Cities Will Collapse Even Sooner Than We Fear

by | May 24, 2013 | Headline News | 571 comments

This article has been generously contributed by David Spero of Code Green Prep and was originally linked via Prepper Website.

Cities Will CollapseWe have written several times about how major population groupings (ie cities) will collapse ‘shortly’ after the essential elements of life cease to smoothly flow in to them as needed.  When there’s no water, no sewage, no food, no gas and no electricity, things will unavoidably get very nasty.

In an earlier post we suggested that cities will decay into violent anarchistic morasses within a week or two.  In that article we were deliberately trying to look at a ‘best case scenario’ (don’t laugh – the collapse of cities taking a week or two is, alas, a best case scenario!).  Our projection was based on the ‘best case’ hope that people would remain passive for a few days and it would only be when people realized no help was coming and they were starting to starve that things would turn truly nasty.

One of our readers, ‘Lt. Dan’, wrote in to share his perspective of what might go down, and alas, it is not nearly as sunny and optimistic as our earlier best case hope.  His point is that violence will break outimmediately.  There will not be days of ambiguity before things start to fail.

He says that in known ‘hot spots’ in larger cities, the violence will start at once, and as soon as the violent offenders realize that the police response is inadequate (or totally missing) it will skyrocket in scope and extent.

This is a key issue for us, because it impacts on our decision about when to ‘Get Out Of Dodge’ (GOOD) and hightail it to our remote retreat.  How much time do we have to decide what to do between when a massive problem occurs and when the city becomes lawless?

Lt. Dan writes :

As a retired LEO with over 30 yrs dealing with “society” I have a number of thoughts on this topic. I grew up on a working farm not close to any major metro center but in adulthood joined a sizable metro PD.  So I have perspective from various angles.

The speed and spread of lawlessness with be much faster than most will think.  Even now in “quiet” times LE staffing is usually based on the lowest number of officers to reasonably handle a “normal” day.  Any event(s) beyond “normal” immediately overwhelm on-duty forces.  Planned events like anarchists protesting the latest capitalist conference allow time to plan for enough ON-DUTY personnel (plus resources from other agencies) to be available when violence breaks out.

In most major metro areas there are areas the police routinely avoid because they’re too hazardous.  The violent elements in these areas are constantly looking to explode their violence at a moment’s notice when the opportunity happens.  And when it happens it will spread like a ruptured gasoline storage tank afire.  LE forces will be quickly overwhelmed and retreat to a safe place/bunker for self-preservation.

Most LEO’s have families and a desire for self-preservation.  If the collapse involves monetary problems (like no paychecks) the officers will not be reporting to duty, they’ll be protecting their own.  When this happens the initial violent outbreaks will mushroom like a nuclear reaction.  If the officers are being paid yet, they’ll set up a “containment perimeter” IF they have enough manpower…. which is highly unlikely in a regional or national SHTF scenario.

On other really scary thought I never see mentioned is…. what happens to the tens of thousands of violent criminals in prisons??

In a farming community where religion/moral values are generally much higher than urban dwellers, the problems of violence will be much reduced.  Plus everyone usually knows each other so its harder to want to take advantage of them.  One tip for urbanites…..farmers are not working their butts off to feed the city slickers (who’ve been ridiculing them for years as hicks, etc) and they certainly will not welcome the urbanites showing up during a crisis.

We asked Dan about his comments and background, and he told us a bit more about how he has formed the views he has – and, let’s face it, thirty years in a major metro police department and retiring as a lieutenant gives him a lot of credibility, particularly on police related operational issues and on matters to do with how people will (mis)behave when given half a chance to do so.

Now that he can ‘tell it like it is’ we asked him in particular about something that opinions widely vary on – will the police bravely ‘man the battlements’ and fight to the last man in a failing and doomed effort to save civilization, or will they adopt – as he suggests above – a ‘my family first, everyone else second’ approach when they see the inevitability of a city’s collapse.

Dan replied :

When I first started on the PD in the 70′s I was stuck in the Comm room and on boring nights I’d actually read the Civil Defense binders (HUGE things) full of detail, much theoretical.  For example, upon receiving alert of a nuke attack we were supposed to call a long list of elected officials and city unit directors etc.  We all knew it’d be a total waste of time to call these clueless government people because all they’d do is panic and babble on the phone asking US what to do!

We (cops) talked openly in the Comm Room about what we’d do and we decided we’d immediately leave our posts and spend our remaining time with family.  The point being alerting totally clueless and incompetent “leaders” would do nothing except add to the panic and confusion over which we (cops) would have ZERO control over.

It is important to understand how much we can learn from past ‘lessons’ with breakdowns in cities (in the case of the US, the L.A. riots being a prime example) and how much we have to adjust for a future breakdown of society.

We suggest that the big difference is that in past events, the problem has been successfully contained to a restricted region, and the police have had, in effect, virtually unlimited reinforcements and resupply, and there has never been any question of what the ultimate outcome would be – of course law and order would triumph.

But in a future society-destroying event, none of this applies.  The police will have no resupply or reinforcement, and problems will break out in multiple locations.

We agree with Lt. Dan that very quickly, the police will see the unwinnable nature of the contest and will switch from attempting to defend a disintegrating society from itself, and will focus instead on attempting to ensure the safe survival of themselves and their immediate family and friends.

Summary

Lt. Dan puts it very vividly when he writes

[Violence] will spread like a ruptured gasoline storage tank afire

This means that if you have a GOOD plan and a retreat to go to, you need to be ready to activate this sooner than you might have otherwise hoped for.  As soon as you hear the first word of lawlessness, rioting, looting, and general disorder breaking out, you should accept that this will spread like wildfire across the entire city, and leave as quickly as you can.

Oh – one more unsettling thought.  How will you learn that violence has broken out in another part of the city if the internet is down, and radio and television stations are also down?  Even if some broadcasters remain in service, they’ll probably have limited sources of information and it might take a while for them to become appraised of events and to then broadcast them.

It is also reasonable to guess that broadcasters will be asked ‘not to spread panic’ and so initial reports of violence breaking out might be downplayed or omitted entirely.

Choosing when to bug-out is a difficult but essential issue.  You need to be willing to leave before it becomes too late, and with inertia and resistance to change and desperate hope all encouraging you to delay your decision, you need to fight these tendencies.  Better to leave ‘too soon’ and return back again some time later, safely; than to leave it too late and suffer the consequences.

We talk about the issues to do with making your bug-out decision here.

David Spero has been prepping since before it was ever an issue. He remembers how his father would store vast quantities of food and supplies at home, and both of them thought it to be normal prudent actions – as, of course, they are. He has a masters degree in business, has worked internationally, speaks several languages, is a nationally accredited firearms instructor, a licensed ham radio operator, and through this website is becoming increasingly a respected authority on matters to do with prepping.  

You can visit David’s web site at Code Green Prep and learn more about the Code Green Community, a self-contained, self-supporting and self-sustaining retreat community in the western United States.

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    1. Sebastion T.

      It’s the police we need to worry about.

      The New Orleans Times Picayune reported that, “Recently, 18 current and former NOPD officers have been charged with killing innocent civilians around the time of Hurricane Katrina or with covering up the crimes. The revelations have been despicable, and five officers have pleaded guilty so far. Additional federal investigations of police brutality are expected to yield even more indictments.” In a crisis, the public depend on the police even more than usual.

      A police officer can plant or fabricate evidence, as came to light in the Troop C scandal. In April 1993, New York State Police Lt. Craig D. Harvey admitted he and another trooper lifted fingerprints from items the suspect, John Spencer, touched while in Troop C headquarters and attached them to
      evidence cards. Spencer was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to fifty years to life in prison.
      Nothing threatens society more than law enforcers who are law breakers.

      • John Q. Public

        Just as not every doctor gravitates to medicine for humanitarian reasons, so too not every cop gravitates to authoritarian power to protect and serve.

        Many people select their careers to act out their own problems.

        • JustMe

          As you read this, Sweden is being destroyed by “youths”, the msm euphemism for anti-whites. This will come to Amerika soon, and here, whites will cower and beg for police to protect them, because they have been conditioned to reject reality. They will only protect the anti-whites. And White Genocide will begin.

          • YH

            JustMe,

            There won’t be ANY racial genocide on U.S. soil. Not on my watch.

            It was bad enough progressives began Eugenic experiments here in the U.S. in the early 20th century, upon which Hitler based his “Final Solution” on those barbaric genetic experiments according to his autobiography ‘Mein Kampf’. 25 million people died to stop that bastard Adolph Hitler. Over my dead body will I see that happen here. Believe it!

            • JustMe

              You don’t seem to know who is running the program, and what their goals are. The nazi bit is true, but they didn’t slaughter as many people as the communists. By some estimates, they are responsible for about 200 million dead.

              Under Lenin and Stalin, the soviets killed more people before the war than Hitler did during the war, and Stalin went on to kill almost as many more, yet this goes relatively unmentioned. Obummer’s handlers and owners are Marxists, they know how to do genocide real well.

              Do a search for White Genicide, you will find many people who openly call for the extermination of White people. Do a search for the UN definition of genocide, and if you are honest and objective, you will find that the program is in motion now, in America, and Europe.

              When America crashes, it will go into full swing.

              • anonymous6.8

                I don’t care who they are or what they intend. I stand like a rock. I will defend. This is one Scots Irishman who does not depend on hired muscle to defend me. My family, friends and close in neighbors I will defend. I doubt too many of the agenda types would go aggressive [ one on one] with an armed and trained man perfectly willing to kill them and if necessary die. What they count on is rolling over a bunch of pants pissing wimps who’ve never thought through or prepared for ( how bad it could be ). Not saying the few of us here could not be over run. Any small force no matter who they are can be overrun by superior numbers. My question to those whose bravery depends on being part of a mob is: Do you want to be among the first 75 to die? I don’t care what race, ancestry, religion or shoe size they are. There’s a point beyond which a free man won’t be pushed.

                • Bimbam

                  Remember to go get the liberals first and use them as shields.

                  Afterall, they brought them here. Might as well let’em see the problem first hand!

                • Shooty McBang

                  … and that’s all there is to that!

              • YH

                JustMe,

                I am familiar with genocidal history which is why I strongly oppose it. It doesn’t matter to me who throws the first stone, opposing genocide is as good a cause for me to fight for. Eventually when everyone else has been taken, and the powers that be decide it’s my turn, by that time it’s too late to resist.

                When America crashes, I think genocide may be the least of our worries when people begin to starve.

                • The Virginian

                  You say you are familiar with “genocidal history” then go on to say that when America crashes that genocide may be the least of our worries.Either you arent familiar with history or you dont know the meaning of genocide. AS economies fail societies fracture along ethnic,religous,racial,and political lines. Marxist leaders use this to empower their own groups to carry out their agendas. Melissa Dawn Huggins-Jones, Josiah Humphrey,Quinn Boyer, Jeremy Crane, Kyleigh Crane, Todd North, John Lehman, Melinda Sue McCormick, Matthew Gadfield, Aaron Makarian, Robert Horton,Fay Jones, Antonio Santiago… These are just a few murdered in the last EIGHT weeks or so. The “least of our worries” has been underway for quite sometime.

                • Kevin2

                  YH

                  I thought about WWII and if the outcome was different. Did the Italians with dark skin think they would get a pass from NAZIs forever? The Japanese knew Hitlers dream of a white arian race. Did they think he would be inclusive?

              • orsobubu

                JustMe, you’re simply wrong. Bolschevik revolution did only one victim, by stroke. After that, Lenin immediately stopped the war in Russia (started by the capitalistic governments all over the world). All international bourgeoises, fearing that communist revolution could spread in their countries, ending their grasp over exèploited workers, stopped to fight among themselves and grouped to start an attack (white terrorism) inside Russia. Remember, that country had been horribly plagued by the imperialistic war, and people turned to cannibalism to survive. Lenin and Trotsky incredibly succeeded in defeating the coward invaders; in doing this, they had to use every tactics, including terrorism (red terrorism, about 20.000 victims) to survive and defend the revolution against the imperialistic block (USA, for example, did horribly worse in recent times to defend their interests ABROAD). But communism was too much ahead in respect to the historical times, and all other revolutionaries around the world were killed and destroyed by capitalists. Lenin knew very well that – without an international revolution – communistic dreams were doomed, so he withdrawed to the NEP (a state-capitalistic form of economy policy). After Lenin’ death, Stalin killed all the bolscheviks (hundreds of thousands) and completed the state-capitalistic organization of URSS, killing (according to capitalistic habits) tens of millions people. But remember that communism never existed in the history of the world (aside from primitive communism before history itself). If you have money, wage work, banks and market, as in URSS, China, etc, you should talk about capitalism; this is a scientific certainty, as capital derives exclusively from exploited human work, and inside “communist” regimes there was an extremely organized form of exploiting wage work (and also stakanovism!!!). False democracy is the regime used when economy is flourishing, fascism is the regime adopted during crisis times, to avoid workers seize the power: nazism, stalinism, etc, all regimes started by capitalists (Hitler took the power thanks to worldwide bankers support, including USA). Communism is a program for the future; a communist economy is a more advanced capitalism, because capitalism, nowadays, cannot manage anymore the enormous productive capacity of the socialized economy. Communism could organize and plan all the wildest productive dreams of human race without the need of convert exploited work into money. Capitalism needs to convert – by exploitation – human work in capital and money at a minimum rate of 2% yearly; when it fails (it cannot expand forever, like communism do, because capotalism needs to expand endlessly the worked hours), crisis and destructive wars start. “Soviet communism” is only a bourgeoise ideology used to frighten and control the western proletariat, and it widely spreaded in america during the mccarthyism. But these ideology – along with popperism – was confuted by Geymonat, Bordiga, Feyerabend decades ago; it is similar to the “free market” ideology: this is false too, and in this blog you can clearly see the effects, when readers cannot understand why the american dream is vanishing before their eyes: small owners fall into proletariat, and imperialism and state capitalism rule. Fascism, civil war and global conflicts, all generated by the capitalistic monster, will be the historical powers at work in the future. Only communism could save the mankind. A clear proof is World War II, when no leninistic revolutionary parties existed to contrast the bourgeoise destruction frenzy. So, the primary task for workers, today, is rebuild those organizations; America is fatally late on this, leaning toward selfish and individual solutions, and the risk is to succumb to a fascist government, exporting its violence overseas.

                • JustMe

                  bolshevik,

                  “Lenin”, and “Trotsky” were not even real Russians, and the truth about who created communism, and who still pushes it, still escapes most people today. No, communism is not a viable future for anyone, as the last hundred years of their murderous history has shown, and no, this is not a scare tactic from “McCarthyism”, the numbers speak for themselves; plenty of people have escaped communist countries and risked all the warn the world. Your communist friends murdered more people in the Ukrainian Holodomor, the Hitler did in his concentration camps.

                  Your version of propaganda is worse than that of the bourgeois capitalists. Communism is, as it has always been, theft and slow death of the many, overseen by the few. Communism promises people the Moon, at some later date; just work harder, we’ll get there, comrades…
                  Marxists are parasites, the very vampires marx denounced.

                  “The theory of communism can be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.” -Karl Marx

                  To that, we can add: “And murder anyone who opposes communism”…

                • Rick:)

                  You must have spent a fair amount of time in one of our fine institutions of higher learning. Heck, you are probably a professor.

                • Bimbam

                  If they eliminated communism capitalism would work just fine the world over.

                  Communist, please get out of the way of progress!!!!!!

                • Piper Michael

                  Communism = Capitalism, in the sense, that they are both the ideologies of men, rich men.
                  The end result of both is a few guys owning everything, and proclaiming themselves Boss.
                  This is the underlying lesson of the Tower of Babel.

                  Both communism and fascism, and all other ‘isms’, reduce men into man… in the French Revolution, they were a communist cluster f* with their rights of ‘man’, IOW, The Collective Man. Here in America, we had the Bill of Rights, of Men, The Individual Man. It had its flaws too, but not nearly so severe as France.

                  In the Tower of Babel, all men are reduced to bricks, all alike, as economic units, their humanity given over to The Collective. God didn’t appreciate this scheme, and (in the story), confused their language, causing a collapse of the system, and a scattering of the people. WHen they scattered, they become Rocks, men, individuals beholden to themselves alone. This was the condition God wants men to live in, for their own personal JOY of LIVING.

                  In the end, the Meaning of Life is JOY, codified in our constitution as the right to pursue happiness.

                  The defect was, as always, rich men and their machinations to gather power unto themselves… which always ends up being about power and control. Period. Money = power. This is the Rule of Gold we love. That he who has the gold, makes the rules.

                  This is also epitomized in the Statue of Nebuchadnezzar. The Head of Gold, the two legs of Left and Right, and the people lost in the confusion of ideologies and doctrines that speak to either their mind or their heart. (Men of ‘Iron’ constitution, or the sticky clay of the Heart.)

                  Until we understand, that we must all participate in the process of civil authority, ie participate in governing as part of our function, we will always give up our Power, to Rich men. This is why the love of money, is the root of all evil. It is US, not THEM, that loves them, and want to be like them. Either a capitalist or a communist system, it matters not. It is supported by the arms and breast of the middle class who want to rise in money, and power. Those who love money, and drink the koolaide.

                  It has been this way through thousands of years, ever since Babylon, they invented the System we have. What did Babylon invent? A system of the fixed contract of debt, from the money changers, backed up by the Kings Laws, and the people kept in submission to ‘Godly Authority’ by the Priests… Sound familiar? The Elite have loved it since that time, since it was designed for them.

                  Fortunately, it all comes crashing down, and the evil are destroyed. Our task this next cycle of civilization, is to NOT FORGET who destroyed us, and not allow their kin to retake control, but to kill the rich and the evil, to never allow centralized governance or money again, and to learn to pound our swords into plowshares. (Some believe we may have a little help from above, some don’t, it doesn’t matter what you believe, as long you understand that what has destroyed us… is ourselves.)

                • Anonymous

                  Sure,look at North Korea and Cuba,the last 2 bastions of true communist economics.They’re really tearin’ up the place,aren’t they?I just don’t understand why the rest of the world isn’t trying to emulate that standard of living…..

              • Buck Wilde

                @ Justme, Agreed, The ‘Free Public Education’, I mean Indoctrination, Is lost on most people. They don’t teach That ‘Uncle Joe’ Stalin, our ally in WW2, and his jewish brother-in-law, Kagonovich, killed many more than Hitler!
                The story behind the Bolshevik Revolution should be front page news, Because it’s the same communist agenda we face now, AKA one world banking order!

              • Them Guys

                YH: read several Posts I posted at Brandon’s article on Kommies in america etc. Several days back. My posts contain a vast amount of Real Proven history about what You wrote of IE: WWII-hitler. My posts also have proven valid info that backs up kommie issues in russia etc as Justme posted here.

                When the issue regards genocide or racial war against Whiteys…Yes indeed! White folks should be placed at the VERY TOP of the current fed govnt-UN-Enviro whackos List’s of…”ENDANGERED SPECIES”.

                Go look at census numbers of worldwide whiteys POP at 1900 and compare to 2013!!

                The Vast Majority of aprox. 1/3 of a BILLION the Soviets killed or caused to be killed since 1918, were primarily Whites and Christian Whites. Compare those numbers to the infamous “Six-Million” which is always 99% of peoples kneejerk reply whenever the subject is Evils-Genocide-Deaths of innocents etc.

                It get’s tireing and is Sad to see so many folks brainwashed to believe that the Only Victims which matter is That Six million(actualy Proven to be Far less, Far, far less). Unless of course the subject is African Blacks.

