Obamacare Architects At Harvard Furious After Learning They Are Not Exempt From Obamacare

by | Jan 6, 2015 | Headline News | 132 comments

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    SHTFplan Editor’s Note: Sometimes you just have to laugh. While Obamacare and the taxes and burdens it imposes on Americans is no laughing matter, one can’t help but smile when reading about the Harvard professors who championed said legislation, only to see themselves not exempted from it. According to the following report from Zero Hedge, Harvard staff members are distressed and experiencing anxiety because of the high health care costs associated with the Affordable Care Act. Like confused democrat voters who didn’t realize they were going to have to pay for other peoples’ health care personally,  Harvard professors must have thought they were special and wouldn’t have to pay for themselves (and those who can’t afford it). Turns out that under socialism, EVERYONE gets screwed! 


    The brain incubator at Harvard, the place which according to legend, and certainly the US News and World Report’s annual paid college infomercial, is the repository for some of the smartest people in the world, is furious.

    The reason – Harvard’s illustrious faculty has learned that they too will be subject to their own policy recommendations as relates to Obamacare, which they themselves helped conceive. As the left-leaning NYT reported earlier today, “for years, Harvard’s experts on health economics and policy have advised presidents and Congress on how to provide health benefits to the nation at a reasonable cost. But those remedies will now be applied to the Harvard faculty, and the professors are in an uproar.

    Because Harvard’s brilliant ivory tower economists and public policy wonks know precisely how to fix the world… as long as said fix never applies to them.

    And sure enough, the faculty did everything in its power to make sure it never had to suffer the consequences of its own brilliance…

    “Members of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the heart of the 378-year-old university, voted overwhelmingly in November to oppose changes that would require them and thousands of other Harvard employees to pay more for health care. The university says the increases are in part a result of the Obama administration’s Affordable Care Act, which many Harvard professors championed.

    … But it was too late:

    The faculty vote came too late to stop the cost increases from taking effect this month, and the anger on campus remains focused on questions that are agitating many workplaces: How should the burden of health costs be shared by employers and employees? If employees have to bear more of the cost, will they skimp on medically necessary care, curtail the use of less valuable services, or both?

    And it just gets better:

    “Harvard is a microcosm of what’s happening in health care in the country,” said David M. Cutler, a health economist at the university who was an adviser to President Obama’s 2008 campaign. But only up to a point: Professors at Harvard have until now generally avoided the higher expenses that other employers have been passing on to employees. That makes the outrage among the faculty remarkable, Mr. Cutler said, because “Harvard was and remains a very generous employer.”

    Ah, hypocrisy: exactly the same whether it is at the lowliest of community colleges or the leading bastion of liberal thought.

    In Harvard’s health care enrollment guide for 2015, the university said it “must respond to the national trend of rising health care costs, including some driven by health care reform,” otherwise known as the Affordable Care Act. The guide said that Harvard faced “added costs” because of provisions in the health care law that extend coverage for children up to age 26, offer free preventive services like mammograms and colonoscopies and, starting in 2018, add a tax on high-cost insurance, known as the Cadillac tax.

    The faculty is enraged, ENRAGED that what it hoped would only apply to the plebian peasantry is just as applicable to the self-appointed smartest people in the world. Here’s Dick:

    Richard F. Thomas, a Harvard professor of classics and one of the world’s leading authorities on Virgil, called the changes “deplorable, deeply regressive, a sign of the corporatization of the university.”

    And here’s Mary:

    Mary D. Lewis, a professor who specializes in the history of modern France and has led opposition to the benefit changes, said they were tantamount to a pay cut. “Moreover,” she said, “this pay cut will be timed to come at precisely the moment when you are sick, stressed or facing the challenges of being a new parent.”

    Why the anger? Because Harvard thought that it would be, drumroll, exempt from the Affordable Care Act which it was instrumental in conceiving :

    The university is adopting standard features of most employer-sponsored health plans: Employees will now pay deductibles and a share of the costs, known as coinsurance, for hospitalization, surgery and certain advanced diagnostic tests. The plan has an annual deductible of $250 per individual and $750 for a family. For a doctor’s office visit, the charge is $20. For most other services, patients will pay 10 percent of the cost until they reach the out-of-pocket limit of $1,500 for an individual and $4,500 for a family.

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    Previously, Harvard employees paid a portion of insurance premiums and had low out-of-pocket costs when they received care.

    Kinda like how America worked before the tax that is Obamacare was forcefully shoved down everyone’s throat thanks to Harvard brilliant geniuses no less who decided it was time to treat the free market like their own socialist lab experiment. But hey, at least it helped “boost” Q1 Q3 GDP by 1%.

    It has gotten so bad that Harvard, realizing it is not exempt for socialist utopia, is suffering from “distress” and “anxiety.”

    The president of Harvard, Drew Gilpin Faust, acknowledged in a letter to the faculty that the changes in health benefits — though based on recommendations from some of the university’s own health policy experts — were “causing distress” and had “generated anxiety” on campus. But she said the changes were necessary because Harvard’s health benefit costs were growing faster than operating revenues or staff salaries and were threatening the budget for other priorities like teaching, research and student aid.

    In response, Harvard professors, including mathematicians and microeconomists, have dissected the university’s data and question whether its health costs have been growing as fast as the university says. Some created spreadsheets and contended that the university’s arguments about the growth of employee health costs were misleading. In recent years, national health spending has been growing at an exceptionally slow rate.

