Surviving A Mass Shooting: This Is What You Must Do If Confronted By An Assailant Who Is Intent On Killing You

by | Jun 14, 2016 | Headline News | 91 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Editor’s Note: It has been reported that of the 50 people who died in the Orlando massacre, about half of them were killed by their attacker inside of a bathroom. The problem is that most people never consider the possibility that they’ll ever be faced with a deadly threat. To their detriment, they never personally war game such a scenario. While running is an option, it may not be possible when all hell breaks loose. In the following article from The Market Ticker, author Karl Denninger outlines the threat, your options, and what you absolutely must do if you want to survive. 

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    You MUST Change Your Attitude
    By Karl Denninger

    This is not going to be easy for you to read folks.

    But if you do read it all the way through, and then act on it, it may save your life.

    The events in Orlando make clear a few points.  Let me quickly review, although my other articles on this topic have laid out the case in far more detail, and they speak to the political acts you must demand right damned now and follow through on.

    I know you won’t, because at the core we no longer have the “right stuff” as Americans.  We won’t call a general strike and mean it until the Second Amendment’s 4 little words are restored to their clear, English meaning.  As a result you’re going to remain severely disadvantaged to a degree you don’t have to be but until and unless your, and a lot of other people’s, attitudes change in this regard that’s the world you live in so suck it up bucko.

    No, I’m speaking of your personal view and what you internalize.  You see, when something really awful happens you don’t generally get to think.  Your “reptile brain” takes over and it is what you internalize that comes out.

    Here it is, in short: If confronted with overwhelming and superior force by an assailant who appears to be intent on killing you the only logical position you can adopt and the view you must adopt is that you are dead right there, right now.

    Is attempting to flee in such a situation practical?  Maybe, if you can actually flee.  But “to flee” means getting well clear (beyond quick-action firearm range) and do so using cover and/or concealment so you cannot be assaulted during the process.  Note that for a pistol this is probably 25 or so yards and for a rifle more like 100.  That’s 300 feet of distance you must be able to open between you and the gunman without being shot and you must have cover, concealment or both because you will have to turn your back on him to flee at an effective speed.  Further, you must know that there are no barriers (like a bolted or blocked door!) that will not only stop your progress but advertise yourself to the gunman.  Running to a bathroom, which is a one-exit roach motel and what a huge number of people actually did, will almost-certainly simply set you up to be murdered like chickens in a coop with a hole big enough for the fox to get in!

    Second, the radio call to the cops from dispatch has been published.  The cops were told to take cover and not storm the building immediately despite knowing there was a man with a gun inside the building actively shooting people — and they did exactly that, waiting three hours while people who had been shot were bleeding out on the floor.

    READ THIS CAREFULLY FOLKS AND DO SO REPEATEDLY UNTIL IT SINKS IN: The cops, with overwhelming force that they demand the right to possess and use at their whim while at the same time they refuse to allow you to have and possess defensive firepower on your person in the very same situation and place, cowered outside in fear and let the patrons who had been shot and were being shot die.

    Again: You must internalize the view that if confronted with such a situation you are already dead and you, and only you, have any possibility of changing that outcome.

    The reason for this is simple: If you are already dead then any act you undertake can only improve the outcome.  It cannot make it worse, because the worst possible outcome has already happened.

    You must accept and internalize the fact that the cops will not save you; they will, however, dutifully inventory your dead body 12 hours later.  Their first and foremost concern is going home safe at the end of their shift, to “protect and serve” is just a slogan on the side of their car like the slogans on a politician’s campaign sign.

    Folks, given the number of people shot this man reloaded at least twice.  This means there were at least two opportunities for the people present to attack him in some fashion; bum rush the guy, throw a glass or bottle at him, throw a bar stool, chair or table, anything.

    There were at least two short periods of time when he ran out of ammunition and had to swap magazines during which he had at best a club but no bullets!

    I am not blaming the victims here.  Unless you’ve faced what you had reason to believe was your imminent demise you simply do not know how you will react.  Unfortunately most people haven’t put any thought into this situation at all, which means they haven’t even planted the seed in their head that must be nurtured and grown so that if this situation arises they have at least some rational shot at turning the tide.

    We used to, as Americans, face this reality on a regular basis.  We had a large percentage of our population that were drafted and sent to war from time to time and faced bullets whizzing by their heads for months or years, with many of their friends falling to the ones that found their mark.  We had a frontier where you faced snakes, Indians (interested in your scalp as you were, from their point of view, invading their land!) and simple starvation or running out of water, and more than a few succumbed to one of the above.  Disease felled even more, regularly.  There was no such thing as a “safe space” nor the idiot “progressives” demanding and putting forward same as “rights”; that is utter crap yet it has massively contributed to the “oh my God hide in the bathroom!” mentality.

