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    5 Signs That Global Financial Markets Are Entering A Bear Market, And 11 Ways That You Can Get Prepared For The Chaos That Is Coming…

    Michael Snyder
    August 17th, 2018
    The Economic Collapse
    Comments (54)
    Read by 8,827 people

    This report was originally published by Michael Snyder at The Economic Collapse

    We haven’t seen carnage like this in the global financial marketplace in quite some time. On Wednesday, U.S. stocks were down some, but things were much, much worse around the rest of the world. Global banking stocks are plunging, emerging market stocks are cratering, and emerging market currencies continue their stunning decline. This represents a dramatic change from the relative stability that we have seen throughout most of 2018. It is almost as if someone flipped a switch once the month of August began, and the shakiness of global financial markets has many investors wondering what trouble fall will bring. What we are witnessing right now is not a full-blown panic yet, but it definitely has the potential to turn into one.

    The term “bear market” is being thrown around a lot lately, but a lot of people don’t understand what a “bear market” actually is.

    A bear market is generally considered to be when we see a decline of 20 percent or more from the 52-week high, and after the carnage of this past week a lot of those thresholds are now being crossed.

    It would probably be too early to call this a “global stock market crash”, but we are well on the way to getting there.  The following are 5 signs that global financial markets are entering a bear market…

    #1 Global stocks have now fallen beneath all key moving averages. Those key moving averages are important psychological thresholds for investors, and if we have a few more days like Wednesday we could see global financial markets go into full panic mode.

    #2 European banking stocks have now officially entered a bear market, and all major European stock indexes are now red for the year.

    #3 Global banking stocks are down a whopping 23 percent from the peak established earlier this year, and that means that they have officially entered a bear market.

    #4 Emerging market stocks have fallen 20 percent from the peak, and that means that they are also now in a bear market.

    #5 When demand for industrial metals falls, that indicates that an economic slowdown is coming. On Wednesday, prices for industrial metals fell to their lowest level in almost a year, and “Dr. Copper officially entered a bear market.

    If the financial carnage continues (and that is a big “if”), this could be the beginning of another financial crisis like we experienced in 2008, and that would almost certainly mean a crippling global recession.

    And of course once the next global recession begins, it is likely to be more painful than we have ever seen before in modern history, because the global debt bubble is far larger than it has ever been before.

    We live at a time of great global instability, and there are so many ominous warnings about our future. A lot of people reach out to me for advice on how to get prepared for what is coming, and I hope to share quite a few tips in future articles.

    Today, I would like to share with you 11 tips that my good friend Ray Gano shared with his readers in his most recent article

    —–

    1 – Get Out of Debt: The old saying, “the borrower is the servant of the lender”, is so incredibly true. The key to insulating yourself from an economic meltdown is to become as independent as possible, and as long as you are in debt, you simply are not independent. You don’t want a horde of creditors chasing after you when things really start to get bad out there.

    2 – Find New Sources of Income: With the birth of The IRA, there simply is no such thing as job security anymore. If you are dependent on a job (“just over broke”) for 100% of your income, you are in a very bad position.  There are thousands of different ways to make extra money. What you don’t want to do is to have all of your eggs in one basket. One day when the economy melts down and you are out of a job are you going to be destitute or are you going to be okay?

    IF you need some ideas on what you can do, contact me and I can help.

    3 – Reduce Your Expenses: Many Americans have left the rat race and have found ways to live on half or even on a quarter of what they were making previously. It is possible – if you are willing to reduce your expenses. In the future times are going to be tougher, so learn to start living with less today.

    4 – Learn To Grow Your Own / Supplement Your Food: Today the vast majority of Americans are completely dependent on being able to run down to the supermarket or to the local Wal-Mart to buy food. But what happens when the U.S. dollar declines dramatically in value and it costs ten bucks to buy a loaf of bread? If you learn to grow your own food (even if is just a small garden) you will be insulating yourself against rising food prices. Another thing is to learn to hunt and fish. There is “low cost” food out there for the taking, you just need to assert yourself. (Low Cost = you still need to pay for hunting and fishing licenses.)

    5 – Make Sure You Have A Reliable Water Supply: Water shortages are popping up all over the globe. Water is quickly becoming one of the “hottest” commodities out there. Even in the United States, water shortages have been making headline news recently. As we move into the future, it will be imperative for you and your family to have a reliable source of water. Some Americans have learned to collect rainwater and many others are using advanced technology such as atmospheric water generators to provide water for their families. But whatever you do, make sure that you are not caught without a decent source of water in the years ahead.

    6 – Buy Land: This is a tough one, because prices are high depending on where you are looking. If you are able to buy land when prices are low, that is going to insulate you a great deal from the rising housing costs that will occur when the U.S dollar does totally go into the tank.

    7 – Buy Precious Metals: this is a no brainer, but it still amazes me how many people are not doing this. Right now silver is sitting at $14.41. That is a very affordable price and a price that everyone can afford. We must start “paying ourselves first” and start pulling in these sort of assets.

    The best place that I recommend is Renaissance Precious Metals. It is who I purchase from.

    8 – Get Partially Off The Grid: An increasing number of Americans are going “off the grid”.  Essentially what that means is that they are attempting to operate independently of the utility companies. In particular, going “off the grid” will enable you to insulate yourself from the rapidly rising energy prices that we are going to see in the future. If you are able to produce energy for your own home, you won’t be freaking out like your neighbors are when electricity prices triple someday.

    9 – Store Non-Perishable Supplies: Non-perishable supplies are one investment that is sure to go up in value.  Not that you would resell them. You store up non-perishable supplies because you are going to need them someday. So why not stock up on the things that you are going to need now before they double or triple in price in the future? Your money is not ever going to stretch any farther than it does right now.