    We also learn that the only reason why it was called “Affordable Care” is because, apparently, it was unaffordable.

    some ideas that looked good to academia in theory are now causing consternation. In 2009, while Congress was considering the health care legislation, Dr. Alan M. Garber — then a Stanford professor and now the provost of Harvard — led a group of economists who sent an open letter to Mr. Obama endorsing cost-control features of the bill. They praised the Cadillac tax as a way to rein in health costs and premiums.

    Dr. Garber, a physician and health economist, has been at the center of the current Harvard debate. He approved the changes in benefits, which were recommended by a committee that included university administrators and experts on health policy.

    In an interview, Dr. Garber acknowledged that Harvard employees would face greater cost-sharing, but he defended the changes. “Cost-sharing, if done appropriately, can slow the growth of health spending,” he said. “We need to be prepared for the very real possibility that health expenditure growth will take off again.”

    But Jerry R. Green, a professor of economics and a former provost who has been on the Harvard faculty for more than four decades, said the new out-of-pocket costs could lead people to defer medical care or diagnostic tests, causing more serious illnesses and costly complications in the future.

    “It’s equivalent to taxing the sick,” Professor Green said. “I don’t think there’s any government in the world that would tax the sick.”

    But in her view, there are drawbacks to the Harvard plan and others like it that require consumers to pay a share of health care costs at the time of service. “Consumer cost-sharing is a blunt instrument,” Professor Rosenthal said. “It will save money, but we have strong evidence that when faced with high out-of-pocket costs, consumers make choices that do not appear to be in their best interests in terms of health.”

    If you aren’t crying with laughter yet, you will now once the sheer idiocy of central planning, even when conceived by the world’s smartest people, is unveiled:

    Harvard’s new plan is far more generous than plans sold on public insurance exchanges under the Affordable Care Act. Harvard says its plan pays 91 percent of the cost of care for a typical consumer, while the most popular plans on the exchanges, known as silver plans, pay 70 percent, on average.

    In many states, consumers have complained about health plans that limit their choice of doctors and hospitals. Some Harvard employees have said they will gladly accept a narrower network of health care providers if it lowers their costs. But Harvard’s ability to create such networks is complicated by the fact that some of Boston’s best-known, most expensive hospitals are affiliated with Harvard Medical School. To create a network of high-value providers, Harvard would probably need to exclude some of its own teaching hospitals, or discourage their use.

    “Harvard employees want access to everything,” said Dr. Barbara J. McNeil, the head of the health care policy department at Harvard Medical School and a member of the benefits committee. “They don’t want to be restricted in what institutions they can get care from.”

    In other words, compared to the rest of the socialist experiment they helped conceive, Harvard has it much, much better. “Although out-of-pocket costs over all for a typical Harvard employee are to increase in 2015, administrators said premiums would decline slightly. They noted that the university, which has an endowment valued at more than $36 billion, had an unusual program to provide protection against high out-of-pocket costs for employees earning $95,000 a year or less. Still, professors said the protections did not offset the new financial burdens that would fall on junior faculty and lower-paid staff members.”

    But the punchline comes from none other than a sociologist:

    “It seems that Harvard is trying to save money by shifting costs to sick people,” said Mary C. Waters, a professor of sociology. “I don’t understand why a university with Harvard’s incredible resources would do this. What is the crisis?

    Indeed: how dare a university with such “incredible resources” be forced to comply with the policy it itself helped create?

    Of course, none of the above is the issue at hand: what is really pissing Harvard off, is that as its perennial next door competitor MIT, as expressed by one professor Jonathan Gruber, made it quite clear that only a nation as stupid as America would allow such as an opaque law as Obamacare to be passed. And, by implication, Harvard being subject to this law, makes its faculty about as stupid as the average American voter. And there is nothing more crushing, “distressing” and “anxiety-provoking” for a bunch of wealthy, ivory tower dwellers than seeing their own egos go down in flames.

    Or, said otherwise: MIT 1 – Harvard 0.


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      1. LOL! Excellent!

        • Indeed… and while I usually refrain from cursing or vulgarities at this web site, I can’t help but offer this to the Harvard professors (and others) who supported this legislation…

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          • But Mac…that is not nice. Gruber said Americans are stupid and he was another architect who made 4-5 million dollar.

            • Stolz, Mac is right. That Jew POS Gruber gets the same message from me that Mac just gave to the Harvard commies.

            • To show what a sham Obamacare really is. I recently went to the hospital for 3 days due to a mild heart attack. I was treated like royalty. I received round the clock care. I was given a 65% discount for paying something at the emergency room. Total cost was around $34,000 and after my discount my bill dropped to just under $12,000. The hospital accepts payments with NO interest.

              I checked just for the hell of it, what Obamacare cost. For a bronze plan it would cost me $650 per month with a $6,500 deductible with $50 copay at the doctor. My doctor charges me between $55-80 per visit. The whole thing is a scam and just another way of stealing wealth from the private sector to keep the BAU going so it doesn’t all collapse.

              • Try looking for a Direct Primary Care Group. You become a member for a small annual fee. Then only pay when you see someone. The insurance companies boost the bill by 40% or more so your cost will generally be 40% less than previous billings. It does qualify as “coverage” since you pay a membership fee.

                • Anyone company in particular? I’ve never knew that existed.