    Simply put you must individually perform this exercise, starting right now and repeating it as often as necessary until it becomes a core part of who you are.  You must be prepared on a mental basis to adopt the “I’m dead” belief and position in mind, body and soul if confronted with such a situation.  Until and unless we, the people on a mass basis demand that everyone have their right to keep and bear defensive arms be respected everywhere, with the possible exception where active, armed government guards are present to temporarily take the duty (e.g. a courthouse), you must understand that nobody else — not the cops, not the government, not the FBI, nobody — is going to be able to help.  Further, unless you’re willing to break the law and risk going to prison you will be unarmed in any place such as a nightclub because your right to self-defense has been disrespected and you have refused to insist that this state of affairs be changed.

    Nonetheless whether you’re armed or not your posture must be, if such a situation arises, I am dead.

    Simply put, this must be the position you adopt.

    Because if it is, when that jackass shows up if he doesn’t spend one of his first magazine’s rounds on you there will be a short period of time, just a few seconds, where you have the ability to disrupt his attack and you must seize that moment and attempt to do exactly that.

    It is the only act that will meaningfully improve your odds of survival and if you have adopted this position it will be what your reptilian mind autonomously responds with because you can only make the situation better since the worst possible outcome has already happened.

    Karl Denninger is the author of Leverage: How Cheap Money Will Destroy the World in which he discusses the ill-use of leverage and how it is destroying the global economy, as well as where all of this will lead. The result is ugly: the value of everything—including gold—falls, and even personal safety is at risk in a world where there is limited money even for essentials like food and fuel.

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      1. Shoot them first.

        • Menzo, damn right. Any turd who points a gun at me, I’m pointing my gun right back at him in self-defense and waste his stupid ass. That’s what you do. Didn’t need an article to tell me that.

        • “M”

          • Sgt

            Hello to you and all. Many places have given classes on active shooter drills.

            Remember ” Get out, Hide out, or Take out ”

            In my case I only have the last choice if my family is with me. Since I have a son in a wheel chair I thought about that fact long ago.

            You have to think about anything around you that can be used as a weapon, a barricade, or a place to hide. How about busting out windows. How about breaking the wall and making an exit. When in a restaurant sit with your back to the wall and your face towards the door.
            Be observant at all times. Don’t be texting or playing with cell phones. So many today make that mistake. If you must take out my suggestion is go for the throat. Push the attackers gun to the side away from you at all times. Become the meanest person on the planet. Anything goes.

            For most on here we are generally armed at all times. There are exceptions for me. Work does not allow fire arms in the building. I do have a permit to keep them in my vehicle. All other times I am armed except for church and I have a fire arm in the vehicle there. I believe we are about to see a time where you will arm yourself at church too.

            Things have gotten serious the past two days. Stay alert and think about anything that you may need.

            • Put up speakers concealed in the attic or something or up near the ceiling and small.

              Connect to a microphone and a switchboard in whatever your safe room is.

              Instant distraction. Make them face the wrong way. Make them look in the wrong place, run from the wrong thing, maybe run in general if you’re lucky.

              Also do a full cam set up in your house, on the inside. I did that (for other reasons than self defense… it was needed as a caregiver) but my god it would work wonders for self defense. Holy crap I can see. In pitch blackness.

              If I ever saw a guy on them I’d pee…

              There’s that…

              But the sound system would certainly help.

              Also any way to remote activate some laser pointers at about the right height? Quick on and off? That would be pretty fucking awesome… guy thinks he’s getting stalked by a guy with a gun…

              Make HIM pee for a change.

              My original philosophy at 19 was wall penetrating rounds (like 7.62×39 or .308 in FMJ)… why present a target… just hose down that entire side of the house through the wall… yeah well neighbors and shit. That unfortunately is not good. It will just keep going.


              Ah well as I’ve said before, killing them’s not my first choice.

              They scare the piss out of me bad enough though… I can’t guarantee that.

              • Thank you for being a CAREGIVER.

              • years i made a fortress and a shooting galery a 308 close up can not penerate me.
                have a long range shoot area for thoes 600 yard shots if need be ,the only fear is fire, having a extinguisher every 6 feet plus a tower and 12 volt pump for fighting flames and an escape route 2 years food ,ect water, and way too much ammo
                SGT USMC 1966-72

            • There are several of us armed at my church, and you would never guess which ones.

