The One Thing You Need To Survive: “Everything Else Is Just Talking and Wishful Thinking”

by | Feb 7, 2014 | Headline News, Selco | 819 comments

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    Editor’s Note: You’ve stocked your pantry. You’ve prepared your supplies and reserves at off-site locations. You’ve developed skills like shooting, food production and trauma care. You have primary, secondary and tertiary plans for evacuating your home or digging in and defending it. For all intents and purposes, you’re ready. At the very least you’re more prepared than 95% of the country. There is no doubt that if you’ve taken steps to prepare for an emergency or disaster ahead of time that your odds of survival have increased significantly. 

    Then it hits the fan and you implement Plan A. And it hits the fan again and you go to Plan B. But the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out.

    Then what? 

    Real survival in crisis situations isn’t just about storing goods ahead of time. It involves something a lot more personal. 

    In the following article a real survivor shares his experience. Selco from SHTF School has lived it. When he fought for his life during the Balkan war of the 1990’s, in what he describes as one year in hell, they never saw the collapse of their nation coming. They didn’t have forewarning or the ability to stock up months or years ahead of time.

    From one day to the next the world changed. 

    As Selco explains, having all the gear is certainly an advantage. But it’s not the most important part of making it out alive – nature is brutal and it doesn’t care how hardcore you (think you) are. 

    Common sense and being able to make quick decisions in the heat of the moment is just as, if not more, critical than all of the preparedness plans you’ve assembled. 

    The one thing you’ll need to survive when all hell breaks loose is an ability to adapt to an ever-changing, unfamiliar landscape. 

    Common sense survival. The return of natural selection.
    By Selco


    How do you imagine a real survivalist?

    Is it a man hidden inside an underground bunker with food for 10 years, completely cut off from outside world? Or is it the guy with the crazy haircut driving a bike on methan, in a full leather outfit with communicaton skills that are not more than screams and some strange gurgling noises, armed with swords from fantasy games and maybe a chainsaw on the back?

    Both examples are something like strange fantasies or for some even wishes (“I want to be like that”) that I saw on more than one survival forum, or TV shows.

    There is also picture of the big savior – the guy who will do only good stuff, save other folks when SHTF, and survive everything. There is a strange opinion in some people that having a stance like “I’ll do only that when SHTF,” either only good or only bad in terms of pillaging and robbing, will keep them safe. If you look at how things happen in nature, you know the natural way does not always mean a happy ending.

    Lots of regular people in today’s society see us prepper and survivalists as weirdos in camouflage suits, conspiracy nuts and similar. Most of them are right, lots of “survivalists” also help in building that image of survivalists. It is hard for some people to just shut up and prep, which is what they should do to keep low profile. But some people make survival so much a part of who they are they want to show off. Their choice.

    The point is that there are lot of definitions of survivalists there, and each one of them is as if it is “written in stone.” I think survival is more about how you are as person and not what you expect. Once disaster strikes, you will see tough guys helpless and regular guys become strong forces. True nature shows up.

    Several days after the shooting started I arranged with friend that he will pick me up with car so we can go and finish some job. We went to a relative’s apartment to look for useful stuff but everything was looted already. In that time vehicles could still drive, but shootings were everywhere and checkpoints too. So violence within the group of people who were caught up in the city was combined with the shooting and shelling from enemy army.

    At this point in time, nobody knew who was shooting who and why, and what groups stand on checkpoints, but people already got killed.

    When he came to pick me up I noticed that rear lights on his car were smashed, broken. And inside car he had some kind of steel plates with hooks and wooden bars that you could kinda attach to the inside of the door.

    He explained to me that he smashed rear lights when he concluded that people get killed when snipers and machine gunners spot them after they hit the brake in the middle of the night during driving (lights are not used anyway during the drive).

    That driving with him was closest thing to the apocalyptic Mad Max version of driving. It was still possible to drive through the street, but it was full of junk, debris, and bodies here and there. He used big lights occasionally when he really needed to see something, but only for sec or two, other than that he was driving in the dark.

    On our way back he changed the position of some steel plates inside the car because he expected different directions of possible incoming bullets.

    We survived that drive. That dude was not an ex special forces member, or guy that you imagine, some strong tough dude. He was simple family guy, he worked as a postman before everything.

    He had no experience with violence, gunfire or anything similar other than dogs barking at him while he delivered mail.

    You may say “oh, nothing too smart, it is common sense to not use brake lights and put something between you and flying bullets”, and yes you are right it is common sense, but the point is that you need to know WHEN you need to start to use common sense.

    A great number of people got killed because they “waited to see what is gonna happen”, other folks started to use common sense early and survived (at least more of them, because no matter what we do there is always factor X – that you are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time).

    Those who can switch fast and let ideas of normal life go increase their chances for survival a lot! Many “fantasy” survivalists will wake up to a big surprise that things are not like they thought. It is true you should understand and know what to expect but even more important is to quickly change your way of life, how you think about security. A flexible thinker survives because they have many options to do things and react if they have to.

    Another time the shelling caught us on the inside of one of the apartment buildings, group of some 5-6 of us. Whole floor collapsed around us and on us.

    Few seconds later we get on our feet, and find out that one of us is half buried under the rubble, other ones get minor wounds and scratches. We started to dig to uncover the buried guy, after that we realized that he was almost shredded from his thighs down, and his feet were under the piece of concrete wall.

    After one try to lift him, we realize that there is no way to do it.

    His legs were in so bad shape that while I was trying to do some kind of bleeding control I realize that actually I do not have clue what leg is left and what is right. It was simply all messed up and mixed from thighs down. Under the knees I could see that all was mixture of white and red, pressed and mixed. And he was screaming big time.

    Shelling started again, with pretty big chance for all of us to be buried under the walls. I would be a liar if I could say that I did not wanted to leave that dude there stranded, and just get the hell out of there, but somehow I still stupidly was trying to stop bleeding with straps from the shirt.

    Then (luckily) one of the guys stepped out and pushed me. Then with a rifle bayonet he simple cut off almost amputated feet from stranded guy who luckily passed out, took him on his back and said “OK, lets go“. After we left the place, it collapsed from shelling. And strangely stranded guy survived everything.

    If that dude did not cut his feet off we probably all got killed, or would have just left that man to die there.

    Luckily one of us had common sense to do what has to be done in a very quick and efficient way, and he did not have any medical knowledge.

    There are many more stories how people got killed in very stupid ways and stories how people who have common sense survived (more of that in my course), but you get my point.

    A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.

    You can follow Selco’s story at SHTF School and learn how he survived one year in hell. 


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      1. It’s all in your mind….

        • I wanted to comment on this article, but I’m having trouble deciding what to say.

          • I was thinking I’d like the tank as pictured. Maybe there’s one available on government surplus auctions.

            • “the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out”

              It occurred to me the other day that the novels dealing with SHTF scenarios have a common result: Nearly everyone who goes to their retreat ends up losing the retreat and having to move again, and maybe several times. I realize they are fictional novels, but this article does raise the possibility of having to keep moving and moving, and it is an article based on a real SHTF situation.

              • Really? Older people won’t beable to stay on the move.
                The one thing is not being afraid to die for what you believe in (standing one’s ground). Basically, tptb are coming after the Christians and I am expecting them as uninvited guest.
                Want to test our faith sons of darkness? Bring it.

                • There is a major difference between, surviving a disaster, and living in a world that has changed. Surviving the initial catastrophe takes a great many things most of all can be luck depending on the disaster. But living in a world that has been changed, that takes so much more than just simple preps, digging in, or bugging out. To live in the world takes the ability to overcome and adapt to ANY and ALL situations that could possibly present themselves. You have to be willing to fit into however the world molds itself in the aftermath, while maintaining whatever morals and principles that keeps you sane. Most of all you have to be able to act and or respond anything that would harm yourself or the people that you care about.


                  • American Indians faced the Federal govt and even with most tribes being nomadic and w/ principles, they lost the battle.
                    For them though, some war plans worked against the govt. Just ask Custer how that military training worked out for him.
                    We The People must think smarter, faster, and more adaptable.

                  • When you understand the blowback/payback that will arise from the people when the “elite” implement their economic devastation, you will begin to see why the Master Race “elite” are working overtime for our depopulation, not their depopulation.

                    Understand the implications of worldwide unemployment for the “elite”:


                    Big time payback—and that is why they are trying to beat us to the punch.

                  • Bottom line is guerrilla warfare is the ONLY way to take out a better-supplied enemy. That’s how they did it in 1776 and that’s how the Afghanis have survived.

                    Of course, this only occurs in a situation where you have a third party supplying you (as we were by the French in 1776; the Russians and China supplied Vietnam; we supplied the Afghanis against Russia; and in turn, the Afghanis are being supplied against us by Iran, Syria, etc.).

                    If you have a situation like North Korea where the tyrannical government is being supplied by a larger tyrant and you ARE not being supplied by anybody, you are nothing but FUBAR’d.

                  • That is the best response I have read on here! well said

                • I don’t know nor do I know anyone who does know for sure at what given time and place who will show up. I do know that the younger me was tested many times over the course of my life and that I acted swiftly, perhaps not always in the manner that in afterthought was considered the wisest decisions but I did what had to be done.

                  Problem with experience is not that you have the ability to act as decisively because experience jades your thought process with multiple outcomes. If that makes sense to any of you who have led call it for a lack of words, a robust life.


                  • BIGB – Makes alot of sense to me , having lived
                    a very “robust” life myself .
                    Now if i can find the “younger me” when i need him ,
                    then i will be fine .

                  • Custer was arrogant and didn’t count on the fact that the Sioux would gather more warriors, and know how to draw them into the perfect spot for an ambush. Custer thought his regiment and guns were going to be enough. He was out numbered, and taken off guard. The natives understood the element of surprise and had fought successfully against other native tribes for decades, but their fear of the white man and their guns was deeply implanted into their minds. Crazy horse taught the warriors how to overcome that fear of their skin color and weapons. Another reason why they won that battle.

                    I took Native American studies in college. So much to be learned from them.

                  • Selco’s point is a simple and sharp one:

                    Train your mind.

                    Train your mind to be flexible, all-observing, and adaptable.

                    Train your mind and body to react, and learn *how* to react. Learn how to quickly prioritize events as they happen, and act on them.

                    Dude is entirely correct. I spent a lot of time in the book saying the exact same thing – train the mind first and foremost. No amount of stuff will save you if your mind and body are unable to act in a rational manner.

                  • Custer was an arrogant pigheaded ass. Who would go off and leave his command to visit his girl friend. He would leave behind his Gattling guns, refuse to believe his Indian scouts, who told him there were thousands of Indans, but still not go look for hmself or send out troops, divided his forces, and generally acted as he had in the War: Like a complete FOOL. He and Fetterman were a pair. As Fetterman said: “Give me 80 good men and I can drive the Indians out of here.” It’s estimated he chased 12-15 Indions over a hill into 800-1200. He and his 83 men all died. If I remember correctly the 1873 officers handbood told officers to remember their men were: Theves, liars, cowards, drunks and completely untrustworthy, but very cleaver so watch them. The officers often weren’t that much better. Lucky for them the Indians were much the same. Your are not the only one who read his history (But not the books the school’s recommended)

                • You have got to be kidding. Christians are the most self-entitled group n this country. If history is any guide and statements made by the likes of John Haggee, Huckabee and Barton, it is Christians who are the most likely to go after those whom they deem to be heretics. Take off your martyr syndrome glasses and get your head in the real world.

                  • Who the hell thumbed up homo joe?

                • @DRD5508
                  “Really? Older people won’t be able to stay on the move.”

                  Yeah, really. And a lot of others with physical limitations, medication needs, lack of preparedness, lack of transportation, lack of …, etc. won’t be able to move, or they will be unwilling to move, and they will die as well. So be it. Afterall, some have speculated up to a 90% death rate within a year of certain SHTF situations. You’d better get your big boy pants on or go home. No sense in sugar coating it.

                  • With tons of stuff; I’m not going anywhere. You want to pry me out of my home there’s going to be a lot higher casualty rate than 90 around here. Yeah I’m old, it took me 50 years to get this much junk.

                  • Parnoid, absolutely! their gonna have to burn the stump and sift the ashes to find me…….

                  • @Paranoid:

                    I’d rather have the huge mob eventually rummage through the un-hidden stuff, then come back for all my goodies later, than be dead while clutching a jammed weapon in one hand and a half-shredded MRE bag in the other.

                    There are some situations where you just have to get up and get out.

                  • ODD Q: I’n not going to run unless it’s to a better spot to shoot from. Sombody has to: “Stand and deliver” I don’t want it to be some young person, best to use up us old farts. The issue is can I get a good escort to Valhalla. If I can take enough with me it’s OK, I spent my life trying to improve things; good way to go. As the man said: ” What you waiting for; Move out; you want to live forever?”

                  • Fair enough, but what if what’s coming is a forest fire?

                    Point is, you should always have a means of getting out of your shelter and remaining alive.

                • The most formidable opponent is one who is without fear in the face of death…these ARE the people who should BE feared….not all us “old folks” are “out to pasture” just yet…
                  Collectively, we have far more practical knowledge stored in our brains than they will ever be aware of.



              • @Mordecai

                Stay away from crowds.

                Selco, thanks for your insight based on experiences.

                It occurs to me that people write novels about SHTF situations, they speculate on how it will all go down, they make recommendations and give tips on how to prepare based on what they write, heck, they even promote certain geographic areas of the US that everyone should move to and live. They make money from their writings, blogs, appearances at preparedness conferences, and advertisers. In reality they don’t know from experience what will happen. At least Selco can speak from experiences that he and friends had during several months of war and then the years of rebuilding afterwards. Now, unfortunately, things are going bad again.

              • I have been rethinking the commonly held assumption that for most(assuming you don’t live in the big urban areas which is statistically a death sentence)the best strategy is to stay put and avoid being a refugee and all its perils if you don’t have a BOL.

                Living in the deep south along the Mississippi in a gun loving, (hunting is the recreational pastime mindset -which has its definite advantages) I have begun to think more like Selco. Things don’t turn out as you plan or envision.

                My contrarian consideration is that down south everyone has guns everywhere, and has an over reliance on them to solve any potential problems if a shtf scenario unfolds.

                If these gun lovers find that they have not adequately diversified their preps into other areas like food and water, they may be more “inclined” to go to the dark side and take what they need at gun point, even if shots are exchanged.

                Thus, my interest in having more mobility. For the sake of argument, assume you have a 4 wheel drive truck and a trailer full of supplies that you can take with you on short notice so that you are not on foot with very little supplies, and that you have enough gasoline on board for 1,000 miles without refueling, and take back roads,etc

                What happens if you encounter a sudden road block, perhaps a deliberately fallen tree across the road, or a pile of rocks? In the same way a waiting ambush team can’t stay around 24/7, or might try to create roadblocks in one area to divert traffic to a kill and loot zone, one option may be to try to go off road and around the obstruction, the other may simply be to turn around and try an alternate route, which may lead you into a trap as well.

                It boils down to what should you take with you in this to deal with this possible event? My thinking so far is to have 1.)a chain saw (but the problem is the noise will alert those who have set the trap), but more importantly a large 2 hand saw and some pry bars- which would be no doubt more energy intensive, but quieter, and saving in gas and extra driving.

                2.) a winch to your truck to pull you out and the trailer if they get stuck in the event you have to go off road.

                What else? Chains/cables? a few planks of wood? Log pics?

                • The folks who put the tree or rockpile in the road are going to put it where you can’t just drive around it and keep on your merry way.

                  An act of nature, you can get out and clear it.

                  A trap is a trap. Plan on reconnoitering ahead of you.

                  As far as serious cross-country driving, you will need :

                  Two sets of chains for your 4WD
                  A power winch and plenty of cable
                  A quality hand winch/come-along
                  Some sand and gravel for traction
                  For deep sand or mud, some rolled carpet strips about 2 feet wide
                  Two spade shovels, and one flat shovel
                  Pulley blocks and logging chains, two each
                  Chain saw
                  Axe and small cross-cut saw
                  Two spare tires on rims.

                  Not to mention tire repairs, spare parts, tools, oil, lubricants, etc. Tire inflator, etc.

                  • a PAIR of tow straps(heavy duty), and a way to attach them to the vehicle towing YOU out, or to a vehicle YOU TOW out…you MIGHT be convoying to have more security. i cleared a local road in the mountains after a foot of snow a year ago with my jeep, no winch. probly at least 10 trees had fallen on the mountain fire-road because of the snow loaded them down and made them fall across the road. some of them i had to use 2 straps to get to them in a way i could drag them off. the very last one i encountered another member of my 4×4 club coming from the other direction and we worked together to get the last and hardest tree off. on the way home on pavement i encountered a car(late-model) on a hill. i stopped to help her, but had nothing to connect her car to a tow strap. jeeps/trucks carrying tow straps are made for heavy duty stuff and all it would have taken was a small piece of chain, but i didn’t have one, so she got left(help wasn’t tooo far away.)

                  • yes, a trap is a trap, but they MAY not be too serious, so if you had a couple flak jackets around you, it might get you through SOME of those “traps”…they can be had for 50 to 150 dollars(sometimes even LESS), and they will be PRICELESS!(possibly MORE expensive) when the shooting starts. a flak jacket in a backpack can be used as a shield, to place in the direction you might expect fire from(carried with you while OUT of the vehicle too). and don’t forget a couple 4×6’s or 6×8’s about 3 to 5 feet long for crossing obstacles…of course they won’t do you any good if you’ve never practiced with them…you’ld be surprised what you can get through with a 2wheel drive with the right equipment, and a little practice! a machete would be a good idea too…only 10 bucks or so for the peeps with limited money. and don’t rely on the JACK in the TRUNK!

                • It’s never gonna make it to a hollywood blockbustershtf movie but I’m convinced everyone who can should aim to be able to slip away quickly if needed on with a tent and bicycle.

                  A pushbike is silent and can go where motor vehicles can’t. A small bivvy or pop up tent inside an abandoned building will give you some protection from the worst weather extremes. Add a straw filter and a means of boiling water and some common sense and most on here would figure out a way to live another day.

                  I do worry sometimes that for many preppers, their addiction to “stuff” will get them killed. There is no point sitting on a 10 year supply of supplies if you aren’t alive to use it. Much better to help your loved ones slip away quietly and then figure out how to reclaim your turf on another day if a flash mob hits your home.

                  Right now in the UK we have pretty extensive flooding in parts of the country where the lunatics have not yet taken over the asylum. It’s such a shame to see lively hoods, homes etc destroyed. Yet the death/injury toll has not been as high as it could have been thanks to that now out of fashion human quality – common sense. Check out the BBC website if you are interested. One city is now declared “closed”. I’m hoping Birt the Brit is not in one of the affected areas.

                  • To Lonelonmum – Thank you for your post.
                    That is shocking to me, that a city is Declared ‘Closed.’
                    I will check out the BBC website. I appreciate your informative posts from the other side of the pond.
                    Please stay safe and well.

              • If your not moving your dying. For those of you who are serious, you must be effective at night. I know it is expensive but thermal is a game changer.

                Keep your head on a swivel people.

            • You look down the barrel…distract em’…
              I’ll come up and get em’ from behind…

              A scary way to approach the problem but very true…

              I just hope when you all read what this man has done…you truly start to “game” every aspect of your daily life…

              What would or did Selco do…I mean everything!!!
              Even the trip to mailbox…

            • That’s a Russian tank.

            • All ovomit does is lie.

              Do you remember this one? If you have a business you didn’t build that.

              • However I got an ass and you can kiss it (to Obama).

              • Shooter,
                I saw a Domino’s Pizza commercial that had a sign saying “Yes, we did build this!”.
                I told my wife that it took a bit of balls to issue that slap in the face to Obama. That is, if I interpreted it correctly.

            • EBAY Motors sometimes has Tanks for sale under the Military Vehicles listings. Usually has 70 or so vehicles listed. Most are 2.5 ton “Duece and a Half’s” army trucks and Jeeps. Tanks aint cheep! A British guy had a couple for sale there a couple yrs ago and his asking prices were around $55 to %75 Grand each!

              One had rubber treads for blacktop street use! ALL such tanks have decomisioned guns though…Made to NOT fire rounds….Its still a Tank otherwise though!

              Lots of good stuff for sale at that ebay motors page listing sometimes. Planes and Helos sometimes also!

              • The sun came out today but the yard is a swamp so I can’t get my tractor out to go out and work in the pasture without tearing up the yard so I’ll just wait a couple more days. I split a rack of wood a couple days ago. The chickens are laying again and the best thing of all is tomorrow my briskets will be ready to cook / can / and eat! Don’t care if it rains, snows, sleets or shines… tomorrow I’m gonna eat some home made corned beef brisket on home made rye with home made sauerkraut. Wife broke out some hominy and green chili from the freezer that we made a year ago. Man… we are gonna feast tomorrow.

                • CN
                  What are you drinking. If you invite me I’ll bring it.
                  man that sounds GGOOOODD!!!!!

                  • Sgt… Generally I drink whatever I have on hand but mostly wine or a couple ice cold beers. I’m not much on pairing so I will probably throw down some cheap Carlo Rossi Cabernet or Chianti unless the daughter brings over some Irish ale. It doesn’t taste too bad if it’s cold and besides their ring handled glass gallon jugs are great for all kinds of stuff including bartering. I drink Carlo Rossi for the jugs, not for the wine. The wine is an afterthought. The jugs are great for storing used motor oil, kerosene, Clorox, water etc.. Also good for making small amounts of home brew or even to rack off a six gallon carboy into smaller jugs. The subsequent rackings are easier to work with than trying to manhandle a heavy full six gallon glass carboy on a small counter top. They fit the water distiller perfect. It’s almost as though Carlo Rossi designed their ring handled gallon jugs with all of this in mind.

          • ditto…

        • It gets down to the Quick and the Dead……

          • Daughters joke:

            Know what that squishy stuff is between
            an elephants toes? Slow natives.

            • @ OutWest: That’s exactly how its going to be, Quick and the Dead. Who ever is quicker, thinks faster, and more mobile. Once you think you have everything figured out, who, what, when, where, how, why, YOUR WRONG! When it starts, everything will be a conspiracy, confusion, deception, intimidation and many other big words I cant think of right now. Basically you wont be able to trust anyone but that Boomstick you got slung on your shoulder. It will come down to some form of trust, or how fast your draw is. But the trust part might take a while. Watch Ur Sixx!

              • Ryback

                Survival will be left to pure instinctive reaction.

                It is something everyone was born with, but little
                chance to put it into use in a modern convenience
                oriented society.

                I almost think that a lot of pussycats will become
                raging tigers when put into a corner, more than one
                would normally expect. Just my guess though.

                • i respectfully disagree, outwest….toooo many stupid people these days. and i hate to say it, but a lot of them NEED to die…chlorine for the gene pool, so to speak. just to many laws protecting the stupid from themselves nowadays. and the stupid that survive just breed MORE stupid. just look at congress if you need to see for yourself. no disrespect meant to the GOOD congresscritters, all three of ’em.

              • How “fast” you draw? How about, like, 5 minutes before the guy gets there…

                Quick draw loses to smart draw every single time. Han Solo draw. You already have it out and ready. If not then he should already be in the crosshairs of at least one of your snipers by the time a danger exists.

                • when you read ALL of selco’s stuff you’ll realize there MIGHT be encounters in the night where literally the first person to get the drop on the other will survive. shoot FIRST, and ask questions NEVER!….just like the cops of the 21st century!

                • 5 minutes before the guy gets there? How do you know he’s coming, unless your stalking him or your camping. Its not going to be like the Modern Warfare games or in the Movies. You going to be on a scope at your hideout 24/7 sniping people? You get caught you will be skinned alive, literally? Most encounters will happen suddenly with out warning, and you have to decide if its going to be friendly or ugly and you have to think fast. You better be a quick with mouth or quick with gun. And yes there will be that little kid with a .22 trying to kill you. IT will become a hard cold world. And you better be too. Quick and the Dead get it!

              • You’re just describing a ‘close-quarter’ situation IMO

                Some preppers, with the benefits of foreknowledge from history and skills to reap the advantage of more advanced technologies will become the ‘goto’ people for how to reshape a local bartering system and the world will be saved from mankind’s overreach when he begins growing his own damn tomatoes!


                Is anybody interested in amazing ways everything can be all right?

                • i, personally, would LOVE to hear a good outcome for all the ails in the world right now. but every time i engage in a conversation with FACTS, it turns into arm-waving and calling me a racist(i hate poor people)….i don’t know you quantum b, but i betcha yer about to tell a FICTIONAL account of how everything works out OK….so, yes, you got a STORY….probly should start it with “once upon a time….”

            • It’s the jack asses that I’m worried about.

            • What really angered the rancher about seing his hired hand’s name written in the snow in urine?

              The fact that it was his own daughter’s handwriting.

          • ANYONE that has supplies and has some to a lot of survival knowledge is doing one thing, INCREASING THEIR CHANCES of surviving all sorts of SHTF from personal to minor to very catastrophic. This is what it is all about, just increasing your likelihood of making it through whatever that knows society down to its knees. This is why the more you are ready to better off you will be WHEN SHTF. Expectations can be high to survive anything, but those that have prepared will fare magnitudes better than those that have not. 🙂

            • BI; Agreed, I was just stating what Selco is saying, “it is all in your thought process, ie, your mind”.

              • “Fear is only in your mind” – It’s up to you whether it sits in the drivers seat or rides in the trunk.

                • Courage is the art of never letting anyone know you’re scared to death!

                  • 1000 + thumbs up

                  • Got some combat time, there, Mama???
                    Good for you.

            • BI
              YUP, most people will not know what they are capable of until they are faced with it! some will stand-up and others will fall short, BUT those who at least are TRYING to prepare do have a better chance than those who don’t, the hardest part will be when they see how cruel and ugly people will become when they are starving or just plain have no law to keep them in check, and the only thing to do so is a bullet!

              • So, you’re saying, simply, that there will still be laws, just different laws. Instead of Color of Law, there will be Newton’s Laws (as they apply to accelleration, decelleration, impact, expansion, etc).


                No, really, its just different laws. The thing is, instead of the fake Color Of Laws (that are, in effect “sayso” laws…) real law will be in effect.

                I think I like real law and I will get along with it and the world it is practiced in, well. Its the current world I can’t seem to function so well. You know, the one where you work hard and then they take your property and give it to those who refuse to work AT ALL… For some of us, life may look easy, but, inside we’re tortured.

                I know, I know, I’ve heard it all before, “You’ll change your tune when SHTF…”

                Well, we shall see. Looks like it might be fairly soon, too.

                My boss has already hung this picture on my door at work:


            • I agree. Chance favors only the prepared mind. Louis Pasteur

            • BI, One thing that really gets me is that most preppers are like, “Well, I got me this here big pile of chow so I don’t have to go begging from the giverment. You all can just stand in line if you want but I’ll just have lunch.” …at least that is my impression.

              Guess what? I’ll be just as dirty and just as poor looking as the rest of them. I consider that sort of thing “Resource Enhancement Operations” or REOPS. If they’re giving out free cheese, go get it. Just beware of the trip pan. Don’t be thinking its just all fun and games but don’t think they won’t be watching, they being TPTW and your neighbors. “Hey! How come we never see the Rangers at the cheese parties?” They’ll know. Better show up or they’ll know you got food and when it all boils down to it, they’ll want some of it.

              They’ll use terms like “hoarder” or that you knew this was going to happen and, therefore, you helped cause it, blah, blah, blah. Won’t matter if its true, just if it could be true. They will use anything to justify the taking of your food and water.

              REOPS is not just REOPS, its part OPSEC.

              • NR,

                Every one had their hands out for free handouts in the aftermath of Katrina. I surmise that this is the situation in all shtf situations. Free water, MREs, personal hygiene supplies, money, rent fees, etc., etc. Just because you saved and prepped and planned for just such contingencies does not mean you reject the generosity of others, especially when there are no strings attached and your outlook is dire and there is no assurance that conditions will improve anytime soon. I have a feeling there will be some who will thumb me down, but, this is the reality. In a shtf situation you have to constantly be thinking about “REOp” and keep your options viable and open. Another moral dilemma.

            • good one BI, yer always right on, but never more than what you said right there!!!

          • That was a movie, a really stupid one at that. You may be quick one day and slow the next. When you are dead it is forever and there can be any number of reasons as to why. I would suggest talking to those who saw urban combat in Iraq or Afghanistan as to what can go wrong even with air support.

        • As is even evident here with the thumbsdowners and name-callers, many will deny what is real as a completely ineffectual way of dealing with difficult times and inconvenient facts.

          Psychological denial is an important and deadly enemy of common sense and survival.

          • JQP, this past Sunday, I gave a sermon on ostriches burying their heads in the sand as many do, in order to avoid dealing with the truth. Denial is a disease, with tragic results.

            • I thought it was a river in Egypt.

              • SH, Very funny!

            • “Denial is a disease, with tragic results.”

              I’d call that a very profound statement. Denial about the truth behind 9-11 and a stubborn refusal to examine the facts and to engage one’s critical thinking skills – cost me a few long time friends. The frustration of sitting these morons down and trying to show them the facts that PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF ANY DOUBT that the official pile of manure we were fed was nothing but baldfaced lies – and to have these idiots refuse to admit they were suckered by a criminal hijacked government – served to turn my deep and well entrenched respect and affection for these people into a blistering hot hatred and contempt for their stupidity and gullibility.

              To this day, I cannot bring myself to tolerate being around people who are this stupid and this hard headed.

              Morons of this sort will get you and your loved ones killed in any SHTF / collapse situation – and its best to shun them like the plague.

              • Tucker, true–I feel the same about this.
                Also, if you didn’t provide for your family BERORE TSHTF, why would I want you around me after??
                You’ve already proven you lack thinking skills.

              • The problem, Tucker, is there are 2 types of people: those who watch TV all day and those who are glued to the Internet. The people who watch TV are in a completely different world than those of us who are AWARE of how bad things are from researching stuff on the Internet.

                When you try to get them to see your world view (which is the anti-thesis to the world view presented by TV), they go bezeerk! We are awake; they are asleep and they resent being woken up!

                • Either you’ve taken the red pill or you haven’t… just that simple.

              • Tucker, Sounds like you’ve been doing your homework.

                I have exactly the same problems except switch out “911” with “Sandy Hook”. Its my hot button issue.

                Some people have their head so far up their ass that they will never be able to extract and live in a world where you have to deal with factual information. I still marvel at this: why can I see right through the lies the system tells me yet other people just accept it. Its not that I don’t want to accept it. On the contrary, I desperately do but it appears I refuse to allow myself to lie to myself.

                Do you see yourself the same way?

                • How can They ever find that elusive Forest they heard of, when everywheres they go they keep smacking their faces into…TREE’S!….If not for those confounded Tree’s blocking their view…They’d be able to quickly find that damn Forest everybody told them of!

          • BOMBSHELL RUNWAY MODEL WAS BORN A BOY!!! ON CNN– really weird!!

        • Is the one thing porn?

        • Sorry but anyone that says they had no warning in YUGO was kidding themselves. Just after TITO died I told a Slav. I knew he was going to wish Tito was back, he said he’d like to hit me for saying such a thing. ( We were in Cal.) I just told him to watch. Well I was correct and I’m not that smart. that was an easy prediction The US State Dept was told the country would fall into shambles. This was no surprise, Nobody here should even consider being this far behind the reality.