                Then as per usual, the only victims which matter is…Blacks due to whatever happened way prior to Our being born. Funny public school books Never mention that in america, it was IRISH-WHITES that became the very First “Slaves” before a single african black was ever brought to our country. Also Never mentioned is the Facts that Most slave ships owners as well as many ships captains and even crews, as well as the euro Banksters who Funded Slavery Everywheres, were of the Same tribe as that infamous “six Million” were.

                That is to be expected I rekon, when you realize those same folks also Own Most every major Publishing house nationwide in usa. And They are who publish usa school history Text books! The Rabbit hole keeps going Deeper as you continue your truth search. Yet the Rabbits seem to always be of the Same tribe. If only people Today will learn of these truths, we could end our troubles Very quickly.

                The Swindlers are much akin to Magicians, and comdeieans. Once folks see the “trick” as a Trick, it is easier to figure out the scam. Same for comedy. Their jokes are only humorous and funny untill you know the punchline.

                Folks usually won’t remain to hear the same joke again after learning the end punchline. Same for folks who learn Truths about Todays troubles and why and who are doing it all. They won’t be fooled again comes to mind.

              • Larry Shrock

                The “tribe” who launched a relatively unknown and certainly underqualified Barack Obama’s career is the same one who had no qualms about conducting genocidal cleansing in Palestine.

                http://www.davidduke.com/?p=37715

                “Israeli Colonel Meir Pa’el on his retirement, remorsefully admitted that,

                ”The Irgun and LEHI men came out of hiding and began to `clean’ the houses. They shot whoever they saw, women and children included, the commanders did not try to stop the massacre ….”

                Zvi Ankori, who commanded the Zionist Unit at Deir Yassin gave this statement on April 9, 1982:

                “I went into 6 to 7 houses. I saw cut off genitalia and women’s crushed stomachs. According to the shooting signs on the bodies, it was direct murder.” (New York Jewish Newsletter in October 1960)

                The Zionists had bayoneted the wombs of pregnant Palestinian women and crushed the heads and bodies of dozens of children and babies.

                And then in the ultimate chutzpah, Zionists purposely publicized their horrific crimes.

                Menachem Begin was actually proud of Deir Yassin.

                He boasted that the massacre he ordered induced the terror that the Jews needed to help ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from the new Zionist State. Quote:

                “The massacre was not only justified, but there would not have been a state of Israel without the victory at Deir Yassin.” (New York Jewish Newsletter in October 1960)

                700,000 men women and children were terrorized and driven from their homes. The Jewish extremists accomplished this by mass murder, torture and terror.

                To this day Israel has not permitted the Palestinian refugees and their children to return to their own homes, farms, businesses, villages and cities stolen from them, the land from which they were murdered, injured, tortured, terrorized and ethnically cleansed.”

            • Justme

              Eugenics began in Britain, among their aristocracy, in the 1800’s, and was taken up in the US in the early 1920’s. Yes, the Nazis modeled their eugenics program after the British and American ones, but this was in response to what was then (and is now) happening to Europe.

              • YH

                I was speaking in contemporary terms regarding Eugenics. Not dating back to the 19th century.

                • Them Guys

                  Wow! New poster person here, “ORSOBUBU” sounds, based upon their style of writing, as if they may be a Hispanic person who has been taught the lastest forms of Communisim. IE: Hispanic Liberation Theology, a near exact copy of what Rev Wright taught Hobammys church group. IE: African Black Liberation Theology.

                  Reason I say likly a hispanic, is due to many write same as the speak when in english. IE: Fail to use capitol letters-commas-periods-Paragraphs etc. With writings same as speaking of what sounds like an ongoing 20 min sentence without any pauses etc. I meant nothing good nor bad regarding hispanics. Just an observation, and how so many hispanics were/are taught a newer form communisim etc. To assist in getting them to hate whites and hate the usa.

                  Its just kommizim but based more on falsified religious based need and methods to liberate the Black or Hispanic “Victims”…Victims of Whites of course.

                  This new resident kommie poster has swollowed kommies BS totally. Even to the point that only 20,000 got killed in Russia! And that that is excusable as it is what Lennin and Trotsky(both Rabid jews taught talmude when young prior to being atheists. Funny if russian bolsheviks was such atheists as we see proof from blowing up or torching over 25,000 orthodox christian churches…YET! Them same Bolshi jew kommies supposedly atheists Never harmed a single Synagouge eh! Why Not? see, talmudeic teachings that jews can murder and steal from and lie to Goyimn gentiles as long as they don’t do such to fellow jews.)

                  Its excusable as thats what was necessary for lennin and trotskys sucess!!!

                  It is long passed due, for folks everywheres to Re learn historic events facts and to discover the real reasons for various stuff which we know occured. Too much time is spent on What happened…Far too Less if Any time spent to Learn the “WHYS” of it. As for example Hitler. Everybody was taught the answer to this question:
                  How or why did nearly 95 million german folks get scammed or taken in by hitler? Taught Answer=: “Oh it was because hitler had a “way” to convince folks, so they agreed with hitler and we know the results”…A “Way” to convince gernams? Some of the Smartest-Most productive-Inventors-Builders-Perfectionistic types- known worldwide as such?

                  And so…90+ million germans all awoke one tuesday morning at 7 am to ready to go to work, when by some Massive “Coincidence” almost all 90 million german folks by time clock struck 8am that same tuesday morn, all began to agree and Shout out “Lets all Hate jews and kill em all ok”! And by Noon that same day, Hitler got elected!

                  Hitler, the 8th grade never attended high school “genius”?

                  Or was it due to his writing of Mien Komph?(which in english is something closer to My Struggle’s aka struggles to understand Why and How his nation germany got so fucked up and whom is responsible for it).

                  OR!! Could the vast 90% acceptance of Hitler by so many german folks be due to the Facts that…Those german folks SAW-HEARD-Personally evidenced what began to occure Twenty yrs BEFORE anyone ever heard of a guy named Hitler?

                  That being saw and heard what begin to happen when Russian Bolshevik Jews(Kommies aka soviets) began to Butcher-Torture-Slaughter-Imprison in Gulags(Real work camps!) those folks in germanys’ Fellow germans and relatives of germans back home in germany.

                  Once a person Learns the Truth about Kommies, as well as Bolsheviks and also learns at least a little of relevant Talmudic conections to it all(communisim ideals) and especially learms What went on in Russia in 1918 At least Two Decades Prior to any mention of hitler or nazis. Then can a person begin to get a clearer understanding of the True answers to “How did so many former good germans get corrupted by a guy called hitler?”

                  Maybe he simply spoke out and Told germany what Most knew already. That being the very same ilk destroying Russians and moving to take the entire eastern euro areas by Force, were the same type and same membership of their tribe, as were those who first infiltrated germany 100+ yrs before(like usa perhaps?) and were now Flooding across germanys borders preparing the Set-Up for an Exact duplicate takeover and mass murdering 100 million Germans who also were White and Christian mainly, just as was the case in Russia.

                  The REAL question folks should be asking is this: Would Hitler have been elected or even Known at all, IF, what those russian bolshevik jewish Kommies did Twenty yrs Prior to hitlers era, had NOT happened?

                  IMHO= NO! and WWII never would have happened neither.

                  Now today with what we know of since end of WWII, it truly is too bad Our usa govnt and Prez esienhower rejected Gen george Pattons pleas and Warnings that if we deal with them bolshevik kommies NOW(back in 1945) we wont never need deal with Kommies back home in america. Because mark my words(pattons words) if we do not confront kommies Now(1945) we WILL at sometime in future, And ON USA SOIL!…Patton figured it all out correctly by wars ending. As Pattons diary reveals from His own words.”We Fought the WRONG Enemy”(meant germany was Not the real enemys, Russian kommie jewsih bolsheviks Were and today STILL are!)

                  Try to Picture This Scenario: Todays usa=germany of 1945—Canada=England of 1945—-Mexico=Kommie Russia-1945.

                  Ok picture the usa has many mexicans in it with hoards more invading. Then once mecicans Delcare War against america, Canada begnis a campaign of SIX times Bombing usa citys!…Then after Repeated pleas for PEACE which in every case fails to be accepted by canada and mexicans…The usa says ok bastards and begins its Own bombing runs over Canada in a type of Blitzkrig of bomber planes non stop. WHO would Fault the USA? Would YOU?

                  The Above scenario is way closer to Truth than anything we was ever told to believe of WWII.

            • Bill

              Moron,

              Eugenics had ALREADY Been in place, for decades, in the USA and England.
              The Mentally ill were sterilized, laws on books against racial miscegentation and homosexuality and they were enforced! Germany was starving and made some tough decisions, but abortion was outlawed and the gun ages were lowered under Hitler.

              There was NO final solution!
              The Red Cross never mentioned it despite 80,000 visits to all camps, where Otto Frank and others lived in the Auschwitz Hospital sick with Typhus for 6 months! Do you really think that 6 million people died in a 2 car Garage Sized, vented room by use of bug spray in 18 months?

              Do the math or is that anti semitic too? It takes 3 hours to cremate a body per any modern crematorium.
              Thats 8 bodies per day, or 240 per month or 3000 per year.
              Auschwitz had 20 crematorium.

              Here are the photos, or do they lie too?
              http://traditionalcatholic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mediamoviestvdocumentary&action=display&thread=291

              France under Nazi Occupation, oh the horror..
              http://traditionalcatholic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mediamoviestvdocumentary&action=display&thread=290

              No one buys the Zio Bullsh*t anymore. At least those with a high 2 digit IQ and critical thinking skills.

              • Them Guys

                Bill: Exallent Links! I checked the france under “nazi” occupation link!..EVERYBODY needs vieew the tons of great photos. Totally Refutes what we amricans were taught to believe of WWII! Thanks Bill…I added that france link to my long list of favorites for future ref.

                NOTE: Of Special intrest relevant to our latest discussions on kommies etc see huge colro photo at Bills france link, of a massive color street sign as huge as a freeways billboard ad, sign is promoting Exibits of what Boshevisim is doing to Destroy Europe!(bolshevisim=russian jewish communisim).

                Also the huge color photo showing BOTH French civilians as well as Germans and german Officers in uniform exiting a Catholic Church after sunday service mass!…Those french folks sure seem very smiles and Happy eh. Total Oppoiste of what us usa folks was told by zionist run fed govnt here. Amazeing find Bill!

            • Andrew

              RIP hitler.

              I was shielded from reality of the coming race war in my public school days, but university changed me. When society falls – and we all agree on here it will, it will break into factions based on regional/racial lines.

              Why regional and racial? because the education system since the 60s has been indoctrinating minorities into thinking about the “evil white man”, and telling whites they should be ashamed. I bet there is more racial tension now than in the 1960s, the only difference is the welfare checks keep the savages from raising up.

              people will break into groups they are comfortable with. I can easily say that I trust a white man over a black man.

              I am rambling a bit and honestly forget my point. If only we would have sided with Hitler and killed off our coon population before it festered into what we have today. Do you think fucking Abe Lincoln would have freed them if he knew what they would turn into?

              and I say turn into because up until the 1960s the black man was hardworking respectable, Jazz music is sex to my ears… but the post 1960s black population needs to be hung. I need to write this stuff out in microsoft word before I post my crap. My apologies.

              • Anonymous

                Regarding Gaybraham Lincoln,I’ve reahed the conclusion that the real crime committed by John Wilkes Booth was that he did not act 3 years earlier than he did.

              • Thinker

                You must live in or near the most crime ridden black area in the world, because you’re not talking about the black population in general. You have no effing idea about the general black population to make such a stupid comment.
                I do know the black population enough to make averages and here are the facts: Black people know what’s going on and have known long before idiot war-cheering white morons like you ever had a clue about the ‘new order’. Blacks such as MLK were KILLED trying to stop their lying wars for profit, black musicians have talked about it, while You sat on your butt yapping about ‘ragheads’ and the fake ‘al CIA duh’ as the govt got trillions more for fake ‘wars’.
                Black people in general are smarter than you are (by far, trust me, lol), and once pushed they are going to push back.
                Hitler didn’t have a problem with black people he had a problem with jews who had declared economic boycotts against Germany you know-nothing.

                Your comment is an example of the big mouth redneck who’s only half educated but declares himself in a position to judge.
                You’re the one that deserves to be hung. Hopefully someday if you ever have to call for help and a black person is the only one around they’ll have the sense to know you’re a judgmental punk and just ignore you.

                • The Virginian

                  not quite a Thinker, First, Any community that blacks makeup a majority population, crime and poverty are rampant.Second, MLK was a commie. Third, “Hitler didnt have a problem with black people”, considering its been some seventy years since his rule and the current black populution of Germany today is only 1%, I doubt he ever had the displeasure of personally knowing any. Your comment is an example of a big mouth libtard who’s only half educated but declares himself in a position to judge. Hopefully someday you will be the victim of your pets.

                • Anonymous

                  Tell you what,thinker.Let’s me and you take a walk down south Austin Ave in Shitcago at about 2.00 am.I’ll bring my .45,you can wear your “Obama’s The Man!”tee shirt.When we’re approached by a group of strident Obama supporters,strongly suggesting we make a “campaign contribution”,I’ll draw my weapon and give boojy tunes a chance to run away.You,on the other hand,can stick around by yourself and tell them how “down”you are with their cause.We’ll see who gets out alive,because I sure as hell won’t care what they do to you.

                • Thinker

                  Virginian, you and ‘anon’ appear to be govt trolls.
                  -You are both working the ‘black hate’ angle to divide people.
                  -You are also both working the ‘Germany/Hitler’ angle to keep people who are uninformed believing the bs about ‘Hitler’ and his agenda. Again, Hilter’s problem was with the Jews who were causing massive problems and who had declared boycotts against Germany.
                  -MLK was a conservative and Pro family, he also spoke out against the fake wars, just as I said. But you don’t like those facts, because you’re a shill trying to keep focus on your black hatemonging to keep people divided.
                  -‘anon’ – You proved my point. I already called out your bs in my First line (you must live in the worst area). Using the worst possible example, as if that represents millions of others, only makes you look stupid, or like a govt troll.

                  Interesting you yap like a harpie about ‘blacks’ but conveniently leave out Illegals who are Millions More in population than blacks and More Illegals than blacks are on welfare, And Now crimes by illegals are getting a pass, but, you say nothing about that. So where’s your shrill harping about illegals.
                  What about all the white criminals, like the federal reserve bankers, or how about all those catholic church pedophiles that get no jail time. Where’s your venom for that. Too busy yapping bs about ‘blacks’ whose population is far smaller than illegals. Fail.

                  Another govt shill move, lazily copying my language. Why didn’t you just write ‘no you are’. Lol. Anyone reading your BS and my posts can clearly see you’re either govt shills or just incredibly stupid.
                  I happen to be primarily conservative. Being a govt troll using anti-black tactics makes you a Moron, it does not make me ‘liberal’. You govt hate trolls are out of your league with me so I suggest you quit now.

                  For real readers see – projectcensored.org 2012 list #2. Your taxes are being used to pay for govt shills to work various angles on comment threads, while you think they’re just regular people. Then again ‘virgianian’ and ‘anon’ could just be morons.

                • The Virginian

                  Since you seem to be a typical liberal retard, I shouldnt waste my time however, others read these comments. Bayard Rustin,Carl Braden,Hunter Pitts ODell all commies, all associates/employees of MLK.Like bho he never made a public declaration of his Marxist ideology, he just surrounded himself with likeminded people.As far as a there being a divide I guess you didnt see the election results? 90+% of blacks voted for O, almost 60% of whites voted GOP. That would say there is a great divide.Now its time for the real news, something the Unthinker doesnt get in Leftwing lala land…Melissa Dawn Huggins-Jones,Josiah Humphrey,Quinn Boyer, Jeremy Crane, Kyleigh Crane, Todd North,John Lehman, Melinda Sue McCormick, Matthew Gadfield,Aaron Makarian,Robert Horton,Fay Jones,Antonio Santiago, what do they have in common? All white and all murdered by your beloved africans(not illegal mexicans) in the last few months. Go back to the Huffpo where they like DNC hacks.

            • barry

              Was wondering if anyone could point out the page in Mein Kampf where it talks about genetic experiments or genocide, or that this “Final Solution” had anything to do with either? I can’t find this.

              • Anonymous

                @thinker,

                You know,you’re absolutely correct! All this time I didn’t know these gangs of “energetic youts” who start the riots every summer are actually WHITE! Talk about being an ignorant troll,do you really think ANYBODY
                needs to work an “angle” to state what the truth is? Obviously you don’t practice what you preach do you? When you start living in the hood side by side with YOUR equals,maybe then you’ll have an ounce of credibility.

          • LastPuff

            While I think it is likely that attempts at white genocide will be made in limited areas, I think it is extremely improbable it will happen on a large, general scale. Simply because the vast majority of firearms owners are white. Demographics are key. Major urban areas where the average law abiding person [white or otherwise] is unarmed, yes, they are going to be ugly. Possibly massive bloodbaths of racially motivated violence. But in urban areas where gun ownership is not heavily restricted by law, it will not play out that way.

            Out here in a rural area like mine, the minority would have to be stupid and suicidal to be going after the majority in such a manner. Gun owners around here don’t limit themselves to a handgun in a nightstand. You can make book on that. Desperation and violence will happen everywhere. But the demographics and environment outside the socialist urban areas will not be conducive to racial genocide.

            • maudy fricket

              You said demographics are key, then you said genocide is unlikely. I think you have ignored the changing demographics. Whites only make up about 10% of the world population, down from 30% in 1900. We used to make up 90% of the US. Now we are approaching only 50%. That is by design. There is more than one way to commit genocide. I charge genocide of my people by the globalist/marxists. Demographic genocide. This will be genocide by assimilation. The same thing happened to the American Indians. It’s not a matter of “if”, but rather, when. There is only one way to prevent the assimilation of my people (Whites), and it ain’t at the ballot box.

              • LastPuff

                maudy fricket:
                No, I’m not ignoring changing demographics. Yes, in the longer term we are screwed; not just “white” people as such, but all productive people who believe in liberty. However, at the moment we are discussing the much nearer term and how it will play out in the event of social/economic collapse. In that case, current demographics are certainly applicable. Obviously, there are variables coming into play that can change that, potentially even in the near future (20 million new Mexicans after amnesty; mass gun confiscation; martial law type crackdown before a collapse). But they haven’t yet happened.

            • Kevin2

              In the event of a collapse its not a white v black issue but rather a have v have not issue. The underclass through accident or design have less of everything in good times. The urban underclass regardless of race are generally much more dependent upon government and hence the most vulnerable. They’re as Kissinger said in his classic statement, “Useless Eaters” in the opinion of TPTB. Because they’re already grouped together I believe they’ll secure them in place, cut off the news to the outside world and let them fend for themselves. Mass hoards will not be permitted to leave to cause troubles elsewhere. Their plight will be terrible.

              • Them Guys

                It is Racial all right!

                “WE HAVE GOT TO ELIMINATE THE GRINGOS”

                By: Devvy

                March 30, 2006

                NewsWithViews.com

                The words above were spoken by Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas, Arlington and founder of the La Raza Unida political party. His full comment was: “We have an aging white America … They are dying …We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”

                FROM: A Speech that Wetback Porfessor at Univ of TEXAS gave to a huge group attending his speech there!

                Besides african savages wanting to kill whiteys, so do these Savage Mexican “Negroes”. If a person becomes like those he chooses to hang out with, how much More so do people become like Those they Cross-Breed with? aka mexicans with african dna. BOTH are Deadly to Whites, after decades of being taught to Blame and Hate whites for all of the failures of african blacks as well as their “Kin folk” Mexican savages.

                • Kevin2

                  Realize that if the TPTB did not have infighting in the working classes then they would promote it.

                  The White v Back v Hispanic plays into their hands.