        • I am replying to the subject in general. You have only one option if you and those around you are to survive: Running and hiding, praying are not viable choices. Prayer, if you have been answered in similar situations in the past- Good!- then pray. Otherwise, do not waste your time. If 50 were killed, 50 wounded, then we might assume that 50 were not harmed at all. Why can’t 50 people, men and/or women take out a single gunman? Because they do not think, period, or they do not think they can. Two, frail, small laddies can take out a single gunman of almost any size. 1st: do not be afraid- your not going to die- you are going to survive and succeed and save those around you -that is your mind set-period!!! Do not stray from that mind-set. Start, do not stop for any reason-what ever it takes, throwing, swinging, biting and scratching- what ever is your genre- do it quickly and continue in a rage until the job is done. Now, multiply that rage times 50 – what do you have- saved lives and a warning to all who would consider the same- we are Americans- we do not surrender or fail. Stand up- a Vietnam Vet- a kind, gentle person…

      2. Like the old saying goes, “His ass is grass and I’m the lawnmower.”

      3. Put this into perspective. The Main Stream Media, Government and certainly the anti gun groups are hyping this tragic mass killing as something to fear to the point of disarming action. Its being broadcast 24/7 to achieve this goal. The reality is don’t focus on this too much while driving because you chance of dying in a car accident is much greater.

        Interestingly there are approximately 3.2 million AR15s in the US. Given half an opportunity the government would confiscate every one of them as they are implying that their owners pose a threat. Rifles of all types at last tally were used in 248 murders in 2014 with semi auto rifles a sub percentage of that. There is no problem blaming the mass of gun owners but woe to anyone that desires to limit immigration to people with Islamic Fundamental sympathies.

        Be aware of your surroundings but keep this in perspective as the hype is meant to elicit a political concession not inform or save you.

        • kevin2, as always you make some valid points, but any attempt at gun confiscation will ignite civil war 2. The REAL threat is the federal govt.

          • right…as someone said a few months ago “this government is the reason we HAVE a second amendment.”

          • Braveheart1776

            They’re not going to go for confiscation; they’re going for registration with draconian penalties of NFA 34. The semi auto is confused with full auto in appearance for the general public. Most are original owners thinking, “Its already registered”. The sale point will be the NFA 34 background check that comes with it. The $200 tax will be waved like the amnesty in 1968.

            Once they know where they are comes a massive false flag making the political climate right for confiscation. Their MO is gradualism, boiling a frog.

            • Kevin2, they can pass whatever they want. It will all be null and void to me.

              • I think a flurry of these nut case shootings are coming as TPTB think they’re close to getting the brass ring on the merry go round. The goal is to manipulate public opinion.

                With the above in mind TPTB know that this is a popularity contest and they just scored points in Orlando. They also know that these nefarious efforts can backfire in one fell swoop if a carry permit holder stops a tragic mass shooting in progress. The public will rally behind defensive use of a firearm. This is something a bulk of the fence sitters can sink their teeth into.

                We’re in a popularity contest. When debating with a hard core anti gunner without an audience that can be swayed with logic just save your breath or use the verbal exchange as practice. Your not changing their mind regardless of facts. The see what they believe. The goal of the anti gun people is to drive a wedge into gun owners support. Let the guy that has a semi auto pistol that if it has a detachable magazine its an assault weapon to them. In the battle for public opinion overreach is the Achilles heel of the anti gun people.

                • What is TPTB? “Two Party Tyrannical Bastards?”

                  • The powers that be.
                    yours is good, too.

            • @Kevin2….

              That is exactly what they did in California. Specifically with certain varieties of the SKS rifle. First they said “Register them and you can keep them”. Later they said, “Well, we’ve changed our minds. Either turn them in or sell them out of state……or else.” The “or else” would be to be charged with a felony if you are found in possession. Of course, anyone who registered their rifle had already let them know where the weapon was located.

              To date and to my knowledge, there have been no mass confiscations of these weapons. But mark my words, get caught with one in your possession and you’ll be charged with a felony.

              What needs to happen now is that we need to make it abundantly clear to the tyrants that any law they attempt to pass will be met with massive active resistance. Perhaps one thing that could be done is a general strike and acts of civil disobedience.

              Whatever we do, it must be made crystal clear to the tyrants that WE WILL NOT GIVE UP OUR WEAPONS….NOT NOW…NOW EVER.

              • I see a potential 10th Amendment fight with Texas the most likely to lead the way.

                How does the Interstate Commerce Clause validate either Registration or Confiscation? What legal dots get connected to facilitate it? The 10th has broader reach.

                • The 10th Amendment:

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                  The powers not delegated to the United States by theConstitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

          • feral….it’s FERAL govt, braveheart.

      4. I don’t know how you people can believe this crock and bull story! I knew it was phony as soon as I saw the “news”. How the heck can a sole gunman round up and hold hostage 300 people? If you were in a mix of 300 people and a gunman came along, and you were not armed, would you stnd there, pathetically while he rounded you’ll up and eventually shot and/or injured 100 people? How come he was never rushed by all these people? How could the cops spot him and kill him amongst all the people he “captured”. and what were his plans for all these hostages? Did he plan to take them all to his car and torture them? The whole damn story sounds fishy as heck to me! And where were the bodies? If 100 people were killed/injured, how come the media never showed us any pictures of all the carnage? they have no aversion to showing gruesome things– its good for ratings, after all. And what about the pathetic acting outside the night club, when 6 or 7 cops rushed over to a lady who had a bandage on her leg, and was being escorted by 2-3 cops… she was walking by herself. Yet a half dozen cops rushed over to her as if her head were blown off?? Give me a break!! If they (the mafia elite) are going to do this thing, they could at least hire professional actors! Pathetic!!

