Democrats Vote To Give Illegal Immigrants The Right To Vote

by | Mar 8, 2019 | Headline News | 137 comments

This report was originally published by Tyler Durden at ZeroHedge.com

Update: House Democrats voted Friday to defend localities that allow illegal immigrants to vote in their elections, turning back a GOP attempt to discourage the practice. As The Washington Times reports, the vote marks a stunning reversal from just six months ago, when the chamber – then under GOP control – voted to decry illegal immigrant voting.

“We are prepared to open up the political process and let all of the people come in,” Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and hero of the civil rights movement, told colleagues as he led opposition to the GOP measure.

Texas Republican. Rep. Dan Crenshaw raged:

“It sounds like I’m making it up. What kind of government would cancel the vote of its own citizens, and replace it with noncitizens?”

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As we detailed earlier, using carefully chosen words in what appears an attempt to hide the truth, House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi admitted this week at a news conference on voting rights with Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) in Austin, Texas on Tuesday, that Democrats want illegal immigrants to be able to come into the nation freely, across their open borders, in order to rig elections for the Democrats.

As CNSnews.com reports, Speaker Pelosi spoke on the importance of passing H.R. 1, the “For the People Act of 2019,” “to lay the foundation to pass the Voting Rights Act, strengthened after the actions of the Supreme Court, which significantly weakened it,” she said.

Specifically, Pelosi said immigrants “make America more American,” and we should not be “suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America.”

“So, when we talk about newcomers, we have to recognize the constant reinvigoration of America that they are, that we all have been – our families,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

“And that, unless you’re blessed to be Native American – which is a blessing in itself that we respect – but that constant reinvigoration of hope, determination, optimism, courage, to make the future better for the next generation, those are American traits. And these newcomers make America more American. And we want them, when they come here, to be fully part of our system. And that means not suppressing the vote of our newcomers to America.”

She then quoted former President Reagan out of context to support her argument:

“In the campaign, the candidate that I, the president that I quoted the most was Ronald Reagan. Does that surprise you? Maybe. But Ronald Reagan said this: ‘This is the last speech I will make as President of the United States. And I have a message I want to communicate to the country I love.’ He went on to talk about the Statue of Liberty and what it means to the world – that beacon of hope, what it means to people who have come here and seen that statue welcoming them – he said, our ancestors, our grandparents, our parents.”

As President Trump’s son Donald Jr noted: “And there it is folks. What we all knew but no one would say. It’s only about votes for Democrats. “

Additionally, we note that friend-of-AOC, Rep. Ayanna Pressley may have outdone Pelosi with her latest stunt, an attempt to lower the federal voting age to 16.

“I am honored & excited to be introducing my very 1st amendment on the House floor, an amendment to #HR1, the #ForthePeopleAct. My amendment will lower the voting age from 18 to 16, allowing our youth to have a seat at the table of democracy. #16toVote,” she said.

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    137 Comments

    1. Anonymous

      and here I thought it was all a vast right wing conspiracy that immigrants are being shuffled into the United States for votes.

      • James

        I have been telling people this would happen for years! The dems should all be arrested for treason. This defies all common sense! Why don’t they form a delegation and go to Mexico City and sign us over to them. They probably would not want us because of 22 T debt.
        I am so glad that I am elderly and will not see the destruction of this nation. I grieve for my kids, you all and yours! God Bless, James

        • JustMe

          Ah, “elderly”. Glad you don’t have to watch America die. You grieve for your kids?

          Cowards and traitors are worse than the marxists and their parasitic owners.

          Your generation was told this was kind of BS was coming, and they scoffed.

          “That can’t happen here! This is America!”

          To all the “civic nationalists” out there: Do you get it yet? TINVOWOOT.

          • 0010101

            +JustMe–you said it right!

          • TharSheBlows

            The USA has turned into a glorified 3rd world country shithole, lawless and more than half of the members in congress want to destroy and unsurp the US Constitution. Yes we are more than ripe for a real revolution. Lots of blood spilled to preserve liberty. Got plenty of AMMO?

          • Genius

            Ya huh. Derrrrrrrrrrr. Fuckin idiots.

            • JustMe

              Yeah, got me pretty PO’d when I read that. Posted as calmly as possible. You got their American Dream, and are now dying off, after saying nothing as the marxists took right over from within…

              • JustMe

                Correction: They got their American Dream…

        • Dave

          We need to start with a tax revolt! Sons of Liberty / Boston tea party II. Flood the IRS with your refunds. If you owe, owe until things are right!

          • Dave

            Why the h-ll are we paying taxes! We’re paying for abortion, lgbtq, open borders and infinite other immoral things like war after war after war for the NWO! We have no idea what we are paying for!

            I had no idea that planned parenthood doesn’t pay rent, or get ridiculously low rent, in most cities. We are footing the bill for killing and milling babies. The left has pushed way over the line! Any other generation would have been at war by now.

            • Genius

              Shut up and pay your taxes serf! You don’t tell us what to do, WE TELL YOU! Got it? good…. Thats what they say not me lol.

            • ronna

              Until you ADOPT a couple of the unwanted babies SHUT THE FUCK UP! Some humans breed like rats and expect SOMEONE ELSE to pay for the consequences! Religious nut cases like this are responsible for the massive overpopulation that is causing most of the problems in the world today.

