The Red List: Prepper Put on No Fly List, Escorted Off Plane Under Armed Guard

by | Oct 17, 2012 | Headline News | 189 comments

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    Up until recently the existence of a national “red list” of domestic dissidents and potential terrorists existed only within the realm of conspiracy theory and Hollywood story lines.

    But what if such a red list did exist?

    What if all of those tracking and monitoring mechanisms being put into place by the Department of Homeland Security, the National Security Administration and the Central Intelligence Agency are now being utilized to identify and take action against American citizens who may pose a perceived threat to the security and stability of the United States government?

    Yes, it sounds like something out of a science fiction novel, but you’d better believe that it’s happening, and it’s happening right here and now.

    When 34-year-old U.S. citizen and Mississippi resident Wade Hicks boarded a military flight to visit his wife, a Navy lieutenant stationed in Okinawa, Japan, he did not think it would be a one-way trip. Stopping off in Hawaii to refuel, upon reboarding the plane, Hicks was quickly escorted back off again by armed guards. He was then taken to a secure interrogation room where Hicks was informed he would not be flying anywhere because he turned up on the no-fly list.

    Hicks has since been stranded on the island state without a way home.

    After being asked to get off the plane, “It started out like something fairly routine,” Hicks said in his interview with Infowars. “About 15-20 minutes later, two heavily armed Air Force security forces guys showed up.”

    It was then Hicks was told he would not be flying anywhere. There is no indication as to why Hicks was able to first fly from San Francisco to Hawaii without being notified he was supposedly on the list.

    Seemingly the only “crime” Hicks has committed that would end in revocation of his ability to fly is his affiliation with the Mississippi Preparedness Project, a prepper organization. Although prepping is not illegal, the FBI has been cracking down on preppers for awhile now, with everything from spying on people who visit prepper websitesto straight up stripping preppers of their Second Amendment rights.

    Hicks revealed to Infowars that a supposed disabled veteran claiming to be a Navy Seal had joined his prepper group earlier in the year, but Hicks felt the man’s story seemed suspicious. Through a Freedom of Information Act request, Hicks learned the man had never been in the military even though he possessed an authentic military ID. Sometime later while out driving, Hicks saw the man’s car and ended up tailing him to a Mississippi Department of Homeland Security branch office where the man parked his car.

    When asked if he thought his affiliation with a prepper group caused him to get detained, Hicks responded, “If it does, that’s a pretty sad situation.”

    Via Infowars

    Watch the disturbing Infowars report and interview with Wade Hicks and Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network:

    Wade Hicks is a law abiding citizen; this has been confirmed by a background check performed by the Northeast Intelligence Network which was authorized by Hicks.

    His only “crime,” it seems, is that he is associated with the preparedness movement and that he has a preference for limited government.

    Last year Senator Rand Paul warned us about scenarios much like this one. To the apathetic and indifferent ears of the American public Paul said “that some day there could be a government in power that is shipping its citizens off for disagreements.”

    That day has come and Rand Paul’s prescient warnings are becoming a frightening reality.

    There are laws on the books now that characterize who might be a terrorist.

    Someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the Department of Justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist.

    If you are suspected by these activities do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention?

    Wade Hicks may not have been sent to Guantanamo, but he was detained against his will and restricted from travel by his own government – and for no reason at all. In fact, Hicks may never learn why he was added to the no-fly list because of national security secrecy laws made possible through the Patriot Act.

    He has been found guilty without ever having been charged, with no evidence having been presented, and without being tried in a court of law as is mandated by the Constitution of the United States – the supposed fundamental law of the land.

    The bottom line is that Wade Hicks is considered a potential terrorist and enemy of the United States.

    He’s on the red list.

    And there’s a strong possibility that if you store emergency food, or visit alternative web sites, or put a Gadsden bumper sticker on your car, or like to collect guns, or associate with certain groups on social networks, you are already on the red list, or soon will be.

    We once facetiously noted that the rate at which people are being added to government no-fly lists, no-work lists and the DHS master list, indicates the list itself will exceed the population of the entire country by 2019. Maybe that notion wasn’t so far off.

    This is America, and everyone is guilty until proven innocent.


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      1. True story I was flying to Vegas and when I went though security. I was checked from toe to head. When Iwas at the gate I was researched before boarding. The plane we got on broke. So we had to deplane (at the terminal) and get on another that worked. I was rechecked again. The was a list in the teams hand and mine and at least 3 other names were high lighted. Ad this was before TSA and all this crap.

        • good bye fagbookpage

          • Is it my fan club president.

            All of this is why I do not fly any more. I drive. Plus I was pushed out of to many aircraft that just landed 10 minutes later. No more legs can’t take it anymore.

            • Agent troll WD40 code named “Facebook”. Sorry but I can’t do lunch. “Mr. Big” is in town and “Operation Pumkin Smash” is in two weeks.

              What’s all of this about you not flying, you are just being modest. Agent WD40 (Facebook) is the highest ranking Ace in The Zionest Airforce.

              I’ll let you know how “things” are working out when I get back from Tel Aviv….Troll agent 10W30 over.

            • Actually, I agree with this. I only drive too. If I have to fly, then I don’t need to go. Besides, it’s much more scenic to drive.

            • @ FBP

              I call bullshit, dude!
              ex-Paratrooper or not…man up for once & tell the truth.
              You’re too old now to enjoy “cavity searches” courtesy of the latex gloved TSA perverts…right???

              I know those bastards are wannabe gropers, OB-GYN & proctology experts with a colo-rectal fetish. Hence,
              I don’t fly any more either. Odd how the govt types hire the weird ones, don’tcha think?

            • Anton You found me out. Sh don’t tell the other agents. They will want in on the bonus. And because of my many handle I get to go though again and again. Keep this to yourself.

            • Kinda hard to drive to Hawaii.

          • @ eeder

            Do the worms in your head keep you up at night?…just ask’n

          • “Our transition from more-or-less free country to police state is accelerating.” We see “the growing intrusiveness of the US surveillance state.”

            Each (new law, executive order, etc.) “has a role in the high-tech updating of a very old idea: that the state is paramount and the individual a slave to public order and national power.”

            “Give the government or the big banks the power to create money out of thin air and you eventually get a dictatorship. ‘Eventually’ just happens to be now.”

            “Now that we’ve created the infrastructure, all that remains is for some desperate/corrupt future leader to flip the switch.”


        • Wade Hicks like all preppers commit the ultimate crime to the government, he thinks and uses his brain. TSA is nothing but an extension of the poison of the government that goes against the citizens, like the tentacles and stingers of a deadly jelly fish. Wade Hicks ONLY is honest about the way he feels, yet if that is in anyway into being a blind and deaf conformist that the state wants 100% of the population to be, then this free thinker is labled a terrorist.

          The real key word here in thinking is FREE. The opposite meaqning of free is slave, and people that are good little philistine robots the government will allow them to fly and move around anywhere them, just like cattle on some meat wagon. For me and others on this site, we will take thinking for ourselves and continue to prepare because we know and we don’t have to be told by the government on how to live our lives nor how to behave or think. We all know what free thought is, FREEDOM.

          • This. A person not dependent on government can’t be trusted by the government.

            • A person not dependent on government can’t be controlled by the government.

          • “I am free no matter what rules surround me. If I find the rules tolerabale, I tolerate them. If I find them intolerable, I break them. Ultimately, I am free because I know that I am responsible for everything I do.” -DeLaPaz

          • This is strange considering that there is a FEMA site encouraging being prepared. If not then every Mormon and Amish will be on the no fly list which is a stupid waste. Just what do they expect that someone is going to do? They even removed an eighteen month old baby from a flight. Any rational human would see it was a baby and realize that the baby being on the list was a mistake. Not these sharp wits.

            • LOL! good one, “every Mormon and Amish on the list”! LOL!

        • One step closer to The Grey State. Oh, wait…that can’t be! I keep forgetting, the coming “election” promises a new freely chosen, ahem…”leader”. And the economy is infinately growing again! How could I be so jaded as to believe those awful conspiracy theories?

      2. guess i can’t go on vacation anymore. as long as i can still buy the items that i want is the only thing that concern me. if they put me on that list i just know to watch my back from now on. and to get ready for them to attack me.

        • might as well take vacation, you go thru any door where the feds rule and its their rules.

          i’d bet you can be pulled over for speeding and held indefinitely if you trip the right flag.

          • Strangely I never seem to be inconvenienced by these issue. It is easy to not have to deal with them. I have been able to. Except where I Go to a base where if they want to look in my trunk I don’t care. And at the VA it is mostly Weapons that are the only issue and I have never been harassed there. Just dont use what they have made unlikeable to you.

            One it relieves stress and if enough do it the lack of $$ will change the plans.

          • only if youre actually speeding lena. if you arent and youve- tripped a flag-, well, than im afraid that the piggys and there nwo zog dimwits are in violation of ther own laws. and therefore are open to a lawsuit.

            • you truly are an idiot

        • OGK, we have all been enemies of the United States since 1933. The only friends of the United States are the banksters who own it.

          It is long past time to start watching your back, and be prepared to protect against the cowards paid by the banksters to attack it.

        • Off Topic…

          From the Debate last night.

          Obama’s plans for more gun control in the next four years…

          Start listening to the tape at 1:15 to hear Obama’s answer to a question about ‘gun control’ that apparently he had stated as a goal at the 2008 Democratic convention.

          Obama said he “supports” and “wants an assault weapons ban”.

          “wants a comprehensive approach”

          “We’ve got more to do.”

          Complete Second Presidential Town Hall Debate 2012 Barack Obama vs. Mitt Romney – Oct 16 2012

      3. Not suprised.

        If youre leaving big fingerprints on prepping or being part of a tea party and you dont have the ability to defend yourself(legally and financially), you can be taken right out.

        I pay cash and space out as much of my prep purchases as possible, but i have no doubt when the SHTF; some official, somewhere knows i have stored food and they’ll come and get it if they need to.

        • They will come, but they will only get it if you let them.

          • GC I have a factor to add to your Fema Camp thought.

            Try taking a zero off each max population for each. Then assume only 30 years and below will be allow in. In a 1 Male to 12 female ratio. And only after a cleared medical screening. Any one older that has skills are whisked away to a hardened site. And instead of guarding to keep them in the fencea are to keep the rest out.

