What Does It Mean to “Prepare for the Economic Collapse”?

by | Dec 24, 2012 | Emergency Preparedness | 391 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    Last week I wrote an article in response to the media’s vilification of preppers in the aftermath of the horrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut.  The article was quoted in an article on Yahoo.com, to my great astonishment, and that is when I saw how little most people understand about prepping.  You can see in most of the 4492 comments the article received that many folks just don’t “get it”.

    My inbox was filled with a barrage of  hate mail and a number of people felt compelled to leave angry (and rather ignorant) comments on my website. I got messages from people that called me “batsh*t crazy”, messages from gun control advocates, messages from people who directly blamed me and all other preppers for the massacre, and even one particularly hate-filled email from a person who said “I hope that your kids are killed at the next school shooting.

    All of this leads me to reconfirm my belief that people sincerely do not understand why we do what we do, and that ignorance leads to fear.

    People fear what they don’t understand and hate what they can’t conquer. ~ Andrew Smith

    If you go back through history, the “visionaries” or “wise ones” were always mocked at best and feared at worst.  They were  cast out of society to live alone at the edge of the village; children would sneak onto their property to show their bravery; they were burned at the stake as witches and heretics.  Anything the larger percentage of people does not understand is treated as something evil and frightening.

    Am I saying that preppers are all visionaries and sages?  Not in a mystical “Joan of Arc” sense – but I am saying that preppers are willing to see the writing on the wall and search for a deeper understanding.

    Many preppers are preparing for an economic collapse and the subsequent social collapse that will be close behind.

    If you don’t think this is realistic, then you aren’t paying attention to the world around you.

    People have this image of hunger – they see it as the skeletal dark-skinned children in some third world country, bellies protruding as malnutrition sets in.

    But the face of hunger and poverty today is as close as your next door neighbor. Millions of North Americans can barely afford to put their next meal on the table. They are living in their cars, if they’re lucky, and without shelter if they are not so lucky.

    For many people the economic collapse has arrived. Their “end of the world” event has already occurred in the form of a job loss, the foreclosure of the family home, or an illness that has caused such massive personal debt that there is truly no way out of it.  Less than 60% of Americans who are of age to be in the work force have a full time job.  When you tally that, it means that more than 100 million people are out of work. More than 100 million people in the United States have no jobs.  For more than 100 million people, the economic collapse has arrived in full force.

    Meanwhile, as people all over the globe (think Greece, Italy, Spain, Argentina, the UK) struggle with high rates of unemployment, the prices of everything have gone up.  People are struggling to keep such simple necessities as running water and electricity. Grocery costs have skyrocketed – the World Bank released a statement that global food prices increased by 10% in ONE MONTH – July 2012.

    And it’s only going to get worse – the Farm Bill was blocked by the US House of Representatives, and this means that the prices will skyrocket, as farms are no longer subsidized.  This will cause the industry to revert to the Agricultural Act written in 1949, meaning that the government is obligated to purchase dairy products from farmers at a cost that is twice what they are receiving now – this means that the price of a gallon of milk may skyrocket in January to as much as $8 per gallon. This is not an endorsement of government subsidies – this is a simple cause and effect observation to explain the reason people will be shocked when they go to the dairy case come January.

    The price of food is increasing rapidly and dramatically.  Mac Slavo, of SHTFplan, wrote,

    “We’ve seen what happens in countries where the populace is forced to spend 50% or more of their earned income on food. Despite how the media portrays it, the riots we’ve seen in the middle east, Greece and Spain have been largely fueled by cost increases in food and the inability of individuals to provide the basic essentials for their families.

    Americans have been, for the most part, immune from these pressures thus far. But the social safety nets are very quickly becoming overburdened and prices at grocery stores are rising consistently and without pause.

    With the consumer economy coming to a standstill, continued central bank monetary easing, job losses and wage reductions, and the urbanization of millions of people, it is only a matter of time before Americans are forced to spend 50% or more of their paychecks just to stay alive.”

    When you read the above information, the case becomes clear for stocking a long-term food storage pantry. It makes personal economic sense to purchase commodities like grains for your family at today’s prices to be consumed when the price skyrockets even further.

    It seems, from some of the comments I’ve  seen and received from non-preppers, that stockpiling food is acceptable, if somewhat eccentric.  But being able to defend that food is strictly out of the question.

    For example:

    “I have no problem with anyone stockpiling water and food for their ability to prolong their agonizing but inevitable death should this generation experience the “end of the world”. Unless you have a new planet in your back pocket that is complete with a an oxygen supply, food and water, your efforts to live past the rest of us will be the least enjoyable time spent here on earth. I believe it is the preppers’ need for stockpiling ammunition that is the bizarre twist on these so-called survival skills that is the “killer”. Pardon my pun. You see, if your survival depends on killing others than the world in which you will exist will not be worthy of keeping.”

    They are delusional anti-social people. If you try to reason with them, you are attacked in the forums. You try to point out to them the truth, they slander you. These “preppers” should ALL be arrested , their food stockpiles distributed to the homeless, their guns conficated [sic]. Start with the people on the survivalist blogs.”

    With all due respct [sic], many people are missing the point. Our Constitution garentees [sic] us the right to bear arms, but not to stockpile an arsenal. You folks who stockpile food and supplies are wise. It is the guns and huge quantities of bullets that are the problem.

    Guns dont [sic] kill people. People who have no friends and have basements jammed full of ammo and canned goods kill people.

    You know…this is just a bunch of gun nuts going out and buying all the guns they can get before the laws become stricter. Just a bunch of weak people living in fear of nothing. I choose not to live in fear and if the apocalypse comes…oh well. Sure, I’ll stock up on food when a blizzard is in the forecast…but do I have an arsenol [sic] in my basement…no. Honestly, people like peppers need to stop thinking all hell is going to break loose, and just live in REALITY.

    So, this leads us to the next misconception about preppers – why do many prepared individuals feel that there might be social collapse to go along with the economic collapse?  Why do they feel that in the wake of a disaster that they and their families could be threatened?

    There are very good, well-documented reasons for this.  Recent history tells us that frightened, hungry people become desperate and often violent.

    In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, CNN reported that the city was under  siege.

    “Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown said his agency was attempting to work “under conditions of urban warfare.”  Police snipers were stationed on the roof of their precinct, trying to protect it from armed miscreants roaming seemingly at will.  Officers warned a CNN crew to stay off the streets because of escalating danger, and cautioned others about attempted shootings and rapes by groups of young men.”

    A similar experience occurred after Hurricane Sandy struck the East Coast in October.  The unmitigated violence and looting had residents terrified, especially after dark.  Via Twitter, people actively planned “looting parties” as the storm bore down on the area, according to a report by Infowars.

    One resident described the scene to the Huffington Post. “People are turning on each other — they’re attacking each other. Even when there’s no disaster, this building is disastrous. But after the hurricane, it just got crazy.”

    Unfortunately, it isn’t just in the wake of a disaster that the need for personal security is rising.  As the economy plummets, violent crime is in the upswing.  In 2011, the overall rate of violent crime increased by 18%.  (The numbers aren’t in yet for 2012.  As funding to police departments is reduced, the criminals have a larger window of opportunity. The police are throwing up their hands in defeat – they feel that they cannot protect people. In Detroit, the police department warned people to enter the city at their own risk as budget cuts result in fewer police and shorter hours of operation.

    As the economic collapse increases and more and more people are going hungry, the need for proper security and self defense will also increase in a direct ratio, particularly for those who live in highly populated areas.  Desperation breeds crime.

    People must educate themselves on the relationship between economic  need and violent crime.  Only then can they make a reasonable (and morally acceptable) plan to protect themselves and their families.

    The economic collapse is not some far-fetched, end-of-the-world fantasy. It is the reality that is occurring all around us, incrementally.  The collapse that has been occurring since 2008 has been one of 1000 small cuts as income goes down and expenses go up.

    Ask the people in Greece whether they regret not having stocked up on food supplies when those supplies were abundantly available.  Ask the people in Argentina whether they feel the need to be armed against roving gangs and home invaders – violent crime increased by 35% in one year. One study went so far as to call property crime a tool of redistribution: ”Overall, these results suggest that property crime has been used as a redistributive tool for the poorest to compensate for their impoverishment during the last decade and in particular during the ultimate crisis in Argentina.”

    This stuff is not fantasy – I have provided links to support every fact I have mentioned in this article.  Hunger, cold, crime and fear are the daily realities in many countries that once enjoyed a similar standard of living to that of the average North American.  That debt-based standard of living is unsustainable, though, and you must be able to connect these trends with what is happening in your own country in order to see the need for preparation.

    For  those who say it is selfish for me to plan to take care of my responsibilities, I respond that it is selfish of you to expect me to take care of your responsibilities.  You have the same opportunities that I do to prepare.  I am far from wealthy (our income is actually below the “poverty line”) but I make room in my budget by eschewing foolish expenditures like twice-yearly vacations, new cars and the latest I-gadgets.

    I don’t live in fear – I live in security, knowing that through my personal responsibility, my trust in my own instincts and my faith, I have done everything possible to protect my family from poverty, hunger and crime. If you aren’t currently prepared, I hope that the facts and statistics I’ve provided cause you to consider doing the same thing.

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    Contributed by Daisy Luther of The Organic Prepper.

    Daisy Luther is a freelance writer and editor.  Her website, The Organic Prepper, offers information on healthy prepping, including premium nutritional choices, general wellness and non-tech solutions. You can follow Daisy on Facebook and Twitter, and you can email her at [email protected]


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      1. Preparation is pretty simple…

        An economic collapse isn’t much different from the others in this day and age, save for the fact that it occurs a bit slower at first, then (unless recovered from somehow) a fast crash at the end as the population finally revolts en masse.

        Normally, this would be no big deal, long-term: The French Revolution was caused by an economic collapse, after all.

        Problem is, back then the majority of folks were farmers, so no big deal… live off the land until it passed. Well, we can’t quite do that anymore. Most folks are urbanites now, and thanks to just-in-time inventories, plus a military that is too small to control the entire population (esp. once you figure tooth-to-tail ratios, defections, etc)? Yeah… this time the US would come apart in very short order, and I daresay the rest of the world would go with it.

        • Yup you pretty much nailed it. What’s scary is TPTB are the ones stoking the Collective flames much like in the Dark Ages.

          The scary part about the collapse is that when it happens the system that food and medicine relies on will be shutdown leaving everyone like those during Hurricane Sandy without basic supplies. If you did not prepare then the Gubmint or neighborly love will be your only options.

          And neighborly love will be far and few because everyone will want to stay alive.

          • You can help your neighbors out a bit if you get good at foraging, and the local ecology supports it. Foraging also helps ‘cover’ your own eating activities.

            I’m afraid that in such a situation, you have two choices: Either you and your neighbors band together as best you can, or they will certainly turn against you.

            • For some families the sh*t has already hit the fan and there are families that now live in their cars. Sad, but true.

              60 Minutes: Hard Times Generation: Families living in cars

              “Scott Pelley brings “60 Minutes” cameras back to central Florida to document another form of family homelessness: kids and their parents forced to live in cars.”

              CBS news video

              Direct link below

                • Thank you for posting this article and link to “Families living in a car.” My family was one who lived in and out of a car for almost 2 years, and recently from May 2012 to November 2012 for a solid 6 mos. Until a most gracious Reverend who I met a year before, due to donating a gift certificate each month for a grocery store, after Hurricane Irene, heard our stories and decided to contact some associations whom she had known, and other parish priest whom we knew from the past also, and were able to raise funds for security and first months’s rent, and we obtained an emergeny voucher due to my son’s disability as a Young Stroke Survivor and my other son with disabilities whom obtain another voucher, were able to move into our Ranch house for a very afordable rent due to flood area where we were stranded before during Hurricane Irene. This has occurred to us in N.J. and there are a lot of families living in cars in N.J. also. Everything described in this article and video is absolutely correct. The American people need to “pull there head out of the sand” and see how dire our fellow Americans’ are really are and the situations are worsening every day in this beautiful country. So shameful and sad. The interesting part is we are long term unemployed professionals, some middle class families or moderate income families that are being affected by this economic downturn. It’s becoming a divided country “the rich and poor.” There will be no middle or moderate income families if we continue to not have an improvement in the economy and employment, and if the cost of living increases this situation will beome sooner than later a major collapse in our society. By the way, gas, insurance and maintenance was a major impact financially to our family, especially when gas prices continue to rise quickly, moving place to place and car breaking down regularly was a regular devfurniture, housewares, blinds,curtains, etc. but thank God we keep saying we are “NOT IN A CAR ANYMORE!” Please continue to provide artiles such as these and the media needs to make the public more aware of this increasing problem regularly. Merry Christmas and God Bless America!astation while living in a car. Even now we just moved in our old car is breaking down and with a Young Strokes & his Hypotension, a majority of his needs are done with the car, and no employment still is a major problThank you for posting this article and link to “Families living in a car.” My family was one who lived in and out of a car for almost 2 years, and recently from May 2012 to November 2012 for a solid 6 mos. Until a most gracious Reverend whom I met a year before, due to donating a gift certificate each month for a grocery store, after Hurricane Irene, heard our stories and decided to contact some associations whom she had known, and other parish priest whom we knew from the past also, and were able to raise funds for security and first months’s rent, and to obtain an emergeny voucher due to my son’s disability as a Young Stroke Survivor and my other son with disabilities whom obtain another voucher, were able to move into our Ranch house for a very afordable rent due to flood area where we were stranded before during Hurricane Irene. This has occurred to us in N.J. and there are a lot of families living in cars in N.J. also. Everything described in this article and video is absolutely correct. The American people need to “pull there head out of the sand” and see how dire our fellow Americans’ are really are and the situations are worsening every day in this beautiful country. So shameful and sad. The interesting part is we are long term unemployed professionals, some middle class families or moderate income families that are being affected by this economic downturn. It’s becoming a divided country “the rich and poor.” There will be no middle or moderate income families if we continue to not have an improvement in the economy and employment, and if the cost of living increases this situation will beome sooner than later a major collapse in our society. By the way, gas, insurance and maintenance was a major impact financially to our family, especially when gas prices continue to rise quickly, moving place to place and car breaking down regularly was a regular devastation while living in a car. Even now we just moved in our old car is breaking down and with a Young Strokes & his Hypotension, a majority of his needs are done with the car, and no employment still is a major problem, now we have no money for heat/electric and phone,furniture, housewares, blinds,curtains, etc. but thank God we keep saying we are “NOT IN A CAR ANYMORE!” Please continue to provide articles such as these and the media needs to make the public more aware of this increasing problem regularly. Merry Christmas and God Bless America!

                • I don’t care if anyone is angry about me prepping. It is not their business nor their concern. Typical of people in this country, they love everyone else being miserable with them

                • @DawnMArie:

                  I hate to be a dick; but, err… paragraphs? Please?

                  You might have a compelling story in there, but slogging through that wall of text is damned hard, yanno?

                • Out of curiosity how do you live in a car without the cops harassing you?

                  Be interested in knowing.

        • It strikes me if you prepare for an Econ Collapse you are pretty much ready for anything. Storms, earthquakes, and any other natural disaster would be far easier to one prepared for a failure of the monetary system then a person not.

          • Merry Christmas 2012 A.D. everyone!

            May God have mercy on us all.

            Who but He knows where we will spend Christmas 2013 A.D.?

          • Well said, Jim. I also believe that the best prepping is the most general. Stock up heavily on the basics that everyone needs but don’t ever think that there is a direct line from God’s lips to your ears… because there isn’t.

            Having food, water, water purification, meds, guns & ammo, a flashlight and a radio with batteries, trade goods, some silver, firewood or other fuel, a light source, and anything else that you need to maintain your health and life are the way to go. Getting too specialized in prepping could mean that not enough attention has been paid to the things that are good in general.

            I like the Doomsday Preppers show on NatGeo TV but always wonder what makes the people in the show so sure that their particular flavor of disaster is the one that will come. It might, but then again, it might not. If they are prepared for a super-volcano, for example, how prepared will they be for social unrest, hurricanes & tornadoes, or war. Perhaps they will not be as prepared in general as they think they are.

            I also do not like the “expert preppers” who cleave so strongly to what economists think. The economists who most often appear on TV have been 100% wrong on just about everything, especially for the past 4-5 years, and are the very last people I would look to for “expert advice” on the economy. John Williams at ShadowStats, John Taylor at Stanford Univ., and Peter Schiff are about the only economists I’ve read or listened to who are actually making sense in this crazy world today. The others all sound like Pollyanna, Bozo the clown, or a combo of these two. Not exactly the kind of info upon which I want to bet the lives, health, and safety of myself and my family.

        • Slightly off topic;

          If you stand to the side of a billboard announcing “DANGER”, you won’t quite get the message.

          Why do we view it from the front, and others view it from the side? I guess that is the big question, no?

          No amount of debating is going to change anyone’s mind. They see things from one perspective, and we see things from another. Is one better? I suppose it depends on who you ask.

          But this I know. Our little experiment here was formed by men of great integrity and intelligence. And while they were products of their time, and lived with some customs we find abhorant today, the Plan they devised was well thought out and argued.

          They gave us fundamental rights and rules. They gave us an operating system, based on timeless principals. They also understood that customs evolve over time, and put in place mechinisms to effect change, if change was needed. The rules to change are strict. They are meant to be strict. It should be difficult to change our basic structure.

          Free speech? They couldn’t forsee the internet, or Facebook. Not in their wildest imagination. But the principal is the same.

          The 2nd Amendmant. Ah, the right of the People to bear arms. Never, in their craziest dreams, could they imagine the hardware that exists today. Never. No way. Nada. You win that argument.

          So one would think, hmmm??.. maybe a line like..The Governing Authority should dictate the arms allowed.
          Or… The Governing Authority should always have the more powerfull arms. Or… Every 100 years, We shall revisit this issue. Or… If we make it 200 years, this provision will expire. ( because, obviously, it won’t be needed)

          But they didn’t. They intended for the People (not the Government) to have the ultimate power.(Government of the People, for the People, by the People) And if the People are not armed, at least equally to the Government, the People would NOT have the Power.

          This is unique in the history of the world. For those reading this outside of the US, this is why we are a culture enamoured with our guns. For those in the US who don’t agree, your looking at the billboard from the side.That being said, there is a pathway to implementing your agenda. I say, go for it. Just be sure you go about it in the way proscribed by the Constitution. Because if you do not, you will surely unleash a force better left fallow.

          By design.

          • Rick: why do you insist on keep telling folks to use the “pathway” to do Their agenda(ban guns etc)?…How many of us need remind you that “INALIENABLE” God given “BIRTH RIGHTS” are NOT negotiable, nor “ammendable”?

            Inalienable Means that and NO other. So sorry but NO they and nobody can amend away the 2nd into oblivion.

            It also ties in with we aint now nor ever been a “Democracy” because that is what democracys does…Two wolvws and One sheep votes on Who to eat for din din..

            In a Const, REPUBLIC, it is an WELL armed sheep Contesting that wolves vote.

            Please stop saying that stuf as its simply wrong advice ok…The rest is A-1 spot on…Oh and if you saw my post like this last time you wrote this stuf, I mentioned that there are several US supremes ct decisions which basically repeat what I said here…

            They can’t ammend certain inalienable rights away, nor ammend entire or Parts of us const, in ways to render it of zero effect, or void of meaning etc…That is akin to say agree to UN treaty which makes entire const suservient to UN wishes etc…Or with other nations wishes…They cannot do such Rick..

            • Youv’e win the prize AM!

              Exactly what I was hoping for in a response.

              • You win. You’ve won. oops

                • Ok I rekon you was baiting all here to see whos paying atten eh…Hey! If my Grand Prize is my very Own mt. top lands of 100 or more acres?….I will split it with You rick so we can back each other while one sleeps etc ok!

                  The Only thing I ever really did win was once I sent in an entry for the NRA once per yr huge gun prizes thing.

                  They NRA sent me a confirmed winner letter and I had to go do a nics check as proof am legit etc…I got real excited since even the worst gun prize was aprox. 3-4 very nice and costly handguns+rifles combos!

                  But when I finally found out what I did win it was a Buck Hunting type knife and leather sheeth…

                  Still good though eh! All it cost me was a couple postage stamps to enter and verify nics status.

                  Can’t recall particular buck knife name?…Its real swell and today its aprox…$100 or more!

