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    Visa Goes Anti-Gun: Restricts America’s Largest Gun Store From Processing Transactions

    Mac Slavo
    September 27th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    The assault on the U.S. Constitution and the Second Amendment continues.

    This time big business is getting into the mix and they’re aiming for gun stores right at the source of their revenues – their transaction processing facilities.

    According to Larry Hyatt, owner of the largest gun brokerage firm in the United States, Authorize.net, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Visa USA and one of the world’s largest credit card processing gateways, has terminated their relationship with the firm.

    After four years in business with the Visa owned Authorize.net, Larry Hyatt, owner of Hyatt Gun Shop, received an email indicating that the company would no longer provide its services due to “the sale of firearms or any similar product.”

    The email reads:

    Dear Hyatt Gun Shop Inc,

    Authorize.Net LLC (“Authorize.Net”) has determined that the nature of your business constitutes a violation of Section 2.xiv of the Authorize.Net Acceptable Use Guidelines and Sections 3.3 and 11.3 of the Authorize.Net Service Agreement (the “Agreement”).

    These sections include, but are not limited to, the sale of firearms or any similar product.

    Accordingly, pursuant to Section 4 of the Acceptable Use Guidelines, your ability to access and use the Authorize.Net Services will be terminated on September 30, 2013.

    Hyatt’s massive online store will be unable to process credit card transactions, giving the store only a few days to find a new processing company before Authorize.net terminates their business relationship.

    “We’ve never seen anything like this,” Hyatt Marketing Director Justin Anderson told the Washington Examiner.

    All of a sudden, after four years of doing business together, Authorize.net declares that Hyatt Gun Shop is in violation of their terms of agreement.

    An odd coincidence to be sure, but not if you consider that many top executives at Visa have donated to President Obama’s election campaigns. With President Obama renewing his push for gun control in the wake of the Navy Yard shooting last week, and Americans ardently opposing any legislative action that would further restrict the ownership of firearms, it looks as if anti-gun politicians are now calling in favors with their connections in big business.

    If you can’t outlaw the guns, then strike directly at the companies who manufacture them and sell them by cutting off their cash flow.

    This is exactly what Authorize.net, which processes credit card transactions for millions of merchants around the world, has done to Hyatt.

    Earlier this year, after a similar anti-gun push following the Sandy Hook elementary school tragedy, Bank of America took it upon themselves to forcibly seize funds from licensed firearms dealer and manufacturer American Spirit Arms.

    The incidents with Hyatt Gun Shop and American Spirit Arms are certainly not isolated and will likely continue as government and business merge their agendas, especially as it pertains to our government sponsored banking system, which has a stranglehold over American businesses.

    The Constitution remains a prominent roadblock for the anti-gun establishment, and despite efforts to ban semi-automatic rifles, tax ammunition, and restrict importation of magazines and gun parts, they are being countered at every turn by the tens of millions of Americans who believe in their personal right to bear arms.

    Thus, government is now relying on their incestuous relationships with the many bailed out banks and businesses who are essentially under their control.

    If you think this was an accident, you’re kidding yourself.

    A coordinated effort is underway to make it difficult, if not impossible, to acquire self defense armaments that include guns, ammo, and accessories.

    Get ‘em while you can. We saw what happened with the ammunition. Now it seems they are trying to lock-down our ability to do business with legitimate gun dealers.

     

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    1. Gods Creation says:

      Well, anybody buying a gun should pay cash anyway. Just stop at the ATM on the way.

      The corp can try to restrict guns sales all they want, but the genie will never get back in the bottle. There are too many out there already they will never get back.

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      • Kindle says:

        They can try to restrict the sales all they want…there will always be a way to get one….just ask the criminals.

        I always get a kick out of people trying to estimate how many guns are in Americans hands. No one knows. I know in our family they have been handed down from generation to generation…bought before there were any back ground checks and such.

        Only a fool would think they will be able to get our guns..no way. Maybe from the wussies but that might not be a bad thing.

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        • OutWest says:

          Just another good reason to cut up the ‘ol credit card

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          • Joseph James says:

            Keep in mind….this applies to debit cards with visa logos as well

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            • Say When says:

              Just a quick note to say: NEVER, NEVER use a credit card to buy guns, ammo, and/or most prepping supplies…
              I personally have a NRA VISA card. I suggest that the NRA and all prepping sites refuse the services of VISA.
              Something bad this way comes. Prep like your life depends on it, cause it does..

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              • John Q. Public says:

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              • braveheart says:

                Say When, AMEN to using cash. I just got home from a gun show. I bought some more shells for Bertha plus some other prep items and paid CASH for all of it. That’s how I pay for all of my prep items. Never had a credit card and refuse to have one, from VISA or anyone else for that matter. braveheart

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                • pissinwiththewind says:

                  That’s the way, braveheart. Fuck the credit card banksters, especially VISA.

                  I was at Wallyworld, picking up a few fishing items and as always, I took a peak at the ammo shelves just to see if anything has changed. Nope, still empty except for some stuff that isn’t popular. The only thing that has changed since early 2013, was a new box of 50 ct. 44 mag bullets added. With tax, the bullets now cost about a dollar each. I have never bought any because i reload mine for the ole Super Blackhawk; and my cost per bullet is only about 30 cents each. Well, used to be less until the cost of powder went thru the roof along with ammo/etc.

                  A gentleman was standing there staring at the empty shelves and said; “Walmart muxt be getting out of the ammo business by the looks of these shelves”. I said, “they get in 22 cal. and some other popular stuff every week, but there are lines of people here each night about 8:00 waiting for it to be stocked. I don’t need it that bad, to fight the crowds.”

                  He just gave a disgusted look and said, “this dammned government”. I said, “Yep, you got that right”.

                  As i walked away, I thought about the masses that feel the same way; but, there are masses that think that the democratic liberal idiots in power are the way to go, also. The “only” thing that changes with repubs. in control of all three branches of gov. is the attacks, by gov., on our 2nd amendment rights. So better to have something going for us, than everything against us.

                  So I am making a stand for the Second Amendment by voting a straight ticket this year. If nothing else matters, then getting the damn dems out and keeping our second amendment rights for as long as possible, does.

                  If we loose the freedom and rights, to protect our families and private property from the evil in the world, then it’s time to turn out the lights on America.

                  PWTW

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              • Here is when an informed active citizenry can do wonders. Cut up your VISA cards and refuse to use any of their products. Whether you own a gun or not.

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          • John Q. Public says:

            More names for the people’s fusion center here:

            http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=30822

            Make sure that those who abet tyranny see their day at Nuremberg 2.

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            • Be informed says:

              Anyone using a credit card from the enemy bankers to purchase firearms is kind of in question anyway. Credit cards are a disease and true patriots are not really going to support the cancer that is going to be helping, the bankers, to go after everyone’s freedoms. Like I said in the next to previous article, banks suck. You know what, credit cards blow. In fact to add to this to ALL those bankers out there WHEN the financial collapse happens, JUMP YOU BASTARDS.

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              • Be informed says:

                Kind of difficult to hit a thin credit card, as a clay target is much larger to home in with your shotgun spray, but what the hell why not give it a try, PULL………….

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                • braveheart says:

                  BI, how about a bunch of those credit cards with Feinstein’s picture on each one? PULL!

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                • Archivist says:

                  Back in the old days when the gas companies would send out credit cards without your asking for them, my father would cut them up and make guitar picks out of them.

                  I have a collection of worthless old ones that can be used for that. A new barter item!

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              • NetRanger says:

                Something to start my day off with an LOL.

                “JUMP YOU BASTARDS.” -Be Informed

                Can I quote you on that?

                You know, it kind of makes you think a little different about all those people jumping to their deaths when crashes occur because they put their hope in false gods. Maybe it needs to happen more often. Not to be cruel or to minimize the coersion of people by the Criminal Bastard Thieves, but aren’t we supposed to live by the sweat of our brow? …and dollars don’t sweat, so, there you go.

                My excuse for using a credit card: its pretty much the only way to pay for certain things online. Most people I know, however, don’t use a credit card for anything! They let the credit card USE THEM!!! But, if this story is as true as I think it is, I may be switching card companies.

                I’ve been with VISA for 30 years. If this is a VISA company policy then I will dump them. I need to find out more information. While you may say “Its a wholly owned subsidiary…” and use that to bash VISA, you are a wholly own subsidiary of the IMF/(non)Federal Reserve and they probably don’t condone a lot of things that you do. Of course most people don’t realize this but it is true. The incorporation documents are all on file at the Social Security Office and the court house in the county you were born.

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                • Be informed says:

                  @ NetRanger. When I say Jump You Bastards the ONLY image that I want to see in my mind is some big fat cat creep that has exploited the desperate hard working people. It would be a prize to watch some billionaire banker that got that way from deceptive loans to again the desperate that had their dreams shatterred, take a header off a 70 story building. Poetic justice for the billionaire to lose everything and know how it feels from all those that experienced the same feeling. It would be the icing on the cake as the banker flew by at about 120 mph around the 50th. story up to yell out, was it worth it f#$%head?

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                • eeder says:

                  I can picture it now. Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein, jumping out of the window of a skyscraper. I would really like to see it. I would love even more for them to see me laughing at them before they hit the pavement.

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                • Robert says:

                  I did a little research, it looks like all card companies use authorize.net to process payments.. I need cards to travel. I would love to find a company that does not use them and change. If you find out differently please let me know.

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              • 64 ECHO MIKE says:

                Be informed

                I read and appreciate your posts on a daily basis. My work shifts sometimes are 7 days a week which leaves little to no time for much else. I order things online due to necessity and this allows me to shop price.

                I agree on the bankster issue but for now some things can’t be helped.

                Who out there wants this companies business? Pass this info on please and I will gladly switch from Visa. I don’t use credit cards (except gas cards and keep a zero balance for the most part) but I do use a debit card. I will be glad to give my business to those who want it.

                I used JM Bullion who advertises on this site. After having problems just trying to order from their site, contacting them twice, getting lame emails from them blaming my end of things for the problems, etc, I went elsewhere, now no problems.

                Together we should be able to get what we want and need. There is enough combined brain power, as well as, buying power from those on this site to make things work for us and screw the BO ass lickers.

                MOLON LABE

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              • incognito says:

                OOPS! I used my Visa debit at Malfart to pick up an LE6920 that happened to catch my eye at the lowest price I’ve seen in a long long while. I honestly was just walking by the ammo case to check on the current status of things. Couldn’t let it go and didn’t have the cash handy. Besides, there was a pretty lady there also checking out MY weapon and it was the last one so I was overtaken with urgency. Oh well… I could really care less about them tracking my credit card purchases. Food, ammo, weapons yeah come and take them MOFOS. Get this Armchair Rambo riled up and it’s going to take 500 men with infrared capable drones to stop me from seeking restitution. Besides I don’t think the state’s militia would sit idly by and let’s these things happen ;)

                When it’s time to bury your guns it’s time to dig them up.

                melon labia… or something.

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              • Brett says:

                Be Informed,

                I couldn’t agree with you more! (even if we couldn’t agree on the gun Control subject)It has been a complete travesty and a crime that has been rewarded by QE and tax payer monies, has destroyed jobs, homes and hope for millions and all the while, those responsible have never been richer or been making more, paying less tax or fighting to pay less tax or avoiding it all together and making sure that any checks and balances laws or regulations to ensure or protect from the same thing happening again are weakened, vetoed or diluted so that they have little or no effect. The share market has never been higher and businesses are making a killing whilst workers are paid less and more people are worse off than they have been for many, many years.Also agree about credit cards and at the age of 52 have never owned one as I could never understand why anyone would want to buiy something that they didn’t have the money for to begin with, let alone be lent the money at unbelievable interest rates that are doing no favors to you at all. The entire mass consumer/consumption ethos we are told and cajoled to be part of, to compete against each other for and the fears and so called must do’s that entrap and pacify us as well as keep us so busy we dont have the time, will or energy to stop, question or consider…is a sham and a method of control that ensures the status quo of waste , unfairness and injustice remain for most and benefit the few.It was and is such a stupid methodology, that it has collapsed upon itself and cannot be sustained. it lasted less than 100 years and only enriched a small percentage of the population and has stressed the planet greatly especially in relation to the huge amounts of people it has not helped much or to live a lifestyle that we seem to take for granted.Or used to.
                The big question is this: Will we or can we do anything about it? are we still going to take the ride or understand that things must change? What happens to all the others that never got the chances we did but now must fight for or look for other ways to achieve.Do we take them with us or just look after ourselves again whilst the real movers and shakers manipulate us as much as ever.Who is the enemy and who are our friends or do we fail to work together to use our numbers to make the changes that need to be made? So far the Bad Guys are winning, just as they had been and unless something changes, will continue to win at ours and everybody elses expense. Hope

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            • unknown suspect says:

              Looks like a good start on a bucket list.

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          • Pissed Off Granny says:

            OutWest:
            And send the cut up card back to Visa along with a note stating the reason why…….

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            • Mad As Hell says:

              Also on the note state you will on longer be sending out a
              payment. The money is being used to buy more guns.
              But don’t worry. Obama will send you more of our tax money
              to keep you happy.

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            • durango kidd says:

              A blessing in disguise. It will make it harder for the government to develop gun ownership lists; and just the boost that Master Card needs.

              Buy some guns and buy some stock! :-)

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              • Hell yeah , I use cash only .So they can shove there plastic up there ass.

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              • clark says:

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  clark says:

                  “Every comment you make is in favor of the system.
                  Always, and every time.”

                  And that’s why I think he’s a troll.

                  The vast majority of his comments are antithetical to the views presented on this site.

                  He appears to be nothing more than a Shill for the Establishment.

                  Why some commenters here don’t see this is beyond me.

                  The Durango Kidd is transparent. But he does provide value… entertainment value.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Clark: The difference between Visa and Master Card, Moron, is that Master Card has not gone anti-gun. I suppose you would rather WE use Pay Pal or Bit Coin when WE travel abroad to reserve OUR rooms and book OUR flights too.

                  YOU are the government troll. Pushing for a commie government. Don’t you have another snappy quote from another 19th century commie for this one?

                  LMAO! You skinny, fucking faggot!!! :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: The reason you and Clark do not like the system is because it doesn’t work for either of you. Clark is young and dumb and would rather criticize success than work hard, get an education, and be one himself. 23 and still sitting in his mother’s basement jacking off and reading the lamentations of 19th century socialists!

                  He can lament the cost of a college education or he can find a way to get one. For the average guy and gal, a sheepskin will make a big difference in the money they make over their lifetime.

                  Consider the kid on Business Insider who is paying for his collage education by clipping coupons and getting rebate checks. Yeah! Where there is a will there is a way, and those kids with a degree will, by and large, grossly outstrip the income of those who don’t; especially when another 30 million ILLEGALS arrive to take their minimum wage jobs.

                  Engage your employees or settle for a third world existence! :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: For the record, clark is the skinny fucking faggot and he knows it. And BTW has never denied it. He is quite proud of his orientation.

                  You are just a stupid old man hiding out in Idaho with your eight guns thinking that you can hold off the UN thugs. You are Ruby Ridge II waiting to happen.

                  Just take out at least three to do your part. :-)

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                • Facebook Page says:

                  DK ain’t skinny.

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              • Sorry Dk,
                I don’t invest in paper of any kind. Enjoy your faux profits on faux investments. And don’t tell me they ‘represent value of good companies’, because they are just electronic chits of worthless corporate goons who sold out my country by shipping the productive economy to China, and the jobs base that was.

                May they all rot in the hell they created by their short sighted greed.
                We are living the “Great sucking sound” of Ross Perot, how do we all like it? Not so much, I bet.
                Now they deny loans to small businesses, and wonder why we’re dying? They think they will end up owning everything at ten cents on the dollar, what they will own, is a very pissed off populace, with a target on their backs.

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                • laura m. says:

                  Piper M.: I really don’t like investing in stocks either, but retirees need income and banks don’t pay anything. At one time CD’s were the thing. Utilities,Shell, T, DD,GIS,JNJ,BBL,COP, etc. pay Q dividends so we can buy&buy at Academy Sports (luv that store), buy preps, steaks for grilling, new cars,bikes, gourmet cat food and other goodies. extra money from 401k’s and SS buys conservative stks and muni’s to get dividends.. I’d like better ideas if y’all have any to get income.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Laura M; Invest in a metal detector. It might come in handy some day. :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Piper: I don’t own any stocks other than in my own companies, but I am sure this anti-gun stance by Visa will have adverse political ramifications for them and they deserve it.

                  Master Card will be the beneficiary. :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Laura M; As I was responding to Piper, I remembered an article I saw about the Bacon Guy at everythingbacon.com (?).

                  He started a mail order bacon company from his garage in his spare time and gross sales are now over $500,000. The Internet is a wonderful way to make a buck if you have something other people want.

                  Just saying. Take a shot. :-)

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                • Laura M.
                  Agreed. That is the system we have…
                  So I would probably invest in cheap rental property and farmland, this is what the very richest are investing in NOW. (You didn’t think the Federal Reserve buying up all the mortgage paper in the country is a fluke, do you? I see a new agency in a new global government; The Land (rental) Ministry, where most, if not all land, becomes the payoff on the national debt.)

                  I like tangible assets… There is a reason. It is the basis of ALL WEALTH. Bankers KNOW this… yes, they make money on the way UP, but, they make a killing on the way down, as they buy up everything at ten cents on the dollar.

                  But, people in general, like their investments ‘easy’…
                  Just buy, and sit back and reap…
                  This is the ownership mentality, paper merely represents something REAL. At least, it did until now. Now it is a fools game, to know when they will pull the rug and take your money. Your money never disappears, it is merely transferred into the pocket of the ‘winner’. Those who can write checks out of thin air, will always WIN. Durango Kidd doesn’t ever mention that fact, do you DK?

                  This mentality is now destroying itself, the paradigm is failing on all fronts. Money, governance and religious, they are all losing their moral authority because of hypocrisy and corruption, and with it, their real authority. The backlash is already happening as more and more wake up, tune in, and drop out.

                  After the black horse paradigm finishes its ride, there will only be the very rich, and the very poor. Anything paper will be converted to whatever system comes. That system will be more evil than the current system. War is always the great resetter, and paradigm shifter and debt settler. The only question is, will anybody be left who cares? Or will we all be beaten down to bloody pulps, with no fight left in us?

                  This is why I have advocated forming an alternate economy, and withdrawing from the faux paper economy, by learning skills, and applying them. Relearning how to make things, or finding those who do remember and restarting small cottage industry and networked communities. DK has that right, investing in your own little business, producing something people need, for a righteous price, without becoming indebted to a bank, is always a winner. Debt, is always a doubled edged sword, its biggest cost, is the loss of Joy in Life as you must work much harder just to repay the banker. This is an easy cross to bear in a rising economy, it becomes a boat anchor around your neck when the bankers pull the rug.

                  Obama is evil incarnate, you can see it in his eyes. He surrounds himself with communists and moooooslims, he speaks “sweet words on the tongue, that grow bitter in the belly”, the very definition of evil. I think, he will bite the hand that feeds him…

                  Nobody knows the future, but the ancient prophecies have become history and the trend is clear. The trend is evil, the trend is left, and mooslim, as the Good guys refuse to unify and organize. They are ‘skeered’, and who can blame them? Who can make war with The Beast? We must… eventually, the evil must be eliminated. Unfortunately, it must become painfully obvious to the most dim witted, before that can happen, and have a chance to succeed. At that time, you would be very happy having the ability to eat, without having to get ‘chipped’ or tattooed, in order to access your ‘converted’ electronic credits.

