After the world witnessed a widespread radioactive disaster following the Tsunami that took down power systems at the Fukushima nuclear facility in Japan you would think that nuclear regulators and operators would have taken the threat of unforeseen accidents seriously.
Apparently, this is not the case, according to a new report from the United Kingdom.
Nearly the exact same scenario played out in the Devonport Dockyard last summer, when the primary and secondary power sources for nuclear cooling fuel became inexplicably inoperable.
It was a situation kept secret because the implications were so serious that the entire country of Britain could have been turned to a radioactive wasteland overnight.
A major nuclear incident was narrowly averted at the heart of Britain’s Royal Navy submarine fleet, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. The failure of both the primary and secondary power sources of coolant for nuclear reactors at the Devonport dockyard in Plymouth on 29 July last year followed warnings in previous years of just such a situation.
Experts yesterday compared the crisis at the naval base, operated by the Ministry of Defence and government engineering contractors Babcock Marine, with the Fukushima Daiichi power-station meltdown in Japan in 2011.
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But last July a series of what were described as “unidentified defects” triggered the failures which meant that for more than 90 minutes, submarines were left without their main sources of coolant.
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John Large, an independent nuclear adviser who led the team that conducted radiation analysis on the Russian Kursk submarine which sank in the Barents Sea in 2000, said:
“It is unbelievable that this happened. It could have been very serious. Things like this shouldn’t happen. It is a fundamental that these fail-safe requirements work. It had all the seriousness of a major meltdown – a major radioactive release.”
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Among a number of “areas of concern” uncovered by the Babcock investigation was what was described as an “inability to learn from previous incidents and to implement the recommendations from previous event reports”.
A subsequent review from the Base Nuclear Safety Organisation revealed the “unsuccessful connection of diesel generators” and questioned the “effectiveness of the maintenance methodology and its management”, while advising Babcock to “address the shortfalls in their current maintenance regime”.
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Its own “stress test” on Devonport safety, launched after the Fukushima disaster, said that in the event of the failure of both power supplies, heat levels in reactors could be controlled by emergency portable water pumps, and added that such a failure had occurred a “number of times” previously.
If you think nuclear facilities in the United States and other Western nations are any safer than Fukushima or Devonport, you’d be mistaken.
Because these facilities often operate under the cloak of secrecy, it is impossible for us to know how many times such incidents have occurred in the United States. What we do know is that on March 28, 1979 the 3-Mile Island nuclear facility in Pennsylvania experienced the worst nuclear power plant accident in American history when a meltdown occurred in one of the facility’s two reactors. Thus, accidents at these facilities are not unprecedented.
There are currently 65 commercially operating nuclear power plants with 104 nuclear reactors in 31 states around the country.
What Chernobyl, Fukushima, 3-Mile Island and Devonport show is that we are not immune from the real possibility of a massive nuclear disaster.
Given the sheer concentration of these facilities around major population centers, especially in the eastern United States, one can’t ignore the potential for an emergency on U.S. soil that irradiates a huge portion of our population and forces region-wide evacuations.
Consider a situation where the United States comes under attack by a Super-EMP (electro magnetic pulse) weapon or a powerful solar flare that takes down the power grid. In such a scenario, a collapse of our banks, stock markets, economy, and systems of commerce would be the least of our worries.
We already know that the processes and procedures in place to test and maintain back-up power generators is lacking, as evidenced by the failure of similar generators at medical facilities following Hurricane Sandy in 2012. Couple those system failures with an EMP or solar flare that renders the system completely inoperable, and people living within a 100-mile radius of a nuclear reactor would have about 90 minutes to evacuate before radiation spews all over them.
While a nuclear disaster of this magnitude is an outlier, it is not out of the question. We’ve experienced one in the last few years, and it’s still not under control and continues to contaminate ocean water, as well as the residents of Japan (and perhaps even the United States).
The threat of a nuclear meltdown if you live within several hundred miles of a nuclear facility is one worthy of consideration, planning and preparation. You’ll need to have a bug out plan in place and be ready to put it into action in seconds – not minutes.
You’ll have to move fast – very fast – at the first sign that a nuclear event is imminent. Tens of thousands of scared and panicked people will be trying to figure out what to do, how to get out of town, and where they will go. If you have a plan in place ahead of time you’ll at least be able to move a few minutes sooner than the rest of the golden horde. And when we’re talking 90 minutes until meltdown, even 5 minutes could be a life saver.
Nuclear disasters can happen. We’ve seen it with our own eyes. It will happen again. That is just about guaranteed.
Be prepared to act when it does.
Hattip Underground Medic
I will just stay where I am
Better than moving to New Greenland!
As I have always said, unless you have a preplanned retreat, you are best off staying where you are come what may! You do not want to be part of the golden horde.
The folks East of the Mississippi are screwed, like it or not, in a truly catastrophic event. In reality, there is no perfect place to be for all events.
I guess, due to age, I am content to be in rural Iowa and plan to stay where I am. We can be so worried about things that it all seems insurmountable so I am content to stay where I am and have faith in the Lord that all will work out. If not, Oh well what will be will be.
God Bless, James (the original James)
“Tsunami”? Maybe. Maybe not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP5pX3_VWiE
Maybe that’s what’s wrong with Piers Morgan —
he’s a barbecued Brit-kabob.
looks like another distraction to me, plus, according to the map, there wouldn’t be much left of the eastern U.S if the nukes all went south. Only 11 states without nuke reactors? Glad I’m in one of those 11.
Don’t forget the down wind effect. Regardless if your state or mine don’t have a nuclear power plant or not, the wind would carry the radioactivity and everything it touches would become radioactive (and maybe not at lethal doses depending on distance traveled but over time a persons body would succumb). That includes all forms of transportation and materials. Exposure to radioactivity puts everyone on a level playing field and it rudely disregards state and country borders. Look at the on going disaster in Japan.
Did anybody else notice a similarity in that map and the high population area map to be avoided when TSHTF?
Or how about the fact that all the land in the West, mostly claimed by the US corp, is free of these behemoth killers?
Is it possible these things were carefully and purposely positioned to kill as many as possible when the grid is purposely taken down and they can no longer be cooled.
In the bankster time frame of 50 years, I suspect it was planned and laid out that way as a part of the population reduction agenda and the attack on white Christians.
We are just now seeing it because that plan is known now, where it was beyond comprehension and ANYBODY’S imagination back when they started building them and set the plan in motion.
No wonder they estimate 9 out of 10 dead in a year. They won’t starve or kill each other, they will be poisoned with radiation while the pristine land is relatively unscathed.
@ Six pack…Hanford would flow right into your livingroom.
@ Sixpack.. just kidding. the jetstream flows east, so you are safe except for Fukushima. Radiation is showing up in fish now, I think I read it is in Blue Fin. I wasnt paying too close attention as I dont eat it.
better hope the wind ain’t blowing ur way! Or that the underground aquafirs aren’t connected…
Gods Creation:
“Did anybody else notice a similarity in that map and the high population area map to be avoided when TSHTF?”
Or maybe it’s because power plants are built where power is needed and more people means more power needs! Sheesh.
This weekend in DC…
The Million Vet March on the Memorials
Sunday, Oct. 13, at 9 a.m. Eastern at the World War II memorial on the National Mall (the location where rangers under orders from the White House tried, unsuccessfully, to prevent vets from visiting in recent days.)
http://vetmarch.com/
‘Truckers Ride for the Constitution’ plan DC protest
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/_truckers_ride_for_the_constitution_plan_dc_protest.html
Bikers Defend WW2 Memorial for Vets, Patriotic Act of Respect for Veterans
Bikers said to return this weekend to escort the WW2 and Vietnam vets through the ‘barrycades’.
http://freepatriot.org/2013/10/05/bikers-defend-ww2-memorial-vets-patriotic-act-respect-veterans/
Share this link with anyone thinking about signing up for Obamacare…
OBAMACARE INFO FOR ‘LAW ENFORCEMENT’
Obamacare Marketplace: Personal Data Can Be Used For ‘Law Enforcement and Audit Activities’
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-marketplace-personal-data-can-be-used-law-enforcement-and-audit-activities_762237.html
Thanks pointing that out in particular, but the broader problem is that ANY information given to ANY corp entity can and will be given to “law enforcement”, no warrant or probable cause required and no recourse for the people who give the information with the expectation of privacy and the protection of the Law.
