Malls Erupt in Violence: “Chaotic Panic and Everybody Running All At Once”

by | Dec 27, 2016 | Emergency Preparedness, Headline News | 123 comments

Do you LOVE America?



    This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.

    Editor’s Comment: Dissect this any way that you want. People are losing it, their sanity is coming unglued and there is an unspoken pressure that is eating away at the soul of America. If this is all it takes for things to break down, we’re in real trouble. Is this the scene of shoppers everywhere so desperate for a sale that their lives depend upon it? Is this economic pressure driving people to criminal behavior?

    It seems clear enough that if any major disaster were to take hold in a major city anywhere in this country, it would bring out the absolute worst in a sector of society that has already been tested and brought to its limit. Emergency shortages will trigger panic and riots in sequence, as these people have almost been trained and conditioned to react that way. For every prepper out there, there are perhaps hundreds who have no threshold for disruption, hunger or want.

    File this under ‘society is breaking down’…

    Post-Christmas Chaos Strikes America’s Malls: SWAT, Gunfire, & Mass Brawls From Texas To New Jersey

    by Tyler Durden

    Two days ago, we reported that heading into Christmas, countless “mall brawls” had broken out across America’s as last minute holiday shoppers were filmed fighting with each other in shopping malls in New Jersey, Alabama, Georgia and other states for those last minute “holiday cheer” purchases. The videos made for for a very Unmerry Christmas.

    Now, in the spirit of holiday symmetry, following the one day lull on Christmas Day, the brawls returned on the day after Christmas, with fights, disturbances and false reports of gunfire causing chaotic scenes and shutting down several malls across the United States on Monday, as shoppers scrambled for the best deals in the typically busy post-Christmas shopping day.

    The first calls from the The Mills at Jersey Gardens came in just after nightfall Monday. Witnesses said they thought they had heard shots fired. That, along with a fight, led to what Elizabeth police Officer Greg Jones described as a “chaotic panic and everybody running all at once.”  Eight to 10 people suffered minor injuries during a melee in the food court at the Jersey Gardens malls the mayor there said on Twitter.

    Panic followed when someone shouted “gun,” after a chair hit the ground, causing a loud noise in the mall’s food court, Elizabeth Mayor Chris Bollwage tweeted.

    The incident led to a SWAT team with riot shields and body armor raiding the mall, while shoppers either ran or hid in stores. No weapons were found and no-one was arrested.

    Photos and video clips posted on social media showed heavily armed police officers responding to the incident as shoppers raced to exits and alarms rang out inside the mall.

    Similar disturbances unfolded across the United States on Monday at malls that were packed with shoppers returning gifts, using gift cards they received over the holiday weekend or simply searching for clearance deals. Many involved calls of shots being fired and youths fighting. It was unclear if the incidents were connected.

    As Reuters reports, a large fight between teenagers broke out in the food court at the Cross Creek Mall in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Police fielded several unconfirmed reports of shots fired, said a Facebook post by the Fayetteville Police Department, which also said the mall was evacuated.

    The Cross Creek Mall in Fayetteville, North Carolina, was evacuated as police arrived to break up the fight. Claims were made that shots were fired.

    “Once people start running in that area or chairs are getting knocked over, tables, that sort of thing, that echoes and it could resemble the sound of a gunshot to a lot of people,” he said.

    The Hulen Mall in Fort Worth, Texas, was on lockdown, Fort Worth police said on Twitter. The CBS website there reported that police said officers responded to reports of gunshots but arrived to find that several fights had broken out involving 100-150 people. There were no injuries, police said.  Fort Worth Police spokeswoman Tamara Velle said officers initially responded to reported gunfire inside the mall. After breaking up the fights, officers stopped by each store to let people leave while the lockdown remained in effect, KTVT reported.

    At least one fight shut down the Fox Valley Mall in Aurora, Illinois, late on Monday, and police were called to quell the disturbance, the Chicago Daily Herald reported, citing managers of businesses in the building.

    Online videos showed uniformed personnel directing mall patrons out of the building and customers fleeing down an escalator. Police and mall management could not be reached for comment.

    Hundreds of people (left) were in the vicinity of a food court brawl (right) in the

    Fox Valley Mall in Aurora, Illinois. Seven juveniles were arrested in the fight

    In Memphis, Tennessee, seven people were arrested after incidents at two malls, CNN affiliate WMCA reported. Police said a group started a disturbance in the Wolfchase Galleria food court and started running, which prompted some customers to call 911, according to Fox 13.

    Cops at Wolfchase Mall in Memphis removed both adults and juveniles.

    An officer leaves Oak Court Mall in Memphis, Tennesse where police were called

    after a fight broke out and reports were made of shots being fired.

    Then a crowd gathered outside Oak Court Mall, about 10 miles west, and
    started a disturbance, WMCA said. Both malls were cleared and closed
    early for the night.

    Visitors to Oak Creek Mall linger in the parking lot outside as police patrol the area

    The Town Center Aurora in Aurora, Colorado, was also closed early after multiple skirmishes were reported inside the mall, the Aurora Police Department said on Twitter.

    Teens were tackled by cops at the Aurora Mall in Colorado. There were several
    large fights ‘involving juveniles’, cops said

    Aurora PD spokesman Sgt. Chris Amsler said about 100 people had gathered in the food court before the brawls broke out — prompting the Colorado mall to close early on Monday afternoon. “(It) kind of morphed into this large disturbance,” Amsler said.

    When off-duty police officers working as security guards tried to break up a fight, people circled the officers, who called for backup, Amsler said. As police officers on duty arrived, fights broke out throughout the mall, at a movie theater and at a nearby park-and-ride lot, he said. He estimated 500 people were involved. Authorities arrested five people, all juveniles, and recovered no weapons, he said. One person assaulted at the park-and-ride lot suffered “significant” injuries and was taken to a hospital, Amsler said.

    In Monroeville, Pennsylvania, seven people were arrested after incidents at two malls, CNN affiliate WMCA reported. Police said a group started a disturbance in the Wolfchase Galleria food court and started running, which prompted some customers to call 911, WMCA said. Then a crowd gathered outside Oak Court Mall, about 10 miles west, and started a disturbance, WMCA said. Both malls were cleared and closed early for the night.

    Shots were reported in both incidents, but police said they found no evidence of gunfire, WMCA said. No injuries were reported, CNN affiliate WATN said.

    Police put the Arizona Mills mall in Tempe, Arizona, on lockdown after reports of shots fired inside the shopping center. Two people, including a juvenile, were arrested after two fights broke out at the mall, an ABC affiliate reported.

    In Beechwood, Ohio, a juvenile was arrested for hitting a police officer after police used pepper spray to break up a fight that started about 6:30pm near a food court. Crowds were seen falling over themselves in a stampede towards the exits at the Beechwood Place mall, which went into lockdown as police investigated. Officers initially responded to the scene for a report of shots fired. Police later confirmed that there were no gunshots.

