Death Blow: Supreme Court To Rule On Affordable Care Act: “Would Utterly Devastate Obamacare”

by | Nov 8, 2014 | Headline News | 460 comments

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Though a 2012 Supreme Court ruling upheld Obamacare as a legal tax on the American people, the nation’s highest court is preparing to hear arguments on the Federalized health care legislation once again.

The latest case targeting the Affordable Care Act focuses on the subsidies that were supposed to be given to Americans who signed up for the plans, but because numerous states refused to set up their own exchanges the subsidies now fall on the federal government, something that was not authorized under the original legislation and is therefore, according to opponents of Obamacare, illegal.

At issue in this case is the legality of subsidies offered to help millions of low- and middle-income people buy health insurance. Opponents argue that most of the subsidies are illegal.

“The plain language of the law makes it clear that subsidies are only to be provided for the purchase of health coverage through exchanges setup by the states,” Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said in a statement. “Nevertheless, the Obama administration and others are asking the courts to disregard the letter of the law and instead rule based on bureaucratic rewrites and revisions.” (Fox News)

Though just a technicality, it’s a big one. There are tens of billions of dollars involved and with a Republican run Congress soon to take over any possible amendments to the law are unlikely.

This doesn’t bode well for the Affordable Care Act, because a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs will essentially deal a death blow to the entire law.

President Barack Obama’s administration maintains this argument is baseless and that Congress always intended these subsidies to be available nationwide.

A ruling in favor of the plaintiffs in this lawsuit, King v. Burwell, would utterly devastate Obamacare.

The chief aim of the law is to expand health insurance coverage and offer financial assistance to families that can’t afford it. Since most states declined to set up their own health insurance exchanges, the federal government was left to set them up instead. As a result, more than two-thirds of the people who had signed up for health insurance of April 30 purchased their insurance from a federal exchange. Among all enrollees, 85 percent received subsidies to help pay for it — that’s almost 5 million people. The average value of these tax credits was $264 a month, which represents a discount off the sticker price of more than three-quarters. (Huffington Post)

What’s at stake is that the five million Americans who depend on the subsidies in order to have health care stand to have their full rates re-instituted because their subsidies have been given to them without any legal basis.

And while the Obama administration claims that Congress always intended to make these subsidies available to everyone, Congress failed to detail this very important item within the law itself.

Should the Supreme Court rule against federal Obamacare subsidies the Affordable Care Act would fall apart almost instantly, as five million low-income Americans would see their health premiums jump nearly $3000 per year, making it too costly for just about everyone who depends on the subsidies.

Obamacare, it seems, is now under serious threat of being completely destroyed.

The argument from opponents of the legislation boils down to one single point: why should middle- and high-income earners be responsible for covering the health care costs of others? While low-income families have experienced significant cuts in their premiums, and in some cases even free health care, middle-class Americans have seen their rates triple or even quadruple.

The arguments for and against are summed up succinctly by two commentators at the Huffington Post:

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Obamacare was sold to the American public as an Act that would provide affordable insurance to all. In that regard it has been an abject failure. While many Americans have, in fact, seen their premiums cut to affordable levels, millions of others have been left without healthcare because the government says they make too much money. Moreover, millions of younger Americans have opted out of the healthcare option altogether and prefer to pay the associated tax penalties instead.

This has left a massive fiscal black hole, something the Obama administration didn’t see coming because they assumed everyone would want to pay twice as much as they did before for inferior health care. In fact, the problem is so serious that Obamacare will likely collapse in on itself with or without the Supreme Court’s ruling:

The whole idea is predicated on the notion that you can indefinitely take from Peter to pay Paul.

But eventually Peter is going to run out of money and not be able to foot the bill, or he’ll simply refuse to buy into the scheme altogether.

Like everything else government, the new health care initiative will be a complete and utter failure.

The basic principles of mathematics will prove this to be true in coming months and years.

As Denninger notes, America will be “strangled and expire economically as a direct consequence” of the marriage of the State and Health Care industry.

Source: The Coming Instantaneous Collapse of Obamacare Services

Obamacare, it seems, is doomed to failure one way or the other. With the threat of subsidies being taken away the legislation would likely collapse in the next few months and Americans may be spared the impoverishment that is sure to come with incredibly high health insurance premiums and taxes.

If the Supreme Court rules against the illegal federal subsidies, then the move could well deal a death blow to one of the most massive socialized actions in American history.

Good riddance. The ruling can’t come soon enough.

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    1. PC SUX

      Let it die…..before it kills us. Then attack the myriad of other odious laws that cripple freedom and individual prosperity. I don’t have much hope for that however….

      • admin

        I know what you mean. When Obamacare was under the gun two years ago I really thought there was a chance they would strike it down.

        How can you force someone to buy something? That’s in essence what Obamacare is. And it’s done at the barrel of a gun.

        And lo and behold the Chief Justice, a Republican appointee, was the swing vote.

        They justified it as a tax.

        Something fishy there to be sure. At that point the Supreme Court lost any shred of credibility they had left.

        So, yes, while I do hope they kill it before it kills us, I am not holding my breath.

        • BJ

          I lost all confidence in the SCOTUS to do the right thing and follow the Constitution a long time ago.

            • Enki

              Sorry to correcting you!
              It is not Jewish, it is the Khazarian Talmudic law.
              As of 740 AD when Khaghan ( King ) Bulan of Khazaria declared that they converted to the Talmudic Judaism ,the Jewish religeon was hijacked by the Khazars for political reason.
              Today the majority of the people who call themselves Jew are not Semitic and have no genetic connection to the 12 tribes of Hebrews.
              So when you see what Rothchilds ( Bauer ) or Rockefeller and the rest of their gang do in the name of Judaism, is simply re conquer the world and establish the Khazaria by a different name.
              We should expose these worms who like a vampire suck off the blood of our work, for what they are and educate as many people we can to their true nature.
              It is only then that we may have a chance to get rid of the Cancer of Federal Reserve, ECB and all of their relatives for good.
              Until then just educate your friends and family to obtain Gold and Silver .
              These Godly metals are the best weapon and the only silver bullet against these Vampires.
              Zoroast says: to fight the darkness I do not pick up a sword, I light a candle.
              And that I will do until the defeat of the Human enemies.

              • California Resident

                Do you people really think the Supreme Court is going to kill ObamaCare?

                Really??? Government isn’t going to kill anything except us.

                After six years of this asshole Marxist, you’d think you’d have learned by now.

                Many in here are smart – figure it out, already.

              • John Q. Public

                Yes, even in the Gospel of John the word “Jew” changed in meaning. By the end of the Gospel of John, instead of referring to all the people, the word refers to those who connived the judicial murder of Jesus, those followers who made themselves “two-fold children of Hell more than [the Pharisees themselves]” (Matthew 23:15).

                Indeed the Khazars had no semitic ancestors, making their favorite ritual curse “anti-semite” even more laughable. Some scholars have adopted the use of “Judaic” instead of “Jew” to distinguish the synagogue of Satan from today’s only true Jews, those Christians who have not defected from the Church.

                But remember, there is no racial backdoor to Heaven. There is no racial chute to Hell. It is not DNA that saves, but baptism, belief, and behavior exactly as Jesus Christ has taught.

              • Anonymous

                Agree totally, first must shine a light to educate. Read “Popsicle Man” by Kenneth Anton to learn about the 200 year conspiracy that established the ruling elite.

              • bobby jack

                The Rockefeller’s were just average people until someone discovered oil back in the 1920’s I believe. They haven’t been mega wealthy long enoungh to be involved in some biblically old global scheme. The great granddaddy was at the right place at the right time and was business suavy enough to gather a large fortune. Not to mention, provide the american people with oil (energy). They are one of the original american families that enjoyed the prosperity the new world had offer.

                By the way, when George Washington needed money for his final military campaign he called Hiram solo man for the loan. 🙂

            • Condor Day:4

              John Q Public: and just What have I been saying all along?

              IE: I have repeatedly said the us const Has/Is being replaced, switched Out and replaced BY their tribal judiac Talmud as the new law of land.

              Likewize the main reason for a vast majority of fed judges being jewish…NO goyim judges will comprehend the many differences between talmudic VS us const Law issues…But all them jewish judges sure will and do.

              Once they get ready to finalize their scam swindle upon unsuspecting Goyim usa folks, that Other 98% of usa citizens…The talmudics will enact their invention of Noahide law…Talmudic law for jewish folk, that 2 % of usa POP and for Our 98% of usa POP their Noahidic versions of jewish invented “Laws”…

              All of which are as Bogus as a three dollar bill.

              For there is NO other historic record anywheres else BUT their talmudic and Kabal books of judaism, for such a thing called Noahide laws.

              The rabbis “Claim” God Gave Noahide laws to Noah after the great flood event ended so Noah could use it as a system of laws for newly populated earth masses that were NON jewish…Ironic that the very word of “JEWISH” was never yet invented untill something like 2000 Years After Noahs flood event!

              Like dem lib kommies, when did such facts ever matter to the Pharisee talmudics or their tribal self chozens?

              Just One More great reason we need way more folks to finally awaken fully, then teach of these scams and issues to many more folks who can then do likewize untill Every Nation globally has a Majority of its folks wide awake and ready to tell the talmudic swindlers NO way!

              Sooner or later its going to happen that a vast majority worldwide Will be wide awake to it all…Like All prior hidden issues and lies or scams go…It at first is hardly anyone that will even attempt to research what only a small few tells them of…Than one day as if by some type miricle, so many know of it all it becomes very easy to finsih awakening those remaining few still ignorant or in denial….Then is when we shall really see the vast Lies errupt like a volcano and F5 tornado effect at once!….OyVey! Ve nevva said Dat! Youse Goys iz Cwazy!

          • John Q. Public

            Deceptively this “Justice” pretends he is a conservative Catholic, but pay attention at whose feet he kneels.

            “Conservative Catholic” Justice Antonin Scalia to be Keynote Speaker at Meeting Sponsored by Extremist, Ultra-Racist, Talmudic Group
            http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/news.html

            “Conservative Catholic” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Studies Talmud with Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz
            http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/11/conservative-catholic-supreme-court.html

            “The Jewish Week reported that Scalia is fascinated with Talmudic law and is involved in the launch of a Talmudic law institute in Washington D.C. with Nathan Lewin, Alan Dershowitz and Noson Gurary, a Chabad Lubavitch rabbi.” http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/11/conservative-catholic-supreme-court.html

            Rabbi Steinsaltz, often quoted by me for his English translation of Torah, is the rabbi who filled Caiaphas’ shoes in the reconstituted Sanhedrin.

            So… you now understand why SCOTUS conspires to kill and enslave us.

            • the renegade braveheart

              JQP, spot on. The justices’ loyalty to “the tribe” trumps everything else, unfortunately.

            • dave in Idaho

              Didnt take long to bring in the EVIL JOOOZ into this and EVERY article on this site. Now that we all know its the JOOZ, what are you going to do about it?….. Just as I thought …NOTHING. because you cant, and never will be able to.

              • MXLord327

                It would be nice to get comments on the actual article for once….

              • ThinkLikeYaEnemy

                Yeah this Joo crap gets real old
                Isn’t this site about prepping?

            • Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov

              Are any of you simple minded bigots able to make a distinction between the hedonistic secular Jews and the religious observant Jews? Or does your narrow minded bigotry preclude that? Just wondering.

              • Anonymous

                Ya’aqov ben Ya’aqov….Doesn’t make any difference at this time. Sometimes you try to guide some sect to do the right thing for the mankind Vs looting their existence but if that doesn’t work burn the fricking sect or tribe or any other name used all together.

              • dave in Idaho

                Maybe some of us could care less about the jews, or any other religion except our own. I gave you the only green thumb you are going to get here.

                • Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov

                  Your comments suggest you’re obsessed with them!

                • Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov

                  They appear to be living rent free in your under developed craniums.

              • TEST

                If you read my posts below, that is exactly the point I made. So, you needn’t wonder any more.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            33% of the Supreme Justices are Joo Shills placed in there to help undermine America. Not even close to the real representation of America as the Jewish Population is only 2.1% of total Americans. So lets start there, why America is so Screwed up.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Thanks for all the Green Thumbs up guys and gals. I know I have been accused as a Jew Basher for some time now. But When you really connect the dots back to the string pullers, this is why. And the chaos in our lives come back to the same tribe, from the Laying scumbag media to the banker tribe that fleeces us, to the law makers and judges that rule in corrupt protection for the tribe. Obama is a tribal Boot Licker. Beware of Boot lickers with status and power. And seriously folks, we need to cut off all ties with Israel and stop funding and protecting them and their war crimes. They will get us killed and drag us into more religious wars. As the entire world hates the Israeli Cockroaches. We need a president like Russia’s Putin that kicked out all the Jews of any meaningful Government Positions. Putin is more aligned with American’s Values than our own Boot Licker in chief and Politicians. Stop electing them. Republican McCain is just as Bad as Democrat Feinstein. It is not just a Liberal issue. The only GOP Congressman was Eric Cantor and the people were smart enough to finally kick him out of office. Lets get rid of the cockroaches that prey on our country. Thanks for waking up.

              • Toxic

                The problem here with what you’re saying is that you assume they are Jews just because that’s what they say they are. Judaism looks quite different from what people assume it is. There are many, many rules for being Jewish, but the Jews in Name Only and Cultural Jews are not representative of the religion of Judaism. The religion of Judaism is one of doing right by others, making the world better, and doing what G_d wants. This group may be culturally Jewish, but if you look at the commandments the Torah gives to Jews and compare them to how these folks behave, you’ll find that very few actually are. So perhaps you need to come up with a new name for them, because most Jews I know are poor, conservative, and keep pretty much to themselves. We don’t do things on Shabbos and refrain from cheating and damaging other people. I’d appreciate if you’d look at the mitzvot we are supposed to follow, compare it to these “Jews in name only”, realize that they aren’t Jews, and stop badmouthing an entire religion for the actions of people who probably only attend Synagogue twice a year and likely eat bacon.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  Well I sure don’t see any Jews calling out their own and criticizing them. You criticize me for calling them out. Talk is cheap, put your words to actions and get rid of the ZOGs.

                • Rebel in Idaho

                  Yeah just like Harry Reid is “mormon.” That vile piece of human excrement isn’t representative of the LDS church any more than some of the liberal hollywood/mainstream media/politician types of most any group are representative of their people.

                  I don’t hold reid against the mormons, Feinstein against catholics, or any of these against the jews. Though I do agree that our government shouldn’t support Isreal, or any other nation, financially.

                  Jews are “overrepresented” among noble prize winners, around 25% of the U.S. winners, too. It’s not a conspiracy to subvert math and science is it?

                  Since jews also become lawyers more frequently than most, and a lot of politicians are lawyers, it’s no surprise there are plenty of jewish lawyer/politician/criminal types to blame. All of the pols are crooked, lying, thieves and we would all be better off if they were composting in a nice non-denominational cemetery.

                • John Q. Public

                  Don’t make me laugh. Here is one of those mitzvoth right from the pen of the “greatest” rabbi of all, the “Great” Rambam, Maimonides:

                  “It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minim [Christians], and apikorsim, [“heretics,” i.e., sincere Judaic converts to Christianity] and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot.”
                  Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Chapter 10

                • badpuppydog

                  ^^^ see how he wrote “god ” in his post he’s a jew.

                • badpuppydog

                  I mean toxic up there..the jew trying to tell us about jews.

                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

              • Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov

                Are any of you simple minded bigots able to make a distinction between the hedonistic secular Jews and the religious observant Jews? Or does your narrow minded bigotry preclude that? Just wondering.

                • WhoWuddaThunkIt

                  Is a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing a wolf or a sheep. It’s kind of like cockroaches, just cause you don’t see one eating bread crumbs off your counter, do you let him go?? Hell No.

                • badpuppydog

                  Ya..has your clueless brainwashed rear end ever bothered to open a bible and learn the difference between an EDOMITE JEW and an ISRAELITE?

                • TEST

                  There are a number of anti-Semites on this site whose only purpose in life is to be anti-Semitic. I would say just ignorn them.

                  • badpuppydog

                    Whatever you say Test ( joe blow-me )

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              • Condor Day:4

                So with such a vast array of differing jew sects and beliefs etc, that Must be the real reason that even prior to mass media like radio or TV was invented…Any time within the Past 35 centuries that one single jew had in his mind reason to declare…”BOYCOTT!”

                Even back close to cave dweller days and zero radios or tvs somehow all them many vastly differing sects of beliefs etc were still always quite able to in less than 24 hrs, realize a Now Global BOYCOTT protest of whoever or whatever that first jew declared as “Antisemitic”…

                Yes makes perfect sense no?

                TRY this maybe eh?…”We are Just a religion”…OR “We are a RACE of special chozens” OR my Favorite…”We are BOTH”!! OR whichever suits it best depending on the issue and situations involved right…

                The Ends justifys the means…

                And with 3500 years to perfect the worlds biggest scams, swindles and outright ability to Lie like NO others can lie…Well of course we can trust whats been stated Here Now by a few posts trying to “Convince” Us Goyims that Yes we Goys are All simply stupid crazed loons, and if Only we goys would Finally trust this or that jew sect…Maybe then judaism can finally finish its main Goals right….

                Lets see what another one says on this issue of so many different sects shall we folks?

                “The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart’s blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.”

                — Herman Wouk, “This is My God.” Wouk wrote the book and screenplay “Winds of War,” popular back in the 1970’s.

                Like Christ said eh…Pharisee Synagouge of Satan!

          • OutWest

            It wouldn’t surprise me when a supreme court justice
            is ‘appointed’ to hold the office, he/she not only
            covertly pledges allegiance to the government and
            not the Constitution but also has a background that
            would put a ring through their nose to lead them by.

            • CrazyOnYou

              …more like pledges allegiance to the devil and the dark forces that gives a false sense of security to the “appointed/annointed one”.

              • Condor Day:4

                Maybe to better inform us stupid goyims the new poster jews here today should describe for us goys why jews recite their prayer called the “KOL NIDRE” eh…

                I better explain why this is so damn Important since I duobt these few here today are going to do so…

                basically that KOL NIDRE Prayer is recited yearly at “YOM KIPPER” day aka jewish version of NEW Years day!

                What does KOL NIDRE have to do with it all?

                The recital of KOL NIDRE prayer on Yom Kipper day is a prayer that basically ABSOLVES jews from Obedience to Any/ALL Oaths and promices made or taken! for or to Goyim gentiles…

                Now You know Why so damn Many of the current and near past crop of jewish antigun types and global warm scam types and overall Kommie jew types so OFTEN go 180 Degrees Exact Opposite from the OATH they swear to Uphold Our US Const!!…Or the vast array of political promices they swear to do once elected!…Then 60 seconds after that promice or OATH they go direct opposite of it all!

                Maybe its due to KOL NIDRE prayer which absolves jewish folks not just from Past Oaths taken but also from keeping any such OATHS made for the NEXT Year in Advance!

                Kinda as “IF” them folks Plans on violateing such important sworn OATHS prior to even makeing said OATH!

                Sorta like a pre planned LIE prior to the actual LIE eh…Pre-Meditated perhaps?…my My My! indeed what one can learn if as suggested you Goys check out some jewish religious stuff!…Like KOL NIDRE perhaps Chief?

                • badpuppydog

                  I haven’t yet studied about “YOM KIPPER ” interesting..I always wondered what in the world they were doing on that day.

        • FreeSlave

          Chief Justice John Roberts betrayed conservatives, and betrayed his appointment by George W. Bush, and betrayed his Catholic faith and Catholic Church with his vote.

          Now’s his chance to redeem himself.

          Also, I hope SCOTUS nullifies ObamaCare so that Congress doesn’t have to go to all the hassle to repeal this bill that the Libs pushed for. Demn Libs!

          P.S. If I remember the argument correctly, if a bill or law is deemed a tax, then it has to originate in a certain body of Congress. And the ACA didn’t, and so it wasn’t legal that way either.

          • Illini Warrior

            Not going to happen …. extremely obvious that Obammy is using an old Chicago tactic of personal blackmail on his opposition …. Brown and probably few other of the justices have something vulnerable in their past making them open to blackmail …

            the only defense the new Republican Congress has against Obammy & Company is to pull his wallet …. no $$$$ – no more BS

            • Sierra Dave

              I suspect blackmail. Lets hope Roberts comes out and in a bug public hearing saying he was blackmailed.

              • Calgagus

                Dont you remember? Roberts had problems w/ his adopted kids. The process was done illegally and since he was a VIP and paid out extra $ he got special treatment. It was in the alt news.

                • TEST

                  Assuming Roberts did something, golly gee whiz – Benghazigate, IRSGate, withholding his university transcripts, Fast& Furious, AP/Snoop on CongressGate, ad nauseam.

                  Kinda like Hitler accusing a 5 yr old of stealing a cooking. Of course, leftist media will let Hitler off and give a lethal injection to the kid.

                  Man, I DESPISE the vile, lying, fascist, ignorant, arrogant – and did I say vile? – leftist media. Some of those people will literally be in Hell within a few decades. I don’t wish ill on anyone, but that is the sad truth if the keep on the path they are on.

                • Calgagus

                  @Test The media has really shown itself to be the puppets they are. TV viewership is way down, internet is way up w/ some good op ed articals and alt news (why do we even call it alt news, should be called real news, eh?).

