Compromised: Hackers Gain Access to 23 U.S. Spacecraft, Top Level User Accounts at NASA Jet Propulsion Labs

by | Mar 9, 2012 | Headline News | 233 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    If this doesn’t demonstrate how susceptible our national computer networks and infrastructure are to rogue threats and state sponsored cyber warfare, than we don’t know what does:

    Chinese hackers gained ‘full access’ to the computer network in one of Nasa’s key control centres, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

    JPL manages 23 spacecraft conducting active space missions, including missions to Jupiter, Mars and Saturn.

    The hackers, operating from an internet address in China, gained full system access in November 2011, allowing them to upload hacking tools to steal user IDs and control Nasa systems, as well as copy sensitive files.

    ‘The intruders had compromised the accounts of the most privileged JPL users, giving the intruders access to most of JPL’s networks,’ said National Aeronautics and Space Administration Inspector General Paul Martin. 

    Martin said the hackers gained full system access, which allowed them to modify, copy, or delete sensitive files, create new user accounts and upload hacking tools to steal user credentials and compromise other NASA systems.

    Source: Daily Mail

    While JPL may not directly control access to the military’s surveillance and weapons systems, the networks likely utilize security measures similar to those used by the Pentagon, which means that those systems are just as susceptible as NASA. In recent years the Pentagon has also dealt with widespread, coordinated attacks originating from China, Russia and rogue operatives that have allowed hackers to gain access to highly sensitive materials.

    In addition to the obvious threat posed by cyber attacks that compromise space and military defense systems, it is clear that the Chinese especially are working to deliberately sabotage our national security, as was demonstrated recently when the United States Navy detected the existence of some 59,000 computer chips from China that were manufactured with ‘back doors’ which could be used at an opportune time to affect everything from missile guidance systems to tracking of friendlies and enemies on the battlefield.

    But cyber attacks aren’t limited to just military systems or NASA. Recent reports suggest the whole of the U.S. computer grid is constantly being tested and exploited.

    According to experts in the public and private sectors, there are staggering holes in national infrastructure security. In October of last year major cyber security firms detected a new trojan that was capable of Disrupting Power Plants, Oil Refineries and Other Critical Infrastructure Networks, much like the Stuxnet virus which was used to bypass software warning systems and destroy the physical centrifuges used to enrich uranium in Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    General Keith Alexander, commander of U.S. Cyber Command, warned that it is exactly these critical network components – Physical Infrastructure, Commerce, Transportation Systems – that will be attacked if the U.S. were ever engaged in military conflict or attacked by cyber terrorists.

    Threats posed by cyber-attacks on computer networks and the Internet are escalating from large-scale theft of data and strikes designed to disrupt computer operations to more lethal attacks that destroy entire systems and physical equipment.

    Source: Cyber Attacks Will Target Physical Infrastructure, Commerce, Transportation Systems

    We don’t have to get into the details of the consequences of such attacks. Suffice it to say that a properly executed attack that includes a takeover of GPS systems and spacecraft, military defense capabilities, and utilities like power and water would be devastating – a literal end of life in America as we know it within one day’s time.

    Anti-terror specialist Richard Clark described how quickly our modern day, computer controlled infrastructure could be taken out:

    In his warning, Mr Clarke paints a doomsday scenario in which the problems start with the collapse of one of Pentagon’s computer networks.

    Soon internet service providers are in meltdown. Reports come in of large refinery fires and explosions in Philadelphia and Houston. Chemical plants malfunction, releasing lethal clouds of chlorine.

    Air traffic controllers report several mid-air collisions, while subway trains crash in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. More than 150 cities are suddenly blacked out. Tens of thousands of Americans die in an attack comparable to a nuclear bomb in its devastation.

    Yet it would take no more than 15 minutes and involve not a single terrorist or soldier setting foot in the United States.

    Source: 900 Seconds: Cyber Attack Wouldn’t Take Long to Bring Down the USA

    The Chinese, Russians and others have been systematically dissecting our computer network systems for a decade or longer. There is a high probability that our entire power, water, gas, financial and transportation grids have been mapped in great detail. Moreover, as described above, trojans and backdoors are waiting to be activated when the time is right.

    If you wake up one day and your internet isn’t working, cell phones aren’t connecting, grocery stores can’t process credit card transactions and electricity in your area is out or unstable, then the most likely culprit is a large scale cyber attack.

    If that day ever comes it will behoove you to have made preparations to help endure the chaos and subsist when the normal flow of food and commerce come to a halt.


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      1. The American toilet still works.

        • Thank God for small favors, but unless you are on a septic system not connected to a city, you won’t be able to flush for long.

          • The Russian system is down right now. We’re not connected to a city but we are kind of connected to a country. We recycle all H2O. Solids get shipped back to Earth. We’re beyond Berkey but we have a few of them too. It’s a mental thing.

            It’s all chemistry. Thanks Mac.

          • Anonymous, No big deal here, but I have a question for you. Is the post above yours or mine because I would have sworn I typed those words, but I have never used Anonymous as my handle.

            How can that be?

        • Too bad DC is too big of a turd to flush. I’d hit the handle if I thought it would work…

          But, aside from that, its not difficult to keep these bastards out. The reason they can’t is because they depend on corporate created complex firewalls and intrusion detection systems.

          I’ve got a RangerBox that will do the trick for them but they’d never buy it. It doesn’t look complex enough so they would assume it wouldn’t work. It works for my 20,000 user (8,000 node) network with 27 separate links to the internet.

          The way it operates is far more secret than JPL’s firewalls. How do I know this? I know this because I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS HOW IT WORKS. I wrote it, from scratch.

          Defeating hackers is easy. Dealing with bureaucrats, office politics and stupid administrators is the hard part.

          This is what commercial firewalls do. They’re so complex that they follow that one rule: “If you can’t blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

          My rule: Make it simple. Make if fast. My firewalls are already half pissed at the packets your sending. Give it a little excuse of ANY TYPE and you’re done. I even hammers me sometimes and I have to sneak in the back door and change its mind.

          But, I don’t have a doctorate, a masters or even a batchelors degree. Those are the names of the 4th, 5th and 6th brilliance blocking boxes that your brain and previous box gets put into. So, they’ll never call me.

          Let them suffer. I can fix their problems but they don’t want them fixed. Its all about politics, contracts and bribes. I don’t work like that.

          [email protected] is only an e-mail away. 2 months max and the hackers, world wide, would be SOL.

          • WHY would the US buy chinese manufactured chips for military use?

            The Chinese using those chips someday to gain access to US systems is as likely as a kid filching a chocolate chip cookie left out on the cooling rack within reach in Mama’s kitchen. Like the kid filching a cookie, you KNOW it’s gonna happen 100%.

            Billions of dollars, hundreds of “brainiacs” and they make an basic security error unworthy of a welfare Mama off the Jerry Springer Show?

            Either some of those “brainiacs” need to be fired or it’s by deliberate design.

            I’m not sure which option scares me more.

          • @NetRanger, my respect for your input has taken a geometric rise… “I can fix their problems but they don’t want them fixed”. Not only don’t THEY want them fixed, these “problems” were manufactured and integrated into “the mix” with full intent. The potential “false flag” repercussions are an endless source of war mongering propaganda.

            With respect to the “DC turd too big to flush”, a nice mini-gun with unlimited ammo will cut “that turd” into easily flushable pieces.

            REVOLUTION…it is whats for dinner…in the very near future.

            • Yental, Sure wish I could call you crazy and stupid.

              The world would say you’re just another “Conspiracy Theorist” saying its all manufactured.

              After a while, you figure out that nobody can be that stupid and incompetent. The stupidity and incompetence is used as a cover so you don’t go looking around to find out the real agenda.

              …about that minigun, I don’t like that idea. After all, we paid for those buildings. I prefer rope. I can tie a good hangman’s noose.

        • That just means I can vote this year…………………..

      2. Good job for not saying FIRST!

      3. Don’t mean to change the subject here, but did anyone else notice that the ISDA declared that Greece is actually in default just as the NYSE closed for the day?

          • The fed will pick up the bill!! print,print,print that mighty dollar!!

            • You forgot that it’s all electronic now.
              “Copy-Paste that (once) mighty dollar!

        • Good to know, did Gold/Silver go up?

          • We’ll see Monday. It was strategically declared just at the market closed for the week. I notice not one major news source has said a thing about it. Not. One.

        • Yeah but that was expected…Im still waiting for the 23rd…its suppose to colapse, or so some say

        • I love it when people say things like, don’t mean to change the subject, or no disrespect intended, and the like. Because it is exactly what they intended, or else why even bring light the fact that it is what I am about to do.

