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    Ron Paul: “It’s A Worldwide Phenomenon; A Lot More Chaos Yet to Come” *Video*

    Mac Slavo
    May 3rd, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    On the heels of a scathing assessment by Nigel Farage on the economic conditions in Europe which he says will ultimately lead to violent revolution, former US congressman Ron Paul and well known investor Jim Rogers weigh in on the discussion.

    Undeterred by those who fail to heed his warnings, Dr. Paul suggests that global economic conditions, spearheaded by out-of-control government policies in the United States, will continue to deteriorate until such time that the whole system comes unhinged.

    With financial markets hitting all-time highs, jubilation spreading throughout Wall Street, and average Mom & Pop Americans wondering if it’s time to plunge back in to stocks, Paul sees no reason for celebration.

    The economy worldwide, certainly in the States, is a lot weaker than they tell us.

    I believe that the unemployment rate in the United States is over 20%.

    I think there’s still inflation with the dollar… Everybody knows that they’re printing $85 billion a month… that could be considered inflation.

    You still have inflation, and that’s distortion… you have malinvestment… so you still have the built in problems, and we have plenty.

    I would expect that there’s going to be a lot more chaos yet to come. It will not be limited to Europe. I think it will be a worldwide phenomenon.

    That states won’t escape it either because there are so many gross distortions throughout the world….

    We disobeyed economic law… and you can’t do that, no matter what Bernanke tells you.

    Sourced via Steve Quayle, Infowars, ZeroHedge

    Jim Rogers, also a featured speaker at the Sovereign Man offshore tactics workshop, joins forces with Ron Paul and suggests that those very policies implemented by Ben Bernanke and his global banking cohorts, are the problem, not the solution.

    Rogers cites a previous exchange between Ron Paul and Fed chief Ben Bernanke, in which Bernanke outright declared that gold is not money, further cementing his reputation as nothing more than a monetary charlatan:

    The present head of the central bank does not understand economics, he does not understand finance, he does not understand currencies. All he understands is printing money. His whole intellectual career has been devoted to the study of printing money. And, as you know, we have given him the printing presses.

    That strategy, of course, will be disastrous. It’ll further impoverish Americans by reducing wages relative to rising prices for essential goods, while increasing the national debt to unmanageable levels.

    What comes next, according to Rogers and Paul, will take the majority of the population by surprise because most people simply can’t fathom the possibility of such a thing ever happening in the Land of the Free:

    Rogers: They will take our retirement accounts. They will take our 401k’s. They will say, ‘you’ve all been having such a hard time earning money in your 401k’s, so what we’re going to do is we’re going to save you.’

    Paul: I don’t doubt it for a minute. They’ll do what they think is necessary. and they’ll use force, and they’ll use intimidation, and they’ll use guns. Because, you can’t challenge the state and you can’t challenge the State’s so-called right to control the money… I think that’s very possible at that time when things get a lot rockier than they are now.

    There are well informed students of economics, financial markets and history. They understand that global governments, especially in Europe and the United States, have bitten off more than they can chew. And they see a continuation of the same policies that have led to the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression.

    Moreover, they understand, like many other concerned and informed Americans, that when the real crash comes it will be worse than anything we’ve ever experienced before.

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    1. Tick-tock, tick-tock, the economic time (censored by BATFE) is set to go off when? Yeah, the controlled demolition is right on schedule. Little by little, then all at once, right?

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      • OutWest says:

        I can’t believe for all that we know collectively on
        this site about what is coming, whenever I talk with
        someone on the street all I get is a blank stare.

        They don’t seem to know or realize anything. Nothing?
        C’mon! I mean nothing??
        Do these people live in a cave, or What?

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        • aerograd says:

          “Do these people live in a cave, or What?”

          Not yet…

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          • possee says:

            Welcome to my sphere..Cape Cod..
            Houses are being built& new business construction everywhere..new medical units..new schools & libraries at the the tune of 10′s of millions each..new fire and police stations..everyone driving new cars..everyone out at packed restaurants..contractors and landscapers driving new 40+k vehicles..everyone has a 4g cell phone worth 700 bucks..

            Homes are remodeled and pools being built..

            Meanwhile I’m at the bottom of the pit scraping by and working my ass off to stay afloat at 60 years old as a chef..

            Am I living in a parallel universe or what..?

            possee

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            • durango kidd says:

              No Posse: You just made choices early in life for a career field that hasn’t “panned” out. Forgive the pun. Its the American Way: Personal initiative, personal responsibility, and personal reward, equate to personal achievement, or not. Its rugged individualism at its best and worst.

              Not everyone is a winner. But everyone can play to win. Life is not about winning or losing: its how you play the game that counts. Its about expressing what is inside, outside and being all that you can be and do with the talents God gave you.

              Fortune is often fickle but don’t give up. Col. Sanders didn’t make it big until he was 65 years old. More often than not, those who win big early, lose later in life when mistakes become more costly, because they didn’t learn the lessons they needed to learn early on. I have seen it many times.

              There but for the grace of God go I. Good luck. Keep on, keeping on. The race belongs to those who will not yield. disappointment can make you stronger, smarter, wiser, and prepare you for a door that the Lord has yet to open for you.

              Be ready. It only takes an hour to change the life of any man or woman. How will HE find you in that hour? That is the question.

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              • durango kidd says:

                In another note; a few months ago I said the world was “awash in oil and gas”. I took some heat for that, including from the famous “Dr. Oil”. Remember? The “Stanford PHD” ?

                “Suddenly, out of nowhere, the world seems to be awash in hydrocarbons,” says Michael Greenstone, an environmental economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.” Here’s the Link:

                http://finance.yahoo.com/news/technology-propels-old-energy-boom-155331085.html

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                • Them Guys says:

                  DK remember to Add me to the “small” group of peak oil deniers. Wait till new knowledge just a couple yrs old(maybe 3 yrs) surfaces when it cannot be held back by msm or big oil etc. I speak of two scientists who wrote their book and many articles about fake peak oil at WND website back then.

                  Seems they discovered and Proved in controlled science Labs/experiments that Oil is NOT due to “Dinosaurs and old trees or leaves or mulch” heated and compressed millions of years.

                  Oil they proved is due to ONGOING never ending process of Enzymes deep in crust of earth that act similar to Honey Bees. IE: Enzymes Eat Carbon and Excrete Oil. It is also combined with Hydrogen taken from the H2O aka Ocean water these enzymes divide into Hydrogen and mix with carbon or something like that.

                  Their articles explain it all very good. Acording to them two guys, Oil will NEVER run dry as it is constantly replaced, same as Oxygen we breath is replaced by Natural process of Green plants etc Eat CO2 and Sunlight hits green plants and turns it into oxygen and Dew(water).

                  Its called “Photo Synthysis” that replenishes it so we keep Breating and remain alive! It was taught in 2nd grade science class when I was a kid. Too bad todays “Global warming human caused due to co2″ never seemed to Learn about this Fact huh.

                  Anyways these two guys also re-opened about 2/3rds of Dry oil wells all over america and found most were Refilling with New Oil! Many folks who Owned property with dry oil wells were happy to reopen wells and make big $$$ again due to their findings. Of the refilling wells some were near top full. Most were as much as 65% refilled and Gaining. Seems if they are correct we never will run out of oil. I doubt big oil corps desire us to learn of this info as it may create problems charging an arm and leg for a gallon of gas then huh.

                  It would also likly destroy whatever is left of the Al Gore Loony bin squads roaming america hugging trees etc.(and who drive cars or take planes or charter busses to each protest area! Make Me prez and My first exec order will be fed law to FORCE enviro whackos to abandon all forms gas or diesel use and WALK or Ride a Bicycle if they insist on desciding what all others can use or drive!)

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              • possee says:

                Thanks dk

                I was referring to the absolute wealth abounding here..as if there is no recession or depression as mentioned so often on all the alt media sites.Everyone is spending as there’s no tomorrow,including local and state govts.

                We are told that the economy is failing yet absolutely no evidence in this area at all..

                We are told the middle class and small businesses are being “eviscerated” nationwide yet all here are purchasing new vehicles,second homes, lavish vacations,new businesses thriving etc etc..

                Perhaps I am living in an area unaffected..throughout New England those middle class and businesses are doing just fine..

                We hear of the millions unemployed,destitute,homeless,businesses closing..where are they?
                Can it be that they all are on govt assistance and ebt cards..?

                I for one have never given in and enjoy my profession immensely..and at least have my preps in order in all aspects of food,water,and brass..just in case..

                possee

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                • OutWest says:

                  possee

                  You know, sometimes we get to falling so hard that we
                  almost hit bedrock. But I just look at it as being a
                  prepper/survivalist with first-hand experience.

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                • Merree says:

                  Possee
                  I wonder how many of them are supported by borrowing and debt. There can be a great deal of activity on the surface but the underlying structure can be rotten.

                  I know one person I work with. He and his wife both drive nice cars but they do not own them. My car is paid for and I own all of it but is is not as nice as theirs. When one of them had a car accident, the insurance company wanted to pay the value of the car which was less than what was owed.

                  I think there are a lot of people struggling but putting the face of prosperity when interacting with others.

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                • Red Leader says:

                  It is all a bubble base on cheap printed digital money. Gold is money. Dollars are currency.

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                • Secret squirrel says:

                  Possee
                  Imho what u are seeing is the credit lifestyle, if you are like me you drive
                  A 80s model truck and keep it running, if you need something, you wait until payday.
                  But the majority of ppl live on the phony credit system, and they buy and buy
                  Yet never really own anything. I work in construction and ppl here in Texas are doing remodels and alot of new const.
                  Mostly comercial.

                  I would say in my area,
                  10% are aware
                  15% have an idea somethin is amis
                  The rest are clueless

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              • Not so Much says:

                @Posee & Kidd

                “Col. Sanders didn’t make it big until he was 65 years old.”

                From what I understand, he actually started by selling his chicken out of his car. Ya never know what little bean can become a beanstalk.

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                • JayJay says:

                  Oh, California illegals are following in Col. Sander’s footsteps!!!

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                • AnonLegion says:

                  not so much, close but the car was in a parking spot :)
                  he sold it out of his living quarters next to the station.

                  1930 Sanders opened a service station in Corbin, Kentucky where he cooked chicken dishes and other meals such as country ham and steaks for customers.

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              • Laura says:

                I have never seen so many shallow cliches strung together in an one response ….anywhere. L

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              if your able, it may be time to take advantage of a great market, sell your place (if you own one) and gtfo of CC.

              I can’t imagine that living with so many dumbed-down people is healthy…no less being caught up in it.

              There are lots of opportunities for an experience chef in much safer, less populated areas possee.

              Brother, “free you mind and your ass will follow.”

              Go west my friend and God bless you.

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              • Them Guys says:

                JayJay, Taint no Thang. butta Chikin Wang!

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              • possee says:

                Thank you all for your support..

                My entire family is based here..
                And here is where I’ll stand.. as without my 3 kids(young adults now)life would be meaningless.

                I am now a grandfather(my son USMC gunner 50 cal and rifleman) and have twins on the way with my only daughter..same town.. they are my kin,my love, and my nourishment spiritually..they are all prepared in their own ways and we have all agreed that should the proverbial occur..this is home base..

                They all know how to shoot,cook, clean and prepare..

                Guess we’ll be the clan up here in the northeast..

                Again thanks..

                possee

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            • P.A. farmer says:

              I know were your coming from, I farm, an work in a small garge I have down in town, I work 7 days a week 365, seems like the only time I’m cleaned up is to go to a Funeral. I out there when they go to work an when they come home, in there 40k Vehicles, his an her’s, big house, an other toys. sight see’ers diving by on the weekends eatn Icecream, I’m still working. But thats ok cause, they dont fool me I know there up to there neck. Broke, with payment books. I’ve done ok ,I’m happy, I dont owe anybody a penny”Taxes” my money go toward pep,s..when shtf they might want to sale me. some of that junk Cheap!

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              • JayJay says:

                P.A. farmer; probably can’t–it’s all mortgaged, hocked, or bought on credit!!
                We owe only for our house, will NEVER get it paid for.
                I just think of it as renting with homeowner’s and prop. taxes.

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                • Marcus of Arrington says:

                  Brother,… well you got it Right , SPOT ON as the Aussies say.

                  As long as you “own it” you NEVER DO OWN IT. Else property taxes would be un-necessary after you paid it off (once), Yeah?

                  love your verbiage Man. You Rock!

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            • Anonymous says:

              if tthe end is near wouldn’t it then make sense to buy a vehicle on credit, take out a loan and buy a bugout cabin on land, since when the shtf no one is going to come after you to repossess them–maybe the rich ARE smarter–

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        • KP89DC says:

          OW – same here, anyone I talk to looks at me like I’m crazy, that’s why they’re the “sheeple”.

          Molon Labe

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          • KY Mom says:

            SCIENTISTS’ ALARM: NEW STRAIN OF KILLER FLU CREATED IN CHINESE LAB…

            “Experts warn of danger that the new viral strains created by mixing bird-flu virus with human influenza could escape from the laboratory to cause a global pandemic killing millions of people.”

            Hybrid virus…

            Drudge Report
            (direct links below)

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          • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

            I always hear my white brothers at work bitchin about bho. When I ask who they voted for I get the “look down at the ground and well I didn’t vote”. That’s when I say “bho is happy to get your vote” and the “welfare scum likes their obama phone” and stuff like that. We are doomed to a collapse and it is so avoidable.

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            • JustMe says:

              They refuse to get it. They have been conditioned not to.

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            • JayJay says:

              ~~~We are doomed to a collapse and it is so avoidable.~~~

              NOT!!

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            • anonymous6.8 says:

              64 Echo Mike: Several theses: source for the sociology …G. William Domhoff, Who Rules America? challenges to corporate and class dominance, 6th ed. There is a web site, search it.

              The power elite exists. It isn’t monolithic but they have certain common foundational beliefs and goals … that they are fit to and do rule us. Have from the beginning.

              Politicians aren’t the pe. They are selected and funded by it to serve the pe. That so many think they “represent us” is one of the world’s most successful propaganda jobs. It doesn’t matter which major party one votes for, they all represent the pe.

              Our $100 donations don’t buy those television media campaigns that get political weasels elected. Old money = financial elite money = Old Ivy money = warmonger money = PE mouthpiece (NYT, WP, CNN money). If you can’t get through to your US Senator to invite him to lunch confident he will meet you, you aren’t PE.

              For one hundred years since before the Federal Reserve’s creation the regulatory and legal foundation for PE power has been laid. The US Code and Code of Federal Regulations are written to favor the PE. The regulatory landscape can be tinkered with around the edges for the cameras but its heart and soul are outside of political fixing.

              I knew this was a Cold War phrase but I didn’t know it originated with Lenin. A “Useful Idiot” is someone who gives his best efforts in pursuit of a noble sounding goal, while all the time his activities further a purpose he is unaware of. And would loudly disclaim if he knew. There are millions of useful idiots in the US. You probably know at least ten.

              Not being Luther, I ran out of theses. One last: If voting changed anything it would be illegal.

              What is coming is inevitable. What isn’t inevitable is the outcome each of us faces, which intelligence, character, peer groups and luck can alter.

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          • Little Red Hen says:

            Its because they watch and get fed by the mainstream media that things are going the right direction and its all going to be good. I watch the news and read the newsfeed on the internet and things look A-OK for all of us. I don’t believe any of it!

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            • Them Guys says:

              Check this out! Written/planned back in latter 1800′s! Yet Is exactly what we see occureing regards to, destruction of christianity, and current SPYING on EVERYBODY DHS Tactics! From: #17(out of 24 total sections)

              WE SHALL DESTROY THE CLERGY
              2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE “GOYIM,” and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.

              3. When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bloodshed. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place. (Karl Rothschild acted as “peacemaker” between the Vatican and her enemies, loaning the Vatican five million pounds in a period of difficulty. Gregory XVI conferred a Papal decoration on Kalman Rothschild since when Rothschilds have been “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury”).

              4. THE KING OF THE JEWS WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH

              5. But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM . . .

              6. In general, then, our contemporary press will continue to CONVICT State affairs, religions, incapacities of the GOYIM, always using the most unprincipled expressions in order by every means to lower their prestige in the manner which can only be practiced by the genius of our gifted tribe . . . (Calling the Jim Jones massacre in Guyana a mass suicide, not a C.I.A./MK-ULTRA/U.S. Government massacre? Denying the massacre of the Branch Dravidian sect at Waco, Texas, was a needless and deliberate massacre by the B.A.T.F./F.B.I/C.I.A/U.S. Government).

              1/3rd of people will Spy on the rest!

              7. Our kingdom will be an apologia of the divinity Vishnu, in whom is found its personification – in our hundred hands will be, one in each, the springs of the machinery of social life. We shall see everything without the aid of official police which, in that scope of its rights which we elaborated for the use of the GOYIM, hinders governments from seeing. In our programs ONE-THIRD OF OUR SUBJECTS WILL KEEP THE REST UNDER OBSERVATION from a sense of duty, on the principle of volunteer service to the State. It will then be no disgrace to be a spy and informer, but a merit: unfounded denunciations, however, will be cruelly punished that there may be no development of abuses of this right.

              8. Our agents will be taken from the higher as well as the lower ranks of society, from among the administrative class who spend their time in amusements, editors, printers and publishers, booksellers, clerks, and salesmen, workmen, coachmen, lackeys, et cetera. This body, having no rights and not being empowered to take any action on their own account, and consequently a police without any power, will only witness and report: verification of their reports and arrests will depend upon a responsible group of controllers of police affairs, while the actual act of arrest will be performed by the gendarmerie and the municipal police. Any person not denouncing anything seen or heard concerning questions of polity will also be charged with and made responsible for concealment, if it be proved that he is guilty of this crime.

              WHAT REALLY IS DHS FOR?

              9. JUST AS NOWADAYS OUR BRETHREN, ARE OBLIGED AT THEIR OWN RISK TO DENOUNCE TO THE KAHAL APOSTATES OF THEIR OWN FAMILY or members who have been noticed doing anything in opposition to the KAHAL, SO IN OUR KINGDOM OVER ALL THE WORLD IT WILL BE OBLIGATORY FOR ALL OUR SUBJECTS TO OBSERVE THE DUTY OF SERVICE TO THE STATE IN THIS DIRECTION.

              10. Such an organization will extirpate abuses of authority, of force, of bribery, everything in fact which we by our counsels, by our theories of the superhuman rights of man, have introduced into the customs of the GOYIM …. But how else were we to procure that increase of causes predisposing to disorders in the midst of their administration? …. Among the number of those methods one of the most important is – agents for the restoration of order, so placed as to have the opportunity in their disintegrating activity of developing and displaying their evil inclinations – obstinate self-conceit, irresponsible exercise of authority, and, first and foremost, venality. (Janet Reno? B.A.T.F.? C.I.A.?)

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                • Them Guys says:

                  TROLL, better you direct your Hatfull anger at those who actually WROTE, what I only Posted here! IE: Transfer Your biased hate at the Zionist Congress that these Minuts of Their zionist councils Meetings were RECORDED at! Or are you just so Upset that us Goyim(hebrew for animals) have gotten Privy to it?

                  Keep hating all us goyims as we Outnumber Your evil cabal of satans children by quite a huge proportion. It is Your days that are soon to be Undone fool! Perhaps you still have time to Accpet the Lord Christ, and Convert from all your evil luciferian worships. It is called the NEW Covenant, and it is Open to jews also as well as ALL other folks! I hope my info has assisted your quest for TRUTH.

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                • Trapper says:

                  -T.G.-

                  Your words carry the weight & strength of IRON, as they are pure truth.
                  Troll-killer is a disciple of the synagogue of satan. Fear him & his tribesmen, not.
                  Our side wins in the end.
                  Their side loses and burns in HELL for eternity.
                  …in the meantime wait for the real show to begin soon, then harvest the weeds(enemy) with a vengeance, but spare the wheat(gentiles).
                  And pray hard and often.
                  There is no other way out.

                  Hope to meet you on the other side, someday.

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        • DRD5508 says:

          Just heard that unemployment is down to 7 and 1/2 %, 165,000 new jobs created. Wow next they’ll say the Dow is up…never mind they just did.
          TPTB know that the older generations know they’re lieing. It is the generations that went through the dumbing down school systems that are still believing them.
          There are so many that have no clue.

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          • Sebastion T says:

            Also, The number of employed people went down by 16,000.

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          • BigFrigginB says:

            I’m 24 and Ive known since before I can remember i was being lied too.
            A lot of the people I grew up with know too. You would be surprised at how many people actually get it they just don’t know what to do with that knowledge so they play dumb.

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            • lastmanstanding says:

              Then play dumb…but have a plan or 2.

              You must work aggressively, tirelessly and relentlessly to survive what is coming.

              I am over twice your age and that is how I live.

              BFB…”don’t go down without one helluva fight.”

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            • RickInOregon says:

              BFB, you’re right. There are a lot of people that get that something isn’t right, they can’t put their finger on it. I don’t offer answers because I don’t have any, I just listen. I will say that within my life I’ve seen our economy go from a value added economy to a value borrowed economy. I explain that a value added economy was when we would mine a rock, melt it down into steel, turn that steel into a toaster and sell it through Sears. We added value to that rock and that rock employed a lot of people and a lot of skills. We had jobs throughout the economic ladder and we had a chance to work our way up the ladder, we could be optimistic. Now we have to borrow money to buy a toaster from china and purchase it through in import distribution outlet like walmart. Our rocks are collecting moss and those that worked those rocks are collecting underemployment.

              Don’t try to understand how this happen if you don’t want to be labeled a conspiracy nut job. By seeking understanding you will go down a rabbit hole.

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            • DRD5508 says:

              Bid FB, proud of you. My son is 30 and deaf, he caught the lies also. Keep up the good work. Remember: knowledge is power and power is knowledge. Never stop searching for the truth.

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          • Them Guys says:

            Trapper, Thanks and you spoke iron truth also Brother.Now if only we can see soon a mass awkening of the tens of millions of american christians who so far reject what I and you wrote. Those christian folks have fallen for False doctrines that teach that the gospel must be preached to all races etc EXCEPT of course to the jewish folks. False teachings has them believe jews get a free pass regardless of all sins etc and an automatic entry to heaven.

            Perhaps they can consider what I hear often by such pastors sermons on tv. First they say “God is NO respector of Persons, as God consideres all folks in world as Equal in Gods sight”…..Then in their very Next breaths the spew out this “God says the Chozens are chozen and need not be believers in Christ to be saved as jews are Special to Gods eyes!”

            OK! so WHICH Is it Pastors? All are equal in Gods eyes? or as in Orwells Animal Farm book “All animals are equal, but some animals, the SWINE,(piggies) are MORE Equal at animal farm”?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Sure Hope they find out in time that only One convenant is good to go with. Christs New covenant as it says in the bible. So easy yet so hard to accept for so many todays christians huh.

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        • Vicky says:

          Same experience here. I’ve been talking (and talking) to my kids, who smile and give me a hug, but didn’t believe me until today when my son-in-law lost his job. He was the last person his small company kept, and now he and the company are defunct. At least, the owners are able to retire for however long that will last. My daughter is still working, but probably can’t make enough to support them. I did have two friends tell me not to send them any more economic “bulletins” because they were too depressing and there isn’t anything they can do about it. Another friend said my political beliefs “bring her down” and that everything will be okay, like it always has been. I asked if she had ever heard of the “Great Depression”, and she said it turned out okay after they got a Democrat president in office. I was stunned…..

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          • Chantilly Lady says:

            Yep. Same response– they look at you like you are three headed monster speaking a foreign language and they never ask questions.

