Hidden Tariff On American Citizens In New Immigration Bill: Millions More Stand To Lose Their Jobs

by | Jun 26, 2013 | Headline News | 270 comments

Leave it to the best and brightest in Congress to craft legislation that does more harm than good.

Amid a national employment crisis that has left one in every three Americans near poverty and on government welfare, our dear leaders have taken it upon themselves to legislate millions more out of jobs.

The Obamacare mandates slated to go into effect next year will force employers to provide health care coverage, or pay a fine to the government of $3000 per employee if they fail to do so. This is a job killer in and of itself, but it doesn’t stop there.

Under the immigration legislation making its way through Congress right now there exists a provision that will allow illegal immigrants residing in the United States the option of being classified as “registered provisional immigrants,” which means they can work legally within the United States. It sounds like a great idea to the progressive-minded.

Here’s the problem.

“Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldn’t be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens – at least 13 years under the Senate bill – businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead.”

What the new legislation essentially does is place a tariff on hiring American citizens.

Estimates suggest that well over thirty million immigrants, perhaps more, will benefit from the law.

Who won’t benefit?

That’d be the 23% of Americans who have lost their jobs over the last five years, and the millions more who are struggling to stay gainfully employed in the worst labor market since the great depression.

You see, coupled with Obamacare the immigration bill gives employers absolutely no incentive to hire Americans. In fact, it punishes them for doing so by mandating company sponsored medical coverage or forcing them to pay a tax for failure to provide their employees with healthcare.

By hiring a provisional immigrant, they can avoid those taxes for up to thirteen years.

Businesses across the country are barley staying afloat and Congress will leave them no choice but to lay off employees who will cost them more money under the new healthcare mandates.

It’s basic economics, something our Congressional membership fails to understand.

This is what happens when you don’t read the bills before you pass them.

As you may have guessed, it’s likely that not a single one of the representatives who are in support of the immigration overhaul have read the 1,200 page legislation.

Here are a few responses from the bill sponsors when they were pressed to address the provisional immigrant issue:

“We’re trying to solve that right now. I don’t know if that’s been solved,” Senator Max Baucus of Montana (chief author of Obamacare) told The Weekly Standard.

“I don’t know. I’d have to look at it closely,” said Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania. “I just haven’t read it that closely to know.”

Senator Tom Carper of Delaware said he was too busy to answer the question. “I don’t have the time to drill down on it right now.”

Congress is a vote away from vaporizing millions of jobs because of the ignorance and complacency of the majority of  its members.


It really makes you wonder… are they doing this intentionally?

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    1. Indy Colts

      Sometimes I wish I wouldn’t have taken the red pill.

      • OutWest

        Of course it’s intentional. The readers of SHTF know
        this, that’s why we are here.
        It seems though that the brain dead 99% are waiting
        for some official decree from the government saying
        they have drawn a line in the sand and they are now
        going to bury us alive.
        Sheeple stupidity is boundless.

        • DRD5508

          Obama Care and the Immigration Bill are 2 very evident examples of the gov’t trying to set up a voting block to remove the 2nd amendment and of course others. The illegals will be a voting block registered to the Dem. party (though the majority won’t vote). A block of names to use in any election to completely erase the Constitution and any individual rights.
          Our mantra should be not only ‘not one more inch’ but also ‘not one more cent’.
          I got 2 more First Aid Kits. You all know the streets will be full of blood very soon. I feel for the elderly and the children.

          • Swinging on a star

            They are all in it for themselves, who the hell cares about the people any more. This is the most vile, criminal and evil administration that we have ever lived under.

            Nothing should surprise you anymore, just get ready for the gates of hell to open. When I read the news I feel like my head is going to explode. They are shoving gay marriage down our throats, God is to be abolished, greed is good if you are one of the elite. I have never seen such displays of selfish ineptitude and vulgar disregard for the people who built this country through hard work and sacrifice. I am sickened by all of it and I hope and pray that it all comes crashing down soon.

            Lies, manipulation, usury, hatred, bullying, discriminating(against the hard working middleclass), scare tactics, spying, persecuting and ruling like the false gods that they are, is what we are facing on a daily basis.

            They are forcing immoral laws and judgment upon us all in the name of Satan. That is exactly what I believe.

            • DRD5508

              Swinging, you’re not alone in your beliefs. Just read where the Seattle baseball stadium will fly a gay flag this Sunday. What is a gay flag? Is it a guy with a baseballba…never mind.

              • mynutsyerchin

                You guys are to focused on religion and gay stuff. The result being that you may THINK you are enlightened, but this is just another vector for the powers that be to get you to buy into their distractions. Put your buy-bull down, for real.

                • SD Mule


                  I agree!!

                • Chumbawamba

                  Dude is entirely right. And there is more to life than this fear porn stuff. You create your own reality, and by consuming this crap day in/day out you are creating an ugly reality. Look, I know, I was a regular reader here for years, until I got sick of everyone promising the end that never came.

                  Go on and live life. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. If and when it comes, you’re ready. If it never does, thank God.

              • swampratt

                DRD5508 As stated in last article those people who believe in their leader and everything he stand for
                have been given a reprobate mind to prosue their
                lusts and believe a lie

                • DRD5508

                  swamp, I have answer this question biblical for many years now, concerning the sickos. Here goes:
                  2 Thess. 2:11-12
                  Rom. 1:24-28

                  We must endure till the end, for many have need of endurance.

              • Anonymous

                Chandler will love it!

            • Tucker

              I feel your pain, Swinging on a star. But, what we are seeing unfold here in Amerikwa – is not new. All one has to do to recognize the template that is being imposed on our society is to go back and examine the period of Weimar Republic Germany. Then, as now, jews seized dominance and control over a historic White Christian European nation. Then, as now, they began to work to subvert the moral fiber and undermine the traditions, and cultural standards that had their foundations built upon Christian morality and ideals.

              Weimar Republic Germany was literally saturated with perversity of all imaginable forms. Decadence and depravity and rampant promiscuity and prostitution consumed the German society and the purveyors of these social ills attacked the traditional values and culture of the host population of Germany relentlessly, just as the Cultural Marxist jews and their treasonous white elitist allies are doing today here in America.

              There was a famous quote from one of the Frankfurt School architects whereby this evil, depraved, nation wrecking termite boasted: “We will make America stink”, meaning of course, that these subversives intended to pollute every corner of Western society with their depravity and perversion.

              Here is a good source on the Frankfurt School and it’s diabolically evil agenda:


              The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt
              Timothy Matthews – Catholic Insight March 2009

              Hence, we have the very same tribe of nation destroying termites chewing away at the foundations of our once great society that were chewing away on the foundations of the German society, prior to the arrival of a much demonized fellow with a funny looking mustache who promised his people that he would fix the problem.

              And, once we had been conned into helping the termites destroy this guy – the termites turned on America and today, we see the end result.

              Joe Biden praising the termites for all the destructive damage they’ve done to America?

              • ConstitutionGal

                WOW! Seems like your one source has it all! Except that it doesn’t as it seems to be missing a few pertinent facts. So, allow me since you quoted the “Catholic Insight” to give a few quotes of my own as not only has our own country’s Constitution been squandered, but the true Word of the Messiah long before that! We have SO MUCH resources at our disposal these days to seek out the truth of lost history as never before. So, here are my own quotes using Catholic sources:

                “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus “Christ”, he IS Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of the flesh.” – The Catholic National, July 1895

                “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty” – Pope Leo XIII Encyclical letter of June 1894

                “for thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husband man, finally, thou art another God on earth” (speaking of the Pope) Labbe and Cossart’s “History of the Councils, vol XIV, col. 109

                “Sun Day is Our Mark of authority…and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” – Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Sept. 1, 1923

                When asked of the Roman Church WHY their symbols and day of worship are so closely related to sun god worship, their reply, “of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sun Day) was her act…And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” – H.F. Thomas, Chancelor of Cardinal Gibbons

                See Daniel 7:25

                A.D. 435 Pope Sixtus III Institutes The Worship of Apollyon as the “Christ Mass” – “In Rome, December 25 was made…the rule in the West in 435 when the first “Christ Mass” was officiated by Pope Sixtus III. This coincided with the date of a celebration by the Romans to their primary god, the sun, and to Mithras, a popular Persian sun god supposedly born on the same day. The Roman Catholic writer, Mario Righetti candidly admits that… “the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December of the feast of the birth of Christ…celebrated on the same day in honor of the invincible sun god, Mithros, the conqueror of darkness” – Manual Liturgical History, 1955, Vol2, p.67

                My Note – ALL the false sun gods, different names by their nations, were supposedly born on the winter solstice but Yahushua WAS NOT as the Feast of Tabernacles indicates the time of His birth!

                USA Today, Dec 22, 2007

                Expert Linksj Pagan Shrine to The First “Christ Mass”

                Rome (AP) “A recently discovered pagan shrine dedicated to Rome’s legendary founder Romulus and his brother Remus is being linked by some experts to the first celebration of “Christ Mass” held on the date that still marks the festivity today.

                Last month Italian archeologists unveiled an underground grotto, which they believe ancient Romans worshipped as the place where a wolf nursed the legendary twins.

                Now, a top Italian scholar thinks a church built on the site of the shrine was where the “Christ mass” was first marked on December 25 – making a symbolic place in efforts to link pagan practices.”

                “…is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sun Day and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work. Is not observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sun Day. The scriptures enforce the religious observance of the Sabbath, a day which We never sanctify.” Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, pp111, 112; 63rd Ed; p.86 76th Ed.

                How about the worship of “Easter” whereby a giant egg-laying rabbit comes down from the sun god? Do we truly believe that the Messiah observed a pagan holiday as it is translated in most of our Bibles? OF COURSE NOT! He would’ve rebuked it!!! He was observing the Feasts as our Father gave us marked “Feasts” that HE sanctified to be observed throughout all of our generations both Jews and Gentiles as the Gentiles became/become grafted in.

                In a nutshell, your sir seem to have a problem with Jews. However the Bible clearly states, “I (the Father speaking, of course) will bless them that bless you and curse those that curse you.”

                I’ll stick with the Word over your personal opinion, or any like you beforehand, anytime! For those of us that believe, but have long “inherited lies”, it’s time to do your homework and get it right! Go back and first read Deut. 4:24 and then begin studying Cerinthus, Iraneaus, Polycarp, even Simon Magus, aka Simon the Magician (Acts 8:9 – 24) whome Peter called the “father of all heresies” and Polycarp called “the son of Satan”. Also, the false desert gnostic prophets (who believed Christ and anti-Christ were the same thing) all for just a start on the right road the first true Church began with but quickly became polluted with the first official Pope.

                Pope Sixuts III (432 – 440 A.D.) institutionalized the first Christ Mass (from ancient Ephesus) as the law of the Roman Empire replacing the Messiah of the Bible with Rome’s Apollo-Christ and created an idol image of him to be worshipped. (See the first and second commandments)

                Pope Sixtus III’s personal Theologian went on public record completely denying the flesh of Messiah! see I John 4:22

                It is said that the Apostle John’s later writings were inspired after the incident seeing Cerinthus at the bathe house. See 2 John 6 – 7

                It is also helpful to note that the Nicoliatans (Rev.) ARE those that mix the true Word (exactly as Messiah gave, taught, and lived) with false god worship “which thing I (the Father) HATES”!

                So, you hate the Jews if that’s what you’ve been taught and you’ve allowed to fester in your heart instead of digging for truth for yourself and you stake your life and your salvation on the words of the Catholics (many of whom themselves are deceived). As for me, I’ve already dug for the truth of what TRULY matters and I’ll stick to the side of Elohim and His truths and rid myself of man-made rules, religions, and falsehoods and on my knees pray that more people will search out the truth for themselves and repent and He will spare this nation – if not but for 10! After all, only 3 stood and refused to bow to Nebachunezzers golden idol. They were all 3 JEWS!

                • Them Guys

                  But all you wrote has ZERO to do with the Facts well Proven that what Tucker posted on Jews screwed up Germany is what did happen. Ever see the Many newspaers from USA as well as all over european areas in 1933, Before Hitler or nazis came to power. Headlines stated “JUDEA Declares WAR! against Germany!” others had “World Jewery Unites! Declares WAR!” and the attached story for the headlines stated “jews declare War, all others must unite to destroy germany totally, and EXTERMINATE every German person anywhere in the world they are to be found!”

                  IN 1933! when NOT a single hair on a single Jews head was harmed. It is YOU who needs badly to Read actual Truth and Facts as Proven by many many sites now available, which shatter and demolish ALL Prior LIES we all were taught about WWII and “jews”. I will not bother to again repost it all. Check many Prior articles on This shtf website which I and several others have posted more proof links than your you can absorb in several yrs worth of reading.

                  Sounds as if you have bought into all those jewdeo zionistic christian Lies as so promoted by so many preachers today. John Hagee for one example!

                  RE read new testement verses and chapters warning Christians to Beware and Avoid “Judiazers” type wolf in sheep clothes pastors. Many shall arise in latter days…YES Indeed! so they have! Seems You fell for a few of them and their Flasehoods preached regarding jews and jewsih issues eh.

                  You can hate catholics or disagree with them. I too disagree with alot of that stuff. BUT when a person writes Facts based Truth on historical Evidince on all the scams and swindles we been abused by due to Jew influences etc…That you cannot disregard. Unless you care not for fact based truth.

                  Check Michael Hoffman website for example and try

                  www dot codoh dot com ( or dot org?) for the worlds Largest amount of info about Holocaust issues and most every posible History era from the last 2000 yrs.(Over 800+ writers with More phd’s etc than You can count contribute to their articles and info)

                  be sure to pay CLOSE atten to how well it is ALL verrified and documented info that nobody can deny as Facts and Truths. I bet you still believe that SIX-Million Holyhoax crap too right? Check “American RED CROSS” for vast Lower actual numbers of Both deaths and survivors. It should NOT matter what denomination or if None. Factual Based Proven documented Truths is what matters. Maybe You should try some.

              • jack nichols

                so what is your “Final Solution”? The extermination of all Jews? Should we open up the concentration camps and complete Hitler’s work? What kind of Nazi wacko nut would even make a statement like yours? Do you wear the swastika around like a badge of honor? The Jews are not the cause of our problems they are equally effected by our problem with our fascist imperial police state gestapo government as all the rest of us are. Your government is the problem not the Jews.

            • WarriorClass III

              This is it! We expect the final cloture vote on S. 744 in just a few hours.
              Amnesty Vote at 11:30 a.m.- – Call these red-state Dem senators

              Please go to the list of Senators below and call the ones that are appropriate for you.

              You can use any argument you wish with the Senators’ staffers — or simply say “Vote NO on S. 744.”

              Here are the Senators who have been reported agreeing to vote YES on
              amnesty in return for getting some personal request included in the
              1,200-page bill:


              Sen. Pryor — 888-995-2016


              Sen. Donnelly — 888-995-2034


              Sen. Landrieu — 888-995-2026


              Sen. Stabenow — 888-978-3092


              Sen. McCaskill — 888-995-2019


              Sen. Baucus — 888-995-2041
              Sen. Tester — 888-995-2045

              NORTH CAROLINA

              Sen. Hagan — 888-995-1994

              NORTH DAKOTA

              Sen. Heitkamp — 888-995-2048

              SOUTH DAKOTA

              Sen. Johnson — 888-995-2052

              WEST VIRGINIA

              Sen. Manchin — 888-995-1992

              We believe every one of these Senators can be helped by voters to understand that their best political interests are aligned with the best interests of the state in voting NO on the final bill.

              • KY Mom

                As 4pm Vote Looms Immigration Agents Ask Public, Lawmakers to Oppose Bill
                (Breitbart dot com)

                Enforcement Holiday: Immigration Bill Allows Criminal Illegals ‘Safe Harbor’
                (Breitbart dot com)

          • Cornfussed

            I’m a little perplexed: How is that ALL these illegals are going to take everyone’s job? Perhaps someone could clarify some things for me. 1). Most of the illegals speak little to no English so just how well will they perform when they can’t speak the language? 2). Since almost all of these illegals are unskilled, how will they fill those jobs that require any technical knowledge, even something as simple as using a computer? If the vast majority of them don’t have either the language or technical skills to fill decent jobs, won’t they all be relegated to the menial jobs they currently hold? What am I missing here?

            • snake eater

              cornfussed or confused
              here is another one just who in hell is financing their new vehicles???????how can this happen when they have no credit……it appears both parties dems and repu
              are in on it


              • Cornfused

                Snake Eater: Accidentally added an extra ‘S’. Ever been hunting and gotten lost/disoriented in a cornfield and didn’t know which way was out? That’s how I feel some days-cornfused. As for their credit, that goes back to Frank (D) and Dodd (D), criminals extraordinaire, in Congress who demanded credit for anyone with a pulse. That led to all those housing loans that folks couldn’t pay back which led to the housing collapse. Folks weren’t required to show credit worthiness, just sign and go. Same with all those illegals. However, most of them actually paid vehicles off because they were far more frugal with their money than most Americans with bad or no credit. It was primarily the Dems who pushed this easy money policy in hope of securing even more votes from the poor/credit unworthy.

            • sheptical citizen

              One bilingual person cn supervise dozens of non english speaking illegals. No Skill,s. Those folks can learn any job very quickly. I worked in texas many decades ago. I could show a mexican how to operate a piece of heavy equiptment one time and they could quickly master the job. The folks doing the anual labor their children will go to the US schools and aquire the technical skills. Those little wiry folks will work & produce more in any given setting. they can and will do the job better faster and cheaper than the couch potato fat to obese white & black folks. Yes they will take your jobs.

            • Them Guys

              CornFused: it ADDS 2 Million MORE Legit immigrants to the already 1.5 Million each yr! They do have Univ degres for good jobs etc! The amnsty for low ed 3rd world types will Drop wages farther too. The question asked should be How will amnesty be Good for the Existing Majority of whites whos ancestors Founded america. As well as Blacks who cannot find jobs due to the 3rd worlders.

              Most ghetto welfare types Are qualified for those same jobs with less education requirements etc. Boot 30 Million illeagles OUT and let 30 Mil african welfare folks go to Work!

              Also of the “Claimed” 11 Million illeagles Now here, how do they have 8-Million jobs if cant speak english etc? You sound Very confused at what the True heart of the issues are. What will occure soon when whites are a minority? And dems get so many xtra new voters, instead of simply calling usa a “Democracy”(its not, it IS a Republic!) the dems will Then Make it a democracy and easily swindle mexicans to join with already antigun libs and blacks to BAN the 2nd amendt outright.

              Dems wont care if its NOT constitutional. They belive in “get 50% of votes…PLUS one single vote More= Dems win whatever their latest swidnle scam may be. 2nd amendt Tops dems list! “Two wolves vs One sheep, voting whats for dinner”…..Are You a “White” sheep? You Will be soon if amnesty passes!

            • Tucker

              Holy smokes, Cornfused. You sure picked a good monicker for use when posting comments.