          • Ryback

            JustMe; Dont bet the bank on that. Whites have a very high tolerance level. It takes alot to set them off. And when that happens, RUN, HIDE, Because if their pissed enough, and really belive their fighting for something, they will burn and kill everything in sight. Thats why Obama wants to disarm the American public,(really the white working class), and why the DHS is arming up, 2 billion rounds of ammo, who knows how many guns, their scared. And should be. IF it happens, and I hope it does not, MUI’s; minority urban youths, will have no place to hide. It is not in our hands, the tipping point will be based on the decisions the Obama Administration makes. Based on the stupidity going on now, it does’nt look very bright.

            • Boe Jiden

              What if the 2 billion rounds of ammunition are being stockpiled to supply the “civilian military force” that was mentioned at the start of the Obama presidency.

              It’s pretty reasonable to believe he would have trouble getting funding to equip such a force, but if the materials already existed (under control of the executive branch), it would be a simple matter to issue it his friends.

              • The Virginian

                My thoughts as well, Boe. We have already seen this regime arm mexican gangs (knowing the end result would be a huge body count) to advance their agenda(gun ban for US). Doesnt take a stretch of imaginationto believe the govt stockpile of weapons and ammo are meant for his true followers (they dont own guns like we do…just another form of redistibution).

            • Tucker

              I wish I could ditto Ryback’s prediction, but he fails to provide any ideas on how we will ever be able to pry the white male eyeballs off of their 32 inch wide Big Screen TV’s and their lips off the rear ends of the endless parade of dredlocked, tattoo covered, IQ of 75, inner city gang banging, criminally prone sports ‘heroes’ who chase various shapes of leather balls around on football field or on basketball courts – long enough to get these disgusting nitwits interested in taking up their weapons to engage in the long overdue fight to end the White racial genocide agenda of our hostile and alien ruling elite class.

              • Rick:)

                Damn well said Tucker. Well said. To be fortunate and blessed to be born white, and idolize these semi-retarded sports players, rappers and gangsta’s. WTF. Wiggers and coal burners. My wife accuses me of being prejudice. I correct her and remind her I am a racist. And why? My eyes, that’s why! I see what these non whites do and how they organize and govern themselves, everywhere in the world, and I draw conclusions. Anything else is forcing me to go against my common sense and personal observation. Can’t do it. Won’t do it. They show me better, I change, perhaps. Until then, I’ll just stick with ” birds of a feather, flock together”.
                And p/ s. There are individuals who don’t fit this mold. But they are the exception.

                • Tucker

                  Yes, there are exceptions – and I’ve personally known and had a few of those exceptions as friends, usually through our mutual participation in sports and athletics.

                  But, in general, and as a rule – I’ve found that there is something vaguely unnatural and uncomfortable about excessive socializing with large numbers of people of any non-white race. In limited scenarios, it can be done, but eventually the strain brought about by the Political Correctness disease results in a White guy or woman feeling like they are walking on egg-shells, because non-whites have been brainwashed to have extremely thin skin and will take offense at the drop of a feather.

                  Frankly, I want nothing to do with that sort of scenario, so I tend to avoid associations with minorities.

              • Ryback

                Tucker; Watch what happens when that 32 inch goes out, or he cant stock his fridge with his favorite beer, and his gorgous girlfriend and kid say I’m hungry, but he cant get any food. And his smart phone goes dead, and theres no gas for that hotrod of his. Magnify this 150 or 200 million times and watch what happens.

                • Tucker

                  Excellent point, Ryback. However, with the incredibly huge and nauseating percentage of White males under the age of, say about 40, dressing and adopting the ‘whigger’ attitude and behavior – I wonder if these guys will even be on the side of their own race, if and when any ethnic conflict does arise?

                • Ryback

                  Tucker; If that happens it would probably be a low percentage. Have you ever read the book Civil War 2: The Coming Breakup of America by Thomas W. Chittum. Very good read and very informative. It should answer a lot of questions, I still go back time and time again and look things up.

              • The Virginian

                Your comment would be funny, if the truth of it werent so sad. I agree, Im afraid many wont wake up until its to late.I find it more and more difficult to talk to those that cant or wont wake up to the reality. The time for self indulgence has passed. I know a couple men that have the latest and greatest cellphone, but dont own a firearm. It will be a sad day for them and their loved ones when the black plague is raging outside their door, amd they realise they would much better armed with a Remy 870 than an iphone.

                • Tucker

                  I am ashamed to admit that, while I live in a state that has a GOP semi-neocon, semi-RINO for a governor, for some bizarre reason, in November 2012’s presidential election, the state went for the commie marxist from Kenya.

                  Granted, this could be blamed on the establishment GOP leadership who foisted a blood-thirsty, liberal RINO and neo-con candidate who was clearly owned by Sheldon Adelson and the Israel War Mongering Lobby – and this kept a substantial number of traditional conservatives from voting for him, but I don’t really think that this fact alone was the sole reason why my state went for the commie.

                  I remember how I walked into the voting precinct last November, and I had never seen a crowd that huge for ANY election I had ever participated in. I had to stand in line for almost and hour and 15 minutes, before I got a chance to vote. Now, traditionally, we have always been told by the experts that a big turnout for a mid-term election is usually supposed to spell bad news for the incumbent, right? So, those were my thoughts while I was waiting for my turn to vote. I was chuckling to myself and thinking: “This commie anti-white Marxist racist totalitarian monster is history!”

                  Incidentally, I glanced around at the crowd – and only counted about 5 or 6 blacks, and a couple of them were wearing those ‘Black Power’, clenched fist T-Shirts. How do like that flavor of black brass, folks?

                  But, lo and behold – not only did this evil guy win reelection, but he won my state and he also won my district, which is overwhelmingly White. That has to mean that a huge number of Whites decided to vote to reelect a card carrying Communist, Marxist, and Socialist who despises their White guts and who is now attempting to take away our means of self defense, and drive the final stake through the heart of White Western Civilization and the GOP by passing amnesty and turning America into Mexico El Norte.

                  If I wasn’t living inside this nightmare, I would almost not believe it could be really happening.

            • Kulafarmer

              Vikings,
              They were kilt wearing barbarians that EVERYBODY including the moors were wary of.

          • vicious rodent

            the white race will triumph as it always has.

          • Cornholeus

            Its always non-whites attacking whites when you hear about ‘yoots’

          • twowisper

            @ JMS I say let the cleansing begin. There are a few people in my circle that are LEO’s and I am not but they are concerned as much as you all are on here.I live close to Peoria Ill. and have for many years. I have found that they ( the thousands of criminal black element that inhabit this area will be in for a treat.While they knock up white whores and steel kill and rob ,or standing in a something for nothing line ,whites are standing in lines to buy ammo. I can not speak for all white men just the ones I know and the ones I meet do not want this but all say it is inevitable because when that PTB have finally screwed us to the breaking point ,shit will hit the fan. We know it is gonna happen so instead of putting your head in the sand we chose to plan and be ready. While I am and many around me would be consider law breakers we stand with the Constitution and not the crazy rules Ill. crooks have passed. To stop White Genocide. The best thing for Whites would be a complete wrol or shtf across all of America. I believe when we can go back to boundaries and become tribal like we all once where we will only then stop the self mutilation that has been forced on the white society. The only way is a complete breakdown of this broken system and that we all know is coming in our life times or our children’s. It is imperative to you and your group of people to keep a low profile. We are the sleeper cells that the left fear and hate that is why they want our guns ,it is not about some asshole’s that are going out on a shooting spree’s at all. Being prepared is not just about gathering stuff. It is learning how and why and where things are and how to utilize them. We will not be the person’s who runs to the hills and waits for them to come , instead we will over come and adapt. To the ptb we are the worst sleeper cells that have and will ever be hands down.

          • BJ (the real original BJ)

            There not just “youth” there Muslims

          • Leeboy

            I seriously doubt that shitskins can organize genocide against humans,the white man is the most dangerous warrior on the planet,how many times do we have to prove it,the ni66er would stand no chance against the human in a total war,the only time the white man can’t win a war is when we hold back and don’t destroy their women and children,in a total war,the white man would wipe the shitskin from the face of the planet.

            • Tucker

              I wonder if this warrior characteristic has somehow been bred out of White males?

              It seems to me, judging from the behavior I see being exhibited by most White males in the 18-40 age range, that most of them are trying their level best to act, dress, and behave in the same kind of manner as do inner city, Ghetto bred blacks. Often times, I will be out driving around town, and if the weather is nice and my window is rolled down – stopping at a traffic light, I’ll hear the most horrible screeching sounds of gutter filthy black rap music blasting out of cars that are in the next lane over, and when I glance over – 8 times out of 10, there will be a young White guy in the car and he’ll have his hair braided in those nasty looking corn-rows or stringy looking dred-locks.

              When I was a young guy in that age range, I’d hear the sounds of WHITE country & western music coming out of car or pickup truck radios, and the White guys who were driving would be well groomed, and wearing clothes that reflected their pride in being White men.

              What the hell happened to you, White man? What happened to your White racial pride?

            • Anonymous

              How true is that!The world always seems to forget that the white man has fought all his battles since WW2 with one hand tied behind his back for “political”reasons.”If the gloves are ever removed,there’s going to be a great shock on many,many faces.

          • sixpack

            I don’t give a damn if they are purple with pink stripes—they come after me and mine and I’ll send them to meet their maker. period.

            YH—I got your six buddy.

          • NunJoBizness

            White Genocide is in full swing already. Look to South Africa…the Afrikaner people, who had been basically disarmed, are being raped with sharpened broomsticks, hacked to death, gang raped and murdered in the most dehumanizing ways by murderous racist blacks and the ANC and “hero” Mandela condones it.

        • Jack

          You got THAT right.

      • arizona

        THE police gangs have planned to start blocking off the roads as soon as they are told,(so much for leaving town)THEY have never HONORED THEIR OATH,their nothing but a pack of lieing bought and paid for whores,prison guards are told if a SHTF comes down they are to lock down everyone and then put FIVE BULLETS in every prisoner,(remember most prisoners are POT smokers or took pictures of police commiting crimes,THATS 90% of prisoners,(slave labor),when the SHTF,the police will KILL without mercy,women,children and anyone who stands in their way,THEY WILL BE LIKE WILD ANIMALS,plan ahead,you life will depend on it…and they are talking about rounding up VETERANS starting this weekend,5/25/2013,so all you vets get ready your on the red list,and don’t stop at any government road blocks,or the fights over for you..REMEMBER,those honorable LOE’s will be helping the russians(DHS) take you prisoner…don’t let it happen………

        • WA Native

          And I thought my idea was tough, just let ’em rot in their cells.

          • Paranoid

            I have read all the comments and no one seems to realize the collapse has all ready started. It’s been going on for better than 30 years. Large areas in major cities the cops won’t go into at night. Each individual must define collapse for themselves. The Gov isn’t going to stop people from leaving until well after most of us should have left town. Have any o you ever seen or heard of the Gov doing ANYTHING early? The problem is not the Gov stopping people, it’s the people that run out of gas 10 miles down the road, It’s interstate lanes that have a capacity of 1200 cars per hour and 5000 want to use them.
            Forget the Gov controlling the news, Thousands of people with cell phone cameras will start the panic. If you do not start early you are not going to get out unless you have a dirt bike or an Ultralight, Look at the Gun/Ammo crisis The stuff was gone in hours, but you had months of warning, just didn’t believe it.
            I don’t know when it starts or even IF, but I know if you wait till you know you need something it will be out, gone by the time you get there. To G.O.O.D. You will have some warning. As long as the SNAP cards work, the ATM’S are going, it’s fine: Just don’t stop to fill your tank of gas when they don’t, just get out. You will have from 3 hours to 3 days, that’s all.

            • lastmanstanding

              I think that your assessment is pretty close to correct.

              When the free shit isn’t accessible to the non-producers, it will become insane in population areas within 24 hrs. The fucks know that and are counting on it.

              I laugh at the “cash is king” folks. 3 days for cash in most areas, perhaps 2 weeks in out areas.

              Tangibles of any kind will be the only thing that anyone will want…better learn how to negotiate to stay alive.

            • JustMe

              But..but..there can be no collapse…the stock market just hit an all time high…msm said so…

          • Walt Kowalski

            Well….that would be fine if ALL of the people locked up in our prisons were really, really bad people.

            The reality is….a large percentage of our prison population are there for what are essentially….victimless or non-violent crimes….drug possession, petty theft, white collar crimes…etc.

            I’m not saying that these are good people per se….but they are not evil either. There are probably more evil people in positions of authority in this country than there are in the prisons.

            The violent ones can rot as far as I’m concerned…but not every person in prison deserves to die. Many are just self-destructive more than anything else.

            And as our government becomes ever more draconian…..more and more people are being locked up every day that should never be imprisoned in the first place.

            • Tucker

              Er uh, do I have to remind anyone that one of the consequences of placing a virulently anti-White, rage and resentment filled minority into the top power spot where he and his Communist pals can rule over a historic White European nation – is that, if the SHTF Day arrives, and its open racial warfare – that all of those prison doors are going to be opened wide, and all of those really dangerous and criminally experienced brothas who’d been ‘wrongly incarcerated’ by the ‘evil racist White man and his system’ are going to be unleashed and enlisted in the Communist Marxist-Black Panther Army brigades?

              • Leeboy

                A bunch of doped up drunk ni66ers are no threat to the white man other than to make his life miserable by living in our white countries.

                • The Virginian

                  Never underestimate your enemy, As far as not being a threat, they have been inflicting causulties(see my response to YH comment above) on us for the last 50 years with no retaliation or real punishment. Our side blames poverty, racism, lack of role models etc.for their behavior.

            • Paranoid

              Does your brain ever work? If it comes to It, millions of completely innocent people are going to die. On average we don’t lock up people who aren’t a problem in State prison, they are in some low security jail. Sorry, but if the SHTF, let them die in their cells. They don’t have stockpiles of anything, jobs, or skills. So what do you think the possibility is that they might resort to crime to get them? 99% or 100%? I can think of no better group to cull first. But if you want them, I’d be happy to drop a few on your front lawn. We are not talng about a rain out of an ice cream party here.

              • durango kidd

                Paranoid: You make a really good point. Don’t leave the cake out in the rain.

              • sixpack

                Oh yes we do lock up people who have never hurt anyone but themselves, in state prison. That’s where you go for smoking a joint or taking a hit, driving without permission, GETTING CAUGHT WITH A 30 ROUND MAG or an ASSAULT RIFLE or speaking out against the government.

                GET RID OF EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON TODAY…tomorrow it might be you and yours, for refusing to turn in your guns or ‘hoarding’ supplies.

            • Shooty McBang

              “White collar crimes” typically consist of “betrayal of public trust”, which is the reason for the shape our world is in. Our body politic is nothing more than “white collar criminals”! Treason is a capital offense! If we hung every bastard that violated public trust none of us would even be here having this discussion. We would all be enjoying life and watching our babies grow up! The decisions to lay waste to anything in its path is a “white collar” decision. WAR IS A WHITE COLLAR CRIME. White collar criminals are the biggest pussies on the planet but yet, initiate the most massive mayhem on the planet. Congress is a hornet’s nest of white collar criminals!!!

              • Walt Kowalski

                @ Paranoid, durango kid and Shooty McBang…

                So why what are we waiting for? Let’s just execute ALL prison inmates now and be done with it. Preemptive remediation of a future problem.

                Hence forth….all crimes of a nature serious enough to warrant prison time, will be instantly escalated to a death sentence.

                Yes sir. That’s just what we need to do.

                Sounds like you guys have thought this through real well……..Not!

                • Paranoid

                  Actually, IF we shot everyone in prison, I’d be for it, right now. Then fill it again with the gangs and do it again. Tell the third batch you arrest to play nice or they are next. Bet prisons and cities would calm down a lot. You could make collage free on the money you saved. Spend the Billions on people who contribute rather than scum. You cannot insult me that way. Never said I was MR.Nice Guy. That’s also why I figure to survive. I like good people, but I have no problem disposing of problems

                • durango kidd

                  Walt: While many who are incarcerated ARE habitual criminals, and the rate of return to crime is high after release, (as felons have few options) back in about ’95 there were 26 men on Death Row in Illinois.

                  DNA analysis was new at the time due to the OJ trial.

                  When DNA evidence that had been collected at the crime scenes for the crimes for which these men had been sentenced was compared to their DNA, it was found that fully 50% of them were innocent as claimed. They were eventually released.

                  Since that time I have been against the death penalty, unless, unequivical DNA evidence supports the findings of the crime for which the accused is found guilty; but in a SHTF Scenario, stray dogs and criminals WILL be a problem.

                  Shoot straight. One to the groin, one to the head. End of problem.

                • Walt Kowalski

                  Thanks DK….

                  I agree with you on the death penalty as regarding DNA being a requirement.

                  I spent over 10 years working as an investigator and I can tell you first-hand that eye-witness testimony is highly unreliable. Positively identifying people is one of the hardest things in the world to do….yet many people have been sent up on not much more than testimony of a witness who said, “Yep…he did it.”

                  And you are exactly correct…..once you get a felony on your record, your employment options become extremely limited.

                  I’m not saying that the people in prison are good folks. I’m just saying that having the attitude that when TSHTF, the first thing we do is execute all prison inmates. That is just barbaric, and makes us no better than TPTB that we all claim to despise.

                  I would have less of a problem with executing those who have committed violent crimes like rape and murder, because we know that if they are released back into a population where rule of law has broken down, they will be a problem for everyone.

                  But carte blanche…wholesale slaughter of people just because they are in prison is just wrong. Period.

                • Kevin2

                  DK

                  The legal standard for conviction should remain as “beyond a reasonable doubt” but a death sentence should require ‘beyond the shadow of a doubt”. I’m with you 100% with the DNA requirement.

            • Selkirk

              @ Walt

              Yeah, I checked back in for some reason. Nothing against you. I suspect I could have a reasonable discussion with you face to face.

              I was responding to the apparent majority in here who drank the right-wing koolaid and won’t tolerate any divergence from the Republican party line. It’s that thinking that will elect Hillary Clinton in 2016. I don’t look forward to that day.

              • sixpack

                We cannot allow that bitch to get into the white house, or back into ANY politically powerful office…period.

                • Selkirk

                  So dialogue with the middle… or at least the center-right.

              • Anonymous

                so are you going to start crying again when the right wing majority disagrees with you? Perhaps try to sell us on how smart communists are? See Cuba and North Korea first. What gets hitlery elected will be Diebold voting machines and a lying national media, along with 30 million “new” americans looking for their share of welfare pie.Yeah,right wing thinking will elect her,troll.

                • Selkirk

                  Mindless right-wing extremism in the personage of Sarah Palin absolutely elected King Obama. In other words, you are the one responsible.

                  You, Anon, not aware of the simple fact that you’re not in the majority so you drag the right farther right in the primaries. You are responsible for this.

        • peter pan

          Someone forgot to take their Zanex

          • Bill

            Obey Propoganda and be a good tax slave..I mean American.
            Go back to sleep now.

          • Shooty McBang

            Is that the title of your autobiography?

          • Anonymous

            @Selkirk,

            Nice try troll.If you can’t argue the facts,try to baffle ’em with bullshit,eh? I couldn’t help but notice that you certainly didn’t want to go anywhere near the facts I presented about Hilary,did you? No,can’t do that,nothing to base a straw argument on that soooooo i’ll conveniently slip in a sarah palin comment to try and shift the focus.Did you learn that from your SMART communist friends?

        • M

          Sounds good to me , it will keep the worthless predatory liberals trapped in open air thunderdomes. Shut off the utilities and most cities will be filled with emaciated wretches and corpses faster than you can say starvin marvin sittin on sally struthers lap.