                  • Wow, New Shit Same Day.. lol

            • Call 1-800-WAA-AAAA.

          • Mac. You need to figure out how to make your offering “post tents” your offering is in the present. They just found out they’ve been screwed all along. That must suck to consider ones self so intelligent and yet so ignorant. Ya gotta love it. People don’t generally get to witness a Karma debt being paid in full.

          • Don’t make a mess of it – shoot straight, you bastards.

            Harry ‘Breaker’ Morant
            (1864 – 1902) Anglo-Australian drover, horseman, poet & soldier

            Same shit, but it’s a good day.

          • Mac, this is one of the best articles you’ve ever brought us. Plus, I’m really surprised you gave out the finger like you did, but that’s OK. I understand and agree. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. This article makes my day. It’s great to see the commies get a dose of their own medicine for a change.

            • I hesitated with the finger, but if it anyone was ever deserving of it, it’s those guys.

              • @ Mac—-

                Dude….I’ve always suspected, you possessed a set of “cast iron balls”..(kudos)!!!

                ..’cuz you’ve tolerated & provided those of us, who’re…ahead of the curve (per truths)..w/ a platform / soap-box, so as to vent & rant.

                THANK YOU, sir!


                Although, few here will grasp/understand, what I’m about to say:


                ..Mac, you & by extension your site..represents the pure American equivalent of: ….

                ..”speakers corner”…located in the old/(& now) bygone ‘real’ English tradition..formally home-based geographically in, “HYDE PARK” London/UK******


                Salute, sir!

                …and thank you!


                ******** = ..intelligent / knowledgeable “blokes” will understand!!!

                • Wow – thank you kindly Hunter — wouldn’t be possible without all you fine folks joining the ‘speakers corner’ !

                  • Mac, Braveheart will ALWAYS be in your corner and standing up for SHTFPlan.com.

                    • Thanks BH!

              • Should have given them THE FINGER with BOTH HANDS!

              • Mac. The Harvard faculty deserve the finger. If nothing else it would encourage some of them to get a prostate exam…
                Hey, they could do it to each other. That should save on doctor’s visits and co-pays.
                And make new friends in the process.

          • Mac Slavo, well said and well drawn. I’d like to extend that same message to the congress critters that exempted themselves from Obamacare.

            • “The faculty is enraged, ENRAGED that what it hoped would only apply to the plebian peasantry is just as applicable to the self-appointed smartest people in the world.”

              ROFLMAO, repeatedly. I had to copy/paste because I couldn’t stop laughing long enough to type. 🙂

              SERVES THEM RIGHT! Nobody should be exempted from obamacare—NOBODY. Misery does love company, and maybe they’ll kill this crap if it affects them too. As long as it’s “just us”, it will never end.

            • I would like to extend it to the worthless RIP-ublicans that voted the boner back in as speaker. Don’t know about your representative’s sites, but ours cowered and has been bashed hard since the news hit.

              Get rid of them all, clean house (both impossible) or face the consequences if you aren’t prepped.

              Thanks Mac for a great site!


          • Come on over to my side Mac. 🙂


            ” ROME “

          • I thought that’s what the replacement for the twin towers should have looked like. Double. Nice work Mac

          • I have a prediction for the New Year: SHTF at Harvard!!! LMAO!!! 🙂

          • Searching for a article few months back that was submitted detailing how one would start prepping and they had 10,000 to spend.

          • MAC, I see you have a third way to vote Up-Down and now Middle finger F-U!!.. Nice.

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          • What disgusts me most is how Congress regularly exempts themselves from every piece of crap legislation they create.

            If it doesn’t apply to them, it shall not apply to us. Everyone or no one. Period.

            • Nobama, spot on comment. what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. double standards are never justifiable.

          • Mac, if you put two hands together, you get the Cisco logo…

          • Ultimately there will be death panels. Refusing service is the only cost control built into ObamaCare, and without cost control it is insolvent.

            Wait till these doctors get death paneled!

            Eat right and stay healthy, ObamaCare is the slow death.

          • Well stated Mac, absolutely agree.

            IQ’s are great for passing exams and opening doors, but common sense is NOT automatically a part of it as so eloquently proven by Harvard profs.

          • Hopefully, when the death panels are put in place, and the max age for treatment is lowered to something like 70, Dr. Garber reaches that age and contracts some horrible form of incurable brain cancer. Then, he goes to seek treatment and is denied although he thought he was one of the “elite” that would get some type of waiver. BTW, did I tell you by this time HAWVAAAD is comprised of nearly 70-80% foreign students (mainly Chinese)as Americans can’t afford to attend. I wish these eugenics freaks nothing but misery. Deo Vindice.

        • hahahahahahahahahahahaha

        • http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/bill-clinton-and-the-pedophile-the-sex-scandal-that-could-destroy-hillarys-presidential-ambitions


          Bitch was paid $15000 for one night of sex and she is still writing a tell all book to get more money. Greedy pig.

          Do I envy the sex lives of the “powerful”? Not really. I couldn’t imagine getting pleasure with a complete stranger. Maybe Im not a sociopath like these turds.

        • These professors are not brilliant. They are dumb as fucking rocks and are not rooted in reality whatsoever. Hopefully they suffer and wake the fuck up. I’m betting they don’t though.