              Perhaps you need to look up a few native born, White men who work in many construction and home building, or roofing trades and ask them – how they have seen their income and livelihoods suffer as a result of having to compete with swarms of non-English speaking mestizo construction crews consisting of illegal aliens who low-ball their cost estimates for doing jobs and who pay their crews cash and don’t bother with the hassle of taking out payroll taxes or SSA and who send their illegal alien workers down to the nearest hospital emergency room to get medical treatment for free, if they happen to break a leg or fall off a roof or ladder.

              Or, maybe you need to bone up on the employment related news websites that have been churning out hundreds of news articles which show teen-age unemployment is at an all-time high, and those jobs as waitresses and busboys and hamburger flippers or summer construction jobs or hotel cleaning maids or janitors that our teens used to be able to get – are now being scarfed up by non-English speaking mestizos. You’ve never had to point to the item on a menu that you wish to order, because the mestizo waiter or waitress cannot understand basic English? I have had to do this so often that it has almost become customary – and I don’t live anywhere near California or the Mexican border.

              Oh, and let’s not forget – all native born Americans are not equally blessed in the area of IQ. As a result, we have millions of low skilled, not very bright, but-still-willing-to-work, good natured people who are on the lower socioeconomic rungs of our society who are being displaced in the low skilled areas of employment by these non-English speaking mestizos. Many of these people are minorities who decide to turn to crime, because they can’t seem to get a half-way decent job so they can make some effort to support themselves and their families.

              Oh, and as for the S.744 legislation – this bill also drastically increases the number of H1-B Visas so our treasonous ruling elites can import thousands of high tech scabs from the Third World, who will agree to lower pay and few, if any, benefits and thereby help the treasonous American CEOs fire or replace native born Americans who’ve spent thousands of dollars in college tuition to obtain high-tech skills and certifications and then hire these cheaper H1-B Visa scabs. So, at the top level – our elites are screwing American high tech workers and at the bottom level, our elites are screwing the low skilled, low tech workers.

              In the middle, the mostly White middle class is being screwed by the ruling elites because they are being taxed and forced to subsidize the free health care and all sorts of other social entitlements that these illegal mestizo aliens are figuring out ways to qualify for and to parasitically collect in great abundance.

              And, you’re confused about why Americans are pissed off about this? Just how much dope do you smoke on an average day, pal?

              Tip: You might consider cutting back.

            • jojo

              Allow me to enlighten you. Right now, as I type, in our geographical area a white male cannot get a job unless he is fluent in Spanish. 70% of job applications REQUIRE that the applicant be fluent in Spanish, to meet the need for people who either do not speak English or refuse to learn to speak English. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the nearly 99% of Latino “anchor babies” are fluent in both languages. They are hired over Caucasians simply to meet the job qualifications. They are hiring non English speaking illegals and placing them where they have no business being; i.e. assisted living establishments, dispensing medicine, restaurants where diabetics are served drinks with sugar. This is a safety issue, witness what Whole Foods,Inc. is going through. This pending immigration legislation is the final nail in the coffin in this country for any hope of keeping English as this country’s official language. Nothing like destroying the cultural fiber of a once great nation.

          • KY Mom


            Obamacare and the Immigration bill…

            Are they 2 sides of the same coin? ‘Legislation’ that tightens the ‘noose’ around the American people and to bring on the final level of collapse of the economy.

            More information about Obamacare….

            Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub

            “The Health and Human Services Department earlier this year exposed just how vast the government’s data collection efforts will be on millions of Americans as a result of ObamaCare.”

            “HHS said the ObamaCare data hub will “interact” with seven other federal agencies: Social Security Administration, the IRS, the Department of Homeland Security, the Veterans Administration, Office of Personnel Management, the Department of Defense and — believe it or not — the Peace Corps. Plus the Hub will plug into state Medicaid databases.”

            “The federal government is planning to quietly enact what could be the largest consolidation of personal data in the history of the republic,”

            news dot investors dot com

        • WarriorClass III

          The most direct attack on America is the expansion of legal immigration to this country. Almost half the people currently living in the US are here as a result of the Immigration Reform Act of 1965. The work and student visa program, green cards and refugee programs make illegal immigration look puny.

          Contrary to the current meme, our country was not founded by immigrants – it was founded by colonists that forged a new country out of the wilderness for themselves and their posterity. It is our inheritance and it is being sacrificed at the table of political correctness, just as surely as Esau gave up his inheritance for a pot of stew, Americans are giving up their inheritance for the porridge of a false self-righteousness of “multiculturalism” that is nothing but the death of the American way of life and freedom.

          These brainwashed Eurotrash socialists and third world bottom-feeders have no history or tradition of natural rights, and in fact have never heard of the concept, or understand that the Constitution was an attempt to codify those natural God-given rights. They do not understand what our Founders understood – that men who are drawn to centers of power are by nature the worst among us, and that laws are needed to keep them in check. They do not understand or respect that the Constitution was written as a witness against the fallen nature of man, and that it is as timeless man’s nature, which has not changed, and will not be out-dated until that nature has become angelic.

          The descendants of America’s founders are being replaced with a foreign people, and this was by design. The American gun-owning, freedom-loving middle-class was the biggest obstacle to One-World-Government-equally-distributed-misery plans of the international bankster cartel. It was no accident that American wages started stagnating in 1970 and have decreased ever since. Simple supply and demand. Since that wasn’t enough, more jobs were moved overseas and more foreigners were moved in to take the jobs still here.

          Ben Johnson said this about the The 1965 Immigration Act in an article for FrontPageMagazine in 2002:

          The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster By: Ben Johnson | Tuesday, December 10, 2002

          “Despite the overwhelming assurances of the bill’s supporters, the 1965 Immigration Reform Act has remade society into the image its critics most feared. Immigration levels topping a million a year will increase U.S. population to 400 million within 50 years. Meanwhile, exponents of multiculturalism insist new arrivals make no effort to assimilate; to do so would be “genocidal,” a notion that makes a mockery of real genocides. Instead, long-forgotten grudges are nursed against the white populace. Native citizens take to flight as the neighborhoods around them, the norms in their hometowns, are debased for the convenience of low-paid immigrants and well-heeled businessmen. All the while, indigenous paychecks drop through lower wages and higher taxes collected to provide social services for immigrants. And this only takes into account legal immigration.

          “Americans must realize demographic trends are not inevitable, the product of mysterious forces beyond their control. Today’s population is the result of yesterday’s immigration policy, and that policy is as clearly broken as its backers’ assurances were facetious. A rational policy will only come about when native Americans place the national interest above liberal howls of ‘prejudice’ and ‘tribalism.'”

          Its only gotten worse since Ben penned this article.

          At a time when unemployment is at an all time high, “Conservative” Senator Ted Cruz wants to expand legal immigration, most of who will vote Democrat or Big Government Republican once they get here and take your job.

          This is a war against the American People and Culture, and the Americans are losing badly and don’t even understand why. Most Americans blame only illegal immigration which is a fraction of the problem, and miss the bigger picture of legal immigrants.

          I often hear people ask the question of how America became such a divided Nation. Now you know. Americans have purchased so many firearms that many manufacturers of military pattern semi-automatic rifles are back ordered for a year or more, and ammunition has doubled in price, when you can find it, and there are now at least 100 million gun owners in the US. DHS has purchased over 2 billion rounds of ammunition and “assault rifles” for personal protection. America is preparing for a civil war, and to deny it is whistling past the graveyard of history.

          • OutWest

            WarriorClass 111—Ten Thumbs Up (TTU)

            • Them Guys

              Mr. Ben Johnson forgot to mention that the 1965 Open borders bill was sponcered and promoted by U.S Senator from New York, Dem zionist kommie lib…Jacob Javitz, and was also touted big time by a new younger us senator just then elected, Teddy Kennady aka Kommieboy to the Max.

              I wanted to include this Vital info since whenver you see an article deriding this fiasco of 1965 immigrant reform swindle, the writers Always mention Ted Kennady…But Never do they mention zioboy kommie Jacob Javitz. I wonder why that is eh.

            • yourmotherwaswrong

              OutWest says:

              “WarriorClass 111—Ten Thumbs Up (TTU)”

              This guy has a video out with 54 views and 1 comment.

              Read Mein Kampf before you “Ten Thumbs Up (TTU)”

              Excuse me, I need to throw up now.

              • Butterknife

                Go read William Shirer’s Rise and fall of the third reich and the collapse of the third republic if you haven’t already, the gravity of our situation is not something to be taken lightly if you value liberty

          • Chip

            Awesome post. you should write articles for this website…

            • yourmotherwaswrong


              “Awesome post. you should write articles for this website…”

              Double Barf.

            • DRD5508

              Chip, I agree with you.
              Warrior, thanks for the info. Well said and as with KY Mom, you 2 provide classic thought and history.

          • REB


          • 10% Off

            WC – I agree with everything you say except I believe it is the “conservative” sell-out Marco Rubio, not Ted Cruz who wants this to go through. From what I’ve seen, Cruz is strongly against this bill and believes no one should be rewarded for breaking the law to get here.

            If I missed something on Cruz, my apologies. Great post!

            • WarriorClass III

              Yes, Ted Cruz is against the amnesty bill and that’s great, but he has said he wants to EXPAND legal immigration. To me it doesn’t matter whether the immigrants that destroy the country are “legal” or illegal. The country is destroyed either way. We need at least a 50 year moratorium on ALL immigration, and only then, maybe, allow some very select individuals seeking freedom rather than just economic benefit at out expense.

              I didn’t mention Rubio because I think he’s toast anyway after this fiasco.

          • KY Mom

            WarriorClass III,

            Well said!

            If only more people could understand this.

          • Tucker

            Great comment, fellow patriot. You summarized the situation very well.

          • CameronD

            Warrior, this is the best post I have ever read. Thank you.

        • Up Country

          Out West, Nail on the head! Very well said, they know exactly what they are doing! Pretend they have not had time to read it, so they can quietly support the agenda. People are begining to wake up though, watch for a fake internet outage at at critical time in the near future as people really start to wake up. Take care,and prepare.

          • KY Mom

            Received this in an email…

            Want A Free House?

            I was in my neighborhood restaurant this morning and was seated behind a group of jubilant individuals celebrating the coming implementation of Obamacare. I could not finish my breakfast.

            This is what ensued: They were a diverse group of several races and both sexes. I heard a young man exclaim, “Isn’t Obama like Jesus Christ? I mean, after all, he is healing the sick.”

            A young woman enthusiastically proclaimed, “Yeah, and he does it for free. I cannot believe anyone would think that a free market wouldn’t work for health care.”

            Another said, “The stupid Republicans want us all to starve to death so they can inherit all of the power. Obama should be made a Saint for what he did for those of us less fortunate.”

            At this, I had more than enough. I arose from my seat, mustering all the restraint I could find, and approached their table. “Please excuse me; may I impose upon you for one moment?”

            They smiled and welcomed me to the conversation. I stood at the end of their table, smiled as best I could and began an experiment.

            “I would like to give one of you my house. It will cost you no money and I will pay all of the expenses and taxes for as long as you live there. Anyone interested?”

            They looked at each other in astonishment. “Why would you do something like that?” asked a young man, “There isn’t anything for free in this world.” They began to laugh at me, as they did not realize this man had just made my point.

            “I am serious, I will give you my house for free, no money whatsoever. Anyone interested?”

            In unison, a resounding “Yeah” fills the room.

            “Since there are too many of you, I will have to make a choice as to who receives this money-free bargain.”

            I noticed an elderly couple was paying attention to the spectacle unfolding before their eyes, the old man shaking his head in apparent disgust.

            “I tell you what; I will give it to the one of you most willing to obey my rules.”

            Again, they looked at one another, an expression of bewilderment on their faces.

            The perky young woman asked, “What are the rules?”

            I smiled and said, “I don’t know. I have not yet defined them. However, it is a free home that I offer you.”

            They giggled amongst themselves, the youngest of which said, “What an old coot. He must be crazy to give away his home. Go take your meds, old man.”

            I smiled and leaned into the table a bit further. “I am serious, this is a legitimate offer.”

            They gaped at me for a moment.

            “I’ll take it you old fool. Where are the keys?” boasted the youngest among them.

            “Then I presume you accept ALL of my terms then?” I asked.

            The elderly couple seemed amused and entertained as they watched from the privacy of their table. “Oh yeah! Where do I sign up?”

            I took a napkin and wrote, “I give this man my home, without the burden of financial obligation, so long as he accepts and abides by the terms that I shall set forth upon consummation of this transaction.”

            I signed it and handed it to the young man who eagerly scratched out his signature.

            “Where are the keys to my new house?” he asked in a mocking tone of voice.

            All eyes were upon us as I stepped back from the table, pulling the keys from pocket and dangling them before the excited new homeowner.

            “Now that we have entered into this binding contract, witnessed by all of your friends, I have decided upon the conditions you are obligated to adhere to from this point forward. You may only live in the house for one hour a day. You will not use anything inside of the home. You will obey me without question or resistance. I expect complete loyalty and admiration for this gift I bestow upon you. You will accept my commands and wishes with enthusiasm, no matter the nature. Your morals
            and principles shall be as mine. You will vote as I do, think as I do and do it with blind faith. These are my terms. Here are your keys.” I reached the keys forward and the young man looked at me dumbfounded.

            “Are you out of your mind? Who would ever agree to those ridiculous terms?” the young man appeared irritated.

            “You did when you signed this contract before reading it, understanding it and with the full knowledge that I would provide my conditions only after you committed to the agreement.”

            The elderly man chuckled as his wife tried to restrain him. I was looking at a now silenced and bewildered group of people.

            “You can shove that stupid deal up your a** old man. I want no part of it!” exclaimed the now infuriated young man.

            “You have committed to the contract, as witnessed by all of your friends. You cannot get out of the deal unless I agree to it. I do not intend to let you free now that I have you ensnared. I am the power you agreed to. I am the one you blindly and without thought chose to enslave yourself to. In short, I am your Master.”

            At this, the table of celebrating individuals became a unified group against the unfairness of the deal.

            After a few moments of unrepeatable comments and slurs, I revealed my true intent.

            “What I did to you is what this administration and congress did to you with the health care legislation. I easily suckered you in and then revealed the real cost of the bargain. Your folly was in the belief that you can have something you did not earn, and for that which you did not earn, you willingly allowed someone else to think for you. Your failure to research, study and inform yourself permitted reason to escape you. You have entered into a trap from which you cannot flee. Your only chance of freedom is if your new Master gives it to you. A freedom that is given can also be taken away. Therefore, it is not freedom at all.”

            With that, I tore up the napkin and placed it before the astonished young man. “This is the nature of your new health care legislation.”

            I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation – and was surprised by applause.

            The elderly gentleman, who was clearly entertained, shook my hand enthusiastically and said, “Thank you, Sir. These kids don’t understand Liberty.”

            He refused to allow me to pay my bill as he said, “You earned this one. It is an honor to pick up the tab.”

            I shook his hand in thanks, leaving the restaurant somewhat humbled and sensing a glimmer of hope for my beloved country.

            Remember… Four boxes keep us free: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.

            “Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian.” Henry Ford

            • DRD5508

              Brillant! Now the hard part is for the youngsters to admit they have been enslaved by Obama.

            • Former Cal Girl

              Way to go! I would have paid for your breakfast too! Let’s hope it makes a difference.

      • Rodster

        You could say at best that you are dealing with incompetent, corrupt, criminal leaders. I say the US Govt is managing it’s own collapse on purpose. 😉

      • Be informed

        Can I ask everyone this one? Why the hell is there not a massive tariff on the enemy’s products (Chinese) coming into this country that costs plenty of good U.S. jobs for the past 15-20 years? This is just another piece of crap thrown by the apes in the government at the people.

        Then you have this supreme court ruling on homo marriage. The biggest loser in this are children. This opens up a wide gapping hole to allow the jerry sunduskys of the world much more room to molest the innocent and allow pedophiles more protection. Now children have to accept the two fathers engaged in all sorts of perversion like husband swapping, wife swapping, bestiality, group orgies, and utter sicko practices. They can now claim this is part of their marriage and denying their practices is being discriminating. They can now adopt children that will likely be converted or have to go through this evil. Let’s look at an innocent little boy or little girl in the hands of two queers or two dykes “married”.

        Okay, a boy is interested in a girl at school. The two homos, not all but many of them, instead of being supportive of this turn it around. They say to explore the kid’s sexuality by instead of Jessica, they tell the boy that Jacob is much more like he is and shares the same interests. The boy then can listen to whom he looks up to, his “parents”, or still like Jessica and get disapproval. Two fags are much more likely to encourage their “son” to follow in their footsteps, this is human nature.

        Then you have two dykes that have a “daughter”. The girl really likes this boy, but the two lezzies instead say that Mike is nothing like Michelle. They explain that girls also think alike and boys don’t appreciate or understand what a girl goes through. Then they explain that even if she likes a boy, that guys like lesbian action. Just try it, they say, you will like. The little girl says to herself this makes sense. Again, just like the two faggots with their “son”, it is human nature that their “children” turn out just like they are.

        Then you have the notion and acceptance that it is perfectly okay for the straight’s family go over to the same sex family’s house. Afetr all they don’t want society to say they are being bigoted towards homosexuals. Then you have the children that are being raised by a father and mother exposed to some real true weirdness. Children, the most innocent, again lose.

        I am all for freedom, but when that freedom interferes with the safety and the freedom of others, that is an entirely different story. Whom spread AIDS, the vast majority is from faggots that are perverted driven. They are not just with one person, usually they engage in sexual encounter after another. There are exceptions, but not many. Certain orifices are biologically meant for waste disposal and removal, NOT insertion. This leads to all sorts of terrible bacteria infections that further tax the antibiotics as these bacteria become more and more resistant to helping anyone. Wasn’t the straight people that caused the spread of AIDS to be so rampant, partially, but not like homos.

        Another issue is the sexual harassment issue. Many times companies and the law systems in many pro fag areas do not take it seriously when some fag comes on to a straight guy, or some dyke comes on to a straight girl. They have become afraid that someone will call discrimination. People are finding in the work place that they have to go through some pervert coming on to them and not being able to stop it as easily as years ago.

        The truth of the matter is queers and lesbos spread disease and infect the innocence of children. It has become not an issue of freedoms for fags, it is now deny freedoms of people that choose they don’t want any part of this perversion. A person now cannot choose to be kept apart from something that they know is wrong, again based on discrimination. When one group is given too many rights they abuse it and so does the system. Say we discuss affirmative action in which a minority person that is hardly qualified is automatically hired while someone of a different race that is excellent at what they do is not even given the chance.

        I and others still have the first amendment to be as politically uncorrect as all tomorrow. I can say that homosexuality is another sign of the end times. I can say the words faggot, queer, dyke, lesbo, this is my right. I however cannot any longer refuse to be around someone that could be teaming with every disease imaginable. If I use bleach water to sanitize everything that the fag touches to safeguard myself against some streptococcus flesh eating bacteria, then I am some sort of monster for even thinking that someone engaged in filthy activities could not spread their germs.

