The One Thing You Need To Survive: “Everything Else Is Just Talking and Wishful Thinking”

by | Feb 7, 2014 | Headline News, Selco | 819 comments

Editor’s Note: You’ve stocked your pantry. You’ve prepared your supplies and reserves at off-site locations. You’ve developed skills like shooting, food production and trauma care. You have primary, secondary and tertiary plans for evacuating your home or digging in and defending it. For all intents and purposes, you’re ready. At the very least you’re more prepared than 95% of the country. There is no doubt that if you’ve taken steps to prepare for an emergency or disaster ahead of time that your odds of survival have increased significantly. 

Then it hits the fan and you implement Plan A. And it hits the fan again and you go to Plan B. But the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out.

Then what? 

Real survival in crisis situations isn’t just about storing goods ahead of time. It involves something a lot more personal. 

In the following article a real survivor shares his experience. Selco from SHTF School has lived it. When he fought for his life during the Balkan war of the 1990’s, in what he describes as one year in hell, they never saw the collapse of their nation coming. They didn’t have forewarning or the ability to stock up months or years ahead of time.

From one day to the next the world changed. 

As Selco explains, having all the gear is certainly an advantage. But it’s not the most important part of making it out alive – nature is brutal and it doesn’t care how hardcore you (think you) are. 

Common sense and being able to make quick decisions in the heat of the moment is just as, if not more, critical than all of the preparedness plans you’ve assembled. 

The one thing you’ll need to survive when all hell breaks loose is an ability to adapt to an ever-changing, unfamiliar landscape. 


Common sense survival. The return of natural selection.
By Selco

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How do you imagine a real survivalist?

Is it a man hidden inside an underground bunker with food for 10 years, completely cut off from outside world? Or is it the guy with the crazy haircut driving a bike on methan, in a full leather outfit with communicaton skills that are not more than screams and some strange gurgling noises, armed with swords from fantasy games and maybe a chainsaw on the back?

Both examples are something like strange fantasies or for some even wishes (“I want to be like that”) that I saw on more than one survival forum, or TV shows.

There is also picture of the big savior – the guy who will do only good stuff, save other folks when SHTF, and survive everything. There is a strange opinion in some people that having a stance like “I’ll do only that when SHTF,” either only good or only bad in terms of pillaging and robbing, will keep them safe. If you look at how things happen in nature, you know the natural way does not always mean a happy ending.

Lots of regular people in today’s society see us prepper and survivalists as weirdos in camouflage suits, conspiracy nuts and similar. Most of them are right, lots of “survivalists” also help in building that image of survivalists. It is hard for some people to just shut up and prep, which is what they should do to keep low profile. But some people make survival so much a part of who they are they want to show off. Their choice.

The point is that there are lot of definitions of survivalists there, and each one of them is as if it is “written in stone.” I think survival is more about how you are as person and not what you expect. Once disaster strikes, you will see tough guys helpless and regular guys become strong forces. True nature shows up.

Several days after the shooting started I arranged with friend that he will pick me up with car so we can go and finish some job. We went to a relative’s apartment to look for useful stuff but everything was looted already. In that time vehicles could still drive, but shootings were everywhere and checkpoints too. So violence within the group of people who were caught up in the city was combined with the shooting and shelling from enemy army.

At this point in time, nobody knew who was shooting who and why, and what groups stand on checkpoints, but people already got killed.

When he came to pick me up I noticed that rear lights on his car were smashed, broken. And inside car he had some kind of steel plates with hooks and wooden bars that you could kinda attach to the inside of the door.

He explained to me that he smashed rear lights when he concluded that people get killed when snipers and machine gunners spot them after they hit the brake in the middle of the night during driving (lights are not used anyway during the drive).

That driving with him was closest thing to the apocalyptic Mad Max version of driving. It was still possible to drive through the street, but it was full of junk, debris, and bodies here and there. He used big lights occasionally when he really needed to see something, but only for sec or two, other than that he was driving in the dark.

On our way back he changed the position of some steel plates inside the car because he expected different directions of possible incoming bullets.

We survived that drive. That dude was not an ex special forces member, or guy that you imagine, some strong tough dude. He was simple family guy, he worked as a postman before everything.

He had no experience with violence, gunfire or anything similar other than dogs barking at him while he delivered mail.

You may say “oh, nothing too smart, it is common sense to not use brake lights and put something between you and flying bullets”, and yes you are right it is common sense, but the point is that you need to know WHEN you need to start to use common sense.

A great number of people got killed because they “waited to see what is gonna happen”, other folks started to use common sense early and survived (at least more of them, because no matter what we do there is always factor X – that you are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time).

Those who can switch fast and let ideas of normal life go increase their chances for survival a lot! Many “fantasy” survivalists will wake up to a big surprise that things are not like they thought. It is true you should understand and know what to expect but even more important is to quickly change your way of life, how you think about security. A flexible thinker survives because they have many options to do things and react if they have to.

Another time the shelling caught us on the inside of one of the apartment buildings, group of some 5-6 of us. Whole floor collapsed around us and on us.

Few seconds later we get on our feet, and find out that one of us is half buried under the rubble, other ones get minor wounds and scratches. We started to dig to uncover the buried guy, after that we realized that he was almost shredded from his thighs down, and his feet were under the piece of concrete wall.

After one try to lift him, we realize that there is no way to do it.

His legs were in so bad shape that while I was trying to do some kind of bleeding control I realize that actually I do not have clue what leg is left and what is right. It was simply all messed up and mixed from thighs down. Under the knees I could see that all was mixture of white and red, pressed and mixed. And he was screaming big time.

Shelling started again, with pretty big chance for all of us to be buried under the walls. I would be a liar if I could say that I did not wanted to leave that dude there stranded, and just get the hell out of there, but somehow I still stupidly was trying to stop bleeding with straps from the shirt.

Then (luckily) one of the guys stepped out and pushed me. Then with a rifle bayonet he simple cut off almost amputated feet from stranded guy who luckily passed out, took him on his back and said “OK, lets go“. After we left the place, it collapsed from shelling. And strangely stranded guy survived everything.

If that dude did not cut his feet off we probably all got killed, or would have just left that man to die there.

Luckily one of us had common sense to do what has to be done in a very quick and efficient way, and he did not have any medical knowledge.

There are many more stories how people got killed in very stupid ways and stories how people who have common sense survived (more of that in my course), but you get my point.

A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.

You can follow Selco’s story at SHTF School and learn how he survived one year in hell. 

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    819 Comments

    1. eppe

      It’s all in your mind….

      • Unreconstructed Southron

        I wanted to comment on this article, but I’m having trouble deciding what to say.

        • Wison

          I was thinking I’d like the tank as pictured. Maybe there’s one available on government surplus auctions.

          • Mordecai

            “the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out”

            It occurred to me the other day that the novels dealing with SHTF scenarios have a common result: Nearly everyone who goes to their retreat ends up losing the retreat and having to move again, and maybe several times. I realize they are fictional novels, but this article does raise the possibility of having to keep moving and moving, and it is an article based on a real SHTF situation.

            • DRD5508

              Really? Older people won’t beable to stay on the move.
              The one thing is not being afraid to die for what you believe in (standing one’s ground). Basically, tptb are coming after the Christians and I am expecting them as uninvited guest.
              Want to test our faith sons of darkness? Bring it.

              • Realtime Prep

                There is a major difference between, surviving a disaster, and living in a world that has changed. Surviving the initial catastrophe takes a great many things most of all can be luck depending on the disaster. But living in a world that has been changed, that takes so much more than just simple preps, digging in, or bugging out. To live in the world takes the ability to overcome and adapt to ANY and ALL situations that could possibly present themselves. You have to be willing to fit into however the world molds itself in the aftermath, while maintaining whatever morals and principles that keeps you sane. Most of all you have to be able to act and or respond anything that would harm yourself or the people that you care about.

                RTP

                • Calgacus

                  American Indians faced the Federal govt and even with most tribes being nomadic and w/ principles, they lost the battle.
                  For them though, some war plans worked against the govt. Just ask Custer how that military training worked out for him.
                  We The People must think smarter, faster, and more adaptable.

                • John Q. Public

                  When you understand the blowback/payback that will arise from the people when the “elite” implement their economic devastation, you will begin to see why the Master Race “elite” are working overtime for our depopulation, not their depopulation.

                  Understand the implications of worldwide unemployment for the “elite”:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=74xPTVQx0Lc

                  Big time payback—and that is why they are trying to beat us to the punch.

                • IIC

                  Bottom line is guerrilla warfare is the ONLY way to take out a better-supplied enemy. That’s how they did it in 1776 and that’s how the Afghanis have survived.

                  Of course, this only occurs in a situation where you have a third party supplying you (as we were by the French in 1776; the Russians and China supplied Vietnam; we supplied the Afghanis against Russia; and in turn, the Afghanis are being supplied against us by Iran, Syria, etc.).

                  If you have a situation like North Korea where the tyrannical government is being supplied by a larger tyrant and you ARE not being supplied by anybody, you are nothing but FUBAR’d.

                • Agent Provocatour

                  That is the best response I have read on here! well said

              • BigB

                I don’t know nor do I know anyone who does know for sure at what given time and place who will show up. I do know that the younger me was tested many times over the course of my life and that I acted swiftly, perhaps not always in the manner that in afterthought was considered the wisest decisions but I did what had to be done.

                Problem with experience is not that you have the ability to act as decisively because experience jades your thought process with multiple outcomes. If that makes sense to any of you who have led call it for a lack of words, a robust life.

                BigB

                • hammerhead

                  BIGB – Makes alot of sense to me , having lived
                  a very “robust” life myself .
                  Now if i can find the “younger me” when i need him ,
                  then i will be fine .

                • Anonymous Patriot

                  Custer was arrogant and didn’t count on the fact that the Sioux would gather more warriors, and know how to draw them into the perfect spot for an ambush. Custer thought his regiment and guns were going to be enough. He was out numbered, and taken off guard. The natives understood the element of surprise and had fought successfully against other native tribes for decades, but their fear of the white man and their guns was deeply implanted into their minds. Crazy horse taught the warriors how to overcome that fear of their skin color and weapons. Another reason why they won that battle.

                  I took Native American studies in college. So much to be learned from them.

                • Odd Questioner

                  Selco’s point is a simple and sharp one:

                  Train your mind.

                  Train your mind to be flexible, all-observing, and adaptable.

                  Train your mind and body to react, and learn *how* to react. Learn how to quickly prioritize events as they happen, and act on them.

                  Dude is entirely correct. I spent a lot of time in the book saying the exact same thing – train the mind first and foremost. No amount of stuff will save you if your mind and body are unable to act in a rational manner.

                • Paranoid

                  Custer was an arrogant pigheaded ass. Who would go off and leave his command to visit his girl friend. He would leave behind his Gattling guns, refuse to believe his Indian scouts, who told him there were thousands of Indans, but still not go look for hmself or send out troops, divided his forces, and generally acted as he had in the War: Like a complete FOOL. He and Fetterman were a pair. As Fetterman said: “Give me 80 good men and I can drive the Indians out of here.” It’s estimated he chased 12-15 Indions over a hill into 800-1200. He and his 83 men all died. If I remember correctly the 1873 officers handbood told officers to remember their men were: Theves, liars, cowards, drunks and completely untrustworthy, but very cleaver so watch them. The officers often weren’t that much better. Lucky for them the Indians were much the same. Your are not the only one who read his history (But not the books the school’s recommended)

              • NC joe

                You have got to be kidding. Christians are the most self-entitled group n this country. If history is any guide and statements made by the likes of John Haggee, Huckabee and Barton, it is Christians who are the most likely to go after those whom they deem to be heretics. Take off your martyr syndrome glasses and get your head in the real world.

                • Son of liberty

                  Who the hell thumbed up homo joe?

              • Mordecai

                @DRD5508
                “Really? Older people won’t be able to stay on the move.”

                Yeah, really. And a lot of others with physical limitations, medication needs, lack of preparedness, lack of transportation, lack of …, etc. won’t be able to move, or they will be unwilling to move, and they will die as well. So be it. Afterall, some have speculated up to a 90% death rate within a year of certain SHTF situations. You’d better get your big boy pants on or go home. No sense in sugar coating it.

                • Paranoid

                  With tons of stuff; I’m not going anywhere. You want to pry me out of my home there’s going to be a lot higher casualty rate than 90 around here. Yeah I’m old, it took me 50 years to get this much junk.

                • PO'd Patriot

                  Parnoid, absolutely! their gonna have to burn the stump and sift the ashes to find me…….

                • Odd Questioner

                  @Paranoid:

                  I’d rather have the huge mob eventually rummage through the un-hidden stuff, then come back for all my goodies later, than be dead while clutching a jammed weapon in one hand and a half-shredded MRE bag in the other.

                  There are some situations where you just have to get up and get out.

                • Paranoid

                  ODD Q: I’n not going to run unless it’s to a better spot to shoot from. Sombody has to: “Stand and deliver” I don’t want it to be some young person, best to use up us old farts. The issue is can I get a good escort to Valhalla. If I can take enough with me it’s OK, I spent my life trying to improve things; good way to go. As the man said: ” What you waiting for; Move out; you want to live forever?”

                • Odd Questioner

                  Fair enough, but what if what’s coming is a forest fire?

                  Point is, you should always have a means of getting out of your shelter and remaining alive.

              • Feisty Old Broad

                The most formidable opponent is one who is without fear in the face of death…these ARE the people who should BE feared….not all us “old folks” are “out to pasture” just yet…
                Collectively, we have far more practical knowledge stored in our brains than they will ever be aware of.

                Faith…Family…Freedom…Forever

                fob

            • Johnson

              @Mordecai

              Stay away from crowds.

              Selco, thanks for your insight based on experiences.

              It occurs to me that people write novels about SHTF situations, they speculate on how it will all go down, they make recommendations and give tips on how to prepare based on what they write, heck, they even promote certain geographic areas of the US that everyone should move to and live. They make money from their writings, blogs, appearances at preparedness conferences, and advertisers. In reality they don’t know from experience what will happen. At least Selco can speak from experiences that he and friends had during several months of war and then the years of rebuilding afterwards. Now, unfortunately, things are going bad again.

            • Horse'sass

              I have been rethinking the commonly held assumption that for most(assuming you don’t live in the big urban areas which is statistically a death sentence)the best strategy is to stay put and avoid being a refugee and all its perils if you don’t have a BOL.

              Living in the deep south along the Mississippi in a gun loving, (hunting is the recreational pastime mindset -which has its definite advantages) I have begun to think more like Selco. Things don’t turn out as you plan or envision.

              My contrarian consideration is that down south everyone has guns everywhere, and has an over reliance on them to solve any potential problems if a shtf scenario unfolds.

              If these gun lovers find that they have not adequately diversified their preps into other areas like food and water, they may be more “inclined” to go to the dark side and take what they need at gun point, even if shots are exchanged.

              Thus, my interest in having more mobility. For the sake of argument, assume you have a 4 wheel drive truck and a trailer full of supplies that you can take with you on short notice so that you are not on foot with very little supplies, and that you have enough gasoline on board for 1,000 miles without refueling, and take back roads,etc

              What happens if you encounter a sudden road block, perhaps a deliberately fallen tree across the road, or a pile of rocks? In the same way a waiting ambush team can’t stay around 24/7, or might try to create roadblocks in one area to divert traffic to a kill and loot zone, one option may be to try to go off road and around the obstruction, the other may simply be to turn around and try an alternate route, which may lead you into a trap as well.

              It boils down to what should you take with you in this to deal with this possible event? My thinking so far is to have 1.)a chain saw (but the problem is the noise will alert those who have set the trap), but more importantly a large 2 hand saw and some pry bars- which would be no doubt more energy intensive, but quieter, and saving in gas and extra driving.

              2.) a winch to your truck to pull you out and the trailer if they get stuck in the event you have to go off road.

              What else? Chains/cables? a few planks of wood? Log pics?

              • Smokey

                The folks who put the tree or rockpile in the road are going to put it where you can’t just drive around it and keep on your merry way.

                An act of nature, you can get out and clear it.

                A trap is a trap. Plan on reconnoitering ahead of you.

                As far as serious cross-country driving, you will need :

                Two sets of chains for your 4WD
                A power winch and plenty of cable
                A quality hand winch/come-along
                Some sand and gravel for traction
                For deep sand or mud, some rolled carpet strips about 2 feet wide
                Two spade shovels, and one flat shovel
                Pulley blocks and logging chains, two each
                Chain saw
                Axe and small cross-cut saw
                Two spare tires on rims.

                Not to mention tire repairs, spare parts, tools, oil, lubricants, etc. Tire inflator, etc.

                • buttcrackofdoom

                  a PAIR of tow straps(heavy duty), and a way to attach them to the vehicle towing YOU out, or to a vehicle YOU TOW out…you MIGHT be convoying to have more security. i cleared a local road in the mountains after a foot of snow a year ago with my jeep, no winch. probly at least 10 trees had fallen on the mountain fire-road because of the snow loaded them down and made them fall across the road. some of them i had to use 2 straps to get to them in a way i could drag them off. the very last one i encountered another member of my 4×4 club coming from the other direction and we worked together to get the last and hardest tree off. on the way home on pavement i encountered a car(late-model) on a hill. i stopped to help her, but had nothing to connect her car to a tow strap. jeeps/trucks carrying tow straps are made for heavy duty stuff and all it would have taken was a small piece of chain, but i didn’t have one, so she got left(help wasn’t tooo far away.)

