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    We Are Close to The End: “The Con Job Is Up”

    Mac Slavo
    November 4th, 2013
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    We’ve seen decades of manipulation in the monetary, financial and economic systems of this country. And while most people have fallen hook, line and sinker for the recovery narrative touted by the establishment, the reality is a stark contrast to what they’re being told.

    As Jay Taylor notes, we must first admit we’ve been conned. Then we absolutely must take steps to protect ourselves from the geo-political disaster to come.

    Of course the masses of people don’t get it… they don’t believe it. They’re content to take at face value what they’re told by the mainstream media…

    What people really have to understand is that the manipulation is systemic… Just by being in the system and holding dollars you are being taken advantage of.

    You need to get as much as possible outside of the system.

    And one way to reduce the systemic risk is to trade those fiat dollars… which are really worthless… they have nothing of intrinsic value… they are really just a con game… They need to exchange those dollars for gold and silver, real estate, diamonds… I would say other things that have tangible value, that no matter what the currency does, you still have possession and ownership of those assets.

    We are close to the end…

    The point is, the con job is up… the dollar could collapse very, very quickly…

    Once people lose confidence, it’s going to be too late. People need to be opting out of the system now, before everybody else figures out that the system is sick and is going down.

    Jay Taylor provides some key insights into how the markets are being manipulated, what to expect in coming months and years, and how to diversify yourself before the masses realize what has happened and go into panic mode.

    Watch the full interview from Future Money Trends:


    (Watch at Future Money Trends)

    Jay offers up some non-traditional ideas, including developing the one asset that may be your saving grace in a post-collapse world: life sustaining skills that can be bartered for goods and services when confidence in our current dollar-denominated mechanism of exchange is finally lost. Taylor understand the fundamental problems plaguing the global economy and monetary systems. He’s a strong proponent of tangible goods and he’s been investing in wealth preservation assets like physical gold and silver, real estate with productive capacity, and the people who actually produce something of value for human beings, such as farmers, inventors, and gold mining firms like Brazil Resources.

    Moreover, he understands where all of this leads, and it’s a situation where traditional methods of income may well dry up:

    What people need to do is to get outside of the system.

    People with more average means need to develop a set of life sustaining skills, so that when the system breaks down…. and unfortunately I am absolutely sure the system will break down eventually and I’m afraid sooner rather than later… People are going to want to have skills that they can trade to barter, essentially, their services for other things that are necessary.

    The economy is as sick as ever… The con artists are back in town… They’ve restored confidence to the system… It seems like, to people who want to drink the establishment’s Cool-Aid, that things are looking pretty good.

    You can’t trust them…

    The fact of the matter is that when this goes down – and it will – tens of millions of Americans are going to be hit with a financial sledgehammer unlike they have ever felt before. There is no hope for the majority of these people. They don’t believe it can happen, you won’t convince them, and they are doing nothing to prepare and insulate themselves for when it does.

    Those paying attention will, at the very least, have a basic level of protection that includes tangible assets – food, supplies, precious metals, and a skill-set that will help us thrive when others are left with no other option but to panic.

    It will happen quickly; very quickly.

    Be ready for when it does.

    wethesheeple

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    1. SilverSax says:

      Don’t forget spiritual preparation.

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      • VegasJim says:

        Amen to that. Followed closely by lead. Forces have almost shut that one down.

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        • KY Mom says:

          Four blood red moons will occur on holy days on the Biblical calendar in 2014 and 2015. The Biblical calendar is based on the sun and the new moon. Jews are familiar with this calendar, as holy feast days are set by it. Easter is a Christian holiday that is set by the Biblical calendar. That is why Easter is celebrated each year, but the actual date on our calendar varies – usually falls in March or April.

          “These are the Lord’s appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times.”
          Leviticus 23:22

          Blood moons expert: Watch 2014 and 2015

          “Pastor John Hagee was invited by Fox News this week to discuss the significance of four blood moons coming over the next two years – on the Jewish Passovers on April 15, 2014, and April 4, 2015, and the Feasts of Tabernacles on Oct. 8, 2014, and Sept. 28, 2015.

          Such events have occurred only three other times in recent centuries, and each time they were linked to significant events for the Jewish nation.

          For example, when it happened in 1493 and 1494 Jews were expelled from Spain. The blood moons in 1949 and 1950 came right after the nation of Israel was assembled, giving the Jews a homeland for the first time in thousands of years.
          And in 1967 and 1968 it was linked to the Six-Day War.

          “This is something that just is beyond coincidental,” Hagee told Fox. He explained that the prophecies in the Bible note that when the sun refuses to shine – and a solar eclipse is expected in the 2014-2015 time frame – and the moon will be turned to blood, then man’s redemption draweth near.”

          Also, there is a total solar eclipse on 3/20/15, which is Nisan 1 – the “first day of the religious New Year according to the scriptures.”

          http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/blood-moons-expert-watch-2014-and-2015/

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          • Anon7 says:

            KY Mom: John Hagee preached about how when Israel became a county again in 1948 that the end would come within a generation, as did Hal Lindsey in his book “The Late Great Plane Earth” (1970). They both said that was 40 years according to their reading of the Bible, well 1988 came and went and nothing happened. So they and others ‘readjusted’ what they ‘thought’ a generation was more than a few times since their original ‘interpretation’ of a generation was wrong. After being wrong a few times on this they sort of just let it slide and don’t mention that failure anymore. Hagee, Lindsey, and others also said that Russia as the then Soviet Union would invade Israel along with Tubal, which was E. Germany and its allies. Well, Russia is smaller in size, population and military strength than before and E. Germany and the Iron Curtain are no more. They let those failed prophesies go too and are now grasping at straws this time with the ‘Blood Moon’ stuff. As for eclipses, there have always been solar and lunar eclipses and to try and read something significant into them is as desperate as tea leaves, horoscopes, and any other such non-scientific superstitions. The only thing these guys have gotten right is how they’ve been consistently wrong for so long (40+ years) and going strong. But hey, don’t let a little thing like these facts get the way of your fears.

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            • DRD5508 says:

              Anon7,’The only thing these guys have gotten right is..: they keep collecting large sums of money from people that won’t hold them accountable for being false prophets. There are many sheeple following false religions and false prophets not just gov’ts.

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              • swampratt says:

                DRD5508 hey partner you hit the nail on the head
                those two are clowns and there are many more like them
                good job pointing them out for those who don’t know

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              • saintinlight says:

                You hit the nail on the head! Almost All, if not All televangelists are wolves in sheep’s clothing.

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Best reason for so many pastors today Parroting Hagee and the few other filthy rich falsehood promotors is likly because after hagee and jerry falwell Both got FREE Jet Planes donated to them by NY-Chicago-jews along with the State of Israel govnt funding, now a coupld Hundred Thousand preachers nationwide have adopted Hagees and Falwells pro jew and israel firster false teachings so maybe they too get lucky with a FREE Jet Plane with millions cash for fuel.

                  50 yrs ago nobody so promoted jews or israel. Most priets and pastors spoke Truth of jew issues etc. Then FREE Jets and off to the Prophecy Books and movies races! Bless the jews and get a free jet plane for YOUR pastor folks!

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            • GJ TeSlaa says:

              Here’s a source that can answer ALL of those questions: http://www.british-israel.ca/

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            • George says:

              Psalm 90:10
              Our days may come to seventy years,
              or eighty, if our strength endures;
              yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
              for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

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            • Quietly Listening says:

              Anon 7: Just one thing I can’t agree with. The part when you wrote, “Well, Russia is smaller in size, population, and military strength than before.” Uh-hum (clearing throat), have you not read the news within last year? Russia is a MAJOR key player in international politics, and many experts would not agree with you. Russia is key and quite worthy of keeping an eye on. No small player, for sure!

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          • SilverSax says:

            KY Mom, if you haven’t seen it yet, get the lecture series by Mark Biltz called, “The Feasts of Israel”. Fascinating and eye-opening!
            I recommend it for everyone, though there are those who will refuse knowledge, wisdom and understanding, and remain in ignorance, simply because this series has “Israel” in the title.

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            • KY Mom says:

              Silversax,

              I have a DVD by Mark Biltz, called, “The Feasts of the Lord.”

              It is fascinating and eye opening!

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              • KY Mom,

                I have that DVD set as well, and while it is fascinating, it has some problems. The big problem is that Pastor Mark uses the old Hillel II calendar based on mathematical and astronomical calculations (which is the calendar used by most Jews today). There was good reason for making that calendar at that time since the Jews had been kicked out of Israel and Jerusalem and therefore were unable to use the Biblical method for determining the year. The problem is that it’s not accurate since the new year is determined by the ripening of the barley – when it reaches the stage called “Abib,” which is also the name of the first month of the year. In other words, the new year is not determined by astronomical calculations. Since we now have believers in Jerusalem, it makes sense to use the Biblical calendar again.

                The point is that you don’t know when the year actually starts until the barley reaches Abib. Therefore Pastor Mark can’t say when the next year will begin before it actually begins, which means he can’t know if these blood moons will actually fall on feast days or not.

                If you want to follow the Biblical calendar, the Karaite Jews still follow it and you can check out the calendar on their website, Karaite-Korner dot org.

                That being said, I still wouldn’t rule out those blood moons as being a signal that significant things are going to be happening. The universe still operates according to the will of Yehovah, and these are significant events set in place for a sign to us and the fact that they fall on Hillel’s calendar also seems significant.

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                • Chip says:

                  KY Mom

                  It will happen, so difficult to predict. It could happen this afternoon or 20 years from now. But there is no question it will happen. Doing prepping is a part of everyday anyway. You get a generator, its just an investment. You buy seeds, another investment. Any prepping you do is simply an investment, especially tools, that you can use over and over. To me prepping is just common sense. If you are wrong, you can use your stuff anyway, if you are right, you will survive.

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            • KY Mom says:

              SilverSax,

              Here is another link you might find interesting.

              Something so unusual, yet the media chose NOT to report it…

              THE MOST INTRINSICALLY BRIGHT OBJECT EVER OBSERVED BY HUMANS IN THE UNIVERSE

              March 19, 2008 – “a powerful gamma ray burst detected by NASA’s Swift satellite in the Bo-otes constellation shattered the record for the most distant object that could be seen with the naked eye.”

              “It was a whopper,” said Swift principal investigator Neil Gehrels of the Goddard Space Flight Center. “This blows away every gamma ray burst we’ve seen so far.”

              NASA said the afterglow “was 2.5 million times more luminous than the most luminous supernova ever recorded, making it THE MOST INTRINSICALLY BRIGHT OBJECT EVER OBSERVED BY HUMANS IN THE UNIVERSE.”

              http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/21mar_nakedeye/

              (Reading this, I thought of Matthew 3: 11-12)
              “The constellation known as Bo-otes, or ‘the Coming One,’ shows a man with a sickle coming to reap a harvest, and, according to some, is a heavenly sign predicting the return of Jesus to Earth.”

              http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=138997

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              • Anon7 says:

                KY Mom: Wow, now that’s a real reach, grasping at straws again so soon. The Bootes supernova was first seen in 2008 but somehow it’s relevant now five years later? Bootes doesn’t mean the “coming one” it means the “Heardsman” or “Plowdriver”. The literal translation is the “Ox-Driver”, which has nothing to do with your imaginary harvester with a sickle. This in actaully means just the opposite of your take on it. But again, don’t let a few things like facts get in the way of a perfectly good paranoid fantasy. Life must be nearly unbearable for you to want the end of earth.

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          • SilverSax says:

            KY Mom, if you haven’t seen it yet, get the lecture series by Mark Biltz called, “The Feasts of Israel”. Fascinating and eye-opening!
            I recommend it for everyone, though there are those who will refuse knowledge, wisdom and understanding, and remain in ignorance, simply because this series has “Israel” in the title.

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            • SilverSax says:

              Sorry about the “double-tap”.

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              • SilverSax says:

                Two men are preppers.
                Both have food, water, guns, ammo, BOL, all the life-sustaining preps.
                Each is watchful and ready.
                One of the men sneers at the thought of God and the salvation of the soul. He calls Christianity “a crutch for the weak-minded”.
                The other man acknowledges his weaknesses. He understands that Christianity is much more than a “crutch”, it’s Life itself.
                Which man is better prepped?

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                • Government Guy says:

                  The one who believes he already has eternal life is less prepared to do horrible things to hold on to this one.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  The one who believes he already has eternal life is clearly not following instructions:

                  “…with fear and trembling work out your salvation.”

                  Philippians 2:12

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                • SilverSax says:

                  I like that answer, Govt Guy. Thumbs up.
                  Not true, though. That man loves his family and his life as much as the un-spiritual man.
                  @John Q – my salvation was worked out 41 years ago.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  Your salvation is in jeopardy until your final breath.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  My salvation is in jeopardy until my final breath.

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                • SilverSax says:

                  Wrong, John Q. The sacrificial work of Christ was effective and powerful. If you believe that a sin can cause the loss of your salvation, then you’re saying that your salvation does not depend on the shed blood of Christ, but on your own goodness. You have to “stay good enough” to keep your salvation. That’s not found anywhere in the Bible.
                  I am a “new creation”. Sin doesn’t turn me back into the old creation.
                  I’m a son of God. Sin doesn’t change what family I’ve been born into.
                  The reason many people believe that they can lose their salvation is because when they sin, Satan is there to tell them they’re condemned. They believe it and therefore feel condemned. But “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. “

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  You think that Jesus Christ died an agonizing death on the cross so that monsters can go to Heaven? No, you must cooperate with graces and be baptized, believe, and behave as he commanded.

                  “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:20

                  “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 7:21

                  “…But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” Matthew 19:17

                  “Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation” Phillipians 2:12

                  “What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.” James 2:14-18

                  “…Who will render to every man according to his works.” Romans 2:6

                  “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.” Matthew 16:27

                  “For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.” 2 Corinthians 5:10

                  “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ” Apocalypse 20:12

                  See also Matthew 25:31-46 (the unrighteous are condemned for failing to do good deeds), 1 Corinthians 13:2 (faith without love is useless), Galatians 5:6 (faith without love is useless), etc., etc., etc.

                  There are about 30 MORE verses that testify to the necessity of good works. I will gladly supply them all.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  You have to wonder about those “Bible believers” who thumbs-down Bible verses because the verses reject their man-made doctrines and wishful thinking.

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                • SilverSax says:

                  Hope you don’t think it was me, John Q. Have you given me a thumbs-down?

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              • John Q. Public says:

                @ Silver Sax

                I did not thumb you down personally, only your “once saved, always saved” error.

                All together there are about 40 New Testament verses that make clear that one simple affirmation (crying “Lord, Lord”) is NOT enough. What we do matters and it matters until our dying breath.

                Preppers who have a bit too much blood lust need to keep that in mind.

                Pax Domini sit semper tecum, Silver Sax.

                :-)

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          • DocLRRP says:

            Going over the edge. I hope that there are capable head doctors after the crash. :-)

            How will you communicate without links ??????

            keep looking up at the sky and you will bump into a lot of people and things. Try not to get hurt.

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          • Peterson says:

            Glad to see more people are becoming tired of this crap also….

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            • sparkey says:

              I agree with you most people just want to bitch and complain say where is my food stamps who is going to pay my electric bill and mooch off the other guy I feel so sorry for the lazy sons a bitches will freeze to death may the rest of us have a good day.

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            • Jerry C says:

               just so all you know, Christianity is just like all the other religions out there, whats stolen from the zodiacs religion. don’t believe me, compare them. they all have the same thing, just different names and dates. and yes it is based off the moon and sun (sol, Jesus Christ, the holy spirit, the sun is god. <— see that period. it means period) and also the stars. right around the time Christianity became the major religion ( right after the slaughter of the Egyptians (( which in fact have the same religion, just once again, different names, and some dates changes, still three wise men, a bright star, ect ect)) which the Christians did, and one general even asked why he was killing these people, they have the same faith as us.). any way i spent large amounts of my time in this life trying to find god, i found him, he was there everyday. the sun. and this my friends has nothing to do with the sun. but i would like to say you should know where you religion came from before you fight about it. also the bible was written by many many people. not one man, it was a story book of values. the reason this country is collapsing has nothing to do with god. if your trying to tell me that people that don't believe in god are all immoral and evil, i say fuck you. and i can repeat that with a hand gesture if you would like. i am a very moral based person, i have nothing against your gods, i just wish you people would know where they come from, the time of Pisces is over, its now Aquarius' turn. notice how Jesus only showed up about 2000 yrs ago, tarsus was before him. any way im babbling about this.
              the country is falling apart because we have sat back an allowed them to take from us. we are willing slaves. we just don't realize it, because we refuse to accept reality. so instead we bicker about whose god is better, we kill over oil. we try to justify our actions. we get fat, drunk, have sex , watch TV, and play on the internet. not one of you i bet has the balls to stand with me and demand our country back. if your god is so powerful, stand with me and tell them we have had enough!! stop bitching on the internet like your some barney bad ass and get with the program. if your not with me, its you im fighting for. till you wake up and stand next to me, i shall always irritate and burn the eyes and ears. wake up, see the truth. stand or kneel, you decide.

              john q public,

              I truly understand your attitude and position – 40 years ago, I was much more ‘open’ to many of your comments in your first paragraph – but not now. Suffice it to say we both have our perspectives on ‘the truth’ – which are diametrically opposed to each other and arguing would simply be an exercise in futility for us both so I’ll respectfully and politely take a pass at ‘engaging’ you concerning any of those first paragraph comments –

              Concerning the overall context of your second paragraph, I’ll simply say: “..If you think it’s bad now, you haven’t seen anything yet… TPTB are just warming up”.

              This next sentence will probably make you gag but I feel compelled to say it anyway: “..the God of the Bible that I’ve come to accept as the real thing gave a series of prophecies that are (IMO) lining up flawlessly with current world events – politically, socially, ideologically, geologically, and also with regard to the study in astrophysics. I would go into the mathematical probabilities (pertaining the ‘odds’) but I’m confident you would not accept the numbers.

              If it wasn’t for the ‘key’ / cornerstone prophecy pertaining to the re-birth of Israel as a nation fulfilling Ez. Ch. 37, I would be in complete agreement with you that we – as a nation of individual states united under one Constitution need to ‘water the tree of Liberty’ and take this country back from the tyrants whom have stolen it out from under us.

              However, my conclusion of the matter (which would require the writing of a book to cover each consideration at this point) is this: Time’s up. God said in Isaiah 43 “… when I move My hand, who can stand against it?”

              The God I worship is moving and everything is lining up… attempting to ‘take back this land’ would be a ‘fools errand’…the whole world is under the control of ‘the elite’ who themselves are under the control of one entity (no need to go there either…). Their destiny includes being given an allotted brief time to have their way with all things and that is happening / developing now… and there is NOTHING you and I can do to ‘stand’ against it – it will happen – no matter what we try and do to stop it.

              The main objective at this point is to simply try and stay out of the way and stay alive… but good luck with that one – prophecies dictate that anywhere from well over half to almost 3/5’s of the world WILL perish (depending on how you ‘crunch the numbers’) under this rising global tyranny of chaos before ‘the anointed one’ returns.

              As a footnote to fellow ‘believers’: If it’s your desire to ‘stand and fight’ – let me direct you to the words of Christ for ‘reconsideration’: “…when you see these happen(ing), flee, run… don’t even go back to retrieve your cloak from the field or anything out of your home (modified text)”. In other words, ‘get the hell out of Dodge’ – I don’t see Christ condoning martyr-ism here – not when you’ve been given plenty of warning signs to look for and the opportunity / ‘command’ to flee… (Just my two cents worth here folks…)

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                • Jerry C says:

                  Wow… you silly little rabbit… all cute and furry, and completely oblivious to the ‘dread’ that is so softly knocking at the door… don’t say you were not warned. Run along and play now…

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              • This country was formed and founded at the point of a gun and that is the ONLY way it will be saved now.God can help if it wants.