        • Norrak

          If they pass this, then it will be time for the shit to hit the fan in a big way! It’s on their agenda to destroy this Constitutional Republic any way possible. I and others may go down fighting, but will not just stand by and let it happen. Don’t fuck with the American people.

      • fozbotz

        More votes for demos.

      • laura ann

        Trump is not on our side, nlo borders, alllies about stopping the invaders (we are just like the E.U. being taken down) many will boycott the polls in 2020, instead they will lock and load realizing this country is trashing by the day in full throttle.

      • Al

        With elections, we get a choice between two or three people, of which are selected by the elites, bought and paid for and only doing the work of the elites.

        Why not have a lottery, a defined job criteria, at least we will have a level starting field.

        AL

    2. Justice

      A Nation without borders is NOT a Nation. We are sitting by and watching the greatest nation is history be destroyed without even a whimper. This is happening to every White Christian Western Country.

      This is and will forever be a stain on my conscience. I fully expect future generations to curse my name and desecrate my grave because this happened on my watch and I did nothing. I curse these NWO Globalists.

      Someone must have an idea of what we can do to stop this invasion of our country. Are the French better than us.

      • Menzoberranzan

        If there was a globalist around here for me to blow their brains out, I would. They are the ones pulling the strings. I foresee massive civil war where we all lose and this country becomes a third world shithole for good.

        • Justice

          Menzoberranzan, God help me but I feel the same way. The ONLY way to save this country is a civil war. However, I am still hoping for a peaceful divorce.

          We have got to stop this Democrat/Republican stuff. The only solution at this point is to separate from each other. Otherwise this could get really bad.

          • Menzoberranzan

            I wish we could separate and that itself would be bloody war over who gets what land. The good Lord will handle this, I just wish I could understand how. I’m on a war footing all the time now and it is stressful. I guess I need to have more faith.

          • JustMe

            “Peaceful divorce”?

            You really, actually believe that is possible? You’re dealing with marxists, not normal people. In their mind, you are already dead.

            How do you think you will “stop this Democrat/Republican stuff”? By “voting”?

            It’s over.

          • Son of patriot

            Secessions are what I’ve been arguing for and posting about for better than 10 years on the Patriot blogs. Of course it won’t be “peaceful”, on the D-I-V-O-R-C-E thing. And banning the Democrat/Marxist party, and population transfers, revolutionary councils, anti counter-revolutionary tribunals, they are all essential. Said theoretically of course, pure theoretics.

            You’ve heard of a “Hard Brexit”, we will have to have a “Hard Revolution”. The difference between a Revolution and a Civil War is who wins. If the British won in the 1770’s, they would have called it a “Civil War” or even degrade it to “Civil Disturbance” or even a “Insurrection”.

            • Genius

              If they can hold this shit off for say another 20 years there will be no civil war. The douche bags beneath us will cave right in and walla! We will be gone and the carnage will go on unabated. I really don’t give a rats ass because humanity has always done the same shit but the only thing is I feel bad for all the animals and life they will take down with themselves. Hell isn’t underground… it is being made for you, by you, before your very eyes! Have fun with that fools. When me and mine are gone, it’s all YOURS!

        • The Deplorable Renegade

          Menzo, same here. I dread it as much as anyone but civil war 2 is coming and there’s no stopping it now. The Dems and Repubs go the extra 1000 miles for foreigners here illegally but won’t do a damn thing for people like us.

          • Tired Hobby Farmer

            Well, they DO sponsor the killing of our unborn children….

            • Genius

              Meh, Vs. the hell they will live in anyway. Kinda like sending your kid to hell? Good job Butch! Whatever, I don’t give a fook. You made your bed… you and your kids will LAY IN IT! Have fun 🙂

          • Anonymous

            “Civil War 2 is coming and there’s no stopping it now.”

            Maybe..Maybe not..
            As long as the public has something to lose cooler heads will prevail.
            It’s when the public has NOTHING to lose and everything to gain,we’ll see SHTF.

        • Heartless

          M, I’m with you. As are quite a few others people I know. Like you, we’re all waiting for the flag to fall like @ a drag-race. In this case, it may be our American flag. There really is no longer any viable solution besides another civil war. It is the only way. Any and all can critique away at me – just tell me then if you do…. what else will work? Words? Votes? Some noble concept of right versus wrong? Yeah, right.

          • Menzoberranzan

            I’m really glad that there are patriots like y’all. Some of these evil bastards are gonna get their asses handed to them before it’s over.

          • repr sleepr

            Well like they say…if the ballot box don’t work then you go to the bullet box.

            • Sgt. Dale

              “R S”
              Just added to my Bullet boxes 300 more 6.8MM Starting tomorrow on 300 more 223’s. Have 1000 9MM ready to load, and 200 more 450 Bushmasters. Now is the time to add to all of your stuff. I keep saying this over and over again here, because when the Demorats take over again it will be too FRIGGING late.

              I use the Ballot box every time I can, but that is getting me no where.
              Sgt.

              • Sheep Dog

                You may need to place another order…

              • Anonymous

                Know the feeling on the voting issue. Seems pretty much a wasted time.

                • TharSheBlows

                  Not so fast, we got Trump Elected by voting. Once in a while voting works great. Thank you Wisconsin, Michigan, and Penn for your 2016 Support.

