Just Open Up Your Eyes And Look – 65 Signs That The Economic Collapse Is Already Happening

by | Aug 1, 2012 | Headline News | 217 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Do you want to know when the “economic collapse” is going to happen?  Just open up your eyes and take a look.  The “economic collapse” is already happening all around us.  So many people talk about the coming economic collapse as if it is some massively hyped event that they will be able to point to on the calendar, and a lot of writers spend a lot of time speculating about exactly when it will happen.  But as I have written about before, the economic collapse is not a single event.  The economic collapse has been happening, it is happening right now, and it will be getting a lot worse.  Yes, there will be moments of great crisis.  We saw one of those “waves” back in 2008 and another “wave” is rapidly approaching.  But all of the waves are part of a process that is continually unfolding.  Over the past 40 years, the United States and Europe have piled up the greatest mountain of debt in the history of the world, and now a tremendous amount of pain is heading our way.  Economic conditions in the United States and Europe have already deteriorated badly and they are going to continue to deteriorate.  Nothing is going to stop what is coming.

    But many people are still in denial about our economic decline.  Some people still believe that everything is going to be just fine.  Way too often I get comments on my site that go something like this….

    “I just don’t know what you are talking about.  Where I live everything is just fine.  The malls are packed, the restaurants are full and everybody I know is going on vacation this summer.  Personally, I am doing great.  I just bought a 60 inch television and a new boat.  Every year all the ‘doom and gloom’ types such as yourself proclaim that an economic collapse is right around the corner but it never happens.  And you know what?  It is not going to happen.  Those in charge know what they are doing and America has the greatest economy on earth.  We have overcome challenges before and we will be able to handle whatever comes this time.  Your lack of faith in America and in the American people astounds me.  Everything is going to be just fine, so why don’t you just *************************************.”

    You get the idea.

    I definitely understand that most Americans are terribly self-involved these days, but when I read comments like this I am once again amazed at just how delusional some people can be.

    Why can’t people just open their eyes and look at the evidence of economic collapse that is all around us?

    Yes, there are wealthy enclaves all over the country where things may seem better than ever, but that is not the reality for most Americans.

    All over the country, our infrastructure is in shambles.

    All over the country, our once proud cities are being transformed into hellholes.

    All over the country, formerly middle class families are living in their cars.

    There are dozens and dozens of economic statistics that clearly show that we are in the midst of a long-term economic decline.  I have listed 65 of them below, but I could have easily doubled or tripled the size of the list.

    I simply do not understand how anyone can believe that things are “great” or that the U.S. economy is going to be “just fine”.

    We are living through a complete and total economic nightmare, and hopefully we can get more Americans to wake up from their entertainment-induced comas so that they can begin to understand exactly what is happening to this country.

    The following are 65 signs that the economic collapse is already happening all around us….

    1. Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of long-term unemployed Americans has doubled from 2.7 millionto 5.4 million.

    2. The average duration of unemployment in the United States is nearly three times as long as it was back in the year 2000.

    3. The unemployment rate in the U.S. has been above 8 percent for 40 months in a row, and 42 percent of all unemployed Americans have been out of work for at least half a year.

    4. Unemployment in the eurozone has hit another brand new record high.  It is now sitting at 11.2 percent.  It has risen for 14 months in a row.

    5. The U.S. economy lost more than 220,000 small businesses during the recent recession.

    6. The percentage of Americans that are self-employed fell by more than 20 percent between 1991 and 2010.

    7. Overall, the number of “new entrepreneurs and business owners” dropped by a staggering 53 percent between 1977 and 2010.

    8. The unemployment rate in Spain is now up to 24.6 percent.

    9. Morgan Stanley is projecting that the unemployment rate in Greece will exceed 25 percent in 2013.

    10. Since Barack Obama became president, the price of a gallon of gasoline has risen from $1.85 to $3.49.

    11. The average American household spent approximately $4,155 on gasoline during 2011, and electricity bills in the U.S. have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

    12. About three times as many new homes were sold in the United States in 2005 as will be sold in 2012.

    13. While Barack Obama has been in the White House, home values in the United States have declined by 12 percent.

    14. According to AARP, 600,000 American homeowners that are 50 years of age or older are currently in foreclosure.

    15. Right now there are now 20.2 million Americans that spend more than half of their incomes on housing.  That represents a 46 percent increase from 2001.

    16. According to Gallup, the current level of homeownership in the United States is the lowest that they have ever measured.

    17. Federal housing assistance increased by a whopping 42 percent between 2006 and 2010.

    18. In some areas of Detroit, Michigan you can buy a three bedroom home for just $500.

    19. All around us our cities are crumbling.  According to the American Society of Civil Engineers, 2.2 trillion dollars is needed just to repair critical infrastructure in the United States.

    20. The unemployment rate in New York City is now back up to 10 percent.  That equals the peak unemployment rate in New York City during the last recession.

    21. Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.  Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

    22. The U.S. Postal Service is about to default on a 5.5 billion dollar payment for future retiree health benefits.

    23. According to Graham Summers, “when we account for all the backdoor schemes Germany has engaged in to prop up the EU, Germany’s REAL Debt to GDP is closer to 300%.”

    24. According to the Federal Reserve, the median net worth of families in the United States declined “from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010“.

    25. The U.S. trade deficit with China during 2011 was 28 times larger than it was back in 1990.

    26. The United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

    27. During 2010 alone, an average of 23 manufacturing facilities permanently shut down in the United States every single day.

    28. The U.S. government says that the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by 17.9 million between 2000 and 2011.  During the entire decade of the 1980s, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” rose by only 1.7 million.

    29. Eight million Americans have “left the labor force” since the recession supposedly ended.  If those Americans were added back into the unemployment figures, the unemployment rate would be somewhere up around 12 percent.

    30. Approximately 53 percent of all U.S. college graduates under the age of 25 were either unemployed or underemployed last year.

    31. At this point, one out of every four American workers has a job that pays $10 an hour or less.  If that sounds like a high figure, that is because it is.  Today, the United States actually has a higher percentage of workers doing low wage work than any other major industrialized nation does.

    32. Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.  Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

    33. According to one study, between 1969 and 2009 the median wages earned by American men between the ages of 30 and 50 declined by 27 percent after you account for inflation.

    34. In 2007, the unemployment rate for the 20 to 29 age bracket was about 6.5 percent.  Today, the unemployment rate for that same age group is about 13 percent.

    35. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980.  Today they account for approximately 16.3%.

    36. Medicare spending increased by 138 percent between 1999 and 2010.

    37. Over the next 75 years, Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars.  That comes to $328,404 for each and every household in the United States.

    38. Back in 1990, the federal government accounted for 32 percent of all health care spending in America.  Today, that figure is up to 45 percent and it is projected to surpass 50 percent very shortly.

    39. Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid.  Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid, and things are about to get a whole lot worse.  It is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

    40. Since 2008, the U.S. economy has lost 1.3 million jobs while at the same time 3.6 million more Americans have been added to Social Security’s disability insurance program.

    41. Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by 6.4 million.

    42. The number of Americans on food stamps has risen from 32 million to 46 million since Barack Obama became president.

    43. Right now the poverty rate for children living in the United States is 22 percent, and approximately one-fourth of all American children are enrolled in the food stamp program at this point.

    44. The number of children living in poverty in the state of California has increased by 30 percent since 2007.

    45. Child homelessness in the United States has risen by 33 percent since 2007.

    46. According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 36.4 percent of all children that live in Philadelphia are living in poverty, 40.1 percent of all children that live in Atlanta are living in poverty, 52.6 percent of all children that live in Cleveland are living in poverty and 53.6 percent of all children that live in Detroit are living in poverty.

    47. Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be either “low income” or impoverished.

    48. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of Americans living in “extreme poverty” is now sitting at an all-time high.

    49. In the United States today, somewhere around 100 million Americans are considered to be either “poor” or “near poor”.

    50. It is now being projected that about half of all American adults will spend at least some time living below the poverty line before they turn 65.

    51. Total home mortgage debt in the United States is now about 5 times larger than it was just 20 years ago.

    52. Total consumer debt in the United States has risen by 1700 percent since 1971.

    53. Recently it was announced that total student loan debt in the United States has passed the one trillion dollar mark.

    54. According to one recent survey, approximately one-third of all Americans are not paying their bills on time at this point.

    55. In 1983, the bottom 95 percent of all income earners in the United States had 62 cents of debt for ever dollar that they earned.  Today, the bottom 95 percent of all income earners in the United States have $1.48 of debt for every dollar that they earn.

    56. The United States was once ranked #1 in the world in GDP per capita.  Today we have slipped to #12.

    57. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home where at least one person receives benefits from the federal government.  Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

    58. Incredibly, 37 percent of all U.S. households that are led by someone under the age of 35 have a net worth of zero or less than zero.

    59. Today there are approximately 25 million American adults that are living with their parents.

    60. The U.S. dollar has lost more than 96 percent of its value since 1900.  You can thank the Federal Reserve system for that.

    61. During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

    62. Overall, the U.S. national debt has grown by nearly 10 trillion dollars over the past decade.

    63. The U.S. national debt is now more than 22 times larger than it was when Jimmy Carter became president.

    64. 40 years ago the total amount of debt in America (government, business and consumer) was less than 2 trillion dollars.  Today it is nearly 55 trillion dollars.

    65. As Financial Armageddon recently point out, so many homeless people are pooping on the escalators at San Francisco’s Civic Center Station at night that the escalators are breaking down and repair teams have been called in to clean up the mess.  As the economy gets even worse, will scenes like this start playing out in all of our cities?


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      1. SAD SHAPE WE ARE IN!!!!

        • and if I have to hear ONE MORE news anchor state that the economy is coming out of the recession….I’m going to scream!!!

          • dont turn on you TV then. That is all the msm talk about.

            • No MSM for me….just Fox, which is just about as bad.

            • I watch faux in the AM just to ensure the world didnt blowup while I slept. Then I turn them off. I get my news from drudge and few other sites now. I am getting close to shutting down the satelite. If it wasnt for history, military, discovery and a few other stations like them I already would have.

            • Bulldog: I know, pmsnbc/msm are a bunch of giddy girls for BHO. Chris ‘I got a tingle up my leg’ Matthews should start wearing a cheerleading outfit because he is one of BHO’s biggest fans. He such a little girl that he should just come out with it and start calling ‘herself’ Christine. They’re so delusional over there at msm that the National Drug Council could use them as a warning about long term drug use.

            • I unplugged my TV in January 1996. Best thing I have ever done.

          • Although…I did see a glimmer of hope when my mother-in-law (who has always thought I was crazy for prepping) came home from the grocery store the other day and said “OMG have you seen the prices at the grocery store, things are getting crazy expensive”. I just look at her, smiled and said “really…. no, I hadn’t noticed”

            • heh

            • http://modernsurvivalonline.com/guest-post-how-to-successfully-talk-to-your-friends-and-family-about-prepping/

              “How to successfully talk to your friends and family about “prepping”

              “No man is an island. We’ve heard that saying over and over through the years. No statement has ever been truer for the modern day “prepper.” Gone are the days of the lone survivalist. Today’s “survivalists” are much more family and friend oriented than the typical survivalists in the past. We don’t hole up in our cabin in the woods only making rare necessary trips to town. We live and thrive in our communities We enjoy the company of others and generally have strong bonds of friendship and family.”

            • Go to Smart and Final.

              Go to the meat section.

              Get the store brand chicken thighs in the little saran wrapped package with the stryofoam tray under them. The raw ones with the skin still on them. Thighs because you are not wasting weight on bone mass like you are with legs.

              Go to the 99 cent store and get a knife.

              Go to Craigslist and get a George Foreman grill.

              This magnificent feast is 99 cents a pound. Cheaper than catfood, man. It’s my staple diet.

              For veggies and fruits go to “alternative” stores (aka not English speaking) or grow your own.

              You are very very far from starvation at this moment in history.

