A little read government study published in November 2011 downplays the dangers of a potential nuclear blast in Washington DC.
In a move that seems almost off the script for the powers that be, the corporate media is reporting that this study was supposed to be for official use only and shows that an attack in Washington DC wouldn’t be all that devastating.
An Associated Press article covered the report as if they wanted to make sure that they published some sort of article on it but did so in a standoffish, reluctant sort of way.
Thinking about the unthinkable, a U.S. government study analyzed the likely effects from terrorists setting off a 10-kiloton nuclear device a few blocks north of the White House.
It predicted terrible devastation for roughly one-half mile in every direction, with buildings reduced to rubble the way that World War II bombing raids destroyed parts of Berlin. But outside that blast zone, the study concluded, even such a nuclear explosion would be pretty survivable.
“It’s not the end of the world,” said Randy Larsen, a retired Air Force colonel and founding director of the Institute for Homeland Security. “It’s not a Cold War scenario.”
The little-noticed, 120-page study by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was hardly a summer blockbuster.
The study, “Key Response Planning Factors for the Aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism,” was produced in November by the Homeland Security Department and the National Nuclear Security Administration. Even though the government considers it “for official use only” and never published it online, the study circulated months later on scientific and government watchdog websites.
A report from CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on the government study fear mongered about an attack on DC, complete with a long ago debunked lie about the Oklahoma City Bombing and a demonstration of how little uranium is needed for a 10 kiloton bomb.
Interestingly, the coverage of this study comes just after world leaders met in South Korea to discuss the threat of nuclear terrorism.
An article from the HomelandSecurityNewswire discussed the main concerns that world leaders face in regards to nuclear terrorism:
The Seoul nuclear summit focused on the risk of nuclear terrorism; there are two risks: first, fissile materials, which terrorists may use to construct a dirty bomb, is kept at thousands of medical, research, and industrial facilities around the world – often without sufficient security; second, constructing a Hiroshima-type bomb is not as difficult as we may think
This past Tuesday, nearly sixty of the world’s leaders gathered in Seoul, South Korea, to discuss securing the world’s supply of nuclear material.
The discussions involved the risk of a terrorist attack using radioactive material, but the focus was beyond the risk of radiological, or “dirty,” bomb. A dirty bomb is composed of ordinary explosives packaged in radioactive material, such as is used in medical and industrial purposes.
These devices spread radioactive material over a large area, rendering those areas unusable until thoroughly cleared of radioactive contamination.
The Seoul nuclear summit had a greater, more threatening concern. That concern had to do with securing and accounting for fissile material, the core material for a nuclear device.
Many in the alternative media have speculated about a possible false flag nuclear attack that would be carried out by rogue intelligence agents.
Read the rest of this article…
Gov Study: Key Response Planning Factors for the aftermath of Nuclear Terrorism [pdf]
U.S. and Israel Set Stage for False Flag and Iran Attack [The Intel Hub]
Recommendations From the Three Mile Island Recovery Team: How to Survive Nuclear Holocaust [SHTFplan]
I think the government has some strong delusions.
Ya don’t say:
I think that is putting it very politely…I would say they all need compulsory sectioning under the mental health act.
Can somebody explain the normal levels of Alpha, Beta, gamma and X-Ray? Appreciate any assistance in this area. Not my expertise. Thanks to all.
I think we should give it a try and see what happens. I’m all for blowing washington off the map……
Not sure that is something you want to post on a blog lol
I could think of quite a few select “LEADERS” that might be a blessing if they were inadvertently misguided and just happened to be under the cloud when they busted that cap. A guy told me one time; Timothy McVeigh had the right idea but just had a poor idea of target selection. You can bet the more mouthy ones will be the first ones out of Dodge when this goes off. Let’s see, Pelosi, Waxman, Waters, Reid, Lee, oh and of course, the Benevento one, the Anointed one, the one and the only one OBAMA will be orbiting Guatemala in 29000 (AF1) licking his lips, thinking “I AM NOW THE UNDISPITUTED KING”, this is going to be easy now!!! We should be so lucky!
I have often said althugh i dont advocat it, the American people may be well served by a few WELL PLACED,
low yeild atomic devices.I’m JUST making an academic point!
… folks need to remember that israel has over 600 nukes and its own nuke bomb manufacturing facility in israel.
… also know that the israeli embassy in new york city new york is known to have a nuke signature with radiation detectors! it’s believed there is a nuke suitcase bomb there!!!
… and it was america who gave israel the nukes and helped them build their nuke facilities in israel!
… ameriKa created this zionist psychotic murdering monster!
… and now americans will suffer even more for it!!!
… 9/11 BUILDING 7 SEVEN IS A INSIDE zionist fed false-flag JOB!!! REMEMBER THE DANCING JEWS 9/11 and the MOSSAD VAN parked by the bridge loaded with a huge bomb! both stopped and arrested by the ny city police department!!!
… follow the money find the truth!!!
Oh Jeeze, give it a rest will you?
@HAVOK I’LL GIVE IT A REST WHEN YOU EXTRACT YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR STINKY BROWN ORIFICE!
An every single crooked dirty politician is run out of WASH DC and the zionist nwo cia puppet prez from kenya is siting in a Federal Prison jail cell at Fort Levenworth Kansas for murder fraud bribery and traitorous acts against the U.S. CONSTITUTION and the Free American People!!!