    Shoppers rush into a wild stampede at the Beechwood Place Mall after a fight broke
    out and someone shouted – incorrectly, police said – that a gun had been drawn

    Fire officials say a man and a police officer were exposed to the pepper spray and received medical treatment. No one else was injured. John Boyd, the 19-year-old who was hit with pepper spray, described the sensation to  ‘My face burned… it went into my skin,’ Boyd said. ‘My whole body burned.’ It wasn’t clear what caused the fight, but police told USA Today that the incident had apparently been ‘loosely organized on social media’.

    Finally, a fight at The Shoppes at Buckland Hills mall in Manchester, Connecticut, led to the mall being evacuated around 5:30pm, according to police. Video shows boys throwing swift jabs at one another while other youths crowd around to watch.

    ‘Up to ten’ teenagers were involved in the fights, according to police. One police officer was assaulted while trying to break up one of the first fights, authorities said, but didn’t seek medical attention.

    Crowds peered through glass as boys threw punches at one another in The Shoppes

    at Buckland Hills mall in Manchester, CT. Several boys were arrested

    There were several hundred teens in the mall when the fights broke out, and several were arrested, Manchester police Captain Chris Davis said on Twitter. There were no weapons involved and no sign that the fight was gang related, police said.  It’s not known whether the rash of incidents across the country were coordinated in any way, or were just coincidental.

    This article was written by Tyler Durden and originally published at Zero Hedge.


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      1. Post Christian America, isn’t it a wonderful thing.

        • That may be true, but when you take a closer look at individuals in the video, you can see why it happened: violent behavior is part of their culture.

        • Yah…Its not necessarily Post Christian. Moral and ethical standards are not exclusive to Christians or any other religion for that matter.
          This behavior is a direct effect of the welfare system that has been forced on our people for the past few decades. These low class creatures have been allowed to run like wild animals in our society for so long they have no boundaries. If they get in trouble they have their Get Out of Jail phrase, “That’s raciss”.

      2. Decades up until labor laws changed in fast food jobs, and stupid parents chose to let their kids run the house and them, (maybe started in the 80s or 90’s), youth held jobs, too busy for this fan fare. These sorry kids are being raised with no discipline,w/o values and parents are too busy to teach them anything,busy themselves w/ electronics. This I’ve seen: kids from decent families end up w. DUI’s, dope or worse. A good reason to stay out of patriot or civic groups or org. churches. There are dysfunctional adults (losers) in even these groups, which I no longer attend. I have had to prune out former friends and siblings, cousins for being losers, then refuse to communicate. Choose friends wisely.

        • Laura Ann, very good points. It’s the same way in my area. One big reason for lack of discipline is that parents have been told by the left that they’re not allowed to raise their kids the right way. Too much damn govt. interference in the family. If parents perform an act of legitimate discipline on their child, they get charged with child abuse and lose the kids altogether. These social workers are NOT saviours to the kids. When the kids end up in foster care, it’s usually a much worse situation than what they came out of. When the parents’ minds are just like the kids’ minds, you know we’re in trouble as a nation.

          • When government dumbed down our education system and the states stepped in and took parents rights away,it was a recipe for DISASTER!!!.Instead of kids being taught discipline,respect,manners,etc. they’ve been taught to challenge authority,that their “entitled” to anything they want,and to NEVER take responsibility for their actions.Hollywood,media,government and even some parents are to blame for this.I see it all the time parents trying to be their kids friend,instead of parent.There’s a HUGE difference between being a parent and being a friend.I guarantee if these thugs that were out fighting were to be told that if arrested they would serve time in prison on work detail until their 21 years of age,there wouldn’t have been 10 of them show up.As long as society puts up with this shit it will continue..

        • laura,

          thanks for the post,i agree with your analysis.

        • I like your process laura ann.
          Prune, pull weeds, fence out rodents, then you have a nice area/garden/life.
          “Leave your husband, we will run off to Montana to raise rabbits, build cabin, live off grid, have babies, and play scrabble while drinking hard cider.” What a life!

          You bring the cast iron skillet. I have the chain saw and cider. Rest we will figure out.
          A guy can daydream…………….

          As far as the mall riots. “Just hood rat’s doing what hood rats do.
          Just another day for the criminal entitled class.” Nothing new.

          Leave the cities. Leave now.
          Leave USA. Leave while possible.
          Have a chain saw and cast iron skillet. Or a chain saw and good woman with skillet.

          • Paul B: Some your ideas sounds ok especially for younger couples, except I live in S.E. Ala. High 70’s all this week, turning cooler Fri. Raising kids is useless as this country is headed down now for decades via UN agendas. I have been a student of globalism since late 70’s (now retired) and we chose to be child free, both worked and debt free several years before retirement. Hate cold weather like Mt., etc. We left the N. in our early 20’s never went back. It’s hard to find like minded peers as decades of liberal ed and laziness, apathy and decadence has produced masses of dumbed down idiots of all ages. Just take a look at Europe now, about to become a caliphate.

          • Then Paul’s wife read SHTFPlan and hit Paul over has head with an Iron skillet. She swung and yelled “Here’s your iron skillet Mr Montana.” Whammmm!!

        • Multiculturalism is wonderful ain’t it?

          • It’s not multiculturalism. This is how black and dark people naturally are. The sooner white people accept it, the faster we can take care of the real issue….which is black and brown people. Saying “multiculturalism” is just a cop out.

            • LOL Dan. You must not process sarcasm or read much that I post.

            • Dan the man,
              Have you ever been dirt poor, Not just broke, But really poor?
              Ever missed a meal, or six.

              The first pair of new shoes my brother in arms ever had was issued by USMC.
              There he was. Staring at the boots and sneakers. I couldn’t figure it out.
              There was a tear that ran down his cheek. I kept my mouth shut. None of my business.
              Few weeks later he explained over boot legged beers. He said, “thanks for being cool.”

              I said, “about what.” I had forgotten about it. We were busy.

              He said that the shoes and boots were the first NEW foot ware he had ever had. He had six brothers. So the shoes were damn worn out by the time he got the hand me downs.

              Poor people have few options.
              -Sign up to Military to be Cannon/IED fodder in wars that No one cares about.
              -Leave the hills/country and work menial Low pay jobs in the city that usually get you messed up health wise.
              -Sling dope. Get rich and get killed. Go to jail and get killed.
              -Steal. Usually you go to jail.
              -Stay on welfare and live in shame.
              You Dan are not above any of this except for life circumstances. Don’t kid yourself.

              I am damn lucky. Very fortunate. I have gone through hell and then some. Yet here I am. Have both arms, both legs, have my balls intact. I am a very lucky and fortunate man. Many are not that lucky.

              I thought my family was poor. I had no idea until out in the world what poor is.
              My travels have made me so extremely grateful for what I have.

              Instead of shooting your mouth off. Make a difference. Go coach some kids sports teams. Go volunteer at the boys clubs. Hell do anything constructive to help some one else. No matter their skin tone.

              I have been all over the world. People are people everywhere.
              Good and bad. Most are in the middle, just trying to live another day.
              I never cared about the skin tone or religion of the man standing watch. As long as he was reliable, stayed awake, did his job. Color don’t matter.