          • Hey-fake Clamation
            Don’t take it (so hard)
            Please hang in there….

            • Sorrya

          • It’s considered a common courtesy to use that phrase so that the poster can convey to the author of the article that he would like to share unrelated news, but would would like the conversation about the author’s article to continue as it was intended. So, no, I didn’t INTEND to jack his topic, I just wanted to point something out so everyone is in the know.

            And now you know. And knowing is half the battle…

            • You watched G.I. Joe alot didnt you

          • ??????

            • Should have elaborated, Who the heck is using my avatr. Mac Did they use my e-mail (I always use it to post faster!) as well? That would mean I/we have deeper problems @ SHTFPlan.

        • The ECB had been denying that it was an actual default so that they could refuse to cover any insurance claims thru CDS’s.

      4. I think they hacked into the hypercom at the liquor store the other day, The poor girl was running credit cards the old fashioned way. Be safe all.

        • Surprised she knew how — last year we went into a western store bought some stuff. We paid cash (as always) but the register was down. The kid was having a time trying to figure up the total on the portable calculator so we helped him along. Then we asked for a cash receipt — oh horrors, you would have thought we asked for a bar of gold. Finally after we coached him through it, we got our stuff and left.

          But yeah, no power, BIG PROBLEM!! It will be a domino effect… a nightmare that I don’t want to think about.

      5. I’m sure that this was all an American Government plot.

        Just like all of our guys who got killed in Iraq, served them right for get’n in the way of some Muslin’s bullet!Oh, all those IED’s made in Iran, really defective toaster ovens.

        This world is a dangerous place and we have many enemies.

        • No, this IS the chinese. If hackers take down the financial computers, and all of the debt the bankers, government employees visa’s, and the comex records get wiped out, BUT all the general publics debts are still there, then it would be a gubmint plot, and I would have to call bull$hit!

          • Really, this isn’t a super secret plot to “take over The World” by Pinkie and the Brain? I thought that’s all you guys ever yapped about, how rough you got it and how everything is just a major screw job aimed at cheating everybody out of everything!
            No wait, it’s the Neocons and Jews, they did it, not the Red Chinese.

            • Who are “all you guys”? You can’t lump all the individuals on this web site together. I can assure you a high percentage of these folks who frequent this site, don’t have it rough, and the ones going through hard times are prepared for it, and are taking it in stride. Yes, the banking system,tax system, and the slow death of this republic(democracy for you “true conservitives”) is screwing us out of everything, YOU INCLUDED.

            • What is your problem? Why can’t you play nice with others without being such an asshole? Sure, people don’t agree all the time but you got a bug up your ass for some reason. That’s what debates are all about, seeing all different opinions from people WITHOUT mud slinging. A little civility goes a long way.

              If you don’t like it here, go some where else. At least try to be more cordial. You sure have a way of rubbing people the wrong way. Unless of course, that’s your intention.

            • Come on Kev, it’s the Jews, you know you want to blame them, and the Neocons too. Go ahead, J-e-….

            • @squint
              I assume you are writing to me. You really don’t want my answer. #1. You can’t see it and #2 You won’t see it.
              I detest the World View expoused by Paul and all his blind followers. You see I’m old enough to know a demigod when I see one.
              You guys always write about “Sheeple” when it’s your group that follows blindly along.
              Sometimes you need to speak softly to make your point, other times you need TNT.
              What I have found with people who have almost a cult like mind set,the only way of getting thru is aggressive attack. Paul is weak on two points, Drugs and Isreal. Thus I write Potheads for Paul.

            • Bro, I do not support drug use, especially anyone in my family. BUT the war on drugs have cost trillions,tens of thousands of more are in our prisons,The police/gubmint impound(steal) peoples personal property ALL the time,some cops are knee deep in the illegal drug trade, wich out of that grows corruption. The attacks on PERSONEL LIBERTIES is the issue, not getting high. And for isreal??? I don’t give a rats ass about them. America FIRST!!!!

            • Mook, explain WHY you do not support ron paul about isreal, what has he said or done to them?

            • @Zen

              “You guys always write about “Sheeple” when it’s your group that follows blindly along.”

              A. Following blindly means having someone lead you without question or comment. You just go along because someone said you should, no research.

              B. Following, but not blindly, refers to one who follows based on sound information or action, such as looking asomeone’s voting record or introduced bills.

              Many of us are letter B, Zen. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate opposing the bankers. He has the potential to free the nation from our current economic slavery. A vote against Paul is a vote for the Fed. Do you prefer having the Fed?

            • Zen Mook: “No wait, it’s the Neocons and Jews, they did it, not the Red Chinese.” Finally, a semi-intelligent comment. More unintended truth than you planned, no doubt.

              And no, I am not a Ron Paul messiah pusher. One man with no support from congress, AIPAC, ADL, SPLC, and Likudnuts cannot make a difference. Even if ‘he’ survives in the impossible scenario as “elected/appointed” POTUS. Don’t get me wrong…I like ‘Paul’s’ message…I also live in the real world.

            • I’m worried & fret over someone discovering that I am a gay pedophile too.

          • A government plot or plan?

            Science ‘czar’ giving China U.S. technology

            “A congressman says he’s alarmed that President Obama’s science “czar,” John Holdren, apparently has been collaborating with the Chinese even though Congress specifically prohibited that activity in a bill signed into law by his boss, Obama.”

            “In a published statement prepared for the meeting, Holdren said he knew about the ban and wouldn’t follow it.”


            • Why am I not surprised.

            • Zen Mook
              I have to admit that I am just a cult follower like you have so wisely discerned.
              After discussing this with my Celestial Grand Master, that I unfortunately will not meet until he descends from the heavens on his asteroidal chariot in February 2013, I have been given the following revelation.
              You are the mighty selected holey word, speaking truth with the voice of unseen intelligence and the spirits of the realm of Air (gaseous as they are) hang on your every word.
              Your enlightened balance of all essential prime chakras will doubly align with the Cosmic (Cosmook?)planets in December 2012. To prepare, the Majestic ones beg you take your asstronomical teachings to share with others more open to your increadible understanding of the cosmos.
              Go with the bright blessings of the Celestial Armies of Apple Pie, Truth and the American Way..

            • back in the day – that got you hung drawn and quartered as a traitor – just sayin’

          • A couple more examples of Chinese plans for the U.S.

            Chinese researchers publish “How to attack the U.S. Power Grid : Cascading Failure of the entire system”



            Official Chinese documentary reveals military cyber-attacks against US

            “Buried in an official military documentary, a six-second clip aired on Chinese TV shows a custom-built computer program launching a cyber-attack from a compromised U.S. IP address.”


        • @Zen ‘Mook’,Tell me what i
          want 2 hear,0 yeah,oh baby…
          Quite apparent to me, you
          Are not…
          aww,screwit, enough denigrating
          Mac’s site with your psy-op
          How much they payin’ ya?

      6. The Chinese can’t make anything in its own so it has to copy from someone else all the time.

        • You got that right. They came over and studied our highway system and coppied interchange design. For that thumb down-how do you say microchip,computer,and laser in chinese??? Microchip,computer, and laser.

          • Obviously the Chinese CAN make chips to be used in miltary installations!

            Why didn’t the US make their OWN chips?

      7. Russia and China have been making moves that lead analysts to belive they are preparing for war or something big. So it does not make me feel comfortable to think that they are hacking into OUR security systems. Makes it kinda hard to defend oneself if they can point our own missles at us.
        And why are they available to the internet? Why are they not on a private intranet? They should not recognize any computer that is not part of their system.

      8. Just gotta ask: Why are we buying microchips for our military equipment from anyone but an American company? I don’t care about the few pennies savings. This is exactly why we should be manufacturing ALL military equipment here in the US. How dumb do we have to be to buy microchips from our enemy? The mind just boggles!!!!!

        • @c — pretty damn dumb, ain’t it?! Asking for trouble and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

          STUPID, STUPID, STUPID DUMB-ASS GOV.!!!! sorry for the rant, feel a little better, but not much. Scary thought, seriously.

        • They are also repairing our failing infrastructure.
          Why them and not our companies? Simple. They are doing it for less money.
          Sleeping with the enemy to save a buck.

          • Yes but you want to be me, don’t you

        • But to the people who have wrested control of ‘our’ government over the past many decades, ‘they’ are not the enemy.

      9. Russia, China, Iran, India, Pakistan and others are members of the SCO, which is a military alliance. Yes, in my opinion you are correct, they will someday go to war with us. But, according to the Paulbots, it will be those “Evil Jews” fault and of course our own, because we want everybody to use the dollar instead of The Yuan, Ruble, Rupee, ect.