          • FP, I agree. the academics are in a totally different world. they have no idea what people like you and I have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

      2. Great I hope the Bastard chokes on his Obullshit care.
        It couldn’t have happened to a better person.

        • Howdy, Sarge. It’s nice to see the ‘red diaper doper babies’ get a dose of their own medicine. How’s THAT for “hope and change”?

          • TRBH
            You can’t hope for better. Let us all HOPE they choke on it so wee can see a CHANGE for the better!


      4. ABOUT THE WRITER: Dave Barry is a Pulitzer Prize-winning humour columnist for the Miami Herald.

        Colonoscopy Journal:

        I called my friend Andy Sable, a gastroenterologist, to make an appointment for a colonoscopy.

        A few days later, in his office, Andy showed me a colour diagram of the colon, a lengthy organ that appears to go all over the place, at one point passing briefly through Minneapolis.

        Then Andy explained the colonoscopy procedure to me in a thorough, reassuring and patient manner.

        I nodded thoughtfully, but I didn’t really hear anything he said, because my brain was shrieking, ‘HE’S GOING TO STICK A TUBE 17,000 FEET UP YOUR BEHIND!’

        I left Andy’s office with some written instructions, and a prescription for a product called ‘MoviPrep,’ which comes in a box large enough to hold a microwave oven. I will discuss MoviPrep in detail later; for now suffice it to say that we must never allow it to fall into the hands of America ‘s enemies.

        I spent the next several days productively sitting around being nervous.

        Then, on the day before my colonoscopy, I began my preparation. In accordance with my instructions, I didn’t eat any solid food that day; all I had was chicken broth, which is basically water, only with less flavour.

        Then, in the evening, I took the MoviPrep. You mix two packets of powder together in a one-litre plastic jug, then you fill it with lukewarm water. (For those unfamiliar with the metric system, a litre is about 32 gallons). Then you have to drink the whole jug. This takes about an hour, because MoviPrep tastes – and here I am being kind – like a mixture of goat spit and urinal cleanser, with just a hint of lemon.

        The instructions for MoviPrep, clearly written by somebody with a great sense of humour, state that after you drink it, ‘a loose, watery bowel movement may result.’

        This is kind of like saying that after you jump off your roof, you may experience contact with the ground.

        MoviPrep is a nuclear laxative. I don’t want to be too graphic, here, but, have you ever seen a space-shuttle launch? This is pretty much the MoviPrep experience, with you as the shuttle. There are times when you wish the commode had a seat belt. You spend several hours pretty much confined to the bathroom, spurting violently. You eliminate everything. And then, when you figure you must be totally empty, you have to drink another litre of MoviPrep, at which point, as far as I can tell, your bowels travel into the future and start eliminating food that you have not even eaten yet.

        After an action-packed evening, I finally got to sleep.

        The next morning my wife drove me to the clinic. I was very nervous. Not only was I worried about the procedure, but I had been experiencing occasional return bouts of MoviPrep spurtage. I was thinking, ‘What if I spurt on Andy?’ How do you apologize to a friend for something like that? Flowers would not be enough.

        At the clinic I had to sign many forms acknowledging that I understood and totally agreed with whatever the heck the forms said. Then they led me to a room full of other colonoscopy people, where I went inside a little curtained space and took off my clothes and put on one of those hospital garments designed by sadist perverts, the kind that, when you put it on, makes you feel even more naked than when you are actually naked.

        Then a nurse named Eddie put a little needle in a vein in my left hand. Ordinarily I would have fainted, but Eddie was very good, and I was already lying down. Eddie also told me that some people put vodka in their MoviPrep.

        At first I was ticked off that I hadn’t thought of this, but then I pondered what would happen if you got yourself too tipsy to make it to the bathroom, so you were staggering around in full Fire Hose Mode. You would have no choice but to burn your house.

        When everything was ready, Eddie wheeled me into the procedure room, where Andy was waiting with a nurse and an anaesthesiologist. I did not see the 17,000-foot tube, but I knew Andy had it hidden around there somewhere. I was seriously nervous at this point.

        Andy had me roll over on my left side, and the anaesthesiologist began hooking something up to the needle in my hand.

        There was music playing in the room, and I realized that the song was ‘Dancing Queen’ by ABBA. I remarked to Andy that, of all the songs that could be playing during this particular procedure, ‘Dancing Queen’ had to be the least appropriate.

        ‘You want me to turn it up?’ said Andy, from somewhere behind me…

        ‘Ha ha,’ I said. And then it was time, the moment I had been dreading for more than a decade. If you are squeamish, prepare yourself, because I am going to tell you, in explicit detail, exactly what it was like.

        I have no idea. Really. I slept through it. One moment, ABBA was yelling ‘Dancing Queen, feel the beat of the tambourine,’ and the next moment, I was back in the other room, waking up in a very mellow mood.

        Andy was looking down at me and asking me how I felt. I felt excellent. I felt even more excellent when Andy told me that It was all over, and that my colon had passed with flying colours. I have never been prouder of an internal organ.

        On the subject of Colonoscopies…
        Colonoscopies are no joke, but these comments during the exam were quite humorous. A physician claimed that the following are actual comments made by his patients (predominately male) while he was performing their colonoscopies:

        1. Take it easy Doc. You’re boldly going where no man has gone before.

        2. ‘Find Amelia Earhart yet?’

        3. ‘Can you hear me NOW?’

        4 ‘Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?’

        5. ‘You know, in Arkansas, we’re now legally married.’

        6. ‘Any sign of the trapped miners, Chief?’