            How does that effect your equations.

            • People I am not making a joke here. Do the math and rethink a few things.

          • No one has to fly. There are other ways to travel. Fortunately our travels are behind us except for short day trips to the beach and other rec areas nearby. I hope the gov controlled airlines all go busted. Some corp. have their own jets. After these so called formerly bailed out gov loser airlines go bankrupt, the free market could then start up new airlines run by private business, not the gov. Never reveal your preps or buy them all in one store as Lena says. I don’t join any group/org as none are effective/produce results in last 60 some years, except to only collect money and sell useless crap. (been there done that).

            • sorry, i’m not giving up going to colorado or california when its still 90 degrees in texas in mid-october. if i’m marked and detained for preparing to keep myself safe when the money printing implodes the world over, then so be it.

            • I told my wife that Laura. She is from Ireland and wants to go to visit her homeland once in a while; she said I can’t wait for them to build the super bridge and drive. She also said I can sail if I want too, but it takes a few weeks in a 45 foot sail boat.

          • G C,

            You’re both right!

        • Lena remember there is not enough of them to do it over night. And if you think you are higher on the list you should not be posting here. So be ready but they will not kick in every door in one night if that even happens in the first place. And if it gets that bad. Gangs or government. If you prepare properly by the time they get to you they should be so weeded down and beaten up that a good wind will knock them over.

          • believe me, i’m as undetectable as possible; not even using my real name or regular email here. i have never been to a tea party rally and had not done one thing with th republican party since obama got in. i’ll be in ohio weekend before election to try and help beat obama, but i’m going as low profile as possible.

            • Unless you are using a computer that has never been hook up to your home router/ISP ad you are bootlegging from an unsecured terminal in suburbia where their is no surveillance cameras, to include your mobile phone you are detected. And all you post say and talk about is detectable. I wish all the everything is monitor and trace was just a conspiracy theory it is not. There just isn’t enough people to review it all. That is why all the machinery to do it is being built for “storage”.

            • fagbook page. thats fine. however, you are aware that you have no real authority to watch anyone. you have long ago opened yourself to a massive lawsuit. as well as the company you work for. you are a real dimwitted turd , arent you..

            • eeder nothing is watch that is not in public veiw. When there is no where to hide. Hide in plan sight. Put some tape on the camera on you computer and so many problems go away. Why do you think there has been an up surge in mobile phone bought without camera. Plus it suck to lose your phone if you go to a no camera location and forgot to leave it at the door. Every see a camera go though a grinder. Insurance doesn’t cover it.

              Peace FBP

        • They may come but what they get may not be what they expect.


          • Remember Netranger. Do it smart There first trip around may not be the best time to Make them pay. You have skills you will be needed on the other side. Ido not think you should be in the cannon-fodder.

      4. It’s only going to get worse as time goes on. Bus stops, trian stations, sports activities, you name it will all soon have big brother telling you yes or no.
        If they do not want Americans flying, then lets help put the airlines out of business by not flying. Oh yeah, all those thugs at the airport will not longer have a job! Airline fees are going through the roof, so how much longer can this country keep flying the not so friendly skies?? This country is going to “hell in a handbasket”!

        B Aware, B Awake, B Alive

      5. This is just the begining. This crackdown on all freedom-minded individuals is only going to get worse. Think preppers and Ron Paul suporters carted off by SWAT teams at 4:00 in the morning. Most don’t have the proper training or equiptment to fight them off so any who try get killed. You think I’m kidding? How effective have “terrorist” militias been at stopping police from walking all over them?

        Yup. I think we’re screwed.

        • Jasoncookies: Anyone who has seen swat teams in action on TV and movies, or even knows a swat person personally, knows how hi tech they are. As one man told me we can’t fight them off now days. But we must go down trying as it’s better to be dead than be a slave as others have quoted in the past. Don’t ever surrender alive. Soapdish: I agree and why the H do so many people kow tow to the gov airlines anyway? (Gestapo men at airports with machine guns, etc.) stuck on stupid obviously!

        • You are right. “… Just the beginning”. Right now, generally, we have LEO’s ignorantly following orders and The People are trying to exercise restraint. The element that your progression of events leaves out is history (think 1774).
          As in The Declaration of Independence, we too are now long tolerating offenses as a people. If (a BIG if) govt continues to grossly erode and aggress, then there is some line where the People as a whole acknowledge that they are no longer the “guards” of Our future security. I pray we don’t, but at that point, the lines get drawn. You must be brave and thoughtful about this. This is where all must choose to not enforce unconstitutional law. It is also when The Peoples prior restraint will be changed. Tolerance of tyranny is a constant, the level of tolerance is what changes.
          Sun Tzu said that when you are faced by a superior force-evade! And this END where your train of thought arrives may not occur. If it did, that would be unthinkable and indefensible…. A tyrannical plan befitting only of a wicked foreign invading army. If the good ol’ USA is being terrorized by some foreign invader, then REPEL AND EVADE. This has been our countries response since the beginning (Revolutionary War, War Between the States and Pearl Harbor battle, etc…).
          Think THE SECURITY OF OUR HOMELAND. Don’t think SHOOT BAD COPS. The former is noble and productive. The latter is precarious with the common man as the judge… And you will likely be taken off the battlefield before the Homeland needs Securing. Peace all!

          • Splitting Hairs there eh? Defend homeland vs bad cops. I see zero difference. Theres only Two sides and Two type people. Good vs Evil.

            Them who continue to Not make a choice, still have made one. All will eiher freely choose one side or the other…Or it will be choosen For them.

            Whos not for me Is against me. and ME=Good side

            • Thumbs up, w don’t disagree. But the difference between rape and consent is splitting a hair, legally. Same is true for manslaughter vs. justifiable homicide. The ability to split hairs will keep you and me out of prison till the balloon goes up. We got to keep our scalpels and our minds sharp. Broad sweeping war cries are for battle, but the mind of war ought not be neglected.

        • Wow. I read this after I got out of school and I sound hopeless. Have an Obama joke.

          “President Obama released his tax returns. It turns out he made $900,000 less in 2011 then he did in 2010. You know what that means? Even Obama is doing worse under President Obama.” –Jay Leno

        • If you try to fight them head on, you will lose. Look at how a few illiterate goatherders are doing. They can spend hundreds longer than the US government can spend billions.

      6. well if they keep it up pretty soon the airlines will need a bail out so that 10 people can fly on them

        stupid jackasses

        • Never happen aka airlines lose to many passengers etc.

          Face facts..Vast Majority of folks today, will do All they are told.

          If Prez did an exec order demanding Every ccw holder or gun owners Must wear Pants with clear saran wrap in Rear area to expose Ass cheeks to view?

          Or all airline pasengers if Males Must Expose Penis’s and Tie a nice fancy Pink Bow ribbon on it for all the world to see?,,,,Or cannot fly anywheres?

          What do you think will happen?…I say vast majority Will comply. Most will mumble “Well…They…Gotta Do…SOMETHING!!!!!”

          Thats how we got so many fucked up laws today. Our parents and grandparents never resisted.

          All I heard all my life when I Did complain of it all, was “Well, They gotta do Something!”….Then all acepted it. It was always Me who was so Goofy to complain!

          Too bad They wasnt so “goofy” as to complain and Flat out Refuse to comply Prior to it got this bad or far gone.

          Fed gov and hollywood simply kept repeating to our parents and grandparents..”You Are the Greatest generation!”(for destroying germany/germans wwii)

          And our parents et al Believed that stuf!…Then allowed fed gov to get away with whatever it desired.

          I Told my parents how I felt on that greatest gen crap. They wasnt too happy with it. truth is truth though even if its parents sometimes eh.

      7. It is more than obvious that “they” are afraid of us.

        The rules and unconstitutional government laws, especially those since 9/11/01, are designed to remove our freedoms and liberty.

        Don’t play the game. Unplug. Do not enter the fly-zone. Do not enter restricted government property. Do not trust freely or assume you’re among like-minded individuals.

        Continue thinking freely. Continue protecting yourself and those you love. Continue objecting to the illegal government. And above all, continue preparing yourself for more unconstitutional governmental assault.

        Time to consider “what if”. What if you were apprehended and did not commit a crime? Do you and your family have a plan?

          • Yeah well what IF, the millions of Vets who been Phys destroyed by stuf like agent orange(cancers) etc?

            And many more similar examples can be stated. It may turn out Crooked govnt and bad cops types is who need be concerned eh?

            Just what If, a few or more, even thousands of fed up vets with absolutly Zero to lose and with say 6 mo left to live decide “Hey time for some Rightous Indignation Karma” to happen?!

            Aint nobody will be rushing to become a wall st bankster type or Traitor politition types Then I bet!

            Picture Tens of thousands vet types(and non vet too perhaps) who wont care a damn weather or not they get Caught. As long as they complete the…”Mission” aka whack the evil traitors wherever they can be found.

      8. Okay, I’m all fired up on this one. Lena, you have the right to keep as much food and anything else you want in your home. NOBODY, NOT EVEN A GOVERNMENT THUG, HAS ANY RIGHT TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM YOU, NONE WHATSOEVER. IF ANYONE TRIES IT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP THEM ANY WAY YOU CONSIDER NECESSARY! Be Informed, I’m with you all the way. Nothing that government has done before or after 9/11 has any legitimate basis whatsoever. If I’m on someone’s list, then so be it! I ‘ve been prepping since Katrina, I live by a set of rules known as the Holy Bible and the Bill of Rights, I believe goernment regulations and taxation should be reduced by 75%, I believe the military should be brought home and stop interfering in other countries’ affairs, I believe law enforcement should stop its unjustifiable abuse of citizens, I believe this country has to return to its roots inorder to save it, etc. etc. etc. NOBODY TELLS ME WHAT I CAN OR CANNOT HAVE IN MY HOME, WHAT TO THINK, WHAT TO BELIEVE, WHERE I CAN OR CANNOT GO ON THE INTERNET, WHAT TO EAT, WHAT TO DRINK, ETC. ETC. ETC. There is no legitimate basis for any of the draconian legislation handed down before or after 9/11. There is no legitimate basis for government officials’ attitude toward the American people. Everything I see and hear going back to Vietnam tells me the government has never had and never will have good intentions toward the people they rule over. That’s the way it’s been all over the world since the Book of Genesis. Won’t be much longer til’ SHTF, I’m afraid. it’s going to be a different world afterwards. Best wishes and keep prepping. braveheart

        • Good post and as with others, I’m with you on your thoughts.