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              • Anon7 says:

                Jerry C: In your fear to understand the world around you grasp at anything thing you think may give you some insight. Your desperation leads to cherry pick verses from the old and new testaments and create a collage that sort-of resembles what is currently going on in the world. But in fact, like a collage, it’s only a vague facsimile of reality and takes a bit of imagination to see the distorted picture. People use to think that there really were witches and that storms and diseases were either caused by an angry god or demons, take your pick. Today, through science, we know better and don’t live in abject fear. Science, unlike your bible, doesn’t claim to have all the answers. But it seems that the answers you and others get from scripture are often misunderstood as in the Hagee and Lindsey interpretations. Not exactly what one would call a precise indicator. So we are down to saying that anyone can read anything they wish into the bible if it fits their particular world view. But who am I to try and take your superstitions. If you want to live like a savage frightened of everything he doesn’t understand that’s your sad little life. FYI; folks since the time of Christ have been gaming prophecy and you’re just one more.

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              • Jerry C says:

                Sorry for being away from the screen for awhile… I had other obligations to meet… Instead of going through and responding to each reaction / comment – I thought I’d simply lump them all together with a single response.

                I fully understand all the cynical and / or varying responses… and on the surface, most all have merit. In fact, I can’t think of a single event in written history where savagery wasn’t committed in the ‘name of Jesus Christ’. On that, a small time philosopher years and years ago once said: “..Never judge the ideology / morals of a ‘religion’ based on the abuse of its’ followers”. Regardless of all the countless arguments (and I do indeed mean: ‘countless’) a person can come up with as to why they personally hate Christians, ultimately, you’re going to be asked one simple question: Who was / is Jesus Christ to you – personally. If He was simply a man, or a second rate prophet, or a false prophet, fine… so be it. Go and live your life – indulge yourself – as Martin Luther once said (I’m quoting him out of context – but the words fit what I’m wanting to say): If you’re going to sin, sin boldly, because that’s going to be your only ‘reward’ in this life.

                Anon7:

                You don’t know me whatsoever – I don’t live in fear – not in the slightest… I actually find a lot of ‘inner peace and joy’ in my surroundings… Seemingly based on the way you’re presenting yourself, am I to assume you have one or more degrees in Theology? If so, you need to return them… you obviously have no clue as to the validity of statements I made based on the words of Jesus Christ… and contrary to your perspective I stayed in context – I simply cut to the conclusions rather than ‘write a book’ on the subject matter.

                Concerning witches: yea, they exist. Concerning ‘storms and diseases’ being caused by and angry God – yea… that happens… You obviously don’t know your Old Testament as well as you alluded to claiming – go and re-read about the ten plagues unleashed on Egypt…. I’ll give you a hit… Start in Exodus…

                I see you’re also ‘assuming’ that I’m in agreement with Hagee’s and Lindsey’s interpretations / perspective of Scripture… nope… not really…but they appear to STILL be my ‘fellow brother’s in Christ’…

                So, I have superstitions. Wow, that’s news to me…

                In response to your statement: FYI; folks since the time of Christ have been gaming prophecy and you’re just one more.

                I’m truly not quite sure what ‘gaming’ means, but I’ll assume this route of your intent and say: I’ll help you out a bit here – a good deal of people truly thought WWI was going to be the battle of Armageddon…. Yep, they were wrong. Why? Simple. Israel had not yet been reborn as a nation. Ez. Ch 37. To reiterate, that was ‘the’ key cornerstone prophecy that had to be fulfilled before anything else of prophetic relevance could really come into full play.

                Lost In The C.R.C:

                I’ll first refer you back to my second paragraph.

                As far as ‘being manipulated’ goes… I don’t think that word applicable – I think you’re actually looking for the term: ‘choosing sides’. Just as Christians (myself included) have made a choice of whom we stand with, the rest of the world has made the decision (for now… it’s never too late to change the mind… until you’re dead – of course) of who they stand with. Obviously, the two sides are not real compatable with each other… yea, one side kicked the other side out of Heaven a long time ago…

                Those ‘spiritual leaders’ you’re referring to – yea, most of gutless and greedy… I tend to think the majority of them are actually men ‘of the world’ who simply saw an arena of vocation in which to make their ‘earthly fortunes’… well, we all know what’s going to happen to them…

                Turn the other cheek? Not this ol’boy… I’ll refer you to Luke 22:36, and 1 Timothy 5:8.
                That’s just for starters…

                RICH99:

                Yea, I know what you mean about all the date setting… actually, there’s nothing wrong with ‘date setting’ if you truly stay with the context of the writings of the prophets… for example, the ‘Magi’ who came to Herod (Matthew 2) obviously got it right in their understanding of the timing of the (first) coming of the Messiah.

                For all of those who get it wrong, simply look at it this way – in all their zeal and jumping the gun, they’re simply anxious (in a good way) to be with the one they call ‘LORD’. I would not call that ‘insanity’.

                John Q. Public: Interesting view of Hagee… I think you’re a bit off, but interesting…

                WHoWuddaThunkIt: All my previous comments should suffice for your input…

                John Q. Public: “Faith is an undeserved gift from God”… I have to admit, you caught me off guard on this one… you’re actually correct – 1 Corinthians 12:9. The definition is found at Hebrews 11:1.

                C’mon now…: You’re dead on… absolutely correct…

                John Q. Public: Concerning your comments about Easter and Christmas… we appear to be in agreement here…

                Lost In The C.R.C: You and King Solomon would be in agreement: “there is nothing new under the sun…” Ecclesiastes 1:9

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            • slingshot says:

              Salvation is what you are looking for when you are getting your ass beat.

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            • Lost In The C.R.C says:

              Finally! Somone else who is truly awake! The undeniable fact religion cannot hide from is more lives have been lost to, and ruined from, the pursuit of it than land, freedom, women, food and science combined.

              I find it humorous that most individuals who claim religion as a state of mind they “chose” fail to see how manipulated they are. It is such a ruse so cleverly cast onto those without physical wealth by those who have wealth. We are told by “Spiritual Leaders” we must work hard and be productive to enter God’s kingdom. Who are we benifiting by working hard as an employee? When times get tight, who’s paycheck gets cut? We need to take the ruling elite to task, but that won’t happen while we are “Turning the other cheek” red thumbs be damned, that is the truth….

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              • John Q. Public says:

                What complete rubbish!

                Atheistic Communism killed about 150 million people (USSR and PRC), more killed in one century by the irreligious than killed by religion since the beginning of time.

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          • RICH99 says:

            You people with your wacky biblical dates ….how many…….HOW MANY dates have to come and go before you STOP your insanity?

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Hagee is a prostitute for the Synagogue of Satan—period.

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          • C'mon now... says:

            Easter is a pagan fertility festival based on the spring equinox! What do you think the rabbit and eggs are for?

            Christmas is also a pagan mockery of Jesus and is in honor of the SUN god, not the Son of God. You just keep listening Mr. Hagee instead of God’s Word, great idea…

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            • John Q. Public says:

              Easter is the common name given to the Feast of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is timed each year based upon the New Testament’s history of His Passion, Crucifixion, and Resurrection and changes depending on which calendar is used.

              Christmas is the common name given to the Feast of the Nativity of Jesus Christ. You can find an explanation of the chosen date here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

              Since the pagans too had numerous feasts, do not trouble yourself over coincidence or over efforts to replace evil with good.

              The enemies of Jesus Christ have many excuses and use many lies to disparage Him, His Church, and His People.

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              • Lost In The C.R.C says:

                The pagan religions pre date christianity by 100′s and in some cases 1000′s of years. (Depending on the people of topical interest.) So whom in coincidence with whom? Of particular interest to me is about the same time groups larger than tribes started to settle permanently on a given llocation, and food, livestock, and creature comforts were horded (wealth) we have christianity take hold in pockets of civilization and proliferated by those with more wealth. Shorty thereafter, money changers (banks) get into the mix and Rome falls less than 40 years later. Love how everything old becomes new again…

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  If you are interested in a historical and theological perspective of usury, I recommend these:

                  Usury in Christendom: The Mortal Sin that Was and Now is Not by Michael Hoffman ISBN 9780970378491

                  The Church and the Usurers: Unprofitable Lending for the Modern Economy by Brian M. McCall ISBN 9781932589641

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          • Anonymous says:

            Talking about Hagee and Lindsey…they wrote books for a reason and it wasn’t for the church coffers.

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        • OutWest says:

          Don’t forget Preparation H.
          We’re about to get our asses
          reamed.

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          • Be informed says:

            The next picture I want to see displayed on any start to a video or an article should be a blown up picture of a can of food, a pack of toilet paper, a case of water, some firearms and ammo, and other survival items. I understand that precious metals are of value, but it sure seems like it is going to be so God Awful that only the immediate needs of survival are going to be the universal NEW MONEY.

            This whole build up of the immenient collapse reminds me of the pressure build up of a super volcano that one days just lets loose and can’t be contained any longer. A more down to Earth analogy and a really funny cartoon would be BO inflating a car’s tire, with the words US Economy on the tire, with an air hose and smiling like the true idiot that he is with a caption, “Just a little more air should do it”, then the next panel of the cartoon shows BO on his back with his legs up in the air with that same stupid sh%^ all smile laughing after the tire exploded and blew part of car frame apart and the caption, “Well, just a bit too much”. Anyone out there an artist that could draw this? That would be a classic cartoon that would get into many newspapers around the country.

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            • Survival Skvez says:

              More literally a car that has had three of the four wheels stollen or sold to China and BO is trying to put four times the air in the last tire to balance it out.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “Don’t forget Preparation H.”

            Actually, a rhoid sufferer could use a little reaming to open the chute a bit. Better than Prep H, however, would be petroleum jelly. It’s literally a first aid kit in a jar. ;-)

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          • Shootit says:

            Speak for yourself. I plan on a little Preparation. :)

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          • DocLRRP says:

            :-)

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        • Paranoid says:

          I’m learning origami,(Paper folding) should be a great job after the end.

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      • Gods Creation says:

        There is essentially no other kind. Everything else you may accumulate will be worthless with a broken spirit.

        Even the BB guns, which is a GREAT idea and everyone should have one or more.

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      • Rodster says:

        And the scary part is it goes deeper than just the US. How about applying all of the above to every economy on the planet, including China. Now that would make a great trick or treat.

        China is tied to the Fed and can’t get out fast enough even factoring all of their Gold hoarding. When this shit takes off and the US crashes there is going to be some major blowback worldwide. It’s why you hear China say we need a De-Americanized world.

        Time is not on their side and they know it.

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        • European American says:

          There is a silver lining to all of this.

          Finally, Denial will no longer be an excuse used to hide from the Truth.

          Obamacare is the proverbial “wake-up” call. It hits “everybody” where it hurts and the masses are FINALLY seeing the lies underlying this Con Job.

          Yes, we are presently on a trajectory for total economic meltdown followed by social havoc and mayhem, but at least and at last, finally, there will be no opportunity to hide from reality, by anyone! Ultimately, and it may leave the majority gnashing their teeth, the illusory world that so many thought was real, will crash on the rocks of Truth! It’s going to be a spectacle that I wouldn’t miss for the world.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          The Chinese are wise, they are not just hoarding gold, they intend to have the only gold backed currency and the renminbi will become the reserve currency. The dollar will be worthless.

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          • ready down under says:

            Once the Chinese have accumulated enough gold they wont give a stuff about their holding of US debt, they’ll use the US$ to buy more of the US (like they are buying into our country too) – their objective to control the worlds money will have been achieved.

            Aussie

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            • Kevin2 says:

              All the gold on the planet X 10 wouldn’t cover the debt let alone the derivatives.

              Its a big shit sandwich and everyone is taking a bite. Granted some plates will be more full than others.

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              • Rodster says:

                Bravo, that’s exactly the point. People quickly forget that when things go into meltdown mode that ugly $1.6 quadrillion headed global derivatives bubble that keeps growing will rise from the ashes.

                China wants to move away from the dollar and replace it with its backed gold currency. That takes time and if the economies of the world begin to unwind they won’t have enough time to make the switch.

                China is also debasing their currency and as Gerard Celente likes to say: ‘they are all doing it, the whole game is rigged around the world by a bunch of gangs who are running things’.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            The Chinese economy is shackled (I use the term advisedly) to their slave-made exports.

            When their foreign markets cannot afford Chinese slave exports, China too will crash.

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            • Rodster says:

              They are desperately trying to make the switch and they could pull it off if they had the reserve currency but they neither have the gold required nor the time before the system implodes.

              They could be hedging their bets, post collapse.

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          • GrandpaSpeaks says:

            Not that wise Kula. Rothschilds red shield has set up shop in china. “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild. His descendents are the present owners of the BIS, the central banks central bank. I won’t live long enough but it ought to be a goodun, the red shield vs the red crane. By then the Eagle will be long dead anyway so maybe the Chinese can stop that red shield run that has been going on since the Napoleanic wars. Follow the rats as well as the money. Destroyed countries make their path easy to follow. That path leads here now, almost done with the west, they are clearing brush in the east for a yellow brick road. You are correct but greed always causes blindness. But red shields offer protection from that as long as too much light isn’t shed on it. We need to illuminate the shield. Brightly.

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      • AnAngryJew says:

        As long as that spirit is God, you will be in my prayers.

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        • An Angry Jew: go to U-tube, and find
          the movie “Escape From Sobibor” ,
          Then check back in….

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          AnAngryJew:

          In a post further on down this blog you state “Jesus is NOT REAL”.

          In this post you state “As long as a spirit is God, you are in my prayers”.

          Please explain who you are talking about when you say God. Who is your God if Jesus is not real?

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          • Mickey Smacker says:

            Jews don’t believe in the son of God…only God.

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            • John Q. Public says:

              The synagogue believes in many gods.

              See the Oral Torah, including the Zohar and Sefer Yetzirah, in the lineage of Egyptian and Babylonian black magic that spawned idolatry of the Golden Calf, even to the Israelites worshipping, fornicating with, and sacrificing their children to the demon Moloch (Leviticus 20:3-5, 3 Kings 11:5-33, et al.). No less than in the days of the Israelites (1 Kings 8:8; Malachias 2:8-12), contemporary Judaism retains worship of pagan “strange gods”: Birkat ha-Hammah sun worship (link to follow) (persists even though Ezechiel 8:16-17 specifically damns it as an abomination in the eyes of God):

              “The religion of the god Baal was widely accepted among the ancient Jews, and although it was put down at times, it was never permanently stamped out. Kings and other royalty of the ten Biblical tribes worshiped the god. The ordinary people ardently worshiped this sun god too because their prosperity depended on the productivity of their crops and livestock. The god’s images were erected on many buildings. Within the religion there appeared to be numerous priests and various classes of devotees. During the ceremonies they wore appropriate robes. The ceremonies included burning incense, and offering burnt sacrifices, occasionally consisting of human victims. The officiating priests danced around the altars, chanting frantically and cutting themselves with knives to inspire the attention and compassion of the god.” Entry for “Baal,” (link to follow)

              moon worship (kiddush levanah)

              polytheism (the worship of the goddess Shekinah)

              reincarnation (gilgul neshamot, gilgul neshamah)

              A bit more on pagan polytheistic Judaism—the rabbis’ magic skulls:

              “There are two kinds of necromancy: the one where the dead is raised by naming him, the other where he is invoked by means of a skull.” —The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 65b

              (links to follow)

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            • John Q. Public says:

              See also: The Encyclopedia of Jewish Myth, Magic and Mysticism by Rabbi Geoffrey W. Dennis, ISBN-13: 978-0738709055

              http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Jewish-Myth-Magic-Mysticism/dp/0738709050

              the rabbis’ magic skulls:

              http://www.sott.net/articles/show/181975-Rare-Magic-Inscription-on-Human-Skull

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            • John Q. Public says:

              Read what the rabbis write for themselves and you will see that their public relations cover story is largely lies.

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              • Pissed Off Granny says:

                John Q. Public:

                Thanks for the education and the links. I ask a legitimate question of AnAngryJew and as usual, got no answer from him.

                Mickey Smacker replied “that Jews do not believe in the Son of God… only God”. Now I don’t know if Mickey speaks for the Jews; but if they do not believe in the Son of God, Jesus, then they do not believe in my God; as Jesus said “I and my Father are One, if you have seen Me you have seen the Father”.

                Once again I don’t care what anyone on this blog believes, it is not my judgement call. But to believe that the Jews are God’s Chosen when they do not believe in Jesus, goes against everything Jesus teaches. The people in the Bible called Israelites have nothing to do with the jews in the stolen state of Israel. God gave Israel a new name……CHRISTians!

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                • California Girl says:

                  Billions of people on the planet don’t believe in Jesus, but that doesn’t make them atheists.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  You are so correct, Granny!

                  axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
                  cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
                  condemned Mark 16:16
                  cut down Matthew 3:10
                  in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
                  judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
                  shall be broken Matthew 21:44
                  shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
                  the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
                  woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
                  wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
                  your house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
                  you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

                  What part of all that don’t the Judaizers understand?

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              • Them Guys says:

                John Q Public: You Forgot to mention how Jews are also Self Chozen/Self Worshiper Master Race-ers, as well as MONEY Worshipers to the Max! Rabbis Talmud probobly calls those twin worships their “Janus” God aka a Two Headed Roman Pagan god belief.

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      • Lightknight says:

        I am concerned that even with all of our prepping it won’t matter because of nuclear power plants. Look at Fukushima and magnify that by hundreds. If there was a solar flare, asteroid hit, economic collapse, EMP etc…
        What will happen to those nuclear power plants?

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        • howdy --doody says:

          In reality, it’s actually a “name your poison” kind of situation we are in. We can die a slow death from the actions of our slave masters, or be killed in an instant by a vengeful mother nature. Mother nature may take a little longer, but she is a vengeful mistress, and expert at complete payback.

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          • Man on th inside says:

            I used to date Mother Nature…. she can be real mean……..

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              Having spent all of my live outside in one way or another…she wins every time.

              Some times she shows you mercy…if not, you are dead.

              Mercy should be understood as a lesson that she let you live…use a lesson like that wisely.

              Pretty simple.

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              • Them Guys says:

                There is NO real “Mother Nature” as in an entity with the ability to Think and Act. Storm Clouds, snow, hurricanes, earthquakes, the “Planet itself” dirt air water etc etc, NONE have any thinking or action ability like Humans does.

                So in reality Nature only does either whatever God created and Planed for it to do, or does certain things when God decides to Use a storm or quake etc to punish various nations for wrongs or failure to obey God.

                The entire world and universe didnt just happen my some accidnt like Darwin fools promote. Or a series of accidnts like Darwinian believers promotes man came to evolve etc. Hogwash Bunkola. Everything that exists was created by the creator God.

                Last Darwin scientist I recall seeing on a TV show a year or so ago, said He believes earths oceans and fresh waters all were derived by Mars rocks or meteorites falling to earth and EACH Mars rock had a SINGLE Tiny Drop of water that got deposited on earth untill so many mars rocks delivered enough water overall to fill every sea-ocean-fresh water reserves planet wide!

                So wheres the massive piles of mars rocks that crash landed each with a single water drop? Where did Mars rocks obtain water from?…Why didnt that drop water turn to steam and evaporate due to metorites travels at 50,000 MPH and BURN up on entry to atmosphere of earth?

                Just more darwin atheistic mambo jambo from folks refuseing to believe in God so they must invent an alternative to how and where it all came from.

                Bible calls em all FOOLS and I agree 100%.

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          • Nimrod Hunter says:

            When we were in elementary school, the dilemma was “Would you rather be whacked in the nuts with a Louisville Slugger, or slide down a razor blade into a cool bath of alcohol?”
            Out of the mouths of babes.

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        • AZ PREPPER says:

          GAME OVER

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        • Mickey Smacker says:

          Right on brother! Look at a map of the U.S. and see if you are close to a nuke plant. If so, plan on moving upstream of it. Don’t forget to look at Canada as well for their nuke plants. Most nuke plants are next to major rivers for cooling water or take water from a lake such as Lake Michigan. Once the power is off the cooling systems will shutdown & the nuke plants will melt down. The fuel pools will lose cooling water flow and the fuel pool will heat to boiling and eventually all the water in the fuel pool will boil off as steam. The building the fuel pool is in is NOT a pressure boundary. It’s a big hangar around the fuel pool that can be punctured easily by a Tornado, hurricane or other high winds or by any object hitting it such as a small plane or small arms fire. I should know, I’ve been in the nuke power industry since 1978. It ain’t pretty out there folks.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          Dahlink! Where DID you get that STUNNING tinfoil hat?

          Think Chernobyl. Did the world end? Nope. The area around it is teeming with wildlife, in fact. And the few people who refused to leave have a normal death rate.

