This Is a Monster: Sunspot Now Larger Than Jupiter… Continues to Unleash Solar Flares

by | Feb 11, 2014 | Headline News | 498 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    As most Americans go about their daily lives without care or concern for what’s happening around them, 92 million miles away a catastrophic threat may well be in the making.

    In January, the NOAA identified a sizable sun spot dubbed AR 1944. Within hours of warnings being issued about the potential for this particular region of the sun to cause earth-directed coronal mass ejections it sent an X-class solar flare our way. While powerful, that particular flare and the subsequent M-class flares were not strong enough to cause any significant disruptions on earth.

    But as the spot rotated to the other side of the sun things got interesting… and ever more dangerous for the people of earth.

    AR1944 has since been renamed to AR1967, and the region is now more active than it was in January. According to sky photographer John Chumack, AR1967 has grown considerably. It is now wider than Jupiter. That’s big. So big, in fact, that you can fit over 100 earth-sized planets into it.

    (Credit: John Chumack – Sunspot AR 1967 – Galactic Images) calls it a monster:

    “The massive sunspot AR 1967 is now wider than the planet Jupiter and is very active,” Chumack told in an email on Feb. 4. “Yesterday no less than seven M-class solar flares have erupted from this region.”

    The sunspot group AR 1967 has continued to unleash several solar flares as it makes its two-week trek across the face of the sun, as seen from Earth.

    And while AR1967 is not earth-facing as of right now, it will be in a couple weeks. Last week the sunspot unleashed seven M-class flares in a single day. And though earth was spared from getting hit by a higher-level X-class flare, the potential for such an event certainly exists and is estimated to be around 50% because of the region’s high level of activity.

    It doesn’t happen often that the sun unleashes a solar flare powerful enough to cause serious damage, yet in the last decade we narrowly escaped the worst-case scenario twice.

    The first instance occurred in 2003, when researchers spotted the most powerful solar flare ever recorded. That one came in at a whopping X-45 class. We got lucky that time, as the flare was not earth directed. But had it been, it could have led to widespread grid-down scenarios all over the planet as power grid infrastructures would have seen surges strong enough to destroy electrical transformers and substations.

    The second incident occurred in 2012 and most people didn’t event hear about it. It wasn’t disseminated by the mainstream press until a full year later. That flare was so intense that it prompted one expert to claim the world escaped an EMP catastrophe:

    ‘There had been a near miss about two weeks ago, a Carrington-class coronal mass ejection crossed the orbit of the Earth and basically just missed us,’ added Peter Vincent Pry, who served on the Congressional EMP Threat Commission.

    ‘Basically this is a Russian roulette thing,’ he said. ‘We narrowly escape from a Carrington-class disaster.’

    A Carrington-class catastrophe refers to an 1859 solar event that lead to surges across the world, which resulted in a (literal) meltdown of telegraph communications equipment.

    CU-Boulder professor Daniel Baker noted that the 2012 flare was unprecedented:

    The speed of this event was as fast or faster than anything that has been seen in the modern space age”

    And to put into perspective what would have resulted had this flare not bounced off our atmosphere, Baker followed up with an ominous assessment:

    Had it hit Earth, the July 2012 event likely would have created a technological disaster by short-circuiting satellites, power grids, ground communication equipment and even threatening the health of astronauts and aircraft crews.

    We have proposed that the 2012 event be adopted as the best estimate of the worst case space weather scenario…

    We came close.

    So close that Congressional members are coming around to the idea that we could well experience the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it should a high level X-class flare be directed at earth.

    It’s no longer just an outlier, according to Congresswoman Yvette Clarke (D-NY) who is a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee.

    It’s a certainty:

    The Likelihood of a severe geo-magnetic event capable of crippling our electric grid is 100%.

    The reality is that one of these days, perhaps even the next time AR 1967 swings around, earth could get hit by a flare similar to what missed us in 2003 and 2012.

    The fall out from such an event would be nothing short of a worldwide catastrophe, as electrical power lines, utility plants, GPS systems, telecommunications equipment (including your cell phone), cars, and anything else not hardened against an electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) is rendered instantly inoperable.

    What would follow is complete pandemonium as the entire global infrastructure, especially in developed nations, completely collapses.

    A security report presented to Congress predicts that such a scenario would be long-term, widespread, and result in the deaths of 90% of the population of the United States.

    As retired Congressman Roscoe Bartlett has warned, our ailing grid is simply not ready for it. And no one is willing to pony up the tens of billions of dollars necessary to upgrade our domestic infrastructure.

    In the grand scheme of things, the sun unleashes these powerful flares on a regular basis. It will do so again. And chances are that our planet will not be ready for it.

    But this time it won’t just be telegraphs or a hydro power station in Ontario that goes down. It’s going to be a massive hit and it’s going to affect anyone on this planet who is dependent on the daily functioning of electrically powered systems.

    As highlighted by Tess Pennington, a grid-down scenario is no laughing matter and something to be taken very seriously:

    Consider, for a moment, how drastically your life would change without the continuous flow of energy the grid delivers. While manageable during a short-term disaster, losing access to the following critical elements of our just-in-time society would wreak havoc on the system.

    • Challenges or shut downs of business commerce
    • Breakdown of our basic infrastructure: communications, mass transportation, supply chains
    • Inability to access money via atm machines
    • Payroll service interruptions
    • Interruptions in public facilities – schools, workplaces may close, and public gatherings.
    • Inability to have access to clean drinking water

    How prepared are you for a scenario in which the grid is non-functioning for an extended period of time?

    It wouldn’t take long for society to fall apart if it were to happen. Recent evidence suggests that within three days we’d be in a world of trouble.

    With all of the variables at play we can probably all agree that the possibility on any given day is extremely low. But over a timeline of fifty or a hundred years, it becomes a lot more likely.

    The last time a major solar event struck earth was 1859.

    Are we due for another one?


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      1. Maudy, make note to self…get more sun tan lotion.

        • Don’t forget sun glasses and plenty of ice. It appears this might be God’s plan of global warming.


            The world as we know is always now on the brink, now is the time to consider much before it is too late and all of us are engulfed suddenly by what is eventually coming.

            Each one of you has some sorts of supplies and survival plans. All of this can be lost. How? By trusting the wrong person(s). Most people are very phoney. Most people will backstab you no matter how good you are to them or no matter how well you have their best interest at heart. In life this means painful resentment and sometimes even financial loss. In and after a SHTF, it means loss of your supplies and possibly your life. Trust is something that is very rare commodity and you are GUARANTEED to not have too many people in your life that you can trust, that will stick to their commitment and word and to honor you as a person. Let the wrong person into your survival group and you and everyone in your group could pay with their lives. Old adage; it is far easier to fight the well armed attacker facing you in the front than the much weaker sneaky back stabber in the rear.

            Check out this extremely well written decription about friends that I found in a little booklet that I posted about a year and a half ago to put this very much so in perspective. This to protect those out there from falling into the TRAP of letting the wrong people into your lives.
            Someone once said that “the best way to attract a friend is to be a friend oneself”. Note I use “friend” singularly because let me tell you, dear reader, that a “friend” is very much a singular thing. If you can go through life and say that you have one good, or possibly even two or three friend(s) during your lifetime then you certainly can count yourself a most fortunate person indeed.

            “Friends” are about rare as cool water in a hot desert. Anybody who tells you that they have “lots of friends” is a fool. We have many acquaintances, “disgusied” as friends, but real friends: next to none at all. If you don’t believe me you will learn for yourself: at some point you are going to have to test your friends; you may be in real need of something which will mean them spending time, concern, money or some special kind of sacrific, on your behalf. Just watch how those “friends” will evaporate overnight! You will be stunned. You will be disillusioned, embittered. I have had this experience many times. What horrifies me is that you find your “closest buddy” disintegrate at only the barest sacrific demanded of him or her; he or she is not being asked to give you a pile of money or put his or her life at risk; often the “sacrific” involved is something, at least in my eyes, of no great monumental deprivation to the person concerned.

            Before I got wise I several times did things for people that involved real danger for myself in order to help them. I no longer know these people. It became apparent to me through the passing of time that in no way would those people – great self styled “friends”- even remotely consider helping me in a situation only a fraction as dangerous or difficult as the situations in which I had helped them. By James F. Cullian.

            • BI, good day to you, sir, and I totally agree with your analysis. Although I have an arrangement to go to a cousin’s BOL and have half of my supplies already there, that is the MOST trustworthy of relatives that I made the arrangement with. I trust my family ONLY to a certain degree. If I could get MY OWN BOL…..

              • 1BH: You are always invited to my BOL… Just 2+ hours below your cuz… and not NGIC….LOL

                • NOT your friend—defined:

                  “That’s the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want.”

                  “We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone.”



                  The American people are getting exactly what they and their inaction deserve.


                    The Germans have been so beaten down psychologically by decades of lies against them that they are as submissive as Americans, doing nothing about the theft of $100 BILLION in gold by the “Federal” Reserve. Oy veh!

                    At tractate Baba Kama 113a the Torah teaches that the goyim should be deceived and robbed.

                    Deniers will insist that this theft of German gold has not happened and is not inspired by the banksters’ “Oral Torah”:

                • eppe, that hurts. But I love you man. Now am I invited?

              • Cuz Braveheart I can understand why you only trust us to a degree. But it was an emergency, when we had to sell your supplies.

            • You must be fun at parties.

              I can tell you that I have a lot of friends that have past the tests you refer to above. The fact that you hang out with a bunch of jerk-offs doesn’t mean I am a fool.

              SUGGESTION: Maybe stop being so informative and stop diagnosing and analyzing everything and maybe people will stop avoiding you (kinda like Mac does here) !!

              • BI is one of the few here who give excellent info on the problems at hand, when you can contribute as much, do so, we would love to hear new and interesting info…
                I try, but there are some here who input much great info, and are the backbone of this site. If it was not for the good posters here, would Mac’s site survive? One can post anything from other sites but if no one responds, do you think it would prosper? I have seen Mac’s site go from 10+ posters to over 800 on one subject, even though we have CERTAIN ones who come here to disrupt the TRUE flow of info…

              • @BI,
                Keep on bein’ you.
                Your doin’ great.

              • You are a sick mofo Sybil E. and you will be dealt with.

                • @ eppe. The one thing you can count on with me is that I will keep my word. I promised many people like JayJay and others that I would not engage the trolls and I meant it. This is extremely destructive to the site and Mac’s livelihood. I have always wanted to do what is right for the site and the good people that visit the site and interact with it. I could come up with far better comebacks than any troll could, but it would take up space and give the desperate attention to an extremely immature person with equally low intelligence the time they absolutely don’t deserve.

                  I am better than this and so are the people here. I found that out the other day that I was not acting above that of a child’s level or someone that desperately needs medical attention of the mind. I will not lower myself to someone that has a sole purpose of destroying a fine web site like this one. Other people in the government have much desires to take down websites such as this either through paid trolls and shrills, or egging on the severely mentally deranged. Either case the end results are that we all lose. I want to see SHTF plan win and provide one of the few still free outlets of free speech out there. People that attempt to damage others like this, like you say, will be dealt with their own pitiful lives as stupid people always screw up their own lives. Thank you for being a champion of this site.

                  • Did anyone ever tell you to shut up shutting up?

                    • @ old guy. Bugs Bunny cartoons, classics.

              • @ Just_Sayin. This was written by James F. Cullinan back in 1982 in England. It had extreme insight back then and even more so now. I have known so many people that brag and brag about all the friends they have, and every single time when there was a time they truly needed them, they were left with one or two or no one in their corner. Without fail. Not one person I have ever known has a magnitude of true blue friends. Those that live in a delusional world and think so and trust those that should not be trusted WHEN SHTF or mega SHTF leave themselves wide open to be taken advantage of or much worse.

                Suggesstion “friend” maybe you should stop living your life through what you see in the movies and wake up and see true life is not sparkle and glitter and start to use a tiny bit of cynicism and pragmatism to protect yourself and your family when those so called “friends” demand that you share what you have or else WHEN TRUE SHTF. This is just a friendly suggestion to help you so you are not devastated when you find these words all too true when push comes to shove with these so called “friends”. Just saying.

                • BI
                  If you don’t have true friends and a network of like minded individuals the bottom line is your fucked long term. Thumb me down all you want but I can tell you that when the SHTF your short term hunker down period will eventually be followed by the next stage where you will need others. Start now or wait and roll the dice… your choice !!

              • Just give it time, you will find out BI is correct on this one. Your friends will all leave you when you most need them.

                • Noah
                  Time indeed will tell. When the time comes you better have contacts and people you can trust or you will be on duty 24/7 and I can tell you that is not sustainable no matter how much knowledge you have !!


              Check it daily! No I do not work for them just my daily resource on this subject. Thought I would pass it on.

              • Great site…thanks for the tip!!!

            • @James, thanks for your post so true and great reminder! I’ve come to find that I have to become self sufficient and I stress SELF!
              God Bless!

            • @James, very well put! Thanks for the reminders, I’ve learned to become very self sufficient and I stress SELF!

              God Bless!

            • Be informed — you are a wise man
              with equally wise words. Thank you.

              • The administration may order a east coast city to be nuked and then blame it on the Iranian ship that will soon be off of the east coast.

                Or the ship may have a nuke on it and they will drive it into port at set off the nuke.

                • You watch way too much sci fi

                  • You underestimate the amount of hate these people have.

                  • You underestimate the power of the sstilites and planes over them to see rad and heat. They now how much shit is in the ballast tanks just from the heat of rotting crap.

                  • And how many los angles class subs are right under them .

                  • NOTHING…….NOTHING happens to this country without the aid and assistance of the government !!!
                    Don’t tell me about hate …I would hate s country that continuously bombs my country and kills millions of women and children …..yup HATE !!!

                • I’m thinking those three Iranian ships would be an easy target for an Israeli sub once they hit American waters; then blame it on US.

                  A lot can happen in open ocean with no one left to tell the tale. Of course WE could always claim they were off course and in the Bermuda Triangle.

                  Its a thought. 🙂

                  • @DK. What if those Iranian ships are merely a decoy for something else? Many have been laughing about the age and conditions of these ships and whether they could even go the distance….I’m not laughing, I’m wondering just WHY they would attempt the voyage in ships that are not seaworthy…More to this than meets the eye

                  • Yeah, FOB, it does seem that you’d wait until you could show forth with something impressive before you start any major sabre-rattling, and not open yourself up to being made a laughing-stock. That thing with the Iranian ships smells…

            • BI, great timing of this article. As many have already found out, there are times we can’t count on family either and don’t confuse family as friend(s).

            • Amen brother, I have outlasted many of my childhood friends, there are not many of them left. I guess that is what happens when you get older. Unlike some OTHERS, true friends are hard to find, and when you do hold onto with all your might. Of course, you will most always have family, but TRUE friends are rarer than hens teeth, diamonds and gold…
              I have always said, “I’m not racist, you have to PROVE to me you are worth being a friend of mine”…

              • Panicked Shoppers Fight Over Food

                “Atlanta residents ransacked neighborhood grocery stores in frantic preparation for their second major snowstorm of the year, waging fights over food items and leaving destruction and empty shelves in their wake, a stunning precursor to what will ensue once a major crisis impacts the U.S.”