Just Say No to AL of it.
It is already-
This is what could happen more likely than a Nuclear Meltdown
Matt Bracken writes :
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/bracken-will-obama-stop-the-music-this-november/
READ IT , UNDERSTAND IT, PREPARE FOR IT
OH YEH THERE GOING TO BE A FIGHT
RESIST NO MATTER WHAT
III%
Semper Fi 8541
Those silly silly Brits….
OBAMA TO INVOKE THE NDAA AND EMERGENCIES ACT IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
PENTAGON WARNS OF RADICAL CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS!
http://www.eutimes.net/2013/10/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon
TS IS ABOUT THTF IF THIS IS ALL TRUE!
Just like ptmama, I will stay just where I am, by the grace of God it is where I am supposed to be and if my end comes at the hands of human error then so be it. I look at it this way, when it is my time then I will rejoice in the hope that heaven’s door will be open.
The most any of us can control is our own lives, we have little power when it comes to the stupidity and evilness of others. Don’t fret too much, there are so many things to be afraid of, when you are at your wits end, remember that God’s hand is right next to yours so put your hand in his and hold on tight. God speed.
Assuming that the north east is the place not to be is simply that, an assumption. Round and round she goes, where she lands nobody knows. There are dangerous scenarios no matter where you live so just live and make the best of it where you are.
Earthquakes, floods, drought, snow storms, heat waves, chance of extreme solar flares, nuclear melt downs, threat of an emp, collapse of economy, food shortages, war, martial law, chaos, etc. etc. etc. Now tell me where is a safe place to live?
James, age aint nothing but a number. I’m 34 and more than grateful to be born here in the Heartland.
Good People make Great Neighbors, not Fences. Thats how you know you’re gonna be alright. God Bless James.
– Justin Paul
Iowa, Don’t get me wrong, I am very grateful to be here with you! We have the best ground in the world, grow darn near anything, low taxes,etc! We are very fortunate for our location. All I was saying was for a very large calamity, there is no completely safe place. God Bless, James
Sad thing is James, the Chinese and Muslims are staking claims to the heartland when the SHTF. Better be loaded for bear.
When I was 34 (a long time ago) age was just a number to me also. Some of us have to work harder just to slow down the slide down. I’m staying put too.If I can’t survive here I won’t survive being out there either.
If this is the case? Switzerland is toast. Melt down will smoke Europe.
Nuclear blasts are survivable for most Americans, IF they know what to do and have modest preparations. When evacuating after a nuclear explosion, travel crosswise to the downwind drift of the fallout. The most dangerous, and most noticeable fallout, falls close to ground zero. Smaller and lighter dust particles arrive hours later as they drift farther, often hundreds of miles. Radioactive fallout loses 90% of it’s lethal intensity in the first seven hours and 99% in two days.
People in suburbs who survive the blast need to stay in their homes for three days, in the basement if they have one; after three days, the radiation decays and they can go outside for a ten minute trip once a day, and after two weeks they can go outside all the time. Anyone who leaves their home before the three days, even for a short trip to get their child at school, will get a fatal dose of radiation and die a horrible death over the next month, bleeding to death internally.
Unfortunately, Fukushimu is worse than any nuclear attack.
Omg, that is such a bs. Please, get your facts in order and don’t spread false information. Radiation “dillutes”, um, yeah, but it does not “lose its lethal intensity” in a few days.
Well lookee there, a commercial nuke operation in the American Redoubt! I wonder if Rawles’ knows that in his wonderful, everything-is-better in the American Redoubt there is a nuke facility? And it is upwind from his hidey hole in Ideeho. Of course, there is the National Nuclear Laboratory in southeastern Ideeho, at Arco. And there is the nuke sub base and weapon storage facility at Bremerton, WA. Joel Skousen has pointed to the dangers of these and other nuke operations in his Strategic Location book. All is not perfect in the Redoubt.
Bremerton is not located in the redoubt. Your attitude stinks too.
I never said Bremerton was in the redoubt. I did point out it is upwind from the wonderful, all is perfect redoubt.
Ummm, I beg to differ. Your info on “nuclear blasts” is filled with incorrect info and lethal suggestions. My apology as I do not wish to be rude, only to educate.
As a Consultant Physicist for 32 years in the field of diagnostic radiology, I advise anyone reading the above suggestions best do their homework on the N in NBC warfare.
I strongly advise obtaining “Nuclear War Survival Skills” by Cresson Kearny, Published September 1979, American Security Council Education Foundation. It is a book easy to read, shelters, ventilation, etc. Hopefully reprints or online PDF’s are available.
Stay safe my family of fellow preppers !
@guero,
You are mistaken sir.
You confuse the difference between the blast from a nuclear detonation, and a nuclear plant meltdown…
The contamination from these nukler(v Bush) tea kettles, is catastrophic for thousands of years. This is the difference in isotopes of the low enriched fuel vs the weaponized highly enriched isotopes, which leave by products that do decay after they destroy themselves in the blast…
Nuclear plants make the waters ‘bitter’ with ‘low level’ radiation… like Fukushima is still leaking, and the Pacific is headed towards… God only knows.
“…it’s still not under control and continues to contaminate ocean water, as well as the residents of Japan (and perhaps even the United States).”
So that is what has happened to the west coast,especially Calif., except that the reactors have probably been seeping for the past 50+ years.
I totally agree, DR5508.
By mistake, I ate some fruit the other night that was grown in Cali. I had the wildest nightmares and with kalidescope images throughout the night. Never had dreams like that before.
Note to self…. check origination of produce, and nuts, etc. BTW, the milk produced in Cali. smells like a sewer. Don’t believe me, just pop open and smell. Rank.
sounds like you got some of that hallucinogenic stuff, you know, grown next door to one of those labs up around Berkeley? LOL
OFF TOPIC
A few posters, including me were asking the question :Where’s Anonymous when you need them?
Here they are:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/8/4817948/anonymous-no-more-twitter-engineer-uconn-security-analyst-among-13
No, no no, I can’t smoke it no more.
It leaves me wakin’ up on the floor.
Believe me, I ain’t wakin’ up on the floor, no more.
You are nucking futs. A shame that morons like you give this site a bad name as home of the crack pots. British naval reactors like American will not do what Fukushima did. For one thing there are no spent fuel rods stored there. The paranoia and silliness on this site is embarrassing. Third grade education must be the norm.
Its time for the people to demand an end to nuclear power while WE still can. The world (geophysically speaking)is moving into a more dynamic era with predicted earth changes, the precursors of which, are physically and magnetically visible now.
As dangerous as a meltdown might be, the greatest danger from nuclear power is the waste. The waste from a breeder reactor takes 10,000 years to dissipate to a safe level. from a normal reactor it takes 100,000 years. My preps won’t last that long, even if I do.
Until WE have a virus or bacteria that eats nuclear waste and excretes gold and platinum …. shut them down!!!
Engage your employees or these fools will destroy US all! 🙂
“Until WE have a virus or bacteria that eats nuclear waste and excretes gold and platinum …. shut them down!!!”
Thanks DK, I have my weekend project in “yentalsteins underground laboratory” now targeted on an actual solution. BTW, I am focusing on a bacterium that can be readily and rapidly reproduced in petri dishes the world over. Viruses are too damn unpredictable and potentially uncontrollable.
Ive almost completed work on a virus that will save us all…it eats crap…about to turn it loose in DC 😉
(I’m one of two “Anonymouses”!)
YOU’LL HAVE GOT TO SEE THE VIDEO AT PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS WEBSITE (FRONT PAGE) TITLED, “GLENN GREENWALD FULL INTERVIEW ON SNOWDEN, NSA, GCHQ AND SPYING”!!