                • buttcrackofdoom

                  yes, a trap is a trap, but they MAY not be too serious, so if you had a couple flak jackets around you, it might get you through SOME of those “traps”…they can be had for 50 to 150 dollars(sometimes even LESS), and they will be PRICELESS!(possibly MORE expensive) when the shooting starts. a flak jacket in a backpack can be used as a shield, to place in the direction you might expect fire from(carried with you while OUT of the vehicle too). and don’t forget a couple 4×6’s or 6×8’s about 3 to 5 feet long for crossing obstacles…of course they won’t do you any good if you’ve never practiced with them…you’ld be surprised what you can get through with a 2wheel drive with the right equipment, and a little practice! a machete would be a good idea too…only 10 bucks or so for the peeps with limited money. and don’t rely on the JACK in the TRUNK!

              • lonelonmum

                It’s never gonna make it to a hollywood blockbustershtf movie but I’m convinced everyone who can should aim to be able to slip away quickly if needed on with a tent and bicycle.

                A pushbike is silent and can go where motor vehicles can’t. A small bivvy or pop up tent inside an abandoned building will give you some protection from the worst weather extremes. Add a straw filter and a means of boiling water and some common sense and most on here would figure out a way to live another day.

                I do worry sometimes that for many preppers, their addiction to “stuff” will get them killed. There is no point sitting on a 10 year supply of supplies if you aren’t alive to use it. Much better to help your loved ones slip away quietly and then figure out how to reclaim your turf on another day if a flash mob hits your home.

                Right now in the UK we have pretty extensive flooding in parts of the country where the lunatics have not yet taken over the asylum. It’s such a shame to see lively hoods, homes etc destroyed. Yet the death/injury toll has not been as high as it could have been thanks to that now out of fashion human quality – common sense. Check out the BBC website if you are interested. One city is now declared “closed”. I’m hoping Birt the Brit is not in one of the affected areas.

                • Gwyn

                  To Lonelonmum – Thank you for your post.
                  That is shocking to me, that a city is Declared ‘Closed.’
                  I will check out the BBC website. I appreciate your informative posts from the other side of the pond.
                  Please stay safe and well.

            • socmarine87

              If your not moving your dying. For those of you who are serious, you must be effective at night. I know it is expensive but thermal is a game changer.

              Keep your head on a swivel people.

          • jerrytbg

            You look down the barrel…distract em’…
            I’ll come up and get em’ from behind…

            A scary way to approach the problem but very true…

            I just hope when you all read what this man has done…you truly start to “game” every aspect of your daily life…

            What would or did Selco do…I mean everything!!!
            Even the trip to mailbox…

          • Sgt. Dale

            That’s a Russian tank.
            Sgt.

          • Shooter

            All ovomit does is lie.

            Do you remember this one? If you have a business you didn’t build that.

            • PO'd Patriot

              However I got an ass and you can kiss it (to Obama).

            • Nimrod Hunter

              Shooter,
              I saw a Domino’s Pizza commercial that had a sign saying “Yes, we did build this!”.
              I told my wife that it took a bit of balls to issue that slap in the face to Obama. That is, if I interpreted it correctly.

          • Them Guys

            EBAY Motors sometimes has Tanks for sale under the Military Vehicles listings. Usually has 70 or so vehicles listed. Most are 2.5 ton “Duece and a Half’s” army trucks and Jeeps. Tanks aint cheep! A British guy had a couple for sale there a couple yrs ago and his asking prices were around $55 to %75 Grand each!

            One had rubber treads for blacktop street use! ALL such tanks have decomisioned guns though…Made to NOT fire rounds….Its still a Tank otherwise though!

            Lots of good stuff for sale at that ebay motors page listing sometimes. Planes and Helos sometimes also!

            • CrabbeNebulae

              The sun came out today but the yard is a swamp so I can’t get my tractor out to go out and work in the pasture without tearing up the yard so I’ll just wait a couple more days. I split a rack of wood a couple days ago. The chickens are laying again and the best thing of all is tomorrow my briskets will be ready to cook / can / and eat! Don’t care if it rains, snows, sleets or shines… tomorrow I’m gonna eat some home made corned beef brisket on home made rye with home made sauerkraut. Wife broke out some hominy and green chili from the freezer that we made a year ago. Man… we are gonna feast tomorrow.

              • Sgt. Dale

                CN
                What are you drinking. If you invite me I’ll bring it.
                man that sounds GGOOOODD!!!!!
                Sgt.

                • CrabbeNebulae

                  Sgt… Generally I drink whatever I have on hand but mostly wine or a couple ice cold beers. I’m not much on pairing so I will probably throw down some cheap Carlo Rossi Cabernet or Chianti unless the daughter brings over some Irish ale. It doesn’t taste too bad if it’s cold and besides their ring handled glass gallon jugs are great for all kinds of stuff including bartering. I drink Carlo Rossi for the jugs, not for the wine. The wine is an afterthought. The jugs are great for storing used motor oil, kerosene, Clorox, water etc.. Also good for making small amounts of home brew or even to rack off a six gallon carboy into smaller jugs. The subsequent rackings are easier to work with than trying to manhandle a heavy full six gallon glass carboy on a small counter top. They fit the water distiller perfect. It’s almost as though Carlo Rossi designed their ring handled gallon jugs with all of this in mind.

        • wncmountainboy

          ditto…

      • OutWest

        It gets down to the Quick and the Dead……

        • OutWest

          Daughters joke:

          Know what that squishy stuff is between
          an elephants toes? Slow natives.

          • Ryback

            @ OutWest: That’s exactly how its going to be, Quick and the Dead. Who ever is quicker, thinks faster, and more mobile. Once you think you have everything figured out, who, what, when, where, how, why, YOUR WRONG! When it starts, everything will be a conspiracy, confusion, deception, intimidation and many other big words I cant think of right now. Basically you wont be able to trust anyone but that Boomstick you got slung on your shoulder. It will come down to some form of trust, or how fast your draw is. But the trust part might take a while. Watch Ur Sixx!

            • OutWest

              Ryback

              Survival will be left to pure instinctive reaction.

              It is something everyone was born with, but little
              chance to put it into use in a modern convenience
              oriented society.

              I almost think that a lot of pussycats will become
              raging tigers when put into a corner, more than one
              would normally expect. Just my guess though.

              • buttcrackofdoom

                i respectfully disagree, outwest….toooo many stupid people these days. and i hate to say it, but a lot of them NEED to die…chlorine for the gene pool, so to speak. just to many laws protecting the stupid from themselves nowadays. and the stupid that survive just breed MORE stupid. just look at congress if you need to see for yourself. no disrespect meant to the GOOD congresscritters, all three of ’em.

            • NetRanger

              How “fast” you draw? How about, like, 5 minutes before the guy gets there…

              Quick draw loses to smart draw every single time. Han Solo draw. You already have it out and ready. If not then he should already be in the crosshairs of at least one of your snipers by the time a danger exists.

              • buttcrackofdoom

                when you read ALL of selco’s stuff you’ll realize there MIGHT be encounters in the night where literally the first person to get the drop on the other will survive. shoot FIRST, and ask questions NEVER!….just like the cops of the 21st century!

              • Ryback

                5 minutes before the guy gets there? How do you know he’s coming, unless your stalking him or your camping. Its not going to be like the Modern Warfare games or in the Movies. You going to be on a scope at your hideout 24/7 sniping people? You get caught you will be skinned alive, literally? Most encounters will happen suddenly with out warning, and you have to decide if its going to be friendly or ugly and you have to think fast. You better be a quick with mouth or quick with gun. And yes there will be that little kid with a .22 trying to kill you. IT will become a hard cold world. And you better be too. Quick and the Dead get it!

            • QuantumBubbler

              You’re just describing a ‘close-quarter’ situation IMO

              Some preppers, with the benefits of foreknowledge from history and skills to reap the advantage of more advanced technologies will become the ‘goto’ people for how to reshape a local bartering system and the world will be saved from mankind’s overreach when he begins growing his own damn tomatoes!

              Anyway…

              Is anybody interested in amazing ways everything can be all right?

              • buttcrackofdoom

                i, personally, would LOVE to hear a good outcome for all the ails in the world right now. but every time i engage in a conversation with FACTS, it turns into arm-waving and calling me a racist(i hate poor people)….i don’t know you quantum b, but i betcha yer about to tell a FICTIONAL account of how everything works out OK….so, yes, you got a STORY….probly should start it with “once upon a time….”

          • Ted Kennedy

            It’s the jack asses that I’m worried about.

          • shi thead

            What really angered the rancher about seing his hired hand’s name written in the snow in urine?

            The fact that it was his own daughter’s handwriting.

        • Be informed

          ANYONE that has supplies and has some to a lot of survival knowledge is doing one thing, INCREASING THEIR CHANCES of surviving all sorts of SHTF from personal to minor to very catastrophic. This is what it is all about, just increasing your likelihood of making it through whatever that knows society down to its knees. This is why the more you are ready to better off you will be WHEN SHTF. Expectations can be high to survive anything, but those that have prepared will fare magnitudes better than those that have not. 🙂

          • eppe

            BI; Agreed, I was just stating what Selco is saying, “it is all in your thought process, ie, your mind”.

            • sixpack

              “Fear is only in your mind” – It’s up to you whether it sits in the drivers seat or rides in the trunk.

              • Mamma D

                Courage is the art of never letting anyone know you’re scared to death!

                • tzulu

                  1000 + thumbs up

                • DocLRRP

                  Got some combat time, there, Mama???
                  Good for you.

          • apache54

            BI
            YUP, most people will not know what they are capable of until they are faced with it! some will stand-up and others will fall short, BUT those who at least are TRYING to prepare do have a better chance than those who don’t, the hardest part will be when they see how cruel and ugly people will become when they are starving or just plain have no law to keep them in check, and the only thing to do so is a bullet!

            • NetRanger

              So, you’re saying, simply, that there will still be laws, just different laws. Instead of Color of Law, there will be Newton’s Laws (as they apply to accelleration, decelleration, impact, expansion, etc).

              Right?

              No, really, its just different laws. The thing is, instead of the fake Color Of Laws (that are, in effect “sayso” laws…) real law will be in effect.

              I think I like real law and I will get along with it and the world it is practiced in, well. Its the current world I can’t seem to function so well. You know, the one where you work hard and then they take your property and give it to those who refuse to work AT ALL… For some of us, life may look easy, but, inside we’re tortured.

              I know, I know, I’ve heard it all before, “You’ll change your tune when SHTF…”

              Well, we shall see. Looks like it might be fairly soon, too.

              My boss has already hung this picture on my door at work:

              http://www.thelolshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120718-222319.jpg

          • tzulu

            I agree. Chance favors only the prepared mind. Louis Pasteur

          • NetRanger

            BI, One thing that really gets me is that most preppers are like, “Well, I got me this here big pile of chow so I don’t have to go begging from the giverment. You all can just stand in line if you want but I’ll just have lunch.” …at least that is my impression.

            Guess what? I’ll be just as dirty and just as poor looking as the rest of them. I consider that sort of thing “Resource Enhancement Operations” or REOPS. If they’re giving out free cheese, go get it. Just beware of the trip pan. Don’t be thinking its just all fun and games but don’t think they won’t be watching, they being TPTW and your neighbors. “Hey! How come we never see the Rangers at the cheese parties?” They’ll know. Better show up or they’ll know you got food and when it all boils down to it, they’ll want some of it.

            They’ll use terms like “hoarder” or that you knew this was going to happen and, therefore, you helped cause it, blah, blah, blah. Won’t matter if its true, just if it could be true. They will use anything to justify the taking of your food and water.

            REOPS is not just REOPS, its part OPSEC.

            • laeagle

              NR,

              Every one had their hands out for free handouts in the aftermath of Katrina. I surmise that this is the situation in all shtf situations. Free water, MREs, personal hygiene supplies, money, rent fees, etc., etc. Just because you saved and prepped and planned for just such contingencies does not mean you reject the generosity of others, especially when there are no strings attached and your outlook is dire and there is no assurance that conditions will improve anytime soon. I have a feeling there will be some who will thumb me down, but, this is the reality. In a shtf situation you have to constantly be thinking about “REOp” and keep your options viable and open. Another moral dilemma.

          • buttcrackofdoom

            good one BI, yer always right on, but never more than what you said right there!!!

        • John W.

          That was a movie, a really stupid one at that. You may be quick one day and slow the next. When you are dead it is forever and there can be any number of reasons as to why. I would suggest talking to those who saw urban combat in Iraq or Afghanistan as to what can go wrong even with air support.

      • John Q. Public

        As is even evident here with the thumbsdowners and name-callers, many will deny what is real as a completely ineffectual way of dealing with difficult times and inconvenient facts.

        Psychological denial is an important and deadly enemy of common sense and survival.

        • DRD5508

          JQP, this past Sunday, I gave a sermon on ostriches burying their heads in the sand as many do, in order to avoid dealing with the truth. Denial is a disease, with tragic results.

          • shi thead

            I thought it was a river in Egypt.

            • laeagle

              SH, Very funny!

          • Tucker

            “Denial is a disease, with tragic results.”

            I’d call that a very profound statement. Denial about the truth behind 9-11 and a stubborn refusal to examine the facts and to engage one’s critical thinking skills – cost me a few long time friends. The frustration of sitting these morons down and trying to show them the facts that PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF ANY DOUBT that the official pile of manure we were fed was nothing but baldfaced lies – and to have these idiots refuse to admit they were suckered by a criminal hijacked government – served to turn my deep and well entrenched respect and affection for these people into a blistering hot hatred and contempt for their stupidity and gullibility.

            To this day, I cannot bring myself to tolerate being around people who are this stupid and this hard headed.

            Morons of this sort will get you and your loved ones killed in any SHTF / collapse situation – and its best to shun them like the plague.

            • JayJay

              Tucker, true–I feel the same about this.
              Also, if you didn’t provide for your family BERORE TSHTF, why would I want you around me after??
              You’ve already proven you lack thinking skills.

            • Anonymous

              The problem, Tucker, is there are 2 types of people: those who watch TV all day and those who are glued to the Internet. The people who watch TV are in a completely different world than those of us who are AWARE of how bad things are from researching stuff on the Internet.

              When you try to get them to see your world view (which is the anti-thesis to the world view presented by TV), they go bezeerk! We are awake; they are asleep and they resent being woken up!

              • Anonymous

                Either you’ve taken the red pill or you haven’t… just that simple.

            • NetRanger

              Tucker, Sounds like you’ve been doing your homework.

              I have exactly the same problems except switch out “911” with “Sandy Hook”. Its my hot button issue.

              Some people have their head so far up their ass that they will never be able to extract and live in a world where you have to deal with factual information. I still marvel at this: why can I see right through the lies the system tells me yet other people just accept it. Its not that I don’t want to accept it. On the contrary, I desperately do but it appears I refuse to allow myself to lie to myself.

              Do you see yourself the same way?

              • Them Guys

                How can They ever find that elusive Forest they heard of, when everywheres they go they keep smacking their faces into…TREE’S!….If not for those confounded Tree’s blocking their view…They’d be able to quickly find that damn Forest everybody told them of!

        • Scout
        • Anonymous

          BOMBSHELL RUNWAY MODEL WAS BORN A BOY!!! ON CNN– really weird!!

      • Ramadiron

        Is the one thing porn?

      • Paranoid

        Sorry but anyone that says they had no warning in YUGO was kidding themselves. Just after TITO died I told a Slav. I knew he was going to wish Tito was back, he said he’d like to hit me for saying such a thing. ( We were in Cal.) I just told him to watch. Well I was correct and I’m not that smart. that was an easy prediction The US State Dept was told the country would fall into shambles. This was no surprise, Nobody here should even consider being this far behind the reality.

        • Northern Reb

          PARANOID:
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
          Looks like I’m in good company with most of you all being in that 60 plus years young group!;-) The new 40’s right?????
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • Paranoid

            Thank you, I got this old by not dying the only way I know.

        • lonelonmum

          The citizens of a particular nation are often the LAST to hear about it when that boulder starts rolling down the hill.

          Most official news outlets are just propaganda machines. This all kicked off before the exponential rise of alternative news sites and social media.

          To stay safe in the West monitor Al jazera, Russia Today and the alt news sites such as those provided in the links column on this site. If you use social media tune into more than the kardashian channel. Monitor the movements of the chief execs of your local big corporates – if several suddenly decide to “retire” then it’s time to step up your game. Monitor the accident and heart attack rates of your state’s big wigs. By the time dissidents and intellectuals start disappearing you’ve left it too late.

          On a very serious note, if the dollar collapses the Chinese and Indians will know about it before Americans do.

