Bring It On: I Will Not Comply with Obamacare

by | Oct 6, 2013 | Headline News | 388 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Editor’s Note: Millions of Americans are trying to figure out what to do following the launch of the Affordable Care Act and its broad implications for our economy, liberty, and our personal financial well being. Our friend Daisy Luther of The Organic Prepper has an idea. It’s one that the majority of you will likely agree with. What if we all decide NOT TO COMPLY? What if we simply refuse to participate? Daisy discusses why we should do this, how to go about it, and the threats we face from a government hell-bent on enforcing their mandates on the American people by way of the barrel of a gun. Not “no”, Mr. President – But, HELL NO.


    I will not comply with Obamacare.

    There. I said it.

    I am unequivocally not going to be complying with Obamacare.

    I also won’t be purchasing health insurance at 4 times the regular price, nor will I participate in the government-funded “exchange” for “affordable” healthcare.

    Now, first, let me be clear – this isn’t because I’d be paying $20,000 per year for the crappiest coverage. In reality, Obamacare and the subsidies my family is eligible for would make the cost incredibly reasonable – but that is not the point.

    The point is this: I am an American, and as such, I refuse to be forced to purchase anything else. I have already been forced to have car insurance, forced to purchase annually the “privilege” of driving via a license and having a (paid-for) car on the road via a license plate, and forced to pay taxes on my income and every purchase that I make.

    When I moved back home to America after living in Canada, I never expected to be subjected to government coercion on this grand scale. I will not comply. The government is fond of saying that they will not negotiate with terrorists. Well, neither will I – and the US government under the reign of Barack Obama is the biggest terrorist organization around. 

    Michael Rivero of What Really Happened gives the best explanation I’ve seen for why the government is so intent that everyone must participate in this program. They have run the country into the ground and want to force us all to pay as they vainly struggle to keep things afloat. This is a last ditch effort – the only alternative is economic collapse.

    Obama’s utter refusal to compromise or delay Obamacare is more than mere political grandstanding. Obama has to prove he can continue to make the payments on the government debt. Now, based on reports we are getting form people who did sign up for Obamacare, they are being offered policies that cost about $500 a month, and have a deductible in the tens of thousands. That means that for the vast majority of Americans, they will be paying $500 month for insurance that will in fact pay none of their medical costs. So, $500 a month is $6000 a year times 200 million complying Americans equals $1.2 trillion a year pouring into the Health Insurance companies as pure profit, of which the US Government gets almost $200 billion in taxes (plus the IRS fines on those who refuse to sign up). And THAT is why Obama is demanding that Obamacare move forward now, despite a totally botched computer management system and despite 71% public opposition. Absent that new cash flow, the US Government will collapse, and the one year delay proposed by the House of Representatives is far to long to survive without some new source of loot from the public. (source)

    It’s clear that our non-compliance in large numbers could stop this madness. We just have to say, “No.  I will not comply.”

    Why is this such a big deal?

    There are numerous reasons for my planned non-compliance.

    1.) People who make more money than I do should not be forced to subsidize my health care. I have no desire for a handout and this is assuredly a handout. One of my closest friends will be paying over $15,000 per year for a family of 5. With the small amount that I’d pay for my family, it is quite clear that my friend, and others like him, would be paying for us. I have always paid my own bills and don’t expect others to take up my slack. I am not a welfare case.

    2.) Despite the fact that my family is apparently far before the poverty level, we don’t feel poor. We have everything we need and some of what we want. I budget carefully in order to be able to pay for things like the emergency trip to the dentist for my daughter last week. My child wears nice clothes to school, always has enough to eat and seems to feel that she has the same privileges and possessions as her friends do.

    3.) This is going to delete the middle class. Once the wheels are truly in motion, there will no longer be a middle class. Everyone will be dirt poor or well-to-do. There won’t be any middle ground, as average folks watch their expenses skyrocket. Soon people will be forced to make the choice between Obamacare and food.

    4.) This is just another way to make the populace dependent on the benevolence of government. Much like the push to put people on food stamps, what better way to make people dependent than to force them to accept this type of assistance? If private health insurance continues to spiral wildly, then almost no one will be able to afford health care without Obamacare.

    5.) This is an assault on my medical privacy. Does the government need to know a person is depressed? If a woman skipped a mammogram that they feel is vital? That someone might have opted for an “alternative” treatment? If they have an STD? If they have a sexual dysfunction? NO. It directly violates the doctor-patient privilege. Furthermore, data has already been leaked and the system isn’t even live yet – all sorts of non-medical-professionals will have access to my personal information, both medical and financial.

    6.) I’m not having my family’s health care decisions made by other people. What happens when I refuse to vaccinate my children? Right now, that is my choice, but when someone else is paying for it, will I still have the option to say no? I always opt for the least chemical, least invasive treatments possible, but when someone else pulls the strings will that still be an option? If I refuse treatment will they refuse payment? Will I no longer be allowed to leave my home during flu season if I don’t get the flu shot?

    What are the ramifications of non-compliance?

    Noncompliance with Obamacare has harsh penalties. The government wants you to feel as though you have no choice whether or not you participate. The scare tactics are already operational, as one man found when he attempted to opt out of the online sign up.

    A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the Facebook page. (source)

    If you refuse to comply, here are some of the potential punishments you could be subject to, according to a Senate research document called The PPACA Penalty Provision and the Internal Revenue Service.

    #1. You will be assessed a penalty by the IRS on your tax bill. You will be told to pay the fine and will not receive any retroactive health care coverage – in other words, you get nothing for your money.

    If you skip the insurance, you’ll pay a penalty. For 2014 the fine is $95 for an individual or 1 percent of your income, whichever is greater, along with $47.50 per uninsured child, maxing out at $285 for the year.

    But by 2016, an individual would pay $695 or 2.5 percent of your income.

    The TurboTax website has a calculator to help you determine how high a penalty you’d pay.

    Without insurance, you’d also face a double whammy. By 2016 you’d be forking over almost $700 to the federal government and having nothing to show for it, and still have to pay your own medical bills if you’re injured or become ill. (source)

    #2. If you, like me, refuse to pay that penalty, they’ll up the stakes  by withdrawing the penalty from any tax refund that you are due.

    #3. If you aren’t due for a tax refund that they can seize, and you still refuse to pay the penalty, the next step might be for the IRS to pursue the penalty in the same way they would any non-payment of taxes.

    Section 5000A(g)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) states that “the penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary.” Subject to certain exceptions, the penalty is to be assessed and collected in the same way as assessable penalties. Assessable penalties generally are assessed and collected in the same manner as taxes.15 (source)

    #4. This could include “silent” liens on your property which you wouldn’t even know about until you tried to sell something big like your home or your car.

    Once the tax is assessed, the taxpayer will receive a Notice and Demand for Payment, which will advise the taxpayer of the balance due—the sum of the assessed tax plus interest and applicable penalties—and request payment in full within ten days. If such payment is not made, a federal tax lien will be created under § 6321 of the IRC.18 This is often referred to as a silent lien because, at this point, there has been no notice of federal tax lien (NFTL). Without notice, the IRS’s claim against property still takes priority over most other claims; however, certain claims would be superior to the IRS claim. These include a subsequent purchaser of the property as well as holders of security interests, mechanic’s liens, or judgments, even if they arise later in time.

    Generally an individual taxpayer may receive up to 3 more notices requesting payment. The last of these notices is sent by certified mail and is a notice of the IRS’s intent to levy the taxpayer’s assets to satisfy the tax debt. This notice also advises delinquent taxpayers that the IRS may file a NFTL if payment is not made within thirty days. If none of these notices results in payment or a payment arrangement,20 in most cases the account is then transferred to the IRS’s Automated Collection System (ACS) (source)

    #5. Next they could potentially empty your bank account and take your property and sell it out from under you.

    Thirty days after providing a Final Notice of Intent to Levy and Notice of Your Right to Appeal, the IRS may levy the taxpayer’s property, both real and personal.22 This means that wages may be garnished until the tax is paid in full. All funds in a bank account that are available for withdrawal on the date the levy is received by the bank may be taken.23 In some cases, the IRS may sell property belonging to the taxpayer after providing public notice and advising the taxpayer of the minimum bid price. (source)

    #6. No mention is made of taking away your driver’s license, but if you happen to be a federal contractor things could get hairy.

    Delinquency in federal taxes is a ground for debarment of a federal contractor. However, debarment is not an automatic process and requires that the contracting agency initiate debarment proceedings against a government contractor. (source)

    #7. But maybe they won’t really do it. According to the PPACA, the IRS cannot go further than the silent liens for this particular penalty.

    Section 5000A(g)(2) of the IRC limits the means the IRS may employ to collect the penalty established in the section. First, the taxpayer is protected from either criminal prosecution or penalty for failure to pay the penalty. Second, the IRS is prohibited from either filing a NFTL or levying any property in an effort to collect the penalty. There is no prohibition, however, on establishing a statutory lien against the taxpayer’s property under § 6321. No additional limits are placed on the IRS using correspondence or phone calls, either through its own employees or through private collection agencies, in an effort to collect the amount owed. Additionally, no restriction was placed on the IRS’s ability to use the refund offset as a means of collecting the amount due.

    Those who are required to pay the penalty for failure to maintain minimum coverage but choose not to do so will be subject to increases in the amount owed due to interest and late payment penalties imposed on the penalty after it has been assessed by the IRS. The IRS may impose interest on tax, including penalties, under § 6601(a), (e)(2), and it may impose penalties under § 6651(a)(3).

    A taxpayer who chooses not to pay the required penalty may ultimately forfeit more than the amount ofthe penalty if that taxpayer is ever in the position of having an overpayment to the IRS for any reason, since the refund offset applies not only to overpayments shown on original tax returns, but also to any subsequent adjustments, for example an audit by the IRS that results in an overpayment. Further, as explained above, it is possible that the IRS could present its claim when property is being sold and collect both the original penalty amount along with accrued interest and applicable penalties. (source)

    I’m not a lawyer, but it appears to me that, according to this federal document, the absolute worst case scenario is that you would be assessed penalties on your penalties and the only way they could collect those would be if you sold your home or car. The trustworthiness of both the government and the arm of enforcement for this, the IRS, are dubious, but according to the codes that I am reading, that looks like the ultimate allowable collection strong-arm tactic. (You might still want to consider only letting minimum amounts of money remain in your bank accounts, however.)

    Join me in saying no.

    no-obamacareSo, Obama regime, bring it on. I’m not just saying no, Mr. President.  But HELL, no.

    I am ready and waiting for the assaults from the IRS. I understand that within a period of time, I won’t be able to sell any large items that I have paid for – and that is fine – I would prefer to give them away than to pay this blood money. I have read the penalties and realize what I’m in for. I also know how other people who have said no have been treated – the IRS auditors are released like stealth weapons, destroying lives, shutting down accounts, and seizing property in order to make an example out of the resistor.

    However, I’m done. I will not be forced anymore. I don’t really care what the Supreme Court says – I have also read the Constitution, and no place in it does it contain the phrase, “Participation in Obamacare is your duty as an American.” Mike Adams of Natural News referred to this as “unlimited theft and confiscation.” And he’s right.

    I’ve started a page on Facebook called We Will Not Comply with Obamacare, where I can pass on all of the information I come across regarding noncompliance with Obamacare. Please join me there if you have a social media account. Based on the figures that Michael Rivero put forth, the refusal of a small percentage of us to participate in this extortion could throw a giant cog in the wheels of this plan. If we have learned anything about resistance over the last few years, it is that the power of social media can be an enormous factor in educating the public and letting the government and large corporations know that our voices will be heard.

    Sometimes revolution can be as simple as stating a calm and unwavering, “No. I will not comply.”


    Don’t forget to join and follow the We Will Not Comply With Obamacare Facebook Page.


    Daisy Luther is a freelance writer and editor.  Her website, The Organic Prepper, offers information on healthy prepping, including premium nutritional choices, general wellness and non-tech solutions. You can follow Daisy on Facebook and Twitter, and you can email her at [email protected]Feel free to share this article in part or in full, giving credit to the author and including a link to this website and the following bio.


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      1. Well said Daisy!!! It was passed based on false promises.

        The Top Obamacare Myths
        Myth #1. If you like your health insurance, you can keep it.
        Reality: Many Americans, due to Obamacare, will LOSE their health insurance.

        Despite the promises made about Obamacare, many Americans are already learning that they are losing their health insurance due to the new law. Many families with health savings accounts (HSAs), mini-med plans, Medicare Advantage, and child-only policies have already lost their health insurance.

        Scott Gotlieb, “No You Can’t Keep Your Insurance,” Wall Street Journal,

        Myth #2. You can keep your doctor.
        Reality: With Obamacare, you may NOT be able to keep your doctor.

        President Obama repeatedly promised that people would be able to keep their doctor. The sad truth, however, is that doctors are retiring early to avoid the full impact of Obamacare.

        The Wall Street Journal “Obamacare Arrives,”

        Myth #3. Your health insurance premiums will go down.
        Reality: Your insurance premiums will likely INCREASE.
        One of the most common promises made about ObamaCare was that it would lead to lower health insurance premiums,
        In reality, the opposite has proven true. The RAND Corporation estimates that young people will end up paying at least 17% more in health insurance costs.

        Avik Roy, “Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Average Individual Market Insurance ” Forbes Magazine

        Myth #4. Obamacare is budget neutral.
        Reality: Obamacare has a HUGE price tag.

        In order to pass Obamacare in 2010, the Democrats in Congress used several budget gimmicks to reduce the expected cost of Obamacare. The gimmicks they employed included double-counting savings from Medicare and the CLASS Act, as well as indexing benefits to general inflation rather than medical inflation. Once those gimmicks are eliminated, the true cost of Obamacare is close to $2.6 trillion.

        Kathryn Nix, “Top 10 Disasters of Obamacare,” Heritage Foundation, March 30, 2010.

        Myth #5. Obamacare will provide insurance for everyone and provide “universal coverage.”
        Reality: Tens of millions of Americans will be without insurance.

        Democrats in Congress said that Obamacare was necessary to provide universal coverage. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that 31 million people will still be without health insurance, even after the law is fully implemented.

        The Heritage Foundation:

        Myth #6. Obamacare is a “jobs bill.”
        Reality: Obamacare is DESTROYING the 40-hour workweek and killing our economy.

        Then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi famously said that Obamacare would be a jobs bill, creating 4 million jobs. The reality? Rather than creating jobs, Obamacare has forced employers to make drastic labor cuts, laying people off and also slashing hours. Other employers, faced with huge Obamacare taxes and fines, are moving their plants and operations overseas.

        The Guardian:

        • And don’t forget all of the changes this piece of crap POTUS made to this AFTER it was law…should be null and void as far as I am concerned.

          Wolverines!!!! Oh, and Pressurecooker!

            • Geez, thanks. This SCARY LIST sounds like a summary of KARL MARX’s MANIFESTO. 🙁

              Obamacare also includes the tax on gold which has nothing to do with Obamacare as experts complain about, “The NON-Affordable Care Act.”

              Also Obamacare goes through a third party (AARP) and basically, your politicians force you to buy insurances, while AARP gets paid + commission when you buy. 🙁

              Just like everything else either by hook or by crook.
              And if that doesn’t work they do it by force, this article says it all. 🙁


              Here’re a few quotes from the author:

              #4. This could include “silent” liens on your property which you wouldn’t even know about until you tried to sell something big like your home or your car.

              #5. Next they could potentially empty your bank account and take your property and sell it out from under you

              • “””The point is this: I am an American, and as such, I refuse to be forced to purchase anything else. I have already been forced to have car insurance, forced to purchase annually the “privilege” of driving via a license and having a (paid-for) car on the road via a license plate, and forced to pay taxes on my income and every purchase that I make.”””

                In reality, you have been forced to do nothing, but have been coerced into volunteering for the sake of convenience.

                With the idea it is OK to be forced to purchase some things, your not being willing to be forced to comply with a similar requirement is a little hypocritical.

                If you want to make a statement that can be heard, quit being or feeling forced to buy any of it. What’s the penalty for driving without a license or a plate or insurance?

                A fine of 10% of the cost of insurance and less than a license plate? Will they suspend what you do not have? They can’t take your property without a jury trial, if you push the issue.

                Go all in, or go home. Millions of people going all in will be heard.

                Millions of people disregarding Obamacare will accomplish nothing because they will just find other ways to steal it. Millions of people refusing to register themselves and their property would let the corp goons know where they stand.

                And it just may spawn the freedom that has been lost for so long behind the corporate curtain.

                When enough people say no to EVERYTHING, things will change. Till then, expect more of the same. Each act of theft will be from those dumb enough to volunteer their property to be stolen.

                Me, I’m all in.

                • God’s Creation: No, you’ve been coerced, not forced. You wrote those checks for your insurance and driver’s/vehicle licenses, it wasn’t just taken from your bank account. Failure to do so simply means you’d be driving like many folks w/o these things who get into accidents or pulled over for various violations every day-your car towed and impounded with a ticket to appear for not having said items. It happens to hundreds, if not a few thousand, every day across this country to folks who are living on the financial edge and chose not to pay for theses things. They are willing to take their chances. Many get away with it for years. I knew a fellow who kept his expired New Jersey plates on his (old) car for several years here in Florida just to avoid these payments. It all depends on what your willing to risk.

                  • Anybody who is not happy with Obamacare please contact one of its’ proud primary authors Senator Patty Murray. She feels she did you all a service. Please let her know what you think about her work on your behalf! I will warn you she is buddies with the big O. But she should hear from you all first hand since it is her words and thoughts that will affect your lives and your families. Please contact her. Just type her name in your search engine and she is easily contacted.

                  • I have been denied the RIGHT to drive for six years and counting. My license was suspended and then revoked in Alabama for speeding, no insurance, and driving while suspended. There is and was no possibility of obtaining any kind of hearing or to challenge or contest it in any way. The initial term of revocation was supposed to be three years (over in 2011), but every time I get pulled over and ticketed it’s another 6 months, end of story. So here I am six years later with no end in sight, cause how the fuck am I supposed to live without a vehicle?

                    Over the past 10 years I have paid probably $20,000+ in fines and fees into the state’s coffers. I recently had to sue the Director of “Public Safety” in Alabama, at a cost of $1,500 in order to have the revocation overturned. Now my license is officially (temporarily) considered valid in Alabama, but this is useless to me here in Michigan…as THIS state claims I owe them $6,000 in “Driver Responsibility Fees”, which must be paid in order to have my “Michigan license” (which I never applied or asked for) to be reinstated. Without a Michigan license, I can’t even get Michigan insurance if I wanted. And without insurance I can’t even get a tag.

                    I am a gearhead who absolutely loves hot rodding. I own two Mustangs which I can’t even drive cause every cop in town knows I don’t have a license. Can you imagine what it feels like to be absolutely DENIED not only a basic right, but a hobby that one loves? So I have to drive my beat up old pickup truck which doesn’t even get a second look, despite it still having the same license plate from when I bought it seven years ago.

                    So how do I feel about this? This government has made me their implacable enemy. I WILL NOT comply. I WILL NOT give them a dollar more. I WILL FUCKING NOT buy ANY insurance, ever. I WILL continue to drive, and there isn’t a fucking thing these fascist shitheads can do to stop me. FUCK these pathetic pieces of shit. I will FIGHT AND KILL for this to become a free country again. I will FIGHT AND KILL for my RIGHT to drive. I can’t wait til shit starts going down and these parasites come to my house looking to take. I CAN’T WAIT to start putting bullets in these stupid, worthless mother fuckers.

                • Creation:
                  I feel your pain, but I too have to pay for all of this. Driving a vehicle is not a right it is a privilege. As for all privileges you have to pay for them. I wish it was different but that is the way it is. If you want to dance you have to pay the piper.
                  You make some very good points. The reason that everything is so high is because the true mopes out there UNLIKE ( you care about your fellow man) don’t care about their fellow man they are just in it to get what they can get, and that is why everything is so DAMN expensive. I agree with you on most of your points, and I know how to fix it. I just don’t want to see it come to that!!

                  • “””You wrote those checks for your insurance and driver’s/vehicle licenses”””

                    I do not have ANY of those things, because a free man does not need a license to live or travel.

                    The first paragraph was cut from Daisy’s article. She has paid for those things, but refuses to pay more. Only when the people refuse to pay any of it will freedom see the light of day.

                  • Sarge, I have not paid for any of it in several years now, because a free man needs no license and I choose to be free.

                    “”Driving a vehicle is not a right it is a privilege””

                    The right to travel the public roadways in the conveyance of the day is a natural right, not a privilege. It becomes a privilege upon using the highways for profit.

                    Both driving and vehicle are commercial terms used in statutes. They do not include any car, truck, or automobile used for private purposes.

                    When people believe a right has been changed to a privilege, or can be, the end of all rights is the inevitable result.

                    That false belief is the reason we are where we are as a band of privileged slaves.

                    Freedom is still a choice, but it has been made very inconvenient to pursue. But not impossible for those willing to make it.

                  • No you stupid asshole, driving is a FUCKING RIGHT. If you don’t believe me ask the GODDAMN SUPREME COURT. Stop apologizing for the fascists. WAKE UP

                • I see the Commie Trolls are down thumbing, all Responses as Expected ! I say to Them Fuk off and Die!

