Exclusive Clip: American Blackout: “There’s Someone At The Fence… They Want Food”

by | Oct 25, 2013 | Emergency Preparedness, Headline News | 657 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    This Sunday night the National Geographic Channel will be airing the premier of their new full length post-collapse feature film.

    Gridlock… Fires… Looting… Panic… All unfolding in real-time.

    If a cyber attack took down the national power grid, would you be ready?

    Imagine 10 days of a catastrophic blackout across the United States. No cell phone service, no ATM withdrawals, no working street lights, no available gasoline … no escape.

    Fact: It could happen.

    On Sunday, October 27, at 9 p.m. ET/PT, the lights will go out.

    American Blackout, National Geographic Channel’s two-hour, edge-of-your-seat movie event imagines the story of a national power failure in the United States caused by a cyberattack — told in real time, over 10 days, by those who kept filming on cameras and phones. You’ll learn what it means to be absolutely powerless.

    Gritty, visceral and totally immersive, see what it might take to survive from day one, and who would be left standing when the lights come back on.

    Check out the following exclusive clip made available by NatGeo for the SHTFplan.com community and see what a collapse will look like from a first person perspective.

    What would you do?

    Dad… There’s Someone At The Fence… They Want Food…

    (Clip Delivered By The Daily Sheeple)

    The lights go out this Sunday, October 27, at 9 p.m. ET/PT
    on the National Geographic Channel.



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      1. That clip looks like this is going to be pretty good. Setting up the DVR for that one.


        • People seem to instinctively know who are well
          prepared, opsec or not.

          It would be best to stop them at the “fence”
          and never be vulnerable to their demands.

          Heartless maybe, practical absolutely.

          • Anyone that would go up to the fence is an idiot. 3-4 shots from the woods, ALL their stuff is gone and so are they. Put up two fences one inside the other and a sign that says: Anyone crossing the first fence will be shot.

            • You know what we are witnessing? The rapid decay of society, much like the later stages of advance cancer. People know on a deep level that not only is SHTF, but this world is in very deep trouble. It could just be a coincidence in regards to the increase of earthquakes, volcanoes, the Sun’s activity, but this is not the case with the human civilization. You see some maniac 14 year old kid use a box cutter to slice up a very nice 24 year old teacher, You see the vicous wanton killing of children going crazy. Not just in the U.S. but all over the world. You see a total lack on unity and support for your country. Most don’t support the Constitution anymore, would rather be politically correct and be good little sheep to their masters. I could go on and on and on with what we see now that we have not as children or even recently.

              This is what is so surprising, that not more are preparing for what is coming. I mean really, what does it take to put away for what your family needs? Even to forget about the mega disasters, just to see the failure and personal SHTF of someone having a catastrophic event in the family, or losing good employment. How freaken hard is it to not put away just because your family may need it. Whom wants to get old stale food at a food bank? Whom wants to worry about having nothing in the house should the power go out all over the city or regionally? Whom wants the insecurity of not having jack and wishing you had, even with a bad illness such as the flu that bed rids all the family? Whom wants to go out to shop for anything with a bad case of diarhea when what you need could have been within arm’s reach? Evidentally 99% of the population.

              This shows just how totally brain dead and totally mentally and physically lazy people are not to have what you need because life can turn for the worst in a hurry, has for millions of people. You just don’t hear about it because no one wants to listen to other people’s misery. That could be you is something that the worthless MSM doesn’t like to cover because it makes BO’s government look exactly like it is, totally inept to do anything about when your ass is in the grinder. Again, it happens all the fricken time to millions, make that tens of millions as the food stamps have reached almost 50 million.

              There is also something that shows the lack of people wanting and thinking ahead. It is more proftiable in many states to be on welfare and totally depend on BO new government. Why store up when the government provides everything you need? WHY, because the government has no plans to be there WHEN the well runs dry. The government will make those pay dearly that need help one day. Of course 99% of the people never see this. Even those with good jobs and security still just know that there will always be that safety net should bad times fall upon them. This is the government plan.

              This is what is so dangerous, that people have absolutely no incentive to prepare. When times fall apart these people have no spiritual or mental strength and will go to where the good smelling aromas are like yesterday’s article talks about. They will pass up perfectly good food growing right in front of them and search out where the Doritos and commercially prepared food is and find it totally picked more clean than what a buzzard would leave of carrion. BO and the government have done to this society in 4 and 1/2 short years and it is only going to get much worse. Sorry about the negativity tonight but SHTF has already occurred on a much slower scale that has eaten away at any stability that people in general had left in them.

              • BI. Don’t apologize for the negativity. Being a prepper can be depressing at times. Because you see all of the pain that is coming and most others don’t. It can be comforting and depressing at the same time.
                It has been a depressing and eye opening week for me. First I find that someone tried to withdraw 400.00 dollars from my bank account using my pay pal account. I caught it but it still pisses me off. Wish I could get my hands on them. Then a friend of mine tells me that his first cousin who was 75 was just robbed and beaten. He died on the way to the hospital. Then all of the negative national news this week about shootings and beatings. It is hard to stay positive. I am pissed off and saddened by it all.
                I grew up and still live in the country. I would not be happy living in the city. I think of all the change in the last 30 years. As a kid we never locked the doors. Played outside all day and our parents did not have to worry about us. If I got in trouble at school I was worried about what my father was going to do. We had manners yes sir, no maam. We helped ladies with there coats and pulled out chairs. We opened doors for ladies and helped our neighbor’s. We loved our God, our Country, and our family. Now that has all changed. We have a new generation that does not go outside, has no manners, does not believe in hard work, and most importantly could care less about god. It is so sad.
                I see the pain coming and wish the people would just wake up. I care about people but I cannot help them when this goes to hell in a hand basket. I have my family to think about first.
                On a positive note I did meet a guy this week at krav maga class that is doing it to prepare for what is coming. hopefully there are more awake people than we know.
                BI I hope your day and week gets better.

                • I could have written this myself, except for the paypal thing. God bless you and I hope you are right that there are more awake than we know……now If there were only a way to tell by looking at someone.

                  • According to data released this month by the Census Bureau…

                    4th Quarter 2011 – Census Bureau: Means-Tested Gov’t Benefit Recipients Outnumber Full-Time Year-Round Workers

                    “There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week.

                    Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

                    That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.”

                    CNS News

                • Good points, men.

                  The world is one catastrophe away from a SHTF situation.
                  It could happen at any moment. I use to believe the preachers, that all the church/christians would mysteriously disappear at “any moment”. Now i know that is a falsehood. But, a catastrophic event that sends the people into utter shock and scrambling for anything of value; food,bottled water, and fuel; can,and probably will, happen in the coming months to a couple years from now.

                  Any of the survival essentials that a family doesn’t have now, will be sought after when SHTF. Some may get lucky and make the strike on those items before the less fortunate. Most won’t be so lucky and will resort to any means of acquiring those things.

                  I hope and pray i never have to use lethal force to protect me and mine, but i am mentally prepared to do so if it comes to it. The little woman, on her own, would lay down and die first. With my urging and support, not to mention the screaming and cursing, she will take up her arms and defend to the death what we have prepped away.


                  • In this theater we are performing there are the sheep, the goats and the men and women who are at least partially or as fully aware of the hell this piece of work in dc has set up for us. I, like you, used to have a pretty strong belief of the rapture taking place before it went in the toilet. Like you my eyes have been opened through educating myself on just where and when this rapture idea came from and it still amazes me that folks hold tight to this “idea” as that is really all there is to it. Personally the actions and overt inactions of ALL of us to come to grips/face-to-face with the criminals running this show from the courts to the scum buckets in dc have guaranteed that we all are going to take a bite or two of this shit sandwich… While my bride of many years doesn’t want me to tell her what the daily status is of the degenerating perverts across the globe, she, like your bride will take up arms beside me and ours when the time comes. I, too, pray I’ll be around to take care of her and the family but in the end it doesn’t matter because I know how the last bite of this shit sandwich ends up…. Pray to be able to preserve, prep with an awareness of the time and protect that which you have been blessed with. dj

                  • @PWTW;I feel the pain of prepping also,even amongst those whom I’d considered broad-minded enough to see the storm clouds on the horizion and refuse to acknowledge the obivious. Hopefully this show Sunday will open some eyes because I just can’t afford to keep putting it out there for the sake of my own sacrifices and family as I’ve seen what people will do when SHTF. Neighbors around me are Sec.8;on food stamps,somewhat “ignorant”as once The sheriff had to shoot 2 pitbulls that came from their yard,into his,killed his dog and all the guy could say was Sorry,would you like a pit puppy? Now these two are not cordial at all and the guy is a convicted felon!!! I’m personally very low-key with my things,but as bugging in is the choice for now,as soon as finances allow,an escape location will be fortwith for me&mines. As for people knocking on door,or willing to exchange something(even sex-this could get you killed as there’s no telling what’s really on the agenda)for what you got. EX:While at the barber,the subject came up and an older guy said,”Look,check this out-iffen you takes $50.00 of your goods,place same on shelf,”take care of yourself”,your goods will still be there and you’ll be relieved,but if you open that door;HELL’S BELLS MIGHT START RINGING. BE CAREFUL OF THOSE WHO COME A-KNOCKING.

                  • Then the time is comming when all of those free things like EBT, WIC, AFDC,Section 8 Housing, SSI disability checks,……have to be turned off for good.
                    Welfare as a career choice shouldnt be allowed, I for one hope the parasites who have been stealing out of my pay check for the last 40 years get culled. As a poster on this site once said “No man is entitled to the fruits of another mans labor.”

                  • Well spoken! A lot of churches avoid speaking out and warning their members of the tyranny, oppression, lawlessness and predators in the government. They believe they will be mysteriously sucked up into the clouds before they have to suffer like the Christians in the Mideast and Africa. Or they continue the inoffensive and sappy PowerPoint sermons and happy skits, lest they offend their donor base. And the 501c3 status pretty much keeps them out of anything remotely political

                • Mike you hit the nail on the head. Don’t feel bad about these people.A godless immoral generation could care less about you and your family.We are all accountable for our actions in this world. We live and die by our decisions.This is their choosing to be this way.They are going to get a real lesson in reality very soon.

                  • Does anybody know if there will be a way to watch this online? I don’t subscribe to cable, or have a tv for that matter…

                  • Expect the portrayal of preppers as antisocial, psychotic animals to become much more shrill as things spiral downward. This clip enforces the portrayal of the “psycho prepper”. Most preppers are gun owners and everybody knows that gun owners are mean, heartless selfish beasts. See? It’s right there on TV. The cry to “do something” about preppers will grow as loud and frantic as the cry to “do something” about guns.

                  • As you put it so eloquently, “A godless immoral generation could care less about you and your family.We are all accountable for our actions in this world. We live and die by our decisions.This is their choosing to be this way” is the reason I have been finally, and I mean “finally” accept the fact that I will not be handing out anything from clothing to food after the event. If I hand out some non precious metals to some folks who insist too strongly on appropriating my/our preps, so be it. I have to think that there is a God given reason I have been driven so hard to give up so much of the luxuries of life that the idiots are indulging in with the idea it will always be there, that I can now see to feed someone once could easily be the death of us all. Pray, prep and protect. dj

                  • I do feel bad about it. I am saddened that the people of this country have become godless and immoral. It is truly amazing how quickly it happened. I fear I may have to shoot some before this all ends. I hope and pray I don’t have too but as I said my family comes first.

                • Everyone on this site knows how ineffective and weak the government really is and that there’ll be no help during a nationwide crisis. I lived in Miami during Hurricane Andrew. It was days before we could even get the 82nd Airborne in to patrol the streets because all the roads were blocked by debris and the cops couldn’t get in. But they were only there during daylight hours because the gangs were out at night. Folks formed their own neighborhood patrols and even shot at a few folks without any problem. That was 1992, since then we’ve seen Katrina in 2005 and Super Storm Sandy in 2010. The government still can’t respond even to a local disaster with anything helpful. It’s always been YOYO Time ( You’re On Your Own), it’s that most fools still don’t get it even after all these fiascos. They will be the first to go.

                • +1
                  Thank you Mike,
                  Spot on and you could be my brother!

                  • You are welcome. I think most of us in this community are brothers and sisters in a way. At least we will have to be when the shtf.

                  • Totally agree with Mike. Many thanks to BeInformed for their viewpoint as well.

                    Will add that it’s important to not go “tharn” if the shtf.(“Watership Down” word for when a rabbit freezes in front of a predator because of fear) The other thing is to not lose one’s morality, and find the right balance between compassion and deadly force.

                • It’s happening because you allow it.

                  • So Larry what are you doing to fix this? Huh? It’s idiotic to say we’re allowing it to happen. What are we supposed to do? Start shooting people???

              • BI, you’re absolutely right my friend, people don’t prepare & are slaves to their dependence. How many of the people that were affected by the EBT shutdown do you think got a clue and said: “Hey, maybe this could happen again, so I should put a little away for a rainy day”? I’ll bet less than 1%, if that…

                Sometimes I wonder what the true intent is of shows like this? Didn’t Nat Geo do the prepper fiasco show and now this? Are they trying to ingrain in the public’s mind that preppers are mean selfish people & unpatriotic? When FEMA, tongue in cheek says everyone should have 3 days back up supplies for an emergency. Maybe the 3 days is just so they have enough time to get out of Dodge before the real SHTF?

                BI, I always look forward to your comments, you astound me with your knowledge; thank you… L

              • B.I. an x1.7 3 hours ago.the sun is waking up like you said a lull before the storm.

                • This SUCKS!!!

                  The “Walking Dead” is on at the same time…

                  Hey, I guess it’s the same thing. They are lined up at the fence (Zombies) trying to eat also.

                  Guess I won’t miss anything after all. 🙂

                  Y’all play nice. 🙂

                  hillbilly SC

                  • I got it!!!

                    Know I know how this guy feels.

                    Y’all remember Jackie Gleason as Sheriff Buford T. Justice:

                    “There’s no way, no way… that you could come from my loins. When I get home, the first thing I’m gonna do is punch your mama in the mouth.” :0

                    Ya got ta love the classics. 🙂


                    Hope the link goes thru, first time trying. 🙂

                    Y’all enjoy the day. 🙂

                    hillbilly SC

                  • Hill,
                    The show repeats at 11;00 PM EDT , you can watch the walking dead at 9:00 pm,
                    Then DVR the NAT GEO at 11;00 pm.

                    Thats what I am going to do.

                    Semper Fi 8541

              • B.I.
                i agree with your statement. i had been telling certain people what is coming until i am blue in the face and like you told them to look around with open eyes and realize what is going on with our society. my wife has a brother who is totally dependent on the govt. hand outs. he actually thinks he is smart by “playing the system” as he calls it.i explain to him where is your sense of responsibility for yourself and your family?He just laughs and says i am stupid and calls me a boy scout. At this point i get fed up with him and tell him the day is coming when he had wished he was a boy scout and had listened to us and been ready instead of sucking off the teat of the government whose only reason for giving him stuff is to make him a slave to the system.
                As far as this clip goes i find myself knowing that this is what it is going to come to and if you want to survive and protect your family this is what its going to take. Just a little info; the government said it was going to cut back on some of the ebt card money for those using it.I hope the slaves like it.
                The past week when that EBT card fiasco happened i was with some friends who were there in a WAL-MART. they could not believe how the people acted like animals.some of them said their eyes are open and they are trying to get ready for what is coming. they asked me some questions and i referred them to this website because as far as i am concerned they can get all the info about not only what to get to be prepared but also knowledge about the coming events from here . thanks for being here and thanks for people like outwest and be informed
                for giving me hope that at least some people out here still have their heads on straight

              • Earthquake off the coast of Japan. 7.5 Sorry if already posted.

              • ◄ Matthew 10:34 ►
                The Sword of the Gospel
                34″Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35″For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.

              • GTA V…… Its popularity says all you need to know how low we have gotten…

              • Wow, wow, wow, can you say delusional….

                Can you say group psychosis?

                Do you really think you will be shooting other human beings at your fence and stack them up like cord wood?

                I mean come on….do you really think this is where society is going.

                Even if one of the events you all love to “wet” dream about did happen, the entire planet will not turn into a giant killing field…

                You all watch to many Rambo type movies.

                I feel bad for you if you spend your waking hours planning for all this gloom and doom when there is a whole wonderful world out there.

                I got to say, this is the funniest website I have ever stumbled across…

                I read it for the humor and stay for the ridiculousness….

                • Billy Bob I would think I speak for everyone here when I say hopefully you’ve gained more than just “humor” and “ridiculousness” from visiting this site. Hopefully you have at least some preps in place for you and yours, just in case something goes south. It’s not about stacking bodies high. It’s about preparing to feed and protect your family, as well as educating others so they are in a position to do so, in the event of a disaster. How many people do you know who are prepared for a disaster?

                  • BBJF, you’re just another troll from the same fantasy world as the other trolls. Move on someplace else.

                • I hope you’re right. I really do. But I feel it coming in my bones and I read more and more about it every day. We are on top of a house of cards and someone is switching the fan on high.

                  Syria and Iran joining the BRICS countries, Saudi Arabia selling oil in Chinese yuan and breaking the petrodollar monopoly, North Korea nEMP and creating a pipeline to bypass the Suez Canal
                  , the collapse of the dollar as the worlds reserve currency and the switch to the gold-backed Chinese yuan, false flags, cyber attack on the power grid, masses of people who depend on the government and live in densely populated urban centers and have no food or water prepped and no ability to filter their own water, H7N9 resurfacing in the chickens in China, class X solar flares… Take your pick.

                  The reality is around 6 million US citizens died of malnutrition or malnutrition-related diseases during the Great Depression when there were far fewer people in the US and when around 90% knew how to farm, can foods, and use a root cellar. Today there are less than 3% who farm, can, or know how to use a root cellar and there are over 300 million Americans. It is a recipe for disaster.

                  • You’re right about feeling something coming in the bones. For about five years now I’ve had that feeling and it just gets worst year by year, more urgent month by month. Something horrible to cleanse the nation or more likely, the planet.

                  • I figure 12-20 Months… Please for the love of all that is holy…. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS.

                  • I canned tomatoes for the first time this year. It was easy, I also grew some blackberries and got some fruit off of the fruit trees. Best get back to the land people, soon it is all we are going to have. I have a long way to go, but I am learning hands on all the time.

                • You obviously aren’t even smart enough to see the MASSIVE contradiction in your post..

                  First, like most government loving liberals, you call everyone here names- delusional and victims of “group psychosis”. Then you move forward with your shallow thinking by telling everyone how ridiculous it is to believe that the populace would act with a group psychosis in a SHTF scenario….

                  Which is it? Do people act in a form of psychotic and desperate behaviour when faced with uncertainty or not?

                  Use what brain you have–if you believe in group psychosis, then whom is more likely to be the party acting irrationally? The people who prepare for the obvious uncertainties of life or those who have staked their entire well being and livelihood on the solvency and ability of a central government to provide for them unconditionally and forever?

                  • I would suggest he have a look at the behavior of the citizens in the Phillippenes right now. That’d gove him a good beginning idea of what he can look forward to.

                • Okay, you told us what makes you stay but what makes you leave?

                • Nooo, were not going to pile them up like cord wood,
                  Waste not want not, blood and flesh make an excellent source of nitrogen, the bones both calsium and a little nitrogen and a whole lot of phosphates, the hair is good for keeping deer away from anything you dont want them to eat,
                  So no,
                  Glad we can all be so entertaining, i know i get loads of chuckles from the forums here and elsewhere.
                  So thumbs up billy bob leapin lizard

                  • HAHAHA – yep , good entertainment!
                    But didnt you mean Billy Bob Chicken Choker ?

              • @BI; My friend the world has passed us by. We are an anachronism in this day. I am 47 an as a child I remember geting the Aesops Fables from my elementary library. To this day I remember the fable of the “Grasshopper and the Ants” the Grasshopper played his fiddle all summer having a grand old time while the Ants toiled in the hot sun storing up for the coming winter. Well I can remember the picture to this day from when I was 9 the Grasshopper shivering in the snow no food, no shelter, no warm cloths looking through a window and seeing the Ants in side their shelter warm,feasting and dancing. At nine years old I knew what was going to happen to the Grasshopper and realized I didn’t want to be him.
                This thinking is not taught in schools or hardly anywhere else for that matter anymore. We are vilified or ridiculed with scorn or contempt, laughed at behind up raised hands. While in their next breath they will tell us they are coming to our place if the SHTF. I have told so called good friends about the Grasshopper and the Ants and told them I’m an Ant what are you? and then silence while I stare at them saying nothing, talk about an uncomfortable situation for them, but not for me any more. This is way past too serious now for the thought of making folk uncomfortable it is plain life and death. I and mine will not be Grasshoppers, we will be Ants.
                At one time most Americans were Ants it was in our make up as a people to put away for that rainy day. Now the Government has trained and used chemical warfare against the people to dumb them down and take their instict for selfpreservation away. All of these Grasshoppers will be used agaist us by the true scum that are in power. We will need to remember that these are the ones that are truly guilty of genocide against us and hold them to account. Rockefeller, Rothschild, House Windsor of England, Queen Betrix House of Orange and her ilk. Bilderberg, CFR, Goldman Sachs and other big banks and many others.
                May the Lord have mercy on us all.
                MOLON LABE!

              • BI … you nailed it….

              • I think what’ll kill many off is not lack of food or water, but medication. With so much of the country on drugs for high blood pressure, diabetes, and other chronic illnesses, what happens when the pill bottle is empty? A lot of strokes and other disease, especially with the added stress of a societal breakdown.

            • two fences tells everyone that you do have something for cattle only one fence. I can see the guys thinking.


              • Or they expect guard dogs between the two fences.

              • A trench lined with pungi sticks, covered by a thin layer of natural coverings and placed every few feet would be something to consider. Wireless, battery operated, solar charged security sensors would be a wise choice too. Placing snare traps in key locations wouldn’t be a bad idea either. Animal leg traps are also fairly inexpensive and work just as well on humans, consider it. The closer someone comes toward your home, the more hazards they should encounter.

                So, I agree, two fences may be a solid indication of having something to protect. As for a dog run, a crossbow could end that real quick, but a well trained dog will at least alert you. Hidden traps and sensors would be a far better choice.

                As for this video and National Geographic, I’m a bit skeptical. The content seems somewhat realistic and makes an impact; that is not my problem. The problem I have with it is: Why is this being shown to us on tell-lies-vision? There is never anything on that zombie box that isn’t put there for a specific reason.

                With that said, I would speculate this is being shown to shock sheeple. Someone that doesn’t live in reality would look at this video and be shocked at how cold this man is for not giving the hungry man some food. Potentially, this could even outrage a sheeple to the point of demanding these dangerous preppers be stopped now. With a deep enough impact, you could even see laws passed and harshly enforced that would stop you from being prepared. Just a thought, but like I said, nothing is on that box without a reason that serves those that put it there. Mass mind control.

                • @JR
                  Potentially, this could even outrage a sheeple to the point of demanding these dangerous preppers be stopped now
                  especially some of these progressive nimrods we got now.

                  • Kula, very good point about the outrage of sheep. The truth and facts will always outrage the sheep/socialists, that being ‘what is mine, isn’t yours and you’re welcomed to it When and only When I invite you’.

                  • They are not “progressives”, that is a name they adopted nearly a century ago, to mask what they are, which are marxists.

                    By using the term “progressive”, you allow them to define the dialog, and continue to cover what they are.

                  • KF is right. In our topsy-turvy world, most consider it wrong to “hoard” supplies, as though the “crazy preppers” will have caused any future shortages. The fact that preppers aquired their supplies honestly during a time of plenty will be ignored. The maggots believe that “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours should be shared by all (mostly me)”. To want to keep anything you have worked for is now considered “selfish”.

                  • I think that Nat Geo will turn this into the big bad prepper by using the same theme as The Twilight Zone. There was a nuclear attack on the way and the friends and neighbors ganged up to knock down the door of the one prepared family. Ends up with no nuclear attack and a lot of hurt feelings. Don’t you think this would cause a bad feeling against preppers when the lights came back on after 10 days. The libs will say, ” Why didn’t they share their food and water? Everything would have been ok.” They are thinking of 10 days not 10 years.

                  • Kula
                    You and I know that there would be one hell of a fight. We would win. The sheeple wouldn’t stand a chance they don’t have guns. Stating the obvious.
                    The Sheeple really don’t want to see just how dangerous we can get when you try to take our STUFF.
                    AIM SMALL MISS SMALL

                  • Well, that’s exactly my point as expressed in the portion of the statement you copied demonstrates. By the way, here’s a little tidbit for everyone to chew on.


                    If they ever play this card I think it will backfire beyond anything they could possibly expect.

              • Snake


                Ditto, the vagabond appears ‘heavy’ (i.e. well fed)…he is a scout/enemy-gang-group intel type.

                Solution: Double tap after 1st warning!

                Feed his carcass to the pigs in your hog pen.

            • I have to agree on 2 Fences. We have a 5′ around the property followed up on the inside with 3 line 2 tier Concertina wire. I would have to beat the crap out the 1 son for even saying we had anything. Also where was the back-up from the house/barn/wood pile with the .308?

              • ^ THIS ^

            • I have had enough of my money stolen over the last 35 years to feed “life forms” that have no reason to be alive by earthly standards…and yet it continues every damn day…by force.

              I have chosen on numerous occasions to help others in need. Key word, chosen.

              I will not even be having the discussion with anyone that I don’t know.

              • The people who seem to welcome such a situation are people who are fed up with being robbed at gunpoint and see the spoils given to animals that have nothing but contempt for those they leech from. What is taken as a desire to see society collapse is really just a desire of a chance to finally scrape off the leeches.

              • Career moochers should be terminated,I for one am damn tired of supporting welfare scum.

          • well the long haired guy only made it worse,,,,,,,,now the guy looking for food will tell everyone they will come back in force and take it


            • Snake

              ‘Tis truth you speak & write. Yet, @ the end of the day, the problem could’ve been eliminated from the get-go!
              FYI, the golden-horde(the smart ones), will be looking for the prepared compounds. Make no mistake…their leaders will have a mil-spec background.

              Find/secure a copy of “Lucifer’s Hammer”…a sci-fi thriller of a comet impact on earth & the ensuing impact upon a destroyed civilization.

              Long term, it doesn’t matter what takes the system down, the resultant chaos will ultimately be….the worse case/standard version.

          • I am not as concerned about the people that are asking for food as I am about the people that aren’t going to ask
            I would keep a eye on the least suspicious looking, they may be scouting you and will come back with their group later

          • I have to point out some problems that I have found with this vid. clip. 1. The teen son should have been pre-trained and covering his dad against ambush. 2. This is kinda late to get to know your neighbors. 3. The dad just made an enemy of a neighbor that may have had something to offer or barter. 4. This man cannot keep watch 24-7-he may have been able to had a perimeter guard, being he was a neighbor. 5. Did this neighbor have teenage boys that could help with security? There are a lot of questions concerning this situation, but I believe that it could have been handled a little differently. There is going to be rough times ahead keeping the zombies away without making enemies of neighbors, especially in what appears to be a very rural setting. We’re all going to need stick together in tough times. Surround yourself with like-minded people. We will not survive trying to take on the world alone…

            • I’ve gotta add, after the stupid remark from the teen… My attention was focused on the Father.

              He looks too clean and well maintained, it just screams “I Have Stuff And I’m In Control”.

              IMO, his attire is just as dangerous as the blabby teen.

              Never look in better shape than those you may encounter.
              Be alittle dirty, greasy, stinky and act the part. Walk slow, be lethargic, act hungry.


            • I have already assessed my neighbors. At the very least, most would have to be watched. The idea of hungry neighbors helping with security in exchange for everything else they need is dangerous. Most would use such an arrangement to get into a position to eleminate you and take all for themselves.

            • Say When: Many thanks for the accurate observation of flaws in the video clip’s premises. It shows the dangers of surviving on your own. Two armed opponents with a less untrained approach would have good chances of overpowering the father. Say the kid was properly armed, but now, Pop is dead. Their small group is now just the kid and Mom.

              Contemplating this possibility makes me go tharn. You have to win all the time 24/7 regardless of thefuturecircumstances.

              As a tangential, but related question: Say you’ve made arrngements for a few trusted individuals or families to rendezvous at your place. What about IFF? At a hundred yards, it could be difficult to detect whether your friend was acting on his own, or as the pawn of a group who held his family hostage, waiting for your guard to go down.

            • If SHTF I will be looking to join someone who has a location. I have a bit of food and water, solar gen, propane shower, etc. I don’t own a gun but could still do security.

          • I’ll probably get flamed for this, but SHTF things are going to be ugly and mean. You have to be meaner. Hypothetically you could can some “special” foods for the dangerous zombies. Depending on how ugly you want to get, ingredients could range from exlax, sleeping pills, or maybe rat poison. “Here you go neighbor share some of my canned foods” and neutralize the situation.

            • Isn’t that plan to pass out Poisened foods etc called, Pre-Meditated Murder?

              I am all for self defense, and nationwide national defense from all enemys foriegn or domestic. But some folks plans or ideas here sure seem far fetched to totally absured at best.

              If things got so bad you had to attempt to get greasy and wear too large size clothes and walk slow and lathargic to look downtrodden etc…Come on already are you serious or what? If it gets That bad, running, hideing and shooting is about the Only things that you will be doing.

              Perhaps some folks has watched way too many zombie movies or TV shows, read too many fiction what if books, and developed a mindset of all that zombie stuff on tv weekly is the true reality comming.

              Funny they never had such zombies nor such tactics to act like lethargic slow walking starved folks, in past events like for example the Ukraine Holodomer, you probobly never heard about. Thats when in 1930’s era, after they mass murdered and exterminated 100 million white christian folks across Poland, Russia etc, the same evil bolshevik jewish kommie soviets decided to “Deal” with the white christian folks of Ukraine, by creating a Mass starvation situation when the kommie jewish bolsheviks and Red Army kommies stole every piece of edible food and killed off every farm animal across the entire nation of ukraine. In less than 18 months, 1/3rd, 7-10 million People there starved to death, mamy resorting to cannabalisim.

              Yet nowheres have I ever read of any such Tactics to evade nor any real zombies existing. The Only place I have seen such is on TV shows or hollywood movies.

              Its good to plan ahead no doubt. But when fantasy overtakes reality, one may be wasting alot of brain power and energy developing corny or downright goofy plans that are never going to actually be used nor be effective.

              Some folks even say they plan to go without Heat in dead of winter so no “zombies” sees any chimney smoke! Really? so the entire Family Freezes to death or gets so sick they pass out trying to stand upright?

              That sure sounds like a swell plan!…Whatever happened to americans standing solid together to deal with troubles? And whatever happened with what used to be called “Christianity”, principals of Love and shareing and assisting others Less fortunate etc?

              Who switched them gears to todays methods of Hide, Freeze in home, eat ice cold foods so no smells go outside, and of course shoot every fuckin human walking within 1/2 mile so You can “rebuild” after its all over!?

              Good thing all them folks caught up in that soviet russian jewish kommies takeover in Russia, Poland, Ukraine and a dozen other eastern european nations that Began in 1918, and LASTED untill 1990!!! Thats OVER 70+ Yrs of soviet tyranny and total bolshevik jewish rule and Mass extermination Deaths that finally ended up somewheres North of 250+ Million Deaths. Didnt have any such tactics nor did any use such tactics.

              As I recall it all, they Only shot or killed the enemys aka soviet kommie enemy. They never started to shoot everybody withn 1/2 mile of the farm or city. Most folks also Shared what little food or other items they had.

              Kinda like the orig first Christians 2000 yrs ago did when they were persecuted by jews and romans both. Read of it in the bible. The apostles that were also like the “Head Bishop” of a particular church group, advised EVERY one of them to SELL whatever they had, and Bring all Profits to ONE location, and then Use that cash and/or supplies etc brought, to make CERTAIN each person Has whatever they needed. Some folks calls it Shareing and Helping as if everyone were an EQUAL to the others resideing in the Catacombs, aka where jews burried their dead. Underground catacombs they lived in because them early christians Knew that NO Talmudic Jews will Ever go down into any place or location where any dead are burried due to jewish religious beliefs etc. And doing such they were able to avoid contact with them jew killers, killing christians when they can’t get romans to do the jews dirty work.

              They remaind in catacombs, shared as Equals, and so far no word of any modern day ideals such as “I got Mine so screw all Others!”…Good thing too for a lack of todays attitudes because that would have definatly meant certain death for all. To me all such I got mine screw all othes translates to Greed and selfishness galore. Do such thinkers or planners ever consider what “IF” some event or sickness happens to cause They to Need help or cash or food etc?…Just being well today dont negate a broken leg tommorrow eh…I bet if any I got mine’s break their leg badly, and need assistance or cash or whatever, They will sure be singing a New Tune afterwards right. Then it will be “Come On people lets all Share eh!”

              Seems not so good of a plan to me. Picture Your entire or nearly entire areas folks copying those early christian folks methods, and how swell Your entire town would do to survive whatever occures. Makes sense to me anyways.

              Killing all unknowns, placeing dead bodies to create smells to ward off others, wearing way too big clothes, and freezing so no smoke or smells emmits from the crib while competeing to become the Greediset, most selfish, mean killer on the block somehow don’t seem right.

              And all along I thought it was jew banksters and evil corrupt polititions who was guilty of that stuff!! Shows how stupid I have been huh.

            • Wow, that sounds kinda psycho – kill them before they kill you. Do you work for the Pentagon, by some chance?

          • Now they have an absolute enemy, who would like nothing better than that man to go down… what a pig!

        • That also points out clearly that those close to you may well set you up for failure. By the guy running his mouth, he has insured an enemy has been made. Probably won’t end well for them…

        • Check out Collapsenet’s latest post by Dmitry Orluv, “The Sixth Stages of Collapse”. He is so funny– great writer! Also, Unrepentant Cowboy’s latest post on the same site (Collapse Net).. cool!

