Following the Bodies: “We Are at the Precipice of Something So Big, It Will Shake the Financial World”

by | Feb 15, 2014 | Headline News | 566 comments

Editor’s Note: In the investigative report below, Douglas Hagmann of the Northeast Intelligence Network delves deep into a world that most only believe exists in the realm of cinematic thrillers. It’s one of intrigue, corruption and murder, and it involves some of the world’s most influential firms, business leaders and politicians. There are billions, if not trillions, of dollars on the line. When the nefarious agendas of these sycophants are threatened it’s not much of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that those involved will do whatever is necessary to protect their wealth, power and influence. For them, the only way to deal with the problem is to silence it – permanently.

One can chalk off the recent string of banker suicides to coincidence, but what if there were more to it? What if, for example, 39 year old Vice President of JP Morgan Gabriel Magee, who emailed his girlfriend to tell her he was “leaving the office and would see her shortly,” didn’t actually throw himself off of a 33-story building in what police claim was a “non-suspicious” fatal fall? What if the circumstances surrounding many of the deaths of these bankers and a Wall Street Journal financial reporter were the result of, as one financial insider noted a week before the deaths unfolded, a “clean up” of people who knew too much and posed a threat to the overall agenda? Much of this may be difficult to stomach for some, but considering that the people responsible for collapsing the global economy five years ago not only never faced justice for their crimes, but were rewarded with billion dollar bank deals as a result, is it foolish to suggest that there’s much more going on here than the mainstream media and Justice department officials would have us believe?

It all just seems… a bit too convenient.

Banker-Conspiracy


Exposing what lies beneath the bodies of dead bankers and what lies ahead for us
By Douglas Hagmann

I feel that this is one of the most important investigations I’ve ever done. If my findings are correct, each of us might soon experience a severe, if not crippling blow to our personal finances, the confiscation of any wealth some of us have been able to accumulate over our lifetimes, and the end of the financial world as we once knew it.  The evidence to support my findings exists in the trail of dead bodies of financial executives across the globe and a missing Wall Street Journal Reporter who was working at the Dow Jones news room at the time of his disappearance.

If the bodies were dots on a piece of paper, connecting them results in a sinister picture being drawn that involves global criminal activity in the financial world the likes of which is almost without precedent.  It should serve as a warning that we are at the precipice of something so big, it will shake the financial world as we know it to its core. It seems to illustrate the complicity of big banks and governments, the intelligence community, and the media.

Although the trail of mysterious and bizarre deaths detailed below begin in late January, 2014, there are others. Not only that, there will be more, according to sources within the financial world. Based on my findings, these are not mere random, tragic cases of suicide, but of the methodical silencing of individuals who had the ability to expose financial fraud at the highest levels, and the complicity of certain governmental agencies and individuals who are engaged in the greatest theft of wealth the world has ever seen.

It is often said that life imitates art. In the case of the dead financial executives, perhaps death imitates theater, or more specifically, the movie The International, which was coincidentally released in U.S. theaters exactly five years ago today.

We are told by the media that the untimely deaths of these young men and men in their prime are either suicides or tragic accidents. We are told what to believe by the captured and controlled media, regardless of how unusual or unlikely the circumstances, or how implausible the explanation. Such are the hallmarks of high level criminality and the involvement of a certain U.S. intelligence agency intent on keeping the lid on money laundering on a global scale.

Obviously, it is important that this topic is approached with the utmost respect for the families of those who died, that they be allowed to grieve for the loss of their loved ones in private. However, it is extremely important that the truth about what is happening in the global financial arena is not kept from us, as we will also be victims of a different nature.

The missing and the dead: a timeline

The following is provided as a chronological list of those who have gone missing or been found dead under mysterious circumstances. It is important to note that this list consists of names of the most recent incidents. There are more that extend back through 2012 and beyond.

January 11, 2014

MISSING: David Bird, 55, long-time reporter for the Wall Street Journal working at the Dow Jones news room, went for a walk on Saturday, January 11, 2014 near his New Jersey home and disappeared without a trace. Mr. Bird was a reporter of the oil and commodity markets which happened to be under investigation by the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations for price manipulation.

January 26, 2014

DECEASED: Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, was reportedly found dead under undisclosed circumstances.

DECEASED: William Broeksmit, 58, former senior manager for Deutsche Bank, was found hanging in his home from an apparent suicide. It is important to note that Deutsche Bank is under investigation for reportedly hiding $12 billion in losses during the financial crisis and for potentially rigging the foreign exchange markets. The allegations are similar to the claims the institution settled in 2013 over involvement in rigging the Libor interest rates.

January 27, 2014

DECEASED:  Karl Slym, 51, Managing director of Tata Motors was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok. Police said he “could” have committed suicide. He was staying on the 22nd floor with his wife, and was attending a board meeting in the Thai capital.

January 28, 2014

DECEASED:  Gabriel Magee, 39, a JP Morgan employee, died after reportedly “falling” from the roof of its European headquarters in London in the Canary Wharf area. Magee was vice president at JPMorgan Chase & Co’s (JPM) London headquarters.

Gabriel Magee, a Vice President at JPMorgan in London, plunged to his death from the roof of the 33-story European headquarters of JPMorgan in Canary Wharf. Magee was involved in “Technical architecture oversight for planning, development, and operation of systems for fixed income securities and interest rate derivatives” based on his online Linkedin profile.

It’s important to note that JPMorgan, like  Deutsche Bank, is under investigation for its potential involvement in rigging foreign exchange rates. JPMorgan is also reportedly under investigation by the same U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations for its alleged involvement in rigging the physical commodities markets in the U.S. and London.

Regarding the initial reports of his death, journalist Pam Martens of Wall Street on Paradeastutely exposed the controlled, scripted details of the media accounts surrounding Magee’s death in an article written on February 9, 2014. Ms. Martens writes:

“According to numerous sources close to the investigation of Gabriel Magee’s death, almost nothing thus far reported about his death has been accurate. This appears to stem from an initial poorly worded press release issued by the Metropolitan Police in London which may have been a result of bad communications between it and JPMorgan or something more deliberate on someone’s part.” [Emphasis added].

Ms. Martens also notes:

No solid evidence exists currently to suggest that the death was a suicide. In fact, there is a strong piece of evidence pointing in the opposite direction. Magee had emailed his girlfriend, Veronica, on the evening of January 27 to say that he was about to leave the office and would see her shortly. [Emphasis added].

Based on information she developed, it appears likely that Magee did not meet his fate on the morning his body was discovered, but hours earlier. Considering the possibility that Magee might now have died in the manner publicized, Ms. Martens offers speculation, and notes it as such:

If Magee became aware that incriminating emails, instant messages, or video teleconferences were not turned over in their entirety to Senate investigators or Justice Department prosecutors, that might be reason enough for his untimely death.

Looking at the death of Magee in the context of a larger conspiracy, it is difficult not to suspect foul play and media manipulation.

January 29, 2014

DECEASED: Mike Dueker, 50, who had worked for Russell Investment for five years, was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State. Dueker was reported missing on January 29, 2014. Police stated that he “could have” jumped over a fence and fallen 15 meters to his death, and are treating the case as a suicide.

Before joining Russell Investments, Dueker was an assistant vice president and research economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis from 1991 to 2008. There he served as an associate editor of the Journal of Business and Economic Statistics and was editor ofMonetary Trends, a monthly publication of the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

In November 2013, the New York Times reported that Russell Investments was one of several investment companies that were under subpoena from New York State regulators investigating potential “pay-to-play” schemes involving New York pension funds.

February 3, 2014

DECEASED: Ryan Henry Crane, 37, was the Executive Director in JPMorgan’s Global Equities Group. Of particular relevance is that Crane oversaw all of the trade platforms and had close working ties with the now deceased Gabriel Magee of JPMorgan’s London desk. The ties between Mr. Crane and Mr. Magee are undeniable and outright troublesome. The cause of death has not yet been determined, pending the results of a toxicology report.

February 6, 2014

DECEASED: Richard Talley, 57, was the founder and CEO of American Title, a company he founded in 2001. Talley and his company were under investigation by state insurance regulators at the time of his death. He was found in the garage of his Colorado home by a family member who called authorities. Talley reportedly died from seven or eight “self-inflicted” wounds from a nail gun fired into his torso and head.

The enormity of the lie

One must look back far enough to understand the enormity of the lie and the criminality of bankers and governments alike. We must understand the legal restraints that were severed during the Clinton years and the congress that changed the rules regarding financial institutions. We must understand that the criminal acts were bold and bipartisan, and were designed to consolidate wealth through the destruction of the middle class. All of this is part of a much larger plan to establish a one world economy by “killing” the U.S. dollar and consequently, eradicating the middle class by a cabal of globalists that existed and continue to exist within all sectors of our government. The results will be crippling to not just the United States, but the entire Western world.

What began decades ago is now becoming more transparent under the Obama regime. Perhaps that’s the transparency Obama promised, for we’ve seen little else in terms of transparency with regard to the man known as Barack Hussein Obama. For those not locked into the captured corporate media, we’re starting to see the truth emerging. The truth is that we’ve been living under a giant Ponzi scheme and we, the American citizens, are the suckers. As illustrated by the list of dead bankers above, however, the power elite need a bit more time before the extent of their criminality is revealed. The need a bit more time to transfer the remaining wealth from middle-class America to their private coffers. Timing is everything, and a magic act only works when all props are in place before the illusion is performed. Only when their timing is right will the slumbering Americans realize the extent of the illusion by which they’ve been entranced, at which time they will be forced into submission to accept a financial reset that will ultimately subjugate them to a global economy. I contend that this is the reason for the recent spate of deaths, for those who met their tragic and untimely end had the ability to expose this nefarious agenda by what they knew or discovered, or what they would reveal under subpoena and the damage they could cause to the globalist financial agenda.

It is an insult to the public intellect that the media so readily pushes the official line that the deaths were all suicides given the unusual circumstances surrounding nearly all of those listed. This itself should be ringing alarm bells with anyone of reasonable sensibilities, or at last those who are paying the slightest bit of attention to the larger picture. The media is either complicit or completely inept. While incompetence is evident in many areas, even the most inept journalist or media company cannot possible deny what exists directly in front of them. They can only withhold the truth.

Connecting the dots

To understand what is taking place, I contacted a financial source who has accurately predicted many events that we are now seeing taking place, including the deaths of certain financial people for an explanation. In fact, he actually predicted that we would see a “clean-up” of individuals who posed a serious threat to certain too-big-to-fail-or-jail banks and “banksters” a full week before the events began to unfold. Truth be told, I initially greeted his prediction with some skepticism, for such things don’t really happen in the real world, or so the obedient and well-managed media tells me.

V, The Guerrilla Economist” as he is known in the alternative media, has provided numerous insider alerts for Steve Quayle‘s website and has appeared as a regular guest on The Hagmann & Hagmann Report. He has an undeniable track record for accuracy, which has earned my respect. However, I thought that he had taken temporary leave of his senses when he twice suggested that there will be some house cleaning done of anyone posing a threat to the agenda of certain banks and the globalist agenda on our broadcasts of November 20, 2013 and again on January 10, 2014. In a separate venue, he described what was about to take place by using the analogy of the movie The International. Several dead bodies and a missing journalist later, that analogy has been proven accurate.

The fact is that we are seeing a clean-up where JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank seems to appear at the epicenter of it all. In January, JPMorgan admitted facilitating the Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme by turning its head to his activities.  Despite this admission, the U.S. Department of Justice under Eric Holder declined to send anyone to jail under a deferred prosecution agreement. Yet this is only the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

In March, 2013, the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations released a heavily redacted 307-page report detailing the financial irregularities surrounding the actions of JPMorgan and the deliberate withholding of critical financial information by JPMorgan. Prominent in the mix are the actions of Bruno Iksil, who earned the nickname the “London Whale,” for his “casino bets” of others money that caused billions of dollars in losses. Yet, no cooperation was provided by Dimon’s foot soldiers as they failed to testify or otherwise cooperate with Senate investigators.

Remember the damage control and the deliberate downplaying by Jamie Dimon, who maintained that there was nothing to see here with regard to the “London Whale” criminal activities? What was originally described as a loss of perhaps $2 billion ultimately turned into many more times that, yet the actual numbers are still hidden from the public. Such events occurred under the noses of numerous financial executives who had knowledge that went undisclosed.

As we fast forward to today and the current spate of mysterious deaths, we begin to see that many of those who died existed on the periphery of events in the criminal actions of the financial industry. Moreover, it is reasonable to conclude that they possessed knowledge that if disclosed, could have interrupted the magic act taking place for the awestruck audience, captivated by the carefully crafted words of Yellen, her predecessors and the operatives within government who’s duty it is to regulate whatever is left of our current financial system.

That regulation is now a thing of the past. What we have today is a system of facilitation and co-operation between the largest corporations and financial institutions and the U.S. and our intelligence agencies. We now have the “too-big-to-fails” operating with impunity as a result of an incestuous, if not outright unconstitutional relationship where the banks are acting as operational assets for the CIA, the NYPD, and other intelligence and police agencies.

The JPMorgan-CIA-NYPD connection

Perhaps one of the best kept secrets, at least from the majority of the American public, is the integration and overlap between the “too-big-to-fail-and-jail” banks and the most advanced system of surveillance in the U.S. Would it surprise you to learn that the very banks that brought the United States to the brink of financial collapse in 2008, who looted the American public and continue to engage in what most perceive as criminal behavior in the financial venue not only have ties to the CIA, but are actually partnered with the CIA and NYPD surveillance of all of lower Manhattan? That’s right, the big banks such as JPMorgan, Citigroup and others have their own desks and surveillance monitors at a facility known as the Lower Manhattan Security Coordination Center, located at 55 Broadway, deep in the center of New York’s financial district.

The big banks—the very banks that have been the focus of fraud and corruption investigations have their own system of cameras, more than 2,000 in number, and operate them in tandem with NYPD surveillance cameras at a center that was funded with taxpayer money. Every square inch of lower Manhattan is under surveillance 24/7, not just by NYPD, but by JP Morgan and other members of the so-called “one percent.” Carefully consider the implications of this pact.

JPMorgan Chase and others have had long and quite intimate ties with the CIA. Today, however, the line between the banks that control our financial present and future and police and intelligence agencies no longer exist. This relationship of mutual benefit permits the CIA to use the financial institutions to “handle the money” for their various global initiatives, while it provides the banks a stable of “professional assistants” to handle their “security,” whether such security issues arise in the U.S., London, or elsewhere. Highly trained and skilled CIA operatives now work within the system of interlocked financial institutions that have been at the epicenter of the most egregious crimes involving the theft from our bank accounts and retirement savings.

Please stop and consider this for a moment. The very banks and their top executives who have not only brought the U.S. to the brink of financial collapse and Martial Law, engaged or facilitated in various criminal actions that resulted in fines (but no jail time) for the perpetrators, are working hand-in-hand with the CIA. Not only that, they are working in tandem with the NYPD at their surveillance centers, watching and videotaping every move made by anyone—including potential whistleblowers within their vast purview. By the way, this is no ordinary surveillance or surveillance cameras. You won’t find these cameras on the shelves of your local spy shop. These cameras can focus on the footnotes of a book you might be reading, or the words written on a piece of paper being held by an unwitting person. They employ facial recognition and other advanced visual and data aggregation capabilities, and the extent of their technological abilities is increasing every day.

Additionally, the data is collected and maintained, and files are created of people and groups who are merely going about their daily lives. Equally important, files are created and maintained of problem children and groups, like the Occupy movement and others who lawfully exercise their constitutional rights to protest the actions of the one-percent. Consider this in the context of the Occupy Wall Street protests. where the protesters were not only under police surveillance, but surveillance by the banks and their corporate officers against whom they were protesting. And it was all done with the approval and assistance of the police, in this case the NYPD, and U.S. intelligence agencies.

Now consider the plight of a whistleblower who wants to expose criminality within the ranks of a too-big-to-fail. The institution who is engaged in purported criminality based on the findings of the whistleblower can observe the whistleblower’s every move. Where they go, who they meet and what they are carrying to such a meeting. They can be tracked to a residence, a business, or even to their psychiatrist’s office, place of ill repute, or the residence of some significant other outside of their marriage, all of which would be invaluable for blackmail.

Perhaps the potential whistleblower is clean and free from anything that might dissuade them from revealing what they know, their case could be turned over to the in-house security of former CIA agents for proper disposition. It makes the movie The Firm look like child’s play by comparison.

This is not some fanciful delusion. There is proof of this that exists. The New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) has documented the increasingly extensive surveillance being conducted in lower Manhattan and throughout the city. They have verified that  not only are our constitutional rights being violated every minute of every day, but the fruits of surveillance by police and corporate entities are shared between the police, the intelligence agencies and private financial institutions, without restraint on the distribution on such findings.

Are you engaged in a protesting against the criminality of the one-percent? Well, they one-percent are watching you, and they are literally seated right next to the police. Are you a journalist following up on possible “bankster” corruption by meeting a potential whistleblower? You better understand that the bankster target of your investigation is watching you, in real-time, with the complete approval and cooperation of the police. As documented by the NYCLU, you are likely now “on file,” and all data compiled is maintained and accessible not just to law enforcement, but to the very target of your investigation—in real time.

Such surveillance and integration between big banks, law enforcement and spy agencies is not just limited to lower Manhattan or even the United States. It is also most prevalent in London and other cities where international banking is conducted.

Real-time surveillance and the close working relationship between the “one-percenters,” police and the intelligence agencies gives the targets of criminal probes the ability to be pro-active when necessary. It’s all being done under the pretext of national security when it would appear that the real objective is to insulate the banksters from potential problems that exposure of their criminal actions might cause.

Oh, and don’t forget that  it is us who are paying for this.

Perhaps we would be well advised to not only consider the capabilities of the surveillance apparatus that exists where the big banks and police are working at adjacent surveillance terminals at 55 Broadway and other locations, but the incestuous working relationship between the banks and the CIA when we read about banker suicides.

Do not expect to see any exclusive report on this in the corporate media, for they, as requested have dutifully maintained their code of silence by not showing pictures of the brass name plates that identify the bankster terminals situated adjacent to the police terminals during photo shoots of this super-secret surveillance complex a few years ago. As detailed by the tenacious and indefatigable Pam Martens, journalist for Wall Street on Parade in this article, the captured media took a pass on revealing the whole truth about what’s really going on at 55 Broadway.

What has been revealed here is merely the tip of the iceberg. The tentacles of the corporate elite, facilitated and empowered by the CIA, the NYPD top brass, and other agencies have now covertly and effectively succeeded in invading everything you do. The fruits of this operation are being used to advance their global financial agenda and silence the opposition.

Knowing this, is it possible that the dead bodies that are increasing in number are the results of this joint surveillance operation? You will not find any answers in the mainstream media. The big banks have chosen to remain silent, even in the face of subpoenas, and have yet to face any legal consequences for their contempt. It’s not, however, merely contempt of congress or pseudo-investigative bodies. It’s their contempt of humanity, of you and me, and the victims that lie dead, leaving their families broken and wanting for the truth.

This article has been reprinted with permission from the Northeast Intelligence Network.

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    566 Comments

    1. JayJay

      TPTB and the media still think we’re stupid.

      • What?

        I have a feeling that it doesn’t matter if we, the populace as a whole, are stupid or not. The MSM will not report the truth anyway. If fifty percent of us raised a fuss, no one would ever know anyway, and most would be led to believe that the fifty percent was more like five.

        • eppe

          There is more to the story above than can be believed, but we all know the truth…. Right?

          IF Obama would ever tell the truth, his address to the American people would have sounded like this :

          “The State of the Union has never been worse. 10 million fewer Americans are working, families are earning less, graduates can’t find jobs & poverty has reached record levels. When I leave office the federal debt will have doubled. Health insurance premiums are skyrocketing and I was untruthful in saying you’d keep your coverage & doctors. My administration was indeed involved in the Fast & Furious, Benghazi , DOJ, IRS & NSA scandals. My “leading from behind” foreign policy has seen the rapid growth of Al Qaeda, Iran is close to the bomb and Russia & China have gained massive geopolitical influence. I’ve ignored the Constitution repeatedly and will continue to do so by executive orders. I’ve pitted men vs. women, rich vs. poor and black vs. white, leaving Americans divided like never before. I blame everyone but myself, including Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, Fox News & Rush Limbaugh. I can do this because the liberal media will never report the truth about my presidency. Thank you and good evening.”

          • OutWest

            Watch out for that broken rung at
            the top of the corporate ladder …..
            OOPS…..!! too late.

            • Risky Whiskey

              I’m just giddy all over that five of these fat-cat sons a bitches are dead by any means…..nice to know that the blue-blooded aristocracy bleeds and dies like the rest of us.

              I hope 50,000 more join them in hell….including a few choice political figures, liberal TV anchors, one sychophantic ex-general with critical zipper control whose name rhymes with “Betray-us”….and a whole bunch of Holly-weird so-called “actors”.

