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    They Come For the Ammo: New Bill Would Require Background Checks for “Explosive Materials”

    Mac Slavo
    April 26th, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    Never one to let a crisis go to waste, Senator Harry Reid has introduced a new bill that would require background checks for anyone purchasing “explosive materials” or “powders” commonly used to manufacture ammunition and fireworks.

    The Boston bombers utilized black powder sourced from common fireworks to manufacture the bombs that left 3 people dead and scores wounded in the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since September 11th.

    Senator Frank Lautenberg, who wrote the bill, claims the incident in Boston, “shows that background checks are needed for explosive materials.”

    “It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosive powders without a background check or any questions asked.”

    “Requiring a background check for an explosives permit is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our communities.”

    The purchase of black powder in amounts over 50 pounds already requires a background check, but the new bill would lower the thresholds and will also include “smokeless powders,” which are used for the production of ammunition.

    The move by Reid and Lautenberg, who both supported President Obama’s failed comprehensive national gun control overhaul last month, has Second Amendment advocates concerned. According to The Truth About Guns the language of the bill, which is yet to be made available, may place stringent restrictions on the purchase of certain quantities of ammunition:

    Depending on the bill’s language, it would include not only loose gunpowder (such as that used by handloaders) but could also cover standard ammunition cartridges.

    Lautenberg and Reid are trying to label these propellants as “explosives” in the wake of the Boston bombings and use that tragedy to limit general access to ammunition and reloading components . . .

    It’s a back door way to make gun ownership more difficult and possibly put smaller local ammunition manufacturers out of business.

    Because a potential terrorist could conceivably take apart ammunition and use the propellant to manufacture a bomb, ammunition purchases containing enough powder to exceed the new threshold set forth by the bill will likely require a federal background check, similar to purchasing a firearm.

    Reid and Lautenberg will also give the Attorney General power to forbid the sale of explosive powders to anyone who is believed to be purchasing it for the purpose of terrorism, a term that has been broadly defined in contemporary America to include anyone who may have second amendment oriented views, reads survival literature, home schools their kids, prefers precious metals over centrally printed Federal Reserve notes, or expresses a fear of big government.

    The bill may never make it past committee, but it introduces a dangerous new strategy that shifts the gun-control focus away from firearms and targets gun accessories, magazines, and ammunition.

    Hat tip Steve Quayle

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    1. JustOneGuy says:

      It is becoming plain to even those Blind that the efforts of the Left…and the RIGHT as well, center on reducing the American population to a class which is physically incapable of effecting it’s own self-defence.

      As such, as we have all asked oursleves here time and again…Why?

      Tis not difficult to see through this to what lies beneath the waters…the recent voice-vote RECALL of the ‘STOCK’ act…which was passed by both Houses of the Congress , Publically in an OVERWHELMING Majority while THEY were under media scrutiny, the act which precludes them from using ‘Insider knowledge’ to enrich themeselves each and every time that any legislation serves to disturb the Markets…that same act which THEY recalled QUIETLY on a Friday session just before LEAVING for the WEEKEND, indicates but one thing alone…

      That THEY are not now, nor have they been before…nor will THEY EVER ‘Play the Game’ by the Rules which WE are bound to…and HENCE, they are fully engaged in THIEVERY on a scale so Grand that it beggars the imagination… HOW WILL THEY KEEP those ‘ill-gotten’ gains?

      Answer: Simple, YOU will NOT have the ability to retrieve thier ‘spoils’ from them…THEY wil have ALL the means to defend themselves…you will have none.
      Reposted AGAIN and AGAIN…

      At every turn, the impetus of thier efforts is CLEARLY seen to be to REMOVE your RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS…to make you fully the ‘lesser’.

      Who here does NOT know this?

      My contempt for the Congress of this United States of Oligarchy is NOW complete…

      JOG

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      • I tend to think that our representatives wouldn’t be entertaining any of this crap if their constituents were really against it.

        The problem lies with the people who voted them in in the first place.

        Believe me, I’m in New York. I had a pro second amendment conversation with a friend in a diner a couple of weeks ago. Everyone who happened to overhear it looked at us like we were murderers. I’m surprised nobody called the cops.

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        • It's getting very weird says:

          Lesson learned, know who your true friends are.

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        • durango kidd says:

          I think everyone should be able to buy dynamite, not just miners. I mean, Why not? Where the harm?

          Fire in the hole! :-)

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          • HEY when I was a kid every farmer had a dynaimite shed out in one of their fields,now with the new scared of their own shadow americans,who think their government cares about them,and are decieved,this is the tip of the ice burg,soon ferilizer will be outlawed,and you’ll have to use democrate shit on your garden….man, I don’t know about that…………

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          • Plain Old American says:

            The government gets its authority to govern from the consent of those governed, meaning you and me. You cannot, and I cannot delegate any authority to the government which we do not possess as an individual. Therefore, if you are only allowed a 5 shot 22 cal revolver then the defense dept. is likewise restricted to the same weapon. OTH if you’ve got the bucks and the skill to fly it you have every right to own an F-15 or B1-B Lancer.

            Enjoy!

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      • KY Mom says:

        ‘HOMELAND’ USING 1,000 MORE ROUNDS PER PERSON — THAN ARMY?

        Denies Ammunition Purchases Aimed at Civilians

        Drudge Report

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        • Gregory8 says:

          KY Mom: DHS may be buying a lot of ammo but they don’t “give” extra ammo for folks to take home. The primary weapon of issue to officers and agents of Customs and Border Protection-DHS, which includes ICE, is the H&K P2000 .40 cal. Range qualification were 3x a year and were going back to 4x. Each person is given 2 boxes of 50 rounds of FMJ for qualification and they must also use their old HP rounds as well. After qulification the are given new HP rounds. That means 3 magazines at 12 rounds plus one in the chamber equaling 37 rounds total they take from the range. Mathematically that’s 548 total rounds used, not stored, per year per person.

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          • Rodster says:

            Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunition

            “Friday, April 26, 2013

            WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) and Congressman Frank Lucas (R-OK-3) today introduced in their respective chambers the Ammunition Management for More Obtainability (AMMO) Act of 2013. The legislation would require the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to conduct a report on the purchasing of ammunition by federal agencies, except the Department of Defense, and its effect on the supply of ammunition available to the public. The AMMO Act would restrict agencies from obtaining additional ammunition for a six-month period if current agency stockpiles are higher than its monthly averages prior to the Obama Administration.

            “President Obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding Americans’ access and opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment rights,” said Inhofe. “One way the Obama Administration is able to do this is by limiting what’s available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition. As the public learned in a House committee hearing this week, the Department of Homeland Security has two years worth of ammo on hand and allots nearly 1,000 more rounds of ammunition for DHS officers than is used on average by our Army officers. The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”

            “After hearing from my constituents about the shortage of ammunition in Oklahoma and the Department of Homeland Security’s profligate purchases of ammunition,” said Lucas. “We have introduced the AMMO Act of 2013 to curtail these purchases so Americans can exercise their Second Amendment rights without being encumbered by the federal government. I was surprised to find out the DHS has the right to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years, while it already has two years worth of ammo already. This is an issue that must be addressed, and I am pleased this legislation provides us the opportunity to do so.”

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            • KP89DC says:

              Let’s hope this gets the attention thats needed to get something positive doen, however I’m not at all confident in the elected officials.

              Molon Labe

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      • Rodster says:

        How about we ban the sale of ammo to US Govt for suspicion of potential terrorist activity against it’s own people when SHTF? ;)

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      • Rodster says:

        America, you want to see your future? Take a LONG HARD Look at those para-military SWAT teams storming homes in Boston without a warrant and confiscating weapons that were found in those homes.

        That is YOUR future! ;)

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        • AkCoyote says:

          When SHTF, there had better be more than 12 of them if they break down my door.

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        • Indy Colts says:

          I know a lot of people say if they come to my home I’m not giving up my arms… Let me tell you, I WILL NOT GIVE MY ARMS AND AMMO!!! If more people take this stand we can hopefully make a difference or atleast open a few eyes.

          I haven’t heard they were taking firearms from the searches. Every generation of my family has fought for this country and I’m not willing to end up defenseless in a Fema camp. I’ll tell the wife to take the dog and go to my parents house because its about to get real in Indiana. I hope to never have to engage any human but my countries constituation says I have rights no matter what the commies try to pass.

          Don’t trust any member of the government because both parties act like they are fighting for us; but its all a show because policy is made behind closed doors with a bottle and a handshake. Very few can be trusted.
          Sorry for the rant but no one else I know cares so I figure atleast people here are awake!!!

          GOD BLESS and 7.62 x 39 might save your life!!!

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            I hear ya and feel the pain too, it seems like so many dont get it, is almost just depressing,
            Then when SHTF theyll all be running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Crazy shit.

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        • Anonymous says:

          Here’s the thing. They may get the first few homes they go to but as soon as folks start hearing of this, they need to grab their guns and go “support” their neighbors. If TPTB can do it one at a time we are screwed. If we band together when it happens and resist collectively they can’t touch us.

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        • It's getting very weird says:

          Please show the link where they were confiscation weapons. I hadn’t heard that one. Thanks

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        • swampratt says:

          RODSTER stop looking at their holywood costumes and look at whats exposed FACE,NECK NUTS ETC ONE WELL PLACED SHOT AND THEY WILL DROP

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          • Plain Old American says:

            A center of mass hit with a 300 Win Mag, 375 H&H or 338 Lapua and they’re not going anywhere.

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            • A kevlar jacket that stops gangbanger pistol bullets won’t even slow down a 180g FMJ traveling about 2900 FPS. It goes through the leading side, the traitor, the trailing side, and through the traitor in front of him.

              I pray for the families.

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        • jreb says:

          Not if you make your home unfriendly to forced entry and dont answer the door. Your doors can open outwards (everyones should) alarms that blair loudly upon a panic button or a alarm system set off. YOU CANT FORM WORDS CORRECTLY when volume is so high you cant hear yourself, this makes it impossible for the person breaking in to bark orders or talk to each other. These are two things that are cheap and can be done by almost anyone, but be creative, and put yourself into a situation that someone wants in and see what you can do to stop it without building booby traps to phyiscally harm.

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      • soapdish says:

        So very true!

        Now, they are also trying to work out a bill that will not require them (535 smucks, from having to buy into the all mighty Health care plan. They also want to have non of their cabinet people have to buy into it also. They claim it will hurt there aides pocket books to much and they might loose good people to another business.

        Another pure sign that they think of themselves as being above the people, not for the people.

        I no longer think of the citizens as sheeple, but as frogs, because they seem to want to just sit in the nice relaxing water as our so called leaders keep increasing the heat oh so gradually till they(frogs),have COOKED!

        B Aware, B Awake, B Alive
        I wonder, what will it take for the rest to awake?

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        @JOG…

        What you are describing is a feudal system. A system where you have the “elites” who make the laws and have all the weapons, and the “serfs”, who have whatever the “elites” think they “need” to have….whether it be food, shelter, land….whatever.

