Stunning Chart: Today’s Stock Market is Eerily Reminiscent of 1929…

by | Dec 4, 2013 | Headline News | 260 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    With the Holiday shopping season off to a slow start according to preliminary retail sales numbers and with the stock market sitting near all time highs, one can’t help but wonder what will happen when investors realize the economy isn’t really doing as well as we’ve been told by the experts.

    The evidence suggests that we can expect devastating global economic changes in 2014 as a result of our national debt, further impoverishment of the working class, and massive new tax burdens resulting from President Obama’s health care legislation. The fundamentals, by most accounts, are indicative of an economy on the cusp of a total detonation within the next year.

    Now, with the prospect of an abysmal shopping season for retailers because of tapped out consumers, the first quarter of 2014 could cause serious problems in financial markets as a result of lackluster performance in corporate earnings.

    What’s more, the trajectory of our stock markets over the last eighteen months has been eerily reminiscent of markets back in 1929, right before the crash that led to a decade’s long depression in America.

    Ken Jorgustin of Modern Survival Blog writes:

    Is there a major financial crash in our near future? You must check out this stunning analogy between the current day Dow Jones Industrial Index compared with the time period 1928-1929 leading up to the memorable stock market crash…

    The pattern of stock price movements looks VERY close to the lead-up to the 1929 top.

    A lead-up to just any old top is one thing, but the 1929 top was followed by a memorable decline, which makes it all the more worthy of our attention…

    Ken stops short of predicting that stock markets will do the same thing this January as they did in 1929, but take a look at this amazing comparison and decide for yourself if it’s possible that this whole thing will break wide open on or around January 14th of 2014:

    Chart by McClellan Financial Publications via Modern Survival Blog

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      1. Dear Mac Slavo. I am an attorney. Should you desire I will be happy to represent you in an action legally changing your name to Chicken Little.

        • Alphonse.

          See you in the trenches.

          • You misspelled ‘FEMA Camp.’

            • Walt: I didn’t want you to miss my response about detroit, so I re-posted it here.

              Walt: Russia survived the Soviet Union. Germany survived the Nazi’s. America will survive the New World Order. How much pain they inflict upon US depends upon the political activism of the American people; which is why I encourage US to engage.

              The solution is simple.

              Pass legislation that requires the FED to buy back much of that debt every year, year after year. Then retire that debt as it is repurchased. That happens anyway as debt matures, or the FED calls the debt and refinances that debt at a lower rate. The lower rate has allowed the FED to maintain the ratio while increasing the amount of debt. That is happening now and has been occurring for some time.

              Understand Walt, that much of the “debt” is necessary for commerce. Corporations must have a ready and fungible instrument to park their excess cash. Corporations have an enormous amount of excess cash. They park that cash in US Treasuries. The aggregate numbers of corporate cash are staggering which is why people like you cannot grasp the bigger picture.

              I know this will disappoint you Walt, but the world is NOT moving away from the dollar, as 81% of all commercial transactions globally were settled in dollars in October. Historically, the range has been 55 to 65%. If the October numbers are to be believed, the world is moving to the dollar not away from it.

              I agree. The rate of debt HAS been unsustainable. That corner has been turned, at least for now. Historically the Debt/GDP ratio has been as high as 125%. That ratio is cyclical. I believe it is about 105% now and trending down with the “sequester”.

              So the debt is manageable and they will be able to “prop it up” for quite some time. While I rail against the FED, want to kill it, and hang the Gangster Banksters; the mechanisms of the system which have been honed over the last hundred years is nothing short of amazing.

              It is the perfect Ponzi scheme because the FED has the ability to add and subtract dollars from the system when an investor wants their money back, or wants to buy some Bonds.

              The FED covertly loaned 16 trillion dollars to all of the major corporations in the world after the crash in 2008 and it didn’t make a dent in the system, or create the much vaunted “hyper-inflation” everyone whines about. You, like many others without a true understanding of its mechanisms, underestimate its capabilities.

              That is not to say that I like a cabal of Private Bankers controlling and using OUR money for their profit, but I do recognize the beauty of the system; and believe it would be more beautiful without the FED.

              Even without the FED, the mechanisms of the system are necessary for global commerce, and I would rather that OUR private bankers control OUR money than have it managed by the IMF, Europeans, the UN, or the Chinese. Someone will manage it Walt, be careful for what you wish.

              Yes, WE will see more Detroit’s. Detroit does not represent chaos. It represents a planned demolition. Stick your head up my ass Walt, and you will see the bigger picture.

              Engage. 🙂

              • Durango Kid:

                I would like you to go to the website:

                reality blogger dot detroit the latest bankruptcy LIE

                After you have read that article and the comments below it please come back here and let me know what you thought about the article.

                Those criminals in detroit are cooking the books. They are adding the total of retirement and pension funds that they owe for the next umpteen years rather than just for the year 2013; but they are only including the revenue due for the year 2013. All fed, state, and city governments are doing the same to make their citizens accept losing reirement funds,

                We should all look into the CAFR accounting for our government entities. One poster here on shtf said he had done an article on CAFR accounting and he felt he was being surveiled.

                In the comments section on the link I have ask you to go to a political figure who was a candidate for the president of the US said he knew about the CAFR accounting scheme but would not broadcast it out of fear for the safety of his family!

                I look forward to your comments….


                • Back in 1929 there was 2 billion people on Earth, now there is 7+ billion all competing for the resources that have become much less.

                  Back in 1929 there was still an excellent base of farms and food production that was natural, none of this GMO crap, and much more to go around.

                  Back in 1929 you did not have Fukushima, Deepwater Horizon, and the countless other man made toxins dumped into our food supplies.

                  Basck in 1929 humans did not have the A-bomb and H-bombs in mass that can level human civilization in a moment’s notice when one of these assholes decides to push the nuclear button, football, or whatever launches the missiles.

                  Back in 1929 precious metals and the world dollars around the world had something to back them up.

                  Back in 1929 people were a hardy stock that could take hardships in stride and recover from and make their lives better. In other words people that were tough and got tougher.

                  Back in 1929 there was no real take away of people’s rights to defend themselves.

                  Back in 1929 people had common sense and understood how important it was to stock up and keep a good pantry of food fro the winter.

                  I could go on and on, but everyone gets the point. The people back in 1929 could recover from a SHTF event. Now they have had “pussification” hit them and can’t even handle a black out of power without completing falling apart. Now the masses can’t even figure out how to cook their own meals unless it comes out of a wrapper and has microwave instructions on it. Some can’t even figure this out and depend on someone else serving their meals for them. Talk about an infant bird completely dependent on being feed reguritated food to live.

                  Let’s face it, a 1929 crash would destroy most of the people out there. Even those in cities back in 1929 could find something in the form of food in soup lines or in the countryside. Now mass starvation is extremely probable. Just look again at those fat slobs walking around after hurricane Katrina and taking dumps everywhere in the Superdome where it was convenient. A Philippine type hurricane now in New Orleans would completely submerge the whole city and kill 100,000 or more that are totally ill prepared and totally depend on Mr. Government. Back in 1929, even without modern weather forecasting a fraction of that would perish.

                  In 1929 a stock market crash was recoverable. In 2013, 2014, or whenever a stock crash or whatever else will bring most people right to their knees fast and hard. People will wimp out and go looking for help during the first few hours of the breakdown of society which will be swift and KO’d in the first round.

                  This is the whole problem whether you are talking about a stock crash or other SHTF, forget about the mega SHTF event(s), the complete vulnerability of such events to totally F so many lives and literally kill people in the hoards. That is the whopping problem that NO ONE can deny and the frighteing equation of all of this, DEATH and lots of it.

                  • If I may add in 1929 we didnt have swarms,droves and hoards of welfare people collecting, EBT, Welfare, SNAP, WIC checks,TANF, AFDC,Section 8 housing,Medicade, Medicare, Earned Income Credit,…………………….

                  • I figurede the truck story would of gone on for at least 500 plus comments.

                    So many upset doomers today. And I was hoping to have an enjoyable reading of some of the crazies statements ever. I feel cheated.

                  • Be Informed

                    Every major event has been carefully orchestrated,planned, and executed…

                    When Cromwell and Napoleon were at Waterloo,Rothschild sent emissaries to the battle field..when they returned , they informed Rothschild that Cromwell was winning..Rothschild went to the London exchange and reported that Napoleon was winning..subsequent crash and he bought up all the devalued shares..

                    This has been repeated throughout modern (and ancient) times.

                    The crash of 29 was orchestrated as well..I have this on good authority..not conjecture..Be it a crash today or will be when it’s expedient for those in control..and the collateral damage be damned…

                    We all are cannon fodder to them..period.

                    Are now..and always have been for thousands of years.

                    Best bet is to understand the game and prepare accordingly..

                    DK suggested having the fed mandated? are you serious?

                    These bastards loaned out trillions yet reported an 850 billion bailout til an audit revealed otherwise..

                    The repercussions…?


                    They are the law…


                  • @ possee. Natural disasters such as the Sun belching up a large X-40 or X50 flare, earthquakes, tsunamis, supervolcanic activity, gamma ray pulse, comet or asteroid impact, natural super plague from nature, or whatever else Morth Nature comes up is something that humans have no control over. This is something that is not planned and something the the prepper/survivalist including the elitists have no control over. They MIGHT have some degree of ability to help fuel or steer hurricanes, but the amount of energy to do this is enormous. Almost all natural disasters we all are at the mercy of.

                    There is many myths out there about humans being able to create tsunamis, ocean wide, using underwater nukes. While this is possible on a localized very narrow scope, creating a tsunami over an ocean such as the Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, Arctic oceans require the energy of tens of thousands of 1 mega ton nukes. This sounds good in science fiction but lacks the shear size necessary to bring this about. Like the Canary Islands myth, it takes a mass amount of energy to move a mass of water a certain distance and heighth.

                    Humans are centuries or millenniums away from even beginning to control nature. Even that Hadron collidor in Switzerland they are clueless what they are doing. They might accidentally open a mini black hole looking for a way to open some portal to another dimension or something.

                    What is really hilarious is the shock and awe of these elitists when the planet, Sun, solar system, Mother Nature shows them just how powerless and f’en tiny and insignificant like ticks they really are against it.

                    This is why I so stress to everyone to expect the unexpected in regards to nature, be as ready as possible and always try to prepare for the worst. When the less than worst occurs you will be ready.

                  • Be Informed;

                    Couldn’t agree more. IF an event does take place; its going to get really ugly FAST.