              • Anonymous

                Pol pot started at the top too, working his way down to those lucky enough to have eye glasses. I think its best to have legal trials first.

                • sixpack

                  I made the assertion that the growing surveillance apparatus was not for “the little guy”, it was for everything stated in this well written article—I made my opinion public over 15 years ago. I was laughed at. Apparently, the thought of higher-ups being the REAL targets of the NSA, and the more public surveillance was just a distraction, was more than most people could believe.

                  Who is laughing now?

                • lastmanstanding

                  Well said 6…control who and how they vote at the top and the rest become obsolete.

                  Many here still believe that the right will make it right…no damn chance.

                • Them Guys

                  This article kept reminding me what I learned of the main methods used by the “Inner Circle” or Hidden hand of the top Soviet rulership…That being, it is ironicly similar to how the soviet inner circle every 5 yrs or so did a clean-up, and exterminated many of the up front publicly seen soviet goyim gentiles branch of soviet rulers.

                  I may be wrong, but it seems that every name listed as a death in this article sounds like a gentile name no?

                  With so huge a number, 90+% of top banksters haveing names like silverman-goldberg etc its ironic none of mentioned deaths share similar names eh.

                  Very similar to old russian soviet and inner circle cheka aka kgb operations, to rid soviet inner sanctums of those goyim gentiles who simply learned way too much info and had to be gotten rid of every 5 yrs or so.

                  One things we can be certain of…Is that under zero circumstances will the hidden hand inner top honchos kill off too many of their goyims. To do so will create a vast lack of publicly seen front faces for various msm news tv shows etc, as well as leave only the tribal leaders left to blame for all their evils…

                  Perhaps Darrel Issa will conduct another 3 yrs long, several hundrd million dollar blue ribbon committee “Probe” and investigation process….Then once completed, sweep all that is found under nearest old carpet, which has been the Per-usual Opp’s at the “peoples House” of esteemed public elected officials eh!

                  ATTEN: US Rep Issa, Pay ME $50-Million in Cash to go digging up Bones for said probe and investigations…I will even supply my Own new shovel! I will even change my full name to…Ken Star!

                • Anonymous

                  Except…..we don’t have legal trials anymore. Need proof?

                  Fast and Furious
                  Benghazi
                  IRS scandal

                  We are no longer a nation of law….but a nation of men….who follow the laws that they choose.

                  All we need is rope, utility poles and willing participants.

                • JohnFornaro

                  Good point about Pol Pot, but that particular strategy doesn’t seem to be the case here, in my view. Pol Pot was more about killing anyone in his way; he didn’t really have a clear vision for the political future of his country. He just liked killing people.

                  The pragmatic utility of the surveillance of Manhattan regards the preservation of the personal security of the people running the surveillance network. It is probably designed to give certain people on the inside, advance warning of a deteriorating situation, like riots or something, on the street, so that they can get out of Manhattan, before the fan blades of their helicopters are covered with the typical byproduct.

                  Some of our government employees are attempting to bring the bankers to justice and to reveal the extent of their financial criminality. With the bankers and all, it is certainly plausible that the less trustworthy operatives in their organizations could be being liquidated. The pragmatic utility here would be to make the job of moral governmental law enforcement that much more difficult.

                  Hakuna metata?

                • Anonymous

                  For those who say its impossible to get fair trials…aren’t there already enough innocent being detained? I hate mob mentality. It reminds me of dumb hotheads with low IQ’s.

              • y99

                Sadly those that died may have died because they were possible whistleblowers, once they saw the magnitude of corruption their own morality may have prompted them to ask questions, do the right thing. We of course may never know, this in conjunction with many of our own politicians walking away paints a picture of rats being exterminated while some are just jumping ship.
                The topic at hand is freighting if even half true, if completely true more death will follow and the house of cards will fall in the midst of a true event or a false flag.

                I call October 2014, be ready I am.

                • SterlingSilver

                  Obama and company will continue to rape, pillage, and squander the remaining wealth, and the masses won’t give a shit. They’re professional voters rounded up and trotted to the polls; the trip-lever that releases goodies into the trough with promise of more to come.

                • BJ

                  Oh if I could just be a fictional character in my non-fictional world……….Jason Bourne I’d be. First target of annihilation would be 55 broadway

              • James Donovan

                The banksters who wont play ball will start vanishing of course. This machine that was built, prints money from nothing without any repercussions from the masses.

                In a country of 330 Million, I doubt there are 30 Million of us who knows whats going on and where we are headed.

                All we gotta do is prepare. I’ve told you guys before that I’ve used a prepper/survivalist card game to get people around me on board about prepping without exposing my preparations. The company just came out with Deck#2.

                If anyone is interested here is the website:

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                We all know where we are headed folks, all we can do is prepare and warn the people around us. Thanks Mac and Douglas for the article, these deaths cant be just coincidence.

                • sixpack

                  They have already been publicly purging the military of dissenters, who really thought that the financial system wouldn’t be purged as well?

                  They don’t care what we know, we can’t do much about it anyway.

                • WaroftheRoses

                  thank you, James, for the info about the game. It is exactly what our group needed to get out of the doldrums.

              • JayJay

                I wager that all of the clan are taking sponge baths now, hiring cabs or taking buses, not flying anywhere, skipping walks in the park, staying clear of their pools, cooking all their meals, letting someone else answer the door, and staying clear of windows.

                • lonelonmum

                  Anyone in the clan who develops a conscience is at risk.

                  The biblical parable about it being easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of heaven springs to mind. To join the one percent is truly to sell your soul, just as in the lower class mafia, any dissenters are ruthlessly weeded out. To be born into this class is not to be privileged, but to be cursed.

                  Many Brits feel Princess Diana fell foul of this code, as did Dr David Kelly. It is not just financial one percenters that dissent that are removed, politicians, scientists and anyone with access to real knowledge, influence or power is also at risk.

                  We have to remember that the top echelons are not incompetent or stupid, as they would like the media to portray but deadly, intelligent and psychopathic control freaks. Ruthless does not begin to describe the lengths the hidden hand will go to, in order to remain in charge.

                  This is why I actually think the best route forward for the common man is simply to opt out of the control system that has been created. To purchase from small local business, to be as self-sufficient as our circumstances allow, to switch off the TV. A game can only continue if both teams remain on the pitch in play. If we, the mass of humanity simply walk away the parasites are left with nothing to feed on.

                • JohnFornaro

                  Lonelonmum: “Anyone in the clan who develops a conscience is at risk.”

                  Bingo.

                  The exact analogy is the gang ritual where a new member is supposed to demonstrate loyalty by killing someone, sometimes someone with no gang affiliations and no reason to kill.

                  The people at the top are neither ignorant nor willingly incompetent. To the extent that morality exists in that group, our country is safe. It gets less and less credible to see “those” people as being moral, however.

                • TIMBERHALK

                  LONE: U HIT A HOME RUN WITH YOUR COMMENT! I SAID MANY YEARS AGO,U WANNA STOP THEM!! THEN DONT BUY A DAM THING FROM THEM. “STOP PAYIN BILLS” STOP PAYIN TAX’ES STOP PAYIN CREDIT CARDS, MORTGAGES, THEY ARE DONE IN A WEEK! THEN START BRADDING ROPES, AND TAKE THEM ROPES TO WASHINGTON, AND TAKE EVERYONE THAT VOTED TO STEAL FROM THE POOR AND GIVE TO THE RICH! TAKE THEM TO GALLOWS!!! THERES ENOUGH CHERRY TREES THAT PRESIDENT WASHINGTON PLANTED TO HANG EVERYONE OF THEM FOR TREASON AGANST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!

              • Barn Cat

                You don’t get it. The dead ones are the good guys. That’s why they’re dead. The dead ones aren’t the billionaire crooks.

                • Them Guys

                  I read an article by I think it was, Devvy Kidd at newswithviews site, about Sen ted Cruz’s wife’s job.

                  Seems if that articles facts were accurate, Mrs. T.Cruz is also a Vice Pres at Either J.P Morgan, or Goldman sachs…I am leaning to Goldman sachs bankster bunch was the one shes employed at…Matters not much as Both are primary Top Swindlers orgs or corps eh.

                  I wonder how That job affects His, the sen cruz’s senate votes? so far all the other so called Tea party “Darlings” like Rubio-and that wisconsin guy who was romneys pick for VP last election, Ryan is it? and several others everybody thought was such swell patriots have all proven themselves swindlers, scammers, or just plain typical polititions who care Not for truth, america, or us folks.

                  Has Cruz joined that bunch as yet? Anybody know?

                  I do know one of them tea party senators is pushing Hard to increase Leagle immigrants into usa…Is that Cruz’s gig? I read something on him but cannot now recall what exactly, just recall its Not good if it gets done.

                  One certain issue now proven as fact is that…Both Leftist Occupy movnt, as well as right wing Tea Party orgs have ALL been way too easy to get infiltrated and vastly compromized….Which leaves us reg avg folks and voters types with zero alternatives left to consider doing.

                  By zero alternatives left I am meaning of the legit normal varity such as voting or organizing etc…There “May” be other alternatives still avilable? I shall leave that up to far more intelligent and experienced operators to devulge.

                • Lone Wolf

                  Matthew 19:24 Matthew 19:24 (KJV) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

                • WarriorClass III

                  Ted Cruz wants to more than double the immigration quota, double the general worker visa and increase the skilled worker visa 500%.

                  In his own words, “Secondly, I believe we should expand legal immigration, reduce the barriers, reduce the waiting periods and I’ve introduced two amendments to significantly expand legal immigration, to double the caps on legal immigration from 675,000 to 1.3 million and to increase temporary high skilled workers by 500%.” – U. S. Senator Ted Cruz

                  More here:

                  http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/07/ted-cruz-declares-war-on-america.html

                  Bottom line: We’re on our own.

              • Dave

                You missed the whole point. They only murder those who oppose them. Dope.

              • durango kidd

                The NWO can be eliminated overnight and at 500 yards. 100 million American gun owners hold the future of this nation in their hands. We are all Seal Team America.

                Death to Traitors!!! 🙂

              • Notborn Yesterday

                Risky, you seem to have missed the whole point. You are rejoicing at the death of the potential defectors – those who may have overloaded their own consciences and blown the whole thing wide open.

              • bret191

                Thats the SAME way of thinking as the (blue-blooded aristocracy,political figures, liberal TV anchors Holly-weird so-called “actors”)your words! And you think your better? YOUR THE SAME AS THEM! Hate and the need to break the law and then convict all with out a trial.. Yup, your the same.

            • Anonymous

              The Lego movie is awesome! The villain is basically obama and the hero’s are people who can think for themselves.

          • 1braveheart

            Eppe, that kind of speech is wishful thinking. all of these people have been “Vince Fostered”. Just keep prepping. I don’t like the way things are shaping up.

          • JayJay

            And, yes, I was behind the murder of the 3 gay lovers of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

            • JayJay

              For Eppe to add.

            • JayJay

              This was for Eppe to add.

              • Calgacus

                Glad you said that JayJay. I was starting to think you had a double life somehow.

            • Norse Prepper

              LOL… you weren’t behind that Jay Jay?

              Had a chuckle when you clarified… I read it as you were the one behind it.

              God Bless and thanks for the laugh,
              NP

          • Calgacus

            eppe, you left out that juicy email that Snowden captured where Obama wrote, “We can do what we want, we are al Quaeda.”

          • snake eater

            Hey you didn’t blame anything on the Demo`s or was that suppost to be homos

            snake

          • steve

            Best comment ever.

          • Hitemharder

            What we need is an opposition candidate willing to believe and say these same words in a national forum in front of the U.S. Population. That sadly, will not happen.

          • RedPill

            How about adding the following:

            “How did this happen? Well, as whistleblower Russel Tice has explained, the NSA was tapping all of my communications and they discovered that my birth certificate is a fraud. The choice was suicide or do their bidding and become a millionaire. I chose the latter. We have weekly meetings where they tell me what to do. I am a puppet for the MSIC, Banking and Transnational interests. Remove me and I will be replaced by another puppet. So just get used to it.”

          • louis XIV

            Tyrannical rigimes always feed on their own. Boner et al better stay on their toes. Too bad the banksters won’t go far enough.

            What do you call 1000 lawyers dumped into the ocean wearing concrete galoshes?
            A good start.

          • Ray

            Close , but change Liberal Media to Jewish controlled Media !

          • Joey-Z

            Had you spoken like this when little bush was in office,obama never would have been elected.

            • bret191

              AMEN!

          • Gary

            A Saturday Night script with vice president in background picking his nose and scratching his you know whats

          • greg

            Best comment I’ve heard since Obama has been in office. You nailed it.

        • Silver Lodge

          My apologies if anyone has already heard of this but I read several “alternative” sources of news and still only heard of this this past week:

          A beat up freighter with a N. Korean flag was caught last year trying to go through the Panama Canal. A five day fight then ensued trying to board the ship and when it finally was, the captain immediately tried to kill himself by slashing his throat, (apparently he lived).

          Under 200,000 bags of sugar, they found ballistic missile equipment, (news sources vary describing it from old and outdated to jet engines in perfect condition.) This occurred six months ago and this is the first I heard of it. They’ve since released those captured on board and Cuba, (that’s where the ship had sailed from) was fined around 700k.

          Here’s one of the links, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23339020 but you can find many varied wordings just by querying “Iranian ship Panama Canal”.

          The attack on the electrical equipment in Monterey County, CA occurred last April and it just became public this week. Took them a month to fix the damage and it is also being called a dry run. A SEAL team trainer was said to have been brought in afterwards and said he was impressed with what was clearly a “professional job”.

          Feels like things are accelerating..

          • louis XIV

            Remember the early days of the Gulf oil spill, when thw Russians were saying the Norks torpedoed the thing?

            • BJ

              breasts shot a torpedo at the oil rig?

        • Shooter

          These are not the droids you’re looking for.

        • Anonymous

          TPTB are so arrogant these days because they assume they control everything: our monetary system, elections, corporations,military, CIA,NSA,DHS and most important the mainstream media which they acquired over the last 100 years.

          But as in previous empires, this arrogance will spell their downfall. Because the one thing they don’t own is the Truth movement and the Patriots who stand by the Constitution. So let them weed out potential whistle blowers. We know what’s happening. See “Popsicle Man” at Amazon to learn the background of these parasites who have plundered our country.

      • eppe

        Hope you all like this one….
        $7.00 SEX

        A DFW area couple, both well into their 80s or 90s, go to a Sex Therapist’s office.

        The doctor asks, ‘What can I do for you?’

        The man says, ‘Will you watch us have sexual intercourse?’

        The doctor raises both eyebrows, but he is so amazed that such an elderly couple is asking for sexual advice that he agrees.

        When the couple finishes, the doctor says, ‘There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the way you have intercourse..’
        He thanks them for coming, he wishes them good luck, he charges them $50 and he says good bye.

        The next week, the same couple returns and asks the sex therapist to watch again. The sex therapist is a bit puzzled, but agrees.

        This happens several weeks in a row. The couple makes an appointment, has intercourse with no problems, pays the doctor, then leave.

        Finally, after 3 months of this routine, the doctor says, ‘I’m sorry, but I have to ask. Just what are you trying to find out?’

        The man says, ‘We’re not trying to find out anything. She’s married; so we can’t go to her house. I’m married; and we can’t go to my house. The Holiday Inn charges $98. The Hilton charges $139. We do it here for $50, and best of all….

        Medicare pays $43 of it.

        • Northern Reb

          EPPE;
          LOL LOL, You did it again. Thanks. Please keep’m come’n
          S,T,S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • 1braveheart

          Eppe, you have done it again. I spit out some water I was having. Man that one is priceless.

          • eppe

            I guess from now on, if anyone reads my diatribe, do NOT be eating or drinking, do not want to be held responsible for any injuries… Lol… I try to keep you guys on your toes, because time IS running short…

            • sixpack

              You’d make a good morale officer, especially if you’ve got good aim…

            • Sgt. Dale

              eppe:
              Hell that’s half the fun! I’m not worried about my toes. I keep blowing pop out my nose. Damn that hurts!
              Thanks for everything.
              Sgt.

              • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

                Sarg sounds like you got the same disease Cuz Braveheart has. Least y’alls nostrils ought to be clean. You ain’t from North Georgia are you. You might be kin folk. We can all share Cuz Bravehearts supplies.

          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

            Cuz you sure do a lot of spitting and shooting stuff through your nose. Hope you get all of that straightened out before you come to your BOL over here in North Georgia.

            • 1braveheart

              Idiot, when I get there, I’m going to kick your dumb ass out.

              • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

                Cuz I Love Ya Man! But I wish you wasn’t so violent, you treat me worse than a Stepcuzzin. Wish you would save all that hate for the Fed’s.

        • Ac

          Great joke

        • dmitry

          eppe,

          it really makes my day!

          thanks.

        • JohnFornaro

          Hey. At least everybody agrees that laughter is the bsst medicine! 160 thumbs up for the $7 sex joke!

      • Ugly

        We are stupid. The Masses believe in Economic Recovery and that banks are safe and that America would never fall. The Masses are clueless of the wars fought today. The Masses don’t even have 1 week supplies, let alone the 6 months I suggest. We The People are 320 million idiots walking around with ‘stupid genes’ located somewhere within the 46 chromosomes….

        • db427

          this is typical over(under)educated crap I ran across, I’m sure this is someone who will be crying about student debt in the near future, when their photoshop degree doesn’t provide them even a key to a job, much less a profession. this isn’t only clueless, this is down right retardation. I’ll be willing to bet, over the last 20 years of so called education, (we) have spent approx. 250k on this dumb piece of an excuse for a person. out of 320 million people, I would guess this is prob. about 70%. this is unreal
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZYaYEyNpuI

          • What?

            What a stupid cow! I’ve got an idea, immediately after he tells me that this video is going on the Internet, I’m going to spend a good ten seconds picking my nose. Un-fu(&ing-believable!

            • Basstard

              Where the hell was she when I was single.

          • sixpack

            What “typical over(under)educated crap I ran across” are you referring to?

            • db427

              @sixpack, check the youtube link above.

          • Mcdave

            Makes my mind want to explode!

          • JohnFornaro

            Checked out the first few seconds of that video. The woman has voluntarily given up her mind, and can no longer reason. Jack Sparrow’s compass is more moral than hers.

        • Calgacus

          Just wait until we have an emp burst that somehow conveniently loses all records of bank records, transactions and private accounts. The NWO where debt is erased and savings disappeared.
          Thats what I figure were in for. A planned swipe of data thats brought to us by the CIA and its banker cohorts. Itll be the biggest international crime in history. It sure beats having to drag this downward collapse on for years.

          • hammerhead

            ten thumbs up CAL .
            I have been thinkin the same thing .
            But first they have to pick a country to blame it on.
            Then start WW3 , just to cover it up and strip Americans of our bill of rights and constitution .

            • Calgacus

              Hey hammerhead glad to see your paying attention and thinking beyond the walls of the box. Thumbs back to you friend.
              Everyone should be asking why theres been so much mediaspeak on EMPS and grid down worries. Plus the movements and chatter in Iran and NKorea. Here in the homeland the chatter is loud. Notice they like to toss a few warnings before they strike. Sometimes they give us a false flag. Cant trust the snakes especially a rattler shaking his tail tip.
              Wouldnt surprise me none if we got ourselves a paid for EMP strike w/ a big kickback to Iran or China. We see how Obama works with Iran not against. Wed never know about a kickback or treaty and there wouldnt be a money trail anywhere online w/ an EMP.
              An EMP would also disappear all of the inconveniant truths the govt and the bankers have in their computers. Think of the profit of the losses.
              Maybe thats some of the intel Snowden hasnt shared yet. Still is puzzling to me that Snowden aint been disappeared yet. They have a use for him still. Anyone else figure Snowdens a govt plant?

              hammerhead would we need a country to blame? The US wont have a WW3 unless we want one. Why go thru the aggrevation to make money off the war and slide more power around if we can do it w/ an EMP strike?
              The govt just has to get a few more bases hardened and theyll be ready to go. They got the supplies and the ammo to go around. Most of the officials claim a real EMP strike will kill 90% in 12 months or less. Thats convenient. Dead people dont need placating and the remainders only need food and basics. They wont be worried about whose to blame.
              Its almost like weve been watching the play and eating our popcorn waiting to see how it all turns out. Might be a while. Be sure to stock up on popcorn and the salt.

              • hammerhead

                CAL , they wouldnt EMP the entire country , it would be one large city . why?
                Because they need the rest to hand over our rights in the name of safety and security.
                You wont see 90% die off because socialism needs serfs .
                Serfs pay taxes and work hard for nothing, stand in line for handouts and love the power and security of a big central government.
                Once the soverienty of the US gets handed to the UN after such an event , all bets are off .