                  • God’s Creation: Let me get this straight; you don’t have a registered vehicle? Well that’s wonderful, but you’d do well to stay out of towns and off of public roadways were cops are just looking for reasons to give tickets to get money for their cash strapped communities. You can spout all that stuff to the cops but if they’ve been federally trained you’ll be seen as a “Sovereign Citizen” type and they WILL draw down on you because there have been a number of shootings with these types. The Kehoe brothers in Ohio in 1997 was the first big one; James Wesley, Rawles book “Patriots” has this story loosely told in chapter 6, with a different outcome. In 2010 in West Memphis Arkansas, a sovereign citizen father-son team shot and killed two cops and were themselves latter killed in a shootout. The SPLC along with the BATFE and FBI have been training cops nationwide on these “resisters” who don’t feel the need for licenses, registrations, and insurance and who won’t recognize police authority. So you can rant all you want here but if you try that crap with a cop that’s been trained, you’ll end up dead, or at the very least, in jail with your vehicle impounded and some court fines. And if you don’t pay the fines, they’ll issue a warrant and lock you up again because they need the money and they need to show that they can crush resisters. Each encounter will be SWAT like because you’ll be marked as a “violent resister”. Lots of luck with that strategy pal. Me, I’m keeping my mouth shut and my head down because I want to be free WTSHTF, not dead or in jail. A smart man pick when and where to fight, but the best battle is the one that never has to be fought.

                  • G8,

                    Why are you so afraid? Keep your head down and be a good little slave. Sounds like a good plan if you wish to perpetuate your slavery, and that of everyone else in the country.

                    Some of us just refuse to comply with their commercial system because it does not allow for freedom or respect the Law of the Land, only control by criminals. I am not a Sovereign Citizen. I am Man and a constitutional American Citizen, the sovereignty part is built into the Law.

                    In the event I ever do get stopped, I will do what is required to protect myself, and that does not involve shooting anyone. A small crack in the window to slide my identification through is all that will be needed. They say ALL I have to say.

                    If that is not enough and the “officer” in question feels a need to exert unnecessary force against me, that will be his choice. If he wants to write a ticket, he can slide it through the same crack in my window and I will deal with it later.

                    I will simply stay within the protective confines of my truck no matter what. It is paid in full and private property not engaged in commerce. With my HD camera filming every bit of it, and making calls to the local news and a few other folks while the criminals plan and commit their crimes against me.

                    My identification documents politely inform the officer of my intent to peacefully vacate the scene and carry on with my private business in 5 minutes from the time he is handed the Notarized identity documents, unless I am placed under arrest and an injured victim brought forward. They also inform him that he is being recorded and possibly streamed to You Tube in real time. He should be far more scared of the truth of what he is doing than of me.

                    Whether or not he violates the law from that point on is up to him. I have done all I am required to do by identifying myself through state validated documents that place me outside of his commercial jurisdiction.

                    And don’t associate me with idiots like your examples of whacked out nut jobs highlighted by the SPLC, which is nothing more than a propaganda outfit. Some random idiots go and shoot up schools, others go and shoot at cops when they violate their rights. That says nothing about anyone other than the perpetrators of those crimes, and certainly not 99.9% of those of us who stand up and claim their birthright.

                    While 3 cops may have been killed by those nut jobs, 100,000 people will be killed this year by their doctors. They should be much more afraid of them than me.

                    I am peaceful, but will claim and enforce my rights, and hold accountable those who would deny them. They will get a jury trial first as the Law requires, and then I will collect from them for their crimes against me.

                    “And if you don’t pay the fines, they’ll issue a warrant and lock you up again because they need the money and they need to show that they can crush resisters”

                    In Tennessee, they can’t do crap if you don’t pay a fine. It’s the law here. They can assess them, and maybe suspend your drivers license, oh but I don’t have one for them to suspend. But there is NOTHING they can do, and you can not be thrown in jail or arrested for not paying a fine because the fine itself violates the constitution.

                    My job is to protect my rights, and by extension yours. You may not appreciate the efforts and risk that people like me take in effort to restore freedom to America before the bankster police state is violently enforced, but hopefully your grandchildren will if those of us willing to take the chance and live free today succeed in getting theirs back.

                    Meanwhile, sit on your couch and revel in your slavery if you so choose. But don’t fault those of us fighting for your rights today so that they remain in existence for your children, and their theirs.

              • With massive propaganda from the mainstream media, they and one million Web-Trolls are using scare tactics and disinfo to promote “the NON-Affordable Care Act.”

                These plutocrats’ agents won’t tell you the astronomical costs, laws and regultions to fund Obamacare while bankers’ agents are in charge of your life; and still have much less quality care. That’s why politicians are EXEMPT from Obamacare. Since they are the ones who make the policy for someone else and force them to buy it, it should be considered as fraud and be illegal. L


                There will be NO MONEY LEFT for any disasters or any thing else. Including man-made disasters.

                Britain, Canada and Cuba, etc.. have UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE and are the examples of big failure and long waiting lists to see bureaucrats/doc. Most Canadians come to America for healthcare.


                Obamacare was Hillarycare, and Clintons call it Universal care.
                It was voted down by Congress in the mid 90s. 🙂

                People don’t trust the government, because your government CAN’T EVEN run the Post Office, selling stamps and are still billions of dollars in debt. Taxpayers have to bailout. 🙁

                Hillary’s campaign put her millions of dollars in debt before she called it quits.

                Without Obama who ran against her we would have never had the opportunity to know more about Clintons’ love and business affairs and their White Water’s associates.

                • Even Liberal experts agreed the reason why the Republican Party rejected Hillarycare in the congressional hearing was because the Clintons used the management decisions and the same Universal healthcare models which were used in Britain, Canada, Cuba, etc..

                  “President Bill Clinton’s failed Universal health care plan, led by First Lady Hillary Rodham in 1993, was modeled AFTER the so-called ‘MANAGEMENT DECISIONS’, and the bureaucracy of the profiteers.”

                  The management decisions of Obamacare/Hillarycare/Universal care making life & death decisions on the basis of cost and benefit and ___??


                  With a lot of baby boomers retiring in mass, the Usurers considers their retirement to be placing a big liability on the system. People have been questioning about who stole the baby boomers’ retirement money which they were forced to pay in the form of Social security tax during their working careers.


                  These so-called “management decisions” about a patient’s health care have had GRAVE & EVEN DEADLY CONSEQUENCES which the main(ex)stream media and their Troll websites won’t tell you. 🙁

                  Usurers use many tools and propaganda (disinfo wars) to sell you their multi-billions of dollars healthcare program, and it will cost trillions of dollars to keep it going; eventually this FALSE credit will collapse.

                  Herman Cain is the living proof. Mr. Cain has said with Obama’s Universal Care he would have been dead long time ago.

                  • GC: Thats False info you stated of drive without lic+plates=insurance. If cops stop you they can and will impound vehicle. Likly impound You in jail, and no matter what you say or believe of opt out plans, when you go to retrieve vehicle the impound lot wont release it back to you unles You show a Paid in full court order plus pay huge daily impound fees. If you crash the gates as a soveriegn man, you will be arrested for B&E of a private buisness.

                    And if your real soultion is based on LLC’s etc or Trusts, last I checked when I was in a family trust as a co bennificery, the State of Mich alone had at least a couple thousand Laws regulating Trusts.

                    Anything done has fed or state laws regulating it or Both. So how is that oppting Out of systems?

                    Why do you never provide any actual step by step issues for folks to follow such plans as you state of. I mean Real workable real world scenario plans.

                    So far all I ever saw you post as a “Plan” was a very long self written letter you said you plan to hand a cop if stopped so cop can read that you “waive the benifits” etc…I guess you never yet been stopped driving with no lic plates and insurance papers? Cause I do not believe any cop is going to stand on side of road reading anything handed to cop for 20 minits. Let alone tell a person “Ok I agree You are soverign so case close be on your way again sir”….

                    Please add info on what method can a person do what you say and avoid all soc sec etc type numbers, avoid birth certs, and simply do a LLC or whatever and that ends all future troubles, ends all taxes, property tax etc etc.

                    And also ends the need for driver lic etc and has 100% gaurentee NO jail, NO arests, NO troubles as now all will call you a soverien man and never bother you.

                    I have read of a few folks that tried similar options.

                    Montana Freemen 20 yrs ago come to mind. I wonder if any has yet been released from fed jails they all went to after becomeing soverign men and free man. They touted very similar options and also did alot of Liens against Fed judges paychecks etc and property liens on fed judges and polititions etc…Recall them guys group?

                    They all ended badly after the FBI raided their stand off while they kept insisting they too did measures to become soverign free men under God and common laws etc etc..

                    Every guy went to fed prisons for long sentences and likly Lost whatever they did own prior. Same has happened to most if not Every person of couple that learned how to avoid fed taxes. Most spent a small fortune on seminars and books that teach how to tell IRS fuck you I aint paying. They too all end up in jail and flat broke.

                    Do not get me wrong I am all for rejecting fed govnt when possible. But handing a cop some long written letter of no compliance is never going to work as intended if its actualy tried. Please offer real details that are proven to work. Not a therory on how it “Should work” because the us const says this or that…Real world tried and True works swell that you personally did and got away with something. If you can do so I am gratefull, thanks.

                  • Inforwars has displayed a closed FIST in red, white and blue, hahaha

                    🙁 Sickle and hammer, closed fist, or red flag/clothing which are communist symbols and are used during the revolution in Russia, China, France, Cuba, Thailand, etc..


                    Some Teabaggers (Cruz, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan) have stated they can raise the debt ceiling with compromise; such a BIG MISTAKE.

                    Benjamin Franklin created the Tea Party from the Boston Tea party. Who is Ben?? He is a broker between French bankers and his face is still on the $100 note.

                    U.S. Treasury Warns of What’s to Come: “Catastrophic Effect… Could Last for More Than a Generation”


                  • I feel I should make it a little clearer, Benjamin Franklin is the broker between the Kazakh bankers in France and the US government, so instead of paying taxes to Britain, American people pay taxes to the bankers in France. 🙁

                  • @Them Guys,

                    You’ll be waiting forever for a reply from the lying douche who calls himself god’s creation. He can’t answer you without demonstrating to everybody on this website he’s been lying through his teeth about all his sovereign man bullshit and not being beholden to the “corp”. No, he’ll just drop out of sight for a few articles, wait until this blows over, and return with another round of dementia. What’s really troublesome about the whole episode is the amount of idiots who buy into his bullshit whatever he feels like spewing up that day, at least until they try his tactics in the real world where,somehow or another, they just don’t seem to work out as advertised.

                  • Them Guys

                    “””They touted very similar options and also did alot of Liens against Fed judges paychecks etc and property liens on fed judges and polititions etc…Recall them guys group?”””

                    That’s why they went to jail, not for not being licensed.

                    In many recent lawsuits where the cops were sued for not protecting someone, the courts all a rule they don’t have to because no “special relationship” exists between them and the people who sued. Works both ways. Your license creates a special relationship where none exists without it.

                    I have documents that identify me, and that is all I have to provide in the event I am ever stopped for anything. It need not be a state issued ID, it is acceptable in any court as a positive ID by virtue of notarization. The corp and it’s officers are now forced to accept that I am who I say I am in those documents.

                    One day I may get stopped. Hasn’t happened in many years, and one day it might. I will not try to stop the executive branch officer from issuing a judicial document called a ticket.

                    I will have the case thrown out for violation of the separation of powers. If that is not enough for them, there are many other questions I will ask that they do not want to answer. And I will do that long before the court date, as I will never go into one of the oorp courts unless I am dragged in physically.

                    There are many flawed arguments that people use to get themselves into trouble. Living free is not in and of itself a crime. trying to live free under limited liability in the corp is a crime.

                    If you have the corps papers, you are the corps property. If you make your own ID and have it notarized by a corp notary, then you are who you say you are in those documents.

                    You can be identified by the corp, or you can identify yourself. The choice is yours. One way you can be free, the other you can not.

                    When my freedom is attacked, I will defend it. Whatever that takes. That’s the cost of freedom and one I am willing to pay.

                  • Them Guys

                    “””They touted very similar options and also did alot of Liens against Fed judges paychecks etc and property liens on fed judges and polititions etc…Recall them guys group?”””

                    That’s why they went to jail, not for not being licensed.

                    In many recent lawsuits where the cops were sued for not protecting someone, the courts all a rule they don’t have to because no “special relationship” exists between them and the people who sued. Works both ways. Your license creates a special relationship where none exists without it.

                    I have documents that identify me, and that is all I have to provide in the event I am ever stopped for anything. It need not be a state issued ID, it is acceptable in any court as a positive ID by virtue of notarization. The corp and it’s officers are now forced to accept that I am who I say I am in those documents.

                    One day I may get stopped. Hasn’t happened in many years, and one day it might. I will not try to stop the executive branch officer from issuing a judicial document called a ticket.

                    I will have the case thrown out for violation of the separation of powers. If that is not enough for them, there are many other questions I will ask that they do not want to answer. And I will do that long before the court date, as I will never go into one of the oorp courts unless I am dragged in physically.

                    There are many flawed arguments that people use to get themselves into trouble. Living free is not in and of itself a crime. trying to live free under limited liability in the corp is a crime.

                    If you have the corps papers, you are the corps property. If you make your own ID and have it notarized by a corp notary, then you are who you say you are in those documents.

                    You can be identified by the corp, or you can identify yourself. The choice is yours. One way you can be free, the other you can not.

                    When my freedom is attacked, I will defend it. Whatever that takes. That’s the cost of freedom and one I am willing to pay.

                    “””And if your real soultion is based on LLC’s etc or Trusts, last I checked when I was in a family trust as a co bennificery, the State of Mich alone had at least a couple thousand Laws regulating Trusts.

                    Anything done has fed or state laws regulating it or Both. So how is that oppting Out of systems?”””

                    If you register a trust with the state, there are many rules. But there is no rule that says a trust must be registered with the state.

                    The terms of your trust can not be changed by the state if it is a PRIVATE trust. It is merely contract the state is NOT a party to. Registering it makes the state a party.


                    You are just a TROLL prick who wants to start trouble on the board. I never hide from questions. They are an opportunity to educate people about their right to leave the corp out of their life and contracts.

                    The more they choose to do that, the closer to freedom they will be. The corp is about contracts, but only those which it is a party. Free people do not need or use contracts in which the state is a party.

                    You, of course, do. And slavery is just as much your choice as freedom is mine. Live well in your chains and may your master be kind.

                  • Well gc, you’ve stated Them Guys case. You CAN’T provide any detailed information, just your usual bullshit smokescreen. If anybody on this site is a troll, it’s you pal. You’re so full of shit your asshole must be jealous.

                • God’s Creation: You were talking all tough awhile back but now it seems that you do have ‘follow’ the rules just like the rest of us. You never said whether you did or didn’t have a drivers license. Sounds like you don’t, but rather a ‘notarized’ document of you identity, which sounds like compliance to me. You’re not the rebel you think you are, you’re just pretending. Now as to registration and insurance I’m betting that you have them; but if you don’t have them when stopped, you’ll be walking home. Your vehicle will be impounded and you will have to pay the ticket. You’ll also have to appear with proof of registration and insurance before they will release your vehicle. Sounds like more compliance to me. Now, if your lucky and live in a small area where the cops are not federalized, you can get away with a lot more, perhaps just some warnings. Now I never called you one of these dangerous types but your rhetoric is that of one of them and the cops around the country have been trained to deal severely with these folks. They are seen as home-grown terrorists and will be dealt with harshly. I can guarantee you that if you go spouting this nonsense to big city or state cops they’ll treat you like one of those “sovereign citizen’ types because what you’re saying is exactly what they are expecting from a ‘dangerous resister’. You can call yourself whatever you want, but if they see and hear what they been trained to identify with sovereign citizen types, you’re in for rough time. They will take you down hard and then get the warrants necessary to take your life apart. And they won’t come alone; the BATFE and FBI will crawling up every orifice you’ve got. Your property will searched with even with satellites for weapons caches, your financials will be gone over with a microscope. All I was offering was some friendly advise, but you see hell-bent on playing Rambo. As for me being a slave, hardly. Being humble and smart are great survival tools. I don’t go picking fights where I know from the start that I’m going to get a whipping. That’s not tough, that’s just plain stupid. If you ever do pull a stupid stunt like you mentioned, you’ll be marked for ‘pickup’ WTSHTF, if you’re not already dead or in jail. And I’ll be alive and free. Who’ll be the real slave than pal! You’re guy Ron White talks about when he say “You can’t fix stupid”.

              • FORCED HOME INSPECTIONS,at gun point,MARK OF THE BEAST,the thief of you bank account,the thief of you home,the thief of you children,and a hundred more things,WHAT ARE AMERICANS JUST STUPID or what,even considering anything the government comes up with,THEIR NOTHING but a pack of LIEING WHORES and thiefs,and your still arguing with them???

          • Ozero says: ….but….but, you can’t do that,
            this is a big part of my program of fundamental
            change that will propel us into the new millennia
            Soviet Union.

            Way to go, Daisy

          • Editor’s Note says:

            “Our friend Daisy Luther of The Organic Prepper has an idea. It’s one that the majority of you will likely agree with it. What if we all decide NOT TO COMPLY?”

            Oh my… could Daisy Luther be advocating “Anarchy”???

            The roots of the word “anarchy” are “an archos,” meaning, “no leaders.”

            Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.

            What say you Statists out there in SHTFplan land (you know who you are)?

            Is Daisy a Patriot, or a “self loathing” Anarchist hell bent on “tearing everything down?”

            • YMWW, Daisy IS a Patriot, standing up and being defiant to the same system you and I are against. We both know this system is going to fall and resisting Obamacare is another way to do so. What she advocates is trying to save our country from the nightmare we are currently living under and only promises to get worse for us all. You’re always complaining about the system and rightfully so; we all have our own complaints about it. Daisy is a longtime member of this community, even before she started her own website. I and everyone else will stand up for her. So how about it? Join with us in standing against this evil and oppressive system and let’s take our country back. braveheart

              • They just left me alone I hate tubes. Drugs not up to full yet.

                BH. Are not Daisy’s writing more I teresting now she started getting political. I said she would and got beat on. But she is doing a good job. She still needs some life exp. I think she had a good life and was shielded before her move up north. She than was push into opening her blinders. And she seems to be learning quickly good for her.
                She may be good at food prep but her backbone does seem to be getting stronger.

                Daisy in state of Wa ins not required if you post a bond in favor of the citizens of Wa sate.

                Oh I getting high and I’m hungry they no food from now on. Just fuki ice chips. At less the nurse keeps here sexy nurse out fit zipped way down. Shit I hope I’m in th hospital and not druck at the strip joint.

                • FBP, there was politics here when I first came here last year but politics is part of life no matter how we look at it. I’ll stand with her and I believe everyone else here will also. braveheart

              • Brave. You comply with social security. Said so yourself. What’s the difference? Only way not to comply is to work for yourself and not pay taxes.

            • “”Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations””

              Wow, the first Amendment guarantees Anarchy and protects anarchists right to be.

              Anarchy is simply self rule. Our government was instituted to protect those who violate the rights or property of an anarchist.

              What do the corp lovers think about that?

            • Yourmotherwaswrong:

              I have a hard time figuring out some of your posts. What is the point of this post? Are you saying that we American’s don’t have the right to stand up for what we believe to be a “law?”, “tax?” that will ruin our country?

              Was the patriots who fought the American Revolution anarchists in your mind? Without their bravery we would not even be able to post our opinion here; and without a change of direction that we are headed, even that will be threatened in the near future.

              I really would like a clarification on where you stand on what is happening to us because of Obamacare.

              I have never been able to really figure out where you are really coming from.

              • Get him, Granny. Daisy was and is still considered to be a regular member of the community, although she has her own thing going now and it’s really going well for her. YMWW was wrong to attack her and I’m going to stand up for her. all of the other regulars here will agree with me on that.

                • braveheart,

                  Well said! I agree!

                  Daisy is doing a great job!

                  Take care!
                  KY Mom

              • @Pissed Off Granny

                What I said was very simple. But I’ll break it down for you.

                “Obamacare” is law now (whether you or I like it or not).

                Daisy said: “I will not comply with Obamacare.” I’ve said the same thing; I won’t… Period.

                So Daisy and I will be “lawbreakers.”

                As scofflaws, Daisy and I are criminals (according to the government).

                If we all decided to violate laws wherever and whenever we wanted, what would we end up with?


                I advocate resistance to government gone insane and get labeled a “self loathing” Anarchist hell bent on “tearing everything down?”

                Daisy does it, and the intellectually challenged hypocrites on this site hold her up as a “Patriot.”

                So which is it? Is she a “Patriot,” or an “Anarchist.”

                Did that clear things up for ya Granny?

            • Yo mama: At least Daisy isn’t a government shill, like you. 🙂

              • Thank you DK!!!!

            • Why can’t she be both?

              I consider myself to be both a patriot and an anarcho-capalist.

              • “Anarchist” is just another buzzword, used by the establishment to try to discredit anyone who opposes them and their ideology…just like “conspiracy theorist”, “terrorist” and “racist”.

                None of those words actually mean what they want people to think they do.

                • Yep, sixpack, you nailed it.

                  We just watched the documentary, Hating Breitbart, and it brought all the left’s tactics to light in way that even the dullest tool in the shed could follow.

            • YMWW.

              The question is not whether Daisy is a Anarchist or Patriot but how can we save this country and return it to a republic without completely destroying what so many whom endure hardship to preserve. Her call to unify is a non violent protest. Far cry from others, call to action.
              Would you not prefer a non violent action as opposed to civil war? Your accusation of her is not valid.

              • She is waking up to be a patriot and it been kinda fun to watch. She still needs to ahead so of her it will be OK hopes. But she will have a hard time while child is still with here. It hard to go all the way when they are you direct kids and you are still complettllly responisable. I still even now abount all but it does change your outlook with age and bumps that you hit.

                It also help to have your kids to gang up on you and say go live your life father. You taught us well and have provide a great base to grow from. Shit now a tear is rolling down the PAGe scallaley face.

                All you can do is hople you did right by your kids. That all I give funk about.

                Crap I was suppose to be in Oman setup farmland for winter. Crap dirt ant going nowhere.
                Hope the kids don’t give it away when they sell it. I giving enough of it to the DAV. Hope they build some more vet center or doggy rescue farms.