        • I would not dispute your point. I too strongly suspect Orlando was Sandy Hoax II.

          That said, this article about how to respond during a mass shooting does not need to be linked to Orlando per se.

          The advice contained within is sound advice, regardless of whether any of the recent shootings were false flags or not.

          • Now we’re talking! I see it too! The cops sitting around for 3 hours while the victims are bleeding out? Whoa! Give me that civil court case to prosecute! I’d name each cop individually and ask them why they didn’t help my son/daughter/whatever! Did they order out for donuts? …pizza?

            This is BS. All of it!

            Just keep believing the lies. Thats what they want. Well, I hate to break it to them, but, we are SO OVER THAT! We see theater. We see lies. We’re done here.

        • @Anonymous…..

          I understand your point, and on face value, agree with it. However, remember what happened with the victims of the Holocaust. They were in a very similar situation. Virtually all of them knew that they were going to die….and yet with few exceptions, no resistance or attempts to overpower the guards were ever made. For the most part, they quietly submitted to their fate. I’m sure that there is some psychological explanation for this, but I don’t know what it is.

          I think the author of the article is correct. Unless a person has a predetermined course of action ingrained in their psyche, the natural response to a lethal threat is to act the way a rabbit reacts to the presence of a predator……it freezes. In many cases, it never even attempts to flee. Fear can cause just such paralysis.

        • Anon, it was easy for him because his 300 targets were weak rainbow flag waiving gun-hating liberal cowards with too much estrogen in their HIV infected veins. Had this instead been in a biker’s bar, the outcome would certainly have been different for sure.

      5. THE WHOLE MOTIVE FOR THE SO CALLED, “SHOOTING” THAT HAD NO BODIES… IS TO GET OUR GUNS, OF COURSE– ITS A TOP PRIORITY FOR OBUMMER. He said he just wished he had more time to finish the job… this is his agenda.. the UN’s agenda– confiscation of guns(small arms treaty). Obama is a diligent politician– he may be crooked as hell, a lieing hypocrite and treasonous “leader”. But he IS diligent!!!

      6. No matter where you are make a note of all EXITS. Or if you are at a restaurant or theatre get seating near an exit.

        • It’s been said many times in this forum…avoid crowds. Real simple.

        • if you are REALLY serious, get a good military grade backpack, and a bulletproof vest, and take out the armor and put it in the pack(BOTH, if you want it to stop SOME 5.56)…when confronted with a shooter, put it on and run, or put it in front of you and bum-rush him. and consider every day carry.

          • BCOD

            There was some type of protection backpack for school children.

            • thanks anon, yes, i’ve heard of it…wonder what it costs?…and how GOOD it is?…i KNOW if i buy a military vest in good shape and use THOSE panels, it’s good stuff….make your OWN, and be SURE. military ones can be had on craigslist if your near a base especially. for around 100 to 200 dollars….and when shtf, put the panels back in, and you still got a vest(get plates for it too.)

        • Seat near the exit so I can get my family out.

          I’m attracted to gunfire like moth to a flame. If I heard gunfire in a building I don’t think I could get myself to exit. I don’t think my legs would run away from the scene.

          Frankly, I just don’t know what happens to me. Its not like I’m superman or anything. Its as if, in the face of danger, I have absolutely no fear. Its almost like it calms me. I don’t know what has caused me to be this way. I’ve never been faced with a gunman shooting people but I’ve been in a couple accidents and I’ve witnessed some traumatic events and its like the adrenaline does something strange to my brain.

          From being in the middle of terrifying (to most people) storms to auto accidents to robberies and crime its like when the adrenaline hits my brain it switches off the fear.

          Does anyone else have this type of response?

          • Yup, you’re not alone with that kind of response. Same thing happens to me.

            Odd, yes. Useful, yeah. Lethal.. maybe, because I’d probably hesitate before running if others were in danger too.

          • I also, and I think my wife would agree,
            am at my best when placed in a stressful,
            Adverse, or traumatic event. Its strange,
            Its almost like the event slows down a bit,
            Calm, cool, no thought of fear, yup.
            Maybe some people are just wired that way.

