The Doom Boom: US Families Increasingly Prepared For “Modern Day Apocalypse”

by | Dec 23, 2014 | Emergency Preparedness | 266 comments

Do you LOVE America?


    From the outside America may seem to be a land of endless optimism and confidence. But, as Sky News reports, an increasing number of Americans seem to think it is danger of falling apart, and they’re preparing for the end. “We’re not talking about folks walking around wearing tin foil on their heads,; we’re not talking about conspiracy theorists. I’m talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military. Normal, everyday people. They can’t necessarily put their finger on it. But there’s something about the uncertainty of our times. They know something isn’t quite right.”

    A now-privately-held ex-nuclear-missile base in Kansas has been turned into luxury “post-apocalyptic refuge for the very rich”



    “It’s an undergorund complex straight out of a bond flick”

    As Sky News reports,

    They call themselves preppers. Mainstream suburban Americans hoarding supplies and weapons while leading otherwise perfectly normal lives.

    [they are] afraid of some impending catastrophe but also what that will do to American society.

    “I think that is what I’m scared of the most,” he told Sky News, “Not the actual events. I’ve already prepared for that. It’s the aftermath, when there are no police, there are no military to protect us, we’re going to be protecting ourselves.”

    The trigger could be a terrorist attack, a monetary collapse, cataclysmic failure in power generation, or a natural disaster. Preppers fear what comes next and have no faith in either their government or human nature.

    “Once people use up all their resources, they’re going to come after the people that prepared and had more resources. So basically we have to take care of ourselves.

    “We’re not talking about folks walking around wearing tin foil on their heads,” Jay tells Sky News. “We’re not talking about conspiracy theorists.

    “I’m talking about professionals: doctors and lawyers and law enforcement and military. Normal, everyday people. They can’t necessarily put their finger on it. But there’s something about the uncertainty of our times. They know something isn’t quite right.”

    Jay is a celebrity in the strange but increasingly mainstream world of preppers, writing prepper books and touring America, speaking at prepper expos where a bewildering range of survival supplies and techniques are on offer.

    But it’s also arguably a sign of a country coping with economic decline. The end of the American Dream has left people more uncertain about their future, and their country’s.

    Katy Bryson is in Jay’s prepper network. Prepping, she says, puts Americans back in charge of their destiny.

    “They’re not in control of whether they lose their job or not but they are in control of whether they are prepared. So I feel like that’s why the industry is just booming right now for preparedness,”Katy added.

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      1. I gotta admit, for the last year something in my gut is telling this old girl to get ready. Not sure for what, but been really getting to be a much better hunter/fisher than I ever was! Like my honey tells me. “You’d better learn this, I might not be here one day and you gotta know this stuff!” So I’m learning.
        Just can’t put my finger on what that gut feeling is though…….

        • Prepper tip for any new gardeners…

          It is not to early to start planning for next years garden. Some tips for new gardeners…

          Four Simple Steps to follow in Gardening

          Planting a garden and producing your own food is one of the most fundamental things you can do to increase your self-reliance.

          “Few things are more frustrating to a new gardener than planting things that don’t grow.”

          1. “Find out what grows well in your area. You need to get the “right plant” in the “right place.” Not everything grows equally well in any climate. And some things will do well when planted at different times in different regions.

          The Farmer’s Almanac site provides a handy chart for when to plant what based on when the last frost is for your area. And the USDA has a map to help you find your hardiness zone. Another resource I like is Burpee. This seed manufacturer lets you enter your zip code and then provides growing advice for each seed type you’re interested in based specifically on where you’re located.

          2. Plant your seeds with adequate room to grow. Plant crowding can stymie growth and lead to low crop yields. Most seeds and starts come with spacing instructions, so follow them.

          3. Soak your seeds overnight before planting. This isn’t required. Your seeds will grow even you don’t soak them. But they’ll grow faster if you do, and you’ll get to enjoy the satisfaction of seeing you work pay off sooner.

          4. Set up a watering system. This can be a daily hand watering routine or an automatic sprinkler set up. Just make sure that your plants are getting adequate water, but be sure not to overwater them.”

          • …i wonder how many you’ve written this tip up on this site. by now it should be a text file in your documents so you can copy/paste it(i’d hope at least…redundancy must get tiresome).

            • I wonder how many contractors will be showing up to these bunkers once the shtf, since these places are the safest ones they know about, and several of the owners probably live far away….

              • the one that shows up with the most toys and willingness to use them, wins.

                • Unless they built some sort of weakness into the system, well, good luck with that.

                  ‘course, most of the bunker-dwellers won’t die from some incursion… they’ll kill each other, eat themselves out of supplies and starve (too afraid to go out, no food left in the pantry), or just go full-on Verrückt.

                  TL;DR – “Bunker” is just a synonym for “mausoleum”.

                  • OQ, long time no hear from. How have you been? Merry Christmas.

                    • Merry Christmas to you too, sir! 🙂

              • JD- The Contractors are supposed to have signed confidentiality agreements, if the owner was smart. But after there is No Rule of law. Its Game on.

                Here is a short list of those who can Blow your OPSEC.
                *Kids – Friends of Kids
                *Yappy spouses
                *Yappy Facebook Users who post photos with shelves of canned goods.
                *Delivery People, UPS, FED-X, – Oh More AMMO? The ORD sticker on the box is a dead giveaway.
                *Repairmen, Cable Guy Looking around.
                *Cleaning People
                *Maintenance people (Included Apartment complex Crew that comes in and replaces the A/C Furnace filter while you are at work and snoops.)
                *Close Friends you thought you could trust,
                *Yappy Family Members
                *Neighbors that watch you.
                *The large Stack of Firewood
                *Raising chickens in the city
                *The Goats in the back yard
                *The naughty neighbor with a drone.
                *Your Grocery store purchasing habits. The 100#Lbs of rice and black beans. (I had a check out guy ask me if I ran a restaurant? I tried to ignore his question, and just said I have lots of things going on.)

                Feel Free to add on to this List.

                • Most of those are easy to hide if you are smart about how you store stuff (well, the chickens in your backyard are going to be noticed by the neighbors…)

                  One thing though: Buying food in bulk is easy – buy it in the next town over (or the other side of the metro area you’re closest to), and pay cash. Done.

                • The ORM-D sticker on a package does not mean ammo specifically. I order supplies online for my business that have corrosive properties or some come in aerosol form and they come shipped with the ORM-D sticker. Yes, ammo is in the ORM-D category, but does not mean ammo is in that box.


                  • You are correct, but I noticed recently in small print below the ORM-D is “small arms cartridges”.

                    Can always get a PO Box or something similar.

                    I ship mine to the company I work for, I started doing this a while back. My explanation to my boss was that I don’t like leaving packages on my door step all day and since someone is always in the office it just made sense.


                    • Just checked a recent delivery. Yes, Small Arms Cartridges is plainly printed on top of the ORM-D box.

                      On the bright side. If they deliver enough of them, they might know not to mess with you.


              • The Destruction Of The Middle Class Is Nearing The Final Stages

                “The events of the past few months seem astounding when taken in all at once. The plan to destroy the U.S. dollar and the American middle class is moving at an ever increasing speed.

                There are three lessons that many people will learn in the coming months. If you do not have it already you may not be able to get it. If you do not have it physically in your hands you do not own it. If you cannot protect it you will not have it for long.”


                • I am reading a bio on Ben Franklin…and is it ever interesting. He noted, somewhere around 1780, that a “middle class” or ‘middlers’, was essential to the country staying afloat. This thought came about as the founding fathers were trying to ‘create’ a government that did not heavily favor the ultra wealthy and the loyalists to the ‘crown’.

              • They’ll have to come outta their hole eventually… That wind turbine will be the first thing to go… Then it’s lights out… Back up batteries are not gonna stay online forever… Strange things happen in the dark.

              • I also wonder how many contractors and those in the trade who help to build these bunkers for others might show up because they know they’re there; they built them. My husband and I couldn’t build one of these on our own. I guess the moral is know your builders…well.

            • Karmageddon says:

              …i wonder how many you’ve written this tip up on this site. by now it should be a text file in your documents so you can copy/paste it(i’d hope at least…redundancy must get tiresome).”


              This is why we are in trouble.

              This idiot has an opinion… and he probably votes.


              • we’re in trouble, because i was telling a redundant poster they were being redundant?

                or maybe we’re in trouble because people like you enjoy redundancy so much it prevents you from thinking about a multitude of other things?

                i mean seriously…how many times do you want to hear about fvcking seeds…you plant them in dirt and water them. wanna learn a few more techniques if it interests you? buy a book, stupid…the internet wont always be around for you keyboard warriors.

                • It’s not redundant for new visitors who have not seen it. New people do come here.

                • @ Karmageddon : If you think just planting some seeds and water them is all it takes, you had better get your ass out there and try it. You are going to wish you were paying attention to that redundancy. You are going to be so screwed. When you say you are doing it right now, try it without sprinklers or commercial fertilizers. IT AINT EASY. I don’t care how green your thumb is. Lif long farmers loose their crops. Loose a crop when TSHTF. You DIE. Good Freaking luck butthole.

                  Also, you must be a lifelong resident of this site. What about all of the newbees?

                  Your ignorance shows calling people stupid.

                  • i can identify all edible plants in my region(thanks to a book) and i can hunt(either by firearms, which i own or by traps/snare that i know how to make) and fish…no need to be wasting my time on collecting and growing seeds…

                    all the power to those who wants to, if they think they can maintain and keep such a location in a worst case scenario to grow some fkn plants lol.

                    and what newbies? all the same ol ass-hats all the time. lol.

                    • Hey Folks…..DDDDDAAAAAMMMMMMNNNN !!!

                      I posted a while back about how I had noticed folks on here seemingly going at each other….More and More and More….
                      We can’t ” Keyboard Commando ” all the Shit that is coming at us at warp speed….Folks are doing EXACTLY what the TPTB want us to do….go for each others throats and do the dirty work for them…

                      Now take a deep breath….There you go !!!

                      This info brought to you by the ” Department of Redundancy Department “.

                      PS….And whoever used the word “Butthole !!! “….I haven’t heard that one since the 60’s !!! LMAO !!! I liked it !!!

                      Now go outside and play….

                    • My advie for you talk to people who have lived though the last depresion. My Grandmother did not see a deer till she was in her 20’s and she lived in the hills of Missouri. Good luck with your hunting

                    • @ Karmageddon : No man is an island. In my opinion,the seeds and such are for later on.I would say at least 6 months. If you can make it as a nomad, good for you. I am sure I can to, but the average person could not. Another concern for at least half of the country would be foraging in the winter. When the top half or better gets covered in snow, they will all be screwed. Unless you are native Eskimo, and still live it, you can not live on just meat. I would like to see how mny nomads can carry around canning jars full of vegies, and equipment to put it together in the spring, summer and fall. READ about it. I too like to read. Your body cannot live without fruits and vegetables. Are you going to carry a lifetime supply of vitamines and mierals?

                      Try taking a couple of weeks off of work, go out in your region, and live it. When you get back, come post about it. I am not saying you can’t do it, but it is harder than most can imagine.