                  • @Bi
                    We dont even need a total SHTF event to screw things up,
                    An extremely cold and slightly longer winter followed by an extremely wet spring and summer should be enough to cause problems

                  • Maybe there’s more to the Big Day of the Crash than just the crash.. Maybe other events or a combination of..? Why not? If their gonna go.. Their gonna go big.. Look to see who’s around for the show.. Look to see them gone or on vacation in DC..? I wouldn’t be there if I knew what was going on or what was about to happen.. People might get mad and bring torches and pitchforks.. The Key word is “Organization”.. There is None.. Otherwise just pockets of resistance.. They know this.. And they’ll let you all starve, freeze or shoot yourselves over the last box of Captain Crunch at you local 711.. Love listening to the radio show economist as if they hold the strings to the planet.. They can’t find the weed wacker in the garage.. Famous last words.
                    Lots of good comments though. But are you ready for the UN troops? During martial law .. I mean they’ll be needed or called upon to assist us? Assist the National Guard to restore order “If” they haven’t been deployed some where, or your local police department that they will have little use for after mop up operations are over.. And then there’s always the gophers and road mind checkers.. Those are the ones that were given free food and shelter for their families if they bring their weapons in and to help round up dissidents. They’ll be out in front of the UN Humvee’s and the ones knocking on doors and going in first. Bet they might even get a UN cool looking hat.. I mean if I was a UN troop that sounds good to me.. Let them do it first.. Give them another box meal. Then when their not needed any longer they’ll go the way of the local police officer or the out numbered Guards or Reservist that are left.

                    Yep sounds like fun..

                    Stock Market.. I hope thats all it is..

                • Granny. Once they have our money their intention is/has always been to NEVER give it back.

                  Just like everything else, the plan has always been to promote the American dream while stealing the fruits of our labor, most productive years of our lives in hopes of gently shoving us into an early grave.

                  I exaggerated in using the word gently.

                  Everyday the real truth becomes increasing clear.

                • Granny: As a courtesy to you, I went to the website and read the article. I have no problem with it or comments about it. It is an accurate analysis of the situation.

                  California was “outed” in a similar fashion by Washington’s Blog a couple of months ago; and now suddenly, California is in the “black”. Accounting is as creative an endeavor as painting or sculpture and I have stated that before.

                  I think my description of Detroit as a “controlled demolition” is quite accurate. 🙂

                  As for the intimidation of a presidential candidate; this represents the folly of individuals seeking the presidency as a third party candidate without a viable third party. That is an ego trip, plain and simple.

                  It is also why I have encouraged everyone to get politically active and establish a Party of New Patriots to pursue Congressional seats. 100 million American gun owners hold the future of America in their hands. !00 million American gun owners donating $100 each could challenge the status quo without firing a shot. Having said that, understand that WE are all Seal Team America.

                  Do you think anyone would challenge a Third Party Presidential candidate supported by 100 million gun owners? I don’t think so. I think the NWO would quietly shrink back into the shadows at that point for fear of exposing themselves to an enraged and engaged electorate.

                  ENGAGE!!! 🙂

                  • Yo mama: Yes create the money out of thin air to buy the debt back, say a trillion dollars a year while maintaining current spending levels, and then withdraw money from the system by raising reserve requirements and bad debt.

                    QE to Infinity is basically that process.

                    The FED created 16 trillion new dollars after the crash in 2008/2009 without any meaningful effect upon inflation; while destroying dollars through foreclosure and raising reserve requirements.

                    How is it that YOU do not recognize that? Your ignorance must be bliss. LMAO! 🙂

                  • The durango kidd says:

                    “Yes create the money out of thin air to buy the debt back, say a trillion dollars a year while maintaining current spending levels.”

                    Q: So why is the debt increasing DK (don’t insult me by saying its not)?

                    “The FED created 16 trillion new dollars after the crash in 2008/2009 without any meaningful effect upon inflation.”

                    That’s correct. But the reason there is no “meaningful effect upon inflation (at this point),” is because the Fed is PAYING the banks NOT to circulate the “new dollars,” but to hold them as “RESERVES.”

                    To summarize:

                    The Fed creates money out of thin air (which taxpayers are on the hook for), it then gives it to the banks, and says; “Don’t loan this money out!” It will cause price inflation if you do. Hold it as “reserves,” and we’ll get the taxpayers (suckers) to pay you interest on it.

                    Only a fool thinks this party will continue on without the lights coming up.

                    But in the meantime… USA… USA… USA.

              • The Establishment Kidd says:

                “Pass legislation that requires the FED to buy back much of that debt every year, year after year.”

                “Buy back?“ With what? Money created out of thin air?

                You keep saying “Kill the Fed.” So which is it? “Kill the Fed?” or a legislative fix. I wish you would get your story straight!

                “… the world is NOT moving away from the dollar, as 81% of all commercial transactions globally were settled in dollars in October.”

                There is ONLY one reason for this, and it has NOTHING to do with the virtues or strength of the dollar. It’s called the threat of violence! If a country tries to settle payments (think oil) in anything other than the paper dollar, the Banksters (the real owners of this country), will use the American military to bomb, and kill them. This of course is done under the guise of “The War on Terror,” and “spreading democracy.” It’s that simple.

                Legal tender laws make criminals out of ordinary Americans who would seek to “settle payments” in anything other than government (the system) “money.”

                “the mechanisms of the system which have been honed over the last hundred years is nothing short of amazing.”

                “Amazing???” Amazing for whom DK? The Banksters, yes; the State they control, yes; the Empire, yes; the Military/Security/Police State Corporate Complex, yes… the American People, NO. Strike that… HELL NO! But you, being what you are: An Establishment apologist… you think it, “nothing short of amazing.”

                “That is not to say that I like a cabal of Private Bankers controlling and using OUR money for their profit, but I do recognize the beauty of the system; and believe it would be more beautiful without the FED.”

                The problem is not one of “a cabal of Private Bankers controlling and using OUR money for their profit.“ The problem is Central Banking itself! If you get rid of the Fed and Central Banking, you dispose of the “system.” If you keep the “beauty of the system,” you keep the Fed and Central Banking.

                So which is it DK? Do you support the “system,” or not? That’s probably a moot question, as I know the answer.

                “the mechanisms of the system are necessary.”

                Just as a cancer eventually kills a body; so too will “the mechanisms of the system” eventually kill this country.

              • Russia survived….Germany survived….heck….even France survived. And for that matter….Rome survived (It’s still there last time I checked the map)

                What didn’t survive are the MILLIONS of people who had the unfortunate luck of living in those countries when they went through what you refer to as “changes”. You speak of those situations as if those people were just some statistic.

                Detroit is doubtless a “Planned demolition”. But for the people who suffer as the result of it…it’s SHTF.

                You are what I commonly refer to as an educated idiot.

                No….we didn’t experience hyper-inflation after the Fed pumped all that money into the system. But the dollar is still the world’s reserve currency. When it stops being the world’s reserve currency, the dollar’s true value will be revealed and we’ll have it in spades. Again….you provide no historical evidence of any country that created as much fiat money as we have, at the rate that we have, that did NOT experience hyper-inflation at some point that ultimately resulted in the death of that monetary system. There is nothing “beautiful” about this monetary system. It is a corrupt, evil, criminal cabal of depraved sociopaths who use their power to destroy the lives of countless innocents. It takes a pretty perverted mind to describe it as beautiful.

                If the world is moving toward the dollar, it’s only because it’s the best looking horse in the glue factory. Virtually ALL of the world’s currencies at this time are fiat. And that’s why what is going to happen is going to be global in its scope. And yes…it is PLANNED…something that many of us have said here for a long time. And the engineered collapse is simply part of the strategy of the NWO to further strengthen their hold on power. But you have some sort of Polly-Anna-ish idead that somehow the dollar will be what the world will continue to turn to. You base that upon WHAT exactly? That we WANT it to be that way? You think we’ll be able to rattle our sabers again and get the world to fall into line? This isn’t post WWII when we were the only country in the world with an intact infrastructure, and could call the shots.

                You describe our monetary system as a Ponzi scheme. The nature of any Ponzi scheme is that eventually it collapses. It ALWAYS collapses. And yet you speak as if it can go on in perpetuity. Again….it remains propped up because the dollar is the world’s reserve currency. EVERYTHING depends upon that. Lose that status and the whole thing WILL collapse. Oh…..people will still get their money….it just won’t be worth anything. (That’s hyper-inflation by the way in case you can’t figure it out)

                Again….your normalcy bias is on full display…”It hasn’t happened here, so it CAN’T happen here.

                What utter stupidity.

                You state that the debt is going down because of the sequester. What a bunch statistical nonsense. As Mark Twain said, “There are lies, damn lies and statistics.” If the debt “appears” manageable, it is only because interest rates have remained low (again a function of the Fed). When (Not if) the dollar loses reserve status, interest rates on the debt are going sky-rocket. What do you think will happen with the debt then, bright boy?

                I’m so sick of your “engage” BS. It’s meaningless drivel.

                • Frankly, his comments are interesting.

                  The fact that he had to go to the top of the page and make his comment to you was…

                  As if the comment was way to fucking important for all to see than to post it where it made any sense.

                  I’m all for engaging these bastards and sending back to hell on fire with a red hot poker.

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

                  • The bottom line is, we know TPTB want to take our wealth and then they want us dead. Everything after that is nothing more than fluff.

                  • LMS: I posted as a response in the Detroit commentary, but most had moved on, including Walt, so I re-posted here accordingly.

                    I think it is helpful for everyone here to see another side of the propaganda. Note no one has refuted the numbers that I identified; or the fact that SOME governmental agency is necessary to provide certain financial and investment services to a sophisticated economy.

                    Many rail against the staus quo, as I do, but no one provides a rational solution to the problem as I do. A lot of anti-American sentiment here. It may be useful to consider the messenger as well as their message.

                    ENGAGE MY PEEPS!! AMERICA IS OURS TO WIN AGAIN !!! 🙂

                • Any of these remind you of someone?

                  has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
                  is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
                  believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
                  requires excessive admiration
                  has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
                  is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
                  lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
                  is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
                  shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

                  Symptoms of Narcissistic behavior

                  • The Durango Kidd is an egotistical establishment bootlicker, and government stooge, pretending to be otherwise.

                    Just look at what he posts… it’s more often than not, contrary to the vein of this site.

                    Pro State.
                    Pro Establishment.
                    Pro Central Banking.

                    He’s a shill for the status quo, a Fascist.

                    One of the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto is:

                    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

                    The Federal Reserve, created by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, is a “national bank” and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in this country.

                    In America, circa 2013, no one (save the ignorant, or those who benefit from it), could possibly support central banking and the illegitimate State it feeds.

                  • rusted spur…you’ve pretty much described everyone here at one time or another in their lives…is it DK who you are singling out with your comment?

                    For one, he is a United States Marine. My father was a United States Marine in Korea and commanded a tank division.

                    They can say wtf they want…Semper Fi

                  • lastmanstanding says:
                    Comment ID: 2867485
                    December 5, 2013 at 2:27 pm
                    rusted spur…you’ve pretty much described everyone here at one time or another in their lives…is it DK who you are singling out with your comment?

                    For one, he is a United States Marine. My father was a United States Marine in Korea and commanded a tank division.

                    They can say wtf they want…Semper Fi

                    Being a Marine has nothing to do with it.

                    As an American he has the right to say whatever he wants.

