Saudi Highschool Textbook: Jews Need to Be Exterminated and Homosexuals Should Be ‘Put to Death’

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    While Muslims the world over may argue that Islam is a religion of peace, one simply can’t ignore that teachings of mid-east leaders, whether in mosques or schools, tend to shy away from the idea of co-existence and the right of an individual to live as they choose.

    Barbaric textbooks handed out in Saudi Arabian schools teach children how to cut off a thief’s hands and feet under Sharia law, it has emerged.

    The shocking books, paid for and printed by the Saudi government, also tell teenagers that Jews need to be exterminated and homosexuals should be ‘put to death’.

    Recent editions were obtained by the Institute for Gulf Affairs in Washington, D.C., which says they should raise fears in the West over the use of jihadist language.

    The books were published and handed out to 9th and 10th-graders despite Saudi Arabia’s promises to clean up textbooks in the kingdom.

    Ali Al-Ahmed, director of the Institute for Gulf Affairs, told Fox News: ‘This is where terrorism starts, in the education system.

    ‘They show students how to cut (the) hand and the feet of a thief,’ he said.

    The textbooks were printed for the 2010-2011 academic year and translated from Arabic by the institute.

    In one, for ninth-graders, students are taught the annihilation of the Jewish people is imperative.

    One text reads in part: ‘The hour (of judgment) will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. There is a Jew behind me come and kill him.’

    According to the translations, women are described as weak and irresponsible.

    Mr Al-Ahmed said the textbooks also call for homosexuals to be put to death ‘because they pose a danger at society, as the Saudi school books teaches’.

    Mr Al-Ahmed said: ‘If you teach six million children in these important years of their lives, if you install that in their brain, no wonder we have so many Saudi suicide bombers.’

    Source: Daily Mail

    Christian leaders, past and present, have had their own barbaric delusions on a historical basis as well, so we’re not attempting to elevate one religion above another, but it’s clear that something just isn’t right about theocracies and monarchies that claim to come in peace, while at the same time educating children from a young age to hate, to the point of annihilation, anyone who is not of the same religion or those who have a different sexual orientation.

    Our own government officials justify hundreds of billions of dollars in expenditures and the lives of thousands of Americans on wars that they claim will spread democracy, yet it is clear that our ideologies of individuality, freedom of expression and freedom of religion are completely lost on these societies. Secretary Clinton et. al. told the American public that we should support Egyptian and Libyan rioters as it would result in democracy and more freedom for the people of these countries. The reality is that no such system will be established in Egypt and Libya, or Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter. Rather, these countries will instill leaders (probably with the help of Western powers) that will further push the very agendas and ideas set forth in Saudi Arabian text books.

    Armies have tried to conquer these regions and institute secular political systems in the past. They have failed repeatedly – for thousands of years. Our attempts to spread democracy there are akin to implementing and spreading Sharia law in the United States. It will be rejected, through violence if necessary.

    The point is that we should stop pretending like we can make any significant progress in the middle east peace process. There will be no peace between Israel and Muslim nations. There will be no peace between, or mutual respect among, Muslim countries and the United States, because according to many teachers of Islam, the only good non-muslim is a dead non-muslim. There is simply no way to convince certain Islamic sects otherwise.


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      1. Ditto ?

        • Like the U.S.A’s gutted school systems are any better? U.S. grade schools, Jr. Highs, High Schools, colleges, and universities are infested with liberal and Marxist teachers and professors. Private schools in the U.S. are booming with business, for those who can afford it.

        • Having been to Saudi Arabia, this is no surprise at all. The Wahhabi sect of Islam (the one which folks like Al Qaeda and the Taliban adhere to) was founded and formed in Saudi Arabia back in the 1920’s.

          Socially, these folks will treat you with the utmost hospitality, even if you’re Christian (outside of Makah or Madinah – you’re best off avoiding those towns if you’re not a Muslim, period. No fucking around on this note, campers – just don’t be there). OTOH, if they discover you’re gay, Jewish, or otherwise not something compatible with fundie Islam, you’re going to be met with hard stares at best, getting killed at worst.

          Hell, this is a country with two police forces – one for the ordinary criminal stuff, and a morality police who will easily take a lash to your ass right then and there if you don’t stop stock still five times a day (during prayers – those happen at sunrise, mid-morning, noon, mid-afternoon, and sunset), or exhibit behavior that they feel is not up to the local accepted moral standard.

          Case in point: we had a young lady in our squadron who accompanied us to town. The stares got harder and harder over time… she totally spaced out the hijab (headgear). While the bare head of a western woman is somewhat tolerated, it isn’t tolerated all that easily, and not by everybody. The temperatures got a bit hot (go figure that it would get hot in the Arabian peninsula), and we all removed our outer BDU shirts. She (and we) still had a t-shirt on underneath, but damn the shape of her ample chest was a sight to behold… it took all of five minutes before the shouting began, all of it focused on her. We barely managed to get her back to base ahead of the small mob that began to follow. The commander got her ass out of the country that very night, as the morality police had politely informed him that they were going to be stopping by the next morning to place her under arrest. (funny thing is, all I could remember at the time about it was quipping in the wrong earshot that I wished I had nice tits so that I could go home early… Ah, well – at least the water involved with washing jets the next day felt cool).

          Anyway, long story short – that place is among the most extreme in general when it comes to intolerance. Things have opened up a little (I hear that women are allowed to drive now), but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for things to get even 1/100th as live-and-let-live as you would find here in the US.

          • I am now sitting here thinking of ample chest. Thank you. Did she have a nice pooper to??

            • As a matter of fact, yes. Problem is, she married an SP (for you army guys: think “MP”)

            • Rabbi Eliyahu exhorts the killing of women and children:

              Rabbis Yitzhak Ginzburg and Yaakov Yosef endorse Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro’s 2009 book endorsing the killing of babies and children, adding “It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for [threatening Israel]. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.”

              God created them [goyim] in the form of men for the glory of Israel… for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved of this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him. Midrash Talpioth 225a

              “Who is funding the rabbis who endorse killing Gentile babies?” By Akiva Eldar, Ha’aretz, 11/17/09
              “…For example, [Israel’s] government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies “because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us … it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly … we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents….”

            • “…’living soul’ designates Israel because they are children of the Almighty, and their souls, which are holy, come from Him. From whence come the souls of other peoples? R[abbi] Eleazar said: ‘They obtain souls from those sides of the left which convey impurity, and therefore they are all impure and defile those who have contact with them.’…’living soul’ refers to Israel, who have holy living souls from above, and ‘cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth,’ to the other peoples who are not ‘living soul,” but who are as we have said.” Bereshith 47a

              “Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever… their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews…” Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. Pp. 108-109.

              The rabbis’ calls to murder are still in the news.
              Rabbinic Text or Call to Terror?
              By Daniel Estrin
              Published January 20, 2010, issue of January 29, 2010.
              JERUSALEM — The marble-patterned, hardcover book embossed with gold Hebrew letters looks like any other religious commentary you’d find in an Orthodox Judaica bookstore — but reads like a rabbinic instruction manual outlining acceptable scenarios for killing non-Jewish babies, children and adults.
              “The prohibition ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’” applies only “to a Jew who kills a Jew,” write Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and attacks on them “curb their evil inclination,” while babies and children of Israel’s enemies may be killed since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.”

              “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1] at the eulogy for Dr. Baruch Goldstein, Kach Party terrorist who used a machine gun to murder at least 39 Palestinians worshipping at Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in Hebron. Rabbis praised his mass murder and then Prime Minister Yitshak Rabin gave permission for a memorial to honor Goldstein. Here’s a picture of the shrine to the mass murderer:

            • “Some of the Turks and the nomads in the North, and the Blacks and the nomads in the South, and those who resemble them in our climates. And their nature is like the nature of mute animals, and according to my opinion they are not on the level of human beings, and their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey, because they have the image and the resemblance of a man more than a monkey does.” Maimonides explaining who is not fit “to participate in the world to come,” Guide for the Perplexed, Book III, chapter 51 cited in Israel Shahak, Hebrew University Professor, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years. London: Pluto Press, 1997. p. 25.

              “… the explanation of the matter, [is to be found] in light of what Rabbi Chayim Vital wrote in Shaar HaKedushah (and in Etz Chayim, Portal 5, ch. 2) — that every Jew, whether righteous or wicked, possesses two souls, as it is written, “And neshamot (souls) which I have made. … The second, uniquely Jewish, soul is truly “a part of G-d above, The souls of the nations of the world (the Gentiles), however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever, as is written in Etz Chayim, Portal 40, ch. 3, that all the good that (Gentiles) do, is done out of selfish motives. So the Gemara comments on the verse, “The kindness of (Gentiles) is sin” — that all the charity and kindness done by (Gentiles) of the world is only for their self-glorification…” (Chapters 1 and 2) The lower category consists of three completely unclean and evil kelipot, containing no good whatever… From them flow and are derived the souls of all the nations of the world (Gentiles), and the sustaining force of their bodies. Also derived from these kelipot are the souls of all living creatures that are unclean and forbidden to be eaten, and the sustaining force of their bodies.” Tanya, Chapter 6


          • hmmm…don’t blame them for the jewish concern.But otherwise, why do’t they move into the streamm of contemporary consciousness- I mean religion is passe’ and hardly worth proosecution.

          • Is there any wonder that at least 15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian citizens, or in the 3 days following the 9/11 attacks during which the FAA closed the entire U.S. national airspace system, only U.S. military and a handful of Saudi Arabian chartered flights were allowed to operate during that period? To my knowledge we still don’t know who those Saudis were on those chartered flights that left the US. This is a key factor in my complete rejection of the official 9/11 story.

            • Among “those Saudis were on those chartered flights that left the US” were members of the Bin Laden family (very large, rich, and influential in KSA). They were rushed out of the country before the FBI could interview them.

          • What kind platform of squadron Odd Question?

            • F-117A, 37th TFW.

        • Awwwww… the poor mistreated “Jews,” so innocent, never guilty… what rubbish!



          “You are adam [“man”], but goyim [gentiles] are not called adam [“man”].” Kerithoth 6b

          “The seed of the goyim is like an animal.” Sanhedrin 74b

          “All Gentile children are animals.” Yebamoth 98a

          Israeli Soldier: “They are animals, we are humans!”

          “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” Kiddushin 66c The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282. “The best of the gentiles should all be killed.”

          Chabad’s rabbis discuss Maimonides’ advice on killing Gentiles:

          Scroll down to the Commentary on Halacha 1:

          Here are the plans for your re-education:

          The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews
          Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon

          Here is a full translation of the article in the Maariv newspaper of Israel

          • I am a Christian, married to a Jewish-Marine, who has and still serves his country, I am deeply embarassed and offended by “john q public”.

            • Has “john q public” served his county??? All the quoting of examples of religious wackos, the same can be said of Christians, Muslims etc, there are nut jobs in every religion…

            • You SHOULD be embarrassed and offended by the quotes from the rabbis, their “holy” books, and their followers. You should be even more offended by the genocide and crimes against humanity that creed has inspired through the millennia.

        • “The Jew by his source and in his very essence is entirely good. The goy, by his source and his very essence, is completely evil. This is not simply a matter of religious distinction, but rather of two completely different species.” Rabbi Saadya Grama, Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut (“Jewish Superiority and the Question of Exile”) 2003.

          “Souls of non-Jews come entirely from the female part of the Satanic sphere. For this reason souls of non-Jews are called evil.” [Yesaiah Tishbi, Torat ha-Rave-ha-Kelippahnbe-Kabbalat ha-Ari (The Theory of Evil and the Satanic Sphere in Kabbalah) 1942, reprinted 1982]

          “Even when we seek revenge, it is important to make one thing clear – the life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs. The Talmud states that if gentiles rob Israel of silver they will pay it back in gold, and all that is taken will be paid back in folds, but in cases like these there is nothing to pay back, since as I said – the life of one yeshiva boy is worth more than the lives of 1,000 Arabs.” (“Rabbi Eliyahu: Life of one yeshiva boy worth more than 1,000 Arabs,” Kobi Nahshoni, Ynet, April 3, 2008)

          Because Gentiles are not human, Gentiles are owed no debt of morality or decency – not honesty [Baba Kamma 113a], not property [Baba Mezia 24a], not even life! — “The best of the Gentiles should all be killed” Soferim 15, 10

          “Happy will be the lot of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has chosen from amongst the goyim of whom the Scriptures say: “Their work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they will all perish when God visits them in His wrath.” At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all the goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is written: “The Lord alone will appear great on that day.”” Jean de Pavly, Editor, “Vayschlah177b”, Sepher ha-Zohar (Le livre de la splendeur), Volume II, Emile Lafuma-Giraud, Paris, (1908), p. 298

          • Hey John Q Public….Racist much?