                      As far as newbies are concerened, I was chatting back and forth with one 4 – 6 weeks ago. I myself, have only been on here a year or so.

                      Too many computer geniuses out here now days are going to have a very hard life lesson when TSHTF.

                      Good luck to you and yours, and for the mear mortal, keep on prepping and reading.

                  • I live off grid with solar panels in a straw built cabin back in the woods of N. Idaho.

                    I have goats for milk, bee’s for honey and gardens for food. I’ve stocked up on things like rice, beans, coconut oil and Himalayan Salt. I would suggest people start thinking in terms of sustainable villages because to do all this is a lot of work, especially around harvest time. Preparing food for storage i.e. canning has to all be done when the harvest is ready, no sooner no later. Different things are harvested at different times, so the fall is way busy. Then you have to consider the time resources needed to go out and find, cut, transport and split enough firewood to get you through the winter. Its a lot of work folks. There is a learning curve and if you are not used to hard physical work, it will take you a few seasons to get it together. If you are in a densely populated area, FORGET IT, it won’t matter how much you prep, you’ll be spending most of your time fighting. Good Luck!

            • I’m a prepper and I believe in prepping but I think this battle that is coming our way will be won by the Indigenous people because they are the ones who know the Earth and how to live on it sustainably. We are all just like babes compared to them.

              • Sorry!, I grew up around the indigenous folks and currently live in an area / state where we have lots of them! Most of these folks are on the government welfare program! They’ll be right there with the rest of the beggars & sheep.

          • I recently came across this idea to add to you raised bed KY Mom.

            A self watering system on the cheap.

            Here is the high end version.

            Here is the hippy version using salvaged materials w/ a song…

            This guy in NZ invented it, and also has a worm farm in it.

            • Scout,

              Thank you very much for the raised garden bed links! I hadn’t seen self watering ones before.

              I will show these to my husband. He builds lots of things around the house and yard.

          • KYMom,
            This is indeed sage advice. I’d add a few more tips:

            Order your seeds early! Some popular varities sell out early. If you are new to gardening, don’t overplant. A lot of newbies plant way too much and get overwhelmed with the weeding, watering, etc.

            Also, if you are planning to incorperate gardening/farming into your “survival” plan, start NOW before you need to rely on your garden to eat. This will give you a better idea of what kind of space you will need and what kinds of plants grow well in your area.

            Although buying plants from a big box store can get a new gardener started, don’t be surprised if those plants don’t produce a thing. If your county’s cooperative extension has a yearly plant sale, that would be a better source for plants. Speaking of cooperative extensions, they are good resources for what grows in your area and what pests (soil borne or insect) thrive where you are.

            Hope this helps someone.
            Tarheelbilly somewhere in Zone 7

            • Tarheelbilly,

              Well said! Great advice!

              I would also encourage people to talk with older neighbors who have raised gardens for many years. Many older people have lots of gardening tips and knowledge.

            • I hope this isn’t redundant, but non-GMO seeds are increasingly difficult to find, so don’t wait too long on finding them.

        • While way to many people critique and scoff at us “conspiracy nuts” for prepping, there is always a disconnect in their logic when you point out that they buy car insurance, wear seat belts, and use smoke detectors in their homes.

          I’ve been accused of fear mongering for putting things away for a rainy day, yet when I counter their accusations with their fear mongering of getting hurt on the job or a car wreck or their house burning and the subsequent measures they take to mitigate the fallout of each event, they stand there with a stupid look on their faces.

          • Yeah, what’s worse for me is when you explain all this to them and they seem to get it and actually agree, then watch the years roll by as they do nothing. This is most of my family. At first they scoffed at me, then they started agreeing with me. They would ask questions about this or that and at least pretend they were going to prepare.

            As the months turned into years and years into a decade, they have done nothing but talk a good game. In the backs of their minds they like to think they will just show up at my house. As if I spend all my time preparing extra for them as well. Boy, they’re going to be in for a real shocker if shit ever gets ugly. Joe ain’t got enough extra for all you poseurs in my family.

            • JoeRepublic

              They will show up and want to be the “Boss”.

              • Navy shot down Flight MH370 ???

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                • BJ-Your Article Link: I post my comment at the bottom.
                  ‘U.S. military shot down MH370 because they thought it had been hacked and was about to be used in terror attack’, claims former airline boss

                  *Marc Dugain says U.S. Navy in Indian Ocean attacked the plane
                  *He claims that islanders saw the plane fly close to a U.S. base
                  *Also alleges that a spy told him to back away from his probe into MH370

                  A former airline boss and writer claims the U.S. downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 because the military feared it had been taken over by hackers and was about to be used in a 9/11-style attack.
                  Marc Dugain, the former chief executive of now-defunct Proteus Airlines, said the jumbo jet was shot down near a U.S. military base on the remote island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean after it was hacked.
                  He told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near Diego Garcia told him they saw the missing aircraft flying low.
                  Dugain spoke of a fisherman on a small island who spoke of a ‘huge plane’ in Malaysie Airline’s colours on March 8.

                  Read more:

                  **This is the excuse not the Military wants to claim because they got caught hacking the plane and flew it to the Diego Garcia Military base the US Military stole from the Native Islanders. They US or Israel Hacked into the plane and landed the plane at this base. This is the exact plane that was used over the Ukraine incident where the US and the NWO tried to frame Russia for the shoot down. The research into this planes serial number was located at a hanger in Tel Aviv. So since they got caught the US Now claims they shot it down. Oh so everybody in the world could waste a year looking for it. F-n Liars.

                  • Interesting info guys, but I can’t say it hadn’t ran through my mind once or twice, before now. This just gives more credence to ordering test drives to iron out wrinkles in their false flags—they don’t want another Sandy Hoax or Boston Bombing, where people actually caught them in the details….

                    • If you’ll remember 6, I think a bunch of us (you included) threw these ideas around last Spring when it all happened. If I recall correctly, Hunter and Satori posted a bunch of good info and ideas to us all.

                  • A technical detail about your info, Diego Garcia is a British Territory, leased by U.S. for operations in that part of the Indian Ocean. No one can prepare for Armageddon or dooms day, pretty much means the end of civilization. If everyone wants to be taken more serious than aluminum hat wearing freak, just say Emergency preps. Civil defense, etc. Despite your paranoia there really are many decent people in CERT/FEMA/DHS, it’s the Washington D.C central political leadership that have some issues, but the average first responders and volunteers will be 99% of the people the public will deal with in any emergency. STOP making everyone in the state and local first responders out to be a boogeyman. You would be surprised how much the average Emergency management person and the average pepper have in common.

              • What substance hides beneath the mask
                That mortal once denied?
                Deprive a man of his works
                And shortly he would die

                Like air I struggled
                to the shore
                from somewhere in the deep
                emerging from unconsciousness
                bursting from my sleep

                the seams of this reality
                which is our prison and our scheme
                all fall from a decaying center
                built on hopes and dying dreams

                and providence would tell
                if it had lips to say by night
                what we all know to fear
                and fear to know by daylight

                Obey, obey, this simple command and creed
                Consume, Destroy, live, and die
                what better word for greed?

                If our hearts are the capital
                of the things which we desire
                Say I do declare! Burn that city
                And watch the devil cry.

                You could not grasp
                at the bars
                or the walls
                that are your cage
                if some fool laid it for you
                on this very page.

                We are the monsters and the makers
                we are the masters and the slaves.

                • get a life emo…sheesh…

                  • No.

            • Joe Republic – That’s when your Inlaws become Outlaws. ha.

              You can say sure, if you can come if you either bring 6 months of food, and or 10 Lbs of .999 Silver, or both, depending on your mood that day.

              • Nobody hides for free…

            • SS and JR, I’ve been through the same thing with other people myself. I once even had someone tell me to climb out of the deep end. I don’t even try talking to them anymore. Let them suffer the consequences of their decision.

          • Did you notice how Tyler Durden said “we’re not talking about conspiracy theorists, we’re talking about every day NORMAL people.”

            I would direct Mr Durden to have a read here

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            • TD is quoting a sky news article….

              • ooops, I guess I read too fast….got a lot going on here today. Somehow my car caught on fire today on the inside and no one knows how…..just glad wife and baby were inside the dr’s office and not in the car driving down the road.

                • One of your cigs soldering?… Ford,dodge, GM product?

                  • Remember Dave, I quit smoking and am getting fitter than ever in CrossFit and Krav Maga. I’ll email you the pics….06 Honda. Bad thing is I still owe on it……I bet insurance screws me. I learned something new today. There is cash value and replacement value,……..big difference. I’ll be lucky if I have enough money after loan pay off to have a down payment on anything. And with my amount of travel, I need something very reliable and in good shape, so a 3K drive local to work car would not be a good idea for me. Inusrance person will come and look at it probably on Friday. I think it was an electrical thing with the seat warmer.

                    • BJ, may I suggest finding a lightly used 05 Chevy Classic? I drive all day, every day around Boston. I’ve had mine since 05 and put all but the first 10000 on it. I now have 373,000 miles on it. Reliable as hell. 4 cyl engine still gets over 30 mpg and it’s not bad in the snow either.

          • sterling silver,
            i was raised as a child to prepare for the next season as if it would NOT be good, because you never knew how the year would go, etc etc. they did NOT have the infrastructure in place to bring food from all over the world as they do now, so what i am saying for me this is NOT prepping it is just a normal routine. I have increased what i do keep, but ONLY because NOW there are other factors to consider. Prepping has just become a CLICK word, means nothing more than being prepared for all types of problems! SOMEBODY has just turned it into a mental thing and a way to classify people, just more BS from your friendly neighbor hood govies!! as they try to track us. YUCK!!

            • My friend from West Virginia says the same thing, sort of. He said, “We get annoyed with all these city people saying they are “preppers”. What they’re talking about, we always called “being self-reliant”.

              • NIM , They call it “prepping” because they are city folks , they can prepare , but will never be self reliant in the city .

          • I agree. Speaking about things that make sense to most people seems to break their brain temporarily and creates a zombie like look.

          • I am reminded of an article I read about a year ago. Basically, it said storing food is like putting your money into an account bearing 5% interest, since food inflation is rising at least 5% annually, so the food you stored last year would cost you at least 5% more today.

        • There is a coming apocalypse. We are witnessing the first stages, in everyday life around us. The insanity of people doing evil things to others, and the unconscionable killing/taking of life. The political correctness and worldly way of thinking. As the article here before on SHTF Plan, mentioned; the chaos surrounding the city violence by gangs and forthcoming immigrants, illegal or not, will continue to get worse.

          The insanity of common folks has been taken to a new level. I’m talking about the self-indulgent gratification of overdoing residential Christmas light displays. The epitome of that idiocy is shown by a New York couple that have 602,000 bulbs burning, just so they can make the claim of having the “most” of any residential display. They spend countless hours over months putting up and taking down the darn things. The worst part is handing over thousands of dollars to the, already wealthy, greedy electric utility company.

