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    This New Piece Of Legislation Could Demolish State Gun Control Laws Across The Country

    Mac Slavo
    August 1st, 2017
    SHTFplan.com
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    second-amendment-handgun

    Over the past century there has been one undeniable trend working against gun rights. Put simply, as time goes on, it’s harder for a law abiding citizen to own and use a firearm, largely due to the proliferation of state and federal gun laws. A hundred years ago, one could own pretty much any firearm without restriction, and buy a firearm without even a background check (though of course one argue could that a few of these laws are a good idea). Now it’s a heavily regulated industry.

    And sure, there have been some victories for the Second Amendment. A few decades ago there were only a handful of states where it was fairly easy to attain a concealed carry permit, and even many deeply conservative states didn’t issue these permits at all. Now that situation has completely reversed, and continues to improve. However, when you look at gun rights on a long enough timeline, it’s obvious that the Second Amendment has lost more than it has won, as state and federal laws have chipped away at our rights little by little.

    Fortunately there is a new piece of legislation that could significantly roll back the worst of these laws on the state level, in particular the laws that were put in place under the Obama administration. The Second Amendment Guarantee Act, which was recently proposed by New York Congressman Chris Collins, could prove to be the most significant attack on gun control laws that we’ve seen in generations. According to a press release issued by Collins’ office:

    “This legislation would protect the Second Amendment rights of New Yorkers that were unjustly taken away by Andrew Cuomo,” said Collins. “I am a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and have fought against all efforts to condemn these rights. I stand with the law-abiding citizens of this state that have been outraged by the SAFE Act and voice my commitment to roll back these regulations.”

    SAGA would provide an intimidating bulwark against gun control advocates in blue states. In a nutshell, it would prevent these states from passing restrictive laws that exceed the scope of federal gun laws.

    In the Collins’ bill, States or local governments would not be able to regulate, prohibit, or require registration and licensing (that are any more restrictive under Federal law) for the sale, manufacturing, importation, transfer, possession, or marketing of a rifle or shotgun. Additionally, “rifle or shotgun” includes any part of the weapon including any detachable magazine or ammunition feeding devise and any type of pistol grip or stock design.

    Under this legislation, any current or future laws enacted by a state or political subdivision that exceeds federal law for rifles and shotguns would be void. Should a state violate this law, and a plaintiff goes to court, the court will award the prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney’s fee in addition to any other damages.

    For decades, gun owners living in certain states have had their rights slowly stripped away by legislative bodies that repeatedly passed laws which are in violation of the Second Amendment, and they’ve done so almost completely unopposed. It’s the perfect example of what the Founders hoped to prevent in our society. They feared that the rights of the minority could be taken away by the majority, which is exactly what gun owners in leftists states have had to contend with.

    But if SAGA passes, state governments will no longer be able to bully gun owners with their onerous and unconstitutional laws. Gun owners will finally have the same right to bear arms in every state of the union.

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    1. john stiner says:

      prevent these states from passing restrictive laws

      Isn’t that what the Bill of Rights is supposed to do?

      • Menzoberranzan says:

        It is our job to ignore these “laws” that infringe and do what it takes to make ourselves ready. Kill to protect this God-given right? Yes, if need be.

        • GrandpaSpeaks says:

          All laws and regulations should be subjected to a Constitutional assessment and those that do not comply must be rescinded. Those that pass receive certification of conformation to Constitutional standards. Call it a Constitutional reaffirmation and so emboldened we may then take on the dark Complex to retake this country. This legislation is a very good start. We will see how far they take this, or rather, let it go. The answer will tell the tale.

          • Paranoid says:

            IMHO if the Dems and Rino’s keep causing Trump trouble on these gun laws he should ask The NRA for a 5,000,000 man armed march on DC. Would be very interesting to see what they tried to do. With the PRES. power to pardon they couldn’t even arrest anyone and wonder if they would even try. Might be interesting for them to finally realize where the power really is.

            • Steve says:

              5 million, eh? Not from here in the North East. I live in a very free, firearm friendly state (NH), and our neighbors to the east and west (VT + Maine) are also firearms friendly! VT, NH, and Maine now all have Constitutional Carry (no permit required for firearms purchase nor for concealed carry). The same can not be said for unfriendly points south; namely, Mass, RI, CT, NY, NJ, ect… So, how are the People from VT, NH, and Maine supposed to get to DC with their firearms. One foot outside these 3 states with your firearms and your off to jail. I’m sure this would apply elsewhere as well. So, never gonna happen.

              • Paranoid says:

                When millions of people start to move, they can do anything they want. Concealed Carry Holders(16.5 million) outnumber the Army 15 to one. (The NRA is 5,000,000) When the riots hit LA the Police didn’t do anything; they didn’t even manage to protect their own parking lot. If Trump calls for help, he will get it. The Cops won’t do a darn thing. When the Bonus marchers went to DC 90 years ago the Cops did nothing. only the Army moved. Trump controls the Army. Whatever the Media says about Trump the public dislikes Congress far more and they know it.