                    Being able to say what you want does not mean you have the right to be heard. And being a Marine does not give anyone any kind of “special” privilege of having their opinion be any more valid than the opinion of anyone else.

                  • Yo Mama; I am Pro America. Not the America of Bush SR, Clinton, Bush jr, or O’bummer. I am pro America of the Founding Fathers. Of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and Jackson.

                    I am a Constitutionalist. I am pro central banking in a modern world with global travel and global commerce. A sophisticated banking and financial system is necessary in a modern world. The Federal Reserve is not necessary. it is a middle man where middle men are not needed.

                    Someday, humans will travel the stars. We made need interplanetary banking at that point.

                    A central clearing house is necessary as are many other of the mechanisms of the Federal Reserve. Someone must provide those services to business and investment. New Rules are required and real oversight necessary by OUR government to serve the American people.

                    You are an anarchist and do not believe in government in any form. Civilization requires some government. American Constitutional government is the best solution.

                    You don’t have any money so you do not need national or international banking. You don’t travel so you do not need a credit card and some entity to regulate the CC industry.

                    You are insignificant to everyone but God. 🙂

                  • The durango kidd says:

                    “I am pro central banking in a modern world with global travel and global commerce.”

                    And there you have it folks… The Durango Kidd has just admitted he’s a Fascist and a Globalist.


                    BTW… The US Constitution does not provide for the creation of a “Central Bank.”

                    As a self proclaimed “Constitutionalist,” I would assume you’d know that. Then again, I’m LMAOFF.

                  • Yo Mama: Article 1 of the US Constitution gives all legislative power to the Congress. In particular it gives Congress the power to create whatever agencies they deem necessary for the general welfare, including one to oversee the coining of money and the printing and regulation of securities of the United States, and the punishment of persons counterfeiting them.

                    Such duties presupposes the creation of an agency to oversee and regulate commerce and banking. Today that agency is called central banking, but the fact remains that someone, or some agency must exercise the mechanisms of the FED to facilitate commerce.

                    It also gives Congress the power to create NSA, NASA, and FEMA. That doesn’t mean that these organizations should be allowed to do whatever they want; but should have prescribed limits to their actions.

                    I know that as an anarchist that you would prefer that all laws and regulations would go away, but civilizations require some measure of uniformity and continuity, prescribed by certain rules and organization, for a functioning society.

                    The American founding documents and the US Constitution are the best manifesto for self determination and self government.

                    Self determination requires a people engaged in their nation’s politics. Politics is the responsibility of FREE men and women.

                    ENGAGE your employees or be enslaved by them, one rule, regulation, or law at a time! 🙂

                • Walt: “What didn’t survive are the MILLIONS of people who had the unfortunate luck of living in those countries when they went through what you refer to as “changes”. You speak of those situations as if those people were just some statistic.”

                  Yes Walt, its true, they are a statistics. There is nothing I can do about the millions who have suffered and died at the hands of tyrannical governments throughout history, except to point out that fact and encourage Patriots to get involved so that WE do not join them.

                  ENGAGE! 🙂

                  • Walt: You said; “Again….you provide no historical evidence of any country that created as much fiat money as we have, at the rate that we have, that did NOT experience hyper-inflation at some point that ultimately resulted in the death of that monetary system.”

                    None of the countries you allude too had currencies that could be construed as a world currency. I rest my case. 🙂

                  • Walt: The US Dollar CAN go on indefinitely within the current system if the PTB want it to go on, and I expect it WILL go on; as least for the duration of OUR lives, because the PTB profit from it. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot? Its THEIR money.

                    In a study conducted by the FED in 2007 it was shown that 90% of the wealth in America was owned by 10% of the population. After the crash, they estimated that the Middle Class (part of the 90%) had lost 40% of their wealth.

                    The PTB have the money now. Most Americans are just surviving from paycheck to paycheck. Which is why these Americans need food stamps, otherwise there would be chaos and blood on the streets.

                    Blood on the streets has a dampening effect upon corporate earnings and the stock market. Its cheaper and more profitable to give the masses food stamps and food banks.

                    I also expect a PM backed dollar, or a digital dollar to be installed at some future point to exercise more control over US; so that none can buy or sell without a positive balance on account. But that is yet many years away.

                    The extent of the control exercised upon Americans will be directly related to the participation, or non participation of Americans in the political process.

                    Politics is the responsibility of FREE men and women. ENGAGE!!! 🙂

                • Walt, I describe our financial system as the PERFECT Ponzi scheme. It is not a run-of-the-mill Ponzi scheme. The difference is that Ponzi schemes collapse when there are no new investors imputing money to pay original investors that exit the investment scheme.

                  The “beauty” of the diabolic Federal Reserve Ponzi scheme is that new money can be created to repay original investors when they exit the system; and original investors keep getting back in after they exit because they have a NEED to get back in.

                  That need is somewhere safe to park their cash and receive a cash return on and of their investment. That need is so compelling that these investors willingly absorb the risk of inflation to do it to maintain their liquidity.

                  ENGAGE!!!! 🙂

              • Whole nations have fallen due to their refusal to accept dollar dominated central banking in recent years, yet like the idea of freedom, now the genie is out the bottle, it won’t get put back in anytime soon.

                If you still believe that the Central Bankers of the Fed etc have the interests of the American people at heart, then I truly do despair of you. They are an international elite, with NO allegiences to any national boundaries whatsoever. In as far as they understand loyalty, it is only to those of their own class.

                Do your research on Central banking, The IMF and the International Bank of Settlements etc please. Once one nation is totally raped and pillaged, they merely move on to the next. They are equal opportunity, as eventually every nation in the global community gets it’s turn with ONE minor exception (Switzerland). The US will have it’s turn, just as Britain & sterling did last century.

                (No the “chosen” nation is NOT Israel, that too is being used to serve a purpose and will be discarded like old trash once it has served it’s purpose as a lightning rod in the ME. This little factoid always makes me chuckle. )

                • It is no coincidence that the countries who are always under attack defy the banksters and refuse their usury. They stand in the way of oil pipelines and corporate takeover of their land and govt. In short, THEY DON’T WANT A CENTRAL BANK TO TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRY.

                  No matter which country you name, that is the case. Virtually everything else going on is just a means to their end. Every WAR, every govt overthrown, every UN agenda…all of it has to do with stripping the people of various countries of their money, land and rights.

                  The USA included.

              • If we retire THE FED itself? we wont have most that debt to repay to begin with.
                The first and best line of activism is to demand the govt print our OWN money- like the Constituion says it must.

              • Maybe the reason that 81% of worldwide transactions in October was in US dollars instead of the usual 55-60% is that people are dumping the US$ as fast as they can.Getting getting some hard assets as long as they can find someone take them

          • History doesn’t repeat. But it does rhyme.

            • and every time it rhymes, the price is higher than the last time!

          • Alphonse, I hate attorneys–
            How about I rearrange your face
            to be looking south while you are
            walking north, Chicken Shit MFer.

          • Come on now this is getting serious. What has Peterson done with Braveheart and Eisenkraut? Something big is going down, I feel it. Maybe they have been hauled off to a FEMA camp and are waiting for us to come to their rescue. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

            • I will pull out my piper cub. Mounting gun as we speack. We must save Bertha. For all mankind.

              • Crap I know he was proud of Bertha. But did he get her ammo. Oh no.

              • FB, do you have a .30 cal mg that I could mount on the top of my Ranger?

                Only other thing that it needs is a heater…it is really cold right now…hmmm…unless you have a streetsweeper just laying around…

                • …and I’ll provide ground support. Kula can check the beaches.

                  I hope all that dinty moore meat-like substance stew didn’t get him…

                • I do have a 30 mach gun. But no side plate. Semi only. But look better then those propane boom guns on top of a duece and half.

                  I think burn out is hitting a lot of the long term posters. When you find out it not happen I g the way you think it cane cause a break down.

                  Survive it death
                  Yes stay engaged
                  Have a drink. When I cane
                  And don’t forget to get laid.

                  What else can we do.

                  Maybe BH and Big E. Are having a secret meeting to bring us all together.

              • If he’s in a FEMA camp who knows where Bertha could be. Or maybe Braveheart and Eisenkraut took off on a vacation together, Kulafarmer if you hear anything let us know. Trekker Out.

            • MT,
              Braveheart is probably preparing for the Massive ice storm that is coming to his area this weekend.
              That region is going to be shellacked FEMA is actually preparing for a severe ice storm.
              If you live in the Kentucky , Tennessee , West Virginia, Western North Carolina , Georgia , Virginia keep tuned to NOAA weather . This could be a severe event Grid down for days senario.
              Prepare accordingly.

              STAY ALERT , PREPARE .


              Semper Fi 8541

              • Guess who on this site has no worries??
                Yep-Kentucky gal here is ready.

                • Ready in Oregon.

              • NightBreaker, Sure FEMA to the rescue! FEMA LET OUR PEOPLE GO!Trekker Out. Semper Paratus

            • MT, Bravefart got booted from his rental shack and banned from using the library computer cause he stunk so bad.Bravefart stated his case for not owning private property awhile back so peterson exposede bravefart for the puppy dog he apparently is,,,,imho!

              Facebook, most on this board live in fear of their own shadows and probably cowered under their beds waiting for that truck to explode outside the half way house,,imho.

              Boy o boy,ain’t that OutWest mf’er super bad,,how bout going down to da ghetto mf’er and clean it up,,oh shet you are the ghetto,,imho.

              I’m betting on a dulge of red in more ways than one!!

              • Augustine:

                Your post is like the trash that justice posts. How about something sensical instead of your bs. Braveheart and Outwest contribute to this site; you are just a blight.

              • St Augustine,

                Do you know where state rd. 16 and state road 13 meet up in Green Cove? How about we meet up and see who is scared.

                • Correction make that 17 and 16.

                • Yes I know exactly where 16,17 and 13 are,in fact i’ll be in St.Augustine tomorrow around 2pm.I’m thinking by 3pm tomorrow I can be at the junction of 13 and 16 less population at that junction than green cove.Hows that bad boy!Come back!

                  • Ten Four See you there at three. At junction 13 and 16 across the shands

            • LOL

            • In his last comment to me he falsely accused me of calling KFC a Communist, he was pretty pissed off I’m guessing…. Maybe he stroked out shortly after?

              (Maybe this will bring him out of hiding)

              Hey BraveCuban!!! I clipped some coupons to your favorite fastfood joint…. Free biscuits and sides with every bucket of chicken purchased. Mmmmm How’s that sound Che?

              • Lay off the Cuban part of your statement. Leave his wife out of it. Basic rule follow it.

                • Cuban part isn’t a knock at his wife…. I could see how people would view it to be like that, it ain’t! lol

            • I was thinking the same thing haven’t seen Braveheart post in a while

            • Please don’t mention Eisencrap.

              There’s an old saying…”if you don’t stir up shit, it doesn’t stink.”