        You ask go questions about our internet security? He Russia is already flying Bomber Missions along our borders, and have re-targeted our cities as well, so why not?

        • dude, you were doing great for 2 lines of your comment. Who/what is a paulbot? Are you a romneybot?. You better watch it, saying phrases like “evil jews” will get you on the aclutaxpayerfunded-southernlawforprofit-center-homelandsecerity-tsa watchlist..

          • @kevin, he’s probably one of those, you know, pot-heads.

          • Kev, the first step to being happy is admitting what you are, what would you prefer to Paulbot? Ron Zombie?

            Hey, you dudes diss it out real hard to anybody who doesn’t hold your crappy views, so too bad, stop bitch’n. Waaaaaaa!

            • Hit us back with facts!! name calling just gets the hornets stiring around here brother, don’t take it personally. HIT BACK WITH FACTS, not names. I do support ron paul, but I sure as hell don’t agree with him ALL the time, but I disagree ALOT more with alot of what the what the other candidates say; WAR!!!!!!!!!!WAR!!!!!!!! Did you hit the link I posted called mousetown?? That will answer alot of your questions of WHY alot of people support ron paul.

            • You don’t even know what facts are my friend. What I state is my opinion, what you state is yours.

              I’ve been a Conservative since Barry F’n Goldwater kid. The first time I voted for a Conservative was 1960 Boy! Long before you and your mob were born, or took your first hit off a joint. Ron Paul is a demigod, and all you too young to know better/low I.Q’s KKK members are falling for a load of CRAP! (Now that’s not a fact, that’s my opinion) It’s cult and someday you’ll wake up a regret having fallen for the B.S.

        • Say what???? Didn’t quite catch that last part….

        • MOOK- WOW!! Do you really believe all bull$hit you just typed?? In another post you said we were a “free country”, and I asked you to start listing them.I will list some for you(more,again). Due process???-ndaa,gone. Innocent until proven guilty???-ndaa, gone. Right to trial by piers???-ndaa, gone. Right to no cruel or unusual punishment??? ndaa, gone. The right to be secure in our houses, papers and effects against search and seizure-war on drugs and patriot act, gone,gone,gone, and gone. I could go on, and on, and on, and on. These ARE FACTS not opinions. READ the NDAA law just passed yourself. Putting your head in the sand and just calling people racists, will NOT turn FACTS INTO OPINIONS!! Thank you for your time, and God bless you and yours in the times ahead!!

      10. They need to update those old Windows programs

        • Won’t help as long as there is a thing called a “0-Day”.

      11. I was watching a news program that did a great job of explaining that China could throw the switch and turn off our electricity anytime they want, but why kill the cash cow as long as it continues to give milk.

        I feel sorry for city folks who rely on electric heat and water treatment plants. My grandfather grew up without electricity and while I’m certainly not looking forward to it, he taught me well.

        Mountaineers Are Always Free

        • Turning off the grid would be a great cover for a bank holiday, but “they” wouldn’t do that.

          • The cash cow is still giving some milk.

            U.S. Borrowing Big From China While Also Giving It Aid

            “Why in the world would we be borrowing money and then turn around and giving it back to the countries that we’re borrowing it from?” Sen. Tom Coburn ofOklahoma.


            • Ky Mom…great question. Seems this is standard method of operation.
              A few months ago I read one of the countries on monetary collapse status (and soon) owes us, but it stated we are borrowing the money we loaned them…Spain maybe??
              How stupid is that—would any NORMAL family budget that way??

            • It is called Agenda 21: spreading the wealth from developed nations (read not communist) to others. Go online and read for yourself but I warn you, there is massive wording there. Look for action words and phrased and see for yourself. Another name for it is slight of hand or stealing but Agenda 21 sounds very legal and ok ( unless you read the document and then it is scary as hell).

          • @kevin,

            Turning off the grid would be a great excuse to “accidently” turn off the containment at CDC labs; allow some of those flu viruses engineered to be more virulent to be released among the useless eaters. Plus, it would have the effect of confining the pandemic to North America due to air travel also being down.

            • Oh Moon, you just came up with a wicked scenario that is actually possible. Man oh man, another end game for us. Now THAT is spooky!!!

              Aren’t you just a ray of sunshine?!!!! LOL… (giggles)

            • moon, That is a scary thought. What scares me the most though, is that, by law, nuclear powerplants only have to have a weeks worth of diesel fuel for the back up generators for their water circulation pumps!!! People can head for the hills and try their best to isolate their families from other people when disease spreads, but with a hundred fukashima’s going off at once, N. America would be wasted. There would be no where to run to, and nowhere to go.

        • “I was watching a news program that did a great job of explaining that China could throw the switch and turn off our electricity anytime they want, but why kill the cash cow as long as it continues to give milk.”

          We are a cash cow for China? All we have to offer is debt and they don’t want that anymore. The “news” is merely setting the stage for later blame when the banksters are forced to take such a drastic action as shutting down the net.

          • Sorry to disagree, GC, but there is plenty to offer and the Chinese are in bad need of it. It is called “GRAIN” and we have the ability to grow more here than anywhere else in the world. Osama-a-dom, set the stage for that when he made a deal to China last year for the bulk of our wheat harvest for three years. If the Chinese can come in and take over our farmlands, we are at their mercy for food supplies. Personally I don’t think it will ever come to that, but who knows what kind of “out of the publics eye” deals are being done by politicians and their lawyers.

            • In exchange for some of our debt or to secure it, our Congress gave large tracts of US land to the Chinese to build chinese factories here on US soil. They will staff them with chinese workers. Can anyone but me see that this could be a huge Trojan Horse?! Factories that are legally considered Chinese land on US soil, built & staffed by chinese “workers” could house huge underground military operations and the workers could be chinese soldiers. For what purpose? When they hit the switch and everything in our lives goes off, their military could emerge from each and every one of those 50 sites and take over that city and yes they are located in or near major cities. Just a crazy thought I hope.

          • You may not be aware of this, but we have a lot of natural resources which not only are we not exploiting, but our creditors have a legitimate claim upon. We appear to differ on whether the U.S. will hand them over willingly or they will have to be taken by force.

            While true we owe the Federal Reserve more than China, but since it is owned by member banks so China is a greater concern.

            Just as the rich rule over the poor, the borrower is servant to the lender. – Proverbs 22:7

            • “”While true we owe the Federal Reserve more than China, but since it is owned by member banks so China is a greater concern.””

              I don’t owe the Federal Reserve or the Chinese anything.

              You are still wide asleep.

        • One American cruise missile in the middle of the Three Gorges Damn would flood half of China, too.

          Let’s get real people. Not gonna happen.

          The GB’s and the CCP are PARTNERS, dividing the world between them. All the rhetoric is smoke and mirrors to distract YOU from the men behind the curtain.

          • Which half? Certainly the elites in China have already shown they will kill their own people without remorse.

            Sounds like someone needs to cancel their subscription to Prison Planet TV, move out of their parent’s basement, and find some purpose for their life.

            • PP: The point was not which half. It doesn’t matter which half. One American cruise missile could flood half of China.

              The half with 3/4 of the countries population who are living along the Yellow River, and that includes both peasants and politicos.

              My comment was in response to the idea that WE need to fear China’s ability to destroy US. They are not going to attack their customer base. That would be bad for business.

              Wealth is glorious.

        • I am no compuwizard, but I wonder if the Chinese hackers or whomever else is involved could hit the delete key and your 401K, bank accounts, investment accounts, retirement accounts, digital holdings accounts (precious metal paper account) would magically disappear? In the chaos how would these accounts be resurrected. Are they all backed up on hard copy? (or did somebody have a foopah and forget to) If you think about it, it might be an interesting way of reducing a lot of encumbering debt, of course not being anybody’s fault and all. Just blame it on the despicable Chinese hackers. We’re sorry for your losses but what could we do? We were cyber-attacked. We feel your pain.

          I know this is way out there, but think of the beauty of. If you could run a thing like this and with a few strokes of a keyboard, wipe out a couple of trillion of debt and blame it on someone else that is realistically untouchable and out of reach. Why wouldn’t you or they? It looks like it’s in our faces. There is no way we would go to war over a cyber-attack. It would be handled diplomatically, as usual. And in the end we get what we normally get from this lot, wanna take a guess?

      12. All this really tells me is that we have become far too dependent upon machines of automation. No critical system should ever be placed in such a vulnerable position. Technology is the double edge sword of convenience versus enslavement. We are enslaved by our machines. Welcome to the Matrix.