If I’m not mistaken, Israel has had nukes for 50 years, yet how many countries have they used it on? How many friendly nations does Israel have bordering it and do you think they might have nukes simply for self-defense?
As I remember, it was the friendly Palestinians that were dancing in the streets prior to the MSM cutting the news feeds when the planes struck the towers.
Many radioactive sensors have small sources so I would make sure you have your facts before stating a theory. I’m sure the US Govt has checked the radioactivity levels through the use of TLDs and the like.
Nina O is a Federal agent provocateur, hoping to stimulate someone on this site to an illegal action. Serious replies are useless.
I must’ve missed the part in that post where NinaO incited violence or anything else that was illegal, Old Coach.
It seems to me that YOU are the person trying to get a reaction.
I thought they got help from France.
http://www.gao.gov/htext/d08285t.html GAO document confirming the hot spots in congressional testimony. find. 16-17 paragraphs down. Cost us tax payers $800,000.
@everyone-gao.gov/htext/d08285t.html My link will clear shortly. Go 16-17 paragraphs down. The hot spots over N.Y. are on the congressional record. Cost us tax payers $800,000. Perhaps some people should start researching instead of just putting your heads in the sand and shouting people down because you do not like his delivery! Google is wasted now, it sends you to the wrong GAO report if you search this and other subjects. @ninao- like I told you last thread(go read it if you have’nt), my homework is fine. Start leaving links to the ORIGINAL documents, those will help people in their information journey more then just telling them.
;0) “Roger That” @kevin. thank you for the knowledge assists!!! your very appreciated!!!
@ninao- If you shine the spot light in the deers eyes,it freezes and is terrorfied. If you drop the frog into boiling water, it jumps out. I agree with Ron Paul 90% of the time, that means we are on the same team. Hope you pick up what I am laying down. Peace brother!
Perhaps a test run on DC is in order…:)
Don’t be mean…..Westminster first lol
…I dont know…if DC has survived polosi,reid,waxman,barry and all the rest of the mouths spewing hot air then whats a nuke gonna do… 🙂
… this is a false-flag prep piece, saw it last week, if dc gets hit it’ll be in a black neighborhood away from the dc mall area on the downwind side of the capital buildings , the mall tourist sites and white house… i’d be more worried of chicago getting hit or los angelos or new york city again!
america is due for another FALSE-FLAG , the NWO is falling behind by years on their global banker imf dictatorship one world government plans! and they need to pick up the pace… THE goyim tax debt slaves FREE AMERICAN PEOPLE and STATES are WAKING UP!!! LEARNING THE TRUTH… GETTING PISSED OFF!!!
PRETTY SOON IT’LL BE TOO LATE FOR THE NWO GLOBAL TAKE OVER!!!
I agree NinaO, we are so long overdue for a false flag event that I am walking on eggshells.
The US fed corp is the biggest rogue terrorist on the block. They have been dropping dirty bombs on the ME since the 90’s
DC gone? The stock market would jump 5000 points. 🙂
No , No , No..we need DC..we just dont need the jokers that are running the show.
Doing something like this wont solve anything, in fact it will create a worse problem for those of us out here in the real world
Reading the constitution and assuming that fed gov actually limited itself only to those powers delegated to it, we really don’t need DC for much. We’d get along just fine without it. It’s the millions in the free sh*t army who would miss it.
What, are you retarded. D.C has NOTHING to do with the United States of AMERICA. Your comment shows that YOU no longer fall “under” the ‘Constitution of the United States of America’!
Run and kneel, kiss and lick the dusty feet of your MASTER!
Not that I want to see any casualties, but I would not miss the globalists in DC who are running this nation into the ground. Supposedly, Denver is the next NWO capitol of the nation. Just what I need, the “new DC” down the street from me.
Oh man, we don’t need to ruin the beautiful state of Colorado!!! Tell them to send their garbage else where!! LOL. On another note, I have seen the bizarre murals in the airport. Very eerie to say the least. Also the large under ground area. A lot of rumors about the airport that is for sure, interesting though…
Just more fear mongering aka early 50’s..
In the event of an attack..
duck and cover under your desk!
Build a bomb shelter…
More disinfo from the rogue govt..
another attempt of official scenarios “leaked?” to the ignorant masses to continue the fear game..
time to move on..
There was a gov broshure in the 50’s that showed 2 homes. The better maintained home survived the nuclear blast. It even suggested keeping your fence painted. EVERYONE get out in your yard and stat painting your picket fences NOW …..unreal what “THEY” tell peole to do to protect their families. I am glad I know that high gloss paint ain’t gonna be worth a lick when HSTF. God be with us all if a nuke goes off….I do not understand prevailing winds,the math behind how many and what size bombs = how much radiation. I am thinking if it all goes to heck in a hand basket I sure am not equipt to live in an underground shelter for ANY legnth of time. I guess not too many of us are really ready for that unless you have alot oof money for underground bunkers etc. or been planning for a long time. Those of little means and late in the game have not a chance, that is scary because my children, my lil one ..had her whole life ahead of her and I am feeling like a failure as a parent because I can only do so much. It make me cry to think of her future being so bleak, I want so much for my kids and can not protect them from this monster, and know one has an answer, how do we take back our liberty, voting people out is not a solution becasue they are replace be another line of silver spoon bred corrupt money grubbing anti american greddy nogoodnicks. What are we to do?