          • PARANOID:
            HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
            Looks like I’m in good company with most of you all being in that 60 plus years young group!;-) The new 40’s right?????
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • Thank you, I got this old by not dying the only way I know.

          • The citizens of a particular nation are often the LAST to hear about it when that boulder starts rolling down the hill.

            Most official news outlets are just propaganda machines. This all kicked off before the exponential rise of alternative news sites and social media.

            To stay safe in the West monitor Al jazera, Russia Today and the alt news sites such as those provided in the links column on this site. If you use social media tune into more than the kardashian channel. Monitor the movements of the chief execs of your local big corporates – if several suddenly decide to “retire” then it’s time to step up your game. Monitor the accident and heart attack rates of your state’s big wigs. By the time dissidents and intellectuals start disappearing you’ve left it too late.

            On a very serious note, if the dollar collapses the Chinese and Indians will know about it before Americans do.

            Selco was just an average young man, going about his business when all this kicked off. Post WW2 propaganda had led the man in the street to believe that the rest of Europe would not permit another Balkan meltdown. This was believable as the last conflict was still within living memory of the old uns. He’s someone who won’t be caught with his pants down a second time. My experience from meeting individuals from all over the world when I lived in Londistan is that this is a common sentiment.

            • Selco says it is starting up again where he is, go check it out….

            • Yes indeed lonelonmum… and the US media corporations are owned and operated by….. [deniers should start their denial here]…. the children of the Father of Lies and Murder. John 8:44

              • Yah hadda stick that in here, dint’ja. Idiot.

                • Can you dispute the facts, Old Coach?

                  Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

                  • You would not know a fact if it walked up and kicked you in the balls. Just a stupid loser Jew hater.

                  • @ John W.

                    I hate nobody over things they cannot choose or control, so I hate nobody because of their skin color or place of birth.

                    I DO hate evil behavior and evil beliefs that are a matter of choice and free will, so I DO hate genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, rape, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds.

                    What about you, big mouth? Do you LOVE genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds? It seems so.

                    See you at the Judgment Seat.

                  • How can you dispute facts when you don’t have any?

                  • @ Old Coach

                    This is a bit dated, but start here:

                    “Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

                    Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

                    Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

                    Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

                    Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

                    Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

                    Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

                    Those seven JEWISH men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records….”

                    There are also the JEWISH MEDIA marchers (Yiddish slang for “big shots”) named in the Joel Stein article that Tucker linked.

                    Your turn.

                  • Darn spell checker made a typo. Should be: macher for “big shot”

              • Moshe Publicstein: The self-loathing Jew is at it again, trying to distance himself from some of his roots.

                • Say what you want, if there’s a shitstorm, Jews seem to be near.

                • Can you dispute the facts, Anon7?

                  Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

                  The rabbis’ tricks and ritual name-calling are losing their mojo.

                  Facts trump tricks.

                  • Moshe Publikstein: Yes, when your so-called facts are manufactured by people who are more insane than you, if that’s possible, then yes, I have a problem with your “FACTS”. By the way, my DNA test came back and said 100% British Isles and northern Europe (Germany and Scandinavia). Not a drop of southern European or semitic blood. How about you, you self-loathing Jew! Or are you just an Arab? I know, your both so that’s why you’re so conflicted!!

                  • Risibly weak and non-responsive, Anon7.

                    Interesting that you would be so wrapped up in ethnicity that you would be tested (if in fact you really were). That kind of racial obsession is found most typically in adherents to Master Race creeds.

                    I haven’t been tested since I have no racial obsession. I know there is no racial backdoor to Heaven and no racial chute to hell. As a cradle Catholic born of cradle Catholics, I care about baptism, belief, and behavior—the same matters of free will that Jesus Christ said that matter.

              • John. All jews are not saved, Just like some here. You can’t put all jews in the same box, What I do know is the day a nation turns on the jewish state .My lord will put his hand down.And ANYONE not standing with her is doomed.From where Im setting . This is the problem . Where the people have GOD, there land is milk/honey. Where is not HELL/ FEAR / war/ Where were we a few years back. What changed? Take all crosses down // cant pray// and wonder who that JESUS dude is. This is what the people of this land had done. And they don’t want any kind of TRUTH . laws are being overrun and newone’s put in place . Sick The Bible says this and it tell the people won’t see.

                • Moshe A. (Abraham) Publicstein: You’re problem is that you can’t process complex issues, so you over simplify them so that your weak little mind can understand them. Just because someone’s name is Jewish doesn’t mean that they are practicing Jews or even 100% Jewish. Like most folks here in America there’s so much mixing that no one is 100% anything. And just because someone who runs a large corporation has a Jewish name certainly doesn’t mean that he has total control of that organization. He has a board of directors and stockholders to answer to as well as the public, most of which are NOT Jewish. Then there are those that also work at these companies, again, most of who are not Jewish. So by the standards of that paranoid mind of yours, then each of these Jewish CEOs is some sort of Svengali, or that the all the non-Jews associated with them are just part of a vast conspiracy. I can hardly wait to see which one you choose, perhaps a mix of both. But hey, feel free to make up whatever delusion you like. Since I’ve just destroyed your little fantasy with logic, you’ll no doubt rant in some sort of denial and twist things around so that they are properly oriented to steady that diseased little brain of yours. Your mental contortions are always entertaining and I’d be interested in seeing how you’ll bend this all around. You must be a big fan of that other anti-Semitic psychotic, Fred Phelps, of the Westboro Baptist Church and of the Skin Heads.

                  • Nice try at hand waving and illogic, Anon7berg … except that THEY boast about THEIR control (see, for one of many examples, Tucker’s link posted above) AND the content of the media is completely consistent with Judaic hatred of Christ, His Church, His Commandments, and His people.

                    We know those CEOs not just by their names, but also by their anti-Christ fruits.

                • If you ever find a post of mine using the phrase “all Jews,” please let me know.

            • Any bets on whether tht UK or Sweden is Islamified first?

              • shi thread: The UK yes since they’re too weak (morally-politically)to resist but the Scandinavian countries have been rethinking their immigration policies and are cutting back, so maybe they’ll save themselves. So my money is on the UK to be the next Islamic country in Europe.

              • Given that the Scots are getting their long awaited for vote for independence soon, I’m not sure the United Kingdom of my birth will last long enough to become Islamified!

                If England does, I’m in a Celtic badland where the locals assimilated the Moors during the time of Elizabeth 1st. “Furrin” Muslims won’t be any more welcome than loony evangelical Christians, PC liberals or anyone else who might suggest that the shops on the High Street remain open after lunch on a Saturday lol! The UK is more than just Londistan, praise God.

                Historically Spain hasn’t been Christian very long and like the Balkans, the cracks are showing.

                • I think what you meant is that Spain as we know it today is a lot like Great Britain. Catalonia and the Basque country could be Scotland and Wales. It has always had cracks. Just papered over by force.

                  True that Spain was over-run by Muslims, but the last battles to get rid of them were in what, the 1200s? It has been a Christian nation for 800 years now. OK, Andalusia never got over being Muslim. Andalusian Christians were as rapacious as Muslims, having forgotten their Christian tradition of charity over several hundred years of occupation.

                  • Since you mention Spain, Old Coach, in Michael Hoffman’s latest newsletter there is an excellent review of the alliance between the Moors and you know who in Spain AGAINST the Christians. That said, the main focus of the article is an exposé of their deception to conceal their virulent hatred of Jesus Christ and His People. As usual, they are damned by their own admissions.

                    LATEST NEWSLETTER
                    Revisionist History Newsletter no. 70:
                    The Rabbinic Curse on Christians

                    Denied for centuries, this bigoted curse from the misnamed “Amidah blessings” is documented by Michael Hoffman using the forensic methods of exhaustive research and detailed documentation which are a hallmark of his revisionist pursuit of truth wherever it may lead. Revisionist History newsletter no. 70 explores Talmudism’s hateful, ritual curse on Christians, which has echoed perpetually down the corridors of time since at least the days of Rabbi Gamliel, and continues in our time. Citing the Babylonian Talmud, cognate sacred rabbinic texts and the heretofore clandestine statements of the rabbis themselves, Hoffman offers incontrovertible evidence of the eternal hostility which Talmudism harbors for western civilization, which it ritually curses as malkhut zadon (the “empire of insolence”). Also included in this issue is a survey of the secret and ancient alliance between Judaism and Islam. The American Right imagines that Judaism is united to the West culturally and has good will toward the U.S. in particular. The truth of the matter is very different, as revisionist historian Hoffman demonstrates with his usual exactitude. Also in this issue: Black Journalist Exposes Anti-White Hollywood Movie “12 Years a Slave.”


                  • P.S. You were only off by nearly 3 centuries, Old Coach. [laughing]

                    The Moors and their Jewish allies were finally driven from Granada in 1492 A.D., the same year that you know who were expelled from Spain, their Moorish alliance and their ritual murders of the Holy Child of LaGuardia and another at Saragosa.

                    From the indictment of one of the murderers:

                    “This Juce Franco personally took part, together with other Jews and with [Marranos], in the crucifixion –at night and in a secret cave– of an innocent Christian boy. They stretched out his arms and legs on two boards arranged in the form of a Cross. Then they flogged him, spat on him, beat him, tore out the pieces of his flesh, and put a crown of thorns on his head. This Juce Franco, with his own hands seized the bleeding boy by the arm, cut open his side with a knife, and took out his heart. Then he beat him and tore his flesh in memory and vituperation of the Sacred Passion of Jesus Christ our Redeemer, uttering curses and insults on the Person of Christ as though He were actually on the Cross. …And after the child had been tortured and crucified by this Juce Franco and the others, they killed him, took him down from the Cross, and took him away and secretly buried him that same night where no one could find him. Some days later this Jew, Juce Franco, and all his other accomplices in this crime, met together secretly in the same cave, where they performed certain conjuring and experiments in witchcraft with the heart of the dead boy and a consecrated Communion wafer. They performed these conjurings with the perverted and diabolical intention of making the Inquisitors against heretical depravity together with all other Christians go mad and die of madness, and of subverting, and destroying and killing the Holy Faith of Jesus.”

                    Longhurst, John Edward. “The Ritual Murder of La Guardia,” The Age of Torquemada. The Library of Iberian Resources Online, XI: 149-152.

                    The resource is online.

                  • See also:

                    Walsh, William Thomas. The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain (Rockford IL: Tan Books, 1987) Chapter 25, “The Crucifixion of the Holy Child of La Guardia Hastens Isabel’s Decision to Expel All the Jews from Spain – a Cause Célèbre,” 342-372

        • “USDA Report Foresees Collapse of Agriculture” and “Industrial Agriculture Losing Ground Fast”.

          Also, new book– “Tribulation”

        • Vice Special– Apocalypse, Man– part4 (Youtube)

        • Mac, Selco, Eppe, and All,

          There has been a cival war going on in Burma for over sixty years. Even as we speak people are being killed, tortured, women raped, and villagers forced to abandon their homes and fields as shtf for real. Please check out this website: They are the real deal!

          • ChEck out for pictures and firsthand reports of shtf in Burma. The Kachins of ‘Merrill’s Marauders and Never So Few” fame are getting pounded really bad by the Burma Army. Gen. Chenault who led the ‘Flying Tigers’ was from Louisiana and had a base in Burma before being forced to move by the invading Japanese Emperial Army. General Stillwell and his forces were provided invaluable assistance during the push to recapture Burma from the Japanese and establish a land route to supply the Chinese from Allied bases in India.

            • That is so sad and shocking! The website is an eyeopener. Thank you for sharing it!

        • Learn to assess, adapt and react. Know when to attack and especially when to retreat (which is most of the time) in survival situations. Learn to disengage your conscience as one person told me, “fair” is just a carnival in survival circumstances. That is how you survive! One of my wilderness survival instructors (in my youth) used to tell me “if you fail you die, if you succeed you get to survive today but, it only gives you more chances to fail tomorrow”. So you can never let your guard down ever in survival situations.

      2. Exciting times..

        I’d rather be bored personally.

        Safe weekend everyone.

        • I hear ya!

      3. Ironic that there is trouble is Bosnia again.

        • Not it is not, The US (Billjob Clinton) stepped in and didn’t let the people fighting finish it. The Serbs had them on the ropes and would have won and now would be ruling in New Serbia, if WE wouldn’t have interfered. All interference in a civil war does is create an uneasy truce. Old hatreds never die.

      4. You must have faith in God and yourself!

        • BJM:

        • BJ M:
          Don’t forget the people in your group.
          without the faith in your GOD and your family and the people you want around you. You will not survive it alone.

        • I’ll take God first.

      5. Selco will tell you, stay out of cities.

        • Cities breed normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance. Those two things are like a squelch for your common sense survival insticts. Nature keeps raising the volume but you can’t hear anything. Then, once the squelch pops open, out comes a huge mount of sound and everybody panics.

          Cities breed “there is safety in numbers”. We’ve been told it all our lives, but, the numbers in the cities cannot be trusted. I wish I was farther from the cities, but, I’m reasonably well protected. Cities are concentrated resource drains and the flow comes from outside. The NB and CD keep the flow going but when they break down, the flow stops. The food stops. The gas stops. The electricity tops. Then, the civility stops and all hell breaks loose. 3 days or 3 months, it doesn’t matter. Have a place you can retreat to nomatter what.

      6. Yep, good old common fucking sense, that’s the most crucial thing you need to ensure survival for you and yours… I guess that means that there’s gonna be one hell of a die-off because there ain’t many cocksuckers left here or anywhere else with even a lick of fuckin sense in their heads….

        • Katrina is a glaring example, the storm churned off shore for a week and still the idiots didn’t buy any water and was crying b/c Big Brother wasn’t coming with the Calvary fast enough. Instead, big bro seen the whole thing as a opportunity for target practice.

          • .O2, I was there, right in the middle of it. Most of us thought that the disruption would last for only a couple of days and life would resume like it was before. I watched and took pictures as the storm sideswiped the city. The next evening, we had a most beautiful sunset. Yes, there was some water left behind as a result of the storm and there was not electricity or running water, and for the most part, the city had been evacuated, but it was not until the night after the storm hit that we realized something had happened to damage the levies and water was pouring in and rising more than an inch an hour. It caught all of us off guard! For goodness sakes, we still had patients in the hospitals and in the ICUs.

            Hindsight is 20/20. Stored food and water would have done most people no good. People needed to evacuate. We have close to 2 million people in the greater New Orelans area including the Northshore and Westbank. It was a miracle that more people did not die. Our people are familiar with hurricanes and have lived with hurricanes and I must admit that some of us did feel like veterans of such drills, they say “familiarity breeds contempt”. Well, the unexpected and unplanned happened. My family evacuated with 2-3 days of clothes and supplies but didn’t get back home until 4 months later. Like Selco said, “A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.”

            Having endured the long slow evacuation traffic out of New Orleans the year before(there are few roads coming in and leaving New Orleans), I called my wife from work to stop doing what she was doing (she was buying school uniforms) and go home immediately and pack up and evacuate immediately. Within two hours she was on the road and was able to avoid the traffic jams and slow traffic. They made it to their BOL and I stayed behind. Folks, when the time comes, there may not be that much time to get your stuff and family together and evacuate in an orderly fashion. You will need to think and act quickly and adjust your plans as the conditions change and the situation demands.

            We certainly got our share of criticism and perhaps we deserved it, but, no one anticipated or could anticipate what finally happened. Many survived thanks to American ingenuity, tenacity, and the generosity of our neighbors, friends and family and the American people and the American government. Once the extent of the damage was realized help was organized in an orderly fashion and extended to all who needed help. We will always live with harrowing stories and there is no doubt that atleast for this generation the experience changed our lives and our way of thinking. We continue to live surrounded by water and below sea-level, but hell, this is our home, and we are proud of it. You all come and visit us and “Let the good times roll” once again!

            • WOW! Imagine it…a sub-sea level city getting inundated with water. Would have never thought such a thing could happen.
              What idiots would think of building a population center there? Oh, my bad…it was the French.

              omelet du fromage, omelet du fromage.

              • I read that when LA was seeking statehood, the capital was placed in Baton Ruge instead of New Orleans because of the obvious danger of flooding.

              • WNCMB: Actually I consider myself a mountainboy and fell in love with the mountains in Eastern TN and Northwestern NC. I have many happy memories of times hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, fall-sliding, rafting, tubing, skiing, and swimming in that area. You are lucky to be living there and Lord willing, I would love to get back there.

                People live in many places in this world of ours for various and multitude of reasons. As can be seen from all the natural and manmade calamities that have befallen us during the past 10-15 years, I have come to the conclusion that there really are not that many places on this earth that are completely safe. Most places are vulnerable to one or the other of the following, including: Droughts, desertification, Earthquakes, Tsunamies, Flooding, Hurricanes, Tornados, Storms, Blizzards, Asteroids, Fires, Valcanoes, Wars, wild animals, poisonous plants, animals, critters,and geological anomalies/radiation/gas, Landslides, Diseases, Epidemics, Pandemics, Pestilences, to name a few.

                In other words there are very few ideal locations left in this world. With the recent cold snap, many of us living in the south wonder how in the world people can stand living up north! The wonderful thing is that humans adapt and find ways to carve out a niche to live and raise families even in some of the most harsh physical conditions.

                Lousiana is truly blessed with some wonderful natural resources, climate, and food sources. The Acadians who settled down here were a hardy bunch but they discovered a sanctuary by learning to understand and adapt to the conditions and available resources down here. Personally, I would call this area the South-central Redoubt. It is not called a “Sportsman’s Paradise” for nothing. The area is strategically located and with a little planning and forethought life can be quite secure and comfortable. We do need to respect mother-nature and build and live accordingly.

                Interestingly, the ‘idiotic French’ built their city on relatively ‘high-ground’ and during Katrina the ‘sinful’ French Quarters and Bourbon Street were one of the few places not flooded! Isn’t that ironic?

                Thanks for your comments! Come visit us sometime. But, I must admit that I do miss them thar hills you live in Mountain Boy!

                • laeagle, that’s right! I was thinking of moving down south around the area you mentioned– mountains of NC.. but I heard about all the poisonous snakes… and of course, the futher south you go, the more poisonous spiders, all sorts of poisonous insects, snakes, whatnot… anyhow, not sure if I will move down there or not. Mountains are beautiful but I prefer northern climate and less bugs!

                • laeagle, been contemplating on heading down to Maggie’s Valley come March when we ease on into eastern TN to see “Maw and Pap”. I hear tell its a nice place to relax.

                • laeagle, see there lies the problem, you said those who settled there were a hardy bunch. people are no longer anything of the sort.

          • Howdy .02. The same idiots in Katrina had no problem looting stores and taking all kinds of things. I can still remember the videos of them taking big-screen TVs through the flood waters although the power was out at the time. I still laugh at their stupidity. all at the same time they were crying, “Where’s the government?”

            • BH, desperate people do desperate things, in desperate conditions. Looting and pillaging after a crisis or catastrophe is not so uncommon. Some may even think of it as scavanging. The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation. When there is no law, the lawless feel free. They feel free to do what ever they want. Of course, not without risks. I wonder, how many of us would pick up guns, food, and ammunition that didn’t belong to us in such a situation. Definitely a question for Selco, he will know.

              • The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation.

                I have to call bullshit on this one. If they were maybe looting pampers, baby formula and water that is one thing, but taking material possessions for “later” when the power is back on is pure ass thievery and the bastards should be shot.

                • If it gets really bad, no chance for recovery, people will kill one another for what we throw away today.

                • Eisen; your idea of prepping will get you killed.

                • O2, You are welcome to take the first shot!

                  • Your posts are saying a lot about your character laeagle

                  • Keyboard commando. So full of shit, you squish when you walk.

                • E, in situations like this, people tend to grab whatever is there, whatever is left. Perhaps the flat screen can be used as a bartering item for something really essential to your survival. Your list of prepping supplies may make the difference between life and death. During Katrina, there were incidences where folks went out with what they called a Mississippi credit card (hose) and gas tank to siphon gas out of the abandoned cars to run the small generators. Many tools have to be improvised in dire situations like the aftermath of Katrina. Thanks for pointing this out!

                • .02, I agree, however, why would you shoot someone for stealing a (at that point) worthless TV?

                  You would not. You’d save your ammo to take care of those that would try to steal your food.

                  Let the morons have their TVs. They’ll starve while they wait for the power to come back on. You won’t have to shoot them because those types always eliminate themselves first. The only reason they are around today is because the giverment keeps them alive by feeding and caring for form.

                  • Exactly. If they had a lick of fucking sense in their heads, they wouldn’t be in that position in the first place. Idiots steal tv’s, and even if it’s wrong, it’s not my job to stop it. My job is to ensure survival for my family. The tv looters can go about their merry way until they present a direct threat, at which point they have to be addressed.

                  • If you have the ammo, you should have; shooting the guy stealing the TV is a good idea. if you can get away with it. In a SHTF condition he’s going to have to be removed from the Gene pool, before he starts getting to be a problem, and he will get worse, not better.

                • In the longterm Cross is right. Having tools to be able to gain access to locked areas the have been abandoned will be critical.

              • Looting food to feed your family is one thing, stealing TV’s is quite another. At least one food store gave it all away. Humans are humans, animals are animals. Wild animals get shot. two legs or four.

                • paranoid

                  i agree ,if your taking TV’s or basket balls or vacuum cleaners your a pc. of shit ,there aint anyway to spin it ,who the fuck is going to take a TV to barter ,hell they probly never heard the word ,probly thought you were talking about barter’s and james wine coolers,they were just plain simple fuckin scum ,opertunist, they’d just as soon took the TV if it was in your living room ,the only thing people like that understand is lead poisan

                  • The electric motor inside the vacuum could be repurposed quite easily.

                • If your house (and TV) was destroyed in a city-wide disaster, and you knew it could be weeks or months before you could afford to replace them (even with insurance) then that unguarded flatscreen will look awfully tempting.

                  Although I suppose you and your family can sit on overturned buckets, singing Stars and Stripes Forever for a couple of weeks, secure in the knowledge that your honor is unblemished.

                  I’m only saying not every looter is an idiot loser who’s trying to profit from misery.

                  • Its easy to babble about “honor”, but in a real crisis, everybody’s value system becomes “fluid” and “evolves”.

                  • @shi thead
                    Very true, I find it humorous that these people on here state we will keep our wits with FAITH, GOD, AND MORALS. When it all goes down all that other crap goes out too. It truly is going to be every person for themselves, even in family or group situations.

                  • don’t have a tv now – why would I want one after a disaster?

                    Once we get home and shut my front door, my home is my child’s sanctuary from all the filth outside.

                    Wanna give the next generation a chance?

                    Get them out of state-run schools and get rid of the TV. Do not allow them to have anything other than the most basic brick style mobile phones in case of emergency on trips away. (Nobody is gonna kill your teen for a Nokia 3210 – the same cannot be said of an iphone!).

                    If my kid wants to watch TV? I’ll get the parts from the tip and let him sit there and build one for himself. In years gone by, most little boys built their own radio at some point.

                  • OK ,stephan ,shi ,ordinary joe

                    what you are saying is that a crisis gives you an excuse to become an animal ,and your saying that if it suits you then you’ll come and take whats mine ,after all anything your stealing belongs to some one else ,and yes my FAITH ,GOD, and MORALS will still be in place in a shtf ,but why am i telling you ,your obiously making a slight on christians, i cant imagine how the hell anyone could be thinking about whoa is me i dont have a big screen TV in this crisis ,like i said before ,a theif is a theif is a theif ,take somthing of mine and i promise you wont be around to enjoy it

                  • A TV IS NOT A SURVIVAL ISSUE! Mostly it’s anti survival. You get shot stealing bread for your kids that’s bad. You get shot stealing a TV that’s Good.

                • If your chances of survival are down to the lowest level possible, who gives a fuch about “laws” of the land! Geezh! Give me a break! They were in SHTF!


                  • has everyone lost there fucking mind on this site ,really its ok to take from the buss ,im a buss work my ass of for the little money i make ,a freind of mine has a little store he aint making a killing ,i have several freinds that are self employed ,work there ass off just to stay afloat,you people put me in mind of a drunk that runs his mouth and says shit when he’s drunk that he wouldnt other wise say ,the fact is he’s saying what he really thinks ,i hope when you go to take your big screens and dildo’s and fake chrismas tree’s ,that you get just what you deserve ,and then some

          • I think a lot of people don’t realize they are in a crisis until it is too late. They fail to see the gravity of the situation.
            I am an insurance adjuster and I did Katrina claims. In Chalmette LA just outside of New Orleans I adjusted several houses in a two street neighborhood. All nice houses. About every other house was a 2 story house. There were 48 dead people out of about 100 houses. Basically everybody that lived in a single story house died, but the ones in a 2 story house lived. The storm surge went from zero to 10 feet in less than 5 minutes.

            The people did not realize that they could die. The were totally caught off guard and could not even flee to their neighbors house for protection.

            Before you can respond to a crisis you have to realize there is a crisis approaching or in progress. Most people will never see it coming.

            • I have gone to some disaster planning meetings where there were accounts from the medical staff at the hospitals in New Orleans. The hospitals didn’t anticipate the flooding but they did have some disaster planning prior to the event. One nurse reported that having a security team was very valuable because it kept the looters out of the hospital.

              Another thing that struck me- many of the people who died were over sixty. They had been through previous hurricanes in their homes and they were confident they could survive. In some cases, they wanted to stay to protect their homes from looters.

              One sad image was a woman who found her elderly father dead in his attic, clutching a baseball bat and a Bible. She thinks he died from the extreme heat after the flooding because he had a heart condition. He had refused to evacuate so he could protect his home. I think this might be an important lesson for survival.

              • Merree, There was no rain or cloud cover the day after Katrina passed through and it was miserably hot. I could see how the old man died of heatstroke and dehydration. It is understandable that one would want to protect their home and property and you use whatever you have to do so, even a baseball bat if it comes to that.

                Most of us were thinking we had been spared a direct hit the day of Katrina since the storm pivotted to the east just south of us. The shock came two days later when we were getting inundated with flood waters. The situation in Chalmette and the lower ninth ward was dire once the hurricane hit.

                Like Selco says, “Those who can switch fast and let their ideas of normal life go increase their chances of survival a lot.”, we have to be willing to adapt to new situations and circumstances and even abandon property and possessions if the situation becomes untenable or life threatening.

              • And to this day, the residents of New Orleans struggle to rebuild their city below sea level.

                Levee system=protecting your city from floods with literally a pile of dirt. What could go wrong?

                Scary when you think of the collective centuries of “higher education” the designers possess. If these are the best and brightest, USA is doomed.

                • No only that, Si Thead, a pile of dirt “build by government employees”.

                  Government is the Anti-Midas. Remember the story of King Midas? Every thing touched turned to gold. Well, everything the government touches turns to complete and utter DUNG. Dangerous crap, that is.

            • Hard to see it coming when EVERY MSM TV News and the weather chanel Tv is broadcasting 24/7 for one or Two weeks in advance of the worst ever hurricane aproaching YOUR town eh!

              Boy there sure seems to be alot of liberal types here makeing all types of excuses for african monkys who Loot at every chance, crises or not!

              I learned from 43 yrs life in Detroit, ground Zero for ruthless jungle minded african rioters and looters.

              That whenever blacks riot or loot and Burn down their neighboorhoods it is due to their mindset that by doing such the blacks are sticking it To the Man!

              To the White man!…Its all about “We gonna show dem whiteys Now aint we!”.

              Vast differences exist based on race and related issues.

              Sorry to burst any bubble fantasy’s but we are NOT all the same except for “color”…Yeah we are all the same when its about various human rights etc…But…Thats…where it Ends for equalities.

              Compare ANY BRN (black run nation) like Hati or africa to any whitey run nation and nobody can dispute a vast difference.

              Makeing so many excuses for every wrong action done by blacks just enables them to never change for the better.

              Nobody has had more opertunities the past 50 yrs than blacks has had. After 40+ yrs of liberals attempting to Boost Up blacks to be as intelligent etc as whiteys are, and Failing in every area…Do libs finally Admit to failures?…NO!…Libs instead adopt a New tactic!

              NEW Lib Tactic= Since negroes as a whole cannot be equalized UP with whiteys…Lets just reverse our lib plans and take whites Down. Very Far down untill blacks & whites are equally down and dumb.

              Newsflash! NOTHING in entire universe was ever created “Equal”…Even every snow flake is “different”…NO animals or birds are equal.

              And NO two humans are equal in ways libs try to equalize everything.

              After 50 yrs of black run major cities, and the fuckin huge Mess that caused…How in the world can anybody still make excuses for blacks wrong behaviours?

              And if blacks cannot Learn civility and how to act like white folks after several Hundred years of life in white nations?…..Maybe abe lincolns orig plans to send em all Back to africa is what Libs need attempt Next eh…

              If theres simply zero differences and nothing wrong with blacks generally?…Why has africa and hati etc not yet been made equal to white western nations in general?

              I just do Not understand why it so bothers some folks to admit that some races Are inferior to other races in most general ways etc…

              Yes there are exceptions as there always are…But That wont change reality that what I stated is correct like it or not…I wonder How many lib types who keep makeing excuses for blacks regardless what wrongs blacks does, has ever said “gee I sure wish I could switch to be a black instead of a white man or women?”

              NONE I’d wager!…Why Is that?

              • Well said.

                Worked with the ghetto mindset for 12 years and 3 months at ‘de red cross.’ I felt like I was back in the early 60’s. The poor, oppressed, downtrodden blacks I worked with had a chip on their shoulders and made it rough for the ‘whities.’ Of course, all it showed was their – ‘ Ignorance, Stupidity, Reverse Racism, Self-Centerness, and childishness.’ Management, who were primarily black, ignored it, encouraged it, or looked the other way.

                I remember a white donor being totally ignored by the all black staff, (except for me, as I was the whitey)
                The blacks all sat around the black supervisor table laughing and screaming, and talking their ‘ebonics.’
                The guy was an older man but sat and finished his canteen refreshments.

                When Mikey Jackson the pedophile died, you’d have thought Jesus Christ died a 2nd time.

                I threw in the towel and quit, using my 4 yr. college degree, cum laude, in another way. I thought I was helping people, and maybe I helped a few here and there, but the work environment was Hostile and Terribly Mismanaged. Fubar.
                They are always crying for blood and money.
                I can see why. Go to a blood drive and watch the circus.
                Its laughable. They’ll be a-hurting when synthetic blood keeps on being developed. The FDA has a field day
                fining the red cross Millions and Millions of dollars.
                Of course, they have a special slush fund, just throw the millions at the FDA and keep on screwing up.

                To this day, I cannot watch any black that is on the t.v. except the weather channel. I don’t watch that much t.v. anymore, anyways, I am mainly on the computer.

                It is a Whole Different Culture, A Whole Different Mind Set, and A Whole Way of Behavior. It will Never, Ever, Ever Change. Even when they are educated. They still have that residual ‘I hate whitey’ attitude.
                I have seen it, been around it, and saturated in it.

                Its been a joy and refreshing to not be around ‘them.’
                And I never will be again.
                Am I prejudice? You betcha.

                Wheres dat ‘Knock – Out Game?’ Gotta kill me another whitey.

                • The above post to ‘Them Guys.’
                  My last sentence was ‘Sarcasm, Big Time.’
                  In Sports most are Thugs, in Music most are Thugs.
                  J-Z is a Pig.

