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    1. TnAndy

      ah baloney.

      • Prepared Pastor

        This is a rerun. I saw this a few days ago on another site so I’ll give the same response here:

        DHS can no more expand their activities to the entire country at once than bank robbers can expand their activities to an entire city. What they did in Boston simply not scalable to the entire U.S. at once especially rural areas that have hundred if not thousands of exits. Here, for example, they would not only have to cover hundreds of paved roads, but unimproved roads, rail trail, and several rivers to lock down a city of 30,000. Even if they could do it with a paltry 300 workers (100 per shift), extrapolated out DHS would need over 3 Million boots on the ground to accomplish this nationally all at once.

        Now I’m not naive enough to think martial law could never happen in America, but the first stage would have to be gun confiscation. Even with better arms, 100 troops are not going to last long against 100 times as many trained hunters accustomed to hitting deer with a 30-06 from a mountain top.

        Gun confiscation could then be followed by act of institutional terrorism against high profile constitutionalists to scare the majority into submission and with no way to defend themselves it would work.

        Phase three would be to go in and clean up the remainders with the help of their fellow Americans who caved in during the last phase. As I wrote in my essay for this site, The Boots on the Ground WTSHTF Could Be Your Neighbors, See Something – Say Something will become an incentive program to take the hold outs out of the equation.

        ~The End

        • watching and waiting

          WE are living at the end of this current age and the beginning of a new world order.

            • yourmotherwaswrong

              “This is my rifle. There are many others like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.”

              • braveheart

                YMWW, AMEN to your comments. Anyone who comes to braveheart’s home with bad intentions does so at their own peril. MOLON LABE braveheart

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  @braveheart

                  Can you guess who gave me the thumbs down?

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama: If you are thinking its me you would be wrong. I rarely give a thumbs down, even to you, and certainly wouldn’t give a thumbs down for a rifleman’s creed.

                  As a Marine my rifle was my friend and I never went anywhere without it: although when on a major base I had to insert a red block in the magazine well. Today, I do not carry any of my rifles, but I do carry …. concealed.

                  WE are in the Last Days. Forewarned is well armed! 🙂

                • BWilson

                  “…does so at their own peril.”

                  One word: drone

              • tyrannyhatr

                Sorry about the thumbs down, was meant to be a thumbs up.

              • Kulafarmer

                YMWW,
                I cant understand why anyone would thumb that down!
                That was something our DI used to make us say in basic back in 82, thats old school,
                Many have said those same words, many more will learn them and live them

              • Somewhere in Korea

                Sorry, you’re getting audited but the good news is that we are here to help you. Get on the bus….

                • Frank

                  sure, right after I pull my piece out and blow your head off.

              • lonelonmum

                “Think of the children”

                These barstewards are sophisticated – they’ll come for them first. I’d be interested to see how many kids of dissidents have already been taken from their school (you won’t even know it’s happening till it’s too late!) on trumped up CPS BS already.

                I posted a few articles back about the UK fracking protesters being threatened via the kids already.

                The important boys in the military have already been taken out. Significant scientists have been suiciding/having heart attacks for years now.

                The homeless from some US cities are already being taken to camps.

                The pilot of the Cypriot bail-in is complete. Ditto Guantanemo (I didn’t see a revolution or any fair trials there did you?). The DNA database and gene therapy research is it’s advanced stages, as is the viral dispersal drone as is the desensitisation of the citizenry (inc the young and idealistic through all those computer games)through indoctrination and propaganda.

                The farm collectivisation (agri-corp instead of comrade co-op this time) is well underway. Free travel is restricted.

                The legislation for a police state was passed without a whimper of complaint.

                Trouble is even the smartest are so indoctrinated by Hollywood that even though we are TOLD exactly what they are going to do in advance we allow it. Reality doesn’t match fiction you see, it’s far more insiduous and deadly and noone gets to play Sylvester Stallone or Bruce Willis except in their fantasies.

                When will people WAKE UP. SHTF is already well underway & has been for sometime. The refusal to accept this until the devil is sitting on your couch means the elite laugh at us when they should be quaking in their boots.

              • roger

                Peace & Amen yourmotherwaswrong.

            • Swinging on a star

              Face it folks, these bastards can do whatever they want to the American citizen because NO ONE STOPS THEM, sheep to the slaughter. The regime has stomped on the constitution and the heart and soul of this country, they have free reign.

              • Anonymous

                It does seem that way, SOAS…very discouraging times! However, this is GOD’S world, no matter what TPTB may think. All will be ok in the end… just don’t give them your guns… hide some!

                • Anonymous

                  One of my favorite writers, Derrick Jensen, said that it always seemed in the best interest of the Jews to just go along with the Nazis. When they told them to wear a star on their clothes, or get on the train, they had the choice of obeying or being shot. And so, they went along, because it seemed they had little choice. They HOPED the Nazis were not lying, they hoped they would not be killed. Even when they went into the gas chambers, it seemed in their best interest to obey because they were threatened of being shot if they didn’t!

                  When you know mother f*!*&^@s are dishonest as hell, have lied to you constantly, have taken your jobs and thrown you to the dogs, it seems at some point you just stop obeying and point your rifles… at least we are armed.

                • juicey bananas

                  ATF came to my house in Iowa in May, 2011 and took all 22 of my weapons and over thousand rounds 7.62×39 rounds and other munitions while I was at work and terrorized my 18 year old daughter and handed my kid a one page search warrant. Local sheriff deputy says no warrant on record. We are also out of 10s of thousands in life, 401k and roth ira money from my womans death from diabetes. Also missing is over and yes 1000000 in prime Iowa farmland. The theft and scam warrants are coming from corrupt courts and corrupt law enforcement.

              • carnac

                The moment that we let the trash in Washington DC vote to take our weapons and we acquiesce, we are doomed to camps and death. Never let them disarm you (us). If they come for your gun it is better to die fighting in your home than to be arrested. Perhaps you will be able to take a few with you. The more resistance they get the less apt they are to enforce these anti-constitutional edicts. Resistance is contagious. Others will form resistance groups. Of course it would be better to be proactive. Have a plan that makes sure you don’t fight them from your home like a trapped animal but attack them at a place of your choosing. Unite with others you trust and make the government miserable.

          • lower40

            Call out the instigators
            Because there’s something in the air
            We’ve got to get together sooner or later
            Because the revolution’s here, and you know it’s right
            And you know that it’s right

            We have got to get it together
            We have got to get it together now

            Lock up the streets and houses
            Because there’s something in the air
            We’ve got to get together sooner or later
            Because the revolution’s here, and you know it’s right
            And you know that it’s right

            We have got to get it together
            We have got to get it together now

            Hand out the arms and ammo
            We’re going to blast our way through here
            We’ve got to get together sooner or later
            Because the revolution’s here, and you know it’s right
            And you know that it’s right

            We have got to get it together
            We have got to get it together

            • Joe

              Personally, I think they could do it if they are careful and take their time. Not unlike the Progressive takeover of the states we see today. If you look at history it takes atrocities for people to join in the fight against oppressors. The vast majority of people dont want to fight. They just want to be left alone. Humans are in general, survivors. Very adaptable at doing what is necessary to survive. The vast majority may support the patriots but wont do anything about it due to fear. Some will support the patriots with logistics but will do little to stop the murder. It usually ends up in the hands of the few that will do something but they have no power either until the atrocities happen. If they never happen then the Progressives will win.

              • Raptor

                Oklahoma, Waco, Ruby Ridge. That should be enough atrocities for anyone- but, how quickly man forgets.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            The NWO is taking over as we speak. You think this 40 Mil credit and debit card being hacked at Target was a coincidence? JP Morgan is now limiting card holders for cash withdrawls to only $100 now, as this was a pretty good aka: false flag, destroying our ability to have access to our money. I suggest take all your money out of the banks now, and buy up long term food, guns and ammo. The Clock is ticking patriots.. The world as we know it is ending..

            • Nopittypartyhere

              Interesting perspective. I’ve had to do ALL of my shopping yesterday and today. I’ve cut back by more than 2/3. All of the stores were near empty. No busier than ordinary day. I fear it will be upon us soon. I got a Xmas bonus at work. Most of it will go to more preps., getting the exhaust replaced on my truck, and a plane ticket to check on dad. He’s adjusting very well, btw, and went to spend the week with his sister today and bagged a nice doe this afternoon while hunting with my cousin. I’ve not seen him so happy in a long time. God is truly watching over him.

          • Farah

            The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the United States Government, it IS a legally chartered, for profit corporation. Note: The Constitution Explicitly states that our Congress and NOT a private for profit corporation (Federal Reserve) should issue currency. Wait until the 1% Trillionaires who are stockholders in the Fed crash the dollar and then shortly after crank up hyperinflation. They will be the only ones with enough cash reserves and hard assets to survive.

            The FEW will control the masses.

            • freethepeople

              Not sure if I should thumbs up or down!

              I think you’re right, and it all stinks.

              I hope they choke on their money. I’ll be eating beef jerky.

          • John Aaron

            But, historically, tyrannies do not last long.

        • Unreconsructed Southron

          Y’all trying to lower your “NSA threat matrix score?”

        • Wolf359

          I haven’t posted in a while but I felt this urgent of getting out.

          Just a little background. My line of work sometimes brings me into spheres of the government and military and such not only myself but my company gets vetted and cleared to work in these areas.

          The facility I just finished up was a secured facility hidden in plain sight. A security team was assigned to follow and essentially babysit us throughout the duration of the project. They were armed at all times. only a concealed .45.

          Over the course of the job one security agent I befriended. Turns out he is from close to where I live and knows a few people I know who have been in the military.

          He warned me the purge of military personal by the white house is 100% geared towards relieving officers who swear allegiance to the constitution and not BO’ orders and who will wage war against American citizens.

          His words not mine.

          We have all heard and read the stories about this and it has always been alarming for me BUT hearing this from a trusted source made my stomach turn. Typing this even makes me ill.

          I don’t even know what else to say or do. For me its about as real as it can get now. I didn’t want to go to work after hearing this. I am sure this is being data based and may come back to haunt me or my family.

          All I can say is it is coming, be prepared.

          • Hunter

            Thank You Wolf359!

            ..at ease, you’re only confirming the obvious!

            • JD

              Agreed. When the time comes, I hope most of us will follow in the footsteps of our forefathers, and not cower. Risking our lives today was no different than them risking their lives back then.

              Please use this time to grow a pair of balls if you don’t have one.

              • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                So when The Marshall Law Lockdown was Established in Boston chasing 2 suspected terrorists, did you grab your rifle and go meet the Rogue Soldier forces pulling Innocent Boston citizens out of their homes and searching them with no warrant? Or was it just fascinating video via CNN as you sat comfortably on your couch?? You see, most viewers were confused with the media propaganda, as well as the morons cheering USA USA USA as these people rights were being violated. This is how it unrolls, just like what Hitler did with Propaganda, as one neighborhood at a time, creating falseflags to steal freedoms, so when will you take action prior to them knocking on your door at 3AM. Where is your Red line? Enough is enough?

                • James Donovan

                  JD probably didnt, and I am guessing, neither did you.

                  Everyone has an individual red line.

                • ElPolacko

                  Alexander Solzhenitsyn said that this happened back in the 1920′s under Stalin. He said that if the people were armed and if just one or two of the Secret Police died every time they came for someone…the practice would have stopped fairly quickly.
                  The answer to the question of “How to stop them from rounding us up?”: Kill as many as you can when they come for YOU!!!

                • Anonymous

                  Not to mention many of us watched it to learn basic strategies. Learn their ways and actions in order to better prepare how you can defend against it. If you know your enemy better than you know thyself than in a 100 battles you can not be beaten.

              • pioneer

                All it will take is the “first trigger pull” aimed at foreign or domestic troops who are rounding up US citizens. After that, the “fight is on”. I am sick at heart to say, it will be a long and bloody conflict. However, the US citizen will win this conflict. The corrupt men who started this “conflict of death” will be rounded up and severely punished–un to death. May GOD show us the way

                • M

                  A long bloody conflict ? Well I guess three days is a long time if you are ADD. Cause after that people will spend most if not all of their time in search of food/water.

                  For the numerous dribbles who yammer on about they can’t take our wee town . Er yes they can , lets see how many of you are left after utilities are shut off all winter long, spring mop up will be a cake walk.

          • lastmanstanding

            wolf, I usually mention “don’t go down without one helluva fight” at the end of my posts.

            You brother are in the fight of our lives…we humbly appreciate you passing that first hand info on. Here is one for you…I spoke to a man the other day who is a friend of a long time friend. He has a long-time friend who retired from the secret service…early. Why? Because he was no longer permitted to carry a firearm when on any detail. Why? Because he was white. No shit.

            I will refrain from commenting further on this because we all know what is going on.

            God bless you and your family…many of us will be sending honest prayers your way.

            • Mountain Trekker

              If I may add to the gossip, I personally know a man that is a fairly high up military officer and just as lastmanstanding said, I will refrain from reveiling everything. Sometime we have to worry more for someone else that we might place in danger other than ourselves. I’ll call this person TZ. To make a long story short, TZ told a close friend of mine that BO will definitly declare marshal law before his term is up. Sometime I really wonder what TZ is doing here in the boonies, since he is still active duty, and you never see him in uniform. He says he’s here because he hates big cities, but I don’t quite understand how a person can be active duty military and never be in uniform or near a military base. He travels often, not sure how. Trekker Out

              • Harley

                Tarzan?

                • Mountain Trekker

                  No, Tango Zebra or Tonto Zorro.

              • TTC

                Mt.Trek: Possibly he is delta?

                • Mountain Trekker

                  TTC, I don’t think so, he really doesn’t seem that physical, looks like more of a desk type guy. He is somewhat odd. If you didn’t know, you would never figure him to be military. Trekker Out.

                • Mr. Niceguy

                  Intel geeks get to travel a lot and wind up in odd places, kinda like bellybutton lint.

              • Kulafarmer

                I met a guy at the range the other day whose brother was relieved of duty, given an early retirement, was told not to talk to anyone about anything unless he wanted to end up behind bars and without benefits, his wife is battling cancer and his daughter is a quadraplegic and is under his medical. Never thought i would ever see this crap

              • Nopittypartyhere

                Well to add more, hypothetically speaking, what would it mean if a team WAS helo’d into
                b en gh azi. I never saw this in the news. Not once. Everything I saw said that no team was close enough to respond. Did I miss something in the news?

                • Mr. Niceguy

                  Depends on the team, observation is a mission too.

              • Shootit

                I know a guy that used to have his job. He was special forces/state department. Lived in the boonies and did much of nothing for weeks than boom he would vanish for a couple of months.

                • carnac

                  If you check records and carefully watch, more and more people are disappearing these days.

          • Night breaker

            Wolf,
            Things are in the works to prevent this .

            OPSEC

            Good things come to those that wait .

            III%

            • lastmanstanding

              More than they know brother…more than they know.

          • yourmotherwaswrong

            @Wolf359

            I have a question for you.

            Do you think this country would be different if Republicans controlled the White House, and both houses of Congress?

            • durango kidd

              Yo mama: Yes, things would be different. The Retards support Big Business and a little lower taxation because they want you to have a little more disposable income to buy their products, goods, and services produced by their assets offshore and make them richer so that their kids can buy more $50K hand bags.

              On the other hand, the Demturds promote higher taxes so they can confiscate that “little more disposable income” and skim a sizable percentage off the top through Big and Bigger Government before they re-allocate a very small portion of it to the poor to demonstrate their “generosity”.

              The difference is that more people would be working under the Retards by now and funneling their disposable income to the Uber Rich; while under the Demturds homelessness has never been higher; food stamps have never been greater, and real unemployment hasn’t been this numerous, for this long, since the 30’s.

              Pick your poison. 🙂

              • yourmotherwaswrong

                The durango kidd says:

                “Pick your poison.”

                And yet you support “Central Banking.”

                LOL.

                Central Banking, and the Fascist USG has DESTROYED this country DK.

                Go south of Bell Road to gain some prospective.

            • Barn Cat

              No. The Republican leadership is on the same side as the Democratic leadership. Leadership of both sides hates the Tea Party. Romney wasn’t much different than Obama.

              • durango kidd

                Barn Cat: Political leadership in DC is managed by the NWO so yes you are correct, but philosophically, my analogy is correct for the party faithful.

                Engage your employees ….. 🙂

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “Political leadership in DC is managed by the NWO.”</b<

                  Ya, and supported by a Central Bank!

                  End The Fed!!

            • Wolf359

              Yo Momma,

              Depends on if the Constutionalist/Libertarians have succeeded in overthrowing the Vichy establishment gop.

              What you prescribe (anarchy) I will have no part in and anyone who tries to shove that down my throat while usurping the Constitution will meet the same end as the commie progressives.

          • REB

            Thank you Wolf!

          • TheGuy

            You know what happened at Wolf 359, right?

            Hopefully US citizens fare better than those poor Starfleet suckers… measley 5 minute fight… LOL

          • possee

            Wolf359

            Excellent..

            Question?..

            If over 190 top level officers have been purged..then why has not one (or more) spoken out at all ?

            Were they silenced quietly as SJC Roberts was ?

            Is there more to this than meets the eye?

            OR..

            Are we just chasing ghosts?

            Even Investors Business Daily questions the [purge)..and they are not even close to a conspiracy based premise..

            possee

            • Wolf359

              Possee,

              Great point. That’s why I prefaced my post about hearing rumors of this purge.

              It was another thing hearing it from active military. This guy is career army. If I thought it was nothing of great importance I would have just let it roll off me.

              You’re right about not hearing more first hand accounts. I’m sure they have great databases and threat matrix scores where they got something on everybody.

          • ElPolacko

            Stop worrying about being “Data based”…they already know who you are. Just make it count when they come for you. Make it as painful for them as they make it for you. This is a Stalinist purge and You are scheduled for termination. Wrap your mind around that, suck it up and get mad!!!
            The longer you survive will piss off BO and make God Proud.
            When we get to the FEMA CAMPS we’ll party , Brother!

        • Gregory8

          Prepared Pastor: Well said, the numbers just don’t support any sizable action. It took over 1,000 federal, state, and local cops to go door-to-door in tiny Watertown Mass. and they still couldn’t find one badly wounded kid.

          • possee

            The entire metro Boston area was ‘ordered’ to “shelter in place”…everyone “complied!”

            The door to door was only in a small area of Watertown yet everyone “complied”..

            So if over a million plus citizens will”comply” to a directive of shelter in place over one lone gunman,,imagine if there were a supposed threat of a larger scale in a larger area….

            There would be no armed resistance in the likes of New England metro areas..Massachusetts has only 4% LTC /FID holders statewide..approximately 250k in a population of 6,650,000..

            Imagine if only licensed citizens were targeted town by town..after a contrived “threat” was issued..everyone complies ..door to door only at targeted licensed households..

            That being said,it would require massive “compliant”local state and federal law enforcement to carry this out..and the logistics do not add up..

            Then again,given the recent arming of all federal agencies of late.and all the other scandals too numerous to mention..
            .anything is possible these days..

            possee

            • Yuri

              I will not comply. I typically refrain from comments that might be called bluster. I make no claims as to whether I will fight to the death, or simply wet my pants when a SWAT stack busts in my front door.

              However, I will say that whatever I would be willing to do to defend my own rights to life, liberty, and property, I will also do to defend my neighbor’s rights. And, if necessary, will do so even BEFORE my neighbor acts in defense of his own rights.

              I have read comments on other sites to the effect that some people intend to take an every-man-for-himself attitude. Other comments blame citizens whose rights have been trampled for “living in N.Y.” or “living in Massachusetts” or N.J, etc.. And others which deride people for “not fighting back”.

              I think that the every-man-for-himself plan leads to every man being put in the gulag or in the ground … one by one.

              If my neighbor has no gun, I’ll take one up on his behalf. If my neighbor won’t resist unconstitutional police action against him, I’ll resist it for him. And when the SWAT stack files into my neighbor’s home, they’d better be watching their six.

              • RNC 'em all

                It would be an honor to be your neighbor. Powerful, moving and important words.

            • Gregory8

              possee: Unlike “Cowardtown” in the state of “Pussychusetts” which is full of liberal pansies who are afraid of their own shadows, southern and southwestern states are a whole lot different and not so compliant. Florida for example, where I live, has over 1.1 million CCW, more than Texas which is larger in both size and population. That means that 1 out of 20 Floridians you meet is carrying a concealed weapon. In fact 1 in 4 Floridians is armed which means there are nearly 5 million folks with some sort of firearm. I finally joined a private gun club because the public rangers are so busy here that you often have wait to get a slot. I got to Tennessee to visit folks and we go shooting and their rangers are always hopping too. My favorite line from the movie “The Shooter” is when Wahlberg says, “Welcome to Tennessee, the patron state of shootin’ stuff”. The south and the southwest are a hornets nests and TPTB know it and there’s nothing they can do about it without starting a war.