                  Decide your future.
                  Decide wisely.

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          • Tactical says:

            Outwest…Excellent point. They (banksters) are at war with the law abiding gun owners and we all know they are the backbone of the NWO. Cut up the cc’s and hurt the bastards financially……same thing with any businesses such as Starbucks who joins the fight with the 2nd amendment. Hurt and destroy them financially. I used my Visa for automated payments for electric , water bill and I just called them to cancel it and notified the power and water company to send me paper bills. If we all take similar actions, we’ll see the impact.

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          • COMMIE VILLE COMING says:

            We’ve been paying down all debt owned to the jewish bankers at a massive rate.

            Fuck you credit card companies.

            Cash only mother fuckers!

            Then the gun dealer can cheat on his taxes and fuck the commies.

            ha

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          • JayJay says:

            But, it’s my debit card–applying after lunch/dinner (vegetable soup and cornbread)for capitol one CC, master card CC– any that will have me.:-)
            Pay when receive bill, no charges accrued, same as debit card–online sales are the only reason I use one, so I DO need one.
            Other than that, cash all the way here.

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            • JayJay says:

              Net ranger says:My excuse for using a credit card: its pretty much the only way to pay for certain things online. Most people I know, however, don’t use a credit card for anything! They let the credit card USE THEM!!! But, if this story is as true as I think it is, I may be switching card companies.

              Exactly, and when you pay every month, no charges accrued so it’s just a debit card for me–I didn’t charge anything.
              Cornbread’s ready.

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              • Facebook Page says:

                The CC don’t care they still got 3% from you when the seller pays his bill to them for use of a card.

                The reward programs still take away mostly from the mom and pops because they have the highest swipe rate.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “Just another good reason to cut up the ‘ol credit card”

            Indeed so, Out West. I am going to shred mine, mail the shreds to VISA’s home office, and include a copy of this article and a statement that VISA is knowingly and with aforethought infringing upon my US Constitutional rights. Because of that, no more business from me to them. Ever.

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          • Richard Wagener says:

            I have used my credit union Visa Card for years. I am going to wait and see how the NRA Visa Card responds, and I will do Likewise. Maybe Visa will come up with something with the NRA. Maybe Visa will tell Authorize.Net or whatever their name is to take a hike. Two can play the same game. I will let the NRA sort it out and follow their lead.

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          • Indy Colts says:

            Sorry I’m late to the party but I work for a processor. Auth.net is the largest but they are not the only payment gateway. Our ISO has made it clear they don’t want online firearm merchants due to “risk” They are going to have to find a high risk processor that will likely cost them over double. sad situation

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        • sixpack says:

          Guys, this isn’t really aimed at stopping the flow of guns as it is a way to make MORE transactions ILLEGAL, therefore, MORE FUTURE CRIMINALS. I predicted this approach many months ago and I make another now—

          We will soon see purchases outside of major gun sellers (FFLs) become grounds for CONFISCATIONS and ARRESTS in the near future, whether or not anything illegal might have occurred. This harassment of law-abiding citizens will become fodder for further restrictions on private sales.

          Please mark these words for future reference.

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          • Man on the inside says:

            Six … yes you did and I remember the post. I have plenty of folks where I live that will sell me a firearm for cash so I use …CASH….

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        • Dave says:

          Some poor soul has to be the first man to the door for confiscation, when he recieves a welcome load of 00 buckshot , the rest will back up and decide if they where sent into a no win situation .They can’t control a backwards nation like Iraq, there is no way they can control all parts of the USA.

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          • Gubmint goons do not ‘lose’. It is in their psyche. If you take out the whole SWAT Team, the entire department will come back to your house. If, by some chance you could take out the whole department, the governor would call in the National Guard or the Feds. Who would arrive looking like an army.
            Shoot, and scoot.
            Do NOT even THINK you can hold up in a defensive position and WIN. Go on the offensive as a shadow, ambushing them at opportune moments. Then get out of the area quickly sticking to the shadows and off beat track…
            Oh, and lots of collateral damage and booby traps as distractions.

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            • sixpack says:

              I have some thoughts on obamacare, RE: gun restrictions. I think we all agree obamacare is a dud. It was DESIGNED TO BE A DUD. After spending more than a week reading through the provision, I’m convinced it was never intended to have anything to do with healthcare, other than lining the pockets of medical-related corps and big pharma.

              Rather than citing the confusing text of they law, I’ll just speak in general terms. What I believe obamacare is REALLY going to do—

              1. It will remain in effect for long enough to obtain and compile medical and psychiatric profiles on every man, woman and child.

              2. It will remain in effect until they have DNA samples (and other forms of biometric information) for every human being in this country.

              3. Obamacare will be the method of mandating the chipping of human beings and it will remain in effect until everyone who is going to be chipped, is chipped with RFID tags, covertly if necessary.

              During this period, there is no doubt the transfer of wealth will be astounding and devastating to the people, but I’m not convinced that that was EVER the primary function of obamacare. I think it is just a gimme for all of the cooperating corps, to be certain they follow the rules.

              I believe the sole purpose for obamacare is to get the remaining agendas in place, to implement those things that CANNOT BE OVERTLY LEGISLATED, specifically, RFID chipping and complete profiles on every man, woman and child in the country, including biometric information.

              THEY TRIED to gather biometrics on everyone with the national ID card—and failed.

              THEY TRIED to convince everyone to take the mark of the beast—and failed.

              THEY TRIED to get full profiles on every law-abiding gun owner, in order to confiscate all the guns, and so far—they have failed.

              I BELIEVE THAT AS SOON AS THEY GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, OBAMACARE WILL SIMPLY DISAPPEAR. It will no longer serve their purpose.

              The one and ONLY thing obamacare WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR, is to provide affordable medical care resources to the people….and it was never intended to do so.

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              • Excellent sixpack, good analysis… missed a couple things though.

                - Kill off as many old folks as can be done.
                - Kill off the terminal and ‘defective’.
                - Kill off as many unborn as defensible, while making sure the unwashed pay for it against their will.

                Leave only ‘economic units’ with healthcare, fully bagged, tagged and identified in the database to facilitate future operations, link with gun, internet, and geometric data.

                End result; Big brother on steroids… with the ability to track you from beginning to end.
                The Mark of the Beast will only work, if they have full inventories of all people and GOODS. Can’t have you people resisting and selling used inventory to those stinking Christians now, can we? (sarc off)

                Did ya know, non Christians get an ‘exemption’? (and that includes Congress and their toadies.)

                I can’t wait till a ‘navigator’ shows up at my door… it’ll be time to water the grass. (and I never water the grass…)

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                • sixpack says:

                  Thanks for filling in some of the blanks, PM. There seems to be no end to the pure evil that is being heaped upon us, hidden in supposedly “helpful” and innocuous legislation.

                  NO WONDER the congress critters and the rest of the gov agencies are exempt.

                  Perhaps we need to exempt politicians from congress and the white house…

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                • KY Mom says:

                  “History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” – Mark Twain

                  Hitler’s and Obama’s Health Enabling Acts

                  “President Hitler signed a shockingly similar bill with similar tactics used to get it signed – threats, harassment, false promises, intimidation, invented crises.”

                  Hitler spoke; Hitler lied; Hitler intimidated; Hitler promised jobs, HEALTH CARE and safety; and Hitler won the vote 441 to 84.

                  March 23, 1933 everything changed for Germany. After that vote, their constitution was shredded. The most evil dictator of our time would rise to power, shockingly by the vote of the people in Parliament. …
                  The Germans believed the speeches – promises of HEALTH CARE, economic revival and jobs for all.”

                  “Obama shockingly also signed the constitution shredding, freedom stealing HEALTH CARE bill into law March 23, 2010 – 77 years later to the day. He also gave speech after speech on America’s ‘crisis’ of health care and need for massive Government intervention and correction.

                  This Health care bill, like Hitler’s Enabling Act, forces many things on the American people. For the first time in U.S. history it forces all Americans to have health insurance or face huge fines or even jail time. This is forced health insurance that the Government says is acceptable. Forcing the public to buy a product or service has never been done by our Government.”

                  “Obama couldn’t find a more intimidating, powerful and menacing control of Health care than the dreaded and huge IRS. It is almost as if he put the military in control of tracking us with the potential intimidation and enforcement plans attached. It will be frightening enough with the IRS breathing down our throats.”

                  Full text at…
                  Canada Free Press dot com

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                • KY Mom says:

                  Direct link…

                  Hitler’s and Obama’s Health Enabling Acts
                  http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21421

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              • Ya..I think you got er pegged there…dark days ahead…better times acomin… :)

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                • Them Guys says:

                  KY Mom: Canada free press article. Did it mention that hitler DID keep promices for Jobs? When first elected he faced 35% or so of Unemployed folks. After he booted Out jew banksters and issued german money MINUS Debt and usury/intrest, in Less than 5 yrs time german unemployed rates fell from 35% DOWN to Les than 2% unemployed.

                  Good jobs and Good pay etc too. I aint saying all he did was good as we know it was not. But that is just another usual typical hit piece article that Parrots the typical propaganda of WWII, hitler, germany and nazis BS we heard since 1940′s era.

                  True? Yes “some” was/is truth and bad things done. But Most we were told is BS. Lies. and a huge tendency same as that article to begin with a TINY Ant hill problem..Then re tell again over and over each time adding more length to the “Fish” that got caught or got away story. Untill that fish that began as a tiny 3 inch gold fish in a pond at old farmer joes farm pond, ends up the Pacific ocean and the fish ends up as Moby Dick size!

                  Or as refered to that tiny ant hill problem, thats magnafied 1000 times in size and now becomes the entire Rocky mountain range from mexico to canada in size..

                  Or it even can turn into a vast large amount..Like “SIX-MILLION” when it never even came close to one million!

                  Not trying to rain on the parade here, just hate when I keep seeing articles like that which continue to parrot what has become Proven lies or falsehoods of a vast conspiricy of MSM propagandas. When today the factual truths that refute most of whats wrote of nazis etc is so easily available online to find.

                  The BIGGEST Proof of all time that we have been So Lied to on all the WWII and nazi issues is the Fact that.

                  Most Every article resembles that canada free press article in that they all “Claim” this or that which always Revolves around, “THE Most EVIL era-Man-Leader-etc etc”.

                  Now logical common sense Should Dictate that with so much easy to find evidence and Proven factual documented sources, that outline every Facet and event and issue that revolve around the Russian Bolshevik Jewish Kommies who used their invention of Communisim to overthrow russia etc.

                  And if one but compares all of that kommie russian evidence, with even All of the lies or propaganda along with the Real true stuff that occured with Nazis and hitler etc…Then it becomes quite Obvious that “IF” any such Articles really were concerned with “THE Most Evils” and “The MOST Evil Dictators” etc than surely ones article Would be written about, or at Least make mention of, that event of the Russian Jewish revolt of communisim that happened 20 yrs Prior to anyone hearing of a guy names hitler or nazis.

                  Instead such articles continue to Parrot known lies and past propaganda now proven as propagandas.

                  Seems there is a type of hidden agenda in Many writers minds who keep parroting such eh.

                  Even if one accept now proven wrong numbers like the famous Six Million jews..When compared to 250 Million deaths caused by Jewish Kommie bolsheviks like Trotsky(birth name Bronstien=jew) and all his fellow jewish kommie travelers and bed fellows…Sheer numbers alone Prove if one is really going to write of Evils or most evil dictators. Then hands Down That Honor should go to russian jew kommie butchers. Hitler and nazis comes in Far behind. Perhaps more like the “Students” of Jewish bolshevik kommie mass murderers eh.

                  I am aware that most folks Here know of these issues. But with so many readers that arrive at this site it is likly that some newcomers are Not as yet aware of such as I wrote of in my reply. So to assist those as yet unaware folks I felt the need to include some Factual Truths to that article which imho is another agenda driven “hit piece” designed to keep folks focused upon nazis and hitler, while overlooking the true threats americans face today which is Communists, and Is still headed by bolshevik/zionist jewish folks(grandkids of the Original russian kommies like trotsky, now Inside the Gates of usa doing the same agenda to Us today).

                  For perhaps The Biggest difference between the “Nazis” versus the “Russian Bolshevik Jewish Kommies” is the Fact that…Those Now Dead Nazis Took nazi-isim to their Graves With them…But while those Original 1920-1990 era russian jewish Kommies are most of them also Dead, They did NOT retire their evils and take with to their graves…Rather instead those orig kommie russians, Passed On communisim agendas, TO, their Kids and grandkid jewish zionist and bolsheviks. Of which more than 1/2 of existing tribal members Are now resideing Inside the Gates of America, and With the Same evil intents as in russia where their main agenda to exterminate all whites and christians first began.

                  I now eagerly Await for all of the Good american jewish patrotic folks to Begin to assist us gentiles in ID’ing which of Their Tribe/group are of the kommie zio bolshevik varrity, and also to assist Us gentiles in Dealing with such enemys of freedom etc, when the proper time arrives.

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        • Semper Fi, y'all says:

          Come on, Kindle, there are 300,000,000. I counted ‘em and my fire team has most of ‘em.
          Semper Fi

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        • InfidelisAmericanus says:

          Well, like it or not, its our government, and if we are ordered to surrender our guns and ammo under pain of force and/or criminal penalties for noncompliance, we simply must comply. So, despite the fact that I have thousands of rounds of ammo and a large number of firearms, if the government sends duly certified representatives to my residence to demand under threat of force all of my ammo and weapons, I feel that I have little choice to do anything other than that, in that order, and with rapidity. I suggest others do likewise – 55 grains at a time somewhere around 3000 fps or so.

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      • Bobby Ganoosh says:

        Agree everyone should pay for their personal defense weapons with cash.

        In addition everyone should cut up their Visa credit and debit cards and send it to Visa with a note explaining why you will no longer support their business.

        I also wonder if Visa/Authorize.net has stopped processing claims for Wal-Mart, K Mart, Sports Authority, etc., some of the largest gun retailers (and retailers in general) in America.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “I also wonder if Visa/Authorize.net has stopped processing claims for Wal-Mart, K Mart, Sports Authority, etc., some of the largest gun retailers (and retailers in general) in America.”

          An excellent question. My guess is that they have not. Size matters, you know, and it’s always easier to pick on the little guys.

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      • Gregory8 says:

        Gods Creation: You got that right!

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      • RICH98 says:

        They wont stop it. If all of the CC processors stop, it only opens the way for a new business opportunity.

        Another sensationalistic story to fire up morons.

        This happened before… months ago… one of the manufacturers. Who cares?

        They aint stopping SHIT.

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      • Tom T says:

        Did anyone ever for one minute think that there would come a day when those who want the government to follow the Constitution and Bill of Rights, operate on revenues collected or less, and stay out of our lives are the “extremists”???

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      • This is an online store. This store may lose the business, but the guns will just be obtained locally.
        Piss on a credit card. Most people don’t think of using a credit card as borrowing money. Dave Ramsey is right about one thing–the place to go when you need money is to work. Work is a sure-fire money making scheme.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “Work is a sure-fire money making scheme.”

          Only for the competent, Bob. The incompetent always turn to government for a generous grab of someone else’s money.

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      • COMMIE VILLE COMING says:

        I have a solution to everything…
        Make the dems second class citizens.
        Don’t hire them, don’t provide them services.
        Or..if you do..crank up their prices.

        I used to have a service business and when I priced for lawyers I always jacked up their prices by 30% because they cause my insurance to cost so much…so I just make these fucks pay for what they caused.

        Currently I’m creating a few new businesses and won’t be creating jobs for anyone.
        full automation. Zero support of the commie obamacare law. Just don’t play.
        There’s no laws on the books saying that I HAVE to create jobs.
        Small fat and happy.

        Also. I only buy silver and lock it up in many safe locations.
        When I sell at retirement it will be one or two 10 oz bars to local professionals I know.
        Zero taxes….avoidance and evasion by rule of zero records…zero taxes. Suck it feds.

        As soon as the “beige bastard” took office we all got armed up. That meant all this shit was going down…

        The entire country is failing….so all the folks will vote a handout.
        More debt slaves for me to rent housing to.

        Currently I’m working on global .com venture…so the income will come in globally then be converted to physical silver. Zero employees

        Just checked my bank statement…my other .com sites have amazon links filling it nicely.

        So for Obama nazis care…just don’t play.
        Don’t create jobs. Let it all collapse.
        Then when the population riots…just stay home.

        Your best preps are a big mean watch dog.
        A safe full of silver and emergency cash.
        A few shotguns.
        Long term super pails from beprepared.com
        Having your own .com venture that run globally.
        Zero building, zero employees…just files on leased servers.
        I lease a virtual private server for $60 a month.
        This lets me create as many databases as I want then you just wire up the
        web pages and load up on amazon links and an affiliate account.

        Maybe it’s all time we preppers start talking about survival business!!!!
        And stop being a bunch of bitches.
        You make your own luck.

        I prep up with many computer books and just keep reading them and figure all this shit out. The web is filled with tons of how to info.

        Think how times have changed.
        In my grandfather’s day..he could roll a bbq grill to the curb and sell ribs off his porch with the wife making the salads and baking.
        With all the regulation..that is no longer possible.

        SO>>>> fuck ‘em.

        Don’t play by their rules anymore.

        The .com stuff is up and running globally while I sleep making cash around the clock.

        I thought of building a consulting co. But I learned NOT to rely on anyone.
        Zero people…zero problems.
        Lone wolf.

        Big dog, big computers, armed, free.

        Now I’m eyeballing a nice Harley from some soon to be dead boomer.
        Many toys to buy from the worst generation in history.
        Thanks fuckers.

        Good luck guys.
        ps. Start thinking like business ninja!
        When they treat you like shit…then you go invisible.
        Also…it’s hard to get sued when they don’t know about you.
        Another fine bonus.

        peace.

        ps
        Change the way you thing…and your actions will follow and so will your ass and your life. It’s all good.

        Be glad the USA is falling apart. Because when it needs to be rebuilt..the smart ones will be there ready to sell Uncle Sam all the shit he needs. Live in the times…don’t bitch about them.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “Don’t play by their rules anymore.”

          If you still have a bank account with more than a few dollars in it, you ARE playing by their rules. Hard to avoid completely, I know, and you have made a commendable effort in that.

          Agree with most of your post but you can stop pissing on us boomers. We had exactly the same control of the government as you have… which is to say none.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Off the subject, but…

        things have not been going too well in my personal life lately– but I must say, that post Mac put up the other day– the one about old Feinstein– it really made my day! Haven’t laughed so much in days! Its good to bring a little humor in once in a while. Thanks!

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      • Smokey says:

        True, but ever been to a gun show where the vendors can’t make change?

        Just got back from a local show, one guy had to empty his wallet to find 5 one-dollar bills to make change, and another was hard put to find a twenty. I wonder how the next buyer fared with these numbnuts.

        I swear some of these guys need to get a brain.

        Some ammo was available, prices still high, but reloading powder was there and fairly priced. Every vendor I asked to make a deal made one, so it’s all good. Got a nice Pentax scope, a mint bayonet, and some collectible boxed ammo, not a bad morning.

