Killing, Dying, and Death: “A Combat Mindset and Acceptance of the Horrors of War”

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    Killing, Dying, and Death – Part I, by M.H.

    combatThis article will be on something that is rarely talked about but nevertheless is a fact of life and certainly a major fact in a TEOTWAWKI type situation. It’s the combat mindset of killing, dying, and death. This includes getting a handle on killing bad people; you dying; your wife, husband, or kids dying; and the fear of death. Most importantly, it also includes the fear of killing. It will hopefully shatter all the theories and misconceptions people have from Hollywood, or from “experts” who have never killed or risked being killed. While not particularly thought of as a skill set by most, without a combat mindset and acceptance of the horrors of war, all of the other skills will render themselves useless the moment one is confronted with a horrific event, such as watching one’s spouse get shot in the head.

    Everyone is an expert these days. A young teenager I had hired to help me build some fence and I were discussing ballistics and he was arguing for this caliber and that, based on what he had been told by others. I asked him how many of those people had killed people before. He stated that they were all in the military; I repeated my question, to which the answer was “I don’t know”. Remember folks, if your veteran buddy was a grunt, it does not necessarily mean he EVER saw any action, let alone was in close combat.

    I will use actual events I have experienced to demonstrate the reality of some of the points I want you to grasp. Are the examples I use the standard all the time? Of course not, but it should make you think!

    Death and Dying.

    Most people are scared of dying. From young to old, we fear death or the thought of its occurrence in one way or another. Some family of mine never want to talk about what will happen when they die, nor choose to make a will, thereby they are leaving a mess for their children, because they won’t handle this “stressful” topic. My mother-in-law asked me one day about what she should do if somebody came into her house. I told her my opinion. She decided it best to just go out the back door. Then I asked, “What if my kids are spending the night in the other bedroom?” Oh boy, it’s no longer a simple option. Well, that resulted in her ending the conversation with “I don’t want to think about it”. I fear getting burned to death. That has just got to stink. I don’t fear other common forms of death, nor the thought of dying. I do fear what could happen to my family after my death, which was a variable I did not have while in the military. That variable is scary to think about, since a social collapse could result in very unfriendly conditions for my wife and two kiddos after my demise. However, I cannot let that fear hold me back, or it will consume me. I accept that I will die and so will my family. Personally, I believe that if I endure till the end (as stated repeatedly by Jesus) in the way of righteousness, I will go to heaven after death. Regardless of faith or lack thereof, accept the fact of death and focus on making sure it is not in vain.

    Having seen charcoaled bodies and bloated bodies laying out in the sun, having shot a man in the head and watched the top of his skull disappear and his brains spill all over the floor, having walked through pools of blood, having seen dead men and women (thankfully no children) laying in the streets of Fallujah, I will tell you it is not a glorious sight as portrayed in the movies. Is it something I sit at home and cry over or even dwell over? No. Though, having seen it and knowing the ignorance of the masses regarding the horrors of war or whatever you may call it, I want you the reader– the man, woman, or teen reading this– to recognize and accept that there will be horror, dead bodies in the streets, mobs that will tear people to pieces, bombs dropping on YOUR house, blowing your little girl to pieces. Oh, no? You say, “I have a bunker and my kids will be safe.” They may; they may not. If not, and your fantasy prepper world goes to hell in a hand basket because you did not have time to get to your bunker, and you watch your child bleed out, you may potentially render yourself utterly useless to the rest of your family, since you’re likely to be so emotionally distraught that you cannot even think, while the post-bombing team is lining up at your door to clean up the survivors. Accept it now. It will not be easy, nor pleasant to think about, but I beg of you not to deny reality and risk more losses by your denial.


    It seems that some folks have a huge issue with killing people. If you are truly convicted in your mind that you will not kill anyone for whatever reason, it does save you the cost and trouble of weapons. For those who don’t have a specific conviction, remember that life is not to be taken lightly. It is one man fighting for his cause against another fighting for his, however good or evil those causes may be. Yet, if you know in your heart that your cause is just and right, the man who comes against you should not be thought of more than the time it takes to eliminate him. Why? Because you are the good guy, and he is the evil guy. If you want to think about the decisions he made in life that resulted in him being a bad guy, give it a few days, or until hostilities are over before you lend yourself to doubt.

    Easy enough you say? No problem killing all the bad guys that come along? You are just going to pretend they are all zombies and never bat an eye. Fair enough, but let’s take it a few steps further: Let’s pretend we are in Nazi-controlled Holland at the moment; the Nazi party has been established and is recruiting young men and women into the ranks in what starts out as harmless roles. A year later these young people are committing atrocities. Your nephew had joined the Nazi party. You know he has knowledge of your family’s beliefs, which will likely result in your death, as well as the deaths of your wife and two other children and the eight Jews you have hiding on your farm. Would you kill your nephew to protect the other lives? What if we replace your nephew with your son? Killing bad guys just got real in your mind, I hope. I’m not going to tell you what I would do, or what you should do, other than that you should think about it, because that type of situation has happened many times in the last 100 years and will happen again someday. Tribes are formed, people band together for both good and evil, and sometimes people you know and care about may join up with the evil.

    Getting killed

    Everybody is a tough guy while standing around their buddies. Few are tough when their buddies have been killed or the odds are not in their favor anymore. While a grunt in the “Battle of Fallujah”, I saw this repeatedly. Another young Marine was with me on the roof of a mosque one night posting security, and he said “I just want to go home; I am scared.” Not without reason, mind you, the closest the average American has gotten to that level of chaos is fireworks on the 4th of July. Another Marine crapped his pants. Yet, another crawled under a Humvee rather than use his machine gun for suppressive fire. One of our E-4s, a big ‘roided up dude, kicked in a door for me one time; I ran into the dark room with my gun light on to find a man hiding in the far corner with his AK still pointing at the ground. Mine was up and ready, and therefore he lost his life instead of me. After about six rounds rapidly sent into his chest, two other guys started coming up from behind a bed. Do you think the big, tough, smack talking, steroid-using powerlifter came in to help me out? No, he did not. The same Marine Corporal was very tough and aggressive when there was 10 of us shooting at one unlucky insurgent, who had no chance off inflicting damage on him. Another time our squad was split into two teams, each team would take a side of the street, and we just went down the road clearing houses. Seeing my counterpart point man, SS, who has since passed from an IED, getting ready to go into a courtyard, I waited to make sure they got in “okay” before going into my house. SS went through the door, followed by two other Marines, when SS started shooting. I cannot recall if I was heading across the road to assist the moment the shooting started or after I saw the first Marine run out, since it happened rather quickly, but I literally RAN INTO the second Marine as he ran out of the courtyard. SS was fine, even though he was quite irate that the two left him. Also, I was the only one who ran into the courtyard out of the entire squad. I hope I have portrayed the scenario well enough to help the reader grasp what happened. Two trained Marines ran out of a courtyard leaving one of their own! One Marine out of what I recall to be about 10 at the time took immediate action! Those two cowards sure told a lot of good stories when they got stateside though. ( I will come back to this at the end of this article for a side note to the main theme). These are young men who went through a rather specific indoctrination in boot camp, two months of infantry-specific training, followed by unit training before a deployment, complete with live fire, sim rounds, et cetera. So, if you think that just because you went to a Gunsite class and read a few books that you are good to go, you may want to take things a step further. One senior Marine was especially motivating while doing MOUT training with sim rounds on an old Air Force base. I thought that for sure this guy is going to be good to go to war with! The moment we went into Fallujah that all changed. He was a coward, to put it bluntly. What were these Marines lacking? In my opinion, acceptance of death and mental training.

    The moral of the story is well summarized in the quote commonly attributed to Heraclitus: “Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn’t be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

    Part two of this article will discuss the training to make yourself the fighter!

    This informative article has been contributed by James Rawles’ widely popular Survival Blog. If you haven’t already, we urge readers to check out James Rawles’ books on preparedness and survival, including the best selling Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse and the essential guidebook How To Survive The End of the World As We Know It.


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      1. In general human nature wants life and happiness. My personal thought is when anyone or any group creates death and destructions for other without any justification rather solely based on greed and self interest, then my mind is already set to do what needs to be done and without any fear.

        • I’ve never found a black and white conflict. I’ve fought them (non-physical of course)and I can tell you, generally there’s no good guy. There’s only shades of bad. If you got into it a bit misinformed… after a point you just keep going because you have to, there’s no real way to stop without getting crushed. In my case… yes my opponent was bad. Real bad. Unfortunately, it turns out the person I was defending was probably not much better. Better? Yeah… better than THAT. Certainly. But certainly not good either, really. This maybe on three different occasions. By the time you have to make the judgement call… yeah it looks like a good idea (or THE ONLY idea… you can’t let it go on). If you’re expecting to be a hero? You’re wrong in ways I can’t describe.