        I refer to it as “neo-feudalism”….but it’s just the same old system as was established and practiced in Europe during the middle-ages and one of the primary reasons THE FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY LEFT THERE TO COME HERE. In this case, there is no king, but a “ruling class”….an oligarchy. And as JOG has stated, they are not bound by the rules that the set for everyone else. If that is not a feudal system, then I don’t know what is. And I believe it is more onerous than the one that the founders of this country rebelled against. The British Crown certainly exacted less in taxes.

        The process by which they have brought us to this point has been long. It really started during the Civil War…was codified by Wilson and the bankster cartel in 1913….picked up pace during Roosevelt’s administration and is now close to being fully implemented.

        Included in this process has been the dumbing-down of the American populace so that they are willing to have the chains placed upon them. In fact….they are beyond willing to the point of actually asking to be enslaved.

        There are those however, who will not be bowed or chained. And this is why I have frequently said that civil war is coming. The American Revolution was our first civil war, because it was by no means a unanimous uprising. This will be our third civil war. The tyrants know it is coming. And that is why they are preparing by both purchasing ammo and seeking to disarm the population. And they are also running dress rehearsals…like the operation we witnessed this past week in Boston.

        How it will all end is unknown. What IS known, is that the winners will write the history books.

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        • JustOneGuy says:

          XXXXX

          Good Morning Walt,

          How goes it for you today Friend?

          Indeed, your analysis of the current state of affairs is flawless, IMHO. “NeoFeudalism” is exactly what it would appear that such as our memebers of Congress have in mind as thier “Final Solution” to THIER problems with a ‘Fractuous Citizenry’ does it not?

          I am of the same opinion as you Sir, clearly…I am here reminded – directly – of the words of the Founder, Thomas Jefferson,

          “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

          At this juncture I can scarce beleive that there remains Hope that those who have enriched themselves upon the American Bounty, will willingly lay down that Priviledged place where they are come to be such that Peace may be realized among the People…

          As such then, with a heavy Heart, I conclude that “duty will soon call”…the same duty Mr Jeffesrson speaks of as quoted above.

          JOG *UNSPEAKABLY DISGUSTED*

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        • vincent says:

          Walt has nailed it!

          Although, as others have suggested, it is not just the dumbing down, but the DRUGGING DOWN of our population. THey want to start with kids as young as 4! Add in the THC and alcohol (England has a serious problem with booze and underaged drinking too) and you have chemically impaired voters. What if we had a Greek-style collapse, and those SSRI drugs were suddenly unavailable (along with crucial medications for real health issues)? The sudden withdrawal from the SSRI compounds could cause a small percentage of these folks to become deranged…

          But when you go to the shopping centers and see so many slouchy, passive metrosexual males with iPhones and earbuds, do you really think there would be much resistance to the DHS troopers? How many suburbanites would protest as they are “evacuated” to “safe zones” and assistance centers? Forget the urban welfare mobs. They will eagerly wait for the uniformed “heros” to herd them to “safety”.

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        • Parts of FUSA will be free, but the struggle will be endless.

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        • @WaltKowalski-

          and please explain to me WHO will be fighting WHO in this “Civil War” you predict.

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      • Rodster says:

        The Senate will introduce a Bill to keep the Gubmint from stockpiling Ammo. About damn time someone stood up to these Statist bastards. :twisted:

        Inhofe, Lucas Introduce Bill Limiting Federal Agencies From Stockpiling Ammunition

        http://www.inhofe.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/inhofe-lucas-introduce-bill-limiting-federal-agencies-from-stockpiling-ammunition

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      • Ramadiron says:

        I called this one! I had a gut feeling they would go after reloading powder. And you know how I knew that? Because thats what I would have done if I were them.
        Prep #351 Know your enemy!

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        • dee bee says:

          I did too!! If you want to know what their next step will be, just read the book “Mein Kampf”.

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        • Walt Kowalski says:

          Yep….if you want to know what the tyrants will do, you simply have to ask yourself what you would do if you were them. Of course, you have to drive any sense of human decency from your mind to do that.

          If you’ve ever read any of John Douglas’ books (former head of the FBI’s behavioral sciences), you learn that in order to catch a serial killer, you have to get into the killer’s mind….learn to think the way they think. The same principle applies with the psychopaths we have running our government.

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        • All these fools screaming about learning to reload as if cartridge kits were going to be left untouched. The only reason that area hasn’t been attacked heavily sooner is that they thought they couldn’t go that far. With the FF event in Boston, they have created the crisis they were looking for.

          Fineswine is now using Buttplug Biden’s line about a shotgun, as if she has any intention of leaving those in your posession. The idea of “giving up a little” is what’s gotten us to where we are today.

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        • AR15 Bob says:

          hats what I said to my wife I would have done the same thing,big part of my preps powder, primers,brass bullets, and lots of it.

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      • snake eater says:

        BAAA BAAA BAAA,,black sheep,,come home,,,aunt erma has a home cooked meal,,,,E&E to 305,741,,,

        snake

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      • sixpack says:

        There’s really only one question left to ask: WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT?

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      • Anonymous says:

        Gasoline is VERY EXPLOSIVE.

        What if the next terrorist attack uses gasoline…. Background check to fill your cars tank !!!???

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      • tayronachan says:

        @JOG, after reading your post, I did a quick search and came across the following article. thx for the heads up.
        By Sakib Ahmed on April 26th, 2013
        “The STOCK Act, a law that was designed to stop insider trading among government officials, was gutted last week when a key part of the law was repealed unanimously by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama.”
        In Gutting The STOCK Act, Congress Plays By Its Own Rules · NYU Local

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      • Wickedjester says:

        the only way to beat cheaters is to cheat or “dispose” of them

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        • survivor727 says:

          There aren’t enough trees or light poles and rope for these bastards! Both republican and democrat which is why I call them republicrats. There is no difference. Laws and rules and regulations to keep the masses down and under control while they continue to rob, steal and plunder. Now they are trying to exempt themselves from Obamacare after they told us how great it was. I wish a meteor would take out the entire city of DC! Unfortunately that would never happen. This is going to come down to a long, protracted civil war.

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      • survivor727 says:

        People used to ask what the government could do FOR them. Increasingly, average Americans are now asking what their government is going to do TO them! I am frequently amused when RINO Republicans and Democrats talk about “reaching across the aisle” and doing truly “bi-partisan” work to pass legislation. Let me tell you something, GRIDLOCK IS THE BEST THING FOR AMERICA! YES, GRIDLOCK! Because when Congress is passing legislation it is ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS screwing the average American. We should welcome gridlock!

        One need only look at Obamacare and its thousands of pages that NO ONE INCLUDING OBAMA ever bothered to read, not to mention the thousands and thousands of new regulations that must now be written by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

        We have a massive push for “immigration reform” while at the same time we now know that the US Government is actually PUSHING Mexicans to come to America, illegally for Foodstamps!!!! I couldn’t believe it!

        “Gun control,” Obamacare, immigration reform, all of this president’s agenda has been and is about one thing: CONTROL! It goes back to Bush with the Patriot Act. The sad part is that 80% of Americans either don’t care, aren’t interested or are zombified by the mainstream “news.” Of course. If you can’t get their guns, get their ammunition! Makes perfect sense.

        The time is coming when people are going to have to make a choice. Live free or live like a pet in a pet store.

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    2. Blueshoter says:

      Screw Reid and the Corporate Representatives in office .
      time is coming folks that they will be removed from office, Just give it a little more time.

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      • Be informed says:

        First they buy up all the ammo, then they make you jump through hoops to be able to reload and make your own ammunition. This country is in trouble, everybody should be waiting for the next ‘backdoor’ sneaking way they will try to disarm the people. Our freedoms are being eaten away daily. These suckers want to put the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment into a coffin, collapse of future freedom is nationwide. Now I am throughly depressed tonight. We all saw this coming. :(

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Im with you guys,
          This is almost surreal, like something from Ayan Rand,
          Time for a purging, i just dont give a shot anymore, somethings gotta give.
          MOLON LABE

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        • stymie says:

          I would urge all shotgun owners to purchase ammo now as it is not in short supply and the price has not gone up, especially target loads.

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          • d...b says:

            Did you know most low base shotgun shells use the same or similar powder as 9mm, 40, and 45acp/LC. but the shotshell holds alot more. A experienced reloader with a chrongraph could disassemble a shotshell and work up some usable loads under a emergency. Popular shot shell powders still available that are used in pistols today…IMR 700x, 800x, red dot, blue dot, and hodgedon universal clays. disclaimer… research this. If you are inexperienced DONT DO IT. you will blow up your gun by too hot a load, or the bullet wont make it all the way down the barrel and the next round will blow up your gun and you.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Along the lines of what your talking about,
              Been fooling around loading shot shells, been getting creative with what im loading with, using an old mossy slider for testing, as long as you stick to basic recipes as far as grains of powder and weight of load you can stick almost anything in them, even the wad can be creative,, have loaded 1-1/2 oz of 3/8 rock, 1-3/4 oz of small nuts and clipped up machine screws, 1-3/4oz of carpet tacks, one of my favorites was 2-1/4 oz of 1″ finish nails neatly stacked into the shell, at 25-50 yds they would ALL be extremely deadly and you can use almost any of the faster powders from about H110 on up to Red dot as long as you stay close to conservative recipes. Its not rocket science for the shotguns, as for handguns and building loads, i would be careful, especially with polymer framed guns like glocks, not real forgiving if you load too hot.

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            • no justice says:

              I’ve loaded red dot into .357, .41, and .44 magnum med range loads for years. Look into older reloading books for data. A pound of red dot goes forever, and if anyone says it’s not strong enough ask if they want to stand 20 yards in front of it.

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        • Fed Guy 20002 says:

          Be Informed

          Hunting you down…What if anything do you know about the fault that runs thru GA and SC ending up in the Charleston SC area…I think the last quake Charleston had was in around 1890 maybe?…Anyway seems to be several small quakes 2.8 (last night) and several over the last few months etc in the GA SC area just wondering what you thought in regards to another large one being due in the Charleston area?…

          Thanks,
          Fed Guy 20002

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Fed Guy 20002. August 31, 1886 was when a 6.6 to 7.3 hit Charleston. It is very interesting to note that if you take a flat piece of string or tape measurer on a globe and floowing the eastern thrust border of the Caribbean plate you have it continue right through Charleston. This Caribbean plate is not that large but highly influnced the Midwest (New Madrid fault) and the eastern seacoast fault region such as the one in South Carolina. This area of South Carolina gets a very high seismic risk rating, almost as high as the New Madrid area. It is capable of a mid 7 to maybe a 7.7 or 7.8.

            Since there was no equipment to register what hit back in 1886, speculations of mid 6 to low 7 about what hit. The Waether Channel did a show on this, It Could Happen Tommorow. This is a fault region that about 150 years or so I very large quake occurs. Could the 1886 quake be considered very large? 6.6, no. 7.3, yes. Probably not a real hazard until what starts up south of the region. 127 years is not really that long as compared to say 201 years for the New Madrid, 313 years for the Cascadia and the Souther San Andreas.

