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    White House Study Finds Guns Save Lives: “Consistently Lower Injury Rates Among Gun Using Crime Victims”

    Mac Slavo
    June 27th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    Though statistics prove time and again that disarming a free people leads to more violent crime and the potential for mass government democide, it hasn’t stopped President Barrack Obama and his Congressional entourage from doing everything in their power to make it more difficult for Americans to legally own firearms.

    Citing the Sandy Hook mass shooting last year, democrats on the hill have claimed that we must restrict gun ownership and strip the Second Amendment for the safety of our children and the general public.

    But a new report commissioned by the White House titled Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-related Violence suggests what many self defense gun proponents have been saying for years. The report, ordered under one of President Obama’s 23 Executive Orders signed in the wake of the Sandy Hook incident, asked the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the National Research Council and other federal agencies to identify the “most pressing problems in firearms violence.”

    To the surprise of the authors and those who would no doubt have used the report to further restrict access to personal defense firearms, the study found that gun ownership actually saves lives and those who have a firearm at their disposal improve their chances of survival and reduce their chance of injury in the event they are confronted by a violent criminal:

    Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…

    The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

    A different issue is whether defensive use of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self protective strategies.

    Full Study available at the National Academy of Sciences

    Via: Blacklisted News / Story Leak

    Consider that 3 million people use a gun to defend themselves from harm every year. This means that over 8,000 Americans every day act with potentially deadly force to prevent injury or death to themselves or a family member.

    In addition to overwhelming evidence that owning a gun reduces your chances of injury when attacked, regardless of whether you fire your gun or not, the new report proves that there has been a decades’ long obfuscation of national statistics that have been used to determine the importance of guns in self defense. Up until this study became available, anti-gun politicians often cited figures that indicated that just 108,000 people a year used guns in self defense. The new study suggests that those numbers were off by over 2500%.

    The new White House report coupled with evidence from Australia, Britain and Canada shows that reduction of personal gun ownership is a road to more violence, injury and death.

    The President commissioned this study in the hopes of finding a reason to take more guns from law abiding Americans.

    What it found, however, is that the answer to gun violence in America is… arming more Americans.

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    1. MayBeSo says:

      Well….In my best “Gomer Pyle” styling,

      “Suprise, Suprise Suprise.”

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        • Gods Creation says:

          Of course, this “report” will likely never been seen on the MSM propaganda shows (not to be confused in any way with News or reality).

          I would bet that 99% of those whose lives were saved or injury avoided NEVER had to fire it. The threat alone is what makes one safer. That’s the real reason cops carry them. Most never fire them in the line of duty because the threat stops criminals no matter who holds the gun.

          Nothing will make a criminal coward run quicker than the threat of being shot during his crime. Even if the criminal is an officer of the corp. Code enforcers beware of the awakened people.

          One day very soon the corp officer trying to enforce it’s codes will feel the threat. It’s is a 100% certainty that they will think twice before taking unlawful action against those who protect their rights by offering up an equal threat to them that they bring to the scene of their crimes.

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          • OutWest says:

            I know this has been said before, but bears repeating:

            “God created man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.”

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              WASHINGTON — Citing a series of fatal malfunctions dating back to 1777, flag manufacturer Annin & Company announced Monday that it would be recalling all makes and models of its popular American flag from both foreign and domestic markets.

              Representatives from the nation’s leading flag producer claimed that as many as 143 million deaths in the past two centuries can be attributed directly to the faulty U.S. models, which have been utilized extensively since the 18th century in sectors as diverse as government, the military, and public education.

              “It has come to our attention that, due to the inherent risks and hazards it poses, the American flag is simply unfit for general use,” said Annin & Company president Ronald Burman, who confirmed that the number of flag-related deaths had noticeably spiked since 2003. “I would like to strongly urge all U.S. citizens: If you have an American flag hanging in your home or place of business, please discontinue using it immediately.”

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            • Grasshopper says:

              Ha, ha, ha! and that includes women! : )

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          • GODS CREATION,I don’t want to ruin your day,but you know ,THE LORD said I gave you a sound mind,HERES the problem,police gang members don’t have a sound mind,THEY are not hired to be rocket scientists,their hired to do what their told,EVEN IF IT CAUSES THE DEATH of their own family,they don’t have the ability to see it,stupid is the reason their hired,NOW WITH THAT IN MIND,get ready,americas being INVADED as we speak and RED DAWN is next ,and the police gangs WILL BE HELPING THEM…do not trust any police gang member,or government offical,they all work for lucifer………………

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            • Mordacai says:

              Have you ever noticed people want what they can’t have. Take twinkies for example. Most haven’t eaten a twinkie in years yet when they say you can’t have it, everyone wants one. The elite want us to destroy each other. I have seen people who have never shot a gun now purchasing them. If they want you to eat McDonald’s frenchfries, all they have to do is ban them. The pot is being stirred so war can win out. Soon, preppers, government, Russia and others will gladly give you weapons and ammo to your hearts content if you pledge to help them in their cause. I’m not against guns but those that fight with the sword, die with the sword. If your dependance is on weapons and not God you will not escape. Our real enemny is not flesh and blood.

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              • Mordacai says:

                Contentment comes from wanting what you have, and having what you want. Phil 4;11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

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                • BackSpace says:

                  and Twinkies

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                • JayJay says:

                  Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.

                  Exodus 22:2
                  “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

                  Nehemiah 4 17 Those who were rebuilding the wall and those who carried burdens took their load with one hand doing the work and the other holding a weapon. 18 As for the builders, each wore his sword girded at his side as he built, while the trumpeter stood near me. … 21 So we carried on the work with half of them holding spears from dawn until the stars appeared. …. 23 So neither I, my brothers, my servants, nor the men of the guard who followed me, none of us removed our clothes, each took his weapon even to the water.

                  Luke 11:21
                  “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his palace, his possessions are safe.”

                  Luke 22:35-38, NIV)
                  Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied.

                  And Lastly:
                  Esther 8:11-12 11 By these letters the king permitted the Jews who were in every city to gather together and protect their lives — to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province that would assault them, both little children and women, and to plunder their possessions…

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              • Mordacai, it is not us who live by the sword, it is them and eventually they will perish by it. We have laws in America, a Constitution and Bill of Rights; evil men cannot abrogate those God given rights. The Constitution says tyrannical leaders can be resisted and replaced. This is the “Laws of the Land” in which we live. If you do not wish to honor your oath to God and Country your a coward! All you dispensational buttheads that gave us Zionism and Neo-Con AH can go pound sand! Jesus Christ came to give us life and Peter didn’t get it! Jesus rebuked him. You used a sword to kill or discourage attackers at the time of Jesus. You are double minded and say your not against guns but your word betray your agenda! Wake up and use the mind God gave you! When they make ungodly laws and force us to abide by them; when they deny Jesus Christ and God the Father then the hell with them because they know better; they are bringing the battle to us not us to them and we are to defend ourselves, our family, our nation and our honor! You are very subtle in what you imply which is treachery and deceit.

                Mather Henry: Not that the law of Christ overthrows either the law of nature of the law of nations, as far as those warrant subjects to stand up in defence of their civil rights and liberties, and their religion, when it is incorporated with them;

                We know we are battling evil, we can touch it feel it closing in on us, our family and our community. We did not as for it and we do not live by the sword as the beast and whore does!

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                • Mordacai says:

                  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. This has always been one of my dilemmas. I’ve been a fighter all my life. I have the knocks to prove it. I can only go by what God is teaching me. When I want to fight, He seems to step back and let me wail away. When I turn to Him, He fights for me. Again this may be a lesson for me. I came from a very violent past. I don’t know what I will do. I have learned to back down from most things, yet still have not overcome someone cramming a finger in my face…Usually I can see trouble coming and use a different route. The problem here is which side is really right. One side wants to dominate the other for power to do what they want to do. The other side is basically looking for the same thing, for freedom to follow what they want. Above I said that those that rely on the sword will perish by it. If your faith is in your strength you will fail. Paul did not fight the evil, even though he was stoned 3 times. Jesus never got mad when they attacked him, however He got really angry when they turned His Father’s house into a house of merchandice and took advantage of those that came to worship. As of now I will seek peace.

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              • James McDonald says:

                Our fathers had a bible in one hand and a gun in the other, You want freedom? better be ready to fight for it as people who think they know how you should live come and tell you!

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                • Laslow says:

                  I’ve never understood the mindset of the pacifist. They are, almost by definition, good people. Yet they don’t realize a world filled with true pacifists and one army of killers would be able to kill all the good people on the planet.

                  If you want the world to be filled with good, sometimes you must stand against the evil. Not to understand this and to be a pacifist in the face of the evil we see is a fatal flaw, unscriptural IMHO, fundamentally illogical, dangerous, delusional and won’t work worth a shit.

                  Other than that, I guess it’s worth a shot.

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              • sixpack says:

                I’d rather die while standing up using my sword, than on my knees with somebody else’s sword rammed in my unarmed chest…

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            • Raylan Givens says:

              I hate to clue you in my friend, but “Red Dawn” happened in Nov. 2008 when The Communist (Barack Hu-satan Obummer) took the White House.

              Before then it was asymmetrical warfare where they infiltrated our schools, media, and both Houses of Congress.

              Now our culture/government based on our Christian Faith is being replaced by the Godless religion of Marx, Lenin, Castro, Mao, Ho, Mandela, Chavez, and Obutthole.

              D.C. is bought lock, stock, and barrel by the Saudis, so much so that we are risking a nuclear war with Russia to destroy their Shite enemies in Iran through a “civil war” in Syria.

              Think about this: YOU MAY OWN 100 RIFLES AND 10,000 ROUNDS OF AMMO,BUT THEY WILL DO YOU NO GOOD IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO USE THEM NOW TO PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM OR THE CONSTITUTION.

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              • Gods Creation says:

                “””D.C. is bought lock, stock, and barrel by the Saudis”””

                The Saudi’s have no stake in DC other than gaining the banksters protection for selling their oil in exchange for worthless paper and thereby forcing the the world to use it. They will soon sell out when the US can no longer protect them, a day not far off.

                The US, (owned lock, stock, and barrel by the international banksters who stole the country and perverted the Law through fraud), attacks anyone that refuses a central bank owned by the same banksters, and they are getting ready to attack the people of the US when they wake up enough to know their money is nothing more than toilet paper with fancy deigns on it, and a symbol of their own slavery.

                The Godless religion is that of the Banksters, not their puppets. It appears you are trying to wake up, but are somewhere between barely understanding and totally lost.

                No offense meant, but your understanding of the problems will most certainly lead to an attack against the puppets, which is exactly the aim of the banksters.

                Understand the enemy, and why they are the enemy, before it is too late for you to do us any good in the fight. You can’t fight for freedom already lost unless you fully understand who took it and how to get it back by the simple act of removing them from the face of the planet using the power of our numbers compared to theirs.

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              • SD Mule says:

                Raylan,
                It happened long before 2008!!

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            • Gods Creation says:

              arizona, you cant ruin my day nor can you make it.

              You are right that the corp seeks those with the most questionable personality traits to be on it’s team. If your IQ is high, you will not pass the psych test they give. The companies and corp that use them are mislead as to their purpose and what they REALLY say about the person they hire. So yes, it is full of idiots who are not smart enough to know what they serve.

              However, no matter how dumb somebody is it will get to a point where the truth can not be hidden from even the dumbest of them. When the corp orders the average moron to kill his friend or neighbor for nothing, many will wake up and refuse.

              Those who follow through are mentally disordered, not dumb. They will die because of that. But hopefully, the ones who suddenly became a little less dumb will still remember their alarm codes and location of those in power with the mental disorders.

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            • Cornfused says:

              Arizona: You’re, not your, obviously not a rocket scientist my friend. And you’re , not your, certainly not a grammarian either. It’s here’s for here is, not heres the problem. It’s they’re for they are, not their (3x) hired, told, hired… . And it’s America is (capital A), not americas being… . Finally, it’s not lucifer, but Lucifer (capital L), because it’s a proper name. I may not be a star grammarian, but I’m light years ahead of you pal. You sound as dense as those cops you seem to hate. Are you a cop too?

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        • MAC,america is under a full blown invasion ,RIGHT NOW,please start warning everyone to get ready,america is about to see blood running down every street in america,call steve quayle,he’ll tell you whats happening……………..

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          • Them Guys says:

            Arizona: No need to call Quale. I seen TWO Fully armed Aircraft Carrier Ships, and 16 Battle Ships on Lake Huron!

            They had Chineese and Russian flags a flyin! and get This! On board the carrier decks in Plain sight were at least 3000 ARAB Soldiers!!

            So assist us by going back to sleep and see if you get another “vision” dream so to tell us all what this may mean …Thanks for any advive you can give.

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          • Call Steve Quayle? Really, that man is a Zionist shill and runs with the dog pack and thinks he an inside track to God. He has put out sooooo much disinfo it is not funny! All he does is pick other peoples brains…He is an arrogant ass*%^&. Beware…go buy his gold and his $3,000.00 night vision crap…he is a salesman and blowhard. He never changed or repented.

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        • lower40 says:

          love it

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        • Anonymous says:

          usmc u.s. marine gomer pyle was a rifle barrel smokin’ fox hole boy fairy .

          ;0p

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      • durango kidd says:

        My friend Jonny V says that you should have a gun for every personality. I agree and so do the rest of me. :-)

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        • Jonny V says:

          And one for both hands of each personality too!, You know, in case you go cross-eyed or something!!! :)

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          • durango kidd says:

            Gold is at $1200 My Peeps! back up the truck!!! :-)

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            • Facebook Page says:

              I smell 900

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              • Jonny V says:

                900?!, who cares? Silver’s only $18.84………..BUY!!!!!!

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              • durango kidd says:

                Gold dipped to $1185 as I read the chart at kitco today for NY Spot, and has recovered to $1232. Most analysts would sell their mother on the Street to be that accurate when making the call for $1200 when it was over $1700 last Fall and the Chinese had apparently put a floor under gold at $1500.

                $900? No way Jose. :-)

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              @durango kidd

              You said in an earlier post that it was prudent to “store ten dollar bills in number ten cans?”

              So which is it DK? Gold or Paper. You seem a bit confused!

              If paper will be king, [deflation] why would you prep for gold? As the price of gold would plummet in such a scenario.

              ???

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              • Jonny V says:

                YMWW…I’ll help you out here a little bit….The whole line about storing $10 bills in #10 cans is a bit of an “inside joke” that “old timers” run on rookies, rubes, and villagers……

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                • Jonny V says:

                  It’s so you’ll have something to wipe your ass with….

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  So that was a “joke?” Right… nice spin.

                  “The current economic danger is DE-flation. In a deflationary spiral, money becomes valuable, thus Mushroom’s advice to store ten dollar bills in number ten cans.

                  Your money will be worthless because YOU do not have any!” ~ Durango Kidd

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                • Jonny V says:

                  I think it’s funny anyway. I don’t see any reason that any deflationary spiral is ever going to appear. Been to a gas station or grocery store lately? Prices are going through the roof and when the debt-based economy finally takes a giant shit, paper money will be useful to wipe your ass with and that’s about it…

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              • Fema camp fun says:

                I have enough gold and silver even at a lower price to buy a retirement place in the country were I’d have firewood, well water, deer, turkey.

                Maybe Paula Deen will visit and say..
                Hey.. N….. Nice trailer.

                The new Witch hunt….for whites that use the N word.

                Let’s all start saying..

                HEY NEGRO…..WILL THAT FLY?

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                • MadMarkie says:

                  I used to supervise the “phased-replacement” of already existing schools. As such, we were always working in close proximity to students. In many cases, the schools were predominately black.

                  Has anyone here had the opportunity to hear young blacks, especially young black males, speaking to one another on a daily basis? They begin using the ‘N-word’ on one another early in the day and use it in at least every other sentence all damn day long. FOR A RACE OF PEOPLE, WHO ALL SAY THAT THEY REALLY HATE THIS PARTICULAR WORD ……. THEY ALL SEEM TO USE IT REGULARLY AND FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY!

                  While it seems to be perfectly correct and OK for blacks to call white folks any damn name that they feel like, and black people use the ‘N-word’ amongst themselves all day long, they all become universally enraged whenever a white person uses this word. Can anyone say double-standard here??? Like, if you hate this word so fucking much, then why do you use it so frequently?