          Besides that point, the whole thing about the “starving neighbor” scenario comes to mind. That just seems plainly ugly.

          I don’t think I’d be very good at this. Actually, I think if I could recover the mindset of about 15 years ago, I’d be really good at this (with the right training to make my intent useful), and that actually scares me a lot more.

          • Save the vibrato. It’s all about staying alive. Ask someone that’s been there and they will never say what you read in this article. Too many dimi-warriors on payroll!!

            • I know that WAR is coming… I feel it in the air, I cry inside, panic to no avail… hard to function to save myself and even if I could, how can you hide from bombs?

              • War is about winning over an opponent, winning at all costs. Brutality is about defeating an enemy, whether it is right or wrong that is war. Humans have not found the point to live with fairness, someone has to rule over the masses. Until this stops war will continue and the killing with just get better and better at accomplishing this goal of tyranny.

                • Good article!

                  I was struck the other day by the concept of a man I read a bit about in the news, they hunted him down. He had survived and escaped problems in the Balkins. After fighting for his families survival and ultimately escaping to the US, he now finds himself under arrest for war crimes/terrorism. I haven no knowledge of his actions or the circumstances that he survived under. What ever they were then virtually no one in our society who sits on his jury could realistically empathize with.

                  In a total SHTF situation, where you make life or death survival choices, beware your choices could later be labeled as criminal. It will also of course be interpreted by whatever political forces win control in the end. One mans freedom fighter is often another mans enemy and terrorist.

                  Shoot someone trying to rape and pillage your house in a SHTF situation will likely be seen by the bad guys family as murder of their beloved, who may want vengeance. Ten years later, society may view the incident differently, and want to suddenly hold you responsible?

                  The only advice that comes to mind is don’t get carried away in hatred, don’t do violence that is not necessary, and don’t get sloppy!

              • I agree with this article. In the LA riots, there were some of the biggest, baddest and buffest cops in the world who were ass kickers and name takers before the riots flared up. Once the violence kicked up, then those same jack asses hid in the bathroom, some wouldn’t leave the station or the bathroom. We had a huge Sgt who was marine Corps reserves, benched 350Lbs and looked massive, but when a crazy guy fired off several rounds from an M-1 Garand, all anyone saw were his asshole and elbows as he ran from the command post and left everyone there.

                In all honesty, no one knows how they are gonna react to their first, or all subsequent times, in combat. My time in the military was during peace, no trigger time there. I have one shooting in the streets (he deserved it), and the big guy with us froze and me and my partner (a 110 Lb woman) stayed in there and shot and both hit 1 for one (no praying and spraying).

                As Mark Twain used to say, it is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog. I have known way too many mall ninjas and self proclaimed experts and watched them fail when the real thing is on them. Most of my fighting over the years is hand to hand, but firefights are a reality.

                Everyone has a breaking point. Everyone has a point where you run. Fight of flight is built into all of us. That being said, train, train and train some more. when you start to hit your breaking point, you will unconsciously revert back to your training. That is why and where training is so vital. You will do things before you even know you are doing them via muscle memory.

                Just my two cents, take it or leave it.

                Keep your powder dry,

                • On the money JJ. Training has value, then experience increases that training’s value.The experience of Nam’s bush can only be described as something I never want to see or do ever again. My 1st time seeing what was a dead body was the body-bags being loaded on a plane, hopefully never again.

          • Hey! Lois Lerner says she thinks Republican conservatives are assholes and crazies!

            Gee… That hurts my feelings…….

            Worthless Bitch!

            • The picture of the camo dude in the article is the cover of the book The Fifth Option, by Jac Jacobsen. Its a great read!

            • Well, I have to agree with Lois, I am a crazy ass hole !!!

          • If you are a devout Christian, the biggest lesson in the Bible is, Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder. A big misconception is people take that for Thou Shalt Not Kill… Killing in the defense of one’s self or in protection of someone who can not defend themselves is allowed in the eyes of God. That all being said, Killing for political, or religious purposes is in its very essence wrong. Some of the bloodiest wars have been fought because one side thought that their cause was just and in the name of God. I GUARANTEE YOU, God does NOT want us to kill in his name. Nor does Jesus, Allah, Abraham, Buddah. When death is talked about, it is God that says he will smite the wicked, or the infidel ect… As for political purposes, only in defense of our homes, OR in foregin lands where people can not defend themselves against atrocities! This is in my humble opinion of course.


            • Yes, the whole “murder – kill” thing has gotten mixed up. What you state is my belief too.

            • i did a word study. it is murder, not kill.

          • I am fearless. I am battle trained by the best sources on the internet!

        • “My personal thought is when anyone or any group creates death and destructions for other without any justification rather solely based on greed and self interest, then my mind is already set to do what needs to be done and without any fear.”

          A pregnant woman deliberately aborts (or murders, if you will) her unborn baby due to self interest.

          Given this, you said, “… then my mind is already set to do what needs to be done and without any fear.”

          What has your fearless mind set out to do in these widespread cases?

          • FS….Excellent point. However my comment was more toward a macro level / global basis via economic or unjust wars causing death and devastation to millions of the innocent kids and defenseless adults for greed and self interest. Although I am pro life but I’ll let God to decide on the individual punishment of the misguided souls.

          • I personally try and guide my life by God’s Word. First let me say that I very often fail at that, but to succeed you must truly be steeped in His word. God says not to fear man who can only destroy the body, but to fear God who can destroy the body and the soul. I know this is easier said than done, just as His Word also says, don’t fear the beast of the field, but many people that I knew back in Missourah where there wasn’t much to fear in the woods, was ready to get out of them before dark if they heard a coyote howl,”lol” try walking in the mountains where there are many big cats, wolves and grizzlies. But just because God says it, doesn’t neccesarily make it easy, it takes mental effort and faith in God to overcome these fears. As for killing an enemy we must also be guided by God, if we’re in his will we will know when that time comes. Just as his word says there is a time to kill and a time to heal, a time for war and a time for peace. Please read Ecclesiastes Chap.3 Vs.1 thru 8 in the Holy Bible. Trekker Out. Magna est veritas et praevalet!

            • The soul is a part of the Holy Spirit (God). that’s why I don’t read the Bible too much– full of contradictions. Yeah, I used to when was young and it does have some good stuff– esp about Jesus. But, just too many contradictions. God is Love.

              • Anon sorry to disagree and I’ll not argue the Bible, but there is no contradictions in all of the Bible. There are people that misunderstand scripture but there are no contradictions. Just as you stated and I quote ” The soul is part of the Holy Spirit(God)”. This is an error, everyone has a soul, but not everyone has the Holy Spirit. You are born with a soul, but you do not receive the Holy Spirit until you ” are born again and excepth Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior”. Trekker Out. That All May Believe!

        • I want to start my own bottled water like Ozarks. It’s going to come straight from the rainforests of Africa and be called “Ebola”.

          • Ozarka not Ozarks

          • Off Topic, Just in – German Investigative Experts conclude the MH17 Malaysian Jet was shot down by Ukrainian Military Aircraft. The Bullet holes riddled the aircraft, and there was “NO Evidence” of any Surface to Air Missile attack.

            So there you have it, The Lying scumbags such as the MSM, Obama, John Kerry just got their asses handed to them again. And Obama just claims they cannot get to the crash site. Well BS!!! They know damn well they got caught lying to the world. So the US Govn’t looks for any other excuse to go to war with Russia. This goes to show you how embedded the NWO and Military Industrial Complex Mafia has on our Government. President Eisenhower warned us about the (MICM).

            • Well, it looks like your IP address must trace to Moscow, hen?

            • you didn’t post a like to the story.

          • Ah..I was hoping to see a post about your ex..I miss them

            • Buck I didn’t know I had a following. gimme a few days to find new material

              • create new material not find, i’m not a joke plagiarist.

                • Joke plagiarist? That is a first for me, sorta like a moniker plagiarist? Just kidding, I like your moniker, Mclovin was cool in that movie, the cool nerd…

        • In war you have to embrace the madness of the environment. You have to laugh off the death and destruction at the moment. Everybody has a monster locked inside and when the metal hits the meat you have to unleash the monster from within. But as a warning, Everytime you unleash the monster in you it’s harder and harder to lock him up. Then the nightmares come. Trust me on this.