                  Never before nor since won a thing!…And man that knife is the sharpest I ever held or used…Litterally shaves hairs off back of hand with zero effort! Almost too sharp!

                  I bet its 3 times as sharp as shave razor is…Free is swell too!

                  Now perhaps I will win a nice Black Pirate flag for if it hits the proverbial wall, and is time to hoist black flags to begin slitting throats?…I am ready with my sharp buck hunter knife!!!

            • Angelo,

              If I may offer one correction to your excellent post.

              I understand what you meant by “Inalienable Rights” in reference to the U.S. Declaration of Independence. However, the word I think you’re looking for is “Unalienable”, not “Inalienable”. It is a very important distinction.

              An Inalienable right is a right which you possess that you can voluntarily give away. An Unalienable right is a right which you possess that you cannot voluntarily or involuntarily give away and it cannot be taken from you under any rule of law or by force.

              The authors of the Declaration of Independence chose the language very carefully in the off chance that future American I.Q.’s dropped precipitously and we foolishly attempted to trade our freedom for state run security. But that would never happen right Angelo? There’s no way Americans would ever, in a million years, be stupid enough to trade away their freedoms for security.

              It’s a good thing for us the Founders were forward thinking men and women.

              Merry Christmas.

              • YH: Thank you very much. I knew of both terms and thought I choose proper one…I was not sure which meant what?…Thanks for clarifying it I shall try to remember it for future ref….Oh also I agree fully on all you wrote of our founders wisdom etc! Thanks again!

                • Cheers Angelo.

          • For our foreign friends:

            “Gunfighting is the American martial art.” LTC Dave Grossman, author “On Killing”

            • B/C even Bruce Lee couldn’t dodge a bullet.

          • “no way could they could they imagine that hardware exists today”?


            Founding Fathers believed in using (and had) the “AR 15s” and cannons of that time period equivalent to the weapons of the ruling empire of the world.

            • joetentpeg: If any founders was able to return to life today in 2012…he’d likely take one of them what was it?…70 Calibre huge ball musket rifle, and shove it right Up sara bradys or mikey moors fat ass and take out their head-tops the “hard” way!

              12 ga would work swell also.Both Barrels! Eeeeeeyyyyyaaaaooooo!!! ban That bitches!

        • Hey OQ, I just want to say thank you for writing “beyond collapse”, it has inspired me to think about more angles of SHTF and allowed me to begin filling loopholes in my prepping, thanks again and God bless.

          -MT Prepper

          • Actually, I have you guys to thank! The whole thing started as a bunch of notes, then everyone here (and at a few other sites) started forcing me to think of a whole lot of other things, which in turn guided my own research and thoughts.

            Thanks to all of you, I’m a lot farther ahead preps-wise, skills-wise, and in outlook than I was a few years back, when I first noticed where the world is headed, and decided that I had better stop farting around and get serious about it. 🙂

            • OQ..Did you incluude advice to store some fresh Vinigar?…Only not for cooking or normal house cleaning..

              But rather incase for example, say some badguy perp did you or your child wrong real bad…And for whatever reasons perp escapes all forms justice(think OJ).

              So it comes down to You are 100% in the Rightous Justice frame of mind, and decide nothing less than “Cowboy” justice(also known as Frontire justice) is aprapo.

              If you used any firearm it will leave traces of powder etc which a Parifin test can detect as long as 12-24 hrs after the fact!

              So if you have Vinigar, it can be stored nearby say at a motel along the route home or back to??….Along with complete fresh clothes(unless you wore an updated version of cowboy attire, white lab chemo proof suit) and shoes.

              Then after you burned all clothes or chem bio suit to get rid of any “traces” in bathtub, and flushed ashes away, You can take a nice shower with Vinigar first and then normal soap to rid Your self/body/hair of all traces you fired any guns lately!

              Because even in shtf or any other justice seeking times you never know if cops will pull you over and before you realize it You are going for a powder trace parifin test as a potential perp….Vinigar ASAP Prior to cop stops you will be a lifesaver litterally!

              PS. Never as yet tried this out myself! let’s just say a unsavory character type guy I met before in detroit area told me it is what He always did….I do think vinigar works though…..

              • I’ve heard the best remedy for removing GSR is bleach. Hard on your hands and I don’t even know if that’s true, plus the bleach smell might signal something’s not right.

                Vinegar does get stale, so you need to know how to make the starter (mother) so you can inoculate your aging apple juice and make your own. Foxfire has instructions which reminds me to look it up again since I don’t remember how to do it.. It’s similar to sour dough bread starter and difficult to accomplish. I’ve made both vinegar mother and sour dough, but it was a bitch to pull off. Ohio must not have the right wild yeasts. Good luck!

              • “If you used any firearm it will leave traces of powder etc which a Parifin test can detect as long as 12-24 hrs after the fact!”

                The paraffin test is a chemical color test that looks for the presence of nitrates. Handling ANY form of garden fertilizer that contains nitrates WILL show a positive response. “What, me shoot something recently? Au contraire mon frere… I merely fertilized my garden by hand a few days ago.” 😉

                • 41mag: good info! but still better if zero trace of anything if need arises no…Also your post made me think of another thing…Is it Lime to use to cover dead bodies and animals to hide the stench?…Does that also end thrests of diseses etc?…Just curious is all!

                  A pal told me of the lime issue not sure if hes right?

                  Man hope I aint wasted 1200 lbs of lime so far!(joking!).

        • Just a note on the “cost of milk”. The economics of dairy farming has been so bad the past few years that many dairy farmers have been losing their shirt and their farms: or closing down after generations of dairy farming.

          The market needs to find equilibrium if there are going to be any dairy farms; or at least enough dairy farms to provide a stable supply.

          Buy dry milk. Add water from your Berkey. 🙂

          • BTW, nice stash you have there Daisy. Where’s the chocolate? Fork over the chocolate and no one gets hurt!! 🙂

            Merry Christmas everyone!!!

          • Getting the Berkey next month.

          • The application of JIT for food supplies will prove to be one of the most boneheaded ideas in the long history of boneheaded ideas.

            Americans are spoiled by heavily subsidized food prices. You are correct that a correction will occur. Americans will have much less cash for Itoys. A food stash will help make the transposition bearable.

          • A lot of farmers have been losing money for years and keep borrowing to stay in business, we are one of those. Until prices rise to keep us in business, a lot will leave. Its better to have a job with benefits. I love farming but feel that until farm prices gets to where we can make enough to live and pay bills, let them starve.why should i get out in zero degree weather to feed the cows so that someone can have cheap food. we have not had a vacation in 20 years, drive 15 year old vehicles. The so called farm subsidities dont help most very much.I am sick of the so called cheap food for the masses when i cannot support my family on a 400 acre farm.Yes, I will defend what i have to the death if someone trys to take it.we have not prepped due to expense but our prep is still walking in the fields and barnyards..

            • I wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that most of the govt subsidy money goes to the huge corporate farming conglomerates, not the small farms like yours.



          • @ Snake,,,I was wondering that too!! Also what about Copperhead? He seems to have disappeared?? take care, CC.

        • the wise thing to do would be to get out into your community and volunteer build bonds with like minded people. you will not survive alone if the current systems break down that everyone depends on. transition now.

      2. Yep, it’s way past time to get real with this situation. In my house the saying goes, “Get realistic, or become a statistic”. I, for one, am not my brother’s keeper. It’s his job to get his own shit together.

        Also, to all those would be zombies that think they’re going to just come over to someone’s house that is prepared and mooch off of them, you better think again. People like myself have been warning for years to have a reasonable level of preparedness for unforeseen events. Well, this time you can see this coming years in advance and yet you still refuse to prepare on even the most basic of levels. To you people I say, “You are not welcome at my house”, even if you are my brother.

        You want to call me crazy for thinking ahead and taking action against it? Well, when a disaster strikes and you’re left with nothing, go beg your beloved Uncle Scam for a bottle of water and a MRE. You’re not welcome here.

        Is that me being a selfish, paranoid asshole? No, that’s me dishing out some tough love and looking out for my own family. I’ve made preparations for MY FAMILY, not the neighborhood. Deal with it.

        • Well said.
          Thanks for the catch phrase, get realistic or become a statistic.

          OT: Merry Christmas to one and all.

        • JR – Thumbs up on the phrase “Get realistic, or become a statistic”. EXCELLENT !

        • @JoeR:

          +1 Sir.

          I may be a casualty, but I won’t be a victim.

          …be safe ……stay the course…..BA.

        • Amen!, to being a “Realist”.

          About 100 days ago I began a countdown to 12/21/2012. I stated in a comment here that I didn’t believe in an “end of days” scenario for that date, but rather a new starting point of a period of time whereby we as mankind have reached a turning point. The events I have documented over that 100 day period shows that the prophectic word is being unveiled at an alarming rate. The events are relevant, and very obvious to all those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

          The main point i want to make here is that mankind has become more greedy,jealous, and lovers of themselves. Not only around the neighborhood but around the world. People are blinded by their lust for money, things and control of people that they perceive to be a threat of them acquiring and keeping those things.
          In our extended family there are those that use this time of celebrating the birth and life of our Saviour and his love for His children; as a time to bicker, and bitch about others or banter about themselves and their “stuff”. Just look around and pay attention at how little compassion goes out to others.

          Thank God there are still good persons with character, and “realists” as to oppose the plans of the extreme leftists liberals.

          To those “realists”, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ that are preppers on this site; I send out a heart felt wish for a Merry Christmas and a peaceful few days of rest and fellowship. Enjoy, for you deserve it! it

        • I finally came up with a response to “We’ll be coming to your house” comment. “Oooo (big wince) I wish you had told me a year or two ago so I could put something back for you too. Maybe got a second job to cover it. Were you expecting me to take care of your family too, or were you just thinking of yourself?”

      3. Had an active shooter situation this morning a town or two over, from what I gather a fire was set and first responders were shot at, I can confirm from brothers in the dept. two firefighters were killed. News has already been saying AR and rifle way before it could have been confirmed. God bless the HEROs killed today, don’t think it can’t hit close to home!

        • DD – Just caught that this AM. Shooting of firefighters pisses me off as it is another incident of good, decent people helping us all wasted by another insane POS. Whoever is responsible needs to be publicly hanged from a ladder truck.

          Another incident of how Mad Max this all is about to go.

          • I’ve never been a conspiracy theorists, but when you’re a progressive, the ends justify the means, and loss of life to promote the agenda is no big deal to them. All to save the planet from overpopulation….hence Obamacare, abortion, etc. I wouldn’t put it past them to be behind this.

            • It is a conspiracy but you’re being childish blaming the “progressives.”

              This power uses both isles to get what it wants. By being partisan you are playing into their hands.

              • The “Universe”

                NOPE. It’s the progressives. You are childish for not seeing the progressive ploy: “spread the wealth AND the blame…”

                • What’s a Progressive? *I* like progress. The internet was a really nice invention, and it required progress. Dental tools have come a long way over the last 100 years. Mostly, I just think “progressive” is a weird word that doesn’t really mean anything.


                • gop4ever…Taken from NWV site…Latest Devvy Kidd article.

                  Gifted writer, Niki Rapana, sees communitarianism (being taught on college campuses nationwide) as:

                  “Communitarianism combines or “balances” far-right capitalism (fascism) with far-left communism (totalitarianism) to make the “perfect middle;” this is what makes one progressive. There is ample, verifiable evidence that shows Obama is a communitarian. There is only speculation that his values are communist. There is undeniable PROOF that he follows a program for global “change” called communitarianism. Accusations of communism play directly into the fake dialectical conflicts between the right and the left.”

                  THIS FROM: Masters of Seduction, by: Jeri Lynn Ball

                  “The Communists planned to create not only a new way of life, but new human beings. They sought to achieve not only the reconstruction of social and cultural institutions, but reconstruction of human beings. Communist totalitarianism has undergone tremendous growth over the past century only because it has “the support of a man of a new social and psychological type”—the “new communitarian (Communist) man.” A communitarian is a member of a communistic community. A communitarian adopts and advocates communistic concepts, such as a spirit of community, selfless commitment to community service, and the duty to work for “the common good.” The terms “Communist” and “communitarian” are synonyms and are interchangeable, but the word “communitarian” connotes a sense of community and a spirit of collectivism.

                  “In 1928 Communists formally adopted “The Program” for building a new global communitarian social order composed of the ruling elite (the masters) and subjugated masses (the slaves). Soviet masters used the communitarian social system and moral code to prepare the “new communist man.” They reinforced the “spirit of community” that had been present in Europe for 200 years and instilled communitarian moral ideals into all Soviet citizens. The masters “reconstructed” each individual by urging him to: 1) develop a sense of community; (2) cultivate the communist virtue of selflessness; 3) suppress his personality, individuality, and identity, i.e., his personal desires, ambitions, beliefs, etc.; 4) merge himself into the community and become one with it; 5) fulfill his obligation to perform community service and accept his duty to work for “the common good.” The communitarian moral code is the powerful secret weapon Communists have used to enslave whole populations.”

                  As we all know, Soetoro’s only job experience was as a community organizer.


                  “Communitarianism holds that the individual is nothing and that the community is all; the interests of the community transcend the interests of the individual; the common good comes before the private good.

                  “The Role of the Government in the Communitarian Society

                  “In a communitarian society, the role of the government is to define, dictate, and implement community needs. Each citizen is conditioned to accept the loss of his individuality and identity, to reject individual initiative and enterprise, and to become a collective animal. He is trained to yield to governmental authority for “the good of the community.” In a communitarian society, the masters assume high positions in government and become the mind, the voice, and the conscience of the community. By grouping people into a “community”—a collectivized society—by creating an array of community rituals, campaigns, organizations, and service programs, by urging or requiring ever greater community participation, the masters can constantly increase their supervision, guidance, and regimentation of every activity and every need of every individual in the society.”


                  In a full-blown communitarian society, there are no such things as individual God-given rights or private property, and the masters believe that they are acting for the “good of the community” when they invoke obedience through barbaric savagery, fiendish brutality, the most inhuman, unrestrained use of force. They believe that unless there is sufficient brutality to ensure blind obedience and blind conformity, the masses will suffer. With a clear conscience, they summarily execute recalcitrant resisters who refuse to be reconstructed.”

                  READ FINAL PARAGRAPH AGAIN! :With A Clear Concience!! They…..Thats REAL Reason to Rabidly Attack our guns and gun RIGHTS so much!…So they can be Barbaric demonics!(like 1918 Russia folks! no telling how many of MY ancestors was savagly Murdered there?!) Pure Evil!

                  And now in 2012 They ARE Here!!! USSA=New Russia! perps=Same as usual! Bolshevik Kommies All!

                  Boot Em Now?…Or shoot em later?…No third choice exists.

                  If any of You desires to Read Their “Exact game Plans”?

                  Look Online for #1-Karl Marx kommie manifesto/goals…

                  #2= The “Protocals of The Learned Elders of Zion”…

                  Its all in there…Learn the enemys Plans so You can Thwart them in America, cause We are next up…

                • I can see at least 10 people are as foolish as you are 🙂

          • “Whoever is responsible needs to be publicly hanged from a ladder truck.”

            I’m thinking dragged behind the ladder truck by the ankles for 15-20 minutes at maybe 20 mph.

        • I just saw it on yahoo. My post said—Why the tone of surprise? WE KNEW another shooting was bound to happen, it has been predicted, in writing all along the web. THERE IS A GUN RIGHTS DECISION IN THE WORKS.

          What we NEED to be finding out is who in this government is orchestrating this to advance their agenda, and how do we prosecute them for murder and treason…


            The gun ban CAN and MUST be stopped. Because if it isn’t, then we really are coming close to that time that we all know is coming.

            We can ALWAYS use more time to get ready. Opposing, delaying, confusing, muddying, and otherwise resisting this likely move by the socialist-industrial complex is something we have to start doing TODAY. At the very least, this means giving financial support to the NRA and similar organizations. It means knowing what side your Congressman and Senator is on. We have to fight this all the way.


          • School Obama’s Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards…

            “The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer.”

            “Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.”

            breitbart dot com

        • Diesel….

          This stuff is going on regularly in past 5 years. Police officers shot on routine calls. Firemen. Children stabbed or drowned. The economy is one of the big problems. Tax collections down so will be the monies for civil services.

          Is there anyway to resurrect Ronald Reagan?

          • Reagan tripled the national debt and was a Zionist footstool.

            • John Q….Reagan fixed Peanut-Heads problems. And he did this with a Democrat House and Senate. Clinton signed the Republicans Contract With America….these systems worked. The economies were healthy and the USD Indes above 100.

              We need that leadership again. But, we’re done.

              • What “leadership” was there in Reagan’s doing exactly what the Zionist banksters told him to do?

                They said “borrow at interest for our profit,” Reagan asked, “How high?”

                They said “give us weapons to murder Palestinians,” Reagan asked, “How many?”

                • John Q.

                  I think you have the wrong President in mind. Also your view on the rapture is wrong too. I am a Christian, I read the Bible, and I drink to much beer too. I try to go to church, but liberalism is starting to destroy that also.


                • you are evidently a ratical muslioum.

                • John Q….Most people won’t see the truth. Ronnie wanted his way, but the Zionist controllers wanted it their way. After they “Hinckleyed” him, he fell in line.Most of these sheeple still believe that they can vote and make a difference. Zionist bankers control the world.

              • Leadership isn’t the problem. The problem is that everyone in Congress HAS BEEN BOUGHT OFF. Your vote is worth $0.00 to your elected “representatives”. They are OWNED by big money interests. The leadership IS out there. Great ideas and solutions ARE out there. But none of that leadership will be in a position to DO anything until this current government is..err (how do I say this politely)..until they are “reset”. That’s the REAL situation we are in. This isn’t about “democrats are crazy”, or “the dang progressives are the problem”. THE PROBLEM is that WE NO LONGER HAVE REPRESENTATION. It is crutial that this is understood before SHTF. Look at Egypt…the same kooks are in charge again, just like before they kicked out Mubarak…which is why you now see NEW riots in the streets. You have to understand what THE problem is and WHO the enemy is. The whole system in D.C. needs to come down. It will not be possible to correct this system from within the system. This 2012 election was a “watershed” event. the only thing that surprises me is how quickly after the election that this truth became evident. We have lost several states to Socialist/Communist interests. The population of California, Michigan, and Illinois are now a clear danger to the rest of the country. Our only hope is Texas.


            • Lay off the crack pipe there, Jonny.

                • John Q….the problem with your logic is that Reagan when first in office had a very big mess. The National Debt was about $1T as you say. But he also inherited interest rates that were around 14-22%. Reagan inherited unemployment of over 7%.

                  The interest alone until Reagan got it down added almost another $1T to our debt. So yes, when Reagan was done it did go up to $2.7T

                  But, you forget the economy was strong when he left. The US Dollar index was above 100 all thru Reagan years, and he is the only President for 8 years that can claim that.

                  Reagan era a simple investor like me could put money in a CD, savings, or any mutual fund and it grew.

                  Today, money is growing on trees and is bailing out central bankers to leave us hanging.

                  Lastly, Reagan made me feel good to be an American and I always felt positive about the future. Today, I feel like shit!

                • HEY!!!! STOP talkin Politics!!! I’m drinkin BEER ,and I don’t want hear to this useless Bulls**it!! And I’m not going to listen to any RELIGION either!!!! YOU’RE ALL WRong!!All Politicans are crooked!!!! Now I’ll open an other BEER!! Have a BEER and HAVE NO FEAR!!! (and prepp on!!)

                • Ugly,

                  You seem to have forgotten (or have you ever known?) that Christians are forbidden to engage in usury.

                  Reagan abetted the usurers, as you yourself seem proud.

                  Your excuses for Reagan more than tripling the national debt are the same as Obama’s lame “inherited the problem from Bush” excuses.

                  Glad you felt good to be an (Iran Contra) American. Have you ever felt like a good Christian? Which will matter at the Judgment Seat?

                • Something else about the Reagan years was that he didn’t waste a minute of his time whining about the failures of others and how they affected him. He just went about fixing problems instead of blaming them on everyone else. IMHO, that is called leadership… something that we sorely lack today.

            • One can wonder why the evidence that Reagan tripled the national debt and was a Zionist footstool languishes in moderation limbo.

              The numbers and his own words prove what I have said. Do you think thumbs down can really suppress the evidence?

              • John Q.

                Talking about Reagan does make any sense today. We have to ‘fix’ today, not ‘yesterday’. Our biggest problems are in the ‘today’. Please stick with ‘today’, my fellow brother and American.