            • Let’s see if I understand you “H.”

              The rabbis teach that non-Jews are not human and that we should all be killed AND Israel is perpetrating genocide based on the rabbis commands at this very minute.

              In your illogic, that makes ME a racist???

              Go figure.

        • “The highly revered Rabbi Menachem Mandel Schneerson, who headed the Chabad movement and wielded great influence in Israel as well [and proclaimed himself messiah], explained that ‘The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: ‘Let us differentiate.’ Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather we have a case of ‘let us differentiate’ between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of all nations of the world.'” Allan C. Brownfield, “It Is Time to Confront the Exclusionary Ethnocentrism,” Issues of the American Council for Judaism, Winter 2000, cited in Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered, pp.365-366.

          Chabad leader “the Messiah” Rebbe Schneerson taught that Christianity is a form of mental illness.

See his video here:

          More on Chabad:

          “And for Christians let there be no hope…” Birkat HaMinim, “Benediction” #12 of the Shmone Esreh

          “It is our duty to praise the Master of All, to ascribe greatness to the molder of primeval creation, for He has not made us like the nations of the lands, for He has not assigned our portion like theirs nor our lot like theirs, for they bow to vanity and emptiness and pray to a god who cannot save–man, ash, blood, bile, stinking flesh, maggot, defiled men and women, adulterers and adulteresses, dying in their iniquity and rotting in their wickedness, worn out dust, rot of maggot [and worm]–and pray to a god who cannot save.” Aleinu from Judaic prayer book, Two Nations in Your Womb, Israel Jacob Yuval, University of California Press, 2006, p.119

          “I want to attack their souls.” Rabbi Abraham Heschel, interviewed by Geula Cohen for Ma’ariv, January 4, 1965 as translated by AJC/Paris

          “I too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea” -Chaim Nachman Bailik, Israel’s national poet, in “The Present Hour” (1934).

      2. Si, Bingo

      3. It just seems like to me that if the US would just step back from the middle east, they will kill each other. After that they might try and come after us but really what would be left of the people. Ron Paul is right we need to mind our own business until they f–k with us.


        I have no beef with my neighbors until they cross the line!

        • ~DPS~

          A HUGE THUMBS UP TO YOU, SIR!!!!!

        • “…they will kill each other.”

          They’ve been doing that for thousands of years. What makes you think the process will accelerate any now, with or without a US presence or involvement?

          • Odd Questioner,

            Never said it would accelerate.. My point was to bring our troops home and stay out of their problems. Your right sir, the have fought for thousands of years, they will countinue to fight for another thousand yrs.The will fight long after we are both dead and gone, So why should we countinue to send our men to die for a fight that will never be won?


            • Good point, though unless/until they run out of petroleum, or we stop needing so much of it, we’re a bit of an economic hostage to mideast affairs.

          • Dear Odd: Who cares what they do to each other, it’s none of our business. We get in trouble every time we let big business dictate foreign policy that lands us in the middle of some ancient squabble. We are to trade with and not get involved with others-PERIOD. You can’t get into much trouble minding your own business. If you don’t think big business calls the shots, read USMC Gen. S. Butler’s “War Is A Racket”. He was a Double Recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor. And Pres. Eisenhower later warned of the same problem. Who better to tell the “Real Truth” than two Professional warriors.

            • “Who cares what they do to each other, it’s none of our business”

              …until OPEC jacks the price of crude to $600 a barrel, that is.

              Unfortunately, it is our business, at least for the foreseeable future.

          • If you look at the history books of Europe you will find that muslims push into Europe and are pushed back. They keep trying to establish their world wide caliphate and christians keep pushing them back to the middle east. Under the Ottoman Empire muslims flourished and contributed much to the world in science, music etc. But now they only focus on jihad and the destruction of all that is non muslim. This will be their own downfall.

            • I’m wondering just they contributed to science. The decimal arithmetic system that included a zero actually came from India. They named a lot of stars, but did absolutely zippo positional astronomy. They had a method of making steel swords that came from China. They cataloged and preserved some Greek and Roman writings, but they burned a heck of a lot more. They copied Roman techniques when it came to building mosques. What did they actually invent for themselves?

        • We are addicted to their oil. We can’t live without it. They have the largest proven oil reserves in the world. Hence we kneel and kiss their arses.

          • Some people question the size of their oil reserves. I hear the data is closely guarded, and also hear the Saudis are drilling offshore.

            One benefit to “alternative energy” would be to deprive the mideast barbarians of petrodollars, which would preclude them living in their deserts in their present numbers.

            • Agreed. KSA has been using water injection to boost output, but it’s a common practice to do the same thing in order to squeeze that last bit of crude out of a given well.

              Personally, I give it around 30-40 years before KSA runs dry enough so that everyone notices.

          • I’ve preached this until I’m losing my voice, but we all need to lower our dependence on oil. Localize your life. Produce your own food or buy from local farmers. Walk or ride a bike instead of driving. Stop buying so much crap that you don’t need that has to be shipped from China and that is made of plastic (also a petroleum product.)

            We don’t “need” as much oil as we’ve been programmed to believe.

        • Your comment shows your ignoance of shia end times theology. Iran will nuke israel and us as zoon as they r capable. They believe mass mufder will bring the Maudi, their savior and usher in the end-times. Islam is the anti-christ religion and ar is coming to the middle east soon. Israel will hit Iran within a year, oil will spike to $200 and world war will break out. Prepare yourself spiritually and trust in Jesus who is coming soon

          • what if your athiest?

            • Then just have faith in your Sk!

          • Kw, Islam is not the anti-christ religion. The Shia have their own beliefs, but Muslims believe Jesus (peace be upon him) is coming also and he will defeat the anti-christ (Dajjal).

        • I would go one further and say we withdraw from all countries,let them cut there own throats and if they mess with us annihilate them with nukes, end of story.

      4. Of course they want to exterminate Jews and H.S….. no surprise here. They scream the loudest demanding equality, tolerance and acceptance.. but of course; that only applies to themselves. They are murderers, haters and intolerate bigots who by their actions, deny the very God that they profess to serve.

        They are the definition of what it means to ” not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain.”

        • “who by their actions, deny the very God that they profess to serve.”

          Remember SnS, the god they serve is Allah, not Jehovah. Allah is a Moon god as evidenced by the crescent symbol and the regions religious history. The Moon god is the feminine side of the Babylon Mystery Schools trinity, and that equals Luciferianism. So in effect, muslims are by their actions serving their god.

          • No, Sayldong, you are wrong. Where do you get this nonsense from?

            We Muslims believe in Allah, the One true God who has no partners and is not comparable to His creation, all of which is dependent upon Him. We do not believe in any kind of moon god, that is totally false.

            And we are not murderers or haters or bigots. I would want to see exactly what those textbooks say, since the source of this news is known to be sensationalist and even false.

      5. and lets see what the bible says…. hmmmm….. multiple wives, slaves…. killing others that don’t believe what they do…. prostitution is legal…. slaughter of innocent children, cannibalism is okay, not to mention men took it upon themselves to remove the name of the father… then there is the last 2000 years (flat world/war on science/power grabs/inquisitions, etc…) religion is all bullshit people…. c’mon! there is no difference between islam and churchianty….

        \spare me the “MY church is difffeeerreeeent” horse crap. church is church.
        \\Jesus didn’t come here to start an organized religion.

        • You don’t know what you’re talking about. Almost all of those ostensible key refutations are urban myths (flat earth, cannibalism being justified, legalised prostitution, etc, none of which the Bible affirms).

          • cryingreeman, let me help. Without christianity what are we left with?
            Atheism. Which put to death over 60 million people in the name of a society without god, 20th centry alone; Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and yes Che. This was called a leap foward. Right, at the expense of exterminating god fearing people.
            Christianity. A personnel relationship with God through a risen Savior. Has it been hijacked throughtout history? Yep. Our nation was founded on the principles of christianity.
            Islam. Teaches it is ok to lie to enfidels/christians;
            the peaceful jihad. Hence Obama, has enacted his own version of a peaceful jihad against this country. Remember 2 things about Obama: 1) he said ‘America isn’t a christian nation.’ 2) His first act, as president, was to bow to the king of Saudi (a muslim) and assured the king that he, Obama,is a muslim.

            As for Sketch: A society without a christian God is a society led by parasites who live off the backs of others.

            • Christianity and religion are two different things, DRD. Sketch seems to be referring to organized religion, not the belief in a Christian God.

            • @DRD:
              “As for Sketch: A society without a christian God is a society led by parasites who live off the backs of others”

              That is exactly what we have…Of course”good Christians” will never face the elephant in the room.

            • again – how is YOUR attitude any different than THEIRS? society survived just fine without christianity for thousands of years… asians, persians, africans – were all parasites before your god showed up? tell me – what exactly do you think religion is, if not a parasite? it revolves around money and power – just like politics. faith needs neither – in fact, it could be said that faith grows more with the absence of those items.

              Religion divides people (much like we are now) and tries to force people to serve them under the false auspice of serving god, when god never asked for such things.

            • @JustMe says:
              >December 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm

              >“As for Sketch: A society without a christian God is a >society led by parasites who live off the backs of >others”

              >That is exactly what we have…Of course”good Christians” >will never face the elephant in the room.

              Wrong – “Good Christians” know who the prince of this world is and what to expect of him. THAT is the real “elephant in the room” that Bible-haters are incapable of understanding, always blaming “religion” in general and Christianity in particular while giving no thought to the fact that it is Satan who is in control here. Christ acts on a personal level while Satan is the one that is trying to unite the world into worship of him. “Out of Chaos comes (the New World) Order.” With One World Government, Banking, and Religion. Guess who’s going to deliver all that.

              >skslover says:
              >what if your athiest

              Then I would ask that even if you decide that God doesn’t exist, study Bible prophecy anyway. Even if you want to discount all the OT prophecy concerning the Messiah, even though it sets a high standard through which trust in future prophecy may be established. Study end times prophecy as revealed for example in Daniel and Revelations. GET HELP with it so you can say you actually understand what it is saying, and that viewpoint is in accordance to the established Christian understanding of it. If at that point you can’t see current events as the fulfillment of prophecy playing out right before your very eyes (and therefor come away with a new perspective of the Bible which will lead you to Christ) , then I would predict this – that when that amazing guy that has all the answers to everything that you think are the big problems in today’s world reveals himself on the main stage and promises to set everything right, you will be among those “worshiping” him as a god (whether in the Roman citizen manner or the New Age manner or whatever manner because “it’s all good”).

              @KW says:
              >Islam is the anti-christ religion

              I agree with much of what you said, but I think the above statement is off.
              Luciferianism is the anti-Christ religion. Islam is a derivative of that, as are all the eastern religions, pagan religions, the New Age movement, high level Freemasonry and right on down the line. The anti-Christ spirit was in the world long before Islam (John said). The anti-Christ religion started post-flood with Nimrod and was dispersed in it’s variety by the confusion. Nimrod, who wanted to build the Tower of Babel that all the world might look up to him as a god – the spirit of anti-Christ, just what Satan has wanted since his prideful fall as Lucifer. Just what we see him accomplishing today – One World Order.

              Why is it that atheists for the most part, along with Christian-haters and Bible-haters of all sorts, point their fingers and rant against basically decent people whose main difference from themselves is that they accept their bad behavior as sin and seek to repent of it as opposed to making excuses for it if not actually holding it up as an “acceptable alternative lifestyle” for example, while completely ignoring the openly Luciferian/Satanic individuals, organizations and plots that are so prevalent today? You will bitch about things like “mind control” but not a word about Michael Aquino, bitch about “religion” but not a word about Alistair Crowley’s buddy L.Ron Hubbard, bitch about Christians trying to influence the military/industrial complex but nothing about Jack Parsons, nothing about the United Nations Luciferian agenda or high level Freemasonry and related secret societies. Do you just not know of these things or do you figure “they’re fine cause they don’t make me feel guilty about fornication/theft/lying/blasphemy/etc.”

            • DRD5508, Islam does not teach that it is ok to lie to non-Muslims. The peaceful jihad for a Muslim is the daily struggle against one’s own desires and whispers of the devil.

          • of the accusations i’ve leveled (and are beyond proven), you chose THOSE items to defend?

            \thanks for proving what a sad and pathetic state churchianity is in.

            • Society has never survived without christianity. If you call monarchs and tyranical gov’ts doing well, you are blind. There never has been a society with a middle class with equal rights. Trully, what a sad state this country is in by destroying christianity. Notice, Mr.Pathetic; as they continue to remove christianity, they are removing your rights/freedom.
              Daisy, of course christianity is a relationship rather than a religion. Just remember, we’re only presenting a forum (religion) topic for discussion.

        • Thank God the Earth is flat,
          The Universe revolves around it,
          And it really is still the 5th Century…

        • Spare you? No, only you can spare you.