        7. ‘You put your left hand in, you take your left hand out…’

        8. ‘Hey! Now I know how a Muppet feels!’

        9. ‘If your hand doesn’t fit, you must quit!’

        10. ‘Hey Doc, let me know if you find my dignity.’

        11. ‘You used to be an executive at Enron, didn’t you?’

        12. ‘God, now I know why I am not gay.’

        And the best one of all:
        13. ‘Could you write a note for my wife saying that my head is not up there?’

        • Is that when all the socks lost in the dryer are found?!

        • OMG eppe. This is SO funny. Was laughing out loud in my office!

          Thanks for that. God Bless.

        • Eppe
          Thanks for the laugh. Illinois has had around 5″ of snow with fall temps. to -13 with 15 to 20 mph winds. God I hate winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          Hitting the reloading bench. 8mm, 7mm, 6.8,mm 308, 30-30, 7.62X54R. 30Carbines, 45ACP, 9mm, 357, 38’s, 223’s
          Its all good because I’m be damned if I’m going outside. TOO FRIGGING COLD -30 wind chill.



            • Acid, it’s still cold regardless of how you dress for it. I agree extra layering provides extra protection, but you need to chill out and quit showing your ass.

        • Eppe, that is one of your best yet! Ha to pick myself up from the floor with that one. Now THAT’S the Eppe I admire. Keep them coming. I don’t give a damn what WWTI or anyone else says. Keep that humor coming.

        • Thanks eppe, I needed a good laugh today.


          • Eppe:

            To add one to your story. Looking over the pile of papers I had to sign before the procedure I saw the figure of $1800.

            Must have really made an impression on me.

            Oblivious to the fact that my procedure was over and done, my daughter showed up to take me home. Still drugged, in front of the nurse I told my daughter…”God, Tammy, they charged $1800 and they didn’t do a DAMNED thing.”

            The nurse just smiled and said to my daughter…”She has already been through the procedure and can go home now”.

            We still laugh about it to this day….

            And Eppe: You are not kidding about that huge jug of cleanser. That was the worst part.

            • Howdy, Granny. I noticed our 2 trolls haven’t been around for the past few articles. It’s nice not to hear from them.

        • Although your comment is very funny, I would never get a colonoscopy. They are far more dangerous than we are lead on to believe. See what happened to many people who had colonoscopies had life threatening problems and even died. roarofthewolverine.com/wolverine

          • I am interested but a little afraid to look…my baby had one when she was 9 months. It was pretty traumatic and if I had known then what I know now, no way.

            She has a rare disease and the were looking for megacolon.

          • Sorry, but I Must respectfully disagree. I give anesthesia for dozens of colonoscopies each week. Complications are rare but do happen. I’ve seen more people come in at age 50 with decent sized precancerous polyps, that if they waited to get that colonoscopy would have had full blown cancer. I’ve seen 55 year olds come in for low blood count, never had their screening coloscopy and we found big tumors that turned out to be stage 4 once surgically removed. Colonoscopies don’t just screen for.cancer, they can prevent cancer through the removal of precancerous polyps.

            Make sure your endoscopist is a board certified gastroenterologist. Back in the day mds could train to scope without doing a fellowship. Also ask how mNy.procedures your doctor does a week and their complication rate.

            We abort some procedures because dumb ass patients refuse to follow directions and have a.poor.prep. this.increases your risk of complications. If you are not shitting yellow tinted or clear water you’re not cleaned out.

            • Sorry this post is off topic , but because so many people freak at the thought of a colonoscopy I cannot ethically sit by and allow disinformation prevent someone from having a potentially life saving screening.

              • gotta agree
                a colonoscopy is no big deal
                a minor inconvenience at best

                colon cancer on the other hand…..

                • Thanks NPPH; the visual of shitting yellow or clear water is just what I needed while having coffee. LOL

                  But I do agree that the benefits outweigh the risks for getting a colonoscopy.


                • Well go ahead and get a colonoscopy then but I never will. I’ve had a friend lose his intestines from this procedure. Also if you read wolverine’s story and still want a colonoscopy then may God be with you through the procedure. I’ve heard too many horror stories. Many people I know have had no problems but I don’t want to be the one who does. I am not worried about polyps or cancer. I exercise and eat well. Will that make me exempt from cancer? No, but neither will getting a colonoscopy. Most polyps are benign and rarely turn to cancer. Just another scare tactic to get people to spent $2 to $3 thousand on a risky procedure.

                  “Colon cancer tends to progress slowly, Sheffield said, so early detection is less likely to benefit older adults. At the same time, colonoscopies come with the risk of complications, such as perforation of the intestine, bleeding or incontinence.”

                  If there weren’t considerable risks, why do you have to sign a paper waiving all your rights to sue should complications happen, including death? Sorry, but any procedure that has consequences so serious you need to waive all rights of suing is not worth it. Maybe if someone had blood in my stool, abdominal pain, or or serious symptoms indicative of cancer, they should consider it but only after tests to rule out any other condition have been performed.

                  “Each year over 14 million healthy Americans are getting screened for colon cancer. Of these, according to the report “Complications of Colonoscopy in an Integrated Health Care Delivery System” by the Annals of Internal Medicine, an estimated 70,000 (0.5%) are killed or injured by colonoscopy-related complications. This figure is higher than the total number of annual deaths from colon cancer itself, 22% higher.”

