Obama to Shut Down Southern Air Defense Systems: “It Will Be Open Season for Terrorists Flying In With Nukes, Low Altitude Missiles, Or Even Full Scale Invasion of America”

by | Jan 23, 2013 | Headline News | 340 comments

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    As the U.S. government continues to expand surveillance and monitoring systems to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars within the borders of the United States, a recent announcement regarding the country’s southern air defense systems is raising eyebrows.

    Our southern border is, in part, protected by the Tethered Aerostat Radar System (TARS), which utilizes moored balloons hovering at about 15,000 feet to identify low flying aircraft and missiles that may penetrate the border and cross into U.S. airspace.

    The system is utilized by the U.S. Air Force, North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD),  and U.S. Customs and Border Protection for a number of missions including detection of drug smuggling and preservation of the air sovereignty of the continental United States.

    According to Exelis Systems Corporation, the company that built and jointly maintains TARS with the U.S. Air Force, the government has ordered a complete shutdown of Aerostat flight operations:

    The government also indicated its intent that aerostat flight operations will cease on March 15, 2013, and that the remainder of the fiscal year will be used to deflate aerostats, disposition equipment, and prepare sites for permanent closure. We are currently reviewing all the details of the RfP and evaluating the possible impacts on the program and our workforce. We continue to communicate with the government on this matter, and we will have more information in the coming days and weeks.

    An Exelis employee close to the TARS project had this to say about the closure of the sites:

    “Not only will this closure mean hundreds of people will be out of jobs, but it also means our borders will not be safe, especially along the remote U.S. Mexico Border like in Texas.

    These defense radars detect low flying aircraft infiltrating our borders.

    Without these defense radars, low flying aircraft will go undetected.

    It will be open season for any drug/gun/slave smugglers, terrorists flying in with nukes, low altitude missiles, or even a full scale low elevation invasion/attack against America.”

    With China actively and openly deploying Russian-made low altitude strategic bombers, designing EMP weapons capable of disabling the country’s power grid infrastructure, and establishing economic zones within the United States, it’s difficult to imagine the motivation behind the move to further weaken U.S. air defenses on the southern border.

    If September 11, 2001 was any indication of our air defense capabilities, and considering that any ground invasion of the United States would originate on our southern border, then wouldn’t we want as many early warning systems as possible to be actively protecting our country in these specific areas?

    The U.S. government has chosen to shutdown this outward facing surveillance system, and has instead turned the surveillance inward, on the American people.


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      1. Well this tactic makes Obama’s 2009 fly-over the NYC Twin Tower region sensible. I wonder if he plans to do another fly-over now. You know….just to give ’em the “all’s clear” signal….

        • “Turn the surveillance inward” isn’t that what they have been doing for the last four years? Again, they will get away with it because there is no one willing or able to stop them. Most of the pigs in washington are cowards and looking out for themselves and their familys only. We used to be able to say that there were a lot more of us then them but not anymore. The kool-aid drinkers outnumber the freedom seekers and the patriots now. Every man for himself as the saying goes.

          Hillary Clinton is a sack of shit, she looked like a bobble head when she wasn’t spewing lies out of her mouth. What the hell, motioning her head up and down constantly. This is what we have leading us down the path to hell. Liers, cheats, atheists, vile elite monsters. This is not a free society any longer, this is a dictatorship and their intentions are to serve their best interests, not the people of America.

          They actually hate us and anyone on their band wagon is doomed but they will follow quietly and without question. Mind control through manipulation and black mail. You want your free entitlements on the backs of the middle class then bow to us and vote for us. The leaders of America today are devils in disguise, more than half the country has sold their souls for a piece of bread.

          • Hillary testified, or I mean lied today at Benghazi hearings, if you saw it you would have seen her psycho bobble head behavior. They heaped praise upon the elite little bitch, she is just a carpet bagger with a dirt bag husband.

            • Washington D.C. and the poli tics are becoming more and more inundated with dark demonic spirits.


                  • Yes Jadore, they’ve been working on it since 1945 when we ratified the U.N. Treaty. The ones who are turning America over to the New World Order are now in power. You see, Jadore, all the nations of the earth have to be economically ,militarily and Spiritually leveled and ten (l0) regional governments moved into place. People have been screaming their heads off since 1945 trying to get this point across, but the satanically inspired media have attempted to hide the facts from the American people and damned to the north pole anyone who would expose the plan. It’s here now in spades.

                • @noname
                  Exactly. We have poured so much into securing our Southern borders and lmost nothing into the Northern. New systems have come online like the space fence refrenced above and I am sure that there are many more.

                  Since the Repub’s have failed us again in getting spending cuts I for one am glad to see at least some thing being cut. Albeit I am sure that it is being done because some one at Exelis didn’t pay enough to a politician to keep it going.

                  • I could close them with puff the magic dragon look it up on line Vietnam gunship still in service today

                • Why, didn’t you know? Mexico is going to be part of the US soon. The North American Union is NOT dead, just camouflaged so you don’t see it coming. You know, like those billion dollar stealth bombers.

                  Besides that, we don’t have any money after we set up anti-missile defense systems in Europe to protect them from Russian … oops! … Muslim missiles. And we have to build a bigger base in Australia so we can ‘contain’ China. And there are those billions being spent to enlarge our fortress … er … Embassy in Manila, and … and …

                • 1.9 Billion when the nations broke, I believe more in
                  Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.
                  President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…
                  Obama: (reaching over and putting his hand on Mr. Medvedev’s knee): This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.
                  President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir. Comrade.

                • noname; How correct you are. Several points on the OP. 1. They aren’t stopping surveillance, as you said they are replacing the TARS system with an updated radar. The TARS is currently carrying an L-88 or L-88 (V3) radar, which is an older traditional L-band radar with a multi-tracking look-down, low altitude capability and a range of 200nm. It is being replaced with an EL/M-2083 Phased-Array radar. The new radar can, do multi-track intercepts, guide multiple launched guided munitions (rocket interceptors), has almost twice the range, can do high and low altitude missions concurrently and can track a “significant” number of targets. A real improvement. While it does feed NORAD, it is a SECONDARY feed. It is (the system) mostly used for drug interdiction. 2. The Tu-22M3 is a mid 1970s era plane. There’s a reason the Russians sold it to the Chinese, they quit building it in 1993 and only have 80 or less functional aircraft. They used it mostly for maritime missions, although they don’t use them much at all, anymore. Yeah, the Chinese can build all the brand new 1976 aircraft they want as far as I’m concerned. Now, that’s not to say that the planes aren’t dangerous to second tier countries or dangerous in a maritime role. I think they just want them to sell to other countries, more than use them themselves. Manned bombers, while not completely obsolete, will not penetrate the southern border. There are OTHER assets that have been in place for years that take care of that mission. 3. While I certainly agree that EMP weapons have the potential to cause a 90% death rate, it will wind up being world wide, not isolated to the U.S. The U.S. would take that as an act of war and respond in kind. Yeah, China lobs one or two in here and can turn the clock back to the 1700s in about 3 minutes. Course Karma is a bitch and she’ll be pissed. 20 MIRVed SLBMs (one submarine, 200 warheads) coming back over the earth in return would make it not worth the effort to the Chinese. They would have a 95% death toll in less than 25 minutes. Small nuclear type EMPs are VERY difficult to produce that are dependably accurate on EMP yield. And none of that has anything to do with the Russians getting involved, just out of self defense. 4. I doubt 9-11 is an indication of our actual air defense capabilities. The fly in that ointment being that it was WITHIN our airspace and were DOMESTIC aircraft. NORAD filters commercial air out of their displays unless notified to bring them up. It did of course bring the issue of commercial air as a TACTICAL threat to the fore which was needed. Good catch noname!

                  • You assume that the two nuclear armed subs China has off of our coasts would not decimate the US as soon as missiles lifted off somewhere in the world? China has the capability to take down the US anytime it wants, just as Russia did during the cold war. And, just who’s side do YOU think Russia would be in in this war? They still have thousands of nukes and many of them are still aimed at the Us. Look at where Russia and China are on the map and where the lonely Us is. Oceans apart. Dangerous oceans.

                  • Makati1; Well, since someone doesn’t want me to respond to you, it requires me to respond to myself to answer you. while the Chinese have developed the Type 094 submarines, they STILL have (compared to Russian and U.S. sub forces) some shortcomings. If you think they can evade our fast-attack class subs, even the Los Angeles class subs, much less the Virginia class, then you don’t understand the U.S. capabilities. Soviet subs, which are vastly superior to Chinese subs, almost never give the slip to our fast attack subs, ever. Used to track subs for USStrikeCom and that ain’t happening (clandestine launch against us). At most, IF UNMOLESTED, Chinese subs have 30 weapons per boat (subs are boats BTW, not ships) and they only have 2 Type 094s that could operate that way, presuming they aren’t already targeted by fast attacks when they start to launch, which sort of negates them from being a threat. China does have nuclear weapons, but their best, at this time, are their land based ICBMs, not their SLBMs. China, from submarines, is NO threat to the U.S. Also, China and Russia are not allies. China could really bloody our nose, but they would cease to exist, if they pushed the issue. Their strategy is to “make us blink”. If they can do that, they win, but that is a political issue, not a strategic issue. If not, well it would suck to be Chinese. We can wax their asses with out breaking much of a sweat and without a great deal of loss. So we lose SF, LA, SD and Seattle….oh, well. Lot of blue state votes that won’t matter any more. Maybe that would be a good thing. Don’t know, just sayin’. Be well.

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              • Texas Democratic Congressman Jack Brooks* sold out gun owners in 1994
                when he voted for the “assault weapon ban” that year after making a deal
                with President Bill Clinton. Is another sell-out deal now in the works?

                It’s probably a harbinger of sell-outs to come. But Senate GOP Leader
                Mitch McConnell is apparently about to conclude an agreement with
                Majority Leader Harry Reid which would sell out pro-gunners and decimate
                minority rights under the Senate rules.

                This change could occur as early as Wednesday. If enacted, it could
                handcuff pro-gun forces and keep them from defeating the most radical
                initiatives aimed at restricting our Second Amendment rights.

                The first of two changes would allow Harry Reid — and only Harry Reid
                — to circumvent the hurdles that the minority could use to slow down a
                controversial gun control bill.

                As you may remember from the fight over the anti-gun ObamaCare bill, the
                filibuster of the “motion to proceed” is the last point where
                pro-gunners can delay a bill before Harry Reid can bribe Senators and
                buy votes with deals like the infamous Cornhusker Kickback.

                If Reid follows this procedure, McConnell could offer two “germane”
                amendments on behalf of Republicans. But given the willingness of
                Democrats to destroy the Senate rules by brute force, you can expect
                them to drastically limit what amendments would be considered “germane,”
                thus restricting the ability of the minority to effectively filibuster
                an anti-gun bill.

                The second Reid-McConnell amendment would make it virtually impossible
                to stop a bill from going to House-Senate conference committee.

                Currently, if pro-gunners suspect that Democrats intend to take a tiny
                bill and write comprehensive gun control in a House-Senate conference,
                they can stop the bill from going to conference and require that it be
                bounced back-and-forth in an amendable form — what is known as
                ping-ponging — between the two houses.

                But this Reid-McConnell change would allow Reid to force a conference to
                prevent the minority from, once again, stopping gun control legislation
                from being written in a conference committee and crammed down Senators’
                throats on a take-it-or-leave it basis.

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                * Jack Brooks, Former Texas Congressman, Dies at 89

              • Washington D.C.: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

            • I watched a little. Looks like Hillary getting her health
              I heard that Bill Clinton was leaving a meeting the other day when someone shouted a question. “Hey Bill, how’s Hillary’s head, to which Bill replied ” NOT AS GOOD AS MONICA’S

              • Hillary needs a Dirty Sanchez. Volunteers wanted.

              • Not only do you get a thumbs up, but an atta-boy or girl!

                I needed a good laugher…I will be sure to pass that one on!

                Actually, I was kind of surprised to see her…thought she was dead…you know how they operate when faith is lost…

              • High Noon: He he he, good one.

            • to: live free. I did not listen to any more than the intro by the dem ,from i think it was new york or conn?
              I knew it was all a sham from the beginning,turned it off and saved an hour of my life.

              • I only watched for about 7 more minutes to see hill begin the yarn…by tuning out, you missed that pussy jeff sessions lick her feet.

                God help us by keeping them all in play during our time of turmoil…please keep them in our reach…we have always been in theirs. Amen.

            • I believe Hillary Clinton is “The Face of the NWO”. I predict that they WILL put her in the Oval office in 2016, no matter what, and SHE will finish what Obummer didn’t get done.

              Think about it. The white racist, elitist Zionists that are the NWO, have exploited Christian Biblical teachings several times. This shows their contempt for Christians.

              In the Bush administration, the officials who were caught lying the most were African-Americans (Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell). We know they think blacks are animals and who better suited to publicly become liars? This shows their contempt for the African race that they’ve devastated on their own continent. BOTH Rice and Powell were well respected before the Bush administration used them for their own ends.

              Virtually all of the mass murderers are white males. This shows their contempt for the white, Christian middle class. The fact that they are all young may speak to the contempt for the next generation.

              In 2016, the white racist, elitist Zionists that are the NWO, will exploit a woman. There is a reason for this and we should all know it.

              In the Bible, it was Eve who brought down humankind and facilitated our fall from grace — a woman. It fits perfectly with the pattern I see before me.

              Hillary Rodham Clinton is the foremost female in politics today. It’s easy to see she is being protected and guided by her handlers, and that only means they have plans for her later. This will show the Zionist contempt for the “unclean” woman who was the downfall of man, Adam.

              I may be wrong, but I don’t think so. I guess we’ll see in a few years…

              • Like so many things, the best chance of understanding is “to follow the money.”

                Want to understand how Christianity was subverted? “Follow the money” to Scoffield and you will quickly understand the Zionist takeover of “Christianity.’

                While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the “any moment now” rapture doctrine.

                Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following his Illuminati connections to New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which he listed as his residence for the next twenty years.

                It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League, THE SAME SAMUEL UNTERMEYER WHO STARTED WORLD WAR 2 with his 1934 declaration of war on behalf of World Jewry against Germany.

                Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the people who financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his concordance.

                This is, of course, a nauseatingly familiar pattern for two millennia.

                Want to know more about how Christianity was subverted?

                Read Rabbi Newman’s book-length boast about you-know-who’s influence:

                Jewish Influence on Christian Reform Movements
                by Rabbi Louis I. Newman


                You don’t even have to buy it. You can read it online:


            • Carpet MUNCHER is more like it! Can’t stand her or her sleazy, skirt chasing husband. Come to think of it, I pretty much hate all liberals. They are driving the country full speed ahead to ruin.

            • Testilied

          • How can you talk about a ‘free’ society then mention Atheists in a negative light?

            Your intolerance is obvious and your commitment to freedom questionable when you say things like that.

            Just because I do not believe in a silly fairy tale doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate freedom or know how to defend it.

            If you are going to spew hate, please direct it at the responsible parties, not simply people you disagree with.

            • thank you. it seems to me that if you aren’t christian around these parts, you’re part of the problem.

              • That is because, most of the time, Atheists are liberals because they have rebelled against, what they see as conservative, Christian doctrine.

                I can respect Atheists because you have hope. I can respect most religions, however, I do not respect the religion of hate and death, AKA islam.

                May I ask you some questions?

                If you are an Atheist (notice I do capitalize your faith, a distict priv I deny islam) you believe there is no god, correct? Do you believe in the soul or any metaphysical attributes of humans, animals or The Earth? Is Atheism the rejection of those things? Enlighten me, please. Thanks!

                (Any other Atheists, please chime in…)

                • Until the ‘soul’ or ‘spirits’ can be observed with the microscope (or any other detection device) and quantified by the scientific process, I do not ‘believe’ in such things.

                  In fact, due to the ‘interpretation’ aspect of religious rituals or traditions or beliefs, it is certifiable to think that a religion should be placed in a position of authority.

                  At what point do you cross the line from something being a devine act to being just plain crazy?