            • JS NR TG SH Anon, et al, Great discussion, many salient points worth further development and expansion. I am not a liberal trying to defend criminals but as has been pointed out by some and by Selco, your way of thinking has to adapt in a paradigm shift or you will not be able to survive. I do believe our relationship with God is fundamental and our accountability is eternal and our actions cannot be hidden under the cloak of darkness even in a shtf situation.

              For me, the black man or woman is just as much my brother or sister as the white man or woman. There are levels and differences in IQ among all races, and it is quite possible yours are higher than mine but that does not make me less human or of less worth than you. I know a little Black boy from the “hood” who has an IQ that is at the highest level. At age 11 he has been admitted to Rice University and to MIT with full scolarships! Who has enough wisdom to put value or a price tag on a human life? Certainly, skin color cannot and should not ever be used to assign value

          • Actually it was little bro who turned down all offers of help before the storm hit. Assets were in place including a Navy LHD big deck but both the governor and the mayor refused to take any action. Had Bush moved on his own then the racism charge would be thrown around. Remember all the school buses that could have been used to get people out but Nagin did not use them because they were not good enough and instead left them to get flooded out and ruined.

            • I think the mayor of New Orleans had a meltdown and failed to bring in many of the resources that were available. I think he was like many politicians- able to maneuver and manipulate to get into a political position but no real common sense and no ability to deal with something out of the ordinary.

              I had been through some disaster training and they told us about medical and relief pods that are available. Here in Kansas, they supposedly can be delivered anywhere in the state within 24 hours after a disaster, like a major tornado. But the governor has to order the National Guard or the military to send the pods to the location. I know other states have these too and they are also able to send the pods to assist other states. I think my family got tired of me saying, “why is no one sending the disaster assistance pods to New Orleans?” while I watched the news of the disaster. But they only get sent in if the people at the top allow it.

              • Merree,
                I worked at a company called Cox Communications, where Nagin was the head of the cable side there in LA. He was an idiot then too. He had zero common sense, and showed it often. Not being racist, but common sense means a lot in the corporate world, but they promote those to the upper echelon by being a “YES” man whether or not they deserved it, and it showed as being mayor of New Orleans, dammit we should have picked our own cotton….

                • Eppe, I say the only way Nagin got anywhere was affirmative action. As a black male he’s entitled to special treatment under federal law.

                • I agree. A very long time ago, I worked with a black man and he was having an affair with another employee. He turned the company’s petty cash fund over to her for her personal use. The company ignored all of that. Instead he was held up as a great asset and received many awards. When I pointed out a number of very serious criminal behaviors, he was quietly let go. Then he pops up soon after as the mayor of a town in a nearby state.
                  In both cases, he was able to use the race issue to win political favor.

                  On the other hand, I have some other friends who are black and are very upstanding citizens. They work to get ahead on their own merits and they struggle to succeed. I have a lot of respect for their integrity. They are sort of “anti-politicians”.

        • Jonny V, welcome aboard, and you’re right there will be a massive die-off, called ‘the great culling’ by some of us here. Far too many refuse to wake up and get a clue.

          • Thanks BH! Been here for years though….Not as long as DK or Netranger, but since 2007 or so anyway, just don’t post all that often. I figure that everything we post on here is copied and kept by NSA, (they have no right but do it anyway), so the less they get the better……

            • 2009 not 2007……Don’t want to claim any credit where it’s not due…..

              • Jonny V, sorry, I just don’t recall anyof your posts from the past. Only been here since July 2012 myself.

                • No harm no foul BH! It’s been a hell of a ride watching this website go from 90 comments per post topic to 300 comments……

                  There’s old guys on here that know lots of stuff…

                • Herman, that’s up to Mac whether braveheart stays or leaves. That’s not your decision to make so back your stupid ass off.

            • Don’t let fear control you John. FUCK YOU NSA!! see how easy that was?

              • Like a hot ham and swiss, with a bag of chips too! .02, you are one of the bright spots around here………

        • Your obscenities are not welcome. Go away, kid.

          • You go away Anon if you cant handle it. Maybe you should be on Christian Mingle? No censors please.

            • .02, I agree, no censors, and I won’t even say please.

            • .02, What goes around, comes around. You were judging my character but you don’t really know me, do you? There are many things that are done in desperate SHTF situations that may not be acceptable, moral, or expedient. This is the whole point of this article. If there are situations where you are prepared to kill a child, your going to tell me that you are not going to take that big abandoned flat screen TV, or siphon gas from an abandoned car because your character is ‘above reproach’ or your character might get stained? Yet, you are prepared to resort to cannibalism to survive! Something wrong here. Hypocrisy? It sure smells like it! No?

          • Are MY obcenities welcome?

            • Your very existence is an obscenity.

        • I’ve said it before but…

          Have you noticed that COMMON SENSE is not so Common?

        • Jonny V, you mean like the people caught in a hail of gunfire, who will invariably stand up and look, trying to see if they might know the gunman?

          • Yeah them too…….:)

        • JV
          if its called common sense, then why do so few seem to have it? 🙂

        • You tech geeks must work harder on developing that artificial intelligence I keep hearing about. The naturally occurring variety is getting hard to find.

      7. Selco always says it like it is. His points are well taken.

        • No doubt – he’s the real deal.

        • Sober thinking for a deranged reality.

        • I’m reminded of Col. Boyd’s OODA loop that fighter pilots are taught.


          He who does it fastest wins the fight.

          Or stays alive.

          • the old saying of the old timers down here in the everglades was

            “suspect every mann”
            “settle your own quarrels”
            “never steal from an islander”
            “stick by him even if you dont know him”
            “shoot quick when your secrets in danger”
            “cover your kill”

      8. I always appreciate Selco’s articles. I’m also one that hopes we don’t ever get to this point in America, but don’t see how a collapse can be avoided, only delayed.

        As much as some say “Bring it on!”. I’m of the opinion that there will be too much pain/strife/death of good people that I pray for some form of miracle.

        In the meantime we all need to prepare for this to happen and be ready to protect those who we choose to prep for.

        God Bless,

        • Howdy, NP, I’ll always stop the world to read an article written by Selco. He really is the real deal. Everyone would do very, very well to follow his advice. Selco will never steer you wrong.

      9. Always a good article. I read a lot of the stores from this war from people who survived it. It is always good to hear advise from people who really experienced the events first hand.

      10. This is why I’ve never really like the terms “prepper” or “survivalist.” It is more about conditioning yourself to be aware of what is going on around you, and to be able to recognize when your thinking or plans are wrong for the situation, and improvise & adapt quickly. Kind of like our stupid gov’t, continuing down the same incorrect path will get you killed….

        • That’s why I don’t refer to myself or others like me as preppers, we’re warriors plain and simple.

          There’s a BIG difference in the mindset of a warrior and that of the media-hypnotized, cowering sheep.

          Dressing up to play GI Joe, as our local oppressor enforcers like to do on our dime, isn’t going to amount to a hill of ish when the time comes to ‘Knuckle Up”, except for providing us with a lot of slightly used equipment…

          • A lot like the French rifles in WWII, “almost new only dropped once.”

            • Actually, the French Mas 49-56 is a nice rifle, even if ammo is a it hard to find. Not bad to reload, though.

            • Actually, most of them were dropped twice. Once in WWI & Then WWII. And yes, there were a few nice guns. Most were true S***, Their machine guns were terrible and their rifles were so bad the allies found them in piles after the war was over, the Germans didn’t even bother to melt them.

              • Interesting that despite the technological achievements by the Germans in WWII, they still tried to fight that war with bolt action rifles. Semi autos weren’t exactly new to the world.

                • It was on purpose; it cuts down on wasted ammo by much more than half. Actually close to 90% The Germans knew they did not have the capacity to make that much more. As it was they never did run out of ammo.

            • An entire generation of French men was wiped out in WW1. Had the US suffered the same casualties we might not have done so well either. Ever looked at the numbers of killed and wounded from that war? Not to mention the disease casualties. How many wars you fought in clown?

              • Spanish flu took a lot of lives too at that time John W.

                The young and strong were the first to fall victim to that awful pandemic.

              • Until the Viet Nam era, more soldiers were lost to things like disease than enemy action. America’s experience in Iraq highlights how far trauma treatment has come, as long as you have enormous resources to throw at it, which isn’t the norm.

              • Did you ever look at why they lost so many men? Absolute total incompetence.. Thank God Black Jack Pershing told them he would NEVER put an American soldier under the command of any Foreign officer and the President backed him up. Brits were just as bad. There should have been wholesale hangings of the General Staffs.

        • Inability to adapt summarizes the entire book Why Complex Societies Collapse. It’s a great book and probably available through your local libraries inter-library loan.

          • I assume you mean “The Collapse of Complex Societies” by Tainter?

            • Read “erectus walks among us” by Richard D. Fuerle which depicts what will happen when the Western societies cease to exist and the world slowly drifts back to primitive/savage conditions. It will only take a generation to be back in the time of Columbus as to living conditions.

        • agreed MX

          a better phrase would be critical thinker ,or having situational awarness ,but this should be apart of your daily life ,if you aproach a intersetion and have a green light dont just assume you can just breeze right through ,when you go in a restaraunt observe you surroundings ,if your talking to a shadey character that makes you nervous put you hand in your pocket on your gun(unless you live in NY or cali)my dad just called it having common sense

          • “situational awareness” …

            Spot on…this is an ability that can be learned and honed sharp…To the point it becomes second nature…
            thank you DOD… 🙂

      11. Well, Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

        This special amendment is no revolutionary new thought, only common sense.
        The law states:
        (i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
        (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
        (2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
        (3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.

        It is through legislation such as this, which will empower people again and aid in bringing down these tyrants from their pedestals, who are given free rein to murder and pillage without consequence.
        Emphasis is mine.

        • we already have this..its called the 4th amendment.
          they can stop making up any new bullshit “laws” ..its already covered under the supreme law of this land..the Constitution and Bill of rights

          Come thru my door unwelcome and uninvited , you’ll get to meet God and my Gun.. Simultaneously
          I don’t give a shit who they think they are..a fancy out fit, and a badge dont stop a 12 gauge

        • The phrase “reasonably believes” is the one that is going to get you in jail for a long time.

          When the deputy comes up to your car and you start thinking about blue helmets and FEMA camps, you are beyond the intent of the law and are going to be put away for it. A jury is not going to agree those are reasonable beliefs held by a prudent individual.

          The 4th Amendment is the key, and the courts are the defense.

        • Cop Killed During a No-Knock Raid, Texas Jury Refuses to Indict Homeowner –

          In a clear victory against the police state, a grand jury in central Texas refused to press capital murder charges against a homeowner who shot and killed a police officer after a SWAT team unexpectedly burst into his home to execute a no-knock raid.

          • JayJay, I posted a link to that story above.

            • thanks–I figure if anyone needs proof, they can Ixquick it. 😉

              • love the ixquick

          • J J
            I pray for the Officers family. That there pain from their loose will be removed.
            I think No-Knock raids are WRONG!!!

            • Yep, Sgt.

              Unless you’re standing on Manuel Noriega’s doorstep, no-knocks have no place in law enforcement. The idea that it is acceptable to kill one or more people to “preserve evidence of a crime” is ridiculous—especially since they’re usually talking about a little bag of some kind of dope, before it gets flushed down the toilet.

            • Agreed—but this message MUST get to the other Rambo cops out there–we are tired of injustice for injustice for one is injustice for all.
              It is time for all to accept responsibility for protecting their families–it is our job–not Rambos.

            • IMHO the unions need to be squeezed out of law enforcement. The invariably support the miscreant, and make next to impossible for management to maintain a high quality work force. At least that’s what I saw the UAW doing when I was serving my 15 year sentence as a Tier One supplier to GM and Ford.

              • 80% of GM’s suppliers say they’d rather not do business with them.

                • Before I got to Michigan I did contract admin for DoD jobs for two different employers. Then I got roped into working with GM. And I kept saying ever after that I never dreamed I’d look back fondly to the days when I dealt with the Government.

              • In this part of the world, 90% of fired cops get their jobs back in arbitration. Makes the city/county reluctant to fire them in the first place.

            • They even do them for civil matters which is outrageous. These are monetary fine type cases and there is no reason to show up with AR-15 armed Keystone cops. The one in Iowa where they destroyed the homes surveillance cameras was typical not to mention what looks like ten or more bozos in full battle gear to serve a no knock on a non violent minor offender.

          • back in days when a lot of square grouper was being brought in Via the everglades ,the cops were like rabid dogs ,they would bust in the doors on the wrong houses regularly ,some times they would get the right duplex ,but then would bust through the divider door between the two into the next renters apt.

      12. Most young people in America are selfish, lazy, and think Jimmy Johns should deliver sandwiches directly into their mouths. Most young Americans think they can ride the coattails of previous, hardworking generations. In the trades, construction, plumbing, etc, the 20 somethings are not joining b/c it is hard work. They are gona be fvked when the pipes freeze and the garbage disposal backs up because there is going to no one in America that cant fix anything after the boomers die out. Believe me, I work construction and our industry is loaded with gray hair.

        • at least you said “most”
          im 24, been working same job since I was 19. moved up fast, skipped college, no debt.
          i consider myself to have common sense. my buddies laugh when i say they need to stock up food and water in case of job loss, or any shtf event.
          high school teaches us that the government will always have your back. its depressing.

          • Right on C,
            Good to hear, your not alone and things dont change, i used to get the oh you didnt go to college thing, and the oh your a carpenter, ha, now lots of those same people are sucking wind and cant do shit.

            • This carpenter made almost $30.00 an hour, or prevailing wage…let ’em laugh at that. I laughed all the way to the bank.

              • Until some illegal wetback took your job…..

                • No wetback took my job. I suffered a spinal injury.

                  • A buddy of mine who was a framer in Texas told me how most crews are all Mexican. Should an Anglo get on a crew they will drive him off by screwing with him and his stuff. Favorite was dropping things from an upper floor. Most got the hint and quit.

                  • I think I’d have dropped something dirty, greasy and wet off of some scaffolding somewhere…as I said—NO WETBACK TOOK MY JOB.

                • So wetback bashing is Okay? As long as nobody says any truths that portray jews in a negative way right?

                  So….Typical eh

                  • For what it’s worth, most wet-backs just want a job.

                    Most jews just want a servant…and all the control that comes with it.

                  • Last:
                    It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.

                  • That it does Sgt…day of reckoning is coming.

                    I know that you will do the right thing.

                    God Bless you and…

                    “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

                  • Them Guys, I was hypothetically referring to someone who was hypothetically trying to get rid of me at my hypothetical job. No kind words for that guy, and I’d use any means necessary to keep my job, conventional or not, regardless of race issues.

                    Did I mention my married name at one time WAS Martinez? A mexican-indian born in Colorado.

              • Currently we are at $45.00 an hour or we bid the job and figure it at $60. Work for friends at $30 cash.

                • 35 is about our max here in n Michigan. Works for me.

                • When I was contracting for myself, I did the same thing, shootit. When I was last working heavy construction was in the late 90’s, and I was a member of the UBC, so I was union. Seems wages haven’t gone up much since then.

                  • …which any way you slice it, it was better than siting on my ass collecting SSI and food stamps…

                  • If you factor in the “real value” of the dollar our wages must be about 1/2 of what they were in the late 90’s. No unions on my end. Our largest project over the last couple of years was a $450,000 house. We do a lot of remodels, garages, and concrete. I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything.

                  • “I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything”

                    AMEN, shootit!

                  • Did you ever realize that a six pack of beer’s price is directly related to the minimum wadge. Just think back in history and a premium beer’s price = minimum wadge. Holds true today.

          • I hear there are manygood jobs in the trdes left unfilled because of a dearth of interest. Welders and plumbers can make a great living without crushing student debt. Most 20somethings want to bang keys on a keyboard. Their teachers told them this was the future and nobody had to take away the trash.

            • I have seen it first hand s-. head in the oil patch. Long hard grueling hours in the elements, but you can make 100 grand a year but the kids wash out so fast it is pathetic.

              • 02 , They wash out fast in construction too.
                What is gonna happen in a survival environment?
                It scares me , they will crumble like a cookie.

                • The generation that has always had lights on a switch and hot water on demand is going to be shocked. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

                • I build trains for a living. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. You have to be physically fit to handle the steel and swing a 10 lb hammer. I weld and fabricate. We can’t keep high school type kids because they’re scared of cranes, machines, and dirty environments even tho the pay is awesome. Most people that walk in the door at my job complain about working hard and getting dirty even when they can’t come close to making that kind of money any where else.

                  • I know what you mean. I worked on the furnace and then the pouring floor in Keokuk Steel Castings, pouring 3200 degree molten metal out of a 800lb shank. And most, like 8 out of 10 didn’t make it through the first day. Difference being, the pay sucked.

              • 02, The young ones usually start in construction clean up. They don’t like the grunt work, they want to swing hammers. Can’t understand they have to start somewhere and move up. They want everything right here right now. Its how some parents raise them, or they get it from the schools.

              • My brother did fire sprinklers for years and often had helpers go to lunch and not return.

            • I’ve got 2 boys, mid-twenties, relaxed homeschooled in Texas.
              One is a welder, the other is a plumber. Funny how that works!!

              Ya’ll keep preppin’

              (We finally got 1/2″ snow!!)

              • My 34 yo son is a carpenter with 2 daughters and my 28 yo son is still “finding himself”.

                • Tell your 28 year old son to grab his ass with both hands “and there he is”!

            • The garbagemen up here are pulling down $100,000 a year.

              Union job, no layoffs, most lifting is machine-assisted.

              Were I 18 years old, I’d take a serious look at it for a career.

              • most schoolteachers think garbage men should not make so much money. after all, they’re nor ‘professionals’ like teachers.

                • These so-called educators are dickheads. That’s the only thing I see them being “professional” at.

          • Caliber, I take my hat off to you. If you’re already prepping, then you’re ahead of 99% of the people in your age group. You sound like someone who lives in the real world and knows what’s coming. You know how to think for yourself and that is essential for survival in any adverse situation. You’ll make it just fine in any SHTF scenario. You especially did right to avoid college and student loan debt. with the exception of medicine there’s not a degree out there that really means anything anymore. Best wishes.

            • I appreciate that braveheart.

            • Except for your last stupid statement I am amazed I agree with you. As far as the last neither one is an idiot, In addition; Education does not keep people from being stupid, it just gives them more data to be wrong about. If you take the right courses; it can teach you to be a well mannered ass, you should consider them.

              • I’ve thought for a long time that parents could only distinguish between the words “education” and “indoctrination” all those not competing for a Darwin Award would haul their kids out of government run schools.

                I’m terrible at maths, so for fun I’m working through 7th and 8th grade of “Rays Arithmetic” again. (I homeschool so need to be on top of the basics to help my kid). Compared to the maths kids do today at 18 it’s embarrassing to see how low we’ve sunk.

                There are a LOT of grandparents out there old enough to have witnessed the deterioration in standards that should to work teaching the grand kids before it is too late. Retirement is a new concept for mankind and frankly those elders that think they have no purpose but to wallow in leisure while their grandchildren are dumbed down to complete imbecility are leaving no legacy worth anything at all.

                • why keep up on math what are they really gonna count?we have nothing they have it all.teach them to survive.

            • EISEN:
              That BS!!!
              You have no clue of what went on in the 70’s. and it was not the baby boomer that thought everyone had to go to college. I know I was there.
              That idea came from those bright people in Washington in the 60’s.
              Those baby boomers were still in high school or in Nam fighting a war.
              Your ignorance superedes stupidity
              S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S N.REB


              • To everyone here: Everyone here knows I don’t normally get like this, but eisen is a real piece of work for a troll. I got some bad news about something totally unrelated earlier, so I come back online and see this troll’s latest post and I just blew up. No, I don’t really want Eisen to go die, just to go away from our site and never come back. I’ll admit I crossed a line with that one item but I stand by the rest of what I said. How many people out there would agree with me? I’m just sick of this POS trying to stink up our site. Nothing useful or meaningful ever comes out of his stupid mouth.

                • Man, we all need to organize and simply red-thumb him without any reply. His posts will disappear, and he won’t get to jerk off reading our opinions of him.

                • I wouldn’t sweat it if I were you. We’re all only human and we’re all liable to lose our shit once in a while.

                  What matters is you’ve gotten a grip and you’re a big enough man to recognize what happened and own your words and actions.

                • My mother used to tell me, Just Ignore Them. People would say cruel things to me growing up, and I had a hard time with it….that advice is one of the few pieces I took to heart. I’m sorry he keeps egging you on. I would just skip over his posts from now on….it’s not worth the aggravation and high blood pressure, and when people bring out the worst in you, you have to cut them off for your own sanity…there, I hope it helps a little. I love your posts…

            • Education does not equate to common sense dip-shit. Unfortunately you continue to fail to recognize that you demonstrate having no common sense by the comments you make. Don’t bother attempting to insult me as I have much better things to accomplish than respond to your crap.

              MOLON LABE

              • My comment was directed at “E”, in case that was’t clear.

                • Howdy, KP89DC. I understand you were aiming at eisen and you’re right; common sense and ‘book sense’ are 2 totally different animals. Common sense is what helps you get thru life. Book sense will get you killed early.

            • Eisen, put your dunce hat on and go sit back in the corner. you are worthless and will never become more due to ignorance and intolerance. Yuo apparently haven’t learned how to have reasoned and quiet conversation with anybody.

            • In America, we somehow equate ‘educated’ with ‘smart’

            • Eisencrews, you just crossed the line! My Cuz may have a weak mind but he has a strong back he’ll kick your ass for calling him an Idiot. Ain’t that right Cuz!

              • NGIC, for once, I almost thanked you for something, but you killed it when you said I have a weak mind so that killed it. BTW, you can still go f#$% yourself!

            • Sheesh…

            • Eisenkraphead: You have to be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever heard from. The depth of your ignorance is only surpassed by its breadth. You must wake up every morning and have yourself a really big bowl of “Dumbass” for breakfast. The idea for ‘college for the masses’ was the G.I. Bill, maybe you’ve heard of it; it was given to those who served during WWII and then to all G.I.s ever since. But since you’re notion of military service is plopping your fat little ass in your mom’s basement playing “Call To Duty” and other such games, you don’t qualify. Only real men and women get the G.I. Bill, not flabby mall ninjas/wannabes like you. And part of the G.I. Bill was for new homes for these returning veterans, they began making lots of babies to put in these new home, hence the “Baby Boomers” were born. So for you to blame the “Boomers” shows your ignorance of history. But being the ‘world-class’ moron you are, I’m sure that won’t stop you from making still more uninformed pronouncements. You’re like a turd that just won’t flush Eisenpoopy.

              • Still laughing over the “really big bowl of dumbass for breakfast” part.

            • You’ve been brainwashed your whole life that more education is the answer to everything. Sometimes you have to put on your boots and start shoveling.

            • Most boomers were eighteen years old in 1970. Don’t think they decided much of anything, and a hell of a lot of the somewhat older ones were Viet vets who would have kicked you balls into your mouith. Are you really so stupid as to post the garbage you do?

            • E… Sorry buddy, but the boomers did not push everyone to get a degree and take out a loan to do it. The jewish banksters pushed it down everyone’s throat because they knew that was the perfect way to enslave future generations. Boomers, by and large are a can-do generation albeit somewhat naive, like everyone else with regard to the evil being forced upon them. Subsequent generations, including yours, are the sheeple that feed the matrix. Boomers will be the one’s that ultimately lead the fight against the matrix.

          • Caliper,
            I’m proud of you and your life path.
            — Miss Dee Dee

          • CALIBER:
            You are wiser than most people twice your age!;-)
            Keep prepping and don’t let anyone that will not be an asset to you when the SHTF know what you are doing as far as prepping goes.
            Just because someone is called a teacher does not mean they are smart.
            Keep up the good work and you will find like minded people, that will be able to help you through what ever comes your way.
            Remember this:
            TRUST IN YOUR GOD
            NO RETREAT
            NO SURRENDER

          • @ Caliber, When something does happen your laughing buddies will be the first ones to visit you. “Chance Favors the Prepared Mind”

            • or preppered mind?

          • Caliber:
            I’m happy you are here with us Old Farts.
            We need young blood to give the Republic to when we are done.
            I believe you would be a leader on that great day.
            It is honor to correspond with you.

            • lol nothing wrong with “old farts.”… with the line of work im in, im with 5-6 Vietnam vets everyday. They have taught me a lot.

              • I get a kick out of the younguns braying about how much more they know about the internet, etc than us old farts. Us old farts invented the thing.

        • 02: Agree! My husband retired from htg, A/C repair and installed residential and comm., commercial refrigerators, freezers. Father in law(dec) was electrician, bro (dec) a plumber. Many are older in the trades. Agree w/you the slacker loser younger folks are lazy, stupid for the most part and want someone to wipe their runny noses and spoon feed ’em. Auto mech, aircraft mech in my area are mostly older, a few younger ones. Lawn care svc I see older ones mostly. Many younger people can’t even cg. the flush valves in the toilet tank or even flush the water htr once a yr.

          • I thought it was the toilet you were supposed to flush once a year! So that’s why I never have visitors stay long!

        • .02, when we ‘old farts’ are finally gone, these young dickheads will be totally lost.

          • BRAVEHEART :
            We will have people like Caliper and my two sons and there are many more out there that will run the show. Don’t give up hope. There are some good one still out there.
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • I promise you will have us. although 80% of my friends are “college knowledge” idiots, there are a handful of us that are ready. and many more in each city. the young are waking up.
              the constitution is important to us. and we are armed and fit. ready to uphold it.

            • And my two daughters and son. Girls are 36and 33, and both do home improvement (carpentry, painting, landscaping) and son is 24, 6 yr Navy veteran, and does outdoor hardscaping, and all manner of home renovations. Went on 13 mission trips to Mississippi and other places after Katrina to rebuild houses while he was in high school. He’ll never be out of a job…

          • Cuz it’s alright to clump all them blacks and them muslims together, but you should’nt try and cause age discrimination. You know us dickheads, like me and Eisencrews taught a lot of you old farts about surviving and prepping. Now you have crossed the line Cuz.

            • NGIC, neither you nor eisenturd could ever teach me shit from shinola about anything, so f#$% you!

              • Cuz I know me and Crews had a hard time teaching you anything cause you are pretty hard headed, I think you got that off of uncle NuGene’s side of the family, hope you did finally learn the difference between shit and shinola, but I still love you man, and I think Eisencrews loves you to, even though you do call him lots of bad words. Maybe not out loud, but we know what all them funny symbols you use mean. Hope to see you at the next family reunion in North Georgia, our other Cuz Peterson said he might be there.

          • My dad used to say that about grandparents raising grandkids. What happens when the grandparents die? These slackers wouldn’t even raise their own kids, let alone grandkids.

        • .02-

          Yes indeed, pal!

          For 2 years now, I’ve tried to hire/train gen-X aged guys to do what I do…minimum requirement = 1 year trade-school, per basic understanding of AC/DC electricity/fundamentals & ability to read a ladder diagram schematic & be able to grasp..relay logic.

          Starting pay = $12/hr…they work w/ me for 8 months straight(every day)…I cover all hotel/meals $$$..etc, if out of town.

          ..and provide/train on specialized tooling..such as dial indicators/mics/calipers/Proto mfg torque-multiplier heads/DVMs/ammeters/digital pressure gauges/o-scopes/digital RPM tachs/flow meters/solid-state tonnage calibrators/accumulator charging kits & training on manifold control (job/machine) programming etc..etc.

          ..informed all hires that..some jobs are clean(chasing electrons)..some are greasy/oily(hydraulic)..some are ‘gut busting’ dirty(mechanical)..ditto, I would teach them to weld(mig-tig-stick & even oxy-acetylene use).


          Have gone thru 7 thus far..longest to stay..was 5 weeks!
          Promised them $20/hr., if they made it thru a year.

          Also would provide service-van/cell phone & company credit card for necessities(gas/maintenance/hotels/food etc) while on the road..w/ the understanding that if they needed (once on their own, on an unsupervised..non-training job) “technical help” from me, is a phone call away**…

          …& prospect of partnership in business after 5 years, per a non-compete clause & 60-40% profit split..also annual 2-week(80hrs) paid vacation time.

          ..**-(while I’m working/trouble-shooting the really tough stuff, somewhere else).


 nowadays, don’t know what hard work is about..although one guy was really sharp, per the Windows XP based/touch screen controls.

          ..alas, he didn’t like getting dirty!


          My son possesses the I.Q./ability..but wants to be ‘an athletic-trainer’…(WTF???).

          ..we’re a dieing breed .02!!!

          ..I just keep getting grayer & greyer………….

        • No. I’m an old gray haired woman who sits on her butt most of the time, playing on the computer… meanwhile, my daughter (young and pretty) is a workaholic! You wouldn’t believe what her day is like! (Work, med-school, works out at the gym, cooks…!!). You can’t categorize people according to age, color, religion or country. People are just people!

          • And my mother, who was in her 80’s, would chop wood, mow the grass, shovel snow, can food, wash clothes… man, she was a hard worker!

            And my brother sat on his butt…

            • Anon I know what you mean, my mom and Bravehearts mom were twins, when they turned 90 we bought them a chainsaw so they would’nt have to work so hard. That way one of them could cut for a while, while the other loaded the wagon. Ain’t that right Cuz. I think Cuz Braveheart sat on his butt. They was tough too!

      13. very good and practical article. His version of the many tough guy survivalist who know everything and will do this and/or that remind me of many who post here……the keyboard rambos

        • Yea the “taticool” guy running around with all the gear is going to be dead meat fast. Wife has a cousin that was working for us, he was an electrician when we were building the business, and I took him out with the AKs and after shoot them I said “bob, you gota get one of these.” He said “no I dont, I have a .22 and If I want one of those Aks I shoot you in the back of the head and take one.” Ex Vietnam vet.. sold the Aks..

          • Ah! AK-47, when you got to kill every last mother—-er in the room, accept no substitutions!

            • For room clearing I would substitute a 10 round 12 gauge.

      14. Many in America will curl up and die instead of dealing with it.

        A fair amount of family or friends who show up on your doorstep won’t work with you in defense or starting/ramping up self sufficiency. They will insist that things will be back to normal in a few months.

        Mental attitude IS the biggest survival factor.

        What keeps me going is that after the collapse. The government stranglehold on productivity will be removed.

        The New America with modern techniques and technology will be a good place to grow and thrive.

        • “Mental attitude IS the biggest survival factor.”
          I completely agree with you.

        • Speaking of which, my son has a friend he went to school with that joined the military and is quite high up after many years in service and I was talking to him @ sons wedding and he did a stint as a drill instructor. He told me that when the new recruits show up for boot camp that they tell them to call their parents, get their address and then they grab all the phones. He says most of them go into shock and some have been so bad they had to be medically discharged. Over a PHONE! Watch people, go to the mall and watch how many are attached to their phone like it is a life line. If/when the phones go down along with no medication (SSRIs and OxyContin) there really will be a zombie apocalypse.

          • Go to a restaurant and count those talking WITH others at their table…how rude!!

            • Saw a family of four all talking to someone else in a restaurant. Could not believe it.. Out of courtesy I turn mine off.

        • **
          Many in America will curl up and die instead of dealing with it.**

          And then we get their blings??? 🙂

          • Go to the hood with a hammer and collect gold teeth.

            • Needle nosed pliars also work well for gold toof extractions!:)

              • lol toof

            • 🙂

            • .02, Are you showing your character, or are you trying to be funny, or are you giving advice? A flat screen TV would be less disgusting! I definitely would not advise anyone to go prospecting in the ‘hood’, especially if you value your life.