    EXAMPLE – Toilet Paper

    10 – Develop Stronger Relationships: Americans have become very insular creatures. We act like we don’t need anyone or anything. But the truth is that as the we see a socio-economic melt down we are going to need each other. It is those that are developing strong relationships with family and friends right now that will be able to depend on them when times get hard.

    11 – Get Educated And Stay Flexible: When times are stable, it is not that important to be informed because things pretty much stay the same. However, when things are rapidly changing it is imperative to get educated and to stay informed so that you will know what to do. The times ahead are going to require us all to be very flexible, and it is those who are willing to adapt that will do the best when things get tough.

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    Michael Snyder is a nationally syndicated writer, media personality and political activist. He is publisher of The Most Important News and the author of four books including The Beginning Of The End and Living A Life That Really Matters.

    GetPreparedNow-MichaelSnyderBarbaraFixMichael T. Snyder is a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.Today, Michael is best known for his work as the publisher of The Economic Collapse Blog and The American Dream

    If you want to know what is coming and what you can do to prepare, read his latest book Get Prepared Now!: Why A Great Crisis Is Coming.

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    1. Dandelion weed garden.

      Weeds are difficult to get rid of. Why bother. In most cases they grow without any work, no watering. I read that some people survived on wild dandelion during famine.

      If you can, plant a tree that bears fruit or nuts. Let edible weeds grow between the trees. I use strawberries like ground cover between other trees or around and between plants like Japanese eggplant which blends into a regular looking landscape.

      _

      • TharSheBlows says:

        Regarding the Article here a few days ago. I told you this was a very real threat. The FBI was correcto!!

        Hackers Steal $13 Million From Bank ATMs In 28 Countries
        08-17-2018 • Zero Hedge – Tyler Durden

        The cybercriminals infected cash machines of India based Cosmos Bank with malware, which allowed them to approve transactions and access client accounts, reports Yahoo News. Fake credit cards were used to drain the cash from the machines.

        In a confidential alert issued last Friday, the FBI had warned American banks of an imminent “cashout” attack on cashpoints around the globe.

        The agency was concerned of a highly choreographed fraud scheme known as an ATM “jackpotting,” essentially describing exactly what had happened to the ATMs of Cosmos Bank.

        Roughly 12,000 transactions were made during the hack attack between 11 August and 13 August, according to Cosmos Bank chairman Milind Kale.

        “In two days, hackers withdrew a total 780 million rupees ($11.1m) from various ATMs in 28 countries, including Canada, Hong Kong and a few ATMs in India, and another 25 million rupees ($356,000) were taken out within India,” he said.

        The hacks continued into Monday with the attackers transferring 139.2 million rupees ($2m) to a Hong Kong-based bank by using the Bank’s compromised SWIFT international payments system.

        Cosmos Bank said in a statement to Reuters that, “During the malware attack, a proxy switch was created and all the fraudulent payment approvals were passed by the proxy switching system.”

        • blinky says:

          Deep State engineered plot to move us to a cashless system.
          Hackers, courtesy of agency clowns. Read between the lines.

          • TharSheBlows says:

            Well, I think there has to be some insiders with knowledge into the ATM systems and bank software that put this theft together. What happens is all of these bad hacker characters have blogs online, and the FBI infiltrates into these chat rooms and scoops up info. Its the Cat chasing the Rat..

            Usually when something big goes down there is a lot of chatter online, and their insider White Hats go in and can speak the hack language and tip off the authorities. The FBI is not hacking ATM machines. That’s absurd. Probably some Bankster IT insiders who get code keys to penetrate and infiltrate system software, to get the machines to spit out money. Then they send out all the acct card codes and pin numbers to all their online hacking buddies, and then they set a date to spring their scam.

            There is a World wide Global hacker community and dark chat rooms all over the WWW network. These hacking chumps will sit at their laptop for 20 hours a day, just trying to hack into company systems, pass that info on to other hackers, who then can penetrate further into company systems to data mine. Most companies that discover a security breach and make it public, have been breached 6 months or more in advance, before they discover it, as the hacker trolls go through their company network scooping up data.

            Heck, I could have bought the machines that encode the magnetic track 1&2 strip on the back of credit cards. I never thought that is was very worthy to be a criminal to steal, when there is plenty of good business out there to make an honest living and I can seep at night. However criminals will waste 100 times their energy to pull off a scam, than just go get an honest job. I think many thieves just do it for the thrill, and to move up the seniority chain in the hacking community like a badge of honor. This ATM theft could have been pulled off by 16 year old kids.

            • TharSheBlows says:

              More BLOWBACK against the Globalists.
              “MAKE SWEDEN GREAT AGAIN.” SWEDENS DEMOCRATS ARE LIKE OUR RT LEANING CONSERVATIVES HERE IN THE US.

              Far-right Sweden Democrats hope to topple century of socialism
              08-17-2018 • ht tps://www.nbcnews.com, by Alexander Smith

              Around 4,000 far-right supporters gathered on the grounds of a ruined castle last weekend to plot the downfall of the socialist ideas that have come to define their progressive country.

              Their views — anti-immigration, anti-establishment and often anti-Muslim — are not new amid the populist tsunami that’s crashed into much of the West.

              But this is Sweden, where socialists have dominated every election for the past 101 years, making the Nordic nation something of a lodestar for leftists around the world.

              Some polls predict that the supporters’ favored party, the Sweden Democrats, with roots in neo-Nazism and white nationalism, will win as much as 25 percent of the vote in an election scheduled for Sept. 9. Such a result would likely earn the Sweden Democrats more seats in Parliament than any other single party.