Want some cheese with that whine?
Billary no thanx I am in much better spirits sorry I just needed to vent and be the Queen of my own lil pity part.It does not happen much for a gal I pretty much pull myself up by ny bootstraps and get over it, had a bad night last night, sorry for the boo hooin. I usually am focued and driven but just felt frustrated last night
The stage has been set.
If that was to happen I think the EPA would just raise the safe level of radiation someones allowed to be exposed to. Bald the new hair style for 2012.
There were sections of the report that seemed to indicated there would be a downside to people outside of DC if this were to happen.
The advantages of the loss of the 536 useless eaters and their minions could not be overstated, however, the loss of infrastructure would be devastating. There are, after all, some very nice park benches and buildings that I would hate to see destroyed.
The bad thing is there are also real people there. No, I mean real people that do real things besides steal your money and your liberty. I’d hate to see us lose them.
Bible says you can’t pull up the tares because you’ll pull up the wheat too. Bummer.
Just a silly report. The chaos that would be unleashed would destroy the city if the blast didn’t.
“Government Study Claims Nuclear Blast In Washington DC Wouldn’t Destroy City”
NY is the city in danger, the world is starting to demand their gold back. Look at all the finacial records that were conveniently in building 7(you know the building rumsfeld said “whats that” when asked about. Look at all of the accountants that died at the pentagon,some being re-assigned that morning(while CA gov. officials were warned not to fly).
http://www.dailypaul.com/158077/rumsfeld-tells-mancow-yesterday-that-he-never-heard-of-building-7-falling-on-9-11 Rumsfeld never heard of building 7
Well, they are wrong again. In a nuclear war all the warheads will be launched. The government parasites will last a few years down in their holes and then the leaks will begin. Don’t worry, there are at least 500 million inhabitable planets in our galaxy!
I would suggest the natural way of the Universe. Just don’t feed the scum across the whole world.
http://makethemaccountable.com/whatwhen/Q01_WhySomeWarned.htm “why were people warned not to fly……” Many links to source articles from SF chronicle to abc
do they know something we don’t?
And the potential victims will be the usual sheep again?
And by a strange coincidence all the officials will be out of town?
Here is the link to a nuclear effect map generator that is adjustable by the size of the bomb.
they all scurried (like the rats they are) when that earthquake hit close to D.C. last year..
We are but “acceptable” collateral damage to them,,,always
be it financially or otherwise..
I always had this question.
If they manage to extinguish all of us the little and useless worms, who the hell are they going to supress then?
Possibly some little green beings from Mars, i pressume 🙂
Have a good day.
yeah not to mention who’s going to support them?
if they kill us off, they will die soon after
Would it be possible to arrange it the other way around? Far preferable I think
That came out all wrong lol…long shift today.
It won’t be terrorists that nuke Washington DC. It will be Iran if they’re allowed to develop nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad has said that the 12th imam can’t return unless the US and Israel are destroyed. He doesn’t care about the consequences. We absolutely, positively will see at least one American city nuked if Iran gets nuclear weapons. They don’t need ICBMs to do that. They could be attached to missiles fired from submarines or surface ships.
open your eyes… first iran is under the control of the globalists already… the british FREEMASONS actually control irans mullah – supreme leader… he is a european FREEMASON himself… second if there is a attack upon ameriKa it’ll be the same people doing it as in the past… the zionist nwo globalist controlled NSA/ CIA/ FBI and zionist israeli jew mossad!!!
you all need to wake the frack up!!! and realize ameriKa has been sold out by the ameriKan freemasons… ameriKa is the bwiatch of britain royalty, bank of england, family rothchilds and zionist israeli jews!!!
the american two party system is a lie a scam a big joke… get it? they ALL serve the same masters… you’ve all been sold out generations ago!!!
the people you call politicians are nothing but controlled bribed traitor puppets to the NWO GLOBALISTS!!!
wake up and smell the VERY REAL globalist FASCISM!!!
they are killing all those who fight the globalists…
just ask sonny bono, kevin mcdonald, jfk, bobby kennedy, john kennedy, martin luther king, malcolm x, john lennon etc etc
sigh… can none of you see this???
well soon IT’S GONNA BE RIGHT IN ALL YOUR FACES!!!
BLACK JACK BOOTED U.N. SECURITY SOLDIERS on every corner watching ENSLAVING you!!!
maybe then you’ll see i speak the truth…
Exactly where do you get your information from? English Freemasons? Really?? From all your posts, I get the impression that you sit infront of a computer with 3 monitors each filled with NWO and speculative conspiracy gander. Seems to me like you subconsciously WANT the US to collapse for some unknown reason.
Maybe you should get out more, enjoy God’s creation, and live life each day without anxiety. You only get one.
Barn Cat is spouting pure and unadulterated Zionist propaganda in the best FAUX-News / NYT tradition, which was demonstrated during the Iraq war buildup in 2003. Are there any idiots out there who actually still believe these proven LIARS despite their proven record of DECEIT? Actually, yes there are, which bespeaks only the vast numbers of abjectly STUPID and truly EVIL beings within the Amerikan populace.