                • Calgacus

                  hammerhead, yeah you pointed these things out correctly for a regional plan Id say. The 90% die off was forecast by those who lay claim to the knowledge of EMPs, not my #s of course. Dr.Peter Vincent Pry has some experience w/ EMPs through the effects of nuclear testing out west. I read his book on kindle called Civil-Military Preparedness For An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe so thats where the #s come from. A big die off would be for a centrally located EMP but if tptb wanted control of just a city or two, sure it could be a smaller detonation w/ less impact. I was gaming the scene for total control and collapse not regional because regional wouldnt destroy all records. Course an EMP over NY would destroy most of the cities on the east coast and it would wipe out the banker records. Gold would be disappeared too. Even though its disappeared already. We dont know that though, not yet.
                  Wouldnt take much to destroy our Constitution via the UN. One treaty would set the stage. We already got Obama hacking away at the Constitution and no one in Congress is stopping him.

                • Them Guys

                  IRAN: Has a New Prez elected reently. So far hes opting for peacefull resolutions etc…Why is that not a good thing for a usa prez to seek peacefull results instead of constant wars in mid east?

                  Last I checked Iran has not invaded or attacked any nations for aprox 300 years now…And the ONLY nations leader I ever see on any tv station almost 24/7/365 screaming for more Wars! and constantly foaming at mouth like a Rabid wild Dog for more WARS!

                  Has always been Israel’s Nuttyyahoo doing that. And his Rabid war mongering state already Has 300 Nukes, plus those 1/2 dozen nuke capable subs courtesy of germanys merkle…She even had germany Pay for at least 75% total sub’s costs…

                  So Now besides that Samson-Threat to send nukes flying to every eu major city unless israel keeps getting All it demands of the world at large…Now with those nuke subs, israel can pose same samson option threats to the Entire world’s nations! Including the usa and canada!

                  I aint no fan of muslims nor irans leadership…But if they really do desire peacefull options, and just desire a return to more normal state status and overall world business etc?…What harm in allowing iran and its new prez to prove thats the real deal?

                  What if mid east moooooslins as enemy #1 no longer maintains its “MOJO” in the public’s eyes?

                  If every tv news/msm switched that boogyman to say, mexico, or brazil perhaps, with all types trumped up charges of this or that and 101 reasons usa citizens need now stop fearing mid east moooslims, and opt for new mexican or brazilian enemys, should we begin carpet bombings at once in those nations too?

                  What if Fox news tv tell’s us all that mexicans got it in for israel and are worlds greatest bunch of jew enemys next?…Send in the troops and carpet bomb back into stone age like last 12 yrs?

                  Iran wars started in past 300 yrs=ZERO

                  Israel started wars in past 65 yrs= More than you can count! Including an attack and attempted sinking of the U.S.S Liberty navel ship! with aprox 35 usa navel men deaths, and 170 More severly wounded!(1967-israel planned to Blame egypt so usa will start major war against them next! Ship refused to sink! LBJ-Covered it up rest is forgoten history eh)

                  But Irans the big problem? Because Hannity and rush says so right, along with that abject clown act, Beck.

                • louis XIV

                  Hasn’t the US military already tested a drone that can do targeted EMP work?

          • sixpack

            They can erase the data all around the world if they want to—the NSA will always have a backup.

            • Calgacus

              Yeah and the government is there to help you too.

              • sixpack

                Using the NSA backup after a data loss, will not protect any of US—it will make sure we have to pay every single cent we owed on paper. They won’t let a data loss keep them from what they’ve got coming…not one single penny of it.

                Just don’t expect the NSA to fork over anything that might help US in any way.

                • Calgacus

                  Thats right. Aint no govt coming to help or protect us pions.
                  NSA is the enemy. Even the left agrees with this, and more so than the typical republican.

              • Them Guys

                SIXPACK: Wasn’t all the banksters info & paper trails already totally destroyed when the pentagon got hit? And also banksters records stashed safely at Building #7, on 22 or 23rd floor where entire floor of buildg #7 was really the secret Bunker to send NY mayor and other big-wigs into for safe keeping incase of a REAL attack…

                Even though that entire floor was a solidified, bomb proofed, attack proofed secure bunker, it seems all it took to demolish all records stashed there by top 1/2 dozen banks cartels, were quickly done away with forever…By a simple small Roof fire that caused that buildg to also fully collapse into its Own footprint, same as a controled demolition Operation by that famous demolition expert family the Wazzoos or Yazzos or whatever there name is.

                so it would seem that most if not every banks records along with every wall street swindlers records has all been wiped out close to a dozen yrs ago…
                ———————————————

                PS: As Per attacks on USA Const..Last few days every tv news, even RT tv news has been speaking Loudly of all the related Orgs, groups, citizen groups, etc that are clamoring big time for a State called const convention to happen ASAP!

                I only could watch a few minits of a couple tv news shows on this issue…But…I did notice that it seems NONE are speaking of the bad side effects nor of the Potential pit falls if a state held convention is made reality.

                These swindlers are Lying that nothing bad can occure as long as congress picks proper delegates, and tells them to Only deal with balanced budget issues period.!

                Thats PURE 100%+ BS!…Once US Congress calls for a con-con, and also Appoints the states delagates, or approves whoever states send, and us congress IS who constitutionally Sets the con con Rules etc…Gee what can possibly go wrong eh?!!!

                Whats hard to believe is that so Many so called Right wing folks like Mark Levin, are so promoting this con con…Whenever we see all sides right and leftist agree so quick for any so called solution to americas woes?

                LOOK OUT FOLKS! Fire Up your Jewdar, radar, seek out hidden zios, and connect dots and follow Money trails!

                Because You are about to get Shafted royally!

                Just…Say..NO! to all calls for any Con-Con! If its allowed to proceed the current usa const WILL be shredded and replaced with that version waiting for such an opertunity at Georgetown Univ where it was pre-written at the cost of over $25 Million so far paid mostly by…Rockefeller Bros Orgs…..Thats Not good at all.

                • louis XIV

                  At a Constitutional convention, everything from WE THE PEOPLE on down is on the table. Most Americans wouldn’t like how a ConCon turned out.

          • snake eater

            Calgacus
            Does that mean any debt that a person has will be wiped out too???and if it doesn’t who in hell will come collect it?????I know ,,,I know just jerking everyone`s chain a little,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

            snake

            • Sgt. Dale

              Snake
              Where have you been?
              wouldn’t it be great to get rid of all our debt?
              I know lets all become Zombies and Leaches. We would make more money just setting around doing nothing but eating and drinking.
              Sgt.

      • hmm

        Technically, most Americans are stupid. They believe everything the media says. They believe Republicans and democrats are different (while they serve the same people). They believe that the bogie men countries are out to get us. They believe he government will take care of them. But many people here are brainwashed too. When it comes to the government, people here don’t believe them. Except in cases, for example, when the government is anti-Muslim, that’s when people, especially people here, bow down and happily believe everything the government says that is against Muslims. But anything else, they don’t believe the government.

        That shows the mentality of people here and generally, in this nation. What is killing this nation is bias, bigotry, and divide and conquer. If everyone, including people here, were smart enough to see that, and instead of mocking everyone who doesn’t think like them, this nation would be better off. There would be a better understanding.

        Consevatives mocking liberals (and the other way around), Republicans blaming all 1.5 billion Muslims for the act of a small group of radicals, democrats labeling conservatives enemies, prepared mocking the unprepared. This all needs to stop. This is what is ruining this nation. You are part of the problem.

        I guarantee you that most people here (who are conservative) never talked a meaningful deep discussion with liberals or Muslims. And the same thing how most liberals never had a meaningful deep discussion with conservatives. There is no excuse. There is this an unnecessary enmity. This is all planned. The is all according to 1 percenter’s current plan.

        Just because you call yourself awake and you comment on shtf, doesn’t mean you are really awake or you are not a sheep. If you fall for any of their bs like total reliance on welfare, obamacare, wars, or “They hate us because of our freedoms” crap, than you are just like any other sheep.

        • db427

          muslims do carry the belief that if you don’t join them, according to the Koran, that they have the right to kill you (infidel) right? why interfuse religion and acceptance into the same paragraph, if they don’t congeal. acceptance of one another is one thing, but to expect the other to do so, with ‘term’ limits is another. to say we are sheep because (we) of our reliance on welfare and …. your talking to the wrong crowd.

          • hmm

            No they don’t believe that they can kill you for that. Or else all Christians in the Middle East would be dead.

            Islam is something big in this nation. The government wants you to think Muslims are those people who want to kill everyone who doesn’t think like them. It’s not like that.

            There are always radicals in every religion. But because you see radicals on TV or the news doing something doesn’t mean that the religion allows it or the people of that religion accept it.

            I went to the Middle East before. They don’t hate Americans. They hate the government. Just like grouping you with the government won’t make sense because you and the government don’t think the same even though they so everything in the name of the American people.

            Same thing with Muslims. Don’t group Muslims and Islam with radicals just because radicals do something unacceptable in the name of Islam.

            That’s what I’m saying. Many here fear and hate Muslims for no reason. Why don’t they go and talk to a Muslim instead of mocking something that they have no knowledge of. Knowledge that is the key.

            Learn, learn, learn. That is what the government doesn’t want you to do.

            • Guero

              Islam, from its establishment by Mohammed is a “political” religion determined to rule the world. There are many examples of this relentless enmity to all other faiths.
              The war being fought by “terrorists” is a war by fundamentalist Muslims against Christianity, Judaism, as well as Hinduism and Buddhism. It can most vividly been seen in the fate of Egypt’s fifteen million Copts. From fear of death, 1.5 million Copts have been forced to flee just this one Muslim nation.

              Islamic high-school textbooks state that killing a Muslim is punishable by death, but if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim he is not subject to capital punishment since the superior cannot be punished for killing the inferior (p. 146). It also states that compensation for manslaughter rates for a woman is half that for a man, but for a Christian or Jew it is one third (p. 187); and that there can be no stewardship (a boss) of a non-Muslim over a Muslim (p. 205).

              The Koran sanctions pillage, looting, ransom, and the rape of captive women as an incentive to join in jihad or “holy war.” The truth is that Islam rose through bloody conquest; it sanctions theft, deceit, lust and murder; it persecutes Christians, Jews, Hindus and other “infidels;” it treats women with cruelty; and it is committed to global conquest by any means necessary. The massacres by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust.

              • hmm

                The same views that you express is the same views portrayed by the mainstream media and people who are determined to launch more wars in the Middle East.

                You can’t translate the Qur’an. You don’t even know Arabic. In Islam, people can’t steal from or rape people. When the Prophet Muhammad took over lands, Muslims left the village people as is. Muslims never looted, raped, pillage, etc. You get your information from biased and anti-Muslim sources.

                You never studied Islam. I have. Muslims waged war and took over lands. So did christianity. You can’t be biased and act like christians never waged war or killed innocent people and looted villages. Did you forget all the Muslims who died in Spain after the christians conquered the land again. What about the crusaders? Don’t forget that. How many people died from that.

                This war, which the United States started, is being fought to try to destroy Islam so the bankers and elites can take over the world and establish their monetary system. You are still falling for the same tricks that produced hatred and got this nation into unnecessary wars.

                In Islam, women cover so only their husbands can look at their bodies. Women are treated with respect. The Qur’an orders Muslim men to treat women with great respect. The Qur’an also says that men and women have equal rights, but a man has more of a responsibility, which is to provide for the woman. You might disagree with this. But don’t say this is cruelty. I disagree in what the radicals do. But the vast majority of Muslims are moderate. In Islam, women are allowed to learn, have jobs, shop, go to school, etc.

                Once again, you are grouping all Muslims with radicals. Second, massacres by Muslims? What massacres. Civil wars are a normal occurrence. But by your definition, you only blame the Muslim side. If anyone dies, you blame the Muslims. That is hypocrisy. What about in Myanmar, where the buddhists are massacring Muslims like chickens.

                What about the millions of Iraqi refugees who fled Iraq? What about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who were killed because of a war lie? Why don’t you mention these?

                Your information is totally biased and wrong. I guarantee that you get your information from someone who is anti-Muslim or from controlled media. You have no knowledge of Islam. The only way to learn about Islam is by talking to a Muslim. If you don’t want to talk to a Muslim. Instead, you get your information from whatever source you get it from as long as it’s anti-Muslim. That is biased and one-sided.

                A non-Muslim boss? Where do you get these things man. I mean seriously. I am a religious Muslim. I worked under a christian. Where do you get this bs information from. It is laughable. Look man, don’t be biased. Get out and learn from an UNBIASED SOURCE. Everything you said is what the elites want you to think. It’s the view of the mainstream media. The fact that you said this make me believe that you made up everything you said.

                On top of that. Page numbers are meaningless. I don’t even know if such a book that says all that even exists. You could have made all that information up.

                • Guero

                  I read and speak Arabic. I have lived in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. I have known and talked with both Sunni and Shiite Muslims. I try hard to censor myself and just put down the facts, with no opinions.

                • Guero

                  I should probably describe myself. I’m a 7th generation Texan. The Bushes ranch that produced all the oil was just below my great-grandfathers farm. They hated us. Guero is my actual nickname. It’s pronounced “weddo” and means “whitey”. I got it when I played soccer in the desert and everyone else noticed I never sunburned or tanned. The last job I had before I retired was as an analyst.

                • JohnFornaro

                  Well, to me, the most important part of the Koran is the Sudra which states: “There is no compulsion in religion.”

          • kynase

            And let’s not forget that we are in year 30ish of the jihad. The extreme Muslim world wants us gone. They are anti-Western world in every way. Just because suicide bombers aren’t active in America right now, doesn’t mean they aren’t here. And it would be naive to think the govt wouldn’t allow certain terrorist events to occur. What better way to accomplish the goal and get the backing of most Americans? I’ll never forget how united the US became right after 911. We were all ready to sign up for the military and kick some Arab ass. The sheep are easily distracted and will follow whichever shephard is willing to step up.

            • hmm

              Why do you believe this stuff that “They want to kill us over here” and “They hate us because of the freedoms”. This is the same bullshit stuff the government said in 2001. Now, you all know that the wars were all lies. But….people still believe this stuff.

              I mean, come on. All this is already proven wrong. Of course Muslims would be angry because Iraq was invaded based on a lie. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed. I mean, Americans were rightly angry about 9/11, where 3,000 Americans died.

              How do you think Iraqis feel about hundreds of thousands of their people dieing for a lie that was made up? Or does it not count just because they are Muslim? People need to wake up. This is the same divide and conquering they are using between democrats and republicans.

              The Muslims do not want to come here to kill us. They are not a threat as long as their countries are not invaded anymore.

              Let me ask you this. The biggest nation with a Muslim population is Indonesia. Indonesia has a population of more than 200 million Muslims. If you say Muslims want to kill us because they hate us for being Americans. Why haven’t we seen an Indonesian suicide bomber come to America to attack us? Why aren’t Americans enemies with Indonesia?

              That’s because there are no enemies there. They is no oil. The government is playing with people’s minds by saying all this stuff about them hating us because of our freedoms. Come on. I thought people here knew better. On top of that, I don’t think an Iraqi ever attacked the United States before, even after their land was invaded.

              • db427

                so what where the ‘crusades’ fought for?

                • louis XIV

                  Do some research. The crusades were launched in response to Muslim aggression. Islam has never been spread by any means other than the sword.

              • Barn Cat

                What are sources for your dramatically different information on Islam? Muslims want to rule the world. They hate us because we refuse to bow our knees to Allah. They also hate us because we support Israel and because America is the biggest producer of porn in the world. Any real Muslim is a jihadist.

                • hmm

                  Who doesn’t want to rule the world? Muslims want to rule the world. The christians want to rule the rule. The atheists want to rule the world. The jews want to rule the world. Who doesn’t want to rule the world. Every nation or religion wants to rule the world.

                  My information is me. I studied Islam. I am a pretty religious Muslim myself. I read the Qur’an. I went to weekly Islamic lessons. In Islam, there is no such thing as legitimate suicide bombings, honor killings, killing of women, men, are children of Islam nor in any other religions whether Jewish or Christian.

                  But you know what. I hate porn. I hate the act itself. You can’t say that billions of people hate a whole nation because some people produce porn and think differently. Arab Muslims think different than Asian, Latin, or Russian Muslims. They all have different culture. I can’t blame you or any other Americans because someone is producing porn. That doesn’t make sense.

                  I don’t agree with giving money to Israel. I don’t agree with giving money to Iraq. I don’t agree with giving money to any corrupt nation. Because that money only goes to military, wars, and in corrupt government’s pockets. Whether it’s Iraq, Israel, European nations, or any other nations. I am not biased. I agree with helping other nations through humanitarian aid. That is just my opinion. But only through humanitarian.

                  The Qur’an is a book in which not everyone can just open the book and decipher the meaning. One word in Arabic can have 20 different meanings. Many people, including alqaeda, misinterpret that meaning and bend it towards their ideology. Many people who wish to spread misinformation about Islam to fuel the wars and hatred purposely misinterpret the Qur’an.

                  My family lives in a rural area. Much like many people here do. People their hated us at first. But time after time, they realized that Muslims aren’t those violent people that the media tells everyone. There was an U.S. vet who came from Iraq. The man killed Muslims. But no one cared for him when he got home. No one, not the government nor anyone else. Who gave him a place to live in? My uncle. He allowed the Iraqi vet, a man who went to kill Muslims, a place to live at our farm. You call that hate? I love Islam, my religion. If we hated the Iraqi vet so much, we wouldn’t have helped him. Most of the people my uncles hire are rural rednecks. You think we would hire them if we hated their guts?

                  Many people misunderstand Islam. I don’t agree with what you say. But I try to make people understand the true Islam. The Islam that forbids suicide bombings, forbids killing of innocent people, forbids lying, forbids killing unjustly. I studied Islam since I was a child. I pray 5 times a day. I am religious. I learned to treat people the way I want to be treated. I was discriminated against in my school. Many people hated me. Even my teacher told me to go play with a ball instead of building bombs. I was offended. But I don’t think that all Americans are like that.
                  Just like you shouldn’t think that all Muslims are represented by radicals. Just like you shouldn’t think that the Qur’an spreads injustice.

                  You have your views and I have mine. But just because we are different doesn’t mean we are enemies. I just want people to wake up to the fact that we Muslims aren’t violent. We aren’t those people that the media portrays as violent or full of hate. We love peace as much as you do.

              • John_Allen

                sources I use, have read all of some and some of the rest

                circa 2006: Imperial Hubris, MIchael Scheuer, formerly with the CIA’s “get bin Laden” detail. Also, “Through Our Enemies Eyes.” my paraphrase, what motivates the jihadi. what their grievances are.

                I guarantee you not 1 person in 50 on this board has ever read. They hate our imperialism and the rape of their lands since about 1875, us and the Brits. Again, we’re the Redcoats. They’re the indigenous defending themselves.

                Dore Gold, Hatred’s Kingdom, on Saudi Arabia. Daniel Pipes, Militant Islam Reaches America. Bernard Lewis, professor of near east studies at Princeton, The Crisis of islam. Lewis, The Middle East, a brief history of the last 2,000 years.

                Richard W. Bulliet, Islam, the view from the edge. The Oxford History of Islam.

                I concur with hmm. Most people on here who pontificate that Islam is this and Islam is that don’t know what the F they are talking about.

                Those are BOOKS. No click-on instant wisdom. Takes a little time and effort. Sorry if that sounds elitist. Anyone can have an opinion. It takes sustained effort to have an INFORMED opinion.

                • hmm

                  I also agree with some of Michael Scheuer’s views. He was the CIA man on investigating bin laden. When wars are launched in the Middle East, this fuels alqaeda. When there are no wars, alqaeda loses support. This is common sense. People in the Middle East don’t want bases and more invasions. Once there are no more bases or war. There will be fighting for power. But things will return to a balanced state and the violence will end.

                  Same thing like this economy. If quantitative easing and money printing stops, there will be chaos. But over time, things will return to a balance. And the chaos will end.

              • kynase

                @ hmmm…I merely recapping what the extremist themselves have stated…a jihad. I am speaking about Muslim extremists…not all Muslim nations. You can disagree with me, that’s fine, but you might want to take some time to learn about what the Muslim extremist believes and why they have this belief. This isn’t some sort of spin…it is what it is.

                • hmm

                  I know about extremists. I have debated one myself. I don’t agree with their radicals views. I am glad that you don’t group all Muslims together. Because the vast majority of Muslims truly want peace. Just like you want peace. More goes on in Mosques to battle extremists than you might think. But the media doesn’t want to report it.

              • Them Guys

                Lets all Focus on that issue of “Muslims are in Year 30th of Jihad”…Well what about Talmudic Judaics?….They are in aprox Year 3500 of Their massive hatred of all goyim gentiles aka of all non jews. At least thats whats wrote in every second page of their 65 volume set of books called tha Talmud…

                Then there that pesky issue talmudic have with an even More Rabid hatred of Jesus Christ, Christianity, Christians and especially those white members of christianity worldwide.