              • In all seriousness, I wonder where Braveheart is. Hope there is nothing wrong with him. If anyone knows let us know. As for Eisenkraut, just like an unwanted relative he’ll show back up. Trekker Out.

                • If they show up at the same hour.

          • SS

            Attorney’s and professions like mine will be useless post collapse. Three major differences today vs 1928.

            1. The population was much less, only about the size of the number of people receiving a government check today.

            2. We didn’t have a deficit and unfounded liabilities totaling somewhere between 90 and 202 trillion.

            3. Most of the population knew how to do shit back then that will really matter post collapse, like farming, making soap, cooking, hunting, butchering ect.

            We are in a world of shit and changing ones name to Chicken Little may be Alphonse’s last case!!

            • actually, i believe the MOST IMPORTANT difference between 1928 and now is that 10% of american adults are on mood-altering drugs. and when they can’t get them anymore they are gonna FREAK THE EFF OUT! i read an article about this reporter recently that left home for a 3 day vacation and realized he forgot his drugs…..oh well, “i’ll just soldier on through this”, he said to himself…..he ended up in the hospital! you CAN’T quit those things cold-turkey! i been saying the people won’t revolt until they’re COLD and HUNGRY for YEARS now….with the colder than usual weather we will have this winter and people getting hungrier and more pissed every DAY…’s imminent! hope y’all got popcorn and a good seat to watch it all from!…..until then, i’m gonna party like it’s 1928!!!

              • I agree that will add to the chaos, but it won’t be the cause of the chaos. I don’t think any of us has a handle on everything we will go through or die from. Literally there will be a million or more ways to die post financial collapse.

                My theory is; if you can survive the first 4 months things will get better because the idiots and assholes will have already died or been killed.

        • Alphonse,

          Your poor writing skills betray you, perhaps you wish you were an attorney.

          • Alphonse could be an attorney. Most I’ve met aren’t that smart. And now there is a glut of them from all the college graduates that couldn’t get a job so enrolled in second rate law schools. They hang around the court houses trying to shake you down for a few bucks when you go before the bench for a traffic ticket and end up requesting supervision, what most judges give anyway. They are a pathetic bunch of bottom feeders!

            • Most of the attorneys i have met are just fucking bottom feeders,,,
              If we killed every last one of them the world would be a much more pleasant and polite place.

              • Attorneys are the larvae of politicians

                • WOW, OutWest!

                  Shtf posters have finally hit on a subject we can all agree on. I thought I would never see the day!

                  • Not here I love my attorney. What I hate is crappy lawyers that don’t know how it truly works and works for a %%%%. My girl tell me up 450 hr and the end bill will be what it is be. And I go OK. Save my ass.

                • WOW, OutWest!

                  Shtf posters have finally hit on a subject we can all agree on. I thought I would never see the day!

                • A lot of them are…would be interesting to see the exact number…just of the 535…those that aren’t are just owned by the too big to fail banks.

                  • Lastmanstanding:

                    Here you are:

                    washingtonpost dot com/blogs/thefix/wp/2013/01/13 an awesome diagram of the 113 congress

                    128 lawyers in the house
                    45 lawyers in the senate

                    Breakdown of just the senate:

                    4 Non profit/community workers
                    7 Educators
                    3 Medical professionals
                    3 Farmer/ranchers
                    22 Business people
                    45 Lawyers
                    9 Career politicians and govt. employees
                    2 Entertainment and media
                    3 Career military and law enforcement
                    1 Social worker
                    1 Engineer

                  • Thanks Granny. They all suck.

              • Kula
                We would all be out of ammo


              • First two rules of the revolution, if it flies it dies, and hang all the attorneys

            • And how many attorneys are politicians ?

              • Why is it that the first course of action that a successful invading army does is execute ALL the lawyers?

                • Be informed

                  Because the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer…..

              • Darkstar: In the houses of Congress, nearly 40% in the House of Representatives are attorneys and over 50% in the Senate. No surprises here because both groups (politicians and attorneys) have the highest percentage of socio/psychopath of any profession. Any questions?

                • Gregory8

                  Nope no questions here. I actually thought the # would be higher.

              • While not all attorneys are politicians, just about all politicians are attorneys.

                • Bingo,
                  Thats exactly what i was thinking

        • Enjoy the FEMA camp Alphonse !

          • This proves that just because you have a degree in something, doesnt mean you know how the world really works.

            Alphonse, you are as aware of whats happening in the political/economical scene as the typical EBT user.


            • James D

              do you still leave a bite on your plate?????


              • Snake

                Yes, thanks for asking.

                James Donovan.

        • Ase… You crack me up! Would love to see you represent Obutthole in a court of ACA recipients.

        • Alphonese

          You lawyers, or liars as I like to refer to them, are a big part of the problem with the medical system and society in general. Not that there isn’t any need for some legal work to be done, but the growth of scam lawsuits against doctors is one reason medical costs are rising. That and the frivalous lawsuits against products increases cost associated with bringing products to market. Why don’t you crawl back under your rock ?

          Country girl

          • And that’s wwhy I love country girls 😉

        • TO: Alphonse

          Hey, listen ass wipe. I’ve been with this site since it opened. I bought silver when it was in the single digits. Yeah…I’ve done the stock crap..all the bait and switch.
          From here on out.. All I buy is God’s money.

          Yeah..we get the “Chicken Little” crap now and then. I say…perfect…keep the masses sleeping. It keeps the price of metal down so we can all buy more.

          Who is the fool at old age?
          A man who has great dollar gains…but the dollar has been devalued…
          Or the guy with a safe full of metals.

          If you know your history…why have countries gone to war…not for their paper…but to steal their gold. So what is real? Paper that will continue to be printed or metals…limited supply.

          The market has spiked because of all the fake money chasing it. It’s not real wealth but debt. The only real wealth is knowledge, health and God’s money.

          Mac… Ignore the losers.
          Mostly lkely another government plant trying to discredit the Real Americans.

          The real americans are getting armed, stocked up in every way, including knowledge.
          We all know the country has been taken over by Commies.

          I’m looking forward to the collapse.
          It will be fun to watch the brainwashed masses venture into the mansions of the elite and drag them out. And they won’t be there to have a chat with them.

          I’ll be safely in my home watching it all go down on the web.

          Yeah…we all know what’s coming.
          It’s why the govt. bought tons of hollow point ammo and have the fema camps ready.
          Further, I’m sure they will lace shit into the chemtrails to manipulate the health of the people when this all goes down. The sky is no longer “True Blue” and just like the dollar…it’s all washed out.

          A collapse is the best thing for America. Then we all get to laugh at all the liberals.
          HIDE YOUR WEALTH! You will be glad you did.

          Personally, I think a 1933 gold theft will take place again…with a Federal Reserve 2.0 set to steal the next wave of nationalized metals.

          I don’t plan on turning in shit..and most Americans will just hide them.

          Regards all.

        • I used to have a yearly job rejection letter folder, now my folder is monthly. and also look at the FDIC failed bank list; yep is it very scary. I am glad I live and work as a caretaker of a farm now. I am self-sufficient. I cannot pay any outstanding bills, not because I don’t want to, but because I just can’t. Beside a family member, as of today; I now know of 3 people who have killed themselves due to this crap. This is not chicken little. I have three major degrees and cannot find solid work. My husband was as architectural designer, but of course no work in that area since 2008, and of course he is back in college fulltime. I just finished my graduate degree in Homeland Security, and because of the sequester, and of course the obvious economy; the government will not even hire me. Yes, I have a MAOM as well; and that is a MBA on high octant.

          • Good luck Joanne. You have something that no one can take away. The fact that you have these degrees means that you are not a quitter. I think of zombie days after studies at night only to be accused of being stoned on the job because of blood shot eyes? Then getting a “C” in that class. Sucks – so what? You have the survival instinct. I have a feeling that you will better than most.

          • Joanne,
            Sounds like you took the same course I did , USMC 1977-1993, went back to school Architecture / Engineering degree 1993-2007 school then job with an Architectural Engineering firm, engineering job with federal R&D agency (aerospace ) Agency shut down you did not hear about this on the news ( NASA ) was offered position with DHS was over Qualified but took it anyway ,
            Held my nose went to work still there. It’s not a job, it’s an adventure in stupidity.
            I think the only reason I was hired for DHS is my former military service years ago, Advanced degree / ground pounder job 🙁 good thing I kept in good physical condition.
            Do not get discouraged keep applying sooner or later an opening will occur keep checking jobs USA ! This agency has a very high turnover. It is the red headed step child of FED GOV.



            Semper Fi 8541

        • Alphonse–You are a f-cking dip shit

        • Alphonse, fantastic post! I hope you keep em coming. Hilarious!!!

        • Another Scumbag Atty Sucking the wealth out of other people misery. In SHTF and WROL, Lawyers will be obsolete, as we will all each be our own be Judge, Jury and Executioners. Ha!!

      2. Very close indeed

        as Alfred E Neuman once said..

        ‘ worry?”

        Not at all..

        When the market crashed in ’29..historical evidence points to a 2 to 3 year after effect on the overall population..

        Those of us who have prepared will persevere..

        Worry not..


        • Well said! We all know the market will crash soon. I’m wondering what the USA will look like in 5 years.

          • The stock market will go on only as long
            as the federal reserve wants to keep
            laundering their money through it.

          • shooter , may of 2017 our goverment as we know it will collapse what happens next im not sure but jan of 2014 will be a wild financial ride for those whon are un prepared Jan 10th -jan 15th will be the correction stay low it will only get worse from their

            • Good new dates I was hoping it wouldn’t interfere with my travel plan. So far look good

          • If the govt can’t end up in total control over it, I have no doubt whatsoever that they will end the internet… but then we’ll just have to start up our own.

        • According to the chart above if this year’s market action follows 1929 it only shows a drop of 3000 points, hardly something that will send us back to the dark ages. Having said that I believe we will be sent back to the dark ages!

          • Free:
            That 3000 points will scare the hell out of the rest of the world, causing a ripple effect and this might drive our markets even lower.

            • A major correction in the Dow could be 40-60%. 3,000 points wouldn’t even cause a trader’s or investor’s heart to skip a beat.

              A real contraction IS likely. How sharp that contraction is, how soon, and how investor’s and government’s react to it will determine it’s extent. My guess is that the party continues, even at lower levels, until next spring when Israel hits Iran.

              Corporate earnings will eventually dictate stability or instability. Xmas and post Xmas sales will be watched closely. So far, holiday sales are strong, car sales are strong, but housing has peaked, expecting another leg down with the economy while the foreclosure backlog is processed.

              Contrary to the prevailing wisdom of Alt Media, it could be a mild retracement.

              Institutions have been selling as the market climbs. At some point, institutions would come back into the market after a decline with their excess cash to scarf up bargins, like China does with gold when it hits $1200+/-.

