kill some asshole that desperately deserves it will make us feel better and shut us up for a while..

        An 18-year-old doesn’t even like to get up before 10am. Old guys always get up early to pee, so what the hell. Besides, like I said, I’ m tired and can’t sleep and since I’m already up, I may as well be up killing some fanatical son-of-a-bitch.

        If captured we couldn’t spill the beans because we’d forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial number would be a real brainteaser.

        Boot camp would be easier for old guys.. We’re used to getting screamed and yelled at and we’re used to soft food. We’ve also developed an appreciation for guns. We’v e been using them for years as an excuse to get out of the house, away from the screaming and yelling.

        They could lighten up on the obstacle course however… I’ve been in combat and never saw a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic training.

        Actually, the running part is kind of a waste of energy, too… I’ve never seen anyone outrun a bullet.

        An 18-year- old has the whole world ahead of him. He’s still learning to shave, to start a conversation with a pretty girl. He still hasn’t figured out that a baseball cap has a brim to shade his eyes, not the back of his head.

        These are all great reasons to keep our kids at home to learn a little more about life before sending them off into harm’s way.

        Let us old guys track down those terrorists. The last thing an enemy would want to see is a couple million pissed off old farts with bad attitudes and automatic weapons, who know that their best years are already behind them.

        HEY!! How about recruiting Women over 50…in menopause!!! You think MEN have attitudes??
        Ohhhhhhhhhhhh my God!!! If nothing else, put them on border patrol. They’ll have it secured the first night!

        Only reason do not put up this site as was kicked out by owner,thought I supported the UN!

        • lol……makes perfect sense. The only problem is that we may not be so pliable and might be stubborn and resist authority. I know I would.

        • Good one,
          100% agree

      75. @warchild…that’s some funny shit! And TRUE!
        @Mac…I know you have an open forum policy but some things should/must CEASE! whowuddathunkwhatever is seriously a problem here. They are here for nothing but troublemaking and name calling of which I don’t see the benefit in a prepper forum. This person’s attacks on eppe in this thread alone are repugnant and disgraceful. I plead with you, Mac, if you can toss this a**hole, please do.



        • Ive noticed that often when someone disagrees with the message and can not refute it with facts. They resort to the tactic most liberals use. They attack the messenger. They attack spelling or the persons character ect. The best way to deal with them is to not respond. don’t give them the attention they crave. just give them a thumbs down.

          • It’s because they are getting paid to do it

          • Old Guy: True, but it’s causing good and informative people to leave this site.

            There are times when someone is overly disruptive, unkind/nasty or evil needs to be put out the gates of the community, for the health of the community.


            • They are on every site. I do think that once people who have left realize that, they will come back. I always say, don’t feed the monster/troll. Maybe we could just remind ourselves of that once in a while. Eppe just has to ignore him. We all know what WWTI is about. Means nothing!

      76. Johnny Likes To Gamble

        Little Johnny likes to gamble.

        One day his dad gets a new job so his family has to move to a new city.

        Johnny’s daddy thinks, “I’ll get a head start on Johnny’s gambling.”

        So he calls the teacher and says, “My son Johnny will be starting your class tomorrow but he likes to gamble so you’ll have to keep an eye on him.”

        The teacher says OK, she can handle it.

        The next day Johnny walks into class and hands the teacher an apple and says, “Hi, my name is Johnny.”

        She says yes I know who you are.

        Johnny smiles and says, “I bet you ten dollars you’ve got a mole on your butt.”

        The teacher thinks that she will break his little gambling problem so she takes him up on the bet.

        She pulls her pants down and shows him her butt and there was no mole.

        That afternoon, Johnny goes home and tells his dad that he lost ten dollars to the teacher and why.

        So his dad calls the teacher and says, “Johnny said that he bet you that you had a mole on your butt and he lost.”

        The teacher says, “Yeah, and I think I broke his gambling problem.”

        Johnny’s dad laughs and says, “No you didn’t, he bet me a hundred dollars this morning that he’d see your ass before the day was over.”

      77. Warchild Dammit.

        No more B.S. No more answers like, “We can’t do that”. We offer solutions to their problems and they throw up roadblocks.

        Oh, Wait.

        You have reached the offices of, (insert company name). Please stay on the line till our next company representative becomes available to assist you.