                More innocents were mass killed in the 20th century as compared to ALL other recorded eras of history…None can dispute that Fact with any legit sources…

                About 250 Million were mass murdered BY Jewdeo-Bolshevik-Kommie jews beginning in 1917-18 Russia revolt, then spread out to a dozen more eastern european nations, and the mass killings and forced starvations(holodomer you never hear of nor see any tv or hollywood movies on) Never stopped untill around 1990, when soviet ussr ended.

                Folks that ridicule or sneer or name call at these documented Facts, are simply ignorant fools or just refuseniks where the real truth is at…Many have a vested intrest at disbelief even when such has been so well documented and verified by more sources private and govnts alike….And 99% of times Thats due to falsehoods taught by phony israel firster pastors, teaching many falshoods related to “End Times prophecy” based upon Their wrong interpretations of the biblical verses etc..

                But…Once its imbedded into the minds of most christian church goers, its almost totally Impossible to ever convince such folks to at least Research alternate ifno’s that will prove these wrongs and falsehoods as false.

                One would think that after past 40 yrs of so Many end times prophecy videos, public conferences, gatherings etc, and every single one has proven wrong. By pastors such as TV’s ministery of Hagee-Jack Van Impe-Pat Robertson, and the entire Brood of “experts”.

                Just the very Fact that every named and unnamed pastors has had to copycat Hal Lindsey and RE-Do their end times scenario vids, Dozens of times now, due to “something didn’t go as thought it will”…only They claim “I never realized I missed this or That bible parts…UNTILL! The Lord told me the Rest of the story! So Now Pay me another $40 + shipping fees, to recieve my NEW Updated end times scenario version of…The same damn falshood crapola I prior sold to You fools!..Oh and also BUY all my Books too cause Rexella my wifey needs a new $10,000 Dress to wear on the Next TV show next week folks!!

                Rexella Van Impe: “oh oh Oh!!! Jackkkkkk! Oh My my my! but aren’t you the worlds best expert on end times events!

                Jack Van Impe: “well Yes thats truth Rexella, but never mind all that Praise for ME! I rather again alert tv viewers to This weeks special DEALS!…Just send ME $200 Plus shipping Fees, to recieve the Latest, greatest new version end times scenarios and projew pro israel zionists operatives versions as a…BOXED SET!” See ya all Next week…Remember folks jews can do NO wrongs cause jews gets a free pass and special Back door Key into Heaven! and Thats IN your bibles folks! Bye Bye folks!

                NEXT up same TV station: the Pastor John Hagee zioboy extrodinare, pro israel jew-firster Master of “CUFI” org ceramonies!…here with huge Charts outlining all he was Taught by his Rabbi talmudic, Pastor-seminary school Teachers!…You can all trust whatever Talmudic taught Judiazers tells ya folks! Because they Loves all issues israel state! USA! USA! USA!!! MORE WARS For jews! Yeah kill off the entire world for jewish israel state!

                What pure total Blasphemy, Heritics, and plain BUNKOLAS!

                And as written above posting, Yes many Here has fallen Hard for such nonsense!..Good luck wakeing them.

              • louis XIV

                OK, towelhead. Another adherent to the religion of peace.

            • hmm

              What radicals say are different and what Islam represents is different. Just because people say something, it doesn’t make it true. I am a Sunni Muslim. Our ideology is vastly different from the shiite ideology.

              Anyways, you might be able to read and speak Arabic. So can I. Much better than you (not an insult). But even I could not translate the meaning of the Qur’an on my own. Someone must be skilled in Fus-ha, the true Arabic the was spoken long back than in the Arab nations. Most now speak the slang Arabic.

              A word in Arabic can have many different meanings. So it’s not that simple for someone to just open one of those english Qur’ans and start reading. I am not say that you do that. I am saying that do that doesn’t make sense. Numerous and numerous translations written in english versions are wrong.

              But let’s say people over there did say they want to take over the world. Many Americans had the same mentality. Which people do not want to take over the world. So you are telling me that when the British, Americans, Russians, Chinese, and the Germans wanted to take over the world, that’s okay if they wanted to do that, and they tried through war. But if Arabs say that, people act like it’s the end of the world.

              But anyways, my friend let me ask you this. If there weren’t any oil in the Middle East, do you think those hundreds of bases and all those wars would have still happened?

        • lonelonmum

          Muslim nations have not forgotten that usery is forbidden to the faithful – this puts the global central banking plan at risk. They have also not forgotten that the family is the bedrock of self-determination and society. (I bitterly disagree with many aspects of their doctrine, but I think it’s important that we do not forget why they and not us are seen as the elites greatest threat).

          If Christians would only also remember that Usery is also forbidden to us, then we would stand a small chance.

          Join your local credit union and avoid the big banks. Encourage your local credit union to add a bill paying facility to their service offering and you have hit one simple blow for freedom.

          Instead of falling for the divide and conquer rhetoric try being an adopted Grandpa for that those children down the road in a household headed by an ethnic single Mum. Give her boys a decent role model to follow other than that perverted monster in the Whitehouse. Counter the impact of state schooling by teaching those kids critical thinking.

          We can take back our freedoms one family, one small act at a time. This will only work if we stop fighting amongst ourselves, but allow the cumulative effect of millions of small acts of rebellion and rejection of the status quo to build up. Eventually the dam will burst behind all those acts of purchasing local goods and produce, gardens homeschools, community self-defence projects credit unions etc, etc.

          The elite NEED us to survive, we do not need them.

        • sixpack

          Actually, I had a deep discussion with a liberal lefty, tie-dye, silver pony-tail and all. There was absolutely no agreement on ANYTHING, not even the color of the sky.He won’t even look me in the eye now, much less risk speaking to me again.

          No great loss.

          • hmm

            Than try again. We shouldn’t mock. We should try to learn. Just talking to them is learning experience.

            • sixpack

              Yes it is. I learned that you can’t reason with a rock.

              • hmm

                I know some people can’t be helped. But debating is a learning experience too. I can enjoy sometimes. I mean, you have your reasons.

                But what do I get from mocking? Nothing.

                What do I get from debating? A better form of understanding.

                It can be a headache. But hey, oh well.

            • louis XIV

              Diaper head

              • JohnFornaro

                Hey Pee-pee head! Who ya callin’ diaper head!

                Ahhhh… Third grade. The best four years of my life.

              • hmm

                Why mock me? I was having an intellectual conversation with others. That’s what I don’t like. But know this. Your hatred won’t help make things better. You know I said the truth. But any truth that doesn’t satisfy your hate is rejected by you and others.

      • man on the inside

        4 or 5 dead bankers well it’s a start

      • NC joe

        Because if you believe this crap,you are stupid.

        • 1braveheart

          NCJOE, F#$% YOU! You don’t have any business coming on here and calling people stupid. Go f#$% yourself!

          • Mcdave

            Easy brother, just thumbs, just thumbs..

          • Mcdave

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          • RICH99

            Joe is correct and if it’s not evident by now then the name is fitting ……how many years are you going to fall for the same crap ??????

          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

            Careful Cuz, Mac may forget your his lapdog an ban you for a week. Then how would you rant?

      • Patriot One

        For the most part they are right. The average American Citizen doesn’t know the Federal Reserve is a private member bank. For that matter most have never heard of the Federal Reserve!!

      • 1940justme

        if you’re reading this crap, you must be, the stories get sillier everyday, only one out of five are worth reading, it’s the same thing yr after yr.

      • Jeff

        I just wanted to post this because I hadn’t thought about it till now. I haven’t seen anything mentioned about it as a prepping need.

        240 Volt extension cords

        I would need at least a 50 foot cord to go from my range to the garage where my generator is. I don’t have one, but I will soon.

        Just a thought

        Jeff

        • Northern Reb

          JEFF:
          I’m not an electician but, I would say that you could use welding leads for that type of drop cord. Plus it woud be more flexible than hard wire.
          If that is too heavy, I do know that you will need no.8 wire.
          Here is another thought move the stove to the garage closer to the generator. That is what I I’m planning on doing.
          Good luck my friend in the prepper world.
          S.T.S.TF.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • louis XIV

            Welder cable is quite flexible, but also quite expensive. For 50′, 8 AWG CU will probably work at 240 volts. Single conductors in free air can carry a large amperage load. NEC table in article 310 is for continuous loads (3 hours or more) with conductors in a cable or raceway. You probably won’t be doing that. You might be OK with 10 AWG. Your range is 40-50 amps with all burners and the oven going at once. Most of us don’t do that.

        • Sgt. Dale

          Jeff
          Get the heaviest one you can get,
          When you go to use your generator make sure your gas tank is full. You don’t want to run out of gas and it start pulsing on you that might screw up the range.
          Sgt.

          • louis XIV

            Won’t hurt the heating elements, maybe the electronic crap found on so many ranges these days. The cool electronic bells and whistles sell appliances. I’ve seen fridges with LCD displays that connect to the internet. I’m sure some people thought that was cool.

        • JayJay

          We had a pool. Needed those for water pump.
          Have 150 + 100.
          Nice for industrial jobs around the house.

        • Mcdave

          Or….

          Move the range to the garage.
          That’s really where you belong anyway.
          Pizza and an oil change? Why not!

        • louis XIV

          Check out your genny. You will probably have to buy your own cord ends and make your own cord. The plug on the genny should be marked as to voltage, amperage, etc. if you don’t have the manufacturer’s instructions. Look for markings like 30A 120/240V 1phase (sorry, I have no key for that) 3 wire or 4 wire. There should be a NEMA label molded into the plug on the genny. You may be able to find something already assembled at an RV supplier. I don’t RV, but somebody else on this site can probably help with that.

        • Shootit

          What is the generator output? Size it off of that. I have a 5000 watt generator and have sized everything accordingly. You may need a disconnect to be legal? 8 will work unless you have a 15000 watt generator.

          • db427

            I’ve thought about this for awhile, and feel in the long run, skip the generator. put your money into either wind, or solar power for electrical generation. sure a generator would be wise in a storm event, but longer than a few days, forget it. if you need to cook, use your furnace/fireplace. need hot water, again they have wood burning furnaces that can heat water. need water, better have a well, with mechanical pump bypass as option. another thing, in emergency situation, most people forget that they all have about 80 gallons of fresh water in their water heater.

            • Shootit

              No wind yet. Have enough solar to run lights and TV 24/7. The generator runs my 240v well and other heavy appliances. I don’t have a 240v inverter. It is high on the list. Natural Gas for heat, cooking, hot water. Been without power for 7 days because of tornado’s taking out miles of power lines, never ran out of natural gas. My shop is heated with wood and has it’s own solar system to run my power tools.

              Try functioning for 7 days without power. You will find all of your weak points. The weakness are easier to correct when all of the stores are open and everyone else isn’t looking for that same plug.

        • Cellar Spider

          Wow!!!!! An actual prepping topic. I’m psyched!

          In any case, if you have a 5000 watt generator, all you will need is 10 Gauge 3-wire with ground as all you’ll be pushing out of the generator is about 20 – 30 amps.

          A bigger generator will require “8 Gauge wire”.

          You’ll also need two different male plugs. A Standard 240 volt male plug and a male Standard Range plug. A 50 ft solution probably will run around $110.00. (Plugs are 25.00 – 30.00 / each)

          Connecting to the range outlet isn’t a bad idea in a pinch. Just make sure you shut off the main switch before powering up the generator so you don’t generate feedback voltage and also so you don’t start a fire if the electricity comes back on with the generator running.

          In the above case, everything will have access to generator power so you have to pick things to run. i.e. you don’t want the refrigerator running while the furnace kicks on, etc.

          Also, make sure you get a 12 volt inverter and a car battery. While on generator power, charge the car battery with any old battery charger.

          Also have the inverter connected to the battery. That way, you can charge your electronics without harming them.

          Another suggested alternative would be to set up a generator transfer switch and run 10-wire from a receptacle outside the house into the generator transfer switch connected to your main power panel.

          Make a 10 ft 240 volt extension cord out of 10-wire and a male – male 240 volt plug and then use that to plug the generator into the receptacle (About $90.00 for plugs and wire).

          The only drawback to the above is that you have to pick which circuits you’d like to protect. This is what I have done at my house.

          • Shootit

            I always make my cords out of #8-3-G stranded just in case I upgrade generators. You also have less electrical loss using larger wire. You are right on about cost of making up a 50′ extension cord. If you have an electrician make it up will pay $175.00-$200.00.

            We use the generator in 1-2 hour intervals for pumping water, re-freezing freezers, and re-heating the house. Summer time we just open the windows. Then I switch to solar for running lights, TV, etc. It’s work, but sure beats burning 10-12 gallons of fuel running it 24/7 a day.

      • Barn Cat

        For all practical purposes, we are. The people responsible should be paying for their crimes but they aren’t. It should be dangerous for them to show their faces in public but it isn’t.

      • snake eater

        My question is who/whom is doing this investigation of all these different corps.????????sounds like the fox is putting blame on the hawk,,,,,,,Also what difference does it make if these people are dead who would believe them??????

        snake

        • Northern Reb

          SNAKE:
          Maybe Hillary is investigating????????
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      • Anonymous

        From Daily Sheeple: “Obama making good on promise to eliminate free speech”… guess he didn’t lie about everything. ; (

        • Northern Reb

          ANON:
          WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO OBAMA TOLD THE TRUTH?????
          THE END MUST BE NEAR!!!!!
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      • Anonymous

        vIDEOS TO SEE IF YOU HAVE EARS (FOR TRUTH SEEKERS):

        ARCTIC DEATH SPIRAL & THE METHANE TIME BOMB (About 25 experts/doctors)

        EARTH EXTINCTION 2030- Guy McPherson at wwww.Legalize-Freedom.com (video)

        Guy McPherson– part 1 “Our Environment by the Numbers” (short video).

      • Anonymous

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFY31MIubG4

        67 min – Nov 22, 2012 – Uploaded by BEcreativeVIDS

        Guy McPherson, creator of the blog Nature Bats Last, discusses our species’ ecological …

        Guy McPherson – Earth Extinction 2030 – YouTube

        Earth Extinction– 2030

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuv8fETfME

        65 min – Nov 15, 2013 – Uploaded by LegaliseFreedom1

        Guy McPherson discusses his latest book Going Dark. We are the last … You need

      • Anonymous

        I REALIZE MOST OF YOU PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET CLIMATE CHANGE– the only way I have been able to wake people up and get them to understand what is at stake here is to read this research paper submitted for doctorate degree titled, “Methane Extinctions in Earth’s distant past and near Future” (I believe that’s the full name).

        Basically, it comes down to this: there are methane clathrates underneath the ocean which are frozen. These clathrates contain millions of tons of methane. Thankfully, the methane is frozen because its 25X more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. In the distant past, most of the earth’s species disappeared when these clathrates melted and released methane. They have begun to melt (again) due to burning tons and tons of fossil fuels by the 7.5 billion humans on the earth.

        This is what keeps scientists up at nights. This is why climate scientists are peeing in their pants. This is why this one female scientist (after talking awhile about it) was almost in tears. (Her name is Natalia Shakhova– She is a very beautiful woman, for all you guys— just look her up. type in her name. She is of the International Arctic Research Center).

        • Northern Reb

          ANON:
          I get it. I cahngs back and forth 4 times a year. winter, spring , summer, fall.
          Also this winter is just like the same type of winters we had when I was a kid.
          So yes the climate cahnges, but who is to say what it supose to be like.
          Should it be really warmer than it is now like it was millions of years ago or colder than is now like it was during the ice age millions of years a go.
          Who rearly know for sure. There is only theory’s
          So please do not try to tell me that man is causing climate change by burning fossil fuels.
          We were not a round burning those fuels back when it was warmer or when the ice covered the earth.
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      • louis XIV

        Curse those wicked Russians for trying to interfere with people’s God given right to butt**ck.

      • louis XIV

        Curse those wicked Russians for trying to interfere with people’s God given right to butt**ck.

      • US Centurion

        It is an insult to the public intellect that the media so readily pushes the official line that the deaths were all suicides given the unusual circumstances surrounding nearly all of those listed.

        There is no public intellect. TPTB don’t think the people of this geographic location are stupid, they know that they are stupid. The majority of people in the USA care more about Dancing with the stars and the Kardashians then they do about their freedom. As long as the food stamp and welfare checks keep rolling in they are content.

      • Anonymous

        We have the power all the money is earned by us.
        So what will you do with your Money?

    2. rednek101

      Anarchists love chaos. Anything and anyone that can shed light on the truth will at best find a glass ceiling on their career. At worst……… Don’t ya long for the days when folks getting whacked and doing the whacking were mafioso. I live in Guam by the way.

      • What?

        Is Guam a paradise? Or a shithole? I’ve heard it both ways, but from people I don’t really trust.

        • Maudy Frickett

          They’re loading up with US military now.

          • y99

            Yep, I heard it may tip over.

            • 1braveheart

              Y99, long time no hear from. How’ve you been? Welcome back.

              • y99

                1Braveheart

                Good to be thought of, been laying low, counting ammo and focusing on preps. Lost my job a few months back, first time out of work in 42 years and been a bit to stir crazy.

                Hope you’re well, like the added 1.

                • 1braveheart

                  Sorry to hear about you being out of work. the change to my internet name came about because of a problem I had one day getting my comments posted under my old name. mac said it had something to do with his servers. I made a change to the name and VOILA, the comments finally go through. So I’ve kept it that way ever since.

                • REB

                  Ya welcome back…sorry about the job…hope things are turning for the better!

        • Mcdave

          Guam, WV?
          Nice folks there. Love that BBQ

        • Red Leader

          Too many snakes on Guam.

      • rednek101

        Makin a joke about living in Guam. Mafia can’t live there. I was pokin’ at them. …

      • sixpack

        Anarchists do not “love chaos”. There are some black bloc factions that do cause chaos during protests, but the truth is, Anarchists hate government and oppression even worse than we do. They are far left, but still have the same opinion of govt, the police state and TBTF banks that we do.

        If it was up to a TRUE Anarchist, they’d wipe out the entire command structure, and live by individuals taking responsibility for their own actions and gor themselves without authoritarian interference.

        I studied Anarchism for years. You should study something besides govt propaganda for a change.

        My 2 cents worth.

        • sixpack

          “for their own actions and FOR themselves”

        • rednek101

          SIX
          Beg to differ

          Wiki:Anarchism does not offer a fixed body of doctrine from a single particular world view, instead fluxing and flowing as a philosophy.

          This above is the definition of chaos. Prolly hasn’t got a high possibility of success. People need structure and boundaries. Without we have chaos.

          • sixpack

            I didn’t even have to read beyond the word “WIKI”. Wiki means any joe blow can write pretty much anything he wants to. It’s “collective” crowd-sourced information. Don’t put too much stock into any “wiki”.

            Anarchists are known for their views of “SELF-DETERMINATION” and “self-responsibility”.

            They don’t believe anyone has the right to police anybody else—guess whose feathers that idea would ruffle?

            • sixpack

              Some of the people on this site have more in common with Anarchists views, than they are probably willing to admit. Thumb me down if you like, but truth is truth.

              • rednek101

                Six

                Not gonna thumb you down. Your opinion is valid. Agree with you on the Wiki being a “community” definition.

                My opinion:
                Anarchism is pseudo-communism. If I’m too lazy to get my own insurance, I’ll get someone who’s working to pay for it. Free ride. Huge numbers of our “citizens” want to go in this direction. America is the proverbial Pot of Gold to the anarchist/communism folks. The benefits of this movement will be short lived. The social decay and economic destruction it causes will be long term.

                So i have a decent job. Making decent money and i’m able to provide for my family. So now i get forced to pay for someone else’s insurance. Many thousands of dollars a year. Now my labor goes to support someone who is too lazy to work. I want my labor to support my family. The question i have to ask is where will this stop. Does this lazy **** want me to buy him a car and a house also. Will i be forced to do this. There is NO end. These types will always want more as long as they don’t have to work for it.

                The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.
                Margaret Thatcher

                “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” 
                -Sir Winston Churchill

                anarchism noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
                Political theory holding all forms of government authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups. The word was used only pejoratively until Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, now regarded as the founder of anarchism, adopted it in What is Property? (1840). The anarchist Mikhail Bakunin clashed with Karl Marx at the First International; when it was dissolved in 1872, Bakunin’s followers retained control of workers’ organizations in Latin countries such as Spain and Italy. Even anarchists who believed that the transition to a government-free society required violent revolution disagreed on the nature of the transition. Anarcho-syndicalism, which developed in the late 1880s, emphasized labour unions (syndicats) and called for general strikes to paralyze the state. In the 19th and 20th centuries, anarchism also inspired experimental communities, including New Lanark in Britain and Brook Farm in the U.S. During the early months of the Spanish Civil War, anarchist militias were in virtual control of much of eastern Spain, where they established hundreds of anarchist collectives. Suppressed as an organized movement by fascism in the 1930s, anarchism reemerged in the 1950s and ’60s through its influence on the civil rights movement and the student movements in the U.S. and Europe. The radical ecology movement in the 1970s also was inspired by anarchist ideas. Beginning in 1999, anarchist-led street demonstrations against the World Bank and International Monetary Fund received unprecedented publicity and inspired new anarchist groups, periodicals, and Internet sites. Anarchist themes are reflected in the work of many 20th-century artists, writers, and musicians, including Pablo Picasso, the American poets of the Beat movement, the Spanish Surrealist filmmaker Luis Buñuel, and the American composer John Cage.