        • Prescott

          Arizona: And just who in the hell are THEY? And exactly when and where did THEY talk about this ‘so-called’ round up? There are over 21 million veterans, of which 12.6 million are Vietnam Era and Gulf War Era vets. Since we live all across the U.S., who is going to ’round’ us up? Certainly not the cops because there are only around 1 million cops at the federal, state, and local levels combined. One of the so-called detention centers kooks like you talk about was Camp Blanding in Florida. I was there less than three weeks ago on business (veteran) and unless that ‘alleged’ detention center is invisable, they don’t have one. Sorry, but I have to call B.S. on your ’round-up’.

          • M

            They would not have to round anyone up. I got stuff too make up signs that say FOOD , DOCTOR , HOT SHOWER 15 miles ======> FEDERAL RELIEF CAMP . To keep the tardos moving along , away from my property and conserve my ammo in event of a disaster ).

            Ever been to a failed state ? People will march for miles on foot too “get help” rather than engage in violence.

            All it till take is some direction signs to get any federal camps filled up with entitled sheepos , no round up needed.

        • Bimbam

          I do not believe OUR police will do that. I DO believe foreign police will do that. Lemme explain…

          We have to watch the foreigners they are putting in the Police, the Military, the DHS, etc.

          THEY WILL KILL AMERICANS WITH NO REMORSE. They are not connected to US. You must understand this or you will DIE!

          • Paranoid

            The foreign police will not bother us for a moment. 1. If we go down, they will be needed at home. 2. If we go down our money is no good, they aren’t going to work free. 3. Everyone I know doesn’t want to hurt our guys, but The BLUE hats or anyone else is toast. 4. Just how many people do you think it would take to subdue the US population? Took 1000 cops just to track down one. The few hundred or thousand they have would not last past midnight in most big cities.

      • durango kidd

        This article makes the case for 20,000 drones in OUR skies by 2020 to take out the Zombies.

        Only an EMP or Pole Shift can create the SHTF scenario envisioned where NO public services are operating.

        SNAP / EBT Cards are designed to feed the population in a SHTF Event. Get one! 🙂

        • Barn Cat

          We’re going to have a complete economic collapse due to the collapse of the dollar. The Fed is creating $85 billion a month out of thin air. It’s only a matter of time before we have hyperinflation like Germany had in the 1920s. Germany went from 4 marks to the dollar to a billion marks to the dollar. When that happens in America 90% or more of the US population will starve or die in the violence.

          • Kevin2

            Barn Cat

            If your not correct your theory is within spitting distance of it.

            That 85 billion / month is over three times the money we spend on imported oil. All the talk for decades of the drain “imported oil” is putting on the economy and here is over 3 x of money going in with just enough effect to keep civility not luxury.

            Here is the math.

            8 million bbls / day imported oil @ $95 bbl = $760 million dollars / day = 22.8 billion dollars a month.

            85 billion / 22.8 billion = 3.7 times (almost 4)

            That is a HUGE amount going into the economy out of nowhere and we’re still floundering? This speaks volumes for the depth the USA has dropped to. Pull the plug on that and “look out” don’t pull the plug and “look out”.

            • Kevin2

              To dramatize the 85 billion in stimulus a tad clearer its not only is a multiple of imported oil but dwarfs our entire oil consumption.

              We use a combined domestic and imported supply of 17 million barrels a day of oil. Multiplied by $95 a barrel that is 1.6 billion per day or 48.5 billion per month. The stimulus is $85 billion per month. The nation has its de-facto oil bill being paid almost twice over and we still can’t make our ends meet. Remember that is not just your personal gasoline bill but oil to make the wheels of society rotate.

        • anonymous6.8

          @DK

          You’re an optimist. I believe those drones are intended to take US out. We who govern ourselves and practice self-reliance. Why risk a take down team to seize our firearms and logistics if they can drop a missile on our location?

          Would destroy most of our firearms and logistics but it’s one fewer liberty firster for the tyrant to worry about. The costumed can move in after we’re shredded to grab anything useful in the weckage.

          About those 2 BB rounds DHS has. Suppose they are distributed to every GS 5 and above in all those non .mil non FLEA agencies. Can you imagine Harry and Sally GSer coming for us? Oh would you please …. civvie fed lard asses … would you please CATI.

          The tyrant is headquartered across the river. A large fraction of the local work force works directly for him. Another large fraction are single-customer gov contractors, trainers, lobbyists or journalists. Almost everyone in these parts is on the tyrant’s payroll one way or another. Or benefits from the purchasing power of those who are.

          While some of those folk are relatively non-ideological some of them hate us with a passion. If they had the option to they would form hunting parties coming for us.

          All I ask of whatever deities there may be is that one of those civ govvie paper pusher hunter killer teams knocks on my door. Can we be overrun? Yes, but until then my property will be a shoot house.

          • Night breaker

            I’ll tell you what this .gov dude would be long gone if it comes to this , there are a lot of us who would get geared up and simply disappear…..as far as the ones that hate everybody they would not last 5 seconds against a competent OPFOR.
            TPTB don’t realize that all the support they think they have just isn’t there.

            Keep preparing , time is on our side, TPTB are in for a rude awaking.

            Semper Fi 8541

        • Walt Kowalski

          It would not require something as extreme as an EMP or pole shift.

          A pandemic or significant terrorist attack could set the stage as well.

          We are dependent upon a very fragile infrastructure that requires multiple dependencies to keep it running. Anything that interferes to a significant degree with those dependencies, and things start coming apart.

          The History Channel produced a docudrama called “After Armageddon” that illustrated how a global pandemic could bring this about. In the scenario they described, the pandemic resulted in loss of the power grid simply because the people required to keep it going were no longer able to carry out their jobs.

          The world has experienced such pandemics in the past, but these occurred BEFORE we were so dependent upon things like the power grid and food resources that had to be transported literally thousands of miles to urban areas. Food staple items for instance, were for the most part, produced locally. That is not the case today.

          Our dependency on modern conveniences have set the stage for this. The very things that make our lives comfortable today are no longer simply luxuries…they have become necessities for our very existence.

          Large scale civil unrest can also bring about loss of the power grid. And that is probably the reason we are seeing the ramping up of agencies like DHS and FEMA with their preparations centered around their procurement of weapons, billions of rounds of ammunition and MRAP vehicles.

          I am certain that these scenarios have all been “gamed” in think tanks and in DHS and FEMA. They KNOW that something is big is coming….or they may even be planning to bring it about. And they are doing their best to prepare for their own survival….not the survival of the American people. This is why they have purchased huge amounts of long-term food supplies and have constructed underground redoubts in places like the Ozarks and Colorado. And it’s why they want everyone but them disarmed.

          And yes…..the drones and every other means of surveillance that they are implementing are part of that plan. But they consider US to be the zombies.

          They would like to thin us out without having to resort to these redoubts….but they are preparing for the worst case scenario.

          • durango kidd

            Walt: You are right about one thing ….. some of you ARE Zombies. On the other hand, Sheriff Joe, his Posse, the AZ National Guard, and any military available will be deployed to protect MY neighborhood.

            Just saying. 🙂

            • Walt Kowalski

              @DK…

              Pipe dream.

              • Walt Kowalski

                Oh….and DK….. I am most definitely NOT a zombie.

                But I would say that anyone who thinks that the kind of command and control structure as Sheriff’s departments and National Guard are going to continue to function as effective units in a real SHTF situation has probably already had whatever brain they had devoured by zombies.

                Look at what happened in places the Balkans for examples. The closest thing anyone had there to organized defense of neighborhoods was the local warlord.

                • Piper Michael

                  Sheriff Arpaio already IS the warlord in their area…
                  😉

                • durango kidd

                  Support your local Sheriff. Join his posse. organize your neighborhood. My neighbors are armed to the TEETH! If they get past my neighbors and can run faster than my gatling guns can shoot ….

                  I’m toast! 🙂

                  Ya know folks, you can create gatling guns with a heavier caliber than 22l. Just saying.

        • Bill

          Drones are easily ‘defeated’ with $10 software.

          Already been done. Look it up after you take your Vagisil.

          There is a counter strategy for every strategy..sort of like chess.

          • Barn Cat

            And how will that work after the electrical grid goes down?

          • LSB

            Vagisil is for ladies…

      • Anonymous

        It’s not just the cops, judges at all levels are subject to the same slime. Together they are a really dangerous combination. In my case, the cop gave me a ticket for talking on my cell phone when I hadn’t done anything of the kind. I requested written deposition from the cop and went to court. The deposition was not signed and was, therefore, invalid. However the judge accepted it. I produced my cell phone bill proving that no call had been made, but the judge accepted the cop’s purely speculative objection that the bill ” may not have been” mine ( I produced the phone company contract stating I was the owner of the phone). So we have a cop perjure himself in court after having submitted a false police report ( both felonies) and judge and an appellate judge protecting him. Cost of the lesson? $105.00. Benefit of the experience? Priceless!
        Oh, by the way I have stopped my donations to the fund benefitting all cops and saved many times the cost of the fine.

      • DianaS

        I agree. I saw them in action at Katrina on youtube. A little VERY elderly woman was thrown to the grown and then picked up and handcuffed because, not understanding what was going on in the middle of the night when her door was busted open, she had a handgun in her hand.

      • DianaS

        The government will know when this is going down long before we do. They’ve been planning it for quite some time.
        In Houston alone, they have 30,000 Nato troops, staying who knows where. It will be like that everywhere. The powers that be are not going to depend on local law enforcement to disarm and control.

    2. Barn Cat

      I think cities will collapse as soon as there’s no longer a police presence. There will be rioting as soon as food stamp cards don’t work and/or when there’s no longer food in the stores. It will get exponentially worse once it’s clear the police aren’t coming.

      I expect FEMA to keep people from leaving the cities like they did during Hurricane Katrina. Imagine being on an interstate surrounded by ghetto neighborhoods and suddenly the traffic is stopped. It won’t be long and the criminals from the ghettoes will be preying on people in their cars.

      • John Q. Public

        “Won’t be long”??? We’ve already seen “flash mob” violence, most of it racial in nature, in dozens of US cities.

        As far as protection goes—Don’t leave home without it.

        • Them Guys

          Barn Cat go check out Incogman website he has tons of good articles with many photos never seen on Any MSm’s news. All are of whites badly beaten, some killed, by massive RECENT(aprox a 12-18 months now) wave of Chimpouts as he calls it. Usually its from 40-500+ African Black hoards of “Yoooots” who use cell text messg’s to alert fellow chimpouters as to which location to meet at. Once there, it is all out attacks on Whites. And ONLY on whites.

          I am talking of Huge savage animal sized Yoot blacks useing a solid Brick to repeatedly Smash in a persons Face. Then knock em down so all his fellow chimpout yoots can gang up to kick the downed white person, male and female too! Untill near death or cops sirens are heard.

          Check the photos at that website for proof. It IS already Here and been growing weekly since 1-1 1/2 yrs ago.

          Just wait till the first time them yoots choose to attack motorists in rush hour stopped traffic again, only it will be fully well armed Whites with RIFLES and AR’s that shoot every single savage attacker dead. Then the shit will expolde! Sharpton will rant and cry Raaassssiiisss!

          And america will go on fire litterally. Them savages know One thing only. Violence. And That is all which will halt there Rasist attacks on whiteys period.

          • Tucker

            Isn’t it weird, how both the left and the RINO/neo-con right will uniformly join hands to condemn, demonize and heap boat loads of blistering hot criticism upon any White man or White woman who speaks out about black and mestizo violence against Whites, and who believes that Whites should start fighting back against these savage attackers?

            Why, it is almost as if both the Chrissy “Mr. Tingle” Matthews lefties and the “I Love to Suck up to Israel” Sean Hannity types on the right both have the attitude that Whites are somehow obliged to simply accept this criminal behavior directed against them and not complain about it.

            And, here is the sickest aspect to how this attitude is being promoted: Millions of Whites seem to have meekly adopted this position. They’ve been taught to love their tormenters.

            Is this some kind of grotesque magnification of the ‘battered wife syndrome’, or what?

      • arizona

        BARN CAT,did you notice,in new orleans,Katrina,OVER 5,000 people were brough into the mourge who were shot in their head at close range,NEVER a mention on TV about that,hussicane andrew 1992,south florida,6,000 people shot at close range in their head,buried at the air force base,WITH A BULLDOZER,never a mention on TV about that,WHEN the SHTF in america EXPECT LOE’S TO DO THE SAME THING everywhere in america,take care to NOT BE IN THEIR SIGHTS,or you’ll fine out the truth about these animals the HARD WAY….and NEVER GIVE UP YOUR WEAPONS………………

        • HisArmsWide

          Arizona can you provide references to this? This sounds like something that should be looked into further.

          • Stay Thirsty my friends -- for the TRUTH!

            References? arizona don’t need no stinkin references! You read it here! THAT should be good enough!

            arizona: You must have high security clearance. Try to keep the intel coming. We know you are probably risking your life to help us. Thanks!

            • Swim Fins Look Good On You

              The only thing being risked listening to arizona is your sanity.

          • Swim Fins Look Good On You

            18 to 1 positive for this dribble? No wonder people think preppers are idiots.

            Do you really believe 6000 people were shot in the head and buried with a bulldozer at an air force base? Really?

            My advice is don’t try bartering after the SHTF. You’ll trade all your powered eggs for a magic bean.

          • Smokey

            Go dig up the mass grave and prove it. No way a modern-day Katyn can be hidden.

            • Walt Kowalski

              I gotta agree.

              If you’ve got 6000 people executed and buried in mass graves, you are going to have a lot of family members and friends making noise about their missing friends and loved ones.

              Even I don’t wear my tin-foil hat that tight.

          • lastmanstanding

            google Cynthia McKinney…she was a US congresswoman.

            Choose to believe whatever you want when it comes to the gub…best to make sure that you can make it to the other side.

            • Tucker

              I’ve listened to Cythnia McKinney on several web radio talk shows, and the bizarre thing about those appearances is that for some incredibly unfathomable reason, there is the idea floating around some sections of the ‘patriot’ and ‘pro-White’ community that this woman is someone who is somehow on their side in this endless battle against the NWO gang.

              Well, I’m here to tell anyone who believes that baloney that they are dead wrong. This woman, at best, can be described as a black nationalist – which is not in my view a bad thing, because I support ethnic/racial nationalism for all races of people.

              In McKinney’s case, if any kind of ethnic conflict were to break out in America – she would be standing with people who look like her, i.e., her fellow blacks.

              Which is the perfectly normal and healthy thing for her to do.

        • Digusted

          Now you know you’re making all this up or you have been watching alex jones again…..

        • Swim Fins Look Good On You

          arizona, I don’t know what you’ve ingested but you need to get yourself to a poison control center. It’s too late to save your brain but you might still be able to walk with help.

        • Sebastion T.

          A.C. Thompson’s reporting on New Orleans and state records indicate fewer than 10 people were murdered by gunfire during Katrina. Having said that, the records were really messed up during the flood and the police essentially gave up policing during Katrina.

        • PO'd Patriot

          arizona, I do believe you need to fabricate a new tin foil hat. Only this time make sure the shiny side is out cause with your last two posts it’s evident that too many negative wave are getting through.

        • maudy fricket

          Buried? They dug a mass grave? Apparently you don’t know anything about the water table there. You can’t dig in south Florida or New Orleans area because the water is right there. Everyone in New Orleans is entombed above ground.

        • Shooty McBang

          AZ, an honest man’s pillow is his peace of mind. If one would like to be taken seriously, one must be serious. Jimminy-Frickin’-Cricket! That’s all.

        • Milo Mindbender

          I was in “Task Force Andrew” and spent 6 weeks on “Ash and Trash ” detail delivering supplies to the huge clamshell shelters set up at Homestead AFB from Miami airport, and hauling loads of debris to the forced air incenerators set up to dispose of household debris as well as broken houses. I never saw, or heard of any mass graves, and traveled all across the region. There were areas we could not take the Humvees, and CuCV’s without getting the stink eye from locals, but I used a mountain bike to run small parts and noone bothered me abouut my buisness. I must call bullshit about the mass graves.

      • cabinfever

        Barn Cat – you are so right about the food stamp scenario…I used to take messages on the phone line for Human Services and there was desperation as clients weren’t going to get their food stamps/EBT etc. because they didn’t fill out something correctly or HS was behind in activating cards. The first week I worked there a guy actually called 911 because he was so upset not getting his EBT card. The police came…man, it’s going to be hell when this all goes down.

      • DianaS

        I was reading testimonies of the people who were taken to the Fema camps from Sandy- after they were first deposited to the “tent” camps w/o water and electricity. If you all recall, the weather was freezing.
        The guards were taking their cell phones when they saw them, and many people said they were actually taken by guard just to go to the bathrooms located elsewhere within the camps.
        Bottom line, they were all kept from making contact on the outside. I wonder where they are now; if they ever took them home.

    3. KY Mom

      It is better to be safe than sorry. We don’t want to end up like this poor woman.

      The gov’t tells us we don’t need guns. Didn’t Janet at DHS say all we need is a good pair of scissors to defend ourselves?

      911 Dispatcher Tells Woman About To Be Sexually Assaulted There Are No Cops To Help Her Due To Budget Cuts…

      This woman was on the telephone with the dispatcher for over 10 minutes – while this man was trying to break into her house.

      She was told, “Sorry, no one is available to come.”

      According to the record, the dispatcher also told her, “Can You Ask Him To Go Away?”

      However, there was an officer available later to come and arrest this man.

      seattle dot cbslocal dot com

      • GV

        Sorry, but I also blame the woman. It is not the job of others to protect her; it is hers. She was attacked and hospitalized by the same man just weeks prior to this rape/attack, so she should have taken responsibility for her own safety and purchased some protection.

        • GSM 1 (sw)

          Finally a ray of light in the darkness!

          Standing by in SC, out!

          • GV

            @ GMS 1

            I am also standing by in SC!

            • 11 Bravo

              Been saying this to folks for years. You must rely on yourself. There are areas of my district that would take me 10-15 minutes to get to at best speed, if we even have the manpower to go.

              • lastmanstanding

                Thanks for that 11 B…most of us have always had the highest respect for law enforcement…until now. There is such uncertainty where they stand.

                In my area, 911 is not even an option. We will be handling it ourselves…with Gods grace we will be on the right side of it.

                Be safe.

            • Barterman

              also standing by in south carolina!

          • PO'd Patriot

            Standing by a heaping pile of fried bacon and hot coffee!

        • Theguy

          Yeah and then she’d be up on a wrongful death / 2nd degree murder charge. This DESPITE the fact no one could show up.

          The sick part is… you know I’m right.

          • Rick:)

            Just make sure LEO gets only your side of the story!

          • Shooty McBang

            If an intruder is attempting to enter your home, get to your bedroom and lock the door. Get your weapon and wait. If you can make your 911 call, by all means, make it. When/if the intruder makes it through your bedroom door, blow them into the afterlife. No jury on this planet will convict you of squat!

    4. Bill

      Glad I live in the sticks.

      • GSM 1 (sw)

        I’m with you brother, it’s 8 miles to the closest place to buy a gallon of milk, but sometimes I still fell like I’m too close.

        Standing by in SC out!

        • fwiw

          Sounds like you need a cow. My Mother-In-Law likes SC.

      • 95lbgermank9

        Im glad I live on a sailboat

        • Kevin2

          You “Living on the hook”?

        • Sallie

          Glad I live in REALITY

          • Mountain Trekker

            Sallie, Is that anywhere near Encampment! Trekker Out.

          • Shootit

            Sallie why are you trolling around Fantasy Land?

            • Jack

              From what I am reading here, this IS fantasy land right here.