                  Did quite a bit of poking around after Pissed Off Granny and a few others were talking about Bilderberg and Illuminati. Went to henrymakow dot com and took off from there. Getting my eyes opened up more than before. Seems so crazy but its all right there if you want to dig. Props to those here who share the info. Appreciate what you add in to, Test.

                • Smokey

                  How despicable can one be? Paying money to adopt orphans, how terrible.

                  If someone tried to blackmail me with that, I’d say, “So what?”

              • Vicky

                Expecting accountability from a politician is naive, at best. I don’t expect a hero to emerge and say “This is what I did. I’m being blackmailed for it, but now I’ll sacrifice myself for my country.” Dream on! He could go on Oprah and beg for forgiveness, but I don’t think she’s into forgiving conservatives. Problems with an adoption are enough to sink your country? How on earth!

                • TEST

                  Yes, exactly – go on record as to what happened to be blackmailed, and why. What? It’s not as if these people are going to starve. Some with the military. Supposedly they are willing to sacrifice their lives, but not their careers.

                  If it were me, you’re DARN RIGHT I would sacrifice my career and reputation for the good of millions of others. But, most people that get that high are already orbiting the black hole, if not already sucked into it. Of course, Hitlery and Obama actually ARE a an ethical and fiscal black hole.

                • the renegade braveheart

                  Calgagus, I’m also opening my eyes to the machinations of “the tribe”. JQP, POG, and Condor are providing some mind-boggling information.

                • Rebel in Idaho

                  Not if you adopt black kids. Then you get invited on Oprah to talk about your racist persecutors.

            • Mountain Trekker

              Everybody Loves FREE! Unfortunately it always comes at a cost to someone. Trekker Out. So Get Over It!

              • hammerhead

                From the srticle:
                “Congress failed to detail this very important item within the law itself.”

                BUT , BUT we had to pass it to see whats in it ?
                Congress never read this pile of socialist shit!
                How can congress be blamed ?
                OBAMA OWNS THIS !

                • ENFP

                  Congress should be blamed for passing a bill so long and convoluted they couldn’t read it. Pass no bills with riders and above a limited number of words!

              • badpuppydog

                Braveheart…welcome to the TRUTH brother…you are now …FREE

                JQP, POG, CONDOR, MYSELF, and others know the truth and are trying like hell to light a few fires under asses in here to get people awake.

            • Navy Vet

              ACA was originally foisted on us as way for the 30-40 million uninsured to get health care coverage. Since, even by his own admission, Obama has enrolled somewhere short of ten million, most of whom already had a plan, what happened to the 30-40M that the was originally supposed to help because health insurance was too expensive for them.

              Short answer: they’re still uninsured because THEY STILL CAN”T AFFORD IT.

              So, as usual, it was all bullshit to begin with.

              • Cara

                The goal of Obamacare was to make private healthcare so painful that the people would scream for Congress to fix it and they would take whatever was offered.
                Obama and his group wanted total federal control of the healthcare system. They wanted communist healthcare but the Congress and the people said NO. So he rolled out this plan. He had used it in Chicago and it was an absolute failure and hugely expensive. Many healthcare analysts tried to offer alternative plans that do function well and proved quality care at competitive prices. But Obama ignored them and chose this system that was a known failure because it would serve his ultimate goals: government controlled, government healthcare.

                • Iowa

                  Thank God I’m healthy

              • Rebel in Idaho

                Too many people forget that just over 1/3 of the uninsured in this country are already eligible for medicaid for free and just won’t sign up.

                It was never about the uninsured.

            • Kevin2

              If they had such information they did not use it in the Heller and McDonald cases.

              • TEST

                Maybe just keeping their powder dry? Interesting point tho! We’ll see soon, I guess!

                • Kevin2

                  In would be inclined to think that the USSC ruling that the Second Amendment WAS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT would have been too irresistible to pass up employing, “by hook or by crook” to obtain it.

          • John Q. Public

            @ Free Slave

            Since you mention betrayal of the Faith, consider what BERGoglio says and compare it to the Baltimore Catechism, the catechism that has been used since 1885 A.D. by real Catholic children:

            http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2014/10/making-it-up-as-he-goes-along.html

            “Is the Pope……?” er… never mind. For two millennia Catholics have suffered numerous anti-Popes… as we do now.

            • FreeSlave

              JQP,

              I’m not Catholic, but I’m rather familiar with Catholicism. Pope Francis is great news for Lib Cats and they’re greatly heartened by the recently concluded Extraordinary Synod on the Family that he called. The report is only interim, but still, it is rather troubling for traditional Catholics.

              As a non-Catholic, I’m still a big Catholic watcher, and I liked Pope Ratzinger much more than Pope Francis. I’m not sure how the lineage of popes are counted, but there’s some old prophecy whereby Pope Francis might be the last Pope.

              • John Q. Public

                @ Free Slave

                You are thinking of the prophesy of St. Malachy, but there are problems with that prophesy. The most important problem is whether or not to count anti-Popes. NOT including the “Vatican 2” and post-“Vatican 2” anti-Popes, the Church has officially deposed about two dozen anti-Popes, so there is plenty of solid historical precedent for deposing anti-Popes and annulling their actions and appointments.

                All that follows in this post is opinion. I believe the evidence is solid, but the problems are complex and the theology and canon law is disputed, so I want to be clear—this post is OPINION, so needs to be clearly labeled as such.

                Since the death of Pius XII in 1958, quite possibly there has not been a genuine Catholic Pope known to the public. Search the internet to find the evidence supporting the “Siri Hypothesis.” Since Pius XII the supposed Popes have all been manifest heretics—meaning that their heresies are so obvious that even a layman can recognize the heresies. The de fide tenets of the Catholic Faith are knowable and departures from Catholic dogma and morality are also knowable, but only a real Pope, a succeeding Pope, has the juridical authority to formally depose a preceding anti-Pope and annul the anti-Pope’s actions and appointments.

                Roncalli was a known Freemason (an automatic latae sententia excommunication under the then existent canon law), censured by Pope Pius XII for his published heresies, and a Communist sympathizer—a “papacy” that can also be annulled because Roncalli’s “election” followed the resignation of Pope Gregory XVII (Siri) under duress. Under canon law, duress nullifies such a resignation, so no Pope could have replaced Pope Gregory XVII until his death in 1989.

                Montini was a practicing sodomite and a heretic. Luciani was murdered (probably related to the Vatican Bank scandal) within 33 days of his supposed papacy (but he was known to dissent from Catholic teaching against “birth control”). Wojtyla the Worst was another modernist heretic, so no wonder he was loved by the world. Montini, Luciani, and Wojtyla were “elected” while Gregory XVII was still alive—so, if Siri had indeed been elected as evidence suggests, none of them could have been true Popes, only anti-Popes, so none of their teachings or appointments would be valid. Hence, the appointments of Cardinals voting in papal conclaves would be invalid. A fortiori, invalid electors cannot elect a valid Pope.

                Ratzinger and BERGoglio are both modernists (modernism is a defined heresy) “elected” by such invalid conclaves. While there is some disagreement amongst reputable ancient theologians and the Doctors of the Church, there is also reason to believe that by putting themselves out of the Church with their public and private heresies, they could hold NO canonical office—basically, you can’t be the head of a Church to which you don’t belong.

        • the renegade braveheart

          Mac, I’m not holding my breath either. I suspect this is all another political show put on by SCOTUS. Obamacare will eventually fail regardless of what SCOTUS says. It’s been proven time and again that government-controlled health care has failed in every country where it’s been tried. Government ruins health care systems just like they do everything else in a society.

          • John Q. Public

            …but Obola-Care is INTENDED to fail.

            95% depopulation, then loot and enslave the survivors.

            Satan, his synagogue, and their accomplices hard at work.

            • Hunter

              John Q–>

              Please keep in mind the following:

              “…You will know you have spoken the truth, when you are angrily denounced and red thumbed;…and you will know you have spoken both truly and well, when you are visited by the police…”

              ————————-

              LOL, brother!

              ..you’ve volunteered for point…I’ve got your six!

              ————————-

              ..continue closing w/ the enemy!

              Good post, sir!

              • John Q. Public

                My brother, we are so surrounded it is sometimes difficult to tell 6 from 12, but whether you are at 6 or 12, I can think of few others with whom I would rather fight.

                I pray, my friend, that we meet before the Day of the General Judgment, but if not, let us both do our best to be on the right that Day and every day—never with the goats, the rabbis, and the demons!

                • Pissed Off Granny

                  Hunter and JQP:

                  If God would give me a choice of brothers it would be you two.

                  You are carriers of truth and will be blessed for it.

                • John Q. Public

                  Granny,

                  You are the best!

                • Hunter

                  Granny–>

                  Am honored, dear.

                  …know that you’ve been adopted, hon…

                  You’re the ferocious sister many wish they had…

                  XX / 00..too you!

            • CrazyOnYou

              Only 95%?

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          The first main thing to fix health care is to control Costs and Fraud. Then once that is under control, get rid of Insurance Companies, needless layer of Profits, then get down to real preventative care for all, Then charge costs according to income. Just way too much GREED in the system.

          • John Q. Public

            The short version:

            Costs are driven mainly by (1) the public’s widespread and unjustifiable sense of entitlement, (2) first dollar or low deductible coverage, and (3) such tremendous lazy stupidity that most adults can’t—or won’t—treat even a simple cold, sore throat, or simple GI virus without rushing to the Emergency Room or Urgent Care Center bleating, “Take caaare of me!”

            Lazy morons are insulated from the financial cost of making stupid and wasteful decisions.

            Incidentally, much of what passes for preventative care these days is just a stalking horse for profiting from dangerous and immoral (since many vaccines are derived from aborted baby cells) vaccines, promoting promiscuity and perversion (abortion “services” counseling, “gender identity” counseling, etc.) and collecting data on gun ownership.

            AND… Yes, there are special forms submitted that centralize the data connected to the patient’s SS# for ready retrieval by insurers and government agencies.

            Be really careful what you wish for.

            • CrazyOnYou

              If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!

        • Horse'sass

          Strange that as I recall, neither party argued Obamacare/Affordable Care Act on the “merits” of a “tax.”

          Sounds like there was a “directive” to the SCOTUS: Find a way to make ACA pass constitutional muster.

          As has been the case in many civil court battles on an individual/personal level, I am convinced our judicial/legal system really is an Alice in Wonderland process whereby the Queen of Hearts yells something like “Punishment first, verdict afterwards! Off with her head!”

          “Stuff and nonsense!, said Alice. Whoever heard of punishment first and verdict afterwards?”

          But my impression is that decisions are made first and it is the courts’s task to find ways to gerrymander around the arguments to get the desired result.

          • the renegade braveheart

            Horse’sass, I agree with your analysis of the court system. I’ve been under that same impression for a long time.

          • hammerhead

            “But my impression is that decisions are made first and it is the courts’s task to find ways to gerrymander around the arguments to get the desired result.”

            winner winner , free chicken dinner !!!!!!
            Ten thumbs up .

        • FuckingPissed

          It would be nice for something good to happen for a change. I am not going to hold my breath though. However, I am still acquiring weapons and everything else I can think of.

        • possee

          Yeah right

          as if scotus is actually upholding the law..

          I call bullshit on this..

          Nothing more than over paid shills..

          affecting 315 million of us..

          Hang em high

          possee

        • Scavenger

          Yeah I think the “penalty” for not complying was justified as a “tax”, and the “forcing people to purchase a commodity from a private company” was justified via the Interstate Commerce clause. Which makes no sense to me, because health insurance could not be purchased across state lines…so I don’t know how they got away with that one.

          • Rebel in Idaho

            Well their decisions aren’t posted on American Idol and they don’t buy spots during the superbowl or march madness even. What do you mean how did they get away with it?

        • Meathead

          Mac. I watched the interview on the Boiling Frogs show with Russel Tice (former NSA official). The words leverage and blackmail were mentioned during the interview. I hope the Affordable Care Act is struck down, but would not be surprised if is left in place.
          Tice said it all when he talked about the surveillance and potential blackmail of high ranking gov’t officials, politicians, generals, and at least one Supreme Court judge.
          This ruling will be interesting. Let’s see what happens. We’ll know who really makes the decisions in this country if the ACA is left in place.
          Franklin Roosevelt made a very interesting comment to Colonel Edwin House way back in the 1930s about a “shadow government” that has existed ever since the days of Andrew Jackson’s administration.

          • Night Breaker

            You sir have won the Internet Today.
            When the time comes what happens will be SPECTACULAR in scope , the clock is ticking
            What was old will be new , the founders were wise enough to incorporate a fail safe.
            I can ASSURE you 100 % the LIGHT OF LIBERTY will not fade .

            WE WILL ENDURE

            Remember General Washingtons Vision .
            The Truth will set you free.

            “the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered as deeply , perhaps as finally staked on the experiment entrusted into the hands of the American people ” George Washington 30th April 1789

            “to be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace”
            “a free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined ; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite, and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential , particularly military supplies” George Washington first address to house of congress 8 January 1790

            ” they prepared for battle and gathered them together into a place called in Hebrew tongue Armageddon” Rev 16:16 KJV

            On this coming Veterans Day ( 11 month 11 day 11 hour ) refect on the meaning of the above quotes , remember what was given what has been sacrificed, thank a veteran , remember those that gave their tomorrow for your today . “These are the times that try mens souls “trust in a higher power, a just God .

            God bless this Republic
            Death to the New World Order
            We Shall Prevail

            III

            Semper Fi 8541

        • Prepper

          Mac, the word on the street is that John Roberts used some dirty tricks in the adoption of his two children. If his behavior saw the light of day it would mean having to return his kids to their native Ireland. Democrats, who never let a crisis go to waste, cut a deal. Let Obamacare stand and your indiscretions no longer exist. This is blackmail. Roberts reversed his stand and was the deciding vote on allowing the “tax” to stay even though it was not introduced in the US House in accordance with clear constitutional directives. So what are the odds that the US Supreme court will actually uphold the law this time around? I’m going to ask Peewee Herman, Ronald McDonald, and Daffy Duck who are just as likely to act in a proper and dignified way.

          Here is a video with Glenn Beck that discussed this issue.
          http://media.word1063.com/a/86083016/bob-mclain-1-13-hr-3.htm

        • Tom

          Chief Justice Roberts was blackmailed into calling Obamacare a tax by threatening him with the release of info that he had illegally adopted his two Irish-born children. The children were flown by their mothers to a South American country in order to circumvent Irish law that requires government approval before giving up children for adoption. Now you know what our government is doing with all of that NSA data they sweep up — they’ve got something on everyone that they can trot out when they need to force compliance.

        • Warchild Dammit!

          Mac,I would argue by saying obama care a tax and legal it opened a huge door to defund it,the repub congress could have done that a long time ago,would say justice John in this instance did the country a favor,that said,disagree most times with scotus.

        • SF

          It has been noted that the legislative bill resulting in ACA was originated in the Senate. My civics classes informed me that the origin of tax legislation, Constitutionally, must come from the House of Representatives. Thus for the Supreme Court to find ACA is a allowable as a tax is fallacious.

      • FreeSlave

        FWIW, the Supreme Court has 6 Catholics (Roberts, Scalia, Alioto, Thomas, Kennedy, and Sotomayor) and 3 Jews (Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan).

        There’s quite a few comments about ZOG and about Jew this, and Jew that. There was a comment by TEST on a previous comment thread that was quite excellent and worthy of reproducing again here. Enjoy:

        TEST says:
        Comment ID: 3262950

        November 8, 2014 at 9:40 am

        When the Soviet archives were opened up under Yeltsin around 1992 or so, they revealed there were 62 milion “excess” deaths (their term, not mine).

        But you expect me to support Hitler?? Why must you insist on a false dichotomy?

        Re. the Jewish question, Norman Podhoretz (sp?) said, if I recall, that part of the problem is that, due to the pogroms, certain Jews went down the socialist/communist route to protect themselves. Of course, given the reality of unintended consequences, it blew back on them. Same will happen in the US, where there has been an exceptionally heavy influx of leftist Jewish influence. However, it seems these are *secular* or cultural Jews, not practicing Jews for the most part. I believe Jews are God’s chosen people, and support Israel; however, I do NOT support the control of **leftist** Jews. I am concerned when, e.g., we have an inordinate succession of Jewish folks running the county’s financial world – eg., Goldspan, then Benanke, then Yellen (who beat out Larry Summers, also Jewish), then Jack Lew, before that Tim Geithner, the list goes on. Now, this COULD just be a result of Jewish immigration to the financial centre, NY, and thus partially coincidence. I could also just being prejudice – e.g., I see a LOT of East Indians only hiring other East Indians where I live, and creating their own cabal.

        In sum, your support of the National SOCIALIST Hitler is way off base; on the other hand, the question of inordinate Jewish influence on the financial world needs to be explored further. It may be a happenstance of historical factors. However, Jewish or not, the whole bankster and left wing thing is the real concern – there are MANY from all ethnicities buying into that. And as far as I’m concerned, Hitler and Stalin were simply sides of the same evil coin…. and today’s leftism is the other side of the coin as Robespierre, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe, the Vietnamese re-education camps, ad nauseam.

        • John Q. Public

          @ Free Slave

          Spend some time reading Torah at the library and you will quickly understand that those “secular Jews” are practicing Judaism in its most orthodox form. Because Gentiles are not human, Gentiles are owed no debt of morality or decency – not honesty [Baba Kamma 113a], not property [Baba Mezia 24a], not even life! — “Kill even the best of the gentiles”

          At the same time compare two millennia of Magisterium with 50 years of Vatican 2 effluvia. The Novus Ordo is NOT Catholicism. The Novus Ordo, as should be apparent to even the most simple-minded of observers, is just another branch of the synagogue of Satan.

          See the links I (attempted to) post above and you will quickly see that your SCOTUS count is is error. 3 are professed Jews and the other 6 are just their Novus Ordo accomplices.

          • TEST

            Torah or Talmud? I am a Christian, have one of my grad degrees in theology (the other in linguistics), and have studied Hebrew. If you are saying the Torah advocates the killing Gentile carte blanc, you are WAY off base. Even the Canaanites, who were horribly evil (passing their children thru the fire, etc.) God did NOT have them annihilated until it says their evil had caused their time to end. Further, both Rahab and Ruth – in the line of David – were GENTILES.

            Please reconsider your comments. Again, it seems to me – and I am open to correction – that there is a *subset* of leftist/big gov’t oriented Jews that perhaps think that by taking over much of the culture and financial world, they can protect themselves. This then starts down a self-perpetuating cycle. As noted above, I have seen this in my dealings with East Indians. The issue with the Jews is that it seems (I may be wrong) that they just happened to be that they were in the right place (NY) at the right time (creation of the Fed, advent of Wilsonian and others’ “progressivism”, etc. Then, as a minority, they naturally gravitated together, etc. etc. Just a thought as I try to work this through. I do believe Scripture, tho, that they are still God’s chosen people, and support Israel. Of course, as Scripture tells us, when the Jews do evil, God himself does not support them right or wrong – the Babylonian captivity proves that. If I were to do something evil as a kid, my parents would still love me, but they would also either punish me or, if it were sufficiently evil, call the police and have me jailed.

            • FreeSlave

              TEST, where did you get your grad degree in Theology from and what exactly was your theology grad degree? Eg. Th.M, M.Div, ?

              I’m a fan of your comments, btw.

              • John Q. Public

                So far my attempt to post the six definitions failed. “Error 404” after two tries. Let’s see what happens to this post.

                In this post, TEST, I will take issue with your “still the chosen people” assertion.

                The short version (and I am happy supply biblical proof texts for all of this):

                The terms of the Mosaic Covenant required obedience on the part of Israelite nation and promised severe punishments for disobedience. An enormous portion of both the Old and New Testaments testifies to the disobedience of the nation of Israel as a whole.

                At the moment of Jesus’ death on Calvary, the temple veil was torn in two. In numerous verses the Bible states that the Jews “made void” the Mosaic Covenant and that the Mosaic Covenant was replaced.

                The Apostles speak of the Church as the New Israel, the New Chosen People. Many Jews accepted Jesus Christ and became part of the New Israel, the New Chosen People… BUT MANY DID NOT ACCEPT HIM. As a nation they rejected Him and their highest national court connived His judicial murder.

                While God loves and showers grace upon all men, the stiff necked followers of the Pharisees resist His graces. We pray for their conversion of mind, heart, and soul, but until the conversion of that nation of Pharisees, they are EXACTLY what God said in Apocalypse (Revelations) 2:9 and 3:9.

                I wil try again to post the SIX definitions of “Torah.”

                • TEST

                  JQP – fair enough. And you are so VERY right about the whole history of Israel in the OT being indicative of rebellion towards God (not that we gentiles are much different!!) Replacement theory is certainly part of the discussion that honest Christians can disagree about (think pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib rapture as another example). I’m not sure I agree with you still (e.g., I think you are making a category mistake relative to the law being abolished, per Paul, vis-a-vis the Jews being God’s chosen people). However… the problem is, I think a full discussion of this would take many, many posts, don’t you? And then, we are also totally off topic and even Mac will probably start thumbs-downing us! 😉

                  In sum, relative to the posts here, I think we can both agree that the anti-Semitic posts here are out of line, and that God desires all people, Jews and Gentile, to come to a saving knowledge of his Son, n’est pas?