                That’s my .02.

                • sixpack

                  You can add a couple more details to Anarchism.

                  Anarchists have a strong belief in taking responsibility for ones own actions. Yes there is socialism involved, but it is VOLUNTARY, even utopic socialism. They don’t believe in forcing anyone to give anything up for someone else. Instead, it is PRESUMED that others will choose to be charitable if they can and everyone will have what they need.

                  But Anarchism rests on the idea that people are inherently good. It only works if people are willing to restrain their own actions and not trample on the rights of others. It only works if people are willing to TRY to take care of their own needs, and if people freely CHOOSE to assist those less fortunate.

                  You could say that Anarchism is a “unicorn-shitting, rainbow utopia” in it’s most basic form.

                  IMO, people in general have become too angry, too selfish and too greedy for that sort of society to actually work. Too bad.

                • rednek101

                  Would like to add: Lazy **** and too lazy to work refers to the professional welfare recipients.

                • lonelonmum

                  True anarchism begins with a willingness to take responsibility for one’s own actions and to consider the impact of those actions upon others.

                  How many of us here regularly bewail the lack of personal responsibility amongst the majority of the population today. How many of us reject outright the increasingly authoritarian regime we live under?

                  A wastrel entitled gimme dat brat is not an anarchist. Do not mistake the two.

                  I’m not saying you have to agree with some of the doctrines that have been declared to be beyond the pale by the social conditioning we have all been subjected to. I am saying that it’s worth investigating under the cover to find out WHY the elite dislike certain doctrines so much.

                  What is it about this particular approach/system/doctrine that tptb find threatening? This is a question we should ask ourselves more often. Often the answer is both simpler and more obvious than we think.

                • rednek101

                  One of the tenets of democracy, IMHO, is that you get out of it what you put into it. In other words the harder you work the more reward for that work. When a person works, they produce a product that is beneficial to others. The more produced, the more benefit and the greater the reward. If our theoretical worker is forced to share his reward, Obummercare being the latest example, the reward of work is lessened. As the night follows the day, the worker will not produce as much and the death spiral ensues.

                  America has provided a safety net for those less fortunate. In other words we have chosen to help the less fortunate. It’s the law of the land. EBT, Welfare, housing on and on. It has become an industry in and of itself. Ignorant people have gouged the system to the point where it will no longer function.

                  “One of the benefits for the entitlement bunch is that somebody else pays their way. “Why should I work when I can work the system and make a good living. It’s much easier to work my mouth than get out of bed and actually do real tangible labor. Something of substance.”

                  There is a point coming very soon where these folks will feel the wrath. They will know the err of their ways. What has supported their dead weight is going to collapse.

                  BTW, I give to charity. I do choose to help those less fortunate.

                • REB

                  With respect…It seems the framers/founders had a healthy slice of anarchy in them so even though the lines may overlap in places at least in some folks minds/belief…I personally see no kinship betwixt marxism and anarchy or chaos…in fact I have to say I see more of that connection betwixt democracy(mob rule) and chaos and socialism…witness the situation we find ourselves in today under the latter…I have to side with Jefferson and the others who believed people were capable of governing themselves without some power ruling over them(and for the record I do not believe most folks really understand what self rule means,especially some of these groups called anarchist today)… something I fervently believe in as a principle…just saying…thanks!

                • rednek101

                  Reb
                  I truly see what you are saying. Self rule would be an amazing thing to behold. The world is not ready for this. Our society has it’s share of corruption. It pales in comparison to other countries. Don’t see this going away for a while. I have no expectation that people who make their living off of others will suddenly do a 180 and they will come into compliance with what is required to make self rule work. Jus’ don’t see it. What i do see is criminal enterprise being given a whole new way to exploit society. Maybe in a few hundred years man will have advanced to the point where this would work. Look how far we’ve come in the past thousand years. The world was flat and now we’ve mapped the human genome.

              • Northern Reb

                SIX AND REDNEK;
                Great debate, after reading it I guess I would have a little Anarchast in me.
                MAN, do I like this web sight and the people on it even when I donot agree, it makes me thing.
                THANKS YOU PEOPLE ON THIS SIGHT, HAVING A GREAT TIME HERE.
                S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

                • Northern Reb

                  That is a little anarchist in me ,but more libertatian

                • JayJay

                  **That is a little anarchist in me ,but more libertarian**

                  And I thought I was all alone!!

              • louis XIV

                Governments in general HATE anarchy, and always portray it as everybody preying upon each other. Wouldn’t want people to find out they don’t need centralized government, would we?

        • Mcdave

          Nailed it.

        • Barn Cat

          Anarchists are stupid enough to believe that mankind can live without rules and if there was no government everyone would be free to do their own thing without interference from others. I guess they don’t know about how the cartels run Mexico.

          • lonelonmum

            Mexican cartels have rules and governance. We just find those rules and values utterly repugnant Barn Cat.

          • lonelonmum

            Mexican cartels have rules and governance. We just find those rules and values utterly repugnant Barn Cat.

            This game is global, so I keep my eye on what is happening elsewhere. The pro-abortion camp is winning, as in Belgium it’s just become legal until a child is 18 years old.

            http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-belgium-parliament-passes-law-allowing-children-to-be-euthanized

            Sick, sick, sick. It’s worth noting that Belgium is a headquarters for the EU cartel, (anyone who thinks the EU is democratic bathes in the koolaid)and that it has been the epicentre of several horrific peadophilic horrors in recent years.

            The elite always pilot their Satanic plans in one nation before rolling it out globally.

            • Hunter

              L-mum>

              Actually, in Amerika’s case, a retro-active abortion clause would likely go a long way in straightening out our political process/candidates…

          • rednek101

            Yessir. Let folks run amuck and that’s exactly what they’ll do.

        • John_Allen

          six—

          “(Anarchists) are far left.”

          I am an anarcho-capitalist.

          Some anarchists are far left. Many are not. You can search several anarcho-capitalist websites.

          Lew Rockwell. Eric Peters. Larken Rose. Who have websites. And I. I don’t have a website.

          Some anarchists are anarcho-capitalists.

          There’s no such thing as being half free and half slave. If you don’t own the fruits of your honest labor you are a slave. You don’t own it if the government takes half of it, and is allowed to kill you if you resist.

          I don’t condone throwing a brick through a window. Or setting a police car on fire. But if you’re going to talk about violence, let’s get real.

          The government, ours or anyone’s, commits more violence in an hour than every living anarchist has in their lifetimes.

          It’s a bumper sticker slogan but think about it: Government… causing more violence than it has prevented for 10,000 years.

        • Anonymous

          I consider myself an anarchist. I don’t believe in the federal government but I think local governments might be OK. the Federal government has no value; its just a parasite.

      • John_Allen

        rednek,

        “Anarchists love chaos.” Oh do we? You don’t know jackshit about anarchy, or anarchists.

        What we love is liberty.

        There are species of anarchists just as there are species of dumbasses. Take an example of Lew Rockwell, or Eric Peters, or Larken Rose. Or myself.

        The first three names are searchable, and have web sites. Go there and learn something about liberty.

        Then get off your knees and join us.

        • rednek101

          John Allen, with all due respect sir…

          My God man how much liberty do you want. Liberty…I can do whatever the heck I want to do. Buy a house, buy a gun, buy a car, travel anywhere I want. I can curse the president without recourse. I can start a business. How much liberty do you want?
          IMHO the discontent in our country is due to not tending the things that make Democracy effective. Way to many dissenting voices stirring up malcontent. Their liberty is wrecking my liberty. So liberty can and does get out of hand. It’s all about self control.
          To me, liberty is something that’s been here all along. Some folks aren’t aware it’s there. It’s built into Democracy.

          Democracy, specifically how we do things in America, provides for more liberty than any other nation that has ever been. Democracy has formed this nation into arguably the most powerful nation that has ever existed. Anarchism is much closer to Communism than I’m comfortable with.

          As a people, we can pick and choose how to run our society. Pure Marxism, Communism, Anarchism and clear through to Democracy. Democracy, given the success we have seen in the US, is a pretty good way of running things.

          You have the floor sir!

          • Anonymous

            redneck… the name says it all… dumber than bush.

          • Anonymous

            How much liberty? Um… maybe the Constitution back? that would be a good place to start- you know, the right to protest without going to prison…you heard of that one, right? And maybe Obama not constantly threatening to steal our guns, which protect us from tyranny/police state. Lets see– the right to be left alone without the government spying on us– which all police states do… How about no extra military outside the citizens militia– like BLACKWATER. And MOST IMPORTATNLY, no more NDAA, which says the gov./military can pick us up and imprison us without trial or telling our family.. actually, there are a lot of “liberty” I would like back. For a REALLY GOOD LOOK AT THIS ISSUE, go to the video with Naomi Wolf– “the End of America”.

            • rednek101

              I 100% agree with you on getting the Constitution back into order. First of all I had no part in taking away any of the Constitution. My beliefs and actions fully support the Constitution, the American way of life.

              That being said…per propaganda we’ve hit the reset button. Sometimes, in order to fix a gigantic fubar, the best way to do it is to tear it down to the foundation. So i suspect in short order you will have ample opportunity to give input to the rebuilding of the country.

              Dumber than Bush…hardly.

              • rednek101

                On the NSA spying thing. The data mining their doing let’s them know who to focus on when SHTF. Dow drops by 500 points, internet gun sales go through the roof. What does that tell ya. Our working class still has too much money or that folks are really freaking out.
                Unfortunately, new tech such as the internet provides criminals with the best media they’ve ever had to work their enterprises.
                This too shall pass.

                Dumber than Bush…C’mon.

          • shiftless

            “Democracy, specifically how we do things in America, provides for more liberty than any other nation that has ever been. ”

            Bullshit. You sir do not understand America. This isn’t a democracy. Never was, and never will be. It was a Constitutional Republic, and since the 1960s it has become the American Empire. And soon it will be a smoking pile of rubble.

            “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

            The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” — Alexander Tytler

            “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” — John Adams

            • rednek101

              ‘Jus name another nation that provides for more liberties than the US.

              Based on the rest of your post, looks like your giving up on the country. Either that or your trying to elicit some apathy in the masses. We’re getting a nice preview on the New America. NSA spying, wealth redistribution. You give up if you want. I’ll fight like hell to keep what we have.

          • John_Allen

            rednek,

            With respect, sir …. Since Alexander Hamilton opened the door to the One Percenters of his day to begin the subversion of the American Republic by buying the bonds that paid for the War of Independence. To ambitious land speculators fomenting the land grab against Mexico (I like Texas, am glad they won, the Alamo etc but theft is theft). To Lincoln, who didn’t give a fig about the Black race but used Northern mercantilism as a lever to gut state sovereignty … to the banana republic wars in the late Nineteenth and Early 20th to make Nicaragua safe for United Fruit Amerikan History is one sorry tale after another of government perverting our liberty for the benefit of a very few.

            Government is formed and survives by coercion, theft and murder.

            Larken Rose, anarchist, writes an excellent blog … Government: The Most Dangerous Superstition. He went to federal prison for defying tax theft. Check him out.

            Wandered a bit up there ^^.

            Do you think we are free? Is taxation your gift to government or their theft from you? If someone “has the authority” to take half of your honest income, you are a slave.
            video reference: on YT, Philosophy of Liberty.

            anarchy in a nutshell ^^

            Invested three hours reading part of Peruta v. San Diego. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit got one right for a change. Held that the right of peaceful and sane citizens to carry outside the home shall not be infringed. Referenced Heller and City of Chicago and about 20 other precedents going back to 1822.

            Do you really think we are free? We are farm animals in a managed society. You cannot drive an automobile (a homonym of one”s right to reach your destination by walking) without jumping through sixteen govt hoops. It is almost never about safety. It is almost always about controlling and looting us.

            You cannot add to your home without getting the local government’s permission (they care so much for your safety, don’t cha know). The easier for them to loot you.

            Buy a house … be careful transferring more than $10,000 without government’s knowledge if not permission. Are you laundering that money, mister? Even if you have fee simple absolute, refuse to pay that RE tax and see for how much longer “your” home remains “yours.”

            Check out Eric Peter’s answer to the deputy sheriff who disagreed with his post on speed limits. About a month back, in his Archives. EricPetersAutos.com.

            As for the economics of anarchy, I give you The von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama. Austrian economics. The world’s foremost free market economic think tank. Anyone who thinks anarcho-capitalism is socialist doesn’t know what they are talking about.

            • rednek101

              O Lord where to start.

              Sins of the past are what they are. I didn’t commit. We neither owe any people for these sins nor should we feel guilt. It is what it is.

              I pay 1/4 of my income to the government. I do so without complaint. I know the services the government provides, even with all flaws, are well worth the cost. The standing Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force. These provide for the security of the state and allow us to project authority if need be. Hell of a service for what I pay.

              So I read where the anarcho-capitalists wants to abolish the government. All services the gov provides will be pawned off on private firms. If so, given history of boone-doogles with this type of thing, how do we prevent the CEO of the military from just turning the guns on us and taking over everything. Or better yet, if we do have a war, whoops we’re way over budget, we need more money. This entire concept is fraught with flaws. I see such potential for all forms of fraud, graft and corruption. Way more than the current system.
              The simple fact of the matter is this, you have to pay for these services one way or the other. By paying taxes, i have a vested interest in the Fed. The Fed provides me security services for the pursuit of life liberty and justice. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Not gonna happen when I’m shoveling money to a corporation.

              Correct me if I’m wrong about the anarcho-capitalism getting rid of gov.

              • para bellum

                redneck
                Very few of us want to completely abolish our government. Our military is absolutely necessary. Along with many other agencies. However, most agencies could disappear and our country be much better off. Dept. of Ed, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security (that’s what the military is for) EPA, etc. etc. etc.
                Abolish all of the social services, and return those options to the states.

                Our fed government needs to shrink dramatically and stop wasting billions in our tax dollars.

                The private sector would do a much better job at many programs than the government. Look at our health care. It was fine before the government started sticking their nose in it.

            • dub

              There is no such thing as total freedom. There are only levels of freedom. Our founders provided a high level of freedom for us. Now that level of freedom is decreasing dramatically.

          • REB

            How much liberty do I want…ALL OF IT!…Ill grant you that IN THEORY we have the most liberty of any place on earth but the problem is its not a reality simply a theory…there is a difference.
            None of the things you list as libertys are yours to do outside of govt power and control and thats the problem…the founders intended you to be able to buy a house to truely own it and pass it to your heirs and not lose it to taxe sale…they intended for the 2nd amm to be honored as it was written,not to be regulated as it is now…look at the hoops you have to jump through to start a business,sell your property,anything you can think of…even your health care,rights to your own body ect…we gotta stop acting like some group of people has a right/duty to rule other groups of people…what I as an individual have no right to do,no group of people have any right to do,and no group has any right to bestow it on another group over me or you!…we either believe in liberty or we dont…

            Liberty and democracy are not symbiotic either…democracy(mob rule )will always water down and gut personal liberty…unless a person violates the person or the property of another he/she has committed no crime and others have no claim against them…we have as a society allowed TPTB to define the words and their definitions an we have bought into it,when TPTB fear a word or an idea my ears perk up…what they fear they will tell us by berating it…govt and society are two seperate things as are chaos and anarchy…lets start as freemen/women to define our own worlds and words based on reality and not on what TPTB want us to believe…I agree we all need self control and without it there can be no true freedom…thats the point of self government,self control… my liberty respects your liberty and is no danger at all to yours or anyone elses liberty and no,liberty never gets out of control,thats part of the problem someone thinks they have a right /need to control liberty,my liberty,I control me not others nor will I willingly agree to allow others to control me…consider me a dissenting voice opposed to anyone establishing/decreeing themselves to be in charge and over my personal liberty but the idea that that is a threat is hogwash…TPTB propaganda plain and simple…if Im out of control and true liberty is the law of the land then I will soon find myself “dealt” with by my fellow men/women who will exercise their personal liberty and fix my wagon…thats the way it should be,anything else is why we are in the mess we are in…”Live free or die tryin”

          • JohnFornaro

            Redneck 101: “My God man, how much liberty do you want?”

            Well, a good bit more than what we have, but that’s just me.

            Still, you pretty much nailed it!

        • louis XIV

          I know Jack Shit. Sir, you’re no Jack Shit.

      • Anonymous

        Anarchists don’t “love chaos”… they simply want the old system gone…completely…and a new way of being. (no more oppression, domination, stealing of our rights!)

        • rednek101

          Just a quick observation. Seems you kinda support Anarchists. No more oppression, domination and stealing of your rights. You realize the people doing this to you are your next of kin the democrats don’t you? They’re left wing crackpots. Go towards the light…..There’ll be a nice conservative there to show you the way.

    3. Race2extinction

      More of the same, more to come. Interesting to see how things are in 18 months.

    4. Ugly

      Trust is no longer a word. Anti-trust has a better meaning. Bad times are coming. I don’t trust any of these people–none of them.

      • rednek101

        If you don’t have trust replace it with faith. Have faith that your fellow citizen will act in the best interest of both himself and you.

        • REB

          Quote… Have faith that your fellow citizen will act in the best interest of both himself and you.(end)…I agree wholeheartedly!

          Im really not trying to be difficult but faith and trust are twins joined at the heart…really no way I can see to have one without the other…if there is please enlighten me.

          1trust noun \ˈtrəst\
          : belief that someone or something is reliable, good, honest, effective, etc.

          faith (fāth)
          n.
          1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
          2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.

          I believe most freemen will act in their own best interests and their neighbors if true liberty is the law of the land…natural law/rights and the exercise by freemen/women of it insures that if someone will not respect the rights of others that they will be dealt with by the natural law.2cents

    5. Maudy Frickett

      Time will tell.

    6. Watchdog

      Too many questionable incidents (as in a clearinghouse).
      The TBTF are the fucktards of this mess.

      Folks, it will get worse from here. Watch for events to unfold quickly in the coming months. Don’t procrastinate… Just keep prepping and hoard PMs and get the hell out of the banks. Clear your 401Ks and pension funds even if you get taxed, at least to get something rather than nothing.

      • Hunter

        Watchdog-

        Level headed thoughts, indeed.

    7. CrabbeNebulae

      Ok… I’m not trying to start a shit storm here but, I’ve noticed an interesting thing since the 1st of January this year and it is almost as if some sort of death switch was flipped somewhere at midnight 31 December, 2013. We get the local news paper and since I’m an old fart (late sixties) about the only thing I read in the news paper are the obituaries to see if anybody I know in the area has died. Usually, the obituary is one to two pages at most but normally about a page and a half, sometimes three or four on Sunday. Since the 1st of January however I have noticed that the daily obituaries are four, five and six pages long and on Sundays as many as eight or nine. Folks… that’s every day. My wife even commented on it recently and wondered what the hell is going on why are so many people dying suddenly. We almost went to town today but after looking at the obituaries decided against it because there were 47 funerals scheduled for today in the local area and I don’t care to drive around that many traffic jams. There appear to be a lot more people dying everywhere now, than in the past. I’m wondering if the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak. Just saying.

      • JayJay

        Crabbe–what size city/town you live in???

        • CrabbeNebulae

          Actually, I live in a rural unincorporated area but the nearest metro area (20 mi. away) is about 500,000 which, like all metro areas includes the main city of approx 230,000 and several (9-10) smaller incorporated cities/towns for a rough total of 500,000+.

          • JayJay

            Okay–large population

      • John W.

        Millions of boomers are hitting their sixties and 10,000 a day are turning 65. That is actually not an unusual age for the mortality to start picking up. How many make it past seventy five? Not as many as we are led to believe. Just look around or better yet ask anyone over sixty how many prescriptions they take daily. It is rare to find anyone that age or older who does not take some drug daily. Just look at all the fat asses. Truly amazing the tonnage that Americans now carry around.

        • 1braveheart

          John W., I’m one of those rare people who is NOT taking any FDA-approved poisons for anything. I take 2 Vitamin D3 every morning to ward off flu, etc. and that’s it. I just quit smoking back in Dec. and I feel very good. I’m 56 going on 57 next month. Regardless of what happens, I will NEVER touch any FDA-approved poisons for ANY reason. I’ll take my chances.

          • Barn Cat

            I’m a diabetic so all those “FDA approved poisons” keep me alive.

          • db427

            @brave,
            nice job on the quitting smoking bit (part of your preps?) it also explains why you are so quick to lose it and jump down peoples throats.
            agree with you on the fda-approved poison as well, like everything else, for every action, equal opposite also plays a part.