        • the blame-e says:

          I am blocked from access to Zerohedge. I don’t know why. I don’t comment on their site. I just tune in to read.

          The block started out as not being allowed access to some articles. All the computer would say was some snarky BS: “Hmmmm . . . Can’t reach this page.”

          I go directly to the article on “Bing” and the same thing happens.

          Now the block is total and complete. I have sent message to Zerohedge. Nothing.

          I think the block is coming from Bill Gates and Microsoft. I won’t buy into Windows 10. This is their punishment.

          Anybody have any ideas? I have no idea how to fix this except to go on a hunting mission and Revolution.

          When do we the people start “blocking” this bad behavior by these companies?

      • my “side” yard is all dandelion, purslane, common plantain, and wild strawberry with cattails along the stream.

        • the blame-e says:

          My neighbor and I made dandelion wine once. It’s pretty good. Pear wine is better. Didn’t think much of the hard cider we made.

          What is amazing is how they made beer in Philadelphia and Boston back in Colonial times. Thick with molasses. Dark brown in color. Rich in flavor. Best served at room temperature. So thick you can put your finger in it.

          The best modern version is (or was) was a “Porter,” made by Steigmaier. Steigmaier is now under the banner of Lion Brewery, out of Wilkes Barre Pennsylvania (since 1974). I haven’t had one of their Porters in that long.

          • Maranatha says:

            When you sip pear schnapps in the winter near a fire, it’s like the promise of summer and delicious first kisses from a sweet young maiden.

            I always want to make a batch…now where is that recipe?

      • durangokidd says:

        Speaking of “WEED” marijuana is one of the most nutritious plants on earth. Don’t smoke it. Eat it in your salads. 🙂

        BTW, I mentioned last week that WalMart would look to companies in other countries, like Ukraine, the Caribbean, or SA to get its products produced cheaply for Americans. Add Africa to that list too.

        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-19/walmart-tells-some-suppliers-look-outside-china-maersk-sounds-trade-war-alarm

      • Maranatha says:

        Most generally you can look up the nutritional value in wild edibles. I think that you’ll find that most have scant calories but have valueable vitamins and minerals. Generally under SHTF conditions, the deficits are Vitamin C to prevent scurvey and low iron which results in anemia and low calcium as milk is unavailable. Likewise low B3 causes pellagra and what typically happens is corn has to be specially treated with wood ash in order to get the B3 in the pericarp. But people don’t realize that. The food companies do what’s called nixtamalization, a process that indigenous people figured out in history.

        Lots of meadow plats have calcium but it’s as calcium oxalate. But you have to eat platefuls of salad to get adequate calcium. Meanwhile people under disaster conditions are doing lots of work, so when that happens, your skeleton does extensive bone remodeling, thus you need far more calcium that you think. Well, despite the availability, people can only tolerate so much salad and neglect this as to eat enough causes intestinal pain as it’s hard to digest. You would see lots of irritable bowel syndrome coupled with lots of folk especially ladies with osteoporosis.

        Now you really want to focus on identifying the wild edibles during their harvest season in your region that have the most calories. This is always going to be nuts due to fat content. So hickory, acorns, walnuts are your main three unless further south and then you have pecans. Acorns are full of tannins which mean lots of boiling and casting it off before you can even think of eating them. But they are plentiful. Walnuts give you food plus black dye for clothing in the husks. That is great for camoflage. It also contains iodine.

        Otherwise you are looking at sugar in sap and these are birch, hickory, maple, box elder.

        Grass seed with no black rust on it is a survival food. Cattail pollen, young stalks, and root. The root is starchy so use it stretch your flour. Milkweed. Maple samaras. Obviously any fruits like persimmons. Locust bean pods. What is abundant is white clover blossoms which you add to soups and stews.

        Honestly there is not very much that has CALORIES. Go easy on the really crazy ones like pine cambium.

        Basically you need to have a year of food supplies so that you can get your garden going and then you’re barely using wild edibles until later in summer and autumn with tapping trees ater as the sap rises

        People are always shocked thinking there is more. Frankly the more you take, the less game animals you willhave for trapping.

        It’s the other wild edibles like snail, turtles, fish, snakes, frogs, insects like grasshopper, that have the protein and calories. Avoid eating slugs as they can eat toxic mushrooms that if you ingest may make you terribly sick. And you to deslime them regardless.

        Most likely you will dry the grasshoppers and crush up the protein powder to add to thicken your weak stews.

        Carp is not a great tasting fish but when smoked is not objectionable. You are trying to eat what no one else will eat.

        If you actually add up the calories and nutrients from wild edibles, you can easily get into a caloriic deficit as it may take far more calories to scavange and collect them versus what you ingest. This always shocks people.

        Porcupine is very good meat and you should be hunting them and is a far better meal than a tough chewy squirrel.

        • Maranatha says:

          The reason I mentioned calcium oxalate in meadow plants is this is what causes kidney stones. If you have a history of them, and the SHTF, you would primarily get this form in your diet and then have issues. And if it’s hereditary, then your children could as well.

          You have to plan your supplies as well as consider goats to get calcium sources.

    2. Been making financial moves to prep for economic trouble. No debt left. More cash on hand. Some valuable coins and extra ammo for barter. Can trade my services for barter. Don’t ask. Don’t tell.

    3. Sean says:

      Stay loose, stay frosty. You must keep your head, when all about you are losing theirs. Cultivate your younger relations with skills and talent. If they don’t know something, teach them, or get them to some one who does know. And don’t put the younger generations down. They are the future.