        • Q. Do hookers take silver coin?

          A happy thought

      2. Cant wait to watch! Dumbass kid saying they have 2 years worth of food.

        • He needs a swift kick in the balls.

          • In situations like that, kids shouldn’t be seen OR heard. Unless he/she was old enough and, aiming a shotgun as my backup, my kid wouldn’t have been there for that confrontation. My Dad would’ve back-handed one of us for inserting our 2 cents worth into an adult conversation, especially a heated one.

            That conversation would’ve gone a lot differently at our house, but then, nobody would’ve raided our house and lived to tell about it…

            • sixpack



          • this brings up a good point/lesson for all. you got to have a ‘family meeting’ with everyone in your clan. discuss OPSEC as well as scenarios like this, what to say/not say, what to do etc. Now that the neighbor knows they have a 2 year supply of food, he will be back, with friends. desperate times lead to desperate measures

          • this brings up a good point/lesson for all. you got to have a ‘family meeting’ with everyone in your clan. discuss OPSEC as well as scenarios like this, what to say/not say, what to do etc. Now that the neighbor knows they have a 2 year supply of food, he will be back, with friends. desperate times lead to desperate measures

          • and a backhanded slap across the face

        • I’m thinking that me and the older kid would be having a “come to Jesus” meeting immediately after that altercation. Son or not….if he can’t obey a simple order from the father, then he is a risk to the entire family.

          I’m not kidding. If he were my son, I’d tell him the next time he pulled a stunt like that, he’d find himself outside the fence himself, where he could get along as best he could like the rest of the zombies who didn’t prepare.

          That may sound cold and cruel, but in this type of a SHTF situation, there is NO margin for error. Again…an “out of line” family member is as dangerous as the zombies outside the perimeter.

          • I couldn’t agree more. I have a 21 year old daughter that is lazy, dumb and just doesn’t “get it”. I told my wife that our daughter will be the death of us because she is such a dumb sh*t. If we have to, we will push her out the door with a backpack and a XBox so she can join the Zombies. Only the strong will survive.

            • My wife and I have a policy ready in place and the kids know it. If they are over 18 and not doing anything, they’re out the door. That is unless they are going to college, university or a vocational school (including the summer, if applicable), are in the process of getting their own place or actively looking for a job.

              We got no problems supporting our kids through their early adulthood. But we refuse to become those parents who have a 39 year old child living at home.

            • Jack Hammer
              I think it may be best to buy her a one-way flight overseas as soon as possible.
              Better to cry for your loss now than in the middle of when SHTF.
              — Sorry to sound so heartless.
              — Miss Dee Dee

            • Jack,

              When I was 21 growing up in Brooklyn New York, like your daughter, I didn’t get it either. That was 24 years ago. I just turned 45 and I’ve had a few decades to figure “it” out on my own.

              The difference here is time. Young people have maybe a few short years to get their heads in the game, so to speak. Time has been radically compressed due to this accelerating multi-faceted economic/monetary collapse we are witnessing.

              I am hoping Obamacare experiences a spectacular and cataclysmic collapse to serve as a teaching opportunity for young people about the inherent dangers of expecting a free lunch and putting their faith in government that is not their own.

              Maybe then they will look around the landscape and see the collapse for what it really is.

              • YH, welcome aboard to the graduated class of hard knocks.

                • DRD5508,

                  It took me a few failed attempts, but I finally graduated! I get it.

            • Jack Hammer: No offense pal, but what is a 21 year old still doing at home? If she’s working, going to school, or some combination of this full-time and paying some rent, then o.k. otherwise, she needs to go. That is, unless she’s disabled. The problem with most kids today is that they are ‘enabled’ by their parents. The best wakeup call is reality hitting a kid right between the eyes. I left at 17, worked, went to school, then went into the military. Then college, career, and finally, retirement. The school of ‘hard knocks’ is character building. Good luck.

              • Good point. My first thought was “what have you been doing as a Parent for the last 21 years that made her like she is?” Be a parent!!!

                • Wrong

                  When I turned eighteen my Dad took me aside
                  and said it’s time to leave now, son.

                  I was really at a loss for awhile, didn’t
                  know what to do. Got a job washing dishes
                  at Randy’s Diner for the summer.

                  I can’t thank my father enough. He didn’t
                  boot me out of the house, he booted me into
                  a whole new world.

                  • And your a better guy for it. I eat breakfast at a Randy’s Diner. There BLT has 10 strips of bacon on it. Enough for at least 2 sandwiches!

                • Not always the parent’s fault. Some people just don’t get it no matter what. You can’t beat brains into an idiot. When she does end up on her own (like after the parents die), she’ll probably have to find someone else to leach off of or not make it.

              • Gregory8, while I understand what you’re saying, you really don’t get it. The economy isn’t the same as it was twenty years ago or whenever you were 17. Do you know how hard it is to rent a place while living on part time minimum wage job(s)? The ECONOMY is going to shit, young people are mostly getting screwed. When I was going to college I did move out and work a part time job to pay the bills. You know what that life is going to lead to? Living in permanent poverty. I realized in 2009 that what I was doing was just continually living paycheck to paycheck until they stopped. I’m now living back at home and building wealth. I know most of the people on this site don’t try to make fiat money but I’m trying to build cashflow that I can turn into PM until after we get a new gold-backed dollar again. But by “forcing” your children out you may be condemning them to a life of poverty. I’ve read that 80% of Americans don’t have an entire years worth of pay saved up. After this year I think I will have about that much and be looking to buy my own house, something I couldn’t be doing if my family kicked me out. I do contribute some around here too, but just blindly kicking someone out because they are at age is rather ignorant.

                • It is true that many young adults have no choice but to live at home. We have two sons in their twenties who simply cannot afford to move out. They work and pay rent. Our youngest is a strong and fit young man who works full time but yet he is extremely helpful on our little farm/homestead. I was on my own at 19 many moons ago but the economy simply is not there to support those who may work but do not make much money. As long as our sons continue to work and better themselves and help us with rent, farm work, etc, I do not have a major problem with it. They are into the prepper lifestyle too.

                  • Hey Hoopster!!!!

                    I have a 20 year old daughter. She’s beautiful, smart, loves to cook, can clean perch (other fish too I guess), has a 22 rifle and a 9mm. She’s healthy and loves the outdoors.
                    She doesn’t own a boat but I’ll throw in my canoe.

                  • Wrong — What a cheapskate!

                    I would think you could come up with
                    something more than a canoe for a dowry.
                    Got any horses …..?

                  • Hoopster, I think your son should meet wrongs daughter.

                    That was how it was done in the good old days…

                    Thank God that our kids are doing very well…I pray for the same for your young men and women.

                    They must have faith, be productive and never, ever give up their quest for the “American Dream”

                    It is still possible, just a helluva lot more difficult right now.

                    The evil will be destroyed soon or none of us will have a chance.

                • MasterScott – I have to agree with you 100%. I have been a single (divorced) mom for over 20 years. I have raised my 2 sons with the belief that nothing is free…..except the flat stir sticks you get when you buy paint : ) My oldest thought I had stolen it the first time he went with me.

                  You have to work for everything. Both of my sons had jobs as soon as they could drive. Their decision, not mine. Even when the younger couldn’t drive, he got a job at the same place as his brother and the restaurant liked them so much, they worked their schedules to be close enough that they could ride together. Both have had jobs ever since. Both started college but other career opportunities came up and college would have been a waste.

                  To my original point, I asked my sons both to stay at home to save money. My oldest (just turned 23) is my business partner. By the time he was 20 yrs old, he had saved enough money to invest with me in a rental property. We paid cash. 50/50. He was working a full-time, good paying job by then. But he was still saving. I cosigned a car loan for him at age 20. He had a down payment, plus an $11,000 loan. He paid it off in 2 years.

                  My youngest is 21. He was blessed with good looks and gets paid very well for “advertising” other people’s products in magazines, stores and commercials. He is very humble and doesn’t ever tell people what he does. His image is very public. Didn’t raise him to gloat. He is totally awake to our society, but still has to make a living. He lives at home because he travels so much. It would be a waste of money to pay rent when you’re never home.

                  I’ve always told my boys that if they were working and saving money, they could stay at home as long as they need to. They both want to move out at some point, but see the advantage right now of saving for investment. Not a worthless retirement fund, but hard assets. Real estate, PMs, etc. My oldest has more PMs than I do. I’m proud to say that. He is all in on our latest adventure of opening a business since I can’t find a job. It’s what he has always wanted to do.

                  I lost my job in April. They both told me not to worry about anything. They are always asking if I need money. I will just say, the bills all get paid. No one complains about stepping up. They both have enough saved that they don’t really miss it when it’s needed.

                  I raised my boys every day. There was never a time I didn’t put them first. It definitely paid off. I wanted them to have a good future and good values. There were 2 things I lived by with them: 1. I never wanted to look back and regret how they were raised. 2. You can only instill good values into your kids. There is never a guarantee they will live by them.

                  I’m not knocking anyone who thinks they are doing what is best for their kids by kicking them out. Each situation is different. We’ve become a team around here, and it will come in handy when the SHTF. I have no doubt.

                  My blessings to any parent out there. It’s a tough job!

                  • 10% Off, you must’ve done a wonderful job raising your kids! I’m currently about to be 27 in a week and while I love my mom, she doesn’t understand this new economy. She pushed me into going to college to get any degree because she thought that was the best way for me to get a decent job. The only problem was I hate school with a passion. It’s not that I’m stupid, I just hate the structured learning they have in classes. My mom isn’t an investor and that’s really what I want to do. Yes I believe you are correct in that every child is different and some may need to be kicked out. My brother for example is now married and has a kid but I don’t see his family really getting ahead in life. He did just buy a house so hopefully he will at least have that to live in. He doesn’t know how to think ahead is his problem I’ve discovered. I realized in college, which wasn’t a complete waste even though I didn’t graduate, that I was way underprepared for the real world. But the school of hard knocks has a nice learning curve to it. I’m currently trying to plan to retire at 50 while being able to float my family members injections of cash if they truly need it. (With me being the decider of whether or not they need it or want it) Keep prepping everyone and good luck in the times ahead!

                  • MasterScott – Hang in there! Stay your course and don’t give in to anything that strays you from your plans. Even without the additional support, you will succeed. You sound so much like my oldest. Very smart but hated school. It bored him to death!

                    Your mom should be proud of you for thinking outside the box. You were correct when you said the work environment for younger people isn’t what it was when most of us were younger. I’m 45 and it makes me sick to see what kind of world my boys have to grow up in. I tell them to enjoy every day and to live life to the fullest….they do. My youngest has traveled to other countries for work. I’m so grateful he is at least getting to do some things before it all collapses.

                    We figured we’ll run our business until it all crashes. We refuse to sit around and wait for it. We are prepped and ready for just about anything. I’m glad I prepped for many years before losing my income.

                    Do the same. Get ready, but keep on doing what you’re doing until you can’t do it any longer. Use the advantage of living at home. As we’ve seen here, not everyone gets that luxury.

                    Take care and all the best to you.

            • Yea I feel your pain

              • 10% Off, I don’t know why I couldn’t reply to your last message but whatever. From what you’ve said I do sound like your oldest. Did you always tell him growing up to look after his younger sibling(s)? Only one in his case, I have two.

                The only thing that was straying me from my current path was my exgf. Needless to say when I realized we weren’t quite the match I thought we were, I dumped her and really started gaining ground in prepping. (in my defense she was really attractive, like strangers would ask me if I was dating her and congratulate me, which is f***ed up but I did get along well with her) When I do get a house of my own, I was planning on renting a room to a coworker of mine so that he gets cheap rent and I get someone paying off part of my mortgage for me.:)

                Let’s hope a 10 day power outage is all we go through, and a currency collapse because no one here really believes the dollar is going to make it much longer right?

                • MasterScott – Now I have to laugh….My oldest has always talked about buying his first house, rent out a room or 2 to his friends, and get the mortgage paid! He thinks of everything as an investment.
                  I’ve always told my sons from the time they were little to look out for each other. I’ve always said that family will be there before most friends. They are only 16 months apart and have always been close. You can look out for siblings, but they have to be responsible for themselves at some point. Share your financial plans with them and maybe you could get them interested.

                  Sorry to hear about your girlfriend not working out. Stick to it. The right girl will come along when the time is right for you. Girls have come and gone for both. They have plans that they won’t compromise.

                  What is coming could be a bump in the road or a trip off a cliff. We won’t know for sure until it hits us square in the face!

                  I believe you said you had a birthday coming up? Enjoy every minute of it 😀

                  Take care!

            • And to what do you attribute your daughter’s dumbsh^tedness? Possibly you exquisite parenting and the wonderful model that you obviously are not?

          • Walt

            the kid should have been armed don’t you think?????


            p s both of them

            • Maybe the reason he wasn’t is because his dad knew he was unreliable.

              As for the younger kid….I would trust him to be armed before I would the older one….but it would depend on what kind of kid he was as far as his personality was concerned. I don’t think some kids have it in them at that age to do what would have to be done. On the other hand….some kids…if trained…could be a deadly asset.

          • Walt, I’m with you. The younger kid in that video had MORE SENSE than the teenager. If that teenager had been my kid, he would have been penalized heavily for his mistake. First, I would beat his ass, and then put him out, saying, “You’re on your own.” In any type of SHTF scenario, there will be times when you’ll have to be cold and cruel if you want to survive. There is NO margin for error and ALL relatives need to be 100% on board and in line or they need to hit the road. Me, I want to survive and if I have to do something like that to guarantee my own survival, then so be it. I’m the only one who is responsible for myself and no one else. braveheart

          • It just goes to show that you can have too much love for your kids and it can bite you. First off,Dad should’ve had a talk with son before it got there to the fence and when dude told Dad that he’d regret it-the chances of him being eliminated would’ve gone quite high;yes,tis drastic,but damn,that kind of s— will keep you up at nite-all night,and for sure,a bow&arrow would probably be the way to go as you don’t want attention. But it’s this kind of scenario that makes me want to just bomb the crap outta TPTB, I mean,damn,WTF,here we are readily contemplating killing our fellow men because they couldn’t/wouldn’t take the right actions that would’ve probably kept us from this kind of stuff and now kin will probably turn on each other. All I can say is clear your conscience and KEEP PREPPING.

        • The teenage kid is a perfect example of why ‘liberals’ are going to become a very serious threat to our survival, if a scenario such as this ever does actually happen.

          Obviously, the producers and writers of this movie are probably trying to cast the grizzled old White father as some kind of ‘evil, selfish, racist, cold-blooded, blue-eyed monster’ – while the young White teenage son, who’s been ‘properly brainwashed’ with liberalism and anti-White Cultural Marxism by the public schools he has been attending – demonstrates how ‘compassionate’ and ‘caring’ and ‘eager to help the weak and downtrodden’ he is, indicating his ‘superiority’ to his father – at least as defined by the anti-White left.

          This little scene reminded me of the template used by Norman Lear in his old TV show, All in the Family. Same blueprint. Archie is shown to be an old-fashioned, traditional thinking conservative who is born with a healthy streak of race realism and a practical outlook on the world – while his step son, Meathead and his goofy, rebellious daughter represent the Cultural Marxism poisoned and enlightened, ideological liberal.

          The grizzled old Father is clearly concerned with making sure his family, who are his own flesh and blood survive – and he intends to put their survival at the top of his list of priorities. Which is his duty, as the head of his family.

          I almost wish I had cable TV so I could give this a look. My instincts are telling me that the writers and producers are probably going to turn this into another bash-the-white-guy and demonize conservatives kind of propaganda piece.

          • Tucker, I totally agree. That father did exactly what he was supposed to do and nothing else. his younger son was the only one with any sense.

            • You are a complete asshat !

          • I agree. I fear that “the event” will (unrealistically) end after a couple of weeks and the neighbour will have starved while the “grizzled old father” will still have most of the 2 years of food left.
            The message being that he could have saved the neighbour but was “selfish” by holding onto *his* food for himself and his family.

            10 days into an event and the father hadn’t explained that under no circumstances should the kids tell anyone what food and resources they had on hand?

            • I would love to survive any such event and have the bulk of my supplies remaining. The duration of any crisis cannot be predicted with certianty.

          • Tucker – my apologies for reanalyzing the clip to almost mirror your comments. I had not gotten to your post yet : ) Good call!

          • Tucker:

            I don’t know if the producers are in fact trying to portray the father as a “monster”, still, you may be right. Keep in mind that people who watch television a lot, often misinterpret things. One of the things about “art” (the video is an “art” form) is that it can be interpreted many different ways.

            Now speaking in general, and not just to you:

            I’ve read the thread up to this point, and it is absolutely clear that the kid who made the comment about food is in the wrong. Perhaps it is better to punish with half rations for a week, with the kid’s acceptance of that punishment, or the choice of banishment, along with one full backpack. If there is no attempt to forgive and remember, then the father will shrink his group a lot faster than the zombies would.

            There has to be an opportunity to learn from the mistake, even if it is a grave one. That’s the idea behind “forgive and remember”. The other common saying, “forgive and forget”, is plain hogwash, and lacks any pragmatic utility.

            It is dangerous, but necessary to send the “neighbor” home alive, knowing full well that he may come back. It should be made clear to the “neighbor” that should he come back after dark, there will be no questions asked. Also, if he should come back in the day, he had better be half naked, and crawling on his hands and knees to beg for the barter of skills for food.

            A community may have to be built by force.

            Recommended reading: “A World Built by Hand”, by James Howard Kunstler.

        • This must be depicted in kalifornia, where no one knows their neighbor…..

        • If I was the dad, that longhair kid would have gotten a back back and a kick out the door afterwards.

          • Nah. If he was your son, you’d love him and try to teach him better (assuming you were a decent father).

            • Assuming the teen was bright enough to listen and learn. Can’t beat sense into an idiot….

        • Typical asswipe teenager that thinks he know everything, but in reality doesn’t know sh*t about sh*t. Fu#kin dumbass

      3. So it would seem they are telling us whats about to go down…or at least giving the people a hint…or they think fear sells like sex…sheesh…it really makes you wonder don’t it…

        • REB – Exactly! It is what’s selling right now….fear, collapse, zombies, guns, preppers, etc. As much as they don’t believe in what we believe in, they know what brings in the $$$$$. It’s all about the money to these companies. They define hypocrisy with their actions. Always have.

          Now, I am seeing how they could possibly be putting the spin on this, with their liberal “hidden messages”. The older, prepper dad is being portrayed as a selfish, heartless, dick. Now the young, late teen, early 20s son wants to be generous and giving…..Who did the left target the most to get Obutthead elected? That exact age group. If there is an underlying message, this could be it. Older, white prepper, military type is evil….young generous teen is the hero. This group of Marxists have been targeting (brainwashing) our kids through every aspect of education for decades. This is just an extension of that.

          I am getting this from only a small clip, so I could be way off. Not enough details to be sure. It just hit me while reading other posts. Besides, I will be watching the Walking Dead first anyway. This will be DVR’d for a later watch. Very little politics in the WD. Just some good ole fashion Zombie ass kickin’!!!!

          • Somebody needs to DVR this movie and post it on youtube.

      4. National Geographic has been a Communist front for many years. View everything they do in that context.

        (No, I did not watch the video – I have to disable half of my anti-snooper software to let things like that run.)

        • Agreed coach, NatGeo has an agenda presenting this.
          What is it ?
          And BTW , i hope the whole movie is not as shaky as this clip , it gave me motion sickness.

          • Their agenda is what all globalists’ agenda is for America: Civil War.

            The only way they could take America.

            Start at 5:00 minutes


          • The Dad’s camo outfit is code for crazy doomsday prepper. Of course they are going to be presented negatively. Hungry guy at the fence was presented as simply a hungry guy. Was waiting for the ambush but that’s cause I’m a crazy prepper guy too!

            • Actually, I am little bit amazed by the fact that the producers of the show didn’t make the character who was playing the beggar role a black or mestizo, or some other non-White minority. This would have added even more Cultural Marxist brainwashing propaganda to the show, and helped further their 50 year old agenda to incite racial hatred among non-Whites against White males and White European people, in general.

              This missed opportunity must have been an oversight, and a rare one – because the jews who own and control our lamestream media almost never miss an opportunity to smear, demonize, disparage, defame, and cast Whites in as negative of a light as possible.

              I’ll bet somewhere else in the 2 hour movie, they’ll remember to include some of this sort of anti-White hate and venom. BTW: My brother has cable and has promised to record this on his DVR, so I might be able to watch it at his house sometime after its broadcast.

        • Coach, ya better crawl back into your hidey hole before someone sees you and turns you in to them there communists.

          • You took your lips off Barry’s arse long enough to troll the site?

      5. Got DVR set…can’t wait! This is #2 on the list of what I think will happen. #1 is an economic collapse.

        • You’re right, but the MSM would never portray the US as on the verge of an economic collapse. Bad PR for Hussein Obama.

      6. Looks like an interesting show. I wonder if the kid got his ass beat for blowing the family’s OPSEC. If he’d been my kid, I would’ve belted him right across the kisser for that act of stupidity. I dread what I’ll most likely have to do when someone comes to my place trying to take anything I have. I’ll do what I have to in order to protect myself and my supplies, but it doesn’t mean I have to enjoy it. braveheart

        • Friend. If he was my kid he would of been taught well enough not to say anything and why he shouldn’t say anything I think is what you really were trying to say.

          • Sgt. Mike, I’m not disputing your point. if he’d been my kid, I would’ve taught him not to say anything and why he shouldn’t, but if he makes a mistake like that it can get people killed. I would still penalize him for his mistake. braveheart

            • Well thank god for small favors BH, because you’ve never had kids so you would’nt qualify to know how to handle this situation. …..bsides your drinking has already polluted your faculties.

              • Stay Calm.

                Can you prove to me that Braveheart has been drinking?
                Or has he been drinking anymore than the rest of us who post.
                Lots of military instructors do not have families or children. They train our troops. Yes they are children when they enter service.

                • I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!

              • SGT.Mike, I agree with you. The son actually showed a lack of dicipline and respect towards his father. This should have been taken care of way before his teen years. braveheart is right Stay Calm. Penalize the kid or reschool him.
                As we all know (military), only one should do the talking and during this scenero, this isn’t the place nor time for a vote on what to do or opinions.

                • DRD….The kid’s mom probably runs the whole show around there and the man has had his balls removed by her. That’s what usually happens in these cases.

                • I live in the Philippines, which has an expanding economy, mostly because of the flood of investment capital from North America and Western Europe coming into Asia generally, with the Philippines getting its share. If I were a prepper in the U.S., my choice for perimeter defense would be the Israeli WARM-205a flamethrower, which I helped to design. The “a” stands for the presence of depleted uranium pellets in the fuel tank; the standard “205” model doesn’t have them. “WARM” stands for “Wide-Angle Range Medium”, because otherwise, it would have to be called “WAMR” for “Wide-Angle Medium Range”. I expect a substantial American economic/societal/governmental collapse before the November, 2014 mid-term elections. I expect the Democratic Party to seize power by force, and the put the leaders of the Republican Party who don’t turn their coats behind federal barbed wire (most moderate Republicans will turn their coats because otherwise they’ll be left out of the plundering.
                  I am the owner of Caballa Relocation Services, a consultancy for those who’d like to relocate their families, their money, and themselves to Asia. If you are interested in this possibility, I invite you to contact me, Dave Laibow, at “caballafamily[at]yahoo.com”.

              • Stay Calm, dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT and go f#$% yourself!

        • Braveheart:
          If my son at that age would have done what he had done after TSHF, and everything went the way they are showing on the trailer. After this was over he would get one of the biggest ASS chewing he had ever received by his Old man. I wished my kids lived near me, but they don’t. They did learn for the Old man how to managed when the SHTF. I have two daughters living in eastern OHIO, Thank God they and their husbands are Prepers. My Son dose live by me but works out of state. I trained him well and I know that he will make it back home to stand by my side. (that just brought tiers to my eyes.) What hurts me the most is my youngest she is a denier and thinks thing are going to be ok and nothing is going to change. I’m afraid that I’m going to loose my youngest. (God that hurts) I can pray that she wakes up. My wife has all most banned her from the group.

          Sgt. Mike
          The father fell short in teaching the kids to keep their mouths shut.
          Sgt. Military or Police?
          Sgt. Dale (Ret) police.
          Sgt. Dale

          • Slingshot, thanks for that. just another useless troll. Scotty, beam me up, still no intelligent life among trolls.

          • Howdy, Sgt. Dale. Sorry to hear you have one lost sheeple in your family. I hope she wakes up and smells the coffee for her sake. Glad to hear your other relatives prep. My relatives in GA were all raised on farms and learned how to shoot, fish, hunt, and forage at the earliest possible age. i’m not ashamed to say they’re better shots than I am. Once I get to cousin’s BOL, that will be rectified. braveheart

          • Aim small, miss small… love it… A comment on your youngest. Had a similar problem/issue with all three of my daughters but the two oldest woke up. they are not extensive preppers but have “some” stores… The youngest, now 29, seemed to ignore everything going on around her with eyes wide open. Come to find out after talking to her about “her” at a family holiday gathering that she is too terrified to really spend much time thinking and realizing how bad things are. She is a strong person in so many different aspects of her life but this “idea” of collapse and losing so much just overwhelmed her. She finished her AA on the dean’s list with all of her pre nursing classes and while waiting for an opening in nursing school at the university she got a job at Trader Joes. Over the course of a couple years now the light has turned on and she is a “closet” prepper but will not under any circumstances discuss it. Just a thought and hope it helps… dj

            • DJ:
              Thanks for the encouragement. She is 31 now and I just can’t seem to get it through to her but I will keep trying.
              Shed has two boys that love the outdoors. I’m going to try to work it through them. Can’t hurt!!!
              Again DJ Thanks.

        • Sometimes being a lone wolf has its advantages.

          • Colt

          • Ditto!

      7. I will not be watching…it is just what they want you to do.

        I don’t live in fear…ever.

        When it happens it will be much worse than anything that they can create…it will become a matter of life and death.

        You or someone trying to take your future.

        “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

        • Lastmanstanding, there’s no way they’re going to put fear into me. Only God can do that. I fear God and humble myself only to Him and NEVER to any human being. The real deal will be here soon enough.

          • amen brother…
            If sheeple are that stupid to approach me, they are gone already….
            I am ready, my family are ready, but most are not ready.
            As in the olden days, prep for the worst, hope for the best. I am just afraid that many are not ready…
            I have stopped talking to people about this, and they should be facing the music for doing “the way of life as we know it” routine. I have no problem in taking a life to protect my family. many here will say that you are too harsh, but what would you really do? I have prepped for years, why should I give anything to anyone? They were the ones who took 5k vacations, 40k cars, 500k homes, best of everything to beat out the “Smiths”. Fork them all… I have often said “kill the all”, now do you all see what I mean? I have no problem with taking them all out. Harsh as it seems, we will survive,and many will not, but that is no skin off my ass. I may get thumbs down by many, but who cares? If I survive with my family, is that not the name of the game? In fact if we all take out the 40 TPTB and the 600 of the gov. pukes that have ruined this country, maybe we could rise from the ashes and make this chunk of land a great piece of land to live and govern. I have always said what this place needs is a “GOOD” dictator, but there have never been a good one yet. Think about it, when JESUS comes back, if you do not run by his rules, you will not be admitted in heaven. I this not a dictorship? Not to piss off people, but read Revelations, it is a dictorship. I know what I say will tourque up some, but read the BIBLE, it is an prophecy OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN…

          • Well said Braveheart
            they may have some good ideas in it,,i`m watching


          • I watch so the sheepos know what too “expect”. then make plans accordingly . OPSEC advises me that this post is now complete )

        • Just my opinion but you would be MUCH MUCH better off taking the time it is on and spending it going over Selco’s SHTF materials. That guy has been there, done it and is intelligent enough to know how to transfer that knowledge to us. I have not read anything anywhere on the Net that comes close to providing so much diverse information about SURVIVING, including the psychological toll it will take.

          Just my opinion but this Nat Geo film looks like Cloverfield minus the monster. I’d rather spend the time listening to someone who faced real monsters and lived to tell us how to get through what is ahead.

          DISCLAIMER: I am a subscriber to Selco’s subscriber materials and have no ties either commercial or personal to anyone on his site.

          • I agree with your opinion Commie, but I just like expanding my knowledge. Like reading One Second After, you pick and choose through the minutia and come away with what you as an individual deem important.


          • my family will ALL be watching because it will be a tool for pointing out mistakes that could be harmful to them/us.I know what’s about to happen, but some of my family rafuses to see it….maybe if they see it on the idiot box they will let it sink in…if only for a moment…

          • Commie Positatus, is Selco’s subscriber information really that much better than what he provides for free? Can you give an example of the type of information he gives? I’ve been thinking about subscribing but I rarely subscribe to anything and am wondering if it’s really worth it. He does have a different mindset than I do, matters of conscience – even though I realize people tend to do anything when they’re starving, I’m hoping God will give me the grace to keep my morals intact. With that in mind, do you think it would still be helpful to me if I subscribed?

            • Amen Lisa, I’m not going to just start firing at everyone because at some point the lights may comeback on and I don’t want to be in prison if the real SHTF happens. I’m also not going to hell for killing anyone not an imediate threat to our existance. I feel the spirt will lead my actions

            • Lisa, in a nutshell: More details, more visuals and just more depth. You can get a TON out of reading his free material and his subscription material is even deeper.

              To be honest, if you’re reading Selco’s free stuff you are already ahead of 99%+ of Americans. One of the main reasons I subscribe is because I beleive I have a moral obligation at this time to support those who are stepping forward and providing sincere preppers tools they will need. Selco is putting out great info to HELP, not to jump start a new career. So for me, subscribing is my way of thanking The Good in the universe for his presence.

              • Thanks for your reply, Commie Positatus!

          • +1
            Selco is interesting to read, really makes you think, at least really makes me think about the what ifs, we are not urban, are rural but neighbors in view, that said, we are NOT the continental US by any means, the majority of people are civilized and it will all work out, there are enough of us who are on it that the troublemakers will be disappeared quickly. One of the benefits of a small comunity.

          • Why does it have to be watching or listening to one at the exclusion of the other?

            Why not learn from both?

            I can tell you right now, that there is a ton of stuff out there on the Internet right now that is being passed off as “survival training” that is utter bovine scat. And yet people (and I’d venture to say many here) don’t seem to have a problem watching and reading that stuff.

            As an example…..the common theme of some is that they are going to bug-out and go camp in the woods and live off the land. You got people doing videos and writing books about it. But if you think it through, just how long do you think “the land” is going to support hundreds of thousands of people who are trying to do just that?

            But I do agree that from what I’ve read, I believe that Selco probably has the best handle on this thing and presents the most realistic scenarios and provides the best advice for making it through. Selco has “seen the elephant” and lived to tell about it. But I would bet that he would not tell people to NOT watch this program.

          • most “prepper” shows are the usual “reality tv” derogatory tripe

            making fun of people for their 15min of fame

          • Agreed, Selco’s materials are definately worth the price. Also consider the “Conflicted” card game, several such (as the vid) scenarios are presented.

        • I’m torn whether to watch it or not. Part of me wants to see how they portray it and part doesn’t.

          I know the reality is the real thing would be worse, particularly in the cities. I will record it and then decide.

          • I can’t even watch the “Doomsday Preppers” program anymore. It’s just too stupid.

            But if the rest of this program is like the trailer, I am favorably impressed. The scenario in the trailer looked VERY realistic and struck me as being the way such a situation could go down.

            • Go back to eating Doritos you fat bastard.

              • Eisen, are you any relation to ncjoe, finx, urabn dog, etc.?

                • I’m not sure, but I think he’s the teenager in the trailer.

                  • Walt, now that is a really scary thought.

              • You were molested as a child weren’t you?

                • Not So Much – I think it was something worse……public schools and liberal hippie parents…..

                • Before I get pummeled for saying liberal parents and public schools compare to being molested, that was not my intention. Both are life changing. Unfortunately, there have been many liberal judges recently only slapping the wrist of molesters and rapists.

        • As we know, TV is a Program, now more than ever.
          Who owns/runs National Geographic Channel?
          Who owns 21st Century Fox…the chairman?
          What is their motive, their intent?

          I’m glad I removed myself from the gravitational pull of that demonic, mind controlling “SSSS” device, years ago. It’s liberating!

          • EA–me too. It’s like those like you and me belong to a unique club.

          • Having worked in retail merchandising for a few years, I can answer the question. National Geographic is published/owned by Time Warner, as are so many publications. They and Hearst/Comag are the two “biggies” in mass print media in the US. The brainwashing is more pervasive than most realize. I would consider the upcoming Nat’l. Geo. movie as no more than predictive programming.

            • ” no more than predictive programming.”


              Everybody laughed when it was suggested they could put messages within the message…when it was shown they could, laws were passed,I believe, to prevent…hahaha

              Now the entire program is the message within…
              Got to respect the way they think…you don’t have to like them but respect them as you send them to hell…bastards!

        • I watch and read stuff like this for ideas…way too often I pick up on something we need to do or buy. Not looking to be filled with fear, but information.

        • Not watching…really?

          What does that accomplish exactly?

          Now….watching without a critical mind is one thing. But to simply not watch it because you think they are just trying to instill fear in you….sorry..but that’s just silly.

          Did it ever occur to you that watching the scenarios might shed some new light on things and possibly cause you to evaluate your own plans and consider if they are flawed in any way?

          I’m reminded of another similar program that I believe National Geographic put out a couple of years ago, “After Armageddon”. Now….despite the fact that the production had some holes of its own as well….nevertheless…it served to stimulate some thinking in me.

          Knowledge is power. Don’t ever turn down an opportunity to acquire more knowledge of a subject…even if you don’t like the source.

          • You’re right, Knowledge is Power. You might want to do some research on “Silent Sound Spread Spectrum”, a technology that uses subliminal programming that is carried over Ultra-High Frequency (UHF) broadcast waves which is being delivered right into your mind, from your HDTV, every time you turn it on, regardless of what you are watching.

