If You Are On This List You May Be In Grave Danger

by | Dec 26, 2012 | Headline News | 388 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Over the weekend a mainstream media web site on the east coast published, presumably in the interest of public safety, a complete list of individuals and businesses that are licensed to carry or own handguns.

    Much to the amusement of those who would confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens, the list, complete with an interactive map, essentially allows those who are preparing to commit such crimes as burglary, robbery or worse to locate specific addresses where residents are armed.

    The problem, of course, is that in their haste to publicly out and embarrass legal gun owners, The Journal News actually did exactly the opposite of the intended purpose of their exclusive breaking report.

    You see, now when a criminal gang decides to target a particular home they can utilize the new map to zoom in on specific homes in a neighborhood to determine if they will be faced with any sort of danger should they choose to attack a particular target.

    Put yourself into the criminal mind and consider what you might do should you be compelled to rob a home or business at gunpoint. With that new map available to you, would you be headed to the residence where there is a strong likelihood that someone is armed, or would you skip over that particular house and head to where you know there would be little, if any, resistance?

    It’s the epitome of irony.

    When gun-grabbers and their ilk laugh about the new interactive map publicly exposing lawful gun owners, what they have actually done is outed those citizens who have no means of defending themselves.

    It’s pretty safe to say that if one were to have a sign placed in front of their home, Americans would overwhelmingly prefer to have this one:

    As opposed to being the neighbor in this photo: 

    In the near future criminals are going to realize the internet is a powerful tool for determining the feasibility of striking certain targets. It’s only a matter of time before flash mobs begin to organize, not against gas stations or pharmacies, but private citizens and residences. Should such a thing happen, and fifty people kick in your door and intend to have their way with your family and property, those millions of assault rifles that have been flying off the shelves around the country are going to come in real handy.

    While we cherish our privacy and agree that the outing of gun owners has gone beyond responsible journalism, if their is going to be a list, we’d rather be on the one that has our residence listed as heavily armed as opposed to the alternative.

    You may be one of those proud non-gun owners who didn’t make the east coast list.

    And if you are, you should be terrified, because you may very well be in grave danger.


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      1. If SHTF no one will be looking at the internet. Survival would be the all consuming activity.

        I see the zeal of the anti gun people to be their Achilles Heel. They fail to realize that gun owners are 70 million in number. So yes please in your passionate drive for a gun free America demonize as many guns as possible. 70 million votes? Damn that’s a big number.

        • Depends on what stage of the action we’re talking about.

          As long as the Internet is still up, criminals have a handy tool (viz. this interactive map thingy) to determine which neighborhoods to raid first, even if they’re just planning ahead.

          Mid-collapse, the Internet may remain up for some time (it is after all designed to withstand a nuclear frickin’ war), possibly as long as the electricity does.

          Long story short? In my neighborhood here in the sticks (full of gun owners), I’ll likely be avoided, whereas most of the eastern Portland area (where granola-chompin’ tree-hugging gun haters live) will be ripe targets.

          • I long for the moment when some thug breaks into one of these houses and is blown away by someone who was identified as NOT having a gun because he/she had enough sense to have a gun bought via a private sale.

            Assume these homes are easy pickings at your own risks.

            • I agree, but criminals are playing odds anyway, and this little map likely increases those odds in their favor.

              A typical burglar has some priorities themselves (get in/out quick, insure no one is home, look for and grab small high-value objects, etc), but overall, aside from some cursory checking, they expect surprises more than the typical homeowner.

              • oh I agree with you 100%. It’s a numbers game (pardon the use of the phrase, it’s not a game), but with the various rushes the last four years to arm up, a certain amount of people prefer “private sales”. Being a numbers game, those odds of busting into a home with a private sale gun inside with a user behind it have increased also. It will happen. Thanks.

                • It is a scientific (and indisputable) fact that Second Amendment advocates are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue; these slobs are extremely gullible and incapable to think for themselves – trained not to think. Moreover, these brutes are lovers of wealth and pleasure; they are selfish, slothful, indolent and can be inspired to raise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe.

                  These mules are unable to grasp that gun manufacturers in the United States are amassing huge profits driven mainly by fear and paranoia of an imminent economic collapse and the subsequent social unrest.

                  Furthermore, these so-called “patriotic” Americans cannot envisage that the Federal Government has already prepared a national database of all gun owners in the country, so if Martial Law is enacted due to the scenarios posted before, these good-for-nothing will be requested to turn their guns in exchange for food coupons and a symbolic monetary compensation.

                  Those who ignore this mandate will be legally held as Enemies of the State and lethal force can be used by law enforcement authorities if they perceive some sort of resistance during the confiscation process.

                  Americans do not have a single clue of what Martial Law is all about and hundreds of thousands may foolishly die as a result of their misguided (and chauvinistic) patriotism.

                • @ Franz the gooberment snoop. you are a troll

                  so yeah… What ever floats yer boat.

              • Yes, but on the other side of that coin is that it gives criminals looking for a gun to steal a list of potential homes to target too. All they have to do is scope out the home and figure out the pattern of behaviour the owner has and when they are not home to know when to strike. Thus, these irresponsible “journalists” have just increased the danger to the public from gun crime.

                • This list only covers handguns. Houses with long guns present are not listed. If home invaders make an assumption that an unlisted house is not armed, they may be in for a big surprise!

                • Depending on the locale or remoteness of the home, most burglars will not spend the time or energy to break into a gun safe. Nor will they mess with a house with a barking dog. My safe is locked any time I’m not inserting or removing a weapon. Any weapon not in my or my wife’s immediate possession is locked away. This is (and should be) the same for any ammunition not in the weapon – usually in a different safe.

                • Well if they do they are going to have to go thru some reinforced gun case its possible but not fast or easy. No for criminals its not that hard to get illegal guns so its the Sheeple they are going to go after plus good luck trying to go thru my reinforced back and front door as well as 2 cane corso and security windows.

                  People that like security spend their money on security and not Starbuck. What it cost to drink shit coffee at Starbuck for a year you can secure your house, not impossible to get in but hard, even for those in Uniform. So bring the big guns.

                  So who is going to help the Sheeple if SHTF?

              • Not everyone breaks into your house to steal.
                Do you have a wife?
                A daughter?
                A son?

                • or if the intruder is a Muslim…. a goat ?

            • And on top of that, it was a list of handgun owners. You would be surprised how many people own shotguns, which are better for home defense any ways. 9 pellets or 1? I’ll take 9. I swear our country’s intellect is on the decline both street and common sense.

              • You’d think that even the dopes at some ObamaNazi rag would understand that many of us LAW ABIDING gun owners aren’t “Rambo” and we’re not pretending to be. Many of us don’t have the skill or the money to own a Desert Eagle, an AR or Colt 45. A nice simple pump action 12 gauge suits both our modest budgets and our modest skills.

                Just call us the mild mannered nerds who WILL NOT BE FUCKED WITH.

              • Well, they could definitely come to my home even though not listed on any list..However, they will be very surprised to find a German Shepard who is trained to attack on command and several hunting rifles, shotguns and other toys and I am a very good shot ; ). Ha, and 2 other dogs that love their Mama!!

              • Not everyone is IGNORANT.

                Many eschew the shotgun because of LENGTH – ever try to maneuver in a confined area with a LONG FIREARM?

                Ignorance can be cured, of course. The Remington 870e is MADE for home use, and if one can’t get one (they’re very popular), then a competent gunsmith can do the job just as well.

                However, what I object to is people like YOU. If you are as brilliant as you claim, then EDUCATE – don’t call NAMES.

                • Hacksaw will do the job, and a file for the burrs. Do not use a powered cut off tool, it gets the metal too hot and ruins the tempering- Also works on Obama’s nuts.

            • In NY State, Long guns ARE NOT REGISTERED.

              In NY State, you DO NOT NEED A PERMIT to own long guns.

              There are LOTS of houses that are not in that list that have protection.

              • It doesn’t matter what guns and types are registered. This list benifits the feds more than the criminals, though the feds could be classified as a criminal gang.
                Even the local police will have an easier time if and when the call is made to disarm the citizens.
                Basically, because of this newspaper’s reporting, they should be out of business soon. Hopefully the backlash of readers should drop drastically.

            • Invincible Ignorance by Thomas Sowell

              “The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.

              If gun control zealots had any respect for facts, they would have discovered this long ago, because there have been too many factual studies over the years to leave any serious doubt about gun control laws being not merely futile but counterproductive. …

              Yet many of the most zealous advocates of gun control laws, on both sides of the Atlantic, have also been advocates of leniency toward criminals.

              In Britain, such people have been so successful that legal gun ownership has been reduced almost to the vanishing point, while even most convicted felons in Britain are not put behind bars.

              The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

              In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s – after decades of ever tightening gun ownership restrictions – there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies. …

              Guns are not the problem. People are the problem – including people who are determined to push gun control laws, either in ignorance of the facts or in defiance of the facts.

              Some years back, there was a professor whose advocacy of gun control led him to produce a “study” that became so discredited that he resigned from his university.

              This column predicted at the time that this discredited study would continue to be cited by gun control advocates. But I had no idea that this would happen the very next week in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.”

              lewrockwell dot com

              • You state statistics that you say are based on a multitude of studies, yet you give not one reference to back up what you say. You have misrepresented much of the statistics that you site. In 1997 there were a total of 7 instances of violent crime, the year that gun control began there were a total of 19. That is not 100s of armed robberies. There were 19. You have posted this same misleading information on various sites and on YouTube. You have been proven wrong over and over again. Since you continue to state these statistics as fact while you are aware it is not, means you are simply a liar.

              • Again, you are quoting the same misrepresentation of statistics. Anyone can publish an article, a video, a comment, etc. There are no verified facts anywhere in. this report that Rockwell has thrown out there. Do yourselves a favor and do the research before you continue to quote Rockwell on this issue. Research each of these assertions that he has made and cite the references. Otherwise you are just blindly following workout direct knowledge and that makes you the sheeple.

          • Some avid gun owners [ahem!] like eating non-GMO granola

          • So the internet goes down..BFD..ever hear of a printer?

            so they print it all out today while things are up and running..printed paper doent need electricity to work

            • You’re right, but printers do need ink (usually pricey), paper, and some means to organize it all.

              That said, I do find myself printing a lot of stuff out for the ultimate rainy day.


              Speaking of which, I stumbled across some old stuff I had printed back in high school, when I pretty much ran the school paper. It was dot-matrix (9-pin) done-up on an ancient Apple IIe. The paper was a bit yellowed, and the printer ink had faded by quite a bit. Still legible, though.

              I bring it up not out of nostalgia (though the article bitching about the principal’s policy of benching some athletes who got caught drinking off-campus was a doozy). I bring it up because the stuff we print now may not be all that legible in 40-50 years’ time.

              The papers I referred to from high school are just over 25 years old now, and not getting any younger. The paper was fairly top-end continuous-feed stuff, and the ink was middle-of-the-road quality-wise (I think the printer was one of those Okidata 830 types that seem to hang around forever). Mind you, the papers were kept cool and dry for the most part all this time (sitting in a box), so it’s not as if it was hanging around moldering in a garage.

              I noticed that among those articles also sits stuff I’d written up in both ink and pencil… the ink has various results (some faded all to hell, some just as strong as the day it was written), while the pencilled stuff had a consistent quality that was still quite legible.

              So what happens to all this stuff that we print/write/pencil up in 50 years’ time? Say collapse hit over the next 5 years (sounds about right to me)… then count up 45 years after that? Printers are going to be a pipe dream. Hell, *paper* may not be all that common by then.

              I guess what I’m getting at is, now would be a great time to stock up on a shitload of good quality clean paper, and a shitload of pencils with maybe a cheap sharpener or four in there. The stuff keeps for an amazing amount of time if you keep it cool and dry, and pencil leads never dry up like ballpoint pens would. Keeping a few blank diaries would be a capital idea too (I mention that in the book already, but…)

              Meanwhile, for the really important stuff? I strongly suggest not only printing out a couple copies of the good stuff, but keeping enough blank paper and pencils around to replicate it all by hand if you had to. Why? Because someday, you may well have to do just that.

              • Laminate it…

              • I understand

                but my comment was about the site that crooks would use to determine what houses had guns and what would happen if the net went down..
                thats why I said, they would print it now and have it for later..

              • I have printouts, both dot-matrix and inkjet, from the 1980s and I cannot see any fading whatsoever. I have papers that I have written in pencil and various types of ink (ballpoint and cartridge) from the 1960s and have not seen any fading whatsoever. I have documents from over 150 years ago where the ink has turned brown, but is still just as legible as when first written. If you print or write things on good paper and keep it safe, you should be good for over 100 years.

              • OC,
                Don’t ruin the ending for me…
                I bought a copy of your book before Christmas, and the damnedest thing happened,
                My wife picked up my iPad, and started reading the shtfplan thread I was reading,
                That happened to be writin by you.
                Would you believe she ordered me your book for Christmas?
                Now I have 2
                One I will give to a friend.
                If its anything like your comments it should be good…
                I hope it doesn’t suck.

              • You can eat the paper also. Tastes like democrat jizz.

            • Printer?!

              Ever heard of hand printing? You know, good ole paper and brushes and ink?

          • But can it withstand the sharks with frickin’ laser beams attached to their heads?

            Heh had to…

            • Funniest thing I have read on this site ever!!!! No sharks with frickin laser beams, just angry sea bass!! Great Austin Powers reference, made my afternoon!

          • Some Gangs are a prepping in their own way today, just as law abiding citizens are. Today they have access to printers, even if the Internet goes down tomorrow.

            So gangs that have military members for the purpose of coming back and training their street homies now haven’t printed off the list and tucked it away in a safe place. Gang hierarchy usually contains a couple of PHD’s, a medic, a few veterans etc and these people are not stupid.

            If on a public list like this though I’d MOVE now least, my home be robbed for my firearms while I am out of the house one day by some fanatic. Few ordinary gun-owning adults have enough adults in the household to have someone on guard 24/7, most intend to consolidate their living arrangements post shtf. Plans for adding extra adults to the home need to be moved up if you are on the list and intend to stick around. OPSEC has been destroyed.

            Those who seek to control the behavior of others often contain complete hypocrites – like the evangelical pastor/politician who preaches family values whilst visiting his mistress every Tuesday and a rent boy twice a month. Some of these homes ON the list will now be targetted so that their firearms can be stolen (guns and ammo keep increasing in monetary value and are worth theiving)

            Homes not on the list now have a neon flag saying “it’s OK to rob me”. Publishing this list has done noone ANY favours.

          • This list was for handgun permits only. I hope the first guy to use the map for crime gets a chest full of buckshot. My father in law has a shotgun (he isn’t really a gun guy), but no pistol. He lives in one of the mapped areas, but only one of his neighbors showed up on the map. In my opinion, the odds of him experiencing a break-in just went up a little.

            This will be the kind of thing we see outing pro-lifers, Tea Partiers, Christians, etc. in the future. Best stay off the radar while fighting for The Resistance.

            Esse Quam Videri

          • Just to say – I’m a granola-chompin’, tree-huggin’ hippie who LOVES my guns! Hey, granola is pretty tasty. 🙂

          • Not to mention those fat dipshits from Portsmouth, VA who now reside in bucolic Beaverton! That’s right, GM, I’m talking about your fat dumb ass!!

        • @Everybody that values the right to self protection and the 2nd. Amendment as much as I do.

          There is already a petition going for the deportation of piers morgan, but there is some real underlining reason why piers is so much after ALL gun rights, which he stated on his show when asked how many of the 300 million guns would you like to see removed, he said ALL of them. IF this was accomplished it would put the SOLE responsibility of the country’s national security on the shoulders of the army, national guard, and police and law enforcement. This would be something that the founding fathers of the U.S. NEVER intended to happen, and would be an egregious violation of the 2nd. Amendment written to ALWAYS have the back-up of a civilian army to help secure that the United States did not fall to an enemy invasion.
          Severely limiting the amount of firepower, (e.g. banning assault rifles) that a civilian militia (army) has against a well armed enemy is also going against what the founding fathers wanted and the basics of the 2nd. Amendment, the country to be able to defend itself on EQUAL or better terms that those attacking the country. I don’t think that those that wrote the constitution wanted Americans going up against enemy foreign troops or terrorists armed with AK-47’s or other similiar weapons with single shot firearms.
          When a foreigner ATTEMPTS to change that of our most basic protections and cornerstones of freedom, those that are responsible for the security and protection of the United States of America against all enemies including countries, terrorist organizations and groups, and individuals, there is a real need to further examine with much scrutiny what is really behind this. There were much legal debacles in England that piers morgan had to answer for, and personally with me this completely throws the issue of trust into the equation here. Can we trust what piers morgan is doing for the well being of America? In my opinion, NO WAY!

