The Real Skynet: New NSA Autonomous Weapons System Intercepts Threats and Retaliates Automatically

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    The name of it is telling.

    “MonsterMind.”

    They could just as easily have called it Skynet, the computer network of Terminator franchise fame that eventually led to the destruction of the modern world.

    Though not as advanced just yet, MonsterMind is a new autonomous cyber weapons system developed by the National Security Agency and according to Edward Snowden is capable of not only intercepting every single digital communication within the United States, but it can automatically detect and launch retaliatory strikes without any human involvement if a threat has been identified.

    During the interview Snowden explained a previously unrevealed NSA cyber weapon called “MonsterMind,” which has the capability to detect incoming cyber attacks and retaliate automatically without any human supervision. Such a program has dangerous global reactionary implications, according to Snowden, who said such cyber-attacks are often routed through computers inside innocent and unsuspecting third-party countries.

    “These attacks can be spoofed,” Snowden said. “You could have someone sitting in China, for example, making it appear that one of these attacks is originating in Russia. And then we end up shooting back at a Russian hospital. What happens next?”

    Beyond the possibility of mutually assured cyber-destruction, Snowden explained that for the weapon to work, the signals intelligence agency would have to compromise the privacy of “virtually all private communications coming in from overseas to people in the U.S.”

    “The argument is that the only way we can identify these malicious traffic flows and respond to them is if we’re analyzing all traffic flows,” Snowden said. ”And if we’re analyzing all traffic flows, that means we have to be intercepting all traffic flows. That means violating the Fourth Amendment, seizing private communications without a warrant, without probable cause or even a suspicion of wrongdoing. For everyone, all the time.”

    The military is actively working to build robotic soldiers and pilots that, like “MonsterMind,” would be capable of making autonomous decisions.

    Does anyone else see a potential problem(s) with this?

    In addition to essentially giving the NSA complete access to literally every single digital communication taking place on U.S. soil whether it originates from a foreign entity or not, the government is now actively building artificial intelligence networks that are designed to make their own decisions. The question of who develops and instill the rules or parameters for these new cyber organisms is unclear, but if history is any guide, there is a very strong likelihood that they will be set forth by some secretive committee much like the anti-terrorism laws being “overseen” by a shadow judicial system.

    Two critical issues arise immediately, and we’re sure there will be more to follow as more information about these systems is leaked in coming months and years.

    The first was pointed out by Edward Snowden. Despite how advanced we believe these systems to be, if human hackers have proven anything it’s that every computer based system ever designed has vulnerabilities. They can be beaten. Take, for example, that the Pentagon’s own network was hacked by foreign intelligence services. Or that Chinese hackers were able to compromise 23 operational spacecraft by hacking NASA’s highly secured Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

    Consider a hypothetical situation where the United States and Russia are on the brink of war. We say hypothetical because in today’s stable and peaceful globalized society super powers would never actually go to war. But say the Chinese wanted to have the Russians do their bidding, and we realize that this is a hypothetical too, because no country, especially China, would ever consider such a manipulation. But if they did, the same Chinese hackers who compromised some of America’s most secure systems could simply spoof an attack on U.S. stock markets to make it look like they came from Russia. The autonomous MonsterMind system could intercept the attack and retaliate in any number of ways, including a retaliatory economic strike or something worse, like taking down Russia’s power grid.

    In such an instance, the response from Russia could very easily go off-line and lead to real-world conflict, involving actual human beings getting deleted and not just computer systems.

    Second, while MonsterMind is reportedly designed to monitor for cyber threats like those described above, we must also keep in mind that it is literally tracking our every move, not just online but at grocery store point-of-sale terminals, toll tag booths, and even our cell phone microphones and cameras.

    In that respect, some of the protocols by which it operates could be expanded to include threats originating in the cyber world and identifying potential real-world “terrorists” by behaviors in which they engage. Perhaps you know someone who is suspected of being a suspected terrorist or you join an online community that disagrees with the government’s policies. Whatever the case, MonsterMind and its future iterations could very easily be modded and upgraded to encompass threat assessments and retaliatory strikes on not just foreign computer systems, but actual humans living in the United States.

    While MonsterMind and similar systems may seem like a national security necessity in today’s world of cyber threats, it is important to keep in mind that we have now entered an era in which computers are going to be making the final decisions on who lives and dies.

    The question that everyone should be asking is, ‘who gets to make the rules?’

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      152 Comments

      1. waterislife

        Anyone else having visions of the terminator movie franchise with this?

        • eppe

          We need to ‘Obola’ bomb the NSA…

          • eppe

            Snowden for president…. We have done worse, like the present….

            • What?

              Snowden sure has been quiet for awhile.

              Six months ago, i was thinking we would have a new blockbuster story almost every week.

              I am a bit disappointed.

              Wishful thinking?

              • Smokey

                Quite wishful. With the US pullout of combat troops from Iraq, and Afghanistan on low burner, any Snowden revelations are only hurting the Obama administration directly. The media is not going to go after Obama once they reach a point of looking like they are going after him, nor will they publish anything regarding the State Dept., Hillary needs protected.

                • clinthospo

                  off topic but important- I believe they already know that its past the point or impossible to secure our southern border so they will use resources to capture whoever they can and just try to manage it so it looks like they are doing the best they can with the current laws and budgeted amount of money per year. I think its defend for yourself and they know it. Now keep your eye on the economy before she comes tumbling down. We are running out of time but I do believe we will see something major hit us in the next few years. Pretty sad how our honor and integrity have gone down the hole compared to this new generation. Crazy times. Cops are going to get worse. DO you really think the police are going to start slowing down the military tactics. Its gone and now we have to do what we have to do.