            Enjoy the “Program”.

            • Well…seems I should have read down further before posting above…

              agreed… but I wear polarized lenses when I watch…

              just kidding… O-O

            • Well, I must have some kind of natural “filter”, because I can watch such programming and not be brainwashed by it. Nor do I let it affect me emotionally.

              Seriously……all that is required is a critical mind. I ALWAYS assume that programming coming from the entertainment industry and MSM is some form of propaganda.

              Again….I will take from this program what I can learn from it and discard the rest.

              Is it really that hard? Do you have so little confidence in your own ability to discern truth from error, that you shut yourself off from any kind of information that doesn’t come from one of your “approved sources”?

              Did a little reading on the SSSS technology. I would think that if someone were susceptible to the effects, it would be problematic. I don’t allow my thought patterns to be determined by my emotions, so I’m not particularly worried.

              • “Well, I must have some kind of natural “filter”, because I can watch such programming and not be brainwashed by it. Nor do I let it affect me emotionally.”

                “I don’t allow my thought patterns to be determined by my emotions, so I’m not particularly worried.”

                I’m not picking on you but those are classic responses; exactly how the programmed mind woks, i.e. who, in their right mind, is going to admit they are being brainwashed? That’s exactly how Mind Control works. It always works on the “sub-conscious” mind.

                Here is just one method they use to “soften” one up.

                “Studies have shown that watching television induces low alpha waves in the human brain. Alpha waves are brainwaves between 8 to 12 HZ. and are commonly associated with relaxed meditative states as well as brain states associated with suggestibility.
                While Alpha waves achieved through meditation are beneficial (they promote relaxation and insight), too much time spent in the low Alpha wave state caused by TV can cause unfocussed daydreaming and inability to concentrate. Researchers have said that watching television is similar to staring at a blank wall for several hours.”

                Add to that the technology of SSSS and one begins to see that ones conscious mind, no matter how “strong” it thinks it is, is no match for what’s being “inserted” subliminally. And the minds of TV watchers in America are being massively bombarded ONCE THE SET IS TURNED ON, regardless of the contents. Then, there IS the contents, a totally new, but complementary monster added to the program.

                The trouble is, most TV watchers are addicted and they don’t even know it and they would NEVER admit that. Suggest that they are and their reaction, generally one of denial, is more proof of how the technology truly works. “It doesn’t affect me”, “I’m okay”. “I’m normal”. Yeah, right. Woe unto the person who points that out to them.

                They, the Controllers, are light years ahead of us with this science, light years. Case in point, look how complacent the American population has become. Why be bothered with corrupt cartels (destroyers of the Constitution and our Freedoms) owning our lives when we have our TVs, ipods, iphones, gmo junk food, mind candy of all shapes and sizes, etc, ad nauseum keeping us pre-occupied with their perfectly designed, mindless entertainment.

                Why is there not massive demonstrations in the streets?

                Millions of pacified minds staring at blank walls.

                • Walt, EA

                  I don’t know much about dat dar mind control stuff.

                  But I do know that when the mrs. has the ole’ boob tube on my blood pressure goes thru the roof. I start snarling and snapping and then she has to medicate me 12 cold ounces at a time. 🙂

                  About the only TV I watch is the Walking Dead. Even that has gottten on my last nerve this season. Mrs. hillbilly say’s to “calm down it’s just a show.” I HATE any TV that picks on what Lil’ bit of smarts I might have.

                  Myself… I enjoy music.
                  I could listen to it all the time, but now EA ya got me scared that I being programmed by my 80’s rock and country music might turn me into the next Lee Harvey Oswald. 🙂

                  I might just have to self medicate myself now until the mrs. gets home. 🙁 Maybe stare at that blank wall a Lil’.

                  Y’all have fun, and don’t sweat the Lil’ stuff. 🙂

                  hillbilly SC

                  • In regards to Mind Control, Hillbilly SC, you ain’t got nothin’ to worry about. Dat’s da least a yo concerns.

                  • HillbillySC
                    I too rarely watch TV without the blood pressure rising. As for my 80’s music, I guess I’ll be an Oswald too!

                • If I am brainwashed, then all I can say is that their brainwashing has been a massive “fail”.

                  I’ve been on to the agenda of the globalists since the 1970’s. It began when I first read “None Dare Call It Conspiracy”.

                  Addicted to TV? Hardly. In fact, I’ve gotten to the point where I barely watch it all.

                  My “filter” that protects my mind from the drivel is an undeterred drive to seek and know the truth, guided by principles that have been instilled in me by reading material written by people who themselves were guided by truth.

                  Sorry…but I just don’t buy into the idea that the “controllers” can somehow overcome a mind grounded in principle and understanding of how to discern truth from error. For the weakminded and those who take everything they see and hear that comes from pop-culture and the MSM….yes…..they have a problem. And I do agree that the majority of the population probably falls into that category.

                  I’m not disputing the science and validity of what you are saying. I’m just maintaining that it is not absolute and beyond resisting.

                • Hi EA, I’ve been studying hypnosis in depth, and folks who do not develop critical thinking skills very easily succumb to the suggestions of what many believe are dynamic speakers. Actually the speakeres are quite skilled and well trained. All they have to do is activate the imaginations of the viewers. Once they do that, they create a sense of expectancy of something important to come. Then, if the individual is not a critical thinker, they will believe what they are told as if it were holy writ. Adolfo Hitler, FDR, JFK, Clinton, and Obama are all great examples of this. There was an entire article written about this recently in a hypnotist journal.

            • Me thinks you need to research the ‘The Silent Sound Spectrum’ further.
              The Iraqi soulders that come out of the holes in the desert, by the thousands, and surrendered, wern’t watching TV at the time!
              It goes much deeper…

              • How do you know they we’re watching TV? Were you there, in the bunkers with them?
                Of course you weren’t and they were most likely not watching TV, or least most of them were probably not. But what were they doing, in those bunkers, before they gave up, in droves?

                I take it you’ve gone much “deeper” on the subject?

                Perhaps you could enlighten me and the others here, and tell us how the frequency is delivered (in multiple ways) and tell us what a piezoelectric transducer is, without googling it, and how that may be related to HDTV and the subject at hand?

                I’m definitely interested in gaining more knowledge on the subject by someone in the know.

                • I said wern’t watching, as in, were not. Or should it be spelled weren’t?
                  And they also probably didn’t, we’re, as in, we are watching.
                  So funny you are.
                  Don’t take offense man, I was agreeing with you!

          • If you are referring to me (not watching) Walt, I will tell you straight. If not sorry to bother you.

            I don’t need help from any programming to make it from day to day whatever the scenario…my old school upbringing will serve me just fine.

            You just go about your life and watch the “knowledge” that they provide for you.

            Like you, I get a choice…and I made mine.

            • I hope your tunnel vision does you in good stead.

              I prefer to keep my eyes and ears open, and learn from whatever sources are available….even if it contains some bad information.

              I like to think I’m intelligent enough to discern whether or not the material is worthwhile.

              Resourcefulness, flexibility and willingness to adapt are skills that will be absolutely necessary to survive in a SHTF situation. It would seem to me that a closed mind would be a hindrance to those skills.

              • No tunnel vision or closemindedness here.

                The earth gives us all the info that we need.

                No bad info there.

                Enjoy the programming.

          • In short, time is short. I don’t have time to look at Time Warner’s take on what’s ahead. 24 hours and lots to fill it up with already. It’s called discrimination.

            “Did it ever occur to you that watching the scenarios might shed some new light on things and possibly cause you to evaluate your own plans and consider if they are flawed in any way?” If you think Time Warner is going to give your ANYTHING that is in a substantial way helpful, have at it.

            Without viewing it, I will predict it will depict those who don’t give away their food to the parasites as control freaks (Jason, get back in the house!)

            They will show preppers as extreme, hoarders, prone to using firearms, paranoid, etc. What they will NOT show is the neighbor’s family the previous year with their big screen TV, sports programming and blowing their discretionary income on iPhones and beer.

            You may have the kind of time that will look at the entertainment product of the very people who are screwing us royally, but I don’t. Enjoy…

        • The more I see the more I educate myself on the possibilities. I’ll be watching….and learning. Jack Hammer OUT!

        • I have already programmed my DVR.

          I could survive a 10 day outage. But I would not be able to survive long term. I am 70, live alone and have no relatives within 500 miles. I am here in northern Wyoming because I couldn’t afford Colo — wouldn’t want to live there now, anyway.

          I have two handguns but my hand shakes, so I can’t hit anything at a distance. I can’t hold a long gun at all.

          I have printed out some stickers to put on my front door that say things like “Biohazard” and “Quarantine, Contagious disease.”

          I don’t have a fireplace and it gets 35 below here sometimes. Plus if no one takes care of Boyson Dam 90 miles to the south, I will be washed away.

          I have a 6 ft privacy fence around 3 sides of my property (all that is allowed is 3 1/2 ft chain link in front.) I have a wall furnace that doesn’t use electricity and will heat my main living areas as long as the gas pressure holds. Then I have a propane heater and dozens of 1 lb pound cans of propane. I also have two Kandle Heeters and 4 cases of 50 hour liquid paraffin candles. I have a year’s supply of food for me and for my dog and cat. I have about 50 gallons of water stored. There is a river nearby and I have a Berkley Filter. The town gets its water from a gravity fed well. They tell me that it doesn’t need and treatment or care — it will continue to supply us with water, according to our emergency planner, who is Mormon and has given me lots of good tips. In fact, they say almost 1/3 of our town is Mormon and most of them are prepped.

          I will watch the program to see what good tips they have, but I won’t believe everything they say.

          • You are further ahead than most Daisy.

            You have will and good neighbors, that may just be enough.

            God bless you.

          • A very official-looking “biohazard” placard would be a neat product for one of our sponsors !

        • Last Man….Get that tin foil hat way on down there on yore noggin son….!

      8. Shows why you gotta’ make sure your kids are under the control of parental authority. Unfortunately, you can’t give anyone food, or they will be back again and again until you or they are killed.

        • Simplicity, AMEN. Let me add if you give someone food, they’ll sell you down the river to others looking for the same thing and then you’re in a real world of hurt. I made my decision many years ago, I’m not giving any nonprepper a DAMNED THING except a well-placed bullet if they don’t leave when I tell them to. braveheart

          • That’s why you’ll be the first to GO…..! I have read your pass posts and with your mindset.and my experience, it’s people like you with built up anger that will be the first casualty of war. Good luck my friend !

            • Hey former, we are obligated to care for our families first. The best way to give is to give to a source and insist on remaining nameless, such as a church or mission who will in turn give to those in need. You may be a former Serb, but you are certainly naive about human nature.

            • Former Serb, yes, I do have anger built up against those who are working to destroy my country and I’m not the only one here. our first obligations are to ourselves and our families. We are all INDIVIDUALS, NOT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES WITH UNLIMITED RESOURCES TO PROVIDE TO EVERYONE WITH HIS OR HER HAND STICKING OUT. It is much more wise and prudent to donate to some charity and ask to remain anonymous, therefore you maintain your OPSEC. Being from Serbia and having survived the Balkan Wars, I thought you knew human nature better than that.

            • You’re a former serb and I’m a former Martian.

              Look in a mirror for the visage of nger, friend.

              • Are you calling him a nger?

                • Got a crumb under the “a” on my keyboard. Should have been “anger”.

        • Im glad i dont have kids,

          • Kula, I’m glad I don’t have them either, in some ways. At least you and I were spared the heartbreak of raising them right and having to see them go off in the wrong direction. Saves a certain amount of stress for us both. I’ve only got myself to provide for and that is hard enough. braveheart

            • Ohhh i wasnt spared, i do have 1, is 22 now, but we dont talk, such is life, as of right this moment, its just me and my sweety and there will be no additions!

              I hope to God that i never have to deal with hungry folks other than the neighbors i do know quite well, if TSHTF i will NEVER be without my 1911 and my REPR or one of my AR15s, just the way its going to be, the rest of my group is nervous, paranoid, and real observant, so that said there are lots of eyes and ears, and we all have side arms and ARs,

              Defensive measure

              We mixed up Tannerite in a 1 gallon can and piled 1-1/4″ filter rock over it, when you shoot it it sends rocks everywhere, placed a 1 gallon can taped tight in the middle of a 5 gallon bucket packed around the tannerite with the 1-1/4 rock, sat a manaquin next to it standing up about 10’away, shot it, it shredded the manaquin, lost 1 leg, so i have made up about 30 of these things.

              • Kula, try 2lbs under a cast iron pot on a rock and shoot it with a 223 from 200 feet away. You can see the pressure wave coming at you. Even the trees bow under the pressure.
                Good stuff. I was told that Oregon has limited how much you can buy.


                • Everything fun is getting harder to get isnt it! I want to try it in a piece of 3″ galvy pipe about 1′ long packed and capped then plug it from distance, maybe stick it under a car or something big.
                  You know, in the name of science!

                  • Yes, in the name of science and just still having enough of a kid in you that wants to see and hear the big bang. Yoww!


                  • Get as much as you can NOW and do NOT tell anyone.

                • In Oregon, firecrackers are illegal. Putting end caps on some galvanized in order to make it go boom is called “manufacturing/possessing a destructive device”.

                  …can’t have any Patriots running around with any kind of homemade artillery, now can we?

                  • That illegal thing is why theres nothing solid right now, experimentation done, scientific analasys collected, components carefully stored somewhere else, ready for if we need to improvise!

                  • roger that, kula.

              • Use some type of shrapnel in the bucket…instant crowd control.

                • Yep, 1-1/4″ crusher rock is pretty shrapnelly!

              • @ Kula

                LWRC fan, eh? Great minds think alike.

                As for me; I own an M6A3/Vortex 1-4×24 and love it.

                • M6-IC-SPR
                  love it,,,light and smooth.

          • You can always eat them as a last resort, when they prove to be a disappointment to you like this dumbass Jason.

          • Kula.

            Are you shooting blanks?

            (Just kidding, don’t take me seriously)

            Good luck on everything.

            PS. I gave you and many others a thumbs up, but my wifi and laptop won’t let me vote. At my office on desktop, I can vote–but not the laptop at home since the day Mac had fixed the system. I have two other laptops, so I think I will bring one home and exchange it.

            Kula–keep up the good work and comments.

            • I am now by choice!
              Dont want any “accidents”

            • Ugly–di you try rebooting or re-starting the computer?

              Sometimes that helps.

              No tech here, but it cures lots of my problems.

              • JayJay.

                I did try all that. It is my laptop because I have issues also with my email. I’ll get my other laptop because I hate to not be able to vote. I’m starting to feel like a republican in Chicago.

                Thanks for input.

          • I’m glad my grown kids don’t have kids.

            • Pass on the genes.

          • Equal opportunity.

          • I’m glad I do. My family is he and I, that’s it. I’m 32, he is 11. Last year he nailed me square in the face with a throw bag when I went over our raft in a class 4 rapid on the Salt River. I will never forget seeing him standing in this raft, no one on the oars, raft bouncing every which way, calmly prepairing his rescue bag. I went under immediately after, but the second I came back up… smack right in the face perfect toss from 15 yards. He even had his bow line thrown around my oarsman seat before I could grab my end.
            Two days after the shutdown ended, we hiked Bright Angel down to Phantom Ranch. On the trip back up, he smoked me by 30 minutes, and I’m in good shape.
            He’s as smart as they come, honest, and reliable. A good son is a gift from God. Wouldn’t want an infant when it pops off though.
            Did I mention he can shoot too? Good enough and fast enough to make a difference. I don’t see myself saving the country, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did, cause I think he could. That’s just the dad in me talking though.

          • Yea kulakook, mine’s stopped up too…

            • Heeeeeerrrrsssss Johnny!
              The kookooo ones are the ones you need to be wary of, were sort of unpredictable, all 4 of us!

        • Simplicity, it’s kinda like the Game and Fish Dept. always says, a fed bear is a dead bear, same principle applies to freeloaders. My thoughts would be in the first few days, if anyone came looking for food, and was civil I would share any perishable food that my family couldn’t use up, and tell them that was all that I had. Under no condition would I expose to an outsider or give any dry goods or canned goods. Guard those with your life. Trekker Out.

          • Now that is a good idea for helping from the fridge/freezer and ending it… thanks for the reminder..

        • Yes they and the child should be shot and buried so that you can stuff yourself silly with your mre’s….

      9. WROL…now beat the living shit out of that big mouth teenage moron. Might have to test out some med kit supplies by the time I was done explaining why he should shut the fuck up.

      10. I bet they all resort to cannibalism.

        • I don’t care for your “Resort” comment. A lot of people I know that’s the best thing you could do with them and it should be your first choce.

          • Ill stick to veggies thanks,
            Some lines shouldnt be crossed!

            • Long pig it’s what’s for dinner!Actually,as a organ donor if I die and folks can survive off of me,I say fine.Tis like the great book Alive about the plane crash in Andes.Now,if I am killed so folks can eat me may they die of food poisoning!

        • Eventually….

          • NEVER!


      11. If you read the Alerts dated 10/19 to 10/24 at Quayle’s website, preferably right now [www.stevequayle.com], you will see that a few simultaneous dangerous things seem to be planned all at once!

        And MOST likely either DURING GRID EX II (Nov 13th and Nov 14th) but QUITE possibly BEFOREHAND.

        Listen, GRID EX II I’m beginning to think is a planned DISTRACTION from what they ACTUALLY plan to do between Friday, Oct 25th and November 12th, if you read/interpret those Alerts dated the 19th to the 24th as I do. OR it will be their “icing on the cake”, in other words, their END event, after their INITIAL “crap”.

        What do YOU all think?

        As I posted months ago, it is not going to HIT the fan, it’s going to TAKE OUT the fan, and possibly you and me WITH it–IF it is either a HAARP-created earthquake OR a “missing” nuke, OR a pandemic virus, OR a permanent Grid Shutdown, with any of those being “coupled” with a bank/currency collapse.

        Oklahoma City, 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Batman movie theater shooting, the HAARP-created Hurricane Sandy storm, the Navy Yard shooting– they were all warm-ups.

        Please don’t post how you will wipe THEM out, and ruin your Op-Sec, INSTEAD post here how you will OUT THINK them, and start thinking NOW, because SOME of us here might determine to bug out EARLIER than EXPECTED.

        Don’t just watch your six, watch your “twelve” a few weeks ahead in order to calculate backwards to know what to do NOW, immediately.

        – The Lone Ranger


      12. I plan to watch. I think the man was premature to pull his gun. He made an enemy who knows he has food. The have-nots may gather to raid the haves.

        • I agree. He could have said something like “Oh yeah, those cans of…” and waited for his kid to finish your sentence, thinking your mind must have gone blank. Risky, I know. He would probably say something like “corn, -” and cut him off before he could run off a list and say “yeah, we have a couple of cans of corn that’s about expired (or “doesn’t agree with our stomachs” – if it’s true at all, like if it’s gmo it doesn’t really agree with any part of anyone’s body). Just thinking out loud, maybe that could have saved the situation, who knows? Once his son let the cat out of the bag, his strategy needed to change, especially with a neighbor.

          • Somebody posted the other day about kidney beans being poisonous if not prepared properly. How bout saying to his kid, “hey, we got kidney beans, go get them”. Then tell the starving, unprepared neighbor, “eat them raw like nuts for the best nutritious effects”. Mwhaahaa…

            • think Ill can me some caster beans,,,

            • Or….”Try this new Kool-Aid Flavor”……(anti-freeze)..
              ………Help Your Self………….see ya’…….

        • Have to disagree….I think he did exactly the right thing. The situation was starting to get out of control….mostly due to the stupidity of the teenaged son. The contention between the father and the son was picked up on by the “neighbor”, who then sought to drive a further wedge between them in order to get what he wanted. Additionally, the father was forced to divide his attention between the “neighbor” and controlling the son. Not a good situation to be in, as had the neighbor been armed and inclined to do so, it would have been the perfect opportunity to use violence to get what he wanted. At that point, the father HAD to regain control of the situation and make it clear that the discussion was over.

          As far as making the man an enemy….unless he was willing to give him everything he had, that was going to be the end result anyway. Notice that he told the man, “I don’t have anything for YOU.”

          The fact that the “have-nots” are going to gather to take from those who do have something, is a given. In fact, they will likely raid your place, even if they DON’T know that you have something. The question then is…..What are you going to do when that happens? If you aren’t prepared to deal out the necessary violence to protect your family and what you have, then you may as well just give it to them and be done with it.

          • Walt, AMEN. When the idiots come to my place, I’ll have “Bertha” with me to back me up in my conversation with them. I’ve worked too many years and spent too much of my own money on supplies to just stand aside and let someone take it all away. I would be the moron then. I expect things will get ugly and I’ll have to “ventilate” someone. If/when it comes to that, I’m prepared. It doesn’t mean I have to enjoy it, which I won’t. But I will do what’s necessary to stay alive.

      13. Boy just wait till they find out obamacare isn’t free, the EBT card doesn’t work and there is no government cheese!!!

      14. He should have his rifle on him. Looks like the Springs. I have about 600 meters all around me. I’ll spot you miles away. My response will just be the clack of my rifle as I point it at the fellers head. He better keep moving.

      15. A gun fight avoided is a gun fight won.

      16. Yes, it seems they like to ‘pre-announce’ their evil intentions like clockwork, don’t they? Almost like a taunt, or a dare. I will watch it, while de-priming brass or some other *important* activity instead of watching in passive, captivity mode. We all need to multi-task better, as time is getting short and old man winter is bearing down, right around the corner.

        Also funny how our Sun is acting up finally, with 6 M- and 11 C-Flares on the Sun During Past 24 Hours alone! Make sure your batteries are all charged… maybe nature will save us yet.

        • Another flare just a few minutes ago. It was an M 3.0.

          • Hi all ! 🙂 This is what I’m waiting for, Bring on the X- class Flares
            Lets get this Party Started already ! I’m getting tired of waiting for something to happen :/

            • +1
              Just stay away from the Fukushima sushi!
              Im Scared to eat sashimi anymore,

      17. As a matter of fact, as a Christian, I *will* help others. But I will focus on those that truly could not help themselves, such as the mentally retarded, the elderly, the very young. The others should maybe sell one of their Lexus SUVs after watching this, and do at least a modicum of preparedness – but of course they won’t. I’ll need to decide on a case by case basis what I will do in a horrible situation like this. It will be very difficult, given that I have many neighbors who could care less, and are the very ones causing the disintegration of our society, as evidenced by their disgusting Obama bumper stickers, etc.

        • The problem with helping anyone out with food etc is who they will tell and who then will gang up to come back and clean you out or kill your family if you resist. If they win and just clean you out then you become them or are dead anyways from starvation. If they are a stranger and not family – they get nothing. People who have any common sense know that CMEs or EMPs or Cyber attacks can happen at any time. If they are too stupid to prepare for such an event then they do not deserve to be helped. Their stupidity could get you or your family killed in short order. Ban together with like minded people if you can find them for there is safety in numbers. A loner will die quickly going against a group with any common sense and a little experience.

      18. It is a TV show, relax and enjoy it as such.

      19. Cool, shut the d@mn lights off for about 9 months. It’ll really help clear the junk off the streets.

        Got candles? Got lanterns? Got lantern oil? Got spare parts and wickes? Got years and years worth of matches safely stored? Well…you’d better.

        • I do!

          • Buy a couple of zippo lighters, pak of flints and XL fuel moron.

            • Why be rude?

            • Sounds like one of the trolls trying to disguise himself.

        • Yep.

      20. Oh….and Jason needs to be dropped off a cliff….

        • Just tell Jason: “Sure, give him your next few meals” After a few days Jason may change his tune. Course it would be too late then.

      21. Kind of makes me wish I had TV. Kind of….

      22. I will not be watching it, I got rid of cable a long time ago and antenna tv out here is pretty weak. Besides that, I’ve been working on a pain in the ass job that’s taking way too much time and I need to work this weekend so that it doesn’t screw up other orders.

        With watching that clip where the teenager let out about the food supplies, it sets up a later scene where the neighbors comes back with others and tries to make a raid. Someone will get killed, most likely mom, sis or little brother and the teenager will be crying and saying I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry.

        • “Imagine 10 days of a catastrophic blackout across the United States. No cell phone service, no ATM withdrawals, no working street lights, no available gasoline … no escape.”

          10 days without power isn’t a catastrophe, it’s a winter ice storm and my home is ready for it.

      23. Don’t take cable, so won’t see it. We’ll see what happens to the ammo stocks next week, it’s been coming back.

      24. I would help him… I would tell him to go on a fucking diet and come back when he has lost 75 pounds. Then I would give him some of that chinese dog jerky…the shit that has poisoned 600 pets so far.

      25. I am going to watch it every bit of knowledge even propaganda can be useful. I also think this can happen in the near future. Also if I was the father of the big dummy talking about how much food we had it would have been the last time he spoke out of gotdamn line …DUMB ASS KID !! there’s one in every family so make sure you know your weakest link before shtf!!

      26. I’m looking forward to this program and I’m looking more
        Forward to family watching and praying that it ignites
        A brush fire of curiousty.

      27. Jason needs his butt kicked.

      28. I had someone try to bum money off me outside the grocery store today. My wife asked him what he wanted with money. I guess that surprised him, so he finally got out that he was hungry and wanted some eggs. I dragged him into the store and bought him some eggs. He wanted the change, and I told him I needed it.

        I think he was a little disappointed. He may still be walking the parking lot trying to sell the eggs. No cash for bums, only food. It irritates them when you do that. I think he was trying to gather enough cash for a pint of rotgut.

        • Archivist–right move.
          When they say they need food, I say can you wait here 30 minutes?
          If they say yes, then I’m home and back in 30 with a few boxes of food.
          If gone?? They didn’t need the food and it gets re-shelved.
          Given food this way plenty of times…never disappointed.

          • We gave a woman begging in Wally World a dollar which she promptly threw on the ground and told us we insulted her! I picked it up and explained how she should take her big self into the store and get a job because the next time I saw her begging I would use my pepper spray!! She took off!!!!

            • Priceless!

        • Arch,was in hometown city seeing a concert(Tull of course!)when was going into a sub shop and hit up for change.I asked what he needed and said a meal,so asked him what he wanted and ended up eating lunch with him.He was working part time/going to college and living out of a car/keeping fairly clean at the Y.When my dad/mom/grandfather went to college all they needed was a part time gig that paid for school and all,still had time to study and actually party a little.This kid told me that students on parents dime were helping him out and they had a party he didn’t go to as he didn’t drink,turns out all the admission to keg party money was for him,not all the students selfish pigs.He was in his last year at Northeastern getting engineer degree,hope it all worked out for him and he remembered and helped others in challenging times.

          • That is one condition for my donations–they help someone else when able to.

        • Have you ever noticed that most people who beg on the street corners are all smokers? They have made enough begging, to afford smokes. just remember when you give people money on the street corners, you are supporting their smoking habit.
          What really gets me going, is to see people begging across the street from a salvation army or Goodwill location. if they really wanted help, they could go into either facility and ask for help finding a job, or a hot meal. but begging is their job.

      29. I’d have that stupid punk for blabbing . Typical liberal shit.

        • The clip looked stereotypical to me. The Dad appeared ex-mil, even dressed in fatigues. The intruder was a liberal-looking hippy/baby boomer type, the older son had long college/trendy-type appearance, while young son looked like ordinary kid his age.

          This Nat Geo presentation might be stuffed with plenty of propaganda, that only sheeple could interpret. The way it may be intended to come across, might not fit our ideals.

          • Yeah the smarter sheeps will be thinking , how about a few rounds in them propane tanks . Or how about I don’t even bother to ask , just start sniping before the food runs out.

            If I have run across one person whose only preps were firearms and a crate of MRE’s , I have run across a thousand.

            • One of my last preps were rifles to attempt to deal with those that bought guns as their main preps.

              • Incognito – scrolling down, my thumb hit the red. My bad!

              • Incognito – when it refreshed, the red thumb I just apologized for was gone….things that make you go hmmmmm!

          • sixpack:

            There is a lot of us on this blog that are far enough in our education of TPTB to realize that this NatGeo program is not intended for a “true and tried” prepper.

            A huge part of the “takeover” of any country by “communists” is to strike enough FEAR in the citizens so that the majority are willing to give up their freedom for “SECURITY” provided, of course, by government goons. That “security” was provided to the Russian people by the Bolshevik government…. and for the most part it meant a death sentence.

            The MSM eagerly points out anything going on in America daily that has anything to do with terrorizing the sheeple. It is part of their plan and it is working well. At some point there will be a false flag so big that the sheeple will beg for the goons to “protect” them at any cost; freedom and the constitution be damned.

            Whether you watch or don’t watch this program; the MSM and NatGeo’s concern is not the tried and true prepper and patriot.

            • “the MSM and NatGeo’s concern is not the tried and true prepper and patriot” — Couldn’t have said it any plainer, POG.

              I think their biggest beef with Patriots, is they know WE AIN’T TOO SCARED TO FIGHT BACK.

            • The takeover of our country began when we stopped electing people to be our representatives and we started electing “leaders”. Politicians are not our leaders, they are supposed to be our peers and thus represent our voice to the nation. They are not my leaders nor do they represent me.

              • I think the real takeover began when we started falling for the moneyed people, simply because they have the mega-bucks to campaign with all of the bells and whistles, instead of scrutinizing what they stand for…THEY STAND FOR OTHER PEOPLE WITH MONEY.

                Let’s face it, an honest common man, who doesn’t have a whole lot of money (OUR TRUE PEER) couldn’t get elected, even if they let him try.

                Money runs our political system, and until we get the big bucks OUT of our politics, we will continue to lose no matter what else we do.


                • How very true, Sixpack. I actually looked into running at the state level. Talk about outrageous!! By law, you have to campaign and fundraise. And the buy-in to just sign up to run…Holey Moley!!

                  • Yep. That’s how they keep Joe Sixpack (no relation) out of any important positions.

                  • I believe the founders meant for our representatives to be common folk like You and I, not a bunch of elite hipocrates.
                    Time for some new kinda hope and change and part of it should be absolute term limits.

          • Yeah. I mean how stupid so you have to be to actually wear a uniform like that? You’re just identifying yourself as someone who can be a threat.

      30. Here you can eat Jason, don’t come back looking for more.

      31. Funny thing is when I was in Marine Corps boot camp, a Drill Instructor from another platoon came in our squadbay asking if he could have some toilet paper. Our DI told him we did not have any to spare but some idiot private, wanting to be all helpful, chimes in that we did.
        Our DI was forced to give some out but when the other DI was gone the private got ripped a new one for the butting in, not keeping his mouth shut and for volunteering something he should have kept between us.

        • Can you spare an after square.

          • Maybe just 1 ply of the 2 plys

      32. I told a friend of mine about a list of “100 Items That Disappear First in a Disaster” He wanted a copy so I was able to find it online at http://standeyo.com/News_Files/INFO_Files/100.items.html I think that printing it and adding updates & extra info would be helpful, such as next to “Coleman Fuel” write: Lantern mantles, fuel filters, extra flint & fire-starters. I even have a “Propane Tank Refill Adaptor” that I got from Camping World so I can refill the one pound cylinders from a 20 pound propane tank. My thought is to stock up on camping supplies NOW.

        • The 1 lb. cylinders will probably save you.

      33. Everyone of the BO supporters should see this horrid video. This is whom BO and the US government is sending military hardware over to. Total maniacs that eat people and enjoy this type of barbaric savage animal like behavior. This is whom BO supports. This is the fearless “leader” that is the head of the U.S. and head of what is governed in the U.S. This is what they support instead of just leaving what is going on in Syria alone and staying out of a terrible situation and instead concentrating on helping America heal their own internal problems, that are massive.

        These are the same demons that attack and murder innocent Christians in Syria, Egypt, and many other places just because they hate them because they are not muslims. These are the vicous bloodthirsty insane lunatics that the U.S. spends the tax dollars of the over taxed American people that they are arming. This is part BO’s legacy, along with the crumbling of the U.S. right beofre our eyes. Again BO, good job Nero keep playing that fiddle. This is a link on Stan Deyo’s web site.

        Warning: Extremely horrible and disturbing to watch.


        • I have but one thing to say: from the movie Rules of Engagement (I believe it is the name), where Samuel Jackson says— WASTE THE MOTHERFU-KER’S. For me enough said.

          • Anon – my thoughts exactly. I was thinking more of nuking these savage fucks off the face of the earth. You see the small kids witnessing this. It will only get worse.

      34. Paranoia-Greed-Fear-Driving others away at gunpoint , or just murder the sick and starving ’cause- ZOMBIES!!! The world is going to hell-and y’all are leading the way. People that act like this will be among the first to turn to eating PEOPLE. Often BEFORE they run out of other food. This is the mind set that hides in the doombunker with an Acme X-3000 sniper rifle and shoots the children playing “outside the wire” because ZOMBIES!!! When this becomes your “survival plan” you have developed a condition called Delusional Paranoia and should be medicated- restrained and disarmed as soon as possible. It is a VERY short step from this kind of paranoid, homicidal ideology to murder or suicide. This is the REASON the DHS is trying to demonize “prepping”. They see us ALL as mentally unstable.

        • Looks like you drank the KoolAid, Ray. You and yours are the kind at the fence, begging for food, and being turned away at gunpoint, because you have faith in Hussein Obama and Big Nanny Government.
          I’ll help all the people I can after the collapse except for your type which “knew better”.
          You’ll be among the first to go – and good riddance.

          • After the collapse, his kind won’t be around to try and help.Thank the God of my understanding!!

        • Ray

          If you stay at home you will be safe.

        • Ray, I tell you what. You open your stores to every Tom, Dick and Harry who shows up and then you and your family can face the consequences.

          I’ll stick to protecting my family and our stores from the beggars with whatever force is necessary. And if it means having to kill some of them or turning them away in the middle of February, I can live with the nightmares I know I will have later.