          Millions upon millions are wasted away by millions of over indulgent and self serving folks each Christmas, for what? I see nothing wrong with having a few lights on a tree or a few bulbs in windows, as a symbolic gesture of lighting the way for the Christ child. The reason for the season is not about being “self-serving” with indulgence of worldly things. It is about sharing love for friends, family, and the less fortunate. I ask, how much good could be done with the millions spent on electric bills, and wiring/bulbs, for all those displays?

          Anyways, the Christmas celebration should be about celebrating Christ’s birthday. Forget about the pagan events that may or may not have transpired ages ago during this time. Remember the wonderful events that took place, that led to the birth of the Saviour.

          Christ was actually born/birthed, around the end of September. However; the biblical account lets us in on the miraculous events that transpired around December 25th, and just prior. The virgin Mary was visited by the Holy Angel Gabriel, and told she would conceive and give birth to the Son of the Highest. Later on, when she knew she had conceived, by the changes in her body, she was excited and went to tell her cousin Elizabeth about the good news. Elizabeth, being six months pregnant with John the Baptist, was equally excited because she had been barren and couldn’t conceive, but God worked a miracle within her also.

          As Mary arrived and went inside her house and spoke to Elizabeth, John, at six months, inside her womb, leaped with Joy at the presence of the Holy Spirit and the new life of Jesus Christ inside her little body. All four celebrated the dawn of a new age for mankind that very hour. Mary, Elizabeth, baby John, and God, thru the Holy Spirit. Imagine the celebrations going on by the angels in the other dimension, that were witnessing those events.

          People have gotten away from the real reason for the Christmas celebration around the day of December 25th. It should be remembered as the first day our Heavenly Father came to dwell among us, through His begotten Son, Jesus, in the flesh.

          In the beginning there was the Word. Christ was that Word.
          John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

          So, on this Christmas Eve, eve; lets be sensible and forget about the extravagance of worldliness/commercialization, during one of the most scared of celebrations. Lets not forget what is coming, but not dwell on the negative, but remember the positive. Just like that day that Mary and Elizabeth celebrated, a “new” dawn that was forthcoming. Yes, there will be some trials and tuff times ahead, even for preppers; but we have much to be grateful for and looking forward to the day when none of the negative stuff matters anymore.

          It is the reason for the season. New beginnings.
          God Bless and Merry Christmas to all my shtf friends.

          • Amen and Merry Christmas!
            People have definitely forgotten the real meaning of Christmas,
            We can not worry about what others chose for themselves,
            We are only responsible for our own lives and actions,
            My sweetheart and I and her family have stopped with the crazy gift frenzy, we spend a bit of time together and enjoy the moment, Life is good and we count the blessings rather than grope for more.
            God bless

          • This is one of my favorite Christmas stories.

            Christmas 1881

            Pa never had much compassion for the lazy or those who squandered their means and then never had enough for the necessities. But for those who were genuinely in need, his heart was as big as all outdoors. It was from him that I learned the greatest joy in life comes from giving, not from receiving.

            It was Christmas Eve 1881. I was fifteen years old and feeling like the world had caved in on me because there just hadn’t been enough money to buy me the rifle that I’d wanted for Christmas. We did the chores early that night for some reason. I just figured Pa wanted a little extra time so we could read in the Bible.

            After supper was over I took my boots off and stretched out in front of the fireplace and waited for Pa to get down the old Bible. I was still feeling sorry for myself and, to be honest, I wasn’t in much of a mood to read Scriptures. But Pa didn’t get the Bible; instead he bundled up again and went outside. I couldn’t figure it out because we had already done all the chores. I didn’t worry about it long though; I was too busy wallowing in self-pity.

            Soon Pa came back in. It was a cold clear night out and there was ice in his beard. “Come on, Matt,” he said. “Bundle up good, it’s cold out tonight.” I was really upset then. Not only wasn’t I getting the rifle for Christmas, now Pa was dragging me out in the cold, and for no earthly reason that I could see. We’d already done all the chores, and I couldn’t think of anything else that needed doing, especially not on a night like this.

            But I knew Pa was not very patient at one dragging one’s feet when he’d told them to do something, so I got up and put my boots back on and got my cap, coat, and mittens. Ma gave me a mysterious smile as I opened the door to leave the house. Something was up, but I didn’t know what.

            Outside, I became even more dismayed. There in front of the house was the work team, already hitched to the big sled. Whatever it was we were going to do wasn’t going to be a short, quick, little job. I could tell. We never hitched up this sled unless we were going to haul a big load.

            Pa was already up on the seat, reins in hand. I reluctantly climbed up beside him. The cold was already biting at me. I wasn’t happy. When I was on, Pa pulled the sled around the house and stopped in front of the woodshed. He got off and I followed. “I think we’ll put on the high sideboards,” he said. “Here, help me.” The high sideboards! It had been a bigger job than I wanted to do with just the low sideboards on, but whatever it was we were going to do would be a lot bigger with the high sideboards on.

            After we had exchanged the sideboards, Pa went into the woodshed and came out with an armload of wood—the wood I’d spent all summer hauling down from the mountain, and then all fall sawing into blocks and splitting. What was he doing? Finally I said something. “Pa,” I asked, “what are you doing?” You been by the Widow Jensen’s lately?” he asked. The Widow Jensen lived about two miles down the road. Her husband had died a year or so before and left her with three children, the oldest being eight. Sure, I’d been by, but so what? “Yeah,” I said, “Why?” “I rode by just today,” Pa said. “Little Jakey was out digging around in the woodpile trying to find a few chips. They’re out of wood, Matt.”

            That was all he said and then he turned and went back into the woodshed for another armload of wood. I followed him. We loaded the sled so high that I began to wonder if the horses would be able to pull it. Finally, Pa called a halt to our loading, then we went to the smoke house and Pa took down a big ham and a side of bacon. He handed them to me and told me to put them in the sled and wait.

            When he returned he was carrying a sack of flour over his right shoulder and a smaller sack of something in his left hand. “What’s in the little sack?” I asked. “Shoes. They’re out of shoes. Little Jakey just had gunnysacks wrapped around his feet when he was out in the woodpile this morning. I got the children a little candy too. It just wouldn’t be Christmas without a little candy.”

            We rode the two miles to Widow Jensen’s pretty much in silence. I tried to think through what Pa was doing. We didn’t have much by worldly standards. Of course, we did have a big woodpile, though most of what was left now was still in the form of logs that I would have to saw into blocks and split before we could use it. We also had meat and flour, so we could spare that, but I knew we didn’t have any money, so why was Pa buying them shoes and candy?

            Really, why was he doing any of this? Widow Jensen had closer neighbors than us; it shouldn’t have been our concern. We came in from the blind side of the Jensen house and unloaded the wood as quietly as possible, and then we took the meat and flour and shoes to the door. We knocked. The door opened a crack and a timid voice said, “Who is it?” “Lucas Miles, Ma’am, and my son, Matt. Could we come in for a bit?”

            Widow Jensen opened the door and let us in. She had a blanket wrapped around her shoulders. The children were wrapped in another and were sitting in front of the fireplace by a very small fire that hardly gave off any heat at all. Widow Jensen fumbled with a match and finally lit the lamp. “We brought you a few things, Ma’am,” Pa said and set down the sack of flour. I put the meat on the table. Then Pa handed her the sack that had the shoes in it.

            She opened it hesitantly and took the shoes out one pair at a time. There was a pair for her and one for each of the children—sturdy shoes, the best, shoes that would last. I watched her carefully. She bit her lower lip to keep it from trembling and then tears filled her eyes and started running down her cheeks. She looked up at Pa like she wanted to say something, but it wouldn’t come out.

            “We brought a load of wood too, Ma’am,” Pa said. He turned to me and said, “Matt, go bring in enough to last awhile. Let’s get that fire up to size and heat this place up.” I wasn’t the same person when I went back out to bring in the wood. I had a big lump in my throat and as much as I hate to admit it, there were tears in my eyes too.

            In my mind I kept seeing those three kids huddled around the fireplace and their mother standing there with tears running down her cheeks with so much gratitude in her heart that she couldn’t speak. My heart swelled within me and a joy that I’d never known before, filled my soul. I had given at Christmas many times before, but never when it had made so much difference. I could see we were literally saving the lives of these people.

            I soon had the fire blazing and everyone’s spirits soared. The kids started giggling when Pa handed them each a piece of candy and Widow Jensen looked on with a smile that probably hadn’t crossed her face for a long time. She finally turned to us. “God bless you,” she said. “I know the Lord has sent you. The children and I have been praying that he would send one of his angels to spare us.”

            In spite of myself, the lump returned to my throat and the tears welled up in my eyes again. I’d never thought of Pa in those exact terms before, but after Widow Jensen mentioned it I could see that it was probably true. I was sure that a better man than Pa had never walked the earth. I started remembering all the times he had gone out of his way for Ma and me, and many others. The list seemed endless as I thought on it.

            Pa insisted that everyone try on the shoes before we left. I was amazed when they all fit and I wondered how he had known what sizes to get. Then I guessed that if he was on an errand for the Lord that the Lord would make sure he got the right sizes.

            Tears were running down Widow Jensen’s face again when we stood up to leave. Pa took each of the kids in his big arms and gave them a hug. They clung to him and didn’t want us to go. I could see that they missed their Pa, and I was glad that I still had mine.

            At the door Pa turned to Widow Jensen and said, “The Mrs. wanted me to invite you and the children over for Christmas dinner tomorrow. The turkey will be more than the three of us can eat, and a man can get cantankerous if he has to eat turkey for too many meals. We’ll be by to get you about eleven. It’ll be nice to have some little ones around again. Matt, here, hasn’t been little for quite a spell.” I was the youngest. My two brothers and two sisters had all married and had moved away. Widow Jensen nodded and said, “Thank you, Brother Miles. I don’t have to say, “‘May the Lord bless you,’ I know for certain that He will.”

            Out on the sled I felt a warmth that came from deep within and I didn’t even notice the cold. When we had gone a ways, Pa turned to me and said, “Matt, I want you to know something. Your ma and me have been tucking a little money away here and there all year so we could buy that rifle for you, but we didn’t have quite enough.

            Then yesterday a man who owed me a little money from years back came by to make things square. Your ma and me were real excited, thinking that now we could get you that rifle, and I started into town this morning to do just that. But on the way I saw little Jakey out scratching in the woodpile with his feet wrapped in those gunnysacks and I knew what I had to do. Son, I spent the money for shoes and a little candy for those children. I hope you understand.”

            I understood, and my eyes became wet with tears again. I understood very well, and I was so glad Pa had done it. Now the rifle seemed very low on my list of priorities. Pa had given me a lot more. He had given me the look on Widow Jensen’s face and the radiant smiles of her three children.

            For the rest of my life, whenever I saw any of the Jensens, or split a block of wood, I remembered, and remembering brought back that same joy I felt riding home beside Pa that night. Pa had given me much more than a rifle that night; he had given me the best Christmas of my life.

            God bless you! Hope you have a Merry Christmas!

            • tl;dr

            • ht tp://

              Beware of govt/leo’s online trying to ensnare you

            • Good afternoon KY Mom, I haven’t had a chance to visit here in a couple of weeks. I’m glad I had some time today. I can’t remember the last time I read that story. It always makes me feel good when I do. Thanks for that.