IT IS SUPERB! TPTB SCREW OVER US SO MUCH, ITS EXHILLETATING TO SEE ONE OF OUR PEOPLE SCREW THE BASTARDS BACK!!!!
We’re staying put, as well. In NW Ohio, we’ve always had to worry about Davis Besse, the glow-in-the-dark nuclear plant up by Toledo, but it looks like we’ve got more coming at us from Illinois. Prevailing westerlies and many, many nuclear plants. Illinois has been a burden for a while, from Chicago on down. If Davis Besse blows in the winter, we’ll get the fall-out from the north winds, then the radiation from the westerlies which will pick up in spring. I’ve bought more than enough iodine tablets for my family, and our earth berm should help. However, we’ll just have to see what happens. As is, I won’t eat fish from any Ohio river, but ground water may be a problem. Good luck, everyone!
There is some serious fear-mongering in this article. Here are some helpful facts.
There is a process for reporting nuclear incidents. It gets used A LOT. If someone farts too loudly at a US nuclear plant it gets reported. If you lose a self-illuminating tritium EXIT sign, it gets reported. If someone gets a DUI, it gets reported.
Read it yourself.
http://www.nrc.gov/public-involve/rss.cfm?feed=event
Second point:
The radiation risk from Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and Chernobyl has been grossly overstated. Instead of believing the hype, go look up the casualty numbers for both accidents. Excluding people facility workers and emergency responders, how many people died from these accidents? A big fat zero.
Given the choice between living next to a Coal, LNG, or Nuclear plant: I’d choose the latter without hesitation. The real risk is infinitesimal.
Very strange. Now the lose of control of another power plants. Dose anyone smell a RAT?
Yeah, a big Stuxnet rat. It will get real interesting in November when Tepco attempts to remove 1600 odd fuel rods from SFP 4 MANUALLY. One drop, one broken rod and know one really knows what will happen since its all virgin territory. Fortunately it is only 15,000 Hiroshimas worth of spent fuel involved.
I keep hearing that: “One dropped rod bit”; Sorry, but I don’t believe it. hundreds dropped out ot the sky after the explosian. No doubt more than one was distroyed; yes it’s a bad mess. Why is one dropped rod going to do what all of them didn’t when the roof blew out and then fell in on over a thousand?
Fukushima could be 15,000 times worse than Hiroshima with removal of fuel rods
Posted on October 1, 2013 by The Extinction Protocol
October 1, 2013 – JAPAN – A Yale Professor is compelling the world to wake up from its nuclear slumber and face some cold-hard facts, “All of humanity will be threatened for thousands of years” if the Fukushima Unit 4 pool can’t be kept cool. Your worries about eating cesium-contaminated fish from the Pacific Ocean are grounded in fact, but this is a world-wide disaster of the most epic proportions just waiting to happen. If nothing else, it points to the necessity of nuclear-free power to fuel the planet, but in the meantime, more than 1,535 fuel rods must be meticulously removed from Unit 4, which in all likelihood is crumbling. Charles Perrow, Professor Emeritus of Sociology from Yale University cautions: “Conditions in the unit 4 pool, 100 feet from the ground, are perilous, and if any two of the rods touch it could cause a nuclear reaction that would be uncontrollable. The radiation emitted from all these rods, if they are not continually cool and kept separate, would require the evacuation of surrounding areas including Tokyo. Because of the radiation at the site the 6,375 rods in the common storage pool could not be continuously cooled; they would fission and all of humanity will be threatened, for thousands of years.” In early stages of the Fukushima disaster Tepco, under influence of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), tried to keep the full ramifications of Fukushima under wraps, and now the entire country faces a possible trillion dollar price tag and multiple decades of active clean up to make this go away, but that will all be a moot point if the fuel rods aren’t removed properly. All the boron between spent fuel rods has disintegrated.
This means a nuclear chain reaction could ensue if the rods get too close together in the pools, causing nuclear mayhem like we’ve never endured. In less than two months, Tepco plans to try to remove these rods, admitting that they haven’t the expertise or resources to do it perfectly – and that is what it would take – absolute perfection. According to globalreasearch.ca, “Some 400 tons of fuel in that pool could spew out more than 15,000 times as much radiation as was released at Hiroshima. More than 6,000 fuel assemblies now sit in a common pool just 50 meters from Unit Four. Some contain plutonium. The pool has no containment over it. It’s vulnerable to loss of coolant, the collapse of a nearby building, another earthquake, another tsunami and more.” Overall, more than 11,000 fuel assemblies are scattered around the Fukushima site. According to long-time expert and former Department of Energy official Robert Alvarez, there is more than 85 times as much lethal cesium on site as was released at Chernobyl.” This is no time for Tepco or the Japanese government to try to save face, or the world to turn the other cheek. If we don’t treat this as a global disaster it would be like waiting for the Russians to start nuclear war back in the 1980s – or worse. Harvey Wasserman has created a petition at NukeFree.org to alert our own president and other politicians about the extreme seriousness of this incident. All while they were planning to go to war with Syria, the nuclear disaster right under our noses was escalating to unfathomable proportions. Not to sound doom and gloom, but it’s important to recognize the ramifications if this issue isn’t taken care of – properly. –Prison Planet
That makes me feel sooo muuuuch betttter!
Not so much a rat, as the fact that all of these plants are getting older, and deteriorating. On the other hand, one can’t acknowledge that Operation Northwoods existed and throw out the rat theory entirely.
As far how similar or different they are: It’s my understanding that most of the ones in the West were designed by GE, so you can bet they’re pretty similar.
It wouldn’t be the first time that environmental sabotage was utilized. Look at three mile island. Sabotage, straight up.
Environmentalists that are antinuclear have just enough knowledge to know that circulation pumps are how to control an assembled nuclear pile. These circulation systems are triple redundant at 87% efficiency. Your car is around 45%. So the possibility of a cooling system of that efficiency triple over is nearly impossible.
So they have learned, take that system out and they can ram their points home with an example. look,See what happened here?
I have no idea if that is what happens here but the possibility certainly exist.
And don’t put it past them, they will not flinch at sacrificing lives to make their point.
I’m so sick and tired of my life being put in jeopardy to prove somebody or another’s point…damn tired.
Oh great!
I suppose the next fad craze sensation will
be radiated glow-in-the-dark zombie dolls.
Smells like shite to me Sarge. Green, glowing, steaming..unchecked radiological contamination. They can’t handle the sizzle, then we fizzle. The odds are against us even without the rat. But it wouldn’t surprise me if there was as the rules of engagement are a little foggy to me at this point. Fully engaged with no rules, just fizzlin away. All I can do anymore is just raise an eyebrow and the potassium iodide. Salute.
@ Sgt. Dale, I’ve been smelling this same “rat sh*t” for so long now it has started to smell like homemade cookies in the oven.
I do believe THAT has been been THEIR INTENTION all along. When discernment and RECOGNITION have become “moot”…THEY can convince a LARGE MAJORITY that the steaming plate of crap being eaten is THEIR FAVORITE DISH! The “matrix” from the BIG SCREEN to your dinner table/mind.
How many are willing to UNPLUG and identify/face reality? Ultimately, the answer to that question will decide a meaningful “TIME LINE POSITION” for OUR future.
@Sgt. Dale,
What I smell here is a bunch of lying rats. Specifically the governments of Japan, England, the US, and others. They are not forthcoming with information about reactor shutdowns, near disasters, and how the waste is processed and handled, among other things. The dishonesty disgusts me.
Hmmmm, who could that be knocking on my door?
What better way to kill off a third of the world’s pop. than with radiation. They can blame it on the sun and global warming. Al Gore keeps counting the money.
Always. The stench of all the rats together mask the reek of just one, making it harder to locate.
Better check those Siemens controllers for evidence of STUXNET! This malware, crafted by the US and Israel, was intended to smash Iran’s civilian nuclear power infrastructure, but escaped into the world causing havoc all across Asia, and was known to have infected computers around the Fukushima power plant prior to the quake and tsunami, during which important safety systems in the power station failed to operate correctly.
I feel sorry for those just waking up and feel nothing for those still asleep.