                  Any procedure that kills and injures more people than risk of dying from the disease itself is not worth the risk. And the complications are not minor cramping or infection. It can be perforation of the intestines, incontinence, septic (deadly) infection, intestinal obstruction, and kidney failure. Sorry but I would like to keep my intestines. There is a safer procedure available using a camera pill but will never be approved because it is significantly less expensive (several hundred compared to several thousand dollars) to administer. Research will find a way to “prove” that they don’t work as well as colonoscopies.

                  If you are over 70 and are planning a “routine” colonoscopy because your doctor says you are due for one, please think twice before scheduling. If you do anyway, at least you know the possible consequences.

                  No argument for colonoscopies will change my mind or follow up on comments anymore. Take care. Sorry this was off topic. 🙂

                  • Friend of mine had one and was pronounced clean…several months later he was in ICU with stage 4 cancer through out his guts…died a few days later…makes me wonder…REB

              • gotta agree
                a colonoscopy is no big deal
                a minor inconvenience at best

                colon cancer on the other hand…..

                • I have to agree , npph. Had one a few years ago at 48. It was no big deal. …especially since they fixed my fizzure while they were down there! After suffering with those for two months the colonoscopy was nothing.

          • Colonoscopies are for assholes.

            • Only assholes like to talk about assholes. Thought we ditched the clown joke thief. Nope he poked his low IQ HICK FACE out of his asshole again.

              • Snail, go suck an egg.

        • Now theres the Eppe Ive missed….laughter is good for the soul! REB

      5. It must suck to find out that the socialist programs you supported was meant for you too. The usless Idoits had a use, to be USED!!! HaHaHa sux to be U. You thought you were so cleaver!

        • Hammerun, the CA was only part of the “hope and change” the Kenyan promised us.

          • I meant to say “ACA”. typing too fast.

      6. Another synagogue is trying to scape from the Zionist formed Death Camp named ACA?

        First it was the DC synagogue as their HQ and now is spreading to other American synagogue institutions?

        Don’t worry…the tribe will find a way to protect their own.

        It is funny but check the names of the listed faculties. Where the F$$%$ is Alan Dershowitz the synagogue attorney?

        • Stolz, it’s just another example of what comes around goes around. Sock it to the commies!

        • Here’s perhaps what could be keeping him busy…surprised? I’m not—

          ht tp://gawker.com/alan-dershowitz-sued-by-comic-relief-1677882350

          ht tp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/06/alan-dershowitz-takes-legal-action-after-being-named-with-prince-andrew-in-sex-ring-case/

          ht tp://abovethelaw.com/2015/01/a-second-look-at-the-allegations-against-alan-dershowitz/

      7. I now believe in karma!

        • and it’s a Bitch

      8. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I think I will settle for crying. If I begin laughing I will laugh so hard I will hurt myself and I can’t afford to go see a doctor.

      9. Harvard has an excellent health care plan
        and one that costs employees very little
        especially compared to what a lot of people pay
        they should just shut up about it

        and as far as the criticism of Professor Gruber ?
        I think it is totally unjustified
        he was 100% correct in his opinion of the American public
        or at least a MAJORITY of it

        why do I say this?

        any given year Congress has an approval rating right around
        12-14% at best

        but EVERY election app 95% of the incumbents get voted back in

        WTF ???

        Gruber was right

        • americans will ALWAYS do the right thing, but only after exhausting ALL other possibilities!…marge thatcher, i THINK…

      10. To quote a friend that says this when he sees someone do something totally stupid, to the intelligent folks at Harvard, “Well did you learn anything”? Aaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      11. Omg. Ive been in the medical field for 25 yrs and was crying I was laughing so hard! You MUST submit that to journal of gastroenterolgy,jama, or all medical journals.

      12. That comment was @eppe

        • @ Eppe——–


          –(& cue music..per the stars wars musical score, or maybe “JAWS”)–

          We now have “epiphany” ..per a new-found situational awareness of Obummer-care & its supporters & voters!

          ——-(patented & trademarked, btw)———


          Eppe..your chronology of events and results, relative to said procedure..dovetails nicely w/ my suspicion, that all three branches of government..as a rule..are hooked up to a continuous, non-stop..’cranial/moral’ IV-drip of “Movi-Prep” !!!


          NOTE: **..key word = “cranial/moral”

          .. **said results, sure explains a ‘hell-of-alot’ ..per life under the regime…nowadays!!!!!!!!


          Thanks much, Eppe.

          +1000 up-thumbs to ya for the inside scoop!!!!!!!!!!


          …and to y’all govt types on said IV-feed hook up…

          ..we’ve always suspected y’all had “shit-for-brains” from the beginning!!!


            They can keep suckin but the teat is dry!

          • Well, “Cry Me a River”. With what those ‘commies’ at Harvard are paid, their perceived hardship is laughable.

            • Their “hardship” stems from the realization that they may have lost some of their superior, elite status—in other words, they’re just like the rest of us, subject to obamacare.

      13. HAHA, Always nice to see people like that get screwed over!

      14. I am laughing my butt off right now! Screw these people! They had it coming! The fact that they helped craft their socialist utopia and then have to live under it is great! A few more people might jump off of the socialist bandwagon. Then again, these geniuses probably won’t.

      15. now they should have thier rights to have gun revoked because they have anxiety.

