The Mainstream Media Warns America Will Be Facing An “Economic Hellscape” If The Government Shutdown Continues

by | Jan 11, 2019 | Headline News | 166 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    This article was originally published by Michael Snyder at The Economic Collapse

    Is the mainstream media overhyping the economic impact of the government shutdown for political purposes? Of course they are. Once upon a time the mainstream media in the United States at least attempted to maintain a facade of objectivity, but those days are long gone. In this case, they want to stir up as much public resentment against President Trump as possible in order to try to force him to end the government shutdown. And when NBC News breathlessly declared that the U.S. “would face an economic hellscape” if this shutdown stretches on for an extended period of time, their article quickly went viral all over the Internet.

    But will it really be “an economic hellscape”?

    Here are some of the things that they say we will be facing in their “doomsday scenario”

    • 38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps
    • 6 million face an uncertain timetable for collecting tax refunds
    • 2 million without rental assistance and facing possible eviction
    • 800,000 paycheck-less federal employees plunged into dire financial straits
    • Shuttered parks and museums while overstressed airports cause tourism to tank
    • Federal court system slows to a crawl
    • Disaster relief money doesn’t get to storm-ravaged areas

    Yes, things would certainly be unpleasant for a lot of people, and there would be a whole lot of anger around the country.

    But such a scenario does not qualify as “an economic hellscape”. I would encourage the folks over at NBC News to pick up a copy of The Beginning Of The End if they really want to know what the initial phases of a major economic crisis scenario could look like in this nation.

    The most alarming item on their list is the fact that 38 million Americans could soon lose access to food stamps.  According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, that will officially happen by the end of February

    By the end of February, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, run by the Department of Agriculture, would be out of funding — meaning almost 40 million low-income Americans could find themselves struggling to pay for food, said Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist for the accounting firm RSM US.

    Things would certainly be tough for a lot of low income people, and there would be a lot more traffic at shelters and food banks, but nobody would starve to death.

    The worst case scenario would be if mobs of angry people started taking to the streets and rioting in large urban areas. That is definitely a possibility, especially if this shutdown lasts for several more months.

    But for the moment, most of the focus is on the hundreds of thousands of federal workers that are not getting paychecks right now. We are being endlessly bombarded with sob stories about how much these workers are suffering after missing one paycheck.

    If people can’t handle going a couple of weeks without pay, how are they going to handle things when a real crisis erupts in this country?

    With no end to the shutdown in sight, some lower paid federal workers have decided that it is time to find a new job

    Transportation Security Agency officers forced to work without knowing when their next paycheck is coming are no longer just calling in sick. Now, 18 days into the partial government shutdown, some are resigning, according to Hydrick Thomas, who heads the TSA Council on the American Federation of Government Employees.

    “Every day I’m getting calls from my members about their extreme financial hardships and need for a paycheck. Some of them have already quit and many are considering quitting the federal workforce because of this shutdown,”  the official said in a statement posted to the union’s website on Tuesday.

    I can’t say that I blame TSA workers too much for quitting. It is an absolutely miserable job, and the starting salary for TSA security officers is somewhere “between $25,000 to $30,000 a year”.

    Of course we don’t actually need a TSA at all. Many of us would love to go back to the days before 9/11 when we could get on flights without having someone inspect our private areas.

    Another aspect of the shutdown that is horrifying NBC News is the fact that no new beers are being approved right now

    The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau is out during the shutdown. That means the federal government will not approve beer labels or process permits, which translates into no new beers.

    At this moment there are literally millions of people around the world that actually have nothing to eat and no clean water to drink, and this is what we are whining about?

    I have an idea. Why don’t we shut down the “Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau” permanently and let people make beer without having to get permission from the federal government first?

    As I have proposed, we could save enormous amounts of money by simply shutting down useless government agencies that we do not need.

    But that would make far too much common sense to work in America in 2019.  We live at a time when the American people expect the federal government to protect them from just about every potential danger that you can possibly imagine.

    Look, I don’t want to seem completely unsympathetic to the plight of all of these federal workers that are being used as pawns in this game of political brinkmanship. Because 78 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, that means that a lot of these federal workers are not going to be able to pay their bills, and that would be extremely stressful for anyone. And at this point, thousands of federal workers have already begun filing for unemployment benefits

    More than 4,700 federal employees filed for unemployment in the last week of December, compared with 929 the week prior, according to the Department of Labor. There is no federal data available yet for the first week of January. Unemployment rules vary by state; generally the government provides benefits to eligible workers who have lost a job “through no fault of their own,” for a maximum of 26 weeks.

    But the mainstream media is blowing things way out of proportion when they start using phrases such as “economic hellscape”.

    Yes, this shutdown is going to cause some significant pain for a lot of people, but it is definitely not the end of the world.


    Michael Snyder is a nationally syndicated writer, media personality and political activist. He is publisher of The Most Important News and the author of four books including The Beginning Of The End and Living A Life That Really Matters.

    GetPreparedNow-MichaelSnyderBarbaraFixMichael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream

    If you want to know what is coming and what you can do to prepare, read his latest book [amazon text=Get Prepared Now!: Why A Great Crisis Is Coming & How You Can Survive It&asin=150522599X].


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      1. Personally, I am good with everything on your list. Shut it down and NEVER bring it back up.

        • Amen. We couldnt wish for a better outcome. What we are shutting down IS the deep state, the pestulent unelected bureaucrats who are Marxist radicals and democrat embeds. I would actually trade the wall for never calling these government blodd sucking parasites back to work. Trump knows what he is doing, so far so good, a genius!

      2. Maybe we face dire consequences because the government is shut down; but today we celebrate the end of war in Syria and the return of America’s brave soldiers.


        • I wouldn’t give a fuck if every member of each of the 3 branches and all the abc agencies dropped dead simultaneously.

          • Which is extreme as their are patriots like Senator Rand Paul in the legislative branch. And that would then result in a total loss of the military command structure that is here domestically.

            Thus what you wish for…would create anarchy. Why would that be a good thing?

            • It would beat the hell out of the fucked up mess we have now, by a country mile.

            • Starting over from scratch would be a great thing. No more of this BS minority and protected classes of people getting a free ride. Work or fucking starve. Don’t like the USA, then get the fuck out would be the new motto. And we speak English!

              • Hmmm. So you think that the near total loss of the domestic military command and the commander in chief would not then cause Russia and China to not only invade but likely use EMP and then fire at will on the entire world.

                Okay then…

                • Let it burn.

                  • Menzo, AMEN to all your posts. That’s exactly what this country needs.

                • No they would not.

                  That is the Great Lie of the military, industrial, congressional establishment.

                  • No. You guys are just angry for so long that you are willing to burn it down when that accomplishes nothing. Throughout history, in the power vacuum groups like the communists then seize control.

                    See Japan 1946. We almost lost it to communist infiltration as gneiss nationalists were thrown out or jailed.

                    Look at Central America.

                    Look at practically all of Asia.

                    You want to MOABs when smart bombs are needed.

                    • The armed American patriot is the solution if a vacuum is ever hopefully created. The USA is unique in how many of us are so well armed and trained. You are damn right I’m pissed off.

                    • We ain’t Central America.