            My FIL’s mother– who is going to be 100 later this year will always say– if it’s not pleasant I don’t want to think about it.. Guess a lot of people don’t won’t to hear it and unfortunately don’t have the mental capacity to think about it… hey but mention the Kardashians— I really don’t understand the fascination..

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            • Eagle eye says:

              Had a chat with a client the other day about his declining spend, and it turned, as it always does lately to the economy. I showed him the two graphs on the collapse net site. You know, the limits to growth one and the peak oil one.
              Our next conversation will be a ripper, I suggested alcohol and he offered to supply it. Good thing we both practice tha art.

              Keep spreading the word.

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              • John W. says:

                What peak oil are you babbling about? There is more oil than they can refine with the estimates of the baken just being doubled not to mention the fields in Texas. If calif. ever starts pumping it’s reserves we can stop importing and start exporting.

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                • Rick:) says:

                  Perhaps true but, not “easy oil”. Takes more energy and water to extract and process. Plenty,but at what cost?

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                • Gregory8 says:

                  Rick:) It’s obvious that John W. has never studied much of anything especially science and economics. The term petroleum geologists and economists in the field use is a ratio called EROEI; Energy Returned On Energy Invested. During the early days of oil the ratio was easily 100:1; that is 1 unit of energy expended to extract 100 units for sale. With most of today’s oil that ratio is far less, and minimal in some wells depending upon the ease of extraction. As you pointed out, older feilds need and extra ‘boost’ with water, steam, or carbon monoxide, all of which adds to the cost of extraction. Even with these methods, up to 1/3 of the oil in these wells is unavailable for extraction (too hard to get out). Now add the cost of refining and transportation to the current sales price and you find many fields capped because the EROEI is so small that it doesn’t pay to pump them. Bakken in N.D. is new so the return should be pretty good for a while. But all fields eventually go into decline and that’s when costs begin so climb, erroding the EROEI, and therfore, profitablility. Current prices, and technology, also make it very costly to do too much with the oil sands in Canada and our own oil shale. Both types are showing a little profit, but the key word is LITTLE.

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                • Eagle eye says:

                  And why isn’t Calif pumping their oil right now?
                  Could it be because they exopect the price to go higher?
                  Or is it that they do not really have it.

                  Either way you are screwed.

                  Incidentally, has the availability of all that toxic, expensive fracked shale oil resulted in any price reduction? Serious question, where I live the prices are rigged by a cartel.

                  Oil is stored sunshine, the result of geological processes millions of years ago, and it is finite. Unless you can show me the continuous process of burying and compressing vegetation to release the oil I submit you are talking through the wrong hole.

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            • Them Guys says:

              TYRANNY OF USURY (also called “Intrest Fees” on loans)

              30. What also indeed is, in substance, a loan, especially a foreign loan? A loan is – an issue of government bills of exchange containing a percentage obligation commensurate to the sum of the loan capital. If the loan bears a charge of 5 per cent, then in twenty years the State vainly pays away in interest a sum equal to the loan borrowed, in forty years it is paying a double sum, in sixty – treble, and all the while the debt remains an unpaid debt.

              31. From this calculation it is obvious that with any form of taxation per head the State is baling out the last coppers of the poor taxpayers in order to settle accounts with wealthy foreigners, from whom it has borrowed money instead of collecting these coppers for its own needs without the additional interest.

              32. So long as loans were internal the GOYIM only shuffled their money from the pockets of the poor to those of the rich, but when we bought up the necessary persons in order to transfer loans into the external sphere, (Woodrow Wilson and F.D. Roosevelt) all the wealth of States flowed into our cash-boxes and all the GOYIM began to pay us the tribute of subjects.

              33. If the superficiality of GOY kings on their thrones in regard to State affairs and the venality of ministers or the want of understanding of financial matters on the part of other ruling persons have made their countries debtors to our treasuries to amounts quite impossible to pay it has not been accomplished without, on our part, heavy expenditure of trouble and money

              34. Stagnation of money will not be allowed by us and therefore there will be no State interest-bearing paper, except a one per-cent series, so that there will be no payment of interest to leeches that suck all the strength out of the State. The right to issue interest-bearing paper will be given exclusively to industrial companies who find no difficulty in paying interest out of profits, whereas the State does not make interest on borrowed money like these companies, for the State borrows to spend and not to use in operations. (Now we know why President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 when he refused to borrow any more of the “Bank Notes” from the bankers of the Federal Reserve Bank and began circulating non-interest bearing “Notes” of the “United States of America”!!!).

              35. Industrial papers will be bought also by the government which from being as now a paper of tribute by loan operations will be transformed into a lender of money at a profit. This measure will stop the stagnation of money, parasitic profits and idleness, all of which were useful for us among the GOYIM so long as they were independent but are not desirable under our rule

              36. How clear is the undeveloped power of thought of the purely brute brains of the GOYIM, as expressed in the fact that they have been borrowing from us with payment of interest without ever thinking that all the same these very moneys plus an addition for payment of interest must be got by them from their own State pockets in order to settle up with us. What could have been simpler than to take the money they wanted from their own people?

              37. But it is a proof of the genius of our chosen mind that we have contrived to present the matter of loans to them in such a light that they have even seen in them an advantage for themselves.

              38. Our accounts, which we shall present when the time comes, in the light of centuries of experience gained by experiments made by us on the GOY States, will be distinguished by clearness and definiteness and will show at a glance to all men the advantage of our innovations. They will put an end to those abuses to which we owe our mastery over the GOYIM, but which cannot be allowed in our kingdom.

              39. We shall so hedge about our system of accounting that neither the ruler nor the most insignificant public servant will be in a position to divert even the smallest sum from its destination without detection or to direct it in another direction except that which will be once fixed in a definite plan of action. (Is this why a “private corporation,” known as the “Internal Revenue Service,” is in charge of collecting the “payments” of the “Income Taxes” and the IRS always deposits those “payments” to the Federal Reserve bank and never to the Treasury of the United States??)

              40. And without a definite plan it is impossible to rule. Marching along an undetermined road and with undetermined resources brings to ruin by the way heroes and demi-gods.

              41. The GOY rulers, whom we once upon a time advised should be distracted from State occupations by representative receptions, observances of etiquette, entertainments, were only screens for our rule. (Like the House of Windsor (Guelph) and the rest of the “Black Nobility”?) The accounts of favorite courtiers who replaced them in the sphere of affairs were drawn up for them by our agents, and every time gave satisfaction to short-sighted minds by promises that in the future economies and improvements were foreseen …. Economies from what? From new taxes? – were questions that might have been but were not asked by those who read our accounts and projects

              42. You know to what they have been brought by this carelessness, to what pitch of financial disorder they have arrived, notwithstanding the astonishing industry of their peoples ..

              FROM the Final portions of, PROTOCOL#20

              If it is a Forgery as some claim(yet never defend their acusations of forgery) Why is this Exactly what has occured since 1913 fed reserve act?! ps, the protocols were only translated to english in late 1800′s era! Forgery? Fake? why not read it all and You decide that issue. The entire 24 protocols are a step by step in every posible sphere of govnt-culture-msm-society-Nations-to Gain total control of the entire World, also known today as a…NWO!

              Once you study it all it is alot eaiser to figure out Their Next moves! And what is necessary to DEFEAT these Scoundrels! They Are:Adversaries to GOD and ALL Of Mankind.

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          • Rooster says:

            Vicki, and others, Ditto,
            My lovely bride has informed me that i cannot tell her anymore stuff that i read here, lol. she says it makes her scared and depressed, i could not agree more but it’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion you just can’t not watch.

            She just wants me to do what i have to do to keep us safe, if that means buying preps then buy preps if that mean more solar panels then so be it etc…

            on a side note: got my M.I.L. to get her funds out of pension and 401′s and now she says the stocks are up and what have i done to her [her money, she means] she is regular cnn watcher, i told her it was advice before she did anything [as if i had a bunch-o-money i would get it out of the system and buy silver and gold] So what does she do??? she puts it all in the bank i am talking mid 6 figures here, i politely inform my lovely bride that i do not give anymore advice [not even to my folks] and when they talk of money i just shake my head with a grim face and pray she is with our Lord before she loses everything [shes an old coot, lol]

            like others have mentioned i get blank stares and out right denials that anything bad is going to happen, with this all said i have made it known [sometimes not to subtly] that if everything gets bad DO NOT make you way to my bug-in-place here, it would be an ugly situation if they did. and i was SHOCKED to find my bride in total agreement.
            rooster out

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            • Theguy says:

              Buy a boat and learn how to sail and fish.

              Really, think about it. Solar panels are fine in a Great Depression scenario. For anything worse, you want to be as far away as possible, and I can think of little farther than the middle of the Pacific ocean.

              I wish I could afford it. I can’t. So if it goes past Argentina levels, I can measure my life expectancy in weeks.

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          • Red Leader says:

            I get the same response. “I don’t want to hear it because its too depressing and I can’t do anything about it.” I tell them to prep and say its too extreme and tin foil hat stuff. My last words are, Deal with Reality or Reality will Deal with you.

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          • Lanny says:

            Something about ignorance & bliss… My favorite saying is: “You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can’t make’em think” I get SOooo tired of even trying to wake people up anymore; that deer in the headlights look gets old real fast…

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          • SilverFox says:

            I don’t tell people how desperate the situation is anymore. They don’t believe me either.

            I tell them that I’m in financial trouble and I need their advice.

            I tell them that I make 21,000 a year but spend 38,000 a year. I put the other 17,000 a year on a credit card and I now have a balance of 170,000.

            They tell me I’m screwed and I will lose everything.

            Then I tell them the truth and explain how the numbers are the same for the country. They collect 2.1 Trillion in taxes. spend 3.8 T and have a national debt of 17T. Then I say, you thought “I” was screwed. . . We all are screwed! They understand much better now.

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          • Montana Max says:

            And getting them to listen to the news…..I have just given up on trying to educate… I wonder how many will show up on the doorstep ( or in my case a locked gate) saying gee I should have listened to you, have you got any food !

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            • mikey says:

              We have one can of tuna for each of our close neighbors in case they come to our doorstep.

              We have one can of Alpo for them if they come back.

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          • mikey says:

            Vicky, some people just prefer to go on with wishful thinking because things are pretty good for them and they don’t want a Debbie Downer popping their balloon every other day with another email link to catastrophe. And then, some people are having such a hard time of things that they really could not keep on going and struggling day to day if they had to face that the whole thing is going down the tubes anyway.

            It really is a huge deal for someone to make that mental “switch” where they’re not working to maintain a “lifestyle”, but working instead to make it just possible to survive in the coming years. How do young people, under pressure to develop a “career” and provide for their families, keep a commitment to working hard knowing that in a sense they are going through the motions and that their “career” is just an illusion?

            If so many people are having such a hard time even coming to grips with the possibility of collapse, how many people are going to totally lose their sh*t and fall to pieces when it really does happen? That’s spooky.

            I think the best we can do is just give friends and family little hints here and there. Reality should already be crashing in around everyone anyway. If they can’t see what’s obvious it’s because they don’t want to.

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        • Jim (another Jim) says:

          I get you. I am trying to spread the word, yet even though most people think I am nuts, the ones that suspect something is going on are still doing nothing. I live in rural northern Michigan, and opening day of rifle season is like a holiday, so everyone has guns. Do you think I can get another person to write or call our senators? Heck no, all they say is maybe tomorrow, I am too busy today. And these are the same people last year I tried to get and go buy some extra ammo. They are asking me where to get some now, I just laugh. You think they would have learned after that. Instead, they plan their next vacation, or talk about survivor. I am about ready to give up on them. The only thing that keeps me trying is the saying that all it takes for evil to prosper is for a good person to do nothing. Sigh

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          • JayJay says:

            It’s like one preacher said of bringing souls to the Lord.
            After a few tries, you know the ‘word’ isn’t phasing them, so move on to others with your message.
            Come back to those every now and then, but spend your time wisely on those more susceptible to the message.
            The Lord knows all, sees all, and understands your aim.
            So it is with the prepping message also.

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            • Amen, brother!

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            • don't tread says:

              Totally agree, sister JayJay.

              I used to try to talk to my friends about having both areas, the soul and the physical body, covered by preparing now before it’s too late.

              They either shyed away altogether or made smart aleck remarks like; “oh no, here he goes to preaching again”.

              Nowadays I just throw in a little hint about “knowing the secret to survival” or something like that, and see if they bite. I call it “planting a seed”.

              Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t; but at least they can’t come at me later with the question; “Why didn’t you warn me about this”?

              Well, they can; but i can get the relief from guilt by saying, “I tried, but you never wanted to talk about it”.

              One thing about being older and wiser is being able to see the world and creation in a different light, and not feeling responsible for everyone you come into contact with. I struggled with “feeling responsible” for my childrens’ future and salvation during their teenage years; until i understood the concept of “reaching the age of accountability”. After that age, everyone has to sail their own ship. They are no longer my responsibility, just my concern. God created each and everyone for His enjoyment. As flesh bodies, we just helped bring His children into the “flesh world”. We haven’t created anyone or anything, and don’t own anyone or anything. God just allows us to experience and enjoy some of His creation. After all, the life in flesh bodies is just a blink, on the grand scale of creation and eternity. Why sweat and worry about all this crap that will soon pass away anyhow?

              Ecc 2:24 [There is] nothing better for a man, [than] that he should eat and drink, and [that] he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it [was] from the hand of God.

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          • SmokyMtnLady says:

            Jim…I HAVE given up!

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            • Them Guys says:

              They plan to KILL OFF all who Refuse Their NWO RULE!

              PROTOCOL No. 23

              1. That the peoples may become accustomed to obedience it is necessary to inculcate lessons of humility and therefore to reduce the production of articles of luxury. By this we shall improve morals which have been debased by emulation in the sphere of luxury. We shall re-establish small master production which will mean laying a mine under the private capital of manufactures. This is indispensable also for the reason that manufacturers on the grand scale often move, though not always consciously, the thoughts of the masses in directions against the government. A people of small masters knows nothing of unemployment and this binds him closely with existing order, and consequently with the firmness of authority. For us its part will have been played out the moment authority is transferred into our hands. Drunkenness also will be prohibited by law and punishable as a crime against the humanness of man who is turned into a brute under the influence of alcohol.

              2. Subjects, I repeat once more, give blind obedience only to the strong hand which is absolutely independent of them, for in it they feel the sword of defense and support against social scourges …. What do they want with an angelic spirit in a king? What they have to see in him is the personification of force and power.

              3. The supreme lord who will replace all now existing rulers, dragging in their existence among societies demoralized by us, societies that have denied even the authority of God, from whose midst breeds out on all sides the fire of anarchy, must first of all proceed to quench this all-devouring flame. Therefore he will be obliged to kill off those existing societies, though he should drench them with his own blood, that he may resurrect them again in the form of regularly organized troops fighting consciously with every kind of infection that may cover the body of the State with sores.

              4. This Chosen One of God is chosen from above to demolish the senseless forces moved by instinct and not reason, by brutishness and not humanness. These forces now triumph in manifestations of robbery and every kind of violence under the mask of principles of freedom and rights. They have overthrown all forms of social order to erect on the ruins the throne of the King of the Jews; but their part will be played out the moment he enters into his kingdom. Then it will be necessary to sweep them away from his path, on which must be left no knot, no splinter.

              5. Then will it be possible for us to say to the peoples of the world: “Give thanks to God and bow the knee before him who bears on his front the seal of the predestination of man, to which God himself has led his star that none other but Him might free us from all the before-mentioned forces and evils”.(Really the Antichrist? Bet on it!)

              NOTE: Remember, when These Elietists refer to “GOD” what They really mean is the god They worship. aka, LUCIFER! SATAN! Their lucifer god is the Light Bearing Angel! aka ANTICHRIST! That is proven true by their own admissions, as well as their most holiest of holy books.

              You have been reading their NWO plans, written several hundred yrs ago, by the most Evil of persons to ever exist on earth! And soon to be Fullfilled unless folks Wake Up! Read all 24 sections see for yourself what Your future holds if they are allowed to continue.

              www dot biblebelievers dot org dot au/przion1 dot htm#Table of Contents

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        • CelticNana says:

          I know exactly what you mean. There are only a few people I talk with about this; the rest of them all think I’m wearing a tin-foil sunbonnet. I feel a bit less lonely when I come to this site. I think it’s very likely that the government will confiscate retirement plans, using “the greater good” as an excuse. And that will only be a part of what is coming. Most of the time I can’t blame people for not wanting to see or hear, because it’s a very frightening thing, this changing of society and our world. I’m not any smarter than most, maybe just more realistic and I don’t trust the traditional media. I’m glad this site is here, to learn and affirm and vent. Misneach, fianna.

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          • patientmomma says:

            I have tried to warm my family and best friends and have reminded them of what happen in Nazi Germany. They call me a crazy dooms day prepper. Like most of you, I have given up. They tell me they are worried and it is scaring them, but then they pack up and go on vacation; mean while I’m weeding the garden, canning meat and drying herbs.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            CelticNana

            When you discuss these subjects to the uninformed you may often hear, “They can’t do that!”. I remind them of Executive Order 6102 that without Congressional approval authorized the confiscation of personal gold.

            They can do anything they want. All thats needed is a crisis sufficiently large enough to justify it.

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          • Walt Kowalski says:

            I’ve pretty much stopped talking to people about it.

            Face it….if people are too stupid to look at what’s going on and not be alarmed enough to find out “why” on their own, then anything you could possibly say to them will be of no effect anyway.

            We are getting ever closer to the day when TSHTF, so increased OPSEC is a priority.

            I’ve come to the point where I simply talk about the same mindless nonsense that the rest of the sheeple talk about. It’s good cover. Because when TSHTF, they are going to be looking for people who have “stuff”….and these folks who you thought were your friends will probably turn on you to take what you have.

            Give it up folks. You’ve probably already warned as many people as you can. They’ve either listened, or ignored…or mocked you.

            I’ve got a dinner engagement coming up this next week with someone I’ve tried to talk to several times about these things. Typically….or discussions have been from the political angle. This week…I’m going to refuse to talk about anything political or anything having to do with current events. I’m only going to discuss sports or pop-culture. I anticipate the evening being short and boring.

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            • JayJay says:

              I don’t even bother with sales clerks or cashiers any more.
              It is a waste of time.
              A year ago, I too would say at least if I save one family from fema camps or starving, I’ve accomplished something–no longer my view.

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            • OPSEC is a priority in New York because they’ve already set up a hotline so sheep can report anyone with more than seven bullets to their name.

              Pretty soon they’ll have a hotline to report people hoarding navy beans so they can pull their medical records and get a trumped up warrant to go gun hunting.

              Talking to anyone here about anything of this sort is out of the question. They’re all-in on the welfare state. Nothing to be done.

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        • swampratt says:

          OUTWEST thats because their f–king braindead

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        • CuzzinJim says:

          I am constantly amazed at how uninformed people are. I would hesitate to guess that 99% of the population is oblivious to what is going on. I absolutely believe that it will not be a slow slide into chaos, but an uncontrolled avalanche. To say we are in a sad state of affairs is an understatement.

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        • Mountain Trekker says:

          OutWest, I can almost understand why people would have a blank stare. Things come at us at such a fast rate, that even those of us who try to keep up get lost in the fog.When ever a new subject comes up, we just totally forget about some of the important old subjects. One that I have been wondering about, that was such a hot topic and now I don’t hear anything about, is all those good conservative states that were going to pass a law where they would arrest the feds if they tried to enforce unconstitutional laws. What happened to those laws, and in what States did they pass? I know they got shot down in Wyoming, by good old pro gun state Senators. What about your State? Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

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          • Iowa says:

            Eric Holder thteatened the Governor of Kansas over their new gun law.

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          • Grasshopper says:

            My daughter goes bezeerk if I say anything about all this… starts screaming… “listen to yourself! You sound like a whacko! There are no such thing as drones! If there were drones, don’t you think I would have heard about it? You read all this stuff on the Interne and think its true.”

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            • Grasshopper says:

              Finally, after fussing all week, she usually comes around though… we laugh: her idea of news is celebrity gossip or news about a cow going across the highway. I make fun of the stuff she watches (T.V.) and she makes fun of mine…

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              • I cancelled my cable tv subscription years ago, so out of curiosity, the other day while visiting my sister, I asked her to put on the news. There was some crap on about American Idol, and, thinking she’d turned to an entertainment channel, I said, “No, I’d like to watch the news.” She said, “This IS the news.” I almost fell off my chair that she believed that…

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                • Yeah, the last time I checked the cable network news it was about 20 minutes on gay basketball players, and then another 20 about the polls plummeting for pro second amendment guys in Congress.

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              • Grippentrog says:

                Is this the same daughter who is a crime expert? Sounds like she watches tv a lot. Trash and more trash. Gossip and crime shows. No wonder she doesn’t understand you.

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        • durango kidd says:

          No these people do not live in a cave. They live in very nice homes, have many assets, and lots of cash. Tonnes of cash. Some were a little too greedy, some were over leveraged, and these people paid the price.

          But make no mistake: any crash is deliberate. It is not uncontrollable.

          All of the global investment class and the richest, most powerful 150 companies in the world keep their reserve cash in US Treasuries; so anyone who thinks that US Treasuries will lose all of their value as the dollar declines is a poor, ignorant bastard without these cash assets who envies those that do.

          Wishful thinking.

          Exxon is not going down. Apple is not going down, AT&T is not going down. Boeing is not going down. ETC ETC. But if you are in the 90%, YOU are going down if you haven’t organized your portfolio strategically to mitigate the effect upon you and yours.

          Engage your employees or be controlled by them.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            DK

            I’m of the mindset that things are spinning out of their control. The investment class is putting their funds in the safest place available with emphasis upon safest available. That doesn’t mean that its safe but just that its the safest available.

            The idea that personal wealth and possessions are protected by law for the working classes flies in the face of reality. Confiscating five dollars from many with nothing is a greater threat to the power elite than confiscating five million dollars from far fewer that historically are law abiding. Under the circumstances described in these blogs the traditional rule of law is abandoned.

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            • durango kidd says:

              K2: Things are NOT spinning out of control. Everything that is happening is intentional to attain the aims of the PTB. Economically, the FED has so much historical data as to what the effect of the slightest change in interest rates or money in the hands of the consumer would do, that they can manipulate the economy to serve the Global Investment Class; as they have.

              Everything that is happening is planned. It is controlled. The ramifications of every FED action is completely understood (mathematically modeled) before the
              action is taken.

              There will not be any confiscation of bank accounts in the USA. Obummer would like to nationalize 401k’s, but the rich will not allow it. The rich have the biggest 401K’s and the rich have the political power.

              The FED is run for their behalf. The economy is run for their behalf. That is not going to change until the Pole Shift and Earth Changes. “Traditional rule of law” will not be abandoned until then; and that is when the elite will seek to circumvent the constitution altogether.

              100 million American gun owners hold the US Constitution in their hands. Engage

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              • They will simply receive a carve-out.

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              • Kevin2 says:

                DK

                The guy with 5 million in his IRA has no more political control, even less than the person in poverty that is one missed meal away from violence.

                They confiscated the gold of “The Rich” 80 years ago with no opposition.

                One good bump in the economic road and they would think nothing of taking personal wealth in exchange for a government promise.

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                • BigFrigginB says:

                  I’m pretty sure what Dk is saying is that the situation we are in and heading to is not because of ignorance but meticulous planning.
                  I would happen to agree I honesty believe that those has been in the making for centuries.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  K2: Trust me, the guy with $5 million in his IRA DOES have political influence because it takes money to run a campaign. If he has that much money in his IRA I promise you he is worth at least $25 million. This is a guy that greases the wheels. Bad example.