                And people who abuse dog cats ferrets. Everyone gut them and hang them in a cage next to the fucks that screw up my country. And I will wait for them and make them pay later if that’s what there for me.

                Gotta go boobs just came back. I think it shave time

                • I hope to read you in the morning when you chuckle at your drugged posts.

                • Facebook Page:

                  Whatever is wrong with you; you had better get it figured out before January 1, 2014.

                  That’s when the “death panels” kick in. You wont have a prayer.

            • Yo mamma,

              Why don’t you just come out fully and say you want to scrap the Constitution and have total anarchy?

              You may be an anarchist but you and the commies have a common goal in the destruction of Constitutional rule of law.

              Patriots will never stand with you.

              Patriots want to re-store and implement the Constitution by excising the cancerous progressive policies which have diminished our founders intent.

              Make no mistake about it that when the time comes any anarchist who wants to tread on the Constitution will get the same treatment as a commie.

              So why don’t you take your own talking point and just “leave us alone” and not try to ram down our throats anarchy?

              Or is your anarchist philosophy just the preferred form of governance you want forced upon everyone else?

              Doesn’t that make you the very thing you wail against?

              What’s the difference if its a jackbooted fascist or a jackbooted anarchist stomping out the Constitution?

              • WOLF359: Well spoken! That anarchy crap was already tried in the French revolution, and that was done BY Kommies and Bolsheviks too. Look how That turned out. 250 yrs later and france has never fully recovered. And what did that get them afterwards? Socializim to the inth degree ever since.

                Society cannot function with total anarchy. Even Cave dewllers and brute savages in the past eras had Leaders or Chiefs etc. Anybody that thinks any nation with 300+ million folks in it that cannot do right or proper Now, is somehow going to do far better if all forms Laws and govnts are abolsihed aint thinking at all.

                If total anarchy was tried JUST with Road vehicles Traffic for ONE day nationwide. The end results would be catastrophic at minimum. Picture zero driver laws, 200 million drivers doing whatever They please because we need to free ourselves of ALl laws and rules in society.

                With zero cops or anything else to turn to after You get wronged by an anarchist fool doing His own thing at 150 MPH! Civil people Fix whats wrong, they do not simply toss out the baby along with the too cold bath water.

                Why do these type folks always Believe if they have their way and abruptly End it all as we now have things, that we are somehow guarenteed what comes Next is going to be better? What if it aint better and its Far worse yet? Then cannot be stopped. What then anarchists? will YOU accept all Blame. Because You is who the other 99% will blame. Anarchy is code for Kommies ways. Untill They get in control like russia under soviets.

                • @ Them Guys

                  Right on. Anarcho terrorists were responsible for many bombings and killings in Europe throughout the 19th century. A lot was committed here as well. By the early 20th century in America most people viewed anarchists like you would a jihadist today.

              • Wolf359: You and the others seem to romanticize the founding of this country as some “Golden Age”; an era shrouded in mist and ruled by “giants” not unlike the legend of King Arthur, and just as mythical. The cold hard facts are that America’s Constitution was fashioned by landed aristocrats (Virginians) and the wealthy merchants (NE) to their own benefit. Blacks and Indians were considered 3/5th human beings and women were property. These framers of the Constitution were called Federalists and they wanted to consolidate their power. Everything that exists today as the federal government is a direct result of their formation of the Constitution. The term used in this ever-growing power of the government is called ‘Federalism’, as in the Federalists who wrote this wonderful document you so blindly worship: see the “Necessary and Proper Clause” of ‘Article One’ that gives Congress the power to grow the government to meet its needs. The game was rigged from the beginning but you Americans are to ignorant of your own history, you can’t see it. I’m willing to bet that not 1 in 100 of you have even read the entire Constitution. Fewer, if any, the “Federalist Papers” which were used to argue for, and eventually get ratified, this Constitution of yours. I can say with assurance that none of you have read the “Articles of Confederation” by which this country was first ruled. And I am absolute certain than none of you have even heard of the “Anti-Federalist Papers”, let alone read them, which argued against the potential harm the Constitution could cause. By your own arguments, these Anti-Federalists were right, the Constitution would eventually lead to tyranny. By the way, the Anti-Federalists did have one small victory: it’s called the “Bill of Rights”. Perhaps you should bone-up on these items (Anti-Federalist Papers and Articles of Confederation) before you “retake” this country; otherwise you’re just reinventing the wheel. Good luck and good reading.

                • Professor,

                  I view the experiment in self government our country’s framers created as the best combination of liberty in the hands of the people with a de-centralized government. Although that original intent has been perverted I seek re-store and implement it.

                  And I see through your half truths many people who don’t know their history might actually believe.

                  You are combining the Federalist Papers with Federalism and the Federalist Party, which is extinct.

                  James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay wrote the Federalist Papers to convince the American people to adopt the Constitution after the failure of the articles of confederation.

                  The Federalist Papers were by no way, shape or form an affirmation of the Federalists Party’s ideology. The Federalist Party came afterwards by a couple of years.

                  The sole function of the Federalist Papers were to ratify the Constitution and form a federal government. Do not parse forming a federal government with Federalists Party principles.

                  The Federalist Party had only 1 president, John Adams, who was booted out of office after a first term by Democratic-Republican Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

                  Alexander Hamilton, who wanted a centralized bank and a nationalistic economy ultimately lost and was killed.

                  John Jay the last notable Federalist of the founding fathers was the first justice of the supreme court and ultimately his federalist ideology like Adams, and Hamilton’s fell on deaf ears and the party went extinct much like your brand of euro Marxism will go.

                  Oddly enough though the Federalists ultimately got what they so desired with the formation of the Federal Reserve a century later but that’s another story.

                  The issue of slavery was a divisive one much like today with abortion. To get the southern colonies on board the Founding Fathers had to negotiate on how much should a slave be considered. The abolitionists wanted them as equals but the pro slavery states wouldn’t ratify or join the union with that so a 3/5’s compromise was put in. Many of the Founders believed that when Americans saw how ridiculous 3/5’s a human being was they would demand it be changed.

                  I can clearly see your contempt for the Constitution but your bias in your post leans to an anarchists perspective which is far from what your are. You are just following goals #29 and #30 of the communists plan to take over America :

                  29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

                  30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

                  In fact you are nearly the complete opposite. The Euro Marxist ideology you propose will die out.

                  You are seeking to transplant it here but Constitutional Patriots will overcome and defeat it and then as your people slowly die off in the next couple of generations Islam will then take over western europe.

                  See your birthrate in western Europe is well under the 2.2 children per 2 adults to grow your demographics. You are being breeded out in your own countries and will like the Federalist party became extinct, into the dust bin history.

                  Your people have been completely apathetic in a latency of nothingness it has corrupted the very souls of your citizenry. Western Europe where once great works of art and industry flowed from has dried up into a bloated entitlement society which offers very little to the world at this point.

                  Myself and other Patriots will educate our children in the perils of European Marxism as we watch idly as you die off and your once proud lands become Islamic territories.

                  • Wolf359: Contempt, on my part, for the Constitution is wholly a figment of your imagination young fellow. The U.S. Constitution is the finest document of its kind in the world. I merely pointed out that the richest and most powerful men who wrote it, and penned the Federalist Papers, were some of the same men. Some of them went on to form the Federalist Party as well. Hardly a coincident my boy. I never said that the founders had contempt for the average man, that too is a pure hallucination on your part. You’ve forgotten, or perhaps, out of fear, failed to address my main observation: that the Necessary and Proper Clause of Article One of the Constitution is the primary vehicle for the continued expansion of your federal government over the last two centuries, which you and your fellows are so vociferous about. If and when the time comes, you would do well to excise that tumor from your Constitution, or at the very least, put such severe restrictions on it that it would take an act of God to override it, and then only for a limited amount of time and money. As for your accusation of my alleged support for Marxism, you are also so far off base that it’s almost comical. I have never advocated publically, or privately, support for communism. Communism is an abject failure and belongs on some dusty shelf with all the other failed experiments. Again, you assume that which is not in evidence, but rather believe something which is solely a creation of your somewhat deluded or paranoid mind.

                  • Prof,

                    I have read your posts on other articles. No where is it evident of your self alleged high esteem for the Constitution.

                    Instead you have excitedly celebrated Americas embrace of European style socialism. To which I have previously referenced it as Marxism, which socialism is a form of. I made no mention of communism to which you responded ” I have never advocated publically, or privately, support for communism”. Yet you are a European Socialist? Correct?

                    What’s interesting about modern day European socialism is its stealth communism by some magic change of the name. You know, Russia knows, China knows communist economic theory and application does not work. So to survive it evolved into what you have now in Europe a blend of Marxism and fascism but you continue to waste away your population with socialistic policies and institutions.

                    At least the Russians and Chinese have adopted more capitalistic approaches to their economy far from the higher echelons of corporate fascism and single party communist political power which has lead to surge in living and wages for the average citizen. But not in Europe where you stifle and smother the individual in the blanket of the collective.

                    Tell me again who has said socialism is just the step before communism?

                    The necessary and proper clause combined with the commerce clause have been the vehicles to which most over reaching of federal abuses against states rights have occurred. You can also go as far as saying the role in which the Supreme Court morphed into from what Jefferson and Madison had envisioned has also lead to unparalleled balance disruption between the 3 branches of government and the original intent of the Constitution.

                    That brings me back to my next point. As I have also stated before the Founders gave us a form of government, combination of democracy and a republic in and of itself cannot exist without a morally vigilant and virtuous people, who held such principles as republicanism, egalitarianism, charity, altruism and Christian values in high regard.

                    They knew if these virtues were lost then so would the Republic. The great American experiment will be over.

                    With that as a FACT and then looking back on 2 sentences in 1 clause on the Constitution and using that as an excuse to deride and devalue the rest of the Constitution as a centuries old setup of the American people is a false narrative.

                    Men like Patrick Henry had warned that in the event the people became corrupted and without morals and values then that clause could be used in a tyrannical fashion to centralize power and limit states rights.

                    James Madison who wrote Federalist 44 in favor of that clause, ultimately stood against it and had his previous written words read in Congress to embarrass and undermine his position.

                    He stood in opposition to the clauses’ incitement to a call for a national bank.

                    That is a perfect example of how laws are interpreted and either misused or twisted. It happened then and it happens now.

                    You stop it by voting out those who wish to abuse it and that again brings me back to having a moral and virtuous citizenry to uphold and keep the Constitution.

                • @Professor Higgins

                  People who think like Wolf359 are intellectually stunted.

                  They reflexively smear anyone having an opposing political view to theirs as a “Commie.”

                  They worship the constitution as if it was written by God himself.

                  Emotions trump reason with these people.

                  They are caught up in the false Left/Right paradigm. They are collectivist (team) players.

                  They make statements like: “Or is your anarchist philosophy just the preferred form of governance you want forced upon everyone else?” When in reality, people like myself adhere to the “Non Aggression Principle.” We would never “force” anyone to conform to our views of how society should be arranged. It’s called live and let live. But that can not be said of Statists like Wolf, as they would have no compunction using State violence to force compliance to their arrangement.

                  People like Wolf think we still live in a republic; even in the face of all the evidence that says otherwise.

                  People like this still believe we can vote our way out of the mess that is America circa 2013.

                  People like this have no objection to the bloated warfare state and pretend our economic malaise is the result of the welfare state.

                  People like this had relatively few complaints about the government when the occupant of the white house was a Republican.

                  People like this remind me of the fact that: Democracy is the public. The public is stupid.

                  • Yo Mamma,

                    I have it clear many times with you. I hold anybody whether it is a progressive, commie, anarchist or republican who seeks to usurp the Constitution as an enemy of mine.

                    I am a Constitutional Libertarian with fiscal conservative policies and am socially liberal. I don’t care what any body else does as long as they are not endangering others or looking to thrash the Constitution

                    I have spoken previously on the virtues of republicanism. That is a principle not the political party. You ignore the difference either through blind ideology or sheer ignorance.

                    I have also stated I want to re-store the Constitution and excise out progressive liberal regulations and laws which diminish individualism and promote collectivism. Something I see as a Marxist philosophy constraining and perverting the Founders intent of the Constitution.

                    To have a de-centralized, liberty and power in the hands of the people form of government structured into the Constitution and for it to remain that way the Founders knew the people had to be morally vigilant and virtuous to remain personally responsible and free.

                    As the PEOPLE became corrupted so would government and the Founders knew that. Every democracy fell the same way into empire, tyranny and collapse.

                    That is why the Founders enshrined the 2nd amendment and a system of checks and balances to limit a bloated and over reaching government.

                    I seek to re-store and re-vitalize our Constitution to save our Republic.

                    You say “Democracy is the public. The public is stupid.”

                    How can you expect anarchy to work if that is the case?

                  • Wolf359: Do you have difficulty understanding English or do you suffer from a rare form of ADD? You have consistently failed to directly address my statement on Article One of the Constitution. I find it amazing that an American can be so oblivious to the mechanism that has allowed congress to expand its scope of power virtually unchecked for more than two centuries. The ‘Enumerated Powers’ are just that, what congress is specifically allowed to do: coin money, raise an army, collect taxes, etc. But then someone put that ‘weasel’ clause also know as the “Necessary and Proper” clause which has allowed them to expand the federal government since its inception by calling all the legislation ‘necessary’. And you and your fore bearers have let them get away with it. That’s what has been called in common parlance as “federalism’. How is that you can be so blind to this is beyond me. All laws enacted not specifically address under the ‘enumerated powers’ were written under the ‘necessary and proper’ clause. It’s that simple. You seem to think that this constitution of yours is like your bible, an inerrant document from ‘on-high’. Well, it has a number of flaws and you’re suffering because of them. You are angry that this ‘Obama Care’ is forced upon you. Well my young friend, one of the enumerated powers (specified) in Article One is the power to tax and that’s what it was ruled as, a tax. So you can rant and rave all you want, your Constitution allows for taxation. And please have the courage, and the intelligence if possible, to stick to the topic at hand and argue these points instead of going off on a tangent with your pathetic ‘ad hominem’ attacks against me. That just shows that you have no cogent argument against my claim. Since it appears that you’ve never attended an institution of higher learning, an ‘ad hominem’ attack is a logical fallacy where one opponent has a weak position (you) and rather than trying defeat his adversary’s (my) superior position, he launches a personal attack in hopes of changing the subject of the argument. It won’t work. Calling me a Marxist/communist/socialist, or whatever, doesn’t change the fact that Article One of the Constitution has some inherent weaknesses. The fact that you’re unable to deal with this is evident by your name calling. If you don’t like the laws congress writes ‘voting them out’ is just a short term fix. The powers to write so many laws in ‘hard-wired’ into Article One. Fix that and you fix your problem. Don’t and it’ll go on and on until this country succumbs to European socialism. I guarantee it! Sweet dreams Laddie Boy.

                  • Well professor I answered all your points and more in my above comment 2651143. I will not repeat it again.

                    Calling out what you are as a Euro socialist is not derogatory name calling. I would not be offended if called a libertarian.

                    The problem is euro socialism is stealth communism and corporate fasicm and people like yourself think by changing its name you can deceive people into believing it is something else.

                    I see exactly what you are. Cheerio.

                  • yourmotherwaswrong: It appears that Wolf359 suffers from Asperger’s syndrome. It would explain his obsessive and maniacal rants on the constitution and his inability to simply and rationally argue his points. In his irrational state, he resorts to personal attacks rather address the weak points of his arguments. People such as he are highly emotional and quite fragile. He and others like him are a little dangerous because they see an attack on their positions as a personal attack and can often respond with violence. If you or I were to debate him in person we could well find ourselves under physical assault because of his inability for rational discourse. His lack of coping skills would cause him great frustration leading to both an emotionally charged outburst and an assault on those whom he considers his enemies (anyone who disagrees with him).

                  • If non-compliance with the Un-affordable Care act, and the failure to show proof of nonpartcipation in “any” medical insurance program causes the Fed to levy a so-called tax against those determined to be noncompliant is legal, just because they call it a tax; why has Kathleen Sebilius, or what ever the fark is her name, called it a “fine” on national TV?

                    Bull Sheet Prof Higgy.

                  • Wow prof,

                    Such animosity from a self alledged learned scholar. The truth about your ilk coming to the surface draws an unabashed fury of name calling without any factual defense of your argument.

                    Great way to get your points across and convince others to your cause.

                    And I never heard you deny you are a European Socialist? Or admit you are a constitutionalist or a free market supporter?

                    Seems my previous posts hit you between the eyes.

                    Good luck and cheerio old man.

            • YMWW-do everyone on this site a favor and SHUT UP! Daisy writes great articles and in reality, you are JEALOUS! The only anarchists on this site is you-FOOL! GO AWAY

              • WolF359: Thank you for confirming your mental instability. You felt COMPELLED to inject yourself into a conversation between me and Yourmotherwaswrong. Your self-righteousness, uber-patriotism, and paranoid delusions of persecution have DRIVEN you to attack me and the person I was addressing, which was NOT you. In your heightened state of constant agitation I can safely predict that you’ll run afoul of the law in the not to distant future where you’ll begin spouting patriotic sovereign man nonsense. It will be at that point where your name will enter the national database as a potential domestic terrorist/resister. You would do well to stay at home in your mother’s basement and only go out at night or to your job where you’ll have the least amount public exposure.

                • Prof,

                  Have you forgotten how this correspondence began?

                  I engaged Yo mamma, you engaged me and I engaged you in return.

                  Just like you proceeded to ignore facts and reality when it comes to the Constitution and Founding Fathers original intent and the safeguards they believed are needed for the country to remain free.

                  And you continued that delusional ignorance in how this all started. You literally mentioned me in a response to my own post.

                  If that doesn’t qualify myself for an interjection then what does?

                  Well sir, you are entitled to your own puny, insignificant opinions and that is all you have but you are not entitled to your own facts.


                  • Wolf359 says:


                    Isn’t that what European Socialists use as an expression of good wishes on parting?

          • Yea, rumor has it that only CIA uses pressure cookers

            • …that they cook their anthrax in?

              • …for Edward Snowden?

          • O’Bummer Care is Socialism for the poor, and Fascism for the rich. It is another Shit Sandwich for the Middle Class who must subsidize both.

            Historically, health care was a benefit which WE received through OUR employers. Big Business picked up the tab and deducted the cost as an expense; in effect, passing the cost along to government by lowering their profit margin.

            Now that Bid Business doesn’t have to pay income taxes anyway because they have so many other deductions, they do not want to shoulder that cost, or pass it on to government. Better yet they can eliminate all the associated costs of dealing with health care for their employees.

            Government will collect the tax from US to cover the general cost of administration of government. The fact is, that 5% of the customers will use 60% of the benefits, natural selection be damned.

            Not only are WE dumbing down the population, WE encourage the sick, lame, lazy, and genetically defective to replicate their DNA on OUR tax dollar.

            Engage your employees or have your DNA confiscated by them and used by Big Pharma with NO benefit or payment to you. 🙂

            • DK, wouldn’t that be a great line for a movie?
              “Keep your DNA off my tax dollars!”

              • SO: By the time Big Pharma gets through with OUR DNA it will be “XNA” with their US Patent Number on it and sequenced within each triple helix gene.

                Just saying. A little infotainment for y’all. 🙂

            • DK from the beginning of obamacare I was thinking somewhat along the same line that what obamacare is, is a way of shifting the insurance payment away from employer based to individual and government based in order to up the corporate bottom line. Health insurance is a labor cost and big corps have been shifting labor cost every which way they can. Off shoring of the jobs was/is just one component, obama care is another and I’m sure it wont stop there. This is why I have no faith that in the end, the Republicans will stop obamacare. They will compromise and pretend to be doing so for the republic.

              Government has benefited greatly by the offshoring of labor, government programs that address the displaced workers has grown by leaps and bounds, more people than ever are dependent on government, at the same time government is bigger than ever. Why would they want to change it.

              Big business has more influence in government than ever, being that they are the ones writing the checks, golden rule applies, they have the gold, they rule. Once they have completed their strangle hold on the private sector, they will go after wage, benefit and labor cost in government, the bureaucrat establishment drones will be on the chopping block. We will be third world complete.

              No one cared when low skill factor labor was being offshored, they could get a deal on a cheap toaster from Walmart, how’s that wallyworld chinese toaster looking now.

              • Rick: Don’t forget the ADDITIONAL 30 million illegals to whom the NWO wants to give amnesty; that will lower labor costs even further …. forever!!!

                Currently Chinese workers pay 50% of their disposable income for food. That percentage will decline for them as the Yuan increases in value. That percentage will increase for American workers as time goes by under Free Trade.

                Americans must engage their employees NOW while there is still an America to save. He who hesitates will become a citizen of the North American Union.

                TREASON! Death to TRAITORS! Target the NWO! Engage! 🙂

          • Ok…s here we have the bitch from CANADA writing about how she will not comply with Obama care.
            Yeah, I guess if you are not a fucking UNITED STATES citizen, and live in CANADA, you can say that.

            Why don’t you dry up, chick?

        • Yeah, you really do need to stand up to their bull crap! It makes me furious, the idea of someone trying to take advantage of me! For 2 years, I had no valid drives license because I refused to gove in to the demands of DMV. I fought like hell, called the supervisor, asked her if it didn’t bother her conscience– the idea of a National ID card in place of a regular drivers license. And I went to the DMV many times, tried to reason with them, told them what they were doing was UNLAWFUL and told them that other states were not going along with this unconstitutional demand. Finally, all my anger and protests paid off. After 2 years of fighting the system, I finally got my drivers license back (I had a near perfect driving record!) but I finally got my license and didn’t give in to their demands!

        • I decided way before this article was written to give the GIANT middle finger to Obamacare. I refuse to be a part of that shit. The Govt can kiss my ass.

