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If Everything Is Just Fine, Why Are So Many Really Smart People Forecasting Economic Disaster?

Michael Snyder
November 11th, 2014
Economic Collapse Blog
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The following article has been generously contributed by Michael Snyder, founder of The Economic Collapse Blog and author of The Beginning of the End.

economy-forecastsThe parallels between the false prosperity of 2007 and the false prosperity of 2014 are rather striking.  If we go back and look at the numbers in the fall of 2007, we find that the Dow set an all-time high in October, margin debt on Wall Street had spiked to record levels, the unemployment rate was below 5 percent and Americans were getting ready to spend a record amount of money that Christmas season.  But then the very next year the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression shook the entire planet and everyone wondered why most people never saw it coming.  Well, now a similar pattern is unfolding right before our eyes.  The Dow and the S&P 500 both hit record highs on Monday, margin debt on Wall Street is hovering near record levels, the unemployment rate has ticked down a little bit and Americans are getting ready to spend more than 600 billion dollars this Christmas season.  The truth is that the economy seems pretty stable for the moment, and most people cannot even imagine that an economic collapse is coming.  So why are so many really smart people forecasting economic disaster in the near future?

For example, just consider what the Jerome Levy Forecasting Center is saying.  This is an organization with a tremendous economic forecasting record that goes all the way back to the Great Depression.  In fact, it predicted ahead of time the financial trouble and the recession that would happen in 2008.  Well, now this company is forecasting that there is a 65 percent chance that there will be a global recession by the end of next year…

In 1929, a businessman and economist by the name of Jerome Levy didn’t like what he saw in his analysis of corporate profits. He sold his stocks before the October crash.

Almost eight decades later, the consultancy company that bears his name declared “the next recession will be caused by the deflating housing bubble.” By February 2007, it predicted problems in the subprime-mortgage market would spread “to virtually all financial markets.” In October 2007, it saw imminent recession — the slump began two months later.

The Jerome Levy Forecasting Center, based in Mount Kisco, New York, and run by Jerome’s grandson David, is again more worried than its peers. Its half-dozen analysts attach a 65 percent probability of a worldwide recession forcing a contraction in the U.S. by the end of next year.

Could they be wrong?

It’s certainly possible.

But I wouldn’t bet against them.

John Hussman is another expert that is warning of financial disaster on the horizon.  He believes that we are experiencing a massive stock market bubble right now and that stocks are approximately double the value that they should be

If you look at corporate profits and especially corporate profit margins, they’re one of the most cyclical and mean-reverting series in economics. Right now, we have corporate profits that are close to about 11% of GDP, but if you look at that series you will find that corporate profits as a share of GDP have always dropped back to about 5.5% or below in every single economic cycle including recent decades, including not only the financial crisis but 2002 and every other economic cycle we have been in.

Right now stocks as a multiple of last year’s expected earnings may look only modestly over valued or modestly richly valued. Really if you look at the measures of valuation that are most correlated to the returns that stocks deliver over time say over seven years or over the next 10 years the S&P 500 in our estimation is about double the level of valuation that would give investors a normal rate of return.

Could you imagine the chaos that would ensue if stocks really did drop by 50 percent?

Well, Hussman says that this is precisely what must happen in order for stock prices to return to historical norms…

Right now, like I say, we are looking at stocks that have been pressed to long-term expected returns that are really dismal. But more important than that, in every market cycle that we’ve seen with the mild exception of 2002, we’ve seen stocks price revert back to normal rates of return. In order to get to that point from here, we would have to have equities dropby about half.

If that does happen, it will make the crisis of 2008 look like a Sunday picnic.

Meanwhile, other very prominent thinkers are also warning that an economic nightmare is rapidly approaching.

Economic cycle theorist Martin Armstrong foresees major economic problems in 2015 which will ultimately lead to “civil unrest”  in 2016

It looks more and more like a serious political uprising will erupt by 2016 once the economy turns down. That is the magic ingredient. Turn the economy down and you get civil unrest and revolution.

And of course there are a whole lot of other economic cycle theorists that are forecasting that we are about to experience a massive economic downturn as well.  For much more on this, please see this article andthis article.

What is truly frightening is that we have never even come close to recovering from the last economic crisis.  One poll that was taken just prior to the recent election found that only 28 percent of Americans said that their families were doing better financially.  In addition, here are some more survey numbers about how Americans are feeling about the economy

According to voter exit polls conducted by CNN, 78% said they are worried about the economy, with 69% saying that, in their view, economic conditions are not good. 65% responded that the country is on the wrong track vs. only 31% who believed that it is headed in the right direction.

Even though we are repeating so many of the same patterns that we experienced back in 2007, we are doing so with a fundamentally weaker economy.  The last crisis did a tremendous amount of permanent damage to us.  For an extensive look at this, please see my previous article entitled “12 Charts That Show The Permanent Damage That Has Been Done To The U.S. Economy“.

And there are lots of signs that much of the planet is already entering another major economic slowdown.  In a recent article, Brandon Smith summarized some of these.  He says that we are currently witnessing “the last gasp of the global economy“…

Global exports, and thus consumer demand, are plunging. Germany, the only pillar left to prop up the failing European Union, has experienced a severe decline in exports not seen since 2009.

China, the largest exporter and importer in the world, and Chinese companies, have been caught in a number of instances using fraudulent invoices to artificially inflate their own export numbers, in some cases reporting 50% more exported goods than had actually existed.

China’s manufacturing has also declined for the past five months, exposing the nature of its inflated export stats and indicating a global slowdown.

The Baltic Dry Index, a measure of global shipping rates for raw goods, and thus a measure of demand for shipping, continues to drag along near historic lows.

The U.S. consumer (the only economic asset the U.S. has besides the dollar’s world reserve status), has seen declines in spending as well as wages.

In the meantime, long term jobless Americans continue to fall off welfare rolls by the millions, making unemployment numbers look good, but the overall future picture look terrible as participation rates dissolve into the ether of government statistics.

How is such poverty being hidden? Foodstamps. Plain and simple. Nearly 50 million Americans now subsist on food stamp programs today, and this number shows no signs of dropping. In states like Illinois, two people sign up for food assistance for every citizen that happens to find a job.

From time to time, I get accused of “spreading fear” and of being obsessed with “doom and gloom”.

But that is not the case at all.

I actually want our economy to stay stable for as long as possible.  Many Americans don’t realize this, but even the poorest of us live in luxury compared to much of the rest of the world.  It would be wonderful if we could all live out our lives in peace and quiet and safety.

Unfortunately, it is simply not going to happen.

And it does not take an expert to see what is coming.

Anyone with half a brain should be able to see the economic disaster that is approaching.

There is hope in understanding what is happening and there is hope in getting prepared.  Millions of Americans that are willingly blind to our problems are going to have their lives absolutely destroyed when they get blindsided by the coming crisis.  So please use this brief period of relative stability to get prepared and to warn others.

Once this false bubble of hope runs out, all of our lives are going to dramatically change.


beginning-of-the-end-snyderMichael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.

Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream

If you want to know what things in America are going to look like in a few years read his new book The Beginning of the End.

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  1. eppe says:

    It should crash soon, get prepared, your ducks in a row…

    • WhoWuddsThunkIt. says:

      Yes line the Ducks up, so you can blast 2 or 3 with one shot.

      • laeagle says:

        It is a house of cards waiting for a small puff and all will start collapsing.

        • KY Mom says:

          The condition of most Americans is weak in many areas – spiritually, morally, physically, as well as financially.

          It will probably get worse before it gets better.

          Financial update…

          The Fed Won: America’s 0.1% Are Now Wealthier Than The Bottom 90%

          “In the late 1920s the bottom 90% held just 16% of America’s wealth—considerably less than that held by the top 0.1%, which controlled a quarter of total wealth just before the crash of 1929.

          From the beginning of the Depression until well after the end of the second world war, the middle class’s share of total wealth rose steadily, thanks to collapsing wealth among richer households, broader equity ownership, middle-class income growth and rising rates of home-ownership.

          From the early 1980s, however, these trends have reversed. The top 0.1% (consisting of 160,000 families worth $73m on average) hold 22% of America’s wealth, just shy of the 1929 peak—and almost the same share as the bottom 90% of the population.”

          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-11/fed-won-americas-01-are-now-wealthier-bottom-90

          • OutWest says:

            No ducks left eppe,
            so poor we had to eat them all.

          • The Old Coach says:

            Wealthier ON PAPER. An awful lot of their “wealth” is in real estate, stocks, and other paper whose price (note I did NOT say value) has been grossly inflated.

            Consider Faceplant, the poster-boy for overpriced companies. Stock value is huge, but they do not and probably cannot ever turn a profit. Business model is already showing fatigue cracks.

            High stock prices support many of the big banks. They are manipulating their debt-to-equity ratios by “valuing” stocks (and real estate) at levels which a free market would never support. When the penny drops, and stock buyers wise up, those stock prices will plummet, the banks holding them will be exposed as insolvent, their stock values plummet, und-und-und. I’ve been saying for a while not that this will spread at the speed of Internet, and the implosion will be heard on Jupiter.