        What we have folks is Sodom and Gomorrah. Whether someone believes in the Bible or not, something whacked these two pervert pits several thousand years ago. Could have been an asteroid or comet breaking up. Whatever it was, it got nailed. “Queerism” and “lesboism” leads to sickness and disease, and kids suffering. The morality of society declines rapidly when this is fully embraced. What was once considered wrong and sick is now accepted. It takes its toll on the civilization as people stop caring about doing the right things. They low themselves into an animalistic state of only fulfilling their carnal desires. They stop caring about fairness and doing what is right for each other. ONLY what their desires matters.

        I know I am really on the soap box today, but I see the U.S. and world dying each day. Whacked out laws passed, people losing any hope, the government taking away our basic rights chip by chip, political correctness shovelled down our throats, freedoms being given away to the government by the masses, and general rot. One issue after another is favoring the evil and what is so wrong. Anyone not preparing for what is coming is out of their minds. The society and human species is now in a total freefall, and the speed is increasing each moment.

        • Two Buckets

          Judgement from above will come sooner or later hopefuly sooner, Have you noticed the latest 13-18 generation & they are going to be adults one day

          • roast duck

            No, they will never become adults. The fortunate ones will just become old children.

          • snake eater


        • OutWest

          Be informed

          I cannot answer most of your questions, or possibly
          none of them, but I believe you answered them yourself
          very aptly with the last sentence of your comment.
          I feel the gates of freedom closing at such a furious
          pace that I’m almost rendered speechless and ready to
          go into seclusion from it all. Enough is enough

        • CLess


          “Whatever it was, it got nailed. “Queerism” and “lesboism” leads to sickness and disease, and kids suffering. The morality of society declines rapidly when this is fully embraced. What was once considered wrong and sick is now accepted.”

          Kids are already being traumatized by this sickness.

          I ran across this article last night and was completely disgusted… and since you brought it up, I decided to share…


          And Adults look the other way! sick, sick, sick!


          • DRD5508

            CLess, went to the site. Sick/Sad, both apply. What is ironic, is how the education system (with the blessing of the libs and gov’t) won’t allow you to spank or paddle a child but sodomizing them is ok.
            We have more than just the gov’t to clean out, the education system needs some serious cleansing.

            • swampratt

              DRD5508 what was once bad will be good and what was once
              good will bad

            • Them Guys

              Cannot Wait to take care of buisness….However…I shall require a Driver! I cannot drive while holding My M1A-308 rifle!

              Did some online Mid size truck shopping to look for a nice used Peterbilt or Kenworth Midsize for a 5th wheel hauler truck. I found several very interseting trucks there of a different sort. They were Low mileage(60,000 or less!) C7-CAT and 8.3 cummins with 6-speed Allison autos(push button!).

              They were Used but exallant cond, repainted etc EX-Armoured Trucks as used by Banks etc!(the Larger size too)

              Complete with Shooting Gun Portals in back and both side walls!…Total Bullet proofed! Awsome clean well cared for and priced from aprox $12,000 to $20,000!!

              Picture one with a Driver- Front pasenger seat Rifleman-Three men in Back, each with 20,000+ rnds of ammo if not More! they can hold 33,000 GVW! And NO CDL for Private use!

              Oh almost forgot, include for the 3 men in back, a .30 cal Browning(like rambo had) pointing Out each gun port hole….Full Tank deisel…And a Map to every Ghetto we can drive to! Yippe Yioo Kiyaaa…Cowboy Justice, 2013 style!

              Or to save on Fuel it can be driven and Parked near the Mexican Border Zones! Couple Dozen such trucks, 5 man teams in each, a Million rinds ammo(to Start) and time for FIX the U.S.A! While remaining Bullet proofed Inside safe as can be!

              I just Love it when a Plan comes togehter! Ret. Col. Hannibal Smith, commander…A-TEAM.

              ps, I gonna get “THEM GUYS” painted on the sides of Mine!

              GHETTO Dwellers: “Yo wuz up, who wuz dem guys?

              Them Guys: “Weez dem Guys Yo Momma shoulda warned ya about Sukers!”

            • curious

              DRD5508.. you are correct! Just remember what happened to the cities of Sodom and Gomorra.

          • Chip


          • Be informed

            CLess. I saw this last night and with today’s ruling is why I just had to say something. You look at these little children that use to be only concerned about going to a ballgame, playing with dolls, going fishing, enjoying the amusement park, running around free, etc, etc. etc. Now many of these poor children have to deal with animalistic sick practices that don’t belong in human society. Even many animals find this repulsive. Now the kids lose again and have to live in fear and be set into something that they don’t understand and should never have to.

            If I was a child I would be terrified at what the laws and the weirdos have done to expose a child to. I know there are exceptions, but most faggots and dykes are extremely promiscous and just are not loyal to each other, marriage or not. Disease spreads rampant. They don’t use the word love like other people do, some do, most don’t. Love to them means sex, not commitment and devotion like others define it. To them sex means everything goes. I have known faggots and dykes that have go the distance, as in with barnyard animals. Then they wondered why I kept my distance of 20 or more feet away from them.

            The whole society is going down the cess pool, and this today is just another symptom of it. Too many symptoms. It truly keeps Mac and other truth sites very busy these days, and will so even more in the future.

            • Them Guys

              God calls it an ABOMINATION…BI…Them fags and lezbo dykes want to Adopt very young children, who they can then Recruit into their lifestyles. And what do you think will happen in a scenario such as this…One dark late nite, little Joey, age 4 awakens to Loud scarry Thunder storms! So like all small kiddies do, Little age 4 yrs, Joey gets out of his bed, Runs down the hall to Daddys bedroom! to BOTH Daddys room!!

              Then Little 4yrs old Joey asks both daddys “Can I sleep in Your bed till the sotrm stops cause I am scarred”?

              Daddy Faggy #1 & #2 Wide eyed in antisipation…Both say YES Joey climb in!….So what does Any sane folk think the TWO Faggot Daddys will try next?

              HINT: Joey “Ow! hey what Is that?! Ow ow ow! stop doing That! Tomorow morn at breakfast table little Joey’s ass is very sore! So sore Joey cannot sit at the table and must stand while eating his Tofu!

              Sick fucks…Sick sick sick. If Putin Nukes DC and NY and Kalif at same time? I bet 75% of usa folks, and 99% of worlds Other folks will Cheer Loudly. I sure will!

              • Be informed

                @ Them Guys. It is an abomination. Homo intercourse causes all sorts of medical issues eventually because there are certain parts of the body that are not meant for this, they are meant for expulsion of waste material. Then the exposure of fecal material into the urinary tract to someone else causes terrible infections that require antibiotics. The overuse of of antibiotics hurts everyone when some super contagious variant of the plague, tularemia, anthrax or other real killer bacteria hits the population and is resistant to all antibiotics. Yes what they do affects us all.

                When asked of adult fags if they were fooled around with, and between the ages of 8-13 it was quite common. The sick society would have you believe that fags and dykes leave children alone. Some do, many don’t. We are talking about a little person that is much smaller and not aware of what is going on. I equate it to a bigfoot size monster about 8 foot tall and weighing 550 pounds doing what they want with a full grown adult, to some homo queer or lesbo attacking a little kid.

                I see these characters talking about fairness, and yet these homo supporter don’t even care about the children that will have to grow up a lot faster and in ugly ways when they have to be exposed to this digusting practice that spreads disease so rapidly. Queers and lezzies don’t leave the kids alone, or at very least they continue to try to indoctrinate this sick way of life. Others can deny it, but these faggots and lesbos want total acceptance of society and this means poisoning the minds of the youth with this. That is my issue, the children that must be protected from this perversion.

                • Think

                  It is not the “fags” and “Homos” that are having five or six head of bastard ghetto children,with da baby momma then collecting, SNAP, WIC, Food Stamps, AFDC,
                  Section 8 Housing………………

                • 10% Off

                  BI – I actually heard a comment from an “equal rights” supporter yesterday that said this ruling will be a benefit to the children in these relationships. My stomach turned. This is all about getting government benefits. Most gay people (coworkers) I’ve been around don’t ever want to get married….most of this is about money, ex. – BENEFITS!!

                  It reminds me of most Dems…they are against the Constitution until they can use it for their benefit! Another example: The Bitch at the IRS pleading the 5th to cover her ass, after she kept so many organizations from exercising their 1st Amendment rights!

                  If this immigration bill goes through, we our done! The criminals in DC are gearing up the fat lady!!

              • Hedge

                Tofu! Like they say in China, you funny guy!

          • Think

            And what is moral about having 5 or 6 bastard kids with as many diffrent men, and then demanding society pay for your bastard welfare ghetto children?

            • Them Guys

              Apples vs oranges…So you want to reward One wrong by enacting another? Fags vs ghetto bitches is Two sepeate issues. “THINK”

              • Think

                “Fags” as you call them dont need my paycheck to live.
                You ought to see the things so called normal people like to do for sexual fun. My brother is a career marine,
                and has be given medals for valor,…….he is also gay.

            • REB

              One evil does not negate or legitimize the other….both are corruptions,both hurt!

              • Think

                A really good dude once said,”Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

                • Them Guys

                  Think: You mean Jesus right? IE:”a really good dude”.

                  Read More of His words! He also said to “Reprove and REBUKE” evil and Moral wrongs! Incase you aint aware of it, reprove means- Note it-OUT it- for what it is, wrong. and Rebuke means Condemn it outright.

                  He also said Never make excuses-vote for-Fund-Approve of-Support in ANY way such wrongs and evils. And to make it much eaiser for us meere Humans, He also gave us a Listing of Many such wrongs/evils…And Fags or “Homosexuals” Are on That listing.

                  Cast first stone Really was about: Every man involved in wanting to Stone the Whore they caught In the act of Fornication(unmarried or sex for pay etc) already HAD sex with Her!…Thats why He said Who has not sinned cast first stone. And “Think” what did He tell the Woman Next?

                  I will Tell you what. Jesus told that whore women to “Go and Sin NO More!” he didnt say “gee hony bucnhes its too hard to remain right and good so Keep screwing for pay and maybe check out Lezbo sex too while you are at it”

                  Use of Out of context biblical verses as a “Weapon” aginst folks speaking truth,so you can approve it since a friend or family member is doing wrongs, is like Sol Alinsky Kommie lib tactics and won’t fly here as many folks here are too smart to Fall for such tactics.

                  Face facts, to make excuses is to avoid Truth. He also had a few words for that too…”because you are Luke warm, I shall Spew(Puke) You Out of my Mouth!”

                  Luke warm equals todays term of Fence sitter who refuses to Take a stand either way. There are Three types mentioned…Good(warm) Bad/evil(Cold) and Warm refuse to stand for ONE. Christ said He has More respect for even the Bad/cold for at least chooseing a side. But that does Not mean those who freely choose the Bad or Wrong side get saved. No they still go to hell and the lake of Fire. Guess where them “Luke warm” goes to…..

          • snake eater



        • mynutsyerchin

          There are a LOT of things wrong with this country today, but the biggest problem is these distractions that play on emotions and religion. Your harping on gay this and gay that shows this to be evident in more ways than one.

        • T Egizi

          You are all frickin sick in the head and you more then the prior. Get off your high horse and go die somewhere you ignorant, judgemental PIG. You and your kind are the beasts of the earth… I can’t wait to see you all burn in hell. Now address the issue in the article and stop spewing your putrid ignorance.

      • agent provocateur

        As I was listening to a radio pastor this morning he made the comment that God doesn’t save nation he save individual people… I don’t know but the people of this land have it coming. I don’t blame Obama as much as the voter who put him there. There is an epic heavenly smack down coming on The United States of America. I’m getting my own house in order if you know what I mean!

        • T Egizi

          Stop listening to “pastors” and believing in fairy tales and deal with the realities on earth. You bible thumping swine are the most evil things on this planet. If you love your fairy tale man in the sky so much will you all please drink the kool aid and leave earth to the sain and mentally sound.

          • Butterknife

            God is no fairy tale, in fact he is the scariest force you ever want to have to deal with. And because you are so special I can only hope you get to meet him first hand before you leave this world.

            “The Bible is no mere book, but a Living Creature, with a power that conquers all that oppose it.”

            Napoleon Bonaparte

        • Them Guys

          Agent Provocateur: God Saved Nation of Nineveah, after they finally did heed Jonahs warnings. 150 later they screwed up again and Perished. So that Radio pastor was Mistaken eh.

      • PO'd Patriot

        Nancy Pelosi: “You have to take a hatchet and split my head open to see what’s in it. WRONG!, we already know that there’s nothing there.

      • JustMe

        I hope they fire EVERY White male in this country, and replace them with illegal immigrants. Do it tomorrow. You will all be slaves soon anyway.

        • JustMe

          Feeelin’ the love. LOL.

        • Butterknife

          Won’t bother me one bit, I work for myself when I want and without creating enough wealth to be worth enslaving.
          And it could be just what is needed to spark folks into action.

      • Smokey

        Yep, but we all know they just want to feed their families doing jobs Americans just won’t do….like farming, landscaping, construction, retail, food services, you know, that kind of demeaning labor.

        Get in touch with your Senators NOW, and make sure they know we want them to vote NO on passage of the Amnesty bill. If we can kill it in the Senate, it’s dead for the year. Don’t rely on the House to hold it up, it needs killed in the Senate NOW.

        The number to call is 202-224-3121. Give a thumbs up to this after you make the calls, let’s count them. You have two senators, so call twice.

      • bumpkin

        Of course its intentional. One cannot implement UN Agenda 21 without intentionally collapsing all other forms of governance.

    2. Not so Much

      Now all I need to make my day complete of some leftard to get on here and say it’s all republican lies.

    3. Ramadiron

      Can someone tell me what is up with gold and silver crashing?

      • soapdish

        Hello, hello, hello, hello, have you not been paying attention to past post. This is all planned, because they want to strip the finances of anyone who has any money left. they want you to sell your gold and your silver, because they do not want you to have anything, I repeat again, “THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO HAVE ANYTHING!” My God, if you can not see what is going on, then you haven’t a clue?

        I’m sorry, but pull your f*cking head from your ass. Everything you see, hear, and read about is intentional. Wake-up, because the road ahead is going to be bumpier and with a lot more pain and hardship…….!

        B Aware, B Awake, B Alive

      • admin

        It’s reminiscent of the Summer of 2008…


        And not just in gold — but all the way around.

        We know what happened in the fall of 2008, but leading up to it we saw similar events play out to what we’re seeing now…

        In 2008 China felt it first:

        And the leverage took several months before it finally exploded:

        Personally, I think we may be about to see a replay of 2008 (if not worse)… and right now it’s ‘sell first, ask questions later.’

        Nonetheless, I think gold holds over the long-term in terms of real value… I noted back in 2010 that you’ll hate your gold so much you’ll want to spit on it:

        But the long-term trend is still in tact.

        We’re seeing serious volatility across the board right now — to be expected given the economic, financial and monetary environment.

        My 2 cents: This may be a good opportunity to continue to dollar-cost-average into precious metals.

        Please note, I am not trying to provide investment advice… just a response to your questions.



        • OutWest

          I think if gold was a wishey-washey store of value,
          the people of 5000 years ago would have figured it
          out before us.

          • pdxr13

            Gold is good, and in gold we trust.
            They aren’t coming for the gold or the guns, they are coming for you. Eventually, the gold will migrate to strong hands (who happen to hold the remaining guns/weapon training), but the source of wealth is the labor that you can do (or not do). In a place like Camp Security, you will do the work to get the food and make sure that your family also gets to eat. The math works out nicely: You produce $200/day in wealth, and consume $5/day to exist. The $195 becomes “surplus value” in Marx-speak to be used by the Masters.

            Best wishes.

          • Them Guys

            Yeah why didn’t the Egyptians 5000 yrs ago just Print dollars on their Modern Ink and Paper printing Press’ instead?

            I sure hope anybody who bought Gold and Silver when both were at top prices, do not have any unforeseen emergncys and have no other options but to Sell alot or even All of it at Todays prices! You know all them, Back truck up and Buy Buy Buy folks. Who did so at prices of $45+ silver and $1750 Gold…While dead Certain dollars WILL Crash Tomorow! or the Next Day! or Next week for certain!

            What if prices go Back to 10 yrs ago prices? I doubt a majority bought at $300-500 per oz eh…I bet Vast majority got gold at Higher prices than now.

            But at Least all them website fearmongers who also SELL it made a Profit. Silver was at aprox $18.40 or so at market close 4 pm today…Gold was at about $1230! Gold was Down a Full 4% just for Todays market. While us dollar bills Remained higher than were for last couple yrs or longer. And most stores still sell goods in dollars. What went wrong? Lets ask all them website fear mongers selling stuff aka them “Experts”.

        • DRD5508

          Mac, how true. This isn’t the time to sell PMs. Hold on as long as one possibly can.

          • curious

            DRD5508- let’s agree to disagree… wasn’t it Jesus who said.. “Verily I say unto you That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God” ? Matthew 19:23-24. Am I being obtuse here? My intent is to honor Christ as much as this SINNER is able to honor anything. Therefore, I choose not to worship monetary objects such as gold or silver.

            • DRD5508

              curious, I no more honor or worship PMs than I do any other item I have stored up for a rainy day. I am the steward of what the Lord has entrusted to me. Can we agree on that? Just giving sound advice.
              As with anything else in the ministry; People don’t care how much we know till they know how much we care.

              My treasures are in heaven any way, as with yours, right?
              Please don’t take me as being upset, I’m not.
              Jesus said ” When I was hungry, thirsty, naked, a stranger, sick….. you did unto Me” Matt 25
              Over the past 25 years, I have been honored to be a vessel to be used of the Lord to feed 1,000s; 100s of visits to hospitals; fill gas tanks of stranded; preach and worship with 100s of prisoners.
              When I talk about finances, I have Matt.25 in view for times are going to get down right ugly and I hope to be able to help as many as possible. Am I holding on to PMs for personnel gain? Nope, just how I feel led by the Lord.
              Still disagree with me?

        • ScoutMotto

          Get it while it’s cheap, that’s my thought on the matter.

          Stay the course. Keep those metals!

          • sixpack

            This is an opportunity! I don’t care about the price of gold or silver until I need to sell some of mine—and I’m not selling any right now…I’m BUYING while I can.

          • Them Guys

            pdxr13: you are Correct. That Is exactly what happened in the Fabulous “Workers Paradise” created in 1918 Russia, by the Bolshevik Kommie jewsih rulers crowd, and with Much assistance from them “worker class folks” who bought into the kommie promices of Paradise! But First you must help the head honcho kommie jewish leaders Murder off 1/2 of Russia-Poland-Ukraine, so we wont have any Opposition!