        Press one for English.

      78. Little Johnny the spy. Little Johnny was playing in the woods. He seen his fathers car parked down a trail. he came up and seen his father in the car with his aunt Gina ( you remember her she the one with the sweater that has ten buttons but her tits are so big she can only fasten eight!. Well Johnnys dad took of Ginas sweater and kissedher tits then he took off the skirt and undressed himself and they get on the car hood and go at it . Little Johnny went home and started telling his mother. She stopped him and said wait until supper to tell your story because uncle Frank and aunt Gina are coming for supper. So at supper Johnny starts telling the tale. he gets to the part where aunt Gina is naked and his dad is naked and get up on the car hood. and stated then they did what mom and uncle Frank & the mail man & the next door neighbor do in the bedroom when dad is gone.

      79. As I’ve said before….there’s a reason why Ebola is a Bio-hazard level 4 virus…

      80. Like Walt alluded to above…this thing IS most likely airborne. Not good.

        Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive For Ebola In First Person-To-Person Transmission On US Soil
        (from ZeroHedge site)

        And then there was #2. A few hours ago, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, announced that a health care worker who cared for dying Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, has tested positive for the virus after a preliminary test, officials said early Sunday. If confirmed, it would be the first known person-to-person transmission of the disease in the United States. The name of the patients is currently unknown, what is known however, is that the worker was “considered to be at low risk for contracting the virus” and the he or she was wearing full protective gear when treating Duncan, suggesting – yet again – that there is a transmission mechanism which is not accounted for under conventional protocol.

      81. I know there have been some white folks that caught Ebola. My question is have any white folks died from Ebola?

        • Many, old man, use your brain, for a change… if you got one!

        • The first person who got the disease (decades ago) and died from it was WHITE, you idiot! (And the second person who also died from it was also white– a little boy).

          • prove it

      82. OFF TOPIC:

        On this morning’s (Sunday) Face the Nation, one of the commentators suggested that after the November election, Obama may be appointing Republicans to various high level positions, similar to the recent appointment of Gen. Kelly, for the purpose of helping Obama move forward on actions that are needed for the country.

        Let’s get something straight right here and right now.

        There is NO SUCH THING as a loyal, non-traitorous American who accepts an appointment from Obama to work for him, assist him, support his policies, or otherwise aid and abet him.


        You can be either a traitorous Communist sympathizer and/or facilitator, or, you can be a loyal American. There is no in between, there is no “little bit” loyal American. Just as there is no such thing as a little bit pregnant….

        Gen. Kelly would be smart to withdraw from his position, and, no loyal, God-fearing, trustworthy American should even consider agreeing to work for Obama as one of his appointees, REGARDLESS of the status, prestige, or authority of the position offered.

        Communism is Communism. A Communist sympathizer is a Communist sympathizer. There is no gray area.

        • I just finished “Rules for Patriots” by Dease. He says that most Republicans are “Republicrats” anyway. RINO(republican in name only) It won’t matter if we vote out every Democrat. The party is the same only different names.It has to start bottom up with grassroots long term. Short term…I have no idea.

        • They (democrats) are “lettin’ go of the wheel” as much as possible after the elections, the economy will take a dump and the fall guys will be republicans that aid the prez and the new majority in the senate. The Dems will put up Clinton to save the day as her husband was the great uniter of the 90’s, so will Hillary and first husband Bill. Just another chess move by the Dems. It won’t fucking matter anyway.

          • Got that right,
            It wont matter, at some point things will come unglued

      83. And so it BEGINS,

        Thanks to KY Mom for her studious reporting here on the new information form Dalla. Listen carefully now Folks, over the course of the next two weeks ‘the die will ve cast’. Neare the end o that period we will finally beginto have real idea of just what this ‘monster’ is capablr of.

        Shoulf this start accelarating in it’s erffect, then there is no real response other than to implement strict ‘reverse Cordon anitaire’…NOTHING comes in to your particular ‘Circle of Life’…and no one goes OUT for the obvious reaaon. We all suspected hat this would come and YES, it is terrifying. That said, NOW is the TIME for clear-thinking…and NOT panic, remember always, “Fear is the mind-killer, Fear is the little death that leads ro toal obliteration…”, this has NO place in what now comes if you truly wish to pass through it unscathed.