      13. you would think that they would keep some of these files offline or not able to get or on paper where they belong. sometimes the most best ways are the simplest ways

      14. “If you wake up one day and your internet isn’t working, cell phones aren’t connecting, grocery stores can’t process credit card transactions and electricity in your area is out or unstable, then the most likely culprit is a large scale cyber attack.

        If that day ever comes it will behoove you to have made preparations to help endure the chaos and subsist when the normal flow of food and commerce come to a halt.”

        Fortunately, that’s how I live every day.

        • You Sir are a wise man.

          • I actually assume, it’s always in the background, that any any moment the systems could essentially, fuck up. I go someplace that’s 50 miles away, even more, I might have get home by “irregular” means. I always assume money in the bank can be “disappeared” at any time, that’s why I don’t keep more than $20 in the bank.

            Assuming the electrical grid will be up in the future as well as it’s been in the past is silly. Hell, the Internet isn’t what it was 10 years ago. Video is more like, a still picture every few seconds, accompanied by audio, sometimes the audio is messed up too. Pictures are generally OK for now, and audio works most of the time, but in general it resembles the 1997 internet more than the early 2000s one.

            Look at all the “deferred maintainence” around your town. Look at the snarls of telecom wire, the hinky electrical connections, etc. Now think about how everything’s been put under computer control, by people who could barely understand programming BASIC on the Apple ][e.

      15. Why not? We’ve sold our entire counrty debt to china in the last decade.. And Now they wanr the key to the front door..

        We should ask for a bail out from them- see if they “foreclose on us”..

        • It’s my understanding that both China and Russia are dumping our debt of late and The Fed is buying it, print print print.

      16. ha they were allowed to do that so obama could use that for an excuse to take over and controle the internet.
        wake up people

      17. looky here..


        ah ..oh , while you were paying attention to the last bit of hog wash we flushed down your throat..we passed a bunch of other shit to fuck with you…sincerely your fed gov

        they didnt catch anyone..

      18. Ok, thing to know for all you that have no clue. China state sponsored hackers and what I like to call mercenary hackers hack our systems everyday by the thousands. They go after EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING. They use YOUR computers as hop-throughs/hop-points to hide their originating IP’s. They pretty much own us in this department. We have maybe a thousand working this problem as where China has each of their military regions with their own particular set of taskings. And these hackers range in the thousands. OWNED!

      19. I am a prepper and I try to be ready for everything I can, but this article just blows my mind. No way can a man be ready for everything. Not much I can do about this stuff but be prepped. I think I am on information overload.

      20. “”If you wake up one day and your internet isn’t working, cell phones aren’t connecting, grocery stores can’t process credit card transactions and electricity in your area is out or unstable, then the most likely culprit is a large scale cyber attack.””

        No, that’s the most likely scapegoat for the corp. Should the internet ever go down, we better hope it is because of hackers and that those hackers disrupt the corp long enough for freedom to take hold.

      21. You wonder why our government doesn’t hire these hackers or at least hacker types to try to thwart them.

      22. You can’t wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. – Navajo

        Some people don’t want to hear the truth even when it smacks them in the face. Most want to live their lives with as little disruption as possible. The truth is, nothing lasts forever. In order to survive what changes lay ahead, you must be able to adapt quickly and quietly. Knowledge and awareness are key.

      23. I’ve read Clark’s book CYBER WAR

        highly recommended
        we are much more vulnerable than the average person realize

        “So we’re at a very perilous point where the U.S., among other nations, have very capable cyberwar units that are “preparing the battlefield”–planting logic bombs and trapdoors in each other’s infrastructures–and they don’t really know what their strategy would be if there were a cyberwar. The result could be an accidental cyberwar or something that’s meant to be a preparation that’s actually very destabilizing.”

      24. ZERO DAY is a fictional account of a cyber war scenario
        its written by an industry insider who knows his stuff
        (mentioned for those of you who like doomer porn)

        “An airliner falls from the sky. A nuclear reactor nearly melts down. An oil tanker runs aground. Jeff Aiken and Daryl Haugen believe these incidents are the result of a massive cyber attack that’s under way. The clock is ticking as they race to figure out who is behind it and how to stop it.

        Written by a global authority on cyber security, Zero Day presents a chilling “what if” scenario that, in a world completely reliant on technology, is more than possible today—it’s a cataclysmic disaster just waiting to happen.”

      25. Why dose everyone feed into Zen Mook? Don’t even click dis-like. Then again he will just have a different user name next week.

        • They click because they recognize even old gay bareback lovin’ pedophiles like me possess wry humor and a dash of spoiling hubris.

      26. Next month the gobberment will come up with a plan to create QE4 and a big part of it will be for their internet security. This will also allow them to continue with their plans for more laws like SOPA to strip you of your rights and invade your privacy. All they have to do is create a false flag like this and they will have free rien to dig through everyones computer.

      27. Any outside threat by ‘supposed” hackers is most likely an inside job to further curtail ,filter. and monitor all websites nationwide..


        .. the web is the only portal where sites like this can exist and disseminate alternative info not found on the MSM boob tube..or openly critique and question without interference the daily barrage of crap emanating from DC and all its extended bureaucracies..

        Many experts on cyber security have also stated that it is impossible to affect the actual power grids by hacking..only websites and their back doors..

      28. We don’t have enough ice! Turn back or I won’t be responsible.

      29. Is this really news worthy? We already know the govt is a sham. I urge all people to stop wasting your time and don’t vote. Yay let’s go vote so we can feel like we belong or that we have a say. When in fact the only say you have is what God allows. This is the only Hell you’ll ever know or it maybe the only heaven you’ll ever know the choice is yours. Let’s not waste precious time reporting on things that don’t matter. Sorry this was a bit of a rant.

      30. Cut copy paste Cut copy paste. Wow are they feeling it right now.When will these people wake up.You can’t have any thing on computers nothing.They will find a way in they allways do.At least the file room’s you had to get inthe room to look at the file,now just turn on and look at the file’s.C’mon some things need to go back to the way they were.File room’s room’s with lock etc. Wake up oh well back to work. Cut copy paste Cut copy paste.

      31. this is a cia false flag terror psy-ops piece… don’t believe the hype… it’s bullshit!

        it’s just trying to misdirect you all from the fiat illegal dollar crashing , hyperinflation and the nwo.cfr zionists led globalist BANKER war in the middle east too steal other sovereign countries sheeit for the zionist jews of israel!

        keep your eyes on greece folks… and the piigs… then the euro… then the dollar.

        prepare for a 40 % loss of purchasing power with your dollars over night…

        everything else is just fire works for show and fed gov cia israeli mossad nwo.cfr false-flags and misdirection!



        • Shut up!

      32. yalapfl(abbreviated)

        Couldn’t agree more..

        another misleading headline to keep your eyes off the ball

        Nothing is by accident..

        it is all by design..

        btw..Celente just posted a similar blog today March 9th..



      33. the united states pentagon and u.s. military war machine YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS are now under the COMMAND OF THE NWO GLOBALIST BANKERS IN BRUSSELS BELGIUM!!!



        THE WORLD BANK which is trying to enslave the known world under debt… now CONTROLS AMERIKA!



        its official america is now a servant state to the WORLD BANK and YOU ALL NOW SERVE for the pleasures of the NEW WORLD ORDER GLOBALISTS! WORLD BANK! And are now under UNITED NATIONS GLOBAL LAW!



        … buncha silly rabbits… your nuthin but sheep being lead to slaughter by your own traitorous state governors and traitorous u.s. congress critters! the usa prez is a empty sock puppet… nuthin more… a nwo.cfr zionist limp noodle.

        don’t blame yourselves , your ignorance is your shield… you ALL never had a chance… and YOUR CHILDREN WILL SUFFER GRAVELY FOR YOUR FEAR, WEAKNESS AND COWARDLINESS!


        • Ya Buncha Pussies:

          HIDE BENIND YOUR KEYBOARD YOU FUCKING COWARD.Don’t tell me that i’m a coward. I served in a war and also served 24 years in the ARMY What have you done for your country ??Don’t call me a pussy.I know you are what you eat, but HAVE YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY HONAROBLY????

          • @CLARK KENT

            Henry Kissinger Quote:

            “Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy”

            your nuthin but an ignorant old fool… a PAWN!

            All you did was help the Bush’s, Clinton’s, Carnegies, Warburgs, Family Rothschilds and the rest of the BilderBoyBuggers Wallstreet Bankers “Enslave” the World under a fake illegal fiat currency and Global Tax Debt Carbon Credit Slavery!