        • TheGuy

          A massive civil war quickly devolves into a massive international war. If you were China, would you be content to sit idly by and place bets on who gets control of the nuclear football in the end?

          See this isn’t going to be “bad” like James Cameron’s Aliens was to the original Alien. This is going to be like Prometheus levels of bad.

          Unpredictable, unexpected, highly nonsensical, and everyone dies in nasty ways. Literally like nothing you’ve ever seen before or would want to. It’s going to be like finding disembodied internal organs sitting in an Andy Gump. Giant “wtf / oh shit” moment.

      • Justice

        I just want to clarify that I am just, I cannot find the words to express how I feel, that this is happening. I accept that I am just one man and I’m powerless to stop what is happening.

        The Globalists have been working/plotting/planning/conniving/scheming for this for a long time. They are going to have world government by choice or by force.

        I have to remember that I pray that God’s will be done and I have to accept that the NWO will usher in the Anti-Christ and that is God’s will. Because that will necessitate Jesus’s return. Which is really all I should be concerned/focused on.

        If I’m not mistaken, I remember hearing something about God’s will being hard/difficult. It’s extremely difficult to see the nation and culture I loved being systematically destroyed.

        Sorry for the rant!

        • Menzberranzan

          You are not alone in those feelings and beliefs brother. No matter what, I will not surrender to them though. Sometimes force is completely justified. I refuse to go along with evil.

        • Nailbanger

          Justice
          See, thats the thing, in order to govern, the people need to concent to being governed, i would rather sit patiently and piss in their bowl of cheerios when they try,,,,

        • rellik

          Justice,
          Good comment, I don’t think it was a rant.
          I want to RANT! However this is a public forum
          and it is unwise to state any fantasies
          or what you want to do. I’ll carry on,
          as is, and passively,aggressively oppose
          any government action.
          I will continue to plan and prep.

          ,

        • Old Guy

          The white race is at the very same crossroads that the native americans we during the latter half of the 1800’s some (good) Indians attempted to appease their invaders by peace treaties. other (bad) Indians tried to kill every white person the could. and it ended just as bad for the (good) Indians as the (bad) ones. Only the Seminole where able to prevail against the invading white men. however this time its different the government and interlopers and commie socialist cannot function & survive without the electric grid. The grid is vunerable. Its impossible to protect.The question is are there enough ready willing and able vandals?

          • rellik

            OG,
            “The grid is vunerable. Its impossible to protect.The question is are there enough ready willing and able vandals?”
            I suspect, if it were that easy for a small radical group to do, it would have been done by now. Our major enemies know the worst enemy we have is Democrats, the majority of the country, will destroy the society, all someone has to do it wait it out,
            and clean up the mess.

          • Road Warrior

            Its like one of those old Science Fiction movies or the old joke where the bathroom is filling up with water and there is only a few inches of air left to breath at the ceiling. “Oh no, the evil robot/computer has taken over and is controlling everything.” “What do we do?” Answer. PULL THE PLUG.

        • JustMe

          On your knees.

          • Genius

            99.5% of the population lives on it’s knees….. They just don’t want to admit it.

            • JustMe

              Agreed.

        • Carri

          Amen.

      • Deplorable ruski

        It’s simple .. form a mob and toss them out of congress and have them executed ghaddafi style if they refuse that way there is no single perpetrator that it was the will of the people

      • laura ann

        Justice: Trump has NOT kept his promises and will lose support from now on. Will he veto this or not??

        • JustMe

          I’d wager not, or if so, something like it will pass anyway.

        • TheGuy

          What do you mean? I’m confused. I may, admittedly, not be paying attention here so I’m open to finding out what I’m missing in this picture.

          If you mean the tariff thing… realize something, you don’t go into a fight when you have dysentery. Recessions occur in 10 year cycles. I have no idea WHY but I’ve seen it happen 3 times now, it’s going to happen. Literally any second now. Do you really want to be fighting a trade war at the same time? You’ll make it 3 times worse.

          You’ve seen how great the tariffs have been at taking apart the US farming industry so far.

          Do they need to happen? HELL YES. Do they need to happen RIGHT NOW? Uh. I mean… what’s your pain tolerance because let me tell ya this would really… really… suck RIGHT THIS MOMENT.

          I think he’s waiting until he can fight from a position of strength. That’s my take.

          If it’s not the tariffs I have no idea what it is, I must be missing something here.

      • Anonymous

        So true. The older generation did give us all of this crap by doing nothing. But future generations will curse us if we do nothing as well.

        It’s a nation that lost it’s religion, without guiding principles, there is no guidance, no principles. Now the average immigrant is a brutal ineducated foreigner raised in socialism. They all vote socialist. When THEY get in the majority THEY will vote to strip us of rights and property like locusts. The Democrats are already mouthing the hate of us to align the minds of their shock troops.

        What you’re gonna see here when SHTF is Blue Helmets intervening, mostly very brutal congolese, mongolians, assorted stone-age foreigners riding up and down our streets, to the delight of democrats. Most of them will never go home once they get here. Would you go back to a mud hut vilage?

        Any collapse or Civ WII here will bring the UN in and the hordes. What those few who warned us of, and the old gen denounced, is coming to pass in spades, with a veangence.