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          • lonelonemum says:

            My ex MIl has no thyroid function, has had her womb removed and cancer. I don’t expect her to survive much longer, yet she comes from a v.long lived geneology. My own DS has multiple disabilities – his Dad’s home town is 70 miles down wind of Chernobyl. Sadly his disabilities are ones common to that region in his generation, despite the fact he was conceived and born overseas.It’s a town where people die young. You don’t hear of the long term damage on the MSM.

            Over the years I’ve come to associate Chernobyl with the most noble hercleun efforts of a few. We also don’t hear in the MSM of the lengths some individuals have gone to, and continue in order to protect humanity. Many have already lost their lives, and many more will do so in the coming years, yet they go unthanked by the rest of us.

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      • Man on th inside says:

        2015 china will overtake the U.S as the number one economy. They have trade agreements with Russia, India, Iraq, Iran, Brazil, now Egypt, soon Saudi Arabia, and most of the important parts of Africa. The western world is horribly in debt, under educated, entitled, and now hated. If you combine Russia’s and China’s military and they go toe to toe with us we would take some REAL pain. Our stuff is still better but they are gaining rapidly in tech and size when they work together which they will. Kings of the east and Gog and Magog…… coming to a theater near you…… (hope it is in Dolby ATMOS and 3D). PRAY (alot), PREP, PLAN, FORM TEAMS. 15-18 months…. It is not going to be much fun….. you WILL have to make some hard decisions…

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        • Anon7 says:

          Man on the Inside: Kings of the East, so what will they do, if anything?

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        • Mickey Smacker says:

          Good information brother. Also, obama and his cronies have been reducing the U.S. military capability over the past five years. Many ships and planes are out dated and falling apart. Weapons systems are out dated and antique compared to what other countries now have. Anyone know of the super missile system the Chinese have that is designed to destroy an aircraft carrier with one missile hit? It exists and has been tested. It launches into the edge of space and drops straight down on a target moving so fast it cannot be stopped. It will destroy aircraft carriers with one hit. When the global war starts China will be the victor unless nuke weapons are used. Remember obama has been reducing the nuke weapons of the U.S. over the past five years and his goal is NO nuke weapons at all. Once the U.S. has no nukes to protect it the U.S. will be forcibly taken by a foreign power.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          No chance of that. China is still only 1/3 the size of the US economy.

          Making plans based on faulty data will get you killed – or worse.

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          • Man on the inside says:

            I have been to China and lived in Hong Kong and you are VERY wrong… and in 2015 they become the new economic power house with no debt.

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        • Anonymous says:

          With the exception of Saudi Arabia, every single one of the countries you listed is a pathetic, pitiful, basket case Third World society. So just how does China’s trade agreements with a bunch of backward, undeveloped societies threaten US??

          You ever been to one of these Third World pits? If you had, you would know that they are no threat to us economically.

          As for China, you are giving them far, far too much credit. They are no where nearly as omnipotent as you make them out to be. WE have the most gold in the world, and it will take China many years to catch up, IF they even can. China has tremendous, huge, societal stability problems brewing because of their biggest weakness — too many people and too few resources to support their overstuffed population. Communist Chinese, in addition, have no character, are wildly and fundamentally superstitious, are pagans, are dirty people in their living habits, are dishonest, and have what they have currently only because of two things: either they stole it and reverse-engineered it, or, it was given to them by foolish businessmen who didn’t recognize at the time that they were being taken.

          Stop painting China as some monolith. It is anything but. Those who promote it as such are simply Chinese Comunist propagandists, either wittingly or unwittingly.

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          • Tactical says:

            With the exception of Saudi Arabia? Saudis are the barbarians at the gate. Their faith and promotion of man eating monsters under a savage sect named “Vahabism” puts them as #1 as far as filth on planet earth.

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          • The Old Coach says:

            One feature of China and Chinese history that most people don’t know is that the “China” we see today is a heterogeneous unit slammed together out of several ethnicities who don’t like each other very much. In the 19th century it was essentially feudal. Sun Yat Sen couldn’t unite it, nor could ChiangKai-Shek. Only the appalling brute force applied by Mao managed it, and as their economy improves the centripetal forces will reassert themselves. Like Yugoslavia, I think it will explode if conditions fall right. The Russians would of course like to encourage that….. Lots of resources for the taking if the Chinese are out of the way.

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          • ready down under says:

            China is almost certain to abandon the “one child” policy in 2014 as part of the platform of their new leader. That means in about 20 years they will have a staggering number young fit people to do what?? Either be more cheap labor to produce stuff to export to the West so they can accumulate more of the worlds gold and money OR to be troops.

            Never underestimate the Chinese – they are a supremely patient people. Whereas most of the West plans no further ahead than their next new car, the Chinese plan generations ahead. And they can do so due to their political system – dont have pesky elections every 3-4 years to get in the way.

            Aussie

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          • Man on the inside says:

            It is called raw materials…. and those countries are not as backward as you think…. I know and those of us who have traveled the word (as I have) know… watch your pride… it will bite you…. China has the fastest train, longest bridge, largest dam, Dubai has the tallest building, and so on… we have become the laughing stalk of the world and we have squandered what we have been blessed with… we are now 23 out of 23 industrialized nations for math…. what a joke… tens of millions on welfare…. wake up….. I could go on for days on how far we have fallen….

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        • Tactical says:

          Man On The Inside: All I can say is : GOG HELP US ALL”. We suffered and suffering from corrupt capitalism ( real capitalism was good). now imagine to mix it with the savagery os Islam, lies and crimes of Zionists and on top of that Maoism of China. We may think FEMA camps were Hotel California and pure luxury in the future.

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      • MagenD says:

        EXACTLY!!!
        You can’t eat gold!!!

        Ezekiel 7:19
        “‘They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will be treated as a thing unclean. Their silver and gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath. It will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs, for it has caused them to stumble into sin.

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    2. SilverSax says:

      A good prep is a good-quality BB or pellet rifle. You can buy massive amounts of ammo cheap!

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      • wormdirt says:

        Right on, SilverSax. Been eyeballing one of those Gamo Whispers. Take small game pretty quietly.

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        • Wormdirt,

          I picked up the Gamo BigCat last yr and love it, don’t waste your money on the Whisper. The suppresser doesn’t work. And they both shoot at the same FPS, with the lead pellets I’m hitting 1130 FPS and with the alloy 1260 FPS.
          Just passing that on brother..

          CATIYMF- NOMI
          DPS

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          • wormdirt says:

            Thanks for the heads-up, DPS, I will definitely check that out.

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            • RickInOregon says:

              I recently bought a Gamo Show Stopper in .177. The scope that came with it had problems with staying sighted in and would wonder off a little after every shot. I switched it out for a Bushnell. Due to the higher velocity of the pellet rifle I had to go through a few brands, shapes and weights of pellets to find something that would group. I ended up with the Gamo Rocket in 9.6 grains. It holds a tight enough group that I can kill the rats, raccoons and possums that come to visit my chicken coop. And no, I don’t eat the rodents…….yet.

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              • MXLord327 says:

                I have a Gamo .177, and I knew the cheap scopes would not stay sighted in. I bought a special mount for it and a $50 Tasco rifle scope, and I still can’t keep it sighted in. I have read that air rifles have a “double recoil” and that some of the force is forward. Standard rifle scopes only have their optics staked for rearward recoil. I wish I had known that before I bought the scope!!!

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              • lastmanstanding says:

                Possums and Raccoons are very fatty…coons can be a bit fishy if lots of creeks nearby.

                Somehow I don’t think fishy would bother you a bit…

                lms.

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          • eeder says:

            I like my Benjamin .22 air rifle. It does the job for small game for sure. great for target practise too.

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          • Blankone says:

            DPS,

            Do you have the BigCat .22 or the BigCat 1250 .177 cal ??

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            • Blankone,

              I got the .177 cal Gamo that way in a pinch I can shoot BB’s also. Some have said the cheap scope that comes with it won’t stay zeroed but after lock tighting the threads on the mounts I have have not hard any problems with it.

              NOMI
              DPS

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      • Yuri says:

        For what purpose? The biggest thing you could kill is a squirrel.

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        • Yuri,

          I got my limit on dove sitting in the back yard opening day with my pellet gun, shot a few rabbits with it last winter also. And them squirrels sure eat good. And it cost me less then $3.00 bucks and I still got ammo for this winter..

          DPS

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          • John W. says:

            The Lewis and Clark expedition had an air rifle that could kill bear. little known factoid.

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            • The Old Coach says:

              It is still in existence, too. But it was a whole lot bigger than .177 bore. And they didn’t seriously hunt with it. It was mainly used to wow the aborigines they met. That said, there’s some powerful air rifles beign made today. The waiting lists are very long. I’m still gonna use powder, though. Air rifles are finicky, and repairs require precision that may well not be possible once TSHTF.

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        • Norse Prepper says:

          Yuri,

          I have killed many a rabbit with a pellet gun. Actually has a scope on it. Headshot from 30 feet away they don’t get a step.

          God Bless,
          NP

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        • SilverSax says:

          Yuri, surely you have more imagination than that! BB/pellet rifles are good for not just squirrels, but rabbits, fowl, even small pets.
          Unless you’d rather starve than eat a blue jay or a cat.
          Your choice.

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        • Mickey Smacker says:

          that is the entire point.

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      • AZClimber says:

        Another good score are the bulk slingshot ball bearings. Cheap grab at wallyworld.

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    3. MasterDak says:

      This country is going to collapse soon…it’s going to be hella messy.

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      • durango kidd says:

        2015. Keep Prepping! :-(

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      • AnAngryJew says:

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        • Kindle says:

          I read an article a while back that was showing a bunch of little kids praying to Obama, as though he were God.

          Now I get it, to some he is, “ask and he will provide.” But be sure and vote Democtat, those nasty Repubs are satan in disguise….Sarcasim off.

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          • Kindle says:

            sarcasm…I can spel…realy I can.

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            • 41MagMan says:

              Lol, Kindle. It was the thought that counted. Only the spelling Nazis care about spelling as long as the word can be sounded out. But turn the sarcasm back on, man, you were on a roll! :-)

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          • howdy --doody says:

            get over the politics thing. behind closed doors, you can call them by one name—republicrats. That’s why nothing ever changes. They all take orders from the same people. The arguing that goes on in public, is for show. No matter who is running the show, do you ever see anything get better? Have your rights been defended by either party? Give the public “bread and circus”–not so much bread now though. The destruction of the middle class is proceeding along nicely as planned. Soon enough, people will be so broke and hungry, they will agree to anything. That’s the plan.

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        • Archangel says:

          Disagree completely with everything except the very last line in your statement.

          Yes…we should trust in God, but even Jesus condoned putting back to prepare for uncertain times.

          The Bible and the Torah is full of “Prepper” Stories…Afterall…what about the story of Noah ?

          He was warned by God that a storm was coming and he prepared.

          On the line of thinking….
          Why have a savings account?
          Why Save for Retirement?
          Why have life insurance?
          Why have ANY type of insurance?

          The Anti-dote of being scared is being prepared.

          There is great solitude in being prepared, self-sufficient and having useful skill sets

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        • John W. says:

          There have been many collapses. Don’t know much do you?

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        • Agent Provocateur says:

          Yea, Praise the Lord…and pass the ammo!

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        • Lake Monster says:

          God helps those who help themselves.

          Prepping is not a waste of time. When my husband was suddenly laid off for two weeks, I didn’t have to run to the food stamp office and apply. I turned to my cabinet where I have all of my food. It’s called being responsible.

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        • Mickey Smacker says:

          I’ve been a prepper for about 15 years. I lived through four hurricanes in six weeks in 2005 in Florida. We were without power for a few days for couple of the hurricanes and a week for the others except for my house. I had a generator and had stockpiled food and water. I got to sit in my garage with the garage door open in my lawn chair with a beer in one hand and a hot meal in the other watching my neighbors watch me. My AR15 kept everyone happy, especially me.

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        • Hunter says:

          Angry Jew-

          You said: “they miss out on so much life has to offer, because of paranoia & worry”…

          Focusing on “Paranoia & Worry”, I’d say:

          How true!
          Especially among those poor Arab kids, who’re routinely murdered by the IDF, then end up having their organs harvested in an israeli hospital, for the benefit of the well-heeled chosen, on a near daily basis.

          True again!
          For all those cute, very young teenage gentile girls from Russia/Eastern Europe, who’re kidnapped, smuggled across borders & sold into the israeli sex-trade industry, as mere cum-dumpsters for the pleasure of the Orthodox rabbinical perverts, in your tribe’s homeland.

          Ditto!
          For all the gentile investors over the past decades who’ve been swindled out of a future retirement, due to your tribe’s all consuming greed. Remember Mark Rich, Michael Milkin, Allen Greenspahn & an enormous host of similar cretins?

          Yes again!
          Paranoia & worry is a slow coming darkness, spreading across this nation, as more & more parents/siblings/wives/grandparents wake-up to the possibility or factual occurrence, that their loved ones are needlessly dying/suffering hideous wounds, in wars designed for the advancement of a race/nation of parasites and their agenda & for their financial profit. Y’all play both sides, you know!

          Yeah, I could continue for ‘ad infinitum’, but most know the score already. That said:
          I NOTICED, you have failed to answer “PISSED-OFF GRANNY’S” hardball question!
          That being, which GOD do you worship? Which one are you referencing?

          ..the Talmud’s embracing of a ‘singular GOD’ (satan) or the Christian GOD(one in three) they being, GOD the Father, GOD the Son & GOD the Holy Spirit!
          Time to come clean AJ. Inquiring minds want to know!

          In the end, should your allegiance rest w/ the former, know this:
          One day your tribe will run out of real estate and places to hide. As one by one, across this planet, real humans will reject you & the wickedness your tribe perpetrates!

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            Hunter:

            Thanks for your factual post. The Lord says there will be an awakening in the end times; more and more people are becoming aware that their preachers have led them down a false path.

            What a sad thing to have CHRISTians NOT know who they are and to whom the promises were made.

            You need only to study all the promises and gifts the Lord gave to his Chosen to know that the stolen state of Israel does not measure up to any of them.

            Our Lord tells us what is going to happen to those preachers that have spread the lies, there is a fire pit waiting for them when judgement day comes.

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            • Them Guys says:

              Wow Granny! Imagiane the sparks flying when pastor Hagees humoungous Fat Ass hits the lake of Fire and all those LBS of Lard ass Fat hits them Flames begins to sizzle!

              Gonna take one massive huge size angel or christian man to lift his Bulk and toss hinm in eh! kerSplash!

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    4. Jim (Another Jim) says:

      I agree, it could happen very quickly. The main factor is how long they can sell the illusion of everything being ok to the sheeple. Once the sheeple start getting scared, it will go downhill quickly. All we can do is prepare. As Mad Eye Moody puts it, CONSTANT VIGILIANCE.

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      • RICH99 says:

        I personally think this will go on for many more years ……first because they haven’t gotten rid of the 2nd yet and that is a crucial agenda I.e. all the shootings in such a short time frame

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        • Archangel says:

          Disagree about the comment on the 2nd. While what you say is logical, I see Obama doing an end run around on the second. He has sent in his EPA goons to shut down the only remaining lead smelting plant in the USA. Next on his agenda is to control imports of lead…he can control WHO gets lead and who doesn’t and the amount. This will make ammo unaffordable for most people. The other thing that could happen is a staged event and declaration of martial law. Goodbye Constitutional rights…and then the door-kicking begins. Don’t need to do away with the 2nd in order to accomplish the same result with either above scenario

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          • RICH99 says:

            If I’m wrong then why continue with all the phony shootings with ANOTHER one yesterday at a mall in n.j.

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          • Doubtful Dave says:

            Archangel: Like many here you’re not too good a math. The entire U.S. is the third largest is land size behind Russia and Canada and third largest in population behind China and India. The top ten countries in the world have just over 11 million active duty U.S. Law Enforcement and you’ve got 12 million people to corral the third largest nation on the planet. Not going to happen and please spare me the drone and spy satellite nonsense. Too many movies have skewed your view of reality.

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          • Backwoods Preacher says:

            That ain’t all…Obama is continuing to purge patriotic military leaders. Here’s the latest: http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/purge-surge-obama-fires-another-commander/

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          • The Old Coach says:

            Just shutting down a lead smelter is an awfully slow way of depriving us of ammo. There’s Canada and Mexico shipping in lead by the carload under NAFTA. Bullet makers say the don’t use virgin lead anyway, they use lead from recycling plants. There’s thousands of tons of wheelweights around, not to mention scrapped X-ray shielding. We bullet casters still find lead pipe and flashing from time to time. Sailboat keels can yield up to a ton of lead, although of indifferent quality. We mine the berms of shooting ranges to recycle our own lead. Even if all imports were shut down, it’ll be many years before we don’t have any ammo.

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        • Archangel says:

          The time will be LATE 2014 or early 2015. It will happen before Obama is thru with his second term

          Listen to Lindsay Williams. (find him on youtube) and you will see why. One thing that is true about the NWO and the powers that be….They ALWAYS telegraph what they are going to do, before they do it.

          That said…we all have about one year to fully prepare…

          You will need to have in place:

          a sustainable water plan
          a sustainable food plan
          a sustainable heat plan
          a shelter plan,
          and a way to protect yourself, your family and your above preps.

          You may also want to have a way to generate electricity (outside of the realm of using gas, diesel, or propane)

          As well as a means of transportation without these fuels

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “The time will be LATE 2014 or early 2015. It will happen before Obama is thru with his second term”

            Interesting. My time line is a bit sooner… April 2014 through July 2015. No data to support this. This is the gut talking. I have learned to pay attention to the gut. It is seldom wrong because the gut knows that it will get hungry when the SHTF. It does not like being hungry. It likes being well stuffed. :-)

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            • RICH99 says:

              No , the really interesting thing is that it ALWAYS seems to be another year or 2 away ….don’t believe me , look back !
              You should consider changing your name to MADMAN

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            • Anonymous says:

              Same gut feeling here. Its never been wrong in 50 years. What’s sad is though I knew in my gut obsma was a pos in 2007, I just awoke to the whole elitist thing recently and am only now starting to prep. I’m late in the game and I feel I don’t have much time.

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          • Man on th inside says:

            Been sayin this for a year now here on this site and I love the folks who pound me for this… we got 18 moths at best before it turns real ugly…. Even Billy Grahm is saying that the end is real near for this country and the world…. Please get busy… for your families sake….

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          • PO'd Patriot says:

            Lindsey Graham…Holy gee jumpin’ Jesus palomino!! Last time I listened to him I woke up after the vid covered in cobwebs. Watching his vids is like watching paint dry and grass grow. His teeth also keep slipping down. Just sayin’. Anyway I think most here are able to see the “end draweth nigh”. Most here are pretty much in decent shape. You’re not going to have everything you need however and barter will come into play. THNIC still has plenty of cards left to play before we get “there”. There’s still a lot of loose ends to be dealt with, like the dollar and the pesky 2cd amendment. As far as ammo goes, when the lead start flying and I’m still on my feet, I plan on taking their ammo, kit, and scalps(if their hair is long enough). I kinda lean a little to Rich99′s thoughts that its still going to be a little while yet before the red balloon goes up. These public shootings in the last couple of days will lead to a continued erosion of rights. Don’t rest on your laurels folks, just when you think you got it right…..your wrong!

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        • howdy --doody says:

          They have actually gotten rid of the 2nd. it’s called NDAA, and Patriot act. They just haven’t picked the moment yet to enforce these laws. But they will soon enough.

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          • Doubtful Dave says:

            howdy –doody: Yeah, and we saw just how ‘effective’ these SWAP types were in Massachusetts going door-to-door; 1000 guys couldn’t find one injured teenager. If you’re still worried, you haven’t been paying attention to the real world.

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        • John W. says:

          The wise guys are making billions off the QE. This farce will run until they have stolen every dime possible. Long before that the middle class will be broken.

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        • Mickey Smacker says:

          Even if somehow the corrupt & criminal gov’t got “rid” of the 2nd amendment it doesn’t get rid of our rights to self defense. The Bill of Rights are unalienable and cannot be removed because “they” want to remove it. So when the 2nd Amendment is removed from the Bill of Rights the war in the U.S. will start. Who is going to go door to door to take the guns? It will definitely start a war and perhaps obama is counting on that?!