                  And Gold? The rich learned their lesson. Now they buy gold and art offshore through their offshore investment corps.

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                • Kevin2 says:

                  DK

                  The guy with 5 million does not contribute which is why he has 5 million.

                  Obama is President in spite of those with 5 million in their IRA; enough said. Presidents aren’t elected they’re selected. TPTB get financing to who they want to win (which is either but they prefer one).

                  I have many friends with 1.5-3+ million in their IRA / 401K and they might have a net worth of 500k above that. They vote and for the most part not for the current President. They exercise almost no political control. If their wealth was confiscated and they were still eating they would piss and moan but cause no trouble. The same can’t be said for the lowest social economic group that does not behave themselves in good times; their mantra is, “Give us what I want or we’ll burn your damn city down”.

                  If those with 5 million in their IRA had political power BK would not have been elected President.

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          • Wolf359 says:

            Dk,

            Please clarify your position about the stock market and our econ environment?

            What do you think will happen? most likely? why you prep? is there anything economic to worry about in your view?

            I find youre posts schizophrenic and I have no idea what youre even talking about sometimes.

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            • Them Guys says:

              Try This info from the Masters of control who authored it a few hundred yrs ago. Some call it a “forgery”, yet those who do so Never Ever defend or debate Thier “Claims of a forgery” They yell Forgery to Halt all further considerations on this info. And whay exactly Is a “forgery”? But a Copy of an Original right. Of course it Must be “copied” if it is in a foriegn language, and you desire it to be legible in say, the english language. Call it real or a forgery, yet none can deny after reading it, all that it contains written is a step by step plan to gain control of the Entire world into what is called a, NWO by most folks today! And from page one of it has been used as written step by step up to date.

              A Small sample:

              2. The constitution scales of these days will shortly break down, for we have established them with a certain lack of accurate balance in order that they may oscillate incessantly until they wear through the pivot on which they turn. The GOYIM are under the impression that they have welded them sufficiently strong and they have all along kept on expecting that the scales would come into equilibrium. But the pivots – the kings on their thrones – are hemmed in by their representatives, who play the fool, distraught with their own uncontrolled and irresponsible power. This power they owe to the terror which has been breathed into the palaces. As they have no means of getting at their people, into their very midst, the kings on their thrones are no longer able to come to terms with them and so strengthen themselves against seekers after power. We have made a gulf between the far-seeing Sovereign Power and the blind force of the people so that both have lost all meaning, for like the blind man and his stick, both are powerless apart.

              3. In order to incite seekers after power to a misuse of power we have set all forces in opposition one to another, breaking up their liberal tendencies towards independence. To this end we have stirred up every form of enterprise, we have armed all parties, we have set up authority as a target for every ambition. Of States we have made gladiatorial arenas where a lot of confused issues contend … A little more, and disorders and bankruptcy will be universal …

              4. Babblers, inexhaustible, have turned into oratorical contests the sittings of Parliament and Administrative Boards. Bold journalists and unscrupulous pamphleteers daily fall upon executive officials. Abuses of power will put the final touch in preparing all institutions for their overthrow and everything will fly skyward under the blows of the maddened mob

              POVERTY OUR WEAPON

              5. All people are chained down to heavy toil by poverty more firmly than ever. They were chained by slavery and serfdom; from these, one way and another, they might free themselves. These could be settled with, but from want they will never get away. We have included in the constitution such rights as to the masses appear fictitious and not actual rights. All these so-called “Peoples Rights” can exist only in idea, an idea which can never be realized in practical life. What is it to the proletariat laborer, bowed double over his heavy toil, crushed by his lot in life, if talkers get the right to babble, if journalists get the right to scribble any nonsense side by side with good stuff, once the proletariat has no other profit out of the constitution save only those pitiful crumbs which we fling them from our table in return for their voting in favor of what we dictate, in favor of the men we place in power, the servants of our AGENTUR … Republican rights for a poor man are no more than a bitter piece of irony, for the necessity he is under of toiling almost all day gives him no present use of them, but the other hand robs him of all guarantee of regular and certain earnings by making him dependent on strikes by his comrades or lockouts by his masters.

              WE SUPPORT COMMUNISM
              6. The people, under our guidance, have annihilated the aristocracy, who were their one and only defense and foster-mother for the sake of their own advantage which is inseparably bound up with the well-being of the people. Nowadays, with the destruction of the aristocracy, the people have fallen into the grips of merciless money-grinding scoundrels who have laid a pitiless and cruel yoke upon the necks of the workers.

              7. We appear on the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces – Socialists, Anarchists, Communists – to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite – in the diminution, the KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings.

              8. By want and the envy and hatred which it engenders we shall move the mobs and with their hands we shall wipe out all those who hinder us on our way.

              9. WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO. (The Biblical “Anti-Christ?”)

              10. The GOYIM have lost the habit of thinking unless prompted by the suggestions of our specialists. Therefore they do not see the urgent necessity of what we, when our kingdom comes, shall adopt at once, namely this, that IT IS ESSENTIAL TO TEACH IN NATIONAL SCHOOLS ONE SIMPLE, TRUE PIECE OF KNOWLEDGE, THE BASIS OF ALL KNOWLEDGE – THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE STRUCTURE OF HUMAN LIFE, OF SOCIAL EXISTENCE, WHICH REQUIRES DIVISION OF LABOR, AND, CONSEQUENTLY, THE DIVISION OF MEN INTO CLASSES AND CONDITIONS. It is essential for all to know that OWING TO DIFFERENCE IN THE OBJECTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITY THERE CANNOT BE ANY EQUALITY, that he, who by any act of his compromises a whole class, cannot be equally responsible before the law with him who affects no one but only his own honor. The true knowledge of the structure of society, into the secrets of which we do not admit the GOYIM, would demonstrate to all men that the positions and work must be kept within a certain circle, that they may not become a source of human suffering, arising from an education which does not correspond with the work which individuals are called upon to do. After a thorough study of this knowledge, the peoples will voluntarily submit to authority and accept such position as is appointed them in the State. In the present state of knowledge and the direction we have given to its development of the people, blindly believing things in print -cherishes – thanks to promptings intended to mislead and to its own ignorance – a blind hatred towards all conditions which it considers above itself, for it has no understanding of the meaning of class and condition.

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              • Them Guys says:

                A Continuation:

                11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

                12. “OURS” THEY WILL NOT TOUCH, BECAUSE THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE SHALL TAKE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR OWN.

                13. We have demonstrated that progress will bring all the GOYIM to the sovereignty of reason. Our despotism will be precisely that; for it will know how, by wise severities, to pacificate all unrest, to cauterize liberalism out of all institutions

                14. When the populace has seen that all sorts of concessions and indulgences are yielded it in the name of freedom it has imagined itself to be sovereign lord and has stormed its way to power, but, naturally like every other blind man, it has come upon a host of stumbling blocks. IT HAS RUSHED TO FIND A GUIDE, IT HAS NEVER HAD THE SENSE TO RETURN TO THE FORMER STATE and it has laid down its plenipotentiary powers at OUR feet. Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we [the Philadelphes (ie.e French branch of the Illuminati)]who gave the name of “Great”: the secrets of its preparations are well known to us for it was wholly the work of our hands.

                15. Ever since that time we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favor of that KING-DESPOT OF THE BLOOD OF ZION, WHOM WE ARE PREPARING FOR THE WORLD.

                16. At the present day we are, as an international force, invincible, because if attacked by some we are supported by other States. It is the bottomless rascality of the GOYIM peoples, who crawl on their bellies to force, but are merciless towards weakness, unsparing to faults and indulgent to crimes, unwilling to bear the contradictions of a free social system but patient unto martyrdom under the violence of a bold despotism – it is those qualities which are aiding us to independence. From the premier-dictators of the present day, the GOYIM peoples suffer patiently and bear such abuses as for the least of them they would have beheaded twenty kings.

                17. What is the explanation of this phenomenon, this curious inconsequence of the masses of the peoples in their attitude towards what would appear to be events of the same order?

                18. It is explained by the fact that these dictators whisper to the peoples through their agents that through these abuses they are inflicting injury on the States with the highest purpose – to secure the welfare of the peoples, the international brotherhood of them all, their solidarity and equality of rights. Naturally they do not tell the peoples that this unification must be accomplished only under our sovereign rule.

                19. And thus the people condemn the upright and acquit the guilty, persuaded ever more and more that it can do whatsoever it wishes. Thanks to this state of things, the people are destroying every kind of stability and creating disorders at every step.

                Judge for Yourself! if indeed it is a “forgery”? Why is it so Acurate of all that occured since the French Revolution, why by the way these eleits Admit they Engineered and Caused for Their benifit!

                If you read Both of my posts, this and one above, you have read Most of the 3rd-Protocol of the Elders of Zion. Today called “Banksters” and “Eliets” etc.

                Why take others word for truth when they cry Forgery!, is it not Better to First Read it Yourtself, and Then decide?

                The Entire english version as well as who translated it from British Museum archives of the ORIGINAL documents, all 24-protocals in depth and their history of where found and by whom etc are located at website of,

                www dot biblebelievers dot org dot au/przion1 dot htm#Table of Contents

                Dedicate a day or two and Read it All! In 20+ yrs research, I have found nothing that more details litterally Everything we see today and all we know of that has occured in the past 2-3 Centurys! The only Other thing so deatiled and Acurate of Our current Woes, is of course the communist manifesto, also authored by Their same hands!….Need Insight to near future events of loss of liberty etc? READ THIS INFO! YOU decide if a forgery or not!(it is NOT a forgery as you will find).

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                • Gregory "The Watcher" says:

                  Them guys:

                  Bravo, what you have uncovered and putforth is the outstanding. Everyone should take time and digest this heinous plan of deception. The time has come to try and reverse the course. Can it be done? What will it take? Are we all ready to sacrifice what it may entail to right the ship?

                  ” Out of the night that covers me, black is the pit from pole to pole
                  I think God for whatever may be in my unconquerable soul.
                  During the failed clutch of circumstances, I have not winced or cried aloud,
                  During the bludgeonings of chance my head is bloodied but unbowed.
                  During the laughter of the years, looms the horrors of the shade,
                  Yet time shall find me unafraid.
                  It matters not how straight the gate, how charred with punishment to the scroll.
                  I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul.”

                  With Godspeed, prep and pray. The time is at hand.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Wolf: The stock market will decline significantly when corporate profits fail to support price multiples. The market is nearing a top and will likely correct 20-30% this summer.

              The most likely event is WAR with Iran in June.

              Israel’s redline has been crossed. Syria must be neutralized. That is happening. Israel will initiate a First Strike against Iran. Iran will respond against US in the Gulf. WE will eliminate the current Regime in Iran. NK will attack SK and US in tandem with events in the Gulf. Seoul will be destroyed. WE will eliminate the NK Regime. War creates Chaos. Chaos has unintended consequences. Peace will break out.

              Then dig your bunkers deeper.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Wolf: If you have a specific example about my “schizophrenic posts” which you do not understand, I would be happy to try to clarify them for you.

                Ask away.

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                • Wolf359 says:

                  DK,

                  It is the certainty in which you you dismiss the possibility of an economic collapse and then how assured you are of earth changes\pole shift.

                  Imho an economic collapse is far more likely than a black swan event like earth changes. There is certainly more evidence and examples of our crumbling economy and not so much on earth changes.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Not really Wolf and therein lies your error. Economic collapse is not happening, will not happen (unless it is deliberate) because the Uber Rich control the system in the USA; and to collapse the system would be to shoot themselves in the foot. Not gonna happen.

                  The Uber Rich would lose the most in an economic collapse.

                  Europe is a different story because Europe doesn’t have a sole Central Bank. That is the problem now. The PTB in Europe are trying desperately to impose a single Central Bank authority upon the EU. That is the source of the conflict and the problems in Europe.

                  Earth Changes are progressing as we type these lines. Progress is slow, but it continues unabated and there is NOTHING that the PTB can do about that. There is plenty of scientific evidence to support the concept of Earth Changes. Do the research.

                  Start at SHTF Earth Changes.

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                • youraneight says:

                  Lucky you, Wolf. You’ll probably get both. We’ve been living through an unusually stable period for planet Earth. I think DK is at least partly right. There is a plan. Things will spin out of control, but that don’t mean TPTB won’t try to take advantage of it. There will be enough of the old system left for the uber-rich to grab onto. The merely rich and the poser-rich will suffer as the gibs me dats riot and the sheep panic.

                  DK, don’t get upset over being called schitzophrenic. A good prepper has two of everything.

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          • Red Leader says:

            DK, I think they will all go down to some extent because they all base their business model on the Infinite Growth Paradigm believing we can have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources and over 7 billion people. The reason the US has not collapsed yet is because it has the world’s reserve currency and the power to print an unlimited amount of digital money. That will come to a screaming halt soon. The US will not be able to win a currency war.

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            • By “infinite growth paradigm” I’m assuming you mean the “infinite debt expansion paradigm”. The only thing that “grows” is the debt.

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              • Wolf359 says:

                DK,

                An econ collapse is everything from a usd devaluation to a mad max scenario to a loss of reserve currency status.

                Ill place my money on that over Niburu and most people here probably do as well.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Currency war? Buy Yuan. Dollars are being destroyed under deflation at an amazing pace. “Money printing” can barely keep up. Dr Paul is wrong. Jim Rogers is wrong :-)

              Keep ten dollar bills in #ten cans.

              War is the “Reset” button. It always has been. Invest in gold, speculate with silver, and hoard your lead. They won’t be making anymore of it after the Changes.

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              • youraneight says:

                The Earth trembles; pushed into the air and falls…

                So many evils are committed that almost the entire world is undone and desolate. —Nostradamus

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            • durango kidd says:

              Red Leader: While global resources are limited, the NWO is catering to new consumers across the globe, thus revenue to the multi-nationals will continue unabated if at reduced levels. Its all cyclical.

              Populations are aging and the crisis between resources and population may well be mitigated by technology, the death of the aged, and space expansion.

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            • youraneight says:

              Don’t worry. Within the forseeable future there won’t be 7 billion people.

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        • Barterman says:

          They are happy Not To Know!

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        • anonymous6.8 says:

          Have wondered about this too. What habit of mind or character brought each of us here that isn’t widespread across the population? The indoctrination didn’t take with each of us. Why not?

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          • Iowa says:

            For most of us, probably 90%, it was God. The other 10% are either lucky or highly intelligent, in a common sense way. I am truly blessed as noone told me, I believe the Holy Spirit made me highly inquisitive and I was destined to find alternative news to feed this hunger for truth.

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          • Theguy says:

            Simpler than that. Don’t fit in well with other people.

            Of course… that may have a lot to do with the fact that all they ever talk about are their phones and football…

            Kinda hard to fit in with that. It’s pretty annoying.

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          • Outlaw says:

            That is an interesting thought… Can we teach this to our children? or is there an inherent trait that it takes to understand clearly? a trait that does not take to indoctrination? From what I witness around me I am starting to believe it is related to a trait and not just education.

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            • anonymous6.8 says:

              Just a wild guess. I’ve always been 3 % too shy for my own good. Therefore alone a lot. Even when I had television I preferred to read. Was an “outsider” most of my life. So if people thought I was “nuts” I barely cared. Well into adulthood read the Fable of The Grasshopper and the Ant. Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Lew Rockwell, Martin Luther, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Crux is having backbone enough to be indifferent to fitting in with the crowd. Don’t know that you’d want to inculcate shyness even if you could. But doing the right thing for the right reason, by whatever door you enter, is teachable.

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            • Highspeedloafer says:

              Why not Outlaw, we teach them everyday by the way we live our lives. I am sure that I am a gardener because my dad was. He taught me the love for it when I was a kid but, back then I didn’t know I loved it yet.

              Proverbs 22:6
              Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

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              • Outlaw says:

                Thank you for the bible verse HSL. I guess that bible verse has applied to my own life.
                We try to raise the kids in the way we wish to see them grow and mature. I do see differences in our children though, which brings me to wonder if there is a trait that makes it easier for some young minds to be won over by the current system in place.
                It certainly does not help when we have to compete with modern distractions, i.e. face glued to ipod, etc… also we have lost our moralities, when our children are surrounded by moral-less, selfish children and population in general, they may begin to see the behavior as “the norm”.
                Each of our children have their own strengths and weaknesses, however it seems some stick to the right path easier than others…

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        • OutWest,

          This morning at 5am I was at O’Hare airport standing in line at a coffee vendor to get some coffee before my 6am Florida flight departed. In front of me were two young women in their mid 20′s. They were loudly obsessing about how much protein was in the coffee among other complaints about calories. I stood their in abject disbelief at how hopelessly oblivious these two women seemed to be. There were so many thoughts that came to mind to tell these two, but I decided to stick with “ignorance is bliss” and said nothing. I don’t want to be the one to shatter their Utopian view of the world. They will realize reality soon enough and it will not be pleasant in the least bit. To think that the majority of American (voters) are this clueless about the actual state of the nation is frustrating to say the least.

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          • skittle shittin unicorn says:

            those two girls (women ) are typical of the women of the country today obsessed by there weight and every other trivial thing. take commercials today one is for a magic weight loss powder Sensa. the commercial starts with a young couple sitting in a car at a drive in restaurant the young lady sprinkles the magic powder on the food and POOF!! a band appears! including one guy doing a chicken dance on the top of a classic auto LOL the next part a women dressed like the most stuck up office snob gets up after using the Fairy dust of weight loss and strut’s down the office hall way like she is the most Busty women in the place. ( look at me aren’t i cute ?? ) A these folks are actors and most people know this BUT these women Never had a weight problem in there life ! if they ate one cracker they would have to puke it up for fear of gaining one ounce.

            it’s how they get us to look at the other hand in life they know we mostly have the attention spans of Gnats and use that to keep us confused.
            now if its not some story about gay basket ball players or Fat ass Kim whoredassian and her Baby lump its not worth worrying about.Celebrities are the most stupid people on the planet self centered and dumb as bricks.

            they want us clueless and unsure about our choices also its part of a plan to bring us to the point were where Soylent green.

            remember Cass Sunstein’s Book Nudge just Nudge people in the right direction and Nudge them some more till you get the desired results.its part of the Guilt syndrome in America making people feel bad about there choices. while politicians eat the finest food and life the good life on our dime. and also remember he wants Lawyers so that Animals can sue people. Who is going to translate ?

            think about what commercials really are Yes there ways to sell products BUT another purpose they serve is to get people thinking about Changing there life ( for good or bad you decide )

            one out there shows a man waking up and the commercial goes you wake in your luxury house and slip out of your luxury bed and your luxury sheets and step into your luxury shower Blah Blah Blah and ends with getting in a car and realizing its all very ordinary ! except the car

            so basically your no body unless you have all that and the car

            TV no longer tries to educate us it just makes us more stupid and mostly shows us how Poor we really are.

            is it any wonder most Teens working today cant get or keep a job with out having there DUMB phones glued to there ears or Palms ? go to almost any store and likely you will see some young girl ignoring you and texting away about The voice or some other Crap show.

            Skittle shittin unicorn

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        • JustMe says:

          They don’t WANT to know anything…they prefer willful ignorance. That said, the economic issues can probably be drug out for a long time, but, the longer it takes, the harder the end result will be.

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        • Nargonstalator says:

          The majority of the people in our nation appear to fit into one or more of three catagories: uninformed, dumb or pharmaceutically numb. The powers that be know and love this.

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          • you don't need to know says:

            I couldn’t agree moer Narg!!!! It’s so terribly sad! And I havne’t talked to anyone about what’s going on for a few years now. I live in Suburbia and the women around here actually have lengthy talks about 90210 and why someone won The Voice. Thank goodness my husband is a believer, and we “brainwash” our children…=) Now we are selling this house and moving to our BOL and the entire family couldn’t be happier!!!!

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        • Tucker says:

          I had a handyman do a minor carpentry job for me the other day, and tried to get him to engage in a little discussion of politics and current events.

          He told me that he didn’t want to talk about politics or current events. He mumbled something that sounded pretty feeble about how ‘I’m in the public eye’, which I assumed meant that he avoided politics because he thought he might upset a customer and lose business. I chuckled at him and assured him that I wasn’t wearing a wire.

          This is the sort of apathy and disinterest and malaise that is rampant today, all across our country. It wasn’t like this when I was a kid – I remember having endless discussions with people – who were in their 20s or 30s, and in those days, people weren’t afraid to express their opinions or to listen to your opinions.

          Must be the fluoride in toothpaste and the water. Or, maybe we’re seeing the debilitating, long-term consequences for all that dope smoking that the Boomer generation did in the 1960s and beyond. BTW: All you pot heads – medical science has proven that smoking dope lowers IQ and the reduction is permanent.

          http://www.westernspring.co.uk/cannabis-use-steals-8-iq-points-from-the-teenage-mind/

          Cannabis Use Steals 8 IQ Points from the Teenage Mind
          Published by News Team on August 28, 2012 | 0 Comment

          “Scientists have found that regular use of cannabis during adolescence reduces IQ by an average of 8 points. Even more strikingly, this loss cannot be undone by kicking the habit later in life.”

          I suggest that anyone who hears anyone else promoting the idea that marijuana be legalized and widely used by the population – might want to stop and think about what the ‘agenda’ of such an individual or organization might be, long term.

          Who benefits most from a stupid, dumbed down population?

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          • So what…If you believe in libertarian principles, no one should be able to “legislate” what you, as a freeman sovereign human, can put in your body. This is a personal decision that is not a gov function and will be determined by your own beliefs, religious or otherwise. Of course, whatever you choose, you should bear the consequences of that decision, no one else. There is no “agenda” for legalization…just the fact that people should be free to do as they wish as long as they don’t infringe on others rights. BTW, I don’t smoke marijuana.

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            • Them Guys says:

              Why do you think they call it DOPE?

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              • They call it dope so you think its bad. Its the “smoking” part that is bad. Hemp (defamed as “marijuana”) has huge benefits to mankind. You can call me a conspiracy theorist if you want to, but the stuff can cure cancer, is a super high production industrial fiber plant and has other food and medicinal purposes.

                Until modern politics, lobbying and industrialists nobody thought much about it. They just used it. However, enter the crooks of the modern era and as a threat to your industry (cancer operations, heart operations, kidney disease, diabetes, cotton, paper from wood pulp, pain relief, etc, etc, etc, ad nausiem…) then we MUST DEMONIZE THE HORRIBLE PLANT!!!

                I find it comical that people that are so open minded in many libertarian ways are still under the spell of the MaryJane propagandists! …and, no, I’ve never smoked it and never would.

                You’ve been fed a line of BS from the start. Clean your brain with a little study from non-politically pressured research.

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                • JayJay says:

                  Gee, I am a dope.
                  On the side of my bottle:
                  …improves skin, speeds healing, calms and reduces inflammation, reduces platelet stickiness, reduces blood pressure, enhances immunity, reduces pain and swelling of arthritis.

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Industrial type Hemp is NOT the same species as Canibis type smoked to get high on. You can smoke 2 lbs of “hemp” and not get high. There is a huge difference between both species. I agree we should use Hemp for industry etc. I believe hemp produces 4-5 times the Bio diesel compared to corn per acre. And I am not aware of any actual Proof it “cures” cancers?…Cancer folks smoke it to rid themselves of puking after chemo therapy treatments. Not as an Cure. ps I lived during the “Experimental” age of dope etc. I was 15yrs old when it began! Thats about All I plan to divulge here!

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              • youraneight says:

                Because they want to demonize something you or I can grow anywhere for almost nothing. Then who would buy the beer or happy pills? Alcohol is more dangerous than pot, and no, I don’t smoke pot.

