Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts?

by | Oct 2, 2013 | Headline News | 458 comments

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    A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.

    If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.

    Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;

    “I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

    I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

    Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.

    The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.

    “There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.

    In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.

    Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”

    EIther Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.

    Read a copy of the full exchange on Facebook below.


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      1. My way or the Highway..typical lib tactics and rules. Next they’ll want to be the nations bank, so they can properly oversee your money. Maybe they’ll want your firstborn next.

        • Yeah, it is the libs. God, you are a moron. Do you understand anything you read on these sites? You still push that partisan nonsense, so there is probably little hope for you.

          Newsflash: Your republican “representative” got you here just as much as obummer. Idiot.

          • Our ass is grass, and Obama is the lawn mower

            • OutWest, who says that you HAVE to be grass for any MF to cut? Lawnmowers do suffer “breakdowns” on occasion. braveheart

              • All is well. The PAGE re five notice from the gobernut that my current heath plans exceed all of obamacare limit and requirements.

                The PAGE can now sit back and watch the show. Don’t hate the player but yes hate thegame.

                • Phase II of Obutthole Care will phase out employer family plans. We have insurance through the school district and there are already discussions to that effect. O(.)C is driving the cost up. In the the last 3 years our copay has gone from $20 to $50.

                  • My co pay on all is $0 with no limits.

                  • “Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along.”

                    not to hard to figure this one out

                • The Top Obamacare Myths

                  Myth #1. If you like your health insurance, you can keep it.
                  Reality: Many Americans, due to Obamacare, will LOSE their health insurance.

                  Despite the promises made about Obamacare, many Americans are already learning that they are losing their health insurance due to the new law. Many families with health savings accounts (HSAs), mini-med plans, Medicare Advantage, and child-only policies have already lost their health insurance.

                  Scott Gotlieb, “No You Can’t Keep Your Insurance,” Wall Street Journal, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703315404575250264210294510.html

                  Myth #2. You can keep your doctor.
                  Reality: With Obamacare, you may NOT be able to keep your doctor.

                  President Obama repeatedly promised that people would be able to keep their doctor. The sad truth, however, is that doctors are retiring early to avoid the full impact of Obamacare.

                  The Wall Street Journal “Obamacare Arrives,” http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303759604579095561542683376.html

                  Myth #3. Your health insurance premiums will go down.
                  Reality: Your insurance premiums will likely INCREASE.

                  One of the most common promises made about ObamaCare was that it would lead to lower health insurance premiums, In reality, the opposite has proven true. The RAND Corporation estimates that young people will end up paying at least 17% more in health insurance costs.

                  Avik Roy, “Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Average Individual Market Insurance ” Forbes Magazine http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/25/double-down-obamacare-will-increase-avg-individual-market-insurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for-women/

                  Myth #4. Obamacare is budget neutral.
                  Reality: Obamacare has a HUGE price tag.

                  In order to pass Obamacare in 2010, the Democrats in Congress used several budget gimmicks to reduce the expected cost of Obamacare. The gimmicks they employed included double-counting savings from Medicare and the CLASS Act, as well as indexing benefits to general inflation rather than medical inflation. Once those gimmicks are eliminated, the true cost of Obamacare is close to $2.6 trillion.

                  Kathryn Nix, “Top 10 Disasters of Obamacare,” Heritage Foundation, March 30, 2010.

                  Myth #5. Obamacare will provide insurance for everyone and provide “universal coverage.”
                  Reality: Tens of millions of Americans will be without insurance.

                  Democrats in Congress said that Obamacare was necessary to provide universal coverage. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that 31 million people will still be without health insurance, even after the law is fully implemented.

                  The Heritage Foundation: http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/10/obamacare-2023-31-million-uninsured-1-8-trillion-taxpayer-dollars-spent/

                  Myth #6. Obamacare is a “jobs bill.”
                  Reality: Obamacare is DESTROYING the 40-hour workweek and killing our economy.

                  Then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi famously said that Obamacare would be a JOBS BILL, creating 4 million jobs. The reality? Rather than creating jobs, Obamacare has forced employers to make drastic labor cuts, laying people off and also slashing hours. Other employers, faced with huge Obamacare taxes and fines, are moving their plants and operations overseas.

                  The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-employers-slash-hours-avoid-obamacare

              • My favorite Ammo store has bulk pack 1000 rd 308 Federal on sale, and just got brick of Remington 22. Relax things are looking up

                • Hunting season IS approaching in many areas… happy time…

                  ON TOPIC…

                  I have VA health care and they’ve saved my life 3 times…
                  2 service connected.

                  If “they” abolish this madness…

                  I’d give up what I get in a heart beat…
                  anybody who knows me KNOWS,that IS no bullshit…

                • On sale at Rocky Mountain Sports? That could be $1000 for a thousand rounds. Don’t mean to sound sarcastic but Rocky Mt.Sports always has ammo, but who can afford it. What kind of price do they have on 308’s might have to make a trip to Casper. Trekker Out.

                  • RMS USED to be my favorite store, I don’t buy there anymore. You are correct. I won’t be back or just looking; Stuff was at sportsmans Warehouse

                  • The Stuff was 7.62 at 1000 for $848, not cheap. The 22 was Rem Thunderbolt at $23.99 for 500. had a good supply of Bulk 45 and 223. At the rate it was selling, I’m sure the 22 is gone, unless they had a whole truckload of it. I watched 10,000 rds go in 10 min

              • Like a BIG FUCKIN ROCK

            • I will be happy to visit that site just as soon as someone comes to my house, puts a gun to my head, and enters the address into my browser.

              I say again, nobody can FORCE you to do anything. The best they can do is to coerce you into volunteering.

              Like Nancy Reagan used to say, Just Say No. Why pay for health insurance when all it does is offset some of the cost of going to get yourself prescribed pills that often do more harm than good, and potentially could kill you.

              If you get sick, heal yourself instead of seeking treatment from the corrupted medical profession. Probably less than 5% of all doctor visits do anything but feed the system anyway. And over 200,000 per year lead to the death of a victim that would still be alive had they only stayed home.

              Do you think you need “insurance” (which is a maritime contract) to pay for the privilege of putting your life at risk? You are merely paying in advance for any cost your owners may incur in caring for your health.

              If they want slaves, they should be willing to foot the bill for keeping them.

              DON”T VOLUNTEER.

              • well i said that within a year of this bill going on line that they would give the individual mandate teeth ,i was wrong looks like there going to right out of the box ,makes no never mind to me ,i have no plans to buy it even if their offering it up for a penny ,where ever the cards fall thats where they fall ,they can do what they need to do ,and ill do what i need to do “Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death”

              • Amen

              • Amen


                • I’m about 10 years ahead of you buddy.

              • Very well said 🙂

                I got in an argument with my wife about this the other night.

                You only have the rights that you live on a daily basis folks.

                My rights came to me from God at birth and no man, women, or government can take them away!

                If you want to voluntarily give them up to CorpUSA then by all means fall in line with the sheeple.

                Remember, “Were the government and were here to help!”

                They just forgot to tell you they are here to help “themselves!”

              • Medical….

                Husband goes to DR. with back problems and restless legs. Dr. prescribed Gabapenten.
                Husband takes pill but gets referred to a Ortho guy AND a Neurologist.

                The Ortho does a scan and finds degenerative discs. Husband does not want surgery. Ortho refers husband to a pain management specialist. Husband gets shot in back and feels better.

                Meanwhile the Neurologist says keep taking the Gabapenten and tells him he has neuropothy.

                About on month goes buy and husband is getting very angry and depressed. We read the side effects of the drug and find it can cause severe depression, aggressive behavior, loss of coordination, suicidal tendencies, etc. BAD DRUG. Stops taking it.

                We go to website for Dr. J. Wright and find that B 100’s and Alpha Lipoic Acid work for neuropathy. Husband takes those and they work better than the prescription.

                Total cost to us? $20.00 to original doctor who did nothing but refer and $40.00 each for 3 specialist and $195.00 for the shot in the back.

            • This story is not true. The reality is bad enough without making things up.

              • And you can prove that it is not true? SHOW ME.

            • Correction…things keep going the way they are and President Stompy Feet’s ass is grass.

              • I really wish that were true. The thing is that this is all planned. They will rush in to “fix” this disaster with single payer insurance and thus they have taken over the entire health care industry and we are one step closer to complete Communism.

            • HA!! That is a hilarious comment!

          • Hey “tolerant”…do you remember the midnight voting party, where parliamentary tricks were used to pass this abomination. The one without any Republican votes. I thought you might overlook that. That is another lib tactic by the way. Since you brought it up, I am not a big fan of Republicans either. And I agree that both parties have a hand on the throttle in this train wreck. However, weak kneed, moderate or whatever they claim to be, they (pubs)are the ones at least attempting to stop or at least delay this monstrosity.
            Regardless of how the health care thing works out, the country has many more, equally devastating problems waiting to manifest themselves. Most of those were orchestrated by libs. Whether they wore democrat or republican hat is irrelevant. Like they say..Liberalism is a mental disorder.
            Before you start calling names, perhaps you should look in the mirror so you’ll know a moron when you see one.

            • Ordinary… Well said

              • @Lanny, Thanks….seems some folks are eager to criticize on an assumption without even a token inquiry of anothers thoughts on the subject.

            • The motto for 2014 should be “Vote for the Challenger” and clean out all the sludge in Congress. Don’t vote for a party. They’re all corrupt; however, having newbies it may take awhile for them to get too corrupt in the 2, 4 or 6 year term before they’re voted out. “Vote for the Challenger”

            • To clarify, they didn’t actually vote obamacare in. They deemed it passed, in essence hung it out for the other party do something about it, which said other (ha) party did……not.

              My current insurance runs $300 for catastrophic coverage, with $6k annual deductible.
              New plan: $755/yr. with $12k annual deductible. More than double the costs and annual out of,pocket. Thanks for the savings.

              Now, as if that were not enough off an a$$ rape, I looked on kaiser foundation cost calculator (tried to do the exchange thingy so I could see costs, alas, wouldn’t let me register. So, anyhoo, the cost estimate for the same insurance is…$11k annual with $12k out of pocket annual, but I magically qualify for a $4kish subsidy to offset the cost.

              So, my insurance, via “free”market (work with me here) and Obama’s benevolent exchanges costs me the same, but the insurance company (or someone) pockets an additional $4k? No wonder the healthdontcare industry lobbied to the tune of $1.6 billion to get this thing deemed passed without our esteemed representatives reading in graphic detail how we the people would be fu$ked by this.

              Oh, we all, well maybe not all, Know about the lean years that started this year. Wifey pointed out that this may very well be the vehicle that leaning starts with. Think about it, government taking, via threat of violence, more of your property, or worse enforcing their self given right to your property should you resist. What does joe average have to cough up to keep uncle happy? put off college to pay helth insurance? perhaps put off a move, or fixing that car, or, shudder, start a business, or prepare better? Silent protest will work for a while. Then it will have to get confrontational to get these criminals to back off, kind of like how thieves today bypass homes they suspect might have effective means of defense.

              • Congress has RULES that they are to abide by. One of those rules is that a bill has to be posted 48 hours in advance to THEY ALL CAN READ IT. Those rules didn’t apply to this bill so maybe we can sue to make them vote again AFTER they have all certified under oath that they have read and understand this bill. Lawyers out there! any takers?

          • @lowtolerance – You really should tone down your rhetoric. It doesn’t become you.

            • Yes Mensa G., unfortunately we’ve been sold out-wholesale!

          • On the contrary Mensa, I happen to agree with lowtolerance. He seems to have a clearer view of the picture at hand.

            • Yep, he got a thumbs up from me. This problem goes way beyond some rigged election where you are given the illusion of choice. The left wing and the right wing are both attached to the same vulture picking the flesh of freedom from our bones.

              You want to fix this? Noncompliance en masse. Problem is, too many people claiming to be awake are still too asleep to see the obvious; you get a choice between controlled puppet A or controlled puppet B. Your vote never counted even when the votes were actually counted. Now a winner is determined by an exit poll, before, they just disappeared the ballots they didn’t like.

              As for your local elections, get real. I’ve spent too much time being stunned by how many local scumbags with more money and more connections than the honest person with a small budget, will literally buy an election. In some ways, the local elections are even more corrupt than State or National. The sooner everyone realizes this the sooner we can apply the only solution. Most of you know what it is but often cower at the mere mention of it; I spit at thee.

              So, to those of you still trapped in your fantasy world where, “if you could only get the right guy in office, everything would be okay” horseshit, I vomit truth upon ye. Keep paying for your own enslavement through extortion in unrepresented taxation. Keep playing right into their hands every time you vote for one of their pre-screened and pre-approved candidates. Keep buying all that useless shit you don’t need, made in a Communist nation; the same place where all your manufacturing jobs were sent to buy the same fascist overlords you worship. Go on, just keep on being that debt zombie slave and be all the ‘steak on the table’ you can be. Fools, America is no longer a Republic and hasn’t been since 1871. Submit, obey, acquiesce and comply.

              • None are so helplessly enslaved than those who believe they are free. The land of the free has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world. The land of the free dictates how much water to flush with, what kind of light bulb, what kind of gas to put in your car… Land of the free? Remember freedom? I don’t but I’ve heard stories about it.

              • Non-compliance is exactly what is needed. We outnumber them millions-to-one. They can only do to us what we allow them to do. Solidarity by the People would turn this whole nightmare of a Socialist State around, and we could rebuild our Republic from the ashes of “(no)Hope & Chains” destruction….

                Keep on preppin’


                • Interesting you reference a union slogan to rally against a Socialist /Communist regime. I would think most here would find that contradictory, despite its merit….

              • @Joerepublic…..I agree the republic is long gone. We have a collection of so called “representatives” who only represent themselves and their big money donors. The days of politicians being public servants is long past also. Greed and cronyism has become the main focus of government. Re election at any cost (so they can keep their fingers in the public pie)is their only concern. Whether you have health care, food or whatever is not their problem. It seems to me that to run for public office at any level requires that you check your personal honor and integrity at the door. The big question is…what lies in the future. Can the people who aren’t content living on the gov dole, value liberty and opportunity, take back control of the situation or will it have to wait until we make a smoking hole in the ground and recover from the ashes. My observation makes me think that no one will want to upset the apple cart. Things seem ok now. They have a job, house, 2 cars and so on. It will probably take a big smack in the face to make many realize there is a big problem here and now. If not addressed soon it might be too late to prevent the catastrophic event that will reshape our government for better or worse. My 2 cents.

              • JoeRepublic,
                Way to go, Joe!!!

              • Couldn’t have said it better myself 🙂 I like your style JoeRepublic!

                “Those who expect to reap the blessings of liberty, must like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it” Thomas Paine

                Fear is a great motivator for TPTB.

                If you don’t fear them you have taken away there power!

                I for one will not become one of the BORG nor shall I go quietly into the night!

              • Most of what you said is true. I watched in Washington State as they groomed McDermit. He started small and got big. They spent time and money on him every election he was in and he won.

                I watched as Cory Booker won because of a huge influx of money from Bloomberg even though he was from out of state.

                But, you can make a difference. We supported Ted Cruz after meeting him and talking with him at an open house. He was not supported by the Republican party and he is not a Tea Party member, he’s just Ted and he believes this country can be great once again. So we went out and canvased, called and talked to our neighbors. HE won! We are proud that we got someone outside the mainstream political machine elected and it really didn’t take that much time. We can still make a difference but we have to work a little to do it.

          • Yeah because Repubs cant be liberals…can they?

          • Wakey wakey to all who haven’t quite gotten it. There are no Liberals, Conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, left or right. There are only those who are in the gang (call it what it is, they are forked-tongued, murderous, control-bent, blood-thirsty gangsters), and those of us who aren’t. Yep, sure, Obama is Hitler with a smilier face, but he only took over from Mussolini.

            “Don’t ever be fooled into thinking that the elite will allow you to vote away their wealth.”

            Gold Leader standing by.

            • Spot on, Gold! They are two SLIGHTLY different angles on the same agenda. It’s about control. Bush or Obama, Rumsfeld or Kerry…they’ve all done very well at scuttling our ship, leaving us to pay for it. It’s treason.