          • I guess Kathleen Sebelius doesn’t agree with me. 😆

          • Real popular position these days.
            +1 here

            With a side order of
            MOLON LABE

        • Maybe compliance will be effective if all, Presidency, Congressional, Senate, Supreme Court and all OFFICIALS making it Mandatory for them to enlist in the Obama care Packages. Once this is completed and made mandatory for all CITIZENS, then we may sit down and talk, until then HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • My family received a letter Friday from our health insurance provider letting us know that because of the affordable health care act, that our policy will no longer be valid in the near future. We are a family of five with three small children that we insure out of pocket and not through our occupations. The letter stated that we could buy a similar policy through the same company with nearly the same package for 1181.00 a month, as opposed to the 680.00 we were paying until recently. My jaw damn near broke it dropped so low. I am being forced now to do the very thing that a large number of Americans disapprove of to provide health care for my children. My options now are pay almost double per month or enter the pool of health care providers that I so strongly oppose. This is being governed by force and no longer an option. What the hell are my children in line for in the near future.

          • PLCapp, better start complaining to your house rep, senators, state reps, trade associations,etc, Forward the letter from the insurance company to all of the above people. Make noise and complain!

          • PLC,

            Just go without insurance and only take your kids to the doctor if they have a legitimate reason to go, such as a broken arm or such.

            If they get a virus, their body will heal it. If they get a bacterial infection, their body will heal it. Colloidal silver will aid the body in dealing with both.

            Antibiotics do nothing for a virus,but are frequently prescribed by doctors. By the time the patient has taken the whole prescription, the body has healed itself leaving you with the impression the doctor cured them. The same effect is seen with most of what doctors prescribe.

            Many parents take their kids to the doctor every time they have a cough. If you are not one of those, you will get by fine without insurance.

            • Just fought of a bacterial infection that the walk-in clinic mis-dxed as a virus. It can be done. Push the fluids, stay warm, rest (don’t stay up late on SHTF Plan comments, ahem [preaching to myself]) drink black currant juice.

              • echinacea purpurea for viral infections, echinaecea angustfolia or oregon grape for bacterial infections, elderberry for flu.

                • kimintn,

                  You seem have lots of good information about beneficial plants and natural healing.

                  Can you recommend some good books on this topic?

                  Also, can you recommend some plants and seeds that we should get. I have some basics, but am sure there are more that I could use.

          • PL CAPP: Your kids future will be 1918 soviet russia. And even Worse if they are racially white kids. But that will Only happen if we follow our parents and grandparents footsteps, and totally rejct and ignore every warning of the evil commie bastards we have that are the exact same as russia had in 1918.

            It seems most folks do not want to hear or read of it.But todays america Is being done the exact same way as russia was in 1918, Minus the massive bloodshed…So far.

            What most really Hate to hear or read is that the same aprox 2% that did russia back then, and maintained an Iron Grip for 75 yrs there, are the Same 2% that now run america by the same kommie methods, minus the massive bloodshed…Yet. If they are able to disarm america too…Then that not yet part will become faster than Greesed Lightning when it hits Us.

            At some point the only Two options left are going to be what Many other nations faced before us. Either we Boot em or Shoot em as no other method has ever worked.

            Disclaimer: No I do NOT refer to every member of ANY group, or, race or belief system. That should already be self evident to any thinking persons. But that does Not change the Facts that Yes certain groups do keep repeating whatever evil ways they have prior done. Especially when the remaining 98% refuse to halt it.

            If history is our teacher, then look Back to england, when they too got fed up, and Booted their nation wreckers out after first trying new laws to ban certain partisipation of said nation wreckers, which Failed to work. Only when their King said “Boot em all out Pronto” did england revert Back to prosperity and Peace, that Lasted 300+ yrs…Untill Cromwell did secret deals and Plotted with that same nation wrecker bunch to again allow them to come Back in to england. Ever since england has been royally Screwed!…Proof solid that the BOOT works swell. As long as you have no cromwells.

          • Now before I get a new one ripped open, I am Canadian and we have socialized health care and our idea do medical insurance is to cover glasses, dental, prescriptions, other specialists like physiotherapy and the like and in-hospital comforts like a private room or the TV. So I will honestly say I can’t understand that whole health insurance thing as you do.

            But what I understand is Child Protective Services. Obama has no problems using government agencies as his enforcers against people he doesn’t like. And before long I would bet it would be considered “child abuse and/or neglect” for families with children not only to meet minimal compliance with Obamacare but who also do not have the super-extra-special-diamond-encrusted-platinum insurance coverage if they aren’t on welfare.

            Be careful. If your local child services are anything like Ontario’s Children’s Aid Society, they will jump down your throat with nothing but a vague suspicion and the whole burden of proof will be on you. Furthermore, they will make their investigation fit the result they want and you will have to fight them in court. Also, they like stalling compliance with court orders they don’t like and even ignore them completely.

            In fact, situation you are in, I would strongly suggest you provide your kids’ schools and/or daycare/nursery school with a letter stating you do not want CPS to have contact with them at school, citing the relevant parts of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and codes of criminal law, especially those pertaining to your rights for due process, against unlawful detention, interrogating a child without a parent present and the schools responsibility to keeping children safe.

            If the schools fail to comply they are liable to prosecutions as accessory to child abduction or unlawfully detaining them.

            • Canadian Vet: Please don’t take this the wrong way but the main difference between the U.S. and all other former British colonies is that we were the only ones that had to actually fight for our independence. The rest; Canada, Australia, NZ, etc. were just handed it. That’s one reason we still have the remnants of a constitution with more rights than the rest of you. And we are still willing to put up a fight. I have seen some signs of outrage in the other English speaking countries and it gives me hope that we are not alone in our anger and struggle at our government’s over-reach of authority. Push folks far enough and they will eventually push back. Time will tell how this power grab will turn out.

              • No offence taken. I know all too well the differences between the birth of both our countries. However it doesn’t mean I don’t value freedom.

                But we have very similar rights that have been added into our Constitution as well. In fact, by it’s very text no law should supersede British Common Law and the Magna Carta but that part seems to elude our lawmakers. Hey, and did you know the Association of Police Chiefs opposed our Charter of Rights to be amended into our Constitution? Even in the 80’s cops were absolute control freaks.

                And for the record, the letters I mentioned in my previous post, I had to make use of them. And damn did it ever piss some people off.

        • KYM

          those are great points ,but even if they honored all there promises ,and were selling it for a penny a month ,i would go to prison before i bought there ins. or paid there fine ,soon they will tell me i have to eat liver because its good for me ,or that i have to wear a fur lined piss pot on my head ,i dont have to buy car ins. if i dont drive ,i dont have to pay taxes if i dont work ,this is the only law that has ever been passed that by standing in one place and breathing i am obliged to buy this product or i will be penilized ,yes its true that they cant force you buy it or even have a legal recouse to make you pay the fine ,but you mark my word ,by the end of next year they will ammend that part and give the penalty part of the bill teeth ,they will make the alternative to not buying the ins. so onerous ,that your only choice will to allow them to rape you ,forgive me Mac ,but i say to them FUCK YOU ,and the horse you rode in on ,i will not submitt

          • lower40, I’m with you.

        • I have two friends whom neither had insurance as they said they couldn’t afford it. Both said they don’t expect hand-outs or others to subsidize their health care. Both said they lived healthy lives to avoid health care costs. One of my friends discovered she had breast cancer and was not able to pay for any of it. Another’s husband had a skiing accident and ended up in the hospital. We know that we are going to treat those without health care insurance. We have a caring society where we are not turning folks away (or their kids) who need hospital care. But I don’t think it is fair that I have to pay for those who don’t pay any insurance. For those who say the government should not force this on us, my grandma frequently tells me stories about the rationing in WWII and how they were rationed gas and food staples. To me, requiring health care insurance is necessary and fair because we are going to treat everybody who needs to go to the hospital and you can’t say you will never need hospital or medical care.

          • ID Mom: You are quite right. What most of your fellow Americans either don’t understand, or have just failed to remember, is that everyone with a current insurance policy is already subsidizing those who don’t. Hospitals will treat folks and write it off, and they do it such a way that it almost seems free. The doctors and hospitals simply all increase their charges that is paid by both the insurance companies and the deductibles the paying customers are paying. In the end, it’s the doctors, hospitals, insurance companies and the insured that all get stuck footing the bill. I think the term is ‘spreading the pain’. This current plan of Obama’s is set to fail. What comes next is his real intention: nationalized health care. You are all paying for it in bits and pieces anyway, why not cut to the chase and just implement it. I’ve heard the ridiculous cries of how awful it will be yet your military has ‘free’ health care as do your disabled veterans. I’m sure that there are some here that think they are better than active duty and retired service members and the veterans. “Table scraps for those who serve, and have served, but I must have steak” is their attitude. Better that all have hamburger than some eating streak while others eat dog food. The thumbs down will come from the ‘elitists’ and those that never served in uniform.

            • another liberal caving in…… “Why not just… implement it.” Retarded comment.

          • IDMom,

            If it were not for health insurance and government intervention, a visit to the doctor would cost $10 and your friends could afford it. Their hospital stays would cost in the hundreds, and they could pay it over time. And your friends breast cancer would have been cured, rather than “treated” with poisons and radiation.

            The fact is, nobody pays for anything anymore. The banksters own it all, paid for with counterfeit paper of no substance. They use their counterfeiting power to buy laws and regulation that benefit their criminal empire while extracting as much of your debt currency as they can.

            If they wish to control an industry, they pay the government to regulate it. Medicare was the first step, Obama care the last. Now you have to pay a small fortune for the most basic medical needs. All because the banksters knew that was a gold mine for them because everybody needed health care at some point.

            Now, instead of compassionate doctors who make house calls and charge $2 a visit, we have pill pushers who kill about 200,000 people a year just in this country.

            People not having insurance is not a problem. The problem is who prints the money, and what their interventions have caused in pricing.

            Same as college tuition. Give out loans and flood the system with easy money to drive up prices. Same results. A crappy education that cost a fortune and leave young people in debt before they even start life.

            Too many focus on the problems caused by the banksters monopoly on money creation, while almost no one wants to mention the cure for it.

            It’s time to string them up, and nothing short of that will eliminate the problems they have caused for all of us.

            • Yes, but not before reparations are made to those of us who have been damaged irreparably by their criminal schemes.

        • Easy for Daisy to say this and act like she’s really doing something, all while she’s safe in Canada using a similar system. Not impressed with your brand of courage, Daisy.

        • C’mon, we are all forced to buy car insurance. Stop pretending. We are also forced to register our cars, register our private property (land & housing), pay income tax, ect ect.

          Don’t be fools and pretend you are going to “make a stand” now, WE have already proven we are weak and spineless.

          • Chase says:”C’mon, we are all forced to buy car insurance.”
            Wrong. I live in New Hampshire. No sales tax. No income tax. No seatbelt laws. No helmet laws. No auto insurance requirements.

            Sound good? Check out


            as for the Obamacare requirement? – I WILL NOT COMPLY!

        • I think the Neocons should of had a opt out option. Ppl shouldnt be forced, but that option should also include a waiver if they do get sick they wave all benefits-state, local, and federal-SSI, Medicaid, period. The uninsured only show up when they have late stage disease and one person cost state and fedl millions. You figures are BS. I have my own plan and priced out the pricest and it didnt bust 350.00 for 2 of us.

        • Miss Daisy must be a frequenter of Godlike Productions because I started a thread there over a month ago making this very declaration, It was quite popular and still occasionally keeps getting replies. I am glad I started this and glad someone took it a step further.

        • why would this fraud take so long to produce his birth certificate surely this would have been first requirement to be a candidate for president of America.

          American people shouldn’t let this fraud hold office any longer

        • ” Section 1501 of the Affordable Care Act reads, “Such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.”
          This means if you don’t pay the tax for not purchasing ins. they can’t mess with you unless you get money back from a tax return.

      2. Michael Rivero of What Really Happened gives the best explanation I’ve seen for why the government is so intent that everyone must participate in this program. They have run the country into the ground and want to force us all to pay as they vainly struggle to keep things afloat. This is a last ditch effort – the only alternative is economic collapse.

        as said, and my earlier post is also part of this same deal

        the 70 agencies we are all paying for up the ass, and its killing with our government so lop sided and a country that isn’t producing any more, we have been bleeding frn’s like its going out of style, they want to keep the band playing as the ship sinks.

        some of us just want off or it to get back righted and those responsible . held responsible.

        no government program or position produces anything, they are a debt

        • BO care reeks. I say this again. You don’t own a car or othewr vechicle, you don’t purchase insurance. IF you waive your desire to be treated by dr. quack, what is the fraking difference? Just like car insurance, you are penalized for being healthy and paying for those dumb asses that fill their fat cheeks full of crap food from walmart. This is pure garbage. Being a fat slob is more profitable, just look at the new BO welfare state developing. F BO care, F BO and all those that attempt to override our freedom. F them all.

          • Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
            -John Dalberg-Acton

            Food and healthcare are both BASIC needs of the people.
            Plans to have the population receive the RFID chip were included in the original Obamacare bill. Thankfully, Section 2521, Pg. 1001 was removed from the final version that passed.

            Many say the final version of Obamacare provides a “back door” by granting authority to “enact regulations for smooth implementation” of Obamacare.

            The RFID chip implanted into people would enable CONTROL of the masses. In the future, under the guise of healthcare, I believe the government will push to have the chip implanted into the population.

            The RFID chip can be used to store and retrieve data – medical, financial, location, etc. The chip also has many ‘other’ uses. Those who control and monitor the chip, would have great POWER over the people.

            They can remotely locate and shut down a car that is many miles away – because it has a ‘chip’ in it.
            Likewise, I believe with an imbedded chip, they could locate and if desired ‘shut down’ individuals by causing a heart attack or some other fatal condition.

            Man has RFID chip implanted in his hand that stores info for smartphone

            In the future, will salaries and payments from the government (food stamps, social security, etc.) be downloaded remotely directly on to an RFID chip?

            Has the collapse of paper currency begun? Has electronic currency (only) been ushered in, right under our noses? The US Treasury claims that about $2 trillion was printed in both 2009 and 2010. Yet, there are no paper currencies in existence that date after 2009. If you don’t believe, then check for yourself. Find one.

            Obamacare was never about healthcare, it was about CONTROL.
            Some even admitted it…
            When radio host Paul W. Smith asked liberal Congressman John Dingell (D-MI) why it will take the government until 2014 to fully set up the ObamaCare system.

            Dingell said this: “It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to CONTROL THE PEOPLE.”
            Source: News Talk WJR Radio with Paul W. Smith – 3/23/2010

            All that is needed is ‘direct contact’ or an implanted chip…
            Sky Deutschland has developed technology to transfer ads from train windows directly and silently into commuters’ heads. “Passengers leaning their head against the window will “hear” ads “coming from inside the user’s head”, urging them to download the Sky Go app.

            The proposal involves using bone conduction technology, which is used in hearing aids, headphones and Google’s Glass headset, to pass sound to the inner ear via vibrations through the skull.”

            The technology to make subjects believe what you want them to…
            Neuroscientists plant ‘false memories’ in brain.
            “MIT neuroscientists have shown that they can plant false memories in the brains of mice. They also found that many of the neurological traces of these memories are identical in nature to those of authentic memories.”

            “Whether it’s a false or genuine memory, the brain’s neural mechanism underlying the recall of the memory is the same.”

            • As I have pointed out before, currency doesn’t change date every year. It only changes when the design changes, most often when the signatures change on the front. The signatures on $20 bills haven’t changed since 2009; therefore 2009 is still printed on them. Since the secretary of the treasury changed earlier this year, there should be some 2013 bills showing up in circulation as soon as they get around to changing the design.

              • Yes…the date is the “series” date (look for that word beside the date) and not the date it was printed.

                The new hundreds will be released tomorrow and they will probably have a date of 2010 or 2011 since they were already printed but not released. And contrary to reports (Facebook Page) they were not destroyed and over 90% of them are scheduled to be released after inspection for ink smudges.

          • BI, AMEN, and I’m right there with you.

          • BI….
            You talking about Obutthole Care?

            I am with you.

            The States can use the 10th Amendment to Nullify Obutthole Care. They(The States) just have to grow a set and do it.

            Off to print more lead and brass currency.

            • The States used to be able to recall their Senators. Direct elections by the mass of morons ended control by “We The People”. Another one of those amendments that was slipped into the constitution under the dark of night.

        • I don’t know what state you live in but in NJ you have to buy auto insurance. ]

          You don’t have to buy health insurance if you don’t want to with Obamacare. Just pay the fine. In life, no matter what, you always have a choice. You don’t have to pay your income tax if you don’t want to. You do have a choice.
          You don’t have to work and support yourself either. But for every decision there will be consequences.
          Saying I’m not going to to something I don’t want to is rather immature and not very realistic.

          • Wow, living in New Jersey must really suck. Having to buy auto insurance must really piss off people that don’t own cars.

            • It does suck !
              And insurance is the least of it .

              Semper Fi 8541

          • Thanks Dick for the advise. Now go to bed.

          • Dumbass. Obamacare says you have to buy something simply to be alive and breathing in America. Auto insurance is not required. Just don’t participate in the privilege of driving a car. No fucking similarity. I hate morons. If you don’t want to pay income tax, don’t have and income. Hell you can collect 5K from uncle sam this way anyhow.

          • Richard Jones you are a fucking idiot ! why should i just PAY the FINE for something as stupid as obamamcare i HAD good insurance and now they say it is NOT good enough so they want me to pay 3 times as much for the same thing!! that is wrong and needs to be fixed and that means throw these vermin and skunks out!! let the revolution begin!!

          • Well Dick. That was stupid. Of course it’s realistic. You just said we have a choice. You deserve to live in nj.

            • Wrong — I think just about everyone here knows
              the consequences of being a patriot and speaking
              out on a site such as this.

              It is a choice, and one well worth considering,
              since the stakes are between bondage or liberty.

              • Well said! 🙂

              • Hear Hear Outwest!

                Live on your knees, or die standing. This phrase will become more prevalent in months to come.

                Romans 13:4 KJV

                • OutWest and Stay Frosty, Hear Hear! I’m with both of you.

              • As was said so many years ago,
                Give me liberty or give me death!

                • Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

                  LIBERTY OR DEATH


                  Semper Fi 8541

          • Richard Jones sounds like Eisen.

            • a woman who marry’s richard ,must kiss dick

          • No wonder Jersey is such a crap hole since it is filled with people like you. People being forced to give up existing good coverage for more expensive poor coverage accomplishes just what? Moron.

      3. Time to be a pain in the butt!

      4. NOMI


        • All of Obamas yak yak about the affordable care act “is the law of the land.”
          And so was prohibition. We’ll just see how long this turd flies.

          • What happens today if you don’t have med insurance?
            You don’t go to a primary care doctor you end up in an county emergency ward.
            Who pays? The government. Why? They mandated it, and now the government don’t like it so much.
            Example. Here where we live there is a private hospital only. True story. A female Broke her lower leg and went there. Had no insurance and was given two Tylenol and transported to a county hospital 65 miles away. They couldn’t see her that night and was told to return the next day for treatment. She returned and was treated and walked away. Who paid the bill? The federal government. Why? They mandated it so. They can’t force private hospitals to treat the noninsured but have told them to stabilize and transport to the closest state or county facility. Once there some form of government program will handle the bills. Medicare, Medicaid, Medical or obscure program available to them, they will let them know, all the patient is left to do is sign on the dotted line and take a walk.
            If you have ever been to an emergency waiting room and taken stock of what you see is waiting you have seen what is there mostly. Undocumented democrats with kids with the sniffles waiting for free treatment, courtesy of the federal government IE us.
            The government wants to relieve itself of this and lay it off on us straight out. All of us!
            The government will do this yet once again with the mass amount of revenue that they hope will be raked in with Obama care and no one will know the difference and keep the future democrats voting their way.
            Another idea of Obama care is not to offer you and your family better coverage but to lower your grade of care equal to the noninsured. Even though you have gone thru life paying for your own healthcare, you will, according to the government will be a participant in their program and be only allowed the same services as any other person. Insured or not.
            According to a CBO report, in 10 years only 7 million people will be paying participants in Obamacare as it stands today, and yet 30 million will STILL be left non paying and uninsured. So what is the point?

            • I don’t know where you live, but there’s no such thing as a government owned “county” hospital where I live. All the hospitals are corporate. And they do have to treat anyone who shows up in the emergency room, no matter what.

              • I think this is what hammerrun may be referring to,, in the 80’s I worked in the local county hospital 2 hours a day filing or whatever cheap BS job needed dong. Sometimes I was assigned to the debt ‘collector’. She was really that. We just contacted folks who had lots of bills and helped them set up pay plans. Even $1 per month per bill would suffice…why? Because the hospital accepted what were referred to as Hill-Burton funds. Govt subsidy that had the stipulation that these hospitals could turn no one away, and if they made any attempt to pay their bills, you could not pursue. Therefore, if ms Marlene knew someone was in bad straights, she would tell them to pay $1 per bill per month to keep it out of collections. The govt. dictated who had to be cared for. Sniffles and all.

              • I’ll try to get a little clearer here.
                A privately owned hospital is required to “stabilize” and have” transport” respond and transport to a ” County owned or operated” hospital facility any incoming patent that fails to show proof insurance or cash or some form of ability to pay.
                Failure to do so as a result, the patent will be assessed and stabilized as needed to conform to mandated regulations. Then released for transport to the “county” facility.
                Be it corporate or county owned, it is referred to as a “COUNTY” facility.
                Payments for treatment rendered by said “COUNTY” facility will be paid by the Federal Government as reimbursement for services rendered as required by the federal mandates.
                They don’t transport them to Kaiser hospital five miles away, they are dropped off at the “County Facility.”
                If you show up at a Kaiser facility with no insurance, you will be sent and referred to the “COUNTY” facility.
                Kaiser is not mandated by law to treat anybody to the fullest for free. Are you kidding? They would be broke in a month. Clear as mud?