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            • Tucker says:

              Wrong, JRS. The only way these mentally deranged and infantile ‘libertarians’ can have the sort of ‘no rules’ society that they constantly harp on, is if every one of these nitwits are rounded up and confined together with each other on a deserted island. This would ensure that these dope smoking, heroin injecting, cocaine brain damaged misfits would not have any way to influence or affect the lives of those saner and mentally healthier people who are mature enough to realize that no society can hope to exist and remain reasonably stable without there being some limited number of rules and guidelines which are designed to define what is and is not considered socially acceptable behavior.

              And, since we both know – or, ought to know – that these infantile libertarians are not likely to be rounded up and confined to a deserted island anytime soon – in the interim, the best way to protect the rest of disciplined and adult society from their predisposition towards excess and lack of self control, is to have rules in place that limit the damage that they can do to the rest of normal society.

              In other words, when these nitwits squander their life’s savings on their drug addictions, I don’t want my paycheck to be used to pay for their Betty Ford Clinic treatments, or to pay for their destitute and impoverished family’s food, housing, obamacare, or other upkeep and maintenance. And, that, my friend – is always the end result of the libertarian ideology of a society with no rules, no restrictions, and no regulations.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Also add that basically libertarian ideas are based on atheistic society. Every single one I met back when we went all over our state to promote ccw lic’s(1999-2000) was eager to tell me they were atheists. I got no problem with atheists if they choose that way.

                But add up all they want for society and govnt it adds up to what They call Liberty/freedom is actually Licence. Licence to do all a person can dream up. If you ask what if we end up with weekly faggot naked sex in public parades on our main streets?(and we sure will with their system or lack of it) Libertarions tell you Move away elsewheres! or Close drapes so your kids wont be influenced. Much like dem libs they got an answer for all critics. I agree any nation to allow full blown libertarian society will crash and burn quick time. Due to Licence to do what a vast majority Know of as Imoral and unethical behaviours.(likly reason after 45 yrs they never got elected but barely and mostly lower offices)

                One more main trait all I met had was the attitude of “I got Mine, so what if others starve or whatever”…Compassion and concern for entire society is what usa used to be about and it was alot better back then.

                Their answer for everything seemed to be “Them folks should have thought of it when 30 yrs younger if today they got worries of end of soc sec type things”

                Yes Hindsight Is always better. But the real world never operates that way. Funny them guys had zero answers when I said “I believe all that forsight You guys had to work at Fords or GM car plants and now have great retirement bennies just may evaporate and Long prior to Your lifes ends…So Then what will You guys do?…Apply for Social security retirement pay?”….NO answer for any.

                It seems to me that atheistic thinking hates morals as much as God most often. Probobly because Christianity and Gods laws etc Is what the Founders(most of them except for like 2-3) based our foundings on. As God is what Morality was always based on. Prior to God mroality the world was full of Savages-Canibals-Barbarians mostly.

                Thats what one meant(patrick Henery?) when he stated “Our US Const is Made For a Moral and Christian type peoples, if america ever ceases to be as such, this constitution will NOT work as intended for ANY other tpye peoles.”

                Without ethics And good morals you get rights(licence) without Responsibility. To think we can leave teaching of that to Parents alone is a fantasy. 50+ yrs of near 90% black and black run major citys shows what occures when only parents teach such Values to their kids.

                Most libitarians will say So What it aint MY kids. Yes but You and We all will suffer for it. There aint no ron paul remedy for that. Liberty turned into Licence for all things will cause sodom and gomorah every time.

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          • Numnutz says:

            Maybe he is just practicing OPSEC. I don’t dave the acting ability to pull that off a dozen times a day. My plumber buddy has that same stupid look on his face and has a room full of preps. Some of these people are cunning enough to note you as a prepper simply by not being one of the American Idle obsessed with American Idol. The time for outreach is almost over. Unless someone you already know is finally coming around, you should say nothing to someone, something to no one, and above all keep your mouth shut.

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        • Do not be frustrated by the fact that you get those blank stares. For every blank stare you get, you’ve planted a seed.

          I have to admit, I’ve been having people come up to me lately saying things like, “Hey! I hear you think Sandy Hoax (formerly Hook) was a hoax. Tell me more about what you know…” They were probably people a few months ago would have thought me crazy to be so confident about the hoax called Sandy Hook.

          I’ve also seen more and more people open to the TEOTWAWKI economic scenario. So, you may be frustrated, but I can tell you this, and to all the others working hard to warn people:

          IT IS WORKING!!!

          Little by little, people are starting to look at things and thinking maybe it really can happen here. They’re seeing the false flag activity that our crooked government is perpetrating and they’re starting to get pissed.

          YOU ARE DOING IT! Don’t lose hope. Every blank stare is a seed planted. After all, when you poke a hole in the ground, drop a seed in and then throw dirt in the hold, do you look at the spot and say, “Oh! Shoot! Another failed planting!” NO! It takes time.

          Good luck. Keep it up.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “I can’t believe for all that we know collectively on this site about what is coming, whenever I talk with someone on the street all I get is a blank stare.”

          Oh, I can believe it. That is the exact same expression that a deer gets on its face when it is suddenly blinded by a car’s headlights. In our case, though, it is the truth that blinds them. If they are mentally unprepared to even consider the truth it initiates a state of momentary paralysis. After that passes, then they immediately transition to ridicule. It is a fascinating sociological manifestation when the ignorant ridicule the educated. But then that IS a lot easier than having to really think about what is going on these days.

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      • Gregory8 says:

        I stopped wasting my time telling my friends and family about what is coming. The time for them is long past. I’ve told those that needed to hear the truth years ago. I told them the crash was coming and it did in 2008; they lost a bundle and I saved a bunch. I also told folks this thing is far from over but no one wants to hear more bad news. So now I say nothing to anyone. Frankly I don’t want anyone remembering those warnings and then come looking for me when TSHTF. That’s one of the reasons I moved from a big city to a rural county. Now is the time to keep a very low profile. Remember OPSEC/COMSEC.

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        • Wolf359 says:

          I stopped talking as well. Just not worth my time or energy. Plus too many friends and family kept jokingly saying well I know where im going with mocking smiles. its just not worth continuosly putting yourself out there even if its the right thing to do. Atleast in the end we can say we tried.

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          • Gregory8 says:

            Wolf359: And that’s the other ‘problem’. Our friends and family may remember these little warnings and one of them may decide, for whatever reason, to turn us in because of our ‘crazy prepper’ warnings. We are in some scarry times.

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          • Tucker says:

            I share your sorrow, Wolf359 and Gregory8. The frustration of having this ‘vision’ when so many people around you are blind as bats and who not only refuse to listen, but they are actually stubborn and belligerent about preferring to remain stupid and clueless – this is a very tough burden for us to carry.

            What will be even harder and more painful, will be when the SHTF and these people show up at our door asking for us to help them.

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          • Highspeedloafer says:

            Yep, the only people I talk to either live in another county or state. I fish a lot and have lots of contact with people I never will see again, that’s who I try to educate.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            @Wolf359

            Everyone here has had that very same comment made to them at one time or another. When our daughter came over to visit one day, she saw the food and water preps that we had in bedroom that we converted to a storage room. She question it and we said that we were preparing for a possible disaster of some kind where food and water might be difficult to come by. She laughed a bit but not with any malice or ridicule and then said that she would come to our house if that happened. I told her not to come with empty hands and that food, water, blankets, flashlights, batteries, and anything else useful they could bring would be appropriate. She didn’t say much after that but it was clear that she was at least THINKING about the possibility of a disaster. As the mother of 2 children, she had better give some thought to this.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        A question put to Ernest Hemingway:

        “How did you go bankrupt?”

        Hemingway’s response:

        Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Re: Hemmingway

          Yep, that’s usually the way that a lot of things happen, including most of the SHTF scenarios. It is slow during that period of time wherein we are not really paying any attention to a problem until it becomes obvious to one and all. THEN it is a problem… but not much before that. That slow period is the invaluable prepping time that the sheeple squander on inane activities rather than using it for essential prepping.

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      • soapdish says:

        Starting tomorrow the 5th of May, be vigilant everyone. May 5th keeps popping up as a day of possible false flag, but starting on Monday the 6th of May, the state of Montana will be running a nuclear incident drill on or near Malmstrom and Fort Harrison in Helena.

        We all know that they always hold drills right before something bad happens.

        If they pull something off of this magnitutde, you can most certainly see a complete halt to everyday life! I don’t think I have to say those 2 words what everyone already knows what will happen.

        B aware, B awake, B Alive
        Situational awareness
        God Bless America

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    2. O/T

      Heads up!

      The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Wednesday that it is offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of those responsible for stealing 559 pounds of explosives last month near Red Lodge.

      The theft happened sometime in April when thieves broke into a U.S. Forest Service storage bunker about two miles south of Red Lodge, said Brad Beyersdorf, an ATF spokesman.

      Items stolen included emulsion-type explosives, explosive cast boosters and detonating cord.

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    3. Y'all Beware! says:

      Don’t worry the MSM will let us know what is happening – trust them. They will keep us informed!

      Y’all Beware! NOT!

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        “Don’t worry the MSM will let us know what is happening – trust them.”

        Yes, absolutely….They have ‘Our’ best interrest at Heart at all times, they want only for us to be Happy and content and Well-Infomed so that we can make GOOD judgements vabased on clear, accurate data and spledid analysis, Yes?…

        …NOT!…definitely /sarcoff Good one Y’all!

        JOG

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    4. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 ;0P says:

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    5. Boss Hog says:

      See what happens when you dont take your doctors advice.

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      • mountain man 6-1 says:

        @Boss Hog…..Kinda reminds me of standing up in the back floorboard ,looking over the passenger seat of my Dad’s car when I was very young. I was wondering what 3SSO meant at the local gas station!! Took me years to figure out it was ESSO ,the Gas Company!! Same here,people, I see NO ONE HERE worrying about economy!! They’re more worried about where their next BEER is coming from!! mm……

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    6. JustOneGuy says:

      Solar Update,

      An M-1.3 flare has just peaked at an effective time of 16:55 UTC…it also appears that same is not reverting to a normal, immediate decay slope but is instead attempting to upsurge from that point at which it is now at…updates to follow as the subsequent character of this becomes clear…

      JOG

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Reposted,

        Solar Addenda,

        The remnants of NOAA 11719 have precessed into view in the North-East and are unimmpressive; clearly, the large detonation witnessed some two dys ago (occulated by) the Eastern limb was effectively it’s “Last Hurrah”. That said, another active area area is rotating into view at this time in the South-East quadrant. As yet there is not enough of this area visible upon which to form an assesment; it is the case though that this area (as yet unrevealed but in the margin) DOES aapear ‘bright’ in the associated STEREO imaging. Further updates will follow as the circumstance becomes clarified in available imaging..

        Updates to follow as and when warranted.

        JOG

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Solar Update II,

        While NOAA 11731 was in the process of emitting the aforementioned M-1.3 it DID, in fact, re-engaged and another flare, this of magnitude M-5.8 has just peaked some several minutes ago. It appears at this time that the character of this emission will be of the LDE (Long Duration Event) and therefor, though 11731 is significasntly off-center, passing to the Western limb at this point we might see this event to be geo-effective.

        Commonly, it requires several hours for NASA to accurately evaluate the potential for a subsequent terrestrial interaction to occur. Updates to follow as warranted…

        JOG

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        • Slick says:

          JOG,
          If you wouldn’t mind, in some of your posts dumbing down some of your sun
          activity reports.
          Like,…maybe explain it to me like I’m 5 yrs. old…
          As I do enjoy your updates, but I feel completely lost sometimes when you get on
          a role.
          Let’s call it a “sun spots for dummies” if you will.
          Yes, I think that would help me a lot. And over time it will all start to sink in.

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          • the cooking mom says:

            Slick, go over here. It’s much easier to understand and not as scary.

            http://www.solarham.net/

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Apologies slick,

            ‘Twas NOT my intent…of late my Net connection SUCKS and so I try to get this in as FAST and as condensed as I can…

            Per your request Brother (I PRESUME! ;) ) here goes…
            A short bit ago, an event occured ove the face of the Solar disk. that resulted in a ‘Solar Flare’…the origins of these events lie in the ‘breaking’ and thereafter subsequent re-connection of the arcs of ‘magnetic tubes’, ie “prominences” which stretch upwards from the solar suface and are clearly visible in many of the monitored spectral imaging which we receieve as a consequence of the various satellite imaging sensors arrayed around the planet.

            The flare that just occured, an “M-class flare” was of the stronger sort, but NOT the strongest. The scale for all such proceeds as follows;

            A-class…lowest formal defined class of flare recorded, there are smaller ones but these aren’t typically even noted…

            B-class…flaring which is TEN times the emitted energy of the A-class listed above..

            C-class…again, TEN times as large as the preceding listed…

            M-class…TEN times larger still…begining to get to be significant at this point…

            X-class…SIGNIFICANT Flaring from which there is to be a large expected Earthly effect IF the position of any region so emmitting is relatively near to the visible solar center…subject to some few other variables as well…as well as ten times larger yet…there aRE larger but they are enumerated somewhat differently proceeding as X-20, X-30, etc.

            The concomittant here is that we may well see a slight subsequent disruption of terrestrial communications IF the matter (a Coronal Mass Ejection, a “CME”) ejected, which often follows on the heels of any such of the larger events such as this today lies along the path of the Earth in it’s travel along it’s orbital path.

            For an M-class flare it is USUALLY NOT the case that ‘the sky is FALLING’ as it were…we do NOTE all such inasmuch as the interaction of any ejected mass as it passes around or near the Earth may alter the planetary magnetic fields such that seismic events thereafter follow as a consequence…

            If that does not get at the root of your question then ask here…usually BI and I are fully amenable to further ecplanation…

            JOG

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            • Slick says:

              Perfect!

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              • Be informed says:

                @ JustOneGuy and Slick. May I make the solar flare intensity even more down to Earth as I have posted this before to those that have not seen it.

                Class A= Thunderstorm or weak low pressure system

                Class B= Tropic disturbance

                Class C= Tropic depression

                Class M= Tropical storm

                Class X= Hurricane

                X 1-5= Hurricane category 1
                X 6-10= Hurricane category 2
                X 11-20= Hurricane category 3
                X 21-30= Hurricane Category 4
                X 31 or more= Hurricane Category 5

                This is an estimate, but gives a good idea of what the Sun is doing with these readings.

                JustOneGuy. Extremely quiet with seismic activity today, something is getting ready to go. Still I am convinced Mexico to Chile is in for a whopper.

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                • JustOneGuy says:

                  Howdy BI,

                  Mexico City…isn’t that an ‘alluvial plain’, in essense? Yae Gods, if that happened there – in a city of , what, 10 MILLION people, and ‘liquefaction’ occured across the plain…My God…Horror…

                  While I’m here..Great Analogy on the post above…I never thought about assigning a relative measure such as you did there. excellent work Friend!

                  The latest frothe Solar front is that unlike the large, powerful M-class LDE flares we saw in the spring of 2012, the flare today did NOT produce an immediate concommitant decrease in solar electron flux, or increase in solar proton flux, ie…that likely, the total effect we see here will not be of the LARGE sort.

                  I noted the dearth (absence) of otherwise normal seismic over the last 24 hours and was just about to ‘shout-out’ to you here…thanks for ‘beating me to the punch’!

                  I am otherwise involved for a bit and do not beleive that we wil see anything notable in the next few hours…from anything, as it usually takes a while for a region to ‘re-charge as it were. The only possible exception to that currently would be IF 11734 elected to get ‘frisky’…that WOULD be worrisome…it’s quite large at this stage, a potential X-flare just sitting there, it is. Anywho, til later Friend…

                  JOG

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          • We all gonna die?

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        • Vicky says:

          Fascinating, as always, but I’m with “Slick”. A lot of this is over my head although I’ve started studying it. “Be Informed” has wonderful posts and I’m more well-versed in geology, so find them easier to follow. It’s really good that this community has both of you. Until the rest of us catch up, please just tell us when to duck and what to do. Thanks for all of your hard work!

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        • Red Leader says:

          JOG, I really appreciate your updates on this. Could you tell us what Class of Solar Flare that we should worry about? One that would fry the electrical grid? What size Solar Flare was the 1859 event that fried the telegraphs?

          Thanks, I don’t know much about these Solar Flares.

          RL

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Howdy Red,

            I’ve been a little pre-occupied getting ready for my up-coming move so I didn’t see your post-in. Perhaps this will help (addtionally, there is a post to BI at the pag bottom, below on this subject)

            When you look at the Sun, imagine the area which is proximally centered on same, roughly HALF the width thereof…this IS a BAD region from which a flare may “detonate”…the further away from that you go from THAT region, the better things get. In the missive to BI below, and in his missive as well, there are a variety of details thereon which should serve to answer your question. In short, anythinng which emitted from the ‘danger zone’ descibed which exceeded X-10, would BE a casue for concern…a planetary “Grid-wiper” would be likely anything above an X-30 within same.

            Various estimations exists for the Carrington Event, as you might expect, in that day and age we didn’t exactly have ‘state-of-the-art’ instrumentation so it’s a ‘guessing game’. IF you search the web there are ACADENIC papaers which attempt to do just that…the C-event had characteristics of everything from and X-30 to an X-68…you’d have to read the papers to get a feel for it Friend.

            As an anecdote here, which should be interesting to you, at least some stretches of rail lines in the North-East gad the butt ends of the rails themsleves ‘spot-welded’ together by the effects of the ground currents that were flowing after the CME from the C-event occured. Yep, that’s what I said, “Railroad rails, welded together ”

            Sobering, No?

            JOG

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            • Red Leader says:

              Thanks JOG,

              That was VERY helpful. If an X Class flare was observed how long would I have to unplug my solar panels from the charge controllers and inverters? Also unplug all appliances.

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        • If such an event damaged even 10% of our electrical infrastructure, it could easily set off a cascade of events as people panic. USA doesn’t have much wiggle room.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        REPOSTED…

        Solar Update III,

        Suprise!!…The genitive source of the second, much larger flare was NOT NOAA 11731!! Instead, it WAS the relatively, non-threatening remnants of the newly emerged, previously enumerated NOAA 11719.

        These coincidences ARE rare, but do happen. AT THIS point additional vigilance with respect to NOAA 11734 is warranted as not infrequently these things…events seperated by VAST distances across the Solar face are indicative of ‘hidden’ processes within the Solar body which are so manifest, unexpectedly…Watchfullness here Y’All…

        JOG

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    7. Ramadiron says:

      We all know its coming! Lets get back on the how do we survive it. I would like to see a SHTF invention article. Like all the best stuff people have made for shtf.

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    8. Patriot One says:

      I’ve said it many times they will keep printing till we have total financial contagion and collapse globally!!! Ashes, Ashes, We all fall down, that’s a kids game ins’t it?

      The only question is when????

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      • the cooking mom says:

        Actually, it’s a witchcraft chant-curse-spell. Renounce it!
        We were taught so much junk when we were children ….

        Keep preppin’

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      • @PO,

        Two years at most by my calculations. The currency printing wars will have peaked at that point wherein either a global currency will be established or those owing the most American debt and having a reserve of gold will form a coalition or independently, think China – Japan, and U.S. currency will be bumped as the worlds dollar.

        When that happens we will be as Cyprus is today only worse as no one could or has the ability to come to our help as the EU has for them. When I say has for them I mean how they have given them just enough but have made them slaves to the EU until it also collapses.

        Let your mind wander to the zone armed revolt here in America but keep in mind there will be nothing left but an empty shell. Each individual and his or her preparations will be the only thing you have left. A Mad Max world awaits us. Don’t be fooled by those who tell you that it will be a moment in time. No, it will be a re-birthing with the odds against us as being a whole nation once again.

        To make my case for this look only to the disintegration of the USSR. When they went broke the satellite countries went bye-bye because there was no reason to stay together. Most of those countries that were satellites have never recovered. Each of our states will do the same with perhaps a few staying together.

        This will lead us open to all other nations to be preyed upon like carrion on the side of the road. We have and everyone knows it unlimited resources that we have allowed the idiots / greenies / commie bastards to limit the use or harvest of these resources. When we fall apart the state politicians will beg others to come in and take what they want so that these traitorous politicians can continue to live a normal life style while rest of us, the peons, starve or be put into harness.

        I wasn’t even going to comment on this as I have said all of this before. Keep prepping and most of all keep God in your heart.

        BigB

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        • durango kidd says:

          The future of America has been revealed. WE will purge America, but it will remain a free nation under God. It won’t be pretty but the Union will remain intact.

          Read Washington’s Vision at SHTF Patriots.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        REPOSTED….

        “Ring around the ‘Rosy’”,
        “Pocket full of Posey’s”,
        “Ahses, Ashes…We all Fall down.”

        Reference to the Black Plague in the Dark ages in Europe.

        “Ring around the Rosy”…a characteristic ‘ring’ around the lesions which apeared at the onset of the disease,

        “Pocket full of Posey’s”…the medeval superstition which held that carrying the flower’s “Posey’s” would shield one from contracting the malaldy,

        “Ashes, Ashes…we all fall down”…stems from the burning of large pyres of Human bodies to attempt to further limit the spread of the disease…of limited effect, as many who so handled the corpses did themselves contract same and thereafter DIED…(All Fall down…)

        History as revealed through a child’s nursery ryhme…
        “Grim Fairy” tales indeed…FWIW.

        JOG

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      • Brain Dead says:

        Pat 1

        I just want to apologize for being crasp with you over the IFAK. It just struck a cord with me, that’s all. I’ve been in the mess, more than once. Depending on situation, you may need to drop gear to just survive, but what you won’t drop is your FLC where your IFAK should be attached on your left side or wherever you can reach with your opposite hand.

        We’re all in this mess together, I’m just trying to give you some real world advice. A real IFAK won’t ruin in water, banddaid kits, sure.

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    9. your police union at work

      cop fired 9 times..simply rediculous

      http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/miami-cop-fired-8-times-141430862.html

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    10. braveheart says:

      We all know the economy is dying and will collapse. It’s only a question of when and how. I’m still prepping and getting everything I can. I’m looking forward to this new article BI has been talking about. He writes some of the best articles I’ve ever read anywhere. Come on, Mac, bring us the article, please. braveheart

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      • jerrytbg says:

        I hear the sound of spears thumping on the wooden floor…
        Intensifying…signifying the restlessness of the natives… ;)

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        • Yes, yes, bring it to the table please. Let us see what Master BI has for us.

          BigB

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        • Vicky says:

          I don’t hear anything but rap music and the squealing of tires at the local bar. This is a depressed area, and I think everyone is already too numb to react. The nearest “larger” town has just declared a policy of free school lunches for every single student because almost 90% of the student body qualifies for free or reduced lunches. This is just incredible. More incredible is the jockeying of the local school board to make sure they don’t lose out on other government perks such as Title One and after school programs. We are so doomed.

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      • Chantilly Lady says:

        DOW is up to 15,000 on very low trading volume. This is a suckers rally– look at the records of insider selling, the retail trade is being suckered back in and some are leveraging up buying on margin…

        Karl Denninger brought up a good point on the unemployment figures and Zero Hedge touched on it as well– # of jobs may be up but the number of hours worked is going down. Denninger calculated it out and the month over month drop is equivalent to 700,oo jobs being lost. I think the number Zero Hedge’s article was in the 500 or 600K range. That is bad folks! And that was .2 drop going from 34.6 to 34.5.. I fully expect that to gravitate downward to around 30-32 by the end of the year…

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        • @CL, Good points. The actual unemployment should be at 20% if you were to take into account the retiring baby boomers (as if any of them can really retire) and the ungodly amount of people who have worked the Social Security Disability system when or while receiving unemployment. As for the low volume you are correct, it is a sucker bet to get the people to re-invest so they can lose it all. The people on Closing Bell, not Steve Santelli, are nothing but shills for Berkshire Hathaway and all the investment houses including the real enemy of the people: Morgan Stanley. And do not discount old Al Gore / Dan Quail manipulations through Ally Bank who are now working the Feds to continue to print more money so that inflation kicks in and with the devaluation of the dollar which means cheaper debt. The whole thing stinks!