                • Sorry John Q.

                  My first sentence was meant to say, ‘Talking about Reagan does not make any sense for today’.

                  Hope things go well in future for you. PS., do not take the number. Cause we will see the Beast before the rapture.


                • We will see the Man of Sin. There is no “rapture.” “Rapture” is just one more Judaic attack on Christianity.

                  Your “rapture” is not Biblical, but Jewish-made since the “synagogue of Satan” (JESUS’ judgment in Apocalypse 2:9; 3:9, not mine) was instrumental in the development of the Scofield that forms your Zionist dispensationalism. You’ve been suckered by the “adversaries to all men” (1 Thess 2:14-15).

                  While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the “any moment now” rapture doctrine.
                  Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following his Illuminati connections to New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which he listed as his residence for the next twenty years.
                  It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League, THE SAME SAMUEL UNTERMEYER WHO STARTED WORLD WAR 2 with his 1934 declaration of war on behalf of World Jewry against Germany.

                  Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the people who financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his concordance.

                  I have links for reference but will post them separately since links linger in moderation limbo for a loooong time.

                  Note too how the synagogue of Satan brags how they have “reformed” Christianity. Google:
                  Jewish Influence on Christian Reform Movements
                  by Rabbi Louis I. Newman

                  Don’t be a sucker for “Jewish fables.” (Titus 1:14)

            • Did he now. maybe you should do a little looking into who really did what. Many of the same people still messing things up were around thirty years ago blocking everything Reagan tried. Term limits are needed to get rid of these permanent power hungry fools.

              • The schmuck from HI who just died was in office for fifty years.

                • Yes, he was, and that was a lot of grab-ass being played there. But since he was a Dem, no problem. Bob Packwood even suggests doing this and he got the boot. Yet another of the MANY double standards under which we all live. 🙁

              • I am a fiscal conservative and believe in the Reaganite theories but:

                I am not going to fall in line with John but there is some thing about Reagan that I think should be spot lighted. When he was the California Govenor he did do one thing that no one remembers.

                One of the big things he did to balance the budget and almost all other states followe suit was to close down all of the state insane asylums. Immediatly we had thousands of homeless, pan handling, non medicine taking physcos, wandering the street.

                Now those same people clog up the local systems. Reagans greatness, in my opinion, was in how he in order to save first state and then on a federal level was to pass down to counties and cities the costs for maintaining the crazies.

                As always, just one mans thoughts.

                • Reagan’s lead in mainstreaming the insane worked out really well in Stockton, California didn’t it? Patrick Purdy’s schoolyard massacre lead to the dead kids that prompted the first of many AW bans.

                • Hell, BigB, I thought all those folks went into politics and are now running the country!

                • Yes he did as he was forced to by the ACLU who sued under Cruel and unusual punishment and that their right to be nuts was being violated. They decided it was better to let the mentally ill roam around living on the streets getting no help and getting sicker than have them in a facility.

              • Interesting that the Scoffield links made in through moderation a day late, but the comment did not.

      4. “A similar experience occurred after Hurricane Katrina struck the East Coast in October. The unmitigated violence and looting had residents terrified, especially after dark.”

        Maybe super storm Sandy??????????????

        • Whoops – you’re absolutely right! Thank you for pointing that out!

          ~ D

          • No need to feel bad – the sentiment was there, and the results still rang true, no matter what the storm was named.

            (besides, it’ll give a few ignorants a chance to blame Bush again…)

          • @ Daisy. You know for a bunch of hypocrites anti-self defense whackos that are suppose to be so peaceful orientated, to have such hate sprewed towards you shows just how totally full of meaningless garbage they are. I have been extremely upset also about how these monsters want to disarm EVERYONE and allow people to walk the streets in absolute fear of being mugged, raped, robbed, or other violence against them, just like in ENGLAND. Yes the violent crime in England is several times higher than in the U.S. The U.S, states that have adopted the English style of preventing the citizen from protecting themselves are pure hell holes, other than Hawaii for some strange reason. Maybe the tropical breezes calms people down or something.

            I don’t skew numbers, and if there is a variant like Hawaii that doesn’t add up for some reason I won’t hide it. However all other areas that they have taken away people’s self defense, there are crime rampant. I have the statistics on this to prove it that I sent to Mac. Thankfully I did because I lost what I wrote in a sudden power outage the other night. I still though have my chicken scribbles though of this proof of what U.S. states and England that has taken away people’s self defense has done to the areas, turned them into cess pit of crime.

            I have read your very constructive and positive articles and your comments, and you absolutely NEVER deserve to be attacked by these retards like this. These starry eyed and spaced out non-preppers and those that want to enslave the population into total fear by taking away ALL their self defense like England has done are the lowest of life. They are the worms, the parasites that condemn preppers/survivalists fro preparing, but be right there expecting others to share everything they have. These human leeches are rotten to the core and not worthy of being called a person. They belong in zoos more so than the common orangutan, that has more sense than they do.

            It is unbelievably naive for anyone to “think” that food will always be there in the supermarkets. I personally know what the New Madrid can do in that very old solid rock that the middle part of the country sits on. I know what the San Andreas is capable of. What has happened is the media and these so called “experts” have convinced the sheeple that EVERYTHING is recoverable. This false sense of security is what is going to be the death of the majority of ANY population affected by a true catastrophe that is not at all easily recoverable.

            It is like it has become evil and selfish to store up for your family. This political correctness crap has affected people like some brain eating bacteria. Those freaks want to attack those in society that are not totally conforming to what society deems appropriate. Time and time again throughout history people have seen what happens with war, plagues, natural disasters, yet these so called intellectual people still don’t get it, they fail to learn from history. They repeat the same mistakes, talk about stuck in mud on stupid.

            Remember what happened when I wrote that article that Mac refined so well about the horrific issues to the non-prepper? There was an a flurry of thumbs down on every single comment, even benign ones. This was because these ass clowns cannot stand to see what will happen to their worthless lives when society collapses. They don’t want to hear it, and they cannot stand that someone is preparing because it cast doubts into their very small minds that, Yes it can and probably will happen.

            It is also a selfishness, how orionic they call preppers selfish, that they don’t want their convenience and their let something do it for me world. They are some of the laziness asses there is, they don’t want to prepare because it takes some work, but also because they don’t want to have to lose that modern conveninet world that has turned them into sloths of none movement and walmart day and night walkers.

            Then these characters want people to lose all their self defense, not just assault rifles, this is the foundation of the first of many PLANNED steps to take away people’s self defense and give the advantage totally to the criminal and a tyrannical future government to enslave the masses. To the bleeding heart liberal the criminal that goes out and rapes an innocent woman is the victim of society and needs more help than the women raped. Oh I am mad now, and if I don’t stopping writing I will fill a book’s words of rants about the illogic of what is going on.

            Daisy, if Mac cannot use my article I sent to him about how they want to take away all our self defense, please have him e-mail it to you, it explains a lot about how taking away people’s self defense leads to a nightmare of fear and helpless population to the elements of crime and evil that wants the people as defenseless as possible.

            • Wow Be Informed, nice rant and so full of truth. The times are upon us and those in the know will be villified so as not to alert the others; can’t wake the sheep now can we? I read the most awakening interview on Steve Quayle today. A DHS insider spills it in a Huge way and I believe what he says will come to pass, God help us… Here’s a link to the 1st part of the interview and will be followed by the 2nd, it will make your skin crawl…


                • @ Lanny. I would say that they will try to ban any magazine period, and limit the amount of shells you can have in a shotgun, like they require plugs when hunting game birds. Revovlers probably will not be touched at first, but they will try to ban speed loaders for revolvers. They lawyer up, and they say that as long as people still have a single shot firearm that they are still allowing the 2nd. Amemdment to stay in place for people. The big problem with this is that it violates the civilian militia being properly ready ENOUGH to defend the country.

                  You are right it makes your skin crawl. It would probably be shocking to see all the deception that goes on. Like “planted information” that makes it appear like something is being hidden, and all the while hiding something that everybody’s attention has been driven away from. Kind of like drawing everybody’s focus on something in a magician’s show. While the audience is totally fixated on some lights or something else, the magician performs their trick. To someone not fooled into looking away from the magician, the trick is actually quite routine and dull.

                  Remaining focused and not taking the government BAIT is essential to finding out what is really happening.

            • We visited the Big Island for a week back in Oct. and the entire time we were there we saw just one cop. yet things were peaceful and the TSA guys at the airport were great. I guess they have the right attitude over there. Over here it seems like there is a cop every mile or so. Maybe because there are so many morons.

              • “Maybe because there are so many morons.”

                Unfortunately, there’s a lot of truth in this. Like somebody once said “this is why we can’t have nice things”. Getting back to the topic at hand though, the OTHER problem…imo the REAL problem, is that the government no longer fears the people. And they want to finalize that by taking away our 2nd Amendment solutions. After that’s gone, we are no longer citizens, we become merely subjects. These socialists want an extremely-powerful central state…and my prediction is that we will see the beginning of a resolution to these inner-conflicts (freedom vs security) before 2020. I’d add in something about “The Fourth Turning” but everyone here is probably already aware of the book.


            • People berate peppers for being able to defend their provisions, then announce their intent to come take them during a crisis.

            • BI – thank you – and I’d love to see the article – I will send Mac a message about that!

              Merry Christmas

              ~ D

            • “The U.S, states that have adopted the English style of preventing the citizen from protecting themselves are pure hell holes, other than Hawaii for some strange reason.”

              My guess is that when the SHTF, Hawaii will be very suddenly jerked off of the Fed tit and all hell will break loose there. There are WAY more people on those islands than they can support without LARGE regular imports of food, meds, and fuel.

          • Note how many people villify peppers for owning firearms and shamelessly announce their intention to come take what they want in a crisis. They seem to also have bestowed upon themselves the authority to seize peppers’ property for redistribution as they see fit.

          • Daisy,
            Looked at your OrganicPrepper site for the first time today and would like to commend you on a really interesting site. You write really well and I would consider your site right up there with Backwoods Home. Have you ever written anything for them? We dropped in and visited them at their office in Gold Beach while on a trip to ride the Rogue in the Mail Boats. Interesting bunch of people with lots of prepping experience.

        • No one seems to remember Hurricanes Rita and Ike. Here in southeast texas, we had very little mayhem compared with the lowlifes in New Orleans. We have respect for each other and a 12 gauge shotgun in your face.

          • Texans are tough people. We are more surprised by good times than we are of bad times.


            • Then why is TX now over 1/2 Illeagles?…What is TX waiting for?…Till it reaches 80%+? What Then?

              ps do you still have that same govner who ran for prez, perry?….Aint he also a zio shill like bush jr and sr was?

              PSS go read My prior post coment above this one about Communitaruins etc! you will Learn alot from them what knows.

          • Well, as they say, JT, “A smile and a .357 magnum will impress a potential mugger a whole more than just a smile alone”. 😉

      5. As I read through this a thought occurred to me. The author of this article and other authors have well documented people’s behavior in the aftermath of events like hurricane Katrina. The looting, the scramble for food, water etc. Now we see a variation of that in the frantic moves to purchase firearms, larger capacity magazines, ammunition, and the rise in prices for these items. Clearly people should have been ready in order to avoid the current situation. We never know exactly what form the problems and shortages will take. But we can see once again the value of prepping. Must buy a couple of hams, .99/#…….

        • You’re right…a little late to be stocking up on guns and ammo.I was at Wal-mart the past two Fridays.I use 22LR to practice with, and a shot from my old Marlin 39A with a 24 inch barrel isn’t all bad either. Anyway, both Fridays they were out of value packs, this Friday they didn’t even have boxes of 50. And they were out of all the popular handgun calibers and 223/5.56 rifle.

          I’ve been adding inventory slowly for a long time now, just to avoid a rush like now.

          • Cleo

            While in the local Wal-mart Christmas shopping a few days ago I checked out the sporting goods area and noticed that the only ammo on the shelf would be good for mice (.22 Short) and elephants (.458 Winchester). EVERYTHING else with the exception of a few boxes of birdshot shotgun shells was sold out.

            • …good luck finding .45 ACP either. Took 3 stores before I found any. :/

          • Cleo, right with you. Been buying a brick (550) of .22 rounds a month for the last two years. Went in Walmart the other day and they don’t keep that large of box on hand any longer. The person in the sporting goods section couldn’t give me a reason why they don’t any longer.

            • I think it’s 375 rounds in a “brick” of .22s now. Like everything else to combat inflation the size of everything from cereal to toilet paper is dropping while price is maintaining.

              It’s all part of the continuing illusion.

          • Don’t ever sell that Marlin 39A, best tin can and rabbit plinker ever made.

            • Amen i have a 1957 39A i bought for my son about 20 years ago ,wish i could find another one

          • we bought our son a hunting rifle at wally world in october. the clerks showed us an official memo that warned back then of upcoming ammo shortages. don’t even try to tell me this wasn’t planned.

      6. MAC – I know you have tough skin or you would not endure the lib-tard hate directed at this website, that you, and anyone else that has the common sense to store their garden produce or any other food they acquire. This household gives trays of food to the various food banks, helps single parent households, and supply pet food & monetary resources to the local German Shepherd rescue group. I wonder what the vile comment producers do?,…attempt to practice spelling or just foment hate?

        I read last eve a blog where a hurricane Sandy homeowner thanked a postal worker for bringing him a ham/cheese sandwich and coffee. Earlier that day the postal worker asked the homeowner when the last time that homeowner ate anything. The reply was “Two days.” Damn!, I was amazed that the homeowner did not have a few weeks of soup and drinking water YET apparently owned a computer and internet access. Uh, something wrong here???

        When I was a kid nearly everyone on our rural route stored and canned produce for the coming winter. Now people ASSUME the long supply chain will ALWAYS be in place. Jeez, now THAT reasoning is what I call being a dumb shit !

        Most intelligent people carry a spare tire in their vehicle, extra emergency $20.00 folded in their wallet, extra rain gear in their car, an old coat+boots+gloves+shovel for winter. Then I have distant, and not so aware, relatives that laugh at my precautions only to suffer near death walking to a safe place after their car is disabled in a snowstorm. I cannot help those who REFUSE to help themselves.

        Keep in mind 20% of the population are die hard libs and also a minimum 20% of the population are on pharmaceuticals to cope with reality, well need I say more.

        I must point out that the Federal Government DID have radio ads for September Preparedness Month, …WOW dingbat prep haters…you know what that means !

        • I received this in an email a few years ago. It is one of my favorite Christmas stories. It reminds me of my Dad, who was tough on us kids growing up, but had a kind heart and was fair. I have found out only in later years of the many people my Dad helped.

          Hope you enjoy it.

          Christmas 1881

          Pa never had much compassion for the lazy or those who squandered their means and then never had enough for the necessities. But for those who were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all outdoors. It was from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not from receiving.

          It was Christmas Eve 1881. I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world had caved in on me because there just hadn’t been enough money to buy me the rifle that I’d wanted for Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. I just figured Pa wanted a little extra time so we could read in the Bible.

          After supper was over I took my boots off and stretched out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get down the old Bible. I was still feeling sorry for myself and, to be honest, I wasn’t in much of a mood to read Scriptures. But Pa didn’t get the Bible; instead he bundled up again and went outside. I couldn’t figure it out because we had already done all the chores. I didn’t worry about it long though; I was too busy wallowing in self-pity.

          Soon Pa came back in. It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his beard. “Come on, Matt,” he said. “Bundle up good, it’s cold out tonight.” I was really upset then. Not only wasn’t I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason that I could see. We’d already done all the chores, and I couldn’t think of anything else that needed doing, especially not on a night like this.

          But I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one’s feet when he’d told them to do something, so I got up and put my boots back on and got my cap, coat, and mittens. Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to leave the house. Something was up, but I didn’t know what.

          Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. Whatever it was we were going to do wasn’t going to be a short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched up this sled unless we were going to haul a big load.

          Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. I wasn’t happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around the house and stopped in front of the woodshed. He got off and I followed. “I think we’ll put on the high sideboards,” he said. “Here, help me.” The high sideboards! It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just the low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do would be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on.

          After we had exchanged the sideboards, Pa went into the woodshed and came out with an armload of wood—the wood I’d spent all summer hauling down from the mountain, and then all fall sawing into blocks and splitting. What was he doing? Finally I said something. “Pa,” I asked, “what are you doing?” You been by the Widow Jensen’s lately?” he asked. The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. Her husband had died a year or so before and left her with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I’d been by, but so what? “Yeah,” I said, “Why?” “I rode by just today,” Pa said. “Little Jakey was out digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few chips. They’re out of wood, Matt.”

          That was all he said and then he turned and went back into the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him. We loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses would be able to pull it. Finally, Pa called a halt to our loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me to put them in the sled and wait.

          When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left hand. “What’s in the little sack?” I asked. “Shoes. They’re out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunnysacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the woodpile this morning. I got the children a little candy too. It just wouldn’t be Christmas without a little candy.”

          We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen’s pretty much in silence. I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn’t have much by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs that I would have to saw into blocks and split before we could use it. We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew we didn’t have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and candy?

          Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer neighbors than us; it shouldn’t have been our concern. We came in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood as quietly as possible, and then we took the meat and flour and shoes to the door. We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, “Who is it?” “Lucas Miles, Ma’am, and my son, Matt. Could we come in for a bit?”

          Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The children were wrapped in another and were sitting in front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly gave off any heat at all. Widow Jensen fumbled with a match and finally lit the lamp. “We brought you a few things, Ma’am,” Pa said and set down the sack of flour. I put the meat on the table. Then Pa handed her the sack that had the shoes in it.

          She opened it hesitantly and took the shoes out one pair at a time. There was a pair for her and one for each of the children—sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would last. I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it from trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started running down her cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted to say something, but it wouldn’t come out.

          “We brought a load of wood too, Ma’am,” Pa said. He turned to me and said, “Matt, go bring in enough to last awhile. Let’s get that fire up to size and heat this place up.” I wasn’t the same person when I went back out to bring in the wood. I had a big lump in my throat and as much as I hate to admit it, there were tears in my eyes too.

          In my mind I kept seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks with so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn’t speak. My heart swelled within me and a joy that I’d never known before, filled my soul. I had given at Christmas many times before, but never when it had made so much difference. I could see we were literally saving the lives of these people.

          I soon had the fire blazing and everyone’s spirits soared. The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably hadn’t crossed her face for a long time. She finally turned to us. “God bless you,” she said. “I know the Lord has sent you. The children and I have been praying that he would send one of his angels to spare us.”

          In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the tears welled up in my eyes again. I’d never thought of Pa in those exact terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned it I could see that it was probably true. I was sure that a better man than Pa had never walked the earth. I started remembering all the times he had gone out of his way for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless as I thought on it.

          Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I was amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known what sizes to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand for the Lord that the Lord would make sure he got the right sizes.

          Tears were running down Widow Jensen’s face again when we stood up to leave. Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They clung to him and didn’t want us to go. I could see that they missed their Pa, and I was glad that I still had mine.

          At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, “The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he has to eat turkey for too many meals. We’ll be by to get you about eleven. It’ll be nice to have some little ones around again. Matt, here, hasn’t been little for quite a spell.” I was the youngest. My two brothers and two sisters had all married and had moved away. Widow Jensen nodded and said, “Thank you, Brother Miles. I don’t have to say, “‘May the Lord bless you,’ I know for certain that He will.”

          Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within and I didn’t even notice the cold. When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to me and said, “Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have been tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could buy that rifle for you, but we didn’t have quite enough.

          Then yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came by to make things square. Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that now we could get you that rifle, and I started into town this morning to do just that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in the woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunnysacks and I knew what I had to do. Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little candy for those children. I hope you understand.”

          I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. Now the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen’s face and the radiant smiles of her three children.

          For the rest of my life, whenever I saw any of the Jensens, or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night; he had given me the best Christmas of my life.

          God bless you! Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

          • Wow! What a great story. I kinda got a lump in my throat just reading it. Thank you, KY Mom.

            • I would have liked to have seen Montana.

              • Wow, out of the blue “Hunt for Red October” reference….

          • +1,000,000

          • What a beautiful story, it says it all; that is the true spirit of Christmas! Thank you KY Mom!

          • KY Mom – That is what Christmas is about. Thanks for that !

          • Sniff sniff…
            Thanks Ky mom…
            a Merry Christmas to all,
            and to all a good night.