            Post collapse, I rather think that the wealth ratio between the 0.1% and the 90% will be a little different.

          • John W. says:

            As soon as the US decided to enter the Global Market and become a complete part of it the middle class was doomed. Who needed well paid Americans when some Chinese or other nations would supply virtual slave labor? What we have now is that no one has the wages to buy anything to save or to invest. Paycheck to paycheck is the new norm. Soon even living like that will be out of reach of millions more. The drive for the cheapest has left most with very little as a result. Now not only have the factories been outsourced but there is now a full assault on the work force using millions of immigrants that will work for far less and will displace the residents from their country.

            • KY Mom says:

              Former Goldman Banker Reveals The Path To The Next Depression And Stock Market Collapse

              “Our political-financial system has gone from the dysfunctional to the failed to the surreal. Speculation, once left to individuals and investors, is now federally sponsored, subsidized and institutionalized.

              When this sham finally buckles and the next shoe falls and rates do eventually rise, the stock market will tank, liquidity will die, and the broader economy will plunge into a worse Depression than before.

              We are not there yet because of these coordinated moves and the political force behind them.

              But we are on a precarious path to that inevitability.”

              Zerohedge

            • JustMe says:

              “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” Thomas Jefferson

          • the renegade braveheart says:

            KY Mom, I have to agree. I don’t see anything getting better until after the reset.

        • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

          hus the term, “Tip of the Iceberg.” When Governments collapse like Dominos, hardly a soul on the Globe will be untouched. Just try to get out of any debt as soon as possible. And why? Because I can see “Debtors Prisons” opening up and chain gangs to provide free prison labor for Corporations to pay your debts back. Humans and Slave Labor will be the “New Currency.”

          • TheGuy says:

            Near metaphysical certitude (to quote that windbag McLaughlin). Near metaphysical certitude that you will see a return to slave labor. Well… ok actually we’re already there in China et al. As the energy resources run out… well. That’s why slaves were “invented” in the first place, right? No energy resources.

      • Kulafarmer says:

        Mine are lined up on the racks in the smoker

    • Navy Vet says:

      To all my fellow vets Happy Veterans Day!!!

      • apache54 says:

        Happy vets day to you as well,
        BUT what is up with all the red thumbs? looks like ALL the TROLLS are on duty today! so to you trolls i say we’ll be seeing YOU soon!!!

      • WTF!

        How in the hell I got fired on Veterans Day is beyond me!

        – Cursed in Iowa

        • anonymous says:

          Omg Iowa….I’m praying. You definitely didn’t need anymore bad shit in your life….

        • Kulafarmer says:

          How the hell did that happen?

          • Ask the owner of Intervive Telesales,

            Rodney Mccoy 319-480-1441

            Got 2 final written warnings today for missing work and fired an hour later. Who the fuck fires a homless vet over nothing, they do.

            • the renegade braveheart says:

              Iowa, I’m sorry to hear about that. That SOB needs to be shot.

            • Atlas says:

              Two more written warnings for missing work and you wonder why you got fired?

              Missing work doesn’t seem like “nothing.”

            • in this economy it is an employers market ,as in you can be fired over anything , as opposed to an employee market where business will put up with anything to retain someone .my company is hiring , speedway llc ,subsidiary of marathon , its not glamorous ,the crap factor is enormous , but if I don’t show up for work ? im gone ! and no disrespect intended ,but ask for an exit interview for possible modification of your actions so you don’t make same error in the future? Einstein said definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expectimg a different result ! I modified my behavior to fit my job and it almost killed me the learning curve was so steep (but from previous military the word was adapt ,persevere,overcome ! for the longest time my goal was to simply have the will to wake up !!then I set another goal and so on and so forth ,I took baby steps for almost 2 years and can now function at least superficially in normal circumstances but I wanted to give up so many times !!!!very most painfull thing ive ever had to do . but I will not slip back into despair !! I made that promise to ME!!and I kept it . and yes im on the internet posting but I keep that honesty in my life with everyone . don’t give up please

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

        NV – Yeah thanks a lot for destroying our freedoms and standing in the world with your perpetual war and aggression. You are either part of the Problem or the Solution. Go ask most anybody else in the entire world what they think about the US Military? Most would say “War Criminals.” So get off your High Horse Jackass.

        • Medic719 says:

          Get real, hahah I cant even respond to this lol. Ask any one in the world and they will say war criminal. I mostly heard thank you and we love America. I suppose that is because I have actually left the country that I heard those things. I don’t agree with war but I never have been called a war criminal by anybody.

        • noname says:

          WWTI- you are despicable. Utterly worthless. An insult to frickin’ humanity. You are a VETERAN of INSULTS. Bend over and pull your head out. Loser.

      • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

        The world needs a few days off from the US Military’s Aggression. Veterans Day reminds me of Christopher Columbus Day, Fraud, Genocide, Aggression, Invasion & Murder.

      • Angry Old White Guy says:

        Navy Vet,

        Thank you for your service.

      • Socrates says:

        Back at ya, Navy Vet!

        qui desiderat pacem, præparet bellum

      • Medic719 says:

        same to you brother.

    • durango kidd says:

      I agree with Eppe. The shit will hit fan before the end of 2015; and massive civil unrest is likely before that. There are several “Black Swan’s” on the near horizon that could Crash the markets including significant Earth Changes and war.

      Israel will not suffer a nuclear armed Iran. Their intelligence isn’t just good, its exceptional. They will know when Iran is ready to go and will hit them with a pre-emptive strike when that moment arrives. the nuclear talks between the USA and Iran and an Agreement is key to that timing. If Iran moves forward with weaponization, they will move forward belly up and Iran will be reduced to rubble.

      Saudi Arabia has acquired short range nuclear capable missiles from China, and has likely procured three or four warheads from Pakistan to use on Iran. They will not allow Iran to become nuclear warhead capable either. There current oil price war is as much against Iran as it is against every other producer.

      I have said since 2010 that SHTF begins in earnest in 2015 when everyone else was screaming that the sky was falling. Its in the archives. Thats the good news and the bad news. 🙂 🙁

      • JoeBlow says:

        Question is, does Israel have the ‘ooomph’ to completely destroy the Iranian locations. This can’t really be accomplished with the forces they have, unless they go nuclear, and I doubt they would do that. I did read a while back that they had gotten some of the most modern bunker busters, tho.

        Wouldn’t surprise me about S.A getting some big boys from Pakistan, along with means of delivery. Meanwhile their dropping the oil price is a true (corrupt) Clinton-esque two-fer: they get to take digs at both Russia as well as Iran. Just hope they are raking in enough $ to cover their own internal bread and circuses game in SA.

        • durango kidd says:

          Israel has the “ooomph”. They have five dolphin class nuclear subs from Germany and another under construction. No doubt Israeli engineers have up graded some characteristics of this sub after their were received from Germany.

          And they have long ranges drones capable of dropping depleted nuclear fuel warheads. A surprise attack after a few EMP cruise missiles and Iran is toast for another 20 years.

          Short Iran. Just saying. 🙂

          • dave in Idaho says:

            Germany only builds Diesel-Electric Subs.

          • JoeBlow says:

            Still, the consensus I have read is that the don’t have the horsepower to get it done. But, I guess as they say, we are living in interesting times! I suppose of those couple frantic anti-Semites on this site (they do have some good points, they just take it past its logical bounds) would be glad to see Israel lose. But then, they also support Nazism, so go figure

        • badpuppydog says:

          Israel isn’t going to do SHIT to Iran…they want AMERICA to do it for them.

          • durango kidd says:

            JB /BPD: Israel can, but doesn’t have to finish the job. Iran would only be able to respond in the Gulf against US interests as they have stated they would, numerous times.

            Then the US would finish the job Israel started. If Iran attacks US assets in Saudi Arabia it would give the King the excuse he needs to use those pakistan nukes on Chinese missiles.

            Either way, Iran is toast. 🙁

      • John W. says:

        Black Swans? Why you always be picking on the blacks? Thas racis I tells ya!

      • eeder says:

        Whaddya think dk.. short the s&p 500 here?

        • durango kidd says:

          eeder: At a moment like this, you should should ask yourself one question: “What would George Soros do?”

          But only if your pockets are as deep. 🙂

          The Sheeple are ALREADY lining up outside of Best Buy to get their preps on Black Friday. Already. LMAO!!! So I think that if nothing unusual happens between now and February 1st, Christmas sales should sustain the economy a bit longer.

          Historically, retail businesses do 70% +/- of their annual sales during the extend Christmas Season. After that, flip a coin. All of the ducks are still in a row. 🙁

      • noname says:

        Dk, thanks for some intelligence here. You make WWTI look like a crusty scab.