              I see Mac brought back the thumbs up/down. I like it, although I’m sure some don’t.

              If I don’t have a chance later, I want to wish all of the good people on this site a safe and joyous Christmas!!


              • @Ghost Rider,
                The boy woke up late last night as we were putting one of his gifts (Hanukkah) together, so he got it then instead of tonight. Thanks, he loved the marble run. Truth is, so did I.

                • BJ;
                  Glad he liked it. We play with ours all the time. My wife keeps getting extra parts for it, and then I challenge my kids to try and use every piece by creating their own set up. They love it also.

                  Have a good Hanukkah

                  I’m still working on our Christmas celebration plans, hopefully they go smoothly.


              • For me, the red thumbs serve as a stark reminder, of all the work that has yet to be done.

                • Sixpack,
                  What do you mean?

            • Thanks KY Mom…been awhile since I saw that one…still got a misty eye reading that… have a blessed Christmas! REB

            • The greatest story ever! They got it….we need to get it too…

            • What kind of a pos gives a thumbs down to that story?

            • KM,

              Thanks for the heart warming story. I will plan to read it to the eaglets tonight.

              Merry Christmas to you and your family. Your posts are always appreciated here in the Swamps. May the Good Lord bless and keep you always.

              Louisiana Eagle

            • One of my favorites too.

            • Thanks KY Mom. I’d never heard this before, and it profoundly struck me. I’ve printed it out and plan on reading it to the captive audience of my children this Holy evening (in particular, aimed at the self-centered, present-expecting, video-game addicted 14-year-old…God bless his soul!!).

            • thank you for sharing this and have a blessed christmas

            • I had not read this story before. Thanks for sharing it.

            • Thank, Ky mom. Has been a long time since I read that, but it is a favorite… God bless…

          • Merry Christmas? Bah Humbug!

            Anyone who goes around with Merry Christmas on their lips, should be boiled in their own Plum Pudding.


            • Redneck Christmas Carol

              ‘Twas the Night before Christmas, and all through the shack
              Not a creature was stirrin’, cept the lice on muh back.
              The skoal cans wuz nailed to the screen door with care,
              With hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there.

              The children were sleepin’, all snug in their beds,
              While visions of tractor pulls danced in their heads.
              And Ma in her nightgown all stained with pound cake.
              Had just settled down to watch Ricki Lake.

              When out in the driveway, a loud noise I heard,
              I opened the winder to check muh T-bird.
              I ran to the door, like I’s on a mission,
              But I tripped on some parts from muh granny’s transmission.

              The moon shone outside, the hound dog wuz barkin’.
              Muh daughter weren’t home yet, she wuz still out parkin’.

              When what to muh whiskey blind eyes should I see
              But a Chevy S-10, pulled by eight flyin’ sheep.
              With a fat nasty driver, so disgustin’ and sick
              I said “Shoot Fire!” That must be St. Nick!

              More rapid than X-lax his wooly sheep came
              And he belched and he hollered, and he called ’em by name.

              Now CLIFFORD! Now VERNON! Now LESTER and ENUS!
              On FESTUS! On ELMER! On ROSCOE and CLETUS!

              From the top of the shack to them there garbage bins
              Now Dash Away! Dash Away! Dash Away youins!

              I heard a loud sound on the roof of muh shack.
              Pud down muh beer and went fer muh gun rack.
              He fell through the roof, plum killed my dog,
              I swear that ole’ Santa looked just like Boss Hog.

              He wore a T-shirt, rebel flag on the front,
              And his jeans were all bloody from that morning’s hunt.
              A big nekkid lady tattooed on his arm,
              And he wore black boots that he’d picked up in ‘Nam.

              His eyes, how they glazed from too much Wild Turkey.
              From the side of his mouth hung a stick of beef jerky.
              A scar on his cheek from a fight with the cops.
              The veins on his face looked ready to pop.

              The butt of a Marlboro clung to his lip
              He wore a hip pack full of B-B-Q chips.
              He had a fat face and a hairy beer belly.
              I ain’t seen one that big since muh ex-wife Shelly.

              He was gap-toothed and dumb with an I.Q. of three
              And I laughed cause that redneck was smarter than me.
              A wink of his eye, a fierce shake of his head,
              From his hair came a rat that ran under the bed.

              He reached in his sack, sipped his gin and tonic,
              Then filled the kid’s stockings with Hooked on Phonics.
              His toys came from Big Lots and they weren’t very nice
              But he had lots of them and yuh can’t beat the price.

              He gave us a tape of them hound dogs that sing Jingle Bells.
              Some Crisco, some Spam, some Oatmeal Cream pies,
              And a Nascar T-shirt in Double X size.

              When the presents were gone and he had no more,
              He staggered and stumbled right through muh screen door.

              He hopped in his truck, to his sheep gave an order
              “Hurry up youins! To the Tennessee border!”
              And I heard him cry out, with a strong southern drawl,

              YEE HAWWWW!

              • I have one Anon…

                T’was the night of the Party
                And all thru the town
                Not a cop was stirring
                Not a narc was around.

                The joints were all rolled
                And piled in stacks
                In hopes that we would
                All get stoned to the max.

                We drank Southern Comfort
                And smoked Panama Red
                While visions on incents
                Incented our heads.

                All of a sudden at the door
                There was a knock.
                (knock, knock, knock)
                Someone yelled… It must be the COPS!!!

                But what to our glossy
                Red eyes should appear
                10 pounds of Columbian
                And 12 kegs of beer.

                The man at the door
                Gave us a jolly good smile
                So we invited him in
                To party awhile.

                He sat down in silence
                And started to roll
                So we filled up his mug
                And sparked up a bowl.

                We heard him exclaim
                As he flew through the sky
                Marijuana to all
                And to all a good high….


                • I’m not surprised to see something like that from a crackhead.

          • ht tps://

            And a variant
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            And another view, an interesting one from an ex-satanist
            ht tps://

            And this one is our favorite one. We used this one to explain to our children just why it is we do not celebrate or participate in christmas any longer and why we are to be different than the rest of, or at least the majority of the world……..the gate is narrow.

            ht tps://

            If you only choose to watch one, if any….choose this last one.

            • That last video was a riot. There are too many things wrong there to write about them all. Mr. Rood has no Jewish or Christian religious training except from “The Way,” which is a cult I first heard about in the mid-1970s when it caught up a couple of people I knew. The only thing good about “The Way” was that they advocated living debt free, which was seen as kooky in the 1970s. His corrected calendar is based on occult sources. Santa Claus has only had the red suit during the past 200 years. Before that, it was green or brown or other colors. No one knows what day Nimrod was born on, or any of the other characters Rood mentions. Lists and letters to Santa are a recent inventions of the past 100 years. Saint Nicholas was a real person, and his feast day was originally December 6. The gift-giving, etc. which was associated with his feast day was moved to Christmas.

              There’s a lot more. I wouldn’t rely on him for any accurate information. He’s strung together an interesting story for the little girl, but it’s all a big load.

            • Or just go with what Scripture does or doesn’t say. Jeremiah 10 is good place to start.

          • Great post. You’ve encouraged me and, I’m sure, other Christians, as well. I can add nothing to what you’ve written. I will state that I confess Christ as my God, and the All-Holy Trinity as the one true God. I am not a good Christian, but I trust Christ with my life and my soul.

            Here’s to a new beginning in 2015, A. D.!

            • Figures Nimrod would be in favor of an asherah pole and all the trimmings.

          • @ passinwiththewind : Amen. I agree, but you can get alot of good preps this time of the year, on the cheap too. Never waste an opportunity to get extra supplies cheap, in bulk, and in plain site. Everybody assumes you are buying for others. Good luck, keep prepping, and GOD bless.

        • Sometimes hiding in Plain Sight works just as well. If you want to be the Fort Bunker on the top of a hill you are a target for the masses, that will want to take you over just for the thrill. You will be a prisoner in your own home. People will take pot shots at you daily.

          • Great read on why the bad guys keep winning.

            w w

            Thanks Netranger

        • That “gut feeling” is 4.5% core inflation, 7% inflation on staple items, and 1-2% wage increases (assuming you even have a job, which an astounding number of people don’t at this point).

          For a giggle, do the math out to 2040. Then realize how screwed everyone is.

          • The Halfrican Dictator, in the spirit of Christmas, is giving active duty military a whole 1% this year. YAY!

            • OC- If the Military was paid on their actual successes, they would be owing taxpayers back 25% Bonus this year.

              The US Military is a Total Waste of Good Money for less freedoms and more world hate towards us. The point of diminishing return was $8 Trillion Dollars and 12 Yrs ago.

              Or go back into the 1980’s under Ronny RayGun money waster. $15 Trillion and 25 Yrs ago.

              • oops I meant 35 Yrs ago under Reagan.

              • The US Military is a bargain. They keep the USD, backed by nothing, in demand. That allows us in the USA to live a far higher standard of living than we would under normal means.

                I’m not saying the system is right or ethical or sustainable but it has up until this point worked.

                There is a lot in common with Police Officers on the beat in your city and their behavior and the US Military globally.

                • ” it has up until this point worked.”

                  Actually its still working. For how long is the great question.

        • ““You’d better learn this, I might not be here one day and you gotta know this stuff!” So I’m learning.”

          awww, that really made me feel for ya… as sad as it is to think about, he’s right. and i’m glad you’re one of those people who realizes this and listens to common sense.

          and sure, information is readily available on the net, but none of it matters if you can’t put it into practice because one spends their whole lives, day and night on the computer.

          take any opportunity you can to go out with the hubby, if he’s an outdoorsman. learn some basics on repairing and building things. learn to use a rifle and keep it maintained…no need to learn all sorts of useless knowledge on how to get a big ol farm going and climate and what plants and blah blah blah, but basic survival will help a lot.

          the best ways to learn is by doing it with people who already know what they’re doing and not just only reading about it.

          • now i’m not saying anyone needs to know this stuff…coz who knows, maybe nothing will happen and it’s just paranoia…but it doesn’t hurt to know things you’d like to be able to do to make life a little easier, in case it’s needed.

            not a lot of people are into guns, or are that interested in learning how to maintain them(especially a housewife, no offense to housewives), but if you’re curious, all it takes is asking a hunter or a gun-enthusiast or doing some research on how to do it.

            • A sack of beans, a .22 and a break action single shot 12 gauge loaded to 20 gauge specs – that is, 1 ounce of shot at about 1,100 fps. Exercise, madam, until you can cock the hammer on that shotgun. The .22 is to carry at all times. Don’t leave the house without it.
              Semper Fi

              • Leatherneck, Never leave home without it (the 22) and I’ve got salt cured fat back hanging in the shed to flavor the beans

                • How romantic.. lol And 2 Rescue Candles and a Guitar.