No, Barn Cat, we should not worry about Iranian Muslims who MAY acquire a VERY LIMITED nuclear weapons capability at a LATER DATE, but rather, fanatical race-cultist EXPANSIONIST Zionist Jews who possess such a capability NOW.
Don’t take my word for it. Listen to Martin Levi van Creveld (b. 1946), the renowned Israeli military historian and theorist:
‘We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.’
[Quoted in The Observer Guardian, The War Game, a controversial view of the current crisis in the Middle East, 21 September 2003; the original interview appeared in the Dutch weekly magazine: Elsevier, 2002, no. 17, p. 52-53 (April 27th, 2002).]
And before you go off with the predictable cry of “Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map” (as if that were something that impoverished heartland AMERIKANS must DIE to PREVENT), here is an article with an INTERLINEAR Farsi-English translation of Ahmadinejad’s supposed “threat” remarks against the Zionist entity — a “threat” that was NEVER made, except in the officers of the Zionist-controlled “western” media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MurF5Wuh_BA Man my foot is starting to hurt.
I wonder why they are scared? Recently Congress passed a bill to beef up security around D.C. that would cost 7.6 million. Reading comments that are not only posted here as well as other sites, I know “who” they are scared of. Hince all the unconstitutional laws they have passed lately. I would think there would be nothing to fear if “they” were not doing any thing wrong.
they are scared because they have been pushing around other nations for so long the tollerance is at an altime low..you cant keep poking a bear and expect it to stay in its cave to take more poking
our US government has been poking so many bears and hornets nets around the world..and the people and governments of those nations and countries have had enough..
They fear the retaliation that is coming to them for their actions in other counties.
It’s sad to say but the best thing a terrorist could do for his cause is to leave the scumbag politicians in D.C. alone and watch them continue to destroy our country from within. With leaders like Nancy P., Harry R., and Barry in the W.H. it won’t be long now. We’re already under attack.
… FOLKS MIGHT WANNA TAKE NOTICE: the aircraft carrier uss enterprise is currently traversing the suez canal… in less than 72 hours it will be in position off the coast of iran… for operations against the iranians! 3 aircraft carriers all operational within strike distance of iran… Also folks might wanna notice that zionist israel idf soldiers have been denied their annual easter passover leave… first time too happen!
the zionist israeli jews are gonna make a move… either against iran or gaza or both!!!
WWIII 3 might just be getting ready to kick off with a few strategically placed nukes by the zionist israeli’s! with their bwiatch ameriKa actin as their clean up crew!!!
AmeriKa … what a BIG ZIONIST FASCIST CIA DICTATORSHIP LIE!!!
HUG AND KISS YOUR CHILDREN AMERICA!!! remind them you love em’…
soon there will be no more innocents in this world… none!
this is all globalist pre planned, a already innocents blood written script marching us all towards global zionism and carbon credit tax debt slavery!
remember if it ain’t written in the u.s. constitution it’s ILLEGAL, EVERY ORDER DICTATED BY THE ILLEGAL NWO U.N. CIA PUPPET PREZ IS ILLEGAL!!! THE U.S. CONGRESS IS ILLEGAL!!! ALL CROOKS!!! BRIBED AND TRAITORS!!! IGNORE ALL ILLEGAL NWO U.N. LAWS!!! FIGHT!!! FIGHT IT!!! YOUR very LIVES freedom DOES DEPEND ON YOU WINNING!!!
RESISTANCE IS YOUR ONLY OPTION!!! or slavery. time to choose!!!
watch for the false flag against the Enterprise……….suppose to be put into moth balls next year….much cheaper to sink her.
another stupid article. great. complete with OKC propaganda/lies.
this has gotten tiresome.
They honestly think they’d be hit by just one?!! I think a well placed EMP is much more likely.
Okay, if there is a false flag do you really think they are all gonna stick around? They will be ‘away’ on business, in other parts of the world if it were to happen. Nothing would change except the people would be even more fearful, we’d hold memorials every year and take 20 years to rebuild anything.
I sure wouldnt mind seeing the ALBERT PIKE Statue go!!!!!
The radiation within miles of ground zero minutes after a nuclear explosion is strong enough to assure your death if you do not take cover. One hour or less of exposure will cause certain death within days. After a few hours the wind will distribute this radiation downwind such that you could be 50 miles or more from ground zero and a few hours without sufficient cover will result in your death. This radiation will dramatically reduce in strength over time but even days to weeks later being exposed for 8 hours will be a death sentence. After about 7 weeks the amount of radiation has decreased to the point where you could go outside for a hour or two each day with no immediate harm. So the question becomes do you have a fallout shelter and sufficient food and water to stay inside that shelter for 7 weeks?
Well shit yea I do. Its not so much the radiation that worries me it’s the glowing welfare folks I’d like to retreat from!
Depends on the weapons yeild, no? A suitcase bomb of 1Kt or less or a dirty bomb with a few pounds of isotopes or something won’t do much beyond the immediate vicinty.
Blast won’t even be too bad beyound a few hundred meters, especially for the dirty bomb, which is just conventional explosive set off the scatter radioactivity about.