          Selco was just an average young man, going about his business when all this kicked off. Post WW2 propaganda had led the man in the street to believe that the rest of Europe would not permit another Balkan meltdown. This was believable as the last conflict was still within living memory of the old uns. He’s someone who won’t be caught with his pants down a second time. My experience from meeting individuals from all over the world when I lived in Londistan is that this is a common sentiment.

          • eppe

            Selco says it is starting up again where he is, go check it out….

          • John Q. Public

            Yes indeed lonelonmum… and the US media corporations are owned and operated by….. [deniers should start their denial here]…. the children of the Father of Lies and Murder. John 8:44

            • The Old Coach

              Yah hadda stick that in here, dint’ja. Idiot.

              • John Q. Public

                Can you dispute the facts, Old Coach?

                Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

                • John W.

                  You would not know a fact if it walked up and kicked you in the balls. Just a stupid loser Jew hater.

                • John Q. Public

                  @ John W.

                  I hate nobody over things they cannot choose or control, so I hate nobody because of their skin color or place of birth.

                  I DO hate evil behavior and evil beliefs that are a matter of choice and free will, so I DO hate genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, rape, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds.

                  What about you, big mouth? Do you LOVE genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds? It seems so.

                  See you at the Judgment Seat.

                • The Old Coach

                  How can you dispute facts when you don’t have any?

                • John Q. Public

                  @ Old Coach

                  This is a bit dated, but start here:

                  “Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

                  Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

                  Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

                  Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

                  Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

                  Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

                  Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

                  Those seven JEWISH men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records….”

                  There are also the JEWISH MEDIA marchers (Yiddish slang for “big shots”) named in the Joel Stein article that Tucker linked.

                  Your turn.

                • John Q. Public

                  Darn spell checker made a typo. Should be: macher for “big shot”

            • Anon7

              Moshe Publicstein: The self-loathing Jew is at it again, trying to distance himself from some of his roots.

              • shi thead

                Say what you want, if there’s a shitstorm, Jews seem to be near.

              • John Q. Public

                Can you dispute the facts, Anon7?

                Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

                The rabbis’ tricks and ritual name-calling are losing their mojo.

                Facts trump tricks.

                • Anon7

                  Moshe Publikstein: Yes, when your so-called facts are manufactured by people who are more insane than you, if that’s possible, then yes, I have a problem with your “FACTS”. By the way, my DNA test came back and said 100% British Isles and northern Europe (Germany and Scandinavia). Not a drop of southern European or semitic blood. How about you, you self-loathing Jew! Or are you just an Arab? I know, your both so that’s why you’re so conflicted!!

                • John Q. Public

                  Risibly weak and non-responsive, Anon7.

                  Interesting that you would be so wrapped up in ethnicity that you would be tested (if in fact you really were). That kind of racial obsession is found most typically in adherents to Master Race creeds.

                  I haven’t been tested since I have no racial obsession. I know there is no racial backdoor to Heaven and no racial chute to hell. As a cradle Catholic born of cradle Catholics, I care about baptism, belief, and behavior—the same matters of free will that Jesus Christ said that matter.

            • nc bo/bo

              John. All jews are not saved, Just like some here. You can’t put all jews in the same box, What I do know is the day a nation turns on the jewish state .My lord will put his hand down.And ANYONE not standing with her is doomed.From where Im setting . This is the problem . Where the people have GOD, there land is milk/honey. Where is not HELL/ FEAR / war/ Where were we a few years back. What changed? Take all crosses down // cant pray// and wonder who that JESUS dude is. This is what the people of this land had done. And they don’t want any kind of TRUTH . laws are being overrun and newone’s put in place . Sick The Bible says this and it tell the people won’t see.

              • Anon7

                Moshe A. (Abraham) Publicstein: You’re problem is that you can’t process complex issues, so you over simplify them so that your weak little mind can understand them. Just because someone’s name is Jewish doesn’t mean that they are practicing Jews or even 100% Jewish. Like most folks here in America there’s so much mixing that no one is 100% anything. And just because someone who runs a large corporation has a Jewish name certainly doesn’t mean that he has total control of that organization. He has a board of directors and stockholders to answer to as well as the public, most of which are NOT Jewish. Then there are those that also work at these companies, again, most of who are not Jewish. So by the standards of that paranoid mind of yours, then each of these Jewish CEOs is some sort of Svengali, or that the all the non-Jews associated with them are just part of a vast conspiracy. I can hardly wait to see which one you choose, perhaps a mix of both. But hey, feel free to make up whatever delusion you like. Since I’ve just destroyed your little fantasy with logic, you’ll no doubt rant in some sort of denial and twist things around so that they are properly oriented to steady that diseased little brain of yours. Your mental contortions are always entertaining and I’d be interested in seeing how you’ll bend this all around. You must be a big fan of that other anti-Semitic psychotic, Fred Phelps, of the Westboro Baptist Church and of the Skin Heads.

                • John Q. Public

                  Nice try at hand waving and illogic, Anon7berg … except that THEY boast about THEIR control (see, for one of many examples, Tucker’s link posted above) AND the content of the media is completely consistent with Judaic hatred of Christ, His Church, His Commandments, and His people.

                  We know those CEOs not just by their names, but also by their anti-Christ fruits.

              • John Q. Public

                If you ever find a post of mine using the phrase “all Jews,” please let me know.

          • shi thead

            Any bets on whether tht UK or Sweden is Islamified first?

            • Anon7

              shi thread: The UK yes since they’re too weak (morally-politically)to resist but the Scandinavian countries have been rethinking their immigration policies and are cutting back, so maybe they’ll save themselves. So my money is on the UK to be the next Islamic country in Europe.

            • lonelonmum

              Given that the Scots are getting their long awaited for vote for independence soon, I’m not sure the United Kingdom of my birth will last long enough to become Islamified!

              If England does, I’m in a Celtic badland where the locals assimilated the Moors during the time of Elizabeth 1st. “Furrin” Muslims won’t be any more welcome than loony evangelical Christians, PC liberals or anyone else who might suggest that the shops on the High Street remain open after lunch on a Saturday lol! The UK is more than just Londistan, praise God.

              Historically Spain hasn’t been Christian very long and like the Balkans, the cracks are showing.

              • The Old Coach

                I think what you meant is that Spain as we know it today is a lot like Great Britain. Catalonia and the Basque country could be Scotland and Wales. It has always had cracks. Just papered over by force.

                True that Spain was over-run by Muslims, but the last battles to get rid of them were in what, the 1200s? It has been a Christian nation for 800 years now. OK, Andalusia never got over being Muslim. Andalusian Christians were as rapacious as Muslims, having forgotten their Christian tradition of charity over several hundred years of occupation.

                • John Q. Public

                  Since you mention Spain, Old Coach, in Michael Hoffman’s latest newsletter there is an excellent review of the alliance between the Moors and you know who in Spain AGAINST the Christians. That said, the main focus of the article is an exposé of their deception to conceal their virulent hatred of Jesus Christ and His People. As usual, they are damned by their own admissions.

                  LATEST NEWSLETTER
                  Revisionist History Newsletter no. 70:
                  The Rabbinic Curse on Christians

                  Denied for centuries, this bigoted curse from the misnamed “Amidah blessings” is documented by Michael Hoffman using the forensic methods of exhaustive research and detailed documentation which are a hallmark of his revisionist pursuit of truth wherever it may lead. Revisionist History newsletter no. 70 explores Talmudism’s hateful, ritual curse on Christians, which has echoed perpetually down the corridors of time since at least the days of Rabbi Gamliel, and continues in our time. Citing the Babylonian Talmud, cognate sacred rabbinic texts and the heretofore clandestine statements of the rabbis themselves, Hoffman offers incontrovertible evidence of the eternal hostility which Talmudism harbors for western civilization, which it ritually curses as malkhut zadon (the “empire of insolence”). Also included in this issue is a survey of the secret and ancient alliance between Judaism and Islam. The American Right imagines that Judaism is united to the West culturally and has good will toward the U.S. in particular. The truth of the matter is very different, as revisionist historian Hoffman demonstrates with his usual exactitude. Also in this issue: Black Journalist Exposes Anti-White Hollywood Movie “12 Years a Slave.”

                  http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2013/06/revisionist-history-newsletters-section.html

                • John Q. Public

                  P.S. You were only off by nearly 3 centuries, Old Coach. [laughing]

                  The Moors and their Jewish allies were finally driven from Granada in 1492 A.D., the same year that you know who were expelled from Spain, their Moorish alliance and their ritual murders of the Holy Child of LaGuardia and another at Saragosa.

                  From the indictment of one of the murderers:

                  “This Juce Franco personally took part, together with other Jews and with [Marranos], in the crucifixion –at night and in a secret cave– of an innocent Christian boy. They stretched out his arms and legs on two boards arranged in the form of a Cross. Then they flogged him, spat on him, beat him, tore out the pieces of his flesh, and put a crown of thorns on his head. This Juce Franco, with his own hands seized the bleeding boy by the arm, cut open his side with a knife, and took out his heart. Then he beat him and tore his flesh in memory and vituperation of the Sacred Passion of Jesus Christ our Redeemer, uttering curses and insults on the Person of Christ as though He were actually on the Cross. …And after the child had been tortured and crucified by this Juce Franco and the others, they killed him, took him down from the Cross, and took him away and secretly buried him that same night where no one could find him. Some days later this Jew, Juce Franco, and all his other accomplices in this crime, met together secretly in the same cave, where they performed certain conjuring and experiments in witchcraft with the heart of the dead boy and a consecrated Communion wafer. They performed these conjurings with the perverted and diabolical intention of making the Inquisitors against heretical depravity together with all other Christians go mad and die of madness, and of subverting, and destroying and killing the Holy Faith of Jesus.”

                  Longhurst, John Edward. “The Ritual Murder of La Guardia,” The Age of Torquemada. The Library of Iberian Resources Online, XI: 149-152.

                  The resource is online.

                • John Q. Public

                  See also:

                  Walsh, William Thomas. The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain (Rockford IL: Tan Books, 1987) Chapter 25, “The Crucifixion of the Holy Child of La Guardia Hastens Isabel’s Decision to Expel All the Jews from Spain – a Cause Célèbre,” 342-372

      • Anonymous

        “USDA Report Foresees Collapse of Agriculture” and “Industrial Agriculture Losing Ground Fast”.

        Also, new book– “Tribulation”

      • Anonymous

        Vice Special– Apocalypse, Man– part4 (Youtube)

      • laeagle

        Mac, Selco, Eppe, and All,

        There has been a cival war going on in Burma for over sixty years. Even as we speak people are being killed, tortured, women raped, and villagers forced to abandon their homes and fields as shtf for real. Please check out this website: freeburmarangers.org They are the real deal!

        • laeagle

          ChEck out http://www.freeburmarangers.org for pictures and firsthand reports of shtf in Burma. The Kachins of ‘Merrill’s Marauders and Never So Few” fame are getting pounded really bad by the Burma Army. Gen. Chenault who led the ‘Flying Tigers’ was from Louisiana and had a base in Burma before being forced to move by the invading Japanese Emperial Army. General Stillwell and his forces were provided invaluable assistance during the push to recapture Burma from the Japanese and establish a land route to supply the Chinese from Allied bases in India.

          • celedine poppy

            That is so sad and shocking! The website is an eyeopener. Thank you for sharing it!

      • Tom T

        Learn to assess, adapt and react. Know when to attack and especially when to retreat (which is most of the time) in survival situations. Learn to disengage your conscience as one person told me, “fair” is just a carnival in survival circumstances. That is how you survive! One of my wilderness survival instructors (in my youth) used to tell me “if you fail you die, if you succeed you get to survive today but, it only gives you more chances to fail tomorrow”. So you can never let your guard down ever in survival situations.

    2. wrong

      Exciting times..

      I’d rather be bored personally.

      Safe weekend everyone.

      • Kulafarmer

        I hear ya!

    3. Npgh

      Ironic that there is trouble is Bosnia again.

      • .02

        Not it is not, The US (Billjob Clinton) stepped in and didn’t let the people fighting finish it. The Serbs had them on the ropes and would have won and now would be ruling in New Serbia, if WE wouldn’t have interfered. All interference in a civil war does is create an uneasy truce. Old hatreds never die.

    4. BJinMaine

      You must have faith in God and yourself!

      • Sgt. Dale

        BJM:
        Amen.
        SGT.

      • Northern Reb

        BJ M:
        Don’t forget the people in your group.
        without the faith in your GOD and your family and the people you want around you. You will not survive it alone.

      • Iowa

        I’ll take God first.

    5. .02

      Selco will tell you, stay out of cities.

      • NetRanger

        Cities breed normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance. Those two things are like a squelch for your common sense survival insticts. Nature keeps raising the volume but you can’t hear anything. Then, once the squelch pops open, out comes a huge mount of sound and everybody panics.

        Cities breed “there is safety in numbers”. We’ve been told it all our lives, but, the numbers in the cities cannot be trusted. I wish I was farther from the cities, but, I’m reasonably well protected. Cities are concentrated resource drains and the flow comes from outside. The NB and CD keep the flow going but when they break down, the flow stops. The food stops. The gas stops. The electricity tops. Then, the civility stops and all hell breaks loose. 3 days or 3 months, it doesn’t matter. Have a place you can retreat to nomatter what.

    6. Jonny V

      Yep, good old common fucking sense, that’s the most crucial thing you need to ensure survival for you and yours… I guess that means that there’s gonna be one hell of a die-off because there ain’t many cocksuckers left here or anywhere else with even a lick of fuckin sense in their heads….

      • .02

        Katrina is a glaring example, the storm churned off shore for a week and still the idiots didn’t buy any water and was crying b/c Big Brother wasn’t coming with the Calvary fast enough. Instead, big bro seen the whole thing as a opportunity for target practice.

        • laeagle

          .O2, I was there, right in the middle of it. Most of us thought that the disruption would last for only a couple of days and life would resume like it was before. I watched and took pictures as the storm sideswiped the city. The next evening, we had a most beautiful sunset. Yes, there was some water left behind as a result of the storm and there was not electricity or running water, and for the most part, the city had been evacuated, but it was not until the night after the storm hit that we realized something had happened to damage the levies and water was pouring in and rising more than an inch an hour. It caught all of us off guard! For goodness sakes, we still had patients in the hospitals and in the ICUs.

          Hindsight is 20/20. Stored food and water would have done most people no good. People needed to evacuate. We have close to 2 million people in the greater New Orelans area including the Northshore and Westbank. It was a miracle that more people did not die. Our people are familiar with hurricanes and have lived with hurricanes and I must admit that some of us did feel like veterans of such drills, they say “familiarity breeds contempt”. Well, the unexpected and unplanned happened. My family evacuated with 2-3 days of clothes and supplies but didn’t get back home until 4 months later. Like Selco said, “A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.”

          Having endured the long slow evacuation traffic out of New Orleans the year before(there are few roads coming in and leaving New Orleans), I called my wife from work to stop doing what she was doing (she was buying school uniforms) and go home immediately and pack up and evacuate immediately. Within two hours she was on the road and was able to avoid the traffic jams and slow traffic. They made it to their BOL and I stayed behind. Folks, when the time comes, there may not be that much time to get your stuff and family together and evacuate in an orderly fashion. You will need to think and act quickly and adjust your plans as the conditions change and the situation demands.

          We certainly got our share of criticism and perhaps we deserved it, but, no one anticipated or could anticipate what finally happened. Many survived thanks to American ingenuity, tenacity, and the generosity of our neighbors, friends and family and the American people and the American government. Once the extent of the damage was realized help was organized in an orderly fashion and extended to all who needed help. We will always live with harrowing stories and there is no doubt that atleast for this generation the experience changed our lives and our way of thinking. We continue to live surrounded by water and below sea-level, but hell, this is our home, and we are proud of it. You all come and visit us and “Let the good times roll” once again!

          • wncmountainboy

            WOW! Imagine it…a sub-sea level city getting inundated with water. Would have never thought such a thing could happen.
            What idiots would think of building a population center there? Oh, my bad…it was the French.

            omelet du fromage, omelet du fromage.

            • shi thead

              I read that when LA was seeking statehood, the capital was placed in Baton Ruge instead of New Orleans because of the obvious danger of flooding.

            • laeagle

              WNCMB: Actually I consider myself a mountainboy and fell in love with the mountains in Eastern TN and Northwestern NC. I have many happy memories of times hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, fall-sliding, rafting, tubing, skiing, and swimming in that area. You are lucky to be living there and Lord willing, I would love to get back there.

              People live in many places in this world of ours for various and multitude of reasons. As can be seen from all the natural and manmade calamities that have befallen us during the past 10-15 years, I have come to the conclusion that there really are not that many places on this earth that are completely safe. Most places are vulnerable to one or the other of the following, including: Droughts, desertification, Earthquakes, Tsunamies, Flooding, Hurricanes, Tornados, Storms, Blizzards, Asteroids, Fires, Valcanoes, Wars, wild animals, poisonous plants, animals, critters,and geological anomalies/radiation/gas, Landslides, Diseases, Epidemics, Pandemics, Pestilences, to name a few.