      35. If there’s an attack, it’s a “selfie.” When the news says the CIA has been hacked, it’s only means the marketing or recruiting site has been breached. To claim that cia.gov is in any way connected to the agency’s operational computers is ridiculous.

        Same goes for Con-Ed and its commerce related websites. The computers that have information for customers, and that collect payments, have nothing to do with the machines that comprise the electric grid. To claim otherwise is woe-fully inaccurate.

        If we are really at such a low point, that even hard-nosed preppers believe hackers can reach the power grid. Which maybe people are that naive? Then that level of full-spectrum misinformation is probably far more fatal than any kind of false flag grid-down cyber attack could ever be.

        This shtfplan website isn’t maintained by magic. There are concrete tangible mechanical, electrical components, lines of code and so forth.

        The howls of terror of cyber-superstitiousness concerns me that perhaps most if not nearly all have become airheaded Eloi. Easy prey for Morlocks who need only create shadows of ess “h”-ing the f, and then eat their “free-lunch.”

        hashtag #Website Blackout: Someone’s breached the server firewall fence… they want our data!

      36. I’m faking a feint AND I’m pregnant OR maybe I’m just passing gas, have swollen feet and have asstroids. Love your dress. Pay attention to me. Do you see me now. They paid me to do this.

        • Shut up anonymous says. Why don’t you take your toys somewhere else and play? You write like a nine year old liberal maggot. :-d

      37. Life is always “give and take”. In a situation where you are isolated, you need to constantly be alert to what is out there and what is going on. There is information to be gained from someone approaching you but they may be out seeking information as well or they may be out to do you harm. Is he/she a ‘friend or foe’? ‘Shoot first and ask questions later’ sounds good but that person you shot may not be alone. All action can expect a reaction. People living in glass houses should not be in the habit of throwing rocks.

        Opsec is key but it needs to be combined with a plan and a means to gather intelligence from the surrounding areas, including neighbors, travelers, and even further out. You don’t know who is coming down that road or who (all) is coming through that forest. You are only as strong as your weakest link. That child needs to understand that there are certain procedures that need to be followed with any outside contact. There needs to be a chain of command and every member of the team needs to have their own assigned duties and responsibilities.

        Knowledge is another key or as some put it, ‘knowledge is power’. You always need to gather information and have ‘eyes and ears’ out there and a way to process that information and glean out what is vital. The more ‘friends’ you have out there the better off you will be. Technological means for gathering information is fine if you have it but nothing can take the place of having hard assets on the ground that can provide the information that you need and an extension of your ‘eyes and ears’. Alternatives come through knowledge.

        Life is always about connections. Connections always involve some kind of ‘give and take’, but, allow the ‘connected’ to expand their activities and influence exponentially in an ‘e to the X’ way as BI likes to say. Connections allow a flow of information and resources that may be vital for the existence of the isolated unit. There is a time to hunker down and there is a time to move around and reach out.

        There’s an ancient saying roughly translated that says, “It is better to live far away from the authorities, and, it is best if your source of water is close”. Trust God and keep your powder dry. The wise man builds his house upon the rock and when the storm comes it will not be blown away. Be alert and oriented X 3 (person, place, and time) at all times.

      38. Having visited the shows’s website, I’m predicting that the prepper family and the father in particular are going to be portrayed as paranoid and selfish hoarders. I’m also going to wager they come to a bad end during the show. The kid offering the food to the neighbor is actually the daughter’s boyfriend who ends up unexpectedly bugging in with the preppers and starts rocking the lifeboat. I personally don’t have cable tv so I won’t be watching the show Sunday night, but I still plan on finding a way to view it. I mostly want to see if my predictions are correct. Plus there’s a wealthy yuppie couple who are absolutely clueless that I want to see deal with the blackout (yeah, I can be mean that way).

      39. I’m a web site admin and HIPPa is my password. I own the source code. It doesn’t work? Stalin, Hitler & Mussolini are proud.

      40. Part of bushcraft is sharpening your senses to the point of developing a kind of esp over nature.

        • Yeah. Mm-hmm.

      41. I went to our local sign shop and had them make me two signs,24×24,Red letters on white background:WE KILL TRESPASSERS.Cost me 20.00 per.
        Not going to put them up just yet.

        • Never post a sign informing of your intentions, premeditated comes to mind, yes you could get raked over the coals for that in this liberal world we live in
          their lawyer will have a field day with that

          just warn the intruder with a shot to the head, fuck the words on a sign

          • a simple no trespassing sign will suffice , trust me

      42. Leave the stupid camo gear in your hunting locker you old people “veterans” (murderers). Dress like your neighbors are. Tonight I walked into a theater with a bowie knife and a full size Glock under my coat and no one was the wiser.

        • Eisen, call 1-800-EAT-SHIT.

        • Eise:
          Please come to my theater and try your shit there. Before you get to the second victim. I will put at least 5 124 Gr h.p. 9mm in your chest. And send you to Jesus!
          You are why more people should carry. They can put down scum like you.

          • Sgt Dale,

            I keep 147+p federal law enforcement HST as my carry ammo of choice. There is a youtube channel from TNOUTDOORS and he test the balistics of most ammo and that is his choice over speer gold dot.

            • Indy
              Very good advise!!!!
              I carry 124 Gr Hydro Shocks in my off duty weapon. Its what the Chief wants us to use. I do like the 147Gr Hydro shock and the Gold Dot are great rounds. Like I said the chief wants the 124’s. I shoot 100% with them(just got done qualifying with my 469 S&W on 10/18/13)
              My duty round 230 Hydro Shocks in my USP 45. That caliber and round will stop a man in his tracks, two rounds will stop a man on PCP. I’ve seen it done.
              Thanks for the advise!
              AIM SMALL MISS SMALL

          • Sgt. Dale, eisen is a troll on steroids.

            • Braveheart:
              He would be troll playing with worms if he pulled that SH&T around me!!

              • Sarge, I hear you loud and clear, sir. let him try something stupid around me and he’ll get a nice dose of 00 buck courtesy of “Bertha”.

                • Keyboard killer. *Pats you on the butt* There, there. Nice grandpa. Go eat your metamucil.

              • Second victim? Scum like me? What the fuck are you talking about, asswipe? Are you comparing me to that shooting in CO? Well fuck you too grandpa.

                • Else:
                  That’s Grandpa “SIR”. If you hurt anyone in presence I would put you down like a sick dog!! (NO DISRESPECT TO DOGS).
                  You are right!. Anyone that hurts a person just because he can won’t see Jesus. Man is he in for a sunburn!!!!
                  I really like how tuff guys talk on the blogs. Don’t you?

                  • Blow it out your ass, closeted queer.

                • Best to just ignore Eisenkreuz. He’s just having his period.

                • Eisen, go f#$% yourself!

          • Sgt,
            You know he’s not going to Jesus!!
            But I thought the bowie knife thing was a bit overboard.

            • Shogun, Eisen is always overboard.

      43. I don’t have Dvr and this comes on same time as walking dead .decisions decisions.

        • 69,Walking Dead of course!Two reasons,one,it hits the fan at least you got in your final episode in!Two,the folks in that show deal realistically with a SHTF scenerio,even with zombies tis much more realistic then geo show will be!

      44. 1) Nat Geos has a bad track record. They have made a mockery of Doomsday Preppers. I’ll watch it and see. But am very cynical.

        2) It looks like from the get go, the prepper is the bad guy.

        3) A real prepper would know his neighbors. Some might be of use.

        4) A bucket of rice is $8 and throw in some seasoning. Pass out an old spare CB radio and tell them to hook up the battery. They can radio for help and be a buffer from attacks. They don’t have the Prepper mind set and will probably die. But they can be an early warning and might take some bad guys out.

          • And be an accomplice for murder?

            On a positive note. The stench from the diarrhea and bodies all over should keep the raiders at bay.

        • you make a good point about knowing your neighbor. It’s just well known common sense, that most rural people know their neighbors. Most have lived in the same area for a while, and know every one around them. The idea that some new neighbor would show up that this guy in the clip didn’t know, is just stupid and unrealistic.

      45. I get the sense that even though the media and government criticize preppers, there is a subtle attempt being made to encourage people to begin making preparations for some type of disaster or economic meltdown. I’ve noticed seen docudramas on the History channel over the past couple of years depicting this type of stuff. What do they know but aren’t telling us?

      46. The countryside. Why did he not know his neighbor? Small villages and the countryside where everyone knows everyone are the places to survive, as long as everyone can pull together.
        If they had been acquainted they could have helped each other, he could prepare land for food in exchange for a little food etc. You cannot survive on your own or in a small family unit. There has to be exchange.
        Everyone should be prepared at least financially for three months; people can’t even manage that.
        People in towns are going to have such pain, I really feel sorrow for them, perhaps now is the time to acquaint yourselves with your neighbors?

        • Nope!! If they don’t associate with me now–why in the name of Heaven would I want them eating my stored food and getting my shampoo??
          Not gonna happen.

      47. Just had an X 1.7 solar flare ending at 4:48 AM EDT and a couple of small M class after that.

        The sun seems to be getting busy.

        Make sure your electronics are wrapped up properly.

      48. Fences only keep the unarmed out

        set up alarm systems (simple, non electronic)

        Controlling children will be the hardest thing, both kids should have been 1) trained in firearms, and protection, 2) sent away from person, optional..3) sent to scout for co-horts

      49. “www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWr_MepOfM”

      50. 50yrs of immoral, materialistic, superficial rot being shoved in our faces daily is what is going to make this crash different than those in the past —

        50yrs of brainwashed, dumbed down, don’t think state run education, our computerized, industrialized world has everyone lazy, stupid and incoherent to the dangers of the real world and taking care of themselves when the electricity goes off. Much less someone else.

        heck, if there are no cell phones, no internet I think 50% of the people will go batshit insane right over the edge. You can’t go anywhere without seeing every other person ON THEIR PHONE. what did we do before phones and the web inputting information constantly?

        It takes me at least 3 days to recover from visiting the high school. The narcissistic, whining, unempathetic inmates leave me depressed for at least that long.

        As for survival, does anyone think that people who can’t survive “bullying” or teasing from others or being cut off on the road, or being made to wait in line are going to survive a SHTF scenario ?

      51. I’m going to watch it regardless of propaganda…I’m just a prepper junkie and need all things prepper related.

      52. Sure,may be a scare tactic/just entertainment for masses but I bet it wakes up a few people.Some folks will discuss and get and oil grandpas old rifle out of the attic/do some shopping and storing/just at least if financially possible cover some basics and come up with ideas to help them in a SHTF scenerio with what they already have,this is a good thing.Remember folks,while time even the smalls in planning/prepping can add up weekly to those just starting with a limited income.To those who say they would throw their kids over the fence,great idea!They will be back with a large armed group,you may or may not survive!You gonna toss you need to well…That said as always putting up a good news link to show folks still have a conscience, http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/family-life/pets/vets-dogs-denied-on-airline-wrigley-heiress-lends-private-jet.html ,nice story.Live and enjoy the day,prepare for tomorrow,oh,and enjoy the weekend all!

      53. Dangerous Freedom Vs. Peaceful Slavery


        brief article
        WELL worth your time to read

        just an excerpt

        “The words above reflect a state of mind and disposition that has been expressed by philosophers and revolutionaries for thousands of years. It is not a novel or new concept, but it is a concept that seems to have been forgotten across much of these United States. The population has largely been domesticated and this is the primary reason why there has been such little pushback to the global oligarchs looting the landscape. A pathetically large percentage of the population would rather not think, they’d prefer to be told what to believe. They would rather not have any risk in their lives, they’d prefer to have shiny gadgets handed to them. They would rather not explore the wonderful expansive world around them, they’d rather sit on the couch and watch television.”

      54. *****H7N9 UPDATE*****

        New bird flu cases signal potential winter epidemic


        “Ab Osterhaus, a leading virologist based at the Erasmus Medical Centre in the Netherlands who has been tracking the virus, told Reuters earlier this month: “We’re bracing for what’s going to happen next.”

        China bird flu analysis finds more threats lurking


        be watching H7N9 closely

        if we start to see cases outside of China

        game on…

        • It will probably end in White Genocide, as most Whites have been conditioned to fear being called a name, more than being murdered, and/or watching their own people be anihiliated.

          • JustMe, I have long suspected that a lot of whites will die because they’re too brainwashed to stand up to ANY animals, but I believe blacks will suffer a much higher death toll. There’s not enough of them to kill all the whites.

          • It might tart with an attempt at white genocide, but it’ll end like Sowell says. Asians hate the Schwartzes, mexicans hate the schwartzes, Italians hate the Melanzana, (my lowlife co-worker Dominic F. pronounced it “moolinyans”), and on and on. I suspect the only protectors they will get will be unarmed liberals, and they will pay their benefactors back with rape and murder, as happened to a couple who took in some Nawlins refugees a few years ago.

      55. Just so you know’
        “Today, no telephone in America makes a call without leaving a record with the NSA. Today, no Internet transaction enters or leaves America without passing through the NSA’s hands,” Snowden said in a statement Thursday.

        • Fantastic,lost some pics I didn’t back up when old laptop crashed,will give em a call!

      56. STHF sandy claws will come back out of shooting range and start a fire . WTF kinda morons don’t have a few pit traps full of crap smeared stakes by the fences ? LOL

      57. You all can get excited if you want, and I admit it’s really tempting. But history has shown that these types of shows are usually full of shit or biased ridiculously. Just look at the loons they have on Doomsday Preppers or Doomsday Castle. This is part of the PR campaign against people like us. I guarantee you the guy in the show will end up mowing down an innocent hungry family, probably while wearing camo and using an Ar-15 with a 100 round drum magazine. Then taking the people and making “long pork” out of them.
        I hope I am wrong but the MSM doesn’t like us and Nat Geo is as MSM as it gets.

      58. So very elated this site is back up and running. Missed everything about it while it was down. Have been reading a lot about quantum physics and how all is related and part of the whole. A cancer cell only thinks about his next meal which is the host. A healthy cell is working in harmony with the complete body. Just a thought………I will be watching because I am extremely interested in all things survival even if I learn that being part of the whole is the only true way to survive. Best wishes to all here

      59. Earthquake update, number 24 just occurred as showing something massive is coming. In the eastern corner of the Australian plate there was a precursor quake that in the past has lead to a major earthquake 85% of the time within 15 days. This one lead up to the 8.1 in 1974 in Peru, 7.5 in Loyalty Islands in 1980, 7.7 in Fiji in 1997, and 7.8 in 2009 off the west coast of South Island new Zealand. This is 16 out of 27 times that one of these precursor quakes has had a 8+ quake follow. 59% of the time.

        To put this into perspective just how rare great earthquakes and mega quakes are, 8+, there have been ONLY 87 earthquakes 8+ since 1900, which 4 of these were either aftershocks or foreshocks. That means 83 earthquakes of 8+ have occurred in the past 113 years. On the average one every 497 days.

        To have these little tiny pinpricks of earthquake precursors locations to have an earthquake in the same spots 16 times to have one of these huge 8+ to follow defies pure chance as almost impossible. The planet is trying to tell people something, it is gearing up for something huge. Just one third of a degree away from these precursor locations would have totally changed the parameters of what major earthquakes followed. Yet again this morning, another 8 pointer followed the same location getting hit before. And a 7.8, 7.7, and 7.5. These precursor locations usually don’t have this type of major earthquakes of this size follow.

        The most worrisome of this is that even after the major earthquake east of the South Sandwich Islands yesterday, the wonderful USGS can’t even get the correct magnitude anymore as it was upgraded from 6.2 to 6.7, the precursor earthquake activity continues. AND continues to show something very large is coming.

        @ VRF. Several of these precursor quakes are pointing to the Peru to Ecuador border region, you might want to advice your family that they are again in one of the danger areas for a very large quake coming. The other areas I have mentioned before remain quite hot.

        • Morning BI,

          Things are ‘popping’ all over the place aren’t they? Incidentally,

          “To put this into perspective just how rare great earthquakes and mega quakes are, 8+, there have been ONLY 87 earthquakes 8+ since 1900, which 4 of these were either aftershocks or foreshocks. That means 83 earthquakes of 8+ have occurred in the past 113 years. On the average one every 497 days. ”

          THANK YOU for that info!!!! I have no access to the long-term historical records for the seismic arena and THAT little bit of data is FASCINATING – in extremis – to me. Therefor, AGAIN; “Thank You my Friend.”

          I beleive that we are going to see a general ‘upshift’ in activity – on several fronts here – soon…just an intuition here, FWIW….Anywho, till later Y’all


      60. Anyone recall that movie “The Day After”…with Jason Robards circa 1983?
        I suspect this movie will be a big wake up for many people, and make some very nervous.
        Hopefully that nervousness channels positively into a prepping lifestyle.

        • You betcha… got it in the $5 bin at wally world… in the end of the movie they have a disclaimer that says that things will actually be significantly worse during the “real thing.”… oh boy… decent movie, though….

        • Yep! Found it free online….I think it was on YouTube.

      61. SOLAR ALERT: X-Flare…

        At 08:01 UTC this morning the newly rotated-in region NOAA 11882 emitted an X-ray pulse of magnitude X-1.7. Given it’s location near to the eastern limb the probability of a subequent geo-effective CME is low. LASCO did capture a ‘bright’ non-halo emision at that time. FYI, this IS the first occurance pf an X-class event since this Spring past.

        Looks like things are shaping up to get VERY interesting in the bext week, we’ll soon see, Eh?


        • @ JustOneGuy. With the high activity on the GOES X-ray chart the past couple of days this does not surprise me to see a X flare. What I am seeing the same with the extreme activity of precursor quakes, it looks like a huge earthquake is coming. I see the highest points of a massive earthquake occurring in:

          China/India border
          Japan to Kuril Islands
          Kamachatka Peninsula area
          Aleutian Islands to southern Alaska
          Cascadia fault area
          Southern Mexico
          Central America to Caribbean
          Ecuador to far north Chile
          Far eastern Indonesia
          New Guinea to Samoa/Fiji

          My bet is still India/China, Aleutians, and Peru to Ecuador as the highest chance of a super quake. This is where the most energy is coming from. It would be a nightmare if all three locations went wouldn’t it be?

          • Howdy Friend!

            Seems we are BOTH here at the same time for a change, excellent! I concur whole-heartedly with you asessment of the Indian region and the Pacific Northwest…both are – to my mind – “Overdue” for something extraordinary. As well, from an historical perspective the GREAT QUAKE in South America – Chile – did occur not too terribly far time-wise from the Alaskan event…

            As you say, “. It would be a nightmare if all three locations went wouldn’t it be?”…Oh yes, One BEYOND BELIEF, I shudder at the thought!

            This new spot group which was the source of this morning’s X-flare is another ‘unusual’ region like we saw in the Spring (near as can be told from this angle of view), another, smaller than anticipated region, producing X-flares, strange.

            I am watching EVERYTHING Now ‘as fast as I CAN!” 😉

            Something similar to ‘feets don’t FAIL me now’ or “Don’t SHOOT Me…I’m DANCING as fast as I CAN…” a little non-linear JOG humor there Y’all Well, then till later…


          • Large combined fault slip and an x45 within 2 hours of eachother,,,

          • What ticks me off to all ends is that our government knows all this and keeps the people in the dark instead of treating us like adults and giving us idea’s on how best to prepare. i try to prepare but im sure there are things i could do better if they just were honest for once in their miserable lives.instead they keep supplying their underground shelters in the hopes they will survive whatever is coming an want depopulation anyways so keeping us in the dark is part of their preparations. Thankfully God treats us all equally and in the end their underground safety may end up being their tombs.

            • Not “May end up,” they will end up being their graves and that is probably after the “help” has helped themselves to doing the scumbags in… amen, brother….

          • Hi BI,

            What is really ‘wierd’ about this is that the spot from which the X-flare’s are orginating is SMALL…JUST like the last occurance in the Spring-time. ALSO, this is EXACTLY what happened last time as well; a HUGE GRB passes, then some time later a spot group – otherwise far too small to be behaving like THIS – ‘goes off’….I AM quite sure at this point that there IS a causal connection between the two , CERTAIN off it, in fact.


            • Oh dear Voice, can you please explain why the comet ison looks to be traveling toward earth on the “Enlil Solar Wind Prediction” site…. and maybe why nasa puts it on Enlil?



              • Crap its not enlil, but looks like the same type of info…. never mind… I’ll ask again when I have the question right…..

                • @anyone who wants a cool link to watch solar/space weather. Its got everything.

                  …it was ENLIL, just not the easy access from NOAA, which shows nothing… finally found it thru nasa. omg.

                  This is from iNtegrated Space Weather Analysis/nasa.

                  The following link will Not function with Internet Explorer, must use “Chrome or Firefox”…


                  To my question….
                  Once open click on “planetary/spacecraft” & ENLIL Density (Inner Planets)… From the drop down menu in the lower left, adjust as needed. Here is the big question… why is Isons’ trajectory toward earth and not the sun…?

                  Otherwise, just some good stuff…


          • Cha-ching!!!

            Right on the MONEY BI! Congrats, “Immaculate” Friend!


      62. One should be wiser than that Dad.
        Never approach your perimeter to engage anyone during any crisis event. That guy could have had three armed people hiding 100′ away and after drawing them to the fence their family was then all shot.
        Only the Dad was armed as well. Pistol? He believed the younger son when he told his Dad he DID NOT THINK the guy was armed… Say what!! Never ever assume someone is not armed! Would you walk around not armed?
        The older son was not carrying a battle rifle to back up his Dad. Lousy son….
        In addition they had not per-established their responses as a family group so when the older dumb son interrupts (offering food contrary to the Dads words) he creates yet a worse environment for the Dad to try to manager. Big help he was…

        Have in place the means to contact anyone at the gate or perimeter from a distance. A bullhorn is a good start but a hard wired com set up is better. Next if you are approached at the gate or at any other perimeter position then deploy well armed people to the flanking and opposite sides of your area as it could well be a faint and the real problems are coming from behind you. That Dad had no back up and no one watching his six at all.

        So his family was not all on the same page. Deadly.
        So his family members were not all well armed…even the young boy can handle a .22 Even more deadly.
        So they had no way to engage a stranger of friend from a safe distance, preferably from out of visual sight to the strangers. Good way to get drawn out and shot.
        So the neighbor now knows just the Dad carries a side arm. Not good at all.
        So the Dad is outside working and neither son is well armed and watching over him. Failure from day one. That fence would not stop anyone wanting to come in and the Dad would have been blind sided and killed on the spot.

        Conclusion… this family does not survive the crisis event if even one determines outsider wanted their stuff.

        • Great points!:)

        • precisely why I’m watching the show! so i can point out the many mistakes they will be making. i find myself often educating my little minions how foolish it is to “accept” things that directors of movies ask you to believe. and i’m sure this will be no exception.BTW, one of my favorite movies to educate my kids was “zombieland”…i just loved his “rule # so and so…like “doubletap(make SURE they are DEAD and won’t come back to eat you….and “cardio”…gotta be in good shape to outrun the zombies. much information can be gleened from all of those apocalyptic movies.

        • Thanks for the comment. Just been at this like 16 years now and it has required almost a complete mind flushing of all the garbage and traditional BS which the education system, the media, most man run religious groups spew out and thought control this country has placed into us to see these things from a more pure survival view.

          If you intend to survive then you must stop thinking in the many ways you currently do. First…nothing good comes from venturing out to your distant perimeter to see anyone. A neighbor has no use to you unless they are visually located within a close rifle shot, equally well prepared and completely tied in with you long before hand. But to be like that your retreat can not be secluded and off the beaten path. Neighbors to far away to see are no value to you and you are none to them as per common defense.
          Your neighbors will just become like all the others outside your perimeter… at best a threat lusting after your goods and well prepped site or your out right enemy. If you think you can buy their loyalty and new friendship with food and water then just meditate what that new deep warm and fuzzy relationship will do when you cut them off. Cut them off you will no matter what any of you preach now because you can not feed them and others for very long.
          Once you start they know you have the supplies they both need and want. When you stop they still know and believe there is much more and will either kill you or force you to kill them trying to take it from you. Survival 101 in nature…..

          Thus in my honest attempt not to kill my neighbors or anyone at all our growing conclave will not hand out one drop of water, one crumb of food and will not trade either. That could all change once law and order is re-established but until then not a chance.

          I also only work with sold out preppers with the coin to fully fund the needed items to join with the rest of us. That is the most difficult commodity to find in prepping…real preppers who can afford to do it right.

          Bleeding hearts are not true preppers……

          • Real good post friend, i like what you said about getting rid of everything you learned from religion, school etc…
            Lots to think about, better now than after,
            Also like what you mention about distance and neighbors.

        • I would wager you are a great chess player

          • I use to play much more chess. Perhaps again soon. Been winning at Texas Hold’em 😉 Preppers are gamblers at heart…did you realize that?

            Anyway if any of you ever get serious you best be in North Idaho and forget about any other spot in this country… and as to this country I already have spent a couple years looking into where to go outside this ever grow cesspool of our entitlement, obese, texting, electronics addicted, Pillsbury doughman society which will foul our streets with their rotting corpse if their cell phones fail and they can not get their fast food and food stamps redeemed.

            Our current civilian population would have perished at the hands of those living here just 100 years ago… how sad we have fallen so far so fast in the name of progress.

            • Rancher.

              Chess? You know somebody that plays Chess?
              Lucky if I can find a person who knows how to play a good game of checkers.

        • “If I had raised my hand on high, as I have kept it low…”


          Anyone approaching a contact like that should have at least one sniper covering him all the time, and should approach the perimeter unarmed, so as not to alert the intruder. A simple movement, such as raising both hands, is the signal for the sniper to take immediate action.

      63. a nationwide power outage for any extended period of time is highly unlikely ….regional power outages do happen and you should prepare accordingly

      64. Looking forward to watch the Natl.Geo. film. Living in a large city, we had to develop our own OPSEC which primarely involves keeping our mouth shut and making sure our neighbors do not know what we have stored away. The recent EBT problem was a good indicator of what will happen when food stamps will be reduced or stopped all together. No way will our police be prepared to handle the riots or crime which will happen. I can see that the military might be called in to help. People who say they can’t prep because of a lack of money are not sincere. I am a disabled vet living on a fixed income and I was able to set up a nice little pantry for my family. Yes, it took time, but we can hold out for at least 90 days without needing anything from the outside. We are now looking around to see if we can associate with some other people who have also prepped. We met some and will decide in the near future if we will take the next step in our association. I just want to make sure they are of the same mindset as we are. No crazies or rambos. These are challenging times and I am convinced that something will happen in the very near future. Don’t know what, but I do know our govt. can’t continue to support 50 million people on food stamps.

      65. I’m pretty sure NatGeo will make preppers look like the bad guys…guess we’ll need to wait and see. The bum who goes begging for what he didn’t have the forethought or concern to do before hand, putting his wife and kids in great peril, is made to look like the poor, concerned pedestrian who is just a good guy doing what he needs to do. Ain’t the welfare mentality great! The prep per is made to look like he didn’t raise his teen son to be anything but a dumb yuppy puppy maggot. It does NOT add up!

      66. I’m pretty sure NatGeo will make preppers look like the bad guys…guess we’ll need to wait and see. The bum who goes begging for what he didn’t have the forethought or concern to do before hand, putting his wife and kids in great peril, is made to look like the poor, concerned pedestrian who is just a good guy doing what he needs to do. Ain’t the welfare mentality great! The prep per is made to look like he didn’t raise his teen son to be anything but a dumb yuppy puppy maggot. It does NOT add up!

      67. I would of helped him and his family out, at least the first time. After that, I’d probably take the same action the man did in the video.

        You think things are bad now……wait til the Tetrad. When the four blood moons hit in 2014/2015 it may be that none of this and the prepping will matter anymore.

        • There is no first time without a last time and when the last time occurs you will get shot in the back as they know and believe you still have more and you have become there source. Hunger and fear will drive them to now kill you because of your first time….

      68. Jason did just what we teach our children to do in a world that hasn’t gone to sh%t. I have always said that if you ask I will help you. Just don’t tell me that I have to help you. After the SHTF that all changes!

        Jason just didn’t understand that the SHTF and now we are on our own. During the 30rdies I was told by my grandmother that if you fed a Bum he would mark your house to tell all the other bums where to get food.

        This crash is going to be different. Only around 20% live in the country and only about 10% are prepared. compared to the 20/30rdies 809% lived in the country, and put away food. Not today!!!

        A couple things I saw in the clip was the father was the only one that was armed. Not in my world when the SHTF every one will be armed with at least a handgun. The father also put himself in harms way by not using cover to approach the man at the fence. Hells bells the guy at the fence could have had a sniper aiming at him.
        There was no alarm system at the fence. (trip wire or some type of alarm).
        Those propane tanks should be camoed. If its Marshall law to bright white tanks are targets for drones. If it is just a collapse they still are easy to see at distance.
        A second fence with barbed wire and some type of traps between the two fences would add to the security of the area. A guard tow would also help here.
        I’m planning on watching it. or tape it.
        The father should have explained to all in the group that only one talk, and no one tell anyone what they have.
        The feds already know what you have. but when the SHTF no one will know what you have.
        STAY PREPARED!!!!!

        • @Sgt. Dale
          Well said. Without knowing what kind of ‘brush’ they are going to paint the survivalists and preppers in this show, we can draw on what we saw from the trailer/clip:

          -The ‘Father’ is middle aged 50-60, slight military mindset(and I mean slight)and not very good with opsec.

          -His younger son was off alone by the perimeter fence, not something I would suggest. He is also the one that even alerted the father figure that anyone was even there. Obviously you cannot patrol your lines of fence without sentries and it looks like the father was the only one armed.

          -The father was the only authority figure that showed up to confront the stranger at the fence, so the stranger got an eyeful and learned many things from his one encounter:

          -He learned that young children go off alone.

          -that only one person responded with threat of force and did not show a long rifle, only a 1911 .45

          -that the fathers family is not well disciplined or trained and that there may not be any other authority figures or threats there.

          -that the father did not have a radio or other comms. on him or at least not showing.

          -father figure had no vest, helmet or protective gear on

          -that they have tons of firewood and large propane tanks right out in the open.

          Summary: Easy target and resource rich.
          Repeat fence encounter with the little kid one more time with sniper(s) deployed and dad at fence(and others) will be dead. Hungry group moves in and storms property and cleans house. End of story.

          • EXCELLENT assessment socrates! EXCELLENT.

        • Since the 1st time I seen the Patriot, I have always been curious what “aim small miss small” means?

          • It is just as it sounds: Aim for a small spot on a target the head, or between the eyes, or even an eye… or even a button on the targets shirt. If you practice hitting small targets and become proficient, you will almost always be able to hit your target, somewhere.

          • BJ:
            Do you understand now?
            The smallest area you aim at, the closer you are to hitting just what you are aiming at. If you just aim at the whole target you might hit in the leg and not in the chest. Dose this help.
            Just letting you know that the rifles they used them day (1776) didn’t have that good of sights on them and most were smooth bore.
            They are not like modern rifles.

            • Sgt. Dale.

              My take on shot placement. Lots of it depends on the weapon you use. How many rounds have past across the rifling. Type of bullet. Weight of bullet. Do you clean your weapon. How does your barrel react when it gets hot.
              I am one that if I what to put one in the eye, that’s where I want it to go. I have benched a few rifles using vise clamps and small sandbags and with the hell of a good scope can do wonders. It takes time and patience and no idiots bothering you while you get down to business. A new gun after sighting may start to vary as the barrel breaks in. Keep in mind three shots at a time as you adjust. Let cool, clean barrel and repeat. Till you zero out. Lock Tight people! Use It!
              Should you get into a firefight and your barrel becomes hot you may find that the regular barrel bends. Bull barrels are nice and cool by heat sink and stay straight. Bullets will drift from your original zero. What your scope is saying, your weapon says another for point of impact. How much drift. You have to find out by shooting. When they cool they come back to zero of the scope.

              Just info for newbies.

              • SLINGSHOT

              • Thanks Slingshot, I’m going to sight in my first rifle next week. I may buy a lazer bore also to help. I always welcome tips

                • Indy
                  If you get a laser sighter just remember that the laser is in a strait line and slug comes out of the barrel it goes down a little then it starts to arch then goes down to your point of impact. (100 yards or what ever) The laser sighter might get you on paper but you will have to adjust it from there. That’s half the fun!
                  Good luck. Don’t forget that different bullet weight will hit deferent on your target. You might want to try different bullet weights to see what your gun likes best.
                  I have found in my 30/06’s that one gun shoots 165 gr better that 180 grain bullet, and my other 30/06 shoots 180 Gr better than 165 Gr. Same manufacture of the rifle. Close serial numbers.
                  Just a little insight.
                  Good luck and most of all HAVE FUN!
                  AIM SMALL MISS SMALL

                  • Thanks guys, I’m trying to sight the irons I out on my new AR. I watched a few army vids and think I got a good plan. I really do appreciate the insight here because I’ve learned a lot about firearms the last couple years. The one good thing about those glock problems I’ve had was I pretty much learned how every component inside the gun works. The next project is to remove the thread protector on my saiga AK so I can put a flash suppressor on it. I have to dermal the sleve off and be super careful not to go into the barre

              • Ok, now if hoards of welfare inner city zombies do come into your property in the country…..how large, wide and deep of a ditch would be needed to bury say 100 or 200 dead zombies? Then for hygenic reasons how deep must said zombies be buried? Should our hypothetical zombies bodies be burned before filling in their mass grave?

            • get it now guys, thanks

      69. I can see this might be helpful for Newbies. Old timers should have procedures already in place.

        • Slingshot
          You are right. The old timers should know all of this, but some time it just doesn’t hurt to see where you are at, and you just might see something that you forgot.
          This program just might show us what they are thinking and how we can counter it. (what I mean by “they” is the TPTB, because You and I both know that it is TPTB that are showing this program.)
          I have always found that teaching a new bee some thing is easier that some one that knows just a little. Just keep an open mind if you are going to watch it, Just like a New Bee.
          Good talking with you.