      • laura ann says:

        Youth are lazy,can’t even get them to mow grass, older men are willing and Mexicans. Too busy with tech: cell phone addiction, social media. Useless.

        • Maranatha says:

          Yes, much of what you have written is true. What would Jesus have us do? It’s our responsibility to try to teach them ancestral skills, but YHWH gave all…free will. YHWH will not force them to believe or be responsible. And if we are bondservants to Jesus Christ, we are not rebels doing what we want, but doing YHWH’s Will.

          You can choose to be a rebel, and Lucifer loves that. Then a rebel feels no responsibility to witness to Hebrews, Muslims, Atheists, etc.

          A Christian is just a person who is saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. But that just takes five minutes. What is harder is to become a bondservant to Jesus. We don’t have the option to write people off. Due to the Great Commission, every single day, it’s a responsibility to give an answer whenever anyone questions YHWH’s exstence and why choosing Jesus is the right answer.

          The balanced answer is we know in Romans 1 that some are reprobates. No matter what we do, and no matter what YHWH does, they will reject Jesus and be perpetual rebels. You will try but focus your energies on those will to listen. In evangelism, you show wisdom by being a good servant. See Matthew 25.

          14For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money.

          19After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. 20And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. 21His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

          22He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. 23His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

          24Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

          26His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

          29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
          Matthew 25:14-30

          A wicked servant, buries the talent to preserve it, but truly wastes it as there was no profit in their action, and so by not sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that wicked servant goes to Hell. That is what the Bible says.

          What you should not do is just give us trying. If that were so, our ancestors would have given up on us.

        • laura ann, by and large you are correct ! Most of the younger folks (under 35 or so) are completely mind fucked and not really capable of rational thought any longer. a big factor was the Obama decade of mind control mechanisms put on steroids ! But there are some young people, even teens, who see it all for what it is, control mechanisms ! Even people in your own family are not worth the effort if they refuse to even listen and are already mind fucked. All you can do is hope they finally see it all for what it is and we must live to be a good example of what NOT to do !

          Bottom line you cannot help anybody who does not want to help themselves, so the example part is the best way to go. I have seen many comments here and elsewhere about trying to help younger ones and I think many of these people are fooling themselves many times and living in their own created illusions or simply wishful thinking, or just denial. Of course we have to try initially and have the door open to dialogue, but we also have to accept reality.

          Part of the reason I stay super fit and healthy is to be a good example and I do have young people in their teens and 20s ask me lots pf questions. So the example thing is powerful and it does work ! In the extreme the Antifa types are likely a lost causes until things change much more seriously and they have no choice but to face some realities. Today everything is free and they have too many false safe places to hide and live in nonreality !

          I can assure you it will all change and sooner than most realize ! This article makes many good points, but it is all old news for sure, ad-nauseum. Far better to just live it daily than only talk about it and enjoy the journey !

        • TharSheBlows says:

          laura ann, May I suggest, when they are lazy and fail to mow the lawn when you ask them, then you need to step up as a parent, and stop feeding them or fixing them meals, washing their clothes, and when they ask you for money, tell them to go get a lawn mowing job. Tough love they call it. Try banning their tech gadgets. Lock them up for a week of home probation. When they want to go do something, tell them no, and why you are telling them no.

          This is called parenting, and parents today are too damn lazy to do parenting, probably because they too, are too busy on social media or have a cell phone in their ears. Where do you think the youth today learned this? Their parents.

          Ever remember the TV commercial when a dad catches his kid with a pot pipe, and the dad confronts the kid and asks the kid, “Where did you learn this?” and the kid replies, “From you Dad.”

          Tell you kid you are teaching him work ethics, work hard and get rewarded. Too many parents want to be their kids best friends instead of tough loving parent. Not sure what your situation is, but start there.

          And I don’t even have any kids, ,but remember how I was raised. I loved mowing the lawn and made the wheel passed in a diagonal pattern to look like a golf course. I’ve never been afraid of work and look at every job or a task and another set of skills to carry me though life. Maybe its your lack of marketing skills as a parent to show your child the benefits of work.

    4. CMoore says:

      Get a Rodale’s Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs, I got mine from Amazon for $3.Many plants they call weeds are herbs, like chicory and Queen Anne’s lace.

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    6. TharSheBlows says:

      #8. Get ALL off the Grid as much as possible. My Solar ROI rate of return is 4 to 5 years payback. Then Free Electricity for the next 20 years. No brainer. Solar panels habe 25 year warrantee, batteries may need replacing in about 10 years. What this does is locks in your electric costs for the next 20 to 25 years.

      • rellik says:

        TSB,
        My electricity is the most expensive in America.
        up to $0.38 per kWh. I managed to get my solar panels
        for $0.60 a Watt delivered( I rented a truck to pick them up)
        in my shop. With a Federal subsidy my payback is 6-8 years.
        The variance is due to variability of oil costs.
        How do you get the numbers you do?
        I’d bet my electricity cost is triple yours and I really doubt
        you could beat the per watt solar cost I managed(Thanks to a SHTF commenter suggestion).
        What kind of batteries? What charge controllers? Type of mounting?
        I’m curious! Please share with us!

        ThankX!

        • TharSheBlows says:

          rellik – Yeah, I will get back to you with some Battery Storage sources.. I have a small system 1200 Watts of panels and use 8 Duracel 6V Batteries, 2 connected in series for 12V then paralleled to form a 12V system bank. With this system, and for my area for solar days, I could produce up to 5.44 kW of power per day max. There are online calculators to figure all of this out. and I will post the links later on today.