              In other words there are very few ideal locations left in this world. With the recent cold snap, many of us living in the south wonder how in the world people can stand living up north! The wonderful thing is that humans adapt and find ways to carve out a niche to live and raise families even in some of the most harsh physical conditions.

              Lousiana is truly blessed with some wonderful natural resources, climate, and food sources. The Acadians who settled down here were a hardy bunch but they discovered a sanctuary by learning to understand and adapt to the conditions and available resources down here. Personally, I would call this area the South-central Redoubt. It is not called a “Sportsman’s Paradise” for nothing. The area is strategically located and with a little planning and forethought life can be quite secure and comfortable. We do need to respect mother-nature and build and live accordingly.

              Interestingly, the ‘idiotic French’ built their city on relatively ‘high-ground’ and during Katrina the ‘sinful’ French Quarters and Bourbon Street were one of the few places not flooded! Isn’t that ironic?

              Thanks for your comments! Come visit us sometime. But, I must admit that I do miss them thar hills you live in Mountain Boy!

              • Anonymous

                laeagle, that’s right! I was thinking of moving down south around the area you mentioned– mountains of NC.. but I heard about all the poisonous snakes… and of course, the futher south you go, the more poisonous spiders, all sorts of poisonous insects, snakes, whatnot… anyhow, not sure if I will move down there or not. Mountains are beautiful but I prefer northern climate and less bugs!

              • PO'd Patriot

                laeagle, been contemplating on heading down to Maggie’s Valley come March when we ease on into eastern TN to see “Maw and Pap”. I hear tell its a nice place to relax.

              • db427

                laeagle, see there lies the problem, you said those who settled there were a hardy bunch. people are no longer anything of the sort.

        • 1braveheart

          Howdy .02. The same idiots in Katrina had no problem looting stores and taking all kinds of things. I can still remember the videos of them taking big-screen TVs through the flood waters although the power was out at the time. I still laugh at their stupidity. all at the same time they were crying, “Where’s the government?”

          • laeagle

            BH, desperate people do desperate things, in desperate conditions. Looting and pillaging after a crisis or catastrophe is not so uncommon. Some may even think of it as scavanging. The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation. When there is no law, the lawless feel free. They feel free to do what ever they want. Of course, not without risks. I wonder, how many of us would pick up guns, food, and ammunition that didn’t belong to us in such a situation. Definitely a question for Selco, he will know.

            • .02

              The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation.

              I have to call bullshit on this one. If they were maybe looting pampers, baby formula and water that is one thing, but taking material possessions for “later” when the power is back on is pure ass thievery and the bastards should be shot.

              • Ryback

                If it gets really bad, no chance for recovery, people will kill one another for what we throw away today.

              • Jim in Va.

                Eisen; your idea of prepping will get you killed.

              • laeagle

                O2, You are welcome to take the first shot!

                • .02

                  Your posts are saying a lot about your character laeagle

                • shi thead

                  Keyboard commando. So full of shit, you squish when you walk.

              • laeagle

                E, in situations like this, people tend to grab whatever is there, whatever is left. Perhaps the flat screen can be used as a bartering item for something really essential to your survival. Your list of prepping supplies may make the difference between life and death. During Katrina, there were incidences where folks went out with what they called a Mississippi credit card (hose) and gas tank to siphon gas out of the abandoned cars to run the small generators. Many tools have to be improvised in dire situations like the aftermath of Katrina. Thanks for pointing this out!

              • NetRanger

                .02, I agree, however, why would you shoot someone for stealing a (at that point) worthless TV?

                You would not. You’d save your ammo to take care of those that would try to steal your food.

                Let the morons have their TVs. They’ll starve while they wait for the power to come back on. You won’t have to shoot them because those types always eliminate themselves first. The only reason they are around today is because the giverment keeps them alive by feeding and caring for form.

                • Jonny V

                  Exactly. If they had a lick of fucking sense in their heads, they wouldn’t be in that position in the first place. Idiots steal tv’s, and even if it’s wrong, it’s not my job to stop it. My job is to ensure survival for my family. The tv looters can go about their merry way until they present a direct threat, at which point they have to be addressed.

                • Paranoid

                  If you have the ammo, you should have; shooting the guy stealing the TV is a good idea. if you can get away with it. In a SHTF condition he’s going to have to be removed from the Gene pool, before he starts getting to be a problem, and he will get worse, not better.

              • Any Mouse

                In the longterm Cross is right. Having tools to be able to gain access to locked areas the have been abandoned will be critical.

            • Paranoid

              Looting food to feed your family is one thing, stealing TV’s is quite another. At least one food store gave it all away. Humans are humans, animals are animals. Wild animals get shot. two legs or four.

              • lower40

                paranoid

                i agree ,if your taking TV’s or basket balls or vacuum cleaners your a pc. of shit ,there aint anyway to spin it ,who the fuck is going to take a TV to barter ,hell they probly never heard the word ,probly thought you were talking about barter’s and james wine coolers,they were just plain simple fuckin scum ,opertunist, they’d just as soon took the TV if it was in your living room ,the only thing people like that understand is lead poisan

                • Any Mouse

                  The electric motor inside the vacuum could be repurposed quite easily.

              • Stephen

                If your house (and TV) was destroyed in a city-wide disaster, and you knew it could be weeks or months before you could afford to replace them (even with insurance) then that unguarded flatscreen will look awfully tempting.

                Although I suppose you and your family can sit on overturned buckets, singing Stars and Stripes Forever for a couple of weeks, secure in the knowledge that your honor is unblemished.

                I’m only saying not every looter is an idiot loser who’s trying to profit from misery.

                • shi thead

                  Its easy to babble about “honor”, but in a real crisis, everybody’s value system becomes “fluid” and “evolves”.

                • Ordinary Joe

                  @shi thead
                  Very true, I find it humorous that these people on here state we will keep our wits with FAITH, GOD, AND MORALS. When it all goes down all that other crap goes out too. It truly is going to be every person for themselves, even in family or group situations.

                • lonelonmum

                  don’t have a tv now – why would I want one after a disaster?

                  Once we get home and shut my front door, my home is my child’s sanctuary from all the filth outside.

                  Wanna give the next generation a chance?

                  Get them out of state-run schools and get rid of the TV. Do not allow them to have anything other than the most basic brick style mobile phones in case of emergency on trips away. (Nobody is gonna kill your teen for a Nokia 3210 – the same cannot be said of an iphone!).

                  If my kid wants to watch TV? I’ll get the parts from the tip and let him sit there and build one for himself. In years gone by, most little boys built their own radio at some point.

                • lower40

                  OK ,stephan ,shi ,ordinary joe

                  what you are saying is that a crisis gives you an excuse to become an animal ,and your saying that if it suits you then you’ll come and take whats mine ,after all anything your stealing belongs to some one else ,and yes my FAITH ,GOD, and MORALS will still be in place in a shtf ,but why am i telling you ,your obiously making a slight on christians, i cant imagine how the hell anyone could be thinking about whoa is me i dont have a big screen TV in this crisis ,like i said before ,a theif is a theif is a theif ,take somthing of mine and i promise you wont be around to enjoy it

                • Paranoid

                  A TV IS NOT A SURVIVAL ISSUE! Mostly it’s anti survival. You get shot stealing bread for your kids that’s bad. You get shot stealing a TV that’s Good.

              • Anonymous

                If your chances of survival are down to the lowest level possible, who gives a fuch about “laws” of the land! Geezh! Give me a break! They were in SHTF!

                • Anonymous

                  iF THEY WERE STEALING FROM NEIGHBORS, THATS ONE THING: THEY WERE STEALING FROM STORES– THE ESTABLISHMENT WHO HAD DESERTED THEM!

                • lower40

                  has everyone lost there fucking mind on this site ,really its ok to take from the buss ,im a buss work my ass of for the little money i make ,a freind of mine has a little store he aint making a killing ,i have several freinds that are self employed ,work there ass off just to stay afloat,you people put me in mind of a drunk that runs his mouth and says shit when he’s drunk that he wouldnt other wise say ,the fact is he’s saying what he really thinks ,i hope when you go to take your big screens and dildo’s and fake chrismas tree’s ,that you get just what you deserve ,and then some

        • John Stiner

          I think a lot of people don’t realize they are in a crisis until it is too late. They fail to see the gravity of the situation.
          I am an insurance adjuster and I did Katrina claims. In Chalmette LA just outside of New Orleans I adjusted several houses in a two street neighborhood. All nice houses. About every other house was a 2 story house. There were 48 dead people out of about 100 houses. Basically everybody that lived in a single story house died, but the ones in a 2 story house lived. The storm surge went from zero to 10 feet in less than 5 minutes.

          The people did not realize that they could die. The were totally caught off guard and could not even flee to their neighbors house for protection.

          Before you can respond to a crisis you have to realize there is a crisis approaching or in progress. Most people will never see it coming.

          • Merree

            I have gone to some disaster planning meetings where there were accounts from the medical staff at the hospitals in New Orleans. The hospitals didn’t anticipate the flooding but they did have some disaster planning prior to the event. One nurse reported that having a security team was very valuable because it kept the looters out of the hospital.

            Another thing that struck me- many of the people who died were over sixty. They had been through previous hurricanes in their homes and they were confident they could survive. In some cases, they wanted to stay to protect their homes from looters.

            One sad image was a woman who found her elderly father dead in his attic, clutching a baseball bat and a Bible. She thinks he died from the extreme heat after the flooding because he had a heart condition. He had refused to evacuate so he could protect his home. I think this might be an important lesson for survival.

            • laeagle

              Merree, There was no rain or cloud cover the day after Katrina passed through and it was miserably hot. I could see how the old man died of heatstroke and dehydration. It is understandable that one would want to protect their home and property and you use whatever you have to do so, even a baseball bat if it comes to that.

              Most of us were thinking we had been spared a direct hit the day of Katrina since the storm pivotted to the east just south of us. The shock came two days later when we were getting inundated with flood waters. The situation in Chalmette and the lower ninth ward was dire once the hurricane hit.

              Like Selco says, “Those who can switch fast and let their ideas of normal life go increase their chances of survival a lot.”, we have to be willing to adapt to new situations and circumstances and even abandon property and possessions if the situation becomes untenable or life threatening.

            • shi thead

              And to this day, the residents of New Orleans struggle to rebuild their city below sea level.

              Levee system=protecting your city from floods with literally a pile of dirt. What could go wrong?

              Scary when you think of the collective centuries of “higher education” the designers possess. If these are the best and brightest, USA is doomed.

              • NetRanger

                No only that, Si Thead, a pile of dirt “build by government employees”.

                Government is the Anti-Midas. Remember the story of King Midas? Every thing touched turned to gold. Well, everything the government touches turns to complete and utter DUNG. Dangerous crap, that is.

          • Them Guys

            Hard to see it coming when EVERY MSM TV News and the weather chanel Tv is broadcasting 24/7 for one or Two weeks in advance of the worst ever hurricane aproaching YOUR town eh!

            Boy there sure seems to be alot of liberal types here makeing all types of excuses for african monkys who Loot at every chance, crises or not!

            I learned from 43 yrs life in Detroit, ground Zero for ruthless jungle minded african rioters and looters.

            That whenever blacks riot or loot and Burn down their neighboorhoods it is due to their mindset that by doing such the blacks are sticking it To the Man!

            To the White man!…Its all about “We gonna show dem whiteys Now aint we!”.

            Vast differences exist based on race and related issues.

            Sorry to burst any bubble fantasy’s but we are NOT all the same except for “color”…Yeah we are all the same when its about various human rights etc…But…Thats…where it Ends for equalities.

            Compare ANY BRN (black run nation) like Hati or africa to any whitey run nation and nobody can dispute a vast difference.

            Makeing so many excuses for every wrong action done by blacks just enables them to never change for the better.

            Nobody has had more opertunities the past 50 yrs than blacks has had. After 40+ yrs of liberals attempting to Boost Up blacks to be as intelligent etc as whiteys are, and Failing in every area…Do libs finally Admit to failures?…NO!…Libs instead adopt a New tactic!

            NEW Lib Tactic= Since negroes as a whole cannot be equalized UP with whiteys…Lets just reverse our lib plans and take whites Down. Very Far down untill blacks & whites are equally down and dumb.

            Newsflash! NOTHING in entire universe was ever created “Equal”…Even every snow flake is “different”…NO animals or birds are equal.

            And NO two humans are equal in ways libs try to equalize everything.

            After 50 yrs of black run major cities, and the fuckin huge Mess that caused…How in the world can anybody still make excuses for blacks wrong behaviours?

            And if blacks cannot Learn civility and how to act like white folks after several Hundred years of life in white nations?…..Maybe abe lincolns orig plans to send em all Back to africa is what Libs need attempt Next eh…

            If theres simply zero differences and nothing wrong with blacks generally?…Why has africa and hati etc not yet been made equal to white western nations in general?

            I just do Not understand why it so bothers some folks to admit that some races Are inferior to other races in most general ways etc…

            Yes there are exceptions as there always are…But That wont change reality that what I stated is correct like it or not…I wonder How many lib types who keep makeing excuses for blacks regardless what wrongs blacks does, has ever said “gee I sure wish I could switch to be a black instead of a white man or women?”

            NONE I’d wager!…Why Is that?

            • Gwyn

              Well said.

              Worked with the ghetto mindset for 12 years and 3 months at ‘de red cross.’ I felt like I was back in the early 60’s. The poor, oppressed, downtrodden blacks I worked with had a chip on their shoulders and made it rough for the ‘whities.’ Of course, all it showed was their – ‘ Ignorance, Stupidity, Reverse Racism, Self-Centerness, and childishness.’ Management, who were primarily black, ignored it, encouraged it, or looked the other way.

              I remember a white donor being totally ignored by the all black staff, (except for me, as I was the whitey)
              The blacks all sat around the black supervisor table laughing and screaming, and talking their ‘ebonics.’
              The guy was an older man but sat and finished his canteen refreshments.

              When Mikey Jackson the pedophile died, you’d have thought Jesus Christ died a 2nd time.

              I threw in the towel and quit, using my 4 yr. college degree, cum laude, in another way. I thought I was helping people, and maybe I helped a few here and there, but the work environment was Hostile and Terribly Mismanaged. Fubar.
              They are always crying for blood and money.
              I can see why. Go to a blood drive and watch the circus.
              Its laughable. They’ll be a-hurting when synthetic blood keeps on being developed. The FDA has a field day
              fining the red cross Millions and Millions of dollars.
              Of course, they have a special slush fund, just throw the millions at the FDA and keep on screwing up.

              To this day, I cannot watch any black that is on the t.v. except the weather channel. I don’t watch that much t.v. anymore, anyways, I am mainly on the computer.

              It is a Whole Different Culture, A Whole Different Mind Set, and A Whole Way of Behavior. It will Never, Ever, Ever Change. Even when they are educated. They still have that residual ‘I hate whitey’ attitude.
              I have seen it, been around it, and saturated in it.

              Its been a joy and refreshing to not be around ‘them.’
              And I never will be again.
              Am I prejudice? You betcha.

              Wheres dat ‘Knock – Out Game?’ Gotta kill me another whitey.

              • Gwyn

                The above post to ‘Them Guys.’
                My last sentence was ‘Sarcasm, Big Time.’
                In Sports most are Thugs, in Music most are Thugs.
                J-Z is a Pig.

          • laeagle

            JS NR TG SH Anon, et al, Great discussion, many salient points worth further development and expansion. I am not a liberal trying to defend criminals but as has been pointed out by some and by Selco, your way of thinking has to adapt in a paradigm shift or you will not be able to survive. I do believe our relationship with God is fundamental and our accountability is eternal and our actions cannot be hidden under the cloak of darkness even in a shtf situation.

            For me, the black man or woman is just as much my brother or sister as the white man or woman. There are levels and differences in IQ among all races, and it is quite possible yours are higher than mine but that does not make me less human or of less worth than you. I know a little Black boy from the “hood” who has an IQ that is at the highest level. At age 11 he has been admitted to Rice University and to MIT with full scolarships! Who has enough wisdom to put value or a price tag on a human life? Certainly, skin color cannot and should not ever be used to assign value

        • John W.

          Actually it was little bro who turned down all offers of help before the storm hit. Assets were in place including a Navy LHD big deck but both the governor and the mayor refused to take any action. Had Bush moved on his own then the racism charge would be thrown around. Remember all the school buses that could have been used to get people out but Nagin did not use them because they were not good enough and instead left them to get flooded out and ruined.

          • Merree

            I think the mayor of New Orleans had a meltdown and failed to bring in many of the resources that were available. I think he was like many politicians- able to maneuver and manipulate to get into a political position but no real common sense and no ability to deal with something out of the ordinary.

            I had been through some disaster training and they told us about medical and relief pods that are available. Here in Kansas, they supposedly can be delivered anywhere in the state within 24 hours after a disaster, like a major tornado. But the governor has to order the National Guard or the military to send the pods to the location. I know other states have these too and they are also able to send the pods to assist other states. I think my family got tired of me saying, “why is no one sending the disaster assistance pods to New Orleans?” while I watched the news of the disaster. But they only get sent in if the people at the top allow it.

