Strategic Relocation Brief: A Five Star Rated State for Your Survival Retreat

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Editor’s Note: The following article comes to us from our friends at Strategic Relocation and has been contributed by well known relocation specialist Joel Skousen. As is usually the case with Mr. Skousen’s highly informative briefs, this one touches on some key points to be digested by anyone looking to leave the big city in search of greener pastures outside of America’s high population density centers. This week’s brief focuses on one of two states rated by Skousen as a 5-start retreat location based on a variety of factors that include everything from environmental concerns like water availability and climate, to like-mindedness and security. Though this review centers in large part on Northern Idaho, the many variables involved in finding your perfect home are discussed and can be applied to potential retreat locations anywhere in the country.

When you’re ready to relocate you can explore your options at the strategic relocation For Sale By Owner web site and find nationwide real estate listings that include survivability ratings and everything a prepper, homesteader, or survivalist might need to help make an informed decision.

In addition to top-notch analysis and guidance, we recommend visiting the Strategic Relocation Blog to find a host of essential service offerings from U.S.-based companies like Iron Edison (producer of leading solar energy systems) and Ever Logs (manufacturer of concrete ballistic homes).


This Week’s Strategic Relocation Briefing
By Joel Skousen, author, Strategic Relocation—North American Guide to Safe Places

Note:  Mr. Skousen has been asked to do a weekly column on different places of interest to people looking to relocate for security, both in the US, Canada and abroad –for those interested in international retreats. Be sure and check back each week for more detailed analysis of great safe places and check out Mr. Skousen’s plethora of published works at www.JoelSkousen.com . Thank you Joel!

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(Image: Sawtooth National Forest, Idaho)

INTRODUCTION:

As you contemplate relocation to a safe area you should carefully consider what threats you are seeking to mitigate.  I cover the full range of threats in Strategic Relocation—including some very serious ones that few have on their radar (a future nuclear world war with Russia and China, for example). In your assessment you need to consider many competing factors, including acceptable climate, distance to town and needed services, neighbors, physical safety from potential refugees and lawlessness, and how to do all this while maintaining your financial lifeline. —Not an easy task.

Both Todd Savage and Nick Matthews of Survival Retreat Consulting (SRC) and I spend a lot of time with our separate consulting clients trying to balance out these conflicting needs of safety and security with location and convenience during good times. For most people, having a full time residence/retreat close to a small or medium sized town satisfies most of their criteria.  Others, who need to be closer, or in town for work, should establish a semi-rural suburban residence for convenience and a separate retreat or rural farm for ultimate safety.

The more rural you are, the higher the cost of building, maintaining equipment and commuting to civilization—and, the higher your expenses for services including utilities, alternate energy and internet connectivity.  The more your priorities emphasize closeness to a community, the higher your risks will be during a social meltdown, and the more precise must be your preparations to bug out to a separate retreat. So, as you see, there are always compromises in life, no matter if you spend $50,000 on your property or millions, there is no perfect property that will meet all your criteria. Focus on what’s most important for you, your family and/or group.

NORTHERN IDAHO (Panhandle Only)

My discussion this first week will be limited to the northern most counties of Idaho (Bonner, and Boundary counties), which constitute the true narrow panhandle of the state of Idaho. This area differs in important ways from the broader area to the south from Coeur d’Alene down through McCall, Id., which I will cover in another briefing.

In many ways this northern panhandle of Idaho is one of my favorite areas in all of the United States because it combines distance from large population centers, good forestation at low altitudes, plenty of water for agriculture, and very low government regulation for building permits.  If there is any downside, it is its far northern latitude that brings very cold winter weather, although there are noted microclimates in Boundary County.  The occasional heavy snowfall, however, is clearly a benefit (as in all the Rockies), because that provides the reserve of water to grow fir trees, and fills the lakes and aquifers that abound in the area.

This area has unique geographic features that determine the weather patterns. The Idaho mountains are close enough to the Pacific coastal areas that the panhandle receives waves of moisture from the Pacific Maritime flow during October through April when the storms are strong enough to push through and over the Rockies—giving northern Idaho constant cloudy and rainy weather—just like the Pacific Northwest. But during the late spring and summer, those storms are weaker and reach the Idaho Panhandle less often yielding very nice summer weather. The other great feature of this area, and a product of the adequate rainfall, is the predominance of pine and fir forests at low elevations, which is a much sought after feature in my retreat philosophy, not only for beauty but for creating a private homestead.

Let’s discuss this area in terms of convenience and amenities. If you’re in need of providing outside extracurricular activities to children (or adults), locate near the town of Sandpoint in Bonner County.  If you choose the larger city to the south (Coeur D’ Alene), in Kootenai county—which has the most to offer—be aware that there is much less security, more building regulation, and more much crime as well. Sandpoint offers excellent skiing in the winter and spectacular boating and fishing on Lake Pend Oreille in the summer. It’s important to thrive when you relocate, as well as survive.

From a security standpoint, Boundary County to the north is even more remote. The main threat from social unrest and the resulting refugee flows comes from I-90 which will channel people from Seattle into Spokane—the largest city in Eastern Washington, and right on the Idaho border.  From there, it will channel refugees into Coeur d’Alene. Fortunately, there are a eight key tactical points that may slow or stop travel northward to Sandpoint and then to Boundary County, including a number of bridges SEE MAP.  Remember, that it is actually beneficial for your safety to have numerous towns between your location and major cities, to absorb refugees.

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Northern Idaho has an abundance of water from streams, creeks, rivers and lakes; you can’t go wrong searching for a great property there. However, there are several spots within these counties due to geologic factors that don’t provide economical well water—either low flow or too deep (very costly). For example, the Paradise Valley bench outside Bonners Ferry is a spectacular spot, for both sun exposure and food production, however there is a layer of silt that can be as deep as 700 feet before hitting the water table. The local community has tapped into a large aquifer on the bench and built a community system that is fed by this aquifer. These seem to work fine and the only improvement you would have to consider if you tap into the community system is to install a cistern to store water, or drill your own well if funds are available, for back up.

There are some areas up the Upper Pack River Road just north of Sandpoint, that have very low producing wells (1/4 gallon per minute) on one side of the road and the other wells are at acceptable flow rates. This not to say not to look in these areas, just ask your Prepper Realtor or Consultant to pull well logs for the surrounding properties before your final property selection and subsequent purchase.

If you’re looking for both security and water then several main retreat areas come to mind that may work for you. Not in any order they are as follows;

First, along District Two Road just north and running east of the bridge in Bonners Ferry is some of the most fertile ground in the county along with the North Bench and Kootenai River bottom heading towards Porthill, Idaho along the Kootenai River. You will have to ascertain your risk level of being about 63 miles down stream from the Libby dam (which has had previous seismic issues) and the rate of flooding should the dam give way for any reason. There is a spectacular retreat for sale at the end of District Two Road. It features varied terrain from cliffs to many acres of fertile and defensible ground, and 4000 feet of Kootenai River frontage. This spectacular retreat is located 2 miles past a locked gate at the end of the county road. The Point Retreat will meet even the most discerning Preppers retreat shopping criteria.

As the Kootenai River runs north the large fertile basin on both sides of highway 95, as it heads toward the Canadian border. The Eastport area is higher in elevation and the growing season is shorter, although there are several retreats just south of Eastport that have spectacular water and defensibility. Staying on the west side and going north on Highway 1 to the Porthill border crossing is some of the most spectacular views and property in all of Boundary county. The growing season on the North Bench near Porthill is better with good sun exposure and abundant water from spring runoff from the mountains. Several such gravity fed springs make up a local community water system in Porthill that is gravity fed to the under 100 residents.

The next area is the Katka Mountain region, several miles east of Bonners Ferry and up the mountain on Two Tail Road. There is abundant water on most properties and they are very defensible, with only the Katka Mountain Road as ingress/egress from that area. The Meadow Creek Road region just off Highway 2 and heading north to the Canadian border is a wonderful retreat area as well.

Another recommendation is north of the Kootenai River on Old Highway 2 Loop road area just east of Moyie Springs, Idaho. However, properties are few and far between on both Meadow Creek and Old Highway 2 Loop, and when the good Prepper properties come for sale they go quickly. Staying north of the Kootenai River in Bonners Ferry is highly recommended, if possible. Give United Country – Strategic Relocation Realty™ a call, as they are my recommended experts on Rural Sustainable Properties in Northern Idaho and are very helpful.

In Bonner County, the Selle Valley area is a wonderful location known for excellent growing, sun exposure and on most properties, live year round water and some springs, depending upon property location. This is a great area for those that may want to be closer to town for various reasons and enjoy a bit more interaction in the town of Sandpoint (pop 9500).

There are a lot of higher altitude areas that are not suitable for growing, but make excellent high-security retreats. Be aware that some snow levels can reach over 20 feet plus, so be sure to ask neighbors as you identify properties and pay attention to elevation and snowfall records. It’s very important to seek advice about winter weather in North Idaho, as slight variations make a huge difference. The lowest elevation in the County is at the Porthill river crossing at about 1754 feet above sea level, which has only slight to moderate snowfall—with allot of rain in the winter, like downtown Bonners Ferry. But just a hundred and fifty feet or so of elevation change can change that rain to snow and it’s a different ballgame.

Sandpoint offers a wide variety of multi-cultural restaurants and entertainment venues. It has an old town atmosphere and even has a local city beach. Security concerns during good times are limited to petty crimes with violent crimes few and far between, as you would expect from a small rural town anywhere USA. For a post-collapse scenario, there is still the Sandpoint Long Bridge over Lake Pend Oreille and the Newport Bridge to help slow and stop any moving threat.

These northern two counties of Idaho are very conservative and libertarian, and differ significantly from the politics of Coeur d’Alene to the south which is fairly liberal, having been a retirement destination for liberals from California, Oregon and Washington. They bring with them their acceptance of government control and thus Coeur d’Alene city and Kootenai County have the full range of building and planning restrictions just like other large cities.

In stark contrast, in both Bonner and Boundary counties to the north you don’t have to submit your formal house plans to the county.  What is required is very minor—a Residential Placement Permit, which requires a $35 fee. The application does not require the divulgence of your building plans, so your safe rooms and storage will not be public record and subject to scrutiny. It simply asks among other mundane items for the ‘footprint’ of the buildings and distance to property lines.

But you do have to apply for a state electrical and plumbing permit in both counties—because it’s a statewide requirement to have an electrical inspection and a plumbing inspection, administered through the Idaho Division of Building Safety.  If you are installing a septic system, a permit is also required from Panhandle Health; if you are drilling a well, a permit is required from the Idaho Department of Water Resources; and if you are building a new driveway connecting to a county road, a permit from County Road and Bridge is required. On the surface that’s about it, but there are a few more items to pay attention to, such as;

Before beginning construction or installation of a residential structure, it is necessary to make application for a residential placement permit, which is pretty benign. Boundary County wants to ensure that the parcel meets the minimum lot size for the zone district in which construction is taking place or that the parcel is a legal non-conforming lot of record, that set-back requirements are met, that the property where the home is being placed does not lie within wetland or flood zones identified by the Federal Emergency.  In Boundary County, this is literally a one-man show: Walk in and talk to Dan Studer (208-267-7212) and chat about the parcel and placement before making the one page application. It’s really that simple.

Subdividing Property, if you need to, is a simple process as well, depending upon the parcels location and current zoning. A simple subdivision application (to divide an un-platted parcel into five or fewer parcels, each meeting minimum parcel size within the zone district and each with approved driveway access to an existing public street or road) in Boundary County can still be HAND DRAWN on a one-page application! However, in the last 10 years the county has adopted quite an extensive set of rules and regulations for smaller parcel subdivisions, and if your property falls into the ‘subdivision ordinance’, it’s best to do your homework before making a larger land purchase in hopes of splitting it up.

If you plan to build a fully sustainable retreat (off-grid, alternative energy) and wish not to have a state inspector in your home, you can purchase your supplies and then hire a local state certified contractor to do the install and sign-off for you. This applies to your plumbing and septic as well.

Bonner County, Idaho (Sandpoint), is very similar in requirements, with several additions, which will impact those of you that intend to build safe rooms and storage in your new home.  First, Bonner County requires a Building Location Permit with Diagrammatic floor plans and elevations of the structure in sufficient detail to identify the size and use of all components and floors of the structure, stamped by Panhandle Health (septic permits). But, as I point out in my design book on the Secure Home, you simply show a room labeled “storage” on the plans—nothing else. This is an easy solution if you have found a great parcel in Bonner County.

The entire region is very beautiful, with lots of mountains, lakes and rivers for recreation like camping, mountain biking, hiking, hunting and fishing.  Soils range from sandy loam to clayish, and are of sufficient depth in most areas that building a basement is not a problem. There are some areas that are very rocky, so be sure to ascertain this before any purchase. It is so important to have concealed basement space in a retreat that I never recommend any piece of property that doesn’t have good basement potential.

I find most of the people in the area open and friendly, generally, with a strong mix of religious conservatives and libertarians, but as in all rural areas, you find a few strange ones.  I would be remiss not to mention that this area was home to the Aryan Nations Neo-Nazi compound of Pastor Richard Butler in Hayden Lake. Although I wholeheartedly disagree with their racist beliefs, I did interview him and his cohorts many years ago and came away with evidence that this was an infiltrated government operation meant to tarnish the reputation of all conservative dissidents everywhere, just like the Ruby Ridge fiasco which also happened in Boundary County. Butler died in 2004 and his followers were run out of the county by a lawsuit and the compound was torn down.

I only mention this in an otherwise very positive assessment because people ask me about this fairly often, and don’t want my readers to feel cheated that I didn’t tell them what I know. Even though Butler and his Neo Nazis are gone, one of Butler’s followers, Shaun Winkler, purchased another piece of timberland recently in the Hoodoo Mountains and is trying to resurrect the movement. The good news is, however, that his attempt is looking like a failure. He’s only got a handful of followers, little money, and his contract for the land is reportedly being foreclosed on, thankfully, they should be gone forever soon.

Realistically, this kind of extremist association, often driven by government agent provocateurs, is something we have to deal with in any highly sought after retreat area—and one of the prime reasons I caution against joining formal survivalist or militia organizations that draw the attention of government.  Build your own informal network of people you trust.

Summary comments:  Idaho is one of two 5 star (out of a possible 5) rated states in Strategic Relocation. Northern Idaho may be a bit too far away as a pure bug-out retreat location for those having to keep their main residence in cities more than a day’s drive away (not counting private pilots), but it is ideal for those looking for a new main residence or retreat combination in the safety of the far west. You will be surrounded by spectacular beauty, good access to moderate sized cities without urban blight, and be amongst a significant concentration of like-minded people with family values.  Also of high importance—the Pacific Northwest, in general, is very open minded, so their acceptance for quality newcomers is high.

Be sure to check out www.StrategicRelocation.com™ the new Survival Property For Sale Site we started last week for new retreat listings. Pass the word; let’s bring aboard you favorite Prepper Realtors and FSBO properties from around the globe to this new venue!

I’m proud to announce that Nick Matthews has been named the new Worldwide Operations Manager for Survival Retreat Consulting as they expand outside the American Redoubt. Nick brings years of experience to the SRC team as an officer and a Bronze Star recipient from his combat action overseas with the U.S Army. You may see Nick’s bio HERE. Congratulations Nick.

Next Week: We’ll take you south of the Border to examine the most popular expatriate destination in the Americas—Costa Rica


When you’re ready to relocate you can explore your options at the strategic relocation For Sale By Owner web site and find nationwide real estate listings that include survivability ratings and everything a prepper, homesteader, or survivalist might need to help make an informed decision.

In addition to top-notch analysis and guidance, we recommend visiting the Strategic Relocation Blog to find a host of essential service offerings from U.S.-based companies like Iron Edison (producer of leading solar energy systems) and Ever Logs (manufacturer of concrete ballistic homes).

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    1. eppe

      Makes one wonder, where is one TRUELY safe????

      • Be informed

        @ eppe. The truly only safe place is OFF the planet. Unless you have an interstellar spacecraft or can convince ET to give you a lift, the next best places are the SAFER locations. In case of nuclear war this is between 10 degrees north and 10 degrees south of the equator. With society collapsing, extreme isolation like the above article describes as one of the places to go. With a deadly virus, not only extreme isolation, but also where you can have a lot of natural remedies available in case the virus or bacteria is air borne beyond the host.

        Talking about deadly viruses. Those smallpox samples that were suppose to be dead, two virals were alive:

        http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/health/smallpox-found-nih-alive/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

        I have said this for a long time, a think dead bodies can keep samllpox alive and one of these unearthings is going to prove this. Could be a cemetary being dug up, or even some ancient mummy. We are living in the end times and nothing should surprise anyone.

        • eppe

          Amen BI, there is no truely safe place in the planet, that was what I was trying to convey. Even my bol has it’s own hazards, but they are minimum, compared to urban spots…

          • Jasmine

            Having read this article, and the other one recently by Todd Stevens, I’m thinking this is too much self promotion, particularly by the Boys from the Redoubt. I do not include Mr. Skousen in this group. The comments posted indicate much of what I think of the Boys from the Redoubt. Unrealistic prices, elitist attitudes, and all is well in the Redoubt until you pull back the thin veneer and see some of the history underneath. Many of the comments posted below have convinced me that it is often best to stay in the area you are familiar with because the people, weather, customs, culture are familiar and not something to adapt to under a stressful SHTF situation. Yep I can just hear Smokin’ Okie talking to folks in northern Idaho!!!!! Furthermore, not many people can afford the luxury of these fancy retreats. It may not be the best use of our financial resources. Stewardship of our finances is a responsibility if we are to have a chance of preparing and getting through a difficult situation. I wish Mac wouldn’t have gone this route. There is no need to as these guys already have their own websites.

            • passinwiththewind

              Any bol can be safe if…..

              It is far enough away from a large city

              It has plenty of natural resources and not enough population to devour them within a few months

              Not prone to flooding

              Not prone to earthquakes

              All the above; with a climate and soil that is adequate enough for gardening.

              Counting on friends, relatives, and neighbors as part of a bol security plan is like a crap shoot. When provisions and the food pantry starts getting low, and the daily meals are measured in spoonfuls instead of cups; look for minds to start weakening and support to turn into animosity. Things could get very ugly and very bloody in a New York minute.

              In other words; it will be every man/woman for themselves.

              Communal style living ain’t for me and the little woman. Her daughter will be about the only addition to our bol.

              Choices for bol???? Oh how I have pondered that question. We live in the mountainous region of the Appalachian chain. I have thought about relocating to the Rockies.

              Anyone relocating there without knowledge of backcountry skills and how to deal with animals that can kill you within seconds; had better think twice. Living in a tent or makeshift cabin is flirting with disaster. Living without big guns in those areas is flirting with disaster.

              I have thought about moving to a remote part of Florida. Why would a mountain man move to a swampy area?

              First and foremost; there is plenty of food. Fish, frogs, and snakes are just steps away, in most remote wetland areas. They are there 365 days a year, along with deer and pigs. Plus many more edible things, including plants. Most folks won’t venture far into remote wetlands, so interaction would be minimal.
              Needing to keep from freezing to death would be a minor concern.

              My concern is flooding. If the New Madrid Fault erupts into a major shift causing a split in the US up to the Great lakes and the Oceans rise by 25 ft or more…. Well, it’s a long phucking paddle back to the mountains.

              It’s all about choices and odds. Pick where you feel is most advantageous to you and yours, for survival. Don’t get sucked into someone else’s definition of the best bol; more importantly, don’t get financially screwed by a so-called “expert” that makes a living selling “hype”.