      9. I agree that this is wrong. However, it is still THEIR aircraft. This may be a price we preppers pay for being like we are. If I would not be allowed on a particular flight because of my beliefs, so be it. I either need to buy my own plane or drive.

        • Sorry tibrojo. That plane is owned by all of us. It is a military plane that is operated by the government. Financed by the American taxpayer. Shame on the Air Force security thugs that ousted him and will say that they are just following orders. These are the same guys who would never shoot American citizens? Slippery slope….

        • charter??? should be doing great business by now.

        • This is why it is foolish to join groups that are under the govt. eyeball. I suspect that someone in this group may have said something that was reported back to fearless leader by the supposed SEAL. Just remember even though you yourself may not say anything you get tagged with the suspicion when someone else says something even if the offense never happened. This is not right but that’s the way it is. Lifes not fair.

      10. I have not flown in years and do not miss. A few years ago we drove to Baltimore and boarded the cruise ship saving us both money and hassle.

        I’m not a joiner so if I am on a list I’m likely at the bottom of one that includes retail gun buyers, concealed carry permit holders, HAM radio operators, NRA members, etc.

        I’m less concerned about a government official showing up at my house than someone I know. As with everything they will start with cities over 50,000 as it is more time efficient. Refugees who know us may show up immediately and we need to be at the retreat when they do. Sometimes it’s hard to do all the construction myself, but the OPSEC is worth it.

        • Prepared Pastor

          If your on a list the more likely reason is for being here and places like it.

          • To be on a real list you do have to do a little bit more than be a poster. Because from the second you are born you are on some kid of list somewhere. Maybe not if you are from a village in the Congo. Hell all of the villages in that area are not even tracked yet even with to days teck.

          • Isn’t it more likely that bar down the street whose wifi I am using is on the list instead of me?

            • Nope Internet Protocol ID. They know who you are. Actually they know it’s your computer regardless.

        • The no fly list also applies to cruise ships.

          • Thumbs down, get hosed you moron. I stated a fact.

      11. “He was lucky.” — Ron Brown
        “He should be happy.” — Larry McDonald

        • “I wasn’t. ” – Walter Reuther
          “Me either.” – JFK Jr.

          And we thought we were safer in our own aircraft.

      12. Yea, been goin on lots longer than this. This one is just out in the open.

      13. I have been halfway expecting a middle-of-the-night abduction for years now, due to my prudence and tendency to be outspoken. I have many reasons to believe I’m on their list, some of which I have posted on here and I don’t think they were believed just because they’re so unbelievable.

      14. Jasoncookies, people will get taken ONLY if they let someone take them. Anyone who forces their way into my home in the middle of the night will be shot and I may not even ask questions after the fact. As far as lack of training, there are millions of veterans out there with the skills neede to tackle them and they can certainly teach others. Nobody is taking me alive, PERIOD! braveheart

        • @ braveheart

          Truer words have seldom been written here. I am with you.
          I will be expensive for them too.

        • I think it was a Soviet dissident (won’t attempt the name) who said “If each night they had to worry that a few of them might not go home, it would have given them pause”.

      15. Looks like Orwell was a mere 28 years off in calling this one.

        It has crossed my mind more often than not lately how the parallels between modern society and that of the totalitarian regime depicted in 1984 are coming closer and closer together, soon I fear to be one in the same.

        Big Brother? Check. Thought Police? CHECK. New-speak? Check. Complete welfare state subjugation? In progress.

        2+2 = ?

        • If you think that 1984 was prescient, you should try reading The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. What we’re experiencing in this country right now mirrors Rome from the end of the first century on. Except that in our case, time is being compressed by the speed of advancing accord among oppressive western governments. It’s a tough (it was written in the 1700’s by an Englishman, so the prose is not modern. have a dictionary handy) and very long (six volumes) read, but worth the effort, IMHO. Libraries in larger cities and towns should have the set.

          • I have just started this and am about 50 pages into the first volume. It is indeed scary how much resonates with our age. Keep in mind that, although the research was revolutionary for its time, from a scholarly perspective many of his arguments and conclusions are wrong or discredited….but for the broad sweep of history, it is really an incredible read. I am reading Millman’s version, which was edited in the early 1800s, but may get a more recent version with more extensive footnotes, to compare side by side, and so I have a version I can write in. Yes, I know I am an absolute freakshow geek. It’s just how I roll.

            • You say freakshow geek as though it’s a BAD thing!

            • A perhaps even Better book to read may be 200 yrs together, by: Alexander Solzensitsin(spelling?).

              Originally written in Russian, then translated to many euro languanges, but strangly never yet avail in English language!(gee I wonder Why!).

              A couple websites now has at least alot of chapters in english and avail for Free!…With more chapters being added untill soon completed.

              Try www hofflandia or Prof Kevin McDonalds web site(aint got link) easy to find link probobly.

              200 yrs together is all about Russias takeover by bolshevik kommies tribe and details how it came to be.

              Maybe its past due time to demand Kommie-Hunter orgs just like nazi hunter group orgs to begin Digging up Mass Gravesites where 100 Million dead innocents are certain to be located(all over eastern europe areas).

              Time to Expose the Real and Way Bigger evil and threats we soon will face Here. aka= Kommie Bolsheviks in usa.

              If They had to Run & Hide like various germans did after wwii…..Perhaps they wouldnt devote so much time trying to kill or destroy Us in america?!

              I got zero problems in a New Neurenberg trials for THEM aka= Kommie blosheviks zios and their Kin.

              Theres sure alot More to prosecute Them as compared to germans from wwII era. And the kommies operated untill 1989-90 era…So Many are still Alive!(for how long?)

            • Seems there’s a lot of Navy Vets here….so, I’m gonna go by AO1(AW) now.

          • @ NavyVet
            We had an elective course on the book at the Seminary I attended and yes everything you said is valid.

        • 2+2 = 22

        • 4

      16. When do we the people say enough is enough? Where is that line when some one says I am at the corner of such and such street and hereby declare I am not going to take it anymore and those of like mind should gather at such a place and time to join me?

        Or are we, what I suspect including maybe myself a bunch of bloviating bull shi**ers who have no more intent of doing some thing about it than fly to the moon. Dreamers of “well I told them but then never act”. Just let it go a little farther and then I will take action? I think that the government believes that people such as ourselves are all talk and no action. Just take miminal actions such as theyt did with this guy to inconveince him.

        As a prepper I have really only taken into consideration of how I am mine are going to survive with little thought of how to establish a new reality. If you think you will live forever in a vacum after the collapse you are crazy.

        One of the most important things I can see preppers such as myself ignore is what contingency have I made for a long term survival? Because sure as we write our opinions on this board there will be forces out there who have thought ahead and are coming for your resources to secure their long term survivability.

        • We are all on the list. If you are here, they know what you are and what you have….. Be careful and aware. Have you read the list of key words that big brother is looking for in your txt’s, web sites that you visit and emails?

          • Oh, bummer…I must report that my house was burglarized last night. They got away with all my food, camping supplies, security items…they even took my cat food! my bank account is empty and I have nothing to show for it—they even got my extra blankets.

            • You need a better sercurty system. You have the worst of luck.

        • BigB,

          Just stay alert, bide your time and continue to prepare. We still have about 3 weeks until the election. The American people are slow to anger, but when that line in crossed, look out. We are nearing that point, now.

          We read how Barry’s supporters are now threatening Romney’s life if he should win. We American’s watch, look and listen and measure everything.

          Let me ask you and others on here who are Liberty and Freedom loving Citizens these thoughts. If the polls indicated that Romney should run away with the election and win in a landslide, but in fact loses the election, would people consider the cause and stolen election is from the new contracted vote counting company from Spain as the culprit? This is a company that purchased the former vote counting company this past January and the owner happens to be a Socialist, as Barry is (Check it Out).

          Or, could there be a False Flag planned before the election so that Martial Law can be declared which would suspend the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Congress, Judiciary and of course, the upcoming Election?

          With the Narcissist-In-Chief in the Whitehouse and a Marxist Socialist to boot, we could very well have ourselves a real problem. Because of Barry’s ideology, it is not likely that he intends to play fair. He was prepped and chosen for the Presidency and his mission is not yet complete.

          Alternative Media, such as this one will give notice when that time should come. Read the articles and comments section.

      17. So much for “Quality Control” at the Mississippi Airport,
        he orginally flew out of.

      18. It is ironic that when government wages war on its own citizens, like in this case, they encourage revolution.

        My view is that revolution has already started, but it is still in the peaceful stage. More and more people are questioning the current relationship between government and citizens, but they still see the slim possibility that freedom will be restored through the political process; when it becomes sufficiently evident that this will fail, the only avenue left will be violence. Government repression only gets us to the revolution point quicker.

        It took about a 15 years crisis period for the American Revolution to reach the point of violence, and it looks to me like the current crisis period began about in 2007 -2008 with the financial breakdown. I am thinking after the 2020 elections that the divide between government and citizen will be beyond repair. All it will take is some trigger event, just like the trigger event for the American Revolution was confrontation by Minutemen at Lexington Green with the British Army which was marching to Concord, MA to confiscate arms and ammunition stored there by the Massachusetts Militia.

        • With today’s commo, cut that time at least in half or less. Thats what I think.

      19. Obama made the statement that he agreed that corporate tax rates were too high in last nights debate. The rate was around 80%+ in the 1950’s when American’s were doing well. The debate was a rehash of the first one. They should let these liars answer actual questions from real people, instead of pre approved questions from pre approved questioners. What a farce.

      20. Janet needs a Dirty Sanchez. Volunteers wanted.

        • BRING A FLAG!

        • NOT touching that.

      21. Why can I not respond to anything on this blog? Replies are always buffered but not posted and no up or down thumbs. What is the deal?