                  As this is America, we are a nation of immigrants, a melting pot. There currently and always has been several different religions being practiced within our borders. To single one out is entirely unfair and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That is why government has no business in religious affairs and religious affairs have no business in the government.

                  Religion is not a science, there is nothing factual or repeatable in religious assumptions or assertions. Only tradition. Something like that is an aberration that cannot be pinned down and specified. Because of that, NO ONE will EVER live up to another’s religious expectations.

                  Even among the same religion, sects break out and people begin infighting. Of course this type of thing is not limited to religions.

                  However, religion is a very personal thing. How one prays, believes, worships is and should always be a personal matter. Otherwise who are you doing it for?

                  But ultimately, If I believed in a ‘higher power’ it would be energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it just changes from one form to another, it is eternal. When I die, my minerals will be reacquired by the soil and transmitted back to the multitude of beings that still manage to exist on this tortured planet (thanks to our species).

                  The earth is a gift, whether from god or from the observed processes of interstellar accretion, it is the only home we have. When people tell me in the same breath that we shouldn’t care about the planet because it is paganism or something stupid like that and then that they believe in god, I shudder.

                  There belief in god has done nothing to enlighten them or to convince them to care for the only accessible thing in this universe that provides for us.

                  • Timothy; Just playing the Devil’s advocate ( ;-} ) here. So if I gather you are sincere about what you just posted, then you aren’t atheistic but agnostic. Also, you know you can’t see love under a microscope either, but I don’t think anyone would deny it’s existence. Just sayin’. Be well.

                • I want to make a couple more observations before I call (my contribution to) this conversation over but first I want to apologize for referring to religion as a fairy tale. You all know I have gotten on other peoples cases before for being insulting to the religious. Using profanity, name calling and the like so you know I am not in the habit of being disrespectful.

                  The one thing I wanted to point out is that Christians and Jews often point out how barbaric or terrible the Muslim people are. Well here is something to ponder..

                  They actually live by the words of their holy book. If Christians or Jews did the same, they would be just as barbaric.

                  So in that regard I have more respect for people of the islamic faith as they do as their good book says. They are being honest. Christians on the other hand, pick and choose which parts of the bible they want to follow and for that, I am thankful.

                  I appreciate that you do not drive me off or get too crazy with hate speech against me. But know that every time someone tries to blame the worlds problems on Atheism, I will speak up.

                  I would like to believe that Christians would be civil and respectful in a post collapse scenario but only time will tell.

                  The other point is about what someone mentioned regarding atheism being a depressing or empty world view. This is entirely backwards. As atheists, we see the world and the universe in all it’s glory, from the majestic dance of two neutron stars orbiting one another to the beautiful songs of the Bird of Paridise, and all of the connections in between that lead to you and me.

                  It truly is a wonderful existence and a gift to be alive. Atheists treasure our lives, maybe more so than the faithful as we see this one as the only one, to be lived to the fullest.


                  • there is a difference between christians and a christian.

                    GWB says he is a christian.
                    BHO says he is christian.
                    Hillary says she is christian.
                    GHB said he was a christian.
                    Bill said he was a christian.
                    Hell even Romney in a flip flop said he was christian.( this one was a joke :p )

                  • Hey Tim, Good post. I enjoyed all your points, and yes, I am a Christian. Ex-Catholic with no church. The only thing I can say is that when we both die, one of us will be correct in our beliefs. Either we both know the truth or we don’t. Peace.

              • Atheists decided it was time to tell God that He wasn’t needed any more, so they sent their most intelligent representative to give God the news.

                “God, we have really advanced our knowledge. We can do miraculous things. We are reaching out to the stars. We are investigating subatomic particles. We can even clone life. We really don’t need you any more, we don’t want you in the public sphere, and we just wish you would go away.”

                God didn’t have to think long about it.

                “I tell you what. Why don’t we have a man-making contest? If you can make a man, I will go away just as you ask.”

                The Atheist very smugly said, “Sure!” as he reached down to gather a handful of dirt—but God interrupted him:

                “You don’t understand. You have to make your own dirt.”

              • asian prep: But only from the most devoted Christians will you get this backlash/thumbs down. They believe they speak for God so they spew thier so called ‘righteous indignation’ at the rest of us. The truth is they are a bunch of deluded nut jobs who are full of anger towards those that disagree with them. They are no more Christian than my dog. Jesus said that “a tree is known by the fruit it bares”. If they come across as nasty then they are phonies-period. A true Christian would pray for others but not these hate-mongers, so don’t worry about them because they are not real.

                • You are such a prophet, Greg8, and so wise. We should follow you. [laughing]

            • Timothy,

              In my opinion the word atheist is negative, not believing in God. Sorry if you think it is spewing hate but atheists want to remove all religion from sight, they want to take away from our kids the belief in their creator, take away the comfort of knowing that God is always with them and will be for an eternity.

              You can not prove evolution but you are forcing your hatred of the Lord upon those that believe. You will not find political correctness in my words, I will stand up for God and I will stand against anyone who denies him.

              Who are the responsible parties? Religion is slowly becoming a bad word and people like you are helping to destroy the foundation of this once great country. I pitty you.

              • I fail to see how an ‘Atheist’ can take away the comfort you get from your faith in god?

                If you mean by removing religion form PUBLIC places and policies, then the problem is that you have a lack of faith or need the government to enforce and encourage your faith.

                Atheists don’t give a flying ‘f’ what craziness you want to believe or inflict on your children, that is your right as a free individual. But when politicians are forced to swear oaths or citizens are forced to follow blue laws to accommodate the religious, that is a violation of our rights as non-believers not to have your beliefs shoved down our throats.

                Church state separation benefits everyone. It keeps the government out of your faith and your faith out of the government.

                • There is no such phrase, “separation of Church and State”, in the constitution…only the establishment clause.

                  • FRMB; you are exactly right that it is NOT in the Constitution, however, the phrase was contemporary to our forefathers, i.e. “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”….Thomas Jefferson, 1802! There was a love/hate relationship with formal religions. There are numerous other similar quotes by other founding fathers. Having said that, the current rendition of “separation of church and state” is a creation of the liberal-progressive judiciary of the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. This vulgarity and out and out hatred of established religion is NOT what our forefathers meant though. Be well.

                • “Atheists don’t give a flying ‘f’ what craziness you want to believe or inflict on your children,”

                  “Inflict” on our children? It’s NOT a disease and it sure isn’t “craziness”.

                  Everywhere I look there is some atheist a-hole trying to take down a cross or the ten commandments or anything else related to God.

                  No where do I see a person of faith trying to take away anything from an atheist. If anything they would GIVE you something if only you were willing to take it.

                  • That’s because atheists aren’t trying to shove anything down peoples throat. They are simply trying to defend the constitution.

                    There is a reason we have state / church separation. It was one of the MOST vital aspects of our constitution specifically because of the power and influence of the church of England.

                    If you were smart, you would support the separation clause as well. If it were removed, then it would be all out war amongst the quadrillions of different fairy tale stories as to which one would get to claim the government for themselves.

                  • Timothy, the statements are there to keep the state our of the church business, directly and vica-versa. Freedom *OF* religion, not freedom *FROM* religion.

                    Atheism, in and of itself, is a religion. It is a religion of anti-god. It is a faith. You no more know that there is *NO* God than I know there *IS* a God. For every “proof” you come up with, I can come up with spiritual proof to refute it. I do, however, respect all people that are respectable, regardless of religion, with three exceptions:

                    Scientology – Its a cult.
                    Satanism – Its anti-human. Thats just dumb.
                    Islam – Also anti-human, the religion of hate and violence.

                    I can stomach the rest as long as you’re respectable which means you’re peaceful, honest and kind. I know plenty of Athiests that are those.

                  • NunjoBizness,

                    People like Timothy are a disease infiltrating our schools, our government, our political correctness and ultimately our children’s beliefs and values. Anything goes in this society and there are barely any boundaries left. The athiests say they do not want to shove their beliefs down our throats yet they pay for signs on busses, tunnels, bridges and billboards denouncing God and what he stands for. This disease will never enter my home and I pray never my children’s beliefs. Atheists want to take away the one thing that keeps so many children and adults on the straight road.

                    The atheist message is void of hope, everlasting life and spirituality. They are to be pitied but also kept at arms length. Timothy has shown aggression and anger which I find interesting, how can one get infuriated over something that they profess to not believe in. Something is amiss.

                  • @netranger Please tell me how the logic works that leads you to believe that I am ‘anti-god’? I do not have faith or belief in such a concept so how can I be anti- something that doesn’t exist in my mind?

                    I am not anti-god, I am anti ignorance and anti-manipulation through generations of traditional hocus pocus.

                    If you would read history you would realize that religion is and has always been nothing more than a tool for control.

                    The reason why religion is no longer supported by TPTB is because they no longer need it to control the masses, now they have a new found power called debt and wage slavery.

                  • How can you say it is not ‘craziness’? The twin towers, the inquisition, the crusades, suicide bombers, the bible? These are all sociopathic actions or writings done in the name of god.

                • TImothy,
                  Do you realize every right enshrined in the Constitution comes from Judeo Christian principles and Natural Law? To renounce Christian beleifs from the constitution means you renounce our constitution. Like most atheists you conveniently forget that.

                  Show me also where it says there is an absolute separation of church and state? And context bc if I remember correctly all that is mentioned and I’m paraphrasing is the government shall not establish a state or official religion over amother. What that means is the government can’t name a specific religion like Episcopalian over Catholicism as the states official religion mugh like a state officially choosing what their state flower is.

                  Maybe you should read about the Founding of our country and stop promulgating revisionist progressive historical LIES!

                  • I have been involved in atheists civil rights for almost a decade. What you preach is utter misinformation. The constitution was based on reason (for the most part, remember slavery was still commonplace) not all of the founding fathers were Christian, many of them were deists.

                    If you want to know what judeo christian values are, maybe you should actually READ the bible, not the warm and fuzzy parts your preacher tells you to read, but the whole bible, all the wonderful parts that encourage the following behaviors.

                    Taken from a website on the bible:

                    It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

                    The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

                  • The Establishment Clause is the first of several pronouncements in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, stating,
                    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . .
                    The Establishment Clause is immediately followed by the Free Exercise Clause, which states, “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. These two clauses make up what are called the “Religion Clauses” of the First Amendment.[1]
                    The Establishment Clause has generally been interpreted to prohibit 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress, or 2) the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. The first approach is called the “separation” or “no aid” interpretation, while the second approach is called the “non-preferential” or “accommodation” interpretation. The accommodation interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.

                  • Law Contradictions of the Bible:

                    10) Shall we obey the law? Romans 13:1-7 says quite clearly that Christians are to submit to the law and regard it as the institution of God. 1 Peter 2:13-14 “Submit your self to every ordinance of man … to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors.” Matthew 22:21 “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.” Also see Titus 3:1. Matthew 23:2-3 & Ecclesiastes 8:2 This leads one to assume that Christians must and should obey the law, yet look at these verses which contradicts what I just sited. Acts 5:29 “We ought to obey God rather then men.” Exodus 1:17-20 shows God punishing the midwives for following their rulers instead of God. Also see Daniel 3:16-18, 6:7-10, Acts 4:26 & 27, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 23:11, 24 & 33-35 which all say the law should be ignored. Now we know why Christians get away with their selective morality so often.

                    11) Should we steal? (Exodus 20:15 & Leviticus 19:13) Stealing is absolutely forbidden. Yet, Exodus 3:21-22, 12:35-36 & Luke 19:29-34 all promote stealing.

                    12) Should we judge? Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:1-2: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.” Also see Luke 6:37 & 1 Corinthians 5:12. Now take a look at “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Also note 1 Corinthians 5:12 & 6:2-4.

                    1 3) Should we covet? Exodus 20:17 says, “Thou shalt not covet . . . anything that is thy neighbor’s,” while 1 Corinthians 12:31 says, “Covet earnestly the best gifts.” So, are we or are we not to covet?

                    14) Is lying okay? Exodus 20:16. Proverbs 12:22 & Revelations 21:8 all say lying is forbidden. Joshua 2:4-6, Exodus 1:18-20 & 1 Kings 22:21-22 all support lying.

                    15) Can we kill? Exodus 20:13 says “thou shalt not kill”. Exodus 32:27, Numbers 31, and THOUSANDS of other verses show God commanding us to kill.

                    16) Can we own slaves? Leviticus 25:45 “Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy … and they shall be your possession… they shall be your bondmen forever.” Genesis 9:25 “And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.” Exodus 21:2 & 7 “If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing… And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.” Joel 3:8 “And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the Lord hath spoken it.” Luke 12:47-48 [Jesus speaking] “And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes.” Colossians 3:22

                    “Servants, obey in all things your masters.” So obviously the Biblical God thinks slavery is right, right? Just look at these: Isaiah 58:6 “Undo the heavy burdens… let the oppressed go free, … break every yoke.” Matthew 23:10 “Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.” (Also see Exodus 22:21 & 21:16) Let it be known here that pro-slavery Bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than cited here. I simply do not have the room to post all of them.

                    17) What about Improvidence? Improvidence is enjoined in Luke 12:3 “Sell that ye have and give alms.” also in Luke 6:30 & 35 “Give to every man that asketh of thee, and of him that taketh away thy goods, ask them not again … And lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward shall be great.” Also note Matthew 6:28, 31 & 34. Improvidence is condemned in I Timothy 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. “ Also see Proverbs 13:22.

                    18) What does the law say about anger? Ephesians 4:26 says “Be ye angry and sin not not.” Anger is disapproved in Ecciesiastes 7:9 “Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry; for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.” Proverbs 22:24 “Make no friendship with an angry man.” Also see James 1:20.

                    19) Are we to let our good works be seen? Matthew 5:16 “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works.” This contradicts verse Matthew 6:1 , “Take heed that you do not your alms before men, to be seen of them.”

                    20) Should we pray in public? 1 Kings 2:22, 54 & 9:3 shows the Lord is joyed by public prayer and listens intently. Matthew 6:5-6 condemn public prayer and command people keep it a secret.

                    21) Can we wear long hair? Judges 13:5 & Numbers 6:5 encourages people to grow their hair and insists it is a source of strength. 1 Corinthians 11:14 calls long hair a “shame”.

                    22) Should we circumcise males? Genesis 17:10 “This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and thy seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised. Clearly this demands circumcision, yet Galatians 5:2 says “Behold, I Paul, say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.”

                    23) Are there certain kinds of foods we should not eat? Deuteronomy 14:2-8 lists several animals that we are NOT to eat because they are “unclean”, “chew the cud” and “divide the hoof”. Yet Genesis 9:3 & 1 Corinthians 10:25 insists there is nothing we can’t eat. Romans 14:14 says: “There is nothing unclean of itself.”

                    24) Can we take oaths? Numbers 30:2, Genesis 21:23-24, 31, 31:53 & Hebrews 6:13 says that we can take oaths and encourages it. Matthew 5:34 says “swear (make an oath) not at all.”

                    25) Can we get married? Genesis 2:18, 1:28, Matthew 19:5 & Hebrews 13:4 all insist marriage is honorable. Marriage is disapproved and scorned in 1 Corinthians 7:1 & 7:7-8.

                    26) Can we commit adultery? Exodus 20: 14 “thou shalt not commit adultery.” Also see Hebrews 13:4. Now look at Numbers 31:18, Hosea 1:2 & 2:1-3 where adultery is advocated by God.

                    27) Can we drink alcohol? Proverbs 31:6-7, 1 Timothy 5:23 & Psalms 104:15 all encourage drinking and intoxication. Proverbs 20:1 & 23:31-32 discourage drinking and intoxication.

                    28) Do women have rights? Genesis 3:16 “And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.” 1 Timothy 2:12 says a woman must not teach, remain silent and must be subjugated to her man. 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 1 Peter 3:6 both say that women have limited rights and are under control of their men. Judges 4:4, 14-15, 5:7, Acts 2:18 & 21:9 all tell of powerful women who were not subjugated by men and were not punished for their authority of men.