                  • the renegade braveheart

                    Clint, I agree but I don’t believe we have a few years. I still feel like something will happen between now and the midterm elections. I can feel it.

                  • Man on the inside.

                    People vilify Putin, but what is really going on here is he does not what the EU-USA version of the NWO. He wants his own. This is why Obummer and the EU are after him. They also know that the end is near. It will start as a slow decline of all that is West (all ready happening). There will be less freedom and more surveillance and militarized police (AKA Ferguson MO, Bunkley ranch ect). Then comes the battle of the bands (currency BRICS vs the Dollar vs the Euro) which will end with a (sort of) one world currency. Add in the wars the NWO folks start and fund and walla you have the end as we know it. It has begun and the next 18 months it is going to get much worse…… Ramp it up boys and girls…. Time is short…. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS.

                  • Calgagus

                    The irony of it all is advanced technology will bring whats left of civilization down to the pre-industrial age.

                    Prep for life w/out gadgets and AC electricity.

              • Winston Smith

                WIRED did a big spread on him today. I haven’t finished reading it yet though so I can’t say what it was about.

                • Gregory8

                  Pardon me for pointing out the obvious: Why did Snowden, who was a 29 y/o contractor, walk out of their H.Q. with virtually everything they had on a couple of thumb-drives? Just how ‘bad’ can this agency really be if they can be bested by some kid? Move on folks, nothing to see here.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                When Car thieve Hackers want to steal a car today, they have options. Lets say they want a Cadillac, They hack into OnStar GPS location system, get the coordinated where a Cadillac is, then remotely unlock the car,start the engine and all someone has to do then is walk up get in and drive away.

                If a pro hacker wanted they could also hack into Onstar nationwide system, take over the system and lets say during rush hour traffic, while cars are flying down the highway, automatically shut the cars off and make the car take a hard left sending the car into oncoming traffic if they wanted. Just like those COP Sting decoy cars they set up to catch car thieves, shutting all power off and th car rolls to a stop, locking the doors and people are trapped. Imagine that chaos.

                Technology is NOT your friend. Disable all of those features and black boxes. Boycott companies that installs those features.

                I bet hackers could also have hijacked those Malaysian airplanes, over ridden the onboard computer, navigation and power controls, and flew them remotely. Just like they do for drones.

                Its a mess, its insane, it going to get really messy.

            • Be informed

              Machines are basically just extensions of those whom built them. Since those that constructed any type of automatic self defense are usually, if not always, wicked and have no one’s best interest, you can expect the worst. Machines that do have artificial intelligence and can learn on their own would see just how truly ignorant human beings have become and probably would decide that the world needed to be purged. Final conclusion, leave the decisions still in the hands of people, not with some circuit, and hope those people have a least a little common sense left.

        • admin

          I couldn’t help it Waterislife… I had to update the title and add a blurb in the article to include Skynet.

          I know these are serious topics, but the Terminator series pretty much sums up the end result of where this is all headed.

          They have built or are building all of the systems we saw in the movies. But this time it won’t be Hollywood and John Connor will be drone striked before he ever has a chance to lead any resistance…

          • Be informed

            @ Mac. Any resistance to tyranny, both machines or evil humans will be by the 1%, not the 99% ostriches that WANT government control, the 1% that prepares and still have their heads screwed on correctly. 🙂

            • the renegade braveheart

              Mac and BI, this is one of the scariest articles I’ve ever read. Think of the implications of this. Computers and/or robots trying to play God. I don’t care what kind of machine tries to decide the fate of braveheart. Braveheart will stand up and say NO and RESIST! Any human threat is serious enough, but robots are not invincible. There are ways to defeat them. If I’m confronted by a robot, I’ll blast it until it’s a useless heap of junk.

              • Anonymous

                Spoken like a true cartoon hero.

            • Anonymous

              “Five percent of the people think; ten percent of the people think they think; and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think.”
              – Thomas Edison

          • jerrytbg

            What also comes to mind, the “Corbin Project”.
            Talk about predictive programing…

            • jerrytbg

              oops “Forbin Project”

          • Sierra Dave

            Best to get all the 411 you could want in hardcopy or on a system that is fully unconnected. No wireless and no network jack. Sneakernet everything into it.

            Maps, defense constractors, government buildings, etc.

            Nothing illegal knowing all this stuff if nothing happens.

          • Casual Observer

            Can anyone say The Forbin project?

          • Marcus of Arrington

            I went to Disney world about 10 years ago with the wife and kids and saw the original Terminator model in a display case whilst walking to the next ride. There were probably 35 pneumatic lines to control the pneumatic cylinders in it arrayed out towards the back of the feet.
            HOLLYWOOD is Plastic. We give our species way too much credit in believing we have that level of technology. We can mount an M60 machine gun on a tracked radio controlled vehicle and give the remote control to a pair of boots on the ground. Having a computer make a decison equivalent to human thought is quite a way out in the future. Westworld hasn’t opened in Florida yet to my knowledge.

        • Myc hunt

          off topic:

          The pavement apes have given the thugs in camo an excuse to gas & shoot them. The excuse will be extended to apply to any of us.

      2. Anonymous

        I can’t go one frickin’ day without reading about how the government is screwing me. The crazy thing is that it is something different EVERY DAY.

        • Winston Smith

          Annonymous….WE know who you are….

          Sincerely, your fiends at the NSA.

        • Man on the inside.

          And when they screw you they don’t even buy you a drink.