              Engage your employees or be bamboozelled by them, one euphemism at a time. 🙂

              • This in my mind is one of the reasons obummer pushed the employer mandate off,
                1. The obvious to try and keep senate seats in the midterms,
                2. The added costs and pressure from the fallout of the employer mandates will further depress jobs and lower GDP
                3. Market is already decoupled from performance, is high on really low volumes, mostly institutional traders shuffling numbers around for balance sheets, if these companies all suck it up and absorb the costs of insurance, balance sheets will be in the red = 0 tax revenue = less money to cover obummer care = higher deficits,
                These donkeys are hopeing for a miracle, they are no more able to fully control the market and all the factors that drive it than you or I are able to influence the same. They can pull off the scharade for only so long and it will collapse, they are starting to lose what control they do have and when confidence erodes further and perhaps banks start not playing ball again or some other catalyst occurs it will slide,
                ALL ponzi schemes come to a head, why would these be any different,
                SS going broke,
                More working poor
                Etc etc….. SS numbers of viability were based on a time when more people were employed, now less are contributing to a system that was already running close to an unsustainable level, now its speeding up toward a cliff, think that wont have an effect? Why havent we seen any numbers on that in the last year or so???
                If anyone thinks we are not headed for some sort of slump i feel sorry for you!

            • Hey Sgt

              Did u see the army is cutting back to around 49,000 airborne troops? Times they are a changing. It use to be if the word got out that a plane was in town to do drops the strap hangers would come out of the wood work!

              • Shooter:
                No I didn’t see this, but if it is true Obullshit is just down grading the Military. I think he doesn’t what the US to be able to defender herself. That’s OK I’ll be there with my brothers to help.

                I know I count on you and the good folks here to defend Her.

                Off topic. Has anyone heard from my pal Braveheart?

                • Sgt. Dale

                  Now you guys have got me worrying
                  about braveheart, too.
                  Maybe he blew his cork so bad he’s
                  in the hospital. I sure hope not.

                  I would like to think he’s visiting
                  his family in Georgia, or maybe he
                  has found a sweet girlfriend to keep
                  him company or something.

                  Whatever, his absence is disturbing.

                  • Outwest
                    I hope you are right that he is OK and just not had time for the site. I hope he is with his family. A sweetie would be nice too.
                    Where OH Where Can Our Braveheart Be Oh Where Oh Can He Be?????

                  • Weather forecast. Cold weather mixed with rain in North Georgia. Might have power problems

                • Remember that according to Agenda 21, ALL military forces (except for UN forces) will be reduced or totally disbanded. The NWO has decided that NO country will have a standing army, nor should they need one—because the UN will be the military force for the planet, NOT the individual countries.

                  They will disarm the citizens and destroy every country’s ability to protect itself.

                  Look it up. It is part of their plan.

                  • Where does the UN get its military?

                    From the poorest nations sending a conscripted force in exchange for aid.

                    I do not believe the Bangledeshis will disarm the US, the UK, the Canadians and the Aussies.

                    That is simply so far in the future as to be the plot for a Lucas or Spielberg film. We’ll have Skynet, first.

                  • Blue, with all due respect, you need to go study the UN’s agendas. You simply have no idea what you just commented on. The UN blue helmets are loyal TO THE UNITED NATIONS, (i.e. NWO), not even their own country. The plan is in writing to create such a global army, and is being implemented as we speak…they just don’t realize who their true masters are. Yet.

                    They will have NO COUNTRY. Their master will be the UN.

                    Please go do some research.

              • Shooter: How many jumpers do WE need if WE have stealth helicopter transports like the Osprey to set troops behind enemy lines?

                Its a new world, militarily. Maybe the troops WE need are Drone Pilots. Just saying. 🙂

        • I think itll be much worse and more global. There are more who are involved this time and its more evil. There wont be a quick fix because they have to get rid of the working class. The only fix is for themselves. Focus harder, buckle down. We have a new goal for 5 years hunker down and that may not be enough. More hunting. Big bags and buckets of beans and rice for the next couple of months. Any Christmas money or a nice bonus will go into preps. Garden will be bigger next year. More rabbits and chickens. Might be good to insulate the whole danged house w/ rolls of tp.

        • Wrong. When the stock market crashed in 1929 factories closed. People lost their jobs immediately. There was no unemployment compensation or food stamps.

          • Barn
            You are right. There was no food stamps, Or unemployment.
            Now there is and if it crashes again it will be the working class that is left to take care of them by taking taxes out of our checks. I believe we are paying too Damn much now, for all the Zombies and Leaches out there. I’m not saying the good people who loose their jobs are Zombies and Leaches. What I’m saying is if it wasn’t for the Zombies and Leaches we could take care of these good folks.
            This could very well be the straw that breaks the camels back!!!

      3. History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Right now we are hearing a familiar tune.

      4. Ah, but they got the Christmas cheer on TV– the stars are singing about Rudolph, the advertisements all say things are fine…don’t worry, don’t stress. All is well!

        Wasn’t that how it was back in the 30’s also? I imagine when people take to the streets in revolt because they can no longer contain their anger and are starving, the stars will still be singing on TV, with all the pompousness and falseness…just like the corporate state pays them to do.

        • Could be nothin’… But what if? It’s something alright, why is the stock market doing so well when much of America is hurting? It is only being propelled by the promise of more fake money printing. What this regime is doing to America is nothing short of murder. Christmas is just a small indication of what is really going on, joblessness, hopelessness, fear of the future, we are running on empty and soon we will be out of gas.

          I believe we are on the precipice of something quite life altering, Obamacare is the tipping point and with the dear leader touting his spread the wealth mantra the way he is starting to now, it will be too much for even the most faithful democrats. The dear leader is nuts.

      5. The banks were successful in their lobby for repeal of all the laws regarding their constraint. No one protected us and now its open season. It will crash for sure when the bones of the middle class become bleached. Nothing left to steal.

        • A French Style revolution will take place I think.

          • With both orchestrated by the House of Rothschild. Deja Vu all over again. I would think 350 years is just about enough of that.

          • Long guillotines?

      6. Perhaps some of you have investments in the djia or other markets..

        The stock market is gambling in its pure sense..

        Why gamble?

        The sure bet is in tangible goods..

        Canned,jarred,dried,heat,water,medicine,p.m.s you can afford,family,friends,lead and more lead to protect those tangible assets..

        After have nothing to lose..

        and i feel fine..


      7. I don’t know about the timing, but I think the many similarities to the Depression are for real. we will hit that realization at some point. Difference is now there is so much manipulation going on with the rates, the Fed, QE, etc, things are simply not apples to apples. However, they can’t outmaneuver realty forever and true natural laws will not be denied. There will be a reckoning in our future, who the hell knows when.

      8. Jeez we are putting our house up for sale around Jan 1st. We are moving into our condo which we own, meaning NO mortgage. I just hope this all holds together long enough to get the house sold.

        Now I also need to get my mom’s retirement accounts into more cash and less stocks.

        It may not happen on Jan 14th or Feb 14th but some time some day this fake market reality will come crashing down and 2008 will will look like good times.

      9. The market is not the only thing similar. During the “Roaring 20’s” there was a tremendous moral decline also. Just like the last 10 years or so. And now it’s not the average citizen. The government is the leader in making good moral character a thing of the past. Heck, even the pope is saying crap that does not belong to the teachings of the catholic church.
        molon labe

      10. Was there a QE1-3 before 1929 and 2008? If not, then we have apples and oranges.

        • or breadlines and EBT cards

          • or mood-altering drugs?

            • and most things we use now are made in CHINA….who KNEW “made in china” would be a WARNING LABEL?

      11. Things in this country are coming to a head, anyone that doesn’t see the signs and that things are beyond not right is just dumb or blind.

        Even if you disregard the collective effect of what’s going and only look at it from an individual level it’s easy to see we’re all being effected in a negative way far beyond anything we’ve seen in most of our lifetimes.

        I give the economy about 10 months, that’s the timeline I’m currently working with.

        • I think untill an outside source tanks it (including the citizens)…it will just keep going till they control everything, at some point its going to be all or nothing (or Now or Never) mentality…

          • At some point controlled chaos becomes just chaos, things will go out of control when the velocity of the situation can’t hold together any longer.

      12. About Lawyers and Politicians.

        They are not on my, “Help or Save List”. There have been many good ones in both professions but in my opinion they are at the all time low for being trustworthy. They may feel they are omnipotent at this stage in the game. Upon further review it may not be so stable in all the worlds economies.
        Actually I do not think Lawyers and Politicians will say too much of anything, if it goes south. Except of course to Save Their Ass.

        • Remember the ferryman in “Outlaw Josey Wales” That’s your man. Political expediency.

      13. Maybe this is the “out” for utter failure of barrysoterocare?

        Destroy what’s left to save his place in history?

        Legacy saving grace…

        • Obummer’s “place in history” should be cold, quiet and unmarked.

          • I think it’s gonna be pretty warm for barrysotero, all those cheerleaders for the dear leader in Hades!

      14. I want to see her pointers. At least money went up today.

      15. I’m at my bare Min on preps, so Id at least by myself a fews months which should have me set till spring and some decent insurance afterward. Now I’m just going to go about my business and continue to look for a job, though I will be holding my ear to the ground the whole time! Definity have a long ways from where I want to be, but given the average I don’t care/I’ll wait till it happens people I’m way a head of the game.

      16. This time it IS different. Helicopter Ben is here. Seriously, Bernanke’s big claim to fame is that he believes that the Fed didn’t do enough Quantitative Easing in 1930/33. He’s written and spoken truckloads about it. Janet Yellin is also True Believer. This tenet of their is faith is why the Fed will keep printing and printing and printing. And it will work. Until it doesn’t.

        Possible major ice storm in the midwest. Checked all my “grid down” preps today. Primary genny, backup genny, battery backup for all electronic comms, topped up the 150 gallon water storage tank, topped up the 6x6x10 woodbin for the furnace, changed to a fresh tank of cooking propane. This’ll be a good practice run.

        • Now settle in with a good book, an adult beverage and enjoy the ice/snow!

          • It was minus 21 degrees last night and minus 12 now, got the woodstove cranking and coffee 🙂 Now I just need to nurse my back from shoveling the 14 inches of snow..

          • As of noon Thursday, it’s all rain and still 60 degrees. Very disappointed. My rainwater catchment is already full. Can we get on with the ice please?

            • Old Coach, as my mom would say, shut your mouth!!! 🙂

      17. Sorry, I don’t buy another collapse happening anytime soon. And if it does, so what? It isn’t like its the end of the world. Some people will lose their jobs, others won’t be affected at all. People will stop spending money for a bit while the problem slowly resolves. The end. Not so tragic after all.

        • Tragic for the individual people that such an event will effect, but you seem to instinctively know you won’t be effected, so drive on.

          • That is why we prep so we are not one of them.

            • you KNOW it’s gonna happen, just don’t let it happen to you!!

      18. The chart does look bad as far as similarities go. But there is a major difference; the Fed of long ago was not printing with so much abandonment then.