            (To you especially Smokin’, hope that new gig is working for ya…)

          • That’s what make’s me melancholy about christmas and the ‘OLE DAYS’ —-Now it SUCKS!!!!

          • KY Mom,

            You done made me get my allergies. Eyes and nose is a runnin. Thanks, Merry Christmas to you and yours.


        • “When I was a kid nearly everyone on our rural route stored and canned produce for the coming winter. Now people ASSUME the long supply chain will ALWAYS be in place. Jeez, now THAT reasoning is what I call being a dumb shit !”

          Amen to that, Bro. Normalcy Bias really is a real bi**h!

          Just In Time supply lines are efficient as long as everything works the way that it is supposed to work. They are not good at handling disruptions, though, and will fall apart like a $2 suitcase the moment they are put under any real stress at all. This is the supply line equivalent to a string of series wired Christmas lights!

      7. Daisy, thanks for this important article. I think it’s fair to say that every serious prepper has faced ridicule to one degree or another. Sometimes it comes in the form of name-calling such as “paranoid Chicken Little”. While I have experienced a lot of that, I also have experienced some friends admitting it makes sense to prepare and they have reached out for help, which I am obviously happy to provide. I wish it could happen far more than it does.

        I wanted to point out something that, if you’re not already familiar with it, you should be. Abraham Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs is relevant to your discussion above. Without getting too deep into it, at the bottom of the pyramid is the need to survive, and when a person feels their very survival is threatened, basically all civility, morality, and decency is thrown out the window. When the totally unprepared come to the realization “it’s either Prepper or me; one us has to die so the other can live”, well, that’s a conclusion that we preppers need to be ready for.

        Not only have many people failed to prepare in any meaningful way, but the same mindset prevents them from thinking through the natural consequences of an economic or societal collapse. Because there are far more DGI’s (those who don’t get it) than preppers, we will always be a target.

        • ” I think it’s fair to say that every serious prepper has faced ridicule to one degree or another.”

          Every serious prepper should have been wearing Social Camo for quite a few years now, and would therefore not be getting any ridicule.


        • The DGIs are going to beg for a government crackdown when SHTF because they wont understand what is happening. A scared man is a very dangerous man indeed.

        • “Without getting too deep into it, at the bottom of the pyramid is the need to survive, and when a person feels their very survival is threatened, basically all civility, morality, and decency is thrown out the window.”

          Agreed… for civilization is that 1000 year thin veneer that is painted over about 2 million years of human evolution.

      8. I have no sympathy for people who call me crazy for storing a months supply of food and water. There will be some dropped jaws and wide eyes come the collapse. People will erupt into chaos. I would love nothing more than to print out screenshots of all the ridiculing comments and tape them to my property come the collapse. Anyone coming to my front door will read them and I hope they look down in shame.

        • No one locally (in my area) calls me crazy for doing it, because most don’t know that I have anything.

          • ^THIS, is the right answer!


          • BRAVO, OQ! If your stuff is unknown, no one will come to your place looking for it.

        • No, they’ll conclude (rightly) that you’ve got what THEY WANT !

        • Anyone coming to my door is getting a hug.

          • I always knew that deep down, you were a nice guy, Eisenkreutz! 😉

            ~ D

      9. We’re not “preppers” we’re all our own “personal insurance agents”.

        The clear definition of a hypocrite is someone who has health insurance, car insurance, homeowners insurance, a savings account, 401k, etc. yet still does not stock up on extra food and water.

        As Sandy and Katrina both showed us, everything you have can be wiped out in an instant if you’re not prepared.

        It’s all about insurance. Insuring the health and well-being of yourself and your family.
        If you don’t choose to buy an umbrella then that’s fine…Just don’t complain when it rains or try to prevent others from carrying an umbrella and staying dry.
        Just remember that eventually it probably is going to rain and you will get wet.

        Likewise, if you don’t choose to own a gun then that’s fine as well…Just don’t complain when you have no way to protect yourself or your loved ones and don’t try to prevent others from owning or carrying a gun and staying safe.
        Again, just remember that eventually it probably is going to rain and you will get wet…metaphorically 😉

        Happy Christmas everyone!

        • “Likewise, if you don’t choose to own a gun then that’s fine as well…Just don’t complain when you have no way to protect yourself or your loved ones and don’t try to prevent others from owning or carrying a gun and staying safe.”

          I had a direct example of this several years ago. A new neighbor moved in next door to us and we spoke with each other several times during the first couple of days that she was there. One evening, she came running to our house, saying that she thought that she heard someone in her house. I went over there with Mr. MagLite and Mr. Smith & Wesson. I carefully searched the whole house but did not find any problems. I assured her that there was no one there but that if she did hear anything else to call me right away. The funny part of all this is that she was a card-carrying leftist and rabidly anti-gun. Thinking that her life might be on the line seemed to have clarified her thoughts on the matter a bit. 😉

      10. The Fear Monger of Christmas Past (TFMOCP)

        When the fear monger of Christmas past took me for my review of the past I found myself looking at England. Through the 80’s. It was indeed a wondrous time! I was in my teens, and full of beans!

        My family was poor. I was finishing school with not much prospect of a job. Thatcher had just taken over as PM,and employment was rampant. In my families circle of friends, no-one was doing particularly well.Over time Thatcher did battle with the Unions, broke the coal industry (and others) – and through ‘Reganomics’ things gradually got better.

        From someone who ‘experienced’ it through the Lamestream media of the day, it appeared to me that Thatcher did a good job.. and that ‘Conservatism’ was the way to vote when I was old enough. The internet was only a thing for a few scientists at the time – and so alternative news was not available to me in my small corner of paradise. To others, Thatcher represented the devil – and she had as many ‘haters’ as she did ‘supporters’. The thing I recall most is that whether you liked or hated her decision(s) – she rarely changed direction based on popular opinion.

        I was shown the ‘fun’ I had with the simple things in life. I was lucky enough to live on the back of what I thought was a ‘huge’ woods. Based on my knowledge today, I would say it was only 20 acres. In that small woods myself and friends spend countless hours building a lifelong friendship, hunting squirell, rabbit and wood pigeon. The joy we had from our pellet guns is unmatched – even with the modern day hunting Items I have.

        I managed to get a job, we had fun at countless pubs.. chasing girls.. and tuning my very first car – a 6 year old Ford Capri! Life just couldn’t possibly be any better. Family, friends and simple fun.

        When I looked around me, there were some things I ‘couldn’t’ believe. ‘Shell Suits’ seemed to be in fashion… for god-knows ‘why’ – as people looked atrocious in them! Worse still, fat people seemed to want to slide into them making them look like stuffed sausages! TV and radio had its fair share of Kardashians to follow if so inclined. People walked around looking like idiots with Sony Walkmans – just like most people today when they walk down the street looking at their latest Apple product… and not where they are walking.

        As idyllic as this seemed – they were dark times. Jobs were scarce. Crime was up. Many of the people I knew made a living out of either crime or the barter system. It was the way some people survived. Greenpeace was prevalent on the TV – there was a spectre of very real nuclear war – this was still the cold war with Russia (should any forget).

        As 16 year old’s, we did ‘build’ an underground shelter in the 20 acre woods! It lasted 2 weeks until someone found it and all was lost. Britain went to ‘war’ with Argentina, and there was a feeling that conscription would be occurring. As a now 17 year old, coming up to 18 this was a topic on mine and my friends lips.

        If the internet was available then to the public, I am sure the ‘hype’ around economy, crime, nuclear war, people ‘selling’ fear would have been just as it is today. As it turns out, the world turned and somehow we are all still here today.

        The Fear Monger of Christmas Present

        Ahh…put your heads between your knee’s and kiss your ass good bye! We are indeed all doomed! Economy worldwide, personal debt, food shortages, climate change, government control, fiat money, solar flares… and many others. Take your pick.

        The fear monger of Christmas present showed me a video of Barack Obama entitled “The Obama Deception”. It made me very afraid. It confirmed my worst nightmares. I became consumed with worry. What is a person to do with all that is in front of him/her?

        The Fear Monger of Christmas Present showed me my recent hunting and fishing trips this Autumn…hobbies that have stayed with me since my teens, and moving to Canada. Ahh… they were epic!! Simple fun with my rods and Browning Xbolt .243 I consider myself lucky to live in Canada with all that is here.

        I lived through the gun grab in the UK, so the ‘hoops’ I had to go through to obtain my hunting weapons here was but nothing. I would go through more if required. I was reminded of the fun my friends and I had on our recent trips… the comraderie that we shared.. I would not pass any of this up for the world.

        I am lucky enough to have a fantastic employer…many friends.. and a girlfriend that also likes fishing! Life is indeed good.

        I don’t understand much of today’s society. It is almost as if some people live on a different planet I swear to god. The fanaticism of phones.. Facebook.. and Twitter has been taken to heights I cannot fathom. Kids sitting at a school lunch table texting each other rather than talking? A teenager on a date with a good looking girl paying more attention to his phone?? Really??

        The reality shows and general crap that is shown on TV has made me get rid of Cable 7 years ago. I still watch Jay Leno round the girlfriends..its one vice I don’t seem to be able to shake 🙂 The Kardashians, Honey BooBoo, Lindsay… the list goes on.

        Then there is the consumerism… the new cars… the Chinese ‘stuff’.. whatever happened to simple fun? Its no wonder some people ‘crave’ some sort of ‘reset’.

        Regardless… the fears today are arguably the same as they were in the 80’s… I think just more visible due to modern day availability of information and mis-information.

        Even the Mayans get things wrong 🙂 I guess we now label the 21st of Dec 2012 as a ‘reset’ day … and not the ‘End of the World’. Lets all watch some more ‘Dancing with the stars’ until the next doomsday date surfaces and worry about that…

        Fear Monger of Christmas Future.

        The Fear Monger of Christmas Future showed me a world that is indeed in Fear. People scared of police states, wars, earthquakes, dried up farmers fields and where the next paycheck is coming from to watch the 21st season of “Bachelorete”

        I also saw some future fishing trips, parties, and get together with Friends that looked too much fun to miss. I am looking forward to them immensely


        The world continues past December 21st. It will continue on regardless of our neurotic state(s) of mind that come up on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis.

        When I see videos, like the BO Deception, I get worried. It is indeed very convincing. I always try to put on my ‘opposite’ hat and try to see if there are ‘other’ interpretations. Is Alex Jones just trying to peddle fear to make money? Is he employed by ‘someone’ to discredit whatever the topic is within the video? Something else I cant quite grasp??

        When I see programs on a topic like Nostradamous, I remind myself that anything can look like anything if you try and connect the dots. Conspiracy theories are many… and we have to try and fathom for our own selves what is real and what is making us simply ‘scared’.

        At this time of year, I am reminded that the simple things in life have truly made me happy. My friends, my simple hobbies, my loved ones. I plan on concentrating on that a whole lot more this coming year.

        I am ‘somewhat prepped’ – I would label it 70%, and have determined that will be good enough for me. For me, Now is the time to get on and live life – or look back in disappointment.

        A Merry Christmas to all!

        • I wish all of the Blog Readers a Merry Christmas. It is a time for family and friends, so put aside the stresses of the modern world that you live in and spend some time relaxing and enjoying the company of those important to you. For those who are alone, remember that you you are not.

      11. Very excellent article, Daisy.

        Be well within your soul and sigh at the unlearnables; they only prove your point – over and over and over. I don’t visit sites that I know aren’t like-minded with my thinking; much less, leave comments that would be a waste of valuable time. What do you think peeps get out of trashing someone, spewing malevolence in a virtual world. Lots of penned up hate that needs an avenue? Do they walk away and think “There! i told her, didn’t i”.
        And they wonder why some have strong desires for personal protection devices… might just be because of down right scary @ss people who wander about freely.
        Never mind, I really don’t want to even start to reckon with it. I can find better utilization of my wee brain cells…. like visits to a wonderful new site..
        love it, love it! Many thanks for all your work and efforts given so freely. I look forward to watching it grow and thrive, for it’s been planted with an excellent foundation.

        As with Mac’s extreme generosity; you folks are priceless gems for keeping the lines open and flowing freely. True beacons of light.

        • @me, LOL – I hate when I pause to re-read my comment. I guess ‘freely’ is the word of the day. Must be a subconscious thing I feel is soon to be obsolete.

          … off to bake some cookies! Merry Christmas ones sprinkled with good cheer.

      12. We’re all enemies now of an out of control state.
        Watch your backs.

      13. Welcome to the United States of Insanity. There are over 300M inmates and about 536 elected people run the institution.

        Today, the day before Christmas, the news is that 4 firemen were shot when responding to a fire in upstate NY. Two died.

        This comes on the heels of the tragedy at Sandy Hook elementary school where 20 children and 6 adults were killed.

        The news also has Sen Dianne Feinstien promising to introduce gun control legislation in January to ban so-called “assault-weapons”. Sen Feinstein has to be the star hypocrit-elitest of the late 20th and early 21st century. Since the Harvy Milk shooting in the 60’s she has packed heat while she campaigns to disarm americans.

        Which reminds me. The San Jose Mercury news back in the 80’s, I think, linked the CIA to importing AK-47’s from China and distributing them to drug gangs on the west coast. Did any heads roll for that. No!

        And of course you have the gun running fiasco where the Justice Department channelled almost 2000 weapons to Mexican drug cartels and resulted in an American border patrol officer being killed and who knows how many other innocent victems both north and south of the border.
        The Justice Department was not created 200 years ago at the founding of our country. My understanding is that it was created by president Calvin Coolidge because he was so disgusted by the corruption in Washington, DC. A very noble act. However, the Justice Department has now become an enforcement arm of the executive branch to squelch dissent from administration policy. The DOJ needs to be moved under the Judiciary Branch.

        Well, I’m very reassured by reports that NORAD is tracking Santa Claus’s arrival.
        Given NORAD’s track record of defending us on 9/11/2001 I can only hope that he’s carrying presents and not WMD.

        Merry Christmas and good luck in 2013. You’ll need it!

        • Dianne Feinstein don’t need no gun, she’s Medusa! You look that bitch in the eye, you turn to stone!

          • Why doesn’t she do us all a favor and look in the mirror???

      14. I wonder where Yahoo.com picked your story up from.Do you suppose they linked it just to ridicule people preparing? Yahoo is not much about preparing after all… more about entertainment garbage and controlled information releases.

      15. Here are the 8 questions I ask everyone when they debate with me the need to prep for any and all situations:

        1. Do you own auto, health, homeowner’s, or life insurance to protect you and your possessions?

        2. When you buy an expensive piece of electronic equipment do you spend the extra $10 or whatever it is for the store’s product protection program?

        3. When you go to a concert do you purchase your tickets in advance or do you take your chances at the door hoping the show is not sold out?

        4. If your car’s gas tank is on “empty” do you fill it up before driving a long distance or do you just assume that your car will make it to your destination whether you have fuel or not?

        5. When you’re at work do you actually do your job or do you assume that your employer will continue employing and paying you to stand there and do nothing?

        6. Did you ever spend your money buying a lottery ticket yet hope that you WON’T win?

        7. Do you buy toilet paper for your house or do you assume that you don’t need it because you’ll never have to poop.

        8. If you’re lying in bed one night and someone breaks into your house will you sit idly by and allow them to rob, rape, or murder you or your family members?

        All of these questions more or less help illustrate the reasons why EVERYONE needs to prepare in different ways in every situation throughout our entire lives.
        Every choice we make in life affects the outcome of our lives no matter whether that outcome occurs in the present or the future. If you want a happy stress-free life you need to make the right decisions in the present and you also need to prepare for the worst in the future so that when the future becomes the present you can continue living a happt stress-free life.

        • Err, on #2? I don’t. Most manufactured items already have a 1 to 3 year warranty (some are longer), and you can deal with the manufacturer to get it put right if it breaks.

          Anything after the warranty, and I replace, because by then, it’ll be obsolete, or beyond any hope of repair.

          90% of the time, the item works for years beyond the warranty anyway (I still have an ancient Apple PowerMac that hasn’t been under warranty since 2004, but it still runs just fine nowadays when I occasionally start it up).

          Long story short, the “extended warranty” that most stores offer is a ripoff. 🙂

      16. Today will be interesting. My wife and I, preppers, are hosting family and extended family. A daughter and her boyfriend who are avid hunters and shooters but not the least concerned with having extra food, water, medical supplies. Another daughter who has minor interest in firearms, no supplies, is a teacher in a major US city, and has had a 9 year old threaten to bring in a 9mm, shoot her and then “stomp her brains all over the floor’. A brother in law who smirks at preppers, has NO use for firearms, and is only concerned with his stockpile of beer and his latest mountain bike purchase. His wife, well she married him, ‘nough said.

        Does anyone need company today? I’ll BMOP, Bring My Own Preps!!!! BMOG, Bring My Own Gun. I’ll even help wash the dishes!!!!

        Merry Christmas.

        • @Mord:

          Come on down–near Santa Cruz, Cali. The wharf is empty, the crab is plenty. You can chase your own dinner,lol.

          • They still have the amusment park on the boardwalk? Had a heck of a good time there once upon a time when in the Navy. Shame we have to grow up.

          • 4 mile beach in the sixties. What wonderful memories.


        • Cmon out to the Rockies. it’s supposed to be a white Christmas.

      17. I can’t for the life of see why anyone would make a big deal out of the fact that I’m prepared. Why do they give a shit???? Why bash someone that’s just ready for life? Are they that bored with their own lives that they have to focus on mine or yours? If I want to fill my basement to the rim with food or water or guns or whatever else I feel like then that’s my business not theirs. Another excellent reason to keep your mouth shut about what you have and what they will want.

        They must buy their toilet paper one roll at at time.

        • Bill
          no those type never have a bowel movement thats the problem with them,,,,,


          • Hey Snake,

            Wanna bet if those types took a healthy “dump”….they’d instantly become…transparent!?!


            A very Blessed & Merry CHRISTMAS to all here!!!

            • Gun
              i`ve seen it ,,,youare so right bro,,

              Merry Christmas


      18. Daisy:Stop wasting your time. It is too late. Society has been dumbed-down, people have taken sides, no longer can you change minds. We are now the God-fearing against the God-less. Obama’s reelection was proof that no amount of common sense and facts will alter the zombie brains of the miscreant majority. We are the minority and our numbers will diminish, not increase. Next comes collapse and survival. Take my attitude-I am right and they are stupid and not worth my time to debate the issue.

        • Ron – I really don’t think 0bama’s re-election proves anything. There was no truly conservative candidate, and there was massive voter fraud in several key states. Look up the number of counties in IL, FL, and PA that had over 100% voter turn-out, and also the number of counties where Romney had ZERO votes!! That just cannot happen, and proved the election was stolen. And now most people think it was a mandate for socialism because most people voted for it. Total BS!!!!

      19. I agree an economic collapse is coming but how it will unfold is in question. These are uncharted waters. We have never seen the world reserve currency in collapse before. I suspect it will affect different parts of the world in different ways. Some area will benefit from it while others will suffer. All we can do is prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

      20. Excellent article! I pray the reports of the slaying of the fire fighters are not true. Sickening. They go to risk their lives to help others and their wives become widows on Christmas.

        I’m sure this will add to the clamor for gun control.

        • “I’m sure this will add to the clamor for gun control.”

          No doubt at all that this is EXACTLY what the would-be tyrant and his sycophants who are causing this are thinking.

          • This morning I flipped tv chanels and not certain?..Think it was msnbc stock report stuf, it played what sounds like a 911 emergncy call on them fireman shot,

            What was strange was is all I heard(if I even heard it all when I tuned in?) was a mans voice saying…

            “Two firefighters are Down! Both shot and down!…I think the shots came form an Assualt rifle!”…Hmmmmm…

            How can he know what type rifle?…Or is there more I failed to hear if tuned in late?…Didn’t sound like that to me though….Hmmmm…More feds involvment?

            It sure made me perk up after hearing him say it like that….Some very fishy stuf occuring around shootings and libs antigun crap no.

            • What, you mean you can’t tell just from the sound??? /sarc

      21. Mac, not to sound like a Grinch, but how bout adding some green bulbs under the banner in with the commie red ones? Merry Christmas Mac and all!

        – Bad Guest

      22. Great article! Thank you! I would only add.. according to many different experts from various fields, around 2030, there will be a convergence of crises (population spike, water shortages, climate hell, economic problems, peak oil crises, etc) which will make life almost impossible. When you think about it, 2030 is not that far away!!