          The following is an example of what someone could construct in the form of a petition to the United States Whitehouse to address the need to at very least do some serious fact-finding about what piers morgan is truly up to with his deep obsessions to ban all guns in America like he stated he would want on his CNN show. To also have him throughly questioned by trained international law enforcement to determine what his agenda and motives really are.


          We petition the Obama Adminstration to:

          Fully investigate, question, and personally interrogate Piers Morgan through the Department of Justice agencies as possibly being affiliated with enemies of the United States.

          Piers Morgan of CNN has clearly stated that he wants ALL 300 million guns removed from the United States and has engaged in vigorous “excessively obsessed” campaigns to disarm the well regulated citizen militia GUARANTEED under the 2nd. Amendment to help protect AND provide national security to the United States of America, especially in the event the armed forces and law enforcement cannot. We request immediate F.B.I. and/or other Justice Department agency probes under the suspicion that Piers Morgan could in someway be associated with a domestic or foreign enemy power determined to weaken the internal defenses of the United States. We insist that IF any form of conspiracy is found to be of any threat to the preservation and stability of the 2nd. Amendment or any other parts of the United States Constitution, that Piers Morgan have all visa rights revoked immediately and be held and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

          • Funny thing is, there’s a counter-petition out now by purported UK citizens who say they don’t want him back 😉

            (story is up on PrisonPlanet)

            • Funny, the Brits not wanting Piers back.

              Funnier still. Mark Steyn sat in for Rush Limbaugh on the EIB network today and said, tic, that TPTB were now looking for a third country to take Mr. Morgan. So far only North Korea has said they will accept him. Of course if he goes he’ll have to broadcast on North Korean Television and the only guest he’ll ever have will be Kim Jong Un.

            • Drop him in Israel.

              Why no mention of the SSRI antidepressant connection?

              • $$$$$$$$$$

            • Capitol hill in Seattle wants him, loads of fags.

          • He should be at G-Bay as we speak , until this is hammered out..Any Taliban , or AL CIA-Da would be.

            He is a Terrorist as far as our Constitution and Bill of Rights is concerned

            As far as I understand he is NOT a citizen of this counry, therefore not offered the rights or protections of the before mentioned documents..Correct? ( and i heard for somme reason his own country dont even want him back? gee , i wonder why? we should get to the bottom of that, maybe he shoulda been in jail once he set foot here and no one followed thru on it?)

            and if so, than why is he still here?

            Obama will do nothing about him..our judges and law will do nothing about him..no one will do anything about him, and thats why he’s doing it.. he knows this dam country has already been nutered. ( the petitions of succession have gone no where, not even addressed as by law or rule once hitting the majic 25,000 number..they have surpassed that, with out as much as a word from the loser in charge)

            No other country has any right to say what our laws or constitution is to be about..no other counrty has the right to tell us what to or not to do..you hear that UN?

            And some mouth piece from another country should not have ever had that kind of air time..My feeling..wrong or right, is that he doesnt have the right of free speach in THIS country..because he is not of THIS country..he’s a dam visiter..that should have his privledge revoked

            We The People need to start pushing for what we want . loud and clear..

            or were going to get steam rolled!

            • No, Piers Morgan is a British citizen and UK passport holder and not a dual citizen. Piers Stefan Pughe-Morgan (born Piers Stefan O’Meara; 30 March 1965), known professionally as Piers Morgan, is a British journalist and television presenter.

              Found this

              kick the fuckin bum out!

              • New Petition Surfaces To ‘Keep Piers Morgan In The USA’ Because ‘No One In The UK Wants Him Back’

                Cant make this shit up people..Yes I found this..on the web..not going to link it..just type in what is at the top of this post to see for yourselfs

                • It’s true we Brits can’t abide the man lol!

                  As a Brit I’m willing to compromise with y’all – can’t he have an accident and slip on a banana skin taking overboard his ship somewhere in the mid-atlantic?

            • Fuck off, idiot. Youre not going to do anything to a man for speaking his mind. Even if I disagree with this Morgan moron I would fight you first.

            • VRF;

              Yours is an interesting post. I pretty much agree with everything you said. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that Piers Morgan is only one man. He, by himself, is not going to round up and destroy 300 million firearms. The U.N. is probably the biggest threat to gun owners and the U.S. constitution.

          • I want to know how we can start organizing? at this point I dont give a crap what any poitician, homeland security, alphabet soup dickheads think, We The People, have rights, whenever these rights are indanger of being removed or infringed upon we have the right to free speach, free assembly etc,,, I would say it best to get the ACLU in on this as well, and any other lawyers who would be supportive, We have these rights, these politicians and their appointees such as Napolitano or Holder or any of the others have no right to interfere with us as soverign citizens of the United States Of America, it is time to excercise our rights least we forever loose them.

            • The only thing these types understand is a wall of people coming at them with blood in thier eyes..

              Im ready, you?

              • @VRF:

                “You’re my Brother, just make it count.”–Red Dawn.

                • BA..you got it!

                • If whatever the New World Order wants to bring
                  They FEAR
                  That we Might know what they are up to.
                  And that my friends is our hope
                  The New World Order FEARS
                  And it’s because it’s real
                  it means something
                  We can defeat them.
                  If they fear then we (people of this planet)
                  have already won
                  Don’t give up
                  We have a FIX
                  now zone into the target
                  take the shot

                  for Humanity



                  wait for the shot

              • Lets see now…70 million plus gun owners in America whom these dirtbags like barry /polosi/schumer and piers believe to be evil and loking for any reason to commit murder…if they truely beleived this BS seems to me theyed wanna keep a low profile and not “make yourself a target”…thats just me…I dont believe they believe it for a second…theyre fairly safe and they know it…same group wouldnt dare go to the mideast and shout “allah is a pervert” in the marketplace…would they?…thats my point,theyre hypocrites and liars!

                • @ REB. Exactly my point, try to imagine how much easier for an enemy to attack IF tens of millions of people were no longer armed. This is beyond an issue of gun control with these anti-self defense radicals, it is the very survival of the United States should some enemy power decide to attack the country. It is a frightening thought to think about Americans without any firearms to defend themselves and rounded up without even a fight to be slaves for some eastern coalition of China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, and others. A well established militia, the 2nd Amendment, means stops screwing with gun rights. I am still mad about this, I think everyone is also.

                • What comes around…around… back around…
                  back around…


              • You are not going to do anything without the support of the majority of the idiot populace. And the chances of waking up the fuicking stupid old people are slim to none at this point. Youre all going to place your arms on the deck like the good little sheeple and fucking cowards you are. Freedom isnt free. We deserve to loose this country. Thanks for the debt you fucking worthless old men. Your children ought to beat you over your fucking heads with a baseball bat.

                • Daddy wasn’t there, was he?

                • @Eisenkreutz wow you ARE a little ray of sunshine aren’t you?

              • VRF is correct…We type respect others due to they act proper and Earn respect as well as Give it to us….Them libs and antis types only show respect in one instance.

                FEAR! Only if They truly Fear Us types will they show proper respect and back off.

                This was proven to me countless times when I was younger in Detroit, and most of my pals were Biker type guys. I and most were NOT club affiliated…Simply Independant bikers.

                But us indep. types were the Largest group of All. Most clubs had say avg of 40-100, some more, some Alot more.

                But by far indep bikers was the largest of all.

                Yet regardless which you belong to, clubs or indep type, Everywheres we went folks of every type of NON bikers showed the utmost respect to us always. Even Cops did!

                At first I wondered why since we know they believe msm crap and in reality it only became a fashoinable thing to imitate bikers or see runway models, model biker apparel etc in Recent times right.

                But no mater where we’d go in public…For example say a few of us go stand in line to buy Movie tickets etc. Or wait to pay at registers etc…Always as fast as we walk up to the Back of line….Folks near Front of line and middle line would say “Oh You guys can have My place!”

                Of course we act nice and politely refuse…Then they Insisted we do so! Some almost Beg us to get in Front of their line places!

                Then one day it dawned upon me..They were Not acting nice because they “Like” bikers…No, rather it was due to “Fear” of bikers due to MSM and Hollywood 50 yrs propaganda mainly.

                They Fear several hard core appearing biker guys to stand in a line BEHIND them!..Where they cannot See us…

                They feel alot more fuzzy warm inside if We stand in Front of them so they can keep their eyes on us due to a false based Fear.

                But Hey…If thats the only way to get respect, since kind or nice acts usually didn’t work so swell for us, I figured it was better than no respect at all eh.

                So in the same fashion as this, we can and Should switch tactics and Command Respect from libs and antiguners by making Them truly Fear us.

                And NO I do not mean do harm physically or harm their properties etc…I mean more like Attitude changes.

                As in No more Mr or MRS nice folks always ready to lend a hand to Their types. They think opposite of us. If we act nice or helpfull?…They consider That as a Win for their side. Every time we back off or refuse to fight back, They consider it a win and do More of same tactics against us.

                We been brainwashed to believe “Oh never act as They do or else You will be as bad as they are”

                “Oh Please never ever even speak of violence or else You will lower us to Their levels and be as bad as they are”.

                I say BS! it is time for Our side to understand Not all violence is bad. Self defence Is Good use of violence. Its a bummer to need resort to it yes…BUT..What else will work?

                What usually happens to every bleeding heart liberal who gets their chance finally, to try and Talk nice to or talk of the nice libs political world views to say, an armed Car jacker type hoodlum?

                You know what! Them type libs gets an ass kicking or worse is Raped then murdered right. Because Badguys care not a rats ass about Anybodys political or world or religious views…All perps(and antiguners etc) care about is Their selves and whatever They desire.

                Regardless how it dammages others or harms rights or whatever…Selfishness in an understatment when its Them we speak of right.

                But most all of that type shows much Respect to say several biker types because they know bikers wont take no crap and will kick Their asses right quick if situation arises….Respect out of Fear is only thing that works period. Never back down. get in Their faces. Refuse to even listen to tired, worn, old talking points Our side has refuted again and again.

                Failure of doing as I suggest in my opinion IS the Main reasons that Both NRA and repubs are such sorry candy ass Losers and always end up Compramising Away gun rights.

                Its why since 1968 Every single antigun law at Fed level and Most at state levels was done..Because Both Repubs And NRA dropped ball and “Compramised” due to lack of SPINE!..Zero backbone=Compramize=WE Lose rights!

                Time for Tough “Love” from Our side…As Tough as it Takes with No prisoners…Either respect as due to us or…Casualties for Their side. What else is left we aint tried?…Please enlighten me if theres any, thanks.

                PS: Ever wonder why you Never hear of a Harly-Jacking?
                Lots of Cars jacked eh…Zero Harlys jackers!

                What I wrote of Is the reason Two lone bikers can ride thru Downtown Detroit on return from East side detroit back to West side and Never get acousted by blacks etc!

                Try That at 3am in a Car! Good luck citizens!

                • Should have known better when you came around..

                  What comes around goes around…

                  Goes around.. goes around…

                  Yeah, yeah, yeah…



                  We HAVE the FIX

                  NO DO TO THEM WHAT THEY’VE DONE

                  TO YOU

                  TAKE THE FOCUSED

                  SHOT I THOUGHT

                  I TOLD YA YEAH


                  I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU YEAH,



                • People, of interest…there are some very disturbing findings regarding the many inconsistencies of the Sandy Hook shootings…too much that does NOT make sense, and this incident is what is being used to enforce new RADICAL gun laws…while DHS (Department of Homeland Security–the FEDERAL Gov’s Security Department-not you and I’s)…please check out the FACTS of what happened to Crime Rates when other countries were disarmed, in particular Britain–They went through the roof.

                  Also–Check out OPERATION GLADIO which is still going on. FALSE FLAGS a FLYING…as the “elite” say, use ANY “CRISIS” whether real or PROMULGATED to pass laws you could not have otherwise had passed. HMMM smelling RATS in the WH.

            • That negative rating was an accident …..I agree 10000000000%

              • AND It will HIT

                THE TARGET

                • TAKE THE SHOT

            • The ACLU is more anti-gun, anti-constitution than that POS morgan is.

              • ACLU unfortunately is anti-gun not sure why, for an organization of scholars and have been on the side of some nasty people they sure dropped the ball on gun rights.

              • so is the Southern Law Center…wow have you guys checked them out? They are working for some very radical left wing NUTS, I mean CRAZIES…they label normal law abiding American’s as terrorist….people that are like in the militia, returning veterans’ America’s hero’s who did all the dirty work for the “federal” gov…are now labeled “potential domestic terrorist” too. WTF……these idiots need to go…most likely paid with our tax dollars too. I feel these Left wing NUTS have now awakened a sleeping giant! They have drawn the line in the sand and people KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS CRAP.

                • Ooops that’s the SOUTHERN LAW POVERTY CENTER….check these NUTS out.

            • Links for orgs at SHTF Patriots. Try GOOOH to statt.

            • “PICK 7″ is going around the internet. I found out what it means. Those who are determined to stand up for the truth and liberty must “PICK 7″ trusted men/women and develop a plan to stop any gun confiscation attempts.

              The Pick 7 team is made up of capable and committed men/women that will fight back and defend their neighborhoods and their families. Eventually they will communicate with other 7 man teams to co-ordinate their efforts.

              There is no central command any more then there was in 1776 when a loosely knitted American Militia stood against the tyrants of the Monarch, King George lll. The Red Coats hated these guys and I am quite sure the modern day Feds are not going have any warm and fuzzy feelings for the 1,000,000 Pick 7 Teams.

              Found that on ” From the trenches “

              • Butterknife: I hate to burst your bubble of us militia history, But…All you wrote of Loose knit and unpreprepared etc is Wrong as can be.

                To the contrary. them militia boys Were Very organized and set up as many supply lines as well as lines of comunications as needed. And they Trained continously!

                They made simple appearing functions such as farming or sunday picnics turn into Training exercises.

                Sunday afternoon target Turkey prize shoots were really Training for upcomming battles with RED Coats(funny eh how RED is color of choice for Kommies always no?).

                Most all we was taught of some type insignificant loose knit unorganized rebel rousers is dead Wrong!

                Search the True info out online and see for yourself. They was well orgainzed And well Trained for several Years prior to shots fired!….What we was told is mostly myths. They was More than ready to kick ass on brits!

                True that they had unfunded needs of supplies and ammo etc…But None lacked proper training and Disiplined organized with Leadership too…No reality in “LeaderLESS” resistance…leadership IS Key to any successfull efforts. Unless maybe its a boycott type thing. They tried That also…Didn’t work. Bullets to heads and chests did though!

              • People are waking up fast…get your call trees and feet ready people…the Lefties are coming for your guns and they got Foreign troops here too all over the Nation, just waiting for something they are going to start.

            • “””We have these rights, these politicians and their appointees such as Napolitano or Holder or any of the others have no right to interfere with us as soverign citizens of the United States Of America”””


              You have studied yourself into a dangerous legal position that removes you from the protection of the Law.

              You can be a free Sovereign inhabitant of the land, or a citizen of the corp. You can be a Sovereign or a citizen, but not both.

              If you claim to be a citizen of anything, you grant jurisdiction to whatever the claim is made to.

              Good luck.


            • Yeah! I think we need to start Organizing Only In Platoons and Fire Teams!

              Semper Fi

              • PEOPLE OF THE US….MAKE YOUR LIST OF TRAITORS STARTING WITH BANKSTERS, their HOME AND RESORT AREAS WE PAID FOR. dont forget the foreign country connects you have that know where their hideouts are when the shtf too….remember braveheart and the horse scene hahahah… dumb ass traitors to American PEOPLE. start with the hIGHeST, THOSE PUPPETS and the those making laws to lock everyone up. Those bringing in foreign troops and work your way down. KNOW who the traitors are. As they want to TRY and label us all, so unto them.