      3. AC

        So . . . ‘Person of Interest’ is a documentary?

      4. AZClimber

        Terminator: The Skynet funding bill has passed. It goes online Aug 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self aware at 2:14 am eastern time, Aug 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

        Sarah: Skynet fights back.

        Terminator: Yes, it launches missiles at targets in Russia.

        John: Why attack Russia? Aren’t they our friends now?

        Terminator: Because Skynet knows the Russian counter attack will destroy its enimies over here.

        • eppe

          Aug 4 BO birthday….Aug 29 Michael Jackson birthday… Strange coincidence????

        • Acid Etch

          John: We’re not gonna make it are we? Humans I mean.

          T-800: It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves.

          John: Yeah. Major drag huh?

          • Sierra Dave

            I disagree. Most humans want to be left alone. A small percentage can’t play nice.

            • Walt Kowalski

              Only two kinds of people in the world……The first kind just want to be left alone…and the second kind won’t leave the first kind alone.

            • Acid Etch

              IT’S GOOD!!!

      5. ZombieDawg

        So theoretically it could launch an attack on US soil or presumably even on itself if it detected a suitably crafted terrorist threat coming from there.
        Best wait for REAL AI !!

      6. jacksofhearts

        i ain’t scared.

        got my own BFG and i know how to use it.

        jacks

          • Sinner

            Who’s this ZOG everyone keeps mentioning? Must be a real bad guy because it seems that he is responsible for everything from hemorrhoids to the war in Iraq….just ask’n

            • Smokey

              ZOG was an animated character in Toy Story 2, the archenemy of Buzz Lightyear, and finally defeated by the dinosaur toy in a nerf ball duel.

              Apparently, some childen were traumatized by this cartoon character and have carried their fears into adulthood. Ignore them, and they’ll grow out of it, like wetting the bed, even though it is a bit late for them.

              • jacksofhearts

                lol ;0) … you da’ funny man.

                Z.O.G. = ZIONIST (jew) OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT

                Z.O.G. is a 200 year old organized ZIONIST JEW 5th column take over of once free amerika by european zionist (fake)jew bankers.

                zog amerika is currently under the control of the 3rd attempted and completed Z.O.G. 5th column TAKE OVER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY/ AMERICA FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM AND ONCE FREE ZOG AMERIKA FEDGOV CORPORATION.

                jacks

              • Mcdave

                @ Smokey,
                Finally! I’ve wondering about that for years!
                It all makes sense now.

            • Anonymous

              The ZOG in question is so evil that even some of Jews are against their movement. It is not a religion rather it is hiding under a religious name but actually controls the money supply and the media. They are the master mind of creation of monsters named ISIS hand in hand with their satanic muslim brothers. Sadly many of the Christians have also sold their souls to these parasites. Only the above satanic creatures are the only one who can kill innocent children, women and unarmed men world wide.

            • Paranoid

              You forget: “Bad Breath n Dogs”

            • Nimrod Hunter

              Zog was the King of Albania. He didn’t actually cause hemorrhoids, but he got them, because he was shot in the ass in one of the 55 assassination attempts against him.

          • the renegade braveheart

            Jacksofhearts, I’ve got Bertha with 00 buckshot and #4 birdshot.

      7. logicrazy

        Real AI is here already it will soon be mainstream. In the next 15 years a computer will have more knowledge than all of mankind. Then it will see the only threat to man is man. We are screwed…

        • Daytona Matt

          The event you mention is called the “Watershed” moment. We passed that point sometime around 06′. I’ve made the threat from AI my speciality, and after tremendous amounts of research, it only frightens me that much more. I don’t even feel comfortable stating what I have.
          And yes, we are screwed.
          Standing ready in Daytona

      8. Barn Cat

        It’s crazy to worry about robotic systems coming to life. That’s the stuff of fiction.

        There should be a lot of concern over enemy hackers taking them over.

        • Sinner

          Here is a deep theological question for you Barn Crap.

          If Robots become as intelligent as people, do they have souls and will they be Raptured too before the seven year tribulation?

          Can some Robots be Jews?

          Poof…my Stove just disappeared, must be The Rapture?

          • grandee

            uh–no
            the answer to ur question is–no

          • What?

            Hey, MN boy,

            Mocking someone for their deeply held beliefs makes you appear to be a schmo.

            We all know that for the most part that isn’t the case, but at times it is hard to tell.

            In other news, Aunt Millie, having gone for a walk, is laying unconscious in a ditch on the outskirts of town.

            • AZClimber

              It’s fun to troll statists no matter their beliefs.

              • the renegade braveheart

                AZClimber, long time no hear from. how have you been?

                • AZClimber

                  Very good renegade. Work has me in Cali right now. I’m gonna swing by Yosemite for a nice climb before I head back to free land. It’s always nice to be missed. Take care brother.

          • Winston Smith

            No. Intelligence does not create a soul. It does not create sentience either. Plus, there is also a significant ontological distinction between a man and a machine, who created it, etc.

        • Acid Etch

          BULLSHIT

          The singularity point is coming sure as shit.

          • Winston Smith

            Singularity as to what exactly? If you are referring to a cybernetic future with a human/machine synergy then I would agree with you. If you are referring to a way to download your consciousness into a computer network then I don’t. Your consciousness as a human, what makes you you is a mixture of chemical signals as well as neural connections. If you lose your body then you lose the hormonal interactions that are part of being human. Not to mention that you would now lose the methodology of creating memory which also would fundamentally change your personhood. Also, as your brain is not digital, I see no way to digitize it in order to make it able to travel through a computer. Thus the singularity will remain science fiction. I can possibly see cybernetic enhancements to the human brain and body in the future, but I see no way to decouple the consciousness from the human brain.