    5. Kulafarmer

      Look at Chicago and Detroit, depending on who you ask most residents of these places will tell you TSH already HTF

    6. Rodster

      No Police reinforcements, no ammo for the Police? Don’t worry because that’s where the 2 billion rounds of HP bullets come in along with the Nat’l Guard and the military. 😛

      • Kulafarmer

        Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but that could definitely be the direction that TPTB were going with that, there is NO WAY IN HELL that the LEO from the various urban centers would be able to quell the craziness that could erupt if anything fell apart.
        I seriously doubt that they are worried about us country folks, we gots our own protection, but look at the HUGE cities and surrounding burbs, scarry stuff, at best DHS and LEOs and National Gaurd will be able to contain rather than prevent, military can gain entry with their armor but again the response will be containment, after fighting overseas since 2001 these guys know what to expect in urban areas.

      • Sallie

        And yet ANOTHER genius who thinks that the Country will be locked down and taken over by Police with 40 cal Glocks.

        You just cant make this stuff up.

        How does your thought process work?

        Ya think maybe they might have stockpiled billions of rounds of 308 and 223 instead.

        Y’all are crazy…. crazy as DAISY.

        • Kevin2

          Sallie

          Locked down and taken over? No. Are they preparing for significant to massive social disorder? Absolutely.

          Be concerned about two things. One, the significant to massive social disorder itself and what events will cause it to occur; Second, the governmental response to number one.

          • Sallie

            all with 40 cal Glocks, Kevin?

            Sorry, but no.

            Wake up.

            • Kevin2

              Sallie

              They’re looking at quelling civil disorder, riots, looting and the like. That requires a limited need for armor and heavy weapons that are counter productive to use in your own country essentially upon yourself. In your own country the more you break, the more you have to eventually fix. Police break little but intimidate a lot (especially when an MI Abrams Tank is behind them).

              That 1.2 billion rounds of HP 40 cal is far too much to be practice ammo.

              • Jack

                Gotta say handguns did nothing in LA riots. They sure as hell won’t do anything in total breakdown.

                • Kevin2

                  I gotta say that those law abiding with handguns and ammo stayed alive in the LA riots.

                  The problem is too few law abiding people were armed in the LA riots. The lack of handguns in the proper hands and the abundance of handguns in criminal hands was the problem. A Glock with loaded spare magazines has a lot of defensive power in a riot.

            • Night breaker

              Sally ,
              Remember 40 cal is also used in Gov’t issued MP-5 ‘s ,
              MP-5 is the preferred weapon of DHS QRF .

              Semper Fi 8541

              • yental

                Thank you for addressing the stupidity of .40 “glock” handguns as the primary delivery system that will be used by DHS, etc. Carbine sub machine guns using this ammo will be MORE THAN EFFECTIVE. (Anyone remember the Nazi 9mm “grease-guns” of WWII?)

                Additionally, THEY are stocking 223 and 308 rounds in HIGH numbers as well. Poke “sallie” in the “south pole ignorant asshole”.

          • Kevin2

            In the event of a collapse in relatively short order the prudent in any city / large community will fear the police they don’t know as much or more than the criminals. Think of the current inner city mentality x 10.

            Read Surviving In Argentina.

        • Mountain Trekker

          Sorry Sallie, but you don’t need 308 and 223 when your shooting in the city, cause that’s mostly close range work.40 cal will do just fine going door to door. That wouldn’t be my choice, but hey what do I KNOW. Trekker Out. Keep Your AR500 Body Armor Handy!

        • Shootit

          The weather forecast is for rain. You look outside and it is Sunny so you leave the Umbrella at home. A couple of hours later you are all wet.

          Your closed mind will get you and those close to you killed.

    7. 3n3my of th3 Stat3

      If you hesitate you die …

      lesson to learn here … don’t hesitate don’t wait just go Go GO !

      BE THE FIRST TO BUG OUT TO A PREDETERMINED ‘ BY YOU ‘ SAFE ZONE !

      or be trapped in Sheeple Zombie Hell in miles long traffic jams .

      ;0p

      • P.A. farmer

        3n3m, watched the u-tube vid’s you posted, made it Crystal clear to me what I need to do, and I think I have everything I need right here on the farm, gotta love that..Thank you much…

      • Bill

        I had a 2 minute traffic jam the other day waiting for a flock of turkeys to cross the road. Future dinner 🙂

        • Mountain Trekker

          Bill, What Gettho was you in! Trekker Out.

        • Shootit

          Were you in DC?

    8. anonymous6.8

      Only half in jest I am thinking of putting a steel plate on my brick front porch, with a tiny notice beside the door bell: Visitor, do you see the steel plate you’re standing on? It can be electrified at any moment. Do you see that thick nasty cable leading to it? Are you sure you want to ring my door bell? zzzzzzzzzttt. Time to mosey on down the road.

      Connected to nothing, of course. But they don’t know that.

      • Hammerun

        If you want to slow anybody down from coming thru the doors, do this. Go down to Home Depot and buy 6 or 7 90# bags of dry mix concrete for each door. Wrap them in heavy 6mil plastic sheathing, wrap and secure them with duct tape, for handling without damaging the bags. If somebody unpleasant shows up, stack those puppies up against the doors. It’s impossible for a 200# bad guy to move 600# of concrete via the door. They can shotgun the bolts and hinges but it allows you time to send something equally unpleasant back thru the door. My first choice would be go low and shoot for the feet. That way you avoid body armor and so to say “keep him jumping” or at least on his toes. Think about it, if someone was shot gunning your feet, what would you do? Once he wounded it will take at least two of his accomplices to get him out of there, that is if they give a shit. Depending on the situation/attack you can turn the tide by wounding multiple assailants by diminishing their moral and shifting concern for their buddies and figuring out how the hell, are they going to get them out of there or how are they going to overcome this situation. Dragging their wounded out “is” thought about but it is low on their list, that’s the last thing they want to do. Facing somebody that is intently shooting to wound them is far from their thoughts. This tactic can curb a serious on slot, but be ready to bug the fuck out, or ramp it up once they regroup or get reinforcements, they will come at you hard and fast with lots of force.

        • WA Native

          I wouldn’t mess around trying to “wound” them if you get my drift.

          • yental

            “Wounding” is a proven effective “battle-field tactic”. One of the primary reasons the 5.56 round is still standard issue for OUR troops on the global battlefield.

            The domestic stockpile of “hollow points”…are for YOU and ME. No wounding intended. And even extremity “wounds” with talon hollow points will result in an extremely high percentage of fatality. It doesn’t take long to “bleed-out” in a “no emergency medical care” environment.

            Still not ready to “surrender” on the “London thing”…but am prepared to eat any/all “crow-pie” should a logical, researchable, and “makes sense of the rampant bullsh*t” narrative emerge. I am dedicated…but not stupid and unteachable. These “eyes” are ALWAYS WIDE OPEN.

            Onward through the Fog!

            • kimintn

              hmmm, how about all false flags are evil, but not all evil is a false flag…

              • yental

                I actually do agree…not ALL evil is a false flag. However, MOST evil that affects more than a local market and immediately results in additional “loss of liberty/freedom” on some level and is obviously “agenda driven” has by the very nature of the “event”, a high probability of “hidden motive beyond the reported event”. And frankly, THEY don’t appear to care whether or not it is remotely “hidden” anymore. That bothers me.

                I don’t claim to be perfect, simply scrutinizing the MSM version for personally historical reasons to doubt what is “plastered” all over the “idiot box”.

          • anonymous6.8

            During normal times this falls under my state’s “booby trap” law. If I did this and unintentionally electrocuted somebody’s darling daughter collecting for the high school orchestra, or that hot babe delivering my Fed Ex package … second degree homicide charge, no plea bargain accepted.

            Strict liability … simply doing it would demonstrate actionable intent.

            But waiting for SHTF to do it from scratch … probably run out of time before it was done.

            And if the grid was down it would give Genghis Khan and his Golden Horde a good laugh before they kicked in all my ground floor doors and windows.

            You builders … so long as one leaves a few fire exit openings what is the building code about permanently “bricking over” ground floor windows? Begs the question if they really want to get in badly enough they can cut right through the flimsy subdivision house walls.

          • Tucker

            Back before G. Gordon Liddy turned into a sleazy, Israel ass crack licking neo-con scumbag – during the post Waco slaughter, he was advising his listeners to shoot these jackbooted DEA thugs in the balls, since their body armor didn’t protect their tiny little 2 inch peckers.

            I remember thinking at the time, that a target that small might be pretty hard to hit in a situation where you’re all pumped up with adrenaline.

        • sheptical citizen

          Im in agreement with wounding. Shoot them in the butt and they will scream and holler. If yo see someone else wounded it would scare the crap outa you. It would be demoralizing seeing wonded fellow comrads. I just dont want to take anothers life if there is any other possible avenue.

          • SonOfSam

            I guess you’re a way better marksman than me then… I will always aim for “center mass”.

            Then again, I’m protecting my wife and daughter; the smallest hair on their heads is worth more to me than the life value of whatever useless POS is trying to break into my home.

            That goes for my dog too; the cat is on his own. That’ll teach that daft fucker to meow 8000 times outside my door at 3am

        • sonuvagun

          im more worried about being burned out of my place…

          • Rebelwithaclause

            You can get this gel that is flame retardant and coat heavy on your roof & any other vulnerable spots. Have several commercial fire extinguishers on hand, they can also double as a weapon.

            • The Old Coach

              Hmmm, there’s another advantage to my old fashioned slate roof !

            • Cornholeus

              That’s a load of shit! Barricading the baddies out is a fantasy. You’ll burn or die of smoke inhalation. See: Maginot line.

        • Digusted

          They will lob a grenade through window and you’ll be unable to get out because of the concrete in the way of the door…..

          • Rebelwithaclause

            I’m sure he boarded up his windows when he did the bags of cement. We country hicks got this, we thought of it all.

          • anonymous6.8

            Scotch Guard window security film. 3M invented the product. Banks and jewelry stores use it to deter smash and grabs. One 3M vid on their product site shows a perp breaking in easily enough … with his pick up truck.

            A thrown grenade would probably bounce off. I have no been there’s to guess about what a shot grenade would do. But it is better than nothing.

        • Brum

          And what are you going to place over the single pane glass windows located right next to the door and all around your house in most every room. If you live in a stick house you are screwed, you can not keep a 200 pound man from breaking in if his children are going hungry and he knows you have food in your house. Guns with training, yes. Sacks of cement, no.

          • vicious rodent

            200# ain’t really that big a man.

        • Shootit

          You can secure your door by using a piece of 3/8″ rebar. Bend or cut the rebar to make a 12″ x 8″ rectangle. If you cut the rebar you will need to weld the rectangle together. Then you weld a vertical piece 12″ long that dissects the rectangle. Drill a 7/16″ hole in the floor in front of the door. Install vertical piece into hole in the floor with the rectangle flat against the door. This will keep your door shut until they total destroy door.

          There are many custom modifications that can be made to fit your particular door.

          • $29.95 and your choice of bronze or silver finish - FREE SHIPPING

            Dude, have you ever heard of Amazon?

            • Shootit

              Yes, some of us just love to make our own stuff. This blog is about information on how to survive by your self. Amazon is here today and could be long gone tomorrow. Buy today or build it tomorrow.

            • Shootit

              PS. $4 in parts and a little sweat vs. $29.95

          • ThePresticle

            You can purchase these steel forged “S” shaped heavy-duty plates at Home Depot for .66 cents each. Buy at least two.
            Bolt into brick or concrete (wood- sorry,the bad guys just hatchet and hack into) required bolts and then place trusty 2×4 horizontally between your mounts across your door.
            Just like in medieval times!!

      • Kulafarmer

        Connect it, set the plate on a rubber mat, run one #2 copper or Al wire to a knife switch directly wired to wour main panel lugs, and connect a motor relay to the metal grounded doorbell button, just remember to shut it off when you got friends coming over.

        • Digusted

          You will be electrocuted when you forget to turn it off and the dog pees on it during a trip outdoors…..

          • Kulafarmer

            Who said im going out?

        • Brum

          Hopefully no one will be stupid enough to follow your advice on this.

          • Kulafarmer

            Eh, free country right

        • jen10

          lol I love it. ZZAAAPPPP.

          • Kulafarmer

            At least you get the humor in it!
            :0)

    9. 3n3my of th3 Stat3

      The Truth Comes Out: Former IRS Director Admits Taxes Are Voluntary

      • VRF

        yes , but has he stopped paying? probably not

        plenty of people have tested this..and ended up in jail/prison

        im thinking they didnt get the memo

        • Theguy

          That’s cause not being in jail is also voluntary ^^

          See how circular and pointless this is?

      • Chopulin Colorado

        Of course it’s voluntary, says so right in the 16th amendment! ‘Voluntary Compliance’!

        • High Noon

          Chopulin Colorado:

          16th amendment:

          The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes,from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

          ratified February 3 1913

      • Rebelwithaclause

        Obama mis-quotes our founding forefathers again, well he actually mis-quoted the name,
        JANE MADISON, what a disgrace him and his constitutional law degree, I mean computer generated college degree.

    10. James

      I am a strong believer of bugging in and taking your chances over being a refugee. Unless you have a stocked up retreat, within a reasonable distance, it is best to stay in place. For those who have not done a reasonable amount of preparation don’t come crying to me that you don’t have food, protection, etc.
      Those of us that have made the sacrifices to prepare instead of getting the newest iphone etc, should not be looked down on for having a brain as to all the events that could and are developing around us. God Bless, James

      • Kulafarmer

        What about those of us who prepare AND get the newest iphone as well?
        :0)

        • P.A. farmer

          We’ll just have to call you LUCKY,LUCKY!!

      • arizona

        JAMES,do not forget what the AIR FORCE colonel said,were going to FIRE BOMB ALL CITIES,their won’t be any survivors,we’er going to kill them all…..he wasn’t kidding you know……….

        • Ground Zero

          Stock up on marshmallows NOW! NOW! NOW!

        • James

          I would like to see a reference to that statement because that does seem a bit out there. Not to say it wasn’t said but I would like to know by whom and when.
          But the idea of bugging out all I look at is the traffic jams when a storm is coming. Compare that with a sudden SHTF event, people won’t be going anywhere. Regards, James

        • Anonymous

          Fried Trayvons? New type of ghetto grillin……

          • Nobama

            Goes great with watermellon.

        • Barn Cat

          I don’t think they’re firebomb all cities. I think they’ll firebomb areas of resistance to the new world government a year or so after the collapse.

          • anonymous6.8

            Barn Cat,

            Let’s think this through together. “A year after the resistance?” That presupposes there is still an air force. That somebody is paying those highly skilled pilots. Fuel available. Skilled technicians and parts to maintain those high performance planes. A stock of munitions somewhere. For one thing, if currency collapses world wide, how are those tankers and refineries gonna make that fuel? Of even get it from Texas to wherever, USA?

            Six months or a year into the collapse, guerillas or even a few lone wolves could blow every plane on that base to a gabillion pieces. Or the fuel dump. Or slip into the living quarters and cut that pilot’s throat while he sleeps.

            I too would love to know that colonel’s name. Which publication or web site did he say it on? Because he deserves to go on a list. Ours.

            • Prescott

              Anonymous6.8: You’ve touched on a very important point-fule and everything else that comes into a base via pipes, wires, and roads. These are the Achilles heal of any group-their supply lines. Fule and water are usually pumped in from someplace else, as is the electricty. Cut those and any base will fold. Other item must be driven in such as food and medical supplies. All these are weak points, vulnerable to attack/disruption.

            • Barn Cat

              I believe that the federal government will provide for key personnel in the government and military. They’re preparing not only for the coming economic collapse but for regaining control of the country afterwards.

          • M

            They won’t have too firebomb anything. If the FD is not rolling all it takes is one person to chimp out with some matches and the entire city burns.

        • Walt Kowalski

          @Arizona….

          A link to your source would be nice.

          You make a lot of incredible statements. You should back them up with a credible source.

          • High Noon

            Walt:

            Arizona’s source is in his video games.

            • Walt Kowalski

              Thanks for that input. You are very likely correct! 🙂

    11. GrammyCCH

      Off Topic, but some of you are earthquake experts — what’s your take on the 48 small earthquakes today in Greenville CA? The largest was a 5.7 and felt all the way to Sacramento.

      • arizona

        GRAMMY are you kidding,don’t you KNOW we have a mini-solar system approching from the south of planet earth,NIBIRU,everything you see going on is a result of this mini-solar system,it will be here soon and thats what all the governments of the world are causing shit about,they know its coming and there trying to keep you to busy to notice,BUT YOU BETTER NOTICE cause its going to kill millions on the coasts,watch the weather reports,they can’t get anything right,and NIBIRU is the reason…………..

        • sheptical citizen

          Yes the planet Is experiecing an End of An Age earth altering Pole Shift. Its not the end of the world. Many likely most humans will perish. but humans wont become extinct. The earth changes are not caused by mans activities. They are not caused by mans sin. These events would still be occuring even if man had never walked the planet. the last earth change pole shift happend during the time of the EXIDIOUS. Actually its quite an exciting time to be alive on the earth. Its gonna be quite an adventure jut as well have a positive additude and embrace the coming clatyclisms . nothing you can do about them anyhow and worrying wont help. find a safe place at a high elevation and get away from the coast, river valleys, and low elevaions.

        • Clark K.

          arizona you are a tard. Everyone knows NIBIRU is a bunch of super charged ultraviolet rainbows that were sealed up with Superman when planet Krypton imploded. Stop being such a Margo.

          • Rick:)

            Where does Superman go to change now?

            • yental

              The “ladies restroom”…HE has become a politically correct metro-sexual man of “semi-steel”.

              • Them Guys

                Superman’s been replaced by Super Monky!

      • Walt Kowalski

        I’m no earthquake expert….but those quakes took place pretty close to Mt. Lassen….a volcano that last erupted around 1914-1917 I believe.

        That part of the country has a whole string of volcanoes….from Washington all the way down to Mt. Lassen in CA. Lassen is part of what was once a giant volcano called Tehama.

        The whole area there is volcanic.

        I lived for a while about 5 miles from Mt. Lassen.

        Beautiful country….but I don’t think I’d build a house there.

    12. Anonymous2

      I just rethought the article on 1 Indian framer committing suicide every 30 minutes due to the Monsanto debacle over there and remembered in India people effectively become slaves if they can’t pay their debt. So, has any society ever had a similar arrangement for criminals? Or are criminals not worth anything as workers?

    13. VRF

      Cars, schools and a police station were torched Friday after a fifth night of riots in Stockholm’s immigrant-majority suburbs following the fatal police shooting on Sunday of a 69-year-old wielding a machete.

      By News Wires (text)

      At least nine cars were torched and two schools and a police station were set ablaze as riots swept through Stockholm’s immigrant-dominated suburbs early Friday for the fifth straight night, police and firefighters said.

      The riots, which have shattered Sweden’s image abroad as a peaceful and egalitarian nation, have sparked a debate about the assimilation of immigrants, who make up about 15 percent of the population.
      ..
      muslim immigrants? ( im speculating I dont know, im asking, anyone know?)

      • markinAZ

        My research into this tells me mainly Muslim & North Africans.

        • Kulafarmer

          Hmmm
          Not being racist, but not real surprising, bunch of violent [email protected](:9?}*
          Things to be aware of, hate to generalize, but in some instances if the shoe fits!
          Again, not trying to generalize nor be racist about it.

          • Faith of the fallen

            I try not to be racist as well kula but the fact is I’m more worried about a group of ghetto thugs than a group of white guys. IMO blacks are the most racist and violent prone people I’ve ever witnessed.

            • Kulafarmer

              I hear ya, same here but with different ethnic groups, the native ethnics no prob, they are good, but some of the imports are questionable.