              PWTW

              • Mark

                Hello Passin, You are right about the swamp areas having an unlimited supply of food if you know what you are doing but I think south Louisana would be a better swamp because it isn’t as prone to flooding by tsunamis and hurricanes. I, being born and raised in the warm South would probably be miserable in the frozen redoubt. Anyway some of us need to “occupy” the areas with the longest growing seasons instead of handing it over to the enemy. Especially since it looks like we are experiencing the opposite of “global Warming”. So it looks like I am going to be riding it out in a semi swampy area of the Great State of Mississippi.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  RE:When Bugging out to low lands like swamps, lakes and waterways. Are you a target for Mosquitoes – They Love Blood Type “O” the most. And like Type “A” the least. So consider this when bugging out if you will survive or get eaten alive.

                  Study: A study in Nature (Wood and Dore, 1972) found that mosquitoes were more likely to bite people with type “O” blood than other potential victims, while people with type “A” got the fewest bites. A follow-up experiment examined whether this had anything to do with the fact that some people secrete saccharides — sugarlike chemicals related to blood type — through their skin. Results:

                  1. Generally speaking, skeeters favor people with type O blood over those with types A and B blood, confirming the earlier research.
                  2. They really favor type O secretors over type O nonsecretors and or type A secretors.
                  Source: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2891/do-mosquitoes-prefer-certain-blood-types-plus

                • laeagle

                  Passin, Mark,

                  I completely agree with you. I have lived in many circumstances and in many places including the mountains, prairies, jungles, by the ocean, isolated rural areas and great metropolitan areas. When the time comes that we will have to live off the land, there cannot be a better place than southern Louisiana, MS, and Southeastern Texas, with the lakes, rivers, estuaries, and marshlands that are constantly being replenished with all kinds of edible foodsources (ducks, fish, crabs, shrimp, frogs, alligators, etc). Just need to know how to catch them.

                  Of course we have some major population concentrations but after the initial die off we are going to have to figure out how to live with each other and form communities. Isolation is not a long-term solution and not very viable or plausible.

                  Water will always be a concern for any BOL along with a long growing season. Rice, corn, taro, various vegetables, sugarcane, raising bees, cattle, pigs, chickens and other livestocks can supplement food caught in the lakes and rivers and forest lands. There are parts of this area in the ‘Great Southern Redoubt’ that are quite isolated and inaccessable and yet you are never too far from ‘civilization’.

                  I love southern Louisiana!

                  Louisiana Eagle

              • Vicky

                I think you’re lucky to live in Appalachia which is where we will go when things get really bad. We’re in rural Ohio, now, which is pretty decent, but have a lot of population within 3-4 days walking distance. I assume you have family and contacts there, which we don’t, and know that will make it harder for us. Good luck, wherever you go.

                • durango kidd

                  Q: “Makes one wonder, where is one TRUELY safe????”
                  A: “Those who seek to save their lives shall lose it.”

                  The Lord has a place for everyone. Go within. Find that place where He wants you to be. Jesus did. His place was Golgotha.

                  Be there to get there. If Yellowstone blows, NO ONE is going anywhere. Until then, engage!!! 🙂

                • passinwiththewind

                  Thanks and good luck, Vicky.

                  I am a southern man, but made a lot of friends with folks from the Buckeye. Good friend lives in Dayton.

                  You ain’t far from some “big” mtns. in WV. Hope you don’t end up close to the gooberment’s/TPTB, under mtn. city there.

                  Remember the road that goes to nowhere in eastern WV? It does go somewhere and that somewhere is near their underground city for all the elites from the East Coast areas.

                  PWTW

                  PS. dk, you spoke much truth this time.

                • Muddy

                  @DK,
                  You comment that investors piling into stocks is the last indicator you’ve been looking for as an indicator for an imminent crash. While I don’t disagree with your thinking, I want to say that about a year ago ZH, and other sites were screaming to the high heavens about the “big boys”, industrial investors, etc. were getting out while the retail investor was getting in to stocks. The Big Boys were getting out because a downturn was right around the corner. They were insider traders. My point being the market is so screwed up that I question if traditional indicators still matter. Secondly people who got in a year ago have still made money, and the market is still pushing all time highs.

                • durango kidd

                  Muddy: Yes its different this time. 🙂 Additionally, Goldman Sachs has publicly stated that the markets are 40% over sold, while also stating the S&P has much higher to go.

                  WTF???

                  That pronouncement lets GS off the hook, legally, when the Banks Crash the markets, while, in the meantime, encouraging more new money on the sidelines to join the slaughter. 🙁

                  While I believe its still possible for the markets to self correct without a major Crash and continue to limp along until after the elections ….. eventually what goes up must come down.

                  I know that this time its different, but typically the Dow makes a double top with the small investor pushing the second peak. That’s when the GB’s pull the rug out from under selling into the froth.

                  Look for the double top now. It will tell you that the lemmings are fully invested. 🙁

            • the renegade braveheart

              Jasmine, I agree with you about the Boys from the Redoubt. As I stated in a post last night, the properties I’ve seen listed at SurvivalRealty.com, one of Rawles’ sites, are way too expensive for common people like you and me. Plus, I’ve travelled through that area once in 2000 and it was during the winter. Their winters are just too rough for me. I’ll stick with my beloved Southland.

              • Tacoma

                BH say you will stick with your beloved southland.I will also.You can grow food all year.

                • charlie2dogs

                  do you really think you are going to just go out and plant food, how many people will you have around that field, armed watching your back while you work, do you actually think you will be safe with your head stuck out anywhere when the shtf, do you actually think you will be safe in your house, do you think no one will be watching you waiting for a chance to take your head off so they can rob, rape and kill to get what they want, most of you are living in lala land, you have about as much chance of survival as a snowball in hell.

              • durango kidd

                TRB: Boise has about 1000 abandoned homes. The longer they are vacant, the more money the bank loses. Make a LOWBALL offer that YOU can afford. Be ridiculous.

                Its a start. 🙂

              • REB

                Hey there BH…I getcha brother…I love the northern woods but when it comes to growing food you cant beat Dixies climate…that said I think folks can and will make it wherever they are if they make a plan and learn how to live it…too many folks are always looking elsewhere for that greener patch of grass and God knows trouble of somekind lives everywhere and waits to greet you on arrival,no matter where you go…not saying its wrong to relocate if you have the means and the want too…just think too many people are looking to some redoubt for a perfect bugout and are not prepared/preparing to make it where they are(and till they actually move somewhere else then they are still wherever they are)…like I say alot “do what you can with what you have where you are to the best of your ability”….been away for awhile fighting to raise the crops against some idiot who calls herself “mother nature”…finally got the hay cut and dried…got more to do but I got enough to make it now if I dont get any more…lost half my tater crop to flooding and standing water(and I live on top the hill 🙁 …corn is a total loss too except for the seed corn patch…all the maters/peppers/cabbages and such are fine inside the hoops…what a year!….anyhow I hope y’all are doing fine! REB

                • passinwiththewind

                  I know what you mean, REB.

                  Same situation here. We couldn’t get hay baled because of thunder showers every day. Lost about fifty bales when rain dropped out of the blue, just after wind-rowing.

                  Had a another field with about 75 bales at neighbor’s and they got impatient and gave it to someone else, after we had been cutting it for six years. No phone call, just gave it away. Some neighbor, huh? But, what else would i expect from a self-proclaimed preacher, that lives off of Momma and in-laws.

                  We will make enough maybe, as long as it continues to rain.

                  Too much rain can kill a garden. Last year about 80% of the local gardens rotted down because they were on flat land. I learned many years ago that sidehill gardening works better against too much rain and heavy rains.

                  Horse manure compost (no chemical fertilizer) working great. Bumper crop of green beans, squash, cukes, and tomatoes this year. Only had to water from the rain barrels once so far.

                  Can’t grow corn because of the cussed coons. Have plenty of seed for a SHTF situation though. Will never plant another stalk as long as i can buy sweet corn @ .30 cents each ear, and stone ground corn meal for $12.00 per 25 lb.

                  Life is good for now. Eating good in the neighborhood.

                  PWTW

            • Gregory8

              I use to live near there just outside of Spokane and it’s fantastic country. However, in the winter you can easily find yourself up to your arse, literally, in snow. If that’s not a problem for some folks then why not just make the next move and get up to Alaska where it’s really big and far away from everything and everyone? In the “Inland Empire” it’s 4-5 months of cold, to very cold weather, and at least 4+ months of snow, slush, and then mud to deal with. The plus side is that the insects aren’t nearly as bad as Alaska.

          • Old Guy

            B I You correct for the most part. Except you statement that we are living in the End Times. So far every generation of buble thumpers there are some who truly believed they where living in the end times. So far they have all been mistaken. No one really knows. Now we are at the beginnings of an end of an age.

            • Be informed

              @ Old Guy. Humans have warped themselves like no other time in history. You look at the everyday despair and the vicousness that is going on around the world. The threshold I truly believe has been reached that something massive MUST happen. The end times are really likely the end of human civilization as we know it. This just can’t continue like it is.

              Population for one cannot continue to grow without some sort of mass die off. The amount of arable land shows this all too well. You can’t grow food on more than 95% of the land of the planet. This really is just raw numbers. When the amount of people per square mile of arable land goes beyond 2000, mass starvation sets in. India has the 2nd most amount of arable land in the world, 1/2 of their land is farmable. They starve over there because of too many people, over that 2000 people per square mile of arable land ratio. The world is already at aboput 1400-1500 people per square mile of arable land. Super plagues always follow malnutrition and not enough food. The human species like all life forms have mega deadly germs, and the human species is way overdue for one. This would end human civilization.

              The Sun spews out super flares a lot more often than realized. An EMP like the Carrington Event would severely damage human civilization.

              War goes more likely everyday. Just on pure chance, war chances grow each year it doesn’t happen. If a world war happens every 100 years, then after 69 years, since the end of WW2, there is a 50% chance of WW3 this year. If world war happens every 50 years then the chance is 75% that WW3 will happen in 2014. Beyond the numbers, we just have to see just how Russia and China both are preparing for nuclear war with all sorts of massive underground facilities.

              You yourself have mentioned the polar shift and/or magnetic shift of the planet. This will certainly cause terrible climate shifts with it. The human agriculture is based heavily on gentle weather patterns. Even if the shift is not sudden and is slow, the planet’s weather will become a lot more severe and will affect crop production in a huge way. People are already living right on the brink of not having enough food.

              End times can be describe as the end of life as we know it. While I can’t yet prove this is going to happen, the scientific and geopolitical signs are sure pointing to times that will become awful in the not so distant future. This is why we, the 1%, prepare the best we can for what is coming that will be likely horrible and tiring.

              • Anonymous

                Many experts from many different fields– anthropologists, climate scientists, agriculturalists, biologists, etc. are predicting a converging of crises to hit us around 2030…some predict this to occur much earlier. All predict it to occur at least by 2030. they say if you are alive then, you won’t necessary consider yourself the lucky ones! Its gonna be bad!

              • charleston

                Well why don’t you go first and die off so the rest of us can use up your stuff?

              • BrewMaster

                There will be and currently are rapidly advancing hydroponic growing techniques being developed which allow fruits and vegetables to be grown much more efficiently than planting on arrible land. Hydroponics reauires 1/10 the water and can generate yields many times per square foot that which can be grown in dirt. Just as many people were convinced we were at “peak oil” a few years ago (Wrong)…technology finds a way to advance…and now we produce more fossil fuel than the Saudis do. I would not be surprised to see agriculture experience a similar path of advancement using hydroponics and aquaponics techniques.

            • Mark

              The bible says to be aware of the “season” concerning end times and Jesus returning. If you look at it from that standpoint the indicators of end time are upon us. Knowledge increasing many fold as never before, seasons merging into one another, volcanoes and earthquakes on the increase, wars and rumors of wars, ect., ect.
              No one can say for certian but it sure looks like the beginning of end times to me.

              • Nope

                Nope… things are just cycling like they do.

                the idiots are in charge… enjoy the collapse.

                It will be spectacular.

                I just might put out a big sign in the ghetto that says FREE FOOD AT NOON ON SATURDAY just to see who shows up. ha

                • lastmanstanding

                  “free beer and hot dogs tomorrow.”

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

            • Nathan Cline

              “So far every generation of buble thumpers there are some who truly believed they where living in the end times. So far they have all been mistaken. ”

              Did it ever occur to you that the “end times” does not last a week, or a month, or a year, or even 100 years? The world works on much larger timescales than that of any pitifully short human life.

              Yes, we ARE in the end times. The Jehovah’s Witnesses were among the first organized religious groups to realize this, back in the 1880s, one generation after the American Republic was destroyed by Lincoln and during the early stages of the American Empire. They recognized it for what it was all the way back then. Why do you think they stay so cloistered away from all the rest of this evil society and try so hard to spread the word of God, while continually trying to tell people that this wicked system is at its end, and that all these churches etc preaching nonsense are going to burn?

              • Old Guy

                Civilizations have waxed & waned since the beginning of time.
                apparently You folks definition of the End times is quite different than mine. I supposed you where predicting the biblical event and the return of Jesus ect. those where and are the bible thumpers I referred to. and so far they have all been wrong. When you die and your soul leaves your body of course that’s the end times for you in the literal sense. The end of an age I refer to is the same kind of event as the end of the ice age or the end of the stone age, of the end of the dinosaurs time. This end of an age will not make humans extinct some people will survive. The dinosaurs didn’t all die. The alligators, crocks, fish, turtles ,snakes ect are still with us. The pole shift & related change of climate will reshape the planets demographics and have a determining effect as to what flora & fauna remain. Im confident man being the most adaptable will not only remain but flourish. Its not beyond the realm of possibilities that your biblical jesus revelation type event is eminent however I wouldn’t count on it. Actually its a quite exciting time to be alive on the planet. certainly not boring. I Look at all the wonders that have happened just in my lifetime. My grandfathers corn field produced 20 BU to the acre. Mine makes over 200 BU per acre. Im 64. when I was young most folks my age where already dead. Back in the fifties most I knew actually lived without indoor plumbing no air cond. very few had more than one vehicle. hardly anyone bought a new car. everyone picked cotton by hand. many kids I knew had Polio. Folks didn’t have hardly any leisure time. They worked just to put some food on the table. Children had new clothes usually once a year. That was in the fall at the start of school.I actually like & enjoy my lifestyle as it is this very moment. I put in about 4 hours per day taking care of animals & stuff. Plenty of time to do things like play on this compueter. I retired and draw a social security PONZI scheme check. Come & go as I wish. I was really hoping that I could live out the remainder of my days playing Hobby farm ect. now Im not a denialist Im certain that’s very unlikely. I really hoped I would never have to kill again. Now that seems unlikely also. For the most part im disappointed and angry at those who think that I have more than my fair share & it needs to be redistributed to the free shit army.

                • Anonymous

                  When the soul leaves the body it is not end times… its transition. Otherwise, not a bad post! 😉

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  The problem with Religion, is that it makes you think and believe you(MAN) are the “superior beings” on this planet, and everything else is a beast or burden. This explains the mass destruction of our planet as in Manifest destiny. The mass pollution of the water, air and land, and there is no other species on the plants that kills its own is such mass genocide as man does. But I am here to break the news for ya. You me and every living thing on this planet ends up in the same place, meting in the dirt pile as in dust to dust. If there was no such thing as Religion, we would all be living in harmony among the beauty of nature and stewards of the land air and sea. And take only what we need to live and leave the rest in better shape for others for future generations. Religion teaches Hate, Greed, Slavery, oppression, destruction all because your god you pray and obey is a jealous God. And even says so in your Bible. and this is why I abandoned Religion as it is evil. See:
                  Exodus 34:14
                  Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

                  Deuteronomy 5:9
                  You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

                  Deuteronomy 6:15
                  for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land.

                  Deuteronomy 9:3
                  But be assured today that the LORD your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the LORD has promised you.

                  Like who wants to follow or donate your money to this BS?

                • Grafique

                  I’m glad my God is a jealous God. His love is so great that he refuses to share me with idols and lusts.
                  He proved it by sending Christ to take the punishment for which I WAS DESTINED. What a great love! What a perfect jealousy!

                  THANK YOU LORD FOR YOUR JEALOUSY!

                • Nathan Cline

                  ” I supposed you where predicting the biblical event and the return of Jesus ect. those where and are the bible thumpers I referred to. and so far they have all been wrong.”

                  No they weren’t. That’s what I just tried to explain to you. Don’t worry, one day you’ll understand just how wrong YOU are.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                The Definition of FAITH is a set off beliefs absent of any Facts or Proof. Now’s that is a heck of belief system to gamble 10% of your weekly income on. You would be better off playing the LOTTERY. At last there are verifiable winners holding the BIG CHECK. I have yet to see a single winner who made it to Heaven or Hell, and hold up a sign saying I made it. If you know of any, let me know. I would rather spend my 10% of income on Preps like food, guns, ammo and shelter.

                “All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry” Edgar Allan Poe

                • Grafique

                  The only problem with “religion” (Christianity) is your perception of it. The problem’s in your incomplete understanding.
                  But that’s okay. Jesus loves you anyway.

                • Nathan Cline

                  “The Definition of FAITH is a set off beliefs absent of any Facts or Proof. Now’s that is a heck of belief system to gamble 10% of your weekly income on.”

                  No, the definition of faith is believing something without actually thinking about it or weighing and measuring the data yourself. And by that definition, science is a faith-based institution.

                  Have you personally studied all the papers and research related to evolution? Or do you just believe in it because everyone else does and it “makes sense”?

                  “All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry” Edgar Allan Poe

                  Edgar Allan Poe might have been a good poet, but he was a crazy ass lunatic who didn’t know a thing about religion.

                • Anonymous

                  No, actually, faith is the substance of things unseen, (or something like that). Basically, you have never had a spiritual experience, and therefore, you assume no one else has either. Its sort of like not having ever eaten a mango. If a person has never eaten one, he can assert (egotistically) that mangos don’t exist, since he’s never eaten or seen one. Egotism– thinking you are above all else, is the oposite of humility and all spiritual books around the world say that God cannot be seen/experienced unless you have humility. THAT’S why you don’t realize God exists– your egotism.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  The Bible is the “Ultimate Excuse Book for Dummies,” who are too lazy to study Science, Physics, Anthropology, Archaeology, DNA, Evolution and History. Yep all crammed into one book written by humans, one of the dumbest and most ignorant creatures on the planet. Yep the world is still flat, and the moon is made of cheese. Look a cow just jumped over the moon.

                • Grafique

                  WWTI, you can’t come up with any silly little insults that I (we) haven’t heard many times from posters on the internet who are fearless in their anonymity. You are in the great majority of people who reject Christ. Only a relative few accept him.

                  I pray that Jesus will intervene in your life, when you are at your lowest. When you’re at the end of yourself, when the only way out is Death, remember that in spite of your hatred of him, Jesus never hated you. He has loved you for all time, and will accept you when you call on him, even if it’s at the very end.

                  I love you and Jesus loves you. Remember that.

                • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                  WWTI, why do you come here and bash posters who have a vision different from yours, oh I forgot, you think your dung does not stink.

                • durango kidd

                  WWHTI: No, that is not the definition of faith.