                “According to people who Tweeted photos of barren store shelves, residents went crazy over essentials like milk, waterand eggs, and in some cases “people were fighting. Yes fighting,”
                -Infowars dot com
                (also posted on Drudge Report)

                  • KYM; Not disagreeing with you, just saying we never saw anything like this, but I am sure it happened somewhere…
                    I have often said the grocery stores out there got in kahoots with the weathermen and said “snow” just to sell all the bread and milk on the shelves…But that is a long time joke, like in the 70’s, when a LEO gave you a speeding ticket, they also gave you 2 Foul Coons tickets and you had to promise to attend, even when they played New Orleans… lol…

                • Only the UNprepped ones, those of us in the know stayed away from the grocery stores, in fact the two shot at a Kroger in Lawrenceville GA were only 4 miles away from me as the crow flies…
                  Never saw any fights, because we were not there, but the crazies come out with the thought of ice or snow…

                  • Makes one want to start ‘packing’ to go shopping…
                    I might add 10 years ago this same area was predominatly white, not so anymore, just saying, time to move to the country…
                    And I am NOT being racist, just stating FACTS…

                  • Hurry, Eppe…hurry, post haste bro’!!! Git ye hence..outta diversity’s domain.

                    ..Otherwise, you’re high-stakes gambling w/ the life of you/yours.

          ’re one of “us” to fight/survive another day!!!!

                  • Hunter, if Oprah had not mentioned 10+ years ago the ten best zip codes to live in, (one being mine where I have been since 89), we would not have this problem. But since she opened her big mouth, the landscape has gotten much darker….

                  • Howdy, Eppe. I read the story KY Mom posted. And that was only for a snowstorm? Imagine what they’ll be like when TSHTF……

                  • Nothing like waiting till the barbarian is at the gate. Do these people not use bread/milk/eggs any other time? I guess snow and ice cause a craving for french toast

                  • @ eppe I haven’t heard anything about fights over food.
                    Then again I don’t have to go to store, I did go out 2 days ago to get some gas for my generator.
                    I’m not worried about snow, but I sure don’t like the idea of 1 inch of ice. Glad I split all that wood and have kerosene.
                    The governor said maybe people can read a book when there’s no TV. NOT. People can’t read with no lights. HAHAHa
                    Peace all.

                • This storm was warned about several days ago. How hard can it be to get ahead of the curve. Then again it is Atlanta.

                  • John W., it’s Atlanta and a certain percentage are minority…..

                • Absolute craziness! Nothing that we preppers have to worry about however.

                • We just got this, KY Mom:

                  Dear SDN Customer,

                  Please be advised that the Atlanta teleport is currently experiencing heavy ice and snow at this time and your service may temporarily be affected. The SDN NOC will do everything possible to limit any interruptions to service.

                  SatCom Global / AND Group Plc, Tanners Bank, North Shields, Tyne and Wear, NE30 1JH

            • I have experienced the friend story personally several times, never again. I have helped people at great sacrifice only to be shit on. I once helped a woman that was running down the street screaming for help. My ex-wife told her we would call the police and she asked us not to so my ex offered to have her come to our place to clean up. My ex helped her and gave her clothes that wore not ripped and covered her black and blue breasts again. Two black eyes were also part of her beating and other injuries. The ex let lay on the couch until morning. Morning came, she was gone along with my wallet and 2 weeks pay. Hope she fell in front of the house of the guy how beat her. Like I said, never again, good luck sheeple.

              • Maddog, in the summer of 2003 the last woman I had in my life I had to put out of my home after I came home from work and found her IN MY BED WITH ANOTHER GUY, BOTH OF THEM PASSED OUT! So I went and pulled my 9mm out of my safe, loaded up a fully loaded mag, woke them up, made them leave the house naked, and threw their clothes out on the ground at them. I threw the rest of her shit out also and told her never come back if you want to live. never saw or heard from her again and never even dated anyone else since then. I only discovered afterward that I had some things missing from the house also. That bitch was damned lucky I didn’t lay a hand on her.

            • You’re absolutely right BI, in time you learn who your friends really are. There are those who will stand by you thick or thin to the end and those who will backstab you moment they think they’re getting a bigger better deal or think they can spat in your face even if they’re you’re best friend, or you thought they were. No matter how much you did for them or all the good memories you had together. If they betrayed you once, they will do it again.

              I hate to even think of it but if this is the way it has to be then I say no mercy to two-faced traitors and do what I must to even my ‘best friends’ to protect myself and what I have, no hesitation, or die trying. Though I’d much rather just let them fend for themselves and hope they live to regret it. If they know you have stuff, don’t keep all your eggs in one basket when SHTF. Hide, relocate, or cache them in different places if you haven’t done so. That way they can’t get to it and if you’re killed or incapacitated then only the ones you absolutely trust will find them or hopefully some lucky soul finds some solace and salvation.

              -White Fox

              • Well said White Fox, when it all falls down, the true friends will be at your side….

            • The well prepared are under no obligation to jeopardize their security inorder to assist those who, for whatever reasons have failed or refused to provide for their own well being.

              My families motto, Everybody works, everybody fights.

              Semper Fi. III

            • Hmmm….keep your friends close and your enemies closer. True…but not always. My Dad always told me when I eas a teenager that I would see my friends fall away but my family would always be there. He was proved to be soooo correct.

              • Npgh,
                My “friends”, with whom I was thicker than thieves at one time, have fallen away, but that’s largely because everybody gets busy with his own career and “hero project”.
                Within my family, there is intrigue brought on by those who would receive something for nothing. There have actually been more from among them than from the pagani who have betrayed me.

            • B.I.:
              What you have posted is very true. I really have only 3 real friends, the ones I would trust my life and my family too.
              I have many acquaintances, But only trust them so far.
              One only has his/her family and there God and a less than a handful of real friends.
              I know one thing, if anyone of you on this page needed help, I would try to be there to help you, this is the only way I know how to make a friend.
              When the SHTF is the time to make friends, if not before. When things go to he$% we will all need as many friend as we can get just to survive.
              S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • BI, its hard enough to get somebody to help you move, let alone risk anything for you. Beware anybody eager to befriend you. A pretty face can hide an evil mind. Smiling faces tell lies. Family will sell you out more often than not. It was no accident that I moved a long drive from my siblings.

            • You’re right on spot, after I spent a year and half teaching my “friend” how to stock and be self sufficiant, she came over one day and announced to me that she wasn’t going to prep anymore, if shtf, she was just going to go around steal whatever she needed. My jaw dropped! My first thought was not a plesant one. Be careful who you let into your circle! Lesson learned!

            • More true words have NEVER been spoken. I have also fallen victim to betrayal by “Friends”, one of which I had known for over 15 years. I now consider myself the ONLY person trustworthy (outside of a very few family members)and no longer need or want “friends”.

            • BI, That was an excellent post. My mother taught me the same thing, and said, “You are truely fortunate in life, if you have one true friend who will stick with you through thick and thin.” I tend to use the word friend rather liberally but her words still resonate and ring true. Even Jesus was abandoned and betrayed initially by his friends when SHTF and ‘every man is for himself’. Thanks for the post.

            • So true… Jesus is the only true friend anybody has. Maybe one or two folks that are somewhat friends, but people just let you down, that’s human nature.

              • Prophetic title you have there, HB. As it turns out, the State actually DOES put a buzzer in your ear if our smart and ankle weights on you if you’re a ballerina. And the “Handicapper General” has been stocking up on shotgun shells.

                • oops. “you’re”, not “our”. Typing too fast…

            • u r so right. im in my fifties and it took me all my life to figure out that is the unfortunate reality.ive helped people with food, money, supplies, and repairs as i can fix most any equipment etc. everyone of the has stabbed me in the back or stolen from me later,why would u bite the hand that feeds u ? since i left the military and my martial arts training in japan i see very little of things like honer,integrity or courage ,the only good thing is they will need me long before i need them.i wish u luck in the trials we all will be facing soon.

            • BI, I knew Ansel Shealy who I consider to be a truly evil man. At the time I wondered why God allowed this most vile person access to my life. Questioned this for a long time. He eventually died a painful death of cancer at a reasonably young age. Karma I guess. I thought about it more and came to the conclusion that he was part of my journey through this life. I was tested and educated. Hard and painful but made better for it.


            • BI

              Here’s some informative info.

              It is our choice to succeed or fail as a society.

              Yes, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

              More than likely toward the worst end of the scale because of “our learned helplessness, or base instincts, just what the PTB want. I say no.


              If we convene a “Common Law Grand Jury”, the people will come.

              Join us.

              Let’s create and live OUR DESTINY.

              Please listen to this radio interview…the man carries himself very WELL, he is from NYC of all places!

              I am beginning to believe in miracles.

              Disregard the accent and listen with your heart.


              We must take charge of our lives again.

            • BI, why would anyone give you a thumbs down on your post. you couldn’t be more spot on.

          • call al gore

          • If the lights go out and stay that way, i am packing up and hoofing it south. Should get to lake mead about late september if i time it right. This way i hang around in the sage brush, eat a sucker fish and a rabbit and then start hoofing back north about late april. I AM NOT cutting firewood and trying to store it without a pickup and a chain saw. aint gona happen.

            • Lake Mead?

              It will be emptied!!!!

              • Wow you are a real downer. So the Colorado river is going to quit flowing when the emp hits? That MUST BE a big bastard.. wow. Oh and there is an abandoned train tunnel right next to the lake in case it gets too hot. If there is a CMA that is where I will be.. just ask for 02 when you get there. Bring some white sauce for the fish. Some wine would be nice too. and some coffee. See y’all there.

                • CME too

                • .02:

                  Where is the train tunnel?


                  • By lake mead on the bolder city side. I think it was used to build the dam. It is abandoned but it is a hellova hole in solid rock

            • “…And no one is willing to pony up the tens of billions of dollars necessary to upgrade our domestic infrastructure….”

              Indeed! Far more important to spend BILLIONS on wars so that tribal banksters may prosper.

              • my thoughts exactly . 10’s of billions is a drop in the bucket…one month of Q.E. cash would do the trick

              • @JQP,
                Let’s not forget to mention the 5+ TRILLION spent on the “War on Poverty” that LBJ started. HA! And, of course, the “spread it around” sitting President we have now. I saw on Drudge this am that Michelle’s dress at last night’s state dinner cost about $12K. Of course there is a sizable asset that needed to be covered and it requires a lot of material.

                Wait, who’s knocking on my front door??????

                • Knowing that Judaism teaches that non-Jews (and especially blacks) are not human, it is clearly the banksters’ inside joke that they funded the Kenyan who will be left ‘holding the bag’ when they complete the collapse, their latest economic crime against humanity.

                  The banksters will leave a black man ‘holding the bag’ while the tribal looters laugh up their sleeves, playing innocent victims, counting their shekels in their gated mansions.

                  The Pritzkers knew what they were doing when they funded the Kenyan; they hoped to buy a plausible alibi, a Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card for the tribal perpetrators. It was big Jewish money that put that Kenyan into the White House. Yes, their clever inside joke.

                  Remember, “Follow the money!”

              • JQP,
                Individual utility companies would have to raise customers’ rates to replace aging infrastructure and obsolete technology, and their respective customer bases wouldn’t stand that. But I agree that the US federal government should not be wasting money on wars.

            • Good plan, Snowbird. Comfortable boots a must!

            • no need to hoof it, just get an older pick up truck, or any vehicle pre 1972 that still has points, and not electronic ignition. only worry I would have is if the battery would be fried in such an event. anyone know how batteries would fare in a emp/solar situation?

              • Build a grounded cage over your devices and they may survive…who knows magnitude ?

                Skin will probably not fare too well either..have shelter…

            • Recent testing and most credible scientists agree that no matter the strength of a CME your pickup would more than likely start right back up. It could require some minor repairs, but the magnetic forces of a CME would induce electricity in any large conductor. That includes power transformers and the power grid itself, but not electronics that are not directly connected to the grid.

              I used to believe the prepper porn, but after seeing the overwhelming evidence sold my old manually aspirated diesel because repairs were going to cost more than it was worth. That being said if for any reason I cannot make it 70 miles to my retreat, we will have to get by at our main home in this small city. Adjacent to our home are acres of public land with dead wood laying all over it, standing dead timber, so much game we have urban deer hunts, and a lake full of fish. My biggest concern here is other people. I have crosscut saws with the training and experience necessary to fell and buck firewood without a chainsaw.

              BTW, If you put fuel stabilizer in your chainsaw fuel now it will need to be retreated in a year, but Pri-G stores unopened indefinitely so if you wait till you need to use the fuel it will revitalize gasoline up to ten years old. Google “Pri-G FAQ” for more information.

              • i just buy non ethanol gas for everything on the property except my trucks and cars ,its only 70 cents a gal. more and worth evey penny not having the head aches of rusted tanks rotted rubber hoses and primer bulbs,and corroded carbs ,BTW the closest station that carries it is about 28 mi. away if it was closer id run it in my old carberated truck ,when i could still get the non ethanol at the local station , i used to run it in my 1940 pickup,i got 22 mpg now its dropped to 17 mpg ,(hate that fucken shit) as is we usally buy about 20 gallons a pop

            • .02, If you like fish and seafood, come on down this way to Louisiana, the ‘Sportsman’s paradise’! The weather has been wet and cold lately but it should start getting better soon.

              • what about the oil spill?

                • .02, The spill is no longer a real problem. We are eating local oysters, crabs, shrimp, and fish. We have an abundance of them. The crawfish have taken a beating because of the freezing spells we’ve had, but that shouldn’t take too much of a toll and we will be enjoying our crawfish boils soon.

                  • I would carry some of the seafood to an independent lab for testing before I ate anything from the Gulf. I live in Mississippi and I have heard that some have been getting reactions from eating the Gulf seafood especially the bottom dwellers.

          • I doubt the MSM would warn us, even if they knew a major solar flare was headed toward earth. They choose what they want to report.

            I read the news every day and learned about the 2008 powerful gamma ray burst in 2010. Apparently, the media chose NOT to report this news or were too focused on reporting other events.

            On March 19, 2008, a powerful gamma ray burst detected by NASA’s Swift satellite in the Bo-otes constellation shattered the record for the most distant object that could be seen with the naked eye.

            “It was a whopper,” said Swift principal investigator Neil Gehrels of the Goddard Space Flight Center. “This blows away every gamma ray burst we’ve seen so far.”

            NASA said the afterglow “was 2.5 million times more luminous than the most luminous supernova ever recorded, making it the most intrinsically bright object ever observed by humans in the universe.”

            More information about this at:

            (When I read this, I thought about Matthew 3: 11-12.)

            Out of curiosity, I checked some news archives for Wednesday, March 19, 2008.

            Results from the primaries were being reported. I found this article.

            “It’s over. Barack Obama has already won the Democratic nomination.”

          • Currently have plenty of ice.

          • Not without proper ovomit credits…yeah that’s what we need…go Democritus.

        • Maybe it would melt some of this dang snow ….

          • @ OutWest. Only 36 days till the first day of spring. 🙂

            • Global warming causes Solar flares right?