            However as it turned out for the worker class duped to believe kommie crapola spew, it was worker class folks who Labored 14-18 hrs Per day, every day, to FUND all the Massive Millions of Cash the kommie leaders kept sending around the entire world to Pay for Many More such “workers Unite!” type kommie Revolts! (sound familiar?)

            Once their former lifestyle disappeared, and was replaced with More hrs to work, Harder work, LESS pay, and Rationed Food etc….It finally dawned on them workers who United to revolt and murder fellow countrymen, that their Promiced Paradise of world united workers was really a huge massive Swindle by Zionistic Bolshevik Kommie Jewish bastards. That only lasted for 75 yrs!! till 1991 or so.

            And Now the kommie Bastards are Here in america, connected with all the kommies crowd already here since Boat loads invaded america from 1880 to 1920 era. Who Patiently waited, infiltrating every sphere of Political-MSM-Societal-Cultural-Judicial-Banking-and Hollywood sectors of Power and Control of all of america, while inventing Every subversive type Org-think tanks-NAACP-ACLU-SPLC-ADL-AJC-etc, and totally Controlling running of them all…Untill 1960’s era, when they finally had enough control to make their Moves!

            Because Our grandparents and parents, refused to listen or even Consider, that just maybe, all of those so called “racist” and “antisemitic” type Watchmen groups across the nation, as well as Sen McCarthys vast expose committee, may have been Correct!

            In that if Our parents and grandparents didn’t quickly Halt All such subversive bolshevik and zionistic type kommies in america back Then, the Future of america and especially for Whites would Cease to exist.

            Fast fwd 50+ yrs to 2013 todays america…Was them watchmen orgs and groups Correct? But simply useing MSM to Label them all as, racist or antisemitic was all it took, to Stiffle and supress completely any and all resistence. Sometimes I do wonder if future historians may Re write a few things and Change that “Greatest Generation” lable assigned to Our parents Gen? Won’t shock me if they do.

            “You Must go to Fight Them Over…There! or else You will be fighting Them Here!” (sound familiar?)

            But the Entire time, “They” were Already Here! and in Huge numbers! McCarthy was only wrong on One thing…There were alot More kommies infiltrated then then he ever dreamed possible.

      • markinAZ

        Yes, $18.65 an OZ. right now.
        Should I sit on cash saved over the years (thousands in $100.00 bills) or get the low priced Silver now?
        How much lower will it go?
        I’m willing to listen to all options…

        • admin

          Markin, it’s impossible to predict what happens next… All we can do is make the best decisions we can on the limited information we have available.

          My suggestion is to seek various assessments from some of the guys who have been right more often than not.

          this is a good place to start — the latest from Marc Faber:


          Best wishes!

          p.s. (I wouldn’t put everything into any one asset, so if you do decide to buy gold/silver with some of that cash then the only real advice I can offer is don’t allocate 100% into a single strategy… because we never really know…)

          • markinAZ

            Oh Yes, Mac You are Correct…A little bit of this, A little bit of that, ect… I’ve always spread it out, never all the eggs in one basket…Thanks Oh and thanks for the Great Down To Earth Site. Most ALL commentators here are great folks and very interesting to read.

        • DRD5508

          markinAZ, Mac is right about the 100%/all in investment. If I were you (which I am in the same boat), spend a couple of bills on junk silver every week or so and the same with additional preps. Me personnally, I believe tptb want to drop the PMs in price to force a large percentage of individual owners to sell. Then they’ll price the average person out of the market. When? Don’t know but I am patient and know they are banking on the impatience of the majority.

          • sixpack

            THEY CAN’T FORCE YOU TO SELL. The price fluctuates. STOP PANICKING and don’t playing right into their hands. Sit on your PMs like there is no tomorrow.

            You don’t have to sell, because the price WILL go back up. Gold will never become valueless.

        • Jim (another Jim)

          Diversify, my friend. Do you have food stored up? How about a piece of land and the knowledge to grow your own food? With the drought conditions still continuing, the bees getting wiped out, GMO foods; I expect food prices to keep rising quickly.

          • soapdish

            Has anyone else noticed the lightening bugs are not as plentiful this year? I have only seen a handful of bees. Unless we have large numbers of people going out and pollinating the plants and crops, it’s bad, bad all around.

            Also, drinkable water will be a very high value. Remember, keep in mind the things you can barter with when the flow of economy comes to a halt. Those little items you think are worthless can be of great value.

            B Aware, B Awake, B Alive

            All the signs are there for what is to come

            • JayJay

              Well, if you’re missing those precious, ‘loverly’ Japanese beetle bugs, they’re all in my yard eating the leaves off my gorgeous knock-out rose bush(just one??? :-)).
              Want ’em??
              Better hurry–cause I just sprayed diatomaceous earth to high heaven on the leaves.
              Should be gone tomorrow!! 😉

            • Luther

              In reference to the bugs flying around, a couple of weeks ago someone asked the same question, so I’ve taken notice.

              In S.E. MI. around my house are very few bees including wasp and hornets, which each year is a problem.

              June bugs? I’ve only seen one. Hardly any horse fly’s annoying me the last time up North.

              Chem-trails, radiation from Japan I haven’t a clue!

              • OutWest


                Saw a Dragonfly today—first one….
                It had Chinese markings on it’s sides.

                Just kidding on the markings

                • Luther

                  I’m telling ya, it’s a fricking drone!!! 🙂

              • Tucker

                That is odd. June is almost over and I bet I have seen no more than maybe 2 or 3 ‘june bugs’ this year. Living in a Southern state that has its share of heat and humidity, it seems like we used to have thousands of june bugs this time of year – and now, they suddenly have almost disappeared.

                Something very weird is going on. Snails are also something I seldom ever see anymore. Used to be snails all over the place in this area when I was a kid. Same goes for crickets – you didn’t used to be able to mow the grass without stirring up hundreds of the little critters and now, I almost never see them. Likewise for grasshoppers – where have all those species of bugs gone?

                • Butterknife

                  Slowly but surely man is destroying the environment, think those nice manicured suburban lawns and golf couses are without the dumping of copious amounts of herbicides and pesticides upon them?
                  Think the millions of cars that traveling down the highways every day swatting insects by the billions and other vertebrates by the millions does not come without a price?
                  Not getting preachy just stating what is.
                  Back in the 90’s walking into a home depot and seeing the new pallets of poison neatly lined up ready to be dumped upon the neighborhoods I knew I was a witness to a crime of epic proportions.

                  When I was very young and going to my grandparents home we used to find salamanders trapped in the cisterns sometimes up to a dozen at a time, after the neighbor began “treating” his lawn they disappeared. All in the name of profit and having a nice lawn.

                  Living in Phoenix I spread Poppie seeds in my yard where nothing else grew, before they flowered the landlord came in and cut them all down claiming all they saw were weeds.

                  People are stupid…

                • REB

                  Must all be at my place…tons of lightning bugs,june bugs,dragon flies,grasshoppers,crickets,wasps,hornets and even some honeybees and worst,gypsy moth larvae…though after the 5+ inches of rain here in the last 3 days they are all soggy….

            • npgh

              I live in the Ohio Valley and I can tell you that we do have lots of lightening bugs. More at our country place than we do in the city however. Just wanted to let you know that not all is lost.

            • AnonLegion

              Here in south east MI I noted the lightning bugs for a few years now lucky if I see two a year.

              • Them Guys

                Alot of both lite bugs and dragon flys up in Northern lower mich. Really huge too on dragon flys. A few of the lighting bugs latley also seem way Brighter. Like running side lights on my harly. They must eat well up here eh.

            • Archivist

              Come to my house. We have plenty of lightning bugs.

        • Facebook Page

          If you are buying physical silver buy as you can find it locally without paper trail.

          Who care if you paid 19 or 8 as long as you have it your hand at 70 and beyond.

      • Anonymous

        I think maybe you should have asked, “Can someone give me a rational answer why gold and silver are crashing.”

        • Mountain Trekker

          FP and Anon, Can you imagine, gold and silver are merely a piece of metal and when they’re at $1800 every one wants some,and some will buy and others will moan about how they would buy some but they just can’t afford it, and then when it drops to $1250 no one is really in a hurry to tie up their fiat currency in PM. Funny how supply and demand works. I keep hearing how there is no physical gold to be had, well just run an add in any big paper or call and metals dealer and say that your willing to give $1500 an oz. and see how many tons you can buy. If we truly believe that this fiat currency is going to fail and become worthless some time in the near future, please let these metals prices come on down. Just be sure to jump in before the next run up in metals. Trekker Out.

        • zorbo

          According to people that are way smarter than me, TPTB want the us dollar to look good and strong. Also want to panic the uninformed to get as many people out of PM.

        • Ramadiron

          Thats what I was trying to ask. But you know you always got to get flamesprayed by some idiot trying to be king of the prepper hill.

          • cellar spider


            Gold and Silver are crashing because China is on a Gold, Silver, and Silicon buying spree. However, china will only buy at a certain price (below current market value).

            Combine this with the fact that the investors love how the Fed is artificially inflating the market (up and up and up) so they liquidate their Gold and Silver holdings at a discount, take the money and put it into equities.

            All with the belief that the losses incurred on the gold and silver trades will be offset with the gains on equities.

            When the artificial run is over (in their minds), they’ll rebalance their portfolios….unless of course SHTF first.

        • Cowdoc

          Anonymous says
          The large banks and brokerage houses have been selling shorts in the middle of the night to drive the price down (all evil deeds are practiced in the dark) to cover their positions in the gold and silver market where they have sold gold and silver as paper securities, and they don’t have have any physical metal should the customer demand delivery. It may be that there are many millions of dollars of PM paper out there with no actual metal to back it up. They desperately want people out of the gold and silver market before they get caught short about 90% of the PMs they have sold to gullible buyers. They want to buy up this paper PM to save their ass.

        • Tucker

          Something is fishy about the decline in gold and silver. The U.S. Mint has been whining about not being able to keep up with consumer demand for Silver Eagles, due to silver shortages? Big nations like China and Russia are buying up lots of gold and stashing it away in their reserves.

          Since when does a shortage of anything result in a decrease in it’s price?

      • agent provocateur

        It’s a paper smack down. Gold and Silver are on sale right now.

        • sixpack

          …and what prepper doesn’t like a SALE?

      • ponomo

        derivatives……and wall street.

      • M

        Crash the market , if not when contracts are settled in cash not metals , it will be done as cheaply as possible.
        Side benefit of metal companies of all types being bankrupted . Then their assets from holes in the ground to complete mining operations are bought up for pennies on the dollar.

        Buy when there is blood running in the streets , even if it is your own. some rothschild guy .

      • roast duck

        The prices of gold and silver that you see falling are the prices of the metals in the paper markets. These prices are being driven down by the big players. Much more gold is traded on the paper markets than exists physically. Central banks around the word are still buying physical gold and now at bargain prices. Gold was recently made a tier one bank reserve like the dollar. Once the central banks and uber-rich have accumulated most of the physical gold, the fiat system they devised will be allowed to crash. Your dollars will be worth nothing, and they will be holding all the world’s wealth as a gold standard is reintroduced to solve the monetary problems of the world. Greatest con in history and generations in the making.

    4. Indy Colts

      So let me share a situation that happened to me a few years ago. I went to renew my expiring license and was told I have too many points to renew without taking the test. I said I’ve only had one ticket in 3 years so how could this be. Called Indiana BMW line and was told I have 8 POINTS!! Then I remembered this nice little encounter a year before.

      I have recently started dating a girl out of state in Kentucky. One day we were coming home and there was a overturned semi blocking 3 of the 4 lanes of traffic. Everyone was moving to the far left lane that was moving so I proceeded to do so also. When I started moving towards the left lane the semi next to move did too so I speeded up to avoid getting crushed.

      Next thing I know a black officer is running towards my car yelling I tried to hit him and I just kept driving. LOL Then another officer stopped me and I asked why and he said that guy wants to talk to you. So I pulled over and he drove up to my window.

      We I asked him why I’m being stopped and he again said I tried to hit him. So we argued for about 10 mins and he said if he didn’t have to work this wreck I would be going to jail. So I told him to do what he has to do so we can get on with our lives. He comes back with a ticket that I have to appear in court to face.

      I’m sure he seen a younger, out of state WASP and wanted to do his best to harrass. WAIT the story doesn’t end there. So my court date comes around and I’m standing outside the court room and an attorney asks me if he can look at my ticket. I show him and he said he will take care of for $100. I thought this was sketchy since his business card was printed on copy paper. Called my parents and they agreed to stay and go to court. I took my ticket back from him and said no thanks.

      So its about 10 mins till I enter the court room and an sheriff asks if he could look at my charges and I said sure. He looked and said those are serious charges. (failure to yeild an emergency vehicle and wreckless driving, maybe something else) The sheriff then said “can I give you some advice” I said sure. He said let that attorney handle your ticket because he’s retired DA.

      I went back to the attorney and paid him $100 cash and he said I could go home and he would appear for me. Months went by and I got a fine from the state of KY that was like $3-400 and I paid him another $1-200. I thought everything was handled.

      The reason I had 8 points on my license was because the attorney simply went into court and plended guilty on my behalf. I COULD HAVE DONE THAT FOR FREE!! What a scheme they were running overthere. I should have left when he looked at the ticket and said “thats Clearence. He’s a nice guy. You must have really done something to make him mad” You live and learn sometimes.

    5. Unreconstructed Southron

      They want be satiated until they’ve stolen it all.

      • Luther

        “things are really getting strange”

        Yea the market is up to day when it was noted the economy is sputtering. Remember the days the market ups and downs were not based on printing free money?

    6. Ghostrighter

      Now I know why they never completed the Mexico Border Fence.
      TPTB wanted to make sure that after they took everything from us, we all had a way to leave.

    7. MayBe So

      There are only two possible conclusions you can arrive at with respect to the actions of the Congress in this,

      A) This is a DELIBERATE attempt to ‘break the system’

      B) This is the final, logical conclusion to our form of Government…an “Ineptocracy”

      Take your pick, “Six of one, half a dozen of the other”….either way, there really isn’t any possibility that that what we see around us now won’t FAIL, and rather quickly after this.

      If that weren’t enough to put the lie to all the bullshit we keep being fed by the NSM of any recovery, ANYWHERE then check this out;

      Zero Hedge is top-lining an article titled, ‘Major Chinese Banks stop Lending’,

      Most Telling is this, a statement from the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (LTD) that “Loans to businesses and individuals will resume according to the Bank of China on July 15th.”. In addition, two other large banks, CITIC Bank and Huxua Bank have suspended
      loan activity at this time all citing “liquidity (of) deposits. WHAT wold happen HERE if several of our MAJOR Banks just STOPPED lending…for a MONTH?!

      The games that China plays with it’s internal accountings are the stuff of Legend and so this doesn’t entirely come as as suprise. However, remember that neither Lehman, nor Bearn-Stearns were taken out by pure inolvency…they WERE taken out by ‘credit crises’
      …just like what now seems to be developing in China; that is where the daily cash flow requirements to ‘pay the bills’ doesn’t add up up to being enough to do the job.

      The primary problem here is the old saw about, “You’re not SUNK lieing to EVERYONE, ALL the time…until you BEGIN believeing your OWN lies”. I’m thinking that China’s “Lehman Moment’ isn’t too very far off at this point. Far from that being something to
      be HAPPY about consider what would happen if the Chinese woke up one day with thier ‘system’ collpased, 1+ Billion ‘Screaming Chinamen…Mad As Hell, and not going to take it anynore.”….who would THEY take it out ON?

      That spells ‘W A R ” Folks…somewhere…sooner or later. Also, WHAT happens when the people who manufacture ALL of the things we use daily go Bankrupt’? How well-stocked do you think the shelves at Wal-Mart are going to be after China implodes?

      Oh Gee, look at the time! I think I’ll go out to do some shopping…for everything I might be needing…for Oh say, the next 10 YEARS.

      Oh and one other small point here…Gold is trying to push below $1230 right now…

      • Navy Vet

        While I agree with most of what you wrote, this “1+ Billion ‘Screaming Chinamen…Mad As Hell, and not going to take it anynore.”….who would THEY take it out ON” is pie in the sky dreaming. Here’s why: Chinese citizens are not allowed to own guns. How fast do you think the rebellion would would stop once the Chinese Army mowed down the first million knife and pitch fork wielding citizens? Do you not recall how quickly the public protests on human rights stopped after Tianamin Square?

        • agent provocateur

          Yea, no guns and no shoes either !If China dose go under we can still get cheep crap from India! LOL! Just Kidding

      • yourmotherwaswrong

        @MayBe So

        This is plagiarism, or it’s ZeroHedge.com.

        Which is it?

        • MayBeSo

          In order here,

          @ Navy Vet,

          I’m NOT worried abot what the Chinese PEOPLE will do to US…I’m worried about what they will DRIVE thier govermenat to do….rememeber the last line in the tyrants ‘play-book’…when all ELSE fails to distract the enragd populace, start a war! Remember that line?

          @ agent provocateur,

          Ummm, some but they ARE getting awfully ‘Westernized’ in the last few years Brother…How LONG do you think it’s going to take to get THEM to the point where they are consuming most of what they themselves produce as a ‘consuming economy’, REMEBER they ARE bigger than China (1,2 Billion People), also, they’re ‘fairly backwards technologically’ compared to China (To whom we GAVE all of our technology, they only had to STEAL a little bit)…which also gets back to the point I was making above with Navy Vet. China is SCARY for a variety of reasons, not the least is that they never signed ANY nuclear non-proliferation treaty with ANYONE…and most recently, the bet estimate we have for thier nuclear cpability puts US AND the Russinas to shame, possibly by multip[le times OVER.

          @ yourmotherwaswrong,

          Plagiarism? Put your glasses on when reading next time, line 9 (typed text),

          “Zero Hedge is top-lining an article titled, ‘Major Chinese Banks stop Lending’”…DOH!…Gotcha.

          • Them Guys

            I Think you got Israel mixed up with china IE No signing npt treatys. Israel is the Only nation I ever heard of that refuses to sign nuke treatys,and also who said china has moe nukes than usa or russias? I’d re check That info it sounds wrong.

      • 10% Off

        Did you all see where the American CEO was at his factory in China and the workers held him hostage until they got an equal severance package to the package that the laid off workers got?

        They felt they deserved it even though they got to keep their jobs. He was just released today.
        What the crap is this?

        Maybe these bastards will get the hint that sending all of the manufacturing jobs to China wasn’t the brightest idea they had.
        Maybe we can get the Chicomms to keep ALL the CEOs locked up. Wouldn’t that be nice to see?

    8. Piper Michael

      Government goes to those who show up.

      This last election was ‘won’ by the L.I.B.s (the Let It Burn ers) not showing up at the polls, thus the Black Caesar ‘won’ another round of destruction by forfeit. I hope they are happy, they got what they wanted.