          • Well Sarge,have learned over the years no matter how much I know,there is more to learn to get things done/enjoy life and sometimes just easier ways to get the same thing done.I hope when I am done learning will either be dead or hopefully just dead drunk!I am a carpenter and learn new tricks daily on sites,some from others/some self taught,same with any skills in life so no one here or anywhere should be shy about sharing information,some may not agree and have a different way of doing a certain task but by hearing them out you learn form them also.Live and enjoy today,prepare for tomorrow and enjoy the weekend all!

      70. I have 2 gates they’d have to get through. I have a fence around my 20 acres, and a 2 1/2 acre fence immediately around my off the grid house. And I have 3 mean dogs. Good luck with someone getting through!

      71. Although fictional, a real prepper would have seen that as an opportunity to trade and maybe even created an alliance. Now he has an angry neighbor that will be quick to return the favor.

        • If this ‘neighbor’ idiot didn’t prepare BEFORE, what could he possibly have to trade that this prepared family needs?
          No, not an angry neighbor, a stupid neighbor that will only be a drain on the prepared family’s resources.
          Not worth it, folks. Don’t answer the door.

          • there is lots of things he could trade, he could help patrol the area and be an ally instead of a liability like he is going to be now. Like in the movie WWZ the jewish guy said “if we let them in we will have less zombies to fight later.

            • Exactly. Unskilled labor if nothing else. They can work clearing fire lanes, cut/split/stack firewood, mend or improve fence, dig latrines, you name it. In that time you’ll find out whether you can trust them at all.

              The Roman Republic became as large as it was not by totally conquering its’ neighbors, but by building alliances with them. (Of course that was cold comfort to the Etruscans.) The long term successful men will be the leader/organizers, not those who hide in a bunker waiting to be killed.

      72. This is being shared by permission from Karl Denninger: Please read carefully:

        There Is Only ONE Peaceful Path Left To Avoid Destruction

        Folks, if you have read me recently you know that I’ve said that you are the problem and that the reason this is true is that you won’t go on strike, you won’t picket DC and refuse to leave until the government stops stealing from you and debasing the currency, you won’t reduce your spending and income to only that which provides necessities, and most of you go on to justify your behavior with “my kids (and/or family) deserve what I can provide.”

        You’re fools and I’m going to prove it.

        Further, I’m going to prove — by arithmetic — that if you follow the above path you will destroy yourself along with your children and grandchildren.

        Here’s why.

        There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

        None of the people getting means-tested government benefits will ever vote to reduce them, nor vote for any politician that will reduce them.

        But it’s factually much worse than it first appears because federal government workers will not vote to fire themselves either, just as the 17th Amendment (ed: The worst thing to ever happen to this country) is inviolate because The Senate will never vote to fire itself.

        So we must in fact subtract 21,880,000 from the full-time worker count.

        In other words you’re outvoted by 36%.

        Does it make sense yet? This is not a small margin and it cannot be politically reversed because the margins are too high. Were the skew relatively small (and it looks small until you subtract out federal workers) you could potentially do so, because some people won’t vote and you could “motivate the base.” But note that with the federal workers out, and we’re not subtracting the State workers, which also exist on this same largesse, you can’t get there because this means nearly 40% of those receiving such benefits would have to stay home when reductions are proposed, and they never will.

        As such you cannot vote your way out of this.

        You cannot politically organize your way out of this.

        You can’t do it in the Democrat Party and you can’t do it in the Republican Party. Nor can you do it in a third party.

        Every single person who argues otherwise is an idiot or worse, a fraudster (if they have run the numbers above.)

        Delusions persist because people don’t examine the facts in detail. I recognize that I participated in attempting to politically change things for far too long because I did not look, in detail, at the math.

        But I can no longer make any logical argument that political activism is useful in any way, shape or form. It is a waste of energy, time and money that I can expend elsewhere on something that brings me more joy, rather than tilting at windmills.

        There is only one remaining peaceful way to change things: Withdraw your consent and thus intentionally but peacefully and lawfully destabilize the underpinning of the government debt market, thereby denying the government the means to continue screwing you, your children and grandchildren irrespective of the vote count.

        The only other choices remaining are consenting to your own economic death, along with that of your children and grandchildren, or violence.

        If you claim that you will “get yours” for “your kids” (or your spouse, or just yourself) you’re deluding yourself as the odds are that (1) you will fail and (2) even if you “succeed” the victory will be both temporary and pyrrhic as you cannot overcome the voting block deficiency.

        In short, read this Ticker again in light of the above mathematical facts.

        Then act, or not, but the math doesn’t care if you agree with it or not.

        • What is, “Withdraw your consent?” Please Define.

          • Basically he means Go Galt. He says he’s doing something like that himself. I certainly have. The IRS takes part of my pension, but beyond that they get no taxes from me because I do nothing taxable. Could be in any one of several small businesses, small parts machining, gunsmithing, small engine repair, producing goods for sale from my farm, engineering, CAD drafting,…., but I don’t do any of it, and I won’t. My old employer asked me to come back a year or so ago to help out. It could easily have meant $100/hr for four or five months, as many hours as I wanted. I said no. Because the damned Feds would have gotten nigh on to 40% of it.

            • Thanks Old Coach.

        • These points were obvious 20 years ago, it was known then, that the fix has been in for most of the last century, but the charade continues. It continues because most people do not want to face the hard cold brutal truth. I still know people who exclaim “If we could just get a good Republican in office, we can fix the country!” They don’t get it, and won’t get it, even in the end…

          • I agree, what is withdraw my concent? Just More idiotic psyhcobabble. Consider that the Fatcs is this. Supposedly there are TWO basic and Main “money theories” right?

            Keynsian vs that other guy that lew rockwell or somebody always promotes and I do not recall that money ‘experts” name?

            Well Get a Grip beause the real facts is You all know that the number one main problem is Jew banksters and their Usury intrest swidnles. None can deny this as its the truth. And Past 2000+yrs of History Proves that in every country, every time jews were allowed control of banks and money it ALWAYS leads to Usury/intrest=Ruination of country over 200-300 yr time frame.

            SO…Also consider that besides Keynes money policies, ALL the Other so called “experts” ideas, including Ron Pauls Gold plans, are certain to Fail since all of those folks are jewish money guys also. Or are gentiles too Fearfull to speak out, or are gentiles IN cahoots with talmudic money experts etc.

            Every idea and thought with anything related to Money by jews revolves around Jews get filthy rich while all others, gentile non jew Goyims get Bankrupted. Thats how they operated the past 3000+ yrs and its ALWAYS Based upon Their Talmud teachings and belifes PERIOD.

            Thats NOT jew bashing or antisemitisim etc it is simply FACT and TRUTH that an easy fast history research will Prove beyond doubt.

            Today Most Gold is owned and controled by the SAME Banksters and jew billionaires. So even a back to gold standard still LEAVES the SAME jew swindlers and zionists and kommies IN CONTROL!

            Most every website and book writer related to ALL things Money or financial matters is also Jewish and/or zionist. Although I suspect some are “Controled Opposition type writers”.

            It seems many folks who are starting to awaken to these Facts and Truths, still retain some type wishfull nice guy type thinking within themselves. That causes semi-awake folks, a few here too, to always have a Deep desire to believe and Promote such as “Well its Just a few a small few jews that are that way or do wrongs to gentiles etc”

            OR..Its more like the largest Falacy going today IE:”Well we Must all realize the huge Difference between, Zionists and regular or “good” jewish folks”.!!

            Face Facts people. Like it or not, it Is what it Is. And what It IS, means for at least 3500+ years now 99.99% of every jwish person frome Way back then up to TODAY, are steeped in, taught from, believe in, adhear to, their Talmudic Judiasim and their Rabbis who teach it etc.

            Therefore just like a Cat or Lion always seeks Prey, way different from how a avg Dog goes about its daily adventures when outdoors etc…So is the many major differences in the thoughts and mind set between talmudic jewish folks and all other gentiles.

            There is NO such thing as what You keep hearing of IE: there is NO has never Been any, Never will be any thing such as a “Jewdeo-Christian” mix or “combo”.

            A quick Glance at many biblical verses, especially the new covenant new testement books vs their Talmud shows that the two beliefs are like OIL and WATER! They do not mix, never Have mixed, and Never will mix properly Period. You will find NO other source that is More AntiChrist and Anti-Christian, than the Babylonian jewish Talmud.

            It matters NOT if you like it or not it is that way period.

            Even a cursoury examination of their ways and taludic practices and all they were taught and DO believe in, even the so called “Atheistic jews”. Proves they think way apart from all other gentile goyim.

            And NO where else does that prove itself in SPADES, other than where banks-money-usury interst, are involved.

            Far as I am concerned there is way More than enough Good reason and ever since 3500 yrs ago historically to NOT want nor trust ANY jewish systems or ideas where Banking and Money is at issue period.

            Try spending less time fantasizing on so many What IFS about some neighbor is at the wire/fence line that may never occure or may still be way off 50 yrs from now and You are long gone and dead by then anyways.

            And Divert all that Brainpower energy into a little Talmudic and jewish folks research, add in some jew banksters research for several thousand yrs now, and LEAVE OUT, Every facet or everything you ever saw or heard or were taught that revolves around WWII/jews/Nazis/hitler/6 million etc etc.

            Start from Scratch on the issues at hand. You cannot possibly reach any other conclusions than basically what I wrote of here. And that ANY current or future trusts or beliefs or Trials of ANY jewish promoted monetary and bank systems will Always be abject Failures, if You are Not jewish and rather you are a non jew Goyim gentile.

            ALL/EVERY jewish system that deals with 100% of everythng under the sun has always revolved around “is it Good for the jews”?…AND whenever any issue or plan or system has a YES answer to is it good for jews?

            Then it is always and has always been and always WILL be BAD/wrong for non jew gentiles period.

            There entire last 4000 yrs of existence has proven such is Truth. Talmud instills a mindset to always swindle gentiles because to jews it is a VIRTUE for a jew to Lie-Cheat-Steal-get over on, and even kill a gentile.

            Christianity teaches LOVE- Give another chance-Kindness-Charity-Help a stranger etc etc…Talmud teaches Jews=Good and ALL non jews=Bad and meere animals and insects for all gentiles. Again a jew trait BORN from Talmudic principals makes it a VIRTUE, something to be Very Proud of to screw gentiles etc

            Gentiles, Thats YOU! Do You get it Yet?

            Every person today spewing promotions for ANY bank and monetary systems other than “Greenbacks Dollars” that are DEBT Free and INTREST FREE creations, are promoting Some jewish guys ideas. BOTH sides of it are jewish ideas period. ALL such ideas end in Poverty and death for the Goyims, and a JWO nwo for them.

            Enough Actual statements, quotes, talmudic verses, etc etc has been Posted Here this site in many prior articles to fill a Long Book!…All of that has proven this to be factual truths. ANY such jew bank and money ideas are a Failure for goyim gentiles period. If You do not yet get it? Please do so! Wake up-research truth-Then Get it.

            Then spread such facts and truths far and wide and as fast as you can to awaken others.

            This has been totally an educational posting, and none is to be construed as antisemitic or anti jewish. It is simply the Facts of their talmudic past history that is well Documented by themselves as well as by gentile goyims. Facts are NOT Racist, and TRUTH is NOT antisemite.

            Anybody says they are? has something to HIDE or is an Enabler/protector/defender, deluded and Unwilling to research and Accept Truth period. Keep a Wide Bearth from such enablers if You are wised up.

            PS: for the Lazy researchers: Some of the best Ever American Proof I am correct here is Look at what happened to TWO USA Prez’s. Abe Lincoln and J.F.K….Both Defied usury intrest Jewish Banking policies. BOTH were Murdered becauce of that! And another 3rd usa Prez, Andrew Jackson(on the $20 dollar bills) so pissed off Jew banksters and other NY Jews they attempted to Murder Him SIX Times! Each attempt failed. That alone of usa historic events of such Magnitude should be enough Proof to at least “Consider” some valid research and RE thinking former beliefs on those scoundrels and swindlers.

            To all them Good jewish folk and patriots etc, as Soon as You begin to speak out against such jewish swindlers too, I will Pat You on your back and be the very First goyim to sing Your praise.

        • I read the “Ticker” and usually agree with him. Have two issues with his posting: First, you cannot count Gov people as pro gov. Outside of DC, where everyone is picked to be politically correct; most Gov people are more anti gov than the rest of us, they know how bad it is. Lastly, I’m not sure what withdrawing our support is going to do. Isn’t that what buying PM’s and prep stuff is doing? I’m not investing in the system anymore, I’m buying stuff to give the kids 1000 miles from here. I’m not even tryng to invest to make money anymore. I have had the same stocks for 15 years.

        • Well in that case there are going to have to be many many deaths of EBT moochers to restore the economy.
          Too many parasites will kill the host, so this being said I wonder if the government has decided on what method will be used to cull the herd? WWIII perhaps?

      73. What the video fails to show
        is the neighbor comes back with his hungry friends he meets in town and they talk about his neighbor who has a stockpile of supplies and they come back and overrun him with force of arms killing him, his wife and kids all because the young man shot off his mouth telling the neighbor they had some extra cans of food to give them.
        The question is: Do you kill the neighbor at your fence begging for food where he stands?
        Or do you try to kill him and his 20 armed friends storming your position for your food after the fact???
        A very tough situation, What would you do?

        • I would hide and if the neighbor climbed the fence I would drop him in his tracks. Later I would hang the corpse from a tree some distance from my place. tresspassers will be shot survivors will be shot again.

        • It doesn’t necessarily follow that if you don’t kill him right away you will be attacked later.

          • Ask that special operator crew from assholistan , what a good idea it was to let “the harmless farmer ” go. I think there was one survivor.

            Fatty Mcscheepo must live very very close , doesn’t look like he has walked any farther than the fridge for ben n jerry’s fat sick and nearly dead ice cream since clintoon was on office

        • Having been forced for the last forty years to support the EBT crowd,Id have to say shot them at the fence as I have already been feeding them for decades.

      74. I know someone will rip me up on this, as there always seems to be someone with a total perfect plan that disagrees. I don’t care. It’s part of the forum mentality, along with trolls. Some of the “perfect” types can pick apart anyone elses plan, because THEY have every conceivable option covered. Right. The “I’m invincible” mentality will get you killed almost as fast as just old plain being a dumbass.
        I think this short clip portrays preppers badly. And I know part of it IS accurate. To have a fence and planning to kill anyone who crosses it, well, I won’t do it. If it causes my demise, so be it. I feel a certain element of compassion is needed. I noticed green vegetation in the clip. I am prepared to show someone the local plants that are edible. Pages off the net and copied from books suffice too. Put those away NOW ! A small bag of rice, dried veggies, and say we use these leaves, dribble the oil from the sardines over the leaves, add to the rice, and that’s your meal. Don’t tell them everything, Opp sek yes. But people who aren’t frantic and starving, obviously are fed. And our rations are meager, so what can you trade? A gallon of gas, a quart of oil, an extra hatchet, some nails? Your family is starving? Get together and collect a pile of sticks and firewood, rocks, or ? for labor to trade (outside our core area)and I’ll help you with a meal and info to help you along. What if its a prepper who had misfortune getting to their bug out location? Might be someone very much like you, that will be an asset someday. Oh but only an idiot would screw up, I’d never do that, yea right. The “I am perfectly prepared to handle everything” mentality will get you killed. The idea of having extra prepps TO BARTER is the kind of world that will survive the hatred. If you read the Olld Testtamentt as a military and survival manual only, it’s all in there. Those who come against you in anger, so be it. But ‘whoever gives a child so much as a drink of water…” Those outside your core group, are placed on your perimeter. Yes they surround you, there is a reason for that. To just keep piling up bodies on the perimeter, well have you ever dealt with rotting corpses? I have smelt and seen death up close and personal. I’ve seen it make big tough men puke. The man that ASKS for help, will maybe earn a meal BURYING the one who didn’t. Those who have a SHTF plan will get an element of respect from those who don’t. Let the help bury the rest. Those who make it some substantial amount of time, might be worth saving.
        The essence of prepping is not to have just enough. It’s to have extra. Lay in the good stuff while you can.
        Eat what you store, store what you eat. If you have too much someday, gee, what a problem !
        Be prepared to deal with freeloaders, and plain folk. It will happen. But to just figure on killing anyone at the fence, well sooner or later a big dog will want your bone. A lone wolf with a good rifle and 50 rounds can decimate any group smaller than a platoon, and have ammo left over.
        We plan on feeding and taking in some children. It will be important to train the next generation. Children can be much more resilient in a crisis than some adults. In scary and tragic times, children emulate those they respect. Have some extra stuff to nurture some souls. Some day that young blood may just save your ass and a lot more of this world.
        To me, prepping is a never ending learning experience. You should never say, we have enough of everything. You eat everyday, don’t you? If you aren’t using some stuff, you ain’t doing it right. My wife now loves her FD fruits on her morning oatmeal or farina. She loves the FD veggies to liven up stuff. She even loves the FD meats.
        Keep a plan. Don’t get overwhelmed by what all could happen. Steady and determined. Remember, if prepping was totally easy,……there’d be a phone app for it !

        “if you need to edit sum or clean it up sum, go ahead.
        just keep the drift.”

        • Dear Cold in Wisconsin, I gave you a “Thumbs Up,” but it did not work. I liked your post. It was good reading.

        • So you barter for nails and feed that family for a meal, not even a day.
          Then the next day more will be at that fence ready to barter their blings for food.
          Those families now bring friends and relatives ready to barter and so on and so on….

          NO!! This does not even need to be started.
          You can’t feed the community; you are bartering with food you stocked for YOUR family.
          Every meal you ‘give’ is a meal less for your family.
          And what are you doing but prolonging the inevitable for those families that didn’t prepare??
          They will die, just not today.
          There is NO cavalry coming–no FEMA with food–no govt. agency hauling in trailers of MREs to pass out.
          This incompetent govt. was begging for bottled water for Hurricane Sandy victims on day 3!!!

        • Just climb My fence even today and see what you get. those no trespassing signs and all that posting purple paint Is your only warning. Anyone who would trespass will steal and likely kill you if given half the chance. My little yappy dogs stay vigilant 24 X 7 its a 1/4 mile down to the public road where my gate is located. If someone stops their vehicle and gets out those guys let me know. I bought some very large Bear traps from Gary Olen at the sportsmans guide. Those traps will break your leg.

        • There really is NO perfect plan,
          The situation has so many variables its almost impossible to forsee exactly what will go down and for how long,
          I personally dont think in our area that everyone will be a threat, there will be some who try but i would bet they find trouble and are disappeared long before they ever make it to our area. But like i have mentioned before we are not the mainland USA and our biggest town has a lot of people living in it who will be resourceful,
          If they show up here they can have all the kale they can cary, and expired canned goods, ill bet they dont come back too many times, if they do, well, heres the hoe, need that field weeded right over there, if they are willing to work to trade, then i will expand on that over time.
          If you are ever threatened by an individual or worse yet a group you need to eliminate them period. Like herpes they will just keep coming back and are a disease.

          • spot on

            “there is no perfect plan”

            was it Mike Tyson who said something to the effect

            “everyone has a plan UNTIL they get punched in the face” ?

            • Yep,
              Can make ourselves nuts trying to plan for an “event”
              For us we just are making prudent decisions like no debt, having a good supply of basic needs, etc,,,,
              We could get hit by a huge tsunami and be in the dark ages for 1 yr or more. Or Haleakala could have a sudden cataclysmic eruption,
              How can you possibly plan for that???
              Thanks for all the info you pass on S is all helpful.

            • Nobody knows for certain what the future holds. Many in the past eras were sure as rain it was the last days and any moment Jesus will return. Yet here we are 100-200 or more yrs later still waiting. Same for govnt collapse etc.

              All that, do the Math articles etc always neglect to mention that the govnt gets cash printed as needed. And even if usa dollars stop being world reserve, then another nation will take over and their dollars will be It. Perhaps I missed it? But Name even One single Economy or money writers anywheres, that promotes an END of Usury/intrest?..Most complain intrest is way too Low now! They desrie More intrest!…Maybe They need refigure their “math”.

              I cannot believe how many claim to be christians, yet ignore the Most basic things Christ said, like to Persevere till He returns. That doesn’t mean stack food and Hide in a cave or basement! Jesus means Spread the Gospel and spread/teach Christianity etc.

              Seems way to many folks read lots of FICTION doom books with tons of what “IF” scenarios, and/or view alot of Walking Dead TV shows, and begin to Believe in every issue those movies and books speak of as if its Now Gospel Truth!…Maybe they are wrong.

              And the Biggest of all issues and problomatic things regarding many of todays christians, has been how they so totally bought into that Phony Pre-Trib “Rapture” spew so many falsehood teaching preachers spew now. A simple honest read of the new testement books tells one that when Christ actually returns THATS when it is Rapture time.

              Many has fallen for this Escapisim of rapture falshood and it made them care less, and do even less or just do for themselves. Thats Not christianity.

              Arrogance is the only accurate word for foolish pre trib rapture beliefs that somehow seem to ONLY be For usa christians. Because Hundreds of Millions christians just in the last 100 yrs have been viciously persecuted, tortured, and mass exterminated already. Why were They not Raptured to safty?…Cause they live elsewheres than usa?…A little common sense goes a long way when reading the bible.

              NO christians ever said such stuff nor ever heard of pre trib anything untill Darby in 1865 promotoed it, then Cyrus Scofield, pal of a Rothschild bankster jew who Published his scofield blasphemey bible, took it to new heights after darby.

              What if? Just what IF Christ waits another 100 yrs, and also issues we know Not of today, meld and create another chance for america?…BUT america will Miss that second chance, because 1/2 the nations folks figured why bother when I will be raptured away from all troubles soon.

              What if that aint the way it goes down? But due to such thinking Your kids or grand kids will really Suffer persecutions due to Your failures while waiting some Pie in sky fly to safty. A Pie in the sky with NO crust to hold it all together when you do an Honest bible reading of it.

              All them pastors preaching a 7 yr long wedding feast in Heaven somewhere invisable to us now. Why 7 yrs?

              Cause jews did a 7 DAY long wedding reception party, and “somewheres” the bible states a DAY equals One full 360 day year. SO WHAT! In OTher bible verses it says One Day is EQUAL to 1000 yrs with the Lord!

              Maybe pastors need teach a rapture wedding thats 7000 yrs due to That verse?…Se how they choose which bible verses to believe.

              This is their worst mistake. Instead of Read the bible and see what IT teaches You, such false pastors first invent an Idea or fantacy belief…THEN look thru entire bible for Specific verses they can CUT-COPY-Paste into a brand New reality that is from the bible or bible based!

              More like Gee I think, or they want to think or believe, this or that. So…Ok! Lets do a bible study group and look for Proof we are correct!

              You can take ANY books and snip and cut out of context words or sentences OUT, and RE paste those words into an entire New Chapter. But it wont be AS written.

              Its amazeing how many christians today refuse to even consider these things and like Lemmings believe some phony preachers spew and thats IT. Forevermore, thats IT and nothing anybody else teaches is going to sway their firm stand. Thats how we ended up with so many jewish kommies and zionists running a hyjacked america. Because so many fell for, bless the jews no matter what wrongs they does. Now they added Escapeisim mentality!

              If Your pastors are wrong, and/or secular political comentators etc are also wrong?

              Then YOUR Kids and Grandkids will Hate you and Blame YOU worse than any other thing for Your stupdidity.

              Ok now everybody Roll your eyes back, wave both hands high and “SWAY” while you dream of escapisim rapture spew emitted from the pulpit with some fatass mammon/money worshipping preachers spewing it at You!

              OR WAKE UP!
              PS: All you who ask often “Why do so many others so Hate christians etc?”….I will tell you why.

              Turn any/all the 1/2 dozen channels TV pastor shows on tv 24/7/365, such as the TBN-Crowd, Observe the totally whacked Out “Tongues” Bablering fools, the Phony “Healings” the Phony Benny Hinn “Slap the holyspirit INTO the Forehead, while some 400 lb fat ass women Falls back and gets Caught by the always there ready Ushers awaiting that “Miricle” to occure as Benny Hinn begings to chant and slap!

              Then as the camaras roll over the crowd acting exact same as Hobammy worshipers at a speech by him, Swaying and reaching Up Up! etc…Theres Your Real Answer who so many hate christianity today, and how many Potential new christians are so turned OFF by such blatent displays of more like satanisim at its fullest public displays that they totally Reject to be a christian?

              Next to low life ebt types the other largest group of fools helping destroy america IS such foolish christians.

              EBT illerates has a good excuse IE stupid…But those christains are suppose to be the Salt and LIGHT…There is NO excuse for lacking in that. That elevates such christian delusional fools to, THE biggest reason for americas demise. Due to abject stuborn rejection to even re consider anything they has fallen for and now believe is gospel truth even when its Not.

              Now they are promoting to shoot dead all persons who come within a mile of their “secret caves”. That must be what Jesus taught eh? IE: Take your lamp light to HIDE it away so total Darkness remains covering the entire earth with the darkness of Satan. Yep sounds like what many pastors might teach today eh, screw all others as long as I Got Mine. Yeah I will get red thumbs galore for this post. But all red thumbs proves is either ignornace or idiotic stuborness by them red thumb crowds. It won’t be the Ignorant who rebuild the usa.

        • Good thoughts…the golden rule is my overall MO…I don’t plan on just up and hurting people because I sure don’t want to get shot/hurt or my kids/grandkids just for being in the wrong place sometime or asking the wrong person for help/directions or whatever(and I can tell you for sure if one of my family/friends were killed/injured simply for being in the wrong place I would make it my mission to make sure the perp and his accomplices vacated planet earth in a most unpleasant manner…no brag,no threat,just a fact…if it was the last thing I did…I suspect many others here feel the same way)…on the other hand there will be times to justify the use of force…God help me/us to know the time/ difference…the time for mercy and the time for judgment…there will be many awful choices to be made in any SHTF scenario…had to make a few myself in another time…I’d rather not,but I will…”most” of those who say they’ll just shoot em if they cross the fence have never actually had to shoot anyone and are just talking out their backsides or theyre monsters…only they know for sure the light or the darkness in their own soul…a few are just scared and want to think that’s the way they should react or hope they will/can….I cant speak for others but I do believe that most people want to do the “right” thing in any given situation, myself included…no matter how dark the world becomes…Id like to be thought of as the guy who gave everyone a fair shake but God help you if you got on the wrong side of him…and no Im not going to be the guy who told you to back off and then let you push it and get away with it or let you steal or attack me and waltz away…(we all gotta say what we mean and mean what we say…how do you expect others to believe you if you yourself don’t believe you…too many of us lie to ourselves all the time)…that’s where I draw the line…we all have plans and ideas…some excellent and some braindead…that’s why I often say you should do what you can with what you have where you are…it falls to each of us to figure it out for ourselves and for our situation…its all up to us where we come out in the end…therefore we must consider it wisely!Thanks…

          • Kula and REB.

            This is the time we remove the confusion of how we will act. What will work for one may not work for the other. I am not going to condemn one who protects his gear and his family. I do ask for the same consideration from him for me.

          • @Reb,

            I hear you. Killing a man, any man, is not a simple thing. I feel that some times we are a little to cavalier about the terms we use. Certainly, if threatened and forced to defend myself and my family, I will not hesitate to do what I need to do. As a fellow human being, I will do what I need to do to help you in your moment of need as well. I am committed to forming alliances because I am convinced that is the best way to survive. We are all vulnerable at one time or another and will need many breaks from others to survive.

        • Wisconsin,as you said would be willing to help out others in a safe way,also willing to stop rape/murder ect. and if I die,so be it,no one at moment wife kids ect. depending on me.I realized some articles back might take in the orphans were I can and help em,perhaps that will be my purpose.I though would do it find it patently unfair as I realized long ago not father material and had a vasectomy!Just when you think you got issues covered and no worries life sneaks you a curve ball,sigh……

        • Excellent link Satori, great products on that site, got me drooling, can use diesel fuel as a backup to kerosene, both keep almost indefinitely

      75. Hahahaaaaa….this clip makes me laugh. The Dad is confronting an unknown threat and, wouldn’t you know it, a long hair, tree hugging, share the wealth libtard pops out and announces they have food to share. Please tell me someone else found that amusing.

        • Shifty
          I laughed because of all the misstates they made. Then I felt sorry for them. I know it was just a program but there will be folks out there that will do just what they did. Or some one will think this is what they are to do, and end up dead!

          • I totally agree. The guy asking for food now knows that the at least one family member is armed, a food supply exists, and one of the sons is a big sissy liberal. Have no idea, from this clip, what other parameters are in play for this family, so I cannot assume that there are not twenty more people in the family’s group, armed to the teeth and well trained. Judging from the clip though, what would stop the “neighbor” from returning with a well armed group of his own, and taking things by force? Knock the father out of the equation, and the rest should be pretty simple. Speculation is fun, is it not?

            • Shifty
              You are so right on this. Very good points.

      76. Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. —Ronald Reagan, 1981

        if terreroist were going to take down our grid, do you really think they would just take it down for a few days OR for 10 years, 50 years or more? It’s not anymore work to take it down for 50 years versis 10 days, and if they think it’s a one shot deal they will go for the 50 years.
        If we ONLY lost power for 10 days I would have to say thse hackers/terreroist were inept (ameturers) to only take down the grid for only 10 days that would only be an irritation NOT a catastrophic nation changing event.
        If your in say, the mountains of Idaho and you loose power you will not know that the whole nation has lost power, so it will be a local event for you and just affect you locally.
        Hackers/terreroist can easily destroy power plants, generators, control systems so much so it can NEVER be used again and it’s so easy to do, it’s scarry…
        But the people who can do this are working for China, North Korea, Iran, probably Russia and maybe a couple others. And that’s not to mention we could get hit by a CME or an EMP and that would take down our total power system FOR GOOD, and that is a real possibility too!

        • I agree that it would be easy for our enemies to take down our grid and we are certainly vulnerable to an attack, BUT what I find interesting is the fact that if the power did go out across the country, how would you know if its an attack or even just your area? We have already seen what happens when the SNAP program went out for a day and the panic it caused within just a few hours. There are a lot of people who live off the teet of the government and I believe that all hell would break-loose….even within two days.

      78. SOLAR ALERT,

        An X-2.1 was recorded by theGHOES-15 satellite at 15:03 UTC…I haven’t had time to verify the genitive source as yet but it is likely to have originbated from the newly rotated-in region, NOAA 11882.

        To say the least…THINGS ARE GETTING ‘Interesting’ at this point. Explicitly, here…as yet there is only a vanishingly amall possibility of anything orginating from 11882 as impacting us here on Earth – the current angle at which it sits relative to us is too large, far to the East; BUT it is NOT ‘impossible’ either, so….

        This flare wa not an ‘impulsive event, but appears to be of the long-er duration type…though NOT quite qualifiably an “LDE”. More to follow as it occurs Folks,…and I’m QUITE sure that it WILL…

        JOG…’Hat-tip’ to Satori…as I ee he has ALRAEDY fort there…

      79. Sunday night?!?!? WTF!
        That conflicts with Walking Dead.

        BTW, Carrot Top needs to be whipped over the fence.

      80. camo is so stupid for urban ops.

        • Big time!, and for so many reasons I cant even begin

          normal everyday clothes would be the best “cover”

          and at night Black..everything … black

          • especially if theres panic in the streets. if im caught in the streets, I want to look like a liberal hippie with no skills and no weapons and no plan.

      81. I read the bio of the people they are portraying in the NatGeo special….I think the kid in the clip who says they have food to spare is not that mans son. He is the daughters boyfriend who was there when the SHTF and they have to take care of him. He is their weak link and the story line is he might threaten the family’s survival. I am looking forward to seeing this special as I know there is always something to learn that I may have overlooked. Although I do find this suspicious timing with the Grid Drill in mid-November. NatGeo either has a great marketing team and are taking advantage of the coming drill OR they know something we don’t. I on the other hand, will just continue prepping:)

      82. Japan just had a 7.3

        • Jog! Two x-flares a 7.3 earthquakeand the super typhoon is merging with a cold front and heading for fukashima interesting to say the least!!!!!

          • Howdy Thinker!

            INDEED….and the ‘hits’ just keep comin’; two M-class events since the M-2.3 previous – YES, I CORRECT myself here! – and frankly, for all the World, the curves we are getting out of NOAA for the three-day X-plots LOOK eerily aimilar to those that manifested JUST before the ‘Halloween Super-Flare’ several years ago….WTF?!

            The latest HMIB(C) imaging – the one that tells us WHAT the solar magnetic fields look like at the Sun’s suface are not showing us a good, clear picture of 11882 as yet…it is too near to the edge of the Solar limb to resolve properly…but based soley on it’s behaviour thus far, this is a ‘Bad Child’, sooooo….

            …This I can say with SOME certainty; There WILL be additional – possibly HIGH magnitude – excursions over the next 12 hours…Eyes OPEN here Boyz and Gurlz!! “Something’s a comin'”


            • Correction:

              “X-2.3″…NOT “M-2.3” 🙁


              • Another flare has just started.

                The sun is awfully busy lately.

                • Just over. It was an M 1.9.

                  • Possible Repost here…

                    HOWDY A!

                    I’m sorry I haven’t been able to to stop off and ‘chat’ with evertyone like I used to; I MISS that…my ‘bandwidth’ here sucks relative to what I had before… YET it was a MORE than ‘fair trade’ to be HERE. I thought about you SEVERAL times in the last few months, truly…I hope you have packed away as many text as possible Friend…we may need them sooner rather than later. Rest assured I BROUGHT every Engineering and Scientific text I owned – every one! – IN SPITE of the extra weight…”Treasures”, Eh? Keep up the good work!

