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This Anti-Gun Bill Would Require the Social Media History and Internet Search History of Prospective Buyers

Daisy Luther
December 4th, 2018
The Organic Prepper
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This article was originally published by Daisy Luther at The Organic Prepper

*Said no Founding Father, ever

In New York (the state, not just the city) there’s a rather Orwellian gun bill on the table that would require would-be firearm purchasers to turn over 3 years of their social media history and one year of their internet search history if they want to buy a gun.

“A three-year review of a social media profile would give an easy profile of a person who is not suitable to hold and possess a firearm,” said Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams, who has proposed the legislation with New York State Senator Kevin Parker. (source)

Applicants to purchase a gun would be required by law to turn over their social media passwords to accounts like Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, and Instagram, and they’d have to allow police to see a year’s worth of their searches on a year’s worth of searches on Google, Yahoo, and Bing. As well, anyone renewing their permit for a pistol would be subject to this invasive investigation.

Now, for those of you sitting there saying, “That’s fine, I don’t use social media and I use Duck Duck Go or StartPage” this is great – for now.

How long do you think it would be before other outlets like blogs where you comment or these different search engines are added to the list of things that are searched? Trust me, if it gets passed, this is a greasy slide straight to the bad place.

What will the police be looking for?

According to a write-up on the Democrat and Chronicle, a daily newspaper in Rochester, NY:

Police would be required to look for evidence the applicant searched for or used racist or discriminatory language, threatened the safety of another person, inquired about or alluded to an act of terrorism, and, finally, “any other issue deemed necessary by the investigating officer.” (source)

Think for a moment about how much the investigating officer’s bias would come into play here. In some ways of thinking, people who say “all lives matter” are considered the epitome of racism even when taken out of context.

And what about a couple of women talking about a breakup using heated language in a conversation about the ex who has become the enemy? Are they really going to act on it or are they just blowing off some steam?

Then I think about my search history regarding terrorism – I’m a blogger, for goodness sakes. My search history is a dark place. What if you’re researching what kind of gun you want to buy and you’re looking up things like “stopping power” or some other thing the anti-gun folks consider “scary” that is a completely legitimate question in reality?

And “any other issue deemed necessary” is just far, far too broad to provide any comfort whatsoever that the investigations would be fair and impartial. All of this is completely subjective. Anyone with a dark sense of humor, regardless of their sanity or upstanding citizen-ness, is going to be in for a hard time.

This social media and search history bill is unconstitutional on so many levels.

If you think it takes a long time now to get a gun or a carry permit (it can be weeks to months in some states), imagine how long it would take if officers are poring over everything on your laptop for the past 3 years. People in those areas would be waiting for far longer to make a purchase they’re allowed to make by the Second Amendment of the constitution.

Then there’s the dirty little pre-crime aspect of the whole thing. Eric Adams, one of the founders of this bright idea, said it was just basic police work. “If the police department is reviewing a gang assault, a robbery, some type of shooting, they go and do a social media profile investigation.”

But as the Foundation for Economic Education points out, in those cases, police are investigating a crime, not trying to predict one.

First, comparing the search of a prospective gun buyer’s internet history to routine police investigations is odd. When an assault, robbery, or shooting occurs, police are investigating a crime. That is not the case with someone trying to buy a firearm; the buyer is simply trying to make a lawful purchase. This bill is closer to what one might call pre-crime, an idea that has served as a plot device in dystopian literature for more than half a century. (The 2002 Tom Cruise movie Minority Report, a story that centers around a state that has figured out how to stop crimes before they happen, was based on a 1956 Philip K. Dick novel.) (source)

This complete lack of privacy for gun owners is also concerning. Remember, it isn’t just new gun owners who would have to submit to this investigation – any gun owner who wants to keep his or her firearm in a place where permission must be renewed would be subject to an invasive search every time they were up for renewal. This, to me, slips into the realm of unreasonable searches, against which we are protected by the 4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (source)

Buying a gun is not a crime, which means there is no probable cause, right?

And who gets to decide whether something is hate speech? Ask any two people if a statement is hateful, and you’re likely to get two different answers. It all depends where you’re coming from. If some self-loathing, social justice warrior type is the one investigating versus some rigidly alt-right traditionalist, they’re going to see the social media commentary of a person very differently. You simply cannot make sweeping laws like this and leave the enforcement up to human beings who have their own biases without setting up a system of unfairness.

Fee states:

Additionally, there is the issue of defining hate speech, a notoriously nebulous term. (Europe has already shown where the road of state-regulated hate speech takes us.) What authority would determine what speech qualifies as “hateful”? To deny someone a fundamental right based on the state’s interpretation of “hate speech” would be an affront to constitutional principles. (source)

These people want to “protect” us right into dystopia.