          • It’s almost like, ‘instant clarity’ when something happens. Your senses seem to be enhanced. You are drawn to it because of curiosity. The lack of fear may be due to the adrenaline being administered in controlled amounts.
            When the event is over, and everything is somewhat back-to-normal, you may experience some fear and slight to heavy withdrawal symptoms of the adrenaline, such as fatigue, headache, irritability, etc.
            If alone, we tend to investigate (…’Drawn to the Flame’…). If with others, we tend to protect (…’Escape & Evade’ or ‘Protect the Castle’…)

            • Instant Clarity. Nailed it.

              Example: I was sitting in a hamburger joint with two of my friends a few years ago. One friend choked on a fry. I mean could not breath, stuck in his throat kind of choked. He banged on the table. I remember the look on his face. Pure unadulterated terror. My other friend was absolutely terrified. Me? Nah. I quickly said, “Everybody relax. I got this. Ben, don’t struggle. You’re gonna be fine.” I moved behind him, did an easy hymlick. Didn’t work. I did it again harder. I still remember seeing the fry riccochet off the plate and bounce off the window and hit the floor.

              2 minutes after it was over both of those guys were like, “THAT WAS AMAZING! HOW CAN YOU DO THAT?” I became just a little shaky after it was all over, but when the chips were down, I did what needed to be done without hesitation and without fear and not a single thought of terror or confusion.

              Am I one of those guys that will run into a burning building and drag people out without hesitation? I think I am. I can see myself in a mass shooting. I can see myself getting riddled with bullets right before I break the guys neck and shove his gun sideways up an important exit then collapsing later from blood loss as they’re picking bullets out of me.

              Don’t congratulate me. Don’t envy me. Its nothing I did. Its nothing I’ve earned. Its just how I’m wired.

              I really think its a fatalistic attitude. When my friend Ben choked, I think my mind already had him in the morgue so anything I did was a plus. Even if I had failed, he was dead already. I never analyzed that before. Now I see.

        • You would think that someone could have hit him with their purse.

      7. The problem is, of course, the majority of the population are clueless as crap– even you people– who should be awake!!– even you fell for this bull crap story!

        The EU is collapsing– central banks collapsing/on the verge of collapse. England is doing a “brexit”, and after UK, the rest of European countries will follow suit… their game plan is falling apart… even gold companies know something is up and are holding on to the gold!! After the EU, the US will collapse. The elites know this and that is why they are coming for your guns– mob control!!

      8. If true, this is a major story. If this is true, you can also be utterly certain that this will be 100% suppressed and or spun by the leftist media. The truth is, gay on gay crime is as endemic as it is gruesome. I can tell you this: my neighbor, a close personal friend and long-time IL. state trooper, now retired, told me specifically that they used to have specific training on how to investigate gay on gay crime, as it was particularly gruesome, way past the “ordinary” killings. Undoubtedly, the thought police have eliminate this by now. While I will not reveal his name, I can send details on exactly what he told me if anyone is interested.

        The ex-wife of Orlando mass killer Omar Mateen claimed Monday that she believed he was homosexual — as it was revealed that he frequented the gay nightclub where he staged the nation’s worst massacre in modern times… Sitora Yusufiy, who was married to Mateen in 2009 for three months, made the shocking claim on Brazilian television station SBT Brazil. Her fiancé, Marco Dias, speaking in Portuguese on her behalf, said Yusufiy believed that Mateen had “gay tendencies” and that his father had called him gay in front of her. Dias also claimed “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.”

      9. What I would do is simple. I’ve game planned about 30 different scenarios. This is all assuming I’m not the first one shot of course. 1. Hear gunfire, instantly take defensive position to ascertain threat. 2. Once threat identified, if at all possible, move safely towards threat. 3. Fire and don’t stop firing until positive that threat is negated.
        P.S. I always have my Glock on my person.
        P.P.S. Please Muslim scum, come try this in Alaska. We know how to deal with you.

        • I’ve mentally prepared myself to the fact if I am involved in a active shooter situation, I’m going to die.
          I will die because I will do whatever I need to do to save those I love.
          I’ve even prepared what I will say when the end approaches, ‘ time to die’.
          I say that because I either the goat lovin turd is gonna meet his 72 homo lovers or I am gonna die for a just cause

          • While,I wait for shit to find me, I try to enjoy life to the fullest

      10. What I would do is simple. I’ve game planned about 30 different scenarios. This is all assuming I’m not the first one shot of course. 1. Hear gunfire, instantly take defensive position to ascertain threat. 2. Once threat identified, if at all possible, move safely towards threat. 3. Fire and don’t stop firing until positive that threat is negated.
        P.S. I always have my Glock on my person.
        P.P.S. Please Muslim scum, come try this in Alaska. We know how to deal with you.

      11. Orlando was not the largest mass murder in the U.S., as our feckless leftist media erroneously reported.

        THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

        Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

        The Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

        Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Yes, non-violence is the way forward. But without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families – and self-defense is NOT violence.

        • Once again, government lied. Thanks, Test, for setting the record straight in a very dramatic way that proves:

          A) Once your guns are confiscated, the confiscators will kill you.