          • I think in an EMP or economic collapse. At least half the population will die. That means plenty of resources to scavenge.

            Banks, as legal entities will no longer exist. So time to move into a better place. No one will be able to prove ownership.

            • A good trick is to pitch a small tent inside an abandoned building to stay warm. A lit candle in a good tent will keep you from freezing.

              • Or burn alcohol soaked cotton balls–10 will burn for 15 minutes.
                Great heat. Save those #10 cans like metal coffee cans.

              • .02 I tried that just for practice, but boy did it ever piss my wife off when I drove those stakes into the hardwood floor in our living room. Guess I did’nt really need stakes since there was no wind in the livingroom, but thats the way Cuz taught me.

                • What? ya did dat all wong cuz, ya gotsta take a chainsaw and cut out da floo and tie da tend dow to da pubmbling..

                  • .02 I shoulda went to SHTFplan and found this out sooner, Cuz never told me about no plummin, we’er still usin the little house out back. But thanks for the info .02

              • .02, A good way to get trapped and killed!

          • JJ:
            It is sad but you are right. there will be a few outside of the prepper that will stand there ground but very few.
            That will be ashame we will lose some brilliant minds that thought nothing would happen.
            It not just a man made disaster it could come from mother nature that makes the SHTF. and they refuse to take even the simplest steps to survive.
            J.J. you can have their bling I’ll share their food water, firearms, ammo a nd meds.!;-)
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • Oh, I have all the food, water, and ammo I can use–I want those rings and watches. 🙂
              You do know I’m kidding.

      15. Common sense!
        Very little of that around any more. You can tell that 99% of the folks here have it, but the Leaches and Zombies in the country don’t. When TSHTF they will be the first to parish from the earth. (maybe the lucky ones) But they will suffer the most.

        Keeping an open mind in times of stress is very hard, If you can’t do it don’t be ashamed, because over 75% of us might not be able to keep an open mind.

        I pray to God that he gives me Wisdom, common sense, and straight in the dark times to come.

        Common sense, and open mind, God given wisdom, and the ability to act when no one else is, just might be the key to survival!

        • So might the instinct to run like hell and dont look back! Lot of good all the preps will do when you have 2 minutes to bail!
          Thats what has been on my mind lately, cause shit happens!

          • Kula:
            That is normal Fight or flight. You will do one or the other.
            Thanks to all my training I don’t have the flight in me any more. I won’t stand up against a Tank with an AR15, I will run to fight another day. As Clint Eastwood said in one of his Dirty Harry movies. “A man has to know his limitations”.

            • KF, SD, Good points. It comes down to training and discipline, to know when to ‘hold it’ and to know when to ‘fold it’.

              • Ill “fold” it fast if it comes to my kids or preps.
                I can find new preps but……..
                People come to take whats mine with force , we leave
                real simple. gunplay and kids dont mix.
                points to ponder.

            • Good thing you’re tough, Sgt.Dale

              • SHI
                I don’t considder myself to be tuff. Just well trained. You learn how to stand you ground. Most people won’t go up against a guy that is 6 Ft. tall, 225 lbs, with a fully loaded 45 on his hip, a can of Pepper spray and an expandable Pr24.. Like I tell evryone that starts to get froggy. I’m like Batman I have all these toys on my belt, and I will use them. But I don’t want to. So please don’t make me. But if you feel froggy go ahead and jump. I just hope your medical insurance is paid up. Most of the time they back down.
                God I hate fighting with people. Good Lord I don’t like hurting people becasue they are being stupid!

            • It’s fight, flight or freeze. Freezing up is what gets people killed.

              If you are wondering what “freeze” looks like just think of a rabbit or deer caught in your headlights.

          • What I’m getting out of this article is three major points.

            1) Don’t fall in love with your established plans. You might have planned several contingencies for everything under the sun, but as the saying goes even the best laid plan never survives the start line. So you have to be able to go off-script and be ready to improvise.

            2) learn to think outside the box. If you can’t think around corners and/or find ways to fit square pegs in round holes, you are at a serious handicap. The world has a tendency to throw curve balls and there’s no way to see them all coming, and a lot of them will fall in these spaces between the lines of conventional thinking.

            3) no matter how good you think you are, there are times when you will lose your shit, even under fairly benign conditions. Learn to recognize the signs leading up to it and develop quick and effective techniques to ground yourself so you can get your head back in the game before you completely freak out and/or make the kind of mistake that gets people, including yourself, hurt or killed.

            • Von Clauswitz, I think: “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy”.

              Unknown: “Amateurs think strategy and tactics. Professionals think logistics”

              • That second one is from Napoleon Bonaparte.

              • Smart people get out of town and think of girls. Paranoid.

        • Howdy, Sgt. Dale, and AMEN to your comments, especially your very last sentence which WILL be the key to survival. The people who have refused to wake up and get a clue will be the ones who will perish. People like you, I, and everyone else here will make it.

        • The fact you ask GOD for that puts you way ahead to start.

          • Mont.
            God always comes first. And I give God all the praise, for everything I accomplish!

        • Sarge-

          Heads up, bro!

 into a discussion w/ some guys-workers (huge corp/but good paying customer) break time.

          ..I knew most of them pretty well(+10 years acquainted) for a newcomer.

          ..anyway there were 5 of us, discussing politics/economy/Obama, when “M” announced he just purchased a ‘slicked-up’ DPMS AR-15 w/ a 1k case of PMC ammo & 10 30rd mags..everyone agreed, that was a good idea & cost was reasonable…(no OPSEC in the crowd)….I just listened/nodded.

          ..the guy I didn’t know, kinda snorted disgust/sarcasm in an off-hand way & announced:

          ..all I have is a Ruger .45ACP & I ain’t dropping $1100-1200 for an AR!

          ..all I need to do is walk up & shoot some deputy/county-mounty/city cop, doing his paper work in his squad car..snatch his keys & open his trunk!!!

          …& I’ll have a full-auto M-16!


          Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!

          • Not to put too fine a point on it, but that’s exactly how the French Maquisards got most of their arms in WW2.

            • This is true, but remember – their targets were part of a severely over-stretched army who was fully convinced that they were the master race, and that their conquered peoples were all slow and stupid.

          • HUNTER – the guys that talk that kind of shit are scared little pussys .they make me sick , they will be the first to meet a quick end .
            I worry more about the guy that stays off on his own with nothin to say and no opinion .
            HE has a plan !

          • Hunter:
            Thanks for the heads up.
            This is my worry about the computers in the squad cars. I have always said it makes us a target. These damn things makes you look at them insted of whatching your sourdings.
            On top of everything else you have to use them when you are on the go. This is worst as texting and driving.
            Again thanks for the heads up. I’m going to make a copy of this and give it to all the guys. If that is OK with you.

          • sounds like my wife’s cousin bob.

          • “Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!”

            Indeed – and such people will end up dead in about a week, maybe two.

            He might get lucky, but I’m willing to wager at least half my preps that in a true SHTF situation, you won’t find some lone deputy sitting there in the open, next to an unlocked patrol car, just doing paperwork. Ain’t gonna happen. That kid will starve before he stumbles across such a dubious opportunity.

            Odds are perfect that LEOs will have themselves locked-down tight once things get SHTF-ugly, and will either be defending their families, or at least in small squads, with weapons out and looking for an overly-confident jackass like that to do something stupid.

            • O Q
              You are right with your last paragraph.
              When TSHTF. There won’t be any LEO”S there will only be LEO”S protecting their families. Yes there will be groups of LEO’S in bands working together for the common good of their group.
              In our group there are 7 LEO’S or retired LEO’s in it. They also have other skills need for the group.
              Some times I think people have the idea that WTSHTF that the LEO’S are still going to work while the rest of the world is in chaos. NOT I’m going to be at home with the group protecting it, and doing other work that needs to be done.
              Thanks again for the concern!

      16. You gotta have your mind right, trainee. Adapt or die. I’ve lived in Africa during a war, I grew up in the inner city of Chicago. I knew people who lived thru Beirut. I sometimes envy people who lived in small town USA among a homogenous demographic. And at other times, I wouldn’t trade my life experiences for anything.

        • MF, I hear you!

      17. While it is certainly true that the ill-prepared and stupid will definitely have a quick demise, it should be understood that a lot also depends on just the luck of the draw.

        There will be many folks who have done all they could to prepare…they’re intelligent…and make all the right decisions….but if a bullet has your name on it..or they are in the wrong place at the wrong time…it’s over.

        This is not to discount preparation and doing all you can, because luck does indeed favor the prepared mind.

        What a stable, civilized society does is allow the stupid and ill prepared to continue to live in relative ease, security and comfort. Those are the things that get stripped away in a SHTF situation. So in most cases…the ill-prepared and stupid will go quickly. But even for those who are the best prepared…in every way…their odds of surviving another day are greatly diminished.

        That’s just the way I see it.

        • Way more people will die of disease than bullets. Probably 10 to 1 is my guess if there is a power failure. Straight up war, different numbers.

          • Dont forget that starvation thingy. That’ll kill quite a few also, all be it in a week or two.

            • Most people won’t die of starvation in a week or two. For example 100 pounds of fat at 3500 calories per pound equals 350,000 calories. Minimal daily calories for survival (just an estimate since this varies with gender and activity level) approximately 1500 calories. 350,000 divided by 1500 equals estimated 233 day survival. This is a seven to eight month survival assuming no food intake at all. Lots of time for them to get angry and take it out on others. Of course, if they can’t get water, the time frame would be drastically shortened.

              • Correct, I went 14 days without food once, no big deal. But people that have no preps have no water either. The first time they drink out of a roadside ditch they will have dysentery and that’s that.

                • Para bet you did’nt need much TP. I think my Cuz used pine cones.

              • You’re right and wrong at the same time 🙂

                I’ll explain:

                The longest anyone could reasonably hope to last before dying of starvation (with zero calorie intake) is around 45-50 days, no matter how big you are. If you’re 100 lbs overweight, that would put you at least around 250 lbs or so for a guy, and around 225 for a woman (assuming average heights). Anything beyond that is flat-out obesity, which means limited mobility, limited stamina, and an exponentially higher risk of cardiac arrest or stroke from stress and over-exertion.

                As an educated WAG (Wild-Assed Guess), a typical SHTF situation will have most folks dying of starvation within about 6 months – if disease, violence, exposure, or dehydration don’t wipe them out first.

            • #1 prep top of the line water filter, an absolute must have. Katadyn pocket filter

              • Ryback, spot on about the katadyn. I have one and I love it.

          • .02. Agreed.

          • .02, Well said. I am not sure about the 10 to 1 but disease is something to be very concerned about. Cleanliness and basic hygiene will go a long ways in SFTF situations.

      18. * something most of you wont be prepared for is the smell of death and the swollen blackened bodies littering the streets .

        some of you will have to kill another human being to survive , maybe even a cop or soldier .

        are you mentally prepared to be exposed to / do such things to survive ???

        if not you might want to read up on the morality of war and psychological impact of killing .

        so your mentally prepared …


        • You can’t really prepare for the realities of violence. I’ve read Col. Grossman’s books cover to cover repeatedly, did some stress inoculation, been on all sorts of exercises and I still initially lost my shit first time I came under indirect fire in KAF. Took me a few moments to remember what I was supposed to do and and get my ass in gear.

          Oh, and I’ve never fired a shot in anger, although I’ve gotten close a few times. And every time, I was praying to every deity out there not to have to pull that trigger.

          Basically what I’m saying is that even those who’ve been there done that could have an issue with combat and killing bit have a leg up on those who haven’t been. Granted, there will always be those who can naturally deal with it in healthy ways and the psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, but as a rule of thumb, there are no real ways to be ready for that shit.

        • To add to my last, one should prepare themselves for post-traumatic stress. Again, I don’t care how tough you think you are but only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.

          I know mental health isn’t a popular topic but be aware, you will have nightmares, flashbacks, cold sweats, become ineffective, curl up into a ball crying for your mother. You and yours MUST be able to tell something is wrong with you and be there to help as much as they can. Otherwise, your survival will become severely compromised.

          • Prayer, meditation, a healthy diet, sunshine, exercise, and a close personal relationship with your Creator will keep the demons away.

            Go within. For you evolutionists and atheists, find the amoeba within. 🙂

            • There are absolutely no guarantees when it comes to preventing that crap. However, faith has been known to help with dealing with the aftermath.

              And from personal experience, there is no such thing as an atheist in a war zone.

              However, one should assume they will lose their shit and feel the full brunt of post-traumatic stress. If they don’t, bonus. But if you are prepared for it you will deal with it better than if you play the macho card and think it only affects sissies and you are too awesome to be affected by these horrors.

              • Been there. Didn’t do that. You need a mind set that can release past events rather than dwelling upon them. In my case, a young lifetime of sports playing ball every day, picking up teams, winning or losing, starting over, picking new teams, winning or losing, etc, etc, etc.

                This is the mindset of athletes who move from play to play and do not dwell on the fumble, the bad throw, the dropped ball, or the strike out. They just focus on the task ahead and shake it off, intent upon winning the game.

                That mindset can be applied to events and experiences in war. Like anything in life, you can be a victim or you can move from victory to victory to victory ….. however long it takes. Determination, resolve, and application always win and strengthens the spirit in the process.

                Life yields to those who will not quit. Engage. 🙂

                • There is a world of difference between sports and combat. For one, in sports the other guy isn’t actively trying to kill you, regardless how fierce the rivalry between the teams.

                  Also, you might see your buddy carted off the field/ice/diamond on a stretcher and he might be bleeding and unconscious. But he isn’t going to have extra holes in him from bullets and shrapnels, he isn’t going to be burnt to a crisp, he isn’t going be missing limbs, you won’t be standing in the Tarmac watching a stainless steel box carrying what’s left of him in the back of a a Herc so he can have a closed-casket funeral back home.

                  I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but likening the stresses of athletes to those of combat just doesn’t work. You screw up playing football, your team doesn’t make the championship. You screw up in a war zone, people die.

                  • I am an Ex Marine and Vietnam Vet. I know the horrors of war first hand, having seen it all and body bags stacked 3 feet tall.

                    I know whereof I speak and I stand by my statement. Time heals all wounds if WE do not dwell upon the negative. Get your mind right and get your life back.

                    You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. 🙂

                  • 21 Canadian dead in 7 months of combat? I have seen that many Marines dead in a week. We lost 50,000 Americans in that war.

                    Imagine a 13 month tour. The dead have my sympathies. You do not. Don’t be a pisser, moaner, whiner or crier. Suck it up and quit feeling sorry for yourself. Let the dead bury the dead.

                    You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid. 🙂

                  • DK, my apologies, I had no idea you were a vet yourself.

                    And while the number of dead my tour suffered seems barely significant to you, it is extremely high to me. Hell, it was high in our global mindset, seeing how a lot of Canadians, me included were still in the “Bosnia” mind frame in term of deployed operations, where deaths in theatre weren’t from combat action but from accidents.

                    Also, I wasn’t even born when you were in Vietnam. In fact, I wasn’t even a twinkle in my father’s eye yet.

                    And while I’d love to go into more detail here, last thing I want is saying something I shouldn’t over these means. But given half a chance, I would buy you a beer.

                  • Good God, durango kidd, you come across as a Complete psychopath here. You too, Canadian Vet, for wanting heap praises upon him. What’s wrong with you two?

                    Your nonchalance is deafening.

                    Your respect for empire is despicable.

                    Are you sure you wouldn’t be more happy on The Other side with TPTB?

                    It sure seems like it. …Or, are you already,.. and forevermore?

                  • Compare and contrast:

                    One guy says: “The psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, […] only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.”

                    Another guys says: “You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. […] Let the dead bury the dead. You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid.”

                    There’s a lot of sick S.O.B.’s in this world…, and a lot of them love empire. Watch out for them, they’ll stab you in the back quicker than shit, and they won’t think twice about it.

                  • I guess I learned more form the medic who sang with an opera voice to comfort those who suffered while they died at a young age in their foxholes during the war against the people in Vietnam than I do from some arrogant obeyer who seems to revel at the fact they counted body bag stacks while praising the benefits of being in the service to empire.


                    May God have mercy on your soul.

                  • AG, spoken like someone who hasn’t served. Perhaps there is a 40+ year disconnect between DK and my wartime experiences but soldiers are always soldiers, even after retiring.

                    And is he tougher than me? Most likely. Afghanistan was no joke but Vietnam? My knowledge is only academic but I wouldn’t have wished it on anyone.

                  • AG/Clark: Hey faggot!!! I’ve been missing you! Yeah, YOU would learn more at the opera than on the playing field, Fudgepacker! I know your type. 🙂

                    I once had lunch with a couple of pansy ass geeks like you (not sure if they believed in anarchy and read fringe element socialists like you do) but they were dissing baseball talking about how (limp wrist-ed) silly the game was.

                    I didn’t say anything. I just listened. Finally they asked me what I thought. I said, “You have never played the game have you?” They replied, “How did you know that?” I said you couldn’t talk about the game like that if you had ever played it.

                    Likewise, you do not know shit from shinola about war because you have never been to war. You have lived your life in your mother’s basement living off of your parents lamenting the cost of college and blaming everyone else for your lack of accomplishment, while pushing Free Trade as if it were a FREEDOM and sucking Lew Rockwell’s dick! 🙂

                    No, I do not support the “Empire”. But as a young man I was required to choose between America and Canada: allegiance to the Crown or to the US Constitution. I made my choice and made the best of it, exercising my responsibility as an America citizen.

                    The NWO has captured the American capital in a coup and a conspiracy. This is the “Empire” that you rail against; it is not the American ideal embodied in the Constitution. But you would rather disparage everything American because you are a fucking communist and anarchist!

                    Come on over, I’m running out of paper targets Faggot!!!

                  • Ah yeah, Canadian Vet. You’re correct, I have never served the empire and killed for its gain. Thank goodness! I don’t have to jump off a cliff to know it’s a bad idea. And, I can learn from those who realized what a mistake it was to do so and wrote about it or told others.

                    Your comments, and those like you who showcase their whoreship for the empire, especially idolizing serving the empire, is quite the learning experience.

                    Everyone should be leery of those who whorship the empire, often those types are psychotic and will flip out on even those who cherish freedom and liberty. I imagine that’s what happened in Selco’s situation as well.

                    I’m mean, look how Krugman Kidd indirectly attacks his fellow Marine medic who sang opera songs to comfort those who were dying, it’s as if he were swatting at a fly. That’s probably the same approach people had in Selco’s situation when they shot at each other?

                    I imagine the people in conflict in Selco’s situation labeled everyone they met, correctly or not, so as to de-humanize them and turn them into mere objects.

                    Krugman Kidd feels better about attacking me by incorrectly labeling me as gay or communist, that way he can feel good about doing such people harm and forget about having done it. That’s the way of the psychopath. Know the signs and watch out. Lest you too follow down the hole that is the dark side.

                    I can only hope that you, Canadian Vet, will look up the articles written by Laurence M. Vance and learn from your fellow soldiers.

                  • I thought of you two guys while reading this one, especially this last line:

                    Walking in the Shoes of a Soldier
                    By Laurence M. Vance
                    February 11, 2014

                    …”Although only 1 percent of Americans have served in the military, veterans account for 20 percent of all suicides.

                    Just ten steps in the shoes of a soldier is enough to see that no thinking person who treasures liberty, peace, morality, decency, his family, and peace of mind would join the military no matter how patriotic he was.”


                • DK, CV, your comments are appreciated. Combat is very different than sports, especially the consequences and end results, but the two have much in common, i.e., physical training, mental training, tactics, strategy, etc. Perhaps DK’s observations could be helpful in developing a resilient mindset!?

                  • It may be something seemingly insignificant that finally triggers PSTD years after an event. The human mind is a mystery to science still.

                    Even the toughest vet may finally crack when it’s his wife/son/parent that’s murdered in front of him, or when his cousin dies of some previously totally treatable common illness.

                    Arrogance gets you killed too, unless you are a clinically defined pyschopath.

                  • Worked for me. Am I special? It will work for anyone, athletes more than most. They are typically disciplined and mentally tough to begin with.

                    Every one cries in war. Everyone grieves. Everyone suffers. Divorce can be just as devastating. If WE didn’t grieve there would be something wrong with US as human beings. There is a time for it, when there is time for it, then that time is over.

                    Life is a cornucopia of opportunity. Engage. 🙂

          • Waiting for the first drone pilot to claim PTSD. Seems everybody has it these days.How did mankind survive that first 100K years without SSRI drugs?

            • It’s not because they do their killing by remote control these guys aren’t human. Especially those who act in good faith but on bad intelligence and drop their ordnance on innocent civilians.

        • Nina o’s
          Sounds like you have walked the walk it’s a smell you never forget , the smell of sewage mixed with spent power and the taste of bile rising in the back of your throat.
          I remember during golf war 1 everyone was at the point of exhaustion (72 hours non stop ) and just dropping and falling asleep in the field I saw one guy in the dark curled up face down in the sand so I affixed a chem light to his load bearing gear so he would not get run over . Pulled out my poncho rolled up in the poncho liner and passed out. Slept through the night only hearing the sentrys walking about . At first light I reached over shook the guy next to me he did not respond. So I grabbed his harness rolling him over the sight is one I will never forget his face was swollen and black , I back peddled and stud up I had slept next to a dead guy the whole night.

          We had lagered in a field with strewn dead Iraqi soldiers not far from kuwait city that had been bombed to clear the Iraqi minefields.

          This was one of the few experiences that will never leave me from that time , the siege at Khafji and the death highway outside of Kuwait city.

          Yeh I guess mental preparation is something acquired.

          An old Sargent one told me “when the ground heaves and the calcaphany of noise is unimaginable the veterans will be the ones that will know what needs to be done”




          Semper Fi 8541

          • I hate auto spell

            Semper Fi 8541

          • I know I had a tough to with Afganistan, but you Sir had a much rougher time than I did. I had to stand at ramp ceremonies for 14 of the 21 Canadians killed during my 7 months on the ground, and I was lucky to only know 1 of them.

            He was just some random I sat with in the mess tent in Ma’Sum Ghar and chatted with about the 2008 Olympics over breakfast. But it was enough of a connection to feel it when I heard he burnt alive in an IED strike.

            And my closest personal brush with death was when I told my detachment commander I didn’t quite feel like climbing up on our vehicle twice for the same thing and stayed in my camp chair instead of don’t what I was told. I’ve always prided myself on being a consummate professional but that day, if hadn’t decided to slack off in the shade instead of following orders and gotten on top of that vehicle, I would have had my guts ripped up by a piece of shrapnel from a Katyusha rocket that impacted not 100 meters away about 30 seconds after I received my instructions.

            • Basically, you better listen to your instincts, gut feelings, intuition. A good book to read on this subject is “the Gift of Fear”. Great book!

              • Not even that. Tour was almost done, my GAF factor was in the drain, I was comfortable in the shade of that sea can in my folding chair and just didn’t feel like checking the cargo straps at that time and later when our convoy would show up. I was lazy and a little bit insubordinate at that point.

                I’m not proud of it but I’m sure glad I picked that time to slack off.

            • @Canadian Vet…Thank you for your service to our Country. As you know we have a section of highway in Ontario called ‘The Highway of Heros’…When our boys come home on their ‘final journey’ that section of the highway (from Trenton Air Base to Toronto)is closed so that their ‘vechicles can pass by.

              People flock to the overpasses in large numbers, dressed in a lot of red clothing and carrying our Beautiful Flag….to say their final fairwells to them (and their families) who follow behind in other vechicles…..

              I have been fortunate enough to be there when 2 of our boys came home….it was quite a site to see…and such a privelige to be among those giving thanks to our boys for giving the ‘Ultimate’ sacrifice for our freedom.

              We can NEVER thank you enough, take care, CC.

              • I know that stretch of the 401, from Exit 525/526 to the 404/DVP. I’ve only seen two of those convoys with my own two eyes.

                One, I was on my own time and I pulled over to pay my respects; on that one, another driver thought I had no business to slow down and wanted to tune me in. Funny how quickly he drove off when I told him it was for a FELLOW soldier coming home in a box and if he didn’t back down his day was going to get unpleasant.

                The second time, we were heading back to Kingston from exercise in Meaford. My packet received orders to pull over and we were all lined up, some on the shoulder, some on our vehicles’ running boards. I’ll never forget how one of the family members was waving at us through the car window. It was also kinda funny seeing ourselves in the blurbs they put in the news and the paper.

        • @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker … Respect .


          THANK YOU BOTH @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker FOR YOUR COMMENTS … you are not alone Gentlemen … Respect !

          n.o. ;0p

          • I have no illusions. Comes SHTF, I will most likely have to make some hard choices and do things I’m not going to like or be proud of. I know I will likely have to use force and I will do it as ruthlessly and as efficiently as I know how. My family deserves I go to these extremes for their wellbeing.

            And I know I will lose sleep over this, and I will have nightmares and it will be adding on to the damage I’ve already suffered. And from my own experience, might be able to rationalize some of it but I am well aware of the toll it’ll take on me.

          • NINA O
            Thanks for your response to C.V. and N.B.
            you said it better than I could have.
            I respect both of these guys.

            • @Sgt. Dale … Respect .

              yur’ welcome ;0)

              * i was once a Dirt-Eater Sgt. as well …

              n.o. ;0p

        • Gosh, I just saw a guy the other day, being carried out on a stretcher… I wasn’t sure if he was alive or dead! He looked awful! Other people said the exact same thing! He was hooked up to machines and his head wasn’t covered up, so I assume he was alive, but just barely!

      19. Fear can be a good thing. It can keep you alive. Too much can kill you. Learn to control your fear. I lost my ability to be afraid when I replaced it with shear fucking hatred. Things I should be afraid of I began to hate. I feel a lot better now. Happy even. Christians might not like the idea, but someday soon they will understand.

        • Been attacked twice by moose. First time scared the shitouta me, second time I knocked the ole bitch flat with a 357 @ 5 paces. Me and moose don’t get along.

          • HAHAHA , does gettin attacked by a woodchuck count?
            Thought i killed it and went to see , bad idea.
            Dont reach into a hole to pull out what you think is a dead animal . EVER !

            • Ouch- the ground rodents have big ass front teeth, they work well too.

            • One round of 00 buck from “Bertha” into that hole would take care of the problem.

            • Only a complete idiot would do that.

            • Maybe you remember one of my fellow Georgians got attacked by an attack rabbitt when he was Prez. Had to be saved by a sercret service agent.

      20. This is good. A few days ago, a 5 million dollar Stradivarius Violin was stolen by three people in Milwaukee. 2 men have been charged. Ultimate Knowledge Allah and Saleh Jones. Are you shittin’ me? Probably Black Muslims. A third person, a women has not been charged. I bet her name is Stradivarius Jackson, or something as much fun.

        • dats raycis

        • @ VRF. I saw your link to that sick satanic freak. This is beyond terrible and shows just how warped society is becoming as this is becoming excepted as an alternative to God. This devil worship goes hand in hand with orgies and disgusting preversion of the mind. As well as sick pro sodomy propaganda that throughout history has rapidly spread disease.

          Religions talk about this because it is the examples of what sodomy has proven again and againb to spread very dangerous germs. A sin is not only in the eyes of God, but in the simple science of it. It is dirty, no it is filthy. People are not suppose to roll around in crap like a dog. People that fool around with certain anatomical parts of the body ONLY reserved for waste removal are the same as those that fool around with raw sewage pipes, they are going to get sick, real sick.

          • Eisenfairy, you back off from BI, you POS sodomite freak.

            • Id like to beat that fucker till he stops moving,,

            • eisen what did yah say!

          • Eisen,

            The level of intolerance in you is shocking.

            Any argument will only prove my point.

            BI having an opinion is not intolerance, whether you agree with that view or not. Wishing a person dead for a certain view is the height of intolerance. Disagreement, however, is NOT intolerance.

            Are you too stupid to get it, or not?

            • Eisen is calling the kettle black again.

              • I only called Eisen intolerant. Geez.

            • LOOK AT THIS. E just came out of the closet and admitted that he is a bisexual, by saying “you can bully bisexuals and calling “us” dity disease spreaders. Okay. Someone once told me that bisexuals are far more likely to engage in bestiality than homosexuals because everything goes. Whatever.

              This is another science fact that bisexuals are the number one spreaders of AIDS to women that there is. Disease spreaders? Yes, this is a science fact. This is of course someone’s choice to engage in warped sexual practices, but doesn’t change the fact that they ARE spreading germs and death to the population that choose to be part of this. Doesn’t change the fact that they are spreading super bugs that are antibiotic resistant. Doesn’t change the fact that many people get sick because of this weird practice. This is just fact.

              Anyone pointing out science fact is automatically some LBGT basher. This is political correctness at its worse. Censor people that offend anyone with science facts. Censor people that don’t want our innocent children around this preversion. Censor parents that want to protect their children from this animalistic practice. Censor children that are desperately trying to tell their parents or authorities about pedophiles trying to rape them. This is intolerance towards the homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, and transwarped genders?

              This is the last dying throes of society when we as a people are prohibited, trashing the Constitution of America, from talking about science fact of ANY issue because it offends a certain segment of the population.

              • Go talk to a good psychiatrist, he or she will help you understand the pure hate you have for everyone born between 1946 and 1964. They can get the mental help needed to feel better. They can be someone’s best friend before they act on this hate and destroy a bunch of innocent people’s lives when there minds finally snap. The brain can only take so much hate before totally losing all touches with reality.

            • Eisen

              Your lifestyle is dangerous — sorry to tell you. There is a direct correlation to anal sex and rectal cancer in the masses. I hope you use protection .

              My own older brother is gay. I don’t hold animosity for him. I still don’t know how God looks at him spirutually.
              I think we are all God’s children, and I don’t wish ill for folks. Sometimes they make their own bad decisions.

              I see alcoholics and drug addicts that are injured daily because of bad decisions. They get their care regardless of whether they can pay or not. Sometimes they pay for their decisions with their life.

              Country girl

              • Eisen, you think you can straighten out someone, huh? Bring it on; I dare you, mofo.

          • eisen ur a hateful bastard.

          • @eisen

            If i walk into a rave with all the kiddos doin’ X running around with thier little glow sticks, they would look at this old rednek and say WTF ya doin’ here dude. In my infinite wisdom it would have to agree and leave. So Mr Eisenkruz………..why do you persist in jacking with all the people in here. Unless you have an agenda. Given that most gays are still in the closet so to speak i would suspect there are way more gay chat rooms than prepper chat rooms. Why don’t you find a nice gay chat room? Instead of making a bunch of old redneck hacked off at gays via your “in your face” attacks, why don’t you go where your more comfortable?

          • If you believe the evolution theory, homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. They cannot reproduce.

          • Not to mention that sodomites have a much higher probability of being sociopaths and child molesters.

            • That’s for sure O.C.

        • VRF,
          I believe the first of a nationwide aerial blimp imagining system is about to be deployed over Maryland . These will be unmanned tethered . Economical and high resolution. All in the name of Homeland Security of course.
          — Miss Dee Dee

      21. If we can survive the presence of someone like Eisen at our site, we can live thru anything.

        • I’m with you braveheart on that

        • To be truthful, if E. is the same in person, I’ll only be beside him in a SHTF situation for about 5 minutes; plus what ever time it takes to split up his stuff.

          • PARANOID:
            Do really think it will take that long????

            • Yeah. takes 2 minutes to decide if you waste a bullet or just hit him with a rock.