                • Paranoid says:

                  It’s called: “Calling out the Militia” The Constitution knows all about it. It’s why a lot of people hate the public having guns. When the Pres or a Gov does it; there’s not a damn thing the Cops can do unless they want a WAR; and that’s OK.

                • laura ann says:

                  Paranoid: And the cops did nothing during Katrina, except join in with the people stealing from Wal Mart and other stores filmed on TV news wearing their uniforms and loading grocery carts.

              • Jim in Va. says:

                Not enough jails to hold all those going to Washington and most police support the second amendment. They’ll look the other way like they do now with no support from local politicians.

                • CrackSummSkulls says:

                  Article Quotes:

                  “In a Nut Shell?? LMFAO!! How about a Gun Shell 000 Buck right at your Liberal American Hating Commie Face.

                  “Put simply, as time goes on, it’s harder for a law abiding citizen to own and use a firearm, largely due to the proliferation of state and federal gun laws.”

                  No is the Liberal commie ZOGG American Hating Scum that Hates the Constitution and tries to erase our American Heritage, culture and Freedoms and the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. They invent new ways daily to strip all of our liberty to make us their slaves. The deserve 000 Buckshot to their peebrains.

                  I want a Law that says any person in violation of or infringes upon the US Constitution’s Amendments gets locked up for as long as it take them to memorize the entire US Constitution word for word. You get one shot at it once a year to recite it. Let them sit in prison, thinking about their evil crimes against America. Elect me as Pres I will crack sum skulls. Guaranteed!!

              • NJ gun guy says:

                You can transport a firearm through all of the states. Look up Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA).

                Basically, you can transport your firearm (in a case) where ever you need to go. If you are driving from NH to FL, you can, indeed, take your gun with you. You just can’t have it on you, or on your dash, etc…

                • Grumpy G says:

                  Sounds kind of restrictive, if you ask me. In fact, the argument could be made that what you are describing is rather infringing.

                • BlackMoe says:

                  Try transporting it through the country, err, state of Hawaii. That law seems to be null and void there, along with much of anything else supposedly protected by the 2ndA.

                • NJ gun guy: I heard that a gun owner, moving to another state, while carrying all his stuff in a trailer or U Haul truck, Was stopped by the N.J. State Police. For some reason the police searched the trailer (or truck) and found some boxes of hollow point pistol ammo. I believe he was arrested, all his firearms and ammo was confiscated and after trial, was convicted and imprisoned .Is this true? If true, he should have found a way to travel around N.J. to get to his new home state.

              • Warchild Dammit! says:

                Steve,when folks have finally had it those states you mention south of hampster have a lot of armed/frustrated folks.As I work and live in hampster/am a masshole and at times a maniac meet a lot of folks from all parts of New England,was in hampster working when carry passed,a great day but should HAVE always been that way country wide!How many of thos epoor folks in Ct.(constitution state?) actually registered their black rifles,less then 10%,so,while their govt.s may suck don’t write off the folks or # of them that support freedom!

              • joe schmoe says:

                Maybe you missed the part where you put on your big boy pants and live out the GOD given rights left to you by the Constitution. You only have the rights you are willing to FIGHT and yes kill for if that becomes necessary. As the founders knew and asked,”when will we be stronger …..once king George has disarmed us?” 5 million armed march lets these elitist criminal bastards see what awaits them and theirs if they don’t recognize our GOD given rights

              • Angry Old White Guy says:

                Not true Steve, I live in NH too.

                Federal Interstate Transportation laws allow any lawful individual to transport a gun across state lines from a state they can legally own that gun to another state that they legally own said gun as long as it is unloaded, stored in a locked case and placed somewhere in the car that it is not easily accessible.

                Some states vary slightly, but for instance you can drive thru Mass with a gun as long as you don’t stop and get out of your car.

              • Bayou Castine says:

                You should BE there – the fact that you COULD NOT carry should make the point even more dramatic and meaning full.

            • Concerned-Citizen! says:

              And there in lies the problem, how do we get the masses to actually get their lazy fucking asses off the sofa and put the remote down. The fools don’t realize how important this is and there is NO time like the present. Folks, we need real action now.

        • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

          Menzo, Braveheart agrees wholeheartedly. Our rights come from GOD, NOT from any manmade government. They are non-negotiable.

        • Curtis says:

          Obviously Menzoberranzan, you are not serious.

          Why… don’t you infringe me of my rights! I have da second amurment to protect does rights! And you keep on and er infringing, I’ll use muh second on ya!