                      We, WASP’s, conquered this continent. We created this country – mostly without government intervention. We can certainly do it again. Yes I am an anarchist at heart. I don’t need governing and most of the white people I know don’t either. The lesser races simply do not matter. They never have.
                      I think it is pitiful that you wet your diaper at the thought of no government overlord… but at least you know your limitations.
                      That’s something I suppose.

                    • We “almost” lost it to communist infiltration?

                      Had a look around lately?

                      Look I can see where this is going and there’s not a lot left to take. Picture the current trajectory in 20 years…

                    • off topic
                      For you leftist pukes salivating over the idea that White people will become a minority in USA by 2050 (White people are already a minority worldwide. The explosive population growth has been in non-White countries.)
                      Not going to happen. Whites like me are not going to be content to live in a turd wurld shithole. USA will go all USSR and split.The non-White hordes will be kept in their shithole areas.
                      The third world is NOT a geographic location. Anywhere these low IQ hordes squat becomes the third world. Use all the euphisms you want, (I know it hurts to admit it) but White people have built modern civilization.

                    • I’m in agreement with Mr. Menzo, Let the mother fucker burn, clean out the insurgent trash and build it again.

                    • “ Throughout history, in the power vacuum groups like the communists then seize control.”

                      Okay, where is the power vacuum in America? Why are the communists seizing control here? We the People do not know how use our power, and I’m not talking about voting. Do any of you know what I am talking about?

              • The country is contaminated with spineless cancer of capitulation and cowardice to treason by our countrymen who neither earned their freedoms and rights and will not fight for them or sacrifice for them. They deserve to be eaten by the socialists they pander to. Let em suffer their just fate. The fact that people think that a status quo approach of hands off reflexts the insanity of their doing the same shit over and over again expecting different results. They will neither fight for or sacrifice for those rights and freedoms because they dare not jeopardize the standard of living that they currently enjoy it’s a risk nothing gained nothing situation with most of these people i agree, from the ashes the true most desrving patriots will arise.

              • Clancy wrote two books that pretty much outlines what you are talking about. “A Debt of Honor” and then “Executive Decisions”. Very interesting read. Try them when you have a chance. You won’t be able to put them down and once read, you will sit there thinking.

          • “I wouldn’t give a fuck if every member of each of the 3 branches and all the abc agencies dropped dead simultaneously.”

            Nobody else in the White, Producer class would notice either.

            You know, the men and women who settled this country. During the Westward expansion there was, for all practical purposes, very little government west of the Mississippi. Government had very little impact on people’s lives. No taxes either.
            How did that work out?

            The idea that we can’t survive without the cold, dead hand of bureaucracy is a modern lie perpetrated by the exact same media who demonstrates their economic ignorance in headlines such as this. Economic Hellscape… what morons.

            • Thumbs up, Stuart

            • Stuart, I also give you thumbs up.

            • I agree with all that you said also

            • I also agree

            • Yes, i would not care one bit.

            • Folks, Chem-trail Poisoning is definitely Government Sponsored, because right after the shut down, I rarely have seen any chem-trails in the sky at all. Like None, Day after day, the bluest skies day after day, after day. Go look, do you see any chem-trails since the Government shut down? It has been vastly shut down and minimized.

            • Half my Family (Mohawk) was here in America before whiteman, and my white man heritage (English) sailed into Boston Harbor in 1638, that was 138 long years before 1776 and we became a country. We own and built this county long ago. Damn if I will let this country be taken over on my Generational watch, by a bunch of Globalist, Commie, snowflake, liberal pedophiles.

              Its us against them.

          • Menzoberranzan,funny you mention these ass hats falling over dead. Many are right now, look at H Reid, McCain, Ginsburg and many others who are toast and others with one foot in the grave like Hillary, Bill and Brennan ! I know why they are all dying and it is a very good thing indeed !

            How interesting is it that most people cannot openly admit or say there are some very evil and horrible people on this planet that simply deserve to die in the next 60 seconds ? I find that a huge piece of information and very enlightening to say the least of the current idiocy here in USA today and much of it is caused by what we call religions and specifically supposed Christianity today ! Christianity today is nothing more than a big business and control mechanism for non thinkers and weak minded people not capable of thinking for themselves. It was perverted and polluted when Constantine came along and created the new testament and state religion of the Roman empire which is a false and incomplete work and that is completely verifiable. The Gnostics had it all quite right and still do !

            I imagine we will see many more of these control freaks start dying off from what we might call natural causes, but there are very specific reasons they are failing and dying often now. As I said it is all good !

            Now some of you can flame the heretic ! I could get a crap less.

            • Well, so much for thinking… down to earth or otherwise.

            • The supposed heretic is simply misdirected. You are confusing churchianity with “Christianity”

              This misdirection is supposed to get us to throw out the baby with the bath water. Political religion [ completely man-made ] uses words of scripture but redefines everything to remove the power of God from His people. Their hatred for God extends to His people. Beware.

            • As the Turd-Flinging Monkey often states: “God Bless John McCain’s Tumor. A true American Hero.”

        • Politicians WANT a crises.
          “Shutdown” Crises is fabricated, made up, cooked up by politicians. Made up “emergency” made up CREATED crises.
          What next? Martial law?

          This web site refuses to address Boulder Colorado FORCED gun registration. Magazine bans on East Coast. Dem leftist pushing for more gun grabbing. NWO leftist communist want your ability to say “No” negated.

          Border issue is real.
          Illegals streaming across is problem.
          Drugs, gangs, criminals, OTM’s other than Mexicans streaming across, ALL a real problem.

          Demographics are a WEAPON used by NWO leftist.
          Immigration and Low Birth rate by caucasion Americans will make you a stranger in your own country.
          Muslims are allowed into this country to stir up Chaos.

          The foul mouthed Muslims and crazy east coast leftist are NOW congressman/congresswomen. You are being cooked a little at a time. Like a Frog being boiled alive in the soup pot. Read some of the crazy words from these new eloects. INSANE.

          WAKE UP.

          Then there is the CENSORSHIP on this web site and ALL accross TECH Mafia-Tech MONOPOLY web platforms.
          Free speech is first to go
          Are you BLIMD to the PC pro commie media NONSTOP brainwashing.
          Guns/Ammo are the next
          There will be made up crises to take guns
          The round ups might begin right before that. Or have they already started?

          DHS has spoken with our church a few years back. To cooperate, snitch, collect info on congregation members.

          These dirtbags hate the Family unit.
          They hate the Christian faith.
          They hate strong males.
          They also seem to hate the white race.
          EVERYTHING is being done to DESTROY strong men, family unit, Christianity.

          You need to Stand.
          Look at how black men and the black families have already been destroyed INTENTIONALLY.

          Whites are next.
          At the same time Demographics-Births-Illeagals-Muslims being used as weapon.

          Verbotten topics. No free speech. Just listen to Alexa and SIRI they will guide you to being a good world citizen. And snitch you out if you are out of bounds.
          Bow down to your tech mafia dons. Sheep.

          Trump is a fraud. He will be scapegoat for crash.
          Border crises fraud.

          • Anonymous, you have maybe 50 % correct ?

            The one thing you do have quite right is how the web and sites are used to manipulate people. The perfect example is ZH and this site to a lesser degree. Both are run by people who do not actually exist and I suspect both are part of the same mechanism and consortium of manipulations.