          • you all need to ignore this blooming, bloody idgit “Piss Morganstern” and CNN altogether. he is not qualified to suck the pus from a festering cat scratch. troll……

            • @ roger. Would like to ignore this bum-crack but this type of anti-self defense radical is stirring up all sorts of problems with our gun rights, as most people have very limited attention spans and this british bloke continues to remind everyone how unsafe they are with guns. Without a civilian militia with enough decent firepower, it opens a wide door to future enemy invasion. Disarming people of their assault weapons is a NATIONAL SECURITY RISK, and it truly is against the 2nd Amendment fully meant to keep a civilian army ready enough that they would not get slaughtered by an enemy invasion.

              The mere fact is that those responsible for that national security need to fully investigate piers morgan because wants he is proposing is making the country much, much more vulnerable to foreign attack. You, me, Mac, and all the other gun owners are the last line of defense against having to learn to speak Chinese or Russian in the slave salt mines.
              What I think is we must engage ALL and everyone that is attacking our freedom and prevent them from taking away the last pieces left of the constitution. Words, articles, the power of the pen can still work, I least I think there is a chance. Look how much good Mac’s site does to ready us and inform us what is happening not mentioned on the news.

              • Just let me clarify a wee bit here for all. Our rights were in place before they were ever written. The 2A did not exist when the colonists defeated the brits over 200 yrs ago. Let “them”, whomever they are, try to ban these rights that came from the Almighty, and not from “them”, and “they” will not believe what happens next.

                laus deo
                molon labe

                • There was a great article on American Thinker a few months back that exactly described this. The author said that we need to change ther phrasing from Constitutional Rights to Pre-Constitutional Rights. These rights came from our creator, not the Constitution. The Constitution merely documents them.

              • I wish we had a Second Amendment in Canada. Since we do not, I have acquired 50 gallons of anal lube and 700 boxes of condoms for the day we get invaded since I might as well make nice with our captors. We have pinned out clips and long guns. Hardly anything worthwhile in a battle.

                Canadians like me are Fk’d! Ohhhh yeah, feel the burn!

                Just a little po’ed today is all. 🙂

            • NO, make list of ALL the TRAITOR MEDIA doing the dirty work for the “cabal” who has now taken over the US Gov…those MEDIA personalities who directly attack Patriots like they are told to do by “others” do your research. Leave no stone unturned…ALL who are traitors to American’s will be on the list….get them to your people and groups. Stand prepared they are up to something and loading up on ammo and moving foreign troops all over the nation…We will not go quietly into the night…we KNOW who they are. All ex order’s that are UN CONSTITUTIONAL will NOT be obeyed. Sheriffs get your deputies sworn in. We are under attack.

          • Would that be the same Piers Morgan who has fewer viewers (according to Neilson Ratings) than Mac has readers of this very site? Wonder who’s ‘mainstream’ now?

            • Taking that stat at face value, CONGRATS MAC!

            • Oh it gets better – seems CNN picked him up after he was fired in 2004 as editor of a paper caught fabricating news.

          • noble intentions
            I fear

            we all know the government no longer acts upon the wishes of
            nor in the best interest of
            the PEOPLE

            like the OWS movement
            petitions are filed in
            “the round file”

            wanna get Piers Morgan removed ?
            send messages to CNN sponsors
            quit buying their products

            the only thing TPTB understand is $$$

            • If it is not on FOX, I don’t watch it. Who are his sponsors??

            • quit watching any CNN crap BS MEDIA…it is USED as a Propaganda TOOL of those TRAITORS in office at the highest level. Tell them all we are NOT FOOLED nor impressed they can all go to hell.

          • Where do all these Fabulous British Bastards come from, telling all us lowly Americans how to live. Dont they remember 236 years ago? Someone should remind Piers, his arrogance is offensive.

          • P. Morgan is an idiot, that much is certain.

        • Kevin, as long as there are electronic voting machines, noone’s vote matters.

          • Exactly! EVEryONE now knows how much pull Soro’s had on the votes…not only him, but they got their boy bama back in for a reason. EVERyone needs to watch 2016, this is ALL planned to take down our country. That’s how they do it. Make sure you have alternative communications in place, DHS is up to something too….to be used to attack us, or what? why all the deadly ammo? Why all the tanks moving about the country. Wouldn’t put it passed them to let something “lose” or do another ‘Pearl Harbor” like they discuss. IDIOTS. we are NOT fooled. PREPARE AMerican”s you are UNDer ATTACK.

        • “Votes” account for nothing. It is far beyond that now. The fix is in, and tyranny is coming. I rather doubt that 70 million gun owners will muster the spine to throw tyranny off this time.

          • Who are we to fight against anyway, Republican are nuts and corporate stooges, Democrats are retarded tree hungers with magic in their eyes, tea party is a brainchild and whore of the Koch brothers, so whom would anyone fight for.

            No if SHTF we are all on our own till something new comes alone.

        • I disagree. In these situations people are desperate for any type of news. Selco said many people died by going outside trying to hear some news. One person traded two rifles for a radio battery.

        • I wonder
          Did 70 million people even vote in this past election

          the Watcher

        • We are in SHTF now, and if this post goes through then the internet is probably still up.


        • William Cooper
          “Behold a Pale Horse”
          excerpt from Chapter 12


          “The government encouraged the manufacture and importation of military firearms for the criminals to use.This is intended to foster a feeling of insecurity,which would lead the American people to voluntarily disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms.Using drugs and hypnosis on mental patients in a process called Orion,the CIA inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on schoolyards and thus inflame the antigun lobby.This plan is well underway,and so far is working perfectly.The middle class is begging the government to do away with the 2nd amendment”


          • Very prophetic…

        • SHTF pretty hard Kevin2 in the east coast. We need to stop thinking of SHTF in the context of total societal breakdown and everything is gone, Mad Max type of situation.

          As we have already seen things can get pretty damn ugly within society while at least surrounding areas can still have power.

          I agree with your greater comment though. It is just not very logistical for them to come take our guns. If they try to then I feel that after the first few seizures groups will start to rally. Hopefully we could come up with a way to save our guns until the laws and seizures are overturned, but otherwise less preferred action may be required.

        • Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane, Mamaroneck, NY 10534.

          Phone number:

          (914) 694-5204

          Here is the editors number and address. Be sure to call ans wish her Merry Christmas.

          • Good for the goose is good for the gander I guess.

            A rude, nasty lady this one, glad I’m not in the US. Hope someone takes legal action against her and her employer, in defence of what I’d have thought is a serious privacy breach with an obvious engineered outcome (in my view) of instilling hatred against a group, bearing the ‘nasty potential’ against just one of the mentioned individuals on her interactive list??

            Wrong, just wrong.

        • Some resourceful individual should publish a list of the MSM editors and producers home addresses.

        • These maps of gun owners and even their addresses are easily obtained. If an intelligent criminal wishes to find someone without a gun it isn’t difficult.
          Dumb article.

        • You know, I have never owned a gun before. Although I have shot one a time or two. All my relatives own guns, but I have never thought to own one myself. However, as I do see the stupidity of our own government’s nonsense, and the FACT’s that more than prove more guns means less crime-Britain is a perfect example of this. When their “leaders” decided to dis arm their own citizens, Crime went WAY UP. It’s a proven Fact that more armed citizens’ means less crime. What on earth are the US government leader’s thinking. Could they only be looking out for them selves again?

          I and many other’s have noted that Department of Homeland Security has purchased over a BILLION rounds of very deadly ammo-40 cal hollow point ammo. DHS has stated that they are preparing for a Civil War…that means’ those bullets are intended for American People? What on earth are they trying to do here? I and my other sister’s are now going to buy as many guns as we can before something really bad happens here. Thanks for the article.

      2. Yikes. Troubled times.

      3. Funny how the web works, carma is a bi$%#.

        • Agreed. The Internet has finally done what I used to do all by myself (pre-OPSEC) by putting an NRA membership sticker in my front window. That sticker worked better than one from any alarm company…

          Vive la Progress?

          • BULLZEYE OQ
            Right on
            Alarm co. Sticker worthless
            NRA priceless

            the Watcher

      4. I love the yard sign. He should mass produce those and sell ’em. Sign me up!

        • I love the sign too, but it wouldn’t work so hot out here. No gun-hating neighbors that I can identify. :/

          • those signs would be wall to wall in my neck of the woods

            • Why not get a real human looking maniquin Head/Face and attach a wig etc and place upon a tall Pole in front of crib?…With a large sign hanging from its neck says “Liberal Antiguner”?

              Somebody artistic can really make it appear real eh!

        • I have the one that says survivors will be shot again..it is being produced..I paid 2 bucks for mine and its metal

          hangs on a limb of my tree just inside my back yard

          my daughter and I even took some shots at it, to make it look authentic

          • Word of caution though – if you are ever forced to act on that for any reason, be sure to get rid of the sign before any LEO’s set foot on your property. All goes to intent, a good (relatively speaking) lawyer will definitely use it against you in court, to try to portray you as some psychotic nut just out looking to shoot someone.

          • 99% of you here are reactionary morons.

      5. those two photos are awesome thank you for sharing and great article

      6. I have been banging my head on the desk since they “outed” me. The overzealous is beyond stunning, but just is stunning are the folks who sign the “impeach Obama” list…do you REALLY want your name on a list which is by now is in the hands of the DHS or FBI? Hmmm..let’s ponder this…

        I want to start a pledge right here right now…all of us legal defense tool owners agree out of respect for their opinions not to protect them when SHTF.

        Whew…I feel all kumbaya now..

        • “bortaS bIr jablu’DI’ reh QaQqu nay”.
          (Revenge is a dish which is best served cold)

          “QamvIS Hegh qaq law’ torvIS yIn qaq puS”.
          (Better to die on our feet than on our knees)

          “bIHeghvIpehugh bIHeghpu'”
          (If you are afraid to die, you have already died)

          – The Klignon Dictionary

      7. It almost makes me want to move back into town from the country just so I could have a big blue sign pointing out my neighbor’s “gun free” house.

      8. We need to post a list!

        A List of T R A I T O R S to our country and our Constitution!

        Post their addresses, phone numbers, pictures, and all thier families first and last names !

        • most likely best to start with the politicicians and their minions,,,

          • Start at the top, or the bottom..its all the same to me

        • Let’s start the list with the names and addresses of the owner(s), publisher(s) and editor(s) of the newspaper in question. Add their location on a map, for easy reference. And it would be interesting to determine if any of them are “closet” defensive tool owners!!! Or if they have hired, defensive tool owner protection agents!!

          Then add to the list. The possibilities seem endless.

          • Right on!

            • Was just about to post that myself! Somebody did a lot of research to get that together. Even down to getting the interiors of her house off of Zillow ! ROFLMAO ! ! !

            • G.B.

              This is excellent information. Thanks much!

            • Georgia Boy:


            • This paper and it’s employees can expect to be named in lawsuits after houses in this area (with or without guns) are robbed. Lawyers are surely foaming at the mouth. All they need for a sure win is for somebody (who’s going to prison anyway) to say they picked the house because of this article/map.

        • Yes, the PEOPLE need their own “fusion centers” to safely archive the names of the perps and their crimes.

          At Nuremberg 2 “just taking orders” will be no defense.

          Never forget that in the 20th century GOVERNMENTS KILLED 1/3 billion of their OWN CITIZENS, NOT including war.

          Mass murder by government dwarfs all private violence.

          In these coming months, every legislator and every bureaucrat at every level of government must repeatedly hear that at this very moment we recognize that they are a danger to us, our children, and our livelihoods.

        • Among those traitors are selective code enforcement officials in those communities where local authorities have adopted the international codes. These laws are designed for persecuting political dissidents like the Nazi laws were and for confiscating properties like the Roman government did before their fall. A very bad sign for America. I think our only defense is united resistance and publicizing the traitors enforcing it.

      9. I live in a state in which such a list would pretty much match the phone book of names, addresses, and phone numbers, as most people here thankfully own guns. Long live the free states. The european states of americka that ban most firearms, self defense devices, and empower the criminal are places to be ashamed of.

        • BI..like Kentucky?? Last year, 2.5 million background checks for weapons.
          Population, 4.5 million.
          Who’d have thunk it??

      10. Mac, I can assure you that parts of the criminal element DO INDEED utilize the internet in furtherance of their criminal activity!

        Example, an individual takes a pic of a piece of jewelry utilizing a smart phone and then posts that pic on the internet in order to sell it!

        Now, the unsavory individual see’s that jewelry and (without explaining exactly how) then utilizing that pic is able to obtain the grid coordinates of where that pic was taken and plugs those coordinates into “Google Maps” and low and behold see’s a house! Guess who’s the next victim of a burglary???

        This has been occurring! So for anyone to think that the criminal element doesn’t utilize the internet, well then they are being very naive!

        The type of journalism displayed by the newspaper that published the article and information was very irresponsible to say the least!

        I would also strongly recommend that those houses listed as “gun owners” in that article take a second look at their security measures as they have also been listed as targets of where to get firearms!!!!

        What a world we live in, UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

        • It’s bad enough that gun ownership is in jeopardy with the threat of confiscation looming from the government,now’s here comes the bad guys knowing where guns are and have no morals in procuring them. Hopefully people will take the “correct”course of action to negate this and not get caught short.

      11. I hope everyone had a nice Christmas.

        My first response was knee jerk then I took a breath and thought about what was done. This action pulled the vail back a little more so that the uninformed and fence sitters can question who is really looking out for their best interest, attaining knowledge first begins with a question. It makes the conspiracy kooks less nutty and will allow more of the underground meme to be accepted by the masses. So we need to say thank you to the pos press for releasing the information. Gun ownership isn’t exclusively a Republican thing, the idiots just converted some Dems to independents and outed liberals that own guns.

      12. Top reason why I DON’T have a carry permit. I know it’s a risk, but I figure the odds of my government trying to confiscate my guns are greater than the odds of me being mugged in my neighborhood.

        How sad is that?


        • Nothing sad about clear thinking, Mal.

        • Carry permits are an Infringement..period!

          the Bill of rights that WE gave THEM doesnt say you need a permit, to carry what ever you want.

        • Same here Mal!!!

        • Exactly Mal.
          Took the class, but then… thought about it.

          This is an open carry state, if I want to, I have a holster.
          My 1911, was bought from a guy who was dying…
          Nuff said.

      13. yes, its beyond crazy.

        you dont find the media outing those that have security systems for their houses, but anyone owning a gun just might be the next mass murder.

        within my own relatives, we have had a family robbed and a woman raped and we’re supposed to just give up the one thing that will discourage or stop an intruder while crime has risen steadily and become more violent over the years.

        it hasn’t done that because we have guns.

        there’s a story on drudge today that “disabled” workers increased to an all time record in December. Things are getting economically worse, not better; and those that would rather harm others than put in the effort to get a job and live within their means is going to increase and having a gun is the best deterrent against them. sure, if i pull a gun; i may get shot during a home invasion; but i shudder to think what would happen if i didnt; they’ll need to come and take it if they want mine.

      14. Be Informed: What state you live in? We are looking to move as soon as the oldest hits college age (3 years) and this state (Michigan) sucks in terms of…well, basically everything.

        • @ Insanity ISContagious. You just can’t go wrong with Montana, Wyoming, or Idaho. The Dakotas are really nice places to be also. I know people from North Dakota and they are some of the most down to Earth people there are and very helpful. North Dakota is one state in which the economy there thrives, they need workers there desperately. The gas fields, around Gillette, Wyoming have jobs all over the place and don’t have enough homes available to people as this area is booming so fast. These araes are all pretty cold in the winter, but okay the rest of the year. People from Michigan seem to prefer Wyoming and Montana the most.

          Idaho is a place where the reddest of all states in not tolerating the anti-freedom radicals that want to take away all our self defense and the rest of our rights. Colorado use to be much more like the free states, but too many Yuppie californians have moved there and are corrupting it, very unfortunately because Colorado is one of the most scenic states there is with plenty to do and plenty of places to establish a survival retreat. Utah is of course 75% Mormon and is survival orientated, so others that are preppers should be able to fit in okay.