          Yeah. In your wet-dream. Any day now. Just around the corner.

          They’ll keep infringing on you, and you will do nothing with that 2nd and yer God given rights to use it.

          • Menzoberranzan says:

            I’d love to meet you, curtis.

          • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

            Curtis, underestimating Menzo or anyone else on this forum is not a smart thing to do.

            • Menzoberranzan says:

              BH. I come on here to vent usually, keeps me calm. We gotta love these damn fools that are too stupid to even realize their on the wrong side. They hate their own freedom even. Their thinking is beyond my comprehension and the USA will be better off if they are dead along with the traitors.

              • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

                menzo, I also come here to vent and that’s the ONLY reason I haven’t hurt any of those morons yet. No way I can have any positive feelings about them. They make it clear every day what they really stand for and what they really want to do to us and our nation. I’ll never understand their thinking either, and YES we’ll all be better off once they’re dead.

                • Menzoberranzan says:

                  Yes friend. What these folks also don’t think about is that some of us will fight unwinnable odds and do crazy things to save our families. I’ve lived a good life and know where I’m going. Now 50 years old but I’ve kept my body in great shape and I practice with multiple firearms a few times a week. There’s not a minute goes by that I’m not thinking strategically and most everything I do revolves around defensive and offensive options at home and wherever I travel. I don’t care who they are or what they have, when confronted I’m going to make them instantly regret it. Tic Toc.

        • Concerned-Citizen! says:

          Use and protect these “rights” or they will damn sure go far, far away and that is a damn hard fact!!

      • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

        JS, the Bill Of Rights is what I live by, NOT any BS draconian legislation.

      • Kevin2 says:

        Actually the Bill Of Rights only restricted the Federal Government. The 14th Amendment tied the Bill Of Rights to the States. I have never had an understandable answer why the Second Amendment can get virtually eviscerated in a State or Local but the other Amendments can’t be at that level.

      • skip says:

        Void where prohibited by law! (democrats)

    2. cranerigger says:

      Thanks for another great article, Mac Slavo. Go SAGA! The Constitution, and by extension the Bill of Rights, is to be taken literally. RIGHTS are inherent within an individual – these are not things given by any political entity.

    3. PO'd Patriot says:

      Here in MD we cannot purchase within state mags over 10 rounds. We can own 10, 20 ,30 and 40 rounders however. I just go next door into Delaware and purchase what I want or go on line and have them break the mags down into “repair kits” and I put them back together (60 seconds)and I have what I need. But it would be great if the Feds regs could bust the states balls on bullshit gun laws. I have a Utah handgun permit that allows me to carry in about 30 states (except mine) I could get a MD handgun permit for the business but its all pure bullshit. Every lawbiding person that doesn’t have a felony record ought to be able to possess and carry, period! That way if Billy Badass blocks your path on the street you can show him what it’ll take to get what he wants.

      • I’m in Frederick. Where about’s are you?

      • john stiner says:

        You should carry anyway. How many times have you been searched by the police?

        Me, never.

      • No one who serves within any state’s government or who serves within the federal government has ANY LAWFUL authority over what weapons one can carry, how they carry it, etc. The ONLY authority they have starts when a crime is committed. PERIOD.

        Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution of the Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, second session (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5: “The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”

        Stephen P. Halbrook, “That Every Man Be Armed”, 1984: “In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the “collective” right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of “the people” to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis.”

        Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992: “Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don’t have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.”

        Colin Greenwood, in the study “Firearms Control”, 1972: “No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before.”

        • Nailbanger says:

          Yea, and an interesting point relating to that last part of your post, statistics show that the majority of firearms used to commit crimes are illegally held firearms, meaning the laws do nothing….
          Link coming,

      • Justice says:

        PO’d Patriot, I live in Maryland also and know the heartbreak of the magazine restrictions. I purchased a FN FNX tactical which has a 15 round capacity of 45 ACP and they restricted the 3 mags to 10 rounds. I about cried.

        • PO'd Patriot says:

          Justice you might want to check around the internet see if you can find full capacity mags for it where they’ll send them in the “repair kit/rebuild” form. JoeBobs’ is one who will.

      • Warchild Dammit! says:

        PO,was with you till you went down the law abiding road nonsense/bullshit.First off,end most laws which are dumb and keep real criminals in jail.

        Secondly,need your decoder ring for the 2nd,I saw no where it mentioning “law abiding”,the founders who were terrorists did not as far as I can see have that in there,so,fuck that noise!You let em take a little here/little there,soon,2nd is gone!Swat the camel on the nose the minute it sticks it’s head under the tent!

        Finally,the 2nd just a reaffirmation of a natural born right of defense,so,fuck all the laws in this regards!

        Oh,and 60 seconds to assemble a mag,you must have “complicated “mags!