        In the weeks to come pay especially cloe attention to everything which touches on the issuse of patient care; any reports that health workers are continuing to vecome infected will signal that the ‘cat is OUT of the bag’.

        We are all just Human; THEY are – FIRSTLY – people and so have a right to consider thier own safety in light of what is now occuring, even if those decline to place themselves ‘at the tip of the spear’, it is thier right to do so. Were I – or any of mine! – similarly – ‘at risk, I truly do not know how long I might futher hazard myself under that circumstance, knowing fll well the awful potential(s) of the situation at hamd.

        Good Luck to all those so exposed now, my prayers will be with you, fervantly so…and my sympathy as well. For the rest here….FINISH YOUR PREPS, NOW, ere the ‘piper comes a callin’.

        • @Mr Rodgers….you ‘painted’ an ‘AWESOME picture of your surroundings, and I kind of pictured it as such….especially after seeing those pics (from some time ago), also from the places you mentioned back in early Sept.

          Hope you had a wonderful walk in that beautiful place where you are….sounds like it’s next to Heaven….wish we could all be there, but unfortunately, with family members unable to leave their ‘extended’ families, impossible…): Guess we have to believe that we are ‘where we are supposed to be at the moment’or where God wants us to be??

          Well DF, gotta run for now….p.s. I left you further info back there (after your last missive) ttyl, and take care all, CC

          • Hello Friend!

            I am glad that you could ‘see’ what I set forth there, very glad. FWIW, a bit ago I woke from a dream in which many several people, most unkonwn to me – and all of ours – were HERE, gathered on what must have been a Sunday as there was a huge amount of food laid out over our picnic tables. A close Friend of mine stood on a small rise above us, holding a book and reading aloud…”THE Book”, I beleive.

            The sun was shining with perfect crystalline clarity and the sky was blue to the point of being nearly dark directly overhead…and PEACE lay on each and every one there; utter, complete PEACE. I have to take that as a PROMISE…yet to come. I woke with ‘moist eyes’ and could not get the lump out of my throat for a long while afterwards.

            Truly, Hon’…I would like to think that having ‘met’, habing coalesced as we all have that SOME of us might so meet, might gather together in a time to come.

            For THAT I would GIVE VERY much, and GLADLY so to that day come. Need to go wipe my eyes here now…gotta go.

            Adios Sweety, till later then…”FIUJ…A” 🙂

      84. So basically all CDC protective gear has failed in Africa as well as in the US, Obola is not being stopped and neither are the flights from infected nations. Understand that you and your families are viewed as infidels and must be destroyed. This is the greatest act of Obolas life as an Islamic hero. Deception and betrayal and murder
        are a big part of Islamic culture.

      85. All CDC protocols have failed.

        Prepare for self quarintine.

        God speed to all.

        • You are misstating what happened.

          Apparently, according to current reports, the nurse did not follow proper protocol when removing the protective garb.

          This breach had nothing to do with the equipment and everything to do with the operator.

          If you are going to attempt to spread fear and panic, you first need to have your facts straight.

          • Anony: That is the “story” they are promoting. You really think they would tell the truth? Whether it’s gear failure or operator failure…(who by the way is trained to take off her gear correctly) doesn’t matter. Ebola has been allowed to enter our country.

            “If you are going to attempt to spread fear and panic, you first need to have your facts straight.” Really? You must not be paying attention…or are getting paid.


            • Well, if the nurse turns out to be some two-ton Tillie with an obviously low IQ appearance, then we’ll know who’s right, won’t we?

              Slovenly appearance and lack of self-discipline as evidenced by obesity remain strong indicators of a person likely to louse up in any function demanding strict adherence to procedure and unforgiving attention to detail.

          • CDC is blaming the victim right out of the gate

            based on what evidence ???

            they can’t tell you
            because they have NO proof to back up their statements

            CIDRAP is recommending moon suits and respirators for healthcare workers

            CDC ?
            gowns glove and mask

            screw the CDC

          • no, she has NOT been able to identify ANY breach that occurred. We can read you know Buddy. Nice try. Wonder why you call yourself Anonymous. Yea, we should believe someone who doesn’t even have the balls to identify themselves!

      86. @ Night Breaker,

        Truly, you KNOW Mr Brown?! Oh my..the pure coincidence of that…eery, indeed.