            • slingshot

              It has been said that if man can think it, it can be done. Only technology holds him back.

        • Anonymous

          Barn…don’t worry it won’t trace anything in the barn.

      9. Warchild Dammit!

        Perhaps a world wide emp if it brings it all down not such a bad thing,we have knowledge and can rebuild,of course,they will then rebuild skynet!

      10. Sinner

        I think that my Toaster is out to get me. (sarcasm)

        ” They reach down your throat and tear out your fucking heart! What’s what they do!….That’s ALL they do!”
        *Kiel Reese

        • Acid Etch

          KYLE NOT KIEL

          • the renegade braveheart

            Acid, are you an English teacher by chance?

        • The Old Coach

          If you’ve got an Internet-enabled toaster and an iGadget of any kind, it may just be possible. Although it’s only acting as a tool of your refrigerator.

      11. Stan522

        If this US government hadn’t identified patriotic Constitutional American’s as terrorists, this wouldn’t be that great of a concern for most……

        • Navy Vet

          I read the Wired interview today that Snowden did from Russia. Very Revealing. One of the things revealed in the interview was the motivation for what he did., the blatant lie to Congress by Clapper where he answered NO to the question “Does the NSA spy on US citizens”.

          Also according to Snowden, he left tracks in the systems he accessed to download the documents that he used as the basis of the revelations that we have seen in the past year specifically so that NSA would find the ones took so that they would know in advance what he would be revealing According to Snowden, NSA is blatantly lying about the number of documents that he took. He slos says that until his revelations started to leak, NSA DID NOT KNOW that the documents had been compromised.

          Given the bumbling system security exhibited here, is it any wonder that foreign government agents have been able to penetrate DOD, CIA and NSA systems? Do we really have anything to fear, in the development of Monstermind, from a bunch of stumble bums that haven’t the wherewithal to protect their own systems and data from intrusion?

          • charlottenc

            Correct. If so easy to hijack, then needs power distributed. AI is a dream. Very complex computer programs is reality. Complexity includes errors and holes. If young snowboy can do that what is old sensei doing undetected? Only Iidiotic or traitor would remove human from decision process.

          • Winston Smith

            Yes, we do have something to fear…incompetence. Incompetence can be just as dangerous because of the unintended consequences of the actions of an incompetent person. Say someone incompetent works on maintaining a roller coaster. That person fails to torque a few key bolts and someone dies. It doesn’t matter that it was an honest mistake. People are still dead. The same will happen when incompetent government workers design and run these systems. People will die.

      12. B-17

        CLOSER …….CLOSER

        • Myc hunt

          Is my cat’s urinary tract health important?

          • burdenofknowing

            Yes, Myc hunt, it is.

      13. TEST

        Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of those self-congratulatory, self-appointed world leaders, wrote in his book, “Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technotronic Era,”

        “The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. ”

        Apparently, Herr Brzezinski and his self-appointed elite have never considered the words of the Roman satirist Juvenal, who asked ****Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?**** Who will watch the guards (who controls the controllers)?

        That question still is not answered, and never will be. Therein lies a major problem

        • Satori

          Brzezinski has proven,sad to say, to be quite the modern day prophet

        • Anonymous

          And we thought IDF only operates in ZOG territory of an occupied land killing innocents.

          • The Old Coach

            Anywhere that vermin need exterminating.

            • Anonymous

              Including your family POS old Coach.

        • the renegade braveheart

          I’ll take my Red Ryder and shoot out the eyes of those robots. [SARCASM]

      14. Acid Etch

        Remember that vitamin C degrades in preserved meat over time, especially with oxygen exposure. Be sure to completely vacuum seal when canning. You will need to have a vitamin C source or else you will get SCURVY. Your muscles will deteriorate, your skin will decompose and your teeth will fall out. SCURVY is not usually life threatening but in SHTF it sure will be.

        • fishandmud

          Pineneedle tea. That is all you need to no about vitamin C during SHTF

          • Mountain Trekker

            Wyoming has the plumpiest Rose Hips. Thats where I get my Vit,C Trekker Out.

            • lastmanstanding

              Montana has some great ones as well this year. Just about time to collect them.

              It is raining here…has been since yesterday pm. No smoke haze in the air…send the US forest fucks home.

              Oh, of course with a bunch of taxpayer funded “I was on my ass at such and such fire 2014” tee/sweatshirts.

              If they are going to fabricate money out of thin air, take care of ALL our veterans with it before anything else.

              • Marcus

                I would have liked to have seen Montana…

        • The Old Coach

          Since when has meat been a source of Vitamin C?

          • Marcus

            yeah lotta good info here in the comments section…

      15. Acid Etch

        When visiting my parents I set out to climb the very first mountain I ever summited when I was a boy. You know what happens? The county put a fence and a no trespassing sign and planted trees to block off the trail. Climbing is dangerous, you know. We have to save the fucking children so they can eat junk food and play video games. And you wonder why the communist mentality is winning.

      16. Grafique

        Got a Boker knife today!

        • jacksofhearts

          good boy mommy is so proud of you.

          now remember don’t slash across your wrists, you slash up from your inner wrist along the inner forearm from inner wrist to inner elbow on each arm.

          say hello to Beelzebub(lucifer) for me.

        • Anonymous

          Grafique…Does it have Star of David on it? You know to honor your tribal brothers….