        My guess is that the market is responding only to the quantity of money rather than seeking anything other than financial protection from devaluated dollars. I recall there was a similar rise in the London market when the U.K. was printing excessive currency several decades ago.

      19. OMG! The stock market……went up!!! Just like 1929!

        • OMG! the stock market’s going to go DOWN, just like 1929….and 1932, and 1936, and 1939, and 1941……

      20. According to that chart overlay, today’s DJIA would have to hit about 17600 by January 14 to continue to follow the pattern. Today’s close was 15889.

        Can the Dow rise another 1600 points in only 41 days?

        • The chart is also manipulated with regard to percentages of low to high on the left and right. This does allow for an amazingly close chart overlay. Even if it had not been altered, the curve trends themselves are the same and do seem significant. They also came out this morning with the fact that of all new increased earnings since 2009, 95% have gone to the top 1%. Most of us were not in that group. Not saying good or bad here, just that this income inequaltiy is also mirroring things before the Depression. Haves are gaining, the have nots are loosing.

      21. I can hardly wait for the markets to crash and there to be runs on the banks, it was due to systemic flaws then and it will die because people dont learn their lesson and there are systemic flaws now,
        Some of you say no way,
        Do you really think these assholes are that bright that they can make this all go away? Dream on, politicians are not even capable of writing a budget, the bankers and brokers are just plain greedy,
        Anyone who is playing the markets is playing with fire and most likely deserves to get burned unless they are on it like a magnate and can pull the plug on their paper as soon as the ink turns red. Most will just be wondering what happened and then be boo hooing,

      22. We humans will continue with the old ways until a new and better one is found and then most of us will take the new way and continue to evolve. The stock market is the “old way” and someone needs to find a better and more efficient way for everyone to prosper.

        • It won’t be better just new most likely.

      23. The problem with economics is a uncontrolled population growth; This instigates planned obsolescence.

        Lets all go back to the 1950’s when everything was made to last 50 years and we wont have any more instigated
        stock crashes

        • D7–it is the plan; it wasn’t by accident things fail.
          Planned obsolescence is a business strategy in which the obsolescence of a product is planned and built into it from its conception. This is done so that in future the consumer feels a need to purchase new products and services that the manufacturer brings out as replacements for the old ones.

          • Yes someone in 1950 decided planned obsolescence would work and we can see it doesn’t
            Sometimes you have to burn a house down to rebuild it.

      24. Can you hear the thunder? there’s a storm coming!

        • Jim,
          That’s the sound of FREEFOR kicking collectivist ass down in the valley!



          Semper Fi 8541

      25. Ah, we never learn. Having been in the sales side of the petroleum industry for the past 30 years or so, I can cynically tell you that the two greatest sales motivators are fear and greed. The stock market run up is a perfect illustration of that. When the averages are heading north, everybody jumps on the bandwagon, buying at overvalued prices hoping not to miss out. That’s greed. Then, when the market tops and begins to head south, they all collectively panic and bail out, often getting killed on the way down. That’s fear.

        Precious metals are another good example. Few takers these days. The PMs have been pounded by the Comex fraudsters. But that is when the smart money loads up. Problem is, there is very little smart money.

        @DK – you make a lot of sense in many areas. I concur the announcement of the death of the dollar is premature. I am far more concerned about the derivatives bubble, and the effect of potential bank failures with an equities collapse. It’s not just about the dollar – but all fiat currencies – including the Chinese paper. China has been printing like crazy and their state managed economy is in a massive bubble. I am not with the ranks of people who think the Chinese will take over. No statist economy ever worked out well.

        It is this worldwide debt bubble that will take it all down – reducing international commerce to a trickle. It will get very ugly indeed. And this is where the real battle for our souls takes place. Do the globalists step in, and re-boot to a one world currency? Do we step up as Americans and rediscover our natural rights and fight to preserve our liberty? This is the great question moving forward. These are indeed very historic times.

        People who scoff at preppers embarrassingly expose their own ignorance. Let the cynics mock us. If we can survive and one day put it all back together, then let history be the judge. The true battle we face is simple – individualism vs. statism. I say, bring it on! If I were a statist SOB, I’d hate to go up against a liberty loving freedom fighter.

        • This crowd, myself included, seems to act counterintuitively: we are fearful when everybody around us is greedy. Now, if we really would want to strike it rich, we would have to become greedy when everybody around us turns into chicken little (watch Alphonse the attorney when our western economies really start imploding and you’ll learn a thing or two about the chicken littles of this world) – that’s the old “buy when there is blood in the streets”-wisdom.

          In any case, I’m done trying to argue with people who think I’m just another nut case and fear mongerer. If they can’t do basic math, that’s their problem.

        • The financial people I read, including my son-in-law, say this is not a bubble. Not an irrational thing at all. It is the natural reaction of investors who cannot get a decent return by buying bonds, since the prime bonds (US Treasuries) are at almost zero interest rate. Only by going into equities or high-risk “junk” bonds can you get even 2% on your money. What is completely crazy in the Bernanke mindset is that they think the high prices of stocks will create a “wealth effect” where people will go out and buy consumer goods. Ain’t working at all. People’s equity portfolios may look great, but they don’t feel rich. The loom of inflation is scaring them witless, just as the possibility of a bank collapse (DEflation) is scaring bankers witless, (a condition that fills me with glee). I’ve posted on this before: Central bankers have tools to stop an inflation. (Not that they have chosen to use them properly in the last 30 years!) They have no tools to stop a deflationary spiral once it gets going. There just aren’t any. DEflation obliterates banks. Or maybe I should say the obliteration of banks causes deflation. (Actually the obliteration of banks IS deflation.) That’s why they keep on inflating – to stay as far away from the other side of that dichotomy as they can. Inflation steals savings, especially of the poor and middle class, but since the upper class makes policy, we get the shaft. Until we decide to get literal and give it to them.

          • Deflation??? Stick ten dollar bills in number ten cans! 🙂

      26. I live in a small town in Ark. and this evening I saw thousands THOUSANDS of ducks flying NORTH.
        I don’t know what that means but we are suppose to have a big snow storm the next couple of days and the ducks are ALL flying NORTH. Strange Days Bro, Strange Days
        I would say it means something but I don’t know what it means. Can anyone make out what this means?
        Tick Tock, Tick

        • Yeah, there picking corn in Southern Missouri. Trekker Out.

        • You’re facing the wrong way…the poles have reversed.

          Sorry, couldn’t resist.

      27. The chart does look rather convincing compared to the 1930’s run-up. But I’m not yet convinced it will be Jan 14th or that fast. Why? A few reasons I can think of:

        -The controllers (real evil ones behind the stupid public ones)are calling the shots and they want to control as much of everything as possible. Remember it was said that some ‘rumors’ alone started a freefall on wall street back in the 1929 crash and JP Morgan was front and center. When the controllers are ready they can now do this with one mouse click. Speaking of JP Morgan, looks like they are being fined 13 Billion dollars. Hmmm.

        Banking giant JPMorgan Chase is braced for a record $13billion fine over its role in the global slump.

        It relates to the selling of sophisticated investments based on ‘high-risk’ home loans which resulted in the near collapse of the banking system in 2008.

        The penalty will be the biggest so far paid by a bank over alleged misdeeds in the financial meltdown that has plunged the world’s economy into the deepest slump since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

        -The controllers do not want an armed America…but we are. Until they can successfully take away our weapons…I don’t think they can start the rug pull trick. If they do so while we are still heavily armed there will not be enough assets and resources left for them to profit from. Chaos and Mayhem will rule the day…not something those in ‘control’ want to see, nor do they want to see their precious resources go up in smoke. After they have rung the public towel dry and disarmed the populace- THEN they will make their move.

        The ramp up is def there…but it is still a climb rather than a cliff hanger. Many other nations are going for the gold, so we see the movement away from the dollar there. Of course I could be way off and it could all come tumbling down in 6-12 months. Time will tell.

        • important to note that the 13 billion dollar fine was a TINY drop in the bucket of money they made by doing what they were fined for! crime DOES PAY!
          if you got the money for lawyers.

      28. I have always said that when the market hits the 17,000 mark it will crash. Man I hope I’m not right. Its just a gut feeling.

        My wife still has some of her money in the market. I keep telling her to take it out. I put my money into land, and Silver, I don’t play the market.

        For you folks that have money in the market, if it dose crash I feel sorry for you and I hope you are not hurt too bad.

        Boy that chart is so close to 1229 it scares me.

        At this time if it starts to crashes on Jan 14Th this might be what the guy a DHS was talking about. When he said something big was coming around Jan 15Th?

        Can you say Bank Holliday!

        • Sgt Dale ,
          That’s also the date of the next government shutdown if the budget does not get settled.
          Too coincidential timing.



          Semper Fi 8541

      29. History usually repeats itself after a few generations. Mankind’s ignorance can’t resist misery.

      30. I’m not an economist, but listening to people that correctly predicted prior bubbles…my thought is that talks of tapering QE will drop the stock market…from then on it could get interesting. Whether they decide to boost QE or taper I think both end up having a negative impact.

        Too many factors to throw any dates out there though. No one knows exactly what will trigger it. The important thing to realize is that it will happen eventually. All currencies dry up at some point in time. Always prepare to the best of your financial ability without screwing yourself over in case this keeps getting kicked down the road. Unless all hell breaks loose (possible, but again too many factors) you will still have to pay your debt. So don’t dig yourself in your own personal hole financially more so than the government already has to all of us.

        Please prep responsibly at your own risk/gain 😉

        • Right. A few months ago the mere suggestion of tapering QE caused a quick drop in the stock indices. They quickly changed their tune.

          I seriously wonder if Bernanke told the Halfrican Dictator that he wanted out. Because the strain of trying to run ever faster to stay in the same place has burned him out.

          And I wonder if Yellen has clue #1 about what she’s taking over.

      31. You have to admit… There will be plenty of hot women looking for a meal. ha.

        Funny..back in caveman days…the prepper cave man got all the pussy.

        Hence the lineage.

        So maybe we are all descended from cavemen who were good hunters and meat driers who just really wanted to get laid.

        Got Jerky for some “jerky”.

        tee hee.

        Aw…leave this tasteless tit-bit here Mac…it adds some humor to the site.

        Wouldn’t it be funny if we all stormed the powers that be…took control and put all them in a fema camp.

        Time for bed.
        I’ll be sitting behind my computer watching all the Walmart Monkeies make a real mess when the dollar crashes. Don’t think they will take things easy.
        They are the “entitled” generation.

        • Dude – seriously – stop looking at porn before it ruins your life.

          Putting your lusts on display for all to see shows how much porn already controls you.

        • @sex for food,

          Don’t post your foolishness next to my words of wisdom :O

        • i gotta admit, my current wife wouldn’t have given me a second look if times weren’t so tough. people tell me all the time i really did well when i landed her….and i gotta agree. i been a prepper most of my life and always knew someday BRAINS would MATTER! i always KNEW someday having financial sense would trump cars and boats and big houses. i lived like no-one else so that someday i could live like no-one ELSE…and here i am!!