Hey, we hacked Iran’s centrifuges.
Anything operated by a computer system can be hacked for nefarious reasons.
It’s all about control – and “We The People” don’t have it.
It is all about control…
‘Gestapo’ tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone
“Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.
The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.
When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.
“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt.”
http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442580373/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone
Which way is the wind blowing?
…seems to be coming right out of hell and blowing straight to hell at the moment…kinda weird eh?
@ Mac
That is an interesting map showing the general locations of nuclear power plants.
If you look at cancer prevalence per capita, both overlay quite well.
The cancer rates incidence and associated mortality shows the majority is located in the eastern US.
Maybe there is no real correlation between the two, other than population density, but it is still interesting. The only other correlation I can find for cancer incidence , per capita, is rain fall. Louisiana happens to be one of the worst for cancer. Among other things.
Without more in depth analysis, a valid conclusion would be hard to make, but I wonder if there is an inherent amount of associated radiation exposure that the populace gets by living close to these power plants.
I know power plants need lots of water for cooling and to feed their steam turbines, surely all aren’t closed loop systems. Could this be the reason the Mississippi river is like a giant artery of cancer incidence, ending up around Louisiana as the sphincter of Americas pollution?
Just a thought. Maybe someone in the know could shed some light on this for me.
Good article Mac.
James- Most Nuclear Power Plants in the US are BWR (Boiling Water Reactor)that basically boil water to run big GE steam turbines. They all pretty much need a large water source for cooling, they take in seawater or river water for instance, circulate it through the cooling pipes and then discharge it back out as warmer water.
The reactors have a mechanical ‘fail safe’ system called a SCRAM that is supposed to insert or withdraw the control rods in between the fuel bundles in case of emergency to control or slow the fission process. That’s great, except the spent fuel pools really have no control mechanisms- they need cool circulating water to keep the ‘spent’ rods from heating up and melting down.
Those are your real concern, not just the reactors.
More on the energy process here:
http://world-nuclear.org/Nuclear-Basics/How-does-a-nuclear-reactor-make-electricity-/#.UlRNF77na70
@ JID, Thanks a lot! Sphincter of America’s pollution? I have never heard of our great state of Louisiana described that way! If we tighten up them sphincters will things backup up-stream? We best better just let it all go into the Gulf. The more you guys flush the faster it will go. Like they use to say, “Flush twice, it’s a long way to the kitchen!” Called recycling!!
Great article and timely reminder, Mac. We live 30 miles away from a nuclear power plant. If the wind is blowing at 15 miles an hour, we will have a radiation cloud over our metropolitan area within 2 hours. This stuff is not too farfetched. Again, we really need to be aware of our surroundings, learn more about the dangers lurking out there, and prepare, prepare, prepare, and ultimately place our trust in God Almighty!
Some short tips and suggestions for preparations would be helpful. Free PDF versions of Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson H. Kearny are available on the WEB. I appreciate all the insightful comments from everyone.
Vote out Mary Landrieu and it may help the smell and the toxicity.
@laeagle
No offence meant towards you or your state. However, it is undeniable, according to statistics, that Louisiana is a cesspool of disease and pollution. You can thank, in part, the oil and gas industry for that.
I don’t like it, just calling the kettle black I guess.
If you get a chance, and provided the site is still up during this government shutdown, you should look up the cancer statistics map. Break it down by county, and query their database for cancer incidence not mortality per capita. If your query includes mortality, the data it’s somewhat skewed due to socio-economic reasons, namely because the poor don’t spend a few hundred thousand fighting cancer.
Just my 2 cents.
In the pressurized water reactor, the cooling water is very definitely a closed loop system. The chemistry of water going thru the core must be controlled so that it doesn’t corrode the core and the piping. Only a closed loop system can manage that. Plus it is somewhat radioactive as it leaves the core, so even if there weren’t the
ALL power generation steam turbines are closed loop. The water that goes thru the turbines has to be very pure and at just the right PH, to prevent erosion of the turbine blades. Much easier and cheaper to recycle that water too. I’ve personally been involved in building some of the instrumentation used in those plants to real-time monitor the turbine loop water.
What you see emanating from power plant cooling towers, nuclear or fossil fuel) is vapor from the heat exchanger used to cool the turbine loop’s contents, so it can be recycled. Some places have enough water around that they dump the water used in the turbine loop coolers into a river or the ocean. So there’s an issue with HEAT changing the ecology of the river, but there is zero radiation carried out. That water is at two removes from the reactor coolant.
@ the old coach
I figured as much. It really doesn’t seem feasible that a power plant could let any radiation laced water out, without some environmental watchdog group raising hell about it.
I appreciate yours and Socrates` comments, clearing this up for me.
However, that still leaves the question about cancer incidence. Obviously there has to be some kind of environmental correlation. Weather it’s industrial pollution, or other, there is definitely a demonstrable increase of cancer incidence on the eastern USA.
Just thinking.
coolant leaks. when operating hp valves, some packing gland leakage occures.
Radiation is released from nuclear power plants all of the time during their “daily” operations.
Radiation with names like Tritium, Iodine, Cesium, Strontium…
All of them can cause cancer and other effects such as heart disease, diabetes, miscarriages, birth defects, etc.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission keeps reports on how much radiation is released by each power plant.
You can google them. They’re called “Radioactive Effluent Environmental Reports.”
And check out ENENEWS.com to learn a lot more about the dangers of nuclear energy.
Over 104 reactors (most with large spent fuel pools as well)in the U.S. Wait till we lose ‘control’ of those.
And yes, Iran (and others)are pissed and have already reverse engineered the early versions of STUX since the payload was rather small compared to the latest versions.
There used to be at least two small nuclear reactors in New Mexico; at least one at Sandia Labs, and one at White Sands. They must be only counting large ones.
We had the Trojan reactor in St. Helens OR, but it was decommissioned years ago.
No, they are counting commercial ones. LA, and Sandia are nuclear research labs operated for the government by various private companies.
Yea, thats possible, or some crazy assholes fly a bunch of planes loaded with explosives into the control centers of some randomly spaced nuke pp sites,
In my mind its not if but when!
Our govt has pissed off a lot of people,
Only a matter of time till one of them goes all crazy n shit
They could do us all a favor and fly them into the NSA data centers…
Could a loss of the electrical grid from an EMP cause every nuclear reactor in the U.S. to go into meltdown? Or could a nuclear reactor create and recirculate enough of its own electricity in order to keep cooling itself indefinately?
Simple answer is no.
No and yes.
“people living within a 100-mile radius of a nuclear reactor would have about 90 minutes to evacuate before radiation spews all over them.” – This is not true. For radiation to reach 100 miles out in just 90 minutes you would need 65mph sustained winds and then it would only be 100 miles out in 1 direction, not a 100 mile radius.
glad somebody is awake.
Comforting for us if it’s summer, and terrible if it’s winter. Vice-Versa for Canada, of course.
As a Brit, I’m neither happy nor surprised to see this story.
You have to live here to witness for yourself the chinless wonders we have in key positions of responsibility. I would say they could organise a p%& up in a brewery, but all our pubs are closing, lest the common man meet and revolution begins to ferment as it did in the early days of the Unions etc a few generations back.
Also as a Brit I have to point out, our Island is so small and so overcrowded, and our infrastructure so poorly maintained that driving anywhere fast in a real emergency is a non-starter. I’m not even sure tptb would be able to get to their escape helicopters in time – small comfort.
lonelonmum
You are more than welcome to make your residence
over here in the States, love to have you, but
then, that might be jumping from the frying pan
into the fire. No good place anywhere, I guess.