            Honestly what I would worry a lot about is the eastern and northern sections of the Caribbean plate going. This section last broke about 600 years ago and is just a little bit smaller than the Japanese fault system that produced the 9.0 and a massive tsunami. The real issue with the Atlantic and Gulf Coast areas is the shallow shelf offshore. Tsunamis really build in size in shallow water. On top of this you can have a funnelling effect by the shape of the coastline.

            Charleston to Daytona Beach, Florida have a concave shape to the coastline like a spoon. The water is very shallow out to about 80-120 miles. WHEN a mega thrust earthquake occurs, which it will like the past, the tsunami that will roll up on the coast will be horrible. Even something 1000-1200 miles away could still generate a tsunami 30 feet+. It is absoltuely soemthing to think about WHEN you here of ANY 7.5+ in the Caribbean sea. While a 7.5 would likely not generate anything that large where you are, it could still cause some problems to boats. A 8.5+ and I would not be within 2 miles of the coast.

            The amount of destruction in a Charleston quake that is below 7 could be severe, above 7, and you have problems. Like in quake prone areas, the anchoring of the supports around the house can make a lot of difference. It is not that expensive but it is time consuming. Any joist, where beams connect to other beams should have metal brackets. Wood is very pliable and elastic, as you can see how trees sway much distance in the wind. It is where the wood supports are connected to other supports without good sturdy metal brackets is where they come apart and the house falls down during mass movements.

            I cannot stress enough how important it is to avoid fires by securing the hot water heater and if you have gas to have a special wrench to immediate turn off the gas. People are in shock after earthquakes and one of the number one concerns with be fire. The next is glass. I have know several people that have had their feet tore to shreds by the piles of glass after a quake. Shoes and be aware on this is very important. Fallen power lines are also something to think about.

            Thankfully though such a quake in your area will not be for hundreds of miles and more isolated event. Still something to absolutely prepare for. I would start with the foundation of the home and all supports, and secure them well. A couple hundred dollars worth of prevention can save tens of thousands of dollars worth of repairs and save lives and very bad injuries. By the way, the little quakes are not necessarily something to worry about. I would be more concerned right now from a trigger from what is south of you.

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          • hillbilly SC says:

            Hey Fed…

            Here is a link for some info on the SC quake.

            http://www.scearthquakes.com/

            Never much thought about it, until I came here and read BI’s posts. :)

            Had to change/add a few of my prep’s based on his info.

            With us being in the Golden Corner just a stones throw from Dukes 3 main reactors you start to think about different levels of being prepared.

            Hope it helps and keep up the great info BI.

            Y’all play nice and enjoy the weekend.:)

            hillbilly SC

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        • The present regime is hoping they have time to go after us one house (now one city) at a time before we wake up, or there is some major event they can’t control.

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      • skittle shittin unicorn says:

        WHEN!!!

        i have been trying for 3 years to get that senile old shit out of office

        When! will he be gone

        I want him out now and i mean now !

        he must go

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    3. Simple says:

      I wonder if there’s a war going on behind closed doors in our govt. Ex. FBI vs CIA
      DHS va ?

      Dems vs Repubs.

      Funny.. all the repubs are NRA members.
      Shit..we should just take over…what are the unarmed dems going to do. ha
      Think about it.
      Fire up the fema camps.
      I’m joking here.

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      • sixpack says:

        For all of the Mormons out there, allow me to present the words of: The Testimony Of President Boyd K. Packer, General Conference, April 2013. There can be no greater warning…

        “There came into my mind the warnings spoken by the prophets. We will not always be safe from the adversary’s influence, even within our own homes. We need to protect our nestlings.

        We live in a very dangerous world that threatens those things that are most spiritual. The family, the fundamental organization in time and eternity, is under attack from forces seen and unseen. The adversary is about. His objective is to cause injury. If he can weaken and destroy the family, he will have succeeded”.

        He goes on to say: “Tolerance is a virtue, but like all virtues, when exaggerated, it transforms itself into a vice. We need to be careful of the “tolerance trap” so that we are not swallowed up in it. The permissiveness afforded by the weakening of the laws of the land to tolerate legalized acts of immorality does not reduce the serious spiritual consequence that is the result of the violation of God’s law of chastity”.

        And finally, Mr. Packer states: “Each of us must stay in condition to respond to inspiration and the promptings of the Holy Ghost. The Lord has a way of pouring pure intelligence into our minds to prompt us, to guide us, to teach us, and to warn us. Each son or daughter of God can know the things they need to know instantly. Learn to receive and act on inspiration and revelation”.

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        • 0311 says:

          The Mormon is spot on. It’s time to make peace with Jesus Christ. We are going to need the full armor of God to stand against the pure evil the awaits us. I don’t know what it will take to wake up the masses. Keep prepping and have a plan A,B and C. God bless each one of you for posting all the prep ideas and articles.

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          • sixpack says:

            Even if you aren’t Mormon, or especially religious for that matter, his words make perfect sense. It helps me to know that even more people are awake than I thought. I thought Mormons were pretty compartmentalized and indifferent…it seems they are not.

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          • CrabbeNebulae says:

            I made peace with Jesus years ago. He told me to stock up on food, guns, ammo, water, firewood, tools and more guns and ammo just for kicks. I’ve been doing that for over thirty years. I often wonder what guided me to accumulate ten plus cords of firewood (I don’t even use more than a couple racks a year) with racks (2-3 racks to a cord) placed in strategic points around my place. Folks!!! There’s an extinction level event coming to America soon, many will perish… on both sides and many will choose the wrong side. I think satan has bitten off more than he can chew.

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          • JayJay says:

            Sixpack, your post does answer the much asked question I see many times…will the Mormons/Mennonites/Amish be setting ducks in a SHTF scenario??

            Everyone wants what they want when they want it…it’s why the devil is winning.

            Maranatha.

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            • Not so Much says:

              I posted a few articles ago that Mormons DONT prepare with food like their church tells them to however, Mormons LOVE thier guns and they love hunting.

              Sitting ducks? nah.

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              • JayJay says:

                My dh bought me a youth 20 gauge, single shot shotgun from an Amish.
                He has lots of guns and expressed Amish will defend their families if provoked.

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        • The devil goes about like that of a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

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        • Indy Colts says:

          No one wants to hear it but the bible says: GOD put all leaders in place and we are not to speak evil against the ruler of our people. Read the book of Daniel and see how evil king nebakanezer was. GOD used him for his own glory in the end. This maybe GODS plan to end the World and bring on the tribulation period.

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          • sixpack says:

            I believe God was assuming our “rulers” were also decent, God-fearing people when he proclaimed that we should not speak evil of them…However, I don’t believe he means we shouldn’t speak evil of EVIL. Think about that next time you bust out your scriptures.

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            • Indy Colts says:

              The rulers in the Bible were pretty much all evil except a few. If GOD meant for you to speak evil against bad rulers he would have said so. SHOW ME THAT SCRIPTURE!!! Your interpretation is probably influenced by a six pack so I’m not going to argue with alcohol.

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          • swampratt says:

            INDY he also said those who worship the dragon which gave
            power to the beast OBAMA MUST BE AND ANGEL????????

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          • Smokey says:

            I’m not going to trust in anyone’s interpretation that this is God’s Will or something like that. If Obama is Nebukhanezzer, who is Daniel? If that’s the plan, it’s short by a half.

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          • skinny moose says:

            Why would God not want people to expose evil even if that evil were our so called leaders. Is God against calling a spade a spade?

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      • Smart1intheroom says:

        Harry Reed says What!

        “It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can walk ( across the boarder in America and then ) into a store in America and buy explosive powders without a background check or any questions asked.”

        “Requiring a background check for an explosives permit is a small price to pay to ensure the safety of our communities.”

        I guess they can select what is smart or insane and then make a law about it which they can then decide to inforce or not.

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        • Justice says:

          It defies common sense that a camel humping raghead from Saudi Arabia is visited by the First Whatever she is from the white house who was suspected of being a bomber then not being a bomber and on a Terrorist watch list. We have been sold down the river and mammy aint going to help us !

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          • The deportation prosecc sometimes drage on for years, unless there is an unscheduled meeting with w Saudi FM, in which the president personally signs your deportation order. Then the process can be completed within hours. How many “persons of interest” can expect a hospital stay to include a visit by the first sheeboon?

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        • Smokey says:

          What he should have said was :

          “It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can, a year after being investigated by the FBI for terrorist ties, walk into a store in America, without having been deported.”

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      • no justice says:

        You’re not joking, that’s the truth.

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      • All CONgress critters are fools if they think they’re not in Obama’s sights.

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    4. Mark 7:9 says:

      Recall that Reid’s father committed suicide using a gun.

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      • tired of nys bs says:

        Guess he got tired of Harry’s bs

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      • Roger 10:4 says:

        Must have blown his brains out and it now runs in the family.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        We can only hope, “Like father, like son”.

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        • Enemy of the State says:

          The Puppet Prez , All Members of Congress , the Senate , the Puppet Vice Prez and All Federal Employees should be required to be Pre-Screened for Psychopathic Sociopath Criminal Behavior an take a Polygraph Exam as well as a Full Psych Exam Test before assuming Office or Employment .

          ;0P

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          • SmokinOkie says:

            I’m with you on that one. Test them all. And throw in a colonoscopy for good measure!

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            • Enemy of the State says:

              @SmokinOkie … Respect !!!

              truck drivers have to have mandatory drug testing … so should the zog puppet prez congress and all the rest of the zog fedgov crooks traitors an sellouts be tested .

              what’s good for the goose is … good for the gander .

              ;0P

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            • Most of them would enjoy that one too much.

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      • senile harry reid must go says:

        not sure when it was but maybe he caught a glimpse of what his worthless son would become
        the laughing stock of Rural Nevada and a pedophile. he had improper relations with his teen age baby sitter hired to watch his own children and she died in a car accident ( shades of Ted Kennedy ? )he has used his office to get his worth less son a plum job in henderson Nv as the city attorney even when other more qualified people were available.and then lied about his influence

        he is hated in the Mormon community and allegedly had his genitals anointed in salt lake by the church elders.
        and then sold there asses down the river.
        he most likely doesn’t even go to church any more .
        he was the most corrupt Gaming control board official that Nevada has ever seen and is how he got elected to the senate by Cutting back door deals with the major casinos. look at who supports him and you can see who he cut his deals with. also SEIU and the other unions are backing him because of the Obummer Machine

        Google his crooked land deal in Arizona if you want more info allegedly he profited by almost 2 million dollars
        under the table $50 thousand above board and semi legal
        now you know how he can be a poor senator from rural Nevada

        he has prostituted him self to the Nra for campaign funds all while selling out the rights of gun owners.
        he thinks income tax is voluntary try not paying your income tax and get back to me in 10 to 15 years.
        he built a gun park in Las Vegas that is 1 to 2 million per year in debt all for a few votes from the Whore NRA
        Not one penny from me to this lying back stabbing bastards.

        Look for New york and Chicago to do a test run on the law being proposed. Bloomberg should be the first if history goes right.Schummer should also back an attempt on the state level if not the nation wide bill
        and it needs to be defeated now

        PLEASE e mail and write inhofe PLEASE help him get his bill passed other wise REID will be the death of all gun owners.if you ever want to buy ammo or reloading gear you will help Get rid of Reid.