      32. A MUST SEE VIDEO. 11 year old told to beg rather than sell mistletoe to help pay for her braces. Little girl, a dying breed, would rather have people purchase here products than have people donate money for nothing. God help the rest of society that takes the other BO approach that the security guard said, BEG and get what you need. AGAIN, A MUST SEE GOOD FEELING VIDEO.

      33. I wanna see those walmart monkeys ooking,eeking and acreeching when the EBT fails, of when their EBT card limint wont buy a loaf of bread. Time to cull the career welfare moochers!

      34. @ Sex for Food. I know that this is meant to add humor to the site, but it brings up something that NC Joker continues to condemn preppers/survivialists about being wicked and ready to take everything they can get. This is something I absolutely don’t believe with most preppers/survivilists. I feel that most preppers are ONLY interested in survival for themselves and their families and a better world and a better life in the future.

        I believe that the prepper/survivalist has a engrained sense of right and wrong and what is fair and what is not. I believe that most are spiritual and have a sense of goodness about them. I believe that they would not take advantage of a situation to gain carnal advantage of someone less fortunate than they are. Preppers/survivalists in general loathe the bankers and elitists that use their status in rotten ways to exploit everyone below them for their own desires and pleasures. A prepper/survivalist would become their own worse enemies by stooping down to offering food to a starving person for sex. The issue of living with oneself and having a conscience is really the point here.

        Call me a prude, but I cannot even think about such a terrible act of getting what you want to someone desperate for food and/or water to live. Trading something like food for something like a machine part that you need is what. To me at least, offering food and/or water for sex is exactly what the elitists would do, it is desperation of one for the pleasures of another. This to me is something that God would frown down upon big time and make evil gleeful to see.

        I too have joked about this as the world’s oldest profession as being one of the things that would always be in demand. This really is not exactly a joking manner when you truly think about it. A starving person with severe hunger pains or dying from dehydration so desperate that they open their body to another that could be totally disease ridden. I truly hope that no prepper/survivalist would ever lower themelves to this level that the bankers and elitists are at to exploit another’s desperate state for their own fulfillment of their pleasures. We are all better than this, and this primitive level of these miserable parasites that are the killers of the planet and life, the elitists and bankers.

        • Well said. Some time ago, I replied on another blog that prepping for what is to come is not all that hard. What will count though is how we will treat those less fortunate, be it through their bad karma or their own stupidity (I admit I’ll be perhaps a bit less sympathetic towards this last category).

          I like to believe that a better world will emerge after the economic implosion, but that will depend on how the stronger (those being better equipped to face the storm, like preppers) will behave towards others.

          After all, what would be the point of building a nuclear shelter when after the blast everybody and everything above your head is literally toast? No point in resurfacing then, is there?

          Me personally, I would like to leave my bunker after all the turmoil to help with the rebuild.

        • Prostitition is arguably NOT the oldest profession.

          The surgeon says: “God took a rib from Adam to make the woman, so I would claim that surgery is the oldest profession.”

          Whereupon the civil engineer says: “But God created the world from chaos in six days, so I say engineering is the oldest profession.”

          And the economist quietly says, “Ah, but who created the chaos?”

          • BTW that and one other shaggy dog story are the only two useful bits of knowledge that I got from 3 years as an (undergrad) economics major. Well, I did get an insiders’ view of the Keynsian mindset, which left me so confounded confused that I quit and became an engineer.

      35. Russia Opens Artic Military Base to Protect Against US Threat
        Published: 04 December 2013

        On Tuesday, whilst speaking to a group of university students in Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the Arctic posed a region of vital importance to not only the economic interests of Russia, in terms of the vast hydrocarbon reserves buried there, but also the defence interests of the country, due to the threat of potential missile strikes from US submarines based in Arctic waters.“Not only are there major economic interests for our country there…it is also an important part of our defence capability. Related article: Russia Takes Steps to Increase LNG ExportsThere are (U.S.) submarines there and they…

        • The sorry fact is that most United States Citizens are either too busy playing with toys or too busy trying to get a job while being lied to by the media. Because of this most of the people don’t pay attention to outside threats or actually believe the lying media and therefore downplay any warnings that you may give them. Keep trying to warn them though, because the smart ones will listen at sometime. Hopefully before the threat cannot be stopped.

      36. This is the day the Lord hath made. Rejoice and be glad in it!

        Have a safe day everyone.

      37. Finally I see people waking up to what I have been saying about Lawyers, for more then half my life.!

      38. ‘Twas The Night before Kwanzaa
        And all ’round the hood
        The pickings were easy
        The livin’ was good

        I put on my bling
        Had my dreadlocks all shaggy
        Walked out to my Honda
        In britches quite baggy

        I drove down the street
        With the rap music thumping
        And went by the projects
        To see what was jumping

        Cruised past the liquor store
        And on to the park
        Where I made the acquaintance
        Of an undercover narc

        I offered him powder
        He said “Is it pure?”
        I said ‘Snort this stuff
        And you’ll go blind for sure’

        Then money was passed
        In a large cash transaction
        He smiled when I said
        ‘Guaranteed satisfaction’

        I turned then to leave
        And he said ‘Now you’re busted!’
        I just shrugged my shoulders
        ‘Can’t anyone be trusted?’

        When later I stood
        In the courthouse in cuffs
        I said to my lawyer
        I’m calling their bluff

        ‘Your Honor’ I said
        ‘Take a look for yourself
        That’s plain powdered sugar
        From my kitchen shelf’

        ‘I’m an entrepreneur
        In business I am
        I sold him this sugar
        He paid by the gram’

        ‘There’s been no tom-foolery
        No lying or fakery
        I innocently assumed
        This gent ran a bakery’

        The narc looked confused
        The D A was pissed
        The judge just scowled down
        And said “Case dismissed!”

        I went back to my crib
        And kicked off my shoes
        Then plopped on the couch
        To take a short snooze

        I dreamed of my homeys
        And days long ago
        All the tricks that they taught me
        For selling fake snow

        The lessons I learned
        Bring me riches galore
        Happy Kwanzaa to all
        And to all a big score!

        • You can’t it see through the interwebs, but thanks for the laugh, Smoke.

          Larry King once said “I would rather have been a comedian than a talk show host. Making people laugh is more of a high than smoking a joint.”

          I guess you got the downvotes since you’re a new guy. I gave you a greenie, however.

          • Welcome to the forum SmokinOkie. 😉
            Merry Christmas

        • I can tell you that if that “Bro” would try that here where I work he would get charged with selling a look alike substance, and he would get a boyfriend in jail.
          And for him Not a good night.
          kwanza: a holiday for blacks. Set up by some black dude in prison for life for rape and murder. If I remember right.
          When Berry goes to prison what holiday will he set up?

          • Bogus charge, bogus law..careful what you enforce.

            • And if you think Homo Rape is ok, just because he was thrown in jail over a bogus arrest , than your sick.

              No one asks for rape or AIDS because he got thrown in a local jail for a bogus law.

              • VRF
                You have a right to your opinion!
                But anyone selling drugs that looks like Coke or is fake Coke should to be put into jail.

                Bogus charge! Bull Shit.

                If you have seen what I have seen when people us Coke and what they do to themselves and to their families you wouldn’t care one bit what happens to them in JAIL!.

                I’ve seen little children yes babies get hurt really bad. I’ve seen Coke whores sell their little children for Coke. I’ve worked on a case where a mother was pimping out her kids to people for sex, so she could have money to go and buy Coke. (to male and females)

                Again you have a right to your opinion.


                • In the old days an overseer rode the plantations and kept the slaves in line.

                  Try saying “overseer” fast 5 times.

                  Hmmmm…Sounds like “officer” to me.

                • remember you said fake whos getting hurt by powdered sugar?

                  and someone who sells powered sugar is not a criminal so no he doesn’t deserve to be jail raped..period

                  • At no time did I say that a REAL drug dealer doesn’t deserve what he don’t slide that on me..
                    Nice government ploy BTW but I don’t fall that easy..

                    What the discussion and my comment was about was a person going to jail, and you saying that its ok for them to be jail raped for selling powdered sugar..a legal substance..

                    That aint right and you know it

                  • VRF: If he represents it a Coke he is.

        • @ SmokinOkie. You know how much a hate censorship, one day if BO had his way you would not even be allowed to post this on the internet. I see more and more of this censored each and everyday. Look at these BANNED cartoon clips that I could remember growing up seeing all the time on cartoon Saturday.

          Check this video put out back in the 1950’s by the Inglewood police dept to protect kids from the pedophiles at that time. Something that is totally BANNED and looked upon as horrible against homosexuals. Yet this had very good tips and points about protecting young people from the perverts at this time that were nothing like now.

          Censorship is something that is disease of the mind and political correctness is a virus that is nothing but banning others from seeing something that offends someone. If someone doesn’t like a cartoon or what is being said, simply don’t listen. Our 1st. Amendment rights MUST be preserved even when something being said is something that others don’t like. One day we might not be able to view anything that is first not totally screened and filtered. A horrible day if that ever occurs.

          • BI, if you have kids in public school you’ll know this censorship is in overdrive. Also, schools’ main goal is to destroy human spirit. sad. just get rid of the whole scheme starting with the department of [dis]education. I remember being surprised when that goofy Ron Paul used to say it; but now my kid was in public I saw it first hand. A real nightmare for those poor kids stills stuck there.

      39. Mac is there a reason I can not vote thumbs up or down ?

        • No we all got together and blocked you. That’s how we roll.

      40. I think it has been one of the goals of this administration not only to diminish the US influence world wide, but to also
        financially bankrupt the US Economy and they are doing a good job.

        There will be a collapse when those who control the purse strings decide its the right time. The question is, will the system rebound or will it be replaced by a new one?

        If I was in the market, I think I would get out and have some cash on hand and have some items my family would need during hard economic times. Many people say buy Gold,silver, precious metals, but you can’t eat that stuff.
        In the 1930’s, the government confiscated gold from private ownership I believe and what is to say they wouldn’t do it again.

      41. “Americans have been victimized by one of the worst and most insidious crimes in American history – a forgery that involves Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro. It is a conspiracy of Marxists and Islamists that has put one of their own in as President of the United States to destroy the country from within and convert our Constitutional Republic into a socialist police state.”

        Hagmann and Hagmann report

      42. “Paranoia strikes deep, Into your life it will creep, It starts when you’re always afraid, You step out of line, The men come and take you away.”

        • 1967–some things never change.
          There’s something happening here
          What it is ain’t exactly clear
          There’s a man with a gun over there
          Telling me I got to beware

          There’s battle lines being drawn
          Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
          Young people speaking their minds
          Getting so much resistance from behind

          What a field-day for the heat
          A thousand people in the street
          Singing songs and carrying signs
          Mostly say, hooray for our side

          Paranoia strikes deep
          Into your life it will creep
          It starts when you’re always afraid
          You step out of line, the man come and take you away

          Yep–history repeats itself now and then.