            • 1braveheart

              db427, I only jump on trolls, NEVER on any good people. I stand up for the good people of this site. I just don’t have any use for trolls.

          • CrabbeNebulae

            @1braveheart… Wife and I have prided ourselves over the years because neither of us are taking any FDA approved drugs for any condition and we don’t do vaccinations and (we will not take FDA approved drugs nor will we take our obligatory flu vaccination). I call it obligatory because all of our friends and acquaintances promote vaccinations and are appalled that either of us would dare challenge the experts. We take a few supplements like vitamin C and D3. We grow most of our own food bake our own bread and take home grown herbal medicine teas. By and large neither of us are afflicted with any of the horrible conditions that our friends and acquaintance are afflicted with (YET)(Heart disease, diabetes, cholesterol imbalances, high blood pressure, and a gazillion other conditions caused by all the artificial crap and additives/GMOs they eat). We don’t generally get colds and neither of us have ever had the flu that we can remember. Now, wife always tells me “don’t talk” (about how healthy we are), and chides me when I mention it to other people because, as she says, you never know what’s around the corner. Having said all that, about two weeks ago we went to the hospital to visit a friend who was admitted for a bronchial infection/ COPD etc… Well as it was, the hospital was filthy, the floor was sticky like it had not been cleaned in a week. The guy we visited claims he had some kind of pneumonia and was coughing (gurgling) flim etc… Well, we shook hands all around and visited for a while and left. As soon as we got to the truck we poured rubbing alcohol all over our hands and talked about how filthy the hospital was. (I started carrying a bottle of 91% rubbing Alcohol in my truck years ago for just such occasions as this). Now here’s what really pisses me off. A couple days later wife gets sick with a chest cold (no fever) and I tend to her needs here and there all the time smugly telling her not to worry about me, I don’t get sick. Two days after she was up and about I came down the same crap twice as bad as her and have been gurgle coughing my head off for the last several days (no fever), chest hurts, throat sore, nose stopped up with thick green shit. So, you see, be careful about talking about all the healthy stuff you take and eat because you never know what’s lurking around the corner and there are microbes out there that are like rogue government employees, they will test you every chance they get. We still didn’t go to the doctor and don’t intend to and will continue our regimen of fresh veggies and herbal teas etc… Wife’s cooking up some duck soup as I type. Just saying.

            • 1braveheart

              Crabbe, congratulations. sounds like you and your wife are really doing well.

            • db427

              @crabbe,
              next time do yourself a favor (wife too), pay your friend a visit on the phone.

            • REB

              Yes but you made it through without the help of the pharma/medical establishment so I say kudos to you and your wife…sounds like you live like I and my bride do and though theres always a risk out there Ill bet on this way of living everytime!

          • Northern Reb

            1BREAVHEART:
            I’m 60 years young I take my vitamins every day and one asprin a day. Don’t smoke or drink except a little red wine now and then (maybe 2 drinks a month). I’m 5′ 11″ tall and 205 lbs. And for a Red Neck hill running Rebel I have all my teeth except one molar that I lost when I was 8 years old.
            Here I thought that 60’s was the new 40’s
            Please Jonh W. don’t tell me I only have 15 more years to raise he!! Say it ain’t so, I’m just getting a good start.
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

        • JayJay

          I’m 63, and take no drugs. Not so much for Gene, my husband, though.
          My dad and mom smoked; died at age 76 and 77.

        • louis XIV

          If my wife points out a member of the 400+ club, I whisper “Don’t spook it. I don’t own a rifle that’d bring that thing down”.

      • FarmersDaughter

        I have noticed something else. Two people I know, relatively healthy looking, went to the doctor and diagnosed with cancer opted for chemo. Both of them died within 3 days of the first treatment. Thinking it was a “kill” shot.

        • Barn Cat

          I seriously doubt it.

        • Paranoid

          Nope, they never kill you off, till they have all your money.

          • FarmersDaughter

            Unless you are on Medicare…

        • REB

          Ive known several healthy people who went to a doc, got “diagnosed” got treatments and were dead in weeks…I think your correct.

      • DaisyK

        Baby boomers are getting older. More and more are approaching end of life.
        ???

        • jerrytbg

          I hope you’re right…it does seem plausible…

        • Northern Reb

          DAISY:
          I’ll let every one here in on a little secret.!;-)
          From the day you are born you are getting older and you are approaching the end of life.
          SO ENJOY IT!!!! HAVE FUN, LIVE, LOVE, LAUGH, RAISE A LITTLE CAIN, PREPAIR TO DEAL WITH WHAT EVER COMES YOUR WAY!;-)
          I FOUND THAT THE REASON A PERSON LIVES A LONG LIFE IS, THEY REFUSE TO DIE.
          I PREY THAT EVERYONE HERE LIVE AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO.
          S.T.S.FP. N.R. N.S. N.REB

      • NC joe

        You do realize the population is getting older. There are a high percentage of old farts out there. Since there are a large number of older people out there, it only makes sense that there will be more deaths since older people are more likely to die. But, please, like the rest of these sheeple, don’t let logic and reason cloud your thought processes.

        • 1braveheart

          NCJOE, I’m one “old fart” who is still in good enough condition to kick your ass if I ever meet you face-to-face. Now take your sorry trolling ass away rom here and yes, go f#$% yourself in the process!

          • Northern Reb

            1BRAVEHEART:
            You are a young fart. YOU CAN’T SAY YOUR AND OLD FART UNTIL YOU HIT THE BIG “60”
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

            • Sgt. Dale

              N.R.
              We can say we are OLD FARTS.
              Brave is a young turd (LOL), but we love him. He is our little brother!
              Sgt.

      • Mcdave

        Winters are hard on older folks like us.

    8. honestly?

      If you’re not in deep country yet……

    9. eppe

      Something has to be done, and soon….

      This will MAKE you sick!
      The Cato Institute released a study showing that welfare benefits pay more
      than a minimum wage job in 33 states and the District of Columbia.
      Even worse, welfare pays more than $15 per hour in 13 states.

      According to the study, welfare benefits have increased faster than minimum
      wage. It’s now more profitable to sit at home than it is to earn an honest
      day’s pay.

      Hawaii is the biggest offender, where welfare recipients earn $29.13 per
      hour, or a $60,590 yearly salary, all for doing nothing.

      Here is the list of the states where the pre-tax equivalent “salary” that
      welfare recipients receive is higher than having a job:

      1. Hawaii : $60,590
      2. District of Columbia : $50,820
      3. Massachusetts : $50,540
      4. Connecticut : $44,370
      5. New York : $43,700
      6. New Jersey : $43,450
      7. Rhode Island : $43,330
      8. Vermont : $42,350
      9. New Hampshire : $39,750
      10. Maryland : $38,160
      11. California : $37,160
      12. Oregon : $34,300
      13. Wyoming : $32,620
      14. Nevada : $29,820
      15. Minnesota : $29,350
      16. Delaware : $29,220
      17. Washington : $28,840
      18. North Dakota : $28,830
      19. Pennsylvania : $28,670
      20. New Mexico : $27,900
      21. Montana : $26,930
      22. South Dakota : $26,610
      23. Kansas : $26,490
      24. Michigan : $26,430
      25. Alaska : $26,400
      26. Ohio : $26,200
      27. North Carolina : $25,760
      28. West Virginia : $24,900
      29. Alabama : $23,310
      30. Indiana : $22,900
      31. Missouri : $22,800
      32. Oklahoma : $22,480
      33. Louisiana : $22,250
      34. South Carolina : $21,910

      Now do you think we should reform welfare?

      • RICH99

        Yes, but the cost of living is high in HI.

        • Kulafarmer

          And then people wonder why i am done with busting my ass to be sucessful

          • db427

            don’t give up just yet brother, success will be measured in a diff. spectrum.

            • lastmanstanding

              No body said he/we have given up.

              We just figured it out…Remember, they made the rules.

          • Ugly

            Kula,
            You don’t work harder, you work smarter. Our future is not harder work, but smarter work. I am not working harder so I can give most of it away to the ‘freeloader’ or to USA’s overspending mess.

            On Giant Pumpkins. You need to prune early and get the vine supporting just one pumpkin. Then you will nail a 600+ pounder.

            • Kulafarmer

              How many months?

              • Ugly

                I was able to raise 3 400-500 pounders under one vine in about 5 months. I started in May and then transplanted the plant around June 5 (pumpkins hate frost, it can freeze as late as June 23 here in eastern Idaho). I let them grow until we had a hard frost @September 20. Two of the pumpkins were about 450 lbs and we rolled them to the front yard so the neighbors could see. The other one was too heavy, so I had to smash it later in the garden.

                The key is the right seed and also early pruning where you select your 1-3 pumpkins for growth, all other new pumpkins get pruned. You want the 1-3 pumpkins to grow as fast as possible. I know the Giant Pumpkin growers that consistently raise 1300+ pounders feed the vine pretty heavy with NPK fertilizer. Once the pumpkins are around 100 lb, they feed the vine as to keep the vine healthy as the pumpkins are growing fast.

                If you want the big, big pumpkin then you must prune early and select that special one very early and nurture it throughout its growth until a frost hits, or it dies.

          • Northern Reb

            KULA:
            I WILL GIVE YOU A GIANT AAMMEENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            I’M TIRED OF BUSTING MINE ALSO AFTER SEEING THOSE LAZY AS$$$ NO EVENTRYING TO FIND WORK.I’M DONE IN 23 MONTHS. NO MORE PAYING FOR THEM OUT OF THE TAXES I PAY EVEY YEAR. I HAVE NOT SEEN A REFUND OVER $300 IN 18 YEARS. AND ISEE ZOOMBIE MOPES GET $4 TO 5,000 BACK AND THE ONLY PAID IN $1200. GGGGRRRRR!!!!!!!!
            S.T.S.FP. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • FarmersDaughter

            No.. we need to make what we deserve. Except, if we want to charge a (good) price for our product, we are considered “amoral”, but Im not complaining. I have been making over $1000 a head for my beef and it seems to be getting better.

        • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

          Why reform it, just join it. Why ain’t Georgia on that list? At first I thought I would move in with my Cuz in Memphis but Tennesse ain’t on that list either. So I guess I’ll just stay here and live off his supplies.

          • 1braveheart

            Idiot, the family will shoot your ass if you try to break into that barn.

            • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin

              Cuz, what are you talking about breaking into that barn? That’s where I live! Me and your other Cuz sleep in the loft. He’s been eating on your supplies too.

        • louis XIV

          An argument for the “safety net” being a fixed cash sum, regardless of location. Recipients would find the cheap places to live.

      • JayJay

        Know why Ky. isn’t on that list??
        I believe here you must sign up at the employment office to get unemployment benefits–and we know that ain’t happening for about 75%!! 🙂

      • db427

        @eppe,
        just for kicks, could you put an R or D for those states?

        • DaisyK

          The ones in the top 20, except for Wyoming and North Dakota are blue. The farther down the list, the redder they get.

          WY and ND had a lot of revenue from oil and gas, so I guess they have lots of money to spare. Here in Wyoming, there is money for lots of things that other states don’t seem have, such as prisons (and long prison sentences), roads, schools, low property and sales taxes, no income taxes…

        • Ugly

          From my calculations, 22 of the 34 (65%) are Democrats and 12 of the 34 (35%) are Republican. But the top 12 are all Democrat (100% of tops). Idaho is not in the top 35, which is mostly R.

          FDR and LBJ have the Great Deal that is followed by Dems today, and that is where they get their votes…..

          • Northern Reb

            UGLY:
            You are 100% correct. Thanks for backing me up on that,or am I backing you up on that???
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

          • John_Allen

            Ugly,

            Check out Bert Folsom Jr., New Deal or Raw Deal. One of his chapters goes into detail about FDR’s shifting charity from personal and private to top-down government. FDR’s intent was to destroy Americans’ work ethic. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. Why do that? To make as many Amuricans dependent upon gubmint as possible. So they will vote for their benefactors.

      • DaisyK

        Eppe,

        Before I retired, I worked for the US Census. One of the surveys I did was the only poverty survey, SIPP (Survey of Income and Program Participation). One of the things I discovered is that they don’t count welfare, etc. benefits when computing poverty. So a person could have food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid, earned income credit, child care credit, free school lunches, etc. etc. etc. and they only count earned income, investment income, Social Security and the like when they compute poverty levels. We asked if people received those benefits, but never asked the amounts.

        Another thing I discovered was that most people receiving government assistance had big screen tv’s (and usually tv’s in every bedroom), computers, washers, dryers, central heat, air conditioning, refrigerators, cell phones for every member of the family, and on and on and on.

        When I was young, most of those things didn’t even exist or hardly anyone had them. We had no air conditioner, no central heat — just a coal stove in the living room. My attic bedroom got to over 100 degrees in the summer, and well below freezing in the winter. My mother washed clothes in a wringer washer and hung them on the clothesline to dry. We had an ice box, not a refrigerator, and the ice man delivered ice about 3 times per week. We got one pair of shoes per year — two sizes too big — and if we wore them out or outgrew them, we went barefoot all summer. I had two dresses for school, one to wear and one to wash. TV didn’t come to our town until I was in grade school, and we didn’t have one, even then. Yet we thought we were in the middle class.

        When interviewing a 90-year-old man one time, I mentioned all of the above. He said, “My mother used a washboard; we had an outhouse; and my mother made all my clothes — I never had any store bought clothes until I got into the army.”

        Poverty is relative. In response to your post — they should start counting ALL of the income and benefits people receive when calculating poverty. The government claims that X% of us live in poverty and people think that means children are starving. They picture children living in shacks, wearing rags, and having spindly legs and swollen stomachs.

        • hammerhead

          daisyk , you are rifgt , poverty is relative to the way a person is raised .
          The gov. dont count entitlements and they keep raising the income level that determines poverty .
          This way they can get more people on entitlements.
          Soon someone making 100k will be eligible for a free phone and EBT card .
          Another big spoonful of socialism , yummy .

          • DaisyK

            Hammerhead,

            Families making NEARLY 100k are already eligible for government subsidies — Health Insurance Subsidies.

            I recently found out that as a “family” of one, I would qualify for subsidized home heating. I would easily qualify because the income limit for a 1-person household is $19,999.00. If you qualify for heating help, your home also qualifies for weatherization help.

            When the SHTF, people will find out what REAL poverty is.

          • louis XIV

            People in many countries all over the world would give their left nut to be able to be “poor” in USA.

        • Ugly

          DaisyK.

          That is why I have no desire to work harder and pay more taxes, just so folks can sponge off the system with so-called ‘earned-income?’ tax credits, Section-8 housing, food stamps, free education, free obanaphones, and the list goes on. We work and ‘they’ get.

          I am going to win by living a Primitive Lifestyle. When I go for a jog wearing Kakhi Shorts and the Oregon-Waffle shoes, I will tell ‘dude’ sorry, but I have decided to ‘screw-off’ today as well….

          I do not donate to food banks anymore. But what I will donate will be a map to the Employment Office and an Application for Employment. It will be tough-love….

      • sixpack

        “Now do you think we should reform welfare?”

        Maybe we should reform the high cost of living, and the huge job shortage problem. Maybe we should reform the “part time” nation into a full time nation of employed people.

        If we reformed those things, the welfare system would pretty much reform itself.

        You can’t make the world better by starving people out of their homes, you need to make it preferable for them to work again, like it used to be.

        • DaisyK

          Sixpack,

          I recommend several steps to reforming welfare. Your ideas are good.

          But, here are some more:

          Put stronger fines/jail sentences for companies who hire illegal workers, including undocumented aliens, as well as underage workers. Double fines/sentences for employers who pay less than minimum wage or knowingly accept false ID’s and Social Security numbers.

          Enforce our borders and deport every illegal who breaks our laws (including identity theft.)

          Bring manufacturing back to the US. Get rid of the trade agreements that send jobs overseas.

          Stop ruining our currency with buget deficits.

          Enforce laws aimed at eliminating monopolies. (I forget what those are called.)

          Raise the minimum wage. (I am sure lots would disagree with that.)

          Get rid of Obamacare.

          Keystone pipeline, anyone?

          • DaisyK

            Oh, and I keep forgetting the point I originally meant to make.

            They need to start counting one subsidy when considering eligibiligy for another. For example, if you get food stamps, that amount should be counted when applying for rent assistance, etc….

          • sixpack

            Great post Daisy! I just don’t believe in jerking the rug out from under ANYBODY, unless they’ve got something else to hold onto. Punishing people without leaving them any way to escape is wrong. It’s more like torture.

          • gun

            Raise the minimum wage will reduce jobs. How are you going to Bring Jobs back to the USA? be specific. I always hear this, but nobody knows how. I would cut back on the enviromental impact studies and other high cost permits. If you can get rid of the 30 million ILLEGALS, that would just about fix everything from high heathcare cost, some voter fraud, over populated prisons, crime, to high auto insurance. And Have workfare, not welfare, and ran by the counties not the Feds.

            • gun

              And get rid of corperate welfare….taking tax dollars and giving it to corperations for campain donations.

            • DaisyK

              To Gun:

              My post was about reforming welfare — not creating jobs. Although we need jobs to get people off welfare, but when there is such a disparity between minimum wage and what you can get on welfare, there is little incentive to get off welfare.

              A two-pronged attack is necessary — more jobs, less reason to be on welfare.

            • Barn Cat

              No, you don’t need to get rid of the illegals to bring back jobs. You need to roll back all of new government regulations that were passed since Bush II was president. You need to make drastic cuts to taxes and government spending. But none of that would matter anyway because the dollar is dying due to all the money printing.

              • lastmanstanding

                BC…and while we are at it let’s shitcan the US Census Bureau…it’s real existence is nothing more than collecting info on citizens for tax purposes.

                The politically correct description of USCB is it is “responsible for producing data about the American people and economy.”

                Just another $400 billion dollar a year rathole for commies, gub, corps and bankers to rob the productive.

                • louis XIV

                  Maybe get rid of the census bureau, but a census every 10 years is constitutionally required.

                • lastmanstanding

                  Louis…I agree…the organization has been exploited and every fucking politician there has ever been used it as a means to redistribute wealth to favored corps, businesses and constituents for one thing.

                  votes.

            • kimintn

              @gun heard a suggestion on the radio for jobs; start to upgrade our grid, build factories to make the parts and you create jobs for the next 50 years. use our own fossil fuels for the next 50-100 years while designing and developing more efficient solar/wind/alt energy to be ready for use within a 50 year window. how’s that for starters?

          • Hunter

            You left out one major detail/recommendation!

            Get rid of ‘affirmative-action’ hiring quotas…hiring and advancement to be based on MERIT ONLY!!!!

      • 1braveheart

        Eppe, that’s a very interesting chart. TN and GA were left out. The amounts for our 2 home states are probably not much different anyway.

      • Yunis

        CATO institute is a right-wing think tank and off course it is going to draw hostile attention towards the poor. U.S. welfare is non-existant compared to that of highly developed European countries. The enemies of the American people are the billionaires who have taken the economy hostage. Shame on Americans for not understanding this.

    10. Ted Kennedy

      Less than 10,000 bankers/(brokers) to go.

      • db427

        changes her own oil and spark plugs, how cool is that

    11. larry 1356

      I do believe that if I was a banker with incriminating evidence, I would document it and make sure it became public if something happened to me.

      • Sierra Dave

        Exactly what I was going to post.

        A message to you crooks. You are expendable. If TPTB think you are a risk, goodbye. Best to get some leverage and use it to protect yourselves.

        At the very least. You can get some revenge from beyond the grave by supplying the world with information to put your murderers in jail.

        • eppe

          Pull off a Snowden?

          • sixpack

            exactly. The only reason Snowden hasn’t been offed is because they can’t be sure to contain the damage he might be able to cause. Mexican standoff.

            • Gwyn

              To Sierra Dave, Eppe, and Six Pack – I recently read that Edward Snowden has given all his information to (I just recall this # when I read the article, 1,200 people/sources) These people are holding his information and just ‘sitting on it.’ Edward Snowden told these people that if he ‘Disappeared, or, was Killed’ to start releasing all the information he provided them.
              I wish I copied the link to the article. I just tried to find the link again, and there is a ton of E. Snowden
              links to wade through.

      • Barn Cat

        And how would you go about making it public? Stand on a street corner and hand out copies? Sent it to a newspaper that’s already on the same side as the banksters? Put on your website and let the government shut it down?

    12. The Lone Ranger

      I feel so badly for the families of these men. (I am assuming all are men.)

      Their deaths bring to mind the Lloyds of London study who in 1965 I think it was calculated the odds of all those witnessees to President Kennedy’s Assassination dying within 24-months of 11/22/63– the odds were astronomical!

      (Knowing the odds of winning one Powerball, imagine being able to win seven Powerball lotteries in a row.)

      It also brings to mind the deaths of so many fine scientists, many of them microbiologists, the last 2-7 years.