              I assure you that we all bleed red. We all die. Some die well. Some not so well. Most ask for their mothers as they leave this life. Others ask you to tell their wife or girlfriend that they love them. Then they die. Some quietly. Some not so quite.
              Skin tone color, religion, has nothing to do with anything, we all bleed and die.

              God made us all bleed red.

              You Dan Talk out your Ass. You know nothing.

              • No one that matters,

                Save it. I have been poor my entire life and have suffered terrible losses. How dare you act as though you are the only one thats ever had a difficult time in life. The mark of a selfish fool.

                Being poor has nothing to do with it. Sounds like your government indoctrination went quite well. Their brutality is historic. Wonder why nothing has come out of africa, not a single invention or written language?

                Too bad my words upset you enough to write a novel. You are far too sheltered or too foolish to understand the truth in front if your face. For that reason there is nothing more to say to you.


                • Dan
                  Yes, it is foolish to try to reason with a self righteous racist rock head, like you Dan.
                  You are the one sheltered. Like post stated. You have no understanding of the challenges those people face daily. I have been there, First hand. Have you? Of course not.

                  How about you grow some balls Dan, and you other racists pukes? Go coach a kids sport team on the dark-poor side of town. Make a difference for positive change. Do some good. Make your time matter. But I doubt you have the guts to coach.

                  Young men need positive role models, positive activity like sports, and a boot in the ass to stay out of trouble.

              • n1tm is full of shit. A nigger will act like your friend until surrounded by its bruthuus. Then it will immediately turn on you. In the vast majority of cases, they are not animals because they are poor, they are “poor” because they are animals.
                Many blacks embrace islam because it feeds their belief that everything they don’t like is somebody else’s fault.
                These riots were coordinated via Snapchat. They are all so “poor” their smartphones are often as old as six months. Almost none of them will be wearing hand-me-down off-brand shoes, and none of them are hungry (unless mom sold the EBT card). They all have more “bling” than working, productive people.
                Their basic needs are being met. Most of them can’t remember a time other than the obutthole area, and this kind of savagery by niggers being encouraged.
                There are exceptions, but overall, niggers are completely incompatible with civilized society. Every majority black area or country is like this. Niggers have created almost nothing on their own.

      3. I don’t go to malls. Don’t like crowds. All someone has to do is yell he’s got a gun and the horde will go crazy. There you are with your family in the middle. No thanx. Have always hated the mall haven’t been there in years.

        • Asshat, etc: I have run errands, or shopped for several decades now starting early in the am, usually home by 10am early in the week. On malls: I never go inside malls (was a ’70’s and ’80’s mall/food ct. rat-good times then). I only go inside the anchor stores- JCP, Belk and leave same entrance. Avoided holiday shopping, do all of it before Bl. Friday mayhem. Ain’t like it use to be.

        • I haven’t been in a shopping mall in years. Bunch of fat ass millennial snowflake mall rats with their eyes glued to their cell phones, sucking on slurpies and roaming aimlessly with no purpose. Don’t think that has changed much in the last few years, to go check again.

        • Someone with a gun is no big deal. Rock is just as dangerous.

          Pointing gun at you raises some concern.
          I am more worried about psychotic zero accountability Police than street thugs.
          Most Police are bullies and trigger happy nut jobs.

          I would be more worried about Police at the Mall than idiot kids brawling for kicks.
          Teen Having a gun is not good but not end of world either.
          The Police are more Dangerous to your family than most teenagers.

          The teens likely just flashing weapon for fear factor. And it worked.
          Making a big deal out of it in media will just ENCOURAGE other idiot dangerous acts by teens. So don’t broadcast scenes giving teens ideas.

          But maybe my perspective is different.
          Grew up in rough neighbor hood. Everyone had a gun.
          People tried to rob me several times. Some had guns. I kicked their ass. Stomped them down. Took away their gun, knife, one time a magic marker stuck in my back to feel like a gun.

          No I’m not a bad ass. I was a little drunk and already pissed off before they tried robbery, each time. Go figure. I just got lucky. I don’t suggest you dying over a few dollars. As I’m usually moneyless anyway. But the punks caught me at bad time. Right after I was fired. Right after divorce. Right after a friends death. I beat all of their asses. I was just lucky. Surprised the punks. I was drunk, stupid, pissed, didn’t give a damn.

          I am also trained in multiple fighting arts. Dad made me. Just to keep me off streets as teen. Four days a week.

          Also seen combat. I don’t get excited about idiots shooting at me. I am calm as long as they miss. But I do end their shooting when possible. Artillery-Helicopter-Air support are wonderful things. Don’t be on a team without them. Keep that in mind all you tough guys and gonna do this and that’s on this site.

          If you make stand against Artillery-Helicopter-Air-Drone, support. YOU will die. Puff and you are gone. All your friends gone. All your family gone. Your only hope at survival is to hide, be silent, no light, sound, IR-FLIR, smell, signatures. Big Brother has bigger toys and more elves to remove your life if you stand. Your small arms mean nothing. Listen and live.

          Don’t believe. You will die.

      4. things are going down hill fast!! not to many places are safe anymore in high populated areas! and only going to get worse for long time to come!

      5. It’s BLACK TEENAGERS who are the perpetrators in all of these incidents. Anytime you get a large group of blacks together ANYWHERE it’s guaranteed that some kind of trouble will take place. The 2 mall incidents in my city were just big fights and the reports of shots fired turned out to be false. This is what happens when a minority group is given so much leeway and other special treatment under federal law. People like them can’t handle real life even under the BEST economic conditions. I stay away from malls, period. If one of those young apes touched me I would hurt it.

        • He knows cause he is a Mall Rat security guard. lol

          • Zeus, who the f#$% yanked on your chain? Never worked in a mall and won’t. I stand by my remarks. I know all too well what those people are really like.

          • You are disgusting, Zeus.
            Go away and find another site to screw up.

      6. Stay away from crowds!
        Get it? Got it? Good!

      7. Look at the vids it’s blacks in these malls. The niggers have a culture of thuggery what do people expect. If you turn on the radio there is a rock station and country station the rest all black rap crap. The chimps have a strong influence on the youth. It isn’t positive either it doesn’t speak of hard work or love like country music just of drugs violence and street hustling. The niggers were always he downfall of the community. Useless eaters.

      8. Another thing is the law shows so much favoritism to juveniles these days. Anyone who says the law treats everyone the same has been in a fantasy world. There used to be a time when that was true but not anymore, say within the past 40 years. Kids get more protection under the law than adults these days. Juvenile courts are such a joke. All they do is slap kids on the wrist. Revolving-door justice just like an adult court. There’s no accountability for juveniles’ wrongdoing, ESPECIALLY if they belong to a minority group. Even in my area, when a black teenager kills someone, not a damn thing happens to them.

        • Hey Cuz is that you in that picture at Oak Court Mall with the Mossburg 590?