        • Uh Oh. Don’t fly anytime soon……

      22. Groups can always be infiltrated. Individuals cannot. Only trust people you have known for a long time and be wary of anyone new to a group.

      23. American masses are the frog on the warm water they will not react and when the water boils we would have soup

      24. WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of violent crimes rose by 18 percent in the United States last year while property crimes went up by 11 percent, the government reported Wednesday.

        The increase in violent crime was the result of an upward swing in assaults, which rose 22 percent, from 4 million in 2010 to 5 million last year. But the incidence of rape, sexual assault and robbery remained largely unchanged, as did serious violent crime involving weapons or injury

        In the latest survey, property crime was up for the first time in a decade, from 15.4 million in 2010 to 17 million last year. Household burglaries rose 14 percent, from 3.2 million to 3.6 million. The number of thefts jumped by 10 percent, from 11.6 million to 12.8 million.

        • And you have to ask yourself: How much crime went unreported? If you don’t have insurance why bother to call in a report. Hell, here in Cailfornia they don’t send out a cop when your car is stolen. They just give you a case number to give to your insurance company.

      25. Braveheart I am With you! I Have already made up my mind, to resist any unlawful arrest, or detainment, If they send the SWAT team to serve a No Knock Warrant, I will start the Fight Right There! I know I will Die, and I don”t Care, I’ll take as many of the Bastards I can With Me! Less Thugs somebody else will need to Deal With! You can”t live forever…I would rather Die on my feet than Live on My Knees!

        Semper Fi

        • Not much on tactics and op sec are you?

      26. Ain’t no damn Mitt Romney gonna fix any of this shit either. That cock said in a debate he is FOR the NDAA indefinite detention. Old boss = new boss. Libertarian is the only way to go folks. Start thinking about 2016 right now.

      27. I think a repost is in order:

        Once a government resorts to terror against its own population to get what it wants, it must keep using terror against its own population to get what it wants. A government that terrorizes its own people can never stop. If such a government ever lets the fear subside and rational thought return to the populace, that government is finished.” – Michael Rivero

        As long as we just give lip service to these kink of things, they will continue and get worst. We must draw a line and get physical that is something that they will understand, and maybe get a little MSM coverage MAYBE. THE POLICE STATE IS HERE NOW!! Thats just me

        • You first. Show us how it’s done. People with families are not likely to respond with any violence as they have too much to lose. They know it and act accordingly. That’s just the way it is.

          • Once your family is secure what will you do.

          • JW: I will and yes I have alot to lose also. Our Founding Father’s had families did they not, they had just the same to lose. Freedom is never FREE it cost something and that cost could be very high. For those not willing to stand up for FREEDOM you deserve everything that comes your way. You see some out here will do what is called for to keep your family FREE and SAFE.

      28. Welcome to the USSA, comrades! If the DHS had to scrub all refs to “islam” or “jihad,” who do you suppose all the boys and girls in the federal fusion centers are going to keep busy turning into “enemies of the state?”

        Good guess!

        • well, at least they got the target closer to right…

        • It’s a shame it was a “sting” operation. If it would have succeeded it would have been the biggest boost for our economy since 1913. From here on out, if you yell “End the Fed” they will detain you as a terrorist. Hang some bankers.



        It is the only way at the Moment to stop this PRIVATELY CONTROLLED ZOG FEDGOV TERRORIST FRAUD Bullsheeit until Tax Debt Enslaved AmeriKans final grow themselves a pair of Coyones and Fight Back with Murderous Intent in their Eyes Against the ZOG NWO UN GLOBALIST BANKERS GLOBAL DEBT SLAVERY !!!






          * In the United States, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act is a federal law that was enacted to give extended penalties in the prosecution of organized criminal acts. The RICO Act is codified as Chapter 96 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, which deals with federal crimes and criminal procedure. Although it was intended to be used against the Mafia and others engaged in organized crime, the RICO Act has been used to prosecute all sorts of criminal activity.


          • What Is the RICO Act?


            The RICO Act was created as part of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970. As a product of two sets of Congressional hearings that took place in the late 1950s and early 1960s, the act’s main focus was on measures that would be prohibitive to gambling organizations. Sponsored by Senator John Little McClellan and drafted by G. Robert Blakey, the Rico Act was signed into law by President Richard Nixon on 15 October 1970.
            Crimes and Punishments

            Under the RICO Act, a person can be charged with racketeering — which includes bribery, extortion, illegal drug sales, loan sharking, murder and prostitution — if he or she has committed two of the 27 federal and eight state crimes under U.S. legislation within a 10-year period. The law gives the government the power to criminally prosecute and imprison an organized crime leader even if he or she has never personally committed any of the components of racketeering. This is because he or she is part of a criminal enterprise.


          • Just a 3 sniff are you feeling under the weather today Mr.T.

            • @FBP … Piss Off DimTard !!!

            • NO

            • fagbook page, make like a tree and get the fu(k out of here . this lawsuit nina speaks of can (will) include you and your gang.and ninas right. this is the one legal tool that we can use. its actually the ptb tool they created thinking none of us could or would use it against them in great numbers. i say we flood govt and banking institutions with lawsuits. they can then make their next move.

            • Are you afraid to spell the world fuck or something. Like a tree, come on you can do better than that.

      30. What is this country coming to? Prepping illegal? Where is the law?

        • actually it is quite clear. there simply is NO law forbidding prepping. therefore , when these thugs (the govt) break the law , we must hold them libel. there is NO law for most of what they are doing. its just when no one calls them on it, well they do as they please. lets see these twits do battle with the legion of lawyers out there. lawyers that arent bought off, generally have no problem bringing any action forward. i think we all need to give the lawyers some more work. i know i am right now! 😉

      31. Another federally funded and supplied bullshit game


        NEW YORK (AP) — Federal authorities have arrested a man they say was plotting to blow up the Federal Reserve building in New York City, just blocks from the World Trade Center site.

        Authorities say 21-year-old Quazi Nafis was arrested Wednesday morning after a sting operation that involved the FBI and New York Police Department. The suspect parked a van filled with what he believed were explosives outside the building and tried to detonate it.

        But his associates were actually undercover officers who arrested him at the scene — and the bomb was not real.

        Federal prosecutors say the man was monitored closely by the FBI in New York and members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the public was never in danger.

        • Oh c’mon, the FBI just pulled this same setup in Portland Oregon—same EXACT thing! I call bullshit!

      32. Homestead or Retreat?

        To head for the retreat or just homestead, what are we gonna do? Most Survival regulars know their orientation on this subject. I’d like to give a little input on the two places to go if you have to live in interesting times. (An old Chinese curse).

        The retreat is a haven or lifeboat where you and those you hold dear can weather out some turmoil which made remaining at your , “home” untenable. It’s the hole in the briar patch where you go until the ill wind blows itself out.

        The homestead is where people like myself have staked out where they live, saying to the world, “This is it. I’m not going any further.”

        These places can be urban, suburban, rural or remote dependent on your needs and those of your family.

        Lots of folks make their living in concrete jungles and because of proximity to the barbarian hordes, need a retreat. Others, like myself, after falling out of the jungle and having the good fortune of landing where I don’t worry about hordes, can live in our retreat all the time, transforming it into a homestead.

        What’s a Homestead?

        A homestead is a property that is continuously occupied and has all the comforts of home because that’s what it is. Depending on the awareness or paranoia of the occupants, the homestead might be totally off the grid as far as utility systems go, or the owner operator may have the amenities by being tied to the “system”. Either way, it is a hybrid place which is more in depth and sophisticated than the average home. They have enhanced food and water storage capability. Alternative power systems are in place to work around the loss of the normally used ones. Food production to whatever level the owner feels comfortable with is done there. Homesteads are defensible.

        What’s a retreat?

        My definition, the one that counts, is a retreat is a haven or lifeboat where you and those you hold dear can weather out some turmoil which made remaining at your “home” untenable. It’s the hole in the briar patch where you go until the ill wind blows itself out.

        But as far as nuts and bolts, what exactly is it? I feel a retreat is a property which has structures that can and do hold all your needs which you can’t bring in during the “retreating” in your vehicle or on your back. Many people who have a run kit and a well defined place or area they plan to run to usually call their retreat the cabin, lodge, summer place, fishing camp, hunting lodge.

        …. But they all have several things in common. They are shelter. They have provisions. They are usually off the beaten path. They probably have alternate heating and lighting systems. Their water and sewage systems, as a rule, are not tied into any municipality . Usually a retreat is not occupied at all times and as such has rougher accommodations than a homestead. Retreats are defensible.

        Why might you need one over the other?

        Most of the metropolitan survivalists I know just gotta have a retreat to run to when the black flag flies. I think its probably due to being packed like rats in the Metro. I’ve got a friend in L. A. who says when you’re packed like rats you act like rats. However true that is, retreats are needed by individuals, families, and groups if and only if IMHO they would not be better served by staying in place. A case in point would be those who by choice or chance live in coastal areas. They, due to climatic and environmental conditions beyond their control, are forced at odd occasions to flee with what they can carry in their vehicles if they are lucky. If not, they get by with the clothes on their backs. If they are lucky. In times of real upheaval they may need a retreat to go to early in the disaster and avoid the thrill of wild eyed hordes clawing their way down the interstate. Other persons live in areas where, should the normal fabric of life be torn, there is no societal glue to keep their homes safe, either due to bad things coming out of containers which no longer hold them or bad people doing the same. A case in point would be those persons living in the chemical manufacturing belt around the Houston area. Lots of very notsogood things are being manufactured there. Or those poor souls who live in the Los Angeles basin. Lots of people with a low respect of the rule of law in LA LA land. These may not be totally accurate, but they fit the model of what situations I would think I needed to run from.

        Homesteading is for those who are better off staying put. The usual model most people think of is the back to the land tree hugger types who live in log cabins or adobe houses out in the middle of nowhere . In reality homesteading survivalists live in fairly secure areas. There are those who live in Metros, but due to geography or demographics or both have the best of both worlds. They are secure in their persons and property, but didn’t have to go 40 miles down a gravel road to get there. An example would be those persons who live in the Red River Valley of north Texas. They are, for the most part, tied into city water and power and some of them sewer, yet they are within spitting distance of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. They know their neighbors and the neighborhood. Many sit on 5 to 20 acres and would be easily sustainable in times of flux. Survivalists such as these live on gold mines and don’t even know it. They seem to want to RUN. Other homesteaders live in small towns and just fit into the community they live in. They are well networked and don’t “act” like survivalists. But their homestead is never the less a homestead.