                  I, myself, personally don’t discriminate against the decent people of any race. I will, however, shoot any asshole of any color the instant that I perceive them to be a threat to my family or I. I’m what I like to call an “affirmative action, equal opportunity bigot.” I dislike most people that I meet these days irrespective of their race, creed, color, religion, sexual orientation. Honestly??? The more people that I meet; the better that I like my dog.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Your Mama: If you cannot afford gold, store ten dollar bills in number ten cans. Deflation and a subsequent deflationary spiral is the great risk: not hyperinflation; particularly now as we move into the second leg down. Gold and dollars are not mutually exclusive as you have suggested. Both can increase in value in real terms.

                Hyperinflation would be caused by too many dollars in the hands of the consumer chasing too few goods. That won’t happen because the FED can contract the money supply if inflation picks up.

                A deflationary spiral was generated by Free Trade as lower wages and benefits for American workers has decreased the amount of disposable income for the 90% of Americans who hold only 10% of the wealth. Illegal immigration would exacerbate that trend for another 12 to 20 years if it passes.

                Prep for gold because it is fungible the world over and is a universal store of wealth that will be very valuable on the other side of the Changes. Silver will be useful too, but gold is the money of kings and central bankers.

                I got MINE. Get one. :-)

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      • Chico says:

        Well, you just ran an article that Obama was the best gun salesman ever.

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      • KY Mom says:

        85% of Cops Don’t Believe Gun Control Works, 86% Want MORE Civilians Armed.

        “The left will ignore this poll and do their best to hide it from the public…”

        http://patriotaction.net/forum/topic/show?id=2600775%3ATopic%3A6176060&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

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        • Shootit says:

          “I have a very strict policy on gun control: If there’s a gun around, I want to be the one controlling it!” ~ Clint Eastwood

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        • Indy Colts says:

          KY Mom
          I don’t believe that stat because every cop I see interviewed says people don’t need to be armed because it only makes more issues for them. They believe people can use the phone not a firearm. Cops are not on our side but there are some good ones like everything else in life…. except muslims like ninao.

          I would really like to meet some of the people on here like eisencrap and ninao because I’m sure they are some keyboard gangsters LOL

          I still got love for you KY mom; I just don’t believe cops want us armed.

          Watch your six and carry a big stick!!

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          • Shootit says:

            Indy, Do you live in a big city? Usually they are more anti-gun. All my local LEO’s support our rights to bare arms. Many of them are personal friends and know that I always have one handy.

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            • Indy Colts says:

              I’m in a suburb of a big city but our cops are pricks that harass people. One night I was leaving the house and seen a guy was pulled over standing at the back of his car cuffed. The cops were yelling at him, jerking him all over the place.

              I rolled down my window to say something because he was clearly being mistreated and they quickly got him in the back of the car.

              This isn’t a Mayberry country and just because your cops are good ole boys that you share a drink with doesn’t mean cops aren’t the ones that will bring the police state to the republic.

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              • Shootit says:

                Yes, many will take part in violating our God given rights, but have a reasonable amount of respect for our current LEO’s. That can always change.

                One of my neighboring counties have some bad apples. I ended up filing a complaint because of their actions with the State Attorney General and still considering litigation. They tried to intimidate me because of the complaint. Intimidation didn’t work.

                I am glad that I live in Mayberry.

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                • Prescott says:

                  Shootit: That’s one of the main reasons I moved to a rural county where guns are a part of many folk’s lives. In the bigger cities folks go out to eat and attendant various entertainment venues. Here folks hunt and fish for fun and no one thinks it’s odd, unlike those living in big cities who will die WTSHTF. I, for one, am certainly glad to be out of a major metro area (6 million).

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              • CrabbeNebulae says:

                Cops will not forsake their salary for our freedoms. They are cowards and will not forsake their safety for ours. Cops are hired and owned by cowards and big shot government pricks to protect the government.

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              • Mordacai says:

                Good cops are being run out. To be a cop you must back the other “brothers” that you work with. Police are now paid to collect revenue for bankrupt cities. If you have a cheif of police that dosn’t want to mandate a certain amount of ticket issuing or other revenue collecting, he is replaced. The chief than must force those under him to perform. If what resists he is quickly replaced. Judges are in the same boat.

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            • Outlaw says:

              Glad they support the right to “bare” arms! It gets hot down here in the plains during the summer. I’d throw a fit if I could t wear my sleaveless t-shirts. ;D

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            • Really I am tired of the ‘good cop, bad cop’ posts. For years they have all been trampling on our Civil Rights and our Constitution. Every one of the nincompoops could have quit but they did not as they saw the system become more and more corrupt. All the moral and upright law enforcement men have been drummed out by now. If your really believe the ones now in office will help you, you are in for a rude awakening. However if you live in a predominantly Godly county or rural area you may be blessed with a good one. The city cops are un-redeemable. This also applies to career military and government brown nosers. To say there are some good ones is akin to saying, well not all of Soviet Commissars were really that bad, really? Wake up…make the tree all good or all bad…get the hell on one side or the other you lukewarm hypocrites. Fear God and worship him or go worship your devils, we are watching and so is God!

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              • Shootit says:

                Not lukewarm. Just case by case. I am not sure about everyone that works in the neighborhood. Know the Sheriff, Lt. State Patrol, and couple of underlings on all the departments. My preps do not add up to my faith. God is where my heart lies. Worst case I will be sitting with him.

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          • 10mm says:

            It’s the big city\urban police chiefs who are politicians first.Most avg cops support gun rights.

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            • SD Mule says:

              10mm,
              I have to disagree.

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            • Shootit says:

              Right now that is the situation where we live. You may live in a city and that is your problem. The guys that run this county are friends of 20+ years, their kids are my kids friends. Our wives are friends, we go to the same Church, have the same pastor. It is possible to take control of a geographical area by getting to know your neighbors. I have been an elected official and could be once again. Take personal control of you situation. That is what Prepping is all about. It’s not just about water, food, money, and guns. It is about relationships with your family, friends, neighbors, and God.

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              • Indy Colts says:

                I have no desire to live in the woods with a septic tank. I’m in between 2 big cities and my house is far enough away from those cities I believe I’ll be ok if SHTF. GOD will protect and he’s still in control. I’m not going to dig a hole and wait for the end. Thats not my idea of a fulfilling life. To each his own and whatever works for you works for you.

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                • The Cooking Mom says:

                  Hey ….I live in a cabin in the woods with a septic tank…it’s awesome!

                  Keep preppin’

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                • Shootit says:

                  We don’t live in the woods, just the middle of a corn field and have our own well and septic tank, plus an alternate acreage along a river. The acreage was purchased for recreation(camping, hunting, fishing, swimming) 12 years ago, but could double as another place to hang our hat. I am not telling you to move or all is lost because of this or that. I was just trying to inform everyone that not all LEO’s are bad, get to know them, especially your Sheriff.

                  PS. I grew up in Rockford/Chicago area and have no desire to move back to that rats nest. We have one stop light in our county. Pop. density is 15 per square mile vs. 5400 in Chicago.

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          • James McDonald says:

            The police show up just to clean up the mess! You will already be dead and robbed! You have to protect yourself! How many crimes have been stopped by the police vs number stopped by armed people at least 1,000,000 to 1!!!!

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            • Central TX Mom says:

              @ James McDonald, Exactly, a t-shirt on Cafe’Press says “When SECONDS count, the police are only MINUTES away”. That’s one of my favorites. My other favorite is “Due to the rising cost of ammo, there will be no warning shots”.

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      • you hit that straight on the head

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      • DRD5508 says:

        This won’t make the msm but it is nice to read about since the czar commissioned what most already knew.

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      • Anonymous says:

        The CDC found the same result when Clinton was pResident. Nothing new here for anyone who has been paying attention and cares for the truth.

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      • possee says:

        we already knew these facts

        ..and coming from the white house

        screw em..

        they are pandering and placating us..

        something far more nefarious is at play here Mac..

        screw em..again.

        possee

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    2. ScoutMotto says:

      Two Colorado senators are up for recall now. I wish it was three.

      Tanner gun show in Denver, this weekend. Last show before the Great Colorado Tyrannical Magazine Ban of 2013 takes effect.

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    3. As been said so many times..
      An armed society is a polite society..this proves that to be true

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    4. BigHog says:

      Duh? We already know this. This study will be discarded and they will just rant about Sandy Hook, and find or twist a fact around until it benefits their argument. F’em.

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    5. Anonymous says:

      OMG! This is my surprised look…no really it is! WOW! Who knew…right! I was just about to turn all my guns in for a buy back program offering a $5 dollar gift card at Dairy Queen for each gun… but now no way!

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    6. Be informed says:

      Without American guns, Japan would have invaded the U.S west coast during WW2. Without American firearms the country as we know it has no chance of continuing. Long live the 2nd. Amendment.

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      • Paranoid says:

        In one place it will survive at least as long as I do. Beyond that I have no control, Molon Labe.

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      • KY Mom says:

        Gun Laws and the Fools of Chelm
        By David Mamet
        (originally printed in Newsweek)

        “The Founding Fathers, far from being ideologues, were not even politicians. They were an assortment of businessmen, writers, teachers, planters; men, in short, who knew something of the world, which is to say, of Human Nature.

        Their struggle to draft a set of rules acceptable to each other was based on the assumption that we human beings, in the mass, are no damned good—that we are biddable, easily confused, and that we may easily be motivated by a Politician, which is to say, a huckster, mounting a soapbox and inflaming our passions.

        The Constitution’s drafters did not require a wag to teach them that power corrupts: they had experienced it in the person of King George. The American secession was announced by reference to his abuses of power: “He has obstructed the administration of Justice … he has made Judges dependant on his will alone … He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws … He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass out people and to eat out their substance … imposed taxes upon us without our consent … [He has] fundamentally altered the forms of our government.”

        “Violence by firearms is most prevalent in big cities with the strictest gun laws. In Chicago and Washington, D.C., for example, it is only the criminals who have guns, the law-abiding populace having been disarmed, and so crime runs riot.

        Cities of similar size in Texas, Florida, Arizona, and elsewhere, which leave the citizen the right to keep and bear arms, guaranteed in the Constitution, typically are much safer. More legal guns equal less crime. What criminal would be foolish enough to rob a gun store? But the government alleges that the citizen does not need this or that gun, number of guns, or amount of ammunition.”
        http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/01/28/gun-laws-and-the-fools-of-chelm-by-david-mamet.html

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      • Chip says:

        Well BI I am afraid that the country “as we know it” has no chance of continuing anyway. But this was one positive data point in a sea of deteriorating story lines…

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Yea well obammy wants us disarmed, on NPR they ran a clip of him talking about how he had felt like he belonged in Kenya, well duh, wish he would never be able to leave there, but unfortunately……
        He mentioned something about the USA helping Africa, how about taking care of our own country and problems first, stupid fucking donkey.
        NOMI
        MOLON LABE

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    7. Luther says:

      Something is wrong here, no not the report, that’s right. Does anyone else think it’s odd he’d let a report that goes against his agenda get out UN doctored?

      Just a thought

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      • PenCRNA says:

        He’s gonna say those 3 million Americans could make a mistake and shoot an innocent person. He’ll find a way to twist it and turn it inside out for the libertard drinking the koolaid.

        I was just reading yesterday’s posts, and want to add in, more and more people have had enough and are waking up. This year I got chickens, and I usually start talking about my ladies to get the conversation going. Raising chickens is the ‘new rage’ in communicut. People ask me why I have chickens. So I start in on knowing where my food comes from, being able to feed my family if stores close down. Folks just don’t know there is only about 3 days of food in the market. They find that amazing. I ease them into the scenarios of our October snowstorm in 2011, hurricane sandy, and our recent blizzards to make the point of how everyone should have at a minimum 2 weeks of food, a small genny, water, and alternative light and heat sources. On that scale they don’t think it’s crazy.

        But more an more are gearing up for shtf. I am hopeful more convert, but I’m not sure it will be enough.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          People still think fema and obummer will save them if anything happens, what ever happened to common sense and self reliance.
          Poof! Gone,

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          • PenCRNA says:

            @kulafarmer….right on with that statement. Too few prep, and that attitude is very prevalent in New England until recently, because we don’t routinely have to worry about natural disasters (I hate to say it, but mostly it’s conservatives waking up). 1 mile from my house is a rundown neighborhood across the river from my home. I could walk to work, but I have to pass this neighborhood that is one street over from main street. That neighborhood is overrun with sex offenders, and occasionally you see pushers and a hooker or two on the main street. Cops keep them off main street mostly. But they are there, waiting for their chance to hang on those corners. The soup kitchen is also there and the homeless turned out from the state mental hospital 4 miles away eat there. But I see them coming my way if SHTF.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Definitely a concern, hear ya, we have LOTS of folks here whose idea of prepping is buying enough beer and crack for a long weekend! One of the biggest issues is that folks just dont have respect anymore, nor do they live in reality, its all this wierd jersey shores, kardashian bad girls club bachelor haze, i personally dont get it, we always lived in the country so always had lots of food and other supplies on hand because you could never tell what could happen, but sadly that just isnt the case for everyone, too many think costco will always be there!

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          • James McDonald says:

            Anyone one who knows you prepped will be knocking at your door! You won’t turn away a friend Right!? You will have inform your friend its for your family and watch him turn from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde right in front of you! He will go from begging to demanding “HIS” share of your food! It will happen!

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    8. RickE. says:

      So where’s the response from the Obama administration??
      My guess is that there will be NO response will be forthcoming. The mainstream media probably won’t either, as they always ignore stats that show that guns actually deter crime!

      I mean come on, if you were a criminal, would you be wary of someone that’s armed, or wary of someone that isn’t armed?

      If you were getting robbed or about to be raped violently, would you rather have a cell phone or a gun in which to defend yourself?

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      • OutWest says:

        RickE.

        The saying used to be, “You Can’t Rape A .38!”

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        • yental says:

          You can still “lube-it-up”, clean/”ream” the barrel, and buy it “additional rounds at the ammo bar” for future “Calendar Dates”!

          The .38 special, an under appreciated “backup”. Lost between the 9mm/40 win high capacity semi-auto and the .357 magnum revolver/carbine. But still a lovely date/companion. The .38 can still eat crackers in my bed. :)!

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          • PO'd Patriot says:

            They kept Jim Cirillo alive for 25 years on the NYPD zombie squad. Love me some snubby .38′s. Got ‘em all over the house and shop. Definition of a NY reload: Empty your first snubbie, let it hit the ground, and then pull out your second one with little break between the roll of thunder.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            A J frame hammerless goes everywhere, is 100% reliable, shoots through a coat pocket w/o jamming and is safe as a brick unless you intentionally pull the trigger.

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            • sixpack says:

              I can say from first-hand experience that my Ivers-Johnson hammerless is a fine working piece. The nickel plate is flawless and it was made early enough that it is considered an antiquity and doesn’t have to be registered (in Oregon).

              I hope I look, work and feel that good when I reach her age…

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        • PO'd Patriot says:

          How true, but you can nuzzle a pair of them.

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    9. KorHi says:

      Great info but we knew that already, but the problem is
      the BO admin is the re-emergence of Nazi Germany…The NSA is the re-emergence of Hitler’s SS, and the Dept of Homeland Secuity is the re-emergence of Hitler’s Gestapo.
      The cannon fodder of war (the storm troopers) are our military men who are being duped into following unethical and unconstitutional orders against foreign lands right now, but they will soon be turned against us in the future in the form of UN forces and NATO so how about a study that compare’s BO to Hitler?
      Thats the study the people need to see!!

      The NWO failed in 1993 when they tried to take the towers down so now that they acomplished that on 9/11 and passed the proper Police State it’s time to come for ALL who presents a threat against this SATANIC regime, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Pro-Lifers, Biblical Christians, Traditional Marriage Supporters, Orthodox Jews, Whistleblowers, and Preppers will all be targeted at this point…mark these words, but the writting is on the wall!!!!
      KorHi

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      • OutWest says:

        KorHi— Good analysis

        I remember years ago reading an article in the American
        Rifleman magazine when at the end of WW2 our troops
        storming Berlin gathered up all the documentation and
        strategies of war and people control the Third Reich
        had amassed and was now using their proven methods as
        an outline to be implemented here in this country.

        Didn’t think too much of it at the time.
        I’m more than a believer now, however.