          • Really??? I call Bullshit again!!! Just like the WWII Memorial non-event. Yet another unmanned minor bureaucrat over Facebook this time. The federal government cannot seize or suspend anyone’s driver’s license. Licenses for marriage, businesses, and driving are the sole purview of the states, not the federal government. It’s interesting that the fellow sending his Facebook chat/email page somehow sort of forgot to show the origin of the threat. He said it happened but he doesn’t provide proof. Just saying so doesn’t make it true. That’s why I call bullshit. Show the name and an office origin and I’ll back down.

            • They tried shutting down privately owned Mt Vernon

            • How many rights have the states already lost to the federal government? Education, health care, environmental restrictions, I could go on, but suffice to say that the federal government and Homeland Security have stolen our rights and we sat back and let them.

              If he’s wrong how come they won’t let you go into the site and find out what your ACTUAL premiums will be BEFORE they collect all your personal information? How come, when some states already had health care in place, did the federal government feel they needed to screw it all up and interfere? How come you can’t keep your health care insurance or your doctor? 3 doctors in my county of 50,000 have already quit and one more is following. One local small town hospital is going out of business because they provide care for elderly Medicare patients and can’t make enough to keep their door open.

              You really think a government that can’t even put a SECURE website out there is going to manage our health care? If you do, you are one brainwashed person.

          • When people have had enough we will start killing these people that wish to be our masters.

            • I empathize with you F.P., fully, and have that feeling daily sometimes. BUT violence has only allowed the masters to remain in power. They want us to get violent so they can use that as an excuse to rub us all out. For us, victory is about massive non-compliance. Violence only in self defense. If we all just DECIDE how it will be, that we will be free, and we’ll be peaceful, they can’t touch us. Their power is gone. If we ALL stand up, they are powerless.

              • A yard full of weeds (freemen) that stands up without thorns (guns) to back up what they are standing for will get mowed down by the gardeners (pro-elite, society robbing, wealth-coveting, power cabals who consolidate power into themselves through bogus laws, and enforce them with government sponsored thugs and bullies who, by and large work under the “Better you than me” mantra.) The only reason there is at least a veneer of “Freedom” like rumors in place is due to more guns in the posession of the masses than ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD! Why else would the anti-gun campaign continue so persistent and blatently contradict overwhelming evidence to show crime stops when guns are in the hands of the masses?

                No, there is no non-conflictual way to reverse course in this nation, but without a catalyst to bind the enslaved masses against the established rulers, the “Kabuki Theatre” (sorry, don’t recall that persons posting alias) as another poster on this site so aptly put, will continue….

          • NO Republicans voted for ACA (aka Obamacare) NOT ONE. While I am not in love with the Republicans, this Train-wreck is 100% the President’s and Democrats fault regardless of how fines will be assessed!!! With this law at least blame the people responsible Barry O and his minions!

            • It’s not a train wreck. it’s a very well thought out way to get single payer for the US. That’s the bottom line here. If it wasn’t they would have read the bill and they would have put out a secure, informational website, not the crap they just did.

              Conrade Lenin said that one of the very last pieces in the implementation of communism is to nationalize the health care system.

          • Has anyone checked if this is true?? The article above did not confirm it to be so and I could not find it anywhere on the net.

            • The original article was on info wars. They cited specifics in the legislation that FORBID these tactics. However, DHHS wrote 10000+ pages of regulations. So who knows? Infor wars says we’ve been lied to by govt he this guy is full of shit. It’s sad, but I don’t know who to believe.

              • Thanks. 🙂

          • the leadership of both parties is nearly identical – I grant you that…
            But not one Republican voted for this piece of shit ACA or ObammyCare…That counts a little…
            Also the House (so far at least) is refusing to fund this BS, and ever day that the Gov’t stays partially shut down is a victory.
            Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Lee are vastly different than Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi – you got to admit that?

            • Until they came along there were no true statesmen/women left in congress. At least they are vocal and fighting even though the press is brutal where they are concerned. At least if the press doesn’t like them we know they are doing something right.

          • Not much difference in them most of the time…true.. BUT not one republican voted for this obamination…only libs…only Marxist nanny state libs…so your either uninformed or purposely misrepresenting reality…bad enough theyre usually stupid,you dont need to embellish it!

          • lowintelligence,

            Not a single republican voted for your heroes law. None were even allowed to see the terms of the law. So save your bull shit Obama ass kissing. This is his bill and he owns it.

          • Not one Republican voted for Obamacare. Quit lying you dirtbag.

          • Can’t you people just make an honest truthful informative comment without insulting?

        • It’s more depressing everyday…

          Things are speeding up…

          • They will become less depressing if we start using the word–


            • Honestly at this point that wouldnt even matter, just as much of the financial crap started with GWB this stuff will never disappear just because we get rid of the kenyan.

              • Much of this can be traced to people in the carter administration.

                • Yes Sir!
                  And there all mostly zionist joooz:-)

                  • Now why did we have to go there the point was made. Now its just lets pick on a race. Who gives a fuck if they are jews.

                • Schumer, Lautenberg, Fienstien, Levin, Frank, Boxer, Jamie Dimon, Gold Man Sacks, Jack Lew, Hank Paulson, Timmy the tit Geithner, Cantor, ….Im sure it’s all just because their exceptional? And you ask “who cares?” Wake up facebook” Mark Zuckerburgh” and see the real enemy… once you do you’ll see how easy it is:-)

            • The people in power are those that need to be impeached. Also the media is in on the fix. It will never happen. The proverbial shit MUST hit the fan to snap the zombie citizens out of the trance. This country is a ball of building tension. It is coming folks.

          • And just how much more of all this BS do you think we can stand….We seemed to have more BS dumped upon us each day……Wonder exactly how long they waited back in 1776 ?

            • When the true numbers on this healthcare bill start getting published and they bail in anyone who has any money to recapitalize the treasury, that may wake enough of the sleeping masses to finally get something rolling.
              Who is John Gault.

              • “””When the true numbers on this healthcare bill start getting published”””

                Yeah right. Just like the true numbers on inflation and unemployment they will never see the light of day.

                At least with those they have shadowstats to give you an idea based on times when the corp was fairly honest about them and based on reality.

                With this crap, nobody will be able to find the truth because it has never actually been told outside of corp dreamland.

            • A 3% tax on tea eventually led to the American Revolution.

              Now you pay up to 70% of your earnings to a De Facto corporate government. You are groped at the airport, surveilled on in the streets, spied upon in your own home, fed propaganda by the media, lied to by your representatives, have your rights eroded, your currency devalued and are on the verge of an overt police state. Did I miss anything?

            • They waited until immediately after Lexington and Concord. Then the Militia shot the shit out of the lobsterbacks, today known as commies.

            • Well Mr NoregretVet, If I remember my lessons…. the first American revolution started when the British tried to disarm the colonials. That’s why the shot heard round the world was fired at Lexington and Concord.
              Btw, thank you for your service

        • The good news?


          Git yer ammo while the gittin’s good.


          • JQB, I would hope so but I ain’t puttin’ any stock in it!

            • I doubt it, JQB
              There’s a reason the word numbers starts with NUMB

          • Kind of high priced ammo in your link.

            • You just noticed? I guess you haven’t done much ammo shopping in the last 2 years.

              • No, I have noticed. I was just commenting on the post.

        • Tarred and Feathered BITCHES!

          And I’m being Merciful at this point.

          • Even mercy must be earned.

        • This is what happens during a collapse after the USSA has lost the second cold war.

          • If you think about it, the cold war never ended

        • They already ‘oversee’ you bank accounts, AND your retirement plans, AND your income. Soon, your 401ks, defined retirement, etc., will be ‘nationalized’ and you will be allotted a monthly income similar to the SS system. They already have access to your bank accounts and will take what is necessary to keep your banksters solvent. Wait and see.

          • “””Wait and see.”””

            Terrible advice.

            Far better to prevent and protect.

          • The fractional banking system and the Federal Reserve is probably the most corrupt group ever created.

            The entire system is based on government spending and borrowing, especially borrowing. The government needs money for war, social engineering, public works, and promises so they write an IOU. The banks buy these IOU’s (bonds) and sell them to the FED at a profit. The FED then writes a check to the banks (from a ZERO balance account) and the banks loan out 90% of that money so they can make money on interest payments.

            Meanwhile the government has now gotten all those dollars created out of thin air and they pass them out to the various departments. The government workers and military personnel deposit those checks into their banks accounts and the banks loan 90% of that money out in order to get more interest (which was created out of thin air). Then the cycle starts all over again.

            We, the working public, deposit our checks into the banks and the same thing happens, but our checks are paid with real dollars, not created out of thin air. ON those earned dollars we get to pay income tax, which the government uses that income tax to pay the interest and principle on the national DEBT. The congress keeps spending and borrowing because they don’t want the collapse to come on their watch.

            Now comes the good part… The FED gets a return on deposits they hold via interest payments and profits of the World Bank. The FED then pays it’s shareholders (no, the FED is not a government entity) a 6% dividend on the deposits they hold. Try and find the names of those shareholders…. I cannot.

            Bernie Madoff is in jail for a scheme that was much less elaborate and much less harmful, yet we continue to let our government spend and borrow and make us slaves to their system of theft. So if you like being a slave, please write your congressional representatives and ask them to keep things like Obamacare, and keep spending more and more until our dollar is worthless.

        • Resist. Refuse. Rebel.

          Massive resistance and non-compliance is the ONLY thing that will defeat this.

          At some point, you must draw your own line in the sand and say, “No more.”

          Is this not that point?

          Think about it.

          • That’s what I was wondering. Would they attempt to put one third or more Americans in jail for refusing to comply? Do they have the infrastructure in place to house, feed and support millions of people? Or would they just start ” thinning the herd?

            • FEMA camps…..

        • what the hell is a bank, people still use these go cash only

        • Sorry to tell you but its because of the fractional banking system and government that we are in this mess today.

          The entire system is based on government spending and borrowing, especially borrowing. The government needs money for war, social engineering, public works, and promises so they write an IOU. The banks buy these IOU’s (bonds) and sell them to the FED at a profit. The FED then writes a check to the banks (from a ZERO balance account) and the banks loan out 90% of that money so they can make money on interest payments.

          Meanwhile the government has now gotten all those dollars created out of thin air and they pass them out to the various departments. The government workers and military personnel deposit those checks into their banks accounts and the banks loan 90% of that money out in order to get more interest (which was created out of thin air). Then the cycle starts all over again.

          We, the working public, deposit our checks into the banks and the same thing happens, but our checks are paid with real dollars, not created out of thin air. ON those earned dollars we get to pay income tax, which the government uses that income tax to pay the interest and principle on the national DEBT. The congress keeps spending and borrowing because they don’t want the collapse to come on their watch.

          Now comes the good part… The FED gets a return on deposits they hold via interest payments and profits of the World Bank. The FED then pays it’s shareholders (no, the FED is not a government entity) a 6% dividend on the deposits they hold. Try and find the names of those shareholders…. I cannot.

          Bernie Madoff is in jail for a scheme that was much less elaborate and much less harmful, yet we continue to let our government spend and borrow and make us slaves to their system of theft. So if you like being a slave, please write your congressional representatives and ask them to keep things like Obamacare, and keep spending more and more until our dollar is worthless.

      2. Wow…..The marxist version of the “AUDACITY OF HOPE”.

      3. Just another reason not to have a bank account.

        • BO boys will just garish your wages and put a lien on any property you have, just like the good little nazis they are. This is not a tax on the highway safety or something, this is a police state tax that says YOU have to support all the other people that treat their bodies like a garbage disposal unit. You have to pay to keep these junk food addicts alive and barely kicking. This is worse than any socialist medicine because the amount you are going to pay out is far more and controlled by private insurance companies that HAVE To charge everyone a fortune to keep in business.

          Okay, now that we have that little issue, what next? How about making it a crime not to pay the BO care insurance and then make it a crime that makes you unable to own a firearm. Just look at how they made the gray area of domestic violence something that could forfeit your right to have a firearm. This is more than possible as this government is looking for any excuse to piss on the Constitution and then flush it down the toilet.

          • You are right BI, they will garnish the wages and put a lien on your property. Fortunately, I am self-employed, so that nixes the garnish on wages. I lost my home in the MERS scandal, so no lien to apply there. Everything else I own is in an LLC, so it is untouchable, at least at this point. It is not my preferred way of living, but the fuckers have pushed me into a corner, with no way out. So I do what I gotta do.

            • You got it outlaw,

              Do what’s needed to avoid compliance and the fine. I am self employed also.

              I’ve quit working as hard to limit income. Starve the beast – when income is low enough, apply for free healthcare, snap and any other assistance this stupid government will give you.

              Help the collapse along – give em what they want, a bunch of no working takers !!!

              • Ive cut my production back too,
                But i dont want any freakin handouts from these bastards.
                Going Gault

                • I can see where both you and Quick are coming from and I can see the merits of both your positions.

                  Yes, being on welfare is a great way to be on a government list, and nobody with more than two brain cells to rub together wants that.

                  However, if you don’t view it as a handout but instead as a way to be as costly as you can to the government, to make them expend their resources faster so they will exhaust themselves sooner, as Quick advocates, also makes sense.

                  Perhaps if you combined both your views and strengths you might be able to cause some real damage. Say find a way to work off the books so your declared income goes down yet your take-home remains the same and still drawing welfare? Use the very flaws and loopholes of the system as a weapon against it. Oh, and once they cut it altogether you won’t be up shit creek without a paddle.

                  • Good analysis CV. I wonder if you do receive benefits, if you are truly on a negative list, or perhaps they see you as an asset? Perhaps working the system would have you appear to be the good little sheep to them, drawing less attention to yourself? Thoughts?

                  • I am actually enjoying my new direction, more time to do anything else i feel like is the biggest benefit, learning to make do with less is also good,
                    I figure that way when the bottom falls out i dont have as far to fall so wont hurt as bad, when you are used to just getting by you really dont miss a lot of things.
                    Handouts no matter where they come from are not going to be part of my plan, self sufficiency however is.

                  • @Outlaw
                    I dont want to be on any list,
                    But at the same time you have a valid point about being a good little sucking sheep!

                  • To make that happen, the feds will have to get rid of cash. As long as there is cash, it can be reported for taxes purposes or not. Its hard to prove how much cash you made. There is an audit trail to how many checks you deposited or cashed.

                  • You do have to admit, if you are already self-sufficient, you could kill two birds w/ one stone. The ability to have surplus to add to the larder, while at the same time not falling on to the bad list of being self-sufficient. I am more like you though Kula, I don’t want shit from those dirtbags.

                • @Outlaw,
                  Free stuff is tempting,
                  Family members dont get me at all, still telling me i should sign up so i can get health coverage.
                  Its all about principals, i will die before i fill out all the paperwork and become another sucking sheep.
                  They dont get it,
                  What would John Gault do?
                  Im sure b obummer medi plan wouldnt be on the table

              • I was waiting to see if they would repeal Obamacare and step up and start paying down the national DEBT but they are not.. So end of this year I’m shutting down my business and walking. I refuse to be a slave to the government and the banks any longer. They can find another slave, I’m through….. 122 good paying jobs, with healthcare gone….

            • Sorry about your house Outlaw. We went through that whole debacle! The only ones making money on that were the lawyers. We paid dearly for the education we received. Wouldn’t wish that on an enemy if I had one. Again, I am really sorry and I hope you get a much better house in the future.

              • Thanks AE, sorry to hear you have been through it also. The biggest problem is that they are breaking the law in the MERS scandal, yet the courts still side w/ them. Anyone who has a MERS loan, will never, I repeat NEVER, hold a clear title to their property. To top it off, the property has been paid for in full at least 2-3 times over. The sell the deed over and over, the true owner is never known. This is why you will never own it, even if you go to your bank and pay it off in full w/ cash. The deed is lost. My bank could not produce the original mortgage, so had no standing to foreclose, well, try telling that to the judge. In a way, I am glad I lost it, before I payed it off in full, only to never to hold a clear title.

                • Thanks Bill Clinton for the repeal of Glass-Steagall….. it’s only going to get worse and worse…


            • Off topic…

              How to install your own off the grid well

              Off the Grid News dot com

                • awesome. glad I waited on buying the flojak, my well is 235′ deep. this could be the ticket…….;)

              • I started to look at this a couple of weeks ago, I first have to finish up a few projects before I can start a new one.

              • How about an off the grid enema for your OCD self.?? 🙂

                • You are incredibly crude.