    • Medic719 says:

      I suppose I should introduce myself. I am new to posting but not new to the site. I have been reading for a long time. First post was two articles ago. Decided to start posting because I see alot of the same folks and figured I could add some two sense. To bring back from the last article. I am not a hater. I think hate has alot to do with the world that is wrong. The lord says to love thy neighbor, to my understanding he did not specify who that is so until i figure it out I will love all. I am recently seprated from the U.S. Army and love my country. Do not agree with the direction but I am a patriot none the less. Another reason I am staring to post is this site is seeming like a NEO nazi website all of a sudden and that has not been the case for over a year. I suppose that is enough for now. Hello all and Eppe keep the jokes coming I like to tell them to my wife and let her think im funny. 🙂

      • TEST says:

        Nice post, and welcome. Yes, the place is crawling some neo-Nazis, unfortunately. There indeed *are* issues about the disproportionate number of Jews in positions of power, I agree, but this is not open to discussion with these guys. While I try to learn from everyone – I even watched the whole vid series one of them recommended, thegreateststorynevertold, out of intellectual honesty, but debate with them is a one way street. I have just given up reading a couple of them. Like the rest of the internet, I guess you have to pick and choose

        Looking forward to your posts, particularly if you have medical expertise. *If* things go south (let’s hope not, but be prepared if so), expertise from folks like you will be important.

      • Medic719
        You refer to these “haters” in your “second” post at shtfplan, who might you be referring to? Those who hate the US government? Those who hate corrupt politicians? Obama? Those who hate religious fanatics preaching my God is better than your god? Those who hate those in denial? Those who hate those who hate? Those who hate simply because that is their nature?

        And, while we are at it. what is a “NEO Nazi”, in your opinion? Who might some of them be and why do you think that? What do you base your logic on? Theory or direct experience or both?

        Thanks in advance.

        • Medic719 says:

          European American,
          I’m refering to no one is specific. What I am talking about is that you can spend all your time hating Jews, Banks, Government, etc… Or you can prepare for whatever the future holds. I will all of you in on a secret if there is a secret cabal of jew killing mobsters out there. There is not one damn thing you can do about it. Just get your soul and head ready for what lies ahead. Speaking from my personal past life, surviving aint easy.

          • FIrst of all, let’s get something straight. It’s not some “Jewish” cabal many are referring to, it’s the ZIONIST Cabal, many if not most, happen to be Jews…big difference. Very big difference. Please keep that in mind. Otherwise people not in the know start throwing out terms, like “anti-semites”, when they haven’t got a clue what a “Semite” IS, in the first place. THat alone gets tiresome. THis label of “haters’ is what people who still don’t get it use on anyone exposing those ZIonists who want to make hell on earth for anyone who is not part of their tribe. There are volume’s of facts verifying and validating my statement, but most won’t touch it because they can’t handle it.

            Secondly, I think what is happening here at SHTFPlan, is there are growing numbers who see who is responsible for this catastrophic clusterfuck, that we are supposedly preparing for. They also see that this topic, of who is responible, is NEVER is addressed in the articles posted here. Why is that? Other none “Semites” are exposed. Why not those in the Z Tribe? It seems rather biased.

            Lastly, your statement “There is not one damn thing you can do about it” shows what little faith you have in those who are willing to expose the dark under belly of the beast. YOU can’t do a damn thing about it because YOU DON’T WANT TO. That is your business, but don’t lay that on me or anyone else here, please.

            Denial is no longer an excuse for ignoring the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

            • badpuppydog says:

              European…fantasic brother…couldn’t have said it better myself.

            • medic719 says:

              Sure no worries. Just curious is there anti Zionist movement.That you belong to or what is going to change. No offense to you or anyone here but even if you have stumbled upon this secret group, which from my research may exist, how are you going to stop this runaway train. Fight a secret war,post it on the internet. It’s impossible. Just get you stuff together and another thing I would be very careful with the internet that is how you get caught.

      • Mike in Va says:

        Medic

        I am so glad you decided to post. I want to welcome you to this site. I have been complaining about all the hate for awhile now. It is not the answer. We will lose the fight if we cannot love all. We have to have love in order to ban together. Together we stand and apart we fall.

        Welcome my friend.

    • A damaged watch is wrong twice daily. Why are people making predictions that we will have an economic collapse ?

      Easy: They grap attention and then monetize that attention into book sales, news paper articles and conferences. The ones predicting the inverse do the same.

      A similar business model is companies helping couples trying to help boys have a boy or a girls. These companies offer a money back guarantee if the method is not successful.
      ResilientMan.com

  2. WhoWuddsThunkIt. says:

    Well Like any Smart or Attentive People, we pay attention to all news or and negative info that can harm us. Fight or Flight. Its a Huge Derivatives Bubble that will create massive Poop hitting the fan Globally. Look out.

    • KY Mom says:

      This vaccine could harm us.

      Where do they plan to use this vaccine next?

      Tetanus vaccines found spiked with sterilization chemical to carry out race-based genocide against Africans

      “Tetanus vaccines given to millions of young women in Kenya have been confirmed by laboratories to contain a sterilization chemical that causes miscarriages, reports the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association, a pro-vaccine organization.

      A whopping 2.3 million young girls and women are in the process of being given the vaccine, pushed by UNICEF and the World Health Organization.”

      “HCG is a chemical developed by the World Health Organization for sterilization purposes. When injected into the body of a young woman, it causes a pregnancy to be destroyed by the body’s own antibody response to the HCG, resulting in a spontaneous abortion. Its effectiveness lasts for years, causing abortions in women up to three years after the injections.”

      “vaccines are the perfect vector for governments to deviously insert covert chemical or viral agents which are never revealed to the public.”

      “What really raised red flags about this so-called tetanus vaccine was the highly unusual inoculation schedule. This vaccine demanded five shots over two years — a schedule that isn’t used for tetanus.”

      “The only time tetanus vaccine has been given in five doses is when it is used as a carrier in fertility regulating vaccines laced with the pregnancy hormone, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) developed by WHO in 1992.” explained Dr. Ngare.
      -Natural News

      Worldwide humanitarian vaccination projects are for depopulation

      “Just a very few years ago, Bill Gates publicly declared before a live audience that using vaccinations strategically may help reduce the world population by 15 percent. Many claimed it was a slip of tongue, like a verbal typo. The audience and mainstream media apparently ignored it.

      However, actual worldwide events indicate that population control is part or the world vaccination agenda.”
      -Natural news

      on this topic…

      Shows on Netflix, the Ashien provide earth with “vaccines to wipe out disease.” They also discover these vaccines have irreversible side effects.

      Stargate SG-1 Season 4, Episode 4 Title: 2010

      Stargate SG-1 Season 5, Episode 10 Title: 2001

        • durango kidd says:

          I am all for controlling the population of women in third world “Gimme Nation” countries who will not control themselves; and then expect the US Taxpayer to bail them out when the NATURAL means of population control like Ebola or AIDS strikes en mass.

          This vaccine is basically a long term birth control birth with a duration of two to three years. Seems like a good idea and I suspect that many African women would prefer a free shot and an opportunity to prevent unwanted pregnancies on a voluntary basis.

          Look for the silver lining. 🙂

          • JoeBlow says:

            African nations should not be bailed out OR controlled by a de facto police state. IMHO, that is a false dichotomy, and I don’t want either one

            • John W. says:

              Obama will soon have them coming here by the millions. There will be nothing left of the US in five more years and there is nothing we can do about it. The goal is to make the US just as poor as the poorest African nation. Obamas idea of getting even with whitey.

          • hammerhead says:

            Careful DK , Thats a slippery slope yer on….

            I would prefer just to send food aid and nothing more , stay away from everything else.

            • Kulafarmer says:

              How about just allowing natural selection?
              Too many do good folks doing good and it is really having a negative net effect, they couldnt feed themselves so were starving to death, now these organizations keep them fed and alive and breeding! So then what? More food more medical help more intervention and now the population surges at unprecedented levels, they still cant feed themselves nor will they ever. Its sad but mother natures method seems the most sensible, harsh and to many not so Christian but…..

            • The Old Coach says:

              Food aid is one big reason why Africa has such a terrible overpopulation problem. Populations are inevitably limited by food. Human or animal. By our piling in food aid since WW2, the populations are now far beyond the natural carrying capacity of the land.

              ‘nother thought – (agreeing with DK). Women in most of rural Africa (especially Muslim areas) are treated like chattel. A woman has no say in whether to have sex, and whether to bear children. Overt birth control programs have been met with violence. A covert birth control measure may be a blessing for those poor women. Just sayin’

              • durango kidd says:

                I don’t advocate covert birth control. There is such a thing as personal freedom and human rights. But I strongly believe that many, many African woman (and women everywhere) would accept and opt for, a once a year shot for birth control.

                This particular vaccine is illegal because it assumes an authority without permission, but in general, multiple vaccines are given in a single shot.

                And I don’t advocate that either. 🙂

          • ENFP says:

            DK,
            Let it be voluntary then, not hidden in vaccines! TPTB want African resources and consider the black race inferior. So they are depopulating. Don’t be on the wrong side of this.

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            DK:

            I guess you can’t see pure EVIL when it is staring you in the face. Your position on this is sick….and your silver lining comment with your smiley face is disgusting.

            You think this wont be coming to America at some point. And further, I think I saw you claim to be a Christian. How does killing fetus’s fit into your faith?

            • Pissed Off Granny says:

              Oh and BTW DK:

              Wouldn’t want to be accused of not having equal opportunity for all.