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        • smokey says:

          We didn’t storm Berlin, the Russians did.

          The 1968 Gun Control Act, however, was written by the man who compiled the Nazi records for Nuremberg. It’s nearly a verbatim copy in some sections, of the Nazi gun laws.

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          • Them Guys says:

            Yep. It was the Red Russian Kommi army that Liberated Aushwitz too. And several more ‘camps” In fact some of those ‘camps” were first Built and Used By Russian kommies aka Bolseviks to Encamp Christian and whites of russia and poland during the russian revolt, 20+ yrs Before WWII.

            And all camp recrords and lists of prisoners be they jewish or gentiles both, were also “liberated” or Taken By Red army russian kommies. And NONE were revealed to public untill aproz 1999(?) when the KGB opened up vast numbers, Millions of records etc so public could view it all.

            An Exallant example of how we were so badly Lied to on Many WWII issues is the Truth about “Katyn Forest Massacre”…About 24,000 of Polands Top Creeme of the crop upstanding Cops-Cop Chiefs-Citizenery, were All rounded up, taken to the Forest area of Katyn, and Forced to strip down to underwear, hands tied behind backs, and Systematically Shot to Backs of Head, then burried in a couple shallow Mass Graves.

            Now that was around 1940-44 era, I don’t feel like look up exact date now, and Ever since, We as well as the Entire World were Always told and taught that it was entirely done by…NAZIS! Evil “germans”, of course on hitlers orders!

            However…After 1999 when KGB documents were finally revealed, it was found out that, nazis nor hitler had Anything to do with it! In Fact the reason soviet komie rulers and kgb of the “Soviets” aka USSR, refused to show it all to public OR even to Other former “allied” nations(england-usa=france) was because It was Done BY EVIL Bolshevik Kommie Jewish Murderers!! Ordered and done BY Soviet ussr leaders and Red Army…Got that? NOT by nazis.

            Now, if the soviet Jewish Bolshevik Kommies Lied and allowed the entire World for about 70+ yrs to believe it was “Nazis and evil german folks” responsible for such an Atrocity, when all along They Knew it was They themselves who did the atrocities and MASS Murders….

            Then all persons of a normal sane mind who care for or seek truth, Must ask this question also…”If those Russian and Polsih, Kommie soviet bolshevik Jewsih murderes were So quick to Lie and let germans and nazis be blamed for That issue or event…What Else and How many More Important issues of various Atrocities and Mass murders did those Same jewish Soviet russian and polish Killers and Liars, actually Lie about?

            If They the Liar soviet bolsheviks is who Had ALL the records from the Worst several Prison work Camps of all, and Kept those records Sealed Air/water Tight untill, 1999….What If that “six-Million Jews” number has been also a massive inflation/lie? What if it was Far far LESS numbers?…Because once Those records were released, and Many fine Historians and PHD type researchers started snoopin around in Many Other Archives and records, such as American Red Cross, who Had almost Unlimited access to every camp, and also kept acurate records, as well as many other sources records or documents. What They found was an Enourmous ammount of Further Proof that indeed, the Atrocities at Katyn Mass Murders definatly were Not the only lies told. If Fact that Six Million “sacred” number was indeed a huge Falsity.

            A good study or personal research project is to actually go look up all such Newer acurate documented info. You will truely be amazed at just How Many things and “numbers” we were indeed Lied to about.

            They Lied for 70 yrs on Blame nazis for Katyn, think they’d Lie for Other things perhaps?

            Also: Read John ch 8 vs 44 about Liars-Thieves and Murderers…As it Is speaking of the Same tribe who did that Katyn Mass murders and Lied about it.

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            • Anonymous says:

              Them Guys says, your exactly right. It is all documented on the internet yet most people who have access refuse to search for truth. I fault Hitler and will not ever defend his regime since he was Catholic and a stone dead moron. Communism vs Fascism to me is no different than Republican vs Democrat today. They are both guilty of stupidity and causing countless suffering to good people.

              Everything that transpired in WWII was well planned by Talmudic Zionist Cabalistic satanists. Same as what is happening today, history repeats.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Anonymous: I agree. Yes hitler did many wrongs no doubt. I am not defending any such wrongs by he or any others regardless what era in history it occured in.

                But as You stated, the internet is Jam Packed today with more such Proof-Info than any single person can posibly read most likly. There are several major reasons for as you said People Refuse to search for truth. They do look for truth…Only…Not…If it is…About Nazis/Jews/WWII era. IMHO the Main #1 reason is most all americans be they boomers or younger gen, have Parents/uncles/or Grandparents that went to Fight in WWII.

                They find it much too difficult to even consider that just maybe the same MSM’s of today’s Lies, also Lied of WWII events. I think its the Prime reason MSM’s coined the phrase “Greatest generation” as that makes it even Harder to accept perhaps they, the greatest gen got Duped and after the war totally Deluded into belief of whatever msm and fed govnt told them. Plus their generation did trust govnt and msm 100% without question. It was the normal back then. And Nobody today wants to admit their parents etc were Anything But greatest and did a good thing in WWII. Yet Even General Patton’s diray shows he too figured out by wars end, during german reconstruction, and his diary Quotes Patton saying “We Fought the WRONG Enemy!” meaning usa should have allied With germany against evil Bolshevik Kommie russian red army and totally Wipped it out forever!

                Patton wanted to still do so after WWII ended! he wasn’t able to convince Eisenhower. Of course not! Look up Eisenhowers Graduation univ.(west point?) Class Photo book…Others who wrote quips beside his photo and name called him by a nickname in university days…I cannot now recall exact wording, but it was close to “The Terrible jewish Swede”!

                As a member of their Tribe Eisenhower had NO intentions to listen to Patton, most historians today, Real ones not Fox or CNN toady’s, agree, somebody had patton Assainated due to he kept telling Newspaper reporters and wrote many letters to Home/wife/retired military bigwigs pals etc the same stuff he wrote in his Diary!

                Picture the newspapers in america of 1945 with Headlines such as “PATTON CONFIRMS! We Fought The WRONG ENEMYS!”

                Guess what…America So so trusted and Loved Gen George Patton, they would have Believed it and him! Then what would corrupt FDR-Eisenhower-Zio jew banksters/wall street etc Do next? Likly shit Bricks is what!

                The other main reasons are a mixture to why todays folks of all ages Refuse to seek such factual truths…Mainly Lifetime of brainwashings by hollywood movies on WWII era, and Non stop Propaganda of “Six-Million” jews dead…Gas chambers! etc etc…Look up the True Facts which totally Debunk aprox 95-98% of it.

                The Final reason I think is simply due to the last 50+ yrs of Preachers in League with Satans Own…aka..Zionistic Bolshevik jews. Most such folks Post quotes by Geobbles as Proof of nazi propaganda etc.

                Yet Not many ever seem to consider that perhaps the exact Same propaganda techniques of Repeat again and again same stuff, has been coppied and Done By them Pastors…Like Hagee and religious right type War Mongers for jew zios and Israel causes. Non stop daily for their lifetimes.

                Nothing can seem to convince them to at least Look at eveidence to the Contrary period.

                Sure hope if I’m ever required to need a 12 person Jury for any reason, and I am innocent, sure hope My jury aint filled by That type stuborn can’t admit Won’t admit rejects all to contray persons. Not a single Day goes by that I do not Pray and Wonder for a Way to reach thru to these folks to get them to LOOK at these facts and RE think things before its too late(soon likly).

                Every time another peson such as You, as well as a few others here admits or says they too have awoken to these issues, I Thank the Lord and ask Him for More such folks!

                It is for now all we can do it seems. Be good Watchmen and Keep shouting from Rooftops the Truths! If we do so We will be Good with the Lord when its that time.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @KorHi
        They can come for me but even in this stupid liberal paradise they better bring lots of black bags, some of us have no intention of going anywhere quietly.

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      • Think says:

        If this were a replay of NAZI Germany we wouldnt be allowing the entire third world to sneak into America.
        We would not be even considering allowing illegals to live here, and receive government assistance.
        In fact we would be exterminating same.

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      • lonelonmum says:

        I wish I didn’t keep comparing rural America to Ukrainian farmers in the last century, but I do. Just replace the term collective farm for “corporate” “federal regulations” or Monsanto, and I’m sure you’ll start to see the parallels.

        I’m really hoping my gut is wrong, and history isn’t rhyming as the fate of the ordinary farmer with a few acres to his name under Stalin was a pretty grim one.

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    10. “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of
      the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the
      benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any
      curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. ” -Mein Kampf,
      Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Miflin, 1943, Page 403″

      “There’s no way to rule innocent men.
      The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals.
      Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them.
      One declares so many things to be a crime
      that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

      —-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged—

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    11. peter parker says:

      Quote from Madonna: “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”. If Material Girl gets it, why can’t everyone else? If a drunk driver smashes into a family, do we blame the car? Putin is on record that Americans should keep their guns. Speaking of Putin, wanna bet he’s holding Snowden for some kind of exchange deal?

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    12. 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:

      GUNS SAVE LIVES!!!???….NO SHIT!

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    13. braveheart says:

      I just love it when the feds do a study on any particular subject and when they come up with results different from what they expect, they s#$% all over themselves. It’s been proven time and again. If you’re not armed, you’re going to be exposed to all types of injustice, violations, even murder, whether it’s state-sponsored or otherwise. As BI just said, LONG LIVE THE 2ND AMENDMENT ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Even if martial law is ever declared, I’ll still claim these rights. My rights come from God, NOT SOME MANMADE GOVERNMENT! Approach me with bad intentions toward me only at your own peril! NOMI CATIMF BRAVEHEART

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            In my mind, live and let live, i know many men and women in comitted long term monogamous alternative relationships, and i know many miserable cheating disfunctional hetero couples who are married, so witch is more right??? the God of my understanding doesnt make distinctions based on gender OR religion, i am hetero and like it that way but its not my place to determine what is right for someone else, just as i wouldnt want anyone else deciding what my reality needs to be,
            Open minds!

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            • Anonymous says:

              This movement is growing. Watch American idol and some of these shows. The gays get together and vote one of there own in. If gay’s were natural they would slowly breed themselves out. They would over the long haul have less children then straight people. However, gays are growing. I’m sick of it rubbed in my face on every t.v. show. Now, even on here it is becoming the norm. We have become just like Soddom and Gommorah. They will not stop at marriage. Already I as an employer can not discrimate against them and hire other people with my beliefs. I also have to rent to them. What next, Will they be able to fondle me as a Tsa agent. This discussion is sickens me when I see how far we have come. When the word damm on tv caused people to cry out now we celebrate queers when the come out of the closet. Put them back in there if you ask me.

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              • Kulafarmer says:

                Yep, is sort of a trip, that stuff used to be private and under wraps for the most part, like you said though now its in your face, i would never deny someone their rights but geez after a wile it does get to be a bit much, still live and let live, but that can go both ways yea,,,

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            • Archivist says:

              The Bible says what is right. It says homosexuality and bestiality are wrong. It doesn’t matter what your “understanding” is, because it’s in the Bible in plain black and white.

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              • Them Guys says:

                The Bible also says we are supposed to learn to be Discerning. That means know between right and wrong. That is not just to assist us personally, it is to also be well equipped to be able to Reprove and Rebuke those who do wrongs or evils etc.

                Reprove and Rebuke are fancy ways to say…OUT wrongs and Out those who do it,and Condemn it. And there is a huge difference between doing our christian Duty of reproving and rebuking, and that of Judgeing others. Do not fall for it when others try to stiffle you by claiming “Jesus says do not judge others”

                Yeah He did say that too. But there is a diference. To Out wrong and evil and Condemn it is not judgeing anothers soul. And it also says we are never to authorize-support-agree-fund-vote for-condone wrong or evils period.

                Making excuses for what we know is un natural and wrong is bad on our part. They on the leftist side Know these things too. That is the reason they always try to use words like do not judge others in the same way as calling you a racist for pointing out some true facts on crime stats etc. Do Not Fall for that stiffleing method of silencing you. Never stop or quit reproving and rebuking. It is Our job so to speak.

                If fag marriage is good or normal? Why are they so desperatly trying to Redefine it? Should it not already be well known or self evident after so many centuries now?

                It has never been ok. And All who have bucked that has paid a heavy price. America will too. You will see.

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              • I guess many of posters think homosexuality is OK judging from thumbs down on some comments. Don’t ask don’t tell huh? Well dimwits a little leaven leavens the whole lump. And you must disagree with the Apostle Paul! You could join the Jeff Rense crowd of psychics and Ouija boards. He had a guest last night Michael Wood who is going to set us all straight, whops I mean gay. He said Paul was not against homo’s but was defending him. Rense was sucking it up. Could not wait for another new Bible that shows gay is OK with God. This is how it started little by little, till we get to where we are now…led by a bunch of dogs who push their bullshit down our throats till we legalize killing the unborn and raping children. Satan is really a man! A lying fagot.

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Ike: Seems for Many folks it is necessary to describe what that means, “A little leaven”.

                  Leaven is what we call Yeast. And same as a loaf of bread size Dough mix Only needs a “Pinch” or a “Little” yeast, so to does Sin or acceptance of sin only take a small amount of it to Infect the entire Lump of Dough, aka the Body of Christ aka the Church aka Believers.

                  And Where did so Much Leaven/Sin come from in Christs days?…”Beware the Leaven Of the Pharisee’s aka Rabbi’s”

                  ps Jeff Rense is a member of their tribe also.

                  Even after almost 2000 yrs, some things as well as some tribes or groups Never Change eh…Beware the Leaven/sin promoted by those Pharisee Rabbi!(and their followers also).

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            • JayJay says:

              Kula, most with the anti-gay attitude quote the biblical scriptures.
              BUT, and there is one..those same folks fail to wear cloaks, omit make-up/tattoos/jewelry, never cut their hair, wear dresses all day, observe Sabbath, cut out profane language, the first to disrespect elders and parents, cheat on taxes, have affairs, …and that’s just a beginning.

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              • Anonymous says:

                Jay Jay your full of yourself. Obviously you have not spent much time around Christians or Churches. You just love to spout off…FYI most mainline Christians are tolerant of fags and lesbians and are to afraid of not being politically correct. Straighten up and fly right bud! Most of the resistance to fags and lesbians come from those who are remnant Christians and have left the Churches…do your homework and forget your pontificating…they are boooring! You can’t tell which end is talking!

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        • Let em “marry” if they want. It is a distraction, but I am not judging them. I WILL say that homosexuality is NOT natural. The good Lord gave us those organs for one thing only…to procreate. Can’t do that by brushing nuts.

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          • Mordacai says:

            Your sense of morality is warped. This is why U.s is falling. Next it will be the right for you to have insest with your children. Why not? You created them….Lets allow people to go nakid in the streets. Its not hurting anyone else. Freedom of expression. That’s why God’s law goes above what man thinks. Without it our human reasoning causes us to go insane.

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            • My sense of morality is fine. Judgement is left to a higher power than me or you.

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              • Higher power? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Must of joined AA.

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              • JayJay says:

                As I like to say…Leave it to the Lord. It’s waaay above my pay grade. ;-)

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              • Them Guys says:

                JRS did you ever read that part on Descernment, and use of it to reprove and Rebuke? Thats Not Judging, it Is doing a christian Duty as told to do.

                Judgement pertains to a persons Soul and eternity. Rebuking evil and wrong Pertains to This Human Life and those who need to be rebuked instead of turn blind eye.

                Leave it all to higher powers is a Cop out. And Enables evils.

                Evil Triumphs….When Good Men do…Nothing.

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              • Mordacai says:

                1 cor 6: Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God

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          • Richard NC says:

            I use my “organ” for the additional purpose for which it was intended. Not sure how you handle your excretory function. Perhaps your position is explained by your limited use of yours.

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        • Paranoid says:

          I don’t care what they do. But it’s really about MONEY!! I have no wish to pay them the benefits given to married couples. THAT’S MY MONEY AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO DECIDE WHERE I WANT IT.!

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    14. TimTheCrusader says:

      Just ordered some nice OD green polymer furniture for my AKM. Molon Labe!

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    15. braveheart says:

      To everyone, AMEN to your comments! braveheart

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    16. Prepping Preacher says:

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL **deep breath** LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      all that $$$ wasted on a study we all knew could only end this way… such blindness of the Kenyan in our White House….

      pray for the best while prepping for the worst

      Prepping Preacher
      III

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    17. Well we sure as hell won’t hear any more about this study from anyone in D.C.!! We all know they only like to have facts that support their agenda and don’t give on flying fu@k about the truth.