          • Yep him and his ventilation team. lol

            • Zeus, LOL! I’ll give you credit for making me laugh this time. A guy can always dream, right?

            • I wasn’t talking to you shithead, I was talking to my Cuz.

              • Memphisidiotscousin, go f#$% yourself.

        • The federal courts have ruled that thug juvenile have to be treated like little kids, with velvet gloves.

          When I was growing up if you mouth off to a Cop like some of these little turds do you would end up with a bloody lip, and then when they took you home you would get another bloody lip from your Old Man.

          That’s right there is no old man at home. 7 kids and 5 different dads. Not all but most!


          • Sarge, it’s sad but true. Our juvenile court is the biggest joke. I guess they’re like that everywhere thanks to the fed court ruling, but who says any of US have to follow such a ruling?

          • I started avoiding Joilet long ago. Place is nuts! Hell think last week was the first time I been to the Peru mall in 10 years or more. You can keep that crap hole. Any more if I can’t get it at fleet or D&S I guess I don’t need it. Oh, or I guess BUDSGUNSHOP too haha

      9. Welcome to “Christmas,” post-Christian society version.

        “”Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
        – John Adams 1735 – 1826, Second President of the United States, who served two terms as Washington’s VP 1789 to 1797

        The full context of the quote is here, BTW:

        While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays I have received from Major-General Hull and Brigadier, General Walker your unanimous address from Lexington, animated with a martial spirit, and expressed with a military dignity becoming your character and the memorable plains on which it was adopted. in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the Nvorld; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, • would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

        • For you Religious folks..

          The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816
          Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
          Article 11:
          As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

          **So who told you the US constitution was written for Religious people? Sounds like another crock of BS.

          • More fuel to the fire…

            “I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.”
            –Thomas Jefferson

            “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, — as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], — and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

            All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Thomas Paine

            “Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance,” he continued. “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
            Concluded Madison, “We are teaching the world the great truth that governments do better without kings and nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of government.”

            It seems that a large number of our “Founding Fathers” were in fact a bit less inclined to push religion into our lives than most would think.

            Any religion always decays into a corrosive and virulent organization led by psyco and sociopathic creatures vying for power and avarice. Always.
            Faith however, is a different story altogether.

          • I have quit reading your posts, Zeus, as they are utterly uninformed. I regret having glanced at this. The Christian Life and Character by Morris is several hundred pages going through this Judeo-Christian foundations of the nation. I would wager you have never even heard of this book. (Note that there is indeed no state religion, but the Danbury Baptist letter from Jefferson to them erected a wall of separation where the state would not interfere with, or intrude on their practices, not the other way around. Jefferson a deist? Funny how he said “I tremble for my country, wen I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Strange, a deist says God wound the clock, but then left town and does not interfere. No word from you on how a deistic “god” could be present and yet not present. But then, I have to assume you are not familiar with the law of non-contradiction? Viz, A cannot be non-A at the same time, and in the same relationship. I have already quoted Madison, one of the leading lights in the creation of the Constitution – but apparently you cannot take simple comments at face value. So, this is for the others here, quotes ipssisima verba from the Founders:

            Samuel Adams
            Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.

            Will of Samuel Adams
            Charles Carroll
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            On the mercy of my Redeemer I rely for salvation and on His merits; not on the works I have done in obedience to His precepts.

            From an autographed letter in our possession written by Charles Carroll to Charles W. Wharton, Esq., on September 27, 1825, from Doughoragen, Maryland.
            William Cushing
            First Associate Justice Appointed by George Washington to the Supreme Court
            Sensible of my mortality, but being of sound mind, after recommending my soul to Almighty God through the merits of my Redeemer and my body to the earth . . .

            Will of William Cushing
            John Dickinson
            Signer of the Constitution
            Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

            Will of John Dickinson
            John Hancock
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            I John Hancock, . . . being advanced in years and being of perfect mind and memory-thanks be given to God-therefore calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing it is appointed for all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make and ordain this my last will and testament…Principally and first of all, I give and recommend my soul into the hands of God that gave it: and my body I recommend to the earth . . . nothing doubting but at the general resurrection I shall receive the same again by the mercy and power of God. . .

            Will of John Hancock
            Patrick Henry
            Governor of Virginia, Patriot
            This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.
            Will of Patrick Henry
            John Jay
            First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court
            Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings, and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved son. He has been pleased to bless me with excellent parents, with a virtuous wife, and with worthy children. His protection has companied me through many eventful years, faithfully employed in the service of my country; His providence has not only conducted me to this tranquil situation but also given me abundant reason to be contented and thankful. Blessed be His holy name!

            Will of John Jay
            Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
            Signer of the Constitution
            In the name of God, Amen. I, Daniel of Saint Thomas Jenifer . . . of dispossing mind and memory, commend my soul to my blessed Redeemer. . .

            Will of Daniel St. Thomas Jenifer
            Henry Knox
            Revolutionary War General, Secretary of War
            First, I think it proper to express my unshaken opinion of the immortality of my soul or mind; and to dedicate and devote the same to the supreme head of the Universe – to that great and tremendous Jehovah, – Who created the universal frame of nature, worlds, and systems in number infinite . . . To this awfully sublime Being do I resign my spirit with unlimited confidence of His mercy and protection . . .

            Will of Henry Knox
            John Langdon
            Signer of the Constitution
            In the name of God, Amen. I, John Langdon, . . . considering the uncertainty of life and that it is appointed unto all men once to die [Hebrews 9:27], do make, ordain and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, that is to say-First: I commend my soul to the infinite mercies of God in Christ Jesus, the beloved Son of the Father, who died and rose again that He might be the Lord of the dead and of the living . . . professing to believe and hope in the joyful Scripture doctrine of a resurrection to eternal life . . .

            Will of John Langdon
            John Morton
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            With an awful reverence to the great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, I, John Morton . . . being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory-thanks be given to Almighty God for the same, for all His mercies and favors-and considering the certainty of death and the uncertainty of the times thereof, do, for the settling of such temporal estate as it hath pleased God to bless me with in this life . . .

            Will of John Morton
            Robert Treat Paine
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.

            Robert Treat Paine, The Papers of Robert Treat Paine, Stephen Riley and Edward Hanson, editors (Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 1992), Vol. I, p. 48, March/April, 1749.
            [W]hen I consider that this instrument contemplates my departure from this life and all earthly enjoyments and my entrance on another state of existence, I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of his providential goodness and his forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state, acknowledging with grateful remembrance the happiness I have enjoyed in my passage through a long life. . .

            Will of Robert Treat Paine
            Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
            Signer of the Constitution
            To the eternal, immutable, and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever, Amen!. . .

            Will of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
            Rufus Putnam
            Revolutionary War General, First Surveyor General of the United States
            [F]irst, I give my soul to a holy, sovereign God Who gave it in humble hope of a blessed immortality through the atonement and righteousness of Jesus Christ and the sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit. My body I commit to the earth to be buried in a decent Christian manner. I fully believe that this body shall, by the mighty power of God, be raised to life at the last day; ‘for this corruptable (sic) must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality.’ [I Corinthians 15:53]

            Will of Rufus Putnam
            Benjamin Rush
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            My only hope of salvation is in the infinite, transcendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly!