          Question is How many panels do you have and what Watt rating? How much Watts total? And there are limits to how many strings of panels you can connect together for each array. I think it is something like 14 x 300 Watt panels per sting max, but that is for grid tied that I am aware of. Genius may know more about that for your specific needs. I think you bought a bunch like 20kW of panels? Let me know. That’s a total different type of battery storage bank system you will need. Let me dig back into my data and I will try to find a few sources, thaat you can check into for battery info.

          I am moving my solar array to a higher plat form coming up, and doing some component changes to it, getting a true sine wave inverter, which cleans the 120V output for sensitive electronics. I will post more info on this topic this weekend when I have a chance. Stay tuned.

          rellik, how about you post all your questions, and then we can all try to answer them. Thx. I am on a learning curve here also. So great discussion topic.

          • Genius says:

            relik, Like TSB says, post all your questions and maybe we can help. If you are looking at grid tie with battery backup Outback makes a 8k watt inverter that serves both grid tie and off grid uses. In a power outage it automatically switches to battery power from a 48 volt bank. The amount of panel wattage you can use in an MPPT controller depends on the voltage of your battery bank. For instance a 80 amp controller will handle about 1200 watts input at 12 volt output, 2400 watts at 24 volt output, 4800 watts at 48 volt output.

          • rellik says:

            TSB,
            I have 10.6 kW of panels.
            44 panels total 240 watts ea. 60 cell panels.
            I have an AIMS 24 Volt 6kW full sine wave 220 VAC
            split phase inverter.
            I selected the AIMS because it is field repairable
            and within my skill set to repair and program.
            I understand AIMS is not reliable, but
            I have the parts list, and the only weak
            part of the design is crappy capacitors,
            which I can easily replace.
            Outback is not as easily repaired.
            I will not be grid tied.
            I was looking at LiFePo4 batteries, but they are just too
            expensive. I’m looking for Rolls L16. 4 banks of 4.
            I’m a retired engineer. I have years of experience in electronics,
            but zero in solar and its pitfalls, I have had my design reviewed by other engineers and there are no squawks.
            I’m going to start to build my ground mount array in Sept or Oct.
            Batteries will be the last thing I buy.
            Admittedly my system is large, but I expect to bring it in under $20,000. and then get a subsidy for 30% of it.
            I do not agree with the subsidy, but it is the law, I’m a very law obedient guy, and I hate taxes.

            Questions-
            Best racking ideas?
            I’ve been told to avoid Uni-strut.
            I’m putting the panels on sheds that
            only serve as shade for cattle, mule, and a donkey.

            • Genius says:

              relik, Rolls are good batteries but right next to them for a much lower price try the US Battery HC XC L-16’s. They are about 270 a piece here and have 420ah capacity. It sounds like you are just doing roof mounting. Unirac makes a good system or for a more budget mount (I use these on my shed) try renogy z-mounts. They are pretty tough and low profile.

              ht tps://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Solar-Panel-Mounting-Z-Bracket-Mount-Supporting-for-RV-Roof-Boat/323359815871?hash=item4b49bf38bf:g:dEgAAOSwUAxbUwQN

              I have never seen any problems with Outback flexmax charge controllers. Just be sure and avoid xantrex / trojan / and whatever company xantrex sold out to.

              • TharSheBlows says:

                Here is my 100% All OFF GRID Solar set up. Is it perfect? Probably not, but works for me. This entire solar subject description cannot be put in a small block like this, but there are many online calculators as how to configure this and how to calculate the number of solar days for your area of the country, the right panel degree tilt for maximum solar collection, how much array wattage needed to accomplish the task plus some. But I would say for my BOL experiment this is what I have going and has been working pretty well. This powers a small fridge 24/7 fans, lights, radios, phone charging, power tools, a small A/C for a few hours here and there, and can help eliminate your electric bill.

                Cost about $4000. plus wiring, harnessing, connectors, etc. maybe an electrician to hook it up and construct it. Total maybe $5K

                1. Solar Panels:- Sonali UL 1703 The Company Manufactures Solar Modules, in compliance with global standards including MNRE, IEC 61215, 61730-1, 61730-2, 61701, UL 1703, ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 14001:2008& 18001:2007 I probably paid about $1 per Watt about 3 years go. $1200

                2. Combiner Box: with Fuse Switches and other misc On / Off switches. $150-$200

                3. Controller: Outback Flexmax 80 UL# FLEXmax charge controllers are Listed to UL 1741 and C22.2 No. 107.1. About $550

                4. Battery Bank: 8 x 6 Volt Duracell Ultra Built by Batteries Plus Part No. SLIGC110 20AH Cap 215; 105 Min@75Amps. About $950 Purchased at “Batteries Plus”

                5. Inverter: Aims 3000 Watt Pure Sine Power Inverter 12 VDC to 120 VAC- UL458 About $400

                6. Battery Bank Charger” Samlex 12 volt 30 amp Model: SEC1230A battery charger UL-STD-1564 About $200 I have this extra component, in case it is cloudy for several days, and I just plug this Samlex Battery Bank charger, into a portable Gas Generator, to keep the batteries charged up. Just run it for an hour or 2 and it charged the batteries up pretty good for the rest of the day.

                Ground Mount wood system, about $500 in materials.

                All of these components are UL certified, which is what a County Code Dept is looking for to acquire permitting for an Off Grid System. This system then feeds my small cottage fuse main breaker box. There is a lot more details including wire sizes and how to wire it, etc. But this will get ya started for under $5K including building a stand to mount it all on.