                • No, they charge everyone else extra to make up for what they can’t get out of us taxpayers. And as I said before, there are no county owned or operated hospitals around here. All of the hospitals here are privately owned. And they are regularly changing hands. The one in my town has had to lay off a lot of people because of insufficient revenue.

                  • One of the Biggest Promotors of Bammy care law was the aprox 2200 usa catholic bishops group or conclave or whatever its called. As they are the main managers responsible for the over 600 hosp that are owned by the Vatican catholic church. They complained they lost too much money treating so many illeagle mexicans and others who use emergncy rooms for every ailment or sniffles etc.

                    Now that same group are moaning and whining of being Forced to perform abortions!…They are who more than anybody else besides the dem party also promoted illeagles and Open borders. Then complain when millions cross open borders and head straight for a catholic hospitol to dump their new baby and gain anchoring of massive free stuff welfare perks.

                    Funny nobody yet mentioned that fact of that they own so many hospitols nationwide. Next to dems and public emply unions, the catholic churchs seem to be our worst enemys. They promote antigun crap alot too.

                    The new health laws also exempt employers of fines if they employ illeagles. It may be employ them After amnesty gets passed?…just another in a long list of anti white folk plans done so far. The vasy majority of uninsured are the same 30+ million illeagles aka “Dreamers”!

                    Dream This bitch! Let the vatican Pay for it if they so desired it.

                  • Them Guys,

                    The Vatican is the religious arm of the Banksters, just as the US is the military arm and The City is the financial arm.

                    Need proof? What three places on this earth are untouchable by any nations laws, or international law, and are sovereigns unto themselves? The City, the District of Columbia, and the Vatican.

                    The Catholic church is not a church of God. It is a means of control over a large number of Christian people for the banksters. The pope says shit, and they ask what color. And think of all the money it collects and launders for the banksters.

                    Sorry Catholics, but the Pope is a nobody in charge of an evil institution controlled by satanic forces and in association with the bankster cartel.

                    You will not find God in any modern church. If you wish to worship like Jesus, go read the Bible on the banks of a river or up on a hill somewhere in nature. That is where you will find God.

                    I promise that when Jesus returns he will not venture into a 501(c) “house of god”. You will find him giving a sermon to three people on some mountain somewhere, asking what happened to his followers.

                    Thumb it down if you want to. The truth often is hard to swallow and the messengers are hated when they bring it. But you should know that Jesus will be waiting for you to join Him far away from the “places of worship” in this modern world.

                • Whether there is a county hospital involved depends on where you live. Some places work this way but where I live, we have two non-profit hospitals and they divide the uninsured expenses between them. They both complain that they end up with the majority of cases and expenses. Neither one is run by the county. Both get some subsidies for the expenses they have to write off.

          • and once long ago slavery was the law of the land…amoungst other stupid things…any law can be changed…even if barry and friends think otherwise…

      5. I also will not be buying into the scam. I hope enough people will OPTOUT that it makes the system useless. Don’t let the system scare you. It obviously has a few issues. I have heard reports of as much as a ten percent fine if you don’t comply, however the law states 1 percent of your income or $95 per adult, which ever is more. I’ll pay my 1 percent and move on. Their insurers will not cover my doctors anyway, since I am a naturopath and they only cover MDs.

        • If .01% is being used, why would anyone making $9500.00 a year be mandated at all to pay healthcare premiums which is what $95 is .01 % of??


      6. The ACA is extortion. It is either pay, or we take away. It is sign over your home, or your child dies.

        The American HealthCare system needs an over-haul. But this isn’t it; it is non other than extortion. Thus, don’t comply.

        The Republicans are right. There needs to be a 1 year delay to look at this fiasco closer.

        • Are the Repubs going to hang in there for the fight, or give in…as usual?

        • They are going to collect huge premiums but pay out little or nothing since the deductibles are so high. The insurance industry was in on this just like the AARP. They won’t be laughing when single payer kicks in and the govt. takes all their facilities.

          • I agree. Obamacare was formulated by insurance corporations and pharmaceutical companies. Follow the money and it is easy to see who wrote the rules.


        • Why, she would still force yo to buy a drivers license and register your property with the state. We would be no better off.

          • Huh?!

      8. @ VRF. You asked me whenever I saw something that could affect your family in Peru. The two earthquakes on the Wwest Chile Rise and the one west of Macquire Island in the past have targeted South America big time. I looked through my notes since the worthless government USGS is down with the rest of the government. You might want to call up our family in Peru and tell them another dangerous period is here until Oct. 21 for them Also California danger risk notched up a couple of points from the Macquirie earthquake. These divergent zones show something quite big is likely coming. I still feel India is in extreme danger until at least Oct.17.

        • Will do Boss, thanks for the heads up!

      9. This idiotic debacle called health care, will simply collapse upon itself within a year. Once you pinch the wallets of even the staunchest liberal socialists they will react and turn on the dear leader. Look at Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, he helped promote the regime’s health care plan but once he saw how much it would cost him and his minions, he wanted out. Just give it time and don’t comply. Let them cannibalize each other as only the elite psychopaths can.

        • @SWINGING , It will colapse , but thats the idea isnt it?
          the whole purpose is to roll out total government(single payer) healthcare where every part of your life can be controlled by some bueracrat.

        • Swinging, good points. Why was the employer mandate set back for 1 year? Because the creators didn’t realize HOW MUCH of a monster they created. It’s possible with enough resistance to make the debacle crash and burn. let’s get on with that.

          • They dont want the joke to come out before 2014 election cycle

          • Everyone could bring suit against Obutthole Care under the equal protection clause. If one is exempted all must be afforded that option. 1 million law suits would straighten this mess out.

            • Good point, its not equal p u.t.L,,,, but that’s never Ben that way in the f,in U.S.A.

      10. We have to pass this bill to see what’s in it.

        Good one, Daisy.

        • We will have to piss on this bill cause we know what’s in it.
          Molly Pitcher

      11. Isnt this Obamacare coming from the same POTUS that said:

        In his 4 years–

        1. Reduce the annual spending deficit
        2. Decrease the National Debt
        3. Reduce the Wars
        4. Bring Home troops in Iraq and Aphganistan
        5. Be a Peace-Maker

        and if he failed, he would not run again 4 years later.

        And now we should trust this?

        • i’m trying to expect the worst from him, but he keep surpassing those expectations.

          this week i learned obamacare will fund abortions.

          • Id rather pay for an abortion of a bastard welfare ghetto child to be, than to be taxed to support it.

        • Ugly…minor additions to your well stated post…….”In 4 years we’ll fundamentally change the face of America”. But the real change wasn’t reviled….oh wait…Lenin started in the same manner….Stalin also started with the love note leading to millions being dead.

          • One thing about it Tactical…..

            That is the ONE true statement that lying piece has lived up to.

            He and his handlers are working overtime to make that statement a fact.

            • Yeah, “hope and change” — he just didn’t specify WHOSE hope and WHAT change…

              • To many of my brain dead friends didn’t care “just as long as it’s not Bush.”

                • I hope they care now.

      12. my dad has given me a hard time for not spending money over the past year and i dont say anything; but obamacare is why.

        there is no telling how much it will cost anyone yearly, what any surgery would could cost and if it would even be allowed, no telling what it will do to jobs and the economy and i know we’re barely above a recession and jobs are being cut because of it; but we could easily be in a decade long depression when obamacare is all in.

        and the horrible part is obamacare is going all in and it will never be fully repealed.

        we may still have the 4th of july, christmas and the world series but in no way is the america as it was founded ever coming back. i’m afraid those tea party people showed up too late. in 2016 or 2020, Texas is going to turn purple nd that will be the final nail in the USA as it was founded.

      13. We have to Stand up to these Scumbags and say NO!! Or we are doomed for sure.. It would be a terrible place to leave for our children….

        • Tom, If WE don’t stand up together, we’re easy pickings. I have no network of people around me and my family thinks I’m wasting my time.

        • Key words there Tom T… “Stand Up”.

          There is a “Stand Up” argument/loophole that should/could be used by everyone not wanting to be a part of the Unaffordable Care Act. The precedent was already set from the beginning. All Muslims are given a “free pass” from purchasing or being fined/taxed, for not purchasing said gov insurance.

          Here it is. Because their religion is against any type of gambling/wagering, they are excused from the same type requirements that all other citizens are legally bound to, simply because they see medical insurance as a form of gambling/wagering.

          I say; since the precedent is set, and most law is now held up because of precedent ruling, your religion of choice should include being against any type of wagering or gambling and therefore be your main cause and purpose for not engaging in the business of wagering against bad health. Thus, your constitutional rights, same as with the muslims, must be upheld by the Fed gov.

          My religion is against any type of wagering/gambling, so therefore I will not be participating in any such insurance activity.

          And; for all the folks that bring up auto insurance requirements, I say; Yea, I buy auto insurance because i don’t want somebody suing me for what damages my “vehicle” caused. That is not a form of gambling, it is just common sense, not to mention it’s a prerequisite for registration of a vehicle, in most states. Totally different than wagering that you will get sick or injured.

          Just sayin’

          • PWTW: Muslims Get zero Intrest 30yr Mortgages too since gw bush did an exec order to allow/mandate that around 2003-4 as prez. When I first read of that shortly after bush did his exec order, I went to my bank in town and asked the head manager of bank and mortgages and she affirmed it is true. I told her I too want a refi for 30 yrs only with zero intrest same as islamic muslims recieve.

            She said its not so easy to do as much Proof is required that you really belong to that religion etc.

            When it is christians we always get told “Wall of seperation” crap. Yet Muslims opt out of bammycare regs, they get intrest Free 30 yr loans to only pay back main Principal of said loans, and jews can install a 95 foot Tall Minorah(devils pitchfork) ON the Lawn of whitehouse property, and none of That stuff has any “walls of seperations” eh?

            Maybe if christians began to tell these clowns we too believe in Sell coat Buy Sword/Firearms and we too have a Right to do as muslims when Our inner voices tells Us which clowns needs Killing. Perhaps they would then also Fear christians and comply with Our needs or wants too.

            Maybe a Crusade aint always so bad a thing huh? As long as the Right folks is who gets Killed that is.

            Disclaimer: By Right folks it is meant to refere Only to those folks who Needs Klling.

            PS we may need appoint or elect a temp Pope type guy to issue the orders to commence in a crusade for Our rights etc. Anybody Here desires a top position with a tall pointy Hat?

      14. You are my hero. I don’t have insurance now for a family of five. I have a savings account which is soon to become a box of cash for our medical expenses that I put money into each week. I was just going to find out what the policy number is at work and lie on the tax form. I am furious about this and I think others are as well. My family is healthy. I set aside money for my health expenses. I should not be forced to buy anything. It would be a huge pay cut for us.

        • That’s an interesting idea…they did say it would be an honor system.

          • And you believed them? Talk about dumb. Lord have mercy.

            • That was sarcasm, and Obama did wave the wage verification for now…folks don’t have to prove their income to get subsidy. Geez.

        • Damn Maineac, you actually have your currency in a bank? Don’t be a fool, they will take it from you in a heartbeat. Banks are the most dangerous place there is to keep wealth! Consider buying metals for cash and keeping your savings there. If you need cash for medical just sell what you need. Keep your wealth private and out of the reach of these assholes, metals are private, unconfiscatable, non taxable, liquid, the safest way to save. And DO NOT keep them in your house! Pardon me but I didn’t think anyone was dumb enough to still keep currency in the bank wow…

          • And what would you suggest for those of whom are living off retirement savings and stock dividends? Where would we put it, since its the interest we are living on?

            • If you have retirement savings then take it ALL out and convert it to metals. Stock dividends? Sell the stocks and keep half in cash and half in metals. It doesn’t take a genius to see whats coming. After the tax hit you will still come out ahead, 75% of something is better than 100% of nothing! Or don’t do anything and see what happens LOL.:)

      15. The only point missed in this (very good) article is the fact that the ACA is pure SOCIALISM !!!!
        Lets not lose sight of the facts , Obamacare is socialism.
        I am not a socialist , I am an American and being such I will resist socialism , as should all Americans.
        I am also a capitalist and proud of it , my doctor is as well and I pay him , he does not have to wait for a government check , I PAY , not some unreasonably taxed wealthy guy who was proud enough to file his taxes honestly .
        WHEW ……

        • Hammerrun:

          Marxism, Socialism, or Communism are nothing but State Capitalism and rule by a privileged minority, exercising despotic and total control over a majority who has virtually NO PROPERTY OR LEGAL RIGHTS.

          Socialism is indeed merely the clover held in front of the cow’s nose to get her into the barn under the milking machine.

          Socialism is a mechanism whereby a group that considers itself the only “humans” can lead a whole “non-human” herd into the Zionist controlled barn.

          Talmudic Judaism is the progenitor of modern communism, marxist collectvism, socialism as it now applies to a billion or more of the worlds population.

          Only through thorough understanding of the ideology from which the collectivism originates, and those who dominate and propogate it can the rest of the world hope to escape the same fate. Communism-Socialism was originated by Zionists and has been dominated by them from the beginning.

          Daisy Luther is correct when she states that Obamacare is the final knife in the middle class’ back. In order for TPTB to finalize their one world agenda they have to take everything away from the middle class and their 20,000 page Obamacare bill is their blueprint.

          Joe Biden, who says he is a zionist, sure knew what he was talking about when he told Obama “this is a big
          f#$%^$#g deal”. It certainly is. It is a centuries old plan to make the “Family of 300” the rulers of the earth; and the rest of us (whomever they “choose” to let live”) their cattle.

          Their “supreme leader” has been chosen, if you are in the know at all you realize it is Lucifer.

          The choice of who you will follow is fast approaching. Get on your knees and ask God’s forgiveness for not holding these monsters that are ruling us accountable and ask that he give us help and strength to face what is going to happen in this land that was once under His grace.

          If you would like more information:

          comeandhear dot com/dillings/chap 14 htm #antiChrist

          • granny – yougot the wrong guy in your sites , but its me your responding to .
            STATE run capitalism is a whole differant thing.
            your talkin china shit .
            Do i not deserve a fair return (profit) for my labor?
            If i raise cows for market or build a family a house am i not deserving of fair compensation ?
            Enjoy your enslavement , i will continue to pay for others services as they pay for mine .
            AT A FAIR PROFIT.
            that is capitalism , cost plus a fair gain for reinvestment, what is the problem ?

            • Hammerrun:

              There is a huge difference between the “capitalism” that you and I believe in and “State Capitalism”.

              I owned businesses just like you and I think just like you. I was not attacking your post, I was pointing out that “socialism” is just a “soft” word for Communism.

              I have heard it mentioned several times on the MSM that Obama is a “socialist”; imagine the hue and cry if someone was truthful enough to explain to the American public that Obama’s socialism was really communism.

              • Kick ass, Granny

              • Love you granny, and thanks for the great comment.

                I think “hammerhead”, and “Hammerrun” are two different individuals. Anyways, i agree with your post.

                BTW, did you know that “piss” or “pisseth” is used in the bible eight times?


          • With people like you on our side it is no wonder we get our asses kicked. get over the Jew crap. Reid ain’t a Jew, Hillary ain’t one nor is Pelosi or Obama. Dip shit Max bachus got this ball rolling and he ain’t no Jew either.

            • Go READ that website of elizabeth Dillings granny posted JohnW then see if you remain in complete Denial of Facts and Truth as usual. You wont read any of it as You cannot handle truth. Even when actual quoted statements that jews and Rabbi jews say thet YES communisim IS a jewish talmudic invention of control of gentiles You refuse to believe it. It is folks like YOU that are the problem as You types are the major enablers of such evils of commies.

              Some jews that do admit it are more Honest then You are!

              oh well You enablers cannot stop what is fast becomeing a Tidal Wave of folks awakening to it all. The more you deny truth, the more other folks get curious and search the truth out and yes they FIND it and believe it because “Most” folks do desire facts and Truth John W even if you enablers do not like it.

              You name a few gentiles as if that makes much difference. Well even in 1918 russia out of 505 total top Tier kommie inner circle rulers, they had “13” members that were NOT Jewish John….13 gentiles out of aprox 505 total!

              So yes technically one can say not all were jewish. Right John, only about 99% were jews eh…Like That matters!

              Foolsih=Enablers=As guily as the real culprits=KOMMIES!

            • John W. I hate to insult your intellect but do more reading. Currently you are in vegetation state based on your comment.

            • John W. Your comment reminds me of a doctor telling a sick leukemia patient to take Advil.

      16. Come to my door, O, and make me purchase your baloney.

      17. I believe this is one of the control the pet population tactics. They will pick and chose who will be here and not. I am pretty sure that I won’t pay and I or be around. So no more doctors and i will defend the constitution that the old boys built this country on. Who’s with me? And save your ink if you are sheeple.

      18. The fight has begun. Here’s a site looking for people’s Obamacare horror stories. I’ve heard through the grapevine that they’re about to start taking out ads in local media outlets:

      19. I too do not plan on paying into this government sponsored extortion. FRAK THEM!!!!! Like I’ve been explaining to everyone I know, if we allow them to continue to take, take, and take some more, then WHEN do we say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!?? This is really the ONLY article I’ve read to date that explains why the Unaffordable Care Act is sooooo important to this administration.

        Bottom line is WITHOUT the $$$$$ this new form of extortion creates, we collapse much sooner then without all this $$$$$. They NEED this to work, and QUICKLY!! That’s why the jack booted thugs in the IRS have been tasked to enforce it. The “red line” has got to be drawn HERE people. I only hope my fellow Americans can see this.

        • When this stupid idea passed, l had heard that they would need a lot of young healthy people to sign up immediately to make it work out of the gate. Let’s hope that it will blow up in their faces real soon.

      20. President Obama has the delusion that his new and improved Health Care Plan will take care of the United States citizen from Cradle to Grave. That concept may work in Switzerland or other European countries.
        It will not and does not work here. The United States is NOT SET UP for this type of health care system. When Mr. Cheese Burger Clinton was President, his wife Hillary, put her fingers in the Health Care System and attempted to improve and change it. She never did.
        That is another thing I will not forgive Hillary and Bill Clinton for. One of many. It is not a good system, and from what I remember, it was passed without being read what was in it. It will be interesting to see how this Obama Health Care System shakes out.

        • Obama has no delusions about caring for anyone.

          ObamaCare is a very sly and deceptive Trojan horse that’s being exacted onto the American people for a MUCH more nefarious reason.

          If anything, ObamaCare will give people a false sense of security and it will achieve exactly the opposite of healthy; a very unhealthy populace, easy to encapsulate, manipulate, and ultimately destroy.

          Obama will successfully deceive millions of souls into subsidizing infanticide, and then ultimately forcing Islamic conversion under threat of FEMA re-education camps.

          Neighbors will snitch on dissenting neighbors, and family members will snitch on dissenting family members.

          Where have I read about this before……? Oh well, I’ll figure it out in the end.

        • Emily:

          How the Rockefellers Created Hilary

          • …also, why they’ll buy the white house for her in 2016…

          • Just a little side note on Hillary:

            therichest dot com

            Hillary is worth 21.5 million

            Source of her wealth is stated: POLITICS

      21. I really think the coastal states will become the front-lines of the inevitable hot-war.

        The future patriots will rise from states like California and New York, just to name a few.

        I know, it seems counter-intuitive, but if you think about it from a Sun Tzu standpoint, it makes sense. Those states have draconian gun laws and are silently considered “sanctuary states” for liberalism. This is where the greatest loses will occur one the counter-revolution get’s started. – California and NY are states that are “desperate ground”.

        • “California and New York”? I doubt they’ll rise up from the two WORST GUN-CONTROL states in the country. Shouldn’t Patriots rise up from some other, more reasonable states where they haven’t been disarmed and/or neutered?

          • @ sixpack

            Normally you would think so, but the people in the freer states are too “comfortable” watching CA and NY go down the tubes while thinking they are “safe” from the draconian laws themselves.

            Nope, I think CA and NY, and similar states, will be where the counter-revolution starts. At first it will be in the form of a non-violent, non-compliance. That will change when the WACO Style “no knock” assaults by rogue LEO agencies begin.

            From there, people from states like TX and AZ will come to help.

            • the more the merrier.

      22. Here is What you do
        Put the penalty payment on a credit card every year
        Pay the lousey 25.00 monthly fee do it for a while and then default on card or chap 7
        Then you will shortley get another CC congradulating you
        On your chap 7 or a card to rebuild credit
        Problem solved

        • Satori:

          This Granny has more than her last can of soup.

          And it is locked and loaded.

          I hope they take away us old farts SS for a period of time. Might be enough of a wake up call to shake off the “let some one else save me”, or “it’s really not that bad”, or some other lie we have been telling ourselves.

          We are going to have to gather the young, the inbetween, and the old folks if we have a prayer to lift this nation out of the sewer we have become.

          • If they withhold SS checks they damn well better not process any EBT cards or mail out any welfare checks. I am sick and tired of this POS president holding the military and the SS checks as hostage. All the news of the parks service closing down places that are on government land has already got my dander up. In fact, I will be calling my representatives tomorrow and demand they do not fund the parks service at all. Make it as difficult as possible…let’s turn it around on DC. Also, be sure to support the Truckers that are going to DC this weekend. They are asking you make sure you have everything you need before Friday. Make no purchases the entire weekend.

            • That’s an original twist to the “turn the other cheek” idea. If a thief steals your shoes, throw your socks at them too?

              For the record, I don’t believe the gov has any business shutting down or otherwise regulating access to ANYTHING paid for by OUR tax dollars, period.

              Perhaps we should shut down the white house and refuse obummer and his bunch access to it, until “further notice”.