                  • 🙂

              • Leatherneck, just got an email where the Marines have come out with a new exercise for people over 60 and I’m sure it would work for the Ladies too. They say take a five pound potato sack in each hand and hold your arms straight out to your side for one minute, it may be hard at first but after a while it will get easier. Then move up to a 10 pound sack, then 20 and finally a 100 pound sack, when you can do that, then go back to the 5 pound sack and put a potato in each one. Me, I’m up to the 10 pound sack! Trekker Out. Stay In Shape For When the SHTF.

                • Gallon milk jugs work well too, and are highly variable by adding/pouring out water.

              • Leatherneck

                The best thing we can collectively do is to take law abiding people out shooting.

                We still retain at this point enough democratic principals that voting numbers in Local, State and Congress (abet less in Senate) have an influence. Regardless a law abiding family armed next door is an asset.

            • ” not a lot of people are into guns, or are that interested in learning how to maintain them ”

              Their is at least 310,000,000 firearms in the USA, according to the intenet. I just looked it up. Numerous articles on that subject.

              What is your definition of ” not a lot ” ?

              I agree that most folks that own weapons own more than one, but their is only 316,000,000 people in the USA. That makes the ratio practically one to one. That would probably equate to 1/4 to 1/3 at least of the population of the USA own a firearm. Probably closer to half. That means a crap load of people own firearms.

              The problem with all of the geniuses on this site, they are so smart, they think everybody else should be as smart as they are. They have no comprehension or empathy for anybody else. There needs to be a special website for SHTF geniuses. Wow, what a boring site that would be. Evrybody there knows everyhing, nobody would have anything to say. You would not need any red thumbs, no ignorant comments. Nothing to talk about, they all no everything already.

              For all of us that don’t know it all, that are here to converse, learn, and share ideas, good luck and keep prepping.

          • Thanks Karma, I’m learning but have ways a to go and when he’s fixing things around the house I watch closely and he explains it to me! I’m very blessed! Merry Christmas all!



          • Back atcha snake! REB

        • It’s gas. People on here have been saying the same thing for 4 years now. Me included. I give up, this shit may wobble on for another 10 years. Stay prepped however.

        • Funny how Preping is become vogue. Any folks that do know I prep (which is very few OPSEC), and tease me I just smile. Every time we have a major snow event or storm… within the first 12 hours they are calling me or someone on our team. We tell them “we stopped that crazy preping thing a while ago… well good luck and we are praying for you”. At this point with e everything that is going on in this world… folks that are not at least putting back one months’ worth of supplies and a way to defend it will get what they get.

        • My gut says something is going to hit on Christmas Day (terrorism or act of war). I hope and pray that I am wrong, but I came here to share after staying away for so long exactly because that gut feeling is so strong. This was only increased by the news that Sony will release The Interview on Christmas Day after all, at the urging of the US Gov’t.

          • I kind of thought the same thing Sigi even before sony announced their decision. Hope we are wrong.

      2. I do believe more people are waking up.

        from the article…
        “From the outside America may seem to be a land of endless optimism and confidence. But could it be in danger of falling apart?

        An increasing number of Americans seem to think so, and they’re preparing for the end.”

        The sheeple DON’T understand.
        The article closes with this comment…
        “Dangerous weather, terrorist attacks and economic collapses are all best dealt with by higher authorities.”

        “Where there are real dangers, to take an individualistic approach is usually exactly the wrong thing to do. So the kinds of things that the preppers are preparing to protect themselves from are much better handled on a community-wide basis than they are in your own home.”
        Again, -NO!-

        • Ky Mom, I totally agree!

        • Only the weak huddle in masses like stoopid sheep. All waiting for someone else to rescue them from their own fear. Kind of reminds me of Church gatherings on Sundays. lol

          • agreed…i only wish those ass-hats would do like these guys and bury their churches underground…and if there is some type of apocalypse, get trapped below and start panicking over how stupid they were to house themselves in their own grave…

            “shhh shhh baby, god will save us”…huddled in a corner, losing air, scared and dying.

            what an awesome scenario that would be for religious people.

            • When the apocalyptic event comes, and Geezuss doesn’t, the religious psychos will eventually learn the hard way all their time spent praying and worshiping was wasted for nothing, but for them it will be too late.

              • the religious meat-bags keep making up dates for the apocalypse for every one they’ve predicted wrong…so the cycle of stupidity will never end i’m afraid…

                the only way…i repeat…THE ONLY WAY to get rid of religion…is for all non-religious people to commit global genocide on religious people and all documents related to all forms of religion…but that’ll never happen. so we’re pretty much stuck with those loons… 🙁

        • KY Mom, I hope they’re waking up for their own sakes.

      3. Dec, 2014, Murray County, Georgia – A former Georgia judge was found guilty of planting meth in a woman’s car because she accused him of sexual harassment. Bryant Cochran, chief magistrate of Murray County, was forced to resign, and was also found guilty of sexually assaulting one county employee, illegally searching the cell phone of another and tampering with a witness, according to The Atlanta Journal – Constitution. Arresting officers
        later plead guilty to obstruction.

        In August of 2012, Cochran hired someone to plant meth under her car, and then tipped off police about it being in her possession. The first time the police searched her, they couldn’t find anything and the judge personally called the police and told them exactly where to find the drugs. Angela Garmley was pulled over again, and this time they did find drugs and arrested her, however, the case was so weak the charges were dismissed, and the cop (Cochran’s cousin), was arrested.

        • Here is a Scathing Fact that should Just Burn a hole in Justice:

          Article: Just How Much of Big Bank Fines Are Actually Paid and Who Profits?

          Those very same taxpayers may be surprised to learn that in many cases, the Banks are able to deduct from their taxes up to 75% of the fines and settlements made with the Justice Department.

          And the Banksters get little to a small slap on the wrists and move on to the next financial scam. Also FYI – GOP Rand Paul had secret meetings lately with GoldmanSacks.

          Got to line up the hand washers so when the SHTF they protects their money hand washers.

        • Any relation to sgt dale?

          • Doubt it, I think it was your daddy though.

            • No, couldn’t have been him, he wasn’t THAT big of an asshole to be a COP, or a badge sucker like you. And look at all the gutless wonders with your ” thumbs down”! At least I have the balls to post a comment rather than hide in the shadows playing the 12 year old kids Facebook popularity game , and YOU’RE the ones who are going to survive the collapse when the shtf? Yeah, for about a long as it takes a cream puff to melt in the sun!

              • this field has always had an eagle or two watching. but since the leo flares went up recently, this field is a special assignment for a convocation of eagles with an operation. the tab was paid by one of your own in blue.

                consider yourselves warned…good luck to all

              • This web site is training on how to debate post SHTF. What are all you Red Thumb frightened sheep, who call yourself Men going to do, when 5 thieves surround your house. Put your hand out the window and give them a Red Thumbs down? Grow some Balls, Low T’ers. eppe will try to tell them a Joke, then send his teenage daughter out there with a .22 to save himself.

                I would have a whole lot more respect for someone who will step up and debate why they disagree with a post, then just red tag like a sissy and run off like a coward onto the next post.

                The Great Culling will be a turkey shoot. I may have to double my ammo supply.

                • Have you ever thought that some of the shit said by some of the posters is too staastaastupid to give a response to? Much like me responding to this comment.

              • As long as you post under the name anonymous you are in the shadows.

                • braveheart, so you’re saying your real name is the renegade braveheart? Look, everybody posting here uses an alias, what the fuck difference does the moniker make? Of course, you’ll NEVER post a response to this question because you CAN’T, plain and simple.

                  • Anonymous troll, at least I use some kind of moniker and all you come up with is the name anonymous. No, my moniker is NOT my real name. Everyone here uses some type of alias for their own reasons. So why don’t you just move your stupid ass on down the road?

                    • Braveheart, if I understand your logic, it goes something like this: it’s ok for everybody here to use an alias of some kind for whatever reason with the exception of myself because you’re little feelings are easily wounded by my comments. What in the name of God do you hope to achieve by telling anybody to leave this site because you don’t like their comments. You may be 57 years old there bud but you’ve got a lot of growing up left to do yet.

        • And judges are supposedly the epitomy of honesty and integrity in the judicial system? Obviously NOT his judge in particular. Beware of people with law degrees INCLUDING judges.

      4. Personally, I think y’all are working yourselves into a tizzy which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

        • Lets see now. If my ‘fear’ and prepping may lead to a ‘self fulfilling prophecy’, which implies that it comes true, where does that leave you? After all, if it comes true and the fan fills up will you blame me? Or will you be left out in the cold wondering what went wrong?
          Yes there is a lot of fear in the prepping community but it is a healthy fear as it spurs people to action. To take control of ones life is to accept responsibility for themselves and their loved ones on an entirely different level. The choice is yours.

          • @Rareefied – I’m sure you’re also correct in assuming that 200 million people murdered by their own governments throughout the 20th and 21st centuries had all worked themselves “into a tizzy” and because they “prepped and carried guns” in their trunks, they self-fulfilled their own created prophecy of destruction. uh…I don’t think so. They were victims mainly because they had NO foresight into the world around and no way to deal with it. Read about those who prepped for WWII in Europe or those who fled the holocaust BEFORE the event.

            Ignorance spawns victims. Laziness spawns victims. If you keep your head in the sand, you’ll get a boot in your ass.

            • Sterling,I agree,the word you are looking for is “Democide”,more killed by their own govts.’s in 20th century then all wars combined,though see being killed in a war also democide of a sort.

            • from my point of view its just good old common sense to have a little something put aside to keep me and mine fed, safe, and clothed in the event of some unforseen event ocurring,,,
              SHit happens, if that means I look like Im wearing a tin foil hat so be it, dont care what others think, Im staying my course, be it a tsunami, hurricaine, fire, shipping shut down, terrorist strike or world war, I would rather know I have food and protection than be one of the sheep standing in line waiting for the authorities to take care of me….

              • Actually Kula,I look very debonair with a tin foil hat,got rid of mine as friends/family/hell,even pets started to agree with me!That said,would be more then happy to see things get better a remake a new one!

            • You kicked that one through the uprights!

            • ht tps://

              it all gud

          • Everyone needs to stop worrying. I’m sure your trustworthy president will have this all under control. And if tshtf then maybe ask your local police precinct to look after you and make your street safe!?

            • TY:
              Now that was funny!

              • I’m sorry I can be a bit sarcastic sometimes

                • Ty
                  No, No, it fits what is going on with the Zombies and Leaches in the USA today, and for more that 50 years.

                  • Unfortunately we have the same (leeches) within our government(uk) they said their expenses have stopped where they claim money for things like changing a light bulb which cost us the tax payer 1200 quid.But this is lies, it hasn’t stopped it has doubled. Only if I had the choice where my tax payed money goes because I am sick of walking around funny with the government’s fist up me area!

            • Geeze, it was 80 deg here in FL today. I cut up some old pallets with a chain saw, and worked up a little sweat out in the sun. The Icy Cold beer is going down smooth now.

              • who down-votes an icy cold beer after working up a sweat?

                you’d have to be some kind of weird goof to dislike something like that…

        • RS

          Normal Bias.

        • RS , you might be right and we have wasted our time prepping for something that might not happen. Then again we are prepped .