                If I was to do it again, I would probably upgrade the solar panels to more efficient panels. but hey, this is all been a several year experiment for me to see if I could really live off the grid. For other things like heating or cooking, I recommend propane gas as it is cheap and more efficient to heat things with propane, rather than solar which really drains a solar system. Automatic coffee pot uses like 800 to 1000 watts. Ridiculous. Boil your water via propane, then pour it over your coffee grinds for a hot cup of joe.

                rellik – I can’t find the battery info I had for large storage. I will keep looking and post it if I can. cheers!

                • Genius says:

                  TSB, Absolutely propane! I have a small ventless on demand water heater (about 160 bux at camping world) and a 4 burner stove/oven from an rv. A 100lb. tank (25 gallons) lasts me over a year with about 5 months occupancy. Use all LED lighting and small 110 volt fridges which run no problemo from solar. In fact it has been a year and a half since I changed my tank and it’s still going. All my lighting is 12 volt same with on demand water pump, radio equipment etc. I can shut off my inverter for over 24 hours and still have cold beer, food. The trick there is to freeze some blue plastic ice packs and before bed just put them in the lower part of the fridge (if it is seperate) and it keeps it cold a long time. In bad weather I shut off my back porch fridge (full of beer) and have cold beer for 2 days lol. Learn to conserve and use power efficient appliances and lighting and you will more than make up for it in solar system savings!

                  • Genius says:

                    Damn the price went down since I bought mine! These are great little units!

                    ht tps://www.campingworld.com/eccotemp-l5-portable-tankless-water-heater

                    take out the space in the t’s of course…

                  • Genius says:

                    112.00 and 5 star rated!

                  • TharSheBlows says:

                    Good info, and I was going to say those living on the grid, what I used to do here in FL was freeze water in like Gatorade containers in your unused freezer space, and if you had a brown out or power goes down like in a storm for a few days, then you have a few days of free ice you can put into your fridge, as you start eating your fridge perishables first. Then consolidate the rest of your fridge food into a big cooler with these ice containers. That works for the first 3 to 4 days of a power outage.

                    I been through plenty of hurricanes and power outages while on the grid, and these solid block ice containers really helped. I rarely ever threw out any food.. And watched my unprepared neighbors throw out garbage containers full of food.

                    And FYI, your fridge freezer runs more efficient when full and freezing ice adds too the efficiency, and has multiple advantages.

                  • TharSheBlows says:

                    Here are the propane products I am using.
                    Lowes product- Item # 849070 Model # REM-R150LM-F
                    Remington 15000-BTU Wall or Floor-Mount Liquid Propane Vent-Free Infrared Heater $199.00

                    Infrared technology is an affordable supplemental radiant heat that warms like the sun
                    • 15,000 BTU/hour – Heats up to 600 sq ft
                    • No electricity required – Provides heat during power outage

                    And here is the Tankless water heater I will use from Home Depot. Marley Model # GA10LPDP
                    Internet #204357327
                    Marley 3.1 Gal Per Minute LP Gas Digital Panel Tankless Water Heater
                    @– Home Depot $232.00

                    Both product are inexpensive and gets the job done for a small living space.

    7. Ghettocop says:

      Snyder said ABSOLUTE crash by the end of 2015. I don’t think there is anyone that knows less about the economy, much less predict what it will do than this guy. I do however, think he is very much a good liar and totally full of excrement.

    8. TharSheBlows says:

      Off topic. The Clinton Murder Blood trail continues.

      Investigative Journalist Found Dead in D.C. Hotel Room Weeks After Reporting Bill Clinton to FBI
      08-17-2018 • True Pundit

      Investigative Journalist Jen Moore was found dead in a suburban Washington D.C. hotel room Monday, according to police and shocked and distraught friends and colleagues.

      Moore died of an apparent seizure. Police are closely investigating the cause of death after former FBI Agent Robyn Gritz, a friend of Moore’s, made inquiries with homicide detectives Monday afternoon in Prince Georges County, Maryland. Preliminary reports from police said the death was not the result of suicide.

      Moore’s body was found by employees at the Country Inn & Suites by Radisson, Washington, D.C. East – in Capitol Heights, Maryland. The investigation is ongoing. An autopsy had not been scheduled as of late Monday.

      Moore, an advocate who investigated abused and trafficked children, had been in the process of investigating allegations by a 26-year-old man that — as a young boy — he was sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton and pimped out at private sex parties attended by other D.C. elites.

      In fact, just four weeks before her death, Moore filed details of the alleged victim’s claims with the Department of Homeland Security, detailing the allegations against Clinton. Moore contacted Homeland Security beginning on July 6th through July 9th, records show. A week later, she contacted the FBI with identical details about the victim and the shocking allegations against Clinton.

      FBI sources report no case has been opened on the evidence supplied by Moore. Homeland Security officials could not be reached for comment.

    9. Maranatha says:

      Actually if you look up some of the weed, what they actually can be are invasive non-native species. Our ancestors from Europe brought plants that were useful and cultivated them.

      So take chicory, it’s a plant brought over from France and when you roast the roots, you blend it with coffee, it adds a delicious flavor and it stretches the time you have coffee. They were frugal that way as coffee cannot be grown in America except for in the Kona Coast of Hawaii. You can start as a beginning prepper to harvest wild edibles by looking up how roast and add it in. If you have teenagers who enjoy coffee, this is an excellent activity, and then use a French Press to brew it as it’s the most likely way you would do this without electricity. Think about that. If this is so, then how many other plants can you think of to justify a French Press? Hint: hibiscus which is a delicious tea especially when sweetened and is your go to heart medicine when the SHTF.