    3. oUCH

      If anyone had any doubts whatsoever.. those should be gone now. The Democratic Party has openly become the enemy of the Republic and of the rights of every American citizen.

    4. repr sleepr

      I’d like to say quite a few things regarding those who have done this but then I’d more than likely be in a different place tomorrow.

    5. JJ

      Trump needs to have the military “arrest” all the dems that voted for this for Treason. Indict, convict, and then execute them all.!!!!!

    6. Dave

      “Our democracy “….I could have sworn we were a Republic. Huge difference. Let the youth vote?, really?!, ask your 16 year old if they would rather eat healthy and go to bed at a reasonable hour or stay up all night playing video games and eating junk food. Our founders knew better about the dangers of immaturity in politics. This is a dangerous precedent being set.

      • Mountain Trekker

        Dave one of many mistakes was even lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. Eighteen year old youths have had very few life experiences. So they are not good at making choices when it comes to what is best for the country. Trekker Out.

    7. Philosopher Deplorabilis

      This is complete and utter insanity on the part of the communist left.

      They have shown their hand now: they hate the US and their plan is to completely destroy this once, fine country.

      Remember their chant: no border, no wall, no USA at all. These are Saul Alinsky tactics. Overwhelm the system, collapse welfare.

      Get ready. The commies want a revolution? Well they may very well get one as CW2.

    8. Honeypot

      A private company could go to the border and begin putting up walls, fences, and appropriate barriers across the Southern end of properties near the border. This would force those who cross to do so between, making it easier to patrol those coming in. There would certainly be many financial allies willing to donate to the cause. If and when a wall or fence is ever erected it would still help those living at the border and those engaged in patrol. Competition might even make border walls a profitable venture.

      .

      • Honeypot

        People want to start a civil war, but they don’t have the energy or the determination to just go down and work with the families at the epicenter of the crisis. Brick and mortar stores might be coming down, but brick and mortar walls can and should be going up (or cement).

        .

        • rellik

          HP,
          The American Civil war has already started.
          For that matter WW III has been
          going on for some time.
          Don’t assume these 2 wars will be
          fought the same as the last.
          That is a classic way to fail.

          • Anonymous

            Spot on, rellik.

          • Yahooie

            A few others have noted the same thing. Just because there isn’t lead in the air doesn’t mean things are okay. Even during a hot war, plenty of things take place in boardrooms and bedrooms (and more) for obtaining intelligence.

    9. Ce500dog

      Do you think they will vote to make them eligible for the draft too?

    10. Old Guy

      This just like the house gun bill that will never make it thru the senate. and Trump will never sign it. However We don’t need a civil war. All we need is a culling. And If the electric grid was taken down the culling would happen very fast. Vandals could destroy the electric and phone lines very easily and never get caught. The parasite culls would go bonkers without their internet cell phones and electricity. And in a few months 90% would be gone. There are culls on both sides. Politics is a dog & pony show. There isn’t now and never will be a viable political or ballot box solution. And there will never be a 1860,s stile civil war. Possibly ethnic cleansing and race war but no war between the left & right.

    11. adopted foster

      Legal age to vote should be raised to 25. It’s not till then that the brain has completely developed and can really comprehend long term results. Sure, some can before then, but majority can’t. Since politicians and laws make long term effects don’t have kids making the decisions.

      • Babycatcher

        Amen. I totally agree. And if Uncle Sam hadn’t needed cannon fodder for Vietnam, the voting age might still be 21. 😟

      • TheGuy

        Talked to many 25 year olds lately? LOL… brain fully formed yeah nice theory you got there.

        I’m thinking more 35…

    12. Anonymous

      lots of talk about civil war and why its necessary but no one ever actually does anything. blah blah blah

      • rellik

        Dude, I’m fighting the war. Using 4GW tactics.

      • Beowulf

        @ Anon, I hate to see you belittle what these men say on this site. The Dems. mean to get rid of white Christian people. In every Fourth turning there has been a war to the death. It is called total war. The side that looses are starving. It won’t start untill there is a catalyst and we have nothing left to loose. One side will be totally defeated. These men are speaking from righteous anger and dismay. Country boys can survive.

    13. Anonymous

      Good now where can have real collusion by flying in a bunch of Russians to vote in are elections
      This country is fuced

    14. CPB

      The four boxes of liberty is an idea that proposes: “There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order.” SEEMS TO ME, THERES ONE LEFT….

    15. Asshat

      I was listenening to NPR this morning. I can only tolerate it for about a half hour but I like to hear what the demons are up to. Well they were kicking around the idea of 16 year olds voting. They were taking callers on the air. A guy called in and said the democrats want this to get votes and the shows host said that is rediculous and insulting. He said if your against it make your point as in your not for it cus 16 year old kids don’t know anything about politics or something like that. The guy did make a valid point that the democrats know it will give them another voting base. Kids are the easiest to sell the socialist utopian dream to with the magic word free. The shows host said if they work and pay taxes they should be able to vote. I’d buy that but how many 16 year olds hold employment not many. We certainly can’t grant all of them the right to vote cus of the few working teens. My opinion is it’s a bad idea. Cus the demons know how to leverage it to their benefit cus the kids are already indoctrinated from the school. They should make voting base on if you work. I can’t vote on contracts if my dues aren’t paid up. Which means you have to work. It should be the same for elections. Why should some free loading welfare get to vote when they don’t pay taxes. It’s in their interest to vote for the free shit party. There are more unemployed welfare cases than working people. So that makes the working peoples vote not matter.