            • eppe

              Merree,
              I worked at a company called Cox Communications, where Nagin was the head of the cable side there in LA. He was an idiot then too. He had zero common sense, and showed it often. Not being racist, but common sense means a lot in the corporate world, but they promote those to the upper echelon by being a “YES” man whether or not they deserved it, and it showed as being mayor of New Orleans, dammit we should have picked our own cotton….

              • 1braveheart

                Eppe, I say the only way Nagin got anywhere was affirmative action. As a black male he’s entitled to special treatment under federal law.

              • Merree

                I agree. A very long time ago, I worked with a black man and he was having an affair with another employee. He turned the company’s petty cash fund over to her for her personal use. The company ignored all of that. Instead he was held up as a great asset and received many awards. When I pointed out a number of very serious criminal behaviors, he was quietly let go. Then he pops up soon after as the mayor of a town in a nearby state.
                In both cases, he was able to use the race issue to win political favor.

                On the other hand, I have some other friends who are black and are very upstanding citizens. They work to get ahead on their own merits and they struggle to succeed. I have a lot of respect for their integrity. They are sort of “anti-politicians”.

      • 1braveheart

        Jonny V, welcome aboard, and you’re right there will be a massive die-off, called ‘the great culling’ by some of us here. Far too many refuse to wake up and get a clue.

        • Jonny V

          Thanks BH! Been here for years though….Not as long as DK or Netranger, but since 2007 or so anyway, just don’t post all that often. I figure that everything we post on here is copied and kept by NSA, (they have no right but do it anyway), so the less they get the better……

          • Jonny V

            2009 not 2007……Don’t want to claim any credit where it’s not due…..

            • 1braveheart

              Jonny V, sorry, I just don’t recall anyof your posts from the past. Only been here since July 2012 myself.

              • Jonny V

                No harm no foul BH! It’s been a hell of a ride watching this website go from 90 comments per post topic to 300 comments……

                There’s old guys on here that know lots of stuff…

              • eisen's brother

                Herman, that’s up to Mac whether braveheart stays or leaves. That’s not your decision to make so back your stupid ass off.

          • .02

            Don’t let fear control you John. FUCK YOU NSA!! see how easy that was?

            • Jonny V

              Like a hot ham and swiss, with a bag of chips too! .02, you are one of the bright spots around here………

      • Anonymous

        Your obscenities are not welcome. Go away, kid.

        • .02

          You go away Anon if you cant handle it. Maybe you should be on Christian Mingle? No censors please.

          • 1braveheart

            .02, I agree, no censors, and I won’t even say please.

          • laeagle

            .02, What goes around, comes around. You were judging my character but you don’t really know me, do you? There are many things that are done in desperate SHTF situations that may not be acceptable, moral, or expedient. This is the whole point of this article. If there are situations where you are prepared to kill a child, your going to tell me that you are not going to take that big abandoned flat screen TV, or siphon gas from an abandoned car because your character is ‘above reproach’ or your character might get stained? Yet, you are prepared to resort to cannibalism to survive! Something wrong here. Hypocrisy? It sure smells like it! No?

        • shi thead

          Are MY obcenities welcome?

          • John W.

            Your very existence is an obscenity.

      • Arby

        I’ve said it before but…

        Have you noticed that COMMON SENSE is not so Common?

      • sixpack

        Jonny V, you mean like the people caught in a hail of gunfire, who will invariably stand up and look, trying to see if they might know the gunman?

        • Jonny V

          Yeah them too…….:)

      • tzulu

        JV
        if its called common sense, then why do so few seem to have it? 🙂

      • ruth

        You tech geeks must work harder on developing that artificial intelligence I keep hearing about. The naturally occurring variety is getting hard to find.

    7. laeagle

      Selco always says it like it is. His points are well taken.

      • admin

        No doubt – he’s the real deal.

      • Heirloominati

        Sober thinking for a deranged reality.

      • The Old Coach

        I’m reminded of Col. Boyd’s OODA loop that fighter pilots are taught.

        Observe
        Orient
        Decide
        Act

        He who does it fastest wins the fight.

        Or stays alive.

        • lower40

          the old saying of the old timers down here in the everglades was

          “suspect every mann”
          “settle your own quarrels”
          “never steal from an islander”
          “stick by him even if you dont know him”
          “shoot quick when your secrets in danger”
          “cover your kill”

    8. Norse Prepper

      I always appreciate Selco’s articles. I’m also one that hopes we don’t ever get to this point in America, but don’t see how a collapse can be avoided, only delayed.

      As much as some say “Bring it on!”. I’m of the opinion that there will be too much pain/strife/death of good people that I pray for some form of miracle.

      In the meantime we all need to prepare for this to happen and be ready to protect those who we choose to prep for.

      God Bless,
      NP

      • 1braveheart

        Howdy, NP, I’ll always stop the world to read an article written by Selco. He really is the real deal. Everyone would do very, very well to follow his advice. Selco will never steer you wrong.

    9. Azam

      Always a good article. I read a lot of the stores from this war from people who survived it. It is always good to hear advise from people who really experienced the events first hand.

    10. MXLord327

      This is why I’ve never really like the terms “prepper” or “survivalist.” It is more about conditioning yourself to be aware of what is going on around you, and to be able to recognize when your thinking or plans are wrong for the situation, and improvise & adapt quickly. Kind of like our stupid gov’t, continuing down the same incorrect path will get you killed….

      • Joey

        That’s why I don’t refer to myself or others like me as preppers, we’re warriors plain and simple.

        There’s a BIG difference in the mindset of a warrior and that of the media-hypnotized, cowering sheep.

        Dressing up to play GI Joe, as our local oppressor enforcers like to do on our dime, isn’t going to amount to a hill of ish when the time comes to ‘Knuckle Up”, except for providing us with a lot of slightly used equipment…

        • .02

          A lot like the French rifles in WWII, “almost new only dropped once.”

          • no justice

            Actually, the French Mas 49-56 is a nice rifle, even if ammo is a it hard to find. Not bad to reload, though.

          • Paranoid

            Actually, most of them were dropped twice. Once in WWI & Then WWII. And yes, there were a few nice guns. Most were true S***, Their machine guns were terrible and their rifles were so bad the allies found them in piles after the war was over, the Germans didn’t even bother to melt them.

            • shi thead

              Interesting that despite the technological achievements by the Germans in WWII, they still tried to fight that war with bolt action rifles. Semi autos weren’t exactly new to the world.

              • Paranoid

                It was on purpose; it cuts down on wasted ammo by much more than half. Actually close to 90% The Germans knew they did not have the capacity to make that much more. As it was they never did run out of ammo.

          • John W.

            An entire generation of French men was wiped out in WW1. Had the US suffered the same casualties we might not have done so well either. Ever looked at the numbers of killed and wounded from that war? Not to mention the disease casualties. How many wars you fought in clown?

            • lonelonmum

              Spanish flu took a lot of lives too at that time John W.

              The young and strong were the first to fall victim to that awful pandemic.

            • ruth

              Until the Viet Nam era, more soldiers were lost to things like disease than enemy action. America’s experience in Iraq highlights how far trauma treatment has come, as long as you have enormous resources to throw at it, which isn’t the norm.

            • Paranoid

              Did you ever look at why they lost so many men? Absolute total incompetence.. Thank God Black Jack Pershing told them he would NEVER put an American soldier under the command of any Foreign officer and the President backed him up. Brits were just as bad. There should have been wholesale hangings of the General Staffs.

      • Prepared Pastor

        Inability to adapt summarizes the entire book Why Complex Societies Collapse. It’s a great book and probably available through your local libraries inter-library loan.

        • The Old Coach

          I assume you mean “The Collapse of Complex Societies” by Tainter?

          • John W.

            Read “erectus walks among us” by Richard D. Fuerle which depicts what will happen when the Western societies cease to exist and the world slowly drifts back to primitive/savage conditions. It will only take a generation to be back in the time of Columbus as to living conditions.

      • lower40

        agreed MX

        a better phrase would be critical thinker ,or having situational awarness ,but this should be apart of your daily life ,if you aproach a intersetion and have a green light dont just assume you can just breeze right through ,when you go in a restaraunt observe you surroundings ,if your talking to a shadey character that makes you nervous put you hand in your pocket on your gun(unless you live in NY or cali)my dad just called it having common sense

        • jerrytbg

          “situational awareness” …

          Spot on…this is an ability that can be learned and honed sharp…To the point it becomes second nature…
          thank you DOD… 🙂

    11. JayJay

      Well, Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

      This special amendment is no revolutionary new thought, only common sense.
      The law states:
      (i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
      (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
      (2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
      (3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.

      It is through legislation such as this, which will empower people again and aid in bringing down these tyrants from their pedestals, who are given free rein to murder and pillage without consequence.
      Emphasis is mine.

      • VRF

        we already have this..its called the 4th amendment.
        they can stop making up any new bullshit “laws” ..its already covered under the supreme law of this land..the Constitution and Bill of rights

        Come thru my door unwelcome and uninvited , you’ll get to meet God and my Gun.. Simultaneously
        I don’t give a shit who they think they are..a fancy out fit, and a badge dont stop a 12 gauge

      • Smokey

        The phrase “reasonably believes” is the one that is going to get you in jail for a long time.

        When the deputy comes up to your car and you start thinking about blue helmets and FEMA camps, you are beyond the intent of the law and are going to be put away for it. A jury is not going to agree those are reasonable beliefs held by a prudent individual.

        The 4th Amendment is the key, and the courts are the defense.

      • JayJay

        Cop Killed During a No-Knock Raid, Texas Jury Refuses to Indict Homeowner –

        In a clear victory against the police state, a grand jury in central Texas refused to press capital murder charges against a homeowner who shot and killed a police officer after a SWAT team unexpectedly burst into his home to execute a no-knock raid.

        • 1braveheart

          JayJay, I posted a link to that story above.

          • JayJay

            thanks–I figure if anyone needs proof, they can Ixquick it. 😉

            • tzulu

              love the ixquick

        • Sgt. Dale

          J J
          I pray for the Officers family. That there pain from their loose will be removed.
          I think No-Knock raids are WRONG!!!
          Sgt.

          • sixpack

            Yep, Sgt.

            Unless you’re standing on Manuel Noriega’s doorstep, no-knocks have no place in law enforcement. The idea that it is acceptable to kill one or more people to “preserve evidence of a crime” is ridiculous—especially since they’re usually talking about a little bag of some kind of dope, before it gets flushed down the toilet.

          • JayJay

            Agreed—but this message MUST get to the other Rambo cops out there–we are tired of injustice for injustice for one is injustice for all.
            It is time for all to accept responsibility for protecting their families–it is our job–not Rambos.

          • The Old Coach

            IMHO the unions need to be squeezed out of law enforcement. The invariably support the miscreant, and make next to impossible for management to maintain a high quality work force. At least that’s what I saw the UAW doing when I was serving my 15 year sentence as a Tier One supplier to GM and Ford.

            • shi thead

              80% of GM’s suppliers say they’d rather not do business with them.

              • The Old Coach

                Before I got to Michigan I did contract admin for DoD jobs for two different employers. Then I got roped into working with GM. And I kept saying ever after that I never dreamed I’d look back fondly to the days when I dealt with the Government.

            • shi thead

              In this part of the world, 90% of fired cops get their jobs back in arbitration. Makes the city/county reluctant to fire them in the first place.

          • John W.

            They even do them for civil matters which is outrageous. These are monetary fine type cases and there is no reason to show up with AR-15 armed Keystone cops. The one in Iowa where they destroyed the homes surveillance cameras was typical not to mention what looks like ten or more bozos in full battle gear to serve a no knock on a non violent minor offender.

        • lower40

          back in days when a lot of square grouper was being brought in Via the everglades ,the cops were like rabid dogs ,they would bust in the doors on the wrong houses regularly ,some times they would get the right duplex ,but then would bust through the divider door between the two into the next renters apt.

    12. .02

      Most young people in America are selfish, lazy, and think Jimmy Johns should deliver sandwiches directly into their mouths. Most young Americans think they can ride the coattails of previous, hardworking generations. In the trades, construction, plumbing, etc, the 20 somethings are not joining b/c it is hard work. They are gona be fvked when the pipes freeze and the garbage disposal backs up because there is going to no one in America that cant fix anything after the boomers die out. Believe me, I work construction and our industry is loaded with gray hair.

      • Caliber

        at least you said “most”
        im 24, been working same job since I was 19. moved up fast, skipped college, no debt.
        i consider myself to have common sense. my buddies laugh when i say they need to stock up food and water in case of job loss, or any shtf event.
        high school teaches us that the government will always have your back. its depressing.

        • Kulafarmer

          Right on C,
          Good to hear, your not alone and things dont change, i used to get the oh you didnt go to college thing, and the oh your a carpenter, ha, now lots of those same people are sucking wind and cant do shit.

          • sixpack

            This carpenter made almost $30.00 an hour, or prevailing wage…let ’em laugh at that. I laughed all the way to the bank.

            • The Old Coach

              Until some illegal wetback took your job…..

              • sixpack

                No wetback took my job. I suffered a spinal injury.

                • John W.

                  A buddy of mine who was a framer in Texas told me how most crews are all Mexican. Should an Anglo get on a crew they will drive him off by screwing with him and his stuff. Favorite was dropping things from an upper floor. Most got the hint and quit.

                • sixpack

                  I think I’d have dropped something dirty, greasy and wet off of some scaffolding somewhere…as I said—NO WETBACK TOOK MY JOB.

              • Them Guys

                So wetback bashing is Okay? As long as nobody says any truths that portray jews in a negative way right?

                So….Typical eh

                • lastmanstanding

                  For what it’s worth, most wet-backs just want a job.

                  Most jews just want a servant…and all the control that comes with it.

                • Sgt. Dale

                  Last:
                  It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.
                  Sgt

                • lastmanstanding

                  That it does Sgt…day of reckoning is coming.

                  I know that you will do the right thing.

                  God Bless you and…

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

                • sixpack

                  Them Guys, I was hypothetically referring to someone who was hypothetically trying to get rid of me at my hypothetical job. No kind words for that guy, and I’d use any means necessary to keep my job, conventional or not, regardless of race issues.

                  Did I mention my married name at one time WAS Martinez? A mexican-indian born in Colorado.

            • Shootit

              Currently we are at $45.00 an hour or we bid the job and figure it at $60. Work for friends at $30 cash.

              • wrong

                35 is about our max here in n Michigan. Works for me.

              • sixpack

                When I was contracting for myself, I did the same thing, shootit. When I was last working heavy construction was in the late 90’s, and I was a member of the UBC, so I was union. Seems wages haven’t gone up much since then.

                • sixpack

                  …which any way you slice it, it was better than siting on my ass collecting SSI and food stamps…

                • Shootit

                  If you factor in the “real value” of the dollar our wages must be about 1/2 of what they were in the late 90’s. No unions on my end. Our largest project over the last couple of years was a $450,000 house. We do a lot of remodels, garages, and concrete. I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything.

                • sixpack

                  “I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything”

                  AMEN, shootit!

                • Shootit

                  Did you ever realize that a six pack of beer’s price is directly related to the minimum wadge. Just think back in history and a premium beer’s price = minimum wadge. Holds true today.

        • shi thead

          I hear there are manygood jobs in the trdes left unfilled because of a dearth of interest. Welders and plumbers can make a great living without crushing student debt. Most 20somethings want to bang keys on a keyboard. Their teachers told them this was the future and nobody had to take away the trash.

          • .02

            I have seen it first hand s-. head in the oil patch. Long hard grueling hours in the elements, but you can make 100 grand a year but the kids wash out so fast it is pathetic.

            • hammerhead

              02 , They wash out fast in construction too.
              What is gonna happen in a survival environment?
              It scares me , they will crumble like a cookie.

              • .02

                The generation that has always had lights on a switch and hot water on demand is going to be shocked. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

              • Faith of the fallen

                I build trains for a living. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. You have to be physically fit to handle the steel and swing a 10 lb hammer. I weld and fabricate. We can’t keep high school type kids because they’re scared of cranes, machines, and dirty environments even tho the pay is awesome. Most people that walk in the door at my job complain about working hard and getting dirty even when they can’t come close to making that kind of money any where else.

                • BJ

                  I know what you mean. I worked on the furnace and then the pouring floor in Keokuk Steel Castings, pouring 3200 degree molten metal out of a 800lb shank. And most, like 8 out of 10 didn’t make it through the first day. Difference being, the pay sucked.

            • Ryback

              02, The young ones usually start in construction clean up. They don’t like the grunt work, they want to swing hammers. Can’t understand they have to start somewhere and move up. They want everything right here right now. Its how some parents raise them, or they get it from the schools.

            • shi thead

              My brother did fire sprinklers for years and often had helpers go to lunch and not return.

          • 1happycountrymom

            I’ve got 2 boys, mid-twenties, relaxed homeschooled in Texas.
            One is a welder, the other is a plumber. Funny how that works!!

            Ya’ll keep preppin’

            (We finally got 1/2″ snow!!)