              • Para I’m useing a hammer, might get a gold tooth while I’m at it.

          • I don’t even read his posts anymore. By the time I see them they are hidden. I just thumbs down them anyway.

      22. eisen, I hope we ‘boomers’ get the pleasure of seeing you die first.

        • Sybil Eisen:
          Here is a rebuttal to your rants on the “boomers”.
          Maybe? it will set you right, but then again you are not right from the beginning. I pity your mom for raising such a spoiled brat as yourself…

          The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

          They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are “Baby Boomers” getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.
          In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience.

          We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don’t know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

          We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Viet Nam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn’t fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.” We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

          Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

          It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the “Hope and Change” which in reality was nothing but “Hype and Lies.”

          You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don’t like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or “Climbing the Social Ladder” to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the “Great Lie” in 2008 are now having buyer’s remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn’t have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the ‘Kool-Aid.’ Now you’re paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

          This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

          Well, don’t worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we’re going, and in 2014 we’re going to the polls by the millions.

          This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to “We the People” and “We the People” plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the “Grey-Haired Brigade.”

          This is spot on. I am another Gray-Haired Geezer signing on. I will circulate this to other Gray-Haired Geezers all over this once great county.

          Can you feel the ground shaking???
          It’s not an earthquake, it is a STAMPEDE.

          • Eppe, from one geezer to another, AMEN to your response to eisenturd and yes, it is spot on. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, eisenturd.

          • Bingo Eppe!

            • Eppe
              F***kin A bubba!


              Semper Fi 8541

          • How about a joke?
            Yes, many of you may have heard these before, but many have not, but they are funny….
            By the way, where is “SMOKIN”?

            1) No matter how hard you try, you can’t baptize cats.
            2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad, don’t let her brush your
            3) If your sister hits you, don’t hit her back. They always
            catch the second person.
            4) Never ask your 3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
            5) You can’t trust dogs to watch your food.
            6) Don’t sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
            7) Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same time.
            8) You can’t hide a piece of broccoli in a glass of milk.
            9) Don’t wear polka-dot underwear under white shorts.
            10) The best place to be when you’re sad is Grandpa’s lap.

            1) Raising teenagers is like nailing Jell-O to a tree.
            2) Wrinkles don’t hurt.
            3) Families are like fudge…mostly sweet, with a few nuts.
            4) Today’s mighty oak is just yesterday’s nut that held its
            5) Laughing is good exercise. It’s like jogging on the inside.
            6) Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not
            the toy.

            1) Growing up is mandatory; growing old is optional.
            2) Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can
            3) When you fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
            you’re down there.
            4) You’re getting old when you get the same sensation from a
            rocking chair that you once got from a roller coaster.
            5) It’s frustrating when you know all the answers but nobody
            bothers to ask you the questions.
            6) Time may be a great healer, but it’s a lousy beautician.
            7) Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.
            1) You believe in Santa Claus.
            2) You don’t believe in Santa Claus.
            3) You are Santa Claus.
            4) You look like Santa Claus.
            At age 4 success is . . not peeing in your pants.
            At age 12 success is having friends.
            At age 16 success is . . . having a drivers license.
            At age 35 success is . having money.
            At age 50 success is . . . having money.
            At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
            At age 75 success is . having friends.
            At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.

            • @ eppe. A lot of people see you as someone that has a hold of humor to make everyone laugh. Yet I read what you wrote above this about the boomer generation and you write quite well and put over the point a lot more condenced than I can on many subjects. I can’t understand how anyone can be so filled with wanton hatred that they could want an entire generation of people to just die off. I know people from the silent generation all the way to generation z and there are good people and a$$holes within each generation. This is just human nature.

              To categorize everyone of one generation as terrible and deserving to go to the bone yard is exactly the profile of serial killers that focus on one group of people to eliminate. This is how the police are able to catch these maniacs as they have some sick calling card. Many people call Mr.E just upset and blowing off steam. These rants top the line of people like NC Joker. This is a person that gets aroused with people dying. This is too obvious to me from the past hundreds and hundreds of deranged comments, such as after the Boston Marathon bombing. These are all evident on previous articles that anyone can view as proof. Extrakrazy made these comments all by himself, again and again. Comments that are just nuts, not just anger, just psychopathic and not rational.

              This is a big problem now, and the anti-gunners use everytime one of these wackos guns down innocent people to demonize the weapon they used. Not dealing with the fact that the lunatic would have used anything available to be a killer, and not dealing with the severe mental matter of someone so demented that is not even seeing people as anything other than targets. That the MSM for you.

              • BI: Agreed, we all know what is going on in the world, because we ping things off each other. I always read your posts, and we do see things eye to eye… With that said, I do WISH that we could all get along together, share info, and work together for the betterment of this site. I even have my oldest daughter now reading here, and she even wonders about Sybil E.
                But we always have ying and yang to make the world go round. I have often heard some say they do NOT read long posts, but sometimes you have to “explain” yourself with a lot of verbage to get the point across… Usually I am straight to the point, one to two sentences, like the first post at the very top. To survive, it is 90% mental, which is what Selco is and has been saying for a long time. In fact he just posted a VERY good one today, that everyone should read also. I do miss the 10 recent comments, but what can we do?
                I hope the best for all of us, just always prepare for the worst, even if it does not happen, what did you really lose out on?
                If you ain’t prepping, you are just inepting…

                • I know my dad has been on this site for years now, and has gained some popularity. On occasion, he tells me of the things you all have said and done on here. I was never very interested in checking it out, but today he told me to look at this post.
                  I’m amazed. This person, Eisenkreuz, posted a rude, hateful comment about killing people and so many people joined in to tell him that the comment was rude, hateful, and uncalled for. I wasn’t expecting this amount of humanity from a website called ‘shit hits the fan’. But then I realized, isn’t that what it’s all about on here? Sharing your compassion and knowledge to help each other survive and thrive in the worst of conditions.
                  Good and bad will always exist, and this truly surprised me. Thank you, dad, and thank you, community.

              • eisen learned a new word today…blah

              • A legend in his mama,s mind

              • BI;
                I sat down and wrote a 2 page article for, sent it in to Mac first. I hope he will publish it, not too radical, yet it will make us think…
                Titled it “IF ICELAND CAN DO IT”, I hope he sees it fit to place it here for all to read….

            • Eppe, keep that humor coming. You must have been taking lessons from smokinokie, who I’m missing also. I do need a laugh right now.

            • BI;
              I sat down and wrote a 2 page article for, sent it in to Mac first. I hope he will publish it, not too radical, yet it will make us think…
              Titled it “IF ICELAND CAN DO IT”, I hope he sees it fit to place it here for all to read….

          • Épée,
            Thank you for that inspirational piece.
            I may not be the one on the front line holding a bayonet of freedom but as a N.P. I pledge my medical service to the cause of the gray-hair stampede brigade. I believe this might be the last time in our lives we have the chance to bail out our younger generations. I hope if we succeed , they appreciate and continue forward. ( I can only hope )
            — Miss Dee Dee

            • Ms D;
              I really believe that one day when it all falls down, us “old farts” will be the ones who pull it all together and make it work out to the betterment of society. I see the younger generation and just shake my head in disbelief. We will be the leaders of the rebuilding of society. Many may not agree, but if you stick many of these yougsters out in the woods with minimum equipment, they do not have the knowledge or ability to survive. But all we can do is take a few and make them worth a crap… Maybe some will see that not all us “boomers’ are senile…
              Understand Sybil Eisen?

              • Go live there if you think its so great….

              • “America was founded as a libertarian dictatorship.” –Eisenkrap–

                Attempting to use the word “stupid” to describe you would be and extreme understatement.

                And trying to explain how a “libertarian dictatorship” is an oxymoron would be totally wasted on you.

                Come back when you can make sense you immature little pissant.

              • There in lies the problem, you Sybil have no idea of what we can do. I myself would fuck you up so bad your momma would not recognize you

              • Eisen, you think Ukraine would be great? Go try Cuba where my wife came from. You’re just the kind of ‘useful idiot’ they’re always looking for.

              • Eppe-

                Thank you, sir.

                …and per Nina’s trademark…”RESPECT”!!!

              • EISEN- you make a good point , most of the colonists were afraid of true freedom and what that meant for them having to survive without englands teat.
                Much like today , 3/4 of Americans want handouts from the fed gov and are willing to exchange their freedom for convienience and a false sense of security.
                Most Americans today have no idea just how free they still are .

          • eppe The best reply I have ever heard. Glad to be associated with you even though we will probably never meet.
            from northwest Arkansas, Thanks


          • Eppe:
            Thanks man for laying it on the line like it was and now is. From one old geezer that has worked his A$% off all his life to my brother geezer that did the same.
            Thanks Again.
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • How about some jokes? I might not be as a good as my dad, but it’s worth a shot…

              Lawyer: “Was that the same nose you broke as a child?”
              Witness: “I only have one, you know.”
              Lawyer: “Now, Mrs. Johnson, how was your first marriage terminated?”
              Witness: “By death.”
              Lawyer: “And by whose death was it terminated?”
              Accused, Defending His Own Case: “Did you get a good look at my face when I took your purse?”
              The defendant was found guilty and sentenced to ten years in jail.

              Lawyer: “What is your date of birth?”
              Witness: “July 15th.”
              Lawyer: “What year?”
              Witness: “Every year.”
              Lawyer: “Can you tell us what was stolen from your house?”
              Witness: “There was a rifle that belonged to my father that was stolen from the hall closet.”
              Lawyer: “Can you identify the rifle?”
              Witness: “Yes. There was something written on the side of it.”
              Lawyer: “And what did the writing say?”
              Witness: “‘Winchester’!”
              Lawyer: “What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?”
              Witness: “Gucci sweats and Reeboks.”
              Lawyer: “Can you describe what the person who attacked you looked like?”
              Witness: “No. He was wearing a mask.”
              Lawyer: “What was he wearing under the mask?”
              Witness: “Er…his face.”
              Lawyer: “This myasthenia gravis — does it affect your memory at all?”
              Witness: “Yes.”
              Lawyer: “And in what ways does it affect your memory?”
              Witness: “I forget.”
              Lawyer: “You forget. Can you give us an example of something that you’ve forgotten?”
              Lawyer: “How old is your son, the one living with you?”
              Witness: “Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can’t remember which.”
              Lawyer: “How long has he lived with you?”
              Witness: “Forty-five years.”
              Lawyer: “What was the first thing your husband said to you when he woke that morning?”
              Witness: “He said, ‘Where am I, Cathy?'”
              Lawyer: “And why did that upset you?”
              Witness: “My name is Susan.”
              Lawyer: “Sir, what is your IQ?”
              Witness: “Well, I can see pretty well, I think.”
              Lawyer: “Did you blow your horn or anything?”
              Witness: “After the accident?”
              Lawyer: “Before the accident.”
              Witness: “Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for it.”
              Lawyer: “Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red and blue lights flashing?”
              Witness: “Yes.”
              Lawyer: “Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her car?”
              Witness: “Yes, sir.”
              Lawyer: “What did she say?”
              Witness: “‘What disco am I at?'”
              Lawyer: “Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “Did you check for blood pressure?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “Did you check for breathing?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “How can you be so sure, Doctor?”
              Witness: “Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.”
              Lawyer: “But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?”
              Witness: “Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law somewhere.”
              Lawyer: “How far apart were the vehicles at the time of the collision?”
              Lawyer: “And you check your radar unit frequently?”
              Officer: “Yes, I do.”
              Lawyer: “And was your radar unit functioning correctly at the time you had the plaintiff on radar?”
              Officer: “Yes, it was malfunctioning correctly.”
              Lawyer: “What happened then?”
              Witness: “He told me, he says, ‘I have to kill you because you can identify me.'”
              Lawyer: “Did he kill you?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “Now sir, I’m sure you are an intelligent and honest man–”
              Witness: “Thank you. If I weren’t under oath, I’d return the compliment.”
              Lawyer: “You were there until the time you left, is that true?”
              Lawyer: “So you were gone until you returned?”
              Lawyer: “The youngest son, the 20 year old, how old is he?”
              Lawyer: “Were you alone or by yourself?”
              Lawyer: “How long have you been a French Canadian?”
              Witness: “He was about medium height and had a beard.”
              Lawyer: “Was this a male or a female?”
              Lawyer: “Mr. Slatery, you went on a rather elaborate honeymoon, didn’t you?”
              Witness: “I went to Europe, sir.”
              Lawyer: “And you took your new wife?”
              Lawyer: “I show you Exhibit 3 and ask you if you recognize that picture.”
              Witness: “That’s me.”
              Lawyer: “Were you present when that picture was taken?”
              Lawyer: “Were you present in court this morning when you were sworn in?”
              Lawyer: “Do you know how far pregnant you are now?”
              Witness: “I’ll be three months on November 8.”
              Lawyer: “Apparently, then, the date of conception was August 8?”
              Witness: “Yes.”
              Lawyer: “What were you doing at that time?”
              Lawyer: “How many times have you committed suicide?”
              Witness: “Four times.”
              Lawyer: “Do you have any children or anything of that kind?”
              Lawyer: “She had three children, right?”
              Witness: “Yes.”
              Lawyer: “How many were boys?”
              Witness: “None.”
              Lawyer: “Were there girls?”
              Lawyer: “You don’t know what it was, and you didn’t know what it looked like, but can you describe it?”
              Lawyer: “You say that the stairs went down to the basement?”
              Witness: “Yes.”
              Lawyer: “And these stairs, did they go up also?”
              Lawyer: “Have you lived in this town all your life?”
              Witness: “Not yet.”
              Lawyer: (realizing he was on the verge of asking a stupid question) “Your Honor, I’d like to strike the next question.”
              Lawyer: “Do you recall approximately the time that you examined the body of Mr. Eddington at the Rose Chapel?”
              Witness: “It was in the evening. The autopsy started about 8:30pm.”
              Lawyer: “And Mr. Eddington was dead at the time, is that correct?”
              Lawyer: “What is your brother-in-law’s name?”
              Witness: “Borofkin.”
              Lawyer: “What’s his first name?”
              Witness: “I can’t remember.”
              Lawyer: “He’s been your brother-in-law for years, and you can’t remember his first name?”
              Witness: “No. I tell you, I’m too excited.” (rising and pointing to his brother-in-law) “Nathan, for heaven’s sake, tell them your first name!”
              Lawyer: “Did you ever stay all night with this man in New York?”
              Witness: “I refuse to answer that question.
              Lawyer: “Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago?”
              Witness: “I refuse to answer that question.
              Lawyer: “Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods?”
              Witness: “No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.”
              Lawyer: “What is your marital status?”
              Witness: “Fair.”
              Lawyer: “Are you married?”
              Witness: “No, I’m divorced.”
              Lawyer: “And what did your husband do before you divorced him?”
              Witness: “A lot of things I didn’t know about.”
              Lawyer: “And who is this person you are speaking of?”
              Witness: “My ex-widow said it.
              Lawyer: “How did you happen to go to Dr. Cherney?”
              Witness: “Well, a gal down the road had had several of her children by Dr. Cherney and said he was really good.”
              Lawyer: “Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?”
              Witness: “All my autopsies have been performed on dead people.”
              Lawyer: “Were you acquainted with the deceased?”
              Witness: “Yes sir.”
              Lawyer: “Before or after he died?”
              Lawyer: “Mrs. Jones, is your appearance this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?”
              Witness: “No. This is how I dress when I go to work.”
              The Court: “Now, as we begin, I must ask you to banish all present information and prejudice from your minds, if you have any.”
              Lawyer: “Did he pick the dog up by the ears?”
              Witness: “No.”
              Lawyer: “What was he doing with the dog’s ears?”
              Witness: “Picking them up in the air.”
              Lawyer: “Where was the dog at this time?”
              Witness: “Attached to the ears.”
              Lawyer: “When he went, had you gone and had she, if she wanted to and were able, for the time being excluding all the restraints on her not to go, gone also, would he have brought you, meaning you and she, with him to the station?”
              Other Lawyer: “Objection. That question should be taken out and shot.”
              Lawyer: “And lastly, Gary, all your responses must be oral. Ok? What school do you go to?”
              Witness: “Oral.”
              Lawyer: “How old are you?”
              Witness: “Oral.”
              Lawyer: “What is your relationship with the plaintiff?”
              Witness: “She is my daughter.”
              Lawyer: “Was she your daughter on February 13, 1979?”
              Lawyer: “Now, you have investigated other murders, have you not, where there was a victim?”
              Lawyer: “Now, doctor, isn’t it true that when a person dies in his sleep, in most cases he just passes quietly away and doesn’t know anything about it until the next morning?”
              Lawyer: “And what did he do then?”
              Witness: “He came home, and next morning he was dead.”
              Lawyer: “So when he woke up the next morning he was dead?”
              Lawyer: “Did you tell your lawyer that your husband had offered you indignities?”
              Witness: “He didn’t offer me nothing. He just said I could have the furniture.”
              Lawyer: “So, after the anesthesia, when you came out of it, what did you observe with respect to your scalp?”
              Witness: “I didn’t see my scalp the whole time I was in the hospital.”
              Lawyer: “It was covered?”
              Witness: “Yes, bandaged.”
              Lawyer: “Then, later on…what did you see?”
              Witness: “I had a skin graft. My whole buttocks and leg were removed and put on top of my head.”
              Lawyer: “Could you see him from where you were standing?”
              Witness: “I could see his head.”
              Lawyer: “And where was his head?”
              Witness: “Just above his shoulders.”
              Lawyer: “Do you drink when you’re on duty?”
              Witness: “I don’t drink when I’m on duty, unless I come on duty drunk.”
              Lawyer: “Any suggestions as to what prevented this from being a murder trial instead of an attempted murder trial?”
              Witness: “The victim lived.”
              Lawyer: “The truth of the matter is that you were not an unbiased, objective witness, isn’t it? You too were shot in the fracas.”
              Witness: “No, sir. I was shot midway between the fracas and the naval.”
              Lawyer: “Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the influence?”
              Witness: “Because he was argumentary, and he couldn’t pronunciate his words.”

              • Eppe, and Little Eppe, thanks for your insightful comments! Your talents are many and your jokes are funny. Keep them coming.

          • Boomers have been a large voting bloc for a long time. Has worked out quite well, hasn’t it?

          • Hell yes !!!!

          • WOW

          • noted, accepted and in. Well said brother.

            Down go down without one helluva fight”

          • Yep.. those dern booomers! couldn’t be Eisen’s fault things are this bad, or the previous generation’s fault…nooo! Its those darn boomers!

            Over-population? Peak oil? Climate Change? Corrupt government? Using up all the natural resources? Noooo! Its those darn boomers! Its all their fault!

            • Over half the population is now immigrants and that percentage will continue to grow while those here long term shrink in percentage. Most of these new arrivals come from countries where freedoms are scarce and they have no use for the second amendment among others. Things will continue to get worse and with Bone Head pushing amnesty much faster than we expected.

      23. Notice once again ExtraKrazy has shifted back to the other schizo personality of wishing an entire population of people death that are born from 1946 to 1964. This is someone so unhinged that one day just like a serial killer they are likely to target that group foe extermination. This loon is a psychopath, and I hope I am wrong for all the innocent people’s sake that this nut will go after when this deranged crackpot’s mind finally boils over.

        • @ Braveheart. ANYONE wishing an entire population of people to die is a total lunatic. I should be deeply offended by this, but I understand that this is a person in very deep need of mental help. They belong in a rubber room with a straight jacket mumbling to themselves about how much they hate the boomer generation. It is probably just too bad that it will take someone like this to go postal on a bunch of people 50 or older that have never harmed anyone before IT is locked up or the cops stop IT. This is an example of how terrible mental help and how much worse it is going to get under BO care that total psychos like this are walking around ready to be the next major breaking news story on MSM.

          • BI, good afternoon, and AMEN to your comments. I share your concerns regarding THINGS like Eisen. THINGS like Eisen are totally unpredictable and do need help if that’s even possible. Eisen would only have one time to come to my place for any reason and IT would get a dose of 00 buck from ‘Bertha’. I don’t trust IT any further than I can throw IT. I even had a dream about that one night…no, more like a nightmare. But I agree IT will either end up in a rubber room or the morgue.

          • B’heart and be informed. Maybe it’s time for me and friends to get face lifts, buy extra make up and keep plenty of hair dye on hand, wear jogging suits and Nike shoes, so we can look 40 something (instead of 65 plus), when these guys start going postal.

            • eisen, forget it. I don’t think they’re desperate. I’m sure they don’t want to catch anything.

          • BI,
            You can bet the headlines will read ” MASS KILLING OF BABY BOOMERS- KNOWN PREPPER WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPON KILLS ( insert amount ) THEN TAKES OWN LIFE”
            — Miss Dee Dee

            • Eisen…you’ve been cancelled by the Post Office, into the dead letter bin for you.

            • eisen is ‘kreuzing’ for a bruising, isn’t he?

              • BI and BH both like to play nude leapfrog.

              • HA!

          • E is quite adept at pushing your buttons, no?

        • Dude, +100 on the Eisen. The guy is a full Bull Moose loony. I’ll always remember the comment he made awhile back where he thought 100 million+ dead would be “cool”.

          Guys with his problem tend to end up in rubber rooms and rehab centers, or both.

          • It’s hard to comment when someone like Mr E. that always give none sense talks. And Mr. E you’re a legend!

            • Only in your mind Eisen

            • Your an idiot

              • A legendary idiot perhaps?

            • Eisencrews you may not be a legend, but your the most popular queer on this sight, just as my Cuz said ” You got some mighty pretty lips” And he said something about your ass. I think he was going to kick it. I think?

              • NGIC, maybe there’s something good about you after all. You called eisen a queer, so there’s one thing in your favor, and yes, I can kick his ass if it became necessary.

              • Eisencrews, I don’t know if I got all these red thumbs because I said you were a popular queer, or because my cuz is going to kick your ass. But they’re 700 comments and a quarter of them are about you. So your pretty popular.

        • He’s very ill. No one can change him. He’s beyond help now.
          Just ignore him. Leave him alone …..

          • The idiots responding can’t help themselves, but if this was my first visit to this site, I would not return because it looks as if half of these comments are sophomoric, immature, childish and by 6 year olds.
            This s**t is getting old, boys. Ignore; you do more good that way.

            • Can’t say it any clearer than that, JayJay. We have eisen as Pavlov and braveheart as the dog, dutifully salivating every time eisen wrings the bell.

            • E.
              This is a very good post.
              Thank You

            • Eisen, you’re talking about us; you’re not included. You say you’re glad to help people? You can help us by going away.

        • I caught that too B.I.!!!

          ..per the boiling over theory, I honestly doubt there is enough cerebral mass to cook!

          **(see temperature/thermal conduction, in a vacuum environment for details.

      24. Everything changes in SHTF. Having lived through it, I can share some social observations.

        First, men. In a shtf, men tend to break down into stereotypes fast. There is the self-destructive, whiny bitch man who drinks and complains all day (he tends to die early of bad health). There are the time-server men who try and hang on to whatever gig they got going (dies from a heart attack from the stress), and then there are the opportunists. The opportunists light up like a bright light when shtf comes. These are the guys that open a bar where there used to be the public library. Start dealing hookers to horny politicians, get you prime filet to order, 25-year-old scotch (price? your daughter).

        These guys become the new rulers and fast.

        Now, women. Women are stoic creatures and tend to be very adaptable to the new circumstances. But you may not like how women adapt. Women, if they are smart but not beautiful and over the age of 40, tend to become entrepreneurs. They work their old connections in government etc. and sell anything under the sun.

        If they are aged 15 and up to 35, and are reasonably fit, reasonably healthy, reasonably good-looking and can rock a nice pair of denim, then, well, then they go to work selling what always sells: sex.

        This can be the most distressing for men. Fellow students and colleagues become the girls hanging around hotels. Fathers have to get used to their daughters doing this to pay for tuition fees. The men can also get very jealous because this work makes good money and beats the pants off off being unemployed, poor or doing dog work humping crap for cash (that the dumb but loyal men end up doing).

        And the best of these women? They will hook up with the opportunists. That is hard to take: the best looking women will be out of the reach of most guys, period. To her, you will look like a powerless sap with no cash. And a powerless sap with no cash doesn’t pay for the apartment, the nice clothes, the gym membership, the travel.

        Most guys will not be able to get laid except with the ugliest, skankiest older women. And only when they are very drunk. I have even seen these women go lesbian because the male population is so pathetic they can’t even get the appetite to go near them.

        In shtf, gender roles get thrown into the blender and the cocktail most guys will have to drink is going to be depressingly toxic.

        • History of German occupation in France bears you out on that one. Good post.

        • Uh huh…..On the news in Albuquerque they had a news clip stating a new trend with college girls is to shack up with older men who have means. Interesting. Could fit into your theory.

          • Which campus?

            • Dunno. Come to think of it i might have to look into that.

        • Gag a maggot! I had no idea, but sounds pretty accurate…makes sense

      25. In the year 2525, NOBODY READING THIS IS GOING TO SURVIVE! We’re all on death row, just waiting for The Father to call our name.

        Are you ready? Have your sins been paid for? Have your accounts been settled?

        PUT YOU LIFE IN THE HANDS OF JESUS AND THEY WILL BE! By saying this prayer and meaning it:

        “Lord, I believe that you sent your Son to die for my sins on His Cross. I accept Your gift and in exchange, I give you my old self and am now Born Again. Thank You Father-God, thank you!”

        • In Jesus name, Amen

      26. Eisen,

        I want to take exception to your negative comments regarding We the Boomers. I am on the tail end of the boomers. When the time comes that I would have been retired, I fully expect the collapse will have been near completion and I will not be able to retire. I fully expect that I might have to work until I have one foot in the grave, and that chances are high that I won’t receive any of the social security money that I have been forced to contribute over the years. This despite the fact that I worked full-time all through my child bearing years and would have liked to stay home when my children were young. That was not in the cards for me because DH had a long time health condition and we had to both work. You keep lumping everyone in the same pot and you are just a very ignorant, uniformed and hateful little person at times. Please get your facts straight and stop blaming those that are not responsible for the country’s downfall– that would be politicians and banksters driving us over the cliff financially.

        Country girl

        • @ Country Girl. Someone like this has a mind that long ago left like a cuckoo leaving a clock. I hope someone spots this nut before they act on whatever they are planning to go to get “those boomers”. This is what you refer to as your classic town psychopath, like your regular mongoloid village idiot.

          • BI, I know you’re being serious regarding eisen, but I just choked on your statement about a cuckoo leaving a clock. that one is a classic. I will remember it.

          • BI,

            Reminds me of an old poem:

            Under the spreading chestnut tree,
            Eisen the Idiot sat,
            amusing himself by abusing himself,
            and catching the results in his hat.

          • ah, yes, “see something, say something” comes to mind. NSA, where are you when you are needed? Eisen needs to be watched as he is a loose cannon waiting to fire.

        • Country girl, thank you for your support of us ‘boomers’. eisen is not normal.

        • +1 Country Girl,
          Same here, am tail end of the boomers,
          I will NEVER be able to retire.
          Punks like eisendipshit are a bigger problem than You or I.
          They represent the decline of our society.

          • Exactly Kula

            I’m tired of his same, uninformed,sniveling. whiney ass,BS and malarkey time and time again. Boomers did not cause the collapse! Get it! Dirty, bought-off politicians (93%) in my humble opinion,and opportunistic bankers and financial people (including that dirty FED RESERVE)caused this and are still perpetuating fraud on the people. I read a good article on Silver Bear Cafe months ago– can’t remember the author- Said that people are dumb,distracted or in denial. I think it’s probably pretty true. I used to be distracted in my 30’s and 40’s. Busy raising kids and working full-time, and going back to school doesn’t leave loads of time for intellectual pursuits relevant to learning what was really going on in the banking/financial world and why we were being scammed by the FED. Today’s kids are distracted by the Kardashians and Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. Bread and Circuses. Eisen is just in the Dumb category. Can’t figure that Boomers- hard working folks like you and me who paid their taxes and contributed to society did not cause the problem

            Country girl

            • Your a numbnuts,
              Take a hike you fucking punk

            • Ive paid over a hundred thousand dollars into SS, and Medi over my lifetime, i sure as fuck deserve some of it back, you on the other hand are dead weight.

              • Read the law. You are entitled to NOTHING. Yet you keep sending the same gang back. How long have the honorable senators from HI been in office?

            • Well, you ought to know, LITTLE RED EISEN. Or is it Karl Marx Eisenkreuz?

            • Eisen,

              And another thing– The big gov solutions pushed by progressives (Dem and Republicans alike) are to a big degree responsible.

              So in some respects we agree. It wasn’t just “boomers” as you infer that voted for this crap. Many were people looking for help for the suffering masses- children and people suffering from societal change. they mean well, but sometimes people learn best to be self-sufficient if they do suffer a little.

              You are correct that college is being pushed to the masses. Many of us midwesterners would prefer that more folks are trained in trade arts. College is not for everyone, and if more kids were trained in trades, learned to work, and then went to college society would probably benefit.
              Your hateful comments don’t enhance your argument. Again, whiney , snivelling , you are a little person by your own example

              Country girl

            • I think the problem is, a lot of young people see no future and they have to blame someone…naturally, its their parents/ people in that age group. His reasoning is illogical, of course. He’s simply frustrated and has to blame someone. Its all very sad. He doesn’t realize that its our generation thats tried to fix things…

              • @An, Braveheart, BI &Others: You guys have so many great ideas on prepping/survival topics…

                I just cannot figure out why you all are letting one little guy ‘suck you in’ this way ….

                Some of us just read and ‘walk on by’ E’s comments….if we would ALL just do that, he would leave us alone so that we can get back ‘to the business at hand’….Can you at least JUST TRY IT??? Thank You, LOA

          • never say never. Im 63 and I retired. I receive $1068.00 per month from the Social security Ponzi scheme. And We can get by on a $100 per week. If I can do it its possible for others to be able also.

            • @old guy

              If SS still exists by then, then so be it. If we have a hyperinflationary event as some of the more astute ( and honest economists) suggest, then what you are paid in SS wont buy much more than a loaf of bread. Hope it doesn’t come to that.

              The purpose of my posts is to get people to really put their money where it matters now.

              If all this mess doesn’t come to pass, Your $$ will go even further because you know how to do more for less.

              Learning the life skills will be important: Many kids these days only cook with a microwave– that’s ok when there is a plentiful food supply, but that won’t last.

              Cooking (from scratch)
              How to balance a checkbook.(the internet may not always work)

              Country girl

        • eisenturd, how would you know? and why would you even care? You’re not even a halfway decent American.

        • And WTF have you done other than nothing?

        • Us boomers have been sending the same gang back to DC for decades. Melinnials didn’t send Waxman back for 19 more terms, did they?

          • Not this boomer. Nor anybody I know. But I know that Waxman has the support of a lot of post-boomers, illegal aliens, and ah, how you say, inner city ethnics?

        • Eisen,

          Complacency came from a number of societal factors, not just in “boomer” generation. Many of my generation remembers when you could walk down a street in many larger cities and not get regularly mugged. We could leave our doors unlocked at night, stay outside all day and not come home till the street lights came on.
          As time went on and the American family changed to more single family households, the needs of the household changed. We went away from the anchoring base of religion (Myself included) Easing of credit restrictions and lower interest rates encouraged people to buy homes, later on with easy credit== Mc Mansions that folks could not afford. People bought toys they could not afford on credit. The young in America have grown up with things that the “boomers” could only dream of. Many of my generation remember 3 channels on tv and no air conditioning. We grew up without.