        • 1967–some things never change.
          There’s something happening here
          What it is ain’t exactly clear
          There’s a man with a gun over there
          Telling me I got to beware

          There’s battle lines being drawn
          Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
          Young people speaking their minds
          Getting so much resistance from behind

          What a field-day for the heat
          A thousand people in the street
          Singing songs and carrying signs
          Mostly say, hooray for our side

          Paranoia strikes deep
          Into your life it will creep
          It starts when you’re always afraid
          You step out of line, the man come and take you away

          Yep–history repeats itself now and then.

        • 1967–some things never change.
          There’s something happening here
          What it is ain’t exactly clear
          There’s a man with a gun over there
          Telling me I got to beware

          There’s battle lines being drawn
          Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
          Young people speaking their minds
          Getting so much resistance from behind

          What a field-day for the heat
          A thousand people in the street
          Singing songs and carrying signs
          Mostly say, hooray for our side

          Paranoia strikes deep
          Into your life it will creep
          It starts when you’re always afraid
          You step out of line, the man come and take you away

          Yep–history repeats itself now and then.

        • 1967–some things never change.
          There’s something happening here
          What it is ain’t exactly clear
          There’s a man with a gun over there
          Telling me I got to beware

          There’s battle lines being drawn
          Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
          Young people speaking their minds
          Getting so much resistance from behind

          What a field-day for the heat
          A thousand people in the street
          Singing songs and carrying signs
          Mostly say, hooray for our side

          Paranoia strikes deep
          Into your life it will creep
          It starts when you’re always afraid
          You step out of line, the man come and take you away

          Yep–history repeats itself now and then.

          • Ouch–my computer turned into a rabbit!!!
            Delete Mac??

      43. If you live up north and don’t have a Mr Heater and lots of propane, you’re wrong.

        • why? I live 30 miles from canada. no propane.

        • Not wrong if you have Mr. Woodstove or Ms. Fireplace and lots of stuff to burn 🙂 I learned a lesson though- when you see Tacoma bricks for 59 cents each, buy a bunch! I hope to get a bundle of them this weekend.

          Energy saving idea for those with baseboard heaters- get out a fan and blow it past the heater to distribute the warm air throughout the house quickly.

      44. There are so many ugly things converging at once…economic disaster, Fukushima fallout, authoritarian oppression magnified, world war…makes me want to sell my farm and go to Uruguay. 🙁

      45. Obama’s “Become The Very Danger The Constitution Was Designed To Avoid”

        “We have what many once called an imperial presidency model of largely unchecked authority.

        And with that trend we also have the continued rise of this fourth branch. We have agencies that are quite large that issue regulations. The Supreme Court said recently that agencies could actually define their own or interpret their own jurisdiction.”

        Real Clear Politics

      46. This would be a good time for a assured physical guaranty before the 10 year hits 3.

        Okie, did you get the flat rate koozies & Chinese knitted Bavarian goat cozies I shipped? Plug your bloc heeter in and delute with mystery marvel.

      47. One thing that we can do to prepare for the eventual demise of our economy and our way of life is to make a safe place for our family to dwell in the event of civil unrest that will happen is inevitable . A step that we can take while our dollar still has value is to invest in the safety of our families. One of those things to do making sure that we have a safe place to bunker down in a world filled with danger. A bunker is the perfect place to hunker down! It will prove to be your most important tool when shtf. Whether it is a underground place to live or even just a safe room to have in your urban home, your family will need a safe place to go. Considering efficiency, durability, quality and being low key, there is a company out there building said shelters that is paving the way for the industry. There name is Rising S Bunkers and a link could be found here:
        This is by far the best investment you can make to ensure the safety in the uncertain future.

      48. Barring natural or man-made, albeit not on purpose, catastrophes, I think that John C. Dvorak’s cycle theory, as presented on the “No Agenda” podcast is correct. The powers at be will most likely throw enough duck tape and bubblegum at the problem to keep things relatively smooth, but worsening, until 2017. So, if you invest in BitCoin, then you might want to consider getting out of them around the end of 2015 or beginning of 2016 before the bottom falls out. I would not put all my eggs in the BitCoin basket anyway. . . Then, if the theory proves true, then we’re do for a MAJOR conflict (or “confrict” as Al Sharpton would say) around 2020. SHTF moments to say the least.

        • Satori:
          Let me try to answer this.
          I don’t know all the info on the case, so I will try to give you an idea.
          If a person is driving a car and the police are chasing it because it was stolen and the driver and the passenger are involved in an accident, and they kill the driver of the other car. They can be charged with Vehicular manslaughter.
          Now as far as him being unarmed well that puts a different spin on things.
          What I would like to know is why the shot at the guy in the first place. Something is fishy here.
          Was he on Bath Salts and trying to eat people or what? Like I said something is fishy here.
          I hope this helped.
          Man I would really like to know what justified them to shot at him in the first place?

        • The insanity of the liability lawyers has caused the NYPD to have special Glocks made with a TWELVE POUND trigger pull. Sarge, I don’t need to tell you what does for accurate shooting.

          • Coach:
            Are you kidding? 12lbs. Holy Cow! There are some men and most woman that can’t pull 12 lbs with one hand. Lord that will through accuratcy off big time. That just goes to show that they let people that don’t know tell us that do know what to do. Talk about B.S.

      49. Well it looks like a good time to start raising more chickens. get them eggs , roastin chickens, plus anything else you can think of. plus maybe time to buy a new feed grinder too!!!!!!!

        • We are starting rabbits for food in addition to our milk goats and meat/egg chickens…would like a feeder pig or two as well. Chickens are great though, and the eggs are a wonder food.

      50. After the December Holidays, its all going to hit the fan. Companies will lay off people, retailers are cutting way back on stocking shelves, disposable income is diminishing, and we will be down to basic items. The stock market is crashing, margin calls will destroy the stock market, including Gold and Silver. The Government Debt ceiling will explode with no more foreign debt buyers. I just stocked up on on other Prep, kerosene today for my new lantern. Have at least 5 alternative ways to cook your food without electric, as the grid crashes either by false flag computer hack or by the Government shut down to hide thier bankruptcy and to install Marshal Law. Detroit is just a dress rehersal. I hope you are all ready for SHTF for real.

        • I only have 4–wood/coal burning military stove, fire in the hole(ground) or 4 block rocket stove, Coleman cooker, and Sun Oven.

      51. Doesn’t matter to the former room-mate who was paid $400M to make a government website!!! We argue here about the future while the crooks are stealing lifetime fortunes and 1000 lifetime fortunes from the taxpayers – daily! Who’s the smart one? The crooks have 10’s, 100’s of millions – even billions – from the taxpayer coffers while the rest of America struggles to pay the property tax bills and other bills.

      52. One more thing… we recently talked with banks and other loan shops – we can’t get any loan for more than about 20K unsecured or about 50% of our net assets secured. On a business with a huge company selling – us in the middle – and a huge chain buying and with 15% net. Bottom line, government “friends” get millions to do shit while Americans get shat on when they try to do real, productive business. In my recent experience.

      53. BTW, you all are wrong on the timing. Look at the chart. We have a party-time blow off coming. All that free money will be spent doing idiotic, unproductive things – like obuttacare. I haven’t analyzed it but from memory I think that we might be months to a year or so from the ’29 top (versus our chart).

      54. In 1929 people were in better physical shape, could take care of themselves, and were more resilient (think wringer washers and actually working for a living instead of sitting at a desk and staring at a computer). Today’s soft generation is in for a humongous awakening when the SHTF; although a lot of them surprisingly will rise to the occasion and make out okay. My parents lived through the Great Depression, but this one that is fast approaching will be far worse, it’s the end of time for this planet.

      55. Off topic

        Anyone heard from Birt the Brit recently?

        Looks like I chose a decent spot to relocate to, but some parts of the UK are getting hit HARD right now by a nasty weather front (may have guests at the weekend).

        Just like to know that the other my co-conspirator to pull the plug on Piers Morgan’s boat if he ever tries to sneak back home is doin’ OK.

      56. Please note:-

        As you’ll see from the pictures people are still capable of behaving in a civilised manner during a natural disaster. I know this one hitting the UK is far milder than a Katrina or a Sandy, but I’m so sick of only hearing about the mooching cretins.

        Actually most people are still reasonably decent despite the efforts of our overlords. (often a bit daft, but fundamentally decent). Not hearing any nasty stories of looting or anything, but have had several elderly friends ring and tell me their teen neighbours have helped them get ready for this. Our youth are not completely beyond redemption. Satan hasn’t won just yet. 😉

        I have guests arriving in the morning.

      57. @ lonelonmum – Thank you for your post and link.
        I viewed your link, the article and pictures showed the magnitude of what everyone is going through.
        I will have to watch the BBC news – UK.
        75 to 140 mph winds, 30 foot waves, and flooding.
        This is going to last 36 hours. Imho, this storm you are having in England is right up there with Katrina and Sandy. Stay safe!

      58. NEWS FLASH!!!
        Two Laws in the Holy Book were fulfilled on the same day.

        For those who haven’t heard, Washington State passed two landmark laws:
        “Gay marriage” an the “Legalization of marijuana”.

        The fact that gay marriage and marijuana were legalized on the same day
        makes perfect biblical sense, because Leviticus 20:13 says:

        “If a man lies with another man they should be stoned.”
        We just hadn’t interpreted it correctly!

        • Hilarious !!!

      59. Oh look. More scare tactics. Remember the 100 articles last year and the year before that had some elite retired general of Earth giving an anonymous tip that SHTF super soon right? Live your life, prepare for the worst, but stop exaggerating …this is exactly what the media does on the OTHER end of the scale…

        There is being prepared and being aware and then there is trying to use scare tactics to manipulate people to do what YOU want them to do. This website, from what I’ve seen over two years, does exactly that. Buy gold right?

      60. Looks like the trends correlate, but what can be said for cause? “Correlation doesn’t imply causation.” So, 1/14/2014 may not be “the day”. Forget about the time, what about the event? The key event is for other nations to reject another round of US monetary expansion; can the exchanges sustain it – the US has given the farm, gold, oil, your children to the other nations already to make up the differences. If the exchanges won’t accommodate another round, then guess what – presto, hyperinflation !!! Then what? New currency !!!!

      61. 1929 blow off was around 400 DJIA, in inflation dollars for 2013 that would be over 3500 DJIA. So I guess we have a ways to run. It’s all good, move along!

      62. Sorry but correlation is not enough to prove causation. The trends may be similar but the catalysts are not; in 1929 stock prices were hyperinflated whereas today they are trading based on record corporate profits. If anything, stocks are cheap compared to historical norms and the market is priced tepidly considering how much money companies are pulling in.

      63. The funny thing about this is that we also fly through the debris trail from Comet Ison from about Jan. 12 to Jan. 19, according to several amateur astronomers. I guess we will see what happens, but it very well could get ugly. If there is a major event, I am sure it will be bad news for the markets.

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