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    5. Eisenkreuz says:

      Just saw an excellent SHTF movie called Aftershock.

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      • Liberty says:

        Which one?

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        • Eisenkreuz says:

          Eli Roth

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          • Liberty says:

            Didn’t like it!

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            • Eisenkreuz says:

              Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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              • Paranoid says:

                I see; you have a right to an opinion, but others don’t have the right to disagree with you, odd, never been a dictator so bad you were not allowed to agree with him. PS: Stuff it.

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              • braveheart says:

                Eisenturd, who the f#$% are you calling an idiot? When I come on here, I make useful contributions to the discussions here and I even offer prep advice on occasion on certain subjects. I even welcome the newcomers who come along and are curious about how to prep. I try to help them as best I can. all I’ve ever seen you do is come on here and try to stink up the site. you’re always running down the good people here for no good reason. You’re just another troll, albeit one with a German name, so go f#$% off, schweinhund!

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              • Canadian Vet says:

                Any insult from Eisen should be taken almost as a compliment. If you disagree with him and he faults your intellect for it, odds are you are on the right track. Granted, no one really enjoys being on the receiving end of abuse from a moron like him and once in a rare while he will come up with something quasi sensical (after all even a broken clock is right twice a day) but any rules needs the odd exception, right?

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                • braveheart says:

                  Canadian Vet, thank you for those kind words. I don’t feel damaged or destroyed by his remarks. I know I have a higher IQ than he does. I know my own capabilities and limits. I can and do still walk tall. I just get tired of his unjustified attacks on our people like he does. I confess I do enjoy pouncing on the trolls. I’ve got to have some fun on occasion. braveheart

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        • barry fupducked says:

          We are on a collision course with the iceberg. Those at the helm are orchestrating this intentional take-down. This is as per orders of the puppet-masters. It is not ineptitude. This dog and pony show makes for confabulated finger-pointing distractions from the reality that YOUR lifeboat was not included in the contract. The fine print is a mutha—

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    6. Phoenix1960 says:

      I agree, I see it as a matter of months not years. The math just does not lie and I see the unraveling almost everywhere I look – be it irrational markets, sensitivity to any attempt to stop debt monetization via the Fed, Dollar debasement hitting the average consumer. Low wages, low employment, Obamascare soon to hit retail, restaurant sales and any other sector that depends on the consumer having a few dollars left over after bills.

      Quoting another poster on SHTF,

      “doesn’t matter if you hit the gas or the brake after going over the cliff”

      I think we’ve gone over the cliff and most just don’t know it yet.

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      • RICH99 says:

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        • sixpack says:

          They don’t need to disarm us anymore, they will just keep ammo out of our hands. Then all those brand new guns everybody rushed out to buy will become spendy door stops and/or clubs.

          The Second amendment will be as intact—as it will be irrelevant. I’ve said this since Obummer started signing EOs in favor of the UN Small Arms treaty.

          All they have to do is stay behind their MRAPS and kevlar until we run out of ammo.

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          • John W. says:

            They will hit in the middle of the night with ten man teams who are trained to kill. Do you really think fat, slow, stupid old guys most who have never been in combat will have a chance? Get over Red Dawn it was a movie. Real life will not be like that. What are you going to do when they use the gun ownership info to grab your kids or old lady and hold them until they get your guns. Time to start thinking people.

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            • Milo Mindbender says:

              “They” would have to do a time on target, nationwide and without letting anyone hear about it. The sheer logistics of this would be daunting, and the numbers say it would be a very bad day for the people stacking up at the door.
              The amount of weapons, and licensed hunters(snipers) available for the Freefor would be intimidating and make me belive that our law enforcement crew would not be interested in picking that fight.
              I hope leadership looks at what is arrayed against them in a passive defense, and does not force us to go active on them.

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            • The Old Coach says:

              Lessee, ten man teams, say two hits per night. That’ll be 1.5 million team-nights before they’ve even cleaned out the III Percent. Postulate that they have 10,000 teams, (fat chance). How long will it be before they’ve hit every III Percenter? Never mind all the rest of the 60 million or do households that have a gun. Do you think the news won’t get around? After a week every raid will hit heavy resistance. Drop the hits-per-night to one. Start figuring attrition among the hit teams. The remainder is left as an exercise for the student.

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              • lonelonemum says:

                nonsense – most will put down their arms in the futile & desperate hope of getting their kids/grandkids back from a FEMA camp.

                The above is why I’m home schooling. I know I’d sell my soul to save my child & don’t wanna be put in that situation.

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              • John W. says:

                They only have to make a few examples of those who resist. Most will back down out of concern for their families. As for two hits a night I would bet they could clear an average neighborhood every night especially since most will be unaware of what is happening. Places like Boston and New York are already disarmed. Are you forgetting how the Boston bombing degenerated from a search for a suspect to a war on the law abiding in their homes? I get a laugh out of the keyboard Rambos who are going to hold off trained armed assault teams who will be little more than criminals. Personally I am trying to figure out just how this will play out when and if the point of no return is reached. Good luck to all.

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              • John W. says:

                Old Couch,
                I bet you can’t even run fifty yards without having to stop. You will be passed out in your favorite chair when the tie wrap you and haul you away. Too funny.

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              • Orwellian States says:

                I figure SWAT teams will line up for a chance to strut, bully, and play GI Joe.

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            • Paranoid says:

              1. Some of us weren’t fat old guys forever, 2, In my house I don’t have to run. 3. outside, I only figure to get 1 shot. That’s plenty, if it gets that bad there will be a lot more of us. 4. Lots of good people in police and army, unlikely to even get to my door. Lastly’ I don’t figure to cause anyone any problem ; so I figure others will be higher on the list. I’ll have lots of warning if the Gov gets that stupid.

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            • Anonymous says:

              You’re full of it.

              The reality is that Obama would have been trounced into oblivion during the last election had it not been for all of the vote fraud.

              AT LEAST 65% of America despises him. He has in his corner only 98% of the blacks, which comprise only 17% of the population, 90% of Hispanics, which comprise only 13% of the population, and the rest are ultra leftists of various ethnic groups. They all are going hog wild and slop crazy for the time being because the Kenyan has the White House and the power to appoint the bureaucratic heads.

              It all will come to a screeching halt in the not too distant future because the Kenyan has simply pushed too hard to install communism. The traditional powers that be will decide when enough is enough. And that decision is not far away.

              Have faith in the traditional American values, institutions, morals, and character. Work hard, be honest, do the right thing, honor God and pray to Him. We will win this.

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            • Vicky says:

              Most vets are old, but not all are fat, and most of them are not stupid. Most of them have been in combat and still have kinetic memory to inflict some real damage. I’ll be next to my husband and trying to help.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            So, we molotov their mraps and take their ammo. Standard asymmetric warfare tactics. Remember, these are the same guys who cannot control Afghanistan and it is merely the size of Texas, not the entire USA. Think booby traps and sabotage. Yes, it will be long, painful, and bloody but the end result is not in doubt.

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            • Gregory8 says:

              41MagMan: Well you seem to have logical outlook unlike some of the more fearful on this site. Your analysis of these armored vehicles is correct and their weaknesses can be exploited. They are designed for flat urban terrain. They can’t operate in tight environments or on uneven ground very well. They, like all armored vehicles, are subject to simple ‘tank traps’ that render them useless (immobile). But their primary weakness is their single backdoor exit. Once that door is open the troops inside are as vulnerable as you and I. Thee are plenty of military manuals dealing with urban warfare and tactics against armor. If anyone here hasn’t been in the military I’d suggest you get a few of these and study them.

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          • Paranoid says:

            I’m the guy that said it doesn’t matter about the gas or the brake above. And I have to disagree with you. I’ve been watching ammo sales for several years now. I was at Camp Perry when the DCM guy said they had 28 million rds of 30-06 ammo and it would last several years. Lasted 7 months. I was at the store where I buy ammo and watched over 300K of 22 ammo sold in 5 hours. The public has an amount of ammo that is unreal, we are not going to run out, ever. Unless it is war nobody is going to shoot their last stash. Be that 50 rds or 50,000 and that’s far more than we need.

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        • SilverSax says:

          Rich99 believes that only he and those who agree with him can think.

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          • RICH99 says:

            Your wrong but your NOT thinking …..THINK …….why all the shootings all of a sudden and what’s been the agenda for years now ……THAT is their main goal right now ….believe me or not but its in your face …..a new shooting every other day now

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            • Not so Much says:

              The Supreme Court already upheld the individual right in the 2nd.

              So you’re ‘thinking’ is that they’re going just legislate a gun ban? That’s some simpleton “thinking” you got going on.

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            • SilverSax says:

              Remember, Rich99, you asked.
              “…why all the shootings…?”
              It’s because we live in the last days of this age. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 predicted it all and explained why –

              This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

              2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

              3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

              4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

              5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

              Rich99, The answer to “why?” is because Man has turned away from God and lives only to satisfy his flesh. That’s the answer.
              Hope you like it.

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            • The Old Coach says:

              It only seems to RICH99 like there’s a lot of shootings, because RICH99 can only remember the last year and a half. The droogs have done for the rest. His only connection with history is comic books.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Not over the Cliff yet. Things could continue on at this level and at this pace for many years. Another decline in the stock markets will happen but that too could be mitigated for a few years.

        Crash when it comes, a SHTF Crash, will be deliberate or caused by Earth Changes, with the associated crisis used to justify the Police State. No point in crashing the economy if you are in control it and profiting from it.

        Use the time you have wisely and get involved in the 2014 elections. An Obama victory will ensure a totalitarian state. Patriots must be elected.

        Infiltrate the retards. Raise your voice against the status quo. Participate at the local level. Become a delegate or committee member. Initiate the change you want or you will live the change that others will determine for you.

        Israel will hit Iran in 2014 if not before. War creates chaos, chaos generates unintended consequences. :-(

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        • PO'd Patriot says:

          ^+1

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        • ready down under says:

          I agree Durango – this could drag on for quite some time. Every time the world approaches the ragged edge someone prints more money. Greece should be a 3rd world basket case, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Spain et al. The thing about money is that it is no longer “worth” anything – it is simply a medium of exchange and only worth anything as people accept its face value, “trust” if you will – that if they hand over a $100 note they will get $100 worth of goods. The world is rapidly becoming awash with “money” and it will eventually reach the tipping point where that C note will no longer be trusted enough to be “worth” a hundred bucks worth of stuff.

          Then the poop will hit the prop and we will all wear some of that “stuff”. That scenario is based on a financial meltdown.

          Before that we face other world changing events. Dont discount a pandemic (worse result as disease is indiscriminate and will take out many the system will need to function), a WW3 (doesnt have to be a WW – a decent punch up in the Middle East will chuck sand in the gears too), a terrorist strike (or rogue state EMP, say N Korea or Iran), or even a massive solar flare.

          The “system” is too fragile – natural disasters demonstrate how easily it is broken at local level and how long it takes for “help” to arrive.

          When it REALLY hits the fan “they” wont be coming to help, you’ll be on your own and the only people you will really be able to rely on are just a few like minded souls you have carefully analysed well beforehand.

          Aussie

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          • The Old Coach says:

            Speaking of Greece, has anyone heard from Manos lately? From what’s in the public domain, it looks like Greece already is a third world country.

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            • John W. says:

              Even when Greece was doing well it was a backward place. Beautiful and pleasant but very poor. There has been a large communist presence there since the 1940s. Salonika is very nice, Athens is too big and crowded.

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      • howdy --doody says:

        you are so right. We are in a collapse now, and people just don’t realize it. When changes happen slowly, people don’t realize it, as in the boiling frog analogy. But more and more people are realizing that they are being totally lied to every day, and this is what makes the times we live in so dangerous. Something big is getting ready to happen. it will take us to the next phase of collapse, and one step closer to a total reset.

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    7. I am simply amazed how many have eyes but still don’t see. Simple economics simply aren’t taught anymore. I suppose if you have your EBT card, Obama phone and live in subsidized housing everything looks rosy. If you work for a living…..well, not so much.

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      • Lake Monster says:

        That’s the thing. As long as they get their gay marriage, EBT, phones, Sec 8, they don’t care what Obama does. He could blow up the moon and they’d laugh about how cool it is.

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    8. logicrazy says:

      The Persion Empire was once great, yet it is History today. Some could see the end – Like this man –

      “For one who has perception a small sign is enough.
      For one who does not heed, a thousand explanations are not enough.”
      Hajji Bektash Wali – a persion mystic 1209-1271

      Persia fell to the Mongols, or was it Alexander the great? Either way Mr. Wali could see the end. Many other did not, or this statement would have never been scribed.

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      • J. Roy says:

        Both, actually. The Persians love Alexander, the Mongols not somuch

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      • durango kidd says:

        Actually, If I remember right, Alexander lived about 300 BC and the Mongols under Genghis Khan controlled China around 900 AD; with his son Kublai Khan after him.

        Ballpark figures to be sure, but by the mid 1200′s this Iranian Mystic wasn’t reading the proverbial “handwriting on the wall” either, as that occurred in biblical times with the Medes and Persians in Babylon.

        I don’t know who this guy is or why he would be relevant but I do know that Confucius say: “Man who lays woman on ground has peace on earth”. :-)

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      • SilverSax says:

        Logicrazy, you do know that the former “Persia” is now called “Iran”, right?

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    9. Barn Cat says:

      Jim Willie said this at silverdoctors.com:

      The great turning point for the Global Dollar Politics lies in the massive changes underway with the Petro-Dollar. The Saudis urgently seek a new protector for the Persian Gulf. It will be China to wear the cape. The Saudis will soon announce acceptance for oil payments in Euro terms, in Yen terms, in British Pound terms, and most important in Chinese Yuan terms.

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      • sixpack says:

        Say bye-bye to the petrodollar…

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      • Tactical says:

        Barn Cat, it seems you are following the daily world developments. Am I wrong to consider in quote ” The best allies of the USA” e.g. Saudis and their masters in the UK, are the ones who truly screwed the US of A? It is so interesting and devastating at the same time to see how WE THE PEOPLE in the US were destroyed by these pigs. Anyone else considers UK, Saudis, Israel as our allies? If yes, give me the thumbs down.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          UK yes. If anything the Saudis are running them, rather than as you put it. Israel yes, although Obama is trying like hell to turn that pancake over.

          The Saudis were our “allies” only as long as they thought they could make us dance to their tune. Which they could do as long as they held the spigot for oil to Europe and our East Coast. Now they are pissed off as hell against Obama because Putin made him blink over Syria, and they are going lose a lot of that oil power as a consequence. Ironic that the guy in office when that all falls apart is a Muslim himself.

          I rather like the fact that we’ve pretty much pumped the Middle East dry, while reserving our own. And it looks like Israel is sitting on a huge offshore natgas reservoir.

          Payback is a bitch. Pass the popcorn please?

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          • durango kidd says:

            Well said Coach. As for the petro dollar collapse, that is not going to happen as the USA is about to become self sufficient in oil & gas again after having pumped Saudi Arabia dry as you mentioned. The word on the street is that SA has over estimated their reserves by more than 40%.

            SA will be useful to China as long as they can continue to produce. However, China will have to haggle over the bones with India who will be the next beneficiary of the Free Trade manufacturing paradigm.

            Ukraine and Poland among other European nations, are also sitting on huge shale oil reserves with tremendous natural gas pipelines in place paid for by the Russians and Europeans.

            Ukraine will be fueling the EU, Russia will be looking for customers, and China will be looking at all of the mineral wealth and water in Siberia. :-)

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            • The Old Coach says:

              Don’t leave out the big find in Azerbaijan, which is what’s behind the Syria war. The Saudis and Qataris want Assad thrown out so they can build a pipeline to the Med, and market to Europe by that route. Russia would of course rather it went via pipeline through their territory.

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            • Rusted Spur says:

              DK: From what I read we are nowhere near becoming self sufficient in oil production.
              Sources Please.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Rusted Spur: WE are not there yet but WE are moving in that direction; especially if WE do not liquefy the gas and sell it to Europe.

                WE have enough hydrocarbons in the USA to supply OUR needs at the present rate of consumption for at least 150 years; not including coal (300 years). That does not include wind, solar, and tidal energy which is underdeveloped and virtually unlimited.

                The energy crisis was a hoax for higher prices.

                Think hydrocarbons, think energy, and keep reading. The data is there if you read the industry data. WE don’t need Saudi Arabia. Never did. That was a ruse created by AIPAC to keep US engaged in the Middle East to protect Israel.

                It worked. :-)

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              • Rusted Spur says:

                I asked you a simple question. For a source. What I didn’t ask for was your condescending tone.
                So simply put you have no source and you were simply pulling this out of your ass. Otherwise you would have had to say something like this: You are correct we are nowhere near being self sufficient because we are still importing 50% of what we use on a daily basis. We use roughly 16million barrels of oil daily by some estimates it is closer to 20 million and produce 7-8 million. Now it is improved from 5 years ago, we have doubled our domestic production with recent shale plays. But extraction costs are skyrocketing with directional drilling and hydraulic fracturing which is why we will never be truly self sufficient at a reasonable cost.
                That is what you would have had to admit. Trust me I know extraction costs.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  If you know extraction costs you should also understand that the USA and the rest of the world is AWASH with oil and gas. :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  BTW: I am not here to do your research for you. My time is valuable. You have a mouse and google too! :-)

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                • Rusted Spur says:

                  DK: You have been on here arguing with Yourmama and now your time is too valuable to write a source?
                  Admittedly I don’t deal much in the discovery process of oil. I tig weld a lot of the products that come in to operation during the drilling process. So I get to travel a bit and meet some geologists, so I understand the process of discovery. I deal with project managers out in the field and engineers in the offices during the drilling. I understand that there is oil in many many places, quite literally the 500 million dollar is the size of the play and how quickly it depletes. That is why you won’t see oil companies drilling in all fifty states. Now the Bakken was not recently discovered. It was technology and the price of a barrel that made it attractive once again.

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                • Rusted Spur says:

                  You won’t source, you might as well go write opinions on BIN about alien contacts.
                  You are outed with me and nothing but full of shit.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Rusted Spur: I read a lot. When I read I do not bookmark the pages so that I can pull the link for others if a question comes up, like yours. Try Oil Price, Oil Drum, Oil & Gas Journal and a host of others.

                  I respond to Yo Mama because I enjoy making a fool out of a first class idiot who is the real government troll on this site.

                  He has pretty much singled me out for criticism on every comment I make, so I enjoy exposing his total ignorance. Otherwise folks might start to believe him. There is enough propaganda in Media as it is.

                  Engage your enemy when he engages you! :-)

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  Here you go, smartass.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

                  That’s 2013 numbers. US is third and growing. If you add the US and Canada, together we’re FIRST. If the Halfrican Dictator’s gang of thugs would step aside we would be growing even faster.

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  AANnnnnd this one:

                  http://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-has-US-Oil-Consumption-Steadily-Fallen-since-2004.html

                  That doesn’t even begin to count gas production, which is growing so fast that the price has dropped to something like 1/3 of what it was five years ago. And natgas can replace a lot of oil, especially as feedstock for the chemical and plastics industries. They love it, because it doesn’t have all the impurities that come up with crude oil.

                  Happy now?

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  BTW Durango, The Oil Drum has ceased publication, although the site is still up. Seems their beating the drum for Peak Oil was suffering from AlGore syndrome. You know, people believe their own eyes and start laughing at you….

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                • Rusted Spur says:

                  Coach: I am sure DK appreciates you doing his leg work for me. I already had a number of sources to prove what he said was false. But you came along and proved it for me. Thanks for that.
                  Go above and read what I wrote about our current production. Roughly 7-8 million barrels a day. Then read what I wrote about our consumption per day about 16 million barrels a day.
                  Now go to your own sources: Wiki list of countries oil production 8.4 million per day. Now go to the oilprice and look at figure 1 of our actual consumption, over 16 million per day.
                  I am failing to see how that is self sufficient. I am also failing to see where my statement above is flawed.

                  Coach when I state a theory or opinion I will say it is so. When I am stating something that is factual I will have sources to back it up. That isn’t to say there are times when I am incorrect but I expect someone, anyone to have facts to prove me incorrect.