                    29) Should we obey our masters with usurped authority? Colossians 3:22-23 & 1 Peter 2:18 says we should. 1 Corinthians 7:23 “Be not ye the servants of men.” Also see Matthew 4:10 & 23:10 which say we should not submit usurped to our masters.

                    30) Was the law of the Old Testament destroyed by Christ’s crucification? Luke16:16, Ephesians 2:15 & Romans 7:6 says that the old law is no longer binding. Yet Matthew 5:17-19 and MANY other verses say that the old law is forever binding. If you want to see the many verses that command we follow the old law please consult the upper portion of this page.

                    31) Should we swear an oath? Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath…he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.” Genesis 21:22-24 & 31 “…swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me…And Abraham said, I will swear…Wherefore he called that place Beersheba [“Well of the oath”]; because there they sware both of them.” Hebrews 6:13-17 “For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself…for men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability ofhis counsel, confirmed it by an oath.” See also Genesis 22:15- 19, Genesis 31 :53, & Judges I 1 :30-39. So apparently it is okay to swear an oath, we even do this on the Bible in American courts. Just try and forget these verses: Matthew 5:34-37 “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven…nor by the earth…Neither shalt thou swear by thy head…But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

                    James 5:12 “…swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

                    32) Do we keep the Sabbath? Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.” Exodus 31:15 “Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.” Numbers 15:32-36 “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.” Each of these contradict Isaiah 1:13 “The new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity.“ John 5:16 “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day. “Colossians 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days.”

                    33) Should we make graven images? Exodus 20:4 “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven…earth … water.” Leviticus 26:1 “Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone.” Deuteronomy 27:15 “Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image.” Okay, I got it I shouldn’t produce a thing in fear of making a graven image, but wait: Exodus 25:18 “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.” I Kings 7:15-16 & 23-25 “For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass…and two chapiters of molten brass…And he made a molten sea…it stood upon twelve oxen … [and so on]”

                  • Wolf, this is where it gets ironic. Tying the founding fathers into christianity IS THE REVISIONIST HISTORY. Our founding fathers detested christianity and said a lot worse than Timothy has. The founding fathers were part of the enlightenment. A movement that sought to remove religion and replace it with science, logic, and reason. They did believe in God as a creator, but not the biblical God. Show me where the name Jesus is found in the constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Americans never thought of our nation as ‘christian’ until the late 1800’s during the victorian era. ‘In God we Trust’ was never in the pledge of allegiance or on our money until the cold war as propaganda against an atheist enemy. Learn your history.

                  • Wow tim, what a misguided fool you are. I hope God’s blessings on you truly

                  • Timothy,

                    I have likened viewing the Bible in English to looking at the world through a pinhole. There is so much more to see, but, most people not being either smart enough or open minded enough either prefer to deride, defame and refute the Bible as it is in English rather than find out what it really means. (Be aware, also, that there are POLITICAL and SOCIAL agendas of the translators in there! Reading the direct translations makes that BLATANTLY apperant.)

                    The mistake you make is thinking that you know what you’re talking about. You do, in English, its just that the reality is that the English has crippled your understanding. There is always deeper study. I will warn you: if you study, you’ll get infected. Once infected, you’ll never be the same.

                    Jesus came to free the slaves but those silly slaves, thinking they were already free, thought Jesus came to chain them down. Slaves today are still thinking the same thing. Nothing gives me a bigger laugh than to see a slave, screaming at Christians, “I’m free! Leave me alone! I’m free!!!” while their chains are all flopping and jingling. Hehehehe. Some I try to help. Some I just let them be.

                    But, regardless what you do, spewing your anti-Christian rhetoric does just as much good as preaching the other way. Refer to Chapter 3 of Phillipians. That’s Paul’s house arrest in which he refers to the people who are preaching The Gospel with the wrong intentions.

                    Defame it.
                    Deride it.
                    Burn it.
                    Hate it.
                    Curse it.
                    Spit on it.
                    Urinate on it.
                    Love it.
                    Burn for it.
                    Preach it.
                    Worship it.

                    In the end, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that YOU CANNOT AVOID IT. Eternity will come. Maybe at 19 like by friend Benny. Maybe at 99 1/2 like my Uncle Clarence, but, it will come. I just pray you have no regrets when it does.

                    Run from it Timothy. Run from it and hate it with a passion. But, be prepared. You cannot outrun eternity. The Creator will always love you more than you can hate h(im)(er).

                • America is doing sooo much better in every way since we kicked God out every time we have been able.

                  • No, America was doing great BEFORE Christians tried to hijack our nation.

                  • bob: have you looked around lately??!!! Be well.

                • Timothy: Ah, you too are the recipeint of the love and prayers of ‘true christians’. You can’t use facts and logic with folks who refere to 5th grade as “my senior year”. Most of the clowns can’t even spell GED let alone get one. I’d say don’t waste your breath, but it is fun to tease these mental midgets when the come around just asking to be abused. A real Christian would pray for us but not these hate filled morons. Most ‘so-called’ Christians I’ve met are like these phonies, very few are truly full of the love and compassion the profess. But I have actually met a few, but certainly not here.

                  • Gregory8; I have supported a few comments above by you and others (Timothy), simply because I value critical thinking, logic and reason. However I am a born again Christian but not a sop. You have now lowered yourself to the level of the people you hope to “out logic”!!! Really? So you’re going to call people names and then deride them for being “5th grade seniors” and “vocabulary deficient” because they call you names…hhmmn? Do you not see the “irony” there? I don’t wear big funny shoes, nor do I have a big red nose. If you are going to use the intellectual high ground, you have to STAY ON IT. You can’t be chickenshit and run down the hill and be rude and vulgar and then run back up the hill to the high point of intellectual superiority and state your case. Just sayin’. Be……word!

            • Yeah and throwing insults back really helps your argument.

              • Timothy,

                Where do i begin with you? You and most atheists are all the same. In all that mumbo jumbo you copied and pasted I couldn’t find any facts or examples which were your own.

                Do you have any thoughts and arguments yourself supported by facts or do you just read Richard dawkins and Christopher Hitchens and steal all their arguments. You and your ilk are so predictable.

                Please formulate a coherent reponse next time.

                You are actually attempting to make the claim the majority of the Founding Fathers were deists without any evidence to support it. Then you throw in slavery. What is that about? Are you playing the race card? attempting to discredit the Founding Fathers? because you know who uses that tactic?…Liberal Progressives..is that what you secretly are? Your clearly not a Constitutionalist unless your just utterly ignorant. Im leaning towards the latter.

                I will enlighten you. the majority of our Founding Fathers were Christians. Read about George Washington, James Madison, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, Patrick henry, Samuel Adams and even Thomas Jefferson himself. He rejected christian mysticism but he heavily relied on Christian Philosophy.

                Actually read what these men said. Read the Federalist Papers, read the letters between Jerfferson and Adams as they both were dying. Read the 5000 year leap. Ive read your saviors dawkins and hitchens so maybe you should read the opposite argument to actually gauge the meaning and of what the Founding Fathers said with CONTEXT.

                Don’t read what some Liberal hundreds of years later say about these men. READ what these men said in their own words and CONTEXT, the entirety of it not just blurbs on atheist websites with no background and CONTEXT.

                Your main arguement will be about Jefferson. You all are so predictable. Do you know that Jefferson actually promoted the idea of religious groups meeting in Virginia’s public buildings? All he said was every religion should be able to use public space with nobody being discriminated against.

                Again you promote LIES over and over again to self serve your own self absorbed vision of the Founding Fathers as deists and atheists.

                Lastly to reiterate my point the Founding Fathers based the Bill of Rights and Constitution on Judeo Christian Principle and Natural Law. The FF studied people like Blackstone, Montesciue and John Locke. Please enlighten yourself and read all of them and what the FF said themselves. Again Ive read your gods Dawkins and Hitchens. So to have an intelligent debate shouldnt you read and study the opposing view for the sake of argument? You atheists never do!

                I’ll leave you with this because this is usually the ignorant position you atheists take in this debate and Ill quote your man Dawkins..

                ” Do i need to study leprechaunology to know there are no leprechauns” – EPITOMY OF IGNORANCE.

                • Most of what I posted was quoted directly from the bible. I guess you are correct if you are calling it mumbo jumbo.

                  • What a logical and reason based response. Way to go Timothy, ignorant as always and not worth anyone’s time.

                  • Timothy: Well I guess I wasted my “thumbs up” I have given you on several posts due to critical thinking skills and logic and reason. Now, however you’re doing what you accuse us of (Christians). I read your “law contradictions” and all that I read was taken out of context OR not taken within the ken of knowledge of accepted Christian history and philosophy. You’re a hypocrite. AND so are ALL CHRISTIANS. However, we are forgiven because we realize that we ARE hypocrites. That’s the only difference between us. It NEVER means we are perfect or even right about a lot of things. It simply means we bow down in humility to God and pray for forgiveness AND ACCEPT IT and then MOVE ON. It is what it is. “Is that a pigeon?” LOL, be well.

                • Wolf359: Please show us any line, either in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, that comes from the Bible. And why are you muddying the waters with natural rights. Either this is, or is not, a Christian nation as so many of you claim. If it is, then you can at least show one verse, from either the Old or New Testament, that supports your claim of devine inspiration. Good luck.

                  • Gregory8,

                    You and all the other unintelligent people who refuse to eduacate yourself about the FF and our Constitution say the same thing. Show me where there is a literal translation word for word from the bible into the constitution.

                    I will again briefly explain to you that you should read what the FF, the people who wrote our Constitution beleived in. Read their own words, speeches, memoirs anything straight from their mouths and you’ll know what i’m talking about.

                    Please educate yourself beacause it’s not my fault your parents and school failed you and its certainly not my job to teach you.

                  • Wolf359: That’s your response when I call bullshit? The Constitution is the law of the land not any writings penned by them FFs. If they wanted a theocracy they would have created one but they didn’t. Sorry you don’t like facts pal. Your claim is total crap because you haven’t any evidence, or you’d have posted it.

                  • Gregory8; None of our FF were atheists, period. Most WERE Christians, period. Read your FF histories. Yes, some of the more prominent ones were what would be called deists although most were actually what would be legitimately categorized as agnostic Judeo-Chrsitians. THIS IS A CHRISTIAN NATION. Our FF would be shocked to even think that people would reject God (in general), much less Christ. A simple reading of the Declaration of Independence, leaves no doubt of that (God). Thomas Jefferson was probably the most esoteric of the FF as far as the belief in the COMMON established religions. His proudest achievement was the establishment of a NON-religious university in Virginia. And yet, he UNWAVERINGLY believed in a higher power, an intelligent designer. I wrote a senior paper (college, not 5th grade) on Jefferson and received the highest grade in the class. It was a world class paper. I have researched Jefferson and other FFs. You sir are wrong. Our FFs INTENDED FOR US TO BE A CHRISTIAN-ish nation. Not this melting pot shit we have turned into. Just sayin’. Word!

                  • Gregory8,

                    Why is it so hard for you to read up on the FF yourself? It’s not my position to educate you. If your so unwilling to do any homework yourself then why are you bothering to argue a losing position with no facts or arguements to support your broad generalized statements you proclaim as matter of fact? Why don’t you try and prove my argument wrong with empirical data? Answer is you can’t because your point if view in this debate is invalid and you lessen yourself speaking so ignorantly.

                    Those are the facts pal.

                  • @TripodXL

                    If being a hypocrite gets you into hell, then I am sorry to say we are all going to hell.

                  • TripodXL and Wolf359: Where to begin. Saying that America is a Christian nation implies a theocracy since the adjective Christian is there to modify the word nation. That answer if false and you get an “F-” in today’s lesson on grammar XL. As for Wolf359, you’re a lost cause. I don’t need to prove you wrong. In logic and the law the person who takes the positive position, (you,) has the burdern of proof. In other words, you make the claim, you have to prove it. It doesn’t matter what the FF believed personnally, your claim is that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. The founding of this country is reflected in the Constitution and it’s first ten amendments. There is nothing remotely related in these documents that can be traced back to either the Old or New Testaments. If that were their intent, the would have put some biblical refencese in these documents. They did NOT. Wolf359, you get “F-“s in three subjects today: an F- logic because you’ve failed to prove(support) you claim with any referenced evidence; an F- in the Constitution and the Ten Amendments because there are no biblical references in them; and finally an F- in Bible studies because you failed provide any scripture to support your claim of a devinely inspired government. What would your parents say, for shame Wolfy. Me, I graduated college with honors, made enough money to retire at age 56 netting, not grossing, me nearly $45,000 a year. How you doing genius? If you can show me any part of these documents that is a direct reflection of the Bible, I’ll humble myself to either you. How’s that? Do I have any takers? It’s time to put up or shut up boys!!!

              • Randy,

                Your more IGNORANT and uneducated than Timothy.

                You claim the FF ” detested Christianity”. Please include facts or quotes from our FF. Find me one George Wasington or James Madison quote detesting Christianity.

                Then you contradict yourself and say they “believe God is there Creator”.

                Which one is it? please elaborate with facts.

                Your completely misrepresenting the Enlightenment as well. Many in the Enlightenment sought science, reason and logic to prove God existed. Read Blackstone, Locke and Montesqieu. Our Founders did and they combined those men’s writings with Judeo Christian principles to formualte the Constitution. Read about isaac newton and his christaian beleifs.

                Read Washington, John Adams, Sam Adams, Patrick henry, John Jay, James Madison, alexander Hamilton and even Thomas jefferson. Read theyre speeches, published works, inaugral speeches, memoirs anything by them in theyre own words.


                Dumb and ignorant is no way to live your life.

                • I never said they detested Christianity, although they had ample reason to. I simply stated that they were a mix of Christians and Deists. Deists believe that there is a creator but that is the extent of ‘it’s’ involvement with the universe or humanity. ‘It’ created the universe, then went on to brighter things (or whatever).

                  • Gregory8, I bet you have never read anything by any of the FF yet you are an expert. I tip my hat to you. You are just so vastly more intelligent than us lowly constitutionalists you have no need to read and enlighten yourself anymore. No wonder the state of our Republic right now. it’s people like you, in your generation that dropped the ball. Its easy to blame the under 40 crowd because that’s all they’ve been taught but you my friend, it was a different time and wow did you do a disservice to not only yourself but most likely your children, grandchildren and certainly your country. May God have mercy on your soul.

                • Wolf359; First, it is “you’re” not “your”. Second, Randy was the one that talked about the “abhorrence” of the established religions by the FFs. He is of course, wrong. See posts above. Randy is WRONG. While the FFs were hot to separate church and state, they were, by and large, Christians and yes SOME were deists. The inherent spirit of the DoI and the Constitution is of a Judeo-Christian basis, PERIOD. Any one that has a problem with it, you NEED to read our FF history. While the enlightenment was about logic and reason, those two characteristics DON’T negate belief in a higher power, period. Sorry about the grammar issue…pet peeve. Anyway, you’re right on the top of the issue. Be well.

                  • TripodXL,

                    Sorry about the grammer. When I post from my phone a combo of fat fingers and auto correct can spell a disaster! (Pun intended)

                • Wolf359: I agree with your post’s..EXCEPT from all I read of the FF federalists writings etc Nowhere have I seen any mention of “jewdeo” wording. All I seen was the word “Christian”.

                  Judiasim and christianity are TWO different religions.

                  The new testement is full of verses warning christians to Not listen to what the apostles called “Judiazers” aka Preachers who promoted a return to old testement or mosaic laws etc.

                  Those type pastors are called wolves in sheep clothes and False teachers etc.

                  There is no such thing and never has been and it isn’t posible to mix christianity and judiaism into a “new” thing called jewdeo-christianity.

                  ALL of the very first christian followers of Christ came from jewsih folks, then soon to follow were various pagan folks from other areas or lands. But they LEFT judasim for Good on becoming christian. Since babalonian captivity judiasim was a Oral form of Talmud based teachings. Thats what Christ told them rabbi’s was Wrong with it all.

                  They taught Mens doctrins and made Gods Words of NO effect, they chased down to prostelize a man to the ends of the earth, and once he was convinced of their teachings(jews teachings) the rabi’s made that man TWICE the Child of Hell that he was Prior! Jesus told them that, I am simply repeating it as Proof etc.