      @yourmotherwaswrong (yomamma)
      No complaining now, you LIBs should be happy?

      When they’re done ‘regulating’ coal fired power plants, and we have to under go rolling black outs, don’t complain. Its for the Earth, you know.

      Yes, both parties are controlled by evil, the money power, the internationalists, whatever you want to call them. The republiCONs are almost as bad as the demonRATS, but, at least it is a slower slide into hell. They both will get what they want, just like ancient Rome. Eventually, they will destroy the ones still fighting for ‘us’ or the system will collapse and morph into ‘something else’ without velvet gloves. So mustn’t they fight for a seat at that table? Ah, the games of the powerful…they play chess, while we play checkers.

      A fly on the wall;

      “My Friends, in ancient Rome, they destroyed the middle class by importing slaves. We the Patrician class of America, set up FREE Trade with China, and imported wage deflation and union destruction via cheap products and competition, let the Chinese create slaves in their company stores. But slaves are so inconvenient, eh? Much better to import illegals… no capital acquisition costs, no maintenance, no quarters to build, no food, just, wage deflation for all. Slaves are so expensive dear ones, when illegals will willingly stay twenty to a room, and be glad to have it! They have a much better attitude than these spoiled American brats, eh what? hahaha, we have them eating out of our hands, they have even stopped VOTING! They idiots even have a name for themselves, they are called the L.I.B.s, the Let It Burners. They think we will allow everything to collapse in a heap, they don’t understand the heap will be on them! Its a glorious day my friends, soon, soon, WE will be in charge, and their precious Constitution will be outlawed as an anachronism, then we can RULE like KINGS!”

      And only the sound of clapping was heard.

      • JayJay

        Look, Piper, the collapse is gonna happen regardless of voting dem or rep, same s**t, different smell– even with stolen, compromised elections– so let’s get this collapse started.
        Hell, I’m 62 and definitely ‘readier’ now than later. 😉

        • MeyBeSo

          I gotta go with JayJay on this one,

          The unfortunate Truth is that ‘voting’ hasn’t meant SHIT in quite a few generetions; that is simply too captured by those who have access to the Politician’s through Money…which most of US don’t, it long ago became a lost cause.

          A while back some frinds of mine and I were sitting around talking about what is coming….a wide vatiety of opinions were aired as to what would be the “Best Case”, – for the survivors, that is…and what would be the “Worst Case” scenario’s.

          At one end of the scale was the opinion that centered on the EMP/Asteroid/Numungous Natural disaster opinion…something that happens without any real, effective warning and which devastated Humanity instantly; At the other end was the ‘creeping doom’ scenario…a long protracted fall from civilization into barbarism. As we talked about this it became clear rather quickly that the first case would lead most rapidly and steadily to a return to civilization. In that one, there would likely be a wealth of resources left ‘laying around’ since no one would have taken the time to stash them away. Also, the sheer shock of the event, along with the depopulation and destruction of existing political/social structures would likely leave those surviving with a strong desire to set aside any previous political (or other) concerns to act collectively, in concert, with each other. This is something you can see even today among Farm-folk in many places…it’ the cities that are ‘diseased’. So in that case you end up with a relatively small surviving population, a relative wealth of resouces and a broad consensus and desire to rebuild, to ‘regroup’.

          On the other hand you have the ‘creeping doom’ scenario best seen in the history of Ancient Rome…that fall took Centuries to occur…and lasted for DOZENS of centries till Humanity could lift itself back up again. As the Empire became progressively more corrupted, it’s version of the “PTB” diverted more and more of everything that was ‘useful’ to serve thier own needs, leaving less and less on which to continue “Civilization” (Sound familiar? Like Bernanke printing up trillions for his buddies, which never trickles down to anyone else?). Also, the further disintegration of the Empire led – more and more to both more finely-grained and stronger divisions within the population ,,,’polarization’s’ within that served as the basis for all the petty little nation-states that followed. The end of that left behind nothing but a divided, despoiled shadow of the previous Empire, in which nothing remained FROM which to rebuild anything……and to this day Italy is a joke compared to it’s former self.

          By the time we had finished talking through the whole thing there wasn’t anyone left who beleived that the second case could even lead to another rebuilding; too much of the planet’s easily accesible energy is gone, the easily accessed mineral wealth is exhausted and People are becoming more polarized by the day….what would you ‘rebuild’ from in that case? Who could you convince to do that?

          Nine people left that night, each concluding that unless something happens very soon, something of very large magnitude, that there won’t be any more ‘Civilization’ on the Earth….it willl be the second case, ‘The Creeping Doom’.

          Whatever you think, you’re entitled to your opinion…and so are we. We will be ACTING accordingly as things progress from here…that is to say, ‘Leaving…soon’.

          • JayJay

            OOOOHHH, maybeso…all the more reason I read Luke 21 as often as I can.
            Don’t know why, but in it’s sincerity of gloom, it comforts me–esp. this part:
            14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

            ‘May love be the light that guides us through the darkness’…for it IS coming. 😉

            • MayBeSo


              Though lately – again and again – I come back to Psalms,
              “Yea though I walk…”…in time to come I’m thinking that is also about ‘as near to it’ as Luke.

              Buckle up and Button down…it’ going to be a bumpy ride.

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            Anybody wanna bet “MeyBeSo” is ZeroHedge.com?

            • MayBeSo


              SH_T…I just caught that…mistyped my own ‘handle’!
              That’ll teach me to try typing in the dark with a MIGRAINE!
              …awright, YOU got ME this time…Hat-tip!

      • Mountain Trekker

        Piper I’ll get some of those red thumbs on this comment. But it’s obvious why Obama was elected. I would guess that at least half of these so called Patriots on this sight don’t bother to vote. Because I continue to hear how it’s meaningless to vote for either side, which is out right B.S. If it’s meaningless to vote, how come we still have as many gun rights as we have, I’m thinking maybe it’s because some of us still voted, for those that fight for our rights.Trekker Out. Freedom At Any Cost!

        • yourmotherwaswrong

          Mountain Trekker says:

          “If it’s meaningless to vote, how come we still have as many gun rights as we have.”

          Its called the 2nd Amendment! And, it “shall not be infringed.”

          • Mountain Trekker

            YO Mother, Tell the people in New York,New Jersey,Mass, Maryland, Illinois, California, Colorado and a few other states about the 2ND Amendment, and It Shall Not Be Infringed. I would’nt be suprised if it did’nt have something to do with how the majority of people in those States Voted. Trekker Out.

        • Former Cal Girl

          Just have to say one thing on voting…I ALWAYs vote. I voted to ban gay marriage in CA and that worked out real well didn’t it! See even when we win we lose. I am once again very angry and no TV or radio til I can calmly watch again. So sad what is happening to this country. God forgive us and have mercy on us. It is very scary to watch what is unfolding in this once great country.

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            @Former Cal Girl

            I know it’s hard, but understand… “voting” is a fraud in the Fascist States of America. The FSA.

            By voting, you endorse your own enslavement.

            Don’t Vote!

            Withdraw your consent!!

        • dave

          @ MT. Im not going to rate your comment this time because you would get a red thumb. All evidence shows that obambie stole the election, has a phony birth cert… It does NOT matter. He was SELECTED by TPTB.And I would bet 99% of the people here voted. I always vote for dog shit over cat shit, as cat shit stinks worse.

          • Smokey

            Stolen election or not, you vote anyway. If it’s not close, they can’t cheat.

          • Mountain Trekker

            Dave, feel free to give me a red thumb, even friends disagree. Just as many, cuss all Law Enforcement and all Politicians, believe it or not, ALL are not bad. And just remember they’re are other political parties, so vote for who you believe is the right one, not for the lesser of two evils. To thine own self be true. And I would have to disagree with you on the % of how many on this site vote. Trekker Out.

        • Smokey

          You keep voting no matter what, that’s what you’re so willing to fight and die for, the Constitution and your rights, but you fail to exercise the right to vote, you don’t have a right to complain.

          So if there was a revolt, and a new government, you guys wouldn’t vote then, either, right?

          • snake eater

            I think you are wrong….. people in this country that don’t vote still have to pay taxes which gives them the RIGHT to speak out…..if not then lets all stop paying taxes and stop voting


            • REB

              Not trying to argue but my “right” to vote has nothing to do with the taxes I pay(I mean rights can not be bought,except with blood sweat and tears…never by tribute)…Ive never seen that in any founders writings or in our founding documents…I mean how can paying extortion give me a say in how my oppressor behaves?….thated be like the mob shaking down my business and that giving me a say in how they shake me down and how they use the money…so I cant see how the taxe thing has anything to do with my right to vote…perhaps I misunderstood what you meant? Thanks!
              Secondly on the subject earlier above of the futility of voting…I have to agree it seems that voting means little anymore but that is directly because those we put in charge refuse to submit to the will of the people as expressed by that vote…that’s what ought to PO everyone…how dare they invalidate my vote,my blood bought natural right…way too many good men and women are dead fighting to get us that right,seems we have been a bit too passive in enforcing it on TPTB…now we may have lost it and itll have to be bought back…the price however is in blood…how very foolish we have been!

      • yourmotherwaswrong

        Piper Michael says:

        “@yourmotherwaswrong (yomamma)
        No complaining now, you LIBs should be happy?”

        So I’m a “LIB?” LOL.

        Tell me, and everyone else here why I’m a “LIB.”

        Please provide evidence and examples for your accusation to stick.

        … If you can.

        Because if I’m a “LIB”, then that must make you a right wing “Fascist.”

        • Piper Michael

          No, yomamma.
          You have no ability to comprehend the writings of others, you only see words in red, to be pounded and screamed at. You pick out words as hammers to hit someone you see as the enemy, simply because they disagree with YOU. Your ego shines supreme, you are a legend in your own mind.

          Only your own drivel and propaganda, is destructive just as the Destroyers are because you enable them. You especially have a hard time with english as sarcasm.

          You want to let the existing system to ‘burn’ down. That is what I’ve heard you and the other L.I.B.s say… that ‘voting doesn’t matter’, that the right is the same as the left, so f*** em all…right?

          As long as we had, have, and can keep the right to vote, we have the ability to enforce change that we want. Not, that we will, but, we can. Your idea that both parties are equivalently evil, is correct… we agree, ok?

          It is your approach to the problem, not the problem itself that is at issue. I, would throw out all the bastards, every last one, and start over. Then, I would eliminate the civil service and re-institute the system of spoils… in order to eliminate the bureaucratic ‘fiefdoms’ that have been erected. The primary purpose of any bureaucracy is, to grow the bureaucracy… the system of spoils was the only defense against it… it was torn down every few years.

          Just like I would make mandatory term limits in ALL positions both elected and bureaucrat. I would institute an election system, that allowed all comers in publicly televised town-halls, we the people own the airwaves. I would tear down the party system and all laws that prevent independents from being successful candidates, and eliminate the money in politics by giving all candidates x amount of free air time, and that, was ALL they got. The candidates would be chosen as the result of the town halls, not back rooms. Instead of petitions, you would get above a certain threshhold of online votes, and, everybody would be required to vote as a condition of citizenship. A voting key would be given out on registration, for online polls. This would eliminate all the nonsense of elections.

          I would create a circus, in the mind of some, but liberty is like that, a free for all. The Founders did not want political parties for the reasons we see today… locked in ideological thinking, thinking that keeps issues as a hammer to beat the other guy, instead of resolving, and moving on. But as long as we continue in old thinking, as Einstein said, we are condemned to its results. Part of this is the let it burn mantra, which comes from Ayn Rand and Objectivism. To withdraw and watch the system burn down, so you can come back and rebuild. Not… gonna… happen…

          Ayn Rand was a drug addicted, sexually perverted, and atheistic witch, who’s philosophy of Objectivism has become a religion, the religion of “I don’t give a shit about anybody but me.” How’s that worked out for us? She is the prophetess of Mammon, self interest and greed. Which is simply the other side of the mirror of ideology, both of which, lead to the same result; a few guys owning everything, and pronouncing themselves BOSS.

          Myself, I don’t care whether a boot is left or right, if it is on my neck. Both capitalism and collectivism are the extremes, in the battle of the ages, causing civilization to rise, and then be destroyed. In that, they are both based in evil. Real life is composed of both personal self interest and responsibility, balanced with concern about the tragedy of the commons and the common ignorant man.

          But this then encroaches on morality, and we can’t have any of that, can we? It would get in the way of us becoming a rich man, and stepping on the necks of everybody in order to achieve it. It would be in the way of imposing our will on the common idiot. In this regard, she was correct about leftism, its basis is evil, based in the emotions of envy, empathy, mindless collectivism is the Emotional animal.

          In this same regard that capitalism is based in the right, the correct, the personal liberty of Men, vs the social justice of Man. But, like I said, eventually, they are both corrupted, and end up the same, with the boot of national socialism, or the boot of the forced communal hive mind. They are both the power of evil, when centralized.

          Centralized power is the problem, because power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the ultimate lesson of the Tower of Babel, Samuel and Saul, and the money changers in the temple. Centralized money is centralized power. Power must be distributed as much as possible, the Constitution was flawed in this regard, and the articles of confederation should merely have been tweaked with a bill of rights and commerce between states.

          But, the convention did what rich people do, centralized power, how has that worked out? We had given up an aristocracy of royalty only to be replaced by an aristocracy of money. The last great experiment, is an epic fail, and it failed because we didn’t show up, we didn’t care, we laid down on the altar of liberty and took a nap. This wasn’t just a recent phenomena, but has been going on since the Whiskey rebellion. We are not just of two minds on the Federal establishment, we are schizophrenic. We praise the ‘best system on Earth’, while we excoriate the Feds. We hate the Feds, and Congress, but love our congress critter. We love our system, yet hate it.

          We have yet to realize, it is not the Constitution that the common man loves, but the Bill of Rights. This is the focus of the left, in making a new bill of rights, where you will have the ‘right’, to pay for your lazy neighbors habits, the whore’s contraceptives, and the slut’s abortions. You will pay, oh yes, you will pay, because you enabled it, you voted for it, by not voting. You enabled it as surely as God made little green apples, because we, out number them. But, we, cannot agree even on the sun coming up tomorrow, we are too locked into doctrines of devils, whether religious apathy or political insanity. We are to interested in selling our own intelligence and ideas, instead of debating in the original spirit of seeking truth. We argue, we do not debate. We call names and divide ourselves even further, convinced of our own youthful self righteousness, until harsh words will become harsh actions.

          Illegal immigrants are illegal, period. There is a legal avenue, which we used to call The Melting Pot, which has now become a Balkan salad(thank you Bill Clinton). This ethnic multi cultural nonsense, is destructive to the country, we are beginning to see the results of it. But it is nothing like as bad as it must become. Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, they all have one hate in common, whitey. Our liberal establishment sews the seeds of their own demise, and they are too arrogant to care. They will have the power of the gun, eventually, we won’t. At least, white people won’t… legally. That is the crux of it.

          All the initial firearms laws, were designed to keep blacks from getting weapons… did you know that? They do. Do you know that they know that we, the white man, will follow the law, or at least 80% of us will. No matter what.. that includes firearms laws. We will grumble and bitch, but, eventually it will become ‘old news’ as we comply like good little sheep. But, they also know… that 80% of the blacks, and others of color, will NOT follow the law… what does that do? This is the 80/20 rule. Firearm legislation is an evil attempt to disarm whites, legally, because they know what situation will result.

          You say we still have weapons because of the 2nd amendment? But, if we didn’t have some individuals still fighting for that amendment, I assure you, we would not. Thus, your argument is null and void, for without champions(what few there are left) fighting for us, we would have already fallen into an unarmed socialist dsytopia. We are almost there, but almost is only in hand grenades and horse shoes. The only reason it is almost, is because of those who showed up to vote. Those who have showed up to hold back the tide of the leftist barbarians at the gates. The Barbarians know something you evidently have forgotten, they acquire power through the vote, and the process of law, then they consolidate power like the Black Caesar is doing… now. Pretty soon, the barbarians will be the Massa, they will even take your God away from you.

          And when that final vote is cast, and the barbarians have won, say to yourself in the mirror; I should have voted… I should have voted… because then you will have the opportunity to show us what a man you are, what a warrior you can become. What you will have wrought will be Biblical, as in the Greek, ethnic nation shall fight ethnic nation, and your world, will be no more.

          You could get your points across more fully, by intelligent discourse and debate, much better than screaming in arrogant attacks at your ‘own’ brothers. But you choose not to, good luck with that.

          and God Bless us every one… we will need it.

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            @Piper Michael

            Nice rant. I agree with most of what you say! But, all those words, and yet no answer to the question posed to you.

            Q: “Tell me, and everyone else here why I’m a LIB.”

            Would you care to try again?

            • Them Guys

              What the fucks wrong with you? You chase every post by DK to harras him, now you screw around with assinine stupid questions to Piper. Did YOU READ his first Post at all where he DID explain what he means by…LIB?

              L.I.B.= the LET IT BURN crowd! Thats decribes You and a few other anarchist types who really believe they can from a distance all safe watch america burn dowm totally. Then Majically emerge from a hiddy hole to Rebuild a new nation of….Of fuckin What? a Million or so Individual anarchists with zero govnt-zero laws-zero responsibilities…Just all as individuals doing their own thing and all will be swell and kumbya like eh.

              Untill while You are enjoying zero Laws for anything and none to enforce any laws, some OTHER anarchist like You decided to take that fearri he swiped from a dead guys garage out for a spin…At 200 MPH while hes heading Northbound, at the Same intersection You are crossing from the East…And due to zero laws, he Can drive as fast as car will go…Till he Slams into Yours with You inside of it. Yeah hows That zero laws etc workin out Now idiots.

              Pipers correct also on ayn rand. in 1999 I met tons of libertarians when working on passage of ccw laws in mich. Every single one was a proud atheist-and the most selfish and self centered people I ever met. They think a nation without Moral based laws can exist with 300 million people do all they desire as long as Nobody phys harms anyone else. As if tats even remotly possible withOUT Moral laws. Right a nation full of junkies dopeing it up in public-fag parades daily-and wide open borders cause whats so bad if 5 billion Low lifes 3rd worlders with zero concepts of civilized Whitemans ways and lifestyles invades america? as Long as “I got Mine so fuck everybody else” rules the day. Good Fuckin Luck. Thats called Barbarianisim and Jungle bunnyisim to the Max once it plays itself out. Especially once them guys runs out of ammo and are so outnumbered by Haters of whiteys! I wonder if they ralize that Atheisim is the Main footing for Kommisim. And Open borders or zero borders and Faggots running wild IS straight out of the Kommie marx manifesto as to main way to Destroy america.

              But as long as “I got Mine so fuck em all” reigns it all is ok…Untill….It….Fails…Then what?

              Atheisim leads to Lack of compasion leads to I got mine fuck all others leads to anything goes leads to Barbarisim leads to Jungle monky lifestyles leads to…White guys do NOT fit into that at all, and the Hoards of Non whiteys Will kill em all off right fast.