          If you can, at very least try to get away from highly populated regions because these are future death traps when the collapse begins.

        • I don’t know if I would wait that long. In East TN, if your child graduates from the local high school, he can go to a local community college for free. I have worked with at least 6 people originally from MI…in the last two years! I think your fellows are abandoning you…join the crowd down here!

      15. I think they should post publicly the homes that DO NOT have guns with their names, addresses, ages, where they work, household income and the names and ages of their sons and daughters too. Just so everything is equal.

      16. Why am I starting to feel safer walking Detroit at midnight than what the Govt has for our future?

        • Michigan is an Open Carry State..

          show em if you got em..or not

        • Probably because you are paying attention.

      17. Its very simple.. If you don’t want to own a gun.. then don’t.

        But don’t you dare complain when you are under duress when those who do carry can protect themselves and their loved ones and you can not..when that time comes to do so..

        Taken that “responsible gun owners” will most likely protect you anyways because we are all god loving individuals!!

        • With some satisfaction I recall the late Charlton Heston telling about his anti-gun acquaintances asking to borrow guns during the LA riots. “How’s that 15-day waiting period working out for you?”

        • whats the first thing a person with no gun does when in trouble?

          1.. call someone who has a gun ( sometimes the police)\
          2. ..pray to god they get there in time

      18. OK..this is enough!

        the UK threw him our of their country for framing the UK troops with fake pictures!!!..this is why he’s here..and he should go back and face the dam music..NOW!

        Piers Morgan is a subversive agent violating his Visa & Residency Terms in the USA and must be jailed or deported immediately after an ICE or FBI investigation of his foreign subversion against The Constitution and Citizen Rights here in the USA. Piers Morgan has no right to enter our country and openly subvert or petition our government for laws that would violate our citizen rights. Piers Morgan is an enemy of the USA.

        Only problem with deportation – where would he go? Evidently the UK doesn’t want him back because he is a lying scum bag. Even Piers himself wonders where he would go

        • Can someone come up with Morgans address? phone number? anything..lets start being pro-active on these types.

          He has no rights in this country..He’s not a US Citizen, and his own country has issues with him legally,, he needs to go back and face the music

          • He’s just the kind TPTB will protect. He’ll do their dirty work. I bet that’s why he is here. He already did his job in his own country.

        • No wonder he’s so afraid of guns, his own people probably want to show him the buisness end of thiers

          • Best and only laugh so far today!!! Thanks, VRF! Glad I didn’t have coffee in my mouth!!!

            Start with bombarding his employer…isn’t being legally and gainfully employed one of the terms of his visa???

            • Im betting he doent have a Visa

        • ship the puke to Chicongo, Ill. he should feel right at home………

          • even though Chitcongo is a den of theifs..and corrupt as the day is long..Its still in the US..and this Morgan slime doesnt belong here.

            Some day, maybe we patriots can rescue Chi town.

      19. Piers Morgan
        TV Presenter

        Date of birth: 16/July/1965
        Official website: Add it
        Email address:
        Last feedback received on: 10/14/2010 >>>

        Fan Mail Address:

        Piers Morgan
        James Grant Media Group Ltd.
        94 Strand On The Green
        London, W4 3NN

        Address Information:

        James Grant Media Group Ltd.
        (Talent Agency)
        94 Strand On The Green
        London, W4 3NN
        Phone: +44 (0)20 8742 4950
        Fax: +44 (0)20 8742 4951

      20. This story has really bugged me all weekend. In California a law governing the transfer of guns that closed the horrid gun show loop hole requires a $35 fee, a waiting period of 10 days and background check ( which is instant ). There was a compromise on this law and words added to say no list of gun owners was being kept. This has been questioned by CA gun owners since day one. I have no reason to trust the American Govt with this data now.

        These people have been listed like “child” molestors by the media. They should be suing that paper and the govt that made the data available.

        • ..and everyone thought they’d just be content to list sex offenders and felons? Once we opened the door to publishing lists of people we don’t like, we left it open for this list too. THIS is the exact reason why a violation of one person’s privacy will lead to losing all of our privacy. No matter the justification at the time. In this case, the justification is the exact same—“these people” are dangerous and “we” have a right to know that exceeds their right to privacy. Exceeding another person’s rights with your own, always bites you in the ass later, no?

          • What would we all feel like if a list of people who buy bulk food got published with addresses included? Preppers ARE terrorists you know…and “we” have a right to know where they are…for our own safety, no less.

            A violation against ONE, is a violation against ALL. It’s just a matter of time.

      21. Morgan is alleged to have close ties with the Rupert Murdoch family and defended them in the media against suggestions that they were more involved in the News International phone hacking scandal than they claimed

        The following day (29 November 2012) the official findings of the Leveson Inquiry were released, in which Lord Leveson said Morgans testimony under oath on phone hacking was “utterly unpersuasive. This was not, in any sense at all, a convincing answer” and “What it does, however, clearly prove is that he was aware that it was taking place in the press as a whole and that he was sufficiently unembarrassed by what was criminal behaviour that he was prepared to joke about it.

        • Whats his mothers Maiden name?..If it is something like Finestien?…He has automatic right of return to isreal.

          Am almost willing to bet hes tribe.

      22. The home owners NOT on the list should file a class action suit against the paper for endangerment of life, limb and property.

      23. Greetings Everyone!
        The current system has gone into “freefall” with no end in sight.With the likes of Mitt Romney and his “slash and burn” company it won’t be too far to the bottom.I used to “dislike” gun ownership for many reasons that I’ll not go into here.TIMES HAVE CHANGED.The person who won’t recognize that those changes are here upon us will suffer from the results(note what’s been happening to Detroit and Argentina for the larger picture).”THE CHANGE” is almost upon us.Just how great that event is remains to be seen.W\O going into too many details,my attitude on many subjects is undergoing a change as well.I’ll truly feel sorry for the “Sheeples”,but my family’s well being and safety is what’s paramount.If I can practice “Christian Charity” W\O endangering them,well and good.If not,I’ll feel sorry for the children of those “Sheeple”.Manos and the Author of the book about Argentina warn us what sort of lifestyle TPTB want for the 99% of us in AMERICA.
        Things will get better,but not till it gets worse,very,very worse.I have to say that Mr.Morgon is a “talking head” twit.If he were any more “scripted” he would be a ‘bot.In my opinion.There are far too many of his Ilk already out there already.
        Best to All till next year!
        Hope everyone can keep warm and well fed.

        • @GreyFoxGreen. I can sort of relate to your statement of ‘I used to “dislike” gun ownership for many reasons that I’ll not go into here.TIMES HAVE CHANGED.”
          In my patch of Earth, I’ve been near guns / responsible owners all my life. I didn’t like / dislike them – they were just part of the deer / hog / squirrel / snake / mauled up dog life as I knew it – mostly I just rolled my eyes at the gust and blow of mighty hunters. Just a fact.
          2 years ago DH said, ’tis time, wife, you will become a gun owner; I can’t sleep at night but for the nightmares’. I puffed and huffed and finally gave in when dear sis-in-law said – ‘it awakens a whole new feeling of security; our men might be pre-occupied some day and nobody is coming between me and my kids’.
          Times have definitely changed for this 50+ year young gal. Are times meaner – don’t think so. We’ve just nourished it, amplified it, gave it a ’cause’ and sent it on it’s merry way to establish a name where none existed. Now the time of separation for goats and sheep has arrived. I’m not the least surprised.
          And yes, I definitely cling to my bible and gun – in that order. I live in a part of Texas where no signs are needed – it’s a given that you break and enter at your own risk… and the local LEO know who is who.
          ~..~ wee

          • All I can say is, I hope your part of TX is close to MY part of TX. You sound like the kind of neighbor I’d be proud to have close by!!!

      24. Ya’ll:

        I posted this link in an earlier article, but it seems to be appropriate for this one too.

        Today is the day we stand our ground. We (as The People)now nullify the fed corporate gubbermint as individual Citizens (per the 10th amendment). We secede from the UNITED STATES Corp(USC Title 18) as individuals.We are Sovereign, We are Law.

        No more stealing from the Citizens through color of law.
        No more gun grabbing.
        No more implied consent contracts.
        No more defacto law.

        …rant off….here is the link:



        …be safe….stay the course…..BA.

      25. It almost seems like the “good old days” were just yesterday. I guess that as an old man that I have been somewhat reluctant to discard the old paradigm of what the United States ‘used-to-be’ and just a little bit slow to embrace the new paradigm of; “holy shit, is this what my poor country has finally become”???

        And the “whack-a-doodles” are found to be everywhere and on ALL sides of every discussion and issue. It almost seems as if it is the really extreme positions that are out there that are the ones that are able to obtain the most ‘traction’ in our fractured society!!!

        I feel that we are at the point in time where humanity in general has really, finally, pissed God off the point where he is getting ready to administer the ‘mother-of-all-enemas’ to the earth and current day society in general.

        Please pull your hats down over your ears, boys & girls, and then reach behind yourself and grab your ass firmly by both cheeks and hold on tight. You can feel the ‘ride’ slowly accelerating and beginning to pick up speed as it climbs to the top of that very first hill. I think that the year 2013 could turn out to be a really bumpy ride for all concerned.

        Wishing everyone who posts here a safe, happy and a prosperous New Year ………. in spite of my misgivings about what this next year holds for us all. Please gather your family close around you and enjoy them all like there is no tomorrow. God Bless & good luck to all. Please enjoy the ‘spirit’ of the Season with your loved ones.

      26. I hope the newspaper received a lot of angry calls and threats from the defenseless.

      27. If you take our guns please send the troops well armed. Just know that if the enemy comes with it and I need it; IT’S MINE.

        P.S. Could use a Trijicon Tritium Reflex Sight as it wasn’t under the tree yesterday. Please send a couple troops with these.

        Damn Naughty List.

      28. Look for some kind of mental form that has to have a Dr’s signature (Shrink) to buy, sell, or possess a firearm in the very near future.

        Way too many crazies out there doing the shooting to show the need for the mental checks. I believe someone is behind these nut case’s like the (Government/ NOW-PTB).

        Just a though.

        • Bad thought

          who is the one capable of saying who is and who isnt?

          will that position be corrupted..( you know it will)

          Go back and read the 2nd amendment..you flunked! because you dont understand “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” and what your suggesting is INFRINGEMNT!

          Look it up!

          you want to know how to take out the crazies? let us fuckin shoot em !!

          • you even state that you feel TPAB are behind this, and you go and say they should be regulating this RIGHT with some BS medical crap?…please

        • pale rider ,here is why thats a big mistake

          Even under current law, mental illness can become a label for unconventional political beliefs. Remember Brandon Raub, the Marine Corps veteran who was forced to undergo a psychiatric evaluation in Virginia last summer based on his conspiracy-minded, anti-government Facebook posts?
          The malleability of mental illness was also apparent at a 2007 debate among the candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination. After seeing a YouTube video in which Jered Townsend of Clio, Mich., asked about gun control and referred to his rifle as “my baby,” Joseph Biden said: “If that’s his baby, he needs help. … I don’t know that he is mentally qualified to own that gun. I’m being serious.”
          So perhaps excessive attachment to your guns should be grounds for taking them away. Biden, by the way, is in charge of formulating the policies the Obama administration will pursue in response to Lanza’s horrifying crimes.

          dont give them any dumb ideas..ok?

          • Here, read this, please

              • @VRF: Thx for the input and I read #976638.
                I guess and problem is that I’m not smart enough to express my thought’s.

                What I was trying to say these people will want to try to make this part of the process of gun ownership. They are going to try anything they can.

                Arm to the teeth now while you can, I AM.

                I agree, shall not be Infringed

                • Gotcha Boss, Im sure you are smart enough, and I think what you ment was with good intent..

                  I wasnt lambasting you or anything like that, Guess im just sensitive tonight and very passionate about this toppic, because I know that without our 2nd amendment Rights, that We gave Them..we WILL lose all of the other rights ..and it seems that too many people just dont get that

          • VRF….The guy refered to his gun as”my baby” and plugs biden called it a mental disorder?!….how many people have a car/boat/plane/bike ect that they call their baby or some such endearing name? LOTS!…how many people have dogs and cats and rats and elephants and unicorns that they call “my babies” or “my kids” or any such things…are they all mental??…this is insanity gone to seed…personally I dont refer to animals as my kids or rifles and cars as my babies but that doesnt mean people who do are somehow mentally deficient!(whats the name of their collective disease? always running their mouths and minding everyones business but their own)
            Really really sad when we reached this place where anyone different is a kook and worse a threat…how sad to want everyone to fit in one mold…well I dont and I wont,like I say I am crazy,but Im not insane enough to wanna be a part of their world, even if they want to label me as such,just leave this hillbilly alone!

        • You made your point loud and clear and I got what you are saying. When I read your reply something came to mind. I found that TPTB are now implementing in public schools these treasonous ardent ghouls to evaluate our children at their very tender age to see if they show any sign of mental disorders and to prescribe drugs if they dare show early sign? First and foremost who in the hell do they think they are? Thinking they have the right to snatch/lay hands on the minds of the sanctity of our next generation. I am not a religious person but in my evaluation of the Holy Scriptures we are a group/sovereign people and we together can exercise our GOD given right to provide security & protect decency & freedom and not give up ground to these godless imbeciles.Especially when they want to attempt to dispose vets or anyone possessing arms that TPTB deem are mentally deficit to bear them..anyone ever took a nerve pill at any time ?well in their agenda you would be included in their so called cull list.I am female and like most prefer there was another avenue to live by. But in the real world..I know they are a necessity for protection of rights.Such that has been since the beginning of time.

      29. Anyone seen the movie Last Ounce of COURAGE.
        I fine it a very good movie about FREEDOM

      30. i feel badly for the vets out there…the korean and vietnam vets had it drilled into us that we had to fight these conflicts or the commies would come here…somehow over time it turned out that those whom we were fighting to keep from taking the USA over were here the whole time. if the right to bear arms is tossed out our other rights won’t be far behind… what was left of the USA is being placed in hospice care and will die a slow and painful death.

        • i wouldn’t feel to badly for them, they are not stupid and see whats coming, i would hazard the guess they will be some of the worst ones to tangle with during a shtf, wanna survive? Got a Vet?

      31. Letter to the Journal News:

        Dear Publisher,
        Loved your attempt to identify gun owners. However, the list is incomplete. In the interest of true “full disclosure” it would be helpful to add the following names and addresses to your list. Just want to get the full story for your readers.
        Every Damned Gun Owner In America

        (see email attachements, next 67 million pages…)

      32. I’ll say it again, Everyone write,call or email your Senators and Congressperson. If you have, do it again, we must flood them with protest against any new gun laws. I live in the Conservative state of Wyoming and my Politicans have been very evasive in their response. So you can bet we are going to get some kind of new anti gun laws passed, when even the pro gun people are so timid. We very well may have to take some kind of undesirable stand one day. But while we can lets fight for the Constitution through the channels that be. KEEP THE PRESSURE ON THEM!!!!

        • Protesting ain’t gonna help…
          look what they did to the Tea party…
          the only thing they’re hearing is the media machine.
          Even staunch pro gun senators and congress critters are turning against the ‘hated semi automatic weapon of WAR on our streets’…

          Maybe, its time for the next level of intimidation.
          After the protests comes the broken windows,
          of the media machine.

          • The constant protesting is exactly whats needed. No meaningful resistance is possible without first cementing idealogical resistance.




      34. I know I say this often, but…

        This is just another tool in the psychological warfare/brainwashing arsenal.

        The media is identifying gun owners in a way that makes them look like criminals – the entire premise behind this is shame, discomfort and humiliation. This is being done in the exact same way as the sex offenders registry was publicized. The media is planting the suggestion that gun owners are every bit as despicable and threatening as the child molester living down the road from the elementary school.

        There’s also the added bonus of stirring up a fearful witch-hunt mentality among the neighbors. Imagine the conversations:

        “Gasp! Did you hear that John and Jane Doe have a GUN in their house?”
        “Yes, I did, my child is never going to be allowed to go over there to play with their child again!”