            I have been amused many times at how many here will come to the aid of the entity who claims to be Mac and willingly give support for the nauseous adverts and other marketing junk to be able to save the net and get all that important info out there for all, like the many devices and utter nonsense that is marketed and defended as some kind of important crap to keep the truth flowing, when there is almost zero TRUTH being told and ever more marketing of hype junk ! I have mentioned several times T Durden is NOT a real person and that is a fact. I suspect Mac is not a real person as well and may actually be a part of the T Durden creation !

            One thing is a certainty, we all live under many illusions created for us ! And most people have their head so far up their ass they see none of it and are almost completely controlled and quite clueless.

            Nothing new at all in any of it.

        • Honeypot, actually what we are seeing is the absolute positive truth we should cut the gov by 50% ASAP! Nobody is harmed at all except the gov leaches who suck us all dry with do nothing jobs. I say start with a 50% cut at every agency and then cut more as the dust settles. The waste and fraud is off the charts above and beyond the absurd do nothing positions and administrators ad-nauseum. Also in investigate and imprison at least 50% of congress and all appointed positions and make all of them who used the sex slush fund to pay it back with interest of 12% they charge you ! Fuck em all as hard as possible legally who are guilty of many crimes and just fire the worthless lazy asses that are over burden. That will also drain the swamp !

          Is that clear enough ?

      3. Americans need to understand that the scenario described my Michael Snyder is going to happen… with or without… the government shutdown. So far, the U.S. House has not sent a bill to Trump that he can sign. The truth is that the U.S. House is shutting down the government. The shut-down is a blessing, because it is preceding a financial tsunami, and conditioning the public to adjust for it. Get ready for a financial shift. GET READY. Today the sources in Tanzania are reporting that the Global reset has started. Sincerely, R.E. Sutherland, M.Ed./sciences (1/11/19)

      4. We probably can halve the waste in EBT cards (what used to be called food stamps) by simply and inexpensively going back to the US commodity program which buys surplus food from farmers’ crops and livestock, and then giving that to the impoverished.

        We also could start a Heifer Project-like program where impoverished people get two rabbits and instructions to build cages and care/feeding requirements. Then at some point, they in turn give two rabbits to a deserving impoverished family. Rinse repeat. That program takes the best performers and these oversee the program to consult/mentor new people.

        By giving dehydrated food as commodities, then the weight falls so shipping costs fall. Simultaneously we teach people how to dehydrate food and foster gardening as a norm and a new Victory Garden program. We could give incentives for people who follow through or volunteer.

        We could end some minimal work requirements in lieu of genuine gardening/small scale livestock so people are self-sufficient.

        We could allow each American to sell their own produced garden produce up to a set amount without government harassment. Even things like pies or cheese that is sold locally.

        • nl3r7rkO0Jk
          A quarter of Americans already use church food banks. They are run by volunteers. The government could just send the food directly to these food banks who wish to participate, and then Walmart doesn’t get the profit from EBT cards but instead the poor get ALL the food instead of some food minus profit.

          Often the Supplemental Food Program helps senior citizens.

          And many the church food banks ALSO run clothing closets so they could get these at the same time. This way gently used donated clothing is distributed to those who need it like kids before winter time.

        • Good ideas, maybe, but you’d have county at your door saying those rabbits aren’t in the zoning regs or you can’t put a garden in your yard! don’t forget Agenda 21… population density control and where’s your permit. We haven’t had a government here since the Civil War anyway. It’s just another for-profit corporation… and it went bankrupt last year. This isn’t about a wall…. everybody is so busy taking pot shots at each other they can’t see who’s moving the shells around. Which one’s it under? Duhh.. not that one.. It’s all about the Banks, folks, and who owns those? And who are they a front for? How deep IS the rabbit hole? What WERE those “life force annuities” the Prince got and whos life force did they represent? You? Me? Are we the ‘gross national product’?

          • Stop using usurers and their banks. Nationalize the FED. Simple as “ RE ELECT NOBODY “.

            [ so simple they will think YOU are retarded ]

        • Just got off the phone with EBT recipient who said they were giving Jan. and Feb. credits to the cards this month. Probably see overdose cases spike.

      5. Vote out both sides until you get a group that will accomplish what needs to be done……

        • Jim in Va., the only thing I support at this point is Succession. It’s clear that we have irreconcilable differences. Plus, there are 50 million immigrants in the US now.

          I want My America back!

          • Did you mean secession? As in seceding from the United States? Just asking.

          • The civil war ended any chance to legally secede from the Union…but that is a violation of the Declaration of Independence.

            The Civil War began when a brave local Kentucky clerk refused to give a same sex couple a marriage license. To do so would violate Kentucky state law. She was right.

            The Supreme Court legislated from the bench which is treason.

            The only way you can change the legal definition is by a constitutional amendment which must be ratified. We have not done that. So again, the brave Kentucky clerk was RIGHT.

            • My brother didn’t know he was being prophetic 30 years ago when he said “This will all be settled in the street with rifles”. The future looks bright, but only after a very turbulent period.
              Looks like USA as a whole will live out that Chines curse “May you live in interesting times”. I guess I should be glad I’m too old to be in the thick of it. Life will truly suck canal water.

        • WE were never to have political parties (factions) because of their divisiveness and because they allow foreign influence into our governments.

          Alexander Hamilton: “We are attempting, by this Constitution, to abolish factions, and to unite all parties for the general welfare.” (Debates in the Convention of the State of New York on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Tuesday, June 25, 1788. In: Henry Cabot Lodge, ed., The Works of Alexander Hamilton (Federal Edition), Vol. 2, New York, 1904, p. 57)

          (Welfare: Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states. webstersdictionary1828 dot com)

          Alexander Hamilton: “Nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties.” (Federalist 1, October 27, 1787)

          John Adams: “There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

          John Adams: “Abuse of words has been the great instrument of sophistry and chicanery, of party, faction, and division of society.”

          George Washington, Farewell Address: “Let me… warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party.”… “And of fatal tendency … to put, in the place of the delegated will of the Nation, the will of a party – often a small but artful and enterprising minority. … They are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the Power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
          And he also said that “The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.”

          James Madison: “A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good.” (Federalist #10)

          Thomas Jefferson: I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. (Letter to Francis Hopkinson (March 13, 1789). In: Merrill D. Peterson (ed.), Letters of Thomas Jefferson, New York, 1984, pp. 940-42. [PL Ford, Writings of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 5, pp. 75-78])

          Plus Jefferson said: “The happiness of society depends so much on preventing party spirit from infecting the common intercourse of life, that nothing should be spared to harmonize and amalgamate the two parties in social circles. (Thomas Jefferson, To William C. Claiborne, July 1801) again Jefferson: “You will soon find that so inveterate is the rancor of party spirit among us, that nothing ought to be credited but what we hear with our own ears. If you are less on your guard than we are here, at this moment, the designs of the mischief-makers will not fail to be accomplished, and brethren and friends will be made strangers and enemies to each other.” (To James Monroe, March 1808)

          • Nope. There were Federalists and Antifederalists from the start…which is how we ended up with a Bill of Rights.

          • Much wiser men than what is today. Uncannily Prescient too. They knew what would happen and how. Sadly they were too right.