              • Anonymous

                They already know this. Known it for a long time. This is why food is so cheap. Why small farms are gone. Why local growers are demonized and shut down. Only mega corps reliant on the system are allowed to operate.

                They will simply shut down the oil supply to problem areas, shut down the movement of materials and food. Anyone in a problem area, will be starved to death. By the time the few growers can expand production to even support their own neighborhood their neighbors would have either become refugee’s and given up everything to the government elites to ensure their basic survival, or have showed up at your door, stealing and raping and murdering you just to survive themselves. Doing the elites jobs for them.

                Unless people in those problems areas are ramping up their production ability, unifying with others and gathering up ‘fighters’ with promissory support of food in exchange for unified defense then there is no hope for those whom think shooting good at 600+ meters is anything worthwhile.

                In sort, if you can feed your family with your garden, double your effort for a return to feed three others. Set aside seeds for your neighbors, set aside tools for your neighbors. Then get your neighbors on the ball with you, and have them do the same. If ten families in the neighborhood can do this, there may be 100 families whom can get going almost immediately on surviving together and growing out exponentially. IF this doesn’t happen, starvation is the only thing awaiting us.

                >Unless Americans roll over like they always do, then the powers that be can just roll thru and take up individuals like they are already doing and they will have no problems.

                • Slick One

                  Imagine the labor pool if millions are detained in camps and forced to produce goods….Then I suspect the powers that be would be very happy to have forced employees whose labor would be on par with third world slave workers. Just to think America would be competetive again in industry as so much almost free labor would be available for corporate and government needs.
                  SCARY HUH?

                • lonelonmum

                  Can they turn off the power, comms and fuel & withdraw medical care to problem areas? If so even “last man standing towns” will fall if it is enacted during winter (or during bug season in the tropical zones).

                  I know in the UK they know how to lock down the worst urban & rural hotspots. It’s why I moved out of the city as I know when it comes bugging out won’t be an option (or did you miss the fully loaded warship on the Thames and the missiles on the roof of residential buildings during the Olympics?).

            • HD74Man

              @Posse…You are right on the money regarding what I consider one of the most detestable states in the country. “MassholeLand” is the home of the Kennedy’s and the bastion of liberalism. These morons threw out Scott Brown, a military vet from his senate seat and put in that Harvard educated liberal skank, Elizabeth Warren. In the race, the Boston media completely ignored the fact that her (hired by O’Bummer) “Consumer Credit Reform Act” raised everybody credit card rates from fixed single digits to double digit variables costing the US consumer billions in finance costs. Right after it happened, I knew a guy who was driving to FL and was terrified about the trip because he had MA license plates. That these morons roll over for unconstitutional searches of their properties is of no surprise. Three quarters of the state was deemed a “over-populated” and a major SHTF “blue” danger zone in a recent SHTF article on US areas that are very susceptible to urban chaos and disintegration.

              • possee

                Well I live here in the belly of the beast…

                It ain’t pretty at all..

                My son and I went out yesterday to buy my wife a new printer for her Birthday..went to the local “american mecca”..the mall..We were in and out in 5 minutes..

                Watching all the ‘cattle’ ..overweight,lining up to the gmo infused fast food joints,90% glued to their cell phones,glaringly desperate to finish their consumerism..I was disgusted..

                This comment by another at another site sums it all up perfectly..

                “Americans don’t care about anything other than television and shopping. They don’t care if they have to get strip searched every time they go the airport. They don’t care if the local police are pyschopaths gone beserk hunting down imaginary enemies. They don’t care if their government is spying on them. In fact the vast majority applaud these actions. My countrymen make me puke. They disgust me and I am reaching the point where I loathe and despise contemporary America.”

                possee

                • Anonymous

                  I’m with u

            • Kulafarmer

              How did they broadcast the shelter in place order?
              In my mind thats the cue to stash, and then run for the trees with vehicle, bug out supplies, stash that stuff, recon, and lay low to see what goes down.

          • jr23

            and they were warned about these 2 wacko muslims and did nothing who vetted the russian info and why were they not fired

            • Shootit

              They are working for the man. Gov/Corp employees do not get fired. They are promoted, retired, or die in a plane crash.

              • John W.

                Fuddy never became an old Fuddy Duddy.

        • Odd Questioner

          Good call.

          The logistics just aren’t there for *everyone*. They could keep the largest urban centers locked-down, but that’s about it. If anything, such an action would do the rest of us a favor (by keeping the hordes at bay for at least awhile).

          I mean, even on a big scale, I can look at Portland, OR. It has a river running through it large enough to accommodate ocean-going ships (and w/o the drawbridges up, those ships can almost reach downtown.) Taking the bridges and major highways could block the majority of folks in town (and effectively split it in half), but keeping the 3 million residents of the greater metro area locked-down would take at least 3,000 well-armed troops – just to hold the roads. Tooth-to-tail ratio means you have to add at least 5x that number.

          If you get airborne assets and additional troops involved to lock the whole thing down (e.g. helicopters to keep secondary roads and suchlike from being used), you need to add at least the Army equivalent of a fighter wing (about 72 flying units, plus spares), and at least an additional 15,000 troops to cover the roads.

          In case you haven’t kept count, that comes to around 30-45,000 units, just for Portland. Now you get to worry about how you intend to hold the smaller/secondary towns (Salem, Bend, Eugene), which will need around 40,000 troops (including tooth and tail) or so to cover all of them. After that, you have tertiary towns (e.g. Ontario, Grants Pass, Ashland, Pendleton, Astoria, etc.) Oh, and you also have to keep your supply lines open. All said and done, let’s call it around 90,000 troops to keep all big towns and major highways under governmental control.

          Mind you, that not only wipes out all Nat’l Guardsmen in Oregon (around 18,000 bodies), but pulls in a lot of active military personnel to fill in the rest. Note that Oregon overall has a very, very low population density. If you removed the Portland Metro area, you’d remove 3/4 of the state’s population. Now imagine what it would take to keep, oh I dunno… Southern California in check?

          • Canadian Vet

            I’ve argued a lot about the logistics of a full-scale lockdown of the US in terms of personnel, using Afghanistan’s Kandahar Province as an example. And while I am no expert, the logistics of “only” 40000 or so NATO troops with gear in that area are staggering. Just for straight drinking water, assuming an average consumption of 4 litres per man per day, that would be to the tune of 320,000 water bottles A DAY, which translates to 13,334 cases, or just short of 93 PALLETS or water. For a day. For the drinking needs of only 40,000 or so troops. Nevermind the civilians in KAF and the FOBs and PBs who also drink the water.

            Now, let’s just say they want to achieve the same troop to population ratio we had in Kandahar Province, about 40,000 troops for 1.2 million people and there are 360 million people in the US ( for ease of math), that would mean 12 MILLION troops. That is simply impossible to muster, house, feed and support.

            I’ve said it before. All that will be under effective Martial Law and White House control will be scattered “Green Zones” like DC, NYC, L.A. and maybe a few other major strategic locations like major harbours, rail junctions and the like along with whatever chunks of Interstate just so happen to have a patrol or a drone nearby. Anything more is logistically impossible.

            • Nimrod Hunter

              Good post, Canadian Vet.

            • TnAndy

              Exactly CV. People that buy into this baloney simply haven’t run the numbers on personnel and support.
              Will there be some ‘enemies’ of the State picked up ? Probably….why let a good crisis go to waste.

              But mass scale roundups ? Baloney.

              “Bubba” is going to be our worst problem.

              The un-prepped guy that lives down the road with an old rusty 30-30 and a half a box of shells left from a deer hunting foray 10 years ago. Despite your “opsec”, he sees your garden, he sees your solar panels, he knows you keep chickens….AND he is too self centered to cut off the cable TV and cell phone bills, or part with his toys ( Jet ski, latest “ride” ) and actually PREP…. but he also is smart ( or desperate ) enough to coming hunting food when he and his family run can’t hit the drive thru anymore.

              And you have to sleep sometime.

              So rather than worry about a bunch of govt weenies who can’t find their asses with both hands, worry about BUBBA.

              • Mcdave

                Probably need to think about both.
                Bubba is a threat, but the govt can mess with all aspects of this modern life with the push of a button.
                Seize accts., cut communications, supply, fuel, trans, etc.

                • lonelonmum

                  Bubba is a tool of the elite to help thin our numbers.

              • Anonymous

                TnAndy

                They are simply doing what any good military planner does when evaluating the enemy. You give the enemy in your mind every conceivable power possible. Give him every benefit of the doubt and also lower the expectation of your own forces down to almost nothing.

                From there you work your way up, and make plans and goals based off of what may be achievable.

                When soldiers train, they use shitty lasers with shitty hit ratios and over gear them hard. They put them up against others whom are overwhelmingly better prepared and setup and rested. This is done so your forces are not getting cocky. You must always see your enemy as stronger as it is, so you do not expose oneself thinking you are better than him and work yourself into his benefit.

              • Facebook Page

                Then shoot him before he can threaten yours if you are so sure .

            • Kevin2

              Canadian Vet

              The one Amendment pretty much untouched has been the 3rd (Quartering Of Troops). TPTB didn’t by-pass it because of respect. They never needed to address it. This may just be changing in the future. Pose on it; why not? They been pooping on the rest of them with the 1st, 2nd 4th, 5th, 6th, and 10th being used as toilet paper.

              One day in the not too distant future selected people may be required to feed and shelter a soldier.

              • Canadian Vet

                I can’t see that happening, too dangerous for the troops so quartered. And if the families don’t have enough food for themselves, no way they will be able to feed extra uniformed mouths.

                • Kevin2

                  Its not a problem forcing a family in a rural or suburban area to “share” their bounty from their garden and provide a roof over a soldiers head. They damn sure wouldn’t be the first army to drawl their substance from the indigenous population.

                  Dangerous for the troops? Hell dangerous for the family hosting them. Let something happen to the soldier their fault or not and watch the NAZI come out punishing everyone in that home and everyone they ever cared about. Lock your lady folk up too.

            • Yankee Doodle

              Good post CV. People forget that in the Iraq war 2003-2011 the American army only controlled 10 sq miles of territory known as the green zone.And that is after eight years of war. Outside of that zone was known as (No man’s land). And that is with an Army, a Navy an an Air Force and all the modern tech in the world. I don’t think so.

              • John W.

                Iraqis are clan and family oriented. They also do not snitch each other off and they actually fight back not to mention their homes are not of flimsy stick construction but of substantial concrete. Americans will be selling out their neighbors and even their own families after two days of no internet, TV, malls and food. Sadly never has a more useless spoiled population ever existed. We cannot even get concerned enough to resist the ongoing invasion of the country by both legal and illegal immigrants and invaders. A country now being ruled by someone not even eligible to be president. Joke of a nation.

                • lonelonmum

                  This – how many families are destroyed today over inheritance disputes? Grandpa dies and the grand kids set out to destroy each other aided by their parents rather than accept the contents of the will and unite in grief.

                  Persian families grieve together and climb life’s obstacles and mountains together. They then extend this altruistic behavioural trait to people they consider friends and neighbours. When disaster strikes they find themselves refugees in strange lands the old habit of hospitality in the desert extends to that first potwashing job in a new land that together with sheer hard work often means the smartest grandchild becomes a doctor who then is in a position to aid his less gifted cousins.

                  I’ve experienced this sort of kindness being a source of strength myself in the help I’ve received raising a disabled kid alone. It’s not the WASP communities that have acted as a mentor for my boy or reached out to him while asking for NOTHING in return. They may not all be Christian but I’ve seen for myself how Jesus’s lesson of love being the strongest weapon of all can sometimes prevail.

                  p.s not all Iraqi’s I’ve met exhibit this nobility, like dogs you stay away from the mad ones ; )

            • Indy Colts

              @ Canadian Vet

              They don’t need 12 million troops when the zombies will be used to turn in the Patriots. We will be demonized and they will do the NWO’s bidding at the promise of free WiFi.

            • Kulafarmer

              Sounds like the scenario in Rawles books,

              I want to know how they will comunicate their directives to the population, radio? Loudspeakers? Flyers?
              How many people will bug out and dig in out in remote areas, then recon and lay low in between patrols?

            • carnac

              When we fought our first revolution we fought the strongest nation in the world at the time. They had many troops in the country and they were reinforced by professional soldiers from Germany we called the Hessians. We were fighting these armies and their allied Indian tribes. These tribes were killing Americans who lived out in the boonies away from towns. We had no more than 10% of the population actively helping in the revolution at any time. The rest were “silent” supporters and a few were Tories.
              If we fight another revolution in these days (and we probably will sooner than later);we are facing the same things. King Obama (or whomever it will be) has a large standing army and he has help from militarized police departments, some clandestine-Russian troops and UN troops (their modern day ‘Hessians”). The government will use latino-gangs and black gangsters to harass and kill us (their modern versions of Indians). We will get about 10 to 20% of the population to actively help us.
              With all that against Washington in the 1770’s he won. With God’s help…he won. Just like Washington’s army….we, in the 2000’s will win also.

          • Nimrod Hunter

            Odd Questioner,
            You make some good points. Our US UAs (Urban Areas, for census purposes) range from about 18.3 million to 50,000 persons. Using your estimate of 90,000 units for a Portland-sized UA, each soldier would be responsible for 20 citizens.

            There are 497 Urban Areas in the US (not “Metropolitan Areas”, but Urban Areas):
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_areas

            I put them in a spreadsheet, and the average size of a UA is 449,300. That’s not a very useful fact in itself but, roughly, the government would be looking at 497 times a half-million-person-sized bucket. If I was a government logistics guy and they told me I was project manager for controlling only these Urban Areas, I’d retire immediately and head for the hills.

            Looked at another way, the over 223 million citizens in those 497 UAs would require 11,165,105 soldiers to control them, if I use your 90,000 soldier/UA ratio.

            Now, if we have 320 million people in the US, and TPTB actually muster 11 million soldiers to control the urban areas, that leaves 97 million rural people OUTSIDE any urban area. How could they possibly control that nearly 1/3 of the US population who live in rural areas, even WITH their 11 million soldiers?

            I don’t trust the government, but they can’t even build a web site or kick Iraq’s ass, for God’s sake. How could they ever hope to control the entire American population with military force?

          • Anonymous

            Nah, Oregon would be easy. Here’s how I’d do it if I only had a few thousand soldiers.

            1. Secure Portland airport and turn it into my ‘Green Zone’ (2 Battalions, logistics and a couple artillery batteries)
            2. Lock down the rail and road bridges across the Columbia and suspend all road and rail supplies of everything, but mainly food and fuel.
            3. Lock down power, sewage, water supply and bulk fuel outlets….. And turn off them ants and facilities.
            4. Plonk a Battalion plus in Redding and one in Astoria.
            There done!!
            Once food, fuel and water run out and access denied for resupply, people will either live, die or become compliant. Doesn’t matter that you don’t lock down the whole State. Without the basic for say a month it’s over. And if they riot anywhere near the ‘Green Zone’ then thats where your artillery come into play
            You seriously don’t need 90,000 to Contol everyone, just the access to everything they need

            • Odd Questioner

              Congratulations! You just created a black marketeer’s biggest wet dream.

              Leaving aside that PDX ain’t the only airport in town, or that there are multiple bridges that cross the Columbia River (let’s just say more than you think)? Astoria is 80 miles downriver with few roads leading to it (Hwy 30, and that’s it), so stationing troops there won’t support your PDX troops very well, if at all.

              Cut off the basics? Good luck with that. There are literally thousands of discrete roads with which literal semi-trucks can travel in and out of the area unchallenged.

              I will give you one thing, though – the area is chock-full of left-leaning Obama-worshippers. 😉

            • Billy Idol

              You say this as though none of the gubberment people could possibly be bribed or turned.

              • Kulafarmer

                And also an assumption that all the govt people will be on board,,,
                If 1/4 are no shows and link up with other like minded folks, a huge blow can be dealt to the gov mission, anything not captured could be sabotaged, including their supply lines,,
                Two can play their game,

              • John W.

                I assure you that many of the govt. people have as little use for the govt. as many on this site. many are just as pissed off as the rest of the prols.

          • kynase

            All of you bring up a good point about the numbers game…but there is a possibility that the “govt” would recruit citizens who are hungry and needy. A hungry, desperate soul who was unwilling to see the warning signs before hand would fall for the false flag and will do almost anything to save their own skin. And if that person has kids, then they will march to the drummers of a militia force against their own neighbors if it means 3 squares for their family. That’s what I’m betting.

            • Odd Questioner

              Now this is a good point – the area is packed to the rafters with folks who worship the ground Obama and Company walk on.

          • genghisken

            I’m thinking of what may happen if these martial law bozos try to take over the Bario of LA. Or Koreatown.
            Probably would not be pretty.

            • jr23

              Koreantown learned a lot about protecting themselves during the LA riots i do not think they will give in too easy again
              while the gang bangers in the bario have a lot of illegal guns they are too doped up to shoot straight but they will give them a problem

            • TheGuy

              Pffft “take over” is so… 1944…

              There are plenty of areas you can take over. For everything else… there’s Captain Tripps.

              Don’t leave home without it!

          • M

            So what happens when a fly by shooting of the handful of huge transformers happens . And you get no replacements ?

            Hint , about 300 sorties tops would knock out just about every huge transformer in the country . The big ones we no longer make and have an 18 + month build out time.

        • Canadian Vet

          There is no way the US can be fully occupied and pacified, not without millions of troops. Look at Afghanistan’s Kanadahar Province.

          I was there back in ’08 and there were something along the lines of 40K NATO troops in this area only about 21,000 square miles in size with a population of about 1.2 millions. And there was nowhere safe beyond about a hundred meters from the outer perimeters of our strongest locations like KAF, Masum Ghar or Wilson. I can’t speak for a lot of the other major patrol bases or FOBs, I wasn’t there but I can’t imagine things being much different.

          But even then, we were still receiving a lot of indirect fire from so-called “safe” and “cleared” areas and even major routes regularly patrolled, cleared and under overhead observation were still laced with IEDs.

          And that was all from a relatively small number of largely illiterate half-savages only a few steps removed from the Middle-Ages who could defeat some of the most advanced military technology and training available with sheer cunning, inventiveness, knowledge of the ground, guts and the ability to observe and learn from us. By the way, don’t get me wrong, I respect the Afghan insurgency as an enemy based on their skills and abilities but I have no love for them; I have been on the Tarmac watching better men than me get loaded in the back of a Herc too damned often.

          Now, imagine what equally intelligent but better-equipped, educated Americans could do, especially when you understand the language your “occupiers” speak, look like them and can pass off as one of them with as little as a trip to an Army Surplus store.

          Odds are, there will be “safer” Green Zones in places like NYC, D.C., L.A. and a few other major cities but the countryside and most roads? They will belong to a resistance. There are simply too many people (with or without training but the inclination to resist), too many guns and too much real estate to lock it all down. Obama will only really control a small fraction of the US, mostly in major cities. In fact, he will be more like the Mayor of D.C. than POTUS, just like I have heard Hamid Karzai referred to as the Mayor of Kabul instead of the President of Afghanistan.

          • jc

            I agree that the logistics of a full scale occupation is impossible, esp for gov lackeys who will screw up repeatedly in m executing any orders. Some of us have surely reconned the what, where and when of their home turf. I say let them try, better bring alot of bodybags for the inept non-warrior class Obamas Nazis…

          • Daytona Matt

            Excellent post Canada! You’ve given me a glimmer of hope. I’ve thought along the same lines, but to hear someone else voice it makes the difference. My belief is when the criminal in chief makes his move, after all the edicts and scandals already, a large percentage will have had enough & begin to form up. Wether they’re aware of it or not. Que the Battle Hymn!
            Standing ready in Daytona

          • RNC 'em all

            Please understand that I mean no disrespect nor am I attempting to incite anyone. I think the idea that we could be occupied to be highly unlikely for all the already stated reasons. The far more likely answer will be that the false flag will cause our sheeple neighbors to both turn themselves in and then turn in their neighbors. It is far more likely that “extremist right wingers” cause the next FF. White people, of course. Seemingly normal, suburbanites. Gun owners, obviously. Unthinking, sheeple neighbors will turn on each other and do all the dirty work for them. Any of our honorable vets from the Sand Box will confirm that many citizens used the US Army to settle vendettas and old conflicts with enemies, causing unfortunate situations for very innocent folks.