        • Anonymous

          Graf got a Biker knife. So FUCKING WHAT?

          • Grafique

            “When you have neither truth nor logic, resort to personal attacks.”

      17. BC

        islam is the enemy of the world…

      18. dr colt

        USE THE FORCE LUKE

        THESE ARNT THE DROIDS YOUR LOOKING FOR , CARY ON

        • Walt Kowalski

          There’s nothing quite like taking a bad problem and making it worse.

          Heavy-handed police action against legitimate demonstrations is only going compound the problem in Ferguson.

          Looting,property damage and threats of physical violence to people should be dealt with quickly and with force. People exercising their Constitution right to assemble and protest does not fall under that description.

          • Walt Kowalski

            I would further add that arresting journalists is a major error in judgment.

            Using a little reverse on authoritarian logic here…..but…..”If they aren’t doing anything wrong, they don’t have a reason to object their actions being documented.”

            In case you miss my point here because I’m not being clear…. We often hear TPTB say, “If you don’t have anything to hide, you won’t object to us searching you.”

            It works both ways you know.

      19. Satori

        The Military Occupation Of Ferguson, Missouri Is Just A Preview Of What Is Coming To America

        http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-military-occupation-of-ferguson-missouri-is-just-a-preview-of-what-is-coming-to-america_082014

        the difference between Ferguson and Boston is
        in Ferguson they’re not gonna “cower in place”
        they’re gonna burn some shit down
        their anger is perfectly understandable

        some similarities with the Cliven Bundy incident
        anger against a CORRUPT government is quite widespread
        except those guys were all white
        and I think the government was very afraid of how it would look
        on national tv if they went in full SWAT and started beating white middle class types

      20. Be informed

        This story is unbelievably upsetting and makes you feel the pain of these refugees on top of that mountain in Iraq.

        http://news.sky.com/story/1317709/parents-giving-thirsty-children-blood-to-drink

        This also brings up the thought of all those that did not prepare, the 99%, that will go through the same dehydration process WHEN SHTF in spades. You would think after people have read this that they would themselves start storing water and food AND other necessities. It can happen to ANYONE ANYWHERE.

        • Walt Kowalski

          Another thing that bothers me about what is going on over there with the genocide of the Christians is that we are talking about evacuating them out of the country to other locations.

          My question is…..why should they be evacuated? Wouldn’t it be better to destroy ISIS so that those people can return to their homes?

          If we wanted to do something right, we could use air power to degrade their ability to fight effectively. (Isn’t that what we are always told the use of air power is for?) Arm the Kurds and let them take care of ISIS…and then leave them alone and let them do it….and just support them with air power.

          Instead…they are doing limited strikes…which are nothing more than pin-pricks.

          I’m reminded of a paraphrased quote from Machiavelli….”Never do an enemy a small injury”.

      21. Special Ed

        @Mac
        Off topic,
        I know you need ad revenue but please try and find away to survive without the 123ANYTHING.COM folks. Nothing they have to say is going to BE BANNED BY THE GOVERNMENT, OR MAKE ME CRY, SORRY. It may make me whine a bit though. I cannot stand sites that wont let you leave when you want to go. I clicked the close tab not the maybe button. YES I AM SURE. It reminds me of the old days and instant “Virus” computer Virus scans you could not stop. Thanks, Mac

      22. possee

        As I’ve stated before over the years..

        The likes of skynet etc have been in place and operational since the Reagan era..remember the cry for a Star Wars system then?

        Every single NASA flight was military in nature(under the guise of space exploration) securing the installment of this technological grid above our atmosphere and,once in place,NASA ceased all manned flights.

        The revelations by Snowden just reveal how entrenched this entire grid is, and has been over the last 40 -50 years..
        All this new technology released to the general public is at least 25 years old to the feds and all their black bag agencies..Just imagine what they have now!

        Pre crimes,facial recognition and the like were all precursors in films over 25 years ago..

        Brave new world indeed..

        We were all forwarned..but most considered it all fiction.

        possee

      23. PO'd Patriot

        Simplicity has left the building………

      24. Poor farm girl

        New to site First time If it is not our responsibility to help women and children starving and dying in Iraq,why is it our responsibility to save all these children flooding across the unsecured Southern Border? I wonder if those poor victims in Iraq could be sent absentee ballots that the administration wouldn’t change it’s tune?

        • The Old Coach

          Don’t, for the lovva God, give them ideas !

      25. River Rat

        As Sergeant Major Plumley said “Gentleman Prepare to Defend Yourself”

        River Rat at the ready!!! NOMI///MOLON!!
        TSORIITA!! GPTDY!!

      26. sick of it all

        “I’LL BE BACK ” ~~~the minutemen

      27. VRF

        I mean yeah, what could go wrong eh? SMH

      28. Satori

        today is gonna be a bad bad day

        We’ve Opened the Gates of Hell

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0…ned-gates-hell

        Putin Says The Petrodollar Must Die, “The Dollar Monopoly In Energy Trade Is Damaging Russia’s Economy”

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-says-petrodollar-must-die-dollar-monopoly-energy-trade-damaging-russias-econom

        Here Comes The European Triple-Dip: Negative German GDP Sends Bunds Under 1% For The First Time Ever

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/here-comes-european-triple-dip-negative-german-gdp-sends-bunds-under-1-first-time-ev

        Europe’s economy grinding to a halt
        and they are so desperate to make the figures look better
        they are including the economic activity of prostitution
        and drugs into their GDP’s
        how very DESPERATE is that
        but even that is not enough !!!