          • No, you release the God within you– trust me on this one! (Apocalypse is a spiritual phenomenon as well as material).

            • Kung Fu fought– but did so with grace… he released the God from within…

            • God might save you spiritually, but the animal in you keeps you in the fight. I take it you’ve never been nose deep in shit in the sandbox.

        • Now if someone breaks into my home wanting to harm my family I’ll take them down. Not because I hate them, but because their actions had easily foreseeable consequences. They give up their right to life when they threatened another persons right to life.

          It’s a serious mistake to associate a civilized society with one in which the good people are doormats for bad people to trample on.

        • right now there is a moth in my shirt I cant reach

      2. Prepper Tip of the Day: GUN ADAPTERS: 12g to 9mm or to .22LR calibers. In the heat of the battle, you can only carry so many weapons. Here is a tip that will allow you to change your 12g Shotgun into a 9mm or a .22LR caliber, by using a 12g barrel insert that is machined to handle a 9mm round or a .22LR round. Check out: “Gun Adapters 12g to .9mm or .22LR” Approx $24 to $48 per insert adapter. With this insert you can only shoot one round at a time, but this may also be good for acquiring game or carrying a variety of ammo for special needs by using just one 12g shotgun. It will greatly help to also use a 12g laser light to pin point your rifle round on a target. which you can also use a laser light bore sight to help you line up your attached barrel or magazine tube laser light for better accuracy. Let er’ Rip!!

        • When faced with an armed aggressor, it will not take long to quickly determine its either going to be you or him that dies. And whomever hesitates loses. Then you do your damndest to fight for your life.

          • WWT:

            You may want to re-think that “conversion”. Me, I would make sure I had enough shells to take care of any situation. That’s what your supposed to be doing now!

            Get some more shotshells!!!!

            • make waxers

        • In the heat of battle, turning my 12 gauge into a 22LR single shot is not a good idea.

          Having a 12 gauge, a 22LR, and a 9mm is a good idea. Just not the same weapon.

          • @Smoky. A 12g is not my battle rifle. I was just referring how to shoot other ammo out of a 12g shotgun by using other calibers at a low cost, which you can carry thousands of 9mm or .22LR rounds along with your 12g ammo. Battle Rifle 5.56 w/ high capacity mags. And Let er’ Rip!!

            • A Battle Rifle shoots a full size cartridge, 30’06, .308, 7.62 x 54R…etc..

              The 5.56 X45 and 7.62 x 39 are carbine calibers.

              All are good guns but with differen mission profiles.

        • You obviously never tried to actually HIT anything with those adaptors, have you.

          Stop reading (and believing the ads in) Guns and Ammo and try actually DOING something.

          • You old wrinkled coach. Obvious you just like to bitch instead of trying it. Obviously you seem like a senile penile.

          • OLD Coach. How about you go stand 100 Yards out in a field and lets see if I can hit you on the first shot with a 9mm adapter. If you are going to be a dick wear a condom. People who have no clue about a subject, and just like to be negative, bitch or have zero to add to constructive conversation, will be added to my SHTF “Who’s a Dick” List.

      3. Taking a life is not much different than saving a life.
        Either one is not a conscious thought, more of a gut
        reaction at the moment.
        If a person is frozen in their tracks with fear, neither
        a life will be saved nor will a life be taken.

        • If you freeze, a life will be taken.

        • After the killing ends there is always a time for most to take time for deep thought and spiritual cleansing. It keeps you sane and allows you to carry on.

      4. This whole thing is another advertisement.

        Rawles…… pfft.

        Give me a break.

        Buy his books!

        Send us some of that NO GOOD cash you have!

        • I rarely agree with you but this time…I don’t know…

          Besides, that read like something out of soldier of fortune…
          Probably a third hand account… at best.

          I was hoping to say “take notes…”

      5. This informative article has been contributed by James Rawles’ widely popular Survival Blog. If you haven’t already, we urge readers to check out James Rawles’ books on preparedness and survival, including the best selling Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse and the essential guidebook How To Survive The End of the World As We Know It.
        This informative article has been contributed by James Rawles’ widely popular Survival Blog. If you haven’t already, we urge readers to check out James Rawles’ books on preparedness and survival, including the best selling Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse and the essential guidebook How To Survive The End of the World As We Know It.

        Once wasnt enough. We needed it at the bgininning AND end of the “article”

        BUY THE BOOKS! Send us that NO GOOD green stuff.

        • Rich 98, long time no hear from, How you been?

      6. ive seen engagements that were 1 vs 3 turn into 1 vs 10 in the blink of an eye. no noise pollution restrictions then, yeah you’ll wanna shit your pants. I’m here They’re not, got lucky. Luck , it’s when things go your way and not thier’s

        • I find one of their weirdest oddities in today’s society and life, is after a person dies and their life is gone, the family takes their dead bodies to a undertaker / mortician, who prods and pokes the dead body, drains their blood, stuffs them like a taxidermist, paints their faces up, sews their eyelids shut, dress them up in their Sunday best, and tries to make the dead corpse look like they are sleeping, all for some ceremony for the pleasure of the living, so they can say, “Oh he looks so peaceful.” Hell, his body just went through more physical trauma in the last 2 days getting ready for the funeral, then when he died. Then bury him taking up more space for hundreds of years including some grave stone. Now that shit is more morbid and twisted than killing. You may as well take the body home and mount him on the wall so Uncle Jack can share watching daily TV with you. I will tell you this, when I die, take my body to be incinerated, and flushed the ashes into an outgoing tide into the Gulf of Mexico, I want to be set free to regenerate. Then have a couple of barrels of beer for the living on a party barge with a band, and drink and dance till you drop. Celebrate my life dammit!! lol.. Today’s Humans are some morbid twisted f-n people with all this visitation, funerals and religious crap. Just my take.

          • Yea…pretty close to what I made clear to family…
            Two kegs, one Guinness one Heineken …
            No one sings danny boy…

            Then my ashes in the Gulf Stream…

          • I agree Cremation is the preference in my family. dump ashes in any stream in the Ozarks and they eventually will make it to the gulf. Funeral homes & morticians are parasitic greedy morbid gouls

          • heck, just bury me in the back yard, don’t even bother with the pine box.

      7. Yeah Im pretty sure im not worthy.
        although sometimes people can fool you, and sometimes seeing your family or loved one gunned down can make some an animal to be reconned with while others it melts them to a puddle of slobber on the floor.

        Lord guide me to do the right thing, give me the strength I need to continue, trust in me to make the right choices when the time comes, and please don’t abandon me , as i will not abandon you

        all I can do is hope i will die on my feet, not for honor, not for praise, but for those i swore to protect with my life so help me god

      8. I have no problem with any of them. Killing….I’ve rode that horse, so be it. I have and will again if need be.

        Dying…..and Death. At 7 years old my grandfather died. My father told me to quit crying and get use to people dying.

        I’ve lost some very dear friends along my path of life, who died all to young. I’ts been a few years since they have passed, and I’m at peace with it.

        Death, as in my own or someone else. I have no family, just me, so who really cares. As far as myself…..My doctor says I have 50/50 chance of seeing 65. I really don’t care. I’m hardened to the fact, and everyone dies.
        In fact I would rather die, then live in a country like this that I once loved, and now watching it being destroyed by idiots…….Well I have no place with them,so if I died tomorrow, that would be okay with me.

        As the name implies, I have no problem turning the key.

        Bring it.

      9. I always hope that I would be able to do what is needed but truth be told I feel guilt when I don’t make a clean kill when small game hunting.

        • Stew,there is nothing wrong with regret over a “clean kill”,this from just a practical standpoint but more importantly one of your soul,to enjoy wounding and suffering suggests a form of insanity to me.The creature you hunt is something that allows you to survive,part of the bigger circle,why I want to be thrown thru a chipper into woods/buried at sea ect. when I die to help keep and be part of the cycle.This of course after any useable organs donated to help someone else in the circle,and,if that means in tough times eat my corpse to live then please do so,or,at least feed me to your dogs ect. if either can be done safely.I will say you eat me you will suddenly find a passion for listening to Jethro Tull,you’ve been warned!

      10. Think you are having a bad day, like the article above?
        Check these out….
        Fire authorities in California found acorpse in a burned-out section of forest while assessing the damage done by a forest fire. The deceased male was
        dressed in a full wet suit, complete with scuba tanks on his back, flippers, and face mask.

        A postmortem test revealed that the man died not from burns,
        but from massive internal injuries. Dental records provided
        a positive identification. Investigators then set
        about to determine how a fully clothed diver ended up in the middle of a forest fire.