                  • Oh, my my. Oh, my my. You can boogy, if you try. 🙂

                • DocLRRP,

                  Only a knuckle dragging Neanderthal caveman would say something so offensive to a woman.

                  • Guilty as charged, I guess. 🙂

            • Self employed here also. It has been more than 10 years since I showed any employment income. All my income is rental or dividend based. Maxed out my SS contributions long ago. No reason to keep paying.

            • “””It is not my preferred way of living, but the fuckers have pushed me into a corner, with no way out. So I do what I gotta do.”””

              Outlaw, it’s called living FREE. I can’t believe that you would prefer any other way, especially the slavery you were driven out of.

              They didn’t push you into a corner, they gave you a gift by making the chains so unbearable that you were forced to break yourself out of them.

              One more down, 310,000,998 to go! That’s how freedom gets a foothold and spreads.

              • Good point GC, and you are 100% correct. I guess what I really meant is that currently it is very hard to function outside of the system. Now if we could just more on board, then it is definitely the preferable way of living.

                • It is a hard life indeed…but there are rewards to it that out weigh the downside…itd be nice to have more money…to be able to buy a pizza once in a while without feeling like a waster…stuff most take for granted…on the other hand pizza will kill you so I guess its actually a blessing…I think you know what Im saying…if all I have is my freedom then Im a rich man 🙂

            • Be very careful that they will not pierce the corporate veil and access this way your LLC funds. Here is how they can do it: if you pay any of your persl. bills with LLC checks (instead of paying yourself first and buying a money order)they can grab your LLC funds as you are using the LLC account for persl. use. BTW, those who think they are safe because they did not give their SSN # on the .gov. questionaire for Obamacare are not safe as they don’t need the SSN # if they have all other info. They just run a match program through one of their data bases (like the post office). They got all the info they need to fine you and to collect their money. Remember the ins. co, will let them know who is insured and who is not. Once they run their data base of the entire population against the data bases from the ins. companies they will know is insured and who is not. The rest is child’s play.

            • The best part is that even while this mess is in process they are working on an amnesty bill. They never stop hammering us. It is actually war on the regular people.

              • This is how bad they want votes…. there are NOT ENOUGH JOBS LEFT IN THE US to give citizens a job so they are going to let 15 million more people in and then, via chain migration, another 10 million or so. That aught to just about put us down to third world status when they are added to the already millions of legal immigrants without education there are already here.

          • So the real question is, Do we let this continue. The resistance needs to start TODAY! Preppin for shit hitting the fan is good, however, the people need to take action. I know I can count, and the hundreds of million working middle class out number the elitest million that think they run this country! This is a country that is supposed to be for the people! NOT THE GOVERNMENT! The time is NOW! If not now then WHEN?


            • But most will just sit down and die. I there just start it.

              Survive its death.
              Band together with surving preppers.
              Be ready for the truly hard work. Rebuilding.
              This is the easy times.
              The party hasn’t even started.

            • We just need to wait them out a little longer. When they start shooting it’s all self defense for us and God will be on our side. They are no longer nudging, they are shoving. They expected us to use guns long before this because they think we are as violent as they. Mark the time that they went to shoving and you can pretty much know how much more time you’ve got before they dust off their guns. Be ready but don’t initiate.

          • I don’t have “wages.”

            • most don’t. it is a term for government employee income.

              just look up 26 USC 3401a and start reading and learning how you’ve been being SCREWED ALL OF YOUR WORKING LIFE!!!

              when you see the definition of “employee”, the only possible “employer” is the government.

              • must have gotten thummed down by an IRS turdbag. THE TRUTH HURTS, HUH?

          • Yes BI, and when they come to collect (even if its relations) I will hang their bodies from my trees as an example. I will dig in and become their nightmare and their spouses and children will weep because of their arrogance.

            • Im not planning on digging in, am planning on being like a wisp of smoke,

              • But you currently geologically confined. An island is still an island.

                • Yea, it might be but i know guys who have evaded warrants and such for decades.

              • Or walk like a ghost in the woods in the Break of night.


                AS its inscribed on my ACOG : JN 8-12 ” I am the light of the world ; he who follows me will not walk in darkness , but will have the light of life”

                “Behold I will fulfil my words against this city for evil and not for good, and they shall be accomplished before you on that day. But I will deliver you on that day, says the Lord, and you shall not be given into the hand of the men of whom you are afraid . For I will surely save you and you shall not fall by the sword; but you shall have your life as a prize of war , because you have put your trust in me , says the Lord. ” Jeremiah 39: 16- 18

                IT’S GETTING SERIOUS

                PLAN , PRAY, PREPARE , FORM. TEAMS

                RESIST NO MATTER WHAT.

                Semper Fi 8541

            • I think WWIII should be fought in the Federal Reserve building, with major skirmishes in the white house and the U.N.

              The NSA, IRS and Homeland Security should be simultaneously droned out of existence, once and for all.

              NATO should be deployed on a humanitarian mission to save the lemmings, ordered to follow them over the edge if necessary, to preserve their numbers.

              Any bankster surviving the war front should be promptly hanged, to be sure there will be no new wars in the near future.

              • Go check out the Oathkeepers website if you actually want to get off your butt and do something. They are starting local, a grassroots movement. Way better than the 912ers, at least at this point.

                • screw the OK’s. they suck shit. just look at some of the recent videoed police beatings of mundanes, because they bust a nut bullying the innocent. yep, most of those sumbitchez are oathkeepers (NOT)

                  wish I never joined

                • ydntk, already on it, thanks.

          • BI… re: prohibited possessor… just might be the most “be informed” post you’ve typed.

          • I very rarely comment on here, but have been coming to this site for a couple of years and find the comment section on this site as informative as anywhwere on the ‘net. Don’t know if anyone caught this tonight, but in an interview with CNBC, Obama discussing the coming fight over the debt limit said “there’s a real chance of default, that’s a real concern.” Later Jay Carney said, “The Republicans are trying to collapse the world economy.”

            Meaningless rhetoric, or something else? Why would the Pres. say that?

            BI, I’ve read your comments here for a couple years, the earthquake data is fascinating. How big of concern is Fukishima? I’ve read some really scary articles. In two months they’re attempting to move the rods, sounds incredibly dangerous, but I have no real knowledge on the subject. Is it something to worry about in relation to other events?

            • PO’d in colorado— the President would say that to try and capitalize on the crisis…’Never let a good crisis go to waste”

              I think the Repubs are shooting themselves in the foot with this, and it is only serving to set up a HILLARY win in 2016….or whatever “Democrat” runs then.

              When this happened under Clinton the R’s lost a lot of seat I beleive.

              Pres is only playin the “blame game”

              Look at it like is doing a PSY-OP. WHen people start to hurt, and have been hearing all along it is because of the R’s………. well, you know the rest.

              I think both parties suck, and think they basically both have the same agenda now.


            • The SYSTEM DEPENDS ON GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND DEBT. That’s it….they could start right now today and spend $1 million per day toward the national DEBT. If we didn’t increase revenue, spending or borrowing it would take 389 years to pay it off.

              that’s the elephant in the room. The other thing it, that they have railed against corporations, the rich, ETC. but they have never once talked about how the fractional banking system, the US government, and the FED are slowing bankrupting this country.

              It’s not about the rich. We could take every cent they had and still not pay off the DEBT. It’s not about balancing the budget because we would still have the NATIONAL DEBT. It’s about borrowing and spending to keep the system going so the FED and central banks can syphon off more and more of our money. Inflation will hit hard, and soon, because of the money the FED has created out of thin air.

          • I’m with you on that one.

            Yes, in Canada we have socialized health care and our idea of medical insurance is to cover stuff like parts of the costs for prescriptions and dental, private hospital rooms and on-room TV. This way everyone has some kind of no-out-of-pocket healthcare available but out system could be made better should some competition be allowed. Our ER wait times are obscene and people can wait for months or even years for an MRI or surgery, even life saving ones.

            Hell, the only way I got timely MRI’s after I dislocated my shoulder (both times) was because the military was footing the bill and that put me at the front of the line.

            Are out taxes fairly high to pay for health care? Yes. However I do think our system is superior to the American one where on,y the wealthy or the completely broke can get comprehensive health care without going bankrupt, especially now that Obamacare is in place.

            • Did you need an MRI for a simple dislocation? 1st responders can reposition the shoulder joint with simple leverage techniques. People who have lax ligaments and spontaneously dislocate their shoulder or hip joints, learn to reposition them by themselves in an emergency.

              For a rotator cuff injury, I’m unsure even an MRI can do more than tell you that yep! You tore some muscle and ligaments and we are going to let it heal, advise use of ice and heat, send you to PT and make sure you stretch those ligaments and mobilize the joint. The worst case in this instance will come from adhesions due to immobility. The surgical fix creates more scar tissue, repositions attachments, creating new instabilities and stresses and can leave you with even less mobility.

              Just to point out that MRIs et al aren’t always needed. They can often be a profit point and in the US we have imaging businesses that set up in strip malls and operate like assembly lines. Simple orthopedic injuries have been successfully treated with stretching, heat, ice, contrast therapy (alternating heat and cold) and manual manipulation (chiro/PT) or massage for a long, long time.

              For preppers, it is a good idea to become acquainted with musculoskeletal anatomy and to understand human body mechanics. It will first of all keep us from having many initial injuries and allow us to know how to help each other and ourselves if we are injured. Perhaps finding a medical massage therapist to give some instruction to you, your family and/or your team would be helpful. Alternatively, finding a competent medical massage therapist, who are not covered by insurance in most states, will give you a health provider who is not reporting your records to the government. Just knowing how to lift and how to leverage your own body weight will be great knowledge when technological medical assistance is unavailable.

          • “””This is more than possible as this government is looking for any excuse to piss on the Constitution and then flush it down the toilet.”””

            The corp long ago flushed it. They are now trying to get the people to do it too.

          • BI
            Just a thought. How can they garnish your wages if you are already unemployed and not getting unemployment wages, on food stamps, Obullshit care, The banks have already stolen your house,
            I agree that they will try anything to cause the Great Nation to collapse.
            Maybe we should call him the Collapser in Chief!

          • Be Informed,
            The Constitution has already been pissed on flushed down the toilet. The republic as we once knew it is dead. We are now living in a soft core fascist police state. At least for the time being. The Shit has already hit the fan. There will be no “voting the bums out of office”, as elections are a meaningless joke. The magnitude of debt is such that it will never be paid off and it will destroy the dollar. TPTB and all the .gov, .mil and .LEO agencies already view the us/everyone else as “the enemy”. But then you already know this fact. The ONLY thing missing, is that one event which will allow them (TPTB) go after their enemies (That be us) with full force, fury and rage. It is coming. They will settle for nothing less that absolute total control over every aspect of our lives. Total domination. Antichrist Obama wants to be worshiped as a “god”.

      4. Just one more of many good reasons not to have a bank account excepting a small one for net purchases and a debit card,hell just have a prepaid card in car for $ emergencies,fucking banks we bailed out so they can screw the public even harder,the barter/cash economy just keeps getting more reasons to grow!

        • —————- IT’S ALL ABOUT BREATHING —————-
          Everyone thinks that Obamacare is about healthcare and that it is a Tax per (Supreme Court ruling) WRONG!

          Obamacare is actually a tax on oxygen. For breathing, and no one sees it.

          You do not have to have car insurance IF you choose not to buy a car.
          You do not have to have house insurance IF you choose not to buy a house with a mortgage.
          You do not have to pay property taxes if you choose not to own a house.
          You do not have to pay sales tax if you choose not to buy items that require a sales tax if purchased.
          You do not have to pay withholding tax if you choose not to work.
          And so on and so on…..
          And finally you do not have to pay for Obamacare tax if you choose not to….Breathe.

          When an individuals right to choose has been taken away, they are no longer a free person and they will for evermore be a slave to their societies masters until such time they either rise up and resist or no longer Breathe.
          Quote by; Ghostrighter

      5. Doesn’t anyone see this as a massive attempt at control? When the cost is equal to half your annual wages and they put a lien on your house, they will own you and the country. Off to the gulag. Now in plain sight you see…they want it all and will take it. Thank BHO Nancy and Harry…and the rest of the DC Kommies.

        • THANK THEM BY GIVING THEM THEIR OWN LENGTH OF ROPE—Hell, I’ll even tie the knot for them and help them get on the chair…

          • Bring the kicking boots.

            • …blindfolds are optional.

              • Naw no blindfolds I want to look these bassturds in the eye as they exit this world…I want them to see the contempt in mine…

                • Be prepare watching the last moments can be an interesting moment.

                  They hood is not for the one to be hanged Its for all that are that are watching the hanging.

      6. I posted this on the last article, but it is probabaly lost in the shuffle. Sorry for the repost, but I just want to reiterate:

        So let me get this straight, Those who voted for Romney are blaming those of us who did not vote for “the lesser of two evils” for this shit storm we are in?

        Well, let me just flip this shit. I campaigned hard for Paul, but, due to your lazy asses, I had two unacceptable choices on my ballot. I am pretty pissed at you bastards who settled for Romney and then want to flip the blame on me that Obama got into office.

        • I am no obama fan, but perhaps if your savior of a candidate romney would have been worth two shits, then the voters would have turned out in droves to get him elected. But as I said previously, when you are presented with the choice of a turd sandwich and a piss slurpy, then I guess not too many people are motivated to go out and make that choice.

          • Thank you.

        • Outlaw…. I also worked on Ron’s campaign but the reality is Ron, Rand, Cruz, etc.. have no chance of winning. By no chance I mean ZERO. The system is designed to give the perception of free election but is it truly free? No is not and that’s why we only had Romney Vs Obama as the only choice. Both of them basically were and are the same body with two heads just like Democrat and Republican parties. We don’t have a free election and each day we are moving toward a complete fascist state. Look at it this way…Obama was the ACE card for the elite decision makers. Why? Because he served both the Military Industrial Complex of the Republican party and the EBT supporting class of the Democratic party. Free election is an illusion. I hope I am wrong btw.

          • I hear ya Tactical, and this is exactly the point I am trying to make. Voting in this system/climate does NOT work. 90% of the repubs I talked to told me exactly that. They would vote for Paul, but he had no chance of winning, therefore they were not going to throw away their vote. So tell me, if 90% of repubs would have voted for Paul, except for the fact he had no chance of winning, how does voting help?

            • I would have voted for Ron Paul if he had been on the ballot. I don’t get a choice in the primaries. By the time I get to vote, most of the candidates have dropped out. So I have no choice. There’s never a choice in my area except in the Democrat primaries. I used to be registered Democrat just so I could screw with the primaries. I have voted for Jesse Jackson in the past.

              • Oughta have all primaries on the same day. The current system is Bravo Sierra to the max.

              • I wrote him in…

          • “If voting could really change anything, it would be illegal.”

        • I would say that it was actually a lot worse. The game was rigged and there is no way to win. Those that voted simply led their support to providing the illusion of “consent of the governed”

          Unless you pick a D or R for president, it would appear that it was considered a spoilt ballot. There would have been enough Paul supporters that wrote in for Paul but there does not appear to be any published tally for the write-in votes. In previous elections these write-in votes may have been in the noise level but a lot of the “missing” 9 million votes in 2012 had to be write-in votes.

        • Outlaw,

          I wanted to get Obama out of office so badly I voted for Romney. There simply were no other viable electable candidates running against this traitorous piece of excrement Obama. That’s just the reality.

          Yes, Romney was the lessor of two evils, but he never stated anything to my recollection that scared the living crap out of me like Obama did back in July 2008 when he called for the creation of a Civilian National Security Force! Even today I cringe at the thought.

          I hate having to settle for the lessor of two evils, but when Obama is the embodiment of self-deprecating, American loathing, class warfare, big government, anti-constitutional thinking, I’d be willing to vote for a green skinned alien who just landed here from Mars just to get Obama out of office.

          • YH, I have no hard feelings to people who, in good conscience, voted for Romney thinking it was their best viable choice.
            I do have hard feelings towards those whom voted for Romney and then place the blame of his loss on ones like myself, who could not in good conscience make that vote.

            • Outlaw,

              I have absolutely no issue with anyone who didn’t vote for Romney, as long as they didn’t vote for the Traitor In Chief Obama. At least you placed an intelligent vote to get Obama out of office. That’s all that matters to me.