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    18. KorHi says:

      Madonna? What a goat loving satan worshiper.

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    19. Theguy says:

      Off topic ish but related:

      Snowden…

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-27/ecuadors-president-warns-us-threats-are-clear-attack-sovereignty

      … bringing it back on topic as it’s somewhat related in a skewed sort of way…

      Have you ever noticed, that every time a POTUS gets everything they want, they turn into Poopfinger?

      It’s like reverse Midas touch.

      Second term, no worries about re-election, majority support in the House and Congress (ok Obama doesn’t have that YET, and let’s hope it doesn’t go there because then it will go from Poopfinger to just straight up telekinetic poop… he thinks, it, it turns to sh*t…)

      Every time.

      They get everything they want, start pursuing policies without any opposition… and everything starts falling off on them.

      I mean I know for myself that when something goes bad, it goes bad by the dozen. It’s like the first thing sets off this avalanche of stuff going wrong. Oddly stuff that’s not even directly connected… probably because I’m so busy worrying about the first thing that I start ignoring other things.

      Seems like that’s what’s happening to Obama now.

      Snowden
      Gun research says the opposite of what he wants
      Domestic spying making him look like Nixon

      Oh just wait until Obamacare launches. Even in some fantasy universe where this would be the “right thing to do”… just the initial startup of a program of that scope is going to have bolts and nuts flying off in all directions for the first two years minimum.

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    20. KY Mom says:

      Prepper Sale Alert…

      Kmart has the 12 pack of Scott toilet paper for $6.99 on sale this week.

      Plus, if you have a shoppers card, you will get a free 64 Oz. jug of Clorax bleach and a $3.00 coupon if you purchase $10 or more of Scott products.

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      • Shootit says:

        Dollar General has their store brand soup on sale 2-$1. Vancamps Pork and Beans on sale for 50 cents a can.

        They also have $5.00 off coupon for a purchase of $30.00 Saturday. Print one online.

        Both taste better than MRE’s.

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      • The Cooking Mom says:

        That’s great mom!! We’ve already started transitioning
        To washable toilet paper, family cloth. Already saving even
        More money. Guys, get your women started on this now
        While is easy to do. (Electricity, running water)
        http://inhabitat.com/family-cloths-gross-or-great/
        It’s actually not as big a deal as you would think.

        Keep preppin’

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      • Anonymous says:

        I wish I would of stocked light bulbs. These new light bulbs suck. Now you have to use three times as many so they aren’t saving you money just putting money into the lawmakers that passed that crap.

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        • JayJay says:

          I started storing bulbs 4 years ago.
          Saw what was coming after trying the new curly bulbs, AND I saved NOT ONE cent on electric bill.
          Removed them after reading all the fire starter stories and I do NOT like the lighting from them.
          I have a closet shelf full of in candescent bulbs.
          Heat from these bulbs is a plus for me in the cold months anyhow.

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      • JayJay says:

        I always get 24 double rolls at DG(angel soft) for $9 or Big Lots 24 double rolls for $8.
        I haven’t checked these in a while, since I’m good for years on TP.

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    21. Say When says:

      If anyone truly believe’s that facts are going to interfere with what these a$$hats have in store for us, think again. These people have an agenda and anything or anybody that gets in their way will be destroyed. Do not fall for anything you hear or see from this administration. SMOKE AND MIRRORS. KEEP PREPPING!!! The country that most of us grew up in has disappeared. Trust no one, especially the government.

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    22. caliber says:

      maybe someone can educate me a little. what’s with the obsession with toilet paper? I took nature class, lived 3 months without it. you can use non-poisonous plant leaves, notebook paper(crumbled up to soften), and many other things..

      were supposed to be preppers. the only ones left when the shtf. the survivors. tough guys….and we need toilet paper…? I will shit my pants and run 10 miles if I have to. no TP needed.

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      • Indy Colts says:

        Preppers would rather buy TP than to get rash ass from crumpled up notebook paper or poison ivy all up on my junk. I my book TP is also as valuable as ammo or water.

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        • Indy Colts says:

          I hate auto correct on android phones and the little keyboards

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        • Gone2Hilo says:

          I bought 100 white wash rags, cut in half & surged to use after the 1000s of coffee filters are gone. Don’t want to start off having to wash crappy rags when everything else is a new way of doing everything…will save that for later after I’m used to everything else. Apparently someone else here thought of using filters too…having trouble catching them at wallyworld. Plan on rationing them once the TP we have in the cabinet is gone..not stocking to..takes up too much room…lots of filters for 1.50!

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          • Running out of paper toilet paper is a reality, no matter how much you have stored up…..so, I was also thinking of the wash rags….however…mine will be brown :)Keep in mind, toilet paper has always been a barterable object in other times of crisis……..

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          • SmokinOkie says:

            Just don’t invite me over for coffee. It’s not that I don’t trust you…I just, uh… I’m trying to cut down on caffeine ….

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      • The Cooking Mom says:

        Caliber……some of us are ladies.

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      • yental says:

        @ Caliber, I hope I am well “upwind” of you if we find ourselves in close proximity.

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      • Yeah, I can use leaves too, but I live in a house with two women and I won’t want to survive if they run out of TP or sanitary supplies. I am married with two daughters and six granddaughters. I buy personal hygiene supplies in bulk.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        My prepping, ideally puts me pretty much business as usual when everything else is collapsing and people are freaking out, and that includes me being able to um wipe in comfort even if its being done in a freshly dug outhouse! After all, we should preserve our humanity!

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      • mountain man 6-1 says:

        News Alert: This just in— Mr.Stinky Finger doesn’t need Toilet PAPER!!!Will run 10 miles with Baggy pants to avoid it!!!He brushes his teeth with a 2×4!! More breaking News at 11:00!!!

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        • Outlaw says:

          LMAO! I think I just busted a gut mountain man.

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          • Them Guys says:

            The Most Important Man in the World…Uses a 7ft tall Pine Tree as His toothbrush….And he can also speak Fluent French…In…Russian!

            The Most Important Man in the World, was in a Previous Lifetime…..Himself.

            Stay Thirsty My Friends…Stay Thirsty.

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    23. Mountain Trekker says:

      Just think, if you were the NSA and you wanted to have a false store front, would’nt it be interesting to have a blog and post articles and then have people come on line and make comments. And most people really feel more free to make a comment when they can go on a site that doesn’t require a real email address. Of course NSA don’t need real email addresses to see who makes what comment, but bet they sure could glean a lot of good info on people that way. But I’m sure they wouldn’t do something like that. That would be to Orwellian. Just a thought. Trekker Out. Loose Lips Sink Ships!

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      • Satori says:

        gotta look out for those “honey pots”

        since they have been tracking us for years
        I’m probably on a # of lists already

        and oh
        did I forget to say

        “SCREW you NSA ” ?

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      • I just want them to know that there are some pretty normal, solid citizens here. I need to stand up and be counted.

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      • Once you become paranoid it leads to schizophrenia. Then you start drooling and begin to shit your pants. God protect us from those who wish to instill distrust and fear. That is the road to toadyism then sycophantism. You want us to believe that Slavo is a shill, shame on you! If you have no proof then close your barn door and keep it shut! Don’t muck out your barn here!

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      • sixpack says:

        @Mountain Trekker, they might get intel IF people always TELL THE TRUTH…but mixing in a few bullshit items here and there, helps keep them from being able to take what we say too seriously, and I like it that way.

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      • Shootit says:

        “group marriage”? Nah…I heard they wanted to be to marry their goats.

        They are trying to justify their actions by pretending God does not exist. Right is wrong, wrong is right. It will not end until they meet God.

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          • yental says:

            I care about the “goat”. She may be more than insulted by the “rape”! Besides, “goat-fu*kers” would by definition represent the pinnacle of “worthless eaters” that will not be missed. I don’t care HOW THEY DIE…just as long as THEY DIE! Bestiality is the epitome of INSANITY and CRIMES AGAINST NATURE AND MANKIND.

            Normally, I would not bother to reply to something this blatantly STUPID…but I found myself WANTING the potential clusterfu*k.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            As long as it isn’t the one going on the fire tonight.

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            • yental says:

              Eating a goat vs. Fu*king a goat. Perhaps a representative of PETA can come and explain how “goat-Fu*ckers” are more humane.

              After all, at least the “goat” is still alive for the next round of “sexual delight”.

              Okay, I’m done with this non-philosophical venture into the actual abyss of hell.

              Knew better, did it anyway…MY BAD!

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            • RickInOregon says:

              What’s with the goat hate? I have goats and they’re cool. They eat brush and black berries that I would otherwise have to manually remove, they provide milk, meat, they’re small enough to easily transport, I have packs for them and they can carry extra gear when we are on foot in the wilderness. They kids make me laugh with the crazy play they do, they don’t bark and their poop quickly breaks down into fertilizer for the garden.

              It doesn’t matter what the report says, politicians are professional twisters of the truth and logic, most of them are lawyers. When the time comes they will twist this report and use it to tear another piece off the constitution.

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      • Indy Colts says:

        EVERYONE!!! JUST IGNORE EISENCRAP BECAUSE HIS PURPOSE IS TO GET A RISE OUT OF EVERYONE HERE. Just give him the thumbs down and don’t reply and he’ll shut up. He loves the attention from everyone because he doesn’t get enough butt love.

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            • Outlaw says:

              Nah, it’s not that, it’s just that there are other forums more suited for you all. If ya dont like what ya see/read here move along… It’s quite obvious most here are like minded. You are the outsiders and you ain’t changin no ones minds, so move along.
              Garunteed though if one of the like minds here went to a site more suited to yall’s point of view and posted, it would be deleted/censored/moderated. hmmm… something to ponder

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              • Facebook Page says:

                So you say this site should just be for the ones that agree with you. Is that how you live your life.

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                • Shootit says:

                  We are trying to help. You are not getting the message. I will give you an hint. You are trying to play golf and you shoot in the high 70′s for 9 holes year in and year out. Finally someone does you a favor and hands you a sleeve of Tennis Balls. This does 3 things 1. It puts us out of our misery. 2. It gives you a chance to spread your misery. 3. It makes me feel good that I am sharing equally like a Communist.

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                • PO'd Patriot says:

                  Absofukinlutely FBP. If you don’t like the gate don’t swing on it.

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                • Outlaw says:

                  Not my site, not sayin who it is for. But yes, I do live my life surrounded by like-minded people. Or at least I try. Common sense, right? Who wishes to surround themselves with people they disagree with? Oh yeah, idiots like yourself.

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                • Facebook Page says:

                  Outlaw you don’t like it you shouldeave and find your like minded. That is your right. This is still open to the public. So equal right are here.

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                • Outlaw says:

                  Your really that ignorant FBP? I have found my like minded. It is clear who is in the minority. I am done playing your childish games. Good day son.

                  I truly hope MAC considers banning the troublemakers. Not those who have a difference of opinion, but the troublemakers. I have been lurking this website for a couple of years and have only recently started posting. I would have participated more, but did not want to deal with idiots. At this point there is so much garbage to filter through that the site is becoming useless. I feel this site would receive a LOT more posts and participation if the troublemakers were eliminated. I know there are LOTS of people who read this site, but do not participate for the simple reason of the trolls being allowed free roam. This is becoming ridiculous, I thought the point of this site was to share information and to grow and learn from each other. The garbage is becoming so insane that it is no longer worth the effort. At this rate I can go over to infowars and see the same articles x10 and the same garbage posted in the comments. This site used to stand above and beyond the rest. At this point it is no better than infowars or ATS or the numerous others. I plead with you MAC to clean this place back up and stand above the others.

                  I am also open for suggestions from others to a better forum for sharing info. I do not have alot of time to spend on the computer filtering garbage, so I would like to make the time I have count. If any know of a site where the info is shared and the garbage is thrown out, please share.

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          • Grasshopper says:

            Eisen doesn’t care about anyone but himself…of course he sees no wrong in raping a goat, a woman, or perhaps even a child…no morals…no conscience…reminds me of our dear leaders.

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        • Do that stuff enough and you will need a couple of those butt cloths mentioned above to shove in the stretched hole.

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      • Not so Much says:

        God you’re stupid.

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Eisenkraut, you undoubtly ain’t married, Sometime one spouse is more than a person could want. Just how much fun could a whole passel be? Trekker Out.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Lol
        Caligula!

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      • Merree says:

        I knew some folks in a group marriage. It fell apart when one of them tested positive for HIV. I’ve had other acquaintences who tried group marriages. None of them lasted more than two years and almost every one ended due to complications from sexually transmitted diseases.

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        • SmokinOkie says:

          Absolutely right Meree. Group marriage never works. Our Creator made the plan. It was, from the beginning, one man/one woman. (Solomon and a few other bigamists notwithstanding)
          Besides, who in their right mind would want all those extra mother-in-laws?**

          **note to eisen- I know it’s supposed to be mothers-in-law. It just looks better with the plural at the end…

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          • SmokinOkie says:

            oh….better make that ‘Solomon and a few other polygamists…’
            don’t want the language police on my case.

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            • sixpack says:

              I saw a post where some nut job was trying to correct someone else, that post read:

              “It is ‘their’, not ‘there’…I hate it when people don’t use the right verb”.

              LOL! Dumber trying to educate Dumb.

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    25. fiftyfiver says:

      Firearms and Fences make for good neighbors! Each show just where the line cannot be crossed without dire results. Keep prepping like there is no tomorrow because… our day will come very soon. Smile and Enjoy life in the present because living well is the best revenge and surviving and thriving will be oh so sweet revenge against all this Gov/Corp BS they are shoving at us. Peace all

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      • Shootit says:

        That’s the saying around here. Great fences make great neighbors. We do have cows, horses, pigs, and buffalo that tend to get into thy neighbors corn, beans, garden and front lawn. Make’s for fun gossip, but everything else is not so good.

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    26. Patriot One says:

      Why is this a surprise to anyone? We have 20 years worth of data that says guns reduce violent crime and that’s just the ones that were reported. Think about all the times the presence of a gun stopped a crime or just the drawn causes the criminal to run away.

      The last report I saw said over 6000 crimes a day are stopped with a gun. In most cases a shot is never fired. Think about that!!!

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    27. Satori says:

      Quote of The Day

      “”My understanding is that espionage means giving secret or classified information to the enemy. Since Snowden shared information with the American people, his indictment for espionage could reveal (or confirm) that the US Government views you and me as the enemy. Ron Paul

      WOW !!!

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    28. Satori says:

      and yet ANOTHER warning in the MSM

      Solar Flare poses huge threat:

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/26/solar-flare-electrical-threat-column/2461313/

      “A solar flare that could wipe out the communications and electrical grids while frying a wide variety of electronics, quickly sending us back to the 19th Century.”

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    29. Y'all Beware! says:

      No no no no no, you people have it all wrong. The study was made so that our children’s new History Books will show that President Obama was right. The more you arm people the more violence you will have – period.

      Y’all must realize that it was the Tea Party and other conservatives that got a hold of the real voter results and changed them to show the exact opposite.

      Many different types of the people were questioned, including Pistol Totin Peppers. So it was a very good sampling of Americans.

      The reasons you will note see the Main Stream Media print or broadcast these results are because they do not print or broadcast lies. They are a close group, and as such, work for the common good of the people, and by the way – Do Not Kiss Ass.

      The Main Stream Media will always do what is best for the country and they know that all Americans need to live under the safe umbrella that our government provides.

      Our government has purchased billions of bullets for our defense. They have coupled the latest technologies – facial recognition software, drones, data mining and other newly passed laws that protect us from terrorists.

      It’s these leaders that have worked so hard for many years to give us the greatest opportunities we could ever have – food to eat and a roof over our heads. And do not forget – most importantly the freedom to move about wherever you would like within the camp.

      People, People, people, remember, these are the things your Grandfathers and Fathers fought and DIED for in World War I and World War II. They banded together to fight the enemy.

      So, if you are asked, please turn in your weapons. You will not need any of them as our government will take good care of us.

      Y’all Beware! Trust me.