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  All you’ve proven so far is that you can misquote Durango Kidd and then disprove the misquote. What he SAID was that we have proven reserves of oil far into the future, and when developed will make is independent of the Saudis.
                  Now, since you are so good with data, explain this:

                  http://www.eia.gov/naturalgas/crudeoilreserves/index.cfm

                  Yeah, 26 BILLION barrels of proven reserves, and that’s three-year-old numbers. How many years will it take to use that up at 18 MILLION barrels per day? IF the consumption hold at current level, and doesn’t fall more due to natgas replacing oil?

                  What we’ve proven here is that DK made a factual statement, and YOU couldn’t prove him wrong because the numbers support HIM.

                  I get so damned tired of people who make up facts.

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        • SilverSax says:

          Yes. However, Hussein Obama is working as hard and as fast as he can to turn them against us. He’s succeeding, too.

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        • Barn Cat says:

          The Saudis were never our friends because they’re Muslims. You can’t have peace with Muslims. But there was a deal in place for the US to protect Saudi Arabia in exchange for them establishing the petrodollar and putting their excess money into government bonds. The last few years the Fed has been printing trillions of new dollars out of thin air. They’re obviously concerned about the loss of value of the dollars they’ve accepted and the trillion or so they have in our stock market. Getting out of the petrodollar system will cost them a lot of money besides leading to a world war.

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    10. possee says:

      Every single day..yes every single day, dozens of financial,preparedness, and survival sites offer guest(and proprietor) posts of impending doom be it economic or other scenarios ad nauseum…

      I spend countless hours weekly perusing through these sites that initially offered valuable insight and information…it seems now that everyone is on the bandwagon of any day now it will all come tumbling down..

      It’s getting to the point of enough of the chicken little scenario and start actually enjoying each day and prepare accordingly as one sees fit…

      Is there any good news out there at all..anywhere?

      Or is it just me..?

      Everything is red alert,radiation,impending collapse,
      and false flags…

      Not everything in life is a conspiracy..or is it?

      Perhaps one of you good folks out there could “enlighten” me..

      possee

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      • wormdirt says:

        There is good news:

        Jesus loves you and wants you to prosper.

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        • Backwoods Preacher says:

          “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[a] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.” Matthew 6:19-20

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        • Barn Cat says:

          Jesus wants us to follow Him. He never talked about prosperity. In fact, Jesus said this:

          (Mat 8:19-20 NIV) Then a teacher of the law came to him and said, “Teacher, I will follow you wherever you go.” {20} Jesus replied, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

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      • Alphonse says:

        possee. I agree. I follow this site since my personal belief is that these are fragile times. However most of history has occurred during tenuous times. This site involves sorting wheat from chaff. It is a platform for the racists, gunsexuals and cantankerous dumb as well as supplying useful information. But life is not an endless web of conspiracies – or so I choose to believe and, accordingly, structure my life.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Most of the conspiracy crap is real tough to swallow, its better to look for the silver lining in the storm clouds than constantly just seeing an impossible storm.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            Nice way of looking at things, Kulafarmer. Yes, there really are some conspiracies out there but that does not mean that everything in the world IS a conspiracy. Saying that everything is a conspiracy is about as silly as saying that there are no conspiracies. Both lie outside the realm of reality.

            The greatest roadblock to conspiracy is that most people are too dumb to actually pull one off. If they manage to do it, they are usually too dumb to keep quiet about it. Not that they do not happen now and then but it is probably a lot less common than many seem to think.

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          • Lurker says:

            “Most of the conspiracy crap is real tough to swallow,”

            When a bunch of senators go into a closed-door session, what are they doing if not conspiring?

            What is getting old is the attempt to theorize what they are up to before its too late to save our futures.

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          • John W. says:

            Tell that to the Jews who did not take the hint and leave when they could. Those were some very dark clouds indeed.

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      • hillbilly SC says:

        possee,

        Word…

        I stop by sometimes, just to check to see if all is well in “Thunderdome”. :)

        I enjoy the information I get from y’all, but I’m not living my life listening to another gold bug. I have what I need now, and will get more for the future. He is right about FRN’s being about worthless today. :(

        Time to enjoy today, for we aren’t guaranteed tomorrow. ;)

        Spent the evening with the Lil’ hillbilly and mrs. trying to get him to understand that not all the kids at school hate him. That’s what he believes. :(

        It’s life Lil’ moments that make it worth living. :)

        Y’all enjoy your night.

        hillbilly SC

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      • steve says:

        Don’t confuse inevitable with imminent.

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      • Archivist says:

        @possee

        Possible good news. Jim Sinclair says the “Great Reset” is only 7 years away, 2020.

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      • possee,

        You have the prepper blues brother, we all get that from time to time. Sometimes you have to step back and take in the day and search for things that make you happy. My last step back came in form of killing a laptop that has been driving me crazy for months. It sure felt good to unload some rounds on it and since i got it for free what the hell. Sometimes I even hit youtube and watch some of the older Budweiser com. That will get you LOL..

        NOMI
        DPS

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        • Horse'sass says:

          But shooting your confuser with a gun takes the intimacy out of it. My wife will attest (she is watching me as I type this BTW) that I get more personal satisfaction and sense of revenge and relief when I smash it and rip it apart with my bare hands. Having said that, I like the challenge of HAM radio and even so far as to get my Extra and a Elecraft KX3 and a Yaesu VX-8DR as a celebration present.

          Anyway, thanks for showing my wife that I am not the only “crazy” guy out there.

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          • TheGuy says:

            Le sigh…

            Every computer I’ve had since 2000 was salvage and I rebuilt it.

            There’s nothing wrong with it that a good old DBAN DOD5 wipe of the hard drive and a fresh install of Windows (or preferrably Debian or Mint Linux) couldn’t solve…

            At least scavenge it for the parts… the memory and hard drive at a bare minimum are still good…

            Makes me cry, man. I’d have loved that thing…

            :)

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          • Nimrod Hunter says:

            Congratulations on getting your Extra Class license, Horse’sass.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        Brother Possee, I worked hard today for a couple friends and helped them out as a favor…I then when home, liberated my pets and we worked doing a final clean up around my property for the winter. (Well i worked!, dogs and cat not so much!)

        I was cool, sunny, cloudy and beautiful here in the Rockies…last night we had our first skiff of snow at the house.

        Came in just before dark, made a fire and made my wife chicken pot pie for dinner…from scratch baby!

        Dogs are snoozing by the fire, cat is out mousing and we are drinking a nice glass of cab.

        We live one day at a time. We have a plan for tomorrow…and the day after that, and the day after that…just like you do.

        Let’s not live in fear…God doesn’t want it that way.

        “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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        • lastmanstanding says:

          ps…we have a very old buck deer that hangs out here…he and the dogs pay no attention to each other.

          “Clyde” and the cat are buddies…he has been here for 3 years…he sheds his antlers within a stones throw of our cabin every year. This year he has a couple little spikes…his coat is a bit shaggy and this may be his last year. He often beds down that same stones throw from the house.

          he is a survivor of natures battles, he is no longer the majestic one of the bunch, he is a loner…except for us.

          Ok, I feed him a bit from our garden but he comes and goes. His presence at our home is empowering…

          A survivor of a harsh environment.

          His spirit blesses our ridge…

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Good post Lastman, good post

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            thanks guys…no red thumbs and lots of greens, awesome.

            I love everyone here…I tell it like it is…I have an opinion of everything…JUST ASK MY WIFE!!!

            I love the earth. Frankly, alot of folks on it have less than no respect for it or the rest of us on it. I hope their exit is painful.

            Now the for the animals…they live until they can’t fend for themselves or they become a victim of the pecking order that mother nature devised…

            NO EXCEPTIONS…i’m not going to get into the human race…especially “Ameericans”.

            I will say that most Americans will get exactly what they deserve.

            as per lms…”don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Yes possee, there is good news! Jesus Christ is Lord, so come to know him as your Personal Savior, and then lay up a few supplies. Come to this site and read the articles and leave a few comments, I know most of us get some enjoyment out of doing just that. Just try and not take most of it to seriously. Yes hard times are coming, but I don’t think there will be anything that we can’t handle. When my kids came to visit this summer, we went 4 wheeling and got up in the middle of nowhere and the rain came along with some sleet, and my kids said now what, and my response was, without mounatian showers there would be no mountain flowers. Such is life! Hard times will come but so will the good ones. So we will just buckle down and do what has to be done. So in the mean time we’ll just keep sharing the info. Trekker Out.

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      • BadAmerican says:

        @posse:

        Keep your chin up, soldier.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snnWjT3Os6E

        …….put your right foot in……..BA.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Posse: I think I have been countering the “doomers” here for a few years now. First it was “hyperinflation” but after a couple of years it was obvious to even the most opaque that it was a turkey that wouldn’t fly.

        So now, the “doomers” claim “collapse” is just around the corner. Collapse would have to be deliberate and collapse would hurt the PTB more than it would hurt the masses. You cannot squeeze blood from a turnip, but the One Percent would bleed like a stuck pig in a collapse. And it is the 10% who control the nation.

        What is particularly discouraging is reading yellow journalism at say, Before Its News where some articles claim the End Is Near everyday, and then when that day comes, and nothing happens, there is new “insight” from an “insider” and there is a new timeline.

        Every day Alt Media blasts the very dollar they live by, and encourage others to buy silver and gold. Most of these individuals have a vested interest (Sprott and Schiff for example) promoting your fear. Eventually they may be right, but until then the opportunity cost for you is immeasurable.

        The last time I looked the dollar was rising against most other currencies other than the Yuan. We live in the End Times, uncertainty and crisis in the world will continue to strengthen the dollar.

        This kind of reporting undermines a necessary understanding of the circumstances and times in which WE live. Michael Synder for one, does a very good job of documenting OUR national decline, but its time for the “Watchman On The Wall” to become a “community organizer” to pursue positive change. While his efforts are appreciated he needs to take his understanding to the next level.

        He needs to run for public office.

        100 million American Gun Owners hold the future of this Nation in their hands. A new political organization must develop if OUR liberties are to be preserved. One way would be for Patriots to join the Tea Party wing of the Retards and emphasize Constitutional Law.

        If WE do not engage OUR employees they will continue to legislate OUR freedoms away. Engage, infiltrate, be vocal, demand your rights, participate. If not US who? If not now, when? :-)

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        • DK,

          I hate to say this but I agree with you about being more involved, I joined up with the local Teaparty and have been making my voice heard. What I have found out is with a good network of friends you can sure make any subject travel fast. I has to start somewhere and I sure will not go down without a fight. Its time to stop worry about all this and get in somebody’s face and tell them what we think about the way they run things. And when that don’t work then its time to vote..

          NOMI
          DPS

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “And when that don’t work then its time to vote..”

            And when voting don’t work, then what? Seems to me that there is so much election fraud anymore that it is getting impossible to have a fair election that actually reflects the will of the people. In 2012, for example, there were a LOT of people bragging about how many times they voted for Obama. Voting early and often may be the Chicago way but it is not the American way. A lot of elections come out pretty close. When the dead, the insane, the illegals, and the criminals vote, Lord help us all.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Why else would anyone be against showing identification to vote,
              The reasons against are all BS.
              If your poor and want to get benefits dont you need some sort of identification? To me the argument that voter ID laws unfairly affect the poor or indigent is BS.

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        • yourmotherwaswrong says:

          The durango kidd says:

          Blah blah blah – I’m an Establishment stooge. Don’t pay any attention to “this kind of reporting,” because it “undermines” the Establishments controlled system of fiat (fake) money. Nothing to see here, move along serf.

          What a schmuck!

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          • durango kidd says:

            Yo Mama: I didn’t say “don’t pay any attention to it”. I said that yellow journalism undermines the understanding that the masses need to understand the times in which WE live.

            Propaganda from Alt Media is still propaganda, and no better than the lies WE get from LSM. Accurate reporting, informative reporting, like that produced my Michael Snyder is useful and helpful.

            Another straw man debate?

            I think that you are the government or establishment stooge here or a complete idiot about money, (or all three) because it is an established fact that the dollar will strengthen as the world spirals into crisis.

            Pun intended. :-)

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              The durango kidd says:

              “it is an established fact that the dollar will strengthen as the world spirals into crisis.”

              “established fact?” LMFAO!

              Established by who DK?

              You and your “established” friends??

              You can’t back that claim up with anything other than wishful thinking and shit outa your ass.

              Endless money printing on the other hand, has “fact” based consequences.

              Only a government/establishment stooge would say: “it is an established fact that the dollar will strengthen as the world spirals into crisis.

              That’s government/establishment propaganda at it’s finest folks… Everything is fine!

              They are desperately trying to keep the con going.

              BTW DK… Michael Snyder is not the author of this article. The author is Mac Slavo. I guess you missed that “fact” too.

              No small wonder there.

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              • durango kidd says:

                NO its not my fact. If you knew anything about the global economy you would know that the wealth of the world always, ALWAYS flees to the USD in crisis. That is a historical fact. So until China establishes a gold standard for the Yuan, the wealthy will continue to run to the USD.

                You might want to read reliable experts (besides myself) at Money and Markets (Weiss Research) and Larry Edelson in particular. Larry has his pulse on the markets and is a great analyst.

                I was using Michael Snyder as a good example of Alt Media ion general. I did not even suggest that he wrote this article. Why did you? LMAO!

                Are you drunk or on drugs? :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “the wealth of the world always, ALWAYS flees to the USD in crisis. That is a historical fact.”

                  Since when? You mean post WWII? That “ALWAYS?”

                  “ALWAYS?” Hitler said his Third Reich would last a “thousand years,” and you say “ALWAYS?”

                  “You might want to read reliable experts (besides myself)” on the fate of hubristic empires who bankrupt themselves and then proceed to terrorize and exploit their own citizens.

                  News Flash: It ALWAYS happens.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yes since WWII. Isn’t that enough history for you? Until the dollar is supplanted by a basket of currencies or a gold backed yuan, BIG money will flee to the USD, dollar denominated assets, and US Bonds.

                  They ALWAYS do, at least since WW II. :-)

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  DK, don’t bother arguing with idiots. After a short while nobody can tell which one is the idiot.

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        • Barn Cat says:

          That’s hilarious. The dollar is fine??? Tell Weimar Germany that you can print your currency forever without consequences. ALL the major central banks are inflating their currencies. It’s nice for awhile to live in a fool’s paradise but the ending isn’t fun.

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          • yourmotherwaswrong says:

            The fed’s policy of QE will cause the bottom of the dollar to fall out. It’s not a question of if, but when. The dollar is going to lose a lot of value. The dollar is going to go down, that’s going to push prices up, consumer prices (inflation). Eventually the fed is going to have to stop printing it’s funny money in order to save the dollar (nonstop printing will lead straight to hyperinflation) and that’s when the real fun begins, because that’s when our whole bubble economy implodes.

            Got hard assets?

            Like… “gold and silver, real estate, diamonds… I would say other things that have tangible value, that no matter what the currency does, you still have possession and ownership of those assets.”

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            • durango kidd says:

              Yo Mama: Yes the dollar is going to lose a lot of value. That is the PLAN by the NWO for America. That decline is intended to make the USA more “competitive” with nations that possess cheap labor and manipulated currencies.

              Its a “Share The Wealth Plan” (YOUR WEALTH) that is intended to redistribute and transfer the wealth of America to the Third World. That process, combined with massive ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION will enslave American workers, families, and taxpayers: unless you can become a capitalist OWNING the means of production.

              Engage your enemy before they engage you. :-)

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              • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                @the durango kidd

                Q: Do you support the current monetary system of the United States Government?

                Q: Do you support central banking?

                These are simple yes or no questions.

                My bet is, you support both.

                Suprise me DK.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: NO, they are not simple questions and to suggest that they are identify’s the source of your ignorance.

                  Yes, I support fiat money. There is not enough gold to use it in circulation, silver is too valuable as an industrial metal for world commerce, and if gold backed the dollar, all of the gold in America would follow OUR dollars offshore under the Free Trade System of the NWO Globalists.

                  The problem in America is not the money system; it is the commerce system. Free Trade has tilted the table toward the one percent, which is why the gap between rich and poor is increasing in America and at an increasing rate.

                  Worse, once gold backs money again, and it will, the central bankers would control ALL of the gold again and WE would be left with digital dollars to access by OUR O’Bummer Bank Card. Poof, its gone. Try to get it back.

                  I do not support the FED. It is my desire that the FED purchase ALL American debt, or at least the lion’s share of it, and then WE repudiate the FED. US debt instruments are fungible and ubiquitous and used by investors and corporations the world over to park their idle funds.

                  As for your central bank question, there does need to be significant new oversight over central bank operations but even if the private FED were “disappeared” there would, of necessity, be some kind of organization required to conduct the clearing house operations and other aspects of national finance. Even if those operations were conducted by Treasury, the functions must still exist.

                  The devil is in the details. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “Yes, I support fiat money.”

                  And so does the NWO, and every criminal in DC.

                  There you have it. DK supports your enslavement via the bankers!

                  “As for your central bank question, there does need to be significant new oversight over central bank operations but even if the private FED were
                  “disappeared” there would, of necessity, be some kind of organization required to conduct the clearing house operations and other aspects of national finance. Even if those operations were conducted by Treasury, the functions must still exist.

                  Blah blah blah. I’ll take that as a “yes,” you support central banking.

                  There you have it. DK supports your enslavement via the bankers, their central bank, and their fiat (fake) money. He also pontificates on the supposed virtues of voting in this established system.

                  Hey DK, tell us why you’re really here (on this site)?

                  Oh, that’s right…”The devil is in the details.”

                  Putz.

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                • Rusted Spur says:

                  Yourmother: I think you are correct about DK. Yental eluded to something being wrong the other day.
                  He is all about status quo. He encourages people to continue the behavior that currently put all of us in the present situation.
                  Makes sweeping blanket statements with refusing to give sources.
                  I would advise you to just stay away. Nothing good happens locking horns with a narcissist.

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  @Rusted Spur

                  The Durango Kidd is a troll.

                  It seems he’s had a free pass for too long.

                  I’ll continue to call him out when he attempts to run cover for criminals.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: Yes I support fiat money. So does the rest of the world. I especially support the USD. You don’t because you don’t have any.

                  Consider that world commerce, even national commerce, requires a currency that is practical, and generally accepted by everyone as a store of value, and medium of exchange. Would YOU prefer barter to accompany your dream of FREE TRADE?

                  Tell US about YOUR plan for money. Is there enough gold to go around? Is there enough silver to grease every palm in the world? Would you prefer Bit Coin? Digital O’Bummer Dollars? Tell US brainiac, what should WE be using for money? Really? How much gold and silver do YOU have?

                  I have a mountain of it. I got mine. Get yours. :-)

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          • durango kidd says:

            Barn Cat: I didn’t say the dollar “was fine”. I said the dollar has been strengthening against most currencies except the Yuan. And that is a problem. With a stronger dollar, American manufacturing cannot compete against products and service provided by nations with cheap labor and manipulated currencies.

            Your astonishment is exceeded only by your economic ignorance. :-)

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              The durango kidd says:

              “it is an established fact that the dollar will strengthen as the world spirals into crisis.”

              “With a stronger dollar, American manufacturing cannot compete against products and service provided by nations with cheap labor and manipulated currencies.”

              “it is an established fact that the dollar will strengthen as the world spirals into crisis.”

              “With a stronger dollar, American manufacturing cannot compete against products and service provided by nations with cheap labor and manipulated currencies.”

              “Your astonishment is exceeded only by your economic ignorance.” ~ The Durango Kidd; Nobel Laureate in Economics.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Yo Mama: When American manufacturing cannot compete with cheap labor and manipulated currencies because the dollar is too strong, investors will not build factories in America and create jobs. That’s where WE have been left under Free Trade, but I bet YOU believe Free Trade is akin to “garage sale economics”.

                You are dumber than you look! LMAO!!! :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  So, is the kidd in favor of a “strong” dollar or a “weak” dollar?

                  And, does the USG “manipulate” it’s currency? (don’t insult me by saying it doesn’t)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  I am in favor of FAIR TRADE. A Fair Trade System would take the emphasis off of either a strong or weak dollar; and the strength of the dollar or lack of it would be determined by the productivity of the American worker and the efficiency of competing corporations.

                  That’s the way life use to be, long, long ago, and far, far away.