          B) Government has three functions, all three of which were well executed at Wounded Knee. Just for a review they are:

          Lie: “We are taking your guns for your own safety and protection.”

          Steal: They took their guns.

          Murder: Yeah. Governments seem to be exceedingly good at this. First foreigners and then their own. The 297 were not the first bunch, nor the last.

        • Yes. It sickens me what our gov did to the Indians!!! Good example you gave!

          • In my opinion, Custer got what was coming to him.

      12. Why do we keep insisting on calling an Islamic terror attack a “mass shooting”?

        Call it what it is, they’re not the same and need to be dealt with differently.

        But the most important thing to do is stay out of gun free zones where a crowd is gathered in the first place.

        • Because its difficult to pass lie based anti-gun legislation because a terror attack.

        • Oh, and BTW, if I’m there, its not a Gun Free Zone unless there is a pat down and a metal detector. Oh, wait, I won’t go there.

          .380 in the pocket. (2 seconds)
          Full sized 9mm in the console. (15 seconds)
          AR15 or Mini14 in a bag behind the seat. (30 seconds)

          When seconds count I don’t like big numbers.

      13. I agree the system is falling apart and the elite know it. The time span for the BS they roll it to explain events to the sheeple is shrinking as every lie is blown away by events. They can’t hold together a narrative for very long anymore.

        Regarding toughening up the population, I have always supported military service for everyone for a number of reasons. It is the best way to create resilient citizens: there isn’t a single thing that does it as well as the military does (they kind of wrote the book on resilience in the face of horror).

        Yet, we have more and more calls for turning people into simpering wimps crying out for ‘safe spaces’ that will never exist.

        People need to be exposed at a young age to the realities of the world. Not playing video games and watching gore on YouTube but being put into challenging situations first hand. Basically, two years of military service or two years overseas or working in a hospital or care home. No outs. We need better people in the population.

        • FT

          People going to running amuck like a plague of rats.

        • Frank,fuck the military being mandatory until we stop having wars of profit,only to defend the US and perhaps the rest of North America.I would push for training in emt/para ect. in high schools/gun clubs in schools/a armed citizenry that would make a standard invasion a huge undertaking for a foreign army,tough to stop the missiles/poxes/lasers from satellites ect.

          I have never been convinced of “forced servitude’,that said,lets make it available and such for folks who want to be stronger and help the country at same time.

          • I am 100% with you on all the wars for profit. But a draft of ALL males with NO deferments has one huge benefit. Loved ones of the elites and ‘beautiful people’ will come home in body bags. They will lose their taste for war.

      14. For me if it is only one, Front sight front sight front sight. Squeeze, Breath,

        If it is two take the one out with the shotgun or rifle first. using the above. Then take out the other with the pistol. Or take out the closes one first then take out the other one.

        Always Double Tap!

        When it is over don’t say any thing until your attorney is with you!!!!!!!!!!!


        • double tap…..there’s a LOT of lessons to be learned in “zombieland”!

          • “B”
            You know that was the best damn Zombie movie ever.
            After I typed this I thought of Zombieland.


      15. We all need to carry our personal firearms and that is that! fuck the gov’t, they are NOT doing a god damned thing for us. If we all carry, there is no possible way they can nor will lock us all up, there is no way possible for that shit to happen. the gov’t has made us true, absolute victims and that is plain bullshit nonsense!!

        • Amen to that! And if I could make a suggestion: OPEN CARRY. True, the 2nd Amendment supports open carry, but open carry supports the 2nd Amendment. Much different.

      16. Now we have a derange homosexual with Radical Islamic behavior, shooting up a gay bar.

        Can’t wait to see what the summer has in store for us.

        • lol !

      17. Sarge, good advice, but I would mention you have to look at your front sight through your rear sight. Same rule applies for handgun, rifle, and shotgun. If you have a scope on your rifle or shotgun, that’s even better.

        • bh…after you have been shooting for too many years… an average of 300 rounds per month…you no longer see the rear sight, you know exactly where it is.

          • Oldman, I find the sights in my sleep. Been handling weapons since I was a teenager. Damn good point.