            Re-read Yuri’s post. Get to know your neighbors well. OPSEC isn’t important, its everything.

          • Nimrod Hunter

            Another good post, Canadian Vet. I’ve heard it said that the American people are among the most long-suffering, patient, tolerant, and compassionate, but they are ferocious fighters when roused. If our people ever were required to commit to fighting an Afghanistan-style asymmetrical war, it would only require a few million fighters to wear down “the mightiest military the world has ever known” to a nubbin.

          • HD74Man

            RE: Afghanistan…Interesting how opium production has skyrocketed ever since the US moved troops into the country. Given the current administration, the CIA is probably using the money from the sale to heroin producers for covert operations against its own citizenry.

            • yourmotherwaswrong

              HD74Man says:

              “Given the current administration, the CIA is probably using the money from the sale to heroin producers for covert operations against its own citizenry.”

              Do you not understand the concept of the “false left/right paradigm?”

              There is NO fundamental difference between a Democrat and a Republican! They’re ALL scumbags!!

              Of course the Empire/FASCISTS are encouraging poppy production in Afghanistan!

              It’s all about MONEY and CONTROL.

              Got a joint in your car when the cops/thugs pull you over… you go to jail.

              The USG/Banksters supporting poppy production in Afghanistan… well thats just business.

              Move along. Nothing to see there.

              USA… USA… USA…

              • HD74Man

                @yourmother…Still see a big difference between Ron Paul (who the media ignored profusely in the Republican nomination run ’cause he had the balls to call a spade a spade aka “END THE FED” and to let those stupid enough to build on the seacoast to pay for their own property casualty insurance w/o federal government subsidies) and D-RAT trash like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein.

                • Kevin2

                  HD74

                  Do you see much of a difference between the Republicans that were actually supported by their party and the Democrats? The true shortest list ever written would be the real differences between Obama and McCain or Obama and Romney.

                  Forget the Presidency, its hopeless. Both horses are bought in the two horse race.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  Do you still vote?

                  Are you caught up in the scam of the “false left/right paridigm?

                  ???

                  In Washington DC, there is NO difference between an “R” and a “D.”

                  Can you grasp that?

                  It comes down to this.

                  It’s us against them!!!

                  Can you grasp that???

          • Kulafarmer

            No quarter,

          • John W.

            Advanced nations with a very high standard of living and a population which has no way of feeding itself and dependent of high tech infrastructure for support is the easiest to control. Countries like Iraq where most are used to getting by on very little and where most stick together are the most difficult. The US of fifty years ago would have been a tough nut to crack. The America of today will surrender without a whimper, hell half the nation hates itself and the country. I hope to never have to find out who is right on this but I am pretty sure I am..

        • JayJay

          Kentucky has 120 counties.
          Even with bare minimum of 50 for each county, that is 6000 DHS/National Guard/Russian/Foreign soldiers.
          Pfffttt!! 😉

        • phdinlogic

          You are missing one huge point: foreign troops will be aiding in the elimination of resistance.

          • BamBam

            Not sure if that would really help them. I’d be more worried about fighting fellow Americans, at least emotionally. Fighting off 3rd worlders would be easier because there is a clear dividing line. They may feel the same way about us, but it definitely damage their local support and actually help catalyze undecideds into the opposition.

            Or in other words,”Get off my lawn!”

          • Kulafarmer

            They will also be laying on the ground bleeding next to the other assholes.

          • Billy Idol

            You mean the French, or the U.N? Yea, they’re brutally effective.

        • Thantheaverage

          @ Prepared Pastor

          Most people wrongfully assume gun confiscation has to come first. All that would be needed is a crisis that shuts down the food supply and people without food storage would walk right into the FEMA camps.

          • Anonymous

            Food takes too long. Shut off the water and you get near instant compliance.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Just Shut off Cable TV and these Jerry Springer Couch Potato Cockroaches will be Rioting in the Shopping Malls. lol

            • wildcowboy

              Shut off the water? it’s rained 2 inches here in the last 24 hors.

            • John W.

              Just imagine being stuck in Phoenix, Vegas or Tucson in the middle of Summer with no water or power. Half the population will be dead in a week. Same goes for Lost Angeles and other cities.

          • Facebook Page

            WHY DOES EVERYONE ASSUME THEY WANT TO KEEP ANYONE ALIVE. SHUT IT OFF AND WAIT SIX MONTHS.
            SUPPLIES ARE FOR THE ONES THEY WANT TO SURVIE.

            WORTHLESS EATERS HAVE SERVED THERE PURPOSE.

            • Odd Questioner

              Dumb idea. A starving population is a desperate one, and unless you have a 1:5 ratio of soldier to angry mob, you’re gonna lose.

              • Facebook Page

                Keep them out of the way. Let nature take its course. These supplies are for the one they want to live. Not to house the worthless.

                Why would they care.

                • Billy Idol

                  FEMA camps are NOT intended for long-term residents.

              • John W.

                Most of the German troops guarding the Jews and others waiting to be taken to the camps did not even have loaded weapons. You obviously have no knowle3dge of how easily people can be controlled.

              • John W.

                Where do you get your concepts from? Fairy tales where the good guys always win? A mob has zero chance against trained troops who have no problem going full auto shoot to kill. Getting out the vote for some people like Cruz will avoid this mess. Instead of just posting here send money and help to candidates that will help recover the concept of a lawful nation which Obama has made a joke of.

        • Calgacus

          Good post Prepared pastor. Got to look at the sheer numbers to see how its weighted. Theyre trying to overwhelm us w/ laws and regulations that restrict everything while they go straight for Christians. Theyre desperate now w/ obamacare failing and we see the big mistakes day after day. The only ways I see them going after the whole population is through more economic collapse, false flags as triggers, and martial law.

        • lemmingsrnotusdamnit

          Your scenario sounds much more realistic.

        • John W.

          Keep telling yourself that they cannot do it. It will be so easy after it is over everyone will be wondering what happened. They only have to make an example of a few “troublemakers”to get the rest to fall in line. What are you going to do when they grab an entire schools student body and make getting them back dependent on turning over all weapons and any preps owned by their families? We also all saw how easy they pulled it off in Boston using one bombing incident as the. As long as the populace thinks they are helping to catch some bad guys they will fall in line. The ways they will do this are endless and there is nothing we can do as we elected the morons who voted this crap in. Who is really going to shoot it out with trained troops who have armor backup when it will result in their families being killed?

          • Odd Questioner

            “What are you going to do when they grab an entire schools student body and make getting them back dependent on turning over all weapons and any preps owned by their families? ”

            1) you assume everyone has kids in school

            2) you assume everyone would turn in everything

            3) you assume word would not get out quickly, galvanizing the population everywhere else

            4) you assume that soldiers and policemen would blindly do such a thing

            Too many moving parts in your scenario, boyo.

            • Billy Idol

              How many of us would meekly pay ransom to savages who have kidnapped their kids? Try something like this, and our “allies” the Pakistanis will look like saints.

            • John W.

              My observation is that the present population of the US will do anything to stay comfortable and avoid any trouble plus the normalcy bias will make it almost impossible for people to accept that their govt that has always given them goodies now intends to harm or even kill them. Ask yourself what percentage of the population has ever been in the military let alone seen combat. How many have ever experienced any hard times at all with no food for days and no heat or other comfort items we all take for granted. A comfortable advanced country is far easier to subdue than one where the conditions are primitive which is what the US was up until the 1950s.

        • Jay in UK

          I’ll offer my British view on this, for what it’s worth, and once again I’ll refer to our old Cold War era UK government “War Book”, now declassified.

          The British government, along with other NATO governments in Europe, were (and still are) consumed with the necessity of ensuring their continuity during the final transition to WW3 and in the months immediately after a nuclear exchange took place.

          Plans were in place to enact all manner of draconian measures, including – and this is the bit relevant to this subject – rounding up of dissidents and anyone deemed a potential, never mind existential, threat to the government. As one historian described it, the UK government would transform itsef into a “take no chances state” during the hyper sensitive transition to WW3. Dissidents and potential enemies of the state were thus to be rounded up and placed in prison camps on the Isle of Man.

          Fast forward 30 years to today and what you see in the USA is the same kind of thinking in the NDAA legislation and the militarisation of the police, which are two critical steps in preparing for a coming layered operation against the American people. Or rather, against an element of the American people, specfically, those who understand and support the US Constitution.

          At present, the USG is stepping up all aspects of its readiness to take out the dissidents. You are seeing a war of sorts on gun onwership (why? because the very internal demographic the USG fears during the WW3 buildup and after the nukes fly also happens to be passionate advocates of gun onwership). You are also witnessing an escalation in joint operations between the police and military across the USA, so that when the time comes, it all works as much like clockwork as possible. And if you look at NDAA again, you will note that it is designed with the US military in mind as a rounder-up of anyone deemed an enemy of the state, anywhere on earth! This means the USG envisages the need to arrest and indefinitely intern (or liquidate) without charge, trial or jury anyone they decide is a threat to America. By which they mean, a threat to the continuity of government during the buildup to WW3 and in the early months after it starts.

          One of the UK government’s great worries was that an alternative source of power might emerge in the country after WW3 started. Now, if a largely disarmed population could be seen as such a threat to continuity of government, how much more so do you think a heavily armed public is viewed as such a threat in the USA?

          For the sake of balance, I should point out that I don’t believe there can possibly be a general round-up of the entire population for processing in camps. Rather, I believe a layered approach will take place, based on priorities.

          The following scenario outlines how I think it might play:

          Around the time when TPTB are about ready to bunker down for WW3, the US will undergo an attack on its civilian telecommunications infrastructure, i.e., web, telephone, cell phone networks and it will be presented to the public as a national emergency caused by cyber attack and saboteurs within the country. The internal element of it will justify a lockdown of the transport infrastructure, curfews, the mobilisation of FEMA and it will get the troops and police on the streets, all on a tide of national indignation against the “internal enemies of America”.

          During this time, TV and radio will still function so that propaganda can be spread and the sheeple kept from mass panic for a few days – a good time to do this would be a holiday period, when people are not at work and have extra food in their homes anyway. Meanwhile, with no functional civilian internet to allow alerts to be spread, the roundup can begin. The masses will think the goons in jackboots are hunting down “the terrorists” but in reality, they’ll be going after:

          1. High profile dissidents famous across the nation, including contrarian politicians, bloggers, authors, clergymen, patriot leaders, veterans. Fake conservatives like Glenn Back will NOT be included; rather, they will be on air, doing their work.

          2. Next they’ll go for the guys on a state or regional level, guys who could be construed as opinion-makers.

          3. Beyond that, it’s on a more localised basis and increasingly selective, i.e., an outspoken local politician at county level.

          4. Last of all, some potential threats will be lifted, e.g. some nationals of Russia or China, their US spouses, etc. By this stage, they have to be very selective as (a) there are so many to go after and (b) time is short before the nukes fly.

          When the web comes back on, TPTB will have used the lockdown to enact last minute logistics moves and be ready to pull the hatches on their bunkers.

          • TnAndy

            Jay in UK,

            Land mass in the UK is a small fraction of the US….and even 6 small counties in Northern Ireland have caused you guys a lot of problems over the years.

            Gun owners in the US far outnumber those in the UK. ( Saw an article yesterday that stated Florida ALONE was on tap for a MILLION pre-Christmas sales of firearms this year )

            The only mass roundups in modern history have involved mostly unarmed folks. I simply do not think you can use other country examples and translate that to the US.

            Best estimates I’ve seen say 45% of US households own at least one firearm…..call it 150 million armed folks.

            US Army (about 600k) and Marines (about 200k) total under a million active troops. Throw in another 500k of national guard and call it 1.3 million….many of which are support personnel that haven’t fired a weapon since basic training.

            That puts it back down to ‘maybe’ 500k of actual grunts, AND assumes that when roll is called, they actually show up to fire on their own folks. My guess that number will range from near zero to a few hundred thousand tops.

            Now you’re down to ‘maybe’ few hundred thousand, often disorganized ( cause a lot of officer/non-coms ARE going to remember their OATH )and under supported troops.

            I just don’t buy they are going to be able to take on 150 million gun owners…..even if you knock out 90% of those owners as ones that will never, ever fire a shot ( and I think that is wildly optimistic when it comes down to losing your freedom or family ), that still leaves a hard core armed population 20-30 times the number of armed troops.

            The numbers simply don’t work.

            What the numbers (of firearms owners) DO SAY is there will be a heck of a lot of internal bloodshed over resources (food, water, fuel, etc)…..the Bubba Factor. We see it now when a storm hits, and something like gasoline becomes scarce….fights break out at gas stations. Do that nation wide, add in a week to a month, and you won’t believe the how the bodies will stack up.

            IF I were ‘TPTB’, my plan would be to use a small core of trusted individuals to cut off resources…..power probably being the easiest to knock out, (under a false flag event) and all the rest of the dominoes that depend on power (water, food) would fall into place over the course of a short period.

            Give it 6 months (especially over a winter), the population would be seriously depleted, THEN send in the troops you’ve been keeping well supplied to mop up in the form of “I’m from the govt and I’m here to help you”.

            If the US is taken, THAT is how it will most likely be done….IMHO.

            • Jay in UK

              TnAndy, perhaps you misread my post?

              I am saying that if the UK government sees its essentially disarmed population as a threat, how much more so does the USA see its heavily armed population?

              I agree, there is no way they can disarm everyone in any kind of meaningful way. Instead there will be a gradual push against gun ownership up until WW3 is ready to go, and then it becomes about locking the country down, limiting movement, secretly rounding up potential leaders of any resistance, and then waging a propaganda campaign designed to get as many patriot types on-side as possible for the war againt “the external threat to America”.

              If you read my post again, you’ll see I am against the theory of a massive, indiscriminate roundup. It has to be limited, fast and directed against the most valuable targets, i.e., “movers, shakers, opinion-makers”…

              Oh, and I know all about Northern Ireland – I lived there from my birth in the 1970s right up until a year ago! It’s my part of the UK.

          • Nimrod Hunter

            Jay in UK,
            I understand that you are writing about “continuity of government” planning that includes pacification of nascent centers of power which could contend with the government during an “R-Hour”. I haven’t read the War Book itself, but I’ve read essays about it.

            The British war plan would have been implemented in case a Soviet threat escalated to the brink of a nuclear event. It was a reaction against a hypothetical threat to Britain.

            Your model of USG readiness posits extremely aggressive preparation in the absence of any likely external threat. Implicit in your argument, it seems, is that comprehensive subversion of the Republic has been carried out to set the stage for a _deliberate initiation_ of WW3.

            You write, “This means the USG envisages the need to arrest and indefinitely intern (or liquidate) without charge, trial or jury anyone they decide is a threat to America. By which they mean, a threat to the continuity of government during the buildup to WW3 and in the early months after it starts.”

            Never mind the problems inherent in pacifying the US populace by military force. I would be interested to read such sources as you would bring regarding a master plan to start World War III.

        • Jack Hammer

          I would like to agree with your assessment but I can’t completely. I agree the DHS & U.S. military could not lock down the U.S. but….add the million or more police and sheriff deputies to the pot and now we are looking at several million enforcers. Then ad the U.N. to this as well as the Russian and even Chinese troops that ObaMao will bring in and it’s a done deal. I would venture to guess that about 40% of American “troops” would not shoot other Americans unless fired upon first but….all those U.N. and foreign troops would love to kill, rape, pillage and burn our homes and cities to the ground. ObaMao is salivating at the thought of completely destroying the U.S. and killing millions of Americans.

          It’s coming…no doubt in my mind. Prepare to fight, prepare to die, prepare to win, prepare to survive.

          • HD74Man

            @Jack Hammer…RE: It’s coming…no doubt in my mind. Prepare to fight, prepare to die, prepare to win, prepare to survive.

            Your comment pretty much sums it all up. O’BummerCare will be the final nail in the coffin for this country. While I believe the US populace is gunned up to the max, I do feel sorry for those living in the Plains States with no tree cover. Back in the days of Robin Hood, all the land barons in England deforested the landscape. Subsequently, Sherwood Forest served as the refuge for the band of “Merry Men outlaws”. Correspondlingly, up here in Maine, we have the “Great North Woods” in which to disappear into. It would take virtually legions to attempt to maintain any semblance of control and order up here. Currently, there’s around 1200 state policeme vs. 10,000 in the 1st Maine Militia alone. Ain’t even gonna be a contest.

          • John W.

            If they plan on using foreign troops then one of the first things they will do is disarm the American troops and recall them to base and keep them confined there. Problem solved. I recently noticed an enclosure on NAVSTA San Diego which looks like an outside holding area for prisoners. It may just be storage but it is recent and looks more like a place to confine people. It is visible from the 5 and I will tale a better look next time I go by. Then again maybe I am a paranoid.

        • crazy2medic

          I’ve always said the time to fight back is not when they come for your guns, but when they come for your neighbors guns

        • Michael

          Hmm… All the government has to do is stop the food supply coming in either by HAARP (natural disaster), stop putting $$ on the 50 million EBT users, or physically stop the food from coming to market….say 30 days! what do you think will happen? What if they were to stop the 150 million from getting their daily dose of pharmaceutical drugs as well? Its not like this scenario has never happened before thru out the world….Russia, China, African nations etc…. people will be rioting then killing each other off…only then will the BEAST government step in as the savior…..

          this is why Obama has been pushing as many people on the EBT system and the Big Pharma companies have been pushing everyone on Anti depressants etc… CONTROL!

          Drones will take out those out side the cities very easily….

          why do I say this….because everything that is happening today would not have happened 30yrs ago….but we are now desensitized, drugged and dumbed down, and slaves to material stuff, etc…

          • John W.

            It would take merely shutting down the I-5,15,40, state route 99 and I-80 to pretty much paralyze California. The ocean on one side with the Sierras on the other and Mexico to the South pretty much seals the place in.

        • NetRanger

          Your mention of institutional terrorism (But this time against constitutionists and patriots instead of elementary kids and marathon runners) to scare the majority into submission won’t work. After an attempted and failed gun confiscation program? Ha! At that point it would trigger a type of game. If it were a video game I’m thinking an appropriate name would “If It Belongs To The State, It Should Either Be On Fire Or Be Riddled With Bullets”

        • ElPolacko

          Alexander Solzhenitsyn said that this happened back in the 1920’s under Stalin. He said that if the people were armed and if just one or two of the Secret Police died every time they came for someone…the practice would have stopped fairly quickly. The answer to the question of “How to stop them from rounding us up?”: kill as many as you can when they come for you.

        • Standoff Guy

          It can be done, but in increments. You take out the biggest threat first while using propaganda to make them very, very bad. this allows the public to dismiss this human and couch in fear for a while longer. Slowly you remove more and more. It matters not that some hunters can shoot from mountain tops with many avenues of escape. Electronics can quickly locate where shots are fired from allowing the NAZIS to muster their forces in small areas. Most people will absolutely not help their neighbors being taken down by Brown Shirts. Most all will cower and crawl to safety. You have to be trained how to react and practice it in order to have a chance of any success. You have not killed and will hesitate. The Blue line is militarized and is used to pulling the trigger without thought, without remorse, without regret and some actually like to bully other humans. There is no humanity in a Cordon and Search operation, you just pray they will not kill you or rape your women this time. You will crawl, you will beg, you will cry without proper training and mental preparation. Americans have become soft, lazy and immoral people. Of 80 million gun owners not even ONE (1) million will show up to defend the country from this MARXIST Tyranny. May GoD help you because you mostly aren’t doing anything yourselves…but talk.

          • John W.

            Standoff Guy,

            Finally someone who gets reality not some Rambo fantasy. Shooting paper targets and dreaming fantasies like the kid in Christmas is not real life. I just hope we can get a better govt. elected and avoid all this. Long shot I know with the scumbags that are in and gravitate to office but it is our only real hope.

        • apachewarrior

          Pastor you may be right….however I don’t think you have a grasp of what is coming at us. If we are to survive this unholy destruction o our country we must go to the Lord Jesus for aid. You can’t honestly think that a couple ought sixes and a bunch -o 22’s and a 30-30 are gonna make much difference. I served in the military myself I won’t say where or when but I can say with the current tech and the lack o common sense in this country I could go through most of his country with 5 divisions. The key is to be off any tech including quartz watches and weapons are only effective when one has ammo and or the components to make ammo. THAT SAID they will have to burn the stump and sift the ashes to find any sign of me and mine. Sun Tzu’s art of war chapter one page one. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR OPPONENT. TRUST JESUS AND GOD BLESS

        • Itsonlyjesus

          Really, do your research, look up “manned and unmanned prisons across America. Look up “staffed and partially staffed holding cells (prisons) facilities across America. Do you not think the minds and powers that be have not considered that? What were the thousands of Chineese troops brought to Colorado for just weeks ago?
          What are other countries tying in and brining in mass troops to our US of A? There would no doubt be an uproar, but they will have taken our guns, or tried. They will have blackmailed and baited fear in our hearts with our children. These things will come, the question is when!