              It won’t last, sadly, but it’s lasted for over 4 years so far…

          • When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work, because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation!
            Adrian Rogers

            • Awesome.

              “The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government mismanagement rather than by any inherent instability of the private economy.” -Milton Friedman

              Here is a link to a financial site that has some very interseting and telling graphs:


              And here is today’s US National Debt Clock:


              But hey, it can’t happen here…I heard there’s a good TV show on tonight…

            • I retire next month for that very reason. Want to get on the dole with everyone else!


            • That describes my marriage exactly. 🙁

            • Yeah, doesn’t it just? It sounds awfully familiar to me too. 🙁

          • John Q. Public says:
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            August 1, 2012 at 4:08 pm

            Repudiate the debt. The debt is based entirely on centuries of fraud. We have no moral obligation to be enslaved to retire fraudulent debt.

            The fractional reserve system, its currency manipulations, the associated tax farming, and the derivatives spawned are fraud on a scale that has always been an economic crime against humanity.

            The dynastic banksters and “international” (read disproportionately “Zionist”) financiers and “oligarchs” must have their ill-gotten gains seized and repatriated. Too there must be reparations for the hundreds of years of war and other misery that these “central bankers” have engineered trans-generationally for their evil profit and our agony.

            They play the victim, but they are perpetrators of slavery and depopulation. They have engineered the deaths of MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS—nearly a THIRD OF A BILLION in the 20th century alone.

            Instead of “bailing them out” or deeming them “too big to fail,” these “central bankers” must be stripped of what they have looted for centuries and, if their economic and genocidal crimes do not earn them a scaffold at Nuremberg, their dynasties must be made penurious. The land they have seized in the Middle East and in their colonies on the Thames, Potomac, and Hudson Rivers must also be repatriated.

            Prosecute the guilty; leave the innocent alone. Every last guilty party, including their enablers, puppet politicians, and talking heads, must be run to ground, prosecuted, and punished.

            “Never again!”

            • That, people, is the ONLY fight and the banksters are the ONLY enemy.

              There is nothing further to add to an excellent post.

            • @John Q,,,,got ya covered on the punishment part. I’m personally throwing in everyone involved in chemtrails, right down the ground refueler. they knew and never told. Guilty!

            • That thumbs down was from me. I went to hit thumbs up and caught the wrong button. Damn you iPhone.

          • Please end your addiction to main-stream media. Understand this has happened before 500 years ago. It was called the printing press, renaissance followed. Best thing I can suggest, stack silver coins. Silvershield.com/silverdoctors.com/financialsurvivalnetwork. com. Get involved in community, grow gardens, & help eachother to survive.

        • When the banksters have taken the economy far enough down, the people will rise to rebuild it.

          It happens every time.

          • i wouldnt bet my future on it, not this time

          • I kind of doubt that’s going to be the plan next time around…

        • The economy is a funny animal, because of the numbers and nothing to back it up, it has no real true indication of its true demise. This could go on for awhile, UNLESS. It seems like there has to be a tipping point that takes it over the edge. Think of the economy as a sinking ship or New Orleans with pumps running constantly to pour water outside the ship or the city. As long as these pumps work 24 hours a day, the true deluge could take some time before the system becomes overwhelmed, It will be overwhelmed, but when is the question.

          The real ticket here is the event that will shut down those pumps that pouring water (debt) out not quite fast enough. In other words the second those pumps go off, the ship sinks like Titanic or the city goes to the fish very rapidly. What can shut down those pumps that are ONLY putting off the inevitable? Real simple, anything that will shut down the country. Let’s look at some of the probable events that could be the monkey wrench into those economic pumps that HAVE to continue to work or rapid implosion occurs.

          Definitie shut down:
          -Major Middle-East war where oil is no longer flowing for more than 1 month.
          -EMP, at least 1/3 of the country affected.
          -Collapse of U.S. dollar for numberous reasons.
          -China calling for immediate payment of debt owed to it from U.S., maybe a Taiwan episode could cause this.
          -False flag because election is looking very bleak for BO.
          -Widespread terrorist attack, likely using weapons of mass destruction.
          -Pandemic, not even something that has a high fatality rate, just a high morbidity rate.
          -Major earthquake, one of the following or both, San Andreas fault breaks, New Madrid fault breaks.
          -A good size volcanic eruption, probably VEI of 6 or higher in the United States.
          There are many others, but these are all within the realm of very possible.

          Possible shut down:
          -New York City alone is destroyed, Category 4 or higher hurricane, earthquake, terrorism, whatever.
          -Houston alone is destroyed, again Category 4 or 5 hurricane, much refinery and petro-chemicals here.
          -Port Fourchon where 20-25% of all oil is brought in is destroyed by hurricane.
          -Hoover Dam is destroyed, earthquake, terrorism, the water and hydro-electric lost here would be devastating.
          -Terrorism on one of more of the major ports, especially the ones handling Asia.
          -A true agricultural blight. Plant diseases happen all the time, U.S. cannot lose its ability to export food.
          -Widespread terrorism not using weapons of mass destruction. Fear factor and mass speculation on markets.
          -Trust factor on U.S. is lost on world markets suddenly.
          -Hyperinflation because of smaller factors takes off one day, like precious metals jumping 2 times or more.
          -War in other parts of the world besides the Middle-East.

          Again, there are many others, but these are all within what is quite possible.

          In other words, to all those doubting Thomas people out there, plenty of events that have happened before and will happen again can and will be the tipping point to collapse the economy. Those floodgates and pumps that keep the economy barely floating, like a listing ship full of seawater, will keep the ship above water for awhile. However, one event, one moderate size SHTF event can be that episode that makes all those systems keeping the financial sector barely alive, die all of a sudden.

          As a prepper and someone that keeps intuned with the world and nation events can take advantage of this by knowing how weak the system is, and WHEN something like one of these SHTF events occurs, to act on it. The U.S. economy is a battleship hit multiple times and is just waiting for the last torpedo to finish it off.

          • I’m looking at your food comment and thinking about the drought. If the corn and wheat crops turn out as bad forecasters say they will food prices will skyrocket even more than they have in the past 3.5 years. I went to the store today for groceries. Two things really jumped out as far as price increases. Boneless skinless chicken breast from $1.99/lb two weeks ago to $2.99 and one dozen eggs from $1.69 to $1.99 during same time frame.That’s 33% and 15% respectively in two weeks. I substituted pork chops for the chicken and paid for the eggs. Got to look into the powdered eggs supposedly available at ChinaMart. Don’t know what I’m going to do about the chicken. I can’t raise chickens where I currently live and can’t move readily.

            • navy vet-if you can get to a military commissary or a good large grocery store…you will find in the meat freezers things like chicken, beef roasts/steaks etc.. that have been frozen and are called manager specials..buy it up, then take it home and can it or dry it.. i spent the day doing this with beef roasts..put them in crockpots and let them cook on low at night..then first thing in the morning pack into mason jars and pressure can for 90min. not only are you saving money at the store, but you have meat already cooked and preserved for when shtf times. you can do this with just about any food item there is.

            • NavyVet: look into local resources(i.e.craigslist)
              regaurding farm fresh eggs. Sometimes they’ll
              cut you a break if you bring in containers…
              Oh,and there are methods for retaining eggs

            • @Navy Vet,,,,Too bad you can’t have chickens where you live. I have 45 of them and would be glad to share. The cost of feeding that many is taking a toll due to huge increases in corn prices. Selling “free range” eggs almost lets us break even. If I add my labor, I’m making somewhere around a nickel an hour. Around October, we are going to can a bunch of them as labor is just too hard in winter. Also, your comment on corn and wheat needed to include soybeans. They will take a terrible hit also.

            • Navy Vet, I just bought eggs today for $1.59 a dozen. I tried to buy local eggs, but the percentage of bad ones made the grocery store eggs a better buy. What’s really out of sight here is meat. The good hamburger is $5.09 per pound. I am having to wait for the store to mark down meat that’s about to expire. Then I buy it all and store it.

            • Navy vet: I agree, as people struggle to pay bills and buy groceries, they will cut way back on charity and church giving, home improvements, travel (gas prices going up) and dining out. Folks, best to start downsizing, sell things you don’t need and maybe move to a smaller house or rent. We enjoy the outdoors, city and state parks, other free or low cost activities in local rec centers, etc. Many wanna be or new preppers can’t afford to prep the way things are now.

          • Are you sure you got it all…… because i just ran out of beer !!

            • @COF,,I see you got three thumbs down. But, beer, wine, and spirits will be one of the most sought after trade items anyone can have, after TSHTF. Most folks don’t know it, but the Revolutionary War was run on whiskey and rum.

          • I would wager TPTB will crash the economy on purpose. They are ratcheting up as much tension as they can, the US economy going down would be icing on the cake for them.

            • The US economy going down is not the icing, it’s the cake. The resulting death and destruction is their icing.

        • So sad, but true.

          It is amazing there are still so many people in denial.

          If this is what TPTB consider a “recovery”…I would hate to see what they consider a “recession”.

          “To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude.”
          Thomas Jefferson

        • An impressive list by Mr. Snyder, and his thesis that economic collapse is not one thing or a particular point in time is well taken and WE are about to experience the second leg down…..

          For sure O’bummer has doubled down on the policies of GWB, much to OUR chagrin; but the roots of economic collapse reach back to the supply side economics of Ronald Reagan.

          Ross (I’m All Ears) Perot told US before NAFTA was signed that America would hear and experience a “giant sucking sound” as corporations rushed for the exits to profit from cheap labor and manipulated currencies under the policies of the NWO.

          Its here.

          These NWO policies culminated under GWB with 42,400 factories and 60 million jobs leaving the USA.

          What WE are experiencing under O’bummer is the institutionalization of high unemployment, high poverty, and socialism. IE the Europeanization of America as a result of these policies.

          If that’s going to be the case, WE ought to at least get 30 days of paid vacation in a State Owned Luxury Retreat every year like the Swedes or Norwegians.

          (Everyone to the Greenbriar for your paid vacation!) Just saying. 🙂

          Engage, my peeps, engage.

          • Dk,
            Glad to see you doing good and well, I hope your place didn’t get hit by the recent dust storms. But with all due respect, when we brought up the cost of foods and grocery’s 1 & 1/2 yrs ago. I was told I was a bad shopper. So let me see sir, Whos was right? And how far do you see your prices in AZ going? This is not meant to start shyt. I may not comeent as much as I used to but I still read everything most night. But I have always liked your point of veiw.


            • DPS: The closest thing that I have seen to “hyperinflation” is the price of a loaf of bread that I noted previously, had gone up 25% in the past two years; from $1.00 to $1.25 a loaf for sandwich bread.

              I am not a shopper either and can’t remember when I last bought a loaf of bread. I try to avoid flour, sugar, and salt in all of their forms.

              Milk is the same price here as it has been for quite some time. I am a single guy so I am not a big consumer of groceries and I do eat many meals out. Those costs, if any, have not been passed along to customers.

              One thing I found noteworthy at Wal Mart the other day was the price of cereal while I was looking for Almonds. I can remember when cereal was about $5.00 a box. It seems a lot cheaper now.

              Fresh fruit (peaches, rasberries, cherries,and blackberries from Washington State achieve a premium from what I have seen, but I buy them anyway. Bananas are still $.56 lb. I bought TWO quarts of blueberries the other day for get this, $.97 each. No coupon involved at Albertson’s.

              DPS you cannot buy milk at a convenience store and expect to get a bargain on the price. You pay for convenience, buddy.

              AZReady has gotten rich, fat, and sassy, catering to convenience customers. 🙂

            • DK,

              Do you really think I go to pak a sac to buy my milk?? The prices for milk here are holding steading at 4.09 a gal.. Thats at the largest groery chain in the panhandle or TX.. A bag of my favorite snack which is pecans jumped last Jan. to 10.99 a pound.. Today those same pecans are 11.99. so yes 25 % is right in line..As far as bread goes I make my own now I will not pay 1.99 a loaf..These are not prices at the local corner store bud, its prices at the grocery store. About the 1 thing thing that saves my budget is beef and pork.. I picked up 40 lbs of newyork strip today for 1.99 a lbs..