                  Of course the dollar is manipulated; as are ALL markets, except for your local garage sale. Because the dollar IS the world currency, and because BIG money flees to safety in the dollar during world conflict, the PTB are having a very difficult time weakening the dollar.

                  The emerging American oil & gas glut will further move to strengthen the dollar, much to their chagrin, continuing the status quo with respect to jobs, unemployment, and GDP. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “Because the dollar IS the world currency.”

                  Not for long.

                  “The only thing that is constant is change”
                  ~ Heraclitus

                  What then genius?

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          • The Old Coach says:

            DK, non illegitamus carborunudum, man. It takes years of experience to get a handle on economics and finance, and your detractors here obviously have a couple of weeks. Like my alcoholic ex, their idea of winning an argument is to screech louder and louder and use more and more profane language until you just give up and go away.
            (I was definitely thinking only with my hind brain when I married her.)

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            • durango kidd says:

              Coach: No one can grind me down. Certainly not an idiot like YM. My life has been a study in perseverance. I move from “victory, to victory, to victory” no matter how long the interval. I do not know the words defeat or surrender.

              They are anathema to my soul. :-)

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              The Old Coach says:

              “Like my alcoholic ex, their idea of winning an argument is to screech louder and louder and use more and more profane language until you just give up and go away.

              You are correct.

              And that’s why the durango kidd has labeled me a “Communist” and a “Faggot.”

              It’s an effort to get me to “just give up and go away.”

              You people rail on the “establishment” while supporting the “establishment”. i.e., The Durango Kidd.

              schiz·o·phre·ni·a
              /ˌskitsəˈfrēnēə,-ˈfrenēə/
              noun
              noun: schizophrenia

              A long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.

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      • Boss Hog says:

        Hey Possee,
        your not alone, youv’e just been at it for much longer than most and now that prepping is going mainstream and there is a profit to be made every new kid on the block wants a piece of the action. Fear sells just like sex, and thats why we are now bombarded with crisis alerts and emergency late breaking news.

        Its getting rediculous but its the way the game is played. Dont ever forget we have all prolly been right there with you at one point in time. I know my eyes glaze over more than half the time a new “thing” is uncovered. Is it going to collapse? oh yeah! Is it going to be tomorrow? Could be! Oh well…

        One more thing Possee at the end of that tale there really was a wolf and it didnt matter if the boy had been calling “wolf” or not.

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      • possee says:

        To Each and Every One of You..

        Thank you..all of you!

        I have my entire family and grandkids all nestled within a 25 mile radius..excepting my oldest who now lives in N.H.

        They are all on board in their respective ways..we are in our early 60′s and under severe financial pressure for the obvious reasons..down sized,wage freezes,hours cut…applied for part time positions to supplement the cash flow and literally hundreds apply for the same low wage positions..it really sucks here in Massachusetts..everyone I know is under duress in some form or another..

        That being said..had we the wherewithall..we would sell the home and move out west to start over..homestead,raise livestock and gardens,draw water from the well,shoot at will from the front porch…and watch the sunsets as we sunset…..

        Now that would be freedom….

        peace

        possee

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        • HD74Man says:

          Massholeland with it’s Kennedy-liberal aka Senato Liz Warren with her “Consumer Credit Reform Act” which cost Americans billions of dollars in increased cc interest rates; anti-gun, anti-freedom anything will definitely be ground zero for the coming apocalypse. As a former resident who moved to Maine 35 years, anybody from the state who thinks their gonna run to the north country to escape the meltdown, better be their flak jacket. Massholes-reviled and detested coast to coast.

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          • MXLord327 says:

            HD74Man – I wish more of the massholes that move here to Maine thought like you. Most of them come here to escape what is going on in kennedy/warren-land, but then try their damndest to turn us into what they escaped from!! Maine used to be a great state, but now it is just Mass-North.

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        • gone under says:

          do it.

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Yeah Possee this doom and gloomin’ grows old and I find myself becoming amused by it.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          It would be nice to have more self sufficiency or sustainability articles, the financial crap is the least of my worries, and ill bet same for many here. Dont have much money, so many months if i want to buy a new gun or some other preps, some other bills may mot get paid on time! But what are the best ways to provide for poultry in a SHTF scenario, home security? Neighborhood organizing? Repurposing stuff? Trash? Charity? Home repairs when theres no home depot?
          All manner of topics. It definitely gets old, doom and gloom, it gets to a point where the articles on all the sites are just retreads in one fashion or another and its more amuzing to bounce around the comments sections,
          I guess balance is the best thing to remember, everything requires a certain degree of balance.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            As I said way back that is how they pay the bills. D&G sells. Talking about canning doesn’t.

            Everyone want to know and talk about who to blame. Not how they will help themselves.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Thats the big reason i like JWRs Survivalblog and organic prepper and ready nutrition, the forums just arent as active or dont have one and that is why i like this site, thanks to Mac, its nice to chit chat with all you folks here, breaks it up a bit and is good to vent sometimes.

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          • lonelonemum says:

            Gotta agree kula.

            More prep talk needed & less of the gloom. We all know things are bad, and fixing to get worse.

            For instance I’m trying to decide between large fowl and bantams. Large fowl eggs will sell easier in todays climate, but come lock down for SHTF bantams eat less and require less room if they have to be hidden from possible thieves.

            I’ll have a sized decent garden, but don’t have the funds for several acres (land in the UK is crazy prices!). I reckon I’m probably not alone, and even those who do have a large spread today, may find themselves unable to adequately defend every inch tomorrow.

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            • Bilbo says:

              Depending on space and climate I’m a big fan of bantams. We live in western NC and the winters can get a bit chilly but the bantams seem to do well. Most of my family has been involved in farming or poultry of some sort so its just my 2 cents. I really like the smaller breeds. Good luck!

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          • RickInOregon says:

            You can just ignore the topic and strike up any conversation that floats your boat. I do it all the time, sometime I even post it with the warning “Off Topic”.

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      • slingshot says:

        possee.

        Not everything in life is a conspiracy..or is it?

        Only if you want it to be. I find prepping more enjoyable when I prep for a storm and forget about everything else. Too much B.S. to worry about and that brings you down. Yeah and TERMINAL prepping can fill your home up with stuff that you can’t move. I have shit everywhere. Open any closet and Whoop! there it is.
        Almost like an addiction. This past week or so at the hunt camp a secondary water tower and built one of those rocket stoves. I built them because the material was laying around and I put them to work for me.
        As for all the bad news, we like to torture ourselves, in an odd sort of way. We notice things happening in small increments that others can’t see. Then we come to sites like SHTF to warn or bitch about why nothing is being done to change things. We are people of action and we are stuck because to change things requires a monumental shift in attitude and policies to get change.
        Rest assured there will be change. It is long in the tooth getting there.

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      • Nimrod Hunter says:

        possee,
        It is hard indeed to find good news in large and complex man-made systems. There are too many moving parts, too much depravity, profound blindness and ignorance, incapacity to predict, even in principal, the Black Swans, and the inevitable rise and fall of nation-states.
        To me it seems that the good things in life almost always occur at a personal level. As others have said here, God is love and Jesus loves each and every one of us, but you have to apprehend that personally, and when you do, it’s only between you and God.
        Your own good news may seem mundane, jejune, and pedestrian to others, but it is YOUR good news and you should properly enjoy it.
        I have a really good dog, and I was standing outside with her at 4 in the morning this morning. The air smelled fresh and there was a cool breeze.
        I’m going to ride my motorcycle over to a friend’s house tomorrow to visit.
        I have a great wife to whom I’ve been married for many years.
        I have a good job and none of the people around me are mean, cruel, cynical, or power-hungry; they’re actually all good people and I feel pretty good when I’m at work.
        I have Winter vegetables coming up in the garden: cabbage, broccoli, and kale.
        I’m pretty self-reliant, I can still run 10 miles, or go back-packing by myself for a few days, and I have lots of high-quality hand tools and I know what to do with them.
        I have lots of good books to read and I am finishing quite a few of them lately.
        Good news is all around you, and anybody can appreciate his own good news without being a “Pollyanna” or otherwise being falsely optimistic.

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    11. Prepper says:

      The ability to turn tainted water into pure, drinkable water seems like a useful skill. The only downside is that 99% of the population has absolutely nothing of value to offer in exchange. Nevertheless, the ability to purify water makes you an important member of any mutual assistance group.

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      • Npgh says:

        We got some land and a house outside city limits. We had family over for the weekend including the kids. One of our water sources is the nearby creek that fills our tanks. The kids asked us how do we get drinking water if the tanks run dry…I gave them at least 6 answers of which even my brother in law didnt know the answer to. Needless to say…it eas an educational weekend!

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      • sixpack says:

        Even moreso, the ability to purify FOUND water without purification tablets…

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Not promoting,just mentioning again, LifeStraw. Every member of everyones family should have one. It may not be your ultimate water source but it would be the least expensive for a starter. I wish I could send pictures. I tested my LifeStraw in a clear mountain stream and sent pictures to my family, but my son-in-law being the trouble maker that he is, said anyone could drink from that stream without the straw. So next I sent pictures drinking from a standing stream with cow patties all around, even in the water next to where I was drinking. No ill effects. I think I made them believers. Trekker Out. I’ll Drink To That!

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    12. averagejoe says:

      this reminds me of the Don Henly song.

      We can do “The Innuendo”
      We can dance and sing
      When it’s said and done we haven’t told you a thing
      We all know that Crap is King
      Give us dirty laundry!

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    13. thisTexan has had enough says:

      Possee-I am sure there is good news somewhere but it is overwhelmed by all the bad news that keeps coming wave after wave. So many people I know have quit watching any sort of news, but I am a news junkie-as long as it is not from the Lame Stream Media.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        Agreed, Tex. The LSM has sold its credibility and there is now no way that they will ever get it back. Seems as if it is just one con job after another. Something happens that matters to the leftists and it is ALL OVER the “news”. Something else happens that doesn’t send a tingle up their legs and, well, it’s just not “news”. We can figure out what is and what is not news for ourselves. All they have to do is cover the basics… which they are not doing.

        Gotta love those “Hyper Reports” on the web, though. More useful news in 2 minutes than any of the LSM puts on in a full hour.

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    14. Gods Creation says:

      “””Perhaps one of you good folks out there could “enlighten” me..”””

      Possee, the bad news for the sheep is the good news for those prepared.

      Government collapse, the end of bankster control and their paper ponzi schemes, and the end of the propaganda bombardment, and countless other positives will come from the doom and gloom predicted.

      The land will be returned to the people willing to work it. The people will return to God and work the land or die. Those who are unwilling to work will deserve what they get.

      In short, the bright shining star at the end of the darkness is freedom, and the good news is that you will likely get to experience it.

      You can’t change what will happen, but you can survive and reap the benefits of a greatly reduced population and a collapsed tyranny.

      There is a lot to look forward to. You just have to be able to see through the darkness and focus on getting to the light on the other side.

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      • Barn Cat says:

        90% of Americans will die. America will become part of a global police state. The antichrist will rule the world for 7 years. Then Jesus will return.

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          • durango kidd says:

            AAJ: I have been out of the body. I have seen and spoken with Jesus Christ face to face. I am not a religious fanatic. I don’t even go to church, but I do not use drugs or alcohol either. No attraction to them.

            But I promise you, Jesus is real. He is the Son of God, and by Him the Universe was formed. He speaks quietly, but matter-of-factly, and there is a gravitas in His voice that is impossible to describe and convey to you. You must experience Him for yourself. You can experience Him for yourself.

            All power and glory and honor belong to Him and has been given to Him, by the Father. That is not a teaching I am regurgitating for you. That is my personal experience with Him.

            He is either real or He is not. If He is real, everything depends upon Him. If He is not real nothing has much meaning ….. because in the long run ….. we’re all dead. Then what?

            Wise men still seek Him. :-)

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            • Pissed Off Granny says:

              Durango Kidd:

              What a great post. WISE MEN still seek him indeed!

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              • AnAngryJew says:

                God is surely real. The Jewish, Muslim and Christian God are the same being, but it is my belief that Muslims and Christians have deviated too far from the truth.

                And I have no doubt that DK believes he experienced what he thinks he experienced.

                But this does not mean that his interpretation or recollection of the experience was truthful or accurate.

                As I have pointed out, these same claims are made from all cultures and all beliefs. It would be intellectually dishonest to dismiss those other claims while using your owns as a justification for your belief. Especially when their is no supporting evidence to verify your claim.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  The Christian God is the Holy Trinity.

                  Muslims and the Synagogue of Satan think the Holy Trinity is an abomination.

                  How then are they worshipping “the same God”?

                  Think clearly now.

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            • Nimrod Hunter says:

              Hey DK,
              When you are experiencing Him, you are speechless and you don’t even have any desire to talk. When you are able to talk about your experience later, you can only do so because you are far removed from that experience. Even so, mere words still seem so weak and trite.

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            • AnAngryJew says:

              I am Jewish, not Christian.

              Regardless, people of all religions have had similar experiences. And they see their individual God/Gods. So either everyone is right and all Gods exist or you are all hallucinating those experiences.

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            AAJ:

            At last we have an honest answer from a jew. I hope everyone understands that unless you are a jew that has truly converted to Christianity their religion teaches that Jesus is NOT REAL.

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            • John Q. Public says:

              Well…. they teach He is not True God and True Man, Messiah. Worse:

              The rabbis teach that Jesus Himself was idolater [Sanhedrin 43a, 107b], even teaching such insanities as claiming that Jesus worshipped a brick. [Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 67a, 107b]

              There are, of course, other numerous scurrilous accusations against Jesus in the Talmud and rabbinical literature. Though the passages have been denied and expurgated Talmud editions have been published, often using code words for Jesus, Princeton Professor and Director of JUDAIC Studies Peter Schafer has examined dozens of Talmud editions in the original and vernacular languages. Schafer not only adduces the explicit references to Jesus of Nazareth, but he also traces the code words used in the Talmud editions expurgated and sanitized for Gentile consumption. Schafer traces from edition to tractate to folio how “Balaam,” “that man,” “the carpenter,” “ben Pandera” (son of Pandera), the blank spaces, and the rest of the code words refer to Jesus of Nazareth.

              In his book “Jesus in the Talmud” (ISBN 13: 978-0691129266) Schafer has affirmed that the Talmud teaches that that Jesus was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a, 107b], was a “mamzer” [bastard] conceived adulterously in “niddah” [menstrual filth] by a Roman soldier named Pandera [Kallah 51a] of a whore [Sanhedrin 106a] and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces and, in some editions because Jesus is accused of sexual perversion, semen [Gittin 57a]. Schafer documents much more, including the Talmud claim that the Sanhedrin justly executed Jesus because he was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a, 107b] who worshipped a brick [Sanhedrin 67a], even boasting that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the execution of Jesus [Sanhedrin 43a].

              In the context of the rabbis’ “Noachide Laws” Christian “idolaters” are liable for execution by beheading under halacha, Torah Law.

              Practicing Christians worship Jesus as True God and True man, hence, under Torah law, are idolaters liable for execution. The increasingly talmudic US “legal” system is one of their weapons against you.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        GC…exactly like it should be.

        If i can’t make it, I’ll be outta here.

        Earth is going to be repelling those who have not appreciated her.

        We are up for the challenge.

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      • sixpack says:

        Wishful thinking GC. The elite will survive and, their control over resources will not relent. They will still own and control everything when they come out of their posh bunkers to reclaim everything.

        Billions will still be dead.

        The account ledgers will still have a red line on them and we that survive will still be slaves to the elite.

        The answer is to kill the damn snake before it gets out of it’s hole…

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      • Night breaker says:

        So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.

        Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

        When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision.

        When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

        ~ Chief Tecumseh

        Semper Fi 8541

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      • jimb says:

        The Government won’t collapse, it has made itself to large and has untold amounts of preps. Low government employees are screwed but not the elites.

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    15. TimTheCrusader says:

      I have to disagree with the diamonds part. IMHO, they’re the most OVERvalued thing in history, next to paper money.

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      • JustMe says:

        Industrial diamonds have real value, they can do things no conventional cutting material can do.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        Jewelry class diamonds are a scam. Anyone who thinks that gold and silver are manipulated needs to know that they are pikers compared to diamonds and the diamond cartel.

        Industrial diamonds are a different breed of cat. They have intrinsic value and many uses. They are not priced at 5-10x their actual value.

        Reselling a piece of diamond jewelry will tell you all you need to know about this.

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      • Smokey says:

        It’s a totally controlled market, artificial from the ground up.

        Don’t let anyone tell you a diamond less than two carats is an investment. It’s a pretty bauble, yes, but not an investment.

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    16. gone under says:

      Doom and Gloom causes panic buying of overpriced survival supplies… unless you read the comments (some) on this site and find out how to buy, make and grow what you need. All the gold peddlers said the economy will collapse in March, then April, then May etc. The DHS made huge orders of preps for martial law on Oct 1st. Some former Nasa lady said we will be hit by a astroid in september. Puerto Rico has Fema body bags, MRE’s and MRAP’s delivered last month for the “big” one. If you figure out what is really going on, let me know.

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      • Barn Cat says:

        The government expects civil unrest and is preparing for an economic collapse. They seem to be expecting some disaster on the east coast too.

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        • durango kidd says:

          The East Coast has the highest concentration of poor and minorities who will not respond well in a crisis. If they riot when their favorite pro sports team WINS a championship, what do you think these people are going to do when the chips are really down and mob psychology takes over?

          It will make Black Friday look like a church picnic. :-)

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          • A few patriots with boxes of roofing nails.
            Will keep that salad tossing filth on the other side of the mississsippi )

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          • gone under says:

            Ever been to southern Ca? You had better speek spanish and have hydraulics on your car.

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          • Them Guys says:

            We are all the same except for skin color…And of course that pesky wild savage Jungle Bunny DNA that only they and those who mix dna with them seem to possess.

            Jungle drum rap music is all it takes to set em off. Even with 300 yrs and TEN generations Born in a mostly civilized white high tech nation like america or euro nations. Riot, Loot, Phys violence at the first drum beat.

            It Has to be in the DNA as no other thing explains it.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        No one but God knows the future and He does NOT share that info.

        What we have are trends that show the way things are going in general. Many things indicate that a collapse is inevitable but whether that happens in 30 days or 30 years is absolutely unknown and unknowable.

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    17. averagejoe says:

      From the movie Shooter….

      Yeah. The world ain’t what it seems,
      is it, Gunnie?
      No, sir.
      You keep that in mind.
      The moment you think you got it figured,
      you’re wrong.

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    18. laeagle says:

      Amazingly, these days we live in were foretold thousands of years ago. The house of cards that our society has built is extremely fragile. Who would have ever imagined Detroit could have been transformed into what it is today, dilapidated, decimated, corrupted from the inside out. A place you enter with fear and trepidation.

      We live in an extremely fragile system that has lost its moral foundations, its moral compass. The system – economic, social, cultural, political, and physical – is ready to collapse on its own weight.

      I am reminded of that old song we use to sing as children, “The wise man built his house upon the rock; The foolish man built his house upon the sand; The rains came down and the floods came up and the house (of the foolish man) came tumbling down, down, down, down.

      Be wise in your preps. Quality is worth the extra expense and effort. Two words of wisdom are brought to mind: Beware of being ‘penny wise, and pound foolish’, and ‘don’t let your eyes be bigger than your stomach’ in other words, do not spend beyond your means and do not over commit.

      The signs of the times are adequately clear to the discerning person, unfortunately, our response may not be so clear cut or adequate. May God give each one of us an extra measure of wisdom, insight, and plenty of resources to match our needs.

      Matthew 24: 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

      42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

      Luke 17: 20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[c]

      22 Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23 People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24 For the Son of Man in his day[d] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25 But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

      26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

      28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

      30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e]

      37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.

      He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

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    19. RICH99 says:

      The end won’t happen until the 2nd amendment is destroyed and they get your guns ……PERIOD !!!!
      All these mass shootings are a push for that so logically they won’t end it until that is accomplished

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    20. AnAngryJew says:

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      • sixpack says:

        How about—Better to prepare for what could happen, than to waste your life waiting for it to happen…

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      • Kevin2 says:

        In my plus 50 years of life I have never found ignorance preferable over knowledge.