          Wilfully ignorant is stupid. You can’t fix stupid.

          Every culture in the world, past or present, has had some sort of spiritual belief. When this becomes organized it is called religion. Once it has become a religion, it attracts the same people that big government attracts: The Psychopaths. Call them crooks, thieves, criminals, whatever. They are there for themselves.

          Simple government systems as well as simple religious systems have a certain immunity to corruption. When everyone is accountable corruptions is either outed or avoided altogether.

          Islam as well as many sects of the Christian church have superstructures of chains of command that are miles long. IMHO these are infested with corruption. Think “Catholic Church”. Think “US Government”. Think “islam”. ANY system with a superstructure of control will absorb and even celebrate corruption.

          As I get older I have begun to understand the mind of God just a little. Some of the things churches do makes me want to vomit. They stand on human suppositions as if they were directives from God. The Bible (and especially Jesus’ teachings) are as anti-religious as you get. After all, it was this thing called *RELIGION* that nailed Him, The Perfect Sacrifice to the cross. Why? Because, the One Perfect Sacrifice threatened to expose the crookedness of those religious leaders who should have been the ones to worship him the most. Instead, they worshipped themselves and crucified the One they claimed to worship. May The Creator of all things have mercy on their souls.

          Once you understand it a little you begin to see the picture. You begin to see the church in the same light as we see the employment data coming from out illustrious government.

          SUMMARY: Church is not church you ignorant ass. I love my Church, the body of believers that would take in any one, donate to anyone, help anyone, accept anyone. But, I know other churches that snub people and refuse people based on their “religion”. Any “church” or mob of people that condone the crap that goes on in the “church of allah” (allah = Arabic way to spell Satan) aka “islam” is pure evil. Return it to hell where it came from.

          Wow! I’ve got to stop watching so much Ann Barnhardt. That woman gives me chill bumps!

          • “Islam as well as many sects of the Christian church have superstructures of chains of command that are miles long”

            Small point of order: Islam is rather decentralized. Unlike Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or similar religious organizations (which has a penultimate leader), Islam is a lot like Judaism, where there is no mouthpiece or leader. It instead has imams, each of which operates more or less independently… just like Judaism has rabbis, which are similarly independent.

            • Really it’s only the Roman church that has the miles-long chain of command. Barring the Anglican communion, all of the Protestant faiths specifically rejected such hierarchies. This was the first and foremost feature of the Reformation, which came about because of the rampant corruption at the top of the chain. Look at the various Anabaptist faiths today – they don’t even build churches.

            • @Old Coach:

              This is true of the protestant organizations. The closest I’ve seen any mainline Baptist organization is in the annual conferences that occur throughout the South.

              Orthodox Christianity does have a nation-by-nation chain of command of sorts, but with no stated leader.

              Catholicism’s chain of leadership is actually pretty simple: Priest, Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal, Pope. All folks higher than Priest is usually considered as a bishop (e.g. The Pope is officially known as the Bishop of Rome, and has duties to that effect – though those duties are usually carried out by others on his behalf).

              You do have Deacons, but they’re almost always married and thus cannot be ordained, and so are not considered part of a ‘chain of command’. Nuns and Monks are ancillary positions, have no role in celebrating Mass, and carry no leadership role. Because of this, neither position can influence or interpret canon law.

          • Dont you mean that You’ll accept anyone EXCEPT a Muslim? What about a Mormon? Or a jehovahs witness?? They’re Christian too. Your statement above shows that your religion is a hypocritical one…. Yet, further below, you openly admit that religion is a sham and is NOT the same as ones faith. Are you bi-polar or is there more than one net ranger posting?

            • If you are looking for something to argue about you’ll find it.

              And yes my church, a christian church would take in and help anyone, Mormon, jehovahs witness or Muslim, Athiest, homosexual. It’s not always about what religion someone is sometimes it’s just about doing what’s right.

              I’m not saying in a SHTF secenario I would have the same hosptality, but right now, generosity is important and there is no excuse not to.

        • No idea which bible you’ve been reading, but apparently you’ve either been reading the wrong one, or your literacy skills are severely lacking.

        • You have just shown the world how ignorant you are. I’ll bet you’ve never even read a Bible. You are beyond Sketchy.

        • So YOU say, Sketch.

          The evidence against you is that JESUS founded the Catholic Church (Matthew 16:18) to teach (Matthew 28:19-20), govern (Matthew 18:18), and sanctify(Matthew 28:18-19; John 20:23)—one Church with one doctrine (John 17:11; John 17:21).

      6. I see nothing wrong with sharia law after studying writings of sharia and seeing the rule of government finally crackdown on alcohol and drugs and other crimes such as homosexuals and robbers if Islam was implemented through sharia in America. Trust me the US would be a more harmonious place with no crime sharia.

        • Oh, detroitcity…we love Sharia fact your sister has been identified by two witnesses as stealing food to feed her children.
          And after cutting off her right hand, the two witnesses admit they made a mistake and finger the true thief…
          Oops..sorry about that…says court holding bleeding hand.

          You are one sick puppy..dude.

          • No JJ, someone who steals for a reason like feeding their children would not have their hand cut off, but would be let go since it is the responsibility of the state to provide for the poor.

        • humans are humans, It doesnt matter what kind of “law” you have, people will committ crimes. the only “law” we need here in the united states is our god given right to defend ourselves with the second amendment. Our crime is out of control because the jacka$$es in power prosecute us now for defending ourselves.

        • Dude – there are easier ways of keeping law and order than by resorting to totalitarianism.

          I mean, hell – crime and “immorality” was low in Stalin’s USSR, Mao’s China, and Hitler’s Germany; I defy you to say that you would prefer to live in either one of those.

          • Some people actually would like long as they are the ones to be on the giving side of the atrocities.

        • Read, The Islamic Antichrist and “God’s War on Terror” and tell me you prefer Islam and Sharia. Their savior is the anti-christ. Wake up people!

      7. but saudi arbia are our friends…just like Israel. and about as trust worthy too.

      8. Wake up America they have been doing this for thousands of years. The world has a lot of evil places, Saudi Arabia is just one. And yes they teach children to hate and kill too. Civilization has not learned to be civilized. It is and will remain barbaric. This is the truth our children and citizens need to learn. They are not like us!!!

        • It continues to be barbaric because it grows with numerous laws, edicts, departments, committies and czars, there is more room for the psychopaths (aka criminals) to hide within the mix and tap in, like so many little vampires, to what is the lifeblood of any society: commerce.

          Keep it simple: common law. No harm: no crime.

          …its why they have tried to ignore common law. Common law is simple. Common law is divine, easy to interpret and understand which is to say it is difficult to corrupt and manipulate.

          …and what you don’t realize is that regardless of how many laws they write under the color of law, common law is still in force. They only make an assumption that you will not envoke it, and they pray that you don’t.

          Do some study so you understand the full implications of what you are saying and then the next time you have committed a non-crime violation make this statement to the badge wearing pirate that detains you:

          Under common law I do not consent and a waive the benefits.

          …and see what happens. 😀

          • NetRanger

            You lost me. How does that relate to my comment? I understand what your saying, but I don’t see the relationship to my comment or what I need to study before commenting.

      9. Touchy subject indeed, Mac!

        Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of the extreme sect of Wahhabi-Islam & those folks are…evil, off the scale of humanity. But then again, so is Talmudic-Judaism!

        Both are wicked cults that have no place in any decent civilization/society.
        I’ve read a substantial amount of both the Talmud & the Koran(for reference purposes) & I’m by no means an authority on either…but I will say this:

        The Koran ‘honors Jesus Christ as being of the spirit of GOD’ & his mother, a virgin (see their prayer= Litany of the Prophets)….versus the Talmud saying Christ is in hell being boiled in a vat of feces & his mother was a harlot for Roman soldiers!

        Rather diametrically opposing views regarding the Savior, don’t you think?!?
        See the evil Iranian bigwig’s rant towards Christians below:

        Regarding homosexuality? Yeah, death is an extreme penalty…but shoving their perversion back into the closet is the least we should do!

      10. “Give me a 7 year old and he will be anything I want by the time he’s 18”
        Joseph Stalin

      11. You just figured this out now? I has been like this for 50 years.

        Good to keeping up to date.

        • Wahhabism began in the 1920’s… way more than 50 years ago. 🙁

      12. Dear Sketch
        Before you start with the Bible says, why don’t you study it a little. Yes, their was cannibalism, prostitution, and folks with multiple wives. God never said that any of those things were ok. He condemned them all. Thier was also slavery, but generally you either sold yourself or a family member sold you. Even then, their was laws that protected the slave. It was not the style of slavery that we had in this country. Sure, the Isrealites did annahalite and slaughter whole villages. That was how you did things back then. That was how war was fought back then. Besides, you can either kill them when are young or they will grow up and kill you when they are old.

        • I’m sorry – please show me where your god condemned king solomon PRIOR to his betrayal? he had what? 300 wives and 700 concubines…. proves what a moron he really was – as no SANE man would want more than a SINGLE (nagging) wife. i do believe your boy MOSES had two wives – lets see, didn’t abraham father a child with his slave girl?

          what of Job? he wasn’t a jew, yet he was one of god’s “favorites”…. if religion actually matters – explain THAT one. you can’t – because it doesn’t.

          your excuse is “thats how things were done back then”? THAT’S how you justify the bloody history of your religion? wow… it takes actual effort to be that ignorant. murder is okay as long as its done in the (erased and forgotten) name of your god.

          • Sketch: Worse than that! Imagine 300 mother-in-laws! No wonder he refused to marry the other 700 once he got them pregnant. Just shows ya gotta take the bad with the good in life.

            Just saying …. 🙂

            • DK, those are some scary thoughts! I wouldn’t want to be inside your head.

            • DK,

              Ok I have a new meaning of hell, being locked underground with a bunch of elites is no longer at the top of my list.
              300 motherinlaws just made the #1 spot.
              Thank god I’m not married anymore.


          • “please show me where your god condemned king solomon PRIOR to his betrayal?”

            He’d done nothing wrong prior to allowing foreign gods to be worshiped.

            Or is having multiple wives (most of which were political ‘marriages’) listed as a bad thing prior to the New Testament? Perhaps you could show us where…

            • Red Leader: Years ago a really hot young Muslim gal from one of those “stan” countries sent me her photo looking to develop a correspondence and eventual marriage.

              She was a real sweetheart and very attractive. Her dad was a vet-mostly cats and dogs, and a horse every now and then, etc etc and she had a really hot sister too.

              She looked very caucasian (rather Irish in fact) but coming from the Caucuses I guess she would look Caucasian, anyway …

              When we got on the subject of marriage I asked her (she being a Muslim) if she would mind if I had three more wives ….

              That is when she pointed out to me that I would also get three more mother-in-laws in the process. 🙂

              Looking for a rejoinder, I countered that her sister was pretty hot too, and that if I married them both I would only have one mother-in-law!

              All I can say is those Muslim guys must be a glutton for punishment!

              I think the reason that history records King Solomon as being a wise man is that he fore-goed the other 700 mother in laws! 🙂

          • Sketch: Not only was Job not a Jew but if I remember correctly, HE was especially fond of Cyrus, a Persian.

            I suspect Cyrus as King of Persia (or was it Babylon?) was getting “ALL” he wanted, but no mention of the number of wives and concubines is annotated historically for US.

            I think WE should all remember that in those days, women were universally considered chattle, which didn’t evolve into something different in Western Civilization until much later; with the “conquest” of women still a mindset for some Don Juan’s even today.

            IE Kolbe Bryant is said to have had more than one hundred affairs during his marriage.

            Hopfeully, for most of US, our brain is evolving over millenia even as our bodies have.

            As I have stated before, homosexuality is not something that I understand; nor do I want to understand it. I do know that there is no such thing as “gay rights”.

            There are however “human rights” and these rights, granted by God to all living souls should be respected; allowing everyone to make their own choices and express what is inside outside, during their life and allow God to sort them out afterwards.

            Thus the sentence of death for the Saudi woman found to be adulterous is cruel and unusual punishment under God’s law granted to every human being and ought to be condemned by the World.

            • In USA, homosexuals have political power waaaay out of proportion to their numbers.

          • Oh crap it’s tuff to keep things like this short and simple. But in the few minutes I have before heading to work…..
            God demanded the Israelites to completely destroy their enemies because “Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods”, things like child sacrifice and sex magic. God was raising the Israeli people up to be the source from which His Son would be introduced into the world. God knew that any remnant of the enemy left would in one way or another infiltrate and pollute the lives, behavior and worship practices of His people, something that could not be allowed, the salvation of the world depended on it. God knows, and didn’t make these demands without good reason. We don’t know and question, some accusing some searching.
            It’s so easy to vomit out vitriol, takes effort to learn, and that isn’t going to happen but under the power of the Spirit.