            • DPS: $4.09 is a bit high, I think. My price for 2% is about $3.79 a gallon. Half gallons about $1.97. I don’t buy a lot of milk, but sometimes its on sale and its often lower here if you buy two at a time.

              I am not in Phoenix for the summers,so I haven’t seen any dust storms for three years now, but I have seen some rain and hail among the Pines where I am located.

              We have Dairy’s in the immediate area serving Phoenix so not much in transportation costs, and there is a lot of hay grown on the perimeter to feed the cows.

              Location makes a difference I suppose and of course its always cheaper if the market is larger and more competitive.

              Buy a Dexter! 🙂 There’s a link at SHTF Food.

            • DPS: Curiosity got the best of me and I checked the price of a gallon of 2% at the Closest Wal Mart last night.

              $3.23 a gallon. $1.79 a half gallon. I was high in my estimate.

      2. Nothing to see here. Go about your business.

      3. Normalcy bias and apathy run deep. Michael backs up his theory with verifiable facts and statistics. Problem is nobody wants to hear them. Prep expeditiously because there will be plenty of pain.

        • He really is amazing when it comes to assembling the evidence behind his claims. Michael has put forth hundreds upon hundreds of incredibly insightful statistics that all point to the same thing: A total and complete collapse of the way of life we have come to know over the last few decades.

          It’s simply mind boggling that tens of millions of Americans have absolutely no clue what is happening, and what’s about to happen.

          • @Mac, that’s because they want to believe that our so called Government will take care of them.

            He gave a prime example of what those folks that don’t want to believe will say – “I just don’t know what you are talking about. Where I live everything is just fine. The malls are packed, the restaurants are full and everybody I know is going on vacation this summer. Personally, I am doing great. I just bought a 60 inch television and a new boat. Every year all the ‘doom and gloom’ types such as yourself proclaim that an economic collapse is right around the corner but it never happens. And you know what? It is not going to happen. Those in charge know what they are doing and America has the greatest economy on earth. We have overcome challenges before and we will be able to handle whatever comes this time. Your lack of faith in America and in the American people astounds me. Everything is going to be just fine, so why don’t you just”

            It really is hard to get people to WAKE UP!!! and LOOK AROUND.

            • My mother is 81 years old. She lost her bother to WW11 POW camp he was burn alive for try to excape and believe in this government. My fear is she will one day live to see all she believe was wrong. She grew up in the 30’s as small child so she has memories of want. An the reason her brother was in the Army in 1938 the last time she saw him.

              If we become the kind of country, some say we will with Marital Law and Bank failing. I do not know how she will stand it.

          • @Mac, you are totally correct. I keep thinking most Americans are like the frog getting boiled to death. They turn up the heat (Jerry Doyle says it – creaping incrementalism) a little at a time. Over the past forty years the water has slowly begun to boil.

            • Michael has proven my point that the economic collapse will be slow and painful….wait for next years corn and wheat prices to hit the shelves. Thanks Mac for keeping us informed and updated.

          • Mac,

            Been reading his site as long as I have read yours, great sites. I need to know if you have heard from our buddy Manos?????? I have sent him some e-mails with no replies,,, And he always responds to naked women, But not here lately..

            Thanks for you service Sir,

            • DPS ~

              I’ve been trying to reach him too, to no avail. I didn’t send him any nekkid women, though….

              I know a few others who have been writing without replies also. Last I heard from him was about 2 weeks ago.

              I’m officially worried. 🙁


            • Daisey,

              Good to hear from you too, sorry but this is my busy season and these 60 to 70 hrs a week are really taking the toll. Manos has not e-mailed me is a few weeks, and I have sent him some stuff he replies to in 15 minutes..LOL.. Still very worries about him, if you hear anything please let me know. And tell that Crazy MF Nina hi for me..


            • @DPS and Daisy, I sent an email about a week ago, and the same response as both of you. He has my address, I was hoping he might drop me a line that way, but nothing yet. My prayers are for him, his family and Greece. Peace Clay

            • Daisy, I see you still have your troll.

        • In the US we have been so comfortable and relatively safe for so long that people just expect it will always be so. But nations have always fallen.
          This reminds me of the morning of 911. I was getting ready for work and listening to the TV news just like every other workday. They cut to NY to show one tower with billowing black smoke. I thought “that looks bad!” and said a prayer for those inside and those who must respond to put it out. The TV men were discussing what might have happened. As I stood there a moment, a plane came into the right side of the screen. And even though I instantly KNEW what happened to the first tower and that it was about to happen again, part of my brain just would not accept it! My eyes saw it plow into the next tower but my brain said. “No that just does not happen”. I started to pray again even as my brain denied what I was seeing and praying about. I don’t mean that I did not want to believe it. I mean that I did NOT believe it.
          Right now today is so much like that morning. We are watching one tower burning and the next plane approaching but our hearts and minds just can’t seem to “see” what our eyes tell us we are seeing.

          • The worst part about it, is that TPTB are flying that next plane…

            • No, the next plane will be an unmanned drone…

      4. Every time I start thinking that I have enough preps, something like this comes out to make me realize, that I can never have enough. Guess I will plug in the dehydrator.

        • damn straight skippy
          I’m bumping up the food storage by another 6 months worth miminum

      5. We have seen the flash – now we’re just waiting for the boom.

      6. I am not a huge fan of Obama, but he is not the problem. These problems have been building for decades. Open your eyes and identify the REAL source of our problems. The real source of our problems is “we the people”. Including the people who operate and post on this site. I include myself in the “we the people.” The solution to our problems is “we the people.” Unfortunately, as evidence by this site, “we the people’ would rather try to assign blame and look after our own selfish interests than pull together to find solutions. I fully expect that if/when the collapse comes, preppers wil be among the first to become murderous thugs and feel perfectly justified due their inflated sense of self. The UNITED in the United States of America is totally inaccurate because “we the people” have become short sighted and self-absorbed.

        • Your partially correct, we are self-absorbed. The rest of what you said is liberal bullshit!

        • I do hope you purchase, prepare, toil, and sacrifice all you can for your family & friends and by all means, PLEASE give it away quickly to all that come to your door when the SHTF. Hold back nothing. Every slice of bread, lifesaver, and corn kernel.

          Make it easier, remove your door and paint directions on it and set that door out front of your place. Forget defending yourself from those that want what you have worked for. Yes, defending would be considered a “thuggish ” behavior by those that failed to even buy an extra few days of soup.

          The only “murderous thugs” that will feel “justified” are the dumb mooching shits looking for “someone else” to provide for their crisis subsistence. This social “grande latte, fat free” experiment is about to be over. Becoming responsible & independent is imperative. But that situational awareness view is so obviously long overdue for some short sighted posters.

          Enjoy the ride !

          • She is right about another thing. We do not seem to do much more then talk. We Have The Stats, We Have The Information. What Are We Going To Do With It? talking is not working and prepping does not help the situation at hand it only helps us survive it.

        • I was wondering myself, it the author was blameing Obama or just saying “in the last 3 1/2 years”. What is happening has been brought into being by many white house administrations, not just this one. But it seems that he is the clean up hitter.

        • JoeinNC,

          “We the people” as you state, are fed up with a President who has turned us into a welfare, hand out, entitlement, anti religion and anything goes country. He is the problem and he must go. He did more to damage our country in one term then any other president in history and that includes Jimmy Carter. He is anti american and wants us to become his vision of a socialist society. This man is delusional, dangerous, ignorant and a puppet who is in the hands of the union, George Soros, and all the other NWO psychos. He will go down in history as a sick human being and he will be compared to the worst dictators. Time will show what he tried to do to the american people, the american dream and the american citizen. Bring the rich to their knees, give the poor, the indigent, the illegal’s, the crack heads, the whores and the generational welfare recipients all our hard earned money that we the average citizen give up, but did not earn according to the president. I have had enough of idiots like you and there is nothing you can do to change the truth. Go somewhere else to peddle your garbage, you are part of the problem, if you vote for this president then you should be tried for crimes against humanity. I am awake and I am aware like most on this site. The fact that you would accuse good people of turning into murderous thugs, shows your true agenda.

          • The fact that you are blind enough to believe that Obama is significantly different than G.W. Bush, Clinton, G,H,W, Bush or Reagan show how unaware you are of how things have gotten to this point. Obama is simply the most recent president who is continuing the same policies that tptb have had for a generation or more.

            The fact that you seem completely unwilling to take any credit/blame for the state of the country you live in does a better job validating JoeinNC’s point than his own post.

            So go ahead and vote for the rich white version of Obama the repubs are selling you this Nov and think that things will be different. I am quite certain you will find some way to blame the dems when things simply continue down the same road they are today. I am also certain you will continue to avoid any personal responsibility for the world you and (god I hope not) your children live in while falling for the same lies from those criminals in suits (both d’s and r’s) and convincing yourself that if only everyone was a good christian like yourself and would vote straight party repub the world would somehow, magically become a better place.

            I would ask you to wake up to the reality around you but I have dealt with enough true believers to know whem I am wasting my time.

            Enjoy the fantasy you live in and I can only hope that reality slaps some sense into you.

          • Well Stated……..

            • absolutely

              WELL SAID

          • you are awake you are aware now what will you do with it?

        • Of course we’ll be first to be considered “thugs” the powers that run this country have no need of self-sufficient, honest, gun owning, free people.

          The easiest way to eliminate that class is to call them “terrorists, thugs, and anti-government extremists”

          I think we already see your so called “thugs” they are unconstitutional police officers, they are armed government agents, they are officials who abuse their power.

        • hey joeinNC. I have had a job since I was 14 years old. Since I was 19 years old I have worked 7 days a week 12 hours a day if I could. Why the fuck do I want to take care of anybody??? The fuckin low lifes in this country can eat shit and die for all I fuckin care. The mexicans ended my carpentry business. I got a job on a oil rig but failed the physical because I am blind in one eye. Where the fuck was the government to enforce the American Disability Act. Nowhere. That’s where. If I was black, female, mexican, or gay, I would have had some support. But just a regular white guy??? Nope. Nothing. Did I quit? No. I have two kids ( because that’s how many I can afford not being on welfare and BET ) who need their dad to not be a loser or a bum. So fuck you. I hate to say this but I am actually hoping that half the country starves to death. Look at Africa. Aids, poverty, tribal war, baby machines, etc. Can you even tell the difference between there and the hood here? WTF. Nobody has to live like that. NOBODY. IT IS A CHOICE. A FUCKED UP ONE. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THEM. OBTW, what is my cuttent job. Helping hurricane Katrina ” victims ” get their houses fixed with government money. I do this job as any other. With pride and to the best of my ability. Even if I disagree with some of it. I do not judge. That is not my place. I hope some of what I do does help. I hope some kids get what they need because they are not going to get it anywhere else!! Give them ” your ” money but leave what’s left of mine alone.

          • Mike
            You got a thumbs up outta me. I agree with what you say but I do hate the generalizations I face everyday. I am a Hispanic born in Chicago but raised proudly in Southern Illinois. been working since I was 14 too and at the same warehouse since 19. Have 2 kids (all i can afford) no help from ne one and I hear stupid Mexican jokes and stereotypes almost everyday some people think its funny I keep my mouth shut because I need my job. These people assume all Mexicans are the same so I must be like them. I’m not and if people chose to look at character more than color (the Christian way) they would realize I’m not like most Mexicans and I’m not near as dumb as they think i am or as dumb as they are even. I dunno where I’m going with this but i hate generalizations. Just sayin…

            • Young MAP Good to hear from you. I have worked with many good blacks, latinos, females, and gays were my best clients at times. I have also worked with some of the most worthless white trash you have ever seen. Many mexicans came to my state and sorry building contractors would hire them for very cheap wages and would not carry comp or general on them. It ended the businesses of many tradesmen that I personally know. It is bad for the illegals and everybody else. I have no problem with latinos or anybody else that works for a living. I am sorry for you being lumped into that remark. It is no different than me being considered a crackhead or a convict or a junkie because I was born with carpenters hands and work construction. You know what I mean. Keep the faith and blessings to you for being a good dad. If we meet in the revolution I would like to buy you a beer.