          • I’ve always used what I prepped in the past and refilled as I went along. That means that I’ve had food around to help us those weeks where we had to gut it out until the next pay day. For my family it has already paid off.

        • Woot has a nice start to a bug out bag today.

      5. “prepping” isn’t fear

        it’s merely another form of insurance

        • A lot of preps used no matter what,i.e. food/med supplies ect.(OK,hopefully not the med supplies!).I have fishing/hunting/camping gear that is used along with other items used anyhow,in a crash they are just suddenly more helpful and usable,so,a win-win in that regards.

          • Camping supplies are cheap these days. You can get a 9 person 2 room tent for $200. Like just start stocking up. SportsmansGuide is a good source for all of that. Everything from Cast Iron to Ammo, Night vision, IR, hiking gear.

            • WWTI, I’ve done some business with SportsmansGuide myself. Damn good source of gear.

        • Nyet, to the second question. Look to recent news stories: you prep for a Soviet-style collapse like the Russians do, buying food and durable goods to barter or sell later. However, our situation with infrastructure is far superior than that of the USSR when the collapse occurred. Russia did far better in the 1997-1998 economic collapse because their infrastructure was better than it had been in the Soviet Era. FWIW I was there for both.

      6. They’re a little late to this ain’t they?

      7. Well,tis the holiday season and thus a holiday song,listen to the lyrics,Tull had a view that many forgot the meaning of what to do on the holidays,as evidenced in their holiday songs,this,”Jack Frost And The Hooded Crow”,enjoy!

        • Arghhhh….!I put up the remix,Dammit Warchild!The original a little snappier! ,reaslly makes one think about the holidays and if you really have it so tough!

          • WD


            “Locomotive Breath” Sums the situation of the world just fine.

            • “Locomotive Breath”, “Minstrel in the Gallery”, and “Skating Away”….been playing the sh*t out of those songs lately.
              Pull up the U-tube video of the Tampa Bay (1976) concert where Jethro Tull does “Minstrel in the Gallery”.
              They put on quite a show…..
              Merry Christmas, posters and posterettes.

      8. Is it that people are getting more prepared for what might be coming or are there going to be two classes of people in the USA. The people that can take care of themselves or the Zombies and Leaches.
        Today we have everything we want. Most people have, and know that something is coming and wants to know what and how to do what it takes to survive.
        Then you have folks like us on this site that know what to do, and how to do it. But is nice to learn something new from the great folks here. Then you have the people that have no FRIGGING CLUE! These are the folks that are dragging down the system now and what will cause the system to collapse.
        When you only have two classes you will have a problem. The builders will build and the Zombies and Leaches will want and try to take what they want because the believe they are entitled to it.
        The smart ones will prepare the stupid will try to take. You see I said try to take.

        I have to respectfully disagree with you. The folks I know aren’t working them self up for this they are setting back getting what they need, and keeping the economy up and running. If and when it falls apart. We will eat, drink, be warm, and secure! I really don’t think this is a tizzy. You and Yours have a Merry Christmas.

        • but will the “smart” people be smart enough to keep what’s theirs from people who want to take it?

          with no form of law and protection, even a bunch of stupid, ill-intent people can forcefully take from smart people.

          sure it could work in your favor vs 1 person…but imagine 6-10 people, all armed, pointing guns in your and your family’s face, demanding everything you have, including women or death…no amount of smarts will get you out of that situation except for compliance…but even then, they might kill ya anyways.

          what you should really be afraid of, are smart people who want to take from you.

          • Karm:
            Very good point. Let us hope that along with the Prepping they also get wisdom!

          • Karma.

            Nothing beats Superior Firepower with a few tricks. Think outside the box. Let’s say you can not squeeze off a 70 round drum in less than a minute. You need practice. Or a 30 rd. mag under 30 seconds for that matter.

            • i thought that was thinking outside the box…there are many likely scenarios that could happen in a madmax world…

              and you think the common/average family has superior fire power? or more than one person who can handle fire power?

              yeah, you keep on thinking the 1 man in the family, who has practice with their firearm will stand any chance vs a group of people “waiting in the bush” for ya or catching you off-guard.

              • Karmageddon,

                You’ve just told a lot of people on this site a TRUTH they do NOT want to hear, or even take into consideration. Obviously, as indicated by all the thumbs down chicken stuffers you’ve violated their cozy little scenarios where they can fend off any amount of attackers with their superior fire power and accuracy. The truth you’ve put forth is undeniable, 3/4 people with automatic weapons can NOT fend off a larger group of people who ALSO have weapons for any appreciable length of time, it’s just a hard fact of life that many here refuse to accept.

                • Anon, as long as a few of us have a head on their shoulders, when/if the time comes, at least we’ll have the potential to survive a lot longer…

                  and those who don’t have a head on their shoulders, the less dead weight will be hanging around, and more for us to have/take and keep.


            • How ’bout this: He who shoots fastest, doesn’t necessarily hit his targets the most often…

              • agreed. just need to hide, set off a few diversions to make em waste ammo, until you hear the click click click of an empty gun and then just place one right on their corpse.

                head shots aren’t always the best shots…the upper torso/chest is more of a sure shot, even to someone inexperienced, allowing to get closer and finish em off.

                best way to hunt, imo. for moose and deer, just need to plant one right behind the front legs into the chest and it will either go down right away, or try to run a few yards and collapse.

                if you miss a head shot, they’ll get spooked, run and if you’re lucky to get another shot off, you’ll more than likely just wound it, but lose it…those fkers can go quite a distance on just an injury. wasting a nice animal, that’ll probably die slowly and suffering.

          • I would be at a distance picking off the creeps one by one, till nothing was moving, then go take what I need and bury all their weapons in a hidey hole, in case I needed to resupply later on.

            The Problem with groups is they will always be chit chatting and give away their positions. One person will move stealthy through the woods leaving no foot prints. You can hear people talking a hundred yards away in the woods. Groups will be screwed.

            • unorganized groups sure…but if i wanted to assemble a raid crew(much like a hunting gang), it wouldn’t be with noisy fk-tards.

              and ppl can dislike my comment all they want…but the reality of it is something anyone should prepare for also. ignoring the fact that someone desperate could come after you and your goods, and who have nothing to lose, could end up with you being a pitiful dead pile of rotting and rancid meat.

              expect the unexpected.

          • One word


      9. How’s your water supply? Do you have a supply when the grid is down?

        I have gravity flow system, but I remember reading about a pump that will pump water uphill with no electricity if you have a spring or creek to access. These pumps have been around for well over one hundred years and there are plans to make one yourself out of material you can get at any hardware. They are called hydraulic ram pumps. Here’s a link or you can go to the Homepower website:

        • JRS , Now thats cool .
          Just think of all the inovations of the past that have been lost to technology !
          Lets hope we dont to revert back , it would be tough.

        • JRS – Good info , i downloaded it , still tryin to figure out how i could make it work on my place.

          All this old stuff and its all lost to technology .
          It would suck if we had to rediscover all this knowledge.

          • It would suck for the clueless and the lazy, but not for the innovative and creative.

        • I forwarded this to the hubby. Beats the heck out of digging a well for the VA cottage. Thanks!

      10. Agreed. there will always be a job for those who work. There will not always be a handout, nor a government designed to extract the fruits of our labor and reward the rich. Really, welfare kids will do better than fat cat kids if the system fails.

      11. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink! You can give people information, but you can’t make them think!

        Personally I believe beating our heads against the wall trying to get other people to understand the logic behind prepping is a waste of our time. Some people are meant to survive, some aren’t!

      12. When it falls apart will drink a bit,sobriety out the window,won’t be long for Warchild in the crash.That said,folks opening their thinking and getting on board need help,so,once again feeding 4 for a year on 300,perhaps boring and bland but a good start! ht tp:// ,as always,space in HTTP to avoid moderation wait game,want even one person visiting now waking up to see this immediately!

      13. Yes, Pockylips is coming.

        Even the billionaire oil man, T. Boone Pickens, agrees the world crossed peak oil in 2005.

        Now, as we approach limits to affordable hydrocarbons, there is neither a low enough price to afford a growing economy, nor a high enough price to make most production profitable. Catch 22.

        The world economy is in a deflationary spiral that most likely can no longer be stopped.

        Chaos is coming to all countries and more friction between .gov and it’s enforcers and the public as demand destruction sets in. As costly production is sidelined, demand will catch up with supply. Most likely the price will go up.

        More people will be kicked to the curb as oil field jobs lay off and .gov loses revenue and the bennies evaporate. Continuity of government trumps all. You will be taxed, fined, asset stripped and put out of your home before the .gov minions give up their positions of power.

        Better get out of debt and grow your own food while there is still time. Billions of unfunded liabilities are about to be liquidated. Try not to be one of them.

        • Eh,JR,really nothing more they are getting from me except a trade,mine for a few of their mercenaries lives.

        • Here’s a thought to remember when thinking about all the money creation done by the Central Banks.

          The economy is not a monetary equation…it is an energy equation. Without energy, money is worthless.

          • JRS: “Without energy, money is worthless.” Not true. 🙂

        • Pickens is a dumbass. He also said oil would never get below $100/barrel. Hmmm.

        • JRS: Deflation? Gee, what happened to hyperinflation? 🙂

      14. There was a time where a self sustaining/preparedness life style was not strange….was not looked down upon, but was the status quo. Self sustaining/preparedness life styles are directly responsible for us being here today. Had our ancestors not hunted, fished, stored grain, farmed the land, made there own clothes, etc…we could not have possibly progressed into what we are today. Yes times have changed, and the world seems to be increasingly uncertain. However if we loose sight of, and take for granted all those important skills that ensured our survival, what sort out come could we expect? It is the true nature of a human being to prepare, to refine skills, to re evaluate our situations so that we can better our own lives, and the lives of those around us. For me it is not about my personal survival. It is about the survival of my blood line, my memory. If I live this life style, and raise my children to live and teach this life style, I at the very least have given my blood line a starting point, an upper hand in what ever challenges lie ahead. Those of us in this “community” understand this. Clearly when government agencies such as FEMA offer guidelines/tips to survive emergencies (man made or natural) one can contend even those in power understand they can not and will not be there when crisis strikes. Though we may band together in groups, or opt our for the lone wolf survivalist style we understand that inevitably we must rely on our selves to ensure our security, and our liberty on what ever level matters to us personally. It is not strange, it is obviously wise. Ready your preps, or ready your grave. The choice is yours.

        • Well spoken!

      15. I have been reading this article and some of the responses.
        There are some nice people here that are tying to help. This is good to see. We will need each other when the balloon goes up.
        Now if we can keep this just an exchange of ideas with respect, and keep the sniping off of the sight, it would be a better place to come, to and get info that just might save a life or two.
        It is good that people are waking up the more the merrier, just maybe we can stop the balloon from going up. (Just trying to stay positive!)

      16. What people can not put there finger on is……………..

        (Unrepented and in your face kind.)

        • Sin?

          Living Righteous may get you killed.

          • And you’re getting out of life…………….Alive?

            • No. But not planning to leave early.