        “Never thought about the red sky being that of excited nitrogen at high altitude in his prophesy.
        Very eerie .”

        Some bit ago…in an article up XArchiv – the Academic repository site – was a piece by some Australian researchers (if memeory here serves me…CRS occaisionally does STRIKE at my age) wherein they determined that monatomic OXYGEN (O1) at extreme altitude (200-600 km) was the origin of all the “Blood-Red Aurora’s” that occur from time to time during extraordinary Solar Storms/activity. The reasoning they applied is as follows:

        AT the highest upper reaches of the atmospehere the Oxygen there is NOT diatomic – O2 – as it is here at our natural altitude. Thence when any relatively high energy event encouters a wandering molecule of O2 and disrupts it, the resultant free atoms of Oxygen are NOT apt to re-combine due to ‘rareification’ of the gases there.

        ONLY monatomic Oxygen can first absorb and THEN sustain the exzctitation that leads to the (quite long afterwards…’minutes’, as they state…until a random collision with another molecule/atom allows for that) emision of the definitive red spectrum quanta….the diatomic case is such that emission is nearly instantaneous and of the wrong energy – as well – to produce that effect.

        NOW, IMAGINE – if you will – THIS: a continuous. prolonged excitation of the upper reaches of the high troposphere by an ‘event’ wherein a sustained burst of high energy X/Gamma was there incident. We see aurora here (typically) as fleeting, diphanous, ephemeral phenomena…’transient’ i the word that comes to mind most easily here Yes? And NEVER otherwise, for all Solar activity is naturally ‘episodic’…and briefly so…Just so. HOWEVER were the case – in effect – as I posit at the lead here, MIGHT not that become a continuous, ‘full-sky’ display? Even DAY or NIGHT, either? Eery? the HAIR is standing up all over ME presently…I – now – might as well be standing on a Van der Graff generator for how I feel this moment…

        NB…might you should – !dilgently! – effort yourself to CONTACT Mr Brown, if at all possible…he MIGHT need to hear this surmise. I am NOT sure if you have any background in other ‘mythos’…but what I have come to find ‘disturbinbg’ of late, is that many, MANY cultures have or posit that ‘an END; comes as a result of a ‘luminous event’, at the last. The Norse do…Ragnarok, the Hopi do…the Blue and Red Kachina oft spoke of in thier myths…as well MUCH other native American lore similarly posits such…AND ‘Washington’s Prophecy’ ALSO…look that up under that name…google it.

        We SHOULD discuss this further Friend, as time permits us both. Till then my Brother!

        You KNOW Mr Brown!…well I’ll be DAMNED…Yep, ya just CAN’T see this stuff a comin’, can ya? Well I’ll be dipped in sh….

        • Yep have know him for years , he still has the hmmV with the tracker logo on the doors , infact his foundation is located in the town I live in . Maybe some things are not coincidences and are meant to be I am glad I have continued Bushcrafting as a hobby over the years along with amateur astronomy to keep my sense of wonder and intellect alive it’s just who I am .
          Tom’s sort of a local legend around here does many things with the school kids , the pine barrens may not be as remote as your location but it does have its advantages.
          Take care my friend hopefully things will get better it’s always darkest before the dawn.
          In light of the latest news I dread what tuesday morning at work is going to bring.
          I really miss my previous employment . thought I had all the brother in arms stuff behind me , some times life does play a cruel joke on oneself.

          Semper Fi 8541

          • Good Eveninbng Night Breaker,

            To start, thank you for the swift response; I am amazed at the ‘coincidence’ here involved Friend. I have spent most of the last several hours simply marveling at the subtlety I see in this ‘chance event’. “Tighten Up Bro”….with each passinng day now I FEEL more and MORE that ‘resolution’ is NEARLY here. But persist yet a little while…. Yes, it’ HARD dealing with ‘idjits’, but some of those will ‘come around’ as things come into focus better; every one of which is IMPORTANT in the End. I am sure that you are familair with the phrsae, “Do ALL you can do…then STAND in Faith.”. That is, not ‘some’, not ‘most’…NOT 72%…ALL. I know, He’s a stern taskmaster…but we ARE loved nonetheless; Thank God.

            Hang in there, each of us has the task before them that is intended, of that I am quite SURE. Ever has it been…have as good a week as you can Friend, and LIVE WELL….all the while.