      18. We should be fighting to overturn the legislation of 1965 which is why this Afganistani was here to begin with.

        Buy more guns and practice shooting. Take a course in martial arts and/or boxing. Learn how to both use a knife for protection and how to protect yourself from an assault with a knife. These Arabs (M.E. Men) are training to jump you with some twine and strangle you. Two can play that game. Carry twine, too. It’s still legal. Do squats for a sexy ass, and so your legs are strong for sprinting. Lift and carry something heavy like bags of beans or bags of potatoes. Start lite, say ten pounds and increase. Go for both weight and insurance. Grandkids can be used. They make exercising a fun game. Try carrying someone in your arms and try piggyback. Go for walks and sprint using maximum exertion. You will shed excess weight, strengthen your heart, and make it possible to run if you need to. Work in your garden outdoors from sunrise to around 10 or 11am, roughly 5 hours. Take a siesta and get out of the harsh sunlight. Return for a few more hours before sunset. Sunlight gives you VitaminD (actually a hormone). VitD builds your immune system which in turn makes you strong. Drink water with lemon every morning. VitC eat the peel too. Even the seeds. Make sure you plant a lemon tree. Be careful where you place it. Lemon trees have long thorns. Eat blueberries every day for eye and brain health. Limit sugar to six tea spoons for women, and for men, nine. Never consume aspartame. Practice tumbling and doing cartwheels with your kids. If you are pushed over you can escape doing cartwheels. And it’s fun. If someone grabs you by the wrist, twist and pull away away where his thumb is. If you are choked or strangled from behind, stomp on his arch of his foot and then elbow and run. Or if you are so inclined, stay and fight. Women should run, unless you are wonder woman. Then gouge his eyes and kickass and/or fire at will. Then cut off his…

        • First sentence says it all.

      19. Where are the bodies? Is there any footage of the city morgue accepting bodies?
        Is there any footage from anyone at the club as the alleged shooting was occurring? At Bataclan there was, so why not here?

        Live Free or Die…get ready for BOHICA!

        • With 300 people in the club you would think someone would have had their cell taking videos huh? By now the videos would be all over Utube.

      20. Always be aware of your surroundings.
        Know where the nearest exit is, and make sure you have a path to get there.
        Don’t allow yourself to get out of control drunk unless you are in a safe environment.
        Conceal carry when and where you can.
        Never leave home without a method of self defense.
        If you cant carry a gun, carry a knife. If you cant carry a knife, carry a cane. Always have access to a method of self defense.
        Flee if you can, barricade yourself if you can’t flee, and if you are faced with an immanent threat YOU MUST FIGHT. Even a guy with a gun can’t take on a group – I do agree that if you find yourself in one of these situations, you have to accept that you are dead anyway.

      21. A libs answer is to play dead. If your in a gay club blow him a kiss and say hey sailor. Fuck that let the bodies hit the floor. Just enjoy the little time you have left with your family people. Go camping and teach your kids to light fire with sticks. Break out a Dutch oven and cook on the fire the kids lit. Teach them how to cook with it. Build a shelter dig some fighting positions. Leave the tablets behind. Play man hunt in the woods with the kids. This will teach them how not to get caught. Practice guerrilla tactics. Get everyone in your family into shape. Train them to work together like a squad of fighters. Don’t go to gay clubs.

        • Libs playing dead won’t work. I heard on the radio that the shooter went up to the bodies on the floor and shot them again to make sure they were dead !!! One of the witnesses told that on the radio. I also heard shooter went into the bathroom , saw some black guys and said, “you’re black?” They said yes, and he said, “I have no issue with blacks.” What i heard on radio one of the witnesses said. True? Who knows. Everything we hear is a lie sometimes.

      22. If the shootings happened at closing around 2 am, why did the police wait hours before attempting to enter the nightclub, allowing those shot to bleed out. Were they afraid of possible Aids infected blood? This event and the law enforcement actions seemed to have been pre scripted to me.

      23. Texas… I mean come on guys. What a let down. All y’all just ran and hid???? You’re all carrying that gun that the Joker had in the Michael Keaton Batman and you run and hide???

      24. Shoot back… If I can’t carry my weapon, I don’t need patronize what ever place that happens to be. Not only that but if you patronize an anti-gun establishment, city or state you are indirectly funding the people who would take your second amendments rights.

        In the Orlando incident I’d rather be judged by 12, then carried by 6!!!! Arm up, train up, your life depends on it.

      25. I am not blaming the victims here. Unless you’ve faced what you had reason to believe was your imminent demise you simply do not know how you will react.

        Yes I do because I was asleep sitting a house while the owner was very obviously on vacation and some asshole tried to break in.

        I dunno about you but I shat my pants. It’s not like I’m combat trained in the least.

        To say nothing of the fact that if you shoot someone you might as well do yourself next here in Commiefornia.

        Laid there paralyzed for a full thirty seconds aka eternity… then got up real quiet, got near the door to the bedroom which was closed… racked my slide real loud and came out low immediately then walked really fast for the front door and out, swiveling back to walk backwards about once or so. It was a short run.

        Turns out he heard the rack and went to hide in the bushes in the back yard.

        Against a DETERMINED opponent? I would have died. Gave away my position. Like an elephant. Stepping on broken twigs. While running down the street on fire and yelling at the top of its lungs.