              Our current socio-economic predicament is the end result of what happens when all political solutions have failed. People and moochers figuring out how to vote themselves other people’s money.

              What happens next even I don’t want openly speculate on, but it’s in the air. You can feel it.

        • You made a choice you chose NOT vote against Obama. I that lame excuse help you sleep. I vote for Ron Paul only because I knew Wa is a blue state because of king county try. If you truly counldnt get behind the anti Obama. Then you should written Paul as your vote.

          You just gave away one of your constitutional right. What next freely give up your guns. Might as well seeing what you think of your rights. When it isn’t going your way.

          • FBP, I do not vote AGAINST a candidate, I vote FOR a candidate. That is my right you keep referring to, the right to vote FOR a candidate of MY choosing. So please dont accuse me of throwing away a right to vote AGAINST a candidate. That is not a right, you are twisting words and being foolish. Our state does not allow right-in votes. And in total honesty I was turned away from the polling place, due to the fact I wore a RP shirt.
            As for you, you are an antagonist.
            Good luck with your plan to survive the death, while waiting for someone else to stand up that you can follow.
            Personally I don’t trust you enough, that I would want you to follow my lead.

            • I never said I would not lead. But walking up with a gun and start a firefight is a bad plan now.

              Also letting them completely have the voting process to themselves is a bad plan too.

              I decide to survive its death because I can count and I truly see how many Let say gun owners will actually stand to save the country. Many wont use there gun until it is at there front door. They will thin the gangs yes but they will die from lack of support.

              Leading is knowing when to fight and how.

              • antagonist Yes but you meant increatiable asshole. Yes I am.

        • Outlaw.

          You keep blaming Romney as well. We don’t know how he would have done because he was not elected. But we did get a 4 year experience of this one and put him back in. The Obamacare stuff was well known his first 4 years and it was something he was going to do when re-elected.

          So here we are.

          • Except we do know that Romney created the Massachusetts system that was used as a prototype for Obamacare. We already knew many of the problems with that system because they were happening in Mass. I do not think there would be any significant difference if Romney had been elected. On the health care issue, there is really no difference between Romney and Obama.

            • Well stated Merree.

            • That is why they were the two choices.
              It made no difference which one was elected because after you looked past their appearances, they were indistiguisable from one another.

      7. Ah Shit, I need more acreage to bury these fuckers on! That’s what its gonna take folks. I don’t care if its your next door neighbor’s son or your first cousin, and brother. If he lines up against you to enforce this horseshit, he or she’ll be drawin’ flies by supper time. And I ain’t fuckin’ kiddin’ neither.

        • The federal government ain’t got no business in the the health-care business. The EPA ain’t got no say in the environment. You mean to tell me that the EPA, which dictates law, which is not elected, but appointed to set laws for us to abide by…a handful of clueless sonsabitches (cover your ears dear maw) and tell you how to live? As in ‘Ol “Drinkin’ with Bob would say, ” Are you freakin’ kiddin’ me.”?

            • Apparently, with the TPP the tribal “elite” have decided to drop the pretense and fakery of elections and just admit their open control of the world.

              • John Q,
                I’ve heard utterings of this and didn’t pay much attention to it thinking it was just some go nowhere trade deal that wasn’t going to go anywhere.
                If this is so and it gets thru, there’s no way around it, there’s going to be one hell of a firefight. That is some pretty heavy shit.
                He’ll have to change his name to DUCK!!

              • If we make small loops, we can probably hang a dozen elites with 100 feet of rope…

                • if they all don’t fit, we can hold them at gun point until their turn comes up..

                • In their cases we wont be giving them the old favor of using a new rope on each of em…we will just have to go green and recycle that ole piece of hemp!

        • Damn that’s a good idea, rezone as a grave yard. I wonder how many we can get per acre? Oh what about mid rise mausoleum? That would allow us to stacked 12 to 16 high.

          • From what I hear in history class, you can get “6 million” on a postage stamp-sized lot.

            • Lol John. Good point.

              • John Q Public: is That whats called Fuzzy Math?

                Fuzzy Math explained: #1 begin with a grand Total of 13 Million.

                #2 allow 10 Million to escape

                #3 Whack 6 million

                #4 add in each of six times Prior, since 1895 up to-1945, six additional times of 6 million dead

                And your final grand total answer should be 13 million Total….IE:6+6+6+6+6+6+10+6 Equals 13!!! NOT 52!!!

                Yep they invented fuzzy Math too it seems! while every neocon and fox news blamed Klinton for fuzzy math!

                  • JQ, I’ve never put a lot of stock in the Jew thing til recently. I thought they were just ordinary average criminals doing what criminals do.

                    The tipper for me was when I realized the participants of the War on Terror are openly promoted as Christians vs Muslims.

                    It’s typical bankster operations. Start a “war” between your biggest competition, carefully leaving yourself out of it. Are the Jews somehow immune to “terrorist attacks”, thus not considered a target?

                    Therefore it is obvious that banksters are the “Jews” that have foresaken God and broke their covenant to ally with Satan.

                    Not all Jews, but the ones who control the paper money schemes. There is something to the Jew thing, but it is still a mistake to say that all Jews are involved.

                    But the war today is certainly not Christian vs Muslim. It is the World vs the Satanic Jews.

                  • Correct, correct and double correct JQP!! Double thumbs up. Most americans are in total denial about this.

                  • @ God’s Creation

                    The economy has made many people awaken from their coma.

                    Just to be clear, I never said “all.”

                    Prosecute and punish the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

            • John Q. Public ….. Amen. So true John. Darn…..wish it was 12 million.

              • Tactical, John Q, Gods Creation, etc.

                Bless all of you who have the guts to stand up and call it what it is.

                For anyone wanting info on why the first, second, and third world war was fought and will be fought I suggest they go to “threeworldwars.com.

                For anyone left wondering here is a letter from Albert Pike (look him up if you want to know more about him) and Mazzini way back when about why the world would have three world wars:

                The first world war was to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and to make the country a fortress for atheistic communism…..

                The second world war must be formented by taking advantabe of the differences between Facists and political Zionists. It must destroy Nazism and political Zionism must be strong enough at that time to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. International communism must be strong enough to balance Christendom, which will be held in check UNTIL THE TIME WE NEED IT FOR THE FINAL CATACLYSM.

                And now for the third world war:

                The third world war must be formented by taking advantage of the difference caused by the ‘AGENTURS OF THE ILLUMANATI’ between POLITICAL ZIONISTS AND THE LEADERS OF THE ISLAMIC WORLD.

                The war will be conducted in such a way that ISLAM (the Moslem Arab world) and political Zionist (the State of Israel) will mutually destroy each other–

                Meanwhile the other nations once more will be divided on this issue and will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual, and ECONOMIC exhaustion.

                We shall unleash the Nihilists and the aethieists, and we shall PROVOKE Aa social CATACLYSM WHICH IN ALL ITS HORROR will clearly show to the nations the effect of total aetheism, origin of the savagery and of the most BLOODY TURMOIL. Then everywhere the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without COMPASS OR DIRECTION; anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, they will receive the true LIGHT through the true manifestation of LUCIFER (the Devil), brought finally out in public viet.

                This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement that will follow the DESTRUCTION OF CHRISTIANITY and atheism, both conquered and destroyed at the same time.

                Editors note:

                Since the terror attacks of 9/11 world events and in particular growing unrest and instability between modern Zionism and the Arabic world. This is completely in line with the call for a third world war to be fought between the two sides and their allies on both sides. The third world war is still to come and recent events show us it is NOT FAR OFF.

                My comment:

                Pikes vision of what was to happen to the world has surely followed a true course. Look him up and see that all of this was foretold long, long ago.

                His version (apparently with the help of the devil) of WW3 follows pretty close what the Lord tells us is the devils plan in Revelation…

        • @PO d:

          time to acquire a backhoe.

          …those with no gun dig, those with guns watch, now dig…

          ….regards from CommieCali…….BA.

          • BA are you aimin’ that at me? Im’, fallin’ over guns here and as far as “spine” its as stiff as a honeymoon prick. As well as enough heart to get done what needs doin’. Do you feel me?

            • Ah shee-it! I thought you were callin’ into question my backbone. Sorry ‘ol boy, jumpy is all…. Trying to get things done, busy with work….. I apologize, you said “backhoe” and my tired eyes saw “backbone”. Been up since 3:30am. I’m done. nighty-night.

              • @PO d:

                My response was to your comment about needing more land for the bodies. I referred to the backhoe so as to dig deeper holes.

                I never intend to disrespect my Brothers.

                Only trolls.

                No harm, no foul……..regards.

                ….aim small….miss small…..my Brother…BA.

                • Traitors do Not deserve to be burried on usa lands. I rather use the same plan of the parable “Wheat and Tares(weeds)” IE: at the proper time the tare weeds are to be Uprooted, then Cast Into the Same fire as the fruit tree pruned dead branches get burned to ash in.

                  You Reep what you Sow means what type seed planted is what grows later right? So what do we get if we Plant dead Traitors? Probobly we will later again get more traitors from the dead ones we Planted.

                  I vote to toss em all into the Fires! Not much of anything can grow from ashes.

                  I do not even need close my eyes to see a Vision every day when I think of all evils traitors are doing to america…That vision I see every day is Massive Huge Piles of DEAD traitor folk, with Flames and Smoke so high it almost reaches Gods Nostrils up in Heaven.

                  Sometimes the vision is just a remaining small ash heap that can be dumped into the oceans so as to not have any trace left to harm american soil again.

        • Set up a business recycleing, all we need are tumling kiln and a grinder to turn the bones into bone meal and blood and organs into blood meal were going to need fertilizer from some source,
          Waste not want not!

        • @PO’d Patriot

          Just stack the bodies in peoples yards that still have Obama or Romney bumper stickers on their cars.

        • PO’d Patriot,

          Loud applause from liberty’s acre. You’ve got a backbone as big as a telephone pole.

          If enough people stand with you, even though we’ll all be standing alone, when enough thugs go home in body bags the rest of them will decide they’d really rather be flipping burgers.

          Then let the statist political vermin enforce their decrees in person.

          They’re going to fine us X They’re going to lien Y? They’re going to penalize us Z if we don’t do what we’re told?

          That’s ultimately why we have a Second Amendment.

          Some people on this site have or had superb tactical skills. They have the training and experience I’ll never have.

          I have no illusion about how long I”d live acting on this.

          Dying isn’t the worst thing. Living by licking their boots is far worse.

          On YT check out The Katyn Forest Massacre and the Holmodore (deliberate NKVD starvation that murdered millions of Ukrainians).

          I will defend my liberty, defend what is rightfully mine, no matter who they send against me.

          Molon Labe … come and take them … means the same thing on my front lawn that it meant at Thermopylae

          And to that troll a few threads back, “IRS Agent” who said he’d be seeing us soon and we would comply … come on shit stain. One on one. Just you and I.

          • If they try a Katyn Forest again here in usa, they won’t again be able to blame german nazis for it like they did the orig one. Recent decalssified KGB records long sealed, Proves it was Bolshevik jewish russian kommies that did Katyn and mass murdered about 26,000 Polish police and military officers and all of the ones too intelligent to communize.

            Thats what they mean by “Kill even the Best of the Gentile goyim”

            I wonder When MSM TV will do an hour long expose special to absolve the nazis and german folks of wrongly being accused of Katyn Forest deaths for he past 60 yrs?

            Maybe Wolf Blitzerboy can do the voice over and Tell the World the Real Truth of who did it!

            Finestien, Bloomberg and Schumer can go Live to Katyn Forest, and point out to viewers the exact spot their Grandparents and Parents mass murdered, than Hid all those bodies. And then explain Why they so desperatly desire to Disarm all of Us folks!

      8. Like I told everyone in 2008 if you think healthcare is expensive now just wait till it’s free!!! Well only an idiot would think they were doing to get something for nothing. Oh that’s right I have family that thought that. Because I still love them, I’ll call them in the morning with a warning.

        Stupid is as stupid does. The American idiots that elected this moron have screwed us all.

        • You got that right, Patriot One.

          The issue of providing health care for the poor and the “unable to afford” crowd, is just a sugar coating on a massive cover-up of “control and invasion of privacy”.

          Why else would there be a need for all the thousands of pages of documents that are now determined to be the “law of the land”?

          It’s in the wording and the legalized BS where the average citizen can’t get to the bottom line. No worries mate, they will tell you, just like they did the guy in the article above; Once you sign up for the application, they have you by the balls and there is no getting away from it. You are in their NSA system and they will use the “Unaffordable Care Act” to make you dance to their tune.

          It takes a fool to sign up for something that was pushed upon Americans by an “Un-Constitutional vote”. The sheeple still believe it will be in their best interest in the end. Dead wrong. It will bring about the end.

          • I always wondered why they would not just publish the grid rates by zip code or territory. Now we know, once they have your info your screwed.

            All the health insurance agents are screwed too because a navigator doesn’t need a insurance license to transact the business of insurance and is paid per application. They don’t care if you get coverage they just want the application fee.

      9. Goodbye America. It was nice while it lasted. I just hate that your downfall was overwhelming liberalism/socialism.

        • If Hobammys Navigators is Code for, Affirmative Action Quotas. Then most new hire navigators will consist of african ghetto dwellers and illeagle mexicans that cannot speak english.

          After a full years time, the words Fucked Up Totally! Won’t even come Close to describing the real situation of new hobammycare in usa.

      10. I would not be surprised if they threaten to take your first born child.

        Yet again, the uninformed American citizen has been duped by the regime. If it is not true now, it will be eventually. This may end up being the dear leader’s waterloo.

        • They already do. And your second born. And your third born. And so forth. It’s called CPS and they can very easily use them as their enforcers if you refuse to go with the program.

          Here in Ontario the Children’s Aid Society is anything but. That and they are a private entity, funded by taxpayer money, they have no standards, no oversight and they have been known to stall or even ignore compliance with court orders they don’t like. And they like using the cops as their muscle and they have to go along with it, unless officers want to be threatened with having their kids taken. Oh, and CAS can go and take kids at school unless you present your kids’ school with a yearly no-contact order.

          They can speak to your kids without your consent or presence and ANY resistance they encounter is met with the immediate threat of an “apprehension order”.

          I can’t speak to every jurisdiction but I doubt these people are much different anywhere. There are a few good apples in that crowd but they are few and far between.

          So really, I can see Obama ordering CPS action against any who refuse to comply with Obamacare.

          • To add to this, their definition of abuse is pretty broad and anything can constitute abuse. Owning guns, giving your kids chores, being a Libertarian and not liking Obama, homeschooling… The list goes as far as your imagination.

      11. Molon Labe.


        • III%

      12. Peoples.

        This whole thing of health care is about confiscation. The illegal immigrant owns nothing, thus he is ok. Many Americans own their homes, some land, life insurance, mutual funds, etc.

        The American that has an under-water mortgage could be in better shape than the responsible ones that paid their notes each month and have ownership.

        You cannot confiscate debt, but you can assets.

        An wealth estimate of all Americans with some form of ownership is around $50T.

        Can anybody guess how the Govt is going to pay some of its debts and annual pension bills?

        • You may be right. I don’t know what I could do about it. I don’t know if there’s anything TO do.

        • They can only confiscate assets if they can find them.

          Of course, I don’t have any at all.

        • For every dollar they steal from me Im going to take thousands out of them…for every dollar of damage they cause me Im gonna cost them thousands…for every drop of blood… theyre gonna shed buckets…this aint funny anymore not that it ever was…the point is its time to make em hurt…we tried to live and let live…we tried to live at peace with them…aint possible anymore…time to render unto ceasar a pile of pain…make em pay!

      13. Boy, like we never saw that coming.

      14. Considering the state we are in, this will be the resume of the future…

        Then I worked in the woods as a lumberjack, but I just couldn’t hack it, so they gave me the ax.
        After that I tried to be a tailor, but I just wasn’t suited for it, mainly because it was a sew-sew job.
        Next I tried working in a muffler factory, but that was too exhausting.
        Then I tried to be a chef, I figured it would add a little spice to my life, but I just didn’t have the thyme.
        I attempted to be a deli worker, but any way I sliced it, I couldn’t cut the mustard.
        My best job was being a musician, but eventually I found I wasn’t noteworthy.
        I studied a long time to become a doctor, but I didn’t have any patience.
        Next was a job in a shoe factory I tried, but I just didn’t fit in.
        I became a professional fisherman, but discovered that I couldn’t live on my net income.
        I managed to get a good job working for a pool maintenance company, but the work was just too draining.
        So then I got a job in a workout center, but they said I wasn’t fit for the job.
        After many years of trying to find steady work I finally got a job as a historian, but there was no future in it.
        My last job was working at Starbucks, but I had to quit, because it was always the same old grind.