Consider Australia folks. One reactor and that is aging and will be decommissioned soon. With our political climate there wont be another built either – nuclear power is on the nose! Being in the Southern Hemisphere too helps – if there is a mass meltdown North of the middle mostb radioactivity will circulate in its own hemisphere for a while, diluting as it goes. Some will get here of course but hopefully it will be greatly dimished by then. You Americans may criticise our gun laws (justifiably too in my opinion) but really they arent too bad. Semi Auto rifles along with pump and semi auto shottys are very hard to get a license for and handguns are strictly regulated – which doesnt make a blind bit of difference to our crime stats – but if you join a pistol club, shoot regularly and have a clean record you can have pretty much whatever you want. Rifles and shotguns, apart from those mentioned above, are regulated similar to what Canada had but are pretty easy to justify, get and keep. I have about 25-30 rifles and shotguns – no pistols any more but I could easily go back to a club and get some. Ammo is unrestricted and to really upset you Yanks, plentiful and compared to what you are paying quite cheap. I bought 2 cases (10,000) of 22 HV rimfire ammo (Winchester) recently on sale at $330A (about $US290) and could have bought 10 cases. We have 23 million in an area the size of the US’s lower 48 but a lot of that is hostile desert – but still a lot of room for everyone. We dont have the insurmountable economic problems of the US and UK (and Euro) either and have recently kicked out the welfare expanding mob of fools running the joint. We do have a problem with illegal immigrants though (PC called “asylum seekers” which is just pure BS, they are economic queue jumpers and mostly parasites). No where is perfect but without trying to sound biased I do think the chances of me, my 2 kids and one grandkid are better here – both to avoid an apocolypse altogether or survive it better if there is one.
Aussie
You can’t deny that Fukushima still comes in at #1 with three cores burning and bubbling somewhere underneath the reactors. That could churn out a surprise any day if you stop and think about it. Not to mention reactor 4 which could ignite into a nuclear fire at any moment. Word is you can’t put out a nuclear fire. That’s a long way from nuclear power plants can’t explode. That’s what we were told in the 70’s. It was impossible for that to happen.
Ha! you think this is bad..wait til you read this
Seoul (AFP) – South Korea’s spy agency confirmed Tuesday that the North has restarted an aging plutonium reactor that could help boost its nuclear weapons program
Russia has warned that the resumption of Yongbyon could lead to catastrophe. The reactor, a source of great national pride and international anxiety over its role at the heart of North Korea’s nuclear ambitions, was built in 1986 and is outdated.
“Our main concern is linked to a very likely man-made disaster as a consequence. The reactor is in a nightmarish state, it is a design dating back to the 1950s,” a Russian diplomatic source told Interfax news agency last month.
“For the Korean peninsula this could entail terrible consequences, if not a man-made catastrophe.”
The NIS report also showed that the North had tested a long-range rocket engine, the lawmakers said.
The US-Korea Institute, citing satellite images, said separately in September that North Korea was believed to have tested a long-range rocket engine at its Sohae satellite launching station.
While the exact engine type could not be identified, possibilities included the second stage of the Unha-3 Space Launch Vehicle, or the second or third stage engine of a much larger rocket under development, it said.
Analysis of before and after satellite photos indicated the test had taken place sometime between August 25 and 30, it said.
so The problem with this reactor is that it has a Uranium-238 blanket which is transformed into Plutonium-241 when the reactor is operating. North Korea will then separate this Plutonium-241 and use this material to produce nuclear weapons. Another problem is this reactor is old and is likely to have an accident which will uncover the core, melt the fuel, and make the accident in Fukuishima look petty.
so we either have the NK using this to build nuke weapons, or it has a melt down that kills their own people, but further contaminates this planet for the rest of us..take yer pick
Really?
Must you add to the anxiety!
Eesh
Actually I can’t get too anxious over anything now. I am tired and want to get done with everything and go home. Sounds like an overtired kindergartener. Maybe a nap followed with milk and cookies will set me straight?
Lol
yep I guess I do..you know how I roll 😉
And I started the day here feeling pretty good. Ummmm, thanks for that!! 🙂
Aussie
Mac:
I know this is an important article but I would like to see you do an article about the DC truckers.
How about an interview with the people who started this as well as info on how non-truckers can participate.
Maybe include the article about Facebook (Zuckerberg) closing their account because of God Bless America.
This story is imminent and I think close to most posters heart. I see that some posters are going to participate.
Don’t know how many of your ‘advertisers’ would have a problem with the story. Guess we posters will just have to wait and see.
I know I’ll be writing “T2SDA!” on the back window of my car with white shoe polish! I pass enough truckers on my way to and from work everyday- I’m sure they’ll appreciate someone displaying some solidarity!
POG I asked this of Mac too on a previous article,( im betting you saw it) not sure if he just moderates without reading or not, so hopefully he will see your comment too and make a move on this
I agree this is now (Imminent) as you put it
and it deserves our patriotic backing of everyone here..
VRF:
I know we can e-mail him at the top of this article. I have done that and he has answered any question I had.
Thanks Granny.
I saw something on FTTWR
Said veterans services offices etc are shut down?
If this is true its time to go,
WTF?
Arrested Viet Nam Vets in new york last night, plus the other crap going on,
Lame, time for a new version of hope and change
Last week Obama said that he was just 5 days away from completing the fundamental transformation of America. He must have turned us into a police state where only illegal aliens and the Inner Party have rights.
Power to the People, via the independent truckers!
I’m with you gear jammers. Just not able to be physically there anymore. I’ve done the DC beltway many times and it won’t take much to shut her down.
Especially at five 0’clock on Friday.
Great idea. I’ve been wanting a decent excuse for getting off FB, and this ought to do it. I have many friends and elderly people (really) who keep in touch this way and I don’t want to hurt feelings or have them think I’m crazy (it might come back to bite you.) for telling them that FB is not safe and to watch what you say. They just don’t understand.
They’re going to cook us all.
Two interesting quotes from this article stick out like a blown coolant pump:
“It was a situation kept secret because the implications were so serious that the entire country of Britain could have been turned to a radioactive wasteland overnight.”
“Because these facilities often operate under the cloak of secrecy, it is impossible for us to know how many times such incidents have occurred in the United States.”
How in the world are we to feel warm and fuzzy knowing that an incident like this could or did happen and we weren’t told about it. The informational bar is so high what will it take for us to be told of a possible nuclear event? And to me, being told DOES make a difference.
scram the reactor.
reactors in USA shutdown when power fails. better design than those “brilliant” ruskies. 🙂
Would assume brits at least have this design requirement on theirs too. Not sure what happened to japs. didn’t have time to research
As I understand it, their diesel back-ups were washed away by the tsunami. The diesels run the cooling pumps when off-site power is lost.
I’m told that there is a two week supply of diesel fuel on site in the US to run the diesels in an emergency. Theoretically, this would give them time to have a resupply delivered. I have no idea how long it would take to cool the core to a safe state, but somehow I doubt two weeks would be sufficient.
@visitor: Our USA nuke plants are equipped with backup diesel gensets, and these are very well maintained. Likewise, these facilities typically have very high standards for maintaining a quality fuel supply. So happens the company I work for (www.priproducts.com) supplies many of these facilities with a diesel fuel stability additive that keeps the fuel from degrading.
What Is amazing to me is how poorly maintained many emergency generators are in both the public and private sectors. About half of all genset failures in an emergency are the result of fuel that has gone bad, a reason why you see so many hospital evacuations following hurricanes, for example. Fuel quality is too often a very weak link.
Of course, this begs the question about how many other weak links there are in these systems. No doubt Fukushima engineers once thought they had it all dialed in and nothing could ever happen to ruin their day.
The hubris of technological arrogance always has an ugly end. Too bad our collective asses seem to need a scary swift kick to remind us to stay humble.
We live in the Ohio Valley…we got nuke reactors everywhere. Got nowhere to run to.
WTF? I don’t see a single reactor listed in the Ohio valley, unless you count the one up by Pittsburgh. All the power plants on the Ohio are (or were) coal fired. Now either shutting down or converting to natural gas.
Unexplained? Stuxnet. Wonder what Britain was considering then to draw the attack. And just imagine an EMP- every nuclear power plant goes Fukushima immediately. Those who pushed this technology on the human race wanted this to happen.Nuclear blackmail on a global scale. Zionists/Khazars.
The use of nuclear power is complete insanity. This only leads to weapons of mass destruction threatening the entire world. TPTB have used them before in Japan and they will use them in the future. To use such evil and deadly technology is against humanity and common sense. Close them all down and get rid of existing warheads. Smash the murderous nuclear power instigators.