        HE MUST BE RETIRED and placed in a home for the criminally insane

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    5. Enemy of the State says:

      take away my powder ???

      first go ahead an try see what happens .

      second if my supply runs out …

      i’ll just make my own and some other things that go boom .

      what most folks fail to realize is your every day household cleaner agents and other common compounds right around your home or neighborhood are the basic ingredients for gun powder .

      the recipes directions for such home made brews are right online .

      All they’re doin’ now is Pissen’ Real Freedom Luvin’ AmeriCans Off !

      Predator or Prey of the NWO ZOG … Choice is Yours !

      ;0P

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      • slingshot says:

        These Congress critters are some of the most stupid people in the world, and I’m being nice here.

        What about Gas, Propane, Pain thinners and yes, all that stuff that sits in the work cabinets of America.

        I am to the point to tell them, Go Fuck Themselves. Ooooppppps! Already did.

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      • Justice says:

        Been a long time since I heard anybody use the acronym ZOG, Zionistic Occupation Government. Funny but I don’t think that the Zionists are behind the visible collapsing of our country. It wouldn’t be in their best interest to loose the financial support.

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      • Gonetoolong says:

        This is right, They will need to place Americans in a padded room for us to not “backdoor” our way into putting up a fight. Americans can prove to be very resourceful when push comes to shove.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Im telling you, hydraulic powered air cannons are the wave of the future,,,,

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          • 22Mission says:

            Yessirree Kulafarmer .
            YouTube has made a believe outta me .
            Talking about defensive perimeter range .
            Incredible .
            Too bad we can’t fill them up with some b.s. and hurl it back at our so called representatives .
            Now that would be a true shyte storm …
            Take care
            NOMI
            Mission

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              You could, make a wad out of a big clorox bottle, cut slits in it and fill er up with bull pucky and voila, instant shit shooter, gives a whole new meaning to shootin the shit! Of course we would then get drug off to levenworth or some wonderful spot like that, but oh its fun to dream.

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          • Smokey says:

            110 volt rail guns, 15,000 fps velocity with a sabot round. Try regulating that.

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      • tayronachan says:

        Is that why my wife freaked out the other day when I was using some cleaners? “Don’t mix those together you idiot!!” (adjust the tone of voice to show a mix of scorn, idignation and other such emotions) gezzz.

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    6. Enemy of the State says:

      Why you MUST own Gold & Silver NOW. By Gregory Mannarino

      * also note just recently 13% of the global pm manufacturing supply just disappeared in a 2 mile wide land slide and in failed south american production contracts … is now gone bye bye for atleast 5 years . which means less and less available for the open market … prices on the real pm markets globally will be spiking potentially by 500% .

      GOT PHYZZ ? ;0P

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86mYa00hL-M

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      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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      • The link you provided unfortunately goes to a 404 error at this time.

        I believe this is the picture analysis you were referring to: http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/real-perps-in-the-boston-blast-found-2626320.html

        Please note that there are literally tens of thousands of news stories and independent analyses being performed daily on every topic one can imagine. I’d love to put it all out there, but unfortunately I do not have the resources to do so.

        The comment section here, where you have been free to post your personal opinions and links, is an excellent place to find breaking news and valuable alternative resources (such as the pictures you posted)… The overwhelming majority of the insights, news and novel ideas on this web site come not from me, but the community.

        Please also see http://www.TheDailySheeple.com for a web site I co-edit with others that is able to carry a much larger flow of news from around the US and the world, and features news, reports and commentary from some of the leading alternative media pipelines on the internet.

        If my intention was to cover up something for “Zionists,” as you have accused directly and indirectly for the last several days, then I suspect this conversation wouldn’t even be taking place, nor would your link have appeared.

        No single alternative news web site can cover it all. There are a ton of great sites out there, many of which we link to from our left sidebar under “Web Destinations” — please feel free to explore all of those information resources as well.

        Thanks,

        Mac

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        The link works, if there is any sort of inside job we will never know about it.
        There is no way to wake the masses, any of us who question are marked,

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      • Without getting into the Zionist aspect of this, I believe that certain parts of the bombing are suspect. The fellow that got his legs blown off seems to be an actor in this “made for the masses” theater. Having been in a very serious auto accident myself (with less blunt blood trauma than this fellow) I can say that he would NOT be up smiling with no IVs for photo ops in a week. He would not be riding around in his wheelchair giving gifts to other victims in 10 days. With all the blood loss he would have had at the scene he should be dead. Severed Femoral arteries cause bleed out within a couple minutes yet there is conspicuous(sp) lack of blood on the “rescuers” or blood trail. This guy is sitting up in his wheelchair holding his leg and is coherent. He is one of the last to be evacuated when others with lesser injuries are gurneyed out first. No gurney for this guy. He should be out of it in shock and not coherent. Don’t CERT drills use realistic injured actors? Someone commented on here about having experienced CERT training before. Perhaps they could chime in on this. Any EMTs…I would appreciate your take on this guy’s condition. Although the Sandy Hook narrative seemed a little off, I am really disturbed by the way the official story of this is being told. My tinfoil hat is really squeezing my head on this farce.

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        • elcid-77 says:

          Many traumatic amputations, especially blast injuries, result in little blood loss due to the act of blood vessels retracting when severed.Rules of triage dictate that patients with possible internal injuries (among many other conditions)take priority over amputations. As to the post trauma actions of this individual, pain tolerances vary dramatically among individuals and the lack of an apparent I.V. does not preclude I.V. therapy (or delivery of pain meds through I.V.)altogether. Hope this was helpful.

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          • 11 Bravo says:

            And not just pain tolerances, but factor in shock and adrenaline. I saw another photo of the same guy laying on the pavement before he was loaded in the wheelchair, and his legs were gone there as well. I think the guy pushing the chair in the cowboy hat used his belt for a tourniquet on the guy also.
            There is a lot of BS going on with Boston, this original Saudi suspect, even the dead kid in the river, but I don’t think that poor guy is one of them.

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          • sixpack says:

            Do they take precedence over bleeding out? My biggest question is, everyone gets on an adrenaline high in trauma situations like this, but that does not keep them from slipping into unconsciousness from loss of blood (which causes organ shutdown, BTW).

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        • JayJay says:

          JRS..that was my thinking as soon as I saw the pic oh him being pushed and the EMT beside hm..gosh, he sure is calm??

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          • Hey squirrel bait…I said I wasn’t talking about the Zionist aspect. I never mentioned Jews and I never do. Stick to the topic if you want to bash. It is your choice to believe what is broadcast. It is my choice to question it.

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          • ziglviet b schtoonk says:

            ” You and the rest of the Jew haters never cease to plum new lows. ”

            Who said anything about hate? We’re just working off the numbers and the facts pal. Who runs the fed? Who owns ALL of the mainstream media outlets. Which senators are pushing the hardest for gun control (hint: the dual Israeli citizen ones). What kind of person would change his name from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu. They’re just the facts buddy. And the facts do not escape us.

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            • Goyim Defamation League (GDL) says:

              Right on Ziglviet ! Stating facts does not make one a Jew hater. In fact, it is OFFENSIVE to be called an ‘ANTI-SEMITE’ at any mention of Jew related FACTS.

              Automatically calling someone an ANTI-SEMITE should be a hate crime itself and anyone who does this could be called a ‘GOYIM-HATER’.

              (except for the fact that those critical of the actions of Zionist Jews are often Jews themselves!!!).

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        • sixpack says:

          I’m glad somebody else sees that besides me. I’ve been a “first responder” to several accidents in my lifetime, and this guy in the wheelchair looks faked to me. For the love of Pete, it shows the jagged ends of his tibia and fibula without any muscle left—I call BS on that as well, from my own personal experiences.

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        • Smokey says:

          He’s not a fake, you need to try another line of thought. The bombs and the victims were real.

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    8. Enemy of the State says:

      California bill would let illegal immigrants serve on juries

      HUH?

      WTF?

      THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS !

      KEY WORD ” ILLEGAL ” … Throw them back over the damn fence . And they will be siting in a AmeriKan Court of Law in Commie Cali judging Real Natural Born American Citizens … WTF?

      Talk about grounds for a MisTrial !!!

      You just can’t make this sheeit up !!!

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/26/california-bill-would-let-illegal-immigrants-serve-on-juries/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

      ;0p

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    9. Enemy of the State says:

      Wide Awake News: McGrath and Adrian Salbuchi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX3okBH9tE&feature=player_embedded

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    10. No one should be shocked here, unless you wonder why they didn’t include crock pots and pressure cookers.

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    11. Bubba says:

      Never needed black powder before — but I wants me some now.

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    12. Enemy of the State says:

      2081 Universal Absurdity
      A short film adaptation of Kurt Vonnegut’s Harrison Bergeron, 2081 depicts a dystopian future in which, thanks to the 212th Amendment to the Constitution and the unceasing vigilance of the United States Handicapper General, everyone is “finally equal….” The strong wear weights, the beautiful wear masks and the intelligent wear earpieces that fire off loud noises to keep them from taking unfair advantage of their brains. It is a poetic http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xweayp_2081-universal-absurdity_shortfilms

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    13. Enemy of the State says:

      There Will Be No Economic Recovery. Prepare Yourself Accordingly. http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot?feature=watch

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    14. itzawrap says:

      Just read Robert Ludlam’s 2000 Nick Bryson novel “The Prometheus Deception”. It’s all in his book. He nails it his this ‘fiction’ story….or is it?

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    15. Free ell says:

      This bill is meant to pacify and it is not realistic. The bill also will not pass. If it were to pass, it will be impossible to enforce. It would not solve the overall problem and everyday materials can be used to make explosives. Think ok city.
      The senate and house both play games with votes. They introduce bills and have votes for fodder in future elections. Make a R vote against gun control who represent blue areas. Make him vulnerable in the next election. This has gone on for decades. Unfortunately, it is done almost constantly rather than realistic votes needed to run the country.

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    16. Mountain Trekker says:

      Yep, I’m old, I remember when you could walk into a hardware store, and there would be a case of dynamite sitting on the floor, pick up however many sticks you needed, pay and walk out the door. But just like guns, that dynamite created alot of terrorist. Well maybe it didn’t create any terrorist, cause I don’t remember any back then, but it must have had something to do with it. Man I sure miss the good ole days. Trekker Out.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        Ah…the good old days. Back when America was a sovereign nation. With actual borders and stuff.
        Today, we truly live in an upside-down world. Criminals have rights. Citizens must be ‘controlled’ for their own safety. Gold and silver are not money. But green paper and electronic digits, created by legal counterfeiting, is. And the best way to pay off huge debts created by the fictictious ‘money’ is…to make more of it!
        I’m thinking our grandchildren will look back at Gary Larson (Far Side Comic strip) as a prophet rather than a cartoonist. The saddest part is, I’ve still never seen any of those talking cows.
        And, speaking of prophecies, I’ve decided to make a few predictions of my own::

        2019- California Legislature bows to environmental groups and lowers state speed limit to 16 mph. Air, however, still shows signs of pollutants. Governor Ellen Degenerate considers bill to outlaw breathing.