              • Eagle eye

                I met a retired swede engineer the other day. We were both leaning on a jetty having lunch and watching the tide and got talking. He lamented the changes to Sweden that he had seen on his last visit there. He had not been back in a very long time and he said “the place if fucked, there are kafirs everywhere, everything is dirty, it is not safe to walk the street, they have ruined it.

                Funny how we dont get that impression from the MSM.

                • anonymous6.8

                  Eagle eye:

                  One minor quibble. Kafir means unbeliever.

                  “First applied to Meccans who refused submission to Islam, the term implies an active rejection of divine revelation.” The Oxford Dictionary of Islam. “there are kafirs everywhere.” The Swedes, not the Muslims camped out there, would be the kafirs. Not a term a Swede would likely use to describe fellow Swedes. It isn’t the Swedes, but their “guests” who would have ruined it.

                • Eagle eye

                  anonymouse,

                  Kafir was the term he used, personally I don’t like the word. I am assuming he used it to describe the Africans there because he had spent time in Rhodesia in the mining industry.

                  Sorry but I cannot reply to your post directly

              • Tucker

                Might be a good time to discuss what we are going to do with these White race traitors who voted for the current illegal alien from Kenya, should we descend into ethnic warfare.

            • Theguy

              You haven’t hung out with white meth addicted trailer trash. Sadly and stupidly, I have. I’ll match them up in terms of violence against a black gang banger any day.

              • The Old Coach

                But they haven’t made a religion of it . . . .

                • Walt Kowalski

                  Oh…I don’t know about that. Most meth-heads would pretty much sell (or run over) their own mother to get the thing that they love the most in this world…..their next fix. I’d say that if that doesn’t qualify as a religion, I don’t know what does.

                  I don’t know any even really religious people who would do that.

              • Walt Kowalski

                I agree…..criminality seems to be pretty well distributed among all races.

                The common trait among them is the lack of a moral foundation.

                • Them Guys

                  But one muct also consider Temperment when dealing with violent folks or groups. And it seems the worst for short temper violence is hispanics. They act like a schizo by flip flopping between calm and nice, to in meere seconds violent outbursts. Usually brought on simply by some “Macho” minded hispanic male who “Thinks” someone was checking out his fat sister or girlfriend. When the other guy was just gazing at the Clock on a wall Behind the table those hispanics are at.

                  At least blacks and whites usually need provoking to commit violence. Many hispanics will quickly go from calm, to grabbing a broken bottle or some other sharp thing to cut or stab with. Then after a momentary fit of rage and an innocent persons face profusly bleeding, the perp goes back to calm again while apologysing repeadedly for their violent acts. They act that way to Each other! Way more dangerous on avg I think.

        • VRF

          thats what I was thinking

          • VRF

            directed to: markinAZ

        • arizona

          HAHAHA,they wanted foreigners in their country,well now they got em,I talked to a couple on their motorcycle in florida,who were from sweden and they SAID THE IMMIGRANTS were trashing their once wonderful country,hahaha,they did the same thing to america,and now the government is giving them auto-matic weapons to attack with,now america is really in trouble,DHS is giving all the gangs auto weapons,OH,OH,sounds like trouble to me………..

          • Walt Kowalski

            @Arizona….

            Again….a source for your statement please.

            I don’t think much of DHS either, but do you have evidence that they are arming the gangs with automatic weapons?

      • 11 Bravo

        According to my relatives still over there, yes, muslim immigrants from Turkey, Africa, etc.

        • VRF

          thought so..really gives the truth about what we are going to be up against, its already starting here

          • 11 Bravo

            Like most of Europe and here as well, they refuse to assimilate, learn the language or culture, and set up their own sections of a city based on the country they just fled including radical beliefs.

            • Central TX Mom

              @ 11 Bravo, Exactly!!!!! Why the hell do I have to “Press 1” for ENGLISH!!!!!!

              • Rick:)

                You dont. It’s “1” for Spanish, “2” for English. Geesh!

                • Central TX Mom

                  lol, I stand corrected.

        • Rick:)

          Look at the shitholes they’recoming from. Whadya ‘spect,eh?

      • KY Mom

        VRF,

        There have been huge numbers of immigrants (most are Muslim) that have immigrated to Sweden in recent years.
        Many choose not to learn about Swedish history or culture, or join society, but prefer to live in “separate” communities and have large families.

        It is predicted that native Swedes will become a minority in the near future.

        “One recent government study showed up to a third of young people between 16-29 in some of the most deprived areas of Sweden’s big cities neither study nor have a job.

        “Sweden received 43,900 asylum seekers in 2012, a nearly 50 percent jump from 2011 and the second highest on record. Nearly half were from Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia. Many native Swedes worry welfare could become unaffordable if the trend continues.

        Asylum seekers, in the short term, add a fiscal burden on the welfare state. OECD data show foreign-born unemployed rates, at 16 percent, compared with 6 percent for native Swedes. Sweden needs high employment levels to pay for its extensive welfare.”

        Sweden riots expose ugly side of ‘Nordic model’
        ca dot news dot yahoo dot com

          • Them Guys

            NORDIC Model?!! More like Zionist model eh. Look around the globe at all 200 nations. Where Else besides White nations is this Multicultic madness occuring? Nowheres else! If the solution to racisim is Multicultural Immigration? Why are zero such policys enacted in China or Japan etc where 99% are all the same race?

            This is proof #1 as to by Design to destroy whites and eventually Exterminate them all. And by any/all means available. From Kill whteys to get white women to be coal burners and make NON white babies to Make white a Minority voter block. Those who keep waiting for More Proof will soon have it. But then it will be far too late to fix.

        • VRF

          I figured as much, I didnt want to speculate, but it has their MO all over it , dont it?

        • Per

          I live in sweden and i feel. hat the swedes are being treated as crap in favor for the immigrants,always new/more taxation to support our new non working mass.
          Can i get asylum in USA,i want to contribute in society.
          I always have and still buys US made when possible,last week an TOPS .230 and a belt,recommended:-)

          • Rick:)

            No better here Per. Best stay home, and do some housecleaning. By the way, is every White culture in on some kind of a mutual suicide pact? By the time you idiots realize how bad you fucked up, it’ll be too late.

        • Javier

          Just goes to show that multiculturalism is the death of civilized nations.

      • Smokey

        Yes, lots of Turks, Kurds, and North African arabs and West African blacks, nearly all are Muslim. Some Gypsies and such, but not many.

        When any nation’s minorities get to about 15% of the population, troubles begin.

      • PO'd Patriot

        They were a neutral (neutered?) country during WW2 weren’t they? If so, I guess it is still in effect.

    14. braveheart

      Excellent article and nothing I can dispute. I find it very interesting what Lt. Dan said about the “clueless elected officials” in the old Civil Defense manual. I knew the manuals had bad information in them but never knew they were THAT BAD! Although I now have a plan to bug out and a relative’s place to go to with some supplies already stored there, that plan depends on NO EMP OCCURING that could fry the computer in my truck. If the power grid is ta out by EMP or CME, then i’m stuck in the city. I live in the heart of an urban area, in “the belly of the beast”, so to speak. I know my area all too well. The worst elements would be going apeshit in the blink of an eye. it will definitely be a challenge in all of the urban areas. speaking of which, a 2nd break-in attempt was made on my home at 4:00 this morning, but i successfully defeated it with a very powerful LED flashlight in one hand and a handgun in the other hand. This animal even tried to come into the same window as on the previous attempt on 5-18. i made it clear to him what his ultimate fate would be if he didn’t turn around, leave, and never come back. he took my advice to heart and left. When TSHTF in my area, it’s going to be the biggest challenge of my life. It will make all of my previous SHTF experience pale in comparison. But I’m prepared and still prepping all the way to the last minute. Everyone else, you need to do the same. braveheart

      • Kulafarmer

        Braveheart,
        Bummer on the break ins, you must live in a tough area, sounds like S is already to some degree Hing TF!
        Look up pepper balls, they got paintballs filled with pepper spray basicly feed em into a full auto paintball gun along with glow in the dark paintballs and you might be able to tag the perp.
        Just a thought.

      • Anonymous

        You missed your chance….should have let him in and put two in his heart….
        Put a knife in his hand and called the cops…

        1 PROBLEM down……he will eather try again,or rob someone else….

        Never hesitate , your life was in danger!

        Good practice too

        • Smokey

          Do NOT put a knife in his hand, or anything else, or drag them inside, or any of that. When your DNA turns up on it, or the blood spatter doesn’t match up, you are legal toast. He just reached under his shirt when challenged and you thought he had a gun or knife.

          • SonOfSam

            fuck all that, he was breaking into YOUR house! There’s no damned need to plant a knife or any such bullshit: he broke in, you feared for your life, you pulled the rigger until it went click.

            For my money, every time a decent citizen puts down one of these useless POS, he’s not only defending himself, he’s defending the next guy too.

            We are ALL the “next guy”

      • Northeastern prepper

        Bravehart these people don’t know how city folk live everyday is like shtf for us if we’re not dodging low life scum or thugs or drug addicts or the police are sometimes just as bad we’re ready plenty of bullets I will bug in place for a while let them kill each other first and any that come my way will have a bulls eye on their back the only thing that stops me now. Is that the police still answer 911 when that stops working . The decent people won’t hesitate to be judge jury and executioner and rid the city’s of the worthless scum then it will be time to bug out got to be tough to live in a big city were not all sheep ther are a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing !

      • Northeastern prepper

        Bravehart these people don’t know how city folk live everyday is like shtf for us if we’re not dodging low life scum or thugs or drug addicts or the police are sometimes just as bad we’re ready plenty of bullets I will bug in place for a while let them kill each other first and any that come my way will have a bulls eye on their back the only thing that stops me now. Is that the police still answer 911 when that stops working . The decent people won’t hesitate to be judge jury and executioner and rid the city’s of the worthless scum then it will be time to bug out got to be tough to live in a big city were not all sheep ther are a lot of wolves in sheeps clothing !

      • Smokey

        Unless I’m traveling at the SHTF moment, I can generally walk home in 5-8 hours, maybe 20 miles, if the roads are impassable or vehicles don’t work. If it’s SHTF going on, I can cut a lot of it cross-country, fields and farms, and make it in 2 long days, hopefully. Think I’ll toss a box of .44 Special rounds in the rig, though, generally only carry the 6 in the cylinder. Water and boots are always at hand, hat and coat, etc.

        • Walt Kowalski

          Everyone should have a “get home bag” in their vehicle….all the time.

          • PO'd Patriot

            I got one Walt. She usually drives and I sit in the passenger seat with a white knuckle grip on the dash………(I know the ladies on here are gonna burn me for this)

            • Walt Kowalski

              LOL!

        • Paranoid

          You got way to much gun. Was invented for black powder used now to kill Bears. Get a 9 MM, use jacketed HP. Makes 50 cal hole. Will do just as good a job, far more firepower and carry 3 Boxes of ammo, for about the same total wieght.

          • smokey

            Use enough gun, I say.

      • Central TX Mom

        Braveheart, I am sorry to hear about the 2nd attempt. Glad you “repelled with prejudice” & hopefully the intruder learned not to mess with your house. We used to live in Lakeland, just outside of the city limits and a gang (whites-believe it or not) started kicking in doors in broad daylight in our area (the subdivision next to us),killed that guy(you may remember that on the news-about 2-3 yrs ago). Hubby was already here working and I was there with the kids trying to sell the house. No area of that place is safe. When the Kroger in Lakeland got armed guards because of muggings, we were thankful we got the chance to leave.

    15. VRF

      Holder to investigate — Holder

      hahahahahah you cant make this shit up people

      • The

        You can’t make it up, but apparently you can repeat Drudge headlines at the bottom of articles on other sites that have nothing to do with what you’re posting about.

        • VRF

          Dam right smart guy

          • VRF

            Besides its not the only service i provide, stick around,, you’ll see

            • VRF

              Besides, I think yer missing the point..

        • VRF

          And your contribution is?…..

      • Be informed

        @ VRF. Big cities are death traps, the higher the concentration of people in any one area will make survival and keeping your survival supplies that much more difficult. Cities are not meant to support the popualtion without outside aid, paid for or donated to them. Big cities will be the first to fall. By the way IF I see anything to give your family a heads up to an imminent mega quake or even a large one coming to Peru I will try to tell you. Right now after this mega deep focus quake, all bets are off the line for the entire western half of the Pacific. It was that big, and when you have them that deep it affects the entire planet, especially opposite of it, the west coast.

        • VRF

          Appreciaate that BI
          I know the big cities are a death trap, theres just no way they can get out of there..

          Im glad I dont live in that situation

      • Walt Kowalski

        That would have been like having Eichmann investigating allegations of the existence of Nazi death camps.

    16. anonymous6.8

      You malign anarchy.

      Permanent cities having self-perpetuating government of some sort constitute about 2 seconds on the 24 hour clock of human history.

      Humans had family groups, clans or tribes marked by strong leaders, yes, but the point was every freeborn stakeholder had a say. For perhaps the last ten thousand years out of a million years of human life has there been government. Proof is in the pudding … we grew without it. How?

      Anarchy and chaos aren’t the same thing. But it serves tyrants’ interest to conflate the two because there’s nothing that scares a sheep more than being responsible for himself, making his own choices and eating the consequences.

      If you’re intellectually curious you might look at James E. O’Gallagher reviewing
      Gerald Casey’s book Libertarian Anarchy: Against the State,

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig14/ogallagher1.1.1.html

      May 24, LewRockwell.com.

    17. braveheart

      Howdy, KY Mom, I saw that same article at Daily Sheeple.com last night. in those kind of situations we really are on our own. When TSHTF, law and order will totally disappear and vigilantism will be the new order of the day. Do what you consider necessary to keep yourself alive and don’t worry about any potential consequences. That’s part of my plan for surviving mega-SHTF. NOTHING will discourage me from self-defense, PERIOD! braveheart

      • GV

        I saw the article, too, and had to wonder why she didn’t press charges and put him in jail when he beat her so badly she was hospitalized just a few weeks prior to this current attack. And, knowing he’d put her in the hospital before, why she didn’t obtain some protection. This mindset I do not understand AT ALL.

        • arizona

          GV,its called stupid,it can’t be fixed and theres no talking to them…they don’t get it…………..

          • the cooking mom

            It’s not a good mindset, and it takes a long time
            To get out of it too. Don’t judge guys, being an
            Abused wife/girlfriend is extremely difficult mentally
            As well as physically.

            Keep preppin’

          • douseeyet

            Hey arizona, You’re right on the money about K trina and the head s h o t s, heard it through the first hand grapevine. Desperate governments do desperate things be prepped and be wise for all the nasty s h i t is about to hit the fan.

        • Smokey

          Yep, but now we’re expected to spend billions of dollars on additional police presence across the entire country because of folks like this who do nothing to protect themselves.

      • KY Mom

        braveheart,

        I agree … when TSHTF, we are on our own.

        I believe if this woman had a gun and knew how to use it, this assault could have been prevented.

        We need to be responsible for our own protection.

        Take care.
        KY Mom

        • GV

          @ KY Mom,

          I agree with you, but believe our protection is our responsibility NOW, not just when the SHTF. It always has been in this country, and always will be, at least in our family.

          If that woman had protection, and knew how to use it, it’s likely that the first attack several weeks ago would’ve landed the perp in the hospital (instead of her) or the morgue; and no second attack would’ve taken place.

          • KY Mom

            GV,

            I agree.

            If someone is trying to break into your house and attack you…I would say the SHTF NOW.

            When the tornado hit here last year, we had a glimpse of how some people would “take advantage” of the situation. There were reports of stealing and ‘attempted’ stealing.

            It is common knowledge that most people here have guns and know how to use them.

        • GV

          I also think people like this woman may be the worst converts to pro-second amendment. If she does arm, she’ll likely get a gun out of fear, frustration, and extreme anger; as opposed to calmly understanding the principles of liberty and her responsibility at protecting her own life.

        • Kevin2

          KY Mom

          We are responsible for our own protection. Those that choose to subcontract that responsibility are willing to take the risk that their subcontractor will either never be needed or instantly available if so. The failure of the subcontractor to provide safety often converts them to accept greater responsibility for it. As they say, “A conservative is a liberal who got mugged”. Some just cant accept the thought that they must defend themselves. I’m puzzled how any amount of peer pressure, social conditioning or other influence can alter a basic instinct inherent in all living creatures.

    18. Eisenkreuz

      Can I connect a PC to a router through a USB?

      • VRF

        Um, yes..but why?

        • ShopMaster 4000

          Try a band saw first. Routers can bind and kick sometimes.

      • Anonymous

        No…you need a network card on yer PC

      • Digusted

        No, don’t do it…… It may explode and shrapnel will surely tear through your guts and you will die a slow painful abdominal gas passing death……

      • Walt Kowalski

        @Eisenkreuz…..

        You can if you have a “USB to ethernet” adapter.

    19. incognito

      Not sure how the title and the story correspond. Perhaps Cities Will Collapse Even FASTER Than We Fear would be a more appropriate title. Nothing in the article references when they will collapse; only the possibility that the rate of degradation and spread of chaos will be faster than commonly perceived once it begins.

      I for one don’t really care because what I believe is just over the horizon is much much worse than most seem to be willing or able to contemplate. In other words no amount of prepping can prepare for it unless you have an interstellar BOL.

      Hold your loved ones close and live everyday like it’s your last. Smile more, joke often, hold a child’s hand, help out a stranger and think about how infinitesimal the chances are that you would be there looking out from behind those eyes.

      • Theguy

        You don’t need an interstellar BOL.

        You need a BOAT. A big one. The kind with beds in it and all that crap. Preferrably sail powered. And a lot of fishing gear, and a floating solar water distiller.

        Close enough man. Anyone with the $ and an ocean nearby… I’d consider this the #1 prep item. I lack the money sadly.

        It’s like getting lost in an area the size of Russia and China combined.

        Others will have the same idea but what are we talking about… a population of 100,000 in an area that size?

        • Port St. Lucie

          One word – PIRATES. Just look at Somalia coast.

    20. Two Buckets

      Its a tough call for those who have elderly parents & abandonement to the country is not an option rather it is a time for genuine family (that if there is any) togetherness & then defend like your life & others depend on you because in truth they will. It may help somewhat put a few signs on poles SNIPER AT WORK

    21. incognito

      GET OUT OF THE CITIES NOW

    22. 11 Bravo

      Not sure how bad it will be in my patrol area. The area I cover transitions from suburbs of a large city and dwindles to wide open farm land. I think the denser populated area could get kinda hairy while the subdivision middle income areas will be shell shocked and panicky, out to the farms, which will be armed to the teeth, and just watching.

      I think Lt Dan is dead on in his assessment, as long as it’s not to bad, we are getting paid, and our own homestead is not under real danger, we’ll be at work….maybe.

      • Shootit

        Good assessment. I will be watching.

    23. Faith of the fallen

      Like I have said previously, human nature can go primitively evil quick. Whenever people ask what a SHTF scenario would be like I always say what would you do to feed your family and friends? Now multiply by 330 million and that’s what it’ll be like. I see it on a regular basis traveling to major cities. It is borderline lawless on a good day. If you are in a metro area form a group of neighbors because unfortunately in a gladiatorial setting the best equipped and prepared gang triumphs.

    24. Two Buckets

      Did any of you ever consider where as 1000’s will be trying to get out of the hell hole cities some will be trying to get in for the action & personal satisfaction in bagging a few thug lifers. One never knows you might get country folk giving up on hunting moose & heading into the concrete jungle to hunt two legged beasts

      • incognito

        Good point Two Buckets. Hard to imagine that some will be looking at you or your family as their next meal. Zombie Apocalypse anyone?