      • Kulafarmer

        Im with you, pure baloney!

        • wrong

          Agree. Oscar Meyer Brand…

        • wrong

          Hey Kula

          The ass hole in chief is coming your way. Can you please take good care of him for us all?

          wrong

          • Kulafarmer

            Im hopeing a flyboy from Hickam AFB goes rogue with a raptor and smokes them xmas eve

            • Gunner

              Maybe you could introduce Shish Kabama
              as a new Island delicacy, Kula.
              Prick on a stick…..

              • buttcrackofdoom

                LMFAO!!! kula.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “Americans must take their government back now or be steam rolled by the NWO.”

                  And yet you support Central Banking!

                  Central Banking IS the NWO!!!

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama; There is “central banking” and then there is the FED. While the FED is central banking; central banking need not be the FED. This is your error.

                  Of course you probably think that a townhouse and a condominium are the same thing too.

                  Kill the FED. Death to the New World Order. 🙂

                • buttcrackofdoom

                  gunner, I meant…..well BOTH of you….hee hee
                  i’d rather put my DICK in a blender full of jalapenos than shake the HAND of that prick.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  “Yo Mama; There is “central banking” and then there is the FED. While the FED is central banking; central banking need not be the FED. This is your error.”

                  OMG!!! So the FED is “central banking” but yet it’s not.

                  And this is my error?

                  LMFAO.

                  You can’t make this shit up folks.

                  DK has it down!

                  LOL…

                  “Write drunk… edit sober.” ~ Hemingway

            • durango kidd

              Not total baloney. The documents are in place. Agenda 21 IS the program. Those are the facts. What will be the execution?

              Why do you think I encourage y’all to ENGAGE your employees NOW, and repeat myself until you are sick of hearing it? Americans must take their government back now or be steam rolled by the NWO. This is not fantasy. This is reality; one rule, regulation, or strip search at a time.

              And yes, while DHS couldn’t scale up across the country at once, FEMA could declare a national disaster for a specific reason; whether real or imagined, and the government could lock down NYC for example and “pacify” it zip code by zip code and the rest of the country would sit by and say, “Good riddance to bad rubbish”.

              Rinse and repeat for Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, Nashville, Baltimore, etc. Resistance from outside would be labeled “unpatriotic”, “revolutionaries”, “anarchists”, “malcontents” and “terrorists”. Like a many tentacled octopus, this virus could spread state by state.

              By the time armed resistance was organized enough to make a difference, the bulk of the country could be under control of a Rogue Administration and Patriots would be considered “ideologues”.

              Guerrilla war would be the response, but technology and a massive fleet of armed drones and killer robots would favor the Coup unless the Military generated a counter – coup.

              When is this likely, if ever? In the not too distant future as technology continues to improve, drone fleets are manufactured, and the Earth Changes predicted by the Bible occur.

              Earth Changes are coming. Earth Changes are real. Note that Nappy’s letter to her replacement recognized that geological events are coming. She was privy to scientific knowledge WE do not have.

              Life is plastic. So is politics. Put your stamp on them both, NOW. We have to power to shape and change OUR destiny. Organize, communicate, volunteer, donate, and vote.

              The Republic is ours if WE are determined to keep it. 🙂

              • durango kidd

                Don’t believe in Earth Changes? There has been an incredibly MASSIVE spike in the gravity of the Caribbean, Central America, and the northern portion of South America.

                This gravity anomaly is likely caused by a HUGE pluton rising slowly from the Earth’s core. Think lava lamp on a global scale. This could have a significant impact upon OUR magnetosphere and a re-distribution of the weight of the Earth.

                Change is what happens when you are not paying attention. Focus. 🙂

                • Cellar spider

                  Dk,

                  Your statement that plutons affect “gravity” absolutely fascinates me. Would you mind giving a brief synopsis of your reasoning from a physics perspective.

                  I’m not being sarcastic, just truly inquisitive.

                • durango kidd

                  CS: The relationship between mass and gravity is well documented in geophysics, do some reading at say, Geology.com. 🙂

                • Hunter

                  Whoa!!!

                  Hold up there a bit, Dk, per your statement:
                  …”a redistribution” of (the) weight of the Earth!!!

                  WTF???

                  Dude, I gather you’re talking about a loss of mass/density on par with a celestial body losing its rotational equilibrium/centrifugal balance, due to a loss of counter-balancing mass…of said masses 3D(& axis) center-line???

                  ..or a massive addition of off center-line/equatorial mass.

                  Soooo, which is it?

                  ——————

                  ..irregardless of addition/subtraction, what are the probable vectors of unbalanced centripetal wobbling/oscillation..affecting not only our orbital path..but the planet’s axial spin/rotation as well?

                  —————–

                  Gimme a link and the math, DK!

                  ..that’s something I’d really like to look at!!!!!!!!!!

                  —————–

                  To all & FYI:

                  Plutons generally refer to granitoid rock formations/densities inherent to cooling magma deposits.

                • Hunter

                  Ooops…sorry ’bout last night’s posted questions DK!
                  Funny how one can comprehend things more clearly, sans too much good bourbon.

                  ..heck, I cannot understand my own wasted gibberish this a.m.

                  (moan), my head hurts!

                • kynase

                  I attempted to search for research articles supporting this claim, DK. I couldn’t find any..maybe I’m looking for the wrong thing. Would you mind linking in your source(s)? I am very interesting in reading this article. Thanks.

                • Cellar Spider

                  @DK,

                  Oh God, instead of that incessant Subliminal New World Order diatribe you constantly subject us to, for a minute there, I thought you had something interesting to say.

                  Your hypothesis that Plutons affect “gravity” could have been used as a concept that supports the existence of the Ether.

                  Instead, you demonstrated that you have no basic understanding of physics. You see DK, the mass of the pluton does not change relative to the mass of the cooling magma that forms the Pluton. All Matter Is Preserved! This is high school physics.

                  What does change in the formation of the pluton, is density.

                  Now, If you treat gravity as a compressive wave, instead of an attractive wave, you can postulate that gravity waves emmanating from an azimuth of 90 degress down to the caribbean (from space) and gravity waves emmanating from an azimuth of -90 degrees (up from the interior of the earth) to the caribbean sum to form a gravitational constant at the caribbean.

                  The existence of the pluton then could theoretically refract the gravity waves emmanating from the interior of the earth thereby causing a positive delta when the waves emmanating from different directions are summed together at the caribbean.

                  This hypothesized delta might just support the observed gravitiational anomaly in the Caribbean!

                  This is huge DK as one could extrapolate that gravity could be construed as a compressive wave as opposed to an attractive wave.

                  And this of course, could lend itself to that old familiar theory of the “Ether”.

                  You’re a Genious DK!….even if you don’t understand that the mass of a pluton doesn’t change from the mass of the cooling magma that forms it (except for the neglible mass of escaping gases).

                • durango kidd

                  Hunter: Whoa? The weight of the Earth has shifted and has been re-distributed many times over the eons. Continents have shifted, divided, re-arranged themselves and re-assembled themselves, again, again, and again. That’s common knowledge and should not come as a surprise to you.

                  While all the elements necessary for these Changes may not be known, WE certainly understand that these Changes have occurred in geologic time and that MASSIVE plutons are moving about deep within the Earth and under its crust.

                  Sometimes these plutons “surface” creating giant ore bodies, for example. Using your jargon, it would equate to a massive realignment of “off center-line/equatorial mass”. 🙂

                • wildcowboy

                  You’re wrong, God is still in control.

              • The Old Coach

                +1 there D.K. I’m thinking of how the British rounded up the Boers in South Africa.

              • Walt Kowalski

                I’m sick of hearing your “engage” crap because it’s a bunch of BS.

                You talk about “engaging” out of one side of your mouth, while on the other you sing the praises of Janet Napolitano, who has acted as one of the foremost agents in the acceleration of tyranny in this country.

                • Canadian Vet

                  Seeing how it seems every seat in Congress and the Senate and the big chair in the White House seem to be on auction to th highest bidder, I would agree with you but there are still those who just can’t be bought just yet.

                  Napolitano is actually only the most visible face of the truly big problem: the unelected heads of departments and the high-level so-called public servants who are loyal only to the political masters who gave the these high-profile positions.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: Nappy was a GREAT Governor for Arizona. She was strongly opposed to Illegal Immigration while she was here. I am sure she carried that viewpoint to DC. Unfortunately it was not the viewpoint of POTUS.

                  I don’t agree with you about her being a “foremost agent of tyranny”. As a dept head she was obliged to follow the O’Bummer/Holder program or exit.

                  She left.

                  Knowing her as I do based upon her activities here, (but not knowing her personally myself), I suspect she was a quiet advocate for Constitutional processes.

                  I can tell you (from my sources) that her “See Something, Say Something” program was her response to valid intelligence presented to her from private sources.

                  That surprisingly DHS did not possess, and that she deemed the information so valuable, that she hoped by asking the public to submit any information that they might have in their possession, she might verify the information submitted to her, through a second source. Just like any good reporter would.

                  So it was not a secret police request to spy upon your neighbor as Alt Media would like you to believe. Sometimes government officials DO act upon OUR best interests; although there is considerable justification to look at their activities with a jaundiced eye. My sources are good and they tell me that Nappy is a Patriot; even if she is a gay/liberal Patriot.

                  WE use to call such people the “loyal opposition” in America. It is possible to have dissenting views, Walt, and still believe that the US Constitution is the best vehicle for self determination and self realization.

                  Engage!!! 🙂

              • James II

                DuKidd

                You have been in the liquor cabinet again, I can tell by your incoherent ramblings.

                • durango kidd

                  James II; Thanks for the laugh! I gave you a thumbs up! 🙂

                • braveheart

                  DK, I usually follow your posts with great interest and you really know how to carry on a good conversation. But I have to respectfully disagree with you about Janet Napolitano and DHS. I have to agree with whoever said she was doing her part to bring about tyranny. DHS was created, NOT to serve the American people, BUT TO BE AN INSTRUMENT OF TERROR AND OPPRESSION AGAINST THE PEOPLE! STOP AND THINK, WHY WERE FORMER SOVIET KGB OFFICIALS ALONG WITH MARKUS WOLFE, HEAD OF THE OLD EAST GERMAN STASI, BROUGHT IN TO SET UP DHS? WHY WERE COMMUNIST THUGS BROUGHT IN TO SET UP A US GOVERNMENT AGENCY? DID WE NOT HAVE ANYONE OF OUR OWN WHO COULD DO IT? IT’S SIMPLE. DHS WAS DESIGNED TO BE USED AGAINST US, PERIOD! DK, please wake up and smell the coffee. No one in the beltway cares about the people’s interest. braveheart

                • Rich

                  Man Durango!
                  If ever a comment exsisted that proved without a doubt one was a shill, I’d be hard pressed to find it! Your blatant, declared man love for the napster (napolitano) is vulgar to say the least, but to try to throw in some physics to back up your self admitted crush on that bulldagger is quite simply nauseating:-)

                • durango kidd

                  Braveheart: DHS was created to bring all sources of intelligence under one roof as the various departments (CIA, DIA, FBI etc) tended to keep their data in house and closely guarded from one another.

                  DHS was designed to assemble all of the intelligence in one place, to be overseen by a cabinet level civilian, in the hope that various pieces of a threat to national security uncovered by one agency might be confirmed by a piece of information uncovered by another.

                  In a world where an ICBM with a 100 megaton warhead can reach the USA in a matter of minutes, DHS may be a necessary evil that must be watched very carefully, and “manned” by a person of exceptional integrity.

                  I think Nappy was a good choice. I love Nappy! 🙂

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  “DHS may be a necessary evil”

                  Spoken like a true Fascist.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  The durango kidd is a troll.

                  He is Establishment!

                  Read his posts!!!

                  He claims to be a patriot, but yet he supports the socialist concept of “Central Banking.”

                  WTF???

                  The durando kidd is a Fascist.

                  He would kill you, or jail you, if you oppose government money (The FED).

                  Tell me I’m wrong DK…

                  Tell me it’s ok to “opt out” of your/the governments money scam!!!

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama: Central banking is a business concept to facilitate commerce and it is necessary for a sophisticated, national or global, commercial system.

                  It is not necessary for garage sale economics.

                  While the Socialists and Marxists and NWO Elite want to use central banking as an instrument of control, it is primarily a useful system to facilitate commerce and provide the necessary services to a sophisticated economy.

                  The FED is a Middle Man who is not necessary to conduct the mechanisms of central banking and has been inserted between the people and their money to facilitate control of the world to the benefit of a few at the expense of the many.

                  You have still not articulated your plan to replace the mechanisms and services of the FED with a “marketplace” solution.

                  Thus, while the FED is central banking, central banking need not be the FED. They are apples and oranges, much like a townhouse and a condo.

                  A condominium is a legal form of ownership while a town house describes an architectural building style. Words have meaning and the words you use should accurately describe your thoughts. If The FED and Socialism are congruent in your mind then your mind is grossly muddled.

                  If you believe that the FED is all about Socialism you have no grasp of the concept of Socialism whatsoever. You would be well served to first consult a dictionary. 🙂

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “If you believe that the FED is all about Socialism you have no grasp of the concept of Socialism whatsoever. You would be well served to first consult a dictionary.”

                  Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

                  #5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

                  We call this the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

                  One of the planks of Communism is a “Central Bank.”

                  LOL.

                  And yet you say I “have no grasp of the concept of Socialism whatsoever.”

                  Right, jackass!

                • Billy Idol

                  I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!

              • Paranoid

                Kid if they want to isolate NYC and Bomb it I’ll help them. The Eastern cites where they might do this are hotbeds of liberal stupidity anyway so if they put them in FEMA camps it’s a gain

                • durango kidd

                  Paranoid: My point EXACTLY! “First they came for the Jews and I said nothing …” 🙂

                • lastmanstanding

                  They have only needed these libs “for their vote”.

                  Now that votes don’t matter, their useful/lessness does matter…they won’t produce for the cause so they will be sacrificed. Sacrificed is as kind as I can be.

                  Look at the history of collectivism/communism…it never ends well for 10′ of millions of people. Those that support the beast in hopes of getting to the top “get it” first.

              • nightshiftsucks

                Yeah so every person in the Military is going to go along with this ? Yeah right.

                • lastmanstanding

                  See Dave Hodges article this morning at thecommonsenseshow.

                  More compelling evidence for the open-minded.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: God has given mankind Free Will and the power (within his prescribed limits)to dominate and shape OUR world into the the world that WE want through economics, politics, education, science, and art; based upon OUR ideal. In America, that ideal is personal liberty, self determination, and self realization

                  Its OUR choice to build the world WE want based upon that ideal. That is why life is plastic. That is why WE are required to put OUR stamp upon it. To do nothing is to ignore OUR birthright as children of God, and OUR heritage as Americans.

                  Politics is the responsibility of FREE men and women. If WE will not engage OUR employees to demand OUR ideal, then WE deserve what WE get. And that is why WE are, where WE are at, in this country.

                  Engage your employees or be enslaved by them, one rule, regulation, or strip search at a time. 🙂

                • Billy Idol

                  LMS

                  The appeaser feeds the tiger in hopes of being eaten last–Winston Churchill

                  I would add that the appeaser gets eaten, nonetheless

              • yourmotherwaswrong

                The durango kidd says:

                “Life is plastic. So is politics.”

                So why do you say… “Engage.”

                LMFAO!!!

                Why do you encourage voting in a controlled, manipulated system?

                Why DK?

                Oh… I know why!

                • braveheart

                  DK, I think you totally missed my point in #2885002. WHY WERE SOME KNOWN COMMUNIST THUGS FROM RUSSIA AND THE FORMER EAST GERMANY, PEOPLE WHO WERE KNOWN TO HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS, HIRED BY THE US GOVERNMENT TO SET UP A US GOVERNMENT AGENCY? We have set up numerous federal agencies in the past without any foreign help. Why was it different with the Dept. of Homeland Security? And, no, I don’t accept an “American Gestapo” being a necessary evil. We have numerous evils now that are unnecessary. DK, I’m sorry, nothing personal against you, but we have to agree to disagree on this one. even if DHS is totally incompetent, I don’t trust them any further than I could throw them. MOLON LABE braveheart

                • braveheart

                  YMWW, I know we’ve had a few differences on here in the past. I’m offering you an apology for those differences. You were right and I was wrong about DK. We also agree that the system is hopeless and has to fall. I believe we need to clean house and start over again from scratch. I don’t see any other way. DK lives in a fantasy world concerning the system. It’s not even worth saving. braveheart

                • Walt Kowalski

                  DK’s true colors are finally starting to show.

                  Give a guy enough rope and eventually, he’ll hang himself with it.

                  Now you folks understand why I am so critical of his posts. I’ve seen through this guy for the establishment hack that he is.

                  At BEST he is a neo-con of the Karl Rove/William Krystol/Dick Cheney variety.

                  Don’t be swayed by his rhetoric. It’s just bovine scat with a shine on it.

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: take a look in the mirror. You have grown up to be a crotchety, grumpy old man.

                  I hope my true colors are showing: I promise that they are red, white, and blue. I believe in America. I do not believe in the New World Order who has stolen OUR economy and shipped the opportunity that was once American to another nation to make obscene profits exploiting cheap labor and manipulated currencies under the euphemism of FREE TRADE.

                  Therefore I cannot be compared to Cheney, Krystol, and Rove who promote and extol these policies. Nice try! 🙂

                • Walt Kowalski

                  “Life is plastic. So is politics”

                  In other words, Everything is relevant, there are no absolutes.

                  It’s one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in.

                  Because for many (like Durango Kid, pragmatism is the only absolute. The end justifies the means.

                  It’s the same philosophy that tries to convince us that the Constitution is a “living document”.

                  DK says I’m old and crotchety.

                  One of the positive aspects of advancing years is that you don’t get fooled by the snake-oil salesmen that try to pass themselves off as sophisticated and smart. And you don’t have to consume the bovine scat to recognize it for what it is…..and reject it.

                  DK is just another member of the corp…..a cog in the wheel….part of the very system that is destroying us.

                  Don’t be deceived by his nonsense.

                • yourmotherwaswrong

                  @braveheart

                  I don’t know what the durango kidds’ trip is, but he certainly isn’t one of us!

                  He’s a Fascist.

                  Anyone supporting the existence of a private banking cartel working in league with the State, IS a FASCIST.

                  Period!!!

                • durango kidd

                  Yo Mama: I support a central bank to facilitate commerce in a sophisticated financial environment. I do not support private control of OUR banking system by the Gangster Banksters.

                  Central banking ought to be a government function with direct oversight by the people. After all, its OUR money the FED is using.

                  Please do not misrepresent my position if you want to have an honest debate. 🙂

                • durango kidd

                  Braveheart: I have no idea who set up DHS anymore than I know who wrote NDAA, the Patriot Act, or O’bummer Care.

                  I do know that these pieces of legislation are unconstitutional, ought to be scrapped, and the initiators imprisoned. It is precisely why I say that Americans must engage their employees.

                  CIA has been a rogue organization within the federal government since its inception; and has been running drugs into the inner cities for decades; either creating or contributing to the problems there, and OUR cities are a mess.

                  Civilian control and oversight of the CIA, DIA, and others is a good idea and the most important function of DHS. Someone must collect and analyze all of the intel in one place.

                  Obviously I am no fan of the TSA, but some monitoring of OUR airports is also necessary. The morons and buffoons hired by TSA are not the answer.

                  Bottom line, if Americans will not organize and demand their constitutional rights, then every office and agency of Federal and State will be used to corral US.

                  Engage! 🙂

      • Shooter

        I agree that it’s baloney. DHS or whoever does not have the numbers to do this and also there will be mass defections from any force that takes on the American people.

        • Billy Idol

          All government employees are ABOVE REPROACH. Pure as the driven snow. Pillars of decency. Ethical bedrock,.

          Excuse me, I lost my mind there, just for a moment.

        • John W.

          One block or neighborhood at a time. Slower but it can be done with twenty people. Roadblocks that randomly remove people whose names show up on registered weapon data bases. The computer age has made control of people so much easier as there is no hiding in the background noise. It would be far better to clean house in the Senate and House and avoid this trauma.

      • Smokey

        No kidding. This scenario is absolutely not going to happen.