          • As a kid All I ever heard from the adult folks everywheres it seemed was “Do not ever talk of politics or religion”. I always asked why. And if folks never discuss that stuff then How will anybody know whats really going on?….Looks as if again I was correct and them adults back then was all wrong. Todays huge mess is a direct fault of stupid folks voteing based on “oh we Always vote dems cause they are good for poor and worker people and them repubs are Only for the rich folks”

            Yeah always voted dems because they refused to ever discuss real issues such as Politics and religious issues and HOW BOTH so radically affect every aspect of america, society and fed govnt issues.

            Today a huge remenant exists that parrots the exact same words. “Oh I Always vote dems cause they are for the poor and workerman”!…And its always Them types that parrot “never discuss politics or religion” which is the major reason they like their parents are so damn stupid!

            Nobody can learn if they refuse to discuss issues. If they fail to learn we end with stupid voters and stupider citizens. They all always trust what preachers or priests and msm and polititions tells them to believe and question Nothing.

            Worst is thats who makes up a vast majority of americans today. I just hope when it all comes down they are so many they will keep the jackboots too busy to bother with me. I no longer think america can be saved. I hope I am wrong but do not think I am. Is it at least ok to Hate stupid fool folks?

      23. WOW , while i agree that you have the right to speak your mind , i will say that an ad hominem personal attack on the presidents family does not make for a good argument.
        It only takes away from the rest of good comments on this site . please do not discredit the rest of us with hate speach just because you can .

        • Your point received and considered. However, just to remind you of all the years this POS commander in chief sat in Jeremiah Wrights church and then disavowed him when the political waters became turbulent. I also want to remind you that this president has made several insinuations regarding his policies leaning toward the black population. One thing I’ve never held back on and that’s calling a “spade a spade”. This president is a pariah and can, will, and has played the race card extensively. I won’t cut him nor his family any slack.

          • PO’d Patriot:

            This old “cracker” feels exactly the same as you.

            Enough of the “political correctness”. By not shouting from the rooftops what was happening to us we have let government “subversives” turn our country upside down.

            Obama has not earned even a smidgeon of respect. And his Lady? hasn’t either.

            I wonder how many of us saw the video of them at some function where they were honoring America and Michelle was seen mouthing “THAT DAMNED FLAG”.

            • Link o hat ideo please…I missed that

              • Link that video please…darn autocorrect

                • PenCRNA:

                  snopes dot com/politics/obama/forflag dot org

                  Or just type in Michelle saying that damned flag. Watch the video and decide for yourself what she said.

            • PO’d Patriot, Hammerhead, and Granny. I’m especially with you regarding political correctness. I don’t think we owe any minority people with bad intentions toward white people any consideration on anything, period. white people get demonized in the MSM every day by both black and white libturds. Young blacks get on social media sites like facebook and twitter every day making death threats against white people and nothing happens to them. black-on-white crime has been on the rise ever since the 2008 campaign. That’s when black hostility toward white people came out in the open more than ever and no one in MSM, Hollywood, government, etc. will condemn it. But let any white people stand up in their own defense and see who gets vilified in a heartbeat. Hammerhead, I know you mean well, but I have to reject your statement about hate speech. You want hate speech, go to facebook and twitter and look up all of the antiwhite propaganda put on those two sites along with black websites. they get a free pass for their hate speech because of affirmative action. braveheart

            • Sixpack:

              I got my biggest laugh of the day. Thanks!

              • no prob—happy to be of assistance.

          • PO’D
            i WONT DISAGREE
            but please consider the way the MSM loves to use our posts to make their point.
            All taken out of context and missused for sure.
            We just need to be careful of what we put out here on ALGores “interwebs”. LOL
            I get it , not preachin.

            • hh. I understand what you’re sayin’. Dear Pap always use to tell me, “Try to keep shut about your likes and dislikes as there are those who’ll use it against you.” I guess one of his life’s lessons didn’t ‘take’ too well. I took after Ma’s side who would say, “If’n you don’t like my gate, don’t swing on it”.

          • He gives lip service toward helping the black community, but his policies have hurt them more than any other demographic. Sure, “teens” and others have been emboldened in violence and racial hatred by Eric Holder’s stance of unequal protection under the law, but I suspect is by design as well. I think Obama uses black America the same way he exploits anyone else who puts their faith in him. They may live to regret him sorely. If they were honest about what “immigration reform” will cost them, they would be leading the pro-impeachment demonstrations and joining the Tea Party in larger numbers.

        • Fuck you. Hate speech is indeed in order in this situation. The bullshit about respecting the office of the president at this point is a fucking joke and interesting that some dumbasses still fall for this line of reasoning. We are almost at the breaking point in this country and the prez is willfully destroying what was once the best country on the planet. Stop just one second and look at his dealings with the WWII memorials thru the govt shutdown. BTW I hate Boehner, McCain, Graham, etc. etc.

          • Gonetoolong, I’m with you. F#$% the MSM, Hollywood, govt., etc., anyone who has something against white people. I don’t care what any of them think of me and I don’t owe them s#$%.

          • Hate your vocab but you are absolutely correct. Obama is the most guilty of making a joke of the presidency.

        • GFY. The left made jokes about raping Palins daughter and other really classy remarks. If you think these people can be opposed with kid gloves you really are stupid.

      24. Smoke my chromemoly motherfuckers! 62gr is a bitch. I ain’t buying shit.

      25. Oh, you get it now! Obama. Pelosi, Reid they all lied to you. If you voted for anyone of these fuckwads, I hope you soon live in a cardboard box.

        • unfortunately, many of us are going to be living in a cardboard box (or in a pinebox if obama says no to your needed medicine) because of those people.

          best thing you can do imo is avoid them, stay in good physical shape, save your nickels, dont get in debt and cut expenses. those who did not plan for asocialist system will be hurt the worst and i will not live or act like them !

      26. My comment 2609690 on the thread “US Treasury warns of what is to come,” 5 October at 9:27 p.m. gave my reasons why this anarcho-capitalist won’t comply with Obamacare.

        However, a source I consulted disagrees with your draconian fright information on the penalties.

        “The law prohibits the IRS from seeking to put anybody in jail or seizing property for
        simple refusal to pay the tax. The law says specifically that taxpayers “shall not be’
        subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty” for failure to pay, and also that

        [emphasis mine] THE IRS CANNOT FILE A TAX LIEN (a legal claim against such things as homes, cars, wages and bank accounts) OR A “levy” SEIZURE OF PROPERTY OR TAX ACCOUNTS.”

        “The IRS will not have the power to charge you criminally or seize your assets if your refuse to pay. The IRS will only have the ability to sue you. And the most the IRS can collect from you if it wins the suit is 2X the amount you owe. “

        • @ John_Allen

          Seizure of property or bank accounts.

          • Sorry, no longer have property or bank accounts here. I do have a extensive beer bottle collection, all empty.

          • And when was the last time you trusted the government to actually follow their own laws? There are many times they have used various agencies to harass citizens weather legal or not.


          • Go to the People of Wal-Mart site. Take a good look. Then pray.

        • John Allen…let me think on that a bit.

          The last sentence somehow bothers me…the ability to sue. If they sue and win a judgement, they have grounds to levy a “judgement” lien, don’t they? It is a civil process, then?

          It seems like they are leaving themselves an out with this language. It won’t technically be a “tax” lien, but will be a civil judgement.

          Does this make any sense? Sometimes I have a hard time putting words to thoughts.

      27. I’m a Cracker. You’re a Cracker. She’s a Cracker. He’s a Cracker.

        Wouldn’t you like to be a Cracker too?


        • slingshot, I’m a cracker 24/7/365. always have been and always will be. braveheart

        • “Ich bin ein cracker…”

          • A JBLM soldier was stabbed to death this weekend for being white. Scary.

          • Most yankees have always called us Florida natives crackers. I’ve heard it since I was little. I like being called a Florida cracker, it’s a compliment. Those yankees think we are all slow and stupid. I think most of them are fast talking scumbags. There are advantages to being southern and laid back.

      28. I will also not be complying. I’ve been saying that for three years, and I’m still saying it.

        First off, I prefer naturopathic cures to the medical/surgical/pharmaceutical approach entrenched in the American medical system. Insurance does not cover naturopathic cures, so I need to save my cash for natural remedies (which usually involves travel to another country, as the medical-pharmaceutical complex in this country were successful in getting them outlawed).

        Secondly, I won’t be forced to purchase a product I don’t want. That is as unconstitutional as it gets.

        • You not being forced to buy a product you dont want or need, your being forced to pay for negroes health care.

      29. I’d REALLY enjoy this website more if it would stick to prepping. If I want to read politics or religion, I can easily find it elsewhere.

        • Will the real “anonymous” please stand up?

          • Rodster:

            I think I have found the red thumb Kathleen Sebelius. I believe it is anonymous #2.

        • Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, free country, sorta!

          • Kula- ‘a free country, sorta’ Now, THAT was funny!

            anon- all we’re trying to do is bring a little hope and change to Mac’s site. You know, to fundamentally change the face of shtfplan. C’mon, get with the program! 🙂

            • Just keepin it real Okie, just keepin it real.

        • @Anonymous
          Your comment about wishing people on this site would stick to talking about prepping is a little confusing to me. First of all the word prepping generally means to prepare for the known and unknown events in life that can cause a disruption in ones life. As, I read the comments on this present forum all I see is people talking about prepping and preparing for what they are going to do in the future about one of the biggest catastrophes (Obamacare)to ever envelope this nation. And as the good, Preppers they are, they are informing others on this site what is about to befall the rest of us and sharing with all that will listen what they are doing to deflect or divert the oncoming disaster. Anonymous, you say you do not want to read about politics or religion on this site. You obviously do not realize that some of the biggest reasons one should prep is because of religion and politics and the adverse effects it can have to ones freedom, liberty and personal well being. Religion and politics have/has played a major role in the lives of just about everyone on this planet and a lot of times it has had dire consequences for the individual. If you are still not convinced then I encourage you to go Egypt and look at the burned out church buildings with dead Christians or go to Syria and view the same and if that’s not enough to convince you go to one of a dozen countries in Africa where the Muslim religion has forced its will on non Muslims and people have had their hands cut off or died. All in the name of a religion. Politics over the centuries have caused death and destruction of people and societies. The fall of the Roman Empire to the genocide in Rwanda of up to a million people, to bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya, on August 7, 1998, that killed more than 220 people and wounded 4500. Even our own civil war was political and it too took countless lives and changed the direction that we as a nation were to live for the future. A prudent Prepper has to be aware of all possibilities that could affect their well being no matter what fashion, form or matter it could possibly be delivered upon them. A Preppers greatest asset is knowledge, not beans, bullets and band aids. Bullets could possibly get you out of a bad situation but knowledge will stop you from getting into one. Religion and politics have killed more people than natural disasters, emps and nukes combined. (Hitler and 6 million dead Jews ring a bell)? If that wasn’t a mixture of politics and religious persecution I don’t what is. Hopefully this will help you to understand why discussions of religion and politics on this site are a benefit to those that are trying to understand what they should prepare for and why, in their own personal lives.

          “Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,”
          George Santayana, author, Reason in Common Sense

      30. I am signing up now to continue on my already crappy plan. It will cost me a lot more than Ocare since I am not going to take the Ocare plan with subsidy. I am not going to sign with the Devil. I refuse to become a welfare recipient. Fuck them and the trainwreck they are riding in on.

      31. UNTIL we Americans FORCE them to stop , the WILL continue ……citizens of foreign countries have rioted for far less !!!

        • It’s after Oct 1st, isn’t it?

      32. The only way to understand Obamacare and its implications are with math.

        They say there are about 120 million folks in the working force. And of those, a large percentage are federal employees, state employees, and unions, as of which often pay much less into their health-care and pensions as does the private business owner and the common worker.

        Thus about 60 million primary or common workers will foot this ACA. Now, they claim the annual costs will be around $2T, but lets say the Govt cares about us and makes it a bargain cost of only $1.5T per year.

        Therefore $1.5T per year/60 mill primary payees = $25,000 per primary worker per year. Or basically $25,000/12 = $2,083 per month.

        Now lets say your gross income is $4,500. and you have only $700 leftover after all the other taxes and bills.

        No problem, the govt will work with you. Let say your home is worth $225,000 and you owe just $85,000. That is a supposed worth of $140,000 ($225,000 – $85,000 = $140,000). So the govt pays your $85,000 mortgage and owns your $225,000 home that has a net value of $140,000. Now ACA costs you $2083/month and home value is at $140,000 so $140,000/$2083 buys you 67 months worth of ACA health insurance.

        Therefore you get 5.5 years of health insurance with your home value and the govt takes over the home. But you still have to pay the final $85,000 mortgage or the govt just takes it away.

        Lets say you live longer than 5 years. No problem. Problem solved. Your gross pay is $4,500. Out of pay comes FICA, state tax, federal tax, and now the ACA tax. You see, on payroll check it will show that with your gross pay of $4,500 that ACA has a monthly deduction of $150. It will be deducted in your paycheck, therefore you don’t have to worry. Thus now, after all taxes and all bills your disposable income from $700 shrunk to $550.

        Don’t worry about bank confiscation. The ACA tax will be deducted from your pay just as FICA is.

        Do you feel better? Now go and play ‘kick the can’.

        Dumbass Sheep!!!!

      33. Daisy, you go girl. I’m standing with you on Obamacare. I made my decision way back when it was being debated in congress. look at how it started off. The website crashed on the first day with an overwhelming amount of people making INQUIRIES about Obamacare, NOT signing up for it. Very few people have signed up for it so far. It will be interesting to see how many really do. Let them bring it on. braveheart

      34. I will be ignoring this law as well.

      35. it ain’t obamacare it is obamacide designed to weed out the non productive sheeps .

        when granny doesn’t get her heart medication , or little timmy dies from an asthma attack . well sadly that is most likely what it will take to wake up the sheepo majority.

      36. Joe Biden hasn’t said anything stupid lately.

        • slingshot — you mean he has lockjaw?

        • you’re all good, S T, exchanging information is what we do here.

        • S T,

          Are you aware that the website for which you provide the link is a website that publishes articles which originate from places such as the World Socialist Website?

          Aside from that, the notion that a high ranking U.S. military intelligence officer would notify his Russian liaison counterpart that the Pentagon is planning a military counter to a U.S. presidential decision, is ludicrous — no, actually, it’s beyond ludicrous.

          Don’t know whether you’re just pathetically misguided and naive, or a deliberate disseminator of communist disinformation. Either way, though, you need to be more responsible about what you post. Unfortunately, there are just enough poorly educated and ill-informed people in this country who don’t know anything about how U.S. military relations work with other countries to actually believe this nonsense in your link.

          • The readers at this website are more than capable of processing information and making their own decisions concerning the subject matter. What’s next, Anon? Removing books from America’s libraries because YOU don’t like the written content? As for the link, I will not apologize to you nor anyone else for posting it at this website.

          • No condescending retort, Anon? I’ll bet you’re busy at another website thrashing “Commies” like me who post things that you don’t personally approve of?

      37. Behold: The program that will destroy the health insurance industry. Step 1, Remove pre existing condition barriers so that people can call to get coverage from the ambulance (on the way to the hospital). Step 2, Jack up the premiums and lower the coverage to make up for the pre existing condition rule plus cover a bunch of free stuff for women. Step 3, Make the penalty (tax) for not buying insurance, less than the premiums. The result? People will not buy insurance (premiums are too expensive, paying the tax is cheaper) but WILL use the insurance ONLY when they get sick (pre existing conditions glass ceiling is gone). The insurance companies will slowly run out of cash (no one will be PAYING premiums and NOT using coverage) which will make them jack up the premiums even higher plus lower the coverage for the $, this will be a down spiral that will make health insurance a thing of the past. Congratulations America, we did it! Well we didnt personally do it, we just allowed our leaders to do it….but dont worry about them, they dont have Obamacare, not even Obama himself has it, they have something we all pay for, but that 99% of us can never afford for ourselves. Perhaps this is what we need as a country in order to wake up, get back to work and realize that there is no such a thing as a FREE LUNCH (someone always has to pay for it).

      38. Not to get off topic but… To whom it may concern, The smoking man if you will:) Whoever is running this monkey show? Enough is enough. You have your preps, and we have ours. No more of this childs play of playing “kick the can” Crash the economy, do whatever false flag event you have planned. Let’s get this over with! Enough with the race wars, debt, high priced goods, and our taxes paying for the bottom feeders to have a life for doing nothing more than just sitting on their ass!

        Enough of our taxes, paying for you Fuckers to have your big boats, and high class escorts…while I do not even have cable tv! Enough of this I can do whatever the hell I want, when I want, and get away with it attitude! Which by the way everyone has. It’s total BULLSHIT! Pull the plug already, and lets dance! Let the animals wipe themselves out! Jesse Ventura said on Piers “fag” Morgan the other day “That’s it’s time for a revolution!”

        Sadly there will not be one, because there are just not enough people willing to rise up. And those that will, are scattered far and few between. With no means of communicating with the others. Having said all that the U.S. and the rest of the world is a landfill, drop the anvil! I am ready to board up my windows, load up the shotgun, grab a smoke, and live out the rest of my life. Be it a week, a year, whatever. Eating my canned spam, and playing cards! Work free, tax free, and most of all BULLSHIT free!

        • Right on Shane!
          Good post

      39. What is wrong with you people? The Supreme Court threw the “MANDATE OUT” They cannot force anybody to buy Obamacare. The Supremes ruled it a TAX. The Mandate to buy was struck down. I don’t believe so many people don’t know this. The Media including FOX is not saying a word. PLEASE LOOK UP THE RULING BY THE SUPREME COURT The Liberal Dems & media are trying to scare you. It will be back in court again as soon as a smart person has the IRS come after them. The fine is $95 for not buying. it is in the law. Business is just going to pay the fine. WAKE UP SHEEPLE

        • sbiam.


          You just said in part ‘The Supreme Court threw the Mandate Out, They cannot force anybody to buy Obamacare.’

          Then you said, ‘The fine is $95 for not buying [Obamacare].’

          Now that is funny.

          That sounds like the mafia of old.

          Pay the $95 just so we don’t beat the shit out of you.

          • ‘That’s a nice looking healthcare industry you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it…’
            -the ghost of Al Capone

          • You are right, but if you don’t buy IRS is going to tax you at the end of the year $95.00, the Supreme Court ruled it a TAX. Most business chose the fine & are making this a PART TIME JOB nation to avoid the cost. So “WE THE PEOPLE” are paying one way or the other. The point of my post was “How many voters don’t know they cannot be forced to buy. No wonder this country is in the shape it is in. Nobody is paying attention to local government and they are enforcing AGENDA 21 all over. A lot of laws start with local & state

      40. As I see it now would be the best time to start the impeachment process on the BO . Then watch the back peddling he will do. If played right your government could undo a lot of the problems he has created. Oh but that would be a smart move by the PTB .Oh forget it I am just dreaming ????

        • Sorry Bent, but impeachment would legitimize his being there in the first place…

      41. I believe we will have a Patriot’s Spring where one state finally says it’s enough. My suspicion is it will start in of all places, California. Then spread East.
        The most oppressed, the first to rebel.

        I know it sounds crazy.

        • Slingshot — not crazy

          It’s where the Sixties anti-establishment
          revolution had it’s beginnings……

      42. How ’bout both say “no” *and* waste the f***ers, if they try something?

        Problem solved.

      43. Who was
        T h o m a s J e f f e r s o n ?

        Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.

        At 5, began studying under his cousin’s tutor.

        At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

        At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

        At 16, entered the College of William and Mary.

        At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

        At 23, started his own law practice.

        At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.

        At 31, wrote the widely circulated “Summary View of the Rights of British America” and retired from his law practice.

        At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

        At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .

        At 33, took three years to revise Virginia’s legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

        At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.

        At 40, served in Congress for two years.

        At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.

        At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

        At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.

        At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.

        At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .

        At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation’s size.

        At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

        At 65, retired to Monticello .

        At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

        At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.

        At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.

        Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

        John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the white House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: “This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”

        “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe , we shall become as corrupt as Europe .”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

        “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

        If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

        • He has been a role model of mine since I was a youth…I have a large portrait of him on my mantle and some of his best quotes on the walls to remind me constantly of liberty and the fight we are in….good post!

        • I can imagine the distain President Jefferson would have for what passes for “amuricun” these days. He was the zeinith of what the majority of Founders stood for. Self reliance, individualism and a distrust for those who sought to rule over others.

          He would have never surrendered to this tyranny, I believe he’d say it was time to water the Tree of Liberty!

      44. A Family ReUnion with Ugly (2012)….

        We had a family reunion at the Devils Tower in Wyoming.

        We were all having a great time. At about 7:33PM (MST) I decided to go for a jog. The camp area is on the west side of the Tower. Many rock climbers climb this side as it is a designated area for that. They are scary, but fun to watch.

        I was jogging mostly on the west-side of the trails and got board because I was going back and forth and my Garmin GPS watch showed only 4.1 miles to that point. I wanted to do a 10 miler or so.

        So I ventured to the east side of the Tower on a trail called Prairie Dog. It was about 8:21 PM (MST) and getting dark, soon very dark. I noticed my GPS watch acting strangely. It showed 10.22 miles and then suddenly just 9.45 miles.

        Then the bright lights. I fell prostrate to the ground with a magnetic force of at least 8Gs. I was glued to the ground. I had just enough energy to look up and noticed it was a small spaceship type. The spaceship opened and out walked a humanoid looking person.

        He walked out and had a gun that had a crystal-blue appearance with a high voltage look with a sign that said ‘High Voltage’. He told me that if I ever wanted ‘blue nuggets’ then all I needed to do was stand up and try to run.

        He then said, ‘Take Me To Your Leader’

        I said, ‘WTF?’