        • PO'd Patriot says:

          OK WCD 60 seconds might be a little long to put a floor plate and spring in a mag. But I got to get up and walk to the fridge in the garage for a beer…. Besides I don’t like the mag restrictions here either but I spent many days in Annapolis fighting these bastards and speaking out and still it made no difference so I gotta do what I gotta do to get what I need. There’s always a way to beat the devil around the stump. I’m not moving away either. Too much of a target rich environment here and my memory is good when it comes to names.

          • Warchild Dammit! says:

            PO,am with you,beat silly bans any way possible,hell,there are 3d printers that can make the mag bodies these days/rebuild kits from friends,do what you have to do.I see now you added the garage and beer the time frame for assembly,actually,good time with that added in.On the upside,you take em apart/put em together ahead of a lot of folks,lets one see if any issues /upcoming issues with springs/followers ect.,mag maintenance overlooked by many I believe.

      • Old Guy says:

        If before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society—you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. Ayn Rand. Now the way I see it is the framers did not grant us the rights. They only stated what they are. Those rights are God Given Rights. No legislature has any authority to infringe on them. No permission is needed for the First admendment. or any of the other admendments. Why and how is the Second admendment different that a (permit) is required? Arkansas came out with concealed carry and I refused to grant the state any authority over the second admendment. I simply carried just as I always have. Now Arkansas has concealed carry or open carry no permit required. So when you actually pay some government agency for something you already have a God given right to do. Hows does that make sense? THe fact is I don’t like the NRA. The second admendment doesn’t belong to them. They haven’t any right or authority to enter into any compromise with any government enity on any of our God given rights. The second is no exception.

        • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

          Old Guy, AMEN to your comments. The NRA is just as bogus as the day is long.

        • Old Reloader says:

          In Texas we were counting on the Constitutional Carry legislation to pass the legislature. We got 2 bills in the works but they made some of the politicians ” uneasy ” so they put them in committee where they died. I am thoroughly pissed. I have passed every type of background check ever run, even to work in sensitive areas on military bases. I took my required handgun training/ proficiency course,got the form to fill out for carry license and was going to go get photo and finger prints done but stopped the whole process. my thinking was, I am going to get finger printed and a mug shot then fill out a form, enclose a check to the state to beg for my second amendment right I already have. Nope, nada, ain’t gonna happen. Who the hell in Austin or D C [ damn crooks ] has the right to treat me like a criminal and ration out my constitutional rights ?

      • g man says:

        what the hell gives any person right to exclude ANYONE the right to defend their property, their family’s lives, hunt on their own land, because one that law abiding citizen has a non-violent felony record. all the self righteous wind bags that would be in the 90% of citizens who are unindicted felons in this country should be consistent and be either for gun rights or not.

      • Concerned-Citizen! says:

        Hey P.O. – so sorry to hear you also live in this God awful state known as Maryland my friend. I got an unrestricted permit but had to get robbed, have a gun put in my face and the asshole also threatened to come back and kill me, etc, etc. So all I had to do was go through all kinds of paperwork and face to face interview and spend more or less a good $500+ for the State to ALLOW me to make use of my God given rights. What a complete bunch of absolute bullshit.

    4. Our rights are defined in the CONSTITUTION!! How hard is the 2nd Amendment to read and understand . . . not very hard, even for a libtard. If the idiots that run this country can’t understand the 2nd Amendment to the CONSTITUTION, I doubt they will bother to try and understand some new “SAGA” legislation, but go for it, it’s worth a try.

      • No, our Rights are NOT defined within the US Constitution. What the US Constitution does is REQUIRE that every single person who serves within our governments from the floor sweepers to the military, to the law enforcement (which is required in writing to be the Militia), all those that are elected, hired, contracted, etc to PROTECT the natural rights of the people – that is what our governments were created for.

        One also needs to understand that the US Constitution is the supreme Law, and the supreme CONTRACT that all who serve within our governments – state and federal – are REQUIRED in writing and by Oath to defend.

    5. anon says:

      attain a concealed carry permit

      obtain a concealed carry permit

      There, I fixed it for you.

      • RMS1911 says:

        Did you fix it?