        2020- Illinois, not to be out-done by Cal, lowers limit to 14 mph. And, adds additional $35 gal gas tax. Rahm Immanuel resigns from governorship to run for Czar of Chicago Crips, citing the need to earn more money (probably to pay the gas tax for his lime green Harley).

        2021- Oklahoma secedes from union. Nobody in Washington DC notices. Which suits the okies just fine, they like being left alone. New national motto: God, Guns, Family and Football.

        2022- Los Angeles mayor, Rosie O’Donnell, vetoes proposal to allow city to issue licenses for heterosexual marraige. The last six remaining straight couples in the city move out in protest.

        2023- Following a 3 yr war with Mexico, the newly independent nation of Texas signs a peace treaty. The victorious Texans insist that Mexico must pay reparations. And take back El Paso.

        2024- China announces a cure for most strains of avain flu. All 12 million living Chinese rejoice. Meanwhile, the Pentagon begins secret tests of a new resistant strain of the flu.

        2025- The nine states remaining in the old USA devalue their currency again. President Obama, during his 5th innaugural address, promises to raise the minimum wage to $6000 per hour.

        2026- Last remnants of UN occupation forces driven from Tennessee. Volunteers begin talks to join newly formed Union of Confederated Sovereign And-Don’t-Y’all-Forget-It States. Negotiations bog down after Oklahoma refuses to allow portrait of Loretta Lynn to Replace Reba McEntire on the $20 bill. Texas offers compromise of George Strait and the Tennesseans are welcomed into the new union. New nation breathes sigh of relief as good whiskey finally begins to flow again.

        2027- Arizona’s application to join the new country is rejected because it isn’t written in English. Maricopa County Patriots vow to reset language application on their word processing program and try again. Several businesses in Oklahoma, lacking spanish fluency, mistake the application for a purchase order and ship 8 truck loads of banjos to Phoenix.

        2028- Last vestiges of old USA vanish. Once proud nation, now consisting of only Illinois, Hollywood, Flint Michigan, New York City and the District of Columbia, goes out with a whimper. Final straw was refusal of El Salvador to extend further credit to the bankrupt state. Salvadoran president, Goerge Soros, Jr (actually a clone, not a son) makes famous remark in denying more aid: “760 Quadrillion in debt is simply too much! We don’t think the Americans are good for it.”

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      • CrabbeNebulae says:

        My grandfather used dynamite to blow stumps in the 1920′s, 30′s and early 40′s. I remember the dynamite cap warning commercials on TV in the 50′s… Hubert the hookworm and cigarette commercials too. Good old days.

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      • Commie hater says:

        I, too, remember those days, Trekker. Our hardware store would break a box of 12 gauge shotgun shells and sell you one round for a nickel. .22 shorts were 10 cents the box and a dime was 90% silver.

        Now we’ve got a two-bit commie pres and sixty million corrupt commies voted for him.

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    17. GEO-LITHIC says:

      Maybe we can all live in a glass house built by the government!

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    18. 13*'s and III% says:

      They keep pushing and they will get shoved. The last thing I would do is piss off a 3,000,000+ man army that consists of hillbillies, gangsters and, ex-spec-ops and, on top of that, that army doesn’t even officially exist. How foolish do they intend to be? God Bless America!

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      • I’m glad you got that much faith in that 3m man army showin’ up. They must have been sick on Watertown Day.

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        • Don’t get me wrong on the above post. I’m not being snide with that comment. I’m just trying to bring to light that even in the Revolutionary War 2/3 of the population cheered from the sidelines. So don’t cast about or look over your shoulder waiting for help to catch up ’cause they just ain’t comin’. Set it in your mind that it is all on you. That way it’ll blunt the disappointment.

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        • JayJay says:

          Responce to PO’d…Maybe, just maybe, they already wrote liberal, ass-kissing Massachusetts off the map??

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        • 13*'s and III% says:

          They have voted away their weapons over the years in the New England states. As far as i’m concerned they, are on their own. It didn’t suprise me that they willingly openend their doors to un-warranted search.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Howdy 13,

        “The last thing I would do is piss off a 3,000,000+ man army that consists of hillbillies, gangsters and, ex-spec-ops and, on top of that, that army doesn’t even officially exist. How foolish do they intend to be?”

        THIS exact thing keeps running through my mind…over and over again. How divorced from REALITY does One have to be, to NOT see THIS? What? is the basis for the supposed ‘thought’ which they are supposed to be engaged in? I admit, I have met “paranoid schizophrenics” who had a BETTER grasp of REALITY than does our Congress…

        JOG

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          JOG
          I have friends who own guns who have no idea that you cant get ammo,,,,
          one guy said he was going to the range so was going to pick up some 22 and some 223 ammo on the way, didnt get why I was laughing,, over here there is NO ammo for any of the popular calibers,, and when the powders come in they are usually gone within days, and the only way to get bullets for reloading is internet, and ya know how that one is going,, there are none.
          so yea, there are tons of people who are completely divorced from reality and have no clue what is going on.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Kula I know just what you mean. Just went to the barber, fine old gentleman, boy is that a joke, me calling someone old, anyway he said his wife just bought herself a 40cal. and he said he told her if she was going to have a gun she was going to need to practice with it. And I said Pete, she may have trouble doing any practice, as hard as ammo is to get, and he was supprised. And of all people to not know this, cause a barber usually hears all of the issues going on in the world. And this no less in Conservative Wyoming. Here we are ready for battle, and 3/4 of the Country don’t even know we have a problem. Trekker Out. Free Men Own Guns, Slaves Don’t!

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              Yep, one of my neighbors just came by and showed me his new AR, nice gun, JP real nice setup,
              Said he didnt get any ammo but was going to pick some up this next week,
              There hasnt been any 223 or 5.56 for months, unless your at the store the moment they bring the ammo out, and even then lots of times the stores are limiting how much, and we dont have gun shows! He didnt get it when i held it by the barrel and swung it like a baseball bat,,,,

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              • John W. says:

                Alot of the supply problems are because there are a bunch of hoarders with ten thousand plus rounds for every calibre. Not saying it’s not their right to do that but one person will only get so many shots off. With no one else to contribute things will end pretty quick. Glad I bought an extra tube of BBs before things got tight. Now I have to get some rats to pop. Just heard how wonderful the economy is doing. We be saved!

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                • Kulafarmer says:

                  Sorta what i been thinking, theres a lot of favorites who get the inside scoop on the deliveries, sort of narrow minded and short sighted if you ask me, thet was why i started reloading, spotty supply and inconsistent specs or brands, keep yer powder dry!

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                • Smokey says:

                  Just started reloading myself. Components are scarce, but available off and on, or on the internet. I’m telling myself to stock up when I can get the stuff for the remainder of the year, bullets, brass, primers, powders.

                  Lots of once-fired brass on the internet, much at decent prices. Powder and primers are 30% over retail, don’t buy it there if you don’t have to.

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            • Paranoid says:

              Relax; It gets ugly, you just come over, Old Noid will fix you up for whatever ammo you need. Or just wait, at this rate whole state will be one big ammo dump by fall.

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            • Eisenkreuz says:

              Open carry into the barber shop.

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            • Near me, Meijer had two, count ‘em, two boxes.

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Howdy Kula-Bro,

            Truly, the level of ‘obliviousness’ that is in the World is stunning…is it not?

            I have dwelt on several things in the last 24 hours Brother and I will – here – share my in-most thought with you, and the others here as well…

            Ladies and Gentlemen,

            In times gone by, even during the days wherein the Nation was founded, it was the case that any State Legislature who were sufficiently possesed of the Will to do so, could

            RECALL thier Senator’s and Congressman from Washington to give then INSTRUCTIONS as to how a matter was to be dealt with.

            Some here may not know that this was common practice in days bygone….but it remains a pillar of the manner in which OUR system of government, “Of the People, By the

            People and FOR THER PEOPLE” is yet constituted… this mechanism STILL remains in the articles of EVERY State legislature of this once-mighty Land…

            I say to NOW, TODAY…Contact your State Representatives FORTHWITH informing them that there IS a GRIM NEED for those to be ‘Re-directed’ appropriately …under PENALTY of

            REMOVAL from OFFICE if there is thereafter NON-COMPLIANCE with those DIRECTIVES…

            …That Government of the People, By the People and FOR the People Shall Not PERSISH from the face of the Earth!

            It IS time to Stand-UP!…NOW…there is WORK to be DONE…evermore We have done so…you are ALL well acqauited with such…Let us be upon it, Friends.

            If not us, then WHO? I say, STAND-UP! NOW.

            JOG

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            • OutWest says:

              JOG

              If the whole country had your patriotism we would be
              Golden. Alas, we are in a very small minority as it
              stands today.
              For every congressman we contact with our legitimate
              point of view, three of the others of nefarious stripe
              negate us with their calls for collectivism.
              Three million NRA members or a hundred thousand SHTF
              visitors to this august site are a mere spit in the
              ocean, I’m afraid.
              We are not only fighting a corrupt gov’t, but fighting
              their 300 million strong fan club as well.
              All that being said though, I believe we can stand tall
              with dignity and pride knowing in our hearts that our
              cause is pure and just and the fight for freedom is ever
              worthwhile. It is always lonely at the top, my friend.

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              • JustOneGuy says:

                Good Evening OW,

                Friend, All that you say is true…for which I am now ashamed to call myself “An American”. So many have in the past given much of themselves such that we are here, now…today, even that “Last, Full measure of Devotion” which has – at times – been the only recourse left such that “”Being what we are” has been preserved. In seeking to
                restrain Us of the Very Means by any defense against Coercion might be formulated they demonstrate thier True nature to us: TYyrants, nothing but. The Founder’s had definite
                notions as to what must needs be yielded to any such as those; Nothing whatsoever….are We so much Wiser than they to ‘know’ now otherwise?

                On the Last Day, I will have to stand with those who have went tbefore me and to account for my actions in the World; I do not wish to be there among the Mighty Ones who have proceeded us in time and be Ashamed for what I have or have not done well…I do not wish to Stand in that Mighty Company, with those and be there, the lesser…

                I say this then: IN this time, for Us, it is soon to decided – by many – whether to rise above the heights of all that our ForeFather’s achieved so as to re-secure the Blessings of Liberty unto to our’s and our posterity…

                …or to FALL into an Abyss so terrible and deep that the “clean light Light of Day” which IS Freedom shall never to shine down ‘pon our faces again…or the faces of our Children….God Forbid.

                If s Reckoning not come, then the latter SHALL be our fate…Who here does NOT know this?

                My Heart grows Black with anger at those who have, through deciet and treachery and COWARDICE, made themselves “Gods amongst Men” and I tell you this here, now…

                Twould be better were the ENTIRE World CONSUMED in Fire…every last, living thing pon it, burnt to ash, than to abide what those who now hold the reins of Authority have conceived for us…THEY are Souless, without the Indwelling Spirit with which we were all made, which THEY threw away in thier pursuit of GREED.

                One, Final time…I ask you here, One and All,

                “Who does NOT know THIS?” ;(

                All that I have put forth here, today – multiply – is my inner-most Mind revealed clearly, before you who here are my Fellows, my Peers…No deeper than this does the “Well of my Soul” go…I stand Revealed, before my Fellow Man and Woman thusly. Search your Soul’s in the Days to come for what is there….and Find Your Answers.