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        • braveheart says:

          Howdy. Smokey. Went to a gun show myself today. Picked up some more shells for “Bertha” plus a few more items. Paid cash for everything, just like I always do. Credit cards are for idiots who have money to throw away.

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        Put your seat belt on, I want to try something.

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      • Johannan Baptiste says:

        It’s the Gun Retailer’s that VISA is hitting. Bank of America is already doing this.

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      • Night breaker says:

        SHTF ALERT 9-29 -2013

        I am putting this at the top of this column for all to read with the pending Goverment shutdown most services are going to be shut down . it has been confirmed to me by my LGS that after Monday there could be a very possible shut down or slow down of the NICS system . Which means your ability to purchase a firearm may be stopped or slowed . I recommend that if you have a deposit on your firearm or you see something you want Monday may be the last day in a while you can get your purchase approved.

        Also there may be unintended consequences of this shut down my Agency has informed us to be prepared for a furlough of at LEAST 21 days . DHS has informed us NOT TO REPORT if the shutdown occurs on 12:00 am Tuesday morning . Also we will not be compensated for the furlough time or be allowed to use vacation time.

        BE ADVISED A LOT OF STATES RELY ON THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE EBT/ SNAP CARD SYSTEM .

        MATT BRACKEN DESCRIBES THE IMPACT OF THIS IN THIS ARTICLE:

        http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

        READ IT , UNDERSTAND IT , KNOW IT , ACT ON THE INFORMATION.

        PREPARE THIS MAY BE OUR LAST CALL .

        STAY ALERT , STAY ALIVE , FORM TEAMS .

        ALEA IACTA EST

        RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

        Semper Fi 8541

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        • JayJay says:

          Wow–am I glad I bought some more butter at Aldis today.
          Whew!!

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          • Them Guys says:

            Keep in mind that the feds has TWO seperate programs that deal with what or who stll gets paid.

            All such as Soc security checks etc are NOT affected. Those monthly checks still arrive on time. I cannot say for certain, but I think that goes for ebt card stuff also.

            All what are called entitlement programs etc continue as normal. Fed workers etc are who do not get paid.

            One of the TV news shows gave a website you can use to see what programs get stopped or not.

            This shut down stuff has become a yearly thing and each time its a stupid ploy by neocons trying to appear serious when they have zero backbone to really do whats needed.

            If we ever hear neocons or dems mention an END of fed res, and begin to allow US Treasury dept to Issue Debt FREE and Intrest FREE cash…Then we will Know they are serious on fixing troubles.

            Also if they ever mention or rather Question “WHY’ should americans taxes keep paying $2 Billion Per Day into the pockets of about a total 300 jew banksters along with their “Few several” gentiles in bed with them. To “Loan” us money that already Belongs to Us as rightfull Owners of America and it’s Money and systems to issue moneys.

            Then perhaps we all can take politions as serious and patriotic. Why they still seem to believe that we take anything they pander on about as a serious effort to fix or restore americans troubles that THEY the swindler polititions has caused? So far to me remains a vast Mystery. I assume they think we are all dumbed down sheep waiting or hopeing for Them to begin to Act like Men. To Begin to Act like a “White Man” is expected to instead of fearfull whimpy sell outs to jewish banksters and zionists galore.

            Something more convincing than votes or threats to withold votes may be required at This point eh?

            Waco sure had a huge Impact on Patriots nationwide. Wonder What will Impact polititions to awaken Them?

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            • Brett says:

              If the Government is paying about 300 Jewish Bankers 2 Billion
              dollars a day of taxpayer money, why can’t you stop them and what power do these 300 Jews have to make ANYBODY give them so much , rather than those using the taxpayers money for themselves?

              And would things be different if it were just 5 Jew Bankers getting all the money? Would the Millions of American Taxpayers continue to allow it to happen just as they are now with the 300 of them taking all this money?

              Are things so grim in America that you can’t do anything about this? Seems to me that if what you say is true ,then you are a bunch of Sheep BECAUSE you are letting them do exactly what they want and which they continue to do.

              Aren’t they?

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      • Spike D says:

        Just wrote VISA about their subsidiary, letting them know I’m cancelling my VISA cards and going with the competitors.

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    2. possee says:

      The collusion of state and corporations is simply called

      Fascism

      Look it up

      (Noun) the merger of state and corporate power

      That’s where we are folks

      Plain and simple..

      Now what?

      That is the proverbial question for all of us..

      As if we already didn’t know..

      Next?

      possee

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      • possee says:

        Of course most of us would never ever use a visa or any card for ammo and weapon purchases would we?

        These bastards are and will use every angle within and without the rule of law..

        Afterall…the financiers operate exclusively outside the law as they OWN the fucking law and supreme court lock stock and barrel..

        Witness S.C.Justice Chief Roberts..the black robed turncoat who obviously declared obamacare constitutional…they have the dirt on him as quite evident in his decisive vote…

        Owned by the financiers..

        Watch your backs all you gun owners..

        We are next in the crosshairs..

        They are relentless and will never stop..

        possee

        opsec

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        • JayJay says:

          ***Witness S.C.Justice Chief Roberts..the black robed turncoat who obviously declared obamacare constitutional…they have the dirt on him as quite evident in his decisive vote***

          Even if it’s fabricated!! Photo shop is a govt. tool now!!

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “We are next in the crosshairs..”

          NEXT? Where the F*** have we been?

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        • possee says:

          Personally

          I’m done with my purchases..

          The equipment (fmj and hp) needed to finalize those purchases is done strictly with cash..and no ID needed being a frequent flyer buyer..

          nough said

          possee

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      • If that is what they want, fine. Don’t use their credit card for anything. That will make them real rich.

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      • braveheart says:

        Howdy, possee. Even Mussolini himself admitted to what fascism really is. braveheart

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        • possee says:

          braveheart

          Good Mornin!

          Right you are…this has been a slow but constant process and the financiers are winning hands down..as always.

          They are in collusion with the (well paid for/bought and sold) politicians who legislate entirely on their behalf..

          The constant attempts to dismantle the 2nd amendment never cease..and if they can not legally legislate it, they will initiate back door policies by any means to do so..witness small but effective policies such as this visa nonsense..

          The idea is to barrage the masses in any which way towards negative opinion of gun owners..so far they have failed legislatively as the votes are not there yet in D.C..but some states have reacted with draconian measures.

          Kerry (aka lurch) just signed on to the UN Small arms treaty this week..but it will never be ratified by the Senate.

          My fear is another “massacre” or “disaster”of major proportions,or, many smaller series of “incidents” will “occur” to sway public opinion in their anti gun favor nationwide…or even a ‘collapse to initiate some type of lockdown of weapons by private citizens…

          As no one knows the future…best we can do is continue to prepare for all scenarios..and be very diligent and extremely vigilant in all cases..

          Personally,lead and brass are still the best investments in precious metals..as they will protect all our other assets..

          possee

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          • braveheart says:

            Possee, good morning. Fascism has been in place here since WW2. I’ve always suspected a series of incidents, each growing in proportion as time goes by, will lead to more and more people calling for gun control and some attempt at confiscation which is destined to fail. One third of the population are gun owners with at least 2 guns per household. Too many people and guns to deal with. Even if the Senate never ratifies the treaty, but don’t put it past Obamanation to issue an EO outlawing private gun ownership. The last quarter of this year could still prove to be “interesting”. braveheart

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            • Brett says:

              Please educate me guys.Assume the powers that be manage to disarm you all as you believe their Goal to be.

              What happens next? What do you think they will do? Kill everybody? Surely not, what would that achieve?

              More likely give them the ability to do what they want and exploit the Majority by under paying, putting in debt and abusing them so that they can make more profits and increase their Wealth at everybody else’s expense.

              If that is your Greatest fear and which you think your gun protects you from, I’m afraid you may have missed that train. The process has been going on for a while now to exploit , indebt and control and abuse as they get richer , more powerful and less answerable for doing exactly what you fear.

              They don’t need to take your Guns or right to own one away! In fact,given the powers and abuse and ability they have to do all the things that they do more and more and get away with doing, they would be smart to not do anything to anger the gun lobby or gun owners because they don’t need to.They are doing whatever they want and making you poorer and themselves richer and for them, they couldn’t be happier that no one can stop them,and your guns mean nothing and achieve nothing to them.

              If I am mistaken, please educate me, but on this point I can’t see how having guns has so far done anything to stop these people doing and getting anything they want at your expense and why it won’t continue like this.

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    3. Nutbag says:

      I won’t be using that card anymore, Bastards

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      • sixpack says:

        Imagine the delight of all of the EBT obamanites whose EBT cards carry the visa logo…

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        • jerrytbg says:

          you can buy guns and ammo with an ebt card?

          wow…where do I get me one? ‘)

          all joking aside, I do believe you’re correct, this will be used for…as you stated, or something very close.
          These people are so sick.

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    4. Full blooded rez says:

      They use school shootings to victimize guns. But really guns were never the problem, the problem was the mental health of the sadistic individual. Now responsible gun owners are being victimized and convicted by anti gun activists. I’ll give up my rifle when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

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      • Watching how desperate they are to disarm all of us is ample warning as to their evil intentions. Disarm at your own peril.

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        • Brett says:

          Bob,

          With all due respect, I hardly think they are desperate to disarm you and given the fact that they are doing whatever they want and enriching themselves more and more at the expense of the majority who are doing it tough and harder, why do they even care? They are not desperate because nothing has shown they need to be.

          In fact, everything suggests they can do what they want , when they want and no one can or will or wants to stop them.Desperate is not the word that comes to mind except perhaps in explaining what the situation is becoming for the average Joe.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “I’ll give up my rifle when they pry it from my cold dead hands.”

        Not even then!

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    5. Ugly says:

      There is just an all-out war on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This being done mostly by the Left. Sadly, there is a 50% voting block that goes along with them.

      Changes are happening very fast folks. What will it be like in just 12 months?

      Also, it appears that the new Gun Laws are just aimed at the Legal Owners. I don’t hear anything being said about getting the illegal guns off the streets by the folks that use them the most.

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      • Kindle says:

        Ugly,
        So true. When Colorado recalled those 2 senator traitors I actually thought there might be some hope for this state. I hope the northern counties are successful in forming a new state…needless-to-say I would be moving.

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      • Babylonandon says:

        Illegal guns are actually encouraged – every criminal shooting is grounds for a public demand for more security (especially after disarmament)- meaning more cops, body armor, automatic weapons, SWAT armored cars, other tactical gear …. all of which will be used against the people when the they are ready to resurrect the Reich.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        No, and we never will because all this gun CONTROL nonsense is not really about guns.

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    6. Musashi says:

      Is there anything worth saving here?

      I can hardly stand what we are: a pack of simpering, feckless cowards begging for shackles and a boot to lick.

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      • Brett says:

        Musashi,

        Now You’re Talking!There has been so much chest puffing but no real admission or talk of what can be done, how can it be stopped, what needs to be done!

        So many of you are waiting for something that if it happens , having a gun will be the last thing to worry about as it won’t stop what you have let come to pass.It will then be too late.

        Better to act now and use your numbers (as citizens)as many as can be got , united and determined to change things, to make it better.You are 99% (Potentially) against 1% and if you can AGREE and ACT TOGETHER you can do anything you want and NOTHING will or can stop you.And you won’t need guns to it. You just need to work together.

        And THAT is what the powers have been and continue to do and which is their greatest task (which they are succeeding in ) and that is to keep you in disagreement, confused and disunited, distracted and too busy or poor or worried or fed with threats and propaganda to put you off the scent…and all the while they get to do whatever they want at your expense and you are too busy doing Nothing, Minding your own business or looking after yourselves to do anything about it.

        Over 1989/90 and In less than a year Millions of Europeans in multiple countries destroyed the Communist power base and elite Interest groups and won their freedom and hardly a shot was fired at them.And they did not have guns or used them.But no army could stop them, would stop them and they triumphed.

        So can you.But more must be educated and more must be willing to do something, take action. Then you can do anything and will be unstoppable.And you won’t need a gun to do it because in this instance against this scenario, Guns would actually weaken you as it would provoke and give excuse and cause for you to be stopped and create an escalation that would give excuse where none could be given if otherwise.

        But don’t wait for the thing that is already happening and which when /if it happens at all, will be the last move of the chess piece in a game that was lost long before that final move.

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    7. Risky Whiskey says:

      Methinks a whole lotta rich/connected liberal donors & their families gonna die WTSHTF…anarchy ensues, & nobody shows up to guard their exclusive gated communities.

      There gonna be a THOUSAND Versailles being overrun all over the USA as the blue-blooded bankster class scramble for their yachts and private jets once the blood starts running in the streets.

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      • sixpack says:

        Katie—BAR THE GATES! Keep the bastards IN!

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      • Man on the inside says:

        All these men here know they’re going to die. So, each night when they make it back, it’s a bonus. So, every cup of tea, every cigarette is like a little celebration. You just have to accept that.

        Vassili Zaitsev…. PRAY, PLAN, PREP, FORM TEAMS….And use cash….

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        • Night breaker says:

          We are all going to be Vassili Zaitsev soon as our cities may soon resemble Stalingrad.

          THE ENEMY IS AT THE GATES

          HE WHO DARES WINS

          RESIST NO MATTER WHAT

          Semper Fi 8541

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “There gonna be a THOUSAND Versailles being overrun all over the USA as the blue-blooded bankster class scramble for their yachts and private jets once the blood starts running in the streets.”

        I suspect that by the time they arrive at the airports and the docks, there will be a crowd there waiting to welcome them… with torches, nooses, and pitchforks.

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    8. Darkstar says:

      According to the Authorize.net site they service 375,000 plus customers…make that 374,999. Screw Authorize.net. Spread this around to every business we know that uses them. Put them out of business !!!

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    9. Stan522 says:

      Visa just begged to have their cards cut in shreds……

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    10. Slack says:

      Off Topic:

      Morales: Obama can invade any country for US energy needs

      Bolivia’s President Evo Morales (Reuters//David Mercado)
      In his dramatic speech in New York, Bolivian President Evo Morales called for the UN to be moved out of the US and for Barack Obama to be tried for crimes against humanity. Speaking to RT, Morales explained his controversial proposals.
      In his most controversial demand, Morales said that Obama should face an international trial with human rights watchdogs among the judges. The Bolivian president accused his US counterpart of instigating conflicts in the Middle East to make the region more volatile and to increase the US’s grip on the natural resources it abounds in. He gave Libya as an example of a country where “they arranged for the president to be killed, and they usurped Libya’s oil.”
      “Now they are funding the rebels that fight against presidents who don’t support capitalism or imperialism,” Morales told Eva Golinger of RT’s Spanish sister channel, Actualidad. “And where a coup d’état is impossible, they seek to divide the people in order to weaken the nation – a provocation designed to trigger an intervention by peacekeeping forces, NATO, the UN Security Council. But the intervention itself is meant to get hold of oil resources and gain geopolitical control, rather than enforce respect for human rights.”
      The US also operates in the same imperialist way outside the Middle East, Morales argued. At the General Assembly Obama said that the US “is prepared to use all elements of our power, including military force, to secure these core interests” in the Middle East. Among the core interests, he mentioned “the free flow of energy from the region to the world.” Morales said that Obama’s statement should make any country possessing natural resources worried.
      “I think that statement poses a threat to all countries that have energy sources, especially gas and oil,” Morales said. “But mostly those countries that sell gas and oil to the US. It is a direct threat. I am planning to meet with President Maduro and analyze the issue. I understand that this is a direct threat to Venezuela, because in order to secure his country’s energy needs, Obama can invade any country.”
      Read More: http://rt.com/news/morales-interview-obama-un-442/

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      • sixpack says:

        I think he pretty much nailed it—is anybody here still doubting that our shadow gov has become the scourge of the earth? We can’t expect the other countries to fight our battle for us. With us, but not for us.

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      • GHregory8 says:

        Slack: It’s no coincident that the U.N. (NYC) and the World Bank and IMF (D.C.) are all located here in the U.S. World wide corporate powers operate from these two cities, just hours apart. Morales of Bolivia is late to the knowledge that these organizations, and the those that run them, rule the planet and pose a clear and present danger to the rest of us with their wars and monetary manipulations. To TPTB, Bolivia is just a mining colony with a pesky populist leader who actually believes that his county’s resources belong to the Bolivian people. If he gets too far out of line, he’ll have some sort of accident or phony revolt.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “He gave Libya as an example of a country where “they arranged for the president to be killed, and they usurped Libya’s oil.””

        Yeah, to say nothing of 144 tons of Libyan gold that has somehow, uh, disappeared.

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        • sixpack says:

          My question is, since pretty much everyone in the world KNOWS what the occupied gov of the former united states is doing, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO START TRYING TO DESTROY THE REGIME? The U.S. isn’t so powerful that they can’t be taken down (notice I say “they” and not “WE”) if several countries join forces against them.

          Since our ability to produce anything of value in this country has been destroyed, all they would have to do is simultaneously start trade embargoes and dump the petro-dollar, and THIS GOV WOULD BE THROUGH, leaving only the banksters and their ruling family to contend with…hell, hang a few of them and they’ll disappear rather quickly.

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          • Brett says:

            sixpack,

            You have a point but we in the countries that know that (and most don’t know, or have their own butts to protect or interests to gain)would ask why YOU THE PEOPLE and the Majority stop them yourselves.You are obviously targets and are being exploited more and more and let them do it to you.

            They ensure you are distracted , self absorbed, kept busy or worried or desperate to even think about things and all the while get treated worse and worse. Use the inherent power you have! how can you let 1% of the population dictate and control the other 99%? They continue to keep you fighting and arguing with each other as they laugh all the way to the banks they own and which you throw your money at to make them even richer as you get poorer?
            Its your country guys.If you think it no longer is, then make it yours again.You are the Majority, act like it and take back what is and always was yours until you allowed the ball to drop.Pick that ball up and hold it tightly .Together.Then it will never drop again and will remain in your rightful hands.

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        • lastmanstanding says:

          all true 41Mag…don’t forget about the huge freshwater aquifer that Mumar so gratiously provided for his people for their survival.

          I wonder what is up with all that clean water right now? I wonder where it has been directed?

          I could tell you, but then I would be called an anti-semite.

          Frankly, I am stay on the earth…for a long time yet.

          Others…short-timers.

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    11. Lena says:

      Try this on to see how far we have gone as a country.

      Is there anyone here that doesn’t think it’s possible that Fannie Mae or some USA mortgage company starts conditioning your mortgage based on you having guns in a place they are providing your mortgage ?

      Long way from cowboy bush days in a short time, the founders were right; we could lose everything in one generation.

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      • durango kidd says:

        I guess voting really does matter when it comes to some things. Let your Barnhardt out! :-)

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        • clark says:

          No, Durango (Krugman) Kidd, voting never matters. They just want you to thin it does.
          Oh wait, you’re one of “them’, and you want us to think voting matters.
          I see.
          How Do you sleep at might?
          I mean, you’re such a sell-out. How do you .. ah nevermind, psychopaths never have a problem with selling out.

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          • yourmotherwaswrong says:

            @clark

            DK is the same clown who attempted to argue that what Jon Corzine did at MF Global was “legal.”

            And lets not forget his glowing accolades of rehypothecation, aka, shadow banking fraud.

            What else would one expect from an establishment shill?