                    THIS entire thing is exemplary of the chaotic nature of of most Natural processes…but it STILL comes as suprise each and every time it happens thusly. I am not – per se – nervous, YET; I will GET that way IF we see multiple, subequent X-flaring hence….t’would not a good sign at this point, all things considered, here …now.

                    As always, “We will soon see…”, Eh? Be Blessed and Prosper, Friend.


                  • @JOG

                    I’m still at the book collecting. I kinda geeked out a day or two ago. I went in the living room and my wife was watching some TV show that has a lot of geeks in it. One of the characters had made a major mistake by misreading a table in the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics he was holding. I was like “I got one of those!” No one else understands that. I could tell by the colors of the spine and the size that the prop book was the real thing. That CRC is something. It has constants out to more decimal places than you’ll ever use, and it has chemical structures and properties and much more.

                    I get email notifications of solar flares from Australia. You can subscribe at:


                    I’ll keep watching the flares. If a really big one erupts, I will unplug every wire and cable in the house, cut the power, disconnect all antennas, and cage all the everyday electronics. The backups are caged already.

                    I have been collecting information since the 1960s and preparing for the dark ages since the 1970s.

          • The earthquake was hundreds of miles off shore and the typhoon has turned north and now is just pouring rain( I see it at the traffic cam at the nuke plant). They evacuated the plant personel for safety precautions, which really means: START THE PUMPS, the reporters are gone!!!! Now they can get rid of some of the glow water.

      83. Yep looks like this might be a movie of what NOT to do when the SHTF.

      84. @BI: You SIR are truly THE MAN! Keep up the good work and many THX. Also JOG the SUN MAN! THX to you.

      85. The young teen in the video is a boyfriend and not the father’s son. This scenario will point out a lot of flaws to those that think they don’t need a community for support and protection.

        BTW – The father does have a “come to Jesus” meeting with the teen, but it doesn’t help. In the end, you might be surprised at his actions.


      86. Reading all the posts.

        Consider there is NO LAW.
        Consider the threat. Plague Chemical or Nuclear, solar military.
        Resources available. Lakes, forest, game.

        How much time for the Die Off.

        Stay out of site. Covert Killing/bury till some form of continuity comes back.

        Would you like the same jerkoffs back in your community during the rebuild.

        The problem is most of us have a conscience. The fuckers doing this shit to us don’t.

        • And in your last sentence you have nailed the problem…not that having a conscience is a bad thing its just knowing the when and the how…when to follow it and how to do it…without getting killed or worse… 🙁

        • This is why Selco mentions how this will build on all and any of us and will change our lives and ourselves forever.

      87. So true about getting to know your neighbors and forming strong, sound relationships with them if possible. Out where I live, there are mostly Amish and farmers, so we already help each other quite a bit, and most know how to live off the land. Also, if you have feuds with family or neighbors, make sure to resolve these as quickly as possible. Do NOT have enemies who could harm you! But please, also, do not tell people you have food! If you want to give, do it through your local church or civic group, and stress that you want to stay anonymous. There will be ways to give without disclosing who you are, there always has been in places where there are Christians.

      88. This is off topic (sorry) but ties into the article a few days back:

        ‘The Most Poisonous Substance in the World’ Discovered?

        I was talking about death by Polonium poisoning, the above is just as bad, if not worse. I know, I’m such a bundle of good news. I prefer to know as much as possible about everything. 🙂

      89. I’ve been laid up sick since yesterday, that’s why I have time to post, instead of doing my farm chores…But too, I am so concerned for the prepper community. It’s those who have had the moral character and concern for their families and fellow Americans, Canadians, and all who have done what they could to be ready for the troubles a head. It will be these who will uphold the right way to go forward in the days a head. Y’all know the saying, and it’s a true one, “prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.” So go and learn from the past, and act now as if your life depends on that knowledge, and trust in God for what you can not do. God will not honor you in the things you can, but refuse to do, so keep that in mind as you go about your preparations. If you are able, get out of the city, if you simply can’t, do what you can where you are and trust in God.

      90. As everyone can see above, correct prediction of 7.3 earthquake in Japan. Now this system proves itself again, here is the problem. Number 25 and number 26 hit AFTER the Japan again that show a massive earthquake is coming. The Japanese earthquake did nothing. It is still coming.

        SE Pacific Rise today. This same area one hit in 1985 and 9 days later Mexico got whacked with a 8.0. Also Fiji in 1980 with a 7.6.

        Carlsberg Ridge today. This same area hit in 1977 and a 7.5 followed in San Jaun, Argentina, a 7.6 in the Scotia Sea in 2003, 7.8 in Fiji in 2007, 8.0 in Papua New Guinea in 2008, a 7.8 Santa Cruz Islands and 7.7 in Vanuatu in 2009.

        The Alaskan area and Aleutian Islands is lighting up light a giant bull’s eye. Also Northern Californif to the Cascadia fault region. Don’t forget the Mexico and Central America AND ecuador to Northern Chile and Argentina. China/India still is a very close second. Pacific South Seas less so.

        This is number 17 and 18 of these earthquakes in which a 8.0 or higher followed. It is even more hot now than below. Almost ready to give an imminent warning to the Pacific Northwest or Alaska. This is incredible to have 18 precursors earthquakes out of 29 that say a great to mega or larger earthquake is coming. This is a 62% chance of a 8.0+ coming. It ain’t over, it has yet to even begin.

        • Ever see the Perfect Storm?

        • BI and JOG…You are on it. There is all kinds of volcanic activity in the Ring of Fire area the last few days. Please continue to update.

        • I’m on ISIS right now at 10:30 Eastern 25 Oct. Nothing in the Aleutians for today or yesterday. So what do you mean “lighting up?” There nothing there but a few small ones in the “last 2 weeks” category.

          If you predict earthquakes everywhere, as you do, of course you will be right once in a while….

      91. These past earthquakes on divergent plates forecasted all 6 major earthquakes this month. These same areas were hit before in the same areas that were hit between Sept.29 and now, and all these places had the same locations of all these 6 major quakes getting hit again. This is the way the planet works, cycles repeat themselves. Finding these cycles and anyone can predict earthquakes and the weather patterns to come. The thing is this has not stopped, right after the Japan 7.3, two more zones say whopper coming. If this hits a major populated area it will be catastrophic what is coming.

        • Until we have a really big earthquake (New Madrid Or Cascadia & San Andreas) on US soil the American sheeple wont wake up. These events are continuing to increase in both occurance & magnitude.

      92. @ BI,

        Howdy Friend….I am WELL aware that you are currently a ‘little busy’ what with the Japanese event, HOWEVER, as time permits, PLEASE go over to the NOAA 3-Day – NOT 6 Hour – flux plot and look VERY carefully at the succesive MINIMA being plotted – especially those on the curve for the High Band – over the last 24 hours as the curve is evolving. Please note that the slope of those minima is quite STEEP, ascending…increasingly so; IF it becomes the case that the High Band reaches and sustains B-class for any significant length of time, then it is almost a certainty that something BIG is ‘enroute’. By that I mean this: Consider, that during the last Solar cycle – #23 – we saw almost a DOZEN “X-teen” flares,; flares in EXCESS of X-10!….in this ENTIRE cycle we have YET to see even onesuch! It is characteristic of the period in time around the occurance of a ‘teener’ that the SUSTAINED High Band emission pattern is – and remains – ABOVE B-class! The salient poinht here is that what you ARE seeing in the last segment of the 3-Day plot IS the High Band DRIVING the emission pattern….THERE ‘it’ is Friend, visibly.

        Here you HAVE an actual ‘thing’ to point at so as to say, Yup, THAT’S BAD!” as opposed to something like, “Ummm, weeellll, I really dont’ think I KNOW..I’m just not SURE…”, etc, etc. Capice? 🙂 🙂


        PS: What’s your READ on the implications of the Japanese quake relative to the energy DISSIPATED….I am supremely curious as to your ‘take’ thereon!?

        • @Be Informed,

          I am following you closely and passing on the information to friends and relatives living in some of the at-risk zones you have mentioned. Everyone I have shared your information with have been amazed at your grasp of earthquakes!

          Do you have any words of wisdom concerning survival strategies in an earthquake? I believe most of those who died in the Philippines recently were victims of crush injuries. One person who was an expert said to avoid getting under something, but lie in a fetal position next to a wall or at the foot of the bed. Please leave a comment. Thanks,

          Louisiana Eagle

      93. It is a mistake to meet someone at the fence. You can be sniped dead in an instant. Give nothing to the unprepared. It would never end. Stay in you home/bunker/place as much as possible. If a person violates your boundries, massive force is allowed. DO NOT make yourself a target for a unprepared neighbor.

        • And why would you have your kid (can’t be more than 12) running around the fence of your perimeter in a SHTF scenario…”Dad, there’s somebody at the fence.”

      94. A double fence will attract too much attention. Use barrier plants such as Cactus, Thistle, Poison Ivy instead.

        • better yet, holly bushes. We had a calf that got trapped in a thicket of the stuff last week and there is no way in hell you can move through it quietly, or at any speed and it is a bugger to find the stems to cut your way through.

          Only problem: it takes a few years to grow, and in my part of the world it is a weed

      95. There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

        The rest of the 100 million are kids/students/prisoners/illegals of course. Of the 101 million that were not getting means-tested benefits to some degree, a large number of them were paid for by tax payers since they were government employees whose salaries come from tax payers.

        That’s bad. Real bad. That puts us around the point where about 35% of the population is supporting and working to take care of the other 65% because the people working are taking care of their dependents and the dependents of others as well as their parents.

        And none of the people who obtain means-tested benefits will ever vote to not keep taking it on those benefits.

        This is bad. Real bad.

        This has reached the point of being unsustainable and is at the levels that Europe has which is already failing.

        We will be lucky, mathematically speaking, to get through 2016 without this having to all start falling apart. Because that looks like that is about the time it will happen just based on the numbers.

        The government has 3 buckets. Defense, Non-Defense Discretionary, and Mandatory. The mandatory bucket includes (social security, transfer payments, food stamps, etc). The mandatory bucket is currently not very far from being at the same level as the total tax revenue the government has. The other 2 buckets are our deficit essentially. The mandatory bucket is growing at 10% per year while the tax revenue is growing at 4% a year. By 2020, the mandatory expenditures alone will be greater than overall tax revenue. By the rule of 72, every 12 years, the mandatory expense difference doubles comparatively to the increase in tax revenue. We are half way through the final double iteration of the compounding equation. In simple terms, we had to fix this 5 years ago or it wasn’t going to be fixed.

        To fix it now requires us to balance the budget. Spending is 26% of GDP and tax revenue to 16% of GDP. To balance the budget, we have to nuke GDP by 10%. It’s an instant depression the day that happens. And because there is only 6-7 years left of time to do that, it can no longer be done slowly to fix it. It has to be done pretty much instantly. What makes it impossible is that there’s not enough people paying in to the system to sustain it, too many people taking from the system without any productive input (as this email began).

        Politicians kept kicking the can down the road and now, it is too late and there’ s still no political will to fix it. To fix it required a depression and to not fix it pretty much means economic collapse. And anyone who says otherwise doesn’t understand math or the compounding interest equation.

        The United States is gone and anyone with a brain has left (if they can) and moved to a society that is not part of Western Society (pretty much all Western Societies have this financial issue).

        It’s all over, with mostly just an incredible amount of pain to come.

        People need to prepare for the worst.

      96. @ JustOneGuy. The Japanese eaethquake did nothing so to speak to dissipate anything. If this was the case there would not have been two more precursor earthquakes after this that BOTH had previous 8+’s when the same spot s were hit in 1985 and 2008. The exact same spot on the Carlsberg ridge was hit in 2001 and 4 days later Seattle was hit with a 6.8 or 7.0 depending on the accuracy of the seismograph which I say is 7.0 from Australia. The planet is going into spasms and even after 6 major quakes, which was mentioned was going to happen in a swarm of major quakes almost 2 weeks ago, it still has not calmed down. They just had another one on the Scotia plate, but this one is on a convergent plate rather than a divergent plate.

        I have been trying to compare the earthquake activity and the GOES chart and there seems to be a slight lag with the spikes and quake movement. What I noticed at 15:00 hours today UTC was the shear closest of the lower band to the upper band, it looks to be 90%+. That is pretty intense, yes?

        I just know that what I read several weeks ago about the Carrington Event that the same lull occurred during a maximum solar cycle back in 1859 and then BOOM. This was worrying many astronomy scientists a lot. Almost like what happens sometimes before a volcano breaks the surface suddenly without too much warning. I can’t think of the name of that volcano down in Mexico that did just this about 40 years ago.

        I know how nature goes through these cycles, and I imagine that the Sun is no different. When there is a maximum there should be increased activity and for the past few months it has been almost as quiet as a minimum cycle. Now you have this increase at about the same time as you mentioned as the Halloween super flare. Could be a coincidence, but I know that around the equinoxes on the planet earthquake activity jumps, usually. Maybe there is a connection somehow with this and the Sun.

        I am truly waiting to see those bands reach up into the 10(-2) levels or higher. Do you think we might see this in the next few days? If this happens and it is Earth directed I think we can say goodbye to power for a long time on the Sun side of the planet and maybe the whole globe.

        • Thanks for these posts.. I actually look for them.

        • Howdy BI,

          ” The Japanese eaethquake did nothing so to speak to dissipate anything.”

          Why did I know that THAT would be your reply…Oh well, if it’s HAPPY news I’m looking for I guess I’d better find a DIFFERENT site. 😉 Just Joking Friend…a little levity now and then…is a good thing, No?

          As I said above – in another response to Archivist – “I am NOT nervous…YET.” We’ll wait a bit more and ee what tramspires….

          A point of potential concern that occured to me a bit earlier today is that given the current plate loadings THIS would NOT be ‘good time’ to have a major ‘SPE” (Solar Proton Event)…say, anything that managed to produce a peak proton flux – here – at, or above 10K SPU; the net torque on the ‘core’ of the Earth would have some rather nasty consequences in light of said, current, loadings…possibly even a seismic ‘tipping point’. In all truth though, I THINK that we’ll see additional high M-clas and possibly another X-class event as well ere this abates (guesing here). My sole WORRY at this stage is what would result if we ALSO experienced another passage of a high-mag GRB through the Solar system. To wit, i consulted the records for the wavefront passage back in April from the ‘Super-GRB’ and noted that the subsequernt X-flaring occured 19 days later..the ‘lag-time’ there involved. Naturally, there will be other variables involved with any such process – possibly even some we haven’t yet considered – BUT, at present, the Solar ‘pump’ is PRIMED…and consequently, IF such were to occur MOW, I speculate here that the lag-time would be significantly shorter…perhaps only a day or two. However, THAT is just ‘pure speculation’ on my part…not arrived at via any remotely ‘scientific method’ here …an intuition, if you will.

          I just checked the current plot and the ‘idjit’ thing is going up again…the High band is well into the B-Class and as you can see, that is driving the low band trace way up….unfortunately, THAT one is now in the ‘not so good’ zone which is anything on that band at, or above, the mid C-class…the REAL stuff always follows on the heels of that happening…if that level is sustinaed for ANY real period.

          I dunno here…this can go EITHER way at this point, naturally, I’ll keep an eye on it…and I know that you’ll keep yours on what will do the most good as well …another LONG night ahead for us, it seems Friend. I have to go for a bit…I’ll be back a little later.

          Till then…


          PS: A clarification here; the initial X-burst striking the uppper atmosphere – if sufficiently powerful – would approximate the detonation of a LARGE nuclear device at high altitude, yes indeed….and thus be confined to the ‘sunward’ side. However, it is the later effects of the follow-on CME that are to be FEARED, if that is ‘bad enough’…What happens then is the induction of circum-equatorial Earth-currents of staggering amperage, literally, tens of millions of amperes involved and THAT would be what would get BOTH the sunward and the ‘dark’ side as well, much as was seen during the ‘Carrington Event’ (but that at a time when humanity did NOT DEPEND – MORTALLY – on Electriciry!). THAT one doesn’t distinguish between WHERE you are, though it DOES depend very much on WHAT underlies you…what the Geology beneath you is. This was what made the 1989 Quebec event so bad for Eastern Canada and some of the far North-Eastern seaboard; they sit on a MASS of ‘Hard Rock’ which serves to significantly exacerbate the effects of the aleady huge ground currents involved….

          Just hecked the plot again; damn, it’s above C-3.0 at this point and still climbing….

          • @ JustOneGuy. Thank you, that was really interesting.

      97. Above someone commented under the screen name of bj in lower case letters, I am always upper case BJ. Yet on my computer it is teling me that my comment is awaiting moderation??? WTH? I didn’t make the comment….I never type anything that long all at once…LoL

        Hey all you looking at the solar flares, EQ’s and typhoons, sqaying things like “the hits just keep coming.”

        Seriously you haven’t seen anythign yet. In the last 500 years there have been 4, JUST 4 blood moons and each time a significant event took place that affected the whole world. Starting in March 2014 through September 2015 we will have FOUR blood moons in those 18 months and they all four land on a jewsih holiday on the old Hebrew calendar……you can make this stuff up and that is huge!! Bigger than most can imagine, if that don’t tell people that God is in control and that all our prohecies are coming to pass and we are in THEE ebd times, then frankly I don’t know what will.

      98. A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

        He asked, “What are all those clocks?”

        St. Peter answered, “Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move.”

        “Oh,” said the man, “whose clock is that?”

        “That’s Mother Teresa’s. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie.”

        “Incredible,” said the man.

        “That’s Abraham Lincoln’s clock. The hands have moved twice, telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life,” St. Peter informed him.

        “Where’s Obama’s clock?”

        “His clock is in Jesus’s office. He’s using it as a ceiling fan.”

      99. Ten days…easy breezy lemon squeezy…at least for me anyway. When we has the two weeks without power in CT a couple of years ago, there were folks going nuts, but no craziness. However there were pockets with power. The key is that it was the affluent areas with no power…100% outages. The areas with lower income had power within a 10-15 minute ride to get gas, etc. our hospital was less than 24hours from shutting down before the power came back on. No diesel available for genny. Bastards were so damn greedy that when the power came back on they were dong elective surgery on people with no electricity (think well and septic) and sending them home as long as they had a cell phone to call ambulance in emergency. Staff with no power were bringing their families in to have a place to bathe and eat a hot meal in the cafeteria.

      100. One thing that occurs to me is that this movie supposedly portrays an outage that lasts ten days. There have certainly been outages that last that long and it would be interesting to compare notes about how different communities reacted in various locations across the country. I think that outages like that here in the Midwest have been mostly calm with people helping each other.

        How would people know if the outage will be short or long term? It seems that people would be adaptable if they thought things would be back to normal relatively soon but not so calm if they are uncertain about what is happening.

        For a short term event, one thing to consider is what happens when the power goes back on. Unpleasant behavior could be remembered and acted on for a long time. I have family members that have grudges against certain people in the community for more than fifty years. What ever happens, there will eventually be a new normal and a person’s actions will have lasting consequences.

      101. So in the the clip I see a crazy doomsday survivalist,
        A young impressionable kid, and a late teen who is enlightened to the woes and sorrows of the world by the good tutalidge of todays bleeding heart liberals.
        Not in my world!!!
        I have a couple of grown children, They were taught that they can have an opinion
        but it will only count after they have moved out on their own, ( unless it agreed with me or my wife). Heartless?? Think not, I was responsible for their welfare,education, guidance in terms faith ,honor and personal responsibility just to name a few. you can teach them,love them and lead them. This grown kid in the movie must be a stepson :). and he needs an attitude adjustment real quick!!

        2 fences,perimiter alarms and perimiter force multilpiers after.Though the grown kid would most likely blow himself up walking into it.

        And yes, I suffered a little motion sickness with the filming too!





        The dollar if fubar.
        In my old age…I’ll open up a safe and have all I need.

        A final thought…

        You pay cash for silver….no records.

        Then…. decades later…when the currency has gone cashless…

        The urge to hide wealth will be all the more..

        Then you can trade it for some sweet toys… harley, pot, you name it.


        “A new report that says Iran may need as little as a month to produce enough uranium for a nuclear bomb is further evidence for why Israel will take military action before that happens, an Israeli defense official said Friday.”

        USA Today
        (posted on Drudge Report)

          • @ KY Mom. The next window for it to be dark enough for Israel to consider bombing Iran starts on Tuesday the 29th of Oct. and runs 10 days to Nov. 8th. The new Moon is next Sunday, November 3rd. This could definitely be something to watch. Daylight savings ends next Sunday, so after this the time to watch for each day with be 3-8 PM eastern standard time rather than 4-9PM eastern time like right now to break on the news of an attack.

            • Be informed,

              Thank you for this information.

              A special thank you for all earthquake information you research and provide.

              Hope you have a great day! 🙂

              KY Mom

        • Fat girls should not plagerize!

        • That 15% increase is the “Black on White” crime encouraged by the Holder/obammie admin.

          • I will not buy into the race game/war plans fed wants/hopes for,tis what keeps folks divided and not seeing the real enemy(which at times is ourselves)!

      104. @ Louisana Eagle. I can totally understand why you want to know more, that is why I like this site so much, people strive to know. When I use to live in a seismic zone for awhile I had one idea when a large one struck, get out into the open IF you can. Besides flooding and avalache hazards, most people are killed or injuried from something falling on them in an earthquake. I have seen these theroies on a triangle type of safety zone in the house, but getting to that safe zone when the ground is upheaving might be another story.

        This might sound crazy, but an earthquake alarm is something that wakes you up and gives you a second or a few seconds before the destructive waves hit. P waves go faster than S waves, and an earthquake alarm will detect these P waves that are not the ones that collapse the buildings. S wavers come afterwards and they are the ones that destroy buildings. This will work especially well if the hypocenter, where the earthquake waves hit the surface, is a few miles away or more. Epicenter is where undergraound the earthquake exactly broke, but rarely matched the hypocenter. Many places such as Home Depot sell earthquake alarms in seismic zones.

        Much can be done to secure wood frame houses by making sure all joists are resecures with metal fasteners, 90 degree brackets, T shape brackets, etc. many homes collapse, especially roof because they are not secured better. Wood will bend much, as you can see with trees in the wind, but at junction points that are not well secured with fail.

        Another ascept of earthquakes few people remember is the number one injury is glass. Anyone in a seismich risk zone needs to have good shoes nearby. I know 5 people after an earthquake that had some bad foot injuries because of glass. Many china cabinets and other places that house glass can be secured with simply devices. Child proof locks can be put on to cabinets where the dishes are, and when the ground moves the locks will keep the cabinet from opening and keep the dishes from falling all over the place. These locks are about $1.39 each. Securing the gas water heater is a must, along with a wrench nearby to turn off the gas.

        I still feel that everyone should plan out a safe place to go outside that is free of any electric wires or other hazardous that will come down. Inside in a door jam is kind of a myth as a shearing earthquake will literally cause a horizontal compression of the door and it will collpase from above you. Many people have died trying to get in a door way. This is not a complete box, as the bottom has nothing like the top to help brace it. Even though if it was, the angle of the waves could force it down to the ground.

        This is all why to get a second or two before the stronger waves hit, you might be able to get to safety outside. Hestiation in an earthquake and the surprise kills the response time. This is why I want to try to alert people to the dangers of what is coming and why I have tried to narrow it down to a 15 day period. If someone knows the dangers they will be just a little more ready to react.

        I still cannot narrow it down to a specific area because there are so many varibles, especially with 29 precursor quakes pointing to about 8 areas. When these overlap you can narrow it down. Japan has appeared too many times, and sure enough 7.3 today. This is not what is coming that is so strong. Immediately after this 2 more precursor quakes hit and both have a many huge earthquakes that have hot the same areas, including each of them 8.0. I have seen this after a big earthquake the outer rim divergent quakes calm down until the next cycle begins. NOT THIS TIME. That is extremely alarming.

        What is happening reminds me of just what happens before a near super volcano blows. You have this period of almost exhaling and inhaling of the volcano. Same goes true with the plates. To have 6 major earthquakes in different spots in less than a month and still have these precursor quakes showing danger to come, means that plates are still in a major state of flux, and gearing up for either another swarm of 7’s or something horrible. 18 out of 29 of these harbinger quakes say a terrible earthquake is coming. All one can hope now is that it is in an area that no people are at. If it is in the ocean that there is enough time to warn the people along a coastline.

        I look at the Australian plate and how so much energy is coming from it, and then I look at the northeast corner of it that they call the India plate, still is the Australian plate, and all the years that nothing has happened there. It is a place that is way overdue. India China border region that should have had a 8.5 many years ago. This area has near or more tension packed in it than the Nazca plate in 1960 that unleashed a 9.5 off of Chile. The Australian plate is one of the fastest plates in the world. It should have unloaded an Indian great earthquake long ago. This means that there is more energy locked up ready to be released in something that could break a world record. The same holds true for the area in the Aleutian Islands. It has me concerned and very jumpy when I go to the USGS earthquake map to check out what is happening.

        • @Be Informed,

          Thank you for the timely, very informative, and insightful reply. Your comments and insights are always stimulating and useful. I will pass on the information to my friends and relatives who live in earthquake zones. One of them lives just a few miles from downtown LA.

      105. I’m always a little leary of NatGeo productions, so I’ll wait and see. I’ve seen many Discovery, History, TLC, NatGeo and others rewriting history or not accurately portraiting people in the Tea Party, Patriots, Militia and others in the Liberty movement as paranoid nut jobs. Just look at the History channels “America, the story of US”

        While American Blackout is about something taking the power grid, I think any major event will trigger a series of cascading events. These may include blackout, financial collapse, WROL, nuclear fallout from melting down reactors or attack, pandemic and the list goes on.

        Remember this, whatever the trigger, that will only be the beginning. At that point you will either kill or be killed and you will have to produce or perish. I pray it never happens because the sights, sounds and smells will be horrific!!!

      106. @ BJ. You are correct about a blood moon. During these lunar eclipses there is an increase of geophysical activity, mainly because of the aligment of the physical bodies in space. With human behavior, when people see this they go nuts. All sorts of animals and human beings are sacrificed on some cult’s alter. People see this as a time to act on their impluses, including world leaders. On Jewish holidays the muslims for example tend to attack or at least consider it because this is when a person is more vulnerable, during festival events. Of course your general weirdo looks forward to anything that looks like bllod and gore, even though it is simply light be refracted around the moon. I agree, these blood moons should bring some real problems.

      107. When I was young, and lived in the boonies, occasionally, stray dogs would come by, and my mother said, “don’t feed them”. She knew if you fed them, they would never go away. Humans are no different. Unless you want to feed the entire neighborhood, learn to say no.
        No one said a collapse would be easy. Hard decisions will have to be made. this is one of many to come.

        • Howdy,I would have fed them and found em homes,but then my charity of choice(carpentry ect.) is two animal shelters,prefer for most part four footed critters over two!I do not volunteer directly with critters as would adopt or try and adopt all of em!They say though am a big help,hope I am.The local lumber yard has been great with volunteering materials(thanks Elliot),we all stay hidden forever not much of a future.Realize we are all in different situations but need to at some point care/collect and work together if we will move forward with life.

          • That is awesome. I have 8 cats. All foundlings nursed back to health. All fixed and healthy now. I prep for them too.

            • Water,tis my problem,will adopt kids/pets ect. to best of ability and try an protect to best of ability.That said,am not a combat vet with special training ect.,better reading kids a story and just feeding critters/kids,that said,will do my best when times are tough!I on a side note welcome a female blonde hero who not only saves our ass but decides she loves me in the process/tale whatever!

      108. Was it mentioned on this site of the grid sabotaged in
        Arkansas around October 10th? The FBI is offering 20K
        to find the culprits.

        • Wouldn’t it be something if the gov was the ones that sabotaged that grid and are offering a ‘reward’ to cover their tracks in case anyone ‘saw them’. Double bonus for them- they get to eliminate any loose ends and not pay a reward! Wouldn’t be the first time, either I’m sure.

      109. How does opsec work when you appear to others as obviously well-fed? How will you preps work when the hungry hordes storm your redoubt? If what you say is true, the unprepared vastly outnumber the prepared, your plans are futile. Even the biggest dog on the block can be taken down by enough little dogs. And, remember, what you think you plan do to others, others can plan do to you, or worse. Those hungry hordes you have such disdain for are only doing what you are doing. They are doing what they think they have to do to survive under their circumstances.

      110. I know this is going to sound heartless, but I will not be helping stragglers. I have struggled and pinched my pennies in order to get a 6 month food supply together, now working toward a year worth. I have children and they will come first.

        My husband tells me that I’ll probably cave in, and help someone but I don’t know. I will look at the kids and remember that a can of food I give away could be dinner for them on another day.

        Everything is happening so fast. I feel it coming, and I’m not totally prepared for every scenario. Sometimes I can’t sleep at night, worrying about things.

        • The way it’s supposed to work is the strong survive and the weak perish. If some fool didn’t prepare it’s not your fault. Lake, do the best you can and that’s all anyone can ask.

        • I’ve done my part. I’ve told everyone to prepare for the storm and NOONE CARED TO HELP THEIR OWN FAMILY…

          SO FUCK EM…

          And the Lord closed the door to the Ark…Amen.

        • I will to best of ability/reasonable safety try and help others.As we have no idea what sets off the rat fuck scenario many folks prepared to best of ability may be screwed.As mentioned also(sigh)may be many kids to take care of or at least try to best of ones ability,I will do the best I can to help others at least until folks personally depending on me,will then choose battles/and helping others a little more carefully.

      111. We are truly living in the end times; be it biblical or national the end is here. As you look at what our Government is doing, as you look at what society is doing, and what the world at large is doing, yes it tells you the end is here. What can we do about it, nothing, we talk about banding together to stop it, but we are too few and to spread out for that, the most we can hope for is to band with family and very close friends and will that do anything. No, only and maybe stop the assault on you and yours, for a very short time though. It is comforting to dream, but in all truth the nightmare will happen no matter what we do, it is going to happen. Am I going to stop and lay down, NO WAY, why, because I like the dream of a brighter future for my love ones. Alas; but we are on our own like it or not, us few, us band of brothers, and when our time comes make them pay dearly for destroying the DREAM! Be their NIGHTMARE!

        • For about the last 2000 years every generation of bible thumpers there where false profits who sincerely believed that they where indeed living in the end times predicted in the bible. So far they have all been wrong. That don’t make them bad folks just incorrect. What we are experiencing is an end of an age Cycle. It manifest itself in the form of a Pole Shift, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, Tornados ,hurricans, Droughts , floods, Climat change and every weird animal behavior imaginable, the Human animal included. most human animals have a soul. However some are indeed soul less and evil. Its not a extinction level event. Mankind will survive . nimbers of all forms of life will be significantly reduced. Pure old Root Hawg or die survival of the fittest.

        • Anon,agree,but remember,band of brothers and sisters!

        • @Anon,

          You are so correct. We are a small group, but, I have a feeling that there may be more of us than what is apparent. In spite of party affiliations, everyone will be concerned about survival when push comes to shove. Hopefully, those of us who are prepping will be in a position to provide leadership and clear thinking when everyone else is confused, discouraged, and lost. As Rahm Emmanuel said, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” As much as I don’t like the man, there is some sage advice in that quote.

          • Eagle,6 P’s.Proper planning Precludes Piss Poor Performance!A great phrase but in todays time perhaps 7P’s,Paranoid before the rest.I am with you in that at some point need to gather and work together,how folks will get there and trust one another is the issue,perhaps we all lead together.

      112. @ The Old Coach. Please read this.

        I respect you for all the really good comments you offer to this site, but I cannot believe you are still on me about these predictions that again and again come up. I will attempt to explain how I do this so you and others can better understand this.

        First of all I am not just forecasting the whole world, I am narrowing it down to specific regions within a 15 day period. Each time there is a NEW major earthquake there is a reset of this 15 day window. Each of these precursor earthquakes has a number of earthquakes that in the past have occurred in same spots. These overlap each other with each new precursor quake on the divergent plates, the place where the plates split apart from each other. This means that the plates are on the move and causing tension to build. This is a type of back fed from an area that is ready to break. You can plot these energy arcs using the direction of the way the plates move and through a three dimensional picture of the planet.

        For example look at what the same spot that has yielded major earthquakes after it was hit yesterday.

        SE Pacific Rise, 25.2S-115.7W, I used a .2 degree radius around this area, in other words 25-25.4s by 115.5-115.9W. Look at what has happened in the past all within 15 days of the same spot getting hit before.

        12-3-74, 6.5 Banda Sea, 6.9 Indonesia
        9-5-84, 6.6 N. Calif, 6.8 Japan
        9-11-85, 8.0 Mexico quake that killed 10,000, 6.9 Kermadec Islands.
        2-20-90, 7.6 Fiji, 6.7 Vanautu
        7-08-04, Fiji 7.0, 7.1
        6-13-05, 7.2 N. Calif., 7.8 Chile, 6.8 Aleutian Islands
        1-17-07, 6.9 Molucca Sea, 7.2 Vanautu, 6.7 Aleutian Islands

        As you can see this one quake favors certain zones, this is because of where this earthquake occurred. Each point has its own signature for future major earthquake. When you combine more than a couple dozen of these points you get patterns. Again, this is on top of plotting on a three dimensional scale. Remember this is a TINY area about 15 miles by 15 miles, a pinprick on a map. The wider you make the radius the less accurate it becomes. One degree of latitude is about 70 miles, longitude shrinks as you go towards the poles and I take in account for this.

        This is very important, before an area breaks you will NOT see ANY activity around the break area 95% of the time. This is because the area is so extremely locked that the area cannot let the energy loose other than the mass release of the energy in the major quake. This build up of energy has to go somewhere, this is the outer rims of the plates where the energy is not so locked. This back fed is what I plot from the zones that are experinecing the tension. I call it distant projection, this is why I call it precursor quakes. When you see energy being projected from a point, at these divergent plate boundaries you follow it back to where it originated from. Yes there are many of these acrs being fed back from Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. You won’t see this on Iris, and the lack of much earthquake activity other than swarms of microquakes are a bad sign that the area is very locked and experiencing a lot of tension.