            • .02

              My 34 yo son is a carpenter with 2 daughters and my 28 yo son is still “finding himself”.

              • PO'd Patriot

                Tell your 28 year old son to grab his ass with both hands “and there he is”!

          • Smokey

            The garbagemen up here are pulling down $100,000 a year.

            Union job, no layoffs, most lifting is machine-assisted.

            Were I 18 years old, I’d take a serious look at it for a career.

            • ruth

              most schoolteachers think garbage men should not make so much money. after all, they’re nor ‘professionals’ like teachers.

              • 1braveheart

                These so-called educators are dickheads. That’s the only thing I see them being “professional” at.

        • 1braveheart

          Caliber, I take my hat off to you. If you’re already prepping, then you’re ahead of 99% of the people in your age group. You sound like someone who lives in the real world and knows what’s coming. You know how to think for yourself and that is essential for survival in any adverse situation. You’ll make it just fine in any SHTF scenario. You especially did right to avoid college and student loan debt. with the exception of medicine there’s not a degree out there that really means anything anymore. Best wishes.

          • Caliber

            I appreciate that braveheart.

          • Paranoid

            Except for your last stupid statement I am amazed I agree with you. As far as the last neither one is an idiot, In addition; Education does not keep people from being stupid, it just gives them more data to be wrong about. If you take the right courses; it can teach you to be a well mannered ass, you should consider them.

            • lonelonmum

              I’ve thought for a long time that parents could only distinguish between the words “education” and “indoctrination” all those not competing for a Darwin Award would haul their kids out of government run schools.

              I’m terrible at maths, so for fun I’m working through 7th and 8th grade of “Rays Arithmetic” again. (I homeschool so need to be on top of the basics to help my kid). Compared to the maths kids do today at 18 it’s embarrassing to see how low we’ve sunk.

              There are a LOT of grandparents out there old enough to have witnessed the deterioration in standards that should to work teaching the grand kids before it is too late. Retirement is a new concept for mankind and frankly those elders that think they have no purpose but to wallow in leisure while their grandchildren are dumbed down to complete imbecility are leaving no legacy worth anything at all.

              • Kim Matott

                why keep up on math what are they really gonna count?we have nothing they have it all.teach them to survive.

          • Northern Reb

            EISEN:
            That BS!!!
            You have no clue of what went on in the 70’s. and it was not the baby boomer that thought everyone had to go to college. I know I was there.
            That idea came from those bright people in Washington in the 60’s.
            Those baby boomers were still in high school or in Nam fighting a war.
            Your ignorance superedes stupidity
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S N.REB

          • 1braveheart

            Eisen, for once, you had a decent conversation going there except for your remarks about boomer assholes plus me and BI. I have to correct part of your statement. IT WAS THE SO-CALLED “EDUCATORS” IN THE U.S. DEPT. OF EDUCATION WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE AND BE ENTITLED TO A LOAN TO PAY FOR IT. WHAT THEY HAVE CALLED “EDUCATION” SINCE THE 1980S IS NOTHING BUT PROPAGANDA AND TOTAL GARBAGE. PLUS, BE INFORMED AND I BOTH ARE FAR BETTER EDUCATED THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO IS WORTHLESS AND HAS SOME REAL ISSUES, YOU F#$%IN MORON, SODOMITE, COMMUNIST ANIMAL. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO GO DIE.

            • 1braveheart

              To everyone here: Everyone here knows I don’t normally get like this, but eisen is a real piece of work for a troll. I got some bad news about something totally unrelated earlier, so I come back online and see this troll’s latest post and I just blew up. No, I don’t really want Eisen to go die, just to go away from our site and never come back. I’ll admit I crossed a line with that one item but I stand by the rest of what I said. How many people out there would agree with me? I’m just sick of this POS trying to stink up our site. Nothing useful or meaningful ever comes out of his stupid mouth.

              • The Old Coach

                Man, we all need to organize and simply red-thumb him without any reply. His posts will disappear, and he won’t get to jerk off reading our opinions of him.

              • Canadian Vet

                I wouldn’t sweat it if I were you. We’re all only human and we’re all liable to lose our shit once in a while.

                What matters is you’ve gotten a grip and you’re a big enough man to recognize what happened and own your words and actions.

              • Babycatcher55

                My mother used to tell me, Just Ignore Them. People would say cruel things to me growing up, and I had a hard time with it….that advice is one of the few pieces I took to heart. I’m sorry he keeps egging you on. I would just skip over his posts from now on….it’s not worth the aggravation and high blood pressure, and when people bring out the worst in you, you have to cut them off for your own sanity…there, I hope it helps a little. I love your posts…

          • KP89DC

            Education does not equate to common sense dip-shit. Unfortunately you continue to fail to recognize that you demonstrate having no common sense by the comments you make. Don’t bother attempting to insult me as I have much better things to accomplish than respond to your crap.

            MOLON LABE

            • KP89DC

              My comment was directed at “E”, in case that was’t clear.

              • 1braveheart

                Howdy, KP89DC. I understand you were aiming at eisen and you’re right; common sense and ‘book sense’ are 2 totally different animals. Common sense is what helps you get thru life. Book sense will get you killed early.

          • Jim in Va.

            Eisen, put your dunce hat on and go sit back in the corner. you are worthless and will never become more due to ignorance and intolerance. Yuo apparently haven’t learned how to have reasoned and quiet conversation with anybody.

          • shi thead

            In America, we somehow equate ‘educated’ with ‘smart’

          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

            Eisencrews, you just crossed the line! My Cuz may have a weak mind but he has a strong back he’ll kick your ass for calling him an Idiot. Ain’t that right Cuz!

            • 1braveheart

              NGIC, for once, I almost thanked you for something, but you killed it when you said I have a weak mind so that killed it. BTW, you can still go f#$% yourself!

          • JRS

            Sheesh…

          • Gregory8

            Eisenkraphead: You have to be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever heard from. The depth of your ignorance is only surpassed by its breadth. You must wake up every morning and have yourself a really big bowl of “Dumbass” for breakfast. The idea for ‘college for the masses’ was the G.I. Bill, maybe you’ve heard of it; it was given to those who served during WWII and then to all G.I.s ever since. But since you’re notion of military service is plopping your fat little ass in your mom’s basement playing “Call To Duty” and other such games, you don’t qualify. Only real men and women get the G.I. Bill, not flabby mall ninjas/wannabes like you. And part of the G.I. Bill was for new homes for these returning veterans, they began making lots of babies to put in these new home, hence the “Baby Boomers” were born. So for you to blame the “Boomers” shows your ignorance of history. But being the ‘world-class’ moron you are, I’m sure that won’t stop you from making still more uninformed pronouncements. You’re like a turd that just won’t flush Eisenpoopy.

            • Mama Bear

              Still laughing over the “really big bowl of dumbass for breakfast” part.

          • shi thead

            You’ve been brainwashed your whole life that more education is the answer to everything. Sometimes you have to put on your boots and start shoveling.

          • John W.

            Most boomers were eighteen years old in 1970. Don’t think they decided much of anything, and a hell of a lot of the somewhat older ones were Viet vets who would have kicked you balls into your mouith. Are you really so stupid as to post the garbage you do?

          • CrabbeNebulae

            E… Sorry buddy, but the boomers did not push everyone to get a degree and take out a loan to do it. The jewish banksters pushed it down everyone’s throat because they knew that was the perfect way to enslave future generations. Boomers, by and large are a can-do generation albeit somewhat naive, like everyone else with regard to the evil being forced upon them. Subsequent generations, including yours, are the sheeple that feed the matrix. Boomers will be the one’s that ultimately lead the fight against the matrix.

        • Miss DeeDee

          Caliper,
          I’m proud of you and your life path.
          — Miss Dee Dee

        • Northern Reb

          CALIBER:
          YOUR POST MAKES ME PROUD TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE 2O YEAR OLDS OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE WHEN WE NEED THEM. US OLD FARTS WILL HAVE TO HAND OVER THE RIENS TO YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
          You are wiser than most people twice your age!;-)
          Keep prepping and don’t let anyone that will not be an asset to you when the SHTF know what you are doing as far as prepping goes.
          Just because someone is called a teacher does not mean they are smart.
          Keep up the good work and you will find like minded people, that will be able to help you through what ever comes your way.
          Remember this:
          TRUST IN YOUR GOD
          TRUST IN YOURSELF
          TRUST IN YOUR CLOSET FRIENDS
          SECURITY THROUGH SUPERIOR FIRE POWER
          NO RETREAT
          NO SURRENDER
          N.REB

        • Ryback

          @ Caliber, When something does happen your laughing buddies will be the first ones to visit you. “Chance Favors the Prepared Mind”

          • tzulu

            or preppered mind?

        • Sgt. Dale

          Caliber:
          I’m happy you are here with us Old Farts.
          We need young blood to give the Republic to when we are done.
          I believe you would be a leader on that great day.
          It is honor to correspond with you.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

          • Caliber

            lol nothing wrong with “old farts.”… with the line of work im in, im with 5-6 Vietnam vets everyday. They have taught me a lot.

            • shi thead

              I get a kick out of the younguns braying about how much more they know about the internet, etc than us old farts. Us old farts invented the thing.

      • laura m.

        02: Agree! My husband retired from htg, A/C repair and installed residential and comm., commercial refrigerators, freezers. Father in law(dec) was electrician, bro (dec) a plumber. Many are older in the trades. Agree w/you the slacker loser younger folks are lazy, stupid for the most part and want someone to wipe their runny noses and spoon feed ’em. Auto mech, aircraft mech in my area are mostly older, a few younger ones. Lawn care svc I see older ones mostly. Many younger people can’t even cg. the flush valves in the toilet tank or even flush the water htr once a yr.

        • shi thead

          I thought it was the toilet you were supposed to flush once a year! So that’s why I never have visitors stay long!

      • 1braveheart

        .02, when we ‘old farts’ are finally gone, these young dickheads will be totally lost.

        • Northern Reb

          BRAVEHEART :
          We will have people like Caliper and my two sons and there are many more out there that will run the show. Don’t give up hope. There are some good one still out there.
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • Caliber

            I promise you will have us. although 80% of my friends are “college knowledge” idiots, there are a handful of us that are ready. and many more in each city. the young are waking up.
            the constitution is important to us. and we are armed and fit. ready to uphold it.

          • Babycatcher55

            And my two daughters and son. Girls are 36and 33, and both do home improvement (carpentry, painting, landscaping) and son is 24, 6 yr Navy veteran, and does outdoor hardscaping, and all manner of home renovations. Went on 13 mission trips to Mississippi and other places after Katrina to rebuild houses while he was in high school. He’ll never be out of a job…

        • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

          Cuz it’s alright to clump all them blacks and them muslims together, but you should’nt try and cause age discrimination. You know us dickheads, like me and Eisencrews taught a lot of you old farts about surviving and prepping. Now you have crossed the line Cuz.

          • 1braveheart

            NGIC, neither you nor eisenturd could ever teach me shit from shinola about anything, so f#$% you!

            • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

              Cuz I know me and Crews had a hard time teaching you anything cause you are pretty hard headed, I think you got that off of uncle NuGene’s side of the family, hope you did finally learn the difference between shit and shinola, but I still love you man, and I think Eisencrews loves you to, even though you do call him lots of bad words. Maybe not out loud, but we know what all them funny symbols you use mean. Hope to see you at the next family reunion in North Georgia, our other Cuz Peterson said he might be there.

        • shi thead

          My dad used to say that about grandparents raising grandkids. What happens when the grandparents die? These slackers wouldn’t even raise their own kids, let alone grandkids.

      • Hunter

        .02-

        Yes indeed, pal!

        For 2 years now, I’ve tried to hire/train gen-X aged guys to do what I do…minimum requirement = 1 year trade-school, per basic understanding of AC/DC electricity/fundamentals & ability to read a ladder diagram schematic & be able to grasp..relay logic.

        Starting pay = $12/hr…they work w/ me for 8 months straight(every day)…I cover all hotel/meals $$$..etc, if out of town.

        ..and provide/train on specialized tooling..such as dial indicators/mics/calipers/Proto mfg torque-multiplier heads/DVMs/ammeters/digital pressure gauges/o-scopes/digital RPM tachs/flow meters/solid-state tonnage calibrators/accumulator charging kits & training on manifold control (job/machine) programming etc..etc.

        ..informed all hires that..some jobs are clean(chasing electrons)..some are greasy/oily(hydraulic)..some are ‘gut busting’ dirty(mechanical)..ditto, I would teach them to weld(mig-tig-stick & even oxy-acetylene use).

        ——————————–

        Have gone thru 7 thus far..longest to stay..was 5 weeks!
        Promised them $20/hr., if they made it thru a year.

        Also would provide service-van/cell phone & company credit card for necessities(gas/maintenance/hotels/food etc) while on the road..w/ the understanding that if they needed (once on their own, on an unsupervised..non-training job) “technical help” from me, is a phone call away**…

        …& prospect of partnership in business after 5 years, per a non-compete clause & 60-40% profit split..also annual 2-week(80hrs) paid vacation time.

        ..**-(while I’m working/trouble-shooting the really tough stuff, somewhere else).

        ———————————-

        ..kids nowadays, don’t know what hard work is about..although one guy was really sharp, per the Windows XP based/touch screen controls.

        ..alas, he didn’t like getting dirty!

        ———————————–

        My son possesses the I.Q./ability..but wants to be ‘an athletic-trainer’…(WTF???).

        ..we’re a dieing breed .02!!!

        ..I just keep getting grayer & greyer………….

      • Anonymous

        No. I’m an old gray haired woman who sits on her butt most of the time, playing on the computer… meanwhile, my daughter (young and pretty) is a workaholic! You wouldn’t believe what her day is like! (Work, med-school, works out at the gym, cooks…!!). You can’t categorize people according to age, color, religion or country. People are just people!

        • Anonymous

          And my mother, who was in her 80’s, would chop wood, mow the grass, shovel snow, can food, wash clothes… man, she was a hard worker!

          And my brother sat on his butt…

          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

            Anon I know what you mean, my mom and Bravehearts mom were twins, when they turned 90 we bought them a chainsaw so they would’nt have to work so hard. That way one of them could cut for a while, while the other loaded the wagon. Ain’t that right Cuz. I think Cuz Braveheart sat on his butt. They was tough too!

    13. BJ

      very good and practical article. His version of the many tough guy survivalist who know everything and will do this and/or that remind me of many who post here……the keyboard rambos

      • .02

        Yea the “taticool” guy running around with all the gear is going to be dead meat fast. Wife has a cousin that was working for us, he was an electrician when we were building the business, and I took him out with the AKs and after shoot them I said “bob, you gota get one of these.” He said “no I dont, I have a .22 and If I want one of those Aks I shoot you in the back of the head and take one.” Ex Vietnam vet.. sold the Aks..

        • iceman

          Ah! AK-47, when you got to kill every last mother—-er in the room, accept no substitutions!

          • .02

            For room clearing I would substitute a 10 round 12 gauge.

    14. Sierra Dave

      Many in America will curl up and die instead of dealing with it.

      A fair amount of family or friends who show up on your doorstep won’t work with you in defense or starting/ramping up self sufficiency. They will insist that things will be back to normal in a few months.

      Mental attitude IS the biggest survival factor.

      What keeps me going is that after the collapse. The government stranglehold on productivity will be removed.

      The New America with modern techniques and technology will be a good place to grow and thrive.

      • BJinMaine

        “Mental attitude IS the biggest survival factor.”
        I completely agree with you.

      • .02

        Speaking of which, my son has a friend he went to school with that joined the military and is quite high up after many years in service and I was talking to him @ sons wedding and he did a stint as a drill instructor. He told me that when the new recruits show up for boot camp that they tell them to call their parents, get their address and then they grab all the phones. He says most of them go into shock and some have been so bad they had to be medically discharged. Over a PHONE! Watch people, go to the mall and watch how many are attached to their phone like it is a life line. If/when the phones go down along with no medication (SSRIs and OxyContin) there really will be a zombie apocalypse.

        • JayJay

          Go to a restaurant and count those talking WITH others at their table…how rude!!

          • .02

            Saw a family of four all talking to someone else in a restaurant. Could not believe it.. Out of courtesy I turn mine off.

      • JayJay

        **
        Many in America will curl up and die instead of dealing with it.**

        And then we get their blings??? 🙂

        • .02

          Go to the hood with a hammer and collect gold teeth.

          • Slick One

            Needle nosed pliars also work well for gold toof extractions!:)

            • .02

              lol toof

          • wrong

            🙂

          • laeagle

            .02, Are you showing your character, or are you trying to be funny, or are you giving advice? A flat screen TV would be less disgusting! I definitely would not advise anyone to go prospecting in the ‘hood’, especially if you value your life.

        • Sierra Dave

          I think in an EMP or economic collapse. At least half the population will die. That means plenty of resources to scavenge.

          Banks, as legal entities will no longer exist. So time to move into a better place. No one will be able to prove ownership.

          • .02

            A good trick is to pitch a small tent inside an abandoned building to stay warm. A lit candle in a good tent will keep you from freezing.