        So, distilled, here’s the deal. If you know in your heart of hearts you and yours will not be viable at home in a moderate to long term disaster scenario, then you’re probably a retreater. If, on the other hand, you know, “I got no place else to go” and I’m better off staying here cause I’ll live longer. Then guess what, you’re probably a homesteader.

        Lastly, don’t be so stuck in your paradigm. You are blinded to the need to have flexibility. You might find the retreat you had planned to occupy for a month ended up being your permanent domicile after the other one was razed by looters. Or, your homestead was overrun and those retreaters you laughed about became you as you headed to the barn and well house which sat upon the investment acreage you bought with the microsnot money you pulled out of the market prior to the depression of ’06. Just follow the 6 “P’s” and you’ll never go wrong.

        The 6”P’s”…
        Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

        • You have been flowing with wisdom lately keep it up.

      33. How do you Cook Grains?

        I have always wondered about cooking grains. After all, I have many hundreds of pounds stored away and yet I have no clear idea how to cook these grains. Yes I have all kinds of cook books and storage program material but most of these make the presumption that I have always known how to cook grains. So I decided to do some research and put together a handy little table showing cooking amounts, time etc.

        I hope the table is as helpful for your storage program as it was for mine.

        Grain Amount Uncooked Amount of liquid Cooking Time Yield
        Amaranth 1 cup 3 cups 25-30 min. 2 1/2 cups
        Barley 1 cup 4 cups 30-40 min. 4 cups
        Buckwheat 1 cup 2 -5 cups 20 min. 3 cups
        Bulgur 1 cup 2 cups 15 min 2 1/2 cups
        Cornmeal 1 cup 4 – 5 cups 30-40 min 4 -5 cups
        Kamut 1 cup 3 -4 cups 1 hour 2 1/2 cups
        Millet 1 cup 4 cups 25-30 min 4 cups
        Oats 1 cup 3 cups 30-40 min 3 1/2 cups
        Oatmeal 1 cup 2 cups 10 min 4 cups
        Rice (Brown) 1 cup 2 – 2 1/2 cups 35-40 min 2 1/2 cups
        Rye 1 cup 4 cups 1 hour 2 2/3 cups
        Triticale 1 cup 4 cups 1 hour 2 1/2 cups
        Wheat Berries 1 cup 3 – 4 cups 1 hour 2 1/2 cups
        Wheat Cracked 1 cup 2 cups 25 min. 2 1/3 cups
        Wild Rice 1 cup 4 cups 40 min 3 – 3 1/2 cups

        First of all, you should rinse all raw grain in cold water and drain. Using the formula shown in the table bring the liquid to a boil.

        Add grain and stir. Bring liquid back to boil, then cover and reduce heat to lowest setting possible. Cook until soft. (See table for estimated times.) Cooking times are approximate, some people like their cooked grains a little more firmer than others. Liquid may be water, but if you use meat or vegetable stock, juice or milk; you will improve the flavor tremendously. The more flavorful the liquid, the more flavorful the grain. The more flavorful the grain the more likely that your children and elderly will find it tasty and filling. Remember that storage food does not have to be a dull experience. You may even find that it becomes a popular item at your dinner table. Lastly, folks are confused at times about pilaf grains. Pilaf is just another method of preparing the grain. Pilaf adds some unique flavor varieties and potential for a limited storage program. To Pilaf a grain all you do is; sauté the grain with minced onion in oil and then add twice as much liquid as grain; cover and cook over medium-low heat until the liquid is completely absorbed, by this time the grain will be very tender. Cooking time is as listed in the table. Brown rice, bulgur, barley, millet and wild rice are grains that are great pilafed, however you can pilaf any grain you want.

      34. HELLPPP! I canned hamburger last nite & then realized this morning that I only did it for 60 minutes, not 90! what can I do, if anything, at this point?? I’m sick over this…is there anyway to make “lemonade out of lemons” here??

        • If it is still sealed in your jars just re-can it in your pressure cooker for 90 minutes. If not sealed, go buy a bunch of hamburger helper and have a feast.Seriously, I think if you re-canned any unsealed jars with new flats it would still be fine.

        • If you use it all in the next couple of months you should be fine. Keep it refrigerated if you want to be extra safe.

        • JRS is right, you can re-can things. Just do it for the entire 90 minutes and it should be fine. 🙂

      35. First time poster. Was just wondering if anyone else connected these dots..

        Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2 speech (yet another one where naming Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was required) in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying,

        “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”


        • GoingGoingGone, Obama has made suggestions of this civilian force before. Early in his Presidency he began babbling about this. I think he got diverted with all of his Muslim outreach, his connections with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Middle East, and the Sharia Law he’s using our taxdollars on while helping to bring it all to the ‘global justice’ network.

        • @ goinggoinggone -Look to your left, under Daily Sheeple – story about FEMA earthquake drill. Will give you info on obama-corps.

      36. How do you Cook Legumes?

        Ever wondered about cooking legume.

        I hope the table is as helpful.

        Legume Traditional Soak Method
        Cooking time Legume Traditional Soak Method
        Cooking time
        Adzuki Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Kidney Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Anasazi Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Lentils 1 hour
        Appaloosa Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Lima Beans, Baby 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Black Turtle Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Lima Beans, Large 1 hour
        Black-eyed Peas 1 1/2 – 2 hours Navy Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Cannellini Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Peas 1- 1 1/2 hours
        Cow Peas 1 1/2 – 2 hours Split Peas 45 min – 1 hour
        Cranberry Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Pink Flamingo Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Fava Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Pinto Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Flageolet Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Small Red Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours
        Garbanzo Beans 3 -4 hours Soy Beans 2 – 3 hours
        Great Northern Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours Swedish Brown Beans 1 1/2 – 2 hours

        Soybeans tend to foam up and overflow pot. Do not cover soybeans tightly and add 1-2 T vinegar or oil to water when cooking them.
        First of all, you should always rinse legumes in cold water and drain.

        Traditionally, legumes are soaked overnight and then cooked.

        However, you can bring the water to a boil, drop legumes into pot slowly so boiling does not stop. When legumes are in pot, lower heat, cover and simmer till they are soft. This method usually saves 1/2 to 1 hour cooking time. Legumes in an unsealed pot need to be stirred occasionally and more water may need to be added to the pot part way through the cooking. Do not add salt until nearly done, as it may retard softening process. Cooking times are approximate, some people like their cooked beans a little more firmer than others.

      37. Anton Hackl and Cameraman, I appreciate both of you. Laura, you’re right about not flying; if i can’t drive to get to someplace, then I don’t go. Sid Davis, the divide between the govt. and the people is here now; all it needs is a strike of the match. NavyVet, I read Roman Empire right after Y2K and it was the toughest read of my life but well worth it; took til’ March 2000 to finish it. I picked up a copy of “One Second After” by William Forstchen the other day. Only made it into Chapter 3 so far, but it is hard to put down. braveheart

        • Very good book.

      38. Trail and Camp Recipes

        These are tried and true Recipes I have used for years. The very last one is my personal favorite for soothing that sweet tooth.


        Gorp is a high energy, high calorie mixture that can be put into individual bags. It is handy in this fashion to eat as you walk along.

        Use equal amounts of any five or more of the following ingredients:

        Nuts– peanuts, cashews, walnuts or pecans.

        Dried fruits –apricots, currants, raisins, apples, figs, dates plums, or pineapple. (Chop into bite size pieces)

        Seeds– unsalted sunflower, pumpkin or sesame.

        Grains or Cereals– rolled oats, puffed rice or wheat.

        Sweeteners– M&M candies, carob, chocolate, or butterscotch morsels. Shredded coconut is also good.

        I have found that some folks like to let the chocolate melt through the mix and bind it together. An easy to do this is to place the packets is an outside pocket of your backpack and let the sun do the work for you.

        The following is one of my favorite blends:

        1 cup mixed M&M candies (plain and peanut) 1 cup pecans (chopped)

        1 cup currants

        1 cup chopped dries apples

        1 cup unsalted sunflower seeds

        1/2 cup rolled oats

        1/2 cup shredded coconut

        Mix together in a large bowl and put into single serving plastic bags. Use either 1/2 or 1 cup per bag depending on the appetite.

        Wet Trail Mix

        ½ lb. unsalted sunflower seeds

        ½ lb. chopped almonds

        ½ lb. sesame seeds

        ½ lb. shredded coconut

        1 lb. raisins

        1 lb. chopped mixed dry fruit

        ½ lb. wheat germ

        ½ lb. soy lecithin

        ½ lb. rolled oats

        1 lb. wheat flakes

        1 lb. corn flakes

        1½ tsp. salt

        1 tsp. ground nutmeg

        1/4 tsp. ground cloves

        3 tsp. ground cinnamon

        Put all the ingredients into a large container and mix well. place 4 oz. servings into plastic bags. Add 2 tbl. of powdered milk to each bag. To eat just add water and enjoy.

        Power Balls

        1/4 cup sunflower seeds *

        1/2 cup shredded coconut

        1/2 cup untoasted wheat germ

        6 Tbl. ground sesame meal

        1/4 cup chocolate or carob powder 1/3 cup honey

        1/3 cup creamy peanut butter

        Mix all dry ingredients except the coconut and sunflower seeds in a large bowl. Melt the peanut – butter and honey in a saucepan. Stir in sunflower seeds. Quickly remove from heat and mix into dry ingredients, adding the coconut last. roll into balls. Individually wrap when completely cool.

        * Any finely chopped nut can be substituted.

        Basic Granola

        4 1/2 cups rolled oats

        1/2 cup wheat germ

        1 tsp. salt

        2 cups unsalted sunflower seeds

        1/2 cup shredded coconut

        1 1/2 cups chopped almonds *

        1 cup raisins *

        1/4 cup sunflower oil

        3/4 cup raw honey

        1/2 cup warm water

        Preheat oven to 275 degrees. In a large bowl, combine all dry ingredients, adding the raisins and the coconut last. Stir in the honey, oil and water. Mix well and spread onto cookie sheets. stir the mix often until it is golden brown. remove from oven and stir until cooled. Granola stores best in sealed containers.