            • Ha, Ha ,Ha… magic? Now you get it, now you don’t?

            • @PO’d Patriot
              Not sure I get the gist of your comment, but I do find the “hocus pocus” reference funny – so yeah you get a thumbs up from me on that.
              If you are wondering what I meant by “sex magic”, just Google the term “babylon mystery school sex magic” and I’m sure you’ll find something. Certainly you’ve heard of Alistair Crowley, Michael Aquino, Jack Parsons, the kama sutra, tantric sex, and other practitioners and practices of sex magic, all of which is Mystery School derived and is in no way humorous.

        • Amen! It’s not right to blame our perfect creator for the sins and failures of men. It.s like saying Christianity is worthless because it’s followers do bad things. Forgiven but never perfect thats why we neegrace throygh Christ.

      13. After the barbaric Muslim cults exterminate the Jews they will slice off the heads of you stupid Jew hating Christians who pray to a Zionist Jew on a stick. Your created fantasy god who urinated,defecated and masterbated just like you moron Christians and pedophile Catholic priests. You Jew haters have enabled the Muslims to seal your fate.

        • Zionist Jew on a stick? Hehehe. You’re incredibly ignorant of what Jesus was or is. Don’t you understand? The zionists are the ones who KILLED HIM. Doh! Sorry to screw that up for you. That would beg the question: Why would the zionists kill one of their own?

          Our “Fantasy God” has been time tested for just about 4,000 years and has been documented by nearly 400 people in a book called “The Bible” where he adopted us as his children. Even you if you choose to accept.

          The god of the musloid barbarians has been around, for what, 1,400 years and is documented in a book called the koran, right? Written by how many people? Oh, yeah, thats right! One guy. One name muhammed. Of course, I’m sure there was no way muhammed was interested in violating little boys and having sex with pre-teen girls. Thats just hearsay, right? Of course, he didn’t get any profit or preference for being such a good man. He lived like a pauper and shunned all riches and power, right?

          Doh! Sorry again.

          Funny how you never see anything in the local paper about the “Women for an Islamic Society” membership drive.

          Get a clue. Check your spew. It doesn’t resonate outside of your own personal fantasy.

          • Strangely enough, a few of his disciples were zealots.

            Judas Iscariot (known in some circles as “Judas the Siccari”) is theorized to have turned Jesus in to the temple authorities because the temple priests didn’t have the power to condemn anyone to death at that time, even for blasphemy. What Judas didn’t think through was that the priests would turn Jesus over to the Roman authorities to have him executed for treason.

            Thing is, the Siccari (named after a type of short dagger) were very zealous.

            One other bit: Islam claims the same God as the Jews and Christians (that is, Abraham’s God). The problem is that like too many religions, the original message got skewed to justify barbarous behavior.

            All that said, your point firmly stands – dude has a case of rabies.

          • Prohpet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon the final messenger of God) was a descendant of Prophet Abraham (pbuh), who was also a strict monotheist just like every single Prophet that ever lived. They all believed in the same one God, but it is the followers of the Prophets who changed the way of life the Prophets (pbut) came with. (I am implying Jews and Christians). The only revelation that has not been changed or tampered with in any way is the Qur’an and in present day tens of millions of Muslims have the whole Qur’an memorized, word for word.

            Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a simple man:

            Umar reports: “I went into the Prophet’s home and found him reclining on a straw mat. He had only his lower garment and nothing on top. I saw the marks of the mat clear on his side. I looked around me and I saw his cupboard with some barley, no more than four times the fill of a man’s cupped hands, and I saw a similar quantity of dye (for hide) at one side in the room and a hanged animal hide. My eyes were tearful. The Prophet asked my why I was crying. I said: ‘Prophet, how can I not cry when I see how this straw mat has made its mark on your body, and I see almost nothing in your cupboard, while kings and emperors are surrounded by rivers and fruits of all types? Yet you are God’s Messenger whom He has chosen from among all His creation.’ He said to me: ‘Ibn Al-Khattab, will you not be happy that we shall be the happier ones in the life to come while they take their enjoyment in this life?’ I said that I am.”

      14. Mac – this is just more of the Muslims are “wicked, evil people” propaganda.

        How about telling about how Israel attacked the Gaza Aid Ship, killing innocent people in the process? How about telling about how Israel has turned Gaza into an absolute concentration camp and made its citizens prisoners just because of the simple fact that they are Palestinians? How about telling that Israel has often cut off supplies of food, clothing, natural gas, and building supplies (used to make homes destroyed by the Israelis)? How about telling about when Israel invaded Gaza and KILLED HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN, using white phosphorus (on purpose) and other banned weapons?

        How about a little balance Mac? Well – I just gave it to you.

        • Facts, facts, facts..

          1) The people on the ship attacked the Israelis, or did you not notice the UNARMED solder geing thrown overboard ?
          2) Israel has blockaded Gaza because the terrorist in Gaza have repeatedly crossed the border and blown themselves up ( along with as many Israelis as they could get close to ).
          3) The Israelis regularly send food and supplies into Gaza. They cut off the supply routes for weapons and bomb making stuff which is regularly hidden in crates marked building supplies.
          4) Israel has only “invaded” Gaza to prevent attacks on themselves and pre-emptively to prevent themselves from being slaughtered.
          Phosphorus bombs ? Horse crap.. if the Israelis even fart sideways at a Palestinian, the UN and the likes of yourself scream bloody hell.

          How about a little balance yourself ? How about screaming at Saudia Arabia and Egypt for refusing to let Palestinians cross their own borders and keeping those that are there in detention camps ?
          If Israel is soooo very bad, why are there millions of Arab Israeli citizens who live, work and VOTE there ? In peace, I might add.

          • The use of white phosphorus on civilians in Gaza is very well documented. Along with many other IDF atrocities deliberately targeted at civilians.

            OUR ATROCITIES against Iraqi, and other middle eastern countries civilians are equally well documented. WE have no military business there….NONE.

            Get our troops out and keep them out. Let them live, die, and kill each other as they choose. We are not going to change multiple millennia of THEIR history there.

            When and if they directly threaten US (INCLULDING ISRAEL) Nuke the living sh*t out of them.

            If you still haven’t, get it through your thick skull that “muslims” DID NOT PULL OFF 9/11! THE OFFICIAL REASON WE ARE AT WAR WITH THEM IS A LIE!

            • Horse Crap.

            • yental,

              Well said sir, thank you.

            • yental—I have supported you and agreed with EVERY word and wondered how two people could have the same philosophies on so many subjects….until are of the 10% that still believe 19 Arabs with box cutters drove a plane into the most guarded building in the world, with a multi-billion defense system???

            • Oh, Yental..excuse post–I missed the DID NOT—sorry!!

              Like I said, we are ALWAYS on the same page…excuse post please.

            • @JJ, no sweat, sometimes my “rapid fire fingers” do not leave the easiest to follow articulation of the method behind the madness of my thought process and intended message/interpretation.


              Is it not so blatantly apparent by now that out government lies to us repeatedly and with impunity?

              Here is what I know: In order to get a building such as the world trade center to come down like it did with explosives, one has to be so incredibly precise. It just amazes me that, what amounts to a diesel fuel fire, could burn so evenly throughout a building to cause such even heat on all supporting members even though it was started off center, so as to cause such a precision collapse.

              If it happened once, I’d be willing to argue. Twice in the same day? I only have three words to describe how I view it: NO FUCKING WAY!

              Only an idiot would believe such a thing. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I believe there were 19 Arabs with box cutters and they took over the planes. I also believe they had some incredibly high level manipulation. They were willing but unwitting accomplices. I think most of the Arab world believes those terrorists were responsible because they want to feel powerful. But, in reality, this was a planned event that was much bigger than 19 musloid barbarians.

              I hate to break it to you people but:


              I know is is big news and all but the purpose of 9/11 was to manipulate the will of the people like putty in their hands. They do this with lies and “events” and if you think 9/11 was the last time it happened, you’re blind and deaf.

              The fact is the US Government is only in existence to serve the bankster/Military Industrialist elites. They do this at the expense of the people by taking both their money and their lives. It is why they ignore The Constitution. Its bad for (their) business. The criminal bastard thief class will do anything and kill anyone to make profit. Nothing is sacred to them. NOTHING. Not life. Not liberty. Not happiness.

          • Sam not sam

            Sorry brother,
            #5 These people do not want us to help, its not a matter of who did what who. Its a matter of this is not OUR FIGHT. Bring our men home and let them figure out…Drill our own lands and let them keep their blood soak oil. And when they f–k with us, so them what hell really is..


        • MacMacMac..I’m with ya but couldn’t you use examples a little closer to home?? Like New York City??

          And you know what I’m saying.. the Mossad IS Israel.

      15. Sorry but these countries will never have peace. Look at them the kill without any remorse to the woman and children, They kill their own brothers and sisters and claim its a holy war. Well sorry, But I call it BULLS–T these people will never know peace simply because as a warrior they don’t know how to be a soldier. I say lets protect our owns boarders, bring back our men and let them kill themselves. Because the life of 1 of our own soldiers is worth more then entire middle east..


        The soldier stood and faced God,

        Which must always come to pass.

        He hoped his shoes were shining,

        Just as brightly as his brass.

        ‘Step forward now, you soldier,

        How shall I deal with you ?

        Have you always turned the other cheek ?

        To My Church have you been true?’

        The soldier squared his shoulders and said,

        ‘No, Lord, I guess I isn’t .

        Because those of us who carry guns,

        Can’t always be a saint.

        I’ve had to work most Sundays,

        And at times my talk was tough.

        And sometimes I’ve been violent,

        Because the world is awfully rough.

        But, I never took a penny,

        That wasn’t mine to keep…

        Though I worked a lot of overtime,

        When the bills got just too steep.

        And I never passed a cry for help,

        Though at times I shook with fear.

        And sometimes, God, forgive me,

        I’ve wept unmanly tears.

        I know I don’t deserve a place,

        Among the people here.

        They never wanted me around,

        Except to calm their fears.

        If you’ve a place for me here, Lord,

        It needn’t be so grand.

        I never expected or had too much,

        But if you don’t, I’ll understand.

        There was a silence all around the throne,

        Where the saints had often trod.

        As the soldier waited quietly,

        For the judgment of his God.

        ‘Step forward now, you soldier,

        You’ve borne your burdens well.

        Walk peacefully on Heaven’s streets,

        You’ve done your time in Hell.’

        • Well said

        • Amen.

      16. I don’t like those textbooks either. Correct me if I missed something. They’re by and for Saudis in Saudi Arabia. Have you ever heard of sovereignty? They have the right to teach what they like in (their own country) whether or not it offends us.

        However, seeing as we’re about to go to war with Iran in part to succor our Sunni pals who sit atop a trillion gallons of oil, maybe we should mind our own business. Suggest that we will get our oil elsewhere and maybe they should grow some and fight their own battles.

        Do we want to invest another 10,000 American lives, and who knows how many (at home) to dictate to another nation what we will allow it to do? wtf gives us the right to do that? Our arms manufacturers and banksters need another war to keep those profits rolling in? Isn’t that tough.

        Then lets have the guys from the farms and factories sit it out while the Princeton kids die for the lies, if it’s so worth doing.

        We’d be much less “terrorist bait” if as a nation we made a habit of minding our own business.

        • You wrote, “I don’t like those textbooks either. Correct me if I missed something. They’re by and for Saudis in Saudi Arabia. Have you ever heard of sovereignty? They have the right to teach what they like in (their own country) whether or not it offends us.” and I couldn’t agree more.

          We are not the world’s police or dictator. I do not appreciate the things Saudi Arabia chooses to teach in their own country, but then I also do not like the bullshit that is taught in our country. I do not like that OUR educational system omits/ignores and glosses over some of the most important things that have happened in our history. Are the teachings in those books sickening to me? Yes. Are there folks in the USA who think similarly (not radical Muslims, etc.) to what is taught in those books? Sadly, yes.

          I’d rather we respected their right to teach whatever they want in heir country than to dictate it – a lot like homeschooling here in the USA. The public school can “teach” whatever they want, and homeschoolers can teach whatever they want.

          • “We are not the world’s police or dictator.”

            Uh, fed up, I think you made a typo. I think that should read “We should not be the world’s police or dictator.”? If you look at what we are doing and they way we are doing it “police” and “dictator” fit that description pretty close. I think I know what you mean but WE ARE the world’s police and dictator at the present time. Hopefully, we’ll get out of that business soon. Ron Paul will shut that crap down real fast. That is why TPTB are attempting a massive smear campaign against Ron Paul. You can see it every day on just about any cable news network. They’re jabbering on about every one but Ron Paul. Lets get him elected and stop this crap.