            Benjamin Rush, The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, George Corner, editor (Princeton: Princeton University Press for the American Philosophical Society, 1948), p. 166, Travels Through Life, An Account of Sundry Incidents & Events in the Life of Benjamin Rush.
            Roger Sherman
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Signer of the Constitution
            I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. . . . that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are a revelation from God. . . . that God did send His own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners, and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the Gospel offer.

            Lewis Henry Boutell, The Life of Roger Sherman (Chicago: A. C. McClurg and Company, 1896), pp. 272-273.
            Richard Stockton
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion, such as the Being of God, the universal defection and depravity of human nature, the divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior, the necessity of the operations of the Divine Spirit, of Divine Faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life, and the universality of the divine Providence, but also . . . that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom; that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state; that all occasions of vice and immorality is injurious either immediately or consequentially, even in this life; that as Almighty God hath not been pleased in the Holy Scriptures to prescribe any precise mode in which He is to be publicly worshiped, all contention about it generally arises from want of knowledge or want of virtue.

            Will of Richard Stockton
            Jonathan Trumbull Sr.
            Governor of Connecticut, Patriot
            Principally and first of all, I bequeath my soul to God the Creator and Giver thereof, and body to the Earth . . . nothing doubting but that I shall receive the same again at the General Resurrection thro the power of Almighty God; believing and hoping for eternal life thro the merits of my dear, exalted Redeemer Jesus Christ.

            Will of Jonathan Trumbull
            John Witherspoon
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            I entreat you in the most earnest manner to believe in Jesus Christ, for there is no salvation in any other [Acts 4:12]. . . . [I]f you are not reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, if you are not clothed with the spotless robe of His righteousness, you must forever perish.

            John Witherspoon, The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. V, pp. 276, 278, The Absolute Necessity of Salvation Through Christ, January 2, 1758.

          • Another category mistake, the result of incomplete reasoning. The Barbary Treaties are merely a diplomatic document meant to secure peace. I am utterly sorry I glanced at this post. They are clearly not thoroughly thought thru, and I will ensure that I don’t even glance as these posts of yours going forward. No insult intended; rather, they just contain no actual information, and are, to me, just a waste of time.

            Following the massive number of quotes I just cited, it is clear that the US was founded, not a theocracy, but clearly as a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles. You make the most elementary category mistakes, as I have seen before.

            The Founders prohibited the establishment of a national religion. They did not mean to eradicate all religious symbolism or presuppositions; rather, they merely desired that one religious denomination not persecute the other and violate their unalienable rights.

            And just for those who do have intellectual honesty, a few more quotes from our “non-Christian” founders:

            “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. … Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths…” —President George Washington (1796)

            “Your love of liberty — your respect for the laws — your habits of industry — and your practice of the moral and religious obligations, are the strongest claims to national and individual happiness.” —George Washington, letter to the Residents of Boston, 1789

            “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. — George Washington

            John Quincy Adams (1767-1848), son of President John and Abigail Adams, was our sixth U.S. President (1825-1829). A distinguished statesman, Adams became the only U.S. President to retire and run for the House of Representatives, where for 17 more years he led the fight to end human slavery. Excerpts from his July 4, 1837 Independence Day Speech to the people of Newburyport, Mass.:
            Why is it that (Christians with contradictory doctrinal views) unite with all their brethren… year after year,” in celebrating this, the birthday of the nation? Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence… laid the corner stone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity, and gave to the world the first irrevocable pledge of the fulfilment of the prophecies, announced directly from Heaven at the birth of the Savior and predicted by the greatest of the Hebrew prophets six hundred years before?

            “Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other. The divine law, as discovered by reason and the moral sense, forms an essential part of both.” –James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791

            “The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights.” –George Washington, to the Annual meeting of Quakers, 1789

            “Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” –George Washington (Farewell Address, 1796)

            “In such a performance you may lay the foundation of national happiness only in religion, not by leaving it doubtful “whether morals can exist without it,” but by asserting that without religion morals are the effects of causes as purely physical as pleasant breezes and fruitful seasons.” –Benjamin Rush, letter to John Adams, 1811

            •George Washington: ”Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor.

            •Benjamin Franklin: “”I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?”

            •Thomas Jefferson: “The God Who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.”

            •Alexander Hamilton: “The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

            “So great is my veneration for the Bible that the earlier my children begin to read it the more confident will be my hope that they will prove useful citizens of their country and respectable members of society. I have for many years made it a practice to read through the Bible once every year.” – John Quincy Adams

            Adams wrote a series of letters to his son on “The Bible and its Teachings” which were published in the New York Tribune, in which he stated: “I have myself for many years made it a practice to read through the Bible once every year. I have always endeavored to read it with the same spirit and temper of mind which I now recommend to you; that is, with the intention and desire that it contribute to my advancement in wisdom and virtue … My custom is, to read four or five chapters every morning, immediately after rising form my bed. It employs about an hour of my time, and seems to me the most suitable manner of beginning the day.”

            That “wall of separation” scam? Here is the full quote from Jefferson: “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to a Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association, 1802

            • @test

              Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

              In other words, if it can benefit a leader, said leader can and will use religion as a tool of persuasion. If all of the quotes above including the ones I posted are legit, guess what, it would provide evidence they are doing just that. It’s not like politicians haven’t been doing this since the beginning of time.
              One could also take into consideration that the wide variations in the quotes of the Founding Fathers might indicate some type of shenanigans. Like fake news. I have found multiple quotes posted as originated by one of the Founding Fathers that were discredited.
              Many of these have been proven to be misleading and false and have a tendency to support a cause. Religion, gun rights. Attributing a phrase to someone who didn’t say it seeking credibility for a cause is pretty much a lie. Really worse than a lie. More fake news.

              Keep the faith.

        • More fuel to the fire…

          “I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.”
          –Thomas Jefferson

          “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, — as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims], — and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

          All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. Thomas Paine
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          “Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance,” he continued. “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
          Concluded Madison, “We are teaching the world the great truth that governments do better without kings and nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of government.”

          It seems that a large number of our “Founding Fathers” were in fact a bit less inclined to push religion into our lives than most would think.

          Any religion always decays into a corrosive and virulent organization led by psyco and sociopathic creatures vying for power and avarice. Always.
          Faith however, is a different story altogether.

      10. One thing in common with most of these mall problems are
        members of the african-american community. That culture is
        and will continue to be a major problem for all of us.

        • All these different dramas plus many others have that fact in common.

        • Menzo, I appreciate the sarcasm. Multiculturalism is ruining this nation.

        • Rellik, agreed. the black community is the problem.