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      • Jeff says:

        The is a word for people who follow that advice; fools.
        Ignorance is NOT bliss. If you want to live like that, then I have only one question for you; Do we get to spilt up your gear when you are dead? BWT, please buy all the best top of the line stuff. You will not be needing it when you are gone. And I thank you for your support.

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    21. It is ten thousand times easier to fuck people . Than it is to convince them they got fucked. )

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    22. Warchild says:

      Posse,you just need to borrow my tinfoil hat,when wearing it everything is fine!As many keep repeating here,there is also good news and as many articles can bring you down folks throw in a few jokes/tidbits of good news.Like I say,live for today(ie,do things you enjoy)while preparing for tomorrow.Any reasonable person gets at times mentally overwhelmed by life and much of the insanity in it,that is when time to find friends/family/hobbies you enjoy ect. to push the negativity into the background,well,that and of course my foil hat!

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    23. Tactical says:

      Dear SHTFPLAN.COM readers: Before some of you send me love letters (comments) with thumbs down accusing me of being an anti Semite, anti muslim, anti human etc.. please do some search and get more details about my summary below. I watched this on RTD TV (Russia Today). You may ask why I am watching this TV station? Cos…they provide better news than our controlled media in the US of A. Actually no one heard about this on any of our media (TV, paper)…NADA. This really bring up the level of criminal acts that all of us excluding the elite class have experienced as far as being financially ruined. The main point is this international chain of banking criminals are a combination of many criminals under many faiths…..Muslims, Zionists, Christians etc.. The other critical point is that….the mother of all corruptions starts in the city of LONDON then to NY and then spreads to the world. PLEASE do your web searches and watch it in RT.com before telling me that I am a racist. I am not a racist. I am a human who likes to be free, and at the same time don’t like to be a sheep. Now this is what happened while we are talking about how many AR’s we need, how much ammo and how many years of food supply. These satanic players are working very closely together and I really think we all are SCREWED.

      ARTICLE:
      The new sharia-compliant gilt will enable Britain to become the first non-Muslim country to tap the growing pool of Islamic investments that is forecast to top £1.3 trillion by next year.
      The UK Prime Minister will say that it would be a “mistake” to miss the opportunity to encourage more Islamic investment in the UK and that the City of London should rival Dubai as a centre for sharia-compliant finance.
      “When Islamic finance is growing 50pc faster than traditional banking and when global Islamic investments are set to grow to £1.3 trillion by 2014, we want to make sure a big proportion of that new investment is made here in Britain,” Mr Cameron will tell an audience of senior officials from Islamic countries.

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      • lastmanstanding says:

        Muslims have been flocking to the fucking UK for many years.

        If you can’t beat, keep’em out, or fuck’em…at least take their money.

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        • Tactical says:

          Take their money? Then what? Do you really think their partners in crimes will share it with you? Plus their money comes from their elite class and that is similar to our elite class which means they screwed their people to make their money just in the same fashion as here.

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          • lastmanstanding says:

            I’m not saying it is right, I’m just telling you that it has been going on and the scum that controls the money will take whatever they can get, when they can get it and as much as they can get.

            Until they figure out how to initiate the other items that I mentioned…kinda like, “pass me the ball…and go to hell”

            I know what they are up to and we are going the opposite way…just like you are.

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      • JustMe says:

        Veterans Today exposes the crimes you speak of, though they seem a tad pro-muzzie…

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      • Guero says:

        The more I watch RT TV, the more I suspect Russia has an agenda to incite civil war in the US. Of course, they have a lot to work with.

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      • Jeff says:

        Know your enemy, both actual and potential. It is a very foolish thing to under estimate the Bear. So even though it is controlled propaganda, it is still worth watching what is put out by Russia Today.

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    24. Gonetoolong says:

      Trying to time this shit is impossible. Do what you can when you can. Fact, the truly wealthy people are sitting on their cash right now more so than at any time in recent history. This speaks volumes as to what they feel the stock market is going to do at some point. I am not saying that the next big correction will be the SHTF, but they expect a strong correction at which time they will then set their money in at DOW 7000. The Fed reserve bankers’ only logic and explanation as to why QE $85 billion/month is alright is because other countries are doing it and they have not fallen yet. No shit, this was in the news this morning. This is the best they can come up with. The gap between rich and poor in this country is now worse than it was right before the Great Depression. I also think this is very significant. I don’t know if the true SHTF will take place and look like hell on Earth, but I do think we are in a for a financial cliff that people will remember for a lifetime just as those of the Great Depression lived through. Given the current citizens’ lack of decency and moral compass, it very well could get quite nasty out there. Prep on brothers.

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    25. RickInOregon says:

      After having worked in manufacturing for over 30 years I’ve seen so many jobs lost, I’ve had mine offshored more than once. It’s more than likely been one of the catalyst for my interest in homesteading. It was government policies that got us to this point and I don’t trust that they have the will, skill or patriotism to pull us out of this mess. I don’t see things getting better and I won’t be surprised if there’s a major economic collapse. I don’t trust the government and I don’t want to be dependent on the government. I won’t stop learning new homesteading and primitive skills. I won’t get off the path to self sufficiency even if I’m wrong about this economy and all turns out well.

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      • Ancient Echoes says:

        If given the choice between a red pill (ignorance and going back to sleep) or a blue pill (full awareness) I will choose the blue pill. All these articles and opinions on when the end will come can get one down, but they can also be use to keep us sharp and alert. That is why we all come back here day after day after day, and always will!

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    26. BadAmerican says:

      @posse:

      GOOD NEWS !!!!

      ….why my girl is a keeper…..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSGchjAMg4k

      …..Be safe…..stay the course….BA.

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      • PO'd Patriot says:

        That sure was a small bucket. How long’d it take?

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        • BadAmerican says:

          @POd:

          Good Day Sir.

          She rambled with that mini loader for eight hours.

          We used a small loader to keep the weight off of the paving stone steps.

          The excavation site is where our new fence is being built. We needed to remove the sand to put in a cement footer and cinder block to build a stair stepped fence on the side yard. We need the reinforcement because we live in a giant sand box.

          WTH, POd, no cool comments on the dune buggy parked in the sand, lol.

          ….CATI……Brothers……BA.

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    27. Brain Dead says:

      Look guys, I haven’t been privileged with the time to read all comments, which I want to do soon. I learn many things here, but I want to share something with all of you including shills. People are lost, or just don’t care. I know two specific individuals that I’ve finally showed them the light and they said, well that’s the end for us.

      What can you say to that response. It’s a waste of time where you could be doing something else. This is only my opinion.

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    28. SmokinOkie says:

      Yeah… yeah, I know. The crash is imminent! Grab the guns, grab the gold, grab your ankles. It’s coming…ANY DAY NOW!! I’ve been at Defcon Four so long, I’m getting cramps in my spleen.
      I can only crouch in this sniper hole for so long… then my trigger finger gets numb. Let’s get it on already! If I don’t see a mushroom cloud over DC soon…. I may have to take sides with Rich99.
      Oh Lord, did I just say that?
      Forgive me, friends, but battle fatigue is setting in. Between the recent stresses at home and the ongoing need to stay prepped, I’m getting exhausted. Even a hardened cynic can get overwhelmed. (as opposed to underwhelmed, properly whelmed, whelmed just the right amount?)
      So, lacking the opportunity to sit on the back porch with a banjo, a couple friends and a mason jar, I resort to the only sanity-preserving method available. Let’s have a look at…

      Today’s News Headlines

      MIley Cyrus named 2nd runner-up in the Lady Gaga Bizarre Public Behavior Awards ceremonies. No details necessary, just look at the pictures (if you must).

      Three arrested, one injured in Oklahoma, after accidental shooting during a Bigfoot hunt. A man, his wife, and his father-in-law are in custody after a fourth (unidentified) man was shot. The three claimed they were hunting Bigfoot, following tips of a sighting in northern Oklahoma over the weekend. Authorities believe the shooting was accidental and they stress that Janet Napolitano was never in any real danger. Bigfoot hunting, by the way, is legal in the Sooner state. But hunters must be licensed, and there is a daily bag limit of two.

      Russians hold massive protest against foreigners. Tens of thousands of angry Russians turned out in Moscow over the weekend. They angrily protested the millions of illegal immigrants flooding the country. California has offered to send counselors to help deal with the situation. Alec Baldwin, newly elected governor of California, said, “We have uniquely qualifying experience in this matter and will be glad to help. Just as soon as we can find some counselors who are Spanish/Russian bilingual…”

      A mother in Virginia is being blasted by the mainstream media (that’s mainstream as in warm and yellow), for letting her 7 yr old son dress in a KKK outfit for Halloween. Local media carried stories of citizens lamenting the image given their town. And Facebook and Twitter were swarmed with angry responses to a picture of the boy in full Wizard regalia. Interestingly, the concept that it was a HALLOWEEN COSTUME seemed to have been totally overlooked. Even more interestingly, none of the news stories, and NONE of the thousands of social media responses, had the nerve to use the word ‘spook’.

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      • RICH99 says:

        I have been saying this for 2 years that we re YEARS away from any of this and I got all hell for it , but who is looking right after the dust is settling now ……m not so crazy after all in my assessment

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    29. maudy fricket says:

      Never under estimate the violence the Feds are willing to engage in against families and churches. Waco and Ruby Ridge. Armed assaults against buildings that the Feds knew contained little children. And then the Feds protected the offenders and in some instances promoted the offenders. These people are Stalinists. They will not hesitate to kill thousands. 9/11. Or maybe even millions. Just like Stalin.

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      • Tactical says:

        maudy…. Very true statement you have made. I really hope awaken people simply don’t ignore the level of savagery these species can bring to the game.

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    30. Sick of it all says:

      Remember when they said ” it’s only a matter of time before the U.S. Adopts the metric system?? Well that NEVER happened. And why is that?? Because at that time we ran the whole fuckin’ show. Now it’s time to learn a new currency system?? How many Yuan or euros to a dollar?? No thanks, FUCK THAT!! I will just count out the new currency in the old numeric system in groups of 30. Hard to believe what happened to Detroit?? Hmm let’s step back and look at the big picture. The tribes took it all over. It got so bad that the city dropped the redirect law for city workers because now no one wanted to live in Detroit to work for the city. Secondly , they didn’t have a pool of new qualified people to run their safety forces who resided in the Motor city. When they lifted residency restrictions the white man left. Hence,the animals took over the jungle. The white man came in to Detroit to work and commuted home to the outlying suburbs to his family where it was safe and civil. As for car jobs, everyone bought Jap cars which killed the industry. Two words for me DECEMBER SEVENTH. Remember Pearl Harbor , even though I wasn’t born I bow down to our WWII vets (and all American veterans) for making the supreme sacrifice on the altar of freedom. I remember the uncles shot up from the war at Normandy ,Europe & the Pacific Campaigns Solid men who never talked about war, but were determined to return home to families and start new families. Being a child in post WWIi and having solid fathers and uncles who under their watchful eyes made us walk the straight and narrow. You didn’t fuck up around them Actually they somewhat intimidating and scared the hell out of me. But that’s what molded us. Cut to modern day America. The kings dad/uncles and their influence on him hmm kenyan pieces of shit don’t fall far from the assho No such upbringing no fighting for your country or any of that The fucker was taught socialist policies and doctrines. Now he is in charge. Some change. Cut to modern day Detroit and it’s plight. Ghetto hoes who are just breeding machines which are subsidized by the Gov’t. From cradle to grave babies mama daddies are on the fuckin dole as well. ZERO Accountability for their actions What are the answers to save Detroit or America? We need to take steps in the right direction. Let’s start by being accountable for your own actions. No more blaming anybody for your problems get off your lazy ass and better yourself. Hmmm can’t do that or gots no time for that? Then we sterilize the hoes we will give em say a check for 5 grand and call it even. Dat way she can go buys somes nice clothes. Now she is “FIXED” all the ghetto bucks can “Hit dat” all night long and have offspring that they wouldnt care about. Offspring that they won’t have to support forever. Nowmaybe she has no excuse to sit home and watch Oprah all day having no kids to (not) watch. ACLU? Do me really need it??where are my rights? I have the right to go bust my ass daily so you don’t have to?? Has to stop. Drug test welfare receiptiants. Huuuuhhh say what?? Dont like the new USA/Detroit ? No problem. We fly you one way to Kenya or yer choice or your other motherland country and you stay there good luck assholes. You no longer are our problem time to get your shit together of get the fuck out

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    31. Be informed says:

      @ AnAngryJew. You say that people have been talking about a collapse for decades or centuries. How many people were there on this planet decades or centuries ago? I want you to take a long look at India. They have the second most square miles of arable land in the world, second only to the U.S. 610,000 square miles of arable land. Yet they are starving in masses over there. There are 1.19 billion people in India. That means there is 1950 people per sqaure mile of arable in India. I don’t want to hear they could eat the cows and be okay, this is hardly true. It has to do with how much food can be grown on an arce of land. 640 acres per sqaure mile.

      Do you know where the world stands in people per square mile of arable land for the entire world? 1400 people per square mile of arable land for planet Earth. Do you know what happens when the threshold IS reached in which there is not enough arable land to grow enough food for the population? Economic disaster, and mass wars from those that don’t have trying to get from those that do.

      You want more than idle speculation of a collapse coming? Look at the 7+ billion people on this planet with limited resources as one of them that has raw statistical math to back it up. Also starvation leads to compromised immune system of billions and that leads to super viruses and disease spreading rapidly through air travel.

      One of the most ignorant misleading misconception that your libtard friends spread is there is plenty of land for plenty more people to live on. There is NOT plenty of arable land on this planet to grow crops on. Most countries have less than 10% of their land is suitable for crops, that is what is meant by arable land. Australia has 6.1%, and Canada 5% for example. In Australia 15 out of 16, and Canada 19 out of 20 parcels of land cannot grow crops on it. Sure a trillion people can live on planet earth, but not have anything to eat or enough fresh water and die within 3 days. At about 9.5 to 9.75 billion people most people begin a massive die off based solely on there just not being enough arable land to grow food on.

      You talk about people and listening to God. Well maybe, just maybe God is trying to show people down here that time is up and few are listening. They rather watch that shrill talking Miley Cyrus doing music videoes riding a giant dildo nude getting sexualy aroused than see what is really happening to THEIR little world around them. I can tell you right now, math and numbers that DON’T lie are saying it is getting real close. Prepare, become a prepper/survivalist that absolutely know best, for it NOW and continue to do so because it is coming. coming like a runaway train.

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      • QuantumBubbler says:

        Give me sand and buckets of vegetable matter to rot and I can make growing soil. Need farm land? Use containers. Maybe some will survive. The cities attract and make people lazy towards living. In 2006 we passed the point where more people live in cities. If we’re lucky, only these appendages will die. Perhaps becoming hell-holes where people who love hell can live. no prob.

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        • Be informed says:

          You are a survivalist, 99% of the population IS NOT. At a certain point there will NOT be enough land to grow enough food, period. People can talk about growing food on rooftops and creating all sorts of artificial growing areas of food. IT WON’T WORK ON A MASS SCALE, NO WAY. There is also the simple problem of enough light, warm enough weather long enough during the year, water, and food for plants. Again, you are a survivalist as most people on this site are, 99% of the are not. There will certainly be a mass die off, and or a mass plague from this. NO billions of more people CANNOT live on this planet without dire consequences that will curb the population. This is the way nature works.

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          • QuantumBubbler says:

            “IT WON’T WORK ON A MASS SCALE, NO WAY”.

            I agree. I don’t like my or anyone elses individual being involved in and relying on ‘MASS SCALES’. Modern life it seems has taken on responsibility for 99% of our living arrangements. That accounts for people’s time for luxurious relaxation before the boob tube. They will hit the ground with a dud. I have spent about 10 minutes a day learning container and wild gardening. I predict I will have to work about two hours a day for full implementation. Better than eight hours a day serving the beast so lifeless forms huddled before the cold glow of tv can talk bad about and even plot civil war against the very ones feeding them!

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      • AnAngryJew says:

        I am neither a liberal or republican. I am a moderate.

        Land is not an issue. We will build up. We have plenty of space in the air.

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      • Not so Much says:

        ” I don’t want to hear they could eat the cows and be okay”

        Not to mention that hindus don’t eat beef. The cow is sacred over there….

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    32. Anon says:

      One more crank, no more than two and POP GO’S THE WEASEL!

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    33. Ronald says:

      Well its that time again, What time is that? Time to vote! They have been pretty quiet about about that this time.It may be to late to take ground back but i’m not going to just give it to the bastards.

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    34. king krazy says:

      In the end we all are dead anyways. I have no choice but to believe in God and the afterlife because the alternative is unthinkable.

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      • Barn Cat says:

        Simply believing in God is not enough. Satan believes in God but his destiny is still the lake of fire. You have to repent of your sins, accept what Jesus did on the cross as payment for those sins, and then accept Jesus as Lord. If you follow God with your whole heart He will make wonderful changes in your heart and in your life.

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    35. If you live in NJ you can vote for a third party (or fourth or fifth…not sure) instead of the usual suspects.

      On the ballot for the governor’s race is a candidate by the name of Jeff Boss. The name of his party is “NSA did 9-11″”. lol. Sounds like my kind of tin foiler.

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    36. eeder says:

      There is a very disturbing sign that has been installed on the north hill of Wiarton in my neck of the woods here in Canada. The north hill of Wiarton is the road leading to the peninsula that I live on that is about 70 miles or so to the tip of. There is a national park at the northern end of the peninsula. Anyhow, as per this new sign, it seems that the peninsula I live on has been designated as a UNESCO heritage preserve. I got news for the UN. It is not advisable that you come and assert your self claimed authority here. Agenda 21 is not welcome here and I am certain will not be tolerated by the majority of the people that live here. Why not just take the sign down and take your agenda somewhere else.

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    37. Old Vet says:

      I must agree with other commenters on the site. Americans must be disarmed before any total take over can occur. They (TPTB) know one thing for sure they just can’t start coming for them out right as in confiscation. To me they are showing a turn in program with will evolve food, water and/or electricity. Another, is a law banning firearms with no penalty if you turn them in, beware (turn in one to get your name removed) of this because you will have to show ID and the checkout lists are confirmed for those that fall for that. I know there’s more ways they are scheming to pull to get the job done. Anyway they decide to pull it off it will lead to a bloody conflict, they know this, and be known they do not have enough boots on the ground to even start. Disarmament must happen, but deep down inside of them they know it will never totally happen. If you are scared like me of what is coming, but FOR GOD’S SAKES DON’T LET THEM SEE IT! Perhaps today is a good day to die.

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      • MongoPissed says:

        “Perhaps today is a good day to die.” A warrior speaks. A man unafraid of death will prevail. A man with no spirit will not risk his life, since that is all he believes in. My father said he saw atheists on Guadalcanal lining up to see a priest, after the first Jap naval bombardment from the Slot.

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        • Facebook Page says:

          Today is never a good day to die. Today is avoid day for your enemy to die. Get that mindset and maybe some will actually start to stand up and do something to get our freedoms back.

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    38. EastTenn says:

      Considering half my pay check is either to pay for my mortgage or a piece of property i purchased, I am heavy in to property. What I do find interesting though is the company i work for is spending over 2 billion over the next few years in expansion projects. I wonder if the higher uppers are spending the dollars now before they become worthless later. Personally, 2013 has been the best year financially for me ever due to 800 plus hours of overtime. So I understand why some people are fooled that things are getting better. I work in the chemical industry and the United States is still a world leader in that industry and expanding due to low natural gas prices compared to the rest of the world. If you are looking for a new career, the chemical industry is a good choice

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      • SilverSax says:

        Hey, neighbor, I’m from East Tennessee originally (Knox County). I live on the west side of Atlanta now.
        Sure wish I could move back up there – maybe around Norris Lake somewhere, but it doesn’t look like it will ever happen.
        What part of East TN are you in? I understand if you don’t want to say.

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        • EastTenn says:

          Hey Silverax, I live in The Tri-City metro area. Norris Lake is a nice lake and probably one of the cleanest of the TVA lakes. I would move back up here ASAP if you are living near Atlanta. That place will become a hell-hole very quickly when SHTF.

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          • SilverSax says:

            I’d love to, but it ain’t gonna happen. My whole life’s here now.
            But I’d sure like to live in Carter County too. That’s a beautiful part of the world.