        I started laughing. Then he began laughing too. He said he knows and he knows me too. He said he was a smartass as well and has liked me from all of most postings. They have hacked cyberspace.

        I asked him why he was here. He said he was here in 1776 and came back to see how we were doing. He said they copied the ‘We The People’ stuff and have followed it. We are doing well, he said. Our Govt balances the budget and there are surpluses for healthcare for everyone. We are doing good.

        He said sorry to see where you guys went, especially from where you came from. He said, does not anyone care?

        Before he let me go he went back into ship and grabbed a sixer called KrytoIce. He said it was the best he could do. He said sorry about us not listening to 1776, but maybe someday.

        He let me go.

        I jogged back to camp with the sixer of KrptoIce. Everybody was amazed, but no-one believed my story.

        • Ugly.
          Funny. About two years ago we had a UFO land outside our hunt camp. Yepper we had those little grey guys asked the same question. Take us to your leader. We said o.k. but we took them mudding and introduced them to Crown and Bud Lite. It was a long night and just before sunrise they boarded their craft with all the soil samples they could handle. Waving goodbye and yelling “You all come back now”. They took off wobbling for the stars. Ain’t been back since.

          • That’s a lot nicer story than the story about the aliens who snuck over the border and took over the white house…

            • Sixpack:

              You are really on a roll tonight……

              Love it!

      45. I can hear the thunder…there’s a storm coming…

        • Naw, that was just baked bean bing bangs!

        • Nah that was me blowin the ever livin shit out of the beaver dam. Little bastards were tryin to flood everythin. But i gave em the eviction notice. Time for a big fattie an two fingers of single malt. wildman out

          • Wildman, they’re pretty good when cooked in the crockpot and seasoned.

            • Heavily… 🙂

      46. Our founding fathers would puke if they seen the bullshit this government is pulling fucking communism Time to stand up against these fuckers already. All of the veterans who died in all the wars to protect our freedom, sadly may have died in vain. Our freedoms are pretty much shot in the ass anymore. Let’s roll before we get too old to fight. They just want us who resist ,to fuckin die already. Then they will implement it with the younger brainwashed generation. Sucks to be them. I thought that’s what parents did , worked hard to have their kids have a better life than we did. That will never happen as we stand by and watch the Gov’t fucking destroy the U.S. As we knew it. Fucking tragedy. As for the “chip” I’m out on that shit. Be a lotta lead flying. I am not gonna be one of their fucking zombies. LIVE FREE OR DIE

      47. What can I say?….Ive been saying the same for a long time…I think I understand the penalties for saying NO but then again with this lawless half a cracker the rules change more than the weather…my biggest arguments are that I wont be told to buy something I don’t want or need or can afford…they are making me into a welfare bum, I refuse!…I will not be the reciepient of stolen items,taken from my fellow man by force…my God if I did it directly Id go to jail BUT if they rob and steal and then give it to me its somehow okay??? I want no part of it!!! I cant help but wonder when this starts really hurting people if it may well be the catylist that gets some of the states to stand up and rebel in order to protect themselves and their people…I can not fathom that this assault on freedom will go unanswered, that no one will fight this bassturd excuse for a president and his merry band of retards!…I am disinclined to acquiesce to this demand…I pray that enough of us say no to this thing and it blows up…then maybe we can say no to some other stupid govt BS and derail that too and so on… 🙁

      48. The issue is that the elite want to collapse the dollar. And people still think a default on the debt ceiling or Obama care has anything to do with the real agenda. So yes the reds have made a stand why what is different this time? And the blues will blame the reds for the state of the economy. So this country will be divided. Yet the elites won’t be blamed at all. Hello NWO!

      49. There is a big storm coming, people are waking up…..A lot more people than what we are aware of are not going to buy into this obamacare,,, watch and see..

        • So far there are enough not signing up in the first week that they are already offering incentives. That smells strongly of desperation. (I love the smell of desperation in October, it smells like victory!)

      50. How do the PTB’s possibly expect us not to lock and load? This is far worse than what the founders fought against.

        • Seems all roads lead to hostilities. Some worse than others.

      51. Yes, I went off about this a few days ago. Noncompliance en masse. Fuck’em with a splintered stick!

      52. Its interesting that someone would drawl a line in the sand over this issue. One would think that a host of issues prior to this would have sufficiently motivated the body politic.

        The public wants to fight the symptom rather than then the cause.

        • ‘this issue forces a citizen to engage in commerce. It criminalizes you if you don’t. Simple as that.

      53. Daisy, I’m glad somebody else (besides me) actually cracked this text open and read the damned thing. The only thing I found scarier than the text of this bill, is what may be alluded to between the lines.

        I have no intention of complying either, and I don’t have a damned thing they can take…so now what?

        • Not to mention the almost 20,000 pages of rules and additions to the bill.

      54. Does anyone besides me think this:
        You don’t buy the plan. Show up at the Dr., or ER. No national insurance card? Sorry, we can’t help you. But you have cash. Sorry, no cash. No service. But, I’m dying you say. Well,,, you CAN sign up here, pay your back penalty with the cash, NOW we can service you. Otherwise you’re SOL.

        Big bro is already controlling to an extent some of the natural remedies. They’ll get more control of that, too, just like the cold medicines that have been put behind the pharmacy. The Walgreens pharmacy here is now scanning your driver’s license when you purchase prescriptions!

        I truly believe they will find a way to force this. It may not be a mark on our person, but the beast WILL have his mark instituted!

      55. Can anyone out there sense a true false falg in the making to disrupt everything in the government right now? After the U.S. went after the muslim crazies in Somalia and Libya, the islamic wing of Somalia al shabaab is going to retaliate for this, possibly in this country. Then BO has his distraction, so does congress.

        Another issue is that the islamic nuts are waging a true war against Christians all over the place. Nigeria again, a bunch of islamic psychos hack a bunch of Christians to death, I think I read 15. Attacks all over Syria as a ancient Christian holy place is being destroyed. Attacks in Egypt are increasing on the Coptic Christians. Other countries include Iran, Pakistan, Tunsia, Qatar, Lebanon, Iraq, Chad, even Kuwait. These people are outnumbered and almost never do anything to disturb the muslims. These diaper heads just show their true colors as bullies and sadists that just want to inflict pain and death on people that can’t fight back.

        In honor of the islamic psychopaths that will one day murder a bunch of innocent American somewhere, I found a humorous video, with some foul language, that shows exactly what islam, the koran, and the pedophile sicko devil prophet muhammad are all about. It is called “phophet muhammad drawings against blasphemy and sharia law”. The cult of islam peaceful is probably one of the most incorrect statement ever put out by the MSM.

        • Southern border is open

        • something may happen in the next two weeks,keep an eye out.

      56. If only more of our people (and congress)had the thought process of this founding father, Thomas Jefferson.

        Here’s some words of wisdom from the past that we could apply to today-

        -A republican government is slow to move, yet once in motion it’s momentum becomes irresistible.

        -Determine never to be idle…It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing.

        -Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it.

        -Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day.

        -Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.

        -Honesty is the first chapter of the book of wisdom.

        -I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

        -I cannot live without books.

        -I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it.

        -I have never believed there was one code of morality for a public and another for a private man.

        -I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.

        -I like the dreams of the future better than the history of the past.

        -I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.

        -In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.

        -It is neither wealth nor splendor, but tranquility and occupation which give happiness.

        -Laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the general progress of the human mind.

        -Never fear the want of business. A man who qualifies himself well for his calling, never fails of employment.

        -Never spend your money before you have it.

        -Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.

        -The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

        -The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive.

        -The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.

        -Walking is the best possible exercise. Habituate yourself to walk very far.

        -We confide in our strength, without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it.

        -We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.

        -When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

        -I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

        -Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.

        -I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.

        -That peace, safety, and concord may be the portion of our native land, and be long enjoyed by our fellow-citizens, is the most ardent wish of my heart, and if I can be instrumental in procuring or preserving them, I shall think I have not lived in vain.

        -I have the consolation of having added nothing to my private fortune during my public service, and of retiring with hands clean as they are empty.

        -No government ought to be without censors & where the press is free, no one ever will.

        -Health is worth more than learning.

        -If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.

        -An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.

        -Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object.

        -Advertisements… contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.

        -A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation.

        -It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.

        -The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

        -Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government…

        -A little rebellion now and then…is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.

        -I never told my religion nor scrutinize that of another. I never attempted to make a convert nor wished to change another’s creed. I have judged of others’ religion by their lives, for it is from our lives and not from our words that our religion must be read. By the same test must the world judge me.

        -If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.

        -The Price Of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance.

        -I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

        -We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.

        -Democracy is 51% of the people taking away the rights of the other 49%.

        -Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have … The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.

      57. Hate to be the otherside, but–

        I have two jobs. One I work for someone and the other is our own business. In the past, the employer that I work for provided the insurance which cost them around $250 per employee family.

        Now, because of the ACA, the employer dropped the insurance unless we paid it ourselves. All employees dropped it because they had a spouse that worked somewhere else and the insurance was cheaper thru the other employer.

        For me, I am a sole source income and thus had nowhere else to go. So I stayed with the family insurance plan and it costs me $1,300 per month. Yes, $1,300 per month is out of my check (gross pay $5,200).

        Does any other self-employed person out there pay this much? My accountant said this was a typical healthcare payment for those self-employed or employed by a small business owner.

        You see, for me, with the ACA I would be most likely paying less while others will pay more.

        But I am still not signing. I won’t do it because it is one step that leads to more steps. But boy, I cannot afford any more premium raises.

        • I would have been paying close to 960/month for 1 person covered meds and everything,
          I in stead have been puting my money elsewhere,
          Now it appears i have been doing the right thing by shunning the system and i will continue to do so.

        • I tried a few years ago to get an individual Blue Cross policy for myself. I was quoted over $1,800 per month. That was more than I was taking home from my last job, 9 years ago. So they have been gouging for years.

      58. Ontario, Canada, $750 a year for health insurance.
        Why would you pay that a month, unless you are being forced to subsidize the illiterate Obamama phone crowd, as well as the illegals. The socialist just love catering to the lazy.

      59. I have been quite vocal at work and anywhere else I go that under no circumstances will I abide with any provision of *Obamacare* No matter the cost or potential injury. I refuse to abide with this goverment`s mandate on what is not it`s property and earnings.

        • I agree with Wade. There is no reward great enough or no punishment harsh enough to make me comply. I don’t care what the supreme court rules. this is uncounstitional. All government spending is a Tax a tax to be paid by the making producers or in the case if deficete spending a tax on some future producing maker. Ruling its a tax still doesn’t negate the fact the citizens are forced to engage in commerce!

      60. If the government will go belly-up in a year if we don’t all sign on to this thing, then why fear the 2016 penalties? If everyone who can just opts out for 2014 and gives enough to church and charities to write off the same amount of tax as the penalty, wouldn’t it have the effect as what Daisy advocates without the appearance of lawlessness? This time next year Obamacare will have failed, the economy will be tanking and the public who did sign up will have their blinders off, knowing full well that their is not free lunch coming their way. Just my $2 worth,

        • Sigi, one of the basic issues here is that you have a goverment demanding you buy something simply by virtue of you being alive. If a person will not draw the line and say no more, this is not yours, at what point will people decide to jump out of the kettle of water hanging on the fire ?
          As there are very few sure things in life, you can`t count on a goverment shutdown to rescue us from this tax,per the Supreme Court ruling. Funny how it`s proclaimed a law everywhere else. A person has to decide for themselves when enough is enough and its time to resist and refuse to comply. I know this gets tossed out often, but remember, Every thing Adolf Hitler did was legal. Law is a very poor thing with out the proper basis.

      61. This is why you take all your money out of the bank and get off of the grid.

      62. BRAVO DAISY!…WAY TO GO!!! 🙂

        I applaud the text and tenor of your piece whole-heartedly. As well, more than ‘honorable mentions’ to both KY and Socrates, respectively, for such a well assembled lead comment, and Socrates for a treat consisting of my absolute favorite flavor, “Jeffersonian…with a Cherry on top!!”

        To whomn is not NOW CLEAR that should the existing Federal Government of these once “United States’
        continue as consisted, then ‘We, the People…’ will BE NO MORE.

        Some of you may have seen Keanu Reeves playing in the modern remake of, “The Day the Earth Stood Still”, in which at one point he explains Humankinds dilema, as well as hia own race’s interpretation thereof, saying,

        “If YOU live…then the Earth Dies. If YOU die, then the Earth WILL Live.”

        Such is what I here suggest – in no uncertain terms – Ladies and Gentlemen. The Federal Government has become a bloated organsim that is consuming the very heart of Life of this once Great Nation, one which the Founders had they eyes yet to witness what has become of what they made would be no less than an Obscenity in thier Sight…IF it should continue – unabated – in it’s present form the consequences will be, IMHO, not less than the extermination of Humanity – at it’s OWN hand – from this sphere.

        “How so?” you might well ask. In the World there IS a certain ‘Karmic Justice” which operates slowly indeed, here it will come as follows: As the inequity and injustice which is today embodied in thre Federal behemoth continues, the final reflexive reponse of all Peoples on this World will mount till possibly the END comes for all in a Final, Definitive onflict…. encompassing EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. None will be spared when multiple hundreds of damgaed, unattended nuclear reactors spew forth that which will SEAL the fates of ALL HUMANITY. Yime is short People “Think, only then ACT.”

        Many thanks to those I have mentioned above…ALL have contributed ‘meaningfully’ to the dialogue which MUST occur ere comes the SOLUTIOB that will allow us to continue as a specie ‘pon this small, frail World. As I said upon my return, “I am humbled to be in such GOOD company…and forevermore grateful that my Father has sen fit to place me here in the World in THIS age, irrespective of the dangers at hand…for in days to come those who succeed us will speak of mamy of those here today – living People! – as we ourselves speak of the Founders….in reverence!


        NUFF SAID!


      63. If obammy care is so awesome how come kathleen sebelius is not signed up for it ?

      64. Ha! Ha! Ha!

        You admit that Obmacare will actually make health costs cheaper for your family, yet you refuse it, deeming it government control?

        And you moved BACK from Canada, where we’ve had universal health care for decades??!

        You guys absolutely crack me up. You all agree that your population is broke and getting poorer by the second, yet refuse to accept a health model which most of the modern industrialized world has already embraced.

        You’d rather pay your dwindling dollars to predatory health “care” corporations who routinely gouge you and try to renig on legitmate claims.

        You refuse to accept that a healthy population = a healthy workforce and yes, even a healthy liberty loving resistance.

        Complete comedy.

        • Actually she said that subsidies would make it cheaper for her family than the costs quoted up front. Read to comprehend instead of to argue. She also said that the deductibles are so high that they won’t pay for her family’s medical care. How is this supposed to create a healthier population? It cannot. It is a boondoggle.

        • This “Healthcare” was passed by one party with no input from half the population. Ok we’ll do the healthcare,bring the boys home so you’ll have to triple your expenditures for defense. No more goodies for other nations,no more police actions to protect other countries so we can pay for our healthcare. We are forced to buy a product that nobody wants,that congress and the president won’t sign up for,no chance for exemptions that congress,unions and companies get and less coverage that we had before. Because of it there will be less jobs,people forced into part time and taxes galore ending up with as many people without healthcare than before. Keep bragging Canada!

      65. I’ve been asking this question a lot and no one seems to be able to answer this……what happened to the 28th Admendment? …Did they change the Admendment to another Admendment, to exclude themselves??????

      66. The Obama care forces me to engage in commerce. If I refuse to purchase im deemed a criminal subject to punishment. because of or for doing absolutly nothing. Now that is entirely different from the requirements and fees you pay and adhere to when for example owning & driving a car. First no one is forced to own a car no one is forced to obtain a drivers licence. You are not deemed a criminal and subject to punishment if you chose not to drive. It went all the way back to the Magna Carta that a man cannot be forced to pay for goods & services that he personally did not order. The Supreme court got it wrong,, for me this is the straw that breaks the camels back, Ill not comply. The fact is a government can only tax & police its citizens to the amount that the citizens allow. I personaly will not this tax to be forced on me. Don’t tread on me.

      67. Well,won’t be in the program either,but then,not much to steal from me.I suppose (already done)property ect. can be held in LLC and you are just a tenant.Own assets outright and if necc. hide em,keep bank accounts to bare minimum for so many reasons.Also,lets face it,we hit a default on the 17 of October this will be way down on the priority list!

      68. Well,won’t be in the program either,but then,not much to steal from me.I suppose (already done)property ect. can be held in LLC and you are just a tenant.Own assets outright and if necc. hide em,keep bank accounts to bare minimum for so many reasons.Also,lets face it,we hit a default on the 17 of October this will be way down on the priority list!As folks harassed/jailed ect. will just bring on more push back,not a bad thing.

      69. Rosa Parks just said, “No”. She was only 42 years old although she is often depicted as a much older woman. She was tired from her usual day of work but much more tired mentally from a system that kept beating her spirit down. That day, she said, “No”. She would not give up her seat on the bus and would not comply with an unfair system. Exactly right, Daisy…do not comply.

      70. Another example of defecating on the First Amendment of Free Speech.

        The masses because of this political correctness toxin in them are in full swing to ban anything that is deemed “INAPPROPRIATE”. We are all seeing firsthand, the first generation ever, the full dying of all of our freedoms right in front of our eyes. The masses of zombies in full compliance with a government all too happy with getting rid of anything that stands in the way of total control.

        • These people in government dont want anyone to rain on their parade, they are starting to grasp at straws and are franticly trying to keep their scharade going, the obamacare debacle will wake millions, there are many middle class liberals who thought obummercare would fix it all, they will wake up to reality when they figure out their saviour was bullshitting them. Their personal info will be compromized by the government mismanagement and they will be socked with higher premiums, then any dissent will be squashed by MSM and government meddlers.
          This is just the previews, get your popcorn and 48oz soda and a thing of m&ms and red vines and sit back to watch the show, thats about all the government is good for these days is morbid entertainment.

      71. @ Shootit. This is not only about medical BO care, it is about control and being able to backdoor the national ID system. Remember what BO says, EVERYONE will have “affordable” care. That one little word is key here, EVERYONE. That means a RECORD of everyone. A record of everyone means you know much more about an individual in a national database.

        Next it has to do with FORCING people to COMPLY. This is also key to TYRANNY. When you can get the masses to comply on something, there is more to come. You can FORCE other issues to further the nazi agenda of MAKING people OBEY the government.

        Next, you have the first stages of “medical” IMPLANTS. They will tell you that all medical implants are for rapid medical information to aid in saving lives. Horsesh$%. The mark of the beast in the hand or other part of your body. Since you have to have BO care in some form, you will also one day have to have a medical implant in your body to have access to BO care, which you must have. An “medical” implant in the body will also be the ONLY way you can deal business and buy food. Sounds an awful like 666 to me.

        Then you have the issue of the death of currency and the ONLY way to purchase what you need is through some type of credit linked to some centralized source. Again, to solve fraud the government will require your little implant.

        This is all a set of a series of foundation blocks in the whole scheme of the mark of the beast. This might sound like science fiction, but it has too many logical steps that a beast government will use to corral everyone into their control of everyone. Sneaky and deceptive. BO care is not about getting people health care, it is about something extremely evil that is talked about in many beliefs throughout the world. A George Orwell HELL, beast government, and the times before the end. 🙁

        • they wont implant me !

          they can try .. but I think it would be very hard to do that medical procedure with a .45 pointed in their face..yep I do carry to the doctors office, I carry everywhere!

          everyone should, and start refusing anything they don’t agree with, and back it up with a big stick!

          • VRF
            We should all be carrying every where. As a cop that doesn’t bother me at all. That is if you are a law abiding citizen with no Felony convictions. Hell I carry all the time what makes me any better than you. Because I wear a badge, I don’t think so.
            That poor guy in NY. in the van that those turd on the motor cycles beat the S#$T out of. If he was armed how far would you think that would have went?
            Keep them clean and loaded.

            • Roger that!

      72. never had the slightest intention of participating in this bullspit.

        get your money out of the banks and put it into silver, gold, anything you can hold in your hand.

      73. Affordable Health care act Or Obullshit care!
        To start with it is only affordable for the leaches that are already sucking the life out of our county. Those leaches pay nothing, and if they are in the right “low income” because they are leaches they get subsidies.


        This whole thing is going to be taken from the HARD WORKING AMERICANS! They will pay for this out the BUTT.
        If you think for one second that this is the price you are going to pay this year is going to be the same next year you are living in DREAM LAND. Some one said that the taxes they take out of your hard earned (if you have a job) pay check will go up around 50% more in around 5 years.

        Now as far as having a job? I just talked to two young men Sunday that asked me if I know anyone hiring. both told me that they just had their hours cut to 28 hours a week. The reason Obullshit care. One of them told me that I would more than likely be picking him because he wasn’t going to pay for insurance he was not going to pay the fine. I toll him if I hear that they are looking for him I told him I would let him know, and that I refuse to pick him up.

        This Obullshit Care is a frigging A TAX A TAX A TAX. This government (both parties) are taxing us to death.

        The day of reckoning is coming over taxation!!! 237 years ago it started a REVOLUTION! I believe its going to start another one. Our for father got pissed over them trying to take guns away from us, taxing tea, and several other thing, and they said enough! I’M ASYING ENOUGH! Lets party. (Boston tea party ring a bell)

        For me I’m not paying for it. They can stick it!!!

        • yep,, time to party like its 1776!