        Sorry old joke, but it shows where this country is going.

        • How about the guy who went to work for the town seweage department, but then his shit didn’t pan out.

      15. We’re all dumbf*cks, really. You, you, you, yeah – you way in the back, you over there, over there and over there. Yeah, me too.

        The system isn’t ‘broken’. The system is gone. There is no system. If you’re not in the upper reaches of DC bureaucracy you’re hosed. No matter whether you ‘own’ your property, have a 1000lbs of gold, no matter what.

        Want things to change? Then we need to crack open the 4th box and get this show on the road. All the moron’s that think ‘we’ll get ’em in ’14!!’ are living a fantasy.

        Open the 4th friggin’ box and T-Rex it….’get it on’.

        We should be seeing like minded folks mustering in the state capitols by the thousands every week and when TPTB finally can’t take it and open up on us then we reply in kind.

        The show’s over.

        • I ready where do we meet I will follow your lead. Forward march.

          • I’ll be happy and proud to join you. where do we meet?

            • I started in the Pacfic northwest many years ago.

              • F.B.
                I’ve got the Midwest covered.

      16. Obozocare startup, Obozocare funding battle, debt ceiling battle coming in about 15 days, truckers strike planned, WWII vets pushing the envelope to get to THEIR memorials under threat of arrest.

        Can’t imagine who would be torquing down the tension to create a crisis to good to waste.

        October is just going to be full of more surprises than tricks and treats.

        Stay safe all.

        • Yuuuup, next weekend might get her going. Just let some ole wwll vet get hurt by one of O’bummer’s thugs !!!

      17. Best news ever. Keep the Gov’t shutdown. With the exception of a very few Constitutional demands all Paid Goberment employees have a lot in common with their Goberment welfare recipients in that they’re all been thieving from us hard working, taxpaying, Patriotic US citizens for more than 60 years now. Obummer-care is a new tax that the sheeple don’t understand or comprehend and how it will ruin them financially or how it takes away their freedom of choice, so Who do the fake jews think their kidding?!

        • Perfect til the last words.

        • Marcus:

          Who and what is a “fake jew”?

      18. I don’t keep more than $100 in the bank at any time. the rest of my money is kept in a safe at home [private banking. most of my transactions are cash. If anyone tries to take anything from me, they have to get past Bertha first. She’ll be loaded with 00 buck waiting for any troublemakers. MOLON LABE WOLVERINES braveheart

        • Braveheart:
          Did you get some more toys, and other things at the Gun Show?

          • Howdy, Sarge. sorry to be so late. I picked up some more shells for “Bertha” plus a few other odds and ends. Didn’t have enough money for everything that interested me, but that’s OK; I got what I needed the most. braveheart

      19. Nothing more than having that “Jack Boot” against your neck.

        Going to get more interesting each day.

        • Everybody will have to get use to dying.

          Can’t live forever, you know.

          But you can live longer if you can afford it.

          • Dying is no way to make a living (Eastwood)

        • Second that.

          It’s going faster than I thought now. I expected a nice slow decline into England west but it looks like we may be going further into full on tyranny.

          It’s so sad when you think what the USA was and could still be, but it’s not going to happen; the USA has a decade of dark days in front of it the way it is going.

      20. Slingshot, before the POS wearing that “jack boot” can get on your neck, he’s got to be able to make physical contact with you and get you on the ground in the right position. There are ways of preventing that. In my case, they have to get past “Bertha” loaded with 00 buck. She’ll say, ‘oh no you don’t’. MOLON LABE WOLVERINES braveheart

        • Bravehart ,
          Or at least a razor sharp K-Bar.

          Semper Fi 8541

          • Don’t forget your M1 Garand. Always sling 4 bandoleers with the rest in secure caches.

            Semper Fi

        • Lol, love the name you picked for your shotty BH! “Bertha”

          • Howdy, Outlaw. I also have some other items for “ventilation”. “Bertha” is the best for CQB, but I do have something else for long-range threats. Night breaker, I just happen to have a K-Bar and some other knives as well. I do collect knives to some degree. braveheart

      21. Was visiting Zion National Park, Utah when the shutdown happened. You have never seen so many disappointed Orientals when their busses were turned away. This is going to have a terrible impact on our relations with other countries and give our tourist industry a bad rep. Why did the EBT cards and welfare still get paid when our hard working park people got furloughed?

        • They were all ready funded 2009 yes 2009 and state money.

      22. OK. Not trying to ruffle any feathers here, but I’m calling BS on the article. Not that I think the IRS couldn’t confiscate, garnish and harass they can and probably will. It’s just the system is full of glitches and I don’t believe anyone got a detailed email from some bureaucrat detailing these penalties. It’s hogwash boys and girls. JMHO, but I bet I’m right.

      23. The IRS accessing a private checking/savings account, and taking funds they think a taxpayer owes them is nothing new. Unfortunately, that has been going on for a long time.

      24. You are free to do as you are told or free not to, that is your freedom in our democratically elected police state run by fascist.
        Patrick Henry said it best, Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

      25. Ya think Obamacare will give rise to an American Spring?

        • Yes Larry, I think it will! People won’t be able to afford Osamacare and that will get people up off their asses!
          Pardon my french…..

          • No most will roll o er and take it or die.

            • FB
              I hope you are wrong, but you are more that likely right.
              How can the role overs look their kids or grand kids in the face?

              • They wont there face will be in the dirt there boys will be scripted and there daughter will be bent over the nearest log.

              • ‘Cause they’re cowards and commies, mostly.

          • What many thought would be free or low cost will balloon to prices they can not afford. Most Doctors will retire. Some have put up signs and information to the problems of OBAMA CARE. I have read them and it is not good.

            At this point we should do what we have to do for ourselves and family. I would say that those who have brought this crap to the dinner table, choke on it.
            Myself, I am not doing anything. Why? Because the Dumbasses are going to do it for me. They will riot and do the things we talk about here. Why again?
            Because that is what they do, when you get things for nothing and believe the lies.

            Why do we stay calm and in control. We have a better picture of what is going down and are NOT STUPID.

            They wanted it and they will get it. Let them go to the camps first. Save our resources for when the fight really begins.

        • Not until the stomachs go hungry. The first spring in Tunisia started due to the price of bread and the fact that a Taxi driver set himself on fire.

          • Tactical.

            I’ll tell you Tac. I think mowing the grass is going to get me first before any of those NWO troops do.
            Stuff grow two inches a night.

            Anyhow we all have notice the puzzle pieces coming together. More like domino’s. Rising interest rates. Dollar inflation. Obamacare. National Debt. Electrical Grid Check. Police more like Military.
            We pay attention to what happens in the States and stuff is really happening overseas. Iran, Israel and Africa. There are many countries in the commodities game and play chess with the dollar. Everyone is forming alliances.
            In the end somebody is going to go hungry that has not experienced that before in their lives. Radiation either solar or man made. A plant virus, draught, rain or hail.
            Until then, we wait.

        • Larry, I think it will be an American Winter instead, the way things are shaping up. I don’t think we have until spring.

      26. MAX BAUCUS – MT


        the FREEMEN PATRIOTS of Montana are looking forward to our dear u.s. senate leader and creator / author of ‘ObummerEugenicsDeathCare’ (NEO-CON AND AMERICAN TRAITOR) Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) retiring next year in 2014.

        can’t wait to see you max.

        come home to Montana max … we miss you.



        • Max is Jewish? He is another retread that needs a new job under Omamas desk.

        • Welcome back NinaO!!!

        • New ISP I see.

        • Jeopardy question: Do we have more Zionist Jews with dual citizenship focusing 100% on AIPAC agenda Vs the interest of the country and American People or blood sucking leaches in everglades?

          • Tactical:

            Now is the time for the ‘red thumbers’ to get to vote for the “everglades”……

            • POG. Good point. LOL.

        • M.O.M.

          I love your post on Baucus. The last time I saw his ugly face on tv he looked like he had been drinking too much for too long.

          Trying to drown his guilt with booze. Just another creature from hell. Can’t wait till he gets his.

      27. Hey everybody!

        I think NinaO is back.

        Oh, Yeaaaaaaaaah.

        • Yeah, I’d recognize that incoherent ranting anywhere.

        • Yeah, that sounds like NinaO. Didn’t always agree with him, but he sure knows how to make this site lively.

        • New isp

        • Is NinaO on parole? Just kidding ya!! Howdy!

      28. Woo woo. Woo woo. Hope you guest my name.

      29. Obama & Obamacare are just karma for 8 years of Bush & Rep/Con’s abject failure to protect the Homeland on 9/11,the lie of WMD,the loss of American lives in 2 unfunded wars & future cost to care for wounded American soldiers.

        Breaking Rumor! the House of Republicans/Tea Party are going to fund the VA with a Trillion dollars to make sure our brave American soldiers have the very best care.

        BTW.Any Rep/Con Tea that receives any form on govt. assistance paid for by my tax dollar of which I don’t receive the same benefit is nothing but a Big Govt. Redistribution Socialist.

        • Saying Obama/Obamacare is karma payback is saying I deserve punishment for somebody else’s actions. I didn’t ever vote for Clinton — didn’t ever vote for Bush — didn’t ever vote for Obama. I voted whomever I believed could fill the shoes….none of which were the above….and weren’t aligned most of the time with either party. Obama and Bush both earned their own sins…and nobody I know deserves that karma.

          Bush evilly created 9/11…no doubts about it. Obama created Libya’s downfall and now Syria — those sins are his.

          It was said that towards the end, Satan would be loosed upon the land…well, you’ve already met two of his sons, George and Barry.

      30. What can I say…
        We’ve been taken over by commies and socialists.

        Everyone is too old, fat, lazy and addicted to TV and junk food to do anything.
        The fluoride just keeps us all numb.

        At any rate..
        Just keep stacking silver.
        When you are old…you’ll be glad you have it.
        it’s real…God made it and they cannot print it and the device you are reading this on uses silver. Magify this by billions of future devices being made and you just know the price of silver will go up.

        The banks, China and Russia are sucking up the worlds gold and silver supply.
        That means a unilatral default is coming…

        Then they will restart their currencies…electronic transactional tax.

        Ironic..we used to enslave the black man..now we are all slave to one.

      31. Don’t be afraid, the gov isn’t going to come for your 95 dollar fine. It’s not Obama-care it the affordable care act. Yeah I’m a gun toting, tree hugg’n liberal with a family and some conservative views. Don’t fit me in any box bitches. Healthcare is a right! Most people that comment on the affordable care act don’t even know what the hell it is they are supposed to not like about it.

        So remember AFA is good. Gun toting, tree hugging liberal with a family and some conservative view…and a registered nurse that takes care of all sorry asses that complain about the frigg’n afa law but have no money to pay for their care because they don’t work and never will oh and they’re straight up asshole republicans anyway…says so.

        • Have you hugged your tree today? Never was much of an environmentalist myself (at least not the modern definition of the word) but I always liked the redwoods in Calif. Sadly, those suckers are way too big to get my arms around, so I couldn’t hug them. I did whisper sweet nothings into their branches though… hope they liked it.
          As for health care being a right? I think you lost me on that one. Who bestows that right? And who guarantees it? Not trying to be sarcastic, these are honest questions. Your answer would be appreciated.
          And I’d never try to put you in a box- not even a recycled one. 🙂





            Nina just brings it out in me. But I still mean it as I said it.

            • FBP, excellent points.

            • WHO is NinaO ???

              ;0p pssszzt

              • Hahahahahaha!

              • m.o.m. is the word…

                and he was right about that fuck baucus except I think he is a fucking neo-commie globalist.

                fuck globalism and the zionists…and let God sort it out.

              • Howdy, NinaO.

              • A narcissist that hijacks every thread and a boing dullard.

          • You may loosely say that “health care” is a sub part of the Right to Life(except if you are unborn). Liberty bestows all sorts “Rights” that the “lefties” keep trying to take from me. My pursuit of “Happiness” is firmly intrenched in doing everything a “lefty” believes hurts their “mother earth”. I especially love the “lefties” from PETA. I think of them every time I fire up the barbie.

            • Russia Just Arrested a bunch of Greenpeace enviro loons. They tried to again climb up onto a russian Artic Oil platform and got arrested. Russia is proescuting them for terror acts or something.

              Greenpeace uses a Massive Diesel motors ship thats larger than those alaskan crab boats! To protest use of all forms energy, especially if from Oil.

              Nice to see somebody finally arrest them idiots. All those type libs are hypocrits. Every enviro whack job group like greenpeace makes use of gas or diesel motor vehicles or planes or busses to go attend every such protest.

              They Are the new type Kommies today. “Watermelons” Green on Outside and all RED on inside! Watermelons=Kommies.

              Libs and kommies always must keep Reinventing themselves once folks get wize to their swindles and scams.

              Last time greenpeace was in the news they were shown useing their Huge boat/ship to Ram and sink licenced whale fishermen. As if They got a right to decide who can fish or drill oil eh. Then destroy a million dollar boat honestly worked and paid for without regard to if anyone drowns in the process!

              I hope the bastards recieve Long Prison terms in Russian jails!….RT tv news had the story and they archive it at RT dot com site.

              Rt has a couple good expose documentary videos online on various scams in India and Major Pill maker co’s too.

              And a few documentary videos on USA southern folks woes etc. No other major tv news seems to have such info.

          • Freedom is a right but this country had years of slavery and oppression. Safety is a right…if you need the police how quickly will they come (your taxes pay for that hope). If a 27 year old gets run over by someone texting and racks up 40-50 thousand dollars in overpriced medical attention, then goes through medical bankruptcy…who’s that benefiting? We are one of the only countries where medical bankruptcy is a daily doing. It ruins and it’s wrong.
            If FDR had of lived just a little longer healthcare for all would be a law and it was in his second bill of rights. Who says there can only be one? Who is the absolutist on rights? What if your ability to call 911 when you need it was tied to your ability to pay, to your works 911 insurance plan? Nope can’t call 911 for help don’t have the money or the coverage. This country whether you want to admit it or not is moderate and left leaning and only a thin line of issues..are the issues, and this is the latest and greatest. We are well over due for the right of guaranteed health care in the greatest country on earth, the country that takes care of it’s own. I did not hug a tree today however. I did take care of plenty of people in the emergency room. 70% of the people I took care of do not have health insurance and the hospital will eat the bill, lose money, lay off more people, and raise prices. Yup this is working great the way it is. Thanks for listening.

            • Smoopa.
              Let explain to you that your tax dollars are not for what cops do. But is for what they may be called upon to do. Like take a life or give up their life.
              Coming to your house because you have a dog in your yard, or the kids got into a fight with the neighbors kid, This is just something we do to keep the peace. Non rank Police officer just make just slightly above what the poverty rate is. If you think that is enough money for taking a life or giving up your life there is something wrong!!! The ones that make the money are the ones that become political and are Chiefs and Sheriffs. I can say that there are some of the guys and gals that are not political and are good guys. But they won’t last long. TPTB will find out a way to get rid of them.
              Again Obullshit care is a FRIGGING TAX!!! If you think for one second that tax is freedom you are as uniformed as most of sheeple out there.
              Where in the hell do you see freedom out of someone take your hard earned money and giving it to someone else. WTH.
              It looks like we are going to disagree on this. So be it, but keep blogging back so I can see your side even though I think you are wrong, but it makes me think!

        • Healthcare is not a right you dumbass.

        • Health care is a right if YOU PAY FOR THE DAMN THING. If you want me to pay for your health care and not enough money to pay for my or my kids health care. YOU CAN STICK IT RIGHT UP YOUR (I’ll be nice) WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE!!!!

        • Smoopa
          Dumby its not a right it is a TAX!!! The US Supreme Court said so!!!!!!!

        • No one has a right to anything besides those God given ones that they did not earn for themselves…PERIOD!

      32. I hope they really do this,
        I say go ahead,
        Lets party like its 1776

        • In my little Red Corvette.

      33. Bad news on the door steps I couldn’t take one more step.
        Good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing; This’ll be the day that
        I die.