      17. The biggest requirement of underground shelters is OPSEC…..and that converted missile silo has NONE.

        I’ve seen that underground complex profiled on Discovery and NatGeo channels. It seems the owners are in desperate need of sales so they sacrificed OPSEC for a Return On Investment.

        Fools gold in my opinion. Easily overtaken.

      18. Same shit, new day…

        • Of course, the govt needs it for their false flag

          • Yeah, a false flag is so necessary when there are many willing bad guys whipped up and ready to go if they get a chance. All the government has to go is, like the bull fighter, step aside.

        • Satori,
          I never have paid to watch schlock like that, and I ain’t starting now. I’d rather have my tongue stapled to Barney Frank’s armpit than watch that shit.

      19. FEMA Warns: 130 Million Without Electricity For YEARS Following Solar Storm

        ““A worst-case scenario by John Kappenman suggests the possibility of catastrophic damage to the U.S. electric grid, leaving millions without power for months to years while damaged major grid components, such as high-power, high-voltage transformers, are slowly replaced,” the 2011 report said. It was prepared by JASON, an elite group of scientists that advises the Pentagon on potential threats to national security.”

        time to take out a little more “insurance”

      20. “A Christmas Carol” with comments.

        First Collector: At this festive time of year, Mr. Scrooge, it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the poor and destitute.

        * We already do with SNAP, EBT and Sec.8 Housing.*

        Ebenezer: Are there no prisons?

        First Collector: Plenty of prisons.

        Ebenezer: And the union workhouses – are they still in operation?

        First Collector: They are. I wish I could say they were not.

        * Not much has changed, has it?*

        Ebenezer: Oh, from what you said at first I was afraid that something had happened to stop them in their useful course. I’m very glad to hear it.

        First Collector: I don’t think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.

        * They eat better than I do.*

        Ebenezer: Why?

        First Collector: Because it is at Christmastime that want is most keenly felt, and abundance rejoices. Now what can I put you down for?

        * How many calls do you get on your phone?*

        Ebenezer: Huh! Nothing!

        Second Collector: You wish to be anonymous?

        * Want to be left alone.*

        Ebenezer: [firmly, but calmly] I wish to be left alone. Since you ask me what I wish sir, that is my answer. I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there.

        First Collector: Many can’t go there.

        Second Collector: And some would rather die.
        Better to decrease the surface population.

        If you read between the lines there is some of Scrooge in all of us, as commented in various forms.

        • “Surplus population”- not surface. And, as was said to Scrooge, who is to say that it is others and not they themselves who are the surplus population?

          • SIGI
            I stand corrected.

      21. To keep things simple as to why I prepare. Every year, it seems, things are getting more and more insane. I cannot recall a year like that of 2014 when so much all over has occurred. Tensions are at an all time high and the rubber band is about to break. That is why I ready myself. As I tell my family, enjoy and appreciate what you get at Christmas this year. For, next year, it may be only a Hug, I love you and better luck next year. Merry Christmas to all and stay safe and keep prepping!

      22. Living in a World with no modern conveniences, no lights, no water NOTHING seems frighteningly closer and closer each day.
        But if one takes a little time and money they can at least prepare somewhat. For example: Did you know you can buy a small swimming pool and cover from Walmart and store thousands of gallons of drinking water in your back yard. Or you could at least buy bulk liquid shipping container (totes), wash them out and store 360 gallons of drinking water (per tote), in a garage, basement, back yard etc. You can also make a whole basement room a Faraday cage. You can see how to build your underground bunker.
        You can see these and other interesting tricks for survival in a world with out power, food, water etc.
        All for FREE from my Ultimate home survival guide
        “I Plan To Survive”.
        FREE at:

        • RE: Grid-Down: I look forward to No Internet Bill, No Cell Phone Bill, No phone solicitors, No Electric Bill, No Credit Card Bills, No Taxes, No Airplane Noise, No More Power Plant Pollution, No More Al Sharpton’s Face Popping up spewing BS. All these kids starting to talk to each other than with their faces in their cell phones texting.

          I look forward to the Birds chirping in the morning, hearing the wind blowing, the romance of the rain dancing on your roof, going to bed when is gets dark at night and up at the crack of dawn. My morning coffee, vacuum packed in Jars a year deep.

          We need to look at grid down as an opportunity for neighborhood farmers markets, sharing food, trading, barter. Getting more exercise, Riding my bikes more, slowing down, and not having to listen to any BS TV, and back to story telling and live music. I would enjoy the lights out at night, with no sky light pollution and seeing all the stars again. And the Milky Way, pointing out the little and Big dipper and finding the north star. Watching shooting stars around a camp fire, and cooking on my cast iron. Using all my animal traps, and snares. Skinning hides,using a hand saw and hand drill.

          I believe there will be turmoil in the beginning for those who have no coping skills or survival skills. After a few months we bury the dead, avoid the sickly, and get back to life. Bring it on, sooner the better.. Nothing to Fear as it is all opportunity out there, for those with skills. Train like it is coming tomorrow. WWTI

      23. This bunker is old news, aired a couple years ago and not a safe bet to survive. Everyone knows where it is–their power and air can be compromised easily. Like rats in a coffee can. They can’t sell any bunkers in it. I wouldn’t be caught in it when things go down.

        I haven’t heard of new rich people prepping when they are spending $3,800 a square foot for beachfront property in Miami to live within 2.6 million people. They are still into accumulation of status, not in any numbers of prepping that I have seen.

        • Woogie there are rich people that are prepping, you just don’t always hear about them. I know of one personally, I just don’t know them personally. He is the CEO of one of the best known charitable organizations. And he is building a very large home on a private road that is many miles off of the highway. This party also owns atleast 3 army tanks which are comletely operative and this is in a very remote part of Wyoming. Is he a prepper? I can’t say for sure! But looks like he will be in a pretty good position to survive a SHTF senario. Trekker Out.

          • A tank would be fun, when everything comes unglued would be a good way to do recon!

            • Ever look at the fuel consumption figures for a tank?

        • according to the video
          all of the floors are sold
          and they are starting construction in another missile silo

      24. After two and a half years, today I paid off the equity loan we used to renovate our house. I could have paid it off quicker, but we were prepping at the same time.

        Debt-free now and forever.

        Merry Christmas to us.

        • AWOG
          Good for you. Stay safe and warm this Christmas and you and yours have a Merry one!

        • AOWG..congrats and merry Christmas !

      25. Silly Earthlings. Don’t you guys know that this planet is an inter-galactic insane asylum? There is no escape. No one ever gets cured. Our punishment is that we have to vote for the nut jobs that run the asylum. Beam me up Scotty! Damn it, Scotty, beam me up! It’s a cook book!

      26. Prophet,tis OK,Warchild has the explosive q-32 space modulator,I am going to blow up the planet earth!I got it from Marvin and his dog!

        • hahaha hehehe giggle

          loved that cartoon.

        • He did it because Earth obstructed his view of Venus.

      27. Excellent article on yet MORE leftist hypocrisy, this time regarding that horrible, evil shooting of those two cops in NY (one was just getting certified as a chaplain, BTW). Mayor Bolshevik Bill and his fellow band of leftist race baiters just got hoisted on their own petard. And yes, the killer was yet another Islamist/Religion of (Human) Pieces, Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley who boasted on Facebook – see – of “striking terror into the hearts of those who oppose Allah” (No doubt, just like the Ft. Hood shooter, it will be “workplace violence” or similar).

        Article is at Wonder how the lamestream media will position it when the radical Muslims come marching in to violently attack the radical homosexual bath houses in SF?

        Best line in article was “…the once-again-vacationing President Obama…” I understand that Obama was so upset by the deaths of these policemen that he bogeyed the next three holes.


        Thumbs up = yes
        Thumbs down = no


        Will the memorandizing of the UNSAT be the tipping point in this country?
        (United Nations Small Arms Treaty)

        • the UN can stuff it, and I dont really care what others do , or how they react to it, all I know is all men are flesh and bone.

          come and take it..feel lucky?

          I signed no treaty with no one..I will not comply nor will I follow the Geneva Convention when it all goes south ..
          my war rules are but 1
          WIN at all costs, but if I die ..I will make my own brass bed to lay upon before I exit

          people we are already at war..its time to Wake T F up!

        • TALON , IF that retarded socialist in the white house uses executive order or memorandum to try and pass that treaty , all hell had better break loose .
          The constitution clearly states that a 2/3 majority in the senate is required , Obama is not a 2/3 majority.

          I really dont think he will go there , he can use plenty of regulations from a multitude of agencies to neuter gun rights , and that is what i think he will do.

        • No, I don’t think that would be the tipping point. I would think it would be when they try to enforce the treaty.

      29. Dayton Ohio today, two guys at a store bought Nike shoes as they were leaving the mall three black teens pulled a gun and demanded the $200 shoes. One of the two men was a ccw permit holder he pulled his gun and shot the one with the gun dead. Did not hear if the two guys were white or black. Dead one was 16 years old. Prep as best you can, Pray as best you can.

        • I’ve heard all those involved were black.

          According to his high school team mates, the dead punk ‘was making the right decisions, and staying cool through life’, whatever that means.

      30. Best way to survive, is to simply get out of the way of whats coming!

        And have a good long oak handled shovel handy, as you will find your salvation and shelter in the earth.


      31. Merry Christmas to all

        Food for thought; #1 If you were moving to a country outside the U.S., you would want to learn the language and customs of the people of said country so that they could relate to you. Right?

        If you are God the Father,(source of all Truth, Beauty, and Life), too holy,vast and powerful for the human brain/mind to comprehend, and you wish to show mankind your love/grace/glory. God would become a human, so mankind could relate to Him. i.e. Jesus Christ

        #2 Thus, when we celebrate Christmas, we celebrate the greatest event in all of history, a million times more important than the fall of Rome, the Moon Landing, the discovery of antibiotics,…combined.

        Happy Birthday little Christ Child, thank you for coming here. Please come back soon.

        • Thanks Sinner, for your post. Merry Christmas!

        • It didn’t work for me no matter how I entered it.

        • put it in manually

          WOW great lot of info in there

          thank you for the link

      32. Crap that link don’t work I had to put it in manually. Its all there I just typed it wrong. Cursed fat fingers. Stupid little cell phone. Please folks this is a gold mine of information. They are free. And they are written by experts. I found some really nasty stuff in some of them. Wanna learn how to immobilize an Abrams wanna learn to fire a stinger. There’s even one in there that describes the door to door search and seizure techniques that will be used against you. How they plan to defeat you phycologically before you stand your ground. This is for real and they know there shit. They have every advantage.

      33. There is definitely something NOT right and it can’t go on forever and thank GOD YHWH HE won’t let it go on much longer! 6000 years and now we are at the dawning of the Seventh, Man has screwed up everything so bad and Satan is coming to his end.

        When the King of Kings returns then our response better not be, “Well, the devil made me do it!”

      34. I’m done prepping for now. Not from a lack of interest or ability; but from a friggin lack of space. 🙂

      35. Has anyone heard anymore trash talking from the North Koreans?

        • Not since their internet went down.