        It was revealed that on the day of the fire, the man went
        diving off the coast, some 20 miles from the forest.
        The fire fighters, seeking to control the fire as quickly as
        possible, had called in a fleet of helicopters with very
        large dip buckets. Water was dipped from the ocean and
        emptied at the site of the forest fire.

        You guessed it.
        One minute our diver was making like
        Flipper in the Pacific, the next, he was doing the breaststroke in a fire dip bucket 300 feet in the air.

        Some days it just doesn’t pay to get out
        of bed. But keep reading……
        Still think you’re having a bad day?
        A man was working on his motorcycle on the patio, his wife
        nearby in the kitchen. While racing the engine, the
        motorcycle accidentally slipped into gear. The man, still
        holding onto the handlebars, was dragged along as it burst
        through the glass patio doors.
        His wife, hearing the crash, ran in the
        room to find her husband cut and bleeding, the motorcycle,
        and the shattered patio door. She called for an
        ambulance and, because the house sat on a fairly large hill,
        went down the several flights of stairs to meet the
        paramedics and escort them to her husband.
        While the attendants were loading her
        husband, the wife managed to right the motorcycle and push
        it outside. She also quickly blotted up the spilled
        gasoline with some paper towels and tossed them into the toilet.

        After being treated and released, the man
        returned home, looked at the shattered patio door and the
        damage done to his motorcycle. He went into the bathroom and
        consoled himself with a cigarette while attending to his business.
        About to stand, he flipped the butt between his legs.
        The wife, who was in the kitchen, heard a
        loud explosion and her husband screaming. Finding him
        lying on the bathroom floor with his trousers blown away and burns on his buttocks, legs and groin, she once again phoned for an ambulance. The same paramedic crew was dispatched.

        As the paramedics carried the man down the stairs to the ambulance they asked the wife how he had come to burn
        himself. She told them. They started laughing so
        hard, one slipped, the stretcher dumping the husband out.
        He fell down the remaining stairs, breaking his arm.

        Still having a bad day? Just remember, it could be worse…
        The average cost of rehabilitating a seal after the Exxon Valdes
        oil spill in Alaska was $80,000. At a special
        ceremony, two of the most expensively saved animals were
        being released back into the wild amid cheers and applause
        from onlookers.
        A minute later, in full view, a killer whale ate them both.

        Still think you are having a bad day?

        A woman came home to find her husband in the kitchen shaking
        frantically, almost in a dancing frenzy, with some kind of
        wire running from his waist towards the electric kettle.
        Intending to jolt him away from the deadly current, she
        whacked him with a handy plank of wood, breaking his arm in
        two places.
        Up to that moment, he had been happily listening to his

        STILL think you’re having a bad day?

        Two animal rights protesters were
        protesting at the cruelty of sending pigs to a
        slaughterhouse in Bonn, Germany. Suddenly, all two
        thousand pigs broke loose and escaped through a broken fence, stampeding madly. The two hopeless protesters were trampled to death.

        What?! STILL having a bad day??

        Iraqi terrorist Khay Rahnajet didn’t pay
        enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with
        ‘return to sender’ stamped on it. Forgetting it was the
        bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits
        There now, feeling better?

        • I really enjoyed your rant. Years ago a man was walking in downtown New York and a mile away a helicopter rotor blade snapped off and killed him on the street.

        • eppe, come on that story about a scuba diver is a crock. It is an urban legend, /myth. But it creates some unusual entertainment for a moment. I never had too many bad days, most of the trouble I ran into, was at night. And for some reason usually included alcohol. lol

          • Yeah, I know what you mean, Ethyl (alcohol) has gotten me in trouble in the 80’s, now if I drink I stay at home and drink alone (sounds like a song somewhere there????)

        • eppe…kinda puts it all in perspective, doesn’t it? Great humor in these…sorry, I couldn’t help but chuckle at the just kind of kharma.

        • And I thought I had it tough today. Everything I did and touched today (and for the last two days) turned to shit. I hauled ass to the job today without getting any breakfast. Come lunch time, I was behind the ball on the current job with another repair waiting. I didn’t take lunch but came home and let my son’s dog out of the kennel to take a piss. Hurried to get him put up and get back down to the job. Finally got it wrapped up and done….but that poor guy, eppe, I couldn’t hold a candle to him. Just when I think things are going bad, there’s another holding all the ace’s…”taking a knee”…I am.

          • I know, this is my third Monday in a row, sux out loud, but it’s almost 6pm, I think I’ll go home and have a beer or two…

            Saw a great t-shirt, it read “IN DOG BEERS, I HAVE ONLY HAD ONE….”

            • Since we are talking killing, death, etc, here is one for Miss Dee Dee, 6pak, FOB, and all the women whom I respect for your inputs and insights on the great website where we can vent, banter, and trade ideas….
              I will be in moderation for hours, it is 7:25pm eastern now


              One day a womans husband died, and on that clear, cold morning, in the
              warmth of their bedroom, the wife was struck with the pain of learning
              that sometimes there isn’t anymore. No more hugs, no more special moments
              to celebrate together, no more phone calls just to chat, no more “just one
              minute.” Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes
              away, never to return before we can say good-bye, say “I love you.”

              So while we have it . it’s best we love it and care for it and fix it when
              it’s broken … .. and heal it when it’s sick. This is true for marriage .
              and old cars .. and children with bad report cards and dogs with bad hips
              and aging parents and grandparents. We keep them because they are worth
              it, because we are worth it.

              Some things we keep — like a best friend who moved away or a classmate we
              grew up with. There are just some things that make us happy, no matter

              Life is important, like people we know who are special. and so, We keep
              them close!

              I received this from someone who thought I was a ‘keeper’! Then I sent it
              to the people I think of in the same way. Now it’s your turn to send this
              to all those people who are “keepers” in your life, including the person
              who sent it if you feel that way. Suppose one morning you never wake up,
              do all your friends know you love them?

              I was thinking…I could die today, tomorrow or next week, and I wondered
              if I had any wounds needing to be healed, friendships that needed
              rekindling or three words needing to be said.

              Let every one of your friends know you love them. Even if you think they
              don’t love you back, you would be amazed at what those three little words
              and a smile can do.

              And just in case GOD calls me home …..
              I LOVE YA!!!
              I’m sssoooo glad you’re my FRIEND!

              Live today to the fullest because tomorrow is not promised.

              “What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but hat is woven into the lives of others.”

              • @Eppe….I have often chuckled, and, indeed laughed outloud at your comments, but I never thought that a comment from you could make me cry….well done…a great reminder of Love (which Never Dies) between husbands and wives, siblings, Mothers and Fathers, Children and Friends is beyond measure….LOVE is indeed the Only “thing” we take with us….and its’ value is without measure.
                Thank You

        • This can’t be true? Can it? Wow!

        • The diver in the forest fire is a myth. the mythbusters on TV checked it out. never happened. they couldn’t achieve gathering up a dummy in scuba gear under optimal conditions.

      11. Killing? Not a problem. Burying the stinking carcasses though, will be a lot harder, unless, of course, I am one of them.

        • With dead bodies, you want to sprinkle “Lye” on them, as it reduces the smell and flies and makes the bodies decompose faster. You can find these bags of “Lye” in the garden section of most any Home Depot for just a few dollars. A good Prepper item to stock up on along with a shovel and a pick. Just don’t bury the body anywhere near your drinking well. And I suggest do not buy duct tape, rope, plastic sheets, the shovel, pick and the Lye all at the the same time. Know what I mean? lol

          BTW/ Lye is usually sprinkled on lawns where there is a heavy concentration of fallen leaves and where little grass grows, because the leaves produce a more acidic soil content. Sprinkling Lye in your fertilizer spreader in those areas, creates a better PH balanced soil content. Know that just in case the Checkout Teller asks you if you have some dead bodies to get rid of. OPSEC folks. Buy a few bags at a time and always use cash and wear a baseball cap. lol

          • It would be absolutely NO surprise if you were speaking from direct experience.

            • Anon, No not yet, but I read about it. and when SHTF, there will be dead corpses laying around every where. And if you fail to bury them they will spread disease. And yes some claim Lime or Lye can is used on the corpses. and why you do want to use Lie to help decompose the body faster. OK debate that now Lime Lovers. lol.

            • He’s not, because what you spread on bodies is LIME, not lye. But hey, WWTI is a Russian troll – English is his second language.

          • Warning!!!!!!

            Do not use lye.

            Use chemical hydrated LIME. Lye will burn you and anything you put it on. Get it at the feed store

            • Slingshot you are correct, drop a body in acid it will leave bones and teeth, bury a body in lye and it will leave NOTHING!

              • Feed them to the hogs and….. you’ll have happy hogs and no scraps left.

                • That’s how they got rid of the murdered corpses in the show deadwood. Fed them to the china mans pigs. Run a body through one of those commercial tree chippers first. makes it easier for the pigs to consume. spray about a half gallon of diesel fuel in the chipper and light it to remove all traces. In Hoxie ark a stepmom killed her husbands first wife with a hammer. took her out in the back yard and burned her up with firewood. a few small bone fragments and teeth remained, she put those in a bucket of concrete. a couple of years later the step son went to first grade. He kept telling his teacher about the murder & cremation of his mother. A investigation revealed the gristly details.

          • It’s not lye, it’s lime, as in powdered limestone….counteracts the acidity of the decomposing body and sweetens the soil so the acidic leaves don’t make it too hard for the grass to grow…

          • Dead bodies if you are not shure of how they died. it would be best to let them alone. I wouldnt go near them. the buzzards coyotes maggots & beetels can reduce a 1000 pound cow to a skeleton in two weeks. a human will be gone pretty quickly.

      12. I pray to God that I don’t have to take a life. 30 years and none so far. I have come close a couple of times but was able to talk the guns out of their hands.
        There is nothing noble about taking a life. I would if I had too. I love my family too much to let anything happen to them.
        As far as dying we all started doing that the day we where born. Am I afraid to die? No! I just don’t want to have too many things I want to do. When the Good Lord call there is nothing I can do to stop it.
        I see death all the time on my job. I only have reactions when it is a child. I have learned to hold back my feeling in until I’m alone or with my wife so I can talk with her. She helps heal the pain/heart ache.


        • Every call you go on, you must mentally say to yourself, “I will kill this person if I need to without hesitation”!

          That is the mental edge needed!

          The article was a reality check that is needed every now and then!

        • Its clear from all the pigs in the news that kill with no apparent reaction that a whole bunch of cops are sociopaths at heart.

        • Not something I look forward to having to do again.

        • I agree with you. I have never had to take a life and hope I can still say that many, many years from now when I die of old age. I have known men who have had to take lives in combat and none of them take glory in it or wish to gloat about it. To me it seems like they see it as an ugly necessity of war. It was either kill or be killed. I do hope, however, that if some such situation ever arises in my life that I am the one still standing at the end of it. I also realize that once things get to that point that there is a 50/50 chance that I won’t be and for that reason I plan to avoid such confrontations if it is at all possible. I don’t say this lightly though as I have had to stare down the barrel of a gun held by a close friend who was drunk and irrational while I was armed (I had a hand gun in my pocket while he had a long gun). I had to decide if I should pull my gun or not and fortunately was able to resolve the conflict without escalating it. In some ways I think it took more balls not to show my hand than it would have to do so. Guns scare me, but so long as they exist I feel I have little choice but to be prepared to defend myself with one should the need arise.

          • People of conscience will ALWAYS have many doubts over the possibility of ending another humans’ life….I have never been in a position of HAVING to kill or be killed….yet. I have the mindset that I will do what “I” must do in order to keep those I love from harms way….but, in my heart, I know that I will agonize as I pull the trigger….but pull the trigger I WILL, to defend and protect….

      13. Bragging about your prowess at killing people does not make you a “real” man, even though you would like us to believe it does. Those that regret killing others, no matter how justified it may be, would just as soon not talk about it.

        • JRS:
          You sir are right on with your statement.
          My the Good Lord watch over you and yours and that nothing like this will ever happen to you and yours.

          • Sarge…hopefully you will make it to your retirement without having to take a life. I live with family that have had to kill in the fog of war and they do not talk about it to anyone other than those they may have served with…they won’t even share any details with family. I respect that.

            I still think you should put your badge in your sock drawer…

        • I think Selco summs it up pretty good when he talks about the effects of killing someone on a person, even the biggest baddest break down eventually

        • I agree JRS. Frankly, no one with a sane, caring heart goes out to kill others in lands far away. They’re no heroes, just men that got tricked by the powers that be to fight for the military-industrial machine. Often upon the realization that they’ve done horrible things or were ready to, deny their epiphanies and begin cognitive dissonance. How many WW2 vets go to their graves thinking their were heroes? The only reason the allies are considered the heroes of the conflict is because they one. Things like rape, imperialism, war atrocities, etc all get tossed aside or trivialized when you’re the winner. And the losing side becomes the ultimate evil, exaggerated and made subhuman.

          When it’s not immediate self defense, you don’t go off to kill a man until you hate him.

          • Killing Zombies should be easy targets, compared to killing a big BUCK on a full bolt, sprinting, bopping up and down, zig zagging in an open field. I know that for a fact, as I emptied a 5 round 30.06 semi-auto, as he disappeared over a knoll. No blood, no hair, nothing but memories. lol However I nailed another, one shot kill, opening morning at 365 Paces, from the shell casing laying in the dirt to the gut pile far yonder. Lots of Wisconsin Deer hunting stories.

        • JRS,

          I think you and some others are completely missing the point with this article! It has nothing to do with “bragging” and everything to do with trying to prepare others not so trained to be able to stay alive and deal with the unthinkable!

          Are you one of “those” that would rather not discuss it (thus sticking your head in the sand) or can you open your mind to the fact that maybe just maybe we need to discuss what we all hope will never occur?

          And for you “AcidEtch”, while I completely agree with the fact that there are those currently in law enforcement that seem to be quick on the trigger, don’t lump everybody in the same pile! You have shown your lack of judgement and what I would call immaturity by posting what you did!

        • I see each and at times all those I have killed! Bad dreams are always just a sleep away.

      14. imo, this is good.

        most people never will face their death until its inevitable and even less will think of what they are willing to do to ensure the safety of themselves and others.

        personally, i dont enjoy killing anything except roaches and mosquitos; i even will pickup rolly-polly bugs that get inside and place them outside; but i know death is coming someday and i know i have no problem smashing someone’s head into anything that makes them a non-threat.

        my goal is to make it to 85 and help vets that need help as our government has proved their sacrafices dont mean squat to them; but it does to me and if that means i have to kill a couple of guys that break into my house for whatever reason and drop them in the lake with weights on their dead bodies next time a financial crisi hits; so be it.

        and with all the illegals streaming in, the probability of that day increases continually.

      15. True, people like that only brag to get attention.

      16. Since the government wants us to be prepared to kill Russians, we should know why. The Ukrainian Parliament broke up because they wouldn’t pass a bill giving 49% control of their energy business to western business interests like Joe Bidens’ son, Hunter Biden.

        • We’ve been groomed to kill the Russians and Chinese for a long time now. Just look at some of the big budget video game titles.

      17. Not an easy decision. It may come down to where I see my life flash in front of my face….him or me. Hope to never find out but with my family near and in danger I feel I can.

      18. The Few, the Proud, the Brave…

        Yeah… we’ll only train you to do pushups and to throw lead downrange at paper targets. And then we expect YOU to live up to the motto as if by magic, because it’s our ass on the line with our superiors.

        Ever think about that when you get a job? Look at how they describe their employees, then realize you shall be getting zero (and I do mean zero) training to be that person.

        Times a million how much this concerns me with the military.

        Watch The Thin Red Line… Nick Nolte’s character.

        Awesome. Should be required viewing before signing up for the military.

      19. Want to watch a cool video? Go on youtube and look up “kill or be killed.” It’s a WWII combat training video and there are more.

      20. Calling him a coward is a bit harsh, don’t you think?

        What skin’s he got in this game? A third worlder is already dead and he bloody well knows it. It’s not so much courage on their part as is… their life is bloody miserable and they may as well try to improve it for everyone else. They feel dead all the time anyway…

        A first worlder? He joined up to do what? Protect his family? Or just to pay off student loan debt / pay for college? Worse if he’s conscripted… whoever thought that one was a good idea must really have been desperate.

        So… what the hell’s he want to get shot for? I mean if you have nothing whatsoever at stake… do you call a reticence to fight cowardice or just basic survival instinct?

        • “reluctance”, not “reticence”


          • Yeah sprout we get it. If you should only live soooo long. Your kind can only hold it with two while they piss on three. You got that ‘little man’ syndrome.

            • I don’t understand your insult. Please explain it to me. It seems nonsensical.

            • I’ve said this before, but when SHTF, eisencrap will be among the first to check out because his mouth will write a check his ass can’t cash.

              It would be nice to watch that actually happen.

          • Synonym.

            But in fairness, I did have to check 🙂


            I agree, that’s kind of what I’m saying. Alive or dead. Cowardice only comes into play when you’re defending something worth defending. If you’re saving yourself and a few others? Running away is a perfectly valid strategy. Even Sun Tzu recognizes this one.

      21. I enlisted in the US Army during Ronald Reagan’s presidency. At the time he was saber rattling and Grenada was the hotspot. He also re-instated the Selective Service registry for all young men turning 18. Reagan’s action was part of the reason I joined, but primarily for a skill I could market for a good paying job when I got out of service. The mid 70’s were kinda like today relative to the economy & unemployment today. I thought we (the US) were itching for a fight back then like we are today. War improves economies (if you’re on the winning side).

        It’s true what you say about your military buddy possibly being able to kill but more likely NOT in a firefight without some villification mindset being present. Basic training showed us how to use an M16, throw a grenade (1) and hook up a claymore mine along with some map reading skills. My MOS was a very technical one and I was NOT an infantryman by any means, shape or form.

        If someone was shooting at me I think I would have to shoot back. End of story. As gunnery Sgt Hartman said in Full Metal Jacket, “it is a hard heart that kills”. I think Hollywood got that one right (for once).

        The one thing that MH did not mention in this writing was the comradiery many soldiers have with each another. That single attribute is what makes one brother-in-arms kill to protect the man beside him or give his own life to save him.

      22. I’d rather not have to kill anyone. After it hits the fan I’d warn anyone trying to get into my house. If they didn’t stop I’d have to take them out. If they got into my house I’d shoot to kill. Then finish off anyone who was wounded. I don’t look forward to it but I will defend my life and the lives of my family.

        • You’re an idiot. You don’t know what you’re going to do under stress. You’ don’t warn people. Surprise is the most desirable advantage in any conflict.

          • And that kind of mindset is why we have so much conflict. It’s the same mentality of cops that shoot first and ask questions later. “Them vs Us”.

            I can see a whole lot of good, innocent people getting shot by trigger happy psychos who waited for years to get their free murder pass. We’re still humans and hopefully some us still retain slivers of humanity. The cycle of empires can only be broken by educated, empathic people who are also not afraid to fight. Train, and put yourself in a position of power or advantage. That will give you time to discern whether or not the stranger in question needs a bullet or a handshake.

            This isn’t war, it’s rebuilding society.

          • Acid Etch….hmmm, does that mean your Etch-A-Sketch….doesn’t work any longer? So sad. Perhaps you should concentrate on Crayola Markers instead… home, away from the computer, with a glass of ovaltine….

            • Wearing a plaid flannel “onesie” and wearing black-rimmed glasses.

          • Again from my non-(physically) violent conflicts, you are correct.

            You never telegraph your move to an opponent. It only gives them something to work with. In fact, you appear as defenseless as possible on purpose in order to draw them out.

            Nope, you don’t give warnings. This is the single most effective strategy. It’s also the hardest to live with after the fact, is the point being missed here.

            You better be sure you want to do that. Real sure.

            In an actual physical firefight? I’ve little doubt that I’d run unless it was a single opponent in a home invasion type scenario, and even then I’d be crapping my pants the whole time.

            But I’m completely untrained. That *might* mitigate some of that.

            The basic understanding of what to do with the tools? I got that part down I think (or I had it down). I lack the actual tools.

      23. If push comes to shove, you have to do it. Reflexes kick in, focus becomes clearer, but afterwards, the shaking starts, the mind blurs and you can’t remember a whole lot. Training is the key, shoot first, think and deal with it later. In what’s coming down the pike, we all need to prepare to see the elephant. It’s not going to be easy, but who said life was easy to begin with. It’s the hand the Lord has dealt us, so play it to the best of your ability.

      24. After a lifetime of extreme sports I can confirm that it’s totally unpredictable what anyone will do under pressure.

        • By the shillitary’s own statistics 85% of soldiers fire with no intent to kill. 13% shoot to kill but have horrible psychological problems. Only 2% can look a man in the eyes and pull the fucking trigger no bullshit. You are most likely in the 85%. That’s why I mock all you stupid old people who talk about molon labe and what you will do in SHTF. YOU don’t know what YOU’LL do and I don’t know what I’ll do. I wish you all the best after the balloon goes up, cause all we’ll have is our training and our preps to fall back on.


          Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
          Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
          Richard Armitage: Navy, three tours in Vietnam
          John Ashcroft: Did not serve
          Roy Blunt: Did not serve
          Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve
          George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; skipped duty; didn’t take physical; suspended from flying
          Jeb Bush: Did not serve
          Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. Attacked Cleland’s patriotism
          Dick Cheney: Did not serve
          Christopher Cox: Did not serve
          Tom DeLay: Did not serve
          John Engler: Did not serve
          Douglas Feith: Did not serve
          Bill Frist: Did not serve
          Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
          Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
          Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
          Phil Gramm: Did not serve
          Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
          Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
          Jack Kemp: Did not serve. “Knee problem,” continued in NFL for 8 years
          Jon Kyl: Did not serve
          Trent Lott: Did not serve
          John McCain: POW in Vietnam, Legion of Merit, Silver star, DFC, many more
          Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
          John McHugh: Did not serve
          George Pataki: Did not serve
          Richard Perle: Did not serve
          Colin Powell: 35 years in Army, 4-star general
          Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
          Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
          Karl Rove: Did not serve
          Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
          Rick Santorum: Did not serve
          Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
          Richard Shelby: Did not serve
          JC Watts: Did not serve
          Vin Weber: Did not serve
          Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve
          Andy Card – no service
          Condi Rice – no service
          John Bolton – no service
          Don Nichols – no service
          David Dreier – no service
          Bill Bennett: Did not serve
          Wolf Blitzer: Did not serve
          Pat Buchanan: Did not serve
          Ann Coulter: Did not serve
          Charlie Daniels: Did not serve
          Lou Dobbs: Did not serve
          Paul Gigot: Did not serve
          Sean Hannity: Did not serve
          Bill Kristol: Did not serve
          Rush Limbaugh: Did not serve
          Chris Matthews: Did not serve
          Michael Medved: Did not serve
          Ted Nugent: Did not serve
          Bill O’Reilly: Did not serve
          Dan Rather: Army Reserves
          Ralph Reed: Did not serve
          Michael Savage: Did not serve
          Antonin Scalia: Did not serve
          Kenneth Starr: Did not serve
          Clarence Thomas: Did not serve
          George Will: Did not serve
          Roger Ailes (Fox) – Did not serve
          Anne Coulter – Did not serve
          Fred Barnes – Did not serve
          Gary Bauer – Did not serve
          Neil Bortz – Did not serve
          Tony Snow – Did not serve
          Pat Robertson – US Army
          Jerry Falwell – Did not serve

          Bonus: Stallone fled to Switzerland to dodge the draft; he supports gun control.

          • All Ann Coulter does is run her mouth. Here is what she said about those who serve. Paraphrase- “Many will have to die for our cause.” What cause?

          • @acid etch

            So…..when did you serve tinkerbell?

            • Oh….and Pat Robertson was a U.S. Marine..not U.S. Army.

              And as much as you obviously hate the military and police, I’d lay dollars to donuts that one or both of them turned you down.

              I’ll bet you don’t even qualify to be a mall cop.

              • Never applied to either. Nor would I give my life for the transnational petroleum industry.

                All of my posts are trying to teach you something. You guys just post pure insults with no purpose.

                • Hey Tinkerbell….

                  You don’t teach by insulting. Plus….it helps to actually know something before you try to teach someone else. The only information you provide is what you get off the Internet or SOF magazine.

                  I wouldn’t care to even try to teach somebody like you. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a portable sandbag.

                  Like I said, you’ll be among the first to take a permanent dirt nap when SHTF. You are too arrogant and mouthy to live long. Somebody will come along (somebody who actually IS a badass) who won’t put up with your nonsense and will twist your dumb head off and puke down your neck. And it will probably be some old retired Vietnam vet who does it…..somebody who’s actually lived through the horror of war and death, instead of someone like yourself whose only “knowledge” of war is what he experiences when he plays “Call of Duty”.

                  Here’s a hint Tink…..nobody wants to read the crap you write. It’s just so much BS. Come back when you actually know something besides what you saw on youtube.

                  • LOL! You go Walt…


          • Well, let’s hear the other side of the coin, eh? Brave enough to list those Dems who have not served? You can begin with obama…..and go downhill from there.

        • In high school, my friend’s cousin was the Pennsylvania state wrestling champion. He was always talking shit and pushing people around. I took him out on my yacht on the Chesapeake in a violent storm that was tossing the boat around like a rag doll. He ran inside the cabin, curled up the fetal position and started crying. No bullshit this happened for real. After that he never could look me in the eye ever again.

          • And you wrestled around some and took it up the “poop deck” with the “yard arm”.

            • He wasn’t my type.

              • Yawn….just another troll “kiddie”…without the sense God gave a fish….
                Nothing here, folks, just pass by….

        • Like everything in life, there is always a first time. Then after that it gets kind of blurry. Just like sex. Everybody remembers the first time you had sex with a woman, and I bet you can even remember her name. Its the other hundreds after that, that seems to get blurry. Lol.

          • Hundreds???

            Damn, man. I’m not sure whether to congratulate you, or to advise you to get that thing tested at the clinic…

            • @TheGuy – Oh I figure I am up to about 450 by now. Had about 300+ between 18 and 25. lol Yes and that was before Aids HIV, and all the other crap than can kill ya these days. No doubt I have had more than my fair share. And No kids that I know of. lol Back when I had a guy roommate that banged 4 chicks in one day. I have had a few doubles.. lol

        • AE I would say your most extreme sport was taking a hit of Acid.

          • And it etched away all but three of his brain cells.

        • EXTREME SPORTS????????? WTF IS THAT? CLEANIN UP AFTER THE SENIOR CITIZENS PLAY THEIR BRIDGE GAME??? Well ain’t you the one who should counsel us…. You little fucking piece of shit, one of these days you’ll be wearing your ass for a hat, compliments from some octogenarian. Then while you lay there sobbing in a pile, he or she will rub their cigarette out on you cheek. You are lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. GET LOST!

          • I would bet Acid would take 3 of you out before the 4 th would run away.I never under estimate the passion of someone who’s got nothing to lose. No offense Acid I would love you on my fighting team when SHTF. Remember the movie the dirty dozen?

        • @acid etch….

          Video games and skateboarding are not extreme sports.

          You are such a pissant wannabe.

          SHTF…and you’ll be pissing your pants and curled up in the fetal position.

          • I hope someday to know who this ass-hat acid etch (aka eisencrap) really is and see him get the ass-whoopin’ he so richly deserves. If I could witness that, I could die a happy man.

            • Hell I’d pay yours and my admission and then holler for an encore.

        • Well now I understand where your coming from! A lifetime of “extreme sports”!

          Are you feeling inadequate? Why don’t you quit with the harsh ridicule and “badass” masochism bravado, and open your mind to the fact that you may actually need someone’s help someday! You don’t get help by being a jackass!

        • Extreme sports…..Is that golf or curling?


      25. “All instincts are survival instincts.” I believe the closer you are to God and nature the closer you are to the spark of life God granted us.

        The fact that most of us on here spend thought and time with the idea of self-preservation is a clear sign we’re connected with our God given instincts. Learned behavior will be situational when TSHTF and instinct will be key to coping with the savage events we’ll face.

      26. This isn’t really the same thing, but to put it into a cowboy perspective, it reminds me of bullriders. Now there are real bullriders and there are those that sit on the the bull in the shut and when the gate opens they bailoff at the first jump. Anyone thats been to a rodeo has probably seen this, I’ve saw it many times. But those wanta be bull riders are always down at the corner bar strutting their stuff impressing the women. Trekker Out.

        • I noticed that the kind of guy who is quick to take offense at the slightest insult or problem and tell people off usually breaks first in the bush. Think about it: if this guy is hysterical over absolutely nothing, some minor insult, what’s he gonna do in SHTF? If somebody has anger then they also have to have fear and they just frontin’.

          • You aint got a clue.

          • Pray tell, what is your experience? TV, Movies, Dreams? Who the hell are you to judge anyone on this site? Why don’t you go away and troll elsewhere?

          • “If somebody has anger then they also have to have fear and they just frontin’” –eisencrap–

            You’re the poster child for it girlie.

          • A new name,but the same identity….don’t feed the troll…

            • FOB: You are right….but this is highly entertaining…”tinkerbell” that name cracked me up….


              • I see your point PK….entertainment in “trapping” the troll….works for me….:)

      27. Whether the story is fact or fantasy shouldn’t make a difference. It is should make one think…

        Think about the possibilities, the scenarios, the beginning as well as the ending. The courage and conviction, or the cowardice and shame of the decisions made in the heat of the moment. Each of us can say what we would do, but would it be true?

        For some of us, a resounding YES. But only because we have experience in these types of situations. For others, we could say these things to help ourselves believe we can do it or at the very least to aid in the training or mindset of it. (Ref: Bull-Riding)

        When it comes to the reality of the situation, can anyone be truly mentally prepared for what may come at the scale being predicted?

        Only time can answer this …

        • It’s not so black and white as that.

          Let me be blunt, in one of my situations, the more courageous thing to do WOULD HAVE BEEN to walk away. You think you can’t feel shame and cowardice for winning? Oh I won all right. Sort of wish I hadn’t.

          I mean if someone’s coming at you trying to kill you… there’s no need to make a judgement call there.

          If someone’s breaking in to steal food and is not trying to kill you, or your kid is dumb enough to join the Nazi party (or equivalent) as posited in this article… it becomes a lot less cut and dried.

      28. Those that target shoot, it will be harder. Many hunter’s will have the advantage of long yardage shots. Up close and personal killings will have to most effect on people.

        I want to identify the enemy for if I do have to kill I want it to be the correct person. I fear most a friendly fire kill.

        • In WW2 only 15% would try to kill the enemy because they were trained with paper targets. In Korea it was 50%, in ‘Nam 90%, because they were trained with realistic targets and brainwashed to kill.

          • your stats are off. to high.

          • Well hell grasshopper it almost sounds like you were there. Tell us all about it.

            • 🙂

      29. There’s a time for everything:

        “1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

        2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

        3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

        4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

        5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

        6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

        7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

        8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.” (Ecclesiates 3: 1 – 8)

        Above all these situations is God’s love which endures forever. We know that he loves us because of the fact that he sent his son to die for our sins. There is salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ.

        “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

        • AMEN Brother !

      30. killing is easy.

        it’s the p.t.s.d. of the killing event, afterward depression, sadness, rage, anger, isolation, dark dreams and memories of the kill that makes it hard.

        that sheeit last till you die.


      31. Many people simply do not ‘want’ to kill others as taking a life is a terrible context of course.

        Killing for no reason, i.e. plain and simple murdering people is just wrong and people who do that…are going to pay the price.

        Now defending yourself, or others is a different thing altogether. It is still killing, yes, but not pre-meditated murder. I have no desire to kill anyone, but I also won’t stand idly by while my loved ones or others lives are in jeopardy. 230 grain .45 HST hollow point to the forehead bitches. Let’s see your body armor block that. 😉

        I have had a loaded gun put to my temple before by someone who meant to kill me…so I’m not afraid of dying. I’m more worried about leaving my loved ones behind unprepared, without me. 🙁

      32. Agree killing is easy.

        One day out hunting there was a shot about 220 yards from my stand. A short time later I could hear brush break and a strange snorting sound. Turned out it was a deer with it nose shot off. I killed the animal. Doe season. Still have the visual.

        • That don’t mean shit. Every species is programmed to kill other species but all have an ingrained resistance to killing their own.

          • That don’t mean shit.

            I am depending on lots of things that will not mean shit.
            Once my attitude turns to shit, it will not matter what I do. Don’t mean shit to you. Don’t mean shit to me.

            It is, what it is. Hahahahahahaha!

          • Ha.. There is no species on the planet that kills its own more than man without hesitation. People kill each other over $5 or a parking spot, or for the sport of it like Son of Sam. Some are just more efficient like carpet bombing villages or like Israel bombing UN schools killing children then claim Hamas is using the kids as humanshields. The Jews are some twisted fucked in the brain sociopathic homicidal murders. Just wait folks what they got planned for Americans when they are done feeding off our wealth. 9-11 will look like a picnic. Watch your 6, Lock n load n Ler er’ Rip!!

      33. Off Topic Prep.

        Tent/Tarp repair kit.
        Grommet installation kit
        Snap installation kit. (Snap Buttons)

      34. ***OFF TOPIC***

        Obama Sued: House Authorizes Lawsuit Against President With 225-201 Vote
        (From ZeroHedge site)

        Argentina defaults; Russia, Ukraine, Libya, Israel, Gaza, Iraq all in a state of (hot or otherwise) war, the worst Ebola epidemic in the history of Africa, and now Obama is getting sued.

        Interesting times? You bet.

      35. Anybody read Part2?

      36. As I have said before have no idea how I will react in a “combat”situation,did ok at a bad accident that affected me after with puking and adrenaline rush but handled the situation at hand,cop said puking after normal.This is why I will not work with others creating a local defense force as I am NOT sure they can count on me when it really matters.I will try and help others including killing those engaged in evil against others I hope,I fail miserably will be the only one to die.I really don’t know after reading this if there is any way of being mentally “prepared”,if tale true seems many with a lot of training didn’t react well.That said,have always had faith in people,many who never thought/imagined them selves in bad situations not only saving their own ass but helping save others at risk to themselves happens,hope I can find that strength in myself,can easily if necc. clean my pants later and mentally would be am sure on of the less tough things to deal with.

        • We all would do anything, including giving OUR lives, to save those we love…look at it that way. And, mayhap your talent would be behind the scenes, saving lives by knowing how to accomplish things? Don’t sell yourself short….it is the TEAM effort that pays off…you may find, however, that while you may not wish to harm others for YOUR sake, you may wish to save someone/others you care about. Do not overthink this… will do what you can when you can. The fact that you are second guessing yourself means that you are mentally preparing yourself…

        • @Warchild. You better stock up an a fex boxes of Depends. For SHTF. Lol

          • As I said before,in that kind of situation really the least of my worries.

      37. It is not ever easy, to take a life. Yet once lets say a switch turns on in your brain. It allows you to justify it in a way, it is kill those who wish to kill you. You know you have been around it too much, when a guy shot through the hips and back is suffering, so you walk up and shoot him in the ear to end it. Good bad or otherwise, war is hell. I hope I never have to turn the switch back on…..

        • You know a lot more people would be killing if they knew they could get away with it. They fear more about getting locked away for life with todays forensics and DNA. But When SHTF and we are in WROL. All bets are off and the mass slaughter begins, like in Somolia where entire villages.get butchured with machettes. That’s why Preppers and those who are mentally prepared and armed to kill will survive beyond the non prepared. Thus why many will die just out of the minset to prepare. Can you honestly say you could hold off at this minute 10 thugs trying to break into your house? Well get ready. LA Riots ring a bell?

      38. Meanwhile thousands of innocents dead worldwide due to war in Libya,Iraq,Egypt,Ukraine and Gaza..

        Thank you US state dept and and all your operatives worldwide for spreading democracy in our name..

        Hope you sleep well..


      39. Most CV’s who have killed up close and personal all talk about the sights, sound and smell of it. Combat is discusting and dirty, reading it brings back my gag reflexes of sights, smells and sounds so bad you can almost taste it. The only way to describe it it to picture yourself looking at a lemon. Now think of taking a big bite of that lemon. Can you taste the lemon now? Are you salivating? Now think about the worst thing you have ever smelt and tasted. Combat is 10 times worse than that.

        I pray I’ll never have to experience it again, but I’m afraid I will as a senior citizen.

        • “With the Old Breed” – Eugene Sledge. An old friend in MI who spent 5 days as a Marine on Iwo Jima told me it was the only book that even came close. I read it through once. Don’t really want to read it again.

          • Never read that book, but I never saw the romance and glory in the carnage. The only glory was making it through alive.

      40. Is it possible to be to ready? I already got a bead on the knuckle head with the loud radio and the guy with the mower that never shuts off,oh well, better to be prepared .

        • So do you have a hit list of all the people that have screwed you over in the past? Soon you will have your chance. As the world will be one big crime sceen thst will never get unravelled. I suggest you make that mental list. That alone will help restore some personal satisfaction. That’s right folks make you own mental list of who makes it on the shopping list. Don’t write that shit down though. Lol.

        • Ive also got a list. Some lawyers Judges cops & politicans are at the top.Of course they have spent their whole adult life making enemies. I will have to stand in line to get even.

      41. I take issue with this post. I am going to write this response as anonymous because i am going to post personal experiences and share what i do for a living. I am a police officer with 20 years on the job. What i see in rookies who get into their first shit storm is not cowardliness, but freezing. It is like a shock to the system and the rookies freeze. They stand there like they don’t know what to do.

        They are not being yellow, they just have a mental shut down that happens to everybody in a fight or flight situation.

        They only way to get past it is training. When your mind shuts down and you get tunnel vision, that is when your training kicks in and you operate on muscle memory.

        So, i apply this to my family. We practice at the gun range. we practice malfunctioning drills on guns, we shoot in the tire house clearing rooms.

        Train as you fight, fight as you train.

        Don’t confuse freezing with cowardliness.

        • Well said.

      42. When the killing is over is when the time for deep thought and spiritual cleansing comes over you. It is part of the healing process and allows you carry on!

      43. When SHTF,… Karma is going to be a bitch!

      44. This is one of the best pieces of military propaganda and as an excuse for genocide in Iraq, as one can find a military heto infomercial.
        It will soothe the warriors need for encouragement. And shows how GOD justifys any killing even murders in his or nations nameIraq and Afghanistan are voluntary acts of war upon a mostly unarmed nation and carried out with genocidal furyWhen we had civilized codes of conduct the invaders who had no provocation commited murder upon the populace; But that was when we were civilized and the troop understodd the difference between a battle and abMassacer at Fallujah.
        Are we talking of getting mentally prepared for a violent confrontation of possible deadly consequences or Basic training as some do to get ready for war against our neighbors.
        We are talking of mindsets and consequences that can result for some of them.
        Remember you are not going out your door ready to kill any suspicious character nor any one who just ask if you have food to spare.
        CONTRARY TO THIS BLACK GUN MACHO BULLSHIY : During times of extremebpoverty and dire living conditions everyone is not running around trying to either eat your food or screw you or your dogGo to Un studies and look up how they gather together refugees into centers because othrrwise most would just sit and starve or meekly accept any offers for whatever fabvors they can domMothers will sit and stay in a place until kids are so weak she canni ot leave them.
        Go ahead read up on it so that you can recognize the difference and not go to fn war on your neighbors.
        Whats next running drills in the boonies or a neighborhood call to arms drills.?

      45. You do not live until you accept Christ. Before then you are a dead man walking anyway. Physical death comes regardless. That’s what all this is really about. It’s not about greed. The real war has always been and is a spiritual one. We are just seeing the climax, and everything is either indirectly or directly targeting followers of Christ ultimately. That is who all throughout history including today are persecuted the most, and it’s just getting started.

        • It will all come down to “good” vs “evil”…..And the “good guys” will ultimately prevail….

      46. Those who know , no explanation is needed , those who do not know , no explanation is possible.

        Those who know are savoring the last good ole days of fossil fuel luxuries.
        Hot coffee , hot showers , hot tubs , cold drinks , ice cream and air conditioning.

        Most of my time online these days is spent reading , researching and data collecting for the solar powered libraries . Multiple paths to the top of survival mountain , the view is the same.

        • I can have a hot cup of coffee without electricity.

      47. “Regardless of faith or lack thereof” Brother this is incorrect, I am a combat veteran my self and that aside “FAITH” is the only way… endurance to the end is only provided by the providence of GOD. I have never read you before, but I am disturbed by your belief in this matter…I am sure all Christians will be raptured (or beamed back to the S.S. Enterprise before the SHTF. Your motives are respected and the things you have spoken concerning “HORROR” are true indeed but read your bible and ask GOD’s HOLY SPIRIT to guide you.

      48. OP, I’m a Marine. Things must have changed in our Corps.
        I don’t remember Marines leaving their buddies behind to
        run away ! I saved some and some saved me. I’m sorry your
        guys forgot their training.
        SEMPER-FI !

      49. Since many will never have or took the opportunity to serve, it comes down to character and training. As the article pointed out, tough guys, maybe be weak inside. Hence the penis measuring contest when some guy is insecure. We all have seen it.

        In times of crisis, I found out that it brings out the best or worst in you….what are you really made of, and a test of true character, and moral courage. It amazed me to see how some men would panic under stress, while others held it together. You can train for it, but what comes out is what you are truly made of inside. It’s not a matter of physical strength, but moral courage, conviction, and what you truly believe in.

        You never know how someone will react under fire or under extreme stress. None us really know until we are tested in those situations. Many times, it was like being on autopilot…something else took over. Adrenaline blocks the pain, and in a moment of reprieve, you wonder how you went through so many magazines without ever remembering changing them.

        A good book is “On Killing” by David Grossman. An excellent book that discuses they psychology and physiology of killing. As career Marine and my several combat tours, I promise you, it is a fascinating and educational read.

        • Thank you for your Service, Marine (Retired)….and what you described is what us Finns call Sisu….

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