        If, for some reason, the Gov’t began doing this, it would last about 2 days before they had a problem they were unable to handle.

        • tbone

          all this talk about this control can not be done at the point of a gun because it would take too many troops is nonsense. All they have to do is turn off the water and electric and block the food trucks coming in and in three days most of the people would be trying to buy a seat on the bus to the camp.

          • lastmanstanding

            I hope your right tbone…precious metals nationwide will be saved for the finale.

          • Nightshiftsucks

            Really,so some grunt who is going to force the water plant offline and screw his relatives will just go along with this ? Yeah right

        • azprepper

          First and foremost I agree with you guys. Mass round up is impossible. But everyone of you thinks through a “good person” filter. Let me explain. They don’t need to round up whole cities and go door to door. It’s called a massive false flag event. For example….EMP over the country so that it wipes out our power. After one year 90% of the population is dead. The left over 30 million maybe will be peppers and a mix of lucky people. That’s when they drone strike and bring in outside forces to control. You have to put yourself in there shoes and try and think like them. Let us fight ourselves killing each other off for food and water or fill in the blank…..then they take us out.

          • HisArmsWide

            I’d argue that the 90% of the 10% left would in general be the ones most able to do _anything_ it takes to survive including preying on the other survivors. Those that are only held in check now by laws and fear of breaking those laws. The ones who’s preparations consist of ‘stacking it high and deep’.

            Read the reports of those that have survived regional and country level collapses in the last few decades and what life was like. And of their loss of humanity and morals and any sense of right and wrong when it came down to surviving or dying. What they did to feed and protect their children and the gangs they were victims of in trying to do so.

            One way to survive a collapse is through hard work, growing your own food, raising your own animals, being self sufficient. Very very hard work, I speak from experience.

            Another way to survive a collapse is easy. Get a gun and have the ability to put post in notch and put dot in the back of survivor hoeing his garden.

            Given current the majority of American culture in these are ‘wonderful modern times’ which route do you think most people are going to go?

            Yes we can all aim to be the most expensive target we can be. But we’re outnumbered 97 to 1.

            You don’t get to make one mistaken when you’re outnumbered 97 to 1. One mistake and you lose. They on the other hand, they get to make 96 mistakes and and you still lose.

            Don’t assume anything you’re doing now is a guarentee you’re set. That your remote location or skills at raising food or punching holes in things is going to make you one of the lottrery winners. All that does is buy you a few more tickets.

            But then, that’s a few more tickets than most, so don’t despair. But also don’t relax. Keep planning, preparing, training, cross training, increasing your networks.

        • John W.

          Smokey,
          They rammed a health care bill through which promises to withhold healthcare from the elderly and very sick with not a peep from the populace. They seated a president who we still do not know who he really is and you think they will have a hard time getting people to do whatever they are told? Pretty dense are you not?

      • apache54

        At some point they will try to round up what they consider to be people who are against them. WHO and how many of them there will be is what the true question is? just like how many citizens will be able to band together to stop is another question. it is so easy to make claims and predictions, the HARD part is what REALLY will happen.
        may we all band together to throw the scum out and bring our great country back on its feet!!!

      • Texldp

        I agree with you TnAndy, this has become a religion to many and it’s about selling fear and product. The politicians try and scare us to believe we have to give up out rights to catch the terrorist and this group tells us the government is going to knock down our doors, take our children, and put us in labor camps. It’s not going to happen. To live in constant fear is no way to live. None of us none when our last day on earth is. Read your Bible, love your family, and help others. If any of this crap happens to come about, you are not going to stop it but I would not lose any sleep over it.

      • Old Gringo

        You Know….. I’m a Patriot…. I think Dave needs to lighten up. We’re NOT being herded into concentration camps. We’re NOT being executed next to slit trenches.
        Take a freakin’ breath!

        • Them Guys

          Daves also wrong that hitlers ideas came from usa vs indians….No….Where hitler Did learn ideas from are the very same kommies that first Built aushwitz camp. That would be russian and polish bolshevik jewish kommies. They are who built and First Used aushwitz to round up white christians into and exterminate them. That was about 20-25 years before nazis came to power in germany.

          It never ceases to amaze how most every writer is still so fearfull of mentioning these actual factual Truths that today are so easy to find and Verify.

          Then due to Fear of mentioning that it WAS Kommies, and that it Was and Still Is Jewish-Kommies or Jewdeo-communisim, they instead continue the same worn out terms like all the Other writers keep repeating Falsly.

          Although I Must admit this is the very first time I ever read that hitlers ideas came from what was done with/to american Indians!!….A New concept indeed! Yet still a falsehood same as the many others we keep hearing of.

          I will say it Again…IT’S the COMMIES! and it was Always the Commies and its Still the Kommies…

          In Fact “IF” there never were any jewdeo kommie bolsheviks doing a takeover of Russia in 1918…Then there Never would have been russian and polish jewish bolsheviks flooding into Germany.

          And if no jewish bolshevik russian and polish kommies flooded into germany in the 1920’s era…

          Then there Never would have been ANY reasons or Causes for any Nazi party nor a hitler to arise to power as a Solution, to thwart and fight Against communisim’s attempted takeover of eventually ALL of europe.

          The jewdeo commies did russia First mainly due to Thats where aprox 8 million jews lived…AND because of its mass size, and tons of oil and resources.

          Germany was targeted 2nd for takeover due to its vast numbers of very smart inventors, and overall whiteman ingenuity etc and manufactureing abilities similar to usa’s.

          Because “IF” Jewdeo commie bolshevisim could have conquered Both Russia And Germany…Then they could overtake the entire rest of Europe like a simple piece of Cake…Once jewdeo commies had a combined russian land mass and resources, Plus Germanys manufatureing ability and its whiteman inventions abilities etc…The entire rest of europe would have fallen like a ton of Bricks quickly.

          Then they would be able to move against usa and our side of the worlds nations….

          So all in all its real good that germany arose(Like america needs to today) to Halt and Fight off jewdeo communist bolshevisim….Europe should Thank germany!

          But that won’t occure untill they as well as most usa folks trash their usual MSM-Hollywood versions of Past History events such as WWI and WWII.

          Too bad we still see today so many folks clinging to their false histories as taught in public schools and by jewish run hollywood, whom has a vested intrest in continueing such blatent false history or nonsense such as “Hitler learned his ideas from usa’s Indians treatment”!!!…Again all together folks…

          “It’s The Jewdeo Commie Bolsheviks Stupid”! and always will be untill somebody in some nation Finally halts kommies for good.(zionists=commie jewish same as bolshevik talmudics/kommie=zionists=talmudics=bolsheviks)

          Most folks has zero problems believing communisim is evil and bad and wrong…But they seem to have Huge troubles admitting that Yes it is and was a jewish invention, perpetrated BY, and to benift, jews.

          Thats akin to folks agreeing in africa there existed caniballisim…BUT…The same folks refuse to ever admit that Yes them african canibals were Blacks or negroes!

          It Is what it Is/was, and Thats jewish communisim period.
          ———————————————————-

          HERES PROOF: NSA Head Recieves His Daily Orders From Jewish sources…

          February 8, 2009, speaking at the at 45th Munich Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof, National Security Advisor Major General James Jones, told those in attendance: “As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.”..NOTE: Kissinger and Berger(sandy da burgler stole 9/11 doc’s and Burned them per klinton ordered it) Both Kissenger and Berger are jewish in extremely high offical levels.

          Still in Doubt of it?

          July, 2009, in a speech at the opening of the new CFR headquarters in Washington D.C., just across the street from the State Department, Hillary acknowledged the fact hat she is a CFR puppet when she admitted that from then on, “I won’t need that far to go to be told how we should be doing and what we should think about the future.”

          CHECK out How Many of the aprox 4000-CFR members are jewish….Do not be shocked to find a likley 75+% are.

          And ALL CFR membership come from MSM-newspapers, TV-Hollywood-Fed Govnt galore- and as Just admited to by Both Hillery aka head of usa state dept a Cabinet apointed official just below usa Prez…And by a Former NSA-Head Apointed Offical..They Both get Their daily Marching orders from Heads of CFR! Mainly Jewish heads.

          Do You Get it Yet?

          • aljamo

            Them Guys…. I enjoy your posts. You come accross as truthful and informative on historical events concerning fakes and reality. I read the other side, but your delivery makes better sense to me.

            • Sigi

              You know, that’s what all his sycophants say. Same wording in fact. That is why I call you “the sock puppet brigade,” because you sound like the same guy trying to give himself kudos. Maybe I am wrong and you’re just a bunch of brainwashed evil sheeple. Either way, you are pathetic.

              • Them Guys

                Aljamo: Thanks! and Ignore SIGI as I several times Posted proof-DNA-John Hopkins Inst and Hebrew Univ bio dna labs Evidence that 98% of them jews sigi ‘worships” are really KHAZRAS!!…Esuas Edomites! Mixed with HUNNS! aka Barbarians!,,,,Plus I also posted actual biblical verses that state new covenant replaced old covenant and that christians are who gets the promiced abrahamic Blessings!

                So since I posted Proof solid espeically that DNA proof jews=Khazars….Sigi has gone balistic trying to convince himself to keep believing his falshoods as taught prior by his phony pastors….Yes its tough to admit when they been wrong all that time eh. Sigi is as yet unable to admit it so like others he instead does Personal attacks at me!…Typical Lib alinsky tactics…Oh and alinsky also was a tribal khazar fake jew…A TRUE Kommie jew though!

                Ironic how folks like sigi make demands for proof etc…Untill its given to them!….Then they go hide behind a jew shadow rather than reesarch that proof they demanded.

          • John W.

            The cold war never really ended. They just changed tactics. looks like they are working. I used to laugh at Michael Reagan every time he claimed his dad had won the cold war. He merely won one stage of it. The war is still going and some of the most dedicated commies are right here in River City ensconced in high places in govt.,media and the schools. This has a long way to go and being as most Americans are dumb as hammers things do not look good for us.

      • DaisyK

        Be careful. If you click on some of the links in this article, a website named WhiteHouse.gov will try to put a cookie on your computer.

        • Nimrod Hunter

          Download the Tor Bundle and install it. Use a VPN tunnel terminating in a neutral country. Use a secure e-mail service. Take reasonable precautions.

          Read Pamela Jones’ swan-song letter to Groklaw users at:

          http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175.

          • ENFP

            Or, delete your cookies

            • jerrytbg

              ccleaner…every other page…

      • Rubber room

        I call bullshit. Not baloney.

      • Frank

        ah baloney indeed, sir! I shan’t agree with you but I defend your right to baloney.

    2. Agent Provocetour

      Bring IT!

      • Genius

        Iv’e been trying to tell people this for years (since the ndaa was rolled out). Typical resposes looking at me like I had 2 heads or just changing the subject. About all I can think of to do is secure your house as much as possible. Have driveway alerts posted at all entrances to your property. Strategically place furniture (bookcases, dressers, etc.) to protect you in a firefight. Have at least one exit from inside to a safe room or attic hideout. Know your area and ALL possible escape routes. Have some mylar space blankets with 1 side glued to fabric that is close in color to your local terrain to hide your signature from IR or flir detection. Use smoke to mask your getaway if need be. Use time delayed fireworks (cigarette with hole in the side and fuse inserted) to redirect attention. Dig out a small shelter with a camoflauged lid away from your property to hide in temporarily. Hide in culvert pipes or under bridges. Install a video camera in front and back of your property with the monitor next to your bed so you can see whats going on if one of the driveway alerts goes off. Put bars across all doors to make kicking them in very difficult. Make a tunnel under your house with a hidden door to the inside. Use one of these to make them shit theyre pants.. http://burglarbomb.com/ 🙂

        • Night breaker

          Genius,
          EXACTLY!
          if this is going to go down be alert keep a light weight Go Bag Prepacked. E and E out to a hidden Rally point . not being there when they come is your best chance. one thing in our favor this will not go down un noticed there will be A LOT of noise giving adequite warning.
          Everthing that Genius is correct .
          1. Slow them down / distract Obstacles smoke etc.
          2. Always have Multiple Escape Routes for Emergency High Speed Eggress.
          3. prepare a hidden Hide for temporary concealment , Spider Hole, Dug out Etc away from BIL
          4. RUN LIKE ALL HELL IS AFTER YOU . STOP AT INTERVALS LISTEN BEFORE MOVING AGAIN ! DO NOT RUN IN A PREDICTABLE DIRECTION , MOST LIKELY DOGS WILL NOT BE USED UNLEASHED IN THE INITAL PHASE BECAUSE OF NOISE AND CONFUSION. LEAVE FALSE TRAILS AFTER REACHING A SEMI SAFE DISTANCE.

          MAKE SURE YOUR BUG OUT / E&E IS LIGHT MOBILITY IS THE KEY TO LIFE.
          The last post I discussed the possibility of a High Mobility Bugout Bag.
          Your Bug out bag is a temporary life support for a limited time under Extreme circumstances.
          You can not realistically carry enough for completed self suffiency in the woods for an unlimited time.

          A. The basics for life support , Water , Shelter , Food.
          B. mobility and concealment.
          C. Personal protection , MINIMUM LARGE CALIBER RELIABLE HANDGUN ( .357 to .45)
          ( you can pick up a 9mm later with the above tools ) Carbine Style Rifle , M4 / M1A CQB
          With a rifle you do not have the concealability if you try to later blend in after the action you will most likely have to find a way to catch it safely storing it rolled up in your sleeping bag may not work , this is where folding stocks have an advantage.
          D. Smaller 3 day packs do not attract as much attention as a full size molle ruck on your back.
          Think modular.

          I use multiple packs ranging from a small Maxpedition Falcon II to a Eberlstock Terminator pack (winter heavy dooms daypack) each can be configured for season and AO compatibility.
          Each individuals pack will be different based on AO and climatic differences . i.e. Kula’s pack will be vastly different than say someone who lives in Montana or Idaho for obvious reasons.

          my AO is an eastern hardwood forest / sandy pine barrens with adequite fresh water ( any vets here trained at Fort Dix? You know the area) water is not a problem a filter can mitigate carry extra water at 8# gallon)

          each of my packs have all items in separate modular stuff sacks and dry bags that can be moved from bag to bag with ease and are clearly identified. these are used in conjunction with a molle FLV or plate carrier ( Infidel Body Armor III plates) For my tier one fighting load.

          Pack Setups:
          Maxpedition Vulture 2 with 2 flashbang holders , small radio pouch , 9×6 tactile pocket for thermal poncho ( Max Velocity’s web site for further info) (2) 5×12 nalgene bottle holders each side, ( 2 ) m1a mag pouches on tactile pocket , Kifaru regulator stuff sack ( Heavy Duty for full MSS system) Concealment hand gun holster.
          This is my light weight winter bag. load out weight w/ food gear 32.5 to 36.2 lbs

          Maxpedition Xantha Pack with 9×6 tactile pocket , Triad combat admin pouch, F. I.G.H.T. PFAK,
          Kifaru regulator stuff sack ( MSS intermediate bag with bivy) . . Various grim lock / carabiners for securing GHILLE suit. Spring fall load out bag. 28 to 35 lbs depending on ammunition load.

          Maxpedition Falcon II with medium tactile pocket , small tactile pocket , anemone pocket , (2) single sheaths , (2) 5″ flashlight sheaths (2) 4″x10″ bottle holders, Snug Pack Jungle bag (UK manufactured Version) kifaru Woobie with small regulator stuff sack. concealment handgun holster. Summer , Escape and Evade Bag 20 to 29 lbs depending on ammunition load.

          Elberstock Terminator , standard load out no addition acessories except long gun sheath set up as a long duration 14 day load out not really considered a light weight pack . But fits close to the body and is acceptable for mobility . 45 to 50 lbs depending on food / ammo load.

          Weight is kept down by only taking used and necessary items , NO SNIVEL GEAR , warm sleep gear is a must in winter do not skip here this is necessary to remain functional and alert.
          I use mostly item that have multiple uses and try to obtain as many items as I can find / afford in titanium for weigth reduction. A heavy pack will require more calories of food to haul and will slow you down something you do not need.

          PART 2 will include what goes into each pack to achieve a lightweight load out.
          As per requests I plan to continue to post useful information that can be directly applied for immediate use to this forum take what information provided for discussion in reverent SHTF plan blogs to further your survivabilty .

          remember you are the resistance.

          RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

          PREPARE NOW WHILE YOU CAN NOT LATER WHEN YOUR 80 lbs UNDERWEIGTH AND BEING LOADED INTO BOXCARS!

          III%

          Semper Fi 8541

          • Night breaker

            Oh no my par 2 post got nuked Mack see if you can find it it took me 2 hours to write it had all the weights and systems used for above with discriptions it will take hours to redo!
            ARGGG!
            Semper Fi 8541

            • Night breaker

              Part 2 suggested contents for a light weight go bag for Evasion and Escape.

              As described in part one the ability to move rapidly is determined by the weight you must carry into the field. I am an advocate of light weight systems that do not deter mobility and allow rapid emergency Eggress. The advantages of a lighter pack are many less calories expended healing the minimum amount of gear to lower visibility profile. In part 2 I will describe what works for me with each pack system and the weight of each element .

              modular systems are the most efficent alowing items to be grouped by use and can be easily transferred as required by season into other packs. A short description of items follows.

              I general use 3 light weight packs , by only using the items that have multiple uses in the field
              And keeping weight down by extensive use of titanium gear you can be suprised at the final outcome. The best hard use and feature rich small packs that I have found are produced by Maxpedition.

              General Core System

              WATER:
              Katadyne micro filter 8 oz Falcon 2 E&E bag
              katadyne pocket filter 20 oz Xantha , Vulture 2 Pack , Eberlstock terminator pack
              Vargo titanium water bottle (2) 4.6 oz / 9.2 oz total all bags
              Snow peak large pot titanium nested in water bottles 3.5 oz all bags
              Snow peak it cup 450 nested in bottles 1.9 oz all bags
              Micro pure tablets
              Steri pen 2.3 oz with solar charger 7.7 oz

              SHELTER:
              Snug pack jungle hammock 1.75 lbs Falcon 2 bag
              Snugpack allweather shelter tarp with titanium tent pins 2.1 lbs Falcon 2 bag
              Snug pack jungle bag UK Manufactured Version 32 degree rating 1.8 lbs with silnyl bivi Falcon 2 bag
              kifaru Woobie 1.4 lbs interchangeable with jungle bag 40 degree rating Falcon 2 / Xantha
              Hennessy hammock expedition assy. 3lbs 2 oz Xantha / vulture 2 packs
              Super shelter insulation for Hennessy hammock 1 lb Xantha / vulture 2 pack.

              MSS 4 piece system -40 degree sleeping bag in Kifaru Large Regulator stuff sack 11 lbs Vulture 2 / Eberlstock terminator
              MSS intermediate bag 10 degree with Goretex bivy in Kifaru regulator med stuf sack 8 lbs Xantha pack
              kifaru paratarp with annex and para stove 10 lbs Eberlstock terminator / vulture 2 packs

              FOOD
              Light weight freeze dried I.e. mountain house etc, millennium bars 4 day 3000 calories 10 lb maximum
              Alternate : Lipton side dishes , quick rice , Mylar packed spam , tuna , etc, cliff bars 10 # max.
              Average 2 lbs of food per day only pack caloric high density foods . Remember the weight to calorie ratio source light weight hiking web sites for further information.

              MODULAR ITEMS
              Survival kits
              Escape and evade tactical survival kit EETMS by survival metrics Xantha , Vulture 2 , Eberlstock terminator
              EESE pocket survival kit 12.8 oz falcon 2 pack
              EESE Azula mini E&E kit with addition nano ferrocerium rod and NATO button compass
              All packs or in BDU pocket 4 oz

              Fire kits all bags
              NATO matches in water proof match case
              Vargo titanium wood stove 4.1 oz
              Esbit pocket stove with 6 fuel tablets covert water boiling no smoke 6.5 oz
              Fire piston titanium 1.0 oz

              PFAK blow out kit standard 3.0 oz with cat tourniquet. Additional items in E&E survival kit

              My falcon 2 bag is my EDC /get home bag and default E&E bag because I live in a unfriendly Firearm state for general use as a get home bag handguns are replaced with edged weaponss in the concealment slot on the bag with either a EK ps-4 knife 8.6 oz or a EESE-4 8 oz. handguns are replaced and removed daily when not transporting to work. Ammunition is stored in MTM case gard ammo wallets in my case .357 and .22 these are very versatile for organizing.
              You AO and your selections of self defense items are your personal choice and are highly selective per individual.