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    31. Just happened here last night in Florida. Two arm men broke into a house and opened fire only to find a well armed homeowner, who drove them out with a volley of return fire. A real Oh Shit moment for the two vandals. The very reason I carry 24/7. I love to see stories like this, that shows the government and anti-gunners the real truth if they will even bother to read it.

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    32. braveheart says:

      Eisenpuke, if you really go for things like that, move your stupid ass away from our site.

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          Remember he believes the first amendment is only for him and other with the same thoughts.

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        • Grasshopper says:

          Braveheart MAY be older than you, Eisenpuke… but one things for sure: He’s a hell of a lot more of a man than you ever dreamed to be! He has a conscience, can temper his masclinity with compassion… you, on the other hand, are plain disgusting!

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    33. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Military Sexual Assault Epidemic Continues To Claim Victims As Defense Department Fails Females http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/military-sexual-assault-defense-department_n_1834196.html

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    34. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Soldier Claiming To Have 2,700 Kills Gets Eviscerated In Amazon Comments

      Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/dillard-johnson-2700-kills-amazon-carnivore-2013-6#ixzz2XSW3PapO

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    35. braveheart says:

      FBP, nowhere in the Bill of Rights or Constitution is homosexuality mentioned, but it’s definitely addressed in the Bible and God’s Word is very clear about it being evil and wrong. It’s only one of many things that are bringing God’s judgment to this land. Hell, we’re already going through God’s judgment in some ways. You don’t really support gay rights, do you?

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        I support a gays rights Not the life style.

        Just like I support women’s rights. Don’t have to like them but that is how people live in a free society.

        Or equal rights for old people. We could just soylent green them since there really is no use for them when they can work anymore.

        Equal rights means equal for all.

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    36. braveheart says:

      BTW, FBP, God created Adam and Eve, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!

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        • Wasp says:

          Facebook, Agree HE does have a plan,so he must have a reason for AIDS.Ever hear the one about the Queer with aids that went to the doctor, and the doctor told him to go to Mexico, and while in Mexico he told him to eat what ever the Mexicans eat and drink the same water the Mexican drink, and the Queer asked will that cure my aids, and the doctor said NO, but it will show you what your asshole was made for.WASP

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      • 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

        Awesome ;0)

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    37. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

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    38. buzzfix says:

      The Truth Prevails!

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    39. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      WHY BOYCOTT RABID WAR CRAZED ZIONIST ISRAEL AND ZIO-JEWS ???

      A concise answer to Zionist Israel’s New York consul-general’s question “Why boycott Zionist Israel?”

      The question of why Americans should boycott Zionist Israel in particular, when so many other governments and societies in the world are oppressive and brutal, is an important one. And there is indeed a good answer to it.

      The fact that Zionist influence spreads far beyond Israel’s area of dominion and now influences many of the policy making institutions of Western governments, and particularly that of the United States, makes it imperative that Zionist Israel’s oppressive behaviour be singled out as a high priority case for boycott.

      In other words, unlike other oppressive and brutal governments, the Israeli ZIONIST JEWS and their supporters directly influence (one might say corrupt) the policy-makers of many Western nations and this often makes their governments (most specifically the US) accomplices in Rabid Zionist Israel’s abusive policies. This being so, prioritizing Zionist Israel JEWS for boycott is not hypocrisy but rather necessity.

      N.O. ;0p

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    40. braveheart says:

      Howdy, MT. I don’t think Eisenpuke would know what to do with a woman if he ever saw one. braveheart

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    41. NeoIsolationist says:

      Just wanted to let everyone know the Senate passed the immigration bill. The one that will keep Americans out of work, giving their jobs to illegals due to the employer incentives in there. I think it gives them cars, too. My primary concerns are it basically destroys the original culture, keeps wages low, and annihilates any chance of prosperity due to the combination of middle-class jobs being exported and low wage unskilled workers making it in, in large numbers. If it passes the house, it will be the end of our way of life, for us and our children. Only thing possible in my opinion is that this is being done on purpose to destroy the country as it was founded, and its principles.

      Just seems like all signs are pointing toward an imminent banking collapse and a major war in the middle east. In an MLB game, I think in Chicago, there was briefly flashed (for a few seconds I understand) a poster with a bunch of illuminati/pagan signs on it, and then it was gone. A sign, if the whole NWO conspiracy is to be believed.

      My friends, I hope all of you have the will to accept and weather through great, great difficulty. If my suspicions are true, our leadership appear to be traitors. Never thought I would see the day.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Perfect,
        They passed NAFTA
        And it screwed over agricultural producers in the southern states,
        Now that the vegetable farmers have been forced to compete with mexico the government will flood the labor market with new found workers!
        I just hope this backfires on these stupid fuckers in washington. They can shove their hope and change right up their obummer hole.

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      • Smokey says:

        It’s pretty clear the government is not going to do anything about the illegals except give them welfare, job preference, and now citizenship.

        This was ostensibly politics, but they are deliberately destroying this country and it’s polity to gain permanent power.

        It looks like the people are going to have to deal with the situation themselves.

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    43. Ted Kennedy says:

      I agree, don’t scramble the fighter jets… U r a pussy.

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    44. Satori says:

      if this info is true
      I just don’t know what to say

      FBI Document—“[DELETED]” Plots To Kill Occupy Leaders “If Deemed Necessary”

      http://www.blacklistednews.com/FBI_Document—“%5BDELETED%5D”_Plots_To_Kill_Occupy_Leaders_“If_Deemed_Necessary”/26970/0/0/0/Y/M.html

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    45. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Ron Paul: We Are Leaving Afghanistan After 12 Years With Nothing but our DEAD / LIFE LONG DISABLED DISFIGURED SOLDIERS and a MILLION DEAD AFGHANS LEFT BEHIND .

      TRILLIONS Of Dollars Lost for nothing … but ZOG AMERIKA FEDGOV 9/11 WTC / BLDG 7 FALSE-FAG ATTACK lies as it was the ISRAELI ZIONIST JEWS WHO ATTACKED AMERICA ON 9/11 , not a cia agent saudi towel-head fake AL-’CIA’-DUH terrorist in a afghan dirt cave .

      N.O. ;0p

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    46. braveheart says:

      FBP, no, I haven’t lost anything. I don’t really care what eisenpuke believes. He’s just another troll and needs to move on. braveheart

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        • Outlaw says:

          What I don’t understand, MAC, what is the purpose of moderation and putting posts on hold, when basiclly anything goes? I am sure the majority would prefer to NOT have to scroll through Eisen’s, FBP and others posts. I know for sure if I trolled on a blog of their persuasion I’d be banned. So what is the point of moderation? It appears anything goes… Are any posts or posters actually banned or not posted?

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          • Facebook Page says:

            What would be a site of our persuasion. I discussing freedom and the right of people to be left alone to live their lives. What do you want everyone to conform to your wishes and ideas.

            Time to walk the talk. Instead you are just acting like a bitch that isn’t getting her way.

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            • Outlaw says:

              I really couldn’t give two shits about how you live your life. Honestly I try to ignore your posts, but it gets old. What you fail to see is that YOU are the one trying to push your agenda (i.e. garbage) down our throats. I know personally that I do not go to pro gay sites and spam their boards. If I did I am sure I’d be banned in a heartbeat. I doubt any of the like minds here try to either. The fact that your garbage is even allowed to be tolerated and posted here should say something about this site and the freedom of speach it honors… Get a clue man. I am sure that there are plenty of gay sites that your opinions would be highly regarded.
              As for how I choose to live my life? Well I invite yourself or Eisen down to my little town anytime. Keep to yourself and ain’t no one gonna bother you. Spew the shit you spew here and watch how fast you get your ass kicked. Like you said, here it’s about live and let live. NOT ram your lifestyle down my throat.
              I guess it’s easy to be a keyboard badass though. Be best for you to stay in cali or ny or some other lib place where your crap is tolerated.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Outlaw. I can understand Mac’s moderation for one reason, computer viruses. When someone posts a link it could be dangerous for any of us to go to, and our computers could become infected. Mac, I am so thankful that he does this, as I have had two computers go belly up because of viruses.

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            • Outlaw says:

              @BI That makes sense and I hadn’t considered that. Thanks for the clarification.
              It would be nice though if some of the obvious trolls were banned. I am not against free speech, and welcome differing opinions. However it is obvious that some here are just out to cause trouble. I do not have tons of time to be online and filter through a bunch of crap. This has become my favorite go-to site over the last couple of months, but it is becoming really distracting. Intelligent discussion/debate between people who disagree is one thing. Childish behavior and deliberate trouble causing is another. I have left other boards because of this. Some of the ridiculous posts that are allowed to continue and continue are starting to make me question if I should find new sources. I come online to gather info, share ideas and and basically better myself. Not to filter through a bunch of garbage. Sometimes I feel as if my time here would be better spent watching Jerry Springer re-runs…. just sayin

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              • sixpack says:

                The people who bother me most are not the ones with different opinions, but the posters who seem to always post contrary to whatever the comment is and always filled with hate.

                Posters like eisen seem to just want to argue and insult people, NOT voice their opinions, and there is a difference.

                Even if they post a decent post, they always screw it up by ending with some ridiculous shit in the last sentence, or an insane insult.

                You can tell they are not just speaking their opinions when the opinions change from one post to the next.

                Spewing constant and unprovoked hatred is not freedom of speech that other people should have to constantly tolerate.

                No one should have to put up with constant insults either.

                There comes a point when one person’s “freedom” infringes on another person’s right to speak freely. I can punch with the best of ‘em and take a few too—but I shouldn’t have to get beat up every time I say something.

                Hateful insults for the sake of hateful insults should reach a point where they are banned. I don’t come here to see that shit, and I don’t think most of us here do either.

                …just my two cents worth.

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    47. braveheart says:

      FBP, i’m not quite sure where you’re coming from. I don’t really want government to solve anything; they don’t have that capability anyway. All I’m saying is what the Bible says about homosexuality and that it’s only one of many things, including every evil thing this government has done here and overseas, that will bring god’s judgment and destruction upon this nation. that’s where I see us as a nation headed for unless the nation does a 180. braveheart

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        • Archivist says:

          Supreme Court should not be deciding anything at all about marriage. Government needs to butt out of marriage entirely. It’s none of their business. Marriage is a religious institution. The legal contract part is all that government should regulate. And civil unions are available lots of places. People have been getting married by the justice of the peace for years. I don’t care if queers want to make a legal contract for purposes of life insurance beneficiary or other legal reasons. If they can find some pervert church, they can get “married” there in addition to the legal contract. They should never have the right to demand a “marriage” in my church. That’s the next step after this court decision. What if the Supreme Court decides next who can be baptized or who can be a deacon or who can be a member of your church?

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        • Former Cal Girl says:

          Fbp this was not a fight the religious folks brought on, it was hoist upon us by gays . They want/demand people go against their moral beliefs and teachings. They want to be married in our churches in direct opposition to our beliefs, they want business people to provide services for these services, they want to raise children in ways that are not in keeping with our principles. They refuse to accept the votes of the majority of people in keeping with the Constitution of this country. I could go on but I must stop before my blood pressure goes higher. The gays have won their rights and have hoist their beliefs on us. Just remember we the people do not count any more. This country is very very lost.

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          • Former Cal Girl says:

            To everyone else on this site, the frogs have begun to die. When nothing matters anymore even our moral beliefs the end is near. I will not give up without a fight but all this acceptance of decline is the beginning of the end to our fight. Let’s continue to hold a few moral beliefs on this journey or we may become people we do not want to be.

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            • Outlaw says:

              You are so fucking stupid it is sickening.

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            • Former Cal Girl says:

              I never asked them to confirm to my moral values. These values were in place long before me. I AM THE ONE being infringed upon.. And you most likely do not care because you have been numbed to morals by the constant media barrage. I do wish you would consider how much degradation is being hoist upon those of us who just want to quietly love our lives, going to church, watching an occasional movie and raising our kids in a safe environment. I could care less what gay people do behind closed doors in their home.

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    48. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Israel one of world’s most unpopular countries and it’s getting worse: BBC survey http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-one-worlds-most-unpopular-countries-and-its-getting-worse-bbc-survey

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    49. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Israeli PM’s advisor “bullish/ happy” Zionist Israel will benefit from Israeli Zionist JEW Boston Marathon FALSE-FAG bombing ATTACK – just like Netanyahu after 9/11 Israeli FALSE-FAG ATTACKS

      N.O. ;0p

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      • 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

        Hasbara has become a dirty word, thanks to it’s dirty practitioners and the dirty job they are trained to do.

        It’s a Hebrew word for Israel’s sophisticated public relations machinery that’s set up to cynically justify the Jewish entity’s crimes and to create for Israel a “brand image” completely at odds with the ugly truth.

        Fiction and distortion are among hasbara’s standard propaganda tools for spinning fairy tales and propagating disinformation. And it is very effective – up to a point. The reason why it ultimately fails is that it has very poor material to work with. You cannot behave like psychopaths and disguise it forever. You cannot trample other peoples’ rights and freedoms, and destroy their property, and expect to be loved. You cannot keep your jackboot on your neighbour’s neck for 65 years and expect to call yourself civilized and in tune with Western values. You cannot steal his lands, water and livelihood at gunpoint and claim the moral high ground.

        And you certainly cannot create a wholesome brand image from bullshit.

        These basic truths manage to escape the Anti Defamation League (ADL) when it chooses to attack a truth teller like Alice Walker.

        N.O. ;0p

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        • 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

          Israeli Zionist JEW Propaganda Lie Machine – Hasbara

          JEW public relations efforts to disseminate information CREATE POSITIVE LIES AND BULLSHEEIT about ZIONIST Israel JEWS .

          The term is used by the Israeli ZIONIST JEW government and its AIPAC ADL SPLC ZIONIST PARTY OF ZOG AMERIKA supporters to describe efforts to explain IT’S ILLEGAL TERRORIST JEW government policies and promote ZIONIST Israel in the face of negative press, and to counter what they see as delegitimisation of ILLEGAL Israel around the world.

          Hasbara means “explanation = ISRAELI ZIONIST JEW LIES “, and is also a euphemism for ISRAEHELL ZIONIST JEW propaganda.

          N.O. ;0p

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    52. Watchman says:

      EASY DUTCH OVEN PIZZA
      1 ea. 8 oz. squeeze bottle pizza sauce
      pizza toppings as desired
      1 pkg. refrigerated pizza dough
      2 cups shredded pizza cheese
      Spread pizza crust in bottom of well-seasoned Dutch oven. Squeeze pizza sauce over the top or dough and spread. Cover with cheese and toppings as desired. Cover and cook with 8 coals below and 16 coals on top for about 10-15 minutes.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    53. braveheart says:

      EISENPUKE, F#$% YOU! I NEVER CARED WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT ME, BUT YOU START BRINGING SOMEONE’S RELATIVES INTO THIS, YOU JUST CROSSED A RED LINE! YOU’RE JUST ANOTHER F#$%ING TROLL LIKE NCJOE, FINX, AND ALL THE OTHERS! THIS ‘OLD MAN’ NEVER ‘WHINES’; HE TELLS IT LIKE HE SEES IT. I’VE NEVER CARED ABOUT YOUR OPPOSING VIEWPOINT BEING POSTED ON HERE; YES THAT IS YOUR RIGHT TO STATE IT AND TO HAVE IT, NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU! BUT YOU DON’T CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING USEFUL TO THE DISCUSSIONS IN ANY OF THESE FORUMS WITH YOUR PERSONAL INSULTS WHICH YOU DON’T HAVE ANY GOOD REASON TO MAKE! ALL OF US COME TOGETHER AT THIS SITE TO EXCHANGE USEFUL AND VALUABLE INFORMATION ON SURVIVAL-RELATED TOPICS IN ORDER SO THAT ALL OF US, AS INDIVIDUALS, WILL HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE TO SURVIVE THE HELL ON EARTH THAT THE NWO HAS PLANNED FOR ALL OF US. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU OR FBP, BUT I, FOR ONE, WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT. I’M SO SICK OF WHAT THESE BASTARD POLITICIANS AND BANKSTERS HAVE DONE TO MY COUNTRY….LIKE SOMEONE POSTED A COUPLE OF FORUMS BACK, LET THE PARTY BEGIN. LET THE FEDS BRING IT ON! YOU DON’T THINK I’LL DO ANYTHING, FINE. YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO THINK THAT, BUT I ALSO HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO GIVE A F#$% WHAT YOU BELIEVE. SO WHY DON’T YOU JUST GO TO A MSM SITE AND GO F#$% YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS! PLUS, THIS ‘OLD MAN’ IS STILL IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO KICK YOUR ASS IF IT EVER CAME TO THAT!