      6. 38 million low-income Americans lose food stamps

        800,000 paycheck-less federal employees plunged into dire financial straits

        Federal court system slows to a crawl

      7. NYDDXBqYWlI
        Another idea is “gleaning” crop harvests. Volunteers including the poor go to areas to get leftover food that is difficult to harvest by machines. So the farmer agrees to give these away to the poor, sometimes getting a benefit from participating.

        Quite a bit of food then is saved versus just tilled under.

        • EoK0IQmRUzk
          It’s a “teachable moment” opportunity when the poor visit and glean with an organized group of volunteers because they then can get lessons on growing their own crops by seeing techniques on weed management and watering or how to deal with insects or rodents or plant disease.

          Some gleaning goes to food banks to be distributed, but other goes to soup kitchens to keep their costs low.

          Ideally you don’t want to give handouts. You initially give a little but linked to learning how to do it even if the person is old or poor and has no idea how to begin.

          It usually inspires new groups doing gleaning and community gardening when people have no property of their own.

      8. “Look, I don’t want to seem completely unsympathetic to the plight of all of these federal workers that are being used as pawns in this game of political brinkmanship.”

        I’m unsympathetic as most of those federal government employees, voted for the Democrats that are being jackwagons.
        The only federal workers I’m concerned about is the Coast Guard.

        • I concur. When they looked across the board, the average government employee is a hardline Democrat who donates to the party. So you can bet they are obstructing actively and passively.

          And how did the US Coast Guard get treated like military stepchildren???

          • 566i3rpolg8
            These folks are heroes and then they are not getting paid like every other soldier??? That is FUBAR.

          • Mara,
            “Posse Comitatus Act” is the reason. Coasties operate domestically, they arrest, fine, and shoot people. The active duty military cannot legally do that domestically, except under martial law.
            Coast Guards original name was revenue service, that collected excise taxes on imported goods from ships entering American waters.

            • Nope. “Posse Comitatus” officially ended which is why we ended up with abortions like Northcom.

              Some bozos moved the command structure so the Coast Guard is under HomelandSec and so voila you harmed US servcemen through a FUBAR situation.

              • It was technically suspended in this Defense Act.
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                Then this muddied the waters.
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                Then Obammy did this under the NDAA of 2012

                We are dangerous territory and frankly it badly needs judicial review.

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                  A post is in moderation because I messed up on the hyperlink. In essence, three different pieces of legislation altered how Posse Commitatus operates especially in light of NORTHCOM.

                  Otherwise NORTHCOM is a terrible violation of Posse Commitatus.

                  What we need is judicial review but given Kavanaugh fully supports NORTHCOM and using military troops against the vague term “terrorism”, then any judicial review is likely going to weaken it even more

              • Mara,
                You missed my point.
                Posse Comitatus is still law, or the Coasties would be under DOD control and not the Homeland security abortion.
                CG can be ordered to active duty but then cannot operate domestically.
                Coast guard saves lives, Fines and arrests criminals, keeps our water ways navigation aids operational, et al.
                Our active duty military breaks and kills things.

                • Yes, but Northcom immediately violated Posse Commitatus! This is just circular logic.

        • Coast gaurd and the rest of the armed forces,
          I stand by the men and women serving,

      9. So, if these government workers are given unemployment, are they going to have to pay it back when they receive the back pay for the period of the shutdown? They are always paid for that time, so it seems like they would be double dipping if they don’t pay the unemployment back.

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        In the Spanish Coup of 1936, anarchists shut down the country, killed Christians including leadership, seized farms and property, and destroyed the nation. I can’t begin to describe the atrocities.

        So what happened? A brutal counteroffensive expelled them and you ended up with a horribly repressive regime.

        I figure this is what Soros wants. You know why? ANTIFA and BAMN claim these Spanish anarchists as heroes. They want to turn the USA into SPANISH CATALONIA and end currency and capitalism and private property. This is their chief aim. They want to emulate how it done in 1936.

        And then they would be crushed and Soros and globalists would impose martial law and every patriot would be destroyed and the weak would be in FEMA camps.

        Don’t suggest anything which plays right into the NWO’s goals for one world government.

      11. American patriots without command structure would dengenerate into a thousand enclaves, then battle each other for dominance, and the end result would feudal baronies and serfdom.

        You have to have military leadership that are PATRIOTS themselves.

        Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

        • Most of those would be militia not professional soldiers/veterans. It would be a disaster as you need TOPs and reliable captains.

          When has a war been successfully fought with mostly militia? Never to my knowledge in modern or postmodern history.

          During the American Revolution, the militia were okay locally to resist and defend but were lousy soldiers. George Washington has several quotes on this subject.

          Untrained patriots were used to some success during the War of Northern Aggression, but mostly fighting each other as irregulars.

          • Detailed speculation regarding an unknown future is great ain’t it?

          • Maranatha. Victorious Militia leaders will gain followers because of their victories. The byword will be not to trust anyone who was ‘somebody’ before the revolution. Celebrity notables without victories will only lead the Patriot cadres back to the Fedbeast. Its a given.

            My guess, and that of many others, is that States will seceed and collage/coalesce with other states to form a republic of red states, led by a powerful core state, like Texas for example. It’s still up to militia leaders to inspire people and have victories, for the separation from the Fed Beast and Blue states to pull itself off.

            In this theory, Massive population transfers will HAVE to happen. It wont be pretty. But when a Red State group seceeds you cannot leave a sizable Marxist population residue behind to be a fifth column, otherwise you’ll be destroyed immediately from within. Im not hoping for this, Im just sayin. If your in a massively blue area, be ready to move.

            Believe me, just because this theorization didnt occur to you or I, doesnt mean it wont to Patriot leadership, people arent clue-less.

            • Name a time when what you propse has ever happened in history.

      12. “Let them eat avocado toast” like some French lady said.

      13. Nope. WASPs as soldiers conquered the USA but WASPs as immigrants themselves conquered the land as settlers farming homesteads.

        What you are proposing is no military leadership, just WASP homesteaders/preppers who only make up 2% of all Americans somehow by a series of miracles and no professional army with armor and artillery and air support and a navy and support personnel using logistics…

        …can win against the New World Order.

        It’s insane and boneheaded.

        • Miracles do happen.

          • Yes I fully believe in the TRINITY and thus that YAHWEH will ultimately solve the NWO problem by supernatural means.

            6 million preppers cannot defeat 324 million other Americans or defend against invaders by miraculous means.

            If you think they can, that is like being a degenerate gamber thinking he can win.

            • God can do anything. The whole world will come against Israel one day and the world will be defeated. I’m hoping our country can be saved, but I fully expect it to be destroyed as too many have turned their backs on Jesus and mocked Him. I do not wish to argue with you. I still have some hope left and I will certainly fight, but I won’t allow myself to be turned into a cold blooded murderer either. Peace M.

              • Menzo, I believe we can and we will defeat our enemies, especially UN ‘peacekeepers’. Google the history of UN peacekeeping operations around the world. Not exactly a success story, especially in Africa.

                • I’m in all the way and ain’t going anywhere DR. This is our home.

                  • Menzo, I’m in all the way cuz it’s my home too. Only place I’ll be running from is the city back to good ol’ mountains of north GA. Once I bugout I’m bugging in and never going to another city as long as I live.