      • Yahooie

        “show’s host said if they work and pay taxes they should be able to vote.”

        A similar line of reasoning was used to lower it to age 18. The line was if they can be sent off to war, then they should be able to vote. (The draft was still in effect.)

        In colonial times, voting was usually white, male property holders of age 21. Occasionally females were granted voting rights such as a widow having no other representation of the family but she must be a property holder and of age.

        Property ownership whether a house or a large business puts things in a much different perspective than someone who merely rents a space or has it rented for them (free crap army).

        • Asshat

          True property ownership changes things significantly. But the demons would argue this puts the majority of people at a disadvantage. The taxes on a property are rolled into the rent but the landlord is the tax payer. However section 8 tenets get free apartments so they shouldn’t be able to vote imo. If you live for free on everyone’s back you shouldn’t get to vote period. They should have no say where tax dollars are spent. The radio host also said that the 16 year olds should get to vote on school committee matters. I disagree with this. Because this gains access to $ that is tax payer provided. They could vote more $ for sports and less for vocational training or something like that. Or grant teachers greater access to funds which could be misused. 16 year olds have atleast 10 years of indoctrination by schools.

    16. Sgt. Dale

      Hell Demorats have been using dead people for years, why not let the scum vote. (NOT)
      They can’t win an election any other way.

      If I was Trump I would address the nation on April 1St, and tell All patriots to arm yourself to the teeth. For tomorrow I’m pulling all National guard off the southern boarder Opening up all entrances on the southern boarder to let all illegal aliens into the USA, because he wants to give the Demorats their wish to let them all in. Then I would Tell all true Patriots there is no Waiting period for firearm or ammo, All people with misdemeanor charges that stops them from having firearms is now lifted, No more 4473 form to make out and you can buy Full Auto and silencers you want with no extra taxes. This to Please all the Patriots in the country.

      Then at the end of the address I would say April Fool!!!!!! Then I would tell the Demorat that if they get their will this is what all the Patriots will be doing so if you want a Civil war open the boarders.
      Sgt.

    17. jakartaman

      ” And you don’t believe we are on the eve of destruction”
      Liberalism is going to be be death of Western Civilization.
      De-population is scheduled for 2028
      Elite takeover is scheduled for 2034

    18. Rock Roller

      It’s just really disheartening and revolting to watch these DemonRats destroy whats left of this used to be republic, so the globalists can make even more money picking the carcass clean. Every last one of those rat bastards should be hung for treason, yet nobody does a damn thing about anything. Beginning to wonder about Trump, all he’d have to do is give the word and send in the Marines or even patriots to haul their sorry ass’s off to Gitmo, yet again, nothing ever happens and the treasonous scum drags us all down while the Killerys,Feinstein’s, Obamas,and their ilk do business as usual with impunity.

    19. southside

      I have no doubt that a bunch of lib cities and localities WILL let illegals vote. The 2020 presidential election is gonna be a barn burner,pun intended. Tucson Democratic Party voted today to make Tucson a sanctuary city. All they need is 9300 signatures on a petition to get it on the July ballot.

      • Glacialhills

        I have no doubt that a bunch of lib cities and localities have for the past 12 years let illegals vote.

        There, fixed your fine statement. Anywhere liberals are in charge, and lib populations are large, that someone has actually looked, they have found massive fraud, including illegal alien voters…did we actually think that giving illegal aliens drivers licenses in motor voter states would just be for safety and insurance and not be abused to illegally vote?

    20. southside

      Can someone tell me why I have to keep putting my name and mail everytime I post? It used to be there all the time but now I have to put my handle and e mail in. What happened? One other thing….the GOP tried to discourage illegals voting in the past…… What the hell does that mean,it’s illegal to begin with. What a bunch of f#[email protected]% pussies !!

      • BlackMoe

        Because Mac is tracking all posters on this site for the Feds.

        • Jim in Va.

          ….and you are posting here because….?

    21. bb in GA

      The latest CW scenario I have seen is centered around the 2020 Presidential Election…

      Repeat of 2016 where Mr T gets the required 270+ Electoral Votes but the D candidate (maybe even plus the I candidate) gets millions more than the President in the Popular vote.

      Flashback nobody talks about: Pres Clinton rec’d 43% of the popular vote in 1992 and 49% in 1996. If Mr T is illegitimate, so was Miz Hillary’s ‘better’ half 🙂 twice !!

      This is especially complicated by the Popular Vote Compact that is being voted on (I think they have about 170 EV in the States that have approved it) If that Compact gets passed by enough States before 2020 that could help stir the pot.

      The Left will say that Mr T is not the duly elected Pres and the Rs will say, WtH, Trump won by the Constitutional Rules.

      If the Compact Legislation is in effect and tested, then the SCOTUS has to be involved. That will ramp things up even further, because the composition of the Court is illegitimate ’cause Trump…and the Rs stole Merrick Garland’s seat from Obama and Kavanaugh is a molester etc etc, etc

      Really that would be history rhyming a little if it happens because Secession (and the resulting War) was proximate to the Election of Mr Lincoln.