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                • braveheart says:

                  YMWW, I promise I’m NOT the one who made that post. My computer was turned off at the time that post was made. I don’t even care about the dispute between you and DK. My only targets are Rich98 and urban dog. You’re OK with me. braveheart

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            • durango kidd says:

              Yo mama: What Jon Corzine did WAS legal, as rehypothecation was identified in the contract and was agreed to by those investors (who were primarily other Hedge Fund Managers, btw)when they executed the contract.

              Their greed caused their financial demise, all the way around as they wanted their investment funds to be leveraged 40 times, expecting to make a HUGE profit. These professionals understood the Risk/Reward relationship when they took that risk.

              If you are going to play in the Big Game, better understand the Rules under which the game is played. They did. They rolled the dice and lost. Life is about making choices and living with the results. They have no one to blame but themselves.

              And least of all, Corzine. :-)

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          • durango kidd says:

            Clark: If voting doesn’t matter, tell that to the commies in colorado politics who are now unemployed after the Recall! :-)

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          • braveheart says:

            Rich98, I’m NOT familiar with Ann Barnhardt so I won’t comment on her. If you want to try to trust a feminist, that’s your own affair, and good luck with it. I have yet to see one feminist with GOOD intentions toward any man. It’s feminists and trolls who need help, IF that’s possible.

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            • RICH98 says:

              Bravehart I will agree with you on that.

              And I wont trust feminist bitches.

              All the REALLY want is a penis between their legs.
              But THEIR OWN, not anyone else’s.

              Barnhart is a psycho who dresses like a man and rants and raves CONSTANTLY about homosexuality…. like WAY MORE than needed…. seems to be a little TOO MUCH on her mind.

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              • braveheart says:

                Rich98, OK, there’s one are where we have some common ground. Feminism has really screwed up the minds of American women. It’s been devastating for men. It’s made all of the problems between men and women more difficult than ever to solve. In court cases involving divorce, child custody, alimony, domestic abuse, women are shown favoritism by these libturd judges, especially if the judge is female. There is no due process, not even a pretense of justice. I’ve known men who have lost everything they’ve worked hard for because of some female bullshit. feminism is the biggest thing that keeps me alone. never found another woman I could trust. I’m too old now to even care about that. All I’m focusing now is on survival of what’s coming down the pike and it ain’t gonna be nice, that’s for sure.

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                • RICH98 says:

                  Feminism has totally fucked up the whole family structure.
                  A lot of the reason for these fucked u kids lies in the fatc that they come home to no mother, an empty house and are supposed to fair for themselves.
                  The women have taken traditional men’s jobs, and they are not even any good at them. They WANT to BECOME men it seems.

                  They are cold, calculating bitches and it is better to lay alone, than with one of their ilk.

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                • braveheart says:

                  Rich98, you’re absolutely right about what feminism has done to the family structure. families are definitely not what they used to be. The great cry of the “women’s movement” since the 60s has been that women can do anything that a man can do, and do it better. Ask any veterans who have served in the military since the 70s how well female service members have done. They have some really interesting stories to tell. Feminism is nowhere near what it’s been made out to be. they don’t even care about women like they claim to. it’s also responsible for the increase in lesbianism. Man, it’s so sickening. You’re right on target about better off being alone. There’s been some times when it hurts, but I still cope with it very well, all things considered. I’m just glad I never became desperate. There’s no telling where I’d be at now. lowering my standards is the worst thing I could do to myself. braveheart

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                • laura m. says:

                  B’heart: I know men who went thru messy divorces, few got custody and several grandparents took custody of kids; as for senior dating, most 55 plus men want maids and cooks, many women (and some men) are gold diggers. Have true friends, beware anyone who pushes marriage, pay your own way,thus no strings. (get a pre nupt if you hit the ct house) It’s hard to trust anyone anymore of any age/sex. Real friends who practice common decency/respect are in short supply, many retirees are picky and wiser,live semi reclusive lives, avoiding civic/social/church groups.

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          • You fuckheads and your “therapy” are a huge part of the problem. Psychiatry is the worst mental disorder.

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          • durango kidd says:

            I love Ann Barnhardt. I don’t agree with her every opinion, and she may be many things, but one thing I know ….. Ann Barnhardt is a Patriot.

            I love Ann Barnhardt! :-)

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              @the durango kidd

              BarnTard is very loud, but not very smart.

              One point I will concede to Ann, is her opinion on Jon Corzine and MF Global. She thinks he’s a crook and should be in prison!

              “I love Ann Barnhardt!”

              What say you DK???

              Does your “love” have it wrong?

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              • durango kidd says:

                Yo Mama: I have criticised Ann’s position on Jon Corzine/MF Global in these comment sections before. It is a particularly bad error on her part because as a professional in the field, she should know better (and I am sure shes does) because that is part of her education, experience, and special expertise. I believe she is just blinded by her anger.

                I am not defending Jon Corzine, but I am stating the legal facts.

                Her rants against the Commodities org are justified and individuals in that “government watchdog” should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for Malfeasance in Office.

                Engage your employees or be swindled by them. :-)

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                • RICH98 says:

                  And ANGRY she is.

                  An angry, loudmouth, man dressing, feminist bitch.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Rich98: I agree that Ann could use a makeover, and her wardrobe does not place her in the Top Ten Best Dressed Women in America, but WE are all individuals, for better or worse, and WE get to choose how WE want to present ourselves to the world.

                  Life is about expressing what is inside, outside because WE are each unique creations of Almighty God.

                  I love Patriots. I love Ann. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  @The Durango Kidd

                  So Barnhardt doesn’t know what she’s talking about, but yet she’s “a professional in the field” you say.

                  And in your professional assesment, Barnhardt, being “a professional in the field”… “is just blinded by her anger.”

                  Riiight. You’re a real piece of work aren’t ya DK.

                  If as you claim, everything was on the up’n'up with respect to MF Globals meltdown and subsequent bankruptcy, why do you say: “individuals in that “government watchdog” should be held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for Malfeasance in Office?”

                  So did MF Global (Jon Corzine) violate Section 4d of the CEA which requires segregation of customer funds and prohibits FCMs from using those funds for their own purposes, or not?

                  The answer is obvious, but apparently not to you.

                  Maybe you’re just blinded by your ignorance.

                  http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42091.pdf

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The Durango Kidd says:

                  “WE are all individuals, for better or worse, and WE get to choose how WE want to present ourselves to the world.”

                  Except when your beloved State says otherwise.

                  “Individuals?” Statists like you have no concept of the “individual!”

                  People like you may allow me/others the “freedom” of choice when it comes to our underwear decisions, but when it comes to real freedoms; like allowing us the choice of who we associate with, what we do, and what medium of exchange we use; you and your ilk are a full blown Communist.

                  “Command and Control” is what you and your State are all about!

                  Freedom… Liberty. You don’t have any real understanding of those terms even though you pay lip-service to them on this site.

                  And you call me a Communist? LOL

                  Clark may be a “skinny, fucking faggot,” but he’s got your number, and so do I!

                  Durango “Krugman” Kidd.

                  Keynesian/Statist/Establishment/Troll.

                  Oh yeah… and an old fat faggot too.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: I have not followed the MF Global bankruptcy trial, nor do I have time to do so. And I really don’t care about where the “customer funds” are or are not; as these “customers” were, primarily, very wealthy Hedge Fund Managers making hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Cry me a river if they lose some money.

                  As industry insiders they knew the risk they were taking when they executed the standard contract that allowed Corzine to rehypothecate their funds. Whether someone, (including Corzine) inside of MF Global, or whether someone at JP Morgan Chase stole or confiscated funds will be determined by the Courts.

                  To date nothing has been proven to my knowledge about the theft or confiscation or illicit transfer of funds from MF Global to any entity other than the clearing bank.

                  Government employees would did not meet the standard of care required by their position to monitor events beforehand should be investigated and punished to the full extent that the law allows under malfeasance.

                  I never called you a commie unless you and Clark are the same person with multiple personalities. If so, just remember the advice of my friend Jonny V: every personality should have their own gun! maybe that’s why you have eight. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  @The Durango Kidd says:

                  “I have not followed the MF Global bankruptcy trial, nor do I have time to do so.”

                  And yet you talk shit out of your ass about things you’re not informed of?

                  “And I really don’t care about where the “customer funds” are…”

                  Spoken like a true Establishment Criminal!

                  “As industry insiders they knew the risk they were taking when they executed the standard contract that allowed Corzine to rehypothecate their funds.”

                  Jon Corzine didn’t “rehypothecate” anything! He STOLE his customers money to make good on his OWN bad bets! It’s called Embezzelment!

                  “Cry me a river if they lose some money.”

                  Spoken like a true Establishment Criminal!

                  “Whether someone, (including Corzine) inside of MF Global, or whether someone at JP Morgan Chase stole or confiscated funds will be determined by the Courts.”

                  It’s already been determined! Moron. You just don’t know it because you’re too busy sucking government dick, and you “have not followed the MF Global bankruptcy trial, nor do I have time to do so.” Corzines’ victims are getting their stolen money back, but no one will go to jail for the crime. That’s what you call justice, USG/NWO style.

                  “Government employees would did not meet the standard of care required by their position to monitor events beforehand should be investigated and punished to the full extent that the law allows under malfeasance.”

                  What the hell does that mean???

                  “I never called you a commie unless you and Clark are the same person with multiple personalities.”

                  Well that’s a lie. And I’m not Clark! You can’t defend your bullshit, so you pull out more bullshit, and engage in ad hominem attacks.

                  Your game is bushleague kidd. Better work on a better one.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: I KNOW that the contract that the Hedge Fund Managers signed to allow Corzine to rehypothecate their investment was standard in the industry.

                  No one can call it “theft” if these Hedge Fund Managers agreed to allow their investment to be rehypothecated so that he could leverage their funds 40 times.

                  You can call them “customers” all you want. But the truth is that these “customers” were greedy financial industry professional insiders expecting Corzine to perform.

                  He didn’t. They lost their money and I don’t give a fuck! I don’t have a problem with it. It’s YOUR problem. :-)

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    12. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Just a coincidence…for you coincidence theorists.

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      • off topic says:

        note to preppers; don’t put down the .22 hollowpoint. you can kill a deer with it.
        I used to hunt jackrabbits in college on a deserted military base in brownwood, tx.
        I would take a blade razor to the hollow point and push a cut to the base and make another 90 (cross ways) cut to that. then, close up the cuts. Those rabbits would EXPLODE . now extrapolate…
        DEO VINDICE

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    13. Slack says:

      Russia Ready to Evacuate Nationals from Syria – Defense Minister

      MOSCOW, September 27 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Defense Ministry is ready to evacuate Russian nationals from Syria should the need arise, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Friday.
      Shoigu said that Russia has “a sufficient number of vessels” positioned off the Syrian coast, should the country need to evacuate its people from Syria, and confirmed that additional ships had been sent to the area.
      He said that Defense Ministry specialists keep a close watch on the area, saying that “they hear and see everything,” and adding that “7,000 people cannot be evacuated in one hour.”
      Russia has been increasing its naval presence in the Mediterranean Sea since it announced in December it would establish a standing task force there to protect its interests in the region.
      Initial statements by Russian Defense officials did not explicitly attribute this to the ongoing civil war in Syria, but on September 5, the Kremlin chief of staff said that “given the presence there of amphibious landing ships, they are intended for a possible evacuation of Russian citizens.”
      rt.com

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    14. Billy Hill says:

      Make that 374,998

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    15. Ginger Hunley says:

      Then if u pay cash they get u on video for laundry money

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    16. Ginger Hunley says:

      Then if u pay cash they get u on video for laundry money

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    17. Ginger Hunley says:

      Then if u pay cash they get u on video for laundry money

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    18. armed citizen says:

      I guess when they make me a criminal for being a gun owner I’ll be able to have all the ones I really want but lack a class 3 license.
      I can’t believe the camels back can take 1 more straw.

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    19. Buzzfix says:

      Those Bastards!

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    20. InWyo says:

      Interesting. What about Cabela’s Visa. I think it sort of depends on which Visa bank that you are talking about. I am not sure but I think Cabela’s runs their own bank card and I have heard nothing from Cabela’s about any problems. Will have to watch what happens with this.

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      • PenCRNA says:

        I was wondering the same thing…who processes those cabelas cards. I’m calling the company tomorrow an expressing my disgust with VISA. We use it for travel and camping supplies to get points. Won’t be using it anymore.

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        • mark in orlando says:

          i could be wrong but the way i understand it is that authize.net is the middle man, visa is not saying this.
          as a merchant you shop around to differant companies to get the best rate charged to you for a customer to use a cc, so really you should be able to buy guns with a visa card as long as the gun dealer doesnt use authorize as their cc agent.
          personally i use my credit cards for everthing and have never paid 1 penny of interest. a credit card is for the conveiniance (sp?) of not having to carry cash, if you are using you card to borrow money your crazy

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        • RICH98 says:

          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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          • Man on the inside says:

            What is grasped by PENCRNA is that if tons of people call VISA and complain then VISA can end THEIR relationship with the processing company effectively putting them out of business (it has happened before in this industry and other industries)… PENCRNA is smarter than you think and way smarter than you due to the fact you are just a foul mouthed insulting bully that pretends to know things.

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            • PenCRNA says:

              Thanks man on the inside….I was thinking maybe Cabellas could verify who does their processing as well. Maybe ask them to switch to MasterCard.

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            • PenCRNA says:

              Thanks man on the inside….I was thinking maybe Cabellas could verify who does their processing as well. Maybe ask them to switch to MasterCard.

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              • RICH98 says:

                EVERY Cabela’s could theoretically have a different processor.

                Open a business and work it for 35 years and maybe you would learn something.

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                • Man on the inside says:

                  I have owned multiple businesses and most large retailers use one or two of the same processor for all of their stores. They would not use a different processor for each store. This would make for an accounting nightmare at corporate headquarters. Or like Guitar Center they set up their own. Rich you think you’re so smart, the only one who has done anything but you’re a jerk. More people would probably listen to your stuff (some of it is informative and good) but you act like such a pompous dick that they just red thumb you out. Why are you so angry and such an ass?

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                • lastmanstanding says:

                  Man on the inside.

                  So you owned several businesses and now you work for the dhs…and have all the answers.

                  hm.

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        • RICH98 says:

          PEN—dont stop using your Visa! Please! Visa sent me here to tell you they will have to shut down if you and the other 30 kooks who respond here quit using Visa!
          Whatever you do, don’t go to Mastercard. Bank of America who issues your Visa, wont like issuing you same fucking thing that says MASTERCARD on it.
          Go camping. I think you need it. Prob camp in a 5 start hotel.

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      • RICH98 says:

        W are not talking about BANKS here people…we are talking about credit card PROCESSSING companies.
        It is not VISA at fault in this one. It is ONE of MANY MANY MANY processing companies, that is refusing to prcess his visa transactions. He will be up and running with a new company in ONE DAY if he makes the calls. There are MANY who would LOVE his business.

        Half of you dont even understand what is going on here. Geez.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Even if VISA is not doing this, they are supporting a company with their business that does. That alone is sufficient reason to smack VISA upside the head to get their attention.

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        • PenCRNA says:

          “Authorize.net, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Visa USA and one of the world’s largest credit card processing gateways”

          When you speak with your wallet, you CAN effect change. Freedom of choice includes who consumers choose do business with also, not just large corps.

          I am not surprised Rich98 that you make such attacks personal. I’ve watched your trolling for a while now, and it is clear that you cannot make an intelligent argument, so you attack on a personal level. This is the FIRST, and ONLY response you will ever get directly from me. Your attacks do not deserve the attention they receive, and I encourage everyone to just ignore you and let you fade back to wherever it is you came from.

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        • Gonetoolong says:

          If true, wholly subsidiary should speak volumes.

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    21. Tailfin says:

      Calm down, everyone… it’s perfectly legitimate to sever any business relationship because you, in good conscience, cannot support the activities of a client.

      It’s like if you’re a bakery, and you respectfully decline to supply a wedding cake for a same-sex wedding.

      Oh, wait… try that one, and you get smashed into the ground. It all comes down to whether TPTB give you their “approved” stamp, or consider you “doubleplusungood.”

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    22. jim in Va. says:

      My visa gets cut up…..no interest to them any more. Time to play the same game the left does, hit them in the pocket book.

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      • mike says:

        Hey Jim. Wanted to say hi to you. I am a fellow Virginian. I agree hit them in the pocket book and this nonsense will stop. At least from business. It will never stop as far as the government is concerned though.

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      • Mark says:

        I contribute to Liberty Counsel, Family Research Council, and Judicial Watch, partly because the SPLC hates all three and also because JW and LC sue the bastards and all three hold leftists’ nasty feet to the fire. I use my pocket-book to hurt theirs. We need more force multipliers. Make it painful for them. Bring them to despair.

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      • JayJay says:

        I only use Visa as my debit card–no interest involved.
        However, isn’t Visa Corporation still making money just processing those transactions and charging the bank??? And they have that money for what?? 3 days?? millions each day??

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    23. mike prince says:

      You think your angry? Just for giggles I took a correspondence course in gun smithing. Spent over a year. To buy more tools I sold many of the firearms that where bought as basket cases. British SMLE barrel crowned head spaced to .ooo1″ inch. cherrywood finish blued after polishing etc. Sold for $80 And many more examples…all the same story. That was 3 years ago. I wonder how fast they would sell today?

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    24. 1 John 2:2 says:

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      • laura m. says:

        1John2:2 I’ve read this website for years, much info. and many doc. incl historical, UN agenda, corrupt presidents thru the years, info. going back in history, etc.

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    25. Stealth Spaniel says:

      Please! Give them what “they” want-stop using their Visa Card at gun shops…..and grocery stores and department stores and wherever cards are accepted. Cash is king, and never ever use a credit card for a gun or ammo. We must stop making it too easy for them. I got rid of all credit cards in 2009 and have never looked back. At the end of every month, I am very happy to recieve no demand for payment. If I would need a credit card for buying something because it is too expensive-then I do without until I can pay cash.

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    26. Socrates says:

      Yes, the gears of the machine keep turning and the circle gets smaller and smaller. There are some chilling words from above I want you all to read very carefully and then visualize and apply that to the United States. The game plan they use there is the same one being used here. It’s ALL about control.

      “Now they are funding the rebels that fight against presidents who don’t support capitalism or imperialism,” Morales told Eva Golinger of RT’s Spanish sister channel, Actualidad. “And where a coup d’état is impossible, they seek to divide the people in order to weaken the nation – a provocation designed to trigger an intervention by peacekeeping forces, NATO, the UN Security Council. But the intervention itself is meant to get hold of oil resources and gain geopolitical control, rather than enforce respect for human rights.”

      The country has been divided forever, and it is by design. They fund money to the leftists and socialists within the school systems, businesses, people and courts to ‘make’ things go their way. The saying “United we stand, divided we fall” has never been more true than now. They are ramping up, gearing up and you best be prepping up like there is no tomorrow…because there may not be.

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      • jerrytbg says:

        Interesting you say this…

        Don’t forget that those lines in the ME were setup after the fall of the Ottoman Empire…
        Who did that and why?… I do believe “they” had their desires for future conflicts in mind…
        Was it Churchill that said, “look back… you’ll see the future” ?
        The grand chess board…

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Indeed so, Jerry… and the same with Africa… lines drawn by those with no clue or interest in tribal territory, thus guaranteeing continuous warfare.