                “I will Fear Niether Man, Nor Beast, nor Fell Spirit…For Thou art WITH Me. Yea though I walk through the Valley…”

                Amen…

                JOG

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          • Ramadiron says:

            Kula true enuff!
            My brother inlaw lives right next to me. He says hes a Libertarian but to me thats just a trendy new word for liberal. Anywho he owns guns but never buys ammo. Never thinks anything can happen to him since our Prez will keep us safe. LOL. He thinks I am a nut for Prepping. Now he is pissed at me since he cant get ammo to go shooting and I wont sell him what I have. He thinks that all the ammo is gone from people like us hording it. And has nothing to do with the gov. I tell you some people could have a bus driving right at them and if you told them to move they would say it will stop its not allowed to run me over I am in the crosswalk.

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            • Smokey says:

              There is no hoarding. Go on the internet, there is absolutely no shortage of powder, ammo, primers, brass, all of it. You can get all you want for a premium price. You could get 10,000 rounds of .223, 100,000 primers, bullets, 200 pounds of powder in one hour, if you are willing to pay for it.

              The scalpers are the ones showing up at Walmart at 7:00AM to grab the entire days’ delivery of ammo, then selling it online at double the price.

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              • d...b says:

                Sorry to disagree. provide Names of stores or links. I shop @ Natchez, wideners, mid south shooters, pametto, able ammo, cheaper than dirt, cabelas. gander mountain. I want IMR4350 or 3031. Not available. 30-30 150 grain Flat nose bullets in bulk. 40 cal jacketed in bulk (500 rounds or more is bulk) Any help will be appreciated. I ordere 3 jugs of powder from Midway in the first week of January. 4 1/2 months later they e mail me cancelling my order and took 5 days to reimburse my account. I could have bought a bunch of more expensive 1 pound containers during those 4 1/2 months. I called once a month and they gave me the re assuring run around shipping bullshit lies each month. Never again.

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                • Indy Colts says:

                  He’s right, there are plenty of bullets online. I’m not giving up my sources but your just not looking on the right sites. One place is cheaper than dirt but I don’t shop there anymore because they are super expensive.

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        • 13*'s and III% says:

          Idk? JOG. Sometimes i wonder if the agenda is too just have a huge civil cluster f***. The arms race happening is enormous. No legislative gun control will work. The only way life can go on is if 1 the scum of the nation back the hell off for good or 2 we have the biggest civil war in the history of the world. The move is on them. We law abiding citizens don’t break the law first.

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        • Smokey says:

          Really. Alienating and demonizing a large portion of the adult population, much of it with military training, in possession of perhaps 400 million arms and billions of rounds of ammunition, does not seem to me to be a wise course of political action. What do these idiots see as a probable outcome to this? Just doesn’t make sense.

          Confiscation or other such draconian anti-gun measures will just create a level of social instability far greater than they seem to realize. Escalation with military support will just raise the level even further into actual insurrection and revolt.

          I don’t think this is where they believe it will go, it can’t be. Not that stupid.

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          • Indy Colts says:

            Most of those 400 million arms would be turned into the government after a couple more bills are passed. Very few will actually stand against this tyranny. Military and law enforcement are trained to use their guns. They have made it also impossible for us to train with the price of ammo.

            Our only hope is some of the military will decide not to fire on Americans or drop out to go home and protect their families.

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    19. Sierra Dave says:

      Coming soon to a Congress near you. Background check to be born!

      DNA test required to see if you’re a pesky Patriot who believes in the Constitution.

      Liberal Demoncrats move to the front!

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    20. yo sam says:

      When the people used to have to work for a living.
      They didn’t have time to set around thinking of ways
      to get noticed.Now that welfare pays people to set ALL
      day they have no self worth.If they want to stop the
      problems stop funding the LOW LIFES.If you have PEOPLE
      you are taking care of trying to make it in this world, your energy is spent working. STOP WELFARE
      STOP THE PROBLEM.

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    21. wendy says:

      After seeing news report about the fireworks I wondered how long it would take

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    22. GEO-LITHIC says:

      Here comes the next FIREWORKS ban! also pressure cookers and ball berrings Ban everything that could be a weapon! Welcome to America – lets go to a nice safe city with no GUNS like Chicago! HA

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    23. ponomo says:

      federal reserve notes are more toxic that ammo and out-right thievery. grab the rug.

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    24. But what about those pressure cookers? When are they going to ban the damned pressure cookers? Those things are a menace.

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    25. Eisenkreuz says:

      MUNITIONS EXPLODE

      AMMUNITION DOES NOT EXPLODE

      GREEK PREFIX “A” MEANING “WITHOUT”

      IDIOTS

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      • Facebook Page says:

        This one you are very wrong. They do exploded it just more controlled. And if in the right set up they make interesting fireworks.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          technically speaking, they burn, have different burn rates,, and different burn properties,,, all fancy jargon adopted so people dont think they can use smokeless powder as explosives,,,,

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          • JustOneGuy says:

            Howdy Kula!

            If I might ‘weigh-in’ here…

            “Smokeless Powders” are – absolutely – NOT Black powder, in any sense. My recent purchase of a Hornady AP came ‘equipped’ with a video in which the venerable Joyce Hornady (Yeah I know..strange name for a GUY!) explained the “in’s and out’s” of reloading.

            During that, at one point, he clearly demonstrated an interesting fact about smokeless powders, ie, that they do not pose an “explosive hazard” until and UNLESS they are ‘confined’. That is to say that the rate of combustion of the powder is a function of the pressure to which it rises during said combustion. What does THAT mean?

            Just this: Unless the propellant is temporarily complelled to remain in a ‘nearly’ fixed space and NOT allowed to undergo significant expansion at the instant that combustion begins then the ENERGY which is ‘realized’ physically therefrom is very small!

            To illustrate this Mr Hornady had something amounting to perhaps two HANDFULLS of ‘smokeless’ (which If memeory serves here he identified as IMR 4350) on a table in front of him and which he DELIBEARTELY tossed a lit match ‘pon…

            FAR from it being the case that Emergency Medical Services were thereafter IMMEDIETELY required, instead it was seen that the mass simply ‘fizzled’ as it burned cleanly away….NO EXPLOSION, NO ‘BOOM’! Without demonstrating the alternate fact with respect to ‘Black Powder’ Mr Hornady went on to say that HAD he chosen to do THAT with an equivalent amount of “BP”, that he would NO longer be “amongst the living” at the conclusion thereof.

            Point-in-fact therefor…THE current effort to ‘control by regulation’ the Citizen’s access to “Powder” generically for the purpose of ‘Defeating Terrorism” is abject BULL-SHIT as it is actually, currently constituted; it is – in fact – as observed throughout the body of this forum, ANOTHER effort to ‘shear’ the Citizenry of THIS country of thier ability to Defend thmselves AGAINST Tyranny perpetrated ‘pon them by an Oligarchal Class of deviants whose offspring cannot walk and chew gum at the same time; the same offspring which have been foisted on America since the 1800′s as our ‘Over-seer’s’ by virture of the accident of thier hideous birthing into the World; the same offspring who have all but effectively destroyed the entirety of Western Civiliztion through thier boundless, mindless GREED and the ‘infection that has therefrom stemmed…

            Hmmm…Let me see here…did I MISS any salient point here along the way…hmmm, yep…uhh-huh…got that too. Whew! it’s OK Y’all…I didnt MISS a thing here! ;)

            Y’all here might want to start thinking WHAT you are going to do next…things are tightening up; Look around yourselves a bit. Remember that Ol’ Sage Indian wisdom which goes as:

            “Talk’s Cheap…takes MONEY to by Whiskey.”

            Yep, THAT one! Time’s a wastin’ here Y’All, it ‘s gettin to be time to WAKE UP…Soon., since also, “If you CHOOSE not to make a choice, STILL you have Chosen..”

            Dwell upon it for a bit…

            JOG

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        • Eisenkreuz says:

          If you throw a handful of cartridges in the fire you know what will happen? Nothing. A loud pop and no explosion (at least in a practical sense). Bullets are only dangerous inside a chamber. They wouldnt sell bullets if they exploded.

          Has anyone ever had a round detonate outside of a gun?

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          • Paranoid says:

            If you were half as smart as you think you are you, would know that: yes, as manufactured, smokeless powders don’t explode, But the things they are made of do, Any real terrorist could made them go bang very nicely, so could any high school chem prof.

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          • sixpack says:

            No, but my mom had a scar when a .22 round got thrown in the burn barrel by mistake—it went off and she happened to be there. Bullets WILL go off in a fire, they just are not aimed anywhere in particular.

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          • Mountain Trekker says:

            Yes Eisenkraut,As a matter of fact I have. Once upon a time in the olden days, when I was a young lad, you wouldn’t understand, but the streets in a small town, had tar on them, no assfault back then. But to make a short story long, me and this homey of mine, found a box of 22lr shells mashed into the tar, so we dug them out. A neighbor had a vice on a workbench in his back yard, so we had this great idea, we would put the shells in the vice which was my homeboys job, and he would tighten them down and I took a piece of pipe and knocked the bullet out and then we would pour the powder in a little pile and light it, no big deal but it was fun. But the fun ended when he put one in the vice and I tapped the bullet and it tipped over in the vice so he tightened it again and it tipped again. Anyway he was only about 2/3 of my size so being the big guy,I told my homeboy to get out of the way and let a man do it, so when I cranked down on it the detonation happened. Don’t know if you ever heard the zing of a projectile zip by your head, but the fun was over. That could have been the end of a young Patriot. Trekker Out

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          • stcroix says:

            very true, nice bit of knowledge more should know.

            +1

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        • sixpack says:

          The engines in cars, you know, combustion engines, explode in sequence…shall we also outlaw cars, motorcycles and lawnmowers? You know, don’t those powder actuated fasteners use .22 cal loads? They look like little .22 shorts with a jagged rim…wonder how much trouble it would be to convert-on-the-fly.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        howdy eisen! hope you’re well. still trying to teach us old geezers about the language, i see. just a brief correction on your post: in the nominative possessive, or when the definite article is in the plural past tense, such as the pronoun modifying the verb prior to the adjective encased adverb, it is possible for the ‘a’ prefix to denote a similar, though not identical, status. hence, ‘a’ could also mean ‘in addition to’ or ‘by means of’ etc. checked this with my old college prof from bugtussle a&m, dr. a. mo nition, phd. he’s a world recognized expert in greek language (as well as a hell of a good taxidermist) and assures me this is the case. hope this helps.
        by the way, if you’ll give me a po box or an address, i’ll send you a couple thousand extra lower case letters. no charge. i got plenty of ‘em.

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        • Bastet says:

          LOL!!! You’re a crack-up SO! Love your work…

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        • Archivist says:

          That’s just like flammable and inflammable meaning the same thing even though you would expect them to be opposites.

          By the way, I know someone who emptied their pocket change into a coin machine at the bank and accidentally deposited a 22LR. The coin machine tried to process it and actually fired it. Funny thing is, no one in the bank really noticed. I guess it was kind of noisy that day.