        • They are enlightened. I highly doubt they have guns. Lol

      16. As was stated in the article, that this was “causing distress” and had “generated anxiety”. Maybe this will generate a visit from the local sheriff to search and confiscate any and all firearms and recommend psychiatric evaluation for each and every one of these affected stressed individuals. This is what happened in a previous article about the veteran who had insomnia. Now all we have to hope for is that all those ass-hats in D.C. have to go on OboloCare.

      17. They asked for it what do they expect. Oh how the chickens come home to roost. Lock and Load friends time approaches to give them the whole 9 yards.

        MTCFMF!!//RIP America.

      18. Harvard educated idiots. Karma is a real bitch!

        • karma and MATH, now THERE’S a hell of a pair of BITCHES to draw to!

      19. Hahhahahha

        yep thats all i got for those idiots

      20. Not that smart are they?

      21. O/T , but dang this kid is so unlucky aint he?

        ht tp://www.thedailysheeple.com/mystery-sandy-hook-victim-dies-again-in-pakistan_012015

      22. Breaking News.

        Two NYPD shot in the Bronx, New York

      23. 3 things White House doesn’t want you to know about ObamaCare, plus 3 things coming in 2015 you aren’t going to like

        Here are three crucial changes that the president clearly didn’t want you to know about:

        1. HUGE DEFICITS AND NEW TAXES. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the latest projections for the net cost of ObamaCare over the next ten years are just over $1.4 trillion.

        Whereas President Obama promised in 2009 that it would cost less than $1 trillion over ten years. In order to partially pay for this, ObamaCare has added more than 20 new taxes totaling over $500 billion.

        2. BUREAUCRACY. Speaking of Orwellian politics, ObamaCare includes 159 new boards and agencies to restrict and govern your health care choices.

        3. STILL MORE BUREAUCRACY. Dysfunctional state exchanges with high deductible policies, narrow doctor networks, including federally-run exchanges in 36 states which may not be allowable under the law (SCOTUS currently considering this case).

        Here are three new things coming up in 2015 that you aren’t going to like:

        1. PENALTIES WILL RISE. – INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. In 2014, people are facing a penalty of $95 per person or 1% of income.

        In 2015, the penalty will more than triple to $325 per person or 2% of income, whichever is higher.
        If an American failed to get coverage this year, the penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015.

        2. SERIOUS RATE HIKES FOR CHEAPER OBAMACARE PLANS. According to Investor’s Business Daily, the lowest cost bronze plan will increase an average of 7 % in many cases, the lowest cost silver plan by 9%, and the lowest priced catastrophic policy will climb 18 percent on average.

        Double digit rate hikes are anticipated in several southern and Midwestern states including Kansas, Iowa, Louisiana, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Iowa, and Virginia.

        Subsidies will continue to be a huge part of the program. In 2014, subsidies provided ¾ of the premiums for the federally-run exchanges.

        3. EMPLOYER MANDATE WILL TAKE EFFECT. After being delayed for a year, large businesses (100 or more employees in 2015, 50 or more in 2016) will be required to offer affordable (and subsidized) health plans to at least 70 percent of their full time employees or face a $2,000-$3,000 penalty per employee.

        This mandate will lead to fewer full time employees being hired.



        “Closures by the multitude seen as danger to patients, harbinger of future.”

        “the reasons for the closures aren’t complicated. Most of the victims are smaller hospitals or those in poor areas, which often serve the greatest number of Medicare and Medicaid patients.

        A report at Modern Health Care just a few weeks ago confirmed that among just the critical-access hospitals, which have 25 beds or fewer, there were 14 closures in 10 states in 2013.

        And the federal bureaucracies that set reimbursement rates for needy patients simply aren’t keeping up with the costs, she said.

        Hieb writes that “whereas private insurance might pay the surgeon $4,500 for a spinal surgery (my specialty), Medicare paid less than $1,200.”

        In addition, she says the federal government refuses to pay hospitals for certain services, deeming them “not medically necessary,” regardless of what doctors and patients say.”

        “The result is predictable: economic failure of hospitals and physician practices that have become dependent on government payment for large segments of their population,” Hieb writes. “The hospitals and offices that will close are those with the least private insurance.”

      25. Freakin collectivist progressive garbage,
        Good for them!

      26. Yeah well, I can just imagine that infamous Pen quivering in his pocket, getting ready for another executive order, from the clown who’s never been an executive, to handle this issue.

      27. Cry me a river. When you hang out with thieves you’re not prone to be bypassed. On other news, Boo Hoo Boehner will keep his chair as House Speaker. King Koon will be safe to climb the Empire State Building and swat at bi-planes till the end of his term.

        • Maybe we need a fourth party.

          We should meet in DC last Friday of the month.

          If we get enough people to show up, we will all take a leak in the reflecting pool and march to the Capitol building.

          The new Pee Party will be born.

          “Piss on em”

      28. Yea, well, their copays and deductibles are still lower than mine…

        Besides, I’m sure they were smart enough to hedge their exposure like most on here by buying gold, silver and bitcoin…ha, ha, ha ,ha, ha.

        Sack up and gut the bankers.

      29. No matter how smart they think they are liberals still have no concept of cause and effect. Most people would call them dumb A s s e s.