      I believe these Bankers are being assassinated because:
      – they can identify the true culprits of the coming complete financial collapse to which we are very near;
      – they are being killed because they can verbalize and articulate the who, what, when, and how of it;
      – and they are being killed so they can be conveniently be scapegoated, that is, assigned the blame for the dollar becoming totally worthless, and if you know anything about scapegoating, the people assigned the blame, especially when they are dead, are NOT the ones responsible for the evil doing.

      Let us pray, then, for their souls and for their family members.

      Let us also pray for their murderers and those who ordered their deaths because if they do not repent and turn back to God, they will be spending an Eternity in Hell. The devil really hates people who convert and turn away from evil.

      So except for keeping in a minimum to pay bills, get your money out of the bank.

      Convert it to worthwhile preps like water and nonperishable food but do so prudently because you may identify other needs such as winter clothing, small portable solar equipment to recharge batteries for your lights, and so forth and so on.

      It is going to happen fast, and whatever “it” is, “it” will consist of various different events happening simultaneously:
      – the aforementioned banking collapse;
      – pandemic virus capable of killing 1 of every 2 people;
      – power grid shutdowns;
      – food shortages;
      – patrolling foreign soldiers;
      – a HAARP-created earthquake on the New Madrid Fault line
      – a HAARP-created Tsunami

      We have already seen what they can do by aiming the HAARP machine at parts of the country that never get snow, sometimes get snow, and who get fair amounts of it. The result? Chaos and disruption.

      Defeat chaos and disruption by thinking ahead. You are your own Chess Master, in fact, you are your only Chess Master. Don’t let them capture your Queen, or King.

      Outthink, outflank, outhustle. Don’t get checkmated.

      And know when to step off the playing board.

      Yes, you will need at some point to step off the playing board because your opposition– those who want to see four-fifths of Americans die in death camps, stadiums, and zillions of our shopping malls who have contracts with the government– are mean, nasty, toxic, venomous people whose allegiance is not to the Constitution nor to the God you and I pray to.

      – the Lone Ranger

      “Violence is that which violates. Force is that which protects.” – the late Rev. Edward J. Brady, S.J.

      http://www.JohnLeary.com
      http://www.theWarningSecondComing.com

      • Be informed

        @ Lone Ranger. You are a good person with good values, but HAARP is NOT responsible for the snow in the south. You say that there are places that have never gotten snow. I have a list of national weather records that say much different. It has snowed in Florida, it got -2 in Tallahassee on Feb.13, 1899. February snowstorms in the south are much more common that people realize. These are records long before any HAARP was functioning, including before man had anything in the sky but blimps and balloons.

        HAARP is NOT going to set off the New Madrid. The movement of the North America plate will eventually cause this and the influence from the other plates such as the Caribbean plate.

        HAARP is not going to generate a tsunami. The mere talk that anything set off the Japanese tsunami other than the geophysical aspect of this from the planet is something belonging in those gossip newspapers in which Elvis is secretly still singing at some bar in Memphis. The tsunami became so large because of dynamic overshoot from too much energy being released that it affected the shallow crust above it. This has happened with most earthquakes over about 8.9, including the 1960 Chile and 1964 Alaskan mega earthquakes.

        You are way too good of a person to put these misconceptions into your comments about HAARP or other fairy tales such as others still believe that a collapse of the Canary Islands can create a 300 foot tsunami on the east coast. Something that at 3500 miles away did not even happen with the dinosaur killer asteroid if the asteroid was about 6-8 miles in size.

        One of the subjects that schools don’t teach is size perception and volume in school. Then people like yourselves are very unfairly taken in by fools that don’t know what they are talking about or are purposely fudging the numbers to make it appear that something is real. It is not your fault, I blame these characters that print these articles that just sound good, but under scientific scrutiny are completely shown to be utter garbage.

        To get a sense of just how large a fault such as the New Madrid is in just length alone go out and long at the horizon. If you are 6 feet tall on a flat ground you can see about 3 miles before the horizon disappears. The formula for this is 1.22 times the square root of the heighth in feet you are viewing the horizon. You have to be up about 27000 feet to be able to see the horizon of 200 miles at which some of the New Madrid would break. Now factor in the width of the fault and the depth AND the plates that are holding this in place until it does snap and you can see just what enormous amount of energy it would take to generate an earthquake there.

        I have said this before. IF HAARP generates hurricanes then why has not one hurricane been created in cold or cool water such as off of california or even down in Peru? IF HAARP is some Star Trek or Star Wars miracle of science then WHY has this not broken records that defy basic science and basic physics? Why, because it is not happening.

        You have very good points about the Constitution and God and good and evil, and many others, I suggest that you don’t water down these with this about fantasy HAARP stories. Yes, it does and has snowed heavily in the deep south, especially in February. Weather records from more than 100 years show this. HAARP was not around back then.

        • PKLauLau

          BI: You are crazy smart and I love your posts…..but HAARP is real.

          PKLauLau

          • PKLauLau

            Hey Mac: Will you do a piece on HAARP?

            PKLL

            • admin

              PK, thanks for the comment… I have been following HAARP technology for as long as I can remember… since highschool and the old Jeff Rense web site sightings.com … True I have not discussed in detail on this site, but if something pops up I will most certainly put something out there… We have a developer currently trying to get our forum finalized, and once done, I will be sure to include a forum for Science/Technology related posts — we can share all we want about HAARP in there!

              Thanks and have a good one!

              Mac

              • Maudy Frickett

                I think HAARP is temporarily shut down.

              • Hunter

                Mac-

                If nothing else, perhaps an expose’ of ‘SCALAR WEAPONRY’..
                the two are intertwined.

          • Barn Cat

            No, it isn’t. The storms aren’t manmade. God controls everything. We’re going to see more and more extreme weather as we get closer to the Great Tribulation period.

            • ADM

              Meh I figured the issues with the weather were caused by Fukushima. If a volcano can cause a long winter, can’t a nuclear oops? Seriously, the time window is 1.5-3 years for a nuclear disaster to cause issues with the weather including causing stall lines. When I hear Haarp I shrug. It makes more sense that this is related to the disaster than anything else. Didn’t we have a long winter a few after Mt. St. Helens?

              • Be informed

                ADM. Fukushima didn’t release the dust that would blocked out the Sun that a volcano that blows does. Think of Fukushima as one of those Hawaiian volcanoes that just bubbles over and over and over into the sea.

              • lastmanstanding

                volcanoes vs. fukashima…last time I looked, volcanoes were part of the earth, created during the creation of the earth.

                Two completely different things.

            • lastmanstanding

              Spot on BC…I love it when people think that man actually has the intelligence/ability to control the earths forces. Although our gub has pissed away billions of hard-earned dollars in its attempt to control the weather.

              I’m not even going to get started on harp…thanks for the only right answer.

          • Be informed

            @ PKLauLau. Please check the message to Lone Ranger, it explains much about shear volume and mass and how something like HAARP just doesn’t have the energy to cause the New Madrid to break. It doesn’t even have the energy to cause a 4 pointer which has about only 60,000,000,000 joules of energy to it.

            • PKLauLau

              BI:

              Respectfully….please dig deeper…

              PKLL

          • JayJay

            HAARP–is very real.

            • Paranoid

              So is Chocolate, real; but it does not cause earthquakes. Try digging a small hole with a shovel something only 6 ft on a side. Even a hole that tiny is a lot of effort, Then imagine a chunk of dirt 300 MILES long 100 wide and 5-6 thick. Several large buried H Bombs MIGHT get something to move that was going to move shortly anyway, but nothing smaller. The Earth is HEAVY!!!

            • Them Guys

              HAARP from all I read is used to try to heat or cool the upper air and various atmospheric layers high above earth. Thats done to try to make it rain more or less depending on areas its pointed at etc..

              Regardless What it is or aint…I did see on LIVE TV CSPAN a us senate hearing once that had finestien get in a fast huff when some Other us senator asked the “wrong” questions about “Weather Modifications programs” or something like that.

              Soon as he asked of it, finestein jumped in and demanded the hearing be closed to public viewing, cspan went dark a moment or so, and the final words I heard finestien say was “We will continue these costs talks etc in Closed door session for the remainder of hearing”

              If I recall correct sen boxer discussed total years costs for weather mods us govnt funded research, and the guy at the table with answers said something like “we have been granted aprox $150-Million Last year but will need Much More for next budget Increases for weather modifications projects”

              Sooooo….Regardless what or what not Haarp is or aint…What are they doing that can posibly cost that much per year?…And Why are They trying to Play God in weather mods?

              And Yes if haarp is truely capable now or in future to change weather drasticaly…It could be used as a sort of weapon. Like cause extreme heat or cold, vast lack of needed water or too much and flood areas etc…

              One thing CERTAIN! Most anythung Fed govnt does, gets screwed up worse, costs way too much, and benifits Very FEW…Few as in Finestiens Husbands never ending list of New corps or companies invented two weeks before She is going to authorize vast hundreds of millions dollars expence of tax payer cash to fund another boondoggle..

              Finestiens latest swindle TO benifit her husbands corps was to Grant His company aprox $250 Million to repair roofs on several IRAQ “Former used” military housing unit buildings etc….That grant was just After another scam Finestien swindled so her Husbands OTHER companies got almost $275 Million dollars or so for yet another boondoggle…ps: those new roofs in iraq are on empty no longer used buildings!!!

              PLUS Finestien also made Certain her Husbands brand New aquisition of just Over 51% of all Stocks in some real estate co, so hes Now controlling stock Owner..

              Got yet another cushy grant of fed moneys and ability to have SOLE profits from All sales of current Freddi-mac etc owned foreclosed home mortgages!….His gaurenteed profit Minimum is like, 6% or 7% for every home resold!

              But Hes hired a 1/2 dozen other real estate co’s to do the actual selling of homes etc!

              What I raed says finestiens husband should CLEAR at LEAST $500 Million in a couple years from That deal alone!

              All he invested in the orig stocks to Own 51% and be main controler of said real estate co, was aprox $42 Million of His cash…But less than TWO weeks later when his wife sen finestien comitted fed govnt cash to Husbands real estate co in a NO/zero-Bids action, his $42 Mill stock buy went to Over $200 Million stock valuse in less than Two weeks! plus the ongoing profits by sales of several MILLION Foreclosed homes!

              Somebody Please make certain shes the first bitch strung UP!…She Has to be the absolute worst Kommie bitch next to hillery we ever had…Worse than bella Kuhn even since at least she finally confessed to congress the real truth about various bolshevik jewish run kommie stuff back in 1940’s or was it 1950’s(?)…For every ‘convert” like bella, we have several Hundred like finestien that will Never change for the better it seems eh.

        • The Lone Ranger

          Be Informed,

          First. thank you most kindly for your very gracious and respectful response! Wish we were neighbors. And I mean that sincerely.

          Second, your scientific knowledge is astounding. Wow.

          Third, I have a question for you. If this is not HAARP, then why did http://www.beforeitsnews.com, earlier in the week, show documentation that it, in fact, IS Haarp?

          Fourth, you write that “HAARP is NOT going to set off the New Madrid.”

          How do you know that?

          How do you know they will not use that machine to focus its energy on that vulnerable fault line?

          Do you actually work with HAARP and know its true capabilities and what it is not capable of?

          How can you deny that these same people are the ones who give us organism-infested Chem Trails, Vaccines with crap in it that causes autism in young children, and food that has pesticide in the kernel of the seeds that produced it, aka, genetically modified food, which give us cancer? How can you believe (if you do) that the deaths of all these bankers is just a coincidence?

          In other words, could it be that the capabilities of HAARP are classified and that you are operating only from what is “known”?

          I think there is one difference between you and me and that is this: your base of knowledge (and it is a vast one!) is a deep treasure trove of scientific facts from what is known so far (you are so learned!), whereas my base of knowledge is the human heart and what it is capable of, such as deception, lies, destruction, etc.

          As you already know, our government is filled with deception and lies and it is wielding destruction on everyone through obamacare, protecting Monsanto, and I could go on and on.

          With respect, you are very factual. Incredibly learned. But facts are not enough.

          For example, it is a fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested for killing President Kennedy but the truth is that the vast majority of scientific and other evidence show otherwise.

          The fact is that millions of people suffer from malnutrition and die from hunger but the truth is that we have more than enough land and food to feed everyone.

          The fact is that our cars run on gas produced from oil but the great inventor Nicola Tesla (who created that haarp machine but not for bad purposes) powered a car from electricity for free that he sucked in from the atmosphere.

          The fact is that we pay high utility bills but Tesla demonstrated the 100% free wireless transmission of electricity around the planet.

          Certainly, facts must serve the truth, but can never be solely identified AS the truth, the whole truth!

          If I am wrong about that, then all the articles that Mac posts here are simply poppycock, meaningless, and in no way connected to the (negative) capabilities of the human heart.

          Again, I wish we were neighbors! But we must connect the dots because failure to do so only serves to make us both vulnerable and victimized.

          – the Lone Ranger

          “Facts are the enemy of truth!” – Don Quixote (by Miguel de Cervantes)

          • Mcdave

            @ Lone Ranger,
            BIN is a questionable source of info. Not always, but often.

          • Be informed

            @ Lone Ranger. Before its News also has posted on the number two story about the earthquake on the Georgia/ South Carolina border region as a 5.4. This is an utter lie because it registered on every seismic station I have seen as a 4.1 to a 4.4. Check out this false information that is being accepted by thousands of people as fact. 5.4 looks better than JUST a 4 pointer. Notice the plea from this article for financial aid.

            I have seen so many stories about garbage on Before it News that deceives people from THE TRUTH. There are some true stories on there that have value, many belong in those tabloid magazines.

            HAARP does not have the energy required to trigger or cause an earthquake from a fault not ready to go. Even the Hadron Collider is doubtful to cause an earthquake from a fault not ready to go. Triggering an earthquake is not just some narrow beam of energy that causes it to blow. It is millions of cubic miles of mass that determines when the New Madrid breaks. It is not just the fault, it is the plates that will finally let it loose. HAARP would have to have energy millions or more likely billions of times the energy to cause something like this.

            HAARP is however something that is a detection tool that can predict when an area of fault is ready to go. It can see the stress building and the government of course would not tell anyone about the New Madrid getting ready to go. It can see what is happening with the weather and what is occurring with fronts and pressure changes. Alterning the weather is something that has way more to do with the ocean temperatures than the air ciculations. I have yet to see one hurricane develop in cold water. IF HAARP can generate and create a hurricane out of the blue there is sure no record of this.

            Hurricane Sandy was a result of decades of no hurricane forming in the Atlantic basin, other than the one in 1938 and Hurricane Gloria in 1985. New York has been hit by five category 3 hurricanes in the past 100 years, so this is not rare. Massachusetts been hit by 2. Sandy followed a very similar path to Gloria. The underwater topography plays a huge role in the way hurricanes get their energy from the warm water. You can watch Sandy weaken over certain spots and then gain strength, this is all due to warm currents being channelled in a certain direction from the Gulf Stream. After Sandy this will change in the future like it did after 1938 and 1985.

            I of course don’t work with HAARP but I know a lot about mass and volume of energy. People don’t understand just how much energy is in earthquakes and hurricanes and what it keeps them going. HAARP has not produced any hurricane or sustained it in cold water. The Californian currect is cold upwelled water where the temperature seldoms gets above 72 degree off the coast any than during an El Nino. Which is exactly when tropical storms have hit California like on Set.25, 1939 and tropical depression Norman that hit California in 1978 and destroye the raisin crop. HAARP has not created any hurricane over the cold waters of Peru where the water is so cold that Peru is often covered in fog and 20 degrees below where it would be at the same latitude if the water was not so cold.

            I have seen absolutely NO evidence that would suggest that HAARP has done anything over the ordinary in earthquakes or the weather. Every single major earthquake has had a precursor foreshock before it happened. I can trace back every single weather related event and not one of them is out of the ballpark unusual. They may break records, but not by huge differences.

            They were talking about HAARP creating the snow in Egypt and Israel. Yet snow has fallen many decades ago before HAARP in areas further south than than this. If it snowed in Taipei, Taiwan today which is at 25 degrees north, just 100 miles north of the Tropic of Cancer HAARP would be blamed. Yet this city is rated as having at least one snow day each year on the average. This is because of the mass of super cold air in Siberia that sometimes filters down far south, just like the Canadian air that sometimes gets far south in the U.S. Back on Jan.19, 1977 it snowed in Tampa, Floria. If this happened today, it would have to be HAARP.

            There is 63,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy from an 8.0 earthquake. The HAARP emits a 3.5 megawatt pulse and this is going to cause something in the petajoule range to blow? The energy of a 8.0 is equal to some of the largest hydrogen bombs ever detonated. 63,000,000,000,000,000 joules of energy released from 3.6 megawatts? Yeah right. These people are deceiving good people like you with fairy tales. This is what is so nice about math and figures, there is no conspiracy behind this. IF it “don’t” add up with raw math it is crap.

            Lone Ranger, please read on wikipedia about HAARP, especially the section under conspiracy therioes and see that HAARP doesn’t even equal the energy in lightnig flashes. I hope your Sunday is going well today. I do value the other issues you talk about, you have a lot of good things to talk about.

            • Paranoid

              IF HAARP could cause a hurricane they would do it in Ca those liberals need rain to get tax money. People you need to understand SIZE of things. All the 10’S of thousands of huge windmills in the USA generate 60 Billion watts of power. As much as 60-80 Big Nuke plants. Far more than HAARP uses, and they don’t even slow down the wind. A class 3-5 hurricane has power to make them look like toys. A big earthquake moves mountains, not air.

              • Be informed

                @ Paranoid. Exactly. MAYBE HAARP “might” have some use as a weapon on human tissue. You look at one of those stun devices and how it can knock someone flat on their back with minimum power. Moving a mass of rock hundreds of miles long, dozens of miles wide and miles deep? Not on this world.

            • PKLauLau

              BI: Respectfully, Wikipedia is only about 50% correct, it is not the go to source. It is like that other left leaning site that often debunks the “truth”….dang, I can’t remember the name….husband and wife team….

              I ran across some articles and watched some videos a few years back, they had govt data, govt people talking (in secretly taped presentations) about weather modification, etc., with HAARP….they have patents for manufactured snow and other geo-engineering weather stuff…

              Go to dutchsinse on you tube. Read his articles, watch the HAARP and scalar stuff happen in realtime right before a giant storm hits (or creates one). Watch the pulses actually change the rotation of a hurricane and move it towards or away from something. He has amazing information and they keep trying to shut him down…..hummmmm….

              Go to geoengineering.com and read the articles, try and watch the hour long presentation about chemtrails and weather modification, including HAARP….how and why….

              BI, there is too much credible information out there about HAARP….

              I’ll try to find some links and post….

              PKLauLau

            • JohnFornaro

              Don’t bother reading BIN. It never actually becomes news, since it is mostly fantasy fear porn, that I can tell. That’s why it’s “before” news.

            • PKLauLau

              HAARP is using 100 Billion watts now….

              PKLL

              • Be informed

                @ PKLauLau. Just came back to check out previous posts. Even IF HAARP was using 100 billion watts, there is NO WAY this is going to cause the New Madrid to go off. The energy of this is still 600,000 times too tiny to equal the energy of a typical 8 pointer earthquake. Some weather modification such as using large planes to seed hurricanes, perhaps. To steer it, maybe. To create it out of nothing over cold waters, no. I watch hurricanes when they form and not one of them has formed over cold waters or even cool waters. IF HAARP is being used for anything with the weather, it would be steering an already established hurricane.

                • PKLauLau

                  BI: Okay….I guess we are not going to convince each other. Just don’t shut the door on this. All I ask is that you dig deeper. If you are still convinced of your position after your research on this, then I’ll concede the point.

                  PKLauLau

        • louis XIV

          BI is fullof it. I saw Elvis working a Burger King drive thru in Detroit.

          • Paranoid

            Sadly that’s because he is white, nobody works is Motown any more. Try to get an employee.

      • sixpack

        Here’s some of the interesting data I’ve been collecting, about things that happened in 1984—

        At least 14 politicians died in 1984, cause of death for 11 of 14: “unspecified”. Frank Church died of cancer, Indira Gandhi was assassinated, Yuri Andropov died of kidney failure. I didn’t research what each dead politician was into, looking for links, but it might be interesting if someone decided to do it.

        Physicist Pyotr Kapitsa (Physicist) died of “unspecified” cause. He spent 1946 to 1955 under house arrest as punishment for his refusal to participate in atomic weapons research. It might be safe to assume by 1984, he still hadn’t decided to participate…

        Alfred Kastler (Physicist) died of “unspecified” causes. His optical pumping system helped lay the foundational principles of maser and laser. He also spoke out in support of the establishment of Israel, and publicly opposed the proliferation of nuclear weapons and America’s involvement in the Vietnam War. Any one of the three would have been enough to get him ‘disappeared’. You know Hoover had a file with his name on it.