        * Any favorite fruit or nut can be substituted.

        Basic Cornpone


        2 TBL. SUGAR

        1/2 TSP SALT

        Mix dry ingredients together well. Store in a heavy duty. zip lock bag. When you are ready to cook, add 1 cup of boiling water to the bag and mix well. Next grease a skillet with bacon grease or oil and preheat. Now form your mix into 3/4 inch thick cakes. Fry them over medium heat turning them when the bottom is a rich brown.


        1 cup all purpose flour

        1/2 tsp. salt

        1 tsp. baking powder

        2 tbl. powdered milk

        Mix and store in plastic bags. To cook» add a small amount of cold water and mix into dough. Preheat a well greased skillet while you are mixing. Without kneading the mix too much» form into an inch thick cake and place it in the skillet. Turn when bottom is brown. Allow your bannock to finish cooking with the pan tilted so that the top receives heat as well as the bottom. Stick with a small stick or toothpick to see if its done. For a treat sprinkle with brown sugar and cinnamon.

        Note: the dry mix will store for long periods of time in a well sealed bag.

        Camper’s Hamburger Skillet Special

        1 lb. lean ground beef

        1 can cream of mushroom soup

        1 medium onion (chopped)

        1 can mixed vegetables

        1 cup small elbow macaroni

        salt. pepper and garlic powder

        Place macaroni into 3 cups of boiling water with a dash of salt and boil until tender. While the elbows are cooking. brown the ground beef in a large skillet with the chopped onion. Add spices to taste. When browned. add soup and vegetables. Drain the macaroni and add to the skillet. Simmer for 15 to 20 minutes. For added flavor add grated cheese and a pinch of sweet basil. Serves four to six people depending on the size of their appetites.

        Roasted Corn on the Cob

        Take pre-cleaned corn ears and brush with butter. Wrap Tightly with foil and roast on coals for 15-20 minutes, turning now and then. Remove and salt and pepper to taste. Serving size: One ear per person.

        Another method is to roast the corn in the husk. To do this pull the husk back enough to clean the corn. Do not tear it free though. After cleaning pull the husk back up and soak the whole ear in water for 15 minutes. Place ears on a hot rock near the coals not directly on the coals. Cook for 15 – 20 minutes. Remove add butter, salt and pepper to taste.

        Coal Baked Potatoes (plain or sweet)

        Scrub outside well and then pierce with a fork several times. Wrap in foil and place in coals. Bake for 35-45 minutes depending on size. Test by sticking with a fork or by squeezing with a gloved hand.

        Baked Apples

        Wash and core one large apple for each serving desired. Then place each on a large square of aluminum foil. Into the hole of each apple sprinkle 2 tsps. of brown sugar and a little cinnamon. Then add a pat of butter. Wrap each apple securely by bringing the foil up the sides and twisting at the top. Place into a good bed of coals and bake for 40 minutes. Test with a fork for tenderness.

        Dream Bananas

        This is one of my personal favorites.

        Split a whole unpeeled banana down the middle length wise. Try not to cut through the peel on the bottom side. Fill the cut with Kraft caramels and chips of butter. Wrap in foil and bake in a hot bed of coals for about 5-10 minutes or until the filling has melted. Eat with a spoon right from the peel.

      39. Sign of the times…just spinning up the machine. Gonna be a whole lotta more lists so get used to the concept.

      40. Let this be a lesson to everyone. Got food ammo and medical supplies stored away for when the SHTF? Keep QUIET. Even posting what you have stored away on here is risky. Heck, the feds could probably arrest us all tomorrow just for commenting on here. :O

      41. Copperhead, if you keep this up, we are going to start calling you “Betty Crocker”.

        Had a weird conversation yesterday. We know a guy who helps us get our farm ready for the winter each fall. He’s a white lib union member who has a full time job in a machine shop.

        Anyway we got talking about Obama and he says, “If Romney steals the election from Obama there is going to be a Civil War, and there should be!” He went on, “People are fed up with the GOP stealing from them”.

        He then went on to tell me that all of his Union/Drinking buddies felt pretty much the same.

        He was serious and with the amount of guns/hunters in our state, things could get messy.

        • Rev. Ike

          Don’t sweat the Union guys. They lost jobs for three decades and still can’t figure out that that their buddy Bill Clinton screwed them royally with NAFTA and China Free Trade. It’s bravado BS over shots of Jack Daniels and beer at the local bar. They’re not criminals to begin with so extreme violence is not in their nature. They’re working people with something to loose with a wife and kids. Most have never been in any more trouble than a possible DWI.

          The brothers are a different story, being arrested is in many cases just a right of passage. They’re quite liable to take a Romney victory Obama loss very personal.

          Remove the Romney bumper sticker if he wins.

          • Out of your yards too.

          • Kevin2: I think you miss the point. It aint that white liberal union guys will start anything.

            It is that white liberals in General, and especially unionists, are likely to actually Side With them “Brothers”.

            Many whites will Gladly join forces with africans or mexican illeagles etc to wipe out their Own white kind.

            They will do this to Prove to blacks, and their white-dem group-Think imbecills, that they themselves are NOT racists.

            Them type whites just may become a worse threat to patroit whites, than any other “colors” groups.

            Much more difficult to detect at times also perhaps.

            Most everyone I grew up around was/is white dem lib union types. Believe you me, you will Never convince Any of em to change minds. Nor to admit They are and always were wrong on most everything they spew or tout.

            I believe without any doubts, “If” any race type conflict arises, even if begun by NON-whites, the dem lib union whiteys Will be happy at the chance to finally Prove Non-racistness to what They percieve to be the Exact Same except skin color “others”.

            Only After dem lib whites get Turned on, by violent colored folks, will they finally see it was a huge mistake of wrong placed trust and beliefs.

            The rest of whiteys(us) will be Long gone and unavailable to assist them libs. Too bad…Its the way it is though, and we never will change it.

            Personally I quit trying aprox. 15+ yrs ago when I moved up north and away from detroit-libs-dems-stupid whiteys, and of course ever present violent african masses.

            In all honesty, I probobly Dispise such whites more than the violent blacks and browns. Cant admit when wrong is totally Despicable in my eyes. Thats main cause or reason lib dem whites are this way..Pure Stuborness.

            They will pay for it when shtf too I rekon. When their black pals turn on them like pak of wolves or pit bulls.

            Any good type blacks etc will already be with us, or on the way to be. All whats left will be Loyal to Black/same kind Only, regardless What dem liberal whites think or do.

            I can see them now “Whiteys libs reach out as in, we are the world songs….While rabidly violent blacks attacks from all sides”..

            A small Few lib dem whiteys somehow makes it to Our areas. Barely alive…..Still refuseing to admit “We was right all along”!!…Some stuf never changes I guess.

            • I worked my adult life around the various “locals” that did work in an oil refinery.

              The Union guys I know weren’t real fond of “The Brothers” having done work in various cities and being exposed to an underclass. Regarding siding with them in event of a riot? Hell they will be targets themselves. You think for a second some mob will say, ” Let da MF pass, he be union”?

              Regardless just get rid of the Romney bumper sticker in event of his victory.

      42. Mung Beans

        keeping a ton of those little guys in storage. quick emergency food source. they sprout in a few days and can be eaten raw or blanched. the beans themselves make for great stick to your ribs soup. another great benefit is that throw a handful of the beans when you are rotating crops. they’ll add much needed nitrogen to the soil.

      43. There goes the Constitution, look for the same under the current administration. Big brother, will take care of us,maybe someday soon, providing us patriots with free room and board at their nice reeducation camps, I can’t wait. Free retirement and reeducation. God help us all.

      44. Mac: Ky mom provided a link to an article at (

        At the end of the article was a post from “stanley”. Here is part of his post:

        “This is a VERY GOOD ARTICLE, except it left out ONE VERY IMPORTANT FACT. It has to happen now because, the powers that created the Central Bank in 1913, also created the IRS and Income tax the same year to pay the interest on this credit and money printing. Moreover, the lease on the Federal Reserve act WAS ONLY FOR 99 YEARS. Do the math, 1913 and 2012. It’s been 99 years so the Federal Reserve Act expires this year 2012. So ALL THE DEBT (Gov’t social programs, Defense, wars, Foreclosure meltdown and fiasco. is all deliberate. This is EXACTLY why Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke DON’T want Glass Steagle Act, they don’t want any regulation so they can manipulate and allow the ponzi scheme and reckless gambling with tax payer bailout. So they can continue to create such losses as to say U.S. is Bankrupt)…..”

        This is the first I have heard that the Federal Reserve Act expires this year. Care to expand on it? What can be expected?

        • F…I have heard this before also. I have searched and searched for anything official in print and connot find a thing. I would be interested if anyone did.

          • JRS, you want the US Code (for banking). It’s contained in USC 12.

            The US Code – Title 12: Banks and Banking is online. Link to follow.

            • Checked a few places and it seems that the info on the expiration date is wrong. There is no expiration date.

        • @ F

          An awesome post, dude.

      45. The Basics of Stocking a Retreat For One Year

        Remember the movie Red Dawn? Think about when Colonel Tanner said: “You think you’re tough for eating beans every day? The scarecrows in Denver would give anything for a taste of what you got. They’ve been under siege for about three months. They live on rats and on sawdust and sometimes… on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It’s medieval.” Do you have a plan set up to keep you and your family from become scare crows? I mean a realistic plan that you are working on every payday?

        A good friend once told me. My place is going to have one foot thick concrete walls, solar, wind, and a positive air system to filter out all nuclear, biological, chemical attacks. Solid steel doors and steel shutters. That is all fine and good but do you have the $100,000 to build it? Ah no? It is far better to have a 12×12 hunting camp with a hand pump well, kerosene lights, a wood stove, and a propane cookstove than a dream retreat that never got built. Start with the basic stuff first the Five Bs: Building, bullets, beans, bacon, and buckshot.

        What is a year supply of food for 1 person?