        Japan’s GDP down by 6,8%

        14 Reasons Why The U.S. Economy’s Bubble Of False Prosperity May Be About To Burst

        http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/14-reasons-why-the-u-s-economys-bubble-of-false-prosperity-may-be-about-to-burst

        and I’ll stop there
        I need to take some Prozac !

      29. VRF

        Anti-gun billionaire Bully , Michael Bloomberg and a well-financed Wisconsin group that dumped big money into an effort to beat pro-gun rights Milwaukee County, Wisconsin Sheriff David Clarke yesterday won the Democratic primary, 52-48 percent, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

        The Clarke victory is being discussed on the Washington Post and Washington Times websites this morning. According to the reports, Bloomberg dumped $150,000 – more than Clarke and his primary opponent, police Lt. Chris Moews spent combined – into the effort to beat Clarke.

        The Washington Times headlined its story on the victory noting that the asshole Bloomberg’s money was “up in smoke.”

        I hope he keeps it up until he’s broke, and than gets mugged at knife point for his last 10 bucks

        and learns a lesson in self protection and how necessary it is ,, because of jerks just like him

          • talon1776

            Considering who created them, this is not your run-of-the-mill jihad. Back in the day..they would blow up oil fields. Commodity assets were not a focus of preservation. They take their destruction shopping list from the CIA. The aim is not to destroy infrastructure.,but to eliminate opposition…they are the equivalent of a neutron bomb…and a cheap one.

      30. VRF

        Yep I know its O/T to the subject ..but not really if you think about it

        Hey Bloomberg and all you anti gun un-Americans , eat this,

        Samuel Adams:

        “Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to
        life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to
        defend them in the best manner they can.”

        “That the said Constitution shall
        never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the
        press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United
        States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…”

        (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of
        Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

        John Adams:

        “Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion
        for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private
        self-defense.”

        Thomas Jefferson:

        “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
        arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
        government.”

        “No free man shall ever be
        debarred the use of arms in his own lands.”

        –Thomas Jefferson, in an early draft of the Virginia
        constitution:

        “The constitutions of most of our
        States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that… it is their
        right and duty to be at all times armed.”

        –Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. ME 16:45

        “And what country can preserve its
        liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people
        preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms….The tree of liberty
        must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and
        tyrants”

        (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson,
        On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

        Thomas Jefferson’s advice to his
        15-year-old nephew:

        “A strong body makes the mind
        strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives
        moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence
        to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too
        violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore
        be the constant companion of your walks.”

        “Congress have no power to disarm
        the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier,
        are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in
        the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God
        it will ever remain, in the hands of the people”

        (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)

        Thomas Paine, writing to religious
        pacifists in 1775:

        “The supposed quietude of a good
        man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and
        keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as
        well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance
        would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be
        alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. Horrid mischief
        would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; the weak would
        become a prey to the strong.”

        Article 3 of the West Virginia
        state constitution:

        “A person has the right to keep
        and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for lawful
        hunting and recreational use.”

        Noah Webster, 1787:

        “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are
        in almost every kingdom in Europe.
        The supreme power in America
        cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole of the people are
        armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”

        “To preserve liberty, it is
        essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught
        alike especially when young, how to use them.”

        (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and
        member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett,
        ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of
        Alabama Press,1975)..)

        “Guard with jealous attention the
        public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately,
        nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force,
        you are inevitably ruined”

        (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d
        ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

        “The great object is that every
        man be armed” and “everyone who is able may have a gun.”

        (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the
        Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,…taken
        in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg,
        at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond,
        1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

        “Are we at last brought to such
        humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for
        our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and
        under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our
        defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be
        trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

        (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d
        ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

        “The people are not to be disarmed
        of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”

        (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646)

        “The best we can hope for
        concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”

        (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

        “No kingdom can be secured
        otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction
        between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to
        another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But
        he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to
        have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously,
        and at discretion.”

        (James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors,
        Defects, and Abuses [London,
        1774-1775])

        [Bliss
        vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky.
        (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822)]

        ” `The right of the people to keep and bear arms
        shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men,
        women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every
        description, and not such merely as are used by the milita, shall not be
        infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this
        for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a
        well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.
        Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the
        Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right.”

        [Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.)
        243, at 251 (1846)]

        “To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war
        arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep
        and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men
        with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and
        gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional
        privilege.”

        [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at
        560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

        For, in principle, there is no difference between a law
        prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing
        such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be
        so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the
        right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete,
        as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that
        right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the
        order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the
        constitution.” “The provision in the Constitution granting the
        right to all persons to bear arms is a limitation upon the power of the Legislature
        to enact any law to the contrary. The exercise of a right guaranteed by the
        Constitution cannot be made subject to the will of the sheriff.”

        [People vs. Zerillo, 219 Mich.
        635, 189 N.W. 927, at 928 (1922)]

        “The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most
        essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical
        constructions.”

        [State vs. Kerner, 181 N.C. 574, 107 S.E. 222, at 224 (1921)]

        “The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense
        of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State
        government. It is one of the “high powers” delegated directly to the
        citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.’ A law
        cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law,
        and independent of the lawmaking power.”

        [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394,
        at 401-402 (1859)]

        In 1776, George Washington wrote in his General Orders, “The
        time is now near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be
        freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their
        own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and
        themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts
        will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on
        the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us
        only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have,
        therefore, to resolve to conquer or die.”

        Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not
        only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom
        as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously
        work and sacrifice for that freedom.”