                  “Faith is substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

                  90% of the universe is invisible. That is scientific fact. Just because something is invisible, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

                  Heaven is invisible. Jesus is invisible and at the right hand of the God the Father who is the Lord of Hosts. He is Nature’s God and the Creator of everything visible and invisible; and the embodiment of natural law, upon which the US Constitution is based: which can be condensed in a nutshell, to personal liberty and moral responsibility.

                  Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God. Been there. Done that. 🙂

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  So did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

              • Dixon

                Shaddup Rump Ranger!

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Religion is the Cruelest HOAX ever placed on man, duping the gullible generation after generation. If first starts out with setting the Con in place when you are about 2 years old when your parents tell you. “Be nice to your sister or else Santa Clause won’t bring you anything for Christmas.” “Then the Tooth fairy thinking you are going to get some money for shedding teeth”, Then Candy for Easter, but you have to work for it a little sine it is hidden in eggs, which Rabbits don’t lay. A child brainwashing is further enforced with cartoons and shows showing Santa Clause, and you can even go sit on his lap at the mall for proof. So by the time a child is about 5 or 6 he believes that if he is good and obeys, he is rewarded. And it is a total Con Job of Lies and deceit right from the beginning, creating a Gullible child. Then his parents sends him to Bible school for some more brain washing, teaching him that war is glorious with fun songs like “Onward Christian Soldiers Marching off to War” like it some noble feat to commit genocide, and symbolism is really important as you give them a cross they can wear around their necks as a badge of honor. Like the Nazi Swastika which Hitler found to be very powerful, and gives him sense of belonging or a symbol of protection, like the propaganda movies like if you hold up a cross the Vampire runs away in fear. Its all symbolism propaganda. Yes after years and years of brainwashing, it is a struggle for one to simply give up this belief system he has been conditioned for for decades, it is painful to admit you were gullible, or have the feeling of being deceived, like how did you feel when you found out that there was no Santa Clause. Well Jesus is never coming to save you or anybody else. Its all a myth. The cruelest part of this myth is that many brainwashed souls enter politics and leadership positions and create laws and wars around this myth. In my live I was raised Lutheran, went through the confirmation brainwashing. and I finally woke up right after 9-11 when in the middle of Bible study classes, I actually read the Bible, and soon realized it was all Bullshit, a scam. And there are more religions out there than just Christianity. And my mind opened up and and witnesses that Religion is so hell bent that it will make mind controlled brainwashed people do anything including flying airplanes into tall buildings. And strapping bombs on their bellies and self sacrifice so they can get 70 virgins in a make believe heaven. Even Christianity tells and promises you just like being good that Santa Clause will come. Christianity promises you ever lasting live is you believe and donate a portion of your income to keep the myth Ponsi scheme going. But then if you are given everlasting life, then why does the church then solicit you to donate all your estate to the church upon your death? Connect the dots folks. Its all BS, and when you die your body shrivels up and turns to dust. And all you will be from then on is a past memory for the remaining living. That’s All Folks Ba Beep Beep!!! Parents, STOP LYING to your children, be 100% honest to them right from the start. Its the only way we are going to save this planet from the Religious Genocide. Jews Bombing Muslims, Christians Bombing Muslims, Muslims bombing Jews and Christians. Stop involving the innocent in your insanity fighting who’s hoax is more legitimate or righteous than the others religious hoax. Who gives a shit where Abraham was born. And fight about it for thousands of years, there is No winner in this BIG HOAX. It would be like fighting about if Santa Clause lives on the North Pole or South Pole. Who cares? So what. It took a Man nearly beaten to his death to declare, “Can’t we just all get along?”

            • charlie2dogs

              mankind has degenerated to the place where he cant survive, religious fanatics, newagers and liberals are all deluded and have created one hell of a mess with their insanity, no one knows what time it is and does it even matter.

              • Old GUY

                How is man creating pollution? Everything on or about the planet is a natural thing. And since you cant make something into nothing or make something from nothing.. And for every action their is an opposite reaction. Its all a wash. The planet doesn’t care what humans and other life does or doesn’t do. And to top it off it don’t care what religious superstition you believe. Glowball warming is a myth superstition religionto some folks. The fact is these earth changing events would be happening even if man had never walked the planet.

                • Anonymous

                  You ASSUME, Old Man, that global warming does not exist. However, have you ever bothered to research the topic, read a bunch of books from the library about it?Its easy to say something is a myth– like the nutjob above who says that God doesn’t exist. You may think what you like. The fact is, God is real and so is Global warming. (I’ve done the research!)

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  Old Guy- If Pollution is so natural, how about go out and start your car, then put your mouth and lips over the end of the tail pipe for 20 minutes, and see how natural it is for you. lol… See if your God will save you from it.

                • Grafique

                  Many scientists have also done the research, and they say “global warming” is not real.

                • Grafique

                  “Global warming” contradicts the Bible.

                  Genesis 8:22 –
                  “While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.”

                  I believe that God put this verse in the Bible because he knew there would be those who claimed that the natural order of the climates – which HE ESTABLISHED – would break down.

                • durango kidd

                  ANON: The world is not “warming”. Temperatures always vary over time. The temperatures are changing because the weather is changing. The weather is changing because the Poles are moving.

                  It’s always coldest at the Poles and the rest of world gets the weather that is generated by the Poles, based upon the amount of solar radiation the earth receives (it varies with the strength of the magnetic field); the effect those radiation variations have upon the oceans (based upon the mass and gravity of various regions), and then the ocean currents which move the warmer and colder water around; affecting the atmosphere and thus the weather.

                  Three million years ago, long before the advent of man upon the earth (at least in any numbers) Greenland was free of its ice pack and had been ice free for more than 50 million years before that.

                  It could be argued I think that the natural state of Greenland is ice free. The Ice Age may still be ending. Earth Changes abound. They are the one constant upon this planet since its birth. 🙂

            • cabinfever

              It’s all about knowing how to read the signs…and a hundred years ago they didn’t know how to…or in the 80’s either. I have been watching since I was a teenager. The formation of the NAU (which is happening right now or they are attempting to form it) is a major sign. How long will it take? That’s anyone’s guess. It could be a bloody ten years…five years…who really knows. In my lifetime? Absolutely. Now I’m in my early 50’s.

          • Shooter

            Email the TX governor and tell him to bomb mexican railroad bridges with Texas Air Guard F-16’s. He should also bomb drug super labs and the homes of drug lords.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            When SHTF; In-laws or Outlaws – Be wary of both.

            • KnowThis

              Yes, They will be roasting marshmallows over the coals left from your burned up skull and smoldering skeleton, occasionally stirred with a fireplace poker. Your days are numbered Whowudda and they are coming for you.

        • PO'd Patriot

          No quarter here on earth. Like Hank Sr. use to sing, “We’ll Never Get Out Of This World Alive”.

          Think about how well they can read a license plate (detail) from a satellite floating in space. Don’t think we’re invisible. There are only places somewhat less safer than others. Complacency can get you killed quick.

          • PO'd Patriot

            Dang, still early and I’m screwing up already. Meant to write, “There are only places a little more safer than others.”
            I better go start that coffee now……

            • Warchild Dammit!

              PO,coffee is a survival tool for sure.I have yet to get a hand grinder but do have(eh)preground coffee,when that is it I know the SHTF!

            • Wilson

              @POP,
              You were blogging and commenting BEFORE having coffee?????? That’s just not right.

              As for Warchild’s comment I would add coffee is a staple, and will probably be good for barter. My better half is more concerned with running out of coffee than actual food.

          • cabinfever

            Yeah, but they can’t find Osama….lol

        • Dejavous

          With Yellowstone waking up and all the earthquakes happening on the ring of fire – yeah the north east sounds like a good place to die in. Instant burial or incineration free of charge. Doesn’t anyone read the news lately. This is like relocating to the slopes of MT. St. Helens for safety.

          • Dejavous

            North West in place of North East – Oooops. My fingers typed faster than the thought-lol.

          • charlie2dogs

            every man has created his own destiny, you cant run or hide from that.

        • Anonymous

          I think though, once we get through the bad times, it will actually be better in the long run… IF you can survive the transition! That is the ticker– trying to survive the transition!

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Absolutely, As a Prepper, all you need to do is have all of your preps in place to sustain you and your family for one full year. After the first year of mass death where 95% of humanity is wiped out, there will be plenty of surplus homes, food, animals, and fresh air out there for the taking. And with only 5% of the living remaining, we will have about 5 to 20 square miles each, to do what ever want with by then. So just have at least a year of food, guns ammo and drinking water capabilities when SHTF. Stop trying to force prepping on others. If they don’t get it it was meant to be. I would not encourage anybody out there to Prep, let them be part of the 95% to parish. Just saying, this is an “End Game Strategy” just like in the TV show survivor. So if you believe Jesus is coming to save you. Bravo!!!! keep praying!!! Good Luck!! lol

            • Anonymous

              If you don’t believe that God exists, or have never had any spiritual experience, you will hard fit on surviving what’s coming, WHODUNNIT! This (what’s about to take place) is not just a material experience, it will test us to the bones and you have to be strong in every way to survive– especially spiritually strong. It will make all our knees bend!

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              Have you not realized, wwti is a poser?
              Who knows it all?
              And his shit does not stink?

              • Hoanan

                WhoWentAheadAndSuckedIt has now sucked it and it is completely sucked. Sucks dooesn’t it?

            • cabinfever

              This time we live in and the time of trial about to come upon the earth to test everyone will be worse than all the wars combined. The very gates of hell will be opened. There is no strategy for what’s coming. Any number of scenarios can happen that will ruin your drinking water, food, etc. In “Survivor”, the over-confident tend to bite the dust…Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. What is coming is beyond what you can comprehend – physically, mentally and spiritually.

          • charlie2dogs

            85% most likely wont survive, what qualifications do you have that you think you might be one of the few left.

            • Old GUY

              My qualifications are im not hindered by religious superstition. Im self reliant, I have wisdom & Know How. Mosty its my mental fortitude. I have the stones to do whatever I deem necessary.

              • eppe

                If anyone is tired of the religions (7200+-)here is something you might give some time to read and think about.
                NOT SAYING IT IS THE TRUTH, but in the end, our FORGIVENESS OF OTHERS is where we MIGHT please the higher power we all want to be connected with. I myself have a hard time with forgiveness, so many humans have screwed me over, and forgiveness is KEY…

                http://www.garyrenard.com/Preview.htm

                REMEMBER: We have no idea what is the true truth, but it does make one think outside the religous box…

                • eppe

                  3 hours in moderation????

                  • Nathan Cline

                    Cut Mac some slack bro, he was out at the strip club blowing off some steam.

                  • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                    This was a 3-day, 5 star info-commercial for Staycation. lol

                • eppe

                  Does Tess know about that???

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  @eppe, you are referring to Karma.

              • Nopittypartyhere

                Cool heads will prevail for sure. He ability the see the big picture as best as possible and think clearly, acting decisively will save ones life.

                • Nopittypartyhere

                  Oh great down thumbed, surely if the SHTF, those who panic will die.

              • Anonymous

                Wisdom, OLDMAN, is knowledge of God or spiritual Truths… yet you say you have wisdom but don’t believe in God– that is a contradiction!

                • Old GUY

                  I never stated I don’t believe in god. I dont believe in organized superstitious religion.

              • Anonymous

                If you don’t know that God exists, or at least are open minded about it, then you ARE HINDERED from the very outset!

        • Socrates

          Regardless of what people know or think they know…the virus is still the ultimate weapon.

          Deadliest, Rarest Form of Plague Contracted Near Denver

          A Colorado man is infected with the rarest and most fatal form of plague, an airborne version that can be spread through coughing and sneezing.

          It is the first case of pneumonic plague seen in the state since 2004, said Jennifer House, a spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment. The man, who hasn’t been identified, may have been exposed in Adams County near Denver, health officials said in a statement. While House said the man has been hospitalized and treated, she wouldn’t release other details about his situation.

          “He’s on treatment long enough to not be transmissible,” House said in a telephone interview. He may have contracted the illness from his dog, she said, which died suddenly and has also been found to carry the disease.

          “We don’t think it’s out in our air,” House said. “We think it’s in our dead animal populations and dead rodent populations.”

          Plague in all of its forms infects only about seven people yearly in the U.S. The disease occurs when a bacterium named Yersinia pestis infects the body, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The difference between the pneumonic and bubonic varieties is that the bacteria take hold in the lungs in the first case, rather than underneath the skin through insect bites. Both types are treated with antibiotics.

          The state is working “to investigate the source of exposure and to identify those who may have been exposed through close contact with the individual,” the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment said in its statement. “Any individuals exposed will be recommended for antibiotic treatment.”
          60 Cases

          Colorado has had 60 cases of all types of plague since 1957, and nine people have died, the state said.

          “The reaction is leaning toward people who are tired of the protection of prairie dogs on some level,” said Jim Siedlecki, director of public information of Adams County. “Most people look at them as cute little dogs on the side of the road, but in rural Adams County they are looked at as a rodent who damages crops and is potentially plague-ridden.”

          The Deadliest Disease on Earth

          Adams County, home to 470,000 residents, with 425,000 living in the Denver metro area, is one of Colorado’s fastest-growing counties and among the 20 fastest-growing counties in the nation.

          Untreated plague is fatal, and antibiotics have to be given within 24 hours of the first symptoms to reduce the chance of death. Symptoms of the disease include fever, headache and chest pain, along with a pneumonia that develops rapidly causing shortness of breath, chest pain and bloody mucus, according to the CDC.
          No Vaccine

          There is no vaccine available for plague in the U.S. The bubonic form is the most common, best known for its outbreaks in the Middle Ages.

          Colorado officials recommend that residents keep pets away from wildlife, especially dead rodents. The plague can spread from animals after a large die-off of prairie dogs, when fleas with the bacteria seek new hosts, according to the state.

          “The message we’re trying to get out is that the plague bacteria is present here in Colorado, and to take necessary precautions to avoid getting infected,” House said.

      • eppe

        If one has a BOL already, will it rise in value when the SHTF? And could it double or triple in price? Then would it be worth selling to find another? Too many varibles in the equasion…. Oh, FOR A CRYSTAL BALL…

        • the renegade braveheart

          Eppe, I just hope I can bugout to north GA before anything happens. After an EMP or whatever, I’m not so sure there will be any ‘real estate value’. It will be a totally different world.

          • Grafique

            Just curious, RB, if everyhing went dark, would you still try to make it to N GA from Memphis, would you stay put, or try for somewhere closer?
            If you decided to strike out on foot, what items would you consider essential to take with you?
            Would you use some type of cart to carry more?
            Would you travel overland or by the roads?

            I ask because I frequently travel on business and this is a subject I think about a lot.
            Thanks.

            • Warchild Dammit!

              Graph,not RB but I do in car always have my hunting pack which keeps growing!I have ration bars/basic first aid/paracord/compass/a few knives/lighters galore along with ferrous rod,a roll of tp/water filter system which still needs testing,I know,am getting to it!I also have a basic self defense item.That said,if going to visit new lands have a map book and at least idea of area/water ect.You do a lot of airplane travel would go to trouble of checked bag/small pack to have more items if things go south.That said,some defensive items depnding on state ect. can be checked.I actually think a travel SHTF plan bag might make for a good article topic if anyone is game.

              • Anonymous

                What about binoculars, Warchild?

                • Warchild Dammit!

                  Just shows the importance of coffee as PO mentioned,yep,have a small pair in hunting pack,sigh….,time to go though it yet again and see whats missing/can fit in small backpack,perhaps some instant coffee not a bad idea!

                • Grafique

                  I carry a “Long Walk” BOB with me as my business trips are only by car/375 miles max.
                  I figure 30 – 40 days to walk that far, camping along the way.

                  Some items I don’t want to be without –
                  My G21 and about 100 rds.
                  Sleeping bag/self-inflating pad
                  First Aid kit
                  Toiletries kit (soap, toothbrush, small towel)
                  A few extra clothes (socks, underwear, shirts). This increases as cold weather comes on
                  Extra shoes
                  Katadyne water filter

                  Would you carry a tarp or small tent?
                  Would you try to carry a .22 rifle for food?
                  Would you travel by road or risk crossing private property?

                  Any ideas on a month-long hike would be appreciated. Bear in mind that after an EMP everyone I meet would be afraid at least, hostile at most.

                • PO'd Patriot

                  Grafique, absolutely have some sort of .22 if its going to be a thirty day walk home. Things could remain pretty fluid out on the road and you might have to divert around trouble which will extend your time. Sounds like you’ve got a good start with the G21.

            • Nopittypartyhere

              Definitely carry a pack in the car. I like the book “build the perfect bug out bag”. You tailor make what you need or choose to carry. When I travel to MS I have maps of every state I picked up at the rest stops. I will not travel by road, but use road as a guide, because the need may arise to cross water by bridge risky, I know, but each situation will need the odds weighed carefully.
              Also, if you are not an experoenced camper, ge Cody lunden’s 98.6 degrees the art of keeping your ass alive. HOPE this helps.

              • Grafique

                I have a Savage Mark II .22 rifle which is a sweet little gun, or for battle I have a BushMaster XM15 AR.
                My problem with another gun is obviously the weight of gun + ammo. My pack is already 35 lbs +.

                I have also included a CampMor poncho which is a heavy vinyl and has built-in space for a backpack. Right now I have a small tent (6 lbs) in there. I’m not sure it could be used as a tent.

                In a SHTF situation like this I fear bridges. They’re a perfect spot to bottleneck travelers such as myself, then rob/kill them. So I bought a swimming-pool float – the flat kind to lie on – for crossing rivers/large creeks. I figure I could strip naked, spread out my gear on the float and slip across at night.

                • Grafique

                  Meant to say “I’m not sure the poncho could be used as a tent.”

            • Warchild Dammit

              Graph,in regards to tent ? how about a good poncho,can be used as a make do tent but also might be nice if it is pouring out.Your lower post shows you have a pretty good setup as you are car travelling.I suppose a breakdown .22 would be nice but if you can pull it off rather a battlefield style rifle with a good sling/scabbard on pack,oh,and some instant coffee!

              • Grafique

                I really appreciate these replies. I’ve spent much time thinking about this, but I really value new ideas/critiques. As much as I travel, it’s VERY likely that I’ll be caught away from home when it all goes dark. I’ve told my wife that if communications are out, not to panic, because I’M ON MY WAY, but 30 – 40 days is a long time to not panic.

                • Warchild Dammit!

                  Graf,you are more set for a long hike then 90% of the country,much more and you grew up in a Grizzly Adams life style with a combat tour as a special ops thrown in.The important thing is you and I and others open to new thoughts/ideas which is what makes sites like these so helpful.The tent weighs 6 pds.,hmmm….,so does a good rifle(not including ammo).Anyhow,here is a site I also enjoy with a poncho/tent article: ht tp://willowhavenoutdoor.com/?s=poncho+tent,added space between http to avoid moderation wait time.Only you know the areas you travel ect. and whether the tent a worthy item,personal comfort even in small amounts may be a excellent thing to have if you are doing the “long haul”home,again,each situation/persons needs will be different.I just carry a small bag unless on road trip,then,tis the fully loaded Molle for me if over say 100 miles and or overnight/longer trip.

          • Anonymous

            One good thing about northern Georgia, its close to Cherokee, North Carolina and national forests… beautiful water falls out that way. But also, lots of snakes as well. My daughter lives in apartment complex in Georgia and constantly sees snakes– even poisonous ones.

        • talon1776

          Just curious eppe…what kind of banking system will there be when an emp hits..and more to the point.,what kind of currency will be used to purchase such a BOL.?
          The actual truth is…nothing will have any appreciable worth simply because no economy will exist.