      74. The words abominable and abomination come to mind. For OBAMA NATION is an abomination. For the elite I now use the word delete. Why is this important because you are right, the fight has started, and a great place to start is with words. (Probably not the place it will end), for they can go a long way to waking people up in becoming a simple focal point. For example, Dave Hodge mentions “Coincidence Theory” which I have used several times as contrasted with Conspiracy Theory. We need a mass (10% they say) to effect the battle

        God’ speed all

      75. I would think Sentry and Watchman are good names for people like us.


      76. BI.

        The events that are unfolding before us makes me believe that it is inevitable that some level of civil unrest will occur. The cards are stacked too high against us. Although each one by itself can be handle with minimum discord, the total amount we face are insurmountable for the correction of these injustices.
        I truly feel we are a sailing ship at sea in a terrible storm and those sailors aboard her, cry out for salvation to God above. How frightening it must be to see an enrage sea along with high winds as the ship takes on water. Her masts broken and sails torn. The bilge pumps are unable to handle the liquid intrusion into the hull and eventually the ship slips below the water. A once majestic vessel now rests on the bottom of the seafloor. Were there survivors? That answer lies in the days ahead after the storm passes.
        So as it is today we see the storm clouds gathering. We can try to outrun the storm but it is all encompassing. The winds are beginning to howl.
        It is that one moment before all is lost that decides you fate. The go down with the ship or enter the lifeboat. There will be a time we decide to open our gun safes, withdraw our weapons and lock and load. We have green water upon our decks and any sailor knows that peril.

        • Slingshot:
          Damn man that was GREAT!!!
          I for one have all ready loaded my mags. It won’t take much more for me to open my safe, and start handing out the weapons. I pray that it doesn’t come to that. For me I don’t know how much more I can take.
          There are things I see coming down from TPTB everyday at my job that makes me sick. It has gotten to the point of me getting so Pissed I have to get out of the station and go on patrol just to get away from it and not to have to hear some of the crap!!!
          Folks there are a lot of LEOs out here that are sick and tired of the unconstitutional things that are here and are coming. If we turn in our badges we can’t and won’t know what is coming so we can warn you folks. Believe me the STORM is here and the boat is sinking and they are about to move. Watch out for a major false flag!!! I just wish I knew just when because I would let you know.

          • Mr Dale
            I have a question I’d like to ask you , because it seems you have your head on straight as a cop.

            What are your superiors, or leaders teaching and telling you boys in blue these days that makes shooting first and asking questions or making up a cover story for your bothers after the fact, a common norm these days? ( you guys are getting scary)Question 1

            what are they telling you guys that have you all so dam jumpy? Question 2

            I in no way mean this line of questioning in a condescending way..I see what everyone else awake is seeing..I just want an honest answer.

            I have no problems respecting someone who shows respect toward me…Im also not your problem out there, so I have had no run ins with the law..but I fear its only a matter of time til I run across one of your gang that decides im his bitch for the day.

            Thanks for your service, we need good people out there.
            I wouldn’t want to be without the good cops, but we dam sure can do without the meat heads.

            • VRF
              Let me try to answer your questions.
              #1 Its not what the superiors are telling us it what the new guys are being taught. The kids are coming into the police world being told that everyone is out to kill you. And everyone you meet are scum not people.
              The shot first and ask question later is more from lack of training. The cities would rather put in planters and trees waisting the money on that, rather that paying the officers to go to training.
              Hell the last time I qualified I had to supply my own ammo. The city didn’t pay for it until I turned in a receipt. The cities are broke no tax review coming in.
              As far as making up stories you just tell what you see and the Superiors puts all the stories together (only the good point) and then that is what you hear on the news.
              #2 Its more from what I’m hearing coming from the kids in uniform. Things like taking orders from the Feds. and bullshit like that. The one that bothers me the most is THEY DON’T KNOW IF THEY WOULD OR WOULDN’T FIRE ON THE PUBLIC. OR STAND UP TO THE BLUE HELEMETS. THIS SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER. IF THEY FIRE ON THE PUBLIC I’M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OFF MY BADGE AND OPEN FIRE ON THEM. ITS THAT SIMPLE FOR ME. THE ONLY TIME I COULD SEE FIRING ON SOMEONE IS IF THEY SHOOT AT ME FIRST.
              The other thing that bugs me is the equipment we are getting, Hum Vees, armored personnel carries, M4’s just to name a few things. We don’t need this stuff unless the Gov. knows something big is coming!
              VRF I hope I this helps.

          • Thank you Sgt.
            And may God’s Light flow upon you and your mates.
            Let the colors come, let the color of the Good Guys be the old color, the color of white, for purity.
            Take up armbands, to know thy enemy.
            Know, that YOU and we, are the Hands of God’s Justice…the III are everywhere. Brothers of the III, the colors of the Field are White.
            So sayth the Piper of the Messiah.

            et al.:
            The Final Battle looms, are YOU on the right side?
            How will you know what ‘side’ you are on, without the colors? You will pay the Piper for your lukewarmness.
            The message to the Churches is, To make a Stand for God or lose your moral authority.

            Weird has become the Way, evil was made good, and good was made evil, and the Church of Mystery’s time is almost done. There will be no false rapture, a doctrine of devils that keeps you apathetic and in submission to ‘Godly authority’. Where is Godliness? Where is righteousness? They murder The Innocents, the unborn, and now they make you pay for it? You have been warned, do you have eyes that see?

            Know the Evil Ones, sell your coat of comfort, and buy a sword of truth, aim small, shoot small. Make your preparations, a wise man see’s the storm on the horizon, and moves his stock into the barn.

            Disobedience to tyrants, is obedience to God.
            So sayth the Piper.

            Join the Black Robe Regiment, or suffer in the whirlwind you have sewed in apathy.

            • Piper
              Thanks for the blessing and prays.
              May the Lord watch over you and yours.

        • Time to throw “Jonah” overboard.

      77. “In reality, Obamacare and the subsidies my family is eligible for would make the cost incredibly reasonable – but that is not the point.”

        I really don’t need to say anything else. Maybe THIS is the reason the US is tanking economically. People who demand higher prices!

        And for everyone concerned about medical privacy issues, if you think that that the big corporations haven’t already compromised and sold your medical history 5 times over, you’re delusional.

        • Cpt.
          Who is paying for your subsidies? I can tell you someone else. That is not right. That person has worked for his or her money now it is paying for y0our subsidies! That is what it is all about I would help you in a heart beat, if you ask, But just taking it from me PISSES ME OFF. I’m sorry if it offends you, but paying for your subsidies offends me!! Why not ask for higher prices they will just tax the S#%t out of the hard working people in Amereica!!!!

          • We all pay in, and we’re all covered. All the time.

            If we get sick, or if we have a long term illness, we’re covered. We don’t have corporate bean counters trying to find loopholes in hopes of denying us care, and bolstering their bottom line.

            If we decide to have a kid, it doesn’t cost us 10’s of thousands of dollars.

            As a result our society is stronger for it. As are the many other modern industrialized countries who have adopted universal healthcare.

            For a bunch of so called “patriots” it boggles my mind that you’d refuse to see that a healthy population makes your country stronger.

            • Cpt.
              We all pay? No! The middle class pays. The rest gets subsidies.

              If you have long term? Obullshit care has death panels. If your over age 60 your toast. Unless you get the subsidies that the middle class is paying for.

              If you want kids? You pay for them I shouldn’t have to pay for your kids. I paid for all 4 of mine.

              Universal Health car? Look around it doesn’t work.

              Healthy Population? Take care of your self! Most of the major problems today are self inflected. Only if your get subsidies. The problem with this is there is always going to be sick people. Its called thinning of the herd. lots foxes no rabbits, lots of rabbits no foxes the circle just keeps going. Sickness and diseases is what thins the herds known as Man.
              You believe what you want. Obullshit care is going to be a nightmare!!!

              • Its worked in Canada for decades. Payment is on a sliding scale, the higher the tax bracket the more you pay. It is not by any means debilitating.

                Too bad the mentality down south is more akin to “thinning the herd” rather than creating a compasionate society. Sounds like something I’d see on the Walking Dead.

                • If it works so well in Canada! Why are they running south to the USA for treatment?

      78. “In reality, Obamacare and the subsidies my family is eligible for would make the cost incredibly reasonable – but that is not the point.”

        I really don’t need to say anything else. Maybe THIS is the reason the US is tanking economically. People who demand higher prices!

        And for everyone concerned about medical privacy issues, if you think that that the big corporations haven’t already compromised and sold your medical history 5 times over, you’re delusional.

      79. You don’t have to pay license fees, car insurance, etc. Just don’t drive on public funded roads. There is no “free lunch”.

        • Yes that sounds like , women do Not have to get Raped. All they have to do is agree to have sex whenever a man asks for it right? You use typical lib tactics and compare it to some other issue that has zero to do with the main problem.

          Free lunch is not the deal. It is that They are forceing You to eat lunch and eat whatever they determine is good to eat. Do You get it yet?

      80. “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.”

        “All it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing.”
        -Edmund Burke

        Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

        “The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, He was appalled that there was no one to intervene.” (Isaiah 59:15-16)

        “Blessed are they who maintain justice” (Psalm 106:3)

        Now they are kicking old people out of their homes? That sit on ‘government property’?
        The Federal has become FERAL, as in; Animal, A Beast.

        Disobedience to tyrants, is obedience to God.
        I will not comply, I will not submit.
        I refuse to pay for the murder of the unborn, or the free lifestyles of the immoral hedonists, the faggots and sluts. If God deals not with America, then, He must apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah…

        We are God’s hands of justice. There is no more ‘Godly authority’ to submit to, Preacher men. They have lost their moral authority, they given up their right to govern. They are the voice of Sodom in Mammon, those who worship Death, led by the False Prophet of Coveting, who prays to The False Prophet; Mohammed.

        In whatever you decide to do brothers of the III, whatever you believe, know that you execute His Will when you fight evil. Know that the Final Battle is between Good and Evil, life vs death. The Darkness has arrived and the madness comes. How can we pound our swords in the light if there is no humanity left? Enoch and the Hopi had it right, preacher men turned it into a MYSTERY for the profit of apathy, they are the Mother and Daughter of Harlots that rides the Beast. They are the power of mystery that divides the People, into ten toes of iron and clay, mind vs emotions, on the two legs of ideology, under the Head of Gold that makes the rules. Is God wroth with His Church?

        Prophecy has become history if you see in God’s Time, spiritual relativity, that a thousand years is as a day, and a day is as a thousand years. The horsemen have ridden for an age, the final age of men governing man. The paradigms have shifted, from the white horse of the Holy Roman empire, through the Red horse of the Kings, and now the black horse of the scales of bankers with black hearts, will come the failure of money, and the Pale Green horse will ride. Led by a Tall Dark man of the West, who is with them. See the writings on the wall, people of God. The time grows short, wickedness turns to madness in the strengthened power of the dark force, as the spirit dims and the love of many waxes cold. The Dark man has come, it is time to make a Stand.

        The Revelation of Enoch has come, the Fire clay tablet is found, the knowledge of The Imp of Darkness has been raised from the Bottomless pit, dark energy is real, it is you, it is the power in the rocks. The Revelation of the Direct Knowledge of God, that conquers, so that ‘the Mystery of God is finished…’ revealed and proven in the language of God, at the Nexus of Religion and Science, in the power of the Rocks, anti gravity. That New Jerusalem may come, the star child is born, and the New Heavens and the New Earth may be. There will be no rapture, there will be Pentecost, a spiritual energy event, God is wisest.

        Let him who has eyes to see, understand.

      81. Off topic

        Truckers rally on washington

        Might i suggest that the 100 head principal be applied if any ill will befalls any of our trucker brothers and sisters this weekend at the hands of the federal stasi

        This could be the event TPTB plan to exploit to lock all down

        • I posted something on the following thread Kfarmer..I hope Mac allows it on the forum..

          • “We are not going to ask for impeachment,” Conlon said. “We are coming whether they like it or not. We’re not asking for impeachment, we’re asking for the arrest of everyone in government who has violated their oath of office.”

            Conlon cited the idea of a citizens grand jury – meaning a pool of jurors convened without court approval – as the mechanism for indicting the officials.

            • remember zone 3 fema alert?


        • Sir,

          I have read you on the internet and believe in what your doing. One day the ATF will come to count coup on you & take your head. I promise to take One hundred heads for yours.

          Cheyenne 0317/8541

          I do not ask you to take those hundred heads, sir, but I appreciate the commitment to our common cause that such a promise implies. I do not know what the future may bring, but if it should be grim I merely ask that you get the right hundred heads.

          In liberty, and with gratitude,

          Mike Vanderboegh

          (should be sent to every member of this corrupt administration and all members of congress; special delivery)

      82. Why not use the law to protect ourselves. People think the Supreme Court was wrong by ruling the Obamacare a TAX. “Did he?” The Constitution only allows two types of taxes” Direct & Indirect! Direct taxs ” Obamacare” is a direct tax & MUST be applied per rule of Apportionment!!!!! Know the law or be “FLEECED”

        • The Obama Lawyers argued their case saying it was not a TAX… but, Justice Roberts contorted his logic like a cheap soggy pretzel and called it a TAX.

          Therefore, because ACA originated in the SENATE and a Tax cannot originate in the Senate, but must originate by representatives, this is unconstitutional..

        • The Obama Lawyers argued their case saying it was not a TAX… Justice Roberts contorted his logic like a cheap soggy pretzel and called it a TAX.

          Therefore, because ACA originated in the SENATE, not the House, and a Tax cannot originate in the Senate, it is unconstiutional..

        • The Obama Lawyers argued their case saying it was not a TAX… Justice Roberts contorted his logic like a cheap soggy pretzel and called it a TAX.

          Therefore, because ACA originated in the SENATE, not the House, and a Tax cannot originate in the Senate, it is unconstitutional..

        You may be eligible for official permission that excuses you from having to pay the penalty for being uninsured. The requirements are:
        a) If the cheapest health care plan available costs more than 8 percent of your MAGI after subtracting the tax credit or employer contribution, whichever is applicable.
        b) Your income is so low that you aren’t required to file federal income taxes.
        c) You are between jobs and without insurance for up to three months.
        d) You have a sincerely-held religious belief that prevents you from seeking and obtaining medical care.
        e) You are in jail.
        f) You are an undocumented immigrant.
        g) You are a member of an Indian tribe or a religious group currently exempt from paying Social Security tax.
        If item d) is the case, you must file a sworn statement as part of your tax return, and should you obtain care during the tax year, the exemption will no longer apply and you will have to pay a penalty for being uninsured. Per H.R. 6597, medical care is defined as acute care at a hospital emergency room, walk-in clinic or similar facilities. Medical care excludes treatment not administered or supervised by a medical doctor such as chiropractic, dental, midwifery, personal care assistance, optometry, physical exams or treatment where required by law or third parties such as an employer, and vaccinations.

      84. I’m not joining either. First of all it’s PHONY like our illegal president. BTW, all his laws and papers he signed are not legit at all.

        Second, we are the MAJORITY and we are being ruled by the MINORITY. They are a minority for a reason. Just look at them, radicals, liberals, leftist, gay, lesbians, commies, etc.

        So, if we don’t like it we can ignore it because this is definitely NOT Constitutional. Almost everything they do is NOT Constitutional anyway.

        Even income tax is illegal.

      85. I hate to burst bubbles, but you have no choice to NOT participate. That is not an option. Your elected officials will draw your blood or take your house if you dont pay.

        You will participate whether you want to or not. Thats the cold reality of it all!

        Its not like you will start a revolution over it. Those days are past.

        • you are incorrect. you are welcome to hide and watch me NOT PARTICIPATE.

        • Ric your wrong there is no punishment harsh enough to force me or no reward great enough entice me to comply. They take my house ill burn it. They can take my life it don’t matter for this old guy this is the last straw. I might be a one person revolution. contrary to what many think. Democracy isn’t such a good thing. A democracy is mob rule its two wolves and a sheep voting on who to eat for dinner. What the founders created is a Republic. In a Republic the inalienable God given rights named in the US Counstition & bill of rights cannot be infringed. The Counstitional rights of the few cannot be denied even if the few is just one person and the many is everyone else. The cold reality I may not kill the traitor that implemented the unlawful trodding upon me but I can & will do the best I can to take out whoever they send to enforce it.

      86. Tax law does not apply since the IRS is strictly a debt collection agency, thusly they are required to follow Title 15. The IRS has no way to verify the debt even if they can verify taxes. W-2’s and 1099’s are only evidence that some one has paid something, not that someone owes something.

        start studying here

        TITLE 15 > CHAPTER 41 > SUBCHAPTER V > § 1692

      87. Thanks for your courage – and clear writing – Daisy!

      88. I have no problems with people who wish to opt out of Obamacare. I however also hope that the very same people, should God forbid they need medical care will not look to the govt. or their neighbor to pay for their medical services. The reality however will be, the very same people who refuse to purchase Obamacare will also refuse to pay their medical bills.In other words they are looking for a handout. I have nothing against being free to decide what you wish to do, but you can’t have it both ways.

      89. You people are out of your f…g minds!! I bet you even LOVE and CLING to your guns and shoot helpless little animals!! I stumbled upon this website accidentally. Now I know how the NUTS live and think. I can only feel very, very sorry for you and say that if you don’t like this country and the great things that Obama is trying to do for us–THEN LEAVE!!!

        • ***You people are out of your f…g minds!! I bet you even LOVE and CLING to your guns and shoot helpless little animals!!***

          Damn straight, mary–and then you buy them at your favorite grocery.

          • I don’t eat the rotting flesh of dead animals and I certainly could never bring myself to KILL them!! “Thou shalt not kill”. Ever hear about that one? Anyone who hunts is a heartless killer, I don’t care what your reasons are.

            • Mary:
              You will eat anything when you are truly hungry. Thou shall not kill is not for animals that God gave us dominion over. Thou shall not kill is not translated right. The correct translation is not kill, it is murder. Look it up.

              • “animals that God gave us dominion over?” I don’t think so. Please prove there is any kind of god. Good luck. and please don’t start the insane jew-written book “bible’ chants. Animals are a higher life form than the ANIMAL POS called:homo sapiens.

            • Mary me Marybai!

        • What is wrong with you??? We love this country and are truly sickened by what our elected officials have done to it. We prepare ourselves and our family to make it through any disaster, natural or manmade. Unfortunately, a manmade disaster is most likely. My family and I will not need to be rescued off any roof, nor will we be a strain on limited resources when shit hits the fan, because people like us here have the intelligence to see it coming and will prepare ourselves. What will you do when there are no more grocery stores? Or electricity? Or water? Or martial law is enacted? How dare you criticize us now when you will be the first selling yourself to feed your children.

        • ‘Is trying’?

          He’s had 5 years now, and his chickens are coming home to roost.

      90. Come home Daisy.

      91. Only the zombie sheeple masses will comply. They love to feed the Beast System! They love to pay their extortion/taxes towards their own demise!

      92. You realize you are already being forced to buy car insurance or get a ticket/fine and pay taxes at least three times, right?

        • Sam your full of it. Only sheeple try and justify the wrong of it by comparing it to other things. There is a very big difference. No Im not forced to buy car insurance. If I chose not to own a car or drive a car if I don’t purchase auto insurance there are no penalities. However If I don’t buy health insurance Im deemed a criminal subject to penality. I become a outlaw for doing nothing! the Obama care forces me to engage in commerce. That’s the difference Im being forced to buy goods & services that I did not personally order.

      93. The author realizes driving is not a right, its a privilege? He can choose to walk or bike, heck, ride a horse (no buggy though). These extra fees typically pay for road maintenance. Now I dislike having to pay a tax (the supreme court ruled in favor once Obama changed his tune saying it was a tax not a fee) as it was not intended by the founding fathers. I stopped reading when he used an invalid argument about the licensing and insurance bit. It’s been destroyed so many times it’s only ignorant people that still use it. You’re free to use private roads without any of it. You’re free to trailer your vehicle to private property and drive it (with permission of the owner of said land of course if its not yours) without insurance, registration, etc.

        Please, re-write your argument in an intelligent manner and intelligent people might read it. I for one saved my time and sanity by stopping at the first paragraph.

        • Mike L Not altogether true. I have to pay a tribute to the state annually for my parked and locked trailer or car on private property that never sees any highway as well.

      94. Daisy. They are coming with Co2 taxes, increase in energy tax, and value added sales and production tax and several more. They are lined up to be implemented over the next few years. Obamacare is just for starters. F the tax exempt NGO’s and corporations. This frog is done too.

      95. I guess you refuse to buy auto insurance too?

      96. I do not have all the actual statutes, codes, etc. But first of all, you do not have to pay for car insurance in order to drive your PERSONAL Vehicle. Every state has a state minimum liability coverage. All you have to have is SURETY Bond for that minimum and have it RECORDED with the state public records. BAM!! no more monthly insurance.

        In the case you are financing the vehicle and the finance company requires insurance, all you have to have is insurance to cover that vehicle.

        As for the Drivers Licenses … WE have been pre-programmed to believe we HAVE to have this in order to transport/travel on roads in our PERSONAL vehicle. A Driver is defined as someone who drives in order to make a living or does it for money. IE a taxi cab driver, truck driver, etc. You are not required to have a Drivers License in order to Travel in your personal vehicle to the store, to/from work, Sunday drives, etc. Basically, you have the RIGHT to travel on roads built by your servants(IE you elected government officials and such). Licensing is unlawful of a free people. We are a free people, therefore, it is UNLAWFUL to REQUIRE you to have a LICENSE in order to travel upon our roads, IF you are not using it for commerce or trade, using ordinary transportation of the day.

        CASE #1: “The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived.” Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

        CASE #2: “The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

        It could not be stated more directly or conclusively that citizens of the states have a common law right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S Constitution.

        CASE #3: “The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment.” Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

        CASE #4: “The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right.” Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

        Again BAM!!!!!

        Now, Continuing with your RIGHTS to travel, you have the RIGHT, not PRIVILEGE to travel. Therefore you do not need GOVERNMENT permits or papers to travel. Get it? You do not need to “register” your vehicle, or “License plate”. It is unlawful. See this link …

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