              How about castration or vasectomy?

            • durango kidd says:

              POG: As I understand it, this vaccine is essentially a birth control device. Science has long sought to develop a shot or pill that either a man or a woman could take to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

              Taking it should be voluntary and a LOT of women all over the world will want to get it if it is effective for short term “sterilization”. It would be much easier than taking the pill every day.

              As for killing fetus’, that is not what this vaccine does. It prevents fetus’ from forming when the egg and sperm unite. While many believe that life begins at conception.

              I do not.

              If it did, how would you explain perfectly, fully formed , otherwise healthy “babies” that are still born? Man has yet to master the most basic and most mysterious aspect of their duality, when a new life emerges from the “wormhole”.

              I may not know evil when it stares me in the face, Granny, but it is not hard to recognize stupidity. 🙂

              • durango kidd says:

                BTW Granny, should we kill all of the Jews, or just sterilize them??? 🙂

              • Pissed Off Granny says:

                By the way DK: Should we kill all the Muslims or just sterilize them. You called me a racist once; just depends on what your paradigm is doesn’t it DK. Calling people racist is a tactic out of the communist playbook. Care to look up how racist Christ was in your Bible DK; or do you think he was just “stupid” to tell you who your enemies are?

                Just for your info I don’t support Muslims any more than I support your tribe.

                Don’t really care when you “think” life begins, we will leave that to God to judge.

                Nope, cant fix your stupidity, that is for sure. Your post on the vaccine is proof enough of that.

                • durango kidd says:

                  Its not “my tribe” granny. I come from a long line of barbarians, vandals, vikings, and goths; and that’s just on my mother’s side.

                  Daddy’s side is mostly cattle rustlers, highwaymen, bandits, and desperados. 🙂

                  My daddy was a rodeo cowboy. My mother a Cottonboll Queen. I was the prize that gleamed in her eyes in the back of a stretch limousine. 🙂

              • The Old Coach says:

                Granny, how many Jews would your pogrom leave alive, and how would you select them?

        • Nopittypartyhere says:

          KY Mom
          An actual govt document on the subject from 1993…

          http /www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7683889

          • KY Mom says:

            Nopittypartyhere,

            Thank you for the link. They have been working on this for a number of years, just keeping it quiet.

            This is their mindset. They do NOT respect life – even the life of a child. If killing infants is so easy for them, killing “unwanted” adults (such as those who don’t agree and speak up and QUESTION their policies), should be easy.

            John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization is needed to save the planet

            The book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population.
            -Forced abortions
            -Mass sterilization
            -A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens

            Zombie Time dot com

      • The Old Coach says:

        Although this report is being splashed all over the Professional Paranoid Web Community, for once it looks like it is NOT tinfoil hat stuff.

        http://www.matercare.org/news-publications/latest-news/catholic-doctors-speak-tetanus-vaccination-campaign-is-all-about-population-control/

        Interestinger and interestinger, said Alice……

      • Kulafarmer says:

        I hate to be a buzzkill but some of these places could benefit from a few hundred million less fertile people.
        Just sayin

  3. The economy and the markets will find their equilibrium at some point but as long as central banks keep goosing the markets they will continue higher baring some black swan event or war. The problem as I see it is that the longer they manipulate the economy the more painful the adjustment is when it does correct itself.
    Someone on here called for an 18k Dow some years ago. I don’t remember who it was sorry, but I didn’t think it was possible now I think it is not only possible but probable. And I think they are basically getting prepared for when the economy comes down for the well connected to get out early and cash in and let the muppets get slaughtered.

    • talon1776 says:

      M…you are living in a fantasy world. You say “the markets will find there equilibrium at some point along the way” is complete hogwash. To suggest that, is to completely believe that no manipulation is occurring, that the NWO is some kind of boogie man story not to be believed. If you were really paying attention to how this market has risen to its levels, it is this…there is no new revenue being generated in the open market and that corporations are simply buying and selling there own stock …they call that crony capitalism. There are no prosecutions occurring when you can buy a policy maker off. Insider trading is the norm. As long as this is the norm..NO SUCH EQUILIBRIUM WILL EVER OCCUR! Coming here and spouting that there will be so called corrections is a blatant lie.
      The only true equilibrium that will occur is when the locking and loading begins, when we Hang every politician is the Well of the House of Representatives, when parties like the Democratic Party are completely obliterated from the face of the planet, when apologist like you are excoriated publicly for your pie in the sky views.

      Live Free or Die..give me Liberty or give me Death
      Talon1776

      • Talon: I know there is manipulation in every market right now. But I am betting that they cannot continue indefinitely for what ever the reason.

        • talon1776 says:

          M..there aim is destroy markets so that no equilibrium can ever occur…that would make it fair for the rest of us if equilibrium was there goal..we are as close to the end or now in free fall. As long as a financial ruling class runs things as it is being run now..Free Markets and true corrections are over.

          • John W. says:

            As long as the wise guys are still making money the game will go on. When they exit the markets on the long side it is game over for most. They will then make billions more on the downside.

          • The Old Coach says:

            Talon, markets will always exist, whether or not someone tries to destroy the existing structure.

            And markets are always at or near equilibrium, unless they are closed. Now, it’s inescapably true that the equities markets in the developed world today are being massively (and illegally) manipulated, so the equilibrium state today is wildly divergent from what it would be, absent the shenanigans.

  4. Satori says:

    I don’t know that we will ever see an actual CRASH

    I say that because
    the whole thing started coming apart back at the end of 2008
    and here it is 6 years later are still puttering along

    AND

    there is no free market

    the WHOLE financial system is HEAVILY manipulated by Wall Street and the government
    ALL of it

    stocks,bonds,gold silver etc

  5. ridiculous says:

    “…why are so many really smart people…”- sounds like everyone is more intelligent than the writer of the title.

    il say it again. before there is any economic disaster, ww3 will pop off. the “elite” just wont let it happen. its easier for them to shed the peasants blood.
    in my opinion, we should be preparing for ww3. or a huge false flag of some kind.

  6. Stolz Vorfahren says:

    Even with crash the tribal interests would be safe since it is an engineered crash by them. Focus should be to destroy their interests so the rest of people worldwide can live in relative harmony. But blood bath will takes place no matter what.

    • badpuppydog says:

      Stoltz..how DARE you expose the sweet innocent ” tribe ” like that sir. They are just sweethearts trying to love us all to death. Whatever massacre they have planned for us all will be done in the most loving way possible you can bet.

      • SV & bpd…
        There are two kinds of preppers. Those that “get it”; know the reason why they are prepping in the first place, i.e. what distinguishable groups vile and corrupt agenda it is that is incrementally “disarming” them on all levels, and to willing embrace that preparation, accordingly, for that specific reason. And then, we have the other (false) preppers, stuck in their proverbial box, most often because of their religious, dogmatic belief system, who do exactly what their handlers want them to do, i.e. bend over, on command, grab their ankles and say “Stick it right there, ream me good, cause I’m designed to adhere to the doctrine of the “program”…besides, I’m overshadowed by normalcy bias…it fits perfectly into my comfort zone.”

        Better believe denial runs as much in the prepper cult as it does with the mindless masses. These are the preppers that are going to be dangerous. They’ll be fighting to serve the interests of their handlers and they won’t even know it…until it’s too late (for them)! What’s really disconcerting is, many of them live at this site.

        • badpuppydog says:

          European..I couldn’t agree more. There are many people here that get prepping very well..but don’t understand who their real enemies are. Such a shame…they get hammered with the truth and still won’t look into it. It’s hard to admit you have been wrong on things when so much time and energy has been put into listening and believing out right lies.

        • JoeBlow says:

          The religion of atheism – where “religion” is defined as why we are here, where we came from, and where we are going (note: atheism is considered a religion legally in the US) is perhaps the most gullible and “bend-over-and-grab-your-knees-ish. And ultimately, as Dostovski once noted, “If there is no God, **everything** is permissible. Exactly as we see today. That is, if there are no absolutes, by definition, all morality is mere prejudice. Sorry, but every philosopher knows that argument, and has never had any way to wiggle around it (that is why we have existentialist and similar).

          And it certainly is exactly what has put us in this predicament. But who cares about what I say, right? Rather, the people who founded what became the greatest country in the world is moral relevant. So, what did they say?

          -“[T]he propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained.”
          –George Washington, First Inaugural Address, 1789

          – “[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.” –Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749

          “All sober inquirers after truth … have declared that the happiness of man, as well as his dignity, consists in virtue.” –John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

          John Adams, the second U.S. president, said “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

          – “The establishment of civil and religious liberty was the Motive which induced me to the Field.” –George Washington (1783)

          – “The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights.” –George Washington, to the Annual meeting of Quakers, 1789

          – “[E]very man, conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God alone for his religious opinions, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience.” –George Washington, letter to the General Committee of the United Baptist Churches in Virginia, 1789

          – “Let us therefore rely upon the goodness of the Cause, and the aid of the supreme Being, in whose hands Victory is, to animate and encourage us to great and noble Actions.” –George Washington, General Orders, 1776

          • JoeBlow says:

            Yup. Thumbs down on Washington, Adams and a massive amount of other Founders who said similar things (including Jefferson and Franklin).