        • DarrenR

          “If one has a BOL already, will it rise in value when the SHTF?”

          a bug out location will go from a cool vacation cabin to being of incalculable value the day SHTF. valuable like a can of beans or gallon of water.

          “And could it double or triple in price? Then would it be worth selling to find another?”

          SHTF means any market that exists will be highly disrupted & punctuated with flying ordnance. i would not expect such to be the ideal time to flip a property on the market & move oneself to a different one.

          even in a ‘normal’ rising real estate market, the quandry exists: sell house A at $700k and move where exactly? into house B at $700k? that is the scenario one faces unless moving to a smaller/downgraded property or is moving to a notably less expensive location. and really, how is one going to do that while SHTF? perhaps X months/years after things settle down. and if society restores itself to a proper state, the BOL goes back to being a cool vacation cabin.

        • Nathan Cline

          “If one has a BOL already, will it rise in value when the SHTF? And could it double or triple in price? Then would it be worth selling to find another? ”

          That idea sounds to me a lot like “buying and selling stocks on the day of the crash” type thinking.

          Find a BOL, build it up, and keep it. Trying to wheel and deal at the last minute is a good recipe for getting burnt.

          • eppe

            To everyone who has questioned me about selling a BOL.
            I own (free and clear)a BOL on 28 acres that backs up to a National Forest of 4250k+ acres. It is shaped like an arrowhead. Locals did not even know what was there. I plan to split off 3 acres for my own and build multiple earthship or terradome homes for my family, sister’s family, parents, or whoever I choose as neighbors. That leaves me with 25 acres with 2 metal homes, well, barns, springs, wildlife everywhere, more timber than I could ever burn, and decent rural neighbors. Since I have been prepping since ’96, I am covered in all the essentials, and am looking for other ways to be making money when it all unravels.
            I have a few ‘wealthy friends’ who want to buy it now, but not make but 10-15% profit on it. Hence the question, if TSHTF, would some wealthy friend pay 100-500% more for the ’25’ than I paid for it to assure his clan would be safe??? I would not condsider it flipping, since I have owned it 7 years now, but thinking along the lines of surrounding my family with like minded people. I work fulltime, and have a business in the same realm on the side. My wife has a business recycling kids clothes in consignment setup. If we moved there, after selling my McMansion, getting set up would be a breeze. I have done better in real estate than others, and still play the stock market and commodities to a small degree. But since yall asked, now you see where the question came about. I wish the best for everone here in your mission to come out on the other side, intact, well fed, prosperous, and WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME that we seem to be in now. Like I have said before, I wish I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL, and could win lotto and get set up quicker…. Good luck everyone….
            I still wonder why some junk me for my jokes, I guess they see my ‘eppe’ and red me down, which I do not really care, more people green my jokes than hate them…

            • eppe

              Since we all are getting older, and we need to ween ourselfs off PHARMS, here is a ditty on that….
              Enjoy….

              SPECIAL POEM FOR…
              A row of bottles on my shelf
              Caused me to analyze myself.
              One yellow pill I have to pop
              Goes to my heart so it won’t stop.
              A little white one that I take
              Goes to my hands so they won’t shake.
              The blue ones that I use a lot
              Tell me I’m happy when I’m not.
              The purple pill goes to my brain
              And tells me that I have no pain.
              The capsules tell me not to wheeze
              Or cough or choke or even sneeze.
              The red ones, smallest of them all
              Go to my blood so I won’t fall.
              The orange ones, very big and bright
              Prevent my leg cramps in the night.
              Such an array of brilliant pills
              Helping to cure all kinds of ills.
              But what I’d really like to know………..
              Is what tells each one where to go!

              There’s always a lot to be thankful for if
              you take time to look for it. For example
              I am sitting here thinking how nice it is
              that wrinkles don’t hurt…

              • eppe

                Also an older guy told me once…

                You are not really drunk until….

                You shit in your pants and forget your name.

                Dang, that is really drunk…

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Eppe, keep them coming. Very interesting poem. Fortunately, braveheart is NOT on any kind of FDA-approved poisons, so I must doing something right as far as my health is concerned.

                • eppe

                  RB, you are on track, if it is not a natural herb, it will kill you in the end….
                  Genesis 1:29

                  And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

                • .02

                  I witnessed two french canadians do exactly that, they dank a 40 oz of everclear in about an hour. those two guys were toast.

                • eppe

                  I actually know the great? grandson of Nash, interesting dude no less…
                  He has a company that makes these…

                  Google polarbearcoolers…
                  Moderation would take hours…

              • Grafique

                Hey Eppe, I did a study on Humor in Poetry a while back.
                Here are a few of the best –

                Tax his land, tax his wage,
                Tax his bed in which he lays.
                Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
                Teach him taxes is the rule

                Tax his cow, tax his goat,
                Tax his pants, tax his coat.
                Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
                Tax his work, tax his dirt

                Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
                Teach him taxes are no joke.
                Tax his car, tax his grass,
                Tax the roads he must pass

                Tax his food, tax his drink,
                Tax him if he tries to think.
                Tax his sodas, tax his beers,
                If he cries, tax his tears

                Tax his bills, tax his gas,
                Tax his notes, tax his cash.
                Tax him good and let him know
                That after taxes, he has no dough

                If he hollers, tax him more,
                Tax him until he’s good and sore.
                Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
                Tax the sod in which he lays

                Put these words upon his tomb,
                “Taxes drove me to my doom!”
                And when he’s gone, we won’t relax,
                We’ll still be after the inheritance tax

                -Anonymous

                • Grafique

                  The bustard’s an exquisite fowl
                  With minimal reason to growl
                  He escapes what would be
                  Illegitimacy
                  By grace of a singular vowel
                  – George Vaill

                • Grafique

                  He drinks because she scolds, he thinks
                  She thinks she scolds because he drinks
                  And neither will admit what’s true
                  that he’s a sot and she’s a shrew
                  -Ogden Nash

                • eppe

                  EXCELLENT POEM….

                • Grafique

                  A Warning on Spontaneous Combustion

                  O whisky is the king of drinks,
                  Renowned the world o’er,
                  But here’s a word o’ caution,
                  Tae think of when ye pour.
                  There’s a certain combination,
                  That tastes so very good,
                  But when it hits your tummy,
                  And mixes with your food.
                  That’s when the trouble starts,
                  For yer pleasure hits overload,
                  And half an hour later,
                  Ye’ll suddenly explode.
                  So there ye are in the pub,
                  Completely engulfed in flames,
                  And yer good wife’s dashing home,
                  Tae lodge insurance claims.
                  Well now that I have told ye,
                  Don’t say ye’ve no’ been warned,
                  So don’t try it oot yersel’,
                  Or ye’ll soon be bein’ mourned.

                  – Stuart McLean

                • eppe

                  I actually know the great? grandson of Nash, interesting dude no less…
                  He has a company that makes these…

                  http://www.polarbearcoolers.com/

                  You know what to do….

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Grafique, very interesting poems. You’re a poet and I didn’t know it.

            • eppe

              As a rule, I don’t pass along these “add your name” lists that appear in emails, BUT this one is important. It has been circulating for months and has been sent to over 25 million people . We don’t want to lose any names on the list so just hit forward and send it on.

              Please keep it going!

              To show your support for President Obama please go to the end of the list and add your name.

              1. Michelle Obama.

              2.

              • eppe

                STAND-UP COMEDIANS, MORE THAN ANY OTHER GROUP, HAVE THEIR FINGERS IN THE WIND ACCURATELY DETECTING WHICH WAY IT IS BLOWING..

                You know the honeymoon is over when the comedians start.

                The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . ..
                and think 25 to life would be appropriate. –Jay Leno

                America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween
                mask. -Jay Leno

                Q: Have you heard about McDonald’s’ new Obama Value Meal?
                A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for
                it. -Conan O’Brien

                Q:What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
                A: A fund raiser. -Jay Leno

                Q: What’s the difference between Obama’s cabinet and a penitentiary?
                A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers, and threats to society.
                The other is for housing prisoners. –David Letterman

                Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
                A: America ! -Jimmy Fallon

                Q: What’s the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?
                A: Bo has papers. –Jimmy Kimmel

                Q: What was the most positive result of the “Cash for Clunkers” program?
                A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road. -David Letterman

            • lastmanstanding

              Why aren’t you set up there now?

              Too busy telling jokes and living in a paradigm that you can’t free your mind from because you make to much money.

              • eppe

                3 more mortgage payments, and my McMansion is paid for. Then I will be free to do what I want, but the real question, where are you in the game of life??? Money is just a situation you put yourself into, I have made enough to set myself free, where are you? And why do you even question me on where I am? I tell jokes to free myself from the bullshit yall put yourselves in, so you can have a laugh and see the situation you are in, and why are you worried with my life??? I am already set up, but you think you can question my life??? I will be setting pretty, when most of you are struggling just to keep your head above water??? It is people like you that have set yourselves in your own situation. Money is a thing that I do not worry about much such as you, if so you would not have commented… But I want to say, you are what makes you what you are, and yes I will get redded down, but the truth still stands, jokes are part of my life, and if it makes those posting have a smile in anyone’s life, I feel it has done good, because a smile in life is worth much good. Why do you care anyway??? Not wanting to be an asshole like others, but why did you even comment????? It takes time to get where you want to be, and I have placed myself in a situation that within 2 years time I am set up for 40 years… Where are you in the place you want to be??? Do you even know??? Or are you just floating around figuring out what you need to be in??? Why did you even comment on this??? I will be in my BOL by the first of the year 2015, and where are you, estimating out what is up or down? I do not have to explain my actions, only trying to wonder why people like you have not gotten ther shit together to get a life???? My jokes make many people smile, what do you do to make others smile??? You are the type of people who downgrade others to feel big, but I do not care, my pants are put on the same as yours, just mine are better fitted. By the way, what makes your shit not smell, I know mine does, every morning that I take a dump…..

                • Old GUY

                  Eppe I agree with you. Cracking jokes is something my wife and I enjoy doing. Too many folks take little things too seriously. So we joke about it. We becoming aged so We like to make jokes about when you lose body functions. Like You know your getting old when you can no longer trust a fart. of if im in the presence of lawyers I make lawyer jokes. Ect. And hurray for you for becoming debt free. I have been debt free and Beholden to no other man for many years. Dave Ramsey has a raido program that touts the debt free concept.keep posting thejokes.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        The Yellowstone Blows and they are all TOAST!!…No Thanks!

        • Nathan Cline

          Exactly. Did anyone see the news articles about the damn road melting at Yellowstone, just a few days ago? This is after we’ve been seeing increased earthquakes, the ground swelling faster than normal, etc. Something is going on there. This is one of several reasons I chose NOT to move to Montana and decided to return to the South. I believe Appalachia will be one of the safest places to be post-SHTF.

          • Calgagus

            Looks like were not alone.We are Appalachians, by location and heritage. Were all German/Scots-Irish. We are around family, family long gone and old neighbors where some would say theyre friends. Blood is thick in our clan and we stick together. We are where we need to be for many reasons and heres where we stay.

            The west is a vast open area but the culture is different than ours. Water and mineral rights are vastly different too. There are large missle defense installations out west. And areas that have SHTF problems like the Yellowstone caldera, other Pacific NW volcano activity, earthquakes, drought. Too many negatives for us just to have a low population density.

            I see why many are lured into the redoubt but theres been a migration there and it aint all cowboy land now w/ libs and yuppies. We dont want to be around either much less have to live by the rules they say. In my book theres too much doubt to relocate to the redoubt. So itll be a vacation destination if our retirement ever allows that. Right now for us, a vacation would be too dangerous due to distrust w/ govt and current events. Hope we get in a few nice trips out west but not counting on anymore w/ all thats been happening. Love to visit out there again and weve been to all the states but HI and AK.
            But were staying put and our small farm is our BOL. We know how to garden here. We know the seasons and the soil. We know the waterways and how to get lost in the forest. We have some bush skills and can camp primitive.
            So its our place or no place. What weve been building is a BIL and thats where we invest our time, energy, money.

            • Nathan Cline

              I’d thought about moving to Colorado since they legalized pot there (I’m in the industry and it would be nice to practice my craft without persecution), but after thinking about the number of valuable military installations around there (i.e. targets), and the vast underground complex aka headquarters of Satan himself being right there under the Denver airport, I decided it would be better to stay as far away from that place as possible.

              • eppe

                What do you think of investing ‘speculative’ monies in pot stocks? Like EERB,HEMP,MJNA, etc????
                Any suggestions????

                • eppe

                  ERBB, FAT FINGERS….

                • talon1776

                  I am invested in ERBB.. If it weren’t for market manipulators…it would be trading over a dollar…I am long in the stock…but I believe the market will implode before I see it come to its full price per share potential…but I do like American Green…it represent Freedom and Liberty in the pursuit of happiness..

                  Live Free or Die
                  Talon1776

                • eppe

                  Talon, we are in the same crowd, I think in TIME, these stocks will explode, that meaning I am betting they will go up 10000% in time, just wish Jawja would come on line quicker, I have some friends who want to go this direction, which I see will happen soon, they are trying to figure out where to go in the future. We know it will happen, all 50 states will be in the game, so I have placed myself to be there, since it is happening now, soon to be in all 50 states. MAY WE ALL PROFIT FROM THINKING AHEAD…
                  IT IS A NATURAL PLANT WHICH GOD SAID WE SHOULD USE…

                • eppe

                  Talon, are you playing any others?

                • talon1776

                  eppe…it’s hard to gauge the movement of any of these MJ holdings. I notice that they fluctuate in a very narrow range and are most likely market manipulated by short sellers(day traders). I do not have any other holdings…but I do my DD from this site
                  http://marijuanastocks.com/content/list-marijuana-stocks
                  Without a clear position on banking from the Feds…MJ stocks will stay in this range of a few penny moves in either direction…with a few exceptions.,one being CBDS…which rose steadily this pass week…although pricey at $9.75 pps. ERBB has a agreement with GW Pharma which is a large Canadian Pharmaceutical company to market and distribute their products through the Zazzz vending machine. It remains to be seen on many fronts if American Green can deliver on numerous agreements with other MJ partnerships it has formed and some acquisitions it has made as of late. One stock to watch IMHO is LATF…still a sub penny…but continues to have good revenues. I hope you and I as well as others who take risk profit hugely…the question is..do we have the time?

                • Nathan Cline

                  Waste of time and money, because these companies aren’t going to do shit to innovate anything in the herb industry. The true innovators aren’t out there doing their damnedest to be the first publicly traded stocks, they are in their gardens and “labs” coming up with new innovations that will revolutionize everything. The pot industry is in its early, primitive stages, and most of the “big” players today will be forgotten nobodies tomorrow.

      • OutWest

        With all due respect to the authors of these
        bug out locations, they are geared toward the
        yuppies from the cities.
        The prices of the houses they advertise and
        their access to the amenities of the modern
        world are not to be confused with roughing it.

        Going off the grid is not a game. If they are
        going to give it a try they will find out that
        their one lone job skill that sustained them
        in the city will be wholly inadequate to keep
        them going in an isolated environment. I don’t
        mean to be a wet blanket, but nature does not
        suffer either the weak or the foolish.

        • .02

          Right you are Outwest, Sandpoint and Coeurdalene are so kalifornikated it is pathetic. I was building the bridge in Dover a few years ago and watched the traffic for 4 months while there and it is a bunch of long grey hairs driving BMWs. The same people that fvked up their state fleeing into and fvking up another.

          • Unreconstructed Southron

            And telling you it’s for your own good while they do it.

            • clinthospo

              This is not a response just my case, move anywhere where there is no gangs or many cultures. Being white Id move to the midwest where the towns are smaller and your away from mass highways and traffic etc but still have water and food resources. Many will live in south to grow food year round, but Im in the midwest under Minnesota. We have low crime and good people. Cedar Rapids Iowa is not bad. Clean air and water. Only one Nuke plant thats north out of the way and one of the cleanest in the USA. We have freezing cold temps in the winter but most people will try and help each other. The smaller gangs will end up dead in our town without a doubt. Thats good times. We don’t need trouble in our lives and let them eliminate themselves so we don’t have to waste and lead. I really think at night when I read this about all of you. Some are single females older in age but live in small towns as well and I believe people will try and help each other without trying to restrict peoples motives. Many will be very nervous with people carrying guns around but guess what this is America and you have to take a chance. I can see the feminists in groups trying to help getting very very nervous or even acting out with anger with people having weapons in a collapse. These people are die hard liberals and not the nasty ones. But they still might get a bullet to the head. Just kidding.

              • The Old Coach

                I’m with you clinthospo – Iowa, even though it has far too many liberals already, is good bug-out country. Lived and worked in Minneapolis about year 2000, and studied it pretty carefully. For Long Term Collapse, don’t be too far from the main rivers, because they will become the only trade and communications routes. Think the 1700s and 1800s. Living completely away from all human trade and communication is possible, but it ain’t much of a life. Also liked the Coulee Country of western Wisconsin. The Dakotas are interesting, but the Red River flows to Hudson’s Bay. Me, Ian canoe to the Ohio, and that’s all I’ll say here.

          • Calgagus

            The area in Coeur has polluted waterways, from mining. Dont know about the rest of you but Id rather have metals in a shiny stack not in my body killing me.

            • Warchild Dammit!

              Rather my metal comes from speakers,Maiden/Crue/Halen ect.!

        • the renegade braveheart

          OutWest, I’ve looked at some of those properties on SurvivalRealty.com, one of Rawles’ sites. Nice properties, but priced way the hell out of my league. As I said in my earlier post, I had a bad experience in Coeur D’Alene when I travelled through there back in 2000. I didn’t feel welcome there at the time and wouldn’t feel welcome there now. I’ll stick with the South, thank you.

          • Tacoma

            BH which part of the south.

            • the renegade braveheart

              Currently in Memphis, but will bugout to GA eventually.

              • Unreconstructed Southron

                Jawjuh’s got a lot of places to hold out.

          • The Old Coach

            They are priced crazy, which is why they write articles like this, and sucker Mac into publishing them. Marketing, marketing, marketing.

          • CraigW

            And I’m sure most of us NOT from the South wouldn’t be welcome there either!

            • sixpack

              I can fit in almost anywhere, where they respect decency and morals. Anywhere that will give me a chance to earn trust and prove myself worthy of it…meaning I could never get by in Detroit, Washington DC, NY or So. California, or any other liberal/leftist strongholds.

              • Tacoma

                Head for the southland.

              • Grafique

                Sixpack, you’d always be welcome in my Redoubt.

                • sixpack

                  Thanks.

                • eppe

                  6, you are welcome here in the south, you sound like one I would let hang with me in Jawja, just a long trip from the NW… Too bad the FOB has signed off, she would be welcome too. Where or what happened to JayJay, she seems to have disappeared, but she is welcome too, age is wisdom in my book…
                  I have always thought that the older people have knowledge that is priceless, and cannot be replicated by anyone else…

                • sixpack

                  Eppe, my Daddy was born in a holler in Kentucky, lived in Gallatin TN. I’m a little familiar with how things get done around them parts, thanks.

        • Nathan Cline

          Well said OutWest. On a similar note, I just got involved in an argument with some young naive fools on one of the Anarcho-Capitalist groups on Facebook. The topic was, “your thoughts on expatriation.” In this thread many people shared their fantasies of moving to Chile, Thailand, or other exotic foreign locales. It’s like they fully expected the grass is greener on the other side and they are one plane ticket away from living happily ever after.