        • Well great Cindy, I just survived 12-21-12 and now I have to worry about 2030.

        • The exact date to watch out for is January 19, 2038. Most 32-bit Unix computers will have a problem. In Unix, the time variable is a 32-bit number, counting the seconds since 1970. In 2038, the reported date will switch to 1901 and date calculations will be incorrect. Programs calculating future dates will act up before 2038.

          Before anyone says Y2K didn’t cause any problems, I can say from personal experience that there were programs that absolutely would have failed on January 1, 2000. I had to totally rewrite a major piece of software for a law firm. The dates were stored as two ASCII characters.

          A lot of personal computers were replaced in 1999. I saw countless web pages for years after 1-1-2000 that had an incorrect revision date at the bottom. Since year 99 was gone, they had the year as 100 or 19100.

          The big unknown was the problem of millions of embedded processors which were not being replaced, some because they were inaccessible. It turns out that most of them kept working, but some failed. There was an automobile factory that was being shut down. They did an experiment where the computer people changed the dates on the computers to December 31, 1999 and then waited for the date to change. When 1-1-2000 arrived, the entire factory came to a halt, all the computers, all the conveyors, and all the robots. This was just one test out of many that were reported on the internet. Our lamestream media downplayed the problems and did not report most of them.

          So if you are using Unix, go to 64-bit.

          There is a good Wikipedia article on the Unix millennium bug.

          • Archivist, you funny guy! Trog no have electricity in 2038. Ha Ha Ha, tis the season to be jarry, fa ra ra ra…

          • Reply to Archivist

            You are absolutely correct. Y2K didn’t happen because billions of dollars were spent to correct the software ahead of the event.

            I don’t expect to be around on January 19, 2038 and I suspect there won’t be any Unix computers around either. The world will be run by IPads running a quantum dot operating system :-).

            • “The world will be run by IPads running a quantum dot operating system.”

              So say the optimists while the pessimists say that the world will be run by those who can throw a spear the furthest. 😉

        • Sorry to tell you this Cindy ‘loo hoo?’ The crisis is on our door step; be careful when you open the door 😉

      23. Daisy, that article was right on target. I had no idea your last article was quoted on yahoo; no wonder you got so much hate mail. This is just more proof to verify what you said in that last article, that we preppers are the last group of independent thinkers in this country. We’re also the last group of people who live in the real world and know something horrifying is coming to change all our lives forever. We prep for all the best reasons in the world. I’m a prepper and proud of it; I don’t give a damn what any nonpreppers think about me. None of us owe anything to any nonpreppers. If any of them come to my place for anything, I’ll ruin their day permanently. personally, I’ve given up on trying to wake up anybody. let them keep living in their little fantasy world. When TSHTF, they’ll start regretting their current position toward us. It’ll be just like in BI’s article of 5-12-12, How Horrific Will It Be For The Nonprepper? I believe it will be exactly like that article said. Daisy, I only wish i could be in a position to help you if any fools were really trying to hurt you or any of your family. You are a very valuable resource to all of us here at SHTFPlan.com. You’re one of the sharpest blades in this house. Thank you. Braveheart

        • Amen to that BH. I would be very happy to lock-n-load if Miss Daisy was nearby and needed assistance.

      24. what a fantastic article.

        all i can say about some of these people: they sure can talk a helluva game when they and their loved ones have a full belly. let’s see when the local whole foods is out of organic food and your kids are writhing in pain from hunger. you’re gonna wish you had a gun…. to point at your own head.

        • Right on, AP. They seem like BIG talkers, so if talk and BS can get them what they need, they are golden. If not, then they are indeed in deep s**t. And good on ’em too. Well earned, well deserved.

      25. I suspect it’s DESIGNED to do just exactly that.

      26. “You see, if your survival depends on killing others than the world in which you will exist will not be worthy of keeping.”

        That all depends on one’s perspective. I will do what it takes to protect me and my loved ones. If that means fending off those who chose to do nothing, so be it.

        I spoke with my nephew last night about having a food supply. I told him if it’s just me, then I have a one-year supply. If he moves in, it’s now a six-month supply. If my niece moves in, it is now a 4-month supply. If their children move in, it becomes less than a 3-month supply.

        Everyone consider how much you have and how much you will need to support several people with a one-year supply of rfood or more. We may end up going outside and standing in lines just to blend in with those around us. Pretend to be someone with equal need as those who did not prepare at all.

        • “We may end up going outside and standing in lines just to blend in with those around us. Pretend to be someone with equal need as those who did not prepare at all.”

          That will work for a while but when you don’t have the same hollow-eyed sunken-cheek look as the rest, the game will be over.

      27. As in the “days of Noah” when the mockers who were the first ones pounding on the door of ark as the storm clouds gathered. So also shall it be in our day that these lazy, selfish, unprepared mockers shall gather at the doors of the prepared, demanding they be let in!

        Only this time, instead of wild animals driving them away, it will be lead!

      28. That bottom picture is a beautiful sight.

        Merry Christmas everyone!

        • @Jason – Merry Christmas, indeed, young sir. You have the makings of a grounded soul. Don’t let anyone throw ash on your fire. Be of good cheer this one day we usher in. Rejoice! There is much time for trappings of another color.
          Go enjoy something, be it family, friends, or just the knowledge that good tidings should never be forgotten… for if they… are we are surely lost.

          ~..~ wee sends you a virtual cookie 😉 one with extra sprinkles.

          • TG
            my request is for peanutbutter extra crunchy no sprinkles please


          • Thank you. Gonna enjoy a relaxing Christmas with my family.

            And I send you a return sugar cookie with extra frosting.

      29. If the idea of armed police in schools sounds like a crazy NRA idea, .One year after Columbine (2000). Bill Clinton requested $60M for the same thing.

        • VRF….Democrats have had only two agendas since Clinton:

          1. Health Care Control
          2. Gun Control

          they are hell bent at getting it.

        • The idea of putting a cop/armed guard (or whatever) in every school is a laughable idea, because the US government has absolutely no intention of spending anymore money on schools or education than it absolutely has to. If anything, we can look forward to continued crumbling of all government-supported instititutions over the next few years.

          The NRA suggestion was based on the faulty-assumption that the economic crisis is over and happy days are here again. They are not, and likely won’t be; at least not in our lifetimes. From here on out, our government tax money will be wasted on protecting the government ITSELF from collapse. There simply won’t be any money left for frivolous expenses like the education of children. Homeschooling isn’t going to be some really nice thing that enlightened parents do..it’s going to become a necessity. Remember, socialism works fine until you run out of other people’s money..and these people are running out of money very quickly now.


      30. This points out how critical it is to shut up about your business. I was raised with the same tenets that preppers today tend to follow. The difference is that I was also raised to trust “kin” (family and proven friends), mind my own business and be respectful toward others, but not to share my affairs with anyone outside of kin. Nobody outside my circle knows that I am a prepper and that is the way it should be for all of us.

      31. Daisy, good article–I have two choices to make:

        1. Fear the Govt with nothing, or
        2. Fear the Govt with something.

        I choose preparation.

        • Agreed but prefer the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson:

          “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

          When the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

      32. Preparing for the uncertain is all well and good,surviving the uncertain will be another matter.
        This period of history that is about to explode upon us is not called the tribulation without reason.
        Tribulation :
        1. hardship: great difficulty, affliction, or distress
        2. cause of suffering: something that causes great difficulty, affliction, or distress, e.g. an ordeal
        misfortune, trial, suffering, ordeal, distress, difficulty, trouble, problem, hardship, misery, pain

        On a different note i have a challenge,with this being winter and the nights almost 14 hours long with low temps, try putting on enough clothes and spending it outside all night, awake. Something that may become necessary in the future.

        • Many things may become necessary. If we spend ourselves testing them all, will we still be able to do what truly needs to be done when the time comes? Perhaps.

          Rather than staying awake all night, have a couple of dogs around, one in and one out of the house. They will let you know when it is time to awaken and greet any middle of the night visitors.

      33. People need to look at this kind of stuff as a insurance policy. It may be useless till the time you need but when/if you need it, it’s right there for you. And if you don’t have it when you need it, you are going to be kicking yourself in the a$$

        Merry Christmas

        • Do you have that soap recipie? Lye and…..

          • Beg, Steal or Borrow?

        • Exactly. The night of Obama’s first election I was living in a very “diverse” neighborhood inhabited largely by rapid Obama supporters. We had already had large demonstrations at some schools and in the streets during 2006 in support of amnesty. McCain was leading in early returns. I was sincerely concerned that rioting would break out in my area if Obama lost. The only rifle I had was a World War II carbine with one mag and one box of shells. I loaded the magazine, and thought about how I had not really felt the need for a defensive rifle before, but that when the time came that I felt I needed one I did not have one. I realized I needed to rethink some things. Some of these folks who see the tap suddenly cut off, due to unavailability, of serious defensive rifles may be having the same Uh-Oh moment now.

      34. Daisy, another excellent article. The hate mail you received from those retarded libturds is all the proof anyone needs that they live in a fantasy world. When their world comes apart in post-SHTF, I doubt if even then they’ll wake up. Just like everyone else here, I am a prepper. I prep for the same reasons as everyone else here. I gave up long ago trying to wake up any nonpreppers. My prepping is now into overdrive due to the latest tragedies and the demonization of preppers by the MSM. Daisy, in your last article, you said that preppers are the last group of independent thinkers in this country. Oh, so true! We preppers are the last group of people who live in the real world, who see what’s coming over the horizon, and are continuing to prepare as best we can for the main event. Last night I reread BI’s article from 5-12-12, “How Horrific Will It Be For The Nonprepper?”. That article describes exactly what i believe the nonpreppers will go through in post-SHTF. Their days will be numbered and that number won’t be large, either. The “Great Culling Of the Fools” will take placew with a vengeance. Just like in the old biblical story of the virgins and the lamp oil. Daisy, I just wish I was in a position to help you if anyone was really stupid enough to try to hurt you and your family. You are a most valuable resource here at shtfplan.com. You’re one of the brightest lights in this house. Thank you and God bless. Braveheart

        • “The hate mail you received from those retarded libturds is all the proof anyone needs that they live in a fantasy world. When their world comes apart in post-SHTF, I doubt if even then they’ll wake up”

          No, they will not, but they WILL die. I hope that I can withstand the loss of their continuous whining and crying about just about everything.


        OK, my favorite my quote is the first one:
        “I have no problem with anyone stockpiling water and food… I believe it is the preppers’ need for stockpiling ammunition that is the bizarre twist…”

        Of course the liberal finds issue with the guns. The above quote defines the modern liberal mindset: “Go ahead and stockpile food, but leave it defenseless, so when ‘we’ need it, ‘we’ can come and take it from you for redistribution to those that did not prepare.” Classic socialism, there. Thanks for sharing it; it’s a nice Christmas Eve present.


        • I agree, Mal. Those who are totally incompetent to handle weapons always assume that everyone else is as well and that is why they always want to get rid of them. Bad news for them… we are not.

      36. Mac, I’m sorry for posting tthe same thing twice; wasn’t sure the first one even made it through. Nina O, I know what twon you’re referring to. I posted a link to an article about it several articles back. That town is only a 1.5 hour drive from my home and crime is far worse in my twon than in the town in the article. There’s no legitimate basis for martial law anywhere in this country. Braveheart

        • My wife lived in Paragould in the early seventies. Only crime she ever knew about was controlled by the Dixie Mafia. What many do not realize is that the illegal immigration/gang problem in the South is just as bad as in Calif.

      37. The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

        And with the way things are going, its not going to get better..they all wish they could be armed..because they are going to need it.


        UK 1,158,957 Number of violent crimes
        rate per 100,000 residents = 2,034
        Austria is a close second
        and South Africa is 3rd

        france is at 504, per 100,000

        The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents

        Shut that Morgan assholes mouth..he needs to get his facts straight before he goes pointing a finger at anyone else.

        time for this lackey to pack up his shit and go back home..oh thats right he doesnt want to go back home ..its too dam dangerous for his cowardice ass.

        and it seems his own people dont even want him, gee..I wonder why?

        • VRF

          Please link the above for my records and the “Doubting Thomas” I occasionally E mail.


          Bono Natel

        • @ VRF. Those figures look like what I sent to Mac about what a living cess pit England is for crime, and because they have taken away the deterrant of the criminal by making people helpless to defend themselves physically and in the court system over there.

          The simple fact is that piers morgan is advocating getting rid of America’s guns, HE SAID THIS ON HIS PROGRAM, I WANT TO SEE ALL 300 MILLION GUNS BANNED. This would be a total violation of the 2nd. Amendment and the right given to a civilian militia to protect the country. What that bumcrack could easily be viewed as is someone that is trying to stir up problems for the national security of the country. Both in crime, but especially from foreign invasion. This has to be looked upon as someone that is a foreigner that is going after the basic foundations for keeping this country safe and free.

          How about a petetion to get piers thrown into Guantanamo Bay for questioning about where his allegiance stands, with America and the security and protection of a civilian militia that is preached so much on his show. Getting rid of all 300 millions guns sure doesn’t at all sound like someone that is pro-American security. OR an allegiance to some foreign power that would love to disarm American citizens. Guantanamo Bay would be a nice tropical vacation for him, New York is so cold and snowy this time of year. 🙂

          • Hey BI! Another 5.0 west of the Macquarie Island!! I Think someone is headed for some deep s**t! You?

      38. look it up on the You Tube

        2nd Amendment – Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp testimony

        • Listen to it..all the way to the end..yeh, listen to what she says at the end

      39. While we take time to celebrate the birth of our Saviour, please remember our TBTF bankers and the Central banks of the world in your New Year’s resolutions. You know, the ones that have held the world hostage with bailouts under threat of “tanks in the streets”.Resolution #1…hang some bankers.

      40. I second many of the comments here. There’s a guy that runs a site, decline of the empire; and he’s of the mindset that preppers are content to watch the rest of the world burn and try not to get any on them; boy he’s an idiot.

        I, like most here; will be trying to help those around us with the extra we have; but we don’t have the abilities to help everyone in the US and the point to reverse what’s coming past with the last election and probably long before that.

        My heart really breaks for what I know some people will go thru in the worst days, but it can’t be stopped now. We are in for periods of power outages, food shortages and runaway costs of living. Anyone thinking the US reverses this without some real pain has no idea what the financial state of the country is.

        • The problems we have with globalization, political corruption, pollution, etc. are systemic problems. They exist because of the corruption and inefficiencies that are ‘built in’ to the system. There is literally NOTHING we as ordinary citizens can do short of armed revolution which would only make the situation worse in the short term.

          All we can do is prepare ourselves as best as possible to survive whatever scenarios are GOING to unfold in the future.

        • Very good post, Lena. The simple fact here is economic in nature. Those of us who prep spend our money on the things that we know we may very well need one day. We have chosen to do this to protect ourselves, our families, and our close friends. Unlike libs, we KNOW that we can’t afford to provide everything for everyone, so will not be exhausting ourselves in that doomed to fail effort. We do what we can and encourage others to do the same. If they choose to join us, that is great. If not, then they can just live with the consequences of having chosen poorly.


        The looting of AmeriKa by the Illuminati NWO Globalists and their Puppet Political Prostitutes , will continue until once free tax debt slave Americans finally hire the accounting services of Smith Wesson Sturm & Ruger.

        Till then expect … Same MORE Zog Fed Commie Gov False-Fag CIA mk-ultra Terror Attacks upon the innocent citizens children of enslaved AmeriKa by the illuminati jesuit zionist freemasons , different day !

        ~N.O. ;0p

        • Happy Holidays NinaO !!

          That fat guy in the red suit is not target practice !!

          Anything with antlers is fair game !!

          Reindeer–no–rain lead !!

          May we all find peace in the storm…BA.

      42. Daisy,

        Thank you for your continued efforts and braveheart is right in many ways in his 2:10 pm post especially “You’re one of the brightest lights in this house.”

        To you and all others here, have a Merry Christmas.

        Y’all Beware! And Keep Smilin’.

      43. The following was developed as a mental age assessment by the school of Psychiatry at Harvard University …. Take your time and see if you can read each line aloud without a mistake. The average person over 50 years of age cannot do it!

        1. This is this cat.
        2. This is is cat.
        3. This is how cat.
        4. This is to cat.
        5. This is keep cat.
        6. This is an cat.
        7. This is old cat.
        8. This is fart cat.
        9. This is busy cat.
        10. This is for cat.
        11. This is forty cat..
        12. This is seconds cat.

        Now go back and read the third word in each line from the top down.

        Y’all Beware! Keep Smilin…

        • Iam an old fart and I skipped to the end after 3 lines. Scotch and word games don’t mix. Nice.

          • Very nice, JRS. A man and his scotch; not soon parted. 😉

        • I recall reading about some shrink guy who as keynote speaker at the anual convention for Pysciatrists, which had over 5000 attend it…

          His speach began with “As you all should know, one out of four persons in america IS a mental defective!”

          At hearing that the crowd of 5000+ clapped wildly!

          I wonder if any realized that means 1250+ present are included in his numbers of mental deranged?

          So reg folks has a one in four chance the shrink dr They choose to analize themselves is as goofy or worse then they the Patient is…..ps99% of shrinks is libs/kommies.

      44. It’s Not a “Fiscal Cliff” … It’s the Descent Into Lawlessness

        Economist Marc Faber calls the U.S. a “failed state“. Indeed, we no longer have a free market economy … we have fascism, communist style socialism, kleptocracy, oligarchy or banana republic style corruption.

        * America is a Lie !

        see link below …

        ~N.O. ;0P

        • AmeriCa is not a lie.
          It has just lost it way. We must help get it back on track or survive it’s death.

          Instead of beating up on each other. We should be making bigger groups of like minded people.

          • @fbp = LOSER ;0p … you SMALL PEA BRAIN RUNNING ON FUMES JUST MISSED THE SHORT YELLOW BUS DIMTARD need to seriously “Bugger Off” STFU STFD and quit riding my coat-tails shoving your very brown nose up my ass … “DOES IT SMELL particularly GOOD TODAY , i just ate some stuffed mushrooms , goat cheese , wheat bread , broccoli and drank a glass of burgundy ???” … all you do you Limp Wristed Dimtard with your Moronic Ignorant Hanger-On posts is wreck the impact of my and others SHTF posts statements … now Piss Off !

            ” AMERIkA IS A very well controlled deceitful directed manipulated ILLUMINATI FREEMASON ZIONIST controlled LIE !!!”


            ” It is Not some lost 4 year old kid with a runny nose and a diaper full of stink running around at walmart !”



            NOW PISS OFF LIL’ BOY …

            ~N.O. ;0p

            • The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part I)

              I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.

              They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.


              • The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part II)

                The obvious intent is to disarm American citizens. They will say that we’ll still be able to defend ourselves and go hunting, but even that will be severely regulated. This is the part that they are still working out, though. While the plans were made years ago, there is some argument over the exact details. I know that Napalitano, even with her support of the agenda, would like to see this take place outside of an E.O. [Executive Order] in favor of legislative action and even with UN involvement.


            • You need to increase your meds. As to the looting the repeal of Glass Steagal and then Clinton bringing Robert Rubin in as Sec. of the Treasury did the groundwork for the fraud. Goldman Sachs and the other big banks/brokerage houses now control everything. Corzine steals over a billion from account holders and then gets a free pass because he was a big Obama fund raiser. What are we going to do when these crooks buy up all the food supplies and sell them overseas.

              • @John W … You still refuse to see The Truth of Who really controls AmeriKa … it’s right in your face and still you can’t see it .

                Their black DHS gestapo jack-boots are stepping grinding on you necks , driving your faces into the bloody dirt , and still you can’t see .

                The fraudulent elected Puppet Political Prostitutes in AmeriKa are All OWNED LICENSED DOGS of the NWO UN ZOG JESUIT ZIONIST FREEMASON ILLUMINATI OF BRITAIN/ EUROPE .



                sigh … how can you people still not see this … it’s right in your faces ???

                John Corzine and most of WallStreet is only a Financial Puppet of the Illuminati Bank of England , which is All Controlled by the Family Rothschild(rED sHIELD) of Britain and Germany !



                ~N.O. ;0p

              • John W

                My broker and two others we’re in a discussion about Jon Corzine. They all said they can’t figure out how he escaped formal charges because the rules regarding segregated accounts are very clear. The abandonment of Glass-Steagall is only half of it. Just as bad and possibly worse is not enforcing laws still on the books.