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    26. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Patrick Henry, you’re on deck….

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    27. Bill J says:

      At this point, it’s only a matter of time a law is introduced limiting the amount of ammo one can posses. All us plebes really need is 2 shot shells per household for our double barrel shotgun if Biden had his way.

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    28. 22Mission says:

      BI
      Went looking to see if any air cargo delays were in the news .
      About all I could dig up was some problems with UPS .
      I am nervous and feel on edge .
      Using a scale of 10, my spidey sense most be hitting 11.
      And it ain’t never been wrong before .
      I keep having nightmares about cold, ice, and high winds .
      Something is way off the charts wrong .
      I just don’t know what .
      NOMI
      Mission

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    29. Arizona Ed says:

      If I didn’t think the “honorable legislators” (laugh, laugh!)were serious I would take this as a joke, but they are serious, at law abiding U.S. Citizen’s freedoms at stake. They ought to ban everything that may cause terror and turmoil. They ought to start by banning politicians!

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Thats something I have a real problem with,
        people say to “respectfully write to your representatives”
        since when do I need to show respect for some jackass who pretty blatantly shows not one stitch of respect for my rights or for the hard work that I have to put in to make a dollar??? WHat sort of alternate reality are we living in??

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    30. Arizona Ed says:

      If I didn’t think the “honorable legislators” (laugh, laugh!)were serious I would take this as a joke, but they are serious, at law abiding U.S. Citizen’s freedoms at stake. They ought to ban everything that may cause terror and turmoil. They ought to start by banning politicians!

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    31. braveheart says:

      SmokinOkie, I fell out of my chair with your latest batch of humor, keep it coming. I saw something like this coming last year and started stockpiling, but I never thought it would go to this extent. After the balloon goes up and UN troops appear on our streets, it would be advisable to take whatever weapons, ammo, gear, etc. you can from dead ones. Braveheart

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    32. 22Mission says:

      Making fool proof fire starter .
      Melt wax till liquid .
      Dip in single sheets of newspaper .
      Roll it up in a small log .
      Tie with cotton twine .
      Use the ends of twine to light like a fuse .
      Will even dry out wet kindling since wax burns so hot .
      I’ve used this even in rain to start a fire .
      Works quite well .
      And cheap too .
      Make them ahead .
      And very easy to carry .
      Take care out there
      NOMI
      Mission

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      • Navy Vet says:

        I use dryer lint and egg cartons soaked with wax and wax soaked string for a wick. Once the kindling is burning well, if you pull the starter out and put it out, it can be reused. each starter will burn for 15-20 minutes.

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        • 22Mission says:

          Sawdust and wood chips with melted wax too Navy Vet .
          Dryer lint is excellent .
          Just got some blocks of clean wax out of a dumpster .
          Filled up the trunk of a Honda Civic .
          Can’t beat free preps .
          Thousands of uses for good clean wax .
          I would not advise using dumpster wax in direct contact with food, However.
          Candle making time .
          **Grinning **
          Anybody else know some good uses I can use this wax on or in my preps?
          yes, I am aware of search engines .
          I am just looking for some regular long term folks comments here .
          NOMI
          Mission

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          • Kulafarmer says:

            what type of store or ???? throws away that much wax?? just curious so I can keep my eyes opened or make some calls to help someone with some of their waste,,,,

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          • It's getting very weird says:

            I save the wax from my burnt out piller candles. There is usually a lot left on the larger 4″ candles after burnt. I melt them down and dip pinecones in it to make fire starter. They look nice by in a basket by the fireplace too.

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        • JayJay says:

          I use cotton balls soaked in alcohol..burns about 15 minutes.

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      • Paranoid says:

        Take empty tuna can, cut strips of cardboard as wide as the can is deep . Roll up and fill can, then add wax till full. Pull up a little paper when you want to light. Cannot get wet, lasts forever, will start pile of wet wood or cook a meal,

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    33. PenCRNA says:

      It’s too damn bad that precedent does not allow for the recall of one’s state senators or congressmen. I’m just at a loss for the stupidity of our nations leaders. Everyday begins with the thoughts of ” what can I do today to get myself reelected”. They will never propose or vote for term limits. Our government has failed the people they’ve sworn to represent over and over.
      I know that I’m taking care of my own, and that’s the only thing that keeps this garbage from getting me down. It’s nice to think there is a 3 million man ‘army’ out there, but how many of those do you think will just turn their guns in, rather than stand up for the second amendment? Far too many I’m afraid.

      Sorry for the ramble.
      NOMI~CATIMF

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      • John W. says:

        People in their districts keep sending them back. That is the problem. No way to change that and term limits have already been tried, were challenged and thrown out. We really have no recourse with the stupid people that make up the electorate. With amnesty outright bribery will buy any election.

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      • sixpack says:

        We could recall our senators if we could get enough sheep to follow the right bell.

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    34. Donald Ames says:

      Reloading supplies, blackpowder, pyrodex, all fireworks (class C and commercial displays)will all be subject to this intrusive bill. Say goodbye to Fourth of July fireworks displays, folks. No insurance company will issue policies for fireworks shows with enacted legislation like this.

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    35. Well, if that is the case they had better require a background check to buy kitchen matches as well. I can make a pretty serious bomb with the heads of plain old kitchen matches, not to mention gas, propane and assorted other materials that are readily available. When are they going to realize they can not restrict everything that may have dangerous applications other than their intended use. Maybe we should be required to have a background check and be issued a national gasoline purchase card that would allow us to buy 50 gallons of gasoline per month, but only if it is pumped directly into a vehicle or equipment. No more cas cans.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        JAS….please don’t give them ideas.

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      • OutWest says:

        JAS—Speaking of kitchen matches

        I got caught in the middle of the Detroit Riots in 1967.

        There was so many buildings burning the fire departments

        were totally overwhelmed and couldn’t respond.

        I think when the SHTF in the extreme, rioters will burn

        the cities to the ground. It will probably resemble the

        Atlanta Burning when the despot Sherman and his infamous

        scorched earth policy march to the sea took place during

        the “War Of Northern Aggression”.

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        • Dr. House says:

          A SHTF event won’t even be necessary. Google Chicago Bulls Riots.
          And these were ‘celebrations’ of happiness.

          Get out of big cities. Way out.

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    36. Say When says:

      As if a blind man couldn’t see this coming. First the EPA came for the lead (hazardous material) ducks injest it. Then they came for the firearms and that didn’t float (YET). And now their coming for reloading supplies. Does anyone with the intellegence above an amoeba not understand this administrations commie intents. The agenda of the commie in chief is to disarm, bankrupt, and totally control this country and the people. Watch the other hand. Preppers should have seen this coming and stockpiled ammo and black powder.
      This is not going to end well!! All we can do is speculate, educate and be ahead of the next shoe to come down. If you all can’t find rifle or pistol ammo, stockpile shotshells. I speculate that will be the next shortage. Think out of the box and get prepped ASAP. It is hard sometimes to try to think like these commies, but we have to try to always be one step ahead of them.
      We all would love to go back a few years and try to change the way things are now, but we have to play the hand we’re dealt. Good luck to all and God bless. Soon this evil is going to spread and we will have to be ready.

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      • Dwayne Murphy says:

        For shotgun shells, what is a good way to preserve them long-term? I’ve read one person’s comments that they used a vacuum sealer machine to preserve handgun ammunition in 50 round bags, sealed.

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        • Paranoid says:

          What? I’ve got shotgun ammo that’s over 50 years old just left in drawer that still works, and Rifle ammo that’s over 70 years old. Thousands of rds in basement that;s just in original packing If it doesn’t get soaked or too hot it all keeps close to forever. Only ammo I ever saw go bad was some 1920 era .25 Cal that was not properly annealed and got neck cracks. That’s why US Gov ammo has that dark ring around the neck, you can tell it’s been annealed by that, commercial ammo is polished and you can’t tell

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          • Say When says:

            Homeland security is not too concerned about storage of ammo. Does anyone think that they would buy 1.6 billion rounds if it had an expiration date.
            I have used 1952 8mm mauser ammo for the old german mauser and it shot flawlessly.
            Also have shot old shotshells of the paper hull variety and shot well. Keep them dry and cool, possibly in ammo cans and they should last for decades.

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    37. NadePaulKuciGravMcKi says:

      Can’t get the guns …

      so they go after the ammo

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    38. RIP Possum

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    39. Satori says:

      H7N9 update

      120 cases being reported
      death toll steady at 23

      http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=489904&postcount=1

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    40. ScoutMotto says:

      There is a Tanner gun show in Denver this weekend. I’ll be waiting in line early, meself.

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    41. This ties in to my response to ‘CON T’ on previous thread about gold and silver not being ‘money’… and about the beginning of total lockdown of control over all those things that we will need to live, first gold and silver because ‘money’ is about to change, ammo, and next, food and water. When the dollar collapses, the velvet glove will come off, but, there are some ramifications that nobody has discussed… because it is too scary and ‘speculative’. Speculation is only in monetary matters, when speculating with my life, I call it contingency planning, especially when the spirit leads. (I’m hoping its just my imagination… :) but its a very strong inkling, so take it for what its worth.)
      In the previous thread I replied;

      @CON T, (et al)
      The idea of ‘money’ has been around thousands of years… the idea of money has been stolen by bankers(and governments), who, when the dollar crashes are going to ‘reset’ the system into some new global credit scheme. This is already functioning and ready to go.
      This, if you have your head screwed on straight, will be the issue, legal tender will turn into a legal straightjacket. You will not be able to ‘buy or sell’ when this reset occurs, your bank accounts will be ‘converted’ and you will have to take a biometric id to regain access.

      Now, if you are a producer you are also a consumer… the black market economy that results from this scam will spread, and ‘money’ will be needed. The currency of ‘value’ will be gold, silver, lead, copper, food, labor, etc. But, pure value is in the mind and hand, not a damn computer.
      You may accept this chip if you wish, but, you will cause your soul to be bound to the dark energy of the world, you will have to sign over your loyalty to the new government to regain access to your bank account. You will not be able to work, and ‘hoarding’ will become a crime with personal inventories required to be put up online. WHAT? The biometric system is not just money, but absolute control over everything. They will attempt to eliminate the black market as well, because it has always been a sore point with FedCorp. This is also to prevent those ‘nasty Christians(sarc)’ from trading, bartering, or otherwise gaining access to second hand goods.

      This will begin after the collapse of the dollar, which was prophesied 2000 years ago. Believe, don’t believe, your choice. Trends speak to the truth of the matter. Something wicked this way comes, when the black horse finishes its ride, it will be “… a measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny, and spare ye not the oil and the wine…” This, is a prediction of the collapse of money, the elimination of the middle class, and a new class of Massa to ride herd.

      This is happening in front of our eyes, and many don’t see it. Your post is entirely based in the Normalcy bias as others above. Yes, it has been predicted for years that this would happen, but, it HAS to happen. History shows that fiat money ALWAYS FAILS due to immoral printing(What are WE now doing?). It doesn’t matter what you think, or I think, or what any American thinks, as we have lost control of the geopolitical agenda due to our immoral behavior… China sets the new agenda, and that agenda will not be fiat money, but gold certificates drawn from the new BRICS Development bank… aka; The ‘Dollar kill switch’ that will bypass the SWIFT system. When the switch is thrown, our world changes over night. Our world has never been about economics, its always, always about Machiavelli… and who gets to be Big Dog.