              • Don’t give Al any more ideas.

              • Great! Now we will have to pay carbon taxes to protect the sun.

          • Yup, another foot plus of snow for Maine this Thursday, second one in a week, it’s getting really old….

            • Eisen you’re such a sweet caring guy. FU

              • Dont feed em..

                • Please… No one is as creative as you.

            • OK, I know I am new to the sight, but everything Eisencruz posts is pathetic. So I thought I would share with all of you what kind of person he really is.
              Being new to this sight, I first went through many weeks of articles and posts, and, like clockwork, Eisencruz always posts nonsense.
              Soooo, I have a friend who has a phd in psychology, has worked in law enforcement for 20+ years as a line officer, then investigator. He currently is a freelance profiler/interrogator who works independently and is called by different agencies to work cases they are stuck on. He often gets called to profile, and interrogate for a confession. He is either hired by an LE agency, or by victim’s families.
              He is called by many different agencies and on occasion has come in behind the FBI. Anyway, this guy knows his stuff.
              He was over the other night, and I was telling him about this sight, and what a moron this one guy, Eisencruz, was. We decided that he should read some of Eisens’ posts and profile him.
              Here is what he came up with.
              Eisnecruz is most likely:
              1. A white male 40-50.
              2. Was home schooled because of the bullies.
              3. Most likely wears his mother’s/grandmothers panties because they are the only females who showed him any attention. This is a metaphorical umbilical cord for him.
              4. Is a homosexual. Not by choice, but by necessity. He would much rather be with a woman, but none will have him.
              5. Joined the military and/or law enforcement, but could not hang. Felt rejected when he got the boot, and this is why he resents all of us military/law enforcement. Jealousy.
              6. Is probably not a real prepper. Probably spends most of his time on a number of blogs knowing really nothing about the subject matter. It’s his only real social life, and the more outrageous posts he makes, the more attention he gets. In fact, the only attention he gets.
              7. Substance abuser of some sort. Weak individual and dependency on things, and people come easily.
              8. Is unemployed due to poor social skills. Most likely lives in his mother’s/grandmother’s basement.
              9. Believe it or not he has money. Not from hard work, or an education, but more likely from a lawsuit involving some liberal judge. He likely got rewarded a large sum from some city park where he fell off the jungle gym while scoping out the children.
              10. Although he has plenty of money, he can not bring himself to cut the metaphorical umbilical cord, get a job and contribute to society.

              • PB, Wow, you have nailed him exactly, hence why we call him “Sybil E.”…

            • the wife and I were thinking of roughing it at our camp in Central Maine. Maybe I’ll wait a month.

              • I’m taking the kids ice fishing up near Baxter State Park next month, hopefully it warms up a little!

            • 80+ thumbs down. Has to be a record.

              • No. DK and the PAGE hold the records of 250 plus on a single post.

            • It was tough, I had to keep the top up on the Porsche driving my son to,school this morning. 59 degrees!

            • Calling for another 1 to 2 feet of snow tonight in the Absarokas and Winds, I say bring it on. Above 10,000ft it can’t get to deep as far as I’m concerned. Don’t need a lot at lower elevations, but love that snow melt all summer long. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

              • you must not have to go to work

          • Had it hit the earth…… the likelihood of a severe geo-magnetic event…..
            Hey OW seed potatoe is already in the store and my winter kale is springing back. The local hardware store also has bulk spinach seed. Thinking ahead for my garden and refuse to curl up in a ball. Besides I once met a girl who had a spot as big as Jupiter. Thought about landing my sputnik there but didn’t have my screen door with me so I called it a night.

            • It’s February time to prune fruit trees

              • I’ve read in a couple of books on orcharding that the best time is actually as soon as buds first appear in spring, and some say that they can be pruned any time except late fall – early winter.
                I’m no expert, so I can’t vouch for these things; but what I can tell you is that I am NOT pruning anything this particular February.
                The thermometer read -19 degrees this a.m.. Prune trees in below zero temps? Not me.

          • What snow?

            • wrong – enjoy the socal sun.
              I will enjoy all the fresh water 🙂

              • Wrong — What snow? I saw a basketball hoop
                sticking out of a snow bank the other day.

                Hammerhead — You will probably enjoy all the
                fresh water sitting on your rooftop when the
                melt floods us out in the spring. Surfs up.

                • no flood on my hilltop.
                  But surfs up ! yee haw !

        • Haha. Good one.
          I read this site daily and find your comments humorous and insightful. I say if folks don’t have their preps in order now, they’re good as gone. Our giant plasma ball doesn’t follow our rules or operate on our terms. That big ole SOB can do what it wants. I think we are in for a really big surprise sooner rather than later.
          Please inform and wake up as many as you can over the next couple weeks. My soul feels the changes coming and I wish I could scream at people to wake up. But it will be a collective effort to do such.
          And please pass the sunscreen. I need a little on my nose.

          • How many BILLION years has the Sun been burnin???

            • Agreed anonymous. Too many billions to think we will change it. Humans are naive enough to believe we can affect the climate when the climate went through a hell of a lot worse since the dawn of time.
              “Oh no, my one ton truck exhaust is killing the trees and rock lizard striped gecko.”
              We are killing species no more than giant meteors and climate change have for the last 350 million years.

        • Aw hell, unless Gerald Celente says it – I ain’t gonna worry about it.

          • Remember a solar flare will not do the same catastrophic electric destruction to small wiring that a nuclear EMP would do. Still the long wiring annihilation would be unbelievable and the grid would be no more for a long, long time.

            By the way today is day 18 since the proposed possible beginning of the end of the economy. The dow is at 16015 and gold is at 1279. This is about a 12.5 to 1 ratio. NO ONE has to worry about any economic collapse with this ratio above 8 to 1 unless there is a PHYSICAL event such as this talked about. The only point to pay attention to the economy will be if and when that ratio is 10 to 1 or less. Gold is REAL money and shows what is happening with inflation. The dow can only be rigged so much in regard to the price of gold. Watch this ratio for the sign of trouble. At 12.5 to 1, any talk about economic collapse is in the long term. This is the logical math I can apply to the stocks, hard currency.

            • I gota start looking around for a good cart and an ox.

              • I have a wagon, just no dog!
                Note to self: get, not neighbor’s; duh!

                • Just feed tresrs to neighborhood dogs ocassionally so you can catch them when needed. Why feed them till then. Lol

              • …maybe eisen will work for food…

                • Fuck ’em, why feed the POS.

                • Sybil E. will be pole dancing for TPTB at the FEMA camps for the organic food he grows…lol
                  Was there a food grown for anal expansion?

            • eisen we’re not impressed with your BS.

              • don’t feed em.. in other news Best Buy recently closed 50 stores and eliminated 950 jobs in Canada. To keep their shelves stocked, Best Buy has purchased goods on consignment. That is, a manufacturer ships items to the store that haven’t been paid for yet. The idea is that the goods will sell and generate enough revenue to pay the bill.

                The problem with this arrangement is that if the goods don’t sell, the retailer still has to pay for them. If it cannot pay for the goods, the retailer may have to declare bankruptcy and shut down. That’s what happened to Circuit City.

                Best Buy is history folks.

                • We call ’em Worst Buy…. 😉

                • Anything so that those morons in the black and white VW’s go away.

                • .02-


                  ..given time, most retail chains are destined for the ash-heap of commercialism/retail expendable cash continues to evaporate from the economy at an ever accelerating rate..

                  ..ditto, per the powers that be/fed-gov forced collapsing/disintegration of the productive class & their productive output/capabilities..


                  ..our productivity, being expropriated for the benefit of the..parasites!**

                  **w/ much siphoned off to the top-tier 1-2%..& the remaining $$$, unto the 47% of the traditional underclass of bottom feeders!


                  We, the productive…are getting ‘financially gang-banged’ from both ends of the fed-gov created/sanctioned 21st century, social-economic system——————————-

                  ..when is enough(!)…..enough?

                • addendum to above-

                  A ‘head-shot(see cross-hairs)’ focused on SOL, via an X-45 or higher rating..would go a long-long way..towards leveling the “PLAYING FIELD”……….RFN**



                  **RIGHT F%&KING NOW!!!!

                • There will be more of this. These big stores are going thru a paradigm shift. There cost are going up. Operating cost always goes up over time. On line sales are eating into their market share. There biggest customers, the Middle Class, has less and less spending money. Nothing wrong with their products really. These big retailers are dinosaurs unless they can find a way to completely transform their business, but it will not happen while being run by fat, rich, way to comfortable, senior managers.

                • Today Janet Yellen said ” People are not buying much right now because of the cold weather” That may not be EXACT word for word but it is close.. What a Hoot !!!
                  I wonder if preppers are all that is keeping the economy going??

                • candle in the wind. On a lot of sites, prepper and other blogs, the topic for weeks was about the bare spots on shelves and not just Chinamart, but many stores have cut back stocking certain items.
                  I theorize they see what’s coming and don’t want their money tied up in merchandise that won’t be bought when TSHTF. Just stock the popular items, the foods most buy, not that special sauce for tacos, etc.
                  Which they stopped carrying and it was my favorite. 🙁

                • Agreed. I said before that Best Buy was going the way of Circuit City. The prices in Best Buy are ridiculous and the constant harrassment from cable network providers in the store is annoying! It’s a shame really because I really liked Circuit City and Best Buy. Now, if I need anything I’ll go to Amazon (still love Barnes & Noble though).

            • ¿Really? The Carrington Event of 1859 caused the pre technology telegraphs to short out, and arching from the telegraph wires. Our modern tech has never seen an X flare in the 60 range, which is close to what the Carrington Event was estimated to be.

            • @BI

              I have to be honest with you. I determined that the end of the economy as we have known it was in Sept 2012 when they announced Quantitative Easing III (QE3). Then, in Sept 2013, they announced QE Infinite.

              I no longer believe that businesses (Fortune 1000) can cover their expenses without access to the Fed Discount window.

              (I know only a few businesses have access to the discount window but the rest are recipients of downstream fed money).

              I think we are on the last legs. The last sign was the purposeful tanking of the emerging markets by Wall Street. That was a last ditch effort to say, “Hey, Invest in America because all the rest of the economies are broke). But it doesn’t look like anyone took the bait.

              China is ready to assume the position as holders / keepers of the global default currency. Switzerland brokering in it, significant amounts of capital have moved out of the U.S. and to into Singapore (the proxy for china investment).

              The Aussie, New Zealand, China trading bloc is humming along just fine. The only thing left I see is for Russia to sign on and then finally, South Korea.

              And finally, the only reason why the Fed tapered down is because the Bank Of International Settlements has determined that the old leveraging rate was too fast for others to absorb (i.e. Special Drawing Rights…which are the BIS claims against a currency.

              With reference to the above article, I fully believe something like that is needed so that moneys can be spent fixing the damned grid (and everything else) and that would do wonders for the economy. Kind of sick logic, I know.

              • This country can no longer pay it’s own way. Out sourcing, mass immigration, falling wages and run away spending have made the accounting impossible. We all know how this is going to end the only question is when. We the people no longer have any say in anything as the elites do whatever they feel like and no one can stop them.

            • A great deal of respect for you BI. But the way I see the DOW. It’s up, it’s down. It’s up.

              I think the oscillation are getting more erratic. The Nikkei was down like 10% this year. Several countries have currencies in early hyperinflation.

              I imagine the Fed is at Def Con 5 trying to keep the DOW up.

              The markets were up today because Yellin said she’s going to continue the money printing policies.

              • This is just more wealth transfer from the taxpayers to the bankers and wise guys. They are laundering the debt by using the QE to convert it to capital gains for the connected. The rank and file will be left with the debt payments.

              • @ Cellar Spider and Sierra Dave. I try to use something to figure out what is going on economically. I think the only real numbers to use is to compare something and most everything to precious metals because precious metals are the bedrock of real money. You can silver or even the other precious metals such as platinum or even copper to a lessar extent. I use gold because it is the still the “gold standard” of all metals.

                I truly believe that even the Dow, SP500, Nasdaq, have to have something someway of being linked to true money as these are just the top 30 companies, top 500 companies, and the high tech other industries that all go with true money. These companies still use money to pay salaries receive proftis, etc. This is ultimately tied to real money.

                I found if you use this ratio to really bad times economically you can use the ratio between the Dow and the price of gold as a benchmark. Watch that ratio and you can have a sort of thormometer. Like a thermometer in the Sun it is not perfect always, but it is the best I have seen to show what is actually happening. Look at at least a 10 to one ratio or lower to a true warning sign. Like Gold at 1500 an ounce and the dow at 15000 or lwer for example. Or something like gold at 2000 and the dow at 16000. This would show the Dow is artificially inflated badly at an 8 to 0ne ratio. Not perfect, but not a bad gauge.

        • Futures so bright i gotta wear shades!

          • I always hated that song!!! You still got a thumbs-up though!

            • Hunter

              ….fed-gov created/sanctioned 21st century….

              that’s really an insightful autopsy of the late
              great US of A.

              We have went through the door from a well lit room,
              into a passageway of darkness and trepidation.
              I would like to say I never saw it coming, but…..

              • OutWest-

                Ditto brother…..same here!

                ..being on the tail end of the curve…HURTS MUCH!!!!


                ANALOGY equals:

                1.> ..well lit room = trust that our congressional reps morals/beliefs are the same as ours.

                2.> ..passageway of darkness = fearless belief that truth/honesty will defeat evil/wickedness…the walk of courage.

                3.> ..I never saw it coming = ..because we were lied to…from the beginning..& we were (are) honorable….the ‘ENEMY’….never was such!

                …nor will they EVER be capable of HONOR…as we(you/I/others)..define it.


                After all..:

                We are, what we do, when it counts!!!


                ..& track records don’t lie!

                ..what applies to ‘us’..applies to them as well.


                ONE DAY..:

                We will have ‘Nuremberg’..scene/act #2…whether the enemy likes it..or not!!!

          • Actually, for those of us who are real Born Again Christians, we have an absolutely awesome eternal future. No matter happens to us on earth, God will see to it that we’re taken to Heaven.

          • And no longer “tethered” to a job! Woo Hoo!

          • Can’t afford shades. Just berried my head in the sand. 😉

          • I wear my Sun Glasses at Night …..
            Standing by in
            Montgomery County Texas

        • Fear, FEAR! People have lived on this earth ball for ever and a day. It’s not something I’m going to worry about. Oh and Tomorrow the Yellowstone Super Volcano is going to blow.. Run for your lives. Now go and buy some more food and supply’s from our Web Sponsors banner on the right, we have to keep the light on.

          • Dale, humanity has bottlenecked several times in pre-history. Nearly going extinct on a number of occasions.

          • Reading you the next day, about an hour after I saw the USGS site: a 3+/- quake hit Yellowstone earlier today.

        • i’m more worried about the commie in charge.



          What do you think the dollar will be worth in 20 years…just when you need it…?

          All countries want their gold.

          Seems all the currencies are fubar.

          • Twenty years? I don’t think they intend on us being here in twenty years. They have other plans for the low lifes.