                  I very much appreciate what you wrote, however, it is important, and well put. This site may just not be the right place at the right time for this exact discussion…..

              • TEST

                Thank you. M.A. in linguistics from U. of Illinois, and I did a graduate diploma (Master’s degree without a thesis) from Regent College, part of Univ. of British Columbia.

                As you will see from all my typos, I did NOT do a degree in typing, or proof-reading! 😉

                • FreeSlave

                  Thanks Test.

                  I draw a distinction between liberal secular Jews and devoutly observant Jews and Messianic Jews and all the rest. Jewish people are not monolithic, even though they are ethnically Jewish.

                  Regent is a Christian college that I respect.

                  Pax.

                • badpuppydog

                  Not to mention you don’t know the difference between nationalism and communism. Maybe they don’t teach that stuff to highly educated guys like you test. Are you sure those aren’t imaginary degrees? I myself hold more than 1 degree ( I won’t say in what becuse it doesn’t mean DICK ) and you don’t strike me as graduate level intellect.

            • John Q. Public

              @ Test

              With all respect due, your studies should continue.

              Most Gentiles think that “Torah” refers only to the Old Testament. Wrong!

              The rabbis distinguish between the Torah She Bich Tav (“Written Torah”, what Christians call “Old Testament”) and Torah SheBeal Peh (“Oral Torah” that was eventually compiled into written form as mishnah, gemarah, tosefta, halacha, haggadah, and responsa.

              I will try to post a longer description of SIX things that the rabbis consider to be Torah, but who knows if it will get spiked in “moderation”?

              Of utmost importance, Judaism teaches that the “Oral Torah” overrules the “Written Torah,” so the rabbis overrule the Word of God. In fact, Judaism ridicules the Old Testament “Written Torah” as fit for study only by women and young children.

              There are many proof texts for that assertion. Here is a salient proof text from the Torah, the Babylonian Talmud:

              “God smiled and said: ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me!’ God’s sons ‘defeated him’ with their arguments. Rabbi Yehoshua was correct in his contention that a view confirmed by majority vote must be accepted, even where God Himself holds the opposite view.”
              Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Bava Metzia 59b, Steinsaltz Edition [NY: Random House 1990], Vol. III p.237.

              • TEST

                I’m also not getting my comments accepted, too. I’ll try again:

                JQP – fair enough. And you are so VERY right about the whole history of Israel in the OT being indicative of rebellion towards God (not that we gentiles are much different!!) Replacement theory is certainly part of the discussion that honest Christians can disagree about (think pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib rapture as another example). I’m not sure I agree with you still (e.g., I think you are making a category mistake relative to the law being abolished, per Paul, vis-a-vis the Jews being God’s chosen people). However… the problem is, I think a full discussion of this would take many, many posts, don’t you? And then, we are also totally off topic and even Mac will probably start thumbs-downing us! 😉

                In sum, relative to the posts here, I think we can both agree that the anti-Semitic posts here are out of line, and that God desires all people, Jews and Gentile, to come to a saving knowledge of his Son, n’est pas?

                I very much appreciate what you wrote, however, it is important, and well put. This site may just not be the right place at the right time for this exact discussion…..

            • jaxx

              I’m with you…I don’t really think this stuff is even religious in nature though. There may well be some sort of interconnected group trying to mess with our culture and society…or maybe not. Maybe Jews in particular participate in this or a similar group…or maybe not. I’m open to evidence either way, but I’m getting tired of following up the jew-haters’ “evidence” and it comes back to the protocols of the elders of zion or some such BS.

              I think more likely there’s some cabal of wealthy leftists that pulls as many strings as they can…with mixed results. Because herding humans the way you want is a lot like herding cats. No human is capable of doing it well or for very long. The best one person or a few people could do would be to be very wealthy, have an uncanny ability to read the flow of history, and then apply large quantities of wealth at exactly the right points in time and space to influence events as you want to. Even then it might not make a lasting difference.

              But I’m really just not buying the sooper seekrit klub thing. There are clubs, sure, like the Bilderberger people and the ones that meet at that ranch in Cali, and even the various rich kid fraternities and whatever, but none of them are pulling all the strings of the world. There are way too many strings.

              • FreeSlave

                Awesome comment Jaxx. 1000 thumbs up!!

                • Anonymous

                  Awesome comments? Thanks for promoting the ignorance.

              • John Q. Public

                @ jaxx

                I have posted mountains of quotes from Jewish “holy” books, quotes from Jews’ own mouths, and from Jewish media. Several others here have similarly quoted the Jews in their own words.

                Not one person here has relied upon “the Protocols or some such BS” as their only evidence. In fact, it is hardly ever mentioned here. If you really think the Torah, Haaretz, and the Protocols are one and the same, you are hopeless.

                Satan wars against God and God’s People. Satan has allies and accomplices. We are indeed in a religious war even if you are in denial about that.

                I am amused by those who insist it is just “liberals.” Netanyahu and his Likudniks and Chabadniks and Hasidim are among the most reactionary of “conservatives” and they are just as murderous and otherwise wicked as the “liberals.”

                • TEST

                  [Baba Kamma 113a], not property [Baba Mezia 24a], not even life! — “Kill even the best of the gentiles”, etc.

                  I hardly equate that as prescriptive, or descriptive, of the Torah. And the expulsion of the Canaanites was only after they had abused the land, including passing their kids through the fire to Molech (cf. what saline abortions today do to unborn babies. Basically the same thing – burns them to death)

                  If you consider the Torah the oral traditions, etc., I do not, and we are once again talking category mistake. I am explicitly referring to *holy* Scripture as found in both the OT and NT. If you start taking Baba Kamma… or even Gildna Radner’s Baba Wawa (Barbara Walters) from SNL, then I guess you can come up with all kinds of things. And I am sure there are many anti-gentile Jews, I have no doubt. The burden of proof is on you to illustrate that this modern “cabal” is following this (what I might call conspiracy theory, except I find that term dismissive), or is it, as I conjecture, just a happenstance of culture, time and location?

                  Thank you for citing references, though. That is always helpful so we can analyze what you are saying more fully

                • Rebel in Idaho

                  When I was in grad school I worked in a lab with several devout muslims. These were very nice, well educated, socially tolerant yet personally conservative, Egyptians. It was really interesting to get their views on politics, sharia, jiziyah, etc.

                  The funniest thing they ever said though was when I asked them why Muslims disliked jews so much. They said “How stupid can one people be? God told them so many times with so many prophets and still they won’t learn?” Still makes me laugh to this day.

                • John Q. Public

                  @ TEST For Jews what matters is what the rabbis teach is Torah. If you are fooled into thinking that they are just a bunch of nice guys who take the Word of God in the Old Testament at plain meaning, so much the better for their deception—but that is a deception.

                  I can only wonder why the “moderators” here are afraid to let me post a quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia proving that for Jews, Torah includes MUCH more than you claim.

                  For the rabbis, Torah includes:

                  Torah She Bich Tav (“Written Torah”, the Old Testament) AND
                  Torah SheBeal Peh (“Oral Torah”) which not only includes: mishnah, gemarah, tosefta, aggadah, halakha, tosefta, and responsa, but is authoritative in SUPERSEDING Written Torah, SUPERSEDING the Word of God.

                  The rabbis also claim that rabbis themselves are Torah.

                  And of course there is the totemic scroll of Torah in the synagogue.

                  Unless you want to remain in denial of the truth, all you have to do is Google: “Torah She Beal Peh”

                  Meanwhile I will try a SIXTH time to post the Jewish Encyclopedia’s entry on Torah.

            • PKLL

              Test: the jews are painted with a very broad brush….doesn’t negate the fact that they are still God’s chosen….but don’t expect a reasonable conversation with the haters. It seems obvious that there is evil in EVERY race and nation, but that doesn’t seem to compute for some.

              PKLL

              • John Q. Public

                How trite! Of course “there is evil in every race and nation.”

                Is that childish platitude supposed to make us complacent? …make us ignore all the evidence against the perpetrators and advocates of genocide, the instigators and profiteers of war, the abortionists, the dynastic perpetrators of economic crimes against humanity, the liars and looters?

                Because you confuse evidence with hate are we supposed to go into a talmudvision-induced coma?

                Prosecute the guilty. Leave the innocent alone.

                What part of that don’t you understand?

                • TEST

                  Right. I forgot. Only Jews are capable of evil, Stalin was a cryto-Jew, Tamerlane was a Jew, Benedict Arnold was a Jew, and Tojo was a Jew. This does NOT ignore, e.g., the significant, tho not singular, involvement of Jews with Bolshevism.

                  However, finally we get an intellectual proposition! Thank you. You equate the Talmud with the Torah. Relative to your comment above:

                  First, everyone has had problems posting, it appears, recently, including myself. I doubt there is also some conspiracy to censor you.

                  I appreciate the propositions you bring to bear on the issue. Specifically, your contention that rabbis (which rabbis? Orthodox only? Reform? Conservative? On what basis do you consider the Jewish Encyclopedia authoritative? The old saying “If you have 5 Jews together, you will have 8 opinions” applies here. Critically, you contend the oral traditions supersede the Torah, or OT, as below:

                  For the rabbis, Torah includes: Torah She Bich Tav (“Written Torah”, the Old Testament) AND Torah SheBeal Peh (“Oral Torah”) which not only includes: mishnah, gemarah, tosefta, aggadah, halakha, tosefta, and responsa, but is authoritative in SUPERSEDING Written Torah, SUPERSEDING the Word of God.
                  The rabbis also claim that rabbis themselves are Torah.

                  This is an important contention. However, it is unsupported, and just citing the Jewish Encyclopedia – and single source at that – is very insufficient evidence.

                  I appreciate your adding detail and fact to the question, rather than simple ad hominem invective we see from a few others. I also understand, and have noted, the concern I have with the disproportionate (key word is disproportionate, not exclusive) involvement of Jews in Bolshevism (which, as I have proved from quotes directly from Mussolini and Hitler, is a **internecine** battle among socialists, both murderous.

                  Finally, I believe it was you who quotes Solzhenitsyn about Jews. You would do well to consider the complete body of his quotes, one of which is “the line between good and evil runs through each of our own individual hearts” (I may have that slightly off, but close).

                  The key contention – which I appreciate you clarifying – is that you are equating the Talmud with the Torah. This may be true, but I don’t know to what extent, and you may be making a simple category mistake by applying this to all Jews. However, in contrast to some others here, I will examine this in further detail, as finally someone has provided a data point – rather than just invective – that can be investigated. I will let you know what I find out. However, given the lack of what I consider intellectual honesty and reliance on ad hominem attacks over examining propositions, I will not be reading, or replying to folks like BPD or POG.

                  Meanwhile, I also ask you to address Hitler’s quote: “There is more that binds us to Boshevism than separates us from it… I have always made allowances for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once.” As well, these:

                  G.B. Shaw, who was a Fabian socialist:

                  “Mussolini practices more positive socialism than many of his adversaries whose names are inscribed in the party role.”

                  Italian fascism was collectivist in nature, and the fascists were “well aware of the fact that Communism springs from the same collectivist stem as their own system.”

                  Ludwig von Mises on socialism and Nazis (N.B.: von Mises fled from the Nazis to Switz n 1934, and then to the US in 1940). His Ph.D was from U. of Vienna, and he taught as several US universities.

                  “… Mussolini, the outstanding man in Italian socialism, chose at first the orthodox Marxian position. Nobody could surpass Mussolini in Marxian zeal… the programme of the Fascist, as drafted in 1919, was vehemently anticapitalistic… fascism was not… an original product of the Italian mind. It began as a split within the ranks of Marxian socialism.” (p. 525f, The Socialist Revolution).

                  “The philosophy of the Nazis, the German National Socialist Labour Party, is the purest and most consistent manifestation of the anticapitalistic and socialist spirit of our age.” Von Mises, p. 528f

                  From Richard Vetterli and Willam Fort’s book, The Socialist Revolution:

                  “The collectivist systems of Communism and Fascism belong not on the opposite extremes … their characteristics demand that they share a position side by side on the left” and that Nazism and Communism, in their totalitarianism and collectivism, share “close proximity.” (p.2 – 3)

                • John Q. Public

                  @ Test

                  I was finally able to post the Jewish Encyclopedia entry on “Torah.” See my Nov 10, 7:53am post in the “Ferguson Cops Expect Riots” thread.

                  It is not the only source explaining the extensive NON-biblical content of “Torah.” It is convenient because it is quite complete and quite succinct. In literature NOT intended for goyische outsiders, it is easy to find references to “Torah” that make quite clear that Torah encompasses all I have named, not just Old Testament (Torah She Bich Tav). O can provide many proof texts, but who knows if they will pass “moderation”? If you see rabbis quoting Old Testament, you can be sure of the “context”—only when they are trying to seek donations or curry favor from gullible and ignorant “Christians.”

                  As for your conjecture about “a category mistake,” be assured that ONLY the tiny minority (about 24,000 worldwide) of Karaites restrict themselves to “Written Torah” (Torah She Bich Tav)—ONLY Karaites categorically reject the “Oral Torah” (Talmud, etc.) and, contrary to the rest of organized Jewry, categorically reject the supremacy of Oral Torah (Talmud, etc.) over the Word of God.

                  Further—”Israel” requires Karaites to CONVERT in order to exercise their “right of return.” So, for the “Jewish” state, belief in only the Word of God and rejecting rabbis who claim they can overrule God with their traditions and pilpul puts the Karaites OUTSIDE of Judaism.

                  As for Hitler, I reject ALL Master Race creeds, Judaism, KKK, Nazism, etc. Similarly I reject ALL Communist and derivative (socialist) creeds, so I have little interest in Hitler, though I do have great interest in historical truth.

                • John Q. Public

                  “…Right. I forgot. Only Jews are capable of evil, …”

                  This a a straw man, a classical error of dishonest illogic. NOBODY here advanced the premise that “Only Jews are capable of evil.”

                  In my experience, that straw man (or the ritual “anti-semite” curse, a classical ad hominem) is usually advanced when the debater is bankrupt, has no meaningful rebuttal, is grasping at straws, hoping to change the subject, and is too proud to admit their defeat. You may have some basic Hebrew under your belt, but you are flat out wrong about what Judaism includes as Torah (“Law”).

                  You have been a gentleman so far. Please do not throw that away by engaging in straw man arguments.

            • badpuppydog

              He obviously was refering to the TALMUD instead of the TORAH based on the quotes..those are out of the Talmud…John Q. just miss typed.

              • John Q. Public

                Not a typo… the Talmud is part of the Torah SheBeal Peh (“Oral Torah”) that Judaism teaches supersedes the Word of God, the Old Testament, what the rabbis call Torah She Bich Tav (“Written Torah”).

                I am still trying to post a quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia on this, but so far multiple attempts have failed.

                • badpuppydog

                  oh..ok..just trying to help :>)

                • John Q. Public

                  …and I appreciated your help !!!

                  An understanding of what Judaism calls “Torah” is key.

                  On one hand the rabbis pretend to goyim that they are the old, wise, and trustworthy arbiters of the Old Testament, so foolish anti-Popes refer to them as “Elder Brothers in the Faith” as if the rabbis don’t have an anti-Christ agenda.

                  Meanwhile amongst themselves, the rabbis insist that the Old Testament is fit only for women and children and that the “Oral Torah” nullifies the commandments of God based on the pill and phony loopholes of the rabbis. “The zaddikim (famous rabbis) decree and God obeys!”—What diabolical megalomania.

                  Furthering their deception, the rabbis pretend that their “Hebrew Bible” is older than the New Testament, but that is a lie. By the time of the Incarnation of Jesus, there was NO complete set of Hebrew scriptures. Their only complete set of Scripture was the GREEK Septuagint. The “Hebrew Bible” is a bowdlerized mis-translation of the Septuagint. The Masorette translators didn’t complete the much-vaunted “Hebrew Bible”until the tenth century AFTER Jesus Christ. In the millennia since Jesus’ Incarnation, Passion, Crucifixion, and Resurrection, the Masorettes laid a heavy hand to mistranslate their “Hebrew Bible” to dethrone Jesus, eliminating prophetic passages that pointed to Jesus as Messiah.

                  It is important to penetrate the lies of the rabbis lest good people are led astray.

                • John Q. Public

                  auto-spell-check error: “pill” should be “pilpul.”

              • TEST

                I understand your insults Mr.Puppy Dog. Unfortunately your points don’t make any sense, and in fact are consistent with the hatred you seem to put on a lot of people. Nor do your cut/paste comments from Voltaire, Gen. Sherman, Napoleon.They PROVE nothing, other than people have historically have hated Jews, and other minorities. In fact, they are simply a logical non sequitur.

                As I have noted, it is only fact that matter; education may be a factor, and does establish a baseline bona fide, but nothing more. You are mistaken there as well relative to what I wrote.

                In sum, as I noted with your other frantic anti-Semite POG, I will leave both reading and replying to your comments, as they are utterly illogical and filled with venom and hate to, it seems, everyone you encounter, unless they agree 100% with you. You have not responded – nor can you – to the comments on Chinese being the Jews of the East, or even the Scottish Presbyterians in Montreal being considered exactly the same by the French. Nor have you had the intellectual integrity to address, as just one quote from your dear leader Adolf Hitler, this: “There is more that binds us to Boshevism than separates us from it… I have always made allowances for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once.”

                Bonne chance et au revoir. I trust at some point you will learn to question more deeply, and refrain from hateful remarks – it only illustrates how shallow your arguments really are

                • John Q. Public

                  “…logical non sequitur…”

                  You’ll appreciate that a “logical non sequitur” is an oxymoron, something akin to a “logical illogic.” Good for a chuckle 🙂

                • John Q. Public

                  The tenor of the discussion is declining. At this point I see the recent posts invoke:

                  (1) a straw man (“only Jews are evil”);
                  (2) an oxymoron (“logical non-sequitur”); and
                  (3) an ad hominem (accusing your opponents of being “haters”).

                  As I said above, this is usually an indication that the debater is now shooting blanks.

                  • badpuppydog

                    TEST <<<< OUTTED AS " JOE BLOW-ME " and has zero credibility now.

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Test:

              Here Test, I will throw out a couple of quotes for you to think about….

              The Jew, Lunacharsky, Lenin’s Soviet Peoples Commissar of Enlightment wrote “We hate Christianity and Christians. Even the best of them must be regarded as our worst enemies. They preach love of ones neighbor and mercy which is contrary to our principles. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with the love of ones neighbor. We need hatred, only then shall we conquer the universe.”

              and….

              On October 9, 1920 while Trotsky was still head of the Red Army and laying waste to old Russia, an article in the American Hebrew, published in New York stated, “What Jewish idealism and discontent so powerfully contributed to accomplishing in Russia, the same historic qualities of the Jewish mind and heart are tending to promote in other countries”. In other words, what the Jewish Bolsheviks had done to Russia, they were working assiduously to do to Europe.

              And….

              Vladimer Lenin said “we Bolsheviks are going to bring the Social Revolution as much TO AMERICA as to Europe. It is coming systematically, step by step. The struggle will be long, cruel, and sanguinary (bloody). What matters the loss of 90% by executions if 10% of Communists remain to carry on the Revolution. Bolshevism is not a seminary for young ladies. All children should be present at the executions and rejoice at the deaths of the enemies of the Proletariat”.

              So much for the Judeo-Christianity being foisted on the US and promoted through the mega churches from preachers with those marvelous grad degrees you are so proud of, Test. You study anything about the Russian Revolution while getting that education?

              May I suggest you read The Myth of German Villainy by Benton Bradley at books dot google.com/books

              In this book Solzhenitsyn exposes the Jewish nature of the Russian Revolution….If Americans do not wake up, and soon, the atrocities written about in this book are coming to our shores. Atrocities committed on people so horrible that only a relative of Satan could possibly have committed them.

              From the book…..”the deliberate destruction of Germany during the second World War can only be compared to the Roman destruction of ancient Carthage and it was done for the same reason–to destroy a commercial rival. The official history of WWI and WWII, the story we learned in school, is a MYTH.”

              • Hunter

                Very well stated, Granny…awesome/truthful post!

              • badpuppydog

                well done granny

              • TEST

                POG,

                I think we are agreed and I appreciate the quotes. Real keepers. My contention is that the despicable, vile, utterly evil Bolshevism, which involved a disproportionate % of Jews, may have had its genesis in them trying to eliminate pogroms, etc., and then furthered by a NON-Jewish atheism by secular Jews that – think comments by Trotsky, etc. here – sought to bring a **socialist** heaven on earth. Which as Bill Gross of Pimco says, always bring a HELL on earth (just look at the $20 TRILLION we have now spent on the War on Poverty, or where Detroit – the first city to adopt the War on Poverty’s Model Cities programme – is today.

                Again, I do not conflate Judaism – specifically and only as found in the Old Testament, which all Christians consider Holy Scripture – with the Talmud, secular Jews who have done so much to destroy America and freedom, etc. I also don’t equate all Italians with mafioso, or all Mexicans with illegal line jumping aliens.

                I also do not consider Nazism or Hitler some mis-understood hero. One poster here asked us to look at http://www.thegreateststorynevertold.tv, which tries to exonerate Hitler. I watched most of it. Many good points, but also some egregious inaccuracies. Read the planks the Nazis adopted in Munich, Feb. 1920. They are explicitly socialist. And if you think socialism actually works, then I have a bridge to sell you… in the People’s Socialist Dytopia of Kalifornia. And if you agree with the fascist dictum (Mussolini) of of “All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” and “The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. For Fascism the State is absolute, individuals and groups relative” then we really have no further discussion, for I categorically find that statement revolting.

                • John Q. Public

                  We are not conflating Talmud (Oral Torah) and Old Testament (Written Torah). We are merely pointing out a simple, though not very widely known (among Gentiles) fact: For >>> Jews<<< Torah includes a lot more than Old Testament.

                  Further, your "Old Testament is the only type of Torah" error is an error is akin to saying that "Chevrolet is the only manufacturer of cars."

                  At this point you have enough leads to research this for yourself. No need for further spoon-feeding.

              • TEST

                POG,

                Your Trotsky quote, “What Jewish idealism….” Are you saying Trotsky spoke for all Judaism? Really? If so, probably no need for further discussion.

                Yes, many Jews have taken a horrible turn away from God and truth. But as I look around N. America today, are us gentiles really THAT far behind??

                And yes, POG, I have read extensively not only Solzhenitsyn, but also Dostoyevski, Tolstoy and others Russia writer. In fact, Brothers Karamozov is my all time fav book, so please do not worry there! And since you know Solzhenitsyn, you will know that one of his most famous quotes is that “the line between good and evil runs through EACH of our own individual hearts” – referring to his time in the gulag. I would be more than happy to discuss, in MINUTE detail, the genesis and evolution of the evil, vile, horrific Boshevik revolution, and the equally evil, vile, horrific Nazi revolution.

                I have no idea what you are referring to about about mega-preachers/ churches. Not my cup of tea. Rather, I am merely trying to espouse what the bulk of all Christians have believed throughout history. I have absolutely zero to do with mega churches that preach a “prosperity gospel” – if, in fact, that is what you are referring to.

                Finally, a graduate degrees mean nothing, other than providing a bit of a bona fide on an internet full of unformed people. I provide that by way of giving some background, not as “pride,” just so you know. Pride surely does go before a fall. And, as Orwell himself said, nothing is so absurd that some academic won’t accept it. Rather, facts stand on their own merit, as I am sure you will agree. One fact you might want to review is that Germany was not destroyed as Carthage was. In fact, Carthage (Carthago delende est! – see G. Picard, one of the experts on the subject) was not even inhabited (generally speaking), if I recall correctly, for centuries afterwards.

                I will grant you, tho, that people like Al “Bomber” Harris of the RAF was criminal in targeting German civilians.

                I advocate for freedom and human dignity; Nazism and Boshevism – both collectivist in nature – were two sides of the same evil coin.

                • TEST

                  Errata:
                  others Russia writer – change to “other Russian writers”
                  a graduate degrees – remove “a”
                  full of unformed people – change to “uninformed”

                  You will note I did NOT do a degree in typing or proof-reading!!!

                  • badpuppydog

                    TEST <<<< OUTTED AS " JOE BLOW-ME " and has zero credibility now.

              • Rebel in Idaho

                If you have the time go reread Daniel and Revelation. The atrocities are coming for sure.

          • ENFP

            john p, Torah is the Word of God, Talmud was written by Pharisees.

            • John Q. Public

              That is your definition. That is NOT the rabbis’ definition.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          FreeSlave. Once again when America intervenes into other people business, it comes back to bite us. We should have let Hitler run the board, and exterminated all the Jews. We would not be having this NWO FED RAPE problem today.

          Same as when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1980 to rid the evil Taliban, but once again America injects itself into other peoples business and Armed the Taliban to fight Russia, Well we are all aware of the costly 13 year war we have been fighting, the same crowd we should have let Russia Exterminate. Out Government never learns, does it.

          • Ms.X

            Our gov never learns. Either do you wwti

            • Anonymous

              Ms.X…This site is for exchanging ideas and freely. Just curious if your name is related to some form of X rated stuff?

          • Ever Vigilant

            WWT, You just voided ANY respect for your comments with that opening statement…….Would love to meet you on the street

            • Anonymous

              WHY you are angry Ever Vig?

            • Anonymous

              EV Here I am, come get some coward.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              EV. Come and get me cochroach. I’ll show you my Easy Bake Oven.

            • Anonymous

              Meet you on the street? Why? Are you a street walker? lol

              • Ever Vigilant

                Well I expected the lowlifes to come out with the name calling and the down votes hiding behind their keyboards. I live in the Lakes region of NH and I would be more than happy to arrange a meeting with anybody that thinks I’m a coward…I’m a Family man, a gourmet cook who uses real double ovens!I build lakeside homes and am a card carrying “Lifetime Member” OathKeeper and I will back this mouth up with ANYBODY…Nobody has ever called me a coward, to my face at least…they know better. If your the caliber of people WWT. and Anon. that are on here then I guess I don’t need to waste my time here. BTW, Mac I check your site 3-4 times a day and think your site is great. Guess I just won’t read the comments anymore….another BTW MOS 03/17

                • Anonymous

                  Go back to bed or the woods Mr. Fake Oath keeper. We don’t argue with idiots for long.

          • FreeSlave

            “We should have let Hitler run the board, and exterminated all the Jews.”

            You’re not a Christian, and therefore, don’t know how utterly silly such a notion is with regards to Scripture and God’s promises to His (oftentimes stiff-necked) people.

            The positive aspect of your statement is that it reveals that you are not a Holocaust Denier.

            • Anonymous

              But FreeSlave loves to see little babies and women being massacred by the Chris killers?

            • John Q. Public

              You mean God’s promises like these?

              Keep ye my ordinances and my judgments, and do not any of these abominations: neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you. For all these detestable things the inhabitants of the land have done, that; were before you, and have defiled it. Beware then, lest in like manner, it vomit you also out, if you do the like things, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. Every soul that shall commit any of these abominations, shall perish from the midst of his people. Keep my commandments. Do not the things which they have done, that have been before you, and be not defiled therein. I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 18:26-30

              axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
              cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
              condemned Mark 16:16
              cut down Matthew 3:10
              in vain do they worship Me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
              judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
              shall be broken Matthew 21:44
              shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
              the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
              woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
              wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
              your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
              you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

              • badpuppydog

                John q… fantastic post..i love how you listed all the scripture to back it up.

              • TEST

                I submit, again, JQP, that you are making a category mistake.

                With all respect, if this is so, then any number of texts does not get to the *presuppositions* you are making. I would also respectfully submit, if I may, that you are doing what is calling “proof texting.” As you know, Scripture interprets Scripture, and all verses must ALWAYS be taking in full context – just as you wish your own words to be.

                Again, I submit this to you with complete respect – I hope I am not coming across in an insensitive manner!!!

                • Hunter

                  -(to kosher-speak)-TEST–>

                  ..Nice strategy/tactics hymie!

                  ..per your classic distortion of cherry-picking scripture & self-adjudicated / self-sanctioned analysis of said scripture, per your tribal bias…

                  …so as to confuse & confound, the un-initiated..whilst muddying the waters,..so as those who’re valiantly seeking…the truth…must wade thru reams of false satanic/judeo-dogmas…prior to crossing the ‘end-zone/Rubicon of 21st century talmud-think’…

                  ——————–

                  ..funny how so few today realize that…those of your ilk…do not believe in the participation of a free thought society…as you seek to undermine its principals of..independent thought & the sharing of documented historical truths…per a biblical context, sans the gospel side of the dialog!

                  ———————

                  I acknowledge…that your type & its mainstream accepted/worship hierarchical status…is a given, nowadays…and the rebutting truths posited by John Q / Granny & others..are derided…ofttimes!

                  …yet, in the end…it will be revealed to all…that your type and those whom you…suck up to…do NOT control empires / nations or mega-corps etc…..

                  …you/they merely…

                  …contaminate them!!!!!!!

                • John Q. Public

                  “Out of context” ???!!!

                  Nonsense. Those proof texts are completely in context.

                  The whole of the Bible is about salvation history. The “context” of the Old Testament in salvation history is the prophesies of the coming Messiah and the disobedience of the Israelite nation. The “context” of the New Testament is Jesus’ fulfillment of the prophesies and the Israelite nation’s rejection and judicial murder of the prophesied Messiah. Both the Old and New Testaments are replete with God’s judgments against them. There is nothing “out of context” about the verses I provided.

                  I am so amused by your claim, a claim that echoes the rabbis when they are called on the wickedness in their “holy” books that I am reminded of the following passage as a rebuttal to phony “out of contact” claims:

                  “‘Context’ is everything for the defenders of the Talmud. Fair enough. But by ‘context’ they do not mean taking into account the surrounding text, but rather submitting to Judaism’s own narrative about itself, which includes how it presents problem texts to non-Judaic audiences…. The rabbis even deny in many cases that there is a plain meaning…. It is enough that [the rabbi] states it and gentiles believe it; anything else is ‘antisemitic.’ This pattern of intimidation and thought control is repeated with monotonous effect, by thought cops and apologists for Judaism. It is a stock response intended to frighten off the opposition, premised mainly on the moral authority of the declarative sentences used by the ‘expert’ on Judaism. Debate (‘polemic’) on the part of informed skeptics is not permitted, since it constitutes the ‘misuse’ of a scholar’s knowledge of rabbinic texts. Debating tactics and polemical tools are reserved solely for rabbis and their allies, along with just a dash of permissible dissimulation to leaven the burden of swallowing the pottage. And when deception and ‘out of context’ statements serve to advance Judaism, they are all well and good….”

                  Michael Hoffman, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition, and Deceit. ISBN 13: 9780970378453 pages 137-138

          • badpuppydog

            whowudda <<< gets it

            • badpuppydog

              wait a minute fuck that last statement..maybe he doesn’t get it.

          • PKLL

            WWTI: Wow….you’re an idiot…

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              I’ve already Identified the Parasites in our Country. Now call in the Orkin Man and Let er’ Rip!!!!

          • ENFP

            wwti, our government needed the taliban as their excuse for depriving us of our rights.

        • Cara

          You say the Supreme Court has 6 Catholics but my question is do they practice their faith?—Biden, Pelosi et all claim to be Catholic but they mean that they were born into a Catholic family. Pelosi can’t even make a coherent sentence using the name of Jesus so she is not Catholic. Based on the actions of many others in the government, they are Catholic by birth only. That is not Catholic. It is not a birthright, it is a daily practice and a mindset. You can’t say you are Catholic and then daily work against Christs’ very words and directives. Catholic is Christian which means a follower of Christ. Based on their actions which judge goes to church weekly or more often, works and votes Christian?

          • Pissed Off Granny

            Cara:

            Excellent post. Facts are not to be bothered with it seems.

          • JRS

            Joe Biden may claim to be Catholic, but he has also professed to being a Zionist.

            In 1973, in the office of then Israeli prime minister Golda Meir, Biden claimed “I am a Zionist. You do not have to be jewish to be a Zionist.”

            And so his career, like many other dual citizens that crowd the halls of DC, has flourished.

            • Anonymous

              JRS,,,My apologies.I incorrectly stated “you might be wrong” rather than my true intention of saying “you are absolutely correct” and provided the link to proof your accuracy about Uncle Joe. This is related to my earlier post since I donut know what order they might be appearing.
              God Bless.

            • Pissed Off Granny

              JRS:

              Posters here need only put in their search engine “Joe Biden, I am a Zionist” to verify what you have written.

            • badpuppydog

              I heard Joe Biden is a Jesuit in addition to being a zionist. anyone else heard this?

              • Anonymous

                Hey BPD.. Check the link above.

                • badpuppydog

                  k

          • FreeSlave

            You say the Supreme Court has 6 Catholics but my question is do they practice their faith?

            I’m fairly confident that Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito are fairly faithful Catholics. With regards to Holy Communion, their bishops or local parish clergy have all seen fit to allow them to partake of the Holy Eucharist.

            Pelosi, Biden, Sebellius, Ted Kennedy when he was still alive, all pro-choice, pro-gay marriage Catholic politicians all still partake of the Elements.

            • John Q. Public

              Do you really think that Scalia’s infatuation with the Talmud (documented above) is consistent with practicing the Catholic Faith?

              Remember that the “Oral Torah” (Torah SheBeal Peh includes the Talmud) teaches that Jesus was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a, 107b], was a “mamzer” [bastard] conceived adulterously in “niddah” [menstrual filth] by a Roman soldier named Pandera [Kallah 51a] of a whore [Sanhedrin 106a] and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces and, in some editions because Jesus is accused of sexual perversion, semen [Gittin 57a]. Schafer documents much more, including the Talmud claim that the Sanhedrin justly executed Jesus because he was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a, 107b] who worshipped a brick [Sanhedrin 67a], even boasting that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the execution of Jesus [Sanhedrin 43a].

              Do you really think a practicing Catholic would be infatuated with that set of Toledot Yeschu teachings? …that a practicing Catholic would sit at the feet of rabbis who teach such filth and genocide: “Kill even the best of the Gentiles”?

              • John Q. Public

                @ Free Slave

                You mentioned that, as a Catholic watcher, you thought well of Ratzinger. I mentioned the Toledot Yeschu. There is a nexus, one you and millions of others have missed.

                Ratzinger was great pals with the Chief Rabbi of Rome Riccardo Di Segni. Di Segni republished the Toledot Yeschu, the perverse, yet “orthodox,” tract mocking and blaspheming Jesus (see the post above).

                The Toledot Yeschu was republished under the insulting and deceptive title “Il vangelo del ghetto” (“The Gospel of the Ghetto”), subtitled “storie di Gesù” (the history of Jesus) and described as “leggende e documenti della tradizione medievale ebraica” (legends and documents of the medieval Jewish tradition).

                http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2620845M/vangelo_del_ghetto

                The Vatican has a huge worldwide spy and intelligence gathering apparatus. Do you think that Ratzinger was ignorant of Di Segni spreading Judaic blasphemies about Jesus? Do you think a real Catholic Pope would have been publicly silent about such vile blasphemies, blasphemies typical of the pornographers’ tribe, just to curry favor with the synagogue?

                I think not. Ratzinger was and still is a cowardly modernist heretic, a “retired” anti-Pope, just another German cowed by HoloHoax brainwashing.

          • badpuppydog

            Pelosi is a CRYPTO-JEW posing as a catholic….harry reid is a crypto-jew posing as a mormon

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Goes to show you how Religion Screws up our country.

            Riddle: What do you get with you mix 6 Catholics and 3 Jews together? Obama Care.

        • Anonymous

          Free Slave……FYI.

          Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him.
          And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form.
          Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.
          -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

          • Hunter

            Anonymous–>

            “…Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.
            -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

            ——————————-

            Funny, that you should choose such a quotation…especially, after almost 6 decades of rampant 24/7/365 non-stop, vilification of said author…

            Well..be that…what it may.

            ————————-

            But in the long run…methinks, the same group he railed against / resisted,….have been “pissin on our heads & tellin’ us its raining since 1913 (see the tribal-owned FED, for details)”…

            ..and since an awakening is beginning to manifest itself..all across cyber-space…and even unto the blue-collar eateries of Joe Lunchbucket…well, let’s just assume the self-chosen are getting a bit nervous!

            ———————-

            Which means, we must step up our game a notch or two…or else.

            …’cuz smart / nervous jews worry about their past endeavors…you know, too many dead bodies, too much wealth ripped-off…too much warfare and dead / maimed gentile kids, for their sole benefit…and too much free-trade / job losses, at the expense of (gentile)Joe Lunchbucket and his family!

            ———————-

            ..gotta look out for more ‘false-flags’ coming…’cuz they’ve been forced to turn over / reveal…too many cards, per their gamble, to institute / shove..their so called New world Order…down our throats…

            …whilst relieving us(gentiles) of monies and hard-earned assets…to pay for it all……!!!

            ————————-

            ..and one can actually “hear” their ongoing mechanization’s to fleece and loot this country..despite the blather of their-owned syndicated op-ed news outlets and buckets of spilled ink, per their newspapers…

            …if you listen closely…you’ll hear it!

            ..it sounds like the scurry of rat feet…across a barren, looted floor!

            • Anonymous

              Well stated Hunter. Amen brother.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Europe beggs for another Hitler right now. The EU people in the streets Rioting are at war with The NWO. The MSM sure isn’t going to t ell you this. But I will and the hundreds of videos and alternative news sources are if you look. The ZOG is going to get Crushed.

          • John Q. Public

            @ Free Slave

            Actually the synagogue of Satan is divided on what they believe about the afterlife.

            Some believe there is no afterlife. Some believe that only Jews can go to Heaven. Some believe in reincarnation (search “gilgul”).

            • CrazyOnYou

              “synagogue of Satan” sounds like a heavy metal band.

            • Rebel in Idaho

              Many Southern Baptists believe that only we will go to heaven too. That’s why were passing around the offering plate right now to construct a giant wall so we don’t have to share heaven with the rest of y’all.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Remember the Jew Shill Grafique that posted on this site last summer. Spreading his tribal crap. He too was a chosen one, to be beheaded. His head is still rolling around in some goat field used in sport as a ball.

          • Anonymous

            WWT..I remember him. Also we had another one named Barn Cat…Maybe they changed their names. Even they may got married at the Barn doing some Grafique tribal production.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Yean, Barn Cat still rides the edge. Many come to this site and many others as paid shills to sway the conversation to boost Pro-Israeli image. They confirm each others statements and try to bring on more shills.

              Here read this article. Its a few years old but you get the point.

              Israel hires army of bloggers to fight image war
              http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/20/64654.html

              More than one million Israelis who speak a second language have been recruited to monitor blogs in English, French, German, and Spanish and more are to be recruited for Portuguese and Russian blogs, Erez Halfon, director general of the Immigrant Absorption Ministry, told the Israeli daily Haaretz Monday.

              The massive civilian casualties during the Gaza war coupled with an ongoing humanitarian crisis and international condemnation of Israel’s human rights violations has created a public diplomacy nightmare for the Jewish state.

              The ministry launched the initiative to encourage people respond to criticism directed against Israel and Zionism, according to the reports, and provide a pro-Israel perspective.

        • TEST

          Non-violence is the path forward. We desperatley need to ***educate and communicate****. The real battle is to address the issue articulated by Charleton Heston below, all of us, in whatever way you are gifted:

          “Modern media fills the cultural airwaves with a mist of anesthesia, so that principles and values are slowing desensitized to the coming onslaught. The new culture arrives on the heels of this propaganda. It simply moves in and takes over, like slipping a find new glove over a numbed hand. The
          outcome of the war is just as devastating, but without the bombs bursting, twisted bodies to bury, or
          rubble to rebuild. A new class, a different culture, simply takes over.”

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Non violence does not do Jack shit. They will listen to Bullets and Bayonetes coming at them.

            • CrazyOnYou

              “Bullets and Bayonetes”, that’s an all-girl band.

          • Pissed Off Granny

            First and foremost we need to find and tell the truth.

            What do you think Charleton Heston was trying to tell you, test?

            What is that new class and culture that is invading our churches, communities, MSM, government?????? It certainly isn’t Christianity, now is it?

        • Night Breaker

          AE ,
          This ones for you to develope your critical thinking skills ,

          http://www.amren.com/features/2014/10/the-decline-of-western-man-and-woman/

          Should answer some of your questions , I think you are capable of redemption you just need some guidance . In the coming festivities we will all count , you are capable of far more than you think . Many years ago I was where you are , many years from now you will be where I am now.
          Between the span of years Learn , understand , act, in the end our only rewards are what we stand for , helping others , doing the right thing even when no one is watching . The only thing we take from this world is our integrity , knowledge and works . Life is short what we do here lasts for all eternity. Eternity is a long time . life is deep and rewarding but only if you listen , see and understand , in the silence you can hear what speaks . We will all be tested do not be found wanting .

          Semper Fi 8541

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Nothing Affordable about ObamaScare

      • Americanism

        I wonder how many illegals would leave the country if there wasn’t any free stuff left. ALL OF THEM….. Now that is what I call transparency.

      • sixpack

        This is just smoke and mirrors, meant to distract us from something else. The very fact that any MSM has produced this means it serves their agenda…nothing more will come of it once the smoke clears.

        Then we’ll find out what was really going on.

      • Stan522

        Wouldn’t this be ironic that the Supreme court kills this atrocity and the new Congress that will be sworn in come January will watch it die as is, with no resurrection. They will also have to threaten this turd POTUS with action if he tried Executive Orders to fix it.

      • 41MagMan

        @PC Sux… indeed so. What do we call the invalidation of Obamunist Care? A good start! Additional progress can be made via congress investigating all of the people in the US Fed Gov for their illegal activities of the past 6+ years. Trials, convictions, and prison soon to follow.

    2. kilroy

      The only way this will happen is if the SCOTUS ignores all legal precedent due to party bias…..that’s what they’ve become known for though.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Off Topic. Watch your Kids Folks – Close Call here.
        Utah father foils intruder’s attempt to kidnap daughter from home
        Suspect was in family’s basement searching through things, when he came upon the five-year-old girl sleeping in her bedroom. A Utah dad foiled an attempt to kidnap his young daughter from her bed early Friday after confronting a man carrying her across the lawn.
        Link: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/07/utah-father-foils-daughter-kidnap

        • CrazyOnYou

          Like Elizabeth Smart …

    3. The Prophet

      It passed the Supreme Court as a tax, not as healthcare. It needs to go. Take some of the middlemen out of healthcare and get the cost down. Secure the borders and quit paying for healthcare for the worlds poor. We can’t afford it.

      • Sierra Dave

        I always wondered how Obama can legally exempt poeple from paying this tax.

        • Calgagus

          Since it passed as a tax and now SCOTUS has to review Obamacare has something that involves subsidies, wont that just render the law null and void? Ever hear of people or corporations getting subsidies on taxes owed? I knw there are deductions and loopholes but this is all over subsidies. If its a tax, how can it be viewed as a legal instrument/law that requires subsidies. Dont make sense.

          • hammerhead

            CAL , Thats what i thought.
            But if you look at Ocare as the socialist progam that it is (as the GOV does ) then its not a leap to say we must be taxed for government programs .
            In my mind this law is not really individual healthcare except as represented to us .

          • JRS

            I suppose the subsidy could be compared to another tax subsidy program called the Earned Income Credit. Whereby many low income earners actually get back more in refunds than they paid in.

    4. Anonymous

      The “APE ZOG” affordable crap act was nothing but an insurance reengineering by the ZOG owned insurance companies. Supreme court may change it, may destroy it and replaced it and so on but such acts is not based on helping the Americans. It would be about saving /making $ for the tribe and the 1%ers. Let the red thumbs flow now.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Anon. Yes it is Amazing how just 2.1% of the American Population can create so much hardship chaos and destruction toour people and country. Its the typical classic Parasite /Host Menace.

        • Rebel in Idaho

          It’s not quite as amazing as black males between 16-49yo, around 3% of our population, committing over 50% of the violent crime.

          Anyone care to wager that black males will rape over 20000 white women next year and that white males will rape less than 10 black women? I’ll even give you 3 to 1 odds as long as no hispanics are counted in the “white” numbers.

    5. David

      The Supremes can now do what is RIGHT, without fear of retribution from the antichrist, now that his fangs have been TRIMMED by the GOP taking over the Senate.

      • Anonymous

        David, the issue is the Supremes were selected by the same system.

        • David

          True, but Obozo had a grip on them, now not so much. His fangs have been filed down. My point.

    6. TEST

      I am a dual US/Canadian citizen, and have lived half my adult life under both systems.

      Really? Are people in the US THAT stupid to adopt socialized medicine? Anyone smart enough to ask why Nancy Pelosi exempted HERSELF, her cronies and her district from her OWN legislation?

      But here, let me give you a hint. Death panels – using some euphemism – ARE coming. Just ask Ezekiel Emmanuel, who recently advocated not living past 75.

      Here is a headline from the Vancouver Sun, WHERE THEY ARE CUTTING OFF 6,000 PEOPLE WITH CRITICAL ISSUES, ***JUST LEAVIGN THEM TO DIE***

      B.C. Liberals to cut over 6,000 surgeries
      financialpost.com

      ·
      Tuesday, Aug. 11, 2009
      VANCOUVER — Vancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures will wait longer for care as their health authority prepares to cut over 6,000 surgeries under the B.C.

      Truth is, a good portion of these people will DIE for horribly delayed or never rendered treatment. Great way to save money.

      • badpuppydog

        ” I’m a duel American / Israeli citizen..oopsy…did I say that out loud” Test 2014

        • the renegade braveheart

          BPD, TEST said ‘dual US/Canadian’. I read his post.

          • badpuppydog

            Braveheart i know that kind sir..i was just making a little fun of him. :>)

            • TEST

              I can take shots! No worries! 🙂 Hey, I’m *married*, so I had BETTER to be take a few upper cuts! 🙂

              (Tho, seriously, I have the best wife on the planet)

              • badpuppydog

                Test you sly devil you…gotcha a woman over there.

      • John W.

        I bet if some of the 6,000 who are going to die anyway start to pay late night visits to the homes of these liberals that big changes will come real fast.

        • Hunter

          John W.–>

          You know, I’ve always thought that the ‘guy’ who’ll kick-off the revolution…will be one who has six months to live…and whose only dependent eats purina!

          ..he’ll be very selective, per his target…but there will be no mistaking his intent..or his reasoning.

          His success will galvanize others and lay waste to the belief that…the elite are invulnerable.

          ..GOD speed, to such a man!

      • Babycatcher55

        It was inevitable, that in order to cut costs, some people would be left untreated. coming to a doctors office near you…..

        • Rebel in Idaho

          For most people 70% of their healthcare dollars will be spent in the last year of life. I work in the healthcare field, learned this in school, confirmed it repeatedly from multiple sources, and then observed it in 20 years of practice.

          If we could save anywhere close to 70% of our healthcare dollars by pulling the plug on grandpa 1 year earlier does anyone here think our government wouldn’t do it?

    7. TEST

      Mark Steyn reports (Imprimus, Jan. 2008) on a Canadian woman was giving birth in Dec. 2007 to extremely rare identical quadruplets, four girls. Unfortunately, to give delivery, the mother had to be flown 500 kilometres to the Benefice Hospital in Great Falls MT., as there was no space available in Canadian neonatal intensive care units. Yes, this is the same Canada that is a G-7 economy with 30 million people, that apparently can’t handle what a semi-rural Montana town of 50,000 can. The same country where you will wait 6 months for an MRI, a year for a hip replacement, and more – unless, of course, you are Hilary! Then, as with the Clintons putting Chelsea in private schools, not public, when they were in power, some of us are – as Orwell famously put it – “more equal” than others.

      Personally, when we moved to the US, my wife – who has breast cancer in her family – had a lump. From the time it was found, operated on, biopsied and clean bill of health was about 28 hours. We have a friend in Ottawa, ON., exact same age, risk factors, etc. It took her THREE MONTHS to get the pathology report. Both were benign, thank God. But if they weren’t three months of cancer cells migrating throughout one’s body?

      Yeah, more “compassionate socialism.” What a joke

      • hammerhead

        I have freinds in Quebec , they have some medical isssues in their family and regularly travel to Michigan for medical needs .
        Where the hell are WE gonna go ?
        They can afford to do that , i sure as hell cant.

        • ENFP

          My brother-in-law lives in the Czech Republic. His grandson had to go to the emergency room where he lives in the US for an object stuck in his eye. His dad figured it would have been cheaper to take a round trip and get treatment in the Czech Republic than that emergency room treatment cost. But, of course, emergencies require immediate treatment.

      • Smokey

        Just across the border here in White Rock, B.C., are a good dozen pharmacies, they cater to the US citizens crossing the line to get low-cost medications. Some stuff is Over The Counter in Canada, in the US a prescription is required.

        Busloads of folks cross for a day of shopping. Get a breakfast, fill your prescriptions, then come home.

        There is a stream of folks from Canada coming down here to use US medical care, they don’t have to wait nearly as long as they would at home.

        So it’s pretty much reciprocal, seems like.

        • TEST

          Smokey – I used to live in Kits, up at UBC, and then in Nanaimo, so howdy! In the US now.

          The pharma industry in the US is corrupt, and Canada is too small for them to bother with, that’s how prices in Canada are better there. But you must remember the 6,000 the liberals left to die? My first wife – who is no longer around due to a brain tumour missed in Vancouver – had the cancer missed ultimately due to the system being bankrupt.

          Finally, if people would use generics in the US, they could cut costs incredibly. But most docs and patients follow the brand name scam.

          Besides, America is the most drugged nation on earth. If people ate right, exercised, etc., I’d bet half the drugs wouldn’t be needed. And don’t even get me started on Ritalin, SSRIs, on adolescents and even young children – the REAL cause of all those high school shootings, etc.

      • John Q. Public

        Too many people believe that the “medical system” has failed in its purpose.

        Certainly the “cover story” is that the medical system is here to help you, but depopulation, then looting and enslaving the survivors is the real purpose.

        Connect the dots. The “medical system” is day by day becoming more successful for the Master Race elite.

      • Rebel in Idaho

        Test, as a healthcare professional who has been happily married for over 15 years I can recommend:
        1) Less reliance on mamograms for earlier detection
        2) Heavy reliance on at least daily breast examinations with some pretty intense palpitation and gyration combined with intense observation or changes since yesterday.

        Just trust me on this.

        • badpuppydog

          rebel..I volunteer to examine all the breasts if you need anyone.

    8. Thinker

      Scotus is bought and paid for, to the slaves misfortune.Just like the ZOG governments!!

    9. The Prophet

      Western rifle shooters blog has interesting articles for preppers and survivalists today.

    10. TEST

      Canadian healthcare facts, from a Canadian citizen:

      Note:Leftist trolls please do not read any facts below. You might have to actually THINK outside your “Yes we can” chant controller’s permitting

      Canada’s Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/28/international/americas/28canada.html. Fact is since healthcare is so horrible under the socalist system, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that private clinics could open – and people are flocking to them – including member of my own family.

      In Yarmouth, N.S., desperate citizens put name in lotto for family doctor http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060130/ca_pr_on_na/ns_doctor_lottery I own property in Nova Scotia. I know.

      VICTORIA (CP) – Private clinics on Vancouver Island are being asked to submit bids to perform operations normally done at public hospitals, a Vancouver Island Health Authority spokesman said on Thursday. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/12/09/775602-cp.html

      More on private clinics in Canada from PubMed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2645224/

      One report on private clinics had them opening one clinic a week. Wouldnt surprise me at all – http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/canuglytruth.html
      Interesting site of a vendor here: http://www.timelymedical.ca/ , with wait times below:

      Heck, even the co-opted, leftist LA Times has a clue!!
      http://articles.latimes.com/2009/sep/27/nation/na-healthcare-canada27

      NF. premier Danny Williams heart surgery – he is the premier of Newfoundland who went to the US for heart surgery a couple months ago. One link here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkup/2010/02/canadian_premier_has_heart_sur.html Excuse me, but if Canadian healthcare is so great, why did he go to the US????

      More on PRIVATE clinics opening up, due to the EPIC FAIL of socialized medicine. Canadian Independent Medical Clinics Assoc. is at http://www.cimca.ca/ New England Journal of Medicine article ttp://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/16/1661 or see the
      CBC article http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/healthcare/public_vs_private.html You can pretty much always trust CBC to be to the left of Pol Pot, of course!

      • the renegade braveheart

        TEST, in recent months I have been seeing construction of new clinics taking place in my area. Has anyone else noticed anything similar in their areas? Plus, we just recently had one hospital close its doors and file for bankruptcy.

        • TEST

          Non-violence is the path forward. We urgently need to ***educate and communicate****. The real battle is to address the issue articulated by Charleton Heston below, all of us, in whatever way you are gifted:

          “Modern media fills the cultural airwaves with a mist of anesthesia, so that principles and values are slowing desensitized to the coming onslaught. The new culture arrives on the heels of this propaganda. It simply moves in and takes over, like slipping a find new glove over a numbed hand. The
          outcome of the war is just as devastating, but without the bombs bursting, twisted bodies to bury, or
          rubble to rebuild. A new class, a different culture, simply takes over.”

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Fire and Brimstone will get their attention. What did MLK’ nonviolent approach get for the blacks? Besides just another 60 yrs of Welfare, drugs and prison.

          • Anonymous

            TEST….sadly the ZOG and its minions didn’t leave any other choices but a total violent reaction to save our lives. And by sadly I do mean it.

        • TEST

          Do you live in the Great White North? If so, where? Where are these clinics being built that you are seeing? SK? ON? Or is it the US. Despite my educational background, I automate hospitals for a living in both countries, and I have seen clinics in Canada going up, and have family using them.

          Here is the Canadian Supreme Court ruling (whose staff I have done computer training for) from June, 2005, stating bans on private health insurance are unconstitutional, viz. “The prohibition on obtaining private health insurance…. Is not constitutional where the public system fails to deliver reasonable service.”

          Obama ought to get a clue.

          Oh yes, did I mention the ***same*** company that created Obama’ dog’s breakfast of a website also did the Canadian long gun registry work? A FIVE BILLION dollar failure. No doubt, nor leftist Solyndra cronyism at work.

          If Mac lets me, I’ll do a whole piece on the absurdity of socialized medicine, as I automate hospitals for a living, and worked for long time for Swedish medical software company. The long story short is that SOCIALISM DESTROYS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES – LIVES, ECONOMIES, COUNTRIES, AND ALWAYS HAS. PERIOD, END OF STORY

          • Rebel in Idaho

            I’ve been considering doing one on antibiotics, usage, appropriate doses, and online availability without a prescription but haven’t figured out how to legally post it without it being medical advice.

            Infectious disease has always been one of my passions, even before school, and I so want to share some shtf knowledge and preps for meds. Any thoughts?

    11. The Prophet

      The Baltic Dry Index is going up fast. Christmas products have already been delivered. So what’s shipping? Some one is stocking up on coal and steel. Very large military training operations by everyone lately. Something coming?

      • Jeremy Alfsen

        Chinese trying to get money out of China while evading currency controls can do so by importing raw materials from companies they control. Given the low cost of most commodities these days, it would take a larger physical amount of imports to launder the same amount of money out of China.

      • The Old Coach

        The Dry Indices and rise just because one or more shipowners decided to pack it in. Fewer ships raises price.

    12. TEST

      Sorry to post so much, and so long, but this is an area, as a Canadian citizen, I happen to know IN DETAIL. More on the BS of socialized medicine

      =============================================================
      Here’s a guy from the UK: “In the last few years, I have had the opportunity to compare the human and veterinary health services of Great Britain, and on the whole, it is better to be a dog.” Theodore Dalrymple, pen name of Anthony Daniels, M.D., in WSJ, re. British socialized medicine vs. fee for service vet services. “I was really scared, but I had to hold it together as I was the only one who knew the way to the hospital.” Linda Corbett of Brighton, East Sussex, UK, who gave birth in her car after workers at Royal Sussex County Hospital told her they were too busy to send a midwife or give her space at the hospital, and then sent her to another hospital. One U.K. report found that 4,000 British women were forced last year to give birth in elevators, cars, restrooms, etc., as there was no room in the “compassionate socialist” hospitals for them. World, p. 21 Sept. 12, 2009

      “The British and Canadian healthcare systems… found that they were not able to pay for the healthcare they promised. The British politicians relieved the financial burden in the traditional socialist manner; that is, by a system of progressive rationing of healthcare that denied quality care to the sickest members of their society. After all, they reasoned, the sickest consumed the greatest segment of the healthcare dollar. The Canadian politicians has an even better system – they simply allowed their sickest patients to migrate to the United States for care and expensive diagnostic workups.”

      In the U.S. Dr. Russell Blaylock writes the sickest 5% consume 50% of the healthcare dollars, meaning one of several possibilities:

      1.) “Since there is essentially nowhere else for Americans to go, the new healthcare system will have to depend on severe, progressive rationing of healthcare

      2.) Many services will be denied (especially to the elderly).

      3.) The elderly will be encouraged to terminate their own lives (cf all the recent press adulation of that woman who took her life in Oregon_

      4.) Doctors who push too much care will be punished

      Excerpted from Dr. Russell Blaylock, The Wellness Report, Sept., 2009. Dr. Russell is a nationally recognized board certified neurosurgeon, the 2004 recipient of the Integrity in Science Award, served previously as clinical assistant professor of neurosurgery at Univ. of Mississippi Medical Center, and currently visiting professor of biology Belhaven College.

      Yep, just more from the fascist left – who all exempted themselves from their OWN legislation (Nancy, we are looking at you!)

      “In the socialist workers’ paradise, we’ll all be equal – only some of us will be ‘more equal’ than the others.” George Orwell

      • TEST

        Note to the thumbs downer. You have have the free right to do whatever you do. It is a free country – until you leftists take over, that is. But you are a true, utter idiot.

        • Winston Smith

          I wouldn’t take it too much to heart. Anyone who has been on here for any length of time manages to piss off someone who then makes it their life’s mission to thumbs down their every post. Consider it a badge of honor. It means you got to someone.

          • TEST

            I did not mean this as an insult. Rather, it is an actual fact. The only other options are mental illness or a Hilary-style level of intellectual or moral corruption.

            I have seen so MANY lives damaged or destroyed (literally) by socialism and other vile flavour du jour I refuse to grant any quarter to these fascists. Here’s one of my favourite samples of their evil:

            Leftist Herbert Marcuse, who popularized the “repressive tolerance” theory of modern progressives in the 50s, 60s and 70s (or therabouts). “Liberating tolerance would mean intolerance against movements from the right and toleration of movements from the left,” Marcuse pontificated. “Certain things cannot be said, certain ideas cannot be expressed, certain policies cannot be proposed.”

            No doubt, he would have his fascist thought and speech police take us off to a re-education camp, or worse. So, I will NOT shut up, and I will NOT give these satanic, evil people quarter. Ever

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Your portrayal of Herbert Marcuse as a fascist leaves something to be desired, Test.

              He was a Marxist and his folks were Jews…..which makes him, come on…..a Jew!

              He was the father of the Frankfurt School; another fine communist organization. Lets get over the fascist shit and call a commie a commie, Okay?

              Oh, by the way, I agree, he is a satanic, evil person Test.

              • The Old Coach

                He was portraying YOU and your fellow travelers as fascists, Granny. He described Marcuse as a Leftist.

                Do you redally have that much trouble comprehending English?

              • badpuppydog

                Granny..he doesn’t know the difference between Nationalism and Communism based on all of his posts. Get educated test.

              • TEST

                Marcuse was, as you say, a Marxist. And the Frankfurt School is one of the most evil, despicable entities ever to exist. Courtois’ book, The Black Book of Communism, estimates Communists murdered ~ 100mm last century. RJ Rummel, U. of Hawaii, estimates around 160mm, but I think he revised it upwards.

                Where we differ, POG, is that, while I agree there has been an inordinate amount of seriously bad things Jewish people have been involved with in the past 150 years, I do not equate that with Jewish people in general, am not anti-Semitic, and attribute this to certain groups of Jewish people who have gone off the rails, not Judaism per se (e.g., you wouldn’t include Sephardic Jews, would you? If so, who?)

                Unfortunately, you appear to support the other side of the coin, National *Socialism*. Since you seem to be such a big supporter of the Nazis, you know already the planks they adopted in Munich, Feb. of 1920. Nazism is the other side of the same coin. Here a are some of those socialist planks: “We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living… We demand profit sharing in big business… the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . . . The government must undertake the improvement of public health… permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.” Nazi stands for the Nazionale Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei – the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Was it just a name, as some say? Then why did the Nazi’s introduce the “Reichsarbeitsdienst” – the National Labour Svc that had public work systems; why the “Kraft durch Freude,” where the STATE even took care of the leisure time of workers? Truly, the Bolsheviks and the Nazis were, as noted, different sides of the same coin.

                I use the term “fascist” loosely, not literally. And thus I consider Marcuse “fascist” in the sense of him being horribly evil, nothing more. Tell that other poster below not to worry.

                • badpuppydog

                  Test knows the jewish propaganda about national socialism very well…just not the real stories and facts.

                • badpuppydog

                  TEST <<<< OUTTED AS " JOE BLOW-ME " and has zero credibility now.

          • Ms.X

            Unless you are a predictable dum dum like WWTI.

        • the renegade braveheart

          TEST, thank you for those links you posted. Very sad but interesting information about socialized medicine.

      • Calgagus

        Keep it coming Test. Reading every word you write. You get thumbs up from me. Good job.

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Calgagus:

          Thanks for your post at the top. Pleased to know you are digging. Come up for air once in awhile. The further you dig, the more disgusted you will get.

          iamthewitness dot com has great info on history. The one on Rothschild and his usury robbery of the world and the empire he built up which is in place in the City of London suffocating us all, is well worth your time.

          • TEST

            Degrees mean nothing. Facts only. Thus, the FACTS of the evil Nazi party and its planks, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920:

            “We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living… We demand profit sharing in big business… the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . . . The government must undertake the improvement of public health… permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good”

            Nazi stands for the Nazionale Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei – the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Was it just a name, as some say? Then why did the Nazi’s introduce the “Reichsarbeitsdienst” – the National Labour Svc that had public work systems; why the “Kraft durch Freude,” where the STATE even took care of the leisure time of workers?

            No the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of production, only that the govt oversee and run the economy, as they knew that legal ownership wasn’t what counted, but rather CONTROL. So, private citizens could hold title – as long as the state had the unqualified right to use their property. I.e., de facto socialism, the STATE still controls. Or, as Carl Limbacher wrote, “Benito Mussolini’s Fascist economic policy, which he called the “mixed economy,” tried ********to combine Marxism with capitalism.****** What resulted was a dictatorship which allowed limited economic freedom to those favored industries willing to operate under government patronage.” The observant among you will note well the phrase “operate under government patronage.”

            This is right out of the Obama/Pelosi playbook., and you can read more about the socialism of the Nazis with any Google search, though http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Nazi#Key_elements_of_the_Nazi_ideology exposes a lot about the National Socialist Program which was big on Euthanasia, Eugenics and Social Darwinism , which are big hits with libs and communists today, too.

          • TEST

            And I assume you are aware that Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930 ‘I am a Socialist,and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow’.

            ZeroHedge put it this way: No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal (he’s referring to classic liberalism, which today would be considred libertarian or conservative) of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

          • TEST

            FACTS ON THE NEXUS BETWEEN COMMUNISM AND NAZISM:

            And Granny, the Communist/Nazi coin gets even more clear:

            Hiter’s quote:

            “There is more that binds us to Boshevism than separates us from it… I have always made allowances for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once.”

            Richard Vetterli and Willam Fort in The Socialist Revolution:

            “The collectivist systems of Communism and Fascism belong not on the opposite extremes … their characteristics demand that they share a position side by side on the left” and that Nazism and Communism, in their totalitarianism and collectivism, share “close proximity.” (p.2 – 3)

            G.B. Shaw, who was a Fabian socialist:

            Italian fascism was collectivist in nature, and the fascists were “well aware of the fact that Communism springs from the same collectivist stem as their own system.”

            Ludwig von Mises on socialism and Nazis (N.B.: von Mises fled from the Nazis to Switz n 1934, and then to the US in 1940). His Ph.D was from U. of Vienna, and he taught as several US universities.

            “… Mussolini, the outstanding man in Italian socialism, chose at first the orthodox Marxian position. Nobody could surpass Mussolini in Marxian zeal… the programme of the Fascist, as drafted in 1919, was vehemently anticapitalistic… fascism was not… an original product of the Italian mind. It began as a split within the ranks of Marxian socialism.” (p. 525f, The Socialist Revolution).

            “The philosophy of the Nazis, the German National Socialist Labour Party, is the purest and most consistent manifestation of the anticapitalistic and socialist spirit of our age.” Von Mises, p. 528f

            Sorry, Granny, but the facts get worse:

            Hitler said “I am not merely the vanquisher of Marxism, I am its implementer… The whole of National Socialism is contained in Marxism… the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda material.”

            Of course, the economic practice emphasizing centralized industrial control was also similar. The big difference was that socialists are classicists, and the National Socialists racists.

            You see, it wasn’t until Hitler was in full throttle that leftists needed to separate themselves from Hitler’s socialism, a little like Siamese twins being separated. Stalin himself, who didn’t like the schismatic national socialism, anathematized it in contrast to his international socialism. Basically, the same leopard, with different spots

            As under communism, the state would
            exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands (well, kinda and not really… you darn well better not be making washing machines or refrigerators when Hitler wanted tanks – so much for creating products for consumer demand and profit, a hallmark of capitalism!)

            Hitler followed the same game plan as the communists. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was “socialist” and that its enemies were the “bourgeoisie” and the “plutocrats” (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin andStalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business.

            Your comments, please.

            • Rebel in Idaho

              I have trouble comprehending why so few understand what you just said.

              Then I remember that most went to government run schools.

              If you have a child in “public” schools please consider that the schools/child detention centers aren’t run by the public at all but by the government. Do you really want the most precious things in your life to be “educated” by the government?

            • badpuppydog

              Test are you just going to repeat the Jewish version of national socialism over and over again for us or are you going to finally study it for real and learn what it really is? ” Hitler waged war on small buisness”? are you serious? The interest free loans germans could get after the money changers were rounded up didn’t help start a small buisness? Funny how the whole of germany LOVED THAT MAN as he took germany from depression to the worlds strongest economy in 5 YEARS!! Test..if someone came to power here in america and rounded up all the criminal ( jewish ) bankers you wouldn’t be for that i suppose? You would cheer your ass off and you know it..unless you are a HAZBARAT like I suspect you might be.

              • badpuppydog

                TEST <<<< OUTTED AS " JOE BLOW-ME " and has zero credibility now.

      • badpuppydog

        Test thinks writing a fucking book gives him more credibility or something.

        • John W.

          Don’t like it start your own blog dirt bag. It was actually a pretty short post and made sense that is what you are most likely having problems with.

          • badpuppydog

            John..are you tests official spokesman or something? As I already had to tell one of his other spokesman earlier, test is a big boy and can take care of himself. He doesn’t need a clingy little nutsack hugger like you defending him in the least. He’s very well spoken even though he has much to learn on certain issues.

            • Anonymous

              badpuppydog…. John W is a very interesting character. Either he is a member of our beloved tribe or he is deeply in love with them just like our resident Cat aka Barn Kitty.

              Consider yourself lucky he wasn’t more aggressive with his attack since he used to be showing his tribal/ dark side. Maybe due to either he is coming to become human again reading the posts from JQP, Condor, POG and similar Real and Truthful HUMANS or it might be he is getting alarmed about the worldwide awakening and trying to locate a safe hole later on.

              C’mon John…come and see the light…the people that you refer to as haters might be actually lovers of the humanity and concern about where the tribe is taking it via their boys and gals in AIPAC.

              • badpuppydog

                LOL I was thinking that same thing myself Anonymous. He has such little to offer here all he can do is make sure noone pokes fun at TEST.

        • TEST

          TEST thinks – and knows for a fact – you are fascist. TEST also knows that you leftists MURDERED over 100 mm human souls last century, per the Courtois, et al, book The Black Book of Communism (Oxford Univ. Press)

          Here’s a hint, BPD: Those who support freedom, integrity, and justice – along with the US Constitution and other historic Western freedoms (e.g. the Magna Carta) are never, EVER, EVER going away.

          Get used to it.

          • badpuppydog

            Test..you poor soul…you need to learn the difference between NATIONAL SOCIALISM and JEWISH COMMUNISM. You seem to think they are one in the same. You claim to have multiple degrees? I’m starting to doubt that seeing you are about as informed as a 5th grade autistic child. NATIONAL SOCIALISTS are FAR RIGHT. JEWISH COMMUNISTS are FAR LEFT. Get a magic marker and write NATIONAL SOCIALISM on your RIGHT hand. Using that same marker write JEWISH COMMUNISM on your left hand. that way you won’t forget it ( again ) and you can impress some of your other clueless friends with multiple degrees. Good day sir !!!!

            • ENFP

              Left, Right, Fascist, Communist. They are both totalitarian dictatorships so what’s the difference?
              The corporate Illuminati is going to take over at the end of this age and is merely using Communists and Moslems to create the chaos they need to do so.

            • TEST

              Degrees mean nothing. Facts only. Thus, the FACTS of the evil Nazi party and its planks, adopted in Munich on February 24, 1920:

              “We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living… We demand profit sharing in big business… the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education. . . We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents. . . . The government must undertake the improvement of public health… permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good”

              Nazi stands for the Nazionale Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei – the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party. Was it just a name, as some say? Then why did the Nazi’s introduce the “Reichsarbeitsdienst” – the National Labour Svc that had public work systems; why the “Kraft durch Freude,” where the STATE even took care of the leisure time of workers?

              No the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of production, only that the govt oversee and run the economy, as they knew that legal ownership wasn’t what counted, but rather CONTROL. So, private citizens could hold title – as long as the state had the unqualified right to use their property. I.e., de facto socialism, the STATE still controls. Or, as Carl Limbacher wrote, “Benito Mussolini’s Fascist economic policy, which he called the “mixed economy,” tried ********to combine Marxism with capitalism.****** What resulted was a dictatorship which allowed limited economic freedom to those favored industries willing to operate under government patronage.” The observant among you will note well the phrase “operate under government patronage.”

              This is right out of the Obama/Pelosi playbook., and you can read more about the socialism of the Nazis with any Google search, though http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Nazi#Key_elements_of_the_Nazi_ideology exposes a lot about the National Socialist Program which was big on Euthanasia, Eugenics and Social Darwinism , which are big hits with libs and communists today, too.

              • badpuppydog

                Some more Kosher ramblings about the man you hate..ADOLPH HITLER? Only jews and the uninformed hate him this much test..which one of those are you? I suppose those imaginary degees you claim to hold have wrecked those critical thinking skills. Just stop being silly and watch THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD then get back to me kid ( gives test a cookie and slaps him on his ass sending him on his way )

            • Rebel in Idaho

              badpuppy is wrong on this one and imagine me holding your nose in the wet spot on the floor and spanking you while firmly saying “no!”

              Left and right descriptions have their origin in seating positions for parliament (please study this) and don’t explain context, perspective, or changes over time. Descriptions such as authoritarian, however, are much more informative and applicable to a longer span of time.

              Just ask is a liberal or leftist the same thing in 1800 as 2000? Obviously not. A proponent of liberty might be called many things depending on the time and place, but when you start grouping political philosophies by ideas rather than labels you start to see many trends.

              People who favor strong central governments that regulate both social and economic activity prefer similar governments despite what you might call them. Fascists, communist, liberal democrat, whatever; their ideals are similar.

              People who favor strong central governments that highly regulate social activity but lightly regulate economic activity will also be similar. Call them theocrats, do-gooders, republicans, or whatever; the point is their philsophy is similar and they’re quibbling over details.

              Describing a political spectrum in 2 dimensions is short sighted and will lead to huge errors in grouping. If 2 groups are for financial prudence, low taxes, and limited business regulation are they both on the “right” and allies? A more in depth look at history says obviously not.

              Looking at the big picture, fascists and communists are not terribly different. Then compare them with modern libertarians and you will see how remarkably similar the concepts are when contrasted with alternatives to government control.

              • badpuppydog

                Rebel…+1 for rubbing my nose in the carpet after I peed all over it. Well..after all it WAS your carpet. :>)

                • Rebel in Idaho

                  baaadpuppydog 🙂

        • hammerhead

          HEY PUPPY POOP ,
          TEST is not only on topic , but informative .
          Links have been posted to verify his comments.
          What problem could you possibly have?
          Too many hard words to read ?

          • badpuppydog

            Hammer…..as far as I’m concerned the ONLY topic should be all of our mortal enemies ( edomite jews ) and as for test…he’s a big boy that can post his own replies and he doesn’t need you hanging from his nutsack like a dingleberry..good day sir.

            • hammerhead

              OK , so i interjected my opinion in where it was not needed , i get it.
              Just gettin sick of your hate filled rants .

              BUT , again TEST’s comments are spot on.
              And POOPYPUP is a damn fool , agitator and some kind of fascist/ anarchist, move along.
              Hang that on yer nutbag sir .

              • badpuppydog

                Hammer..great reply to my arguments..you really showed me up with facts. Just because I know the truth about Hitler doesn’t make me a FASCIST any more than knowing Elton john is gay makes me a homosexual. I NEVER SAID I WAS A NATIONAL SOCIALIST.But I do know the REAL history of WW2..you should check it out sometime instead of trying to protect test who doesn’t need your help. Good day sir !!!!

                Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it up there fella

          • The Old Coach

            Great fisk there, hammerhead.

        • BJ

          badpuppydog says:
          Comment ID: 3263093
          November 8, 2014 at 1:17 pm

          Hidden due to low comment rating……Bullshit!

          Test thinks writing a fucking book gives him more credibility or something.

          • badpuppydog

            Bj thanks for reposting that..it’s so true …

      • sixpack

        “Nancy, we are looking FOR you!”

        …and not in a good way.

      • Jeremy Alfsen

        Despite all the criticism of the Canadian or British system, both systems have better overall results for the country (measured by cost per person, infant mortality, and life expectancy) than the American system.

        Under the American system, if you are poor or middle class and you get sick, you go bankrupt. In some cases, you just don’t get the care you need since you can’t pay up front for it. The U.S. health care system is great for the rich, not so good for everybody else.

        • The Old Coach

          Did you REALLY say that the British National Health has better results than America? Where did you get that stat, Michael Moore?

          Not a week goes by but what there is another story in the news about the catastrophic failures of the NHS.

          In the USA you get care whether you can pay for it or not, that’s been the law for quite a few years now. Go see how it works for illegal immigrants. That law is bankrupting hospitals in Texas and California. Sometimes a million dollars a patient, all for free.

          Next you’ll tell us that Cuba is a health care paradise.

          • Anonymous

            Oldie…you stated earlier that you don’t even have any insurance. So why you even care ?

    13. Cellar Spider

      I feel that this ruling isn’t going to impact anything. The individual mandate will still be in place when all is said and done and our constitutional rights as afforded to us under the 10th amendment will be further trampled upon.

      Global elites no longer want to pay for the health of the worker. We are now expendable. Because we, the worker, are now “plug and play”, they no longer have to protect their human resource assets.

      Bottom line. To work in America (i.e. to make the global elites money), not only will one have to have a resume of valuable experience, but also a health maintenance plan, paid for by the worker, that protects the human resource assets of the global elites.

      This is a huge shift.

      • Old Guy

        Your correct however today we have a global economy. so the USA work force has to compete for jobs against the rest of the world. There is a oversupply of workers. More workers than jobs. So in order for the playing field to become level enough for the USA workers to compete. The cost of production in the places the jobs went to will have to rise or the cost of production in the USA fall. Now which do you think is going to happen first?

      • Anonymous

        Cellar….excellent point. Another reason that the focus must be on Global Elite’s total destruction all over this planet. Else they’ll kill us all but gradually.

      • TEST

        Expendable is exactly correct. See ObunglerCare Ezekiel Emmanuel’s recent “you should die at 75” comments.

        What HAS already died is their zillion dollar absurd website.

        • Anonymous

          Ezekiel Emmanuel wants us to be dead at 75….He is so wrong since the ovens will be setup for him long before that.

    14. Old Guy

      I don’t have any health insurance. and don’t intend to buy any health insurance. My question is that girlfriend who received the $35000 operation now going to be productive and pay taxes and actually contribute? Or is she a oxygen thieving drawer of SSI and other government freebees? ill venture she is the latter. As hard hearted as it sounds I wouldn’t have cared if she had died. I raise livestock and when one of the herd quits producing I gotta cull the herd. That’s the one sure positive thing that will happen when SHIF. the herd will be culled.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Old Guy, spot on. Although I have coverage where I work, if I lose that coverage, I WON’T get Obamacare. I don’t care what anyone says. I feel the same way about freeloaders. Since they don’t produce anything, why subsidize them?

        • Rebel in Idaho

          You will get more behavior you encourage and less behavior you punish.

          Why do we punish hard work (taxes) and subsidize laziness?

      • FreeSlave

        “As hard hearted as it sounds I wouldn’t have cared if she had died.”

        Yeah, you’re right. That does sound hard hearted.

        But I think you’re being morally consistent, and morally honest and that’s praiseworthy.

      • Anonymous

        Old Guy….Are you OK? Had to ask since your post is full of it. The focus is not to kill people due to lack of insurance rather is to make sure they can afford . I agree on the freed loader exception but if someone trull is unable to work based on legit reasons then such must be provided the care they need.

        Killing people is the goal of the current system so let’s come up with something that works,

        BTW, I hope you don’t have any assets under your name since if you do and at some point needing an expensive surgery, the hospitals will take it away from you.

        • John W.

          The current system is the ACA. Are you not aware of that? More people have lost care than gained it and most have been thrown on Medicaid where they go after your assets when you die to p[ay for care. They also now do not cover anyone admitted just for observation. You must like getting screwed as you like O care.

      • TEST

        People are not animals. Even the red thumb fascists here have value as humans. They are evil, but redeemable.

        If the post SHTF world eventuates, as you envision, Old Guy, there will be no actual **humans** populating it. Only animals on two legs, exactly as CS Lewis wrote about in his Narnia Chronicles – which you would do well to have a read of.

        • Old Guy

          Test your correct. In Post SHTF there will be no place for usless eaters. the unfit & weak will perish. It will be Root Hawg or die survival of the fittest meanest & craftiest. Pretty much animals on two legs. And it will happen very quickly.

      • The Old Coach

        Ah, that attitude puts you on the same page as Zeke Emanuel, doesn’t it?

    15. hard working woman

      I have college degree, worked all my life full time, self employed or commission, and finally have good affordable health care with Obama Care. The mean people want to take it away even though it is beginning to show lower doctor, hospital, and insurance rates throughout the country with it in place. Shame on you for being cruel, and mostly for being uninformed. I do believe though many Americans are compassionate, if only they were informed. Please take the time to read what other agencies other than Fox News are saying regarding present and future projections of AFCA. Believe me we have been the laughing stocks of the modern world in the past not addressing health care for our people. Some Canadian friends used to say how selfish and pathetic America was in the eyes of Canadians for the lack of health care, a fundamental right, just like air and water.

      • TEST

        Thank you for your post, HWW. Unfortunately, you are only seeing the part of the apple that Eve offered to Adam. I appreciate your comments, but if you review my comments above, ***you are being set up to pay more for less service.***

        If I may humbly address what you wrote, you are being set up. I am a dual US/Canadian citizen, having lived half my life under both systems. If you take even a cursory glance at my posts above, you may reconsider.

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Test:

          You don’t still believe that ‘apple’ story in Genesis do you Test?

          For the truth of what happened there you might try bibledtudysite dot com. Watchmen Bible Study. Explains Cains’ lineage and the Kenites we are struggling with to this day. Truth realy does live THERE.

          • Pissed Off Granny

            That site is biblestudysite dot com.

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              How about ReligionIsAHoax.com

          • badpuppydog

            Granny..don’t overload our friend test with too much new information..his head may explode…baby steps test…baby steps

          • TEST

            As a matter of fact, I do. And the chronological snobbery (“still believe”) is non-sequitur. Either it happened or it did not. And I am not alone. As just one example, Dr. John Lennonx Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford (a Fellow in Mathematics and Philosophy of Science) is just one of many who take the book of Genesis quite seriously, as he discusses at http://johnlennox.org. This being said, Genesis is not meant as a modern history, and is not to be read in that vein. There is some leeway in how to interpret it, of course.

            If you are asking me about WatchTower (JW) books, with two years of Koine Greek and “cheaters” Hebrew, I can assure you with 100% confidence that Mr. James Taze Russell founded a cult, and that his invisible rapture in – what was it, 1917? – was yet another scam, as was his knowledge of the original Greek. I would humbly encourage you to explore further if in fact you have bought into the JW world.

            • Pissed Off Granny

              Test:

              Biblestudysite has NOTHING to do with JW’s. Their literature is Watchtower.

          • badpuppydog

            Biblestudysite.com is the real deal….test…why don’t you go read about what REALLY happened in the garden of eden …eve was eating something alright…and it wasn’t an apple.

        • Green Tomato

          Test,
          Well said.

      • the renegade braveheart

        Hard working woman, welcome aboard. Respecfully, I must correct one point you made about our health care system. The US has always had the BEST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE. History has shown time and again that when government gets involved in health care, it just totally ruins it. Just look at the National Health Service in the UK for an example. There are horror stories coming out of the UK all the time about the low-quality and /or lack of care, horrendous waiting periods, the death panels, etc. Would you really want a bureaucrat making any medical decisions for you? Would you want that bureaucrat to decide whether you live or die? Because that is exactly what will start happening in this nation if Obamacare is not stopped. Over 200,000 doctors have already stated they will NOT treat any Obamacare patients. Obamacare will DESTROY our healthcare system as we know it. Ask the citizens of Canada what they think of their version of Obamacare. For decades they’ve been coming here to get certain medications and treatments DENIED TO THEM BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. THAT fact alone should speak volumes. As a nation we are bankrupt. We don’t have the money to fund Obamacare and we’re running out of money for the other ‘social programs’ like welfare, food stamps, disability, etc. Ask your Canadian friends if any of them ever had to cross the border for any medications or treatments denied to them by their government. Obamacare is destined to fail. Take care.

        • Winston Smith

          Yup. It’s the best health care system money can buy. While I do not support Obamacare, I also realize that this makes it suck to be poor and ill in the US. One major injury or illness can ruin a person for life because of the financial repercussions that come from it when you have little to no insurance. I just don’t know what the solution is or if there can ever really be a solution that works well for everyone. Perhaps the best idea is affordable catastrophic insurance as most people can afford a cash visit to a doctor (mine charges me around $80 per visit), but not surgeries and major illnesses.

          • TEST

            The answer WS, is tort reform (stop enabling the lawyers). Get rid of third party payers. That is the problem. E.g, when you go to the hospital, do you care what you pay? No, of course not. United, Cigna, etc. pay, so who cares. That is part of the problem. Personally, I use a health share system, Liberty Health Share (there are other programs out there), but it is a true insurance system. We are VERY pleased, prices are VERY good as well.

          • Anonymous

            Winston, the main issue is to control the fucking hospitals to charge $700 for a tylenol. We do think we have the best insurance in the world and it is true but only for the elites.

          • Archivist

            That is the correct answer. Health insurance should only be for catastrophic events, such as a car accident or cancer. That would make the number of people who made claims a much smaller percentage of the total pool. This would cut the costs drastically.

            In addition, by making people pay all other health care and prescription costs out of pocket, they would be able to shop around for the best prices, and the providers would have to cut costs to attract customers. As an example, lasik eye surgery is not covered by most insurance plans, and the price of that surgery has dropped drastically in the few years that it has been available.

            As an example of how this works, consider auto insurance. It is for accidents. If it also covered gasoline, tires, oil changes, car washes, etc., the insurance would be much higher because everyone would be making claims, and the products and services would jump in price because individuals would no longer be shopping around for the best deal. Ann Barnhardt gives the example of car insurance paying for a $300 wash and detail job because a bug hit your windshield.

            Back in the early 1970s, the average price of a prescription was a little over $2. Now, with insurance, I am paying anywhere from $15 to $30 or more just for the deductible. In the 1970s, I paid about $12 for an asthma inhaler. I just bought one last month that cost me $67.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          Braveheart, on the whole I agree. But there a hospitals and doctors in European countries that cater to private pay. And they have excellent care. Excellent research also comesout of europe. The system to the public sucks. Also, some of those hospitals are accredited by the joint commission (for whatever that is worth), so they are open to medical tourism. You can go get your knee replaced for half the cost in a 5 star hotel quality environment.

          One of the surgeons I work with has discussed opening a spine clinic in the Caribbean. Even though hes an arrogant asshole, I told him I’d be happy to give the anesthesia the weeks he’s there. I know that sounds crass, but nobody is looking out for me but me.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Sorry to correct you BH. America does NOT have the best HealthCare in the world. Our HC is the biggest rip off out there dollar for dollar as we get the least amount of Health Care per dollar spent. Many countries out there Have better doctors, bettetr preventitive HC, and better surgeons. I worken in heathcare so Iknow what I am talking about. American doctors are great at prescribing drugs amd get paid plenty to do so. Then as that fails they operate to remove your failed organs. American bodies are so filled with drugged up toxins it would blow your mind. So get off your patriotic high horse and get real. American HC is based on profits and not Healthcare.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            Also BH. The biggest killer of American out there, over all types of deaths, car accidents, murder by clubs hammers and guns, cancer deaths is good ol’ “Hospital Infections”. Yep Best healthcare in the world according to Braveheart that doesn’t know jack shit what he is tsljing about.

      • Calgagus

        @hard working woman
        “take the time to read” blah blah the ‘mean people’ blah blah

        What about the bottom feeders? How about people like you who should have had health insurance before obamacare? What amount of your insurance is now being subsidized by hard working Americans? Did you forget that part.

        You aint my responsibility. I dont need to pay your way for your medical needs, your food, your car, or where you live. I dont even know you. Most of us do more than read or watch msm. Most of us here check the alt news and some have even read what Obamacare has hidden inside the 2,000 pages of garbled nonsense.

        Dont forget there are hundreds of thousands of people who lost their doctors and healthcare for someone like you to gloat and ridicule us for standing our ground.
        Most of us know at least one person whos gotten royally screwed over obamacare.
        So go ahead and get your doctor. Maybe youll get to keep your doctor. Most of us dont get that priviledge since we have to pay your way.

        I quit my job last summer so I cant be taxed anymore. I gave it up. I aint paying your way. GALT all the way.

        Healthcare aint a fundamental right, you santimonious libtwit.

        • hammerhead

          “You aint my responsibility. I dont need to pay your way ”

          I lost my major med plan (self employed) because it was not a qualifying plan . They simply canceled it.

          Now , i cant afford all the frills of Ocare and they say i will need a subsidy to enroll.
          Thats where i get off the bus.
          To ask YOU to pay for my shit is just not acceptable.
          I am NOT a socialist and will not participate .
          So at 52 i find myself uninsured , all my land and possesions of value are going into trust, i wont own them. NOTHING .
          FUK EM .

      • Ugh...

        Seriously, how brain dead does a person have to be to make such statements?

        • The Old Coach

          As brain dead as ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/CNN can make them.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          Ugh. This board comment section is filled with stupid people making ignorant comments that don’t know jack shit about our health care system. Thinking our HC System is the best in the world. Obviously they never leave their hick town or know what doing research means before thy open their pieholes. For shits and giggles google dollar for dollar the best health care in the world and see where the USA ranks. Wake up you dumb sheeple.

      • dave in Idaho

        @ LIB Working Woman…why should I pay for your fucking obamacare so you can pour starbucks down your fat piehole. Buy your own healthcare like the rest of us.

      • Kulafarmer

        Yea, lower because they cut the compensation and are asking ME to subsidize YOU

        IM NOT PAYING FOR YOU DONT CARE!

      • al

        and exactly why am I subsidizing your or anyone else insurance? can yall chip in and make my house note ? or pay my grocery bill? I do understand helping someone out but I believe its my choice and should not be coerced at gunpoint

      • Sgt. Dale

        “Mam”
        My insurance went up 15% this year and I was told it will go up another 15%+ in 2015.

        I worked for may years and have pension and insurance that I paid into and still paying for my insurance, than thank it is group insurance.

        I, like a lot of others don’t mind helping people when asked, but when you take it away from me with out asking that is like stealing from me and that PISSES ME OFF!

        Pay for your own stuff and leave me & mine alone.

        You said you have college degree. I don’t, and I have to pay for everything I GOT. You should too. STOP BEING A LEACH/ZOMBIE.

        Sgt.

        • JRS

          sigh…you really don’t understand who pays your salary do you? All the taxpayers…

          Why would you call someone a leech and a zombie who has worked all her life, when you accept tax payer largesse every payday?

          • The Old Coach

            Yeah, he got paid a salary for doing a job that 80% of people would never do, and 50% of the remainder would happily kill him for doing.

            He’s welcome to his pension, far my part. If it is properly managed, a pension does not cost the taxpayers a dime. Unfortunately the liberal politician sees a pension fund as a piggy-bank to be raided for money to buy the votes he needs to keep him in office. As happened to Social Security when Clinton was in office. As has happened to CalPers (sp?) as well, and probably quite a few others.

            Working all your life doesn’t entitle you to welfare, and that’s what Obamacare is. Insurance you buy before you need it. Obamacare you buy after you need it, and throw the cost of your care onto everybody else.

            Because it imposes more layers of bureaucrats on the health care system, (who BTW add NO VALUE to the product), the cost MUST go up. That money is drained from productive sectors of the economy, dragging everything down into the abyss. (See economic history of Argentina in the 20th century, for starters.)

            • WhoWuddaThunkIt

              Another ignorant comment by old coach. Says taxpayer don’t pay his pension. Seriously where do you people get your info? Of course Tax payer pay his pension. And his job salary and pension are negotiated typically by unions on an annual basis including health care benefits and co-pays. And tax payers through property taxes pick up the tab for those services. We have the ignorant preaching babble to the sheep here. Pull out your property tax bill am d drill down into the breakdown of what you pay for each service you receive. Between the county and state more than half of my property taxes goes to the public school system to pay for other peoples reckless sex lives to turn out inbread fucking morons to suck off the system and post stupid ignorant hick comments on this site.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt

          The best thing you can do for your own health care is eat healthy nutritional foods and raw veggies and fruits, exercise daily for an hour or more, drink plenty of clean filtered water. And avoid taking Pharmeucutical drugs at all costs as they fill your organs with toxins. There you go. DR. WWTI

      • Buck

        Anything the government gets involved In turns to shit!

      • BJ

        hard working woman says:
        Comment ID: 3262999
        November 8, 2014 at 11:21 am

        Hidden due to low comment rating….Bullshit…I think you’re an idiot or a govt shill troll….but you have the right to have your comment not hidden!

        I have college degree, worked all my life full time, self employed or commission, and finally have good affordable health care with Obama Care. The mean people want to take it away even though it is beginning to show lower doctor, hospital, and insurance rates throughout the country with it in place. Shame on you for being cruel, and mostly for being uninformed. I do believe though many Americans are compassionate, if only they were informed. Please take the time to read what other agencies other than Fox News are saying regarding present and future projections of AFCA. Believe me we have been the laughing stocks of the modern world in the past not addressing health care for our people. Some Canadian friends used to say how selfish and pathetic America was in the eyes of Canadians for the lack of health care, a fundamental right, just like air and water.

    16. TEST

      David Esdale, an Ottawa, ON. family physician for 30 years (and who was a partner in practice with my own doctor when I lived there ) describes the wonders of Canada’s socialized medicine in the Aug. 4, 2004 edition of the National Post (p. A13), noting that he has seen a “horrendous decline in the adequacy of service offered to the public,” and that access to a family physician is nearly impossible; family physicians now have to waste their time calling multiple specialists to find one who is available and timely; access to diagnostic imaging is dangerously slow (patients in Ottawa now wait for up to 11 months for MRIs)… people who would have been admitted to hospitals 15 years ago are now inhumanely sent home as governments pay lip service to home care without properly funding it.” It has only gotten worse since then.

      Hard Working Woman – you said you like Obamacare. Do you still? Do you think your service will be any better than their website that, after x billions of dollars and years, still doesn’t work right??? Do you want to DIE of breast cancer due to a massively longer wait, as I noted above?? Please answer me.

      Dr. Esdale also notes that there is little to no choice for consumers, and many Canadians now cross into the US to spend their own money in search of diagnostic imaging, treatments and more, and concludes that “what we have is not working.” That, of course, will change now that US service degrades to Canadian levels.

      Doc, you have it right on. While the US system could be improved, having previously lost a wife (I am remarried now) in British Columbia due to lack of diagnostic equipment, and most recently a beloved mother in law, one can only wonder in amazement how goofy American liberals think socialism, and its ugly sister socialized health care, has such appeal. The only possible answer is that this appeal is based on pure ignorance and willful disregard of truth.

      • John W.

        The big time movie actor who played in one of the Star Wars movies, Taken, The grey and numerous other shows also lost his wife because Canada has such primitive facilities compared to the US. He even stated that had they flown her to the states she would have been fine. So much for socialism. Even the Canadian prime minister came to the states for care.

    17. Sierra Dave

      I’m just as skeptical of the SCOTUS. But PRAY like you have NEVER prayed before!!!! Maybe along side the Republican sweep. The important 5 on the SCOTUS will kill Obamacare.

      • Kulafarmer

        SD
        They dont need to kill it
        All they have to fo is make it so unpopular that people refuse to go along!
        Im already there,

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        Sierra dave you said pray like you never prayed before. Now thats a hellofa health care plan. I’d rather choose obama care odds over praying to be healthy. Bwahahaha

    18. Old Guy

      My father was past 80 and hadn’t been able to walk in several years. His knees where shot. Yet since the VA paid for it he received a knee replacement operation on just one knee and not a penny of the cost paid by him.Of course He never walked again. He couldn’t even stand up to do physical therapy. Never mind that he had dementia and severe diabetes. It was a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. His case is a poster boy example of government wasting money on a oxygen thieving parasite.

      • Sam

        Did you just call your own father “a oxygen thieving parasite?” Wow, just wow.

        • John W.

          Guess he never got the fire truck he wanted. Must be a real close family.

          • Old Guy

            One good thing. Im the black sheep because out of all my siblings Me and one sister are the only one,s who left and by themselves did good. Only one,s who own anything bought & paid for. My wife & I We where able to deed our children paid for land when they came of age. Many of my siblings try and use the excuse of being poor and a unhappy childhood for their failures and lack of success. I tell them after you turned 18 it was all on you. Any way you should of seen their greedy asses after my folks passed away. Fighting over worthless household junk. Me and the one sister got a big laugh out of it. And during my folks last years guess who took care of them? The good thing is When SHTF they wont even think of coming to mooch off me. They don’t even know where I live.

        • Old Guy

          Yes I did. I call them as I see them. My folks dad started drawing social security at 62. He paid in very little on low wages. Mom never worked or paid one penny to social security. She was 59 so she got a check from dads claim. and they lived till almost 90. they drew over $300,000 from the social security Ponzi scheme. Dad got free medical from the VA. For almost 30 years they where non productive taking oxygen thieving parasites.

          • Anonymous

            Old Guy…You really are in need of professional help.

          • sixpack

            So, going over to some foreign land and getting his ass shot at, doesn’t qualify with you as being “productive”?

            WOW.

            • Old Guy

              He was never shot at. He was stationed in England on a air base. he had a great time. spent a lot of time getting drunk and screwing English women. Dad stated he was never so well fed in his life. He was a cook and stole meat from the mess and went to town and bartered it for whatever he wanted.

              • Smokey

                Your dad gave up four or five years of his life to defend his country and the free world. He could have just as easily been put into a bomber as a waist gunner or something and been subject to a 30% casualty rate in the air war.

                My dad was a rated storekeeper in the Navy during the war. Never fired a shot. He was on a cruiser and a carrier during the war, went through about every major naval action from late 1942 to the end of the war. During General Quarters his job was to shut three watertight doors below decks, open or close some piping valves, and fill two buckets with sand, then stand there and wait for damage control duty. He said it was pretty hard to stand there, sealed up below decks, while the guns were hammering topside and bombs and kamikaze planes were going off and exploding, knowing if your area of the ship got hit you probably would get cooked alive with superheated steam, or burned up with bunker fuel, or simply be trapped below decks, whether the ship sank or not. You could feel the ship’s seams flex when a 500-pound bomb went off in the water near the ship. One day someone goofed up while fueling some planes and got about 40 men killed.

                They were enroute to Ulithi one day, center of a task force, when an ammunition ship just blew up. No hostile action, just exploded. Killed every man on the ship and a hundred more on the ships in the task force. One man was killed when a human foot hit him over a mile away.

                They lost a man overboard on his carrier every month. Month after month, for the entire war. Another one or two would die in accidents, unrelated to any battle activity.

                On the day the Japs quit the war, every man on his carries, thousands of them, came up on deck and got down on their knees and thanked God it was over, they were going to live.

                Any one who serves in the military, from cooks to pilots, front line or rear echelon, has signed a blank check payable to Uncle Sam. You might cash it one day with your life, or be maimed and crippled for life, at any time and you will not get a choice as to when or where or why it happens.

                • Old Guy

                  Just because someone was drafted doesn’t mean they should get free medical care for the remainder of there days. The fact is the few productive cannot afford the cost. And those today join willingly. Gullible young folks who believe some recruiters lies. They are not fighting for USA freedom. They are cannon fodder for the UN -NWO and Agenda 21. Any road The simple fact is no matter what too many taking parasites and too few making producers is not sustainable. You cant rob Peter to pay Paul indefinitely. Many here are wanting the collapse or reset to happen. Im here to tell you that you will regret it. you think im mean & hard hearted? wait until the real collapse happens. You will yearn for the good old days of 2014. Many of you will be worse than you think I am. You will resent every morsel of food some oxygen thief parasite takes from you.

          • loulou

            “Dad got free medical from the “VA”… then he was a Veteran that served his country!… Go crawl back under your rock Old Guy – you are having a bad day!

            • Old Guy

              My parents never voted for anything other than a democrat. They thought the sun rose & set in Roosevelts ass. the thought Shafty Kenndy was the greatest until Bill Clinton came along and he was it! They where so ingrained with the wrong core concept they they actually believed they needed the government social programs for their liberal parasite asses to survive. They claimed they where owed because they lives through the depression. I went into business for myself at a young age and it didn’t take me long to start resenting the parasites who expected their fair share when they had ought naught to do with my producing .

          • TEST

            HI OG. You are correct that the system was, and is, not equitable. I am truly sorry you did not, apparently, have a strong relationship with your father (neither did I, unfortunately – Dr. David Stoop has a good book on this, Making Peace with Your Father that helped). But with all due respect, I have to wonder: what will the next generation have to say to US?? They are inheriting, according to Dr. Lawrence Kotlikoff of Boston U., $222 *trillion* in unfunded liabilities. What will they think of the Baby Boomers and even the generation after that? They are going to have it even worse.

            IMHO, there are truly evil people out there, but I want to be careful of calling people “oxygen suckers,” as it is then just a short step to the Nazi Aktion T-4, Solyent Green, and worse. I won’t even call Hilary an “oxygen sucker.” Truly one of the most vile, despicable, destructive and vicious people out there I believe, but she still is human and made in the image of God. Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but while I get your point, I am also leery of dehumanizing people. I also need to remind myself, as Solshynitsyn said, “the line between good and evil runs through EACH of our own individual hearts.” He wrote this as a prisoner from a Siberian gulag. If we lose complete track of the evil within our own selves, we can fall prey to becoming even worse monsters than those we are fighting.

            • dave in Idaho

              The next generation includes the Gimme Dats that are 18-40 years ols on every Gov handout available. Most of the 200 trillion went to the banks and PTB pockets.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt

            LoL. Old Guy reminds me of Prince Charles of England who has waited hi whole life to inherit the Crown from Queen Elizabeth who is soon to turn 100 yrs old. Charles finally gave up hope of inheriting the Crown as he claims “THE OLD BAT JUST WONT DIE!!” LOL. No worry old guy lots of useless space wasters on this planet need to go and I will help them during the great culling.

            • Old Guy

              There was a young guy in france that wanted this desirable apartment. a very old woman lived there. So he made a deal with her. She sold him the lease and he paid the rent however she got to live there for free until she died. after quite a time the younger guy dies and the old woman still alive! Its a true story.

      • BJ

        Old Guy says:
        Comment ID: 3263016
        November 8, 2014 at 11:47 am

        Hidden due to low comment rating…..Bullshit, while I think you and Old Coach are assholes of the same mother…you deserve to NOT have your comment hidden.

        My father was past 80 and hadn’t been able to walk in several years. His knees where shot. Yet since the VA paid for it he received a knee replacement operation on just one knee and not a penny of the cost paid by him.Of course He never walked again. He couldn’t even stand up to do physical therapy. Never mind that he had dementia and severe diabetes. It was a huge waste of taxpayer dollars. His case is a poster boy example of government wasting money on a oxygen thieving parasite.

    19. Just sayin'

      Bribed judges, and politicans will never allow the insurance companies/Rothschilds bankers cash cow to just go away.

      Both parties and the courts have long ago been bought. Wake up! Keep voting, giving your stamp of approval to a corrupt system.

      We all know how “free” the ” free market” is.

      “Competition is a sin”- John D. Rockefeller.

    20. Sam

      People have a tendency to blame the Supreme Court for any legal opinion that they disagree with politically. In other words, they like the Court only when the it rules in their favor. This is very human, and very problematic.

      For example, the Dems hate District of Columbia v. Heller and think the Supreme Court is biased in favor of gun rights. The Republicans on the other hand hate National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius and think that Justice Roberts betrayed their cause when he became the swing vote that upheld the Affordable Care Act.

      However, the truth is that the Supreme Court is not a political body if you truly believe in, and understand, the Constitution (yea, I know it’s hard to swallow the fact that Justice Roberts is not your homeboy, but he is sworn to upheld the Constitution, not your political opinion, BIG difference).

      If you think the Supreme Court is a political body, then you are the exact problem (mob rule) that the Founding Fathers tried to guard against with the Constitution. Sorry to say but this point will not be understood by many on this website (most Americans don’t understand this with our dumbed-down education nowadays), even though they subjectively believe that they are pro-Constitution.

      To sum it up, the problem with both the left and the right is that they believe a ruling by the Supreme Court is only good when the ruling supports their political agenda, and if the ruling doesn’t square with their opinion about how the society should be run, then well, the ruling is a horrible one and the Supreme Court must be biased. This is the exact kind of mentality that drove the Founding Fathers to write the Constitution in the way it is written — to establish separation of powers, and to guard against the mobs from both parties.

      Don’t believe me? Read the Federalist Papers.

      • Calgagus

        Problem w/ SCOTUS is they are human and have personal bias. Its the blatant disregard of law and constitutional law (and all it represents) that causes problems when they are asked to do there job. SCOTUS goes beyond there job. Just look at the abortion issue, a case that should never have gone to the supremes. They took on that case though.

        Anyone who cant see that these supremes have there own political slant and an agenda based on there ideology is a fool. Too much of this countrys laws are being reinterpreted because of judicial activism. SCOTUS needs to rule on true Constitutional issues not on cases that get tweeked or furthered by politics from the bench.

        • Sam

          I never liked the term “judicial activism.” Allow me to explain.

          The problem with the term “judicial activism” is that it’s an inherently biased term, i.e., a decision is “activism” if it doesn’t come down the way some would prefer. In other words, half of the decisions by SCOTUS will always be “activism” to half of the audience, while the other half of the decisions, which the first group of audience would hail as fair and just, would cause the other half of the audience to call SCOTUS all sorts of names.

          It is precisely because we are free thinking (hopefully anyway) and have our own opinions, that we need an apolitical body with life-long tenure, so the justices can ignore the cry of “judicial activism,” a massively biased accusation that does not achieve anything, because half of the citizenry (a.k.a. mobs) will be for it while the other half (also mobs) will be against it, depending on the nature of the case at hand.

          For example, I think Heller was a great decision because it settled the well regulated militia issue in favor of gun rights, but many on the left swear that it’s a politically motivated decision. In their minds, the conservative justices injected their own “activism” to re-interpret the 2nd Amendment. Did they? I don’t think so, unless we confuse their individual jurisprudence with activism.

          Justice is blind (again, we hope) so the mobs’ political opinion as to what the law requires should hold no sway in how the Court decides a case. Otherwise we might as well burn the Constitution right now.

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Calgagus:

          Never were a “few” lawyer/judges ever to be set up to be the final decision makers over US citizens and the constitution.

          Hell, we cannot keep the crooks out of our elected government; why would we even believe that APPOINTED ones would be any different.

          Roberts is a traitor and deserves a place in line when the day of reckoning gets here. Looking forward to that, for sure.

          • badpuppydog

            Roberts is a sniffling coward that sold us all up the river.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt

        The problem is 33% of the Supreme Court are Jews when jews are only 2.1 % of the US population. Its like the Diebold vote counting machine that selects the winners in an election. Its time to pull the plug on the fixed jerry rigged court. Did they mention that in the Federalist Papers Einstein Sam?

    21. swinging richard

      If health care was affordable you would not need insurance. When a medical procedure costs more than a lifetime of work and saving , something is terrible wrong. You can leave the country and get care for a fraction of the cost of a US hospital.

      • TEST

        Exactly Did you know about Oklahoma Surgery Center. Doesn’t take Medicate or Medicaid, but charges only 20% of normal costs if you pay cash. Medicare pays 80%, you pay the rest. So, what exactly what are you getting for that other 80%? Nada.

        Here is their price list: http://www.surgerycenterok.com/pricing/

        Here is a site explaining it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fJtTUGjXAE8&t=3

        Here’s an brainwave: Let’s try the actual FREE MARKET with heathcare.

        BTW, if you, dear reader, need a hip replacement, something that averages $35k in the US will cost you about $7k there. Fully accredited, etc. etc.

        • swinging richard

          Thanks for the info TEST. One of the most informative posts in a while. THANKS.

        • The Old Coach

          As Karl Denninger has been shouting from the rooftops for years.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          See my post above about not taking insurance in my hypnosis practice. It would cost me 10% of any reimbursement I would get to pay someone to file my insurance claims. I would have to install a medical billing software, and spend twice ass much time documenting. You can’t bill the client anything beyond what the insurance pays after copy, so I would get 50% less pay for the same time, and give up 10 % of that to billing firm, make payments on billing software and add to the time I have to spend on each client, which over all after EVERYTHING is taken into consideration over a 60% reduction in gross income for taking insurance alone. So to pay the rent and other bills, and to hire a part time receptionist to keep track of all the BS that comes with making sure I get paid and maintain contact with billing company, I would have to MORE THAN DOUBLE my client fees.

          seriously I looked into this and I’m not joking. The bulk of any physicians office fees goes into medical billing, the staff to support that and the seriously delayed reimbursement from some insurance companies. Insurance is a scam in those terms.

          Drs in my area bill about $170 for 20 minutes and get paid much less. I charge $150 for 1- 1-1/2 hrs. In my part time office I can see 12 clients MAX. 50% of my clients are Medicare and get 50% discount, military/ veterans get 50% (or free if hardship), and all other clients who prepay upfront for package of sessions gets a discount. I do my brat to make my services available to everyone. Just can’t do that with insurance. I would have to be a hardass or go out of business.

          • Nopittypartyhere

            My BEST…I hate autocorrect

    22. Kulafarmer

      “The whole idea is predicated on the notion that you can indefinitely take from Peter to pay Paul.

      But eventually Peter is going to run out of money and not be able to foot the bill, or he’ll simply refuse to buy into the scheme altogether.”

      BINGO!!!

      I have health coverage but the circumstances dint fit in with an approved plan because of a technicality even though it is top notch,

      They can cram their documentation and they can cram their fine,

      NOMFI

    23. badpuppydog

      If you people think obama care is going any damn where I have a bridge to sell you. The republican’s want it just as bad as the other side does. One need look any further than who wrote the damn thing. Ezekiel Emanuel yes…the brother of Rham Emanual ( mayor of chimp-cago) the tribe doesn’t want this killed so it won’t be.

      • The Old Coach

        Soooo, how come not ONE Republican voted for it ?????

    24. badpuppydog

      plus that pussy head justice Roberts already upheld the damn thing…and then cried all over hisself and vanished for 2 months. No way they strike this down…no way.

      • sixpack

        I read somewhere, that Justice Roberts had adopted a child from some foreign country, or under some “questionable” circumstances. The article went on to discuss how his child might have been used as leverage to direct his vote in key situations.

        While I feel for Mr. Roberts, if he can so easily be swayed by blackmail, then he, and those like him, is of no use to this country as a supreme court justice, or a politician or any other position of power.

        In short, I’m not so sure it’s dems or repubs that we need to purge, but perhaps we just need to figure out how to end the blackmail and bribery that influences who may otherwise be good men, to do bad things.

        This is the insidious work of the globalist elites. It is how they come to control governments and men. The men and women who would not be controlled by blackmail or bribery, were simply eliminated.

        I guess I still believe that good men and women, still try to do good things, for the right reasons. Maybe to some, that’s just naive, but to me, it’s HOPE. HOPE that it’s really not truly over for the human race, that there ARE still some redeemable souls here.

        I know, I know, and then I woke up…

        • badpuppydog

          six..i heard the same thing…he may have been threatened ..sure..know what I say to that? FUCK HIM. We need to start having elections on these appointed for life ” justices ” what is this bullshit anyway? They get selected by god knows who and are there until the day they fucking die? I say these fucks need to be voted on by the people.

          • sixpack

            Considering the fact that a vast majority of “voters” are also on the welfare roles and/or have already proven themselves completely stupid, I’m not so sure I’d be comfortable entrusting MY judicial future to the gimme dat crowd, BUT there is no doubt in my mind that there should be NO ‘lifetime’ appointments, ESPECIALLY in the SCOTUS.

            I wish I knew of some way to keep the judicial branch separate from the other two, but I have no clue.

            Just remember, judging by “the will of the people” I’ve seen so far, I wouldn’t want the judiciary beholden to “the people” either. They need to judge based on our Constitution, not popular opinion at the time.

            • badpuppydog

              six…I agree with the notion of the ” gimmie dats ” crowd voting..those types ( and various others ) shouldn’t be allowed to vote without a job if they are old enough to work and are on welfare. If we didn’t have so many idiots voting who have no business voting it would work..but you are right..the way it is now it would just be dummies voting in crooks as always and the SCOTUS would have even bigger idiots on it ( if thats possible ) Hell..we could end up with Jessie Jackson in there or Spike lee..maybe snoop doggie dog.

    25. Sgt. Dale

      obullshit care is BS.
      If the House would just not fund it/stop funding obullshit care it would DIE.
      So we need to start yelling at the folks in the House to stop funding it and stop funding the wing of the IRS that is in charge of the damn thing!
      Sgt.

    26. Jim in Va.

      Time to self medicate….pass me a beer huh?

    27. Ron Ahrens

      The dumbed down brain dead chemically altered toxic waste dumps of collapsing Murica will just keep piling poisonous toxic shit in their fat faces, popping Big Pharma deadly shit, and then scratching their dumbed down heads wondering why all this expensive health care the idiots have is killing the toxic waste dumps addicted to shitty food and Big Pharma filth…Murica.. the collapsing Corporatist fascist shithole of the world, full of brain dead dumbed down poisonous toxic shit food consuming ignorant SLAVES for their Corporatist Fascist Masters.

      • The Old Coach

        Spoken like a true devotee of Daily Koz.

    28. Socrates

      Oblamacare? What a piece of tripe that is!

      That’s what you get you put a ‘community Organizer’ into the highest held office and one of the most powerful in the world.

      The end result was obvious- garbage in, garbage out.

    29. Satori

      hmmmm

      a lot of very interesting comments

      seems a number of people want to return to days of old

      may I suggest a little reading material ?

      you wanna know how it was for “people like us”
      eg working people ?

      try Sinclair’s THE JUNGLE
      or Londons THE IRON HEEL
      or perhaps something by Dickens
      or Steinbeck’s THE GRAPES OF WRATH

      we have been there done that
      do we really want to return to that horror ???

      those books weren’t written as entertainment
      they were scathing social commentary
      of a system that used you up
      and then dumped you in the gutter when you were no longer of any use to it
      seen those pictures of third world countries
      where the poor literally die in the streets
      people just stepping around them???

      keep in mind that the 1% regard US as “useless eaters”
      just as many here regard those less fortunate as the same

      be careful what you wish for
      because I think your going to get it

      • hammerhead

        At least in “the days of old” i had a major med plan.
        Now i have none.
        So , yea , bring back yesteryear.

      • Archivist

        I’d like to return to the 1950s before there was so much health insurance. When my father would take me to the doctor, it was maybe $5 or $10 for a regular visit. My father would give the doctor the cash money, and the doctor would put it in his billfold in his own pocket. A few years later, when my sister was born, my father had enough cash in his pocket to pay the entire hospital bill. In the 1960s, my dentist charged $8 to pull a tooth, plus I got a ticket to get ice cream at the drug store across the street. Like I said in a previous post, in the 1970s, the average price of a prescription was just over $2.

        Health insurance has caused health care prices to rise.

        I’d like to return to the 1950s when you could leave your doors unlocked and not worry about being robbed or attacked. I know someone who was raised in New York. She said that when she was a baby, her mother would go shopping in the city. If her mother went into a store, she would leave the child in the baby carriage outside on the sidewalk without a single worry about kidnapping. Or I’d like to return to the 1970s when I could walk down the middle of Fayetteville Street in Raleigh at 3AM and not worry about a thing, I could get a haircut for 75 cents, and a good college education was only $2,000 a year, absolutely everything included. The meal ticket at college was only $1.65 per meal. I could buy a shirt for $5.

        I miss visiting relatives and neighbors almost every weekend. During Hurricane Donna in 1960, the electricity was out for a whole week, and our neighbor hooked his lawn mower to his water pump and pumped water free for the entire neighborhood. There was just a distant worry about Russia, but none about China, Mexico, ISIS, or our own government trying to kill us. We only had two TV stations in my area, but there were lots of good shows that are still in reruns.

        I miss the days of mothers staying home to care for children. Families could live on one salary back then because they didn’t have computers, cell phones, cable TV, fast food every day, and other extras that they “had” to have. My father never made a big salary, but he always had money in his pocket. We just never had luxuries that we could happily live without. I never had a steak or a pizza until I left home for college. I never missed them either. We had pork chops or chicken on the weekends and vegetables during the week. I’d still rather have pork or chicken than steak. We all went to the grocery store together on Saturday afternoons. The morning was spent watching westerns and cartoons on a black & white TV. We never got a color TV. But we never missed it because the ones we had seen had horrible color.

        The house we lived in cost only $2,400 in 1960. It originally had one bedroom and a combination living room/kitchen, and there were four of us. But my father was able to make double payments each month and then doubled the size of the house by building it himself with help from friends. Now newlyweds expect to have a large, perfect house right at the start. Then they both have to work and complain about the money situation.

        That’s incorrect saying that we wish we could go back to the time of Dickens. We just want to go back to the simpler, less expensive, less stressful times of the 1950s and 1960s. Or are you too young to remember?

        I know I’ve rambled on, but I had to explain what it is that most of us would like to go back to.

        • Kevin2

          I caught the pail end of that being 57 years old.

          I will say that medical advances have allowed me to be 57 years old. Technology was always disruptive. The problem is that its advancement is accelerating faster than society can incorporate it without too much of a negative effect.

          • Kevin2

            oops tail not pail

        • Kulafarmer

          Great post Archivist

        • Pissed Off Granny

          Archivist:

          Boy, would I like to join you on that trip. Sweet ramblins!

          • Archivist

            I take that trip in my mind almost every day. I am working on a combination autobiography/family history/genealogy so that my nephews and nieces and their descendants will know what I and their ancestors experienced. History books in the future may not portray things correctly.

            I have a huge notebook with entries for every day since the day I was born. There is something for each day, even if it’s just the weather. I have important events of the day listed and recording dates of famous records. I have thousands of photos and documents that will be included.

            I tell young people that they should keep a diary, because they may want to relive those moments someday. I have to write everything down now because at my age things seem to be happening faster and faster.

            And as Archivist, I am compelled to document and record everything.

            When I start writing about the past, I can see it all as if it were yesterday.

            • hammerhead

              Well , Dont forget McCarthyism , Red scare paranoia and all the backyard bomb shelters , Korean war ETC.
              The fifties were not as simple as maybe you remember?

              Either way ,i would roll back the clock as well.

        • Old Guy

          I grew up in the 1950,s & 60,s. The USA at that time was a one time anomoly in the history of the world. We became the worlds producers. Europe was bombed out. Untouched by war on out shores The USA had the factory,s natural resources & work force. We became the making producers for the entire planet. If someone wanted or needed something they came here first. However the UN types began giving our money away to our former adversarys. They determined that the USA so called middle class had more than their fair share. So the fake gas shortage was created in the 1970,s and we began to decline. NAFTA and other free trade laws allowed our jobs to be redistributed. Fast forward to today and the predomately white so called making productive middle class is no longer needed or wanted by the elete. they are being replaced by the brown skinned folks who make very good peons & serfs. You can bet after the recent elections there will be a big push to make the illegals citizens. the Dems want their votes. The dems are not much better than the repubs however nobody likes losing the power & money that go with the elected position. We wont ever return to the 1960,s

        • TEST

          Best post of the day.

          We don’t have true private healthcare now with 3rd party payers, as you note. That’s part of the problem (along with tort reform needed)

    30. Copperhead

      We have three branches of Government; none can exist without the other two so the way I see it they all have to play together. Oh sure they do this and do that every now in then you know make it look like they are independent of one another, but it boils down to, they all sleep in the same room. They all are feed by the good old taxpayer every last one of them. So until the food source (taxpayer) get P~SSED OFF to a certain point it’s I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine. Now with what is happening today with the food source just maybe the SCOTUS might rule against OBUMER on this one. Here again they look out across the country and there is more than a few lynch mobs out there now on many things. So they will probably help scrape OBUMER CARE. As for the Constitution; not one of them care if they step all over it to get their way, NONE. We all know that it’s going to hit the fan soon (at least on here), continue to prepare (YOU’RE SHTF INSURANCE PLAN), if it doesn’t one big party then, in reality the SH~T is going to get deeper than a tree soon. Be safe my friends.

      NOMI (Kula I like NOMFI)

    31. Scavenger

      OT, but…what going on with this “Black Energy” malware that was supposedly planted by the Russians designed to shut down our utility infrastructure? I don’t see too much out there about it, call me paranoid, but if true, that sounds pretty close to catastrophic to me.

      • hammerhead

        Dont worry , the government is hard at work getting it out of the systems .
        So we are saved yet again !

      • Anonymous

        “Black Energy” might be a new name for “ISIS”. Tomorrow they may come up with something else so we don’t feel the enema called Obama care. I just lost the counts of how many horror and monsters are after us each day to destroy us. Maybe they do it so we just don’t see the enemy is within.

        • hammerhead


          “so we just don’t see the enemy is within.”

          YEP , sooo true .
          It seems that the US now has more enemies IN our government than we have real threats outside.
          Tough times ahead .

    32. Copperhead

      A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles in a year.
      another study found Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.
      That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon.
      Kind of makes you proud to be American.

      NOMI

      • TheGuy

        MOAR drinking and sitting on your ass!

        Let’s shoot for 100 mpg 😀

    33. Nopittypartyhere

      I know most of you don’t watch MSM. Saw a news report earlier, super typhoon NURI has cooled and is going to cause hell to freeze over! JK, but seriously, it’s going to screw with the jet stream and Billings Montana will be 10* Monday. Early to mid next week 2/3 of us will have temps 20-40* below average. If you haven’t got your firewood or pipes ready get on it.

    34. aljamo

      People all over the world just breed too damn much. Sure, nobody asked to be born. The ability to replicate so easily is a major flaw in human beings. Stop the rabbit rate of breeding of humans and much of the world’s problems are solved. Overbreeding is repulsive, common sense. But I do believe health care is a human right, taxpayers should all be covered at no cost. Kill the medical establishment and associated greedy money suckers ability to fleece sick people. Cut defense (offense) spending by hundreds of billions a year. Problem solved.

      • Archivist

        Health care is not a right. Being fed, clothed, and sheltered is not a right. You don’t have a right to go to the doctor for every little thing you think is a problem and have the government force me at gunpoint to pay for it. I help as many people as I can afford to, but I could do much more if the government wasn’t taking my money and giving it to other people just because they want it and think it’s their “right” to have it.

        Your so-called “right” is nothing but selfishness.

        • John Q. Public

          Agreed 100% Archivist! You nailed Aljamo (see my post above about lazy morons).

          There are few possible “solutions” for Aljamo:

          (1) Since Aljamo is such a depopulation enthusiast, he could be among the first to volunteer and completely forego any medical care, food, water, etc.

          (2) Aljamo could go to school for 24 years so he can take care of himself, or

          (3) Aljamo could go to school for 24 years so he can work days, nights, holidays, and weekends for FREE helping others!

          I thought of a 4th possibility, but I couldn’t put it onto polite words… oh well.

        • Nopittypartyhere

          @archivist, I have a hypnosis practice. I do serious work, not hokum. I work with pain patients, medical hypnosis and the usual smoking, etc. I had a phone call last month. She wanted to quit smoking. She smoke 2 packs a day. I tell her about my program (no 1-session and forget you program here) and how much it costs. She says “oh I have Medicare” I told her I offer a 50% discount for Medicare and I accept cash/cc/chk/debit. She said you don’t take insurance and I told her no ma’am, because you wouldn’t find an insurance anywhere that would pay me what it takes to spend 1-1/2 -2 hours with a single client and I would go bankrupt. She hung up on me.

          The reality is I set my price so that at full cost, 6 weeks of not being a smoker pays for itself at 1ppd in CT. As a Medicare client, it would only take 1 month at 1ppd CT prices.

          Some folks just want shit for free and don’t want to change that bad. She didn’t even give me tha chance to tell her I offer payment plans so that as she save money from not smoking she can pay me. She probably would have been non compliant anyway, so no loss on my end.

        • Toxic

          This was not ever about healthcare. If it was, they would have built free clinics. This is about forcibly selling a product. Many Obamacare “customers” can’t get healthcare now, so that should be making more people angry than it does.

    35. Doorman

      Let’s pray to God in the name of Jesus, that God moves the hearts of the supreme court judges to rule completely against Obamacare.

      Such a ruling would be a great relief to many Americans who are sick and tired of watching the usurper Obama getting away with his actions of destroying America.

      • dazed and confused

        If your god is so powerful, why did he let Obamacare come into being inthe first place, unless your god is some knd of psychpath who gets amusement out of seeing people in torment.

        BTW, if you people who call themselves christains did your jobs as christains, maybe all these ebents you bemoan so wold not occur. But, you are just like most of the human race. You would rather blame others rather taking responsibility for your own failures.

        • The Old Coach

          Because God is not a dictator. He gave us free will, and all too often we use that gift badly.

          • TEST

            Exactly correct.

        • Smokey

          Who do you blame for your failure to correctly spell simple words of the English language?

        • Archivist

          You are confused and perhaps in a daze.

          God “allows” many things because he gave man free will. He wanted people to willingly worship, not worship like robots because they couldn’t do otherwise. If you choose to cross the street at the wrong time, you get run over by a truck. It’s not because God “allowed” it. It’s because you chose the wrong time to cross the street using your free will, and the truck driver perhaps chose the time he was driving down the street using his free will.

          Christians and people who merely call themselves Christians are two different things. All of the popes call themselves Christians, but some of them ordered crusades. Don’t expect Christians to be perfect either. We are told by Jesus “be ye therefore perfect.” But that is rarely achieved.

          Of course I blame others for Obamacare, because others voted for it without reading it first, and our first Muslim president pushed it. He’s another one who has called himself a Christian, yet refers to the “holy Koran.” Anyone who refers to any book other than the Bible as holy is not a Christian.

          You need to read the Bible from cover to cover and study it. It’s not that hard to do. The King James version is 5th grade level reading material and is shorter than the longest of the Harry Potter books that kids devoured in a matter of days.

          • TEST

            Very good response, and well put.

        • Toxic

          I hear all this badmouthing about Judaism while popes sit on golden thrones, they build TBN towers of crystal, the elderly are bilked out of millions so minister’s dogs can ride in limousines, and folks seem obsessed with huge half a million dollar statues and crosses dotting the landscape while some bozos passed laws in Florida to bully folks feeding the homeless. This country is upside down, religion is upside down, and it used to be so different. People make careers out of begging with decent cars and comfy homes while others starve to death or freeze in their beds. We have several third-world countries (NA Reservations) in our borders. Dental care is unobtainable for most, and there are some people who spend more on dog toys in a year than entire families spend on food. Television is garbage. Even the learning channel focuses on freak-show programs and fakery while most people don’t even know the people who live next door to them. Where’s the shame? Where’s the outrage other than a few fringe website forums and comment sections? Hold your family close, be good people even when the world is a mess, keep the creator in your heart, and keep your head down. Hope all of us make it through this okay.

    36. Copperhead

      In the end, the Roman empire became fragmented; “The Crisis Century” as it is often termed. Economic depression and poor government control led to dissent and rebellion and in the worst cases, extreme destructive violence.

      NOMI

    37. Overwatch

      I have been very lucky to have a full time job for many years now. With that job came good health insurance, Blue Cross, Cigna, it just depended on which was offered each year. For my family, I always bought the best of the plans offered. Up until last year, that choice cost me about $200.00 every two weeks. It was a bargain because it covered almost everything, had low co-pays, and virtually no deductible. I felt like I was providing for my family.
      Over the last year or so, that $200.00 only pays for the middle tier plan. Co-pays are $50.00, deductibles $3200.00, and doesn’t cover everything. Sure I could get a plan with a lower co-pay and deductible, but that would run me $500.00 per pay period. I would have gotten diverticulitis surgery last year but who the hell can afford 20% of that? Screw it, I just won’t eat peanuts and popcorn. If these jackasses do get rid of Obozocare, great. I won’t hold my breath though. Shoulda stayed in the Goddamn Army.

    38. overthecliff

      It’s not going to happen. They have something on John Roberts.

    39. the Lone Ranger

      What I believe is that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of the Affordable Care Act for one reason: their lives will be threatened if they rule against it because it legislates the mark of the beast in it (a Class 2 implantable medical device) to be in every American by 10/3/16.

      Such a device, about the size of a grain of rice, can disable your free will. Patents abound.

      Do not take the mark!

      Of course, I don’t want them to rule in favor of the ACA nor do I wish to see them (or anyone) threatened!

      But if they rule in favor of the ACA now you will know why.

      – the Lone Ranger

      • Hunter

        Thank you…LR!

        ..thumbs up to ya!