            • JayJay

              Or burn alcohol soaked cotton balls–10 will burn for 15 minutes.
              Great heat. Save those #10 cans like metal coffee cans.

            • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

              .02 I tried that just for practice, but boy did it ever piss my wife off when I drove those stakes into the hardwood floor in our living room. Guess I did’nt really need stakes since there was no wind in the livingroom, but thats the way Cuz taught me.

              • .02

                What? ya did dat all wong cuz, ya gotsta take a chainsaw and cut out da floo and tie da tend dow to da pubmbling..

                • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

                  .02 I shoulda went to SHTFplan and found this out sooner, Cuz never told me about no plummin, we’er still usin the little house out back. But thanks for the info .02

            • laeagle

              .02, A good way to get trapped and killed!

        • Northern Reb

          JJ:
          It is sad but you are right. there will be a few outside of the prepper that will stand there ground but very few.
          That will be ashame we will lose some brilliant minds that thought nothing would happen.
          It not just a man made disaster it could come from mother nature that makes the SHTF. and they refuse to take even the simplest steps to survive.
          J.J. you can have their bling I’ll share their food water, firearms, ammo a nd meds.!;-)
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • JayJay

            Oh, I have all the food, water, and ammo I can use–I want those rings and watches. 🙂
            You do know I’m kidding.

    15. Sgt. Dale

      Common sense!
      Very little of that around any more. You can tell that 99% of the folks here have it, but the Leaches and Zombies in the country don’t. When TSHTF they will be the first to parish from the earth. (maybe the lucky ones) But they will suffer the most.

      Keeping an open mind in times of stress is very hard, If you can’t do it don’t be ashamed, because over 75% of us might not be able to keep an open mind.

      I pray to God that he gives me Wisdom, common sense, and straight in the dark times to come.

      Common sense, and open mind, God given wisdom, and the ability to act when no one else is, just might be the key to survival!
      A.S.M.S.
      Sgt.

      • Kulafarmer

        So might the instinct to run like hell and dont look back! Lot of good all the preps will do when you have 2 minutes to bail!
        Thats what has been on my mind lately, cause shit happens!

        • Sgt. Dale

          Kula:
          That is normal Fight or flight. You will do one or the other.
          Thanks to all my training I don’t have the flight in me any more. I won’t stand up against a Tank with an AR15, I will run to fight another day. As Clint Eastwood said in one of his Dirty Harry movies. “A man has to know his limitations”.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

          • laeagle

            KF, SD, Good points. It comes down to training and discipline, to know when to ‘hold it’ and to know when to ‘fold it’.

            • hammerhead

              Ill “fold” it fast if it comes to my kids or preps.
              I can find new preps but……..
              People come to take whats mine with force , we leave
              real simple. gunplay and kids dont mix.
              points to ponder.

          • shi thead

            Good thing you’re tough, Sgt.Dale

            • Sgt. Dale

              SHI
              I don’t considder myself to be tuff. Just well trained. You learn how to stand you ground. Most people won’t go up against a guy that is 6 Ft. tall, 225 lbs, with a fully loaded 45 on his hip, a can of Pepper spray and an expandable Pr24.. Like I tell evryone that starts to get froggy. I’m like Batman I have all these toys on my belt, and I will use them. But I don’t want to. So please don’t make me. But if you feel froggy go ahead and jump. I just hope your medical insurance is paid up. Most of the time they back down.
              God I hate fighting with people. Good Lord I don’t like hurting people becasue they are being stupid!
              A.S.M.S
              Sgt.

          • lonelonmum

            It’s fight, flight or freeze. Freezing up is what gets people killed.

            If you are wondering what “freeze” looks like just think of a rabbit or deer caught in your headlights.

        • Canadian Vet

          What I’m getting out of this article is three major points.

          1) Don’t fall in love with your established plans. You might have planned several contingencies for everything under the sun, but as the saying goes even the best laid plan never survives the start line. So you have to be able to go off-script and be ready to improvise.

          2) learn to think outside the box. If you can’t think around corners and/or find ways to fit square pegs in round holes, you are at a serious handicap. The world has a tendency to throw curve balls and there’s no way to see them all coming, and a lot of them will fall in these spaces between the lines of conventional thinking.

          3) no matter how good you think you are, there are times when you will lose your shit, even under fairly benign conditions. Learn to recognize the signs leading up to it and develop quick and effective techniques to ground yourself so you can get your head back in the game before you completely freak out and/or make the kind of mistake that gets people, including yourself, hurt or killed.

          • The Old Coach

            Von Clauswitz, I think: “No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy”.

            Unknown: “Amateurs think strategy and tactics. Professionals think logistics”

            • Canadian Vet

              That second one is from Napoleon Bonaparte.

            • Paranoid

              Smart people get out of town and think of girls. Paranoid.

      • 1braveheart

        Howdy, Sgt. Dale, and AMEN to your comments, especially your very last sentence which WILL be the key to survival. The people who have refused to wake up and get a clue will be the ones who will perish. People like you, I, and everyone else here will make it.

      • montana5000ft

        The fact you ask GOD for that puts you way ahead to start.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Mont.
          God always comes first. And I give God all the praise, for everything I accomplish!
          Sgt.

      • Hunter

        Sarge-

        Heads up, bro!

        ..got into a discussion w/ some guys-workers (huge corp/but good paying customer) today..at break time.

        ..I knew most of them pretty well(+10 years acquainted)..save for a newcomer.

        ..anyway there were 5 of us, discussing politics/economy/Obama, when “M” announced he just purchased a ‘slicked-up’ DPMS AR-15 w/ a 1k case of PMC ammo & 10 30rd mags..everyone agreed, that was a good idea & cost was reasonable…(no OPSEC in the crowd)….I just listened/nodded.

        ..the guy I didn’t know, kinda snorted disgust/sarcasm in an off-hand way & announced:

        ..all I have is a Ruger .45ACP & I ain’t dropping $1100-1200 for an AR!

        ..all I need to do is walk up & shoot some deputy/county-mounty/city cop, doing his paper work in his squad car..snatch his keys & open his trunk!!!

        …& I’ll have a full-auto M-16!

        ———————————-

        Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!

        • The Old Coach

          Not to put too fine a point on it, but that’s exactly how the French Maquisards got most of their arms in WW2.

          • Odd Questioner

            This is true, but remember – their targets were part of a severely over-stretched army who was fully convinced that they were the master race, and that their conquered peoples were all slow and stupid.

        • hammerhead

          HUNTER – the guys that talk that kind of shit are scared little pussys .they make me sick , they will be the first to meet a quick end .
          I worry more about the guy that stays off on his own with nothin to say and no opinion .
          HE has a plan !

        • Sgt. Dale

          Hunter:
          Thanks for the heads up.
          This is my worry about the computers in the squad cars. I have always said it makes us a target. These damn things makes you look at them insted of whatching your sourdings.
          On top of everything else you have to use them when you are on the go. This is worst as texting and driving.
          Again thanks for the heads up. I’m going to make a copy of this and give it to all the guys. If that is OK with you.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

        • .02

          sounds like my wife’s cousin bob.

        • Odd Questioner

          “Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!”

          Indeed – and such people will end up dead in about a week, maybe two.

          He might get lucky, but I’m willing to wager at least half my preps that in a true SHTF situation, you won’t find some lone deputy sitting there in the open, next to an unlocked patrol car, just doing paperwork. Ain’t gonna happen. That kid will starve before he stumbles across such a dubious opportunity.

          Odds are perfect that LEOs will have themselves locked-down tight once things get SHTF-ugly, and will either be defending their families, or at least in small squads, with weapons out and looking for an overly-confident jackass like that to do something stupid.

          • Sgt. Dale

            O Q
            You are right with your last paragraph.
            When TSHTF. There won’t be any LEO”S there will only be LEO”S protecting their families. Yes there will be groups of LEO’S in bands working together for the common good of their group.
            In our group there are 7 LEO’S or retired LEO’s in it. They also have other skills need for the group.
            Some times I think people have the idea that WTSHTF that the LEO’S are still going to work while the rest of the world is in chaos. NOT I’m going to be at home with the group protecting it, and doing other work that needs to be done.
            Thanks again for the concern!
            A.SM.S.
            Sgt.

    16. Maudy Frickett

      You gotta have your mind right, trainee. Adapt or die. I’ve lived in Africa during a war, I grew up in the inner city of Chicago. I knew people who lived thru Beirut. I sometimes envy people who lived in small town USA among a homogenous demographic. And at other times, I wouldn’t trade my life experiences for anything.

      • laeagle

        MF, I hear you!

    17. Walt Kowalski

      While it is certainly true that the ill-prepared and stupid will definitely have a quick demise, it should be understood that a lot also depends on just the luck of the draw.

      There will be many folks who have done all they could to prepare…they’re intelligent…and make all the right decisions….but if a bullet has your name on it..or they are in the wrong place at the wrong time…it’s over.

      This is not to discount preparation and doing all you can, because luck does indeed favor the prepared mind.

      What a stable, civilized society does is allow the stupid and ill prepared to continue to live in relative ease, security and comfort. Those are the things that get stripped away in a SHTF situation. So in most cases…the ill-prepared and stupid will go quickly. But even for those who are the best prepared…in every way…their odds of surviving another day are greatly diminished.

      That’s just the way I see it.

      • .02

        Way more people will die of disease than bullets. Probably 10 to 1 is my guess if there is a power failure. Straight up war, different numbers.

        • Survivor in waiting

          Dont forget that starvation thingy. That’ll kill quite a few also, all be it in a week or two.

          • Merree

            Most people won’t die of starvation in a week or two. For example 100 pounds of fat at 3500 calories per pound equals 350,000 calories. Minimal daily calories for survival (just an estimate since this varies with gender and activity level) approximately 1500 calories. 350,000 divided by 1500 equals estimated 233 day survival. This is a seven to eight month survival assuming no food intake at all. Lots of time for them to get angry and take it out on others. Of course, if they can’t get water, the time frame would be drastically shortened.

            • Paranoid

              Correct, I went 14 days without food once, no big deal. But people that have no preps have no water either. The first time they drink out of a roadside ditch they will have dysentery and that’s that.

              • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

                Para bet you did’nt need much TP. I think my Cuz used pine cones.

            • Odd Questioner

              You’re right and wrong at the same time 🙂

              I’ll explain:

              The longest anyone could reasonably hope to last before dying of starvation (with zero calorie intake) is around 45-50 days, no matter how big you are. If you’re 100 lbs overweight, that would put you at least around 250 lbs or so for a guy, and around 225 for a woman (assuming average heights). Anything beyond that is flat-out obesity, which means limited mobility, limited stamina, and an exponentially higher risk of cardiac arrest or stroke from stress and over-exertion.

              As an educated WAG (Wild-Assed Guess), a typical SHTF situation will have most folks dying of starvation within about 6 months – if disease, violence, exposure, or dehydration don’t wipe them out first.

          • Ryback

            #1 prep top of the line water filter, an absolute must have. Katadyn pocket filter

            • 1braveheart

              Ryback, spot on about the katadyn. I have one and I love it.

        • laeagle

          .02. Agreed.

        • laeagle

          .02, Well said. I am not sure about the 10 to 1 but disease is something to be very concerned about. Cleanliness and basic hygiene will go a long ways in SFTF situations.

    18. NinaO's Mom

      * something most of you wont be prepared for is the smell of death and the swollen blackened bodies littering the streets .

      some of you will have to kill another human being to survive , maybe even a cop or soldier .

      are you mentally prepared to be exposed to / do such things to survive ???

      if not you might want to read up on the morality of war and psychological impact of killing .

      so your mentally prepared …

      ;0p

      • Canadian Vet

        You can’t really prepare for the realities of violence. I’ve read Col. Grossman’s books cover to cover repeatedly, did some stress inoculation, been on all sorts of exercises and I still initially lost my shit first time I came under indirect fire in KAF. Took me a few moments to remember what I was supposed to do and and get my ass in gear.

        Oh, and I’ve never fired a shot in anger, although I’ve gotten close a few times. And every time, I was praying to every deity out there not to have to pull that trigger.

        Basically what I’m saying is that even those who’ve been there done that could have an issue with combat and killing bit have a leg up on those who haven’t been. Granted, there will always be those who can naturally deal with it in healthy ways and the psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, but as a rule of thumb, there are no real ways to be ready for that shit.

      • Canadian Vet

        To add to my last, one should prepare themselves for post-traumatic stress. Again, I don’t care how tough you think you are but only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.

        I know mental health isn’t a popular topic but be aware, you will have nightmares, flashbacks, cold sweats, become ineffective, curl up into a ball crying for your mother. You and yours MUST be able to tell something is wrong with you and be there to help as much as they can. Otherwise, your survival will become severely compromised.

        • durango kidd

          Prayer, meditation, a healthy diet, sunshine, exercise, and a close personal relationship with your Creator will keep the demons away.

          Go within. For you evolutionists and atheists, find the amoeba within. 🙂

          • Canadian Vet

            There are absolutely no guarantees when it comes to preventing that crap. However, faith has been known to help with dealing with the aftermath.

            And from personal experience, there is no such thing as an atheist in a war zone.

            However, one should assume they will lose their shit and feel the full brunt of post-traumatic stress. If they don’t, bonus. But if you are prepared for it you will deal with it better than if you play the macho card and think it only affects sissies and you are too awesome to be affected by these horrors.

            • durango kidd

              Been there. Didn’t do that. You need a mind set that can release past events rather than dwelling upon them. In my case, a young lifetime of sports playing ball every day, picking up teams, winning or losing, starting over, picking new teams, winning or losing, etc, etc, etc.

              This is the mindset of athletes who move from play to play and do not dwell on the fumble, the bad throw, the dropped ball, or the strike out. They just focus on the task ahead and shake it off, intent upon winning the game.

              That mindset can be applied to events and experiences in war. Like anything in life, you can be a victim or you can move from victory to victory to victory ….. however long it takes. Determination, resolve, and application always win and strengthens the spirit in the process.

              Life yields to those who will not quit. Engage. 🙂

              • Canadian Vet

                There is a world of difference between sports and combat. For one, in sports the other guy isn’t actively trying to kill you, regardless how fierce the rivalry between the teams.

                Also, you might see your buddy carted off the field/ice/diamond on a stretcher and he might be bleeding and unconscious. But he isn’t going to have extra holes in him from bullets and shrapnels, he isn’t going to be burnt to a crisp, he isn’t going be missing limbs, you won’t be standing in the Tarmac watching a stainless steel box carrying what’s left of him in the back of a a Herc so he can have a closed-casket funeral back home.

                I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but likening the stresses of athletes to those of combat just doesn’t work. You screw up playing football, your team doesn’t make the championship. You screw up in a war zone, people die.

                • durango kidd

                  I am an Ex Marine and Vietnam Vet. I know the horrors of war first hand, having seen it all and body bags stacked 3 feet tall.

                  I know whereof I speak and I stand by my statement. Time heals all wounds if WE do not dwell upon the negative. Get your mind right and get your life back.

                  You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. 🙂

                • durango kidd

                  21 Canadian dead in 7 months of combat? I have seen that many Marines dead in a week. We lost 50,000 Americans in that war.

                  Imagine a 13 month tour. The dead have my sympathies. You do not. Don’t be a pisser, moaner, whiner or crier. Suck it up and quit feeling sorry for yourself. Let the dead bury the dead.

                  You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid. 🙂

                • Canadian Vet

                  DK, my apologies, I had no idea you were a vet yourself.

                  And while the number of dead my tour suffered seems barely significant to you, it is extremely high to me. Hell, it was high in our global mindset, seeing how a lot of Canadians, me included were still in the “Bosnia” mind frame in term of deployed operations, where deaths in theatre weren’t from combat action but from accidents.

                  Also, I wasn’t even born when you were in Vietnam. In fact, I wasn’t even a twinkle in my father’s eye yet.

                  And while I’d love to go into more detail here, last thing I want is saying something I shouldn’t over these means. But given half a chance, I would buy you a beer.

                • Average Guy

                  Good God, durango kidd, you come across as a Complete psychopath here. You too, Canadian Vet, for wanting heap praises upon him. What’s wrong with you two?

                  Your nonchalance is deafening.

                  Your respect for empire is despicable.

                  Are you sure you wouldn’t be more happy on The Other side with TPTB?

                  It sure seems like it. …Or, are you already,.. and forevermore?

                • Average Guy

                  Compare and contrast:

                  One guy says: “The psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, […] only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.”

                  Another guys says: “You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. […] Let the dead bury the dead. You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid.”

                  There’s a lot of sick S.O.B.’s in this world…, and a lot of them love empire. Watch out for them, they’ll stab you in the back quicker than shit, and they won’t think twice about it.

                • Average Guy

                  I guess I learned more form the medic who sang with an opera voice to comfort those who suffered while they died at a young age in their foxholes during the war against the people in Vietnam than I do from some arrogant obeyer who seems to revel at the fact they counted body bag stacks while praising the benefits of being in the service to empire.

                  YMMV.

                  May God have mercy on your soul.