                  If there was zero difference or the two were compatible, Christ would not need to create a new “Covenant” which is called Christianity.

                  Many today use the term as you did. But in all honesty it is a Wrong term to use. If you read everything wrote by Christ and the apostles in the New testement, you will find that All of them railed aginst jews and their Talmudic teachings.

                  Just want to mention this error we see so often today due to todays pastors who so promote what they all should know better than doing.

                  Read it its in the new testement aka the Testement or testimony Of the New Covenant with Gods “Elect” or christians. It and they the elect Replaced what was formerly the “chosen” aka jews.

                  It is stated plain as Day many times Christ IS the Only way to salvation. That includes jews also. Christ accepts ALL sincere peoples. But None get saved unless They themselves ask for it. That means jews too.ALL=ALL Bar none.

                  Even though after 2000 yrs most jews still reject this, its not too late yet for them to change and convert Sincerally to christianity. I hope more will do so.

                  Those who fail to repent and convert will end up with all the other UNsaved….Thats also in the new testement.

                  Again: All other stuf on FF etc you wrote I agree fully. Timmy and others here refuse to read those Many many federalist papers and read in Context as that will force them to admit they are incorrect…Libs never admit any wrongs!…

                  • It’s Judeo Christian principles not dogmatic religious beliefs. The ancient Jews wrote extensively on how to form their societal and governmental structure along with a moral code to which the structure of law the people In theIr civilization would live by. It was supported and assisted through their religous beleifs and texts. It’s exactly how the FF used Christian philosophy based on Judeo philosophy to construct our Constitution.

                    The same argument can be made that much of society today was passed on from the Romans who received it from the Greeks and on and on. Our wrItten and spoken language Is a derIvItIve of LatIn. Its the advancement of Western Civilization.

              • haha havok… it doesnt hurt a little bit one way or another. timothy did try to kill the topic a while ago… i dont belive in god and im not atheist (hence no religon) why would you want a god that ignores you for thousands of years at a time anyways. there are great things that came from religon but great things came from war as well doesnt mean its always the answer

            • Why are you intolerant of his intolerance?

              • For the atheists amongst us:

                An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk?
                Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”
                The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you like to talk about?”
                Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?”
                as he smiled smugly.
                “OK,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps.
                Why do you suppose that is?”
                The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.” To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death, when you don’t know crap?” And then she went back to reading her book.

                • Excellent!!!

                • AWESOME Highspeed!

                  Sorry I cannot give you 1000 thumbs up!!!

                  I would, if I were able!!!

                • That is why i love reading stuff on these forums,
                  Good one bud

                • Wonderful…
                  another 1000 thumbs up.

                • Right on with that, Highspeed!

                  My response to all the atheists like Timothy and the “true” Christian, bashers, and the followers of false religions, and while I’m at it, throw in the liberals; The day will come that “every” knee will bow!

                  We’ll see who made who.

                • HS; AWESOME!!!!

              • Why is there enough religion to incite war but not enough to instill tolerance. just some food for thought.

            • An atheist joke:

              An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”

              The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”

              “Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.

              “Okay,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

              The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.” To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know shit?”

              And then she went back to reading her book.

            • Nice Job Timothy. You derailed this board right off topic from our defense systems to religion.

              How much do they pay you?

              • he’s paid in inches…

              • Not enough.

            • “Just because I do not believe in a silly fairy tale ”

              Speaking of hate… This is why people put you down. Because you’re disrespectful and intolerant and prolly a fruitloop to boot.

              If you are going to spew hate, please direct it at the responsible parties, not simply people you disagree with.

              Please explain how the hell you believe your idiotic statement conforms to this advice.

              • It conforms exactly. I replied to the responsible party.

          • Has everyone forgotten about all the new satellites. And this system is so old I remember the Big Bubba balloon in Duck Key FL when I was a teen getting in trouble there.

            Yes jobs are going away. But it is all about satellites now. You dont need anything on the ground to see it all anymore.

            • Are you sure? Can you provide authority for your position–a trustworthy website that would document that satellites are capable of providing the 24/7, low-level surveillance provided by this system? It seems to me that, even over our own nation, satellite coverage is less than perfect. Perhaps I have that wrong. Not to mention, unless it is cost prohibitive, why not retain this redundancy? We have redundancy in many defense systems, which only makes sense as each backs the others up.

              • These were line of site units. Around from the 60s yes upgrade but still 60s equipment.

                And there is still back ups. Drones, AWACS, Ships station in area Standard Radar.

                These were more of a threat to aviation. The one in the keys would break loos every once and awhile and float away. And it aways headed for another country. This was when it was “Secret”.

                When I was young we would screw around on the little island that had the ballon we all knew where the line was or every gun in the area would show up;

                Now you just find a hole in the fence and take pictures like you are flying a big kite. They became over sized weather balloons.

                • FP; if you are referring to the original post (finally) you are wrong. The TARS system has been around since 1984! You have no sense of what you’re talking about. They NEW system will STILL be a balloon! This system was for drug interdiction almost exclusively.

                  • Interesting since they were in the keys Since the 60s. I agree it was updated. But the underlying teck is still Line of site.

                    And in the end it all still depends on a bag of air to work.

          • I have long thought that TRUE terrorism will come the porous southern border. I have given some thought to nuclear weapons or dirty bombs, but I think the real danger comes from bio-weapons. If you compare the dope that runs over the border, and there is very little difference between the smuggling of this and say vacumn sealed bags of anthrax. A terrorist gets way more bang for the buck with these absolutely terrible weapons of death. A nuke can take down a metropolitian area, and if salted with cobalt made much worse, the area is limited. A terrorist group with 500 pounds of anthrax, a tiny amount of what Syria is suspected of stockpiling, could take a 5 pound bag of this sh&* and spread it evenly in 100 cities and goodbye United States.

            This is something that the media and other news sources doesn’t talk about, REAL horror that can be done to this country or the world. This is not science fiction Stephen King novels, it is something that is more than possible. Everyone thinks about some terrorist group using a crop duster with anthrax or other bio-weapon like Plague, Botulinum, Tularemia, etc. and hitting one area. This is a total misconception of what could easily happen with a group such as Hezbollah or even some of the Indonesia muslim terrorist groups. Simply put, divide up one of these horrible weapons and a group can easily bring evil and death around the whole country.

            What is so irritating to me is the crap the media portrays about crop dusters being necessary to spread this death. ONLY altitude and the right wing conditions are needed, (that is the frightening nightmare truth). They had a movie on right before 9/11, don’t remember the title. It was about islamic terrorists spreading the Marburg virus. This one terrorist went to a playoff baseball game and simply went to the area in which air was being circulated and started shaking this Marburg powder everyone. He had a protective suit on but ended up getting it anyway and biting an FBI agent in the movie to infect her also. I have not seen this movie since then, it might have been called World War 3, I just don’t remember.

            This type of movie was very accurate about the dangers of bio-weapons. It had this one scientist with a benign powder explaining how when he released it into the wind if it had been a true biology agent that the city downwind would be infected within hours. There was too much truth in this movie and after 9/11 and the anthrax attacks this movie went into hiding never to be seen again except for those that recorded it. If anyone has anyway of seeing this movie, it is realistic horror of what could become real life.

            Worst case scenarioes are really not worst case. Just like hurricane Sandy, they called this worst case, BS it was. If that hurricane had the time to build an eyewall it would have been Hurricane Katrina or Rita level coming to shore in NY while continuing to strengthen. Try 30 foot storm surge and 135 MPH winds. People say that a 8.0 would be worst case scenario for the San Andreas, WRONG. Worst case would be the San Andreas breaking from Baja California area and continuing to Oregon and beyond, 9+ and several minutes or shaking. seldom does anyone talk about a true SHTF event.

            Bio-weapons are the real nightmare, and why more concern over this and the southern porous border is not being addressed is pathetic. The amount of anthrax in those letters was tiny in comparison to what terrorist could do around the country. This toxin death bacteria (God I hate bio-weapons) spread throughout the country is NOT recoverable. They would not have enough chlorimides to disinfect even a small percentage of what a true terrorist bio attack would do. This island that the English tested anthrax on, it took decades to decontaminate the island.

            This horror could be flowing through Mexico, have flowed through, and some terrorist group is waiting to use it. Where the hell is the military or something there to stop this? Forget about illegal immigration, how much the weapons of mass destruction filtering in? If dope can get in no problem, so can something that can kill tens or hundreds of millions. It makes me wonder if this crap is all planned. I mean how can anyone in power be possibly that stupid to allow this to happen, unless of course it is meant to. I know, this is so depressing to think about.

            • “Welcome to my Nightmare. I think your gonna like it”.

              By Alice Cooper

              • Killer of a concert! by AC. saw it in ’75 I think?

              • slingshot; You’re….it is you’re, not your. “I think you’re gonna like it”…………….

                • your an ass works fine for internet fourms ty

            • Its all good, we have the TSA to feel them up!

              • …and DHS to do a no-knock warrant, takedown raid.

                Oh, wait, they only do that to innocent rich white people and innocent poor black people and patriots of all colors.

            • BI, Roger that. Like they have not stopped the drug running they cannot stop a biological or chemical attack coming across the S. border nor by ship on either coast or by low flying planes from the Northern Border. Russia parked a sub a couple of hundred miles south of Calif. in the gulf of baja. And now N. Korea can send a rocket at any time. Iran is also well on it’s way. Sure there is some program to monitor or intercept (Ihope) but will it work?

              I know, lets badger Hillary who is on the way out and forget about the spending cuts and while we are at it give Obama as much money as he needs for the next few months. Yeah, thats the tickett! Once again smoke and mirrors. New day, another crisis and some thing else slipped under our noses.

              • Stop it? They are going to be the ones who do it. Freedom loving Americans are the last obstacle to their Neo-feudal Utopia. There is no longer any legitimacy to the government in D.C. They are puppets of the globalists. That’s why they are turning the surveillance inward. All of them have been promised a seat at the table and most of them have accepted it. How else can you explain the weak line of questioning that Hillary had tossed her way today? They played softball with her, and she hit it out of the park. It would be nice if those questioning her were just stupid…but they aren’t.

                Their objective is to reduce the population of the world to under 1 billion. I’m sure taking out a few hundred million Americans poses no moral issue to them.

                Watch for false flags. Watch for bio-weapon pandemics.

                • Well said, Walt. The last vestige of hope rests within the hearts and minds of patriotic freedom loving Americans. TPTB want to squash that mindset along with our independance.

                  What they don’t, or won’t realize is that we answer to a Higher Power than they do. Our Power wins. It’s just dealing with the aggravating shit we have to wade through to get to the “Winner’s Circle”.

                  As far as the removal of a “fake” southern defense shield, it doesn’t really mean anything.

                  A van loaded with a few old ladies on a cross border travel excursion can bring in drugs,nukes,bio-chemicals, or anything else that is meant for harm to US citizens.
                  They are here already according to the Islamic leaders. All those Islamic mosques springing up all over the USA isn’t a sign of religious freedom within our country, it’s a sign of giving the enemy an “inside access”.

            • I believe most of the bio-weapons stockpiled in the middle east, actually belong the the U.S. Government. I think they were stockpiled over there, to be reintroduced over here as a “terrorist” threat. How else could little jerk water countries without even a useful power grid get such sophisticated weapons of mass destruction?

              Answer: OUR government gave it to them to hold on to for a while.

              • The chemical weapons Saddam Hussein used on the Kurds were provided by us.


            • If they laced some heroin or coke with anthrax, it would be over real soon. A drug addict would snort it anyway and then the spread would be biblical.

            • B.I.

              IMO, the most logical bio-weapon would be weaponized small-pox…as any decent biology major/graduate could cook some up w/nothing more complex than a good home-brewing beer kit, a viable sample & strict lab procedures.

              Granted, he’d better be recently vaccinated.

              That said, if whomever also had a network of “distributors”…carrying dried/prepackaged bricks of the pathogen…for infecting our large urban population centers across the nation. This country would likely cease to be within 30 days!

              Seems like I recall the incubation (per infection) period is something like a week to 10 days…thus giving the perps ample time to clear the area and E&E.

              Canada & Mexico would do their best to close the borders…outbound air-travel would halt…save for maybe secure military flights…civilian domestic travel/movement would come to a screeching halt…& absolutely, every single sector of the current domestic economy would grind to a near immediate standstill…Wall St & the banking giants would be moribund…hospitals/clinics etc, would be ground zero for mega-death episodes…given the premise that the mortality rate could exceed 40%, at minimum!
              Early to mid-20th century government quarantine procedures, would be resurrected…and Martial Law/State of Emergency, declared!

              Think hard folks, B.I. is onto something here…especially if you realize us old farts still bear the scab-scar of inoculation on our upper arm…incurred decades ago…and its now mostly useless, as it no longer affords much protection…so saith the CDC.

              You younger folks are in worse shape, if born in the late 70’s & later…as you possess “ZERO” anti-bodies, per this pathogen….’cuz you’ve never received the vaccination to begin with!!!!!!


              Damn, I could write a kick-ass, scare them silly article/book…based on this scenario!


              Bottom line is this….a smart/determined enemy would be better off using something like small-pox as the killer…as opposed to “an exotic pathogen” such as Marburg or Ebola…simply because its more difficult to trace the source!

              Plausible deny-ability is the rear guard…of a determined enemy…here, in 21st century political/economic/asymmetrical warfare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              • Read “Spillover”. There are plenty of germs to choose from. Anthrax will stick around fcenturies but Nipah or SARS is deadly and can spread person to person. I could see someone contaminating a feedlot or hog operation since these have little surveilance. Then the infection could spread across the country before it is noticed.
                There are plenty of other scenarios that come to mind.

              • @BI….

                Interesting that you should mention weaponized smallpox.

                This past week, my local PBS channel ran a documentary called “Outbreak: Anatomy Of A Plague”.

                The gist of this program was the very real threat that smallpox would be.

                As you may know, smallpox was ostensibly eradicated in the late 70’s. To my knowledge, there have been no documented cases anywhere in the world since then.

                Since there is no longer any smallpox “in the wild”, nobody has been vaccinated for it in years. And they express serious doubts that even for us older folks who were, the immunity to the virus may no longer be viable.

                According to this documentary, the only known stores of smallpox virus are at the CDC in Atlanta and in Russia. One of the scientists who worked with the old Soviet Union’s bio-weapons projects stated that the Soviet Union had been working on weaponized smallpox. He defected to the United States prior to the breakup. His concern is that it’s already out there. He said that there are hundreds of people out there who know how to work with the virus and he is very concerned that at some point, it will be released.

                Personally….I have just as much concern, if not more, about our own government and the CIA (In case you haven’t figured it out folks, they don’t work for us).

                The rest of the documentary dealt with how they would deal with a pandemic. And what I found interesting was how they stated that people who refused to be vaccinated might be arrested and detained (Can you say FEMA camps?) They also discussed how low we are on vaccine. And what we have has been in cold storage for over 30 years and they were concerned about its effectiveness. And they were also concerned that someone might “tweak” the virus so that the vaccines wouldn’t be effective anyway.

                They went on to describe the economic effects and even how such a pandemic could bring down the power grid.

                They talked about how they would go about containing the virus and preventing it spreading around the world, but that’s a pipe dream. Face it….if ANY virus that is as easily transmissible as smallpox…and as lethal…gets started, it’s going to move around the world so fast, there will be no way to stop it. There is no place in the world that is more than 24 hours away from any other place in the world.

                Again….when you look at the goals of the globalists…that of reducing the world population, it is not a stretch to think that this is coming. This is no longer a matter of tin-foil-hat-conspiracy stuff. They admit that this is what they want.

                • My above comments should have been directed at Gunsmith.

                • Thank you, Walt K…

                  You’ve filled in the blanks…I deliberately left open!

                  +1000 thumbs up to you!


                  Oddly enough, some years ago…I penned an article per this scenario for a now defunct (southern)dissident web-site…under a different pseudonym…it got decent coverage & was picked-up/carried by other sites, as well!
                  Not a bad outline…if I say so myself!