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    54. Anonymous says:

      Eisencrap. You have freedom of speech, ok here is something for just you. That is you disruptive net troll. Leave the goats alone. Leave the kids alone. Leave the dead bodies alone. Go back to your Roman orgies of aids and faggots and go rot away somewhere you sick little perverted buttmaster. God will one day show you what going against what is morally right will get you. You must smell so bad it could make a maggot gag.

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    55. braveheart says:

      Y’all Beware, thank you for those few kind comments. I had to get up and get away from the computer for just a few minutes after my outburst. To Mac and everyone else: everyone here knows I don’t normally get like that, but that was absolutely the straw that broke this camel’s back concerning Eisen. I think it’s safe to say that most people, if not all, here on this site agree that eisen should move on. I, along with everyone else here, come to this site almost daily to review the articles and have some nice, useful, and often lively discussion about survival-related topics. The most important thing I’ve learned in all of my years of being a prepper is that you can never have too much information; there’s no such animal when it comes to preparedness. there’s always something new to learn and the more knowledge, skills, and especially supplies that you can acquire, the better your chances of surviving anything that life throws your way. I’ve been coming to this site for almost a year and learned a lot of new things I never knew before. It’s just that I find it impossible to sit back and let these trolls come on here and attack our community and our mission and let them just have a free pass; that’s not in my nature. By far, Eisen is the worst troll I’ve encountered to date. Not even ncjoe or finx ever got to me that bad. I just hope I never encounter Eisen in real life; I don’t want to think about what I’d have to do to him. braveheart

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      • Shootit says:

        E: His name is the German Steel Cross

        Best I can tell he is a little Hitler wannabe.

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      • Y'all Beware! says:

        braveheart,

        Like you I found it very hard to take E’s mess sitting down. So I got up and got out my old Westmark 702, and started to make it sharper. I forgot about the Rubber Doll Troll, and then thought about how well that old 702 gutted that last hog.

        Y’all Beware! You are welcome and remember Don’t Pay the Troll Toll. Let others watch your six.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Its all good Brother, this stuff invokes strong emotions, keep it real!

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      • Triggerman says:

        Most everyone on this site knows how you feel Braveheart…and we feel the same. Eisen is a troll and nothing more. Do what you will but it’s best to just ignore him completely. As you and others have previously stated he contributes nothing to this site except disruption and aggravation. Notice how he only makes statements that are controversial in order to shock and get a rise out of the people on this site. Unfortunately guys like him will always run their mouth but hide behind the keyboard which is the safest thing for him.

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      • Central TX Mom says:

        Hi Braveheart, trolls are not worth having a stroke over. I like reading all the posts, even the ones I don’t agree with because at the very least, they get me thinking from their perspective, at most, they get me pissed off enough to get motivated more with prepping, realizing that this country is…no HAS gone to hell in a handbasket. (and no, I am not particularly “religious” and don’t care for today’s “organized religion”-I prefer a personal day to day walk) Keep up the good fight and keep prepping.
        Unfortunately, the trolls do have the right to say what they want, that is part of what we all are trying to defend. I just read and go on with the rest of the posts, or if it pisses me off bad enough, I go outside to have a cigarette (yes, I smoke and it has saved many of the lives around me that I do- let the flames begin). Like I said, keep preppin’ and know majority of us have the same feelings.
        Central TX Mom

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    56. Fema camp fun says:

      So why is gold and silver in the shitter. I’m actually happy about it…as I have 25 years of buying ahead of me. I think all the ETFs drove demand…paper mostly.

      Yet….the fundamentals have not changed. And.. China and Russia are stocking up.

      China does silver pooling.

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    57. Be informed says:

      @ Kulafarmer. I don’t know if you saw my last comment on the previous article or not, about Hawaii having the perfect growing climate at about 4000-6500 feet. I was wondering if you knew anything about the higher mountain slope growing of fruit trees and vegetables. Also I was wondering about if there are any towns above 5000 feet in Hawaii. I know of Volcano that is at about 4000 feet. I was reading all about different growing climates and since you have that rich volcanic soil, no frost, lots of water, uniformed temperatures no real extremes, a good high sun angle most of the year, that people would be extremely fortunate to be at such an ideal location for growing food.

      With the collapse of everything around us, finding some of the best places for crops is becoming very important. What do you know about the higher altitude growing of food in Hawaii? Even citrus will grow up there as long as you can find a drier spot. Do you know anyone that has farms up there? I imagine you can grow almost anything here, am I am correct?

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @Bi
        Good evening,
        Actually, i live and farm at 3200, we are sort of high, but climate is excellent, plums and apples do good higher but we have nice apples, plums, and nectarines, also have wild peaches all over, banannas do pretty good too and just planted about 30 olive trees this weekend, should do good, a farm up the road has some of the same variety that is producing after only 1.5 years, so promising, for both oil and brined.
        No towns above 3k really, most are at lower elevations. Most farms are lower too, primarily because of land availability, our elevation is pretty near ideal, i have grown almost everything here, soil type, elevation, temperature, all are primo, there are a few areas similar throughout the islands,

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @Bi
        Citrus grows good here too and avos, the citrus needs to be babied though because of soil fungi issues, they are tempermental in the silty loam soils, do better in sandy loam with a higher clay content.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Fyi
          Time stamp on last poast was 12:20am
          Time here was 7:20 pm

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Kulafarmer. 3200 feet up would mean that normally for each 1000 feet in elevation the temperature drops about 3.6 degrees so your climate would be about 12 degrees cooler than down below. With temperatures in the mid and high 80′s below you would have low to mid 70′s. I do wonder about chill hours required for fruit trees though. Most fruit trees require I think about 200 hours minimum of 45 degrees or cooler. Does your location get that many hours 45 or below? This is why I was asking about a higher elevation of say 4000 to 6500 feet in altitude. A town at 5000-7000 feet you would think would be very sought after for crop production, or just a really nice place to live with the cool temperate weather, if the land issue was not a problem.

          I know that plants love stability and why they grow so well in greenhouses because of temperature uniformity. I can imagine that at you elevation that you probably have days in the summer that are about 70-80 for the high and 55-65 at night, and in the winter about 60-70 for the high and the upper 40′s to lower 50′s at night. Plants and trees must really enjoy this and flourish well.

          I have been trying to figure out all the ideal growing areas around the country because of what is coming. People are very unaware of microclimates, even in their own backyards. The amount of food grown can be extended through careful planning. Like you said about citrus, it can be done in Hawaii, but humidity and fungus must be tended to. You must have a lot of enjoyment growing all your own food in that wonderful rich soil, all year long also. You definitely have a huge jump on surviving what is coming. :)

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            You nailed it on the temps, as far as chill, variety is the answer, some dont require the freeze. Land is available, high, low, wet, dry, way expensive though but i suppose worth it, can wear shorts and flip flops all year long if you want,
            Ive been loving growing my own food, is also a good living, way better than construction.

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    58. Nice
      the city of San Leandro, Calif., purchased a license-plate reader for its police department in 2008, computer security consultant Michael Katz-Lacabe asked the city for a record of every time the scanners had photographed his car.

      The results shocked him.

      The paperback-size device, installed on the outside of police cars, can log thousands of license plates in an eight-hour patrol shift. Katz-Lacabe said it had photographed his two cars on 112 occasions, including one image from 2009 that shows him and his daughters stepping out of his Toyota Prius in their driveway.
      At a rapid pace, and mostly hidden from the public, police agencies throughout California have been collecting millions of records on drivers and feeding them to intelligence fusion centers operated by local, state and federal law enforcement.
      The intelligence center database will store license-plate records for up to two years, regardless of data retention limits set by local police departments.
      “A lot of the guidance on this technology – the court doctrine – is nonexistent,” Heal said. “Until that guidance comes, law enforcement is in an exploratory mode.”

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    59. Be informed says:

      @ braveheart. These individuals like Eisen don’t understand much about disease spreading, as throughout human history one of the worst precursors to pandemics as been wild promiscuous sex like orgies. Religions have written about this for centuries because time and time again it has lead to death and suffering. From a purely scientific point of view certain parts of the body are not anatomically meant for certain performances of intercourse. Even people that don’t read the Bible or don’t prescribe to any religious beliefs must see the spread of germs through this practice.

      I don’t have any idea if Eisenwhatever is a homo, sounds like it though. The points I was trying to make over the past couple of days is that people have free choice to engage in this homosexual behavior, but there are consequences. IF homosexuality was safe and okay then why have the vast number of AIDS death been homosexuals? People can call AIDS, God’s plague against fags. I call AIDS a direct result of being filthy and opening oneself up to disease but what someone choices to do. Germs work this way. Without any condemnation, roll around in manure and you are going to get sick.

      Germs will kill people faster than anything when society breaks down. Without antibiotics, many people that practice being a dirtball and not being clean are going to drop over dead. This applies to everyone. Soap and disinfection of harmful pathogens is necessary to stay alive. Bacteria and viruses kills off entire species all the time from animals to plants. People like Eisendirty can joke all he wants about this, but come time when the world is flattened, he continues with his unabated carnal enjoyments of perversion and there will be no more Eisenkreuz like Walt said is going to happen.

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      • AKH2O says:

        When I think of all the diapers that have been changed since the beginning of time, how did the mothers of the world survive all that fecal matter?

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        • Be informed says:

          @ AKH2O. A lot of them and their children DID NOT. The infant mortality rate has dropped condsiderably because of proper hygiene the past few decades. Just plain people washing their hands. In third world countries in which germs are let to run rampant the infant mortality rate is much higher. There is some resistance built up, but germs are germs and it is far better to be clean. The bacteria in adults is much more severe than within infants as infants normally are being fed by their mothers and the milk is purify through the mother’s body. Adult fecal material is absolutely loaded with bacteria from E-coli to strep to various viruses and why it must be properly dispose of and not to come into contact with opening in the human body that can get into someone’s blood stream. Being dirty shortens a person’s life span, this is an absolutely fact. Merree can verify this, or any basic college health or biology book.

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        • Not so Much says:

          They prolly didnt take it internally and washed their hands.

          The whole taking it internally thing is key. If you cant figure out how that happens, then I dont think anyone can really help you.

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        • JayJay says:

          The immune systems were so much better when we were raised playing in dirt and mud!!! :-)

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    60. Satori says:

      you’ll want to read this

      Guest Post: Secrets And Lies

      http://www.zerohedge.com/node/475790

      just a taste

      “A few weeks ago I sat and listened to the former leader of the Conservative party, now an elder statesman of British politics, Michael Howard, tell an audience that governments need to lie. He is a clever man. He quoted Goebbels and then gave this carefully chosen example.”

      governments LIE

      ALL governments

      keep this in mind EVERY time you hear a government pronouncement
      EVERY time a politician speaks
      EVERY time a government official speaks

      EVERY TIME

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    61. Mordacai says:

      Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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    62. braveheart says:

      Be Informed, I’m just now coming home and catching your comments. everything you say is true. Other than being a dickhead, I don’t know what else eisenpuke is and don’t want to know. I want him to leave our site and I believe everyone else would agree on that. I thought I was going to have a stroke when I saw his comments about my family. I don’t care what anyone says about me, but start attacking anyone related to me and that’s crossing a red line. After my last 2 posts, I had to get away from my computer before it became the latest object of my wrath. I don’t understand FBP taking up for Eisen or his comment about me having a double-standard on free speech. he’s been coming here long enough to know damned well there’s no double-standard here. Go to any MSM site and you’ll find all the double-standards you want. This site is in danger of turning into something it doesn’t need to be. We need to really get back into what it’s really about; exchanging useful information on survival-related subjects so all of us as individuals have the best possible chance of surviving what’s coming to this land. So I’ve made a decision that’s going to be difficult to follow, but necessary. I’m going to try to the best of my ability to ignore all of the trolls that come here and stick to what this site is really about. I’ve got more important things to deal with than to let a dickhead like Eisen get to me. braveheart

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      • z-71 says:

        BH, anymore I usually just scan this site. It has become more of How and Why the SHTF instead of When the SHTF. Open discussion is fine but I’m more interested in learning ways and means to help survive in that SHTF situation.

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      • JayJay says:

        Any time you acknowledge stupid, ignorant, abusive, hateful comments–the poster of those wins.
        Nuff said.

        ‘May love be the light that guides us through the darkness’…and there will be plenty, as now.

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      • Grasshopper says:

        Braveheart, You can’t change people; either they have a conscience, are honorable and good… or they are not. Unfortuantely, Eisenpuke is not.

        He’s showed us over and over again that he has no conscience. He seems to think its good to rape women/animals and (for some sick reason) even thinks this makes him a man! Obviously, he had no good and honorable role model or he wouldn’t be this way! He’s actually very sad!

        You, on the other hand (from you’ve posted) had a good and honorable father, who taught you right from wrong… you know how to love a woman, not just rape and use them like Eisenpuke. So, try not to take it all personal and thank the good Lord for your blessings.

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    63. here go go...one for Paula Deen says:

      http://www.thewhirlingwind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/paula_deen_header.jpg

      I can just imagine a SNL skit.

      “Hey N…”…

      Paula you’re my N….

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    64. Iixsive says:

      Remember J T Ready, 99% demonstration, stood with his men between the police and the protesters to defend their 1st amendment rights with his 2nd amendment right

      He is now dead, from the criminal scum that run this gubment

      Long live the free man

      the Watcher

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    65. Mountain Trekker says:

      Can’t we all just get along. Trekker Out.

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    66. Be informed says:

      Before I turn off the computer I would like to add something on survival and a good solid investment. One of the most valuable item someone can purchase is a fruit or nut tree, or trees. For a small investment of $25 to $100 someone can get over the course of 20 years ONLY back their money 20-80 times over assuming the common production of a fruit or tree producing at minimum $100 worth of food each year. Trees also produce shade and operate as windbreaks during the winter, the conifers do. The value of a property is raised much with good stable healthy mature trees are growing.

      The price of food is horrible and trees provide bumper crop one year after another. Some trees are bi-annual like apple trees, so planting other apples trees that produce one year and the other the other year is a good idea. It is not only the cost of food, but the availability of it. Trees provide this, and are less work than people realize, than say the weeding out of vegetable gardens every few days. As survival items and just general investment, fruit and nuts trees such as pecan and walnuts and many other is smart money. Even other non food producing trees are excellent for lowering the energy costs.

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      • Anonymous2 says:

        One I know sure gets more pecans than he can use… two trees aobut 25 years old. The squirrels get an awful lot but he had hawks show up a few years ago. You can’t trap those squirrels fast enough and they are athletic and ingenious.

        Blackberry yeilds are absolutely bursting this year. Thank God for all the rain.They grow themselves and even survive onslaughts from Jap beetles. Of course, you’re competing with the deer and other animals like always.

        I think there must be fruit trees which are more resistant to bugs and require little pesticide. E.g. the person above also has plums (damson?) which are red and never has to do anything to the trees other than replace the old ones. Bird absolutely love those plums. Of coruse, wild (little yellow) plums grow natively in his area.

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      • JayJay says:

        Gardens and fruit-bearing trees are great for peaceful times.
        But when famine and hunger is next door?? Don’t even think you alone– without an army– are gonna see that produce.

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    67. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      The Biggest Ponzi Scheme In The History Of The World

      Did you know that you are involved in the most massive Ponzi scheme that has ever existed? To illustrate my point, allow me to tell you a little story. Once upon a time, there was a man named Sam. When he was younger, he had been a very principled young man that had worked incredibly hard and that had built a large number of tremendously successful businesses. He became fabulously wealthy and he accumulated far more gold than anyone else on the planet. But when he started to get a little older he forgot the values of his youth. He started making really bad decisions and some of his relatives started to take advantage of him. One particularly devious relative was a nephew named Fred. One day Fred approached his uncle Sam with a scheme that his friends the bankers had come up with. What happened next would change the course of Sam’s life forever. (Read More….)

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    68. Twitter Explodes With Threats Against Zimmerman, Random Whites

      As the George Zimmerman trial drags on, the Twitter watchers over at Twitchy have noticed an alarming trend—an explosion of people taking to the Internet with death threats against Zimmerman and random white people if the defendant is found not guilty

      presonally I cant see how he would be found guilty, for self defense..so every crazy ass cracker better be packin and be ready to defend your self , either way they are going to riot..they riot when thier team wins , they riot when they lose..so no matter that cause or out come we are all targets and we have all just been openly threatened on the internet

      theres your probable cause people

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      • http://personalliberty.com/2013/06/27/twitter-explodes-with-threats-against-zimmerman-random-whites/

        here is all the proof you should need if you are violently approached

        pretty dam scary for those not prepaired to defend themselfs, this also proves how violent these types are and for very little provoking .. and is anything being done about this? nope were on our own…pack em if you got em

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      • Triggerman says:

        I’m not sure about the rest of the country but if they riot and get violent in my little corner of Ga they will be massacred. We won’t tolerate it I assure you!

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      • Kevin2 says:

        When would someone reasonably expect this trial to be over?

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      • Ahab says:

        What do you do when a clean-cut and responsible Peruvian-American guy is acquitted for having justifiably shot and killed in self-defense a simian buck who was banging his head into the ground? “If Zimmerman get off, Ima Go Kill a White Boy.”

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/

        If these unevolved, violent and covetous stone age savages, who are totally out of place in modern technological society and have no concept of ‘due process’ or the rule of law, feel confident in threatening to murder random whites NOW (when whites outnumber them about five to one) to protest a jury verdict, think of how much FUN life will be after Schumer and Co. have disarmed us and admitted six hundred million or more Third Worlders to OUR country!

        http://youtu.be/hVcfymOvoUo

        Partition and total geographical separation from the Trayvons and the Schumers is the only solution. YES, WE CAN!

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        • Them Guys says:

          Time for America to become Nation #110 and Join with the 109 nations who seen the Light!

          Khazers tribe= Major Curse on all nations.

          African Hoards= Same.

          Both in a nation at same time?..Death to that nation.

          Double Whammy Curse of All Curse’s.

          But wait! theres even More! Not only is america infested by such a Double Whammy Curse of all Curse’s, it is also Infested by a couple More such Hoards of savages! IE: add a few Million Arab types, as well as 30+ Million Mexicans!

          And of all the varried “Types” in America today, the Only single group that consistantly Refuses to awaken and Stand as ONE group, are those of the original Founder Race of….Whiteys. Thank you, White-Guilt! you did your job well.

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      • slingshot says:

        VRF

        In my neighborhood there has been some racial stuff going on between two black families and two white. Racial slurs have been used. Over the past two months even the children have changed in attitude. The Zimmerman trail could bring it to a head.

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    69. Watchman says:

      THIS IS RIGHT ON!!!

      *Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital?*

      *Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?*

      *Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?*

      *Have you witnessed a Muslim charity?*

      *Have you seen Muslims, shaking hands with Muslim Girl Scouts?*

      *Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?*

      *Have your seen a Muslim do anything that contributes positively to the American way of life ???? *

      *The answer is no, you did not. Just ask yourself WHY ???*

      Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said:
      “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s history.”

      AN AMERICAN CITIZEN’S RESPONSE

      Dear Mr. Obama:

      Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed?
      Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

      Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day?
      Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

      Can you show me one Muslim signature on the: United States Constitution?

      Declaration of Independence? Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so.

      Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England?
      No.

      Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not.

      In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery.
      Your own half-brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug nosed slaves.”
      Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr. Obama?

      Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country?
      Not present.

      There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr.or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

      Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era?
      Again, not present.

      In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘hajib’ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband.
      Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they?

      Where were Muslims during World War II?
      They were aligned with Adolf Hitler.
      The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi’s in killing Jews.

      Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001?
      If they weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East.
      No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day.

      Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims whose asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo, Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11.

      To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

      And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have here in America…

      Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslims.

      And now we can add November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      April 15, 2013 Boston Marathon, 4 dead, 200 wounded.

      That, Mr. Obama is the “Muslim heritage” in America.

      Muslim Heritage, my ass!
      Don’t forget……………It’s a peaceful religion.

      Keep the FAITH (III)
      Watchman

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @Watchman
        I would send that to the white house,
        Should start a petition on that dumb website they started for petitions for BO to publicly read this and correct his err
        Personally i think hes a fuckin donkey and no more represents You or I than the easter bunny represents the Teamsters.

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    70. braveheart says:

      Eisen, FBP, and Shootit, all 3 of you go f#$% yourselves!

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    71. GoodDay_2EnterIntoEnternity says:

      Happy Friday all,

      I wish our CA lawmakers would read these studies….but I guess even then, it wouldn’t matter because some are “already bought and paid for” and have their allegiance to other agendas and/or countries unfortunately. In other news, I dragged my wife and the kids to a local gun store with me and she seemed very interested in a pretty pink 38 revolver. :) I want one too, never shot a 38.
      BI, totally agree on the “nut tree” (as my wife is trying to have me get rid of my baby macadamia tree which I am trying to grow now). I grew up with a large macadamia tree in my parent’s back yard. SO tasty and Nutricious……good protein/fat source if meat becomes scarce.

      Maybe I am being too optimistic, but this is for anyone that may be monitoring my “personal communications” and/or this site (especially if you are Christian or ex-military, etc.): Remember your Oaths, both to this country and to God and the world in general, the stuff that does not involve Courage, Honor, Justice, Integrity ….not worth it. You may buy yourself a little bit of time and “fake peace” on this earth and a paycheck, but if you act against the best interests of the people you are also buying yourself a very dangerous future and possibly eternal damnation as well. “Do the right thing.” This will be an age of heroes in the most unlikeliest of places. When the time comes, be brave and do what is right.
      Peace out all, “Fight the good fight”

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    72. Just be careful how far you push the sheep…sooner or later some of them will fight back

      http://screen.yahoo.com/sheep-scares-wolf-away-002856618.html

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    73. slingshot says:

      @ Braveheart.

      The words said about you family were terrible and you can get angry as hell and would not blame you.
      My approach to trolls is that you can not discuss issues with them sanely. There is no compromise or reasoning. All this site is, is a training aid. Funneling information for the Greater Good and even destructive info is useful for it shows what type of people are out there. Helps you to ferret out types that would be detrimental to your survival. Nothing, more than words, define the person speaking them. Learn from them.

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    74. Outlaw says:

      Right on slingshot. Words from cowards. The only comfort they have is being behind a monitor and keyboard.

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    75. Be informed says:

      @ braveheart. I know what you are talking about, the seriously of what is going on people like Eisenkrutz, ncjoker, finx, and all the others take as a big fat joke. There is a wide spread idea with those that choose to be ostriches that the wide oceans still separate what goes on in Asia and Europe from what goes on in the United States and Canada. Yet the U.S. is vulnerable to attack from some germ, from a nuke in a ship’s container, a dirty bomb with true hard core radiation loaded in it, and from the various natural disasters and the economy imploding.

      BO is just waiting to become emperor BO by issuing martial law. Just let a mega SHTF event occur and boom this is very likely to happen. These trolls rather play around and get everyone talking about bestality and group weirdness because they enjoy this. There talk about pleasures that expose themselves to death and terrible sickness. The same pleasure and dangerous life styles can be equated to someone that is a crackhead or is totally addicted to meth. They are so driven by temporary “pleasure” that they don’t see the longer term consequences of their bizarro actions.

      Eisencrust attacks you and all of us for not indulging into pleasures, whatever that might be. His ideas of pleasures gives him AIDS one day if not already, and a whole wide level of disease and human rot, just like the way some meth head’s teeth rot out of their head from their addiction and need for sugar at all costs on top of the destruction of the body from taking in poisonous chemicals. Addictions are this way, they ruin the human spirit.

      Where the prepper gets pleasure from preparation and a sense of security to know they will fare much better when something horrible happens. Eisencrust talks about short term “pleasures” just like the druggie, that he pays for afterwards in spades. Free clinics that treat people with disease throughout their bodies are full of individuals that go for the short term satisifactions, dying and rotting away. Those whom live life for the flesh pay for it, has throughout human history. There is a golden reason why lust is one of the 7 deadly sins, it is telling you to stop living life like some animal. This is what is suppose to separate us from the common animal, we have minds to think with.

      You and most of the people here are so much better off because you and others understand what is important, and go towards intellectual enlightment and gravitate towards true spiritual advancement.

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    76. How I feel says:

      I just keep stacking silver and loading up on rental real estate…not a lot of it. Keep it in good shape and let the rents roll in.

      Time will start to kill off the silent generation…..then in time the boomers.
      The currency will be steadily destroyed. In time riots will break out
      and at that point…they will add something to the chemtrails or they will mess with the GMO seeds and one day…we have a global crop failure.
      Then that goes down you’ll need to hide your food.

      The protesters will be taken to fema camps and killed.
      China and Russian UN “Peace keepers” will descend on the US and it will be all over.

      They will ban guns and make you turn in your fire arms.

      Those that resists will be taken out by drones.

      Evil times are coming… I just how they put it off the next 25 years to let me enjoy all the great toys I’ll be buying up cheap from the boomers kids.

      No matter what the price of silver is…I’ll just keep buying.

      In the end…I’ll have a full safe and I know it will have a greater value in the future…the device you are reading this on uses silver. Now magnify that by billions to be created…and silver is going extinct.

      I want you to observer the main issue on this planet… Over population.
      The bilderbergers are planning something.

      I think it’s a crop failure. That’s the easiest way to kill off all of Africa and other countries.

      By the way… seek out a salt pipe for asthma…caused by chemtrails.

      RE: Paula Deen…. Just another witch hunt.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        What is a salt pipe? Will look it up but curious what you know? Not many good options out there.

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      • Mordacai says:

        Lots of the lung infections are going around. Major build up in fluids results with respitory failure. I found ephederine to greatly relieve these and mucinex helps (may want to buy ephederine when you can). What’s weird is galic, colloidal silver, or ginger dosn’t seem to help a lot with these. Ceyanne pepper seems to help open them up too if you happen to catch one. I still think they will run a pandemic on us first. It will create mass fear and they can come out as saviors in the end when lots of people die off. Rockefellers invested heavily in the pharmiceuticals. For years they have been working on tick and mosquito born diseases at Lyme island.

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    77. Anonymous says:

      israel jew mossad did 9/11

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    78. Be informed says:

      By the way I forgot to mention to those interested that there was two precursor quakes on the southwest corner of the Nazca plate. This exact spots in the past lead to big major quakes in the New guinea area big time, along with the small zone from Soloman Islands to Fiji, Japan and the Kuril Islands several times including a 8.3 20 days later back in 2003, Congo area in Africa, the Svalbard area above Norway, and Central America. This is 100% of the time this area leads to major earthquakes. Something lurks massive on the horizon, these precursor quakes show this, especially down south of the U.S. and then likely on the west coast of the U.S.

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    79. GoodDay_2EnterIntoEternity says:

      Thanks VRF for the info. It SUCKs for me to have to worry about
      this kind of stuff, but just the realities of life I guess. My wife and son
      are very light skinned (one Grandfather had blond hair and blue eye, his family
      came from a part of Spain that borders France and another Grandfather was “straight up
      Indigineous” he could have passed for pure Native American). My little man, “my little white boy”
      looks totally European to the untrained eye. I worry for him especially, especially from
      those who would attack someone just for the color of their skin.
      Man, sad and confusing times indeed. Just like someone else in Southern California said:
      “Can’t we all just get along?’ May God have
      mercy on us all. The cool thing about our family,
      they come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Mostly from
      “European and Mexican Indian stock”…..but we also have a little
      Jewish, and Arabic, and my kids a little Asian. Interesting stuff.
      Peace out

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      • I hear ya GoodDay_2EnterIntoEternity

        My wife is from Peru, and she looks like a mix of Orental and South American, with some Inca mixed in..Brown skin, so most un-educated and prejudice people see her as Mexican..most people of color (darker color, blacks) scowel at her, and even some whites do , because they are too stupid to know where shes from.

        Our Daughter is blue eye/blonde with American Indian features mostly due to the fact Im part Native American with a lot of German and Irish in me ( funny how she got designed by God that way)..were a walking Heinz 57, lol people just don’t know what to think of this trio when walking down the street..so we get a lot of looks..some ok..but some not so comforting.

        all 3 of us are taking Krav Maga.. not that we intend to use it to be the aggressor, but we sure will back it up if we are pushed to defend ourselves, we are all well fit and walk with purpose and heads up..I also pack and don’t go anywhere without it have been since early 2000′s

        although we have had the looks from others, not one of them has ever made the move to step to us..yet.
        we hope that day never comes, but we also hope that we will deal with it properly if that time comes

        yes, Peace is what is needed, unfortunately , some just cant be happy in peace

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    80. PenCRNA says:

      Story on drudge….teen jailed for months over sarcastic online threat. Kid could be sentenced to 8 years. Trial starts july1

      Sure this needed investigating, but really…..ruin the kids life? Wonder if there is something thy are not revealing.

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    81. slingshot says:

      Killing whites at random would set the whole race war into action. More than the D.C. sniper. Justice for Trayvon will have many innocents killed.
      Should acts of violence break out against whites in many cities, I wonder how the press will handle the news.

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      • Anonymous says:

        We are being set up. The US Government, threatened with all the ‘gates’ undermining its credibility, legitimacy, and authority, are looking for a way to suspend the Constitution. The plan to stage a provocation with Adam Kokesh’s march into DC collapsed, but now it appears that he US Government is hoping to trick Treyvon Martin’s supporters into rioting acrss the nation; a large-scale repeat of the riots in Los Angeles back in 1992. That will allow the government to get rid of the Constitution they so clearly hate, and they are counting on the black population to be stupid enough to fall for it.

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      • no matter how it goes, they will use it for their own reasons to act how ever they choose.

        an excuse if you will

        I have seen where they act out when their team has lost a game, I have also seen where they have acted out because their team has won..to use that as an example

        they don’t really need a reason..they just look for an excuse to be fools, and act like animals

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        • slingshot says:

          VRF.

          If there is any doubt that there will be riots on either verdict, then the Black community must come out against violence. Pastor’s Deacon’s and those in the community held in high positions of public trust.
          Silence will only condone violent behavior and people like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and Charlie Rangel must get ahead of the ball. Action after the fact will have little effect. Aggressive action will be met with aggressive action. Hostile advancement toward me with a gun, rock, bottled liquid, stick, axe, knife and other instrument, I deemed life threatening, will be met with force.

          Like I said if the black community does nothing beforehand. All bets are off. You have been warned.

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    82. PenCRNA says:

      CT posters. CCDL pig roast fundraiser on July 7 $20 pp, under 12 eat free. Go to CCDL dot us to check out the website. 2 petitions for injunctions against the new gun ban have been filed. Join CCDL. Help us preserve our right to bear arms!

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    83. Anonymous says:

      the US Government did not get their staged provocation with Adam Kokesh’s planned armed march into Washington DC next week. But they are still looking for a way to declare a National Emergency, suspend the Constitution, institute permanent martial law, grab the guns (and the gold), and nation-wide race riots like the Los Angeles 1992 Rodney King riots on steroids would serve that purpose quite nicely.

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    84. Anonymous says:

      what is happening with banks in Europe…is not likely to stay in Europe.

      Please have only the money necessary to pay bills in your bank account: keep the rest under your personal control at all times: the “haircut” (read: financial scalping) we have seen in Cypress may well come to the US, more quickly and quietly than you could possibly imagine.

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    85. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 says:

      Washington Is Insane — Paul Craig Roberts

      Both Russia and China are now preparing for the war that they see as inevitable. Washington’s crazed, demented drive for world hegemony is bringing unsuspecting Americans up against two countries with hydrogen bombs whose combined population is five times the US population. In such a conflict everyone dies.

      http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/06/17/washington-is-insane-paul-craig-roberts/

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    86. Tucker says:

      I think it ought to be pretty dad-gummed obvious by this point that disarming the law abiding White European male is the primary obsession of the Democrat party. I mean, just look at the volume of raw, rancid, festering hatred and venom that the left spews 24/7, 365 from the mainstream media and which is brazenly and openly directed at ‘White males’, and particularly conservative White males who are proud, racially aware White Southern men.