        This deliberate vilification is so blatant that it boggles my mind that even the most determined sheep doesn’t “get it”. You have to be willfully ignorant not to see this for the propaganda that it is.

        • Exactly..Point ON!

          • And if Jane and John Doe dont have a gun for protection, I dont want my kid over their house!

            un-protected? really? those people would not protect thier kids?..how unfit of a parent they must be for not taking thier lives, and thier kids lives seriously enough to own and train to use a firearm if necessary!..no fuckin way my brats going over thier house..

            • The sheep are DEMANDING to be sheared and let into the slaughterhouse.

        • @D …. LOL! I am sure I have felt better knowing my wee-one was at a house with a ‘GUN’ than without. In fact, if ‘they’ were anti-gun we might have a problem.
          It’s a whole different world to live around responsible, seasoned owners. Taught our kids much on every given chance.
          But, yeah… I can imagine that conversation in a sad, sad community of sheeple; and shutter accordingly.

        • “Gasp…did you hear that John and Jane Doe DONT have any guns in their house AND they drive a frickin Prius??

          Ya I did…and for sure my child isnt hanging around over there anymore…whats more theres no way my ole hound is ever going near that sweater wearin poodle of theirs who barks with an accent and smells like Bath&Body ever again…buncha wierdos I tell ya… 😉

        • I wouldnt let my children go play at someones home that didnt have GUNS,,,,


        • 100% right Daisy, and it is a pure Alinsky tactic.


        whereas any STATE that wants to LEAVE the United States Of America………….can, freely, and live in Harmony AND PEACE with other GUN OWNERS AND PATRIOTS

        and the USA loses all the tax money

        AND THE FEDS, never allowed onto the LANDS

        with common sense gun laws, proper training and people with the same mindset and Morally Alive and Awake…..and all thye gun haters, tree hungers and TRAITORS KICKED OUT

        • Every true hunter is a “tree-hugger” to some extent.

      36. ” Got .45-70 ???”

        Marlin® Model 1895 Lever-Action Rifle

        Potent .45-70 caliber
        Side-loading gate, side ejection
        Adjustable open sights, tapped for scope mounts
        18-1/2″ barrel with deep-cut Ballard rifling

        AnyOne having a hard time finding a good Bug-Out Rifle … CheckOut the Marlin Lever Action .45-70 !

        It’ll drop a Full Grown 2300 pound American Buffalo Bull (male) and kill the next two buffalo standing behind it as well .

        It’s a Great round and more than makes up for lack of magazine capacity in power and ability to penetrate clean through pretty much anything it hits .

        ” GOT .45-70 ???” it’s the only choice when buggin-out to the 4 corners of the earth into unknown wilderness and circumstances .

        ~N.O. ;0p

        • Nice round, and caliber..a bit pricey though. whats the availability now with the PLANNED amm0 shortage?

          the 300 and 30-06 and 30-30..are nice ,because they all take the same slug..

          SANTA!!!! do you have a seccond delivery date? ho ho ho

          • second line is for the re-loaders..wink wink

          • @VRF ;0) … YOU MAKE All very good points , good choice also on the round the .30-30 is a Cowboys / Country Boy’s Assault Rifle of choice .

            I got lucky 5 years ago , picked up a sweet deal at an auction my used , GUN-SMITH competition dialed in (“pre-freedom group(fascist george soros) Cerberus Company buyout”) Old Marlin Lever .45-70 it’s pure Marlin Craftsman beauty and grace , it shoots very smooth as it’s ported . Love it !

            As for the ammo , I don’t worry about the price … I’m more concern with the results … ;0) I buy in bulk as it’s my own “GO TIME” “DRAG IN THE MUD” very dependable bug-out gun of choice . I figure it only has to get me through the first year or two of a shtf scenario … I’ve alternative quieter means for hunting silently which are my long term weapons of choice in a shtf scenario .

            The .45-70 BIG BADDA BOOM STICK is carried just in case sheeit happens ;0P !



            ~N.O. ;0p

            • Marlin..oh you done good.

              I was in the market for a 45-70 early this year, have not scored yet
              wanted it for Wild Boar huntin in Texas..Guess I should get my game on and see what I can find, I hope to go get me some wild pork this year coming up.

              hope they dont price these at supid prices as of now..maybe I’ll find someone that will decide they dont want it no more..thats how I scored my Blackhawk.

              What grain slug do you throw outa that thing?
              will a 230 Gr 45 do the trick or bigger?

              • @VRF

                I load 350 grainers in my 45-70. They do an awesome job on pigs within reasonable range.

                I also have a Marlin 336 chambered in 35 Remington that is also a good pig popper. This is my everyday “pick-up” rifle that I haul around. The recoil is light enough to get off quick second/third shots, and slightly outperforms the 30-30 (not by much). The 35 Remington can also be loaded with bullets intended for use in the .357 Magnum round, although the .357 bullets are .001 smaller than the 35’s diameter of .358. They make great defensive rounds and target loads when loaded with Gold dots or Hornady XTP’s.

                On another note, both the 45-70 and 35 Rem. use many of the same powders as common defensive chamberings, such as 5.56×45 and 7.62×51. This helps in reducing the amount of different powders you keep on hand.

                I’m fairly new to this site. Are there many ammo reloaders on here? I have about 25 years experience with it.

                • BB you and I will get along just fine

                  Been re-loading for some time, cant put a time frame on it due to that fact that I stopped and put my time into other hobbies for a while, and having kids etc..was brought up with it, my Dad taught me when I was a teen.

                  I re-load about 9 different calibers. great stress reliever

                • I have the Marlin 336 in .35 Rem as well, I love it! Quite a bit more stopping power than a .30-30 with my reloaded 200 grain slugs. I have been reloading on and off since I was a teenager, about 30 years ago.

        • If I had to bug out on foot I’ll carry a 357 lever and revolver plus a small 22 for sm game. I love the lever gun and the 357 rnd. I know it can’t do what a 45-70 can but then the 45-70 can’t go in my revolver either. I can carry about 120 live rnds of 357 and reloads for 500 plus a hand reloader.

          • Bugging out is suicide unless youre going to a fortress.

        • Technically, the 45-70 is not much more powerful than a 30-06. If you look at the ft-lbs, they are both near the 3,000 ft-lbs range. The 45-70, however, shoots a 300 grain bullet at about 2,200 ft/sec. Thats good enough for 100 yards. Beyond that, the trajectory gets really high, making longer shots very difficult.

          The magic of the 45-70 is that very heavy bullet. I don’t care if you top it or not, when you do its gonna hurt.

          • …stop it, not top it. Ugh.

            Also, the twist in a 45-70 is slow so you can’t use bullets that are very ballistically efficient but since the velocity is not that fast and the distance not that long, it probably doesn’t matter.

            …just hope it has a recoil pad or you wear a heavy coat when you’re sighting it in.

            • yeah same with the 300 winchester round and a nice remmington A bolt,,I call mine the punisher, sucker feels like it wants to take your shoulder off

              • I love my Model 70 .300 Win Mag just as much as the Marlin!! They do pack quite a kick when sighting in, but nothing a small sandbag can’t take care of. I hardly notice the recoil when shooting at game though.

          • “THANK YOU” ;0) SINCERELY @NETRANGER , BBSTACKER , VRF , JIM , BAD AMERICAN ;0) AND THE REST OF YOU Prepper Gents Ladies for sharing your very experienced Firearms knowledge with me ON THE .45-70 COMPARISON COMMENTS .

            Your Comments are all truly Appreciated . ;0)

            * Hornady .250 / .300 grain .45-70 ammo for my lil’ hand canon – does the job for me .

            ~N.O. ;0P

        • NinaO:

          I was at the gun range just after Thanksgiving. Took the .444 and .45-70 for a walk. Range master came down between sessions to check my ammo. Said the muzzle blast was scarin’ the locals. Let him “test” fire both guns. Made a new friend, plus several free passes for next time.

          Both guns are H&R singles. Girlfriend loves the .45-70. Says the.444 is too “pussy” for her, lol.She’s a keeper.

          • Great girl.

          • Ever shot the new .450 Marlin with the 18″ ported barrel? It makes a .45-70 look tame, and the muzzle blast will just about take out a window if you shoot too close to it!! Ammo is very pricey and hard to find though.

      37. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=663753

        Dwight R Worley
        23006 139 Ave
        Springfield Gardens, NY 11413

        But you might want to call him first to let him know you’ll be dropping in: (718) 527-0832

        and here are the rest of the red diaper doper babies at
        The Journal:

        Journal News President:
        —Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane Mamaroneck, NY 10534 (914) 694.5204

        —Cyndee Royle, 1133 Westchester Ave., Suite N110, White Plains, NY 10604, 914-694-9300
        –Nancy Cutler 9 Woodwind Ln, Spring Valley, NY. (845) 354 3485

        Parent company of The Journal News Gannett
        —–CEO Gracia C Martore 728 Springvale Rd Great Falls, VA 22066 (703) 759 5954

        The reporter on the story is:
        –Dwight R Worley 23006 139 Ave Springfield Gardens, NY 11413 (718) 527 0832

        Here is a link from a forum that had all the reporters name and addresses. LMAO

      38. I don’t think this map will be of use to criminals because it is only a list of those licensed to carry a concealed weapon, which is a very small subset of the total gun owners out there.



        even the fed trolls /gun haters/TRAITORS/ and communist pos liberturds= just wishing urs to be HAPPY FOR ME/ UR LAST ONE .

      40. The thing that really grinds my shorts is the friken APATHY in this so called administration

        that is a huge problem

      41. @ INCOGNITO: You are correct, Sir. The better equipped the enemy is, the better equipped we will be, as we relieve the enemy of his weapons, one by one. Can I get an Amen, brother?

        • Amen..

        • Amen and AMan… we shall see how many men are left in this country.

          I told my wife the same thing…

          They, do not want old Vietnam vets, putting our boots back on…
          But, when I called my congress critter, his staff, for the first time, has not returned my call. I am sensing fear in congress… bad sign.


        • Oh, no, surely you’re wrong! Government never lies.

          Income tax = voluntary

          Social Security Tax = voluntary and will NEVER EVER be more than 2% of income. (…or was that income tax? Probably that too…)

          Dollar Off The Gold Standard = temporary measure

          There really is only ONE problem: they people that make the laws make themselves immune to the laws. Fix that and every other problem will fix itself. Well, except fot the FedRes. That one just needs to be burned to the ground.

          Government is the most dangerous thing. Throughout history governments have murdered, destroyed, stolen from, raped and poisoned more people than natural disasters, plagues and fother maladies combined. The most dangerous thing created by man is not the atom bomb, it is the governments that control those atom bombs. Immoral, uncaring, evil, untruthful and criminal are the five words most likelty to describe government. You may not see the immorality, the uncaring, the lies, the evil or criminal acts, but if government is there so are those. In fact, were I philisophical enough, I would say government is actually there to make sure those five words stay in our vocabulary forever.

          If it were not for governments, we probably could have erased poverty from the earth. Where evil men congregate, that is called government. Oh, it starts out good and helpful but then becomes evil over time. Our own government was really pretty decent until the 20th century. Sure there were bad spots but overall I think we did fairly well. But now, no, all evil. Government ONLY exists to server itself or its masters in charge. Serving the people is a mask of the theft taking place.

          • Wrong. George Washington used the troops on American citizens to put down three tax rebellions. John Adams, the second president, criminalized free speech. The government was stocked with shit-eating rats from day one.

            MOLON LABE


          • Netranger,
            You are right, and wrong.
            Government is evil, but not the MOST evil thing.
            You are sucked into the same trap I was in until I learned.
            Gold is not the panacea you think.
            The most evil thing is not government, but bankers with the legal power of issuing credit with the stroke of a pen.
            The panics and depressions of the 1800’s, were under a gold standard… the thing that is controlled by the bankers pens. Bankers create depressions in order to clean up at ten cents on the dollar…

            Lincoln proved this with Greenbacks, it was and always will be bankers who profit from misery, as they control markets with the power of the pen.

            It is not simply government that is evil, it is centralized government and centralized money power. If money was valued on real things and peoples labor without debt or interest, there would be no need for taxes. Do not make the mistake like a lot of the right that honest bankers exist at the top of the food chain.

            We are all deceived by the bankers lie that money must be short in order to be ‘valuable’. Read the history of money and your eyes will be opened.

            • Piper: what you wrote-Valued on Real things and labor with NO debt or intrest…IS Exactly the same method Hitler used to fix germanys wiemer hyper inflationary troubles.

              And he fixed it with less than 2% unemployments(from a high prior of 35% Unemployed!) and withOUT any Gold and zero “Private” banksters(he Booted em all out!).

              And he acomplished this all in Less than 5 yrs time!

              And Thats reason what was done to fix germany after WWI + Wiemner inflation, due to Versi(?) Treaty, was Never taught to american school kids!

              Its been hidden info untill recently because Banksters Knows if the worlds folks Learn how germanys woes was fixed so fast and swell…Every nation will Clamor to do likewise!

              That would spell END GAME for ALL fed res type bankster swindlers And their entire tribe of Parasites!

              If you aint read of it all I suggest you read it as it is simply an amazeing story and so easy to do if tried etc!

      43. I VRF, as an American, and as a father, pledge the following:

        I Pledge to never disarm, and in particular, to never surrender my military pattern, semi-automatic rifles (and full capacity magazines, parts, and ammunition that go with them), regardless of what illegitimate action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

        I also pledge to pass on those military pattern rifles to my children and my children’s children, as well as the full capacity magazines, parts, and ammunition to needed to use them, regardless of what illegitimate action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

        • I, NetRanger, as an American, and as a father, pledge the following:

          I pledge to never disamr, and in particular, to never surrendy my military pattern, semi-automatic rifles (and full capacity magazines, parts and ammunition that go with them), regardless of what unlawful action is taken by Congress, the President or the courts.

          I also pledge to pass on those military pattern rifles to my children and my children’s children, as well as the full capacity magazines, parts and ammunition needed to use them, regardless of what unlawful action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

          I re-typed it to make it official.


          • Bullshit. You wont do anything when they come to take your guns. If communism was allowed to get this far, they will take it all the way with no protest.

            • Just because many if not most are cowards, worms, and love their lives, does not mean there are not many of us who REMEMBER what a free country with GOD GIVEN rights was all about.

              If I sense that this Marxist infiltrator and usurper is going to pull this crap, you will find out soon enough, that this pledge these gentleman affirm, I pledged long ago, and has never been revoked;

              …all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC…

              • O yeah, tough guy? Nobody has done anything so far, why expect that they will when the going really gets rough?

                • I pledge to Honor the Constitution, the BOR and especially the Second Adm..I took this Oath in 1966..I did so willing and with out reservation! USMC…Oh and I pledge to shoot anybody”s Ass That Tries to disarm me!

                  Semper Fi and to you trolls Simply Fuck It!

        • I, JM Denver, as an American, and as a father, pledge the following:

          I pledge to never disarm, and in particular, to never surrendy my military pattern, semi-automatic rifles (and full capacity magazines, parts and ammunition that go with them), regardless of what unlawful action is taken by Congress, the President or the courts.

          I also pledge to pass on those military pattern rifles to my children and my children’s children, as well as the full capacity magazines, parts and ammunition needed to use them, regardless of what unlawful action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

          I also pledge to seek out and acquire as many more “evil” semi-automatice rifles, handguns, full capacity magazines, and non-hunting application ammo as I can without going broke in the process… regardless of what unlawful, immoral and un-patriotic action is taken by Congress, the President, or ther courts.

          So help me God.

          Molon Labe

          • Right on Brothers!

            I like both of your add ons

            Net Ranger, and JM Denver

            Si Vis pacem para bellum

      44. White Plains newspaper The Journal- News, a Gannett publication, has published the full name and address of every licensed pistol permit holder in three New York counties. I don’t know whether the Journal’s publisher Janet Hasson is a permit holder herself, but here’s how to find her to ask:

        Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane, Mamaroneck, NY 10534.

        Phone number:

        (914) 694-5204

        The reporter on the story is

        Dwight R Worley
        23006 139 Ave
        Springfield Gardens, NY 11413 (718) 527-0832

        Cynthia R Lambert
        17 Mcbride Ave
        White Plains, NY 10603 (914) 948-9388

        Work: 914-694-5001

        Link, below..lets go people..whats good for the goose!