                  What really caught my eye & surprised me…was the fact that within 4 months of my article/hypothetical scenario…it was announced across the web…that the gubbermint was installing “real-time chem-bio remote monitors” around DC/NYC & other metropolises…that I utilized as sample targets, per my fictional episode of….”WHAT IF….”

                  …I still have a copy, on one of the manifold flash-drives scattered about my bunker somewhere(grin)!!!

                  If I can find it…I’ll forward to Mac…after I spruce/edit it a bit…maybe he’ll post the damn thing…for y’alls entertainment!!!


                  Seriously though, I congratulate you for your foresight/wisdom…per thinking/anticipating the likely moves/plans/schedules…of the enemy!

                  Kudos to you, sir!

                  • Thank you!

              • The musloids (or US .gov) are not above infecting jihaddis (without their knowlege) and dispersing them on “missions”. While waiting to be “activated” the jihaddis would be barking their deadly germs throughout the country. The possible methods of dispersing bio-weapon megadeath (false flag or otherwise) are both endless and terrifing.

                The fools in power are arrogant enough to believe that they could control such a thing.

              • @ Gunsmith. You know my real calling in life is Earth and off Earth Sciences, but I really did a lot of reading on biological pathogens and I worry about many of them. Smallpox is the typical 10-14 day incubation period, but there is a variant called India-1 that has an incubation period of 1-5 days. The soviets combined Smallpox with Marburg, and tried to with Ebola. Ebola is very frail when exposed to sunlight and oxygen, but when spliced together with Smallpox it lasted longer and infected the test monkeys with both diseases.

                The disease that practically no one hears about is Lassa Fever. This rodent based pathogen has been known to infect a person with as few as 3 individual particles. Smallpox and the flu usually take minimum of several hundred individual germs to cause sickness. There are several different variants of Lassa Fever that last well in air and could be made into an aersol and people that become sick are highly contagious to others. The fatality rate can be as low as only 1%, but the more virulent levels can approach Marburg rates of near 75%.

                One really frightening thought that belongs kept in a science fiction horror novel is that someone has found how to keep rabies from dying when exposed to air. There has been only a few dozen people that have survived in all of history when they got the first symtoms of rabies. Even when given the serum when people are bitten by a rabid animal it is not always effective. If some North Korean was to splice together rabies with say the cold viruses or flu. I don’t even want to talk about this.

                The one issue I hate about bio-weapons is that as long as they have a host, they have the fuel to continue to multiple and continue to spread. As long as a pathogen has a reserviour to hide in and stay dormant, it reamins waiting for that host to once again infect. Talking about Smallpox, I have longed believed that natural Smallpox is buried in some Smallpox victim in some dry area like in the Sahara Desert or American Southwest ghost town that is waiting to be unearthed for some reason to re-emerge as a natural plague once again. Viruses have this strange way of remaining dormant for decades or centuries, then bang they come back.

                Putting away the evil bio-weapons, there really exists the likely possibility of some idiotic land developer bulldozing some gravesite where some Smallpox victim(s) died back even in the 19th century. Then someone working the site, usually people that don’t wash their hands gets this dried, but still barely alive virus into their bodies. Then Bubba gets sick, thinks he has Shingles or Chickenpox, no big deal, goes out drinking to feel better infecting a few dozen people. Bubba then goes home passes out and dies and no one thinks anything about. Several dozen people then infected travel all over the place and 10-14 days later they start showing up at hospitals very sick and most doctors have not even seen the disasese call it adult Chickenpox. Those that are smart enough let the CDC know and everyone assumes that there has been a bio-attack. The damage has been done though as it rockets around the world with air travel to so many with no immunity to it.

                I worry big time about a super Andromeda Strain virus coming out of India or Bangladesh, as these places are the perfect petri dish with the filthy conditions and warm to hot tropical almost always moist conditions. Bio-attacks are a definite possibility, but old Mother Nature is what I also am really worried about. Too many life forms from plant to animal have reached what is called a peak in population and almost always disease thins out the population or causes extinction. One can read about all the lethal animal plagues on information sites. A super plague out of India could spread so quickly that it could kill billions with the air travel in days or weeks, way before they could come up with a vaccine.

                Again, people seldom think about what pathogens can do. I could see a type of mild at first extremely contagious virus coming out of one of these hovel hells. Something that mimics the cold for the first 3-7 days, while the virus collects in every airways and continues to multiply until the airways collapse into complete necrosis. Something similar to the Bird Flu. In other words a virus that just keeps going and no antiviral or anything works with. Even a virus that affects every cell in the body, and keeps multiplying until the death of the host. Terror from nature.

                Viruses are so different than bacteria as the Weather Channel described it in simple terms; bacteria lives outside the cells and viruses live inside the cell. mankind would have extreme difficulty surviving as a species if a RUNAWAY virus that goes after cells like described above. TRUE SHTF is a relative term that few in the media take with a grain of salt, and completely fail to address when it comes to bio-weapons AND natural pathogens. God, I have depressed myself tonight, especially while I continue to recover from one of the worst strains of flus in decades.

                • The 2013 Global Risks Report (Being distributed at World Economic Forum in Davos this week I think) One of the topics of concern is discussed as “The Dangers Of Hubris On Human Health”. This report is available in pdf format at the following link:


                  They primarily are concerned with the resistance of bacteria to antibiotics, but it’s interesting that they’ve rated this as a global threat.

                  But when you consider that this report is put together by the globalists, it starts getting creepy. Other topics included water and food shortages.

                  These people are now telling us what they are going to do. They couch it in slick language and veiled statements. But you can be assured if they say they are concerned about something….more than likely, it’s exactly what they plan to do.

            • BI is right. Bio-weapons would wreak more havoc than nukes. A full scale nuclear war with the likes of Russia or China is unlikely, as neither side has much to gain.

              Clancy wrote a book along these lines. The book was fiction, but entirely plausible and illustrated how easily such a thing could be done. Ebola or Marburg would wreak havoc in a heavily populated, mobile country like USA. Perversely, what keeps these demons in check seems to be the fact that infected people usually don’t get very far before they bleed out. There is the terrifing possibility that someone could be exposed, board a plane before they show symptoms, and be anywhere in the world within 24 hours.

              Such a thing could turn The History Channel’s “Life After People” series into a documentary.

              • to all
                lets face the facts,,if what i`ve been reading and hearing the world is running out of food,,with that in mind,,why would anyone want to turn the usa into a glass bowl???or use chemical /bio weapons in any form,,soudnt that make the land usless???china has the most people they need the food,,,first strike EMP ,,,seems like all that would be left is pockets of freedom fighters,,think about this a few well placed EMPs followed by a very few nukes the usa snake is headless,,,pray i`m wrong,,


            • BI; Wow, take a DEEP BREATH. Wooosa, wooosa! While it is all “romantic” to have something come over the “southern border” in some surreptitious manner, it is more likely to come in on a commercial airliner inside someone’s body….whole lot easier than letting go of a trigger switch on a suicide vest. The only problem with the border is DRUGS, period. Why would you bust your ass to come over the Rio Grande when you can just go to Canadia and come in from there. Just sayin’. You’re making it seem harder than it really is and from the wrong direction. IMHO

          • dont you mean the last eight years, lets be real here ok.

            • Anyone doing this would have to realize that as the death toll hit into the tens of millions mark, we’d be taking that shit just a wee tad personally.

              They’d have to not care about their home country, because in that scenario, traceable or not, personally I’d just turn the “usual suspects” into radioactive cinders. Very quickly.

          • @Live Free, your comment “…doing for the last four years?” tells me you’re the one still drinking the kool-aide. To stop drinking the kool-aide you need to break free of the left/right paradigm and see that there is no difference between the two political parties. The USA Patriot act, The Military Commisions act, and the Continuity of Government act are the bedrock of american fascism. All signed into law by George Bush and then reauthorized By Barak Obama. We have been under surveillance for a lot longer than four years.

          • Hillary summed up not only the past 4 years, but the past several decades when she erupted like a nut-job and screamed “What difference does it make?” The politicrats, ie…the ruling class have finally let the cat out of the bag. Republicans, democrats, it makes no difference. They are all there to fulfill their own greedy desires. They go to Washington as average citizens and they ALL they ALL leave as millionaires or multimillionaires. Indeed, what difference does it make?

            What difference does it make if brave, heroic Americans are murdered trying to save other Americans?

            What difference does it make if Average Americans are seeing their dollar destroyed right before their eyes?

            What difference does it make if Americans can’t find descent jobs?

            What difference does it make if we are now told 7-8% unemployment is the “new normal?”

            What difference does it make if we have spent our children and grandchildren into oblivion?

            What difference does it make if Americans are watching their “God given” rights being slowly stripped away like a frog in a pot of water in which the temperature is slowly raised?

            Indeed, Hillary Clinton summed it all up didn’t she? This woman is supposed to be the United State Secretary of State. That MEANS something, in the tradition of many great statesmen who preceded her. It means you are the face of the U.S.A. It means you are a policy maker and a policy salesman. To Hillary it seems to be nothing more than a high paid vacation planner, working as a cruise director and party planner as she jet-sets from one happy party city to the next all around the globe and not only does the US Taxpayer foot the bill, but she actually gets PAID to do it!!!!!

            $16 trillion dollar debt, $trillion dollar deficits, a military in disarray, Constitutional rights being trampled…….YES Hillary! Indeed! What difference does it make! What difference does ANY of this make!!! America is dead and career politicians and the political class have killed her. Once they take our guns, they will pen us in like sheep. Yes, Hillary….what difference does it make! I wonder if she’d say the same thing if her daughter Chelsea were killed in that attack? But after all, what difference does it make!

            • Survivor
              yup she sure did,,i wanted to slap the glasses off her ugly mug


              • Hillerys daughter will remain safe since shes now married to one of them zionist jew banksters guys…Goldman sahcs? or Shiff famliy?…One of them two I think it is.

                Donald trumps amd al gores daughters also recently married into the same group of zio bankster familys.

                Juat an FYI.

          • You have to understand, Obama considers us ( the white working class) as the enemy, NO racist intent here, because a lot of blacks are included in this. He needs his (foreign friends) to disrupt the country, so he can do whatever. We are the strong arm of this nation, and he wants to destroy that.

          • There is no southern air defense network, or northern or anywhere else. Clnton shut them down, dismantled the equipment and sold the sites to his developer buddies. They were all last used to track drug transporters. Only thing left to use are the short range limited capability aerostats, and the future oil rig style radar/missile defense sites. For reference, SU-30’s can make it from cuba or a tanker over cuba to miami in less than 15 minutes. From Venezuela to Houston, or missile launch range in less than 2 hours. Our only true, useful defense is the Aegis cruisers of which we don’t have enough and Barry wants less. Awacs? Not enough and $100,000.00 an hour to fly won’t go far.

        • Obama did tell Putin that he would have more flexibility after the election. Just what do you think he told the Chinese or the drug cartels that he supplied weapons to or the islamist that he’s given countries to or or or or……….

          • Heard today that Obama wants to give F-16s and other high-end goodies that “go bump in the night” to our pals in Egypt. An obvious raised middle finger to Israel. They may have to fight someone who can actually fight back.

            I don’t think there is ANY ME nation worthy of handing this hardware to. A nation that has to borrow money should not be giving any away.

        • This shit just keeps getting better and better. Prediction, within the next year Obama will junk three carrier battle groups and cut the US nuclear arsenal by over half.

          • This year 51 Marine squadrons were cut and disposed of. The sad part is that cutting 51 squadrons disposed of their aircraft by filling the shortfall n many remaining squadrons, so this has been on the books for a while. Remainng Marine air assets are enough to train, refit, and fill all the carriers that are short Navy squadrons. Numerically and technically, the Marines are down to about 5 squadrons of their own! All the rest are used to make up Navy shortages.


        • The aerostats don’t work well. Winds over 20 knots drag them down to 5000 ft, they track transponders but don’t actually track via radar. At any given time over half are broke. And reported to them the track of an inbound doper plane coming right for them at 3000 ft and 135kts being listened to for 300 miles and they did not have the ability to find it or track it until it was 60 miles south of the border. So when the cartels or israeli supplied and trained cartel hermes drones start heading north, there will be nothing to stop them. Yes, you heard thatbright. The israeli gov’t is trainng and supplying the cartels with drones, weaponry, electronic intercept technology, and advanced communications equipment. – dirt bags all!

      2. CHENEY — He’s back!

      3. Why does any of this surprise us? End America and the rest of the world goes Dark Ages..We have our problems, but the American people are some of the most generous people the world has ever seen. With America’s end come the loss in hope of freedoms throughout the world….And the elite know it.

        • You are so RIGHT woodlander.

        • It isn’t the normal, average American that is causing us to be hated by most of the rest of the world…

        • I know this flies in the face of our American egos woodlander, but we should be the most generous people on the planet. For the past 100 years or so, we have been allowed, yes allowed, a disproportionate quality of living when compared to the majority of the planet. This, so we would keep our mouths shut and support the industrial military complex that TPTB use to force their agenda on a global scale. Our perceived freedom was granted to us out of necessity by TPTB, certainly not out of largesse, and they will remove it the appointed time while the majority of the populous struggles to pick up their jaws off of the ground.

          • You arw clueless. Shame you are too stupid to realize that.

          • HH; OMFG, do you really believe that BS? Yeah, NWO, Illuminati, etc. REALLY? We earned everything we got. We led, we developed etc. Who do you think REBUILT EUROPE after the war. WE DID! WE REBUILT Japan, and most of China before they went Commie. The ONLY people that will remove our WEALTH is US. We have allowed the PTB to come to power and bend us over. Just sayin.

        • I’d love to see a drop of some good Russian arms to the American Patriots…think it can’t happen? TPTB are still demonizing the Russians for a reason. TPTB demonize EVERYONE who is not on THEIR side. A Ukraine friend of mine tells me this would not be totally beyond possibility.

          The world doesn’t hate Americans — they hate the American Government.

          • Sixpak: yep highly posible. I saw a video and also on a tv news show where Putin said he will assist ALL christians regardless what nation they are being attacked etc.

            And I do think what hobammy really meant when he told that russian pres tell putin wait till he got relected was JUST mainly about not placeing those missle systems at russias borders at poland(?) was it?

            IF thats all its about can you blame putin for Not wanting usa missles so close to russias borders?

            What would We do if other nations said they will put same missle systems at mexican border?…We reject that outright. Why should russia not do so to?

            Seems far too many folks still see russia as same as it was when ussr Soviets was in charge there.

            Putin has Vowed to rebuild all 40,000 christian churches that the soviet bolshevik jews blew up and destroyed.

            Funny how ussr soviet kommie jews claimed to be Atheists yet never harmed one Single Sinagog!…They only destroyed christian churches.

            Todays russia is being transformed BACK to a Mainly WHITE Christian nation with Main concerns of take care of Their Own folks and country!

            Alot like america Used to be prior to kommies-libs-atheists-faggots-mexican illeagles-and african blacks fucked it up. Oh forgot to add Femminists nazis too!

      4. “it’s difficult to imagine the motivation behind the move to further weaken U.S. air defenses on the southern border.”

        Yeah, I think it’s fairly obvious what the intention of this is…..and it’s not good for us!!!!

        • Next false flag?

        • lifting of the southern air defenses appears status quo. You know, most of “whitey the devil” clinging to guns and religion happen to live there.

          “Killlllll whiteyyyyy!” Chris Farley from the movie Black Sheep comes to mind…

      5. If there trying to save money stop buying

        • stop policing the world who doesn’t want policed. Stop populating the American surveillance grid….etc…

        • GA; They are…they’re. Grammar! There is a place “over there”. Just sayin’.

      6. So much going on now days, keep posted

        Gogle: Dailyjobcuts

        • Wow I been absent one day and Mac hired a Spelling Teacher eh!!! Learn to spell kiddies and eat your meat or ya wont get no puddin!

      7. I predict the next false flag will be after march 15th.

        • You mean April 15th – they need to get some $$$.