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          • jerrytbg says:

            Didn’t catch your reply but yes, my point exactly.
            I forget who it was that said it but it was something about making more money in one day of war than a year(?) of peace.
            Bankers.. errrrrrrrrrr…

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      • JayJay says:

        Now I know why your name is Socrates–damn, I never thought of that strategy–make civil war to bring in UN intervention and US control of the state.

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    27. The Old Coach says:

      Hmmm. My ATM card is a Visa “debit card”. Which I specifically required that the “debit” function be inhibited, so it only works in ATMs. And I only use it at my own bank. So, they have to maintain my account, (at some admittedly microscopic cost to them), but they NEVER get a penny in commissions or fees. I think I’ll keep it.

      For everything else, there’s Mastercard.

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    28. Tor Munkov says:

      Authorize dot net is the small business line of solutions of CyberSource, a Visa company (NYSE: V), which maintains offices in Mountain View, CA, American Fork, UT, and Bellevue, WA.

      To find out more about CyberSource products and services, call Sales 1-888-330-2300.

      CyberSource Corporation HQ
      P.O. Box 8999
      San Francisco, CA 94128-8999
      Phone: 650-432-7350
      Toll Free: 1-800-530-9095
      Fax: 650-286-6641
      Email: sales@cybersource.com

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      • Miss DeeDee says:

        Call them and complain today
        ” ” ” ” tomorrow
        ” ” ” ” the next day
        ” ” ” ” the day after that
        ” ” ” ” Until Hell Freezes Over
        ——-
        email them and complain today
        ” ” ” ” tomorrow
        ” ” ” ” the next day
        ” ” ” ” the day after that
        ” ” ” ” Until Hell Freezes over
        – Miss DeeDee

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    29. Slick One says:

      The day comes when these antigun people will be wishing they had firearms. When the working class gets enoough I fear that these peaceable antigunners will be getting
      a violent comeuppance. Credit cards are just one way to place shackles upon every working man or woman. Eleminate all possible debit as the economy isnt going to get any better any time soon. We need a law that anyone seeking to violate constitutional law should be
      imprisoned or executed. ” The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.”

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “” The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.””

        Unfortunately, we are dealing with a pack of zealots who neither know nor care what the word “infringed” means. To me, it means that virtually all US gun laws are null and void via constitutional authority.

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    30. Confused says:

      Authorize Net is not the only Visa Card processor right? So if you cut up your card and send it in, your protest may not have merit because it may go to another processor?

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    31. PenCRNA says:

      @ slick. I think most of them do have guns, at least he powerful ones, or are surrounded by people with guns. Look at finespineless. That ugly dog has her permit. I would bet most of them are worse shots than dick Cheney. Btw, catch this….

      http://gunsnfreedom dot com /homeowner-is-arrested-for-open-carrying-an-empty-shotgun-on-his-own-property-after-reporting-a-tresspasser/

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    32. PenCRNA says:

      //gunsnfreedom dot com /homeowner-is-arrested-for-open-carrying-an-empty-shotgun-on-his-own-property-after-reporting-a-tresspasser/

      Bypassing moderation.

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    33. clark says:

      Well, I don’t know about you guys, but I’m canceling my VISA credit cards right the fuck now.

      …I only had one.
      But it’s GONE.

      AsTAlVISTA MF!

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    34. Sick of it all says:

      S&W don’t leave home without it and an American Express card for emergencies if needed
      Fuck Visa

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      • F*ck AMEX too. They are really no better than the others.

        CASH: Don’t leave home without it!

        And use something better than S&W to protect it and yourself!

        cafepress (dot) com/artemiszuna/1289034

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    35. SmokinOkie says:

      Not saying I got an arsenal, but IF I did, it would be made up of many, MANY arms purchased from individuals with no background checks, no paperwork of any kind. And IF I had said arsenal, all of it would have been purchased with cash, from people whose names I can’t recall. Fact is, I never asked for their names, nor did they ask for mine. That is, IF I had the mythological arsenal. Which I don’t.
      Oh, and I certainly don’t have several thousand rounds of ammo for those non-existent weapons. 16,000 rounds to be exact. Two-thirds of which would be puny lil ole .22 shells. That’s how much I DON’T have for those guns I don’t own. Nor do I keep them cleaned, oiled and ready for use in an instant. Because I DON’T have any. Nothing but cobwebs and Granny’s recipes form the old country in my gun safe. And not a single thing stashed away in any other secure hiding place. Nope. None at all.

      Nothing to see here. These aren’t the droids we’re looking for. Move along…..

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    36. Slack says:

      US appeasement of Iran drowns Israel’s military option against nuclear Iran or chemical Syria

      John Kerry and Mohamed Zarif at the UN
      DEBKAfile Special Report Sep 27, 2013, 11:05 AM (IDT)
      Thursday, Sept.26, was the day Israeli lost its freedom to use force either against the Iranian nuclear threat hanging over its head or Syria’s chemical capacity – at least, so long as Barack Obama is US president. The Iranian-Syrian-Hizballah axis is safe. The US also promises to start lifting sanctions in December if Iran admits inspectors to the Fordo enrichment plant. At the Security Council, the US finally buried the use of force against Syria’s use of chemical weapons by acceding to Russia’s demand to drop the penalty clause.
      More>
      http://debka.com/
      The party looks to begin soon! (BYOB)

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    37. king krazy says:

      After the AWB expired in 2004 you’ve had almost 10 years to stock up on gun stuff. I have guns from pre Clinton era that I’ve never fired. If you don’t have all the guns and ammo you will ever need by now I suggest you make it a top priority. As far as the Visa card there are plenty other cards that don’t have any restrictions.

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    38. SmokinOkie says:

      Somebody tell Kindle to bring the Abbey Road tape. And have Ugly ice down a couple cases of Olympia. I got the guitar but I can’t play to a sober audience, it just isn’t safe.
      Tonight we’ll rendezvous in Pocatello, go cruisin’ in the F250 with the 460. (I got a dollar for gas, how much ethyl will that buy?)
      Reb can drive. He’s more than qualified since he’s seen the General Lee make all those jumps on tv before.
      Tonight we’re gonna party like it’s 1929. Oh yeah!

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      • Ugly says:

        Sounds good Smokin.

        I got the F250 with the 460 all cleaned up and ready to go. The 8-track has been cleaned for Abby Road. A $dollar should at least get us across the block. With Oly on ice, that should encourage Preppers from all parts of the Nation to head to Pocatello, Idaho! for an American Freedom party.

        A time for tunes, dancing, listening to Okie and his guitar, and just being an American. A Day that Preppers will like, but the Anti-Americans will hate.

        Carrying the Bible and the American Flag are strongly encouraged. The only entry fee will be to paraphrase the Constitution and the Bill-of-Rights. This will help us separate the ‘true’ Americans from the frauds.

        Yes, we will party like 1929.

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      • Kindle says:

        If this were for real I would actually drive non stop to be there…can’t think of anything I would love more.

        Idaho used to be one of my favorite play grounds.

        I sincerely wish we could all meet up one day and have such a time.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Around here a buck for gas will get you exactly a pint and 3/4, if your truck is like mine that should get you oh around 2 miles or less!
        460,
        Can pass anything but the gas station!

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “Tonight we’ll rendezvous in Pocatello, go cruisin’ in the F250 with the 460. (I got a dollar for gas, how much ethyl will that buy?)”

        About a quart or 12 burbles from those dual exhaust pipes. lol

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      • ….HANG ON OKIE,WE AINT STOPPIN…WE’RE GONNA JUMP THIS TSA ROADBLOCK…KINDLE AND UGLY,GONE???…I DUNNO…I THOUGHT I HEARD A COUPLE SCREAMS AND THUMPS ON THAT LAST HAIRPIN(SORRY GUYS ;) …WASNT ME WHO SAID I COULD DRIVE,BLAME OKIE :) …NOW WHERED I PUT THAT PINT OF ETHYL?…UH,OKIE THAT ISNT THE OLYMPIA YOURRE SWIGGIN…WHUDDUYA MEAN YOU THOUGHT IT TASTED FUNNY….OH WELL…HERE WE GO….EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!!!

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        • Kindle says:

          Reb,
          It wasn’t me that went thump….you ran over the last known Abbey Road 8 track in existence. I think Ugly is hanging onto the back bumper.

          I actually did live a scenario like you describe above, except it wasn’t Pocatello it was west Texas, it wasn’t an F250 but an F150 4 wheel drive, it wasn’t the TSA but the Texas DPS, it wasn’t Olympia but baby bulls, it wasn’t Ugly or I that went missing out of the back but a friend named Charlie (rolled in the cactus & mesquite), it wasn’t people that went thump thump but the bong and bong box we threw out….and we didn’t get away…but by the time they got us stopped everything had been thrown out…cops were pissed. hehehe

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    39. Sierra Dave says:

      Maybe Larry Hyatt should come out of the closet and claim he is gay and that Authorize.net is descriminating agaisnt his kind.

      Homos being a protected class and all.

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    40. dusel1 says:

      Cash talks.
      BS walks.
      Invest in lead, food, and H2O.

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    41. 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:

      hyatts gun shop is Disney world for gun folks…I’ve been there, an awesome store in a so-so part of charlotte

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    42. warchild says:

      I have a debit card with visa logo for net transactions,will get rid of it and look for a new card for net transactions.As many have mentioned,buying from shops with credit not too smart if you believe(and I do believe)firearm confiscation coming,face to face cash was always the way to go.Live for today,prep for tomorrow,and,despite more bad news enjoy your weekend.

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    43. David says:

      Get a MasterCard. Cabela’s and Gander Mountain accepts them!

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    44. How many people will join me in cutting up your Visa card. I will never use Visa again. I try to pay cash as often as possible, but there are times you do need a credit card. I will give my business to Discover for awhile and see how they do.

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    45. Be informed says:

      Something interesting to note about the way that energy arcs travel around the world the direction in which the plates of the crust travel. Last night an earthquake east of the South Sandwich Islands occurred between the South American and Antarctic plate. If you use a tape measure around a globe and at fist travel in a westerly direction, the arc travels up through eastern Russia/Western Alaska Aleutian Islands right down directly through Pakistan. Just had a 6.8 aftershock to the 7.7 main shock. Those two main arcs from the other earthquake activity remain hot for the next 2 weeks. Should be able to determine which arc is the one that a major quake will happen as more precursor quake activity occurs.

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    46. Sgt. Dale says:

      Screw VISA. I hope thy loose their ASS!!! I just got ride of my VISE and went with Master Card. Better yet get rid of all your C.Cs. so they can’t track you, and what you buy. That will really Piss off the TPTB. Start using cash and barter when can. Good luck out there and my God Bless!!!

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    47. Npgh says:

      This is a little (well a lot) off topic but a poster here had the formula for using pool shock for purifying water. I remember something like 2:1 then 1:2? Could you please repost? I need that formula before winter arrives. Thank you for any and all help in advance!

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      • Anonymous says:

        Wasn’t me, but I wrote it down. Here ya go
        1 heaping teaspoon Calcium Hypochlorite to 2 liters clean water.
        2 teaspoons of solution to 1 gallon dirty water.

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      • gone under says:

        Buy a cheap colorometer cl2 pool test kit 8-10$ start out with 1-2 PPM (to meet demand)agitating the water let sit then keep the residual at 1/2 PPM. If you get it too strong, heating it up will dissapate the residual. 1/2 to 1 part per million is where you want to be at. Also Clorox 6% will store longer than some have stated if kept out of the sun and heat. It will lose up to 50% of its strength

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      • Smokey says:

        Make sure you have pure calcium hypochorite, not the stuff with added algal reducing agents. You don’t want that in your water.

        Rule No. 1, is boil the water after treatment, that way you’re sure it’s not going to hurt you.

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    48. Uzziel says:

      So… waste the f***s and/or be willing to barter for so-called “contraband” under the table, then.

      Problem solved.

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    49. Anonymous says:

      “Thus, government is now relying on their incestuous relationships with the many bailed out banks and businesses who are essentially under their control.”

      Government doesn’t want to ban guns.
      Bankers do.
      Government is by the bankers, for the bankers – to govern the sheep. They did this with wiki-leaks. And probably have many more tricks up their sleeves…

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    50. James Woroble Jr says:

      Obviously a gross violation of Federal law regarding the ‘Restraint Of Trade Act’ and the ‘Sherman Antitrust Act’.

      Restraint of trade
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraint_of_trade

      But being that our nation has degenerated from a ethos of reason and justice to one of agenda and fascism, VISA will receive the same in-your-face ‘protections’, exemptions and selective immunities as the rest of the banking and financial sectors have in looting the country.

      The situation is now so embedded and prevalent that it can not be ended without the use of a rope. And they know it takes guns in the possession of the citizenry to apprehend them and escort them up the gallows stairway. Ergo, the frantic and desperate actions to disarm the public.

      Unfortunately FOR THEM, with an estimated 500 million guns (depending on whose statistics you reference) presently in public possession, it is an impossible task to restrict or obtain enough of them to reach a critical mass that would render the citizenry defenseless or ineffective in countering and prevailing over the eliti$t tyrant$.

      For example, accounting for an absurdly and generously optimistic success rate on their part of confiscating 80% of the weapons of the citizenry, that would still leave 100 MILLION GUNS!!! That is more than what is presently in possession of the entire Chinese Army!!! Although these figures are debatable to a limited degree… YOU GET THE DRIFT!

      They have probably already consulted with their Rand Corporation eggheads regarding the situation and have been eloquently given the bad news — that they are long through the ‘looking glass’ in gun confiscation as a solution to preserving their lives, assets and authority in an economic and civil collapse. The present array of relatively symbolic attacks upon guns in America, is nothing more than a delusional self-confidence circle-jerk to sooth the psyche of the punk power pigs. The smaller percentage of rational rodents see the writing on the Rand wall, and their quiet solution is to escape when the SHTF!!!!

      It is healthy and intelligent to be concerned about such actions as what has occurred here, but keep it in its proper context. ITS POINTLESS AND INEFFECTIVE, AND ITS DONE OUT OF SHEAR TERROR BY THE TYRANTS, FULLY AWARE OF THIS. It’s their ‘blankie’ and they’re tearfully suckin’ their thumb behind the large ornate oak doors.

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        • James Woroble Jr says:

          31,000 gun deaths per year is a tragedy. So is 60,000 automobile deaths, as is some 450,000 deaths from medical errors — and the list goes on, and the number of victims increases. Rationality would dictate that anti-gun advocates would be possessed with 10+ times the concern and furor regarding medical errors. But they aren’t. When there is an agenda, reason has no place.

          So why should we accept even 30+ thousand deaths? After all, guns aren’t ‘necessary’ like cars or medical treatment.

          I submit that guns and an armed citizenry is even more crucial to the prosperity and welfare of a society then all the causes of preventable deaths combined.

          For when a government decides to enslave and exterminate it populace, the number of deaths number into the multiples of millions, far exceeding by orders of magnitude the numbers lost in all other manners.

          Innocents Betrayed – The True Story of Gun Control WorldWide

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vNj2sb_00

          If after viewing this, you remain unconvinced of this premise, you are most certainly beyond the realm of reason and compassion for your fellow man, and additionally beyond redemption as an intellect.

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          • RICH98 says:

            JAMES —- where were all the loud mouthed PATRIOTS in BOston when they shut it the Fuck down for the day?

            I’ll tell you. Inside their homes cowering like pussies.

            Who stepped up to the plate like all the loudmouths HERE talk about.

            NO ONE…THATS WHO.

            They did SHIT and took it in the ass like the bitches they are.

            Thats the point that other guy was trying to make i think.
            That you all bitch complain and buy guns….

            to LOOK AT evidently.

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            • James Woroble Jr says:

              You have a valid point. But just because a good portion of our ‘metrosexual’ male population has been domesticated (as opposed to civilized) doesn’t mean that they are unable to react, but that events must be of a greater magnitude and more dire to invoke action. Hopefully, this response threshold is not a ‘bridge too far’.

              There are still vast cultural differences remaining throughout the nation that define manhood and patriotism in a more traditional context. I can only speculate how different the response may have been in Houston, Texas or Cheyenne, Wyoming, than Boston, Massachusetts. Perhaps this was the purpose of the selection of this particular geographical location.

              Let us all hope that several generations of Jew monopolized media conditioning has not successfully feminized and domesticated our male population to the extent that they would not react at all to tyranny, but has been only successful to the extent that is has increased the threshold of tolerance.

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          Paragraphs please! I refuse to read a wall of words like yours.

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    51. EastTenn says:

      So when will Visa quit accepting sales at Walmart considering they sell fire-arms?

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Hi EastTenn:

        What we may be overlooking here is the 2%-3% charge that Visa charges WalMart (or any other company) on any purchase that a customer makes with their card.

        Even if you pay your bill in full each month so you don’t pay any interest; Visa is still making money off of your purchase with their contract to that business.

        I have no idea what they will cook up with WalMart but you can rest assured they do not want to lose their percentage from purchases from that huge company.

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        • JayJay says:

          You’re right, POG–my sister was in retail for 30 years and it was 1% many, many years ago.
          As I wrote above, Visa is making money also by holding that money we use as a debit from our banks even for 2/3 days multiplied by millions each day??
          Lots of interest to be made as they invest it or trade with it??

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    52. aljamo says:

      People don’t need credit cards anyway. If you can’t pay cash, just do without until you get the funds needed to purchase. I’ve never owned a credit card in my life, why make these greedy bastards richer?

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      • braveheart says:

        Aljamo, AMEN. I’m exactly the same way. Never had a credit card in my whole life and refuse to have one.

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        • RICH98 says:

          Bravehart you SHOULD have at least one credit card, and use it for like 20 dollars each month, simply to BUILD a credit history.

          You spoke about losing out on a nice piece of property once here lately, because you did not get the mortgage. And it had property too.

          I am not busting your balls on this one. A credit history may have been all that was needed for the mortgage. So maybe one card with a good payment history and you can try that again.
          If oyu use 75 bucks a month for gasoline, put the 75 in an envelope in the drawer, and use the card to get your gas. Pay it off when bill comes, and then YOU are using the BANK, instead of the other way around. YOU will cost THEM, not the other way around.
          Be sure and not take paperless statements either. Let it cost them even MORE to generate your statement every month.

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          • braveheart says:

            Rich, I understand where you’re coming from, but I lost interest in having ANYTHING after that mortgage rejection. I didn’t mention that I even had a cosigner, a cousin in real estate, with a perfect credit history and was even debt-free like me when I applied for that mortgage. Couldn’t ask for a better co-signer than that. Even with help, I still got turned down. I said to hell with it right there on the spot. I don’t need credit for anything, even if the economy recovered in the next year, whioh we all know won’t happen. This country is all but finished, thanks to the POS banksters and government. 2nd American Revolution can’t come soon enough. All I want out of life now is to stand up and fight the NWO and try to save this nation. I’m willing to take the risk. I think this country is worth saving.

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          • JayJay says:

            Never refuse paper statements–when the crap HTF, you need paper statements for everything.

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      • Brett says:

        aljamo,

        EXACTLY! And don’t fall for that Keeping up with the Jone’s sucker mentality.Mr and Mrs Jones are just as worried and stressed as you guys, neither of you can afford a consumer goods arms race that does nothing except cause both to regret and worry about why they did it. Lining up for 2 days to buy a phone that will hardly make any difference to that which you already have is achieving nothing, benefiting no one or providing more happiness to anybody….not really and not for any of the right reasons if you are doing so using credit because you don’t have the money to actually buy it.Credit where credit is due and that’s to yourself for not using credit and not making someone benefit by making you poorer.,If you have the money and have earned it , then you can do or buy whatever you like and you will like whatever it is you buy all the more if its paid by your own money made by your hard work , successes, efforts or even luck, but not for your loss and another’s greater profit.

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    53. Be informed says:

      People have been mentioning that there is a lot of talk on the internet that a 9.7 earthquake is coming to the west coast on Oct.3 and worrying many people. First of all the article is based on what really is a psychic prediction and not based on geophysical evidence. People don’t understand the amount of energy that is necessary to produce a 9.7 as is shown in this article that states that a 9.7 is 7 times as strong as the 9.0 in Japan. This is not true, as for each magnitude point up means that about 32 times as much energy is released. It is more like about more than 20 times stronger. The magnitude of earthquakes use this formula of measurement. A richter scale of 9.7, that uses the 10 scale of value, would be equal to an 3-5 mile wide asteroid hitting. For example, the Alaskan 1964 earthquake got a 8.4 or 8.5 richter scale reading, but a 9.2 magnitude of energy classification. The richter scale becomes what is known as SATURATED after about 8.5, and the amount of energy released for a 9.7 richter scale would be planetwide shaking.

      The Juan de Fuca plate is capable of a 9.3, but this would be pushing the upper limits. Even if the San Andreas completely broke and the Cascadia fault also went, the likely magnitude would still be hard pressed to reach 9.7. There are only about 4 or 5 spots on the planet that are capable of even getting close to 9.7. One of them is where the 9.5 occurred, the Nazca Plate off of South America, the Kamachatka Peninsula area, western and southern Alaska, northern India, and perhaps the central portion of the Australian plate which Indonesia rides on. Unless there is a series of plate collapses and major crustal displacements, all other areas don’t have enough energy stored up for a 9.7 or something higher. Rock usually breaks long before this.

      Now a low 9 earthquake on the Cascadia fault will be awful, and a low to mid 8 on the San Andreas will be devastating. The threat of destruction to the economic well being of the country should not be underestimated by such earthquakes. Just 9.7 is very likely exaggerated, other than in those 4 or 5 other areas where enough energy can be pinned up long enough.

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    54. Jenkins says:

      As a store owner and credit card “acceptor” I took VISA with the understanding that it was strictly business. I shall call the bank today and inform them that I will NOT participate in any POLITICAL manipulation and will cancel VISE from my store. I will also check and cancel any VISA card I may have.
      YOU SHOULD ALL DO THE SAME —– AND SPREAD THIS BOYCOTT

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    55. maudy fricket says:

      Retaliate or accept it. Resist or comply. Your free choice. I know not what course others may take, but give me Liberty or I’ll get up and get it myself. Oh Maudy, you’re too much!

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      • Kindle says:

        Methinks you are trying to compensate for having limp dick syndrome.

        We redneck Americans can get it up everytime…why don’t you go get ya some Viagra, get laid a few times and maybe you’ll understand better.

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            Must be collage edumucated to come up with all those words. And that limp dick reply.

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          • laura m. says:

            Brett: You’re obviously a cowardly gelding, like many others/politicians who have endorsed gun control. You may be getting paid to post your BS crap. Like Prep. Pastor, mis interpreting Rom. 13, you both are pacifist sissy leftists. Europe, China, Aust. & many countries communist/fascist controlled won’t allow gun ownership; these people are subjects not citizens. Real men want to protect their family from robbery, crime, etc and gov tyrants.

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      • king krazy says:

        brett, if you like we will take up a collection and send you to a commie/socialist paradise that would suit you just fine. North Korea or Cuba, take your pick. We choose liberty over tyranny unlike you and your omama loving ilk.

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          • king krazy says:

            Free healthcare eh? Can you tell us how you get the doctors there to work for free? I worked a back breaking shit job for over 30 years and save up a nice chunk of change and I didn’t get it by whining for free this and that. Let me downright shitty about it, you want my guns then YOU come an get them. That’s one hill I am ready to die on. Assholes that scream the loudest for socialism/communism are always the laziest. Why are you posting here anyways?

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              • Australia?…oh, yeah.

                That is the place where the government armed a whole bunch of their young men and sent them to die (and die they did!) at Gallipoli.

                And then they confiscated all their citizen’s guns so they cannot object to the forced taxation.

                Not any better than any other government from what I can see.

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              • jim in Va. says:

                Seems that you just had elections and the Conservatives are back in power. Your people get fed up finally? Its going to happen here too,keep watching!

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          • Anonymous says:

            Didn’t Australia outlaw guns and knives? So you can’t even own one if you wanted to. And you keep talking about a high minimum wage, but can’t get the amount straight. Stay out of our country’s business!

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            • eagle eye says:

              Actually, no it did not. Certain jurisdictions have bans on carrying knives in public, but they are heavily urban.

              The laws on ownership we tightened so that registration of sales had to take place and storage requirements were spelled out. More guns have been sold since those laws were passed than were surrendered at the amnesty when they were passed. IN balance probably a good thing, and as I had pointed out to me by an engineering shop manager once, it would take him about two days to tool up to make firearms if push came to shove.

              I own sufficient firearms and ammunition for my needs and have no problem obtaining more if I want to. The legal hoops are a tad annoying but not impossible.

              As for Australia’s political representation, Brett is gilding the lily. The 2 party state scam is exactly the same as yours. Both major parties are puppets for the corp, and both legislate for the same effect. Everything else is a sideshow.

              It is true though, our publicly funded medical system works far, far better than your corp model, which is such a failure even Cuba has lower infant mortality rates.

              A deal, I will refrain from comment on your countries business if your leaders will stay out of everyone else’s.

              Fair?

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          • RICH98 says:

            Brett. ya got a point there.

            We ARE shooting ourselves in the foot. Everyone can bitch and complain and then still do more of the same.
            This site is a whiners paradise.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Wow, just WOW. That’s alot of Kool-aid. We obviously have a different viewpoint here than you have “down under”. I for one am not looking to you or the government to tell me how to live happily. I am a responsible, legal gun owner who has never shot another human. Yet. I hope I never have to. I do shoot the occasional varmit. Yes, I will continue to cling to my guns and go about my way harming no one. Perhaps you could find a way to let the criminal element worldwide know of your solution. I’m sure as soon as they all get the word, they will also become responsible and gun crimes will drop to zero. Oh yeah, be sure to get the message to the White House for the Prez and his buddies to stop sending guns to murderers too! Happy Happy Happy!!

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          • aljamo says:

            Brett, you don’t get it. Glad you are doing so well in Australia, but that hardly compares to present day life in the u.s., the reason American’s need their defense capibilities is because we don’t trust our government, completely because they have’nt given us any reason to trust it. If the u.s. government continues on this path, even you there will come under their tyranny.

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          • jim in Va. says:

            We have an overall lowest crime rate in years and that might have something to do with people having access to firearms,legally and responsibly. That never seems to get reported(public knowledge from FBI) Its all about taking guns away for control purposes. Russia,China,cuba,etc. bring to mind nay memories?

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      • Shootit says:

        How many gun deaths were Murder? Self Defense? Accident? Suicide? How many murders were committed by those that grew up under Johnson’s Welfare program? Those that were on drugs? How many didn’t finish the 7th grade? How many people were killed by vehicles? Lets ban them!

        We need to outlaw progressives like you and their programs not guns.

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          • jim in Va. says:

            Most of our gun deaths are located in cities like Chicago,Los Angeles,Philadelphia and Detroit,all of which have been controlled by the Democrats for decades. Cause and effect!

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          • Shootit says:

            Sounds like you work for Nancy. Are you human? Abide by God’s Law? Are you controlled by the trolls? We should be able to have anything they have. Remember Dumb Ass it is by “WE THE PEOPLE” not by we “the goberment”. They work for us! I/We do not work for them.

            We don’t kill people. Governments with guns kill people.

            Look it up.

            If you don’t like guns don’t get one.

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      • wildman says:

        Brett you surely sound like an idiot to me but then what do i know. From a historical standpoint australia was a english prison island. built by men, for men. But as i see liberalism sure has made its ugly debut, what was once a great country sure has fallen fast. i can say this has happened to us too, but we can and do have the tools to take the country back from the tptb , you on the other hand might as well go shark fishing off the reef without any tools cause you sure as hell have missed the mark with your statement. Now you have waaay more killings with hammers, steel pipes or anything else that works, so when you are done trying to tell the rest of the world how to live, TAKE NOTE i didnt ask you nor do i want your input cause this isnt about where you live, This is about where i live. We also have a constitution and you do not so if you cannot read then STFD and STFU wildman out ps i may live like a hick but that doesnt mean i am not educated! now time for a big fattie and a shot!

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      • Outlaw says:

        Sorry everyone, I accidentally gave this fool the thumbs up. Fat thumb, small phone screen.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ Brett. Explain then why in England where they have taken away even pepper spray the violent crime rape is 4 times higher than in the U.S. Why in England a woman is almost 5 times as likely to be violently raped than in the U.S.? You take away people’s self defense, the criminals have free rein to attack victims. Like a predator animal, criminals prey on the weakless and defenseless. Tell me something Brett, how does a little old lady defend herself against a 20 something thud without a weapon.

        I say this to ALL anti-gunners like that bum faced piers morgan. Put someone that is anti-gun into a situation in which a large animal such as a cougar, bear or whatever is ready to rip them apart, and that anti-gunner would pick up a firearm faster than you could say hypocrite and shoot the attacker down cold.

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          If we were to give up private gun ownership at this moment in United States history, I have a feeling our country would look like the killing fields in Cambodia or worse, like Russia, who let the Bolshevik’s take away their personal arms.

          The Department of Homeland Security is not beefing itself up to play ‘patty cake’ with the American patriot who wants to retain his freedoms written in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights

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          • Be informed says:

            The figures I obtained are directly from the UK government on Wikipedia, and I compared them with the figures in the World Almanac 2013 edition. If you leave out the rape defintions you still have about 4 times as many incidents of violent assault and robbery in the UK as in the U.S.. Yes these figures are accurate by rate per 100,000 people. ONLY Washington DC even begins to compare with violent crime in England. Take away someone’s defenses, you give the criminal predator all the advantages. This is true in nature with animals and in human society.

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        • Satori says:

          its ok for Piers to be protected by gun toting security

          can you say HYPOCRITE

          Get off Piers Morgan’s lawn!

          http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/04/get-off-piers-morgans-lawn/

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Sorry Brett, Freedom has a cost, it always has. And that cost is always lives. You may want to live in a country where your taken care of like a child. But talk about a peoples and countries that are idiots, just look at a country (UK)that would send a man to prison for defending his home against a thug by what ever means. You may want to curtsy to the Queen, but here in America, were FreeMen and Women. Trekker Out.

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          • Brett says:

            How many people in this forum think that the Majority of the people are being treated well , paid fairly and have the constitutional powers given them not under threat or abused? Who think that fat cats in Wall Street are not paid too much and take responsibility for problems that they cause.Who thinks that special interest groups and industries as well as influential people have no more power to influence or change things to benefit them as the Voter? Who here thinks that nothing can be done or should be done to stop Criminals, Gang Members,Mentally Unstable, and Young Children and Toddlers from getting access to Guns? Who believes that this is as good as it gets and it will never be better?

            I would like to talk to those people who answered Yes to each of the above and discuss their views and try to understand them.

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        • Night breaker says:

          Brett just hope your lack of semi automatics is not a calling card for the Chinese to push you aside for your countries natural resources . This would be difficult to attempt on American soil
          Because there would be A RIFLE BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS.

          Think about that for awhile.

          RESIST

          Semper Fi 8541

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        • laura m. says:

          Brett: why don’t you and gelding Piers M, Blumberg, Hillary,Bill C, Schumer, witch Diane F and other anti 2d amend. folks meet, have a party then pack up and move to N. Korea or China. We don’t want you here,you don’t even care about your family being protected, all cowards and fascists for sure.

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          • JayJay says:

            laura m. you are so wrong–those hypocrites’ families and themselves ARE protected by armed guard.
            Hypocrites.

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          • Brett says:

            Laura m & Jay Jay,

            If you two can write such angry and insulting posts based on what I have been saying which is not demeaning anybody (and which by doing has educated me and made me better understand the issues at play due to more positive feedback and reasoned discussion by many posters) I’m not sure you either want or are open to discussing with anyone anything that doesn’t agree with your opinions and beliefs.

            But insulting and attacking others is attacking their 1st Amendment rights, is that Ok for you?

            To say I don’t care about my Family’s protection?!! I guess you must also think the same of most European, British, Canadian and other countries Father’s, Husband’s (and also Mother’s and Wive’s)ALSO don’t care about their own Family’s and their safety? Are you serious? Even if I wanted the second amendment erased (and I don’t)and ALL and any Guns you own or right to own taken (Which I don’t), and you had 50 loaded guns all over your house and easily reached by Children (if you had any), I wouldn’t say to you that you don’t care about your Family’s Protection.

            Your friend’s and family can do that and worry about that. My saying so would just be to insult, hurt,upset or anger you,and that would achieve Nothing good or useful for either you nor me.

            So Don’t.

            Unless you enjoy it…but that’s another problem,and wouldn’t help your case, if you were ever to make one.

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          • eeder says:

            My preferred place for these people to go would be Israel.

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      • Brett says:

        Oh Boy!After re-reading my first post here (above) I can understand very well why I angered so many…I came over very strong and very “Holier than Thou” which was uncalled for and not helpful to anybody.

        Since that post, I have learnt a lot and understand things better than I did. Thank you to those people who had the patience and motivation to discuss and teach me about the things they know and which I did not and presumed I did.

        I may not agree with everything the people here think or believe in, but I will always respect what it is they say and do my best to keep an open mind to the other views and things that concern them , even if I don’t agree with some or even all of them, it doesn’t mean they are any less valid thine mine.And in the exchange and respect of discussion and communication and
        open mindedness, therein lies the most powerful force for change, agreement, respect United and in agreement with the broader things and issues that maybe together we stand a better chance of changing to the benefit of everybody.It all starts with one talking with another and from such sparks a raging fire is born. Thanks folks.

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    57. Bill says:

      The most powerful tool we have is a boycott. Visa, starbucks it doesnt matter.

      Stop doing business with these people!

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    58. Kevin2 says:

      What do you have when business does the bidding of government and government does the bidding of business contrary to both the Constitution and to the desires of “The People”?

      Fascism.

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    59. Satori says:

      Seymour Hersh on Obama, NSA and the ‘pathetic’ American media

      http://www.theguardian.com/media/media-blog/2013/sep/27/seymour-hersh-obama-nsa-american-media

      “Don’t even get him started on the New York Times which, he says, spends “so much more time carrying water for Obama than I ever thought they would” – or the death of Osama bin Laden. “Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true,” he says of the dramatic US Navy Seals raid in 2011.”

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      • Pissed Off Granny says:

        Satori:

        I hope everyone on this post reads your link!

        At the end of the article Hersh says “THE REPUBLICS IN TROUBLE, WE LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING, LYING HAS BECOME A STAPLE”.

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        • Pissed Off Granny says:

          J. Edgar Hoover quote:

          “The individual is HANDICAPPED by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists”.

          Many great statesman have warned us about this; read some of Jeffersons’ quotes, or Kennedy’s speech about secret societies; America is being ran by people we did not elect…….

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          • Kevin2 says:

            “None are so blind as those that will not see”

            How one can not see the obvious requires intentional ignorance. For decades upon decades TPTB operated in the shadows obviously concerned about exposure. For the last two plus decades they’re in your face with very poor excuses (which is why the majority think government is stupid). TPTB are not as concerned about exposure as they once were or for some reason not yet understood are willing to break from their norm and trade stealth for speed.

            They’re moving quickly either because they’re very confident or very frightened which is fueling the need to accomplish their goals as fast as possible.

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    60. Chris says:

      God I can’t believe how stupid all you a$$holes are. VISA isn’t refusing gun sales. The processing intermediate Authorize.net is. There are hundreds of these outfits that handle credit/debit card transactions for businesses. The strictest ones are those that allow businesses to accept charges on the phone or internet. This is because there is so much fraud with those charges. I can’t believe Hyatt’s signed up with one without reading their terms of service; they are pretty stupid if they did.

      You all are running around like Chicken Little’s chopping up you VISA cards for nothing. I bet you are so stupid you’d chop your own dicks off if someone wrote the right article. Mac must be laughing his a$$ off.

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      • RICH98 says:

        CHRIS- right. they are all nucking futs.

        All this from people who claim to fuckin know it all.

        brainless serfs.

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      • Archivist says:

        What part of VISA owns authorize dot net don’t you get? Authorize dot net is a wholly-owned subsidiary of VISA. That means they only do what VISA tells them to do. They are refusing to handle gun transactions because VISA said so. Therefore VISA is refusing to handle gun sales through their subsidiary.

        If you can’t read and understand an article, you don’t need to be commenting on it.

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        • Chris says:

          VISA may own their stock but that doesn’t mean they control their policy. You assume too much.

          If VISA was disallowing gun sales then every gun dealer in the country would be screaming.

          You need to learn to THINK before you offer an opinion.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        The greatest murderer of civilians in the 20th century we’re governments gone bad. This was not the result of war but rather intentional murder. Criminal attack is pale in comparison. Interestingly these governments that committed the genocide first disarmed the intended civilian targets ostensibly in their best interests of course.

        Search JPFO for the data.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            Hitler was voted into power after an economic collapse and the NAZIs inherited gun registration records from the previous reasonably benevolent Weimar Republic. The rest is as they say history. Its not your government now that is the worry and with that in mind this is the reason why the Second Amendment was written; Its for subsequent generations. You guarantee no economic collapse? If so your ego is writing checks your abilities cannot cash. Think nations that function as a Democracy are not dangerous to their people? Ask the British Subjects in India how they were treated. Interestingly they were disarmed by law. Actually don’t even go that far. Ask any black that lived in the south in the 1950s and before.

            Its not the guns but who has them is the issue. Florida has issued presently over one million carry permits and revoked from 1987 to date 168 for a crime committed in which a gun was utilized. One need not go out on a limb to see the math and it is indisputable. Criminals kill criminals and occasionally the law abiding. Prohibition could not keep alcohol out of their hands, drug laws don’t keep drugs out so who in their right mind would believe with thousands of miles of unguarded borders that the very few guns needed in criminal circulation could be stopped? Lets face it a city of one million would need less that 1000 guns (type don’t matter as long as saws still exist). I would hate to live under the police state that could possibly make that happen.

            Your quite trusting considering history here and around the world: Why? JFK Assassination? You believe that nonsense? The Gulf of Tonkin incident which ushered in the full blown Vietnam war? You buy that crap? This stuff has been going on for decades and decades and in some form or another while the ink was still drying on the Bill of Rights. See Alien and Sedition Acts.

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            • Brett says:

              Kevin,

              I completely agree with what you say and I admit I had been a little over the top with my earlier posts and sounding more judgmental and sanctimonious than I had any right to be.

              Also, having joined and making discussion, I have heard and learnt a lot more than I had previously on the subject from many posters (like yourself) who make and present reasoned discussion, and by which I better understand the many, many reasons and thoughts and motivations that stand behind gun ownership and the right to own them which I totally respect, even if earlier, my language did not suggest I did.

              To you and others who I may of unintentionally offended I apologise, I did not come here to piss off people as my goal…that achieves nothing for anybody except rancour, anger, hate and further alienation between people and their beliefs and or values,than already exists. My point of view was as it remains and concerns the issues that might or could be acceptable and open for discussion and action concerning the unintended , accidental and tragic instances that occur and might be mitigated or made less likely to occur WITHOUT taking away the right to responsibly own the thing that this right guarantees.

              I now see that Trust or the lack of it is a much larger factor than I had thought in terms of perhaps why people are so unwilling to have ANY measures taken that may help lessen the issues that concerns all of us but any of which are not agreed to or accepted because of what other motivations are believed or may lie behind the noble reason for taking them.

              I see that now.

              And what you say above Kevin2 is just a tiny part of the the truths, evidence, data, examples and things that give you reason to mistrust and doubt many or even most of what the Government or the powers that manipulate them say or give reason for doing.And that is just the things we know of.

              And whilst guns and the right to own them is important and are the ultimate fail safe when (in this regard)the worse happens,they WILL NOT stop it from happening or even slow it down. I believe it is more ideal to try and stop it happening at all as the result will be a far better outcome than the endgame that some see as protecting your family and battling against people/forces who wish to do them harm.

              Better to never get to that moment or time and use the strength of numbers and majority will that always has and still can change history and move nations.

              It can be more powerful than ANY gun or guns held , no matter how many there are ( and by saying this AM NOT advocating you disarm, just making a point)

              Kevin2 I would value your view on the greatest example of People Power ever seen (but not by many until it happened)that is also the best counter example (of the very few there may be)of the view of Government disarming Citizens allows them to control/kill them all the better/quicker.

              I refer to The Fall of Communism 1989/90

              In which through the will and peaceful determination of The People in a very short time, Overthrew and destroyed violent Regimes and Communist power structures based on and supported internally and externally by regimes, elites and special interests in what?…at least 5 or 6 Countries at around the same time and with the same success. This was despite Armys, militia, police and other state controlled entities controlling all the weapons and apparatus to curtail, hurt, and kill as many and as much people as they liked to stop them. The People were NOT stopped and won their Freedom AND with almost NO loss of Life!

              In fact, I believe if the citizens were all armed or heavily armed, it may have given cause or reason or created events that would have caused a completely different outcome and provide for an excuse or reason or incitement for the military forces and others to crush the revolts and kill very many people indeed.

              What’s your take on those momentous and historic events from that perspective? (and My motivation is out of interest NOT as arguing against guns or the right to own them…these events were quite unique and not how things usually happen…)

              My perspective and interests lie in my belief that NOTHING can resist the power of the majority , single minded and determined to have or make change. Under those conditions, who has guns or hasn’t is immaterial, such a tide Cannot be stopped.

              The real task and challenge and on which everything depends on of course, is being able to get/create/motivate and focus that Groundswell of People…of the majority. And that is where the elites, powers, cabals, governments, and all the others work hardest in preventing, and to ensure won’t happen. so they employ a multitude of ways, means, controls, distractions, worries,propaganda,etc etc etc to always keep the majority from ever becoming united ,even though they might be bound by common beliefs or desires…all the other ploys and things that are done, ensure they dont get together , in common goaled action, to make things better or change the things that must or should or need changing that these others do not.

              We…You…The People United , in common cause and determination as the Majority…Nothing has ever stopped it before,and nothing ever will. The challenge is getting to that point, making that happen.That’s the hard part and which “the powers that be” will and are doing everything they do to ensure that it won’t happen and rock or risk the cosy boat they consider theirs alone.

              We need to make waves.Lot’s more, and if enough people make enough of them…A Tsunami which can’t be stopped is made.

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            • Brett says:

              Kevin,

              I completely agree with what you say and I admit I had been a little over the top with my earlier posts and sounding more judgmental and sanctimonious than I had any right to be.

              Also, having joined and making discussion, I have heard and learnt a lot more than I had previously on the subject from many posters (like yourself) who make and present reasoned discussion, and by which I better understand the many, many reasons and thoughts and motivations that stand behind gun ownership and the right to own them which I totally respect, even if earlier, my language did not suggest I did.

              To you and others who I may of unintentionally offended I apologise, I did not come here to piss off people as my goal…that achieves nothing for anybody except rancour, anger, hate and further alienation between people and their beliefs and or values,than already exists. My point of view was as it remains and concerns the issues that might or could be acceptable and open for discussion and action concerning the unintended , accidental and tragic instances that occur and might be mitigated or made less likely to occur WITHOUT taking away the right to responsibly own the thing that this right guarantees.

              I now see that Trust or the lack of it is a much larger factor than I had thought in terms of perhaps why people are so unwilling to have ANY measures taken that may help lessen the issues that concerns all of us but any of which are not agreed to or accepted because of what other motivations are believed or may lie behind the noble reason for taking them.

              I see that now.

              And what you say above Kevin2 is just a tiny part of the the truths, evidence, data, examples and things that give you reason to mistrust and doubt many or even most of what the Government or the powers that manipulate them say or give reason for doing.And that is just the things we know of.

              And whilst guns and the right to own them is important and are the ultimate fail safe when (in this regard)the worse happens,they WILL NOT stop it from happening or even slow it down. I believe it is more ideal to try and stop it happening at all as the result will be a far better outcome than the endgame that some see as protecting your family and battling against people/forces who wish to do them harm.

              Better to never get to that moment or time and use the strength of numbers and majority will that always has and still can change history and move nations.

              It can be more powerful than ANY gun or guns held , no matter how many there are ( and by saying this AM NOT advocating you disarm, just making a point)

              Kevin2 I would value your view on the greatest example of People Power ever seen (but not by many until it happened)that is also the best counter example (of the very few there may be)of the view of Government disarming Citizens allows them to control/kill them all the better/quicker.

              I refer to The Fall of Communism 1989/90

              In which through the will and peaceful determination of The People in a very short time, Overthrew and destroyed violent Regimes and Communist power structures based on and supported internally and externally by regimes, elites and special interests in what?…at least 5 or 6 Countries at around the same time and with the same success. This was despite Armys, militia, police and other state controlled entities controlling all the weapons and apparatus to curtail, hurt, and kill as many and as much people as they liked to stop them. The People were NOT stopped and won their Freedom AND with almost NO loss of Life!

              In fact, I believe if the citizens were all armed or heavily armed, it may have given cause or reason or created events that would have caused a completely different outcome and provide for an excuse or reason or incitement for the military forces and others to crush the revolts and kill very many people indeed.

              What’s your take on those momentous and historic events from that perspective? (and My motivation is out of interest NOT as arguing against guns or the right to own them…these events were quite unique and not how things usually happen…)

              My perspective and interests lie in my belief that NOTHING can resist the power of the majority , single minded and determined to have or make change. Under those conditions, who has guns or hasn’t is immaterial, such a tide Cannot be stopped.

              The real task and challenge and on which everything depends on of course, is being able to get/create/motivate and focus that Groundswell of People…of the majority. And that is where the elites, powers, cabals, governments, and all the others work hardest in preventing, and to ensure won’t happen. so they employ a multitude of ways, means, controls, distractions, worries,propaganda,etc etc etc to always keep the majority from ever becoming united ,even though they might be bound by common beliefs or desires…all the other ploys and things that are done, ensure they dont get together , in common goaled action, to make things better or change the things that must or should or need changing that these others do not.

              We…You…The People United , in common cause and determination as the Majority…Nothing has ever stopped it before,and nothing ever will. The challenge is getting to that point, making that happen.That’s the hard part and which “the powers that be” will and are doing everything they do to ensure that it won’t happen and rock or risk the cosy boat they consider theirs alone.

              We need to make waves.Lot’s more, and if enough people make enough of them…A Tsunami which can’t be stopped is made.

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              • Thinker says:

                To all believers and non believers; “The Truth is like a Lion,you don’t have to defend it just let loose and it will take care of itself” St. Augustine.check out the article @Rense on
                1777 Queen Maria Theresa VS The Jewish Banksters.

                They have us by the balls!!!

                Thinker!

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              • Indy Colts says:

                @ Brett

                Shut up and leave.. Everyone knows you are paid by the government to troll this board and disrupt our conversation.

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                • Brett says:

                  I’m an Australian. I agree with a lot of what you believe in.Not Everything, but a lot. I do not think what I say would warrant payment and the government has far more better things to waste money on than such as this.

                  I respect your right to bear arms and to protect yourself and loved ones. I don’t believe your Government wants to massacre you, there is no need , point or valid reason to do so. If they wish to control and exploit you whilst they enrich themselves at your expense,they will do so as it is obvious that they do wish to do so and have been for quite some time.And this is happening regardless of your having any guns or not.In that regard, they are not helping you to change anything and which they are doing regardless. And its wrong and they need to be stopped and you and your countrymen are the only ones who can stop them.And I will be the first to cheer if you do.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Brett,
            Man, I just broke a tooth while reading what you posted. I didn’t even notice that I was grinding my teeth.

            If your argument for disarmament is about the loss of innocent lives, well you should instead trey talking to the military, of all nations.
            Or better yet, let’s take away cars. They kill just like guns do.
            Or doctors, they are worse than cars and guns combined for the loss of innocent lives.
            Either you are blind, ignorant, or have an ulterior motive for your posts.

            A bit off information for you: America is not a democracy, it is a republic. To say anything otherwise would be a perversion of the truth.
            God and my guns say that I do not have to be a slave unless I chose to be one. I will never be a slave.Do you have that option?

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            • Brett says:

              Anonymous,

              I hope you are speaking figuratively and that I was not actually responsible for you damaging your tooth.

              And please, I am sure that I did not propose or suggest Disarmament and maybe if what I said did not seem to say so, I was /am more concerned with ways and or means that might be considered or acceptable so as to mitigate or lessen the deaths , injuries and accidents that EVERYBODY does not want to happen, and which may be able to be less likely if some measures are taken.

              But I do understand now the reasons behind people feeling that ANY measure taken is not acceptable as it may be being done for additional or more sinister reasons which rightly are unacceptable.

              And whilst I understand your belief and conviction that a gun stops you from or protects you from being made a slave or under the control of someone who does have the guns to make you one and your not having one makes it more likely and also no options to resist such, I do not see (On this specific point)how you owning a gun prevents anything , especially in terms of being enslaved!And as you ask me whether I have that option to not be a slave and imply that by not having a gun I don’t…is ridiculous!

              I am actually descended from (as are many Australians)convicts that were sentenced to life imprisonment and transported here for crimes that were often petty and harmless (stealing food to eat etc)regardless of why, my ancestors WERE SLAVES (effectively)so I can say more than perhaps you can,with more conviction that I do not nor would ever allow (No one would choose!)to be a slave. And won’t ever be, of that I can assure you.

              But do not think as it seems you and others do that there are not other ways to ensure or protect against being made a slave as there are very many.One of the best is( you might hate this…)is having a leadership, Government or nation you are part of and have helped make, shape and form that can rally , organise and best ensure that you and …all of you are not made slaves. And that is done by the military forces NOT citizens with guns, that have protected and defended you and I many times from being made a slave.And done so far better and more effectively than a citizen with a gun or guns.

              I owe this fact to the servicemen and women that have over the years sacrificed their lives for their country rights and a future that is enjoyed to up this day by all Australians.

              If by some way or reason that I cannot ever see happening here, that my Government decides to attack me and all the rest of us, and then somehow manages to be able to get the Australian Military to actually carry out the attack, If we all had guns to defend ourselves, it would make no difference to the outcome! Besides how in heavens could or even would such a thing happen?You don’t kill the slaves if you want to make them slaves! Thats a waste.
              All you need do is just pass laws and pay low wages , take away rights, exploit and keep and make controls, tax create other conditions that ensure that you gain as much benefit and profit from those people…those slaves.And governments try and succeed and are doing it more and more right now, and one could argue very and more effectively in the U.S as anywhere!

              How are the guns you own stopping or making this not happen? And seriously, do you honestly believe the U.S Military on Governments command could or would turn against you like this? How could it? They ARE YOU! I agree with you in regards to invasion (though one would hope the military would best do that)and in civil strife and disaster situations or the complete breakdown of society.But never in terms of my own people controlled by my own people elected by the people! I dont trust government as much as any, but they dont even work that way, at least here in Australia.There are better more insidious ways of making us slaves, and these are the things we must guard and act against. No amount of guns will protect against those.In this specific scenario if it were to happen, your gun is just preserving your life when all the damage is already done, its a tool to protect but its already endgame.But it wont save you against your own and entire military and its coordinated and concerted efforts to get you. But I can’t see that ever happening, there are far easier, profitable ways to enslave and are happening right now, so you can rest assured it won’t happen in the way you mentioned. But for so many better, valid and responsible reasons and uses, your gun and constitutional right to have and use one are great and something to be cherished and valued and I have no problem or wish to ever see or want it being taken away or made not possible. But for that SINGLE reason about The Government attacking you, that should be in my opinion of least or of no concern at all.It is not for me.

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              • kittyhawk says:

                Brett,
                you are a perfect example of a government troll.
                The terms you are using, your cadence, your apologetic tone/words after sending the entire discussion off track…..so pathetically obvious to all of us watching you so far.
                Ask your handlers to give you another assignment, say, HuffPo or something where the readers are less well informed than we are. Based on the discussion, feel free to let your higher ups know that we will never give up our rights.

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        • laura m. says:

          Kevin2: Thanks for posting this! as I was fixin’ to give info on JPFO too, directed to dumb butt sissy Brett since he is giving out stats. This info says it all (genocide stats world wide)

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      • Stuff it.

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      • Mountain Trekker says:

        Brett the truth will set you free. Blacks, Blacks, Blacks. Trekker Out.

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          • Them Guys says:

            Brett: Last week as i drove to the town store I saw a 90 yr old grey haird women drive ahead of my truck with a Bumper sticker on back bumper. When I got close I read it.

            It was a Q&A type bumper sticker that asked:

            Q: What went so Wrong in America?
            A: “Liberals, Negroes, Jew Khazars”

            Seems many folks are fed up in the usa eh.

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              • Archivist says:

                You are just ignorant.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Brett: Take a week OFF from the usual msm and hollywood propagands and lies and research a few issues.

                KHAZARS: Are mainly askanazi Khasars and recent dec 2012 DNA evidence Published by John Hopkins and Heberew Bio stufies etc and dna research done BY a jewish man scientist confirmed that at least 98% of todays jews wordlwide are the modern day decendants of a Turk-Hunn-Mongrel-Caucasian peoples who lived in the kingdom of Khazaria from aprox 1-3 BC untill aprox 10th century.

                Around 750 AD their King, Bulan decreed that all in his kingdom will convert to one religion. That was Talmudic Judaisim aka jew. Todays jews only became judiac talmud jews since 750 AD era and NONE has ANY blood or dna ties to any of the orig 12 tribes of israel.(its likly that a small few remement jews are from judah tribe, small few)

                Look Back at Past articles of this site SHTF and Read a few postings where I posted the entire DNA dec 2012 studies info that Names the jew scientist, and another jew woman scientist from Her dna studies of 2001 which Both confirm what I said here.

                NOW the SLAVERY ISSUE: Again Brett research, and if needed I can Provide a few good links to websites with tons of Proof, that BOTH Slavery of african blacks in europe and america, as well as the DRUG runners that Began with early Opium traders in the mid 1600′s era, were BOTH mainly done BY jews. Khazar fake jews.

                Drugs were and likly still are the operation of choice for the jew sassoon family billionaires(hair care shampoo etc Sasson today). They started with Opium 1600′s to China then to everywheres else too.

                Slavery: Jew banksters finaced, Jew wealthy ship owners, jew ship captains, even some ship crews were jews.

                AND: Those jewish slave masters and traders first did slavery to set it up in usa with IRISH-WHITES as the first slaves before even one single african black ever set foot on usa soil!)

                You never heard any of this because for the last 100 yrs khazar jews have owned and run almost every form of MSM. Hollywood-TV-TV News-Newspapers-Magazines-Publishers-They Publish school history text books- Banks-Most profesors- Most univ Admistrations-etc etc.

                Khazar jews today control most all of every important aspect of all nations and societies etc.

                research the Bible new testement also Brett, see what the Lord Christ and the Apostles wrote of them jew talmudics.

                Start with Rev. 2:9—Rev.3:9—John 8:44 for starters.

                www dot khazaria dot com has articles proofs and Maps of ancient khazarian lands which today is Lower Russia, poland and other lands now russia and moscow etc.

                That should keep you quite busy if you are Seriously questioning what I posted prior. Perhaps after researching it all, you will return to tell us all how much Wiser you have become and how much you have Learned that refutes 99% of all you and We all were told to believe and Taught as truth and ended up as Flasehoods Galore eh. If you need websites links, free online books to read like about WWII-Nazi issues etc etc that show the factual truths, or that DNA proof etc let me know I will provide it all. But if like some folks that come here, you are going to refuse to read any, and outright reject all and any evidence or proof and just call names like rayssis or antisemite etc than say so, so I do not waste My time Please

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                • Brett says:

                  Them Guys,

                  I did not know anything about what you have just explained but will look into it, it sounds very interesting.I cant refute or confirm anything on what you have said and would not do so until I had learnt more about it, I can assure you of that.Thanks for taking the time to tell me and I will look into it further.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            I’m not going to argue the slavery issue, that’s a dead horse. When 10% of the population commits 90% of the murders, that ain’t racist that’s fact. Don’t know what you did to your blacks, but I didn’t do anything to ours. Trekker Out. P.S. them damn Romans, I just can’t believe how they treated us whites.

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    62. Martin says:

      1st Chirs, VISA owns Authorize.net.

      And everyone should feel free to email the putz at VISA and let um know how you feel.
      board@visa.com, ir@visa.com, globalmedia@visa.com, jfloum@visa.com

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    63. Robert says:

      Anyone who purchases guns or ammo with a credit/debit card may consider the purchases as having registered them for an eventual ‘visitation’.

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    64. GrandpaSpeaks says:

      While the second amendment war continues here with VISA, Have they become what we once were? ..Pravda business reports “the state will still keep the controlling stake but private shareholders will buy 49 percent of the Kalashnikov concern. Private investors plan to invest 2.5 billion rubles in the development of the concern in the next two years. Moreover, the state had two conditions: transparency of transactions and attraction of investors from among Russian citizens. Both of these requirements have been met,” ..And we continue to become what they once were.

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    65. Be informed says:

      Brett needs to compare violent crime rates in ALL countries to this country, such as robbery, assault, and rape. Whenever you give the criminal the advantage, they take full advantage of it completely. Guns and other non-lethal self defense tools such as stun devices and pepper spray are a deterrent to being a victim. Brett needs to look at the UK crime statistics on this one to prove that England has become a true hell hole for criminal activity because they de tooth and de claw everyone over there. Brett needs to talk to people in England that are absolutely terrified of going for a walk on the streets because of being attacked by criminals that don’t have any guns, they just will bash your head in with a nice pipe.

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    66. Be informed says:

      Brett also needs to understand that the main reason why the Japanese did not invade the west coast of the U.S. after attacking Pearl Harbor was because of the high number of guns in California, Nevada, and Arizona. The U.S. needs a civilian army to safeguard it against a true attack for a true foreign enemy. This is what the 2nd Amendment was about, protecting against all enemies foreign and domestic. European pacifist countries will see what eastern coalition forces will do when those countries are facing an enemy that has not disarmed their citizens.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Brett. The Japanese knew full well that unless they could stop the vast manufacturing base on the continental U.S. that it was game over. The idea of attacking the mainland was however scraped because the mass resistance that would have occurred from the west coast because the Americans were so well armed. The Japanese eventually ran out of fuel and one of the reasons that they wanted Indonesia so desperately, as the nazis wanted Russia, oil. Japan ONLY wanted to hold fuel rich areas that could supply their armed forces.

          Remember this was AFTER they attacked Pearl Harbor and they realized that the war was not going to go well and they had to stop the U.S. from resupplying the war effort. Just as China and Russia will target all U.S. manufacturing bases with their nuclear weapons to not allow the U.S. to continue building what is necessary for the military. This also includes refineries that can get fuel to run the war machines. Japan knew that if there had a better chance of winning the war or at least running it into a stalement they had to stop this manufacturing base. The Japanese concluded that they did not have the manpower and ships to try to take the west coast of the mainland.

          One of my very old, and now deceased, college professors worked in military intelligence in WW2. He said that because of the fact that so many American citizens were so well armed on the mainland that the Japanese figured that such an attack would be devastating to the Japanese armed forces and would lead to certain Japanese failure. Japan figured that as long as they could keep the U.S. from taking the islands to Japan, island hopping, that they could protect their own mainland and the U.S. would eventually ask for a ceasefire. Didn’t work in either case. Thank the well armed American citizen army for the Japanese never even trying to invade the mainland.

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      • Smokey says:

        I disagree as well. They had plans to invade and occupy Hawaii, but the battle of Midway scotched that plan.

        They could have taken the northern coastline of Australia, but never had the army to take the entire continent. China and the Philippines soaked up millions of Japanese soldiers.

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    67. Be informed says:

      @ Brett. South Korea border is the most fortified regions of the world with land mines, this is one reason there was such a conspiracy idea that Princess Diana was murdered as she wanted to ban all landmines. Weapons are deterrents and work. Ask a career criminal when if they choose to break into a home. Would the criminal break into a home where he or she knew the homeowner had a gun or from someone that didn’t. Easy answsr on that one.

      You know something else, you want to talk about murders, OKAY. Let’s talk about serial killers that have taken tens of thousands of lives the past decades all over the country. Usually serial killers that only used knives or other weapons. or nothing at all other than their physical bodies. How many of those that were murdered were carrying a firearm? Someone carrying a firearm likely stops the maniac and saves countless other lives. Demons like this prey on the weak and helpless. How often to you hear of a serial killer going after a lady that is armed. They watch like the cowards they are, and someone with a firearm is extremely likely not to be view as someone defenseless. Serial killer goes to someone that is not armed. We sure don’t hear about all the lives that guns saved do we Brett?

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        • king krazy says:

          Be informed, don’t waste your time arguing with this clown. I have run into many a person like brett. They always complain life ain’t fair when the problem is themselves. They never save a dime, never prepare and when things get ugly they bleat for the government to help.

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        • Them Guys says:

          It is Proven that every year 2.5 MILLION uses of Legit guns by Citizens in usa has prevented a serious crime. That is Never spoken of in any MSM. Prof’s John Lott, and Gary Kleck(?) both wrote books on this issue. John Lott started out as Antigun! Yet after his 16+ years research prior to writting his book about what his findings were.

          Prof John Lott switched to be Progun! Because his findings totally show the factual truths, and real numbers do not Lie as many lib antigun MSM reporters Do.

          Prof Gary Kleck’s book has the actual numbers of each years total crimes Prevented by armed american citizens, some with lic to carry concealed, others by use of gun to ward of threats in homes or cars or place of buisness etc.

          The average total crimes prevented every year varie but remain close to a steady 2 1/2 Million times per year nationwide. Thats Private owned legit guns. NO cops saving folks etc. Strictly armed citizens Acting to halt criminals.

          Nobody can say for certain How many of That 2.5 Million halted criminal attacks per year would result or end in Another dead victim citizen. Or how many less than death crimes would result if americans were Disarrmed.

          But you Can be Certain of that 2.5 Million Halted crime attacks, on avg Most would end up as a sucessfull crime and many More dead innocent americans added to already dead victim numbers yearly.

          The name of Lotts book is “MORE Guns Equals LESS crime” and is documented-proven-factual-Truth. So well documented in fact that several antigun liberals from various organizations like Sara Brady(prune Face) Handgun Control org have tried in Vain to discredit Lotts numbers etc…Every one that tried went down in Flames and served to Strengthen John Lotts proofs etc!

          99+% of ALL antigun spew You have EVER heard is from and by fanatical lib kommie antigun clowns whos main goal is a disarmed White Nations, especially America, so then Their evil prenicious Extermination of whiteys plans can proceed without arrmed resistance from guys like…ME!

          Stay tuned Brett, as when these zio kommie bolsheviks attempt to exterminate Us americans it is all going to Backfire tremendously on their sorry kommie worthless Khazar asses. You can probobly view it go down Live on local news TV when it begins!

          PS go research yearly FBI crime stats for All catagories Violent crimes nationwide. Note how every year African Blacks comprise the Vast number, avg yearly of 85+% of perpetrators of aprox 12 violent crime catagories every year!

          Perhaps a much Wiser method than ban private owned guns would be to Ban Negroes!

          If every 100th negroe that packed their suitcase to be sent back to africa, added just One Khazar into that suitcase, and removed a khazar along with that negroe from the lands of the usa…America would be not only the Safest nation on earth, but also, the Most Prosperous once again!

          By Jove! what a simple plan! Send africans Packing, and give every 100th african a Bonus for packing away One Khazar in his suitcase to remove the khazar troubles also!

          Afterall not only do Khazars, 86% of them always vote dems same as africans whos 95% are dem voters, but both africans and khazars seem to really Love each others company! Many americans would Love to see BOTH groups Gone as far away as possible..Africa sounds swell for them all. Pass the word and make it reality!!!

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            • Satori says:

              locally
              we have had several home invasions
              that were stopped in their tracks
              because
              the homeowners were armed

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            • Them Guys says:

              The ONLY thing You prove Brett is that Liberalizim Is a mental Derangment, and once infected the main proof of that is the Fact that when libs like You ask questions or ask for us to refute or proof stuff no matter what we offer, no matter how honest factual truthfull and proven documented it may be YOU due to deranged mindset reject it all, always period.

              Your minds made up so do NOT confuse brett with any facts because no matter what he will never admit hes wrong.

              You are simply a waste of everybodys time is all.

              Same as fools in England who disarmed citizens 15 yrs ago. They too Promiced utopian society, Tame niggers, etc etc etc etc.

              Yet a few weeks ago an UNarmed military army brit got brutally savagely attacked by a savage african islamic maniac monky nigger, had his entire body slashed and whacked by machette and an AX, while dozens of UNARMED Brits stodd there observinh the horror in broad daylite unable to lend a hand to halt it all because ONLY the savage nigger ws armed!

              And You believe its real swell nobody has a gun to shoot and KILL that save bastard killer to save an innocent whiteman army guy brit!

              Brett you are same as the Putrid asshole lberals we have here. Even if YOu ara attacked or Your wife was gang raped by a dozen savage monky ape negores, due to Your whitey guilt and PC correctness utopian kommie attitides you would be happy to see no harm came to that dozen attackers and then you’d feel are emotional fuzzy warm happy inside because with you fool libs is always all based on emotional “Feelings”.

              The day is Fast aproaching when you types will BEG us to Loan you a gun and ammo or to protect your sorry asses.

              But we wont as sometimes Tough love by us is the Best teacher for You type idoits. And if liberals perish from shtf?…We will not shed any tears. Good riddence to badly dammaged goods aka mentaly deranged fool libs aka KOMMIES.

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        • Kevin2 says:

          Brett

          No one bent on using a gun in crime would be thwarted by any gun law in the US for reasons I explained @ 2419728 9-28-13 @ 5:44PM . The same cannot be said for the non violent that just desire a means of protection. By their very nature they obey the laws and in doing so are too often denied the ability to carry that weapon when needed. Why are the politically connected / wealthy in possession of Carry Permits in NYC while a taxi cab driver is denied?

          Equal protection under the law? Hardly.

          Gun control is not about guns but rather its about control.

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      • Them Guys says:

        Wasn’t Princess Diana whacked due to she was Pregnant with an Arabs kid? An Arab kid who’d be Next in line for the Crown of England!

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    68. Ugly says:

      A Prepper Tip by Ugly–

      RE: How to save money on each shopping episode and never have to use the Visa.

      Men, as we all know, we hate to shop. Why? Because it costs us money. When at Wally World our wives want us there to help shop. Why is that? It is simple, they need us to push the cart.

      I decided to do a scientific analysis. At Wally World, I pushed the cart the entire time and our bill came to $511.31. Thus, we used the Visa.

      Then next time, I had wife push the cart the entire time. Guess what! Bill came to $310.06, a savings of $201.25. Yes, that is correct! Plus we used checkbook and not the Visa.

      Thus, I repeated study 4 more times. 2 times I pushed the cart the entire time and the other 2 I had wife push it the entire time. Guess what, when wife pushed entire time savings was nearly the same with average $205.37!

      Study Conclusion: To save money and not use the Visa, have your wife push the cart the entire time.

      I have been banned at the store since study began due to a 27% REDUCTION IN SALES. But men from all over town have greeted me and even thanked me. One guy even commented that with the savings he was able to buy a $500 fishing rod. Another man stated that he was able to get a new set of golf clubs to match the new set he bought last year.

      I even saw one man wearing a t-shirt that said–

      UGLY SAVES !!!!

      Men, it works. Give it a try.

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      • Amazing that all that money that guy saved was wasted on a stupid fishing rod instead of something for the family. So instead of the wife using that money to buy the family good things, he used it for his own selfishness.

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    69. Slack says:

      Escaping
      When a major disaster hits society, people tend to panic, it’s a fact. Food, water, and supplies will be fought and possibly even killed over. A wide scale evacuation may be called into effect by military or government powers. Even with monitoring and assistance from outside sources, things can quickly turn sour and become more than dangerous as hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals attempt to evacuate their homes and leave their city behind.
      The ensuing panic and mass exodus of even a small town can quickly clog the streets, train stations, air ports, and other thoroughfares out. If you get the news a little too late, miss the window of opportunity when trying to get out of dodge, you’ll need to know how to get out and how to do so safely.
      Escaping
      Stay Calm – As always, staying calm is key to your ultimate survival. Seldom does a panicked person make it out of a dangerous situation alive or unharmed. Regardless of what is happening around you, do your best to keep your emotions and actions regulated and concentrated on escape. Think rationally and pursue your exit in as safe a manner as possible.
      Avoid Confrontations – Even if you’re calm, it’s likely that most of those around you wont be. To avoid confrontation with any individuals, you’ll need to keep your head down, limbs in check, and eyes trained on your exit. The quicker and cleaner you can step away, the better off you’ll be.
      Go With The Flow – Trying to work your way out of a crowd is difficult enough on it’s own, but if you add the threat of a head on collision with another person, you’re only making things worse. While going with the flow of a crowd might initially take you further from your intended destination, it’s likely that you will still escape more quickly and with less injury than butting heads with hundreds of fleeing folks.
      Stay close to walls and other protective barriers like vehicles, telephone poles, etc., and avoid bottlenecks whenever possible. Entering a tunnel, or closed in fenced or walled area, is as good as serving yourself up as fodder for the vultures.
      Don’t Run – Attempting to run through a crowd of people can attract unwanted attention and focus on your position, and perhaps even your escape route. By attempting to move too quickly, you increase the likelihood of stumbling, faltering, or falling, which puts you at a greater risk for injury and even demise.
      Many unfortunate individuals have been crushed to death by the tramping feet of others during a panicked exodus. If you do fall down, you must immediately attempt to regain your footing and continue on your way. But if you simply cannot gain your ground again, curl yourself into a ball, protect your face, ears, and internal organs as best you can, and hope for the best.
      Take Shelter – Once you’re out of the thick of it, it’s important to take shelter till the mob or at least until they thin out enough to make traveling the area safe again. Shelter doesn’t mean standing on the sidelines to watch as a mob or horde flows by, it means indoors and out of sight.
      Remember, out of sight is out of mind. If they can’t see you, it’s less likely that you’ll be bothered.

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    70. Slack says:

      Look
      If only they had taken the time to think…gut reactions and uninformed choices have led to the death of thousands of potential survivors.
      Assuming anything, other than the worst, during a disaster or survival situation can land you in some pretty unpleasant places…including the bottom of a ravine, locked in a basement, etc. But taking the time to evaluate a situation or area before you jump head-first into it, can save you a lot of pain and frustration in the long-run.
      From moving too quickly and leaving important gear and supplies behind, to losing your way, or getting injured; we’ve seen quick and clouded judgments end poorly more than once. “You go that way, I’ll go this way.”, “The place must be empty.”, and “It’s just a scratch.”, are all great examples of simple situations that have gone wrong because no one took the time to really think about what might happen next.
      So always look before you leap, both literally and figuratively… or you’ll never know where you might land next.

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    71. Slack says:

      Look Around

      Whether you’re out on the road or stuck in place during a survival situation or after a major disaster, take the time to fully search your surroundings.
      As long as you take the time to look, most locations can offer up a wide variety of supplies and gear for survival use. Keep your eyes out for for everything from lashing, to cutting tools, containers for water collection, items for weaponry, and more. And don’t just look in obvious places like up a tree for fruit or on a shelf for tools. Check waste bins, dark corners, stream beds, etc.
      There are plenty of stories of would-be survivors so anxious to leave wreckage, find their way out of the wilderness, or just go,they missed a vital piece of equipment like a two-way radio, signal flare, medical kit, or even food and water etc, eventually resulting in or contributing to their death.
      So take a few moments to look around you when you can and snatch up any critical supplies you might find. You never know when it might come in handy and save your life.

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    72. Be informed says:

      @ Brett. Watch the movie “Tomorrow, When The War Began”, this is the future for Australia when China decides that all that arable land, 181,000 square miles, and the rich mineral base is ripe for the pickens. You Australians better consider arming your citizens or you will be herded into corrals just like that movie or you won’t stand a chance. Your country has 22 million people, that means 121 people per square mile of arable land. You bet your country has excess, you can feed many other countries and get a massive surplus of income. Your country is mineral rich with rare Earth minerals, diamonds, tungsten, nickel, uranium, silver, gold, copper, tin, iron ore, coal, natural gas, and some oil. Your country better be living well with that rich base of resources.

      It is unfair to compare Australia riches with other countries that are not blessed with those riches. You can bet that China sees this all too well. Watch that movie and see your future if you don’t arm your citizens. Rounded up, no hassle, no problem for the Chinese.

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      • laura m. says:

        be informed: very well put!

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        • Mama Bear says:

          Brett, I went to graduate school with a scrum of rugby-playing, gap-toothed, raw-knuckled, cigarette-rolling Australians and New Zealanders, and have to agree with you on the fighting prowess of the Australian male, guns or no guns.

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          • Brett says:

            Mama Bear,

            When you live down here surrounded by Asian Billions, with the small numbers of us that there are,you learn and have to be able to fight way above your class! And not be shy about letting anyone know it. So far, it has worked.
            Regards.

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    73. Slack says:

      Avoid
      Disaster and emergency situations often mean the flocking of individuals towards the same goal, escape or refuge. This means that roads, bridges, tunnels, train stations, airports and any other way out of town or to a refuge center will likely be clogged with people vying for that last chance at life.
      Whenever possible, do your best to avoid potential hordes and overcrowded areas and streets. From being trampled, lost, separated from family or friends or worse, getting caught in the middle of things can mean dire consequences for anyone caught up on a horde. Imagine running from a ravenous rabies infected dog while you’re wrapped up in a sleeping bag and you’re wearing a blindfold… that’s just about as much good as you’ll be when you’re truly trapped in a crowd, and that’s BEFORE panic breaks out.
      As the numbers in a crowd build so do the chances of mishaps, panic, accidents and viral outbreaks. Always be on the lookout and avoid large masses whenever possible.

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    74. Be informed says:

      @ Brett. I am someone that absolutely cannot stand skewed averages. When I predict earthquakes I never skew the numbers because this ultimately destroy the ability to forecast quakes accurately. Many gun deaths in this country are from gangs that shoot each other. This is not shown in those statistics. Another issue is the suicide rates of firearms. A person that is going to decide to die will use other means such as pills, jumping, hanging, etc. Suicide is not as easy using guns as people think it is, and should not be tallied in these figures.

      The U.S. is 15 times as large as Australia and in comparison to gun deaths there is more, even when you take out gang murders and suicides. However it should be understood that Australia and many other countries such as England are islands or enclaves within themselves and illegal gun running is a huge issue in this country from Mexico and Central America. Disarming the population would not work and only leave people helpless because the criminals are still going to get the weapons no matter what. I actually fear a true weapon of mass destruction coming up from the porous Mexico border. Gun control here is suicide for the regular citizen.

      What you say about recover from robbery, assault is sort of true, but hardly rape. A woman raped by some disease ridden pervert is death if that maniac had AIDS for example. Rape also is not recoverable spiritually for most women.

      England is a nightmare police state. To take away pepper spray that saves more people from vicous dog attacks shows where England is coming from. George Orwell horror novel.

      Again, I pose this question. How many lives have been saved from people that have had self defense that is not put into figures? Australia and New Zealand are islands and can control illegal gun running, not to say that firearms should ever be outlawed in either country. Here the porous 1500 miles of southern border allows the criminals to get the illegal firearms. What are Americans suppose to do when they can’t defend themselves?

      Again, I bring up that Australia is rich in what China needs. Without a well armed citizen militia to protect Australia, the Chinese can literally walk into Australia and herd up everyone just like the movie I said. Believe me China is looking at Australia like a kid looking in the wondow at a candy store.

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      • -And then the Aussies will be begging the American men to come and bail them out.

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        • Within the last two weeks, my 3rd from oldest grandson signed up with the marines. He graduates from high school in June. Goes to basic training in July. He is going in as a marine chopper crew chief. So Brett, perhaps some day my flesh and blood will be coming to save your sorry ass.

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            • Archivist says:

              There were so few Australians (only 17,000) in Korea, that if they hadn’t been there, no one would have noticed.

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              • Brett says:

                That’s what you think.But not what you know.I’m sure those 17,000 brave men noticed and would tell you otherwise.
                And show some respect.
                Anyone who makes the call to fight for their country deserves it.

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        • The only people in our country who can address the societal issues are the politicians. They absolutely won’t do it because they lust for the vote. They want to be re-elected and will not offend those on multi-generational public assistance. Our politicians will not listen to what we say. It is totally useless. The middle class, in my opinion, is what is holding the world together at this time, other than God. As far as China invading your country, I personally don’t think that they would give you much warning about their intentions. How long would it take the USA to arm your countrymen? As far as nuking your country, I don’t think they would want your agriculture land and other assets contaminated. Guess it will just be a simple troop invasion. That keeps the infrastructure in better shape. I suspect that you may be easy pickings. You need more of that &#