          I asked them, do you REALLY want to be an American foreigner who just showed up in a foreign country to crowd these people off their women and land, during World War 3, when trade is shut off, resources are limited, and people are starving? Not only would you be in danger from jealous local men, but in the highly likely event that a power like China or Russia were to invade that country, you will have a big target on your back to be imprisoned or executed.

          You should have seen the whining from these ignorant assholes who called me every name in the book then banned me for daring to shit on their fairy tale dreams.

          The sad fact is, most people just don’t want to hear the truth. They will become fixated on some idea like north Idaho or Montana or whatever, and no logical argument you can possibly make will help them to see the flaws in their plan.

          Personally I WOULD NOT want to be northern anywhere during a nuclear winter, or after a Yellowstone eruption. But that’s just me; I tend to think and consider all factors before jumping to conclusions.

          Lots of wake up calls are coming to a lot of people.

          • .02

            Truth is not very popular is it Nate?

      • Tacoma

        Nowhere

      • wrong

        Your safe where you make yourself safe. This is bullshit! You don’t need to move to some other state to be safe. The American Redoubt? Bunch of crap….. I’m tired of hearing about the “safest” state. There aren’t any. Who the hell has the money to move to some other location to be in a better, safer state? That’s like telling yourself if you have a bigger gun you’ll be safer. Learn how to survive where you live.

        • OutWest

          Yes sir.

        • Anonymous

          Not true. Try living in a state like Illinois.

          • The Old Coach

            Well, I’d consider parts of Sillynoise to be pretty good, assuming Rule of Law has broken down so the Chicago thugs no longer hold sway. Say, down in the Little Egypt area?

            • The Old Coach

              Lots of places there where those MRAPS can’t go, too. Too many bridges that can’t take 60,000 lbs, and off-road they’ll get mired in before they’ve gone 100 yards.

              Makes me think about bayou country. No shortage of water or food, and damned hard for outsiders to access. Of course, if you try to move there now, you better already have family in the area.

        • slingshot

          Where I am at there are Plenty of Bugs that bite the shit out of you. Then the bite itches and burns. You swell up like a watermelon. If you not careful you can catch all sorts of germs that can kill you. Yellow flies and spiders, gnats and mosquitos as big as a quarter.

          I kid you not! It can get real hot and muggy.

          Not many will stick around when the air condition goes out.

          Come on down you Closet Yankee’s. You will be wishing for snow before its all over.

          • The Old Coach

            Alexander the Great tried to invade India, but his army died of disease. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.

            • sixpack

              Yeah, stay home and work with what you’ve got.

          • The Old Coach

            And snakes. Don’t forget snakes.

            • wrong

              And big spiders! Yuck!!!!

            • sixpack

              Snakes make wonderful shish-kabob meat…they’re free and fairly easy to catch.

              • Tacoma

                Never have eaten a snake.Plenty of rattlers where I am from. Some of them big enough to puke up a full grown deer.

                • Anonymous

                  might be slightly overstated. Cm on now

              • Grafique

                I chicken-fried a rattlesnake once. A little chewy, but tolerable.

                • sixpack

                  Do them like crawdads, boiled with a touch of your favorite beer in the water, then dipped in garlic butter…

          • Night Breaker

            Sling shot ,
            Sounds a lot like southern New Jersey , the misquito is the state bird!
            Salt water marsh misquito’s will drive every one away they are VERY aggressive and bite in the day time. We also have courtesy of our southeast Asian adventure the Asian Tiger Misquito than came here in the early 1970’s from McGuire Airbase in a load of tires from Vietnam they liked the climate and reproduced rapidly. Any Vets from that era will tell you how much a PIA they are , bite right thru BDU’s . Best place where I live , Dense Cedar Swamps wet nasty , bug infested , snakes , just inland from the salt water marshes. It’s like a northern bayou.
            Get yourself a Clark Jungle hammock and your good to go in the summer for bug out .

            RESIST

            Semper Fi 8541

            • slingshot

              Night Breaker.

              On the subject of bugs. I was introduced to hog hunting about 30 years ago. Being on private land we hunted them all year round because of the destruction they can do. You could catch them on a road sometimes but mostly had to go into the wetlands to get them.
              Being a Tenderfoot at the time I quickly became familiar with ticks, chiggers, spiders, scorpions and mosquitos. Those Asian Tigers are bad but there is a new boy in town which about the size of a quarter. There is also another Recluse Spider that is more poisonous than the one we have now.
              Step on one of those fire Ant hills or pick up a log with carpenter ants in it and see what happens. How many would know what a saddleback caterpillar is?
              I do poke fun at people about all the bugs. I do not know how many times I have looked down at an insect and said, What the hell is that?
              Look up Cow Killer/ Velvet Ant. It is not an ant but a ground Wasp.

              • Anonymous

                Unfortunately, bugs and diseases are going to get worse as the climate heats up. Humans do not fare well in hot climates; unfortuantely, insects proliferate during hotter weather!

                • Dixon

                  You are nuts, do you know that?

              • eppe

                Sling, in the 60’s, we had those velvet ants. I once took a stick and pinned one down to the ground. It made some very nasty loud grunts until I let it loose. Pissy insects, and I heard if they bite, very painful…. I have even seen a female one with wings, scary looking critters…
                Try it sometime, see what I mean….

              • BBStacker

                Got Rocky Mountain spotted fever last year from a tick bite. Lost 30 pounds in 3 weeks and couldn’t walk. Still have some lingering joint pain. Definitely wouldn’t want to go through that during a shtf event.

                • eppe

                  BB, Take all the natural herbs that detoxify and clean up your blood, sasafrass, enchichina?, etc. look it up, I went thru this with a bad kidney, and you need to research as much as possible on natural herbs to clean up your body…
                  It will improve the crap you are going thru…
                  Hope you get better, it is a rough gig to go thru without doctors, but they are full of shit….

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              @Nt Breaker- Yea I picked up the Clark Jungle Hammock, Camo 4 season with the noseum netting. Awesome Hammock About $400 and Lt weight. Living here in FL, there is something crawling everywhere. And I would not want to be sleeping on the ground, where it is all crawling. Hang it as high as you can and still crawl in at night. I also have a smaller day net hammock to hang just below and under my Jungle hammock, to set my bug out bag or rifle on to also keep it off the ground in case it rains or critters. And hang my separate food pack suspended 20ft in the air, with a rope off a tree 20 -30 yards away when sleeping at night. Rock on!! See ya in the end zone!!

              • Night Breaker

                WWT,
                Sounds like you got the same model as mine NX250 , got enought room to toss my pack in the foot with me . Around here our most worry is rabid skunks and Ticks. You guys down in FLA have to contend with Coral Snakes and cotton mouths , nasty stuff. The hammock can be used for 4 seasons , I prefer in winter when nothing is out and about to use my Kifaru Paratarp with annex and Kifaru Parastove I have used it down to 15 D. F with a MSS system and have remained toasty , total weight 5.5 lbs once you use a heated shelter in winter you will never go back. It never gets that cold where you are so you are good to go. You can set up anywhere there is support and can be put up and taken down rapidly , I use a carabiner and two rappelling rings for the suspension and with python straps by kammock as tree wraps . You can fasten a funnel to the tarp corners to drain into platapus bottles to get rain water for filtering, henessey makes. a kit that can be modified to work with the clark the weight also helps to keep the tarp taunt.

                I agree with hanging the food with 550 cord in a dry bag , do not want to become a bear taco.
                Still have a henessey Explorer deluxe but prefer the Clark it’s more versital.
                I always keep my weapon on me on safe in hostile territory and I keep the PVS-14 in the inside hammock pocket with a red photon mini light suspended on 550 card above. Hanging is definately the way to go in the warmer months. I have even weathered a severe thunderstorm in the Clark with a tarp canopy and remained dry. Quality gear and worth the price.

                Slingshot ,
                I think I saw one of those mosquito you are talking about and I learned at an early age not to pick up those Velvet ants ! Thank God we do not have to deal with fire ants this far north , seen a guy when I was in the service during rifle qualification ( we got sent to work with Rangers with big green at Fort Stewart GA ) go prone on one of those rocks he didn’t stay down long ! He Ended up spending the night in the infirmary , learned a lesson by observing others then LOL!

                Semper Fi 8541

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  @Nt Breaker – Sounds like you have a well thought out plan, and gear set up.. Yes, in the wild in Florida you need a hammock, and hang it higher than an alligator can jump. I also do a lot of back water kayaking in the back bays and mangrove swamps and mangrove tunnels through and under the canopy. You can walk on the mangrove roots, pull the kayak up into tie if off for the tidal flows, and hang a hammock in the mangroves. With a little camo cover, one could hide back in there for years. Lots of food supply with snaring raccoons, birds, collecting oysters, trapping blue crabs, fishing for snook, spotted sea-trout, hang those Yo-Yo fishing reels on branches over hanging the water with fiddler crabs that climb all over the mangrove roots. I have no doubt I could survive back in there for years. The negative, is Noseums come night time will eat you alive though, so a slightly smokey fire may keep them away. For good survival in a Bug Out you want to go where nobody else will dare, like the back rivers where the Gators sit on the banks watching you go by. Find some high ground and hangout. I have been scouting out some great places in my area in the back bays and remote navigable river country. The last thing you want to do is cling to the masses of refugees wandering around on the highways with no destination. That will be a death sentence. Within walking distance from my house, I can tow my kayak with wheels on the bottom to the salty brine water of the Gulf of Mexico in 3 minutes. I could take off at nighttime, with my BOB and gear, and be off to some remote island or mangrove spoil island in a few hours. Also pick up those camo pattern mylar thermal covers that will block out heat sensitive IR Thermal imaging and attach that to the roof of your hammock. They are sold with camo print on them. (Amazon) I have seen IR Thermal Resistant Tents for about $800, but then for some reason they disappeared from the internet. Probably Military spec. As the LEO choppers want to own the night, with spotting refugees trying to hide in the woods. Camo is not enough, as People need to understand their heat signature footprint. Yes, I need Night vision and or IR Thermal imaging, its on my wish list. Right now I will have to stick with my 1st Gen Night vision. My flashlight. lol Full Moon last night, it looked almost like daytime out there.

                • Anonymous

                  Speaking of ants… my brother used to step on ants when we were younger. I used to think he was mean. When I was grown, I got bitten a lot by ants at this one house I lived at. Now I step on them too! 😉

                • slingshot

                  When I was young I took my dad’s claw hammer and started smashing ants on the side walk. Killed the ants and put chips marks all over the walkway.

                  Guess you know what happened,

            • PO'd Patriot

              NB, been through the southern marshes portion of NJ. Took that route home a couple of years ago after staying a couple of days in Cape May. Reminded me of where I live. The mosquitos here are referred to as “air sharks” cause of their size. I once watched as two of them gang raped a turkey while I was hunting one spring day. Glad I had camo on and they didn’t see me.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Even here in Florida, the key is to get to high ground and away from the moisture of water, which will greatly reduce your exposure to mosquitoes and noseums. Noseums are small and can get through regular screen and bite like a muther. I did learn a good trick when camping in the FL Keys, by the water. Noseums are attracted to light. I would use and turn on my battery Coleman lantern in the tent, wait 5 mins, till the noseums covered the lantern light, and then slowly carry the lantern outside the tent, then turn off the lantern, as I just escorted many noseums out of my tent. Then go back in the tent and repeat. Want to practice your bug out plan? Just go camping, make the mistakes during practice, so when the real SHTF, you are already dialed in, and can focus on what is necessary.

                • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                  WWTI, what have you not done, sounds like you walk on water?

                • anonymous

                  Yes, and not only that, the prick has nothing to do all day but post his stupid comments here. I’d tell the fucking idiot to get a life, but it’s WAY too late for that now……….

        • N2theRepublic

          I must partially disagree. Certainly, you are only as safe as you make yourself, wherever you are. However, some locations are inherently less directly affected by happenings. I would MUCH rather be in a more sparsely populated area that has many natural resources available, than be in a heavily populated area lacking in these resources when something major occurs. The chances of me having to forcefully defend myself and family, or having to deal with refugees from an event, drops in direct proportion to the distance from the more heavily populated areas.

        • CraigW

          Who the hell has the money to move to another state? Well, the people who have the money to move to another state, I guess. I’m always amused by people who think everyone is a poor as they are.

          • wrong

            What is poor? Is being poor have only to do with money? I don’t think so….

            • Stormin

              I just checked out the site. I see properties less than 100K and properties in the millions. Do people think houses are free?

              • Tacoma

                Yeah they are free if you are from south of the border.

            • PO'd Patriot

              “Somebody told us that Wall Street fell, but we were so poor that we couldn’t tell”……

              Alabama- “Song of the South”

        • hammerhead

          Im with ya on that @ Wrong ,
          What happens when al “survival” minded patriot types move into the same area ?
          LOL , A dream come true for the fed gov !
          Containment of these so called “insurgents” will be easy.
          I wonder how much people consider that the biggest threat to thier well being isnt from Russia or China , the biggest threat is the US government .
          The threats to safety and liberty that we face in the US are from WITHIN .
          Look no further than the importation of disease infested south americans , But i guess they cant get a bus ticket to idaho .

          • Old Guy

            All the Jews congregated in a gated community called a judefed. they thought that would protect them from others. that made it very easy to find them and round them up.

          • sixpack

            Oh, you mean Northern Idaho doesn’t have any big low income housing complexes for busloads of illegals?

            I’d love to get out of Oregon.

            • Dejavous

              With all the earthquakes firing up and the Yellowstone going hot – everything west of mid-Texas is either going to be covered in ash or bone dry from drought. My pick for the safest location would be east of the New Madrid fault by a few hundred miles and south of the Mason Dixon line. If you do not know anyone living in that area already – make friends with someone who does and form a plan to get there and help with planting and opsec on a long term basis – over a year or two. Also check out where the nuclear plants are located for they will probably go hot from unattendence and lack of backup fuel in the chaos causing melt downs. There are 124 nuclear power plants across the U.S. that can melt down. THINK!!! Seriously consider all these variables and the future of what will happen when and after the balloon goes up.

              • PO'd Patriot

                I got news for folks. If the grid goes down and the 124 nuke plants start melting down, we’re all gonna look like ice cream cones on a hot summer day.

                • eppe

                  Glowing ice cream, that is a picture I would NOT want to experience…

        • Da Yooper

          Articles about safe places make me laugh

        • wrong

          I see part of the problem with people in general is that they always think the grass is greener over the fence. It’s just not true. The mentally that “If I just had that new car, everything would be better” or If I just had that new ??? I would be safer or happier” is wrong and is one of the major problems that Americans have. And one of the reasons we’re in such a screwed up mess. DESIRE WHAT YOU HAVE! Survival, happiness and life in general are what you make of it. Attitude. The Lord puts us in a place for a reason. Don’t try and think you know better than He does. Look around you and think about how blessed we really are. Make the best of what you are and have now.

          • Anonymous

            Wrong, you are so right! Thanks for your wise words!

        • Mark

          Wrong, u r Right! :-))

          • Anonymous

            Anon and Mark

            Thanks. It’s taken me years to figure that out myself. I give credit to my lovely wife of 30 years for helping me to figure it out.

      • TPSnodgrass

        I am firmly in the camp that NO PLACE, on Earth at present, is truly safe. We can make our areas safer, but life has no guarantees at all. Not trying to be cynical or on a rant, we make or break where we are. Hang in there.

        • sixpack

          No place is safe, because there is no place to hide from our own government. We can out-distance ourselves from hungry people and the average thief, but we can’t get away from the high-tech toys of the elites.

          For me, street thugs are a secondary worry.

          • Anonymous

            Yep, only way to do it, Sixpack, is practice what the frenchmen did during the French Revolution: “off with their heads!” Then THEY will be afraid of us and things will be OK again!

            • Anonymous

              But that would make us like ISIS so maybe its not a good idea!

              • talon1776

                When it comes to Liberty and Freedom…who cares about labels or whom you look like..it’s the message sent that matters..you think the other side has any moral qualms about what they look like…get real…they will be intensely brutal without mercy and thorough.

        • .02

          Being alive is deadly.

      • Tacoma

        Eppe there will be no safe place.This guy is trying to sell real estate

        • The Old Coach

          Yupper. Mac has taken the bait, and published a marketing piece as editorial material.

          OTOH it gives us all a chance to chime in with more rational content.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Coach,seems they are a advertiser as they are on top of page with other advertisers.Nothing wrong with Mac making a living and as you said article has brought forth a lot of ideas for better/worse areas in folks opinion and other things like pumps/travel bags ect.

            • The Old Coach

              I give Mac full credit for letting us post as much criticism as we have. I have been “red-carded” on another site for pointing out in the mildest of terms that a certain advertiser’s product is inferior to one made by a non-advertiser, which my professional credentials made me more than qualified to do. Needless to say that site is not getting my eyeballs anymore.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            When the Guy that writes the Article also has the same last name as the Survey Rater who gives it a 5-star rating. No conflict of interest there eh? lol Then provides a direct link to Sales rep who happens to sell the 5 star property. Ever go to one of those vacation time share seminars just for the free TV? lol I enjoyed a million dollar condo in Key West one time for a weekend just for the cost of the hotel taxes, but had to listen to a 1 hour speech by a sales lady. Then I said, “No thanks.” Then went drinking on Duval St. lol

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              Maybe you should have stayed on Duval St?
              Once we have ‘global warming’ you will be underwater.
              Surely an improvement on your part.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                Hey WWsuckit. Yes I have been around and am quite adventurous, and never shy away from a challenge to better myself or learning. I hope my tips that I have experienced can help you when SHTF. This is what this blog is about. Your profile name explains you quite well as you offer nothing but babble.

      • RW

        Everyone is out to make a dollar on this relocation thing even to the bitter end….
        Money is truly the Root of All Evil.

        • PO'd Patriot

          Its “The LOVE of money” being the root of all evil. Money in itself is not evil. You can’t serve God and Mammon, you’ll love one and hate the other. And that pretty much pertains to anything you put before God. Thumb strum away…………

      • Anonymous

        What if you are an older woman (not old!) but recently became eligible for early social security benefits, had been self employed, and no loved ones close by. Does it mean your goose is cooked? (no savings).

        • sixpack

          No, it means you have to improvise, adapt and overcome.

          It means you have to get creative in getting what you need/want.

          You only lose when you give up trying.

        • Archivist

          You can keep on being self-employed. I think they allow up to about $14,000 per year without cutting benefits. Of course, what they don’t know won’t hurt them.

          • Dixon

            Yes, but now we know, dummy….

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          RE Question: Should you Start Collecting Social Security Early at 62.5 or waiting till like 70+ for the higher monthly payout?? I put together an entire spread sheet calculating what I would collect back overall if I started drawing a lesser amount at 62 or waiting for the higher amount 10+ yrs later. Both of these income benefit curves intersected at about the ripe old age of 87 years old when the payouts were equal. If you plan on living way longer than 87 year old, it may be to your advantage to wait till 70 or later to start drawing. Other wise start drawing as soon as you can, even if it is a lesser amount. I calculated all the males in my family and went back 5 generations to see what the average age was when they died, or lived to, and it came in at 87 coincidentally. However, as we see our Government going bankrupt I figured that I would start drawing right at 62.5 yrs old anyway, and get that full decade of income now. And if you have been married to a spouse who dies before 62 Yrs old, the surviving spouse should start drawing on their spouses Social Security benefits and let their own personal SS benefits max out over 70, then switch over when it Maxes and start drawing off your own benefits. Lots of people do not understand how this works and you could be cheating yourself out of the best SS benefit plan payout. The Government will always try to convince you to wait longer to collect, and hope you die before you collect a dime. And once you start drawing, you can’t change your mind and switch back. So pay attention.

          • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

            Hopefully you will be dead soon.

            • anonymous

              I second THAT motion WHOLEHEARTEDLY!

      • Ugly

        On earth, the true safe spot is the one you know the best….

      • The Last of the Real

        The grave. None of us are making it out of life alive. The act of living is simply an eventually futile attempt at staying alive. Me? I like high risk exercises. I see it as, I already know I have to die at some point…may as well do something worthwhile before it happens. I realized a while ago you can’t really live until you lose your fear of death.

    2. Warchild Dammit!

      Will draw a line in the sand for better or worse in the hampster,left my birth state due to govt. insanity,tis as far as I am willing to give.Me dad on the other hand is seriously considering out of country,while I respect his decision,once again,have been pushed as far as I am going to go,push and find my back is against the wall with nothing to lose and a attitude of a rabid weasel.

      • eppe

        Just hope the toilet does not overflow…

    3. watching and waiting

      No where will be safe.

      People, world wide are under estimating the extent and volume of geographical earth changes that are upon us.

      No, I am not speaking about Global Warming, Al Gore thing, bless his heart.

      The best place is the place you already know.

      I would not relocate to another country, well…..maybe Canada, but no where else…… only if there was no other choice.

      Does anybody have any idea how much the world hates us since Obama came into office? look at the spy scandals.

      That is just my opinion……

      • Anonymous

        It seems really odd to me that many people equate the issue of global warming to Al Gore. Its as if that is the first time many people ever heard of it. (??!!) I’ve read numerous books by many different climate scientists, including the very foremost ones, and also books by geologists (oil men) who realized the reality of global warming, and all sorts of experts. and national geographic magazines, etc. Is that all the experience you people have on global warming? Al Gore’s speeches? How pathetic! Poor old Al Gore was trying to do something positive and everyone hates him for it, and laughs at him for it. Global warming was not invented by Al Gore!!

        • Archivist

          Algore was trying to do something positive for his bank accounts. If he was trying to help the environment, he wouldn’t be living in a mansion using ten times as much electricity as the rest of us, or have three widescreen TV monitors on his desk for his computer, or fly jets all over the world. He invented the carbon credit scam. He keeps pushing the global warming scam in spite of all evidence to the contrary. Global average temps have been pretty level since the 1990s. The hottest summer on record was back in the 1930s.

          They were talking about global warming back then. The tide turns about every 40 years. There was cooling in the 1890s, warming in the 1930s, cooling in the 1970s, and warming in the 2000s. Over 100 years of climate alarmism and we still have polar ice caps (in fact record levels), and the oceans haven’t risen (or else water would be coming into my back yard.

          They said the oceans would rise three feet and flood coastal cities, including New York City. Actually most of New York City is way above the three-foot level. Even a 30-foot rise wouldn’t flood all of New York City.

          Temperatures go up. Temperatures go down. Precipitation increases and it decreases. We could actually grow more food if the average temps did increase some.

          When I was growing up, you didn’t see every little aberration in the weather trumpeted on the news. You can check the records and see that there were many extremes, but we never heard much about them. My area would get hit by a hurricane, and it wouldn’t even be mentioned on the national news. Of course, the national news was only 15 minutes long, including commercials.

          We had many more days above 100 in the late 1950s than we’ve ever had since then. There were many records set then that have yet to be broken. We also had some record cold weather. One February night in 1958 had a record low for my area that has never been broken.

          It seems that every time it gets a little warm, people start saying it’s the hottest it’s ever been. Actually, they’re wrong. I can remember when I was younger just sitting still in the house and sweat was running off of me. I have the weather records for my area going back to the 1930s and can see that we haven’t had any hot weather to compare with the 1930s and 1950s.

          Yes, Algore didn’t invent global warming (or anything else), but he sure is trying to wring every penny he can out of the scam.

          • eppe

            Funny, we always called it ‘seasons’…

            • Anonymous

              Funny, you don’t know the difference between climate and weather. (Seasons have to do with weather). Ignorance is not applaudable!

              • eppe

                Clap, clap clap….
                Golf clap, clap, clap….
                You probably are an Al Gore believer….

              • Grafique

                I do know the difference between “climate” and “weather”.

                You claim there’s “climate change”.
                Well, then, show me ONE climate that’s changed!
                Show me where a tropical climate has become temperate.
                Show me where an arctic climate has become tropical.
                Show me where a desert has become rainforest or vice versa.
                Show me where any climatic zone on the earth has changed from one climate to another.

                You can’t – because there is no “climate change”.

                The “global warming” alarmists say that severe weather events will increase as “global warming” continues, but –
                Antarctica has just set a record for coldest temperature since record-keeping began.

                America just finished its QUIETEST tornado season on record.

                America is in the midst of its QUIETEST fire season on record.

                It’s been NINE YEARS since a major hurricane hit the U.S.

                Of all the Big Nanny Government hoaxes designed to panic the sheep, “global warming” tops the list. The “global warming” movement is full of communists and leftists.

                • eppe

                  Glad to see some here with COMMON SENSE….

          • Anonymous

            Archives, what you said was a lie– don’t know if intentional or not– but the hottest average temperature was NOT back in the thirties… and yes, temp rise and temperatures fall. That is called weather. Weather is not climate. Look it up. CLimate is over-all global temperature. There is only 2 degrees temperature difference in the global temperature we have today and the global average temperatures during the last ice age. So a small amount of change in GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURES is not insignificant.

            Its not a matter of “a small amount of change in temperatures people start talking about global warming.” Incorrect assumption on your part. THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING!! Humans have never lived during a time when there were no ice caps! The ice caps are what keeps our planet at a hospitable temperature… no ice caps and it heats up rapidly! According to the US Navy, as well as top climate scientists, the summer sea ice at the north pole will have completely melted away by around 2016. Do you have any idea what this means?

            There was this experiment performed on TV with a bunson burner. They placed a small amount of snow in it and set it over the fire. As long as there was even a small amount of snow in the bunson burner, it kept the temperature cool in the bunson burner. But when the last little smudge of snow melted, the temperature heated up RAPIDLY– immediateley! inside the flask. Now, what do you think will happen to us when the ice caps are gone? And if you don’t even realize they are melting, for God’s sake, look it up!!!! You people are so pathetic when it comes to global warming, its unbelievable!

            And that is only one aspect of the situation! There are trillions of tons of methane in the permafrost located at the north pole. (Permafrost is permanently frozen ground, thats been frozen for millions of years). Methane is 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide as a green house gas. Guess what? The permafrost is defrosting!!! Why? Because the north pole area is heating up about 10 times faster than the rest of the planet. When that methane starts leaking out in earnest, there is no way we can put it back so our goose (or our children’s goose) will be cooked!

            • slingshot

              Everything the government has told us is a LIE.

              Inflation.
              Unemployment.
              Immigrations.
              Gun Control.
              I.R.S.
              Obamacare.

              Including Global Warming. Replace Global Warming with our Energy Plan.
              Besides Russia and China and all those third world country’s have been belching CO2 and SO2 with no restrictions. Oh! We have to lead the way. No Coal up north for the electric plants . Freeze your asses off. Like I said, Do Gooders on somebody’s else’s back.

              When I hear Al Gore, I vote for Hillary. Going to pop this sucker like a BIG ZIT.

              • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                Anon is so full of it, it is stupid shit.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  WWSI = Troll. Go play somewhere else.

            • Archivist

              There’s more ice in Antarctica now. Algore said the icecaps would be gone by now. Also, check your geography. There is no permafrost at the north pole. The north pole is over water. So I guess your methane theory is wrong. You should know that the most important greenhouse gas is water vapor.

              The raw temperature data has been fiddled with beyond belief, not just here but around the world. Also, there has been no accounting for the fact that so many weather reporting stations have become surrounded by developments which create heat islands. Some of the official stations have been found to be located next to AC units and other artificial sources of heat.

              I guess you believe the “hockey stick” graph that said temperatures were flat for 10,000 years and then suddenly skyrocketed in the 1990s. Actually, if you look at the carbon dioxide vs. temperature graph that the global warming crowd was using, you will see that the temperature changed before the carbon dioxide changed. In other words, warming causes carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way around.

              I do not lie. I failed to say that the hottest year on record was for the United States. The 1930s was the hottest decade on record in the US, using the original temperature readings, not the “adjusted” ones.

              As I have said before, it’s pure arrogance to think that humans can change the whole world’s climate. Of course, you’re probably one of the people who think that George Bush steered Katrina into New Orleans.

    4. Cellar Spider

      Fantastic article and very informative. Very well written. I enjoyed it very much. Thanks.

    5. jerryrbg

      I say this reluctantly because I know the intentions of the people involved are of the highest caliber, I can feel it and I don’t want to put anyone on the spot…

      Serious relocation to anywhere to be safe from what is staring us in the face should have been done a decade ago… minimum…that is, to give you the ability to establish, not only the “homestead” but the bonding with the locals. Without that “bonding”, you won’t succeed.
      Unless of course, you have hundreds of thousands of the frn’s laying about…and you don’t know what to do with them…and you “buy” your way in or start your own country…

      Either way, we’re long past that stage…and should be concentrating on short term survival…
      Because it’s at the door, or more accurately, at the border…

      God help us all!

      • jerrytbg

        Gee…I could change my moniker…nah…I’ll keep the old one. 🙂

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        I wonder why the preppers who lived there, are now selling their property? lol. Thus the 2nd wave? 3rd wave?

        • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

          When you are underwater, talk to us again.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            WWSI= Miserable Troll, who lives under a bridge.

            • anonymous

              Not the same bridge YOU live under, is it?

    6. .02

      I left North Idaho (boundary county) in the 90’s because that place sucks. Non government intrusion? GIVE ME A BREAK! The police in Idaho are truly Nazi Storm troopers. Have an extra income tax while you are at it for more enslaving bureaucrats on top of 6% sales tax across the board with already outlandish food prices. I spent 42 years there so I think I have a right to disagree with this OP. Oh and here is some more great things about N Idaho, wood ticks.. LOTS of them with Lyme disease, mosquitos from hell, horseflies, deer flies, no seeums, and 30 below zero winters. wolves running in packs killing everything that moves and grizzly bears with more rights than you have. Shoot one in self defense and see what happens. I was up there burying a long time childhood friend last fall and the place is getting WAY to crowded and this article is not going to help. I would not consider N Idaho until at least a year after SHTF and the Border Patrol, Forest Service, US Immigration, US Customs, and all the left over spooks from the Christopher Boyce mess and Ruby Ridge Fiasco are cleaned out. My wife is also from the area and told me she will divorce me before she moves back there. I would only consider going back there to establish a jump off spot to hightail it into Canada. But again, after a year of the EMP, it would be a possibility as the masses will be cleared out and it is my old stomping grounds.

      • Nopittypartyhere

        Govt owns ALL water rights as well, it i recall. Even private ponds.

        • Stan522

          And that may mean something depending upon how far shit crumbles.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            I don’t know if I would want to live in a small community where everybody living there is an armed to the teeth paranoid prepper from someplace else. I prefer the dumbed down area are where I live, and where nobody has more than a few days of groceries. Within a week they will all be dead or moved out to their relatives place. And then the entire neighborhood is mine. Something to think about. Like who on your block or area has any clue or even knows what prepping is? DHS will just drive down my street and laugh, and then move on. No threat here.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          Don’t understand why someone would down thumb. In Idaho the state claims all rights to water, and I think I would want to be aware of hat given that there is a DROUGHT.

      • Malfador

        So where do you live now. I lived on the east coast for 42 years and Northern Idaho is paradise compared to NJ. Sorry but you have no idea what crowded really is until you’ve lived on a coast. Spent a month up there last year and my wife and I will be moving next year. Thanks for making room.

        • .02

          Not a problem, you can have all the N Idaho you care to tread upon as far as I am concerned. I moved west from there to my home state. I am not telling anyone exactly where b/c I don’t need what happened to N Idaho happening here. At one time n Idaho was truly paradise. Great place to be through the 70s. Now,not even. But of course I have traveled to the east cost and I bet to the people from there n Idaho seems to be paradise. Here is a tip, in cold weather say after nov 1st, hang your gutted deer outside with the hide on. It will be a bit harder to skin but the animals like birds and stray cats (not wolverines tho)will leave it alone and there is no trimming when hanged skinned. saves alota time cutting it up and no waste.

          • Malfador

            Thanks for the tip, I’m sure it will come in handy.

      • Anonymous

        .02 Thanks for your candor. I am from the Pac. Northwest and have spent some tine in northern Idaho. It Seems pretty heavily populated to me, although pretty. I have some friends from there and they all live elsewhere. I think all of the advocates of move here now are from somewhere else. Lots of good places in the U.S. Keep an open mind.

        • .02

          I am still real close by, just not into being jammed in that skinny valley with all the roads to the mountains THAT I BUILT gated and guarded by butch dykes with guns. AKA forest service.

      • A

        I live Exactly where the author is talking about and I LOVE it here. The people are great, with a positive attitude. Old school pantry, root cellar, and garden types. Of course you will always have a small amount of libs, negative type people and non producers, but the harsh winters, dangerous wild game, and little itty bitty bugs run out most of the assholes, and hopefully they wont come back.

        • .02

          And you have lived without running water and electricity how long?

          • Warchild Dammit!

            02,you really have found predators/scavengers will leave a deer alone if skin on and hanging.I will admit never tried it but in northern hampster/maine/vt would think the bears would go for it.

            • .02

              Bears are hibernating in the winter. The ONLY time we lost a deer in 58 years of my life hanging outside with hide on was from a wolverine. They are very few and far between but when it comes to mean and nasty per square inch, those bastages are bad to the bone.

              • Warchild Dammit

                I guess depends on season and obviously location as to when bears skeddadle.I saw one in Vt. in January trudging thru the snow,guess someone woke him up from his nap or he is hibernation wise a night owl.I was glad not the one who woke him up!

                • Grafique

                  Bears don’t hibernate in the southeast; not cold enough. I’ve seen bear tracks in the snow in the Appalachians in January.

              • Warchild Dammit

                Same with the fisher cats,just give em plenty of room though and so far never had a issue with em.Saw one killed on road yet not really crushed,like a idiot hesitated and didn’t turn back till a few miles down road,was going to skin and leave carcass for whatever hungry,going back,saw a big ass truck heading my way,yep,crushed it to a pulp.Moral here is,he who hesitates loses!

                • .02

                  We have fishers here too, but the wolverine is in a complete different category. They can single handed kick the shit out of a pack of wolves or drive a grizzly bear off it’s kill. Like I said, these guys are bad to the bone. I am just glad there are not many of them.

                • Babycatcher55

                  What’s a fisher cat? Never heard of them…

            • .02

              From mid october until mid april the deer hanging with hide on is frozen if hanged in the shade. i got into trouble one year up in eastport b/c I had 2 elk and a deer in the freezer and ran outa room and my son shot this ripe ole rutted huge buck that smelled like he had been sleeping in the homeless piss, so we gutted it, cut off the scent glands, MAKE SURE you cut off the scent glands on their legs with a separate knife that you gut with, and hanged it in a big birch tree in the backyard. from thanksgiving on. Well of course we have those POS Feds driving by my the house every day going to work at the border, (we owned the first piece of private property in the US going south) and here comes Greg Johnson the game warden. 5 foot 6 inches tall and 140 pounds soaking wet with the typical short man big badge attitude. He waltzes onto the property, goes and checks out the deer, it is now april 15th or so, and says “you have 24 hours to get that processed or face a fine and lose your hunting privileges for a year for wasting a game animal.” So, i took the ole guy down and there was still ice formed in the rib cage, cut him up and that deer tasted so good you couldn’t believe it. Most rank rutted bucks are tough, smelly, stringy and nasty, but if you do as I am describing, they will come out fork cutting tender with less smell than prime beef.

              • idahoen

                02, Greg is retiring this year. His replacement is going to have one heck of a reputation to uphold.

                • .02

                  Lol isnt that the truth!

                • A

                  Plus, greg has put on a few (dozen) pounds. He lives right down the road from me.

              • skeptic

                02. I appreciate most of your posts. Have killed and eaten a lot of deer and elk. I agree with the keep them cool and age before butchering. If you don’t have the cool weather you can keep your meat in ice in coolers and, after checking it remains at approx. 39 degrees. This is perfect for hanging also. Several weeks like this and it makes for wonderful eating. Don’t know how many contributers do these things. Would like to.

              • Warchild Dammit!

                Baby,good pics of the fisher cat: ht tp://fishercatscreech.com/fisher-cat-pictures/ ,I put a space between http to avoid moderation wait,tis a member of weasel family and if screwed with can be a very dangerous handful.That said,give em room and they feel the same for most part but have especially at night been known to attack pets(did pets start it?),good looking critters as photos show,just view if you see one from a distance!

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              He left his nagging Ex wife hanging out there too all winter, and nobody else wanted her either. Ur safe!! lol j/k

              • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                WWTI, are you in Idaho, or just being the smartass as usual?

          • A

            Off grid does not have to mean “without running water or electricity”. Unless of course you have a negative mindset and little skills. But I have lived without both for a while. its a Chore, thats why motors are rated in horsepower. The glass is half full… from Naples

    7. Rex Red

      Are you crazy. You won’t have a choice when and where to relocate. Maybe if you’re worth a few million you might beat the stampede out on you helicopter, but for most it’s going to be hell on earth right in the neighborhood. Not practical at all unless you’ve got money to burn. This topic has been discussed in a free book. It covers the situations most of use will face. What’s the surprise? It every man for himself. China and Russia are not intimidated by the West. They are taking care of their citizens militarily and economically while the leaders in the West are stuffing their personal pockets first. Of course corruption is universal, except for the fact that the Chinese and Russian crooks always throw some cheese to the mice. The rats in the west won’t share. Meanwhile the citizens who elected the mentally deranged politicians that created the S that is about to HTF, are faced with a disaster of unparalleled proportions. All the political and economic indicators point to the inevitable conclusion that sooner, not later the S will HTF. If you’re intelligent enough to understand the acronym you have the possibility of mitigating the nasty circumstances your politicians have created. The citizens voted these mentally disturbed beings into office and are partially responsible for the deadly mess they are faced with. Now
      you want to know how to survive. Or maybe your head is still deeply stuck up your own ignoble orifice, and you actually think that Uncle Sam is going to be there to change your pants when the SHTF. No, no, when you find yourself starving you’re going to need uncle spam not Sam, and much more. Get a manual written by a Russian who survived the implosion of the Soviet Union. This is written for Americans who are about ready to be left up the river without a paddle. Believe me, this is cheap or free at AMAZON, it’s called Yankee Anti-Zombie Survival Manual, it gets right down to facts, 101 rules to save your self and family. This Russian has seen and smelled TSHTF in his own country. Only experience can be transferred. Read and survive. This approach of heading for the hills is too idealistic. Check this manual out – people have survived the zombies. Those nasty Russians are alive and thriving, even after their zombies went nuts in 89.

    8. Stan522

      Idaho safe……?

      I’ve been to enough blogger sites and read enough responses to realize there are not too many people from that state that would welcome ANYONE there.

      Good luck…..

      • .02

        Not to mention N Idaho has a huge income level gap. The long time locals are toothless poor methheads that will be flooding outa their trailers and eating the transplanted mcmansion dwellers in the wee hours of the morning.