        • Two Buckets

          Those rapper thugs love to show their gold dentures when they spew out their verbal garbage, when gold hits $8000 a fortune could be made harvesting gold dentures with a pair of pliers

      • Walt Kowalski

        Ever see the movie, “The Road”?

    25. Be informed

      I am trying to do this as fast as possible just in case. Another earthquake on the Mid Atlanic Ridge this time, just less than a hour ago. Did the checking and found out that this exact spot 9 days later Northern British Columbia/ Alaska was hit with that 7.5 in the early part of the year. Here is something else, back on November 13, 2006 a quake happened here and 2 days later the Kuril Islands was hit with a 8.3. Back in 1977 Santa Cruz was hit with a 7.6 after this exact region was hit. 90% of the time a major earthquake follows, sometimes very large.

      Mexico was again a target before and so was South American, this makes 23 out of 25 times in the past 7 weeks. The area between Mexico to central Chile is so ready to break. This earthquake today shows just a little more evidence of that. Will calculate the new target zones as another precursor quake or two hits.

      • 11 Bravo

        So what are you thinking we should be looking for that will correspond with the quakes the past week or two ?

        • Digusted

          I definitely would be hiding under the bed at this point… It may come at anytime, who knows?,… and you wouldn’t want to be caught out in the open in just your underwear…..

          • durango kidd

            Go Commando!

      • Kulafarmer

        I keep expecting to hear the tsunami warning sirens start to go off, probly be in the middle of the night next time, and wont be a false alarm.

    26. Kevin2

      One again Camden NJ one of the most forward looking city’s in the US is ahead of the curve.

    27. Theguy

      I would suggest that if your internet takes a crap, and so does your neigbor’s… and many of the TV stations are down… may as well assume it’s on and run.

      I’d wait for the TV stations to go plop… the internet thing could just be a downed server in your area.

      That said the drones thing is looking… like it grudgingly makes more sense to me. Grudgingly. Criminals believe their’s no LEO’s but you publicise “death from above” it’s going to give them serious pause.

      How you do this without basically saying everyone’s subject to it at any given moment even in peace time is beyond me though.

    28. braveheart

      Kula, thanks for the tip, but i’ll be using hot lead. I don’t want them to be a threat to anyone else. braveheart

    29. Tree Climbing Patriot

      Glad I live in the sticks with my 30-06.

      Standing by in OH,

      T.C.P

    30. PenCRNA

      @BI…..did you see the post on daily sheeple about possible plate fracture and rumored evacuation of dignitaries from San Fran?

      Any insight? Know you’re busy right now. No rush

    31. Canadian Vet

      A friend of mine once told me no matter how “advanced” or “enlightened”, civilization is only 3 meals deep.

      Probably one of the smartest things I was ever told.

      • VRF

        read the last line in the story

        hows that union force working out for you?

        • 11 Bravo

          If you were commenting on me, guess I kinda glossed over the last sentence….trying to read and type with a 5 yr old granddaughter using me for a jungle gym isn’t working to well…..unsure on the union force comment….

          • VRF

            No sir I wasnt..but as far as the union force comment goes..the cops are all unionized..thats why yhey can break the law and sometimes still keep their jobs or pensions

      • another jim

        35 year old 10 year on job $118,000 a year and he burns his bosses house down and
        is suspended WITH pay ..only in New Jersey. Charged with 5 counts of attempted
        Murder and Arson.

    32. BigB

      Hi BI, the 5.7 was about 125 miles NE of me. Truth be told I was flying the couch and did not feel it but wife sitting in baracalounger did and made comment that we had just had an earthquake. I looked and the blinds were swinging.

      So my question to you is with the 8.3 in Russia hours later what do you think this has done to the San Andreas which I do worry very mush about?

      BigB

    33. JRS

      anarchy? Perhaps the original definition of the Greek word should be looked up instead of MSM western world definitions. It has nothing to do with violence and more to do with an absence of “control minded” police forces. The people have been brainwashed that police are “heros” since they were young tykes. Lt. Dan, I’m sure, accepts this definition of himself (along with his pension) as he has been taught the same thing. That said, I’m sad to hear he would desert his post if his “pay” was not forthcoming or if things got too “hairy” for him. What kind of hero are you Lt. Dan?

      • Anonymous

        He never said he was a hero. He is there to do his job. Job for pay just like everywhere else.

        • JRS

          You know, I’m tired of hearing about LEO just “doing their job for their pay”. I thought y’all were believers in the big bad CONSTITUTION. Fact is, NOWHERE in the Constitution is a civilian police force mentioned. Whatever is not mandated as a function of government is therefore Constitutionally invalid. Read the piece of paper. Police Oathkeepers are only fooling themselves and you as to them being some sort of Constitutionally legitimate organization. They are merely a function of parasitic government that has perverted the Bill of Rights to suit their own power and defend themselves. Police are not here to defend the common man…only to make them follow corporate government “laws”. Learn to defend yourself and not be a pawn to government thugs. You are blind if you can’t see whose orders LEO follows after the incident in Boston. You will end up in a FEMA camp or dead if it is up to the police. But you will be fist pumping “USA…USA” all the way to your death.

      • AnitaSweater

        Wow! That’s a really old story. (2011) Wonder why it’s surfacing again.

    34. anonymous

      Islam & meat cleavers. Who’s going to get it?

      • Shootit

        When are they going to get it? When is everyone going to wake up? When are we going to do something about it?

        New short story, very short.

        “Meat Cleaver meets Christian with Gun”

        • Walt Kowalski

          Never take a knife to a gun fight.

          • Two Buckets

            Or can crumple meat cleaver muhammadan right where he stands with an ASP baton

    35. Singer

      I want to mention one tiny little detail that I often see in these articles. You said,”…they were starting to starve…” It takes about 30 days to starve. Don’t you mean, “…they were starting to get hungry..”? People will riot long before they are actually beginning to starve. Starving is serious, being hungry is not necessarily serious, but people will still begin to behave badly.

      I recommend that preppers regularly fast to be accustomed to what it feels like to go without food for a few days. Begin by skipping a meal, then go a day, then a couple of days. Do it at least once or twice a year. It’s not that big of a deal if you are used to it. Obviously, certain medical conditions make it unwise to fast, but most people can do it safely. It’s even good for you!

      • GV

        I also HIGHLY recommend fasting. I’ve been doing it regularly for decades. Longest fast: 42 days in 2011; but shorter fasts of around 5-10 days are my most common.

        Because of this, I have zero fear of being without food for extended periods (although I won’t have to worry about that much with preps/gardening/trees).

        What I do have is an almost fanatical system for having plenty of pure water.

        IMHO, pure water is THE most important thing when the SHTF. Without it, not much else will matter.

    36. LSB

      I know for a fact that Lt Dan is far from alone in his plans for breakdown. There are still lots of good cops, at least in some smaller towns. I overheard a conversation between a few of them a few years ago. That was their take on the situation. I would hate for any of those men to feel they had to commit suicide trying to protect people who should have gotten their own protection when it was easy to buy. Now to change the subject…people have absolutely no idea what it will be like without utilities. We have just survived our first year off grid. The couple of winter months that were the coldest almost did our marriage in. Frozen up water line, frozen sewer line. My husband was almost glassy-eyed after listening to me say over and over “I told you that you should have put heat tape on the water and sewer lines”. We survived tho. By the way, save all of those plastic grocery bags. The dollar store ones have more holes than the ones from Target. The solids go in the woodstove and the liquids go to the compost pile. What doesn’t kill will probably make you stronger or smarter…

    37. Brad

      What makes you think cities will collapse anyway?

      • Walt Kowalski

        @Brad

        Do some research and get back to us.

        Thanks for playing.

        • Brad

          Well that proves it.

          • Walt Kowalski

            It’s about as much of a reply as you are going to get.

            If you want to participate here, try doing a little research BEFORE you post. We aren’t going to do your homework for you.

            On the other hand….you can feel free to continue walking around with your head up your backside, and living with your terminal case of normalcy bias.

            Perhaps sites like this aren’t where you want to be.

            I know…..maybe you can watch American Idol. 🙂

            • Kulafarmer

              AMEN Brother!
              Ignorance is bliss, and i guess some folks cant even see the obvious.

    38. CWinOR

      Having grown up in the same neighborhood of So. Central L.A where the riots erupted- I think it would be a matter of MINUTES from the time the gangbangers and other criminals there found out there was no/insufficient LE presence/response to the time SHTF. I think realistically, you’d see major intersections shut down within 30 minutes. If you didn’t get out at the VERY first sign of trouble- all you could do is hunker down. Very likely- you’d never even make it to the freeway.

      • Walt Kowalski

        Check out what happened with the LA Riots in 1992.

        It went downhill real fast.

        When it started to come apart…the police retreated. Can’t blame them really….they were outnumbered and were concerned that a swift, firm response to the initial violence would escalate the situation.

        Were they right? I don’t know. We could argue about that all day.

        Point is…..it happened real fast…in different locations throughout the city (particularly in minority neighborhoods)

        Multiply that by a couple dozen cities all over the country, and you’ve got a SHTF situation without doubt.

        • Walt Kowalski

          Another thought…

          I would argue that most of the major cities in this country are a lot more volatile now than LA was then.

    39. kimintn

      hey mac, can you plz move the daily sheeple story about the people leaving cali due to earthquakes over to this site so we can have a thread for BI and JOG this week-end?

      • Be informed

        @ kimintn. Really watch that Mid Atlantic Ridge, that is likely waht is going to go off before the New Madrid fails. It took a little longer, by a week or so, but the earthquakes on the New Madrid are on schedule after that region between 14 and 20 north had that activity. Another region of course to watch is the Caribbean plate, this goes off, 7.5+, anywhere east to north and the New Madrid is in trouble. There is definite danger for the next 15 days, perhaps longer depending on the action on the plate boundaries, or other event such as volcanic activity.

        • Brad

          Are you a geologist?

          • Rick:)

            Are you new?

          • Jesus Christ is Son of God

            Brad: “Are you a geologist?”

            BI: “No. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.” 🙂

        • kimintn

          @ Bl thanks once again for all the work you put into the quakes 🙂

        • Norse Prepper

          BI, thank you for the research and info friend!

          God bless ya this Memorial Day Weekend!
          NP

    40. Steve

      Mr Spero’s statement at the end of this informative article,”one more unsettling thought” can be solved
      with a scanner or VHF/UHF transceiver. Program in your local EOC and 2-meter repeater frequencies and also scan for simplex (non repeater)operation.
      In the past, I’ve found Ham’s to be operating right through a hurricane. And you don’t need a ham licence to own this type of equipment.

    41. Luther

      This article should be a major reminder that we need a plan, practice your plan then revise as needed.

      I’m sure many think they’ll hop in the bug out vehicle and drive, question, will you be in a caravan with 3 vehicles plus? You should, do you know your terrain along the way? Do you know if any what bridges you’ll cross? Have you physically walked the bridge to see if it could be used for ambushes against you?

      Do you know the hill tops? What if you drive up and then see an ambush/road block.

      In other words, “Do You Really Know Your Escape Route”?
      Is your plan to have a scout car and rear guard vehicle all with comms, the scout car recons and Danger Points.

      So do you have a plan?

    42. 155th

      What is sickening and disheartening is that not a single person is paying attention to what is actually going to happen, it is literally right in front on everyone’s face, and everyone is worried about oh government going to do this, blah blah, look up, well try and look past the chem trails. But where I live, in a remote perfect location to see it, is a planet that is ten times bigger then the sun right in front of every single one of you. That “asteroid” is its moon and they are not going to be able to hide it with chem trails for much longer. Look up and you will see what is really happening. Everyone is so distracted but with a week left, their plan succeeded but know it to late to prepare for what is really going to happen.

      • JImb

        Ok, what is going to happen and when?

      • Anonymous

        Please be more specific and tell us exactly what is really going to happen. Stop acting like you got some kind of secret and are so smart because you are the only one that knows. Tell us now, what is REALLY going to happen.

      • Brad

        If it is ten times bigger than the sun it would be a star, like our sun, and it would have already started changing our orbit.

    43. Be informed

      First of all BigB, I am surprised you did not feel that quake of 8.3, at that depth it should be felt out to about 6000 miles, as they felt it in Moscow and other european locations. The 8.3 did much to the crust, but even more so was the cause of it, that is what everyone should be very alarmed over. This cause will put on the west coast from Chile to Alaska’s Aleutian Islands at much higher risk. That earthquake today on the southern Mid Atlantic Ridge lead to a massive 8.3 in the Kuril Islands in 2006, and the Alaska/Canada quake of 7.5 in January of this year. Yes the west coast is in danger until 15 days from now, June 8, or extended if more precursor quakes occur.

      @ PenCRNA. I saw this, and do I agree? Maybe. The 5.7 did nothing to any crust, but to me indicates some volcanic activity brewing, and some strees indications on the southern Juan de Fuca plate and northern San Andreas. Fractures would come from the causes of what is going on within the Pacific plate and North American plate, and event the Asain plate. As I said to BigB above, there is still strong signs that this is not over. More precursor quakes will tell what is going to happen next.

      @ 11 Bravo. This is why I have been desperately trying to warn the people here that might be in danger or their families in danger. This started on May 10, and I gave a warning of earthquakes to come by May 25, which happened yesterday and early today. As these quakes continue to swarm the southern plate borders with the Antarctica, it was obvious to me what was coming. This quake today indicates that a major quake is still coming after this. I have never seen such acitivity on some many different plate boundaries, it means that there is some serious plate crustal movements.

      This is the issue, the two large quakes north of the Cascadia fault should have caused it to go off months ago. The only reason it did not is because there is that much pressure on it right now, 9+. I have longed thought that a quake on the southern portion will help trigger it. This 5.7 is no way large enough, but a 7.5 in that area south of the Cacadia is, even a high 6 to low 7 could. The Cascadia fault could just finally just fail without any push it over the edge. The San Andreas, south to north is the same, but it is more likely to have something large trigger it.

      I have been checking the earthquake map all day today. I have noticed that in the past several days that the New Madrid fault has finally become active from the Mid Atlantic Ridge’s quakes on the junction point a few weeks ago. IT ALWAYS DOES AFTER EARTHQUAKES AT BETWEEN 14-20 DEGREES NORTH ON THE MID ATALNTIC RIDGE. Yes something horrible is coming, more earthquakes should tell where.

      • 11 Bravo

        wow….

    44. BigB

      Thank you very much (mush,lol) BI. On high alert. If it wasn’t for the business and presiding over a few June weddings we would be taking a trip East for the next month. But on the other hand this is what we prep for isn’t it?

      BigB

    45. Butterknife

      Talked to a SWAT member in my church once many moons ago sometime after the Rodney King riots, he mentioned having extra training on his schedule, when I asked why he replied it was in case of large scale rioting like the King riots, seems the he was under the impression that if it occurred again they would go in and shoot everyone who did not take them seriously in the effort to restore order.

      • Rebelwithaclause

        He sounds like a real hypocrit, he goes to church but can disobey a commandment thou shall not murder. If you are not defending you and your families life, then it’s murder.

        • anonymous6.8

          Rebel,

          You must have had a brain fart. We understand. It’s happened to the best of us.

          It’s never { murder } when the government does it. Any costumed tax parasite can gun down any of us anywhere for any reason or no reason at all. The .LE and prosecutorial hirelings will always call it “justifiable.”

          All they have to do is bleat “officer safety” and case is closed.

          The tyrant being the cowardly shit stains they are, will never put their own lives on the line. They need people willing to go on their payroll to defend them because in any contest between a mundane and the tyrant we are always wrong. (sic)

          Must uphold that illusion of their “authority” no matter how many of us are murdered in the process.

    46. braveheart

      If an EMP fries the computer on my truck, I’ll have no choice but to bug in. I’m trying to improve the “defenses” on my humble abode after 2 attempted break-ins in less than a week. Like BI said earlier, something really serious is coming down the road. I may have to sleep with both pistol and rifle at my bedside now. braveheart

      • Anonymous

        Get you an old pickup. Fix everything about it but the looks. You’ll have a reliable ride that no one will want to steal. That’s what I have done. Mine has peeling paint and rust, but all the mechanical parts have been repaired and/or replaced in the past year.

      • Archivist

        You need to get an old pickup that’s immune to EMP. Fix everything about it but the way it looks so no one will steal it. That’s what I have done.

      • possee

        Braveheart

        Always keep your “companions” by your side!

        Consider them your version of American Express..

        Never leave home without them.

        In fact, never leave them alone.

        possee

    47. Nehweh Gahnin

      I agree with the main premise of this piece, and I accept that violence and desperation will be the order of the day very soon after SHTF. However, I do have a couple of points to contest.

      First, to equate violence with anarchism is uninformed and misguided. When anarchists do engage in violence in protests, it is intentional, and intended to disrupt and to cause harm to the existing structure. Cops tend to be bought into the system heavily, and anarchists not at all. That ideological split results in cops simply not having any real conception of the tenets of anarchism. In a SHTF scenario, a more accurate and common exemplar of anarchist action is what we saw in the aftermath of hurricane Sandy. Those Occupy folks and many anarchists actually organized and worked to alleviate the shortages and social disruptions after the storm; the cops were often absent. Misunderstanding what anarchism is might be a grave error when the SHTF.

      My second point is that bugging out should never, IMO, be a snap or ad hoc decision. If you are aware of what the conditions will be in your neighborhood when the SHTF, then by all means, plan ahead. But many people, even in some urban areas, intend to stay put for awhile. That decision must be made on a case-by-case basis, intelligently, calmly, and in advance.

      • Walt Kowalski

        @Nehweh Gahnin….

        I think that if you were to talk to most of these folks who refer to themselves as “anarchists”….who engage in the violent protests….what you would find is that they are actually extreme leftists.

        Ask them what they want to replace the current government with, and they will answer with some form of government that involves taking the property of the “rich” and redistributing it to everyone else.

        They are just another bunch of Bolsheviks. No more. No less.

      • TTC

        n]\NEW-ah,or whatever;
        what you just described, Sounds like
        what Is happening in ,damn, was it NorWay?
        IDFK- but to say, Thanx for Food 4 Thought
        🙂

    48. 155th

      Back in 1644 to 1628 BC the earth went through the same thing, 1625 starting the worse of it until 1628 BC it died out, previous would be 5200 bc etc etc, that time period now is 2000 to 2016, 2013 being the worse, June 2013 will be the start of the big finale, 1/3 of the population boom gone, then so on and so on. It’s history, and history repeats itself. It’s not a secret either, try and look past the chemtrails and you will see it, our sun has a binary sun with its own orbiting planets with moons, actually every solar system has a binary solar system. The preliminary is earthquakes, volcanos, tornados etc etc, same as 1644 to 1628 BC, 5200 BC 8000 BC and so on. Same time table, after the preliminary, when the people figure it out is social and economic collapse following then massive disease and famine, same as each other time frame, same exact pattern, same exact formation and same exact events. People call it nibiru, Planet X but NASA calls it ISON, it appears as a comet but it is not, it is extremely magnetic giving it the appearance of the comet, notice how the moon has been setting really early then staying really late the next night? The earthquakes? Our earth is rocking back and forth and this will cause a pole shift and the next ice age, which happens every 7000 years, every other time period rotation, all of the northern hemisphere will be a ice land. Go ahead and call me crazy but look all around, the dead fish by the millions? The plates are moving causing methane gas to be released from the sea floor. But now it is too late, once this 1998 qe2 comes the planet will be so huge and in our face that they can’t cover it up anymore, causing the next stage, panic to social unrest. Then the stores will clean out, water will stop flowing then the next stage, famine and disease.

      • Barn Cat

        That’s a bunch of crap.

        • 155th

          Actually. No, it’s not, their is plenty of proof to everything I just said, including the literal in your face evidence in the sky.