      And then, why not make beignets which is the easy French fried doughnuts that go with it? I think you could make a great couple of homeschool lessons and do practical education. Any smart seven year old or the average nine year old can identify chichory. You could talk about how it was a common drink during the Civil War. It’s valuable to regulate breastmilk when not getting enough or having too much. It’s a fodder plant that was intentionally grown during colonial times. Think of it as a signature plant that shows where our ancesters trod.

      https://www.motherearthliving.com/plant-profile/herb-to-know-67

      Then discuss common plantain. It’s been a true friend to human beings since ancient times and was intentionally brought to the New World. It’s called soldier’s herb as it heals wounds by accelerating cellular growty, helps burns, mildly reduces pain, and is ubiquitous in my state and found in meadows everywhere.

      The Native American s called it “white man’s foot” as wherever our ancestors went, it was cultivated as a go to medicinal. The seeds can be eaten as well. It is easily identified by young children. It can be put on as a spit poultice. You actually should teach EVERY member of your family how to use it.

      Take honeysuckle. The reason it was brought here was meddling botanists in America were trying to find a plant to reduce erosion. Well, that worked but then nobody used it and just let it grow wild. And now, its sweet france is found all over my state, and only children partake of its delicious nectar. But it is a very valuable plant for making baskets and has medicinal uses I could tell you about, but instead, be a good critical thinker and YOU who are reading these words go look it up. Why? Because the only medicine you will have when the SHTF is the wild edibles and medicinal plants that YOU can identify. I reckon a five year old can identify honeysuckle.

      Did you realize that kudzu is an invasive plant for exactly the same reason? The dang meddlin’ botanists strike again! Yet it is valued in Asia as a very useful wild edible and medicinal plant. Every Southerner curses it because it grows so FAST that it will take over.

      Mint is that way. You never plant mint in your garden,but in a container because it will plum take over! Mint is not only for flavoring but to calm the stomach, put it in pillows to help people get some deep sleep, and is ideal to descent your hands while setting traps. I reckon you would wisely add mint leaves to your homemade soap after the SHTF because then it’s acting as a mild deodorant as well. It is often added to castille soap and is invigorating as it stimulates circulation of the blood and so massaged into the skin, say in cases of diabetes or general neuropathy, or just as an aid to balding as you rub it into the scalp.

      Use these plants. Eat the Weeds as wild edible expert Green Deane says. He has a youtube channel and a website that explains the 100 most common backyard plants. And though some of the videos are old and of lesser quality for it, you still can look these up and identify them.

      You are going to make cordage,not buy it, because it’s something your kids can do to help out around the house, and so they learn how to identify plants. And that is a base of information and a necessity for practical skills. Now, what plant grows near you, in sufficient amounts in your ecosystem to make it. Get to work!

    10. Chuck says:

      LOL, I am in debt, mortgage, student loans for my kids, and CC’s…I will go bankrupt, but I will not leave my house. They will have to carry me out in a body bag, along with many others. Just the way it’s gonna have to be I’m afraid.

    11. grandee says:

      “4 – Learn To Grow Your Own / Supplement Your Food:”

      this needs to be done yester year/ASAP

      I’ve been at the serious gardening thing for about 20yrs now and just four years ago think I actually have it where it needs to be to ward off starvation.

      If you think you can throw out seeds and live, you will die.

      It may take a few years to prepare the soil, to find out just what will grow in your plot, to build up your heirloom seed production, to build up a reserve in case the bugs and weather decimate your efforts, to learn to preserve what you do grow.

      So many things go wrong.

      Prep your souls

      • rellik says:

        Grand,
        I have a BIG problem with bugs.
        My wife can grow anything, I can only grow
        weeds,
        But we use a mix of Merit and Tempo
        to keep things under control.
        We use permethrin to wipe down our animals.
        One only wonders what was done before we
        made these chemicals. I suppose people
        starved.

        • Maranatha says:

          Not all bugs are bad. Many are gardeners’ best friends like wasps. Spiders eats many as well, as do preying mantis and lady bugs. Some people use these as biological pesticides.

          Some use diatoceamous earth as it’s crushed dead sea lifeforms and when certain garden pests cross it, it kills them. It’s analgous to shards of broken glass.

          Some people crush up various peppers that they grow in water and spray with this.

          Some plants naturally release compounds which repel insects like marigolds.

          You encourage the beneficial insects and discourage the ones you dislike.

      • grandee, agree grow your own is the best insurance for sure. I use zero chemicals always because i realized they are part of the problem and I do not want to ingest any of them. Not really much point in growing your own if it is chemical laced with fumigants, pesticides and supposed soil sterilants ? Far better to build up your soil so it has microbes that benefit the soil and plants. Also simply research the life cycle of any bugs you might encounter and control them by interrupting their life cycle without chemicals. There are many ways to do this like planting marigolds in abundance thru out your garden. Dig small holes and put your kitchen garbage in it and lay cardboard of over it and keep it slightly most. This will attract all the earwigs and rolly pollys and then you simply kill them by the thousands with a solution of water, a small amount of dish soap and vinegar in a spray bottle. They die instantly, the spray mixture is harmless to plants or soil and more will return soon enough and it keeps them off your plants and under control easily, especially the young plants sprouting. Just by laying pieces of cardboard and keeping the ground moist is also a good trap to kill them off and control the population. I rarely get any aphids or any other bugs at all because I know chems actually create the problem not solve it. I have many bees/wasps and insects like mantis and certain beetles that eat up all the plant eaters. I nurture them and plant species they are attracted to. I would never kill them all off ! Same exact thing as humans taking pharma and antibiotics and killing off all their good bacteria in their intestinal tract and listening to doctors and thinking they are creating health ? The exact opposite is true ! But hey, Americans are some slow thinkers ! Why do you suppose 75% are fat or obese and create all of their own heath issues ? Everything is always about how we think and then act on it, always.