But 1, 5, 10, Megaton or bigger, well, don’t even bother trying to survive, if not at least 20 miles away from detonation, and if you can get out of the State fast wnought, fallout will catch up with you, depending on the direction and velocity of the wind. You wont need fake tan, in any case.
Obviously they are planning another attack on their own people like 9/11 to blame it on Al Qaida and attack a new country. Bastards!
The assumed effects in this study assume a 10KT ground burst explosion that is smaller in yield than 12 to 18 KT yield (uranium bomb) at Hiroshima or the 18 to 23 KT yield (plutonium bomb) at Nagasaki. There is no guarantee that the actual yield of a terrorist device would be that low. Current weapons fielded by multiple nuclear powers tend to be in the 100-500 KT range, with some designed for variable dial a yield capability to set the yield and others exceeding 1000KT (1 MT). Nuclear weapons effects were deliberately publicized to be much greater than in reality AND much of the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki came from the firestorms when the mostly wooden structures that were crowded so close together caught fire in the hours after the detonation. Damage radiuses for a ground burst in a modern city with large numbers of 8 to 10+ story concrete and steel buildings (e.g. like DC) will be much smaller but the fallout effects will be much greater than the airbursts at Hiroshima and Nagasaki for devices with the same yields.
Well, SOMEBODY has the smarts to look at it rationally. Thanks Dr. Richard.
well if one of these did go off you can bet that its probably going to happen in a real big city where there is mass people, so as long as you dont live in DC NYC or any other major area I think you dont have to worry to much about it. Another think use common sense I know this is off topic but some of these people on these prepper shows are spending way too much money, keep it simple and be smart about what you are doing. I think that is the best thing you can do.
Like Prepared Pastor says it all depends on the size of a nuke going off. Like GoneWithTheWind says the radiation would cook your insides within 50 miles or so downwind unless you can put a lot of mass between you and the outside as possible. The rule of 7 though reduces radiation by 10 times. After 7 hours the RAD count is 1/10, then after 7×7 =49 hours the radiation is down by 1/10×1/10 or 1/100. After 2 weeks the radiation is down to 1/1000. The longer the time and the more mass you can shield yourself with the better your chance of survival.
Now, could a terrorist get a nuke? Of course they could. There is so much nuclear fuel from the ex-USSR floating around out there that the governments don’t dare discuss with the public. If not this, then one word, Pakistan. I think North Korea would avoid selling anything for fear of its signature being traced back to their country. It just is not that difficult to assemble a nuke if a terrorist can get the fuel.
10 kilotons they “say” is the maximum size. Wrong. Developing a hydrogen bomb is a big step, it can be done though with the right fuel. Fission bombs are surprisly not restricted to the size of the two nukes dropped on Japan. You can with enough fuel make a fission “Atomic Bomb” that could rival the size of a hydrogen bomb. Probably if a terrorist had this much nuclear bomb fuel they would build more nukes and hit different targets rather than waste it all on a big bomb on one target. Terrorists are nuts though, so who knows.
Talking about the situations in the world I would be real worried about this so called summit coming up on April 13 about Iran’s nuclear program. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9170753/Iran-says-date-set-for-nuclear-talks-with-world-powers.html April 13 is Good Friday, and Passover ends the next day. Israel is going to wait to attack Iran when the sky is the darkest it can be, risk their pilots as little as possible. The new moon is April 21. The window for a dark enough sky is about 5 days before and after a new moon. Window for Israeli attack is April 16-26.
Israel would like to wait until after the holiday and until after another failed meeting so it can justify its attack on Iran. The first opening to try to protect their pilots just happens 3 days after this scheduled nuclear summit and 2 days after its very impotant holiday season ends. Coincidence? Maybe, probably no.
I personally am much more worried about a biological attack than a nuclear attack. Bio-weapons are awful because as long as they have a host they have the fuel to just keep going and going. A nuke uses up its fuel in a few seconds at best and other than fallout it is over. The thought of some God awful terrorist spreading some antibiotic immune anthrax spores over a major city is beyond terrible thought. Those f’en little spores could spread over hundreds of miles given the wrong wind currents. It only takes anthrax on less than the head of a pin to kill someone.
Another nightmare bio-weapon that should scare everyone are some of these viruses like Marburg and Lassa Fever. I remember watching some movie a couple months before 9/11 in which some terrorists were spreading Marburg over major cities and this one spreading it at some baseball game. They never showed that movie ever again to my knowledge. The movie was too accurate and too horrifying. USSR did extremely detailed study and weaponizing Marburg because it did not decay like Ebola did in oxygen, the air. Marburg is a cousin to Ebola, a filo-virus that literally melts your insides apart. Marburg has a fatality rate of 75-85% and Ebola it is about 90%.
The thought of a mushroom cloud(s) is something that brings most of us into the cold war and is very frightening, yet it is somewhat isolated. Biological weapons though could spread and kill tens of millions and unlike the mushroom cloud and mostly visible fallout, the germ is something you don’t see and don’t feel until it infects you. Biological weapons are far easier to manufacture and store, the poor man’s nuclear bomb. Bio-weapons scare me a lot more so than the most powerful nuke.
Great post be informed…but smallpox is my fear, long incubation time so a good chance of spreading Round the globe before detection. As an eradicated disease, with nobody anywhere receiving vaccination against it we would drop like flies. No weapons needed, just one bio- terrorist walking around, using public transport, even a flight with its recirculated air and the job is done.