      26. How to prevent an active shooter?
        Make sure that Hillary Clinton never gets elected president for starters…

      27. Something I am trying to learn, with some success, is knife throwing. I used to throw darts on many leagues back in the day, and recently decided to see if I could still hit what I aim at, with something heavier than a dart. I am pleased that my hand – eye coordination is still on the “mark” and I come within a few inches from the center of an average dart board at a distance of 6 ft. Silent, deadly, and unexpected. I like that.

      28. Capt. Ronald Speirs: What’s your name, trooper?
        Pvt. Albert Blithe: Blithe, sir. Albert Blithe.
        Capt. Ronald Speirs: You know why you hid in that ditch, Blithe?
        Pvt. Albert Blithe: I was scared.
        Capt. Ronald Speirs: We’re all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there’s still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you’re already dead, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll be able to function as a soldier’s supposed to function. Without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends on it.

        From “Band of Brothers” Carentan

        • I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to “Wild Bill” Gardinere at a gun show in Pa a few years back. He said the actor that portrayed him had him down pat. He used to sit at a table with his daughter or daughter in law and sign and sell pictures of himself. It was the best $25 I ever spent.

          Befriend a WWII vet, they’re not going to be around much longer.

      29. Look and point behind them and when they turn around KILL THEM!

      30. The only groups of people that i see pointing guns in peoples faces en-mass are the pigs who call themselves cops as more and more people start to protest.

        These tax enforcement officers are worse than Hitlers SS-Guards and it is they you need to defend yourselves against and not your Homo terrorist that seem to be queer himself according to reports if any thing we are hearing is true.

      31. Everyone should Conceal Carry, it’s your Constitutional right.
        They will use this shooting as an excuse for Gun Confiscation.

      32. I wish there was peace, and love everywhere.
        But there seems that on this planet it will never happen.

      33. I’m seeing on TV or have read as I forget the forum that the exit doors from the Orlando gay club were locked with only the entrance door open. If this true why is this not an issue?

      34. How many people have to die before we DO blame the victims? They were the only ones who could have prevented their deaths. They died because they chose to be disarmed. Period.

        Folks, arm yourselves and refuse to patronize any business or public event that require you to disarm.

      35. Re. the 2nd Amendment. Read it again. The 2nd Amendment does NOT GIVE us the right to bear arms. It simply DOCUMENTS that right granted by our Creator. The traitors’ threats to destroy the 2nd Amendment doesn’t mean jack. We have the right to bear arms with or without it. Either way my answer is the same. Molon Labe! You government pukes better be prepared to die because I am.

        Required reading for anyone thinking our situation is hopeless:

      36. More than 50 dead? Only one shooter? And the guy was not even a special forces professional, but a flaky security guard?! (Who just happened to be on all the National Security radar screens, like so many others now-proven patsies.) Sorry, MSM, that doesn’t pass the smell test.

        It’s funny how almost all “Muslim terrorists” are either ridiculously ultra-competent supermen able to take down skyscrapers and blow up the Pentagon using a couple of package-openers as their only weapons; kill ludicrously large numbers of people in mass shootings without any military training; or otherwise perform amazing feats of mass carnage … or else they are the world’s LEAST competent destruction-wreakers, dufuses who can’t get a match lit to try to blow up their own shoe, or who pack their underwear with sterno camping fuel and no detonator and somehow expect their crotch to explode.

      37. “You must be prepared on a mental basis to adopt the “I’m dead” belief and position in mind, body and soul” ?????
        I understand the accept death philosophy as a part of the normal SF training. But, since the word soul is included here, and since if you believe in such it is eternal and never perishes,then why in the world would you ever adopt the ‘I’m already dead’ philosophy?
        Why would you not think the exact polar opposite of that; the ‘since my soul is immortal and just goes around and around the karmic wheel, from visible tangible body, to invisible energy being, and back to a body again, then there is NEVER anything to fear, since the worst that can happen to me is I just go back home for a while?
        Isn’t THIS much better in all ways? To stress the positive instead of the negative?

      38. I have a concealed carry permit and shooter’s insurance and I carry every time I leave the house. I do not choose to go to crowded entertainment events such as concerts and parades, especially those places where the crowds are consuming alcohol. Those kinds of events are natural targets for terrorists or drunken brawls/riots. I do not give my business to any civilian/commercial venue that posts a “no firearms” sign at its front door — they don’t deserve my patronage. I make sure I limit my time inside banks, post offices, public libraries, court houses or any other building where fire arms are always prohibited but where I need to conduct business (my armed husband waits nearby and guards my firearm until I am back outside to re-arm). That said, anyone who brandishes what looks like a firearm in my presence and expresses intent to rob, take hostages, kill for Allah, or any other intent to cause mayhem is going to draw my immediate fire. I don’t care if he is “just kidding.” I will aim center mass and fire as many shots as it takes to put him down and then finish him off with a round to the head just in case he’s wearing body armor. I’ll take my chances in court afterward.

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