        • I do agree that is a waste of effort to bring democracy to an immoral society, but that must be balanced with standing up for what is right. It is no more wrong to leave the pedophiles next door to their own business than it is to remain silent while the Nation of Israel is again targeted for annihilation. In both cases moral people have a responsibility to act. Much like we would do if the KKK published texts calling for the hanging of minorities, we need to be countering this hate speech and closely watching those who might act upon it.

          • There is no comparison when it comes to this, the pedophiles are our problem because the reside in this country. And as a moral people should we spent trillions of dollars to fight a religious war that has gone on for centuries. And as we spend this money to bring our version of democracy to a immoral society , We sacrifice our own people by bankrupting this country. Look around sir and you will see Americans beginning to starve in the streets . It just seems like we have a responsibility to our own people first and foremost. How can we possible help any country if we can even help our people!!


      17. I’ve had a belly full of islam. They have wrecked this country and caused us nothing but grief. I would amend the Constitution to say freedom of religion Except islam!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • KC, funny you say this.

          Find out what islam really is:

          Stop spewing the bullshit that “islam is a religion…”. It is not. It endeavours to be a religion so that it is protected as such.

          If you are a wolf and you can disguise yourself as a sheep, you can do many things that a wolf cannot get away with.

          • If you are a wolf and you can disguise yourself as a sheep, you can do many things that a wolf cannot get away with.

            \said the pope to the bishop.

            • Yep! You got that right. Hate religion. Love God. Religion is corruptible and is always suspect. Islam, though, its not not a religion corrupted, simply uses the idea of religion to cloak itself. While the “pope to the bishop” statement above is an example of religious corruption, islam is a perfect example of a wolf (invasive slavery: islam) in sheeps (religious) clothing.

              …and the more official structure there is, the easier and deeper the corruption can go. It is why most versions of Christianity fight the idea of a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ”. How can they tax and control that? They can’t so they discourage it.

            • said the priest to the bilderboybugger’s…

          • The bottom line is that if they did not have oil they would be another 4th world nation, living in tents, treating women like farm animals and dying of old age at 40.

      18. anonymous6.8,
        Take the rest of the year off! What you are saying is absolutely correct. As my father,who grew up during WW2 (Scranton,PA.),told me many times, “When we were kids there was a saying that the only good Jap was a dead Jap.” Seems the Muslims are not the only ones who teach their children of killing another group. Let’s try the “mind our own business” approach and see if it works. We have tried the other method and can see the results.

      19. I hate to agree with these kind of teachings, but i’m all for cutting the hand’s off of thieves. Some scumbag stole a 50 dollar Christmas tip off of my time card last week. I know who did it, my boss suspects that i’m right also. This guy is to much of a drunk to even be a sheeple. When shtf happens I will waste some ammo.

      20. It appears mac slavo now works for da’ feds cia AIPAC SPLC and is now an propoganda writer agent for ISRAELIzionists… tryin’ to encourage us all attacking iran and the other muslims is a good thing for flouridated brain washed americans … spend that BIGFATCHECK payoff well macslavo cause it’s covered in blood!

        sellout much mac…

      21. It appears mac slavo now works for da’ feds cia AIPAC SPLC and is now an propoganda writer agent for ISRAELIzionists… tryin’ to encourage us all attacking iran and the other muslims is a good thing for flouridated brain washed americans … spend that BIGFATCHECK payoff well macslavo cause it’s covered in blood!

        sellout much mac…

        • Nina,
          I’m your father.
          Search your feelings, Nina.
          Let go…..

          • @darth mac ;0) lmao … awesome simply awesome … cheers.

        • Put some rope on your soap so you won’t drop it.

          • ummmmm if i have a choice at camp fema… i ummm prefer aloe cream… ;0) help keep my butt cheeks soft and pliable!

            ;0P pssszzt up yur’s @anonymous ya puss… too scared of the big bad feds to create a name for yourself… ya must be a goyim tax debt puss soldier slave usmc jarhead, just like my neighbor.

      22. My take on take on this…
        There is an extreme irony in the fact that so many American liberal Jews, self hating Israely Jews, and homosexuals side with the plight of these” peace loving Muslims”.
        It is because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
        These are the first 2 groups of people that the “peace loving Muslims” will slaughter with impunity and without remorse, and they will support them up until they get their head sawed off with a buck knife like Nick Berg.
        This is self hating and self destructive behavior of the highest order.
        It is my belief that homosexuals hate themselves.
        That is why they hate traditional family values and American exceptionalism.
        Because their lifestyle is not excepted as normal, they support all that is against normal.
        So I understand their twisted line of thought, but for the life of me I don’t understand the
        Jews, hatred of themselves.
        So we are left with the enemy of my enemy thing, and they will eventually get their wish the way things seem to be shaking out.


        This article is from January 11, 2007.

        It is just a matter of time before the Muslim population in the United States, become a majority vote in some states to vote in their personal religious agenda and little by little, quietly take over some of the smaller cities.

        My concern is; will they change on us if they become the majority, if so.., do we need to fight now? Not suggesting combat.

        • When and if any form of “sharia law” is even considered as an ammendment to OUR CONSTITUTION or “attempts to stomp” on any aspect of OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, then it will be “open season” on the “muslim extremist element” sponsoring such insanity in MY/OUR country.

          Until then, THEY can be “muslims” to THEIR hearts content. My personal experience is that the vast majority of “muslims” in the USA do not want or endorse sharia law.

          If that changes, so will my attitude and potential response. Most of “organized” religion is led by the same type of psychopaths that gravitate towards government/ruling positions in society. If money is the “root of all evil” then the leaders of the “mainstream” organized religious factions are the “bugs” eating the leaves off of that “evil rooted money tree”.

      24. The obvious thing to do… make Saudi Arabia our preferred trading partner.

        • They already are. Only Canada tops them as the largest source of imported crude oil (into the US), and are our largest source of crude oil from the mideast.

      25. We are not a democracy, which means the rule of the mob, but rather a republic. Our institutions are based in the idea of being a republic, much like Rome before the advent of Caesar. The Founders, in fact, excoriated and feared the notion of democracy, and Jefferson, particularly, was well aware that the democracies of the past had always been unadulterated failures.

        That’s why, for example, Gore had won in terms of sheer popularity percentage in 2000, but still lost because he came out behind Bush in the electoral college. We are a republic (or at least supposed to be) and not a democracy.

        That being said, whatever you want to call it, the idea that we can export, instill, and solidify our brand of politics in other parts of the world with completely different political, historical, and religious traditions, not to mention different ethnic and linguistic and cultural backgrounds, is utterly stupid and suicidal. (Omar Sharif called Bush in 2003, and told him that the Middle East would never be able to thrive under so called “democracy”). That’s why American foreign policy is a mind-numbing FIASCO.

        The Saudis are traditionalists. And before we are too judgmental, let’s not forget that most human societies had similar attitudes until very, very recently. They may be draconian, yet when being a moral heterosexual male makes you the enemy in the West, I think their attitudes about homosexuals, criminals, and women should be seen in context.

        If anything, a little bit of thought should make any honest American realize our foreign policy failures, our domestic disloyalty to our Constitution’s safeguards for our Republic and its inherent civil freedoms, the failures of our half-wit politicians trying to export so called “democracy” around the world, and our endless stick-our-nose-in-your-affairs behavior regarding the viewpoints of foreign lands.

        And then, if we can’t realize any of the above errors, we say it’s for the sake of Israel’s sovereignty, and that’s why it’s justifiable to have $15 Trillion in debt, before Americans are left homeless on the very continent its forefathers had attempted to conquer for the sake of perpetual liberty.

        Never mind that George Washington himself warned us to always beware of foreign entangling alliances, which could spell our nation’s doom . . . Or the warning by Eisenhower of the accretion of power by the military industrial complex, funding wars through the creation of mountains of debt, to the point of our nation’s insolvency.

        Forget it, actual thought doesn’t matter. Profiteering through war is our only salvation. Let’s attack Iran as soon as possible, our debt be damned. That will fix everything. Ron Paul knows nothing . . . . .

        • Eloquent observation and statement. +10

          • Thank you for critiquing me, yental, as I truly appreciate your genius in not allowing yourself to be taken in by the ubiquitous disinformation. I execrate the disinformation and lies, which are unfortunately destroying all of us from within . . .

            On a positive note, I do believe the truth is greater and more powerful, and will always see the light . . .


        • ARE YOU “All” PHUCKEN HIGH! Every single WARPIG posting here today advocating we attack iran, pakistan, china, etc etc invade africa… needs to really search their inner souls and ask themselves by what phucken RIGHT DO YOU AND YOURS HAVE TO INVADE THOSE COUNTRIES!

          Tell ya what all You wannabe WARPIGS… post your home addresses here on , i’ll get geared up, in my body armor , armed up and come to your house blasting your phucken front door off with my 12 gauge slug gun and then go bloody stompin’ room to room of your houses/ apts w/ my ak-47 WASTin’ every living soul in your OWN AMERICAN DREAM HOME… in a bloody rage… SLAUGHTERING you and your kids and pretty little wives… “JUST CAUSE I DON”T LIKE YOU and the KIND of food you eat and the bullshit religion you believe in!” or maybe just cause your from a different state than me!

          Sounds FAIR! If ALL you AMERICAN WARPIGS can DO it to MUSLIMS … WHY should I not be able to do it TOO YOU!


          Your ALL lucky I’m not president of these united phucked up states… cause I give the world an enema right this very minute and push the “NUKE BUTTON” launching every NUKE right here on AMERICA AT AMERICA!

          If Your an American , do the World a Favor and Shoot Yourselves!

          Was yesterday NOT JUST CHRISTMAS!

          ignorant phucks… and you call yourselves CHRISTIANS!

          What a joke your religion is… ;0P

          • Woah.. note to Nina.. be sure to stock up on those meds.. and most importantly.. be CERTAIN to take them as directed. ( doubling the dosage might be a wise decision )

            • ;0P pssszzt “MEDS! I DON’T NEED NOOOoooo STINKIN’ MEDS!”

          • Your on a “roll bro” and while I don’t disagree, let me get the hell out of the way. Clear here, carry on.

            • aPOLOGIES @YENTAL … i’ll check my fire ;0)… they pushed my “GO Beserker BUTTON” on this one … best ya’ll just stand behind me as i spray out HATE and DISCONTENT on em’!!! ;0) safe new year to you and yours!

          • Nina..I read most of these posts..and I got a total different consensus..we are anti-war and wish for the idiots in the admin and congress to leave others alone…handle our needs and problems..seems we’ve got our share of those.

            • @jj my apologies ms.jj ;0) i know in my heart your a good christian and i would bleed to defend you ma’am, you represent in everyway what bein’ a christian means @jj – respect!

              but when folks like @sam not sam and the rest of the warpigs and zionistjew trolls here … ;0P start spreadin’ their hate on “towel heads” islamists and muslims , well da’ gloves come off…

        • That was good.

      26. I find it interesting that some people on here want to tell others how to live, what they can and cannot do. But if those same people wanted to ban gun ownership, everyone would be screaming. I don’t understand gay people, I can’t say I ever will. I know some gays that are elderly, and very nice people and seem happy. I am glad to not infringe on their right to be happy, if they don’t infringe on any of my rights to be happy. There are many things I don’t agree with, but as long as I am not forced to do them, who am i to judge someone else’ actions. That job is well above my paygrade. I am not without sin, so I cannot cast stones. If they are cutting thieves hands off? We can dissagree, but how many of us are advocates of a flawed judicial system giving the death penalty out?

        Funny story, my neighbor invited me to church services on Christmas Eve. She told me “Its okay Mike you don’t have to be saved to go to the service”. My response “I wasn’t aware that churchs saved people”. End of conversation

        • Great come back, Mike..and way I see it…let God handle dishing out the penalties..not my job.

          Great post.

        • You know, its funny, in my lilly white, anti-gay, straight laced county we’re taught that homosexuality is a sickness. While I certainly don’t approve of it, its a moral decision that, as long as it doesn’t infringe upon my rights, I have nothing to say about it. If my kids turned gay, I’d still have to love them. I’d remind them I don’t approve but its not my life.

          But, as sick as we’re supposed to think homosexuality is, I’ve known 5 gay people. 4 women (two couples) and one guy. Frankly, I’d trust every one of them more than I would trust the general non-gay public in almost every way.

          The one guy is certainly one of the finest people on the planet. If being good and honest would get you into heaven, well, I’d expect him in line ahead of me. Ouch. That should make the homophobe in all of us wince.

          Hehe. The Bible certainly doesn’t say a church ever saved anyone. That was a pretty witty comeback.

          The fact is, you can get some spiritual “food”, if you will, by going to church but you have to want it. Its not something people can goad you into.