Dahlink! Where did you get that stunning tinfoil hat?
Not sure whether to take this seriously –
http://www.eutimes.net/2013/10/pentagon-warns-to-expect-radical-change-in-us-government-soon/
Is the eutimes a serious news site or a satire site like the Onion?
EU Times is not a satire site, but they appear to be a disinfo site. I wouldn’t believe anything they say. That being said…it doesn’t mean that they’ll never be right…even if it’s just due to the law of averages catching up to them.
Sorcha Faal, the Onion, and EUTimes.net are all bogus sites. eutimes isn’t even in Europe. their IP is somewhere in IL.
It is satire. Lost on the morons here. Heartbrain even understands. Keep screaming about bullshit. You all got owned. Hahahahaha. Sucka.
Urban ic dog, go somewhere else with your BS and back off my community.
I think the original post was on Sorcha Faal…so take from that what you want…
What’s that when it’s at home?
Read this through your link and it was terrifying. I don’t know their track rate but will consider it valid until proven otherwise.
That map puts things into perspective. Realistically the odds of being able to bug out to a safer area are slim to none. In the event of a national or regional EMP related blackout it would be too late by the time any of us became aware, the highways would be a disaster and impassable on top of people being in a panic. Some folks know what to do when the power goes out, even that small percentage of cognizant individuals would likely overload the roads. While the traffic chaos begins to ramp up, civil structure begins to fall apart in the cities. Western residents are better off, on the eastern side of the nation we wouldn’t stand a chance. Perhaps it’s all the scenario – EMP disables power plant, generators, cars, ect or large scale blackout from?? Might have a chance with the latter scenario.
Yep, we are close to one of those reactors. Have already discussed, we will not leave. Guess it may be how we die but we are not leaving our family farm. Each person/family has to make their own decision, we have made ours.
Everybody gotta die sometime, Red.
die’n aint much of a livin’ son
Clint Eastwood
If I can make it to the BOL in GA at the right time, OK. If not, then OK. I’ll take my chances wherever I’m at.
Hi Braveheart. So, if you can’t make it to your relatives BOL, you are going to take your chances where you are? What a profound idea!!! What choice would you have? Pretty much the only one would be to kill yourself.
Urban dildo, call me at 1-800-EAT-SHIT.
Urbanna Dog shit..Thats a great idea. Why dont You kill yourself, then post the results here.
Way to go, gone under. Trolls…don’t you just love them? [SARCASM INTENDED]
Secretive places running things in a sloppy manner and ignoring the proper protocols to ensure safety? Sounds typical to me.
The big-boys of business will cut every corner they can find even if it is at the cost of millions of lives just to make a buck.
And since when did big business give a crap about safety? Only if they get caught red-handed, and even then they will do everything they can to pretend THEY are the victims, not the people they have harmed. As long as they can squeak through without anyone finding out about close-calls they will continue on as they have always. Pathetic.
Funny how things are tied together. Babcock Marine, a division of Babcock International was originally a part of Babcock and Wilcox, the builder of TMI.
Babcock and Wilcox also ran the Manhattan project and they are a major player in the production of plutonium and nuclear research and development for the Dept. of Energy here in the states.
The DOE is mostly a front for nuclear weapons development.
No matter how serious it was , it would be contained. Mark to market of radioactive wasteland would destroy the financial systems. Which are based in large part on land values as collateral . )
breathe deep , the ghosts of irish ancestors shipped off too plantations in the carribbean . will laugh long and hard at your glow in the dark misfortunes.
Just added to list: Radioactive shielding suit w/ Leaded nut cover.
Fukushima should be enough to shut these plants down. These psychopaths are messing with something they simply can’t control. Hate to say it Einstein but its over your head!
Hi guys
long time since I last posted. I hate to say it, but this is a non story for several reasons.
“Once a submarine arrives at the Devon base’s specially designed Tidal X-Berths, it must be connected to coolant supplies to prevent its nuclear reactor overheating.”
This is pure unadulterated bollox. I have worked for several years in Na*** Ba***. I am intimately aquainted with what happens there and this doesn’t.
The Independant is well known in the UK for scare (non)stories like this.
“They were the loss of primary and alternative shore supply to the nuclear hunter/killer attack sub HMS Talent in 2009 and the loss of “AC shore supply” to the now decommissioned nuclear sub HMS Trafalgar in 2011, the Serc report said.”
This does happen, but the boat does not depend on shore supply for it’s whole stay alongside. In fact, if the shore supply drops out unexpectedly, the boat simply reverts to it’s own generators, which are never fully disabled. THe only time a boat’s gennies would be completely unavailable would be if they are all being overhauled. They never overhaul all of them at the same time. Loss of shore supplied a/c is usually planned for a purpose, but it can and does drop out occasionally. Not considered a big deal by the Navy.
“Mr Large warned that if a submarine had recently entered the base when the failure occurred the situation could have been “dire” because of high heat levels in its reactor.”
Again, bollox. Boats arriving at any UK base for any purpose that requires a shutdown are required to run on their own onboard Diesel power until the reactors are shut down and cool. They maintain their own cooling after this unless it is the system being serviced. Let me repeat, they never depend entirely on shore supplied power for reactor cooling.
And WTF is a Central Nuclear Switchboard?
As I said: typical Independant non story. I bet it was on Page 4, where it would only be found by sheeple looking for a scare story.
ATB
Newbie Brit
There are only two types of vessels in the Navy – submarines and targets….
As the newbie pointed out, submarines DO Not connect their primary or secondary coolant systems to a dry dock. The reactors are powered down to a minimal sustained chain reaction while in dry dock.
Shore power is connected to the sub and even if shore power is lost, the diesel could be started. There are many scenario’s the Captain could choose going forward, including powering up the reactor.
The story is high on the “bull manure” scale but keep in mind the big picture is you need to be prepared. Add a nuclear contingency to your preps but don’t flip out over this article.
BTW – Reactor’s don’t just overheat in 90 minutes, and short of a major incident (like an earthquake) to cause such catastrophic failure. A nuclear explosion from a warhead has approx. 90 minutes before fallout falls back to earth.
If you want to read more on radioactive protection check out the survivalblog.com and a recent article I saved was:
http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/09/protection-from-radioactive-fallout-by-tennessean.html
If you want to hypothetically see the effect of a nuclear blast, check out this link (type in your city and select the blast size):
http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20
subs can sink, then surface what’s your tpk
Did anyone hear about the street preaches arrested in Missouri? I believe the charge was disturbing the peace. Being a Christian is a crime I will continue to commit. Evil is all around and sometimes I get down because they seem to hold all the highest positions at my work. But GOD has never let me down and he didn’t bring me this far to drop me off.
Molon Labe
I take USA Today with a grain of salt, but the complaint was not one of being Christian while in public, but a noise disturbance. I’ve tried to place my fair share of noise complaints in the last 10 years and in most communities LEOs don’t want to respond without more than one complaint. In a city the size of Springfield either the overall city attitude is particularly unfriendly to Christians OR this guy really is noisy enough to cause multiple complaints per incident, because this is not his first run-in with the law. He apparently skipped applying for a permit. St. Paul urged us to be good citizens so that we wouldn’t get in trouble for anything less than the gospel itself, and this is a good illustration of why.
Here in the U.S. if Congress could make one good decision it would be, eliminating nuclear energy in the United States of America. I doubt that will happen. One day these nuclear plants are going to prove disastrous whether it be natural catastrophe or a man made situation etc…those places have decrepit infrastructure and lax security. Nothing more than, ticking time bombs scattered all across our land. 🙁
The Great Almighty has turned almost complete control over to Lucifer concerning this planets doing with sin. Judgement has fallen on a fallen world. Let the 4 BLOOD MOONS that will concur on 2014 through 2015 be a testimony, Of Gods anger and love for mankind. How much potassium iodate do you have on your shelf? I hope you have alot!