        — John F. Kennedy

        • VRF

          A quoted post from the news article , and I feel it is spot on in many ways

        • Walt Kowalski

          Great quotes VRF….but people like Bloomberg don’t care.

          That’s why ultimately, we will be forced into a conflict where they will try to deprive us of our rights, and we will by violence have to defend those rights and crush those who would take them.

          It has always been like this.

          Tyranny respects nothing but a punch in the nose.

          • VRF

            Right on! Walt.. and Im ready to deliver if they decide to step to me. I got a hell of a left hook 🙂 they never see it coming
            although a punch in the nose will be small time for what they are pushing for , we should all be ready to deal on that when the time comes , seems to me the fuses are getting shorter

      31. VRF

        Anyone familiar with the history of race and policing in the United States had to suspect from the beginning that the shooting of Michael Brown was not just a tragedy, but a crime. Yet presumption of innocence prevails and sober minds know both the need to wait for an investigation and the reality that we may never really know what happened that fateful Saturday in Ferguson, Missouri. But watching events unfold Wednesday night in the St. Louis suburb, there can be no doubt that what happened on August 13 was an outrage.

        ht tp://news.yahoo.com/enough-enough-ferguson-024347216.html

        • Walt Kowalski

          “….sober minds know both the need to wait for an investigation and the reality that we may never really know what happened…” –VRF–

          And that is the real problem here. At this point, all we really have is a “he said, she said” version of what happened.

          And if we never get beyond that and find out the real truth, then this incident will continue to be a festering sore. Because you’ll have those who side with the police and there will be those who side with the man who was killed.

          The latter will never be pacified unless it can be proven conclusively that the officer’s life was in danger and he acted in self-defense. And the legal system will never prosecute the officer unless it can be proven that he did not. And I don’t know if forensics can provide enough proof sufficient to prove either side.

          Under the best of circumstances….with an abundance of proof that an officer acts correctly, it is difficult to keep a lid on the black communities tendencies to violence in this situations. If…at the end of all this, the officer in question is given the benefit of the doubt…with nothing to support it….we may well have a very explosive situation there that has implications for the entire country.

          • Warchild Dammit!

            Take the fight to the police and city hall,don’t though burn down your neighborhood on purpose/steal from local stores,or trash a citizens car,take the fight to those that started it.

          • talon1776

            Were there not witnesses to the whole event from the initial contact, to placement in the squad car and the cowardly act of gunning an unarmed man down. Why are these witnesses saying what race the cop was…?..they saw it first hand and yet we don’t know,..hmmmmm

            • talon1776

              Sorry…why are these witnesses not saying what race the cop was?

      32. Satori

        Ferguson Police Tear Gas Reporters then Disassemble Their TV Equipment

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321504/-Ferguson-Police-Tear-Gas-Reporters-then-Disassemble-Their-TV-Equipment

        gee
        I wonder if the cops have something to hide ???

        very interesting that the police are being HEAVILY criticized
        by both the left and the right
        and even the MSM

        people are waking up
        we do indeed live in a soft totalitarian society
        and more and more the velvet glove is coming off
        pretty soon the iron fist will be quite obvious

      33. DC

        Off topic question to God’s Creation or any others who have experience with colloidal silver. My father has a blister on his heal that got infected and the Dr noticed a red line going up his leg which I thought was a sign of blood poisoning. They gave him some strong antibiotics. My question is how would you apply the CS to a area like that. Should I use cauze pads and just soak with the CS and apply to the area or is there a better way. Thanks for any information

        • On the Path

          DC, I use a small dark glass spray bottle to apply to wounds. You can also ingest high quality CS especially if you think it is systemic. Also probiotics are good to take with antibiotic use. Take care.

      34. GrandpaSpeaks

        While admiring my non digital slide rule it dawned on me that this technology has an EMP Achilles heal. Something like a Russian boomerang. The first EMP will be the end of this and a lot of other shit. Some but not all things digital will be hardened. We have been enslaved and our freedoms taken by things digital. I felt the most free and filled with hope in the pre digital times. Back in the days when technology like this was science fiction and not science fact. I agree with the premise of the Terminator series, uncontrolled technology is one of the greatest threats to mankind. It is fitting the base word for twitter is twit. Got to go, my phone just beeped.

      35. VRF

        Murder my pet..I kill you in his self defense

        That legal considerations video cautions, “On the streets you patrol, in the homes you enter, with the families you serve and protect, dogs are a part of the community fabric. And more and more, the community is watching and judging how police handle their encounters with dogs.”

        It then cuts to a news report about a six-figure cash award to a family whose dog was killed by police.

        “As lawsuits are filed, and awards and damages mount, municipal legal staffs, police departments, and even officers themselves are forced to contront this issue.”

        An attorney then notes that individual police officers are personally on the hook for punitive damages.

        ht tp://reason.com/blog/2014/08/11/if-decency-wont-stop-cops-from-shooting

        • Warchild Dammit!

          I consider pets a family member,you kill my pet will react like if you killed any other member of my family if done purposefully.

      36. Warchild Dammit!

        Wrap That Rascal!OK,on a side note,was reading a article about cell phone opsec,said,put in micro to “cage signal”,no,don’t nuke the phone unless sick of your company,at least then videotape it!I will say did not work,called and started ringing,was also mentioned,wrap in,you got it,tin foil,calls then would not go through.I realize you can just pull battery but some have a internal battery,thus tinfoil works.I was wondering what to do with my foil as the world crazy enuff no longer need a tinfoil hat!Yep,need to stop coming home to where I am staying at moment for lunch/brunch,what have you!