        Attain

        succeed in achieving (something that one desires and has worked for):
        “clarify your objectives and ways of attaining them” · [more]
        synonyms: achieve · accomplish · reach · obtain · gain · procure · secure · get · hook · net · win · earn · acquire · realize · fulfill · clinch · bag · snag · wrap up

        reach (a specified age, size, or amount):
        “dolphins can attain remarkable speeds in water”

    6. Sarge the Annihilator says:

      Criminals don`t obey the law, why would this even matter

    7. Angry Beaver says:

      Lol you want bullshit gun laws try Canada.
      The only place you can use a handgun is on a government approved firing range that you must be a member of.(no you can not use it on your private property) You need a transport permit to take it from your house to the range. It must be locked up separately from the ammo and out of the drivers reach. Get caught and it’s an instant forfeiture of all your firearms and licences. Same thing with any semi autos we might have. During hunting season I can only have 3 rounds in my hunting rifle. If I want to drive a few miles to a different area I first have to empty the rifle trigger lock it and lock up the ammo separately. I live in the heart of grizzly and mountain lion territory. I am not allowed to carry a handgun for defense I can still only have 3 rounds in my gun.
      One of our volunteer firefighters was out looking for whitetail came around the corner to see two Griz cubs. He DID happen to have .45 auto and emptied 12 rounds on that old sow before he himself succumbed to his wounds. He survived but lost his guns his permits his hunting privileges and was charged and convinced of killing and endangered species. Yes I know this first hand as his family still lives in town here
      How’s that for bull shit gun laws.

      • GrandpaSpeaks says:

        I live in a valley where the bears from a nearby national park are relocated. We are not talking about well behaved bears here. One grizz started taking horses up the valley and the authorities snared it. They dropped by my place to warn me there was a three legged bear wondering close by and he probably isn’t very happy. I asked “Can I shoot it then?” Their answer was no, you would be charged with killing an endangered species and just shrugged their shoulders when I stated “Well I guess the guy that set the snare gets a pass then”. It was the Atlas shrug they gave me as they drove off. That burned me worse than any damage a bear could do. At least you can talk to a bear.

        • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

          Grandpa, if I was confronted by a bear I would give it ONLY one chance to go away alive. If it made one move toward me I’d shoot it. When me and mine are threatened with imminent death, I’ll do whatever I consider necessary to get out of the situation alive, and I’m not caring about any law or anything else. Forget about the ‘authorities’. They don’t care about the public anyway. They’re just govt. employees anyway.

          • Angry Beaver says:

            Lol LMFAO if you come in contact with a Griz you had better draw down fast that bear will most likely blind side you YOU WILL DIE A TERRIFYING PAINFUL DEATH. If you see cubs pull your weapons and get your back against a tree and get ready for a fight. Grizzlies don’t give second chances. Trust me I’ve lived around these things all my life I just avoid them completely.

            • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

              AB, my BOL sits on a 30-acre plot in the mountains of N. GA. The owner, one of my female cousins, will only on occasion venture out into the woods and she’s ARMED every time she goes out there. She’s seen cubs passing through the property on occasion. When the cubs pass through the mama bear ain’t far behind. She normally just lets them go right on through as long as they don’t notice her. When she’s in the woods she carries nothing less than a Mossberg 500 loaded with 00 buck. When she sees bears she turns around and heads back to the cabin. I have other family that live in the same area who treat bears the same way. As long as they don’t even notice them they just let the go right on through. they turn around and head back to their homes. On occasion, I hear a story or two about people killing bears on their land because of them attacking so the people had no other choice but to kill them in self-defense. They just turn around and dispose of the bears.

              • Mountain Trekker says:

                Braveheart, Rocky Mountain Grizzlies are a totally different creature from Black Bears and Coastal Grizzlies, If you see a sow Griz with cubs, she and her cubs are either going to haul azz or you better get ready to defend yourself. Trekker Out.

              • Old Guy says:

                Get the fox fire books. Those old timers hunted bears. mostly shot them behind the ear with a 22. Some guys would crawl in the den and kill them with a knife. No bears near me. However I reciently acquired a Plott Hound. He is just a pup but he already can catch and kill a grown raccoon.

                • GrandpaSpeaks says:

                  Read the Grizzly of Whiskey Creek by Syd Marty and learn why you never, ever make eye contact with a grizzly. Use your peripheral vision and slowly give ground. I have a good friend whose encounter with a grizz with cubs while he was bow hunting for deer left him seven pounds lighter after the scars healed, he said when it bit his head it sounded like he was crunching ice cubes. Listen to the mad Beaver, my friend wasn’t moving but the bears were when he noticed the cubs and when he scanned over his shoulder looking for the sow she was behind him only three feet from his face. The eye contact could not be avoided and then all hell broke loose. He lived because he was also packing a handgun as a back up to his bow. He blindly emptied two clips while being rag dolled into the bear before it moved off to die. His tip is to never hunt where there is no phone signal for 911. They took his weapon but the police refused to charge him concerning killing an endangered species. His wounds were more than obvious and it took four months of hospitalization to recover. He still hunts and lays no blame on the bear. Just remember to never make eye contact with grizzlies or Libtards, it sets them both off.

        • Plan twice, prep once says:

          My first choice for a home defense weapon was a 12 gauge.

          I read that there was virtually no successful attack by a bear against a man that shot any bear with 12 gauge slugs, but men with rifles died way too often.

