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    When Governments Go Rogue

    Brandon Smith
    December 1st, 2011
    Alt-Market.com
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    Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com delivers yet another powerful missive as he outlines the transgressions of a government that has gone completely rogue and counter to the founding principles of our Constitution. This one is a must read to the very last line.


    There are those today who would claim that the lifeblood of a nation is dependent upon the graces of its government.  That government is the focal point of cultural growth, and that we as citizens should respect it as such.  I would be more inclined to agree if the public did not so easily confuse the ideals of leadership with the actions of criminals.  That is to say, regardless of what we wish our government to be, bureaucracies rarely, if ever, embody the spirit of the common man (a necessity for any system that purports to defend the citizenry).  Instead, bureaucracies almost inevitably deteriorate into vehicles for the perpetuation of tyranny driven by the very worst of all stewards; elitist minorities with delusions of godhood.

    Unfortunately, despite this fact, the masses often treat these industrious vermin and the plagues of society that they build with the same reverence as they would a sincere and honorable body politic.

    Government is not nor has it ever been a foregone conclusion.  Government is not concrete.  It is not tangible.  It is not the foundation of society.  Instead, government is an abstraction; a fantastic dream of collectivist paternity in the face of individual hardship.  Those who fear to wander the world on their own courage, strength, and merit, seek to elevate and empower “decision makers” to provide the comfort of limited liability.  Through this process, governments are created out of thin air.  All governmental authority is, thus, HANDED to those in positions of leadership.  What makes one man a “king” and another man a “peasant”?  Only the people of a country, and where they choose to place their personal control; in their own hands, or the hands of others.

    To put it simply, there is no power over us but that which we give away, and no freedom lost, that cannot be regained.

    Until this reality is understood, consecutive generations of human beings will be left to wonder astonished at the endless atrocities of governments they thought they could trust.  The truth is, no government, no matter how seemingly noble, deserves our full faith.  All governments must be treated like storehouses of aging dynamite; with extreme vigilance, care, and suspicion, because, it is in the very nature of centralized power to sink towards destabilization and disaster.

    The American dynamic was meant to be different.  For the first time in history, a group of people organized an administrative body which was predicated upon the will of the general populace and not the will of the incorporated elite.  The Constitution was the first legal document designed to LIMIT the power of government, not endlessly exonerate it.  Though many in our modern age have become completely ignorant of its original intent, the Constitution and its written protections allowed for the first decentralized government of the Western world, if not the entire world.  A government which was specifically tasked with shielding the rights of the individual beyond the desires of the mindless “majority”, or the normally influential aristocracy.

    Obviously, we have strayed far and away beyond the schematics set forth by the founding fathers.

    Let us finally be honest with ourselves and say it out loud; our government is not Constitutional!  It has become a mutation.  A monstrosity.  A malformed creature given birth by the oozing genetic material of mad social scientists hell bent on dominating the building blocks of our political life.  It is a thing to be abhorred, not admired, and certainly not to be trusted.

    The statement above may be confusing to those who have relegated their concerns to the immediate.  If one is free to walk about the streets, keep a job, have a drink, and settle in front of his television for hours on end, then what is there to be worried about?  If he is not directly affected by the ill notions of men in far off banks and capitols, then why care at all?  If the pain of government criminality only strikes people from “other” cultures, or other walks of life, why be concerned?  For those who actually suffer from this brand of idiocy, I can only relate the unwarranted role that our government has assumed within our society and hope that they begin to realize how extraordinarily unsafe they really are.  The injustices visited upon the few are invariably visited upon the many in time, especially where a rogue government resides.

    The kind of intrusion by government allowed by the American people today is utterly astounding.  Bank records, medical records, political viewpoints, phone conversations, emails, child rearing practices, food eating habits, health pursuits, social networking habits, biometric data, travel; nothing is safe from the prying eyes of government anymore.

    At what point did we as a nation decide that the government’s opinion of the domestic ideal should become the precedent?  At what point did we decide that a faceless bureaucracy knows better than we do what is best for us?  When did our lives become an open book to be read at the government’s leisure?

    I say “we decided”, because we must bear a large part of the blame.  From the institution of the Patriot Acts, to the utilization of the FISA domestic spying bill, to the latest monitoring and cataloging by the DHS and the Federal Reserve of private internet activity, we have stood by and done little to nothing in response.

    The argument put forth by establishment proponents has always been that the government’s task is to keep us safe.  In order to do this, they say, there can be nowhere for “evil doers” to hide.  Therefore, the privacy of every individual must be sacrificed for the greater good of the greater number.  This argument is unabashed nonsense.

    Governments do not keep people safe.  Governments are historically predisposed to ending far more lives than they protect, especially when they have strayed from their original mandates.  When a government goes rogue, or has been honed as a tool for control rather than defense, its directives lean towards self preservation, not the preservation of the public.  That is to say, the government and those who directly benefit from its manipulation set policies that ensure their own safety, and no one else’s.

    Without a doubt, all the anti-4th Amendment legislation that has been passed over the course of last decade is focused not on some sinister force, foreign or domestic.  Instead, it has been focused on average American citizens, because, whether we want to admit it or not, the government sees US as their greatest enemy.

    There was a time when even I would have considered this view as a bit “extreme”.  However, I would now have to point out the introduction of bills and executive orders like the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, which essentially erases Posse Comitatus and allows for Martial Law to be instituted with extreme prejudice under executive authority:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.R.5122:


    http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

    As well as the attempted passage of the Enemy Belligerents Act, which would allow for the capture, torture, and indefinite incarceration of American citizens as “enemy combatants:

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3081/show

    Not to mention the National Emergency Centers Act which allows for the detention of civilians in military and FEMA run facilities:

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

    Or the Obama Administration’s continuance of Bush doctrine which allows for the assassination of U.S. citizens designated as “enemy combatants”:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/middleeast/07yemen.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/26/AR2010012604239_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010012700394

    And most recently, the National Defense Authorization Act, a defense spending action which is being used to coattail legislation which decimates all Constitutional checks and balances and leaves the door open for the government to declare any region they wish a “combat zone”.  These provisions are just a rewritten combination of the Enemy Belligerents Act (both bills were fostered by the hand of John McCain) and the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, giving government free reign to designate any person, even an American citizen, as an enemy combatant.  This means that anyone, including you, could one day be detained without Habeas Corpus, without fair trial, without due process, without legal representation, forever.  Period.

    You think rendition only occurs in Middle Eastern hellholes?  Think again.  With these bills and others like them, the American public is now fair game.

    Rationalizations for the above actions abound.  Some of the most common naïve positions include the following:

    1)  Assassinations Against Al Qaeda Agents, Even If They Are American Citizens, Is Justifiable

    The nature of the target is irrelevant to the principle underlying the situation.  I don’t care if Anwar al-Awlaki was an agent of Hades, the conscience of a country must take precedence over the short term threats that country faces.  If a society is unable to maintain its conscience and its principles in the face of hardship, then perhaps that society is not worthy of survival.  There are, indeed, many more important things than national security.

    This is how all tyranny begins; with a small group or element of a culture singled out for the loss of human rights, while the rest of the people look on and cheer.  Eventually, the exception to the rule becomes the rule, and everyone suffers.  Under no circumstances should our government be allowed to rewrite Constitutional protections or our moral compass, even if it means giving so called “terrorists” fair treatment under the law.  Never forget, the term “terrorist” is as arbitrary as any nowadays, and could be used against you as easily as it could be used against anyone else.

    2)  The Domestic Realm Is A Haven For “Homegrown Terrorists”

    Again, “homegrown terrorism” is a highly arbitrary label.  If one looks at statements and white papers coming from the Department Of Homeland Security, or the Department Of Justice, anyone from Constitutionalists, to Ron Paul supporters, to militia members, to barter networkers and sound money proponents, or anyone who even expresses an interest in any of these subjects, is considered a potential domestic terrorist threat.

    Where is this headed?  Think about it.  If these types of people are already being categorized as extremists, what’s to stop the government form categorizing them as enemy combatants?

    3)  Rendition And Torture Could Save Lives

    Okay.  Let’s say for the sake of argument that rendition and torture actually could save some lives, though I have never heard of any of these Jack Bauer moments taking place in the real world.  Let’s say my life and those I love could be spared.  Frankly, I would rather die than be a party to behavior as reprehensible as kidnapping and torture.  I couldn’t care less about the theoretical benefits of the activity.  As stated earlier, a nation hanging by the poisonous framework of moral relativism is doomed to failure and decay.  Despite the propaganda often spread by elitist elements without our government, our military, and our local law enforcement, you DO NOT need to become the monster in order to defeat the monster.  This lie should not be allowed to stand…

    4)  You Are “Overreacting” To The Legislation, And Americans Will Not Be Targeted

    Senator Lindsay Graham, a backer of the National Defense Authorization Act, specifically outlined the bill’s jurisdiction over American citizens and even admitted it makes the U.S. itself a “combat zone” under the international laws of war (while at the same time presenting the lie that Federal due process would somehow be enforced for those who are captured).  We who oppose the bill could do a lot more without being rightfully accused of “overreaction”.  If Americans are not to be targeted, then why create the bill in the first place?  Traditional laws of war would be more than sufficient to handle foreign threats, and domestic response agencies like the FBI could easily continue doing whatever it is they supposedly do to safeguard our country.  The ONLY reason to introduce a bill which frees the U.S. Government and the DHS to act militarily within the borders of our own nation would be to target U.S. citizens, and to undermine normal Constitutional processes.

    The legislation is self-incriminating.  Only a complete dullard would argue otherwise.

    5)  The Government Is A Body Elected By The People, Therefore They Are One And The Same

    The only practical explanation I can think of for someone to actually believe this argument is overmedication.  Despite what we’re all taught in middle school, our government as it exists today and has for many decades does not represent the will of the people.  Two dominant political parties with cosmetic differences in rhetoric but nearly identical legislative platforms and voting records is not an expression of a legitimately free republic.  The system revolves around corporate ideologies of globalization, not elections.  Its beneficiaries are a limited and powerful fringe of society, not the masses.  It is a rigged game.  A fake battle between two gladiators owned by the same Caesar.  To say that the people and the government are one-in-the-same is a gross error in judgment.

    After researching and acknowledging the course our government has taken, the question then arises; what is the ultimate end result?  Barring multiple miracles of a complete economic turnaround, full third party inclusion in our political structure, the deconstruction of the Federal Reserve, the decentralization of financial influence, the reintroduction of Constitutional insulation degraded since 2001, and the complete pullback of troops involved in ongoing wars in the Middle East, there can be only one outcome:  total conflict.

    We did not create this division.  The American people did not ask to be targeted.  Though we certainly have not done enough to fend off the numerous attacks upon our general liberties, the root of the problem still lay within the core of our government, the puppet leaders who abuse it, and the corporate elitists who use it as a staging ground for personal agendas.  We have become two separate groups that cannot and will not be reconciled.  The government is openly admitting this through legislation like the National Defense Authorization Act.  Its time we did the same.

    When two forces diametrically opposed exist upon the same ground at the same time with the same force of will, war erupts.  A war of philosophies, a war of dissent, and sometimes, a war of weapons.  As unsettling as that might sound, we must take solace in the fact that we at least fight for what is honest.  If every American must conform to the twisted path our government has chosen, or be branded an ‘enemy combatant”, then may we all become domestic threats in our own backyard.