      27. The thing that I see most people missing, is the example.
        Just as Christians say and think, “What would Jesus do?” Muslims ask themselves, “What would Muhammad do?”
        The word ‘Islam’ is no more a reference to just a religion than the word ‘light’ only means ‘of little weight’.
        Light can also describe what a bird does on a wire, or what we do to a candle or describe the new dawn.
        “Islam” is inextricably linked to everything Muhammad did. He was not only a religious leader but a military and political leader as well. He used deceit to feign friendship while planning to conquer and when enough of his followers gathered, they began to follow sharia law more strictly and cast out anyone who did not believe as they did. When he conquered a land, he built a mosque as a monument to his conquest. That is why no other religions are allowed in Islamic countries.
        Today, muslims who do not want to press forward with Muhammad’s example are considered radicals in their eyes and we call them moderates because they are against bloodshed and war. They are ostracized from their communities and not allowed to gain political clout or religious leadership status because they are not of the mindset “what would Muhammad do”.
        It is a religion of deceit and conquest, with a political and military agenda to rid the world of all that are not strict followers of Muhammad.
        Sadly, the mainstream media will never allow this to be exposed to the masses as we, as a people, see only the religious aspect of their lives.
        Sometimes I wonder if we ought not view them as a deadly virus that has an almost total mortality rate. IF Islam WAS a virus, we would go to great lengths to eradicate it.

        • Should the “extreme factions” of this “religion” become the majority here at home, or even a “relentless minority” (as is evidenced in many European countries today), then WE will need some industrial strength “Roundup” to eradicate the “weeds” in the muslim garden. Time will tell. Assuming “time” survives as well.

          But then again, I have the same concern about “Zionist” of all flavors, whether Muslim, Jew, Christian, or whatever.

          • No, yental, you don’t understand. The “extreme factions” are literally the norm. The non-extreme factions are the disobeyers, the “infidels”. All you have to do is read a little of the Koran and you see this. YouTube search “Three Things About Islam” and watch that slideshow. Very informative and true. I know, I researched most aspects of it.

            This is not a religion, as Scott so eloquently (and quite subversively) put it. This is an INVASION PLAN. Like a virus, you have to eradicate it for the world to be safe. It is, essentially, a plan to enslave all of man kind under a singularity of control.

        • Hmmm….What would Tom do…?

      28. I purchased another “box” of nickels the other day at the bank. I like seeing the woman at the business drive through pick them up and put them in the customer push out box. Am I first? She’s stronger than she looks! I’m still waiting for her to ask why I need so many nickels!

        Has anybody here been to Saudi Arabia?

        • Anonymous,

          Ok why do you need buy nichels?
          I guess I’m missing something.


          • opps nickels,
            Helen Keller typing class didn’t work out so well.

            • Would you take a wooden one or one made of 75% Cu and 25% Ni? I would buy pre 1982 pennies but they don’t make them anymore.

              Go to coinflationdotcom and study then think grasshopper.

            • Anonymous,
              Well guess I should just hold on to those rolls of change then. I know I ask alot of dumb-ss stuff but hey you never learn anything by keeping your mouth shut.


          • I think that the content of metal in the nickel is worth more than face value of the nickel.

        • yes i have during desert storm .I was in all three countries.i wish that i wouold have bought more silver for 8.00 oz. sold by the nomads

        • I have been collecting nickels(pre-82), and pennies(pre-82) for a long time now. Some might ask why I sort out the older nickels and I just don’t buy boxes. Call me a nut, but I just dont trust our gubmint. They say that the newer nickels are the same metal composition as the older ones, but when I have a handful older nickels in hand they all feel slippery. They also feel heavier, and they don’t smell the same. Before you call me a nut case, get 25 pre-82 nickels in 2 hands, move your fingers threw them, feel the weight, and give them a smell. Now get 25 newer nickels do the same. you will either see what I mean, or you will say to yourself, that kevin is a moron. Ever wonder why (they say) that we only debased our pennies in 82, but canada debased pennies AND nickels? I just wouldnt put it past the treasury to change the comosition without telling us. They say the newer nickels are 75% copper, BUT they stopped making pennies out of copper because they couldnt afford copper???? Conspericy theory?? YES, but food for thought

          • Kevin,

            Great now I’m going to have to sort through all those damn nickels again and weigh them. Thats going to drive me right over the edge, screw them pennies way to many to even try and go through. I know I’m a nut I pay for everthing with paper if its $1.01 I give them $2 and throw the change in my old water jug.


            • This is just “my” way of thinking. Stay with the boxes. I could be wrong. I just dont trust the treasury!

            • Kevin,

              I’ll weigh them I’ll hold them, but dude I am not going to sniff my change, I mean really take a close look at the people that hand you back change.. The more I think about it hell now I may have to disinfect them.

              Sorry man gotta draw the line somewhere…LMFAO

        • Er Hamas, not Iran.

      29. STOP!!!! Listen to your selves.. this is what evil dose!!!!!!!!! argue-rant-rave… PRAY FOR PEACE. WE ALL WANT TO SEE OUR CHILDREN GROW-UP. to live happy. to be healthy. SIMPLE THINGS!!!! IF YOU BELIVE IN JESUS OR IF YOU DON’T ….. YOUR CHOICE? TO ME THAT’S ALL WE HAVE IS JESUS. YOU KNOW WHY ITS SIMPLE.. HE LOVE’S ME THAT’S IT..

        • on my flight to desert storm .or as it was called desert shield.My 4th Cavelry unit we were shoulder to shoulder on a slim 747 with our weapons between our knees and our prayers were to hope it was not Armeggedon.

        • Do all Christians have broken Caps Lock keys?

      30. Greetings Everyone!
        Hope the holidays were kind to you and yours.
        I have met and talked to both the Jewish side and muslim side of the equation mentioned at the top.BOTH have a “hidden” hatred for non-believers.The more “pious”,the greater the hatred.As a Jewish kid put it to me long ago:Goys(non Jews)are either shitzers or shwatzers (white dogs or black dogs,not even considered human) by pious Jews.If you are a Christian witnessing about J.C. in a New York Jewish enclave,be prepared to have rocks and other unpleasant items thrown at you by “pious”,black hatted boys with long curls who consider it a “act of worship” to attack you on the public street.Been there,had it done at least once.
        Muslims are certainly no better,they feel they have the “right” to attack you if your an infidel,no matter where you are.As long as they have enough numbers.I do agree with the thought that,the US should stay out of the Middle East.let the righteous muslims kill each other over their differences and then try to attack the State of Israel(No doubt the Saudis get a serious helping of nuks dropped on Mecca and all the “holy” sites around there for their trouble!).The Jews have been systematically “relocating” Arabs from Israel by force for some time now,with the unstated goal of removing ALL non-Jewish believers in the not-so-distance future.NO NON-JEW is permitted citizenship in Israel.Period.Every time there is an attack,another bus-load or two of towel heads gets shipped to Gaza and beyond.
        Nowadays,it seems to this writer at least,that people world-wide have lost the power of reason and are going nuts with violence and callous disregard for their fellow humans.
        I guess it’s all symptomatic of the general subliminal feeling that CHANGE is finally arriving,on time and on target.And when it does arrive,there will be no room for people with such savage attitudes and inhumane acts( all done while claiming to commit such acts in the name of GOD).
        Hard times ahead,
        Best to All,
        Hope you all have enough heat,food and shelter

      31. Had a disagreement with Kevin2 on this very subject. The stated goal of Islam is world domination. They will kill or enslave any non muslim to achieve their goal. Thomas Jefferson warned about it with the barbary pirates and even had Koran’s printed for the diplomats and military to study to learn about them. Anyone who says its a peaceful religion is full of crapola and needs to study more.
        Happy new year

      32. One other quick thought. I always tell my friend’s kids that I was spoon fed information in high school, force fed in the army and in colege just learned to vommit the information on exams. It is our responsibility to educate ourselves on every subject that affects our lives. We have all been taught somethings in schools that we have found out later in life that were only partial truths or completely false. Was anyone taught how the fed was created in a school. It is our responsibility to go out and research these things from different perspectives and draw our own conclusions.

        So often we cry about being duped. Whether from the organized religions, politicians, teachers or bankers. But it was our own faults for allowing ourselves to be duped, because we never verified, just trusted.
        One of the reasons I am drawn to these sites is that I am learning so much information from people that do question what most citizens just assume to be fact. For that I am grateful.

        That being said, I am woefully uneducated about muslims.

      33. On the bright side of saudi arabia, THEY ARE NOT TEACHING 10 YEAR OLDS THAT BEING A HOMO IS NATURAL like they are here in the states in california right now, and since california is the biggest text book customer, it will be coming to a school district near you soon!!! Homos adopting kids piss me off to. Marriage?? I will side with the bible on this one to. MAN AND WOMAN!!

        • For all the narrow minded that are not secure in their own sexuality, like Kevin, homosexuality also occurs widely in nature as well and is not unique to humans.

          Therefore, you can’t prey it away, chemically treat them, beat the crap out of them to change them, or introduce religious based laws to change them – this is merely persecution and oppression….next step fascism.

          Try accepting that other people are different and get on with it. You should try it.

          • Narrow minded, sexualy insecure? hahahaha! these are words from the public school progams, they have taught you well. I dont want to change anyone, THE HOMOS shove their lifestyles into us(pun)force their beliefs into our children(pun)and DEMAND we change our beliefs, change our society. Why can’t they just do what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms, and leave US the F@ck alone!

          • One more thing. when we where at the zoo once, a monkey started playing with itself, since masturbation occurs widely in nature, why dont we all just go to the zoo and play with ourselves!! Google the communist party goals for america, see what they say about homosexuality. Our society has been transformed, almost all of THEIR goals have been accomplished. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

          • Nexus789 – Take your Coexist and shove it up your ass…

          • You are right nexus, homosexuality does occur in nature but only in overcrowded/overstressed populations that cause the individuals to demonstrate abnormal behaviors. Doesn’t mean that it is natural. There is a reason that adam and eve could have kids but adam and steve could not. That being said, we are still called to love others. I also believe that what someone does in the privacy of their own home is their business if it does not harm someone else.

        • You know what they say about the ones who protest the loudest…..better zip up, Kev.

          I’m not real clear on the entire thing, but I’m pretty sure NOT JUDGING is in the Bible too. Perhaps you need to worry about your own salvation first. Reading your hate-filled spew, you have a lot of work to do.

          • Hate filled spew??? hahahahah! There is no hate in my statement, nothing but love. Love of the children in my family, love of home schooling, love of my society, love of country, and love of god. you miss understand(I forgive you, you are conditioned). unnnnnzip!

      34. you All and MAC SLAVO should be focusing your energies and brain power on doing this in your own states…

        Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate

        montana’s MAX BAUCUS AND JOHN TESTER both our BOUGHT AND PAID for by ISRAELIzionists… both have SOLD OUT MONTANA and AMERICA and U.S. VETERANS , an accepted bribes from ISRAEL! `truth! All one has to do is research their voting record!

        • You kidding? I went through a spell, calling my my senators office all the time, 3 audits, and 3 jury duties took care of that. About 20 years ago, I flipped a judge off in traffic(he flipped me off first) When we were stopped at a red light, and yelling at each other, is when I recognized him. I got put on the F$ck with him list. I got pulled over more times then I can remember. Once in front of another judge, I got 1200 for running a stop sighn,1200 for 5 miles over, and 500 court costs each(20 years ago) That coked out, and perverted judge died of natural causes about 15 years ago. May you rot in hell judge x…..x. RECALL???? hahahah, what a joke. You cant fight the emperor, in the emperors court. Ask erwin schiff, he had 42 witnesses, the feds had ZERO!! By the way, erwins still in jail! WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE!

      35. Saudi Highschool Textbook: Jews Need to Be Exterminated and Homosexuals Should Be ‘Put to Death’

        Still not enough to convince liberal drones that Muslims are evil people.

        • That is an ignorant statement. Sounds like you pulled it right out of Bush JR’s speech. You are suggesting that since I won’t group an entire race I am a liberal. How old are you? How far down your lineage do you have to travel before you get to one of your reletives that were of the opinion that native americans were savages and should be slaughtered. Or slaves were to be traded on an open market. Does that make you evil? Were your great grandparents evil?
          That statement you made was straight up fuckin ignorant.

          • i know who this is … he’s age 58. ;0P

          • Mike, it sounds like we wouldn’t have to climb the family tree to find evil. This dude is full enough of hate himself.

        • Hardly any different to christofacist wing nuts that exist in the US and other so called Christian countries….during the crusades the Christians were far more barbarous than the Muslims.

          • ***Caution!! Approaching 99% Sarcasm Zone!!**
            I was wondering when somebody would mention the crusades. They always do! Hey, you forgot the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem witch trials. And a few hundred fallen preachers of late (Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker etc) **Sarcasm Off**

            “christofacist wing nuts”? Are you serious? Who’s been persecuting you? Some pastor twist your arm and force a donation from you? There is no comparison whatsoever between Sharia law and the attempts of people in a Christian-founded nation (that’s right!) to resist the wholesale attacks on public morality that is presently occuring.