        • let’s also stop patronizing their advertisers and let them know why!

          can anyone else on here find who advertises with this junk paper?

          lets send them our reasons why we will never buy thier paper, and why we will not use thier advertisers services if they dont pull their adds NOW!..

          does anyone on this site have this paper? if so list the advertisers info please

        • Well, Springfield Gardens is in Queens (NYC), so there’s no way he has a gun, unless he has the right friends.

      45. when it comes to me..the statement that was made by the Japs comes to mind

        “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

        Oh you bet you have..my talons are in deep on this one.

      46. From Devvy Kidd:

        So here are the addresses and phone number of N Y J o u r n a l “columnist” (one who propagates journalistic abuse) D w i g h t R. W o r l e y who published all of the HOME ADDRESSES of Law Abiding C o n c e a l Carry G u n Owners of the entire state of N Y as well as the rest of the Marxist swine at The J o u r n a l:

        D w i g h t R W o r l e y
        23006 139 Ave
        Springfield Gardens, N Y 11413

        But you might want to call him first to let him know you’ll be dropping in: (718) 527-0832

        and here are the rest of the red diaper doper babies at
        The J o u r n a l:

        J o u r n a l N e w s President:
        J a n e t H a s s o n, 3 Gate House Lane Mamaroneck, N Y 10534 (914) 694.5204

        C y n d e e R o y l e, 1133 Westchester Ave., Suite N110, White Plains, N Y 10604, 914-694-9300
        Nancy Cutler 9 Woodwind Ln, Spring Valley, N Y. (845) 354 3485

        Parent company of The J o u r n a l N e w s G a n n e t
        CEO G r a c i a C M a r t or e 728 Springvale Rd Great Falls, V A 22066 (703) 759 5954

        The reporter on the story is:
        D w i g h t R W or l e y 23006 139 Ave Springfield Gardens, N Y 11413 (718) 527 0832

        • Devvy is someone I’ve appreciated a lot the last 20 years.

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      48. Copied from another site:

        Below is a statement by Congressman Ron Paul entitled “Government Security is Just Another Kind of Violence.”
        I am going to reproduce it in its entirety because I don’t know how long it will remain up on the Congressman’s website now that he is retiring.
        The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place. Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones.
        Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don’t obey laws.
        The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped.
        While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence. Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets. We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws.
        Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality. The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home. U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.
        Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.
        Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided “security,” a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.
        Do we really believe government can provide total security? Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence? Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.
        Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

        we really screwed up by not having this man as our President, SCRATCH THAT..,..we really GOT screwed by them not allowing him to be president..

        • Charlotte Observer Caught Fabricating sources in gun control story

          • @ VRF. I am trying to watch the earthquake activity, and they just had a 5.3 in the Ascension Island area, this one was aimed towards the northern Peru and southern Ecuador zone. I am pretty confident something really big is coming to one or more of those locations I gave as a danger area by Jan. 3 for the first sequence, then Jan. 8 for the next.

            I was thinking about this, what right does some foreigner have to try to change anything engrained over here, like the constitution. It is worse than bob costas because at least he is sort of a citizen here. No matter how stupid and absurd an US citizen believes they are entitled to be a jackass. Piers morgan does not have that right, he has the right to be deported. I was thinking of a perfect place for him; New Delhi, India. The Indians really like to have some overbearing stuffed up brit telling them what to do with their country just like the UK was doing previous WW2.

            It really is not right that anyone is trying to undermine the protection of this country in the form of a well armed citizen army (militia), especially someone that is not even a citizen, or a legal resident of the country. Morgan is not a resident is he?

            When you look at this logically, what type of foreigner would want ALL guns banned in a country that they are only on a visitor’s permit. This would benefit an enemy of the U.S. to only have to worry about the armed forces and law enforcement rather than the citizens. It would leave wide open the country for invasion, with little resistance past the armed forces. The country is spread pretty thin around the world. Citizens without firearms is a country that loses wars.

            The Justice Department ALWAYS needs to investigate ANY foreigner that is trying to get the United States’ defense dimished. There could well be some criminal intent there, or much worse. This is why I wish they would get a petetion going on getting the brit looked over, and ALL foreigners attempting to water down or break up parts or all of the Bill of Rights or other Constitutional Rights guaranteed. I am sure someone could write one a lot better than me that has some legal background. Let’s get the F.B.I. and maybe the N.S.A. looking at the englishman and maybe something insidous will turn up.

            • Thanks for the heads up BI, I havent yet said anything to the inlaws, you know with Christmas and all going on and New Years is a hell of a celebration down there..

              Im going to have a talk with the wife tomorrow about it, just to give them some heads up to be on guard so to speak.

              Bro, you are spot on about having this guy strung up and interrogated, checked and rechecked, held in a cell ( you know to protect him..he he) And than dropped off at the Brits Court..he has some unfinished buisness in his own dam county and Im sure his government wants to get to the bottom of his shit over there that he so convieniently walked away from when he entered this country..and what does that say about our borders and who we have let into this country..? this man has unfinished legal matters in his own country and he runs to the USA to save his sorry ass and than goes on to bash our rights?.. No way..Not going to lay down for this.I want some answers and action, and If I dont see it soon..It will just solidify my opinion on just how fucked up this government is.

              Where in this world can you go and bash a countries founding principals and continue to be welcome? no where else, and it shouldnt fuckin fly here either.

      49. Just wondering. Maybe some of you long timers can tell me why it takes so long for a comment to be “moderated” whether you make a comment at 2am or 2pm. Thanks

        • Mountain Trekker – I’m pretty sure all the moderation is done manually. Mac is probably having some family time, with it being Christmas, and may not have taken a look at the queue yet. I’m sure it will be appearing soon!

          ~ D

        • It also depends on whether you post a link. If there is no link, your post goes up immediately.

          • Ah yes! Thanks for reminding us, ScoutMotto! I had forgotten that. Posted down below and wondered why it said awaiting moderation.

      50. Thanks for the info Daisy. Fairly new to the site, wasn’t sure how it worked. M.T.

      51. Off subject, but FYI.. if you’re contemplating buying a big diesel truck, better get a 2012. New regs will require all diesels beginning 2013 model year to use Exhaust Fluid.. separate tank. It is injected into the exhaust stream to fully burn those nasty green house gases. Cost is about $7 per gallon and the vehicles will use +/- 1 gallon per tank. Can’t get it at gas stations yet. Kicker is if it runs out of Exhaust Fluid, your truck won’t start. Period. All 450 / 4500 series and above require it this year. 350 / 3500 and lower series next year. Thank you Cass Sunstein and our Glorious Leader, Obamagedon. I only found out because I was considering a Ram 5500 4×4. Not any more.

        • Yeah you know what the liquid is?
          Its cow piss..no im not joking..
          its another bullshit deal..no pun intended

          • Basically you’re right.. it’s Urea… udderly amazing ( pun intended ). Personally, I say piss on em.

        • a friend has a 2012 chevy w/duramax diesel and has the cow piss tank already. it’s behind the seat. fukin piece o’shit only gets 12 mpg. it’s already here boys and girls…….

        • All you need to do is to “jump out” the float switch at the exhaust fluid tank. The vehicle will start and run just fine . . .

      52. They don’t care about their rights.
        They don’t care about your rights.
        They Hate Us for what and who we are.
        They want us dead.

        Are you going to help someone who will eventually turn on you? Are you really going to worry about collateral damage when they make you a criminal according to their laws because you want to defend yourself. Why do we continue to try and reason with these people when they can not be reasoned with. Are you going to be one of those who ask, “Why” when they are kicking your front door down?

        You all better get your priorities in order while you can.

      53. I am so glad I live in Wyoming. Not only are permits not required to own a gun, but concealed weapon permits are not public record. Actually, since Governor Mead signed a bill making us one of four Constitutional Carry states, we don’t even need a permit to carry a gun — concealed or not.

        A police officer I know told me that he knows that about 95% of people with Wyoming licence plates he stops for traffic violations (or whatever) have a gun in their car.

        • Moving to Wyoming!

          • hope you like cold wind

      54. question 2 group..so what if they know legitmately packs? we have God on our side, they have the antichrist, aka BHO. i am not afraid. bring on the hoardes, we knew they was coming for years now, no surprises. (BTW, anyone owning a weapon in the city setting should know these loser dependents will seek u out. lesson, :GTH outta Dodge!)

      55. Own a handgun? Buy bulk ammo and food on your credit card? Use your IP address to access SHTF/EOTW sites? Amateur radio license?

        Hello Prepper! We’re the gov’t, and we know who you are and where you live.

        Nothing the Journal News posted is confidential, it’s all available through a FOIA request. Anyone can request the information, and cross referencing that list with the online amateur database will produce a good list of likely preppers for anyone that cares to know. Even if it’s not worth the trouble for you, might be worth it for some others.

        • That may be true but its still poor taste for them to do this sort of thing….seems they could/should be held liable for any injury done by their foolishness.

          • Not any longer in Mich! A newspaper tried this same crap a few yrs ago in mich. Can’t recall which county or city now?…But it caused exact same concerns and afterwards Legislators did new laws to BAN all FOIA requests for any gun owner or ccw lists…Forgot what reason was used?

            Something tied into 2nd amendt rights and true intent and safty of gun owners etc…I think it also passed the court test when challanged too!

            Zero lists from mich anymore….Wanna know whos pakin?…Do a B&E and find out!


      57. It’s like Bobby Seger sang about….

        You hit the street, you see them staring, you know they hate you, you can feel their eyes a glarin…

        Because You’re different! because you’re Free! because you are everything deep down They Wish They could be!

        • @ A.M.

          I have been reading the comments at this site a long time and I do value each comment. Even from the trolls as they do provide a contrasting point of veiw. Not from a newspaper or major news network. More personal. I do believe we are going to make some hard decisions and giving people the benefit of the doubt as to how they will react to any circumstance is a luxury that will not be afforded to us in the future. Decisions are going to be made in a blink of an eye. Many think they are going to have fun like all those video games. This is serious business! Life changing for sure. Very few can think it through to the end. When or how does it all end?

          • Slingshot: I agree. Very few can think it thru hows it end?…well as to end I for one believe whats writ in the bible is spot on…We win because Christ will win it all at end. That don’t mean we all live to see it end though!

            Some will live that through as it states of a remenant alive at His retrun caught up with them whos resurected(raptured to some) AT His return Not before.

            As to very few think thru?…Well I believe it is due to even with alot of folks ability to see todays woes and troubles etc…And this is a great thing! BUT to me it seems most still, same as libs does, Refuse to even Consider just maybe “some” stuf learned and taught was Lies or Wrong info.

            100 yrs of full blown kommie brainwashings has led to america is a nation filled with folks who will NOT or Can not consider a couple issues, period.

            And no matter how many times its posted here and no matter how many links or facts showed here the same results occures every time…Name calling. Slanders. But never any admiting just maybe Thats the correct truths.

            I too was that way till aprox 5 yrs ago on the jewish issues…While I been awake fully the last 40 yrs on most other stuf…It is very difficult to abandon prior beliefs.

            But Know the Truth, is and has been the ONLY real option. Perhaps some cannot handle it on certain issues?

            I do rekon sooner or later most will awaken even to them issues. Be hard to cling to falsehoods if for example 99% of citizen “workers” at fema camps all has names like Bloomberg or Finestien eh….

            I just Pray daily for Gods intervention to awaken way more folks because unless they do awaken and Soon?…We as america are finished. Only a vast aray of determined and Majority can posibly halt what we see today.

            Somewheres has to be a safe place though I think…Else wise how is it possible to see any remenant survive till the end?…Just my opinion as I got zero proof or scriptures to prove that.

            Consider though: in Old Testement, can’t recall where now? IT speaks of a time in future where God will Re-gather the Decendants of the NORTHERN TEN tribes of isreal(not includeing the southern tribes of judah and benjamin)…

            If you study it well, the Lands and Nation described is NOT mid east isreal today!…

            It says land of NO walls for security/safty(isreal has cement walls 40ft tall!)…And it speaks of a land or nation Vast in size-Filled with streams/waters-best agriculture lands worldwide- Mountains-and alot more descriptions.

            To my mind no other area of world can posibly fit it all like america does. Plus a key part is God says “I will gather them from all the nations, and bring them to a NEW land!!!…NOT their “fathers” nor Abrahams lands promiced etc!…A NEW LAND!

            Whats usa?…Newest land/nation of all, right. America far as countries goes IS the New kids on block right.

            No other country or nation fits whats written but Here usa. And if you think in terms of “Melting Pot” as we always was called…AND as it First was begun..IE: Prior to Multicultic madness in recent times(since 1965).

            Basically 99% of americans came here from white-european-christian stocks…(gather em from all nations)…And Unlike today Our whites ancestors DID learn one languauage, english, and fully assimilated as supposed to.

            They kept certain “cultural” identities or customs at Home. IE: Foods-dress-etc…BUT when it came to become an real patriot american?…Our ancestors did that in Spades!

            Just try reading that bible stuf if you can locate it, and keep an Open mind, Regardless What you were or were not prior told or taught…And consider what YOU know as real or true of america.

            And remember…Back when Solomon Died, like 1000 yrs Before Christs birth, is when 12 tribed isreal Split into TWO seperate nations…Each with its Own armys-King-People-etc…Hence the TEN tribed Northern Kingdom of ISREAL!…Not “jews” or “jewsih” or “Judah”…TEN North tribes who KEPT the Name of “Isreal” just like Jacob Foretold at egypt when he was near death and passed on His(and abrahams and isacs) orig. Blessings down to Jacobs GRANDSONS!…Josephs twin sons…NOT to jews. Not to ANY of jacobs 12 sons!…But passed to his Grandsons.

            Jacob told Ephraim And Manessah BOTH(josephs twin sons) YOU will Keep MY name of ISREAL! and forEVER You and even 1000 generations after you Will always be Known as Isreal!

            Judah his ONE of 12 sons, got a blessing too as did the other 11 sons of jacob/isreal…BUT the Vast Bulk of usually First Born blessings to a Son…ALL went to Jacobs Two grandsons…He skipped a generation!

            ps, Although Joseph was jacobs 4th(?) born son…Joseph was Considered the 1st born entitled to blessings due to His mother is the One True 1st love jacob had(he had 2 wives + 2 concubines jacob had his 12 sons with)

            So Joesphs twin boy sons is who Jacob, now called isreal, passed His God granted blessings to…Go read of it all.

            Ask yourself Which peoples and What nation from, has ever gotten the type blessings outlined by God besides…America?

            ONE Example: All nations and even every Family on earth will be blessed because of Your blessings and offspring decendants…Todays pastors Insist thats the jews…

            Hows it true the jews?..When did they ever number so vastly as the stars in heavens? or sands of seas?
            Hint: they today are 14 Million total…Been like that all along, Minority wherever gone to live right.

            What swell stuf has any nation Ever yet gotten due to
            nation wrecker(banksters too) jews?…ZERO.

            Even God Himself says everywheres they go to will despise them due to their evil swindles etc…Does That sound like who got blessed or blessed Other familys or nations?…Not Hardly!…Go read that stuf with Open clear mind…And Pray for Wisdom to Know Truth…Then see what you think or believe…I bet you will question todays pastors alot closer! I sure did!

            Sorry so lengthly here, but you Did Ask me! have a Safe happy new year…Hope its better for Our side eh!!!!

            • PS: Slingshot..I forgot to add this part…Them blessings as in all nations and familys of earth will also get blessed etc..Its TWO seperate type of blessings…One is Spiritual, and the other is Material aka lands-wealth-prosperity-etc…

              While its obviously america who got the material stuf, the Spiritual blessings really means when God told abraham “I will bless all who bless You and Your SEED”

              That meant Blessed abrham himself,,,AND as to his “seed” it means the spiritual blessing to every family worldwide in the Person of Jesus Christ as saviour etc…

              It does Not mean what todays pastors insist is who blesses jews God blesses!!…It don’t say “Seed’s” plural…But rather One single “seed” aka Decendant offspring aka Christ!…That how God has blessed entire earths people…has zero to do with bless jews etc..