Truckers heading to D.C. on the 11th! Just a reminder. Support them in any way you can. Don’t pump any money into the machine for those 3 days. Buy up all your Milk and gas before hand. And remember just because you are not giving these assholes your money for 3 days, does not mean you can’t do stuff. Read a good book, watch tv, take the kids to a park, throw the old football around, whatever.
Go fishing; go bike-riding; play board games or cards; build a tent using blankets(and kitchen chairs) and go indoor camping; build those swings on those trees you promised and that tree house–okay, I’m finished now.
you now whats really scary. the simpsons cartoon that is only funny because it has a element of truth mimics real life. Dumb dum Homer works at the nuclear plant DUH!
“Remember… as far as anyone knows we’re a nice normal family…”
– Homer Simpson
Mmmmmmm.everything is glowing……..
Ain’t a damn thing I can do about it. Therefore its out of my control and its something I’ve already dismissed. Gone onto something else that deserves my attention….see ya!
Just think that the first half life of some isotopes radiating unchecked from Fukushima is four times the age of the Egyptian pyramids. When I was a kid witnessing mushroom clouds growing above ground the powers said that there was no safe level of radiological contamination, period. Well, apparently, now there is. And interestingly enough the reported acceptable level of contamination keeps rising as the sizzle continues unchecked. I guess it is go until you glow now. We couldn’t stop the nuclear industry then anymore than we can stop the chemical industry now.
You better not have any old world pudding with your Christmas diner without first checking it in a dark room to see if it glows. \scm\
Off topic:
I made my first brick of hard cheese. After months of reading and collecting supplies and waiting for cooler weather I made a Romano cheese, it will be ready to eat in about 10 months. I’ll make a second brick in a day or two then I’ll try to make some cheddar.
My thinking is that some of the hard cheese takes so long to mature that it’s like having a prep.
I chose to wait until the fall to make the cheese because it needs to age in a cool temperature and the best I can do for now is a shelf in a spare room that doesn’t get any heating. If I get into cheese making then I’l build an above ground root cellar.
The New Madrid is a massive concern, but so is the east coast. Forget about the myth about the Canary Islands causing a 150 foot+ tsunami, won’t happen. The northeast section of the Caribbean plate is not. It has been about 600 years since this section broke, and when it does it causes a widespread Atlantic ocean tsunami. It won’t be hundreds of feet tall, but it sure could be 25 to 30 feet tall within 1500-2000 miles away from the break if enough of the fault went. I can count at least 6-8 nuke plants that could face a worse than Fukushima situation because there is NO real safeguard against Atlantic Ocean tsunamis.
It is sickening what the English news did to the dangers of the Atlantic Ocean tsunamis by not doing some serious research on the volume of water that has to be moved to cause a mega tsunami. It takes collosal force, like a small moon hitting the ocean with velocity to produce such a tsunami. People even more so ignore the true dangers of most tsunamis, mega thrust faults such as the one in the Caribbean. Just like in the Indian Ocean, there are no tsunami warning systems. We know what happened with the Indonesian 9.1, 250,000 to 300,000 dead, mainly because of no tsunami warning system.
Those nuclear power plants might have storm protective walls, but not tsunami. Even the San Onofre power plant in california has a 25 foot tsuanmi wall. Not tall enough but at least it is something. When you watch these videos of the Japanese tsunami or others it is not just like a big wave at a beach. A tsunami is like a very fast flash flood, 25-35 mph, and any nuke power plant would not stand much of a chance.
There is a good chance in the coming days of a very large earthquake because of the very high activity of outer plate boundaries. These divergent points on the plates are going wild. Just like before the largest deep focus quake ever recorded, the 8.1 in Soloman Islands earlier this year, and the other 7.5+ quakes that have occurred the past 18 months. This time the earthquakes on these precursor locations are stronger. All signs point to something quite big. Yes, Japan is in one of these danger zones. Toyko getting its 8+ earthquake, that is overdue, would hit the economic world very hard.
It just is amazing to me that these nuclear power plants are not well fortified against disasters and terror attacks. It seems like ONLY after something has happened does the idiot even try to protect what is vulnerable. I guess that one issue of lack of preparedness and thinking ahead will be one of the reasons that help bring down the human civilization.
Something else I noticed, but forgot to mention earlier:
The ‘new seat’ of government is allegedly located in Denver, CO. If you take a look around, it’s not near any oceans, nuclear power plants and is shielded from the west via the Rocky Mts. The only lynch pin is Mother nature with the Yellowstone caldera north west in WY. 😉
DIA (Denver Airport) is located FAR outside the city with nothing around it for quite a ways. That means there is no stealth approach to that facility on the ground, anyways. Coincidence? Possibly, but kind of doubt it.
Socrates:
Check out ‘sinister sites’. You will find the Denver Airport there. I flew into there; was glad to fly back out.
There is really something over the top going on in Colorado.
TPTB are going to shut down the nuke power plants just before they drop the hammer on us, they want some place to live. Now as for a natural disaster they have no control over these. Last is an EMP and here again no control over any that may be launched on us by outside sources, but we all know they may EMP us themselves who knows. My fear is earthquake. Be it natural or manmade we have no say in it; just being prepared for what may come our way is all we can truly do.
EMP wont do shit. Earthquakes can f up the piping.
Hey, whats with all the testosterone and steroid ads with women’s titties hanging out. Shouldnt these be on the MSM and NPR sites where the girley men need it? I have enough trouble concentrating on topic when the wind shifts and I dont need the extra distractions… besides, they are too young.
LOL That’s funny shit right there. Thanks!
Too funny. LOL
Adds new meaning to the phrase, “A good stiff breeze”.
They sure do know how to “strike a pose” though. Gets my eye everytime. Amazing how predictable the male mind is.
Off topic, but, I agree with his guy:
In the Great Smoky Mountain National Park in Tennessee, rangers shut down Foothill Parkway, a major thoroughfare used by School Bus 49 to shuttle kids to school from the small community of Top of the World, causing a frustrated Blount County Mayor Ed Mitchell to tell Fox News: “We were founded on a Declaration of Independence. And they are about to push the people to the line again.”
http://www dot csmonitor dot com/USA/Politics/2013/1008/Defying-government-shutdown-national-park-visitors-play-catch-me-if-you-can/(page)/2
Off topic… For you TOR users on the blog…
NSA tracks Google ads to find Tor users
The National Security Agency uses a bit of jiu-jitsu to turn the structure of Web ad networks against people who run Tor to remain anonymous. Link below.
Off topic…
NSA tracks Google ads to find Tor users
The National Security Agency uses a bit of jiu-jitsu to turn the structure of Web ad networks against people who run Tor to remain anonymous.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57606178-83/nsa-tracks-google-ads-to-find-tor-users/?tag=nl.e757&s_cid=e757&ttag=e757&ftag=CAD2e9d5b9
For anyone doubting the shear power of a tsunami from ONLY a 9.0 earthquake, check out this footage that was filmed LIVE in Japan 2 years ago. It is called Incredible HD footage of Japan Tsunami.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2hUwFo6Vpc
Earthquakes can reach mid 9 range, with extremely rare exceptions the higher 9 pointers. I can’t see too many nuclear power plants by the coast even beginning to survive something like this. Fukushima didn’t.
Another problem to think about is that many of these eastern nuclear power plants are only rated to survive up to a mid 6 earthquake. Whereever you have mountains, you have the capacity of an earthquake reaching 7+ because even ancient faults that created these mountains still have the potential to move a lot suddenly. Especially if the North American plate or in other areas of the world are jarred enough. Still the movement of water is one of the most destructive forces that there is. Water weighs a lot. Another issue that is quite possible a major danger to nuclear power plants away from the coast is just simple flooding from too much rain. Like the recent 1000, 5000 year floods the country and world are experiencing.
Solar Activity Notification:
Less than 25 minutes ago a Solar Flare reaching a magnitude M-2.8 peaked and is currently in-progress. The genitive region here appears to be – by SolarHam’s estimation – proximally, NOAA 1864-1865. As yet it is too early to characterize the behaviour of this flare as Impulsive or Long Duration. More to follow as, or when, warranted.