          • Why worry about taxes, they print as much as the want/need already. What an incredibly sad joke all of this has become and the average, everyday American will be in a world of hurt.

        • One thing at a time… let’s get past the large gathering on 2-3-13 first.

      8. FYI March Jan 26 2013

        FYI! Gun Control March This Weekend! Check which States!

        1MM4GC National Events on Jan. 26 2013

        One Million Moms for Gun Control is sponsoring and co-sponsoring marches and rallies throughout the nation on Sat., Jan. 26 to demand action on common-sense gun control laws.

        One Million Moms for Gun Control will co-sponsor the March on Washington for Gun Control in Washington, DC, which was created to bring attention to the need for immediate action on common-sense gun legislation. More information on march logistics is available from the March on Washington for Gun Control at:



        States: DC, MA,IN, Texas, NJ, RI, San Fran, Chicago, Denver, Ashland, OR,

        Pass This Along! Time is Short!

        Tagged With: Greater Denver/Aurora/Boulder Colorado, Houston/East Texas Chapter, Indianapolis Area Chapter, March On Washington, March On Washington For Gun Control, Northern New Jersey Chapter, Oregon, Rhode Island, San Francisco Bay Area

        • Are you a participant in the march or are you just alerting the rest of us? If only alerting, Thanks. If promoting, take it somewhere else.


          These people are in need of Marshals at this event. Not sure what a Marshal at this type of event does but I have emailed them as requested at

          [email protected]

          and have asked them if I will get a badge and a free gun. I hope to hear back real soon. You had better hurry and get in line or you may miss out. 🙂

        • FYI March,
          What a joke, I looked into this today they have 4700 likes on the facebook page, Since starting the page they have raised $40,000 bucks for their cause. Here is one for you MOMS against guns. Sell your new Tahoe to pay for your own trip to DC, And if that doesn’t work get your corrupt banker husband to give the $$$$$ to you. Either way I really don’t give a s–t. Our rights shall not be infringed upon. And if someone breaks into your house besure to call 911 they will be there to help you out..


          PS Be sure to put out some donuts and coffee.

          • The first Million mommies was really 80,000 only.

            Aprox. 78,000 Fatass black bitches and 2000 real stupid White Guilt lib feminist nazi Bitches.

            I Hope this time if Rossie Odonnel is there again, she wears a huge Red apple in her mouth so she resembles a Fat Piggie more!…MOM Rosie-Piggie Roast!

      9. Dat sumbitch

        • Don’t talk about dogs like that.

      10. Our border down there was already “unsafe and unprotected”….difference now is (and it’s a big difference) now it is unsafe above the ground as well as on and under the ground.

        It’s either for human terrorists to come in with no problems or for something else to come flying in undeected. 2013 will be the year for the govt’s full disclosure on aliens. Don’t believe what you are told though when they do spew their lies. Remember the war is spiritual first adn fallen angels do exist, have been here and are coming back full fledge.

        • BJ…for you. I will be listening tonight.

          Genetic Armageddon provides the reader extensive details of plans in place by various governments and multinational corporations to fulfill a nightmare – to “out-god” God and engage in genetic experiments and activities that would make Hitler envious. After thoroughly reviewing the book again, I now realize just how correct and ahead of his time Steve Quayle was regarding the genetic manipulation of man to advance a Luciferian agenda.

          Now, you won’t believe what’s coming next, according to Mr. Quayle. We’ll find out exactly what’s coming next during this special program tonight at a special time. Please join us for startling new information about what’s being planned and what’s already taking place.

          Link below.

          • Yup, I already had the page open ready to click play and listen in 41 more minutes before I even seen your comment…..Hagmann and Hagmann are just about the best investigators out there with a show

          • It’s a great show so far!!! 🙂

      11. Not a big deal, the southern portion of the u.s. was invaded by Mexico decades ago! Talk about old news…


          • Eisenkreutz: So what, the Mexicans took it from the Spanish who took it from the Indians in the first place. Are you promoting a new political/legal argument of the “Rights of the First Thief” ? That’s like a dope dealer calling the cops because someone stole his stash. Get real pal!

      12. How do you say…NDAA? Its all being set up for a Black Swan event…..seems some believe its coming in the spring 2013…..Buy silver while its still cheap @ $32.31 spot today. No country has ever set up laws to control its people that it did not intend to inforce. Just prepare yourselves and act accordingly…

      13. What really sucks is that I live in Florida directly in the path of high levels of fallout radiation(According to Fema maps if a Nuke were to hit the southern U.S).


      15. I’ve heard going back to the late 80s reports of Russian troops in Mexico and Chinese troops there since 2000. I’ve always expected any invasion to comne from Mexico and maybe even Canada also, not counting the foreign troops supposedly already here. if we see any foreign troops on our streets, it needs to be game on; at least it will be if i see any. We the people didn’t invite them in so they are invaders, period; they will be fair game. looks like SHTF anytime after march 15th. Braveheart

      16. I knew I shouldve moved to New Hampshire during obama’s 1st ruling era.

        Now, New Hampshire is no Texas in ideology, but if you live in Houston; the gates just opened wider for all kinds of people you wouldn’t want to meet.

        I have said personally to others, if I were a smart terrorist; I’d take out Houston – large city, easy to get to from places that like terroists, lots of businesses and home to 3rd largest port and large refineries and taking that stuff out just got easier; GREAT !

      17. that bl*** s** of a b****! he is wrecking this country! we are doomed. if i could leave i would in a heartbeat. I don’t recognize my country anymore. 🙁

        • halfrican

        • Dont leave..Fight!

        • KK; Really, where would you go? What bastion of freedom would you go to, to live?

      18. “On one point there should be no doubt; we shall not let the Jews slit our gullets and not
        defend ourselves. Today in Berlin they may already be arranging their festival-dinners
        with the Jewish hangmen of Soviet Russia – that they will never do here. They may
        today begin to set up the Cheka in Germany, they may give it free scope, we surrender to
        such a Jewish Commission never. We have the conviction, firm as a rock, that, if in this
        State seven million men are determined to stand by their ‘No’ to the very last, the evil
        spectre will collapse into nothingness in the rest of the Reich.”

        – Hitler’s Speeches, Baynes. Vol.1. The Institute of International
        Affairs. 1942

        * In fact, the mentioned Jewish hangmen did get their day, albeit delayed. Of
        thousands of German military personnel captured and executed as a consequence
        of the highly illegal and internationally condemned Nuremberg Trials and Military
        Tribunals, the highest ranking German leaders were publicly humiliated, denied
        basic human rights and in an orgy of revenge liquidated.

        Most of the executions took place in secrecy on the 15th October 1946 – which
        ‘coincidentally’ happened to be the Jewish Feast Day Hoshana Raba. The
        hangman, John C. Woods, a sergeant in the United States Army was Jewish. The
        executions were deliberately bungled, the prisoners given a short drop so that their
        necks would not be instantaneously broken and ensuring their slow strangulation
        amidst the utmost pain.

        Several of those executed also suffered face and head injuries, as the struck the
        edge of the trapdoor frame, on their way down. Julius Streicher who had been a
        farmer throughout the war and held no political post, was the only victim to have
        fought physically with his tormentors. When he was finally subdued he gave a
        Hitler salute before dying. The official United States undertaker, who was
        present at the executions, stated that: “The Jewish-American boy in charge of the
        execution (of Streicher) let him strangle, horribly for a long, long minute.”

        • Hitler killed a lot of Jews.

          • Hitler killed aprox. 1 jew for every 5000+ White christians Russias Kommie JEWS murdered 20 yrs Before hitler was elected etc.

            No group ever in entire world histroy has killed as many as russian kommie Jews has done. And nobdoy has done so in more horrible ways and torturous methods than jews did under kommie jew russians bolsheviks.

      19. The Feds have once again proven they do not care, after all its a long way to Washington from Juarez.

        It sounds like the southern border states will just have to form militias to patrol the southern borders. While they are at it, they could pick up the illegals coming across and bus them back to the border crossing and hand them over to the Mexican border guards. They could confiscate the illegals dinero and valuables, and auction them on ebay to provide funds for the bus. Lets just call that a tax too.

        • three toes
          with their guns gone what will they use??rocks,,slingshots,,when we all know dickhead and his boys gave them weapons now dont we,,,


      20. I just think they have replaced it with drones which as you know can stay up in flight for at least 24hrs. And don’t forget about the new drone blimps that can stay up for weeks at a time without refueling.

      21. Great! Now that makes a lot of sense.
        Troops abroad but screw conus.
        Out of 300 million some odd Americans they elect this clown.
        I’m feeling the urge to barf.
        Not to mention the threat from China and their forward logistics and recently announced gold backing of the Yuan currency through the (WGC), World Gold Council.
        Sounds like a set up for something bad.
        May be I’m jumping to conclusions.
        I promised to stop that, this new year.
        But something smells fishy.
        And where are the checks and balances?!
        Where are the contractors and their lobbyists?

        • I don’t think Romney would have been all that different.

          It has already been decided what is to come.

          Good luck!

          • NO IT HASN’T. WHAT A MORON.

      22. Please. Use get your head out of your ass and think. If you did, you would see how obviously idiotic these claims are.

        • You know JokeinNC…..if this site is so idiotic and you dislike the people who post here….why bother coming back day after day after day? Oh, I know….nothing better to do?

          • He keeps coming back because he’s on someone’s payroll.
            Derail and dilute the forum.
            There is no other reason he would be here and on other
            survival sites.

            • guys
              i figured it out,,hes in prison and this is the only other entertainment he has other than bending over and picking up the soap in the shower,,poor soul shouldnt have raped his mother,,,


          • Yeah,just like eisenkreutz.Nowhere to go outside of mommies basement.Just yapping around and nipping heels like the little doggie he is.

        • Oh look! The moron is back.

        • I invented a new emoticon Joe, just for you;


          ya smart enough to figure it out?

        • @ JO(K)E(R) in NC. You at it again aren’t you? Being a schlong face and calling the people here, Including Mac, names and telling ALL of us to get our heads out of our asses. Joker in NC, explain yourself in an intelligent manner why we should not take this article seriously. Each day, you come up with these wiener one liners without anything to back it up, just meant to get attention and infuriate people. You sure do act like the Joker, yeah the type that one day goes postal after all that rage finally boils over. Get help before it is too late Joker in NC. Until then stop commenting insultive one liners to people that CAN think, and have something to back up your words with, JOKER.

          • Be informed, He is a person in his 20’s i’m guessing that is worried about the future but is not smart enough to figure out anything for himself. He can say one liners exactly but nothing ever to back himself up. I won’t call him any names, I won’t go that low but I think he needs help and that’s why he is here. He is learing and doesn’t have many friends so likes to be internet toughguy to get satisfaction for himself. That’s my guess on this cat.

            • I’m guessing he sits in his mommy’s basement telling himself how clever he is. He’s probably morbidly obese with a bad case of acne and never had a real date in his whole life….unless it was his cousin.

              • @ clint hospo and Walt Kowalski. I don’t like calling jo(k)e(r) in NC names either, but each day we all have to deal with these idiotic insults, when joker and everybody else should be concentrating on the living nightmare coming to all of us. It could be geophysical or war or some biological plague OR some black swan, it is coming. Everytime we can discuss something about preparing, an idea that few or others have thought about, we are getting ourselves more ready. It is also a conditioning of the mind that many of us are going to have to adjust to when it happens.

                Someone like smokie okie and others that try to bring a smile to our faces are valuable contributors, they make us laugh and feel good. Jo(k)e(r) In NC makes everybody feel bad and angry and diverts our attention away from focusing on the issues at hand, to these asinine comments that only make him look the bigger fool. I just can’t help it when I see Jo(k)e(r) in NC with about 100-150 red thumbs, I have to see what idiotic thing did he say this time. That really did it last time when he said that we all stroke our guns while having sex. I wish that moron had gotten 1000 red thumbs.

                I still don’t wish the flu on him because that flu is awful, and I truly agree with both of you that jo(k)e(r) in NC is a very pathetic loser that lives by trying to be as shrill as possible. This idiot actually tried to say something that made sense on the last article and got some 20 green thumbs up and people liked this comment. Then posted 2 comments that were the regular stupidity in them. By the way I am glad that anti-gun piers morgan got the flu, even after dr.oz gave the moron a flu shot last week, morgan deserved to get the flu for trying to take away all of our guns like he said he wanted all 300 million guns banned.

                It is unlikely that jo(k)e(r) in NC is some government agent, they would irritate everyone with liberal points of view and ramble on and on, longer than I do. I think you are right, joker in NC is a really sad loser that is the perfect recuit for some false flag event. Joker in NC would likely jump at the chance at being a government HERO, as that is what they would tell him. A hero to joker in NC would finally make him a big man. You might see him play out being a joker one day.

                Then there is something that made me laugh that I heard. This dog was typing away on the internet, had all these fans, and the dog says to his owner, “on the internet nobody knows I am just a dog”. Jo(k)e(r) in NC could be that proboscis monkey that was posted the other day and we all would not know it. It would sure fit the profile all too well. 😉 Especially the non-intelligent one liners.

              • You also just nailed eisenhrreutz to a T.

        • WHICH claims??? Be specific.

      23. I am not saying this article is correct or incorrect. So much good stuff on this site it is hard to fault, but i surmise that Obummer himself did not order this, but rather the DOD, and that just because it is closing does not mean that the border is naked. Many times when these things go off line it is because newer technology has taken its place and we need not pretend to be all knowing about what could be replacing it.

        • Actually makes good sense to utilize remote controlled and monitored drones, saw one the other day on a military hardware show that had radar capabilities, the drones are actually much more cost effective and far more mobile, centralized ops, able to have redundent overlap in coverage, just makes more sense, plus when did they develop those dirigibles? Way out dated, not to mention i bet the infrastructure associated with them is a nightmare to maintain,

          • plus when did they develop those dirigibles? Way out dated, not to mention i bet the infrastructure associated with them is a nightmare to maintain,

            Did you know that there is actually a B52 pilot today whose father flew the very same B52 back in Nam?

            Did you know that the people that develop this stuff aren’t slack jawed morons. See “modular”.

            There’s an Aerostat in the city in which I finished high school. You know what the infrastructure (at least on site) is? A bldg the size of a large shed and about 1000ft of fence.

      24. One more step closer to “Red Dawn.”

      25. Heres an idea, lets leave the backdoor open and beat our swords into plowshares, have a nice gay couple sing kumbyah to us and watch the printing press wizz away as we watch our dollar turn into confetti, whos with me?

        WTF we now officialy are the dumbest people that ever walked this planet thankyou barry

        • I understand your sarcasim but I just have to say that you and I didnt lose our brains and become dumb just because the retard in chief and those like him are…we’re the one who’ll help save the country from them!

        • Boss, I say give the what they want until it crashes. (…except for the guns. They can’t have ANY of those.)

          Let them print and take down the defenses and let them all come in.

          The system IS NOT RECOVERABLE. We’ll either be let down easy or let down hard. We had a chance at easy, not so easy and nose dive into solid rock (Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, The Kenyan) and the USA chose nose dive into solid rock.

          I say lets GET THIS PARTY STARTED! Throttle up, head the nose down, ask all the passengers to move as far forward as possible.

          I’m tired of waiting for our collective shit sandwich. Give me my plate. I’m ready to chow down.

          • Time to embrace the suck.

            • walt
              i dont think its time we embrace the suck i think its time we force the powers to be embrace it


          • When the going gets tough, the weird turn pro.

        • We have to resist at ever stage. Mass protest is the only thing that stops government insanity.

          • Well yeah that panned out real well for the occupy crowd I dont think they give a rats ass how many people are screaming in the street, they are hell bent on this agenda

      26. Gotta use those Drones for something, balloons are so last century. Drones have weapons man!

        • I’d rather see drones patrolling our border than the street I live on…

        • My thoughts too. However that could be a good thing or bad thing for Texas. Depending on the mission.

      27. Nobody Wins When Freedom Fails

        The Best Men Rot In Filthy Jails,

        And Those Who Cried, “Appease, Appease!”