              And todays pastors also get it Wrong again when they teach it as some “Future” temple of jews in isreal to fullfill when God promiced to, in His New covenant God will “Live IN and AMOUNG” His people…

              Again aint nothing to do with jews or isreal mid east or temples etc…What did apostles say is the NEW temple of God?…us! Christians IS where God who IS spirit dwells/lives right. Thats how God will live and dwell in and amoung His people…See how easy to understand?

              Why so many todays pastors with all their “degrees” cannot comprehend it all?…Perhaps most is too busy worshipping Mammon(money) eh….

              Anyways them material blessings went to america no doubt, and due to wondefull folks who are americans(most of em) the Nations of the rest of world Has been blessed in many material ways also right…usa fed world-fought for other lesser nations-Invented and Shared invented stuf with all nations etc…And NO other nations folks did so much of spreading gospel to entire world than did american missionaries…

              You cannot find any other nation OR folks than america and its people who fullfilled them prophecys period.

              For further Proof of Two seperate nations of orig 12 tribes of isrealites…Look at ezekials Two Sticks verses…Proof of Two nations and ONE alone is called ISREAL! that being the TEN Northern tribes…NOT any jews. They the jews are called the southern nation of Judah…And untill Christ returns..Both will Remain Two seperate nations…Just one More issue todays pastors is wrong on eh….Maybe they need Me to buy a church! and teach it better eh!! ha ha ha…Not likely.

      58. “Gun Owner Speaks: Dana Schubert, a retired Newtown police officer, said after the school massacre that he supports gun owner privacy but would like to see laws requiring the storage of firearms in safes when not in use.”

        From: http://www.lohud.com/article/20121224/NEWS04/312240045/The-gun-owner-next-door-What-you-don-t-know-about-the-weapons-in-your-neighborhood?nclick_check=1

        What an idiot moron! Sorry Dana, you’re a dumbass. You do know that it has been reported that Adam Lanza’s mother did have all of her guns in a safe, right? So whats next, bigger safes? Oh, now, pretty soon if you own a gun you have to have a $20,000.00 safe? They will try to find a way to tax your constitutionally recognized, Creator endowned right.

        I think what it comes down to is they just are not making enough money off of gun owners. They want to tax and blame everyone up the line from the manufacturer to the owner to the gun. But, yet, we can never blame the car, its manufacturer, the roads or the builders that got them to the site of the massacre. I’m just dumbfounded at the ability of them to be led by the FEMACP (FEMA Cow Press) to accept such idiocy.

        These eastern seaboard wimpy communomarxofascioauthoritarian statists are just amazing! They gotta have a law for everything! They can’t keep illegal guns off the street so they want to tax and dictate how you shoot, store, buy or possess yours. They can’t keep illegal drugs off the street so they have to tax and regulate alcohol.

        We live in a society that wants to tax and regulate regular citizens because they see them as criminals. Now, because of the illegal, immoral, evil and unlawful actions of one man (supposedly. I think it was a setup. 2 gunmen. 1 patsy. Lots of lies.) this moron wants to make a law on how I store *MY* guns.

        Well, I already store most of my guns in safes except for the behind the door shotgun, the under the chair pistol and various ones out on the temp rack being cleaned, scoped, worked on or developing loads for. (…oh, and the pisol in my pocket, the one in the car, and the one in the other car, uh, make that 2 in each car.

        Crap! I’ve got guns everywhere! In safes, out of safes, locked, unlocked, loaded, unloaded. So, now I have to have them all in a safe? If something happens (an escaped circus lion chews my wife’s leg off…) can I sue this guy and/or the state because, now, I don’t have a gun out and loaded? Oh, did I mention that most of those guns in the cars, under the chairs and behind the doors are LOADED? …yet, somehow, no one gets hurt. Amazing isn’t it. Since my youngest was 7 (and my oldest would have been 16) I’ve enver paid any attention to guns whether loaded or unloaded. EVERYONE IN THIS HOUSE KNOWS TO HANDLE EVERY GUN AS IF IT WERE LOADED AND READY TO FIRE. …because in most cases, they *ARE*. Unsafe?

        Now, this guy thinks I should have them all locked up? What if, in the process of having to unload and lock up my weapons, I accidentally set one off and kill myself. Can my widow sue these dumbasses for damages?

        No, really, this is just as valid as what he’s working up to: if you didn’t have it properly stored, they are going to prosecute you as an accessory. They are so very much against blaming the person that made the choice to shoot that they will grasp at any straw to make sure they don’t “inflict” any responsibility on the criminal mind that did the shooting. Blame the gun. Blame the owner that left the gun out of the safe. No! No! Never blame the perpetrator.

        …why do we never blame the:

        Car that got him there.
        The maker of the car that got him there.
        The builder of the road that allowed him to drive there.
        The school corp that allowed so many kids in one area to be shot.


        …sorry, I kind of went off on that, but, I’m beginning to think I’m on Planet Retard and I really, really, REALLY want to return to Earth where there is truth and justice. …or used to be.

        • So glad im not alone, thanks I needed that

        • NetRanger – I’m with VRF… I read your comment several times; just so I could get it off my chest also.
          Thanks for the rant – I couldn’t add anything it was so clearly stated.

          • NR: Hobammy says YOU didnt build That! Road schools etc etc! But I say Hobammy didnt climb that banana tree to eat a banana!….We folks are stuck as if on another planet with a broke down space ship and Doomed to remain here forever it seems…And this place is filled with fools…”Tho they profess themselves filled with knowledge, they are nothing but FOOLS!” Liberal KOMMIE Fools!

        • you all need to revisit this case from scotus;

          United States v. Lopez 514 U.S. 549 (1995)

          there are no FEDERAL gun free school zones in the USA.

          google the case, see for yourselves.

      59. Shopping Tale

        I was in the mall, finishing up my Christmas shopping the other day. At the check out, my total came to $79.25.
        I handed the young lady a $50, a $20, and a $10. Then fished in my pocket for a quarter and handed it to her. She held the $50 up to the light and looked at it. Then she did the same with the $20. I was thinking to myself ‘Do I really look like a counterfeiter?’
        When she next held up the $10, I said “Miss, if I knew how to counterfeit 50s and 20s, I wouldn’t waste my time on ten dollar bills.”
        She smiled, “Oh, no sir” it’s not you personally. It’s just that we’re required to verify each bill.”
        “Okay, but if you scrutinize the quarter, I’m gonna take it as an insult.”
        She grinned the most devilish grin. Then held the coin to her eye like a monacle, “You did good on the eagle, but Washington’s face is a little sloppy.”
        We both laughed as she handed me a one dollar bill in change. I stuffed it in my pocket and left. In the parking lot, as I got my keys, I pulled out the bill. It felt strangely stiff. And a little thicker than most bills. When I got home I checked it out. Turns our it’s a fake!!

        • Yeah, but did she have nice tits ?

          • if she did, i got another fake dollar for her to keep.

          • Yes, but they were fake too!!!!

        • Hey pretty cool. Is it even MORE FAKE that the ones that Bernanke prints up?


        • Funny…because its true

          they are all FAKE!

          bitch is the dam joke is on us, people

      60. I have become deeply afraid of my own government. The economic mess they have created. The police state. The ubiqutious surveillance. The fusion centers. The march to communism. The corrupt media. The lies. The gun confiscation. The refusal to obey the constitution. The desire to regulate every aspect of my life.


        • and out of the other side of your mouth, you say we will not EVER do anything about it?

          Wait and see, if they do something really stooopid.
          OOps, ‘scuse me, they’ve already done too much stoopid, it won’t take much more to push people over the edge.

          It will be time to step up from protests to breaking things.

          • @ Piper Michael

            We will never know for sure what we will do until it happens. To say that we will do absolutely nothing is decieving oneself. Depends on what is the catylist that sets it off and is a variable ranging from a bank holiday to martial law. Each one for me will cause a different way of engagement. I do not want to rush in and get caught up with bank run riots. That would be stupid and you should have prepared for it. The time for breaking things will come fast enough. We should be using this time to prep hard.
            It is important that we remain calm while others panic. As government slowly moves against me,I have done the same by layering my preps. Each layer a step up in readiness. I do use a check list. Call it passive engagement.
            My thought process tells me there will be three types of people when it starts. People that will run to the government for help and be compliant to the fullest.
            Then there are those who are in between. Wanting to be
            free but do not have the means to be so. We can expect them sooner or later to make a choice to be government dependent or seek out the preppers. Most likely those gun owners that do not like military weapons and have done little to prepare but have some resources. Then there is US. We must be vigilant and careful we do not end up in a FEMA camp. Although we do seem to be separated now,the time others waste in a head to head confrontation we should use to unite.
            On the day of reckoning I will get up and turn on the T.V. and listen to the news, Make myself a cup of coffee. Have a smoke. Get dressed and pull out my checklist and finish up doing what I need to do.

            If there is an ICBM attack I will move a little faster.;0)

        • “I have become deeply afraid of my own government.”

          They are supposed to be afraid of YOU. And the fact that they no longer are is a danger to us all.


      61. And what steps are the Law taking against that journal for violating the rights of citizens and placing them in danger?

      62. Over at SGT report

        EX-Fed and wall Street execs going into hiding.

        Read More @ Activist Post


          I’ve a number of montana contacts , local real estate agents , law dawgs , car dealers and gun smiths … and they all for the last year have ;0)( i find it kinda funny and no one is really from montana most folks here are first generation here except maybe 20% of the population and most of them are indians ) actually bwiatched about how many “ex feds” are moving into montana to retire to the good life ;0) .

          funny how they All move to montana to escape the very FASCIST ZIONIST COMMIE BULLSHEEIT they All HELPED create serving the NWO UN ZOG ZIONIST GLOBALISTS to get that fat zog fed commie gov retirement check .

          And now they are the most vocal here on both sides of the isle supporting both sides for their own selfish reasons … while the real montana locals who were born here are forced to move out of the valley OUT OF THE STATE OF MONTANA … cause they can’t afford to live in montana any more !


          ;0P This is Not gonna end nicely is the ugly rumble I hear from the Local Montanan’s !


          ~N.O. ;0p

          • CAN YOU SMELL IT … ???

            FEAR ;0p !!!


            *** government officials retire en masse

            take notice of especially when we are seeing the same behavior on the part of Wall Street executives.

            Most people in the know are aware of the underground facilities which lies below the Denver International Airport which has an underground connected railway to the Cheyenne Mountain NORAD/Fort Carson/Peterson Air Force Base underground facilities. The structures are part of the Continuity of Government program developed by the United States government in the early days of the Cold War.

            However, these facilities are increasingly becoming the planned refuge for many of the global elite residing within the United States when all hell breaks loose. In September 2011, the evacuation of the elite to this safe hideaway was rehearsed in the DHS exercise known as Operation Mountain Guardian in which the Denver airport was shut down to commercial air travel except for specific, undesignated planes which were allowed to land in preparation for some staged catastrophe.

            DHS and CIA officials and their families will be provided safe sanctuary in various strategic locations in Colorado in times of trouble.

            retired officials from the NSA have relocated to an area in the Ozarks where they have access to underground safety zone which have/are being transformed into mini-villages of self-sustainable protection. Their properties consist typically of 5 to 10 acres for each family,

            retired officials from the DHS and the CIA, who are not part of the privileged elite but who know what is coming, have developed their own enclaves in the Rocky Mountains outside of Denver and Colorado Springs.

            ” OOH BOY THIS IS GONNA BE JUST ;0p pssszzt !”


            ~N.O. ;0p

          • Your post is too crazy to be useful. If you are trying to convey some kind of information, consider changing your writing style.


        • yup the unintended consequences of the internet today.

      63. FBP made 3 consecutive 2090M Simulated Head shots today in Yakima,WA. In first round for points.
        FBP is very full of himself right now. I will be stroking myself all week now.

        We must all take a breath or we will miss our targets.

        • How do you mean simulated? What are you doing?

          • We use standing Mannequins. 3D effect makes it more real.

        • whatcha doin in the opposite corner of the country FBP? Its warmer in Boca Raton.

          • Its been many years since I lived there. But I do miss the weather.

      64. This was just emailed to me by a friend. I don’t know when Darrell Scott did this but these words should not be forgotten.


        Guess our national leaders didn’t expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

        They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
        “Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

        “The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.

        “In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA – because I don’t believe that they are responsible for my daughter’s death.

        Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest opponent.

        I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

        Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
        Your words are empty air.
        You’ve stripped away our heritage,
        You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
        Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
        And precious children die.
        You seek for answers everywhere,
        And ask the question “Why?”
        You regulate restrictive laws,
        Through legislative creed.
        And yet you fail to understand,
        That God is what we need!

        “Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation’s history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine’s tragedy occurs — politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

        “As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA — I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

        My daughter’s death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!”

        – Darrell Scott

        Thanks, BigB

      65. I’m sure most of you don’t; but when I read the headline, I thought Darn, it needs a LIKE BUTTON

      66. There, their and they’re…learn when to use each spelling appropriately.

        They’re taking their belongings, and are placing them over there.

        I’m distracted from your work because of your writing errors.

        • This is not school, pal. And only trolls correct peoples spelling on the internet.
          If your so distracted by spelling errors , maybe you need to stand on your head in a foot of water until it subsides, or option two, go find a spelling forum

          Get a fucking life

          There, was that written to your satisfaction?

          • VRF

            This spell check nazi was infuriated with 3 buzz words.




            Obviously a statist infused member of the flock of sheep


            • Yup, I believe you got his number..

              normally I dont respond to scum like this, but I felt generous today..you know, with the holidays and all.

              sometimes you just gotta get the rant out

          • @VRF

            For my bad spelling, word usage and punctuation, I should have been flogged long ago.

            • Sorry, but when people use “loose” when they mean “lose” it gets to me, just a pet peeve, don’t mean to be a spelling-nazi or troll!!!

      67. That is crazy! This is why I want to hop the border to PA some day soon. I get tired of being hyper vigilant always feeling like I’m being watched trying not to sneeze in the wrong direction.

      68. This is cute, an interactive map for criminal entrepeneurs.
        “Ok Knuckles what street we knocking over tonight?”
        “well boss lets take a look at the map”
        “what map knuckles?”
        “the one the Journal guys made for us boss”
        “lemee see that, wow Knuckles they even tell us who has the firepower, great job Knuckles, take the night off we wont need you on this job its gonna be a cake walk”

        Now if this doesnt backfire and all of a sudden we see a lot of brand new home invasions I will be very surprised.
        Its sort of poetic justice though, in the haste to point the finger at the gun owners, the very clever folks at the journal have achieved an almost instant need for the rest of NY to arm itself.

        Stupid is as stupid does, assclowns.

      69. Margaret Thatcher to Ronald Regan ~ “For a Country founded on God, I do not understand the effort to remove God from schools, and every aspect of your society.” *paraphrase*

      70. Hi Mark.. I live in the map area.. this only shows folks with handguns.. since NY requires all hand guns be permitted. This is not the case with long guns. Anyone using the map to come into my house thinking there are no guns will have a choice of being shot by my 12G Mossberg, my 20G Mossberg, a 9mm HiPoint carbine, or for a quicker end, maybe the .45 Hipoint carbine. Really.. this is all kind of silly since long guns are not regulated by NY other than little things like the 10 round mag limit.. although this could be changing too.

      71. Some people would love to have a gun, preferably two. One for long-range and a shotgun. However, not all law-abiding citizens can purchase a gun, unless through private sale. How can you be sure that private sale gun is clean, with no offical record of it? If I get an answer to that, I’m going shopping–quietly of course.

        • Wilma, the records of whatever you acquire through private sale will be useless. It was never registered to you in the first place, see? by all means, GO SHOPPING, QUIETLY!!!

      72. Ha, ha – – I have 2 unregistered magnums. Won’t some break-in losers be surprised?!

        Like most things the media does, such a list is half-assed.

      73. Take back the country though business ownership. Own the land, own the real estate.
        Hey, with real estate…it’s like having your own slaves… you get 20% of a person’s net income. Yeah, we can talk all we want about freedom…. I’ll just tall you…you’re never free. You just think you are.