JOG
@ JOG… How would you block microwaves from the sun? Dirt, steel ?
Pippa, show us your head lights.
Cutting back S.S.
Cutting back food stamps.
Cutting off disability checks for veterans.
Cutting back family allowances for soldiers’ families.
Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS this center cost the tax payer?
forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/07/the-nsas-hugely-expensive-utah-data-center-has-major-electrical-problems-and-basically-isnt-working/
Well, this is good news for those with privacy concerns about the NSA and terrible news for those concerned about government spending. The National Security Agency’s new billion-dollar-plus data center in Bluffdale, Utah was supposed to go online in September, but the Wall Street Journal’s Siobhan Gorman reports that it has major electrical problems and that the facility known as “the country’s biggest spy center” is presently nearly unusable:
“Chronic electrical surges at the massive new data-storage facility central to the National Security Agency’s spying operation have destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of machinery and delayed the center’s opening for a year, according to project documents and current and former officials.
There have been 10 meltdowns in the past 13 months that have prevented the NSA from using computers at its new Utah data-storage center, slated to be the spy agency’s largest, according to project documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal
Ain’t karma a bitch.
have not commented for a long time…fact is i had almost given up on a major event taking place that would cause patriots to stand up and take action…it is beginning to look like it is just about time to put on our big girl panties and look out for our familes…pray for the children.
JayJay, that’s a very interesting article on the new NSA facility. The feds can’t even have a working spy center. This is one time I’m glad to see karma being a bitch.
Bwahahahaha….
Yes, Karma IS a bitch, and she takes no prisoners…
First Obamacare meltdown, then this…
and we’re gonna let this crowd of Keystone cops run our healthcare?
(This is simple stuff folks… designing a web site for millions of client connections? Google does it every day. Building a data center that uses a lot of power? I’ve done it, it ain’t ‘rocket science’. But, here is what the new education system has bought you. Engineers and technicians who are half trained, and corrupt politics runs the show. Get ready to rumble.)
Love it. Thanks.
Walmart– a company that serves millions online– service has been down..uh..how many times??
I can recall no such event.
Alright Judge., if you say so
If im legally dead , I aint paying shit!..no support, and…hahaha fucker..no more TAXES!
oh and get this you dumb fuck, I aint paying your court costs either..’cause Im dead
really , people with law degrees are this dam dumb..no wonder were in the mess were in..were surrounded by brain dead LAWYERS..and they are running this government
cant make this shit up
http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2013/Oct/08/ar_news_100813_story2.asp?d=100813_story2,2013,Oct,08&c=n
This country has lost control of the border
A 19-year old illegal alien Sergio Garcia beat and raped a 93-year old woman in her South Omaha, Nebraska home. The details of the attack are simply horrific. His victim Louise A. Sollowin, died at the Nebraska Medical Center.
It is a crime that should — immediately – STOP any talk of “immigration reform”, “KIDS Act” or “DREAM Act” in the Congress.
It is a despicable crime that should — once and for all — show all Americans the devastating human cost of our broken immigration enforcement system — and that this cost extends far from our border states into the very heartland of America.
Hillary for prison 2016!
Hillary Clinton, fired at the age of 27 as a lawyer during the Watergate Scandal for unethical behavior and lying to the House Committee doing the investigation and was refused a letter of recommendation. Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham and said in an interview – Fired because she was a liar, she was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality. She was also a total failure as a Secretary of State and lied about Benghazi. How could anybody support this person knowing she is a liar! Liberals could care less about the type of person they would have represent our country!
Not sure what this has to do with a nuclear site, but hell yea! Can’t stand the bitch and how in the hell do these people continue to lead sheep? We are some dumb mofos in this country.
sorry GTL, I have already made my on point comment way up there..I kinda roll with what ever pisses me off or comes to mind, I don’t mean to distract people from the article at hand but none of what I post do I consider off topic when it comes to the situations were dealing with
please bear with me..or bear arms,, just not against me
ok?
VRF:
You don’t owe an apology to anyone. Just keep posting. Off topic posts also help us become more aware that our situation here in America is becoming more dire every day.
No one can keep up with all the “craziness” that is going on around us; but by posting what each one of us “sees” out there we are all better informed.
KY mom is great about digging out articles that we all need to see. Be informed keeps us up to date with articles that I never see.
No apologies needed. The more informed we are the wider “awake” we all become.
Thanks POG
I try to contribute as much as I can and what I see, hoping it will wake up more people, and to those of us awake , show them my point of view, and what I find out there on the web
I know I can be abrasive at times,(my flaw to live with) I try not to personally attack anyone..Im just pissed that were all getting screwed without the lube and sad that its come this far
One more thing:
From a Wall Street Journal article; quote from Harry Ruth, lead Watergate prosecutor, “The Clinton’s corrupted the SOUL of the DEMOCRAT party”.
eohistory.indo/2013/hillaryhistory.htm
This article gives you a clear picture of Hillary’s history even through the Benghazi hearings.
Hey, I am all for a good, well intended tangential subject sometimes. I often make them myself on this site. (as long it is not the old “zionist, jew, hate everything, everybody BS that is. Those commenters get old quick whatever their point is.)
VRF:
From the richest.com
Hilliary Clinton 21.5 million
Source of riches: POLITICS!
Gonetoolong:
Hillary belongs on a “nuclear site” because she is the head of a “nuclear” disease that has exploded over the American republic.
This nuclear disease infests the body; causing it to lie, cheat, and steal; and for some reason propels the person infected into politics; where it is allowed to fester for years.
The American public needs to insist that the CDC (Center for Disease Control) needs immediately come up with a vaccine to erradicate this disease forever.
IT IS KILLING OUR REPUBLIC!
There are of course ways to HARDEN against EMP. Is it the assumption of this article that our nuclear facilities haven’t been hardened as such?
Hard to believe.
Matthew-
Nuclear reactors have all kinds of redundancy and ‘failsafe’ mechanisms. The large backup diesel generators on site are not one of them. They are for all purposes, diesel train engines located in an outbuilding(and just as loud)that use standard electrical starting equipment, just like the diesel train.
They are not hardened in any way shape or form against EMP that I have seen. Most of them being located next to the ocean is also a BAD thing, as Japan (and the world)now knows. Unless you have evidence to the contrary about those gen units not being EMP hardened, this is a major area of concern…or at least it should be. And again…it’s NOT just the reactors that are a problem…it’s all of the spent fuel pools that pose a major risk. Sometimes I really hate knowing things…
its “hard to believe” our government would fuck us like this, yet it is happening everyday.
does that help you any?
Two things of most importance… the truckers strike is 2 days away…starting to get national attention as they are going to Washington D.C. Here is their website: http://www.ridefortheconstitution.org And the movie, Molon Labe is available now as a dvd…they updated the trailer of the movie…so please go to their website and view the “trailer”… I think there are going to be public showings at theaters.. perhaps free…but the dvd is available, they say, now. http://www.molon.us/ or http://www.molon.us/dvd/ It is about the 2nd amendment and the right of the people to “bear arms”.. it will be very educational…
Liberals are asking us to give Obama time
this is the first time I have agreed with a liberal
I say yes lets give him time
lets give him 25 to life!
This one happened in July of LAST YEAR, and only now we hear about it! And when Fukushima let go- back in March of last year- every single report from there has been an outright fabrication! (It took Tepco 3 months, to finally admit that three reactors had melted down! And they are still not telling the truth about what is ongoing there.
Back in the early 1960s, an English writer named Nevil Shute published a book named ON THE BEACH, (they made a movie with that title, but read the book instead). Because the world learned NOTHING. Prepare yourself- because the next one takes you!
What if those nuclear sites are the only reason we haven’t been EMP’d at this point??
Not that big a deal. We shouldn’t panic over a non-disaster. Except for a tsunami, nuclear power has proven to be safe. Compare that to all the people dead or dying from black lung or dead from coal mine cave-ins.
There is a great source of iodine at wateroz dot com. If you use the promo code 30888 you will get a 10% discount, but it has to be called in. There are also many other great supplements for your body. Be healthy!!!