@ Burt the Brit. Ever heard of India-1 smallpox. This was a strain that had an incubation period of 1-5 days rather than the 10-14 days. This was a nice little bio-weapon designed by the wonderful USSR during the 60’s and 70’s and put into ICBM’s. You can read more about this in the book “Biohazard”, by Ken Alibek. The Soviets also were trying to cross smallpox with Ebola and Marburg and other various nightmare viruses.
I have read that it takes a few hundred individual viral particles from smallpox to make you sick, but from the horrid Lassa Fever it has been assumed that as little as 3 individual viral particles and someone can catch it. Lassa Fever is probably the most contagious germ on the planet. It comes from rodent droppings and has a very high fatality rate in the 70-90% range all depending on the strain. You can read some horrifying tales of Lassa Fever and others in the book “The Coming Plague”, by Laurie Garrett.
You are so, so correct that it just takes someone walking around that is sick to infect so many. Nuclear weapons are not actually the sum of all fears for me, it is germs that just keep infecting until there are no more hosts left.
Many people will recommend N-95 protective masks, but in more concentrated areas of a pathogen this is just not enough to protect someone. 5% of a germ getting through is often enough to nail someone, especially with a highly contagious germ like Lassa Fever. IF there is ever a plague that breaks out, someone should consider only going out in the public with a N-100 mask and then wash themselves off and everything they bring back into their house with them throughly. Every last grocery item, everything. Like surviving a nuclear holocaust, people can survive some pestilence, some deadly virus or deadly bacteria like an antibiotic immune pneumonic plague.
You know what is so frightening is that there is probably a much greater chance of a terrorist attack using some bio-weapon and succeeding.
The trouble with this thing is, that it would be a ground burst. As far as I learned it (any other ex-servicemen please correct me), air bursts do make more heat and blast damage and and ground bursts don`t damage so much, but radiation is much higher.
Anyhow, if one of these bombs go off and even hit only parts of a major western city there will be large a public outcry. I would bet that a majority of urban citizens would demand the cancellation of most civil rights to trade liberty against security. For anyone not happy with a democratic system this would be the opportunity.
In case it should ever happen, how sour it sound, people have to call for investigation and not retaliation.
Many years ago I had read that cockroaches were expected to survive a nuclear blast. Not surprising at all that DC would survive. Heck, I expect that the occupants of the White House, Senate, and House would be unscathed.
I’d first addressed the survivability of a 10kt nuke in DC
in a WorldNetDaily article in 2006, updated in 2011 here…
The Good News About Nuclear Destruction!
What possible ‘good news’ could there ever be about nuclear destruction coming to America, whether it is Dirty Bombs, Terrorist Nukes, or ICBM’s from afar?
In a word, they are all survivable for the vast majority of American families, IF they know what to do beforehand and have made even the most modest of preparations.
Tragically, though, most Americans today won’t give much credence to this good news, much less seek out such vital life-saving instruction, as they have been jaded by our culture’s pervasive myths of nuclear un-survivability.
Most people think that if nukes go off then everybody is going to die, or it’ll be so bad they’ll wish they had. That’s why you hear such absurd comments as; “If it happens, I hope I’m at ground zero and go quickly.”
This defeatist attitude was born as the disarmament movement ridiculed any competing alternatives to their ban-the-bomb agenda, like Civil Defense. The activists wanted all to think there was no surviving a nuke, banning them all was your only hope. The sound Civil Defense strategies of the 50-60’s have been derided as being largely ineffective, or at worst a cruel joke. With the supposed end of the Cold War in the 80’s, most Americans saw neither a need to prepare, nor believed that preparation would do any good. Today, with growing prospects of nuclear terrorism, and nuclear saber rattling from rogue nations, we see emerging among the public either paralyzing fear or irrational denial. People can’t even begin to envision effective preparations for ever surviving a nuclear attack. They think it totally futile, bordering on lunacy, to even try.
Ironically, these disarmament activists, regardless their noble intent, have rendered millions of Americans even more vulnerable to perishing from nukes in the future.
The biggest surprise for most Americans, from the first flash of a nuke being unleashed, is that they will still be here, though ill-equipped to survive for long, if they don’t know what to do beforehand from that first second of the flash onward.
Most could easily survive the initial blasts because they won’t be close enough to any “ground zero”, and that is very good news. Unfortunately, though, few people will be prepared to next survive the later coming radioactive fallout which could eventually kill many times more than the blast. However, there is still more good news possible, as well over 90% of those potential casualties from fallout can be avoided, IF the public was pre-trained through an aggressive national Civil Defense educational program. Simple measures taken immediately after a nuclear blast, by a pre-trained public, can prevent agonizing death and injury from radiation exposure.
The National Planning Scenario #1, an originally confidential internal 2004 study by the Department of Homeland Security, demonstrated the above survival odds when they examined the effects of a terrorist nuke going off in Washington, D.C.. They discovered that a 10 kiloton nuke, about 2/3rds the size of the Hiroshima bomb, detonated at ground level, would result in about 15,000 immediate deaths, and another 15,000 casualties from the blast, thermal flash and initial radiation release. As horrific as that is, the surprising revelation here is that over 99% of the residents in the DC area will have just witnessed and survived their first nuclear explosion. Clearly, the good news is most people will survive the initial blast.