                “An uneducated man robs a train. An educated man steals the railroad”.
                President Theodore Roosevelt

          • I believe that “back on track” simply cannot happen within the current political system.


      45. “These “preppers” should ALL be arrested , their food stockpiles distributed to the homeless, their guns conficated [sic]. Start with the people on the survivalist blogs.”

        Good Lord, and they wonder why we’re worried.

        • Most of those comments are being made by paid posters/professional agitators. The left wing has a very extensive network of those who disrupt web sites and post nonsense/threats. It intimidates people not to post or get involved. There are a couple on here who engage in the behavior with their profanity and personal attacks.

          • There are also various government agencies that are now doing domestic propaganda (all illegal of course). It would not surprise me if posts like you cited were paid for by our tax dollars.


        • Indeed. I haven’t heard vitriol of that nature from ANY prepper or survivalist… and, somehow, we are the ones who need to be controlled. The liberal mind should be studied very carefully to see if it can be determined where and how it was mis-wired.

        • Marcia: Look what passes for a “Journalist newspaper writer today” heres a TYPICAL Liberal rag They believe in!

          Nathan McCall (journalist for the Washington Post in his autobiography “Makes Me Wanna Holler”) — “The fellas and I were hanging out on our corner one afternoon when the strangest thing happened. A white boy … came pedaling a bicycle casually through the neighborhood. … Somebody spotted him and pointed him out to the rest of us. ‘Look! What’s that mother****a doin’ ridin’ through here?! Is he crraaaazy?!’ … We caught him on Cavalier Boulevard and knocked him off the bike. … Ignoring the passing cars, we stomped him and kicked him. My stick partners kicked him in the head and face and watched the blood gush from his mouth. I kicked him in the stomach and nuts, where I knew it would hurt. Every time I drove my foot into his balls, I felt better … one dude kept stomping, like he’d gone berserk … When he finished, he reached down and picked up the white dude’s bike, lifted it as high as he could above his head, and slammed it down on him hard. … We walked away, laughing, boasting, competing for bragging rights about who’d done the most damage.” [Nathan McCall, Makes Me Wanna Holler: A Young Black Man in America, Random House, 1993, p. 3.] (added 2/05/03)

      46. Well I got no problem with the ammo stockpiling. In fact I’d prefer a reloader setup.

        I do have kinda a problem with a few things: sacrificing other preps to have 20 rifles is kinda silly. Depends how many people you got. Spare parts, sure. I can see that.

        Other problem is with the hysteria to run out and get on an ATF list somewhere. There must be a better way. Shit they made do with blackpowder weapons for centuries. I grant you need at least one or two modern weapons for defensive purposes but for hunting, 200 year old tech should work just fine…

        • Its not about hunting..never was..never will be.

          and I refuse to hunt with 200 year old technology..As it is with the current leadership we have were, already headed back 200 years…would you want to go back to the transportation we had 200 years ago?

          • VRF – well actually my kid is taking horse riding lessons nowadays. I figured it was one of the more useful suggestions from his therapist lol!

          • I find it significant that the US Constitution does not contain the word “hunting” at all. So, all arguments about guns that bring up that word are just red herrings… emphasis on RED.

            As to using old tech, sure, no problem. A VERY effective hunting tool is a good bow and arrows. Not that I want to HAVE to use them because I have nothing better but they make a fine addition to a small armory. Unlike black powder arms, a bow works just fine, even when wet. 😉

      47. Great article Daisy- I was surprised when I saw your last one pop up on Yahoo – The comments were interesting. It’s funny how so many non-preppers chide preppers for “stockpiling” weapons and ammunition, but they’re so quick to wish harm on those who choose to prepare! They’re too dense to realize that they just justified the reason to store weapons and ammunition.

        But I agree, I think fear is the driving factor, because the responses are so quickly and instantly hateful, and if you attempt to have a reasonable, factual conversation, they refuse to listen and then they just resort to painting you as crazy, which is their only defense – as I’ve said a thousand times, easier to discredit the messenger than the message.

        • Those who do not prep do not prep for a very good reason. They literally cannot stand the idea of their well ordered little world collapsing and admitting that their world is in danger of doing just that would be necessary if they were to prep. They can ignore all the problems that we see clearly and hope that they will “just go away” if they do not prep. When they see or read about someone else prepping, it just brings the whole collapse scenario back into their heads and causes them real pain. This is why they last out at preppers. Better to chew the cud, baa a few times, and get on with enjoying their pathetic lives while they can. I sincerely believe that they know that the S will HTF as well as we do; they just react to that possibility in a very different way. We prep for things that MIGHT happen while they only prep AS something bad is happening. Yes, I know that they have a really bizarre attitude about all this but that is all part and parcel of the mis-wired liberal mind.

      48. You have to understand that this whole thing is based on control. Liberals are passively very controlling people. They believe that they are smarter than all of us, and also more civilized as well. Guns and preps shatter their ability to control us. Many of these people have achieved high levels of success in their lives, but they can’t really do anything. I’m not here to denigrate anyone’s profession, but most liberals don’t really know how to do anything of any substance. Thier whole existance and power structure is predicated on the current status. If that goes away, then they will be lost. Suddenly, they are not the smartest people in the room. This scares them. They despise us as evil people, without ever listening to us or choosing to treat us as equals. The anti-gun hatred towards totally innocent people shows us how these “peace loving” people will act when the lights go out. It won’t be pretty…

        • Liberals simply cannot never admit that They are whos wrong as are all their agendas. So liberals who claim to be most tolerant and NON racists etc are actually the Worst of all folks!

          But due to inability to admit this instead Project Their real Guilts upon Us!…And liberals as bad as that mental derangment is, also Believe all their Own Lies about us or their failed agendas they refuse to admit to.

          This IS what makes already mental deranged idiots become even More dangerous to normal folks like we are.

          The combo of wont admit wrongs, plus believe Own lies is far more a danger than a dozen drunk hells angles or any swat team on a raid.

          The best part will be when they cannot harm us they, like ghetto dwellers that lack whiteys to attack, Will begin to attack each other!

          Given enough time Both ghetto dwellers And avg liberals should lessen their duo threats to Us types without us doing anything but observing….Oh and Yes at That point Loud Cheering by us will be ok then!

          Remember, there is absolutly Nothing worse or more of a danger than a single liberal with an agenda! Except of course More than one!

        • Smitty, spot-on description of the liberal mindset, well done!!

      49. I’m new to posting on this site, but I have been reading and learning a lot from the majority of you all here, and I’m sure I will be forever grateful for what you guys share here. Especially yours (and BI’s) posts.
        Great article, Daisy!

      50. Oh,almost forgot to wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 🙂

        • @Watcher69:

          “Welcome to the party, pal”.–Die Hard.

          Happy Holidays !!

          Thanks in advance for having my back….BA.

      51. Assuming there is an economic collapse and you prepared as best you can and therefore have necessities while surrounded and outnumbered by those without you will loose yours. “From them according to their means (that’s you) to them according to their needs (that’s them)” will be the guiding principal of society. This principal will be closely followed by, “If I can’t have it then either will they”. It’s illogical to believe your home in suburbia will be a fortress able to hold off desperate masses.

        Keep away from people in the event of the above.

        • Suburbia will be a death-trap. The “subdivisions” I see have extremely limited egress routes. They are under-defended. The homes are built with low-quality materials. The soil is usually of low-quality, which is why homes were built there. The owners all planted grass instead of building up their soil. These neighborhoods generally are not gated, and therefore do not have a layered defense. And (generalizing) suburbia is full of unhealthy people who don’t workout, have no training in self-defense, and would have no idea what to do in an emergency. In short, they are totally screwed. They probably actually think the government is going to…help them…good lord.


        • Multiple bullet wounds WILL change those attitudes.


        (we’re going to need it)

      53. Ron Martin, while I agree with your points about the nonpreppers, you need to lighten up on Daisy. She has the best intentions in the world when she submits articles like these. her efforts are not totally in vain. more people have awakened and now “get it” since the 2008 economic crisis. There are more preppers now than there were 4 years ago, so articles like Daisy’s are doing a certain amount of good; how much is hard to say. While it’s possible some preppers might get killled over their supplies in the intial phase of post-SHTF, the dickheads who refused to prep are going to be dying off a helluva lot faster and in numbers that will stagger the human mind. I estimate at least 50% of the nonpreppers will be dead in the first 3 months of post-SHTF. So just back off from Daisy; just let her do her thing. Daisy, you go, girl. keep up the outstanding work. You’ll never get any complaints from me. Braveheart

      54. I agree with Z. The amount of fear in the commentaries is palpable. They are afraid and preppers make them more fearful. They feel helpless and much of that helplessness comes from their government sponsored education.

        When TSHF they will turn on the preppers, identify them as “the other” that caused the problem and seek to confiscate the supplies. Look at other societies that have been through the same problems. In each case, the government identified another group to blame for the problems then stole from them.

        It looks like the government is set to label preppers as domestic terrorists. The police state comes in and gets the supplies, most of which go to their cronies and the sheeple watch on tv and say “all those crazies need to be locked away”

        I am afraid too but it is based on research and experience with human behavior and it leads me to take action to protect myself and my family.

        • When the gauntlet is thrown down, the time for TALKING is over and it will be “on like Donkey Kong”. No, they can’t have my guns. NO, they can’t have my food or water. No, they can’t have anything that I worked for and earned and they did not. Just say NO! and mean it.

      55. Dont forget..This administration has armed the cartels and the mexican outlaws with the guns they are now trying to take away from us..! except I bet the ones our government gave them (Illegal gun running) Fast and Furious, guns were probably full auto and select fire.
        with as many magazines as they could stock pile along with the ammo to go with them..If you give up any arms, you are walking dead already.

        If you dont think they will be a problem for us if they disarm any of us..ANY OF US!..than you need to have your head examined..

      56. AL: Whatsa matter, Ma? Gettin’ scared?

        MA: No. Ain’t ever gonna be scared no more.

        (After a pause)I was, though. For a while I thought we was beat–*good* an’ beat. Looked like we didn’t have nothin’ in the worl’ but enemies–wasn’t nobody frien’ly anymore. It made me feel bad an’ scared too–like we was lost… an’ nobody cared.

        AL: Watch me pass that Chevvy.

        PA: You the one that keeps us goin’, Ma. I ain’t no good any more, an’ I know it. Seems like I spen’ all my time these days a-thinkin’ how it use’ta be–thinkin’ of home–an’ I ain’t never gonna see it no more.

        MA: Woman can change better’n a man. Man lives in jerks–baby born, or somebody dies, that’s a jerk–gets a farm, or loses one, an’ that’s a jerk. With a woman it’s all one flow, like a stream, little eddies, little waterfalls, but the river it goes right on. Woman looks at it like that.

        AL: Look at that ol’ coffeepot steam!

        PA: Maybe, but we shore takin’ a beatin’.

        MA:(chuckling): I know. Maybe that makes us tough. Rich fellas come up an’ they die, an’ their kids ain’t no good, an’ they die out. But we keep a-comin’. We’re the people that live. Can’t nobody wipe us out. Can’t nobody lick us. We’ll go on forever, Pa.

        We’re the people.

      57. Since we are trying to prepare for what we see as some possible serious economic times, I had a question about solar energy.

        I have been looking at a solar energy system that entails solar panels, rechargeable battery, and a power inverter.

        My main goal is for cooking, boiling water, listen to radio, and other small time stuff that wont quickly drain the battery. I dont want the bigger stuff because of cost and I dont want to run the battery down in just one hour after each recharge.

        The systems I have been looking at are between 75-100 watt solar panels. Is that enough?

        • Ugly

          Cooking? Resistive load (heat and power) requires a lot of energy. A small pump of .5 HP is roughly 373 watts. Just bringing up a gallon of water from 50 deg to 212 and not even holding it for any time would be about 400 watts (390 actually). Leave the heat for fire. Get a camping refrigerator that runs off propane and save the “juice” for those necessities that only electricity can do like a well pump. A wind up radio is a good investment.

          Energy 101

          1000 watts = 1 kilo watt= 1 kw= 10 100 watt lightbulbs= 3413 BTUs

          1 gallon of water = 8.33 lbs

          1 BTU raises 1 lb of water 1 degree fahrenheit

          Water at 50 degrees to 212 degrees= 212-50= 162 btus/lb x 8.33 lbs= 1,350 btus.

          1350/3413= .39 or 39% of a kw or 390 watts.

          Hope this primer helps.

          • Kevin2,

            Thanks much. Does the 12v rechargeable battery help. All I am looking for is small time cooking with such things as soups. No oven type stuff, but the smaller burner type stuff.

            Even though I live in a large Ag area, neighbors just dont care and dont believe in an economic collapse. So I really dont want a fire as it attracks folks, just like noisy generators. Not being stingy, but I have been talking of this stuff to friends and neighbors and some are prepared well and many not even caring. The fire is good if neighbors cooperate, but if it turns to civil unrest, then you need to be quiet.

            Where I live in Idaho is a good area. Good people. Lots of guns. Lots of potatoes. Lots of grain. And an LDS crowd that believes in preparation.

            I am looking into solar energy as a system to use but not to rely totally on. Thanks for your info. Sounds like I have more homework to do.

            • Ugly

              If you need heat use fire. Electric is not the way to go. Get a camping stove. The power drawl is way too high to generate heat from electric.

              Save the electricity for those things that only electricity can do.

          • If you have to melt ice it gets even more energy intensive with over eighty times the energy required to go the one degree from solid@32 to 33 degrees versus from forty to forty one degrees or any other temperature up to boiling. It takes a thousand times the energy per quantity of water to get water to convert to the gaseous state(steam) from liquid.

            • Actually 970 BTUs to evaporate one pound of water that is already at 212 deg f and another 180 just to get it from 32 up to 212.

              Old time stationary engineer here.

          • Thanks for reminding me just how badly the English system of measurement units SUCKS. 😉

          • When you get that water boiling temp, don’t underestimate the importance of a Stanley-Aladdin thermos.
            I kept water hot for 24 hours in a test.

      58. @ Everybody. Hate to be a bearer of bad news on Christmas Eve, but they had another earthquake on the Macquarie Islands, this means that 70% of a good size earthquake is up to 75% or more depending on what I find when I have the time to look this over from past records. I have been so irritated by these anti-self defense extremeists trying to take away our protection that I have been letting this forecasting of earthquakes slip. This one was a 5.0 and does indicate something big building within a couple of weeks. I hope I have time to give a forecast by tonight, I will try as there are many people that could need this if their area is the next target zone.

        • Why would an earthquake be bad news? It was thousands of miles away and anyway over a thousand earthquakes occur every day. Unless you live in Ca. why worry? You have more of a chance of getting hit by a car.

          • @ John W. An earthquake that kills and/or injuries and destroys property is bad news, especially for the people that it affects. There are many places around the world to worry about earthquakes. It is not just california, it is Washington, Oregon, Alaska, and British Columbia from the northwest. Those people certainly matter. What about the people in Utah sitting under the Wasatch Mountain faults? How about the people affected by the New Madrid fault. How about all the people that will have to deal with the tsunami from when the Caribbean plate breaks, like Y’all Beware in South Carolina, and especially those in Florida?

            You do have a better chance of being in a car accident, not of being hit by a car. Why? Because WHEN a major fault breaks it affects millions, or tens of millions and all of a sudden it is an one in 100 chance up to a one in 5 or 6 chance of being affected by a major fault going off. Besides this, wouldn’t you feel bad if one of those people that you communicate with on this site was severely injuried or killed in an earthquake? Don’t you want to know when an earthquake is possibly coming, like that 6.4 that was forecasted before it happened last week of the coast of San Diego, to your area so you can be a little more ready? You matter just like everybody else out there.

        • Yur killing me Dude…..!

      59. Good article, Daisy.

        You know, for a while there I felt really sorry for the masses. But, they are so very willing to follow the mainstream like sheep that I just can’t feel sorry for them anymore. I’ll still try to wake people up, but, I don’t feel sorry for them anymore. The Bible says they will be given a strong delusion because that is their desire. That delusion appears to the present world of luxury and distraction.

        But, anyways, I am done. The sheople have such a strong desire to keep it “in the box” that they’ll do anything to think its still in the box. Now for them to demonize the very people that can actually see the truth and prepare for it, well, thats just tough luck.

        I am preparing for economic collapse. I will never claim to be a prepper to anyone using my real name again.

        I do find it odd that the very people that demonize is spew such hate and disdain as they accuse us of quietly doing the same. It is “ignorantly insane”. I accuse the anti-gun morons of the same.

        They are so fully dependent on the system that they cannot even conceive of doing anything by themselves and would ask government for permission for any action. I am seeing the commonality, now, between the anti-gun public and the anti-prepper public. Couple this with the anti-thinking public (that just cannot bear to think about the inconsistencies in the Sandy Hook Massacre and that it could be something other than what it seems) and you have a pliable body of minions that can be steered in just about any direction you wish. Our federal government and the criminal bastard psychopaths that control them must be proud. Hehe. The fact that they have lost control and their staged massacres no longer create the type of panic they wish to create has got to have them in a panic themselves.

        They want us to run to them for solutions, but they are seeing an ever increasing resistance to their steering. The last few shootings have caused ammo shelves and gun racks to clear, not a flurry of letter writing or begging government to come up with a solution (or, delusion, as it were). While the majority of Americans are in the sheople class, they are quickly relizing that something isn’t just right.

        Government is not the answer. Government is the problem. They keep creating problems and try to frame guns, medicated kids, etc, but in reality there is only one problem: government.

        Government, after all, IS THE MOST DANGEROUS THING that has ever been created by man. Nothing in history has destroyed more, murdered more, stolen more, raped more or poisoned more than government. Nothing. Though, there are those that say religion runs a close second, however, I would remind them that in those cases it was “teamed” with government of WAS government.

        The secret they do not want you to know is that you are sovereign from birth and they are criminals for violating that sovereignty. For that, they will burn in type of hell they have created for themselves. That hell is beginning to develop as they eat each other at the top.

        More massacres to come. But, just realize, they are staged just like the one at Sandy Hook. Your perception of Sandy Hook is being managed just like they are attempting to manage the perception of preppers.

        I will be glad when it all falls apart. I think it is the lies that bother me the most.

        • You are right, they are coming apart at the seams..we just have to keep starving them every step of the way..starve them of the attention, starve them of our money, starve them of our abilities..they didnt build a dam thing with out us..without us, there is no them..but if we work it right there will be no them before there is no us

          There will always be sheeple..and there will always be followers of the false..

          what we all need to do is loudly point out the wrong in anyone who who supports anything TPAB do or the government, and make an example of them.

          One nice way to send a message would be to put Mr. Morgan on a 1 way ship to South Africa, with 1/2 a tank of fuel…and arrange a few Pirates to pay his un armed ass a visit

        • I think sometimes I forget that we are created free men and women in the truest sense. I seem to think that leaders have some sort of control over everything I do just because they say so. I find myself questioning if what I do might be breaking a “law” and whether I should be doing it or not.I sometimes have to smack myself along side the face and realize that it is me versus the state. The state owns nothing legitimately. It traffics solely in stolen goods.

        • “Your perception of Sandy Hook is being managed just like they are attempting to manage the perception of preppers.”

          Do you REALLY think that anyone who reads this web site is “being managed”? LOL! Not bloody likely, buster.

      60. Those people do not like what they believe, deep down their hearts, may be happening. So how can they like those who prejudice their efforts to keep their heads buried in the sand? If you cannot stop bad messages, shooting the messenger is an option for some.

        • Like I been saying for many many months..where is the list of traitors thats in this country?
          where is thier addresses, phone numbers, aireal view of their homes, names of sons and daughters..bank account statements, etc..?

          if you want to shut them up, you need to go for the throat!

        • Shows how little they actually know about guns – look at the picture, a revolver with 9mm ammo next to it!!!

        • The homeowner will probably be charged with something.

      61. Okay I did this as fast as possible to give everybody a look at what is happening. There have been in the past 40 years 24 sequences of earthquakes of 5.0+ within a degree or so of the recent 5.0 in Macquarie Islands. 19 out of 24 times (79.2%) 6.5+ has occurred within 15 days. Most have been 6.7-7.3, sometimes mutiple places were hit. Here are the locations that have been hit and can be expected to be hit again.