            You are not part of the solution … YOU and the Rest of the U.S. Military personnel are part of the PROBLEM!

            You are ALL nothing BUT IGNORANT GOYIM SOLDIER SLAVES to BE used up Enslaving the World for the WORLD BANK Globalist Banking Cartel!

            Wake up and smell the Global Banking One World Banker Government Fascism!

            Your nuthin but a dumb grunt… !!!

        • STFU Already, you idiot

      34. Regardless whether it’s true or not the fact is we been phucked, plucked and gonna be chucked into the trash pit that used the home of the free. Probably better it happen now while we’re still able to remember the experiment that was the good ole’ US of A. At least we’ll have something to compare to what our future is going to be.

        Imagine what it will be like for our kids and grand kids. They’ll be lil white specks floating aimlessly like bait amidst a brown, yellow and black human tidal wave that is going to be flooding our globe like a tsunami from hell.

        It took 120,000 years for the human population to reach 1 billion. To reach 7 billion (as of March 1, 2011) it only took another 206 years! India is set to overtake China in population then in a couple of decades Africa will overtake India.

        Luckily, I don’t have any grand kids yet.

        Hopefully Tunguska II will make quick work of us.

      35. Apologies if this gets posted more than once.

        Regardless whether it’s true or not the fact is we been phucked, plucked and gonna be chucked into the trash pit that used the home of the free. Probably better it happen now while we’re still able to remember the experiment that was the good ole’ US of A. At least we’ll have something to compare to what our future is going to be.

        Imagine what it will be like for our kids and grand kids. They’ll be lil white specks floating aimlessly like bait amidst a brown, yellow and black human tidal wave that is going to be flooding our globe like a tsunami from hell.

        It took 120,000 years for the human population to reach 1 billion. To reach 7 billion (as of March 1, 2011) it only took another 206 years! India is set to overtake China in population then in a couple of decades Africa will overtake India.

        Luckily, I don’t have any grand kids yet.

        Hopefully Tunguska II will make quick work of us.

      36. If you could spell America right .I might read your log .But as soon as I see that k instead of a c ,I scroll to the next comment, that may have some inteligent person on the other end THANKS FOR NUTHING:I bet your a ODUMBO sympathizer.If you don,t love it leave it let this song let this song that i’m singing be a warning.I’d take you on one on one AAA-0


        • sigh… It’s correctly spelled you dumb grunt…

          America : was a Free Republic

          AmeriKa : is a Banker Fiat currency Tax Debt Enslaved Fascist Corrupt Oligarchy thug Prison State!

          Guess @Clark Kent… now think real Hard you simple minded grunt… guess which state you live within ???

          Read a book sometime , don’t worry they’re not made of Cryptonite! … you MIGHT just learn something!

          You must be a U S MARINE!

          “Born to DIE (For their NWO Banker MASTERS Globalists) and Never asks Why!”


      37. 92-year-old farmer chases off three thieves at gunpoint.


        • Hey Mom, Great link. With more and more budget cuts, the average person will need to be more responsible for themselves and their families safety. Everyone should know their local laws, so if deadly force is ever warranted, well you know the rest, no sense preaching at the choir. Peace Clay

      38. It is your own guys who will sabotage your systems like during 9/11. Americans are the worst ennemis of Americans. You want war? You are gonna get it. Don’t worry. But you will not win. That is for sure.

      39. “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”

        Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

        This MAN was a True American Patriot of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY… He fought the NWO Globalists and was ASSASSINATED KILLED for it!

        • John Birch was a nuts as you are asshole.

          • Zen Mook: You apparently do not know who John Birch really was, or what the society that was named after him stands for.

            “Welch named the new organization after John Birch, an American Baptist missionary and U.S. military intelligence officer who was killed by communist forces in China in August 1945, shortly after the conclusion of World War II. Welch claimed that Birch was an unknown but dedicated anti-communist,[7] and the first American casualty, Welch contended, of the Cold War.”

            John Birch was a Christian and a soldier in the war against a regime that was, in character, anti-christ.

            You do not know that man.

      40. “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”

        David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

      41. @Clark Kent please read and learn…

        “The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other.”

        Myron Fagan

      42. In 1933, Marine Corp Major General Smedley Butler was approached by a cabal of influential American bankers and industrialists working under the umbrella of the front group, American Liberty League. Their request of Butler: that he lead a 500,000 strong force of rogue veterans in a coup against FDR and the legal American government. The intent of this cabal, already supporting the efforts of Hitler and Mussolini in Europe, was to instill a government not unlike that of Hitler and Mussolini in the United States. Butler went along with the scheme until he was able to ascertain who the participants were. He then blew the whistle on this group before the House Committee on un-American Activities. For his efforts, Butler was ostracized and black-balled by the mainstream media;his testimony before the House Committee on un-American Activities was omitted from the record. The cabal was never brought to justice, but the coup was foiled. Who were the American bankers and industrialists involved in this plot to overthrow the legal government of the United States? According to Wikipedia, while most of the funding came from the Du Pont family, participants included U.S. Steel, General Motors, General Foods, Standard Oil, Birdseye, Colgate, Heinz Foods, Chase National Bank, and Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company. And among the participants in this coup attempt was one Prescott Bush (who is the father of George Herbert Walker Bush, 41st president of the United States, and thus is the grandfather of George W Bush, current president of the United States). Prescott Bush was not only instrumental in bringing Hitler to power in Germany, Mussolini to power in Italy, but was also plotting to overthrow the legal government of the United States and establish a fascist state here. Prescott Bush served as a Senator from Connecticut and was a partner in the prominent investment banking firm Brown Brothers Harriman.

        • How can ANYONE red thumb a quote from Mr. Butler. Who ever has, Does not know who he is, and what he went through.

        • Now there’s some REAL history you won’t read in your school books. And the Bush family is related to the Royal family of England, the ones pulling the purse strings. Who powered the Nazi Blitzkrieg? Why, it was GM through their Opel division in Germany. Built many of the engines for their vehicles and planes. How you like your Chevy and apple pie now? As Harry Truman said “There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know”.

        • Propaganda fascist,

          You are one scary little ass wipe!

      43. US MARINE CORPS General Smedley Butler wrote in his 1935 classic, “War Is a Racket”: “I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914,” “I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.” Butler acknowledged that he’d spent most of his thirty-three years in the Marines as “a high class muscle man for Big Business, Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism[ts].”

        Wars are really a continuous stream of coordinated acts of terrorism, related to money and power instigated by the people who will benefit from the war and its expected end result. War is an instrument to expand economic power by destroying the national institutions and intelligent people of the victimized nation.

        • Again, trolls HATE Mr. Butler. I for one do not.

        • And here is a link for General Butler’s book. (

          • Oh yeah it is free Kevin! Hope you see this before yo pay cash for a free download. Peace

            • read it 20 years ago. A family member gave it to me.

            • I meant 26 years ago. WOW time moves!!!

      44. “For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.” — President John F. Kennedy Waldorf-Astoria Hotel New York City, April 27, 1961. The US/UK/Zionist governments are deeply infiltrated by the Conspiracy.

      45. “The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission – founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller – and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens.” — Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Woerner

      46. “The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the Americans freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight.” — JFK

        “Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976

        • You are still “zeroed in” hitting the bullseye NinaO. Glad to know your vision and effort have not been clouded by the increasingly “thick fog” that is enveloping the majority of the “sleepers”. Time is very short and anything is possible anyday now. Of course, you already know this. Cheers!

          • @YENTAL ;0) wasssss up keemosaabi ! ;0P Hooow! Where’s Tonto???

            You got the “thick fog” part right… sheeeeesh!

            @ms. daisy just wrote me sayin the exact same thing you just did! ;0) She told me toooooo behave myself!!! She’s like having a wife always Hen Peckin, but no nookie! Not sure I’m gettin a good deal here…

            I guess folks just don’t wanna give up their fluoridated “Cool Aid”!

            Keep your head down Brother and your powder dry!

            and if you get displaced… head to FlatHead Valley Montana! There’s a need for More Solid Educated American Patriots Constitutionalists up here… some of the Locals up here are a Lil’ Yellow around the gill’s if you catch my drift!

            “Remember to duck when you hear the whistle noise in the air getting close… hate to loose you to stray fire!”

            an “The Nail sticking up, gets hammered back down!”