              All desired an Abrupt End to ALL govnt stuff, especuially soc sec. Yet None had any answers when I asked what if, what if no matter how swell You think you are set for cash or retirement etc, and you have fords or GM factory bennifits and health care for life etc…What IF say Union Contracts and Promices Fail in the future? What IF that free health care Fails? what if GM and Fords declares bankruptcy and ends every union perk contract leagally? What Will You guys do then?

              None would answer me. They either left the table or kept whining and crying about bible thumpers etc.

              I got MINE so FUCK You and all Others!…Untill some Unexpected event changes it to, Bad and None eh…Then what? I will Tell you what…Every single one of them WILL file for Social security checks every month, they Will Justify that by saying Gee I too Paid into it so…

              None could admit it though. Same as typical Dem Libs who cannot ever admit when wrong or agendas failed.

              To me all them libertarian guys were EX dems and libs who happen to like Guns alot…If not for That main thing? Theyd likly Still belong to Union promoted demacrats liberals party. Because not much was different from them to dem libs. Like guns and desrie end to soc sec was main goals. And none care at all if 75 million americasn die and starve due to Their ending soc sec with a PINK slip in next months check.

              I guess them idiots really believed that 75 million soc sec folks wont attack Them and Take what they needed!

              But boy they could litterally Quote word by word ayn rands entire book nearly! Persoanlly I will stick with Gods Bible words for life advice. That has never yet failed me. And as to anarchstic pipe dreams? ok go for it see where That gets ya. Good luck. Now RE read Pipers First post to see I am correct that IS what it says about LIB means.

              ps I agree soc sc is a swidnle and should have not been done probobly. Or at least dems prez LBJ should have Never been allowed to steal the soc sec fund to pass out to african low lifes to Buy dem votes. BUT you cannot just end it abruptly for 50-75 million folks who Are fellow countrymen And were all lied to and duped to buy into it etc…Most never had an Internet like today to learn these issues. the Only real way to end it is gradually so nobody who believed in the stuff and worked paid taxes obeyed all laws and basicaly were good solid citizens all their lives, gets screwed. Thats likly to take at least 40 yrs or so to acomplish. OR You “Youths” and all others like them I met prior can deal with 50 Million Very Pissed off older gen like Me who got very little left to lose…Get it. At age 20 something or even 30 something You got lots to lose…By age 60-75…We got a whole lots Less to lose. Why start a real War with Us over soc sec etc? Because if it crashed on its own? so be it..BUT if due to idiots to cheep to pay a few dollars a week untill it can be gradually done away with? Thats a new ballgame of 50 Million Pissed off folks…You will Not like the end results.

              • yourmotherwaswrong

                @Them Guys

                You fools are good for business [the Left/Right paradigm crowd]. Keep it up.

                “What the fucks wrong with you?”

                There is nothing wrong with us! The question is: What is wrong with you?

                “It” [the establishment] needs to “burn” if we ever hope to rebuild!

                Sorry, but American Democracy is the God that failed! And your “VOTE” won’t change anything at this point.

                Statism [central banking and central planning] IS a failed ideology. LOOK AROUND YOU!!

                It’s time to move on.

                It’s called EVOLUTION!

                If you want to live in a failed, centrally planned State, move to North Korea! Just get out of my country!

      • Lurker

        If Romney had won, I suppose the UN small arms treaty would have already been signed and sealed.

        Clinton had a sunset on his gun ban but Romney just did a permanent gun ban as Governor. Obama-care is based on Romney-care, so what were the choices again? Sounds like the only true choices were to either vote or stay home.

        If you did go vote, your choices were “evil” or “more evil”, so might as well go with “more evil” because there will at least be more opposition to what they try to implement.

        There would have been little opposition to anything Romney tried to cram down, no matter how nefarious.

        • Piper Michael

          In this we agree…in part.
          Romney was the Establishment’s choice, but, if we had “shown up” in the primaries, and forced the issue, instead of giving up, then, the establishment wouldn’t have had any choice but to put up the Candidate of the People. This is, for the time being, still, America.

          If we showed up to the elections, and the election counters, and made sure the votes were tallied properly, like in the Battle of Athens Tennessee, there would have been a proper vote.
          If we had, and if we would but SHOW UP, things would be different. But as it was, we did not, and we ended up with what we always end up with; the lesser of two evils. The PTB, DEPEND ON THIS FACT!

          I had no love for Romney, but he was a better choice than the Black Caesar. If then, he enacted a sweeping gun grab, he wouldn’t have been seen as nothing but a traitor, instead of simply evil.

          It would have had more backlash, than simply bowing down to the true evil. The Republican party would be dead, instead of simply suffering for air.

          If a million people show up in DC, as a hanging party, do you think the PTB would go to guns? I do, but a million guns against even a hundred thousand is still a ten to one advantage.

          This may eventually result, in fact, I think it will. But, it didn’t have to be this way except for the fact, that we have allowed the religious proposition that being a sheep is a good thing.

          Government goes to those who show up. Either we believe that, or we simply want to start shooting someone and will use any excuse to go to guns. Some of us want to go to guns so bad, they will use any excuse to bring it down, so that they will have their chaos. They will get it, but they won’t like it. When it happens, I will not curse the evil ones, because they are merely doing what they have always done and are expected to do. I will curse the ‘good guys’, because they allowed evil to succeed, by doing nothing.

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            Piper Michael says:

            “Government goes to those who show up.”

            Ya, by all means… vote for a “Criminal Syndicate” that will chew you up and spit you out. i.e. The Democrats and Republicans.

            The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

            The results of “voting” are getting WORSE! Not BETTER!!

            And don’t blame those of us who refuse to participate in the fraud known as voting.

            If you vote, YOU are the problem. You enable the system to move forward. Not the non-voter.

            • Piper Michael

              I generally try to refrain from calling names, but in your case, like eisen and joeinnc, I might make an exception. You appear to have reading comprehension problems.

              Your anger and arrogance comes through loud and clear, nobody can hear your voice. Your anger, in a combat situation, will get you killed, remember that.

              Otherwise, you, voted. You voted for Obama. You and millions of those who failed to show up this time. You voted by forfeit, your denials and accusations are null and void compared to the hard facts and the numbers don’t lie.

              If you can’t face the results of it, that’s too bad. If you are simply wanting the system to collapse into civil war, then you are an instigator, or a troll, or a simple idiot, I can’t figure out which. You sound like a Libertarian, with the mind of a child.

              If the bullet box is what you want, say it. Don’t dance around it. If the ballot box is done, which, you are wrong, 2014 may arrive with us all still arguing about it…and if so, then you have one last chance at redemption.

              Yes, the system is evil, yes, the congress is corrupt, yes, the money runs Washington. But, you have a chance to change it, they, know, they still have to abide by the will of the people. But the people have forgotten how to impose their will.

              Showing up, means more than just voting. It means learning what the process is, and showing up for that. But, you simply don’t care, you WANT CIVIL WAR. You reek it, it pours out of you and onto your keyboard. Good luck with that, you will go down first, because your anger will cause you to make a rash move. If you cause First Blood, then YOU, will be just another terrorist or murdering a**hole. If you were a decent libertarian American, then you would understand that. So, I don’t think you are either, I think, you are an Obama agent provocateur.

              I will no longer respond to your crap posts.

          • Anonymous

            What you don’t seem to realize is the “Big Money”does not fear your vote. They provide the financial backing for the candidates they wish you to vote for( Republican and/or Democrat). Those they do not control they simply overwhelm by overspending on those they do control. They have spent years programming the masses, through their controlled media, to vote for the Democrat/Republican machine. If you choose to continue to play along with the charade that is voting, knock yourself out!

            • Piper Michael

              I realize it just fine, I just don’t accept that it cannot be defeated by the combined mind power of the good guys, but, the good guys are what I don’t believe in any longer.

              You say it is a charade, and I say it is Kabuki theater… same difference with on exception, we have more swords than they do, and they have no choice but to listen if we were to all work together. The tea party on the Mall proved one thing, THEY are more AFRAID than we are… this was proved by their mockery…

              But we are afraid, and we act on fear, that is our downfall.
              And we are divided, half of us still drink the red koolaide. What you don’t realize, is red koolaide is still a change in flavors over four years of blue koolaide. Then at least, we would have a hook in their jaw, and a line to jerk on. You see the blue hook being jerked now…

              If we want to drink cool clean water, then we have to fight for it, and stand up in mass and provoke the bastards, and quit playing nice, or giving up.
              You guys, have given up. That is more horrible to me than playing nice with the truly evil ones.

              Those who say that red koolaide and blue koolaide are equally evil, I can’t argue with much, except there is a difference in degree between truly stupid, and truly evil.

              I understand completely what you guys are saying, like I said, I agree… I just don’t think you understand what you’re in for. I blame us, myself included, for not fighting hard enough. I blame the tea party for being stupid, and going along to get along, instead of forming a true third party power block. They could make a real difference if they weren’t so divided and scattered. But, you have given up on the system you say you love. You think you can rebuild afterwards, and I think, you’ll be dead for the most part because this next one is for all the marbles, and the blue team, doesn’t play.

              In the battle of blue against red, Evil wins, and stupid dies.

          • Archivist

            Showing up for the primaries did not give me anyone other than Romney to vote for. He was the only one in the race when I got to vote in the primaries. I have never, in over 40 years, had a choice in the primaries. I wish all the state primaries were held on the same day. Then I would get a chance to vote for any candidate, not just for the one the media and TPTB decided for me.

            • Piper Michael

              Agreed, I hate the primary system, have you tried to get it changed? To fight the two party system?
              Did you put your name in the pot, by doing a petition?
              Did you try to do anything other than simply vote?
              Did you make any efforts to get independent thinkers on the ballot?

              I agree, Romney was it when I went to vote, but, at least I showed up and voted. I also tried to do all the other things, but it is impossible when you are a lone voice. Like Ron Paul, I tried, even though I disagreed with him on some things, but it was a lost cause.

              You are all right, in your perception of the problem, it is evil, it is fueled by money, it is everything you say it is…but to equate Romney with the HNIC?, I’m sorry, anything is better than that communist bucket of crap. I think Romney would have been much better, simply because he would have to maintain appearances. I can’t say for sure that he would be ‘better’ objectively, I voted for Bush, and that caused me to quit the R party. But, at least I wouldn’t have to look at that bastard’s face for another 4 years.

              BUT, I haven’t seen any great groundswell of righteous indignation in masses of right wing good guys, showing up doing much of anything. The Tea party on the Mall, was the last gasp of good effort, but, they were simply mocked. They should have stormed the capital and dropped the nice guy image. Not with guns, but with perceived threats. They should have camped out, and dared to be moved. The Bonus army battle would not take place again. It would become a media event, like Vietnam, every night, “we are now 200 days in the encampment of the tea party on the mall… authorities are deliberating a course of action, some want to negotiate an end to the occupation army of militias…” it would have gone on as long as we wanted it to. Like occupy, only done properly, with a list of grievances and demands. Egypt fell because of this tactic, DC would have had to cave. But we didn’t, we had to get home, we had to go back to work. We never thought of the simple tactic of shifts… because we can’t agree on anything. In this regard, DC is a perfect mirror of the entire country.

              It is all about money now. Agreed, but, withdrawing and giving it to the enemy as a fait accompli, with the only box left in the drawer being the bullet box is DELIBERATE.

              DK, says a concon couldn’t accomplish anything but bad things. I say it wouldn’t matter because the bad guys and the good guys, the left and right, would come to a draw… IF we fought them like warriors instead of pussy whipped teenagers. But, the only courage we seem to have is a desire to hear the thunder of the elephant.

              Good luck with that.
              I will be there for you, I will do everything in my power to make it so if the tree must be watered. But, I will first do everything in my power to prevent it, while winning the battle without bloodshed.

              There are times… believe me… when I want to go to the bullet box…then I remember Vietnam, and I am filled with the terrible resolve that it will be a thousand times worse. That only our families and children will suffer the consequences, but… sigh… you have all made up your minds, and caused the current situation by voting for Obama, by not voting. You can’t deny it, but will say anything to justify it. So deal with it, quit bitching about it.

              Me? You may be surprised what I’m capable of. But war is the art of deception, and patience. Watching your enemy, and learning his weaknesses… not rushing outside with a -15 screaming “I’ve had enough and I just can’t take it anymore!”, and then see that you are standing out in the middle of the street alone… because you are surrounded by cowards that can’t even muster up the courage to vote.

              Yes, we are fooked, and we did it to ourselves.
              All politics is local, and I have seen what happens when we get our dander up. We could have won, if you had wanted to. The Establishment and the left, simply wants it worse than we do.

              2014 will be your last chance to preserve some semblance of liberty. It could be our last chance, to throw the bums out, all of them. It is the only way to throw off the money chains, but, we would all have to fight like our lives depend on it, it does.

      • snake eater

        damn with all these experts in here what is a poor old snake to do?????????????????


    9. Merlin

      you can be sure if that bill limited or restricted in any minuscule way whatsoever their pay or health insurance, they would put that bill on hold until they had a chance to digest every single word in the bill, and then they’d submit it to a review board to double check the moe-foe! these pieces of crap in the government are only loyal to their bottom line and the bottom line of their corporate masters! let’s be real. and we should have all been fed with the crap a long time ago. i’m so sick of talk about these people over and over and over.

    10. KY Mom

      Millions of Americans are unemployed and the Senate makes an ‘Immigration bill’ that gives FINANCIAL INCENTIVES to FIRE AMERICANS AND HIRE ‘AMNESTIED’ IMMIGRANTS.

      • Anonymous2

        What do I have to do to become an illegal but registered aliens? I can see lots of benefits of this. I wonder if I could even declare my paychecks untaxable if I was from the right country.

        • Shootit

          Look into becoming a Sovereign Individual. Live under Common Law. Give them back their persona “Birth Certificate, SS No., Drivers License, anything in all capitals, etc”. Object, Don not Consent. Become a Native American. Certain Indian Tribes are selling Passports.

          • Anonymous

            i’m thinking you’re right on the money .

            time to turn ex-Patriot , buy that boat

            and prepare it for a sea voyage .

          • snake eater

            Them guys
            so pray tell me where all there AFRICAN Americans came from???shouldn’t they just be Americans too????


            • Them Guys

              Snake: I never said they didn’t. Maybe You need tell africans that, as it IS them who hyphenate Their “african-american” crap. And yes I agree they should be americans too. But for some strange reason even now after like 300 yrs here africans still cannot seem to assimilate.

              I have zero answers as to why that is? It may be their constant vast Hate and Racisim towards whites..Or I have heard from others that perhaps since you can take africans From africa(or they too can leave there on their Own choices) and place them into any of 200 nations worldwide. Yet it does seem what others have stated that no matter where they end up, that african jungle dna always remains.

              In other words rather than assimilate wherever they live, They do seem to prefere acting more like savages in a jungle setting, than to act more civilized, like “most” whites, and other races do(japs etc act way more civilized). Is that due to DNA in an african? I do not know. I Do have 60 yrs experience with that Uncivilized attitude by them though…So just maybe it is dna related.

              Either way assimilation and Diversity multicultic mambo jambo sure has Failed big time.

              It is too bad Jew banksters financed, jew ship owners and crews to operate the slave trades and bring them here in the first place. Perhaps if they came on their Own accord, things be different eh?

              So yeah best bet is ask Africans blacks why they call themselves africans instead of Just an american like most of us does.

        • M

          You can go be amish perhaps , or convert to islam , course I would be a heretic muslim.
          Would still gamble
          Eat bacon
          Have only one wife

          It just says Islam is given special dispensation , doesn’t say one has to be devout . )

          Just to distinguish this branch people could all wear flat caps and declare jihad on muslims who don’t use soap , toilet paper . Jihad on those who hump camels and wear diapers on their head .

          • Them Guys

            Or become a Talmudic Judiac aka jew and declare jihad on ALL Goyim Gentiles. Then You too can Own and control the entire world free of all non jews(except for that 2800 goyim gentiles rabbis teach each jew gets to own as slaves). Now That is some dandy religious beliefs no!

    11. VRF

      It really makes you wonder… are they doing this intentionally?


    12. Facebook Page

      Who here believes the party has started.

    13. Eisenkreuz

      I am so happy the Supreme Court has struck down traditional marriage. Now gays can enjoy more of life without being harassed by you religious bigots. Now if they could only make Spanish a co-official language.

      • Mountain Trekker

        Eisenkraut, what a dilemma. Miss you when your gone, and can’t stand you when you come back. Guess one day I’ll have to make a choice. Think I’ll just go with the, can’t stand you when your gone! Trekker Out.

        • Shootit

          I wonder if he gets all Government Holiday’s plus 6 weeks of vacation?

          • Eisenkreuz


      • PO'd Patriot

        Bet your best of friends with Neal and Bob.

      • Not so Much

        I didnt know you were pro polygamy and bestiality

    14. KP89DC

      Our country has gone to hell and the sheeple are celebrating… it’s not far off now, be ready especially since TPOUS is out of country spending more of our money on a “working vacation”.

      I’m really tired of this crap and would just as soon get the party started!

      Molon Labe

    15. The Cooking Mom


      Red wheat berries
      White wheat berries
      White flour
      Whole wheat flour
      White rice (food and milk)
      Brown rice
      Whole rolled oats
      Pinto beans
      Soy beans (for milk)
      Sugar (raw)
      Baking soda (cooking, cleaning, hygiene)

      Not much time left….keep preppin’

      • LSB

        Sounds like you’ve been to my place.

      • ScoutMotto

        Cooking Mom, I’m checking out beprepared dot com. They have some selections I have not yet found – very good. I’m formulating my first order with them. Thanks for sharing!

        • The Cooking Mom

          You’re welcome scout. I’ve got a few more interesting tips
          I’ll be posting soon….

          Keep preppin’

      • Gopher

        No popcorn or cornmeal? I don’t have any Whey, why do I need some?

    16. Anonymous2

      Advice to new high school graduates.

      “Graduates. You have a beautiful future ahead of you. America as we know it has changed to satify your needs. There are enormous opportunities for those who seek them in the right places. For instance, young women, if you have an inclination to bear children then the government will happily pay for you to live at home and raise them. You have only to agree to not be married legally. And, gentlemen, there are many opportunities for you. If your body is less than perfect, then you will never need to work legally a day in your life; but, if you are healthy then you can still work illegally and avoid taxes and get free healthcare by becoming an illegal – but registered – alien.
      You may just want to “do your part”. If you are one of those squares, just remember 1 in 3 people in the USA live off the government and 1 in 2 public school children receive free or reduced lunch; so, squares like you not only do their part but the parts of many others as well.
      Welcome to your future. Choose the right path and you can enjoy the ride. Chose the wrong one and you’ll be ridden the rest of your life.
      Good luck.”

    17. Norse Prepper

      My uneducated thoughts on the drop in precious metals is that the elites have shorts on the metals and have flooded the paper market to artificially drop the price so that they could cover their short contracts.