        • A

          02. You sure are a negative sob. Im glad you moved to Wa. If you are in Paradise, what are you going to do when the spokane trash flows down south to your house. Open range works both ways…

          • .02

            If the hordes are coming I am heading into the canyons just like I have described.

          • .02

            Naples.. That’s funny. NOW I understand why you calling me a negative sob. The kids from niples when we went to BF HIGH were red headed big eared banjo playing inbreeds.

          • .02

            Hope you are a transplant….

            • A

              I am a redhead…. from Ca. San Andreas area. Funny, they say the same thing about you.

              • .02

                *Sigh* not ANOTHER Californian. Now you see why I left people? Place went to the dogs.

                • A

                  WE ran your negative single tooth ass out. and now you are where you belong, in open field country with the crackheads right north of your skinny ass.

                • .02

                  Q-You know how you can tell the toothbrush was invented in Idaho?

                  A-Because anywhere else it would be called a teeth brush.

                • .02

                  “WE ran your negative single tooth ass out. and now you are where you belong, in open field country with the crackheads right north of your skinny ass.” Says the guy that lives “just down the road of Greg Johnson @ 1666 Homestead Loop Bonners Ferry, ID 83805-5014 who quite possibly pissed off a psychopath that drives just up the road to the house with a boom truck in the yard and gets out, shoots his dog and hits the elitist californian prick in the head with a fvking crow bar.

                  Who is the idiot now?

    9. Barn Cat

      That doesn’t impress me.

      I’m more interested in northwestern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota, and SW Ontario. There are tens of thousands of glacial lakes in those areas. They might only be a city block in size but many are spring fed and they might be 30 feet deep in the middle.

      I also like Michigan’s Upper Peninsula near Lake Superior. Lake Superior water is so clean that Marquette only filters its city water. It doesn’t need chlorine.

      But unless I suddenly inherit a ton of money or win the lottery, I’m bugging in.

      • stu johnson

        I have not the money to relocate but I’m already in Minnesota and got the little cabin in the woods in northern Wisconsin. I guess I got a little lucky, I can’t afford to replace what I have. I did live without running water or electricity and it does take an adjustment but it can be done. I did miss a refrigerator but if I was there again I’d figure some way to deal with that. Also how can someone bug out if yer car don’t run cause of a EMP? That one spins around in my head. If nothing runs then its bug in. Unless your already there.
        Have a nice night STU OUT.

        • christine

          Upper Michigain northern wisconsin is where our family relocated. We have lakes and rivers everywhere. Im surprised is hasn’t been mentioned yet. But im happy. We have a very low population and I like that part of it

          • wrong

            Plus we have walleye! Yummy Yum Yum!!!!!!

          • Barn Cat

            And you’re far from big cities. You won’t have people from Chicago, Milwaukee, or Minneapolis in your area.

          • Da Yooper

            hey mums the word dont ruin a good thing by talking about it ehhhhh

            • yourmotherwaswrong

              I’ll second that!

        • Stan522

          I saw something like this a couple years ago and went out searching for these clay pots. They sit in my backyard if/when the shit hits the fan.

          Clay Pot Refrigerator Test
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWEIKE_nLw

    10. WhoWuddaThunkIt

      Well its 30 below and I don’t give a F*ck,Got a heater in my truck and I’m off to the Rodeo!!! SO…when the Grid goes down you got a year of firewood cut split stock and stored? Sounds like a person will spend the majority of the time just fighting the weather. I prefer sunny Florida, mild winter with barely having to turn on a heater. Fresh clean Water water everywhere. Hows that growing season of a few short months going to sustain you? Oh that right you will go shoot a deer and live off of venison all year. Granted the photos are pretty, but…I give Idaho only (2 Stars), just for remoteness. When they freeze month after month I will be out fishing in a bass boat, with thousands of critter in the woods including wild pig which is delicious and ponds, lakes and streams stocked with fish year round. And if I wanted salt water fish kayaking out a mile or 2 is some of the best fishing ever. No Volcanoes in Florida, lots off fresh rain daily for and hour or 2 and the growing season is year round. I lived in Wisconsin in my early years and could not wait to get out of the brutal winter weather,shoveling snow, and huddled around a heater 6-7 months a year. Just saying, think about what you are going to get yourself into. And if for some reason I need to leave the country, I jump in a sailboat and head off into the sunset, snorkeling or scuba diving for fresh daily lobster and spearfishing in the oceans buffet endless supply. Don’t get caught up in the romance of a story, as you don;t feel the minus zero temps in just words.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        I will follow up with, Yeah everybody, Quick Y’all go to Idaho!!! lol (sarcastic)

        • slingshot

          Yes, go to Idaho

        • Ugly

          I am already here !!!!

          • Malfador

            Same here. Also Idaho is now closed all non residents are asked to leave and don’t let the door hit ya in the ass.

            • .02

              “Idaho is now closed all non residents are asked to leave and don’t let the door hit ya in the ass” says the transplanted greenhorn from New Jersey.. ahaha that is fvkin funny! Might want to hurry and mask that accent Mal, as the rednecks are gona be saying “you aint from around these parts are ya boy?”.

              • Malfador

                Says the inbred turnip that lived here for years and now bad mouths it. I’m sure you would fit right in on the west coast. Glad you made your living leaning on a shovel because education does not seem to be your strong suit. Don’t worry the stronger, smarter people will be just fine in the north. You older guys are free to move where the old bones can warm up quicker.

                • .02

                  Thanks I appreciate that, you are very kind.

              • .02

                obtw, you can thank me when driving on the roads and bridges while you are up there. what can I thank you for, Chris Christie?

                • A

                  SSSShh… 02….. they are repairing the BF bridge right now. Im sure it isnt the part that you built. Must be one of those transplants from Ca (like me) that Fkd it up.

                • Malfador

                  Typical government employee, wanting someone to thank them for getting tax payer dollars. You don’t have to thank me for anything. I do my job and go home I don’t expect people to thank me for working. Especially not the people paying me. Hope you now see, you’re part of the problem.

                • .02

                  Goes to show what you know. The roads are built by private contractors and maintained by the state. Might want to do some research so your ignorance don’t show,, intellectual..

              • Malfador

                Hey stupid who do you think pays the contractors? I mean I know Idaho has some of the worst schools but not even you can be so dumb to think the government doesn’t pay for the roads! I mean if that were the case you’re probably just going to forget to breathe and expire. I mean where do you think the money comes from the Tooth Fairy?

            • Archivist

              I can go there if I want to. I have a long list of relatives who have lived there close to 100 years, almost as long as ID has been a state. If anyone questioned me, I would just ask “Do you know ______?” I would eventually come to a name on my list that they recognized. A lot of the old timers in ID came from NC, so there’s not a big culture difference for me to overcome.

              I may never get to Idaho, but I believe I would fit right in if I did move there.

        • Kulafarmer

          I agree,
          EVERYBODY
          Please, go to Idaho!

          • Ugly

            No!!!!
            Hawaii is paradise. Nothing like surfing the beach each day. Plus Kula has a CSA where free food can be had for the beggars. Beggars Banquet….

            • Babycatcher55

              I would apply to be a gardener on Kulas property…:)

            • Kulafarmer

              Yep, lots of free roundup sprayed GMO corn for the beggars, come n get it

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          When SHTF, I will stir up my PsyOpps, and place pre-made signs all over town on telephone poles that read: “FREE FOOD at the Police Station,” “FREE working Obama Phones at the National Guard & Military Bases “FREE MEDICAL CARE at the DHS OFFICE” “FREE BUS RIDES at the Bus Station. Got to keep them all busy and distracted. FREE FOOD arrow signs pointing to City Hall, Lunch at 12-Noon, Dinner-5PM. The masses will all be heading to these facilities in hoards demanding their Free Food and Obama Phones. I will put these sign up, on my way out of town.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            “FREE Housing and Prepper Food in Idaho Redoubt.” 5 Star Facilities for the Hungry.

            • .02

              Lol, you are too much! But you know what, that is not a half bad idea. All I can say from here on out is if things go mad max, you better know how to bug out to the wilderness or be damn good at running and gunning. To try to hold a defensive position against the starving zombies is suicide.

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              Are you two brothers fron incestious fathers or mothers?

              • anonymous

                WWSI, you NAILED it. 02 and wwti are from the same hillbilly fambly.

      • Buck

        Based on estimates and the studies by the United States Census Bureau, the population of Florida in 2013 is estimated to be 19,317,568, which is the 4th largest population in the United States. This growth displayed a 2.7% increase from the last census taken in 2010. Based on the population and based on the area of the state, the population density of the state is about 353.4 people per square mile, ranked the 8th largest population density in the United States.

        Good luck with that!

        • slingshot

          Buck.

          There is a lesson to be learned in this.
          Florida does have plenty of people that are doing fine now. Wait till the utilities are disrupted. We are now in hurricane season and we just had a storm roll by us.
          They are plenty of creatures that come out of their holes when a major storm hits. We also have a bacteria that can eat flesh at an alarming rate and another bug that is like encephalitis with a high mortality rate.
          Snakes! Besides the 4 major poisonous we have the exotics like Boa’s and Pythons. Then add those nasty lizards people have let go in the wild. We also have black bears that are becoming a nuisance.

          So if you are coming south you must be willing to deal with the environment.

          We have some new mosquito bourn stuff call Chick V? Gives aches and pain in the joints with high fever. Comes from the Caribbean Islands. Dengue Fever is showing up too.

          So if you are going to move. Check into the critters and bugs section.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Buck, I believe Florida is now about 19.5 Mil. which most are over 50 yrs old. Retires, since there is ZERO State Income Tax and all these Pensioners coming down are bringing their money and wealth with them, supporting the housing industry. My prop value is about $250K and I only pay $995 a year in property Taxes in a large city. My average electric bill is about $70 a month on ave year round, which also includes A/C and electric Heat. My 5 year old vehicle has NO Rust on it, and still looks brand new, and as long as you have overhead parking cover, the paint does not fade either. Our GOP Governor just signed 5 PRO-Gun Bills, leading the country with its now OK to fire a warning shot, with No ramifications, instead of shooting the bastard. 1 in 17 people in FL has a Gun Carry permit, and any person over 18 yrs old, as a Non-Felon can keep a fully loaded pistol with one in the chamber ready in their glove box in their car, since we decided that our Autos are also our castle, and have protections just like if we are at home( Castle Doctrine). In the Mid of winter it may be 80 degrees and can have a BarBQue on the Beach on New Years Day. Our winters are short days just like everybody else but only last from Mid Dec to Mid Feb, then its spring break, and we are flooded with 20 Yr old bikinis. I can go biking, kayaking, fishing, hiking, trail riding, 365 days a year, No snow shovels are allowed and the only gloves I wear are while biking or working in the garden. The majority of the population in FL are in Miami and the Tri city of Tampa, St Pete and Clearwater, Orlando and Jacksonville. Oh and don’t forget the FL keys where we go lobstering for fun. And I will also tell you this we have some of the Most Gorgeous Women on the Planet right here along with our top class “A” beaches where the sand is white fine and soft like sugar, which is next to the beautiful clear turquoise water and wildlife. Yes We have Gators, Snakes, Sharks Stingrays, barracudas, and yes Mosquitoes but who doesn’t have those too. The concentration of the majority of the population is in the larger cities, where Miami-Dade has about 2.6 Mil; Tampa Bay area 3.5 Mil; Orlando 1.2 Mil and Jacksonville 1 mil. And the other 10 Mil are spread out over the state which Florida is the largest State in the Union, East of the Mississippi with 58,681 square miles, and ahead of 2 pc of Michigan is next behind Florida. The world flocks to our state and spends their money which reflects a large collection of sales tax and NO State Income tax, Homestead exemption taxes, etc. Being orig from Wisconsin, I have Zero regrets moving to Florida 20+ yrs ago. I just got back this AM from a 15 Mile bike ride to a beach park and back. Anyway, life is full of choices, and I weighed this all out a few decades ago. Like I said live here for a few winters and you will kick yourself of not living in a warmer climate. My daily uniform is shorts a t-shirt and flipflops, Why live up north and freeze your ass of half the year for nothing? Peace out!!

          • slingshot

            WWTI

            Florida is a good state to live in. As before you all have read my comments about Closet Yankee’s. I do not mind people coming here in their golden years but I sure would like them stop trying to change Florida. I mean if you still want what you left behind you should have stayed put.
            Florida is doing just FINE.

      • Kerry

        + 100% humidity. Hell no

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          @Kerry – 100% humidity is called rain. Yes, and we have no lack of fresh water unlike the western half of the country is dealing with. Ever go thirsty?

          • Kerry

            with air so thick you choke on it-unlike refreshing rains

      • jbird

        @whowuddathunkit

        What part of FL? I’m here too. Since we have so much sunshine I’m trying to buy as many solar items that I can. Lamps, flashlights, chargers, etc. Something to be said for the Sunshine State.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Jbird – Central Gulf Side. I prefer the Gulf side to Atlantic. How about you? Hey when I lived up north 20+ yrs ago, and had my own personal SHTF economically, and had my gas shut off going into winter, before I sold my house, I swore if I was going to be poor, I was not going to be living anywhere, where I was freezing my butt off, thus Florida was a no brainer. Shhhhhh…between you and I. When SHTF Grid down, and people loose all creature comforts their brains will kick in with logic. Or have a brain freeze, literately.

          • jbird

            @WWTI

            I’m in central east coast. I also lived up north for about 40 years. I don’t miss the cold at all. All my family still live up north. Better them than me. I’m the only one in the family who is trying to do some prepping. No one else feels that there is a need. Oh well…

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              @jbird OK, Spacecoast. — Yeah I have family up in Wisc and Michigan, and hear them complain all winter that it sucks. Life is full of choices eh? I used to run over there on your side of the sandbar, to watch the space shuttle take off yrs ago. Its a little more than a 2-hour drive coast to coast. On a clear day or night we could see the shuttle takeoff on the Gulf side. Pretty cool. Also hear the sonic boom from the shuttle if it flew over to land.

              • jbird

                @WWTI

                Yep seen the shuttle take off a couple years ago. Was pretty cool thing to see. I think where I’m at is pretty safe. Small town just south of space coast. At least not in bigger cities south of me.

    11. WhoWuddaThunkIt

      The story reads like a Real Estate Sales Info Commercial. “Caveat Emptor” ~ “Buyer Beware!!”

      • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

        Like living in Fla, where the family tree does not fork?

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Troll

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          WWSI – Yeah, cause the knife ran away with the spoon. lol

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          WWSI – Fork You!!

    12. This Texan Has Had Enough

      I have to stay where I am, but I am in a pretty good location except for water. Too old and broke to move now.

      • Stewpedaso

        pay to have a well drilled and install a windmill to pump it

        • Gadabout

          We had a handpump installed on our well.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Gad,have a extra and extra cups/seals if not already,love hand pumps,Will say with shallow well much easier with pitcher pumps but hand pumps with a bit of effort will pump 100’s of feet with right unit.

      • Gadabout

        Cool! I just printed out all 44 pages. Some recipes call for things such as cans of soda that I would never use but I get the idea.

    13. the renegade braveheart

      .02, it’s interesting what you say about North Idaho. I travelled through there back in 2000 and I was treated like dirt by some of those commies in Couer D’Alene when they heard my Southern drawl. Almost had a fight with one of them. It would’ve made my day to put one of those commie fruitcakes in the hospital. Beautiful country, but I can’t handle those winters. Although I still have my arrangement with a cousin to share her BOL in North GA in return for certain ‘services rendered’, I’m now looking at tax auctions for my own BOL. I want some property with some kind of structure already in place. the way things are looking, there won’t be time to have anything built. As wrong rightfully pointed out, there’s not a 100% safe state anywhere. But North GA is definitely a lot safer than where I’m at now. I have another supply run planned for this month over there. With this trip, I will have 80% of my supplies in place and ready for when I make my final ‘bugout’. I don’t have all my eggs in one basket. No matter what happens, at least I have a place to go to and get out of the stinking city. I have arthritis in my right knee and it really acts up in cold weather. The winters of the Pacific Northwest would do me in. I’m sticking with my beloved South. Appalachia is an excellent place for survival.

      • Anonymous

        RBH I’m almost afraid to post this but it is just too sweet.Please keep in mind that I am only kidding, but when you say your female cousin in Georgia is expecting you for “services rendered” you must be careful. Have a sense of humor now.

      • Skeptic

        Rbh– Hi. I cant’t let your post go by without pointing out to you that you made the comment about your female cousin in Georgia letting you come on board for “services rendered”. I am sure that you have seen the humor as well by this point. Have a nice day

        • the renegade braveheart

          Anonymous and Skeptic, I didn’t necessarily intend to be humorous, but I appreciate the thought. I should’ve been a bit more specific; on second thought, I’ll just leave it right there.

          • .02

            LOl you might not want to “mess” with this anymore BH. Good call.

          • wrong

            🙂

      • Night Breaker

        RB,
        The Eastern Redoubt ( Appalachia ) is a lot Closer and if you have family there that is the best choice , the city people will never make it through those mountains read some of the civil war stories about the fighting in those mountains and Hollers from West Virginia ( battle of the wilderness just imagine those battles today with modern arms!) to the Mountains of Georgia it favors the defenders and is not tank country . About the only benefit that the Idaho , Montana, Eastern Washington has from a tactical standpoint is that it is similar to Afganistan recent vets will know how to exploit this terrane . I will admit that the east coast has its problems but there are areas that could be utilized. I all goes back to METT, mission , Enemy , Time and Terrane , know its strengths and weaknesses , for me my temporary AO is the pine barrens its similar to the Terrane of Vietnams Central Highlands ( so I have been told) minus the Triple Canopy . Dense, thorny , wooded with concealed ravines, swamps, limited visability , ambush country not to much can be done with drones due to the cover .

        What ever you may think Southern New Jersey is not heavily populated in my area and there are few roads leading in and out , the pine barrens acts as a natural barrier between the major cities and the coast some only have one bridge in and out , north and south roads bridges also there are major rivers south ( Mullica ) and north. ( Toms, Forked River , Oyster Creek ) the only wild card is a nuclear threat I am down wind from Washington , Philadelphia, I that case I am screwed and Tatooed . A martial law scenario would be survivable with adequite gear for a temporary bugout and prepositioned catches. This is fourth generation warfare country.

        Know you area and practice in your area with simulated bugouts , use your gear see what you really need and discard what is not used from your pack . Plan ahead , review your routes .
        Do not ever let TPTB wear you down . When it happens all plans can fail at first contact.
        But I intend to overcome this with a little initiative and aided with a small amount of pissed off.

        Let’s all hope this never becomes a reality.