        • I hardly ever saw blacks here before,, but now seeing them more and more, thats fine, but know our island home is changing, lots more mexicans too, first they come here, then they bring their bullshit, sorta like all the damn mainland transplants we have now, they come, then they want to change it to be like wherever they came from,,,

        • That, in turn, Rellik, is predicated on the **dissolution of the family**. Where there are no fathers, boys go wild. We are now starting to see that in white, Hispanic and Asian subcultures as well . Abortion, feminazism, amoral (i.e., people don’t even have a philosophical basis for moral), cultural degradation – that hit the black family first, and you see the results. It is spreading now to other strata of society.

          Where did this come from? Decades ago, communist Antonio Gramsci told the evil left to not take on the US militarily, but rather destroy the culture. Result? the Kartrashians, Lady Kaka, Miley Cysleaze, Mahdoona “BJ for a Hilary vote” and worse.

          As Charleton Heston said:

          “Modern media fills the cultural airwaves with a mist of anesthesia, so that principles and values are slowly desensitized to the coming onslaught. The new culture arrives on the heels of this propaganda. It simply moves in and takes over, slipping like a fine new glove over a numbed hand. The outcome of the war is just as devastating, but without bombs bursting, twisted bodies to bury, or rubble to rebuild. A new class, a different culture, simply take over.”

          Sex in the City or Will and Grace, anyone??

          • Test, appreciate all your posts, thanks and keep up the good work.

            • FOOK DO I REALLY HAVE TO POINT THIS OUT AGAIN? If we never had abortions what would the population be? If knee grows had a few million (by now about 25 million) more unwanted consuming zombie gang banging criminal, thug, leeches that have 0 morals and breed like rabbits and rob and murder for a living, pieces of human shit! DAMN ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT? Abortion was the best thing to ever hit the planet and help save it and humanity! It’s the next best thing to a thing called RESPONSIBILITY! If you disagree then take the little kneegrows into YOUR FOOKING HOUSE AND YOU PAY FOR THEM YOU GOD DAMNED HYPOCRITES!

              • Abortion is murder and against God’s law, except when the health of the mother is jeapardized.

                If you or I had been aborted our posts would not grace this site. Thanks be to God that our respective mothers thought otherwise.

                Only Holy Love will save our planet, not hatred.

                God bless you all.

                – the Lone Ranger

                • May they all move in with you and be saved lol. Pay up or shut up. Don’t foist their shit on me. Ohhh my bad, I should support communism and pay my share for my own demise. YOUR A FOOKING RETARD!

                  • Only Holy Love will save our planet, not hatred.

                    Are you insane? Depopulation is the only thing that will save our planet. Care to tell me how it will be saved otherwise oh enlightened one?

      11. Well it didn’t take long for the Christmas Sprit to die.
        If I’m reading this right a looking up the location of the malls. well I don’t need to go any farther with my thoughts, you know were I’m going.

        I went with my wife and sister-in-law shopping yesterday for just the reason you see above. where I live about 90 miles south/west of Chiraq we didn’t have any problems. Closer you get to Chiraq the worse it gets.

        Speaking of Chiraq. They had 11 killed and 50 wounded over the Christmas week end. That is far more than in Afghanistan, and Iraq together. I guess the Gang Bangers got more stolen guns and ammo for Christmas. Or they are doing live fire practice for the coming Riots? Oh yah! Black lives matter—“NOT” just look who killed who. Its ok it is black on black crime, and nothing will be done about it. Other than taking away our 2ND.


      12. So let them kill and beat the crap out of each other. That way the next man in the chow line can move up.

        • PO’d I agree 1000%. They made their bed, let them lay in it. Don’t even respond to their shit, let them do the world a favor and extinquish themselves. Good riddance I say!

      13. They are being arrested because of racism.

      14. Malls Erupt in Violence: “Chaotic Panic and Everybody Running All At Once”

        Minus the Cops … “where ‘da White People at?” … Oh nevermind … so this is what Big City Living is all about ‘eh?

        • Dey din do nuffin

      15. If you are living in ANY American toxic metro cesspool of violence plagued hell just loaded with dumbed down toxic dump American cowards, and you have the ability to get out, but you stay for the money to buy useless shit for the children you really do not care about, then at some point you have to come to the realization you are literally, completely, certifiably, and without any doubt whatsoever…BATSHIT INSANE!!!!!

        • 10-4 on that Ronson lol.

      16. FTW, I stay away from the malls altogether. If one of those young black thugs touched me, he/she WILL get hurt in self-defense, period. I don’t even care what someone’s law says about that.

        • “I stay away from the malls altogether.”

          Same here Brave –

          It’s probably been a good 25+ years since I’ve stepped foot inside of one … and I have no intentions of going to one anytime soon – they simply have nothing to offer me.

      17. Reuters: Monte dei Paschi di Siena, Italy’s third-largest lender Can’t get any private dough, so next stop is the taxpayers.

        Hey, I’m rich, aren’t you? Surely we all have extra money to bail out yet more bad bets by the big gov’t types and central planners (y’know…. the same central planners that gave us the USSR, Venezeula, the EU mess, etc.

        But hey, Deutsche Bank will beat ’em to the finish line of bankruptcy. And BTW, all you violent types posting here, the battle is one for the mind. Let’s all try some non-violence as the way forward, ok?

      18. Mall violence is promoted in order to end cash payment for goods. If you can only buy on line, you are screwed. Global agenda.


        • I don’t do online purchasing…porch pirates.

      19. As an intolerant WASP going on 60 years old , I see that the media has totally omitted the details in the stories as to the racial makup of all of the groups causing the fights in all of these malls. Yea, I know I am a racist for even noticing such a thing. The more this kind of crap goes on with out there being some consequenses , will just lead to larger & more widespread outbreaks. The real problem will be when some old woman white guy decides that he is not getting Beat up & pulls out his concealed piece & drops a couple of these thugs. Then the BLM folks & the media will be having “kittens” regarding what happened. I fear it is just a matter of time. They already know that if you swarm a locating with a flash mob , they can steal 1/2 the store & have little chance of being arrested. Only a matter of time before they coordinate by social media to hit several shoping areas in one area and the same time & totally overwhelm the local law enforcements ability to respond to multiple incidents at once. After that it will be game on & no law abiding citizen will feel safe going anywhere. I hope I am wrong ……..

        • I’ll say it. It’s the entitled, savage ass nigg ers.

          • Just a few of us that know how to operate could kill them by the dozens when need be.

            • Make abortions and sterilization MANDATORY for welfare recipients. There’s your answer to this shit (or is that above your head?)

              • The part that goes over your head is how to legislate that little trick. Killing them all would be easier.

        • RT1957, welcome back. I’m also pushing 60 myself. I’m afraid you will be right about all of it. BTW, I call the BLM Black CRIMINAL Lives Matter because that’s all they really are. The black flash mobs have already been operating via social media for a long time. If any of those thugs attack me, they die.