          • 155th

            And one more tid but of information, each “book of life” ” testament” “bible” was written after these time periods. King James Bible 1611 BC, a decade and a half after the last rotation. Old Testament, 5189 BC, a couple years after the 5200 BC rotation, Adam and Eve etc etc.

            • 155th

              And the King James Bible took 15 years to write, lines right up to 1628 BC, hmmm just not related though huh?

          • Walt Kowalski

            Waiting for some kind of support evidence besides your personal observations.

            • Rick:)

              Walt, more tid buts should by coming.

      • 11 Bravo

        1/3 ????

        Hopefully my ex, and the guy she was “f-ing” that knocked her up……as long as I can rescue my dogs…

      • Walt Kowalski

        There’s something about this guy that still bothers me.

        I really am concerned that he may be some kind of tool of the elites to try to foment some kind of action that will give them cause for a “non-proportional response”.

        • BigB

          I don’t know if this is a trick or not but since I live in the Sacramento area I am going to check it out. If there are others down there I should be able to spot them. Plus I know a guy who is 2nd in command of a militia who will know if they are going to support it. I also have contact / am a member of 2 veterans clubs and will see what if anything is shaking down there.

          BigB

    49. Per

      Have you noticed the massive riots in sweden,due to our wellfare system has been exploited for years.
      Authorities have lost all control,sweden sucks and we have the highest rate of gangrapes in the whole world,poor women:-(

      • 11 Bravo

        Hope you all get things straightened out…..I still have family there…

    50. 155th

      With all that being said, anyone ever WHY the Egyptians just disappeared? The Mayans, Sumerians? The Babylonians? As if they were wiped out, look up the time table, then compare it to what I just said

      • High Noon

        155th
        I just looked at a map. “Egyptians”, are still there. Do you write for science fiction stories???? What do you offer that makes any sense???

      • Paranoid

        Hate to say it but nobody told the Egyptians they had disappeared. They think they are still there.

        • 155th

          Okay maybe the Egyptian country and modern people but the ancient civilization was wiped out.

          • Paranoid

            By the Romans; ask Cleo. No surprise there. It lasted almost 4,000 years. You expect nothing to change? All the Civ. you list, except the Mayans, we know what did them in and we are finding out about them. No magic, just someone with a bigger spear.

      • Archivist

        You have a very loose grasp on history. If you are 155th, who are the other 154?

        • kimintn

          every class has a goat.

      • Walt Kowalski

        The Egyptians didn’t disappear. Their empire just declined…as did the Babylonians…and the Mayans.

        Empires decline….and “disappear” over time.

        Would you say that the Romans “disappeared”?

    51. Barn Cat

      I think in most areas people will die of thirst and from drinking bad water before they starve. Think of how large a city is, how many people there are, and how many sources of clean fresh water exist there. Now if you live in Chicago you can probably drink Lake Michigan water and not get sick but if you live on the coast or in the south west, drinking water will become a serious issue very quickly.

      • Kevin2

        I’m of the mindset of economic collapse. Polar Shits, Space Rock impact, Nuclear War and the like is schools out.

        Why would major cities loose water? I can see the food chain being disrupted but not a complete loss of power and water. If that happens WWIII is here, guaranteed.

        • Paranoid

          Not sure water and power will fail quickly, but the issue is, complex failure, If you have a thousand blacksmiths making horseshoes, one gets shot by his wife’s boy friend, no one notices any effect on horseshoe production. You have one huge machine that makes all the shoes, it fails for any reason , No shoes. Large cities have very interconnected water and power systems. They take hundreds of people to keep them up. You burn down a thousand houses, unless someone shuts off the water and power, the system will fail. It cannot stand the leaks and shorts.
          Most places have only a few hours of stored, pressuresed water. People open a few fire hydrents, either repair people are there or the water isn’t. If the police stop going in, the W&P people aren’t going in either. Nor are the food trucks. It is Hell in 24 hours.

          • Kevin2

            I guess sufficient civil disorder in a city can cascade under the circumstances you describe. I’m assuming parts of a city would loose services but it would be contained. I can only see a complete loss in multiple cities in the event of global war, space rock impact and the like.

            Actually I dislike cities even in the best of times.

            • Paranoid

              K2: Have you been a major city lately? If not you don’t know how close to Chaos they are, Was in NY last fall LA 2 weeks ago. There are Interstate exits it’s death to get off on, after dark, and that’s no exaggeration. There are gas stations built like banks, armed guards and the person taking money is armed and behind 3 inches of plastic. These places cover square miles, they will run out of food in a few hours. The stores have fences inside to permit only one way movement and the clerk has a gun and watches you till you pay and go out past a turnstile.

        • Barn Cat

          You lose power due to hyperinflation. People can’t pay their $1,000 or $10,000 or $100,000 electric bills. Once most people can’t pay their bills the grid will shut down because the utilities don’t have the money to buy fuel. Public water shuts down for the same reason.

    52. akvalmet30

      It was mentioned earlier about racial genocide NOT being tolerated on a certain person’s watch, and I feel it necessary to remind everyone here that Zionist Jews ran the National Socialist party then….and now, killing Christian Jews and everyone alike that disagreed with their Satanic agenda. Hitler was just a pawn, like most every President you know of, a patsy at best. About our prisoners behind bars, I have heard everything from execution plans to just letting them go completely due to lack of money to house them. Lock and load, fun times ahead. P.S. Just tell everyone who hates white people that genocide is wrong, you have been brainwashed into loving them, NOT the other way around.

      • Barn Cat

        I don’t know where you got those lies but they come from Satan, Islam, or Naziism. As if there’s a difference. I can’t believe that you got any thumbs up over that.

    53. Ugly

      The Rider of the White Horse has arrived. The Fiery Red one is to follow very soon….

      The Earth is about to collapse financially.

      The Have-nots will go after the Haves.

      Hatred is filling the planet.

      There are no Peace-Makers. There are no Problem Solvers. The Day spoken long ago is here. Best to enjoy today and be ready for that very ugly, near future.

      • Gonetoolong

        I agree that things make no sense on so many fronts these days. I mean I can’t watch the damn news without seeing that humans have lost their damn minds everywhere. I think this is what is making so many people throw their hands up with frustration. Lawlessness and circus atmosphere in Washington. These people are a joke on both sides of the aisle. Nothing will change and a buffoon is lying his ass off and the citizens stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Something is way fucked up. Is it possible that Earth movements, solar, planetary shifts etc. are screwing with peoples minds? I can’t make any sense of it. Maybe it is just the combination of life cycles and human stupidity. We can’t go on indefinitely breaking nature’s laws.

        • AnitaSweater

          Gonetoolong? Ever heard of chemtrails? If they have consistently poisoned the air, the food and the water how long before everyone is completely insane? No mystery here.

          • Barn Cat

            Chemtrails are a complete fraud. Nothing is being poisoned.

            • AnitaSweater

              Barn Cat? I suggest you do a little research and find out what exactly is going on.

      • Bimbam

        The 4 horsemen are about to ride across America. And they are not John Wayne, Gary Cooper, Alan Ladd, or Clint Eastwood riding them.

        YOU have been warned America!!!

    54. Peter Parker

      The cities will be hell on earth. And then hell will leave the cities and start fanning out in search of everything. These hell on earth survivors will be ruthless, without a shed of human decency and mercy. Be prepared for the Hell spawn. I suspect many have not thought this thru. If you are buggin in due to your outside the city location, have you thought thru how you will respond to this Hell spawn? Seriously, you must send your family to a nearby safe BOL, where you can later reunite. In defending your homestead, I’m confident you will defeat the Hell spawn. At the very least, I’m sure you’ll take down many of them. However, if you are wounded or killed, do you want your home overrun with the Hell spawn with your family at home? Plan, Prepare, Prevail!

      • Gonetoolong

        The old adage is safety in numbers. You had better be able to get along with like-minded others. If lone wolf, you had better be damn good and prepare to lose family members. It won’t be like a Die Hard movie where the good guys go home at the end.

        • Barn Cat

          You need at least two people in your house who can use a gun and take turns staying awake 24/7.

      • anonymous6.8

        Peter,

        Every city and every suburb is different. One would err greatly to generalize. I expect that dehydration, hunger, epidemic and homicide will cull the vast majority of potential Hell Spawn. Give it a month or six weeks and most of those hellions will be feral dog food. Someone who is starving, has lost 25 percent of his body weight and strength, risks being ambushed every few hundred yards, is going to get 29 miles out here and threaten me? Possible but not too bloody likely.

        I’m more worried about rogue LE or local .mil who would have the logistics and training to be very effective SHTF raiders in addition to / instead of their assigned roles.

      • Faith of the fallen

        The hell spawn don’t stand a chance around my neck of the woods. My community is tight knit with combat vets galore. I myself am a OIF vet from 1st CAV. 19 Delta, where my scouts at! I never went thru sniper school but was squad designated marksman. We’re suited and booted with all kinds of nasties if need be (thanks to my Sapper neighbor)

    55. Seen

      “In an earlier post we suggested that cities will decay into violent anarchistic morasses within a week or two. In that article we were deliberately trying to look at a ‘best case scenario’ (don’t laugh – the collapse of cities taking a week or two is, alas, a best case scenario!). Our projection was based on the ‘best case’ hope that people would remain passive for a few days and it would only be when people realized no help was coming and they were starting to starve that things would turn truly nasty.

      One of our readers, ‘Lt. Dan’, wrote in to share his perspective of what might go down, and alas, it is not nearly as sunny and optimistic as our earlier best case hope. His point is that violence will break outimmediately. There will not be days of ambiguity before things start to fail.”

      Well, I missed the report, and ‘Lt. Dan’ certainly does also have a point. However, the other factor to consider is that such emergencies; shelter in place or effectively martial law would likely be declared as a matter of attempting to sustain the present domestic balance of power, which technologically and financially predominantly is held by the financial and political elite that are in issues largely one and the same.

      The evaluation’s best case scenario sounds as though this was based under large bodies and demographics of the population strongly values morals, ethics, justice, and etc. Many large cities simply lack these as Lt. Dan points out, and although Arizona’s commits were blocked by low rating there are three cities around here who if you possess gang paraphernalia/symbols or gang colors; you will be arrested by the city’s officer’s. All three possess areas that people avoid and almost never see patrols enter the area outside a sweep of arrests. These officers are already accustomed to making arrests without any other form of evidence. It might be a good idea to see if police stations are eliminating or downsizing these departments but actually laying off officers in other divisions allowing these officers to stay on the force.

      Considering, the Dollar is heading towards being dissolved as the world’s reserve currency; it probably will have a economic and financial aspect to it. I am also compelled to point out that not possessing a viable alternative does not matter to nation’s who are domestically under siege by massive civil unrest/etc. Such as if the US’s economy collapses and presented with massive domestic issues, the Dollar’s confidence is shredded, and the viable alternative is to form trade agreements in nation’s respective currencies and precious metals.

      durango kidd
      “Only an EMP or Pole Shift can create the SHTF scenario envisioned where NO public services are operating.”

      No, there are actually plenty of options:
      1. Yellowstone, Valley Grande, and Long Valley are volcanoes the BBC coined super-volcanoes or volcanoes capable of 7/8 and above on the VEI scale, which like earthquakes are measured in magnitude and intensity.
      2. I forget the name of the grid but prior to 9/11; it shorted knocking out power on the entire east coast, which can occur by natural or man-made disaster.
      3. There’s earthquakes to consider as well. New Madrid and Cascadia on average rupture every few hundred years. Cascadia is approaching 400 and New Madrid just passed 200. Also I didn’t catch the name of the commenter, but the closest theory in which one earthquake triggers another is the Earthquake Storm Hypothesis, which means it’s not completely acquired enough data to support it and requires accessibility to monitor the temperature or heat built by pressure along the faults to determine the next area to likely be impacted by an earthquake or fault rupture. Both of these regions tend to produce very large earthquakes, and most standards halted between 7 and 8 prior to 1997’s methodology of Richter of moment magnitude, which according to MW the 8.3 San Fran quake was 7.7 MW.
      4. There’s the decaying infrastructure to consider, which largely impacts the ability to restock shelves from its distributors being able to effectively deliver from Point A to Point B.
      5. Then, there’s natural and man-made unknown or wildcards such as world war, nuclear war, and alteration in geological composition (familiar with Isostatic Adjustment much like the central aspect to Continental Rebound among the Great Lakes?).

      “SNAP / EBT Cards are designed to feed the population in a SHTF Event.”

      Actually, no they aren’t. In fact, they are specifically designed to be capable of being shutoff at whim, and they are vulnerable to EMP or the break down of the energy grid. If a place can’t accept credit/debit, it cannot accept EBT.

      • Be informed

        @ Seen. First of all the program was not all right you watched, the Cascadia fault went in 1700, 313 years ago. This averages about 260 years, so it is 50+ years overdue. The San Francisco earthquake of 1906 was NO WAY 7.7. Magnitude of an earthquake can be calculated by the miles of rupture and the amount of slippage, roughly for earthquakes in the distant past. The SF quake had 270 miles of rupture and 21 feet of slippage. That means it was a bare minimum 7.9, probably 8.0-8.1. They use that 7.7 because it looks better than another 8 happening in california for tourism and real estate deceptions. You know how california and new york are when it comes to lying about practically everything.

        The 1992 earthquake in southern california was a 7.3 or a 7.4 and a strike slip like the San Andreas and didn’t even have half the slippage or miles of rupture. Earthquakes almost exactly like the San Andreas have similar breaks to 1906 and NEVER have they been considered ONLY a 7.7. Politics as usual.

        The Long Valley Caldera is probably more of a VEI of 6, but might be capable of a 7. Millions of years ago it could have reached almost a 8, not now, maybe a high 6 barely 7. Valley Grande is the same, once very powerful, but now maybe a 7. Yellowstone of course a 8 and then some. Yellowstone may actually have enough magma under it to explode under the right conditions to be the largest eruption in the past billion years. They say it has much more magma than ever suspected. An earthquake could rip a large enough fissure to release that. This would end civilization as we know it.

        As for earthquake sizes for breaking, the following are the most likely magnitudes to occur:

        Southern San Andreas alone 7.8-7.9
        Southern and Central San Andreas 8.1-8.4
        San Andreas from San Francisco to Salton Sea 8.5-8.7
        Whole San Andreas 8.9-9.1

        Cascadia fault 9.0-9.3

        New Madrid, full break like in 1812- 7.7-8.2. The old dense rock would magnify to what would feel like close to a 9.

        Eastern Caribbean plate 8.5-8.9
        Northern and eastern section of the Caribbean plate 9-9.3
        Caribbean plate going would create very large tsunamis for the east and Gulf coasts. Shallow water would increase the tsunami size.

        Wasatch mountains in Utah 7.8

        Did some interesting investigation on 8+ quakes, and it is very uncommon for another 8 to follow after a 8+. It happened last year from a 8.6 to 8.2 aftershock. It happened in 2004 south of Australia with a 8.1 then 3 days later the Sumatra quake of 9.1 and ocean wide tsunami. Usually months or years go by before another 8+ quake happens. Of course there has been only 2 (8+)deep focus quakes ever recorded, the one in 1994 and TODAY which was the most powerful ever at 8.3. It took 4 months before a 8.3 occurred after the 1994 Peru/Bolivia quake happened.

        All indications are that the west coast from Mexico to Chile is extremely due for a very large earthquake, 24 out of 26 times plate boundary quakes that have been hit before and had central and South America major quakes occurring after this within 15 days. The entire west coast all the way up to the Aleutians in Alaska are now in danger. It doesn’t have to be a 8+ quake, but it will be large.

        Can you have mega quakes go one after the other? Yse, but the rebound effect of the plates usually prevents this. One plate goes, it usually allows another plate to kind of relax. Though in you got enough momentum going for one plate to the another, and each plate was at a critical point of failure, then yes it could happen. This is especially true with the Cascadia and San Andreas faults. Both the southern San Andreas and the Cascadia broke at around 1700. The Cascadia 1700 and the southern San Andrease = or – a few years of 1700, or very close to that time. Can happen, will it? At this point one can say maybe yes. I still think Peru to Columbia and Mexico are the best possibilities for the next massive earthquake.

        • JustOneGuy

          Morning BI,

          77 4.5+ in 6 days on the [email protected]#$%%% WHEWWWW, what on Earth is going ON? As well that hufe 8.3 in the Sea of Othoskt?….FWIW Frnend, the Planetary magnetometers are WAY OFF, have been so for three days now, as well and also, the Proton Flux’s, Electon Flux’s…from that long-winded M-5.0 the other day, ALL of which IS ‘Anomolously Strong’…sure IS a LOT going ON!

          I’ve read throgh your missives thereon…Good Work Friend, stay with it…I’l keep you abreast of things on the ‘other end’ a they occur. Oh, BTW, I WAS ‘out’ for the last 24 hours, am NOW trying to get ‘resync’ed’ with all that is happening…

          JOG

          • Be informed

            @ JustOneGuy. Whenever you start having century old records broken with earthquakes, you have something going on. It doesn’t mean the end of the world type scenarioes, just an increase in the cycles that are eons old that we have yet to experience. A 8.3 that deep in the planet is tremendous. That deep the rock is so plastic like, so molasses like, that it truly take a massive amount of tension from the diving down of the more solid plate from above. This happened in Bolivia/Peru region in 1994 with a 8.2, but the next largest one ever recorded was a 7.9. The USGS told me back in 1994 that it was simply one for the record books. Well, now here is another one more severe for the record books.

            The above post by Seen about how those lying scumbuckets out in california try to downplay the dangers, true dangers they live under. I have done way more than enough schooling on Geology to understand that a 270 mile rupture is no freaking way only a 7.7. Just like that lamia feinsteinless, God she is butt ugly, and so many others out there that try to suffocate everyone with ridicuolus laws and try to take away eveyone’s right, they bold face lie about the size of earthquakes past, present, and future. A 7.7 would be about 180-210 of rupture land on a horizontal plain. The San Andreas actually is not as horizontal as once thought, a propeller shape. This means some vertical movement also that would jack up the magnitude substantially, as more mass would be in motion.

            I so much thrive for accuracy, and when I see this crap from those liars out there, I thank God I am not in california or new york, or those other european states that do their best to take all freedoms away, especially the most basic, the right to defend ourselves. I don’t even want to go into how these horrible states try to take away the 1st. Amendment rights by this political correctness crap where those poor people have to be careful what they say under some of the most whacked out free speech state laws. In some areas if you use a racial tone you could be accused of inciting a riot. Hard to prove, but the “lawmakers” have these provisions on the books. They don’t even use the term anymore, islamist radical or extremist anymore. I say towel head homicide maniac frantic. Let them come after me for that one.

            Anyway, the above magnitudes given are probably accurate as possible. I don’t exaggerate or downplay it, just the facts on this. Those in earthquake zones will downplay the size potential because of MONEY. People are scared to death of the number 8 when it comes to earthquakes. They would have you believe that if the entire San Andreas broke 700 miles+ from Mexico to about Oregon that this would be only a 7.9 or low 8. It would reach towards 9, not 10, nine pointer. The 8.6/8.7 strike slip in Indonesia was only about 550 miles of rupture. Watch the earthquake maps, last night another precursor quake happened west of the Macquarie Islands, this one was indicating smaller major quakes coming, low to mid 7 range, but still showing that more earthquakes are coming.

            • JustOneGuy

              Howdy BI,

              I did see the Macquarie Island ‘thing’ up when I was typing my previous post in…and KNEW that THAT was not a good ‘Omen’.

              If I may here…I have dwelt on the entire ‘Deep Earth’ tremor issue for some little bit. Allow me to share my thoughts, if you will…

              In classical mechanics ̵