        • ATTENTION: URGENT! Israel is freaking out. Read:

          Netanyahu has convened all his top advisers and is going to spend millions along with using lawyers and the Mossad to stop the BDS movement (boycott, divestment sanctions) against Israel. There is nothing they will not do to stop this worldwide academic movement including another 9/11 in every country that apposes them. All who appose them are anti-semites, traitors and marked by them. Beware spread the word. The mascara is running and coming off.

        • Yeah, Maudy, make sure to get 1,000,000 SPF!

        • GREAT!!! They’re going to ban AR1967’s now.

        • Bwahahaha! (Not.)

      2. “It wouldn’t take long for society to fall apart..” Without the sun spots, the US gov’t is doing just fine in helping our society to fall apart. And tptb don’t like any competetion, thank you very much, The Socialists. (sad, isn’t it?)

        • No, they don’t.

          I think it’s time to nuke the sun. That’ll teach it. Where’s Bruce Willis?

          And lo, in those days the people were a licentious group of cheese eating morons, and thus did the Lord layeth the smacketh downeth uponeth them…

          And the Lord did grin… and the people did feast upon the lambs… and sloths… and orangutans… and breakfast cereals… and fruit tree bats…

          … ahhh… skip a bit, Brother Maynard…

          • TheGuy-


            ..thanks for the funny, bro’…MONTE-PYTHON would be proud!!!

        • “That’s the good thing about being president. I can do whatever I want.”
          –President Obama

          More control over businesses by Obamacare.

          THOUGHT POLICE: Firms must SWEAR Obamacare not a factor in firings

          “administration officials announcing the new exemption for medium-sized employers had to say about firms that might fire workers to get under the threshold and avoid hugely expensive new requirements of the law.

          Obama officials made clear in a press briefing that firms would NOT be allowed to lay off workers to get into the preferred class of those businesses with 50 to 99 employees. How will the feds know what employers were thinking when hiring and firing? Simple.

          Firms will be required to CERTIFY to the IRS – under penalty of perjury – that ObamaCare was not a motivating factor in their staffing decisions. To avoid ObamaCare costs you must swear that you are not trying to avoid ObamaCare costs.”

          Fox News

          • Just when I don’t think the gov can say or do anything more stupid than what they’ve already done…now this! I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The lows this admin will stoop to are so far down it boggles the mind to think that they can daily come up with new ones. We are sooooo screwed!!!

            • Ok, I have a lib buddy ( save it, keep your friends close…). I kinda feel a little like I’m under-cover when I hang out and drink coffee with him. Lets me get the unvarnished perspective from the “other side”.
              So after I listen to spiels about rising the minimum wage ( how can someone be expected to work for such low wages?), paying taxes ( EVERYBODY needs to pay their fair share), the evil Koch brothers, f*#^%ng tea baggers, etc,etc,etc….

              He tells me he is planning to pickett at the state Capitol ….. For tax breaks for his particular industry. ( no, I’m not saying what or where) priceless

              Liberalism is a mental disorder. It’s the only explanation.

              • @rick, ask your lib buddy ‘why stop at $10, why not twenty? see what he says, then $30… see where he stops and see’s logic.

          • Looks like I’m gonna need to get some extra pitch forks and torches…

          • So now the government tells you how many people to employ in your business, how to run your business, and if you don’t comply, off with your head….oops

          • OT
            Congress just voted to raise the debt ceiling again.

            • You expected something else? They will raise it every time they want to spend more, this is the new norm…

      3. A Carrington Event X Class solar flare would definitely be a game changer SHTF scenario.

        I will make a prediction. It may not come to pass, but I will go on record saying that the DOW will drop to around 13,000 before April 1, 2014. This may trigger a full blown slide or may not. I hope I’m wrong, but from the data I’m looking at this spring will be volatile.

        If you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.

        God Bless,

        • Nope – not going to happen.

          TPTB have a can and a strong leg that likes kicking. All will be well. Sell your gold, after all ‘it’s not money’. 🙂

          • yeah but, the more they kick that can, the heavier it gets. Eventually, they won’t be able to kick it even with both legs.

        • About a week ago Grady Means predicted we were going to fall over by March 4th and then the Kremlin predicted February 15th was going to be the big day for us. Celente has been calling for a financial detonation for at least a couple of years now. Hell, you might as well get in there with yours too. What was it April 1st? I’ll mark that one on the calendar too.

          • Hammerrun,

            I hope I’m wrong. I have never made a prediction date that I can remember on this site. I just see several indications that say before April 1st and I would rather share my prediction and be wrong than keep it to myself and be right.

            I’m not saying it will for sure lead to a collapse SHTF scenario, but if I’m right it could. If I’m wrong I’m happy and will be the first to say “Whew…thankfully I was wrong!”

            God Bless,

            • I am with you on this NP. even if your wrong, your right on the money. the only thing we can buy right now is time, we better use it wisely.

      4. The Carrington Event 0f 1859 also happened during a ‘solar lull’ as well. All quiet and the BOOM! Out go the lights! Or power lines and telegraph equipment in that case. Only a matter of WHEN not IF. Got Backup power?

      5. I would miss my curling iron and hairdryer. That would be about it.

        • I suggest you acquire some curlers and bobby pins and learn to face into the breeze when you comb your hair dry…

          • Na…old, clean empty soup cans work fine. My grandma taught me how to use rags for rollers as well. I’ll still look fab when the shtf!

      6. To me, electricity is right up there with indoor plumbing. It’s a tie.

        • Well that’s good because now you can lose both at the same time! Yayyy!!

          … pumping stations…

        • Oh, heck no–running water and aluminum foil.

        • Speaking of plumbing, I just added a drain snake to my preps. It set me back a whopping $20 (w/s&h). I really neede one because I have a very hairy cat (LOL)

          • We’ve always had a snake because of big poop. When we lived in the city, sometimes I’d call to my wife and say “Call the sewage plant and tell them there’s a big one on the way.”

            • Since you’re the Archivist, you may remember this line from “Jacob’s Ladder”:

              “The Professor got beaucoup shits!”

        • Love that channel I watch his news every day. If I had more money I’d give him some so I could get the evening news as well and all the other benefits, but I like my preps more.

      7. Good. Hit the planet with two or three major, major flares and shut ‘er down but good. One way to get the vermin out of their holes.

      8. Off Topic, but interesting:
        So my question is did the government just top of all of there underground freezers?
        Think about that for a moment!
        1. They did not have to purchase the meat, recall it and say its bad.
        2. One of the last perishables you would purchase before shtf.
        3. Don’t have to do a purchase order/solicitation for meat.
        4. Due to number 3 above don’t raise any awareness to buying a lot of meat
        5. Public thinks they are doing there job and stopped people from getting sick.
        6. Remember, we just had a velvetta cheese shortage, did they also just stock up on that.

        Just some more facts to knock around in your head. 🙂

        • That recall will definitely hurt the cattle and beef industry, most likely that packing plant wont pay its bills, then will go to bankruptcy and stiff all the producers that supply them with feeders,,,
          The worst part is that it wasnt even a recall because of sickness, it was a recall because the USDA failed to inspect on time and the plant said fuckem and cut the carcases,,, the government is questionable people,,, time to get friendly with a grower or rancher if you dont raise your own,,,

          • Well said Kula…

            • OT, kinda. The wife if helping an elderly relative. She is at the relative’s house, awaiting her homecoming from the hospital. Decided to clean. Got shocked by a frayed cord on the vacumn , ( likely mice). Here is what shocked me ( pun intended) …
              She took the vac ( oldie-goodie) to the repair shop…. And they are backed up MONTHS! And the repair guy said a lot of it is ” cheap junk” .
              If things are so good ( yeah, right) , why are folks fixing vacuums instead of tossing and buying new? For 30 years, that’s been the American way. I really was amazed to here this.

              • Two weeks ago, I took my boots to get re- sole’d . $110.00 . That’s what I paid for the boots new last year! I worked at a shoe repair shop as a kid back in the mid 70’s. It used to cost about $25.00 for soles & heel’s . The guy said that he is really busy & backed up.
                Standing by in
                Montgomery County Texas

          • kula , i have had alot of calls of late from people wanting to buy a half of beef, ALOT of calls .
            SO , i will do my best to fill the orders.
            The more the government screws up the markets and pushes corpoate farming , the more my phone rings !
            Obama and his regulations are good for MY economy .

            i hope that solar flare holds off awhile…..

            • History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.
              –Mark Twain

              Scary 1929 market chart gains traction
              If market follows the same script, trouble lies directly ahead

              “There are eerie parallels between the stock market’s recent behavior and how it behaved right before the 1929 crash.”
              -Market Watch dot com

                • KY Mom,

                  Thank you for posting this link. It coincides with what I was predicting earlier. I truly hope I am wrong.

                  I do appreciate the links you post.

                  God Bless,

              • There was no plunge protection team in 1929. BIG difference.

                • “No plunge protection team” tell the bankers coming off roofs that.

                  • Or committing suicide with nail guns!

                  • Yeah Rick. 7 shots from a nail gun, several of those to the head. Last time I tried that on myself, I passed out before I could shoot myself three more times!

              • KY – If the market crashes , i wouldnt know the difference. I have no stake in it , and honestly all the folks i do buisiness with are local people with very limited reaourses and they wouldnt notice either.

                The market crash of 1929 did not effect those that were already at the bottom and as history well documents , these were the people who thrived .
                It was bankers jumpin to their deaths not po folk .

                • +1 on that Hammerhead,,,
                  Im so broke i cant even pay attention!

                  • Kula, I remember living there, and it is tough to keep yourself up, I remember how expensive everything was because it all had to be shipped in.

                    Ps I lived there from 79 to 92, there is even a chance you know me.

                • The 1929 stock market crash destroyed more money than existed in the economy. Factories closed everywhere. Banks were wiped out along with the depositors’ money. Millions were out of work with no hope of getting a job. This happened at a time when there was no welfare or unemployment.

                  • factories closed everywhere now, banks with monopoly money and millions without jobs… and the stock market didn’t crash yet. add to that sheople with no skills, 17.4 trillion debt, and a gov’t stripping away rights. 1929 will be the good ol’ days.

                  • According to a Russian researcher who evaluated census and immigration data 7 million people dies as a result of The Great Depression that followed. That 5% mortality rate gives me hope.

                    My maternal grandparents did fairly well on the family farm and even my Dad whose father abandoned his mother and her ten children survived on a piece of land not much bigger than mine.

                    We have a lot fewer people on farms now and a lot more people on entitlements because like you said welfare and social security did not exist. Those who learn to work the farms we will need to bring back into production will probably survive while those who have no relevant skills will be doomed.

                  • @PP , yep you got it right .
                    The poor broke family farm will always rise .
                    People just gotta eat no matter class or race.
                    Food trancends all demographics.
                    Its common sense.

                • I interviewed my grandma and 2 other ladies about their lives during the Depression. Two of them were already poor and I can’t recall which of them said that the only real difference was that the beans they lived on had worms in them.

          • Or find a good slaughter house.
            50 lbs. of ground beef ready today @ 3.30 a lb.
            3 years ago, 2.30; 2 years ago, 2.70; last year?? I was stocked.

          • we got a half a cow from our friend in the freezer now 🙂

          • Kula, the article I read said they recalled it because it didn’t receive “the complete inspection” before it was moved out for retail sale. I interpreted the article as meaning that the USDA didn’t get the chance to collect their fees before they sent the meat to market. They’ve approved bad meat before, but they got paid.

            The recall sounds like total crap to me, maybe some bureaucratic posturing.

          • Ditto Kula!

            ..solid advice indeed!

          • We have a cow being cutup now. Organic, no hormones or GMO feed.

        • Dang it! I slipped on take-off… do over

      9. Mac,
        The painting of earth at the top of the page, where’s the polar ice cap?

        • Jezebel, they cut off a big chunk of Canada, too. Now all the polar bears will drown.

        • Al Gore ate it…

        • This is like the new math…new geography!…half of Canadas missing?…so what?…all our real wealth/jobs/and common sense seems to be on the lam too…what a world!

          • yep , common core geography.
            The polar caps have melted and canada is underwater.

            • HH, I used to fish north of Red Lake, Ontario. They have fur bearing mosquitos up there. It can be 30 degrees and snowing and those mosquitos don’t care. They still attack. Normal skeeters would’ve died.

              • maudy, them things fly over here in michigan.
                Still lookin for the wifes toy dog.

              • Were those two- or four-engine mosquitoes?

        • where’s the polar ice cap? it got fried. But the good news is, you can keep warm by cuddling up to a burning polar bear.

      10. well that will be one way to shut down this spying network government now wouldn’t it?

        bring on the power good to go

        oh it will bring on riots you say? Good..maybe in the mayhem some of those that need to go..might be made gone

        • It will be the super duper knock out game.

          • Me and a couple of my friends are ready to play—Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson…

      11. Well we are planning a big shopping trip on Thursday so hopefully it waits til Friday. Winter items are going on clearance now so we buy bigger clothes for the kids a year or two in advance. It’s also time to do some stocking of the pantry. This last month has been a trial to see if we could just eat what we had at home, no shopping or eating out unless it was free from work. It was hard and showed me some things I really need to stock up on. Fresh produce in the winter would be sorely missed by my family.

        • While talking about fresh produce, keep this in mind…

          Sweet Potatoes IMPORTANT INFORMATION

          It’s been said that God first separated the salt water from the fresh, made dry land,
          planted a garden, made animals and fish… All before making a human. He made and provided
          what we’d need before we were born. These are best & more powerful when eaten raw.
          We’re such slow learners…
          God left us a great clue as to what foods help what part of our body!
          God’s Pharmacy! Amazing!
          A sliced Carrot looks the human eye. The pupil, iris and radiating lines
          look just like the human eye… And YES, science now shows carrots greatly enhance
          blood flow to and function of the eyes.
          A Tomato has four chambers and is red. The heart has four chambers and is red.
          All of the research shows tomatoes are loaded with lycopine and are indeed pure heart and blood food.
          Grapes hang in a cluster that has the shape of the heart. Each grape looks like a blood cell
          and all of the research today shows grapes are also profound heart and blood vitalizing food.
          A Walnut looks like a little brain, a left and right hemisphere, upper
          cerebrums and lower cerebellums. Even the wrinkles or folds on the nut are just like the neo-cortex.
          We now know walnuts help develop more than three (3) dozen neuron-transmitters for brain function.
          Kidney Beans actually heal and help maintain kidney function and yes, they look exactly like the human kidneys.
          Celery, Bok Choy, Rhubarb and many more look just like bones. These foods specifically target
          bone strength. Bones are 23% sodium and these foods are 23% sodium. If you don’t have enough sodium in your diet,
          the body pulls it from the bones, thus making them weak. These foods replenish the skeletal needs of the body.
          Avocadoes, Eggplant and Pears target the health and function of the womb and cervix of the female –
          they look just like these organs. Today’s research shows that when a woman eats one avocado a week, it balances
          hormones, sheds unwanted birth weight, and prevents cervical cancers. And how profound is this? It takes exactly
          nine (9) months to grow an avocado from blossom to ripened fruit. There are over 14,000 photolytic chemical
          constituents nutrition in each one of these foods (modern science has only studied and named about 141 of them).
          Figs are full of seeds and hang in twos when they grow. Figs increase the mobility
          of male sperm and increase the numbers of Sperm as well to overcome male sterility.
          Sweet Potatoes look like the pancreas and actually balance the glycemic index of diabetics.
          Olives assist the health and function of the ovaries
          Oranges, Grapefruits, and other Citrus fruits look just like the mammary glands of the female
          and actually assist the health of the breasts and the movement of lymph in and out of the breasts.
          Onions look like the body’s cells. Today’s research shows onions help clear waste materials
          from all of the body cells. They even produce tears which wash the epithelial layers of the eyes. A working
          companion, Garlic, also helps eliminate waste materials and dangerous free radicals from the body.