              Optional :
              Other items are the radio I selected Yaesu VX-8DR for commo 8 oz with batteries
              Goal zero guide 10 adventure kit solar charger 2 lb
              PVS 14 gen 3 litton pinnacle tube 14 oz
              Water proof battery storage holders
              Photon Micro lights the real ones not Chicom knock offs.
              thermal Poncho ( see Max Velocities web site for further information)

              Other bags are kept in ready to go conditions according to season where possible fleece , socks or other clothing items are stored in dry bags and small water proof stuff sacks .

              Tip ACU cammo that the army is replacing can be found as a bargain just remember to get the real us issue that is IR compliant . It works well in a pine forest and sand environment.
              All items packs etc are to be used in conjunction with a FLV vest and or Plate carrier by Infidel body armor level 3 plates

              feel free to use this information to your advantage to enhance your survivabilty.
              Please discuss in the appropriate forums to further the knowledge required to survive the coming festivities .

              Be remembered by not being a victim of a uniquely American Shoah. Defy TPTB by living.

              remember you are the resistance .

              RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

              III %

              Semper Fi 8541

              Part 3 will continue on what to do with the items described In an emphasis on objective operational TTP’S.
              After spending my morning and afternoon first draft of this crashed and I lost it had to retype it .,
              If I do not post before Christmas every one here have a Very Joyous Christmas and a Happy New Year.

              • PuppyPrepper

                Great stuff, NB! I have a Vulture 2 myself that I lug in and out of work every day – if only I could keep the contents from reproducing like rabbits – it just keeps getting heavier and heavier. Every time I go through it I wonder “what the heck made me put THAT in here?” Better open her up and re-evaluate everything again. . . .

              • Chilton

                Great list and glad you are also conscious about weight. Hiked a few hundred miles this summer for fun and also test out my systems.

                Check out the Sawyer Mini water filter. 2 oz. Rated for 100,000 gallons. The older larger model got backpacking magazine product of the year last year. This is the updated smaller one that just came out. I’ve used it and love it. Lighter and more compact than the Katadyne micro filter 8 oz. I’ve bought several for friends this Christmas. Only $20 on Amazon and sometimes they have lightening sales where its $15 each. Must have for everyones kit / bug out bag.

            • Nimrod Hunter

              Night Breaker,
              When you write a “masterpiece”, save it to a text file first. Then copy and paste it into the comment window.

          • Kulafarmer

            I like the Eberlstock pacs, have a J1 and a Blue widow, also the sip on duffles for them, both in hide open western slope, matches my camo, can put a LOT of stuff in these packs, too much for me to carry for sure, my REPR will fit in the scabbard but not with the mag, usually slide my 930 in the scabbard and sling the REPR, still comfortable with about 35-40# and can still move pretty well, can go heavier but,,,,
            Real nice for hunting, i usually debone and pack out just meat, Axis deer and pigs or ocasionally goats, all are smaller game animals so easy to pack,, meat bags with quarters and loins fit nice in the center section of both the J1 and the Blue widow.

            • PO'd Patriot

              Kulafarmer, +1 on the Ebererlstock scabbards. Got one for the 20 in. upper REPR with Molle and a smaller one for the 16 in. upper depending on which one is on deck.

              • Kulafarmer

                How do you like the 16″ upper? Accuracy compared to the 20?
                For the price of just the upper i almost want to just get a complete rifle with the 16,

          • Genius

            Thanks Nightbreaker and Nimrod, Great detailed expansion on escape and evasion! Got a backhoe I can borrow? 🙂

            • Night breaker

              No genius you have to do it the old fashion way by hand consider it good excercise!
              Just find a good location dig a little at a time make sure it is on the high ground and in a good drainage area . Place you dirt on a tarp for removal from the area .
              BE CAREFUL TO MINIMALLY DISTURB THE SURROUNDING AREA .
              Do not get to attached to your bolt hole it is only to be used Temporarly .
              In part 3 I will go into possible scenario’s of E and E .
              Until then Have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR

              III%

              Semper Fi 8541

        • .02

          Put in an auto sprinkler system controlled manually with gas and diesel mixture and light em up.

          • Genius

            I like your thinking .02 🙂 I just thought of something, If they use dogs to track you just leave some jerkey salted with nasties (sodium chlorate, etc.) along the path. Bye bye fido lol.

            • PuppyPrepper

              Gasp!!

        • .02

          Oh look kids, human candles–purdy.

      • Agent Provocetour

        This government couldn’t find their own ASS with both hands! Oh, they might TRY this but it will end very badly for them

    3. Old Vet

      Do as they will. I know that many on their side will die, very many.

      It’s your life–make it count!

      • Hunter

        OV-

        ..and if I may add, sir!

        To all:

        –YOU ARE, WHAT YOU DO, WHEN IT COUNTS!!!!!!!!!!

      • braveheart

        Old Vet, I’m with you. let them come to my place for whatever reason and we’ll see who is standing when the smoke clears. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • Dental Hijack

        Old Vet, it could not have been put more simply or with more impact…thank you.

        All this asinine talk of moving, having your friends hide you (so they get killed for helping you), dreaming of Norway etc…give me a freakin’ break.

        Make your mind up NOW that your life is not going to slip away from you in a camp that psychotic monsters set up to control all of human life. If you’re going to die, don’t die from dysentery or starvation. Die after taking out one/ten/one hundred of them, whatever God grants you to do.

        MAKE YOUR LIFE COUNT. IF ENOUGH AMERICANS DO THIS, IT IS GAME OVER FOR THESE BASTARDS.

        • .02

          CHARGE!!

    4. me

      The Architect of Destruction

      By Maureen Scott
      Barack Obama appears to be a tormented man filled with resentment, anger, and disdain for anyone of an opinion or view other than his. He acts in the most hateful, spiteful, malevolent, vindictive ways in order to manipulate and maintain power and control over others. Perhaps, because, as a child, he grew up harboring an abiding bitterness toward the U.S. that was instilled in him by his family and mentors…it seems to have never left him.

      It is not the color of his skin that is a problem in America .

      Rather it is the blackness that fills his soul and the hollowness in his heart where there should be abiding pride and love for this country.

      Think: Have we ever heard Obama speak lovingly of the U.S. or its people, with deep appreciation and genuine respect for our history, our customs, our sufferings and our blessings? Has he ever revealed that, like most patriotic Americans, he gets “goose bumps” when a band plays “The Star Spangled Banner,” or sheds a tear when he hears a beautiful rendition of ” America the Beautiful?” Does his heart burst with pride when millions of American flags wave on a National holiday – or someone plays “taps” on a trumpet? Has he ever shared the admiration of the military, as we as lovers of those who keep us free, feel when soldiers march by? It is doubtful because Obama did not grow up sharing our experiences or our values. He did not sit at the knee of a Grandfather or Uncle who showed us his medals and told us about the bravery of his fellow troops as they tramped through foreign lands to keep us free. He didn’t have grandparents who told stories of suffering and then coming to America, penniless, and the opportunities they had for building a business and life for their children.

      Away from this country as a young child, Obama didn’t delight in being part of America and its greatness. He wasn’t singing our patriotic songs in kindergarten, or standing on the roadside for a holiday parade and eating a hot dog, or lighting sparklers around a campfire on July 4th as fireworks exploded over head, or placing flags on the grave sites of fallen and beloved American heroes.

      Rather he was separated from all of these experiences and doesn’t really understand us and what it means to be an American. He is void of the basic emotions that most feel regarding this country and insensitive to the instinctive pride we have in our national heritage. His opinions were formed by those who either envied us or wanted him to devalue the United States and the traditions and patriotism that unites us.

      He has never given a speech that is filled with calm, reassuring, complimentary, heartfelt statements about all the people in the U.S. Or one that inspires us to be better and grateful and proud that in a short time our country became a leader, and a protector of many. Quite the contrary, his speeches always degenerate into mocking, ridiculing tirades as he faults our achievements as well as any critics or opposition for the sake of a laugh, or to bolster his ego. He uses his Office to threaten and create fear while demeaning and degrading any American who opposes his policies and actions. A secure leader, who has noble self-esteem and not false confidence, refrains from showing such dread of critics and displaying a cocky, haughty attitude.

      Mostly, his time seems to be spent causing dissension, unrest, and anxiety among the people of America, rather than uniting us (even though he was presented to us as the “Great Uniter”). He creates chaos for the sake of keeping people separated, envious, aggrieved and ready to argue. Under his leadership Americans have been kept on edge, rather than in a state of comfort and security. He incites people to be aggressive toward, and disrespectful of, those of differing opinions. And through such behavior, Obama has lowered the standards for self-control and mature restraint to the level of street-fighting gangs, when he should be raising the bar for people to strive toward becoming more considerate, tolerant, self-disciplined, self-sustaining, and self-assured.

      Not a day goes by that he is not attempting to defy our laws, remove our rights, over-ride established procedures, install controversial appointees, enact divisive mandates, and assert a dictatorial form of power.

      • Never has there been a leader of this great land who used such tactics to harm and hurt the people and this country.

      • Never have we had a President who spoke with a caustic, evil tongue against the citizenry rather than present himself as a soothing, calming and trustworthy force.

      • Never, in this country, have we experienced how much stress one man can cause a nation of people – on a daily basis!

      Obama has promoted the degeneration of peace, civility, and quality of cooperation between us. He thrives on tearing us down, rather than building us up. He is the Architect of the decline of America , and the epitome of a Demagogue.

      © Maureen Scott

      • KY Mom

        Cutting back during these tough economic times…

        Apparently Barack Obama was not talking about himself when he told the American people the following…

        “If you’re a family trying to cut back, you might skip going out to dinner, or you might put off a vacation.”
        Barack Obama

        The Obama family and their dog left Washington yesterday for their $4 million 17-day holiday vacation in Hawaii.

        http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaiian-holiday-first-family-and-dog-bo-to-leave-cold-dc-for-sunny-4-million-vacation/123

        • gwynmarilyn

          Are you checking on Nuclear problem Of the ocean around Hawaii. It might not be such a great place for anyone.

        • Shooter

          It cost a lot more that 4 million for them to go to Hawaii! Air Force 1 cost about $300,000 an hour to fly. That’s at least a 7 hour flight from dc one way.
          Air Force 2 also will make the trip in case Air Force 1 breaks down then the president can keep his schedule.
          2 C-17’s will also fly out the presidents cars and ambulance.
          Many secret service agents will fly to Hawaii on commercial airlines and stay in hotels and collect per diem. The per diem rate in Hawaii is around $100 a day just for food and $200 a day for hotel.
          The secret service agents will be paid a bunch of overtime because they will work 12 hour shifts.
          The US government may also pay the overtime that the local police work to support the presidents protection.
          The cost of his trip is probably closer to 15 to 20 million!

      • no justice

        And think about this; he was elected TWICE for president, even as one Pennsylvania precinct in Philly had nineteen thousand votes for 0bama and NONE for Romney. No voting mistakes,if you can believe that. That tells something about the electorate. If you have a job with the government that entails action against the constitution, you should thread lightly.

        • PA farmer

          I was dumb founded by how he won in pa, but theres a lot of Union jobs here and they were all told to vote for the black guy, just like good sheep. I’ve lost a lot of friends over it. Their all brainwashed.

          • The Old Coach

            I was equally dumbfounded over how he “won” in Ohio. I live here. In 2008 there were plenty of O signs all over. In 2012 you saw almost none, and a lot of Romney signs where the O signs had been in 2008.

          • Roseman91

            I said 5 years ago, we are not ready for a black or woman president.
            Lets see how the sheep do this time around.
            Then again the electoral college is legitimate, right? Lmao

          • Rich

            Hey PA Farmer!
            I’m in SWPA, and I can tell you this place is just filled with, what I like to call “disengenous white liberals” and many voted for this tool simply because they were guilted into it. Very sad situation to lose friends over it, but if that’s all it took to lose their frienship! Than it most likely wasn’t true friendship to begin with….just sayin:-)

        • JustMe

          “It is enough to say there was an election. Those who cast the ballots decide nothing. Those who count the ballots decide everything.”- Joseph Stalin

          • John Q. Public

            Worth remembering by those that still tout electioneering.

        • 1stworlder

          Well Mitt did say he would get them off welfare and into the workforce so maybe all the crack addicts in Philly did vote in unison.

        • phdinlogic

          Soros owned voting machines and great programming.

        • buttcrackofdoom

          if you think Obama’s an IDIOT, just wait ’til you see the people that VOTED FOR HIM!

        • jr23

          that’s what the dem pole watchers were doing while the rep pole watchers were locked out and had to get a judges order and the sheriff involved to get entrance to poles.
          the 08 had armed black panthers outside the poles
          neither incident was investigated by the justice dept but states requiring id to vote were taken to court

      • Jim Bob

        @Me, great piece by Maureen Scott. What needs to be brought into open where all can see is WHY all the media outlets are so desperate to cover up his lies, apologize for him every time he shits on the chess board, sell his bullshit as being ” good for all “, and continue to gleefully aid and abet his wanton destruction of America. I wouldn’t want to be chrissy the tingle leg Matthews when all of this comes to a head for resolution.

        • jerrytbg

          It’s cause they were all promised a seat in the bunker when the big rock comes 🙂

          The random sampling of DNA at ck points…tags for possible future collection.

          At least one seed bank in the arctic…ummm

          Don’t forget the classification of space rocks and such…

          They cover up all the lies because they know it’s all theater anyway…

        • eppe

          JB:
          me posted a great one, though some on this board thumbs down anytime they see names that they have disagreed with in the past. Just like Phil Robertson, we all have the freedom of speech (atleast for a while) and Scott was telling the truth as Phil was. As for the comment about the chessboard, here is a “quote” from Putin on our great leader…

          Putin Quote

          This has a ring of truth… Just consider it a “funny”

          Vladimir Putin allegedly said off the record:

          “Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon.
          The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and
          then struts around like it won the game.”

          • Jim Bob

            Truth is that’s where I got it eppe. Regarding Mr. Robertson, he handled the situation as it NEEDS to be handled. He made his apology and that’s all he’s going to say. He’s sticking to his principles and not going to go on a disastrous Paula Dean crying jag apology tour. It’s too bad for her that she didn’t realize that once the network and advertisers decided to turn tail and run, there was NO getting them to change their minds. She simply succeeded in humiliating herself multiple times to no avail, except for the satisfaction she gave to the libtards for continually demeaning herself

            I’m sensing a turning point being reached here finally, where average citizens have more than their share of political correctness. Look at Rush Limbaugh as an example. Whatever you think of the guy personally, like or hate him, when he says something that starts a libtard fire, he never backs down or apologizes for it. The most recent example as pointing out the new libtard poster girl Sandra Fluke as a cheap floozie who wants the public to foot the cost of her birth control pills. The left once again thought they had him on the ropes, advertisers were bailing on his show and he would finally be put off the air. Well, so much for that dream and Air America. After 2 weeks, { longer than the attention span of 99% of Americans} new advertisers joined the show and he came back bigger then ever. What the people want and need right now are people with a set of balls who’ll stand up to minority groups and the media with the truth and hold their ground regardless of how loud the liberal hissy fits become.

      • old geezer

        1000 thumbs up!

      • CJMartel

        What a piece! While it is properly critical of the actions of this individual, you presented the subject matter from an outsiders point of view, which lends great credence to these acts. I wish I could give you a hundred thumbs up, this is without a doubt the most eloquently written epistle regarding the policies, behaviors, and cost of the state of total corruption which we are now witnessing. I pray that this does not to turn out to prophetic, but I wouldn’t bet against it.

      • Tenet

        Dave Hodges might consider Maureen Dowd an evil fascist for speaking about patriotic songs and patriotic feelings when watching the Star-Spangled Banner being unfurled.

        Oh, wait. It’s okay when Americans do it. And as long as they also praise and obey Israel, of course.

        • The Old Coach

          Al Queda troll.

      • Sheepdog

        This thing was installed to divide so the PTB can conquer, a design to disguise their true intentions. But so would have Romney. Look at the “conservative” Paul Ryan, a traitor to limited government, John McShame a traitor to disabled veterans like himself.

        DC is a den of vipers and traitors, sell out whores who could care less about you or your family. You are a useless oxygen theif, taking resources better used elsewhere.

        I hope the military and vets see that the sights are fixed upon them. The PTB know who threaten them the most, they are the “domestic” enemy, the real enemy to fight. They are taking the offensive…

        People must awaken to the falacy of the left and right in american politics. There is only one way, their way. Voting will change nothing, nothing at all. We know what it will take to bring back the Republic and it sure isn’t the ballot box.

        The die is cast, there is something hidden yet felt by many of us here. It is evil and without mercy. Dark days lie in front of us, we will be tested, in mind, body and spirit.

        • buttcrackofdoom

          yeah sheepdawwg, it won’t be the ballotbox, it will be the BULLETBOX!…………….BTW.if evolution really works, how come mothers only have two hands?”
          ― Milton Berle

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Sheepdog:

          Thanks for your post. Shtf posters are great about asking question and searching for answers……

          I am going to start my post with a quote from the most VILE female in America; and sad to say, I believe the next POTUS; if the buffoon in there now does not declare martial law to stay on his golden throne:

          “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?”

          That the constitution is being shredded….why, for what reason, and by whom?

          That the Supreme Court Judges in our land are upholding laws that are destroying our nation….why, for what reason, and whose agenda are they following?

          That a President of the United States could be elected and know one knows who he even is….how could this happen….why, for what reason and by whom?

          That in Hollywood nearly everyone changes their name. Why do they do that? What are they trying to hide? Are they supporting a different agenda than you? If so, why and by whom?

          Digging deep into prior administrations in DC there seem to be very few Smith and Jones’s. Why is that? Who runs America’s agenda? By whom and why?

          Why do we even have websites like SHTF in a supposed free America? Why do we fear? By whom and for what reason?

          You see, since the beginning of time there has been a struggle between good and evil. By whom and why? What is the end game of the evil that is permeating America and the world? By whom and why?

          We are now threatened with political correctness. The least politically correct person ever to walk the face of this earth was Jesus Christ. He was so outspoken about the “by whom and why” that his opposition feared his truth so much they crucified him. By whom and why?

          I believe the year 2014 to be the year we are going to have to face up to the answers to these questions. And the flippant “TPTB” answer that we throw around so easily at SHTF will no longer suffice for the truth.

          • Sheepdog

            POG,

            I would say the enemy is anyone telling me how to live my life. As Jefferson said in so many words, as long as it doesn’t pick my pocket or break my my leg, I don’t care. Apparently not only do sticks and stones break bones in amurica but words do too. Who knew?

            We are a land of busy bodies, people who stick their noses where they don’t belong. The busiest bodies are in “government” enforcing their belief system at the point of a gun. Taking my hard earned income to use against me and my family is by definition tyranny.

            I don’t care if it’s a demoncat or republicrat, they have all become enemies of Liberty. They run from the light of truth when shown upon them. Time to water the tree of Liberty. It is going to be a damn bath!

          • lonelonmum

            Great post POG.

            One more question:-

            WHY does nobody even bother to ask these questions?

            p.s His Momma’s heritage is VERY interesting. Dig a little, and go beyond her low morals iykwim to play a game of follow the money down her family tree. (Because the US is freaking obsessed with race, everyone focuses on Obama’s “biological father’s” Kenyan side, yet to be fair that family has been pretty open and honest about who and what they are. Personally I think that’s been done as a deliberate red herring to fend off truth seekers).

      • two2wisper

        What sack of shit would give this a thumbs down. There is nothing untrue about this. You have issues .

        • two2wisper

          Maureen Scott nailed it.

      • Them Guys

        ME: Great post! Hobammy is the End result of what happens when you take one tribe member female and she switches to become a Coal Burner!..Results in one highly tribally marxist trained Mulatoboy…I wonder if due to his mother he too has automatic “Rights to return” to state of israel.

      • Prepping in Port Orange

        I just read, a few minutes ago, that POTUS “enrolled” in Obamacare……WHAT A FUCKING JOKE! He already gets the best doctors on the planet, pays no medical costs and he’s pretending to be one of us? He has nothing in common with most of us………Fed up with this BS!!!! I will not enroll!!!

      • John W.

        Nailed it. Wonder who the doofus crowd is that gave the thumbs down.

    5. KY Mom

      I pray this NEVER happens. Just the THOUGHT of anyone taking our children or grandchildren is horrible.