      36. THE LAST OF US

        my god-daughter gave me a broke ps3 a while ago, i finally dug it out of the bottom of my closet an fixed it last month by changing out the hard drive and reloading a whole new ps3 updated software pck.

        all just so i could play this post-apocalyptic ps3 game of the year –

        THE LAST OF US

        i’m now on my second day of playing it And it’s a brutal game. LOVE IT!

        definitely if you are a prepper alpha male AND LIKE BLOWING STUFF UP, this is a great game to play late at night with the lights off when you’ve got time to kill, and need a scary fun distraction from reality.

        check it out guys it’s worth the money now that playstation ps3 and the ps3 games are half price, due to the ps4 coming out last year.


      37. Picked up myself two Christmas presents today. A 10/22 and a Remington 870 12ga. tactical, both are sweet, will go with the others in the bunker.

        MTCFMF!!//RIP America.

        • Copperhead, you’ll love that 10/22. I have the stainless model that I bought way back when they were $125.00 new in the box. I have a lot of the 25-round mags for it and installed a new laser-dot scope on it back in the summer. Best .22LR semiauto rifle ever made.

        • I bought a new 10/22 several months ago and the bolt looked like it was “machined” on a bench grinder. And the trigger assm. was plastic.

          I ended up buying a new KIDD barrel, two stage trigger, and a KIDD bolt. I’ve got $1150.00 into it, but it is nice!

          Now I have 1/2″ groups @ 100 yards.

          These used to be excellent products, but now they are more crude than the worst Chinese “goods”.

          I sent an email to the Ruger Exec about how horrible the bolt was and I told him that I would be happy to send it to him FREE so he could use as a paper weight. No response!

      38. Peppers think if they have all this gear they will be ok when it all goes down I see people in these stores buying preps it’s no secret they are so out of shape or old they could not walk a days walk with just a basic load out with their tender feet all the gear won’t save them not trying to put anyone down but people need to harden up more than all these preps I work on a busy freight dock carrying heavy stuff all day in the cold no heat inside windy inside dirty ya it sucks but I get paid well and top noch medical free not trying to brag but I watch grown men wine and cry like a bunch of sissies they never make the seniority list they just get used up till they quit nobody wants to help them learn anything no more about work but my point is May as we’ll take off the skirt now and learn how to suffer and take the sore backs strained muscles very hot and cold temps cuts bruises broken bones doing chores without machines is slow and tedious and tiresome if you can’t handle it now your not prepared but doomsday peppers don’t show any of that it not the cool weapons or huge food stockpiles or the bunker how many people go camping in their tent only to end up in the car during a storm because their sleeping bag is soaked when they should’ve sucked it up and suffered and learned that it is not gonna be easy not sayin to not have preps heck I got em but I’m expecting hardship and struggle anyway shtf won’t be no make for tv adventure it will be monotonous grind of failures and small victories take a rough job and stick with it you will harden up and get a paycheck just my 2cents

        • Well, I’m disabled, and I plan on avoiding as much of that as I can…the rest, I’ll just deal with as it comes. If I can’t be tough anymore, then I’ll have to settle for smart and determined.

          I’m thinking that there will be more that survive, than DC Comic book superheros…at least I hope so.

        • Ass hat,
          That is why John Mosby, Max Velocity, et al., keep telling people to do more PT. Find a place to go camping, and try it when it’s 100 degrees and again when it’s zero. March with a full ruck. Punch a 70 pound bag until you have callused knuckles. Not everybody on this site can do all that, as you know. If you can’t do those things, use your arms or legs, or both, whatever you have, to do windmills or scissor kicks. Or just walk. Or dance.

          If you live in the country, practice shooting your rifle prone and standing, and practice the high crawl with your rifle turned sideways and cradled in your arms. Then get up and run 30 yards and get on the ground, and repeat ten times. “I’m up! He sees me! I’m down!”

          You’re right about the monotony and discomfort. It will make you want to chew your own foot off. But people need to do as much as they can do. When you can’t do any more, don’t.

      39. It’s a sad day when men are acting like boys what a shame i really wanna slap the guys and ask them if they have vagina

        • They do.

          • They have both, because they’re amorphodite.

      40. Two tips for down the road:
        Cut Shells!
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        Wax Slugs!
        h ps://

        MTCFMF!!//RIP America.

      41. I really have to say this asshat feller and his defeatest talk are starting to bug me not because of what he says there will be many collaborators. But to discourage the elderly or the infirm to just drop to their knees and wait to feel a gun muzzle on the back of their head. BULLSHIT. I recently met a wonderful lady I started to date (best Christmas present from God himself. Through no fault of her own. She has some minor difficulties. She became worried and fearful of her chances. I simply explained that not all were ment to physically fight. But they can make themselves valuable to a group by. knowlede while we fill our heads with ballistics organizing they can fill up with knowledge of medicinal plants they can clean and store equipment as for the elderly they have a life time of hard learned lessons id most certainly take advantage of that as for the passifist and the faithful would it not be comforting to hear stories of old and Scripture for moral guidance. So to the elderly and infirm I say read and study offer your help to a group that can protect you.pray for their safe return from scavenging from battle feed them dress their wounds set their broken bones do all you can to lighten their burden. Light fires say prayer for the fallen and never forget us THE MEEK SHALL INHERATE THE EARTH. WE ALL HAVE VALUE IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME

        • I know what you mean about the defeatist attitudes, or only hulk hogan types, who can bench press a minibus will survive.

          I’m personally not ready to give up, just because I’m not as strong and flexible as I was in my 20’s through 40’s.

          I’m a lot smarter, more experienced and a whole to meaner now.

          God help us all.

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      43. Dear six pack
        I tip my hat to you sir (a leather ball cap not my ass) I’m 43 was raised by my grandparents ol man was a ww2 vet 5 full years (Canadian black watch ) I grew up with great respect for him man was a machine even at 70 out hunt out shoot out work me every time when I was younger I listened intently of the stories the dirty 30s the northern onterio lumber camps etc and mother was just as tough. And both were self sufficient to their last days. My point is they were determined. They did the best they could with what they had.
        Id like to offer some advice if I may? I mentioned in am earlier post about free army manuals in PDF form id encourage you and yours to take advantage. And if you ever find yourself in southern Alberta I would recommend crows nest pass
        that’s where were set up. I pray you and yours will be safe this Christmas season

      44. The dow hit over 18000
        GDP is up
        Bush’s vs Clinton’s once again waiting to save us from ourselves
        unemployment low
        thousands of new jobs
        Happy days are here again

        all is well


      45. “I’m a lot smarter, more experienced and a whole to meaner now”.

        Isn’t Old Age Wonderful?

        There is plenty that will confront the young and the old. Cuts, bruises, sprains, strains, broken bones, crushed digits and toes. Plain old body gut pain.
        Lots of Survival books out there. The Army manuals have good info.
        There are plenty in my age bracket who will die because of the shortage of medications. Some that need refridgeration. They know what is coming but have only prepared to give them hell should they come to their door. Hot, cold, wet and dry are stress risers. Being stinky, sweaty and dirty. Try not taking a bath for 5 days. Then see how much value, clean socks and underwear with a crummy bar of soap is worth.

        Get off the couch people.

      46. I’m not trying to insult people I will try to help people my neibor is elderly I’m not trying to be defeatist it’s just all this will be very hard if you are out of shape we will all have to deal with it god made man Sam colt made them equal so the old and out of shape can survive just sayin day to day chores will be difficult getting water carrying it back firewood working the garden there will be a lot of manual labor to do and most modern folks avoid it the pioneers had nothing when they went west just a wagon some basic tools and guts and determination they knew they had to make it happen or they were dead plus they had to fight off Indians too whatever it takes to make yourself stronger now will help you later haven’t heard a lot of talk of this thats why I mention it

      47. Modern society weakens our self reliance drive up windows for hot food it’s to easy to go this route call somebody to cut grass cleanup leaves make house repairs for I use people to do this if I’m not confident I can do it right but I do most fixes at home myself and save a lot of $ too I suggest build a good workbench get a vise bolt it to it get some basic hand tools hammers screwdrivers vise grips cutting pliers boltcutters tin snips stuff like this a corded drill bits for it stash some 2by4s and sheets of plywood get a large box of exterior wood screws a skill saw I find I can do just about any thing around the house with these dont buy harbor freight stuff it sucks get craftsman or other good makes a good shovel a sledge hammer a pick crowbar I know this stuff takes time to get start with the basics oh 4 mil sheet plastic duct tape i built my own green house wth PVC corrugated roof stor my firewood in it too found the dimensions online if you can read a tape measure use a level and chalk line you can build stuff too built a rabbit hutch too I’m no expert but am handy when shit goes down I will teach others what I know and learn what I can i learned all this from watching my old man and the scout leaders when I was younger these men helped me big time if an older person try’s to teach you something just shut up and listen and say thank you they been there done that I’ve managed to turn my suburban house into a nice little homestead you can too I’m not too skilled a gardening but I talk to older people and they tell me what to do and have been very successful have given so much veggies away not enough jars to can it all that’s fine for now god has blessed me to be able to do all this he deserves the glory my oldest son is lazy I’m trying to motivate him maybe I’m doing it wrong but he don’t even watch me do this stuff I pray he will want to learn to do real stuff not just sit in front of a screen but I don t have much hope this will happen when I’m gone it will be too late take on one small project at a time see it through to the end resist the urge to do too many projects at one time you will get discouraged I too like to take out the guns for an afternoon but now there is a lot to do around the house one mor thing get a generator make it so you can connect it to your houses electrical panel so you can fire your furnace store 3five gallon gas cans in your she’d rotate it twice a year i run my truck low on gas then dump it in there then go refill the cans it’s that simple i always have gas on hand I would not store much more than this but try to keep cars full of gas and I have a siphon I can get the gas out of the car with if I need to found some old gas grill bottles in the trash rusted badly that is ok take me to walmart or anywhere they have the blue rhino and swap them for fresh ones for 20$ they have to take the rusty ones by law I think doesn’t matter they do anyway and store salt our diet is so full of salt we will really need this more than anybody mentions

      48. “They can’t necessarily put their finger on it”….well NO SHIT, because they are brain dead dumbed down COWARD pussies scared shitless of the TRUTH about their ORWELLIAN FASCIST GENOCIDAL POLICE STATE and complete nightmare collapsing shithole they live in, where the dumbed down chemically altered waddling fat ass toxic dump Zombies suck down SUGAR/HFCS loaded chemical filled processed disgusting vile GMO shit food, while the COWARD pussies watch mindless entertainment and violent sports, as their GENOCIDAL collapsing shithole falls further in Stasi Fascist Police State insanity to protect the already doomed collapsing FASCIST FEUDAL SYSTEM nightmare…..Merry Christmas COWARD pussies and welcome to Germany circa 1930’s

      49. It will be the people who you don’t know that will be the threat to your well being. The sheep, sheepdogs and then the wolves. GOOGLE Sarah Hoffmans dream and vision of the end of the U.S. Its something to think about. Her vision is actually what Rev. 6 will look like in the next12-14 months. God Bless, Rex

        • The sheepdogs and wolves bred and now they are one breed

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