          May be off topic, but good things to know…

          • And McDonalds hamburgers look the same coming out as going in. Hmmm….

            • That is the reason I do not eat at MAD DOGS, but I bet Sybil E. goes there everyday, sorry had to do it…

          • And Tacos look like a vagina so they must be good for ….Vagina’s???
            Hmmmm, crazy much?

            • An oyster looks like a “lughee”, so eating them must give you “ballistic lughee” super-powers.

      12. Non-perishable foods(most here know :-)), yep..good for ever if kept dry, air free, and cool.
        rice, dried cranberries and most dried fruit(good to know!), honey, molasses, maple syrup, corn syrup, dry mix jello(who knew??), dried beans, frozen pasta, frozen noodles, instant coffee, corn starch, baking soda, salt, pepper, sugar, spices, herbs, extracts, vinegar, and just for Okie…liquors!!

        • When I am busted to drinking instant coffee, it is indeed the end of the world. That is the day 02 goes over the side.

          • Can I have your preps?? 🙂

            • sure, i will trade it all for a decent cup.

          • Easy .02, a little warm Kahlua will do the trick.

          • O2:
            I quit drinking coffee more than one cup a day about 8 years ago, but I still buy it and have put several pounds in my stock pile that gets rotated. So if the SHTF I’ll make sure you will get a pound or two. I would hate to see you take the plunge!;-)
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • You mean those 12 oz pound bags?

        • And for those not knowing this:
          unflavored gelatin is a great substitute for eggs when baking..I used it and no difference even in cornbread.

          • JJ@ May I ask what’s the ratio when substituting with unflavored gelatin for eggs? This is new to me, I’ve not heard of this until now.

            I hope you will share this information. Thanks in advance.

            • Oh, sure, simple.
              1 tsp. unflavored gelatin
              add 3 TB cold water, then 2 TB hot water; stir and use as one egg.
              I used in a cake and it was great and also cornbread.
              Great when out of eggs and ice is on the roads.

            • 1 egg = 1 Tbsp. unflavored gelatin dissolved in 1 Tbsp. cold water. Then add 2 Tbsp. boiling water and beat until frothy.
              1 egg = 2 Tbsp. flaxmeal + 1/8 tsp. baking powder + 3 Tbsp. water
              1 egg = 1 Tbsp. cornstarch + 3 Tbsp. water

              The only one I’ve tried is the gelatin, and I agree it works great! Hope this helps.

          • Thanks, that was very useful info. I have a question. Has anyone here figured out whether it’s possible to preserve fresh avocado? I don’t want guacamole, but a pulp could be acceptable. They are threatening a shortage right now and I was just curious.

            • Cut each avocado in half lengthwise. Whack a chef’s knife (carefully) into the center of the large avocado pit and give it a twist. The avocado pit will come right out.

              Scoop out the ripe avocado flesh with a spoon. Alternatively, score the flesh with a paring knife into cubes or slices and then peel the pieces away from the skin.

              Place the avocado flesh into a blender or, preferably, a food processor. Add 1 tablespoon of lemon or lime juice per 8 ounces avocado flesh (about 1 medium avocado).

              Puree the avocado and citrus juice until very smooth. Transfer the puree to freezer bags or containers. If using bags, press out as much air as possible before sealing. If using freezer containers, leave 1 inch of head space because the avocado will expand somewhat as it freezes. Seal and label.

              • Wonderful, thanks JayJay! Maybe I should set a few cubes aside and see if they can be dehydrated after being coated in the citrus juice.

                • Good luck. Dehydrating is optional but I don’t know..
                  Sounds kinda yucky to me.
                  Yeah, the freezer option is less desirable due to power outage.

            • sixpack, having womb problems? j/k I like your posts

      13. The article overlooked something even more ominous. An EMP on a national scale would fry transformers which are very long-lead items even in good times. It’s debatable if you could make transformers in large numbers without a functioning power grid. As if that’s not enough, starting up downed power plants requires external power. Guess what will be missing in a large-scale EMP?

        Realistically it could take many years, and probably DECADES to get the power grid back. In 1859 electricity was just beginning to be utilized in cities, so the Carrington Event had only minor consequences. Today preppers, survivalists, farmers, hermits, and the Amish would get by but the rest of the world would be in deep doodoo. The article says 90% mortality but I think that’s probably optimistic. And if there is only that tiny group of survivors left, it amounts to a reset button back to the mid 1800’s. Small agrarian communities have to be focused entirely on food, water, and defense, making the rebuilding of society such a low priority it is essentially not on the list.

        So a good sized EMP not only throws us back 150 years but it is even more dangerous due to roving gangs of thugs who will stop at nothing to take what you have.

        • If you can stand the power outage the rest is all in how you put things into perspective. In my neighborhood we would view said roving gangs as an opportunity for a target practice session. They would rove no more.

      14. The author has some misunderstandings about solar flares. EMP weapons generate energy in three waves: E1, E2, and E3, in order from fastest to slowest. The E1 wave occurs over a period of milliseconds, and is the wave which instantly destroys susceptible electronic circuits. This is not produced by solar flares; therefore electronics are safe as long as they’re not connected to the grid. The E2 wave is not very dangerous itself, but the E3 (slow) wave occurs over a period of minutes and induces large currents in long transmission lines, which is likely to destroy the electrical grid and cause fires. Keep your stuff off the grid and it will unaffected by solar flares, though of course a good flare will destroy the grid and therefore civilization as we know it. Long beans and bullets…

        • Nice looking laptop ya got there clem, whats it good for?

          Err I do know billiybob, but i like lookin into it alot.

          • Sucks to be you. I have a diesel genset that will survive anything. You can go back to the 1820s if you like; I’m looking forward to the 2020s. My 1TB hard drive full of every kind of book imaginable is sure going to come in handy.

            • Sucks to be you when you fire that baby up and draw all the zombies from a 5 mile radius.

              • You won’t have that problem if you wait until after they all drop. I believe even if every circuit on the planet is fried, EVENTUALLY, we will start building more. The human race can suffer set-backs, but we can’t be held back forever.

                We created the current electronics from NOTHING…we can do so again.

                • Correct, sixpack. I personally could design a digital computer from scratch if needed, from the furnace and mold to cast iron parts to build the silicon wafer processing and photolithography equipment, to the actual design of the electronic circuits. I’m not the only guy who lives to collect such useful knowledge. ‘Archivist’ is another one of those fellows. Technology is not going away, period. I feel sorry for those guys who think they’re going to be OK running around with swords and muzzle loaders among folks like me who will have heat seeking missiles and laser cannons.

                  • Roger that.

                  • I was going to say 1TB is a good start. I have 30+ TB and am waiting for the market to come out with larger drives, especially in solid state. My dream would be a yottabyte solid state drive. I have tons of technical books, but I also have the classics, novels, magazines, and complete runs of every comic book you’ve ever heard of.

                    The first computer I had with over 1TB of drives in it sounded like a small plane cranking up. I had 10 or 11 hard drives plus 3 or 4 cooling fans in it. A couple of the drives were just lying on the bottom of the case. I’d love to fill that old computer up with huge solid state drives and use it as network storage.

                    One good type of book to look for is the old electrical engineering handbooks. One I have is “Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers” edited by Frank F. Fowle, 6th edition, 1933. It’s a fat one at 2,816 pages. There’s 250 pages just on power transmission and distribution. You need to get more than one, preferably from different years. The older ones spend more time on the more basic information, including older version of infrastructure. The newer ones include radio, TV, and more circuit diagrams.

                    For anyone planning to build any electronic circuits, soldering properly takes practice, so you need to get supplies and start practicing now. Get Make magazine and do some projects. When you get pretty good, find the parts and diagrams to build an “American Five-Tube Radio.” I built one in high school, and it was the best AM radio I ever owned. I wish I still had it. Somehow I managed to hang on to the parts list.

                  • “Technology is not going away, period.”

                    Sorry, but until humans get balanced with nature, everything will go away, it is just a matter of time. Nature and the Universe has plenty of patience, and everything WILL come back to balance because that is the NATURAL LAW you and your computer cant change. Humans have no shortage of narcissism and that is what leads to collapse. Not sometimes, every-time. You think humans haven’t been here before? Maybe you need a shot of King Solomon, “there is nothing new under the sun.” Look at all the dead abandoned empires of the ancients and tell me technology is not going anywhere. For people supposedly awake on this sight, there is no shortage of blindness.

                  • Are all your buildings fire proof? Water system totally secured? Solar panels hidden? All farm animals inside with enough food to last 5 years? Perimeter secured out past 1000 yards? Night vision and Flir in place? Band of trusty worthy friends/relatives that wont cut your throat while you sleep? Good guard dogs and plenty of food for them plus enough male/female ratio to replace the ones lost? All vehicles and farm equipment totally bullet proof? Fire fighting systems in place with enough personnel to run it? Veterinarian on site? All medicines for humans and animals secured for a 10 year duration? Doctor on site? Dentists? Bullet proof clothing from head to foot, not that it is going to do you any good because nothing stops a 300 win mag. Replacement for all moving parts and electrical devices? You have all this covered? I can keep going…

                • It is not a matter of being able to, it is the glaring brokenness of do we want to. How many times do we take from the planet and put back nothing before the planet has nothing left to give? When will man realize we must live with nature and quit dumping plastic/chemicals/wastes in the oceans, rives. streams and air? Short sightedness of “I got mine” is what is leading us to the great die off and yet you guys want to fire the ovens back up and do it all over again because this time is different. I have news for you, no its not.

              • And how can that possibly happen, since you can’t even hear the thing running from 20 feet away? At 650 RPMs–with a muffler twice as big as you–this thing is virtually silent.

                Before deciding to chime in with your unwarranted pessimism, did you ever stop to consider that you’re not the only guy who’s thought things through and might have a viable plan for post-SHTF?

                Feel free to bring up and any all other obvious flaws, so that I can take more time to explain to you how those problems have already been thought of and solved ages ago.

                The hot showers, washing machine, vacuum cleaners, well pump, shop equipment, and yes, computer systems, will still be running at my farmstead long after all the zombies’ corpses have turned to sod.

                Enjoy the 1820s.

                • This is Nathan Cline BTW….I accidentally created two names on here, and it seems my laptops are both logged into a different one.

                • Somebody has a bullet proof Lister genset. good choice!

                • Smell, I can smell an elk @ 500 yards. Diesel.. 5 miles

                • And one well placed 50 cent round changes everything. Go ahead, try to defend against 300 million starving heavily armed desperate people. Have a big cookout and see who shows up. You think you have every base covered, you are a fool. Pride cometh before a fall and you have no shortage of arrogance. Look, I am not even that good of a shot, but I can put 3 in a pie plate @ 600 yards. I make ghillies for every terrain in half a day. If I want to take you out, and I am outside and you are inside you will be out checking the fences and you will never hear the report of the rifle. I am not a murderer and I wouldn’t do that but I guarantee there are way better shots than I that would. Defending is a suckers bet, you cant cover all the bases.. First your guard dog gets it.. a few night later, you guard person has his head removed (Kukri) now you are afraid to step outside because you know they are in waiting.. No thanks, while you are “enjoying” your laptop, I will be living my life freely moving about and enjoying God’s world.

                  • An average rifle with average ammo components and average glass can make the average person into a 500 yard shooter when we’re talking 18″ circles.

                    This is why it’s going to be tough for anyone to ‘defend’ a position.

                    Fixed positions barring significantly greater force multipliers will lose over time. They might cost to take but in modern times they will fall. Building a castle doesn’t work very well anymore.

                  • HisArmsWide,
                    Case in point: Constantinople in 1453. The “unassailable” fortress on the Bosporus is now Istanbul, and Hagia Sophia is surrounded with minarets.

                • Actually, I hope my great great great grand children are riding horses and shooting buffalo with a bow and living in a “healing” world we have poisoned. We are reaching peak everything, water (huge problem) oil, farm land is toxic, all the easy mining of ore is gone, our infrastructure is crumbling, our cities are decaying, municipalities are bankrupting, our currency is damn near dead, we have built mega bombs of destruction and yet you fvkers want washing machines and computer systems? WTF is wrong with you people? have you no eyes to see? Modern Civilization and materialism is the problem.

                  • Yeah, .02, the USA can be so proud that it is the only country that could blow up the entire planet! Or at least make it uninhabitable for a thousand years.

                    Way to go, USA! Get them Google Glass doodads! Stock up on them Swedish vibrators! Spot naked chicks with your very own drone! Quick! Get out there and buy a $60,000 Mercedes-Benz car! Get a Popeil(tm) Combination Hydraulic Enema and Dog Shit Remover!

            • You may have prepared for starving looters, and can likely fend off small parties of people trying to take what you have, but are you prepared for a coordinated attack from a heavily armed band of pillagers?

              You better be, because you can be assured they are preparing for you.

      15. OT
        The people are going to be tested again. How many of the people that were caught unprepared during the last snow (storm) did any preparing?
        Now we have a major ice storm coming. The shelves at the stores are cleared. But I bet very few have a way to heat without electricity.
        The headlines are calling this one catastrophic. The governor is on TV saying to be prepared for no power for days.
        My bet is not very many are prepared. And will be caught off guard.

        • I have a whole wall full of cans of food that can be eaten cold, right from the can. Soups and chili may be a little greasy cold, but they can both be eaten without heating.

          I’ve heated food in the tin cans, over an open fire/coals many times, with nothing more than a can opener and a pair of pliers…eating right out of the can. You can also puncture a small hole in the top of a can and, let it sit in strong sunlight for an hour or so, and it will be pretty warm to eat. Only a can opener is required…an eating utensil is optional.


          • Heating in the can saves precious water too, like using a ziplok will do in boiling water.

      16. I heard they re-named it AR-15, and Chuck Schumer & Dianne Feinstein immediately tried to ban it!

        • Good one!

        • No, they redesigned it.
          With a few cosmetic changes, gun manufacturers recently discovered a way to make the popular AR-15-style
          semi-automatic rifle compliant with New York’s anti-gun SAFE Act.

          • I saw it. Seen the specs. It looks good. Not just a crazy work around.