            • AMEN Smokie!

            • Well put Okie!

      36. NinaOrket- well, yes, these poor fools have decieved themselves that they are Christian. They are warmongering fools, who spew violence and hatred.

        However, Christianity is a religion of peace and love. Self defense is justified in Christianity, that is, a person has a right to defend himself/herself and their home and their homeland against villians and evildoers.

        So yes, these fools who advocate going to war against countries that have done us no harm are fooling themselves. They are about as Christian as Satan himself. They have swallowed the unlimited lies fed to them by the Lamestream Media.

        • many thanks and bless thee @clarification ninaO… i have two awesome very christian neighbors… who are attemptin’ too save my black soul… they’re good people and preach the good book correctly! thank you for correcting my rant… apologies if i offended you or any other “good” god fearin’ christians.

      37. U.R.P – for those who may have been traveling; the Ready Store ( advertises on this site ) has instant oatmeal on sale for $4.25 per #10 can. 3 lbs, I think.

        I always like to post great buys for fellow preppers when I see them.. I haven’t seen a price this good on 20-30 year canned oatmeal before.. everyone else I’ve checked is close to double the price. I think it is good until 12-31..

        • Sam,

          Thats a great price, you always seem to find the great deals. Is it just me that has a problem buying a can of food that will out live me???? Oh well guess I can always pass them down to my daughter..


          • I know that feeling DPS.. but I live in hurricane central and I just got tired of having to rotate the normal canned goods every few years; so after researching things, I settled on F.D and long term packaged goods. One time purchase, set for 20+ years. I figure if I live and we don’t use it, around 2030 or so, some food pantry will be getting one heck of a donation.

            • Sam,

              I live in tornado ally so I would have to go to smokinokies place to rotate my caned goods..And 2030 you say, WOW hell if I’d known I was going to live this long I’d taken better care of my body.

              Retired motocross rider..

        • December 31st?

          • I think so… their website says “until the end of the year”

      38. aren’t we teaching elementary school kids that bestiality is normal now? seem like I just read an article about that….

        • Beasiality normal?! I’d like to see that article. I have never heard of such a thing. In fact, bestiality is outlawed in all states as I understand it, and is also considered a mental defect… someone correct me if I am wrong and please CITE YOUR SOURCE!

      39. Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate

        Montanans Launch Recall of Senators Who Approved NDAA Military Detention. Merry Christmas, US Senate – Salem-News.Com

        Montana is one of nine states with provisions that say that the right of recall extends to recalling members of its federal congressional delegation, pursuant to Montana Code 2-16-603, on the grounds of physical or mental lack of fitness, incompetence, violation of oath of office, official misconduct, or conviction of certain felony offenses.

        Section 2 of Montana Code 2-16-603 reads:

        “(2) A public officer holding an elective office may be recalled by the qualified electors entitled to vote for the elective officer’s successor.”

      40. ALL religions are a complete and utter waste of time…mumbling to imaginary entities is amusing and profoundly disturbing to the rest of us. The religious wing nuts in the US would love to introduce medieval laws so that people would only learn how to behave properly if they feared what would happen to them if they broke the law –

        Americans stupidly wasted thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. Saddam and Gaddafi were dictators but they recognised how to manage Islamic societies while keeping a lid on potential religious conflict.

        All America’s meddling has done is let the genie out of the bottle and it can’t put it back. A complete and utter clusterfuck.

      41. Wow, everyone needs to listen to themselves. Its good that your not ignorant about the economy, but now your ignorant about Islam. Anyone know what are the 5 pillars of Islam? 1) believing in Allah and Prophet Muhammad 2) pray 5 times a day, 3) giving charity to the poor, 4) fasting Ramadan, 5) make pilgrimage to Meccah.
        No where does it say kill all non-Muslims.

        It’s not okay to lie to anyone whether Muslim or non-Muslim. If anyone knows Islam, they would point out that Prophet Muhammad’s neighbor was a Jew. And that Jews and Christians were part of the Islamic Ottoman empire living peacefully with Muslims. When Roman empire leader juleus ceazer was killing the Jews, they Jews went to the Ottoman empire for protection.

        Sure there are radicals, but they don’t represent the vast majority of Muslims. We respect women rights. No where in the Quran does it say women cannot work, drive, have rights, or there weak. RATHER, THE QURAN SAYS THAT MEN AND WOMEN HAVE SAME RIGHTS BUT MEN HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THE WIFE.

        Also, gays and lesbians are not killed for being what they are. Its a sin, but not killed. I believe that the reason peoples are fighting is because there is no TRUST like there was back then. When Jews used to leave there kids with palestinians to take care of.

        My reference: Quran.

        • Yes that explains Infitada, Jihad, Fatwa, all versions of kill the Infidel. We do not even have english words or cancepts for these. I do not care what you say, it is what you do that counts.

        • LOL.

        • To listen to yourselves says,
          The Koran ALSO said it’s perfectly correct to “lift off the head of a NON-Believer”.I have had this explained as “shaving off the hair” by certain muslims folks.What passes the test is “show me your faith w\o works and I’ll show you my faith by my works”.That axiom applies by what the group as a whole does.And by the way,it the Ottoman Empire that raped/killed off millions of unarmed Armenians that resided there.We won’t even talk about what Iranians CONTINUE do to a woman who is raped(it’s ALWAYS her fault.If it’s a close family member,the man’s word is always considered the God’s Truth,no matter what happened).As seen above,the Saudis OFFICIAL Shara-law police are just as wicked.So take your lies(as commanded to tell by the prophet himself to nonbelievers!)that you try to spread and put them on some-else’s bread.In this country(so far)you are allowed freedom of religion,while in ANY muslim state you’re NOT.Try to speak the truth and you will be set free,friend!
          Best to All(even listen to yourselves says)

      42. has anyone beside me seen em ‘ put them out to pasture vehicles out in nomads land in the desesrt

      43. What about peace in the name of Islam?
        Why do people have to keep starting hate campaigns?
        Surely if you don’t like your neighbour’s, just ignore them & NOT provoke a response.
        However talking to your neighbour is the BEST solution.
        It is about time the WEST & the Middle east learned that fact!
        War is expensive in terms of lives lost & in financial cost & no one wins a war!

        • War is expensive and no one wins? there is always a winner with anything expensive. follow the money

      44. This is all pretty revoltingly hypocritical, to be honest with you. You all are judging an ENTIRE NATION on it’s textbooks? Would ours be that completely different if the religious right had it’s way? Nope. Our kids wouldn’t learn about evolution or any other science that questions the theocracy. And look at Michelle Bachmann, trying to “cure” gay people.

        Now, let’s put that into perspective….does every single white Christian in the entire United States feel that way? Hell no!!! You are putting words in the mouth of an entire nation!!!

        I don’t expect to come here and read ignorance and bigotry run amok. I’m disappointed in this whole discussion.

        Let them have their freakin’ country and run it how they want to. This has nothing to do with America.

        • Sorry Daisy, my ignorance and bigotry has to run amok. That’s the only exercise it gets!

          Dippy as she may be on some things, Bachman is righter than you might suspect on the homosexuality issue. It IS a choice. And choices can be changed.
          Now, that doesn’t mean I have to fear or hate homosexuals, it just means I should tell them the TRUTH. And after the truth has been told to them, the response is entirely up to them. I don’t need to change them, in fact I can’t change them. But if I understand God’s truth on the matter then it would be a sin for me to remain silent. When you have time, please go check out Ann Barnhardt’s rant on ‘being nice’. I think I saw it on her blog, don’t remember exactly where, but it shouldn’t be too hard to find. She has some interesting views on the subject.

          • I’ll definitely check that out, Okie. 🙂

          • SO: While I would like to lean towards the idea that homosexuality is a choice; and it may be for some, scientifically the data suggests that in some or most cases, HS, is hard wired in the brain.

            There may be some “suceptablity” or tendency towards HS also, even as alcoholism is hard wired into the DNA of Native Americans and is triggered by environmental factors after 200 years.

            Example: The pedophile priests of the catholic church have sodomized and abused many hundreds of thousands of straight children generation after generation. These children are traumatized by these experiences.

            These experiences generate emotions and the emotions generate hormones and chemicals that eventually change the way the brain works, much like habitual drug use does on crack heads.

            As a man thinks, so he is. Thoughts are things. OUR thoughts create electrical pathways in OUR minds that leave a chemical and physical imprint on the brain.

            Thus the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children unto the fourth generation; if not perpetuated forever.

            Just a thought.

            • That’s an excellent response dk. I’ve pondered for years about the possibility of electro-chemical pathways in the brain, and their ability to steer a person toward a particular behavior.
              Most of us probably know someone (or we may be that someone) who was subjected to some sort of trauma in childhood, possibly even as an infant and we have no memory of it. Those traumas create permanent microscopic ‘highways’ or pathways in the brain. And they may also trigger some imbalance of hormonal chemicals. That would explain many of the tendencies we humans have toward certain actions (even fears or phobias) which are considered abnormal when compared to the population at large.
              All the more reason not to hate or condemn people as if we were God, or could understand their motivations like He does.
              Still, the actions themselves should not be condoned or promoted as ‘normal.’ I guess that’s where many of us cross the line. We judge the person (which we have no right to do) rather than the actions. Secondly, I believe all Christians should recognize their own sins and confess them before God before trying to ‘fix’ others.

            • Yeah, Okie, I’ve been thinking that the Coach at Penn State (Sandusky?) may have been abused as a kid by his priest, setting in motion a chain reaction which has been exposed (excuse the pun)now.

              It started somewhere.

              It will be interesting to see where his deviant behavior originated as this case unfolds.

          • Quit smokin’ that crappy mud-bud. It makes people delusional.

            You can’t “cure” what is biological phenomenon.

        • “Our kids wouldn’t learn about evolution or any other science that questions the theocracy.”

          I think your keyboarding skills need some work. Didn’t you mean:

          “Our kids wouldn’t learn about evolution or any other theocracy that challenged Christianity.”

          If one REALLY studies “The Theory Of Evolution” one finds that it is much more religion than it is science. In fact, a real scientist would never call it the theory of evolution. They play word magic to try and confuse you. Its scientifically called “Cross Species Evolution” but politically called “The Theory Of Evolution” and its premise is so void of facts, scientifically, that to believe in it requires far more intellectual blindness that anything every deemed printable by mankind. They try to link it with “Inter-Species Evolution” or “Micro Evolution” which is a scientific fact, demonstrable and factual, by using the evolution word to throw you off. Then, they use the magic of time (billions and billions of years) to give it mystery and an untestable quality. VERY much like any religion. If you could run a test and find God, where would that leave faith?

          Anyone here believe in “The Theory Of Evolution”? The author of “The Origin of Species” didn’t. In fact, as people have elevated TTOE to religious status to compete with Christianity, Darwin would be rolling in his grave if he knew.

          When you study it all and realize the fact its actually all quite funny.

          Corruption and manipulation EVERYWHERE. Mankind in a mess. The Creator has tried to straighten us out several times. If I were God (and I cannot be. Its way above my pay grade.) I’d be up there thinking, “Maybe I really did make ONE mistake with this freewill thing…”

          We are the cartoons strip of the planet.

          • No typo, NR.

            Theocracy: Guidance of a state in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance.

            I’m not going to debate evolution – that was just something I threw out there as an example of a topic that some would see removed from our textbooks. That is another argument for another day.

            We seem to be at an impasse of attempting to force our will onto others. While everyone talks about “smaller goverment” what they seem to mean is “smaller government that doesn’t control what *I* want to do.

            I strenuously disagree with the gay-bashing and homophobia I see discussed on here. They are people, just like the rest of us. Some may be good Christians, some may be atheists, some may be the best parents in the world while others might be terrible at it.

            Grouping them all together is just like grouping together every single person in the Middle East or Israel and covering them with one blanket statement.

            My entire post was not about gay rights, but that’s all people chose to see.

            My point is that people need to not generalize and most of all, MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS.

            That doesn’t include standing by and watching someone be abused. I get something a little different from Ann’s blog, Okie. If I sit here and politely shut up (highly unlikely 😉 ) then I’m also in the wrong. I can’t see how a relationship between consenting adults is our business but I can see how discrimination against them IS.

        • Wow! Daisy, please make a drink, and take the rest of the night off from the net, you may type something you’ll regret in the morning. P. S., I have a gay in my family, and I would die for her. I realize she is sickened by the “communist goals of america”. Google that also, you just might see that you have also been sickened by the communists.

          • Really, Kevin? Would you die for her while calling her a “homo” like you did in your rant above?

            Condescend to someone else, please.