        • Sorry I think I will stick around I may have a few sudprice left in me to give out.

      34. This is off topic, but I have to vent. O closing the wwll memorial is totally f&?%# up. I take is very personal. Threating to arrest 90+ year old vets, who put their lives on the line for this country. This will be trouble if he follows through. The proverbial starw. It’s Comming folks. Obama’s total disregard for what is near and dear to the descendants of wwll vets . Just let some old vet get hurt over this!!!!

        • The veterans had to be escorted around by an Iowa Congressman, who will do so every day of the shutdown.

          Good for him.

          And good for the vets for knocking the barricades aside and going in.

          • That is true. Was at Va today. Make you see his true motive before feeling prowd

        • let him keep fucking up,, its his own grave hes digging.

          not many people take lightly, poor treatment of our vets
          yet it happens daily, but from the prez? if that doesn’t tell you what kind of slime ball this parasite on our republic is, than theres no hope for public awakening

          they want this controversy , they want this unrest, they want this confusion..because people what were in right now is the “cloud of war”..

          our government has been taken over, we are and have been at war within this country, and its slowly ramping up.
          wars don’t start with one big bang usually.. they gain speed and ferocity at a steady rate as it ramps up.

          people who don’t see it think they start with a bang, because that’s the moment they realize its for real and in their face and they can no longer deny it or they become a victim to it..but in all reality for most folks is its been going on already right in front of their faces they just didn’t recognize it.

          maybe while the government is shut down, we should open up shop and change the players.

      35. So…When are some of you idiots going to stop complaining and start shooting or derailing this beast? I read a lot of talk here and other sites, but not a single person has joined any SERIOUS groups yet and sworn loyalty till death.

        As for those of us who began on the borders, we are now into planning and execution modes, but we number only a score. Given all the bravado on the web, we should be hundreds of thousands by now. So, either put up or shut up and take your master’s whip. Either FIGHT or bend over!

        • I agree there should be 100 million all ready line up how people talk.

          I not to proud to admit some one will have to start the fire works for me to join that path.

          As sated I will survive its dead. And belejve it is coming. Many have there own plans.

          But you are right many arm care Rambos.

          But beware there are breaking points that are starting to be breached. So maybe just maybe we will get the fireworks.

          Bloodbath for sure but at least the one ways some can go out standing instead of sleeping.

        • J Gibbs.

          I cannot speak for others, but most of our chat is on a defense mode not an offense one. By defense, I mean defending what you have for the trouble days coming. Like food storage and where to put your finances etc.

          In reality, of the 330 million people in USA only about 3-5 million have any kind of clue of what is going on. That is why Dems re-elected everyone of their cronies and we did try differently thru a Tea Party.

          We have one hope and that is 2014. If the senate can get away from Dem hands then we can have a lame-duck president. We really need that.

          People are slowly awakening. Just keep informing folks and don’t lose hope. We are the Paul Revere’s of today’s America.

          • What if they had an election and no republican voted?

            • slingshot.

              Just put it this way. Imagine life after Nov 2014 if this POTUS gets more power.

              We stopped Hillarycare in 94.

              The Senate has done nothing but junk. The Dems have controlled it since 2006. If people like that, then we will get what we have been talking about for years.

            • The Ad on TV says if you have an Election that lasts longer than 4 hrs seek medical help pronto!

          • I may actually vote Democrat. Let them have it all for a bit. Our system will fail sooner rather than a slow bleed til death. Let’s get it started already. This is taking it’s toll on me nightly now. Watching all of these scumbags turn yellow and whiz on themselves. Disgusting. It is unbelievable what the media and Dems get away with and the dumbass citizens of the USA don’t even care. Wow!

        • You are right about a lack of commitment, lots of Internet cowboys here. I’m hoping this ship can be righted without extraordinary action, but I doubt it.

      36. the insurance companies paid 400 million dollars for the media to spread disinfo

        • 60 million. How number grow. The truth had just as much as your exaggeration.

      37. This article from Paul Joseph Watson is an outright LIE. Using scare tactic to have people sign up.
        The website was shut down on Monday, Oct. 01. And nobody will be fined for $4,000.00. Infowars has never been reliable for anything and now they’re just proving it again.

        The requirement is for the year 2014, and the sign up deadline has not been established yet.

        Boehner is still working in negotiations with Dems since Dems control the White House and the Upper house.

        Boehner’s said “OBAMA REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE”, and the main(ex)stream media are spreading lies & blames Boehner although Democrats have the entire year to work on the budget.


        Boehner is probably working by himself, and he is against a dynasty of bankers 🙁 who have been doing this since the time of Christ.

        The tea party leaders are waiting for Boehner to fail, so they can take his job. 🙁

      38. The time for talking and peaceful discourse is over because if the other side was interested it could have been a reality.

        This is going to be settled in bullets and gunsmoke lots of blood and tears.

        Ready your Six.

        • Just waiting patiently.

          Bought and stored some useful items a few years ago.

          I am going to zero them tomorrow.

          “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

      39. This story is full of a bunch of BS. I think obamacare is as much a train wreck as the next guy –
        But the law makes no provision for the IRS to take any action to seize assets except to withhold the amount of the penalty (1% of MAGI or $95) per person which ever is greater – if there is a refund due. Otherwise they can’t do anything about it.

        Then again expecting the IRS to obey the law is a whole other issue.

        When people purposely spread misinformation it only serves to weaken the legitimate argument that this law really is a mess.

        • Another option may be that the company running the program where this guy is, gets paid by the victim.

          Not a stretch to imagine them lying to this guy to coerce him to sign up.

        • I think things changed greatly when John Roberts upheld and altered the law on his own by making it a “tax”. Now it is subject to the same reules of enforcement as if you refuse to pay your income taxes. Watch and see their stance, esp when they realize how they get no revenue from the broke-ass bitches that are the only ones signing up for this shit.

      40. I would like to see a screen shot of the actual email stating that the IRS will put a lien on our homes.

      41. That post looks made up, but the facts behind it are real. I’m one of the half-dozen idiots who actually read over half of the law. (Reading and commenting on contracts used to be part of my job, so I figured I could handle it. Halfway was all I could stand.) The business about the law requiring access to your bank account(s) was in there, but not one major new outlet said anything.

        The IRS does horrible shit to people every day, “guilty until proven innocent” is the rule. If you don’t, or can’t, pay the “tax”, they’ll come and take everything you have, and it’ll cost you twice what they take to pay enough lawyers to get any of it back.

      42. This is perfect.
        Now they are going to put a lien on your bank account! This is just another attempt to crash the banking system. This will happen sometime after Jan. 2014 and a bunch of bank accounts get stolen. This will cause a bank run, Causing the banking system to collapse! When that happens a short time later nothing gets trucked into the Citys. Then the food riots start. Then TPTB will have to call in the national guard, and then when they won’t leave their familys because they are not safe and they are not getting paid. King Oblabla with get to declare Marshall Law. That is when the real trouble starts. When Marshall Law is declared. King Oblabla will then get to have his Brown shirts go to work, We will fight back, and then here comes the Blue Helmets. Most of them are all ready here. Why do you think they bought all that ammo, armored vehicles, and all sorts of Eastern Block weapons (AK47) Ak mags and 7.62×39 ammo along with 7.62X25 & 9×18 ammo for their hand guns. We did it because we want to stimulate their economy! (HA-HA).
        Get your stuff together we are in for one HELL of a ride with this Death care B.S.
        I hope that House of Rep. doesn’t give in and give King Oblabla his money for his death care.
        Death Care is what we should call it from now on. This is what it is turning out to be.
        I had always thought it would be something to do with 1St. or 2Nd Adm. that would cause the next Civil War!
        In some way it dose. LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!!!!
        One day I’m going to answer to my Grand Kids for this I just hope I can say “I tried”
        God save us all!!!

        • You know that the key what will you say to your kids (grand great grand and if lucky gg grand )when you are getting ready to check ch out carrying your piss and shit in abag.

          Please be able to say more than I tried.

          • F.B.
            I have done everything short of armed insurrection. Just maybe it will come to that. If it dose, and I’m still alive I will still tell them “I tried” I will not want to tell them the HORORS of a CIVIL WAR and killing, I would rather have them read about it. If I’m dead they will now “I tried”!!! And they will know I did it for them!!!!

            • The angry of the comment was not directed at you.

              • F.B.
                I didn’t think it was, but I did need to clarify some things.

      43. I’m sorry, but I feel it is a time for a repost THX.

        I am just a man. I acknowledge the things that are going on around us, amongst us. We are approaching dark times no matter how anyone looks at it, and those who still wear their blinders and refuse to open their eyes are either ignorant, evil, or both. I read almost every article on this site (and many others of the kind) and I read many of the comments. I wait. I wait for the right commenter, the right article, the right spark to ignite a fire in the hearts of each and every one of us who are awake and ready to fight. I wait for the straw to break the camel’s back. But it doesn’t come. I close this site each time with a feeling of disappointment that I didn’t read true inspiration. Then I go on with my life. I go back to work the next day and I continue to spend worthless money and pay my taxes and feed into this system that we all despise.
        I believe that every digital signature that we make is recorded; the things we buy, the people we talk to, and I KNOW that we are all on a list somewhere. They want us living in fear. I am a man of faith and I know that God has a purpose for each and every one of us. I believe it was God who awoke me, just like in his master plan, in the eventual revolution and defeat of the tyrants that are running this country. His plan for me is not to hide among the masses and keep my mouth shut. If they come to black bag me and I die in a gunfight or if they succeed in taking me and I’m interrogated to death, it will be God’s plan and his alone, and I will live my purpose through to the end. Personally I would consider it an honor if it was my death at the hand of our oppressors that fueled a fire that burned this machine to the ground. I doubt that I will be so lucky. We need a voice. We need unity. Here we are in aboard a train we ALL know is going to derail and instead of doing something about it we sit in our seats and talk and debate about what/who has caused this to happen. We need only look in the mirrors. We have nearly an unlimited access to pretty much any information we want, communication around the globe at the touch of our fingers (for the time being). And like I said, I am just a man. To the system, the machine I am an ant. They could fly a drone and blow my ass to high heaven or send a platoon of highly trained operators to my door and gun me down. As one man I cannot even begin to make a dent in this machine, unless I can let my voice be heard and rally the hearts and minds of at least a few. If we don’t unite now, link arms and stand up TOGETHER, then we have wasted precious time, opportunity and resource, and our survival will be all the more difficult when the storm comes (on their terms). We have allowed this too long. We continue to abide tyranny and oppression, right here in The United States of America, the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE! It is time my brothers. Something. Anything. All I know is my life is no life at all when I live it looking over my shoulder and worrying when they will come for me. To those of you reading this that fight for darkness, who cowers behind your computer screen gathering Intel for vermin who are in power, I have one thing for you to pass on: any day, anytime. I’m ready to fight and ready to die. Are you?

      44. The Obama care forces me to engage in commerce. If I refuse I become a criminal subject to punishment. Im a criminal for not doing anything. For Me this is the final straw Ill not comply. let them put a lien on my home. Ill burn & destroy it. They think they can win. Im not sure but to will come at great cost to everyone involved. Ill be able to say I tried. Their hasn’t been and never will be a viable political or Ballot Box solution. So where does that leave US? Its commonly stated their are no unsovlable problems ? The obvious solution is to remove those who cause the problem and those who do their bidding. Terminate the parasites

        • Old guy, finally we have have common ground. Still not sure about how we define parasite, but it is a start.

      45. Web pictures or it didn’t happen, typical Infowars Bull Shit.

        I’m no fan of Obamacare and will not signup, but this typical Infowars mis-infomation.

      46. Hey!..some good news in all this shit after all

        POS(Piers) Morgan got dumped by CNN

        wheres the party?

        • now if we could only dump CNN

          • VRF
            Amen to both!!!!!

        • Yay! Someone in management has sense!

          • Babycatcher:

            Someone in management just noticed they are losing “cents”, probably millions of “cents”. That is the real thing those bas#@^%s in management understand.

      47. Hey, don’t worry, Obamacare is going to be enforced by the IRS who has already proven that (Lois Lerner) they can lie through their teeth.

        How could it get any better? You have a Muslim in the WH and the IRS working together to destroy the middle class and to control the masses.

        Relaaaaaaaaaaaaaax Man!

      48. Wait until the Hackers get a hold of Healthcare dot gov, WOW!

        Checking Accounts, Medical Records, etc…

      49. So, waste all those they send to harass you, and they’ll stop coming to harass you.

        This isn’t f***ing ROCKET SCIENCE, god-DAMN IT! >_<

      50. @ Sgt. Dale. An evil government can take and take in ways no one would expect. This is an ugly tactic that they will do to something that has no home, no job that files taxes in your “behalf”. If you have ANY property they will go after it if they feel that you are withholding from the tyranny. Example might be that if you have a car, they will refuse to re-register it unless you have BO care insurance along with car insurance. I have known a person that got those new state tags for the license plates, but eventually they tracked him down and the fines for 4 years not registering the car were about $1500. Ever see those cartoons with the king’s thuds turning someone upside down and shaking down every last penny from the pauper?

        The thing is with someone too poor not to be able to afford BO care through an insurer will make you jump through all sorts of hoops to give you some nice government insurance that will put you even farther under the iron thumb of being watched. So really what it is here is you being able to buy your freedom to avoid being under the eye in the sky guv’ment. Yes, one day those people that have slipped between the cracks will be the first ones that they will “ATTEMPT” to convert into drones of the government, implants and all.

        You see what this government is doing is frightening. There are closing the holes in freedom to not be watched, like the 4th. Amendment guarantees. Every last person must have medical care they will tell you. NO. Every last person will be accounted for. Backdoor to the ID system. Those too poor to not be able to purchase private insurance will be required to have something, and that is where the government comes in. To obtain government subsidies the amount of forms and total intrusiveness that the questions ask is something that of a police state. Yet they require that everyone have BO care.

        All of this will be under the false pretext that they are “giving” everyone medical care. As this system was fully in place, they will start to require to “steamline” the BO care that everyone have quick to access information to your medical records. Yeah, medical implants put under your wrist in your hand or stuck somewhere else. Backdoor approach to national ID and national implant data for everyone. This is not some conspiracy theory either, as one can see the type of questions on these forms from government help to BO care you would have to fill out. This is pure sh$%. Those that are trying to defund BO care are working towards the ultimate goal of preventing a freedom grab.

        BO stands for many different meanings, one of them is bastard’s oppression.

        • BI
          Thanks for the come back. You make some great points. I didn’t think about the tags on my truck. Well I hope some day we will be able to look back on this and laugh about how worked up we got about it. If we can’t my the Good Lord watch over you and yours.

        • This government NWO thing has gotten out of hand Im glad im old and my family is grown. my grandchildren wont be so lucky. Im hoping and praying for a mega disaster or multiple,s so huge that all the goverments collapse. Something that would rocket civilization back to the stone age. Divine intervention?

          • Whatever that disaster may be, I hope that it rips right down the middle of Washington DC before any of them can get out.

      51. Mac
        Thank you for having this forum on your site,,
        Thank you also for allowing free speech,
        I can NEVER post on disqus, dont use profanity or anything like that on there but still get sensored, it appears they dont like it when people have views critical of the government so they sensor.
        we are truly no longer living in a country that has freedom of speech.

      52. @ VRF. About pierless morgan being fired. Eventually a turd that won’t flush will go down the sewer pipe if you continue to pull the handle of the toilet long enough. 🙂 Nah, nah, nah, nah,…… nah, nah, nah, nah….. hey, hey, goodbye.

        • good riddance to bad rubbish,
          he was starting to draw flys

        • Its about time isn’t it?

          funny how you wont find it on the CNN news site..notadamthing about it

      53. I’m more concerned about being dropped by my wife’s health insurance. I’m in my 50s. I’m a type 2 diabetic on all kinds of medications.

        • BC. get off your ass, start walking/exercizing, drinking water, change your diet and for fuck sakes…get off the meds. There are essential oils, clean water and food, fresh air and a beautiful planet to view.

          If you continue to live in “their paradigm”…you are fucking finished.

          Sounds like they have already broken you.

        • Low-carb, seriously. Elderly relative is type 2 and has halved her insulin by low carbing and lost 60+ pounds. It’s not a cure all but should help; even The Zone Diet is a step in the right direction.