          The easing of credit and fast easy money was a big part of this. Who is responsible? BOA, JP MORGAN- ie big banks that stand to profit big time. They hooked the masses not just “boomers” We are going to get the big reset soon.
          I can adjust. I will just live like my grandparents lived during the great depression.

          Country girl

          • Eisen, I’m sure they’ll try to clamp down, but they’ll fail because the manpower is not there. there will be a reset but only after civil war 2 has taken place.

        • But some of us voted democrat! Some voted republican; some voted independent. The people who ran for elections are bought and paid for by the bankers, fossil fuel industry, etc. Do you have enough money to put someone up for election who has the best interest of the citizens at heart? We don’t. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO WE VOTED FOR! THOSE RUNNING FOR ELECTIONS WERE PAID FOR BY THE ELITE!

          If that’s your line of reasoning: we boomers were complacent and no other generation was complacent (including your generation), then the question is: what have YOU DONE that wasn’t complacent? Have you gone out protesting, started a revolution, or done ANYTHING?

          • Eisencrews you sure have educated my Cuz, but not in a good way. Cuz Braveheart did’nt even use to cuss, but now he knows how to do it with them there symbols. Wish you could educate him in some other way.

        • Are you one of the boomers who think retirement should be a 25 year paid vacation?

          • BB
            Only if God gives me 25 years after I retire.
            But just to piss you off. I retired at age 52, and I plan on living if the Good Lord allows it to around 100
            and that will give me a 48 year pension.

        • Eisenkreuz just might have a point about us babyboomers (I being at the tail end). We’ve been in positions of leadership for over twenty years now. Look what has happened.

          The rich have gotten richer. We elect morons. We’ve allowed 50000+ men and women suffer devastating injuries for arguably two useless wars. The economy is in shambles. There is an evil cancer from within this country that is tearing it apart. And worst of all, we allow leadership to even entertain balancing our needs on the backs of future generations.

          And even if you / we say that we didn’t do it…or it isn’t our fault…. The fact of the matter is that we allowed it to happen… And in that sense, we have miserably failed

          Sometimes looking in the mirror is difficult. Just sayin.

          • How did I “allow” anything to happen? How would I stop any of it from happening? If I vote, the worst choice wins. If I don’t vote, the worst choice wins. I go to the primary, but there’s no choice because the media has made all but one candidate give up. I don’t have the big bucks to run myself, as if I would have a chance anyway. Anyone who tries to make major changes winds up dead. You vote for someone who says they will change things. As soon as they arrive in DC, they start voting with the crowd so they can get invited to all the parties.

            Grouping people by age doesn’t describe reality. You forget that the people from the generation before the baby boomers is still here in the millions, and their main information source is the media. And the media tells them over and over that any conservative that runs is going to take their Social Security. AARP tells them the same thing. And there are all the people born from 1966 to 1995 who also vote.

            So you say one age group from a 20-year period (1946-1965) has caused all the problems, not the other age groups which cover a 50-year period (1925-1946 and 1966 to 1995)?

            The grouping should be conservative versus liberal, and liberals outnumber conservatives, especially with the handout crowd and the illegal immigrants. I don’t see any way to change things without violence.

            So I don’t think I have failed.

          • How many Sybil Eisens are there out there?
            Inquiring minds want to know?
            Could it be that Sybil, NC JOKER, babyboomerssuck, etc are the same person?

      27. Let me see. I have noticed in these comments up to here, that there seems little that a woman is good for.
        Just wondering who takes care of the children in these types situation? The injusred and sick? While the men are out and about, who makes sure that food suplies are prepared and rationed? If you have a family, are they “out and about”- taggin along. It would be nice to hear from some women who have been through a SHIFT experience. Perhaps there is something we can do besides, well, you know. After reading “Savage Continent” I do realize some of that certianly does occure during a SHIFT. I’m not sure I could do any of what Selco speaks on. Does he have any women w/kids who could post some info. Then again, maybe I’m just a wuss and I’ll be gone quick. Home to be with my Lord.

        • Grandee
          Taking care of the kids is the most important part of this whole thing. They are why we are doing what we are doing.
          In Our group the women are going to carry firearms and do guard duty with the men.
          If you know anything about what I have said in the past. My wife will be hunting fishing along with the men and except that the other women in the group also be doing the same.
          I learned a long time ago that women are just as if not more important than the men. I plan on using their expertise to help the group survive. I have found out that in a lot of thing they are better at it than the men.,

          • JBGT

          • Same here. My better-half owns her own gun. One that she chose after trying many different types. More often than not, she accompanies me to the shooting range. You better believe that post-shtf, she will be armed and participating in the watch.

        • All those close encounters are going to produce children…that’s why my nickname is “the midlife midwife” ! Lol…..

      28. @Be Informed:

        Michael Maykrantz was on duty at a fire house on 74th street in Ocean City when the floor began to shake and the doors started to rattle.

        At Bart Rader’s house in Ocean Pines, a loud boom “like somebody blew something up” preceded shaking so heavy that it rattled a 50-pound metal sculpture against the wall.

        Miles away in Annapolis, Ocean City Mayor Rick Meehan was meeting in state Sen. James Mathias’ office when he got a text message from his daughter: “What the heck was that?”

        A series of tremors rattled residents across Ocean City and the lower Delmarva Peninsula around midday Thursday, puzzling geologists and emergency managers. Within a few hours, geologists ruled out an earthquake, and by Thursday evening, signs pointed to supersonic jets flying from the Patuxent Naval Air Station.

        Air station officials said Friday two jets were in the air off the coast at the time the rumbling was felt, and that weather conditions made it likely that sonic booms could have traveled further than normal.

        The phenomenon nevertheless mystified many, including Maykrantz.

        “We’ve had sonic booms in town before, but this seemed different,” said the firefighter and paramedic. “It was more sustained, and then there was a pause for about a minute and then it started again.”

        Ocean City police dispatchers received more than a dozen calls by noon from residents reporting a loud boom and violent shaking shortly before noon, though a police spokeswoman said she didn’t feel anything.

        Most immediately thought of an earthquake, remembering the 5.8 magnitude temblor centered in Virginia on August 23, 2011, that also shook the Delmarva peninsula.

        “We are hearing reports of a possible earthquake in Ocean City, MD. That is unconfirmed at this time,” the Maryland Emergency Management Agency posted on Twitter.

        The Maryland Geological Survey quickly confirmed sensing the rumbling on its sensors in Reisterstown. To triangulate the source or magnitude of a possible earthquake, they conferred with seismologists in Virginia, Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey, said Maryland Geological Survey Director Richard Ortt.

        “When the Earth moves, you get certain kinds of waves,” Ortt said.

        The only earthquake on record in Ocean City occurred Oct. 15, 1928, according to the Maryland Geological Survey.

        But the seismographs didn’t show the “signature” of an earthquake, Ortt said — a buildup lasting a few seconds before the violent shaking began, and then secondary and tertiary waves afterward. In this case, that pattern was not evident.

        Scientists at both Columbia University and the University of Maryland, College Park, confirmed that no earthquake took place.

        Seismologists also ruled out a frost quake.

        Yes, a frost quake. The phenomena known as cryoseisms have produced shaking and the sounds of exploding bombs across the northern United States this winter. They can occur after frigid weather, when frozen soil, rocks or water violently crack, and have been known to reach magnitudes as high as 1.5.

        But that’s not what happened in Ocean City where temperatures were close to freezing much of the day. Frost quakes have been common this winter in the iceboxes of Minnesota, Illinois and Canada.

        That left some sort of man-made blast or boom.

        Quarry blasts or surface explosions contrast with earthquakes on seismograph readings, appearing as sudden temblors, Ortt said. But there were none known of nearby.

        Sonic waves also are commonly known to be mistaken for earthquakes, but officials at Dover Air Force base to the north and NASA Wallops Flight Facility to the south on the Delmarva said they had no activity to report.

        Late in the day, the Navy owned up to scheduling two supersonic flights off the Atlantic coast Thursday from its test flight facility at Patuxent Naval Air Station in Southern Maryland.

        That explanation satisfied the Maryland Geological Survey.

        “At this time, we are confident that the supersonic flights were the cause of the felt reports,” Ortt said in an e-mail about 6 p.m. Thursday.

        Base spokeswoman Connie Hempel said Friday that the jets, an F-35C and an F/A-18, were in the air from about 9:20 a.m. to 12:20 p.m. along a strip of airspace that runs along the Delmarva, up to 12 miles off the coast and 3 miles away at its closest. Weather officials at the base said the sonic booms the aircraft created could have likely traveled further than normal because a temperature inversion was in place, when there is warm air aloft holding colder air in place below, with calm winds and recent passage of a cold front, Hempel said.

        Test aircraft from the air station make supersonic flights almost daily in the airspace off of the Delmarva shore, and the sonic booms they create are rarely felt on land, officials said.

        Some nevertheless wonder if there wasn’t something more mysterious. Rader said similar rumblings occur once every three or six months, and Thursday’s was the most intense yet.

        “We’ve never got one like today,” he said.

        Tribune reporters Michelle Deal-Zimmerman and Paresh Dave contributed to this report.

        • Any sudden temperature change can cause this type of frost earthquake. Inb many parts of the country, especially South Dakota you can have a temperature rise of 100 degrees or more in one day from what is called a Chinook Wind, like what is a Santa Ana out in California. It is when the air falls very rapidly and compresses like a bicycle pump. Temperatures can actually rise 50 degrees in less than a hour. If there is a significant amount of ice and/or snow on the ground and surfaces, you have these reactions to the temperature. Not as dramatic, but like putting a very cold glass dish suddenly in very hot water.

          • There ain’t enough elevation change in S.D. topography for the, B.I.

            • In Spearfish South Dakota on Jan.22, 1943 the temperature at 7:30 was -4, and two minutes later after the Chinook winds hit the temperature rose to 45 degrees. This is a world record for the fastest temperature change in the shortest amount of time. In Loma, Montana on Jan.15, 1972 the temperature went up from-54 to 49 degrees in one day. People’s windshields on their cars and their home windows cracked because of this massive temperature change. South Dakota on the western side has the topography from Wyoming mountains to the west of them to allow for this compression of air and cause these winds.

        • I’m truly starting to think that someone found the crate with the Tesla “earthquake machine”. Too many unusual earthquakes lately.

      29. I couldn’t help reading this article in Russian accent! – LOL

        • I’ll take Selco over eisenturd any day. Selco is intelligent and awesome. Eisen is not.

      30. There you go rambling again Eisen..Alsheimers setting in.

      31. I notice that Mr. E has a lot of names right now:
        how to get rid of this lunatic guy?

        1. eisenfreak
        2. eisendipsh$t
        3. eisenalsheimers
        4. eisencoward

        • He mentioned he was going to order a pizza when SHTF so I came up with eisencrust (and it’s not filled with cheese)

        • America is not about silencing anyone’s voice. In my America everyone has a right to their opinion and perspective. How about yours?

          Magnify your voice in a group. Increase your personal power in an organization. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Let your Barnhardt out! 🙂

        • Sybil Eisen should be the name we call him….

        • How about red thumb queen!

        • eisenfuck…

      32. Everybody Must Get Stoned

        I’m sorry, but for me I’d rather have my wits about me when the SHTF and not in a pot-induced haze (no condemnation or judging those who do smoke weed). Maybe that’s why this whole legalization of marjiuna is taking hold in our country-part of the NWO plan. I think a comedian (George Carlin perhaps) nailed it regarding those oxygen masks that drop from the overhead in a plane-peaceful as a (edit) cow laying by the stream and then BOOM militarized police come crashing through your door, round you up, and off to the FEMA camp you go. (?)

        • It shows in your posts that it has made you braindead like the rest of the dope smokers,,,

          • On the highway, I’d rather meet a dope smoker than a drunk any time.

            • I don’t want to meet either one of them, they are both impaired and shouldn’t be at the wheel.

        • I’d love to see eisen go away.

      33. From MXLord327:
        “This is why I’ve never really like the terms “prepper” or “survivalist.”

        Later in your post you said to “adapt”…from now on I’m calling myself an Adaptist!

        • Very Nice!!!

      34. Classification as a ‘Prepper’ or “Survialist’ do not really acurately describe who will best survive in a collapse. Able-ist will survive because they are able to do things which can keep them alive. Able to see danger coming, able to prepare, able to solve problems and fix things, able to grow their own food and have marketable skills. The ‘Zombies’ or ‘Sheeple’ will be the Unable. Unable to do what is needed to survive.

      35. How many preps could a prepnut prep if a prepnut could prep nuts?

        • Four

      36. Yes, being able to make that quick decision in a crisis situation is a good thing. Hopefully it is the right one.

        However, even a survivalist needs a little luck every now and then.

        I still say, be purposeful in your actions which at times could seem cruel, but don’t be evil. I believe that having the over whelming belief/determination that you (I) is going to get through this alive, is 1/2 the battle.

        Everybody be safe

      37. The one thing that you CAN count on is that it will never be what you think it’s going to be.

        If it were predictable it would not be survival, it would just be living.

      38. Word of the month: smiggen

        • Do you mean smidgen?

      39. A friend of mine dropped an African guy off in the middle of nowhere to wait for the bus in the bush country. He asked the African what time the bus was supposed to show up. The African replied, Tuesday, Boss. It was Sunday. He was going to sit in the bush for a few days waiting for the bus. His only worry? He hoped no leapords came by in the dark. Cherish what you have. He wasn’t even worried about the mambas and puff adders.

      40. In Selco’s case there was total collapse of government and the subsequent loss of the command & control structure. Everything plunged into chaos because no one was in charge of anything.

        It is my opinion that something similar to this is very unlikely to happen in the US. Although it would be nice to see all of Rebuplocrats and Demicans along with the fearless leader forced out of office, get on a boat and sail off for parts unknown, the chances of that happening are slim… those boys aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.

        If chaos comes to the US it is more likely to come as the result a huge natural disaster or a large scale nuclear attack. It would have to be large enough so as to render the FEMA mechanism ineffective. This would leave isolated pockets of survivors who would then have to fend for themselves while restoring some sort of order in their areas.

        • Governments WILL crash. They won’t be able to survive… that’s why all their preparations– they know their time is limited. Like old dinosaurs whose time has come.

        • Selco has a new article over at his site –
          A new one about the current riots in Bosnia
          Relevant information!

      41. NO MWD-MilitaryWorkingDog K-9 WARDOG LEFT BEHIND … except when fighting a bunch of AL-CIA-DUH Opium Farmers in Afghanistan …

        Taliban Take US Military Dog Prisoner

        The Taliban claims to have taken a military working dog as a prisoner in a video where Taliban members show off the dog and rifles supposedly obtained after a firefight with U.S. forces in December.

        A NATO spokesman has confirmed U.S. forces have been missing a working dog since December, which adds credibility to the Taliban’s claim. However, NATO officials would not confirm if the dog in the video was one affiliated with a coalition unit.

        “We can confirm that a military working dog went missing following an ISAF mission in December, 2013. It is ISAF policy to defer identification to the appropriate national authorities,” NATO’s International Security Assistance Force-Afghanistan said in a statement sent to

        Someone please save Rover !


      42. Thanks to Selco for sharing experiences that I could never imagine. It will take a completely new mindset to survive a long term shtf situation. Supplies are easy, the had hearted part is tough. Good luck and God bless all.

      43. Defensible Retreat:

        Will the retreat hold all of the people who are likely to use it?

        Does the retreat provide inherent protection from nuclear,
        biological, and chemical threats?

        Is water available independent of any municipal supply or source?

        Do I know how I will preserve my food?

        Have I identified how I will heat and cook?

        Is it possible to safely store food, clothing, explosives, guns,
        and ammunition at the retreat?

        Can the location be secured now before it is actually manned
        during the collapse?

        Does it have adequate facilities? Can all these people wash
        occasionally? Will the toilets work?

        Can the retreat be obscured and hidden, now and after the
        fighting starts?

        Do any neighbors or friends outside of those who will be using
        the retreat know of its existence?

        Have I devised a workable defense plan?

        Can the area be patrolled?

        Is the retreat actually defensible or am I just kidding myself?

        Can the approaches be mined and guarded?

        Do I have the proper equipment to guard them?

        Is the retreat in an area where I can raise a garden, scrounge,
        and generally set up a viable existence after the collapse?

        Do I have a library in the retreat?

        Is the library good enough to provide the information needed
        after the collapse? If not, what books do I still need?

        Do I have adequate amounts of everything to implement my mine
        field and mantrap plans for the retreat, given a fair and honest
        evaluation of what I will probably have to face?

        What about medical supplies and information? Have I got that

        Have I provided for nuclear/biological monitoring? Do I have
        Geiger counters, dosimeters, etc.?

        Do I have decontamination suits so at least some of my people can
        leave the retreat to guard, patrol, and take care of outside

        Have I made plans to keep hordes of people from coming anywhere
        near my area?

        Have I evaluated my people and attempted to fit them into the
        various duties the best way possible?

        Am I psychologically equipped to defend my retreat? Can I
        actually shoot intruders?

        Does everyone know which situations will actually trigger the
        defense plan and when to set off the mines and explosives and
        start shooting?

        Do I have a stock of barter goods? Are they properly stored?

        Do I know how everyone will get to the retreat? Do that have a
        least one alternative contingency plan for getting to the
        retreat, preferably two?

        Have I evaluated the various thread possibilities and then made
        realistic plans to counter them, especially the nonconfrontive,
        nonmilitary threats?

        Are the immediate approaches to my retreat such that they can be
        made impassable by booby traps or just plain physical means?

        Do I know how much time it will take to close the approaches and
        who will be in charge of this job?

        Do I have a battle plan that fits everyone into the defense

        Do I know the warning signs that will indicate that it is time to
        put my retreat plan into operation?

        Do I have the correct guns and enough ammunition or have I been
        swept away by the armament gurus into believing tons of hardware
        can replace the right amount of the proper equipment?

        Have I planned for retreat communications?

        Do I know what means and material the enemy will have at his
        disposal or even who the enemy is, in a realistic sense?

        Have I put together a psychological plan to keep people away and
        discourage them if they do attack?

        Have I planned for special medical/dietary needs of the group?

        Have I taken care of my group’s current medical/dental
        requirements so these won’t be of immediate concern after the

        Do I know how to handle explosives safely?

        reload ammunition?

        operate and repair guns?

        Am I skilled in using alternative means of transportation?

        Am I highly motivated and self-confident?

        Do I know my home territory?

        Have I tried to look at defeating my retreat from the eyes of an

        Is the retreat adequately stocked with tools and utensils for use
        in the new economy?

        Do I know where to get the consumable items we will need such as
        light bulbs, grease, oil, toilet paper, soap, canning lids, salt,
        needles, and thread? Have I thought about these items in terms
        of my retreat?

        Are fires a danger? If so, what can I do to counter that threat?

        Is blast a danger? Will my retreat withstand an explosion?

        Can I properly evaluate situations? Am I prone to hysteria or

        Do I have a continuing survival training program?

        Have I studied other collapsed societies and how people are

        Have I made plans to defend against heavy equipment such as tanks
        and helicopters, if that becomes necessary?

        Is it possible for attackers to sneak up on my retreat unseen, or
        more importantly, for them to detect my retreat without exposing

        Do I know how to use fish, game, and wild plants in my area?

        Do I know how to garden in my area?

        Just some thoughts. It’s your life—make it count.

        Remember after all is said—YOU’RE ON YOUR OWN.

        • Be there to get there. Just saying. 🙂

      44. Hey Eisen, Aren’t you late for your local circle jerk (meat)ing.

      45. Using chipped and cracked canning jars as a

        Better root cuttings, and give some plants a stronger start in life.

        Once your cutting is trimmed like you like it, and is treated with your rooting compound such as willow water or that white stuff sold commercially in a bottle that’s almost all chemical: I poke a hole and waler it out using a big heavy duty screwdriver.

        Into that hole I carefully insert my cutting, making sure you don’t knock off
        the rooting compound if you use that white commercial stuff.
        Over top of that cutting you invert a glass canning jar that fits the cutting: leaving air space all the way around the cutting, making sure it does NOT touch the glass anywhere. If it touches the glass the cutting inside the jar will freeze.

        You want the jar imbeded in the soil at least up to the 2nd thread, and if you bury the jar completely over all the jars threads, that’s okay too so long as the cutting does not touch the glass jar anywhere.

        Once that is done, you’ll want to heap wheat straw mulch around the outside of that glass jar to better protect the rooting process as well as seducing worms into the soil around that new cutting.

        There is no finer “fertilizer” than worm castings. And under mulch, under that glass jar, the soil is warmer providing worms a place to munch compost all winter during daylight hours.

        You can also grow certain vegetables this same way and extend your salad season far into winter if you don’t have thick snow covers that will bury that glass top.

        Hope this helps you root your own cuttings, and get more plants cheaper than having to purchase them.

      46. Shhh. I think Eisen went to bed already.

      47. Selco lays it all out, once again….well done.
        Just as the saying goes- “Your attitude determines your altitude”- many of our worst enemies are ourselves.
        Everyone has seen those moments in movies where the apparent ‘leader’ has their meltdown moment when asked “What are we going to do we do now?” There is a awkward silence with all eyes fixed on that person and they slowly and quietly reply- “I don’t know”. The main thing is to know your limits and those of the people around you that count on you. Leaders rise to the occasion and are oftentimes thrown into the fray. NOBODY has all the answers, nobody! Horrible circumstances will be thrust upon us all… what matters is how you choose to react.

        Just the other night I had an encounter with a stranger at my door late at night. My first thoughts were WHY is someone I don’t know at my door this late? I called my neighbors and we were soon all ‘aware’ of this newcomer in our midst. I was mentally preparing myself in case they decided to force their way in. I was NOT looking forward to ending anyone’s life, but I also had to quickly think about the possibility. My adrenaline went from relaxed to pumped… in about 10 seconds. I was on edge for quite awhile, keyed up, listening to every noise and thinking worst case scenarios, but still hoping for the best. After later reviewing the security footage, it was a lone man out with a clipboard, probably selling something or other. Or was he? His timing was piss-poor, as it was quite dark and late.
        You can *never* assume things are as they appear at first glance…ever. There could have easily been a group of thugs, just around the corner and if I had opened the door…that might have been it. NEVER drop your guard, not even for a minute. Yes, you have to live your life, but don’t second guess your instincts- if something doesn’t feel right….or the hair raises on the back of your neck, those are primal. animal instincts and they may save your life if you don’t ignore them.

        Moral of the story: The guy with the clipboard was not ‘selling’ anything. A neighbor called the police and they later apprehended the man a few blocks over with a clipboard full of NOTES complete with addresses.
        Notes like-
        -NO ADT signs or cameras
        -NO dogs
        -Nobody home, no answer at xx:xx o’clock
        -x number of cars in driveway
        -area not lit very well.
        -cul-de-sac, few neighbors

        …And NO he didn’t wok for ADT.
        As you can see, the man was CASING the neighborhood, for future visits, most likely. When the knock comes on the door or the doorbell rings, do you always waltz over and throw the door open? THAT will get you killed. Ask Selco- you have to be smarter than that.

        A few things you can get for fairly CHEAP:
        -Driveway alert/announcer at Harbor freight. low cost, easy way to setup up a wireless perimeter for driveways, sidewalks and fences.

        -Security cameras and DVR. Many systems are only 199.99 now, Yes those are low end, but are still better than nothing. Go for the better, hi-res ones if you can with longer IR range at night, like 130-175 ft. YOu will be amazed what you can see in total darkness.

        -Motion/ Security lights. Coleman makes a GREAT dual LED Solar powered unit that is 600 lumens and has motion detection. No wires, you just mount it up high and let it do it’s thing. It’s bright enough that you cannot stare at it in the dark without shielding your eyes. Instant on, instant bright, you will like it when it’s night!

        before I sign off, just wanted to say I’m thankful for all the posters here that share insight, knowledge and even stories and jokes here- these are the things that make the human condition bearable. Many thanks to @Mac, Selco, BeInformed, 1Braveheart, eppe and so many others.

        Well, I’ve rambled on long enough, just wanted to say thanks again to the great community here, you folks ROCK!

        • We have several of the solar motion detector lites and they are great! Good if you have a location with no elec. to hook into

          Country girl

          • And a solar battery charger is a good investment.

        • A few empty food or soda cans makes one heck of a racket. When the power is out, before going to bed, I make a small can pyramid (just 3 cans) in front of each door to my home. The doors can’t open without making a huge racket.

      48. @ Everybody.

        First of all I want to wish braveheart all the best about his situation that was dire that everything will immediately get better.

        Next I want to address just how totally crazy and totally out of touch that lunatic Mr E is. In the previos post this insane nut wish that my lungs would be burned by volcanic ash, that my chidlren would grow up gay and that he would F my mother, all with three you son of a bitch rants in between. I did not retaliate like I should have. This was all because I simply responded to Npgh about sodomy and how disease is rapidly spread throught human history because of it. Every single past orgy in the past has had a epidemic of sickness soon to follow. ANY college history class can verify this.

        That nut cannot stand the truth about homosexual activity causing disease. This is not gay bashing, this is science fact. The Noro virus is all over the place and spread mainly by one reason, fecal material. A search engine will describe the Noro virus and how difficult it is to be sanitized away. People engaging in sodomy are prime carriers of this because it has to do with sh$%. This was not directed at Mr.E, over the Edge. Only trying to show that major religions have it right that sodomy is not only a sin, it is a disease spreader and partially making many antibiotics worthless because of the mass overuse of them to fight infections from people coming into direct contact with fecal material that is loaded with just about every noxious bacteria there is. That is why they call it human WASTE.

        I left ExtraKrazy alone until this crackpot once again talked about baby boomers dying off, AGAIN. This character in ITS mind “THINKS” that he is defending himself when he was the sole people that started this attack on everyone born between 1946 and 1964, again. People get sick and tired of hearing this rantings and when they stick up and talk back against this psychopath, they are the ones that are the aggressors against “POOR” Mr. E.

        This is very common in mass killers that they are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. They see ONLY what they want to see and anyone that gets in their way they react with violence and hate. You typical serial killer.

        Anyone doubting this can read some of these lunatic comments from past articles about desperately wanting hundreds of millions of people to die based on solely an age, a gender, or some other whacked out notion like they are preventing Mr. E. to skateboard wildly on the sidewalk because the nut might run into an elderly person or some child. No this doesn’t matter, in Mr E’s totally warped mind they deserve to die because they did not totally agree with what is left in his mind.

        Look up traits of a serial killer and you will be amazed just how this mirrors Mr. E. The schizo traits are very much there also in which there seems to be a least three different personalities fighting to come out, and that do. This is not your common troll, this is a very, very, very mentally sick individual. I appeal to what is left of Mr.E’s mind to seek immediate help before it is too late. At least go talk to a good qualified psychiatrist, just talk about why Mr. E. wants so many innocent people to die.

        • Be Informed & Braveheart

          As a casual observer and commenter as well..

          Please cease and desist any replies to eisen as “it” appears to be nothing more than a troll goading you folks into off topic appears to enjoy your responses and resulting remarks..

          You both contribute some valuable insight to this site..and I almost always agree with your contributions over the years…

          That being said,,,I’ve encountered similar fools over the years on other sites and just chose to completely ignore all insults headed my way..

          As the old saying goes..”don’t feed the trolls”

          They are everywhere..and will continue their attacks as along as you respond..

          They will wish you and your families extreme harm and thoroughly enjoy pushing our buttons…

          Fuck em all..

          Keep on posting..

          Enjoy the day..


          • Possecom,
            I agree with you completely. I trust BI & BH but If Sybil is only one person ( I believe not ) he ( she) is winning the war on them by defeating them from within their own bodies. The tactic is to cause stress and inflammation within the immune system resulting in an unknown number of medical issues. It is a long and slow process. As a N.P. I would prescribe that everyone press the red thumb immediately even if the comment is a valid and constructive. Sybil is like a Doberman Pincer. Lovable until the teeth are exposed. I gave him plenty of time and he has lost any respect I could have bestowed upon him.
            Take Care,
            — Miss Dee Dee

            • Never argue with an idiot – they’ll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.

              • JJ
                You are correct:
                Its like arguing with a drunk, or a druggies.
                They have no way to contemplate what the hell is going on around them. They also jump from subject to subject, and most of them have nothing to do with what is going on. E. is one of them. I think if we just give him a thumbs down and not respond to him he will go away.
                Once in a while he will be human. 2% of the time the other 98% he is just a n IDIOT!

                • “It’s”

              • Boy do I ever know that!

          • @ possee. I did ignore this character even after the comment of how I deserved to have my lungs melted from volcanic ash. It was when this comment about boomers dying is what set me off.

            People like Canadian Vet, Kulafarmer, and many others become very upset over this type of comment. They can choose to ignore this, but they still have to see this before it is collapsed. These are good people and don’t have to put up with this crap without someone showing that they are in their corner. Life is stressful enough. I have seen when people ignore Mr. E and this just means more attacks like over 3 weeks ago on the BO article. This is not our regular troll, this is a psycho that demands that it is right no matter what. Most trolls just want a reaction, this nut actually wants very badly for people to die. Like the year 2525 said, Mr. E. commented that 100 million dead would be “cool”.

            A troll just wants a reaction. This person goes absolutely crazy when anything is mentioned about the disease of sodomy that is spread throughout the population. Something I was simply talking about to another contributor of the site. Not directed at him, just an observation of what I am seeing especially with the rampant outbreak of the Noro virus that is embedded in a reservior that is fecal material. Sodomy is all about crap and the unsafe contact with it. This is why religions have labeled it as a sin, throughout history this practice has brought plagues upon the population and this is a lesson that is still unlearned of history. Now you have a society truly encouraging this perversion instead of teaching people about just how dangerous to health it is.

            Anything such as this brings out the other, one of many, personalities of schizo E. People eventually tell the truth about what they are and the way they fell. Just look at the above comment in which this person admits that they are bisexual, probably a slip of the tongue. I don’t hate the LGBT community, I just try to point out that what they engage is filthy and spreads disease and people need to be aware of this rather than hide this behind political correctness. Like this truth, the fact that Mr. E actually wanting masses of people dead is what this very mental ill person absolutely wants. A troll is like a screaming Cocktoo bird in a cage that wants attention. This individual wants people dead, a lot of people dead, the more the better. This is what is most alarming, we are actually talking to the next possible mass murderer. This truth is being brought out and maybe it will save people from this nut actually being able to act one day.

            If anything maybe this lunatic will go back into their shell of delusion and possibly get some badly needed mental help. At least talk to a qualified psychiatrist that can help this mentally sick person understand why they want so many people to die.

            • Eisen, if you have blind, unquestioning faith in anything academics and other ‘elites’ say about anything, then I know you’re a lost cause. You’re straight out of the commie loony bin. Yes, you’re exactly the kind of ‘useful idiot’ the NWO loves to have.

          • Possee, you are right. BI,BH, your comments and observations are some of the best. Don’t Allow E and his/her cousins to distract you and lead you down the ‘low road’. E can be amusing and has even said somethings that make sense but he appears to have some major unresolved issues and deep psychiatric problems that need professional attention that can’t be provided at this site. E, get help soon before it is too late.

        • Just quit giving him free rent in your head. I think it is actually more than one person. Likely a government plant. Don’t respond just give its post a thumbs down.