But they don’t enforce the laws we already have.

They’re not even enforcing the gun control measures already in place.

The folks who want to make it more difficult for innocent people to exercise their second amendment rights should perhaps focus on the laws that are already in place instead of heaping even more of the onus on innocent people.

Several of last year’s mass shootings would not have occurred if those laws were enforced.

Nicolas Cruz, who shot up the high school in Florida. had serious mental health issues that were not properly reported and documented. Had they been, he would not have been able to purchase a gun – at least not legally.

And Devin Patrick Kelly, the guy who shot up a church in a small town in Texas, had a dishonorable discharge for violently assaulting his wife and child. Had the military reported this as they were obligated to do, he would not have passed the background check. He would not have been able to legally purchase those guns either.

We must ask ourselves this question seriously.

If we don’t enforce the gun laws that are already on the books, what good will more gun laws do?

More laws will mean that innocent people have a greater burden and that bad people will continue to flout the law with no fear of repercussions.

I don’t want to lose my right to protect myself just because government agencies aren’t taking seriously their responsibilities in preventing crimes.

Devin Kelley should not have been able to buy a gun according to the current laws. But the Air Force did not follow them.

Nikolas Cruz flat out told everyone he was going to be a school shooter. But the FBI didn’t do anything to stop him. He had years of history of mental illness and behavioral problems. But these issues were not reported to the database that would have prevented him from purchasing a gun.

Is the problem really with law-abiding, innocent gun owners? Or is it more reasonably with the authorities who aren’t abiding by the responsibilities charged to them and the people who are intent on killing? (source)

What good will more laws do? The proposed bill will cost extra money for anyone who wants to buy a gun, lengthen the waiting period, and rule out people based on the whims of the investigator.

Remember, these things never stop with just one state.

It’s easy to scoff and say, “Those crazy people in New York are getting what they voted for.” I know someone’s going to say it so there, I said it for you.

But that’s short-sighted, and dare I say, ignorant of the way the world works.

Look at all the states that have recently flipped from red to blue in the midterm elections. If you don’t think it could ever happen where you are, you’re not paying attention. Please keep in mind that I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but am referring to some party generalizations here.

Democrats, who tend to lean more toward gun control measures than Republicans, took over the House of Representatives in the midterm elections. They also won 7 governor’s seats that were previously held by Republicans. A Democrat won a Senate seat in Montana, for crying out loud, long known to be a conservative stronghold.

There has been hard blowback against President Trump which will leave ripples in future elections for decades. In fact, I don’t recall in my adult life ever seeing a president so hated, disrespected and maligned. And the people doing the most maligning are the ones with the biggest microphones – namely, the mainstream media and Hollywood.

It’s not a stretch of the imagination to suggest we could soon see a dramatic shift in the United States that will open the door to all sorts of controlling “greater good” kinds of things.

Greater good. You know, like searching people’s computers before letting them own or keep their guns.

If this passes in New York, it won’t be long before it passes in California. Then in Massachusetts. Then it will spread, like a gun control virus. And it won’t be long until we see something introduced in the US Congress.

All of these new gun control measures are a scary, Orwellian slope and we’re slipping down it a little more every day.

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  1. Dead Meat says:

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.”

    Tick-tock….

    • reper sleepr says:

      Let it begin. Besides there’s plenty of that merchandise and salesmen on the street that don’t ask silly assed questions as long as you got the coin.

      • The Deplorable Renegade says:

        Reper Sleeper, uh, I would avoid those ‘salesmen and merchandise on the street.’ You don’t know if you’re dealing with a stolen weapon or the encounter could be one of those ‘sting’ operations by LE. It’s not worth the risk.

        • reper sleepr says:

          Depends on who you know. But yes there’s always that chance. I live in the country, own a business and know a lot of “folks”. If necessary I’ll do whatever it takes “to get the coon”.

    • THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. Dead meat You sir are A PATRIOT. My fellow Americans study your American mission Statement, And fly your Gadsden Flag proudly.

    • Norrak says:

      Invasion of privacy and freedom of thought and speech. Head ’em up, move ’em out.

    • JustMe says:

      How exactly has the 2sd Amendment stopped the marxist takeover of every institution, from within? How has it prevented almost a century of leftist propaganda from being vomited all over this country? How has it prevented 5 generations of poisonous brainwashing?

      How has it prevented a non-stop aided and abetted invasion through what are supposed to be our “borders”? How has it prevented invaders from “voting” in our “elections”? How has it prevented a thousand woes that the invaders bring?