        Are Hanged By Those They Tried To Please

        • @pale rider that is perfect did you write it?

          • Is not exactly word for word, this was from memory and the author is unknown, I read it a long time ago somewhere. No I did not write it, but I wish I had.

            • “No man survives when freedom fails, The best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry ‘appease, appease’ Are hanged by those they tried to please.” – Hiram Mann

              • Pretty good memory, PR! Thanks!

      28. My grandfather was in the Navy 30 years; and was at Peal Harbor the day it was attacked by the Japs; Dec. 7th; 1941. Grandpop told me when i was a kid; that 3 days BEFORE the attack; the 300 mile patrol around the islands was pulled in. He said he could never understand why the Command did that. I was around 12 at the time; and i immediately KNEW exactly why that order was given. This was years before hearing the conjecture about Roosevelt wanting the United States in a war. Tighten it up; fellow planners. THIS show’s about to come to a close. Seriously.

        • Great words of advice Dave. Thanks. Standing by for incoming fire.

          • be ready to return it.

        • dam, we must be brain connected

        • Thanks Dave. I’ll sleep good tonight.

          You know, these elected people in Washington know what is going on. They are not stupid. They are just wimps who are scared to say or do anything. You do have a few to try but the rest, OH NO, not my money or my hide, let’em put the little people in FEMA camps. I’m in Washington hiding behind BO and MO.

        • there is pretty good evidence out now
          that they knew Pearl would be attacked and when

          they let it happen so the US would be forced into WW2

          and that false flag worked so well
          they used it again
          Gulf of Tonkin sound familiar ??

      29. Sixteen F-16’s and 200 Abrams tanks are to be given to the Egyptian government before the end of the year under a $216 million foreign aid deal signed in 2010 with then-Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a longtime U.S. ally.

        Why not? After all Obama (notice I didn’t say America) and the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda are now BFF’s. They helped us out in Egypt and Libya, so now we’re helping them out with state of the art arms for free no less! They don’t even have to pay for shipping. What a deal!

        Oh I almost forgot, the same idiot in the White House who authorized this transfer wants to ban standard 30 round AR-15 magazines for law abiding Americans.

        We don’t have to worry about any more pesky planes crashing into buildings and killing Americans. Right?

        You know, let’s just shut down the entire North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) while we’re at it. I mean it’s not like Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran represent clear and present threats to the U.S…. Right?

        • This is why there will be wide spread non compliance with any new regs, screw it we all gotta die someday, think were immune from SHTF ? Most likely were not!

          • Kulafarmer,


            I am so tired of seeing the liberal hypocrisy it’s sickening. We can’t have more than 7 rounds in a magazine (in NY) but the Commissar in the White House can just hand over, for free, some of our most high tech weaponry to Al Qaeda??? They can kiss my @$$ if they think I’ll be party to any of this when the SHTF. Rant over.

        • YH

          When things don’t make sense one needs to step back and look at a bigger picture to get a better perspective. If you think the President planned Egypt, Syria or anything else your mistaken. The President is selling plans made by others.

          The only thing that does make sense is Al Qaeda has an office within the CIA. AQ causes problems which justify a US response usually in the form of a military occupation. Indonesia has the greatest Islamic population in the world exceeding 300 million but there are no terrorists there. Of course they are not on top of oil resources. Terrorists are not running to resource rich Africa so they can evil attacks upon US citizens. It’s just interesting that they picked places with significant gold resources.

          Shakespeare said, “All the world is a stage” . He had no idea how truthful that statement was.

          • Oh I dunno K2,
            Mali, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Algeria are all hot spots in Africa right now


      31. On a smaller scale , but didnt “they” stand down right before pearl harbor?, even though they knew it was on its way?

        just food for thought..

        • Dave, I didnt see your earlier post when I posted this, it must have been in moderation at the time..really thinking along the same lines..

        • +1 VRF Great point, didnt see that.

      32. In the 60’s anti-whites forced ALL and ONLY white countries to open their borders to non-white immigration. Then anti-whites forced ALL and ONLY white people to “integrate” or face penalties for being “naziswhowantokill6millionjews.” Now anti-whites are counting down the days for when ALL and ONLY white children become minorities and eventually extinct EVERYWHERE. It’s Genocide. “Anti-racist” is a codeword for anti-white.

      33. Another reason to be prepared, however you define that condition. The government is certainly preparing now more than ever. China is actively working its plan. Unfortunately the majority of the younger generation does not see the red warning flags. They see conservative thinking as yesterday’s thoughts not applicable to their life interest and desires. As this nation inevitably becomes more of them and less of us, they will have to learn how to survive as subjects instead of citizens.

      34. ever heard of a drone? we don’t need no stinkin balloon.

      35. All the more reason to believe Ovomit is out to destroy the country for his handlers.

        • Cities have turned into jungles.
          And Corruption is strangling the land.
          The Police force is watching the people.
          But the people can’t just understand.
          We don’t know how to mind our own business.
          Cause the whole world has to be just like us.
          Now we a fighting a War over there.
          No matter who’s the winner.
          We can’t pay the cost.

          Cause there’s a Monster on the loose.
          He’s put our heads into a noose.
          And he just sits there,

          America, where are you now?
          Don’t you care about, Your Sons and Daughters?
          Don’t you know, we need you now.
          We can’t fight alone against the Monster.

          By Steppenwolf
          Monster. 1970

      36. Maybe they are doing this because the Drone program is already up and running we just dont know it yet

        • VRF,

          I’ve never of anyone hijacking and stealing a 15,000 foot tall tethered balloon. I have heard of unmanned drones being remotely taken over and stolen though. I bet that occurs a lot more than we know. Hopefully the bad guys are getting dumber by the day, but I won’t hold my breath.

          • Yep I hear ya

        • This IS the reason for getting rid of the balloons. The balloons required that you inflate,anchor, windout, windin, and deflate. The drones can move where you want them with very little prep. Neither works real well in a storm, but the drone is quicker to redeploy and can have offensive weapons. It also can follow slower intrusions and take them out. I guess if I worked for the balloon company, I would be upset.

      37. BI, once again, I have to agree with your analysis and it’s horrifying to even think about it. Looks like anytime after March 15th, it may be party time. My birthday is on March 16th. If TSHTF on that day, I’ll never celebrate it again. Nobody knowd for sure what to expect. I’ve heard a lot of different scenarios outlined over the years and I think any of them are possible. We’re just not going to know for sure until it hits. In the meantime, I’m still prepping and keeping my powder dry. Braveheart

        • This is like the 6th time I’ve heard March 15th.

          WTF happens on March 15th?

          What’s this all about?

      38. The entire world resembles a powder-keg in a room full of monkeys with matches. As economic conditions worsen around the world the poor, destitute and unemployed increasingly have begun to revolt against their banker masters. Money printing, reporting fraudulent economic data and pretending to make debt payments with newly issued debt does not employ anyone or put food in the mouths of the people. With worldwide unemployment surpassing 200 million, food and energy prices surging, peasants in the Far East treated like slave laborers, politicians stealing from the people to enrich their banker owners, and young people losing hope for a better tomorrow, the likelihood of strikes, protests, armed revolution, and war is high. (I like the first line.)
        The above was copied from an article by james quinn.The full article can be read @ the market oracle.co.uk
        titled: the existing social order will be swept away.

        • It was interesting, listening to NPR this morning, they were interviewing some woman who i guess is some sort of analyst, the leaders of the EU are saying crises over, but like she was saying things are still a mess and many of those countries are in a depression, i almost think it would be better if these assinine politicians and government people would just tell it like it is rather than trying to buffalo everyone into this false sense of stability, anyone with half a brain can see that things are screwed up, its sort of crazy, i think also will make things much worse when it does collapse,

          • “asinine”

            SELCO – “When they tell you everything is fine you know everything gonna fall apart.”

      39. i have to apologize. i didn’t realize this site and how the people in it want These here United States of America to be only for the God Fearing Whites. everyone else would be lumped in to the liberal commie satanist atheist muslim zionist nazi gay fascist marxist etc etc etc that needs to be eradicated from the face of this country and for the most part, the world.

        you aren’t any better than the boogeyman you all are screaming about and fearful of. Your God would want you to love and respect your brothers and your sisters but you refuse to interpret the words your read in your bible for what it really is. you make it so that those words are cookie cut to your standards. you choose not to have a deeper understanding of others around you and instead revel in your ignorance under the guise of the word of the Lord. you aren’t any better than the elitists that want to massacre you because we are all useless feeders. you realize that if it was you who had the power that they had that you would probably do with us, different from you, what they plan to do with all of us now. you hate that they look at us like cattle. that we aren’t human, but the fucking racial hate spewed around here already shows that the humanity that the good book preaches has already eroded.

        you all talk a good game about preserving the freedom that everyone holds so dearly to their heart but only for your exclusive club. everyone else who does not fit the mold can go fuck off and die.

        news flash to you and your fucking club. if there was ever a God and you had a chance to ask him, i’m sure he or she would tell you that the reason he created all man equally was because he loved them all equally.

        • @AsianPrep – colorful melting pot america has a very large asian , african , muslim , mexican as well as vary diverse religious communities … prejudice is as American as Apple Pie no one person can say they are completely without prejudice … the few ignorant whites here who scream WHITE PRIDE here are only human they fear what is happening and show it in their bigotry .

          Don’t get Angry with their ignorance , enlighten them by sharing your life and culture with us here @shtfplan pls .

          Don’t go off half cocked because of a few simple minded ignorant whites who are just as scared as every one else about what is happening to the world by the ZOG NJO – ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT NEW JEW ORDER .

          If it means any thing at all “I got your back here @AsianPrep ;0) , your solid an appreciated by me .”

          ~N.O. ;0p

        • Anyone still buying into the left/right paradigm isn’t smart enough to survive the collapse of america. I am so amused by people here who claim others are ‘drinking the kool-aide’ and yet still believe liberals, progressives, and atheists are the problem. As a progressive, I would fight tooth and nail to keep america free. I would be the first one to stand a post with christians if the government ever tried to round up believers. I believe in a country where we are ALL free. Obama like the Bushes, Clintons, and Reagan are all tools of empire. Our government isn’t the problem. It’s those that control the government.

          • Where the hell did you come from? I have been carrying all the weight on this blog for months. It’s about time.

            On the religion side, I tend to notice that on the likes/dislikes for key posts, the pro-seperation/secular leaning comments get 50-35 percent of the vote so a third to a half of the readers are at least willing to tolerate non-christians, and/or are not christians.

            Although this just proves that the others are not speaking up 😉

        • WTF is your problem?

        • Sometimes hate is all you have left to take you thru a battle. We can save our Apologies for later.

        • Name a first world country that isnt run by whites. Explain to us what good has ever come out of liberal commie satanist atheist muslim zionist nazi gay fascist marxist scum. How much have women and minorities comtributed to the world? The reason we hate non-WASP males is 95% of them are brainless and have so self-control. Not because of skin colour. So dont give us that. God sure must love stupid people…he made so many of them.

          • congratulations for being part of the ruling class. so what do you get as your membership perks for being the Elite WASP class? oh that’s right.. you don’t get shit. you’re in this site with everyone else waiting for the shit to hit the fan. you don’t get a get out of FEMA camp card. you don’t get a space for you and your family at one of the numerous well stocked underground bunkers in the Ozarks. what you do get is that uneasy feeling of why the chinese is owning your country. that uneasy feeling the mexicans are crawling through the borders and setting up their anchor babies faster than you can spell landscapers. that uneasy feeling that your college aged kid is getting swept aside while the nguyens and patels are on their way to being doctors. that uneasy feeling that your teen WHITE ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT son’s idol isn’t you because he’s too busy being a little WIGGER.

            don’t worry. even if you are in the shit hole with the rest of us….GOD STILL LOVES YOU.

            • Hook, line, and.. sinker!

              • Have to agree. Asian has a point.




                • However, I apologize if it is for visual reasons. I know a few people who are older and have vision issues so type in all caps. For everyone else, there is no excuse.

      40. Depends on which bad guys we’re talkin about….the ones in DC are getting dumber by the day…


        AMERIKA will soon become a Fascist MEDIEVAL Mafia Controlled Kingdom … where Local Political Crime Mafia Families and their own Goon Gestapo Police / Security will Enforce a Brutal Fascist Law upon All Tax Debt Serfs and Slaves .


        Start looking for valleys, hill tops , secluded lakes , secluded properties you can turn into GATED CEMENT WALLED COMMUNITIES with others who can afford to build and live in such communities , where you can hire your own armed guards to protect you !

        You think I’m joking … I’m not . Most of the 2nd 3rd World lives in this fashion I experienced myself in South America and Asia .


        This is only the beginning of THE DESTRUCTION OF Once Free AMERIKA !



        Nothing happens without a reason … this is a planned decommissioning of the southern radar detection system . A system that worked fairly well , maybe too well !



        BYE BYE MOM and AMERICAN PIE ~ R.I.P. 1776 . ;0( sniff


        IT ONLY GETS WORSE FROM HERE … any one who says differently is a liar .

        ~N.O. ;0p

      42. Jim Sinclair: US Hyperinflation to Start Mid 2013, Run Through 2017! Legendary gold trader Jim Sinclair sent subscribers a shocking and MUST READ email alert last night regarding the possibility that the dollar as reserve currency will enter the initial stages of hyperinflation by mid-year, and the effects the debasement of the dollar will have on gold.
        Sinclair states that by midyear of 2013 the US Federal Reserve will have to make a decision in order to keep the US bond market which is US interest rates at the low levels that have been promised until employment has made a sustained recovery and that The Fed’s defense of the US bond market is demanded by the huge pile of original and old OTC derivatives that still haunt the monetary system as specific performance contracts with any financing floating in cyber space. This could drop the US dollar below .7200 to .5600 on the USDX in a short period of time. http://www.silverdoctors.com/jim-sinclair-us-hyperinflation-to-start-mid-2013-run-through-2017/

      43. Come on, guys, airships are good platforms but outdated and outclassed by satellite and drone platforms. Replacement with better stuff is good.

      44. Just some stupid news, and a heads up..more government funded road extorsion coming for the big D

        And not to mention a welcoming party for the gangs..these dip shit politicians have lost thier minds

        this is all about revinue generation, they have no dam money so they are going to get it out of the people on the street instead of going after the real crime
        See, they dont make any money enforcing laws, and catching theifs, and arrest warrent jumpers, they are making thier money off the taxpayers twice..first thru taxes, second thru forced highway robbery, and this doesnt get the crime rate down

        The Detroit Police Department will eliminate its gang and tactical units to add about 100 officers to homicide, criminal investigations and traffic enforcement, the city announced Wednesday.

        TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT is code for fleecing the people driving cars, period..this is to pay the judges, cops and lawyers salaries because the kitty is empty due to corruption and mismanagement..sick of this shit

      45. I stood there next to BoBo when the caskets came off of the airplane and put my arms around the surviving family. Do you like my hunter green phat pant suit and black horn glasses? I take full responsibility.

        • “What Difference Does It Make”

          • When she is left hanging from the gallows alongside BO and the rest of em maybe then they will understand what difference it makes.

      46. Hillary, you have the blood of 4 dead Americans that were located in Libya on your hands. What is esp. sad is the Amer. public have the attention span of a 1st grader. They will forget and will probably elect you as the next Ruler/President in 2016. Time to get a female in the white house. May God help us All. The borders have always been a contention regarding security. This article concerns me. It is out of my control though.

      47. Let them come. I will give them a map to Obama’s house !

      48. That shutdown of the system is a two way street. It’s surmised that the intelligence agencies smuggled guns to Mexican Drug Gangs to “manage” the war on drugs by preventing any one gang from becoming so powerful so as to take complete control of the Mexican Government. That being said in a post Fast and Furious world some gun runs by air complements of the CIA is probably in the works on a resupply mission.

      49. We all know they need to use those resources to PROTECT US from Hostile Canadians!

        It’s also about “punishing” Texas and Arizona for wanting freedom.


          • Wow, you said something i am in full compliance with.