          • JayJay – I think you missed, my joke, gave you a thumbs-up anyway…

      17. This event is all it would take for MEGA-SHTF. No one would even have to fire any nukes at us. 3 months after the event, at least half of the population will already be history. The nonpreppers will definitely be toast. everyone get your preps in order like yesterday and continue prepping as long as possible. braveheart

        • BREVEHEART:
          Sir, you are correct in your assumption that if this is the BIG ONE that the non preppers will be lost in the first few months if not weeks.
          I have noticed that there has been alot of public annoucements about having 3 to 7 days of food, water, a little cash on hand, flash lighs, batteries, portiable radio.
          If the power goes out every one will be affected sooner or later.
          We as a nation relay to much on electricity, people in those 3rd. world counties will fare far better than we here in the USA.
          I can see it now just like in the L.A. riots, Katrina, the Watts riots in the 60’s, heck even in the tornadoaes that hit around Christmas people were looting. It will be a lot worse. because people will know that it will take years before power comes back on.
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S N.REB

          • NR, I don’t even look at TV anymore, but I’ve heard about the announcements from other people. What do TPTB know that we don’t? Regardless of how MEGA-SHTF takes place, I really do dread it, so my prepping is continuing all the way til’ the last minute.

      18. As cold as its been a blast of anything warm might be welcome…just kidding but hey for real Ive got livestock dropping dead from this prolonged freeze no matter how much feed/shelter they get…not a good thing a tall!

        As I related a week ago I won my long fight with a local tyrant wannabee over free speech and the very next day a dear friends wife calls me and asks me to get to the local medical center as her husband had an emotional issue at his doctors office(a grown man actually…wait for it…shed some tears in a moment of frustration)doc told him to go to the hospital and theyde get him some help for his not sleeping(which was his reason for being at the office in the first place)…short story is I get there and the nurse comes in and demands he sign a form which I had some questions about…get this…they tried to trick him into signing himself into the crazy ward…for being emotional!!!…I took over and ran her out of the room…she came back with another improved form she was sure he would sign and with fatty fat pants the security guard in tow…I told her I was my friends advocate and he was signing nothing and wanted to go home,she throws a hissy fit and tears up the paper then storms out…with me asking her who here really belongs in the crazy house…took a couple hours and they finally told him if he would meet with a councilor they would let him go if not they were going to to “302” him and take any guns he had…now Im POed…pOed but cool…ole REB gave her both barrels and told her they had no grounds to hold him and they would not be 302ing anyone…that they were blowing air and they knew I knew it…I can tell when a hound is bluffing on a trail ;)…finally they relented on all points except for the visit to to councilor…he agreed just to get out of there…I went with him a couple days later and thank God again they had nothing… we were out of there in 15 minutes case closed!…all is well and the taste of victory is sweet,but then the next day…ya the next day…stress will catch up to the best of us…sicker than a dog but with no nausea for a week…fever/chills/aches…you name it,nasty…thank God again after about 4 days I could stand up and see straight…and through all of it I still had to go out into this infernal cold and do my chores and such…theres no time off for being sick on this farm,critters still need care…anyhow Im back on my feet and ready to start my next “fight”…yeeehawwwww!…hope y’all are keeping warm! PS the mail just brought my refund money orderd by the judge last week…things be looking up 🙂

        • God in heaven what a bunch of a-holes!

          Sigh… these people, man. Who the hell do they think they are?

        • Great, so the drs and nurses are the new enemy?

          • Im sure theres alot of good folks in the medical field but some things make me wonder…really wonder

            • Most of us reasonable folks are finding a way out of the medical profession and the people left are those who have no other option and those who love authority, with a few exceptions.

          • People in “AUTHORITY” lie to you. Read, and be very careful of anything that you sign. If you do not understand what it says DO NOT sign it. Thank goodness this person had REB for a friend. We would all hope to be so fortunate.

            • There are a lot of people who hate me, because I stop and read everything before I sign, unless I know the form.

          • REB & .02-

            You bet your ass, they’re the enemy!

            ..told my family doctor/family practitioner of (+25years)..3 weeks ago(she’s female & her husband is a surgeon..I know him too), after a visit/appointment & a pretreatment supplemental interview, via some ‘new’ state administrative lady, in the exam-room, before seeing DR., (new /unfamiliar lady asked quite a few..loaded questions).


            ..said to DR afterwards, that if ever I get grilled/raked over the coals, per my personal life and my hobbies/interests, in her exam room again..per if I possess hunting/or other weapons etc..or suffer from depression/anger episodes/marital strife/drug/alcohol problems/anxiety..etc..etc.

            ..I’m grabbing my records envelope/folder & walking out w/ them & I’m gonna find a new DR.!!!!

            ..’cuz there’s nobody in her office who is big-enough/mean-enough/manly-enough to stop me!!!

            …I was “HOT / PISSED-OFF”….big time!


            Doc said, Miss ‘XXX’ was ‘state(?)gov-employee’ (???) & my appointment just happened to fall/coincide, per her visit & everybody (male) was/has been interviewed today (WTF?!?)

            (((..again, I have paid / private insurance, per my own company/business!!!)))..I’m not on the taxpayers dime!

            ..interestingly enough..

            ..the desk/check-out babe, said all interviewees..were ‘vets’ (her husband is a former Gulf War-#1, tanker/armor guy..M1A2 gunner, good dude too!)..he’s a surveyor now.



   is coming……….SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


            ..that said, may the good LORD above…bless you eternally REB…& especially, may your buddy realize/understand..that a real MAN…had his back…when it COUNTED MOST!!!!


            …& mega RESPECT!!!

            • Bingo, Hunter. See my list of questions to not answer below when visiting the VA doc or the VA hospital or any hospital referred to because VA had no bed.

              • JayJay-

                Miss ‘late 20-something/govt/Orwell’s nightmare’ was smooth in the beginning..but when question #5 was asked:

       you hunt wild game? –(WTF???)!!!–

                –{ding-ding..alarm bells!!!}–
                ..answer = NO!

       you target practice?, I play tennis/ping-pong & chase my wife around the house/bedroom for exercise!

                ..she ‘fake-giggle’..let’s be serious, ok?

                ……ad infinitum questions to see if I’m…hell…I dunno, a domestic drone-target maybe???


                Seriously J-J…I sat thru 10-15min of bullshit questioning..back-n-forth bantering & prying..w/ her checking off boxes & scribbling notes..asked for a copy & to review paperwork..she said OK, just a minute..I’ll use Doctor’s copier..I’ll be right back!

                ..waited 10-15min in exam-room..& in walks my doctor & the scenario picks up where/what I stated/wrote/typed per the/my above post!

                ..lady was gone when I checked out & I never received a copy of “SQUAT”!!!!!


                ..saving grace was check-out babe (her hubby & I are tight)…no worries, she has my back!

                ..good girl!!!!

            • welcome to gov’t run healthcare

            • DH works in a hospital and they have to ask everyone 10 minutes worth of nosey questions. They don’t like it, it’s a waste of time as far as they are concerned, and no one knows what they are going to do with this info. Don’t treat the hospital staff as the enemy (unless they are like that nurse REB dealt with)- they too are impacted by the thousands of unread pages in the ACA which the Senate Dems deemed and passed into an unjust and unconstitutional law.

        • your friend Reb has a real good friend .

          • Thanks hammer…I try…

        • Why, Eisencrud? Are you enjoying it there?

          • US, let’s not feed the troll and maybe it will go away.

        • That idiot needs to get a new doctor..pronto!!

          • Thanks y’all…With respect JJ he is one of the smartest cats Ive ever known… he’s not an idiot…and believe me he had a new one before he got home…very well prepared…a farmer…welder/builder/mechanic…a mid level manager(which is where his stress comes from)…he got into a mess that most no one would have see coming…a simple yearly office visit from hell…they totally fabricated his situation in what appears to have been a diliberate attempt to get him into their facility…needless to say a lawsuit is being considered…sad to see whats going on but they only win if we let them,I refuse to be a victim or allow anyone I can help to become a victim if it can be helped… they can be beat but only if you understand their game and their rules and then beat the hell out of em using their own bat…peaceful resistance wont do much in dealing with these clowns…knowledge of the subject at hand and an “in your face attitude” seem to get their attention…stay warm friends 🙂

            • Gene remember the topics you do NOT talk about or answer questions about on the paper work at VA??
              1- are you suicidal
              2- are you feeling depressed
              3- do you have guns in the home

              • I drill this over and over and over….

                • So, now I have to add-
                  4- are you having trouble sleeping?? REB??

                  • Funny thing was they never had an answer in his case…he wasnt asked any of those questions…they had no idea if he had any guns they were just phishin…and threatening without any basis to go on…he never told them anything(besides one phone call and all his guns were in a safe spot of my choosing…I fixed that one right off the bat :)…his doctor decided he was a threat to himself or others based on his crying a few tears…old moron couldnt deal with or be bothered with what he felt was unmanly behavior…told my friend as much…really a nut this doc!

                    Oh and sleeping can be a challenge at times but I get4 or five hrs a night…plenty, no doctor will ever hear thator anything else from me…aint been to a doc in 40 years and have no plans to see one in the next 40…I figure if I bust something up real bad I may need to see one IF I cant fix it up myself…otherwise Ill just stay away from them and never talk to them…just like any other stranger offering candy theyre best avoided… 😉

                    JJ how is Gene doing?..any better?

                  • Thanks for asking about Gene.
                    The levetiracetam must be doing the trick fro those seizures and he still has he aneurysm in the base of his neck; Vanderbilt said the risk was too great.
                    Now, I still have my clothes ready if we need to make an emergency visit to the hospital.;-)
                    On the subject at hand, I thought your friend was asking for sleeping pills and the brain of the nurse started taking leaps and she decided he had suicide on his mind??

                    Gene works about 8-10 hours a day–today in mud in the, it isn’t all frozen ground here when the skidder and loader get moving.
                    He seems to like working with the Amish; although there are some drawbacks–like he sometimes wants to carry a flashlight in the mill; the lanterns aren’t much pumpkin.
                    He is paid for his logging expertise, experience and knowledge and that probably helps his self esteem (as much as his bank account :-))
                    I can just say he is fine till he isn’t –many are like that today.
                    Thank God for VA disability for that deadly agent orange he was in while playing cards, playing with rifles, drinking lots of beer and playing with mud houses in the roads they were playfully building for the other soldiers playing with tanks and trucks.
                    {{{That was for someone special here reading this.}}}
                    We are getting rich with that VA disability he earned for playing for two years in the jungles and eating that vile, poisonous agent orange.
                    🙂 facetious, yes. 🙂 sarcastic, yes.
                    I thank God every day for Gene, and His will be done.

                • Jay Jay. What Va do you use.

                  I have never ran into any of this and I receive all care at Va.

                  I am rated disable for PTSD. Take max. SSRI and ssni possible. Plus injectable sleep plus more pain pill than they give a horse for a broken leg daily.

                  I own form 4 weapons more guns then most police forces. I am still a exploise expert and have many access to mine explosives. Go to all the meeting for crazy vets. The only question I get from anyone is what are my farvites.

                  And when Atf visits its never aboue why or what I have..

                  The only vets I have seen there gun taken. Truly needed them taken away. There are crazy ones

                  • Gene hasn’t been quizzed yet or faced any questionnaires(except the one about giving a blood sample for some study and that went in the trash!!)
                    I’m just getting him ready.
                    Any answers computed or on paper are legend forever.

                    I read the veterans being attacked with these unconstitutional questions are the recent soldiers, not old vets like Gene.
                    Nashville is NOT a good place to go for medical needs.

                  • WJY is ATF visiting?? Gee!!!

        • Who is the Dr.?
          This guy needs to “visited” with extreme prejudice.

        • REB


          • Ya but leaving him on his own wasnt an option…character flaw I guess…

        • I usually stay away from “I can lift my leg higher than you” comments, but why in the world would you pick on a friend helping another?

        • Reb, you probably picked up some virus at the sickotorium, er, I mean, hospital.

          • The thought crossed my mind…and with being stressed and run down to boot it musta thought it wanted to go home with me…I havent been sick in five years and seldom have any issues but whatever it was its gone now thank God and my special redhot sauce ;)…stay warm six!

        • You should have NEVER started up your shit in the first place. You are a marked man…

      19. We’re possibly having a major snow/ice event Wednesday, but the shelves were full of bread today.

        • On Your Mark, Get Set……….Go!


        • Oh, my!!

      21. A Carrington Event would burn everyone’s house wouldn’t it?

        • @02 , i have heard that it is a good possibility.
          But i am not an electrician .
          anybody got info on this ?

          • I’m not an electrician either, but I understand that structures all have an earth ground to protect against that. Our old fuse box had a copper rod that was driven into the ground outside. I understand sometimes the old pipes are used as a ground. The idea being that the electrical current goes through the house and into the ground where it becomes harmless…please, any electricians out there to tell me whether I understand this correctly?

            • In general regular 110v you have three wires…black is the hot wire…white is the neutral and generally your ground wire is a bare piece of copper or sometimes its a green wire…electric is always seeking a ground via the path of least resistance…a good solid pipe/metal bar driven deep into the ground provides a safe place for juice to find that ground otherwise it might go through your body to find one…generally itll flow to a good ground before itll go through you…used to be very afraid of it till I learned that like fire it can be tamed but never trusted…it demands you respect it and it makes/accepts no excuses for any violation…I can wire up most anything but even though I understand the theory Im not real good at “splainin” it…hope that helps a bit 🙂

              • Reb, you explained it well, also remember, electricity is a two way street, can go both ways (sounds like Sybil E.)but with that said, 110v will make you jump, 220v will knock you backwards, and 440v will make your hair smoke….

                • EPPE:
                  AIN’T 3 PHASE FUN !;-)
                  S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

                • Saw a cocky fella once get careless and grab hold of 440AC he flew across the room like a bird… 🙂

              • Reb, I’ve never been afraid of electricity either, once I learned how not to make myself a “path of least resistance”. I can wire anything that’s big enough for me to see it clearly.

          • It’s entirely possible, easy and affordable to put fusible links inline with your power drop. Look into it.

      22. OOPS, I spoke WAY too soon!

        • There ya are, you were missed!

      23. And now for some good news: No new indoor shopping malls have been built in the United States since 2006.

        • They have all the fema housing needed… 🙂

          • Luckily, nylon tents don’t need much electrical grounding…

      24. Tess forgot hospitals and nursing homes dependent on life-saving machines.

        • Thin the herd. Has to start somewhere.

          • FBP, how have you been? I hope you’re getting off those meds, man, you had me worried.

          • facebook-

            Define the “herd”..per your opinion, sir..and please be specific as possible!!


            • Any none producer and anyone who no longer has the ability to survive without someone else being forced to help or do it for them

              • As if those people have nothing to add socially and spiritually to the well being of their community.

      25. No, a Carrington Event would blow the fuses in your box ( not before it killed most electronics), though I would flip the main bus first if I had advanced knowledge.

        Not that it would matter. There are 5 boiling water Mark1/2 nuclear reactors in Illinois alone, and over 100 reactors of all types world wide. No power equals 100 FUKUSHIMA melt-downs making all of preps and worries null and void.

        If it happens, we are all toast.

      26. Just watch how those “friends” will evaporate overnight!

        Does an entire church congregation count?? 🙁

        • Does an entire church congregation count??