      How has it prevented the corruption that permeates almost every facet of life in America? How has it prevented average people from becoming apathetic and willfully ignorant? How many people will even bother to look up from their dumb-phones, when it is finally taken away?

      • Dead Meat says:

        I’ll tell you how…
        It forced them to slowly turn up the heat on this pot ‘o frogs we call home, rather than drop capitalism for communism overnight. But it’s not all about the guns. They had to steal the wealth and poison the well first.

        • JustMe says:

          The frogs are starting to boil…

        • Dead Meat says:

          I won’t blame this guy or that thing though. I blame all of us, I blame our parents, I blame our grandparents. Everyone gets blame for their apathy in allowing the poison to infect all aspects of this nation. And now it’s choking out a death rattle as it births out a new, horrific, monstrosity and all I can do is look to my children and say Im sorry I have failed you, because they will be the ones who have to navigate the upcoming nightmares.

          • Voco Veritas says:

            Dead Meat, do you believe we Patriots will ever stand up and unite to stop this tyranny once and for all? Yes, we know some will pay the ultimate price but don’t you agree that if we who are able do NOT take that stand, that ALL will eventually become not just de facto slaves, but actual slaves with NO rights whatsoever?

            Note I am not calling for revolution though I am calling for the restoration of our Republic which is a Right and our Duty as you correctly quoted in the first formal document of our nation, our Declaration of Independence.

            In God we Trust. Meanwhile, He gave us a brain and a heart for many reasons, one of which includes the Duty to defend the rights He saw fit to give us

            • Son of patriot says:

              I’m not calling for a revolution either, how can you force millions of brain dead liberals to all of a sudden value their freedom? I AM calling for secessions, for red states to secede, and for their own nation, it’s the only way, Patriots.

  2. bb in GA says:

    Am I ‘Captain Obvious’ when I say this whole mess is grievous violation of the First Amendment in the service of limiting our Second Amendment Rights ?

    WTH does any Goobermint have any right to demand knowledge of any non-criminal thing I might have to say or publish ?

    Any Fourth Amendment complaints (maybe we can throw in 14 th Amendment ‘Due Process’ violations as well) are just icing on this UnConstitutional Layer Cake.

    <bb

    • The Deplorable Renegade says:

      BB, good points. As far as I’m concerned it’s NOTFB [NONE OF THEIR F#$%ING BUSINESS]!

      • Menzoberranzan says:

        The gun grabbers can eat shit. I’ve got what I need and a network to get more without a paper trail. So fuck y’all in government.

        • Anonymous says:

          A lot of what you get without a paper trail ends up being stolen property which can get you in serious trouble if you ever get caught with it (as in a self defense situation where you use it). Be very, very careful who you buy from and how you go about it (don’t think someone won’t roll over on you to get a plea bargain for themselves or something).

          Further, if you are in a universal background check State or in a restricted firearm/magazine or universal registration one and have items manufactured after the restrictions were put in place, you get busted again if found out or you have to use them.

          Be careful. Don’t put yourself in prison, you’re of no use to anyone there.

          • The Deplorable Renegade says:

            Anonymous, those are the same points I made last night. Those would be valid while conditions are still “normal”. But in a full-blown SHTF/WROL scenario it’s going to be a different story. I’ve always believed we’ll end up in a Balkans-type situation.

  3. Bill McGill says:

    Buh buh buh Benny and them jets

  4. Bill McGill says:

    I mean who the fuck are you kidding …black people were never on board with this shit

    https://youtu.be/ZxeBccvWDRQ

  5. Bill McGill says:

    I’m in the middle of a gd blizzard im gonna kick bangers azz up in between his shoulders

  6. Bill McGill says:

    looks as though you’ve already said that!

    « Back

  7. Anonymous says:

    Unless their civilization and the power it gives the elites is destroyed too totally for them to save or rebuild it. Only then will their power be gone, forever.

  8. The Deplorable Renegade says:

    Supposedly the new libturd majority in the House once they come in on Jan. 3 will introduce a similar bill for the federal level. Pelosi has already said they will push ‘gun control’ again this time around. Supposedly the Senate and Trump’s veto pen will stop it, but I’m not holding my breath on it. There’s a gun show in my area Dec. 15-16 and then another one in Jan. I’m looking for another 9mm pistol to replace my Taurus. Went to the range with it last Sunday and it start jamming up on me. I’ll also be looking for a good .308 rifle, not to mention more ammo for what I already have. If anyone here has any gun purchases in mind, better get them soon before any insane law like what’s mentioned in the article gets passed in your state or in the Congress. It looks like the new libturds coming in will become some pretty good gun salesmen. Gun dealers, get ready. Your business will be picking up before you know it.