            Safe Travels @Yental, may your Spirits Path in life be Clear of NWO.CFR FED A-Holes! ;0P pssszzzt

      47. The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer. “[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it’s perceptions.” — Henry Kissenger, World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

        “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” — George W. Bush …

        “Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bush’s have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched.” George Bush Sr. 1992

        • Each bird loves to hear himself sing. – Arapaho

      48. Print off those first aid and herbalism pdf’s. Have a hard copy of ALL your useful books. “Where there is no doctor” shouldn’t be left on the only household laptop.

        Buy the hard copy version of those books, don’t just rely on Kindle. Books on metal work you only used once may save your life come shtf time.

        Backup your info. Save a stick and a netbook + solar charger in a faraday cage if you can afford it financially.

        I have hard and soft copies of my most useful prep texts, just in case.

        If knowledge is power make sure you can still access your info if the grid is down.

      49. During the Russian/Georgian conflict a few years ago, the Rooskies used cyber warfare to shut down the Georgian government computers. The Georgians then moved their operation to the US. The question came up then, would the Rooskies take out the US computers next. Expect something like this to happen.

      50. Just because an IP addres is in china doesn’t mean it’s the chinese doing it, nor thier government. It could very well be a Mossad or CIA operation. China does have a lot of traffic in and out. They do not have closed borders like N Korea.

        The chinese government probably doesn’t have to hack our systems, for our government likely sells them the info.

        This sounds like a flase flag to me. Especially the area attacked. Not real high value but secret enough to get your attention.

        • 🙂

      51. I sure like my new mouse, it allows me to scroll superfast past these retard comments that propaganda lie posts on hear .EAT SHIT.

        • hear=when sound waves hit ear drum, and sends signal to brain. Mook is that you? Welcome back buddy. Missed ya!! Again you have struck down someones facts with your words.

          • I’ll try to pray for you, if The Good Lord gives me the grace to.

      52. Propaganda lie
        I don’t waste my time reading your BULLSHIT !!!!!
        I scroll right on past your comments and read some of the more intelligent posts FYI.OH and by the way FUCK OFF!!!

        • I put I link to hillaries book for the war is a racket deniers, and the send other peoples kids to war people, I figured more intulectual people like yourself would want something to read!

          • Nothing wrong with being against war, I just detest your reasons.

      53. WOW!!!!!!! this guy points out the networks rigged coverage of the elections WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      54. this is awesome… creds go to D A W B

        *** “HEY OBAMA, READ MY LIPS” ***

        Hey Obama you “Traitorous Prick”,
        You’re really making American’s sick,
        Not just sick in their body and mind,
        But by demonic and ruthless laws you signed!

        An HONEST President for the “Land Of The Free”,
        Would never lie or willfully deceive,
        But since you won a covert election race,
        You have “GUILTY” written all over your face!

        You signed the NDAA on New Years Eve.
        Your buddies planned it’s time to deceive,
        You cared not breaking your Sacred Oaths,
        Or turning innocent people into ghosts!

        Waking people hate your puppet crap,
        And want you arrested to pay the rap,
        Your buddies orchestrating the criminal orders,
        Should be burned in a pit shoulder to shoulder!

        So where is our Miltary in all of this mess?
        We need them to stop a “Hellish Abyss”!,
        Failure to act means more death and tyrannys,
        And saying bye-bye to America’s Civil Liberties!

        Poem 6, Ver 1
        Mar 4, 2012

        • While I value free speech just as much as the next man (or woman), seriously dude? When you post diatribes like this and the numerous posts in this thread on a blog like this, you’re killing your own credibility. (Note: Notice the difference between the “your/you’re” in my previous sentence. May want to write that one down.)

          I’m not disputing or validating anything you’ve posted, but come on, at least 14 posts of copy/paste, about 11 of which are back to back to back.

          There’s a better way to try and preach your view intelligently.

          • @ arkadean … gee i figured folks might wanna learn something from our past leaders by their quotes, real knowledge… and your attacking me for that? seriously…

            okay… it’s your life term of tax debt slavery!

            apologies… i’ll be taking my ball and going back to my cave now.

            toodles ;0P pssszzt

            • I’m not attacking anything. My point is that since you have all of that information to share in all those posts, why not start a blog (or the like) and simply paste a link to it rather than spam paste links? It’s the vehicle not the message.

          • Arkaden, You should be careful. If it rains and your nose is that high up in the you’ll drown. Grammar is not as important as the ideas behind them. I do not always agree with NinaO, but I do not throw stones. My glass house has enough windows missing or broken!

            • That’s what proves that I’m right about you Paul-zomies. You scream about Civil Rights and loss of Liberty but have no tolerance for opinions which differ from the Cult’s party line. What part of “It’s a Free Country Don’t you get?”!!!!!!!

            • Calling names for ones political beliefs, does not bode well for your argument about others lack of tolerance Mook.

            • Mook, some of us feel like we are trying to wake up a loved one (our countrymen) from a coma. We are prayin to god,standing above the body on the bed, shaking the body vigorously “scream”ing at the lifeless, unmoral, and sick country *wake up please, I love you (our country), oh god, please wake up, come on,come on WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLEEP!!!!!!!*.Free country?? Try selling lemonade without a permit. Free country??WHO COUNTS THE VOTES. Free country?? Try not paying the communist proggresive tax. Free country??? Try disobeying a “lawful order” from a “law inforcement” officer!!! Free country?? Try having a shot gun on a gun rack on your back window, driving through a school zone, at 5 mph under. Free country?? Don’t pay that property tax on that house you “own” you will see whom really owns it. Free country?? Go to a town hall meeting and voice your opinion, you’ll see who follows you home!! I could go on, and on, and on, and on, and on. Free country????Where???? Sorry to tell you this brother, but the america you loved, and fought for is gone, replaced by a corp/gov/bank state while we were sleeping. I can only fill a cup with water, and offer you a drink in the heat of summer, I can’t, and wouldn’t make you drink!! Please explain our “free”dom to me, start listing them. God Bless.

          • Arkaden ~

            Actually I think that quotes are a perfect way to “preach your view intelligently.”


            Because one cannot make inferences when only posting a quote. The words of the person quoted speak for themselves.

            These past “leaders” have dug their own graves. NinaO is just putting their own words together to illuminate the breadth of the betrayal as well as the scorn that those people have for the rest of us.

            There is no more intelligent way to form an argument than to allow your opponent to prove the thesis for you.

            • Good mornin Daisy.

            • Daisy, my girls out of town, so I will tell you. I have some family(state workers) that support the proggressive income tax(of course they pay LESS then most), we were talking last night, and they are poll monitors in my state elections, and they think that the 3rd party that counts the votes(in secret) would not have the OPORTUNITY OR MOTIVE to commit vote fraud(never heard of voters news service,hacking democracy, and refuses to look them up). With tillions of dollars up for grabs, and saving their jobs and counting the votes in secret, I see these motives, and opertunities clear as day, yet all they see is darkness in what I see. I woke up sad for them, the little ones and my counry. *kevin puts his head on daisey’s shoulder*

            • Good morning, Kev.:)

              Yep, I think about the same. While I might have difficulties with the current regime, and find it more difficult to get by financially, it’s my daughters who are really going to suffer. What is happening to us and the world right now is peanuts to how it will be when they are adults, unless a complete overthrow of the Regime occurs. *pats Kevin’s back sympathetically*

      55. well this article has certainly provoked a lot of heated exchanges
        let me perhaps add some gasoline to the fire by asking this question

        when you join the military
        are you serving your country
        serving the government??
        I think there is a BIG distinction between the two myself

        I ask this in light of comments made by General Smedley Butler and Henry Kissinger regarding the military

        what do you think ???

        • i joined to serve my country… found out i was serving a corrupt criminal genocidal government , helping them to destroy poison enslave the world in the name of freedom=slavery and democracy=fascism!

          • Even a small mouse has anger.

            • ;0P Squeeeeeeeeek! Squeeeeeeeek! Squeeeeeeeek!

              RISE UP FREE AMERICAN”S against the NWO.CFR UN Zionists Globalists Bilderboybuggers Bankers!

        • I joined during a time of war to serve my fellow Americas, great question. (USAF 1968-1972)

          • Agent Orange does bad things to an already unstabe mind….just say’n

        • I don’t fault the men and women who faithfully serve our country on the ideaology that their fighting against communism/socialism. We may or may not be better off for it. The lives that were lost were honorable, no matter what the PTB motives were. Most signed up or were drafted as kids; innocent and ignorant of the ultimate or hidden agendas. If they fight for freedom,as most do; they fight with honor and allegience to what America’s Flag stands for. The problem will come in to play when they, the military, is called upon to corral and punish the innocent and law abiding citizens of this country, known as America. Will they take sides with a corrupt group of politicians, that base that law on political correctness or will they stand down and group with the minority of faith based Americans? Muslims don’t count as citizens, in my book; no matter how many papers they have.