          • Old Guy,
            True – My thoughts exactly – No person would be that antagonistic. Unless of course as BI states that he is very sick of mind.
            — Miss Dee Dee

          • Why even read a post by ‘Isin&cruise’??
            That is acknowledging the post—why bother??
            Just scroll on by and it will not close this site because if you persist, this site will die; I’ve seen that happen and that is the intent of the trolls.
            Wisen up, folks.

            • I’m tired of scrolling past half the sites on here.
              I don’t even read BI any longer.
              I don’t need to be preached to or lectured.
              I come here to learn the nation’s news and news from this community.

              • 38 lines dedicated to Isincruise?? Now, who is possessed??

          • Well said,OG.

        • Political correctness of people not being able to talk about being attacked by many, NOT ALL by any means, of these sicko pedophiles is what has driven many innocent people to suicide that have been victimized by these evil pedophiles. Just like the South Park cartoon that send the kids to Tolerance Camp for trying to tell their parents about two perverts acting out beyond sick homosexual practices like shovelling a gerbil up the ass of the other. They were labeled as intolerant and gay bashers including getting tagged with discrimination. This cartoon is something that is showing what is happening with society, not allowing the truth to be known.

          Throughout history, sodomy and orgies have lead to mass outbreaks of every venereal disease there is, bacterial infections that have spread to the rest of the population, and intestinal and waste organ viruses like the Noro. Yet we are not allowed to talk about this because it offends a certain group of people? People on cruise lines and restraurants are constantly getting really sick because of those that either are too stupid to wash their hands and/or because sodomy is out of control. Talk about people unnecessarily suffering.

          IF people don’t choose their sexuality, they don’t have to still choose to act on it. NO ONE EVER needs to participate in an orgy. This is a proven fact that it is a rapid disease spreader to the whole population. It is still rare to see monogamous relationships even in states that allow gay marriage. The mere term bisexual means monogamous anything does not exist in them. This is still a free country, and they can engage in this sickness, but people can also still bring up the fact that this spreads germs like a plague. That is until political correctness TRIES TO override the First Amendment.

          This is besides the point. I and no one else is talking about wiping out entire populations of people because they are a certain age like Mr. E does constantly. Actually looking forward to seeing people die. That is the real issue, someone that needs mental help like people need air to breathe.

          • Thank you for just proving everything I say about perversion by confessing to be in orgies. People that engage in orgies are sick in the mind, they are complete sexual deviants capable of bestiality and going after children because they are warped in the mind. The Bible and other religions warn of orgies and sexual perversion because it HAS lead to disease on a terrible scale throughout history. Much of this is somewhat controlled now because of extreme high OVER use of antibiotics. Most diseases from sex are bacteria based, but there is a limit to how much antibiotics can control and we are now seeing super bugs developing from this over use of antibiotics.

            AIDS is a disease spread because of the deviants that screw each like mayflies. The more sexual partners someone has the much higher chance of getting and then spreading viruses. Noro virus is something that antibiotics won’t touch, because it is a virus. I know many people that have eaten out and become quite sick from this, because your type of people choose to be weird and because others are too stupid and lazy to wash their hands.

            The real problem is that people are not even allowed to talk about this biohazard because it is not “sensitive” to others. You really show your true colors as only the truly sickos would ever engage in orgies. God is about cleanness of the soul, and orgies are the most animalisitc sick and filthy practice that there is. I equate it to dogs rolling around in manure. Anyone that is happily married and had a good spouse will find this practice utterly repulsive. Yes, stupid, it does spread disease and is just about as animalisitc as a human can decay to.

            • BI, good day to you, sir, and I have to agree with the others; let’s stop responding to eisen, period. we’re not getting anywhere with all of this back and forth bantering. eisen is a lost cause; there is no saving him. Let’s just red thumb him all we can and maybe he’ll eventually move on. I know it’s going to be hard, especially for me; personally, I do enjoy jumping on trolls, but the other people are right. we need to start red thumbing the hell out of them and we’ll see what happens. braveheart

              • Agreed BH, I WILL NOT respond to SYBIL again, but with that said, we can all ignore this homosexual peice of camel dung. And I hope he will expose himself on his own. I have a buddy who is a hacker, he can find his IP address, find his address, and we can make him wish he was truly sorry for all the grief he has posed upon us…

        • But they can chose to be an A-hole or not and you have chosen to be one.

        • Eisen, so you don’t believe people choose for themselves whether to be straight or gay? Whose fantasy world did you step out of?

        • 40 lines again-you are possessed; just scroll and stop this posting about nothing–we don’t give a s**t why he posts or when or how or his opinions. We just scroll by and I don’t have to endure his idiocy till you start your posts and I read the first two lines and move on.
          Get a grip. He is getting a **** ** with your reaction.
          It turns him on.
          Please stop wasting our time here.

          • JayJay, Eisen now owns him. Eisen has won the debate.

            • Why are they too stupid to even see that?

              • @ JayJay. What debate? I have not debated with this nut. I talk as a matter of act of this character as you would a specimen in a lab. Conformity is so strong in this country right now and is fueling political correctness. This is what I have a problem with. I talk about the utter sickness of these pedophiles that attack children because the kids and parents have been handicapped by people being afraid to even discuss these weirdos coming on to children.

                I watch these shows in which they set up stings to catch these perverts. They are all over the place. These predators look for kids and any advantage they can gain. People like that nut want homosexuals to be purified as wonderful people that are kind and compassionate. There are of course gay people that don’t harm anyone and are in an one person relationship. however there are a huge number of them that criminally go after kids. These shows demonstrate this as proof just how much of a plague this is. I bring this up to make some parents a little more aware and I get typecast as someone too stupid to let this character get into my head.

                I would like to laugh at the fool, but I really think this individual is totally insane and it will come out. Hopefully before anyone is harmed. What is in my head is the political correctness and the destruction of the Constitution and our right to free speech. This is something you will find is in a lot of people’s heads. The population is being corralled into a mind box in which if we talk about the truth of any matter, if it offends anyone then they use the term bashing to justify putting people far away from being able to express their opinions. Censorship at its finest. Everyone suffers when people cannot speak about a fact. The fact is children are being put in more and more danger each day because we are not suppose to talk about the fact that there is a huge number of homosexuals and bisexuals that are pedophiles. Anyone engaging in orgies is mentally and spiritually capable of ANY deviant and criminal sex act because everything goes in these total anti-God, anti-human practices of ultimate sickness. This is my opinion and the opinions of many people that still want and need decency and morality in their lives, something still allowed by the Bill Of Rights.

                • Be Informed, your problem is an ongoing obsession with having to have THE LAST WORD ALWAYS.

              • JayJay, I’m taking your advice to heart and ignoring eisen as of today. Earlier you sounded as if you were considering leaving the site. PLEASE don’t go away. You were right and I was wrong. I’ll just red-thumb eisen to death and maybe he’ll eventually go away. it’s trolls I want to go away, not GOOD people like you. I always enjoy your posts. Over time I became obsessed with the trolls and I shouldn’t have.

                • @Braveheart, You are the Bigger Man!!Take care, CC.

                • Brave”
                  If you can quit smoking, you can quit kicking the S#$T out of little e.
                  You are a much better and bigger man that it is.

        • People do choose their sexuality. It’s interesting to see the correlation of the rainbow parade that’s been going on the past 20 years and the larger number of gays. Frankly I think it’s a government mandate trying to lower the population. All kinds of force fed rhetoric has been given to our susceptible youth. I had no idea of the concept of gay when i was in high school. Now kids are force fed this in junior high or even elementary. Giving them “options” long before they should even be thinking about such things.

          Once again Eisen the Disruptor, you don’t have to be here.

          • rednek, the govt is driving a wicked stake into every Christian belief. Next the govt will abandon laws and well see crimes of theft, money laundering, and drugs not get prosecuted or theyll be ignored.

            Oh damn that. Theyve been doing that already. All were left w/ is murder that will be thought of as legally acceptable.

            Damn that too. I forgot they legalized abortions.

            What we see is a damn free for all now. I guess all thats left is burning Bibles. But the govt will burn the Constitution first.

            • Calga, nowdays, if you’re “too rich” you can get away with murder. Have you seen the news about this? Our country IS going down hill in every way possible– the stuff on TV is shocking! But I think its all planned. TPTB are purposely trying to destroy our country.

              • You may recall the outrage back in December when the term “affluenza” was used by the defense during the case of a Texas teenager who, according to the courts, couldn’t be held accountable for his deadly actions because he was just too darned rich. Then 16 year-old, Ethan Couch, from a wealthy Texas family, was driving drunk when he crashed into four people standing at the side of the road with a disabled vehicle. Four of his own passengers were thrown from the vehicle, one of whom suffered a brain injury and can no longer move or speak.

                Three hours after the accident, the boy’s blood alcohol level was .24 – more than triple the legal limit – and there were traces of Valium in his system. In other words, he was so drunk and high, it was a wonder he could even stand up.

                Despite the fact that Couch pleaded guilty to drunk driving and manslaughter, he received no jail time. Instead, the boy was sent to a posh rehab center to ride horses, lift weights, and swim while he was being “rehabilitated” under the terms of a 10 year probationary period.

                • When I read the Anonymous comment I thought of that rich kid and his plea of being too rich to know better. Or whatever that lame excuse was.

              • I also think its planned Anonymous. If anyone steps back and simply tracks the subjects of current events the pattern is obvious. Ill submit to you that the plan is more than destroying the country. Its about destroying the human psyche and spirit. They want strict conformation w/ 100% sheep that move in one motion when steered.

            • Have to disagree. It ain’t the gov’t doin’ this. It’s the folks running the gov’t. IMHO there’s a very strong anti establishment movement going on. Been seeing this for several years. These people “disrupt” anything they can that remotely serves the establishment/gov’t/whitey. I don’t think it’s the Christians their going after. Once again, IMHO.

              • Rednek Give some examples. I see big business and govt = one in the same. I put the Fed in as big business by the way.
                But you dont think there are people who are planted in Obamas admin? Explain the wacko czars. How does Valerie Jarret fit in if she isnt anti establishment? What about the Obama appointments? Theyre all radicals and in the govt and there anti establishment. Commies. But theyre in the govt just like the nearly 100 Commies in Congress.

                • Cal. You hit the nail on the head. Enjoy the Sunday morning rant…
                  1. Whackos first: Our citizens have voted in the largest group of whackos in the history of the nation. Via the Acorn type grass roots voting campaign and other similar types of campaigns, our lessor citizens are voting based on how much of a welfare check increase they will get. Or maybe what model of ‘Bamaphone. Candidates are buying their office with taxpayer funds. We are reaping the rewards.
                  We have so many decent senators and representatives. God bless them. Unfortunately, a barrage of stupid has a multiplier effect when fired at logic. It takes it’s toll and is wearing out the few remaining decent ones. Statistically the large number of lawmakers are supposed to render the whackos agenda’s and inputs inoperable. That’s how it’s supposed to work anyway. Unfortunately there are so many of them. Gov’t works when its citizens understand how it works and maintain the philosophy via the vote.

                  “At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.” — P.J. O’Rourke

                   noun \ˈdes-pət, -ˌpät\
                  : a ruler who has total power and who often uses that power in cruel and unfair ways

                  2. Gov’t has to promote business to keep the economy healthy. Although it appears that the Gov and business are in bed together that is not quite the case. Government and business have a symbiotic relationship. On many levels. Government’s job is to promote an environment which business can thrive. Stability of tax codes and regulations are a large component of this philosophy. Businesses know what they are dealing with and can build on it and thrive. In turn, businesses provide our citizens with jobs and the subsequent tax base that funds our government. Our government then turns that money into infrastructure, law enforcement and defense. To name a few.

                  The gov hasn’t done such a good job the past couple of decades. One example: you can sue a business for just about anything and win lately. WE have become the sue happy jackpot nation.
                  Example two: schizo ‘Bama care… these folks are pushing out daily changes in order to keep a totally hopeless agenda and failed law going. The resulting chaos not only shows poor leadership skills it also has a damping effect on the economy as a whole. As noted in the polls, it also has ill effect on the confidence of the citizens.

                  The environment the current “administration” is pushing kills businesses. When managers are forced to focus on the daily ‘Bamacare changes pushed out or the points of the daily lawsuit, managers can’t focus on what’s needed to keep their business healthy. It’s not just ‘Bamacare. The overall methodology is systemically destabilizing. Like putting the three year old in charge of the armed forces. Just whats needed for a coupe. Not inciting anything here.

                  “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” ~Samuel Adams

                • Good reply Rednek. Thanks for your input. I still think govt = big business but theyve got it in for the small business world. Youre right about being lawsuit crazy and its the large corps that have enough $ that their insurance will cover liability. Not so for the small guys. Aint many start up businesses anymore. The big boys just get bigger.
                  Obamacare helps the big boys out and well watch those fatcats get richer and richer while well all die trying to keep our heads just above water.

                  The coup already took hold. Not many talk of it though. Time we start using that word more often. Maybe itll rattle a few more cages.

                  Despot = psychopath don’t it? Politics is full of em.

                  Thanks again for your answers. Appreciate reading what your thinking.

            • Have to disagree. It ain’t the gov’t doin’ this per say. It’s the folks running the gov’t. IMHO there’s a very strong anti establishment movement going on. Been seeing this for several years. These people “disrupt” anything they can that remotely serves the establishment/gov’t/whitey. I don’t think it’s the Christians their going after. They just want to wreck the establishment so they can get a bigger piece of the pie. Once again, IMHO.

      49. Resourcefulness, ingenuity, and common sense is worth more than all the gold in the world. To bad we don’t run commercials selling them.

      50. having Know How and Being Self Reliant in my opinion are better preps than a ten year supply of hoarded goods. Those hoarded goods can be taken away. Know How & self Reliance stay with you until you die.

        • Old Guy,
          Excellent point about self reliance. I consider myself a somewhat D.I.Y. person but not long ago a major arm injury proved to me that life can throw some Tim Wakefield knuckleballs at you. Weather or thievery or a number of factors can eliminate your hard earned bounty crop. I have learned from this site to never underestimate. A reserve stash , securely hidden cannot be overly emphasized in importance. I understand from your posts that you are far ahead of me in all respects to being prepared. I read everything you write. Thank you.
          Take Care,
          — Miss Dee Dee

          • I would take your supplies and there would be nothing you could do to stop me.

            • Period!

          • You can have have all the wood in the world, but if you don’t know how to swing a hammer, you’ll never build a house.

      51. a couple of articles on varied subjects

        good reading for a Saturday afternoon

        In 1972, the CIA Director Relabelled “Dissidents” As “Terrorists” So He Could Continue Spying On Them … And Nothing Has Changed“dissidents”-“terrorists”-so-he-could-continue-s

        dissent now “terrorism”
        the government is making everyone the enemy

        When Conventional Success Is No Longer Possible, Degrowth And The Black Market Beckon

        “College graduates around the world are discovering that getting a university diploma no longer guarantees the conventional success story of a secure job and a life of ever-rising consumption. Doing all the things that the Status Quo said would lead to success no longer yields success, for the simple reason that the Status Quo is failing on a structural/systemic level.

        the status quo is FAILING
        and on a SYSTEMIC level

        recognize this
        or fail
        the old days of more more more
        bigger bigger bigger are over most 99% of us

        what do we do ???
        is there even an answer ???

        ‘What I’ve Been Doing Out Here’

        what is YOUR “exit strategy” ???

        making a RADICAL change in the way we live
        in our values is the only possible solution I see

        what we are doing now
        is not working anymore

        we HAVE to change

        • Satori–we have got to start manufacturing our needs.
          Not importing everything from sheets to toothbrushes.
          This started many years ago and it must stop.
          Yes, we can’t earn $20 on an assembly line any longer with gargantuan benefits, but if we don’t accept earning less, we will continue to be replaced by robots and machines.
          We must remove unions from the equation also.

          • JayJay. It’s over.

            Soon, fuel will not be wasted on sending anything to the USA.

            Let the unions get exactly what they deserve. More of everything for way less in production.

            Where on earth has that ever worked?

      52. I have just one thing to say about some out of control Law Enforcement Officers. The Chief’s and Sherif’s in this country had better get a grip on this growing problem fast and put a stop to it by; and/or letting them go, arresting, etc., because the offending Officers will start getting what is coming to them, that being a very unforgiving LEASON IN LIFE! For me enough said.

        Let it be known that I have the highest respect for the GOOD Law Enforcement Officers.

        • OV
          YOu are right, but they won’t because some of them are polital monsters, more Chiefs than Sheriffs. Cheifs are apointed by TPTB, and Sheriff’s are elected.
          The bad one makes it some much harder on the good cops out there. People will help a good cop and will turn thier backs on a bad cop. I see it all the time.
          You can’t please evrybody, and you will piss off some of them. But the good Cop will try to make the world better for evrybody, If he/she can!

      53. Selco’s environment was very different from what a SHTF event would be in America. There won’t be people driving cars after the dollar dies. There won’t shelling of random areas but there could be tanks in the streets.

        The hard part after it hits the fan is recognising rapidly changing circumstances and being able to adapt to them. At least if you hear gunfire you’ll know to get your guns ready and be ready to defend your property.

        • Agree.

          Post-shtf, who on this website is venturing outside of their well-stocked (including guns and ammo) bug-in location? Except maybe to execute a bug-out plan, but that would also be armed.

        • And be more careful when that door bell rings.
          The post above of the man making a list of homeowner’s behavior was startling, but I should remember these things even in a rural community.
          We get so comfortable it is good to read these accounts to remind us often of the dangers lurking.

          • After it hits the fan you’re probably better off not answering the door unless you’re expecting someone. Better to pretend no one is there and hope they go away peacefully. Otherwise it’s going to be someone looking for food. You can’t feed everyone and you can’t have people leaving who know you have food.

            • After, I am not answering.
              I will have a sign on the door–
              Go To The Nearest Church–That Is Where I Donated Food.

              • I wouldn’t put a sign out. You’d be letting people know you’re home.

      54. There should be a rule: After X number of thumbs down, your IP is banned.

        • Let’s add excessive profanity also.

          • Asking folks to refrain from using vulgar language is not censoring. Although profanity can be used to offer up some additional emphasis in certain conversations, when used to the extent you do it really brings down the intellectual value of the overall conversation. It’s distasteful. Please refrain sir.

            The sign of intelligent people is their ability to control emotions by the application of reason.
            – Marya Mannes

      55. This article and posts were viewed over 21,000 times so far. At least half of those views were probably us posters coming back here several times. I even went out for a few brewskis last night and came back for the fun. I got thrown out of a dike bar by the bouncer. I still think I could of beat her if I was sober.

        • Maudy, you sound like the kind of neighbor I’d like to have…and that is a compliment.

        • That’s so stupid. It’s easy to see that lesbianism comes with a lot of dysfunction besides the obvious perversion.

      56. The problem that I have with this article is simple – it is not written from an American perspective.

        The US Constitution was written to protect the rights of the People. The whole reason we have a federal government is to protect the People from a foreign invasion and to protect the People by resolving disputes between the States.

        And going around like they did post-Katrina and stealing peoples firearms (not taking guns from folks running down mainstreet with TV’s, but taking firearms away from folks that were minding their own business on their own property) – that single action completely invalidates that organization’s constitutional authority.

        Too many Americans have died trying to ensure freedom and liberty for future generations for us to simply ‘comply with orders’.

        I guess what I’m getting at is that the ‘friend’ in the article should have been prepared to bug-in or bug-out or both and wouldn’t have had to drive about the city in chaos. Or at least he would have been wearing some kevlar and carrying a handgun at the minimum.

        Seeing as most folks that would visit a shtf or prepper website own firearms, have the ability to bug-in, bug-out, or both, have plans to meetup with friends and family, have planned escape routes, etc… – how does this article really help anyone on this site?

        Honestly, if I’m unarmed post-shtf that means I’m either dead or on my way to a ‘internment camp’.

      57. There have been 500 more views since my last post. Therefore, it behooves Mac, to start his own sitcom, reality show with Eisen, BI and Braveheart.

        • @ Maudy Frickett. I left this psychopath alone for the better part of a week. When this nut makes these statements about people deserving to die and I see good people like Kulafarmer so upset that crosses the line. You look at the profiles of serial killers and every last one of them had this obsessional hatred of one group of people based on something absurd like hair color, age, gender, heighth, etc.

          I hope E is a government troll because it means that no one is going to be hurt or killed. The unity of people coming to the aid of others shows the government that the people here have strong conviction and are not going to back down to trolling.

          On the other hand if this chararcter is real, then these rantings show lunatic qualities of someone ready to break. You bet someone that spews such hate can finally become fed up with the lack of what they desire, mass death of people like the boomer generation. They figure that they are the ones that have to act to start this. I know this sounds crazy, but look at the volume and intensity of these past E rants of pure hate and desring death on a mass scale.

          Ignore the nut, and it will continue. Look at some of these past articles in whcih people thumbed down and collapsed the comments. They still came and even more vicous upsetting people that have enough mega stress in their personal lives. Sometimes it is best to ignore, other times to stand up. Look at the truth about E that has been brought out. He lied to everyone saying he was not gay, yet is now admitting to being a bisexual engaging in orgies. The truth is coming out. The truth about this nut planning to get rid of a lot of boomers might also, then people’s lives are saved. In any case it shows that a sicko bully trying to make others’ lives more tension filled has others that will stand up and not put up with it. Look at the past articles as total prrof just what a crackpot this individual is.

          • This is a test. If you don’t adapt and avoid this, you will not be able to adapt when SHTF. This is a test. Take a deep breath. Let it out. Start over. Succeed.

            • @ Maudy Frickett. If you join me and others in the red thumb collapse, then I will absolutely take your advice on completely leaving you know who alone.

          • BI, I don’t know if you caught my earlier post, but I’m finished responding to eisen. I’m ignoring him from now on. JayJay and the others are right. every time one of us respond to him we’re giving him exactly want he craves: attention. Well, no more from me. Let’s just red-thumb him to death and hopefully he will go away. In an earlier post, JayJay indicated she might leave the site because of all the attention we’re giving to eisen. I don’t want to see any good people go away from here. I want eisen and the other POS trolls to go away. so I’m taking JayJay’s advice to heart and hope for the best. everyone else please do the same.

          • As Andrew “Dice” Clay said… ” Either you suck d$&@, or you don’t suck d$&@ !”

        • Maudy, there won’t be such a show. I’m ignoring eisen from now on and I hope everyone else does also. Just red-thumb him all you can.

      58. 3.0 earthquake being reported in Hollywood,Ca

      59. @ BI…ignore E. He’s an idiot and your not. Your posts are informative and he’s a trouble maker. Soon enough he’ll move on. Like my Mom used to say…he’s only trying to get your goat. Although I got to admit I never had a goat to be gettin’!

        • I had no goat, but did have a little pig named Arnette–yeah after Arnold from Green Acres.
          Mama killed all the babies and dad grabbed one before she got it.

        • “you’re”

      60. today’s history lesson

        a VERY SORDID and SHAMEFUL period in US history
        and one that has been largely hidden

        they don’t teach this in school

        the documentary is bad enough

        the book by the same now is absolutely horrific

      61. 6.0 Scotia Sea. Never used to know there was a Scotia Sea.

        • @ Maudy Frickett. This is likely an aftershock on the 7.7 that occurred back in November. This is the southern border between the Antaractic and Scotia plate. It is a strike slip fault similar to the San Andreas. look for earthquake activity to the west in the Drake Passage that is between South America and the Anatarctic peninsula. When this area gets active, so does California.

      62. Trolls like eisenwhatever just want attention. If they get none they will go to another venue where they can. Just red thumb his posts without reading and do not acknowledge that he lives and he, too will go away.
        I have another candidate for the some treatment, too.

      63. Selco has a new article over at his site –
        A new one about the current riots in Bosnia
        Relevant information!

      64. I would like to quote from that great urban philospher, Professor Rodney King, “can’t we all just get along”?

      65. I understand why people are upset at Eisenkreuz’s posts here on SHTF, however I still believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, popular or not. I am less than a month away from 64, I don’t care about E’s baby boomer bashing, opinions are like elbows and assholes, everyone has got at least one of them. I would argue homosexuals can and do reproduce. I also believe homosexuals are born that way. Why would someone choose to be homosexual and live through the slander and hatred that they endure? It does’nt make any sense that the lifestyle is a choice. To hate homosexuals is backward thinking in my view. This hatred comes from childhood, the pressure to conform to the majority. Face it, more people more homosexuals. The few I’ve known are decent people, not sexual whores or child molesters. Love conquers hate.

      66. A man was telling his buddy “You won’t believe what happened last night.
        My daughter walked into the living room and said, “Dad, cancel my allowance immediately, forget my college tuition loan, rent my room out, throw all my clothes out the window, take my TV and my laptop.
        Please take any of my jewelry to the Salvation Army or Cash Converters. Then, sell my car, take my front door key away from me and throw me out of the house. Then, disown me and never talk to me again.
        Don’t forget to write me out of your will and leave my share to any charity you choose.”

        “Holy Smokes,” replied the friend, “she actually said that?”

        “Well, she didn’t put it quite like that. She actually said, ‘Dad, meet my new boyfriend– Mohammed. We’re going to work together on Hillary’s election campaign!'”

      67. Well over a year ago, I posted this and I think it bears re-visiting:
        Washington’s Vision

        In the National Tribune, 1880, an article appeared giving an account of the “Vision of Washington” at Valley Forge. The account was told by a gentleman named Anthony Sherman, who supposedly was at Valley Forge during the winter of 1777-78. The story has been published several times.

        Some people will say that it is substantiated by the fact that a copy of the account is in the Library of Congress. This argument of authenticity is misleading in and of itself. The Library of Congress has copies of anything published. That does not indicate accuracy of the content.

        I am unaware of any eighteenth-century evidence that corroborates this story. The soldier mentioned as having a first-hand account of the “Vision,” Anthony Sherman, was a soldier in the Continental Army. However, according to his pension application, written by him, he states that he was at Saratoga under the command of Benedict Arnold at the end of 1777 and only joined the main forces in 1778 in New Jersey just before the Battle of Monmouth.

        Anthony Sherman wrote:

        You doubtless heard the story of Washington’s going to the thicket to pray in secret for aid and comfort from God, the interposition of whose Divine Providence brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation. One day, I remember it well, when the chilly winds whistled through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shown brightly, he remained in his quarters nearly all the afternoon alone. When he came out, I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual. There seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance. Returning just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone commanded, related the event that occurred that day.

        “George Washington’s Vision”

        This afternoon, as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strict orders not to be disturbed, that it was some moments before I found language to inquire the cause of her presence. A second, a third and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes.

        By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riveted gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tongue had become useless, as though it had become paralyzed.

        A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was to gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitor. Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed as if it had become filled with sensations, and luminous. Everything about me seemed to rarefy, the mysterious visitor herself becoming more airy and yet more distinct to my sight than before. I now began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany dissolution. I did not think, I did not reason, I did not move; all were alike impossible. I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly at my companion.

        Presently I heard a voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn,” while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly, I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a stranger scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world — Europe, Asia, Africa and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific.

        “Son of the Republic,” said the same mysterious voice as before, “look and learn.” At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel, standing or rather floating in mid-air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a cloud raised from these countries, and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.

        A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows in sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn,” I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them.

        Again, I heard the mysterious voice say, “Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn.” At this the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill omened specter approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city of the latter. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word “Union,” bearing the American flag which he placed between the divided nation, and said, “Remember ye are brethren.” Instantly, the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons became friends once more, and united around the National Standard.

        “And again I heard the mysterious voice saying “Son of the Republic, look and learn.” At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene: From each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. Throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America. Our country was enveloped in this volume of cloud, and I saw these vast armies devastate the whole county and burn the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of sword, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn” When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long and fearful blast. “Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word Union, and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were will nigh overcome, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle.

        Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, “Son of the Republic, look and learn.” As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious!

        Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: “While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last.” And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the word “Union,” he placed it upon the Standard while the people, kneeling down, said, “Amen.”

        The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, “Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union.” With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States.

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        • Good Read. Thanks for posting.

        • FOB, Thanks for that posting. I had never read it before. Certainly something to ponder on and sounds like a prophetic vision if it really happened.

      68. FOB
        Great article.

        • Howdy Sgt…been around for a while…come from a LEO family…my Pop was the director of the Law Enforcement/Criminal Justice dept. at my local college…where I got my degree. Washington’s vision sends a real message ….



          ps…love your reference to “The Patriot”…Aim Small, Miss Small

      69. @ braveheart. If everyone would red thumb you know who and send the worthless comments into oblivion I should would follow suit with everyone else. Whatever works! Never give it a green thumb again for anything. I am though sickened by the way the political correctness crap is overrunning this country. I have known a few homosexuals and they were with one person and did not engage in the bestiality that are orgies in which they go after anything the moves, human or beast or even some machine. They never bothered me and I did not ever condemn them because they never harmed anyone.

        There are a huge number of deviants that are into these orgies that would rape a child faster than you could say pedophile because their minds are so totally warped into screwing and getting screwed by anything. Some insects are like this and you can see them trying to hump a piece of thread or something. Those that ever are in these orgies are fiends and are severely chemically imbalanced and very dangerous to children. They spread disease like a hospital bed pan does. These are the ones I want kids protected against. There are some homosexuals that would agree that protecting children from these ultimate preverts is of utmost importance.

        Some people might think I was targeting that person about this. NO, I am just irritated at the country’s way of encouraging this satanic practice of pure animalistic sickness and the innocent ever being caught up in this evil. I bet you could remember when the welfare of children really and truly mattered and these weirdos were kept away from kids to protect them. Now these poor parents are under the pressure of being found guilty of discrimination if they keep their children away from these deviants. This is what is so upsetting to me, the unfairness of society allowing criminals to gain the upper hand over victims at every turn. A sad and rapidly decaying world isn’t it?

        • BI, good evening, and I guess you missed my earlier posts offering the same advice. JayJay and the other people are right. We allowed ourselves to become obsessed with the sodomite. I even went back nd put a red thumb on every one of his posts on this thread. I even looked at the amount of space taken up responding to the POS. When I saw JayJay’s post mentioning considering leaving the site, I felt so ashamed and I knew I had to do something. I always enjoy her posts. I don’t want any good people to leave. I want the trolls to leave. I even ignored ncjoe’s one comment but red-thumbed him. Facebook Page mentioned some time ago that we are less of a prepper site now and I’m afraid he’s right to some degree. We need to just red-thumb the trolls all we can now and not give them any reply. I feel so ashamed about how we let this affair just consume us like we have. BI, just scroll back on the whole page and see how much space has been given to responding to the POS. It’s unreal. I don’t recall any other troll getting the amount of space in responses that eisen received this time. I think this set a record for the site. I’m just surprised Mac hasn’t intervened on this, which he certainly has a right to do. BI, this is going to sound silly, but as I’m typing this, I’m actually shedding tears for allowing eisen to consume me like this. If JayJay or any of the other good people leave this site, I’m going to feel at least partially responsible. FBP is right. we need to get back to providing useful information on survival-related subjects and try to become less political. If we don’t get a handle on this, the politics will destroy us. BI, I do agree with you on everything. I don’t recall us ever having any disagreement on anything. So let’s red-thumb the trolls instead of talking to them. maybe they’ll eventually go away.

          • @ Braveheart. I don’t ever want good people to leave the site. I just hope others will continue to just red thumb it no matter what is written and never give it another green thumb. I am fully willing to join in as long as others stick to their convictions and be consistant about taking out the trash.