  9. Dead Meat says:

    …the attempt to impose upon man, a creature of growth and capable of sweetness, to ooze juicily at the last round the bearded lips of God, to attempt to impose, I say, laws and conditions appropriate to a mechanical creation, against this, I raise my swordpen–”
    – Burgess, Anthony. The character F. Alexander, “A Clockwork Orange”, p. 25

  10. Maranatha says:

    Move to Kentucky. If the SHTF, and you are in NY state, you likely will die or at least be overrun by crazies.

  11. Costco sells the Kitchen Aid 6 quart Mixer.

    Who wouldn’t like to have one?

    _

  12. Wow, a two fer one sale. Violate first and 2nd amendment at the same time. Good thing they have “justice” Kagan on the SCOTUS who never set foot in a court room prior to being a judge on the highest court in the land. Do these people even refer to the constitution in their thought process? Of course not.

  13. Dave says:

    It’s coming. It will be here soon. Flood the country with socialist bred foreigners, and democrats will soon control all three branches. Then they will let loose on all they dream of doing. We aren’t talking our lifetime, we are talking the next few elections. Nero fiddles while rome burns.

  14. ANGRY FROG says:

    MMMMMMMM ?

    Geee the only thing I want to shoot at is at a Rifle, or Pistol Range.

    I wonder if the Clintons would turn in there social media ????

  15. Kevin2 says:

    Putting aside the obvious Constitutional / Bill Of Rights issues, if there was nothing else to go on, our revered Founding Fathers, authors / contributors to the Federalist Papers couldn’t pass this scrutiny.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Best idea, which should have been obvious for at least a dozen years, it to avoid spreading a traceable trail of your activities and commentary across the internet in the first place.

    But most people are too stupid to do that.

    They don’t realize it isn’t what you do or don’t do or say or don’t say on the internet, it’s what those things can be made to look like and how they can be used against you by a malicious prosecutor that matters (innocent people end up in jail for that on a regular basis).

  17. Kevin2 says:

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    A paraphrasing of the famous statement of Benjamin Franklin:
    “If you give up your First and Forth Amendments to retain the Second you can expect in the end having none of them”.

  18. Jim in Va. says:

    Do you think this law would make it through the Supreme court? Eff California!

    • Kevin2 says:

      The US Supreme Court doesn’t challenge law, they may or may not take cases where a conviction based on law occurs. The NSA mass spying has avoided USSC scrutiny because any evidence obtained by this obvious to the layman violation of the 4th Amendment is denied and protected by the veil of “national security”. Who needs Communists and NAZI’s when loopholes, unforeseen by the Founding Fathers exist.

  19. the blame-e says:

    I’m from Upstate New York, a state that has been in continuous decline for 50-years.

    We just endured a 2018 Midterm Election where, once again, Governor Andrew Cuomo was re-elected to yet another 6-year term of office by New York City.

    That’s right. One city determined the fate of a whole state, again.

    The Cuomo Mafia Family has been in control of New York State since the 1980s. That’s not representative government; that’s tyranny. Rule by a tyrant, bought and paid for by another New York City dweller, Michael Bloomberg.

    With an estimated net worth of $51.8 billion, Michael Bloomberg is the 8th-richest person in the United States and the 11th richest person in the world.

    Together with their own private and fully-owned newspaper, the “New York Times,” they can buy any government, any Constitution, any Bill or Rights, any 2ND Amendment, any gun control they want.

    Governor Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, and the “New York Times” don’t want gun control. They already have the most draconian gun control outside of California and Massachusetts. Governor Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, and the “New York Times” want gun confiscation.

    What can the average citizen do against such tyrants?

    • Dead Meat says:

      “Whether the mask is labeled fascism, democracy, or dictatorship of the proletariat, our great adversary remains the apparatus—the bureaucracy, the police, the military. Not the one facing us across the frontier of the battle lines, which is not so much our enemy as our brothers’ enemy, but the one that calls itself our protector and makes us its slaves. No matter what the circumstances, the worst betrayal will always be to subordinate ourselves to this apparatus and to trample underfoot, in its service, all human values in ourselves and in others.”.
      —Simone Weil

    • Deplorable Neal Jensen says:

      Umm… They all breath the same air, if that helps… They ain’t immortal, all that is lacking is determination to fix it.. Oh wait… Someone elses responsibility.. I forget.

  20. anon2 says:

    I have mentioned this kind of thing several times. The “wheat berry storing” crowd again scoffed at the idea of being mindful of what is said on the internet. Once something is on the internet, it is forever out of your control. Social media will be the last “nail” in the coffin for lots of people at some point in time.