        13-6 Gal Super Pail Buckets

        3- Hard Red Wheat
        1-Pinto Beans
        2-Hard White Wheat
        3-White Rice
        1-Small White Beans
        1-Black Beans
        1-Instant Milk
        1-Quick Rolled Oats

        6-#10 Cans
        1 can Shortening Powder
        1 can Baking Soda
        1 can Baking Powder
        1 can Iodized Salt
        2 cans Sugar

        #2.5 Cans and Misc.
        1 can Beef Bouillon
        1 can Chicken Bouillon
        3 Pkg Yeast
        1 Lid Remover

        2225 Calories and 94 Grams of protein per day for one year.

        Guess you going to have to pack it yourself. But this to give you an idea what you need for food per person for 1 year.

        An apartment size propane cookstove with a small oven is very efficient. Normal everyday usage is from 2 to 5 gallons a month. Five gallons of propane is commonly called a 20 pound cylinder. You can get two 25 gallon cylinders (100 pound) and hook up with automatic switch over when the first tank is empty it switches to the full tank. Hook up to a propane stove and you have one year supply of cooking for a family of four. This is just an estimate–your results may vary. Now this is not a camp stove but a regular looking small apartment size propane kitchen stove.

        What about light for a year? If you use a Dietz lantern for light and use it 4 hours each night you will need how many gallons a year? 26 hours per fill up on I believe is 22 ounces, 128 ounces in a gallon, one gallon will give 150.8 hours of light or 37.7 days per gallon. A little less then 10 gallons of lamp oil or kerosene per year. Plus extra wicks and at least one spare globe. You can burn kerosene it is cheaper then lamp oil but it smells. Make sure you test it before depending on it. That means kill the lights for 1 hour and burn it and see if you can handle the smell. Highly refine kerosene sold in stores will not give off the bad smell that heating kerosene does. Please be careful with a lit flame in your house around children, pets and anything flammable.

        The most important thing to have on your property beside owning it free and clear is a drilled well. Hauling water is for the birds. I have advised many people it’s better to own five acres with a well than forty acres without one. Water is vital and after the first few days of hauling water more then ten feet it become old, tiring, and a dreaded chore. They say each person uses seventy gallons a day that includes, cooking, drinking, flushing the toilet, and showers. You can get by with ten gallons a day pretty good except when you wash clothes. A solar shower sold in camping supply stores are a great thing to have. Fill it in the morning place where the sun can reach it and you have a hot shower.

        A drain field for most states requirement for a drain field for even a small cabin is a ridiculous price ranging from $6,000 to $20,000 to meet new strict codes. Before you buy property make sure you find out the cost. Normal problems are typically found in the blue states with too many bureaucrats. Some states are so strict they will not allow National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) approved composting toilets. That is a clear indication it is time to vote with your feet and move to a red state. If you can use a basic composting toilet, a sink, a shower drain hooked to a small drain field. It works great.

        If you do have a well on your property there are lots of ways to get water from windmills, hand pumps and solar power pumps. Water is a requirement that you need every single day. So, the first thing you need on any property is a well.

        Are you heating with wood? How much wood do you need to get through a winter? Depends on the size of the building, how well insulated, where you live and how efficient your stove is. Cheap $100 wood stoves are for the birds. Get a better airtight stove. Buy the better thicker pipe, buy the cleaning rods and brush, if you have a chimney fire how do you put it out. There is a couple of ways you can set up a chimney cab that slams shuts on the top. This cuts off the vent and air or another way is they sell a item that looks like a road flare you can toss in your wood stove that is suppose to put it out. I have not tested either. But have cleaned my pipes and chimney every year. I don’t burn pine or fir or cedar. If you do burn soft resinous wood like pine I recommend you clean your chimney once a month. Another safely precaution is a metal roof it might just save your house from burning to the ground if you ever do have a chimney fire. If you have never had a chimney fire they say it sounds like a tornado shooting up the chimney and flames shooting straight up 4-5 feet or more. Normally they happen in the coldest nasty weather because people really fire up the stove then. Might just ruin your whole winter to watch your retreat burn to the ground. Hopefully you have smoke detectors and everyone made it out safe. Be careful wood stoves can be dangerous.

        Get a good chain saw like a Husqvarna 141. They are good on gas not too heavy and very reliable. Extra chains, spare bar, spark plugs, pull cord, sharpening files at least 6, and air filters. Maybe a spare electronic ignition brain. You will need 5 gallons of chain and bar oil, or in an emergency you can use used motor oil. 10 gallons of gas per year and enough 2 cycle mixing oil for the gas. Now how are you going to haul the wood back to the cabin? A 2 wheel cart is one way. Splitting mauls make sure you buy them with fiberglass or steel handles. Axes with fiberglass handles same with rakes and shovels use fiberglass handles. You are going to need safety goggles and plenty of leather work gloves. Cutting down standing trees is dangerous if you never handled a chain saw before it might be a good idea to go out with a trusted friend and have him teach you the safe use of dropping trees and chain saw use.

        Okay, so far we have talked about a small hunting camp with a metal roof heated with wood, a propane cooking stove for summer cooking, a well, compost toilet with a small drain field for sink and shower, good tools, etc. Now what else? Just the basics of what you will need. A .22 rifle with a good scope and 1000 rounds of ammo, a 12 gauge pump shotgun–I prefer the Remington 870–with assorted shells: slugs, buckshot and bird shot, a good hunting rifle, at least a .308 with a good Leopold scope and 160 rounds for it.

        Now what else? gill nets, four dozen assorted snares , extra matches, good flints, traps, garden seeds, a way to can or dry and store food. Flashlights, in 9 volts like the PAL Light which is great because it is has a always on feature that last two years on one battery. The solar yard lights are fairly cheap come with AA Batteries that can be put in to use in other flashlights. Or remove the batteries at dusk place back in the day and recharge again. Lots to do with that idea. Use your head. Having a working flashlight 6 months into a real emergency is God sent. Worst comes to worst you can use them inside for your night lights.

        A year supply of food. A good basic storage assortment with just the essentials and don’t forget a wheat grinder so you can grind flour. This is written for a single person or small family that would want to live at their deer camp for one year. I am not even getting into retreat defense or other assorted guns and the amount of ammo required for that.

        First aid. Don’t forget spare eye glasses, chap stick, Vaseline, prescription medicine, super glue, tweezers, Advil, aspirin, assorted Band-Aids, gauze, wraps, antiseptic, etcetera. Make the kit according to your family needs.

        Make sure you cover the basic needs first. What good is 12,000 rounds of ammo, two battle rifles, BDUs, one flashlight, and one case of MREs after the first week? You must have a full plan to survive. Providing for just one year takes some serious dedication to reach that level. A couple of decks of cards, pens, papers, small note books, the list can go on and on and on. You have to be well rounded. Can you skin a buck, run a trap line, drop a tree with a chain saw, plant a garden, protect your garden, preserve your food? Do you have dogs? Do you have enough stored food for them? How about pest control, mice traps, squirrels, rabbits, coons, ground hogs, can sure tear up a garden do you have traps for them? Think it through: Chipmunks, gophers, garden pest, and bug control. Mosquito netting is the best thing you can buy if you plan on being outdoors.

        Sit down and try to put a list together for one year of supplies. You know just the basics like where are you going to get water every day. How are you going to cook? How do you heat in the winter? Have you ever tried to chop a years supply of wood? Do you have children? What kind of medicine will you need for them in 1 year? What kind of non power games do you have for them to do? Does you wife sew or crotchet? Do you have some supplies like that put away. A knitted wool hat or mittens sure would be nice if you didn’t have them when you left. How about washing clothes? One way that works ok is to take 5-6 gallon buckets and cut a small hole in the center of the lid just big enough for a toilet plunger. Fill 3/4 ways with water add soap (you did remember laundry soap for a year right?) add clothes for about one person pants, shirt t-shirt, under wear and socks, plunged for 1 minute let soak for 5 minutes plunge again for 10 seconds. Dump out water, fill with fresh water again plunge for 1 minute dump out, fill again with clean water plunge for 1 minute dump out. Hand wring the clothes, hang out to dry or hang near wood stove in the winter to dry. Again be careful you don’t allow clothes to get to close to the wood stove or you have a fire hazard.

        You did put away enough toilet paper for a year, right? You also protected this toilet paper with traps or poison so the mice and chipmunks didn’t chew it all, up right? How about feminine products for a year. What about yeast infections? I know not the most pleasant thing to talk about but a must if you are seriously planning to survive. I talked to an old timer once that grew up in the Depression and I asked him what did you use for toilet paper his words “Last year Sears and Roebuck catalog, oh and by the way I sold all my furs to them too.” What would be a good catalog today? How about some thick old city telephone books, might be a good choice to store away for back up toilet paper.

        I did this the old fashioned way through hard knocks. Trust me, the first time you have to haul water for 100 yards you will wish you spent the money for a well. When your Coleman lantern runs out of fuel or breaks, you will wish you had a Dietz lantern back up. When your splitting maul wooden handle breaks you will wish you had spent the extra money for fiberglass. When your ammunition is damp and unreliable you will wish you’d spent the $5.00 each for used ammo cans. Trust me, I learned these all the hard way and still had the luxury of running to store for replacement supplies. When I say I tested everything that is what I mean and along the way I had several lessons learn the hard way. Having a fully stocked retreat is a comfort. Having tested everything yourself it gives you experience and know how. A few lesson learned.

        Learn to snare with professional grade snares as a priority survival skills. Tell the truth I wish I would have started snaring when I was 10. Good scope are worth every penny Leopold’s I recommend. Don’t panic react. If you are working on a plan to survive when something happen activate the plan. In studies of emergency how people react can mean the difference between life and earth. Having been through extensive Military training I learned an important lesson your mind and body will react by how it has been trained. If you have no training on emergency you can’t really say how you will react. So practice your plan.

        Lots to think about. You will be glad that you put up a year supply of food, it sure will make a welcome sight every morning instead of surviving like scare crows eating sawdust and rats, that is brown rats not the good tasting marsh rabbit–what most folks call muskrats. :-). When you have water, heat, a cook stove, and roof over your head life will seem pretty good. Lots to do when you sit down and really look at what it takes to survive with just the basics for one year. Don’t waste your time worrying, get to work. After you take care of the basics then you can move forward with more advanced plans. –

        • would add to your 5 “b’s”….bras and boots. prep, prep, prep.

          and socks, but for the boots, not the bras 🙂

        • Mop wringer bucket—chinamart—$40. Will come in handy, trust me.
          TSC–2 big plastic tubs for wash/rinse–$13.
          Calcium hypochlorite, known as pool shock, to purify water (even if you have a Berkey).