      54. On our local news there was an article about the new exchanges,

        KITV news hawaii

        There were nearly 20,000 visits to the state’s website, almost 1,200 applications submitted and over 1,250 phone calls on the first day alone.

        Some lawmakers are focusing on a different number though: the number zero.
        That is the number of healthcare plans currently on the website for people to see or sign up for”.

        Through reading the rest of the article it goes on to state that officials are not concerned because they say it is a good chance for people to enter their information and become familiar with the system and the website.

        What a load of crap,

        this state is a total socialist collectivist state, always has been,, is worse now than ever, but this is ridiculous, go ahead and sign up for the programs even though there are no programs,

        they will have plans when there is only 2 weeks left to sign up, not that I am going to,

        will be like our local water department, send out paperwork that is time sensitive, then try to penalize me when I turn it in on the last day, because they said “it made more work for them before the deadline”

        our government is out of control at all levels,
        it no longer serves the people and the needs of the comunity, but seeks our servitude to feed it.

      55. another thing people need to consider is that,,
        when you enter anything on one of these new “exchanges” it goes directly into the NSA database,
        there they also catalogue your other electronic records,
        effectively we are entered into the Matrix,
        laugh if you will,, but think about it,
        what the hell else are they doing with billions of tetrabytes of computer capacity, not only collecting free flowing data but also collating anything that the system has on you,

        I personally dont care anymore, not going to do any of it anyway, but this stuff is real and it is happening as we sit here and type our little posts,,

        we will be like the people who live underground on demolition man or whatever that movie was where the big night out on the town is at mcdonalds.

        • The NSA already has all your information. They know your social security number, where you work, where you live, what you buy and where you go online. They also rate you based on your perceived friendliness to the government.

      56. Obama forced a park to shut down … that receives NO federal funding.

        “Plus, he even sent armed agents to shut it down with brute force…

        The National Park Service has ordered the closure of a Virginia park that sits on federal land, even though the government provides NO resources for its maintenance or operation.

        The Claude Moore Colonial Farm announced on Wednesday that NPS has ordered it to suspend operations until Congress agrees to a deal to fund the federal government.

        According to Anna Eberly, managing director of the farm, NPS sent law enforcement agents to the park on Tuesday evening to remove staff and volunteers from the property.”

        “You do have to wonder about the wisdom of an organization that would use staff they don’t have the money to pay to evict visitors from a park site that operates without costing them any money,” she said.

        Capitalism Institute dot org

      57. This is not entirely true. You will believe anything that happens to be written. The most the fine can be is $2067. The tax lien and theft from your bank is true. The IRS has always been able to do this for none payment of taxes. I hate this prez as much as the next guy but we really need to live more in truth.

        • Affordable Care Act penalty:
          “For the tax year 2014, the penalty for the entire year will be $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $285 or 1 percent of the family’s income, whichever is greater. (So, if the household income is more than $28,500, start calculating)
          In 2015, these amounts increase to $325 per adult, $162.50 per child, and a family maximum of $975 or 2 percent of the family’s income, or whichever is greater.
          For 2016 and subsequent years, the full penalties will be $695 per adult, $347.50 per child, and a family maximum of $2,085 or 2.5 percent of the family’s income.”

          It is not gonna make it to 2015, let alone 2016, folks.

        • this may be true, but I don’t even like the truth when it comes to this bullshit encroachment of my 13th amendment rights

      58. Good Morning BI…and KY too, I see!

        Friend, I AM VERY WORRIED about the SUDDEN lack of all
        and any significant activity along the Western Pacific
        arc of NorthAm. USGS (which MIGHT itelf be here ‘dark’)
        show NOTHING at or above a 4.5 for the last seven days
        …actually more, since it also showed that YETERDAY,
        as well.

        During the last 30 days, we had an exces of activity
        along the outer Aleutian’s, and ONLY that activity off
        the coast of BC whereas the remainder of the entirety
        of the “Ring of Fire” showed a fully distributed leve
        of activity throughout. This state of affairs is, to
        my mind, appraoching ‘eery’.

        There are at present a number of physical factor
        which are potentially contributory to the present state
        of affairs, but none are ‘classically’ – here –
        attributable, in thier actions.

        We got ‘smacked’ resonably hard yesterday by the efflux
        from Sunday’s Solar activity (the prominence lift-off) yet
        that is a small thing, relative to early 2012 when the
        effective counts were MULTIPLE orders of magnitude greater
        …and nearly NO semic activity resulted

        I have a sick, ‘feeling’ that ‘the consequence is near
        to hand’ here Friend. I know I do not need to counsel you
        here to vigilance…you ALWAYS are. That stretch along the
        coast from Yakutat to past Anchorage…What is the seismic
        potential there, In your honest opinion? Such estimations
        as that is your proper purvue, to be sure.

        While I’m here, “Beunos Noches, Senor’ Smokin…” I see
        that you are – as always – in FINE FORM Friend…ever
        grateful therefor. As well, t’would seem that Y’All Beware
        is coming fast up along the inside turn…good work as
        well, my Friends, one and all.

        Did I hear rightly that Pierce Morgan has been ‘shit-
        canned’? If so then all I can say here is, ‘Gee, it
        couldn’t have happened to anyone MORE deserving….GET
        that GARBAGE outa here!” I wonder if his VISA will be
        revoked since he is no LONGER ‘gainfully employed’
        here? He-he-he, just a thought…


        PS: Howdy KY!! I’m sorry I couldn’t get back right away…I saw your post Sweety, many thanks…good to be back with Y’All! Gee, the SHITE just keeps gettin’
        WORSE, don’t it?…

        • JOG,

          It is always good to hear from you! I am very glad to hear you are settling in to your new home.

          In your descriptions, I sort of picture something like on “Terra Nova” – where you have knowledge and technology, but also have to adapt to make, build and grow things yourself.

          Take care! May God bless and guide you!

          KY Mom

        • Thank you for an informative heads-up. It is hard waiting for the other shoe to drop when we have no idea which disaster will happen first to trigger the others. Instead of a shoe, it my indeed be a jack boot!

      59. Barrycades: Feds Try to Shut Down Privately Owned Mount Vernon

        “Deliberate effort by Obama to hurt the public”

        “The National Park Service erected barricades to shut down parking lots surrounding Mount Vernon despite the fact that the tourist destination is privately owned, another example of how the feds are deliberately worsening the government shut down.

        Mount Vernon is the former plantation of George Washington and is owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies’ Association, which doesn’t receive any government funding. The attraction’s official website reads, “NO SHUTDOWN HERE – The Federal government may be shut down, but Washington’s home remains open. Mount Vernon has remained a private non-profit for more than 150 years.”

        However, a dispute began when the National Park Service began putting up barricades to block off the facility’s car park, blockading the entrance as well as a spot where tour buses turn around.”

        Infowars dot com

        • Also noted ‘closed’ in the article were…

          – Numerous hiking and biking trails throughout the greater DC region, despite requiring zero immediate maintenance or patrols, have been closed down. Irate citizens are merely flouting the law and using them anyway.

          – The NPS has stationed officers along the Chesapeake & Ohio Canal that runs 184 miles from Washington, D.C. to Cumberland, Maryland to make sure nobody uses the bike paths. It would have required less manpower to keep this trail open. The handles on all the well pumps have also been removed.

          – The feds also shut down a tiny park in which children play on fake turtles, prompting angry mothers to remove the barriers, only to see them put back up. “The park is extremely small and sort of seems pointless to block off,” reports the Daily Caller.

          – Lincoln Park in DC, which is known to be used by several Democratic Senators, was not shut down, but numerous national parks across Montana were closed.

          – The most widely reported case occurred at the World War II memorial in DC, where the NPS tried to prevent veterans from seeing the monument by erecting barriers and even threatening vets with arrest. The veterans stormed through the barricades anyway. “People had to spend hours setting up barricades where there are never barricades to prevent people from seeing the World War II monument because they’re trying to play a charade,” Senator Rand Paul told Fox News.

          • Quite a game they are playing….

          • Rip all the Barry-cades down and throw them on the WH lawn!..or even better put them up at where he goes golfing!..all over the parking lot, all the greens, etc

            I want this shut down to go as far as it needs to go, to the point where BO has to do his own dam laundry!

      60. We all need to realize quickly that it does not matter what the law says. They are doing as they please to us and we sit back and take it. The administration makes shit up as it goes. Then they march right out on TV and tell us that the sky is green. Then we bitch a little and it dies down. Then they tell us it it purple…..repeat over and over. Now we are we are. Phucked.

      61. So many comments but I might have to call BS on this. I have the exact same story in a facebook feed from a lady who got the exact same message using the exact same storyline… the cost, deductible, type 1, etc.

        Wouldn’t surprise me at all, that it’s true, but let’s verify before someone needs the exchange insurance to stop a brain bleed from this story.

        • Hi Max.

          Suburb of Denver here. I’d feel a mote awkward asking if there is any group out there somewhere to join up with, but the times are getting a mite tense.

          • That should say mite, not mote,

            Interesting blog too. I’ll check it out.

      62. Something tells me Shit is about to Hit The Fan…

      63. The reason for the supposed shutdown of government is becoming clearer. Both parties are meeting in collusion to cut the social safety net by slashing social security and medicare. The deal is repubs don’t touch Obamacare and dems grant further corporate tax cuts, while the older people lose ground. This is going to raise a storm of unprecedented anger from the population.

      64. Say hello to Obamacare phones.

        In Tennessee, those shopping on the new health insurance co-ops could end up with more than just some health insurance. They might even walk away with a free smartphone.

        Community Health Alliance, Tennessee’s health insurance co-op, is running a unique promotional program to drive enrollment in its plans for sale on the exchange: health insurance in exchange for a smartphone.

        • JayJay:

          I love blacklisted news.

          Did you order the book “The Prize”? I think you did. If so, what did you think of it? I don’t have the newer version but would be interested to hear from you how that version ended.

          Love your “snappy” posts…….

          • Well, I was really surprised to learn how old the book is.
            I read Michael Ruppert’s book, Crossing the Rubican and learned from it the truth about peak oil(yeah, debates here about shale oil, etc.).
            I have been a little busy with Gene’s inoperable aneurysm and non-explained seizures last month.
            But, this winter I will get to that book when yard work, painting kitchen knobs, painting shed trim, etc. aren’t on my lists of things to do.

            • JayJay:

              Sorry to hear about Gene.

              I know from your posts that you are a true patriot.

              Blessings to both of you

              • thanks you–we will make it.

      65. Night Breaker: Look at TACOM-MA-13-046 directive to remove all biblical references on M150 ACOGs. What a crock!

      66. “You Write What Your Told”

        Thanks Corporate News, MSM..they couldn’t control the people without you

        problem is..some of us know this and we wont forget it

      67. Well apparently the government social security and welfare checks where not affected by the shutdown. I went and took cash and paid the electric bill and put a $100 on a gas card at walmart. The store was packed with wiggers. Maybe they are poor but you would think they could wash up and put on clean clothes. by and large they are disgusting in appearance. I know the cashier she told me I forgot today was food stamp day I was gonna call in sick LOL!

      68. Well apparently the government social security and welfare checks where not affected by the shutdown. I went and took cash and paid the electric bill and put a $100 on a gas card at walmart. The store was packed with wiggers. Maybe they are poor but you would think they could wash up and put on clean clothes. by and large they are disgusting in appearance. I know the cashier she told me I forgot today was food stamp day I was gonna call in sick LOL!

        • “by and large they are disgusting in appearance”

          My mind conjurs images culled from emails of photos from “People of Walmart” webpages. Yikes!!

          • Yes indeed in a little town of 6,000 pop. You could of made a people of walmart video. Most of them where white with a few blacks & Mexicans and a mixed race niglet or two. I wore a clean (almost new) pair of bib overalls a red T shirt cowboy boots and a cowboy hat. And compaired to most of them I was dressed in my sunday go to meetin best! I dint purchase nothing but a $100 gift card. Yet I pushed two wayward shopping carts inside when I came in.

      69. This ObamaCare BS has me fired up and to add insult to injury several sites are reporting that the help line # for ObamaCare hotline spells out– 1-800-FUCK-YO , real number is 1800.318.2596 (1 has no letters)

        1. How can we afford to pay subsidies for millions of people when we are already borrowing around 50% of what we spend as a nation.

        2. People can’t afford the premiums in many cases even with the subsidy no less the penalties when there has been no real cost of living increase for the middle class in 20 years.

        3. This beast is inherently flawed– folks who would qualify for medicaid will be paying more (because they don’t get a subsidy in many states because they chose not to take the medicaid expansion $$$)than people right above the medicaid eligibility threshhold.

        4. This has quite a few elements of being a ponzi because the whole premise of it being anywhere near working is if the majority of young adults sign up for it.

        5. This is going to be a nightmare if say your income increases and and you continue to receive the premium subsidies resulting in a huge amount owed on April 15.

        6. Employers will continue to fire employees, reduce work hours or in the case of small business just shut down. The penalty for not providing health insurance if you have over 50 FTEs (full time employees)(and that is a huge sticky point on what accounts for a FTE– could be PTEs adding up to a FTE. If you get it wrong- you are paying a penalty on the gross income not net from what I’ve read. A lot of businesses have very low profit margins based on high volumes. But it gets even better because if that immigration bill passes then they will be able to hire all the recently legalized folks and not pay a penalty.

        I expect Christmas shopping season to suck and 2014 there will be no denying we are in a depression…

        What a cluster####, Cloward and Pivens must be real proud of this one because its gonna take the US down…

        • posted almost at the same time

        • Not to mention this bill does nothing to contain health care spending and why it costs so much. No surprise on that one because the healthcare/pharma is # 2 in lobbying spending so you know the paid for shrills of DC will NEVER rescind this industries ability to continue in its blatant violations of Sherman and Clayton antitrust violations.

      70. Far from being a mistype, that’s the official number that Health and Human Services wants Americans to dial when seeking health care. Obamacare’s national call center really did list its number as 1-800-318-2596, helpfully spelling out President Barack Obama’s tendency to blatantly flip the bird in plain view.

        the last digits spell..FUCKYO

        and with all the pictures of him and holder flipping us all the bird it falls right in line with his childish behavior..

        people..we need to send the F you message right back at him

        • the number to remember isn’t the phone number for Oblaimy care..the number to remember is 1776!

          • III%

            • you bet!

              and im also thinking of changing my screen name to “The Outlaw VRF”

              but don’t want to step on the toes of our own “Outlaw” here on SHTF plan 😉

              • Lol, Wouldn’t bother me one bit VRF! In fact, if enough people added Outlaw in front of their moniker, I’d be glad to add something after mine, to differentiate.
                Heck a lot of those here that are not already Outlaw’s will probably be soon enough.

                • Sweet I’m definitely an outlaw at heart

          • …other line is 1861

        • What is the statistical probability of the hotline for this cluster#### getting that #? I’d say intentional, prophetic on either the part of someone in the WH or someone at the phone co. with a great sense of humor..

        • VRF:

          Telephone # back to OCare: 1-800-328-7448


      71. Harry Reid blocks funding for veterans programs, national parks

        “Senate Democrats blocked four resolutions to fund government programs, including paying the National Guard and opening national parks…”

        “Unbelievably, today Senate Democrats went on record to oppose funding for National Guard and Reserve salaries, veterans’ services, lifesaving medicine and cures, and national parks and museums,” Senator John Thune, R-S.D.,

        “Congress unanimously passed a bill to ensure active-duty military personnel are paid during this lapse in government funding, and it’s unclear why Senate Democrats wouldn’t pass similar measures to fund these important services,” Thune said.

        Washington Examiner

      72. Fukushima

        Every competent physicist in the world now agrees that the cores of 1-3 are now either in the basements with groundwater flowing around them, or else have burned through the basements.
        By contrast the leak TEPCO just admitted to is a literal drop in the bucket compared to the entire debacle

        • Fukushima could be 15,000 times worse than Hiroshima with removal of fuel rods

          Posted on October 1, 2013 by The Extinction Protocol

          October 1, 2013 – JAPAN – A Yale Professor is compelling the world to wake up from its nuclear slumber and face some cold-hard facts, “All of humanity will be threatened for thousands of years” if the Fukushima Unit 4 pool can’t be kept cool. Your worries about eating cesium-contaminated fish from the Pacific Ocean are grounded in fact, but this is a world-wide disaster of the most epic proportions just waiting to happen. If nothing else, it points to the necessity of nuclear-free power to fuel the planet, but in the meantime, more than 1,535 fuel rods must be meticulously removed from Unit 4, which in all likelihood is crumbling. Charles Perrow, Professor Emeritus of Sociology from Yale University cautions: “Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years.” In early stages of the Fukushima disaster Tepco, under influence of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), tried to keep the full ramifications of Fukushima under wraps, and now the entire country faces a possible trillion dollar price tag and multiple decades of active clean up to make this go away, but that will all be a moot point if the fuel rods aren’t removed properly. All the boron between spent fuel rods has disintegrated.