      50. Freeman.. My spidey senses are ringing.

        Hello guys, i’ve been reading up on you guys for some time and back and forth on other sites. Today kind of was a weird day. First Hilliary and her bull$hit dancing around the questions. Then audio streaing some atlanta conservative radio talking about taxes, bunk-ass-health-care we have now and the i.r.s. plan to count 2 partimers as one full time… Wow the bull$hit doesnt stop. Then Eric Erreson talked about big bankers, O hand picking the elites and forgetting or leaving out the small buisness. another words talking about how much they controll now and the resources.

        Then audio streamed jones. He had a guy that talked about the things from yesterdays article from this site. then mentioned i think the guys name eric rush, I recently read an article from eric rush on canda free press.

        Well weird part is. I talked to a buddy (very informative man) months back about russian attack sub in gulf of mexico i think june-july(ish) time frame. And some things i read up on chinese troops in mexico. He had a buddy from an agency that was helping train mexican soldiers. Then he replied they (mexico) kicked them out. Mentioned china purchased a base their. Im assuming they did not want their pressence their.

        When i got home and read this off of this site. WOW!!!!

      51. Stay with me on this, when the communists took over in the USSR all the mainstream church leaders were tripping over themselves to proclaim how communisim was indeed the same as Christianity. Now we have this current Vatican welcoming Obama’s gun control initiative, the Vatican is also on record as approving a “one world government”. Now we have Obama dismantling our southern defense radar system, especially at a time when the Chinese AND Iranians are working on low altitude missiles. Couple this with the move to ban “assault” weapons, we have the perfect recipe for disaster. Ladies and Gentlemen I have enjoyed this site immensely but I fear our demise may soon be at hand, it appears that the despots in Washington are about to make their move. On Infowars today I read an article describing how high level military promotions are being awarded to those who WILL shoot on American citizens, couple that with NDAA, abridgement of the first amendment regarding protests in “restricted” government buildings and areas, I cannot believe it would be possible to paint a clearer picture. As we used to say in the Navy, “standby for heavy rolls!!!”

        • I may be wrong, but I think this “low altitude surveilance system” is really about the tethered balloon program used on the southern border that primarily, monitors ILLEGALS.

          While cruise missiles are an unlikely threat, what O’Bummer is really doing is making it easier for ILLEGALS to get through the desert.

          This move facilitates Illegal immigration as part of the overall PLAN to erode the American culture, and dissolve the US constitution.

          That’s the goal. Lock and Load. Engage.

        • Batten down the hatches.

        • As we say in the Militia, “Roll with it”…

          – man with a rifle

      52. Sad part is, none of this is necessary

        • It is necessary if your goal is the dissolution of the US Constitution and the merger of America with Mexico into the NAU under UN auspices.

          Engage these MF’s or apply for Mexican citizenship and learn Spanish.

      53. I miss the 80’s.

        – Dumbfoundedly bored

      54. I farted…….and it reminded me of Daisy,…..but now I have no pain !

      55. Those who know me on this site, know I am against firing first… for righteousness never fires first…

        Add to the list the Chinese demanding Obama disarm us?
        Selling out major portions of the country to them?
        Promoting murderers in the military?
        Now this?
        This old vet is about ready to lace up them boots.
        If Feinstein introduces a National Gun Registry as being ‘common sense’ … then its time folks.


        Let the motto go out across the land…
        Not this time.

      56. Is this a serious news article? Does the United States not have, oh, I don’t know…

        Satellite Coverage
        Human Intelligence
        Fixed Wing Aircraft

        That can cover the southern border?

        Balloons? Really? THAT is the primary mode of aircraft detection ?

        Sounds like crap to me.

        Sounds like a bunch of ‘balloon repairmen’ are out of a job and want to bitch about it.

        What a bunch of tools…and this site is a tool for taking this kind of thing seriously.



      57. Good God

        This site used to be about preparing with intelligent articles by reputable sources with facts to back them up.

        Daisy,Burt the Brit.manos.BeInformed,Norseprepper,braveheart, and the like..

        Now it has become the alternative site for Steve Quayle,Lindsey Williams, Alex Jones and Larry Hagman hysterical bullshit ad nauseum..

        The National Enquirer for paranoid delusional conspiracies times a million.

        All conjecture
        All sensationalism
        All bullshit

        and no facts to back it up..

        much like obama’s hope and change and forward

        all koolaid drinkers..


        • I am going back to my trusted 2nd amendment ,prepper, and Constitutional/Bill of Rights for real time, real issue factual non sensational facts..


      58. Meet a Lobbyist Whore of Babylon(wash dc)…

        Meet A Traitor Lobbyist Whore of Babylon(wash dc) Congresswoman Emerson who’s family has a long entrenched history of selling out the AmeriKan Tax Debt Slaves once free people citizens for a Fiat $$$ Dollar or a Million Fiat $$$ Dollars whoring as LOBBYISTS ON CAPITAL HILL !

        Congresswoman Emerson Re-Elected In November Resigns To Take a Lobbyist WHORE JOB FOR A COOL MILLION FIAT $$$ DOLLARS !


        ~N.O. ;0p

        * see link below …

          • WHAT IS A private party LOBBYISTS ?

            Lobbying in the United States describes paid activity in which special interests hire well-connected professional advocates, often lawyers, to argue for specific legislation in decision-making bodies such as the United States Congress. It is a highly controversial phenomenon, often seen in a negative light by journalists and the American public, and frequently misunderstood.[1] While lobbying is subject to extensive and often complex rules which, if not followed, can lead to penalties including jail, the activity of lobbying has been interpreted by court rulings as free speech and protected by the Constitution. Since the 1970s, lobbying activity has grown immensely in terms of the numbers of lobbyists and the size of lobbying budgets, and has become the focus of much criticism of American governance. Since lobbying rules require extensive disclosure, there is a wealth of data in the public sphere about which entities lobby, how, at whom, and for how much. The current pattern suggests much lobbying is done by corporations although a wide variety of coalitions representing diverse groups is possible. Lobbying happens at every level of government, including federal, state, county, municipal, and even local governments. In Washington, lobbying usually targets congresspersons, although there have been efforts to influence executive agency officials as well as Supreme Court appointments. It has been the subject of academic inquiry in various fields, including law, public policy, and economics. While the number of lobbyists in Washington is over twelve thousand, those with real clout number in the dozens, and a small group of firms handles much of lobbying in terms of expenditures.[citation needed] As an activity, lobbying takes time to learn, and requires skill and sensitivity, and depends on deft persuasion, and has much in common with generally non-political activities such as management consulting and public relations.

            Lobbying in the United States


      59. We better watch out or the mighty Uruguayian Air Force is gonna fly their Tupulev Bison Bombers due north and drop … tacos on Miami. What a bunch of bull this article is.
        We’re worried about “drug smugglers?” Since when is it the government’s business what competent consenting adults smoke, swallow or inject if doing so harms no innocent party? Don’t you get it that the “War on Drugs” was the first step toward militarizing the police and gutting our rights one step at a time? This sounds like neo-con whining that one ten millionth of the “defense” budget might be cut and the folk who get a hard on from having cool toys to play with that go “Boom” might see those resources used for something productive. The world would be far less dangerous for us individually and as a nation if Uncle Sam minded his own business. The article is fear mongering bullsh*t.

      60. “Massive Inflation” is Coming to AmeriKa

        They are going to “Kill the Dollar” through massive printing Inflation – which de-bases the AmeriKan fiat dollar . It will effect the entire world !

        what does that mean for you ???

        *** it means your dollars buys less and less every day over the next 20 years , it takes more and more of your fiat dollars to buy stuff … i.e. gallon of gas $9.00 , gallon of milk $7.50 , gallon of orange juice $8.00 etc etc and the prices just keep climbing UP as your wages GO DOWN become less and less … so AmeriKans can compete against the international labor force from around the world .

        AmeriKan Tax Debt Slaves Serfs will Suffer much in the years ahead .

        Pre-Buy now for the next 3 years i.e. food , fuel , medicines , paper products , clothing , shoes , etc etc .

        If you can … buy real money physical p.m.’s . Only 3% of american’s even own p.m.’s .

        ~N.O. ;0P

      61. Clinton Took Air Marshalls off the planes. Terrorist were able to take over the plane with box cutters. They knew the chances of someone on those planes armed and skilled to take them out would to zilch.

        Now Obama takes away the network to detect low flying birds coming in. Guess what a Cessna 310 or other stolen bird with a good 500 kiloton weapon flying flow out of Monterrey into Corpus Christi to refuel then hugs the coast to Galveston and then heads north into Deer Park or Even Beaumont if they have the fuel. Get over Trinity Bay and pull up to 5000 feet AGL or higher and Hit the button.
        Goodbye Liquid Hydrocarbon refining stations and the ability to refine crude. Hello martial law in 3 hours.

      62. Howdy all. Just got home from work, again, and had to stop in and catch up.

        Read through all of the comments, and have to agree with the majority. The next false flag will likely come from the south.

        A few mentioned biological attack. Good bet for that. I said something along those lines on my first ever comment here, and a late spring-early summer timeline. Two reasons why I feel this in my gut:

        A. Reason to declare Martial Law and shut everything down.

        B. Soften up any resistance that might be forming to pose a threat. Can toss the survivors into those FEMA camps that don’t seem to exist.

        Now, some are saying “No, they are just replacing out-dated equipment, old technology, those damn high maintenance balloons, etc, etc.”

        Maybe, but forgive me for being just a wee bit paranoid at this juncture. I have to look for other possibilities when it comes to dealing with these MFs.

        Continuing with the prepping here.

      63. and now North Korea making missle threats you see its a dumb ass move like this that would cuase us to be crippled by little sore asshole north korea wtf


        Hmmm let’s think about this…

        1. Civilization in decline. Check.

        2. Government stealing private wealth. Check

        3. Government disincentivizing business creation. Check

        4. Government not responding to the will of the people. Check

        5. Government bankrupting the country. Check

        6. Government buying up all the Ammo. Check

        7. Government trying to “Dis-Arm The People” through government sponsored directed False-Fag domestic terror operations. Check

        8. Government creating a DHS Civilian Brown Shirt Black Jack Booted Million Man GESTAPO Domestic Terror Martial Law enforcing Security Force. BIG FAT CHECK ;0p

        … it’s All enough to make a Constitutionalist AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot start whistling “Yankee Doodle Dandy” as he dusts off cleans an oils his Battle rifle of choice – Marlin Lever Action .45-70 .

        Got enough Ammo Preppers and Patriots ???

        * I encourage you all if financially possible , even team up with others – neighbors friends church members to buy NOW the primers , gun powder , gear and bullet molds now required to make your own bullets and hand re-load your primary arms ammo of choice .

        Got Ammo Re-Load Capability ???

        ~N.O. ;0p

        • Yankee Doodle

          Various European countries claim the original of the tune we know as Yankee Doodle, and it was the British who brought the tune to America during the French and Indian Wars. The opening words of the song refer to the fact that when Oliver Cromwell rode horseback into Oxford in 1653 he wore a hat decorated with a single feather fastened by an elaborate knot — an Italian decoration called a “macaroni.” The British troops used the song and the term sarcastically, to ridicule the makeshift appearance of the dress of American Colonial troops. When the Revolution began, the Americans adopted the song as a rallying tune, and it was played by fifers and drummers in every camp and battle. At the British surrender at Yorktown on Oct. 19, 1781, the American army band played Yankee Doodle to celebrate the American victory.


          Yankee Doodle went to town,
          A-riding on a pony,
          He stuck a feather in his hat
          And called it macaroni.

          (CHORUS) Yankee Doodle, keep it up,
          Yankee Doodle dandy,
          Mind the music and the step,
          And with the girls be handy.

          Father and I went down to camp,
          Along with Captain Goodin’,
          And there we see the men and boys
          As thick as hasty puddin’.


          And there was Gen’ral Washington,
          Upon a slapping stallion,
          A-giving orders to his men-
          I guess there was a million.


          A long war then was fought and won:
          The British were defeated,
          And Yankee Doodle was the march
          To which their troops retreated.


      65. Lady Liberty – America needs your Help -n- Protection from Global Tyranny

        Grab your Guns and Rifles “Lady Liberty – America” needs You All Free AmeriCan Patriots and Preppers …

        She is being Threatened by the NWO UN ZOG Freemason Banker Globalists and a Bunch of AmeriKan Zionist Commie Fascist Traitor Politician Prostitutes in Wash DC !

        God Bless the U.S.A. song by Lee Greenwood


        ~N.O. ;0p

      66. Calm down there AmeriCan FreeMan Patriot. There is nothing to worry about. Women are now going to be allowed to fight on the front lines. We can all relax now.

      67. Not surprised. As every other country in the world beefs up their defenses we take ours down. Today North Korea announce it is again testing testing a long range missile that would be capable of striking the u.s. Obama and his regime wont be happy till we are hit with a major attack. They are to worried about making sure everybody is getting the entitlement checks and making government bigger. God help us if North Korea, China, Iran, and Russia all decide to come together at the same time.

        • maybe they have already done so but befor the big move califonia she bitch demon has the get the sheeple disarmed wake up from the matrix

      68. No better time than the present to introduce another false flag attack.

      69. (Our southern border in danger)…Back it up with a reliable source!!!…or cut the crap!!!,there is enough real crap out their without making this stuff up!!!…..Please anyone???

        • Had a discussion with an officer who has worked on the military budget cuts.

          I was needling him about the Russian sub in the Gulf of Mexico.

          He responded, what do you expect? We can’t afford to turn on our Nations Anti Sub devices in the waters bordering our coast, we don’t have the man power to monitor it either.

          Now our Southern border is wide open, if the Chinese come in from the South we’ll know that the rumors of their existence in Mexico are true.

      70. Could it be the birth of the North American Union is closer ? Soon the Mexican borde and the Canadian border shall be removed and we will become one ! Won’t it be just grand if Obama disarms us with thousands of high powered weapons given to Mexican drug lords free to come on in ? Sick azz basta@rds ! Time is running short people l soon once the 30,000 drones are flying , our last chance will have come and gone !

      71. Great, now how are we supposed to know when the Chinese hiding in Mexico are going to invade us? Silly President, it’s like he wants us to lose…

        • No he wants them to win!

      72. Well, i see this story has raised some eyebrows

        lets keep one simple thing in mind here

        The Gubment dont stop usin nuttin til it got sumptin better!!

        Case in point: SR-71 old news Mothballed
        Sattelite technology “Better”

        Space Shuttle old news mothballed
        Mini Military Space shuttle “Better”

        I could go on and on…

        1 Drop defences! Not that blatantly
        2 Selective ignoring of a threat! 9-11, 7-7, 8-8, bengazzi

        the Watcher

      73. Remember, there is only 545 of them.

      74. I used to go down to Mexico a lot back in the 50’s and 60’s I went down there for the weed and friendships that I had down there. Those were beautiful times. All I remember is the love and the tranquillity of sleeping under the stars outside an old house with no worries. The people were wonderful. I don’t know what happened, it’s as if an invisible hand is behind it all and the perversion is coming straight from a hellish demonic dimension. Perhaps it is emanating from such a place? It seems the world is getting more harsh and dark as every day progresses? I wonder if it’s just me? But aren’t things getting darker everyday? It seems that new news comes out every day and it is always more horrid and gruesome than before. I don’t know where all of this will end? But it certainly seems that a world cataclysm of some kind is at hand.

        • We all see it, Indio….
          “something wicked this way comes”

          Or the full verse from Macbeth:
          “By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.”


      76. Can someone explain why he has not been charged with treason? If this is not “aiding and abetting the enemy” what is? He has intentionally opened our border to attack from any number of enemies so where is the outrage? Where are the cries for treason??? Is America so stupid as to not see what this means???

      77. Maybe what comes from the south in the air will not be a threat but someone fleeing and in dire need. The world is changing.

      78. I guess this means I can get a job with the cartel flying in drug shipments. YAY finally back to work!!

      79. Does anyone actually think Obongo gives a rats ass about our borders? The same borders that have not really existed for over forty years now?

      80. Okay people, when is the revolution coming to stop this maniac?

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