        – Soloman Islands and Papua New Guinea 8 times
        – Chile or Southern Peru 5 times
        – Indonesia 3 times
        – Japan 3 times
        – South Sandwich Islands 2 times, then big earthquakes hit after this polar region had a large earthquake
        – Kermadec Islands, Mariana Islands, Easter Island, Mexico, Greenland area, Indian Ocean, Kuril Islands, Vanuatu, and Kiribati all once.

        I would put a big bull’s eye on the Soloman Islands and Papua New Guinea for a high 6 to low 7 range.

        Chile and Peru I would say has a good chance of a low 7 to high 7 range.

        Japan if it gets hits should be in the mid 7 to low 8 range.

        Other locations I would say would have to tie in with the previous earthquakes that were likely to bring a 70% chance on the Dec. 22 post. This included most of the locations given above, but also california and the Black Sea region.

        By the way the 4.9 on the southern Mid Atlantic Ridge was directed right at Peru by using the western movement of the South American plate using the curvature of the planet. The volcanic activity in South America is the results of what is happening with the plates right now. The time frame for these precursor earthquakes is until Jan.8. 85% chance of a 6.5+ in one of these locations mentioned, still about a 70% chance for a 7+.

        Percentages based on the already established 80% chance of today’s earthquake, plus the earthquake on Saturday and the earthquake on the Mid Atlantic Ridge just about a couple of hours ago.

        • Thanks BI, We will be talking with family thru the holidays, I will try to give them a good heads up, Not like there is anything they can do if it happenes, but just to be on top of things..litterally

      62. Not to harp on this but piers morgan said he wanted all 300 million guns banned in the U.S. Let’s look at who would benefit from the United States no longer having a civilian army and militia to back up the armed forces should that enemy decide to launch a limited or full scale attack inside the U.S.

        – China
        – Russia
        – Iran
        – Syria
        – Hezbollah
        – Al Qaeda
        – North Korea
        – Central and South American terrorists centered around Chavez.
        – Hamas operatives
        – Sleeper cells affiliated with various terrorist groups

        Americans should never want the 2nd Amendment tinkered with at all, it is meant to help protect the national security of the country from true enemies, including one’s own government. When a foreigner starts to talk about getting rid of 300 million guns, all guns, this should be looked at with grave suspicion as an enemy sympathizer or even some darker tone to it. Why is a foreigner so obsessed with everyone having their guns taken away, it is not their country? A nice trip to Guantanamo Bay for piers to be throughly interrogated MIGHT make him think differently about his personal crusade in disarming America.

        • If I was the man in charge, his ass would already be in cuffs in a seat with water running down his face.

          • Lol, VRF! If YOU were the man in charge, none of this BS would be happening. 🙂

        • @BI:
          To borrow a phrase from the movie Quigley Down Under “We already run the misfits out of our country, sent back to England.”
          I guess this as- wipe is trying to get revenge for his ancestors.

          Death to the RED COATS! (LOL)

          • Any revenge needs doing, it ought to be Americans invading England. They did that to us TWICE and have not be repaid for that… yet.

        • Personally, I get a chuckle out of Pier’s fruitcake sounding cockney lisp. But while we are defending our rights through the second amendment, shouldn’t he have every right to say what he wants by the first amendment? Or do we only apply this to Americans? Should we start deporting all foreigners who say something we don’t like? Free speech, I think, applies to all in this country. Just ignore the dumb SOB and maybe he will go away. It’s all about TV ratings and, God knows, CNN sure could use some help.

          • No, he shouldn’t have that right–not it one radio talk show host served a few years in prison for telling the audience 2 judges should be shot for their rulings a few years ago.
            What is the difference–which of these is causing or suggesting riots??

            • ‘if’, not ‘it’.

      63. Merry Christmas to everyone here at shtfplan.
        To Mac- thanks for another year of great articles. And for leaving the playground wide open for us.
        Miss Daisy, well done! My Stetson is off to you.
        And a few personal notes:
        To jasoncookies, many of the people on Mac’s site won’t be around in 20 or 30 years, but you will. You, and your generation, must carry on with the torch of liberty. I have no doubts that you’ll do fine.
        To Fear Monger of Xmas Past- thanks for the comment. It revived some great memories. By the way, what color was the Capri? Ours was canary yellow and ran like a Ferarri!
        To Ted Kennedy- have a great holiday. And roll up the windows, it’s getting wet in here.
        To all the rest (it’d take half of Mac’s bandwidth to list you all)- thank you for the links, the stories and the comments. Thanks even for when you disagree. Sometimes I actually learn from criticism. (other times I just sit in the corner and pretend to put voodoo hexes on you)
        Also, for those of you in the Faith, please remember to keep praying for Random Tangent down in Montgomery County, Texas. And for all the rest of us, too!

        • And a very merry Christmas to you too.

        • what happened to Random Tangent?

      64. Well done Daisy!….dont let the naysayers get to you,see them as an object lesson and learn from their ways..it helps us to know there are people who are on another plane of realiy from us…that way we are ready and not shocked by having to deal with them with no warning, in the middle of a disaster….TO ALL OF YOU…A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY 2013 BE A BLESSING FOR ALL OF US AND MAY LIBERTY FLORISH AS TYRANNY DIES! 🙂

        • Naysayers don’t add a thing to a person’s life. They are like chiggers in your socks, adding nothing but pain in exchange for the bites and blood sucking they do. Too bad that DDT doesn’t do as well for them as it does for real chiggers. Might have to whip up a batch to find out. 😉

      65. Good article…Merry Christmas everyone….ran across a arcticle about the upcoming dockworkers strike from Boston to Houston…supposed to start Dec.31???Could be a lot of interruptions in the supply chain if this happens?

      66. NetRanger, i’m with you all the way about the masses. daisy was spot on in her previous article about preppers being the last group of independent thinkers in this country. The masse, with few exceptions, will never come out of the twilight zone. Even in the intial phase of post-SHTF, they’ll still cling to the illusion that Uncle Scam will still come and save their bacon; ain’t happening, in my lifetime or yours and we all know it. plus, you’re right about them receiving a strong delusion; hell, that’s already been happening for decades and especially now. My first contct with anything you could call prepping was when i was only 5 years old. In October, 1962, my older brother helped our dad build a bomb shelter in our basement because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. I still remember that like it was yesterday and it left a lasting impression on me. That was back in the good old days when we had civil defense programs and there were public shelters everywhere. The US government actually encouraged everyone in those days to be prepared for anything that could happen. Now everything has turned 180 degrees. if you prep for anything these days, you’re labeled a terrorist by DHS. Pardon my French,BUT SCREW DHS OR ANY OTHER FED AGENCY WHO LABELS US AS TERRORISTS FOR EVEN THE MOST MUNDANE OF NORMAL EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES! There’s nothing legitimate about government anymore. I don’t recognize anything they say about anything as legitimate and refuse to accept it or be bound by it. let any nonpreppers come to my place to try and take anything from me and I’ll ruin their day permanently. When I lived in Florida, I prepared for and survived several hurricanes; came out smelling like a rose every time. After coming back to Tennessee in 1982, I moved into a mobile home. Only 3 months later, the mobile home caught on fire and made me homeless. I had my own personal SHTF. Fortunately, not all my possessions were in that trailer at the time, so it didn’t take too much for me to start over and i had another home in only 2 days. I am a survivor. I was a prepper before the word was even invented. My prepping is in overdrive now thanks to the anti-selfdefense turds and the demonization we’re getting in the MSM. I could have been a lot worse toward Ron Martin earlier, but I wasn’t about to let the attack on Daisy go unanswered; I think she’s great. Merry Christmas to everyone here. The day after i resume my prepping and hope everyone else does the same. Braveheart

        • I’ve always prepped. My father is a farmer that has always shunned the federal programs. As such, its hard to make much of a living farming. But! The nice thing about farming is that you’re basically producing more food than you can eat and selling it. As such, we always had all the beef we wanted. During the winter of 197?, we lost power for 8 days. Dad and I carried the freezer outside. It was -25 and we ate steak and chops all week.

          We ran the generator for 2 hours in the morning to run the furnace. We had the thermostats in the house set to 78 and at 6am the lights came on and the furnace roared to life. At 7am we’d all take a very brief shower after the water heaters were warmed up. During this time the house would be warming up absorbing heat. We’d run around like it was summer. We put heavy blankets over all the doors and windows except for a couple so we could see and the back door so we could get in and out.

          Dad and I still had cattle to feed and wood to cut. It was so cold that we wore thermal underwear. I actually wore them under my pajamas because it was in the lower 50s by the time morning came around.

          We burnt wood in the fireplace and roasted marshmallows and hot dogs. Mom made hobo stew a couple times over the fire, but mostly she used an two burner coleman stove to cook with.

          Frankly, we could have gone on forever as long as we could get a gallon of gas per day and 2 gallon of heating oil.

          I never forgot that experience. Frankly, it was more fun than I could ever express in words. It changed me inside, somehow. Now, as I set and relive it in my mind, I just realized that that 8 day experience is what made me a prepper. The extra food mom and dad kept on the shelves and in the freezer gave us a buffer until life returned to normal. Problem is, I think it may not return to normal for years once the breakdown occurs. So, I’m not prepping for 8 days of no power, I’m prepping for 8 years.

          Oh, by the way, during the 8 day adventure, Dad and I drove the dump truck loaded with a few ton of wood, into town to try and get some milk. You know those ads that show shelves empty. Guess what? I HAVE SEEN THOSE SHELVES FIRST HAND! They had power in town but the store was out of EVERYTHING.

          As a 12 or 13 year old kid, I was a little panicked at times, however, my dad was just like, “Well, we’ll just do it some other way.” Never give up. Never give in. There is always some way to get someting to eat, keep warm, get where you want to go. You can toss in the towel like some prepper haters in the article suggests, and thats fine, I can always use another grease rag.

          Oh, one thing I also remember: as my father and I were out cutting wood to burn in the fireplace we would find mushrooms. No, not morels or some that you’ve heard of, but, oyster shelf mushrooms. They were hard as a rock. Prefrozen. I was given the job of collecting them. We drag out a tree and I’d knock all the shrooms off of it and put them in a burlap bag. We brush them off and toss them in a freezer bag and then into the freezer. When mom was ready, she’d thaw them and we’d eat them. I even roasted them over the fire, basting them with butter, and ate them. Makes my mouth water just thinking of it!!! We had tons of them. In fact, at one point, we had no more room in the freezer. We just left the bag setting outside.

          That was almost 40 years ago. I’m a prepper because if you’re not, you’re just kind of stupid, in my opinion. People that don’t prepare for a little adversity are just dumb.

      67. The Rainbow….

        In 1966, as a young kid of 6 years, my family moved to Moscow, Idaho where my dad was pursuing a PhD at the University of Idaho. We lived in the south area of Moscow heading towards an area called Genessee, Idaho.

        If you dont know the Palouse country, it is basically big rolling hills of vast lands of wheat. It is the dryland bread basket of the world where wheat yields of 100 bushels per acre are common without any irrigation. It is a snow and rainfed area.

        My sister and I went to grade school in Genessee. My mom worked at Genessee until about 5pm and my dad stayed at school until later times, cause he worked at nights.

        In April, the rolling hills are green. It is a green that only Dorothy could admire.

        As usual, after school, the school bus dropped me and my sister off at our farmhouse that my parents were renting. That day it was raining. And it rained another hour or so while we were at home waiting for mom.

        The rain stopped and then came the rainbow.

        Rainbows are commom here, but not this one. As a young kid, it was a very big rainbow. And I wanted to chase it to its end.

        I talked my sister into leaving the house and going to the rainbow and see what it looked like. I thought I could grab it when I got there. My sister and I walked and ran over several of the rolling hills, yet the rainbow was just alittle further.

        After doing this for awhile, my sister got tired and stopped. I continued to the next hill, and then got frustrated because the rainbow again was just alittle further ahead.

        It was getting to dusk and my sister yelled for me to come back. I told her no but I will be back and will go just one more hill further. She pleaded, and then left. Well I reached the next hill, and then darkness came. It was turning from day into night.

        And darkness came fast, and I was alone.

        I cried for my sister, but nothing. If you know this area, when it is dark it is very, very dark. Nothing.

        I was lost, and I cried. The tears were large and fear settled in. I could hear the coyotes and I kept walking in the darkness. I have never felt fear and lonliness like this ever since. I was afraid and I experienced pure loneliness and I regretted not going back when my sister was calling for me.

        Later, I found a road. The usual country road and not paved. I walked on it. With time, from a distant view, I saw headlights coming in and out of focus as they were going up and down the country road. Lucky for me, it was my parents and my sister. They found me and I was no longer lost.

        To this day I remember that and what being helpless and unprepared felt like. I was 100% helpless. Fear was always there. I really hated that moment. I dont want to experiance it again. That is what motivates me to be prepared for what I fear the future is going to bring.

      68. @SurviveItsDeath SID



      69. @SurviveItsDeath SID



      70. There are some hard decisions that are coming. Preppers are going to have to balance their natural tendancy to want to help people, with the need for famly security.
        I have adopted a policy of keeping my mouth shut, and telling no one of what I am doing, or have done. The only people I do talk to about what’s coming, are people I know who are doing the same thing.
        When everything starts really boiling, all these people you tried to convert to prepping, are going to remember who warned them, and be at your door. They will demand, not ask, for some of your stuff. To them , it is community property.
        The doom and gloom that was once just a posibility, is now more of a certainty. it’s just not that hard to see the terrible outcome of a society, who is just a bunch of brainwashed sheeple, who are programmed to do whatever the evening news tells them to do, and think.
        Read the handwriting on the wall folks. keep your mouths shut, and stay on task. This sin’t going to turn out well.

      71. @SmokinOkie

        Glad I could revive some memories 🙂 My Capri was Red, and although in retrospect it handled like a bit of a pig compared to modern vehicles… it was fairly quick for the day! Had many a fine experience in it.. and with friends.

        Keep Positive…enjoy the holiday’s and the loved ones around you.

      72. The GMO crops are more expensive to grow and have a much lower yield. The quicker we get these disease causing crops out of the picture, the better.

        Commodities not only going up because of supply/demand and inflation, but are also going up because of market manipulation in the futures exchanges along with the derivative side-bets.
        Your morning coffee has gone up not just because of shipping costs and price of production, but mostly because of paper market manipulation.

        • *the futures markets are doing price-discovery and risk-transference from farmers to speculators. Any manipulation is either being done by government (interest rates) or banks (gold/silver). This is not the fault of the market itself. Free markets are a GOOD THING and should be protected. If you don’t like free markets, then you must not like free people either.

          *coffee prices are going DOWN right now, not UP. In fact, we hit a new contract low in current-month coffee a few days ago. This is due to increased supplies from countries like Vietnam, which are now opening up to foreign trade.

          But regardless of these facts, I’m quite sure that the next time prices for corn go up, people like you will be begging the government to “do something”.


          • The price of corn has gone up because we are now burning it in our cars for fuel – because of govt mandates, because they want to “do something.”

        • Monsanto needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.

          • Hear, hear.

      73. You just knew this was coming from the league of nations, I call the un this because it was as totally useless then as it is today: http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-approves-debate-arms-treaty-opposed-u-021426613.html

        Without the NRA and other gun rights supporters, the 2nd Amendment might have been overturned by now. Just remember ANY un troops in this country doing ANY police or military work should be considered as a foreign invasion. No one ever should ever take orders from any un force, they have no jurisdiction over American citizens. I know what a lot of people would do if they had a bunch of un military forces roaming their streets, treat them like you would if Russian troops were everywhere. Wolverines anyone, from Red Dawn movie.

      74. What more do we need, to open our eyes to the fact that we should be prepping, NOW. All you have to do is look around at what is happening at the very moment were in. They come on slowly and then! Thing happen very rapidly! How many readers, myself included, said I’m going to buy that gun,or some of those magazines or a case of that Ammo. But something came up, or we got distracted and put it off.We knew this day was coming, we saw it before with the Clinton Ban. And after that ban “Sunset” we said were going to stock up now, but we put it off. Go try and buy any of those items now. This very same thing will come upon us with foodstock and it will be to late to act. Most of us already have some weapons and ammo so in that respect we’ll survive. But when it comes to food, we’ll be in a world of hurt. Wise food prepping during a time of plenty is not selfish. If you want to see selfish, just wait until the shelves are going empty. And while your prepping for defense and food just remember, the LORD will come like a thief in the night, so most importantly you better be Prepping for that.

      75. Doomsday Preppers “escape from new york” was stupid. You could never bug out from a city in real life. Bugging out is suicide.

      76. Well, my wife and I had my sister-in-law and her husband over for supper last night. We had finished eating and the conversation was just meandering chit-chat when the subject of the school shooting came up. My daughter, a first grade school teacher, showed my SIL the video of the “second man” running through the woods behind the school. My SIL said she didn’t believe it but that it was only Lana that was responsible. Then she made this statement: “Well you know the mother was a prepper kook who had all this food stored up and owned a whole bunch of assault weapons.” I caught my wife’s eye when it was said and she smiled a little bit. My SIL is totally oblivious of ANYTHING that goes on in the world unless it relates to shopping and/or Bingo at the town firehouse. Her husband is great but says very little. I’m toying with putting my SIL on the “Starvation list”

      77. Hey all,
        Wow time flies, I realize I haven’t posted a comment in months, just been busy at work, getting as much overtime as I can when I can. Prepping of course, hunting, shooting and making shine(when I have time) and trying to enjoy life as much as I can in this crazy ass world we live in.
        Anyhow, just wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas and let ya know that I will pop in more than I have been, although its time for A new handle, been using RWS III too long gonna ring in the new year with a new handle, don’t know what it is yet but I’ll let ya know when I figure it out.

        Well Merry Christmas, enjoy Family friends and life, cause who knows what’s in store for us this year.

        RWS III

        Oh and Daisy, nice article, well done girl 🙂

        • I’d love to have some of that ‘shine!!!

      78. if everyone prepped, FEMA would have to find another job – or at least stick to their mission statement… looting..?? there would be none to speak of because most all able-bodied would be armed and securing their stores… emergency crews for electrical, etc…? preppers with saws and chainsaws clearing streets giving the crews access… housing..?? individuals with their own shelter, taking care of themselves…

        we have the ability to house ourselves and our close family in tents and covering tarps.. we have a means of heat and cooking as well… 4 ways to produce clean, potable water… we would also make arrangements for a limited amount of charity help for others, bearing in mind that my philosophy of charity is teaching a man to fish while giving him enough for the moment to get by for his first fishing venture… for instance: some line, a few hooks, plastic bait, a bobber, a sinker or 2, a few waterproof matches and a folded sheet of foil all in a small metal container… oh yeah – all this with a word of caution: go take care of himself…

        this is a “bare-bones” explanation just to get my approach across…

        pray for the best, prep for the worst

      79. I hope it snows 9 ft deep to a 10 ft Indians azzhole ! Merry Christmas everyone whoo hoooo !

      80. Daisy,

        Excellent article! With multiple links to support points made in the article, only those who DON’T want to know will refute it.

        It is sad there are so many out there who would make such hateful comments to you.

        Take care. Hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas!

        KY Mom

      81. First of all, Merry Christmas to everyone!


        Thank you for your many articles on preparedness. I have to admit that I really admire you. I don’t know that I could continue to try to spread the word and wake the masses when you receive so much hate and ill will.

        Please know that there are many of us who have recently awakened and are very grateful that you are willing to share your insight and knowledge with us. Please continue the good work.

        Many thanks to all of the regular posters on this site. I have a sense of dread for 2013 but thanks to everyone on this site, I much more prepared to handle whatever it throws my way. Merry Christmas and may God bless you and yours.

        Southern Gal

        • ANYTHING ??????? read my comment a few down and tell me your ready for ANYTHING !!!!

      82. New famine is a crisis of undersupply, or has it been on purpose?

        This year has been a bad one: An abbreviated monsoon in India has left crops dying; poor rainfall in South America has slashed yields; soybean and grain output in Asia have been cut in half; a drought in the U.S. has dropped its corn reserves to a fifth of their normal level.

        This has set international food prices soaring – 7 per cent higher than last year, and grain 12 per cent higher, close to the 2008 historic peak – and left even more people hungry.

        How can this be? After all, it’s not as if people are becoming more vulnerable. The UN’s first Millennium Development Goal – to halve the number of people in the world living in absolute poverty by 2015 – was accomplished ahead of schedule, four years ago.

      83. I have a few odds and ends stacked away .
        So if worse comes too worse , I will have enough resources . To take a whiz on the corpses of the unprepared .