      • GDawg

        Well while your prayin, lock and load. I’ll always believe if enough numbers, say, just 3% respond fast without hesitation, and consider you’ll probly eventually be a casualty, we can deal a death blow to the american government tyranny. Be advised most local LEOs who do participate will loose uniforms and cruisers inorder mix amongst the populace. Start watching for LEO p.o.v’s. Some of them are sporting little stickers bout the size of standard business card. All black or dark blue with a lighter blue horizontal line across middle. Semper Fi. III

        • braveheart

          GDawg, I’ll be locked and loaded with all of my ‘ventilation team’ ready. If they come for me, they better be bringing body bags for themselves, have their insurance paid up, hug their families one last time, etc. cause I’m not going anywhere I don’t want to go. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • sixpack

        Those are FIGHTIN’ words…

    6. Phil McCracken

      Obama is just following orders and nothing more, why post all that drivel?

    7. John

      There is a forth way, fight once you made up your mind you will win there isn’t that many. Got you all scared.

    8. y99

      History proves it could happen like this, factor in new technology and spying methods the efficiency will make the KGB look like clowns.

      I believe TPTB will continue to whittle us down, as they’ve done for the last 100 years. The question is can they maintain control and will we the people continue to stand silent as our freedoms are ripped from us?

      • sixpack

        As far as the younger generations are concerned—you can’t miss what you never had…

      • Shooter

        Older history listed in Isaiah 9:16 says those who guide this people mislead them, and those who are guided are led astray.

        This is listed under the Lord’s anger against Israel when they turned away from God.

        I think you could say that we have turned away from God just as Israel did before they were destroyed.

        • JayJay

          I’m on book Joshua..starting at Genesis a few weeks ago.
          Heck, were the Israelites ‘intellectually challenged’??
          How many times did they need the laws stated??
          Gosh–God was a patient fellow.

      • y99

        Some on this site see this scenario as BS, yet they do this without knowing their own status on some obscure government list.

        Less than 1% of us have the background and ability to lead in an event like this, and 1% of 320 million is not outside the normal 3 to 1 odds our government works within.

        They will start with the people most threating, and use fear as they work their way down the line. People can disappear within a neighborhood on trumped up charges and no one will blink an eye, yet some on here believe it can’t happen?

        It comes down to “they took the Gypsies and I did nothing because I’m not a Gypsy” and so on down the line.

        The most dangerous to the progressive end state will be taken first and the media will insure the truth is a ripple on the pond of those who would care. You who believe it not possible will be blindsided because you believe our government incapable of evil.

    9. Tomahawk

      Taking my wife and son from me will only inspire me to do one thing, and once I start, I’ll never stop.

      • apache54

        Amen to that my friend!!!would make my aim more true than ever,

      • MinnTim

        Amen to that. Take away the fuel that drives me on this earth and I will become a horrible, horrible person to be dealt with.

        In the end only God is my freedom grantor/denier; I’ll let my chips fall with him, not some JBT making $20 an hour.

        While I find this article a bit far fetched we still have to prepare. Know who your first responders are, get to know them – those relationships, or at least the knowledge, will come in handy the day they burn the Constitution to its final pile of ashes.

        • braveheart

          MinnTim, welcome aboard, and I’m with you. The Almighty is the only one I humble myself to and never to any human. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • Facebook Page

        They won’t take them from you they will take you from them.

    10. aljamo

      The longer the people take to unite, the more time the usurpers have to cover all angles of citizen resistance. I suppose I have been on their “terrorist” bad guy list for 40 years, because I have spoken against the traitors that long. The all encompassing spying and limiting free speech should piss off any awake American.

    11. lleclair

      So cell phone metadata IS being used to track peoples movements and associations to other people.

      • Kulafarmer

        They are im sure awful disappointed with my metadata,
        I dont really go anywhere, call anyone other than my family, only texts are family or orders, and my browsing is pretty much just random bullshit, guns, news, porn (hey i aint dead) and too many one click purchases on Amazon!
        Only controversial stuff is my visits to places like this, but based on my other travels a snore and non issue!

        • Calgacus

          Hey maybe shtfplan.com is the new confessional.
          Youve been absolved.

          • slingshot

            Gregorian Monk chants would have a nice touch.

            • Calgacus

              Okay. Called Greg. Hell get his nephews monkey.

        • Night breaker

          Kula,
          I resemble that remark LOL,

          Semper Fi 8541

      • The Old Coach

        Oh, absolutely. They have software that looks at everybody near you on the street or on a public conveyance. They search for cellphones that stay in close proximity over time, and assume that those are your confederates. So if I happen to get on a bus with some terrorist, and coincidentally get off at the same stop, I’m now a terrorist, too.

        Why my phone is very old, has no GPS, and stays turned off unless I absolutely need it. If I’m in my car, it’s even in a Faraday cage.

        Sure I’m paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

        • Hunter

          Nope!

          You’re being smart!

        • lonelonmum

          Old Coach

          What did your Great Uncle Charlie get up to?

          These barstewards work intergenerationally & internationally.

      • TnAndy

        Great. Don’t own a cellphone…..what is their plan B ?

    12. VRF

      I don’t think they want us alive , too much work , too much chance for uprising , too many to manage . Mass kill off would probably be more of the order of the day.
      They would probably provoke a civil war on purpose to do their dirty work for them , that way it would appear to not lay blood directly in their hands.
      Plus , who would want to deal with hundreds to hundreds of thousand children with all different needs , and the sheer numbers of people rounded up like that can be a huge logistic nightmare , as we well know .. They just don’t have the intellect to do much except sit on their hands and be greedy .. You know who ” they” are

      • John Q. Public

        I agree. Mass round-ups and mass incarcerations leave too much room for blow-back/payback.

        They have been all too clear about their goals: depopulation, enslavement, damnation.

        In view of their goals, mass killing followed by enslavement using their accumulated “preps” seems most probable.

        Other scenarios possible? Of course.

      • The Old Coach

        They don’t want to kill us; we are the 21st Century Eloi.

        • Hunter

          Ahhhh….!

          H.G. Wells….the time machine!

      • Freedom Fred

        Yes, Horst Wessel also knew who “they” were…

        • Hunter

          Yes he did!

          ..unfortunately, he paid the ultimate price!

    13. watching and waiting

      Let us hope this does not happen. It could happen in the future. I have read articles that people have had dreams that they should leave America because of a Civil war. Then leave, I say. In the country you move to, who will be your friend? who will help you, who knows you? I am not going to run like some dog with his tail between his/her legs.

      I have also read a recent article that The National Football league (NFL) has rendered its approval to have its stadiums to be used as temporary holding areas for DHS.I don’t give the NFL,NBA and whosoever a dime.

      Still, if they do get me(and you) at 0300 in the morning, will not let them steal my spirit, have determined that in my heart: Still have the will to live,adjust to situation. Because, they might could kill my body, but they can’t kill my soul…There is a higher power that can do that…

      Some of you will say, I will resist, then you will die more likely. It is not that you are not able, they will have the advantage in surprise, numbers, firepower and you will be sleepy and not at your best. Think about it, live to fight another day….

      Those of you who do have children and may experience this,
      God help you………

      That is my opinion…..

      Merry Christmas

      • braveheart

        waiting and watching, surrender is not an option for me or even in my vocabulary. if my home is raided in the middle of the night, someone will die trying to take me. I may lose my life in the process, but nobody is taking me alive to any stinking FEMA camp. I won’t surrender to evil. Every man dies, but not every man truly lives. MOLON LABE braveheart

        • watching and waiting

          Braveheart. Not speaking about surrender. Speaking about a certain situation that will exist. What I was trying to say was, and I should have said it this way. If there is a gun in your face at 0300 in the morning, and you cannot get yours,they have you.

          God bless

          Merry Christmas…..

          • braveheart

            watching and waiting, that would be true, if they can get to me fast enough. My .40 is right on my bedside locked and loaded every night. I’ve always been something of a light sleeper. When I hear a door and/or window being forced open, I already know what it is, and I’m up with .40 in one hand and 1000-lumen LED flashlight in the other hand. They won’t get close enough to have their weapons in my face. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • JayJay

        ***Some of you will say, I will resist, then you will die more likely***
        Oh, the alternative?
        Die in a FEMA/concentration camp anyhow after they have spent your energy and used you for their evil purposes??
        Go out your way–at least you can stand proud before our Creator.

    14. BlackDog

      I want some of whatever you been smokin’ right before bedtime!

    15. Kulafarmer

      I call bullshit on this article, better put on the waders, its getting a little deep.

      • Genius

        I bet they try it anyway. It seems to be the M,O, of phsycopaths.

    16. akvalmet30

      My FAL and it’s buddies disagree with being taken by ZOG’s henchmen. Like it has been said before, bring it.

    17. lleclair

      Pay cash for prepaid cell phones and change them regularly.

      • John_Allen

        Maybe I”m more eighteenth century than many of you. Or maybe I’m more socially isolated.

        Being a retired puke with only scattered family, I used my ancient cell phone ten minutes a year. So six months ago I cancelled the service (F you, Verizon).

        It is not only turned off. That makes no difference to them. I took the battery out.
        It’s just an inert lump of plastic and a few circuits.

        NSA, can you shove my cell phone up your a%% yourself or do you need my help?

    18. PA farmer

      They now have so many tool to use against us they dont know whitch to pick frist, like a kid in a candy store.
      I Imagine they just write them on piece’s of paper an put em in a hat have somebody walking by pull one out and thats the one they’ll use.

    19. mountain man 6-1

      Well I come from an area of the country that produced ‘The Over Mountain Men’ ,the ones who traveled down to King’s Mountain and whipped the British there ! We are very independent people , slow to trust , slow to make friends but will give you th shirt off our backs when learn to trust you . Just the thought of these Goon’s rolling though our country side would piss us off to no end !! I doubt they would make it to their destination if they came our way ! And this is not a Threat ! Oops , I guess that lil rant just upped my ‘NSA Threat Matrix’ Score !!….Keep an Overwatch !….mm

      • 1stworlder

        I am a gay, pacifist, vegetarian, transgender, egalitarian, trapped in a straight mans body, the garden only has flowers in it, no need for the NSA to stop here.

        • The Old Coach

          And Pajama Boy is actually The Hulk.

        • James II

          Careful there 1stworlder or they may make you suck every one of them.

        • Paranoid

          I’ve got that beat, I love whales and vote a straight Liberal ticket.

      • braveheart

        mm 6-1, I don’t even care what my score is. I have ‘Bertha’ and the rest of my ‘ventilation team’ to protect me. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • Ole Hickory

        Also from your area. Only one real “redcoat” at King’s Mountain. The rest were Yankee dogs from New England! We whipped them the first time but they came back in 1860. As I see it we are 1 and 1. Seems like we are due for a tie breaker!

    20. Northern Reb

      There is no way that this will happen in real life.
      All the LEO’s and military people I know would not round up people like this is shown in this article, unles they have a fire fight in the area or a nuclear or chemical hazard and the were trying to save lifes.
      Do I think they broke the 4th amendment after the Boston bombing. YES, HELL YES. but to round people up and take them from there homes it won’t happen.
      And if they they tried with foreign troops, it would fail and the street would be RED with There Blood, and the heads would roll of those how would ever try this.

      • jc

        Your so-called freindly LEO`s are part of the problem. They prey on us now, what makes you think they won`t turn on you foloowing Naziesque orders. Anyone wearing a badge is part of the oppression and not to be trusted, they’re also the enemy.

        • Sgt. Dale

          JC:
          You have no Frigging clue as to what you are saying. Just another Stupid TROLL!!!!!!
          With the way you think. You are just dumb enough to go after a LEO when the SHTF. I hope you made peace with your Maker.
          I look at it this way. Just another stupid Troll not waisting air.
          Sgt.

      • braveheart

        Northern Reb, welcome aboard, and I’m with you. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • lonelonmum

        Boston suprised me as such a high % of the population there are of Irish heritage.

        UK based observation, but I would have expected more resistance. WTF is in the drinking water?

    21. Hunter

      Ladies & Gentlemen-

      There is but one way only, to combat this mil-spec type sweep/operation…and that is to shoot & KILL / seriously wound any & all uniformed participants of whatever agency is employed in such an illegal/un-CONSTITUTIONAL endeavor!

      If, this is the scenario you’re confronted with, you HAVE NO CHOICE…as surrender is NOT a VIABLE OPTION!

      …because surrender in this case, is comparable to surrendering to Satan’s demand that you deny GOD/CHRIST/the HOLY SPIRIT….and the gifts received from them!

      ..as the original Bill of Rights affirms that, they are GOD GIVEN RIGHTS…

      …not privileges bequeathed by government!!!

      ———————

      ..and in case you have yet to connect the dots, here’s the binding ties:

      If you believe, the CONSTITUTION and the original B.O.R, as written upon parchment & validated by our founding fathers in a sworn oath to GOD -(see Declaration of Independence)-, was inspired by divine guidance…

      ..then YOU are obligated to violently resist its subjugation/sacrifice upon the alter of an ungodly/godless COMMUNIST / MARXIST / NWO agenda!

      There is NO OTHER WAY OUT!!!!!!!!!!

      ———————-

      Never forget:

      We outnumber them by orders of magnitude…and every one of them we eliminate means..there will be fewer wicked assailants available for the next (real) American to confront!!!

      ———————–

      When it comes to dealing with Mr. Hodges neighborhood sweep scenario…

      ….pray for a TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT and a TRUE AIM!

      Stout hearts to all of us.

      ..and GOD Bless!

      • Walt Kowalski

        I watch the videos and see the pictures from the martial law action in Boston, and I think about how casually they went about it. They just knew that nobody was going to resist them.

        When they try the gun confiscation or arrest of dissidents, it’s going to be a different story. I look at the guy in that MRAP and I’m thinking….he’s a dead guy. Same goes for the ones stacked in front of the houses.

        No battle plan survives initial contact with the enemy.

        If they try this crap, there’s going to be a high casualty rate amongst the goon squads. In addition, I think you can anticipate reprisals against their families as well.

        I’ve said this before, but they don’t understand what a big steaming stinky pile they are stepping in.

        • Hunter

          Agreed Walt!

          ..but I think the ‘stinking pile’ they’ll step onto, will be more akin to, the vicious jaws of a bear-trap…as opposed to something that offends their nostrils!

          ..and yes, due to their self-assured hubris…they’ll never connect-the-dots.

          ..nice analysis, btw!

          + 1000 to you!

    22. THEBigFatPanda

      The only solution is for each of us, regardless of our situation, must answer one simple question; “Am I willing to be taken without any attempt at resistance?”

    23. Tony

      Why is the jackass cop pointing a rifle at the camera ?

      • jc

        Because thats the mentality of a pig, they’re the enemy in my eyes.

        • Sgt. Dale

          LC:
          When you are getying the shit kick out of you call a Gang Banger or a thug. (oh thats right they are already there kicking the shit out of you.) Don’t call a LEO (pig). See how far you get.
          We are trained to point a weapon at a subject until we see that they are not armed. You see we are just men and women, and want to go home to our loved ones after our shift is over.
          The Cook County Dept. that was shot and killed in Shitcago on Fri. trying to protect his daughter from two thugs robbing her. He didn’t have his weapon on him and now he is DEAD. May God rest his Soul!!!
          You should know what you are talking about before you put somehting on this site. Even thou you have the right to put anything you want. Even though you don’t have any clue to what you are saying!
          Sgt.

          • Sgt. Dale

            That is to read JC not LC.
            Sgt

            • braveheart

              Howdy, Sarge. I noticed the new troll. Give him fire and brimstone. MOLON LABE braveheart

              • Sgt. Dale

                Braveheart:
                YES SIR!!!!!
                Sgt.

      • Hunter

        Him???

        ..he’s a TARGET…of course!

      • Sgt. Dale

        Its not right, but it is called Threat Matrix. You point something at a cop and until they figure out what it is they will point a weapon back at you. It is the way they are trained. We would like to go home to our loved ones after our shift is over.
        Sgt.

    24. Anonymous

      Utter BS… Ain’t gonna happen

    25. maudy fricket

      Maudys’ threat matrix score must be pretty low. She can’t run or jump. She’s legally blind after about 8 beers. She can’t hear anything. Juke box is too loud. She once did the splits but that was on ice last year. Maudys’ no threat to the man.

      • slingshot

        Maudy Fricket

        My Threat Index is lower with the discovery of a new drink. One bottle of Stewart’s Orange and Cream soda and two ounces of “Ancient Age” We call it, AGENT ORANGE.
        Bad to the bone!

    26. Sierra Dave

      IF it comes to rounding us up. Pass on the word to your skeptical neighbors and family, the worst possible outcome.

      That if they round you up. You’re as good as dead. Let the sheeple think the worst possible so they resist the most.

      Maybe the man of the house will stand up at the thought of losing his family forever.

    27. R. Bruce

      If this scenario ever does happen you had better be resolved to fight your way out or die trying. I wouldn’t like to dwell on the care you’d receive from the tender loving mercies one could expect at the hands of some indoctrinated O-bot,” Just following orders. “

    28. Tenet

      “Hitler did this in many of the death camps in which the inmates performed slave labor while they were being systematically starved to death.”

      Um, no. The communists and Jews/communists put in concentration camps for the duration of the war had more calories per day to eat than German soldiers fighting on the Eastern front. And the Gestapo didn’t “show up at 3 AM”, they showed up during daytime to arrest the communist filth who had been starting riots, attacking and beating shop owners, and vandalized and looted stores. The arrests of the communist criminals ended the communist plan to take over Germany and start murdering millions of Germans, the way they had done in the Soviet Union. The Gestapo was far, far smaller than the KGB, with only about a dozen members in a city the size of Frankfurt, and relied entirely on tips from the public, who finally had a government that would put the communist criminals in jail so the public could be free from their violence. (And the police in the Third Reich, by the way, did not carry guns, or even truncheons. Hitler considered it demeaning to the public if the police were armed. Doesn’t fit your picture of the evil fascists, does it?)

      Of course you won’t mention any of this, Dave Hodges. First of all because you are ignorant of this and many other facts, and second because you have to constantly scream “Hitler!” to show that you are not a “racist”. That way you hope to avoid the media attacking you, which would possibly lead to left-wing extremists attacking you, isn’t that right?

      • Hunter

        Thank you Tenet!

        ..’tis a good thing to publish historical truth.

        ..again, thanks!

        • The Old Coach

          It would be a good thing if he knew any history. He doesn’t.

          God in Heaven, why dost thou allow this kind of human debris to consume oxygen?

          • Them Guys

            Old Coach: You have posted the same tired replies to every truthfull post like Tenets at Least a 100+ times already. Same as the others like you does…Yet NOT one single time have you or any other naysayers EVER YET posted any valid counter infos that refute what was posted.

            So as for Me I say Old Fool/coach Stuff your spew and name calling Up your Khazar Snout!

            How anyone can consider themself wide awake on issues, and Yet still maintain total 100% belief in the massive number of typical MSM/Hollywood versions of WWII or WWI or Russian jewdeo-communist revolt, Falsehoods is a total Absurdity that borders on insanity.

            • The Old Coach

              Unlike you, I’m old enough to have known people who were actually there, including two (one of whom is still alive) who were in a death camp. I have read maybe a hundred-fifty first-person accounts by soldiers, sailors and airmen. Some written before the war was even over. I own and have read perhaps two dozen highly detailed accounts of WW2 by academic historians whose work would have been torn to shreds by people who knew the facts first-hand if what they wrote were false. I even have a modest collection of ephemera, (newspapers and magazines for those of you in Rio Linda), from the WW2 period. They all tell a pretty consistent story, and it ain’t the one are telling. To believe the claptrap you and others keep posting, one would have to believe that ALL OF THESE sources, written by HUNDREDS of different people who did not even know each other, are somehow a pack of lies coordinated by some hazy conspiracy of Jews, or maybe aliens from Pluto. That just doesn’t pass the smell test.

              • zpak

                Them Guys DOES smell…… Like sulfur.

      • old guy

        History is written by the victors. That means the real truth is never told.

        • Hunter

          Amen sir!

        • Sgt. Dale

          Old Guy:
          I have found that there is his side, and then the is the other guys side, and then there is the TRUTH.
          Sgt.

      • zpak

        Did you just float on over from stormfront or national vanguard? On your river of b.s..

        • Them Guys

          Yet another Troll that follows certain posts like a lost puppyDog. Then always writes snide remarks or name calling designed to Stiffle Real truth. Yet same as Old Foolboy coach they never ever provide any valid counter infos…Just the same typical worn out lib kommie name callings.

          Just another ziotroll…Stuff yer spew Up yer Khazar SNOUT!

          These types FEAR to actually go Read any Books or Links we provide that verifies what We post…They have a depth of absolute abject FEAR of Facts and TRUTHS!

          Because as Khazars They have a vested intrest in keeping those old WWII Lies and Hollywood jewish spin movies full of BS-Lies and Propaganda alive. In their Tribeal quest to finalize the jewdeo communizing of America, so to make their zio-bolshevik jewdeo kommie tribes NWO a reality.