            Got it.

            • Walt Kowalski says:

              I’d be willing to bet that many of the red thumbs you just got were from the “the only good Jew is a dead Jew” bunch.

              The Jew hating is nothing new. It’s been going on since the birth of Isaac.

              And the author of it made his presence known in the Garden of Eden.

              J.K. Chesterton said, “When a man stops believing in God he doesn’t then believe in nothing, he believes anything.”

              The Atheist and the Jew Hater are a match made in hell.

        • Stolz Vorfahren says:

          EA….Very true indeed. Glenn Beck and his viewers are the prime example.

          • WhoWuddaThunkIt says:

            Yeah My lucky 8-Ball says…….

          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            Yes, first came support for McCain, then Romney, and now Cruz.

            First came apologies that McStain really wasn’t the hero Beck was expecting, Romney is pretty high on Becks shit list now, and he will find himself in the position of Pied Piper as he leads his followers to cruise down the Cruz path. Cruzs’ connection to Goldman Sachs should give pause to anyone supporting him.

            • durango kidd says:

              Cruz is opposed to net neutrality, meaning that those who can afford to pay for the “fast lane” should have priority over the rest of US.

              Seems like unequal access to me, for a project that was paid for and developed by taxpayer money. Can you say, “separate and unequal”? 🙁

        • hammerhead says:

          EA , Since when does “preparedness” have anything to do with Handlers,Tribes and religion ?
          I thought preparedness was just that , prepared.
          Guess theres alot to it that gramps didnt tell me.

          • Do you know why you are “preparing”, hammerhead? Do you think this “situation” that those, the ones that are somewhat aware, find themselves now “prepping” for, just happened to be doing it because of someone else’s poor planning…an accident… a coincidence?

            We’re all entitled, you and your gramps, to our opinion on why we find ourselves teetering on the precipice. Some people just don’t care how it happened. Some people are too narcissistically busy to be concerned. Some people have an inkling but certain religious beliefs don’t allow them to think outside that self inflicted box. Some people just don’t want to know.

            And then there is a small, select, holistic group who see the writing on the wall and want to know who wrote it. They figure if things are going to hell in a handbasket, not only do they want to prepare themselves for the category 5 storm building on the horizon, they also want to know what the intent and motive was by those who deliberately, intentionally had an agenda for creating this clusterfuck in the first place. These (holistic)”preppers” might think to themselves, if one knows who is behind this, then one might be able to circumnavigate thorough the war zone if one knows their tactics, strategies, mindset.

            If one better understands who and what the enemy is, then one might be better prepared for what is coming. Make sense? I would think your gramps would hear that loud and clear. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the tribe’s intent is strictly self serving, which means you and I, and everyone else on this site are expendable (to further their agenda). If you can’t see that then you just enjoy the view, while you can.

            • hammerhead says:

              I have read soooo much shit about the “tribe” that my head hurts , and still aint buyin in to the blame game.
              I think it is alot closer to home , DC , and no further.

              I prep because i aint got a steady paycheck and ya just never know what lies ahead.
              So yup , i know why i prep.
              But not for fear of shadow figures hiding behind hidden doors .
              The US government has its head so far up the UN’s ass tryin to push socialism down our throats , thats enough for me , dont need another boogieman .

              • So, you’ve connected some dots. And from your comment, you seem to believe that the hub of those dots connects you to DC.

                So, who is the biggest influential lobbying group, in the history of lobbying groups in DC and Why are they so influential?

                Why is it, when this foreign lobbying group whispers “frog”, almost ALL American politicians “jump”?

                Why oh why oh why?

                And if you don’t need another boogieman, why? Too many for your hurting head?

                Let’s just say, hypothetically, if one connects a few more dots than DC, and the bigger picture points directly to THE TRIBE, then what? is that enough for you? And what does this “enough” mean, to you?

                Moreover, what if this fact that you “ain’t got a steady paycheck” is a direct result of how the “tribe” deliberately manipulates behind the scene so YOU are at THEIR mercy…a slave to a system that they put in place way back in 1913? Would that not matter to you? or are you comfortable just getting by, living month to month under their direct control?

              • PS If you think the UN has some kind of power unto themselves then you need to do some more dot connecting. The Tribe OWNS the UN, just as it owns (and has infected) DC.

          • dave in Idaho says:

            @ Hammerhead… Agree. Mac provided a great site for exchanging preparedness info…Its all gone to shit. I has been highjack by assholes who have to inject religion into every post. This site will be gone in a year or less, unless Mac gets control of things. We have lost 4 or 5 top posters here and soon more will leave.

            • hammerhead says:

              With ya DAVE , its gettin old………
              Not given up just yet.
              We’ll wait till Obama and his “net neutrality” bullshit slow my conection down to a crawl.

              As if it aint slow already.

            • The site will not be gone in a year. The site has been here long before you and most of the others came. 6 or 7 (8, 9 10?) years or more years. Seen many come and many go. People will always be posting if it’s free and their ego can express itself, unabated.

              ANd what is a “top poster”? Someone who posts allot? Someone who gets lots of thumbs up(s)? Someone who shares their bible stories or jokes? And regarding “religion”…? This site is based on religious, holier than thou, assholes, spewing the scriptures as if they are the chosen ones. “It’s a private club and if you don’t believe in the dogma, well then, we know what happens to your soul!”

              No, you’ll probably be gone, but the assholes, the religion, the “top posters”, ad nauseam, will live on and on and on.

              You should have been here when the shit really hit the fan, years ago. LOL. This is mild…tame shit. Mac probably just raises an eyebrow, shakes his head and laughs now, while he looks for the next topic to excite and push the buttons of the frenzied natives who are foaming at the mouth while chomping on the bit for the “overdue” apocalypse, followed by the heavenly descent into debtors prison.

              • TEST says:

                This site is based on religious, holier than thou, assholes, spewing the scriptures as if they are the chosen ones. “It’s a private club and if you don’t believe in the dogma, well then, we know what happens to your soul!”

                Funny, that is exactly what the socialists, communists and yes, secular folks trying to tell us everything we should do and think push on us, spewing their **politically correct* dogma, speech and thought police, and then of course various forms of leftists MURDERED at least 100 mm last century (Courtois, et al, Black Book of Communism, Oxford U Press) or up to perhaps 160 mm, per Dr. RJ Rummel. In fact, the leftist RELIGION probaby has murdered more people than all other wars, ethnic cleansings, pogroms, etc during the entire history of the world.

                Oh, and speaking of the religion of the left and their fascist dogma, my top vote getter is the leftist/atheist hero Herbert Marcuse, who popularized the “repressive tolerance” theory of modern progressives. “Liberating tolerance would mean intolerance against movements from the right and toleration of movements from the left,” Marcuse pontificated. “Certain things cannot be said, certain ideas cannot be expressed, certain policies cannot be proposed.” Just brilliant.

              • The Old Coach says:

                I would not say the site is “based on”…..more like infested with.

      • Stolz Vorfahren says:

        BPD….Oh well….NGO or Discovery had a documentary about the last tribe in New Guinea being in total isolation from any modernity and civilization to the extend that they used to hunt their enemies and eat them. Once they were explored by a team of scientist and were introduce to minimal civilization they stopped their savagery and started to raise farms and cattle instead of eating human flash and blood.

        Guess those scientists were idiots since they missed the real Tribe.

      • John W. says:

        The morons reason for everything. Blame the Joos. Morons.

  7. Sinner says:

    Who are these “really smart people”? Hell, they haven’t been right yet! (Thank the good Lord)

    On my SHTF meter:
    #1. Hillary getting elected President in 2016 (Oh the horror!)
    #2. Mad Vlad invades Estonia or Poland and starts WW3
    #3. Economic collapse
    #4. The price of George Dickel #12 goes up to $30 a bottle. (sarcasm)

  8. OT:
    I read an interesting article that was hotlinked from the comments section on zero hedge about the rise of Putin and why the west is so pissed at him.

    http://www.storyleak.com/putin-defies-the-west-leads-brics-alliance-away-from-nwo-reservation/#ixzz3IRaVfb9T

  9. badpuppydog says:

    It’s been about to ” crash ” for how many years now? Chaos may not come in the form of a ” crash ” that could be years away. It could come in the form of a ” mega chimp-out ” that may come any day now. Or some kind of mega terror attack….or some crazy natural disaster. These bankers could just keep printing money from now on to prop it up as they have been doing for years. I think something has to push the “crash ” for it to happen rather than it just crashing on it’s own…a ” black swan ” if you will. I do think we may see that ” black swan ” any day now and THAT my friends is what will cause the ” crash .” I don’t think it will collapse on it’s on accord. The economy is basically a giant rock sitting at the edge of a cliff…it won’t roll off that cliff all by itself…BUT something COULD push it over that cliff.

  10. the renegade braveheart says:

    Leave it to the MSM to mislead everyone about the economy or anything else. On the surface it may look OK, but right underneath people like us know it’s deteriorating and will eventually crash. We just don’t know when. So I just continue prepping and I hope everyone else is here also.