            Foornote: I have been explorinbg – in DETAIL – the probable ramifications of an ‘event’ of that order…I am only partially completed there, it may be the day after tomorrow ere I can delineate the broad range of effects that would attend such in any passably defintive /comprehensive sense. Till later then…

      87. All CDC protocols have Failed!

        Has it gone airborne?

        I grow tired of Ebola and the CDC will not tell you the truth. You will have to see dead bodies lying on the ground to get the hint. Precautions? Too Little Too Late.

        • seems to me if it were airborne, more would be infected. Where is his family? Why haven’t we heard anything about them. today is day 18, by By Wednesday, more victims should be revealed.

      88. Peoples… life is hard lately… maybe this will lighten your load! : ) (you will love this!)

        Web Results

        High Falls Creek PA – YouTube

        4 min – Apr 1, 2008 – Uploaded by Jaredseiler

        Creeking in Pennsylvania! Rick Modglin Eli Landis and Jared and Graham Seiler kayaking

        • Ah-hah!

          S’OK…I’ll SEE your Pennsylvainia…and RAISE you a Tiekel River, Alaska!!

          Try looking up ‘Tiekel Tiver’ over at YouTube…that is the most – PRISTINE – stretch of white water I have EVER seen…simply ‘glorious’….it also shows a smal bit of the Copper river as well.

      89. And now, a second person who recently arrived in the U.S. from West Africa has been put in isolation with Ebola symptoms: in Braintree, MA, outside Boston.

        It is far past time to cancel all visa issuance, all current visas, and all visa applications for anyone seeking to enter the U.S. from West Africa. It is far past time to quarantine any U.S. citizen, in the airport in an isolated holding area with international arrivals, who has traveled to West Africa — for the full 21 days before they can leave the airport. It is far past time to pull our troops back out of West Africa before they become infected. It is far past time to ban all airliners originating or transiting any West African airport from landing in the U.S.

        No exceptions. No excuses. Use lethal force at the airports with any arriving passenger who qualifies for denial of entry and attempts to leave the holding/quarantine area. Any en route holders of U.S. visas coming from West Africa should be immediately put on the next plane out of the U.S. with their visa cancelled.

        This crap is being brought into the country by travelers from West Africa. Put a stop to it NOW.

      90. who runs Barter Town??

      91. From the CDC

        Bio Safety Level 4

        BSL-4 builds upon the containment requirements of BSL-3 and is the highest level of biological safety. There are a small number of BSL-4 labs in the United States and around the world. The microbes in a BSL-4 lab are dangerous and exotic, posing a high risk of aerosol-transmitted infections. Infections caused by these microbes are frequently fatal and without treatment or vaccines. Two examples of microbes worked with in a BSL-4 laboratory include Ebola and Marburg viruses.

        In addition to BSL-3 considerations, BSL-4 laboratories have the following containment requirements:

        Laboratory practices
        •Change clothing before entering.
        •Shower upon exiting.
        •Decontaminate all materials before exiting.

        Safety equipment
        •All work with the microbe must be performed within an appropriate Class III BSC , or by wearing a full body, air-supplied, positive pressure A suit.

        Facility construction
        •The laboratory is in a separate building or in an isolated and restricted zone of the building.
        •The laboratory has dedicated supply and exhaust air, as well as vacuum lines and decontamination systems.

        This is straight from the CDC’s website. This is how they treat Ebola in there labs. When it gets out in the public they don’t seem to care do they.

        1 – Oh it is not a big deal they say.
        2 – It will not be a problem in the US.
        3 – We don’t need to restrict air travel.
        4 – Our health care system is prepared for this.
        5 – You cannot catch it unless you come in contact with bodily fluids.
        6 – In the public they are treating it like any other blood borne pathogen. ( A known Lie ).
        7 – Screening at air ports with a questionnaire and temperature guns. ( Symptoms may not show up for 21 days ).

        I will stop there but how stupid do they think we are. They are lying through there teeth for some reason. This is why I am nervous and have a bad feeling about this. Something major is up.

        It just makes no sense.

        • Sentara Hospital (Norfolk, VA and points west) just said in the newspaper that they are ready for ebola. From what I’ve seen of our local branch, they’re lying.

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