        PLAN PREPARE FORM TEAMS

        RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

        Semper Fi 8541

        • the renegade braveheart

          Night breaker and Warchild, the Southern states have long been very feasible for survival. Before the War of Northern Aggression, the economy of the south was almost totally agricultural and we had very little industry of any type. Scots-Irish originally settled the Appalachians during the colonial era and always knew how to survive in that environment. We Southern people are survivors. We survived Indian raids, the French and Indian War, American Revolution, the War of 1812, Mexican War, so-called Civil War, Indian raids in between all of the above mentioned wars, then the Reconstruction era and US military occupation for over a decade after the War of Northern Aggression ended and left much of our region in ruins. We rebuilt our towns, cities, infrastructure, etc. It took a whole century for the southern economy to get back to the level of 1860. We southerners have been through a helluva lot and we’re still around. Yankees did a lot of damage to us and we suffered some setbacks, but they couldn’t destroy us. It’s true they had more manpower, industry, resources, etc., but there was one thing they were lacking in and that was fighting skills. fighting was mever a part of the northern culture, but definitely part of the southern culture. Union General Winfield Scott Hancock once acknowledged that Southerners are excellent fighters. Even General Ulysses S. Grant once admitted that it took 3 of his soldiers combined to equal the fighting capacity of one Southern soldier. southerners have superior fighting capacity and that’s why we were able to keep the Union Army at bay for as long as we did. The south is no less feasible today in terms of survivability. I and other southerners shall persevere.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Yeah and when SHTF in Jersey, Gov Christy will close all the bridges so nobody can leave.

          • Babycatcher55

            If you have a kayak or boat, he can’t make you stay!

      • Warchild Dammit!

        RB,you want to take a long walk hit the Appy trail,go north enuff can stir you up a meal.I have wanted to do the whole thing but is a commitment both in time and money to do the whole trail.

    14. Steve in Ramona

      Safe is relative…safe from what? In east LA being safe from gangbangers takes lots of home security. Move south to San Diego its safer relative to LA.

      Move to the rural areas of San Diego county away from people and its gets safer yet. Move further east to Julian in the local mountains of SD county fewer people generally safer again.

      Go further east of Julian down to the desert in Shelter Valley where thers is like 10 people per square mile or something that seems that sparse. Guess what it is probably really safe.

      So alot depends on where you are and where you are determines what you have to do to achieve a level of safe that meets your needs or standard.

      We choose to live in a rural area not to far from civilization to make comutes to bad but not too close where my neighbor can hand me a bottle of grey poupon out their window.

      So you can have a certain amount of “safeness” almost anywhere…..well maybe not east LA

      • DaisyK

        Steve

        Only about 2 1/2 people per sq mile here in Northern Wyoming. One reason is that there is not enough water to support more.

        I am hoping our small town will continue to supply water; we have a gravity fed well. Also Big Horn River runs through the town. Good for getting water to filter and drink, but not good if you are trying to grow vegetables. Also not good if the Boysen am breaks. It es about 90 miles north and nothing to stop the flood.

        I don’t know of a really good place to relocate. No matter where you go, there is a problem. If Yellowstone blows, the entire continent will be uninhabitable.

        I prep for the relatively minor SHTF. At my age and being alone, I don’t stand a chance if the emergency is major.

        • Muddy

          Daisy,
          I think you must mean Boysen dam is 90 miles south of your location. That would put you on the Big Horn around Gryebull. Having lived in Worland for over 3 years I’d have to say that is some of the most God forsaken country I’ve ever been in. Hope you are successful should the SHTF.

          • DaisyK

            You are right. I am in Greybull.

            My brother says I have a perfect sense of direction. The only thing is I get everything backward. So when I say “left” go right and when I say “north” I mean south.

            Perfect OPSEC

            • PKLauLau

              DaisyK: LOL….I have the same thing….I actually have to wave the correct hand or point “that way” because the word will come out opposite/wrong. It is an unusual form of dyslexia that I inherited from my grams.

              PKLL

            • Babycatcher55

              I do the same thing, I have to use my hands to describe directions, cuz my mouth says the opposite…and I’m the Navigator when we are on trips!!

              • PKLauLau

                LOL! Glad to hear I’m not the only one…. 😉

                PKLL

              • DaisyK

                My mother always said she liked to ride with me because she always got to see things she NEVER got to see when she was riding with someone who knew where they were going.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Idaho- Where all the Mr Potato heads hangout with eyes growing out of their heads in every direction. lol

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Idaho- Where all the Mr Potato heads hangout with eyes growing out of their heads in every direction. lol

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Wonder why that double posted? You can say that again. OK Wonder why that double posted?

              • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                Maybe because incest made everyone see double crosseyed and brainless.

                • anonymous

                  Nailed the no life moron once AGAIN!

        • Steve in Ramona

          Daisy

          Where we live in Ramona it is not that sparse but it is rural. My wife and I have prepped and have done the usual things to prepare. We have city water but also have a well so even without city water we have water.

          We have solar, a backup genset wired into the house that runs off a 500 gallon propane tank.
          The genset is for backup when there is no sun.

          We also have a group BOL with 40 acres if we need to leave our home.

          Nothing is perfect and no place is perfect. But we have done what we think is enough to weather most storms. Although maybe not the perfect storm of SHTF events.

          I would prefer everything limp along like it is now then to really go mad max. Nobody should really want that to happen.

          • DaisyK

            Steve,

            Where is Ramona?

            You are a lot more prepped than I am.

            I have a year’s worth of food, cat & dog food, and kitty litter. Also a year of tp, aspirin, toothpaste, soap, batteries, etc.

            I have about 50 gallons of water stored in small containers plus a 40 gallon water heater.

            I have a Kelly Kettle, two Kandle Heeters with 4 cases of liquid paraffin, a one-burner propane stove with a couple of dozen small bottles of propane, a fold-down alcohol stove with two cases of alcohol fuel, and a bunch of one-lumen solar lights.

            I, too, hope things limp along for as long as possible. Even if we don’t have a major event, all the food and things I have stored is a hedge against the rampant inflation that I expect we will be seeing soon.

            • Steve in Ramona

              Ramona in the local foothills of San Diego county. Not ideal being in SoCal but it is what it is.

    15. CrabbeNebulae

      Idaho is a beautiful place to visit but a horrible place to bug out to! Idaho’s short growing season makes it difficult to grow enough food to sustain a family for a year, even for a seasoned prepper. As another poster stated, living off grid is not a game… and I think most people bugging out to Idaho are in for a rude awakening. They will most likely starve or freeze to death within the first year if they don’t get executed first by one of Idaho’s thugscrum finest or locked up in a FEMA camp unless of course, they are rich and well connected. Idaho is not the freedom loving place it seems to be advertised as throughout the survival/prepping community. The federal government lays claim to nearly two thirds of their land… fancy that! This article is written for the rich and well connected, it is not written for the common man who must live by the sweat of his brow. Thank you very much but I think I’ll just stay put on my little 12 acre oasis in rural deep south and take my chances. Average rain fall here is over 60 inches and I can grow way more than enough food year around, to feed my family… or, for that matter, the entire neighborhood if the need arises! Just saying.

      • The Old Coach

        Yah, friend in Idaho just lost her entire veg garden to frost. In late June.

        • .02

          Too bad, you can always count on the first killing frost around the first week in september as well. i hated that so bad, all my tomatoes were just getting ripe and then bam, dead. I would have to bag em up and ripen them artificially which doesn’t hold a candle to vine ripened.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Ever have Green Fried Tomatoes? Slice them up roll them in flour with ground pepper and fry in cooking oil.

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              That seems to be your problem, too much green shit in the brain?

      • think about it

        yup and that in the end will be good,,the richie riches will buy alot of preps and the locals will salvage whats left after they kik D bukit.

    16. Smokey

      There is little or no employment available there. Either bring your money with you or plan on a meager income from piece work out of your home.

      Even medical doctors have a reduced income level there, compared to the coast or even Spokane.

      • .02

        Plus it is a right to work state and if you do find a job the wages are horrible. On top of crappy wages the state helps themselves to the sweat off your brow via income tax. So let’s wrap it up here and take a look at the bottom line.
        1-State income tax
        2-Feds own most the land and have a large presence
        3-State owns all the water
        4-Less than ideal growing season/climate
        5-getting over run by wolves which is destroying hunting opportunities.
        6- From the Bonners Ferry Sheriffs website itself: While the deputies who patrol the county are the most visible members of the team, they are by no means the only members of the Sheriff’s staff working to protect and serve; there are dispatchers, detention deputies and administrative staff, all of whom work closely with a number of volunteer community service organizations including Boundary Volunteer Ambulance, Boundary Search and Dive Rescue, and the Hall Mountain, North Bench and Curley Creek Volunteer Fire Departments and South Boundary and Paradise Valley Fire Districts to ensure the safety of everyone in Boundary County, and with multiple other law enforcement agencies, including the Bonners Ferry Police Department, the Idaho State Police, the U.S. Border Patrol and the U.S. Forest Service to enforce local, state and federal laws. (they left out Us customs, BATFE, and US immigration and all the undercover alphabet agencies that are there because I am sure they see N Idaho as a huge threat because of past problems with the uppity natives.) Now, remember what Selco said the badges did during SHTF and don’t forget Katrina as well. You see these “protectors” coming up the road, and there is a shitload of them, gtfo.
        7-Food is expensive
        8-Income level gap causing animosity (us against them attitude from long time locals)
        9-No real cohesion amongst transplants as they are all from someplace else leaving them at the mercy of the Gang of Badges (GoD) and the gangs that will quickly form amongst the locals/family and friends.
        10-Power line infrastructure is vulnerable to storms from trees/mud/rockslides etc. We had a hellova ice storm that knocked out power for 10 days.
        Pros-
        1-Lots of water (you don’t own it but it is there)
        2-Fairly remote, lower population
        3-Access to firewood if the feds let you. Right now no problem, but shtf I expect huge problem.
        4-Some say beautiful/pretty but I think beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I prefer the Palouse.
        5-People are friendly, for now. WORL? Again, remember what Selco says. That smiling nice family will become murderous psychos in a couple days of shtf.
        6-Close to Canada. I see this as a plus b/c I have many friends on the other side from living on the border for 40 years. Others? Probably not so much.

        • skeptic

          02. As I am sure you know, our ancestors in the pac. n.w. killed the wolves by poisoning them. I wonder if people have any idea what it will take to lose them again. There go the good game animals.

    17. TPSnodgrass

      We need to remember a small provision,(oft overlooked or not known) in the Patriot Acts I and II, called the Border Exclusion Zone. In those sections, the BEZ allows for a cessation of “Constitutional Rights” if needed, basically on a whim, at any given time, which means, Fourth Amendment warrants, Second Amendment protections as well as First Amendment protections will go right out the window, “if needed in the vent of National Emergency”. the Zone extends from EITHER the southern or northern borders of CONUS, for 100 miles south or north. I for one, have zero attention of living anywhere in either zone. Hope this helps a bit.

      • slingshot

        TPSnodgrass

        Who the fuck thinks this shit up. Wildlife passages and Heritage protection. They can come and legally take your stuff because the fuck in the white house says so.

        They own the water rights, the land rights, the mineral rights.

        We need a Damn Revolution!

        • .02

          The same folks that bring you Agenda 21 thinks this shit up.
          It is obvious even to the fairly brain dead that the World Order is alive and well and made up of the best psychopaths a sick society can produce. The BIG aphrodisiac folks, after all the money losses its charm and the bling wont shine enough is the control of others. A classic example is that little fvkedup runt, Bloomberg.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            When you advertise year after year about your Prepper community, its like hanging fly paper out. And a place for the DHS to target first and set an example of who’s boss. Just saying. OPSEC Folks. #1 rule of Prepping.

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              Then why do you keep replying?

              • anonymous

                Because he has NO life outside this website!

        • Tacoma

          Afraid it will take a lot more than key board operators to get a revolution going.

      • David in Charleston

        Not just north and south, it extends 100 miles in from the coasts also.

        • OutWest

          It isn’t just the coasts either, David, it
          also includes the Great Lakes which would
          in effect cover the entire state of Michigan.

          Now, that’s something I would like to see
          them try to do. There is a million deer
          hunters that take to the woods in Michigan
          every year. HA! They won’t even try to shut
          down ISIS in Iraq. What a frickin’ joke.

    18. WhoWuddaThunkIt

      Spend a few winters in Florida, and you will wonder why you ever lived up north. That’s crazy up there.

      • .02

        But summers in florida? 99 degrees and raining? OMG i cant imagine that.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          So what state do you live in .02? Fess up!

          • .02

            Washington

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Yeah, I went to Seattle one time in Dec. The most miserable experience ever. Cold rainy days after day after day, never saw the sun once. The ONLY bright spot of the place, was the Beer Micro Brewery’s. Oh and seeing Fisherman’s Wharf and the flying fish. When I was walking through the place Boy George was walking by. Freak! was that you .02 cents? I then flew down to San Fran, it was cold there at pier 39. Then went up to Napa wine country. Again, the Photos are pretty, but the cold weather is miserable. I’ve even been up to Vancouver and Whistler for snow skiing. Rain in the town and iceberg Glaciers at the top. The weather is Brutal in that part of the country. Thus the need to soak your soul in beer. Just saying. I will take Florida anytime. Where a Icy Beer is refreshing.

              • .02

                Well there is your problem all along. You have to drink whiskey, schnapps, Yukon Jack. All joking aside the coast does suck but right on the other side of that mountain range that keeps all the moisture trapped, today as I type it is 98 degrees. We have an inland desert, the one I described as having all the food. The 2 rivers systems irrigate the valleys that bask in the sun 12 months a year.

                • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

                  Damn, you two need to get a room….

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  Yeah I will check it out on the map. thx,

              • Anonymous

                An icy beer moron.

      • aljamo

        WhoWuddaThunkIt… Geez, are you the voice of the Florida tourism thinktank? Quit telling people to come to this repressively humid, high cost of living, skunkhole of a government, crowded and already yankee infested state. Many more coming will make this a perfect place for a false flag nuclear attack. Infested with New York-New Jersey know it alls, send them packing to the hellholes they came from and Florida would lose half it’s population. I can only dream about my youth here and how nice the state was then. Now it’s just another rat race. Sign seen on a bumper sticker “welcome to Florida, now go home”.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          @aljamo – That what it is like on the east coast of Florida FT Laud to Miami, All the scumbags from NY NJ come down and go there thankfully. Gulf Coast is more Midwest people. Normal trusting and kind, more of a community. Only think I like about the East Coast of FL is deeper scuba diving. 100+ ft only a few miles out. Gulf side is only about 35 Ft out about 40 to 50 miles then 80 miles out for 100 ft plus to get to the deeper water for deep diving.

          • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

            What are you going to do when the sea water rises above 50 feet? Oh, I forgot, you will kayak out. lololololol

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Yes Kayaking is a major part of my prepping plan. All I need is about 4 inches of water and I am gone. My bicycle is another mode of transportation and I can ride 12 to 15 mph. Beats walking.

        • Kulafarmer

          Everywhere is like that, we used to be able to camp on the beach wherever, now no way, not even with a permit except at some crappy spots, still good remote rocky coast line that you can access if you have a solid 4×4 for fishing, good fishing too, all the nice beaches have hotels and condos on them now with just a few exceptions.

    19. y99

      The safest place is wherever your feet are firmly planted and you’re looking down your sights!

      At least for a while;)

      • Barn Cat

        No, if you live in a Chicago suburb or you live in southern California your chances of survival approach 0.

        • talon1776

          Yup BC…I’m in socal and you’re right…but I’m still gonna stand my ground right from my home…molon labe

          Live Free or Die
          Talon1776

    20. WhoWuddaThunkIt

      As the weather patterns keep changing there is a deep polar chill going through the Midwest on Tues n Wed this next week. Lows will be in the 40’s. No kidding for Mid July. Had something to do with the Typhoons in Japan. Pushed this polor dip down into the Midwest states. We used to say they have 3 seasons in the Midwest, July August and Winter. Now it is just 2. August and Winter. Ha.

      • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

        Polor, is that Flordian speak? shitfuckingasswipe?

        • anonymous

          No, he’s just demonstrating his superior intellect………

    21. Tacoma

      No laughing matter here. dumb ass

    22. Anonymous

      You must go on the offensive. Think, what is most important to you. Then what is most important to the enemy. You must get rid of the most important thing that you carry, and what provides it. Many things the enemy can use you for and yet you don’t releize it. After this you can expand to other avenues to explore. Fear not my friend, go forth

      • Barn Cat

        OK. The most important things to be are food, water, and firewood. You want me to get rid of those???

        • sixpack

          The anon post doesn’t make any sense, please try again…

          • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

            You must go on the offensive. Think, what is most important to you. Then what is most important to the enemy. You must get rid of the most important thing that you carry, and what provides it. Many things the enemy can use you for and yet you don’t releize it. After this you can expand to other avenues to explore. Fear not my friend, go forth

            The IDIOT will die first.

            • WhoWuddaSuckedIt

              Cocaine is one hellova a drug.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              @WWSI – what is “releize?” You mean “realize?” lol

              • anonymous

                Hey, he’s just as good at spelling as YOU lol!

            • sixpack

              Wouldn’t I want to get rid of the LEAST important things, taking care not to leave anything in a condition that the enemy could use it?

              For example, if I had to jettison my radio, I’d smash it beyond repair or salvage, and throw it down in a misleading manner, to hopefully throw them off my tracks if they happened to find it?

              I would keep my night vision goggles but toss the transceiver radio. Why would I care what is important to the enemy, I’m not going to leave them anything they could use anyway.

    23. Ruff Tuff Fightin Puff

      friendly warning –

      if you folks only knew … most of you wont make it to the Redoubt to begin with, you will die on the road and those that do will have to constantly fight off the local locals to keep what you have.

      the freezing winter cold, poverty, alcohol, violence, firearms and death is a way of life here.

      even if you move here now you will just be considered a out of state non-local target to rob when times get tough.

      *just a friendly warning is all.

      when the shtf…

      “In the Redoubt, you keep what you kill.”

      puff

      • .02

        Welcome to north Idaho. Thanks for cementing my case puffs.

        • Ruff Tuff Fightin Puff

          .02 … hello neighbor, i just don’t want folks and their kids to suffer, potentially die needlessly trying to get to a falsely advertised unsafe-place bugout location that will offer most only pain , suffering, maybe death.

          there are 1000’s of great local state and federal parks across zog amerika that offer a small family group of folks a great bugout safe zone if they are properly prepared to head into the woods deep enough to avoid the outside world collapse and lawless anarchy for a year or two.

          *if you need a bug out location look at the remote local parks and national forests with a fresh water source in your area of the country, And learn about “dug-out” homes.

          puff

            • db427

              @Ruff Tuff
              that was really a good video. thanks for the post/link
              long (2.5 hours), but good.

          • .02

            I like the looks of the debris hut. A guy could go into the canyons of the PNW, where there is water, fish, game, and build debris huts along different drainage’s just up and away from the beaten path so to speak. With a willow stick and a small fishing fly and 6′ of line you can catch small trout out of the creeks all day long. In the summer it is nice and cool and in the winter it is fairly protected. Huts are easy to build, work well and blend in. This is the my plan c or d depending on how bad things get. Nothing less than emp and pandemic would push me into that situation.

          • .02

            Speaking of neighbors, you, me, Ugly and Dave in Idaho should all get together someplace and tell each other lies.

            • Ruff Tuff Fightin Puff

              .02 – haven’t you ever heard the story about the American Patriots and the Militia…

              4 Camo’d up American Patriots in a Militia group from Idaho get together around the camp fire over the weekend to talk about taking over the Federal Government by way of revolution strategy.

              1 is a undercover FBI Agent

              1 is a undercover DEA Agent

              1 is a undercover Mossad Agent

              1 is a undercover ATF Agent

              get it???

              * i appreciate the thought, though my days of meeting and playing nice the neighbors are over for me. i’m heading deep into the Rocky Mtn Bush solo on shtf day. And don’t plan on leaving the bush till my fat store of grub is gone.

              puff

              • .02

                Lol, that sounds about right for the militia. I would never join any group that would have me for a member. Solo in the bush might be a hard game as a back or back of the h