          In my mind I always saw a bear with rabies as the ultimate enemy.

          Pretty much only black bears where I live. But still, a black bear killed someone not far from my house a year or two ago.

          We protect bears like they are gods chosen, and ignore the attacks. Just child like foolishness by liberal people that watched way too many Disney movies where animals are human and must be protected.

          I suspect I’m the only household in a hundred that is better prepared than the local police to deal with a rabid bear or similar issue.

          • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

            PTPO, my family doesn’t even want to deal with bears if they can avoid it so that’s why they avoid them all they can. But I have to disagree about ignoring bear attacks. I can’t see a bear as ‘God’s chosen’ if it attacks and mauls/kills a human. It’s the real world out there, not some Disney movie. That’s why when my cousins go out in the woods they carry nothing less than 12-ga. shotguns with nothing less than 00 buck in them.

      • The Deplorable Braveheart says:

        AB, yep, that’s bullshit with CAPITAL BULLSHIT. That makes Cali look sensible.

      • Kevin2 says:

        If it wasn’t for the NRA Ila US would be Canada.

        • Plan twice, prep once says:

          The NRA has abandon my state years ago. We are on our own against the mentally ill liberals.

          • RMS1911 says:

            It’s the same with a fire if it gets out of hand you have to fall back and make a fire break and sacrifice some fuel to eventually stop the fire.

          • Kevin2 says:

            The NRA abandons no one. I voted with my feet to flee NJ and as a state it doesn’t get much worse. You can only do so much. Handguns in NJ would have been banned if it wasn’t for the NRA ILA. I worked tirelessly against Jim Florio and S-166 the Assault Gun ban. An Anti Tax group, Hands Across NJ was formed to go after the NJ anti Gun politicians. I called it “the NRA CIA. The original S-166 was watered down by royal decree of the AG because of this pressure. NJ is politically a suburb of NYC. Its demographics are stacked against gun ownership.

      • Nailbanger says:

        Ive heard of bullshit like that from a friend who lives in calgary

    8. TATB (the assholes that be) think they have abolished the Constitution and taken away our God given rights replacing them with privileges they can bestow or repeal. If it makes these (((globalists))) feel more amenable to allowing the businesses and citizens to remain unmolested by them, I’m in favor of it. It will help to prevent their soon-to-be death by firing squad or public hanging.

      Btw if you can get 20 years for exercising your right to freedom of speech, you might as well shoot the bastards. The penalty is pretty much the same. And there is no stinking fine should you live beyond 20 years. Lots of pissed off old timers with not much to live for who would rather go out with a bang than a whimper.

      _

    9. rellik says:

      What is the number of the bill?

        • R5722990 says:

          115TH CONGRESS
          1ST SESSION

          H.R.

          To amend title 18, United States Code, to limit the authority of States and localities to regulate conduct, or impose penalties or taxes, in relation to rifles or shotguns.

          IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
          Mr. COLLINS of New York introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on

          A BILL

          To amend title 18, United States Code, to limit the authority of States and localities to regulate conduct, or impose penalties or taxes, in relation to rifles or shotguns.

          Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

          SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

          This Act may be cited as the "Second Amendment Guarantee Act" or the "SAGA Act".

          SEC. 2. LIMITATION ON AUTHORITY OF STATES AND LOCALITIES TO REGULATE CONDUCT IN RELATION TO RIFLES OR SHOTGUNS.

          Section 927 of title 18, United States Code, is amended

          (1) by striking "No" and inserting "(a) Except as provided in subsection (b), no"; and

          (2) by adding after and below the end the following:

          "(b)(1) A State or a political subdivision of a State may not impose any regulation, prohibition, or registration or licensing requirement with respect to the design, manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, possession, or marking of a rifle or shotgun that has moved in, or any such conduct that affects, interstate or foreign commerce, that is more restrictive, or impose any penalty, tax, fee, or charge with respect to such a rifle or shotgun or such conduct, in an amount greater, than is provided under Federal law. To the extent that a law of a State or political subdivision of a State, whether enacted before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this subsection, violates the preceding sentence, the law shall have no force or effect. For purposes of this subsection, the term ‘rifle or shotgun’ includes any part of a rifle or shotgun, any detachable magazine or ammunition feeding device, and any type of pistol grip or stock design.

          "(2) In an action brought for damages or relief from a violation of paragraph (1), the court shall award the prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney’s fee in addition to any other damages or relief awarded".

    10. “SAGA would provide an intimidating bulwark against gun control advocates in blue states. In a nutshell, it would prevent these states from passing restrictive laws that exceed the scope of federal gun laws.”

      No, what this would do is give those in the general (federal) government power over the states, and that would grow.