          BigB

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          • Another point I wanted to make is that at the height of the depression the unemployment figures was at 23.6 %. The way they calculated back then has been so convoluted for political purposes that you cannot even make a comparison to the way it is now calculated. Suffice to say if you used the way they calculated back then we would be at 20 % plus. The U6 numbers for last month are 14.5 but that once again does not include those on SSDI. If you threw that into the mix you will be well over 20 %.

            Here are some interesting facts about the depression:

            http://www.interestingfacts.net/interesting-facts-about-great-depression/

            BigB

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          • Chantilly Lady says:

            I head over to Shadow Stats for a ugly dose of reality on those unemployment and inflation #’s.

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    11. Satori says:

      another member of the EuroZone tottering on the edge

      Ratings agency Moody’s slashes Slovenia rating to “junk status”

      http://www.dw.de/ratings-agency-moodys-slashes-slovenia-rating-to-junk-status/a-16782694

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    12. HarshrealistUK says:

      I have the same problem in the UK trying to convince people that the worst is yet to come, but it tends to fall on deaf ears most of the time.I blame the mainstream media, they claim we are in recovery. In my opinion nothing can be further from the truth. The Dow Jones climbed above 15000 today, and that’s against a backdrop of truly awful fundamentals.

      I have a link below from one of my animated cartoons trying to explain that the worst is not over, and that we have many people like Steve and Tracy to convince.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrIYcSp3Y-o

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    13. braveheart says:

      After watching the video of Ron Paul and Jim Rogers speaking, I clicked on the video of the Mountain Dew commerical everyone was outraged about. I thought it was cute and right on target. That’s PC for you. If you want something worse, check out the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report and see what they say about black males. That is an OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT STUDY! Strange that yuou never hear the PC crowd cry about that one. Braveheart

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      • teacher says:

        PEPSI CO knew what they were doing by creating that commercial. Think about it- who watches commercials today anyway. We all skip thru them with our dvr’s. What do kids like to watch? Controversial youtube videos. And guess what…all the hype and talk about the commercial is FREE! They’ve reached their target audience /buyers. Pretty creative marketing if u ask me.

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    14. Ready? says:

      Years ago I bought a double. I live downstairs and rent the upstairs.
      Where my friends went big on 401k… I put my money into my real estate.
      I now get $10k for life, just by going to the mail box. The govt. cannot take it like they can 401k.

      It’s all a house of cards ready to fall down.

      So they will confiscate my gold stocks of real value and give me paper value that they will devalue.

      FUCKING CROOKS.

      I always KNEW DEMS were COMMIES.

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    15. splinter says:

      We disobeyed economic law, no we disobeyed GODs law

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      • A Simple Soul says:

        @splinter, you get what is going on, many don’t.

        This war has been going on since men first walked the earth. What we are seeing is just another battle.

        What’s the difference if you bash your brother’s head in like Cain did, or rob some retired widow of her nest egg causing her to die from a stroke. Either way you’ve murdered someone.

        These things have to happen to fulfill God’s plan, as God is not a liar.

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    16. This is a bit like playing Jenga(Genja ?).

      The central banks have stacked the blocks to the cieling and now they are being taken out one by one, Greece, Cyprus, delining economic numbers all over, declining production all over.

      Eventually, one will be taken out at the wrong spot and it’ll all come crashing down.

      You cannot put world govenrments 5 and 10 times past their GDP in debt and have things work themselves out, but all of us were stupid enough to let them go ahead and do it.

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    17. “Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States,” President Obama said during a speech at Mexico’s Anthropology Museum. “I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will.”

      Well pal, you better, and just to remind you, the guns that went to Mexico, came from your Administrations failed (possibly was the intent) Fast and Foolish game of roulette

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    18. Anyone else notice BI’s absence? Re-editing? :)

      BigB

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    19. Southern Border says:

      Well crap, no ammo here this week. Load was delivered today and already sold out. Was told yesterday that the trailer wouldn’t be in until Saturday morning, damn lairs!!! Oh well will continue adding water & food to the preps this weekend.

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    20. Southern Border says:

      So what’s the deal with the thumbs up & thumbs down, do you have to have so many posts before you can use it ? Wont work for me here.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        REPOSTED…

        Howdy SB,

        JOG here, usually it works for everyone, all the time, that said…

        Sometimes – depending on the speed of your connection to the Net it may take upwards of several seconds to actually register…also, from personal experiance here, at times of heavy traffic (a lot of Folk posting in is a sign of that) then sometimes it doesn’t seem to register at all. Usually at that point I close the browser and reload it…seems to work.

        Hope that helps, soemwehat…Damn, but it IS aggravating when you TRY to do something and it just gives you a dumb look, like ‘Who Me?!’ ;)

        JOG

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    21. Watchman says:

      Words of Wisdom

      •Preparedness is expecting the unexpected.
      •There are no emergencies for those who are truly prepared.
      •It is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
      •How to do it: Re-order your priorities — get back to the basics.
      •Sacrifice immediate gratification to gain long-term security.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    22. Watchman says:

      This may be a repost, I don’t know, but if it is, it needs a second look anyway.

      WE ARE SURVIVALISTS
      He, who fails to prepare for the night, fails to prepare for the dawn.

      I am a survivalist and by nature a survivalist is an OPTIMIST. I do not
      have one pessimistic bone in my body. If what I just said sounds odd to you
      then you are not yet a survivalist and you do not understand the modern
      survivalist at all. It has been very difficult to communicate to the public
      and the mass communications media, the concept of an optimistic, hopeful
      survivalist.
      A fireman is a fireman, not because he believes everything will burn, but
      because he believes much can be saved. Doctors don’t believe in death, they
      believe in life, and a survivalist is not a survivalist becuase he believes
      everything must be destroyed and everyone must die, he believes that life and
      freedom can be saved, if people of good will are prepared. A fireman does not
      start fires, a doctor does not make disease and a survivalist does not make
      disaster.
      Crime, disease, war, revolution, fire, flood, periodic financial collapse
      and famine is the results of nature and the nature of man and unfortunately
      are not within the power of anyone on this earth to prevent.
      We all know that the sun will set each day, leaving us in darkness and we
      all know that warm summers give way to cold winters and that we can do nothing
      to keep the sun from setting to the cold winds from coming, does this make us
      pessimistic? I think not! So then why is the survivalist called a pessimist?
      when he makes ready to face events that are just as much part of history and
      nature as the sunset and changing of the seasons.
      Another misconception is that survivalists are predicting world disaster.
      On the contrary, we seem to be the OPTIMISTIC MINORITY that is predicting
      world survival. We are hard pressed to find any well recommended historians,
      economists, political scientists, sociologists or military strategists that
      can come up with a scenario that gives even a fifty-fifty chance of avoiding a
      large scale catastrophe, yet we survivalist dare to be OPTIMISTIC about the
      future. We survivalists do not need to predict the probability of disaster
      any more than we need to predict the sun setting.
      Those who critize survivalists, are like men who refuse to look at a
      calendar, in the hope that through self-imposed ignorance they can keep from
      aging another year.
      “You survivalists will be disappointed if we don’t have a world cataclysm”,
      here is another accusation that is pure B.S. and I could not think of a milder
      phrase to describe it. We survivalists have loved ones we don’t want to see
      hurt or killed, we have homes we don’t want to see destroyed, we are not fools
      to think that just because we are survivalists a world cataclysm would be fun
      for us or the we would not experience danger, loss, hunger, injury, cold or
      even despair and death.
      We have spent time and money to improve our chances for survival and
      recovery from disaster, but we would have a great celebration if some day we
      could be assured that we had wasted our time. No, we will not be disappointed
      if there is no disaster to survive, any more than the Red Cross is disappointed
      when there are no floods and storms or the man who buys an insurance policy is
      disappointed when his house fails to burn down.

      It may be said that the survivalist would much prefer the pleasant (but
      unlikely) surprise of being wrong to the (probable) deadly rude awakening that
      the nonsurvivalist will face if he is wrong.

      So, you see the survivalist cannot lose because his survival preparations
      will be of value regardless of what the future has in store. In time of
      crisis, those who have not prepared to turn to each other, will turn on each
      other.
      It is most regrettable indeed, that many people consider survivalists as a
      threat and regard them with suspicion and even hostility. This attitude is
      logically indefensible and is rooted in the nonsurvivalist own sense of fear
      and guilt. Subconsciously, the nonsurvivalist may hate the survivalist for
      reminding him of how fragile his lifestyle is. Now, let’s get the facts
      turned around right. THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE IN AMERICA TODAY ARE THE
      Nonsurvivalist. Every person who has not made provisions for surviving
      without food, water, fuel and other essential needs from the outside, is a
      mortal danger to his neighbors.
      What will a man do when he and his family are freezing, hungry, thirsty,
      sick and starving? He may ask or beg his neighbors for help, but when they
      have no extra fuel, food, water or medicine to give, will he just go back home
      to die with his wife and kids? What do you think? We survivalists who stock
      up on food and other supplies, now do a favor to society because what we now
      buy is replaced on the shelves so there will be that much more available in an
      emergency. We survivalists won’t be looting and killing for food. We won’t be
      a burden on the medical facilities or a danger to the police. Since we will
      be able to turn to each other, we will not need to turn on anyone and we may
      be able to help at least some.
      Survival preparation should be regarded as a social obligation, one that
      every individual owes to his family and community and his nation. The
      nonsurvivalist is simply a poor and irresponsible citizen.
      So the reality is, that survivalists are optimistic, self-reliant
      individuals, who cannot help but see the imperative of preparing for the worst
      possible events, while hoping sincerely, that they won’t happen. Today’s
      survivalist is an asset to his community and to the world and should be proud
      to be called SURVIVALIST.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    23. Satori says:

      filed under

      WTF ???

      DHS Seeks Millions More Rounds of Ammunition

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-seeks-millions-more-rounds-of-ammunition.html

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    24. Be informed says:

      Today I saw something that tells me that there is little chance of economic recovery or human society recovery. I saw the same idiotic jubliant erractic behavior on the main stream news today that I saw back in the summer of 2008. There was imbecile after imbecile “advising” evetyone to get into the real estate market before it was too late, to even borrow to get in on the good deals that will only continue to grow from here out. I lost all what little hope I had left for some common sense for the majority of the population.

      Ever watch the Chevy Chase movies “Vegas Vacation” in which Clark got the gambling bug so bad he was going to idiotic game after another to win something. He even had couson Eddie dig up his chump change around the yard that was buried to gamble until he won. He of course went bankrupt and totally in debt until some old codger dropped over dead and he picked up his winning keno ticket to save the day. There will be no save the day with those stupid enough to borrow to get into the stock markets, just like in 2008 and the 1920′s and early 30′s.

      People are being played just like what they do in Vegas and other gambling places with all the glitter, lights and false excitement. The only real way to possibly win at the slots is to play the progressive nickel and hope that eventually that you get the prize being offered with the low value jackpot. Playing the stocks is even worse because it takes everything you have over a long term period of time. At with one Vegas bad trip you might leave the weekend with your shirt.

      The stocks are an idiot’s game that snags the people that CANNOT afford to lose at the end of bull markets. It is just as bad as the poor playing scratch off lottery tickets. This sucker is born every minute keeps the stock market alive with its never ending stream of fools that will believe anything that these so called MSM “experts” say. Sad, but when the stupid don’t learn their lesson the first time, they sow their own bed of manure the second. Happy trails, until we met again, at the FEMA and welfare offices or the local food bank.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Howdy BI. Some of the readers been wondering where you were. Hope all is well at your place.
        Your comment about the stock market brought something to mind- I remember as a young man when the idea for tax sheltered retirement accounts first became popular. IRAs and 401k’s and such. Soon, I noticed large investment firms pooling the money (from millions of factory workers, school teachers and other middle class type folks) and putting it in the stock market.
        Of course, they had to invest it somewhere… but, even back then, I asked myself, Isn’t this a lot like the roaring 20′s when every Joe Schmo, from cab drivers to elevator operators, were all rushing into the market, often with borrowed money? Or their life savings? Only to get wiped out when the financial gnomes at the top of the scheme pulled the plug? At least that’s what it looked like to me back then. Get several million of the little guys suckered into the system, then dump it and collect their hard-earned wealth.
        I realise there’s much more to economics than this simple idea. And lots that I don’t undetstand about it. But it looks like today is just a replay of the same old scheme.

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        • Chantilly Lady says:

          You are correct on that one. Back in the 1920′s the equivalent of naked short selling stocks was all the rage and Joe Smuck gambled and lost his a**….

          Glass Steagall served us well for many decades.. As soon as it was rescinded the casino called the derivatives market was up and running again.

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        • yental says:

          “Get several million of the little guys suckered into the system, then dump it and collect their hard-earned wealth.
          I realize there’s much more to economics than this simple idea.”

          As far as the rigged system and stock market goes, actually Okie, I think you pretty much summed it up…there really isn’t much more to the “economics of the stock market”.

          Alot of folks tied into this racket via whatever form of retirement/investment activity via an employer, or individual decision, are being SETUP: and about to go bust with “the bubble”!

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        • Be informed says:

          @ SmokinOkie. I tell you, I have the worst feeling about what is going on with this world. I usually get this way over the years every May and October, as I feel that something horrible with happen around this time. There is nothing scientific about this, just that type of deep knawing feeling that something mega is going to break at this time of year. Could of course be at any time of the year, it just seems like May and/or October feels like the correct time for it.

          The logical sense of the times point to all sorts of events that seem to be leading up to something coming in May. I don’t like the Middle East right now, but truly the one issue that is plastered all over the place is how China is playing games with the U.S. currency. I think this is one of the most tell-tale signs of ugliness to come. As you know there is not too much holding up the U.S. dollar, and if the dollar collapses the country goes with it. Iran selling their oil for gold to India, China, and others and not using U.S. dollar is reason enough for an US false flag attack on Iran to stop this from spreading to other OPEC countries.

          As JustOneGuy has said, there is some real activity ‘flaring” up on the Sun. Mexico has a load of energy coming from it right now. 14 of the past 15 earthquakes on plate boundaries have had previous major earthquakes that have followed in the past when the same spots were hit, and that was Mexico most of those 14 times that hit from Mexico to Chile.

          I have seen so many old TV shows and movies that have the same theme to them before something huge breaks, it doesn’t feel right, there is something brewing. This is the way it feels, more so than any time before. Sometimes I just don’t have much to say, or like yesterday I spent the better part of the day attempting to fix something, not successful. Jack of many trades I am, but certain items you have to have someone repair for you. The main thing is to try, as with what is coming up this is all we will have. So I guess all is not too well, but nothing serious. Thank you for your concern though.

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        • Chantilly Lady says:

          Plus you have the big boys gaming the system by front running.. They can see into the queue of open orders for stocks including the max or min someone will pay/sell for a stock and in a few nanoseconds can buy by and sell the price of the stock to their advantage– without saying you are the loser..

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        • HI Smokin…
          You’re a simple guy, that sees through BS…
          Pump and dump IS the Game…. whether it is houses, stocks, or whole countries…
          Kinda what ole Tom Jefferson warned us all about…

          A banker once told said, when asked about the complexity of its contracts and other financial games they were playing… his response;

          “There is profit in complexity… and its inevitable results.”

          Keep thinking simple, and you’re on the right path towards the Truth.

          (And you, keep on truckin’ dude.)

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Reposted…

        Howdy BI, Smokin’

        To be truthful here, after long consideration of exactly what the both of you mention, I am arriving at the horrifying conclusion that Humanity is simply too abjectly stupid to have any significant chance at going on into the future, beyond this that we see today…
        Individual people are Smart, yes…but gather thenm into groups of any significant size and well…
        Everywhere you look People act like a mass of lemmings; Do you all know what a lemming is? It’s a smallish rodent that lives in the northern reaches of the world, a rather unassuming little mouse-like thing that ordinarily lives much as does all other things we know of…

        BUT…IF, as it happens every so often that there is a population explosion due to a richer than normal year, a year of abundance…then IT happens. Suddenly, without any obvious warnning they will collect in VAST ‘herds’ and simply begin travelling in some arbitrary direction till they eventually come to a cliff…

        …at which point – by the millions – they simply follow, one after the other, over that cliff, to fall to thier deaths. Gee…does that not sound EXACTLY like what we see regularly in the Human sphere…is that not EXACTLY what we see in the Stock Markets, time and again… a mass of creatures unwilling or unable to THINK for themselves, who blindly ‘follow thier leader’s’ to thier dooms?

        It is all so OLD and STALE…wil Humanity NEVER learn?

        I FEAR this is a Human genetic trait…amd I THINK that a “culling of the herd” is nigh to hand, therefor.

        As always, “Nothing to SEE here, MOVE along Citizen’s …Have a HAPPY “LEMMING DAY”, the CLIFF is JUST AHEAD, Hurry up now!!, or you’ll miss your chance to do what EVERYONE else is doing, step right on up…and OVER you GO…

        Tedious, isn’t it?

        JOG

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        • you don't need to know says:

          This is going to sound bad, but what is it that you want to save? When TSHTF I’m goign to see alot of horror and really wish it won’t happen!!! TRULY! But so many people talk about what is going to happen and how they want to save America. Personally, I think America needs a washing. Kids are assholes now, there’s no respect, total spoiled rotten people. God is a shadow. I don’t think these people deserve a second chance. America needs a cleansing! I don’t want this kind of America saved! And if you think I want millions of people to die, you are wrong. I just think we’re going to get what we deserve as a nation.

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Howdy You,

            Invariably, “Payback is a BITCH.” About sums sit up, doesn’t it?

            Your reference to “God is a shadow” is one I hadn’t thought of, a good one. In the long millenia since civilization firt arose, Humankind has struggled, with faltering steps to become something more than it ‘is’. It appears we are nearing the end of that effort now…Score is “Banker’s INFINITY…Everyone else, ZERO”.

            What I really find interestig is the mindset that you must have to BELIEVE that youn are going to RAPE the World…and get AWAY with it…talk about the very definition of “Hubris”…

            I see burning pyres of the corpses of the Wealthy in the near future, with People…regular People coming all full of cheer, bringing thier kids to roast marshmellows over them…I mean HOW STUPID do you have to be to beleive you could pull this shit off? Like I said above, “Lemmings”

            The happy thought here is that when 6.7 Billion People are gone the Earth will be a right Happy little place, lots of Wildlife, Clean air, Clean Water…What more could you ask for….See you there, We’ll do the Bar-B-Q thing…hopefully, some others here can show up as well.
            Wouldn’t it be a hoot if we got Daisy, Smokin’, BI Norse Prepper and a slew of others together AFTERWARDS?!

            Think about it…

            JOG

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            • you don't need to know says:

              Totally agree JOG! It sickens me how people allow themselves to be handled the way they do. And than when I try to explain how they have this beautiful house with it’s beautiful mortgage, and they think they are successful bc they get the write off on their taxes…DUH! Our freaking government rewards those in debt…. I feel like getting a bumper sticker that just has the word DUH on it bc that’s everyone around me..LOL. OF course, I’m the tin foil hat looney on the block…. Not much longer!!! 55 days and counting!!!

              And I’d love to come for a BBQ!!!! Too bad we can’t talk about locations and where we all are! I go nuts if I can’t come read this site at least once a day!

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Same here you,

                27 days left, then “Vaminos!!” I’ve actually never looked forward to something so much in my entire life;
                Me, Mine, More of the Creation than anyone has a right to and Him, as well…nothing else. To be sure, Friend I wish that I could take everyone here along with me, it’s a damn shame that we don’t GET to pick our family in life…but WERE ir so, I would take Y’all with me…just the thought damn near brings tears to my eyes…I WILL miss everyone here more than I can say…I am ata LOSS for the words…sufficient to express that, Imagine!

                …all of us, starting OVER again, CLEAN and FRESH!!

                Now, that’s something to dream of…

                JOG

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            • Norse Prepper says:

              I’m there!! I’ll bring the venison!

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Reposted…

                Howdy NP!

                Brother…COME ON DOWN!! ;) IF, we all make ‘it through’, I’ll HAPPILY HOST that Shin-dig…it IS a Good thought…ain’t it?

                JOG

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                • Norse Prepper says:

                  I would love to get a few of us together over a camp fire some day, but for OPSEC would be almost impossible to set up. Maybe when private messaging happens…

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        • Merree says:

          I agree with your comments about herd mentality but let me put in a plug for the lemmings. They do not actually form suicidal packs that leap off cliffs. Blame that on a Disney creation. They created a turntable to hurl lemmings off a cliff to make it appear that the lemmings were leaping to their death. It added drama to their nature documentary.
          The closest thing that comes to lemming suicidal packs is when lemmings migrate in large groups. They sometimes try to swim across rivers and streams and, if the streams are too wide or turbulent, many of them may drown.
          The only creature stupid enough to follow the herd in self destructive behavior are the so called intelligent human species.

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      • NYSE 15000=Time for a culling.

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    25. Satori says:

      H7N9 update

      no new cases reported today

      but Saudi Arabia is reporting 3 new cases of nCoV

      http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2013/05/saudi-arabia-three-more-ncov-cases.html

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    26. Enuff_is_Enuff! says:

      Upcoming false flag??

      Hundreds of pounds of explosives missing from Montana bunker….
      http://www.kxlf.com/news/hundreds-of-pounds-of-explosives-stolen-from-montana-bunker/

      Could there be any dots to connect for May 5?
      http://americanholocaustcoming.blogspot.com/2013/04/important-message-from-navy-seal.html

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      • 3n3my of th3 Stat3 ;0P says:

        DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE !!!

        -Pamela Rae Schuffert- is a Fraud an experienced Transient Criminal Grifter from N.C. now living in CFalls M.T. , running a Fear Porn donation $$$ Scam on the naive and faithful sheeple who read her bullsheit .

        ;0p

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      • @Enuff_is_Enuff!,

        I don’t know about this message / email deal from Pamela Rae Schuffert. It is my belief that some thing is afoot but that email is not very specific. Plus I think you can screw with numbers enough to get any date you want from anything. Just saying not enough facts for me to get worked up over it. But then again it could be true. Who knows, all you can do is prep for the worst and hope for the best.

        BigB

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    27. Chantilly Lady says:

      and if you weren’t pissed off enough— bankers scheme to use bail-ins to fund their salaries, bonuses aka renumeration

      http://silverdoctors.com/banksters-plan-use-of-bail-ins-to-fund-their-own-bonus-payouts/

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    28. SmokinOkie says:

      I think if Obama had a son…he’d look like the goat in that Mountain Dew ad.

      Talk about a double standard- JC Penny got criticised for the “Ship My Pants” online ad. But the criticism came from some Christian groups, so Penny basically said ‘Up yours’ to the groups and started airing it on tv as well.
      Mt Dew caught flak for the online ad of a goat in a police line-up (all others in the line-up were black gangstas) so… Mt Dew quickly apologised and pulled the ad.
      Here’s the double standard- could it be that it’s okay to offend Christians because they don’t riot and burn cities when ticked off? (unlike certain other offended groups?)
      Personally, I’m a big fan of free speech. But Mt Dew lost a great opportunity- they should have used the goat in an ad with some towel-headed muslims. The humor possibilities there would be endless!