    • Jim in Va. says:

      Massive thumbs down today on everybody…..somebody playing games?

      • Ghost Rider says:

        Hey Jim, I was getting ready to post the same thing. I have never seen this many so soon after an article was posted.

        the thumb brigade is in full force

        GR

        • ENFP says:

          Re all the red thumbs for posts that aren’t even bad, maybe they should not be hidden. The red thumb brigade would probably get bored if they stopped having any effect.

          • ready down under says:

            ENFP – was thinking the same? Don’t hide any comments and see if that helps. Also, I’m thinking one or two people have worked out how easy it is to multiple vote and are getting their kicks giving some posters green AND red thumbs – enough to take it past hot debate and get hidden.

            Aussie

            • durango kidd says:

              I don’t mind the red thumbs, or the green ones. It helps the gooberment who wants to know what the masses think about a particular question or subject and the Cyber Squad is listening.

              Tell them. Give them an earful. And in no uncertain terms.

              Death to the New World Order!!! Death to the North American Union!!! Death to traitors!!! Its totally Constitutional!!! 🙂

  11. JoeBlow says:

    More good news from the hopey-changey crew, and its Detroitization of the whole country: As of last report, August 2014 there were 46,484,828 beneficiaries of the SNAP program. Cited from http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/food-stamp-recipients-top-46-million-36th-straight-month

    EXTRA CREDIT
    Like the Nixon administration before it, President Barack Obama’s White House apparently keeps — or at least at one time kept — an enemies list. As just one example, the leftist New Republic, says Valerie Jarrett has what writer Noam Scheiber cal an enemies list — or as he termed it, “a shit list.” Story at http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/10/liberal-mag-white-house-keeps-an-enemies-list/ or original at http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120170/valerie-jarrett-obama-whisperer
    Meanwhile, for our ever-classy limousine liberals in the Ivy League, and their “stay classy” approach: When Rick Perry went the Dartmouth to discuss midterms, border security, energy initiatives and foreign policy. There was a Q&A session with the students. Here’s a few from our ever corrupt leftist Dartmouth (tuition of $41,736 for 2012) students: Emily Sellers ’15 asked if Perry would have anal sex in exchange for campaign contributions of $102 million, while Timothy Messen ’18 accused the governor of comparing homosexuality to alcoholism. (if this Einstein had any intelligence, that would mean Perry supported a genetic component to homosexuality, but I guess he isn’t… well… Ivy League material. Ben Packer ’17, who wrote and distributed these and other questions, said Perry’s views were more insulting than the questions. Right, Ben. Nice way to have an intellectual discussion about issues. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2014/11/10/stay-classy-liberals-gov-rick-perry-gets-anal-sex-questions-at-dartmouth-n1916902 or http://joemiller.us/2014/11/stay-classy-liberals-gov-rick-perry-gets-anal-sex-questions-dartmouth/#ixzz3ImgKieTG

  12. HumbleAmerican says:

    The facts are always in the numbers, the powers that be do not want to payout those retirement funds. So a timely crash works great. You think they are going to give back the workers hard earned money, I think not. Not to mention you have a huge education bubble. There has to be a reset, and it has to happen soon.

    Indeed, in a 2013 report, the Social Security Administration said that the wave of baby boom retirements was a significant problem for the agency itself: “By 2015, almost 33 percent of our workforce, including 48 percent of our supervisors, will be eligible to retire. In FY [fiscal year] 2011, we lost over 4,000 employees due to retirement and other reasons. We expect this trend to continue. During this same timeframe, the baby boomer retirement wave continues to have a significant effect on our workloads.”

    Why Baby Boomers Will Have a Troubled Retirement

    “Given rising life expectancies, the peak years of Boomer harvesting will be 2015-2035 or so, which means that a huge level of withdrawals are anticipated for this 20-year window.”

    http://www.singularity2050.com/2012/03/why-baby-boomers-will-have-a-troubled-retirement.html

    • Pissed Off Granny says:

      Seems some on here support the abortion vaccine to eliminate babies, why not line up the old folks for their final trip.

      To not call inserting a killer drug in a vaccine without the receivers knowledge is pure evil, any way you want to SPIN it.

      Some of this may be coming to a clinic near you in the not to distant future. Think these bastards don’t want to reduce population in every country. Think again.

  13. infidel6actual says:

    drowning in debt, record number of non working Americans, trillions in Federal spending, debased currency, loss if US Dollar, foolish White House
    actions……….

    anything that can not go on
    will not go on

    we are Rome just before the collapse

    • John W. says:

      Can you freaking imagine the difference in the media if Dip wad George was still president. When things were going well it was non stop doom and gloom. Now that the Great Black Hopeless is El Presidente not a word. The media is a truly corrupt organization and an organ of the democrat/communist party.

  14. Copperhead says:

    Daddy’s Poem

    Her hair was up in a pony tail,
    Her favorite dress tied with a bow.
    Today was Daddy’s Day at school,
    And she couldn’t wait to go.

    But her mommy tried to tell her,
    That she probably should stay home;
    Why the kids might not understand,
    If she went to school alone.

    But she was not afraid;
    She knew just what to say.
    What to tell her classmates
    Of why he wasn’t there today.

    But still her mother worried,
    For her to face this day alone.
    And that was why, once again,
    She tried to keep her daughter home.

    But the little girl went to school,
    Eager to tell them all.
    About a dad she never sees, a dad
    Who never calls.

    There were daddies along the wall in
    Back, for everyone to meet.
    Children squirming impatiently,
    Anxious in their seat.

    One by one the teacher called
    On a student from the class.
    To introduce their daddy,
    As seconds slowly passed.

    At last the teacher called her name,
    Every child turned to stare.
    Each of them was searching,
    A man who wasn’t there.

    “Where’s her daddy at?”
    She heard a boy call out.
    “She probably doesn’t have one,”
    Another student dared to shout.

    And from somewhere near the back,
    She heard a daddy say,
    “Looks like another deadbeat dad,
    Too busy to waste his day.”

    The words did not offend her,
    As she smiled up at her Mom.
    And looked back at her teacher, who
    Told her to go on..

    And with hands behind her back,
    Slowly she began to speak.
    And out from the mouth of a child,
    Came words incredibly unique.

    “My Daddy couldn’t be here,
    Because he lives so far away.
    But I know he wishes he could be,
    Since this is such a special day.

    And though you cannot meet him,
    I wanted you to know
    All about my daddy,
    And how much he loves me so.

    He loved to tell me stories,
    He taught me to ride my bike;
    He surprised me with pink roses,
    And taught me to fly a kite.

    We used to share fudge sundaes,
    And ice cream in a cone.
    And though you cannot see him.
    I’m not standing here alone.

    ‘Cause my daddy’s always with me,
    Even though we are apart;
    I know because he told me,
    He’ll forever be in my heart”

    With that, her little hand reached up,
    And lay across her chest.
    Feeling her own heartbeat,
    Beneath her favorite dress.

    And from somewhere there in the crowd of dads, Her mother stood in tears.
    Proudly watching her daughter,
    Who was wise beyond her years.

    For she stood up for the love
    Of a man not in her life.
    Doing what was best for her,
    Doing what was a right.

    And when she dropped her hand back
    Down, staring straight into the crowd.
    She finished with a voice so soft,
    But its message clear and loud.

    “I love my daddy very much,
    he’s my shining star.
    And if he could, he’d be here,
    But heaven’s just too far.

    You see he is an American Soldier
    And he died just this past year,,
    When a roadside bomb hit his convoy
    And taught Americans to fear.

    But sometimes when I close my eyes,
    it’s like he never went away.”
    And then she closed her eyes,
    And saw him there that day.

    And to her mother’s amazement,
    She witnessed with surprise,
    A room full of daddies and children,
    All starting to close their eyes.

    Who knows what they saw before them;
    Who knows what they felt inside.
    Perhaps for merely a second,
    They saw him at her side.

    “I know you’re with me Daddy,”
    to the silence she called out.
    And what happened next made believers,
    of those once filled with doubt.

    Not one in that room could explain it,
    for each of their eyes had been closed.
    But there on the desk beside her,
    was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose.

    And a child was blessed, if only for
    a moment, by the love of her shining star.
    And given the gift of believing,
    that heaven is never too far.

    They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them, but then an entire life to forget them.

    Send this to the people you’ll never forget and remember to send it also to the person that sent it to you. It’s a short message to let them know that you’ll never forget them.

    If you don’t send it to anyone, it means you’re in a hurry and that you’ve forgotten your friends.

    Take the time….to live and love.

    Until eternity

    God Bless

    There must be many children in the same boat as this little girl, thanks to our servicemen and their families for the sacrifice they are making to keep our country free.
    The ULTIMATE sacrifice is being left behind. Don’t forget them.PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS!!!

    NOMI/MOLON LABE!

    • durango kidd says:

      Anyone who would thumb down this poem is a pathetic piece of shit who should be shot!!! Offshore trolls on site everyone!!! Anti-American pig shit!!! 🙁

      • Night Breaker says:

        Copper head that bright tears to my eyes , far to many know this as a reality ,
        The future does not belong to the faint hearted it belongs to the brave.