          JAY JAY , Yes it does , when they decide to start a food pantry and have a food drive and expect that farmers can contribute hundreds of pounds of fresh meat while only asking for canned goods from everyone else.
          Everyone has a line in the sand.
          Not to sound cheap or uncareing but ….
          a man has to now his limitations- clint eastwood

          • Oh, heck I can beat that.
            The church I attended for 2 years helped build a house for a family that lost their shack to fire–instead of helping them rent or buy mobile on the land they owned!!

            Not one member of the church has seen before or after the charity one member of that large 3 generational family.
            It was not the place of the church to do that with the congregation’s money–the family qualified for federal housing.

            • The Govt. now controls the pulpit.
              “that large 3 generational family” …..I can only imagine.

            • They must have been pretty influential members. Probably everyone else would’ve gotten a free tent and national park fees.

              • The house was built for a family I never laid eyes on..and the congregation didn’t know them.

                • Preacher might have gotten some money under the table.

                  • Maudy-

                    ..or perhaps the preacher received some “SERIOUS” personal stress-relief on the side..per Bill Clinton style!!!

                    ..happens here too..quite frequently, mind you!

                • Well then, in my eyes, that was a “charitable contribution” worthy almost of saint hood.

          • @ hammerhead. Clint Eastwood is one of my all time favorite actors. I have pushed myself beyond my limitations too often and really paid for it. I hope I am smart enough to learn from this the next time.

            • B.I.
              With all this doom and gloom and now the EMP solar flairs coming at us. And This is the most powerful solar flair in the world and it will melt your head clean of. I have on question ???????????????
              ” DO YOU FEEL LUCKY PUNK, WELL DO YOU”???!;-)
              I do feel lucky and I think most of us on this page do to. May be that flare will melt away the 2 plus foot of snow I have in the yard.!;-)
              Nothing ment by the punk term., just having a little fun.
              Clint is one of my favorites also. Another Clint, Clint Walker is another.

            • @Be Informed,

              Clint is my all time favorite people as well. Have damn near all of his movies and could watch each of them over and over.

              Would be fun some day to get the crew here together for a beer and a movie some day.

              Probably never happen, but it would be fun.

              God Bless,

              • NORSE;
                Where is here? I don’t drink but I’ll bring some soda pop and pop corn.!;-)
                S.T.S.F.P. N.R N.S N.REB

                • N.R. And thus the reason it will probably never happen…we are all leery of giving too much personal info out for OPSEC reasons. Would be a lot of fun to have real contact with members on this site somehow without giving up personal details.

                  Truthfully, I really don’t drink much either. Have had a case of beer that I got back in October that is about 1/2 gone.

                  God Bless,

              • @ Norse Prepper. Thank you for the link 170 best Clint Eastwood quotes, I have just bookmarked this to whenever I am feeling down. Clint Eastwood is so cool.

                • BI and NP, I just finished watching that video and bookmarked it myself. Enjoyed it immensely. NP, thank you for posting that link.

              • Funny I got a red thumb by posting a link to Clint Eastwood quotes with no commentary.

                I love that video…

                • You must have offended someone who gives you thumbs down for showing up. I’ve seen them do that to others.

          • Dieing ain’t much of a living boy.
            Josey Wales

            • You gonna pull them pistols or whistle Dixie?…Josey Wales

              • Is that a ten gallon hat or are you just happy to see me? Blazing Saddles.

                • If a man can have two wives why cant a woman have two husbands? Partner what is your name anyhow? Silvester Newell. Paint your Wagon.

              • BI, NR, .02, and REB, We ought to start up a Clint Eastwood fan club here. I’m also a fan. “A man has got to know his limitations.”—-Dirty Harry

                • BRAVEHEART;
                  I wonder if he would like a shot at the White House.
                  He would make a good Prez. I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. Proably the only republican I would vote for , Well maybe Cruz or Paul.
                  S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      27. So what happens when the 102 nuke plants in the US lose backup cooling. Fukushima times 102 anyone. No nukes in my state, but 6 across the WESTERN border. I’m probably toast, hold the butter.

        • I guess we all band together, hoof it to Texas and then infiltrate Mexico via Matamoros.This way we can stay on the gulf and catch fishes. With the nukes burning down, we will have to hoof it into the southern hemisphere along the gulf coast and Atlantic side. the Pacific is already shot.

          • The gulf is forever toxic.

            Keep preppin’

      28. I got my Faraday Cage ready using information from a thread on SHTF, but I forgot who posted it. Thanks for that information!
        Had been lax about going to the stored widgets and getting out what needed to go into the cage because it is so darned cold. But after reading this article, I spent the afternoon finding, wrapping and storing my list of stuff. All but one thing, which is hiding somewhere but I will find it. And I will be glad I have done it.

      29. Maybe a EMP would melt some of this dadblamed snow? I went and cut a load of firewood today in the snow. seen a neighbor doing the very same thing! Not my perfered way to have fun. Any road there is supposed to be warmer weather by the weekend.

        • Our snow is all gone now, except for the huge pile of it my neighbor was so kind as to shovel in front of my front door….did I mention that I really hate that neighbor?

      30. My trust, first and foremost, is in the God I pray to.

        But God trusts me to use my head, which is why my electronics will be in a Galvanized Steel Trash Can insulated with Cardboard all the way around the sides and top to bottom.

        I can’t be prepared for every single thing that could happen, or is even likely to happen. Those that ARE that well prepared build themselves underground cities.

        So I can only be prepared for what is within financial and other reason.

        Got your candles?

        Got your wind-up flashlights?

        Got your EMP-protected: flashlights, rechargeable batteries, and solar charger system for those batteries?

        One of the cheapest and best preps I ever bought was a headlamp powered by 3 AAA batteries. Lowered my electric bill at night a lot, believe it or not.

        The other cheap prep was buying 2 wool blankets at Harbor Freight (80% wool) for just nine dollars each. Keeps me real warm at night.

        Yesterday’s article was about keeping an eye on nukes abroad.

        Today’s is about keeping an eye on solar flares.

        And yes, that’s all well and good.

        But my eyes are on what is happening right here and now, meaning, my eyes are on the SKIES and the 20-inches of snow coming my way tomorrow into Thursday.

        Won’t be no gas for the generators or snow blowers if the power goes out– gas pumps need electricity to pump.

        Coming up from the South. Georgia will be hit real hard.

        I’m expecting it to knock out power for tons more folks, and dominate the news and distract us from all the other evil or darkness hitting us: chem trails in the skies to make us sick, gmo food to give us cancer that even Monsanto people won’t eat, fukoshima radiation, virus-filled vaccinations designed to cause autism in kids and nasty other stuff.

        Why can’t the media cover those issues as much as they cover the darn Super Bowl?

        I can take bad weather. In fact, I can take more bad weather in spurts.

        But extreme aberrant weather?

        Pay attention, my friends.

        Someone’s messin’ with us– to kill, or at least distract us.

        And from all the use it gets, doesn’t that HAARP machine in Alaska EVER break down?

        – the Lone Ranger

        “Always tell the truth, it will astonish some, and gratify the rest.” Harry S. Truman

        “Truth is stranger than fiction.” – unknown

        “It is no secret that evil is live spelled backwards.” – Dr. M. Scott Peck

        “Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
        “Here comes the sun and I say
        ” It’s alright…
        – George Harrison

        • Fvk all that crap, I have a torch and a pitchfork, just like our fore fathers..

          • Now that could really work!

          • Yeah? And what do you dip your torch in when your gas or kerosene runs out a year or so down the road, 02?

            – the Lone Ranger

            “Those that think they know it all upset those of us who do!” – wink wink! 🙂

            • Gasoline and kerosene are not the only flammable liquids. There’s alcohol, corn oil, rapeseed oil (canola), etc., all available anywhere you want to produce them.

            • Pine pitch man.. where you been? Nature will cover all your needs all you have to do is cast off this consumerism and live like an Indian.

            • Hog grease man hog grease 🙂

        • Might want to store some sensitive items in a metal can (i.e. faraday cage)

        • “Got your EMP-protected: flashlights, rechargeable batteries, and solar charger system for those batteries?”

          Got your chlorine bleach and a healthy-sized supply of urine for those ducts, in those underground bunkers?

          …see how they run…

      31. whoever ‘eisen’s brother’ is, I’ll cheer him on. he’s having some fun at the troll’s expense and I’m not about to spoil it.

      32. I remember when I was about 15; I saw Cher on the cover of Time magazine; and I almost had a coronal mass ejection.

      33. I got the orchard and vineyard pruned, just in time, I think…daffodils are already peeking thru the mulch!

        • My daffodils were a few inches high when the snow and ice hit. I wonder if they’ll make it this year.

          • I had blooming pansies in the boxes on my porch one spring.

            • Gosh either I need to go to bed, or we need edit.

              Okay, I had blooming pansies in my boxes in the snow one spring…it was really pretty, those blooms popping up in that white snow.

              • ??? You had bloomin’ pansies in your boxers? Okay, maybe it is getting late…or early.

          • sixpack–I don’t know your location, but in Tennessee and Kentucky, the daffodils are blooming in the snow here.

          • Depends…I often see them survive teen temps here when theyve almost bloomed and they made it….should be fine…

            • what kind of idiot would thumb down your comment on daffodils surviving ice?

              • Different kind of animal for sure eh Sixpack…really they aint worth the time it takes to acknowledge they exist… 🙂

      34. After the winter we have had in central Illinois, PLEASE bring on those solrar flares. Just kidding. but sure would like to see some warm weather!;-)
        S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      35. Do not fret about this.

        I do not believe that there will be a total grid take down in where there is no communication capability and throw us back into the 1800’s for years on end.

        I am more inclined to believe an event will be staged to remove competing messages so that only one voice can be heard. And to hear that message, to have access, you have to pledge allegiance to that authority.

        Everybody be safe and be aware.

      36. Natural Disasters are only a matter of when not if, and the government has proven to be poorly equipped to aid anyone. In fact, I would argue that the government uses the incident to only ensure people it desires to live lives and those it does not won’t.
        Its ability to take away food and water stores, medical sick care, and etc make this quite plain.

        Common Sense dictates that things can get pretty interesting to put it simply.

      37. Any body heard from Braveheart Lately?
        It unlike him not to check in at least once.

        Semper Fi 8541

        • He’s here, Night Breaker.

        • Not today, he was here yesterday though. I did notice his absence today too. Hopefully he is just busy.

          • He’s on a mission!
            ..a serious clandestine mission to boot!

            ..some central Florida faggot is in for an ass whuppin’.

        • ctrl-f

      38. I do not think it would burn everyone’s house down, as the automatic circuit breakers would hopefully kick in, and shut off power to most, so though will be fried.

      39. the sky is falling
        the sky is falling

        Chicken Little

        Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing.

        One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.

        – My, oh, my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it, – says Chicken Little and begins to run.

        She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen.

        – Where are you going? – asks the hen.

        – Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it.

        – How do you know it? – asks Henny Penny.

        – It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so, – says Chicken Little.

        – Let me go with you! – says Henny Penny. – Run, run.

        So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky.

        – The sky is falling, – says Henny Penny. – We are going to the lion to tell him about it.

        – How do you know that? – asks Ducky Lucky.

        – It hit Chicken Little on the head, – says Henny Penny.

        – May I come with you? – asks Ducky Lucky.

        – Come, – says Henny Penny.

        So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey.

        – Where are you going? – asks Foxey Loxey.

        – The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it, – says Ducky Lucky.

        – Do you know where he lives? – asks the fox.

        – I don’t, – says Chicken Little.

        – I don’t, – says Henny Penny.

        – I don’t, – says Ducky Lucky.

        – I do, – says Foxey Loxey. – Come with me and I can show you the way.

        He walks on and on until he comes to his den.

        – Come right in, – says Foxey Loxey.

        They all go in, but they never, never come out again.



      40. Greetings…Thought I’d pop in on some EMP tips. Faraday cages can be costly to make, but not all the difficult, A conductive, grounded, wire mesh can save you a lot of hassle in an EMP scenario. Alternatively, an old microwave, grounded, is essentially the same thing. So instead of tossing out the old busted microwave, bury it, strip away the plug, place the exposed copper from the plug on a ground rod and shove it in the ground. This will allow you to easily store away a pair of two way or ham radios, gps devices, anything small enough to fit that you would like to possibly hold on to. Hope this is turns out to be useful,

        • Ordinary 1/4″ or 1/2″ hardware mesh works just fine, and it is affordable, not too hard to work with, build wood frames, one layer around the inside, one layer around the outside, ground wires from each layer, and you are done.

      41. Off Topic: What are snow fleas?

        Great info here today! Thanks….

        Prayers for health and safety for you all. Yeesh….I wish I had more time and money to get ready. I know I shouldn’t fear….but it’s hard not to sometimes with so much going on.

        I really envy some of you….


        • Envy is a waste of energy, focus and move forward.

        • PKL:
          You will be ok just do what you can, a little at a time. By now you should have a week or more of food, water and personal items. Look around your house for what you all ready have with out going to your prepps.
          Do not be afraid to go to any food pantries for some assistance now to help you get ready.
          Then after the SHTF. dont be afraid of going to the red cross stations or even fema stations for emergency supplies. Just remember you don’t tell them everything when they you personal questions. You want to fit in with the rest of the people at are looking for help. You take blankets, water, food, medications, soap, toothpaste, ECT. you can put that with your stash Don’t act any different than the rest of the people around you. If you do they will be checking you out to see why you don’t need any help when every one else does.
          My prayers are with you.
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • NR: Thanks….would really like not to have to do that…but good advice. Actually, that is great advice for all I’m thinking….keep you/me/us off the radar.

            Seriously….what are snow fleas?


            • Snow Fleas: From another site…..

              Fleas…Is Bubonic Plague in our Future?

              Hi Steve I just had something happen here I have never seen before. (see photos below) We had a very intense snow storm which lasted about 2 hours come through here, about 2 hours ago which left about 3 inches of snow. I decide to go out and clean off the deck and sidewalk a few minutes ago. Just as was starting to clean the snow off the sidewalk I noticed very small black specks all over the snow. I looked closer and notice the specks were Flea’s. I started looking around me and noticed there were flea’s everywhere. Thousands and thousands of flea’s. I took a few pictures that I have attached. Have you ever hear of something like this happen after a snow storm. As the storm was occurring I heard several jet aircraft fly over. We are in Craig Montana and very seldom hear jet aircraft flying overhead during a snow storm or for that matter at anytime. There is a low altitude airway that comes over the house with an MEA (minimum enroute altitude) of 13,000 feet. So if I could hear the aircraft, (atleast 3) they more than likely were on the airway and the fact that I heard the aircraft within 10 minutes of each other means something was going on. What do you think? John / Craig Montana


      42. could we please stay on topic here …


        isn’t the sun

        isn’t a wandering asteroid

        isn’t old mother nature




          • There’s the Big T I know.

            • i heard you had died old man … don’t let us stop hold you back from anything .


        • There is a nugget of truth in there, covered by your usual batter of mindless jew-hate.