                    • I’m close in the mountains of western NC brother.

              • I believe Christians willbe persecuted but the harpazo will occur when the AbominationofDesolation occurs.

                Then YAHWEH’s WRATH will be poured out.

                That is what Jesus said in Mattheww 24. In Matthew 25, Jesus said to prepare.

                • 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.
                  The Return of the Son of Man
                  (Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28)*
                  26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
                  29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
                  Matthew 24:15-31

                  There is no pretribulation rapture in the Bible. It is a false doctrine that no one believed in either Jesus, the disciples, or the early church fathers.

                  It is after the tribulation of the Christians, then the harpazo.

                  • What does Matthew 24:28 specifically say “carcass”. What holy place had a carcass for a short time? The Tomb of Christ.

            • Maranatha:

              Ever thought about “getting a life” – instead of posting from your basement ALL DAY?

              • I spent five decades working. Then I also did active ministry for the same length of time. I reckon I deserve to take a break.

                Meanwhile, why don’t you start preaching for Jesus? You realize that:

                Suffering for Righteousness
                (Romans 6:15-23)
                14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
                16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
                1 Peter 3:14-19

                If you are a “preacher” then why are you confused about this issue???

        • Mara,
          I just have to jump in on this.
          If you can just break the fragile
          JIT system we have, you can change it.
          2% of the population was more than enough
          to take down the Imperial
          Russian government.
          Americans largely live in big cities,
          that are very dependent on outside
          resources that are brought in on very
          poorly defended transportation systems.
          Water, power, roads and waterways.
          Panic and fear is your friend.
          2% can really make a difference.
          As powerful as the military is, it
          is mostly deployed outside our borders.
          Dollar to a donut if you took out the eastern
          and western US power grid effectively,
          and popped a few politicians there
          isn’t much they could do about it.
          4GW, read up on it.

          • Yes, see Afghanistan.

            But I don’t think that militia will beat the NWO. Jesus will do it. I am perfectly willing to give a last hurrah to fight Luciferians.

      14. The sooner ZOG USSA is FLUSHED into OBLIVION the BETTER for HUMANITY

        • What exactly do you preach about? I do not know a single preacher who talks about ZOG. That is not something taught in seminaries.

          In fact, do you believe in Jesus Christ and is he your Lord and Master?

          • Maranatha: Christian Identity brothers are a bit more ‘tribal’ than maineWtream Christians. We Christians, when in a poltical realm, should be willing to pony up to the variety of Chritian subset views.

            I myself am a Christian Dominionist. I am a pre-millennial hoper in the rapture, but like you want to fight the fine fight against Luciferians and the Magician Soros. I am a Christian Soldato. Always will be, to the day I die. I didnt make this world. The only time it makes sense is when you force it to.

            We hope Jesus comes back soon, and brings righteousness and justice, and healing in his wings.

      15. The Establishment (Deep State) must screw up, in order to defeat itself. Could this be the beginning?

      16. Whining snowflakes, wish I made 30k a year, I’m lucky if I make 12,000 a year working the lowest of low paid federal job for AAFees. Try making less than a $1000 a month stretch when your rent is $700+

      17. Wild that one person, Pelosi, and her stooge Chuckie, won’t use that $5 billion as a bargaining piece for DACA or H!B Visas or something that they deem necessary. Also funny is her lapdog Chuckie standing by her even though he does not have the senate majority position. Just an afterthought.

      18. Michael Snyder himself wrote a book agreeing with me and it’s based upon this verse.
        29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory
        Matthew 24:29-30

      19. Hum … hasn’t impacted me at all. What exactly will all the unconstitutional workers not working do to us? What America needs is more not working / preferably unemployed government workers.

        • Also known as original intent. America / fedgov was suposed to be all about not being a monster government!

      20. Michael Synder

      21. This country used to be a work and you will eat kinda place
        Now it’s stay home and get fat off snap and ebt free food and rent.
        Keep it all off iam tired of the free loaders

      22. The Crash Of The “Everything Bubble” Started In 2018 – Here’s What Comes Next In 2019

        Trump Will Get The Blame For The Crash

        “Trump’s incessant propensity for taking credit for the bull rally in stocks makes him a perfect scapegoat for the ongoing crash. The acceleration in 2019 will be followed by numerous distractions. While Trump has blamed the Federal Reserve for recent stock instability, he has at the same time blamed his own trade war. Trump has attached the success of his presidency to the success of a stock market that he used to call a “big bubble” created by the Fed.”

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      23. Well, at least President Trump kept his promise to run the country like he ran his businesses. I’ll give him that credit.

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        Most likely 73-74 AD

        The Siege of Masada was 967 versus as much as 14,800 Romans including reserves. They held out heroically but then were defeated.

        That is the fate of patriots without the grace of Jesus Christ.

      25. Oh my what are 600,000 Hasidic Chewz collecting welfare gonna do when the entitled ones lose their precious SNAP benefits and Section 8 Housing?

        They’ve openly admitted that they get married by a Rabbi so the marriage isn’t recognized by the State, making it appear as if their wives are struggling single mothers. They have openly admitted to this themselves.

        They have 6-12 children per couple, as many kids as they can possibly have which drives up their benefits. They marry young and many have 10 kids by their 20th wedding anniversary, around age 40.

        They have openly admitted to all of this and have said so themselves right ON CAMERA.

        You wanna see the SHTF? If they don’t get their subsidies and freebies, these people don’t mess around. That has never happened to them before.

        If their handouts are cut off watch what they do in NYC’s Boroughs like Brooklyn, and even in NYC, and nice areas of New Jersey and Florida too, where they occupy entire towns.

      26. Masada was their Alamo. I lost an ancestor at the Alamo. His death was not in vain.

      27. Did you know that almost all the banks, credit card, companies, auto loan companies, mortgage comapnies, etc…are sending emails out notifying any govt employee that they wont have to make their payments until the shutdown is over? And, they won’t be charged any late fees. Did you also know that most of these workers are going to get their backpay? In other words, their getting a paid vacation on the back of the taxpayers. And I’m supposed to feel sorry for them? Are you friggin kidding me? I hope they all lose their jobs forever. And no back pay. Screw em all.!!!!!!!

      28. 5l0aDRjGyzs
        I reckon y’all already heard that a plague of locusts assauted Mecca, Islam’s most sacred place.

        YAHWEH is bringing about change. There is no way the imams’ can spin it.

        The manure has hit the fan.

        • ht tps://
          That is a holy warning and about as Biblical as it gets.

          14 And the locusts went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts of Egypt: very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts as they, neither after them shall be such. 15 For they covered the face of the whole earth, so that the land was darkened; and they did eat every herb of the land, and all the fruit of the trees which the hail had left: and there remained not any green thing in the trees, or in the herbs of the field, through all the land of Egypt. 16 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron in haste; and he said, I have sinned against the LORD your God, and against you. 17 Now therefore forgive, I pray thee, my sin only this once, and intreat the LORD your God, that he may take away from me this death only.
          18 And he went out from Pharaoh, and intreated the LORD. 19 And the LORD turned a mighty strong west wind, which took away the locusts, and cast them into the Red sea; there remained not one locust in all the coasts of Egypt. 20 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
          Exodus 10:14-20

      29. Maranatha, I saw that article. Don’t be surprised if they blame that incident on Israel.

        • 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say , that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
          1 Corithians 10:19-22

          There is no such thing as worshipping some pagan god as benign myths according to the Bible. Any who do, worship fallen angels ie demons.