    13. Old Vet

      Dead men tell no tales! The FEAR has been installed into the financial institutions around the globe now; he who may talk will die. But, someone out there will TALK, and mark my word if it hasn’t collapsed before then, all hell will break loose. This just is the way I read the tea leaves. The SH-T sandwich is about to be served open faced.” May the force be with us.”

      • John W.

        I bet the one killed with the nail gun told them everything they wanted to know before he was finished off. Suicide by nail gun. Reminds me of Clintons Arkancides where they shot themselves in the back of the head two or more times.

        • Mcdave

          How many bankers have nail guns in the garage?
          Did he moonlight as a carpenter?
          And really 8 shots to suicide? He must have really hated himself.

          • Calgacus

            Your right. Good comment.
            You nailed it.

      • sixpack

        Someone will eventually talk, but I just hope they don’t talk about it on the phone or put it in an email first…

    14. JayJay

      The Golden Jackass states that the suicided bankers had flipped during prosecution investigations, and were assassinated to prevent insider testimony of bank fraud from reaching the prosecution.

      WE ARE NOT SEEING BAD BANKERS REMOVED

      WE ARE SEEING BANKERS REMOVED WHO ARE ON THE VERGE OF REVEALING BIG DATA DETAILS

      • eppe

        Could not agree more… derivitaves maybe?

      • sixpack

        Absolutely JayJay. When I rant about killing “the bankster”, those bankers that could come forward, are not who I’m referring to. I’m referring to the corrupt ones with they hand in the global takeover.

      • louis XIV

        Bankers who are not as smart as Snowden.

      • sickofitall

        Yes, but they were probably complicit at some point in their careers. I always wonder who is sick enough to carry out TPB and .guv orders.

    15. Northern Reb

      No kidding everyone on this site knows the SHTF is coming soon.
      It’s time to take a step back and count our blessings and PREP even harder.
      My GOD watch over us all and help us through this mess that the zombie mope hand out generation let our so call leaders by voting for them take the country down.
      And no thanks to some of the crooks in the banking industry and those politicians that have lined there pockets with our money.
      It will do them alot of good when everything goes to he!!
      and they can’t buy anything to eat because there money is NO GOOD.
      It’s time to get it over with the sooner the better. I don’t like it but I’m tired of waiting for it.
      I would like to see those Zombie Mopes and Crooked Bankers and Politician have to realy work.
      I mean get real dirt under their nails, bust the hide of thier nuckels, sweat until thier clothes are soaked and their backs hurt. Maybe then we will get a little justice.
      Then the Good Lord can have them. My God have mercy on their souls.
      S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

    16. IIC

      Before when government was corrupt, there was at least the hope that journalism would come and investigate and reveal the corruption, and then the corrupted would be prosecuted.

      Now that mainstream media is in bed with government and the bankers are in bed with the various government acronyms…there is NOTHING that is going to save this nation unless it is a good plague that shows no financial favoritism.

      • Cal

        “… there is NOTHING that is going to save this nation …

        Quit looking to be “saved”. The answer is here:

        The “People” as the Militia of the several states ARE the LAWFUL defenders of ourselves, our families, property, counties, cities, states, and of our nation. So when a state’s Militia goes out to assist a family / city / county / state or the nation itself, the people as the “sovereigns” lawfully call themselves forth, as the ONLY governmental body that is LAWFULLY charged to carryout those duties.

        The Preamble to the US Constitution; starts with: “We the People of the United States do ordain and establish this Constitution”
        ,
        By those words it is saying that “We the People” are the source of any and all legal status of the state and federal governments. “We” created them for specific purposes, and it was NOT to destroy our lives, control us, spy on us, track us, or murder us. Basically all public officials – state and federal representatives, state and federal law enforcement, state and federal judges, the multitude of state and federal bureaucracies – are called “public servants” for a reason – they are literally our hirelings, and many are “temporary workers”.

        The US Constitution and all that is “in Pursuance thereof” it, as the supreme (highest) law of this land in the areas where it has jurisdiction says that “We” (as the Militia of the several states) are personally responsible for maintaining and protecting the US Constitution, each state’s Constitution, and seeing to their enforcement against ALL foes – domestic and foreign. “We” are the ones responsible for enforcing the laws of this land, and are charged with it’s defense plus the defense of our homes, neighborhoods, cities, counties, states, and country.

        Clause 15 requires of the congress: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and REPEL INVASIONS”.

        Clause 16: “To provide for organizing, ARMING, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”.

        This clause is very straightforward also. The militia of each state is taxed with the defense of the USA and her people, not just with the defense of their state; and they are to be armed with weapons that can repel any invasions bearing modern weapons of war. Congress is required to provide those military grade weapons for the militias. The “suppress Insurrections” includes those who are our representatives who are working against the USA and her people. When the congress neglects its duty, then the states can call out the militia. When both are corrupted, then the People can call out the Militia themselves.

        When the founders created the US Constitution they realized that we would never be able to count on state and federal representatives or agencies to protect our lives, property, and freedom. They decided to continue with what the people here had already been using, and the one proven throughout history to have the best needs of the people themselves always put first, the Militia of the several states. Who are the Militia? All able-bodied citizens or those legally allowed to be here between the ages of 18 – 60.

        Each state’s Militia is made up of “We the People”. The Militia has as its constitutionally assigned duties to:

        Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution, Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which is constitutional laws ONLY),
        Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
        “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.

        The US Constitution guarantees to each state its own “Republican form of government”. It is every state’s Militia that is the ONLY Constitutionally assigned force to “counter Invasions” and “Domestic Violence” within our nation.

        You see, the “Hero” is YOU. You, and you, and you, we are all the militia unless you are a part of a governmental agency – they are not allowed.

        Clause 12 specifies that there shall be no military beyond that of two years. The Militia of each state is charged with our nations defense here within the USA until and unless the congress has declared war and a “standing” military is raised:

        “To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”.

        * NOTE: The money that the congress has illegally spent beyond the lawfully allowed time of two years for the support of a “standing military” was/and still is a misappropriation of funds (misappropriation n. the intentional, illegal use of the property or funds of another person for one’s own use or other unauthorized purpose, particularly by a public official…), a felony, a crime against the American people.

        “To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years” is really straightforward, and no “misunderstanding” of the words can be used as an excuse for disobeying that lawfully required duty. The members of congress can be, and should be, held personally responsible for that breach of trust. That is correct, they must pay back the funds used unlawfully out of their personal accounts.
        There can lawfully be no (NO!) standing army except in times of war, and ONLY the congress can lawfully declare war under the contract they get their duties and powers from.

        *War must be declared by congress in order to be a lawful war that our US military are used to fight in, it must be in defense of our nation ONLY which is why so many lies were used as excuses to get us into wars. Since they were not, and are not, lawfully declared wars, ALL who died on all sides make that mass murder, etc that those who serve within our government had a hand in and MUST be fully prosecuted for.
        War cannot lawfully be “declared” against a tactic such as the “war against terror” or the “war against drugs”; both are not wars and not even the congress can declare a war against a tactic.

        *War defined: ‘Open and declared conflict between the armed forces of two or more states or nations’

        Oh, and “emergency powers” are about as lawful as “assassination powers” = First Degree murder; they are both NOT at all a power any of our governments – federal or state – were given.

        Judges ONLY get to remain in the courtroom as long as they are using “Good Behaviour” – keeping the oath and doing their constitutionally assigned duty. It is the People (as a jury) who decide the guilt of innocence, they also decide the law – is it a proper law. if not that laws is to be removed from the books. It is also the people who decide if a judge is using “Good Behaviour” within the courtrooms.

        • IIC

          Your comments “amuse” me on multiple levels:

          1. You can’t even get your close friend or all of your family members to save a pound of rice or a tin of milk, and you hope to rouse the masses to save the Constitution.

          2. While you spout Rule of Law, Rule of Law, like monetary theories, ONLY counts if the majority follows said Rule of Law. Since they are NOT and have absolutely no intention of doing so, you are no more than a squirrel on a wheel running round and round unless you miraculously somehow pull a miracle out of your behind and compel or force them to wake up and care.

          3. This nation is a cancer victim in the throes of death. And while I appreciate your “judging” without knowing me (sarcasm, if you have trouble recognizing it), I might hold out a little more “HOPE” for the nation if it were not foretold that it would fall. Hence, my only “saving” need come from God, not man.

          4. The Devil is in the White House, and he is om control of its resources…and there is not anybody in Congress who can get enough testicles together to stand up for this nation.

          5. You are preaching to the choir.

        • louis XIV

          Long post. Scroll wheel.

          • JohnFornaro

            Page Down key is faster.

        • REB

          Correct…this is the answer…the rule of law even if others dont see it or accept it its still what was intended and what can be again if people will quit cursing the nation and its people into hell by refusing to stand up against the evil simply based on some crazy ideas that this nation has been damned to hell by God or some such thing…very sad when people get so depressed and defeated they think they gotta infect others with it too…good post Cal

    17. swinging richard

      To much money involved for someone not to rig the game. No one seems to be content with what they have, always more, more,and more. You would think by now tptb would have enough and would leave the little guy alone. Hell is real and waiting for them.

      h

    18. Realtime Prep

      People the time to pursue life, liberty, and happiness is over. War is coming, it is all a matter of when the general public becomes tired of the status quo. As of right now the masses are slowly waking up to the fact that the people WE elect to represent US are not doing the job in which they were elected to do. That being said, there is a growing movement to resist, and to NOT COMPLY with the mandates that are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. This is why Our elected President has cast aside the illusion that he is accountable to the people. Unless we as a nation unite together to stand in the way of tyranny, our country will be ripped apart from within.

      RTP

      • knight indullarmor

        We? No way. So much election fraud it was a joke. One candidate getting over 101% of all registered voters in many precincts. The phrase “bring out your dead” has become synonomous with voting and election day.

        • eppe

          Quoting Monty Python is so much fun….On of my favorites…

          • sixpack

            I started watching Monty Python as a teenager. Benny Hill was also one of my favorite.s

          • db427

            ‘little tiny rocks’

      • NC joe

        I wonder, does your pursuit of happiness include those who do see your religion for what it is, a collection of myths, fables and legends used by the weak minded to puff themselves up and dehumanize others? Doubtful. Does you pursuit of happiness include allowing consent adults to love whomever they choose? Doubtful. What you propose is nothing more than exchanging one form of tyranny for another, more nefarious form of tyranny.

        • 1braveheart

          NCJOE, my “pursuit of happiness” would be doing away with a sorry-ass troll like you, so go away.

          • Mcdave

            Thumbs..

        • sixpack

          MY happiness and YOUR don’t need to include the same things. That’s what FREEDOM is.

          • sixpack

            oops—

            MY happiness and YOUR happiness don’t need to include the same things. That’s what FREEDOM is.

            • Hunter

              6-pack-

              Nor are they mutually compatible!

        • IIC

          At a minimum, for people like NC joe: Pascal’s wager, pal.

          About loving whom you would: If the universe runs on “rules,” why do you NOT think that God would NOT too? Did your father have rules? Did your mother? Why can’t you love and marry your dog? Your mail? Your tree in your yard? Your nose hairs?

          Do you REALLY believe that humans came out of primordial ooze? That is SUCH a stretch of the imagination as almost to be laughable, although it is almost as much of a stretch of an imagination to believe that God could love us: because, left to ourselves, humanity sucks.

          However, there comes a time when a person stops trying to help another “see the light,” so it is time to let nature take its course. You’ve heard the call, it’s solely on your head if you don’t heed it.

        • Smokey

          Joe, we’ve been listening to that moral relativity bullshit for decades. It’s a lie. A big lie, that has been repeated often enough to where sorry numbnuts like yourself believe it.

          Goebbels would be proud of you, and Lenin would call you a ‘useful fool’. Lenin got it half right.

        • louis XIV

          If you believe the theory of evolution (most lefties do), homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end.

    19. European American

      The fine print here, is; The Vast Technological Net is almost permanently in place. You can run, but very soon, you won’t be able to hide.

      No matter who you are, where you are, or how you are. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY will be immune, from their veritable kaleidoscope of probing, intrusive, destructive forms of electronic and biological; gadgets, sensors, killing devices.

      Fortunately, it’s all coming down to this…

      Armed Citizens and a Fascist Police State cannot coexist.

      And the verbal bravado (those who stammer like a broken record with “molon labe” and “semper fi”) will only be heard/read, after the dust settles, by those who have literally made it to the “other side”.

      • jerrytbg

        Yes…unfortunately you’re correct on all points…and it will be bloody…

        • Hunter

          quote: “Yes…unfortunately you’re correct on all points…and it will be bloody…”

          ..and most haven’t the foggiest idea how severe the blood-letting/slaughter will be!

          • jerrytbg

            I hope you and yours will be safe…

            Gone in the winds…
            The essence of existence…
            Silent they would have us as our Cassandra wails…

            For it has been told that many will fall…
            Yet many will smite… as numbers they will swell…
            This overwhelming from within…
            Not for us but for them to fear the coming of the winds…

            • jerrytbg

              Yes…in the last 30 minutes…entitled ?????????

      • louis XIV

        molon labia

        • Mcdave

          HA!

    20. Feisty Old Broad

      I find that I am no longer shocked, surprised, or amazed at anything which occurs now….I feel that I know what is coming and am prepared for that event. In the meantime, I am also physically prepared as much as I NEED to be at this point. I guess what I am sharing is that I break down everything to the bare bones…and I have been connecting dots for a very long time…and I continue to arrive at the same destination…..good vs. evil…whatever, however, whenever, it WILL be this way…and those who are in the KNOW will Know what they need to do….
      If you are a person of Faith, allow that Faith to guide you and if you are unsure of Faith, let your instincts guide you…and if/when you do that, you will surely find your Faith…
      Be Well and Be Well Prepared for what evil comes our way

      Faith…Family…Freedom…Forever and Ever…Amen
      fob

      • sixpack

        I am no longer shocked, surprised, or amazed at anything which occurs now, but I AM DISGUSTED to the core.

      • Mcdave

        It really is just that simple.
        Good/Evil
        Right/Wrong
        Black/White
        The “shades of grey” are just a way to lie to yourself and justify or delay the judgment.
        I know I have many transgressions that I must stand judgment for, and I must hold myself responsible.
        Now, I must fight the Good Fight
        It’s all I can do.

        • Northern Reb

          McDave:
          AMEN BROTHER AMEN!!!!!
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

    21. Jibo

      Agreed jayjay, it’s within a quadrillion percentile that anyone would off themselves with a nail gun 7/8 times in the head and torso. It reminds me of an old joke once told to me by an elderly Georgia man, a sheriff was present as the body of a black man was being brought out of the swamp. He was tied with rope at the feet and hands behind his back. Several wraps of steel chain were put around the body after that and padlocked. The sheriff simply exclaimed ” this is the most determined case of suicide I’ve ever seen.”

      I recall the case of Susan Macdougal, whose husband James was Billy bobs former partner in the Whitewater real estate scam. He was convicted and doing jail time when he mysteriously dies of a heart attack in prison. Then, when it’s Susan’s time to testify at the hearing, she suddenly realizes it’s the right thing to do is take a 2 year stretch in jail for contempt the testify against her good friend billy bob.

    22. AC

      ‘Comitted suicide by shooting himself in the head and chest with a nailgun, seven or eight times.”

      Would anybody be surprised if the nailgun was not recovered at the scene?

      • IIC

        Or the nails.

      • louis XIV

        Case solved by microstamping. Registered nail gun.

    23. Joe Mama 3

      Eppe, this is not Fox News, ya old basterd !!! Now go pull up some numbers for Corporate Welfare, please !!!!

      • eppe

        Please, my parents have been married for 55 years, if you got to call me a rude name call me shithead, I might answer to that…lololol…

      • The Old Coach

        That’s YOUR job, JM3. Do you have any?

    24. Buzzfix

      Evil will have it’s day in Hell.

    25. Maudy Frickett

      In Chicago, a democratic precinct captain took a bunch of volunteers to the cemetary to register voters. They were copying names and dates of birth off the tombstones. When the precinct captain noticed a volunteer skipped one of the graves. He asked why? The volunteer said the weeds were too high. The precinct captain scolded him and said, that man has as much right to vote as anyone else here. Sign him up.

    26. N.O. ;0p

      mudder fudder bankers ;0p

      worse the mudder fudder lawyers ;0p

      ZOG AmeriKa truly is a PREDATOR NATION .

      AMERICA IS A LIE

      ;0p

    27. eppe

      I hope that everyone here knows that I joke alot here, just because we all need some laughs here and there. But the truth be said, we may FINALLY getting to end of the line. We do not know what the future brings, but we can do all we can to make our little world better for our group of survivors… I hope for the best, and prep for the worst…

    28. Be informed

      To all the suffering that so many bankers bring to the really hard working people of the world I have but one thing to say to them. Jump you bastards, jump, jump, jump, jump………….!!!!!!!!!!!

      • gun

        they are being pushed for turning.

    29. World Peace Now

      The NSA/CIA complex owns The Congress, The Supremes and The White House.
      No one will be held accountable until names and addresses of the lawbreakers are published.
      Thank You Mr. Snowden!

      • Mcdave

        Yep!

    30. Socrates

      With all of the recent ‘suicides’ one has to wonder why the sudden uptick in them. Why now and all of a sudden?
      2 distinct theories have surfaced in my aging gray matter. I could be way off here and it wouldn’t be the first time.

      1. The banksters were indeed whistleblowers and were going to drop the dime on TPTB corruption and doings. With that said, I’m very surprised that no ‘In the untimely event of my death’ videos or recordings have surfaced yet. Very surprised, indeed.

      2. The banksters were rubbed out because they were going to blow the whistle on something much more sinister than old fashioned corruption and greed. They were going to blow the lid off of some global secret, like an ELE event or other upcoming disaster that would wipe out most of the known world. Same thing happened in the mega disaster movie 2012. The director of the Louvre was going to spill the beans and was subsequently car bombed in a tunnel. A lot of money and resources was funneled into the building of the giant ships that were to save the ‘elite’ that could afford the ticket. Everyone else…was expendable.

      Either scenario is plausible, but I’m not sure which one is more plausible.

      • Be informed

        Third is the simplest and something that happens a lot in the world of greed, they were on the verge of getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Illegal practices goes on all the time in the world of finance. People desperate to get that special house or just a lot of spending money can fall into these scams and they get nailed. Rather than spend some serious prison time they take headers into the pavement. This is just a third possibility and not necessarily the correct assumption. Just look at how many people are convicted each year of embezzlement. Temptation and the thrill of getting away with it can be the sole reason behind this. Could be.

        • JayJay

          **Third is the simplest and something that happens a lot in the world of greed, they were on the verge of getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar.**

          Damn, BI–their hands stay in the cookie jar. News?? Not so much. 🙂

      • The Old Coach

        I’m remembering the plot of Heinlein’s late novel “Friday”. Not the postulated Balkanized America, but the intramural warfare among the Corps. As the financial SHTF, every large bank is going to try to make the other guys take the bigger hit.

        • Hunter

          Your right, per the old axiom…there is no honor among thieves!

      • jerrytbg

        Hey Socrates…

        How about both? In the order you listed…

        • Mcdave

          Or combo of Socrates and BI

          • jerrytbg

            ummmmmmm…yea…. I’ll concede that …as part of the whole picture…

            Hell…I even have staunch left/right paradigm family members… ASKING ME… (the crazy uncle in the attic), what’s going on. Believe me…that is a huge shift in force. Frankly, I would have thought some of you might have felt it…
            🙂

            Scary stuff…

    31. Arbus

      Just an observation. I walked into a Walmart earlier today, I needed a gallon of touch up paint. Why were all of the employees obese and seemingly uneducated? The fat “child” that ran the paint counter screwed up the order, I refused to buy the gallon of paint she mixed because she couldn’t match the sample, after ruining three other gallons and wasting 20 minutes of my time!! Why were nearly all of the customers morbidly obese? I am in my fifties and carry a 25 BMI so I am not obese, I laughed out loud at all of these fat stupid people. So I went to HD and paid $2 more for the paint, but it was mixed by an old paint pro, the salesperson was not obese, and the paint was spot on !! Walmart must stop hiring anyone with a pulse and a huge belly.

      • louis XIV

        The pulse is optional

    32. db427

      the article I read above, was one of the best I’ve read in a long time. and Doug, you better start watching your back as well. this is ‘like you say’ the tip of the iceberg, and there will be hell to pay. do I feel sorry for the fellows that have moved on, not really, for their families yes, them no.. they where the next on the list to do ‘thy bidding, they knew, and sometimes the gamble just doesn’t make sense. they will be replaced with another monkey that will listen’ a little better soon enough. that being said, I have noticed one thing here, and I don’t know if it’s because I’m new or what, but here it is. a lot of new people all of a sudden, granted I’m one of em’ but either their is an awakening, or something else I’m not sure. I wish all of you well, you all seem to be good people, very smart folk here. I have learned quite a few things from many of you, and I have to say ‘thanks’. but this shit is coming, and my magic 8 ball just can’t tell me when.