    • Stuart says:

      I too have tried to warn people on this very site boasting about how they would kill if such and such happens or how much ammo they have buried at their BOL. I especially love their clairvoyance about loosing all their guns in a canoe accident. That self incriminating braggadocio will never accrue to their benefit and may very well come back to haunt them one day. People just can’t seem to keep their mouth shut.

    • The Deplorable Renegade says:

      Anon2, good points, but on social media that’s only for the idiots that use it. Social media is one worry I don’t have since I don’t use it.

  21. Beaumont says:

    Daisy said, “Now, for those of you sitting there saying, “That’s fine, I don’t use social media and I use Duck Duck Go or StartPage” this is great – for now.”

    Non-participators will not have met Adams’ and Parker’s qualifications. It’s like a credit history.

  22. john stiner says:

    Soooooo…..

    Would PORN searches exclude you from buying a gun?

  23. moses strongbear says:

    You are a free people or you are not If you are so weak and spineless as to put up with tyranny then you will get tyranny They may chrome plate your chains but you will wear chains and bow your head when the elite drive by. dont forget to take off your hat when you bow to the ruling class. They know so much more than you so be thankful they consent to rule you

  24. moses strongbear says:

    Gives tremendous power to the SPLC which finds racists under every rock,. Focus on the family is a terrorist group they say as an example. Visit that site and no gun for you sucker. Restricts freedom of speech and simple freedom of thought . makes you self police your speech by intimdation. America awake the enemy is inside the gate

  25. Stuart says:

    “any other issue deemed necessary by the investigating officer.”

    This sort of overly broad, vague stupidity is exactly what gets these laws struck down. I am grateful the morons included it.

  26. Maranatha says:

    Let’s estimate that there’s 327 million Americans citizens.
    80% are in urban zones.
    65.4 million are rural folks.
    Mostly from that number are the 2% who are preppers 6.54 million.

    If you read and participate here, you are just about never are going to get meaningful political representation but you can somewhat get sheriffs to back you up in places like rural Western Kentucky. Many rural sheriffs state they will NOT allow illegal firearm confiscation…not on their watch.

    Your best bet is to get away from the cities and move to very rural places where you generally are left alone. Heck, if the SHTF and you had to employ cowboy justice here, the sheriff would likely think you’re possibly deputy material.

  27. Maranatha says:

    That’s why Johhny Ringo backpedals at first when facing Doc Holliday in Tombstone. Also note he calls him a “lunger” because Doc had bad tuberculosis. Many folks went out west because they created pamphlets telling tall tales about the miracle cure of the air. Some lungers actually lived in Mammoth Cave KY for the same crazy reason.

  28. Deplorable Neal Jensen says:

    All the modern legal plagues originated in traitorous blue zones and subsequently infected sane people through cognitive dissonance. Democrap perfected technique. It jellied red zone spines too.

  29. the blame-e says:

    I still don’t think you guys know who you are dealing with here.

    During the Great Depression there was no need for gun control. All the guns had been pawned to pay for a hot meal, or a hot bath, or good night’s sleep indoors.

    The same thing is going to happen with the next Great Depression, because that’s part of the plan, too. What’s different is the outright contempt the Ruling Class and these Progressive Socialist Democrats have for the people.

    They don’t need gun control to achieve their gun confiscation ends. Gun control with them is just an exercise in power and ego talking. All they need to do is bring on the next full-on systemic collapse and the Pawn Shops will collect all the guns out there. Your $5,000 geared-up and ammoed-up AR won’t even be worth a Starbucks latte. And that’s just to add insult to contempt.

    Your Middle Class is gone. There was no Middle Class yet during the Great Depression; just a Working Class. When the next collapse comes there won’t even be a Working Class. The robots will be doing all the work for free. Just the way the Ruling Class wants.

    You really don’t know who you are dealing with. The US government — the strongest, the mightiest, the most powerful government in history — isn’t strong enough to deal with all these unelected, rogue billionaires, like George Soros.

    Think about that.

  30. TommyD says:

    I predict the new Dem congress will pass national Red Flag laws and the moderate Senate and Trump will pass it after the next Fake shooting. I don’t think they mind people having guns, just certain people.

  31. Maranatha says:

    If the SHTF, we can easily make our own homemade shotguns, and they will be guns to get better guns as we get the drop on the enemy.

    But the Luciferians know they can never ever control firearms and get compliance, so what will happen is strict control of reloading supplies and ammunition sales. Watch for it in this new sea change in Congress.

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