          • This makes Islam a religion of demon worship. There is no such thing as an Abrahamic god according to the Bible. There is only YAHWEH and the ELOHIM is the plural word for the TRINITY: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

            Allah has nothing to do with YAHWEH. Allah is not an Abrahamic god, that is some intellectual babble without Scriptural basis.

      30. 20 But I say , that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
        1 Corinthians 10:20-22

        It’s worship of a fallen angel ie a demon, a lower spiritual being in the Greek.

        In essence, when you mess around with pagan gods, you no longer have YAHWEH’s protection and thus in this case Baal, the Cannite god of the harvest could send a plague of locusts to torment those followers.

        According to the Bible, there is no such thing as some benign myths outside of TRINITY, just fallen angels decieving as minions of Lucifer (literally in the Hebrew Helel ben Shahar), the Morning Song. Satan is actually a title meaning the Accuser which is seen in the book of Job.

        The so-called myth of Venus is actually Helel ben Shahar as a beautiful appearing supernatural being of the morning and associated with a star that appears early on the horizon.

        If you study this way back to Sumer, you will find this androgyny as a perversion used by the priests of these pagan gods (demons). This is why it is so hideous with the glorification of transexuals and alternative gender types as it truly is satanic in origin.

        That coming out in the open versus being disgusting obscene occult beliefs is just one more sign of the End of Days and open apostacy where the self is worshipped instead of YAHWEH.

        If you study who Lillith is in Bible (hidden within one specific text Isaiah 34:14 in the Hebrew), then the same blending of genders is found in the worship of that demon on Sumer.

      31. It’s unclear but the rumor is an opposition leader who is a member of congress has expelled Maduro as president of Venezuala. No confirmation.

        The White House had earlier announced their support for this opposition leader. Details are unclear. I believe his name is Juan Guiado.

        • According to the rumor, the Supreme Court is in exile and has ratified this new president.

          • ht tps://
            The secret police violently arrested Guiado but he was traveling with his immediate family and two foreign journalists, so an international incident was sure to happen, thus he released after two hours.

      32. ht tp://
        Be advised that Antifa has claimed to create three no go zones for what they claim are “facists” in Nashville, TN.

        • oUnk4lBZ1fo
          Here is a no go zone they created in Portland, I presume Oregon in 2017.

          Antifa vows to violently attack any conservative who enters any no go zone.

        • Maranatha, I saw that article. Antifa has no business doing anything like that. If anyone submits to them they’ll only be encouraged to do more of the same. If they try the same thing in my area there will be trouble. They approach me and try their BS with me only at their own peril. Antifa doesn’t tell me what to do.

          • Face the facts, LEOs are hampered by their leftist mayors who are DEMOCRATS. Antifa does this in urban areas which are almost always Democrat bastion. These traitorous mayors are enabling domestic terrorist groups to then use the threat of violence…with impugnity.

            Look to history. The DEMOCRATS did this with the Ku Klux Klan. It’s the identical tactic even with masking, intimidation, violence, arson, etc.

            It was inevitable the Proud Boys rose up. Frankly they are heroes.

            • _3Kby9XEndI
              Civil War 2.0 has already started, both at the grassroots level, and at the federal level. Folks are just denying reality.

              Why do you think the Russian minister refused a state visit recently? He stated that the American civil war has begun with this now longest shutdown.

              It’s 1859-1860 all over again.

              It’s Lincoln versus the newspapers all over again.

              The Democrats are trying to wholesale disarm Americans so that it is a bloodless coup. Well, that ain’t happening as the majority support the Second Amendment.

              Look at Feinstein’s OUTRAGEOUS bill which would basically disallow any firearms sales or ownership. That woman is a traitor and traitors get what they deserve.

      33. ht tps://
        Apparently the USDA oversees the EBT and reviews/verifies that contract. So in Oregon, a grocery chain was under review and it was unfinished due to the shutdown, thus anyone trying to use their EBT cards there are automatically denied as it’s under review.

        You can bet you will hear more about this.

        There’s an odd rumor that there is some sort of political action, possibly bipartisan, to allow temporary EBT charges for February if EBT card holders go to the grocery before January 20. There is no confirmation as to the veracity of that rumor. I doubt it.

      34. There is another rumor of NATO naval support to the Ukraine.

      35. A rule of thumb. Whatever the MSM says is exactly opposite of the truth.

      36. Government shutdown seems to be the psyop to generate riots that lead to martial law. You can’t fight armed drones and remote-controlled missiles with shotguns.

        At the same time, those willing to fight will show themselves and will be curtly eliminated…

      37. First I would not believe one work from the American hating MSM
        Second, This fallout of the shutdown looks great to me – Keep iygoing

      38. The US already has Anarchy, at the highest levels of Government, Industry, and Academia.

        But it’s UN-AFFORDABLE Anarchy (by design of TPTB) – it’s an asset-stripping operation.

        (Actually, all of American health care is an asset-stripping operation – they are stripping the assets of the disappearing middle class.)

        I’ll take Affordable Anarchy over Un-affordable Anarchy, ANY DAY.

        Let’s cut all government, all police forces, about 50%.

      39. If we enter an economic “hellscape” it won’t be because of a gov’t shutdown, it will be because the gov’t, or large parts of it, won’t remain in shutdown. Gov’t spending is increasing faster than the economy is growing, and has been for nearly 50 years. Only now, it is growing in magnitudes faster. Gov’t is absorbing huge amounts of financial resources in this country, running up not just ruinous debt, but catastrophic debt. Titanic gov’t debt (local, state, fed. – all far beyond the level of unpayable). Now the Demo.’s want to increase taxes even more even though many taxpayers are tapped out.
        Hyper wealth concentration is also co-responsible for the dramatic shrinking of the middle class (with the blessing of TPTB), wages are basically in a permanent state of stagnancy, and the vast majority of jobs created are with sub-middle class wages. All other forms of debt like car loans, student loans, corporate debt, and personal debt is in the multi-trillions. The nation’s financial systems has been manipulated and hollowed out by those who really control them, to the point it can no longer be sustained, and only the few at the top benefit.
        Don’t swallow the propaganda BS from the gov’t/deep state/TPTB/”elites”, they are all together, regardless of party affiliation, it’s us against them, and they despise the American people.
        To my utmost I honestly, truly, really, literally, sincerely, and irrevocably want SECESSION NOW !!! Before we get dragged down to ruin with the rest of the nation to live poorly and powerlessly like penned sheep.

      40. Look at the merits of the legal arguments in this case. We would be forced to recognize the marriage of nieces to uncles which is allowed among Hindus. We would be forced to recognize child marriage in Islam. Any number of people could marry each other so three to a milion could declare they have the right to marry altogether or else violate equal protection under the law.

        And all without a constitutional amendment and the ratification process.

        This is how crazy things are when you legislate from the judiciary.

        • If everyone has equal protection under the law and thus can get married and recognized by the state, then a brother can marry a sister, a son can marry his mom while she is still married to her husband and his father, two sisters can marry, etc.