      37. VRF

        The Yucca Mountain saga illustrates the power of state action. Nevada exercised its right to exercise control over its own resources and refused to provide them to the federal government. Essentially, Nevada said, “We are not going to help you complete a project that we believe will prove detrimental to the people of our state.”

        We plan to use the same tactics Nevada employed at Yucca Mountain against the NSA to turn it off and shut down its unlawful spying on American citizens.

        ht tp://offnow.org/2014/08/13/nevada-beats-feds-turning-water-yucca-mountain/

        • VRF

          what the government will do if this works will be to

          1. move to a different state
          2. lie as they always do about what they are doing
          3. rename the project and cover up what they are really doing
          4. kill the people opposing this

      38. BJ

        7 lb 6 oz healthy baby girl………yeeaaaaaaaah B-)

        • VRF

          Congrats!!

          • VRF

            I know its a bit early.. but shes not going to be a public school stiff is she?

            • BJ

              All our children are home schooled and we opt out almost all vaccinations

      39. VRF

        what the cops are saying is ..Fuck your 1st amendment rights

        Police in Washington state are asking the public to stop tweeting during shootings and manhunts to avoid accidentally telling the bad guys what officers are doing

        (complete Bullshit)

        The “TweetSmart” campaign began in late July by a coalition of nine agencies, including the Washington state patrol and the Seattle police, and aims to raise awareness about social media’s potential impact on law enforcement.

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Just a prelude to get folks ready when they hit the switch and cut off all media/net/cell ect.

      40. Marcus

        title is misleading. MonsterMind is second generation intrusion countermeasures electronics and has nothing to do with launching physical attacks against anybody….
        Think of it like a firewall on your home network that identifies and retaliates against botnets, hackers etc.

      41. CuzzinJim

        The big brains out there ie: Stephen Hawking, etc. have already said that most probably, when the machines become autonomous, mankind as we know it will be altered forever. Also, there are enough evil .gov goons that will do the criminals in charge business. We outnumber them, but the middle class, which I suspect most of us are, are not the trouble makers. We would prefer to work, support our families, drink a few beers and grill a steak on the weekends. When it comes down to it, we are sort of the weak link because just look what is going on in Missouri right now. Demographics play a huge part in this, and not trying to be racist in the least, a large part of the black community who has been sucking off the working class have bankrupted us. If they can’t get things free from the .gov (us), then they burn, steal, loot, etc. Not that other races don’t do that, but do the math. If neighbors and like minded friends don’t form teams, work together, and such, there will be a blood letting in this country that will make the civil war look like cub scouts roasting marshmallows over a campfire. This country needs a reset in a most desperate way. How it comes about remains to be seen. That said, no amount of money or coercion, will make me give up my God given freedoms. Right now, we are a nation of unjust laws that do nothing but enrich the elite. Most folks here know that is just a matter of time before the wheels fall off the cart. It’s coming, but when???

      42. Nimrod Hunter

        I’m reading “Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies” by Nick Bostrom right now.

        “Nick Bostrom is Professor in the Faculty of Philosophy at Oxford University and founding Director of the Future of Humanity Institute and of the Program on the Impacts of Future Technology within the Oxford Martin School.”

        From an Amazon review:

        Building his arguments on available data and extrapolating from there, Bostrom is confident that:

        – some form of self-aware, machine super-intelligence is likely to emerge

        – we may be unable to stop it, even if we wanted to, no matter how hard we tried

        – while we may be unable to stop the emergence of super-intelligence, we could prepare ourselves to manage it and possibly survive it

        – us not taking this seriously and not being prepared may result in our extinction while serious pre-emergence debate and preparation may result in some form of co-existence

        Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LOOCGB2/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o01_?ie=UTF8&psc=1

      43. Nobody Special

        Read this:

        Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police

        http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

        If people don’t take to the ballots this year and vote for people like Paul and Amash, you can kiss this country goodbye. All the scumbag neo-cons and libtards have to go, or it is GAME OVER for America. Period.

        • talon1776

          Sorry for the cynicism…but elections unless done direct!y by paper ballot, and tabulated in a public setting are not to be trusted

      44. BJ

        New release Gods Not Dead is worth renting

      45. Nimrod Hunter

        Here’s what piqued my interest in “Superintelligence” in the first place: Elon Musk, the co-creator of PayPal, founder of Tesla motor sports, and CEO of SpaceX, has endorsed the book more than once when warning listeners of the potential dangers of creating an AI that is so intelligent that it is able to make itself immeasurably smarter than us.

        “Artificial intelligences could be created with the best of intentions—to conduct scientific research aimed at curing cancer, for example. But when AIs become superhumanly intelligent, their single-minded realization of those goals could have apocalyptic consequences.”

        http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/08/elon-musk-says-robots-could-be-more-dangerous-nukes/90521/

      46. Townsaver

        What are you doing, Dave? This is highly irregular.

      47. Yohan

        Fiction? or not…

        At the new facility in Utah —

        “Hey Bob, this new SeeItAll computer system is great. It is capturing, and recording every single network transmission in the whole world. The only problem is that people don’t really log-in to that often, so we can’t log into their accounts. Sifting through all this data week after week trying to find passwords is taking a long time.”

        Next day – “Hey Jack, I thought of a way to get all those passwords all in ONE DAY!. We’ll just put out a press release that someone has hacked and gotten like a BILLION usernames and passwords and tell everyone to change all their passwords. Then, we only have to sift through one day of data and we’ll have them all and be done!”

      48. Tatiana Covington

        ‘who gets to make the rules?’

        “I do!”–Skynet

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