        Own businesses. Learn how to build teams of people.
        Then when the govt. gets out of hand…pull back.
        Don’t spend shit…

        I’m not going to spend a penny while that beige bastard is in office.

        ps. You’ll never be free because congress will keep getting us in debt to the jews.
        You best bet…forget about return on investment. Just keep hiding your wealth in metals. the fucks can’t find them.

        • “beige bastard” ;0) that’s better than “halfrican”,
          I love it….


        Paris hit by wave of street muggings and grave robberies
        Austerity-struck Paris has been hit by a wave of street muggings and grave robberies with thieves prepared to exhume bodies to steal gold and jewellery.

        ya’ll ain’t seen nothing yet …

        see link below …

        ~N.O. ;0P

      75. Remember the hate thrown Daisey’s way.

        These preppers should be arrested (for what?)! Their food should be taken and distributed to the homeless (how much do YOU buy them every week?)!

        Seems having more than you “should” is now a crime. Bet those who scream this nonsense have spent more on Etoys than I have ever spent on extra food.

        Expression of the hope that her kids be murdered. These rabid animals cannot be reasoned with.

      76. British Doctors’ Want Kitchen knives Banned in the UK


        Doctors’ Want Kitchen knives Ban in UK .

        wtf ??? is wrong with the psycho’s running Bloody England ???






        ” BAN ALL THE DOCTORS AND PSYCHO-PSYCHIATRISTS who All seem hell-bent on poisoning the entire world with suicide murder triggering pharmaceuticals !”


        ~N.O. ;0p

        • “ban kitchen knifes”..maybe not a bad way to inject some sarcasm into the coming gun ban fight.

          When these socialists want to “ban guns”, that’s not REALLY their aim. What they are REALLY trying to do is ban PEOPLE from having guns, in order to concentrate POWER within the CENTRAL STATE. Gun ban = power grab by socialists/globalists/UN.


          come and take it, bitchz

        • and dont forget
          Too many Lawyers

        • there’s too many doctors, too many lawyers, too many white collar useless idiots, too many cops, and too many freeloaders. IN general, there is too many sheeple.

      77. time for tribe

      78. FLASH NEWS : While on his family ZOG sponsored 50 million $$$ dollar Hanukkah Hawaii vacation – BARRY (*THE GAY BLADE*) SOETORO – ATTEMPTS SUICIDE IN HAWAII WITH 3 INCH THICK 2 FOOT LONG WHITE un-lubed Yiddish Inscribed Judaic Freemason PORCELAIN DILDO !!! ;0p

        Barry is Rushed back to Washington DC on a Air Force One Emergency non stop Flight to have the ZOG Yiddish Dildo Removed . ;0p

        White House Insider: FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT ILLEGAL ALIEN BARRY SOETORO aka barack hussein obama is Battling … Severe Depression is having Suicidal Homicidal Genocidal Thoughts .


        Aaaah Poor Barry … Boo Hoo ;0P

        GEE … I WONDER WHY ???



        It’s time barry soetoro was Impeached under the Mentally Incompetent President Impeachment Law FEDERAL ACT for the very REAL ILLEGAL FRAUD CIA LIE he is … before he gets all of AmeriKa Killed !!!


        see link below …

        ~N.O. ;0P

      79. The Next Financial Crisis

        With the US raising their debt ceiling, are we in a global bail-out bubble that will eventually burst? This doc offers a fresh insight into the greatest economic crisis of our age: the one still awaiting us.

        The financial storm that has rocked the world began brewing in the US when congress pushed the idea of home ownership for all, propping up those who couldn’t make the down payments. When it all went wrong the government promised the biggest financial stimulus packages in history and gargantuan bailouts. But what crazed logic is that: propping up debt with more debt? “They’re giving alcohol to a drunk: it just sets him up for a bigger hangover.”



        • did this mothe****ker arrive for that press conference on a short bus? he sounds totally bat-shit stoopid. all of you poops in NY who voted for this dipshit deserve whatever he heaps on you.

          • Problem is, is that there are many good people in rural upstate NY that would never vote for a dipshit like this, but they are vastly outnumbered.


        Some One at the DHS FBI NSA DARPA CIA might want to inform their NWO UN ZOG FED COMMIE GOV PUPPET MASTERS that their not the only folks making LISTS !!!


        ~N.O. ;0p

      81. Did anyone click on the link and note that this was for 3 counties in New York and not the entire eastern seaboard? I’m not saying its right, I personally believe that this was wrong and messed up but what do you expect from a liberal media that is more concerned with ratings than with the truth and privacy? One nice thing about living in Florida is that we don’t register our guns here. You’d only make a list like this down here if they did it for those that have a concealed carry permit, which would only tell you who might be packing in public but wouldn’t show you who might have a gun at home that doesn’t have a CCW for whatever reason.

      82. The school massacre is to me 100% a false flag operation by Us goverment and probably by Israel, they are comming for your guns, thats the reason.

        I think we should do the same they do, hang out every name and adress EVERY WEEK here and at other sites,
        congress people and senate people, that will scared the hell out of them!!

      83. Its no question about it; the reason that you must register all of your firearms is so that they will know where to go to collect them. And that could very well cause a civil war. After all, most guns owners have the mantra that their hero Charlton Heston had, which is, “you can pry my guns out of my cold dead hands!!” The most notable quote in the history of all gun owners!!

      84. “What these twisted souls hate is the notion that individual American victims of crime or oppression should retain any power to defend themselves, rather than mewling piteously into the telephone and then patiently waiting for our government masters to dispense aid at their leisure.”

        – Vin Suprynowicz

      85. We the People owe President Richard M Nixon an apology. He got ousted for a burglary.

        Look at today. And no oustings?

      86. Why are you crybabies complaining? You scream from the roof tops that guns are the only answer to our societal ills. You should be proud of your gun ownership, unless in the deep recesses of your warped minds you have feelings of guilt about your addiction to firearms. Idiots.

        • F.O.A.D. troll

      87. Obamas EPA administrator Bailed

        I know i sound like a broken record, but just in case others have not been paying attention or think that these things are not signs..they deffinetly tell me somethings not all good in the higher ups positions in this government

        I havent gathered all of the positions that have had thier leaders bail, step down..etc.. but the number has been growing

      88. http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

        It is worse–much worse–than you thought. Certainly, sanity and reason will prevail and this powergrab has no chance of passing. . . right? Sure. It may not matter. This President has a long history of ignoring the law and doing as he pleases by executive fiat.

        TEOTWAWKI tipping point?

      89. Well, this same info released to the public by publishing it in a news paper that is in on the governments agenda! Can Be Used By Gangs and watch the home for daily patterns and then break in when they are no one is home in hopes of getting a free gun and much more.

      90. A survival tip by Ugly:

        Where to hide cash?

        Folks, there are two places to never hide your cash–one is under mattress, and two is in your Bible. Those two places are where Secret Society Agents will look and confiscate.

        The best place to hide cash? Yes, I have found the best place to hide cash is in any Al Gore books. No one reads those, and no one wants them. Place an Al Gore book next to your Bible and your cash is completely safe.

        What I have found thru numerous studies by homes raided by the Secret Society is that all bibles, all books on Constitution, all books on self-help and freedom are gone. The only books left on the shelf were the Al Gore ones.

        Just another free survival tip by Ugly just as long as we still have alittle ‘free’ speech left.

      91. Gun Control Example for Idiocratic AmeriKans who Ride the Short Yellow Congressional Bus everyday to their Public Servant NWO UN ZOG FED COMMIE GOV jobs on Capital Hill Wahington DC . ;0p

        gOT gUN ?


      92. On the other hand, if you AREN’T on the list, now the bad guys KNOW your house is unarmed so they can kick your door down without fear of being blown off your front porch. If the bad guys are dumb enough not to recognize that then they deserve to be flushed from the gene pool.

      93. Ok, seriously, I want one of those “my next door neighbor is unarmed” signs..

      94. As far as Eastern Portland goes…..hippies live here…yes. However, I prefer my organic green drink, wild raw honey, and minerals over a sausage mcmuffin with egg……twice a day, just as I prefer my .30cal ( God Bless Her ) over silly pepper spray.

      95. Brilliant. Janet Hasson has now told would-be criminals one of two things: (a) which houses to hit if they are looking for a soft target (i.e., which ones are effectively Gun-Free Zones), and (b) where to go if they want to steal a gun in the owner’s absence. The fact that wrong-doers have access to this info via the Freedom of Information Act doesn’t mean that in the vast majority of cases they would know how to go about getting it, or would even think to do so. What it does mean is that Janet Hasson has just given a leg up to criminals and taken a bite out of public safety.

        Perhaps she could publish the names and addresses of school and family psychiatrists who have with ever increasing frequency and dosages been prescribing psychotropic drugs for children’s newfangled “behavioral disorders” for the past 25 years. Maybe this would give a leg up to those of us seeking to understand why our nation’s kids are increasingly acting psychotic, homicidal, and suicidal.

      96. Hope everyone had a good Christmas. AM, everything you said in #978293 is correct. I had 4 ancestors who served with the “Swamp Fox”, Colonel Francis Marion’s militia in South Carolina during the Revolutionary War. The same 4 ancestors also fought in the French and Indian War prior to our war for independence. I’m descended from a long line of people who have fought for freedom. I’m probably on a numbet of lists; don’t really care. I feel the waste will strike the air-circulation machine not long after Jan. 20. After that date, all bets will be off. Anyone who comes to my place to take anything will be on a suicide mission. Steppin up my preppin. best wishes to all. Braveheart

      97. I wally, as an American, pledge the following:

        I Pledge to never disarm, and in particular, to never surrender my military pattern, semi-automatic rifles (and full capacity magazines, parts, and ammunition that go with them), regardless of what illegitimate action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

        I also pledge to pass on those military pattern rifles to my children and my children’s children, as well as the full capacity magazines, parts, and ammunition to needed to use them, regardless of what illegitimate action is taken by Congress, the President, or the courts.

      98. If the War on Terror were real, then these journalists should be arrested and thrown into Gitmo for aiding potential domestic terrorists which is now enforceable under the Patriot Act, and because of the NDAA2013, they can be held in indefinite detention. Obama did declare the entire USA to be a battle ground in the War on Terrorism, and these irresponsible journalists have just aided and abetted domestic terrorism by identifying which homes a terrorist can go to to potentially secure a firearm. This is treason and is in fact indirectly arming terrorists. So lets see if the fake war on terror will prosecute these bozos, or if these dorks in Washingotn are just hypocrites…

      99. Many people are treating this as a ha ha so what moment. As your title stated, if you are on this list, you may be in grave danger, I cannot believe the gall of these idiots publishing all those names, every single person on that list NEEDS to sue these jackasses right out of business!! This just illustrates just how far these hateful libtards will go to ram their agenda home. Any, and I mean ANY gun control bill that comes out of that cesspool washington is going to stir up a hornets nest. Evidently these jackals seem to think that Americans will put up with this crap, they could be in for the surprise of their life! Every day it gets harder and harder to even look at liberals, especially family, it’s like being related to Benedict Arnold. I love this site, people here know and understand what is at risk, when I try to talk to liberals I swear it is just like arguing with a tv, you get noise, but nothing coherent, they hear, but refuse to listen, they don’t want their little libtard balloon popped they just want to have the government take care of them, provide for them, tell them what to think, dope them up with psych meds, and the kids too, escape, escape, escape, my God it just blows my mind sometimes.

      100. The same Satanically evil tribe that posted the list of gun owners is the same ones that control the media and the same ones that are working hardest to take guns out of the hands of Americans. The same ones that are in control of Wall St. and has groups like AIPAC attack and ruin anyone who dares question their control over it all.

        This same tribe needs to be hunted down and killed on the streets like the mad dogs they are!

      101. Can I point something out?

        Gun deaths are caused by, you guessed it, people with guns. So…your solution is…more guns? Don’t you find that a little bit odd?

        That’s akin to telling someone with diabetes that the solution for their problem is more sugar. Or telling someone with a broken finger that the solution is to break more fingers.

        People, you’re not stupid, use your brains and think logically. Your country has the highest, per capita, gun-related deaths in the whole world…most of those deaths are innocent people. This is what 88 guns per 100 people have done…it hasn’t made things better, only worse.

        At the very least, get rid of the armor piercing ammunition and assault rifles…you don’t need those to hunt, you don’t need them to defend your home…all you’re doing by having those available to civilians is enabling the criminal element to get their hands on them as well.

        • Steve, you have done no research on this subject. Your assumptions are incorrect. Please research. I was also surprised when I researched the possible correlation you mention and at other findings.

          • BTW, also research Mexico. Its a mess. Bad.

          • I just do not believe that when guns are a problem, and they are in the US moreso than anywhere else, that more guns is the solution. Usually, if something is a problem, you remove it, not add more of it.

            I don’t need to research other peoples opinions, when I can see first hand on news reports from a wide variety of sources (not just the regular media, I look just about everywhere) as well as first hand experiences from friends of mine from the US…there’s a major problem with guns, people are dying that don’t need to die. At the very least, remove military-grade guns from circulation, so that not every joe psycho can get their hands on them.

            Evcen though we’re going to probably disagree on this, thanks for being polite and cordial with your reply.

            • Steve S

              Why are you concerned about Military Style Rifles when rifles of all types account for less than 400 murders per year (323 in 2011 to be exact) and are the lowest of the firearms used. I find it very interesting that the most effective firearm to defend yourself from tyranny and the least likely used in murders is the primary focus of legislation. The greatest murderer of civilians in the last century was government gone wrong accounting for 55 million murdered (not by war but by genocide). The Founding Fathers had vast debates about government and their fear of it.

              Reasonable prudence should get you to revaluate your position after reading these facts.

              Below is from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.

              Murder Victims
              by Weapon, 2007–2011
              Download Excel
              Weapons 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
              Total 14,916 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,664
              Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
              Handguns 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220
              Rifles 453 380 351 367 323
              Shotguns 457 442 423 366 356
              Other guns 116 81 96 93 97
              Firearms, type not stated 1,705 1,825 1,828 1,933 1,587
              Knives or cutting instruments 1,817 1,888 1,836 1,732 1,694
              Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 647 603 623 549 496
              Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 869 875 817 769 728
              Poison 10 9 7 11 5
              Explosives 1 11 2 4 12
              Fire 131 85 98 78 75
              Narcotics 52 34 52 45 29
              Drowning 12 16 8 10 15
              Strangulation 134 89 122 122 85
              Asphyxiation 109 87 84 98 89
              Other weapons or weapons not stated 1,005 999 904 872 853

        • Steve S

          As a reminder the Second Amendment was not haphazardly positioned into the Bill of Rights but comes just behind the vaulted First Amendment for a reason. It’s not there to insure defense from criminals nor sport. It’s intent is at the very core of a free people.

          Your here, your thinking and civil unlike other posters. Google “The Federalist Papers” and then think about 20th century history. You will come away with the obvious thought that not only the words but the very intent of each part of the Bill of Rights is timeless because human nature does not change.

      102. BTW, didn’t read every post but nobody seems to have mentioned the greater point here… what is “Freedom of Information” is free to anyone who knows how to request it. Some journalist posting something on the Internet can simply be an example use but there could well be another party using it for another use. Maybe positive. REmember when State of SC sold its driver’s license list for $5,000? http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/1999/01/24/met_251170.shtml
        So, as these lists are created and as technology accelerates, we’ll see secondary markets reselling all the public information. E.g. $5 paypal to search if XYZ has a handgun.

      103. Your not going to use your hand gun to protect your neigbor? What type of neigbor are you? You want every new born to have a weapon?

      104. The SHTF scenario may come as early as Jan 15 2013 or sooner. What is happening with the so-called “Fiscal Cliff” that NOBODY is talking about is the fact that NO CHECKS will go out for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Pell Grants, Unemployment, Disability, Food/Rent/Heating Assistance or other Federal and State giveaway programs. Put it simple the Govt is OUT OF MONEY come 01/01/13 so what are the PEOPLE who rely on those checks going to do when the US Govt can’t print out all those GRAVY TRAIN CHECKS?? They will go insane. They will riot. they will call for OPEN Insurrection and crime and mayhem will explode. It will be like the LA Rodney King Riots x400 in every city. Get ready. It’s comming. This is IT.

      105. I LOVE that sign about the meterosexual neighbor !!!!!!!

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