          Well Khazarboy This Aint Russia 1918! Get Used to it!

          • old fool too

            What’s the matter, Them Guys, you don’t like being called out for your bigotry? Tough shit. The kind of hate you feel and disseminate is as old as time. I’ve seen your kind many times over the years and I long ago realized that it is a fool’s errand to counter intellectually any of your cribbed anti jewish material. It’s always the same old agitprop in an endless loop of ranting inanities based on the world’s oldest hate. Nothing will wake you up but a backhand from The Lord.

          • zpak

            u mad?

      • kynase

        Tenet… I had family that died in the concentration camps, and I can assure you that they were not treated well. Maybe you are not familiar with what happened at the camps. I strongly encourage you stop making up history. Hitler and Mengele punched their tickets for hell compliments of their actions to humanity. Maybe you should get your facts checked.

        • old fool too

          kynase:

          Them Guys, Tenet, and their like-minded cohorts are not interested in facts. Their only goal is to spread anti jewish propaganda, incite hate in others through revisionist history, and spew vile lies. It’s a type of psychological sickness. Their hate eventually infects their soul and their minds. They do the bidding of Lucifer.

    29. Sgt. Dale

      Take anyone of my family! I WILL UNLEASH ALL THE TRAINING THAT THEY GAVE ME. You think the attack on the camp in the movie RED DAWN was massive, that will look like a spring day with nothing but the sun shining. I will find out how and where they live, So if anyone that reads this is on the other side. YOU WERE MADE A PROMISE!
      I just might send you a Christmas or a Birthday card. (HO-HO)

      Some folks might think this is a dumb article. If you do that is OK. Here are some facts. 2 million round of ammo, Heavy vehicles, 7,000 M4A1 AR’s. NSA listening to our phone calls, spying on us through our Computers, T.V. How about FEMA camps, Buying 100,000 + MRE’s, How about the Q.E’s forever? Just to name a few.

      Look at Boston, New Orleans. The thing they did there.
      What I’m saying is there is always a chance that TPTB could and would try to pull this off.

      AIM SMALL MISS SMALL
      Sgt.

      • Sierra Dave

        That’s B as in Billion rounds of ammo.

        They certainly appear to be creating the apparatus for a police state.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Sierra:
          You are right, that should have been a “B”.
          Thanks for catching that.
          Sgt.

          • braveheart

            Good evening, Sgt. Dale, and I’m with you all the way. Let them come to my place for ANY reason and it won’t end well for them at all. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • Agent Provocetour

        Well said !

      • Jim in Va.

        Sgt Dale, I agree with just about everything you say,except the govt. has TWO BILLION rounds. More to take.

        • Northern Reb

          Sgt., J.V.
          I do not think they would get to use many of those rounds on us, the might get to target practice, but really use them on us, NOPE!!
          There are to many groups of good old boy’s that would surely get there squirrel guns ( AR’S, AK’S, MIA’S, FN’S H+K’S MINI’S, ECT.) out and send them pack with ther tails between there leggs crying like little sissies.
          Then we could pick up some nice new weapons and ammo off the ground.

        • Kulafarmer

          Had a long talk with an old guy from Kahului who was 16 during ww2 over here, he said you could barter with some of the military guys to get anything you wanted or needed, my guess is there will be insiders willing to forget where stuff went this time around too, anything from tires to radio equipment to guns and bulletts were traded.

        • Sgt. Dale

          JIM:
          Save me some! Dose anyone know were they are storing this ammo?
          Sgt.

          • Old Vet

            Sgt. Dale: A very close friend showed me a 500 round case of Federal sub-sonic 9mm that he bought at a gun show (2012) in Louisville, KY. Address on the case for shipping; George Rogers Clark Memorial, Vincennes, IN. I have no idea how it got to a gun show. So my guess is if it’s a FED building (SS, USDA, PARK etc.) or whatever it’s got some stored there. So as you know it’s all over the place.

            • Sgt. Dale

              Old Vet
              Thanks for the INFO.
              Sgt.

      • REB

        Dang it all Sarge…there you go gittin your “score” raised again….now I gotta come up with a real good rant full of expletives and juicy threats against the man… just to catch up with you…. 😉

        • Northern Reb

          REB.
          The old Sgt.does have that gift.!:-)
          If they tried that with my group and harm anyone or tried to take my childern or grand childern, I would play, Wyatt Earp.
          Remember what he did to the Cowboys after the killed and crippled his brothers.
          You see I’m one of those good old boys. I dont look for trouble but when it comes I’m ready, willing and able to meet it head on. I’m a country boy, I will survive!!! with HELP form the BIG GUY IN THE SKY.

          • REB

            🙂

      • Paranoid

        To old for that method, Will just take a nap in the long grass with my 25-06. Might be my last one. Don’t understand why anyone needs more than 3-5 rds.

    30. James

      Do you really think that ALL of the members of the military and police force will stand behind the government when they see their family members, children, and friends being carted off to a detention center? I seriously doubt it. There are also organizations that swear that they will not follow the orders of government officials that conflict with the Constitution and their own morals. So, give it your best shot government officials.

      • JayJay

        Yall–I can’t shoot a thing.
        I have a .32 I couldn’t even hit a cardboard box at 12 feet.
        I have a youth 20 gauge I am not good with.
        I really suck at guns. I had to sell the unused Ruger Air Magnum .22 Rifle cause I couldn’t cock it.
        But, just know I WILL be the one serving you pinto beans with cornbread and iced tea. 🙂
        I have a huge cook pot.

        • Hunter

          ..and safe-houses staffed by the likes of you madam…will be a key resource to…

          ..VICTORY!

          ————-

          May GOD protect you/yours & other brave/fierce females, when the time comes!

        • Warchild

          JJ,get some buck/slugs for shotgun,point in right direction and fire!Sure,a 12 would be nicer but a 20 will be helpful!

          • JayJay

            Thanks for the encouragement guys and ladies–I’m just gonna stick with what I know.
            And it’s damn good white beans, fried pork chops, and gravy with biscuits.
            You’re welcome any time.

            • REB

              Like Hunter said…we are going to need people like you…you are important to the fight…hope theres a lot like you… 🙂

      • Sgt. Dale

        James:
        As a LEO, I Damn good and well where I’m going to be! Screw the Police Dept.
        Sgt.

    31. Nomad

      Most have it wrong when thinking someone/DHS/local law enforcement commanded by a few Feds/ or anyone else for that matter Is going to “pick them up”. Everyone should read the book of war, cause someone at the top has. Every play is being made by a play book; we are only seeing what they need us to see. If anyone says the know what is going to happen is wrong. Plans are made off presumption until the opponent has responded, many times if influenced into a certain move, the opponent can begin to predict or even “hold the carrot” or bait the opponent into making a move. In the case of Americans, we actually think we are making decisions or deciding for ourselves?! That is really the funniest part about the whole thing. Back to the book of war- start with a mind games then separate;as in divide and conquer. Then remove resources or cut off supplies, and then your opponent will actually come to you defeated, desperate, and hungry. We have all heard about 4 days without food and man will kill for it, well man will also give up everything for food, or “the carrot”!
      The labor camps will be filled with people willing to stay, be feed, and work for food. A sweep of the city’s will be performed long after everyone has left, just like Katrina and Boston. The country side will be filled with country folk and family defending food and crops at all costs. Just like the 30-06 comment but something worse. In Michigan on opening day for rifle, there is estimated to be over 2 million hunters, that’s based off registered public land hunters. That’s 2 million amateur snipers with high power rifle cartridges that kill 400lb bucks in one shot. Then add bow, shotgun slug hunters, and duck hunters hitting 50 yard moving targets. So add every asshole with a handgun plus the gangsters, felons and others without registered guns and the actual battle will be between ourselves. The country life will not be safe, city life will be “road warrior”, and the camps will be filled and protected by people weak and or too smart to stay out and fend for themselves. Not good choices? If they can hold the metros, presumably, then outliers will be casted out and somewhat of a normal life will continue with GMO food and fed controlled supply lines from city to city, this plan would be COG, or continuity or government. A tight metro living type as in agenda21.
      All the plans are there just not fully implemented because it’s impossible to get to implementation without reaction. So for now it’s “step by step” until next time…..

      • Hunter

        Agreed!

        The regime, cannot win a “sniper’s war”…

        -(see Stalingrad for details)-

        • Sgt. Dale

          Hunter:
          That is why I have 3 sniper rifles and working on #4/
          AIM SMALL MISS SMALL!
          Sgt.

          • Slick One

            Sgt Dale what is a good snipers weapon that doesnt cost the earth? What is the best 223 7.62…..? Thanks as always, glad your on our side!

            • Shootit

              .308 for a caliber, but that is really a minor part of a good sniper rifle. The most important part is the sniper.

              If I had a good sniper rifle it would be bolt action .308, .243, .270, or 7 mag. If I put a scope on any of those rifle’s it would have Leupold printed on the side. Next the actions would be polished and the triggers would be about 2.5-3 lbs with no creep or travel. Then I would take it to the range and work up a load that would group less than 1 moa at 100 yrds. Next I would make sure I can put 5 rounds on a pie plate at 350 yards and a dinner plate at 500.

              • Sgt. Dale

                Shootist:
                Great advice!!!
                Sgt.

            • BBStacker

              Slick one:

              The very same question has come up several times from a few friends of mine that know I am into long range shooting, I practice ALOT. Meaning at least once per week, all weather conditions.

              I really like Savage rifles. I have had the best luck with them as far as out of the box accuracy. Some of their stocks suck. So be prepared to swap it out. Barrel changes are simple. With just a barrel nut wrench and some type of vise (made my own barrel vise), and some go/no go gauges, you can swap them out in minutes. You can change calibers, as long as your bolt head is compatible. Or get all three standard bolt heads and you can have 204/223 bolt head, 308, 30-06, 243,etc bolt head, and the magnum size bolt head 300 win mag, 338 WM, 7mm rem mag, etc. You will also need the bottom metal to change some calibers.

              Also check out the very affordable remington 700 SPS varmint line of rifles. Heavy barreled tack drivers, cost just over $500 or so for some models. They can easily be converted to detachable magazines if you wanted to. Their stocks are kinda crappy too.

              I believe any rifle will do, if you will do. Practice, practice, practice. Get some good optics. Buy once, cry once. You can’t hit what you can’t see. You can easily spend 2-3 times the money on a good scope than you did on your rifle. Avoid the bargain scopes if you can.

              I would recommend against using .223 for a dedicated ultra long range rifle. If you go this route, get a fast twist barrel 1-7 twist or 1-8 twist minimum. Shoot 69 grain plus bullets, I like the 75-77 grainers personally. The lighter standard 55 grainers are just too prone to alot of wind drift at ranges over 400 yards. I would recommend sticking with any caliber 6.5mm and up, to take advantage of the improves ballistics of heavier, high ballistic coefficient bullets.

              I just started using Vortex scopes recently. I have had good luck with them so far. Definitely not tried and true, but so far so good. They are affordable too. I prefer 30mm scope tubes, but 1 inchers work fine, just not as much reticle adjustment. Learn to use a mil dot or mil rad reticle. They are good at determining distances when you know how to calculate them.

              Learn to reload if you don’t already. It will save alot of money, especially when you are talking long range precision loads. I have not found any factory loads that will outshoot my handloads. Stock up on all components when you can. Hoard them if you have the room. It will cost quite a bit to get started, but will pay for itself if you shoot alot.

              Did I mention practice? Know your equipment in all conditions. Don’t just shoot on clear, calm sunny warm days. 1000 yard shots with 20 mph crosswinds will humble a fair weather shooter every time.

              Just my .02. Good luck.

              • Sgt. Dale

                BB:
                Very good advice. You know your stuff.
                You are right PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!!!
                Sgt.

            • Sgt. Dale

              Slick:
              308 by far. lots of reason not enough time to go into it but 308.
              Savage right now is the lowest price for the better gun.
              I like 700 Remington myself. With a sniper type scope. A good scope is a Nikon Bullet Drop Compensator. 3X9X40 or 4X12X50 is what works best for me.

              I built three using Mauser Large Ring with a Rhineland Arms Inc. Barrel. I put a Nikon 3X9X40 BDC scope. at 100 yards, I shot under 1/2 inch groups. Using 165 Gr Bt. Sp. Hornady. I use Milt. brass 43Gr. of WW 748. WW Lg. rifle primer. Load at you own risk. When I load for hunting I use 45 Gr. loads. Same bullet. You need to find works best for you. I do have some match ammo and I shot the same wit them.
              Go to Gun Broker and see what you can to about the rifle.
              Also don’t rule out the AR platform, or the M1A. On the Tac. Team I use a M1A for my Sniper Rifle. Many reasons, too many to go over here.
              Hope this helps.

              AIM SMALL MISS SMALL
              Sgt.

              • Shootit

                .308 use Federal 210M primers. Ream the Flash holes in the brass. Weigh and sort the brass… I could continue, but as Sgt. says practice with what you have and it will become your go to rifle.

            • REB

              The best one is the one you are good with…lots of good ones out there…find the one youre good with…2cents

          • Hunter

            Sarge-

            Awesome! You have 3 sniper grade weapons?…am jealous, of course!

            I have but one “purpose made/mfgrd” LDO rifle/scope combo.
            She’s a .308 & enjoys 168 hpbt-m/175 smks (all hand loads, btw).

            Would like to try a .338L, but my area of operations is not that suited for +1000-1500meter work.

            The key to accuracy/consistency is finding the weapon’s “sweet-spot”, per a given projectiles weight/ogive/powder type etc.
            ..and it goes w/o saying, every powder charge weighs exactly the same.

            But once you get her dialed in, it becomes a case of:

            ..if you miss, its likely your fault!

            ——————-

            BBstacker’s (see post below) advice is SPOT ON THE MONEY!!!!

            ..especially per 30mm tubes/mil-dot reticules & practicing long distance w/ a cross wind.

            • Sgt. Dale

              Hunter:
              You are right. once she is dialed in with a load she is ready to rock and roll.

              The load I use can be used on Man or Beast.

              With a new rifle make sure you do a proper break-in of the barrel. 1 shot Clean do 5 times, 3 shots clean do this 3 times, 5 shots clean do this 2 times. This how I broke in all of my sniper rifles.

              Now for the 338 Lapua. “Don’t”!! Too DAMN costly!!!!!! Kicks like a Mule.

              I would go with a 300 Win Mag you can use the same slugs that you are using in the 308. This rifle will give you up to 1000 yards +. Shooting 1000 yards will take a lot of practice. This will cost you around $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 a year to shot to get good at that range.

              I don’t; even attempt to shot that far. Many reasons, One is cost, two is no where to practice at, three it could gives up you location to soon (Zombies/Leaches would turn tail and run. If I get my rifle dirty on them I want to take at least 10 of them). four were I live there wouldn’t be a shot that far away. And more.

              I do have a Remington 700 300 Win Mag. I shot a cow elk in the head with it at 305 yards. I have it on tape. I didn’t want to waist meat. I load it with Nosler Combine Tect. or Nosler Partion 180 Gr. with WW 780 Supreme,
              H 4350, Retumbo. All three give me great accuracy. My
              #1 powder for the 300 Mag is the 780 Supreme. But I like the H4350 because I can load it in my 308, 30-06, 35 Whelen also with heavier bullets.

              Maybe Santa could bring you one for Christmas???
              Merry Christmas to you and yours and all the great folks on the site!!!

              AIM SMALL MISS SMALL
              Sgt.

              • Shootit

                I used to have a Remington .300 win mag with a 26″ fluted barrel that would shoot 1/2 moa, but it was just to heavy. The weight of the gun countered the recoil nicely, but needed a vehicle mount or be classified as a crew serviced weapon. As you say unless you reload feeding the high powered magnums can get very $$$$$.

                .308 win will handle any N. American game out to 500 yards. Easy to find ammo, easy to reload, easy to manage recoil.

                Yesterday, I scored 2500 rounds of .308 in a trade. Some of it was reloads that I will end up pulling apart and re-using the components. Just another reason that “IF” I had battle rifle’s they would be a AR10 and a M14.

              • BBStacker

                All of you guys are right on the money. 300 Win Mag is my favorite long range, “relatively cheap” poor mans lapua. My pet loads for this particular Savage consist of Reloader 22 and either 190 grain Sierra Matchkings or 208 Grain Hornady A-max’s. 1000 yards is no problem if I do my part. I’ve tried it at 1550 yards a few times, but at that range the bullet transitions to subsonic and weird things start happening.

                Sgt. Dale you bring up a good point about being able to find a local range where you can actually shoot at long distances. I took for granted my location when I gave the advice about practicing. This is definitely a logistical problem I didn’t think about. I live out in flatland and have property owners around me (no neighbors) that don’t mind me shooting across their property. I trade some labor (wheat harvest, watering cattle, etc) for the privilege of putting up dirt berms as a bullet stop on my neighbors property. It is convenient to have ability to shoot almost a mile from my shop door. I only have ranges out to 300 yards on my personal property.

                The M1A is a fine rifle. I have one scoped match 22 inch version and the 18 inch scout version. The 18 inch is what I practice my open sight shooting with. Awesome weapons.

                Merry Christmas guys/gals. Glad to see so many like minded folks on this site.

      • buttcrackofdoom

        nomad. excellent post. thanks.

    32. Max Hardwood

      I started reading a new book today, published in 1990, and he made a reference to a robotic machine-gun he had seen at a top-secret US Marine base in Hawaii…..23 years ago!

      The weapons that our government has available to unleash upon us are simply beyond description. I myself am a former Marine. As much as I believe in fighting for our country and constitution, I realize it’s suicidal to try.

      That being said, maybe suicide is what is needed. Many of us reading these blogs are in our 50’s and 60’s, and most have led a good life. Most of us were hard working, honest, and we cared about other people and our country.

      What is there to look forward to in the next 30 years? Holocaust? Nuclear winter? Har-Megiddo? I say, let us go ahead, those of us who have seen the better days, let us go ahead and find something evil, and kill it. Once we start the ball rolling, maybe those behind us will begin to stand up to the fight. Just like the guy on the bus who was getting robbed, and fought back….after a few moments, another guy jumped in , then, yet later, a woman from the back of the bus engaged.

      SOMEBODY has got to take that first step. Why not us?

      • Kulafarmer

        There isnt shit to look forward to

      • slingshot

        Max Hardwood.

        A couple of points in the time we have to prepare.
        Are we waiting for others to awake and prepare?
        Are we waiting to take the HIGH ROAD to have PUBLIC Opinion on our side when hostilities break out?

    33. Warchild

      Things will go boom,that is for sure,big box store and $100 folks!I will definitely die,just depends on how many I take.You will see the copters/troops move in if anything large scale,rig your home booby traps ect. and get ready unless you are in the hills,can get a few shots off and fade away ect.You get taken to a camp you are as good as dead,might as well die fighting,sucks I/we even have to think this way beyond say writing a book/script.You don’t own/want to own firearms,@ least get yourself a karambit,a very nasty/small curved knife easily hidden that even a average person can cause a lot of damage with,with armored folks go for face/groin ect.,yeah,you will be shot but hurt one badly and force their hand,the more violence,the more resistance.You see your neighborhood raided hell get a pot of boiling cooking oil,fuck one assholes face up for life before you go.Something like this is to happen all communication net/cells/phones ect. will be down,even in the worst of storms my phone(cell) still works,that is a good early warning,make your home a pain to easy travel thru,every second might buy you time to inflict some final damage,damn,this shit pisses me off!

    34. Jim in Va.

      People have said this could never happen here…I have neighbors from Cuba and former East Germany that will tell you different and they see it coming here. I trust their judgement and will be aware. Caution is the word…hope it doesn’t happen.

      • Kulafarmer

        Oh, it could happen, i dont think it will be successful, and i dont think it will end well for those who try,,

      • John W.

        I have a good friend who survived the re education camps and escaped Vietnam as a boat person. Over ten years ago he was getting concerned, now he is scared about how things are going. Told me it reminds him of what he escaped. No place left to run. Only positive is it looks like Obama is going to start getting some heavy hits soon. I so want Obamacare to progress. That is the only hope of breaking the spell he has on the media and the stupid people of which there are so many. Then again if the Stupid Party goes true to form they will bail him out.

    35. Kevin2

      If TPTB were so inclined to round up masses of citizens the literal, “Cat would be out of the bag”. The pretenses of a Republic/ Democracy would be cast aside even for those that choose to not see reality. In that event the opposition would increase necessitating even greater roundups requiring more forces to accomplish it. This is a costly and inefficient method of control.

      The reality is one overfly with an aircraft