    You can contact Brandon Smith at:  brandon@alt-market.com

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    1. Iowa says:

      Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. – George Washington

      35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

      “Nothing,” they answered.

      36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

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    2. salvadordaly says:

      I cringe when my wife tells me she feels safer becuase the TSA is there doing what they do. These elitest are way out of hand. Ask yourself, where does it stop? It will not unless something is done. Are government is just like the WWF. All buisness in the ring, and behind the scenes they are coordinating the next show, good against bad, now lets go get a drink after the show. Wake up people!

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      • Fed Up says:

        When will it stop? By my assessment, it will stop when we are living in a replica of Nazi-Germany.

        I have been downright horrified since the Patriot Act was passed. It “made legal” acts that our government has engaged in previously during war that were illegal.

        During wartime, our nation has rounded up americans and put them into camps ( for example, Japanese americans during WWII) and then apologized to that group afterward- nevermind that their entire lives were destroyed because of it. After the war ended, they were released, and our government “apologized” for their behavior. This has happened to whatever group of people we happened to be in a war with -AND THEY WERE AMERICANS!!!!

        So, beginning with the Patriot Act our rights have been nullified. No privacy (phone use, banking, meetings internet), no secretive behaviors of any kind, religious beliefs are suspect, preparing for emergencies is suspect (yes, personal responsibility is suspect), and the list goes on.

        Trust the government?

        I trust the government to try to steal my hard-earned money, erode and eventually decimate my rights as set forth by the creator, and lie through its forked tongue.

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        • durango kidd says:

          90 million gun owners in America can turn this country around without firing a shot.

          Organize, volunteer, donate and vote.

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          • NSBF says:

            DK, I appreciate your consistency. Keep say’n it…it will eventually sink in.

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          • DK I’m so glad you said that. So many people are fed up and then start spouting violence, anarchy, etc. Organize and vote. The 80 congressman sent to Washington by the “Tea Party” and the Republicans in 2010 are far from perfect, but they are an improvement. They have done what I wanted in some cases not in others, but you can hardly except to right this ship in one cycle. They need senators who will back them up and hopefully we can get them 5 or 10 of those in Nov.12 and a president that will give consideration to their agenda instead of just more government, more taxes, and fewer rights.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Imagine the possibility of 90 million gun owners who “enlist” in a third party like AMERICA FIRST! or the Constitution Party.

            If these 90 million gun owners donated $100 each, as a minimum, to their respective third party, like America First, it would change everything!

            Go to the websites. Read the platforms people.

            This is a real solution to the PTB, UR, GB’s, Dual Citizens and assorted globalists who are manipulating OUR economy and destroying American liberties.

            Are your rights and liberties as an American worth $100? No? How about $10?

            People the retards and the democraps have failed US. The vote on these un-patriotic laws in the name of peace and security prove it. Be the hope and change you want!

            America First is an answer to illegal immigration, gun control, and the socialist agenda pushed by the Globalists.

            Engage your government or be enslaved by it. The choice is OURS and the time is NOW.

            Get involved!

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          • Laughing at you says:

            I voted this down because it’s nonsense. You still think you live in a country where voting will work? Where honest government can be put into office? How ridiculous if you still believe this.

            Stop preaching lies. Stop spreading deception. It’s bad enough the government does it, but you’re supposed to be on our side, right?

            If so, then speak the truth.

            Gun owners are going to have to get off their fat, lazy, beer-fed asses and go stop this government. That is the plain harsh truth, period.

            Nothing less is going to work.

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          • Jiradog says:

            You can’t fight if you can’t eat. Stalin starved his enemies. All they have to do is shut down the transportation system and starvation starts.

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          • Plain Old American says:

            I hate to say it but I believe that there are people whose cycnicism is based less on fact and more on their desire to experience war. See the poster “Laughing at you” for my example.

            Your assertion that we could return to an honest, constitutional government by the ballot is true however it could only happen if massive numbers of the electorate agreed and got involved. Unfortunately that unanimity would only be possible with agreement of what the facts are and right now there are far too many that are completely convinced that their version of the facts are correct and everyone else is a brainwashed sheeple. Is the US Government a Republic directed by elected legislators and an elected executive? Or is it a foreign owned corporation over which no person outside of some Jewish banker has control? Did Dick Cheney choreograph the destruction of the Twin Towers for personal profit and to enrich his buddies in the oil industry? Is islam a valid religion in the same sense as Christianity or Buddhism or is it a cult / political ideology based upon force, misogyny, and perverse sexual practices such as infibulation and pedophilia? Is Barack Obama a legal, American executive, freely elected by the American People or is he ineligible because he was born the son of a British Subject? Born in Kenya? Born in New York as Barry Shabazz, the illegitimate son of Malcom X? Does anyone even really know who he is?

            All of those questions and hundreds of others will not be answered by a huge majority one way or another even by the, relatively speaking, like minded folks on this forum. It saddens me but I think we will witness a lot of senseless violence until people have their fill of it or there is no one left to harm.

            On a lighter note, I saw a poor woman fall on the ice in the parking lot. At least I think she was poor. I only found $1.20 in her purse.

            My girlfriend says I’m a stalker. Well, she really isn’t my girlfriend yet.

            OK, enough 4 now

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        • les otter says:

          agree that the Patriot Act was the beginning of a concerted effort to silence and intimidate Americans. The Act is huge, and was presented in a little over a month after 9/11. It became pretty clear to me who the govt. was really afraid of. US!!! They like it when we’re fighting each other, and really think there’s much difference in the Parties. The OWS movement has inspired me in so many ways – mainly in reinforcing my belief in the American people. I also found out yesterday that Rocky Anderson, ex Mayor of Salt Lake City, is running for Prez. He is a solid progressive, and I for one, want to support his bid in any way I can. Check him out.

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      • US Marines says:

        Hi salvadodaly,

        Allow me to clarify.

        People keep addressing the symptom, but have failed to recognize the cause,… please read the following and should you understand that it is correct,… please let every friend, family member, American know what has really occurred. – JD
        ******************************************************************************************************************

        Short Essay #3: America Has ALREADY Been Overthrown!
        ****************************************************

        AMERICANS STILL DON’T SEEM TO GET IT:

        AMERICA HAS ALREADY BEEN OVERTHROWN,….IT IS TIME TO RESIST THE OCCUPATION!

        This country has been invaded and taken over by the international bankers, who then corrupted every aspect of our government.

        The US Federal Government is NOT an American gov’t. It is an “ENEMY FORCE IN OCCUPATION” that has camouflaged its overthrow of the US Gov’t.

        From the point of view of a Constitutional America,….none of the current events make sense.

        From the point of view of an “Enemy Force In Occupation”,……EVERYTHING makes sense.

        Their design is simple:

        1 – SUBJUGATE: TSA, DHS, FDA, FBI, Cops, Courts, Cameras Everywhere, etc.

        2 – EXTRACT WEALTH: IRS, The Federal Reserve, Sheriffs (they willingly kick people out of their homes), Congressional Bail-Outs (Being Un-Constitutional hasn’t stopped them)

        3 – EXTERMINATE: False-Flag Ops – 9/11, WTC Bombing, Oklahoma City Bombing, Anthrax, Forced Vaccinations, The Coming False-Flags Ops of Nuclear-Bio Agents.

        This has been the British/International Banksters/Israeli mode of subversive takeover through out their respective existences,… especially for the British, thru outright coercion and thru the Banking systems (look at what they did to China, India, Indonesia, and EVERY other country they had been in).

        They (the Wealthy Elite that constitute the Shadow Gov’t, CIA, FBI, International Banksters, Rogue Elements of the American, British and Israeli Gov‘t) are about to take all the previous experiences they have learned to a whole NEW level.

        As such, the USA is not “America The Free”, it is actually the largest POW Camp in the world and we are all prisoners and potential disrupters, hence the Dep’t Of Homeland Security (which is actually Homeland Gestapo) has labeled Americans who still think and act like this is the USA and “resist” the occupation as…….. “terrorists”.

        Since we ARE technically POW’s, then the Law Of War and the Geneva Convention should apply, and the principles for ALL POW’S to observe is:

        - It is the Duty of all POW’s to RESIST our captors by every means possible.

        - To disrupt their designs and actions by any and all means.

        - To REFUSE to cooperate in any way.

        - To Refuse any/all special treatment.

        - To provide no information expect name, rank, serial number (SS #)

        - To create as much difficulty as possible to cause the greatest use of personnel and assets so as to reduce their capacity to wage warfare elsewhere on us.

        The US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS OUR ENEMY!

        It is our duty to “defend our country against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic”, and clearly, the enemy of greatest destruction against the US, are the domestic ones.

        It is time for Americans to recognize that the USA HAS been overthrown by the International Bankers, aided and abetted by corporations, corrupt politicians and a judicial system that has been wholly bought-off.

        We are not fighting to correct an American Gov’t, We are fighting to eliminate this Enemy called the Federal Government, and PUT an AMERICAN Government Back in power!

        People will not realize the value of Freedom and Liberty,… until they have lost it.

        Then, it is to late to restore it without violent confrontation, or,…simply yield and welcome death.

        JD – US Marines – Fighting To Restore An American Gov’t.

        ADDENDUM:

        The “Enemy Force In Occupation” called the US Federal Gov’t, is controlled by the same people who control the Free Press, Mass Media, or the proper term – “The Joseph Gobbels Ministry Of Propaganda”.

        Most Americans genuinely have no clue that they are simply fodder, and in the view of the International Bankers that are running this country, we are LESS than roaches in their eyes! At least roaches don’t consume some of the earths more valuable resources like oil and natural gas,… hence their desire to reduce the human population by over 90% to less than 1 Billion (there are currently 7 Billion people, estimated)

        They will soon be moving into the final phase of “population mitigation” by using a Nuclear False-Flag to obtain the shock and awe needed to institute COG, REX84, Martial Law, and it will be coupled with a Bio Agent (Small Pox and Pneumonia Hemorrhagic) to provide the excuse to herd the masses into “Treatment Camps”,.. FEMA Camps, where most will die and leave up a flue pipe as hot exhaust gases (high heat is the only way to destroy pathogens with 100% certainty). This is called an oven no matter how you wish to describe it.

        Solution Assets:
        *************

        We have Americans willing to fight.

        Most Americans have firearms.

        We have the moral high ground (A Sun Tzu requirement to win)

        What we lack:
        ***********

        Organization, communication, concise information.

        If a group of selfless men can organize a Patriots Group to address the Overthrow of the American Gov’t that has occurred, everything will fall into place on its own,… hence why DHA, TSA, FBI, CIA, NSA, NRO, and a host of other alphabet organizations we never even heard of are SCOURING the country to spot any such effort.

        The Prison camp guards don’t want us inmates to realize our predicament, and develop a response plan.

        But we will succeed.

        JD – US Marines – Defender of The US Constitution.

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        • T Bonham says:

          Great points.

          Since most states have laws against paramilitary training many willing patriots are not sure how to proceed quickly. The patriot militia will need military leaders to organize and train quickly(most likely in the field) so that like the early militia we dont run at the first volley. We need your expertice to succeed, but you have to rise up first. We need leadership. 90 million gun owners are formidible even against drones, etc.