      45. You can’t spread “democracy” on the wrong end of a rifle. You can’t spread “democracy” to fundamentally authoritarian societies either.

      46. i was always reminded while growing up that there were three things that polite folks just do not discuss, especially at the dinner table….politics, religion and money matters. i think that my parents were right.

        • Thanks to thier “politeness”, look at the jam we’re in…

        • Gee, in my house it was “politics, religion, and sex”…and especially at the holiday dinner table…but that *was* 1968!


          • Those days sure were dull, were’nt they?

      47. Nice to see that some things never change….been offline a couple months after my old comp died and frankly didnt even miss it much…I will admit to missing this group though..:)
        I enjoy the back and forth even though at times some of the discusion and back and forth gets a long ways off the thought that started it I can appreciate the fact that it makes me look at and consider each position presented before accepting or rejecting it…the open and honest exchange of ideas is important to finding our way down this road we are all on…so anyhow I’m back here listening learning and hopefully teaching somthing,thanks! “Live free or die trying”

        • REB,
          Well good to have you back and your right we may argue alot but what family doesn’t.


        • Welcome back REB!
          DPS- if they had a Dysfunctional Family Award I think the shtfplan group could just edge out the Osbornes and take it! Can I put it on my mantel first? Promise I won’t take it to the pawn shop!

          • Smokin,
            Yepp we would take it hands down, But i don’t want it on my mantel. Hell I’m ready to start tossing out some trophies now.I hope your Christmas (not Holiday) went well.

      48. The NWO wants WWIII because “out of chaos comes (their new world) order.”
        The Iranians want WWIII because out of this massive battle comes their final Imam (according to their version of end times prophecy).
        They both want to bring down the US.
        PREP, PREP, PREP!!!

      49. Oatmeal on sale. Sort your nickels but don’t sniff ’em.(hope & change, sniff your change, see something say something) Hate the homosexuals, tolerate the homosexuals. Ducking friendly fire from ninaorket. Montana begins recall effort. Ample chest in saudi. More oil from Canada. Quotes from Stalin. 9-11….
        I think my brain just exploded…..don’t worry, there wasn’t enough there to make a mess!
        And to think it all started with something about a textbook. Textbook? Did anybody mention textbooks?

        • Smokin,
          Thats some funny stuff, can you just imagine what the forum will look like if we every get it.


        • keeping up with the kerdashftplans!

        • That just brought tears to my eyes I was laughing so hard. Thank you and very well put.

        • pretty much about sums it up. Indeed,Mac stirred up a hornet’s nest. You rock! I always look forward to your posts.

      50. The clash of civilizations is coming and coming soon. Whether they are right, or WE are right makes no difference in the end.

        In the end …..

        It only matters who is still standing. May it be US.

      51. As a speaker of Arabic and having a Master’s degree in Islamic Studies, I can tell you that the above information is actually quite old, and really is not a new story. I do not want to sound like I am uncaring about this issue, but this is Islamic theology. Anybody who has read, either in English or in Arabic, the Koran (Islamic sacred scripture) and the Hadeeth (Islamic sacred tradition) knows that the violence in Islam is ingrained and inseparable from the theology.

        As for any comparison between Islam and Christianity, the similarities between the two are at best superficial because the theologies are irreconcilably in opposition to each other. Yes, there are good and bad Moslem people alike, as there are in any religion be it Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Atheism, and so on. However, what any person or group of person believes does not change orthodox theological teaching, as theology is based upon a presumed value regarded as absolute truth.

        Briefly stated, in Islamic theology the concept of man’s human dignity is not intrinsic, but is conditional upon obedience of Islamic theological teachings. This is the reason for the violence against non-Moslems as well as non-practicing Moslems. Thus while there certainly are benevolent Moslem individuals, orthodox Islamic theology does not and cannot change.

        I recommend that anybody who wants to understand Islam read Islam’s own sources for its theology and history, beginning with the Life of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, as it was translated and published by Oxford University Press and can be purchased on Amazon for about $30. It is a very accurate, fascinating, and disturbing account in Islam’s own words about the religion, Mohammed, and how the theology unites with what we see happening today.

      52. Heard yesterday that ‘Anonymous’ hacked Stratfors computers and swiped some of their clients credit card info. Yeah, that Stratfor, the so-called security analysis experts! They then made donations to various charities with the cards. I don’t approve of hacking or theft, but it was kinda funny! Robin Hood Lives!

      53. every time I hear about another massacre in Syria, another deadly street demonstration in Cairo, another suicide bombing in Iraq, another drone strike in Pakistan and Afghanistan, another Israeli incursion or airstrike into Gaza to stop the rockets, another revenge killing in Libya, another Turkish airstrike into Northern Iraq to punish the Kurds etc. etc.

        I just smile and laugh because more muslims are killing other muslims….there are no good guys or bad guys in the islamic world….just people who need to die and the sooner the better.

      54. ask and you all shall … receive … your future leader has arrived from israel amerika … “boy ohhh boy are you “good christians” in trouble now!” it is this very man nwo sellout’s max baucus an john tester of montana and the rest of the nwo bilderboybugger u.s brided congress present their arses an bow too to be corn holed dry by israelzionistjews!

        Fanatic Rabbi Who Teaches “Goyim Slavery” Comes to US

        • They will never grasp it.

      55. back to the article…
        OK, so I’ll say it. “According to the translations women
        are considered weak & irresponsible” Really? And the men are SO strong and dependable? I guess I’m just one of those who can’t pass up the opportunity to speak up for my gender. Women have come a long way and men know it, and they rely on it, and they fear it. And if the right woman ran for president I would vote for her.
        WEAK? Try having a baby, try working full time and raise your kids with morals while juggling everything.
        Now, on a personal note, I DID NOT get my wheelbarrow for Christmas so when the logs need to be brought to the porch he can get them himself because I’m too weak!

        • Yo go Grrrrl!

        • Maybe its just me but here in my neck of the woods there seems to be alot of strong dependable women and alot of weak undependable boys who pretend to be men,rather have to depend on some of these ladies in a pinch than most of these guys…..just saying!

      56. ON THE SUBJECT OF HOMOSEXUALITY and how that comes to be: I’ve heard that 1/2 of them were born into it, and the other 1/2 just got sucked into it…

        • Butch:
          Maybe we should just put this whole gay thing behind us!
          Jus’ sayn’

      57. The thing is – a lot of high powered gays and Jews (especially in Hollyweird) are pushing for open borders, unlimited immigration, and globalism.
        This to include having the the very people (such as in the above article) who hate them coming here too. How ironic.

      58. Its like looking in a mirror. We are doing the same to them. Our way or death. Do unto others coming home to roost. Will the corrupted MIC political banking complex save us? Or did they cause this? I hope things hold together long enough to at least get one more vote.

      59. Come and get me….I’m waiting for you….

      60. DPS…SmokinOkie…Thanks!

      61. 1. Jews killed Jesus.
        2. Global Jewish bankers are enslaving nations with debt.

        And folks wonder why people are pissed off at the Jews.
        mac, don’t you delete this.
        It’s all fact and you know it.

        • Sorry , but I killed Jesus.
          I was so filthy in my sin that I had NO CHANCE of ever being united with my creator and had NO WAY to pay my debt.
          Doesn’t matter who betrayed, accused, sentenced or executed.
          Jesus bailed me out.
          Jesus had to die for me.

          • Stunningly well said..

          • Amen brother

      62. I think some distinctions need to be made here, Mac.

        Christianity is not a theocracy. The proof is in the words of Jesus himself.

        “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44

        Constantine burned Christians before he ordered everyone in the Roman empire to become one. The Reformation dealt with that. Not all churches take the Apostle Paul’s words on homosexuality literally and those that do are not running around calling for gays to be put to death.

        Too Add This Up: The distinction needs to be made between Jews and Khazars. Yes, the Jews killed Jesus. Have you seen any Pharisees or Sadducees around lately? The Khazars call themselves Jews, although they are not of the Hebrew lineage.

        Google The History of the House of Rothschild by Andrew Hitchcock

      63. Well, Mac-Man, I’ll have to give you credit – you leave the opposing comments up, instead of deleting them. And I’m not talking about MY commments!
        Hats off to you Mac for that!

        btw: this article sucks!

      64. Mac:
        These blogs you put up are FAR better than most of the TV “NEWS”.Even most of the folks who post here on either side of an issue are able to articulate what they believe!
        Tip of the Hat to Ya!
        See you on the far side of this current mess,hopefully!


      66. When I worked in Iraq (2004-08) I ran across American Soldiers handing out leaflets to the locals trying to get them to accept Jesus Christ into their miserable lives and getting them to covert into happy clapper Baptists or whatever. I asked this young kid handing these leaflets out (he was from North Carolina as it turns out) I asked him what he would do if he saw a bunch of Muslims handing out leaflets to local kids in his home town, trying to convert Americans to the Muslim faith? He lost his temper and ranted on about throwing scum like that out of his town and how dare Dirty Muslims try to pollute American kids with that Barbaric devil worship religion!!!

        I think that kid is still lost for words, trying to explain why 20 Non American contractors threw coke cans, water bottles and a few rocks at him calling him every expletive under the sun for being a dick head and peddling his devil worship crap as we drove past him further up the street. He was utterly humiliated!!! Standing there in his BDUs with his gob wide open and us all laughing at him.

        Americans just don’t realize that most of the world don’t want what Americans have. The way of life, life style, education system or style of religion. If we wanted to live like Americans we’d move there! Most of us a happy NOT living as Americans do.

        Living south of the equator I’m happy with the easy going way of life, higher than American income, million times better food and way higher standard of living. Can’t be too bad with thousands of Americans now living here. They are everywhere!! Can’t go anywhere without finding them. They are coming here by the plane load!

        God help them if they start preaching to the locals telling us how to run our lives or that we aren’t religious enough, or that we don’t mention the US in our schools. Nothing worse than having foreigners coming to your country and dictating how the natives should live right? I’m gonna smack the first one the makes a whinney noise.

      67. As a two year resident in Riyadh (Capitol) Saudi Arabia, I can speak from experience.

        Never in my life have a lived in a more hypocritical place.

        ALL of it’s citizens are brainwashed. Five times a day, starting at around 4:30-5:00 am (varies according to the phase of the moon) ALL are called to prayer. For their entire life, 7 days a week, 5 times a day, 52 weeks per year, they go and listen to a Mullah and say their prayers bowing to Mecca and Medina. So for an 20 year old person, it roughly equates to a maximum 36,500 visits to the Mosque for indoctrination and prayer. In the Western world, if a person went every Sunday to church, a 20 year old would have made 960 visits. This is a ratio of 38:1 of religious doctrination.

        On par with the above I experienced this indoctrination in an Arab by conversation. When we reached a certain point in any, logic, reason and discussion went “out the window”, it was if I had hit a brick wall and no amount of reasoning or talking could get through the “haze” that had been set up in their minds and in their hearts. It was very upsetting to me, yet eye opening at the same time. They also were some of the most paranoid people I had ever met. At least untill Obama got elected.

        Out of all the Saudis I met in two years of living and working in their Capitol City, I only met one I could trust with my life. All others could not be trusted in any sense. They ALWAYS had another agenda. There were the simple ones, bedouins, that were reasonably ok and I got along with them, but in any strife or in any topic of controversy, one could not trust them with your back turned.

        I knew beyond a shadow of doubt that we (America) were going to exerience trouble at the hands of Islam and the Saudi’s, when I left that place in the spring of 1993. I told everyone about it when I got back home to America and it mostly fell on deaf ears.

        One thing I’ll ask the reader:

        If you want to hide something so it will not be found, where do you put it?


        Right out in the open, so every day it is there, big as life and out in the open. IT becomes SO MUCH A PART OF THE LANDSCAPE, it is completely and utterly ignored.


        What is at the top of every Mosque?


        The Crescent Moon.


        What is Islams universal symbol?

        Answer: Crescent Moon and Stars.

        Why is this important?

        What is the crescent moon and stars symbolic of?


        Ponder on that.


        • Hi Terry,

          I would like to clarify a few things as a Muslim. We Muslims pray 5 times a day, and the times are set according to the sun, so sunrise, afternoon, late afternoon, sunset, and at night are the times that we pray. When we pray behind an Imam, we only listen to the verses of the Qur’an that the Imam recites and it is not indoctrination as you may think. We pray to remember our Lord, to remember that we are His servants and to Him we shall return.

          I don’t understand what you mean by indoctrination in conversation with an Arab and how logic was thrown out the window, can you explain that?

          And about the crescent moon and star, this was not the symbol for Muslims at all, it was used at first by the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century and used by Muslim countries in the 1950s & 1960s so it really has nothing to do with Islam. As a Muslim who has a little knowledge of his religion, the crescent moon and star mean nothing to me.

      68. The usual Israelite hating crap…
        …at least they got the homo part right.

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