        This is completely going against the conventional way of thinking what is taught in schools, but it works. When there are real specific energy acrs I can narrow it down to 2 or 3 areas in which I have done in the past. This site has kept all the previous comments to show this to be accurate. I wish I had one of those super computers because I could narrow it down to what the hurricane forecasters do to very small regions that will get hit. A person can only do so much with mega data to digest.

        These precursor quakes usually show less than a 80% of the time a major quake that follows. Many times I will have a date before that it hit and the words NO earthquake within 15 days. Most of the time the following quakes will be ONLY 6’s. I ONLY use 6.5 or higher. This sequence huge earthquakes continue to show themselves to follow and at least 85% of the the time. The above example that occurred yesterday was 100% of the time a major quake follows.

        Again, Old Coach, I respect the hell out of all the good comments you add to the site. Like good team work, a coach should encourage each member of the team. I hope this better explains how this forecasting is done. Until Nov.9 the areas I mentioned before remain very dangerous. This is the window from yesterday’s quakes to 15 days out.

        • Bi,
          In engineering terms the plates are either under compression or tension.
          The forces involved are either SCALAR or VECTOR.
          For those not in the engineering community a SCALAR force is one that has magnitude ( potentional energy) without direction. A Vector is a force that exhibits both magnitude and direction ( directed Energy release)
          This is simple mechanics, forces acting on one area are tranfered to the opposite side (180* ) in
          Tension or compression . What BI does he uses the known location of tectonic plates where all the force is concentrated at the boundaries .
          Using this and empirical data ( past quakes ) you.can statistically derive what area could be affected by on going seismic activity based on past events taht are based the KNOWN REGIONAL GEOLOGY.
          This is real science and mechanics , theoretical analysis derived from data points.

          There is still a lot of unknowns but this system seems to predict large quakes based on precursor events and is scarily accurate.

          Another interesting concept discussed here is the effect of proton events and coronal mass ejections on the dynamics of the earths magnetic field and earths iron core. Could this effect the internal fluid dynamics of the core and mantle of our planet by disturbing the flow and circulation of materal by magnetohydrodynamic effects and contribute to seismic activity?

          I agree with BI something large is coming either caused by terrestial or extraterrestrial origin.

          Semper Fi 8541

          • @ Thinker. Thank you for helping explain this to the audience. Truly there is science behind this forecasting earthquake of large size to come. Too often you have the same tiny area being hit and then the same areas away from that point get their major quake. It is so much like three dimensional pool, the slightest variance and the trajectory is offset by many degrees. This is why I keep the radius of these precursor zones as small as possible. Sometimes I will even narrow it down to a few miles. One time I used a 4 square mile area and it hit dead on in Indonesia within 7 miles of the same location 3 years previous, almost the same magnitude also.

            Tracing back to where the energy came from is not easy. It is like the difference between firing a pistol free hand and the hand gun put on to a very stable platform of some sort. You can hit the target but nothing like when you can control the stability of the firearm. This is what it is like with trying to figure out where the waves of energy have come from and using some super government computer to exactly calculate the arc back to its source.

            I am so impressed by just how much people like yourself, JustOneGuy, and so many others know way more than practically anyone else on any other blog site. The government must monitor this site 24/7 and wait for the day when most of us will be face to face with a black helicopter and some character telling us that we are going away somewhere. I mean there are so very bright light bulbs here and you know that everything we talk about is watched like some hawk sitting on a telephone pole, every last word we speak. I am sure good old BO has my number for calling him BO always. A little bit of amusement this afternoon.

            • @ Night breaker, Sorry, I don’t know why I typed in thinker. I am so spaced out today, I have been raking leaves all afternoon and I am beginning to see yellow and orange colored leaves everytime I move my head.

          • Howdy NB,

            Good question…if I may?

            “Could this effect the internal fluid dynamics of the core and mantle of our planet by disturbing the flow and circulation of materal by magnetohydrodynamic effects and contribute to seismic activity?”

            Ahh, an Engineering fan, outstanding…and so I say: Well-met Senor!

            Indeed, tis true. Thre Earthly magnetic field ‘couples’ to any electromagentic occurance in the proximal vicinity of the planet as one would expect; in principle, the circumstance is much like the bar magnets we used to play with when we were kids, remember those…rememeber the ‘experimant’ where we placed a compass ibear a small d-cell battery powering a samll coil of copper wire? Yep, the same…EXACTLY, the same except that the scale here is a loittle larger…well, a LOT larger, Eh?

            ANY CME is fundamenatlly a mass of inonized gas (read as; conductor here) and so what happens when sych is moved throgh an existing magnetic field? Briefly, tyhe abswer is a TORQUE is induced…one that acts BOTH onthe ‘conductor’ here invilced a well the magentic ource fromn which the field involved originates…in this exampole, the Earth itself.

            To be sure, there are “second order” effects of myriad types, but this is the primary effect. Now, what the hell does THAT mean?!?!

            Here it is in a nutshell…the CORE of the Earth is – by ALL reasonable estimations – a multi-hundred mile wide (~ est at 800 miles) body ocomposed proimarily of FE-Ni (compounds Ferrous Nickel) and that body is rotating MUCH more rapidly than is the aurrounding ‘Mntle’…which we THINK rotates about as rapidly as tye surface itself…S’OK so far? Well, the peculation is that at tyhe depths and presures that we suspect exist atg the level of the CORE, then that mass is effectively a ‘hyper-fluid’, somewhat similar in behaviour to liquid Helium (He II) thus allowing it to spin rather freely withi in the bulk of the mantle. NOW, what happens if the stable equilibrium which mst eists in order for US to remain alive here on the surface is DISTURBED by somew agency…like sya, a geo-magentic storm of Solar origin,

            WE SPECULATE that there wold occur chenge in the dynamic balance existing betyween core and mantle…which would lead to a ‘turbulence at the interface twixt those two. And that is where it starts to get interesting….and VERY difficult to predict much of anything as we KNOW very little about the ‘deep Earth’ but specialte much! It goes without saying that the CRUST – what we STAND upon – is DIRECTLY inflenced by what UNDERLIES it, Eh? Therefor, disturbances in the MANTLE result in DISTURBANCES in the CRUST.

            That there exist long-term stable ‘structures’ within the nmantle is obvious else we would njot have the Hawaiin Islands…or Yellowstone, for that matter as both depend on the slowly shifting ‘hot spots’ beneath – renakining in roughly the same place for a LONG TIME – in order to manifest themselves as they do.

            Incidenatlly, I’m NOT trying to be excruciatingly ‘pedantic’ here…just trying to be CLEAR, which I suspect as sonmeone – such as yourelf – showing a clear grasp of Engineering, ‘drifts towards’ rather directly. S’OK?

            To be sre, there are other things that play into all this,,,but moft are of far lesser orders of influence. Incidentally, there IS a speculation going ’round the academic quarter that runs something like this:

            “The DEEPEST EARTH, has at it’s CENTER a mass of trans-uranic material (which would typically be MUCH heavier than even Fe-Ni – and that both the anomalous, remnant ‘Heat’ within the body of the planet (which SHOULD have cooled about a billion yearx ago), as well, the FACT of the – also anomalous – terretrial magnetic field exists…none of the other major ‘rocky’ planets are so equipped…and that this mass MAY amont – in volume to samothing like several miles across.”

            A such, then some other ‘intesreting things’ come intp play potentially…such a s ANYTHING which is capable of altering radioactive half-lives, thus changing the amount of HEAT being prodced DEEP.

            Well, hope that helps to clarify things somewhat…if not ASK; we seldom BITE anyom=ne’s head off here for asking questions in a reasonably decent way…

            ….’GOOBERMEMT TROLLS’ is another thing altogether, ie ‘shit-disturbing’


            • .Jog,
              Well said it looks like you, BI, and me are on the same page . An excellent example of what you described exists elsewhere in our solar system IO and its interaction with Jupiters magnetosphere. If it can cause volcano’s and affect that moons internal geologic make up .
              It can on earth also produce the same events but on a larger scale due to mass.
              You bring up an idea that I did not think of on the Trans uranium elements in earths core producing the heat of our planet. Uranium (U) atomic weight 92 is heavier than iron (Fe) 26, nickel (Ni) 28 , and would tend to sink to the center of mass. We all know what happens with Trans -Uranic elements when they are bombarded with protons or neutrons. It accelerates the decay and produces heat. The mantle of the earth is a convective body and behaves as a typical fluid when subject to heat transfer producing circulation and eddies some of which are perturbed by outside forces (coreolis effect ) . With all of the strange things happening with the sun (mauder minimum?) we just had another m class flare, and geophysical activity something has to occur according to the physical laws of thermodynamics.
              May be this is what TPTB fear and are preparing for along with other nefarious goings on .
              JOG, BI, I once worked in R&D engineering for a government agency , now that agency is a shadow of itself, we did great things in science and engineering I believe retreating from our prowess in Aerospace is what has led to the downfall of our country We have abandoned what captured the imagination of our people , produced many things that we take for granted today , and expanded our technological horizons. A thing we did well.We turned our back on the great adventure our people began, we were going toward the stars on a voyage , on a vast new ocean called space those were such heady times.
              I am quite out of place in my current assignment with DHS it appeared my only asset to this regime is my service in the USMC when I was younger, my unit feels the same disillusionment and are not happy with our predicament. I am one of the few who actually has a higher education there Which earned me the moniker ” Doctor” , ironic isn’t it, post graduate to ground pounder at middle age. Not the other way around , such is life in the age of Obomo!
              I fell something big is going to happen and my purpose in this life is probably going on course for what I have been brought into this world to do.i believe each one of us will play an important part in what is to come. Remember a lot of our founding fathers were scientist, engineers and doctors called to a higher purpose in a time of extreme need.
              Human beings have always survived to rebuild we are a resilient bunch made in the image of our creator.

              KEEP PREPARING




              Semper Fi 8541

      113. I have felt a “Fort Sumpter” moment is imminent for quite awhile. Seven shots in a thirteen tear old carrying a toy. That is enough for me but any attempt at a national organization for redress of government wrongs will be immediately and mercilessly crushed. I wonder if that will even do it. I have my doubts. We had better quit strategizing revolution and begin thinking resistance. Both would be advisable.

        • Grandpa,and just dropping out tax wise whenever possible,keep it barter/trade,may not starve the beast but leave it hungry and a bit weaker before it attacks.

        • @ BJ. That is interesting. The massive earthquake talked about in Revelation is no way the Japanese or Haiti earthquake. It might not even be the San Andreas or New Madrid fault breaking. IF there is enough momemtum (indertia) behind a plate going it can continue on to other sections of a plate. This would have to be entire sections of a plate that were ready to fail, but it is possible to have a fault break for more than a few hundred miles. This would be more what I would think that would happen under the mass earthquake. Could be an asteroid impact also as this would cause the Sun to be blocked out for a long time.

          This is more of JustOneGuy’s field in space, but it has been thought for a while that some mass of dark matter passing in front of the orbit of the planet and blocking the Sun off for 3 days could be another way the planet could go dark for 72 hours. I think the Outer Limits or Twilight Zone TV series made an episode on this.

          I do know something about human behavior, and people can self fulfill any phophesy for many reasons; power, control, fear, just because they feel it will happen and it does. Some whacked out leader of a country could of course know that “this is the time” and act on it. Many of the phophesies come true because people make sure they come true. Still this gives a thought to ponder with, as many dates “collide” with other astronomical importance.

      114. **The man who goes alone can start today;
        but he who travels with another must wait till that other is ready.**
        Henry David Thoreau

      115. I see smiling people shopping at Walmart, using EBT cards to pay for food, I see sad young people working at Walmart, for practically nothing. I see too many of this wherever I go. I see convicts in prisons building up massive bodies, and I see young skinny hungry people walking the streets. I see fatcat politicians living delicious lives, and I see young people struggling to make ends meet working retail. I see senior citizens sitting at the Casino’s spending their social security checks, I see young people living in their cars. I see that the fat old and wealthy are taking it all in stride and that a war has been waged on the young people of America. I sometimes wish that something like this would happen, but not just 10 days, a little longer would be better. It would unclog the artery’s of reality and place people back into the position of where they actually really belong. For example Old people should be graceful and not taking from the mouth of the young. You have already eaten, you have taken all for yourselves and then you still want more. 10 days of diet would be a good thing for most Americans sitting at the buffet and 10 days without their EBT cards and freebies would be 10 days of relief for the taxpayers of America. 10 days is not so bad for those young people that have had to struggle for years sometimes, they would be able to survive it. The convicts locked up and eating free and working out on their muscles, it might not work out for them. I guess the survival thing would come into play for them and whoever survived it would be the winner of it. As far as the old people sitting around throwing their money away would have to figure out how to survive without a buffet and a casino. I don’t really know what they could do? I guess they could go around begging young people for food and help. Although they have turned their backs on the young in America. I see too much inequality and it’s all against the young. Hard times are coming, I hope you thanked a young person today for all the hard work that they are doing. Paying all those taxes and now fines that they will have to pay to have an insurance policy that they will most likely not need for another 20 years or so, but those living on the government dough and the old who are sucking up everything in site. It’s too much! Maybe it’s a good thing if this did happen? I have seen these things all of my life, old people should realize that they are getting in the way of the young and give them an opportunity to live and make the best of the opportunity that they have. Stay out of their lives and pockets. The government is runned by old people and their corporate cohorts and old politicians. Anyway I ranted too long…………

        • BS. BS. BS.

        • Most of the young want a free ride.

          • And I hope the young get their free ride right into the nearest FEMA camp! Moochers should be terminated,if you wont work you shouldnt breathe!:)

        • question: Do you want old people to die?
          answer: Yes, what do old people normally do?

          p.s. I am old 🙂

        • old people tend to vote. They tend to vote democrat. the old people have voted themselves money & benefits from the public coffers. Im 63 and am still producing. Myself I don’t much care for old people even those my age, They are unrealistic denialist. They get a new doctor and state maybe this new doctor will find out what is wrong with me? What the fuck look in the mirror your old and there isn’t any cure and there is no point in spending gobs of money to prolong your taking parasite oxygen thieving existence. Although its unpopular to state the fact the lions share of old people are not contributing. They simply put are oxygen thieving parasites. Shure many worked and paid in to social security. They paid a small percentage of a low wage. The lions share receive every penny the paid and more in within 3 years. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. I think I will sign up on the Social Security Ponzi scheme in Jan of 2014. If I can just get back what Ive paid in back ill be satisfied. I wish it would go ahead and go all to shit. Im ready and not getting any younger. I want to live to see it. Its eventually gonna happen. We cant stop or mitigate it. Just as well embrace the new adventure.

          • For what it’s worth I think a lot of old people have worth and value. My mom is older than you, healthy and still very active in her garden and works full time because she enjoys it. I think my mom being one of those “old people” that she has a lot of worth and value.

            She also is a rather non-political person.

            My mom, and I’m sure many other people feel the same regarding their older parents, is worth beyond any earthly value to me. I’d give my life to defend hers or my kids if need be.

            My mom, my children, my husband are my winning lottery ticket on this earth. Beyond priceless.

            I hope you have folks in your life that feel the same for you.

          • Old Guy:

            Seems you are always looking to get spanked for your posts.

            At this stage of the political game whoever you choose to vote for at the national level, Republican or Democrat, you will be voting for a progressive, libtard, marxist, unAmerican bastard.

            I voted for McStain thinking he was the lesser of two evils. I am pretty sure you know by now he is just as evil as our illegal Kenyan.

            At 63 I dont view you as any “young thing”. What age do you consider people to be parasitic oxygen thieves? You should be jumping for joy over the Obamacare. I believe in that legislation there will be death panels to help America get rid of the “parasites”. You had better keep yourself healthy at 63 or you may be on their list.

            Seems to me there are just as many “young parasites” in America and most of them are democratic libtards sucking up oxygen also. What do you propose should happen to them?

            • Granny I don’t post for approval. The fact is When the government props are gone what happens to the parasites. the young and healthy parasites could possibly quit being parasite and start fending for themselves. The old and infirm will continue to be a burden on someone. Myself Im not afraid of dying. my preps are for my grandchildren. voting for the lesser evil isn’t helping much. In healthy and dont want or need health insurance.

            • Howdy, Granny. good to hear from you again.

              • Hi there Braveheart:

                I have been in Idaho visiting my sister who is terminal with cancer. It is good to be home and back on shtf. Always good to see your posts and opinions. We need more people like you in this upside down world. Are you going to your relatives for the holidays?

          • So you want everyone who knows how to do things to disappear, so the young people won’t have a chance to survive?

            I have a nephew who didn’t even know how to operate a yardstick to measure a wall. Most young people have no useful skills. They go to college and get degrees in social studies and wonder why they can’t find a job. They walk around listening to crappy music on their MP3 players, or text constantly, or twitter every two minutes, or update Facebook constantly to tell the whole world how ignorant they are.

            I am older, and I plan on being around for a good while. If there is a collapse, I hope to be around to help rebuild.

        • Olden,

          Don’t you have it half ass backwards? Most old people have to work past retirement age, they have to take in their 30 plus year old kids because the grown kids are either lazy or can’t find work because the old parents paid for the kids college degree in some bizarre field.

          I look at the elderly where I live and see hard working men and women, I see lazy rude young people and I see that the back bones are getting a lot softer with each generation.

          Perhaps you live in Vegas but in most of the country, old people are treated like garbage.

        • @Olden,

          I am so sorry that so many people gave you a red thumbs down. I gave you a green thumbs up. There is much truth in what you said. I do feel though that there is much to be learned from the old and the infirmed, the very young and the helpless. They are the most vulnerable and most likely will be the first to go, but, I am convinced that they are the ones they make us human, that make life worth living, that make life worth protecting.

          Narcissism is ultimately self destructive and whoever engages in narcissism really limits the scope and depth of their life. Altruism is seeing the good and value in others and will ultimately help save humanity. We should never begrudge our senior citizens even if they seemingly are no longer living productive lives.

      116. Has anyone else noticed that the children’s literature we old folks grew-up on is hard to find in libraries and bookstores these days, not to mention schools? I mean values-rich stories like Aesop’s Fables, the stories of Hans Christian Anderson,Grimm’s Fairy Tales, heck, even stuff like the story of the Little Red Hen. You probably need a pass to get into the ‘Restricted Section’ to find books like Huckleberry Finn, Uncle Remus’ Stories and Little Black Sambo and the Tiger witht he original expressions intact; even the Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat. We have be protected from language and violence you know- at in print. Don’t disrupt the collective.

        • Part of the reason is the old copyright date. I knew someone who was a school librarian. The average age of their collection was important to the school system. She had to go through the collection periodically and pull older books, regardless of condition or worth, and discard them to keep the average age of the collection new enough.

          Who has most of those discarded classics, such as “Epaminondas and His Auntie”?

          Archivist, that’s who.

          • I remember that story too, now that I’m reminded of it. Thanks for the memory. I guess it’s time for all of us to pay attention and be careful how we step.

            • Yes, Epaminondas was very careful stepping on pies. You can download a color PDF of the book at archive (dot) org, along with several other books by the same author, Sara Cone Bryant.

        • Everyone should be required to read The Little Red Hen and The Ant and The Grasshopper in kindergarten!

      117. First, don’t dress like you are in the military.
        Two, don’t be an asshole.

      118. When the next great depression comes, and it will, there will be mass starvation. The country has grown lazy, weak, and corrupt. All those that rely upon government assistance, benefits, and pensions will be the first to suffer greatly. The only way to avoid misery is the ability to produce your own food, defend your land, and team up with like minded neighbors. If you think this is not possible, look that those hungry TODAY in Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Venezuela. It is coming. Cheap food today will be worth more than gold in years to come. If you live in a big city, you have but a few years to get out, and move to rural areas. The population of the big cities will rapid decrease, as violence, hunger, and disease become widespread. Look at Detroit as a model, except occuring in weeks rather than years for Detroit. Five years from now, if you find yourself to be a starving refugee, and having read this warning, you have NO ONE to blame. The bankers did not cause this collapse. It is the 50% of the population that living off of the government, and votes for politicians who promise unsubstainable benefits, who are at fault.

        • the next depression is already here. There is a larger percentage of the population unemployed and underemployed than during the 1930,s. Its just the soup lines are replaced by the EBT. and the social security and other government props are giving a false impression. Its a house of cards build upon unsecured debt. We have too many taking parasites and too few making producers. The parasites have severly weakened and will eventually kill the host. There isn’t and hasn’t been for quite some time a viable political or ballot box solution. So where does that leave us?

        • I respectfully disagree. It is the bankers, and those who coordinate the creation of and the amount of circulation of currency, who are the ultimate power holders.

          Bankers always need and therefore seek to create a fiat system of money (i.e., print money which they have the exclusive right to print) which allows the issuance of money that has debt attached to it, ie. money that they can loan. This can’t be done with precious metals, and the bankers hate them.

          Bankers can, with a snap of their fingers magically create fiat currency. They did nothing to earn it, but can turn around after this “big bang” creation of money and loan it to the government and through a very convoluted system of transfers, ultimately to you and me and collect interest on it. So then they get the principle (already created out of thin air), plus the interest, and they get to use the money first, in what I call the “first pass effect”. The money buys the most before it escapes into general circulation. By the time the average citizen gets a hold of the money, it, as in the narcotics trade, has been “stepped on(diluted) ” so many times, it has lost a lot of its purchasing power through inflation.

          Yet no value or work product has been created/added by the banks with this fiat currency. Furthermore, for every dollar you deposit into their bank, they suddenly can loan out 9 dollars, and collect interest on that. Again, no value added by them, only by the work you did to enable you to deposit that one dollar. This is the devious nature of the fractional loan banking system. This and the fiat insuance of currency are inherently inflationary, because more money has to be created to pay back the principle and interest. Your dollar is now worth 3 cents compared to what is used to be worth before the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK was formed in 1913.

          While the banks get rich from loaning money for which they did nothing to earn, you have to labor, grow, mine, manufacture, heal, clean, build, harvest, transport, repair to make your money.

          So where do the politicians come in? Well you must first understand that basically politicians have nothing to offer society. For the most part they have never run a successful business, and if so, not for very long, nor performed any usueful work. Look no further than our glorious Commander in Chief. He has never done a thing in his life except, as I can see, benefited from some kind of affirmative action, gone to college, and run for political office campaigning from a teleprompter. He couldn’t possibly have any idea how to run a business, or understand what value added work is all about, much less how to set up a national health insurance government agency!

          But I digress. Politicians are in office because they have nothing to offer. They depend on voters to re elect them to office. To get re elected, they need to pay for the promises they make. The fracional reserve/fiat based monetary system allows debt enables politicians to pay for these promises.

          Whether a politican is a Democrat or Republican is immaterial. He is a politician. He seeks re election. To get re elected he must offer the voters a free lunch. He must borrow to pay for these free lunches. This can only be accomplished with a fiat currency system.

          Once a politician becomes established in office as a career politician, he becomes a magnet for corporate influence money. The politician gets rich and the banks and corporations get political favors in return. A Fascist state ensues.

          But the politicians are just errand boys in the grand scheme of things. Obama is an errand boy. As George Carlin so astutely remarked in his famous diatribe (The club-you ain’t in it!) the politicians, e.g., the Republicans or the Democrats , are there to make you think you have a choice. You don’t!

          This is what people really need to understand. But when more than half of the population is already on some form of government handout/payment/money transfer, even government “workers”, then there is no turning back until the productive middle class revolts or shuts down and starves the beast. I don’t think the current system of government will enable us to do what we must politically to correct this situation.

          • @Horse’sass, Old Guy,

            I appreciate your postings. I agree with what you said about fiat money and the banking system. Look to Zimbabwe, as much as I hate it, this country is headed in the direction of Zimbabwe and Obama could become the USA’s new Mugabe. How do the good people survive in Zimbabwe where daily inflation has made their money practically worthless?

            I was talking to a RINO last night and his big concern was the ‘Tea Party’ and their ‘naiveté’ concerning economics. The fact that some were proposing to allow a default was unconscionable to him. I tried to tell him that the country was already broke, the system was broken, and the current rate of creating ‘fiat’ currency was unsustainable. I agree with you completely, we are in the ‘greatest depression’ already and the politicians are covering it up by printing more money and handing out more EBT cards as you so articulately put it.

            The soup-lines are out there as never before, but, they are occurring in the Wal-Marts and supermarkets right before our eyes. The soup-lines have been deviously camouflaged by TPTB. The choices of items piled high in the shopping cart in front of you is misleading, it is not a sign of prosperity and success, it is the new ‘soup line’. It is unsustainable.

            As more and more people are recruited to the government dole, a permanent ruling class has been established and elections will make no more difference than it does in Zimbabwe. The RINOs are no different than the Democrats and they are composed of people just like your neighbors around you at the moment. There is no way out of this mess and that is why they keep kicking the can down the road while they amass greater debt for the country while amassing greater wealth for themselves and sell their souls to the Banksters. How do the mighty fall!

            Will there be a moment of truth in the future of this great country? Perhaps, but TPTB will keep trying to bailout the system as long as possible. Eventually the system will die on the vine but until then, what George Orwell so succinctly said will be true for the US and the world: “The choice for mankind lies between freedom and happiness, and for the great bulk of mankind, happiness is better.” No ‘freedom’ is worth dying for! There is no ‘freedom’ worth dying for. I hate to say it but that is as cynical as it gets folks.

          • Yes it can and Was done with Precious metals. How do you think the very first London Bankster rotschilds did it? They had GOLD, and devised a method they called Fractional Reserve. For each ounce of Gold they had they can loan out 10 ounces. Sounds alot like todays fiat paper frational reserve loans eh…Because it Is the exact same system. It Began with ONLY Gold before any paper moneys.

            If today we switched to metals nothing will change as the same banksters has most of the gold.

            Germans Proved the best method was when they copied Abe Lincolns Greenbacks dollars that the Treasury dept printed and were usa dollars printed Debt and INTERST FREE both.

            Thats the same system germans used to fix germany after wiemier republic fiascos caused by WWI and versai treaty swindles against germany etc.

            They Booted out jew banksters, ended intrest and debt created cash, and based new german Marks aka dollars, on the Labor worked and Products and services that labor workers produced. Any other nations who rejected new marks cash, germany Bartered tradeed for goods and resources. They Barter traded say, Foods stuffs for german made steal etc.

            Thats the REAL Reason every usa and european newspaper in 1933 headlines said “Judia Declares WAR against germans and germany!” Some newspapers said it as “World JEWERY Declares WAR on germany!”…All such newpapers articles had long written articles under headlines telling every jew worldwide to Join the Boycott! and that any european and american merchants who refuse to boycott ALL german made goods etc are antisemities and jew haters!

            Boycotts meant 2/3 rds of germanys folks will Starve as food Had to be Imported. As did Gasoline etc also. That type economic Boycott is akin to open warfare declared against germany.

            The Main Reason jews did such is to Protect swindler jewish banksters in London and New York and France, as once Other nations figured out How germanys made what was being called worldwide as “The German Mirical Recovery!”

            Then all other nations would realize they do NOT need any midleman jew banksters to “Loan at interst” the Money that already belongs to that nation and its own peoples!(Like ICELAND did 6 months ago! Booted or Jailed scam jew banksters and state prints cash Debt-intrest free now and all is swell in iceland today!)

            Just as america today is being swindled by jewish banksters. Why does us and the fed govnt need any jew bankster men to act as a middle man to loan us our usa dollars? Who OWNS the usa? WE the People does! Who also Owns the nations capasity to print money? WE the People does!…So again why are ANY banksters needed and why should Interst be paid to borrow whats already ours?

            Do You get it yet?..None of the hundreds of so called money website experts or economic experts, are ever going to explain this in detail let alone name JEW banksters. Thats why barley any folks today gets it when the issue is Money and printing of it etc.

            Germans in LESS than 5 yrs total went from 35% Unemployed, bankrupted folks as an entire nation, to less than 2% unemployed and germanys economy and manufatureing going Gangbusters and Passing up England as the worlds greatest economic powerhouse nation.

            Thats the REAL Reason for WWII and real reason JEWS of the world as a group joined the boycott aganist germany.

            One jew even wrote a book titled “Why Every German MUST be Exterminated and germany as a nation MUST Perish totally”….It was Jews like him stateing the very word “Exterminate” german folks…There is NO recorded proof nor ANY documented proof that nazis or hiter ever stated anything of, exterminate all jews and german rule the world etc. Thats FACTS that we were Never taught and never ever shall see in Any jew run Hollywood or TV movies on WWII era.

            research this issue see for yourself the real truth on WWII and printing debt/intrest FREE cash.

            PS JFK was whacked for also defying jew banksters and use of us treasury notes intrest free. Thats the MAIN problem with paper money. No matter WHAT its backed by, gold, silver, labor, products etc etc…You can back it with salt or sugar. The problenm is NOT what backs paper cash…The real true problem is when Jew banksters are allowed to OWN and Control Banks and cash like fed reserve does and gets to charge interst and LOAN it out as principal that Must be paid back.

            Germans eliminated all that process…And that less than 5yr miricle recovery, was 100% acomplished without One single hair on any individual jews head harmed.

            Would the USA round up a group that were admited Communist Bolsheviks, and just Declared economic WAR against america like jews did in 1933 to germany?

            Bet yer ass usa would do the exact same round ups and encampments. In Fact usa DID it to Japs!! Japs Born on usa soil!….And usa rounded up every Jap Before germany did it to known commie jew dispruters etc there!

            This is all Factual proven history if you research it. If you need Links etc ask me.

      119. @JOG BI
        I cant wait to see whats rotating around to face earth, watching the solar videos it appears there is a lot of activity just over the western edge of the sun about to rotate into view.

        • Howdy Kula,

          You and me both, see my post below. Whatever is turning into us now along the Eastern Limb seems VERY large. It is not clear though whether that is ONE or TWO separate area’s; we simply can’t see enough of it as yet. I have had a small problem with my net connection today… enlighten me as to the ‘activity’ you mention, please.


      120. ….

        Good Afternoon Everyone,

        A small part of the mystery surrounding 11882’s activity is now resolved. As I said previously, when a spot group first rotates into sight, it is OFTEN exceedingly difficult to accurately assess what one is seeing; so it is.

        Around 08:00 CST this morning the HMIB(C) imaging had become sufficiently clear that the fullness of ir’s details were visible; in the trailing spot section, in the mass of the negative polarity flux located there, was seen a small ‘inclusion’ of tightly-wound (magnetically, that is) flux of opposing polarity. For various reasons which are a bit too deep to explain here (Imagine THAT…JOG saying that HE DOEN’T want to FULLY explain something!!!) it is the case that such a pool of ‘trapped flux’ cannot simply ‘dissipate’ like “smoke in the wind”. At the root of things here there are ‘Conservation Priniciples’ involved; similar to the Conservation of Momentum, Energy and etc.

        Sooo, then what happens is that the trapped flux – when ‘pinched’ by the surronding mass of opposing polarity causes the magnetic fleld density there to rise SUPER-HIGH. Anyone with basic Physcis knows that charged particles in a magnetic field follow the lines of magnetic force, Yes? Just so, only in the case of Solar plasma even the RANDOM motion of the particles there due to HEAT,thermal energy – is so high that as a ‘pinch’ occurs the velocity’s can push towards REALTIVISTIC levels…and NO, I’m NOT kidding here or exagerating the situation. As such then since the small region seen embedded in the larger surrounding mass cannot dissipate and is being thusly effected, then ‘Viola!, we get X-Flares from MUCH smaller regions than we would otherwise anticipate.

        Said enbedded region is still evident in the most recent imaging available at the time of this posting.

        ALSO, slightly south of the latitude of 11882, back on the very edge of the visible disk, there IS a another region entering into sight…it APPEARS to be rather LARGE and as yet emerging region – it is not clear at this time whether this represents ONE or TWO seperate regions. More to follow on that as warrated, later.

        Lastly, the EUVI 195 Angstrom SECCHI feed, from which we derive our informnation about all that is beyond the edge of the LOS viible disk, is indicating that 11861 group – which passed off the visible face some several days ago – is NOT decreasing in area AT ALL. It appears ‘Formidable’ at this point, but will not return again into our terrestrail LOS (line of sight) for at least 6 more days.

        For the nonce, I beleive that about covers it all, so ‘Adios Friends!’


        • Satori:

          You seem very concerned about the bird flu. Are you going to get in line for the new vaccine?

          Just asking………

          • @POG, Satori,
            Please tell us more about the ‘bird flu’ vaccine. The only ‘flu’ vaccine being recommended around here is the annual flu vaccine. I am a big believer in preventing anything that can be prevented. It is like prepping and learning how to use a weapon before you need to use it. We may not be able to prevent every flu virus out there but the vaccine does help to save lives. I got my flu shot last week and my wife got hers 2 days ago.

          • not any time soon
            no need at this point

            and coming from the Chinese ?

            let them lab rat it on someone else first !

            • @Satori,

              Please tell me you did get your flu vaccine for this year! I saw someone die recently, he had a wife and two strapping young sons. It was totally unnecessary if he had had his flu vaccine. It was a horrible situation.

              I agree with you concerning the ‘bird flu’ vaccine. Folks are working on understanding and developing vaccines for an event should it occur. There are a lot of products that we accept without a second thought from China but when it comes to medicines and biologicals, I would take a second look and make sure our people have had a chance to examine it.

              Thanks for the update. I have heard of some new virus strains out there. We need to keep vigilant.

      121. A message for the few, and how few there are.

        Luk_6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

        • I’m not giving away my food during a famine. That doesn’t make any sense.

          • At least That verse IS in the bible Barn Cat! Unlike what You keep saying is biblical IE “Bless the jews” which is NOT anywheres in the bible!

            So the Barn Cat type of christianity must consist of “Cherry Pick Only biblical verses he agrees with, and/or Invent Un-biblical verses that are a figment of his imagianation such as bless the jews nonsenceical nonsense, of which can be found NOwheres biblically written!” Man Barn cat should become a Pastor of his own church group…Maybe name that barn cat church, The jew blessers group of clueless unbiblical deluded souls.