      30. U.S. Steel to lay off more than 700 due to falling oil prices


        This Oil Thing Is The Real Deal


        according to CNN
        oil is down to $47 a barrel

        I love $2 a gallon gas as much as anybody

        but this is bad bad BAD
        it is an indication of just how damaged the world’s economy is

        quite frankly
        this scares the hell out of me

      31. Love it! Hung by their own petard!

      32. Reminds me of kid’s preschool. Some new law requires them to wash their hands like 5 times a day. When coming into class, before eating, etc. Yet they STILL get the FLU! Here we have do-gooder lawmakers with no knowledge of biology making behavior modification laws (state is your momma laws). Bad par is kid has raw hands now and has to use lotion. Maybe the lobby was by the lotion companies.

        • BTW, super telling for the evolutionists. Do these lawmakers truly believe in evolution? Clearly not. Nor common sense. Mankind hasn’t washed its hands for centuries and now its a requirement to do it 5 times a day. Gimme a break. Seems more like a control strategy and psychological dominance than health concern.

      33. I don’t believe this article. Not a word. I don’t believe anything that comes out of Harvard. Lying sack money grubbing extremists and killers. All those over rated jumped up Ivy League fraudsters are. Cause of nearly all wars and disparity worldwide.

        They all know damned well that Obamacare was just a fat juciy payoff to Wall street before everything gets rolled into single payer… The money they are squealing about paying will end in back in their pockets in due time.

      34. As usual, this is another example of liberal communists and their two-sided madness. They are comfortable when telling others what is good for them to do, until they themselves have to do it. These are the same type of people who cry about how bad capitalism is, yet they themselves are fully into capitalism and luvin the money they make in the system.

      35. With the house vote to re-elect John Boehner as speaker of the house the lid to America’s coffin has been shut.
        As for myself and family along with like minded in our group it is time to go to ground and close the bunker door. Do as you will, think as you will but for us it is over, thinking you can correct the mess is a dream that will never come true. Get to your own bunkers now because things are going to happen very quickly from now on. We do not care if you think we are nuts we see it our way and you may see it different your way. Either way we are all own our own (YOYO). Be safe my friends and may your life what remains of it be joyful with family and GOD.

        MTCFMF!!//RIP America.

        This is Copperheads last words here. The next sound you hear is the bunker door shutting!!!

        • I hope its not your last comment here….always interested in your comments…but if so,be safe and come out better on the other side of this mess! REB

          • @Coppperhead;
            I agree with REB, do as you see fit, but I would like to see you hang around.


        • Copperhead, it can get a lot worse before TSHTF. Imagine bookburning by Qin (Chin-a). Yes, tacking of human activity is along that lines. One reason to use this site is its one of the last that allow free posting. Most require you to tie to Google or Yahoo. Both of these will deactivate your account if you do not provide a real name, and, now, apparently, a phone number. For several months Google has tried all sorts of nefarious gimics to get my to enter phone numbers. So, don’t panic just yet. There may be SHittingTF for some years to come. As it it already hitting in the USA. Others are just closing their eyes and nose.

        • Copperhead, I understand and respect that it’s your decision, but Braveheart also likes to read your comments. My best to you and try to make it to the other side of all this shit.

      36. Awwww, poopsie.

        These professors have been coddled and protected in academia and have lived sheltered lives despite not having any useful or meaningful skills. As soon as they have to taste a little bit of what the regular working Joe has to deal with, they go crying to their mommas. What a pathetic bunch of whiners and useless baggage to society.

      37. Typical pompous bastards! We are NOT your guinea pigs in some social studies experiment-gone-wrong…I hope you fall in the pile of shit you created and have to pay your deductile and out-of-pocket cost at the nearest ER…if it’s in your stinkin’ network!

        As for me, I refuse to buy insurance off the website or anywhere else….fine me….go ahead.

      38. They don’t live in the real world with consequences but the real world has come to them.

        Welcome to reality.

        • Kevin2, they had a taste of OUR world, the REAL world, and cried and whined over it. they couldn’t survive in post-SHTF for shit.

      39. Its fine they get caught in their own trap 🙂 but still it does me little good to see the idiots have to pay when they got me in the same trap too…in other words lets scrap obama care as soon as possible before it kills us all…it makes criminals out of us all…at least those of us who refuse to comply! REB

      40. Good job geniuses buried yourselves. Socialism if your poor you will get the crappy plan if you have skills and talents the state needs you get the silver plan if your the CEO of a major corporation you get gold plan if your gov leaders you get platinum. Nothing has changed really just gov so involved they wanted a cut of the $

      41. It going to shit people these college professors do a study and their findings are taken by the gov as the word of god. These college people have no common sense they can’t even change a spare tire. Their intelligence is in another realm. Far from the way everyday folks think .this really doesn’t surprise me at all. Come shtf I won’t show these people how to do anything they are a bunch of know it alls they can figure it out.

      42. Well laugh all we want..but these pointed headed over paid so called intellectuals are laughing all the way to the bank..

        Their co pay is minuscule to the rest of us..

        and their salaries are all in the 6 figure range..

        and they nurture and produce nearly all the nefarious luciferian bastards that run the damned world..politically and economically..especially here in the once known nation as the u.s.

        Harvard is a vipers nest..at the least.

        Their selective outrage is a tad laughable..


        fuck them


        • I agree.

          Fuk Harvard & their shitty academic credentials… Their stupid children all blow their Harvard parents money on rap music by publlic school dropouts… LOL

          Real smart set!

          • Oh but what about those Princeton grads, like the “kid” that just killed his father (posted on ZH).

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