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      • yental says:

        Unfortunately S.O., I believe I am now obligated to report you to that “doopity dawg” in Floredia as a potential threat to National inSecurity.

        Never mind…I would have to give up my 5th amendment right and turn myself in first.

        KEEP ON TRUCKIN! Finally had the opportunity to expose my age and use “that phrase” appropriately. RED LETTER day at the “yental” house.

        Better stop while I’m still (a) behind.

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      • AnitaSweater says:

        It’s not OK to offend Christians, Okie. Penney’s is sliding downhill really fast right now because every Christian that can ‘see’ has pulled their support from that venue. Never shop there ever again. Period. (Too bad all are going that way eventually. Would really like them to know that they caused their own downfall.)

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      • You have to go to K Mart to ship your pants.

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      • LOL – “snitches get stitches” For some reason that commercial really made me laugh. I don’t know or care if the PC police think there was some thing wrong with it. Still laughing while I write this. LOL

        BigB

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    29. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 ;0P says:

      Surviving The Obama Apocalypse – Mike Adams

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrdNN-OkeKY&feature=player_embedded

      ;0P

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    30. Ranch says:

      I am not sure if there will be riots because the people, I mean not the average SHTF reader or the average business owner, but the average flag-wrapped sheep American who focuses on sports and tv personalities. These average Americans are so clueless and brainwashed, they won’t ever retaliate no matter that rights are taken and corruption in government is rampant. There will be no protests, no mass riots, no revolution, when the people are brainwashed into thinking their true enemy is a best friend.

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      • Red Leader says:

        When the EBT cards stop working, or are devalued by 50% or more, there will be riots within 72 hours. There are 50 million on food stamps (EBT) now. Thats all it will take.

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        • Grippentrog says:

          We will continue to pay them not to riot. That’s all welfare is. Give them enough to keep them from getting the gumption to do anything. Losers make loser choices and have loser values. Losers will scrape by on just enough. The real worry is when the fed has no way left to suppress rates. Then the middle class will take over.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Wait till the dollar and the euro are worrh less than the dust on your shoes and those EBT cards dont work at all, that should get interesting real quick.

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    31. KY Mom says:

      Homemade Febreze

      What you’ll need:
      1/8 Cup of fabric softener (I used Downy April Fresh)
      2 tablespoons Baking Soda
      Hot tap water
      Spray bottle (I used my empty 27 oz. Febreze bottle)

      Preparation:
      Using a funnel, pour fabric softener and baking soda into your spray bottle. Fill spray bottle with hot tap water and shake well. (Don’t forget to twist the nozzle over to the LOCK position if you’re using a Febreze bottle.)

      Store-bought Febreze: $5.59
      Homemade Febreze: $0.15
      Total Savings: $5.44 OR 97.3%!

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      • Satori says:

        KY Mom

        yer not tryin’ to get us all arrested are you ???

        http://www.themarysue.com/kiera-wilmot-arrest/

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        • yental says:

          Add a pint of “moonshine” to that recipe and it sounds like a decent recipe for a “Mind softener” as well. Possibly even a “downy-the-hatch” and wait for it…hemorrhoid “soother” as well.

          Sorry, I really don’t intend to belittle a legitimate “prepper suggestion” from a consistent “good tip” contributor. Forgive the intrusion. My A-Hole gene is running in overdrive mode.

          Is it just me, or does anyone else have that “hair-on-the-back-of-my-neck-standing-up” FEELING?

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          • JayJay says:

            To the point that I am uncomfortable leaving the homeplace without dh?
            Yep..that ‘hair on the back of neck standing up’.

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            • yental says:

              Thanks for the verbal confirmation Jay Jay. Too many negative “vibes” in the unified field. Something is “off”. Kind of hoping it was just me. Maybe not.

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              • JayJay says:

                Oh, Yental, in my neighborhood, I keep my head down they are so misinformed and delusional.
                The story above of the airport discussion of calories in coffee?
                Hey, my neighbor is worried about dandelions in her yard to the point of spraying them!!!
                Now, that’s ‘head up the a**’ for sure.

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          • KY Mom says:

            yental,

            Here in eastern KY they don’t usually add moonshine to that recipe. :)

            I do understand the “hair-on-the-back-of-my-neck-standing-up” FEELING?

            You and I and many other people know something is not right and can feel it in our gut.

            Take care! Keep prepping!
            KY Mom

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            “In spades, more and more, every day”.

            Futhermore, I DON’T think it’s gonna get any better…

            JOG

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      • patientmomma says:

        Thanks for the recipe KY Mom!

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      • Chip says:

        Do you use 5% white vinegar for a fabric softener? We buy 50% acetic acid and cut it to 5% which makes it cheaper than buying vinegar at the store. Don’t use 50% for table or canning use because it is a by product of oil distillation. You can buy 20% vinegar and use it for canning because it is produced by adding sugar to ethyl alcohol and fermenting it again. A real waste of ethyl alcohol.

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        • I agree on the waste. Today, I’m making some ethyl with fresh “yard grown” dandelions. Hopefully it won’t turn to vinegar before I use it. lol. I appreciate your humor, sir.

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    32. braveheart says:

      Howdy, Smokin Okie, yur points about the Mountain Dew ad are well taken. As I said in an earlier post, the PC crowd would be more upset to read the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report and see what it says about black males. It says thaqt black males are more likely than any other group of people in the US to commit serious and violent crimes and that is an OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT STUDY saying those things about the homies. It’s interesting how the PC crowd ignores that. That Mt. Dew ad was right on target and it would’ve been better with Muslims in it. If the shoe fits….. braveheart

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Hey there, braveheart! Yes, sadly, some information is just not allowable. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. What counts is whether it makes people uncomfortable.
        That does two things- it persuades the members of the group themselves to believe they can act like criminals. And yet, nobody is supposed to point that out, since it would be offensive to them.
        Secondly, it marginalizes those within the group who live by a higher standard of integrity. Within the group, they are called ‘sell-outs’ and outside the group, nobody knows they exist. Propaganda at its finest!

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    33. Be informed says:

      @ JustOneGuy. On Sept.19, 1985 the 8.0 that hit Mexico was about 200 miles away from Mexico City and look at all the damage it did. You are so correct about Mexico City being on the loose soil, like a bowl of Jello. Fortunately for Mexico City the major plate borders of the Cocos plate are to the west and the northern Caribbean plate is to the south. Still there exists a potential for a upper 7 to maybe low 8 someday very close to the city. Much pressure from the Caribbean plate sliding east and the Cocos plate ramming into the North America plate moving northeast creates much tension like the twisting effect that influences the New Madrid.

      In regards to the comparison from the solar flare index to the tropical storms chart is something that I enjoy doing a lot, making it interesting for others to see what an experienced person in astronomy such as yourself sees. Many times I have found that even with earthquake and geological terms and what is happening requires a really more layman’s type of explaining so everybody understands it. It is not that people out there are not intelligent, that is hardly the case. They are just unfamiliar with that aspect of science. When you explain something on terms that someone can make a visual picture in their minds, they understand. Trying to explain this to those idiots trying to ban pressure cookers would be easier to try to explain this to some alligator. Thankfully the people here are magnitudes brighter than these dim bulbs that follow BO like he is the second coming or something.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @BI
        What is your opinion on the window for a big event over the next few weeks, read about it on George Ure s urban survival website, just interesting to see if other shaker watchers see something too.

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    34. Satori says:

      hmmm
      article about preppers in Mother Jones

      Preppers Are Getting Ready for the Barackalypse

      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/preppers-survivalist-doomsday-obama#13676251762961&action=collapse_widget&id=7214754

      what do you think kids ??

      thumbs up or down ???

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    35. NeoIsolationist says:

      In another thread I posted in a few days ago, I made a few remarks regarding my Ruger 10/22. I added the below info to that thread. Given that we’re talking about doom and chaos in this post, I thought I reasonable to post it there as well. Purpose of duplicate posts is just to make sure everyone has an opportunity to read this. It’s important and useful to me, and I wanted to share.

      I said I just got some Williams fire sights, a swivel set, and a sling to go with what’s on there now. I just picked up the rifle from the gun shop, after getting the new firesights put on there. 1000 percent improvement. They’re tritium irons that make shooting much faster. Combined with the bolt release and mag release I have on it, I’ve got a great little rifle. Here’s the link to the stuff I bought. I very highly recommend everyone get these upgrades:

      Williams firesights (3 dot, for about 20 dollars)

      http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-sets/3-dot-fire-sights-sku962602130-26034-36558.aspx?mc_id=11000&ch=csh&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c747_a_7c962602130_d_962633300_d_10906

      Here’s the auto bolt release (about 9 dollars):

      http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/688102/volquartsen-automatic-bolt-release-ruger-10-22-black

      tactical barrel band (37 dollars, not necessary but useful if you want a bipod):

      http://www.amazon.com/ProMag-Ruger-Carbine-Tactical-Barrel/dp/B003BAAJVG/ref=pd_sim_sg_6

      Extended mag release (40 dollars. expensive, but worth it):

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006PH9B0C/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0079QKBD4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=04AX81147E7NT4W73AEX

      Swivel set for adding a sling (12 dollars or so)
      http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/275030/blackhawk-lok-down-sling-swivel-set-ruger-10-22-44-carbine-number-3-1-steel-blue

      A very good quality, very cheap sling:

      http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/3-0609307

      note, with the swivel set, you need a 1″ wide sling.

      Thinking about getting this, if I can see the irons with the mount attached:

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083OHL7U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B002GNYCJ4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1ZWX1HM06CCEXQ91T781

      This stuff adds up to about 200 dollars. I’ve had this rifle for about 3 years. Got the barrel band, bolt release, and extended mag release first. Then got the rest just recently.

      The real benefit is the ability to perform a fast tactical reload and get the bolt pushed forward again quickly, which the basic 10/22 can’t do. tritium sights make low-light conditions as well as normal light easier than the standard brass dot front sight and v-shaped rear sight.

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      • Thanks Neo for the post and links. I took my 10/22 out to the range a few days ago to test fire it with the iron sights. Had to drift the rear sight over with a brass punch and lower it some to get it printing good @ the 50 yd line. Of course it ran without a glitch. I’m looking at getting the barrel band with the rail and possibly putting a light on it. That’ll give me the chance to smoke some rabbits around the property when it gets dark.

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    36. 3n3my of th3 Stat3 ;0P says:

      ‘ IT’S TIME TO CRUSH THE BANK !’
      ‘ IT’S TIME TO FIGHT BACK !’

      Anonymous – OpWorldBank

      * Spread the Words of FREEDOM LIBERTY FREE-SPEECH and RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS by writing them on your money $$$ before using it for purchases .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=FQw5OTANrx4

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      • Wasp says:

        3E,I Received a bill in change, that had a stamp on the back that said (U.S. Not U.N.) which was enclosed in a circle. I rather liked it. Short and to the point.WASP

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    37. Anonymous says:

      unemployment at 7 1/2? Bennie said printing will stop at 6 1/2.

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      • A Simple Soul says:

        Satan is a liar, it’s his native tongue.

        Jesus said, “I am the way, THE TRUTH, and the life”.

        Proverbs tells us that “God hates lying tips”.

        Bennie is a liar, Bennie is on Satan’s side, even if he does not know it.

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    38. Greyghost says:

      Bennie said he would stop printing at 6 1/2 percent unemployment. Notice how we are stedily plodding to that number.

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    39. P.A. farmer says:

      On the subject of not bing able to get People to Listen to whats going on around them,its hopeless, frist of all you would have to go back to the 30′s and start, and how People like the Rothschilds control all Media,ect,ect,an the story is just to long I just dont have the time. like jayjay said if thay dont get it move on. I’ve been here awhile but just started posting, I would like to THANK everybody “The Elite here on this site” for all the leg work you do to keep all of us informed of things I Personally dont have time to find on the net..THANK YOU,AND GOOD LUCK.

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      • PA,
        Thank you for those words, however…

        The Elect are the smartest People of God…

        The ELITE are the smartest People of Darkness…

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Hows the weather in your area!
        Planting season started or not yet?

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        • P.A. farmer says:

          Put oats in this weekend an trying to get ready for corn, weather has been slow coming, but nice out now good workn weathe, I think it’s gona be dry this summer, an not much snow for the water table here, I never Worry I’m in a Artesian well.

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            The dry is a problem, our rainfall in our area is way below average again, beef guys are dry and already feeding what cows they have left, rains dont affect my market crops because i irrigate but my cover crops and borders and the watershed are always a concern, especially now that our county govt just passed a bill giving the mayor and water director the power to raise the rates in a drought declaration, weve been under a drought declaration at least part of every year for the last ten at least,

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            • P.A. farmer says:

              Ya thatss a bummer about your water sounds like Rape. Lost most of my oats last year, do to rain, then no rain when the corn needed it. started useing Liquid Fertilizer last year because. of the price of dry, Learning curve. all so went with little bit of On pollinated corn for the seed, hybird is crazy, but it did better than the hybird, but everybody here had Problems because of no rain, Except the notill guys who can get in early when its still little wet

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        • The s.e. has seen cooler than normal weather my garden is off to slow start. I’m worried the hot weather will hit hard before the plants can get established. Lots of rain. If the high heat holds off I should have a banner year. Peace.

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    40. Grippentrog says:

      Nobody knows wtf is going on. Ben is technically right that gold is not money. Nixon took us off the gold standard. Word games and three card monte. Ben thinks he makes sense. Rogers also messed up his treasury shorts and china views. China is great business. Moves to china and moves back due to health problems associated with pollution. Bets against the people who print money are not wise bets. Fact is none of these guys have a clue. They tout when they guess right and make up lies and excuses when wrong. Don’t invest in anything these morons tell you to. They are all over the map and are wrong as much as they are right. 50/50.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        @Grippentrog….

        “Ben is technically right that gold is not money. Nixon took us off the gold standard.”

        Actually….It’s just the opposite, and Helicopter Ben couldn’t be more wrong.

        Gold IS money. This fiat currency called Federal Reserve Notes is what is NOT money.

        Someday, you’ll see this is true, when the best use for those FRN’s will be either toilet paper or tinder.

        Gold has always been money, because it represents a store of value. It takes work to get it out of the ground. The Fed creates billions of FRN’s with the keystroke of a computer. Its intrinsic value should be obvious, but to some it is not.

        At present, the U.S. Dollar is the world’s reserve currency. This is the ONLY reason it has “value”. This is rapidly changing. And there will be a tipping point and the world will abandon the dollar as the reserve currency. When that happens, the dollar’s REAL value will be evident to everyone. To date…dollar denominated assets have simply been the best looking horse in the glue factory.

        Do some research on the history of fiat currencies, and you will see that this is true.

        It’s not “different now”. Helicopter Ben can no more violate and dismiss the laws of economics than he can the laws of physics.

        This house of cards WILL come down. It’s just a question of when.

        Right now, the Fed pumps more and more worthless “money” into the economy, which is creating another stock market bubble. They are doing the old “rope a dope” on the naive public, ….creating the very next “crisis” for which they will provide the solution…which will be another rape of the middle-class.

        This IS yet another instance of the Hegelian Dialectic in action.

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        • Grippentrog says:

          Gold is in fact worth more than money but currently based on money and technically not currency. My point was Ben can play word games and technically but not practically be right. I think we agree I’d I read your post right.

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          • Walt Kowalski says:

            Yeah…I think you understand my point.

            What has to be understood is that there is a difference between money and currency.

            What we have now as the “approved” medium of exchange, is a currency….and a fiat one at that. It is by no means money.

            REAL money has to be a store of value. Therefore, a fiat currency CANNOT be considered REAL money. The only value it has is what has been declared. The word “fiat” means, “let it be so”. And it is good just so long as the public as a whole accepts it as such.

            A study of both the conditions leading up to the French Revolution and then the Wiemar Republic in the 1920′s illustrate what happens when the general public no longer has faith in a fiat currency. When that happens, then what becomes most valuable are the things that people need the most. Food, medicines, clothing, hygiene products…and the means of self defense and defense of property.

            But trading in commodities of daily necessity soon become cumbersome. And that is where the need for a trusted medium of exchange becomes evident.

            History has illustrated over and over again that when the fiat currencies fail, what rises to the top….what IS accepted as REAL money….are the precious metals…more particularly silver and gold. And the reason is because they have both intrinsic value (they have value in themselves) and they are portable….easily transported. They are also easily recognizable and at least in the case of coins…..easy to determine whether or not they are counterfeit or genuine.

            As an example of this….in the 1960′s, two pre-’64 dimes (90% silver) would just about be sufficient to purchase a gallon of gasoline. Today….those same two dimes hold enough intrinsic value at today’s price of silver to still purchase a gallon of gasoline…and you might even have some change coming to you. However…how much gasoline would two post-’64 dimes buy you? Not even 1/10th of a gallon. Because post-’64 dimes have been debased….they are in fact “fiat”..just like paper dollars are fiat.

            The pre-’64 silver coins are therefore…REAL money. They are a store of value, as evidenced by their obvious worth in my example above.

            Helicopter Ben can say anything he wants. He can maintain all day long that gold and silver are not money. He might as well say that the sky is green and the laws of physics no longer apply. He would be making just as much sense.

            The closest example I can give to our fiat money system today is the little story “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. Read it, and see the parallels.

            Let’s be real here, and realize that we all continue to make use of this fiat system at this time. That doesn’t make us hypocrites. But the smart people will know that this system is a sinking ship. And they know that when a ship is sinking, you’d better be making plans on how you’re going to deal with going in the water. Smart people look life jackets and a life boat. The “victims” arrange the deck chairs and act like nothing is wrong.

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            • Walt,
              Very nice posts, history should be our guide.
              What were the last words the last Roman Emperor heard before the Goths sacked Rome?

              Probably something very similar to what we’re going to hear…

              “The color of your money is no good.”

              The only question remains, who are the modern day VisiGoths?
              The Chinese?…

              …and there is no new thing under the sun…

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    41. Satori says:

      The Monarchs of Money

      explains quantitative easing (massive money printing)

      the bankers are clearly in control

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-03/monarchs-money

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    42. Ready? says:

      I’m so happy things are screwed up.
      It will be so much easier to sell success stuff. ha.

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    43. Wilbur "D" as in dipstick Ross says:

      You guys need to chill out. No is going to have pay back anything after it all collapses. So stop worrying about how many zero’s the numbers have. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to ever pay back and that is the game. Get on board with it.

      Now, it would be different if the plan was to actually salvage the country and make a go of it — but that is not the plan. Get all you can while the gettin is good cause when the music stops there aren’t gonna be enough chairs to go around.

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    44. Ted Kennedy says:

      I just shift my pants.

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    45. PenCRNA says:

      The way they keep revising numbers down, I feel that by July, they’ll be slowing printing, or bumping interest rates. Doing all I can to invest in tangible and durable goods.

      On another note, DH went to store while I was out of town. Kielbasa was .99 as opposed to 4.49. He bought 20 pkgs. lady in line behind him was floored when they scanned card and total was $26. Neighbors son was bagging groceries. They both wondered what he was gonna do with all that kielbasa. Ron said “Put it in the freezer.” I don’t have to buy any for a year now. The lady didn’t know you could freeze it because the sell-by date was one day after he bought it. Idiots. I just hope the kid doesn’t tell his mother (who’ll b1tch when my chickens start to cluck). And would gladly make a phone call to that commie in Florida.

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    46. braveheart says:

      Howdy, Neo, I have a 10/22 with stainless barrel that I bought new in 2005. It’s the best and most accurate .22 rifle I’ve ever owned. I’ll get a set of those sights you recommend and maybe even that extended mag release. I’m also considering a polymer stock for my baby. any suggestions? braveheart

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      • NeoIsolationist says:

        No suggestions on the stock. I’ve stayed with the standard black polymer stock the weapon came with.

        I really don’t see anything I want, although the folder stock with pistol grip, which otherwise looks identical to the standard Ruger Polymer stock, is one I have considered. Only reason is b/c it will fold into a smaller footprint, making it easier to stack in a small gun safe.

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      • NeoIsolationist says:

        Actually, I just found one for you. It’s in this video. the speaker says who makes it at about 4:27 into the 8:22 minute video.

        he calls it a ‘ati strike force adjustable stock’. He’s using the extended mag release I mentioned above. It looks decent, but would probably add a lot of weight to your 5.5 pound rifle.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=mC4deRmJ4tc

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    47. Nautigal says:

      It’s my 40th birthday. Beyond the most eff’d and bizarre I’ve ever had. Opened up to a few of my closest and dearest about reality. No clue. Don’t wanna hear it. Can’t face it. Whatever. I’ve always been dependent on those closest to me. I’m a chic with small kids – never thought I could do it all by myself. Talk about a mid-life crisis. Thank God for you guys. I’m on my own. Not a good place – however well prepped. Just don’t understand the denial. Speak the truth and be shunned ( and i didn’t even hit the tip of the iceburg! ) I am through the looking glass. We are at WTSHF. It’s already ugly – and sad – but will get much worse. Oh, will it ever. How hard it is right now not to hate my fellow man. I love my friends and family but the lunatic is in the hall.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Howdy NG,

        Yep, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of a 40th going off well, and that IS aside from ‘coming out’ as a prepper…

        Boy! You SURE ‘Hung-one on there” didn’t you. Well, again, welcome to the Club. I’d like to say that ‘it get’s better with time…”, problem is…it doesn’t. That said, you’re in FINE company, with many, many others…

        Oh, and “Happy Birthday”, FWIW… :)

        JOG

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      • Nautigal,

        Happy Birthday… and many more.

        Ah… to see forty again… ;)

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        At least you dont have a partner who thinks your nuts to be thinking like we all do! Thats the problem i have, sort of a tough place to be in, not really sure how that will play out if things get dicey,,,,

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    48. Be informed says:

      @ Red Leader. You asked about what size the Carrington Event back in 1859 was. Some people actually put it as low as an X-25 flare that was Earth directed, pinpoint. Others say it was as high as a X-150 flare that was not quite directing aimed at the planet. No one knows and there is a lot of speculations from this. This is why I used the comparison between the way they rank a hurricane. You can see the catastrophic effects of a major hurricane which is Category 3 or above. This would be an X-flare of at least 11. Just like a direct hit with a hurricane, a solar flare is the same.

      Back about 9 years ago a solar flare that was either X-28 or X-40, the debate goes on with this one, went off but only hit a glancing blow on the planet. Just like an area several hundred miles from a Cat 5 hurricane, they only feel tropical storm winds and storm surge fractions of what hit an area dead on. Had that flare gone off 2-3 days earlier, the whole world would have changed dramatically. The planet “dodged” not the proverbial bullet, but the proverbial hydrogen bomb.

      The Quebec flare of 1989 was only in the range of a X-8 or X-9 and did a lot damage to that province of Canada to the electric systems. Other large X-flares such as the Bastille Day likely not above a X-10 flare. This planet has not seen recent catastrophic flares that can produce Sun side EMP’s to the planet, other than the one that was a Cat 4 or Cat 5 on the chart I had above.

      Really, the main concern of any X-flare above a 5 or so is where was it when it erupted. On spaceweather and other sites you can see the location of a sunspot where these things originate from. The most threatening one right now to the planet is AR 1734. This is because it is rotating into a direct Earth hit should it erupt with an X-flare. The Sun rotates around and if you look at a picture of the Sun everything on the left hand side is rotating to right hand side. The middle is of course the worst spot for a flare to come from as this is directed bull’s eye right at the Earth. There is only about a 5-6 day window of danger of an Earth directed flare. About 2-3 days before that midpoint is reached and 2-3 days after.