      <bb

      • Yahooie

        Yup. Fasten your seat-belts.

        • Genius

          Lincoln was killed waaay to late. That POS should have been an abortion!

      • Son of patriot

        Great post, good scenarios.

    22. ANGRY FROG

      Why am I not surprised, and you should not be either.
      That is why they are here for.

      I wonder if they will join some sort of Army here like the immigrants that were coming off the the boats in 1861-65 fight for us and get your citizenship.

    23. Dave

      Trump should. Trump needs to. I think it is time to give up on Trump, he was sucked down a swamp vortex. The ac and the deep state have him now.

      • nam marine

        BULL !

    24. Seminole Wind

      COMING CIVIL WAR
      I got thrown off the American Thinker site 7 years ago for suggesting we were heading towards a 2nd CW. Last week they had 3 different article proclaiming the same.

      Military. Asymmetrical, Ground, Army (MAGA)
      Nick Name: “The Deplorables”
      Standard weapons: 30 caliber bolt action scoped rifles, AR-15’s, Glock 19 pistol.
      Standard Uniform: Mossy Oak camo
      Motto: Don’t tread on me/ Come and get them!
      Standing Order: Retreat? Hell!
      Flag: Stars and Strips
      Battle Cry: Wolverines!

      • Seminole Wind

        2nd standing order , Git R Done
        3nd standing order, Watch out fur dem hogs!

      • Son of patriot

        It’s amazing to see the evolution of thinking of some people. Glenn Beck at one time excoriated the tea party, then a few years later he claimed he WAS the Tea Party. Rush Limbaugh nowadays sounds like us in every way, 10 years ago he was more of a neo con. Hannity is now so radical he is skirting Fox’s patience. It’s probably why they’re grooming Tucker, to replace Hannity. O’Reilly got really got booted when he “evolved” to the right.

        It’s good to see all of that ‘Evolving’, though.

        I was booted off of Infowars, for being too radical. I’m not mad at them and still read their site. I guess that’s kind of a badge, right? Great Post.

    25. Jim in Va.

      Aim small, miss small.

      • Sgt. Dale

        Jim
        I just saw what S.W. had wrote. I was thinking the same thing. Aim Small Miss Small.
        Great minds think alike.
        Been adding a lot of stuff to my collection, because I believe Trump is the last Prez, if the Demorats gets in to all three branches, and that is when CW2 starts. The real shooting CW.
        Sgt.

    26. Abaddon

      It is just hard to believe that any citizen of this country with a brain cannot see the absolute insanity of this. What could possibly go wrong? We need a TEOTWAWKI event so we can then use it as a facilitator to rid ourselves of these deranged leftist/socialists once and for all. Then rebuild afterward.

    27. Seminole Wind

      I don’t know how to post this, but if anyone who could, the utube video of Billy Joel’s song “Saigon Nights” would be a big morale boost.

      “We said that we would all go down together” !

      • Seminole Wind

        My mistake, “Goodnight Saigon” is the song’s title.

        Red Dawn is happening here, NOW! Time to trade your balls in for brass ones boys.

    28. Kevin2

      If an American citizen is allowed to vote and can cast an absentee ballot it is completely logical to afford an illegal alien the same right. You cannot exclude anyone entitled to vote and therefore cannot apply separate restrictions. The ‘logic”, regardless if illogical, must be equally applied. As we know, Pelosi said immigrants “make America more American”. This same train of “thought” facilitates the individual to legally identify with whatever gender at the time fits them.

    29. Sheep Dog

      Treasonous bastards

    30. nam marine

      This is pure B.S. !!!!! Someone needs to stop these damn Communist traitors !

      • Seminole Wind

        Someone? It’s us bro, we’ll all go down together!

    31. mine not yours

      Lets just give EVERYONE in the world the right to vote for an American POTUS….

      • Kevin2

        mine not yours

        Exactly……..the globalist goal. Like the abortion issue the gradualism becomes “post birth abortion” (codified murder for short).

    32. Brian

      The same party of idiots that profess concern that Russia might have fixed the last presidential election now want Mexico and Latin America to interfere in every American election through their citizens who are in this country illegally! I suppose it is illogical to expect reason from this same party.

    33. Mr. Sean

      Why do we have to use misleading language to talk about politics?
      I really hope y’all ain’t falling for this. As I’ve said many times before: be a DISCRIMINATING consumer of information or you WON’T survive when SHTF.

    34. Angry Beaver

      Does this mean that Albertans can jump the border and vote for President Donald J. Trump? Is Idaho or Montana liberal?

      • Sgt. Dale

        Please do!!!

      • Montana Guy

        Relik, Montana is overall conservative. Hope lies in a new republic(s) with new borders when Lincoln’s republic falls. We have significant enemy-held counties including Missoula County, where the city of Missoula is located, Gallatin County, where Bozeman (Marxist academia-ridden) is located. They will have to be deported. We have a significant number of Native Americans largely in Big Horn County and Glacier County. Most have many addictions. They need to move out along with their enablers or become 100% self-reliant.

        Those in Alberta, BC and Alaska need to think new republic(s) with new borders. I’ve met many Albertans who come down to shop. I hope that we would be in the same tribe. KYPD.