        All you asshats who red thumb downed this poem i hope you are proud of yourselves , may that ancient Bedouin curse ” may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits ” Visit you.

        Copperhead that was very special , heart felt and appreciated it brought tears to this old gunneys eyes .

        Semper Fi 8541

      • The Old Coach says:

        Gut-shot three times with a .22 rimfire, then staked out on an anthill in broiling sun like the Apaches used to do.

      • Walt Kowalski says:

        We don’t agree about a lot DK. But I went off on these morons on a previous thread yesterday.

        I agree with you. I’m sick of them too.

    • John W. says:

      Fuck all you that gave a thumbs down. You are all so with it, so cool. Losers. Most likely your dads hate the cheap rubbers they used for inflicting garbage like you on the world and them. Your moms think you suck too.

    • Meathead says:

      Copperhead. Let’s just pray to God for the wisdom and knowledge to provide the support, comfort, and healing to the little girl who lost her dad.
      Beyond that, I don’t have the words…..
      Happy vets day to all.

    • KY Mom says:

      Copperhead,

      Thank you for sharing! What a beautiful poem!

      As the daughter of a Veteran and the wife of a veteran, I know there are many good and honorable servicemen.

      Sincerely,
      KY Mom

  15. Satori says:

    just pointing out the obvious

    Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

    “A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.

    Asking “[w]ho really rules?” researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue that over the past few decades America’s political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.”

    • durango kidd says:

      America was never a “democracy”. It has always been a “republic”. Ivy League stupidity in evidence.

      Americans must engage their employees and be politically active if they want their government to be responsive to them.

      The last election shows it works. Gun control advocates were DESTROYED at the polls despite spending hundreds of billions of dollars for their cause; even in New York!!!

      The American people spoke loud and clear. 🙂

      • The Old Coach says:

        I wish I were as sanguine about the American people, DK, but then I think that the voters who made the difference probably amount to only 2 or 3 percent. There’s still darn near 50% out there who would vote for the Devil himself if they thought it would finish off gun ownership.

  16. Sierra Dave says:

    The market has a history of ups and downs. Either they are natural or manipulated into happening.

    I’m leaning toward natural cycles as anyone could then time their getting out.

    This current cycle on the other hand is caused by manipulation. Not natural growth of the economy. IMHO, it will take a downturn soon. And it will be pretty bad. If they have a bank holiday, thats all she wrote.

  17. JoeBlow says:

    “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” – Tacitus – The Annals of Imperial Rome

    Thanks so much, leftists!! When the First Congress enacted the original Crimes Act in 1790 (see http://www.gwu.edu/~ffcp/exhibit/p6/p6_7.html ), there were only 17 recognized Federal crimes, and it was reasonable to assume that as long as a person was a law-abiding citizen, he was not at risk of arrest. Today, though, there are more than 4,500 Federal crimes — and many are so obscure that they are nearly indecipherable. In addition to the 4,500 Federal crimes, there are tens of thousands of Federal regulations. Many people commit criminal acts daily without even knowing they are doing so.

    The Federal Register – full of laws which apply to YOU, and is comprised of government agencies’ new regulations, proposed rules, and presidential papers – is, according to Politifact.com and Rep Randy Forbes (R—4th) 34,000 pages in length, and weigh 340 lbs. The Government Printing Office stated on June 14, 2011, the actual number of pages was 34,844 (but then, as pages are added every day, whose counting!), but that was actually just the running tally of the number of pages published in 2011 to date. According to Jim Hemphill, Ass’t to Dir. of the Federal Register, the 2010 total was actually 81,405 pages, of which “only” 46, 758 were dedicated to rules or proposed rules (whew! I was worried there for a minute!). The rest were agency hearing, meetings, investigations, etc.

    But, please note! Our politically correct government is trying to save trees, so the 34,000 pp. document – printed on double sided paper – was only around 17,000 pages, thankfully (of course, under Obama, even double sided is now probably back around that size). See (http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2011/jul/01/randy-forbes/rep-forbes-says-federal-registration-containing-re/ )

  18. Satori says:

    the whole red thumb green thumb rating system is obviously
    being trolled BIG time

    it no longer has any meaning

  19. slingshot says:

    Red Thumbs on the move.

  20. JoeBlow says:

    Wow!! A MASSIVE amount of ignorant, fascist, leftist trolls on this site today!!

    • John W. says:

      Why would today be any different? This site has become a troll hangout and not a prepper site. First the Joo bashing now they have moved on to bashing the military which has no say in the wars the higher ups start. They just pay the price for civilian leaders being stupid.

  21. JoeBlow says:

    Please click thumbs down here _________________ if you are an ignorant, fascist, leftist troll on the site today.

    Thanks so much! Better get off to your “Yes we can/Yes we have no bananas” chant-in, and don’t forget your “Dope and Change” button!!

  22. Jim in Va. says:

    Must be a troll party today!

  23. badpuppydog says:

    I’d like to welcome the Hazbarats that have so kindly joined us here today. wow..you guys must have the whole family over in Tel Aviv coming in to give all of us who see who you really are red thumbs. Good job guys..I’m sending all you sweet folks a nice box of chocolates and a gift certificate in the amount of $6,000,000 sheckels..enjoy guys and god bless you in the name of YASHUA who is the christ.

  24. Enemy of the State says:

    FBI comes clean FINALLY about Sandy Hook

    ht tp://www.politicalears.com/blog/fbi-report-no-deaths-at-sandy-hook-was-exercise-misreported-created-crisis/

    we all knew this, but is anyone going to pay for the damage?

    • I believe this to be true or at the very least, that it was not what we were told.

      BUT, Help me with one thing

      What about the Lanza family?

      Thanks

      And Mac…PLEASE THE RED THUMB “HIDDEN DUE TO LOW RATING” IS BROKE….PLEASE ABANDON IT OR NO ONE WILL CONTINUE COMING TO READ OR ESPECIALLY COMMENTING DUE TO MOST COMMENTS BEING HIDDEN….I AM TIRED OF HAVING TO REPOST THEM.

    • JoeBlow says:

      Several nationally known experts on school safety, military operations, and local residents question Sandy Hook account. They are not into conspiracy theories, but asking some questions that have not been answered. In particular, Wolfgang Halbig. Halbig’s credentials?

      He’s worked in public education as a teacher, dean, assistant principal, principal of an alternative school and as the Director for School Safety and Security for the Seminole County Public Schools, a school district of approximately 65,000 students. He was also a former Florida State Trooper and United States Customs Inspector, and in the past Mr. Halbig was invited by the U.S. Department of Justice to train over 3,500 school police officers, school superintendents and school principals. He travels the country providing presentations and keynotes to a variety of school board associations and conferences and is a nationally-recognized school safety and security expert and consultant, who has provided safety training and school assessments for more than 4,000 school districts nationwide.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sy_3U-eYLqM#t=352 or see Halbig at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfW9FvLyAg&feature=player_embedded#t=597

    • Tango Bravo says:

      Not sure if this is the smoking gun needed to prove the point. A little research shows that in fact, the FBI does report 0 deaths due to murder in Newtown, CT during 2012. This seems strange but other possibilities exist. If those homicides are counted in another database (I don’t know which one)then they might not be included in this chart. I agree, it looks weird and I can’t explain it but there is no outright admission from the FBI of “coming clean”. From what I can find, this is only an inconsistency in reporting…some type of error that possibly supports your conclusion or is just an administrative mistake.

      • durango kidd says:

        If it were only a clerical error in reporting the FBI would have updated the results once the “error” was recognized by the public.

        Government reporting on the economy “readjusts” the numbers on at least a quarterly basis. Its almost 2015. Time enough to post the “facts”.

        4 dead in Ohio. No dead in Newton Massachusetts. 🙂

  25. Satori says:

    Local Officials Encourage Police To Seize Cars, Flatscreen TVs, And Computers From Civilians​

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/11/3591031/in-asset-seizure-programs-officials-advise-cops-if-in-doubt-take-it/

    just like living in a corrupt third world country ain’t it ?

    • The Old Coach says:

      Another example of voters who are otherwise not insane supporting a blatantly UN-Constitutional law.

      I had a loud argument with a graduate degreed colleague at work about ten years ago over this. His position was “Hey, it’s only going to affect drug dealers….”

      • Walt Kowalski says:

        I had a similar discussion with a criminal defense attorney some 20 years ago. At that time, I expressed concern over RICO statutes and violations regarding search and seizure. When I mentioned these things to him, he looked me square in the eye and said, “There is no fourth amendment anymore”.

  26. Seems to be a lot of discussion on the up and down vote.

    I was wondering when the “Iowa forum” was going to be up and running…it’s been a couple years, now.

    That should take a lot of the off topic posts off the main page and you can quickly go to the subject you want to fight about…lol.

    • The up/down vote has nothing to do with fighting. It has everything to do with cliques, the partially awake crowd still stuck in their normalcy bias matrix. It has to do with popularity and uncomfortable truths so many can’t stand to hear. It has to do with favorites, haters and anti free speech hypocrites.