          This means a nuclear chain reaction could ensue if the rods get too close together in the pools, causing nuclear mayhem like we’ve never endured. In less than two months, Tepco plans to try to remove these rods, admitting that they haven’t the expertise or resources to do it perfectly – and that is what it would take – absolute perfection. According to globalreasearch.ca, “Some 400 tons of fuel in that pool could spew out more than 15,000 times as much radiation as was released at Hiroshima. More than 6,000 fuel assemblies now sit in a common pool just 50 meters from Unit Four. Some contain plutonium. The pool has no containment over it. It’s vulnerable to loss of coolant, the collapse of a nearby building, another earthquake, another tsunami and more.” Overall, more than 11,000 fuel assemblies are scattered around the Fukushima site. According to long-time expert and former Department of Energy official Robert Alvarez, there is more than 85 times as much lethal cesium on site as was released at Chernobyl.” This is no time for Tepco or the Japanese government to try to save face, or the world to turn the other cheek. If we don’t treat this as a global disaster it would be like waiting for the Russians to start nuclear war back in the 1980s – or worse. Harvey Wasserman has created a petition at NukeFree.org to alert our own president and other politicians about the extreme seriousness of this incident. All while they were planning to go to war with Syria, the nuclear disaster right under our noses was escalating to unfathomable proportions. Not to sound doom and gloom, but it’s important to recognize the ramifications if this issue isn’t taken care of – properly. –Prison Planet

          • I stated the dangers of Spent Fuel pools on many occasions here on SHTF Plan.

            Maybe now people will realize what I meant when I said ‘if we lose the grid or power for an extended period of time you can kiss your asses goodbye. ‘Spent fuel’ is anything but ‘cool’, on the contrary and is still quite hot, radioactively speaking.

            • Not if they dont shut down the reactors

          • Well that saves me a gas truck full of dollars. I may have to give up fishing and sell my boat. Or start sight fishing at night, get rid of my fish finder and replace it with a Geiger counter. I bet the shelf life of canned tuna has gone from 15 years to 150,000 years. I have no worry though as long as I have my obama care. Speaking of obamacare, Fishermen should get an exemption, the cost of maintaining and fueling a boat keeps you in the poor house.


          • I read something like this also , it’s just getting worse by the day , by the hour.. And the general public is lied to , told bs stories and covering up all the important issues.
            Wouldn’t surprise me if their ignorance kills us all

      73. Shots fired at US Capitol

      74. Shots fired near the Capitol….as usual the msm are reporting several different scenarios….so basically the have no fucking clue.

        • A possibility not discussed by MSM—

          Someone lucky enough to get on healthcare.gov to see their “affordable” premium wasn’t happy with what they saw and decided to vent their frustration…

          Red thumbs away…

      75. If I had a son ..He’d look like Edward Snowden!

        people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security,, deserve neither.. and will lose both

        were already on the slippery slope..watch yer step!

        • If i had a son hed look like???
          Aw hell i guess i have been a bit too cavalier with my love life!

      76. ***More on the latest developments***

        An attempt to ram the White House gates today resulted in a high speed chase to the Capitol and ended with shots fired and a female suspect dead, officials and sources said.

        The gunfire sent senators and staffers scrambling inside the Capitol which was put under lockdown.

        A child was found unhurt in the suspect’s car, authorities said. The woman was not carrying identification and has not been identified. Police said there were no weapons found in the suspect’s car.

        FOR THE SHOCK OF YOUR LIFE, PLEASE READ BELOW, and take a minute to comprehend what you are reading!!!!
        Be sure to read to the end.
        EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED by US Presidents in the recent 100 years +/-:

        Teddy Roosevelt – 3

        All Others until FDR – 0

        FDR – 11 in 16 years

        Truman – 5 in 7 years

        Ike – 2 in 8 years

        Kennedy – 4 in 3 years

        LBJ – 4 in 5 years

        Nixon – 1 in 6 years

        Ford – 3 in 2 years

        Carter – 3 in 4 years

        Reagan – 5 in 8 years

        Bush – 3 in 4 years

        Clinton – 15 in 8 years

        George W. Bush – 62 in 8 years

        *Obama – 923 in 3 1/2 years!

        If you don’t get the implications you’re not paying attention. And you thought it was all about healthcare Very Scary.

        923 Executive Orders in 40 Months
        During our lifetime, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders for various reasons, some have issued more than others.

        Even some Democrats in the House now have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators have questioned him. Rightfully so –

        Remember what he told Russia ‘s Putin: “I’ll be more flexible after I’m re-elected”.

        What did Congress do in those 40 months? (The House – considerable. The Senate almost nothing, not even a budget nor allow any House
        Bill to be considered.) The democratically-controlled senate is like Nero watching Rome burn!

        Now look at these:

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the registration of all persons. Postmaster General to operate a national registration.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

        EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

        Feel free to verify the “executive orders” at will…..and these are just the major ones. I’m sure you’ve all heard the tale of the “Frog in the Pot”… Watch Obama’s actions, not his words! By his actions he will show you where America is headed.
        Just this week, Obama has issued a new executive order that seeks to “harmonize” U.S. economic regulations with the rest of the world. This new executive order is yet another incremental step that is pushing us closer to a North American Union and a one world economic system.

        Unfortunately, most Americans have absolutely no idea what is happening. The American people need to understand that Barack Obama is constantly looking for ways to integrate the United States more deeply with the rest of the world. The globalization of the world economy has accelerated under Obama, and this latest executive order represents a fundamental change in U.S. economic policy. Now federal regulators will be required to “harmonize” their work with the international community.
        If he talks like a dictator, acts like a dictator, walks like a dictator, and carries through like a dictator, then I’d say that he IS a dictator…..


        Google it!

        Hello to the NSA, FBI or CIA person reading this email.
        You will one day find that you are no more safe from these
        rulers than any of the people you spy on.
        Take due notice thereof and govern yourselves accordingly.

        “IN GOD WE TRUST”

        • Thats also why millions of firearms and billions of rounds of ammo are now in the hands of the American people,
          The gov can try and take over but my feeling and the general consensus in multiple discussions is that it will be an epic failure even if foreign troops are involved.
          Think about it, the USMC, US Army, US Airforce and whoever else has not been able to defeat the taliban or alquaida in Afganistan, nor in Iraq, these groups are on a mission from their understanding of god as it were but are no match for the millions of seasoned shooters and Veterans that blanket our country. Not to mention how we are spread out all over creation even if they have a good idea who we are! Just too damn big a force, not to mention ability, some old coot wielding an old 30-06 would drop 5 of these fuckers before they even figured out where the shots were coming from, let alone getting ambushed by a bunch of guys who have had it and are just plain pissed off and have been training with their group for the last few years.

        • If they try to usurp this sort of power it will be game on and EVERYBODY will know it. I have recently spoken with a few folks who are “in the handout system”
          From what i can gather their sense of country and patriotism far outweighs their loyalty to a false leader. There are also “libs” who are patriotic, and who also have a penchant for firearms and defense of self and family and look upon these developments with a skeptical eye just as much as myself or some of the other outspoken regulars on SHTF.
          So I think if the government wanted to, they could try to take everything over.
          Would they succeed? Maybe here and there, but in the long run? No way! They will eat shit, there are too many of US on the inside with THEM, they just maybe dont realize it yet.

          • Amen Kula…

            The III, we are EVERYWHERE.

            @Are you ready?
            Thanks for that, kinda puts it all in perspective for the Clueless…
            Do I have your permission to distribute…?

        • I intensely dislike the current (and former) administrations, but a simple google search will show this:
          Here is a list of US presidents and the number of executive orders each has signed. The president with the most executive orders was FDR with 3,522.

          Barack Obama – 144 (so far)
          George W. Bush – 291
          Clinton – 364
          George Bush – 166
          Reagan – 381
          Carter – 320
          Ford – 169
          Nixon – 346
          Johnson – 325
          Kennedy – 214
          Eisenhower – 484
          Truman – 907
          Franklin D. Roosevelt – 3,522
          Hoover – 968
          Coolidge – 1,203
          Harding – 522
          Wilson – 1,803
          Taft – 724
          Theodore Roosevelt – 1,081
          McKinley – 185
          Cleveland II – 140
          Harrison – 143
          Cleveland I – 113
          Arthur – 96
          Garfield – 6
          Hayes – 92
          Grant – 217
          Andrew Johnson – 79
          Lincoln – 48
          Buchanan – 16
          Pierce – 35
          Fillmore – 12
          Taylor – 5
          Polk – 18
          Tyler – 17
          Harrison – 0
          van Buren – 10
          Jackson – 12
          Adams – 3
          Monroe – 1
          Madison – 1
          Jefferson – 4
          Adams – 1
          Washington – 8

        • I think your general sentiment is pretty good, but as pointed out below, the Executive Order specs are way off. Obama’s numbers look fairly average for the recent presidents and nothing compared to some of the earlier foundational orders by the Roosevelts/etc.

      78. It is being reported that the driver/shooter was killed and was a female, she also had a small baby in the car. It is being reported that the baby is ok. Thank you Lord!

      79. Never believe the official story , a lot of shit don’t add up in this story.
        I’m thinking she had an accident , Barney freaked out because he thinks any thing out of the norm is an attack on the politicians or the White House so he started shooting , thus making her flee even harder to protect her kid , so the key stone cops shot her
        She was reportedly unarmed with a baby
        Yup they gonna cover that up quick and make up something that sounds like the sheep will buy

        • Right on VRF

          and the HOUSE gave a standing ovation
          for the cops bravery. Puking my guts out.

        • who knows maybe her accelerator got stuck and she tried to run it off the road to stop the car from moving, or she had a diabetic issue..we will not be told, because they have to protect their own at all cost to the public.

          Some one or something has got our cops all freaked out, to the point where they are shoot first , make up a story after

          and its getting rediculous to the measures they will go.
          we’ve been asked the question on here many times, will they fire upon us..well from what ive been seeing the answer is,.. they already are.
          they will take out your Dog with no recourse , they will take out your parent, some dumlie becomes the naritive your kids your spouse..
          You boys in blue have something you want to tell us all?
          because your gang is getting very scary , and you are doing a lousy job of policing your own, even if this woman was cracking up , there are non violent non lethal methods to contain or stop a person with out death being the result, i mean , especially when they were not armed or shooting back..(remember the two delivery ladies that got their truck shot up?), and way more than this.
          so whats the freak all about?..have you made way too many enemies? or are you being ordered to be heartless dicks?

          • Not to mention they happened to be having a terror drill in DC yesterday.. False flag?


        • I’m an IT guy. Obamacare has my mgt. running scared and just by threatening to walk…I got a five figure raise.

          Mgt. are my bitches and the IT guys really run the company.

          Yeah….just at the right place and at the right time in history.

          ps. Woooooooooodrow Wilson enslaved the American people via the Federal Reserve and the income tax act. I hope satan is fucking him up the ass right now with a hot poker.

          That is the one man in history that enslaved us all.

          • Are you ready:

            Read the story behind Wilson. The men in the shadows ran his show from the opening curtain to the closing curtain. He was just “out front”.

            The story goes that right before his death he stated “I have ruined my country” referencing the Fed Reserve.

            That “hot poker” is being applied to him and the banksters that instigated the whole racket.

        • The only way to stop it is for everyone to OPTOUT. Once the insurance companies see how much they are going to loose, only covering those with pre-existing conditions, they (big business) will call a stop to this. Big business runs the government and are the only ones that can change it. OPTOUT

      81. Hat tip to the original SHTF “Outlaw”

      82. so far
        Obamacare has had no adverse effects on me as far as I know

        my health care policy has been expanded and now includes more preventative services at no cost to me

        my premiums have not increased and my deductibles remain the same

        first year that has ever happened

        • lol…why all the junks, Satori?

          Mine has remained relatively the same also.

          • I fully expected some red thumbs !!!

            mention Obama in ANY context and people start frothing
            at the mouth

            its just something some cannot control !

            • It is because we know you are lying.

              • I don’t appreciate being called a liar
                ESPECIALLY when I have stated the facts
                and ONLY the facts

                • When something sounds to good to be true it usually is. Insurance companies always use any excuse to raise rates. They never stay the same or get cheaper. So I state it again Liar Liar pants on fire. Nobody with common sense believes you.

      83. Sounds lile this guy is doing something wrong or reading something wrong.The fine for not signing up is 95 bucksmonth or 1% .I dont see how he got 4k should be more like 400.

        • Affordable Care Act penalty:
          “For the tax year 2014, the penalty for the entire year will be $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $285 or 1 percent of the family’s income, whichever is greater. (So, if the household income is more than $28,500, start calculating)
          In 2015, these amounts increase to $325 per adult, $162.50 per child, and a family maximum of $975 or 2 percent of the family’s income, or whichever is greater.
          For 2016 and subsequent years, the full penalties will be $695 per adult, $347.50 per child, and a family maximum of $2,085 or 2.5 percent of the family’s income.”

          It is not gonna make it to 2015, let alone 2016, folks.

      84. Not only can you not get into the system, it is obviously unable to do proper calculations. Yes there will be a fine (tax) and yes like all taxes owed to the Feds, they can take it from your bank account and do all sorts of things if you don’t pay them. However, the law clearly states that the fine will be 1 percent of your income the first year, 2 percent the second and 2.5 percent the third. The way I calculate that, you would owe $450 the first year and $900 the second year. I am not joining their scam and will pay the fine. If enough people don’t sign up it will cause the entire thing to fail, because the insurance companies are depending on all of the healthy people signing up to offset the sick ones. OPTOUT.

        • Yes if everyone who is against the health care just pays the fine it would collapse. Myself other than the normal wear and tear expected in someone my age who did mostly physical work. Im pretty healthy. I don’t smoke and drink very little And im not obese or fat. We mainly grow all of our food. I haven’t been to a doctor except to get my Health card( Cost $65). It,s Mandatory when driving a semi truck. and since I quit driving truck two years ago I haven’t went to the doctor at all. The Health care should have a Means test. Why should some healthy person be taxed to pay for the sickley and the sickly be allowed to keep their assets and maintain a certain lifestyle?

      85. Hey, HEY! Ho, HO! Obama’s got to GO

      86. We have heard it suggested before and Unknown Suspect Says (comment 2545759) to make it works the Feds have to get rid of cash. Interesting hidden article in the Buffalo News this morning by Patricia Sabatini titled Paying in cash carries a high price. TPTB are starting more programming about why we need to get rid of cash. This article suggests that it costs Americans $200 billion a year or $1700 per household to use cash – according to a new study by Tufts University in Boston. What a crock! They are insinuating that we spend a lot of money and time using cash and need to move towards an e-dollar.

        Wake up and put your money into items you need to live a more self-sufficient livestyle. Learn to can and dehydrate foods purchasing local fruits, veggies, and livestock so you know where it comes from….and then start growing your own as much as possible. Check Craig’s list and local papers to purchase used canners, jars, and dehydrator if you are short on cash. Put away dry beans and rice and start cooking and eating these and save on your regular grocery bill so you have more money to purchase additional food to put away. You will become healthier by eating better. Use herbs and essential oils rather than prescriptions that always have a worse side effect that the original problem. If you don’t know how to cook this way … Check out Ready Nutrition website or PeparednessPro – they take you through the steps needed. I know because I learned this way. Learn alternative methods for cooking and preparing your foods. Got water? Step by step by step you will get there.

        We are going to experience the greatest change our country has seen in ages, you need to at least try to prepare so you can stick it to those who don’t want us to be successful!

      87. Will is a liar, I got this same thing about Nancy Riley, we can’t make informed decisions when we have liars like this

      88. I’ll be spending my mandatory premiums on even more mandatory guns and ammo thank you very much 😀

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