            • BI $ BH ,
              Happiness and true smiles are what I prescribe for the acid known as Stress and Inflammation. You will both feel better in no time at all.
              Yours Truely,
              — Miss Dee Dee

              • Happiness and true smiles …And a friend called Jack!!

              • Miss DeeDee is wise and cool.

          • 1braveheart wrote, “I don’t recall any other troll getting the amount of space in responses that eisen received this time.”

            Mang, I guess you were out sick, and missed those times me and the Krugman Kidd wrangled about student loans and the trap college’s set?

            Or, about how he despised your right to transact with whomever you please a.k.a. The Free Market, and how he thought that was not a good thing.

            You guys are pikers. Don’t feel bad.

            Insert comic strip I saw, here:

            Guy is at the computer.

            Wife is in bed.

            “Honey, come to bed.”

            “I can’t! Some guy on the internet is Wrong!”

            • This blog is beginning to get overwhelmed by petty arguments.

              I believe a couple of these posters have admitted to being banned on other websites in the past.

              Not in favor of banning anyone, but some websites limit comments to two a day by each poster. This may improve the quality of each comment.

              Of course it would have to be done on the honor system, but the administrator could freeze IPs for “detention” period if the rule was consistently broken.

              Arguments could be carried on in the “Iowa” chat forum that’s on it’s way, any day now.

          • BI and Braveheart we shouldn’t even give this knucklehead a thumbs down. We shouldn’t acknowledge anything he posts.

          • EOTW porn site.

        • Your comment about the rape of women in shtf is spot on. It would happen. Don’t forget about the women who raped at the dome during Katrina. They were either raped or molested. I recall an article written by some visiting Aussies who were trapped there, stating that the men formed a circle around the women to protect them all night long, because they could hear the screams of women at night.

          Yes, as a woman, I would worry about being trapped in a city during grid down, or other situations. I would not ever live there now, unless I was packing.

        • I have a gay cousin. He is loving, fun, and great joy to be around.
          The Biblical scripture argument about gays has NEVER swayed me in my beliefs. Hell, if we are so damned Bible thumping behaviorists, where are those long robes, long hair, take that jewelry off and oh, one from the old testament God and I will have a ‘speak about’ when I get to meet him– the number of days after giving birth a woman must wait before entering the sanctuary/church, and it is longer for a girl baby than a boy baby. 😉

          Ready for this?? Give me a fricking break!!! 🙁
          The feelings I have in my heart have nothing to do with any doctrine of the church. The feelings I have in my heart are all about my relationship with God.
          I leave others alone and expect the same.

          This is my doctrine–I can only take care of myself; I can not take care of others. It is waaaay above my pay grade- and I leave it to God.

          ‘Going to church does not make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car’….which is why I stopped going after breaking my toes and saw the Christian reception I received!!

          • I know. All those “Perfect” christians want to bash somebody else’s lifestyle! Remember that lady who washed Jesus feet with her hair! Even the preacher dude there didn’t want to look at her and was pissed that Jesus paid attention to her!
            BTW, I think the reason almost no posts are about the article is its just too much for us to absorb. Too radical. Too different. So, most of us wouldn’t make it. The point of the article.
            Oddly, that’s just like Jesus’ story since even the disciples who walked with him for three years never “got it” until after he died and was resurrected. Not sure if all of the ever really “got it”. Its been said “Love conquers all”; but I think Selco is saying you can leave your love at the door when TSHTF. A real moral dilemma.

          • Really? You’ll “have a speak about” with God? OK
            Don’t forget to humble yourself before him, that’s some awful big talk down here. Doubt you’ll be able to back that up. Might want to rethink that one. IMHO

        • But yet you called me a “shit rapist”. I will find you, and you will not like the outcome.

      70. Eh….let satan’s imps be…not worth the effort to attempt to get rid of them…eisen is just one of many…difficult as it is…ignore these people…it is the RIGHT course of action….if we respond, trolls just continue and multiply…


      71. The problem with america is everybody always blames each other for the problems we are facing today.Talk all you want but nothing will get fixed until millions of americans stand up,united and say enough is enough but it seems my fellow americans have lost that revolutionary spirit that our founding fathers had.

      72. I’m up north in a place that is rural, near a small town. I’ve made the decision to take my stand here. Although I am a couple hours from Canada, I will not be running for the border if something happens here.

        I consider this my BOL. I made the decision about 7 years back to get out of California away from the big city. When I lived there, I wasn’t a prepper, nor was I really awake to anything around me. Just caught up in the daily grind of working all day. I started to feel an sense of uneasiness back in 2004 that continued to build each year until I left it all behind and came here. I just wanted to get away from the pressure that was building in my head, and in my life. I wanted to slow down.

        It’s not easy for everyone to do what I did. I came up here with $3k. That’s all we had. My husband came up first to secure a rental house then my daughter and I came up on a bus to join him.

        When I got up here, the sense of uneasiness was down to a dull roar. One day I happened upon the doomsday preppers show and it struck me, that we needed to start doing the same thing. Then i started reading survivalist forums, paying attention the world and waking up to reality. Got my husband on board and we haven’t looked back since.

        Two people who used to be the most liberal anti gun people you could ever meet, changed over the years. If you knew me ten years ago, you wouldn’t recognize me now. I guess this is what happens when you wake up and see the realities.

        Perhaps my being here provides a sense of false security, but I refuse to go on the run. I’ve put too many years and work into the place we have now.

        I do think that now is the time to get the hell out of the cities if you can. I remember waking up in the morning back in the city, looking around and wondering what would happen to my family if we were trapped here.

        • AP, good for you!!

        • I have a similar story. 20 yrs ago, 1100.00 in pocket, clothes, boots and tools in truck. Moved to beautiful small town in the Redoubt. Ranchers, Farmers and real Cowboys. 3 weeks later I met my lovely wife and rest is storybook history. COLD winters, HOT summers, and HARD work, but great people and tradition. I wouldn’t change a thing.

      73. This is exactly what the anti-gunners are filling 56% of the population with that belief that gun violence is one the rise. Piles Morgan and others POS attempt to fool the people into thinking firearms are the problem. This article below shows otherwise.

        This is your typical politically correct garbage that is filling the air waves and more and more people are buying into this manure. Articles like the one above help prove just what total propaganda driven parasites these anti-self defense slime walkers are.

      74. I’ve been saying for quite some time, the easiest way to take out the trash is to throw it out. Not debate or talk to it.

        If you believe anyone is a troll, red thumb, move on with life.

        If you respond to a troll, realize the troll just won. They beat you.

        If they draw out our conversation, get us off topic, they beat you.

        If you acknowledge they exist, they win.

        Why continue letting them win? Seriously ask yourself if any comment made towards or about a troll has done anything but encourage them to post again?

        Don’t lose to the trolls. Don’t prove to themselves that they are better than you. Don’t let them take us off meaningful discussion. If you allow that, they just beat you.

        God Bless,

        • How arrogant to think that we just give a thumbs down without reading you. You just can’t accept that anyone disagrees with you.

        • Eisen, I never mentioned you with my post. My point is that if people don’t want to read a poster’s posts or believe they are a troll, just thumb them down and move on.

          If someone posts something meaningful I don’t care if it’s NCJoe, it adds to the discussion. If someone just comments with inflammatory remarks in my opinion they are not adding anything of value to the comment section and I would love for their comments to be just shut down within minutes.

          I hope if I say something stupid I get thumbed in to insignificance. If you do I hope you do. Same goes for everyone.

          My goal is for everyone to be meaningful contributors.

          God Bless,

      75. If you respond to a troll it encourages them to post again.

        When they post again your blood pressure rises.

        When your blood pressure rises you seek ways of calming.

        When you seek ways of calming you join a yoga club.

        When you join a yoga club you learn to stretch in ways you never have before.

        When you can stretch like that you pretend you are a ninja.

        When you pretend you are a ninja you try to take on a gang of thugs with a stick.

        When you take on a gang of thugs with a stick they shove you off a cliff in a gunny sack.

        Don’t get shoved off a cliff in a gunny sack by a gang of thugs.

        Red thou.b trolls and move on.

        God Bless,

        (Smokin Okie could have done that better.)

        • Thumb, not thou.b

          Your fat fingered NP

          • @ Norse Prepper. I so much rather talk about preparation or what is happening with the world. Having to defend myself and others has become most tiresome. I just hope that people like JayJay, Maudy Frickett and many others will do what they have been telling me and braveheart to just red thumb a parasite down and don’t encourage them by green thumbing them when they are on their good behavior. This includes several different parasites that add nothing to the betterment of the site and others. We need the support of everyone to take out the trash, at least 10 people to red thumb the parasites and no one else to green thumb them. A few people alone cannot collapse the trash into the dumpster, it takes a collective effort.

            It is too bad any of us even have to be talking about this. We all should be on the same page trying to add to all of our survival wisdom. I for one am not going to be afraid to post a comment because I might offend a troll. This political correctness plague is something that really bothers me because it is overtaking the Constitution and our right to free speech over subject matters that bring out the truth about ugliness in the world like giving homosexual/bisexual weirdos a free ride to be pedophiles. Violations against children is a sure sign that the society has begun to die of cancer. What is so pathetic about this is that I was directing this disgust at society not any one person.

            Anyway the Scotia plate is getting active again. The earthquake activity has still not died down. I am looking for a couple of new precursor quakes to get a better idea of what is to come and when. Hope all is well with you.

            • Good Grief BI give it a rest. Please stick with earthquake predictions. The fact is we don’t have a national language, national religion, or national gender. Even queer lesbo homo schizoid trolls are permitted to practice their first admendment rights. And the reason those rights shouldn’t be violated because we are a republic. Not a Mob rule Democracy. A republic and that means the rights of the few can not be infringed by the wishes of the many. Even if the few is just one person and the many is everyone else. until that person does something unlawful they are allowed & entitled all of their constitional freedoms. Even the freedom to yank peoples chain on this or any other forum. Im very liberal when it comes to freedoms of religion , first admendment rights ect. We have a member of our family who is Gay. That person in my opinion was born that way. It was obvious when they where a small toddler. That person is a good productive citizen and unlike most of my kin I actually like them. Many of my kin if they weren’t related to me I wouldn’t give them the time of day. As far as religion not all christens are good and not all muslims are bad. I can tolerate anyones right to practice their preferred religion as long as they don’t violate others rights. Seperation of church & state is paramount if we are to remain free. So Even though you have the counstional right to do so. I would suggest not posting rants about gender preference & religion preference ect. It makes you appear to be kinda nuts! Use you gift of earthquake knowledge to share with us. just thumbs down those post you don’t like. what have you to gain by besting a idiot? Why give anyone free rent in your head? Ill not post on this subject again. Don’t reply just give it a thumbs up or down.

              • @ old guy. I will respond to this. I will do what is best for the site and others and follow the red thumb and green thumb protocol. I though am very upset about what is happening to the country in regard to how victims are treated second class to the criminal in all forms of the law of the U.S. I see this police state in europe that use to be the western free world counterbalancing the USSR and its satellite states. I see this occurring right now in the U.S. and this is very disturbing and I sometimes would like to address this. I hope you don’t take offense to this.

                • Ive got thick skin. not easily offended. I posted before we are on the cusp of change. What we see occurring right now in the US isn’t really anything new. Its simply that its happening to the counstition loving middle class patriot type folks. We now know exactly how the disposed five civilized tribes forced to walk the trail of tears felt. We now know how the plains Indians forced unto the reseverations felt. We now know how the southern Calif Hacienda owners felt when the US courts declared their land grants invalid. the hard fact the Making producer fiscally responsible so called middle class blue collar worker is no longer wanted or needed by those at the top. They now want the brown folks from below our southern borders. We are domed to extinction because we never will make good reliable Peons. Those Peons allow the corrupt govt & police states where they come from. They will allow It here. I really hope my doom & gloom assessment is wrong but I think not?

                  • We can do like the Cherokees in TN and NC did, hide in the woods til Big Brother leaves, then get back to work hunting deer and fishing…

                  • Wow! Self hate much?
                    I didn’t do any of those things and I have no guilt.

              • Kind of reminds me of this:
                ‘Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car!!’

                • Amazing how Sybil E. has us all fighting with each other over minor stuff…

                • Hanging out in a tavern doesn’t make you a drunk either, but its a real good start.

              • Not sure you are in a position to judge who is nuts. You might want to re read some of your posts, including this one.
                Check yourself, before… well, you know

      76. With all that said. And, what we know about geoengineering. Do you have any plans for when it Never rains again?

        I mean. If the bottom drops out and the empire collapses, they won’t be able to fund their ongoing geoengineering program, so it’s possible that it might not rain for a long long time.

        …What then?

        I am sooo not prepared for that.

        • No, if they stop the geoengineering program, it should rain as nature intended.
          Moisture collects in the skies/clouds and drops on earth.

      77. Average Guy

        I’m with you on that…

        Oh,it will rain..just not where it normally inherent moisture is finite within our hemisphere..

        Geo engineering is a science that has been implemented since the 40’ seeding then..God only knows what now given the methodology and technology delivery systems in place..

        I at first was a non believer like most until I delved further over the last few years..especially the comments by then Sec of Defense William Cohen ..

        During a question-and-answer session at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center in Athens, Ga., in 1997, Cohen addressed them:

        There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops.
        Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.


        • look up Dane Wigington on you tube

          use “climate engineering weather warfare” on your search..



        •, for you if interested, enlightening:


      78. I did all the correct things and it failed. I took all the smog devices off my vehicles. I burnt used car tires, Burnt my trash in a burn barrel. I heated with wood and killed lots of trees. I used electricity that was generated by burning coal. I drove gas guzzling older dinosaur cars. Now Where is my promised Globull Warming? There Has been snow on the ground for two weeks. Cold enough to freeze the gonads off a brass monkey. My wife has cabin fever. Warmer & wetter would be better. Its my glowbull warming and I want it now. Ok now that I have that rant out of my system and the fire I got up to stoke is taking off. I am gonna go back to bed get under the electric blanket and pester my wife.

        • Old guy, I read mystery/murder novels(buy all I can tote for 50¢ at flea markets), work crossword puzzles, work jigsaw puzzles(love this)also bought at flea markets.
          Does she have vegetables to dehydrate?/ Just saying that keeps me busy.

          • Oh, had to stop baking–can’t get in my clothes. 🙁

            • herman shut your stupid faggot mouth about JayJay. she has more common sense and intelligence than you’ll ever have.

          • Now do you realize what we have been saying? He is an equal opportinity abuser? I hope he realizes that if he walks out his door, my guys are there to fix his ass…
            Outlaws don’t mess around, understand SYBIL?

        • If you like your global warming, you can keep it.

      79. Don’t worry, Old Guy, I just bought a nice new snow shovel. Now it’s guaranteed not to snow anymore until next winter.

      80. Guys ,
        I really think we have to get back on target , we are wandering around arguing about things that are not constructive , I am convinced the current troll causing the message to be lost is a REGIME plant and is using physcological Targeting to push our button and disrupt .
        Just ignore him. This is also occurring on other preparedness sites including Bushcraft USA it seems anything survival based , firearm based or self sufficiency based is being poisoned by these people. They really fear us because they know honestly that they DO NOT possess the skills or the will to survive and are unable to learn or listen. To them we are a threat . They do not realize in their own hubris they will not prevail or survive when it all happens and are trying to project their fears on others. Their insecurity is epic.

        We are smarter than that lets keep the ideas coming and free expression flowing.
        This site can be so much more with a little discipline , do not feed the trolls or allow the regime to disrupt the free flow of information. Many read this site for information and to gauge the current attitude of the public , some in position of power. There are some working behind the scenes to change things.

        Recently in the news there has been a story of the substation attack in california last April , it is now hitting the MSM we have known about this for a while here. So people are stating to pay attention. This story was DELIBERATELY suppressed on orders of the White House the evidence is there in hard fact, in the coming days things will come out that will radically alter the power structure in Washington stuff that will not be able to be covered up. There are now congressional representives resigning from congress before the election due to this. The incompetence is stellar in proportions. ALL of this started here in the altmedia , the peoples media, like this site and drudge. The truth gets out in the end no matter what and it will always win in the end.
        Let’s bring this site back to its purpose Mac , preparedness and current events discussion in reference to preparation. We all have a stake in what happens by being on target we can also influence what is to come.



        Semper Fi 8541

        • Good post nightbreaker! We cannot fight the real enemy if we squabble with each other. Let’s focus on what is important, because something evil this way comes.

        • Night Breaker,
          Great post. I think many on here have your same concerns. Maybe, just maybe the distraction issue of the last couple of days came as a test somehow to our ability to rally to each other. A lesson as to how to identify the enemy and get back on track. A trial run as how to snowplow the obstacles in our way. I’m happy with the overall consensus of the how and why the approach to move forward.
          — Miss Dee Dee

          • Amen DD, we can ignore Sybil, and get back to the problem at hand. I hope Mac will post the article I wrote to the trus problem at hand, but we will see….

      81. Okay preppers–I just opened a quart carton of Gossner Foods milk sold at Dollar Tree for $1.(and other places I’m told)
        It had a best used date of Jan, 2013. It was fine. No refrigeration necessary!!
        It would have stored longer I’m sure. That’s milk with over a year shelf storage.
        Ladies and gents; a good milk to store that taste great.

        • Oh, I bought the milk around July, 2012.

      82. BI;
        I sat down and wrote a 2 page article for, sent it in to Mac first. I hope he will publish it, not too radical, yet it will make us think…
        Titled it “IF ICELAND CAN DO IT”, I hope he sees it fit to place it here for all to read….

      83. American black people are the most violent, racist, and thin skinned people I have ever known.

        • I stand by my post.

        • We should have picked our own cotton…

        • Iowa, Say What! You and your wife just have a fight? She’s black ain’t she? I guess she’s an exception. Don’t want no red thumbs. He said she was black.

      84. In the next two years (more or less) I see the collapse of organized
        societies worldwide, due mainly to the cutoff of Mideast oil,
        probably resulting in nuclear war. It’s too late to develop
        alternative energies so a sizeable cutback in oil will cause a
        massive depression.
        Millions of taxpayers will be unemployed. Millions
        Social Security recipients and nearly that amount on Welfare
        will see their checks stopped. Millions who are now on Valium or
        other narcotic tranquilizers will go insane when they cannot get
        more. Medical supplies will command astronomical prices as drug
        addicts swarm over pharmacies looking for dope, ruining everything
        they don’t steal.
        Cities will be cut off from food as oil supplies run out and
        the truckers cannot get fuel. As oil-based fertilizers become
        unavailable to grow food, agricultural production will drop to the
        point where famine will be a reality.
        No governmental system can long put off the inevitability of
        the above chaos and ruin of our already overburdened society. Our
        computer-run system has heretofore depended on a certain percentage
        of competent types to second guess our increasingly underachieving
        majority and the politicians catering to them for their votes.
        The threatened cutoff of oil is only the last straw in a long
        sequence of factors leading to our ultimate decline and final
        The process of social disintegration began years ago in
        various stages. There is no one cause nor one year. A combination
        of giving in to human, social, political and economic weaknesses,
        accelerating year by year, has led up to the twilight of world
        civilization. The Liberal altruists seeking to make a place in the
        sun for the underachiever and the “disenfranchised” has enabled the
        unproductive to gain a majority in most societies. So, like
        Babylon, Greece, Egypt, Rome and so many other civilizations, our
        Disneyland, too, will shut down forever.
        So many world systems are breaking down at this time. It will begin like the 1929 Stock Market Crash and go on to the utter ruin and obliteration of nations.. But most expect a reconstruction similar to that following the Depression of the thirties. But even in the depths of the last depression, there was plenty of oil, plenty of fertile farmland, a relatively small world population, oceans of fish, little pollution, overall mental health, intelligence and competence.

        The difference for our generation is that the easily
        accessible and cheap fuel, extensive fertile farmlands and economic
        freedom which made possible our world’s surplus population, no
        longer exists to perpetuate it. Even with our bounty following the
        Crash of ’29, it wasn’t until ten years later, and mainly through
        war production that our economy recovered from the Depression.
        Our politicians have so devoted themselves to nurturing and
        perpetuating hordes of incompetent dependents that further
        industrialization to put our nation on a war footing will be
        unaffordable. Even if it were not, our present union-spoiled and
        demanding work force could not be expected to perform the way our
        parents did in the war plants in the late 30’s and early 40’s.
        Police go on strike in high crime areas. Firemen picket while
        tenements burn. Hospital workers walk out on the suffering.
        Teachers stay home for weeks as their students languish in a state
        of drooling imbecility. Why should we believe that this generation
        of workers will show more dedication to duty than our supposedly
        disciplined public servants? No. Our present working class lacks
        the sense of duty to again put our country on a war footing and
        revive our economy.
        That’s why I see no avoidance of nuclear war. The world’s
        resources are in too short a supply to spare for a conventionally
        waged Third World War. The world’s workers are no longer competent
        or disciplined enough to produce for such a war. But the
        belligerent powers do have the nuclear weapons to fight such a war
        and so they will have no other recourse but to use them.
        But no matter. The Earth’s surplus population is long overdue
        for a culling. A nuclear holocaust will be a blessing for the
        survivors. We can start anew, hopefully avoiding past errors.
        Imagine a world without such festering social sores as New York,
        Washington D.C., San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit,
        Moscow, Rome,or any of the other great pestholes harboring
        the majority of the world’s parasites and bureaucrats. In light of
        all this, to survive, you must move about a hundred miles from any
        major target area.
        A lot of boasting is done by and on behalf of the Russians
        concerning their technology. I believe it to be more science
        fiction than science.
        Their targets will most likely be the major cities. Their
        overall strategy would be to knock out the U.S. capability to
        prevent them from taking over Europe, the Mideast and Africa. Even
        if they lost their own major cities they might believe they could
        still prevail with the U.S. crippled.
        I don’t think they would waste missiles on our missile sites
        and SAC bases, since our missiles and planes would be well away
        before they could be hit. Nor do I believe isolated nuclear
        reactors would be targets. With the cities they served knocked
        out, they would be worthless. Even so, I wouldn’t trust their
        crews to deactivate them. Panic, carelessness or sheer
        incompetence will cause a lot of meltdowns after a nuclear war so I
        wouldn’t live near one.
        While the Russians prepare to exterminate the Chinese and use
        what’s left of their missiles on the world’s major cities, you
        should prepare to weather the storm. Then, while the surviving
        Russians, Europeans, etc. revert to primitive tribalism, we can be
        on our way back up.
        Following the collapse and/or nuclear war, there will be up to
        three billion less humans to share our planet with. Even so, the
        devastation of the cities will mean an automatic lowering of the
        levels of technology. The cities, even those not bombed, will
        explode in panic, rioting and looting hardly imaginable. Most
        machinery and articles of value will be destroyed.
        After the initial chaos it may take up to five years for the
        roots of civilization to send up shoots. Citizens of small towns
        will immediately organize to fight off bands of refugees and
        marauders. City and suburban survivors will scrounge from the
        rubble enough to barely live. Finally, after the less adaptable
        have died out, the criminal elements have been killed off, and the
        survivors have become more interested in trading with than killing
        off one another, culture will reemerge.

        I read and hear a lot about investments as a hedge against the
        collapse. Most such advice is given by professional investment
        counselors who are experts on speculation. Their advice is usually
        very good in times of affluence when the game is played with
        intangibles such as precious metals, gems, paintings, antiques,
        stocks, bonds, etc. These things have value in the same sense that
        bubble gum cards and marbles have great value among children.
        But to advise their purchase for security after the collapse
        of a whole way of life is either stupidity or fraud. Many survival
        investment counselors predict an economic collapse, followed by a
        severe depression and resulting civil strife. In time, they say,
        reconstruction will take place, a gold-backed, liberty-loving
        republic will be established and we will live happily ever after in
        some sort of upper middle class paradise.
        Promoters of the above scenario conveniently lose sight of our
        millions of mentally defective social dependents, the 55%
        functional illiteracy rate among our voting populace and the “hope
        of the future”. It should stand to reason that with an electorate
        markedly inferior to that of only a generation ago, a political
        victory by a conservative is impossible. Since the majority of the
        electorate consumes more than they produce, they will naturally
        vote only for those politicos who promise them more benefits with
        less responsibility.
        As Rome and the rest of the world of her day degenerated and
        collapsed, giving way to a centuries long dark age, so may our
        present system. Whether our survivors revert to barbarism depends
        on those of us who can preserve the best of our culture and
        knowledge. This includes our technology, science, machinery and
        the chemicals and other raw materials needed to start over.
        Those who invest in gold, silver, gems, paintings and antiques
        will make no contribution to the future. They have been led to
        believe by “survival investment counselors” that the ignorant
        peasantry will flock to them with their chickens and tomatoes to
        trade for slivers of gold, not to mention the honor of basking in
        their glorious presence.
        Quite the opposite will be true. The average survivalist will
        have only contempt, and even hostility, for the formerly affluent
        who invested in intangibles instead of useful tools and day-to-day
        necessities unavailable after the collapse.
        The idea of investing in intangibles seems all the more
        preposterous when one realizes that the wealthiest investors got
        theirs through investing in basic needs such as grains, raw
        materials, machinery, etc. Since investing in needs is the key to
        wealth in times of affluence, common sense dictates that basic
        necessities will be the key to wealth after the collapse. The
        investor who makes a million in grain and turns around and puts his
        profits into gold will find himself paying all his gold for enough
        to eat, if he can find someone who wants it.
        On the other hand, had he bought and stored grains in a secure
        place now, when the collapse comes, he could get all the gold he
        wanted from anyone sucker enough to have laid it by. He could also
        trade his grains for whatever other foods and barter commodities
        were available.
        The truly wealthy should put their investment cash into
        warehouses full of power tools, medicines, chemicals, canned foods,
        clothing, weapons, etc. You’d be surprised how quickly such items
        will disappear when no longer manufactured. It stands to reason
        that such storage places should be located in small towns away form
        populace areas and refugee routes.
        The more modest investors should stock up on such barter items
        as bullets, salt, cocoa, razor blades, cosmetics, plain aspirin,
        ball point pens, matches, garden seeds, needles, spools of thread, chewing tobacco, plain antihistamine for colds, combs, tweezers, pocket knives, lighters and extra flints plus lighter fluid, chewing gum and just about
        anything that can’t be made by hand.

        • @Vet
          I wholeheartedly agree with most of what your state. I do think however the oil situation won’t be a dire as many think. Our dependency on oil is going down quickly. We are exporting oil to China. Sounds crazy given we are importing from South America and OPEC. Their drilling like crazy in the U.S. at this time. Maybe in preparation for when we shut the gates to the country and become isolationist. I work in the industry and i am seeing lots of infrastructure being put in place. Lots. Above economic justification type of lots. If we do go into a crisis, economic activity will probably slow to a crawl and we won’t need near as much fuel as in the past. If our third party crude suppliers do cut us off…Screw’em. We have enough to get by.

          As far as nukes go, unless there’s some type of invasion I don’t see the advantage of nuking unless its for pure genocide. Which has happened in the past. Nukes are messy and wreck infrastructure. Bio weapons and neutron bombs would probably be the mass destruction weapon of choice. These leave precious resources in place.

          All statements are IMHO.

        • To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.
          Thomas Paine

        • Old Vet….Sadly, you are spot on target…


        • Great comment. Should be a post we could discuss. God bless, Old Vet.

        • Herman, you are one sorry mofo. I’m disowning you.

      85. As a new reader, who tends to enjoy the articles and informative posts that pop up in the comments section on this page. Might I make one request?
        Could everyone potentially move on from feeling it necessary to post (or flame) someone they are apparently at E-War with all over the comments? Maybe it’s far from my position to say so, but the comments section here is getting rediculous with the vast majority of comments “flaming” or “Trolling” “regular” posters.

        Many of you talk about “divide and conquer” tactics, and here we watch it all play out right before your eyes in a psuedo-“prepper” community. Move on past the bullshit, so those of us reading for your experience and insight can actually benefit, rather then relocate.

        • @ Adamantium. Your desire for better content is very valuable. When someone is not trying to destroy the site with hate, most of the other comments are quite insightful. I personally would so much rather talk about the world and how to prepare for what is coming up. I and braveheart have taken part of the blame for this as both of us admit that we should just red thumb anyone trouble maker and not take up valuable space with Jerry Springer ttype fighting. I hope others will make it a point to anyone causing disruption to collapse the comment as quickly as possible with red thumbs to get back to discussing what is important and offering some possible solutions to it. Hope you will stick around, this is a good site.

          • Adamantium; I wish to apoligize for what you have witnessed. I too have had said things I should have not said, but when you have had Sybil come and trash all, it is hard not have a rebuttal. Please excuse us all, we just have had a rough time with him, he contributes nothing, and yet bashes all of us for not thinking as he does. Please keep coming back, and informing us on things we have not discovered yet, that is what keeps us up to date. I myself WISH Sybil would disappear, but as we see there is a 1st admendment that lets us all speak our peace, right or wrong. Please go back thru older articles and see what we are talking about. it will make a difference in what you are reading now…

        • Adamantium,
          I am beginning to feel as though someone opened all the windows in this house and a breath of fresh air is about to return to this site. My blood pressure is returning to normal and I am hankering for a big scoop of chocolate ice cream. Yes, I’m feeling quite well about this site and myself once again. Back to Prepping we will go. A back to Prepping we will go. Hi Ho the merry go round . A back to Prepping we will go.
          — Miss Dee Dee

        • @Be Informed, I understand fully how things work with forums, and individuals who attempt to discredit or destroy by means of absurdity, and I truly understand the desire to stand up against it, but some people you just cannot convince. An old sayings come to mind, “Be careful when arguing with a fool, for fear that others may get you confused.” You, among a few others, tend to bring insightful content that I appreciate on a regular basis, and would appreciate the move away from Yahoo forum antics.
          @Eppe, Much the same above applies, and I’ve been a silent reader for a while now, so I fully understand the content you are referencing, sometimes though, ignoring the provocatuer will do far more to be rid of them than responding and feeding their aggression. I’ve seen this play out many times.

          It all reminds me of what Rush Limbaugh likes to say about the president and how he lives rent free in his head.

          Thank you all for address intraspectively my complaints and I’ll look forward to the same insight I’ve come across in the past.


          • You sir are a man above all, seeing that I commend on your retrospect of the situation at hand, please stay around, many things are to be learned here, just get past the BS, and read all that you can… Learn all you can… Post all you can with the idea of helping others.. We just have had a hard time with Sybil, but you can relate, I see with your post above… Hope to see you inputing without inpunity….

      86. @ JayJay. I am glad you are not leaving the site. What you were saying about Christians. For me it is way beyond any type of religious belief about the above topic that was way over talked about. It is about that no one ever has to feel like they have to remain a victim and not be able to talk about, defend themselves against it, or report it. I see this poilitical correctness poison and it is becoming like europe in which you are not allowed to defend yourself. I couldn’t believe what Manos said about Greece, this was like going to another planet that you could not even your your body to protect yourself. This hellhole is worse than North Korea or Iran.

        My whole issue was that victims are NEVER alone because the sicko society has made the criminal the one with all the legal advantages. This you would have to admit is a reasonable concern about the debacle that is becoming the legal system and the whole political leadership of the country. Look whom is the president, King BO.

        • Luke 21. The corruption and anti-Christian meme is coming.
          I can not stop it. It is written.
          God bless those all over the world that use His name each day.

          • But we can defend and stand in the corner of those that have been backed in a hopeless corner, and not lose our convictions to what is right and wrong because a warped society “tells” us differently.