            Join Barn Cats church where they make it all Up as they go!!!!!

      122. God Bless America…

        Come Lord Jesus Come, Amen.

      123. I for one will be glad to see no more Shitcagoans in Iowa after the the collapse.


      124. If you have medicines that require refrigeration or medical equipment that requires power, make preparations now.


      125. Between breaks today. Ive cut and hauled two cords of firewood today. Cut up a large hackberry. hackberry firewood makes a lot of good hot coals. the women and others who cooked on wood stoves preferred hackberry for cook wood.

        • Yea old guy, me i,ll burn almost any kind of wood except for the pitchy kind. Been burnin for 25 years now. Been stayin toasty warm through any winter day.

      126. I did a half cord in 3-5 foot lenths. I have a Nat forest permit. Problem here is that everyone has one, so the easy stuff is gone. I have to pack it out 100-300 yards. By the end of the day (4 hour day) I am beat. The firewooders usually are 2 man with lenths of cables and blocks (pulleys) to drag it out then cut it up. I do have enough for the mini ice age winter we are going to have. Most people here know whats going on, and read the farmers alminac etc as I see everyone REALLY stacking it up. No Elk for me this year but I will get a deer.

        • I have my own woodland. I can drive my 1944 M farmall right to the wood. Around here you can cut the tops left from logging operations. You can take a stick car trans and rearend and make a log skidding winch. You connect the rearend directly to the trans with a u joint. Drive the inpuit of the trans with a one cyl engine or a PTO. attach a brake master cyl to one rear brake. You could use the emergency brake cable also. if you lock up one wheel the other will spin. attach a cable drum or just use a rim to wind the cable on. Of course the whole rig needs to be mounted on a frame preferably a trailer. Use the trans low gear for large logs. a 3/8 cable is adequate and you can bring in logs 1000 feet away with ease. snatch blocks and fairleads are helpful. I built one from the five speed trans and rearend from a ford ramger. I drive it with a 4 HP engine via a chain and sprocket 4 to 1 ratio.

      127. Gone under,you are going to probably hate me but got four cord 8-10’dumped on my property for free,still a bit of work for next years wood.Neighbor blew out his back a ferw years back,better now,he has about 25 acres,cut his lawn with his tractor and mowed his fields for free my time/he paid diesel ect.Since then him and his hippy wife have sorta adopted me,any time he removes more trees for planting/solar I get the wood and delivered.They are totally off griders but a wood stove not in their lifestyle(to each their own),every now and then a good deed not only goes unpunished(rare) but actually comes back in a positive way.That said wood still work but the stuff that warms one twice!Best of luck with your harvesting,going to let the deep freeze make my hand splitting simple!

        • @Warchild… too bad you dont live closer, I would help you split it (for a small percentage). I also use a maul like you. I have a gas splitter, but the pine and fir up here just opens into quarters when it see’s the maul coming at it. It is actually more work lifting it up onto the splitter than wacking the rounds on the ground. When I lived in CA, we had oak, walnut and fruitwoods which almost required a gas splitter. Here, I can buy a full Logger load of about 10-15 cord dumped in the field for about 40$ a cord uncut/split, but I am too cheap and have plenty of time as I am retired.

          • Gone,where my mom lives mostly soft woods.She has a old school Lopi stove that burns like a baby dragon.She knows enuff to burn that stuff hot and after 6 years cleaned and basically nothing came out during a thorough brushing.That said,nothing like a solid piece of oak ect. end of night on slow burn!Will say @ 49 still 6’2″ 190 pounds with full head of hair ect.Yes good Nordic and Maori genetics but also say it comes from dealing with wood ect. on a personal basis,you ever camping my part of the woods(New England)be glad to give you a few nights fire of wood.

      128. Most young people don’t know what life is like without the internet. Those who lived without it before it was in everyone’s homes, won’t have a melt down if it were to go off. I remember life before computers took up everyone’s time, and everyone had a cell phone glued to their head. Most people don’t know how to communicate without facebook and twitter. If the grid went down, you’ll have massive amounts of young people learning how to live differently, without everything being instant. They are used to things coming quickly at the press of an app button. Life will be completely different for them and some will fall apart and go crazy in the first few days.

        How many young people know how to garden, can vegetables, let alone cook? I know young people who cannot even add and subtract, or make change, or spell properly. I remember when I was in high school, home economics was a mandatory course. Why? Because they wanted young people to learn how to cook from scratch and learn how to take care of yourself. This hasn’t been a mandatory course in years. I had to show a 20 year old the other day how you boil an egg.

        The one and only McDonalds in our little town has shut down for the past 3 weeks because of remodeling. The newspaper had an article in it featuring how the kids are missing the McDonalds. A 26 year old woman with two children said, and I quote, “I sure miss it. Now I have to figure out how to cook”. Was she joking? I hope so!

        I was lucky in the fact that my grand parents, who were children of the Great Depression, knew that it was foolish to not know how to do the most basic things; gardening, canning, sewing, and how to make things for yourself and get by. My grandmother taught me how to do a lot of things. I’m going back to a lot of their ways, in preparation for what is coming. Baking my own bread, growing my food, learning how to hunt etc.

        I think it’s important that parents teach their children, whatever age they are, to start preparing. If you’re not doing this, then you’re not doing your job. If they won’t listen, then do what you have to do to make it happen. If they still will not listen, and they are adults, then they’ll have to find out you were right. I sat my 22 year old niece down the other day and had her watch some videos, and we talked about the coming crisis with food. That was just enough to shake her out of her sleep. Now she wants me to teach her how to do some things. I don’t think we should give up on our youth.

      129. Russian Military Inspectors to Fly Over United States

        © RIA Novosti. Vladimir Ivanov
        01:44 27/10/2013
        MOSCOW, October 27 (RIA Novosti) – Russian military inspectors will begin monitoring flights over the United States starting Sunday under the international Open Skies Treaty, a Russian Defense Ministry official said.
        Experts from Russia will be conducting flights on board of a Tupolev Tu-154M Lk-1 aircraft between October 27 and November 4, Sergei Ryzhkov, the head of the ministry’s National Nuclear Risk Reduction Center, said.
        The flights will be carried out from the Travis Air Force Base in the US state of California, along agreed flight routes with the maximum range of 4,250 kilometers (2,640 miles).
        The Open Skies Treaty, which entered into force on January 1, 2002, established a regime of unarmed aerial observation flights over the territories of its 34 member states to promote openness and transparency of military forces and activities. Russia ratified the treaty in May 2001.
        It will be the 37th observation flight mission conducted by Russian military inspectors over the territories of the treaty member states in 2013.
        Each aircraft flying under the Open Skies program is fitted with optical, infra-red and radar sensors to gather imagery, which can be shared among all signatories to support the monitoring of compliance with arms control treaties.

        • Anon,

          Does that mean they get to over fly Area 51?

          Hell, they let the Russians see more then they let us!!!

          Got to love our own goverment. 🙁


          “You can’t fix stupid” – RON WHITE 🙂

          Y’all play nice.

          hillbilly SC

        • So When will Israel be Forced to sign on to nuke treatys and allow inspections? Israel is the ONLY nuke owner nation that has refused to sign and refuses inspections of Israli nukes. Meanwhile every fuckin day almost, Fanatical blood thirsty Netanyahoo and his zionist kommie jew pals keep complaining about Iran which has ZERO nukes and keeps saying iran has zero desire to own a nuke!

          Whos the True fanatcial enemys in that mid east regions eh? Only ONE such nation now exists it seems. The war mongering, blood thirsty, Goyim gentile haters, israel zio jew kommies.

          America should conduct a nationwide Petition Drive to force FOX-NBC-CNN-MSNBC ET AL, to begin doing Ongoing TV shows that EXPOSE whats written in the jewish babylonian Talmud books, and that Kabala black majik book they use, just like they did so swell a job exposeing what the muslims Koran has written in it about Infidels like Us.

          If You get murdered does it make ANY difference if You get killed due to being an Infidell? As Compared to being Murdered due to being a Goyim Gentile?

          Nope! Dead either reason Is dead right. Lets do petitions and demand an TV expose of the jewish “holy” Babylonian Talmud books. Otherwise some folks may begin to suspect the jews has something to…HIDE!

          Like for example one wonderfull Oft quoted and always Taught talmudic verse that states “Yes Even the Best of the goyim gentiles Should be KILLED!” If You aint jewish? That is about killing YOU! You gentile goyims.

          Good for goose=Good for Gander eh?…Equals- if fox/cnn et al does Koran expose’s, then they should do an Talmud expose also right.

          PS while they are at it, maybe also do a huge expose on the U.S.S. Liberty naval Ship that israel jews bombed/shot and tried to totally Sink after Killing all 200 USA Navy men aboard ship that happened in, 1967 in the attempt to Kill all men on ship, sink ship, then Blame EGYPT for it all to get usa to carpet bomb Egypt into stone age!!

          Gee with such swell best friends and allies as israel, who needs any Enemys?! In fact nobody ever had any troubles for 150-300 yrs from any nations of Mid east regions…UNTILL, 1948 when Khazar Imposter jews(see rev 2:9 for fake jews aka synagouge of Satan as per Jesus’ own words) Hyjacked the “state” of palestine and renamed it israel. Thats when everybodys troubles and enemys surfaced eh….Hmmmmmm…Oh How we was Lied to so often eh!

      130. I have been scrounging the leftovers from logging ops. Next year I will get a couple of snatch blocks (I like that word “snatch”) and a couple of 150 foot cables. There are restrictions on what is permited and the distance I can legally drag it, but for 20$, I can get a whole years supply of wood. I dont need a skidder, cause I only cut for me and help my son out as he drives long haul.

      131. never feed the pigeons….they will return and when they do they will bring others and leave nothing but feathers and crap..

        • Pigeons are better than GPS maps! If ever lost in trying to find ANY inner city Ghetto cities…Simply look skywards, when you spot any Pigeons flying past, Follow them directly to the nearest Large or medium sized inner city ghetto as that is where them type birds always hang out. For Proof positive visit sunny Detroit and observe every downtown building and Statue you see. Evidence of Masses of pigeons galore will be seen by the massive deep piles of bird crap droppings on every such building and Statue.

          Its like a GPS locator that Never fails! gps-Pigeons!

      132. As a prepper, I have been coming to this site for years in search of valuable information and sound advice.
        And although I have no business telling others how they should handle emergency preparations, I did want to weigh-in my alternative plan.
        You see, I have been preparing for years, but my plan involves the survival of my community. (In part, I took this direction simply because in Europe the populace are not armed as in the USSA. So, adopting a strategy-by-numbers makes more sense for us over here.)
        Also, we live in a bountiful region in the North of Spain; plentiful clean water, livestocks along with good agriculture, (although we were targets of heavy aerosol spraying this summer. Which I knew pretty much straight away was targeted towards our crops. (Few tomatoes this year.)

        One thing will be for sure; a lot of people are going to suffer. And before you go thinking we have it rosey over here, plans to keep away the city-hordes will have to be a priority for us. Less we want humans passing thru like a plague of locusts. (And it pains me think like this about my fellow being. But I also know I’m just preaching to the choir here on this site.)
        Btw, it’s not difficult to organise a community based prepping plan; most members already know their tasks. It’s keeping them safe and supplied with fuel that mainly concerns us.
        In closing, I wish to Salute you all for your intelligence. It’s reading comments from sites like shtf that allow for reality-checks every now and again.
        I hope to see you all on “the other side”, (but not of the fence, as in this video lol.) Namaste.

        • PYL: Namaste right back atcha. Thanks for the viewpoint from Spain.

          Building a community is key, as you point out. The whole gun thing on this side of the pond is very helpful, but still, a community is not composed of mostly warriors. Maybe you all don’t have a problem organizing a community based prepping plan, but my sense over here is different, since the sense of community here is less coherent than in your neighborhood.

          Look at the nature of so many of the responses to the problem of the kid in the film clip blabbing about the food supply of the “community”, which is the small family group portrayed. The responses largely are dictatorial, and many of them result in the “community” decreasing in size by about 20-25 percent. That’s not really the best survival plan, but some people won’t listen to reason, and prefer anger to compassion.

          Somehow, in that film clip scenario, a way has to be found to build community. That “neighbor” is probably not stupid, at least in the sense of not having a high IQ; more likely he has been largely ignorant, perhaps even willfully so, of the years of societal decline leading up to the moment of economic collapse.

          But he could split wood, since he looks like a more or less strapping fellow, and that’s what the Dad of the clip was doing, more or less. And the neighbor kids can weed the garden and even dig a new one. The Mom of that neighbor could also be very helpful; perhaps scouting and observing what’s going on in the “neighborhood”, perhaps assisting the other Mom with a never ending list of things to do. There’s any number of non-gender specific tasks needed for survival even without the threat of an armed attack.

          One thing to consider is hand tools. In no particular order, and not an exhaustive list: Shovels, rakes, hammers, saws, chisels, trowels, wheelbarrows. In short, the stuff of agriculture and carpentry. Fencing, staples, nails, screws. In fact, a one pound box of galvanized nails could become a type of currency, worth what, maybe ten 30-06 rounds? One’s rifle might be a tack driver, but without a box of tacks, not so much. Plus, as college kids, some of us tried that, and the fence post suffered most.

          Hopefully, there won’t be a collapse, and me and the family could visit the north of Spain sometimes.

      133. I thought the gov were looking on preppers as poss terrorists. This film could make more pl prep therefore give the authorities more pl to persecute.

      134. Prepper Tip of the Day

        one for every member of the family
        including the kids

        you can pick these up cheap at the big box
        store for 10=15 dollars each

        my advice
        spend a little extra and buy the type used
        by backpackers
        brands like Petzl,Black Diamond,Princeton Tec etc
        cost a little more
        but you will notice that the battery life is SUBSTANTIALLY better
        WELL worth the extra money
        easily available at EBAY or Amazon

        headlamps free up both hands for numerous tasks
        the brighter lights can be used for search and rescue
        the less powerful lights are perfectly adequate for most people’s
        such as cooking,reading etc

        • Yes, headlamps are great. The nicer headlamps are led and have circuitry. In an EMP situation, they may not work. I have both, the nice led headlamps and the old bulb style. The old ones are cheap and therefore inexpensive to have some put away in the preps. It is best to have the bases covered, especially when it does not cost a lot.

          • I am hopeing More Ghetto gangbanger type “Yooots” wear them cool Tennise sneeker shoes that have small LED bright Red and other colors Lites that light up every time they step Downwards. That should create a positve cross hairs aim point of referense when those bangers Yoots head north to rual wodded areas, and as they attempt an escape by running away into the wooded zones, patriots can simply adjuct their Aim points aprox 5 feet Above those blinking red shoe lites flashings like a signal that screams out, AIM here and shoot 5ft high!

        • Also, for safer lighting in you home, use solar walk-way lights as lamps. They work well, are pretty cheap, and reduce risk of firer.

        • Thanks. We have a couple of cheap ones, but I am going to get a Black Diamond 200 lumen model now.

      135. I have lost almost 50 pounds in the past few months so I will not be dependent on blood pressure meds when the SHTF. Saved my “fat” clothes to wear in public when it happens so I will look like I am starving too. Just an idea to add to the mix.

        • Good thinking!

      136. http://www.nbcnews.com/science/fukushimas-radioactive-ocean-plume-due-reach-us-waters-2014-8C11050755

        Nice job boomers.

        They put nuke plants in an earthquake and tsunami zone right on the ocean to pollute the world with little protection.

        People ask why we prep.?

        Because the more people there are….the more stupid ideas get implemented.

        Zero common sense. “I have a masters degree”….. that let’s the stupid ideas rise to the top.

        The world should be run by plumbers, and farmers.

        It would be a better place.

        There goes the sushi business japan.

        Then you add in the chemtrails…. when people say conspiracy..toss in the phrase geo engineering.

        I still remember sitting in a back yard and someone would be looking at the sky…
        Someone would say.. What are you looking at.. The person would reply…just how blue the sky is.

        No more. We have an entire generation who thinks the washed out skies are normal.

        It’s all bullshit.

        To survive the radiation and chemtrail poison, you will need to have great nutrition.

        Good luck… you are going to need it.

        • Why in the plu-perfect he** would you blame NUKE PLANTS on the boomers? Chip on your shoulder getting heavy?

        • You do realize that construction on Fukushima was started before I was in high school. So don’t go blaming it on baby boomers.

          You say plumbers should rule the world. Not if they are as stupid as some I’ve seen. My parents had a shower stall replaced with a bathtub years ago. The plumber reversed the hot and cold water lines. My mother went under the house and fixed it herself rather than trust the plumber to touch it again. And they charge almost as much as lawyers to do that. I do most of my own plumbing.

          The engineers designed a plant that was to last 40 years. Japan decided to push it 10 more years. The engineers designed it for placement on high ground. Japan excavated and lowered the elevation over 80 feet.

          Keep blaming baby boomers for things they weren’t even around for. And where I am, the sky is just as blue as ever, and there are no “chemtrails.”

        • The video is a load of crap. Things started changing before I was even old enough to vote. They started changing before any baby boomer was old enough to serve in Congress.

          Get this through your thick skull, all of you boomer haters. Things changed because of the crowd in DC of all ages, mostly born before boomers, from the early 1940s back to over 100 years ago. Strom Thurmond was born in 1902. He wasn’t a boomer. Richard Byrd was born in 1907. He wasn’t a boomer. Bobby Kennedy was one of the younger ones, born in 1925, and he wasn’t a boomer.

          And don’t say I voted for any of it. The system was corrupted and controlled before I was old enough to vote. Now I have no choice. I get a Republican primary ballot with only one name on it, and a final ballot with only two names, both of whom were chosen by the system, without any of my input.

          • Archivist:

            Yes indeedy. The history of mankind is a continuum, and it stretches back to before Egypt and Babylon. Those ancient historical communities probably would have been completely understandable by today’s politicians; they were systems of control over people, and slavery was an important economic component of those societies; today is largely the same, with the substitution of TV and A/C for chains.

            Unfortunately, our country was started on false premises, with some people being free and others only three-fifths so. Still, if slavery is to be stopped as the economic basis for human endeavor, somebody has to be the last slaveholder. For personal emotional reasons, I have chosen TJ, since, as a child, I believed in the words of the Declaration. Many of the haters on websites like this, not to mention lefty websites, do not share my belief in humanity or in liberty. They do not realize, or else they deliberately ignore the fact that our political systems have been more or less continuously corrupted since Babylon, with only sporadic moments of freedom.

            Bertolt Brecht: “All the gang of those who rule us; Hope our quarrels never stop; Helping them to split and fool us; So they can remain on the top.”

            I think Ike warned us about the changes that we see happening today, as technological improvements are being used to control minds by the complex he mentioned in his farewell address. They acted quickly; by the time of Vietnam, I began to realize that JFK’s death (back when I was in fourth grade) was no accident of history, but more likely the removal of an impediment to a non-Godlike plan for humanity. At some point, the genie must come out of the bottle, I suppose.

            But hey. Perhaps I should drink more kool-aid. I’m mostly trying to keep the fan blades clean.

      137. As the dollar dies, our ability to import everything and have the world our servants will vanish.

        Better know how to take care of yourself, and more importantly, fix things. The days of throwing away everything are coming to an end.

        • If now we had a gold system money like Ron Paul promotes, instead of trading paper fiat cash dollars for all goods importated Into the usa…We would be handing Over all of our Real solid Gold for imported goods. Untill america completely ran Out of Gold. Hmmmmm…I wonder if ron paul and gold promoters ever consider that aspect?

          When by the 1800’s era, jewish Banksters became the Owners of Most of the Gold that existed, and the same jew banksters created a vast Shortage of gold for usa consumers and workers etc to use as money, it caused several depressions and recessions.

          Thats why so many folks desired to switch to printed paper cash dollars. So More can be made and no shortages will occure. If they would have, the Dems that is under prez wislon 1912, Never allowed for the same jewish banksters to get total ownership and control of americas money system, none of the many recessions and the Great depression would have ever occured. And ZERO national debt would incured if no debt and no intrest was attached to paper cash.

          Now its the same jewish bankster cabals, only useing paper fiat cash dollars to create mass shortages of cash to supply folks and we have the current problems.

          Todays main money problem is TOO Few people has enough Cash money dollars to Spend and therefore go wanting and cannot pay their bills to live properly.

          Which also means all such talk by so many so called “experts” at money expert websites, of a Hyper inflationary events that Rivals 1930 wiemier germanys event is pure nonsense. Hyper inflation events cannot ever occure unless a vast majority folks Have tons of cash to spend and cause prices to inflate day to day etc.

          Todays Massive Lack of cash for so many folks in usa can only cause a DE-flationairy event due to nobody has enough cash to buy goods. That will cause a Boon for wise folks that saved alor of cash dollars and Wait to spend when everywheres stores Must Drastically Lower prices to even sell a few goods again.

          Individual private persons will also begin to Sell off many items due to shortages of cash to spend on needed foods etc….Thats when if you have Cash on hand, you can buy a motorhome or Vette or nice harly hog bike etc or cars and pickup trucks dirt cheep. Even brand New vehicles will not sell unless prices are drastically dropped to get sales flowing to earn cash to pay wages or elec bills etc by car dealers.

          Ironic that we usually never see articles that mention these issues at so many money experts websites eh?

          Is that due to perhaps those experts Main goals is to Sell You gold or silver at market prices which They probobly bought at way lower prices a few yrs ago?

          I do think thats what motivates so many ‘experts” writting at so many websites recently eh.

          If I am incorrect? Then why do none of those experts deal with these issues as I wrote of, and none ever names the true culprit “TPTB”‘s for who they really are.

          So far 99% of every article for 5-10 yrs now states we will have Hyper Inflation event. Yet none ever admits that cannot happen with just a few Donald Trumps in the usa who are capable of produceing actual wheelbarrows full of us dollars to spend like wiemier germany had.

          Somethings just not..Kosher, when it comes to expert money advice articles it seems eh.

      138. Looks like our sun may be trying to complete it’s polar flip(or shift) which may explain the strange recent uptick in flare activity and others. Just checked out the NatGeo website pertaining to the show tonight, interesting to say the least. http://www.survivetheblackout.com/

        They have an info-graphic type mural you can pan left to right on and it shows how the blackout situation degrades day 1-10. Not sure if I agree with all of their assessments, but truth is always stranger than fiction. One thing I didn’t like was the ‘personalize’ your experience button choices on the site. My experience has been violated enough by the 3 letter agencies already, no thank you.

      139. Be prepared for distortion and govt propaganda. Nat Geo, History Channel, and Discover all tow the govt line. They will not cross their masters. Just remember that when watching.

        • will remember

      140. Is it possible someone can upload this to YouTube for people like me who can’t watch it on TV? 🙂

      141. The beginning of the end for the “petrodollar”?

        The US dollar owes its privileged status in the global financial system to the Persian Gulf oil producers who sell their oil for dollars and then “recycle” the proceeds by buying US Treasury bonds. Economists coined a special term for the money involved in this scheme: “petrodollars”. The latest developments in the Middle East signal that the era of “petrodollars” may be coming to an end.
        Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_10_27/The-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-petrodollar-2572/

        • The end of the petrodollar? LMAO! Not likely in the next 20 years. Anyone who knows anything about oil & gas knows that while the source of the oil & gas is changing, the power that protects the New King of oil & gas is still the same. Thus the US “pivot” to the Western Pacific.

          The King is dead. Long live the King! 🙂

      142. Well, it was either…

        *Prosecute the bankers for the toxic mortgage/LIBOR scams that impoverished the world, making beggars out of all of us; and for fanning hyper-inflation (QE1, QE2, QE3, QE∞) that will result in food riots and mass starvation (American Holodomor).
        *Stop the looting and privatization of the world’s social safety net, public space, the commons, a result of imposed “austerity” due to the toxic mortgage/LIBOR/Social Security rip-off scams.
        *Punish the banking cartel’s multi-billion dollar drug-money laundering operations.
        *Investigate and punish the Bush-CIA-mafia S&L pillage.
        *Investigate why jobs and manufacturing are being out-sourced to China, how China came to own most US debt that financed the US war against…China, why China (the oligarchy) is buying up US assets at fire sale prices, even as the US is threatening war against China as it threatens the US economy (national security).
        *Investigate why the US government won’t move heaven and earth to stop the radiation spewing from Fukushima, poisoning the US, the northern hemisphere, and investigate the connections between the Fukushima, Stuxnet, HAARP and nuke created earthquakes.
        *Investigate who was really behind 9/11, the false-flag terrorist attack that touched off the serial, never-ending wars of pillage against the nation-states of the world, and created the pretext for the massive police state edifice now threatening the freedoms of everyone, providing the “legal basis” for FEMA camp round ups.


        The US government…

        *Stands by while the unprosecuted banking and economic crisis destroys the ability of cities and towns to protect their own citizens, fund their police departments…
        *Confiscates the guns…
        *DHS buys 2.0 billion hollow-point bullets while providing “tanks” to US cities and towns…
        *Flys soon to be weaponized drones over everywhere…
        *Israeli contractors run US NSA spying out of Mormon (occult) Utah…
        *Pre-positions military hardware in preparation for the coming US melt-down…
        *Buys thousands of “FEMA coffins”…
        *Destroys the social safety net, making being elderly, homeless, jobless and hungry a crime (useless eaters).

        Meanwhile, the US government and the MSM stand eerily by while Fukushima radiation serially, incrementally poisons the northern hemisphere for over a thousand years…

      143. ok that show was not as good as I thought it would be it It might be good for sheeple though to wake them up however that might be it not going to dospoilers because some might not have seen it

      144. It ended 10 minutes too soon.

      145. Reminded me of that Youtube video of the two Liberals trapped on the broken escalator and waiting for someone to come rescue them. Didn’t think it was that good and the jerky photography made me queasy without really adding anything to the story. I’d give it a 3 on a 10 scale. In my opinion it was over rated and pretty much a waste of my time to watch it.

      146. What a stupid ending to the show. A knife is at the father’s throat and Jason has a chance to redeem his earlier fuck-ups. He has a AK and just (in the nick of time) the lights come back on and all is forgiven. The ‘bad’ guys pack up and go home….???? WTF?

        • yea the bad guys are still just as hungry and want the gas just as bad as they did the instant before. No way that would have ended peacefully. That family would not have survived. Now if they had poisoned the bait food? If your planning on being a trespasser scavenger looter you just might steal poisoned food?

          • I actually thought of you and that action when I was watching. “Here ya go wankers!”

        • P. in P.O.: Thanks for saving many of us from wasting time watching that TV show.

          • there is MUCH to learn from watching the movie! i saw a lot of mistakes made, but we knew that going in. those that watched the movie, can you really say you didn’t LEARN anything from it? PFFT!

            • Thanks! I did the same thing “Ok, I’m stuck here (for some reason) like this person, what do I do better?” I won’t be like them but IF, God Forbid, something happens and all is lost, what would I do?

      147. Sucky movie. The Mamby Pamby ending was pretty hokey. If you pull a weapon you shoot don’t talk shoot. If your not gonna shoot don’t point it. I think Ducos said that on the good the bad & the ugly. Guarntee If I point my gun at anyone ill be squeezing the trigger.

        • There would be no count of 3. There would have been no ‘raiders’ getting close. There would have been no mix up from the beginning about food and rule of law there. After the first ‘mistake’, he’d have been dead. There would have been more than one camera. I wouldn’t go out to face a crowd alone. I wouldn’t take a man-to-man weapon; it’s a crowd, take a crowd weapon (flames anyone?)
          I gotta admit, the kid alone has a pretty revolver (Ruger SP101?)

          I almost choked on my mac-n-cheese when I heard “I’m gonna sue!” BWHAHAHAHAHAH

      148. The message I got from this short clip is…don’t let preppers into your neighborhood! The “beggar” mentioned that the “prepper” was in and out of the property, meaning it was a bol. And then it’s shoot before share. It puts preppers in a bad light. If you are that prepared your kids already know not to say anything and you “know your neighbor”, even if its just to meet once or twice, because shtf is not the best time to get to know someone. I don’t believe this puts us in a good light at all, but it still may get some “sheeples” thinking.

      149. I thought it was a great movie. Not so great as far as plot, acting, etc. But if it just made another 10 – 20,000 people briefly consider storing a few bottles of water, some canned food and a few $$ in cash, it will be just that many fewer entitlement minded folks that have to be dealt with when something similar does actually occur.

      150. If this happens, the big city happenings will surely be pretty entertaining to watch on the TV. I live in a rural town, surrounded by other rural towns and 11 miles to the closest “city” of 28,000 people, I think the best game plan in my area is to keep silent on my preps, lose weight during the SHTF, act miserable and blend in with the neighbors.
        I’m sure the neighbors would get together to secure the entrance of our neighborhood of private roads, I’d likely head up that project.

      151. Least We Must Understand: -the initial takeover of N.America was instigated on 23/Dec./1913, while most of our usRepresentatives had left Wash.DC for home to commemorate Xmas (-based upon Christianity, an inane Jew-faith used to make naive non-Jews submit to deceptive Hebrew Zionism/Communism! ) the arch-criminal robber-baron Rothschild/Rockefeller-agents voted to install their greed-driven sinister pvt./Fed.Reserve & IRS-henchmen and ADL(disinformational Jew-Zionists)! Since then, by these Zionists having hyjacked our u$Treasury, the notion of America has been progressively subverted as feared by our Founding-fathers, –by scheming privative-minded Hebrew Zionist-Bank’sters instigating endless horrid inane warmongering aggression against sovereign-nations, –who want peace as much as we do! Now these Zionists which held Russians in heinous-tyranny for many decades, have infiltrated from the Oval-office down to City-hall to similarly destroy our most precious usConstitution & BoR’s, -by dumbing-down the education-sys., instigating open-borders whereby some 50-Million illegal-aliens (-which incredibly even includes our own puppet-Pres.! ) are enabled to take jobs, -even whilst automation has increased the unemployed! The Zionist that have control of our monetary-sys. via their counterfeit dollar$ they call Fed.Reserve-Notes, are insidiously intensifying their Economic-tyranny over us, -via their ever expanding welfare schemes, -which sadly even includes our worthless usMilitary, –since the Zionist’s Pentagon does nothing to protect our Borders, nor protect us from these divisive domestic enemies! Our only hope NOW is to abolish the so-called Fed.Reserve & IRS criminals, –which a proper usPres. can accomplish at the stroke of a pen; -thereby depriving these vile parasites from further extorting the income of our honest personal earnings! Note that there was no such thing as Property-tax prior to that fateful date almost a century ago, when the Communist known as Pres.-Wilson allowed his Zionist backers to implement the never ratified criminal Fed.Reserve-act of 1913, –which is responsible for horrid world conflicts, and suffering the disruption of American family-life via confiscation of millions of homes through Froad’closures by their greed-driven Bank’sters…! For further insight go to YouTube and enter- “The Money Masters”…. –then tell others what must be done immediately to derail the Zionist Bank’sters insanity…!!! Thank You for reading… ~R.vH

      152. One thing that occurred to me watching the BOL segments; once the family friend/freeloader started giving away the family’s food it was too late to close the barn door. It might have worked better to have him continue doing it at night “in secret” as before as far as the neighbors knew, thus not cutting them off entirely and letting them think they will continue getting enough if they didn’t let word get around. The dad could control what was given away as well as provide security from concealment and make sure it did not get out of hand, while the idiot child would have to do some work to keep the damage he did to a minimum. He also would have seen face-to-face the progressively increasing demands and decreasing civility of the “needy”.

      153. After the altercation at the fence with the begging neighbor, I would have secured whatever I could outside, then take my family down to the bunker right away. I had a feeling that the guy would come back with more people.

        I think it’s best to tell no one that you have food. Ever since we started to prep, we have told no one at all, not even our children. My kids are around 9 years old and they are talkers.

      154. Ok – my review :). It’s a good thing to introduce the apartment dwellers and a few suburbanites. I admit I cheered when the whiny caviar and champagne snarfing couple got theirs. The elevator group was a good example also of people who really were caught in a bad place. The family about to have a baby was a real bad example. I don’t see a pregnant mother coming out of a bad car accident (and having no help) without major problems.

        The FEMA tent/camp was too nice and chances were low the dad would have been found. (How many other people on the board missing…) Dad was begging to die by leaving family alone and carrying just a tire iron; After the riots started. The single kid was a good example of how most teens will be – useless and stupid.

        The fact that it ended after 10 days was a gyp and wrong. If things get that bad, they aren’t coming back in a day, a month and maybe not a year. I wish they had made it over a longer period and checked back in every month or so.

        Yes, the prepper was somewhat dumb. Didn’t really prepare for people (just the event) didn’t think things through. Didn’t appear to really push his family to be involved in security. there seemed to be no training in the bunker use: the actors seemed to be stir crazy after one day? And I agree just a phone call wouldn’t have stopped the raiders; at that range the AK would have more than enough to free the prepper dad and allow the two to clear the yard. If you had threatened my life like that and I got loose, you wouldn’t walk away, power or no power. You did it once, you’ll do it again.

        My feeling is that it was a subtle (or not so subtle) piece of propaganda for the Fed. Yes we saw people taking care of themselves but those who had the foresight to prepare were not the most fortunate. An unlikely scenario.

        I’m using it to get my daughter to think about it: “Ok, no food, or you’re out, what’ll you do?” “go hunting” “really? and what about the other 250,000 people in town, won’t they think of that?” “Oh yeah. Hmmmm.” her next answer “Eat the cats!” “Uh no. Try again.” “I don’t know.” “Has whiskers, cats chase them ….” “Eww mice???” “It’s food. or do you know which insects are good for food?” …

      155. I think the best way to be secure it is to be in a group, not one family like the case they showed on this video. A neighborhood or family group with each person responsible for different tasks and males will be necessary. Surely more than one.

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