        To: Senator Bruce Tutvedt
        District 3
        Kalispell, Montana




        LEAD us to FREEDOM Senator Bruce Tutvedt, FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

        – NinaO

        I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
        Thomas Jefferson

        Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
        Thomas Jefferson

        • Dr./ Rev. Chuck Baldwin of MONTANA Quote of the Year:

          The problem in Montana, however, is similar to that of most states: the “good-old-boy,” “politics-as-usual,” “scratch-my-back-and-I’ll-scratch-yours” politicians are ensconced in the State political infrastructure. And it’s going to take some political dynamite to blast them out! And that dynamite is a courageous constitutionalist (or better yet, a host of courageous constitutionalists) who is not afraid to take on these arrogant elitists and restore the principles of liberty to their states. In short, the status quo has to go!

          And I want to let readers know that there is an epic battle underway right now in Montana that is both a microcosm and precursor of the battle that is raging nationally. In fact, this political duel might be the most important fight in the State of Montana this year. And because of Montana’s leadership in the national fight for freedom, it must be regarded as one of the most important political duels in the country.

          I’m talking about the race for Montana State Senate District Three. The incumbent is the personification of the word RINO. This neocon is the bane of liberty and constitutional government. In fact, he is quoted as having told a gathering of local Republicans a few days ago, “We are NOT constitutionalists; we are NOT freedom-fighters.” Pray tell, Senator, if you are not willing to support and defend the Constitution, if you are not willing to support and defend freedom, what in Hades are you doing in public office?

          This man comes from a long-established Montanan family with a good reputation in the State. Unfortunately, he has used that reputation to vault himself to the State senate. Name the issue and this Big Government toady is on the wrong side of it. He’s on the wrong side of the Second Amendment issue; he’s on the wrong side of the life issue; he’s on the wrong side of the less government and less taxes issue; he’s on the wrong side of the right to work issue; he’s on the wrong side of the State sovereignty issue; and he’s on the wrong side of the right of parents to educate their children via private or Christian education or homeschooling issue. And adding insult to injury, if this man is reelected this year, he will, in all likelihood, be elected Senate President, which means he will use his incredible power and influence to kill most of the good legislation that many of the noble house members and senators will bring forth next legislative term–not to mention the scores of RINOs and neocons that he will help place in key political positions around the State. This man simply must be defeated in the Republican primary, which takes place this June.

        • pravda (dot) ru

          By Dianna Cotter

          A singularly remarkable event has taken place in the United States of America. This event occurred in Arizona on March 1st and was an earth shattering revelation.

          A long awaited press conference was given by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a five time elected Sheriff, which should have made national and international headlines. Arpaio’s credentials include serving in the United States Army from 1950 to 1953, service as a federal narcotics agent serving in countries all over the world with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), and served as the head of the Arizona DEA. Without doubt, this is a serious Law Enforcement Officer, not one to be taken in by tin-foil-hat wearing loons.

          Yet, in the five days since his revelations there has been little in the way of serious reporting on the findings he presented in his presser. With 6 short videos, the Sheriff and his team presented a devastating case, one the tame US press is apparently unable to report.

          On April 27, 2011, President Barack walked into the White House Press room with a Cheshire cat like grin and a “Long Form Birth Certificate” from the State of Hawaii in hand. From the podium in the press room, Mr. Obama said, “We’re not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers,”. Quite the barb from a man holding a forged document.

          That’s right, forged.

          continued at pravda (dot) ru

      57. ya folks might wanna stock up fast… like… NOW!

        Alert From Well Connected One

        March 10th, 2012

        (SteveQuayle) – March 9th, 2012 – “Steve, Anonymous – I have a Special Forces Friend who lives in Kalispell Montana He just called me with major news…… He has a Friend who works in the Prison System in Montana. They have been told by Big Gov to be ready for an event to take place from March 13-23 this event will be very earth shattering. They have been told to stock up on 6 Months worth of Food,Diesel,Medical Supplies,Water and other needed supplies! This SF Friend is not a Person who gets His feathers ruffled He was shocked to say the least!” – Source

        • @My Big Sky Friend:

          Thx for the heads up…Alas Babylon…


          • @BA ;0) WAASSSSSSS UP! It’s duck and cover time me thinks!

            remember remember you need MINIMUM 3 feet of solidness around you completely and over head… packed dirt, concrete, steel, sand bags… for ultimate radiation protection.

            seal all outside drafts with plastic sheeting/ duct tape… put a wet towel/ blanket over air duct openings/ doorways to stop radiation from blowing around shelters.

            good luck @BA ;0P pssszzt

            • I hear ya Brother…got me a cave south of Hollister,Ca.

              I mean to be DEEEP !!!

              I mean to be READY…..tick-tock tick-tock.

              The rabbit hole is a friggin’ ABYSS.

              See ya on the other side…OFF WITH THEIR HEADS !!

              “To be the rock and not to roll” -Led Zeppelin

              Luck and ain’t the dog in the fight, it’s the fight in the dog…woof…oooorah.

        • An MP from arkansas was arrested at the airbase up in alaska awhile ago, for telling his kin to “head to the hills”( his co didn’t go along to get along at first). Tried to find a link,was unable to. Forgot all about it. Information overload.

        • your all living a propaganda fascist lie,

          You seem to have your own little flock of sheeple. Jim Jones comes to mind. Without proof, your post is fear mongering at the very least. You twist the truth to suit your agenda and try to spread hatred and bigotry with your evil rants. I hope someday you allow God into your heart. The dear Lord would never speak through you at this point in time.

          • @In God I Trust

            ;0P pssszzt

            Yur’ Wrong! GAWD LOVES ME MORE THAN HE LOVES YOU!!!

            I know cause…

            (Catholic Priest) Father Brannigan at the youth orphan home I grew up in, Boston, Mass…

            Told me every night when I was on me knee’s in front of him and the Crucification, with my mouth open and wet tongue sticking out, as he unzip his priest black pants!

            “That I Was Gawds Precious Lil’ Angel!” and That He and Gawd would always Love ME!”

            “LOVE ME … NOT YOU!” ;0P pssszzt

            Blow me! Religion is for Child Molesters and Weak Minded People!

            Which Are You? Probly Both!

            • You have been a very naughty boy, NinaO. You weren’t supposed to tell anybody about that!

            • your all living a propaganda fascist lie,

              I was simply speaking about God, not priests or catholic religion. You are obviously an atheist so I won’t bother to pray for you.

              You have hatred in your heart and you have a vile, dirty mouth and mind. I feel sickened just reading your words. I have no idea how anyone could give you any credence, I guess anything goes today. You portray selfishness, hatred, racism and evil. Your fan club is no better than you. It is a clever way to dishonor God, by focusing on something bad that has nothing to do with God, but man.

              This truly is a sick world and even though you pretend to be so full of knowledge and wisdom, the truth is, your a looser in the game of life.

            • your all living a propaganda fascist lie,

              One of your staunch supporters, Daisy, thinks the filthy garbage you wrote, is funny. Not a good example for children, if you can find that amusing. What kind of woman thinks Blow me! is funny? Your whole post was disgusting and degrading to yourself and your little tiny followers.

            • @In a Fake Zionist Jew Ghost i Trust…

              “Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes in nothing, than he who believes blindly in what is wrong.”

              -Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)

              Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

              -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

              Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

              I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)

              They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

              -Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800

              Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

              History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

              -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

              The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

              Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

            • IGIT ~

              You stated:
              “You are obviously an atheist so I won’t bother to pray for you.”

              Please pardon my ignorance of your particular version of the Bible, but wouldn’t someone who has yet to believe be the FIRST person you should pray for?

              Sometimes humor can lighten an otherwise tense sitution. It’s unfortunate that you have such a grim view that you cannot see my effort as such.

              The very fact that you are passing judgement on my parenting ability, as well as judging NinaO also lets me know there are a few passages that you need to re-read a few passages and meditate on them.

              James 4:11-12 comes to mind as a starting point.

              “Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?”

          • @In a Fake Zionist Jew Ghost i Trust … i claim no flock here or any where else… for that matter! I’M A Lone PREDATORY Lobo WOLF! i hunt alone, eat alone, sleep alone… i’m NOT a Puss SHEEP DOG! Like You! ruff ruff … an i’m not prejudice… I HATE EVERYONE!

            just ask anyone here…


            • May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

            • propaganda fascist lie,

              I bleieve you may be one of the minions preparing the way for the anti-christ. Your vile language has shown your intentions.