        • rellik says:

          DET,
          Any suggestions on how to control flies on may cattle, lice on my chickens, or lawn fleas on my fruit trees?? Just curious.

          • Maranatha says:

            Believe it or not, the best way to deal with flies is trapping them. You take a jar with water and manure in it, suspend black plastic with a small hole in it, and then make a hole in the lid. The flies smell the stinky manure as it gets ripe, movepast the hole in the plastic, and end up unable to fly out and drown in the stinky water.

            It sounds to simple, but these are extremely effective. If you look on youtube, there are videos on it. If you don’t take care of flies, they’ll bite livestock and pets’ ears so much that they’ll have open wounds…and end up laying eggs, and soon you’ll have maggots.

            Find where the maggots are on your property. Obviously you have to deal with that as well.

    12. Maranatha says:

      A simple fly trap.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1SV4Tg_CZE
      The goal is knock out two generations to vastly reduce numbers. Cover your garbage and pick up cow pies and dry them for fuel to burn later after dessication.

    13. Maranatha says:

      I bet most of you didn’t bother to look up the medicinal uses for honeysuckle, but the one in a hundred who did, now is greatly empowered to treat all kinds of common signs and symptoms.

      Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink.

      For the same people who looked up honeysuckle…

      When the SHTF, your primary issues are shelter and water. You have shelter needs as exposure to the weather and dangerous elements can end up making you sick. And unless totally sedentary, you need water to mantain consciousness as water is crucial for your body’s biochemical processes.

      Now, if running out of food, how can you best maintain your food rations to make them last?

      As most Americans have inadequate muscle mass but plenty of fat, you want to INDUCE lipolysis but not encourage gluconeogenesis.

      Your body needs adequate blood sugar to maintain consciousness. Cut it too low under work and you will get hypoglycemia and pass out.

      You want to induce plateauing. The same irritating aspect that makes weight difficult to lose, can be induced as a survival mechanism as YHWH intended. Our ancestors routinely relied upon this plateauing to survive.

      You front load the work prior to a collapse situation by having adequate stores of materials like water and firewood and food supplies so that you can coast into winter as they did too.

      Only fools did work in winter with the inevitable dwindling food supplies.

      If your blood sugar is adequate, then the body will not perform gluconeogenesis which is the catalysis (breakdown) of muscle to create sugar and ketone bodies. Instead, your body will breakdown FAT that is stored so you have adequate ENERGY to do work. But you are smart and are prepared and vastly reduce activity.

      This is the way people who were diabetic managed their illness before insulin was available. They ate higher fat diets and ate less carbs. This is called a ketgenic diet. And then under the effects of winter, maintained blood sugar so it didn’t swing low, reduced activity, and lived off of fat reserves to create energy.

      This same process is what the successful participants do on the Alone tv series. They do as much work as possible while warm to gather materials, then rest as much as possible when winter hits and live off of fat reserves.

      This is why famous comprehensive survival manuals like the ones the LDS community utilizes (which I am not a member of but recognize the intelligence that went into it…at least nutritionally) suggests by an unusually high amount of sugar sources.

      You eat an increasing amount of food in this pattern: start low say 800 calories times two days, 1200-1400 calories for two days, 1800 calories for two days, then a normal diet. Your body sees an increasing amount of food and thus it plateaus weight loss. And you are eating adequate sugar as carbs to just meet normal blood sugar. What you lack is adequate calories under work, but if were smart, you are mostly resting, and so instead of losing muscle mass, your body burns FAT.

      This is a way to significantly ration your food without terrible hunger. It makes it tolerable. It also helps psychologically as the food rations grow, before you cycle back. It means you have good days of higher calories if work has to be done as well. You time your work on those higher calorie days.

      If your tribe was very disciplined, you can stagger this plan into two teams so that there is always someone who has eaten enough to do heavy work for brief periods of time in winter. Ideally, no difficult labor is done during winter.

      Only the worst fools had inadequately stored firewood, water, and food, and went out into the cold and snow looking. That meant exposure on purpose which is moronic and dangerous.

      Bugging out in winter equals death.

      • Maranatha says:

        The standard answer is you need water every 72 hours, but this is contingent upon levels of activity. Heavy activity in desert situations and based on history and combat shows that those heavily hydrated are superior soldiers versus the opposite.

        But under extreme sedentary conditions,in almost a comatose state, people have survived without water for a week. In some cases, even longer but with severe deliterious effects. Look up cases of human survival in cars under freezing conditions.

    14. Maranatha says:

      It always surprises me to see people on the Alone tv series fishing from the bank by using a reel. In history, that is the least effective method.

      Now they used fishing traps and trot lines and they netting to catch some based on the ebb and flow of the tides. At least these are smarter practical methods.

      But realize that the Alone series starts very late and is not at all like the indigenous in these regions would have done in history. That’s because it’s “reality tv” and you see 1% of the footage and it’s based upon seeing the “human drama” from postmodern people struggling.

      What did people use in history? Castnets to do fishing. This is what you would use to get fish and shrimp.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2-h0Iza2hQ
      It’s the only logical way to maximize fishing. If catching fish as they flow by in “schools” then you could also set up a net on a pulley system off the opposite bank and sweep for fish as well.

      Look up the amount of calories in a local fish in your region and then how many would you have to eat to get the minimum 2000 calories a day? A LOT. That’s why you are using a castnet because you can’t waste all day as you are getting firewood and water and wikd edibles and checking your traps and then returning and looking for scat and checking the trot lines, etc.

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