      • Mr. Sean

        No, it doesn’t.

      • Genius

        AB, YES Idaho and MONTANA ARE LIBERAL! These god damned califorinians have fled to all the surrounding states and fucked them up beyond belief! All the people here that are easterners have NO CLUE how bad it really is! Starting in about 1990 the hoards of assholes from CA started moving in on cheap property in outlying states to retire and brought their commie idiology with them! Maede it so local people couldn’t afford a house because these assholes were buying them up and driving prices up with it. Then came voting time and the assholes vote for california shit! I wish they were all deported! Fuck them and their shit, they need to make it a death penalty to move out of that state! STAY THERE IN YOUR BED OF SHIT AND DIE ASSHOLES! Many, many , many people here feel exactly the same!

        • odd ball

          Basic reason for leaving- escape from the mexicans.

          regulations choking business. . .

          Cali is under not commie control but chewich control

          2 fem senators of chewich persuasion [feinstein/boxer]

          look up proposition 187. . .to deny bennies to illegals- overturned by chew judge mariana pfaelzer

          the prob is washington not sacramento. . . .I mean (((new york))) not washington. . .

    35. Zap

      I want to run the concentration camps,I have studied the WWII German ones,in detail.😁

    36. Seminole Wind

      Please know this, in CW2, which is already happening in various ways in various places, we are not the Rebs. We are the good people trying to preserve the Republic!

      Freedom vs Tyranny, death vs life, rule of law vs one political party’s crazy agenda.

      Good men and woman of SHTF Plan, will we pledge to fight all enemies of the Constitution , both foreigner and DOMESTIC ?!!!!

    37. Son of patriot

      So true. The older generation did give us all of this crap by doing nothing. But future generations will curse us if we do nothing as well.

      It’s a nation that lost it’s religion, without guiding principles, there is no guidance, no principles. Now the average immigrant is a brutal ineducated foreigner raised in socialism. They all vote socialist. When THEY get in the majority THEY will vote to strip us of rights and property like locusts. The Democrats are already mouthing the hate of us to align the minds of their shock troops.

      What you’re gonna see here when SHTF is Blue Helmets intervening, mostly very brutal congolese, mongolians, assorted stone-age foreigners riding up and down our streets, to the delight of democrats. Most of them will never go home once they get here. Would you go back to a mud hut vilage?

      Any collapse or Civ WII here will bring the UN in and the hordes. What those few who warned us of, and the old gen denounced, is coming to pass in spades, with a veangence.

    38. Old Guy

      I see posters trying to place blame on a certain generation or a certain race or certain political party ect. and that isn’t factual its simply not true. The root cause is our nation is well over 200 years old. and we began to decline right at the 200 year mark. Now over 4 decades later we have overeducated idiots in political power and they hired the same college degree dumb asses to work government jobs. The parasites are running the country. and the working producers can no longer be Robbed (taxed & fined) enough to fund these brainwashed college degree parasite takers. The root problem is too many takers and too few makers. That is socialism. those commies actually believe in the Fair Share concept.

      • Genius

        I am willing to share my ammo! 😛

      • rellik

        OG, This is a test on latency for Hawaii posts now that you mainland guys are on DST.
        I wouldn’t call the idiots in power over educated, without defining your constraints. STEM educations are useful to society. BA degrees may be, “studies” types of degrees certainly aren’t.
        Producers are what fuels society. Problem is we have gotten so efficient that we don’t need the levels of labor that societies used to require. So we have a lot of people that really are useless and we have to accommodate them. The trick will be to make the non-producers all think they are the boss and we producers go off and do our thing. At a chosen time we pull the plug on them.
        Aren’t you glad I’m not king of the Earth?
        Aloha.

        • Old Guy

          We have gotten so efficient we don’t need the levels of production we used to require. That is a valid point. However if for whatever reason the Electric grid went down. That would no longer be the case. I resent having to acccomidate parasites. Most college degree folks think they are soo much smarter than every one else. When in fact even if they do have a High IQ. They are ate up with the Dumb ASS. The have very little Know HOW and almost no Self Reliance. Those kind of folks brough down Rome and countless other nations. The USA will be no exception.

          • rellik

            OG,
            I have a stem degree and I can build you a boat from scratch out of a pile of wood and then sail that boat around the world.
            I am not unique, be wise to shrink that brush of yours.

        • Kevin2

          rellik

          “So we have a lot of people that really are useless and we have to accommodate them.”

          You’re right on the money.

          Our system of government, generally used in the developed world affords them a voice. As productive efficiency increases their numbers likewise increase. It’s likely that we’re just on the cusp of this. This is not hypothetical it’s actual. The question becomes what will be its impact upon society?

          Short Term:

          1. An increasing welfare state.
          2. Increasing population and as, “Idle time is the devils play”, social disorder.
          3. Population control coming from NGO / Social Manipulation and government in the developed world

          Long Term:

          1. Either a complete reorganizing of global society making money largely obsolete in some “Star Trek” type future along with voluntary compliance.

          OR

          2. A great culling using bio-viral followed by (or in conjunction with) a dystopian Orwellian authoritarian future.

          I’ve generally been one to see the glass as half empty. I can’t imagine those in real power opting for #1.

      • odd ball

        The problem behind all problems is the fake money.

        John Maynard Keynes:

        “Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose.”

        ~ John Maynard Keynes
        (1883-1946) British “economist”

    39. Doppler

      “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

      Theodore Roosevelt 1907

      • Kevin2

        The abundance of dual citizenship of people within the US government tends to conflict with President Theodore’s valid statement. If it was broad based across many nations you can be simultaneously surprised but not necessarily concerned. When so many have a citizenship with one specific nation, in this case Israel, that is at the center of so much controversy the concern certainly increases. This is not Anti Semitic; it’s just stating a fact.

        I haven’t validated the accuracy of the below. I’m not sure if other nations have such an issue.

        Here is a list of US politicians who have dual US/Israeli citizenship. Note the head banking and policy advising positions.

        OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
        Jack Lew – Chief of Staff to the President; Treasury Secretary
        David Plouffe – Senior Advisor to the President
        Danielle Borrin – Associate Director, Office of Public Engagement; Special Assistant to the Vice President
        Gary Gensler – Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission
        Dan Shapiro – Ambassador to Israel
        Gene Sperling – Director National Economic Council
        Mary Schapiro – Chairwoman of the Securities and Exchange Commission
        Steven Simon – Head of Middle East/North Africa Desk at the National Security Council
        Eric Lynn – Middle East Policy Advisor

        PAST OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
        Rahm Emanuel (2009-2010) Chief of Staff to the President
        David Axelrod (2009-2011) Senior Advisor to the President
        Elena Kagan (2009-2010) Solicitor General of the United States
        Peter Orszag (2009-2010) Director of the Office of Management and Budget
        Lawrence Summers (’09-’11) Director National Economic Council
        Mona Sutphen (2009-2011) Deputy White House Chief of Staff
        James B. Steinberg (’09-’11 ) Deputy Secretary of State
        Dennis Ross (2009-2011 ) Special Assistant to the President, Senior Director for the Central Region to the Secretary of State
        Ronald Klain (2009-2011) Chief of Staff to the Vice President
        Jared Bernstein (2009-2011) Chief Economist and Economic Policy Advisor to the Vice President
        Susan Sher (2009-2011) Chief of Staff to the First Lady
        Lee Feinstein (2009) Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor
        Mara Rudman (2009) Foreign Policy Advisor Sources: White House

        THE US SENATE

        Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)

        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
        Gary Ackerman (D-NY) Shelley Berkley (D-NV) Howard Berman (D-CA) Eric Cantor (R-VA) David Cicilline (D-RI) Stephen Cohen (D-TN) Susan Davis (D-CA) Ted Deutch (D-FL) Eliot Engel (D-NY) Bob Filner (D-CA) Barney Frank (D-MA) Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) Jane Harman (D-CA) Steve Israel (D-NY) Sander Levin (D-MI) Nita Lowey (D-NY) Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) Jared Polis (D-CO) Steve Rothman (D-NJ) Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) Allyson Schwartz (D-PA) Adam Schiff (D-CA) Brad Sherman (D-CA) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) Henry Waxman (D-CA) Anthony Weiner (D-NY) John Yarmuth (D-KY)

        • TharSheBlows

          The above List will be first in line, at the Firing Squat for Treason.

          • Kevin2

            Being far less violent I just wish they would only allow one citizenship. It’s like bisexuality; you either are or aren’t gay. Andrew Dice Clay said it a tad more eloquently.

    40. Son of patriot

      Secessions are what I’ve been arguing for and posting about for better than 10 years on the Patriot blogs. Of course it won’t be “peaceful”, on the D-I-V-O-R-C-E thing. And banning the Democrat/Marxist party, and population transfers, revolutionary councils, anti counter-revolutionary tribunals, they are all essential. Said theoretically of course, pure theoretics.

      You’ve heard of a “Hard Brexit”, we will have to have a “Hard Revolution”. The difference between a Revolution and a Civil War is who wins. If the British won in the 1770’s, they would have called it a “Civil War” or even degrade it to “Civil Disturbance” or even a “Insurrection”.

    41. Just Wondering

      Living The American Dream…White Male working hard so others don’t have too.

      Welfare, Food Stamps, Free Medical the great DemoRat Dream.

    42. Seminole Wind

      Will we all go down together? …or will we all stand on our feet and not live on our knees?

    43. Seminole Wind

      Group up with people you trust, practice together, get in shape, sharpen your skills.

      Maybe it’s guys that you work with, go to church with, neighbors? Neighborhood defense forces seems like a good idea.

    44. TheGuy

      They just wiped their ass with the law and smiled and bent you over like they have every right. This is a blatant power grab, nothing less.

      They wiped. Their ass. With the law. Period.

      What is it going to take.

    45. TheGuy

      And lower the age to 16. Yeah. That figures.

      I think I’ll submit a request to allow the dead to vote.

      • Jim

        To late, the dead already vote.

    46. Seminole Wind

      Form small groups, don’t go looking for trouble but be ready for it when it comes.
      FYI, if you think that this is all some silly fantasy , there are a number of Sheriffs in a number of states resisting gun laws and risking their professions, careers, families and who knows what? 21 in Commie New Mexico alone. Check it out, I am not making this up.

      Now, y’all Patriots, what out fur dem hogs!

    47. nam marine

      What a crock of pure Bull !!!

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