      You can look at AR 1734 right now and it would be on the western fringe of that point that would be enough Earth directed. AR 1731 would be just out of range. This should give you an idea on the Sun where the danger range of sunspot is. For the next 5 days or so AR 1734 remains in that window should it erupt. IF this region had a strong X-flare, the worst possible day would be about Sunday night or Monday morning as this would be very close to that Midpoint. Again, visual pictures on the sunspots with the numbers of them are on space weather to check out.

      When that super flare went off 9 years ago, it was just about where AR 1728 is now. When I saw this I said to myself, no real danger to the planet’s electronic system, but we are going to get some serious auroras, which reached down to northern Florida it was that intense. I hope this helps a lot, and what to look for in the future to a very potentially dangerous threat from a real solar EMP that would devastate the planet.

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    49. JustOneGuy says:

      Mornimg BI,

      A couple more GRB’s over the last 48 hours, both of the very small variety. Solar APPEARS to be setting up for another ‘run at it’…I’d say within 18 hours or so.

      The Quebec incident was unusual for the following reason. The flare from which it originated was rather smallish low X-class,,,but the particular cirucmstances –

      specifically, that day – lead to the largest instrumentally recorded proton counts EVER seen. Do you remember the large ‘events’ of early 2012…in those we saw proton counts

      reach upwards of 6300 pfu, Yes? The counts for the Quebec event exceeded 40,000 pfu. THAT is what lead to the enormous ‘ground plane currents’ which incinerated various of the

      UHV backbone transformers which the Eastern grid relied upon for eletrical transamission, and which are the backbone for ALL such on the planet…

      The generation of a CME is VERY mercurial in HOW it is ejected from the solar suface…much like the vagary’s we see in “Wind” when standing out in an open fleld. IT is NOT

      simply a spherical expanding wavefront …though someties it CAN be…very, very ‘variable’.

      The 2003 ‘Hallowwen Storm’ has since been reclassified as an X-48 by academic’s broadly, authoritatively. The particualr occurance was such that the Flare ‘detonated’ JUST

      as the genitive region was ‘passing into shade’ around the western limb of the visible disk…hence, little effect was seen here. HAD that occured at almost any other point on

      the Solar surface….we – Humanity – would have been SENT back to the stone-age, permananetly.

      Why? It takes ENERGY and energy transmission to refine and manufacture the parts of the transformers that are used to transmit electricity…if ALL those were GONE it

      would NOT be a mere 5 or 10 or 50 years until we ‘rebuilt’ it all…

      In the aftermath of such an event Humanity would simply CEASE, as the starvations and plagues which WOULD follow would decimate us, utterly…there wouldn’t be enough
      PEOPLE left to REBUILD so extensive an infra-structure, PERIOD. Such as that you already know Friend…I AM being explicit – here – for the benefit of the others who are

      reading this, now.

      As it happens there is a simple ‘fix’ which would preclude any such from happening…the simple addition of an inductive/resistive ‘load’ to the ground lines of EVERY UHV

      (Ultra High Voltage) transformer on the planet…the problem is that those WOULD have to be taken off-line, each and every, to effect such a replacement…which the power

      company’s WILL NOT do, not cost-effective. Soooo when the “lights go out”, the FIRST group you all want to pay a visit to would be the Power Company executives who didn’t

      think that such as THAT was ‘neccessary’!

      Say ‘Hello’ for me when you do so…I’ll be elsewhere. Have a good one today Friend…

      JOG

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    50. Good Morning All. BI, can’t wait for Mac to post your article. Can you give us a hint as to the nature? It is a beautiful day here in N. California. Little Smokey. Tomorrow morning is the big day for harvesting and moving my bees from one hive to another. Old hive is rotting out, 20 years plus old. I am going to try and document with pictures everything I do and those of you who I have an email address for I will send the pic’s and documentation of what I am doing. Just hope I don’t ruin a camera in the process as the honey finds a way of getting on everything.

      BigB

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      • Be informed says:

        @ BigB. Hint? Okay, after this article comes out you and everyone else that prepares for emergencies is going to have a nice bit of verbal ammunition against those that think that preppers/survivalists are crazy. It won’t be so easy for others to repudiate and berate the people that are readying themselves for what is coming.

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        • Cool! Unlike some others here I never tire of telling the disbelievers of what is to come. I told them 7 years ago but never held it over them when they scoffed at me.

          Everything I have told my friends and relatives that was coming has come true. Funny thing is though that even though they know what I am saying is true they cannot believe, scratch believe and insert accept, it. My friends and relatives for the most part are intelligent but they cannot rap their heads around it all. Perhaps it is an age thing where even when they know it they cannot believe that things have and are going to hell in a hand basket. I think some times they would rather die than live in the world that is coming.

          BigB

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            I know this is bad of me but i actually sort of cant wait for things to melt down, be interesting to hear the reactions when i ask the dis believers……
            What did you think was going happen?

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    51. Deltagbear says:

      I have tried and tried to wake people up and it has cost me a lot! I spent 8 years in the Army as a 91W and served our country proudly. I spent 12 years as a civilian EMT I/D. I have dedicated my life to my family and friends and my community and at one point was well known and respected… Since my eyes were opened a few years back I have lost my reputation and am just known as a “Doomsday prepper”. I tell people I cant afford to be a doomsday prepper! lmao I am amazed daily how facts and proof are ignored and how some even acknowledge that things are FUBAR and yet they do nothing.
      I am currently seeking out other “preppers” that I can move my family to join with. I believe that will be key and I cant afford the land on my own. If anyone has suggestions on anywhere else I can look, let me know. So far there are 5 of us families that are ready to relocate and build a small prepping community to have your brothers back at all times.

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    52. CrabbeNebulae says:

      Times are bad and scary all over and there’s not too much anyone can do about it. Learn to live in an “off the grid” mode as best as you can (I didn’t say go off the grid somewhere but learn to live as though you were). Stock up on food, guns ammo, tools and medicine. Grow a garden and learn to forage. I love my air conditioning, hot and cold running water, indoor toilet and internet and would be hard pressed to enjoy life without them after being spoiled by these luxuries for so long but I would manage. There’s simply too much to do and too many local problems to deal with to worry about what the bankers and warmongers are doing. A fox raided my neighbors chicken yard yesterday and killed most of her chickens. A bear raided another neighbors trash can a couple days ago and left garbage, bear crap all over the yard and bear tracks in the mud (that’s how we know it was a bear). Coons and possums raid my back porch every night and make a big mess searching for something free to eat (In some ways, they are just like humans). Armadillos tear up the yard and garden. Poisonous snakes (water moccasins, rattle snakes, copper heads) are slithering in the weeds waiting for something to bite, (wife found a huge moccasin in one of the chicken nests awhile back), fire ants are everywhere and deer eat the beans before they make. So, you see, there are just too many local things I have to deal with which doesn’t leave me much time to pay attention or even give a shit what the thieves and murderers in Washington are up to. Ron Paul speaks the truth but he whines too much about it instead of giving constructive advice about what each of us must do to rectify the problems. We need specific, not generalizations. He should be organizing a hunting party and leading the charge. Gotta go now as I have to weed eat and mow my grass this morning.

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    53. Y'all Beware! says:

      Subject: QUOTE OF THE CENTURY…………. STILL TRUE!!!

      “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome will become bankrupt.

      People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance.”

      – Cicero, 55 BC

      Y’all Beware! So, as my cousin from Down Under would say, “Evidently we’ve learned bugger all over the past 2,068 years.”

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      • THEY ALL FORGET!!! says:

        History repeats. It’s important when they pass gun laws that we don’t comply.

        I did not buy some weapons as I knew what was coming.

        I’ll stick with the rem 870. Nice gun.

        The rugar 10/22 is a nice gun too.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncqIPpgSy50

        Don’t underestimate it’s power…
        Small, light fast, cheap ammo.
        Get his with one of these in the lungs and you’ll have a real bad day.
        If one survives until nightfall.

        Blue helmets.. A nice weapon to do a take down and wait for more targets to show up. If the UN invades with “peace keepers” from russia and china….it will be a turkey shoot.

        I think that’s the plan…crash the dollar…then bring in foreign troops.

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    54. Be informed says:

      @ you don’t need to know. You said that your husband has links to what is happening in Israel. What do you and your husband make of Israel launching attacks against Hezbollah arms shipments in Syria this morning? I have been looking at Debka and Jeruslaem Post and the leader of Hezbollah is saying this will not go unchallenged. This escalation can occur like back in 2006 very quickly. Hezbollah has several hundred thousand rockets ready to fire into Israel, this is 6-10 times what they had in 2006, as Iran has been arming them to the teeth. It has been estimated that the amount of conventional firepower per square mile of land is more than anyplace on the planet, now and before, even in WW2, the Korean War, or Vietnam War.

      I have talked with a couple of Israeli soldiers that say the amount of weapons that Hezbollah has is not exaggerated at all. They say that Hezbollah actually have more rockets aimed at Israel than North Korea has aimed at Seoul, South Korea. They also said that this type there is a lot of preparation that is going on for a vast number of chemical and biological weapons hitting Israeli cities. Waht do you make of this?

      @ JustOneGuy. See the large scale eruptions on the eastern most portion of the Sun this morning. This will rotate into Earth directed possibility of flares in about 5-8 days. Many times these “hot spots” fizz out before reaching the danger spots, but this one looks pretty intense. “An uptick in geoeffective solar activity appears to be in the offing” is what space weather is saying. If this region stay hot or gets more active over the course of a few days, the planet could be in danger of a major flare and an EMP. What do you think about this possibility over the next few days?

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      • you don't need to know says:

        Morning BI, I just asked him what he thinks about Israel this morning and he said basically that Syria is being overthrown by rebels, who are financed by terrorists. What Israel is doing is making sure no weapons go from the Syrian rebels to the terrorists hands. He says that Syria is too messed up to do anything serious, but they can get weapons to terrorists groups who have the means to do damage. So Israel is protecting themselves by not allowing weapons to go unchecked.

        Hope this helps!

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    55. PoPo says:

      Just as BO begins his round 2 on gun control, Brian Williams begins his nightly news broadcast with a story about domestic violence and firearms. How predictable. The story unfold with deputies confiscating firearms from homes where a domestic violence injunction has been issued. Certain States allow this type of confiscation and you can rest assured that these type of stories will now begin to surface in order to sway public opinion.

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    56. Y'all Beware! says:

      Bi,

      Well I enjoyed filling up my tank this AM, gas was $3.22 per gallon and that is not what I payed.

      Now it seams that the boys are cranking it up again in the Mid East, I predict gas will go up this afternoon.

      I used Bi LO fuel perks this AM and a guy walked by as my pump was showing $1.64 per gallon. He was wondering how in the hell I got gas for such a low price. I told him about the program.

      Under the banner names of BI-LO and Winn-Dixie, the company has 686 grocery stores, many offering fuel, throughout the eight southeastern states of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.

      Y’all Beware! Y’all can Google Bi LO fuel perks program, go to the site, enter your city or zip code and see if it’s vailable near you. Good Luck.

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      • Iowa says:

        Better watch it. The Government hates nice people. You’re in danger of goimg to Heaven where the angels serve God’s children.

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    57. Iowa says:

      God Bless all of you on this most beautiful Sabath. God Loves you!

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    58. jerrytbg says:

      Thump…thump…thump…

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    59. THEY ALL FORGET!!! says:

      http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/297647-michelle-obama-gun-violence-makes-schoolchildren-fear-death-daily

      Hey Michelle Obama…this links for you….seems you all forget about what went down.
      My Dad was just 12 when millions of people surrendered their guns and their governments killed them. How do we know all of congress won’t go 100% black and you all pass laws against white people?

      HITLER’S DEATH CAMPS…..

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1233&bih=675&q=HITLER%27S+DEATH+CAMPS&oq=HITLER%27S+DEATH+CAMPS&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l4.1975.6694.0.7010.20.13.0.7.7.0.83.811.13.13.0…0.0…1ac.1.12.img.1dR9yi8qevY

      THIS DIDN’T HAPPEN 1,000 YEAR AGO…IT WAS JUST A FEW DECADES AGO.

      STAY ARMED FOLKS AND IGNORE ANY STUPID GUN LAWS.
      WE’RE ALL COUNTING ON YOU TO NOT COMPLY.
      DO NOT COMPLY!!!!

      WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP OUR GUNS.

      YES….CAPS ARE FOR SHOUTING…AS NOBODY IS LISTENING.

      I fear the dems. more than anyone…because they are commies in reality. Fools.

      Fuck the UN and their gun ban treaty.
      As soon as Obama took office….we all got armed!!!!

      American freedom is under attack and in time….people will stand their ground.

      I SAY BOYCOTT NY UNTIL BLOOMBERG GOES AWAY!

      I think the NRA needs to organize boycotts.

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    60. THEY ALL FORGET!!! says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=1Q2BXH0JfOc

      Let’s face it.. The jews own the banks and the media companies.

      If you have one goal in life… make sure your kids are armed and not debt slaves to these people.

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    61. BOYCOTT NYS says:

      As soon as Obama took office… I bought some guns and ammo.

      This guy is going to take them all.

      If there’s a currency collapse and the gang bangers venture into my burb…
      they will discover that all my neighbors are armed.

      Seems the federal government is getting way out of hand.
      Who the fuck do you guys think you are?
      We’re all hard working Americans. We pay taxes and live quiet peaceful lives.
      Then you pass gun laws that make us into criminals.

      I also bought a nice compound bow.
      If the gun doesn’t do the trick…the deer shaft designed to break bones will sure do the trick.

      Shit… we’re all scared of the cops enforcing the dems shit laws than the criminals.

      The feds are a bunch of nazis. Plain and simple.

      I’ve never been arrested, have 3 degrees.
      But I feel like a criminal now since the NYS gun laws.

      BOYCOTT NYS PASS IT ON.

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    62. Pencrna says:

      Dang. Just left SAMS. Prices are up. Next paycheck ill be back to get some extra stuff. Honey was up a buck since last month. Among other things. Keep on preppin’.

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      • the cooking mom says:

        Hey, it was there to purchase! You had the money!!
        Now it’s at your house! I don’t see a problem ….

        Keep preppin’

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      • JayJay says:

        I remember when a quart of Amish honey was about $8.
        A quart last year was $14; a big increase in their price.

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        • CrabbeNebulae says:

          I used to buy honey locally until the suppliers bees all died last year. I recently bought a couple pails from Emergency Essentials. You can buy honey in 60 pound pails (5 gal) from Emergency Essentials for $188.00 + $12.00 shipping. The shipping is a flat rate regardless size of your order, one or five buckets. That comes to about $9.70 a quart for two buckets. Honey in bulk is a good buy at that price since honey does not go bad. Even if it crystallizes and hardens you can still soften it up by heating. The bees are being systematically killed off for various reasons, generally man made. Stock up on honey while you still can.

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    63. Watchman says:

      Just because the shit hasn’t hit you in the face, doesn’t mean it hasn’t hit the fan.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    64. Be informed says:

      @ JustOneGuy. I am really beginning to wonder about this relationship between the Sun’s activity and the earthquake activity. As you said before when it heats up on the Sun, things down here quiet down. They just had another Pacific Antarctic earthquake that is of course between the Pacific and Antarctic plates. Just like on April 30 I checked to see how often this lead to major earthquakes later. The same percentage, the same low %, of 60% of the time. Again Mexico is primed, 15 out of 16 times now since this little sequence began. The earthquakes were all larger, 6.8-7.4 that occurred that 60% of the time.

      I think you have a correlation between the Sun and earthquake activity. What I am wondering about is the next major X-flare that is Earth directed. You know I thought about that all day about what you said that this massive flare was X-48 nine years ago, and how IF it had gone off 2-3 days beforehand how different everything would be right now for most of the world. I mean crap, these fools go around saying that people that prepare are nuts, yet they have no idea just how close they came to Armageddon 9 years ago.

      Here’s the thing, there is really no reasonable limit to just how massive a flare can be. I have read that flares they think have reached X-300 or larger in the recent geological past. They have thought that either one of these flares or a gamma ray pulse caused one of the largest extinctions in life about 260 million years ago, at the end of the Permian Period. As you are aware of, a super flare is not only the electronic problems, but the masses of radiation that will hit the planet and reach the surface. During intense flares there have been times when airlines were grounded due to dangerous levels of radiation. This was ONLY from little “candles” in comparison to what has happened before.

      I don’t know how much radiation would have hit the planet if that large flare 9 years ago had been Earth directed, but I imagine people living at higher altitudes, say above 5000 feet could have gotten some degree of cosmic radiation. I don’t think there is anyway of researching this, but it would be interesting to see if the people living in the mountains after the Carrington Event of 1859 had an increased level of cancer in the years after this occurred 154 years ago.

      Did you ever see the Outer Limits episode “Inconsistent Moon”? Everyone on Earth saw the moon brighter than anyone had ever seen it. The scientists thought the Sun had gone Nova and the moon was literally on fire and burning up and the dark side of the Earth had not yet been fried until it rotated around. Anyway they discovered it was a super mega flare that did this. While this is science fiction, the output of the Sun taking a giant “belch” should never be underestimated. One day, if man doesn’t beat the destruction of society to the punch, you may well be warning all of us of a potentially dangerous X-flare that could erupt at any moment. Your input to all us is most appreciated about the Sun and the second after effect that one day will come, it has to as it as countless times before.

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      • oUCH says:

        BI – 5.1 moments ago NE of Navarro Jalisco Mexico. I’m well over 1.5 hours South of there right now.. felt it strong.. weird one. Rolled like an Ocean wave.. perhaps 8-9 rolls.. didn’t actually count. Seemed like it lasted a long time.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ oUCH. The USGS is reading this as a 4.4, but I don’t trust there downgrading practices. I had no idea you were between Guadaljara and Acapulco. This is the area of Mexico I have seen a lot of energy coming from and directed to the plate boundaries around the Pacific. I would definitely be taking some very serious precautions to what is likely coming. I don’t know if your home is well suited for a 7.5-8.3, because from all indications this is likely what is coming to this region. Could be a little south towards Salina Cruz, but more likely this area I have seen much stress coming from.

          Most of the previous major earthquakes after these precursors have been between about 16-20 degrees north. A couple of them were further north, and one south of here. What I don’t like is that there was not something in the mid 6 to mid 7 after all these energy signatures were pointing to the region of Mexico to Chile. This tells me something quite large is coming. Too many times there has been earthquakes on the western sides of the Cocos plate and Nazca plate, always something big follows. This time it is delayed a lot, that is terrible news because it means that something with so much energy is keeping the faults locked up enough not to break. The Cocos plate is one of the fastest moving plates there is and usually a large earthquake occurs long before now after this much action to the west.

          Something else I did is to check out after the Sun gets active and dies back down, something quite huge usually follows. This is why I do earthquake forecasting for the whole world, because people from the whole world visit this site and maybe I can forewarn someone and save their life or save them from getting injuried. All I can tell you about Mexico is that something should have hit by now. This likely means something much bigger is coming. The more you can reinforce the areas of the foundation of the home where beams met the better. Joists connections are where wood frame homes fail, since wood is fairly pliable like the way trees sway in intense winds.

          Glass is one of the number one injuries after earthquakes. I good pair of shoes will save your feet after a quake. I have known too many people that have shredded their feet after moderate earthquakes. Fire is one of the most likely ways people will die immediately after a quake. Your supplies should be in a location where you can get to them if most everything collapses arounf you. I will try to alert everybody where the next quake is coming. Right now my best guess would be Mexico, Peru to Chile, Kermadec Islands, southern Japan and China, Philippines, and India/Pakistan. The window for this is till May 19, or until more precursor quakes tell something different. Anyway try to stay safe.

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            LONG post to BI, skip it and go on Y’all.. ;)

            Morning BI,

            Acutally, such as that is not my assertion; Allow me
            to clarify here. The basic assertion is that GRB’s are
            the only thing capable of SIGNIFICANTLY altering the
            half-lives of radio-isotopes here to produce the effect
            I posited in sufficiency. The sun likely ejects brief
            pulses of neutrino’s (which DO participate in the decay
            process,’reversibly’) but this effect from our Sun is
            likely too small to play into the equation that defines
            seimic activity here. Again – Friend – the expanation
            is TOO long to post-in here, neither do I think that
            it can be abreviated without it’s meaning being lost;
            my apologies therefor…

            Instead, the only effect we SHOULD ‘see’ from Solar
            activity is that expected, the transfer of momentum to
            the core from the passage of CME’s around or near the
            Earth…as said, the GRB thing is another matter
            entirely. Oh, while I’m here…we DID just monitor a
            few hours ago somesuch…at around 08:22 UTC. As usual,
            being that is IS a weekend, we’ll likely not have a
            ‘read’ on that till late Monday.

            We did, in fact, “dodge the bullet’ previously. As
            I mentioned to RL in a previous post here, IF that had
            occured at nearly ANY other point on the visible disk
            the consequences would have been grim…had THAT
            occured within the classic ‘danger zone’, the near
            -cenral region of same, it would have been ‘lights-out’
            probably forever.What most do not comprehend is that
            Humanity, moreover, civilization is a ‘living thing’,
            in essence. No such thing that so ‘dies’ and can
            thereafter be ‘revived’, Eh? It took Humankind 7000
            years to get where we are at now…IF that were
            disrupted then there is NO guarantee that the process
            would not be wholly fatal to ALL civilization on Earth.
            The Carrington event occured at a time when we were not
            ‘Life-and-Death’ dependent on the flow of electricity
            for the maintainence of ALL our daily activities….We
            ARE “uniquely vulnerable” to any such occuring now.
            Simply put, the number of dead human’s would mount up
            SO FAST in the aftermath of any such that perhaps those
            remaining would NOT be ABLE to ‘rebuild’ anything later,
            and if they did…what would be left when 6.5 Billion
            People ARE dead…in only 3 months after the ‘event’?
            Grim indeed…

            It is likely that there are effective ‘upper limits’
            on just how large flares from any star such as our
            Sun, in it’s current stage of ‘Life’ can be, but that
            is NOT to say that we have any current real
            appreciation for the true magnitude of such. Many
            months ago I posted in as to having ‘stumbled’ over
            a research paper, NASA generated, by some of thier own
            researcher’s in-house which suggested STONGLY that in
            the last 2 million years there HAVE been ‘energetic’
            events, whether Solar or no, which passed through our
            Solar System which ‘vitrified’ lunar scree and brakia
            on the surface of to a glass-like consistency which
            could not be accounted for by ANY impact process.
            Those same researchers concluded that the specific
            isotopic abundance of Nitrogen and Argon in the lunar
            samples analysed suggested a Solar origin. IF so,
            given what we know about the lunar surface – airless,
            no shielding magnetic field, then it COULD be
            surmized that such COULD have exceeded an X-70
            equivalent.

            Therefor, say ONE X-75 in two million years
            (erring on the safe side, as it were). I could be
            ‘comfortable with such as estinmate by the simple
            observation that WERE it any greater, or more
            frequent then likely WE would SEE more evidence
            of ‘Mass die-off’s” in the geologic record. That
            said, there remains the issue of the ‘Silurian-
            Ordovician’ die-off some 500 Million years ago
            (trilobytes) which we DO have reason to beleive WAS
            GRB-related. As an aside here Friend…be careful
            with the figures you are bandying about…an X-300
            would be nigh onto a Nova-like detonation from which
            NOTHING left in this Sysem would remain alive…
            literally trillions of times more powerful than
            anything EVER conceived of as being ejected by our
            Sun. This is a gentle remonstration I give here.