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    39. When Jesus Christ finally arrives (And He is coming very soon.)many will change their tunes. Until He does arrive there will be much death and destruction for all to witness and experience. Trust in God and His son Jesus Christ and pray to be spared. The way you believe and live life is what is going to determine your fate not only here on earth now, but eternally.

      You may choose denial of truth but eventually you will accept it even if your not willing to. Just remember that what you prefer to, and may, believe and/or do is not necessarily truth/right but desire and willingness to do wrong.

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    40. mike says:

      To all who have been discussing the doom and gloom reports. I understand why you feel the way you do. There have been many who have reported that disaster would happen at this time or that. I know it gets old. It will happen though due a list of many reasons.
      1- Refusal to believe in God or abide by his laws.
      2- E.M.P. caused by nuclear device or solar flare.
      3- Economic collapse caused by over printing of a currency that is backed by nothing.
      4- Natural disasters.
      5- Over population of the world causing starvation.
      6- Pandemic.
      7- A major war.

      Of the seven that I can think of there are several other things that could take place to effect the timing of any or all of the above. In no particular order what comes to mind is

      1- Terrorist attack using nuclear or biological weapons.
      2- Cyber attack on or electrical grid by a country or terrorist.
      3- A natural disaster that causes the economic system to fail.
      4- A slow decline in the economic system eventually resulting in the loss of confidence in the fiat currency. ( I believe this is what is currently occurring )
      5 – A war that causes the economic system to collapse.
      6 – A war that ends with the use of nuclear or biological weapons.
      7- A civil war in the U.S. caused by racial tension or economic despair.
      8- A civil war caused by the over reach of the gov’t and an attempt to limit free speech and confiscate weapons.
      9 – Riots caused by economic despair, racial tension, or loss of freedom. This would then possibly cause the collapse.
      10 – Too many people relying on government assistance. No workers and all takers equals collapse. ( this is currently happening. )
      11 – Total decline in morals caused by lack of belief in God. This history shows eventually ends in collapse.
      12 – Obama care causes the collapse of the system due to economic pressures on company’s and individuals.
      13 – Losing the status of worlds reserve currency.
      14 – A sharp spike in interest rates that the fed is currently trying to keep artificially low.
      15 – Israel attacks Iran’s nuclear program which then causes a major war.
      16 – A huge increase in the price of oil caused by a strike on Iran or a terrorist attack.
      17- Drought which causes a major loss in our food supply.
      18- Crash of the European Union which in turn causes the U.S. system to crash.
      19 – Immigration reform which strains the already week economic system.
      20 – A major earth quake or other disaster on the east coast.
      21- Any disaster man made or natural that takes out our oil refineries.

      These are just some of the things that come to mind. Wars, economics, and disasters all could effect the timing and outcome of all predictions. They all are so interrelated. Historically speaking wars usually follow bad economic times. Political decisions that have been made or are currently under consideration can effect the timing as well. Not to mention mother nature and the wrath of God that could occur to cause life as we know to change. Sorry to all if I have rambled but just in the mood to ramble.
      All of these reasons are why we prep. The system is so fragile. The system could last for many more years or could collapse tomorrow. As for late 2014 or early 2015 who knows. I do know that Obama care will hurt the economy greatly then. I do believe that Israel could and probably will attack Iran before then. I actually think that that prediction is probably accurate but I would have thought the system would have collapsed before now. I check shtf plan and other sites to stay abreast on everything that is going on. I would love to have early warning on when it happens. Remember it is better to be a year early then a day late. Sometimes it does way on me and can be depressing because of how times have changed over the last 30 years. I have realized that inside I am a planner and I enjoy prepping. To all that worry about timing. Stay vigilante, patient, and alert. It is coming at some point.
      Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!!!

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      • Be informed says:

        @ Mike. EXCELLENT comment. It sure seems like another Sodom and Gomorrah is way overdue doesn’t it? Could it be San Francisco (central point of sodomy) and Los Angeles (central point of the evil that goes out to the whole world from the hollyweird film industry)? The San Andreas is way overdue to break in the southern section, overdue in the central and northern section. The whole fault breaking is more than possible if there is enough momentum from the south to continue to San Francisco. I can’t think of two cities other than New York and Washington DC that a mega natural disaster that would rival Sodom and Gomorrah than these two cities. Can anyone else out there think of any other place that would be the next Sodom and Gomorrah?

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        • old guy says:

          Sodom & Gomorrah? Very funny. Are you trying to yank folks chains? Your very intelligent and Im certain from reading your post you are not a bigot and aren’t hampered by superstition. You and I both know the earth changes,earthquakes and clatyclismic events we are experiencing have absoultly nothing to do with any of mans activities. They certianly are not gods punishment for mans sin. They are quite simply end of an age earth changing events. Mainly caused by a cyclic pole shift. These events would still be happening even if man had never walked the planet. The worlds goverments know what is occurring.They know it cant be stopped or mitigated. It don’t stop them from trying futile things like HAARP and Chemtrails ect. Thats the underlying reason for all the UN & NWO Agenda 21 bullcrap. Those in power are grasping at straws trying to position themselves . They wrongly think they can hide in places like Weather Mountian. They think after a time they can emerge unscathed and rule over everyone else. Those bunkers will more than likely be their toombs. Im kinda looking forward to the clatyclisims and mega event. Ill likely die. But man o man just think how exciting it is to be alive to experience an end of an age pole shifting earth change event. Just as well embrace the adventure. You cant avoid it so just as well put it in a positive setting.

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          • InsanityISContagious says:

            Old Guy: What IF it is not punishment, per se, but God just merely taking away his blessings from the land…leaving us to fend on our own?

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            • old guy says:

              That’s a very good question. I certainly fits the criteria of that you will reap what you sow.

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            • SilverSax says:

              Insanity, I think you’re exactly right. God doesn’t punish us for our sins – he punished Christ for our sins. Jesus took ALL the punishment. There’s none left. However, I do believe that God is withdrawing his hand of blessing from America because of our treatment of Israel.
              “And I will bless them that bless thee, and I will curse him that curseth thee…” Genesis 12:3
              The more we try to remove the Promised Land from Israel, the more trouble we have. The notion of a Palestinian State on stolen Jewish land is a HUGE mistake.

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              • Pissed Off Granny says:

                SilverSax:

                Either you are jewish or you have one of those preachers Christ talks about in Revelation that is going to end up in the lake of fire for their false teachings.

                The Israel that the Lord was talking about was “His Church and HIS believers”. It was not the Jews in their stolen land of Palestine. Do you not know that God gave Israel a new name and that name is CHRISTIANS?

                To have written the truth your last sentences should have read:

                The more we try to remove the promised land from America the more trouble we have. The notion of a Jewish State on stolen Palestinian land is not only a huge mistake; it is what is going to bring on WW3 and the NWO.

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                • SilverSax says:

                  Wrong. The Bible makes it plain that the Jewish State of Israel is alive and well today, and is in God’s plans for the future.
                  You’re a victim of “replacement theology”, which was dreamed up by Augustine.

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                • SilverSax says:

                  “For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, ‘The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob,’” (Rom. 11:25-26).

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                • SilverSax says:

                  In Revelation we see 144,000 Jews being “sealed”…12,000 from EACH TRIBE OF ISRAEL. The tribes are even named.
                  The last verse of the book of Amos reveals God’s intent to return Israel to its land AND NEVER AGAIN REMOVE THEM FROM THE LAND. This was fulfilled in 1948.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Old guy. There is actually science behind extreme negativity whereever that may be. Balance must be met. Evil cannot continue to exist in any concentrated amount. Much of what they call superstitution has some validity with it. Throughout history of mankind through God or just through the mere fact of necessary cleansing true hellholes have been purged or changed for the better. I try not to become an individual that is radical towards anything, but I always see breaking points that must fracture. I also know that California has been put into a gelological circumstance that it must move northwest soon, and this movement will flatten most of man’s structures that have been built there. Much of the evil comes from California that poisons the country and world deeply and is becoming even more rampant.

            I of course cannot say that God plans anything or that man’s activities are going to cause the mega disasters. It could be that certain people migrate to areas destined already to be doomed. Sodom and Gomorrah occurred for some reason. It could have been a rogue comet or asteroid impact like suggested by iridium deposits at the same time this happened. I try though not to discount the possibility that both of these cities were annihilated for some reason by someone because it became so horrible, but it did happen.

            I just know that evil and unfairness are totally out of control and something must come to a head. It could be war or some terrorism that takes out a city, two, three or a couple dozen like the fictional TV show Jericho. From a balance of energy point of view, negative energy has overwhelmed the world. It is strange to see just how basic morality and decency has died and the turning to this negative energy is so widespread. A generation or two ago as you and many people can remember, the normal sickness that is so widely accepted and desired would never have been part of so many of the majority’s lives as it is now. People just didn’t want back then.

            From a scientific point of view you can say that people are reverting back to a much more animalistic way of life and losing any intellect and spiritual sense. By doing this perhaps they butter their own bread and sow their own demise. The earthquake and volcanic increase could be nothing but the planet’s cycle over billions of years. The decay of human civilization has to do with the failure of human beings as a species.

            I don’t play well with coincidences. Sodom and Gomorrea or what happened with the Portugal earthquake that destroyed that mini empire that exploited countless South American and Central American Indian people for nothing but greed. The mini Ice Age that decimated the evil European empires and their crops, leading to all sorts of sickness from starvation and the black death, the plague. Weather played in favor of the successful invasion of Normandy and the ultimate destruction of Hitler and the Nazis. There are many other examples in which the physical world wnet against truly evil empires. Coincidences, maybe, maybe not.

            Looking at this from a pure chance idea, it sure seems like something was playing against the true evil of the past events. From a skeptics’ view one could say it was just ignorance of the world around them that got people like Napoleon, and Hitler screwed by not understanding the Russian winter. One though has to ask why did two of the most hideous points of human kind get destroyed, why those two areas? From that science angle you could say that negative energy can only exist for so long before it collapses in on itself. Most likely too many examples of this happening to discount as pure chance. There could be a lot more than we understand is going on, I think you probably see this as you are well schooled in many matters.

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            • old guy says:

              ok I think for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So for the most part everything comes out even steven. Im not so certain than any place or people are more evil than any other place. Detriot is pretty bad. So is north little rock ar. If I add the fact that both those places are inhabited by mostly black folks im suddenly a racisist. I actually try to be indifferent about lifestyles and folks color,s but some shure make it hard. Where I used to live there are very few blacks, Mexicans and queers. Yet the jail is always full. and the corruption is unbelieveable. The prosecuter was arrested for mailing some person a poison copperhead snake. the municipal judges secetary who happened to be the police chiefs wife was dealing dope from the judges law office. A dozen Unsolved murders. Corrupt elected officials that are more fiscally irresponsible than those in Washington. All in a county with a pop of 8000 . Its a hideous place probably more so percentage wise than San francisco . Yet there are many good folks there also. That’s the problem when we let our feeling and perception get involved and we judge a person or place. From what I read and hear DC and the east coast is on par with san Francisco and calif. But I don’t know that because I haven’t any hard facts. For me the best thing to do with a bible is let it collect dust. Ill continue to try and do what Jesus advocated in the sermon on the mount.

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              • Facebook Page says:

                Faith and religion are two completely different things. If more would figure that out this would be a quieter world to live in.

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                • Kulafarmer says:

                  I know for sure i am sick of people telling me that i need to have their religion to have faith, total crap, there is a chirch over here that pushes their people to give 1/3 of their pay to the church in order to be truly blessed, meanwhile the ripoff scammer pastor lives in a 9,000 sf mansion drives a mercedes and wears a big diamond pinky ring, lame,
                  My faith requires nothing of me other than a conscious contact with my higher power (God)
                  I am a man and am imperfect,
                  You know what they did with yhe last perfect carpenter dont you?

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        • Mike says:

          BI yes we are overdue for another Sodom or Gomorrah. I think most people can feel something is wrong or something is coming in there gut. If they are honest with there own self. 4 or 5 years ago we had a 5.8 earthquake here in Va. It caused the North Anna Nuclear Power station to shut down for months. I was told the station was designed to handle a 6.0. News releases said that a 5.8 here was a worse than it would be on the west coast due to the difference in the ground here. I did not know that we were close to a fault until then. I know it is unlikely but if we had a major quake I cannot imagine the damage it would cause.
          As far as the next Sodom and Gomorrah’s. We are overdue for sure. It may just happen to the entire developed world due to over printing fiat curency, loss of morals, and increase in population. One thing is for sure. It will happen.

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    41. loup says:

      the one thing most do not understand is that we are in the middle of a system collapse as we speak. people think that we will have a event to cause catastrophe, maybe we will but in the meantime we are in the middle of a slow motion break down in the U>S> that most people do not see as long as their benefits are on time, as long as they can get on facebook and tell the world their business, and as long as they can eat out at kfc,mcDump, or watch some stupid reality show! wake up fools its not a matter of when, its happening already! good luck to everyone that has a clue and the rest of you…………..

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    42. Be informed says:

      @ SmokinOkie. I saw that video of the 7 year old in the Ku Klux Klan outfit for Halloween and do you know what was the most commented reason for why he should not be allowed to dress up like this? It offends a lot of people. Well, it seems in the United States of America that we have something called the First Amendment that protects ALL of us to allow us to express the way we feel no matter how many people it offends.

      This poison that is political correctness is extremely dangerous to ALL of our freedoms. It is the foundation that those that wish to enslave the population play on all the time. The more imbeciles that believe that the Constitution needs to be changed or dumped because of political correctness and the need to not offend anyone, the more of the chance of it actually happening. The 2nd Amendment is next in line to prevent people from defending themselves against a tyrannical government.

      I use the word spook all the time to describe the frightened state of people before something awful is ready to happen. Dictionary defintion means to frighten. Yet you are so correct that the word is now taboo because it MIGHT offend someone. Spook, spook, spook, spook, spook, spook, spook, spook, spook, spook……………

      Truly SmokieOkie, it SPOOKS me how our basic and most cherished freedoms are under attack that would abolish 200+ years of that freedom based solely on that certain people are offended. Just look at many of these hellholes that don’t even allow the expressions of Christmas. No light, no bulbs, no trees, no shiny tinsel, no Christmas songs, or anything. All because some cockheads don’t like to see other people happy once a freakening time a year. Yet if you try to censor some minority icon from being displayed then they sure use that First Amendment protection. How many people are offended by these homo pride marches in which these characters are dressed up like flaming perverts? Where is this being offensive to many come into play here? That is okay, but the display of the Virgin Mary that brings happiness to many is banned?

      That is the real underlying issue here. Those too stupid and based in a level of being a mongoloid don’t even begin to understand that censorship based of being offensive to one works ALL ways against freedom. Eventually IF and when the freedoms are totally restricted EVERYONE other than those in control suffer horribly. Political correctness is one of the true measures of absolute stupidity in a country that has the guarantee of freedom of expression for ALL no matter how it MIGHT offend someone.

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      • old guy says:

        Be Informed you are right. We have a god given counstitional right to be racist if we so desire. The real test is would you defend the counstitional right of someone doing something that you strongly believe is wrong? That’s the problem I have with any organized religion. I believe in separation of church and state. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion. When government and religion are combined religion is the excuse & tool used for enslaving the subjects. During The inquisition when the church & government was entwined many horrible acts of torture where commited in the name of religion. Religious zealots and political correctness advocates scare me worse than the NWO. I perceive them as a bigger threat.

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        • Smokey says:

          If you want to see what happens when religion and government combine to become the state, along with an ignorant populace, look no further than Islam.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Smokey. There is so much total wisdom on this site from so many people like yourself that the government must hate SHTFPLAN for seeking the truth. Well said about Islam and so sadly true.

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        • InsanityISContagious says:

          As a religious person, Old Guy, I totally agree with you because what happens with religious zealots is they remove themselves entirely from any perceived punishment regarding their actions. They hide behind the EXCUSE of their interpretation of God. so then add the power of a government together with them believing that a supreme being is saying, “Go on, you will be doing my will”…recipe for disaster.

          Hence, the need for separation of state and religion.

          However, regular religious folks’ behavior is typically held in check by two things: God foremost, and the law of the land second.

          On the other hand, what is the only reason an atheist is held in check? Usually, the law of the land holds them in check.

          …so what happens when the land of the land breaks down (as has happened in America) and there are NO believed religious consequences to speak of?

          …America 2014.

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          • old guy says:

            so what happens when the land of the land breaks down (as has happened in America) and there are NO believed religious consequences to speak of? The laws of cause & effect will apply. Karma will eventually even the score. Im the meantime it will be root hawg or die. Survival of the fittest. No one will be raptured. No ones belief in their preferred religious superstition will feed protect or guarantee their survival in any way. Just my opinion I could be wrong?

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            • InsanityISContagious says:

              Old Guy:

              Pascal’s Wager.

              Honestly, everybody must find their own path…whether one believes in a supreme being or not.

              Karma works because everybody is connected on a molecular level. Ever think of something and then it happens…something you hadn’t thought of in, say, years…then suddenly you have the thought and it occurs the very next day?

              If you were to look at the Bible (and I admit going through multiple re-translations through the ages hasn’t helped the Bible one bit), but Christ had said, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” He is referring to when he will be returning to Earth in physical form….so not even Christ knows when that will happen.

              It is really, really hard to understand biblical time frames.

              It is easier when you think of how many days it takes the Earth to revolve about the sun (364-1/4 days) — that is considered an Earth “year.” Now think of a year in Jupiter terms….11.86 of Earth’s years…so 1 year on Jupiter is equal to 11.86 years on Earth.

              Now you begin to understand God’s time frame. Such as creating the world in 6 days and then he rested…what did those 6 days really equal to?…we ALWAYS assume he meant Earth days.

              Anyway, to answer your question: It has been foretold that there would be such a breakdown and that this Earth will know sorrow beyond belief prior to the day of Christ’s return.

              I personally have seen prophecies talked about as a child being fulfilled…it is spooky as all get-out.

              Noah is a sublime example of what happened when society broke down…God cleansed the Earth. There is also actual scientific data to document a VERY large flood…and hush-hush rumors of the ark being found in Arab territory.

              Also too, you are assuming that God will “save” believers. Save them from what? It has been said that if you COULD see heaven, you would kill yourself to get there (which we know is considered a big no-no whether you believe in God or not).

              What if you, me, and Joe Schmoe made an agreement to only be here long enough to help out during the trouble times? Why do you think you see really polar opposites right now? Very valiant men and women and very evil men and women…hardly anybody in the middle.

              Long story short…whether it happens or not, I personally would rather err on the side of caution…nothing to lose, but plenty to gain.

              ;-)

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          • Kevin2 says:

            I have a WWII German belt buckle that says, Gott Mitt Uns; translated, God is with us. God is on everyones side in war with one exception; just ask the participants. The communists were the only people that were honest regarding this.

            I had a Baptist Preacher, my wife’s Uncle tell me that the US has lost wars post WWII because we turned away from God: Onward Christian soldiers.

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      • Sick of it all says:

        AMEN. I totally agree IN GOD WE TRUST.

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    43. Orlandocon says:

      “They don’t believe it can happen, you won’t convince them, and they are doing nothing to prepare and insulate themselves for when it does.”

      Wnt through this in the early 2000′s. we are in construction so of course, most of our friends are too, and when the housing boom was going on I kept telling our friends to stop taking $10,000 African hunting trips, pay off their houses and cars ect. No go, none would listen.

      Most lost their homes and everything else, people who had built thousands of houses for other people were then stuck renting dumps because all their money was gone.

      We paid our house, cars and trucks off, all the toys are paid, no savings left but no debt either.

      You just can’t help some people.

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    44. thisTexan has had enough says:

      What bothers me about the KKK Halloween costume is the 7 year old did not think of it on his own. Why would a child that young know anything about the Klan?
      I lived in Atlanta in the 50′s and saw crosses burning with my own eyes but I am old. How would a kid know who or what the KKK was?

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      • Ancient Echoes says:

        Simple answer to your question: he was KKK in a prior life and remembers it!

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      • old guy says:

        Don’t be so hard on the little trick or treeter. His folks are just fed up and are trying to bring him up to know what it means to be white. I bet he scared the crap out of all the little black kids and jew kids!!!

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    45. Holder: We Might Still Prosecute Zimmerman

      the fuck you will

      maybe we might prosecute you first!

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    46. Ugly says: