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    US Government Proposes Law Making It Illegal For Them to Kill You

    Simon Black
    August 9th, 2012
    Sovereign Man
    Comments (115)
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    Last Friday, US Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced HR 6357, a bill which aims to ‘prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens’ by the federal government. In other words, in the Land of the Free, they need to pass a law to prevent the government from indiscriminately murdering its own citizens.

    Now if this doesn’t give one reason to pause and consider the distortions of liberty that have taken place in western civilization, I don’t know what will. Think about it:

    Does a free society send government hit men to eliminate anyone they perceive to be an enemy of the state?

    Does a free society have hundreds of police agencies, each with the authority to deprive a man of his life, liberty and property in their sole discretion?

    Does a free society have hundreds of thousands of laws, codes, rules, regulations, and policies which effectively criminalize nearly every aspect of one’s existence?

    Does a free society lead the world in prison population?

    Does a free society hunt down criminals and terrorists by treating its citizens like criminals and terrorists?

    Does a free society tell its citizens what foods they are / are not allowed to consume?

    Does a free society steal your money at gunpoint to buy bombs that they drop by remote control on brown people in faraway lands?

    Does a free society debase its currency and plunder the purchasing power of its citizens?

    Does a free society saddle unborn generations with obligations they never signed up to bear?

    Does a free society award near total control of the economy, the money supply, and everything tied to it, to a tiny elite few?

    Does a free society brainwash its citizens into believing that they live in a free society? (at least the Chinese know they’re not free…)

    Ask yourself, are you really living in a free society? Are you free? If not, why not? What else could possibly be more important?

    It takes courage to answer honestly. But once you realize the truth and begin to see the system for what it is, it can be a liberating and life-changing experience.

    You’ll find that there are places where you can live free in this world. There are ways to preserve your dignity, your privacy, your livelihood. You’ll find that you can build great camaraderie and mutual trust with like-minded souls because you share the same values, not the same color passport.

    My guess is that you’re reading this because you’ve already started down the road to freedom. But you might feel alone… intellectually isolated in a sea of automatons.

    You’re not alone. More and more people are waking up every day and beginning to realize the incredible fraud that has been perpetrated against them. When enough of them figure it out, this system will be finished.

    That’s why I fundamentally believe that today is one of the most exciting times to be alive since the French Revolution. And we’re just getting warmed up.

    If you have any friends or loved ones who still exemplify that self-deluded, bombastic serf mentality, I encourage you to pass this along to them… and challenge them to answer honestly.

    More to follow.

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    Author: Simon Black
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    Date: August 9th, 2012
    Website: http://www.sovereignman.com

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    1. eppe says:

      Yeah, sure

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      • Gods Creation says:

        “””Does a free society send government hit men to eliminate anyone they perceive to be an enemy of the state?”””

        The gov corp is NOT the state. The People as a collective form the state on the designated land mass.

        The gov corp is an enemy of the state engaged in active and open war on it (the people) through commercial fraud and more recently physical violence or the threat of it during the exercise of Natural Rights.

        It can not pass any Law for the state, even one that supposedly stops it from committing crimes against it’s victims in the states.

        You are the state, not the gov corp. It may call itself the State of Whatever, but it is still just a corporation established and funded through fraud.

        You are the King of your world. When enough people start to act that way the corp will disappear for lack of victims to abuse.

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        • KY Mom says:

          “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”
          Thomas Jefferson

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          • You’re on the right track, but it actually goes like this:

            “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” -Thomas Jefferson

            Another excellent observation is this one:

            “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

            Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787)

            We should heed the warnings of our founding fathers. Having survived through tyranny and oppression, they could smell a tyrant from miles away. America is no longer the land of the free, home of the brave. No, America has become the land of the fee and home of the slave.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            BOTH quotes are correct. Jefferson said both.

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          • KY Mom says:

            JoeRepublic,

            You are correct. I knew there was a quote on that topic. I couldn’t remember the exact words. I searched online and that is what was found.

            They have changed his words!

            Do you know a good book about Thomas Jefferson?

            Thank you!
            KY Mom

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          • Well said JoeRepublic!

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          • This is one of my favorite Jefferson resources. The man was a prolific writer and he probably wrote more than most people can read through.

            http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jefferson-library-reference

            You’ll find a lot of links to everything Jeffersonian.

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          • cannuck21 says:

            So true…..

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        • DRD5508 says:

          Mac, you deserve a loud applause. You’ve presented something unique: “And we’re just getting warmed up.”
          Which is both encouraging and also answers your questions. Can a free society be just getting warmed up? That is the beginning of freedom: the truth shall make you free.
          There are a lot of suicides (pandamic) in the military and an unusually high amount of PTSDs. Why? As a society, the majority have never had to face evil head on. Can a free society co-exist with evil? No. Yet they try thru compromise; think Hitler.
          As more people are waking up thru efforts of people like yourself; we are ‘just getting warmed up’. Remember, darkness can’t over come light. If the light goes out (our freedom), then darkness has won.
          Stay free and in His grace.

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          • JayJay says:

            ~~~There are a lot of suicides (pandamic) in the military and an unusually high amount of PTSDs. Why?~~~

            I think the # of suicides of military personnel is far more sinister than mankind unable to face evil head on.
            JMO.

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          • $ cocopuff crackhead $ says:

            u.s. military majority of suicides are chemically induced by the chemical cocktail of POISONED BASE FOODS FLOURIDATED BASE WATER military shots and psych-tropic drugs given to military members to make them better serving dumbed-down military killing drones . the veterans administration continues to give the same terminator drugs and eugenics shots to the ex military members VETERANS to help speed up their natural deaths – shorten their life spans ; reason … saves $$$ money on long term fedgov care of veterans .

            i know cause i lived it , survived it .

            IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN VETERAN I ENCOURAGE YOU TOO GO “STRAIGHT-EDGE” NO DRUGS NO ALCOHOL ONLY NON-GMO NATURAL FOODS AND FILTERED NON-FLOURIDE WATER JUICED LIQUIDS INTAKE INTO YOUR BODY FOR 60 DAYS !!! YOU WILL SEE A MASSIVE INCREASE IN CLEAR THINKING AND PHYSICAL ABILITIES .

            IF YOU FEEL DEPRESSED SUICIDAL CHANGE YOUR ENVIRONMENT GET CLEAN BREAK FREE OF CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY .

            GO STRAIGHT-EDGE BECOME A PURE WARRIOR !

            PURE OF BODY PURE OF MIND !

            IT DOES WORK IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE !

            IT’S NEVER TO LATE TO DO IT !

            ~N.O.

            P.S. :

            V.A. = EUGENICS FEDGOV DEATH

            THE V.A. IS WHERE VETERANS GO TO DIE !

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        • Gregory8 says:

          Gods Creation: You are correct and it has been going on ever since Jefferson sent the Marines and Navy to defend “Private Shipping” against pirates off of the Barbary Coast. The whole point of Private Enterprise (PE) is that one takes risks and either takes its losses or reaps its rewards, without either government help or interference. When the government comes in and games the system it’s no longer just P.E. When Jefferson saved shipping in that area did the American people receive just compensation for its contibution to their success-NO! That was the beginning of the corporatocracy that has been burrowing its way into every corner of government since and has turned it into an arm of PE/Big Business. Our military and State Department are insturments of agression for PE/BB. Read USMC BGen. S. Butler’s book “War Is A Racket”. The General served for 33 years and is a double recipeint of the Congressional Medal of Honor, so he knows what he’s talking about. In his book he talks about companies that no longer exist, but others have since taken their place. It’s the same game, just the names have changed. And until Big Business dies out, we will be living by their rules. Just remember “he who has the money makes the rules”, and it’s sure not you or me!

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      • KY Mom says:

        We live in the ‘land of the free’ … yet, they need to pass a law to “prevent our government from indiscriminately murdering its own citizens.”

        Scary, because that means the government believes they have ‘the right’ to murder any citizens they put on their ‘hit list’.

        So sad that as a country we are at this point.

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        • Gods Creation says:

          “”Scary, because that means the government believes they have ‘the right’ to murder any citizens they put on their ‘hit list’. “”

          It’s scary because there are people who believe that and will kill any Man for a paycheck and protection from liability.

          It is about time to establish street courts of the people, where hundreds of them gather to put these corp agents on trial by jury under the Law.

          The Constitution allows the government to do certain things. It does not prohibit the People from doing the same things for themselves. The gov corp can establish courts, and so can the people.

          It’s time to bring the criminals into the public square and out from behind their “protections” for violations of the Law.

          Give them a Trial by Jury, then make them pay the price RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

          How to do it? If you are ever asked to go to a court by an officer, tell them that the private venue is not satisfactory and if they want to hear the case they are to meet you in the public square at the time YOU choose. Notify the “press” of the proceedings to occur.

          The People can win, but only if the criminals are prosecuted in the light of day in a public setting.

          Just an idea.

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        • jimbo says:

          especially when Obama in his first year put the word out that vets and disabled vets, people talking about small government, less taxes, constitution and 2nd amendment could be domestic terrorists. i fill all those categories so i do not feel too secure and free right now. it all comes down to who is the president as to who is in danger. the ndaa bill is unconstitutional and should not be a valid law.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            “””it all comes down to who is the president as to who is in danger.”””

            The president is just a puppet putting on a show for the masses. We are all in danger from those who pull the puppets strings.

            I am the President of my life. I do not recognize Obaaaammmmaaa as a legitimate being, either corporate or as a Man.

            The president of the corp is merely a tool in the hands of evil.

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      • Reread the first half of the article. It reads a lot like a modern day version of the Declaration of Independance!

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    2. AaronR says:

      I can see the logic of this law though… Think what this will do to Obama’s Death Panel.

      Wait! How can someone who wins the Noble Peace Prize, pre-election, have a Death Panel? Shouldnt he have to give that back???

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      • Gods Creation says:

        He can keep it because it is a bankster award given to those who support the bankster ideals.

        Anyone who receives one hereafter, can either return it or show their true colors. Bankster awards are merely a means of identifying our enemies specifically.

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      • JayJay says:

        The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his EXTRAORDIANRY efforts to strengthen INTERNATIONAL diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

        Hmmmm…notice the word ‘international’..not domestic or national.

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    3. Walt Kowalski says:

      As stupid as TPTB are, even if the law were passed, they’d find some way to get it declared unconstitutional.

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    4. Prepared Pastor says:

      We stopped being free when the Social Security Act was passed in 1935. The seed of dependence reaps a harvest of bondage.
      From bondage to spiritual faith;
      · From spiritual faith to great courage;
      · From courage to liberty;
      · From liberty to abundance;
      · From abundance to complacency;
      · From complacency to apathy;
      · From apathy to dependence;
      · From dependence back into bondage.”

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      • Gods Creation says:

        Yes Pastor, and we are very near to a restart on that road map of history. The faith is not apparent, but will show itself when those whose faith is in the corp have been exterminated by it.

        What remains will be a relative few people with strong spirits and a desire to enforce the conditions of their own liberty.

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      • Arkaden says:

        SS act was the start, and the snowball keeps growing with welfare programs today. I sit in awe at people who still don’t recognize it.

        I tried to determine where we are in your path and I’m pretty sure we’re here:

        “From apathy to dependence;”

        Perhaps the scariest part is we’re at the end of that line and taking a solid foothold into:

        “From dependence back into bondage.”

        I often think how different my life would be if I knew 20 years ago what I recognize as problems today.

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    5. Anonymous says:

      So let me get this straight. We need a bill from a congress that’s irrelevant to keep our government from killing us? When did it ever become legal for them to kill its own citizens in the first place? Yup, this is 1984.

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    6. Not Simon says:

      Mac,
      Don’t you think you should have attributed this article (since it’s a word-for-word copy) to the person who actually wrote it – Simon Black over at sovereignman.com?

      It’s a good, thought-provoking article but it’s disingenuous to post it as your own.

      P.S. I am not Simon, but I do read his stuff and saw this over there a few days before your post.

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      • The article was flagged incorrectly with my name as the author. it is, as you note, a reprint of Simon Black’s article originally published at Sovereign Man. i have updated the article to reflect this information. I apologize for any confusion.

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    7. NavyVet says:

      Mac, where in this bill does it state that this bill is intended to ‘prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens’? I’m looking at the bill, and can not yet find it. A little help?

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      • Anon666 says:

        Navy Vet,

        The text isn’t yet made public. So who are you reading it? Don’t be confused by the HR name and #. There have been several named the same bill # since 1977.

        Here’s what the Library of Congress is saying:

        H.R.6357
        Latest Title: To prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens, and for other purposes.

        Latest Major Action: 8/3/2012 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Intelligence (Permanent Select), and in addition to the Committees on the Judiciary, and Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.

        ALL ACTIONS:

        8/3/2012:
        Referred to the Committee on Intelligence (Permanent Select), and in addition to the Committees on the Judiciary, and Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
        8/3/2012:
        Referred to House Intelligence (Permanent Select)
        8/3/2012:
        Referred to House Judiciary
        8/3/2012:
        Referred to House Armed Services

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    8. Our founders would be rolling over and over in their graves seeing America today.

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      • copperhead says:

        Jim: Thats what is causing all the EARTH QUAKES!

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      • KY Mom says:

        Oregon Man Begins Serving 30 Day Sentence For ‘Rainwater Theft’

        Man Sentenced to 30 Days for Catching Rain Water on Own Property Enters Jail

        (cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail)

        posted on Drudge Report

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          • JayJay says:

            Harrington was found guilty two weeks ago of breaking a 1925 law for having, what state water managers called “three illegal reservoirs” on his property. He was convicted of nine misdemeanors, sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined over $1500 for collecting rainwater and snow runoff on his property.

            (cnsnews.com/news/article/man-sentenced-30-days-catching-rain-water-own-property-enters-jail)

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        • I saw this story a few weeks back, but the guy catching rain water was using it to create ponds, one with a dock, boat, etc. How would you feel if you were down stream from him and had some of those water rights? If he’d had gone smaller and for personal use this wouldn’t have happened.

          On the other hand putting him in jail is pathetic. They could have just ordered their problem with his dams and ponds fixed and been done with it.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            On his land, he is King. Too bad he doesn’t really own it.

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          • kerb says:

            The guy isn’t diverting water from any stream as I understand it, he is capturing rain water.

            If that’s true, then this is a gross abuse of government power. Yet it will stand, because people just can’t be bothered to care, unless it affects them. Or they’d like to do something but just don’t know where to start (me!).

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        • Barister says:

          Plagerism = An act or instance of “using” or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author’s work as one’s own, as by not crediting the original author. Can you be more original for once madam ?

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    9. copperhead says:

      I see it like this. More people are waking up to the B S thats going on, and TPTB are running a little scared now. So guess what, the move to get the NWO is kicking into HIGH GEAR from now on. No holds will be bared, they will use anything they can. Alot of people think it is going to happen slowly, I for one do not think so. The more people see what is really happening the more the TPTB will have to deal with strongly, that takes more resorces from them and they don’t like that. So a lot is going to happen to this country this fall. We are truely the last bunch of FREE PEOPLE on earth, we have to go, so when the U S A goes it is all over they take total control then and only then. Their man is the POTUS and they will keep him there, for you see the longest we have is 4 yrs. if he stays. I fear not that long. Look at where you will make your last stand. Make range cards for all doors, windows. Look at the blind spots you have and think of ways to deal with them. Buy barbed wire and make them channeled into better K zones, away from the blind spots. You all know what to do, use common sense to prep you home for the HARD TIMES COMING make them work at getting to YOU. You are protecting you and your love ones lives period. Get out of the corps banks, Wal-Street, etc, if you stay you loose. Do not trust anyone that is not known. Buy ammo now, soon it will be a thing of the past, because you will not be able to afford it. If we make it to 2013 we are ahead of the game. And if I’m wrong I LIKE MY CROW BOILED WITH FEATHERS ON! To many pressure points ready to pop for it to last very much longer. but thats just me thinking out loud.
      PREP AND LIVE FREE– SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE

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    10. moman says:

      What good is passing another law that our govermental officials ignore.They don’t act as if the constitution means anything to them anyway.The american people are beyond being pissed off and a great storm is coming.

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    11. AnonLegion says:

      and justice for all by metallica (1988)

      “…And Justice For All”

      Halls of Justice Painted Green
      Money Talking
      Power Wolves Beset Your Door
      Hear Them Stalking
      Soon You’ll Please Their Appetite
      They Devour
      Hammer of Justice Crushes You
      Overpower

      The Ultimate in Vanity
      Exploiting Their Supremacy
      I Can’t Believe the Things You Say
      I Can’t Believe
      I Can’t Believe the Price You Pay
      Nothing Can Save You

      Justice Is Lost
      Justice Is Raped
      Justice Is Gone
      Pulling Your Strings
      Justice Is Done
      Seeking No Truth
      Winning Is All
      Find it So Grim
      So True
      So Real

      and our moms used to say metal was the devils music eh? ever wonder why the gov. tried to fry the metal music industry and say they were all satanist controlling our kids?

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    12. Stan522 says:

      If true, do we need more proof from all the preparations our government has been doing and it’s leading up to what?

      Plastic FEMA caskets in the United States:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPioG_4_XEc

      DHS orders 450 million rounds of 40 cal bullets:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiSngmhhiNA

      Internment camps all over the United States being built:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

      Military Job Available Video – Internment Camp Specialist:
      http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/09/military-job-video-internment-specialist-concentration-camp-guards-usa-131811/

      Martial Law by Executive Order:
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-garrison/martial-law-under-another_b_1370819.html

      The NDAA bill gets signed for indefinite internment of US citizens:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2r1JSR8EC8

      Want Proof Foreign troops are here now?! Watch.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTMq0C0OKNg

      THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT FEMA CAMPS
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBzdhI1JDL0

      So now we have a prominent politician compelled to propose absurd (in any other time)legislation to make it illegal for our government to kill us…… pathetic.

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      • KY Mom says:

        Stan522,

        You summed it up nicely. :)

        I relly don’t understand why more people don’t see what is happening and prepare themselves for the rough times ahead.

        Take care!
        KY Mom

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        • VanMom says:

          I recently asked a good friend what she saw/thought about drought and food prices, economy of our state, US, and global events.

          The long and short of it is that there is SO much to do, that Friend can not possibly take care of it and she gives up. I said, Don’t you think something is better than nothing? Eh, I just don’t know was her reply.

          Friend fits in with the majority, but it is still frustrating!

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    13. VRF says:

      Brought up before about the 3D printers capabilities..
      well here it is

      An AR-15 made with a 3D printer
      link below

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      • AnonLegion says:

        knew it wouldn’t be too long work in the auto industry, was at a meeting where they used one to make a little car the doors open’d hood trunk it was rather cool.

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      • The 3D printer phenom is going to be great. I can’t wait to cast a 1911 frame via a 3 printer. The anti gun nuts are going to have a fit when they learn what we can do and what they can’t regulate!

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      • DRD5508 says:

        Did you freely print your comment? Or was that an illusion? Going down fighting is far greater than surrender and slavery.
        In the middle east, the arabs can loose 25 soldiers to kill one and they call that a victory. Many of us here will take out more than one or two.

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        • Rick:) says:

          Not meant in any way to be rude or crude. But I was thinking, “We’ll never see a Jew being lead away to a camp,ever”. Anyone who studies history, and has seen a photo of a concentration camp, and then willingly goes along with a roundup, well you should have learned a little history.
          Anybody reading this, that doesn’t know, I suggest you do a little “research”.
          Having never been tested, I pray I have the kahunas when the time comes.

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      • Heretic says:

        Well, better dead than red. I’ll take a few scumbags with me.

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      • HalfKin says:

        I could use a second job,
        SideShow, would you please tell me how I too, can become a paid Troll on line?

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      • yental says:

        Chronically amazed that asswipe trolls like “sideshow” that actually believe their “slobber” is going to dampen the resolve of those whom have already “drawn-a-line-in-the-sand…and will allow NO-ONE to cross it. The irrelevance of your “comment” is a fine example of the desperation TPTB are waking-up-to. Your “paymasters” are about to be your “assmasters”. Got plenty of KY?

        I hope not. Of course, a 30.06 up your butt is going to BURN, KY or not. Time is very short, and “we the people” don’t have the time/patience for SIDESHOWS!

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      • Highspeedloafer says:

        Sideshow, you can remove the dress now.

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    15. Marine4 life says:

      Well thats might fuckin nice of them

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    16. Slick says:

      Briliant artical, Mac !
      This one is getting forwarded to some fence sitters,
      And a couple of liberals that claim far more wisdom than they posses.

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    17. VRF says:

      pretty bad when we need a law to keep our employees from killing us..oh yeah thats right they believe we are beneath them,and we are their subjects, so that would be ok in the minds of psycopaths.

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    18. the realist says:

      ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE MAN.. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL AS PER THE BIBLE..

      WHEN ARE WE GOING TO COME TO THE REALIZATION THAT WE OUT NUMBER ALL WHOM ARE PLOTTING AGAINST US!!!

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    19. Tn sleeper says:

      Ok so here’s the more important question – what happens if it does not pass? Then the door is wide open and(in their eyes) legal.

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    20. Daisy says:

      Man, I just wanna be able to weed my tomatoes without looking up at the sky for drones or chemtrails, either of which are bound to kill me eventually.

      I really don’t TRY to be difficult – but those of us who just want to be left to go about our business with neither assistance nor input – well, we are wearing target t-shirts.

      It is simply surreal that this law was necessary.

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      • Arkaden says:

        Great comment.

        “I really don’t TRY to be difficult – but those of us who just want to be left to go about our business with neither assistance nor input – well, we are wearing target t-shirts.”

        I never really thought of it this way and that’s why I point it out. There are those that protest, scream shout and cause problems (even though they may be right) but then there are a good many of us that just want to be left alone and live life. It’s almost as if if you’re NOT on assistance, you’re doing something wrong. I’m picturing a checkpoint where instead of an ID card they say show me your EBT card. If you don’t have one, why don’t you?!

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        • MXLord327 says:

          Just ask Randy Weaver…..

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          • mountain man 6-1 says:

            @VanMom-Tell me about it! A jar of mayo in the local grocery store was $5.35 and I had a coupon for .70 off! I thought ‘I don’t need it that bad! I’ve just started to really think about prepping ,but at those price’s,I quit,I GIVE UP!Hopefully I might survive with my guns & hunting knowledge!??

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    21. edward says:

      I saw this elsewhere yesterday and could not prove its validity. On my computer hr 6357 keeps coming up as a public health bill from 2008. can someone help me with this? kucinich’s website had nothing as well…..but that was yesterday. thanks

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    22. Be informed says:

      This is kind of like passing a law to preserve a law. In other words the law and the constitution are so open to interpretation and being hacked apart, that someone has to pass a law to override what is already there. I am not into absoluteness of any law, but come on, a law to prevent the government from acting like Assad or Hussein. This truly shows how really screwed up everything is. It is almost like passing a law that says the government cannot violate the bill of rights. Is the system so watered down that even the most basic of basics has to be further weighed down with more laws that mean the same?

      This is truly paralleling the Roman Empire in the very last days about 1700 years ago. You would think that humans would have learned and not to follow what primitives that basically had nothing, fatally make the mistake that cost an empire. You would think that after all the failures of civilization after another that humans would figure out something better that works. You would think time after time after time with the elitists hanging from trees or lampposts or at the bottom of a guillotine that they would not follow in the same pattern that their ancestors had mistakenly undertaken.

      You would think that no matter what that the human masses would never follow the elitists and governments that are or become no longer governed by the people. You would think that people would have learned that every single last outcome of a civilization in the last death throes means war. You would think that people would have figured out what a true global war means, nuclear holocaust.

      You know what, Thank you God that I and almost everyone on this site are not sheep that are too lazy and too unwilling to think for themselves like the rest of the majority. Thankfully we are all still allowed to express ourselves without some government censor blackening out alamost everything we say. The way things are going we may soon not have that liberty.

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    23. Arby says:

      Could someone tell me please where are the “Places to live Free in this world”? As mentioned in the article.

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    24. Goldnguns says:

      Mac
      Good questions about “freedom”. But as bad as we are, we are better off than 90+ percent of the world. Travel the globe and you will see some true tyranny at the sovereign level. And from some of the most “enlightened” countries. Part of our “freedom curse” is that we have opened the doors to all without regard to thoughts of integration into a cohesive unit with each part and parcel respecting the “freedoms” of others not. like. them. So we have the “rich” 1%. Yet nothing stopped any shtf reader from going to school, majoring in banking business, and working their way up to a 1% slot. Nothing caused them to stop playing baseball and giving up on career in sports, or coaching, or even broadcasting. We still have legions around the world clamoring to come here for the opportunities that they don’t have in their home country (and admittedly some of that opportunity might be spelled WELFARE). But we don’t have legions struggling to get OUT. Yet. As Ben Franklin said “your freedom ends where my nose begins” and freedom IS a good thing until your neighbor disregards the zoning laws and piles trash on your property boundary line, or his numerous dogs bark incessantly thru the night, or the single gas station in town is “Free” to charge whatever it wants for a gallon of gas and you need gas. NOW. to get to the hospital, or the sicko down the street shows sick images to your kids. You get the point. And guess what – ALL of those are “FREEDOMS” in certain cultures.

      I lost a lot of good friends over the years in “defending the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic”. And honestly, the domestic ones always concerned us most – because they were behind our backs supposedly supporting us but in reality using our blood to further their own agenda. Nothing much has changed. cancer eats away from within, and we are almost at the terminal stage.

      Keep fightin’ to enlighten!!!!

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    25. edward says:

      Ok, may have it here. HR 6010 Jul.30,2010. H.R. 6010 (111th): To prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens, and for other …

      reintroduced Aug 03,2012. according to govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6357 Can bill numbers be used more than once? i guess so, thanks again.

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      • JayJay says:

        H.R. 6010 (111th): To prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens, and for other purposes

        Excerpt:

        the participation in, or planning of activities, by the United States Government that result in the extrajudicial killing of a United States citizen undermines the rule of law and the moral standing of the United States in the world;

        (3) the United States and other responsible nations have a vital interest in upholding the rule of law;

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      • Anon666 says:

        Great job edward! Kudos!

        JayJay,
        So is the wording “international” or “foreign nations” in nature like some of the other ‘laws’ out there? Is there any mention of within the CONUS? I am going to read it in its entirety when I have time as well.

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    26. (Blank Space) says:

      There are all sorts of ways to kill a person, just ask Uncle Joe Stalin, the Party in China, or Pol Pot.
      Starve them, refuse them health care, destroy their business or the way that they make a living. Jack up the taxes on their homes so they freeze to death in the winter. Work them to death in a government camp. Break their will so they do it themself.

      The Romans had some interesting ways too, but I guess crosses are just too symbolic to use. Can I get an amen?

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    27. Buro says:

      As was once put by Tacitus: CORRUPTISIMA RE PUBLICA PLURIMAE LEGES – The most corrupt state has the most laws.
      Nuff Said

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    28. AKFive says:

      Does this mean they can keep citizens indefinitely in prison camps. Up holding non lethal torture techniques? Wouldn’t surprise me.

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    29. Zoltanne says:

      A few of the (I) and (D) House Members are a bit nervous about Obama’s Kill List. And a few of them have voiced concern and objection to the execution of American-born radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki. Does this Bill go far enough to protect a Presidential Order to deliberately murder/execute someone like al-Awlaki or is all bound together with a few of those infamous loopholes to do little more than Legislative theatre?

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    30. JayJay says:

      For Ky MOM:

      “Do It Yourself Obama Ballot ChallengeOpens Another Case in Kentucky”

      thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/

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    31. T.R. says:

      Interesting thing about the French Revolution …….it was started by mobs of angry women .

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    32. $ cocopuff crackhead $ says:

      I predict a new pandemic sweeping ameriKa soon – KILLING for some strange reason only corrupt ameriKan judges , gestapo ameriKan police , thievin congress critters , bribed senators , viper bankers and their staff of NWO ZIONIST FASCIST henchmen – All will suddenly abruptly become infected – die from A PANDEMIC of LEAD POISONING !!!

      ~N.O.

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    33. “Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

      ~ Winston Churchill

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    34. barney ledford says:

      the only one who will stand and overcome the overlords is spoken of in acts3:22-23.the evil has become so intense his coming will be very soon.he will be to the world powers what moses was to pharaoh.their wepons will be useless.peace

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    35. Ohevi says:

      Yea! And its all blah blah blah blah blah, and then i see more blah blah blah blah, and again its always the same old blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, im so brain dead reading all these words, and more words and more people writing more words, but nothing seems to be happening… Dont get me wrong, i dont want to see anyone getting hurt, but what will it take? Im sick and tired, of being sick and tired! I am embarrassed at how our country has deteriorated in this way, what will it take? Where is our great leaders of this generation? Not in politics, we all know that for certain!

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    36. JoeinNC says:

      Kucinich is considered to be one of the most liberal members of congress. Despite the denigration of libs I see here, maybe they are not so bad after all.

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    37. Iowa says:

      The WORD is ALIVE.

      At least in the Bible, you had a trial before they murdered you. Have you read Revelations?

      Testify.

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    38. T.R. says:

      They want that law so they can kill you with the slow death called Communism .

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    39. iixsive says:

      slightly off topic, but relevant i think

      directed to SHTF WEB MASTER

      can you post a chart of web site views over the past, say 10 years or so
      I am curious as to how few or many we are

      just a thought

      THE wATCHER

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      • Thanks for the post… Yes, I have been trying to find a system to integrate with Google Analytics…unfortunately nothing of any decent reporting has been made available by Google or third-parties.

        For now, the “Readers” count at the top of the article is all we have.

        In the last 30 days we’ve had 850,000 web site visits with nearly 1.5 million page views, so, to answer your questions…. WE ARE MANY.

        Thanks for being part of the movement everyone!

        Mac

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        • iixsive says:

          thank you for the numbers, they are good to know

          Sadly However, out of 330,000,000 or so here in the former USA
          we are still only a fraction of a percentile

          it would be reassuring to see that number over 50% even over 1% would be reassuring

          It makes me think… maybe we are the 1% after all

          just pondering… if the majority of the country is asleep or indifferent, what chance do we have

          that is where the pilgrims stood, and they had somewhere to go. through adversity and tribulation, they persevered to find a new home where they could be free and the Scum followed them anyway
          and in the end we find ourselves in the same situation all over again.

          As the clock on the wall ticks away the days of our existence…

          “We run and we run to catch up with the sun, racing around to come up behind us again, shorter of breath and one day closer to death”…
          Pink Floyd,

          its very discouraging, and seems futile to fight and resist, but really, that is all i know.

          I will never fight for, nor defend a Lie.
          those who do, condemn themselves to slavery

          Thank You for all you are doing to bring the relevant information to Us, making it available
          there are many Web sites we can go to to see the truth and decide for ourselves what to believe

          yours is one of the best I have seen. One I monitor regularly

          Keep up the good work

          THE wATCHER

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      • VA farm girl says:

        iixsive. I’ve been reading articles and posts up here since last year, but hadn’t posted. I’ve been a prepper for several years now. There are A LOT of people in my my area including neighbours who are also preparing for what’s coming. I think there is a lot more of us out there than we realise, just that not every one talks.

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    40. Prepping Preacher says:

      is it any wonder why there are so many “conspiracy” theories today..?? no one knows what truth is until something like this comes along that threatens to shake even the dead from their eternal slumber… the flip side is this: since this, and many administrations before, have chosen NOT TO ENFORCE already existing laws, what makes anyone think that this piece of genious would be any different..??

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    41. Iixsive says:

      Farm girl and preacher
      Yes many of us are silent, I was one for a very long time
      For many reasons, we remained silent and out of sight

      I now believe, that may have been a mistake

      For those of us, and that Includes myself, who have been quietly
      wATCHING these events unfold.

      To quote a great leader, ” The time has come, for all good men to come to the aid of their country”

      Our brothers and sisters are screaming out for freedom and liberty, the rulers of our world are corrupt and evil, they will stop at nothing to enslave us all.

      We can no longer be silent, we must be the loudest voice, we must drown out the lies with truth

      “look for the truth, no matter where it lies”
      Metallica

      Without truth
      We are lost
      If we fight for a lie, we believe to be the truth, We fail…

      Question authority

      It is our duty….

      THE wATCHER

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    42. Not Sure says:

      “A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”
      Thomas Jefferson

      The problem at this point is the government isn’t afraid of it’s citizens even though we have guns because they know we won’t use them. We have been neutered hey have already codified away our freedoms through a technique that I call “incrementalism”. A slow erosion of rights and freedoms through legislation and decree over a long period of time and by the use of false flags and out-and-out lies. Implied in the questions you have asked is the fact that those freedoms are, in fact, gone and no one has fired a single shot. And guess what, we’re not getting them back without a serious fight or an outright overthrow. Who here is willing to do what is necessary to retrieve those freedoms? Who here is willing to give up what little they have to gain back the country built on freedom for their children? Who here is truly a patriot and not just a self-serving survivalist?

      It’s time to stop cowering behind a keyboard waiting for the knock on the door.

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    43. Freespeechzone says:

      The assault is on ALL who, under ‘forced acceptance’ of all the beliefs of Obama & his minions to destroy all who believe in the BEST of what America is.

      The complacency for over 40 years has brought us to this point in history–frankly, the MAJORITY have some hard decisions to make: comply & be destroyed or fight to regain liberties for not just our Posterity, but for ALL.

      The Sacrifice will be GREAT; WHERE do YOU stand?

      Our Forefathers are watching.

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