            • Daisy,

              Why is it your job to lighten up this situation? You came to the defense of a vile person, who judges everyone. You are a hypocrite and I know that I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Quoting scripture is not going to make your hands clean.
              I could just picture God walking by and hearing some athiest say (blow me, religion is for child molesters, etc.) and God just saying, ( oh you naughty boy, you weren’t supposed to tell anybody that). I don’t think so. Enough said, you have your standards and I have mine. In the end we will all be judged by God. If I messed up then I will pay the price.

          • @In a Zionist Fake dead Jew Ghost I Trust…

            In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

            -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

            ~NinaO March 12, 2012

            • My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there.

              -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Mrs. Samuel H. Smith, August, 6, 1816

            • Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.

              -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820

        • GREECE just defaulted. I wonder if the cascade will take place. I think the plan is to trash the dollar, write off all govt. debt and start over. Remember that fat CUNT Rosie O’Donnell wanted to disarm us all. Crime will go though the roof. Lock and load people. We’ll set up a kill lane on my street for the gang bangers if they exit the ghetto looking for victims to target. My dog is growling too. fuckers.

        • I don’t mean to be a critic, however, how many times has one of us fell victim, what amounts to be, bullshit? When I hear this stuff I just roll my eyes. I hear it over and over and over and over and over and over and *OVER*, yet nothing happens.

          So, please, don’t discount it but, also, don’t bet your life on it either.

      58. I only seen one thing worth keeping .. That is Get Rid Of Odumbo.. The rest of your shit you can hang in your ass!!

        • ;0P pssszzt

          @ck … must suck being so RE-TARDED @clark kent… look at the bright side… ya get free jello every meal!

          No one gives ya crap for wearing a pink tutu dress with a strap on over it!

          And no one asks you really really hard questions … like … what your name is!!!

          ;0) your just another natural born nwo.cfr goyim irs tax debt slave sucker aren’t ya sweetie!?!?

      59. This article is a joke. The Red Chinese have been running wild in America for decades. Clinton even gave them their own private airport in Arkansas and allowed Sandy Berger… err Burglar to play hide and seek with nuke designs and top level U.S. security documents.

      60. Don’t know if it was the red Chinese, or possibly the blue-green Chinese, or perhaps a different nationality of an undetermined hue, but I do know what it’s like to be the victim of hackers. Went home from the road last Tuesday night and was downloading some old Barney the Dinosaur videos from Youtube to take to the grandkids. We don’t allow that pesky pliestocene punk to play in out house, but I don’t mind ruining the ambiance of my daughters home. (hey, I’m not there when it’s on)
        Just as the first copywrite infringing, intellectual property theft was finishing, my computer suddenly shifted into an alternate universe or something. All I know is “When A Man Loves A Woman” began playing at full volume. There I sat, hypnotized, staring at the screen as Percy Sledge sang me back into my (mostly wasted) youth. I couldn’t move, as the memories of roller skating, muscle cars and drive-in movies filled my addled brain.
        My wife, who actually fell in love with me (or was it lust and the lingering effects of alcohol?) while listening to that song, came and sat beside me. We stared at the screen, mesmerized, as the song played, over and over.
        We lost all track of time. The microwave dinged but we never heard it. The phone rang repeatedly but we never heard that either. Remember, this was on Tuesday night.
        Four days later, my eldest son(the responsible one) kicked in the front door to the house and rescued us. He said later that they had been calling us for days and we never answered the phone. He came to check on us Thursday night. He pounded on the door but we never answered. Thinking we might have slipped out of town for unknown reasons(as far as I know, most of the warrants have long since expired and we rarely leave on such short notice) he drove back to his home, 40 miles away.
        When he still hadn’t been able to contact us by Saturday , he became worried. Suspecting foul play, or possibly an inheritance in the near future, he came back.
        Finding the door locked, he kicked it in. There we sat, weak, dehydrated and grinning as we entered our 96th hour of blissful reminiscing. He had to pull the plug from the wall to get the computer to shut off.
        The hard drive was ruined, unable to do anything except play that song repeatedly. I had a young friend, a computer geek who likes rap music and is therefore immune to all melodies, check it for me. Sure enough, it was shot. Plus the keyboard sustained major damage from me drooling on it for four days, but keyboards are cheap so I don’t mind. My new machine is being specially built by my geek friend. He’s installing a special firewall and custom made filters. Just to be on the safe side, I had him block out the Michael Bolton version as well. Can’t be too careful, you know…

        • Did goldfish get fed?

          • Evidently they got fed to the cat, probably about the 3rd day. RIP little fishies.
            Fortunately the microwave shut itself off and no weasels got nuked!

        • Some people want a warning label on alcoholic drink containers stating that pregnant women should avoid it. Ironic, considering that if it were’nt for alcohol, most of them wouldn’t be pregnant in the first place.

          • It’s no coincidence that our 3 sons are named Jack, Daniels, and Black Label.

      61. More proof of the voting fraud. The 2 links I’m about to post are VI gop results page showing ron paul won, Then abc story SAYING ROMNEY DID!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!

        • never mind. A delegate was “changed” AFTER the count. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG. delegates get “changed” all the time.

        • I’ve never ever seen a more blatantly rigged election than this. Usually they at least TRY to make it look good – this time around they are just obvious about it and they don’t care who knows it.

          That kind of arrogance is alarming because it shows that they don’t feel like they have anything to fear from the people. That says it all.

          • Daisy

            I thought the vote rigging a few years back for Junior Bush was bad. THIS, what they are doing now is so utterly ludicrous you wonder why they are bothering to waste time with “elections” at all.

            They are now openly TELLING us how it’s gonna go down, it’s blatant and they are laughing at the common man on so many levels.

            It’s not ignorance, incompetence or arrogance, they are feeling towards the citizens. Contempt – that’s all they feel towards the ordinary man in the street (whose taxes pay their wages!).

            Goliath made the same mistake ; )

            • yeah, kinda miss those hanging chads, huh?? That was nothing compared to today’s BS….

      62. Just curious……………I wonder if we do the same them………………..

      63. Where is the Big “E” at? This will be her last one from what I understand. That is one fast carrier. She’ll probably hit Naples and stay in the East Med.

        • big e is headed for Iran according to zerohedge today..

          and will be alongside several other carriers just in case..

      64. Anyone can use several user I.D.’s on one computer to effectively make it look like 2 or 3 differant people talking to each other. Rocket science not required. Jet propulsion lab out to lunch.

        • Thanks for the link. It looks like the wording is for ‘offensive’ use of military, or ‘except in case of attack on American territory’, both of which leave the Bomster or any other president plenty of wiggle room to go make war without saying squat to congress. Pretty much the only way we’ve made war for the past 70 years. All the PTB really need is a false flag and their CYA policy is good to go. It aint right, but it appears that’s the way it is.

      65. Interesting articles at The Economic Collapse Blog…

        Greece has defaulted, which country in Europe is next?


        Is Germany planning to leave the euro?

        • According to some financial sources..Germany will be the motherloade for the E.U.

          Germany is set to send over 160 tax collectors to Greece to enforce extraction from the citizens to insure [payment from their recent infusion of too big to fail bailout..

      66. Ky Mom: Nothing to worry about with Greece labeled as having “defaulted”. This has been pre-planned and pre-packaged. Just a speed bump, nothing more.

        The BIG question, is “Why did the GB label Greece in default after all the mumbo jumbo and negotiation to avoid the default label to begin with, after the haircut for investors?”

        When I figure THAT out I will get back to you.

        • dude… greece has to come up with serious cash in 11 days… they don’t have it! B B B BILLIONS!

          spain is right behind them… all the piigs dominoes are lined up ready to fall… germany is passing legislature too re-issue the dmark and setting aside huge cash chunks to protect german banks! FROM A CRASH! ;0p

          So @kymum , plan for the worst … hope for more time! To buy more pm’s and food, gas, ammo, guns!

          and maybe a tent…

          check out zerohedge dot com @kymum just reading the titles to stories will tell you daily what is really happening.

      67. someone please explain something for me…

        At any given time there are roughly 18-25 active Serial Killers in the USSA , killing randomly preying upon the general public…

        Why don’t they ever go after and kill the IMF WORLDBANK GOLDMANSACHS NWO.CFR BILDERBOYBUGGERS BANKERS ???


        doesn’t organized crime understand… the IMF NWO.CFR is bad for bizness???

        just curious… it just seems they should ALL be more motivated to kill a banker , than some crack head on the corner shootin up…

        Any one??? Any one??? Bueller??? ;0Ppssszzt

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