      I am probably wrong, but I think with gold there will be strong resistance to go below $1,200 per oz. because at that point mining companies would be mining at a loss from what I have read.

      When the price gets down to around that point, I’m guessing the same short sellers will “contract up” with long sales and we will see the price rebound.

      Buy the dips, but beware because after 2008 crash silver dropped to around $8 per oz. It eventually skyrocketed up to $48 and now with the same indicators as Mac mentioned above in a post, we could see the bottom drop out.

      Again, my uneducated thoughts are that there is so much demand for physical around the world that eventually the paper artificial manipulation of the market won’t be able to be sustained and at that point many will get caught in their game.

      The only thing I know for certain is that fiat can go to worthless whereas gold will never get there.

      Now if I could just have an unknown uncle pass away leaving me his fortune I would have money to buy some.

      I’m not giving financial advise, just adding my unsolicited $.02.

      God Bless,


      • RickInOregon

        Another uneducated guess on gold’s value. Currently 75% of it’s value is base on fear. As fear diminishes so does the value of gold. The farther we get away from 2008 the more normal life seems and fear diminishes. The more that predictions of doom don’t come to fruition the less belief there is in doom. If there’s no doom then I expect gold to drop down to around 5 or 6 hundred an oz. I’m uneducated in it so my guess is as good as any other uneducated guess.

    18. Mr. Blutarsky

      Bunch of busy body do-gooders!!! If they aren’t traveling to Africa & spending $100 million of our hard earned money they are trying to figure out how to destroy what is left of our economy – and WE are PAYING them to do it!!!!


    19. braveheart

      Soapdish, KY Mom, and Piper Michael, good day to all 3 of you and I totally agree with your comments. Just like everyone else here, I am still struggling every day to keep my job and my head above water. If I ever lose my job to any foreigner, there will be hell for someone to pay! Before clicking on to this site, I had just finished reading where the SCOTUS has finally ruled in favor of gay marriage and struck down DOMA. I literally threw up my lunch and now reading this crap about the immigration bill isn’t helping things either. These are 2 more nails in the coffin for this nation. TPTB just keep on giving people reasons to target them. When TSHTF and martial law gets declared, let DHS and co. come out with their lists. Some of us have lists of our own; it always works more than one way. I’m in a foul mood and on a roll for the rest of the day. Any trolls that come on here today will definitely catch hell from me. braveheart

      • OutWest

        Braveheart— Don’t Shoot— I’m not a troll—

        Affirmative on the foul mood— SameO—

        2 more nails in coffin— Fast rate—

        Coffin be finished next week— OW Out—

    20. Boss Hog

      This really is a no win situation and how can it be with “pass first then read it” utter nonsense. How on Gods green earth can anyone vote someone like that into office repeatedly. It makes no sense and I refuse to try to understand it. I used to be able to put myself in the other guys shoes on most issues, I didn’t agree with it but I at least had the ability to see where they were comming from and why they sort after the bills they did. All that has changed and I am no longer able to see the opposing argument. I don’t understand anymore, I can’t get my head around the argument regardless of how one may stand politically and this behavior is dissgracefull. There has been a shift in the paradigm that I was not included in. Since when do we pass bills we don’t read and flaunt the lack of due dilligence as an acceptable part of the process?

      Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee… KJV

      Better wake up and get what you need asap because this train has left the station and the brakes are shot. Don’t be surprised when you get your draft card in the mail and yes that now includes you too ladies, welcome to the suck! These monsters will not be happy till your in a body bag.

      • nosuchuser

        it’s called congressional district gerrymandering.

      • KY Mom

        Boss Hog,

        I believe that verse definitely applies today.

        Your post about ‘the draft’ reminded me of a bill that Democrats introduced in Congress in 2009, calling for ‘mandatory youth corps’. The bill failed, but I believe it is one of the ‘goals’ the libs would like to see implemented.

        Who knows…Maybe they will attach it as an ‘amendment’ to one of the monstrous bills in Congress. As they don’t read them, a few additional hundred pages might go unnoticed until AFTER they have voted on it.

        • Boss Hog

          Yeah KY Mom thats sort of where I was going with it. We are gonna be in so much trouble due to nothing more than ignorance on a grand no galactic scale. The verse as you know comes from the Old Testament. I beleive we are getting ready to see the events of the last book of the New Testament with a soon to be manifested visit to Ezekiel 38. I more than anyone hope I am wrong. May God forgive us.

    21. GoodDay_2EnterIntoEternity

      More and more it’s becoming clear to me that we are
      headed for some nasty crap where someone’s
      agenda is enslavement of the masses in one form or another. I am sure
      there will be other fun along the way depending on
      region and severity of disaster/collapse.
      THANKs again BI for your recent post reminding of
      of the possible scenarios in a large S. California earthquake.
      I am making a mental list of all of the possible dangers I see and
      I can honestly say I need an aspirin just thinking about them. OUCH.
      THANKs also to the poster who mentioned about the dangers of
      going “head to head” with “official” organized military groups: Yeah,
      definitely avoid if possible.
      SIDE NOTE: If anyone is wondering, the lil Ruger
      LC9 might be the perfect choice for carrying concealed
      in a suburban/urban area (I guess depending on severity and
      type of collapse) or as a backup to your more powerfull
      sidearm/carbine. (holds 7+1, 9mm so decent stopping
      power and very easy to conceal). Super fun to shoot and seemed
      pretty accurate for close distances. Price in our area new on sale is about
      $370. “Getem’ while you can”. Very small so may be ok for smaller hands/female and kick is not that bad.
      Peace out

    22. slingshot

      I do not think there is a solution to the problem of immigration and the installment of Obama Care as it stands now. I am talking about being able to change the minds of those who support these laws. To be able to enact any type of change is to admit that somebody is going to take a hit. Those who may benefit from these laws and those who will pay for it. My understanding is that it is more destructive than beneficial in terms of job loss.
      There is very little time left to act and since that may be I would give them a taste of their own medicine.

      If I was a owner of a business of more than fifty employees. I would first reduce hours. Reduce inventory. Lay off employees two days a week till the enactment of these laws. Convert as much as possible to tangible assets. Inform employees my actions are a result of these laws. Then when they laws are enacted shut the business down.
      It is all coercion by the government so why not reverse the table. Consider if this was done nationally. By every private business. Lost of revenue in taxes might raise their eyebrows. Or you can think of it as a national strike.
      I understand that some businesses when close and will never open again and lives will be affected but how many will close anyway because of government intervention.
      I don’t know what influence the Chamber’s of Commerce’s has across the Nation but I am sure that money and the survival of small towns is part or their concern. Then it becomes political.
      I am stuck, people. Trying to find the way out and have been a good problem solver over the years.
      Not to worry as to my remarks as they will never materialize.

      • Them Guys

        Several of us has posted here with Many posts and links to check out as proofs of what the true agenda is and who’s doing it and why. The Fact that this mass influx of immigrants is happening in all and Only in all white nations should be a huge clue that we are correct.

        Liberals call it Multicult Diversity. They tell us it is good and is a do all, be all solution to All of our national problems. Yes Every nation on earth has problems right. So Why out of about 200 nations in the world, only the aprox 35 that are white nations is this happening?

        Just a coincidence? No not hardly. “If” libs were right, and diversity and multicultic agendas are so swell, and fix national problems so well…Why is it that none clamor for it to occure in africa-japan-china-vietnam-korea-mexico-etc?

        Why is it Very good policy to Keep africa black-japan japs-china chineese-etc and mexico, mexican. Oh yeah do not forget Israel is working hard to boot all non white jews Out so it can be not just a jewish state, but a White only jewish state. And Nobody ever calls those nations or their citizens Racist.

        Why is it so wrong for whites to have a white or mainly white nation like the usa Used to be, when it was about 90% white up till 1965, when Phase-I of flood america with open borders began? And Why when someone asks these type questions as I am doing here, they are always called Racist or worse?

        Japan=99% Japs yet ever heard Them called racist? Nope me neither. Same for all of the Other aprox 165 non white nations…In fact Africans IN africa have been Systematically murdering off whites, and now so few are left it won’t be long now and africa will be 100% Blacks. Yet where are Crys of Racisim?(99% of american whiteys have zero idea that african blacks are Genocideing whites there! No msm reports ever seen in usa, Why is that?)

        Face facts. This is an Ongoing plan By design to destroy every white nation, with america as the Grand Prize of all nations. And it is Not simply as a method to force us into their NWO schemes. No it Is to Exterminate all white folks. And by Any and All means available.

        Did anybody really believe all that recent push to get white girls to screw africans or mexicans and same for white boys too, as seen daily 24/7 on MTV and every other type tv sit com show, especially those geared towards the Younger crowds, were just some..Coincidence?

        How would You do this agenda when faced by so fully well armed of a nation? Death by 1000 cuts. It is all playing out now. Black Yoot hoards attacking whites while eric holder refuses to enforce laws against “My” people as He stated it to the senate hearings. So many white girls and boys makeing race mixed babies you can’t count them fast enough. Older whites forced into Bad health care designed to Kill em off quicker. And another Hundred Million Hispanic invaders due to This 3rd round amnesty since 1965. Ever wonder Why no more european whites immigrate to usa?..Read the provisions of that 1965 Imigration bill laws. Note Who Promoted it till it finally got passed after 2 yrs pushing it. A Dem. Zio Kommie NY us senator. Who cares Only about His Synagouge pals and $$$$$.

        Same for This round. dem kommie zionists mainly, with Neocon Hispanics like Rubio,with Most of the rest of neocon repubs DELUSIONAL to think as long as Rubio as a hispanic cuban promotes it, the end result equals massive mexican Repub voters to Propel Rubio or some Other neocon hispanic into the Next prez election as a Winner!

        NOTE: Both Rubio and Chaz are Ineligable for prez, as Both are Not Natural Born citizens. Think if either runs That wont be hawked non stop on every msm news? And it will so piss off so many More Patriot voters, it spells end to repubs for good. Repubs pull same swindle as Hobammy with a Non nat born and they think Constutionalists patriots will still cast votes for him?!!

        I heard Rubio make a Live TV news statement to some fox reporter guy a couple months ago. Heres How rubio stated it.

        “We Must do this imigration bill as quick as we can, because it is not fair to the 50-MILLION MORE awaiting THEIR Turn(their turn? who says everybody gets a turn?) to enter into america the Right Leagle way!….(reporter guy says some mambo jambo comment) rubio goes on…Like I said we Have to get this bill Done Now because there are 100(catch the huge increase in rubios 50 million has now morphed to 100?) Now 100 MILLION More waiting Their Turn to come here for a Better Life etc etc!” ( and How does That create a Better Life for the 200 Million whiteys and Their kids who Are legit true Native born citizens?)

        Rubio= Cuban Grease ball who swindled tea party folks to elect him so he can assist all He rubio really Cares about…His Fellow Hispanic/Latinas/LatinOs whatever those terms actually mean.

        But Rubios string pullers are NY-Chicago-London-TelAviv-Zionistic Bolshevik Kommie Globalist Internationalistic Jewsih control freeks. Any who doubt these things Look Back at Many prior articles here for the Many Varried Links posted By me and several others here that proves and exposes this issue with more proof than You can posibly contain inside a single Head or brain.

        If Whiteys keep refuseing to awaken…America is Toast. Thats Not a racist statement…Just facts and truth is all. Too many self hating, white guilt ridden, whiteys for far too long now is a Major reason for this delema. Will they awaken? In time? Or continue to assist the non whites of all types in halting any real solutions. Yes there can be solutions same as several Past Presidents has done to BOOT Illeagles Out asap.

        Esinhower did so in 1952, his was the First if I recall right…And it was OFFICIALLY called “Operation WETBACK”!

        They thought only 1 million were then here, was more like 3.5 to 4 Million!(sound familiar?). Operation wetback got RID of a full 2/3rds In Less than 3 months! Most Left On Their Own once it was announced to be Enforced! The remaining 1/3rd took another 6 mo to get out of usa.

        Like today it was about JOBS more than all other reasons. Americans Loseing Jobs. Due to Illeagles invading!

        It went swell too. Untill in 1965 NY U.S.Senator Jacob Javitz(think hes an Irishman?! Joke! try again, Ok is he jewish? BINGO! Zio too! Lib dem Kommie also!) Got HIS Immigrant bill passed, and it Changed quotas so NO more euro whites enter, while Nothing But mex and black Flood usa. Javitz’s statement to the MSM Press when asked how he now felt?..”Open the FLOOD GATES”! “Let em ALL Come on IN”!

        Yep the zio dream come true, wreck the greatest white nation to ever exist. Because One day soon, Most whiteys Will wake up and Learn Who did What and Why!

        That will be a Very Bad day indeed for “some” folks. And highly fed up Pissed Off whites in usa wont be Booting them commie Bastards out like all the other nations has. It wil be WAR! and Zio-Bolshevik Kommies LOSE! Picked the Wrong nation to wreck, this time eh.

        FOR: Much swell expose’ info on Genocide of white Africans of africa BY Blacks there…As well as TONS of articles and Full Color Photos of USA-1/2 dead-100% dead-Raped-Beaten sensless by Brick to face x 20+ hits to face-White 18 yr old Beautifull Girls, Gang Raped BY African Savage Beasts, then still barely aliive, tied up in car trunk and BURNNED to death while still alive! And More such examples and Photos than You can digest.

        And Much more Factual truth and Links etc which provide Documentation to this issue of Zionistic Ruin by Design of the usa, primarily Whiteys in usa as well as all euro nations too…..Try Website of…

        www dot incogman dot net Caution: it is a white based site, and the site owner does NOT mince words as he tells it as is. If You are a whitey filled by white guilt? or have some type insane self need to defend and make constant excuses for such evil violent criminal behaviour BY Blacks Against Whites, or you cannot Handle any facts nor truths regarding bolshevik kommie zionistic jewsih folks…..You may do better at a Liberal demacRAT website where you can get your fill of Antiwhitey and Anti-gentilisim and fortify your self hate of whiteys.

        ALL Other truth seekers…It will answer Many questions and Provide Much Ammo for debating these issues.

        ps: incogman also, like This site, allows commenting posts with zero censoring of posts or replies. Only lib troll types get halted and sent to “Spamblinka” for a time then given a second chance to awaken to reality.

      • Smokey

        I know two small businesses that started layoffs this year due to impending health costs and taxes.

        One is laying off the lefties, first off.

    23. Anonymous

      Congress is a vote away from vaporizing millions of jobs because of the ignorance and complacency of the majority of its members.
      It really makes you wonder… are they doing this intentionally? Really, if your still wondering your the ignorant one and here’s another news flash. They new from the start of NAFTA the decline of America was inevitable, only a dim whit thought Americans could compete with communist slave labor and third world economies and maintain their lifestyle and not eventually become oppressed and enslaved like their competition. The plan all along from the get go, 25+ years into it. Gee I wonder if they knew. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    24. maddog

      Are you still waiting for the “End of America as you knew it” ? Look around, it has already happened. I can remember a bumper sticker on my car said “Kill a Commie for Mommy”. Now they say “My Mommy is a Commie”.

      If there is a God (and I believe there is) he is going to make us pay dearly for how we have used the freedom he had blessed us with.

    25. evoval

      Congress is a vote away from vaporizing millions of jobs because of the ignorance and complacency of the majority of its members.
      It really makes you wonder… are they doing this intentionally? Really, if your still wondering your the ignorant one and here’s another news flash. They new from the start of NAFTA the decline of America was inevitable, only a dim whit thought Americans could compete with communist slave labor and third world economies and maintain their lifestyle and not eventually become oppressed and enslaved like their competition. The plan all along from the get go, 25+ years into it. Gee I wonder if they knew. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    26. GEO-LITHIC

      Hola amigos! a Mexican restaurant on every corner!!

      Modelo for all Beans and rice, chips and salsa

      OOOhhh I almost forgot Gangs, crime and low wages!

      • Them Guys

        Just remember, todays neocon repubs are mostly Libertarians. And as I recall early speechs from Ron Paul and several other libertarian repubs All Promoted Open Borders. And most all promote an end to Moral based laws. Many are atheists. They use the swindle of who can decide what morals to go by? or All Morals laws are based on religious morlas so none should exist. So what laws aint based on some form of Morals? besides what speed you can drive at etc.

        They also promoted fags and lezbos equailty marriages etc alot. Called That equal “rights” for all.

        Basically what they really did was Replace “Rights” with “Licence” to do anything and everything as long as nobody physically hurts any others.

        Well do not be so shocked when folks actually Do such, anything goes crap. Rights come With Responsibility…Licence to do whatever does Not. But hey if all responsibility is based upon Morality…Best thing to do is end That nonsense and allow anything goes as long as nobody phys harms you.

        So with so many repubs and a few dems too probobly buying into libertarian atheistic Licence to replace Responsibility based Rights and Open or zero borders because, all 7 billion folks in world has a licence now to invade america and set up massive sized faggot parades with Dopesters running around dazed and confuzed, it should enhance and add to america in ways we cannot now comprehend! And of course most libertarians think like ayn rand…Greed is good, I got Mine fuck others..Cause if I got lots of money or stuff it will Never affect Me when all that Licence without responsibility goes haywire.

        But That Is where the fools sre so so wrong. It is They who will get Hit hardest and worst by so many differing do whatevers types, their heads will spin. Untill some crazed junkie who’s so doped up thinks hes shooting at some computer video game takes a pot shot at Them.

        And nobdoy else will assist that licence promoting libertarian repub, because They too got Theirs so fuck off bozo.

        And to make it even More interesting, Most fed judges at all levels are of the Jewish talmudic beliefs system. And just Wait untill some newly Married Faggot brings a case to the Fed Courts sueing for his fag rights/Licence to screw small childrens (nambla group)…AND since the Talmud teaches its OK for Jewish Men to screw gentile small Girls UP to Age 3yrs old and little gentile Boys UP to age 9 yrs old…Those Jewish judges will Have to Ok the Same “Rights” to All folks even if non jewish!

        If you think fags fucking Goats or sheeps or puppy doggies next may pose a few problems soon?…just Wait till some fag liberal Talmudic Jew fed judge Ok’s Little girl and Boy Screwing! And of course it will All be Legit by Law….Since Out with Morals based laws and rights with responsibilities to Others as well as to self, and IN with Licence to do Anything and Everything as long as the fed Judges says “its OK as nobodys being harmed physically by another person!”

        What Else did You think They were useing to Replace the US Const with, than Their Highest Laws in the entire Universe, which of course Is Their Tamlud holy books!

        And before anybody screams bloody murder and antisemite or racist crap at me…FIRST Go Look Up the Very Talmud Verses which in Fact Do allow Grown adult male jews to have Sex with goyim/gentile Girls up to age 3yrs old…And goyim gentile Boys up to age 9 yrs old, as their rabbi’s teach it is No sin Nor a Crime as long as its NOT a Jewish child! Thats Fact. Truth 100% Look it up if you doubt me. Then call me names ok.