      43. Since we are at the whim of nature that GOD made eons ago, how about some kids questions to GOD?

        >A Nun asked her class to write notes to God.
        >Here are some they handed in:
        >Dear God:
        >I didn’t think orange went with purple until I saw the sunset You made
        >Tuesday. That was cool.
        >Dear God:
        >Instead of letting people die and having to make new ones, why don’t
        >keep the ones You already have?
        >Dear God:
        >Maybe Cain and Abel would not have killed each other if they had their
        >rooms. That’s what my Mom did for me and my brother.
        >Dear God:
        >If You watch me in church on Sunday, I’ll show You my new shoes.
        >Dear God:
        >I bet it is very hard to love everyone in the whole world. There are
        >only 4
        >people in our family and I’m having a hard time loving all of them.
        >Dear God:
        >In school they told us what You do. Who does it when You are on
        >Dear God:
        >Are You really invisible or is it just a trick?
        >Dear God:
        >Is it true my father won’t get into heaven if he uses his bowling words
        >the house?
        >Dear God:
        >Did You mean for the giraffe to look like that or was it an accident?
        >Dear God:
        >Who draws the lines around the countries?
        >Dear God:
        >I went to this wedding and they kissed right in the church. Is that OK?
        >Dear God:
        >Did You really mean “do unto others as they do unto you”? Because if
        >did, then I’m going to get my brother good.
        >Dear God:
        >Thank You for the baby brother, but I think you got confused because
        >what I
        >prayed for was a puppy.
        >Dear God:
        >Please send me a pony. I never asked for anything before. You can look
        >Dear God:
        >I want to be just like my Daddy when I get big, but not with so much
        >all over.
        >Dear God:
        >You don’t have to worry about me; I always look both ways.
        >Dear God:
        >I think about You sometimes, even when I’m not praying.
        >Dear God:
        >Of all the people who worked for You, I like Noah and David the best.
        >Dear God:
        >My brother told me about being born but it doesn’t sound right. They’re
        >kidding, aren’t they?
        >Dear God:
        >I would like to live 900 years just like the guy in the Bible.
        >Dear God:
        >We read Thomas Edison made light. But in Sunday school they said You
        >did it.
        >So, I bet he stole Your idea.

        • EPPE:
          Another great one. Thanks, Please keep’m com’n
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • I try, it is hard to do with Sybil E. commenting his filth, but we must kepp on keeping on…

        • Eppe, you do so well with humor. keep it coming.

      44. The thing that scares me the most about something like this happening is fires. We can all be prepared, but from what I have read of the 1859 event, sparks showered from the keys on telegraphs and in some cases telegraph poles actually caught fire. If this much energy comes into our homes today, even with the main breaker off, there is going to be a lot of arcing and exploding electrical equipment. We could loose everything that we have built up over the years. Depending on how much time we have after an initial warning, my thought is to shut off the main breaker, go out and remove the meter from the side of the house and disconnect everything I can. Has anyone else given this any thought and came up with any possible solutions?

        • I would shut off the main breaker and all the other breakers. If you can remove the meter, I would do that. I would also unplug everything from wall sockets. I would take down my computer system and unplug all cords just in case they’re long enough for a flare to induce currents in them. I would unplug all TV cables and stereo cables also.

      45. Talking about black spots on the sun…


        King Of Pain Lyrics

        There’s a little black spot on the Sun today
        It’s the same old thing as yesterday
        There’s a black hat caught in a high tree top
        There’s a flag pole rag and the wind won’t stop

        I have stood here before inside the pouring rain
        With the world turning circles running ’round my brain
        I guess I’m always hoping that you’ll end this reign
        But it’s my destiny to be the king of pain

        There’s a little black spot on the Sun today (that’s my soul up there)
        It’s the same old thing as yesterday (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a black hat caught in a high tree top (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a flag pole rag and the wind won’t stop (that’s my soul up there)

        I have stood here before inside the pouring rain
        With the world turning circles running ’round my brain
        I guess I’m always hoping that you’ll end this reign
        But it’s my destiny to be the king of pain

        There’s a fossil that’s trapped in a high cliff wall (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a dead salmon frozen in a waterfall (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a blue whale beached by a springtide’s ebb (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a butterfly trapped in a spider’s web (that’s my soul up there)

        I have stood here before inside the pouring rain
        With the world turning circles running ’round my brain
        I guess I’m always hoping that you’ll end this reign
        But it’s my destiny to be the king of pain

        There’s a king on a throne with his eyes torn out
        There’s a blind man looking for a shadow of doubt
        There’s a rich man sleeping on a golden bed
        There’s a skeleton choking on a crust of bread

        King of pain

        There’s a red fox torn by a huntsman’s pack (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a black winged gull with a broken back (that’s my soul up there)
        There’s a little black spot on the Sun today
        It’s the same old thing as yesterday

        I have stood here before inside the pouring rain
        With the world turning circles running ’round my brain
        I guess I’m always hoping that you’ll end this reign
        But it’s my destiny to be the king of pain
        King of pain
        King of pain
        King of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain
        I’ll always be king of pain

        • That’s the first time I have ever understood that song.
          I don’t know why, but…….. wow.

        • good thing there were no Air Jordans in the isles, some one have been hurt!

        • Holy crap! That’s a lot of sammiches.

      46. Bring it out to the desert so I can track you down.


        The new AR-15 design did away with the pistol grip which gives the gun an odd paintball gun look. The stock is fixed as well, but at least New Yorkers now have a legal way to own an AR-15, a fact which is still driving some gun control activists mad.

      48. Eisen speak for yourself. The G.I. Bill after WW2 made this country a whole lot better. What did you ever do to,contribute or sacrifice for this country. They could double my taxes if it meant that veterans would get a shot to make it. Military pay barely makes ends meet as it is and we owe these guys big time. Again eisen…FU.

        • California pays roughly 22.7 BILLION for public servants’ retirement each year.
          It’s really more for 527 get $200,000 annually.

      49. Whopdedo Eisen. They bought those rounds for you,just you.

      50. But you have to come out sometime, be ready you never know who will be waiting for you.

      51. USDA has found that Chinas meat inspection progam is equivalent to the US

        Which is why I have an order for 50 (1 lb. packages) of ground beef from the slaughter house.
        And chicken.
        And those special boxes of 13 pieces of meat for $20 from Piggly-Wiggly come from the same slaughter house.

      52. Do not leave your house

      53. The TRUE once free AMERICA Enemy Unmasked

        read and learn prepper children


        THE Jesuit order has taken over ZOG AmeriKa and is using it for their own purposes. The United States of once free America is at the brink of total collapse.

        Once a great and powerful nation, the United States is now in a free fall to disaster from which she will never recover.

        A few more steps in its decline and it will be ruined.

        These are not easy words for anyone to read, but, nevertheless, they are absolutely true.

        Tragically, it need not have come to this. As one looks at the history of nations, from Babylon to Rome to America, it is evident that the human spirit was protecting and guiding America.

        This country began as a few colonies on the Eastern seaboard of this vast land and became a great nation.

        But throughout its history a most secretive enemy has been stalking America for over 200 years. She is about to apply the death grip from which America will never recover.

        do you know who the enemy is, who they have used in history, who is aiding them today, and how the final scenes will unfold ???

        * it’s the black jesuits , fake inbred brit / netherlands royals , zio-jeeews AND YOUR VERY OWN TRAITOROUS SOLD-OUT CORRUPT CRIMINAL NWO ZOG FEDGOV STATEGOV dummy .


      54. From 0hedge and ot: In 1945, there were 42 workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits. Today, that number has fallen to 2.5 workers, and if you eliminate all government workers, that leaves only 1.6 private sector workers for every retiree receiving Social Security benefits.

        We are doomed.

        • I just now signed up for the social security Ponzi scheme. Im supposed to receive my first payment on or about the third wed of this month. If I can recoup what ive paid in I will be happy. Obama instituted the payroll tax holiday. It was For a couple of years. That didn’t reduce the income tax. It reduced the withholding of the social security tax from about 7% to 4% . A result was that for the very first time Social security ran in the red. In 2012 the social security paid out more than it took in. Really smart reduce Social security revenue Just as the first wave of baby boomers are starting to retire?

          • Congratulations. I got my first check today. Even had the cola increase in it. I am the same as you, hoping I at least get my money back. I will never understand the payroll holiday BS. If the system is as bad as they say it is, then why would they cut back on what is coming in. I almost get the feeling they are trying to bankrupt the system. The latest figures I read said that that 2 percent cut took approximately $10 billion out of the system per month.

      55. Redacted…such a big word.

        .308 Winchester 168gr A-MAX TAP decent round. I prefer the venerable 54R cost basis wise. Saw this quote on a Tshirt somewhere “54r, because sometimes bad guys hide behind things”

      56. they are going to kill the internet


        then launch internet II

        they are going to charge you just to look at

        and other anti-establish sites

        so they can MK-ULTRA BRAINWASH control you even more .

        what are you going to do to stop that ???

        Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ;0p

        i thought so …


      57. For those wondering about a CME affecting you on the ground. Yes it can IF it is large enough. This is why aircraft will often fly on alternatives courses away from the magnetic poles to avoid excessive amounts of cosmic radiation to the crews. Large enough discharges of particles CAN reach the ground penetrating the protective atmospheric layers, the ozone layers. It is thought that either this occurred or a gamma ray pulse hit the planet during one or more of the past mass extinctions in geological history.

        Makes sense since something heavily damaging the protective ozone layer would severely affect the oceans and the plankton, plant and food supply to many life forms. Yes, there will be more cosmic radiation depending on the size of the CME and the radiation levels of it.

      58. ok eisen, normally I don’t partake in this, but this I can’t let go. first off, you bring a briefcase to work at an organic farm? and then put a doorstop in it… what door? not buying yourself much time with that extra effort.

      59. E:
        No. A CME is electro-magnetic, there is very little radiation in it when it hit Earth, about as much as a chest xray if that.
        The only thing it does is mess with electrical devices, anything with transitors in them. Radios, computers, TV’s, some lighting, or any thing that has an armature in it.
        S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • @ Crimera. Boston area is capable of a low to mid 6 range. This is where you get one every several hundred years or so. This zone is probably connected to where the Asia, North America, and African plates form a triple junction point on the Mid Atlantic Ridge. Watch this point IF there is a large earthquake IF the Boston, New York area was going to get hit with anything sizeable.

      60. I see the rumor mill is going strong Holder to step down latter this year. If true, watch closely of the date, because, sh~t just may hit the fan shortly thereafter. A lot of big rodents will and are jumping ship, could be the year.

      61. Is this site about SHTF events or is it a forum for Eisen and BI to flame each other and to argue with everyone about why they are doing it? It does make reading the comments much faster though since I can fly past certain posters without ever reading what they have to say because it appears to be all about flaming. Once you lose your credibility, you will never get it back so might as well change your handle.

      62. It says 90% die-off like it’s a bad thing 🙂

      63. Why is everyone writing about Eisenkraut when he aint posting? or is he disappeared now. Did Mac finally pull his eplug or somethin?

        I got a metal cabinet that needs to be made into a Faraday cage. Got me a project this weekend I reckon. Let it snow.
        Yall stay safe now.

        • Calgacus, that metal cabinet will make a good faraday cage with some insulation. I use packing bubbles I bought from U-Haul inside a metal trash can [$25 at Home Depot]. I’ve had numerous people advise me DO NOT GROUND the faraday cage. On our favorite troll, I think Mac may have finally had his fill of the troll. If so, I support his move and I think everyone else will also.

      64. Wow again. Is it me, or have all of dumbass E’s posts been scrubbed? He must have said something waaaaaay over the top.

      65. We didn’t start the Fire,
        it was always burning,
        since the world’s been turning.
        We didn’t start the Fire,
        No; we didn’t light it,
        But we tried to fight it.

        I can’t take it anymore!

        Billy Joel

      66. Oh how I miss JOG with all of these solar events. Anybody heard from him?

        • Do your own research!
          JOG seemed to be very troubled and
          HOMELESS …..way too “mysterious ” all the time.

      67. mac, if you deleted the troll’s posts, I support that and I’m sure everyone else here would also. That makes my day.

      68. This story is NONSENSE!
        Please go to YouTube and search for Suspicious0bserver (spelled with a zero) and watch the daily news by Helio Physicists.

      69. All people can do to prepare is try to live in a safe place, have preps, get healthy as possible and be alert. You can’t stop a CME, earthquake, plague, financial collapse or anything else. Live your life while you can, be happy, don’t worry.

        • Maudy you pretty much got it covered with that statement.

      70. Has eisenkruez been banned? I see all of its comments have been removed overnight.

      71. Well well looks like someone FINALLY flushed the toilet !

      72. On a serious note, I just read an article on, about satellite based EMP weapons. Already in place. Probably would be worse than 1 or 2 nukes going off on the west coast. But not as bad as say 20 nukes.

        • Maudy,
          It’s, but I figured it out. Thanks.

      73. 8The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. 9Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory.…

      74. 6.9 shallow earthquake in China. With after shocks.

      75. That earthquake I have been warning about on the China and India border region occurred 6.9 in size. THIS IS NOT the whopper that is way overdue. That one will be a mega or super mega quake. The northern Austrailian plate remains quite dangerous, as does the northern Pacific, Cocos, Nazca, and sort of the Philippine and Caribbean plates.

        • When the Chinese have earthquakes they have some big ones. How big was the one that killed about 700,000 some years ago?

          • @ Maudy Frickett. July 28, 1976. Some put the earthquake at ONLY 7.5, while others have had it at 7.9 or even 8.1. The death toll ranges from a low of 255,000 to more than 800,000. Chinese news didn’t want others to think China was so backwards that 3/4 of a million people could die from a mid 7 to 8 range quake.

      76. Mac, kudos to you for removing the posts of our favorite troll. I don’t blame you.

      77. If we get zinged by a solar flare. There is nothing you can do about it. That is a direct hit.
        If it hits the other side of the planet, we will in the stone age again after a short period of time.
        So I don’t know if all the prepps are going to make a difference. Only time will tell.

      78. Personally, I’m not at all worried about the power grid going down. I live in a small town with plenty of wild game and places to fish…and I know how to do both as well as how to raise a garden. So, yeah….it can go down any time it wants. If I lived in an urban area…I’b be loading my pants over this.

      79. “heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.” (2 Peter 3:7)

      80. Wait a minute!

        For a couple of days, I believed this story.
        The fact thati it’s shocking and frightening, stopped me thinking.

        But now I ask:

        How do the scientists or astronomers, whatever they call themselves, how do they KNOW that the other side of the sun has these surges?

        Can theys ee this? Do they have sats over on that side?

        How can one believe them, when NASA, et al, is founded by the Feds? ALL of those Space projects are founded by the Fess, and because of this, they MUST do what the Feds want.

        You know, the same Feds that are doing everything possible to RAPE, We, THE People, in ALL ways.

        – tHe same Feds that have allowed the banksters their way. – The same Feds that continue the wars, using our tax money for wars, – that allow the cops to beat us, and kill us with impunity. – The same Feds that tax us to death. – The same Feds that have sent OUR jobs over seas.

        The Feds that are the 1% Elite.

        So, doews NASA have a speial glass and steel satellite on the other side of the Sun, to see the solar surges?

        Hell, they don’t even know what the Sun is?

        All they can do is lie and create fear and panic, to keep us mindless.

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