      Think just a minute. It is just another color of law that would have to be enforced. The Second Amendment REQUIRES in writing, as part of the contract that ALL who serve within our governments are under, that they PROTECT our natural right to self defense. The constitutional LAW is there, and it is very clear in what it says.

      Basically, at this moment, or any moment since the US Constitution was ratified, there is/was no person who serves within our governments that has/had the LAWFUL authority to tell any US Citizen what type, how many, how to carry, etc a weapon – any weapon. Any who serve within our government that enforces anything except for LAWFUL carry and ownership of any weapon as long as one TRAINS on it and studies the US Constitution and their own state’s Constitution is a *terrorist.

      28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

      Why would they be a terrorist here against our own people? Because what they are enforcing is NOT our legitimate government so they are using force to change our government from within. They quite possibly are also a terrorist.

      No law enforcement or military is supposed to ever “just follow orders” or “just do their jobs” as the Oath they are Lawfully required to take makes them PERSONALLY responsible for knowing what the US Constitution requires of them and what their own state’s Constitution requires of them – and they are LAWFULLY required to follow them. It is a felony and Perjury if they do not at the very least. This was reinforced by the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi Germany when those who implemented those orders against the Romany, gypsys, other people of that nation were found guilty for their actions and hung.

      Remember that every single able-bodied American and those LAWFULLY here are required to be armed and trained in the use of those arms as the Congress requires the US Military to be trained.

      Richard Henry Lee, 1788: “Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.” (Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights)

      George Washington: “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government…, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.” (“Sentiments on a Peace Establishment”, letter to Alexander Hamilton; “The Writings of George Washington”)

      It has been well established that the original intent of the 2nd amendment was to enable the people to defend against tyranny which invariably comes in the form of an overbearing and oppressive government. This right to defense is not special to Americans and is a natural right of all peoples.
      In the 70s and 80’s the Afghani militia (the mujahideen) was engaged against tyranny (Soviets). In order to aid them in their fight against their oppressors, the USA sent Stinger shoulder mounted rocket launchers so they could wage an asymmetrical battle against the much better equipped Soviet forces.
      Therefore our own federal government established the precedent that, in the age of a modern military, rocket launchers (Bazookas) fall within the scope of weapons necessary for citizen militias fighting against tyranny – inadvertently making the case that they should be covered under the 2nd amendment.
      http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin800.htm

      Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859): “The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the “high powers” delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.’ A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power.”

      Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878): “To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm … is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.”

      Bliss vs. Commonwealth, 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90, at 92, and 93, 13 Am. Dec. 251 (1822): “For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only a part of the right that is secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order of time at which it be done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution.”

      Nunn vs. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846): ” `The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right.”

      *28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

      We already have the Law, and it is SUPREME over any statute, etc made by those that serve within our governments. It is made clear that Lawfully those that serve within our governments – state and federal – have NO LAWFUL authority over any of our Natural Rights as they were NOT delegated away from the people, but retained by the people.

    11. Rick says:

      It will never pass, along with reciprocity and hearing protection act. The republicans are not are friends either.

    12. Arby5 says:

      Totally Off Topic ! Just read the first two books in THE BORROWED WORLD series by author Franklin Horton.

      I Highly recommend these books, picked up some good tips and they are real page turners and hard to put down.

      • Justice says:

        Arby5, thanks for the heads up I will get them in Kindle format. I love a good Post-Apocalyptic Collapse Novel.

        My favorite, from when I was younger was Swan Song, by Robert McCammon.

    13. flabbergasted says:

      You mention the perceived benefits of this bill and the weight it would carry, but in that regard, should we not be concerned about this bill omitting handguns? As is, could that not be used against handgun rights specifically, in the future? Sure it could! Talk about an end-run play! Wake up!

    14. Warchild Dammit! says:

      Good start,then get rid of ALL fed gun laws,then,we follow the intent of bill of rights which is just a affirmation of natural born rights.

      And,do not give me any of this “law abiding citizen bullshit”,keep real criminals in jail,you are not in jail and can afford it,get a gun,zero exceptions or you are a hypocrite in regards to bill of rights and natural born rights!

    15. Overthecliff says:

      2 nd amendment shall not “infringe”. 10 th amendment ” reserved to the states”. Don’t give the congress the right to regulate weapons. They can’t be trusted.

    16. Nailbanger says:

      Whats that
      Judged by 12 than caried by 6?
      Better to ask forgiveness than permission, i know folks who have gone their whole life without following the law

    17. The Deplorable Braveheart says:

      Nailbanger, damn straight. Once the balloon goes up we’ll all be WROL and the only law that will matter is DO WHATEVER’S NECESSARY TO STAY ALIVE.