          It’s nuts.

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            Lest you think I am overreacting, look at Germany. Look at France which has altered the age nof consent.

            Liberalism is not only a disease, it is spiritual sickness.

        • ht tps://
          Think I am overreacting? The US State Dept. approved ~8500 Muslims to bring in their child brides!

      41. bX3EZCVj2XA
        A KGB agent gives a famous interview about how the Communists infiltrated and subverted groups like Hollywood and the Democrats. This led to confusion, disconnection from reality, immorality over generations, all to inexpensively wage war.

      42. htt ps://
        Leftist thought police, not unlike the worst treachery of Soviet informers under Stalin.

      43. htt ps://
        This is America’s future when members of Congress offer up war cries for Allah! This is nothing more than an Muslim invasion facilitated by the traitorous DNC.

        Well, that worked so well in history, right?

      44. We would not be in a shut down, if the libtards cared more about the people that elected them, than power and the one world party line.

        When General Santa Anna and Mexico were threatened by Americans moving into what is now Texas, he posted 30,000 troops on the border and SHOT any and every person that crossed in from Texarkana.

        Doesn’t a barrier sound a tad more civil?

      45. …Only for Communists who don’t know how (and don’t want anyone else) to live without government “providing” for them at gunpoint.

      46. The rumor is Ginsburg is dead. No confirmation.

        • htt ps://
          The Democrats knowing Barrett is in the lead to fill Ginsburg’s spot have previously attacked her Christianity. Gear up for Supreme Court Nominee Kangaroo Court 2.0.

      47. htt ps://
        Sorta speaks for itself how our so called allies think of Christians.

        This is an outrage.

      48. I hope the Food stamp’s Don’t come. I would relish the lard ass wiggers & other lowlifes going nuts. How pitiful is someone who cannot even feed themselves? However possibly grocery pieces would go lower. Im tired of my cash having to compete with (Free) food stamps at the grocery store. I will bet at the last moment Trump will declare a national emergency and use the military budget money to construct the border wall. Or wait until the welfare crowds riot and them Declare Martial Law. And use the military to police the riots. Not use military to quell the riots. But to contain them. Keep them in their citys & neighborhoods. Not let unruly Hoards roam about creating mayhem.

      49. Country people have always grown their own crops and raised small scale livestock. And people routinely bartered or “gifted” their neighbors with rabbit meat, then when apples came in, these got “gifted” back. It’s the same thing and no money changd hands

        What is weird is the leftists used to claim to serve the working class and farmers! But they don’t anymore! The DNC claims to be the party that helps women but they don’t! They faciltate abortion which has killed millions of female babies. They claim to support African-Americans but they don’t! Obama is responsible for wiping out more African American middle class income than anyone in American history. That is a FACT!

        The DNC has turned itself into a party of limp wrists, kooks, sexuallyconfused, perverts, crybabies, etc. But worst of all, they want even more amnesty when eleven dfferent amnesties have FAILED to hault illegal immigration. So the DNC has become the strangest political party in history that openly supports those who are illegal aliens who thus are not Americans! This would be as bizarre as the DNC working for the Russians.

        Look up the Heifer Project. All across the political spectrum you will find support of this practical agricultural global phenomena which inexpensvely helps impoverished people gain financial independence.

        • That Heifer project is a abject failure. When they send a purebred heifer to some third world place. That animal is not resistant to the diseases & parasites and the feed & care it receives is of poor quality. And if it somehow happens to live long enough to Reproduce. The offspring will be from some poor quality bull and thus 1/2 cull. It would be better to send healthy two year old bulls. The bull is 1/2 of a breeding herd so you should always try & get bulls that will upbreed the cattle.

          • Failure???

            By what standards?

            It’s helped millions and the program mostly sustains itself. Parents make a little extra and expand their herds. Then they buy bicycles and send their kids to school. They can afford medicine for the first time.

            If the average per capita is $260, and they double their income which is very possible, it totally changes their lives.

            They are not trying to breed the best, just stuggling to survive.

            Honestly, what are you thinking?

            • Nope those who can have cattle already have them. and they are inferior inbred animals that produce very little in the way of meat & milk. When you introduce something like a purebred holstien to the area no matter who receives it. It soon becomes the property of those who are in control. and doesn’t get the feed and care a dairy cow in the USA receives and likely doesn’t produce any more milk than the native cattle. and dies before it produces any great amount of offspring. Take the example of the Indian reservation lands. Nothing thrives there. Many a young native boy has returned home from college with the start of a cttle herd. only to have the best killed and butchered and the remainder given to the elders and sold to buy booze and vehicles. Get on Google earth satellite. And view the Reservation land. its all barren and littered with junk & trash. Yet the land that borders it is green and productive. I know a man that when he was a teen joined the peace corps. His family farmed rice. He was in a African village. And the women would walk several miles to the river to wash clothes and get water. and every week the Hippos and crocks would kill womwn and small children. His family have money. so he had them ship him the makings of a rice well and pump. they dug a well and placed a shaft driven rice pump in it. then they built a merry go round. and as the children played they pumped great amounts of water. They planted fruit trees and grew gardens. And after a time he left. He returned a year later. The trees where all dead no gardens and the merry go round and pump gone. Those folks are their very own worst enemys. He was told that having the hippos and crocks kill the weak & infirm was necessary. Too many mouths to feed and growing gardens was too much work. Those men didn’t want to work. They wanted to sleep inside the mud straw & cow poop huts where it was cool during the heat of the day. and have sex as much as possible. because when you have a certain number of wives and children you are now a Head Man.

              • What happened to make you so bitter that you lost the ability to rationally look at reality?

                What you just said is not reality.

                There is nothing in Matthew 25 about avoiding helping the suffering because the person thinks it is hopeless. If that were the case, then no help would ever happen and the impoverished would just perish.

                Weird, Man. Your outlook is warped and not true.

              • . . .third world due to junky and trashy genetics. . .

      50. if mainstream media told the TRUTH about how the southern border has been overrun by illegals-there would be NO issue and BO shutdown. Americans would support the President in his efforts to protect their culture, personal safety, and jobs.

      51. sh85cYW4hbk
        The Heifer Project began as a Christian organization. The goal was not to waste money by giving handouts which do nothing to help the impoverished. The goal was to give training, mentorship, and livestock. Then when the receiver had their own livestock, as a condition of reciving the gift, they in turn gave away training, mentorship, and livestock.

        This is good old common sense and it is the MOST successful program to help the poor in the entire world. Why not do it in America?

        • When I was in FFA the Chapter owned a hog barn. The chapter had some registered hogs. A student could get a registered gilt pig. and raise it and breed it back to one of the chapters registered Boars. Then from the first litter the student gave the chapter two weaned gilts as payment. The practice was curtailed in the late 60,s because pork could be very easily overproduced. Over production caused prices to plummmett and the raising and fattening of hogs was a great gamble. Pork producers had to get big enough to be able to get a contract to sell at a guaranteed price to a packing house. The small farmer with a few sows usually lost money.

          • The goal is not to specialize but raise livestock and keep raising their other crops. And then sell a little.

            Actually it becomes a co-op so they are notcompeting, thus not taken advantage of by corporate interests. Instead they coordinate their efforts.