However, that study also soberly determined that as many as another 250,000 people could soon be at risk from lethal doses of radiation from the fallout drifting downwind towards them after the blast. (Another study, released in August 2006 by the Rand Corporation, looked at a terrorist 10 kiloton nuke arriving in a cargo container and being exploded in the Port of Long Beach, California. Over 150,000 people were estimated to be at risk downwind from fallout, again many more than from the initial blast itself.)
The good news, that these much larger casualty numbers from radioactive fallout are largely avoidable, only applies to those pre-trained beforehand by a Civil Defense program in what to do before it arrives.
Today, lacking any meaningful Civil Defense program, millions of American families continue to be at risk and could perish needlessly for lack of essential knowledge that used to be taught at the grade school level.
The public, and especially our children, urgently need to be instructed in Civil Defense basics again. Like how most can save themselves by employing the old ‘Duck & Cover’ tactic, rather than just impulsively rushing to the nearest window to see what that ‘big flash’ was across town just-in-time to be shredded by the glass imploding inwards from the delayed blast wave. Even in the open, just laying flat, reduces by eight-fold the chances of being hit by debris from that brief, three second, tornado strength blast that, like lightning & thunder, could be delayed arriving anywhere from a fraction of a second to 20 seconds or more after that initial flash.
They need to also know if in the path far downwind of fallout coming, that evacuating perpendicular to that downwind drift of the fallout would be their best strategy. They must also be taught, if they can’t evacuate in time, how to shelter-in-place while the radioactive fallout loses 90% of it’s lethal intensity in the first seven hours and 99% of it in two days. For those requiring sheltering from fallout, the majority would only need two or three days of full-time hunkering down, not weeks on end, before safely joining the evacuation.
This good news is easily grasped by most people, and an effective expedient fallout shelter can be improvised at home, school or work quickly, but only IF the public had been trained beforehand, as was begun in the 50’s & 60’s with our national Civil Defense program.
Unfortunately, our government today is doing little to promote nuclear preparedness and Civil Defense instruction among the general public. Regrettably, most of our politicians, like the public, are still captive to the same illusions that training and preparation of the public are ineffective and futile against a nuclear threat.
The past administrations Department of Homeland Security head, Michael Chertoff, demonstrated this attitude in 2005 when he responded to the following question in USA Today;
Q: In the last four years, the most horrific scenario – a nuclear attack – may be the least discussed. If there were to be a nuclear attack tomorrow by terrorists on an American city, how would it be handled?
A: In the area of a nuclear bomb, it’s prevention, prevention, prevention. If a nuclear bomb goes off, you are not going to be able to protect against it. There’s no city strong enough infrastructure-wise to withstand such a hit. No matter how you approach it, there’d be a huge loss of life.
Mr. Chertoff failed to grasp that most of that “huge loss of life” could be avoided if those in the blast zone and downwind knew what to do beforehand. He only acknowledges that the infrastructure will be severely compromised — too few first-responders responding. Civil Defense pre-training of the public is clearly the only hope for those in the blast zone and later in the fallout path. Of course, the government should try and prevent it happening first, but the answer he should have given to that question is; “preparation, preparation, preparation” of the public via training beforehand, for when prevention by the government might fail.
The current Obama administration also fails to grasp that the single greatest force multiplier to reducing potential casualties, and greatly enhancing the effectiveness of first-responders, is a pre-trained public so that there will be far fewer casualties to later deal with. Spending millions to train and equip first-responders is good and necessary, but having millions fewer victims, by having also educated and trained the public beforehand, would be many magnitudes more effective in saving lives.
The federal government needs to launch a national mass media, business supported, and school based effort, superseding our most ambitious public awareness campaigns like for AIDs, drug abuse, drunk driving, anti-smoking, etc. The effort should percolate down to every level of our society. Let’s be clear – we are talking about the potential to save, or lose needlessly, many times more lives than those saved by all these other noble efforts combined!
Instead, Homeland Security continues with a focus primarily on…
#1 – Interdiction – Catching nuclear materials and terrorists beforehand and…
#2 – COG – Continuity of Government and casualty response afterwards for when #1 fails
While the vital key component continues to be largely ignored…
#3 – Continuity of the Public while it’s happening – via proven mass media Civil Defense training beforehand that would make the survival difference then for the vast majority of Americans affected by a nuclear event and on their own from that first initial flash & blast and through that critical first couple days of the highest radiation threat, before government response has arrived in force.
This deadly oversight will persist until those crippling myths of nuclear un-survivability are banished by the good news that a trained and prepared public can, and ultimately has to, save themselves. More training of the public beforehand means less body bags required afterwards, it’s that simple.
The tragic After Action Reports (AAR’s), of an American city nuked today, would glaringly reveal then that the overwhelming majority of victims had perished needlessly for lack of this basic, easy to learn & employ, life-saving knowledge.
Re-launching Civil Defense training is an issue we hope & pray will come to the forefront on the political stage, with both parties vying to outdo each other proposing national Civil Defense public educational programs. We are not asking billions for provisioned public fallout shelters for all, like what already awaits many of our politicians. We are just asking for a comprehensive mass media, business, and school based re-release of the proven practical strategies of Civil Defense instruction, a modernized version of what we used to have here, and that had been embraced by the Chinese, Russians, Swiss, and Israeli’s.