    27. braveheart

      KP89DC, good day to you and I find myself agreeing with you on starting the party; never thought I would say that until now. We’re getting closer and closer to party time. I’m afraid this is one party none of us can avoid. It’s TPTB that are harming our country, not us. braveheart

      • Facebook Page

        Oduvres are all ready being served. waiting for the salad

    28. svenny

      hypothetically, zimmerman found innocent. Small race riots, and a white man or women or family is killed. Whites retaliate against blacks, this continues nationwide.
      next, martial law to control the violence. gun grabs etc..
      im only saying this, because i know the media is against the free citizens of the US.. and they have a lot of articles about “Will there be riots if zimmerman found innocent?”.. the media WANTS riots for a reason, they are playing us…just something to think about

      • Mountain Trekker

        Svenny ain’t gonna happen! Blacks may riot and may kill a few whites but you won’t see whites retaliate. This happens in the hood, but we’re just a little to civilized. So let’s hear your screeches, all you who can’t stand the truth! Trekker Out.

        • slingshot

          Mountain Trekker.

          Where I live there are many families with many relatives. I will tell you if you fight one you end up fighting the whole family. Most whites would be in a defensive mode but the few that have injury to kin.
          No telling what they would do. Depends on what part of the country you live in.

      • M

        Will there be widescale riots ? If so , it would wake up the koolaid monkeys en masse.
        Too things like firearm ownership ,self defense and jury nullification . Stand your ground and castle doctrine would be a nationwide grass roots movement.
        And then my alarm clock went off , it was such a nice dream time.

    29. Gonetoolong

      Best example yet of just how fucked up things are….The Dow is up 160 at typing of this. Mornings report shows a first quarter GDP of 1.8% at best instead of 2.5 predicted. This is insanity. Wall street says “Yeah, the FED will continue to dump new money.” Strongest statement yet of what will take place when the FED can no longer print new funds to buy securities off of the already wealthy Americans. IMPLOSION. Nobody is hiding from the truth any more. We will soon be at the point where the collective citizenry “realizes” what a farce our true economy is.

    30. Ordinary Average Guy

      Agenda driven “service” to the nation. We lost the country when politicians decided that “self before service” and what can I (and my buddies at home)get out of this, became the rule and not the exception…When many people lost(or threw out)their moral compass. The endgame is not very distant……

    31. California Resident

      I hear many on this board talking about precious metals, but you can’t eat Gold or drink Gold, and you can’t shoot it through a gun either.

      Just sayin’.

      In the mean time, get the hell out of your financial institutions before they go Greece on you.

      • M

        Gold is for people who have run out of room for preps of other kinds . Asides I would rather take my discretionary funds and buy a few shiny things , then leave it in the bank for the owner class to steal it .

    32. KP89DC

      Good day to you as well Braveheart. I’m astonished (not really) that this is where we are. I remember telling a close friend and co-worker of mine (that has opposing views) more than 10 yrs ago this is where we as a nation were heading and all he could argue was that conservatives were responsible and that the people needed to be taken care of because things weren’t fair.

      This entire situation makes me physically sick. I’ve worked hard all my life, been the best person I could be, looked out for others in many ways and treated others with respect and dignity without expecting anything in return. I’ve had enough and just as you I’m in a very foul mood and actually have been for some time now. I’m ready so bring it on. Hopefully WTSHTF I’ll have enough time to get my DW and me to where we need to be with the rest of the family and we can be fully prepared.

      Just had to get that off my chest… not looking for sympathy or anything else.

      Molon Labe

    33. CPB

      “OPEN SEASON:REAL LIFE” coming soon to a city near you……

    34. y99

      Each of us has dealt with chaos within our own sphere of life, and family. I’d say most of us instinctively knew we had the choices of failure or survival, we knew if we survived it would make us stronger, wiser and more adaptable.

      Personal chaos can be overcome, in the world my issues are a drop in the ocean, I can reorder my life because I can in most cases foresee my possible outcomes and mentally and physically handle the painful challenges.

      The by design chaotic path we are currently on is global and extremely dangerous, the level of chaos being fostered will be beyond control and order, the pain humanity is approaching will be like nothing seen before. Sadly the powers breaking down order either believe they can interrupt it or they don’t know or care about the final outcome.

    35. ScoutMotto

      Off-topic alert:

      Tanner gun show in Denver this coming weekend. Last good Tanner show before the Colorado magazine ban takes effect July 1.

    36. braveheart

      OutWest, no need to worry. I know who all the good people are here. KP89DC, I have the same sentiments. i’m still prepping as fast as my paychecks allow me. I feel this sense of impending doom. Something’s going to happen soon. It’s in the air and I can feel it. When I finished reading this article, I had to get up and away from my computer for a short amount of time. That was the only thing that saved my computer from being destroyed. I saw things like this coming back in the 90s, but to finally see them really happen…..Overthrowing this evil system and starting over from scratch are the only hope I see for our country. braveheart

    37. Zim$

      Help me out.

      I go to http://www.coinflation.com/coins/silver_calc.php to track the price of junk silver coins. I then go to eBay to see how much the final bidding prices on rolls of junk silver quarters and dimes.

      Huge disconnect.

      Rolls of coins are selling more than the “official” spot price. Much more.

      So has anyone come up with a website that tracks the real price of junk silver??


    38. SHTFfan

      Everything I read lately points to a dollar collapse-bond collapse at the end of this year (fall?), then hyperinflation for 2014. So Happy New Year, all hell will be breaking loose. Hope ya’ll are getting ready, looks like it’s gonna be ugly.

      • 10mm

        Rack up the CC on ammo and food.Nuff said.

    39. braveheart

      I’m just now catching Eisen’s stupid comments. Eisen, if your really believe what you posted, you definitely need to leave our site permanently. I’m sick of all his stupid comments and his insults. Is anyone else with me on that?

    40. Steve


    41. Fed Up

      Hi all! It’s been almost a year since I last posted so apologies for that. In the meantime I’ve been watching the deterioration of our nation “speed up” and have been prepping like it’s going to blow up any second. The fact of the matter is that the decline has been happening for quite some time now. I am of the opinion that when it does pop it will be more like a bottle-rocket than mortar owing to the fact things have degraded so severely. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just what I think.

      On the matter of congress or the senate passing stupid sh!t that bends over the common man or the business owner, this isn’t really anything new here. These jerks have been raping and taking far too long for me to be shocked by anything “new” they come up with. As for me, I’ll keep living as self-sufficiently as I possibly can and keep my eyes wide open, grateful I am not one of the sheep.

    42. john1028

      Yes, I do think it’s intentional.

      I believe our ‘leaders’ (supposed to be representing the people, not ‘leading’ them) are preparing to combine the United States with Mexico and possibly Canada. All of the immigration reform (to me) points to this: no border security, a wink and a nod at illegals, the millions we have given them via welfare, even NAFTA , etc.

      I think it’s very possible that our politicians know exactly what is going to happen, that is a world government, and they are simply posturing for a seat at THAT table rather than representing the interests of the United States, because, frankly, the United States isn’t going to exist for very much longer.

      What would be the purpose of sound financial policy, reasonable immigration/border policy, SOME kind of coherent foreign policy (even a bad foreign policy would be better than what we have now, which is basically nothing); why do ANY of that if you know you are out the door in a few.

      It all makes sense if you think these guys know our country will no longer exist in a few short years.

      How easy will out health care system be to plug into a world-wide system if it’s socialized? Just apply my theorem to any of the crazy, nonsensical decisions you see being made by our government. Makes perfect sense to me, anyway.

    43. Trailer Park Investor

      We got what we deserve:
      “The best politicians money can buy”.

      • brrrp

        you mean the worst politicians money can buy

      • brrrrp

        You meant the Worst Politicians Money can buy

    44. 3n3my of th3 Stat3

      Max Baucus’s ObamaCare = NWO GLOBALIST Eugenics DeathCare

      it’s meant to do only one thing KILL YOU

      to kill off the lower caste / class of society through poverty and fascist zog fedgov regulated poisoned medicines medical treatments .




      if you want to save yourself eat only non-gmo fresh vegi’s , herbs , drink similar non-gmo fruit vegi properly filtered alkali water drinks , eat non-gmo breads cereals , eat raw nuts , avoid all soy , corn sweetener , aspertine , and processed foods , avoid poisonous stressful environments , chemicals and don’t play in bed with HPV / STD infected diseased women or men .

      * cancer is usually activated aggravated by another disease , toxic physical environment or poisonous chemical diet .


      * i’d also like to point out it is unconstitutional by U.S. CONSTITUTION LAW 1776 and it encourages abuse theft corruption at all levels of the medical industry and the federal state county town governments .

      i will not comply .

      NinaO ;0p

    45. 3n3my of th3 Stat3

      Traitor Corporate Sellout Max Baucus’s ObamaCare = NWO GLOBALIST Eugenics DeathCare

      it’s meant to do only one thing KILL YOU

      to kill off the lower caste / class of society through poverty and fascist zog fedgov regulated poisoned medicines medical treatments .




      if you want to save yourself eat only non-gmo fresh vegi’s , herbs , drink similar non-gmo fruit vegi properly filtered alkali water drinks , eat non-gmo breads cereals , eat raw nuts , avoid all soy , corn sweetener , aspertine , and processed foods , avoid poisonous stressful environments , chemicals and don’t play in bed with HPV / STD infected diseased women or men .

      * cancer is usually activated aggravated by another disease , toxic physical environment or poisonous chemical diet .


      * i’d also like to point out it is unconstitutional by U.S. CONSTITUTION LAW 1776 and it encourages abuse theft corruption at all levels of the medical industry and the federal state county town governments .

      i will not comply .

      NinaO ;0p

    46. Mesquite

      Just a thought….most of us believe there is a strong possibility of a war in our near future. The reason government is buying extra ammo could be that they know the war will come over here. Whomever we engage will send their troops here…just a thought.

      • brrrp

        Its not whom we engage, the enemy is our own govt no one is coming here

      • brrrrp

        Our govt is the enemy Not some foreign troops, the Enemy is Within

    47. Infidels-r-us

      Looking at the state of weapon and ammo sales occurring now leads one to wonder why the gov is not stopping it dead. The only thing that makes sense is that this is a foolproof way to catalog the people they will at some point in time mark for elimination. This way you are adding yourself to their “red” list. Of course you will be called a “terrorist” and your roundup will be celebrated by liberals as necessary. It really is coming down to them or us. The thing to watch for is some action instigated by the gov to start the process moving. Most will be caught off guard and be unable to join a group. My advice is to watch happenings VERY closely, and I feel like I am in good company here.
      Thanks fellow patriots for trying to keep the candle of freedom burning and daring to question gov.

    48. High Noon

      On Topic; On Topic;

      If John McCain had been elected president in 2012 we would have no “OBAMA CARE.”

      I know he is a RINO. (Republican in name only.) About 27% of eligible voters voted for Obama, 25% for McCain. 52% didn’t vote. If you voted for McCain, I feel sorry.

      If you voted for Obama,or


      • brrrp

        still playing the false right left paradigm, that is why we are in the situtation we are in, Divide and Conquer you play the right I play the left and the Govt Plays us

      • brrrrp

        still playing the false left right paradigm you pick the right I pick the left and the Government picks us apart, Divide and Conquer is working well for them

    49. Frank

      Senator Jeff Sessions posted this yesterday:
      Sessions Issues Statement On Tonight’s Procedural Vote To Advance 1,200-Page Substitute Immigration Bill, Monday, June 24, 2013

      “The Gang of Eight and their allies revealed their true tactics tonight. They shut down debate and blocked amendments to a 1,200-page immigration bill that no one has read… This legislation is a crushing blow to the working people of this country, a surrender to illegality, and a capitulation to special interests over the interests of the citizens we pledged to represent.” [. . .]

      What we know for absolute certain is that this bill guarantees three things: instantaneous amnesty, permanent lawlessness, and a massive expansion in legal immigration that will reduce wages for working Americans. This legislation is a crushing blow to the working people of this country, a surrender to illegality, and a capitulation to special interests over the interests of the citizens we pledged to represent.”


      ● Immediate amnesty before enforcement

      ● Guts legal requirement for biometric exit-entry system

      ● Millions of green cards (permanent residency) before enforcement—debunking another false claim from sponsors

      ● No border surge. Agents aren’t required until 2021. It will never happen

      ● No fence requirement. DHS retains discretion in the bill that preempts the call for a fence in ten years. Litigation also provides an escape hatch to never build the fence. The fence won’t happen

      ● Legalization for gang members and convicted criminals

      ● Amnesty for future visa overstays (in other words, a prospective amnesty for future illegal immigrants)

      ● Guaranteed welfare access for illegal immigrants

      ● Undermines interior enforcement, prompting ICE officers to warn: “There is no doubt that, if passed, public safety will be endangered and massive amounts of future illegal immigration—especially visa overstays—is ensured.”

      ● Expands non-merit chain migration—less than 10 percent of future flow is merit-based

      ● Doubles the number of guest workers and triples the number of immigrants granted lawful permanent residency—reducing wages for U.S. workers and driving up unemployment

      See also:

      • Smokey

        Yep, but we all know they just want to feed their families doing jobs Americans just won’t do….like farming, landscaping, construction, retail, food services, you know, that kind of demeaning labor.

        Get in touch with your Senators NOW, and make sure they know we want them to vote NO on passage of the Amnesty bill. If we can kill it in the Senate, it’s dead for the year. Don’t rely on the House to hold it up, it needs killed in the Senate NOW.

        The number to call is 202-224-3121. Give a thumbs up to this after you make the calls, let’s count them. You have two senators, so call twice.

        • Mountain Trekker

          Smokey, I emailed four Senators, two in the State that I now live in and two in the State I moved from, cause I still have an old house in that State, so I use the address there also. Can I give a thumbs up for an email or must it be a phone call. I sent the emails yesterday. Trekker Out.

          • Anonymous2

            Sent my contact forms too.
            “:● Doubles the number of guest workers and triples the number of immigrants granted lawful permanent residency—reducing wages for U.S. workers and driving up unemployment”
            Are they SICK? This process is already totally non-policed and totally abused by Indian companies. I guess since they are not USA-based they assume they can ignore the laws. For instance, there are tens of thousands of L1 visa workers who do not manage anybody and have no special skills and are not temporary. I worked with one who had been in the USA on an L1 for 7 years!
            H1 is just as bad or maybe worse as its TOTAL FRAUD.
            They need to ELIMINATE BOTH of these programs IMMEDIATELY. These program serve almost 100% as anchor workers to move departments and companies out of the USA. In fact, many places I’ve been these workers are billed at $71/hr and $85/hr – more than equivalent American workers!!! They are not even cost savings… just a way to hire based on Nationality and get someone who will move the jobs out of the USA.

          • Smokey

            Sure, why not?

            Didn’t do us any good, did it? I hear our Senators in Washington state were getting thousands of calls, faxes, and emails saying ‘NO’. They voted partly line all the way.

    50. sarum

      Glad people are finally starting to mention this but your info is incomplete. The federal government pays $3K per year for each illegal an employer hires. The document actually puts in writing that the employer is encouraged to count hours the employee “failed to work” in order to receive their $3K. Add that to the Obamacare punishment of $3K (for not paying employee enough to purchase O-Care) and they have placed $6K pricetag on each entry level worker. The bill also brings in massive amounts of foreign university trained highly skilled graduates who have ZERO or very little student loans. US graduates burdened with Biblically criminally compounded student loan debt will never get a foot in the door of any employer because they cannot work as cheap.

      • Anonymous2

        Also, a BS degree from IIT is equivalent to an associates from local Tech. The immigrants will argue that is not true but having worked with many associates persons and many with BS and masters from offshore U’s I can assure you it is. The rules say the immigrant is specially qualified and NO qualified American could be found… in my experience with dozens to hundred plus cases over the years neither has EVER been true one time.

    51. No_to_obamacare

      What our leaders need is some common sense. Pelosi is an idiot!

    52. Prepping Preacher

      it’s my personal belief that the progressive majorities in both the House and Senate KNEW BEFORE THE BILL WAS PRINTED what most of these damning provisions were… those who didn’t weren’t going to vote for it anyway… this is treason… this is nothing less than blatant warfare and destruction of our nation without firing one shot…

      We, The People, must do more.

      pray for the best while prepping for the worst.

      Prepping Preacher

      • HomerSimpson

        They all knew and yet the same ones who could hold up passing a budget couldn’t stop this? Those weren’t progressives, they weren’t liberals, they were conservatives. Please don’t insult us with this pro one group, anti another group nonsense, trying to confuse the real issues. This isn’t a party or affiliation thing it’s a crooked government thing, the whole Congress and Senate is not working in the best interest of the American people, they all need to be dumped.

    53. HomerSimpson

      peolsi says they have to pass a bill so you can know what’s in it.
      Like she doesn’t have the option of taking the bill back to her district and releasing the contents to her constituents.
      With representatives like that, we wonder why the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

    54. ken

      and just like the battered wife we stand around hoping he’ll change and not beat us to badly.

      Yep,,, agreed,,, it’s a pretty sad state of affairs.

      I can tell you this though. If we don’t stand up for ourselves,,, NO ONE ELSE WILL…

      • Indy Colts

        Lock and load because no one else will protect your family

    55. wally

      you would’ve thought they would have learned from the first one
      to not pass a bill without reading it…how stupid

    56. RickE.

      This is UNREAL! Our legislators make LOTS of money. You’d think that for once they’d do their jobs and actually read the fricking bills that they pass!
      However, I find it hard to believe that they didn’t know about this part of the bill, come on, the progressives want the USA as we know it, to fail. As they did to Detroit, they are doing to America!

    57. Butterknife

      Of course they do it intentionally, they can no longer pass laws that will not harm America and it’s citizens, it is there job…

    58. The Universe

      So when a libertarian is out of a job it is the market and the system causing it.

      But…when a minority is out of a job they should have worked harder.

      I get it.

    59. Butterknife

      Couple things could be added to this, first they need more bodies to fight in wars overseas and maintain control over the population. Who better than foreign nationals without loyalty to the people of this country. This will also aid, adding the population,s of Hispanic countries into the NA union, think about it, an extra 100 million bodies to be exploited for innumerable purposes.
      Also after the great cleansing of undesirables, conservatives, useless eaters, blacks, Christians, constitutionalist, libertarians, etc, they will still need laborers to perform the tasks that the former residents used to. and until that time it will be a great way to add to the voting rolls of the incumbent traitors in both parties.
      Nothing happens by accident and is all part of the plan, and most certainly has nothing to do with compassion or creating a better America.

    60. Joseph James

      Call it what you want, Obamacare, Affordable Care Act, its textbook socialist transfer of wealth prior to a full takeover

    61. Fidalgoman

      In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.

      Franklin D. Roosevelt

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