      46. I hate flying-I only do it if I can find no other alternative. Get a roomy Tahoe, buy a used RV, or bite the bullet and tent camp. But please stay away from the sanctioned-by-the-elites airports. Dangerous, dangerous places. In the old days-when I was in high school, and we were bored kids, we would go to LAX just to watch planes go places we couldn’t. We were treated as slightly funny and silly high schoolers-which we were. Now? We would be handcuffed, sexually assaulted legally, given a record that would follow us through life, and prevented from riding anything but a trolly. My how my country has fallen.
        If you want a REAL go anywhere RV that can stand an end of the world scenario-check out Global Expeditions in Nixa Missouri. Incredible-I would adore having one.

      47. seems to me that the black budget US government (the one that continues to grow, build, and plan regardless of who the POTUS is)has all the resources that it needs to investigate, track, detain, arrest, harass and even disappear us at it’s leisure DURING PEACETIME….

        But what happens if we have an external nuclear or EMP attack? What happens if we have a hyperinflationary economic collapse that leaves the entire country in shambles and starvation-driven riots? What happens if we engage Iran in an all-out war and Russia jumps-in???

        What if race riots, civil war, territorial encroachment in the south, actual foreign (or domestic) terror attacks or other inevitable calamities leave 20 or more major U.S. cities burning or in a state of anarchy???

        Y’all really think the government will be able to deploy all of this technology and human capital to keep us sheep in the pasture the way that it is able to now???

        I’m banking that if things were to get as bad as what many of us are prepping for that the gubbymint will have trouble answering its own phones and fueling its vehicles.

      48. Every prepper should have someway of heating up food, water, and other items using the least amount of wood or other items that burn. This article I just found about making your own rocket stove for cheap costs looks like that answer and not too difficult to build:

      49. OFF SUBJECT:

        In regard to the terrorist who wanted to blow up the Fed Reserve Bank. His thoughts were to blow up the bank subsequently ruining the US economy.

        Poor bastard, he didn’t realize he was 4 years to late!

      50. The southern section of the Australian plate just had another earthquake, 5.7 south of Tasmania, Australia. It is looking like the northern most section on the Australian plate could be ready to get hit also. I would like to add India and the Kashmir area to possible target zones for a very big earthquake. The Australian plate migrates almost directly north and northeast towards India and rides over the Asia plate and causes the tallest mountains in the world, the Himalayas. The Australian plate influnces also how the Pacific plate behaves. Depending on the location of the big earthquake, this could affect the west coast of the U.S.

        I still see the Soloman Islands over to Tahiti as the best chance. The Kermandec Islands looked very primed. Have another earthquake between the one yesterday that happened on the Mid-Indian Ridge, and the one today west of Macquarie Island, that is at least 5.5, and I would give within 72 hours a very large earthquake will occur. Likely with a decent sized tsunami. Movement along the southern ridge of the Australian plate usually means something big, this much movement means the plate is really on the move which means big earthquakes to follow.

        • BI thanks for the info…..keep it up!

      51. @ Copperhead, I’m not sure what happened to get you to start with all the information but keep it up! Great posts lately!

        • I agree, Norse Prepper.

          Thank you so much Copperhead. I am collating and printing several copies of your posts. They will be put into small binders to give away. More and more people are just beginning but have asked questions — I’m going to use them to help newbies. Thank you.

      52. @ Norse Prepper. Copperhead deserves a big fat golden star for all of this. Maybe Mac could condense all of this valuable information into some area of the site so we can easily copy it for WHEN the internet is no more. This is too good not to save and be able to access WHEN we need it on a hard copy like the printed page type if all the computers are fried because of maybe an EMP.



        Effective Upon Posting in a prominent place in each County and in effect until further notice, the following items are hereby banned from private possession by the recently enacted Amplified United Nations Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) Normalization Accord:

        1. All fully automatic or short-barreled rifles and shotguns (regardless of prior registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934).
        2. Any rifle over thirty (.30) caliber, any shotgun or weapon of any description over twelve (12) gauge in diameter.
        3. All semiautomatic rifles and shotguns, all rifles and shotguns capable of accepting a detachable magazine.
        4. Any detachable magazines, regardless of capacity.
        5. Any weapon with a fixed magazine that has a capacity of more than four (4) cartridges (or shells).
        6. All grenades and grenade launchers, all explosives, detonating cord, and blasting caps (regardless of prior registration under the Gun Control Act of 1968 or state or local blasting permits).
        7. All explosives precursor chemicals.
        8. All firearms regardless of type that are chambered for military cartridges (including but not limited to 7.62mm NATO, 5.56mm NATO, .45 ACP, and 9mm Parabellum).
        9. All silencers (regardless of prior registration under the National Firearms Act of 1934).
        10. All night vision equipment, including, but not limited to, infrared, light amplification, or thermal, all telescopic sights, and all laser aiming devices.
        11. All handguns—regardless of type or caliber.
        12. Other distinctly military equipment, including, but not limited to, armored vehicles, bayonets, gas masks, helmets, and bulletproof vests.
        13. Encryption software or devices.
        14. All radio transmitters (other than baby monitors, cordless phones, short-range wireless devices, or cell phones).
        15. Full metal jacket, tracer, incendiary, and armor-piercing ammunition.
        16. All ammunition in military calibers.
        17. Irritant or lethal (toxin) chemical agents, including, but not limited to, CS and CN tear gas, and OC pepper spray.
        18. All military-type pyrotechnics and flare launchers.


        ~;0p pssszzt

        • This is not meant to be offensive, but how exactly is it that “we” are all screwed and “you” are not?

          Just curious since your wording makes it sound as though you will be unaffected by these things.

          Is there some way you will manage to circumvent the upcoming food price increases, the gun control measures described above and the expanding Gestapo?

          If so, how about some recommendations for doing so instead of just pronouncements of doom?

          ~ D

          • @ Daisy

            You know, that’s a very valid point you’re raising!

      54. “Never, under any circumstances, ever become a refugee. . . . Die if you must, but die on your home turf with your face to the wind, not in some stinking hellhole 2,000 kilometers away, among people you neither know nor care about.”
        —Ragnar Benson, Ragnar’s Urban Survival (2000)

      55. While I agree he is being abused and retaliated against, there is more to the story than him being a ‘prepper’.
        He is probably being punished because of his very vocal criticisms of the NDAA, as well as a few other things.
        “He is a former talk-show host of a small, local radio station known for its ‘patriotic bias.’ He is a member of ‘Patriots for America’ and the Mississippi Preparedness Project. He is openly vocal about the erosion of our rights – and it certainly looks like he has been proven correct. Is that now a crime worthy of being denied the ability to travel freely within the United States?” Hagmann writes.”
        More info here:

      56. is anyone really surprized at this given everything that has transpired and the rate at which it has in this nation over the last 10+ years..?? i’m not… get your prepping done, kids… do it now, do it fast, do it as broadly as possible; think about it, read about it, use cash to do it but do it… time is quick approaching when even prepping will become a high level issue to “detain” large numbers of us over… this is but another “soft probe”(V-N vets will understand the term) to gauge reactions… giterdun is all i can say…

      57. I’m making copies of every online article I find to be do’able if it relates to: food storage, alternate means of food prep, camp cooking, medical care, domestic animal care, organic insecticides for gardening, blacksmithing etc.

        Iv’e found to be an excellent resource for used books on a variety of relevant topics at an inexpensive price, and free shipping.

        One thing that I haven’t noticed on storage list is a tube of the emergency dental filling. Iv’e seen superglue for use as a skin adhesive, but in a pinch it can hold a dental crown in place as well.

      58. If you are a prepper, do not put any NRA, Gadsden stickers or anything that will draw attention to yoursself.

        I’m over 50 years old, never had a ticket, never have been pulled over until a friend of mine made me a sticker that simply said “Don’t tread on Me”. The day I placed this sticker on my truck, I was pulled over and for the next 2 weeks I was pulled over a total of 6 times until I removed the sticker and was never bothered again.

        Be a prepper, stock Guns and Ammo, but keep it to yourself and no matter how well you know someone, trust but verify.

      59. Interesting comments. To those who state they do not have to fly – this is not the issue. The issue is that this individual was prevented from flying for no good reason. I fully understand that post 9/11 we must be more vigilant, but at what cost? Is all this security worth our freedom? Being a prepper is complying with the suggestions and recommendations of FEMA. How then can a prepper be also deemed to be an enemy of our country? The size of the no-fly list suggests that there are many individual placed on this list who might not be main-stream, but who are certainly no threat to anyone. For this very reason I have mentioned countless times, be careful what you are posting as you do not know who all reads these posts. Why make yourself as target? I discuss with very few my prepping activities. All this reminds me a bit of East Germany where 1/2 of the population watched the other ½ of the population. It starts with the various Block Clubs in cities. Your neighbor being too interested in what you keep in your garage and your mail man commenting on all the mail you are receiving from all over the world. I hope the day will not come when our paranoia will make us lose the rest of our freedoms. Yes, we should be observant and report questionable activities to the authorities, but I think we have already gone too far with some of our vigilance. We have 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights, but we better be careful of how we exercise these rights as they could make us a target. For individuals like myself who need to travel, not for pleasure, but business, I have no desire to be placed on any list for any reason. Accordingly, the only recourse I have is to limit whatever activities could be viewed as suspicious, even though they are legal. I miss the innocence we lost due to 9/11.

      60. “Someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the Department of Justice.”

        I guess those gov guys don’t know anyone who runs a band saw for a living. Most of them have lost at least 1 finger to their occupation, if not more.

        “Someone who has guns”

        Yeah? Like the Founding Fathers of this nation?

        “someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed”

        Guess that they don’t hunt in the rain or use a boat to get to their hunting area.

        “someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist”

        Which is EXACTLY what FEMA says we all should have!

        Something tells me that the government is not hiring anyone with an IQ above room temp these days.

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