          There are many of us that are willing under righteous leadership to restore our great republic, we lack the training that you have and can offer.

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        • “- To REFUSE to cooperate in any way.”

          and

          “- To provide no information expect name, rank, serial number (SS #)”

          To provide no information yet Social Security Number? That’s everything on everybody; that’s TOTAL cooperation if given. Total submission.

          Something not quite right there, USM

          Until we are willing to dump our social security numbers, we won’t be able to break the chains of their control and manipulation.

          Besides, the real purpose behind social security, i.e. future financial security for all those hours we put in, will all be coming to an end real soon.

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          • US Marines says:

            Hi EA,

            If you feel that way,….then don’t give them your SS#, or any other personal information.

            Under the Geneva Convention, POW’s are required to give their name, rank, service and Service #, which is your SS#. (With the passage of S. 1867, Detaining any American as a “Terrorist”, ALL Americans truly are POW’s)

            How identifying yourself is “total Cooperation” is beyond my understanding, but the is MOST I’m willing to give.

            “Total Cooperation” actually entails much greater participation in the submission program that American are being programmed into, such as: Allowing TSA to touch you, see something-say something, using CIAbook (facebook), using credit cards (yes, there is a more nefarious program behind credit cards), supporting treasonous candidates for office (say like,… Obama, or Pelosi), NOT discussing this with neigbors, friends, family, coworkers,….etc, etc, etc

            As for “dumping” our SS#’s,… I COMPLETELY agree with you.

            Please show me how to do this on a national scale.

            Thanks – JD – US Marines

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          • Fed Up says:

            US Marines you can start here.

            http://www.sedm.org/

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          • No, no! No dumping of your SSN. You use it when you need it, don’t use it when you don’t. You contracted to get it. Besides, its their number and they can give it to whoever signs.

            The number is yours to use as you see fit, or not. You don’t always have to use it. It can be proven that you have an SSN and that you don’t have an SSN, at the same time.

            There is a number assigned to you, however, your SS Card is not yours (says so right on the card). So, if the card is not yours then then number is not “yours” either. You don’t own the number, it is assigned to you, however, it is owned by the SSA. So, technically, it is not your but because it is assigned to you, it is “yours”. Its very simple and very flexible. If you want to use it, use it. Get benefits. Identify yourself. Get a job and pay taxes, etc. If you don’t want to use it you can, lawfully avoid taxes, avoid being a party to acts, codes and statutes. All legal, lawful and moral.

            Some will argue that it is not, however, The Law and every maxim within it, defined, says it is.

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        • Daisy says:

          JD ~ Have I told you lately how much you ROCK?!?!?!

          It’s people like YOU who have the kind of voice that folks will respond to. I read your posts and feel inspired.

          Please, please: Find yourself a platform and get the word out – you can change the world!

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          • US Marines says:

            Hi Daisy,

            As always,.. I thank you for your kind words and warm sentiments.

            I do wish I could find a way to have a voice! I do understand where the real problems are being generated from, and what the real solutions are! Although they are not easy, in the end, the problems are so deep, so systemic, and so pervasive, the solutions must also be equal in magnitude, and decisive in execution, or the “infection” returns with a vengence.

            As for your comment:

            I find it easy to be inspirational because I see the human trait missing most from our leaders, our gov’t and our institutions….is leadership!

            Not the travesty of discourse, misinformation and overt lies presented as some subsitute for leadership,.. but real, genuine leadership based on the timeless principles of self-less dedication to ones country, honor and duty.

            I am one of those simpletons that actually believes in the fundamental notions enshrined in the US Constitution.

            That true Leadership comes from IN-corruptable sense of Honor, Duty, Loyality,..and simple Love for ones country.

            There is no artifact, no amount of money, no post, position or title that can be offered that would ever cause me to place the wanton lust of avarice in my heart to supplant my Honor and Love for my country and our founding principles, enshrined in the most noble documents written in human history to serve a nations peoples, and keep government in its rightful place, the Declaration Of Independence, and The US Constitution.

            The US Constitution as written was designed to ensure that the State Exists To Protect The Sovereign Rights Of The Individual!,.., NOT…not,..to what it has been diseased, corrupted, and perverted to, which is now, People Exist To Serve The Government!!

            WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

            This perversion has occurred from one fallibility, and one only, the complete lack of Honor in our government, our politicians, and beaurocrats.

            I offer for your perusal, a short essay that I had written on this very topic:
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            Essay #5: “Honor” In Government
            [11/22/11]

            Yes,…Honor!,… above all else.

            In the end, it should NOT have mattered what the International Banksters wanted, how much money they had, how much they were willing to offer to see their covert designs get carried out.

            In the end, IF,…if our Elected Representatives, Appointed Officials, and Employees of our government had discharged their duties with complete self-lessness, and performed their primary task of protecting the US Government and its peoples from the scourge of corruption, we would NOT be facing the complete tyrannical usurpation we are now in our most desperate hour with!

            The Constitution as designed by our Founding Fathers, is an incredible system of government, designed around the fundamental premise that, “Government exist to protect the sovereign rights of the individual”, NOT what this criminal gov’t has distorted it to be, which is, “People Exist To Serve The Government”.

            Although the Constitution was designed with checks and balances to stem the excess of any single branch of government, it had one serious flaw, an Achilles-Heel which has now permitted its complete subversion to occur;….it REQUIRED men of HONOR and SELF-LESS Dedication to serve it!

            In other words, our Founding Fathers, for all their brilliance, forgot one aspect of human nature,… greed,….the wanton disregard of duty when replaced by avarice and the notion of self-importance in the hearts of men.

            This is EXACTLY the psychological weakness that was exploited by the International Banksters, the Federal Reserve, and later the IMF and World Bank.

            They simply bought-off our own politicians to have them destroy our cherished bases of Constitutional Protections from within!; How perverse and insidious is that?

            Now, because the Banksters own 95% of all the worlds wealth, they can bribe virtually any politician, any Official, any Judge, or any person in a critical position of authority or power who lacks honor, by simply offering the mesmerizing dazzle of unlimited wealth, and the ability for them to fully realize any manifestation of perversion, debauchery, and treachery their psychotic aberrations can imagine,…without consequence or limit!

            Yes my fellow Americans,… I could not state it more fervently,… HONOR above all else!

            It is with great sadness that I must inform you, our fellow countrymen, and the citizens of the world, the single most important trait needed in our leaders, politicians, police and institutions;…. HONOR,… is the virtue most completely missing from their hearts,…minds,… and actions.

            Please, my fellow Americans… prepare yourself, your family, and friends for the worst.

            JD – US Marines – Suffering from a broken heart over the destruction of our beloved country.

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        • Marine–you are wrong on thinking ‘we’ don’t know–I expressed my opinion the morning after crying myself to sleep Nov, 2008 when the fraud stole the election.
          I told all I could there has been a ‘coup’ facilitated and helped by the dems and dual citizens of this nation’s congress.

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          • My greatest problem with the ‘coup’ was how deeply involved was the military, vowed to protect our country.

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          • US Marines says:

            Hi JJ,

            What you have indicated is that “you” knew on Nov. 2008.

            Most Americans are still sleeping.

            As for your comment about the military being involved:

            Most of the people in the military are performing their duties under what they believe to be the most honorable circumstances.

            The reality is, “most” people involved with all the false-flags and military wars of conquest have no idea who, or what is behind the events they participate in.

            They in fact play the role of “the perfect pawn”.

            The people in the military are feed an even greater diet of proganda, throughly seasoned with some patriotic rhetoric, than civilians recieve daily through the “Joesph Gobbels Minsitry Of Proganda”,.. also called the Main Stream Media, or the “Free Press”.

            You can be sure, that even in a False-Flag Op like 9/11, which used E737′s (Electronic Warfare versions which actually crashed into the WTC’s of the commercial passenger aircraft (737C’s)), to the AGM which hit the Pentagon (Not a 757C as per gov’t story), was carried out by only a small handful of traitors, while the rest involved that day were merely duped into playing the perfect pawn.

            The real criminals that definitly knew and executed 9/11, were Bush, Chenny, Rumsfled, Ashcroft and the pilots of the E4B’s that provided navigation assistance to the E737′s to crash into WTC 1 & 2.

            There are others, but they are lesser known names, like Dov Zakheim, and Cosputti.

            As for “coups”, there have been three of prominence:

            1) Civil War 1861 – 1865: Overt Military Coup by the Federal Government -> States Rights Of Sovereignty was stolen.

            2) The Federal Reserve Act Of 1913: Covert Coup (Treason) of Domestic/International Banksters -> Our Financial and Economic Sovereignty was stolen.

            3) September 11,2001: Covert Military Coup by International Banksters/Foreign Gov’ts/Corporations -> Our Individual Sovereign Rights were stolen,…as was the rest of the country.

            Let there be no mistake in understanding:

            9/11 was a covert military Coup D’etat.

            The US Federal Gov’t is NOT an American Gov’t,… it is an… “ENEMY FORCE IN OCCUPATION” of the USA!

            The US Federal Gov’t is preparing for its final “capture” of the America peoples by guise, deception and stealth.

            Either Americans will wake up and abolish the US Federal Gov’t with all it criminal agencies, or they WILL be prisoners in their own lands.

            The choice is yours America.

            JD – US Marines – Indict the National and International Bankters for the Terrorist Organization that they are, and for the Crimes Against Humanity thay have committed!

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        • IronHead says:

          Hey JD
          Where do I sign-up?
          Let’s get organized…there’s not much time left!

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          • US Marines says:

            Hi Ironhead,

            I have considered starting an organization,.. something like “Continential Patriots”, “Constitutional Guardians” or something like that.

            Problem: In my locations (central NJ – Old Bridge Township), I just haven’t found many people interested.

            When I do find someone interested, it’s always over the internet, and they live somewhere in Texas, or California, or something like that.

            Once I had a strong base here with a running office, than it becomes a fairly simple matter to get branches going in other states, but it has to start locally for me so I can properly organize, draw up organization plans, devise startegies/tactics, develop eductional info, and most importantly, get an internet videocast going, but that all takes time, money, skills, and at least a few dozen dedicated people.

            It also unfortunately starts with money.

            If you know anyone interested in trying to get a Patriots Group going, let me know at a scrub email account I set up for just this purpose:

            usmarines888@gmail.com

            If you have some ideas you would like to discuss, you can also write to me there.

            Thanks Ironhead, to bad more Americans aren’t like you. -

            JD – US Marines – Trying To Save America.

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        • HADNUFF says:

          Thank you, US MARINES–”Jarhead” you ain’t. The article is inspirational, and so is your response. As I write, I have read all of the blog responses, including your subsequent comments. I respect, and feel validated by all of yours, and many others. Here is my addition, if such it is:

          Let’s spell it out, brothers and sisters: None of us is going to get a shot at a Rothschild, or a Rockefeller, or any Bilderburger, or probably any Goldman Sachs cockroach. And forget Obama or any of his cabinet, who are so many marionettes anyway.

          Organize? Maybe. Vote? Are you kidding me?

          USMC,you speak of honor, and I believe you have it.
          And you know that “honor” means the willingness to suffer and even be maimed or to die for a principle, an ideal, a code.

          Everyone knows Patrick Henry’s words “Give me liberty, or give me death.” But what about the preceding two sentences: “Is life so dear, and peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God!”

          Well, hey, all you fellow preppers, survivalists, and American freedom-loving constitutionalists, what, indeed are we going to do other than stock up, hunker down, and
          hope to make it through without being grabbed, searched, groped, roped, and shipped off to the FEMA gulags?

          Vote? Jesus. Organize? To do what? Hunt down the ultra-technology and military protected perpetrators of this obscenity that with such patient and intelligent guile has been thrust upon us over decades?

          Where does the rubber meet the road, friends? It is where the minions, the dumb-f+ck thugs that frisk you at the airport or on your local highway (because TSA is already road-blocking and searching us on our local roads, and get ready for more of that). So where do you make your stand, say your peace, cast your REAL vote? And how indeed do you do it, outside of expounding your understandings on such worthy blogs as this one?

          Ready your firearm, make your peace, bless your loved ones and prepare yourself to die free and dignified as you blow away whatever TSA, DHS, IRS, FDA, or yes, local police or sheriff’s department “officer,” is telling you to “open up,” “assume the position,” “bend over and spread ‘em,” etc.

          That’s right. US MARINES is correct. We are an occupied country. And any so-called “legitimate” law-enforcement officers, including partipating people you may have known since high school, are COLLABORATORS. They may mean you no personal harm. They may have a wife and kids and go to church and just want to keep their job.

          Blow their faces off, and as many of their fellows as you can get before you go down.

          That’s where the rubber meets the road, patriots, men and women of honor. Draw a line in the sand. Die with dignity, and kill, as the founding father’s did, on the way out. Nobody got a shot at King George, or anyone close to him. They shot, or got shot by some British peasant who would rather have been somewhere else.

          Want to “make a difference?” Want to express the power of what “One man can do?” Steel yourself for that confrontation. Better to die at the road block, coming soon to your locale, than to placidly get in the line for the FEMA camp bus which you, SHTF blogster, will certainly be marked for, to die a prolonged and humiliating death at the hands of your fellow Americans who are (like the Nazi prison-camp guards)”just following orders,” or “just doing my job–I have a wife and child to support.”

          I know this may sound brutal and extreme to many. I don’t like killing (even varmints) and have to steel myself to do it. Have never shot anything bigger than a rabbit, and didn’t like doing that. Was a minister for years. Have thought and meditated about this subject for 3 years. And this is where I stand: Any govt official who wants more than to hand me a traffic ticket is going to get it. I will do all I can to take as many with me as possible and to die clean in the process. I will not go looking for it, but I am steeling and training myself to be ready if it comes to me.

          We have got to start making the collaborators pay where the rubber meets the road. They are all groping and bashing and red-hot-pepper-spraying in our eyes WITH NO PENALTY. Sorry, dear, brave, USMC. You will not string up a Rothschild. But take out a few of their thugs? Maybe so.

          Sorry, the pen is not mightier than the sword. That’s like “vote.” It takes both pen and sword, as our founders demonstrated.

          Organize? OK. But groups are easier to spot and take out than individuals. We need both.

          “Is life so dear, and peace so sweet” in this abortion that our once dignified and powerful republic has become?

          Well, you leave me alone, and I’ll leave you alone. But dumb-f*ck collaborating thug or moron, throw your body-armored, geared-up weight around with me, and you’re going down. I fully expect it will be the last thing I ever do. And that’s OK. I think that’s a little bit of what “honor” is about.

          God bless.

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      • Considering you would rather fall in line than confront your own wife, if people are like you – never.

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    3. Random Tangent 1957 says:

      Wow ! What a great post Mac !
      This really sums up what I have been thinking for some time now. This government has been well outside the constitution for some time now. Whether you look at the Fed…..the use of the Interstate Commerce Act…..or the Patriot Act……it is the law of 1000 slices. It has been slow & over many years. Like a lot of you I went to school in the 60′s, when they still taught US History, & The Constitution , The Bill of Rights, and all theAmendmentss. The problem is that most of the stuff we learned has beensupersededd by legislation & Executive orders, that means that all of the knowledge is not relevant in the currenttheatere ! At least…not until we slay the beast & go back to Constitutional Rule of Law. Hopefully the day is coming soon….as otherwise all is lost.
      Montgomery County Texas

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      • Gods Creation says:

        “The problem is that most of the stuff we learned has beensupersededd by legislation & Executive orders,”

        Random, the Constitution has not been superseded by legislation or executive orders. It can not be.

        The problem is that the People are supposed to be the enforcers of the Constitution and instead they sit back and wait for the gov corp to do it.

        The gov corp has it’s “laws”, the People have theirs. Most are ignorant participators in gov corp and have abandoned their own Law to do it.

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        • Random Tangent 1957 says:

          @ G C : Ok…poor use of words. I understand the mechanics & then also what has actually happened right in front of all of us. While I am a true believer & supporter of the US constitution…..the folks we have elected in DC …….not so much so. Between the Legislative branch & their nonsense…..and the Judicial activisim…..what the founders documents say……and how they have been interpreted are two different things. I am so sick of hearing that “it’s a living document” BS that my head about explodes. The problem is how we get back there……Even if we get Ron Paul……or another true conservative……they have everything so screwed up……..& Congress & the Courts will still be a disaster. Where is the reset button ? When I watch the news….I have tried turning up the Brightness knob….but it does not seem to work……it is still STUPID ! JD USM may have the only viable solution.
          Montgomery County Texas.

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    4. Brent says:

      The author is partially right, and partially wrong. Here’s where he went wrong:

      “We did not create this division. The American people did not ask to be targeted. Though we certainly have not done enough to fend off the numerous attacks upon our general liberties, the root of the problem still lay within the core of our government, the puppet leaders who abuse it, and the corporate elitists who use it as a staging ground for personal agendas.”

      The truth is that the American people have deliberately CHOSEN a path of evil.

      The 1st proof is that the people of the U.S. had the option to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries of 2008. Only a small minority of the population chose to vote for this rightous man.

      The 2nd proof is that the people of the U.S. currently have the option (once again) to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries of 2012. Still, only a small minority (10% – 20% at the most) will support Ron Paul. In fact, the majority of Republicans hate and vilify Ron Paul on a daily basis. They impale him with invectives such as “kook”, “nut”, “traitor”, “loon”. They refer to lovers of freedom as “Paultards”. This can be seen on the web site FreeRepublic.com

      No, the American people have chosen a path of evil. They will suffer the consequences of their own choices, not the choices of some mythical “elite” power brokers.

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      • AZ Ready says:

        Actually Brent, people had the choice to vote for Ron Paul back when he ran on the Libitarian ticket in the 80′s. I know I voted for him then. The system is so entrenched with crooks even Ron Paul can’t fix it now. Well, maybe he could if he locked himself in the White House, stayed away from the windows, had some taste his meals before he eats and signed multiple executive orders abolishing pretty much everything determental to the country since 1871.

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      • Fed Up says:

        I think it is sad you still believe “your vote counts” and that we the people of America have deliberately made a “choice” to take the path of evil.

        I explained in another discussion that the vote you cast on election day is a poll, like a survey. The electoral college decides who will become POTUS, and they have voted against the “popular vote” at some times in the past. Don’t take my word for it, look it up.

        Frankly, I think the BS we see about the numbers coming in on election day come from a computer generated algorithm and it is all a sham anyway.

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        • Brent says:

          Fed Up, I believe that your analysis is correct as I have personally made polling phone calls to Republican voters as a volunteer for the Ron Paul campaign. I have listened to the Republican voters tell me that they specifically dislike Ron Paul. But, they sure love the Neocons.

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        • DRD5508 says:

          One’s vote does count, we get to pick our poison. Either we collapse slowly and are told what we want to hear (repubs) or we collapse on a runaway frieght train of blantant socialism (dems).
          Just keep in mind: the PTB are still human and they will make mistakes, especially by being godless.
          Stay in His grace.

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      • Odd Questioner says:

        I disagree – they didn’t deliberately choose “evil”, they chose bread and circuses. Legislative candidates routinely campaign on how well they have brought federal largess home to their constituents, and those are the ones routinely (re)elected.

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      • Iowa says:

        Actually, Ron Paul won the latest straw poll in Iowa with 85% and finished 200 votes behind Bachman who is now history. Don’t worry, the only way Ron Paul won’t win the Iowa Caucus is if Obama assasinates him. It’s the economy colapsing before the elections that worry me most, with Obama suspending elections and instituting martial law.

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      • I agree with Brent–how hard did we try to right wrongs, to defeat unconstitutional bills, only to have our reps dismiss us.

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        • Peregrin Took says:

          I don’t even waste my time with writing reps. They’re worthless, all of them. Even those newly elected by the Tea Party, they’ve already drank the kool-aid too, and there’s no hope of reaching them now.

          People need to get angry, and they need to let their collective voices be heard. But instead, the OWS people are the only ones actually *doing* anything, and all the Tea Party can do is piss and moan about how “WE pick up our trash after rallys, but they’re dirty and stinky. WE’re so polite, and they’re such mean-o poopy-faces.”

          Really? I mean, really? We’re staring down the collapse and destruction of our entire nation, our civil society, and our way of life, and all that the Tea Party folks care about is that they’re more polite and respectful? They’re more worried about *looking* nicer than OWS? Where’s the outrage?! Where’s the indignation? Where’s the stand for true constitutional conservatism? Oh wait, I remember… The Tea Party screamed about cutting spending… well, cutting spending except for their own government benefits. They scream, “I hate socialism and government largesse!… Oh except for when it benefits me. Let’s keep that stuff.” They’re worthless hypocrites too, suckling at the teat of the Federal Government while calling themselves conservative.

          We need a Patriot movement to rise up, rattle our sabers, and let our voices be heard. The question is, do we have any Patriots left in this country? And if so, are they courageous enough to actually speak out?

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      • sleepy says:

        Brent – You are partially right. the American people did not ask to be targeted. But getting rid of the special interest groups that are causing the problems is as difficult as getting rid of cockroaches.

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      • John says:

        This is true. Many people want the handouts the regime gives (social security, welfare, food stamps etc.) others are naive and don’t believe our government would do this to us, and still others are content to watch a football game, dancing with the stars, etc. People are basically lazy. They want the regime to take care of them. Sad but true. Now the government (read fascist regime) is gaining control of the Internet through the FCC. These commentaries will eventually be eliminated. I’m waiting for the anti Christ to appear anytime. Good luck and god bless.

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      • Stand says:

        The organized crime syndicate owns the so called education system, the major media, and mass entertainment. They will continue to name call anyone /everyone who wants Ron Paul to be in the White House. I’ve written his name in on the ballot several times since the ’80s. Unfortunately, most ppl are blind and will continue to vote for the big / unconstitutional government “R” or “D”. Either way, it is a vote for the syndicate. Big Government, Big Business, and Big Labor are the 3 prongs of organized crime.We are all the victims. And unless we find a way to awaken a large part of the sleeping masses addicted to comfort,ease, and mindless entertainment, I fear that the evil vile global dictatorship will soon totally swallow us all. God help us.

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    5. Daisy says:

      I wish the mainstream media would start hammering this through people’s skulls!!! If the word was truly out there would be such a hue and cry.

      Aside from what Mac does here, what ideas to people have about spreading this information to the general public? I don’t know HOW anyone can read/hear this stuff and not understand the erosion that is going on!

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    6. Hal Muller says:

      Oh Daisy, don’t hold your breath waiting for the mainstream media to expose the corruption and tyranny. They’re in the club.

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      • Daisy says:

        I know, Hal. They are all in cahoots. :(

        It just seems like there MUST be a way for us to have a voice. I get so frustrated when it is so clear what is going on and yet people seem so oblivious.

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    7. Man Up says:

      Mac, Could this site be in jeopardy?
      Here’s an article we all should be concerned about!

      How Congress and the Entertainment Industry Plan to Kill the Internet

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/11/28/how-congress-and-the-entertainment-industry-plan-to-kill-the-internet-and-how-citizens-reddit-users-and-a-few-senators-are-fighting-back/

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      • I couldn’t access that particular article because it is behind a paywall, but yes, with some of the ways this site excerpts content (though we always cite the originals via hyperlinks) there could be an issue if legislation like that is passed. My guess is that what will happen is that Alt News Sites will simply stop excerpting mainstream media and will take the extra time to simply write the story in full, avoiding any copyright issues. Simple work-around. And it will have even more of a negative impact on mainstream media because they will lose millions of viewers who access their sites by the links that alt news bloggers and aggregators send to them.

        My view is that Print Media and their parent companies are desperately trying to hold on to the news paradigms of the 20th century.

        The music industry tried to stop digital downloads — they have lost billions because they chose to fight, rather than accept, the technological advancement.

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    8. mark says:

      I had a good talk some time ago with a retired navy seal. He was from texas and explained to me how they deal with their coyote problems. “You shoot one of the s.o.b.’s and hang their carcasse on the fence as a warning to other coyotes.”
      He then suggested that a few washington types should be treated the same way. ” It’s the language they understand.”
      And this from a retired seal. Makes me wonder how many more like him are out there. Maybe this is what our government really fears. Those who have the knowledge, ability and motivation to dish out some kick-ass to those washington types who seem hell bent on taking away every freedom we had under the Constitution.
      All that goes around, comes around.

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    9. Padre says:

      A slight correction: Government exists either by the consent of the governed (the way it used to by in the US) or by superior strength and the ability to coerce (the way it is now). When the latter form takes hold only the ability and will to resist with force makes it possible for the citizenry to take back the power that perhaps once they gave away freely.

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    10. Random Tangent 1957 says:

      That’s a fact. They are in the club…..you are not.
      The only thing that will awaken the sheeple….is when it all comes down. Then …there will be an epiphany of people awakening ! The problem is that then it will be too late for many of them. It is all coming to a head & it ain’t gonna be pretty. All we can do at this point if we want to help is to store extra provisions so that when some of the sheeple do see the light….that we can help keep the alive to join the battle. Other than that it’s “help me OB1Knobe….your my only hope !”
      Montgomery County Texas

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    11. KY Mom says:

      now on Drudge Report…

      OBAMA LAWYERS: Americans legitimate targets in war on terror…

      Only executive branch, not courts, decides…

      As a child growing up I never would have predicted this would happen here. I pray for our children and grandchildren.

      God bless and keep praying and prepping.

      KY Mom

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    12. DPS says:

      Goverments gone rogue? Or should we say goverment plans to desrtuct the USA? This may or may not be true but it sure is worth watching.. Take the time to watch it before it disaprears

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE

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    13. Mike says:

      USMarines…I salute you sir, you have called it right. We are now basically held prisoner by our own Federal Government; but the sheeple are slow to awaken.

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      • US Marines says:

        Hi Mike,

        Thank you for recognition.

        As for being held prisoner,…it is worse than that.

        When a person is held as a prisoner, the jailer has some responsibility to our welfare.

        In the case of this Enemy Force In Occupation, called the US Federal Gov’t,… it is their design to exterminate us!

        Not all of us, not all at once, as they don’t want the prisoners rioting and fighting back,.. God forbid the majority of dumbass Americans should wake up in time for their own execution,… no, that would never do.

        They will use people to herd people.

        They will use people to control people.

        They will use people to suppress, beat, torture, and intimidate people.

        They need people to fill the prisons (FEMA Camps).

        They need to people to build the control grids, and other infrastructure of mass-control.

        They need the mechanics, machinists, doctors, lawyers, laborers, farmers, and such.

        THEN,… after they have the chess board set up to their liking,… its time to reduce numbers!

        It willl come in the form of a pathogen (Bio Weapon), most probably an influenzia strain that has been modified/engineered to be particularly lethal to anyone that did not recieve the antigen.

        This leaves no “smok’in gun”, just piles of rotting corpses to deal with.

        Of course, if people start to wake up, or start fighting back, these pyschos might start WW3 just to “teach” us who is in control, like they are threatening to do now!

        There is only one workable solution:

        Declare the IMF, World Bank, BIS, Federal Reserve Of The US, and ALL Central Banks Of Europe, and ESPECIALLY,.. the ROTHCHILDS as the GLOBAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION that they are!

        Have them tried, convicted and hung for Treason, Crimes Against Humanity, and for War Crimes!

        Sieze ALL the assets of the these “Banks” and return them to their respective countries.

        Since the Rothchilds hold nearly 1/2 of ALL the gold in the world, it will be siezed and used to create a true Gold Backed Currency for all nations.

        Since the Rothchilds are the most prenicious, thieving, lying, villainous bag of filth in human history, and have caused more deaths and wars than ALL other nations, groups and individuals combined, they will be the first to hang from the neck until dead,… ALL of the ROTHCHILDS!

        Issue a global decree that FORBIDS ANY COUNTRY from having a PRIVATE CENTRAL BANK under the pain of a War Crimes Tribunal and for Crimes Against Humanity.

        Get RID of Private Central Banks, and the treacherous Rothchilds,,… and you get rid of 90% o the worlds problem OVERNIGHT!

        JD – US Marines – Calling for execution of the worlds biggest Terrorist Orgaization – THE CENTRAL BANKS and its CEO, the ROTHCHILDS!

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    14. Tim says:

      Evil sure enough is the reason. There is no doubt. It would seem the majority of people over the past 50 years around about always chose the wrong path and for the wrong reasons. Total desire for ungodliness, power, greed, all sorts of sin they love dearly. And they want more evil at any cost.

      They use the name of God but then they serve Satan, and they deny God to serve even more evil purposes. Every evil direction they wish to take they do and therefore change like chameleons at every turn to keep people confused. Again more evil.

      It is extremely apparent that these people always do there best to not only keep it this way, but they love evil so very much that they care not for there own lives, or the lives of their family, or even friends. Even their own souls also mean nothing to them.

      Though it be this bad, there are still a whole lot of good and Godly Americans and other peoples too. People who hate and despise this evil and pray and do their very best to stop it. Some try to stop it through prayer and some through action. Some through both prayer and action.

      Last days my friends. Last days.

      So, their evil days will end. It is too bad they only care about the now and not the eternal.

      Evil will not endure long but it will bring pain and suffering to many until Jesus Christ returns. Heck though, they even deny Him so they can justify their evil when really they do believe Jesus Christ is real because Jesus Christ is most definitely real.

      You see. The American people have not only chosen a path of evil, but most of the entire world has also chosen this path of evil, and they are trying to FORCE it upon all other people and parts of the world they wish to control. They do it to themselves and everybody, and they do it for their own evil desires.

      Satan desires to make all peoples evil and is trying to do this via everybody and everything.

      ONE EVIL ONE WORLD is Satan’s evil heart and desire.

      It won’t last long like this for evil will soon perish.

      Our Lord Jesus Christ will judge as He rules for His second coming is extremely imminent.

      Who is guiltless? I wonder. Reading of The Holy Bible and more prayer can help to save any of us. I suggest we read it and pray often and I personally pray that we all keep the commandments that God gave to us, for us.

      God bless you all, and good day.

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    15. THE REALIST says:

      Its great to talk up all of these great articles/stories.

      But- what can all we really do after we’ve all prepped?

      keep talking ??

      whers’s the beef??

      The real answer here is we don’t really know what is going to happen.. onlt time will tell us..

      EVERYTHING ELSE IS SPECULATIVE AT BEST..

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    16. sanityjones says:

      Our Government is everything the Federalists who wrote the Constitution hoped it would be.

      “Either the Constitution has authorized such a government as we have, or it has been powerless to stop it”
      -Lysander Spooner-

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    17. ninaorket says:

      Corrupt Puss Prez – Woodrow Wilson

      sold YOU ALL into goyim tax debt slavery on December 23, 1913… research “jekyl island”… the privately owned – federal reserve bank creation act #3… third time is the charm…

      it’s been a Banker controlled Rogue Government since then…

      you all never had a chance for the true american dream the real constitution promised you as signed in September 17, 1787…

      Vanderlip wrote in his 1935 autobiography From Farmboy to Financier :

      I was as secretive, indeed I was as furtive as any conspirator. Discovery, we knew, simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would have been wasted. If it were to be exposed that our particular group had got together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress…I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System.”

      Despite meeting in secret, from both the public and the government, the importance of the Jekyll Island meeting was revealed three years after the Federal Reserve Act was passed, when journalist Bertie Charles Forbes wrote an article about the “hunting trip” in 1916.

      None of you have, nor Will you ever know the TRUE meaning of FREEDOM!

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    18. H. Nelson says:

      I sat next to a old couple from the east coast sometime ago. They were excited about their trip of a lifetime and all the wonderful things they were going to visit and do. I was fine with that, until the wife said that she felt so much safer because TSA was there.

      I leaned over and ask her “I bet the jews felt safe when they were loaded into boxcars and relocated.”. She had no more comments for rest of the flight and I was able to get a nap in.

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    19. crash and burn says:

      ask the American Indians if you can trust our government.

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      • John says:

        History isn’t pretty in that respect. Wars of conquest have been going on since Caine killed Abel . The Indians were largely wiped out by the spaniards, then the French then the brittish, Dutch etc. Many were killed by disease brought by the settlers. This is a fact of life. Now the bankers have conquered us. Sad.

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    20. Patriot One says:

      Until someone starts or triggers the grass fire, and / or impeachment of all politicians, nothing changes. We are all just a bunch of talkers or writers. Including myself.

      We comment here all day long, but there is no leadership that can get enough support to start the process. Its frustrating knowing the very document that tells me to remove the corrupt leadership is being shredded.

      Oh well at least we are educated bystanders.

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    21. Czubaja says:

      The corruption began when candidates were/are nominated by parties and not independent groups. Limited terms in office and small pay became political careers with power far outstripping compensation. The Republic governed by law and not by “majority rule” disolved into government which is autonimous and sanctioned by voters who are invited to choose betweeen the “lesser of two evils.”

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    22. Alice Maxwell says:

      It was a great essay on what we all face today.

      There is a complication you have failed to note that might give an answer to some of your questions.

      When the USA was founded, all governments except for a very few small principalities, like Switzerland and three on the Riveira, were divine right kingdoms, headed by men crowned by politicos and religion. We were the first in 2000 years to just go with politicos, since we were Men and they were Men, we assumed there was a natural connection, that mutual interest would confirm.

      That is what our Constitution was about. Men coming together to take care of men, women were their natural appendages.

      It was simplistic idea. It assumed all men would work for mutual advance. This was a radical idea because history to the date of our founding had displayed a far different modus…POWER.

      What made the USA different is that we were far removed fron the old society, its politics, No Kings and Barons, Lords or Princes. We were in the wilderness and so had a chance at a new start.

      What propelled us to set our destiny at Freedom, Liberty?
      This question has never been settled. Why were we so fixed on these two “rights”?

      The civilized world, the old world, had settled the problems in their realms early. Either you were a settler, builder or you were not. If you thought to live on others labor, you had only two choices…charity when you went into the Church or Temple to do the creator’s work or you went into the military where you defended those who kept society together from “enemies”.

      Those enemies were “outsiders”, They could be people from another town, tribe, province or country with all the telltale signs of the outsider. But they were not the only enemies. You had people amongst you who took advantage of good citizens, sought to lure them with interests beyond their normal work. These the state called criminals. They appealed to the dark side of man’s dual personality. Whereas Man should be Good, they lured him into Evil, ergo they were “beyond the pale”.

      The three working elements of government…the organization, the church and the military, established to do the will of the Good People, were deemed strong enough to keep the others in their place. It worked most of the time but there were glaring lapses like the Borgias and any invading forces that gained ground until they were expelled.

      In the USA, we had worked through that initial preparation, fighting off the Indians and the French, the Spanish and then the Dutch, and finally we had our nation!

      However, we had a very large “Evil” population simply because we were so far away from the other established nations that no force could come after them. Worse, England even encouraged the worst to settle here, especially in the South. They were natural slave masters in that they not only captured people to sell, they even manned the ships to transport them. They had a great international network even then to clear monies paid in this endeavor from which they established the first “banks” to invest those proceeds in the new world!

      This is what made the USA successful! When Ben Franklin, the Adams and the host of “emissaries” to the Royal Courts of Europe appeared in those assemblages, they were heard because they had this cash! They were a new force to be considered and the Old World was in a quandry but then the Americas were so far away! Better to have the bad boys over there than in Europe et al!

      Freedom and Liberty were coined as slogans to give legitimacy to freebooters, pirates, slavers, men and women running from responsibilities gone wrong. the leaders in the early colonies were defrocked ministers, priests,”cabin boys”, reprobate sons of the aristocracy and outright criminals…predators, murderers, thieves and “debtors”, all sinners. Mankind had suffered the arrows and slings of fate long enough in the Old World and it was time to give everyone a new start in the colonies! Our reps to the old world consoled that we had established a nation devoted to the “rule of law”, and so everyone had a new life! That was what made us so popular!

      Fastforward to the 20th Century. America had been through crucible after crucible, battles witn Indians, other settlers, Immigration from all over, Civil War, more Immigration and we were a real polyglot… a monstrous one. We had one great thing going for us…We proclaimed we had eliminated slavery!

      Our leaders seized on this great achievement and announced to the rest of the world, we would support movements everywhere to make Men Men. With this slogan, we embarked on Empire! We declared the Americas ours and then proceeded to take whatever we could find for the easy pickings…islands in the Caribbean and in the Pacific and in the Arctic and Antarctic and then we looked at South America. The Empire broke down with that one!

      While Washington was captivated with this new mission, the states and cities, some towns found themselves in a new quandry. Legitimate life was not bad but it barely paid enough for people to enjoy but there was that fringe…the illegits and somehow they sold their wares and lots of it and they had cash. They didn’t pay taxes, they were illegal!Suddenly, state and municipal leaders were playing with the cash boys and it was working well. Think Twill, Tamany,Pendergast the host of Daleys, Curleys, Fitzpatricks, every region had them… the Bosses who filled the media from the 1800′s on! In time, they had reps in Washington, DC! Money can buy anything…it is free and has the liberty!

      We have been through two great world wars on the winning side. After each one, our freebooters got to know their old connections in Europe, the Mid east and Asia. Oh they were out there too…Australia, like the USA, had its penal groups too. But the American group had a great advantage. Freedom and Liberty had improved Man’s innovation, imagination and we had taken all those idea to their fulfillment.. It was our radio, our movies, our glossy mags, our news wire services that carried news around the world and it was mostly American! What we did, how we lived became the bellweather for the world. None of the old societies could counter us!

      The first victim to the Roaring Twenties were the churches. The Capones and Bronfmans fueled those days with not only “spirits” but also “license” to do what ever was feeling good and even the worst of actions has someone feeling good! The cash came in faster and the “syndicates” had more of it than the government!

      The Government tried taking it with the FBI, hauling the mobsters before Congress but WWII ended that. When we entered that fray between the old “divine right” and the fascist communist gangsters in Europe, the boys in Washington were already in two camps….those with the old world and those determined to continue the new.

      Those that have the cash win! The US used the mobsters, the gangsters here to improve our military logistics in Europe and elsewhere and our “boys in the hood” got to renew acquaintance with their counterparts “over there”.
      That liason has grown, especially as the mobsters sent their children to the best schools here and abroad and entered government on all levels.

      The New World Order now in existence is a working organization that proved itself over the last 500 years. It was a loose association of freebooters some called the Nostra Cosa, Mafia, Syndicata but they all had one interest…making money from what is forbidden…and they make more from that than any from the bidden. They pay no taxes to anyone! And they have working models that work! They have the USA and they have Italy. Don’t laugh. Those freebooters unified Italy in five years when nations warring could not do it in 2000 years….not too long ago in the 1880′s I think!

      These are the people running our world now. You do not want to believe it but they control our Congress . The leadership is drawn from the children of those who serve this group. So are our Presidents since the Great Wall Street debacle in 1929!

      This comes to the vehicle for ultimate control. Wall Street was taken in the last fifty years, when with “assassination”, the gentlemen who ran it trying to bridge the gap between the old world and the new, finally abdicated. Those who had the cash took over. The mob had taken the military by cutting funds,when they pried loose the internet and now the numbers game was really in control and not just for the US, but the world. What was their core enterprise, the daily numbers was now made an international mania, the media established to make sure it was! It was no longer a dime a day but stocks and bonds and whatever else could be concocted to fill the coffers around the world.

      Currency is just that…whatever the people believe is current and worth something. No one gives a damn who issues it. If it buys, it is. You don’t believe it! Just go grocery shopping and see what they log in paper coupons on your tally. Most women crow when they get ten bucks worth and it wasn’t lawful money!

      Think about this when you wax heavy on economics! After World War II, there wasn’t a “legal” functioning country in the world other than the USA and people in Europe, the Middle East, Asia, et al used whatever “money” they had to facilitate buying what they had to have! Like the phoenix from the ashes, they rose again that way!

      Where do we go from here? Well, the gangsters now called banksters will be having multitudinous conferences with great panoply while they carve up the world into fiefdoms. The Godfathers will be selected but no one will know who is in control. Kowing there is always a freebooter trying to break the odds, they will concoct a new “divine power” to annoint their efforts and it looks like it might be Islam but that is another tale too long for now!

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      • fgbouman says:

        You’d best reread your history books. You’ve misunderstood the genesis of America and recite it as you would like it to have been. Your heart is in the right place and some of your conclusions are correct but that golden past you write of never existed. On the other hand, the criminal class that controls America today is unlike any that has ever existed. We have a kleptocracy, not a democracy, and it is destroying us with groups like the Tea Party as their dupes.

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    23. Peregrin Took says:

      I have a suggestion: Go to the range this weekend and shoot a couple hundred rounds in your favorite caliber. Also, take a friend that isn’t a gun owner, but has expressed some interest in it. Educate him/her. Talk to them about the future, and how uncertain everything is. Wonder aloud whether or not people should do anything to prepare. Don’t reveal your preps. Just bring up the subject and muse a bit. It’s a win-win. If they’ve already prepared, you might find yourself an ally. If they haven’t prepared, well, you’re helping them to get prepared, meaning one less hungry person to face later.

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    24. I’ve known Mr. Smith for a number of years. We’ve talked repeatedly. He and Mr. Ogden are amazing young men of purpose, integrity and drive. You’ll all notice that I have my posts tagged with their web address: http://www.alt-market.com

      You may ask yourself, “Why is all this happening?” or you may think you know. However, for clarification I would suggest you do a search on YouTube for SdSl or Sons of Darkness Sons of Light. Its a 30 minute video that will clarify and solidify your ideas about individuality and the abuses of power and privilege and other excesses.

      Another great find, Mac.

      I am constantly reminded by the likes of Mac, Brandon and Josh that all is not lost. …and by the commentors on both Alt-Market.com and here at SHTFPlan.com. ALL IS NOT LOST! While we see much going on that we don’t like, at least there is you and there is me and there are all of the commentors and authors here at SHTFPlan. At the end of the day when it all falls apart, remember, NetRanger survived and he’s working hard to put it back together with honesty and integrity. Same for Brandon. Same for Josh. Same for Mac. While our philosophies may differ, our goal is nearly identical: Honest, accountable, constitutional government.

      Multiple times I have praised all three of these men, as I have many of you here on SHTFPlan. Under my breath and also in prayer I’ve been thinking of you. I see the good in all of you. (Yes, RICH99, even you.)

      So, I will say a prayer for protection, for the blessings of liberty, for prosperity, for freedom, for peace.

      May our victory be soon and lasting.

      Happy December! We made it another month.

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      • NR–Sometimes I return to old topics to catch up—glad I did today and read your post..you give hope to a hopeless endeavor created by evil men.

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        • efruge508 says:

          I’ve been following Mr Bruno’s work for a few years myself, truly a great inspiration for many! On a side note, I sure do miss all of the articles from Niethercorp!

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    25. Big J Enterprises says:

      The National Defense Authorization Bill language that includes Americans snatched by U.S. military on U.S. soil or abroad based on an executive Presidential decision bomb needs to be spread further, it will be moreso over the weekend but it’s not being disseminated fast enough by a corrupt lamestream hack propaganda ministry media. They and the ruling class are playing us as fools. In addition there’s lots of other bad news going on, but this should be at the forefront.

      This goes beyond politics and bickering about or at protests.

      The willful shredding of the Constitution and posse comitatus by both left and right is astounding. This is an act of war. This is crossing the Rubicon. This is insuring conflict. Perhaps they want it. Well, you shall get it good. Of course, it’s also apparent there are more surprises coming the ruling class wants to be prepared for to maintain the status quo as best they can and control the masses. Economic, social chaos, terrorist attack, another Fast and Furious operation to thwart the Republic, etc.

      When the Rule of Law is overthrown, we end up with the law of the jungle. Are these statist jackals prepared for that?

      Are they prepared for the Doctrine of One Hundred Heads?

      http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/10/mathematics-of-liberty-one-hundred.html

      It is our duty under the Constitution with inalienable rights from our Creator to vanquish tyranny. Do you live as a free man/woman or slave? The personal choice is coming for all of us.

      Makin’ your list of names yet? Checkin’ it twice? Writin’ down who’s naughty and not nice?

      Unintended consequences. What a b*tch.

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    26. TOM says:

      During the Great Depression,every town had a taxpayer assocation.We told the local politicians how much money was available and where it was to be spent.Failure to follow our directives would lead to voting our representative out of office.People,like my father,were willing to spend the time to run these tax payer groups because they knew it was the only way to control the situation.If the Tea Party took the next step,with local groups,we could reclaim our beloved nation.

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      • Sandals says:

        Now you’re talking. Violence will only begat violence. The sooner the gun rights guys realize this, the sooner we get to a real solution. But I fear there are’nt enough people like you and I.

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    27. mornings says:

      That is a really good, maybe eye-opening article, at least for our modern times. But in the end Brandon Smith is just another of the dewy-eyed apologist who praises the beginning of the American government then goes on to lament, “Oh, how could we have gone so wrong?”

      But this is not a modern problem. Nay, it has been with us since humankind was able to store more than a days worth of food. If you will read history a little closer you will find that before the ink was dry on the US Constitution, it had already been diluted and distorted, and abuses acted on. The great men who fathered the the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution understood well the dangers of gov’t. But apparently, it never occurred to them that gov’t is the [i]source[/i] of our problems, instead of a necessary evil to solve them (actually it did occur to Thomas Jefferson but he never acted on it).

      Somehow they nor hardly anyone else wants to deal with the moral inconsistency that it is criminal when one takes from another by the initiation or threat of force or by fraud or deception, but that somehow the exact same actions taken by a gov’t can be seen as legal and right. There are volumes and volumes of self serving justifications but none has ever made it right, none has found a way to live with the beast peaceably — [i]nor can they[/i]. It is that inconsistency, that illusion that is at the root of practically all human suffering.

      It seems that throughout practically all written human history there has been a struggle to tame or control the leviathan. There is hardly a person in all that time who has not had an opinion — self serving or otherwise — as to how it could or should be done.

      But, we will not see a change in this long battle between those who yearn to be free and those who wish to control (and extract a price — this is not simply a well meaning abstract idea), just temporary cessations and up and downs in gov’t power, control and destruction, until we come to understand that it is [i]never[/i] right for anyone or group to take from another by force or fraud. Our choice is between freedom and slavery. Gov’t will eternally be the agent of slavery.

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      • Laughing at you says:

        Agreed morning (and I’m not laughing at you). Smith like many writers here fails to provide anything other then another whine. What do you do with a child that refuses to grow up and simply whines?

        Real parents would punish that child. Get the hint Smith. Basically, you need to be bitched slapped. Stop pussy-footing around the issues and the whole truth. The Constitution was subverted almost immediately. Nobody today is actually “under the Constitution” – go read Lysander Spooner “No Treason”. http://jim.com/treason.htm

        We all live under an illusion that needs to be utterly shattered once and for all. We need to drop our fantasy’s of “electing” a true leader (bullshit), of “fixing our government” (more bullshit), of doing nothing but documenting and whining yet again and again ad naseum about “the problem” (barf) and lay out what can actually be done about it. No need to regurgitate again and again what everybody here already knows anyway.

        Unless you’re just trying for readership. Which is absolutely and utterly pointless, ’cause you’re not yet saying anything we haven’t all already heard and understand completely. So why are you doing it?

        Don’t answer that. Nobody on this site has the courage to admit it yet, so let’s leave off that rather sore point.

        “mornings” is quite right. It is the moral failings within all people (government, libertarians, citizens, website owners, authors, everyone) that have created the conditions by which we all witness and endure.

        And I’m not seeing anybody here address that very important issue. The failure to even identify this (except in your more intelligent readers) is telling. I can forgive this — but only if you stop preaching half-truths and grow up.

        We are not at all the “unified group” of Americans (I’m speaking of the dissenting half) that you and other writers here seem to think we are. Not even close. Some of us have gone much further then you have in our understanding of what’s going on and how we got here and more importantly to the times and this particular article, what needs to be done next. But this website can’t seem to find the words! Why is that?

        Here are a few of the words you need: Stop. Stop promoting the same lies and deceptions as everyone else. Go on, go further, that’s what people are coming here for (if you can). Point a direction. Give some insights on what we need to do instead of whining some more. If you don’t know — just ask, lots of people here know plenty. Your article already hints at it! If we’re all now “enemy combatants”, then we are AT WAR.

        Hint enough for you?

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        • Brandon Smith says:

          @Laughing

          The point of the article is to shed light on the root of the problem; elitist manipulation of a system originally intended for honest protection of the public. This problem is not as obvious to most Americans as you seem to think it is.

          Your response is highly naive and poorly thought out. The answers are far more complex than simply “declaring war”. Only someone with the mind of a stunted child jumps to such conclusions as haphazardly as you do. There are complexities that need to be addressed, and more people that need to be educated. I can’t tell you how many morons I have heard lament that we simply need to “pull out the guns” and formally announce a rebellion. That’s not how it works. That’s not how it has ever worked, even during the first American Revolution.

          Internet tough guys like yourself, who always turn out to be cowards in the end, love to beat their chests and brag and boast that “they have more guts” than the next guy. Well, if that is so, then put your money where your mouth is, and take some action. Show me how its done, buddy! Otherwise, you are just another blow hard with delusions of grandeur. Talk is cheap. Back up your conclusions with actions, or stop wasting all our time.

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          • mornings says:

            Brandon,

            Your piece is thoughtful and has value. Undoubtedly, just the volume of comments here reflect that. We just need more from you.

            All gov’ts are rogues at the heart of it. They are because they can be. They exist and survive because of false assumptions. The US constitutional gov’t did not become infected with a virus at some point in its history. IT IS THE VIRUS. Yes, there may have been a tipping point when, on balance, it oppressed rather than protected. But the seeds of corruption were there, Day One.

            My ancestors were both Cherokee and Lakota Sioux. I can tell you, there is nothing new going on. It is just that the stakes are higher.

            Now, it seems to me we have two choices henceforth: 1) we can continue to make the assumption (It is an assumption because nothing in history supports it) that we can somehow under some system of fighting fire with fire, so to speak, tame or control the “Rogue”. Or, 2) we can come to realize that as humans our nature is not flawed (as practically every institution on the face of the planet would suggest) and that we can, using the only nature we have, find a way to organize ourselves prosperously and peaceably without the use of force or fraud.

            It is our system that corrupts, not the intentions of men. The intentions that lead to destruction are the effect, not the cause. This is not about blame. Our system is based on some false assumptions. These are the unintentional cause. False assumptions lead to bad conclusions and unintended consequences and actions. Government itself is based on some false and even conflicting assumptions. And, I think, we can see empirically that all systems based on the use of the initiation force, reinforce their own false assumptions — as the system would change if the assumptions change. If, of course, the false assumptions do not change, the system will self destruct.

            Nature always wins. Maybe with your help we’ll get it right.

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    28. Sandals says:

      All of you advocating the use of guns: forget it. You’re hopelessly outmatched. Physical threats to the government will be met with overwhelming force, meaning death and serious injury to you, your friends and family. There’s only one possible answer to this (or any) government that’s gone rogue: starve the beast. Yes, it means going to jail for those who don’t provide a portion of their food to provide the beast with what it needs, but it’s the only way. But once this idea takes hold and enough do stop feeding, it will die. It only survives on the fear of incarceration by it’s feeders. So stop avoiding the 800 pound gorilla in the room and stop feeding! It takes guts, but that’s what it’s going to take to bring the beast down, not occupy movements, guns or rhetoric.

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      • What are you talking about? American gun owners are the largest “army” in the world – larger than the U.S. Military’s paltry few-hundred-thousand.

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        • Sandals says:

          What I’m talking about is the ability to send a hell fire missile on anyone who has the audacity to turn a gun on them. They’ve been perfecting opposition control techniques for the past ten years on the hapless populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. You’re a fool indeed to try to shoot them. They’ll take you out in a heartbeat.

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          • yental says:

            Why the continued assault on the second ammendment then. THEY can “blow us all away” on a whim. Or can they? American troops going “postal” on American people.

            Take out the chain of command from D.C. on down the line and who will coordinate this destruction of American citizens by American troops?

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      • Big J Enterprises says:

        There is no rhetoric — you take our guns, liberty, we kill you. It’s not a hard complex concept. It’s what got this nation started.

        Those that don’t want to fight can work in a support capacity for the Constitutional insurgents like the 3% during the American War for Independance.

        Missiles from droids on certain known command elements in country, certainly. On thousands of independant movers/shakers bent on disruption and advanced guerrilla warfare? The government doesn’t have the resources.

        The only way they can effectively invoke martial law is to bring in massive bodies of foreign troops. That should go over well /sarcasm.

        In addition, the entire U.S. military is not going to throw out their Constitutional oaths. Plus we’ve got all those returning vets. And former vets. Like spec ops p*ssed to no end for the sacrifices they did abroad for this country, elite best trained fighters in the world who can do major damage.

        The recent tyranny, Fast and Furious scandal was broken and known about December 2010 — long before reported in any media — by the Constitutional militia online. How? By snitches in ATF, etc. The “great beast” can be turned into a paper tiger.

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    29. Toomanyfakeconservatives says:

      The central bankers and the governments they own have the global populace by the nuts. There will be no end to Occupy Wall Street, civil unrest, or the upcoming wars for U.S. Empire. The most powerful explanation you can get of this begins at 2:31:06 of Zeitgeist: Moving Forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

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    30. Bruce Grossheim says:

      America has been going against the graces of God and Godliness for the last almost 100 years. Government Sponsored abortions, Government sponsored Homosexualism. The persecution of the catholic Clergy for their stance on Homosexualism, by any and all accusation of petelfilia. We’re headed for Gods woodshed for a spankin’ It anit gonna be pretty, Our Government has become controled by the Liberal Red Dopper Diaper Babies, George Soros Money Changers.Yes the Joesph Gerbels Information Ministry is excellant. Who think if they get rid of all the useless eaters. There will be more gas, food, oil, gold, for them. You should be preparing for yourself and your families. Food storage, water, planting seeds, safe fuel storage, weapons and ammo. A 12 ga pump shotgun with #4 or00 buckshot a .22 semi auto rifle the very least and a couple hundred rounds for each. Maybe a side arm. Be a “Community Organizer” of a hometown Militia.Also if the perverbal Stuff hits the fan there’ll be lots of STUFF to Liberate? Good Luck my Fellow Countrymen. Watch your top knot, Keep Your Powder Dry. SP/4 Bruce Grossheim, US Army Retired

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      • Laughing at you says:

        Say’s who? That book that you clearly know nothing about? Maybe you should do some real investigative research on the 30,000 known errors and inconsistencies that have been documented in that book.

        Every. Single. Thing. You know about God was found in that same flawed book. Your notion of morality, history, the “will of God” and even the application / meaning / purpose of religion is all drawn from this flawed source.

        It is not God who is “heading up to the woodshed”, it is your fellow human who is doing this to you, to me, to everyone. God has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything that is going on on this entire planet. It is all the fault / doings of your fellow humans. But you religious folks have your heads shoved so far up your asses that you cannot smell the breeze, and it’s blowing mighty hard outside, a gigantic storm is ‘abrewin.

        Wake the hell up and reexamine your entire premises. If you really want to know the truth, look very hard into the dogma you are preaching and you will find as much hatred, xenophobia, racism, murder, violence and death as in any other religion. Your in good company.