            • There is an intentional effort not to overproduce so prices fall. The goal is to feed families and sell a little excess.

              The new rabbits for example, go to another village, not give every villager rabbits. So you are not just overproducing in one region which is selfdefeating.

      52. htt ps://
        When Business Insider starts giving prepper advice, that’s when you KNOW the collapse is near.

        The elite and Congress KNOW that JIT practices will harm trucking and rail and barges.

        It’s not if but WHEN. And when other forces like the instability of Wall Street due to algol trading, raising interest rates by the FED, civil war 2.0, Antifa, Supreme Court nominee hearings like Kavanaugh, fake news, illegal aliens, contagion like H1N1, signs of Biblical prophecy, earthquakes, bad weather, government shutdown, etc then this is not conspiracy theory anymore but inescapable FACTS.

        From Dec-Feb is the very WORST time to bug out but it could happen to crazy urban folks who have not prepared in the LEAST.

      53. the shutdown is a sham…..its all show. Critical depts remain open. Gov’t employees will get their money….after the gov’t opens up again. What the shutdown DOES show is how many depts are actually NOT NECESSARY to run the gov’t….we should make gov’t smaller to get rid of the debt…that includes the military…..close the bases we have all over the world. Why is the embassy the biggest embassy in the world?…What do they ship out from the embassy…to other embassys all over the world?….is it drugs?….arms.?….close the gov’t…its all a waste of tax payer money…The USA was built by FREE ENTERPRISE…not by congress…

        • oops….I was referring to the embassy in BAgdhad…sorry..

      54. We have non essential people not working and they say there are 800,000 of them. The last I heard we have about 2.5 million government employees and the non essential amount to 800,000. That means that 1/3 of the workforce is not needed. Do you think?????

      55. Here’s my talk on the whole sorry scenario. It’s not just the TSA. It’s a lot of the government. However, this isn’t political brinkmanship, it is nothing more than a damned temper tantrum by the President. He wants a bunch of money that we don’t have to build a white elephant of a wall, when the real issue is that thosands of people are seeking political asylum into our country because Central American countries aren’t safe because they are randomly killing people. These countries are run by gangs and the cartel. Solution? Send in the damned Marines and get the damned job done, the people that are causing all of this mayhem killed or behind bars and let the people go back to their countries in peace. We do not need RDIF chips. We do not need a TSA, CIA, or Homland Security. The old system worked perfectly fine. We also do not need the Obamacare tax which Trump promised to get rid of. He wants to privitize everything and that will cause millions of low-income people from having any access to healthcare and that will cause many people to die. He continus to allow businesses, like GM to declare bankruptcy and then give their CEO’s millions of dollars. It makes no sense. GM files, millions of workers are out of work and they ship their work to either Mexico (who was supposed to pay for the damned wall) or Canada (whose huge border cannot be adequately dealt with by ICE). That is why the southern border wall is a joke. If he really wants to make a statement, instead of going after the little guys and treating them like slaves and what he is doing is the very definition of slavery as defined by the US Constititional Amendment, what he really needs to do is STOP PAYING THE DAMNED CONGRESS THEIR HUGE SALARIES AND HEALTHCARE BENEFITS AND PACS. That would get attention very quickly. It’s about time that Congress started acting for the people instead of against them.

        • I had to scroll all the way down to here to finally read an intelligent reply!
          Thank you for that 🙂

      56. Hopium overdose kills just as dead as opium does. And by the looks of commenting, there is about 50% smoking HOPIUM in desperation amounts. The cognitive dissonance and distraction is incredible. Every single topic goes off the rails numerous times because of one poster.. Yep distraction. Who gets the most prolific poster award Mac?

        • Why would care Ace as you hope the human race perishes?

          You are the first prepper I ever heard of who is so genocidal.

      57. In Kunster’s Wirld Made By Hand series, what ends up happening is systemic global collapse. Nobody knows what is going on. People in the rural areas come up with ways to adapt.
        1. Some Christian protestants loosely help each other.
        2. Some bikers dismantle items from abandoned homes and sell these as construction material.
        3. A wealthy knowledgable guy picks up strays who know nothing about agriculture. They voluntarily become serfs but also have far more security and technology and live in abundance.
        4. Some trade on flatboats and keelboats up and down the river.
        5. Most cities fail but some on the river deal with harvested material from shops.
        6. A religious group of stouthearted men and their wives relocate based on security. They use low tech like the Amish but are often veterans.
        7. Crazy leftists try congames to to get groups to donate taxes to get the fed government working again.
        8. Dixiecrat fundamentalists create a white nationalist theocracy within a city.
        9. African Americans have their own version.

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        His official twitter account confirmed that he’d been detained, with his political party issuing a statement that he was then released less than two hours later.

        His wife, Fabiana Rosales, and daughter were reportedly traveling with him at the time, along with two foreign journalists, one from CNN en Español, who were also briefly detained.


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        Would you show up to work if you were TSA and not being paid? They are calling in sick and creating hour long delays in air travel. Eventually, that will break…it is inevitable.

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        Oh it gets better and better!

      62. At the very least, the DNC will be forced to either approve the Wall or face the prospect of a massive swamp draining which will ruin their stranglehold on the Senior Executive Services that are the Swamp.

        They will either lose their ability to flood the USA will millions of illegal aliens…


        …lose the powerful resisters and spies within the Executive branch like the US State Dept and budget heads and every freakin’ branch like the Dept of Energy.

        Either way, the DNC has to collapse like an accordian. They have to decide which is more important, and the longer they delay, the worse it gets, and potentially losing BOTH BATTLES.

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          This pays $128,000-230,000 base pay.

          There are about 8,000 of them.

          They are most often political appointees ie nepotism.

          If they leave due to their political connections, then big business sought them out for influence peddling. Trump wrote executives limiting this practice.

          They are almost impossible to fire based on poor performance.

          So what this does is maintains a political filtering process across adminstrations, much like the Supreme Court.

          Imagine you are the president who is the Chief Executive ie runs this branch and the most powerful 8,000 strong can defy you! No business could operate that way. The president issies commands and 8,000 who run departments defies those commands.

          • “wrote executive orders”…

      63. Let’s say that the government shutdown lasts long enough for a RIF and Trump drains the swamp of half of the Senior Executive Services.

        If the average compensation was $150,000 (pay and benefits) then if 4,000 are eliminated, that saves 600 million dollars.

        Not too shabby.

      64. 70% of the Senior Executive Services are hardcore Democrat ideologues. But this is hardly shocking as they did political favors or their parents did political favor like fundraising and then were given high paying jobs. And these were political stepping stones to make the big money later as lobbyists and serve on the board of directors, serve as future political appointees, run for office, etc.

        Trump is messing with the Democrat gravytrain.

        • So what he could do is toy with the political aristocracy that are the “pool” from which mostly the Democrats find power players to run for Governor, Senator, even the President.

          The Senior Executive Services are that pool of movers and shakers and losing them would so cripple the Democrats that they could not reasonably recover.

          So not only do they lose these future candidates but lose those who bring in the donations that pay for massive media campaigns.

          They would lose major influence over corporations.

          They would lose their lockhold on the State Department and how the USA is perceived and controls other nations.

          The DNC would most likely turn overtly into a Socialist/Marxist party as this old guard was extinquished.

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