      Democide is exactly what the Democrat Party has a set of blue balls over, folks. Filthy, stinking, totalitarian, gun grabbers like Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Boxer, Bloodberg, or Tim Kaine, do not give a rat’s rear end about disarming the folks who comprise the populations of crime infested cities like Detroit, East St Lous, Memphis, New Orleans, Camden, or Oakland or South Central LA. No, these stinking totalitarian Bolshevik Communists want to disarm law abiding White men – because they have a desire inside their black and evil hearts to exterminate us.

      Exactly according to the Bolshevik Communist game plan when they took over Russia in 1917 and then proceeded to mass murder in excess of 66 million White Europeans of Russian and Ukrainian descent. They want us disarmed and defenseless so as to make their murderous plans easier for them.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Spot on comment, some of these legislators are just plain dumb, then like you said, there is that evil underlaying personal agenda, nothing at all to do with the good of the people. If that was the primary concern they would use their militarized cops to shut down inner city crime, but when they are running polls to see who liberals think are worse, muslim extremists or tea party, and it comes back tea party we know their agenda involves shutting conservatives down.
        MOLON LABE

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    87. Outlaw says:

      I truly hope MAC considers banning the troublemakers. Not those who have a difference of opinion, but the troublemakers. I have been lurking this website for a couple of years and have only recently started posting. I would have participated more, but did not want to deal with idiots. At this point there is so much garbage to filter through that the site is becoming useless. I feel this site would receive a LOT more posts and participation if the troublemakers were eliminated. I know there are LOTS of people who read this site, but do not participate for the simple reason of the trolls being allowed free roam. This is becoming ridiculous, I thought the point of this site was to share information and to grow and learn from each other. The garbage is becoming so insane that it is no longer worth the effort. At this rate I can go over to infowars and see the same articles x10 and the same garbage posted in the comments. This site used to stand above and beyond the rest. At this point it is no better than infowars or ATS or the numerous others. I plead with you MAC to clean this place back up and stand above the others.

      I am also open for suggestions from others to a better forum for sharing info. I do not have alot of time to spend on the computer filtering garbage, so I would like to make the time I have count. If any know of a site where the info is shared and the garbage is thrown out, please share.

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      • Tucker says:

        The ‘hot debate’ ought to be this: How is a ‘troublemaker defined’?

        For a trolling enemy agent provocateur, a troublemaker would be defined as anyone who is exposing the identity of the primary instigators of 99% of the evil we see unfolding all around us. Such people need to be silenced, so as to help prevent them from helping others to wake up and see the reality, as opposed to the artificial fantasy that the owners of our mainstream media and their accomplices who’ve hijacked our government would prefer that the sheeple believed.

        This reminds me of an old military expression that evidently was coined by someone in the Air Force. It goes something like this: “If you are not catching flak then you are obviously not over the target.”

        Ponder that expression, when you see people suggesting that some posters need to have their comments disapproved.

        As for me, I like hearing the enemy spouting their lies and disinformation – because of two reasons. First, it helps expose their agenda and, secondly, their lies are always easy to expose and debunk by simply responding with the truth and the facts.

        We have truth on our side, so we will prevail in the end.

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    88. GoodDay_2EnterIntoEternity says:

      Nice VRF, you sure you are not one of my brother in laws? LOL, funny
      He is mostly German, Irish, and Mexican with Apache! Man, he is a true
      “warrior”. Yup, I have been showing my daughter and son and
      wife self defense stuff here and there when the opportunity presents itself.
      (I am by no means an expert, and rapidly trying to get back into
      Lthe swing of things). Trying to fully awaken my wife that our realities are changing
      rapidly and I don’t think they will ever be the same again. It’s a fine
      balance between making them more aware and informed without getting them too
      scared or paranoid. It really makes my blood boil when I have to
      explain something to them that little kids should not have to be worrying
      about. They should be living a simple innocent life ….but, circumstances
      have forced us otherwise. Hopefully, they can pass on the good stuff
      to their kids.
      Peace out

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      • Well im probably not family, but more than likely by heritage somehow, at least we are Brothers at arms as far as being American.

        I know exactly where your coming from as far as the information put down to the spouse and kids, yes its a razors edge how far to step one side or the other..
        my Wife is from a big city, and very well versed in watching her back, but she is still of the smaller and weaker gender ( no offence ladies, its just a fact nothing derogatory insinuated) Our child however has been sheltered to some extent, shes well aware of “bad people” but shes had Mom and I to Deal with those types or buffer it from her.

        Unfortunately these times call for a wake up, and for preparedness , and abilities to defend ones self from those that have intent and means to do you harm no matter where you are, or what you may be doing. Hence the training and practice

        Peace is what we need, I don’t think its coming, so being ready is the order of the day

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    89. Satori says:

      We Are Not OK

      Turn Your Back This Fourth of July

      http://ericpetersautos.com/2013/06/27/turn-your-back-this-fourth-of-july/

      “. And the reality is that the America we once celebrated on the Fourth of July is gone, replaced by something dark and ominous.

      It is painfully obvious – so why pretend otherwise?”

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    90. Watchman says:

      Thanksgiving in a Dutch Oven

      2 lb cooked sliced turkey, deli style, ripped into 2″ chunks
      3 boxes dry dressing mix
      3 cans mushroom soup
      4 oz butter
      4 cups water,boiling
      3 cans green beans, drained

      Grease dutch oven. Layer turkey, beans, and mushroom soup, spreading evenly. Combine mix, butter and water. Pat dressing on top of soup. Cover. Cook 20-30 minutes without peeking in medium coals.
      Result: a full meal with meat, gravy, dressing ,and a vegetable!

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    91. Watchman says:

      CAJUN DIRTY RICE

      2 tb Chicken fat 1 ts Black pepper
      1/2 lb Chicken gizzards 2 ts Paprika
      1/4 lb Ground pork 1 ts Dry mustard
      1 Bay leaves 1 ts Cumin
      1 Yellow onions 1/2 ts Thyme
      1 1/2 Celery stalks 1/2 ts Oregano
      1/2 Bell peppers, green 2 tb Butter
      1 Garlic cloves 2 c Pork stock
      1 ts Tabasco sauce 1/2 lb Chicken livers
      1 ts Salt 1 c Rice

      Mince onion, bell pepper, celery and garlic. Grind livers and gizzards.
      Place fat, gizzards, pork and bay leaves in large heavy skillet over high
      heat; cook until meat is thoroughly browned, about 6 minutes, stirring
      occasionally. Stir in the onion, celery, bell pepper, garlic, Tabasco,
      salt, pepper, paprika, mustard, cumin, thyme, and oregano; stir thoroughly,
      scraping pan bottom well. Add the butter and stir until melted. Reduce heat
      to medium and cook about 8 minutes, stirring constantly and scraping pan
      bottom well. Add the stock or water and stir until any mixture sticking
      to the pan bottom comes loose; cook about 8 minutes over high heat,
      stirring once. Then stir in the chicken livers and cook about 2 minutes.
      Add the rice and stir thoroughly; cover pan and turn heat to very low; cook
      about 5 minutes. Remove from heat and leave covered until rice is tender,
      about 10 minutes. Remove bay leaves and serve

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    92. GoodDay_2EnterIntoEternity says:

      Hi all, little off topic but very interesting. When you
      get a chance, check out Mike Adams’ (from the NaturalNews website) take on some
      of the Zimmerman case testimony. Makes sense to me.
      Pretty much explains how “we the people” are also being attacked
      “chemically/nutrition wise”. Makes sense if you tie it in with the “total control”
      agenda of some of the powers at large.
      http://www.naturalnews.com/040993_Rachel_Jeantel_brain_damage_aspartame.html

      Peace out

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    93. Grasshopper says:

      Concerning guns… TPTB seem to be getting their butts kicked recently. Today’s paper said that old Biden’s attempt to make strickter gun control here in Delaware didn’t go through either.. was voted against it. : )

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      • Tucker says:

        Failure hasn’t ever deterred Communists and liberals. They will be back. I think this amnesty push is a huge part of what they are convinced is their ace up their sleeve on the abolition of the Second Amendment.

        Every single poll taken shows that Hispanics, mestizos, Chicanos or Latinos or whatever these invading aliens choose to call themselves on any given week or month – are adamantly anti-Second Amendment. And, they are equally adamant big government parasites – they love free things, such as endless social entitlements that are paid for by the mostly White Middle class taxpayers – who happen to own most of the firearms and who are the biggest and most passionate supporters of the Second Amendment. So, the Communist Democrats want to add another 30 to 50 million new leftist, anti-gun bloodsucking leeches to their voting block – and then, no matter how loudly the White gun owning public screams, they can then steamroll the Second Amendment over the cliff and then send their goons out to confiscate our firearms.

        That is why this amnesty bill cannot be allowed to pass in the House. Turn up the heat, fellow patriots. And, keep stocking up on ammo and firearms and prepare for a Second American Revolution.

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    94. braveheart says:

      Eisenpuke and FBP, there’s no blood being drawn unless you want that to happen. NOMI CATIMF BRAVEHEART

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    95. The Lone Ranger says:

      Once again, I am upset at the hatred shown in various posts here– if not at each other, then toward specific groups, such as gay people.

      Let’s review the facts:

      Modern Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish Biblical Scholars are in agreement as to the following:

      a- There is no condemnation of the homosexual person in either the Old Testament or New Testament;

      b- The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of inhospitality to the stranger: any type or kind of exclusionary practices (social, personal, economic, political, etc.) shown toward the stranger or anyone who was different or was perceived as such.

      It was THIS sin (inhospitality) that was the reason why God (Yahweh) PULVERIZED those two twin cities!

      And YES, Yahweh also condemned the way a victor humiliated his enemy in that day and age (which was through anal penetration, among other things).

      When Christ says in the New Testament, “It will be worse for you on the Day of Judgment than it was for the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah”, He was/is referring to any human being who excludes another, which certainly puts a DIFFERENT spin on “We need to ‘get back to the Bible’ “!

      I respect every person here. But every time I read the written violence in the form of attacks and condemnation of persons (not behavior), I feel upset and angry, in short violated. Violations have to be met with the truth, even scholarship.

      Our country is under attack, from within and without, by godless individuals intent on DESTROYING everyone and everything for their own self-aggrandizement and more.

      I am concerned that if hostile/violent words ARE bullets, then we are doing their destructive work for them.

      How horrible!

      “I might be despicable, but when Truth speaks through me, I am invincible.” – Gandhi

      Despicably yours,
      The Lone Ranger

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      • Them Guys says:

        Lone ranger, that is 100% Crap. Every bible except corrupted new ager types says the Xact oppoiste of 99% of what you said. Better find and READ a good bible source and re thing such nonsensical bs as you posted.

        ps why keep quoteing gandi a hindu if you try to get us to think you are christain. If you truely believe what you posted on homos etc…You could likly get a job as a preacher today even on TV! Your BS is better than Theirs!

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          I am a Christian and feel no shame in saying so, Them Guys. Nor am I a minister or a preacher.

          Biblical scholars interpret the Bible, as they do their exegesis (scriptural study), contextually, not literally, like fundamentalist preachers do. I have a degree in Theology and have studied this.

          Shakespeare said it best, “The devil can cite Scripture to prove his point.” Yes indeed, Mr. Shakespeare!

          For the record, I do not discriminate against homosexual people, even though some are promiscuous and get HIV.

          Likewise, also for the record, I do not discriminate against heterosexual people, even though some are promiscuous, and get HIV, and divorce 53% of the time (I do not know how many states allow non-heterosexual people to marry or divorce.)

          I am commanded to love thy neighbor.

          Love thy straight neighbor.

          Love thy gay neighbor.

          Love thy white neighbor.

          Love thy non-white neighbor.

          Love thy fat neighbor.

          Love thy skinny neighbor.

          Sometimes I find it hard to love my neighbor.

          But I try.

          I ain’t no saint, and I ain’t perfect.

          But something wicked this way comes. It’s coming FAST, Them Guys.

          And the evil that is coming is coming from evil folk, not homosexual folk.

          “Do not judge, lest ye be judged.” – Jesus

          The Lone Ranger

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      • Tucker says:

        {Second Attempt to post this comment. If it gets censored again, then I’ll have my answer as to whether or not this website is a homosexual agenda pushing website.}

        I think the Lone Ranger wears a pink mask.

        And, perhaps he needs to hit this website link and update his awareness on the Homosexual Agenda, plus his awareness of what scripture has to say on the topic:

        http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality

        Below are some Bible verses that condemn homosexuality:

        Leviticus 18:22 – You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
        Leviticus 20:13 – If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
        Romans 1:26-27 – For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
        I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV) – Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
        I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB) – “But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.”

        Incidentally, I am not fanatically religious and am not a ‘bible thumper’, in case the Lone Ranger was wondering. I prefer to view the threat coming from this Homosexual movement through a prism of how it threatens my freedoms and liberties, rather than from a strictly religious or moral standpoint.

        Accordingly, here is an excellent expose on the Homosexual Agenda and how it poses an extremely serious threat to our sacred Constitutional liberties in a variety of sinister ways:

        http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda

        I would wager a sizable sum that, when and if most regular readers of shtfplan.com visit these web links and spend some time reviewing the material that is presented there – that the vast majority of sane and healthy, freedom loving patriots will wind up agreeing with me and not the Lone Ranger on this topic.

        News Flash: This issue is much, much bigger than a simple matter of a couple of gay dudes practicing a bout of anal acupuncture in the privacy of their own bedroom.

        Vladimir Putin ‘gets’ the Big Picture and what the ‘Agenda’ is behind this jewish financed and promoted effort to shove this unsavory, nation destroying behavior into the mainstream and indoctrinate our impressionable children with this poison.

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        • “{Second Attempt to post this comment. If it gets censored again, then I’ll have my answer as to whether or not this website is a homosexual agenda pushing website.}”

          No censorship or agenda intended… it’s the weekend and I have been a bit late getting started Tucker.

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          • Tucker says:

            Okay, thanks for the clarification, Max.

            I have developed a deep level of confidence in this website, for being an advocate of Free Speech.

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        • The Lone Ranger says:

          As I stated above, I am a Christian and not ashamed to identify myself as such.

          I’m not a Bible thumper either, Tucker.

          But why did you leave out the Heterosexual agenda?

          You know, the one where parents throw out their gay kids onto the streets making them much more vulnerable to homelessness, STDs, suicide, prostitution, murder, and drug abuse than str8 kids who get thrown out? Gay kids have a higher rate of all that stuff.

          God brings us gifts (children) and then we throw them OUT?

          We are commanded, “Thou shalt not kill.” Throwing kids out, exiling them– be they gay or straight– IS a form of killing, and it DOES kill, Tucker..

          It’s nice to sit back, type on a keyboard, when you are comfortable, clothed, fed, warm, air-cooled, and pronounce judgment on a group of people who God made gay, just as God made you straight, with a literal reading of the Bible.

          Lastly, please don’t confuse a literal reading of the Bible = what preachers preach, with the (contextual) truth as revealed by women and men who have devoted their lives to studying the Sacred Scriptures who explain to us when the Biblical author lived, what their community was like, what the original language they wrote in says. Some preachers cut and paste what they like instead of challenging their congregants or congregation with God’s Holy Word.

          I ain’t no saint, but we all are commanded to love thy neighbor. We are NOT called to love evil.

          The Lone Ranger

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    96. That 3 million (the highest end number) is a rubbish statistic as you can’t prove a non-event. “I saved my family from a violent attack” may equally mean “I waved a gun in the air and scared non-violent people at my front door I didn’t like the look of”. Gun nuts like to tout the scenario of a perfectly innocent victim being attacked by a violent criminal even though such an event is extremely rare as most crime occurs between family members and acquaintances.

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      • Smokey says:

        Not true, Gil, according the Justice Dept., only 11% of violent crime in the country is intrafamily, while 46& of violent crime is committed by strangers.

        Do your homework.

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    97. John Claggart says:

      Did anyone here, including the author, actually read this report in its entirety? I was rather puzzled, since its preliminary conclusions are largely the opposite of what the author claims, until I realized how flagrantly the author has taken quotes and statistics out of context. This is not going to help our case. It’s difficult enough to go up against Obama’s gun-ban extremists without having a fifth column eroding our credibility.

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    98. RedneckBob says:

      Ive always like this Quote, and it appears to support this study perfectly.

      An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his actions with his life.

      Robert A. Heinlein

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    99. Charles Bronson says:

      “..WE, the people has the right to posses Atomic Bombs, in order to protect ourselves, our homes and our territories…..”

      IT IS RIDICULOUS……

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