        If you really want to see change, start by changing yourself and your flawed understanding of the real reason we are all in such deep, deep shit.

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        • yental says:

          I agree with the overall premise of your position. I threw off the shackles of organized religious “brainwashing” many years ago. That being said, no converts to either side of the argument will be gained on this site and commentary format. I will still argue politics, but arguing religion is a “fart in the wind”. Both sides get the others “stench”, but it rapidly, and unproductively fades with the prevailing winds of each side of the argument.

          Besides, a plethra of “religious oriented sites” offer ample opportunity for debate and scriptural “cherry-picking”. My 2 cents.

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    31. Ghost of Xmas Future says:

      November 25, 2011, Black Friday, had the most background checks for firearm purchases in a single day (129,166) with a 32 percent increase over the previous NICS high (November 28, 2008):

      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2815219/posts

      Yep. Me so horny.

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    32. Davidus Romanus says:

      I agree with the article, but nitpicker that I am, I think the Magna Carta was a legal document that limited the power of Prince John, the then government of England.
      Also, a good number of medieval and renaissance cities had charters which limited the power that governments had over their affairs.

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    33. Kevin Beck says:

      Whenever some government thug says, “We’re doing/ implementing this for your own good,” then you know the lies are coming fast and furious. Government is only concerned with how much control they can exert over their subjects so the subjects won’t revolt.

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    34. fgbouman says:

      Both the Left and the Right should be able to agree that Congress and the Supreme Court exist primarily to consolidate the power of plutocrats and protect the security of government employee leeches. Large corporations and the government work hand-in-hand to weaken and destroy the bottom 95% of income earners… it is in their nature and if they succeed, they will in so doing destroy the source of their wealth and security. They are not vampires, they are very stupid ones. But so far, we are even more stupid for half of us support them in their theft of our futures.

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    35. Airborne-Fatty says:

      I’m surprised at how many comments I fully agree with. Most of these blogs are just fodder for trolls who fancy themselves as Rambo types or someone that knows more than everybody else.
      I am an ex-ARMY stud that has grown soft and tollerant over the last 20 years. Lately I have been wondering what the hell the govt. is doing and how much further I’ll let them push me before I call bullshit. On one hand I think that protest and voting will show ‘em how disgusted we are. On the other hand, I really think that the only way they will really get the message is through forceful removal.

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    36. Pancho villa says:

      Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box…… In that order. :-)

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    37. herbert stamper says:

      Airborne is right as rain. the only way is forceful removal. We are at a turning point where the government here is about to become like that of saudis,and irans,so the longer we wait,the harder it will be,but must have someone to replace the communist thugs in place,ready to bring smaller government ideas our founders intended. Too much of our freedom and libertys have been trampled on by both partys,but obummer is about to take it over the edge. this piece of human feces must go quickly,along with his thug buddies.

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    38. Saintpaulia says:

      OK. Let’s seee if this webpage allows me to post a comment. Often when I try to do this it does not work. If it does I’ll be back (to quote Arnold)

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    39. Saintpaulia says:

      Ah! I see that it is up on the page, even though awaiting “moderation”. I will assume that I pass that test.

      So, where are we? I’ve been sitting here reading this whole thing, I’ve even emailed usmarine888, and I’ve been a’thinking real hard. And I think that the Answer to our problem combines elements of several thoughtful posters.

      There is of course the “Violent, Armed Revolution” faction. And then there is the “Do It Lawfully” faction, incl. those who still believe we have honest elections. There is the “Sheriff Is King” faction (small but I like it). Then there are those good souls who believe that Jesus is going to rescue us. And lastly the “Philosophical Anarchists”. All have some useful approaches/thoughts/ways-and-means.

      Now, here’s what I’ve worked out so far.
      1) We need ORGANIZATION. We can’t do this by our own selves separately.
      2) What kind of Organization is next question.
      3) I suggest that it has to be a legitimate organization with some legal validity to it. The Powers-That-Be operate that way. They don’t just come out and say that thy are going to enslave everyone whether we like it or not. They enslave us through their version of “due process”.
      4) Now, what size of organization can we profitably begin with and use? It has to be big enough to take on at least a part of the Establishment in a realistic fashion.
      5) What we need is something legal the size of a State. Something that can show the way for the others. The mainstream media can ignore or if necessary smear and tar “a bunch of guys with guns or _______ fill in the blank. But it can’t ignore a whole State saying to the Federals “We don’t like this and so we are no longer participating.

      This is kind of the nullification argument. But how to get any State to do this? And soon enough? That’s where my ideas stall out. I don’t have enough knowledge to go further. But I do like the idea of at last starting with Country Sheriffs. And rally around those. Afterall they are legally elected representatives of US. At the most basic and small, local governmental unit.

      Problem is that this is going to take time and I don’t know/think we have very much time left. Things look pretty dire right now with this latest outlandish law the Senate of the United States voted FOR 93-7. Just unreal.

      You can write to me at my scrub email: catevala@hotmail.com if you want to keep this idea rolling.

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    40. Butchrgt says:

      I have read so many comments my eyes are bleery, and i wonder how much thought has gone into some of these statements made. Do any of you paper warriors think for one isolated moment the Feds are just going to sit by and let you overthrow the US Government? If you feel that way you better go back to bed and get some more sleep! You all are unhappy, and fed up with the way our Beautiful country is being ran by the crooks and thieves on Main st America and the Wall Street Mongers.. Well so am I, but attempting to overthrow the Government is not the answer!I wouldn’t dream of doing that plus, I don’t entertain the thought of fightig my fellow GI’s on a fruitless mission! I would not fire upon the Military Personnel of my country, not even to gain control of our Government! Sure we have leaders right now are as crooked as the day is long! Those are the people that need to be replace, but killing my fellow GI’s will not happen on my block!
      I hope those persons know that just saying or planning to organize an army of people for the purpose of removing the officials in the Senate, Congress and the White house is a Federal Crime, which you could be punished before you even got your plan off the ground. You all had better be careful of what you say or do that could indicate a Revolution against the US Government! Plus I hope you realize that you will be going up against the most powerful, best trained Armed Forces on the face of the earth. They are also have the latest weapontry, highest technological equiptment, more than a million strong. What are your chances of success-Nil, how many of you will survive a confrontation against a full blown attack by our military forces? Probably none or if lucky a few!
      IF YOU WANT TO COMMITT SUCIDE DO IT, BUT DON’T TAKE A LOT OF MEN AND WOMEN WITH YOU! Think it over, and I hope you make the correct decision! “God Bless America”

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    41. Airborne-Fatty says:

      Well said Saint. Problem is, we are too sparcely represented in each state across the nation. It’s not like all of us that are fed up will just amass in Iowa. I like your ideas but like you, I get stymied by the execution.
      Butch also has some great points. I don’t see myself taking up arms against my fellow soldiers. Maybe they would act as the Syrians and refuse engagement or defect. Just my 2 cents. Airborne.

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    42. Earnest Ernest says:

      To US Marine: I appreciate your candor and your efforts. You speak of honor and you obviously speak with honor. I agree with you completely with a few additions from my own personal experience.

      We do not need much organization to effect a correction. As a matter of fact the less organization the better in most situations. If more that 10 or 12 people gather at least one is a Federal Agent of some kind. It is my observation that all wars are fought by men that would rather be somewhere else, but always by disposable men, never by the directors of the war. We have several advantages over the Banksters. We are so many. They are so few. The disposable people the Banksters have purchased and sent to do their bidding, are very high profile opportune targets. They consist mostly of Cops, and lawyers. Our streets are populated with cops and our courts are populates with lawyers. They feed on human misery and where they can’t find it they create it. These bottom feeders know they are outside the law and are very afraid of anyone that speaks of the law. They can be intimidated very easily. A few good men can hold off a very large number of them in a fight in any forum. One good sniper can strike fear into the hearts and minds of all of them. They know they are vulnerable.

      Most of them have an oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the United States, but I have yet to find one that has read it.

      In your comment you spoke of both duty and honor. Hopefully you did not mean to imply they are synonoymous. Duty is an undertaking to some end. It has been my observation that everyone executes their duty to the full extent of their personal intrgrity. The oath of office imposes a duty. It is a contract. If the one taking the oath has no personal integrity or he has sold it for a pay-check, he is your enemy.

      Honor, on the other hand is the value a person places on his own personal integrity or his commitment to duty. Veterans have taken an oath to protect the Constitution. I would call on them all to remember that oath and renew it and committ them selves to its execution. We are so many. They are so few, and we have the law.

      Earnest Ernest

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    43. TONY says:

      People there is only one solution which can be implimented by you, the people of this country to change the federal governmental controls over your lives. You need a powerful origanization which you can influence. It is obvious that we the people cannot influence this current federal government. Its like trying to stop a runaway truck going downhill, with brakes designed for a car. It can’t be done, however, you can get the state government to oppose any law, rule, regulation, or policy that the federal government passes which violates the constitution. Tell them what you think , why you need their help to change the course of this country. Central government is out of control .The state governments are the only origanized force powerful enough to oppose the central government. MAke them your sword of justice and restore the great power of the constitution. and say no to any law which violates the constitution, So, if you want to redirect the destructive force , of the central governement , tell your state representatives, governors and state courts that you want your constutuional rights perserved against all agencies who try to violate your rights. Lets see how the federal government deals with ALL the states who say NO, NO MORE. This will not happen in my state.
      Now, lets say that YOUR STATE REFUSES to listen to your needs and respect the constitution, what answer does that send to you the citizen of this country? Think about it.
      Then you will finally have the answer, you will know exactly where you the people stand, hopefully it is not on quicksand, but on solid foundation supported by your state.
      Only one real way to find out. ask your state for help. Follow the example of Vermont and Some of the towns and cities in Maine. Read and become educated.. I am almost 70 and I tell all you young people out there, this country is yours, but you have to fight for it. Get your state to support your efforts, don’t be part of the PROBLEM, be the SOLUTION.

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    44. dokteur says:

      I am the oldest survivor of the first Special Forces, founded just before and during the Korean War. I feel extreme angst knowing that the country I see today is not the country my men died for. I am a 100% DAV from that war, and have witnessed the charade of the VA taking care of veterans, so that I seek care elsewhere. Too, I witness our country’s leader/politicians putting forth bills pointed at Amerikcan citizens as terrorists, when in fact they have become Godlike in their own mind, and should be put away. I see my country’s leaders feeling they have the right to murder anyone without due process, simp;y by implication, without proof, stripping the accused of habaeus corpus. I am old and depend upon others for my care who give of themselves beyond my asking, and that makes me feel so very humble for their efforts. They like other Americans are good people, but they are young and know not, another way our country thrived under freedom and rights for the individual. They accept that which I outrightly reject, and do not understand my anger over the changes, past present and destined in the future. Sadly, except for my words I can no longer fight for this country, but if it happened, a rebellion against Washington DC, I would gladly be at the front to carry out Thomas Jefferson’s advice, that is; the citizens should march of government every six years, take everyone representing the people and their aides from their office. Give them fair trial and if it is found they have violated their oath they shall be shot by firing squad at sunrise, or hung by the neck until dead. (Federtalist Papers) dokteur

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