  27. Satori says:

    Twilight of the Oligarchs

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/twilight-of-oligarchs.html#more

    “I see the political elites and their oligarch puppet-masters becoming endangered species in the United States before too long as the populace, including their own bodyguards, turns against them.”

  28. MommaD says:

    I have been preaching to friends and family for years to learn to grow and preserve thier own food, stock up, ect, ect,….they all, but one, just ignore it all. Our economy will crash eventually, all fiat currency has, it’s just history.

  29. Vicky says:

    “Peace, quiet and safety”. Man, that sounds good! Doubt we’ll see it again, but it’s a nice memory. I do feel slightly less paranoid this week, than last, but that may be an optimistic hope that “things” will get better. Blessed Veteran’s Day to all of you who served, especially “Navy Vet”. We’re having dinner for our vets at the local high school, with the wives cooking. Should be a nice evening.

  30. Socrates says:

    “If Everything Is Just Fine, Why Are So Many Really Smart People Forecasting Economic Disaster?”

    Quite simple really…

    When you feel the temperature drop outside and see the dark clouds gathering, you *know* the bad weather is about to hit. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out either. Even animals have basic instincts that warn them of impending doom.

    Same reason the global geo-political weather has been gathering dark clouds, more so than in recent history.
    The big storm is coming all right and many will be swept away by the ferocity of it. Not that you need a deluge to kill you- one can drown in an inch of water… and that will be all it takes for many I’m afraid.

  31. swinging richard says:

    More red thumbs than green.

  32. TheGuy says:

    THIS “seems stable”???

    Tried getting a job lately?

  33. badpuppydog says:

    I wonder if MAC himself has UNLIMITED red thumb power? hmmmmmm…. I never thought of that until JUST now. But it couldn’t be MORE obvious a crazy amount of red thumbs are being dished out like candy. Anyone else notice how the red thumbs just all of a sudden appear? Fishy mac…very, very fishy.

    • JoeBlow says:

      Stick to your hourly Jewish conspiracy stuff. But most likely you think he is part of them!

      • badpuppydog says:

        Joe Blow-me… I guess you haven’t noticed the insane amount of red thumbs for ALL posters. Doesn’t matter if you agree with my posts or not. The fact remains there is obviously a red thumb brigade coming in here just to red thumb everyone including you. As for the jewish ” conspiracy ” stuff you mean to tell me you don’t have the intellect to do a simple search and learn who controls hollywood, television, washington d.c., the banks, the courts, the education system, the drug companies, etc, etc? It’s hardly a “conspiracy” when it’s not only true…but easily proven if you just pull your head out of your bunghole and research it. Good Day Sir !!

    • hammerhead says:

      So just as congress has power of the purse , mac has power of the thumb ?
      brilliant !!!
      A conspiracy revealed !

      • badpuppydog says:

        Hammer..that was kind of a tounge in cheek comment…I’m pretty sure mac isn’t actually red thumbing everyone down since it would be bad for HIM.

        • hammerhead says:

          YEP , my comment was tongue and cheek as well.
          We are on the same page on this one 🙂

        • It does make one ponder the possibility of why, after all these years, Mac has yet to post or write ONE article, please correct me if I’m wrong someone, even remotely hinting that the ZIONIST JEWS might be responsible for this catastrophic, global clusterfuck that we are all acutely aware of, when all the evidence undeniably exposes their intentions on almost every level.

          Why would he avoid that subject like the plague? What is he fearful of? All the other fair and unbiased prepper sites give that topic at least a little air time. Maybe this is the reason many posters here continue to bring up the obvious “ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM”, day in and day out. Maybe that’s why they say “And the Truth will set your Free”, because the Truth is being ignored here and the constant denial of that truth is growing as big, if not bigger, than the ELEPHANT.

          • badpuppydog says:

            Yes…one would think mac might get around to at least mentioning the soviet red terror days. It was only THE BIGGEST MASSACRE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. We all know who was behind that massacre now don’t we? Wasn’t it those sweet people you get butchered in here for daring to mention?

      • Anontoo says:

        Paranoia strikes deep….. starts when you’re always afraid….

  34. It’s probably good to argue about this and that and the other bad shit that’s wrong with this country…

    But, do you actually believe you are going to uproot these bankers and other sociopaths?

    Better to get out and enjoy your life. Live fast and die young… no one wants to take care of you when you’re 90 years old.

    Case in point: My dear friends that live next door. Mrs. neighbor fell and hurt her hip. She was developing dementia.

    Her daughter, who lived in the new home next door bought and built by her mommy and daddy, had the “power of attorney”. She was put into the “rehab” home.

    Mr and Mrs neighbor both wished that she could come home and live her remaining days there, but their daughter (who did not work) said she could not be cared for at home.

    She passed away in the nursing home. It was such a sad thing for me to see. It was much sadder for Mr neighbor. 68 years together.

    I will crawl off into the woods and die before I am subjected to such bullshit.

  35. rednek101 says:

    Like I’ve been sayin’ we’re already there.

    Unemployment is at 23%+ when computed like they did during the Great Depression

    WE don’t have soup lines because we use EBTs now. 15K people per Super Walmart…
    demonocracy.info/…/usa/food_stamps/food_stamp_nation-SNAP.html

  36. Anonymous says:

    The gay bars closed and the red thumb trolls show up here.

  37. Frostbyte says:

    Hey everyone….

    NEWS FLASH***

    The economy HAS been a disaster and will continue to be a disaster. This is NOT news. This is nonsense. The economy is NOT going to collapse. The world will not allow that to happen. There are too many countries that depend on the US and too many parts of the whole global economy that is supported by the US. Get real people. The economy isn’t going to collapse and the end is NOT near. I think its funny how a couple weeks ago it was FEMA camps and Ebola and now that that ain’t shit (like I said it wouldn’t be) you “preppers” are on to more economic collapse crap. Really? How many times has this idea been on this site? How many times has it predicted the US economic system to collapse in 3 months, 6 months, next year? Really? Come on people get a grip. Get outside. Stop stressing over shit you cannot control anyways.

    • The Old Coach says:

      Yeah right. And WW2 wasn’t going to happen either. Remember MacMillan – “Peace in Our Time?”. No, you probably don’t.

      I’m a retired manufacturing engineer. Y’know what engineers do all day? They sit and think, “If I design the system THIS way, what can go wrong?” We call it “failure mode analysis.” We have a kind of scoring system that takes into account the probability of a certain failure happening, and the consequences of that failure. Some breakdowns happen a lot, but they aren’t too harmful. Some have a vanishingly small low probability, but if they happen they’ll kill the operator and everyone else with 200 yards. Prediction and preparation.

      That’s what we do here, when the racist trolls aren’t wasting bandwidth railing against “the tribe”.

      Notice they don’t use the acronym for “Zionist Occupied Government” anymore? Automated moderating was probably blocking those posts out.

  38. sixpack says:

    Found this on Yahoo, by “Jim”

    I come for visit, get treated regal,
    So I stay, who care I illegal?
    I cross the open border, poor and broke,
    Take the bus, see employment folk.
    Nice man treat me good in there.
    Say I need to see welfare.

    Welfare say “You come no more,
    We pay your rent and send cash right to your door.”
    Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
    Obamacare it keep you healthy!
    With EBT card I got plenty money,
    Thanks to you, Liberal American dummy.

    With Obamaphone I call friends in motherland,
    Tell them come with guns as fast as you can,
    They come in rags and Chebby trucks,
    I buy big house with EBT bucks.
    They come here and we live together.
    More EBT and welfare checks, it gets better!

    Fourteen families they moving in,
    But neighbor’s patience wearing thin.
    Finally, white guy moves away,
    Now I buy his house, and then I say,
    “Find more illegals for house to rent”
    And in the yard I put a tent.

    Send for family quick like bunny,
    Then they too draw the welfare money!
    Everything is mucho good,
    And soon we own the neighborhood.
    We have hobby—-it’s called breeding,
    Obamacare pay for baby feeding.

    Kids need dentist? Wife needs pills?
    EBT, it pay all the bills!
    American crazy! He pay all year,
    To keep Obamacare, EBT and Welfare running here.
    We think America darn good place!
    Too darn good for the white man race.

    If they no like us, they can go.
    Got lots of room in Mexico!

  39. Ron Ahrens says:

    As long as lazy fat ass dumbed down brain dead ignorant Murican dipshits keep eating and drinking the poisonous toxic filthy shit slop the Murican pigs eat daily, keep drowning themselves in mindless entertainment and sports, and keep popping their deadly Big Pharma poisonous toxic shit in their lazy fat filthy boot licking faces….then the Corporatist Fascist controlling filth in the EVIL collapsing vile disgusting GENOCIDAL shithole of the world can just keep printing money and telling the dumbed down brain dead dipshits everything is fine, and the lazy sugar sucking fat ass waddling toxic waste dump COWARDS of collapsing Murica will believe it all….nothing but GENOCIDE SUPPORTING COWARD PUSSIES IN COLLAPSING MURICA..IT IS ALL THAT IS LEFT IN THE EVIL VILE DISGUSTING COLLAPSING GENOCIDAL SHITHOLE OF THE WORLD…