There is no greater, nor more legitimate, primary responsibility of any government than to protect it’s citizens. And, no greater condemnation awaits that government that fails to, risking millions then perishing needlessly. We all need to demand renewed public Civil Defense training and the media needs to spotlight it questioning officials and politicians, until the government corrects this easily avoidable, but fatal vulnerability.
In the meantime, though, don’t wait around for the government to instruct and prepare your own family and community. Educate yourself today and begin establishing your own family nuclear survival preparations by reading the free nuke prep primer…
What To Do If A Nuclear Disaster Is Imminent! at http://www.ki4u.com/guide.htm
Then, pass copies of it, along with this article, to friends, neighbors, relatives, fellow workers, churches and community organizations with a brief note attached saying simply: “We hope/pray we never need this, but just-in-case, keep it handy!” Few nowadays will find that approach alarmist and you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how many are truly grateful.
Everyone should also forward copies of both to their local, state and federal elected representatives, as well as your own communities first-responders and local media, all to help spread this good news that’s liberating American families from their paralyzing and potentially fatal myths of nuclear un-survivability!
I couldn`t agree more. The worst thing would not be to be killed in a nuclear war, but to survive unprepared.
The worst thing, IMO, would be to of been conned that prepping for nukes is futile, thus not being open to ever discovering what could effectively & easily be learned and done to have your family survive, and then powerlessly watching your children suffering needlessly for lack of it.
SHANE CONNOR…. you talk too fucking much.
Unlike you, Louie. You always add such positive and informative content when you comment.
The ban nukes crowd fails to acknolege:
a) the nuclear bell cannot be unrung any more than can firearms be uninvented
b) the idea that nobody would cheat on such a treaty is insane
these same idiots push the middle east peace plan, land for peace, coexistence with muslims and many other stupid ideas. paper peace deals are not even good for wiping your butt.
Of course, survival depends on how well you are prepared beforehand and how much warning you have. If you have prearranged quick access to a fully stocked government-funded blast shelter, you might find the event merely inconvenient.
Now let’s see a study about the effects on people living in apartments and one-family houses with no basement and few supplies, or those out in a rush-hour commute, with no warning but a blinding flash of light.
Whatever they are smoking in Washington DC should be legalized for the rest of us. Those of us who aren’t under the influence know this is purely bovine end product and only serves to highlight the near-total disconnect between the ordinary people and the elites.
it makes me wonder if they’ve ever seen pictures of nagasaki or hiroshima after the bombs…jeez
You aren’t paying attention. The study postulates at ground-level detonation, which puts a lot of debris in the air to return as radioactive fallout, but does NOT do nearly as much damage to structures. Hiroshima/Nagasaki were both AIR BURST bombs, which do much wider heat and blast damage, while producing much less fallout. There is no comparison.
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I’m glad the scenario was located north of the White House. I would hate to think that a little Japanese restaurant out in Silver Hill with the best Teriyaki Steak in the world was toast.
And then there are those great clubs on K Street……..
.. there will be 3 THREE ZIONIST israeli MOSSAD CIA FED FALSE FLAGS soon…
1.) the internet will be shutdown by the al-CIA-duh or anonymous CIA MOSSAD co-intel agents… so BIG BROTHER gestapo CIA NSA FBI spied controlled internet II 2 can take it’s place.
2.) a u.s. navy naval ship in the persian gulf theater of war will be attacked sunk by al-CIA-duh israeli zionist mossad co-intel agents… i.e. keep an eye on the uss enterprise aircraft carrier and 5000 u.s. military soldier slaves on her as the sacrificial lamb to start WW3. just like how the zionist israeli’s attacked and tried to sink the uss liberty to force ameriKa to attack falsely accused blamed setup by the israeli zionist jews – country of egypt!
3.) the us fiat dollar will crash finally (it’s already dead by the way, buy physical silver) the globalists are ready to force the world to a one global currency system… you will loose 40% of your dollars value… pensions 401k etc etc will be seized or discontinued/ cancelled.
bringing about full blown martial law, complete lock down of the internet, international war and a new one world banking currency!
a one world government will arise from the ashes of global destruction and all of you will be it’s RFID CHIPPED carbon credit tax deb slaves!
don’t be a u.n. carbon credit irs tax debt slave sheeple! baa baaaa! zionist IMF banker U.N. globalists EAT sheeple!
wake up … it’s already too late for most of the world…
;0P pZZssst da’ NWO!
Yea…something is about to go down! Well, we all might get to meet one another…when they round us all up! LOL
Well. THAT’s a bummer.
Not that I’d really want to see it happen. Still the idea that something could actually wipe all those maggot cockroach politicians out of office so we could start over IS appealing..
They won’t nuke Washington. The Caliphate will need the infrastructure to control us. Teh Won is putting the final details in place now.
New York, on the other hand. . . And who’d miss it?
Just wish I didn’t have family so close to NYC.
Two words: Reichstag fire.
It would be nice to see if this happening occurs the same day, hour and place when the US President delivers The State of the Nation Address to Congress…
A lot, but a lot of people worlwide will cheer and get
drunk out of pure happiness…