      • Red Hawk says:

        Rule of law was made a mockery of with The Clintons
        Soooo
        As far as we should be concerned
        We are and have been living in a WROL situation

        Look at how the pigs can dust anyone
        And get paid to do it , promoted or at least have their ass covered for it

        Pets murdered
        Tourists here to get married murdered by a fast tracked Somolian
        Etc
        The stories of our Rule of Law and how well it’s been preserved are greatly exaggerated

        The only rule of law comes out of the barrel of a gun
        And the sooner we all wake the F up to this fact the sooner we can get this country back on track

    18. Rockmanr says:

      Free men own guns surfs do not Simple test of weather or not you are a freeman or a surf. Remember that Lexington/concord was about gun control. the Brits were out confiscating arms. A few farmers and shop owners gathered to face the best army in the world. That took guts plain and simple. The odds are that this bill will not pass. Chuck you Shumer will act to kill it. New York has strict gun laws and is the safest city in the country followed by Chicago we have become a country of mealy mouthed shuffle butt serfs in reality

    19. Old Guy says:

      Everyone warned me . They stated you cannot drive a over the road truck and have a firearm in the truck. And for more than 40 years I carried a Black hawk 44 with a 10 inch barrel with me. my wife would sew a insulated pocket inside the front of my bib overholls. What looked like a beer gut on me was in fact a 44 magnum wheel gun. Ive been stopped by Leo’s numerious times . And lots of times invited to set in the front seat of the squad car. And I was always smiling because that dumb shit LEO never knew how easy it would be for me to blow a hole in them. Thankfully It never came down to that. Still have the horse pistol and still carry it. I can reach my right hand into the side and have the 44 out in a second. Ive now got a lazer sight on it and am deadly again. So far everything ive shot with it died right there. Shoot a deer and no need to follow some blood trail tracking it. They fall right where they are. Dead before they hit the ground. Of course I only make head shots. If I cant get a head shot I don’t shoot.

    20. Liberty Lover says:

      “one could argue that a few of these laws are a good idea” That was as far as I could read for a bit. Until Americans remember that these “laws” restricting our God-given inalienable rights that are further enunciated in the Bill of Rights, we’ll be debating our own demise with the devil! The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting. It is only in part about self protection. It’s primary focus is on the inalienable right of the people to overthrow their government, otherwise quoted “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands…and to assume among the powers of the earth… which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them…”
      Dissolving those political bands and assuming the powers entitled by God isn’t going to happen against this or any other government with a BB gun.
      Wake up America before you find yourself and your sons castrated and beyond all hope.

    21. Scott says:

      We Do not need more laws, We Need to know that the 2nd Amendment is the law of the land regarding Firearm ownership, we need to reject and remove from the books all laws that have occurred after the BILL OF RIGHTS was enacted. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” all laws on the books after this have infringed upon us. SO THEY ARE NULL AND VOID. if we had courts that were correct.

    22. citizen says:

      I feel for you guys in the Eastern states. Hard to understand when I’ve lived in gun friendly states my whole life. Met a Lib from NM at a gun show the other day. He felt that AZ residents packing guns were intimidating. Didn’t think open carry should be allowed. We chatted for awhile and he admitted he was an Obongo supporter. I asked if he was nervous being the only idiot in the room. Meanwhile my 9mm in my front pocket was quietly protecting both of us.

    23. Old Guy says:

      Quietly protecting both of us? not me I always carry however If im some place and some other people or person is being attacked shot or whatever I will not intervene. Not my job im not a LEO. Only if me and mine are threatened will I pull iron. And if I do pull it I will be cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Its those other folks fault for not carrying a gun.

      • rellik says:

        Old guy,
        You are a cold hearted SOB.
        I agree with you. It’s impossible
        here to carry so I’m instantly up
        on a Felony, if I become a good
        Samaritan. As a rule I don’t talk to
        cops, so I won’t see anything either.

    24. Rich says:

      The TRUTH about the “supremacy clause” – our Constitution does not delegate to the national government authority to restrict our arms, ammunition, regulate firearms dealers, do background checks, etc. The national government may not lawfully circumvent this restriction by means of a treaty wherein the signatory governments agree to disarm their Citizens or Subjects.
      https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/?s=The+TRUTH+about+the+%22supremacy+clause

    25. Rich says:

      The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers” delegated directly to the citizen, and `is excepted out of the general powers of government.’ A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power.” [Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

    26. Rich says:

      The NRA has been selling out the American gun owner for over 100 years. They actively supported the NFA in 1934, the Gun Control Act in 1968 and the oppositely named Firearm Owners’ Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) which removed the right of Americans to purchase new automatic or AOW weapons, a clear violation of the Second Amendment.

      All of this was done with the cooperation of the sellout Progressive owned and run Republican Party as well.

    27. Alan says:

      Sad to note, but it strikes me that the average citizen, assuming action in defense of constitutional rights is used as a measure, is undeserving of any.

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