          • @ BH1776 : Thanks Bud. I am on almost every day, just don’t post alot . Just not interested in getting involved in the petty personal attacks put out by the libtard trolls. Like yourself I have carried for many years. I know how to use it. While I pray that I never have to take another human’s life…. if it comes down to needing to use deadly force to protect myself, or the guy standing next to me at the convenience store, they are toast. I told my wife years ago that I will not bargain with a thug. I will not surrender my firearn… period. So be ready to duck because I’m going for the head shot. If they get me, then I guess I’m too old & slow. But as a Free Man , I can die only once. The cowards & slaves will die a thousand times. These folks do not understand that once the genie is out of the bottle, it will be impossible to put him back in. I don’t want anything from anyone. Just leave me alone. If they force my hand, all I can say is God forgive me for my sins… I Pray that 2017 will be a better year for all Americans. May you find good health & peace !

            • RT1957, best wishes to you also. I’m the same way. I don’t really want to take a life if it can be avoided. But nowadays it looks more and more likely to be probable. I never talk to thugs myself. I’ve already been victimized several times in my life, losing things I had to scrape and struggle to get the money in order to buy them, only to lose them to sorry-assed black thugs. No, I won’t go singing ‘Kumbaya’ and fall in love with anyone who has bad intentions toward me. I’ll do whatever I consider necessary and I won’t call 911 either.



        Obama, you helped to build that. Because cultural Marxism.


          Yea … I’m tired of all this White On White Crime that has imploded across this country. It’s truly sickening how these undesirable, deplorable, & racist these White people are – it’s dragging America down – Obama our Savior should be doing something about it. ツ

      21. Old woman or white guy …
        Sorry , fat fingers

      22. This is all organized online and financed. There is more to come. You notice its only kids doing this. Arrest them, punish the hell out of them,mommy and daddy won’t. No safe spaces in jail. Let’s see how many repeat this behavior. Lets have some curfews and random searches like they used to have in New York City. Call me racist…I don’t care what color these juveniles are.

      23. I watched that great conservative cable channel, FOX News this AM. They claimed it was bargain hunters fighting over after Christmas stuff on sale. Talk about fake news. I’m in Illinois, near Chicago. North Riverside Mall had many fights and reports of shots fired outside and didn’t even make the news. Gurnee Mall and Fox Valley Mall had mobs fighting. It was entirely black teens who organized these events on Facebook. And guess what? There isn’t any school for at least another week. Oh, and in the middle of the fighting they did a lot of grab and runs in the stores. Five finger discount. Diversity is your enemy.

      24. people with concealed carry permits need to start carrying more ammo

        • Not…necessarily. the overwhelming majority of these ThugPar-tays, in retail locations are the Brainchild of the Soros Family and their various foundations and “social justice organizations”, funded solely by George Soros and his family members.
          Having been in the 1992 Los Angeles RodneyKingFestival, I can attest that when confronted with a determined adversary that is armed, this thug-demographic is prone to running as far and as fast away as their legs can carry them. While it is far easier for the MSM Hypocrites to intentinonally fail to recognize this tribal warfare for exactly what it is, instead they fall slavishly into lock-step with Soros and his fellow ProgressiveSlavePlantationMassas, to further enslave Black America, because of their own innate bigotry. You see, Progressives and Democrats actually THINK, Margaret Sanger IS right after all. Black America has been fed the line of horse excrement for so long, they cannot recognize truth, except for a very few. Need more proof? Just listen to the esteemed Maxine Water-D, from Los Angeles. Her rhetoric speaks volumes about the SlaveMasters’ true agenda.

      25. Folks,just look at this as a warning and example to those who think prepping not worth it.This in times of plenty,imagine this with a sputtering dead economy/ebt card crash ect.

        As always,when is the last time you heard someone say”I have too much ammunition”,so,add a few personal stocking stuffers under the tree this year.

        • I have too much ammunition. There I said it lol. Wanna buy some?

          • Sigh……,synapses not firing?/congnative dysfunction?/”moist mind”?.These are the only reasons could see one making such a mentally challenged statement as you did!I have a good idea the reasoning(?)behind said statement but as the New Year approaches and we are still in the holiday spirit am trying very hard not to make certain comments,but,this discipline/act of kindness can only last so long before it causes Warchild irreparable harm,something I will not allow!

            • Gee I offer to sell you ALL the federal ammo I have and this is what I get? How disparaging 🙁

              • The sounds of a lost cause are evident when you play the ‘disparagement”card!

      26. I can’t believe what I’ve read. Y’all think it’s all it’s all people. I’m tired of this racist shit. Grow up, problems in our lives are caused by other people.the fact that you point out their race is just childish. These are areas of a high black population,yes. Everywhere had it’s majorities and minorities. But these mass panics can happen anywhere and many were caused by suspected guns being seen. The fact is that tensions were high, too many people, and we are all sheep when given a command.

        • You are silly! Thanks for the belly laugh!

          • You are also a moron. Check the stats, kneegrows have a waaaaayyy higher percentage of crime per capita. But ya, thanks for the laff oh retarded one lol.

            • Genius, that’s right. Black males commit 75% of all homicides in the US and 95% of the victims are other black people. That’s FBI and DOJ statistics.

            • Hey dumbass. Fuck you.

              • Not you braveheart. The dumbass is genius although he is not even of average intelligence.

        • YouRacistMook:

          It’s not just Blacks, it’s all people; you mean: “ALL LIVES MATTER”.

          Holy Moly, I think you got it.

          Yea, there are some white criminal idiots; but, most violence is acted on whites, not by whites.

          White people have been putting up and shutting up for years. It is over. Whites have reached the end of their rope. Get out of the way. There is a whole lot of payback coming due. The establishment that allowed and promoted this crap is going down. You and your black people are mere pawns in a much larger game. You don’t know what you are talking about, because you have been the recipient of victim justification mentality brainwashing.


          • You tell em B!

        • Really? Then please post a video from this weekend’s mall violence from a white town with white people fighting. Just one. You cant, because it didn’t happen. Here is another challenge – name just ONE majority black city that is prospering and doesn’t have a crime problem. Again, just one. Crickets….

        • Sorry, that’s just not true. This behavior is not equal across all demographics. Some groups just have a higher propensity for violence.

        • YMK
          “problems in our lives are caused by other people”
          I just love people that blame everyone but them self and there kind.
          Why don’t you wake up. Chiraq had 61 shot and 11 dead. ALL BLACK ON BLACK! Now you tell me where the problem is?


          • The problem Sarge,is at least with the gangs they are not for most part best of shots,they were they would not be hitting bystanders and thus culling themselves out fairly quickly!

            On a more serious note many gangs have sent folks into military to learn about firearms/training,and yes,even some discipline,many get out and have quit the gang,many rejoin gang and are training other members,in a real breakdown the organized gangs could actually be a very serious problem compared to what we see now.

          • Sarge, AMEN to that. I don’t know where YMK has been, but it’s not the real world.

        • HICKS- Is that YOU!? You cant spell or type for SHIT! LOL!

          To your point of “racism”- its not raaaaaaaaacist to call out that niggers be niggin’! That’s what they do. Bunch of pavement apes that will get put down on the pavement when the time comes. You can take the ape/monkey out of the jungle, but you cant take the jungle out of the ape/monkey!

          • My comments “awaiting moderation” is fucking retarded!!

          • DMONIC, I’ll give you top marks for your post despite what happened on that last thread. I’m in the middle of a freakin’ jungle and know all too well.

        • Oops ! I guess I overlooked the videos of the white Kids rioting in the white area malls ! Please post the links so I can be educated ! I have a 3 year old mut. He is smart enough to know that you don’t poop where you live. Be heads off to the tall grass wher we don not walk. We have 5 horses. They know not to poop where they sleep. They go over under a tree where the grass does not grow. I think that if the average white kid was going to ransack a mall , they would do it far away, not Rodney right in downtown ” Crackerville ” . Some folks just dont understand that if you chase the local stores away…. then you cant whine that all the nice stores are out in the “burbs” . That & if I see someone stealing , I let security know regardless of what color they are. Crooks deserve to be punished regardless if they are family , neighbors , or crackers. Maybe some other folks should give that a try ! Just Sayin …:

      27. True. What color they are does not matter. The law should apply to everyone equally … but it does not, Just like the news. The. Clintons , and John Corzines , and the BLM , snowflake libs do not have to worry. It is just just the working class Conservatives that have to ” toe the line” or the boot comes down on their throat. That will continue to work until the work until these folks decide that they no longer have anything to lose . If / when that day arrives, fhe SHTF will truly happen . They say that someone protecting their home or family is more dangerous than a paid soldier. Well once that guy feels that he has nothing left to lose , I think he is even more dangerous . It is called payback time. I pray that I never get there. While I am hopeful that Trump can turn things around , the deck sure seems stacked against him. What kind of organized mayhem happens on inauguration day .. will give us a good read on coming attractions . Be safe Ya’ll !

      28. A friend of mine was arrested last week for Aggravated Assault. He is facing 3-15 years in prison. What happened? A 17 year old girl cut in front of him in a line at McDonalds. He put his hand on her shoulder and said “EXCUSE ME DEAR, BUT THE LINE STARTS BEHIND ME”. She called the police on her cell phone and said she had been “groped” by a pervert. The police showed up, viewed the security camera footage, and arrested him. That’s right…..for just putting his hand on her shoulder. Because she is a minor, and he is an adult, the assault is elevated to aggravated by default. This is why your seeing the total breakdown of our society. And no, Mr TRUMP is not going to be able to fix this. America is no longer. You now live in a totalitarian police state, whether you believe it or not.!!!!!!

        • The pigs that arrested him should be ummmm… dealt with.

      29. So this is what we’ve come to. An uncivilized nation.

      30. As I’ve stated before Immoral and Free can never be! The more immoral we become the more laws that are needed to keep things in check and its a never ending circle until we are totally enslaved. God gave us the 10 Commandments to live by for our own good, and as more and more people reject Him and His Commandments the less Free we become. Trekker Out.

        • And that is very true. Morals = responsibility, most have neither so were fooked…

      31. Gun Free Zones for us law abiding citizens

      32. Had a shitty day and decided to watch a movie. If I ever watch anything it’s usually documentaries or something to gain a little education or knowledge. The movie is called God Bless America. Made in 2011. This guy is definitely fed up with miliniel bullshit.Check it out.

      33. Founders vs. Zeus on the Christian underpinnings of the US. You decide:

        How many signers of the Declaration were ministers?
        Many were trained as ministers, but at the time of the signing of the Declaration, only a few were active in ministry. For example John Witherspoon was serving as a minister at that time; Robert Treat Paine served as a military chaplain during the Revolution; and Lyman Hall had served as a minister before the Revolution; etc. However, there are many others who should also be noted for their ministry work, including Francis Hopkinson, a church music director and choir leader who edited a famous American hymnbook; Roger Sherman, who wrote the doctrinal creed for his denomination in Connecticut; Benjamin Rush, who started Sunday School in America and founded the country’s first Bible Society; James Wilson, who had been trained as a clergyman in Scotland but became an attorney, teaching students the Biblical basis of civil law; and many others.

        *******In fact, at least 29 of the signers had been trained in schools whose primary purpose was the preparation of ministers, including John Adams, Samuel Adams, Carter Braxton, Charles Carroll, William Ellery, Elbridge Gerry, Lyman Hall, John Hancock, Benjamin Harrison, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Francis Hopkinson, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Lewis, Philip Livingston, Thomas Lynch, Arthur Middleton, Lewis Morris, Thomas Nelson Jr., William Paca, Robert Treat Paine, Benjamin Rush, James Smith, Richard Stockton, William Williams, James Wilson, John Witherspoon, Oliver Wolcott, and George Wythe. They attended universities and seminaries of learning such as Harvard, Yale, William and Mary, Princeton, Cambridge, and Westminster.****

        How much of this did Zeus know? I’ll let him answer for himself. As noted, I will ensure I don’t even glance at his further posts, as they indicate to me someone who is not willing to show full intellectual diligence (so don’t expect any response going forward, as I won’t be seeing anything written. My time is too valuable).

      34. Oh, and I forgot: If we examine the constitutions of the various states, we find in them a constant recognition of religious obligations. Every constitution of every one of the 44 states (when there were 44) contains language which, either directly or by clear implication, recognizes a profound reverence for religion, and an assumption that its influence in all human affairs is essential to the well-being of the community.

      35. How to fix the fake news problem. Unplug TV from electrical outlet.
        Cancel basic TV with provider. If just 10% of Merika did that it would be a major body blow to the MSM.

        These are all crisis actors and they are paid to perform.
        Most likely funded by your good pal George Soar Ooze.

        Most average people don’t have the money to go out and buy things.
        Again more BS drama for. Lies 24/7 365. Lies for breakfast lunch and dinner. We are slaves.

      36. Fellas the country is lost . When my generation dies of(maybe before) the country will implode. My guess it will break up into about 3-5 parts. The indoctrinated millennial s could give a shit about, the Constitution, morality, religion OR Patriotism. Someone explain to me how America survives without these pillars. As for our racial problems, I can’t even begin to see how we solve them. We can’t even have a rational discussion on race much less get to the point where we are actually discussing solutions. Our government is corrupt, our schools illiterate, and our society hedonistic and immoral. NOBODY can stop it, our decline has reached terminal velocity. The Trump Presidency will accelerate this process, especially if he actually tries to do anything about the rot that has set in. I keep hearing all this bullshit about (bringing us together) when vast swaths of the population don’t want to bind together in a common interest. The social compact is shattered. Rome isn’t burning it’s burnt.

        • BigBlueDrew

          You are right. The foundation is so fractured it can not support the country. The country will become like a rabid dog chewing on its own body.

        • You said it perfectly, America has been over for quite some time. The American people are like deranged cowards still in the stands cheering long after one of their “bread and circuses” sporting events is long over, and their disease ridden dumbed down team of drunken bum toxic dump American cowards lost a long, long, long time ago!!!

      37. Well put. “True, Drew!”

      38. Just one more reason I stay away from malls.
        Besides; prices aren’t usually that great anyway.

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