            Towards the end of your missive you mention the
            amount of radiation one might recieve during such;
            a point of clarification here if I may. The danger
            in a VERY large event is not any arising from cosmic
            or any photonic manifestations but comes instead as
            the effects which would arise in the exposure of
            life on this planet to VERY high energy protons.
            A tiny fraction of all 100 Mev protons ejected from
            Solar events reach the surface of the Earth. As is
            the case in any ‘normal’ distribution as the energy
            rises the peak energy’s are predictable. the up-shot
            of that is that protons with energy’s at or above
            100 Mev reaching the surface would rise dramtically
            with a doubling of the intensity of a flare and the
            effects of THOSE are VERY bad. By the time that you
            were considering a flare in the X-40 range you would
            neccesarity be talking about a CME ejected at nearly
            3000 km/sec…very relativistic energy’s indeed. 20
            some-odd hours later the number of protons arriving
            therefrom which managed to strike the Earth’s surface
            would be a thousand times greater than what would
            occur subsequent to an X-10 Flare.

            For all that though this cycle is WEAK..at this
            point nt during the last cycle we had seen several
            “X-teen” flares (X-10+)…this cycle, none as yet!
            Too, the average Penticton flux is MUCH lower,
            indicative of STRONGLY reduced total solar emissions.
            THAT may change in the aftermath of the 27th…it
            DOES seem that such are the ‘prompt’ for divergences
            in the character of observed solar activity.

            Whew!! Enough!! :) I will have to look up the PL
            episode you mention…tht would be almost exactly
            what would be seen if one side got fried. Before I
            leave I suppose that I should leave a write-up with
            as Mac to what MIGHT happen…Hmm, yes..I will…

            JOG

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            • Be informed says:

              @ JustOneGuy. Really this is only what I read many years ago. I am postitive that whatever has happened in the past has well exceeded X-50. I watched that X-48, or X-40 and that was something quite spectacular but nothing what the Sun is capable of in comparison to the surface size of the Sun. It of course would have EMP’ed the planet big time and left people will nothing unprotected that is electronic on the effected areas workable. However, people still do have the refined and finished products that an EMP would not affect. This is important to consider.

              First though I would like to address the X scale, I admit that I was using a type of logrithmic scale based on the size of the initial eruption. So what I would appreciate would be if you could rank in size an X-50, X-60, X-70, X-80 and so on up the line and exactly what is the scale that they officially use. I remember reading in either Astronomy magazine of some space magazine at the newstand at around the time of that X-40-or X-48 flare that flares have reached into the X-100 to X-150 range. I am not familiar with the scale that they use as I am with the Earth based scales used with hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc. Please explain this to all of us, because that large flare in my opinion could have been much, much larger than what it was. Also I can remember that some of it was on the face side of the Sun from the space weather map that they have.

              In regards to even a planet wide EMP, we still do have the refined products of tools that are thankfully vastly better than trying to remanufacture. People are so darned addicted to the modern age, but a vast number of people are not in third world countries. To them an EMP means little as they are already living primitive. An EMP will not affect the climate much, so as long as they have they oxen to plow the fields and the rains come, they will not even notice an EMP. The U.S. and other countries are in deep manure as you say.

              Again, people living off the grid will fare okay because they can adapt. Firearms will still work, hammers and saws will, etc. People will be thrust back into pre-20 th century conditions, but again thankfully have the refined (unaffected EMP) products that 18th and 19th century man never had. Die off like you say, absolutely. Probabaly what you say is the high end of it, 6.5 billion, as the low end would likely be 1/2 the population, about 3.5 billion.

              The real key to any recovery is the knowledge curve. People with the manpower and again the refined products can rebuild what is lost because they know how to. It might take decades, but it can be done. To take a cave man that knows nothing, you have stone age. To take a person such as yourself with that acquired knowledge and the books to show how to backing you up, you and others could get humanity back to early 20th century in a few years.

              I was watching the science fiction Back to the Future 3, this is my favorite one. Doc Brown had constructed a workable refrigerator back in 1885 because he knew how to do it and had rudimentary tools. This is hardly farfetched, especially with loads of finished goods to work with. Regular motors and engines will still function after an EMP. You can still likely mow your grass after an EMP because the engine does not have the electronic parts to be fried. The basic foundations are there after a planet wide EMP for some recovery. What I would be far more concerned with a true mega flare would be the cosmic radiation hitting us that would kill off the planet. I so much truly enjoy your knowledge of space related issues.

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              • Night breaker says:

                BI ,
                I have a horrible thought maybe this is what the powers to be are preparing for (carrington event) ( Gammaray burst ie , hint Betelgeuse ,Alpha Orionsis, 642 light years distance , spectral type M2 LAB , variable) check out the data on GSFC Hubble data . It may be quite sobering .
                I thank I have allready said to much.

                Semper Fi 8541

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                • Night breaker says:

                  Link: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/herschel/news/herschel20130122.html

                  NASA Story Official , Read between the lines.

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                • Be informed says:

                  @ Night breaker. Will we hear about it even if the MSM knows about it beforehand? No we will all be fed what kim kardashian is doing about having here first child. No we will hear about some scandal in congress about some senator that was caught doing something perverted. We will have breaking news about one of the Boston bombers’s twitter discussion about how he liked a certain food and that lead up to the what happened.

                  Right now World War 3 could be on the doorstep in the Middle East and the “news” is talking out the side of their mouth.

                  You know what the Mainstream “news” Media reminds me of? Someone sitting with their hands down their pants, like Al Bundy in Married with Children TV show, and the blankest of stares at the TV screen or computer screen. 99% of the population has allowed themselves to fall into this zombie induced state.

                  The animals of the planet are feeling the tension and danger right now way more than most of the masses. The next mega disaster is coming from space, from within the planet, a super pathogen, war, whatever, and most everyone is spaced out wondering about the NBA, NHL playoffs or something else that has absolutely no bearing on their well being WHEN something happens. Thank goodness for sites like this that still have people that think and have open minds.

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Good Day Bi,

                I am not sure what you mean by the following,

                “So what I would appreciate would be if you could rank
                in size an X-50, X-60, X-70, X-80 and so on up the line and
                exactly what is the scale that they officially use.”

                Do you perchance mean, as in the fashion you did with
                Hurricanes, previously? Please clarify this for me Friend.

                The surface of our Sun is large yes, but that only
                slightly plays into the potential which it has for
                producing extraordinary events. In truth, our ‘home-star’
                is very sedate by stellar standards; were this NOT so,
                then it is likely that life would never have been given
                a sufficiently period in which to evolve. Such is, I
                think, a compelliing argument, therefor. To be sure,
                by the very discussion we have had above, ‘Things’ do
                happen, but like Yellowstone or Toba, they happen only
                VERY infrequently. Certianly, it IS hard to predict
                something which has as it’s scale million’s or ten’s of
                millions of years…

                My singular concern with respect to aNY Ultra-High
                magnitude event, from ANY source whatsoever is the
                time-frame’s upon which Human life centers itself…
                2 minutes without oxygen; Death, 3 days without water;
                Death, 10 days without food: Death. ‘Tis a grim
                pattern to THAT and my concern is that in any such,
                ESPECIALLY in the ‘Developed World’ that THESE time-
                scales would operate to lethal effect with an
                inescapable velocity for nearly all so subject to.
                Those in the developed world would – in my estimation
                - be unable to ‘realign’ thier reality’s at anything
                resembling the time frame’s I list above…so, then,
                “Totality’ in the developed nations. Neither does this
                account for the ‘unanticipated side-effects’ which
                would occur thereafter. The number of unburied corpses
                left out in the environment would almost instantly
                foster the incubation and spread (through carrion
                eaters) diseases for which NO antibiotic was either
                available OR effective. Thence, it might well be the
                case that ANYWHERE such as that occured, that the
                ENTIRE bio-sphere of that region would be thereby
                poisoned, completely, ie, that it would thereafter
                become wholly inimicable to Human life….probably
                for GENERATIONS.

                That said, as you note, it would be the case that
                regions of VERY low population density (apriori)
                would have a chance to NOT suffer such as that. As
                well, it would LIKELY be the case that those regions
                would be agarian in nature…thus and so more
                capable self-sufficiency than would others. BUT, were
                it the case that they were wholly dependent on our
                modern tech, then it’s the same thing again;
                ‘game over’. Such as this was what was operant in
                my mind when I penned my previous missive in relply
                to you.

                The knowledge curve is of PARAMOUNT importance in
                any thing such as we speak of here. MUCH of what was
                once ‘known’ broadly is either absent, or resides in
                the minds of ONLY a very few today. As to the
                availability of various remants of the Worlkd at large,
                Yes, BUT…subject to my observation above; IF you
                could NOT sagely enter into those ‘zones’ to extract
                from there what was valuable…then what? Also, there
                IS the issue of ‘facility’, ie, it is one thing to know
                OF somethijng, another altogether to be SKILLED at the
                PRACTICE of….

                I am called out for a bit Friend, dwell on my points
                herein for a bit..as always, many Thanks for your good
                efforts…clearly, you ARE a dedicated soul. Top ‘O the
                Hat therefor…Incidentally, I AM very much enjoying this
                ‘expansive’ dialogue!

                JOG

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          • oUCH says:

            Well, just got here last night.. and yes, the Mexican EQ Center first reported it at 5.1… literally moments after it hit.. then downgraded it after they had time to actually review the data. It was weird feeling though.. I’ve been in several small to medium ones here and usually, they are a huge jolt sometimes accompanied by an actual really loud “cracking” sound that is heard “everywhere”. This one just “rolled”. It felt really weird.. like being on a boat. Is that perhaps because it was so far away ? Sitting in a 90 foot tall building that is rolling like an ocean wave is REALLY disconcerting. This building survived the really big one they had in 95 or so.. I don’t recall it’s size, but it was well above 7 I believe; so God Willing, perhaps it will survive another biggie.. any further comments on this are appreciated and even anticipated.. as the comedians like to say.. I’m here all week.. except in my case, it’s all month. ( business travel )

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            • JustOneGuy says:

              Howdy oUCH,

              Yep, there a ‘pattern’ lately to what we see from the USGS with respect to these endless ‘revisions’ as you yourself note…BI is beside himself lately over this exact thing. I guess we have to start thinking of it like we do all the revisions to the economic numbers…

              …Ooops, it’s NOT real floks, we just ‘make it up as we go along’…type stuff?! ;)

              I’ve always beieved that ‘boots-on-the-ground’ beats everything else out as far as ‘knowing the truth’…Thanks for the updates!

              JOG

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    65. king krazy says:

      the shit is hitting the fan right now! what’s it gonna take for people to see it!

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    66. BOYCOTT NYS says:

      http://cnsnews.com/blog/dan-gainor/lefty-sirota-we-are-incinerating-planetbecause-too-many-us-eat-cheeseburgers

      Funny…we paved the planet with roads, parking lots and even roofs…but none seem to get the concept that all that surface area replaced trees, which helped cool the planet.

      A world of fools. One day they will get this and laws will be passed that you have to have so many trees planted so many feet apart.

      I prep up because the world is run by jerks and fools.
      Just look at Japan.. 6 nuke reactors in a earthquate and tsumani zone.
      HA.. I still laugh at that.

      Watching all the stupid humans is now sport to me.

      The latest is the chemtrails…
      They are such fools and know not what they do.

      I’ll just say this..
      If all goes bad.. we’ll just open the elite bunkers by force and…

      EAT THEM!

      I view the elite safety bunkers as a food cache if things go bad.
      We’d just close off the air vents for a few weeks….

      Message to the elite… you are NOT special.
      You are just like us all… Monkey’s with car keys.
      Nothing more, nothing less.

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    67. Enuff_is_Enuff! says:

      GREAT FALLS – Montana will be the site of a large training exercise next week as military officials prepare for the worst of all fears: an attack on nuclear facilities.

      Personnel at Malmstrom Air Force Base near Great Falls regularly test how they’d respond to such a dangerous incident.

      But the Great Falls Tribune reports that starting Monday, the base – along with Fort Harrison in Helena – will be the focus of a national exercise bringing about 1,000 people to Montana.
      http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/national-training-against-nuclear-attack-starts-may-in-montana/article_4059b522-b522-11e2-b97e-0019bb2963f4.html

      This appears to corroborate what Pamela Rae Schuffert was warning about. God Help us all.

      Stay strong.

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    68. Satori says:

      H7N9 update

      thing have been pretty quiet for the last few days
      however one new case is being reported

      total of 130

      http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=489904&postcount=1

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    69. Satori says:

      basic rights and liberties being attacked in Canada

      https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/03/cana-m03.html

      the whole world is turning into a police state

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    70. KY Mom says:

      RED LINE: ISRAELI STRIKE ON SYRIA HIT ARMS FROM IRAN

      “A series of powerful explosions rocked the outskirts of Damascus early Sunday morning, which Syrian state television said was the result of Israeli missile attacks on a Syrian military installation.

      If true, it would be the second Israeli airstrike in Syria in two days…”

      Drudge Report

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    71. KY Mom says:

      Obama in Mexico: Immigration Reform Provides Citizenship for 11 Million ‘In This Country Illegally’

      Drudge Report

      Obama’s Agenda: Overwhelm the System

      “Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming.

      Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.”

      www dot reviewjournal.com

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      • High Noon says:

        KY MOM: spot on.

        Then comes the chain migration of another 20 million give or take in the next 10 years. America is changed forever.

        OR:

        I think the whole bill could be a stocking horse. Dems want it passed in Senate. Know it won’t pass in house, then blame republicans in 2014 elections. Bingo, win the house and retain the senate. Then it’s set.match, game. All over.

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    72. ptmama says:

      BI and JOG, I really enjoy your posts. I wish you had your own site. Thanks for all the time you spend on keeping us all informed.

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    73. Enuff_is_Enuff! says:

      NinaO, your diatribe is irrelevant to the confirmed NEWS article link that was posted! The possibility of another “drill” going live…..? Especially since there’s over 500-lbs of stolen explosives!! Putting everything in perspective, the possibility of another one happening is rather ominous. Plausible? I guess we shall soon find out!

      Crawl back into your hole….

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      • 3n3my of th3 Stat3 ;0P says:

        @All … This Montana State Nuke Response Exercise is a Montana State Government direct response to the NWO Apocalypse BIBLE THUMPING FEAR PORN for PROFIT being spread around like manure the ‘bullsheeit it is’ by the like’s of Pamela Rae Schuffer an experienced Crisis Fear Porn Grifter Con-women .

        that’s all it is … EveryOne needs to Chill and Stand Down in Montana .

        It’s time for CFalls P.D. Montana and the Flathead County Sheriff Office to Arrest ‘Pamela Rae Schuffer’ and charge her for Public Incitement of a Riot , Conspiracy to commit Terrorist Activities , Theft and Fraud .

        ‘ Socialized Mass Fear and Ignorance of the Truth Creates it Own Domestic Terrorist Monsters !’

        ‘ Stand Down Montana !’

        ;0p

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    74. High Noon says:

      Saw this over on sheikyermami.com:

      AFTER EVERY ACT OF TERROR WE ARE TOLD WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE ALL MUSLIMS BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW.

      ISN’T IT TIME THE 80 MILLION GUN OWNERS IN AMERICA GET THE SAME TREATMENT?

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Hi ‘High’,

        Sorry, couldn’t RESIST!! ;)

        Brillinat obeservation Friend…utterly so. It becomes more and more plain by the day that a ‘hidden’ intent, an ‘ulterior motive’ is operant in the on-going efforts of the government to ‘shear’ the Citizenry of this country of the Right to Self-defense…such as that is becoming plain even to those who are abjectly Blind. Great observation!

        JOG

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    75. Be informed says:

      @ KY Mom. Just as before, Israel seems to always attack during that windown of the new moon, 5 days before to 5 days after. We are right now in that window from May 4-14. The New Moon is Thursday on May 9, and could signal the attack we have been waiting for on Iran as the moon getting towards this darker sky at night. The real concern here with Syria is Russia.

      Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia has continued to be boxed in on the western borders by NATO. Russia will not allow its southern borders to fall, this would be strategic suicide. This is why Russia flatten Georgia so quickly and why Russia has threatened to immediately invade the Ukraine should they accept membership into NATO. Russia will nuke the west before it allows the Caspain Sea region or any further southern parts surrounding to fall to the U.S. and or western powers. The U.S would do the same based on the Monroe Doctrine. There is the danger of immediate WW3 over there and the MSM is covering pure crap right now.

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      • Thinker says:

        Bi& KY According to U.S. sources Israel has bombed a military sight north of Damascus!
        Best be prepared to B.O. One of the super powers is going to F.U.!!!

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        • KY Mom says:

          Be Informed and Thinker,

          Things seems to be escalating…

          Syria: Israeli strike ‘Declaration of War’

          Huge explosions rock Damascus

          Israel deploys Iron Dome

          Drudge Report

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      • youraneight says:

        Russia may find out Ukraine lied when they said they gave back all the nukes after USSR melted.

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        • MilesN says:

          Even if it is the case (which iss highly doubtful), I can assure you that Ukrainian Army would not comply with launch orders. Simply because a) The common economic and political space is mere 1 generation away, lots of eye-witnesses and lots of nostalgia, esp. in light of what a mess Ukrainian economy is right now, even compared to Russia, b) due to a), lots and lots of relatives of Ukrainian citizens live in Russia and c) self-preservation instinct. I dont even mean the acute possibility of being flattened in response to nuclear stile, it’s a wrath of the people. No amount of martial law will be able to stop it, civil war would be immediately imminent.

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    76. Emily says:

      @Skittle shitting unicorn ~ I agree with you 100%
      on your post about celebrities and commercials.
      I also believe that all cell phones, smart, Iphones,
      cricket, sprint, att, verizon are dumbing down and
      lowering the standards civilization. In Japan, they
      had to create their own cell phone frequency as the
      entire country is on their cell phones. At lunch
      time in Japan, everyone is walking around, staring
      at their cell phones. No one is looking up, no one
      is talking to one another. I also liked your name
      for Kim Kardashian, she is such an insipid loser.

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    77. Be informed says:

      @ JustOneGuy. You know i truly strive for complete accuracy, and yes that about the USGS is so irritating. I would also like to be able to use a X-flare scale that matches the official scale used. Again and again I see these wild speculations about flares, like that one 9 years is from X-28 to X-48. This is a tremendous variation and I need people like myself are not using the correct scale like it should be.

      Anyway like I have been warning people about the new moon window of Israel each month, this month seems to be the zero hour. May 4 to May 14 is the window and sure enough as May 4 and 5 roll around, BOOM. Not Iran YET, but Syria. Now that the window that was said to be dangerous came true, I feel that there is a hell over there that we all could feel soon on this planet.

      Syria has one of the largest chemical weapons program that there is, but also an advanced biological weapons program. Nothing like North Korea, China, Russia, or the U.S. but something that needs our attention. Anthrax destroys cities in larger amounts, and muslim terrorists are likely to attack Jewish targets around the globe after this thing plays out. This is a horrible thought, but IF they have something catagious over there, human to human, get ready for hell on Earth.

      While these idiotic news sources are covering garbage, just hours from now it can happen. Syria right now is 8:30 in the evening, Israel will likely strike again between 11:00 to 4:00, with Midnight to 1:00 AM being the most idea time. That is about 4 hours away. Iran has a military agreement with Syria to defend them under attack. IF Israel continue to hammer Syria, they will respond, or Hezbollah will with the hundreds of thousands of rockets they have ready to go. Iran might respond also.

      China will not let 25% of their oil go into western hands from Iran. Russia will not allow any further encirclement of their country. By God, World War 3 is knocking at the door, and the news is covering jerk ass meaningless manure. I was turning the channels around and I happen to come upon a Tom And Jerry cartoon and I said to myself that cartoon has more worth and value to it than the news.

      The Jewish news like Debka and Jerusalem Post sure as hell is taking this seriously. Yet the retardate news over here is covering entertainment gossip. Boy I tell you, the tar and feathers is so well deserved of the MSM over here.

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      • Watchman says:

        @BI: You are so right in the MSM lack in reporting of the possibly of the very start to WW3. We are no more than the laughing stock of the world. The whole world is laughing at the people of the ALL MIGHTY FREE AMERICA; the way we let the government take liberty after liberty away from us with no more than a weeper of they can’t do that.
        The world see us no more than HOT AIR BLOW HARDS, Americans have no back bone for a fight, since we will not even fight for OUR PRESICOUS FREEDOMS FROM A TRYANICAL GOVERNMENT. Before long WW3 will be right here; on our own SOIL. When that point of time is reached it will truly be too late.

        Let the PAROITS STAND TALL, THE TIME IS HERE MY FRIENDS!

        Keep the FAITH
        Watchman

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      • Night breaker says:

        BI,
        Looks like today could be one of those fixed points in history that will be burned into everyone’s memory, I always thought growing up that the Soviiet Union would probably Nuke us , then it collapsed the threat faded but did not go away, Now this technology is available to any advanced country, the basic research to develop Nuclear Arms has been long completed the only thing that stops the proliferation of these weapons is the Billion dollar infrastructure required to develope the materials for Thermonuclear Weapons. The middle east is awash with petro dollars and technical know how , while our country is consumed with sports and celebrities , these countries have invested in science and engineering . What is going to destroy us is the shallowness, short sighedness and not thinking in the long term.
        If the balloon goes up its going to be up to us to rebuild and set things right , this why we prep the world is a dangerous place , as it is written ” A wise man sees trouble coming and prepares for it”
        I work in Engineering one principle in this profession is to use the worst case scenario and design for it leaving a factor of safety this can be applied to prepping.
        hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

        Good luck everyone , keep prepping

        Semper Fi 8541

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      • OutWest says:

        Be informed

        Maybe Israel is using Syria to bait Iran into making
        a “First Move”. Israel could then use the excuse that
        Iran struck them first while Israel was protecting their
        borders with Syria. All neat and tidy, and the onus
        would then be on the Iranians for drawing first blood.
        Just saying…..

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          Howdy OW,

          …Funny you should mention that. It seems that the MOP (Massive Ordinance Penetrator) has recently been UPGRADED. One the articles I saw within the last couple of days indicates that same is NOW able to effectively penetrate more thn 200 feet of concrete…

          …Hmmm, it I were Israel and I KNEW that I had a weapon which could DRILL through the 300 feet of rock over Fordo, WHAT would I DO?…

          JOG

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        BI,

        I attempted to post in to you a bit ago…I see it didn’t make it, soooo…

        JOG here…Friend…Do I HAVE a DEAL for you! In answer to the question, “What is the Official scale?” I answer: Drop over at the NOAA X-flux pages (3-day and 6-hour, either) and LOOK at the scale posted on the LEFT most side of the graph…V’iola!! Don’t have time to chat at this point, just stopped in for a brief moment. Til later Friend…

        JOG

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    78. Barn Cat says:

      It would be a mistake to think that Bernanke is an idiot. He’s not. He’s evil. He’s deliberately destroying the dollar. The dollar collapse will be the biggest disaster in the history of the world up until now. Hundreds of millions will die when that happens. That will lead to the one-world government prophesied in Revelation.

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    79. Anonymous says:

      BI,

      Another large GRB occured this morning and we ARE seing an immediate up-swing in activity…one M-class, one near N-class in the last 3 hours…

      JOG

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    80. Watchman says:

      Soon very soon; it will be THE NIGHT THEY DROVE OLD DIXIE DOWN!
      What a shame that we have let it come to this.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    81. nevah2Late says:

      Hey, all you SHTF ZOG-haters/bashers…..

      Do YOU ever put your money where your mouth is?

      Brother Nathanael needs your/our help. Join his crusade here:
      wwwrealjewnewsDOTcom

      “Please Help Me To Continue

      I put out an APPEAL this week to 2,000 readers and only 8 responded.

      ONLY A FEW help me.”

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    82. Watchman says:

      Patrick Henry:
      No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
      Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
      I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which king resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry has been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrance’s have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, w