            • Thanks Mike I appreciate that. And believe me if we do meet in the Revolution my kids will be by my side shaking your hand after there daddy does. There are pieces of shit in every shade haha. Guess that’s part of the problem

          • Bravo, Well Said!!!!

        • I have no problem being called a “Murderous thug” 🙂

        • Joe,

          The people on this site, and preppers in general, are not your enemies. Perhaps you have been conditioned to believe otherwise.

          The people who will become the murderous thugs you mention, are the 10’s of millions of people who have no connection to this country other than thier gov bennies. And, the nearly 2 million orginized gang members in nearly every town.

          The people in this country are “self absorbed, and short-sighted” because they have been conditioned to act that way.

          To say you think people who are preparing for the worst shows true ignorance on your part.

          • there is one other group that has no connection to this country

            and that is the multinational corporations who now run this country

            borders mean nothing to them

            they follow the money

            and NOTHING else

            and they too are short sighted and self absorbed

      7. This article really opens your eyes. Its too bad none of this stuff comes out in the main stream media for the general public to see. But than again the people who are getting the free ride really don’t want anything to change anyway and after reading the article there are a lot of them out there. Just going to keep working, making money, and prepping for the worst. I have to support my family and get them prepared for the bad times ahead. I hope you all do the same. Good Luck Everyone.

      8. I’m no O’lalalabama fan. I sure enough know he had a leg up (on making things worse for us) from previous presidents and congress. That being said, I still think he’s and ILLEGAL ALIEN AND ONE DUMB SONOVABITCH! I believe in laying the mantle of blame where it rightly belongs.

      9. The ride is getting bumpier every day and eventually it will come to a screeching halt. Even the seemingly wealthy are feeling it, not the elite wealthy, but the ones who shop at the malls, eat out every other night, buy the latest and greatest thing that is pushed in our faces. Many of them live on credit and when things get just a bit worse, they will suffer from the trickle down effect. The majority of americans are not immune to what we are facing on a daily basis. The economy is on life support, the weather is making it much worse in some areas and the the fall promises to bring forth some very disturbing changes in the way we go about our lives, in my opinion. I take each day as it comes and not much surprises me anymore, I am up for the challenge and may the best man win.

        • I am curious what your elders say about this time.

          • JustMe,

            “When the Earth is sick, the animals will begin to disappear, when that happens, The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to save them.
            ~Chief Seattle ~

            The elders believe we are entering the final days of earth as we know it. Man has shown disrespect for Mother Earth, the water, air, land, all living creatures and basic humanity. The Warriors of the Rainbow will come to rescue these precious things and bring harmony, balance, and respect back to this world. It is the belief that those who do not have the Great Spirit, (God) in their lives and those who do not appreciate, care for and live in harmony with Mother Nature, will parish. The elders believe this time is not far away and there will be a world war three, after which, a new, innocent and kind world will emerge. The world is off balance now and has been for quite some time, eventually she will fall.

            • Ohcumgache,

              Thank you for your reply.

              As I look around, I am saddened. Not just that this country is being run into the ground by psychopathic parasites, but the state of the entire Earth.

              The entire Earth is now covered by some kind of pollution. Money has proven to be more important than all the life on this world. I saw this coming years ago, working the oilfields. I can feel the tension in Nature, see the problems that even simple plants are having.

              I hope your Elders are right, and something of value is saved on the other side of what is coming.

              I wish you and yours Peace, for as long as possible.

            • The earth will be just fine, far worse disasters than humans have come and gone. No so sure how us two legged critters are going to get through though, This corn crop failure could be the real deal as to many starving especially in other countries. I would bet the morons in charge go right ahead with the ethanol scam inspite of the food shortage. Money to be made.

            • Sorry, I can’t buy into anything said by a group of people who never made it out of the stone age and never even invented the wheel.

            • @ Ohcumgache. Well said. There is much wisdom in this from a very scientific approach about the planet. The energy, carbons trapped inside the planet as fuel has been frozen like this for tens of millions of years. When these carbons are re-released into the environment there MUST be change, this is physical law. The last time there was this much carbon in the atmosphere the planet was much warmer. The planet if it was meant to be this warm with this much carbon in the air it would be. When something is thrown off balance, it wants to go back into being eqaulized.

              When someone mixes a strong basic and acid together you get a strong chemical reaction, sometimes an explosion. This is the balance trying to be met. The planet has natural mechanisms that counteract anything that SHOULD NOT BE. It is how quickly it tries to re-establish this balance is how strongly it affects human civilization. A gentle slow response will allow humans to adapt and further poison the environment. A more rapidly response and you could see something like the movie “The Day After Tomorrow” in which extreme climate change occrs and destroys most of human civilization. You cannot have the planet NOT respond to what is being done to it. This goes against physical law of science that all life forms and the planet itself must live with.

              Like I have said with earthquakes, NO ONE should ever under-estimate what this planet is capable of, NEVER!

            • Red Leader,

              Here are just a few things that the Native American Indian has contributed to the world.


              Edible plants domesticated by Indians have become major staples in the diets of peoples all around the world. Such foods include corn (maize), manioc, potatoes, sweet potatoes, peanuts, squashes and pumpkins, tomatoes, papayas, avocados, pineapples, guavas, chili peppers, chocolate (cacao), and many species of beans.


              Indians were the first to raise turkeys, llamas, guinea pigs, and honeybees for food.

              Non-edible plants

              Other plants of great importance developed by Indians include cotton, rubber, and tobacco.


              Indians discovered the medicinal use for quinine. Also, Canadian Indians knew how to prevent scurvy by eating plants rich in vitamin C, and they passed this information along to the Europeans.


              The Maya of Mexico appear to have been the first to use the zero in mathematics. Scholars believe that Asians traveled across the Pacific Ocean and learned about the zero from the Maya.


              Indian governments in eastern North America, particularly the League of the Iroquois, served as models of federated representative democracy to the Europeans and the American colonists. The United States government is based on such a system, whereby power is distributed between a central authority (the federal government) and smaller political units (the states).


              Indian contributions to the modern world’s economy have been enormous. In the 1500’s, Indian labor produced the gold and other valuable metals that helped bring the Spanish Empire to the height of its power. In the following centuries, Indian labor in the North American fur trade contributed significantly to the wealth of England, France, the Netherlands, and Russia. In addition, for hundreds of years the agrarian economies of the Latin American nations have been based on Indian labor on plantations.

              We will be known forever by the tracks we leave. – Dakota

            • Ohcumgache

              Osiyo, Tohitsu?

            • Ocumgache, You left out the part where they killed their infants and elderly when there was not enough food. They never developed a good way to store food or much in the way sustainable agriculture. Old age was 35.

              Please don’t try to glamorize a culture that preyed on it’s neighbors because they were of a different tribe. Go to sweat and open your mind and really seek the truth.

            • red leader do we really want to compare histories of different cultures? white black yellow red tan all the colors have harsh nasty little things in thier past, should we begin listing all the negatives off? heh here is another thing how many Native Americans are in office running the country into the ground?

            • Of course the “advanced” Mayan culture sacrificed their own children.

              As far as their accuracy in predicting future outcomes, the Souix Ghost Warrior prediction did not turn out so well.

              I am very sad about what happened to the Native Americans in our country and our forefathers bear much of the responsibility. They were treated very unfairly and lied to by the government every step of the way, much like today. The reservation system is a total failure as it is in every other example of the government making people dependent on the government. The vast majority of Native American’s have not been able to break out of the cycle.

              There were two elders that I respected in my area that opened their sweat lodge to people of all races. When they died thir own children burned down the lodge and long house. The wife of one of the elders still maintains a sweat lodge open to all on a nearby reservation.

              My point is that if you want to plan for the future and take advice from others, stick with those who have a track record of being right the majority of time, not those who have almost never been right.

      10. When Mitt gets elected he will blame everything on BHO when none of his policies turns things around. Now though, BHO cannot blame GBush.

        • The only way Mittens would be installed, is if TPTB are freaking out so bad about people waking up. Thus installing Mittens to lull people back into apathy. Really can’t see them bothering though, thier agenda is in full swing. They’ll probably make thier play soon.

        • I just hope that if that tax deadbeat gets elected
          he will start paying his fair share
          apparently Mittens is in that group of 47% of Americans
          who pay no taxes
          Mittens has no skin in the game as some like to say


          Mitts own father
          released 12 years of returns
          Mittens response to requests that he do the same?

          “Romney has attempted to deflect criticisms of his decision not to release more tax returns, arguing that he has done everything the law requires.”

          what does that reply tell you ??
          damn straight
          he’s hiding something

          Mitt makes more in an hour than I probably make in a year
          working my two jobs
          and I pay more taxes than him ?????????????????????????

          • they red thumbing you 🙂 I guess they did not read Mitts economics plan 🙂

          • Mitt should not release a damn thing until 0zero releases all his records that have been sealed. I’m no Romney fan, hate his gun control policies, but everytime I see or hear 0zero I want to puke!!!

          • WTF you are starting to sound like an oboma drone he has more than me waaay it’s not fair waaaay he needs to pay his fair share wait ever . If you are gonna believe some BS that of all people Harry reid concocted out of thin air . I’m sure he paid his taxes you do not get to the position he is in and do something as dumb as that. Now granted he may not be my pick but I will promes he would be better then the ass clown we have got now.

            The BL is you Are just as frustrated as the rest of us are at how the GOP gives us who they believe is the best.

      11. We are doing better than average here since we are heavy in both government services and natural gas, but I have been underemployed since 2008. It started out by design, but have had trouble getting back to full-time employment.

        My wife is on a federally funded annual contract which just got renewed so I am always recalculating how much longer we will be in town. Lacking civil unrest we should be able to stay in town through Spring 2014.

        Why would we want to? Although this Fall is my deadline date for current projects, I have a whole other level I would like to reach which includes a bigger earthbermed home with a masonry furnace (rocket stove) and a rooftop greenhouse.

        I know what some are thinking – “We will never make it to 2014.’ I was told we would never make it to 2010 and yet here we are. I am planning for the worst, but hoping for the best. Besides this is my refuge and not only do I enjoy the solitude, but I get a lot more done while it is vacant.

        • yes , pp , i think you are right , ain’t nothing gonna happen that fast , a slow but steady slide into the abyss. so , i keep pluggin allong in the same fashion and hopefully will be “near” ready if it gets ugly.

        • I hope your right. I keep thinking about the fed statement of keeping interest rates down until early 2014. Thats a long way to forecast. What do they got up their sleeves?

      12. Not to worry, China is moving in state by state to help all of us out. I believe the elite will have the communist-in-chief Obama be the “dear leader” over the Nothern hemisphere. Moving “Forward” is the right catch phrase for this year’s campaign. Moving forward into martial law and chaos.

      13. It’s getting harder and harder to find jobs in the new home and/or remodeling market here in northern Michigan. There’s work out there but people are getting tighter and tighter. I’ll work for less than I did 4 years ago so I’m busy for the next couple months but it’s going to be a long winter regardless. We freeze or can what ever is available fresh. Strawberries first, cherries, berries, blueberries and now lots of fresh veggies from ours and friends gardens. The weather took a tole on the cherry market so if you like dried cherries you better get them while you can. The local farmers are getting hit pretty bad all around. Prices are way up and we expect more. Gas was 3.79 this morning. We’ve stocked up on all grains and lots of canned fruit and veggies, nuts and spices. Lots of Quinoa (keen-wa) and rice too. We can’t do much more than we have. Our garden gets larger every year. I buy a few more bullets, a bit more silver and try to keep things as normal as I can. My world is small, which I like. I stay close to home and as close to God as I can. There’s no reason to go to far anymore.

        Peace to all. Unless your pushed…

        • bill – are we competing for the same three jobs ? LOL
          i’m in n.central mich , and ya , residential construction work is near impossible to find at a fair wage.lotta guys undercutting their bids and working for “free” it seems.
          i’m glad i only have a few cows to feed this coming winter because the hay crop is going to be light this year , and forget the corn ,UGH!. good luck ,nieghbor.

      14. Michael once again a great article. You would think more people would have a clue. Just like you have shown the facts are out there most people are so wrapped up in there little world to take a look around and see what is really going on and when it hits them they will not have a clue where it came from. Some of my family are that way, life is good where they are at prices are rising a little but all is good. They still buy all the toys and spend money like they will always have a lot of it. Drives me crazy because here I am every extra penny we get we put in to prepping and pay off stuff. Although you know when SHTF where they will run to.

        • I don’t need everybody else to believe what I believe, just so I feel justified in my actions.

          Never have, never will.

          BTW, My wife likes to remind me, ” your not normal”. Thanks for the compliment, dear.

      15. Just recently found out that a frind of mine’s son and girlfriend are out on the street , living in a jeep close to his work. Cant afford a place to live because she lost her job, and he doesnt make enough to support them both and have a place to live.
        the shit already hit the fan for them, and it wasnt because they werent trying, they are young and just starting out. no roof over thier heads, and not much of a job or income to keep them afloat. Wish I could offer them something, but Im too far away, and they are too proud to take it,(wont even take welfare) at least thats what his dad told me, we tried

        its not going to be long before it gets cold where they are at

        these are young adults with highschool education,came from middle class american families and willing and able to work..thank god they dont have any kids to support.
        just makes me wonder what will become of them and those like them

        • That’s sad. A prayer for them.

      16. It seems very clear that the banksters and the Gubmint can only buy more time
        at this point. I think Michael, lays out his case very well ( no surprises for any one here).
        I think the $64,000 question to ponder is what the reset or the end game will look like.
        Will it be hyper inflation ?
        If that is the only issue, what becomes of all of are retiriees ( grand parents, parents, etc.)?
        Cops, fire fighters, teachers, retired military and any other gov. employee on a pension?
        They will vote themselves in a Master, (commie dictator) that will feed these starving masses.
        I’m just getting more and more depressed following this line of thought all the way out….
        I got to stop here.
        This scares me worse than contemplating an EMP event.

      17. how about pres. bush taking the surplus from the us postal service and putting it into fed general funding, my post man spoke to me about this and there is a letter of protest up on the wall at the post office, and i get tired of all the blame being put on obummer, most of this shit storm was handed to him on day one, i am not voting for obummer for my own reasons, just like i will not vote for rummny the dummny, the truth is this has been snow balling for many years many many years, lets se if any one can pinpoint when it all began, i say around the time lbj took over what do you think, the financial storm started when fdr was in office.

        • The takeover began in 1913, we’re 100 years into it. Basicly, the game is up…

        • @ Satori. Yes, the southern Cascadia is exactly what is believed to let the pressure from the San Andreas off and allow it to move. The southern San Andreas is thought to have broke the last time about 1700 when the Cascadia let loose. 240 years average snapping means it is 72 years overdue to break. Think of the Pacific plate as a giant curved bottle cap twisting northwest or counter-clockwise. The Cascadia fault is like a piece of debris stuck and preventing a lot from the south from following that northwest movement. When the fault releases its energy, and more importantly the mass blocking southernly faults from moving.

          It doesn’t mean that the San Andreas that has built up tremendous pressure cannot be the catalyst to push the Cascadia fault to failure and may well had been what did so before 1700. A horizontal fault has more push than a thrust fault because it is horizontal. Thrust faults are vertical and horizontal. Could be the San Andreas breaks and then the Cascadia fault goes off. That mega strike slip in Indonesia did just this with faults around the world after it threw off a 8.6 or 8.7 and then a 8.2 or 8.3.

          They will always talk about 50 year or similar time frames as to not terrify the people. The fact is that the longer it doesn’t break the more intense it will be WHEN it does. It is interesting to note that pressure release points for the Cascadia fault follow about the same as the San Andreas. Earthquakes of large magnitude along the following line could help release enough pressure to allow the Cascadia to move:
          -Southern Alaska
          -Eastern Russia
          -Central eastern China
          -West of the mega strike slip quake, between Sri Lanka and Indonesia
          -Even the boundary line between the African and the Australian plate in the Indian Ocean.

          Pressure point release can be clear way around the world, as someone is again looking at these faults on a three dimensional scale. Taking a flat tape measure or a flat piece of string on a globe someone can see just how faults and the planet itself doesn’t behave like what a flat map has fooled our eyes into thinking.

          This is what appears to be what could cause the Cascadia fault to break, release to the northwest, or something like the San Andreas pushing it to fail to the southeast. By the way there was a little earthquake of 4.3 at 84 degrees north about 16 hours ago, but this not big enough to make another prediction YET. Let it get up higher and there should be a forecast coming of an earthquake.

          How does this tie into the article above about economic failure? A diaster like this will cause the U.S. economy to go into a deep tailspin and will likely be that torpedo that sinks it. It seems like too often the masses forget what the land below us can do. It could be a geo-physical event that cause the economic collapse.

          • thanks for the input

            I always look forward to your insights



            a natural catastrophe of great magnitude
            might be all we need to push us over the edge

            black swan events when we least expect them

          • @informed- I did a six week trip up the coasts of N cal.oregon, and wash a couple of years back, and you can see physical evidence(land features) off the coast and inland of ancient tsunami’s, as well as some evidence of recent tsunami’s(trees).

            The tsunami’s(and perhaps volcanic activity) caused by a large quake off the coast there would be iceing on the cake.

            But just like an economic collapse(and massive grid failures), that stuff only happens some where else(over there), right. 🙂

            @satori- Perhaps the “black swan” event will be the price(payment,Gods will,karma, or whatever) for the wars we wage (because who and what we wage them for).

        • Satori,

          I live one mile from the beach, I’m 50 feet above sea level. I have been prepping because of this and have been increasing my prepping this week. When the bridge and hwy 101 is gone, no trucks will be coming to this area for a long time. We have been canning tuna and salmon and raising a small garden, and stocking more supplies every week when I go to town.
          I have just recently starting reading this site and have gained alot of knowledge, and a desire to learn more.

          • @OrDuner. I suppose the Or means you are from Oregon, and WHEN the Cascadia fault goes you can definitely expect a very large tsunami. I know that highway 101 runs along most of the coast all the way from eureka area in calif. up to the Canadian border. You are not safe from a tsunami at where you are. It is not so much the elevation, it is the distance from the ocean that someone has to worry about. To show this during both of the tsunamis in Japan and Indonesia the water rushed uphill in many instances, as many after photographs have shown.

            Something called land drag takes the energy away from water movement, this is true with hurricane storm surges also. Even a 30 foot tsunami can force water uphill to much higher elevations, just look at how a simple beach wave of 5 feet can break at exactly sea level and the water of that wave can be pushed to higher than 5 feet in elevation. With a tsunami you are talking about many waves in a series of waves pushing water towards the shoreline. This is not too different than a storm surge. Being one mile away, you would probably have to be up at least 100 feet, maybe even 150 feet up to be safe. One mile with a wave travelling at 30 mph will swamp an area in 2 minutes.

            The tsunami of course is going to be taller the closer someone is to the point of water being moved from the massive displacement of land that is moving and has just moved. Oregon and Washington is right there and most areas will face something that is about 1/3 to 1/2 the maximum strength of the tsunami. The Japanese wave reached 78 feet at the highest recorded, could have been higher in some spots. A 26-39 foot wave for most coastal areas because they expect the Cascadia earthquake to rival the Japanese quake or be a little bigger. A 40 foot wave will almost certainly sweep everything 1 mile away even at 50 feet in elevation.

            There is also something else that people forget about is the close proximity means extremely little warning, especially at night. When the shaking starts, a person may have as little as a few minutes before the water covers them. A family must get to higher ground the second that they can safely do so.

            If I were in that position of being so close to the coast and at 50 feet up, I would find somewhere I could do to that was much higher, 150 feet up at the same distance, or at least 3 miles further inland at the same elevation. Check out some of the photos of Japan and see just how far inland water can go, it is frightening.

            One other thing is the shaking itself. Expect about 600 miles of fault to break with the Cascadia fault, that means about 300 seconds of shaking, one second for each 2 miles of fault break. This is 5 minutes of shaking. Not the common 10 seconds or so of intense shaking of most earthquakes that people go through, 5 MINUTES. Take an egg timer and see what 5 minutes is like, it is a long time. Most structures built on this planet cannot take 5 minutes of shaking if someone is close enough to the focal point of energy, or hypocentre. The epicenter is where the earthquake starts underground, the hyopcentre is where the earthquake waves hit the surface of the planet.

            Just a suggestion, have another location as a back-up for your supplies, because this close to the coastline, it could be underwater. Again, I don’t know whether you are in Oregon or calif, or Washington, and I don’t know where the break will occur along the fault. For safety, 50 feet up and 1 mile away could not be high enough up. If the earthquake is 9.0 or more, it is likely it won’t be. IF it is 9.2 like this article says it could be, this location won’t be safe in Oregon or Washington. You also have to consider the possibility that some of the land mass you are on top of could sink somewhat also from the ground being displaced. This happens with mega quakes.

            There is good news though, IF there is no earthquake in the mega range, your location is far enough away from WHEN times goes to the toilet that your self sufficient ability to get reliable food will put you and your family in a far better position than most people. The earthquake could be many years away, the hell on Earth could be tomorrow or this month. Any case, glad you are preparing, you are the wise 1%.

            • I live in a neihgborhood built on bed rock. At our neighborhood monthly meeting that focused on Red Cross Preparedness we had a local geologist, that also lives in our neighborhood speak. I live in the northern Puget sound. I ask him, what about the big wave. He said – The coast is toast in five minutes if the plates shift.
              The resulting wave will bounce off of the San Juan Islands as it rushes into the Strait of Juan De Fuca. The resulting wave that hits my inland bay area would take out the harbors and down town and leave the rest of the settled land fairly Okay. He said there is a reason he is our neighbor.
              He teaches at the local college. I want to believe him.
              They teach us here that you need to get 100 feet up or a mile inland.I am not sure where you are getting your information, but those of us who live here get it locally.
              In the interm, we have every outdoor sport you can imagine, live next to a huge national forest, in the second largest county in the state, have wild life, fishing, camping, skiing, hiking, hunting,biking,swimming, sailing, and also do not have a drought!
              Our yearly snow capped volcano gets the most snowfall of any mountain in the WORLD!
              We are full of fertile fields of fruits and vegys, hay and farm animals and excellent drinking water, hydro power and no nukes!
              As Satori said yesterday,
              You do what you can with what you have for where you are at!
              live life full and well for these are the good ole days and I may get hit by a car tomorrow.

            • Yep,50 feet not high enough. There are tsunami created land features all along the coast, much higher then that, and far in land.

              Have EVERYTHING(important papers,pm’s,cash,a firearm,water and some supplies) in a bob(ready at a moments notice) or stashed away farther inland.

              If the earth starts a shakin- RUN!!!!!!!

            • @halfkin- Your post makes me want to move there today.

              I hope that professor is correct.

              The ancient people of japan built markers warning future generations NOT to build homes in(below) certain spots(those were ignored by most, and I am sure some professors over there did so also (relying on what they have been taught, and students of history will tell you where that can take you(down the wrong path))

              Question- Is there any evidence of markers left there by past native cultures?(warnings passed down verbally or maybe carved in wood(or stone)?

            • @ Halfkin. I don’t want to insult anyone that teaches at a college, but I have seen this again and again, famous last words. One mile inland is not safe with a 30 plus foot tsunami unless you are up at least 100 feet. Granted that the force of water will be reduced, but there will be flooding. Water with that much inertia behind it will easily go one mile inland. Don’t believe me, check out some of the tsunami induced photos in which water went many miles inland, in some cases areas that were not totally flat. Storm surge shows this all too well with Hurricane Rita and Katrina.

              I remember reading in a text book that it was “assumed” very deep earthquakes, down hundreds of kilometers were impossible over 7.0 because it is molasses like down there and the pressure could not build up that much so. Several years ago there was a 8.1 in Peru that as I can remember 450-600 kilometers deep, don’t remember the exact depth but it was very deep. I called up the USGS and talked with one of the head people there and all he could say was, “it is one for the record books”. Yeah right, I long presumed assumption put to shame the science community by more than 1 full magnitude of energy.

              I have so often dealed with the geological field and unfortunately the professors are often total conformists and have deep horse blinders on and new theories are laugh at and judge like some renaissance era tribunal. I have a theory on predicting earthquakes that would ruled as nothing but a coincidence, yet this has proven to be accurate as just the last time from the series of earthquakes in the polar north showed what was coming again. In a post on this site before it happened, I stated to look for a 6.4-6.6 in the Tonga area, 6.5 or 6.6 happened a little over a hour later in Paupa New Guinea. I also watch central America and a 6.0 occurred there, the largest for that area since 1985. I also said look at Chile, and today 6.1 in Peru. Also stated watch the northern most part of Japan and a little further north there was a 5.7 in eastern Russia over the weekend. I said southern Alaska as a possibility which has yet to happen within the 5 day period I gave on Sunday. 4 out of 5 predictions in the specific areas with one right on with the magnitude is not bad. I do this though not to self boaster my ego, but to come up with a way of predicting earthquakes to save people because those in the scientific community are mostly just too close minded to think outside the box to come up with a theory that can work.

              Back to safety, water can move in strange ways all depending on the way it is channeled in and all depending on just how much land actually moves and just how rapidly it moves. Kinetic energy. People are terrified of the Canary Islands falling into the ocean, but don’t realize that the velocity of this plays into the factor far more than the mass. WHEN it does fall into the Atlantic by the time the tsunami reaches Florida it should be about 9 inches high or so. WHEN the Cascadia fault breaks much of the size and the power behind the Tsunami will be determined by just how much fault break, the depth of the water, the angle of break, and many other factors such as the contours of the shoreline.

              In short, I would not trust one mile as being safe inland, in my opinion and for past photographic proof, this has proven to be a fatal assumption from those swept away by the flood waters. Not moving as fast as on the coastline because of land drag, but enough to easily knock down most structuces. Don’t believe me, check out some of the satellite photos of Japan as proof.

              In any case, just stay safe, preppers are worth it for what is coming, as there are only 1% of the people that prepare left in the population.

            • @ Kevin
              No markers that I am aware of, wish I did know…
              And personally, I think 100 feet AND, not or, a mile inland shoud suffice. I feel sorta okay here, but I am not afraid to RUN!

      18. I am 62 years old and a Viet era Vet. My bet is that there will be no U.S. by the time I’m 65.

        This country is drifting towards Civil War. Pretty soon we’ll be killing each. Maybe some states will take a stand or try to leave the Union. Heck, you can’t expect the Tax Payers in Red State America to keep paying for welfare Mom’s in Chicago and bankrupt California towns filled with Mexicans.

        I’m fed up paying scumbag’s in D.C. to sell their souls to the Chinese, Israel and Saudi’s. The truth is America does not need any of them.

        We all know that ANY MOVE on the 2nd amendment will cause riots……that’s my two cents.

        • It’s time to clean out all the deadwood. We have scores of people who are lazy good for nothings that need a lesson that welfare and freebies are not a right. also your average american needs a cold dose of reality that life can and will deal someone a shitty hand.

        • Amen, and Thank you for your sacrifice

        • Grey Wolf,

          I salute you, and agree.

      19. Greetings all, the situation that we are facing goes beyond the scope of what one person can do. If you are truly objective and honest with yourself it doesnt matter wbo is at 1600 Pennsylvania ave, because that which is happening at this very moment is a design that was concieved and set into motion nearly 60 years ago. People this reset has been meticulously thought out and since its inception every facet of the plan has gone like clockwork. The only thing that can minutely alter this course of action is to do what we are doing in this forum, talk, exchange ideas, and come up with plans that will somewhat lessen the havoc and devastation that is quickly heading our way. Lets cease with the bashing of those that are ambivalent to what you and I obviously can see. Mind control techniques have reached a whole new level of effectiveness, and they are being employed in ways that most cant even begin to understand. This is why many seem not to have a clue. It is part of the grand design. You may be asking what is this grand design and who is behind it ? Currently on the planet there are 7 billion + and counting, in order to sustain and perpetuate life projections and calculations were made that once this number was attained depopulation would have to be implemented, colonizing space was a option but the logistics were off. With the technological advances and population explosion we have seen, the throttle is being pushed, we are at the saturation point.The who behind all this most of you are more than likely aware. This is not a random occurence. All of the problems that are cropping up is a prelude to a (LAE) life altering event and it is heading straight for us. With godspeed. Prep hard, stay alert and do your best to become invisible.

        • Totally agree Gregory! And unless you really dig around, you will never know what you are talking about. I love to hate the blue pill! Good luck everyone!

        • Same game they ran in 1929, just a grander scale…

        • Average Joe when looking at the National debt….” Mr. President, we did not build that…and we won’t be paying for it.”

      20. Please, we won’t have an economic collapse but not saying a 2nd amendment grab won’t happen !!!

        • @ RICH 99. You once said that you didn’t want people to think of you as a sheep, and that you were preparing for SHTF like most everyone on this site which is insight that 99% of the other people lack. You honestly feel that there will not be an economic collapse, but what exactly do you feel is going to happen? Do you just prepare just in case for a magnitude of events, which is always a good idea?

          There are many events that can cause an economic collapse that loom over all of us. I could easily see a plague developing that would flatten the economy in a heartbeat. New deadly viruses break out all the time in plant and animal species. Just recently a deadly snake virus in Australia started up and is horrible for snakes that get it. Human pathogens are just waiting all over the entire regions from 30 degrees north to 30 degrees south. People are so dirty in these countries and more people are crammed into these squalid hell-holes every year. This could easily cause a total collapse of everything just because people could not work and maintain the infrastructure. Viruses spread so quickly also, and those that don’t catch it will likely isilate themselves and not help maintain anything.

          I could see good old Mother Nature letting loose and causing the economy to go to the toilet quickly. I personally cannot see the economy maintaining itself after the San Andreas goes off with a 8.1-8.4 and destroys the 8th largest economy alone, california. I have estimated that the cost of something like this will easily be in the trillions, and more likely surpassing 10 trillion. The life insurance companies will go bankrupt if the death toll is over 500,000, which it could easily be. It is an economic nightmare on top of the strong possiblity of martial law for the west coast and maybe even Nevada and Arizona because of the millions still left alive and homeless afterwards.

          The economy is not just set up by markets, Mother nature pays a huge factor in it as crop prices show this all the time. Corn is not only human and animal food, it is also (unfortunately) ethanol and affects fuel prices. The real problem though is going to be something that the planet hits the U.S. with that has not happened in modern times. The New Madrid Fault in 1811-1812 broke as did a portion of the San Andreas in 1812 did. Coincidence? No way.

          I say this to everyone, NEVER underestimate what this planet can do within an instance. I have felt ONLY about 22% the force of gravity of an earthquake, and this was intense enough to appreciate what an earthquake approaching 200% the force of gravity that many earthquakes can exert. We are all so tiny in comparison to this planet and the shear force it can hit ANY manmade structure with.

        • RICH99,

          I would like nothing more than to agree with you. But, really we’re on borrowed time on many fronts. It may not be fast, or noticable in a day, or week, or even the next month. Take notice how much you can buy with a given amount of money, say $10, even 1 year ago vs. today. That simple test will show you negative economic change. And they can only borrow and print so much…

      21. Per Michael, that picture is NOT the all-seeing eye.

      22. As I walked in to work this morning, carrying my lunch box with a homemade lunch in it. I noticed how many people who weren’t bringing a lunch (which means they had to go out at lunch time and spend about 7 -10 bucks or more), had a $5 starbucks in their hand.

        What these people spend a day on lattes and lunch, I could (and sometimes do) eat for a week.

        Later on in the morning I had a conversation about the local real estate market. Having come from Michigan, I can recognize a housing crash when I see one. And where I’m living now, there’s definitely one coming here soon. Yet these people are talking about buying $200K – $300K homes.

        Are people really this stupid, that clueless? (rhetorical question, no need to reply)

        • I saved and lived poor for years. Now that I’m retired and see the end coming I am going to spend it like a drunken sailor. What’s the point of saving it anymore? A crash is inevitable and inflation is going to kick in hard. Besides I’m 60, how many ticks of the clock could I have? If it gets real bad I have a 10MM bullet with my name on it. I just don’t give a shit anymore. 🙁

          • So…You’re buying the beer then?

        • Michigan is toast..
          how long have you been gone from here?..not that it matters , because its not coming back to what it once was..probably ever

          • Manage to escape about a year ago. Company moved the operations and offered me a position and a generous re-lo package. I wasn’t to sure back then, but I feel about as secure as anyone can in this economy, or at least better off than if I was still in the mitten.

            I know Snyder is trying, but when you got the free loaders in Detroit and Flint, with Lansing not far behind and all your jobs leaving the state, plus the “middle easterners” ripping off the system any way they can, the odds are stacked pretty high against him.

      23. 66. Rich99 just bought some ‘Depends.’

      24. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unemployed-60-100-000-retirement-092100091.html

        Not sure if anyone else here noticed this yesterday. You should all take a look at what the main stream media tells this man. He has amassed a $100,000 in retirement savings, but is unemployed and the writer says put what you don’t need in stocks/bonds 50/50. Very sad.

        I’d like to tell this man: Use $50,000 on a foreclosed or low end home with enough land to grow your own food, and spend another $10k of your money building your own solar system so you don’t need the “mans” power either. You just spent $60k of your wealth but have your home and power settled for life.

        Now get some internet, learn all you can, be self sufficient, and buy only those things you have too. I’d put the rest in gold, silver, guns, ammo, seeds, oh and a water recovery system (AZ got to be tough on water).

      25. Talk about sobering statistics….!

      26. i find it funn that i read this on this day, i live in canada and i think that we will be following the states real quick too, i hear about canada revenu agency going after all the small businesses, we hear alot of small businesses closing, but yet today, i find myself a nice contract for myself, cash job of course, and the labour that we hired was talking about one of his buddy’s companie, hard wood flooring company, and he mentionned that he noticed that he was doing more cash jobs then declared jobs, thats another big thing, all the small businesses that still operate today, are operating because they declare about 20% of all their jobs, its what i do and its what most people do, their is no other way to survive until we actually stand up and destroy what is destroying us,

        dont work for them, work for us

        • That will be another excuse they use to force people to take the chip.

        • It’s what lots of people do–I know of one self-employed man that had a $27,000 loss in 2011; but he has about 6 years of food and supplies tucked away, no bills except a mortgage, 3 vehicles paid for, no credit card debt, a little savings ‘in the house’, AND…just got turned down for re-fi because his debt-to-income ratio showed he was a -1150 each month.
          He’s one of those round pegs they try to fit in a square hole.
          Loan companies..go figure!!!

      27. Y’know, this is getting to the “pointless” stage.
        We informed people already know what’s happening and what’s to come.
        It’s only the brain-dead sheeple that are still living with “normalcy bias” that don’t, and let’s be blunt, it’s too damn late for them now anyway.
        Preaching to the converted really doesn’t do anything at 1 minute to midnight, which is where we’re at.
        GREXIT in < 3 weeks, Spain and Italy to follow, Eurozone collapse , USA martial law, Asian manufacturing collapse, global socio-economic depression 20 x 1930 Great Depression etc. WE KNOW !

        Now, I'm off to watch Dancing with the stars ok ! 😉

      28. Freddy Mae——Broke
        Fanny mac——-Broke
        Social Security-Broke
        Post Office—–Broke
        Cash for Clunkers–Broke

        but the government can fix health care…..ahhh yeah because they have such a stellar reputation..

        they must be fooling someone..but it aint me

        • No government institutions are broke…..not as long as the FED owns the printing press.

          Alan Greenspan told Congress years ago ( regarding Social Security ) “We can absolutely guarantee payments…..but not purchasing power”.

          Meaning just as the FED has inflated the dollar for 100 years, they will continue to do so as long as people will accept them for currency.

          The REASON the economy is limping along now is due to the fact the Govt (via the FED) is printing about 50% of the funds needed to give away in massive social programs. Those didn’t exist in the last depression, so it was quite obvious when there was 25% unemployment and soup lines.

          Today, with extended unemployment benefits, EB cards, Social Security and Disability payments, and so on, there is enough “money” floating out into the economy to make things appear fine. But as more and more of those dollars are printed, the value continues to drop….and the rate of drop is getting faster now.

          At some point in the not too distant future, the dollar will be completely worthless, and then things really will get interesting.

          • Exactly, that is the real reason for the sh&t we are in now, not some nameless, faceless corporation (except for God’s Creation’s corp). Sorry, Walmart, Exxon-Mobil, microsoft, etc. have not brought this country to it’s knees. It is the fed gov’t redistributing trillions of dollars of wealth to people who did not earn it, then devaluing what we have left (what they ALLOW us to keep), but printing trillions more. Sorry I seem pissed, but I am off to bankruptcy court today. I make about the same amount I did 10 years ago, but my expenses have gone up 65% and my purchasing power has gone down 40%. I am basically living on zero, even though I make an average annual salary.

      29. with the drought and other weather conditions making for poor crops this is a time where a person does not and should not waste anything that still has a use….and it is a good time to learn and simplify lifestyles, and learn some real meaningful skills.

      30. THE FAT LADY IS ABOUT TO SING!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all know it is game over, no one or no thing can fix this. The longer they kick the can the worse it is going to be. My gut tells me something big and I mean big is about to happen, as for me and mine we are trying to staying as close to the barn as we can. fix’n defenses on the place and getting ready. Heard from a good friend in state LE and he said, 85% is going to go home when it falls, the 15% left will die quickly if they stay, but they can not see it. He also said the military is about 50-50 on the issue from what he has heard. It’s not looking good for the home team. Thats just my thoughts


      32. 10. Since Barack Obama became president, the price of a gallon of gasoline has risen from $1.85 to $3.49.

        Three months before President Obama took office gas was selling for 4.39 in the US under the Bush administration.

        • Yes, I caught that false fact too.
          January 2, 2008…The day after New Years saw crude oil prices at a record $100 per barrel, with regular unleaded fuel costing an average of $3.05 per gallon.
          April 21, 2008….Gasoline prices jump to a record $3.50 a gallon in some parts of the U.S.
          June 9, 2008…—Retail gas prices rise above $4 per gallon
          July 7, 2008…..The U.S. average price for regular gasoline climbs to an all-time high of $4.11 per gallon.
          Dec. 31, 2008—Crude oil prices plummet below $37 a barrel while the U.S. average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline falls to an amazing 5-year low of $1.61.

          ~~~So, using the last month of 2008, it can be seen as a half-truth; but considering the entire year of 2008, yeah..it’s a lie.

        • Anonymous, you do realize that Democrats were in charge of Congress the last two years of Bush’s term? Congress tanked everything on purpose to make Bush look bad and lose the election. The media conspired by talking down the economy. They were actually complaining about high unemployment when it was less than five percent, which is just about full employment. Bush was not ideal, but things weren’t so bad until the Democrats got control of Congress.

          • Left wing right wing, SAME BIRD!!!!!!!!!!!


            • Tell that to the people of Cuba/China/or Viet Nam.

            • your right kevin left and right dem and rep. they are all there they are all to blame. It is all gov.

        • about time someone saw that one, i was paying around 3.85

      33. Ive said it before and and i will say it again,Either peoples eyes are wide open or they will remain shut no matter what.what scary times we live in..BE PREPARED the best you can!

      34. To everyone: I already see many of these same things on the streets of Memphis everyday. With only half of the population working and paying revenue into the system and the other half living on that same revenue in the form of one government program or another, it’s only a matter of time before the house of cards comes tumbling down. In the weeks and months ahead, the percentage of people working and paying taxes will continue to decline, while the percentage of people on the social programs will continue going up. Their demands for more and more will get louder and louder. Such a situation can be maintained for only so long. When their alleged “entitlements” finally get cut off, they will literally lose it; that’s when tshtf and it’s game on. They’re not going to care who they hurt or what they do; we’ll finally see the absolute worst we’ll ever see in humanity. i really dread what i may have to do in order to protect my home and preps. I’ve spent countless times going through various scenarios in my mind. I’ve often asked myself if faced with someone who’s trying to kill me if i could take a life in self-defense if i have to. I believe none of us really knows for certain ntil we’re in such a situation for real. I pray that nothing happens’ but i know just as well as everyone else here that something will. I’ve already drawn my line in the sand and taken my stand. May God help us all. Take care and keep prepping.

      35. Wow 1 in 4 earning <$10/hour, Australia's minimum wage is now $15.96 per hour or $606.40 per week.

        • As of June 2010, Australia’s minimum wage is $15 an hour, while the U.S. federal minimum wage is nearly half that, at $7.25 an hour.

          Economics textbooks present the simplistic notion that minimum wages higher than the market floor results in higher unemployment. At the time of publication of this index, Australia had an unemployment rate of 4.2% and the U.S. had a rate of 9.4%

          • Interesting.

            The conversion rate is:

            Austrailian Dollar: $1.00
            USD: $1.05

            Thier minimum wage may be higher, but I can’t imagine thier cost of living being lower than in the US. Here is a link to the Austrailian National Debt Clock:


          • Americas #1 export- INFLATION!!!!!!

            #2-Financial “instruments”

            #3-Trash to be recycled.

            #4- weapons of war.

        • What is the cost of living?

          Could you give us an idea? Price of milk, bread, beef, chicken, gasoline, electricity per kWh, car, washing machine, etc?

          Recently, an Australian told a friend in the same profession that the price of a service that goes for $50/hr in the US goes for $85 in Australia. However,they said the cost of a fast food meal is $20 there and about $7 here.

          I was last in Oz in 2000, when the exchange rate was in favor of the USD. It looked to me, then, as though the cost of housing had already surpassed the US and appliances were also more expensive.

          Since then, Australia has instituted a lot of carbon taxes. How has that affected the COL?

      36. You are all right when it comes to food prices and pretty much everything else as well. They are getting out there. Fotunately at least for me, I have beef cattle, a few fruit trees, and family with gardens. I am ordering more fruit trees, planting some more nut trees, and other berry plants. I know they will take a while to mature to get any fruit off but at least if my family does survive I am helping secure our food supply.
        Another thing I would recodmend would be find any discount or salvage grocery stores in your area. You can find some amazing deals in those places. I can buy a can of 28oz Bush beans for 50 cents with a 2014 date becuase it has a small dent in it. My kids love juicy juice and we buy 64oz bottles for a $1. They may have a May date or a an September date on it. You never know but I have tried juicy juice 5 months after the date on the lid and it is fine. My family saves money on food this way by eating this stuff and buying better stuff that will last a long time for our stash. These places alot of times will only accept cash or check so know one expects anything when you pay cash instead of using a credit card.
        My wife has found canning jars in the classifieds for less than 3 dollars a dozen. Scarf stuff like this up. Yard sales are also great for this kind of stuff.
        Here in East Tennessee, we have not been hurt too much by drought. June was dry and hot but we had over 13in of rain in July. The most ever recorded for any month. August has also started off wet. Hopefully, we will have a good deer hunting season as well.

      37. Each of the 65 points listed by Mr. Snyder is a story, a story which just might have received less than 60 seconds on TV news or was buried in the back pages of the newspaper. Yet certainly each one has the face and story of millions of people atached to it.

        Each point has developed over time and by elected officials of both parties. Yet the failure to take the necessary and certainly bitter pill to correct each them is a Failure of Leadership. The exercise of true leadership is the only action which will put the U.S. back on its course to greatness.

        To me, each point is a huge story of the failure of government at all levels here in America. Government actions and largesse is sold to the highest bidder. The World Trade Organization plus United Nation agencies are killing this country. Free Trade is not Fair Trade.

        In my opinion, the end of personal accountability, responsibility and civility by a large percentage of the American population is destroying American society. We were able to come through the Great Depression because of those traits of charactor of Americans.

        MAC. Mr.Snyder’s essay is one to hold in the face of every politician in America and Demand action not words. The first action necessary is to put an end to the career politician and their empire building.


      38. here is what our government is good for, these are the C**Ksukers we want running our health care..and our country?..tell me we arnt done! stick a fork in US

        anyone not thinking the S is hitting the fan is seriously F*cked in the head..how can they not see this?

        and this my friends is the tip of the ice burg for sure

        Congress is sitting idly by Wednesday as the U.S. Postal Service prepares to default on $5.5 billion in retiree health care payments.

        The postal service confirmed in a statement Monday that it would default on its payment to the U.S. Treasury due at midnight on Wednesday. It is also prepared to default on a $5.6 billion tab due Sept. 30 to pre-pay retiree health benefits “absent legislation enacted by Congress.”

        • VRF,

          And lets not leave out that Mr. Obammamma just gave 25 mil to the rebels in syra. Would somebody please take to check book away from (Dumbass) I mena Mr obammamma.


          • I hear ya..

            screwed up without a doubt

          • Have you been listen to other fellow who wants the job? He do that and more. Because we must take care of our friends. And kill our children. When is War not worth going into?

            • Gwyn,

              I hear you, our youngest son just re deployed, 4th time. And for what? I don’t have the answers But I kepp searching.. But I will leave you with this thought.

              Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel a invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose– and you allow him to make war a pleasure” Abraham Lincoln


              Btw i have the books When there is no doctor or dentist, both great reads.. Kinda a reading junkie.LOL

            • @gwyn- There still is a REPUBLICAN nominee that wants no war.(AND I DONT CARE WHAT THE MSM SAYS, IT IS NOT OVER)(YET)

              His name is Ron Paul.

              He IS a nominee.

              MANY court cases against the republican parties vote fraud and antics.

              If that hard ass ex-marine federal judge rules in favor of Ron Paul, delegatess will be free to vote their conscious.

              RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

      39. Ill say it once,ill say it again.use a CCard,use it wisely for preps.Do not worry about anything if your govt is in debt and really unable to service the debt,where do you and i stand in the scheme of things.It’s either a reset,not gonna happen or hyperinflation,will happen.

      40. Micheal Has always put the shyt on the line, and its all backed with STATS. The problem is that the Info never gets out. He can write it all day long but if nobody sees it, that is a big problem.. I figure there are around 300 ppl that post here on Mac’s site. If everyone of us took the time to send this to everybody in our e-mail accts and ask the others to folks you send it to to pay it forword, how many people would it reach???????????????????????? Kinda looks like our national debt LOL

        Just a thought,


        • Like we always say you have the info you have the data, now what will you do with it?

          • AnonLegion,

            I tend to print it and spread it, most of the small towns around me have no clue whats going on. But when you bring it up they are all ears. I wonder If I could get a grant for printer paper? LOL

            Have A great Day brother,

      41. A friend and I took a walk today through the downtown mall. It is small compared to malls in larger cities. We were surprised at the number of vacant stores, just in the last couple of weeks. We also took note that there were very few shoppers. The local newspaper is constantly doing stories on how the local employment figures are climbing. Do we believe the local rag; or our lying eyes?

        • I can also back up your view.

          I did a self area assesment over the past month, saw the same as you are reporting. The area I am near, ( had to go a bit out of my comfort zone because im a bit secluded, ) but with my favorite protection at my side I made trip to a few local malls, and buisness areas and commercial lands..let me say it looks pretty dismal.

          many empty vacant store fronts, many commercial real estate signs, many single family real estate signs, and even the small kiosk that used to line the isles of a pretty large mall were non existant from what I remember from being in this particular mall a few years ago.Even after the 08 debacle..even more are gone.

          and none of it has come back since 08..and even more have left since than.

          large commercial real estate still closed and up for sale.
          even some residential real estate that looks like it has sat since 08 or maybe even before that..very over grown and some of it with vegitation growing on the roof of commercial buildings, that would indicate many many years of neglect.

          bank owned or real estate owned properties that seemed to be forgotten and left to rot.

          easy to see a population drop of a very large magnatude, and a lack of heavy industry to support any real jobs.

          There is no recovery, at least not from what i saw, and not in this area.Chances are , never will be.

          traffic on the highway seemed diminished from what I remember, and local roads were easy to navigate due to few other vehicles

          seemed to me that a once vibrant area was dead, and void of positive growth

          • my area is still doing fairly well

            housing is down
            but sales still fairly decent

            new regional dept store just opened a branch here and doing a brisk business
            several new chain restaurants moving in

            Wally World’s parking lot isn’t quite as full as it used to be
            dollar stores doing a brisk business

            local mall was totally renovated inside and out
            several major chains moved in

            it all depends on what part of the country you are in
            differences are from one end of the spectrum to the other

      42. This discussion was on why KCRG allowed comments on the chik-fila appreciation day and not allowed to comment about the 2 little girls kidnapped last week.

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        I can’t believe KCRG is allowing people to comment on this story their monitor must be gone. I think it would be more beneficial to comment on the attempted abduction in C.R. last night but they have that story blocked. KCRG is like the government go to KCCI they let you comment on everything. They are grown up and can handle when things get heated unlike this website.
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      43. time is running out so with the preps I have I am probably screwed, ahhh but I iwll go down trying at least better than those who are still in slumber that will be shocked when woken from their slumber by military to drag them to camp……

      44. people love to rant and rave about “welfare queens”
        and food stampers
        etc etc etc
        blah blah blah

        well there’s another piece of the story


        as several US Senators have said “the banks run the government”

        economic downturns don’t just happen
        they are deliberately engineered
        these people aren’t stupid
        they are evil and greedy

        they don’t give a damn about one country or the other
        profit is profit
        British pounds,American dollars,Japanese yen
        its all the same to them

        the evidence that bankers run things is absolutely overwhelming
        I wish to God it was crazy tinfoil hat stuff
        but there is simply TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY

        • I agree with you.People constantly complain about the programs for the poor.This is what the globalists want. Divide and conquer. They do not care about us debt slaves poor or not. They love it when the “house” slaves look down on the “field” slaves. It keeps the focus off of them. 77% of JP Morgan’s net income last year was through gov subsidies. Where’s the outrage? Do we need these banker leeches? Hell no.But our corrupt legislators let them go on looting the common man. It is a plan bigger than any of us would like to admit to. Think your gov (federal, state or local) is really broke? Get a look at their Comprehensive Annual Finance Report(CAFR) and you will see that most have large surplus slush funds that the public never sees.Like in Calif. where they found that 56 million hidden in off budget accounts nearly all corp gov entities have these hidden funds with assets and interest bearing accounts.Broke my ass. They are all committed to the looting of America.

      45. Sure, you SAY things are bad, but where’s your EVIDENCE? 😉

      46. Did I miss it on the list? The post office is about to shut down.

      47. Viewing the signs suc in Hawaii, no recession here. I have to get a Hooter’s girl that can do air nav from my helo while on the job. 65 was a bad year w Johnson in charge.

        • John Jr flew into the water.

          The real Kennedy tragedy–three empty seats.

      48. Ted Kennedy, you’re cracking me up!
        How’s things in the afterlife? Is it cool there? Warm? Where’d you end up?
        What kind of helo you got? Please say it’s not one of those tiny little two seat egg beaters. They look like fun, but where you gonna keep the cooler?
        Say hello to Jack and Bobby for me.

        • You know your coins Oak. I’m ALIVE! It’s a rental along with the right seat. 81 degrees in Oahu today at top of mountain.

      49. So Barack, “globalisation”, how’s that working out for you? And you’re happy that the infrastructure contracts going to chinese state owned enterprise companies is not an act of treason given your trillions of international debt? Na you’re right, the citizens are too sleepy to work it out. You get to boil the toad slowly before it gets the chance to jump out and save itself. Oh, are you going to eat the toad when it’s cooked? Might as well, it’s not going to magically come back to life, is it?

      50. *Poops on the escalator*

        Ahhh much better…

      51. Chick-Fil-A sold $16 trillion worth of chicken yesterday!
        Forget the gay/straight marriage argument for a minute. If only congress had thought to put a special one-time dollar per sandwich tax on them…we could have paid off the national debt! Talk about a squandered opportunity.

        All the sensible and relevant comments that could be made on the actual article have already been said (as is usually the case by the time I show up here). So… I shall now ascend to the lofty heights of the soapbaox and feebly attempt to wax eloquent on the matter at hand, that is- the homosexual agenda and how it has ruined absolutely everything in the World! Stay with me, this will eventually make sense (or not)…

        How The Gay Agenda Has Destroyed America And The Whole Freakin’ World- Part I
        I’ve just about had it with the limp wristed crowd and their constant whining (in a high pitched nasal falsetto that’d make Barry Gibb proud) about all their ‘so-called’ rights. First of all, you don’t have the ‘right’ to parade your sexual preference in public. Even if it wasn’t sick, twisted and perverted. Not even straight (normal) people have that right.
        Why couldn’t you people just stay in the closet? Then, us normal folks could drink Coca Cola, eat oreo cookies and listen to Elton John songs without feeling so guilty. But nnoooo. You had to go and make a show of your “Coming Out.” You act as if discovering your sexuality is something worth celebrating.
        If that were the case, every 12 year old boy in America would be anxiously waiting for their Puberty Party- you know, the one with the cake, the condoms and the Playboy subscription? And just like all those Subway restaurants everywhere, there would be a Hooters in every college men’s dorm in the country. You see how ridiculous that would be? We’d never get the bbq stains out of the carpet.
        Secondly, all you people with a libido pointing to the southwest like a broken compass, why can’t you quietly accept the tolerance you’ve been given and stop with these weird parades? Regardless of how one is oriented, nobody with a sane mind is gonna take you seriously when you dress up like refugees from a Barnum & Bailey freak show. We’ve all seen the Wizard Of Oz, and we know for a fact that Dorothy never had a mustache or chest hair. And the lion, cowardly as he was, would NEVER allow the scarecrow to touch him like that. So knock it off!
        Thirdly, your statistics are as inflated as your egos. Everybody in America knows someone who is gay. That’s true. But we also know that your claims of 10 to 12% of the population is actually double (or triple) the real numbers. Hollywood and San Francisco excepted, of course. You are a tiny minority. And the louder you scream for recognition, the more of the majority you will wake up. And stop screaming in that Janet Leigh Psycho voice, it’s starting to get on our nerves.
        Lastly, can’t you people see what you’ve done to this nation and our proud culture? There was a time when any man driving a pickup knew he was secure in his masculinity. I mean, he was driving a PICKUP for crying out loud! Of course he was straight. But now, some of you have left off cruising around in your chartreuse colored beemers and traded them for F150’s and Silverado’s. You’re confusing everybody!
        Years ago, a man who played pro football was automatically straight. In fact he was considered macho. Today, thanks to your meddling, we aren’t so sure if we want to cheer for the Cowbaoys and Redskins or not. Maybe there’s a double entendre there and we’re sending the wrong message and don’t know it.
        And certainly, any guy wearing a Stetson was as straight as an arrow. But now, ever since the debacle of Brokeback Mountain, we can’t be sure. Your so-called rights have cast a shadow over all of us normal people. We have to drive all the way across Wyoming without any head covering at all, just to be on the safe side. And don’t forget about the drop off in business at the Cheyenne Frontier Days Rodeo. You people are personally responsible for this economic downturn, and you should be ashamed!
        Oh, one more thing. And this is serious. I’m sick and tired of having to explain your perverted public behavior to my grandkids. I mean it! The next time my wife (who is very much the opposite gender of me, by the way) has to explain your antics to our 4 yr old grandson, she’s also gonna have to explain to him why Grandpa got arrested for assault!

        • Q. E. D. 🙂

        • I just had to google chick-fil-a, I have been hearing chatter about it for a couple of days.(I live a sheltered life I guess, I pay no mind to kfc either)

          When I first typed it in the search engine, I thought it would end up beeing the hooters of fried chicken or something. 🙂

          • Some fool told me Hooter’s sells sandwiches. People will believe anything!

      52. Great article, but why is it that none of this is mentioned in mainstream news and why is it not being exposed in the presidential campaign?

        • mmm..Gov. controled media censorship, can’t let the sheep get restless

      53. smokinokie,
        thanks for the lol this morning. I am with you. I cannot get any family or friends to do anything but take a passing glance at how bad things are. And I am so sorry to say I know some people who would vote just to keep their welfare. It is indeed depressing. The average person is so confused, they do not know what to believe and do not have the time or mentality to think it through. They live on sound-bites. I pray everyday that God will give us a decent Leader again. The American people still have a heart for God deep inside. Under the right circustances it can show forth again. I still love and believe in my country and it’s people. Americans are still good.

        keep prayed up and prep.

      54. mmmm…gov control/
        censorship perhaps, can’t let the natives get restless.

      55. Hmmmm. I believe you are bias Michael Snyder, maybe the political passion has taken over some more deep reasoning. Yes, our economy has been in recession, yes, the recession has caused many pains to our society, yes, it is also improving, no, the recession did not start with Obama’s presidency, please check the fact before blaming a individual or group of individuals, the recession started about the 3rd quarter of 2007, Obama did not assumed the presidency until January 2009!! The raise of unemployment, inflationary signs, etc. where in place since the middle of 2007.
        I see your lengthy list of “SIGNS”, most if not all of them related to the same sign…recession.
        Let’s keep an open mind and check our facts.

      56. I am a professional day trader and investor. I watch the markets every hour, on the hour on every day. I trade, currencies, stocks, and metals. We are in a financial crisis BUT it is fixable. Lets not give up on america and still have hope that we can get out of this economic crunch. It is possible for the US to get out of debt. Not to say that we shouldn’t be prepared, I have enough food storage to last me for ten years and I also have enough ammo and guns to arm a small country. but to me prepping is like insurance, I have it, but hopefully I never have to use it.

        • This nation is into how many trillions unfunded??
          What part of unemployment do you not understand?
          How about the drought covering this nation that will take lots of jobs away, and businesses closing every week, baby boomers retiring at 10,000 a day??—oh, yeah, you’re a trader and have no clue the dire straits the brilliant leaders(facetiously used here)have run this country into.
          Fixable??? Fixable??
          What ARE you smoking??

      57. Ooohh…I just love the “It’s all God’s will” etc posts..
        I respect your right to your opinion & to post and I post my response thusly:

        What we have is scientifically demonstrable human greed, stupidity and incompetence at work causing the problems we’re all facing and not the work of 5 billion year old unproven extra-terrestrials.

      58. True, but just becuase things have got worse in Obama’s time doesn’t mean he’s responsible for it … watch the film “Inside Job” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(film)) to find out who’s to blame for a crisis that’s been 20 years in the making – and that was avoidable.


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