                • Canadian Vet

                  AG, spoken like someone who hasn’t served. Perhaps there is a 40+ year disconnect between DK and my wartime experiences but soldiers are always soldiers, even after retiring.

                  And is he tougher than me? Most likely. Afghanistan was no joke but Vietnam? My knowledge is only academic but I wouldn’t have wished it on anyone.

                • durango kidd

                  AG/Clark: Hey faggot!!! I’ve been missing you! Yeah, YOU would learn more at the opera than on the playing field, Fudgepacker! I know your type. 🙂

                  I once had lunch with a couple of pansy ass geeks like you (not sure if they believed in anarchy and read fringe element socialists like you do) but they were dissing baseball talking about how (limp wrist-ed) silly the game was.

                  I didn’t say anything. I just listened. Finally they asked me what I thought. I said, “You have never played the game have you?” They replied, “How did you know that?” I said you couldn’t talk about the game like that if you had ever played it.

                  Likewise, you do not know shit from shinola about war because you have never been to war. You have lived your life in your mother’s basement living off of your parents lamenting the cost of college and blaming everyone else for your lack of accomplishment, while pushing Free Trade as if it were a FREEDOM and sucking Lew Rockwell’s dick! 🙂

                  No, I do not support the “Empire”. But as a young man I was required to choose between America and Canada: allegiance to the Crown or to the US Constitution. I made my choice and made the best of it, exercising my responsibility as an America citizen.

                  The NWO has captured the American capital in a coup and a conspiracy. This is the “Empire” that you rail against; it is not the American ideal embodied in the Constitution. But you would rather disparage everything American because you are a fucking communist and anarchist!

                  Come on over, I’m running out of paper targets Faggot!!!

                • Average Guy

                  Ah yeah, Canadian Vet. You’re correct, I have never served the empire and killed for its gain. Thank goodness! I don’t have to jump off a cliff to know it’s a bad idea. And, I can learn from those who realized what a mistake it was to do so and wrote about it or told others.

                  Your comments, and those like you who showcase their whoreship for the empire, especially idolizing serving the empire, is quite the learning experience.

                  Everyone should be leery of those who whorship the empire, often those types are psychotic and will flip out on even those who cherish freedom and liberty. I imagine that’s what happened in Selco’s situation as well.

                  I’m mean, look how Krugman Kidd indirectly attacks his fellow Marine medic who sang opera songs to comfort those who were dying, it’s as if he were swatting at a fly. That’s probably the same approach people had in Selco’s situation when they shot at each other?

                  I imagine the people in conflict in Selco’s situation labeled everyone they met, correctly or not, so as to de-humanize them and turn them into mere objects.

                  Krugman Kidd feels better about attacking me by incorrectly labeling me as gay or communist, that way he can feel good about doing such people harm and forget about having done it. That’s the way of the psychopath. Know the signs and watch out. Lest you too follow down the hole that is the dark side.

                  I can only hope that you, Canadian Vet, will look up the articles written by Laurence M. Vance and learn from your fellow soldiers.

                • Average Guy

                  I thought of you two guys while reading this one, especially this last line:

                  Walking in the Shoes of a Soldier
                  By Laurence M. Vance
                  February 11, 2014

                  …”Although only 1 percent of Americans have served in the military, veterans account for 20 percent of all suicides.

                  Just ten steps in the shoes of a soldier is enough to see that no thinking person who treasures liberty, peace, morality, decency, his family, and peace of mind would join the military no matter how patriotic he was.”

                  Amen.

              • laeagle

                DK, CV, your comments are appreciated. Combat is very different than sports, especially the consequences and end results, but the two have much in common, i.e., physical training, mental training, tactics, strategy, etc. Perhaps DK’s observations could be helpful in developing a resilient mindset!?

                • lonelonmum

                  It may be something seemingly insignificant that finally triggers PSTD years after an event. The human mind is a mystery to science still.

                  Even the toughest vet may finally crack when it’s his wife/son/parent that’s murdered in front of him, or when his cousin dies of some previously totally treatable common illness.

                  Arrogance gets you killed too, unless you are a clinically defined pyschopath.

                • durango kidd

                  Worked for me. Am I special? It will work for anyone, athletes more than most. They are typically disciplined and mentally tough to begin with.

                  Every one cries in war. Everyone grieves. Everyone suffers. Divorce can be just as devastating. If WE didn’t grieve there would be something wrong with US as human beings. There is a time for it, when there is time for it, then that time is over.

                  Life is a cornucopia of opportunity. Engage. 🙂

        • shi thead

          Waiting for the first drone pilot to claim PTSD. Seems everybody has it these days.How did mankind survive that first 100K years without SSRI drugs?

          • Canadian Vet

            It’s not because they do their killing by remote control these guys aren’t human. Especially those who act in good faith but on bad intelligence and drop their ordnance on innocent civilians.

      • Night Breaker

        Nina o’s
        Sounds like you have walked the walk it’s a smell you never forget , the smell of sewage mixed with spent power and the taste of bile rising in the back of your throat.
        I remember during golf war 1 everyone was at the point of exhaustion (72 hours non stop ) and just dropping and falling asleep in the field I saw one guy in the dark curled up face down in the sand so I affixed a chem light to his load bearing gear so he would not get run over . Pulled out my poncho rolled up in the poncho liner and passed out. Slept through the night only hearing the sentrys walking about . At first light I reached over shook the guy next to me he did not respond. So I grabbed his harness rolling him over the sight is one I will never forget his face was swollen and black , I back peddled and stud up I had slept next to a dead guy the whole night.

        We had lagered in a field with strewn dead Iraqi soldiers not far from kuwait city that had been bombed to clear the Iraqi minefields.

        This was one of the few experiences that will never leave me from that time , the siege at Khafji and the death highway outside of Kuwait city.

        Yeh I guess mental preparation is something acquired.

        An old Sargent one told me “when the ground heaves and the calcaphany of noise is unimaginable the veterans will be the ones that will know what needs to be done”

        PREPARE FOR YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE

        RESIST

        III%

        Semper Fi 8541

        • Night Breaker

          I hate auto spell

          Semper Fi 8541

        • Canadian Vet

          I know I had a tough to with Afganistan, but you Sir had a much rougher time than I did. I had to stand at ramp ceremonies for 14 of the 21 Canadians killed during my 7 months on the ground, and I was lucky to only know 1 of them.

          He was just some random I sat with in the mess tent in Ma’Sum Ghar and chatted with about the 2008 Olympics over breakfast. But it was enough of a connection to feel it when I heard he burnt alive in an IED strike.

          And my closest personal brush with death was when I told my detachment commander I didn’t quite feel like climbing up on our vehicle twice for the same thing and stayed in my camp chair instead of don’t what I was told. I’ve always prided myself on being a consummate professional but that day, if hadn’t decided to slack off in the shade instead of following orders and gotten on top of that vehicle, I would have had my guts ripped up by a piece of shrapnel from a Katyusha rocket that impacted not 100 meters away about 30 seconds after I received my instructions.

          • Anonymous

            Basically, you better listen to your instincts, gut feelings, intuition. A good book to read on this subject is “the Gift of Fear”. Great book!

            • Canadian Vet

              Not even that. Tour was almost done, my GAF factor was in the drain, I was comfortable in the shade of that sea can in my folding chair and just didn’t feel like checking the cargo straps at that time and later when our convoy would show up. I was lazy and a little bit insubordinate at that point.

              I’m not proud of it but I’m sure glad I picked that time to slack off.

          • Canada Canuk

            @Canadian Vet…Thank you for your service to our Country. As you know we have a section of highway in Ontario called ‘The Highway of Heros’…When our boys come home on their ‘final journey’ that section of the highway (from Trenton Air Base to Toronto)is closed so that their ‘vechicles can pass by.

            People flock to the overpasses in large numbers, dressed in a lot of red clothing and carrying our Beautiful Flag….to say their final fairwells to them (and their families) who follow behind in other vechicles…..

            I have been fortunate enough to be there when 2 of our boys came home….it was quite a site to see…and such a privelige to be among those giving thanks to our boys for giving the ‘Ultimate’ sacrifice for our freedom.

            We can NEVER thank you enough, take care, CC.

            • Canadian Vet

              I know that stretch of the 401, from Exit 525/526 to the 404/DVP. I’ve only seen two of those convoys with my own two eyes.

              One, I was on my own time and I pulled over to pay my respects; on that one, another driver thought I had no business to slow down and wanted to tune me in. Funny how quickly he drove off when I told him it was for a FELLOW soldier coming home in a box and if he didn’t back down his day was going to get unpleasant.

              The second time, we were heading back to Kingston from exercise in Meaford. My packet received orders to pull over and we were all lined up, some on the shoulder, some on our vehicles’ running boards. I’ll never forget how one of the family members was waving at us through the car window. It was also kinda funny seeing ourselves in the blurbs they put in the news and the paper.

      • NinaO's Mom

        @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker … Respect .

        * only those who have really been there can understand … WHY IT’S IMPORTANT TO MENTALLY CONDITION YOUR MIND AND CONSCIENCE FOR THE ‘PERSONAL PSYCHOSIS’ SELF DESTRUCTIVE dark PSYCHOLOGICAL FORCES post action after effects OF REAL WORLD ON THE GROUND RAW WAR EXPERIENCES .

        THANK YOU BOTH @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker FOR YOUR COMMENTS … you are not alone Gentlemen … Respect !

        n.o. ;0p

        • Canadian Vet

          I have no illusions. Comes SHTF, I will most likely have to make some hard choices and do things I’m not going to like or be proud of. I know I will likely have to use force and I will do it as ruthlessly and as efficiently as I know how. My family deserves I go to these extremes for their wellbeing.

          And I know I will lose sleep over this, and I will have nightmares and it will be adding on to the damage I’ve already suffered. And from my own experience, might be able to rationalize some of it but I am well aware of the toll it’ll take on me.

        • Sgt. Dale

          NINA O
          Thanks for your response to C.V. and N.B.
          you said it better than I could have.
          I respect both of these guys.
          Sgt.

          • NinaO's Mom

            @Sgt. Dale … Respect .

            yur’ welcome ;0)

            * i was once a Dirt-Eater Sgt. as well …

            n.o. ;0p

      • Anonymous

        Gosh, I just saw a guy the other day, being carried out on a stretcher… I wasn’t sure if he was alive or dead! He looked awful! Other people said the exact same thing! He was hooked up to machines and his head wasn’t covered up, so I assume he was alive, but just barely!

    19. Maudy Frickett

      Fear can be a good thing. It can keep you alive. Too much can kill you. Learn to control your fear. I lost my ability to be afraid when I replaced it with shear fucking hatred. Things I should be afraid of I began to hate. I feel a lot better now. Happy even. Christians might not like the idea, but someday soon they will understand.

      • .02

        Been attacked twice by moose. First time scared the shitouta me, second time I knocked the ole bitch flat with a 357 @ 5 paces. Me and moose don’t get along.

        • hammerhead

          HAHAHA , does gettin attacked by a woodchuck count?
          Thought i killed it and went to see , bad idea.
          Dont reach into a hole to pull out what you think is a dead animal . EVER !

          • .02

            Ouch- the ground rodents have big ass front teeth, they work well too.

          • 1braveheart

            One round of 00 buck from “Bertha” into that hole would take care of the problem.

          • shi thead

            Only a complete idiot would do that.

          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

            Maybe you remember one of my fellow Georgians got attacked by an attack rabbitt when he was Prez. Had to be saved by a sercret service agent.

    20. Maudy Frickett

      This is good. A few days ago, a 5 million dollar Stradivarius Violin was stolen by three people in Milwaukee. 2 men have been charged. Ultimate Knowledge Allah and Saleh Jones. Are you shittin’ me? Probably Black Muslims. A third person, a women has not been charged. I bet her name is Stradivarius Jackson, or something as much fun.

      • .02

        dats raycis

      • Be informed

        @ VRF. I saw your link to that sick satanic freak. This is beyond terrible and shows just how warped society is becoming as this is becoming excepted as an alternative to God. This devil worship goes hand in hand with orgies and disgusting preversion of the mind. As well as sick pro sodomy propaganda that throughout history has rapidly spread disease.

        Religions talk about this because it is the examples of what sodomy has proven again and againb to spread very dangerous germs. A sin is not only in the eyes of God, but in the simple science of it. It is dirty, no it is filthy. People are not suppose to roll around in crap like a dog. People that fool around with certain anatomical parts of the body ONLY reserved for waste removal are the same as those that fool around with raw sewage pipes, they are going to get sick, real sick.

        • 1braveheart

          Eisenfairy, you back off from BI, you POS sodomite freak.

          • Kulafarmer

            Id like to beat that fucker till he stops moving,,

          • dmitry

            eisen what did yah say!

        • What?

          Eisen,

          The level of intolerance in you is shocking.

          Any argument will only prove my point.

          BI having an opinion is not intolerance, whether you agree with that view or not. Wishing a person dead for a certain view is the height of intolerance. Disagreement, however, is NOT intolerance.

          Are you too stupid to get it, or not?

          • Jim in Va.

            Eisen is calling the kettle black again.

            • What?

              I only called Eisen intolerant. Geez.

          • Be informed

            LOOK AT THIS. E just came out of the closet and admitted that he is a bisexual, by saying “you can bully bisexuals and calling “us” dity disease spreaders. Okay. Someone once told me that bisexuals are far more likely to engage in bestiality than homosexuals because everything goes. Whatever.

            This is another science fact that bisexuals are the number one spreaders of AIDS to women that there is. Disease spreaders? Yes, this is a science fact. This is of course someone’s choice to engage in warped sexual practices, but doesn’t change the fact that they ARE spreading germs and death to the population that choose to be part of this. Doesn’t change the fact that they are spreading super bugs that are antibiotic resistant. Doesn’t change the fact that many people get sick because of this weird practice. This is just fact.

            Anyone pointing out science fact is automatically some LBGT basher. This is political correctness at its worse. Censor people that offend anyone with science facts. Censor people that don’t want our innocent children around this preversion. Censor parents that want to protect their children from this animalistic practice. Censor children that are desperately trying to tell their parents or authorities about pedophiles trying to rape them. This is intolerance towards the homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, and transwarped genders?

            This is the last dying throes of society when we as a people are prohibited, trashing the Constitution of America, from talking about science fact of ANY issue because it offends a certain segment of the population.

            • Be informed

              Go talk to a good psychiatrist, he or she will help you understand the pure hate you have for everyone born between 1946 and 1964. They can get the mental help needed to feel better. They can be someone’s best friend before they act on this hate and destroy a bunch of innocent people’s lives when there minds finally snap. The brain can only take so much hate before totally losing all touches with reality.

          • Country girl

            Eisen

            Your lifestyle is dangerous — sorry to tell you. There is a direct correlation to anal sex and rectal cancer in the masses. I hope you use protection .

            My own older brother is gay. I don’t hold animosity for him. I still don’t know how God looks at him spirutually.
            I think we are all God’s children, and I don’t wish ill for folks. Sometimes they make their own bad decisions.

            I see alcoholics and drug addicts that are injured daily because of bad decisions. They get their care regardless of whether they can pay or not. Sometimes they pay for their decisions with their life.

            Country girl

            • 1braveheart

              Eisen, you think you can straighten out someone, huh? Bring it on; I dare you, mofo.

        • Jim in Va.

          eisen ur a hateful bastard.

        • rednek101

          @eisen

          If i walk into a rave with all the kiddos doin’ X running around with thier little glow sticks, they would look at this old rednek and say WTF ya doin’ here dude. In my infinite wisdom it would have to agree and leave. So Mr Eisenkruz………..why do you persist in jacking with all the people in here. Unless you have an agenda. Given that most gays are still in the closet so to speak i would suspect there are way more gay chat rooms than prepper chat rooms. Why don’t you find a nice gay chat room? Instead of making a bunch of old redneck hacked off at gays via your “in your face” attacks, why don’t you go where your more comfortable?

        • shi thead

          If you believe the evolution theory, homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. They cannot reproduce.

        • The Old Coach

          Not to mention that sodomites have a much higher probability of being sociopaths and child molesters.

          • Hunter

            That’s for sure O.C.

      • Miss DeeDee

        VRF,
        I believe the first of a nationwide aerial blimp imagining system is about to be deployed over Maryland . These will be unmanned tethered . Economical and high resolution. All in the name of Homeland Security of course.
        — Miss Dee Dee

    21. 1braveheart

      If we can survive the presence of someone like Eisen at our site, we can live thru anything.

      • Jim in Va.

        I’m with you braveheart on that

      • Paranoid

        To be truthful, if E. is the same in person, I’ll only be beside him in a SHTF situation for about 5 minutes; plus what ever time it takes to split up his stuff.

        • Northern Reb

          PARANOID:
          Do really think it will take that long????
          N.REB

          • Paranoid

            Yeah. takes 2 minutes to decide if you waste a bullet or just hit him with a rock.

            • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

              Para I’m useing a hammer, might get a gold tooth while I’m at it.

        • Sierra Dave

          I don’t even read his posts anymore. By the time I see them they are hidden. I just thumbs down them anyway.

    22. 1braveheart