        Whats wrong with that ? )

      84. Economic collapse used to be an important topic now it PALES in comparison to the current attack on the second…..make no mistake about it

        • I agree.

      85. Posted Dec. 24th on Breitbart …

        Intimidation: NY newspaper publishes names, addresses of gun permit holders.

        Article shows “map” with locations marked.

        • Same newspaper also had an article “targeting gun owners as the root of all evil.”

          • WHEN the fuck will we STAND up as a group and say enough ?????? WTF will it take …….the train ride AFTER you are disarmed

            • Try Rich, try… I’ve tried.
              Our individualism and intelligence is our Achilles heel. While, the left has ‘meetings’ to organize more or less openly, we are full of;

              Rightly so, but that time is coming I feel.
              Only, it will be guys like me, with a rifle in hand,
              standing with a sign.

              “molon labe”

              At that point, you either stand with me, or you’re against me.

              • Actually PM/Rich99…I think its gonna take more than that!
                …because the enemy(TPTB) doesn’t give a shit whether their JBTs take “incoming & casualties”. They’ll utilize any episode to spin the propaganda their way, via the LSM!

                …thus the only avenue for success is to deny them “resources”, like food shipments, fuel, water, electrical power…etc…etc!

                The necessities for life in the “BLUE-ZONES”(liberal-land), come from our territory, aka the “RED-ZONE” (see various voter maps for details)…and we possess the ability, the motivation, the hardware & the intelligence to employ such. Call it an adaptation of 21st century…SCORCHED EARTH!!!

                They lack the resources to protect every railroad, every train, every electrical substation, every bridge, every food truck, hauling the supplies into their metropolises …the list is long indeed!

                Plus, the last thing they cannot abide, is the loss of “foreign/domestic investment monies” that would evaporate @ warp-speed…should an AMERICAN PATRIOT INSURRECTION ever kick off.

                Think about it, if you were a foreign investor & had serious money tied up in the markets/treasuries/bonds etc…and you seen a credible armed uprising against the gubbermint by the populace of said country…wouldn’t you CASH-OUT ASAP????? Of course you would!!!

                On the plus side of the ledger…”WE” have the numbers, “WE” possess the deepest/overlapping skill-sets, “WE” are determined.
                “They” have paid lackeys, who will cave/run when things get serious enough!
                “They” are dependent & are “banking on”…our FEAR of them, so as to keep us docile & afraid to act/return fire/engage!
                The sleeping giant is awakening…bad news for them!

                The only thing lacking, is a “coalescing event”….

                But its coming folks…its coming soon!

                Stout hearts to all…….

      86. Merry Christmas you weirdo preppers!

      87. Someone pleae take a read at the Bible. Read Revelation, Daniel, Habakkuk. You’re right, the world is going to get much worse. Prepping will be a good thing for the short term. Many people will go into the woods/wilderness to survive. We’ll all be competing for the same, limited “supplies” that nature can give us. Not everyone lives/can live in the “wild”. If all urban people head to the “wild”, survival will be short-lived even for preppers. All that grain,dehydrated/canned food, gardens-where will all the needed water come from to utilize such supplies? A family,including pets, watchdogs, “survival animals”,(sheep, goats,chickens, etc)must be properly hydrated to do the hard work of survival. I always see “food and shelter” listed as the first items needed for survival; seems odd most preppers don’t consider a clean water source before all else. The world is short of clean drinking water at this moment. Many people don’t have the money/skills to prep as if life will eventually go on in reverse mode, i.e. a return to “the good old days of self reliance”. I have never seen a site/individual offer to teach somone certain skills for prepping-at least any that aren’t books/videos, and they aren’t cheap. Seems preppers aren’t willing to share their knowledge to help others, truly teaching, hands-on skills. I don’t believe that, it simply appears to be so. If I’m wrong, someone please let me know, politely. Be it known I’m not knocking preppers at all; just putting in my own opinion.

        • Jean ~

          One of my favorite sites for new preppers is Ready Nutrition. Tess Pennington has a section called 52 Weeks to Preparedness and it breaks down what you need to do to become well-prepared within a year.

          There are many links in each article that give specific instructions too!

          And best of all, it’s all free of charge! Check it out –

          readynutrition dot com

          Link to follow!

          • Jean mich here and so far our great lakes is still full as can be of fresh water! Over 20% of all worlds fresh water as mater of fact!

            I do not believe all the usual naysayers claims of not enough water or whatever….Its the same ones back in 1970’s who said by yr 2000 we all die due to “Over Population” and enviro whack jobs similar stuf.

            What seems to really be the trouble on water or food shortages is for some ironic reason, most 3rd world folks never “Think” of digging a well for water as they are always too busy screwing to create more babies they cannot feed already!

            This begs a question…If they are starving and lack water? Where do they get the energy to screw like wild banshees so much?…Sex does take effort and energy no?

            I’d bet most in them nations are sitting above plenty water and aint relized it yet.

            I do know before Hillery got kadafi whacked he was nearly finished on his worlds Largest project ever…Bigger than Hover damn project was!

            It was a Massive huge undergorund fresh clean water supply found under upper africa where he was at. It extends far and his project soon would have supplied ALL africa with as much water for humans And agriculture and livestock as needed…Not sure whats with it now after hillery got him murdered?…Probobly Goldman + Shachs is the New owners and has a tight Lid on water now.

            Or they plan to pipe it to isreal as they do have a severe water shortage. Figures eh…Only They count as usual.

            • AM…spot on…his h20 to isreal, his gold and the need for a central bank as there was not much debt in Libya. You know, to much independance there.

        • This gives me an idea…
          Is there a Master List of all the leftist scumbag leaders in this country?

          Maybe one should be started…?
          Complete with targeting coordinates…. 😉
          (Just so they get ‘the message’, ya know.)

        • Wear that scarlet letter like a badge of honor, and give em lead!

      88. Since it is the holidays, I thought I would bring good cheer to all Americans.

        I have read several articles that state nearly 50,000 drones will be in American space and only in America in the next two years. These drones are from military drones to strike a dissendent doing organic gardening, to as small as a hummingbird for spy purposes only.

        These drones will be used in America only, based on the article(s).

        Lets assume that only 5,000 of the 50,000 drones are for military striking purposes only within America. The other 45,000 are used for spy technologies.

        If you assume that each drone of 5,000 can do 4 sorti’s per day, then that is about 7 million sorti’s per year.

        Now there are about 311 million people in America. That is about 86 million households when you consider families, singles, divourcees, students, etc. Let say that 6 million of the 86 million households are preppers.

        You see, when there is an economic collapse the bigger cities will have civil war and the smaller areas where many preppers live will be under the drones. The 7 million sorti’s in one year for the 6 million preppers will thin that crowd pretty fast.

        For 2013, preparation needs to be what Daisy and other articles show. But also, it needs to be on a very serious nature. You need to have a food storage of 6 months, but you also need to know how to gather the ‘free’ food from the land.

        People, this drone stuff could be in full effect by year 2016. Thus, 2013 is a very important year of preparation.

        Do we really believe that there will be elections in 2016?

        I hope I am 100% wrong. But from all the readings and what is happening I dont think so. For instance, the money printings. At $1T per year, the only effect of the is collapse.

        I am happy to see many people starting to see the ugly future and starting to prepare. The problem is that most people are not, dont care, and dont believe it.

      89. Good article. Those that whine the most, call you names, spout garbage from their indoctrination are not worth thinking about. Consider the source and dismiss them as useless slime on the belly of a sea slug. When this country implodes, they will be the mass of zombies crying for help, but will be left to drop dead by their masters as useless eaters who have served their purpose and now have no revelance. Do they really think that their masters are going to care or share when the time comes. For you gutless yellow dogs or should I say bovines do you really think that those of us who prepare are going to let you get away with taking our preps or our weapons. When my war face comes on just like in the jungles of nam years ago, don’t f with me you will not win.

      90. @ Ugly – Thank you for an insightful post.

        @ Be Informed – Thank you for your posts, esp. re: Earthquakes.

        @ Lanny – Thank you for your link to Steve Quayle and
        the RoseBud interview. I also read interview # 2.
        I would like to bury my head in the sand and believe
        this ‘source’ is wrong. Yet, there is enough sense throughout to make this RB believable.

        It saddens me and angers me that the U.S. would orchestrate its own collapse of the dollar.
        To create riots and upheaval.

        If an earthquake at one of the 3 faults in the U.S.
        takes place, perhaps their evil plans may change.

        I guess I don’t understand why ‘they’ want to raze this
        country and turn it into a global faction. The 2015 map
        with the U.S. without boarders is esp. egotistical.

        I have my faith. I prep. Thats all I can do. And, read places like this to keep me aware.

      91. I’m looking for a place that sells and installs CB radios. I would like to get one put in my truck, for that extra communications edge. Anyone have any ideas for the Denver area?

        • Look up any significant truck stop.

      92. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.
        Ronald Reagan
        40th president of US (1911 – 2004)

      93. You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.
        Ronald Reagan

      94. Not in the holiday spirit but I love it.

        Should the U.S. pull out of Chicago?

        Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago (221killed in Iraq) AND Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws in the entire U.S.

        The leadership in Illinois – all Democrats.

        President: Barack Hussein Obama

        Senator: Dick Durbin

        House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

        Governor: Pat Quinn

        House leader: Mike Madigan

        Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

        Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

        Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

        State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

        Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% – highest in country.

        A culture of corruption that would make a Louisiana politician blush with envy.

        Can’t blame Republicans; there aren’t any!

        And this culture is gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us?

        Author Unknown

      95. Hope everyone had a good Christmas. AM, what you said in #974149 is very true. My wife told me how those things started happening in Cuba the first year Castro was in power. By the time she escaped from the island in 1967, she already lost half of her family to Castro’s butchers and didn’t even recognize Cuba anymore. BI, I’m with you all the way on what you said in #972051. I won’t follow orders from foreign troops or anyone else. I’m part of the last group of independent thinkers in this country as Daisy referred to 2 articles back. I never had what it takes to be a mindless robot, stooge, etc., whatever you want to call it, and never will. If I have to die fighting these scum in the streets, then so be it. Nina O, i read that same article on DHS insider at stevequayle.com just an hour ago. Very chilling but plausible scenario. i only wonder why the hell the TSA will be the stooges; always thought the gangs/Obama supporters would be the stooges used for any attempt at gun confiscation. Regardless of who the stooges are, they’ll die if they try to take mine. Braveheart

      96. Back at you with the dims on and on the starboard side Okie.

      97. Any white stuff @ home?

        • Snow or seamen?

      98. Way off topic, but I would appreciate any information on Peter Joseph…I personally believe he is a part of the NWO, but my son disagrees with me….and we have had some heated discussions regarding this…..I have done my research and the info regarding him makes me cringe that there are those who are buying into his crap…..want/need more information from anyone who is acquainted with this man’s messages….

        • @FOB … he’s one of the good guys .

          He promotes a physically psychological healthy symbiosis lifestyle with the environment mother earth and your fellow man human society across the world .

          He’s harmless … he’s just trying to enlighten folks to the fact that WE ALL COULD LIVE LONGER HEALTHIER LIVES with just some basic lifestyle changes .

          Watch his videos again … he’s Right !

          ~N.O. ;0P

          • Thank you for your input,Wizard


        • @FOB … he’s one of the good guys .

          He promotes a physically psychological healthy symbiosis lifestyle with the environment mother earth and your fellow man human society across the world .

          He’s harmless … he’s just trying to enlighten folks to the fact that WE ALL COULD LIVE LONGER HEALTHIER LIVES with just some basic lifestyle changes .

          Watch his videos again … he’s Right !

          ~N.O. ;0P

      99. If we go off the fiscal cliff… I refuse to spend money.
        Let it all crash.

        Tax me.
        Fuck you.
        I’ll eat baloney sandwiches all year, not go out to eat, not buy shit…
        Get by…pay down slave debt.

        Enslave me with taxes… THINGS WILL SLOW WAY DOWN!!!

      100. Mac, thank you again for all you do to provide this common site for so many to come to and share ideas. You do a good work. Merry Christmas!


        While ameriKa is dismantled by their own puppet political prostitues and shipped overseas for trillions in profit … CHINA THE NWO RISING DRAGON OF ASIA AND THE WORLD builds top of the line infrastructure nation wide bullet trains as ameriKa crumbles and dies …

        World’s longest high-speed rail line opened in China

        The world’s longest high-speed rail line has been opened in China. The line runs 2,298 kilometers from the country’s capital in the north to Guangzhou in the south of China.

        see link below …

        ~N.O. ;0P

      102. 3 years of ammo sold in 72 hours….did you get yours?

        because i think the plan is to let everyone shoot off what they bought and there is going to be a shortage , designed by TPAB.

        careful how much you use up, until you see if the pipeline is truely getting restocked

        • prices are also going to go thru the roof on it….the new currency

        • Haven’t bought much ammo lately, just as much reloading supplies as I can afford!!!

      103. Restricting what guns can be legally owned by law abiding citizens is like saying “you can use your free speech as long as it’s not against the government.”

      104. *BI*

        MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia’s Black Sea resort of Sochi, which will host the 2014 Winter Olympics, has been hit by a gas pipeline blast and a mild earthquake, a government spokeswoman said on Wednesday.

        Irina Gogoleva, of Russia’s Emergencies Ministry, said no one was hurt and there was no apparent damage to the city’s infrastructure after a 5.3 magnitude earthquake was reported at 0242 local time on Wednesday (2242 GMT on Tuesday).

        • Well than, maybe its time for them to all go, least we remind them of who they are to be representing, and to follow their Oaths

          We dont HAVE to put up with this people..they are not our masters.

      105. ISRAEHELL baby jesus killers IS YOUR ZIONIST MASTER AMERIKA …

        MEET YOUR ZIONIST baby jesus killers ISRAEHELL MASTERS … ameriKas #1 Allie !!! ( WHO LITERALLY OWN THE US FED COMMIE GOV , US SENATE AND US CONGRESS ) who you pay subsidize up to a billion $$$ dollars a year just to exist !!!

        1.) Ped o phil ia rap e of young gentile children babies youbger than 3 is allowed Legal under zionist baby jesus killer law .

        2.) Prostitution of illegal kidnapped sex trade slave gentile women is Legal in IsraeHell . ( it earns more than a billion dollars a year for the israeli gov tax man ) . If your young child or teen is kidnapped look for her or him in Israel sex slave Brothels .

        3.) It’s allowed to beat rob and kill none israeli baby jesus killers … its open hunting season on goyim gentiles . It’s actually encouraged by the baby jesus killers to rob scam them out of money .

        ooh there is lots more … see link below

        ~N.O. ;0P

        • zioncrimefactory . com

          • The site owner at zion crime factory is a guy just aprox. 22yrs old! Yet he has probobly The most comprehensive articles, and he backs every claim or statement in his articles with Solid facts. Has tons of links and named sources etc like no others has!

            BUT Cokocrakerheadpuff…You be lucky if even 1/2 dozen folks here will even read any of it as many seem to reject such facts whenever it regards isreal or jews issues….Alot like the liberal mindset no?

            They seem excited and very open to learn new truths or facts on most all other issues…Except that issue!

            Yesterday who was it?…JohnW? who is usually first up to call several folks here antisemites etc..Yet he posts info showing negtive stuf and names goldman shachs and several Others who got away with Major scams such as NJ’s John Corizine et al….

            How is it he, johnw aint noticed all but One person or org he named IS solid 100% jewsih?!!

            Same goes for antiguners…The bulk of Main antis, heads of various senate or house chairs of committees etc are ALL the same group…Kommie Bolshevik isreal firster zio jews…With Finestien as their head swindler and massive Hypocryte!!!(she paks ccw) along with her “Kailf. Sidekick-aka Babs Boxer(birth name Levy aka jew)…Hmmmm…

            99% folks here keep asking what to do or When to do it etc…Yet 98% refuse to admit what and Who are the real enemys who are destroying america the last 100yrs, based upon Their “Master Race” talmudic teachings.

            Backed by vast majority of wolves in sheeps clothings aka todays Pastors…Recomended: If Your pastor is a 501C tax free IRS controlled “church” or Org…FIND another who Aint!(if ya can that is!! only Two I know of one is Chuck Baldwin in MT state, other is down south area can’t recall now name or state)…

            IRS 501C Tells pastors whats PC and allowed to preach on…Irs gets advice from ADL-SPLC-AJC-and aprox 300+ More jew orgs nationwide…And every single such org of theirs is Pro jew/isreal NOT pro usa!

            They Are the Inventors of Communisim, and are the orig. Bolshevik genocidal Mass Murderers…Now Their Grand kids are Here to do exact same wipeout of whites and christians as done by Their grandparents in Russia 1918.

            David axelrod, hobammys main top advisor his first two yrs in office, now head of other dems libs campaign stuf…And former Klintonite kommie el supremo is the…

            AxelRod= Great Grandson of Trotsky! aka Lev Bronstien!(switched name to Trotsky to hide his true evils!).

            The apple don’t fall far from the tree eh!…WAKEUP!

            Go Look at the Twenty famous most antigun group at that Link I posted above a few posts prior…LOOK AT THEIR EVIL DARK EYES!!!!!….Souless! Zero Light from within!…You can almost read their minds by their “Eyes are the windows to the soul”…..Then explain How can Anyone keep defending such types un american kommie destroyers?

      106. WTF does it matter if I am anti-social? Why should I be forced to like others? I think baby killers are anti-social but they get a title like “pro-choice”. Well I want the choice to ignore others and have no friends if that is what I want. Why should my life be dictated by some leftist douche?

      107. Prepper Hater: I have no problem with anyone stockpiling water and food for their ability to prolong their agonizing but inevitable death should this generation experience the “end of the world”. Unless you have a new planet in your back pocket that is complete with a an oxygen supply, food and water, your efforts to live past the rest of us will be the least enjoyable time spent here on earth.

        NetRanger: No, my least enjoyable time spent here on earth is now having to deal with idiots like you that spew drivel that is likened from an person that has never thought about doing something for yourself. YOu know, people survived on this planet before electricity. …and might I add, I think they were probably very happy and very warm and very well fed. In fact I DO have a planet in my back… YARD! It is big enough to support my own and several other families of which yours will not be one because you’ll be dead before the tomatoes blume, probably due to some kinds of panic induced accident. My most enjoyable time on this earth will be that time when you idiots are not interfering with what I do.

        Prepper Hater: I believe it is the preppers’ need for stockpiling ammunition that is the bizarre twist on these so-called survival skills that is the “killer”. Pardon my pun. You see, if your survival depends on killing others than the world in which you will exist will not be worthy of keeping.

        NetRanger: So, its not the food, its the means to keep you short sighted morons from taking it from us that has gotten under your skin. Hehehe. Thats really funny because, guess what? WE DON’T CARE!!! So, the fact that I carry a gun now and believe that it is a possiblity of being attacked at most any time (though unlikely) the world in which I exist is not worthy of keeping? Well, let me put it this way: YOU’RE NOT HELPING. Your ignorance and hatred helps no one. I think you’re more jealous and/or terrified. I think you wish you could get yourself in a position to do the same thing but you’re either too stupid, too lazy or too afraid. Say please and any one of us will help you. Keep up the ego trip and you can just starve like the rest.

      108. The simple American tradition of “LEAVE ME ALONE” explains the need for my guns and ammo.

        I’ve got food and water and heat. And other stuff that I thought ahead and provided for. If you do not, that is YOUR problem, not mine. You’ve had just as much time and warning to prepare, so there is no excuse for your sadness. (Aesop’s ancient tale of the “Ant and the Grasshopper” might be worth reading right about now.)

        I am not violent by nature and I would never hurt anyone else unnecessarily.

        But if you have come to take from me, then WE have a problem. And I am prepared to meet that problem abruptly, should you choose to ignore the “LEAVE ME ALONE” option.

        Your move, friend.

      109. The economic collapse is why the government wants to confiscate our guns. The government knows it is coming and the government wants our guns so we won’t be able to protect ourselves from a government that will turn into a dictatorship. We will be tightly controlled to the point of slavery and the Constitution will be forever dead.

      110. And don’t forget to keep your land line, a 56K USB modem to access Google and PLENTY OF ROPE! There will be a flood of politician[Z] and bureau[K]rats flooding to the remote rural areas in full ‘drag’ to escape their fate and you’ll want to identify them and their crimes.

        Remember… ravens gotta eat too!

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