      WHEN the switch is thrown, all kinds of nasties will come out of the shadows. Including (IMO), the Saudis(and OPEC), who have already signed a treaty with China and Russia, will, declare the dollar as money ‘no good’ for buying oil… It is also my speculation( If I was an enemy, I would…)that the Saudi’s will give The West two options… buy our oil for gold or… Nationally forced conversion to Islam. This will give the PTB their reason du jour, to void the Constitution for the ‘survival of America’ and The West.

      And, Obama(and especially the Europeans), will lap it up like a dog in heat. (If he isn’t already part of it, according to the Islamic Hadith on his name, which is available at my site.)

      Speculation? Hmmm…. I call it contingency planning after spiritual inkling.

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    42. JayJay says:

      “It defies common sense that anyone, even a terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosive powders without a background check or any questions asked.”

      No, you idiots, if defies common sense that you don’t understand a terrorist will get these explosives by any means necessary, not necessarily legal means?

      What we do need is an IQ evaluation for these lawmakers!!

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    43. oUCH says:

      Watch out !! They’re coming for your Beans next !! Explosive Materials !!! Yup.. that describes beans fairly well. OMG !!! My beans.. My BEANS !!! Pee-yew.. what the HELL is that smell ??

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    44. Satori says:

      in my state they just voted down drug testing for politicians

      gee
      I wonder why ???

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    45. Enemy of the State says:

      My Hero …

      Angry Farmer gets revenge on Vt. Cops for arresting him for marijuana possession

      http://www.newsforage.com/2013/04/angry-farmer-gets-revenge-on-cops-for.html

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    46. Enemy of the State says:

      BOSTON P.D. MORONS -

      Is this what the City of Boston , birth place of the American Revolution calls Justice ???

      Bombing Suspect Had NO GUN When He Was Hiding In Boat & Cops Fired Hundreds Of Bullets At Him

      Just how Dumb are the Cops in Boston to even believe the intel from the ZOG CIA FBI DHS .

      GET A CLUE BOSTON P.D. 9/11 WAS A INSIDE JOB MORONS AND SO IS THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING MORONS !!!

      http://www.xrepublic.tv/node/3084

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    47. Enemy of the State says:

      EXCLUSIVE: Cowardice Redefined, The New Face of American Serial Killers
      Op-ed by Vic Pittman Salem-News.com

      “I saw men, women and children die during that time. I never thought I would kill that many people. In fact, I thought I couldn’t kill anyone at all.” – Former US drone operator Brandon Bryant

      http://salem-news.com/articles/april182013/american-killers-vp.php

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    48. Enemy of the State says:

      ARE COPS DUMB IGNORANT AND BLIND TO THE TRUTH OF THE ZOG AMERIKAN FEDGOV AND THEIR PLANNED FALSE-FAGS ???

      THUMB IT !!!

      ;0p

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    49. Anonymous says:

      I read this article this AM and notified my Senator Collins Maine and then the article was changed.
      Article originally had link to Senate bill number I wanted to confirm was Harry Reids S.742 or something.
      When I went back to confirm the Senate bill number where in the article the word bill was highlighted in blue as link to Harry’s bill and I can’t find it anywhere now!

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    50. Watchman says:

      Something is in the makeing, just saw 3 BUFF’S (B-52) flew over head and one was nursing. I thought they were moth balled guess not, oh they where going due West.

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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      • z-71 says:

        Watchman the 52′s are a long way from being moth balled, they just keep overhauling and updating them, there even hauling tomahawks now. Understand several are in Guam as part of the far east build up.

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      • Smokey says:

        It’s the B-52H now, that platform is so good it just keeps getting updated and carries on, 60 years now. Kind of like the M16 and the 1911 .45, just too good to become obsolescent.

        Some of the kids are flying the same plane their granddad flew in the 50′s and 60′s.

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    51. Well… KTUV Oakland has announced that as of 2100 PDST last night Oakland Calif. went on “lockdown” so that DHS-FBI-CHP-SWAT-LEO could conduct “door-to-door sweeps”, Further Obama has SIGHNED an executive order banning the import of WEAPONS-WEAPONS PARTS-AMMO-MAGS-PARTS KITS-or-”MILITARY EQIPMENT” without BATFE approval. It’s started, So NOW WHAT?

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    52. If you are not shooting, you should be reloading, if you are not reloading you should be moving, if you are not moving you should be shooting……..

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    53. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-04-24/ge-halts-financing-for-firearm-retailers-as-gun-lenders-vanish

      Ironic, this is the same outfit that Adam Lanza’s father works for in senior management.

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    54. Enemy of the State says:

      ” The Police are Dumb Stupid Animals !”
      ~Henry Kissinger

      DHS and FBI Warn of AL-CIA-DUH Terrorists with Cameras Following Boston Bombing

      http://www.infowars.com/dhs-and-fbi-warn-of-terrorists-with-cameras-following-boston-bombing/

      http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/DHS-FBI-BostonMarathonIndicators.pdf

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    55. Ackley Imp says:

      Well said VFR!
      Being sold down the river, one liberty at a time…. Thanks Harry, you scummy bastard

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    56. Enemy of the State says:

      SHOCK: Negro second grade teacher forced students to carry plastic bottles of his urine, watch him piss in a wastebasket, and treated them as slaves http://investmentwatchblog.com/shock-negro-second-grade-teacher-forced-students-to-carry-plastic-bottles-of-his-urine-watch-him-piss-in-a-wastebasket-and-treated-them-as-slaves/

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    57. slingshot says:

      While we are all getting worked up over things we basicly can not control, has anyone given thought as to what is our greatest threat? We all have our localised problems but what exactly spans across each and every one of us. Although many of our preparations would cover a multitude of sins, we should endeaver to concentrate on those that would have more of an imminent impact and cause major disruption in our lives. We are a composite of, Jacks of all Trades. Very few are highly proficent in all matters like First Aid or growing food. So even as we are diversed in our capabilities so are the events we see in the future. Again our life styles are so different. What works for one, may not work for another simply because of the geographical location.
      I ask this because many do not have the monies to cope with the wide range of troubles we face.
      In my opinion I think that the Gun Grab is a precuser to the collapse of the financial markets. We have had many false flags but what I have mentioned above has the most coverage, encompassing not only our country but the world , considering a U.N. treaty and the exectative order of the POTUS. All others are just tangents or byproducts of an intitial future cause, the most being civil unrest.
      Too much to contemplate with my pea brain.

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    58. Enemy of the State says:

      Here is my proof that things are not getting better in fact they are getting worse. The stock market is a bubble and will crash. Are you prepared for the new reality http://investmentwatchblog.com/here-is-my-proof-that-things-are-not-getting-better-in-fact-they-are-getting-worse-the-stock-market-is-a-bubble-and-will-crash-are-you-prepared-for-the-new-reality/

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      • slingshot says:

        Enemy of the State.

        I am LMAO. Try the New and Improved Detergent.
        The only thing New And Improved is the BOX. New design and smaller. Concentrated. Good One!

        Here is a question for ya. How many things are there left that they can not downsize? Only increase the price.

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    59. Mr. Blutarsky says:

      I’ll tell Senators Lautenberg & Reid what defies common sense. That we allow the Muslims and Terrorists FREE REIGN in our country! That we allowed someone on a watch list to get away with this! That we do not monitor the coming & going of muslims from other nations. That we do not monitor these mosques. That we have allowed obama to strike the word muslim and islamist from all our training manuals. That we do not profile these folks.

      Get a grip and go after the REAL problem Senators.

      DO-YOUR-JOBS!!!!!

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      • Smokey says:

        The MSM is putting fluff pieces about converts to Islam in the news today. Just to make sure we don’t start to question the numbers of Muslims in the country today for some reason or other, I guess.

        Scumbuckets just don’t get it, do they?

        The new Amnesty bill, coming up soon, has provisions to open the doors to not just the illegal immigrants now here, but to Middle East Muslims as well. Seems we just don’t have enough of them here now.

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    60. Bill says:

      when are you going to die off Reid and go to your death, we are sick and tired of illegal criminal activity in the senate, but once you are gone then we will have to contend with the lying Ashkenazi bigoted Khazar Jew, whom is worse then you. what choice we have as American citizens, all you democrats along with traitorous republicans have all committed high crimes against the state and all need to be exiled out of the U.S., how about we send you Tripoli to live out the rest of your days.

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    61. slingshot says:

      La La La Boom de A.
      Did you get yours today.
      Doesn’t matter anyway.
      I’ll get mine from you, I say.

      Devil made me do it.

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    62. OK, Hitler found out that gun registration failed and boy is he pissed!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sbBZZyL7EJY#

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    63. Satori says:

      looks like this issue just won’t go away

      Members Of Congress Introduce Legislation Based On Fringe Conspiracy Theory

      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/26/1925461/stockpiling-conspiracy-inhofe/

      I do find the headline to this story QUITE misleading

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    64. Jon Enigma says:

      ‘Once Upon A Time’ we had a government that pretty much knew what it was doing, and what it was supposed to NOT be doing. Our problem is that was 200 years ago….

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    65. Watchman says:

      “In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”
      Mark Twain

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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    66. Watchman says:

      How To Clean The Toilet

      1. Put both lids of the toilet up and add 1/8 cup of pet shampoo to the water in the bowl.

      2. Pick up the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom.

      3. In one smooth movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids. You may need to stand on the lid.

      4. The cat will self agitate and make ample suds. Never mind the noises that come from the toilet, the cat is actually enjoying this.

      5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a “power-wash” and rinse”.

      6. Have someone open the front door of your home. Be sure that there are no people between the bathroom and the front door.

      7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids.

      8. The cat will rocket out of the toilet, streak through the bathroom, and run outside where he will dry himself off.

      9. Both the commode and the cat will be sparkling clean.

      Sincerely,

      The Dog

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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      • Enemy of the State says:

        @watchman …

        i tried once to wash my puss cat once and my wife still ain’t talking to me .

        seems they get a lil’ offended if you hint they need a wash .

        ;0P

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    67. howdy-doody says:

      What is becoming painfully obvious for a long time, but even more so now, is that everything that happens in the current events sector, seems to be pointed to further the governments agenda of complete control. Every so called msm story, every news event, no matter what, is another log on the fire of removing constitutional rights. There is no end, or even a slow down to this.
      It seems every news item that comes up on the msm, is tied into a rights issue somehow. And the story always follows the logic that if we had another law or restriction, that we would all be much safer for that, and we could just all sit around the campfire and sing songs together.
      But looking at the big picture, from THEIR point of view, all these laws will be necessary as our economy collapses, and people come to finally realize that they have been lied to for years, and everything they have worked for their whole lives , is being taken from them, right out from under their sheeple noses. And as shown from the European side of the world, there is very little the citizens can do, except riot, as they are doing over there. The controllers know what’s coming, and they are getting ready. Can we expect anything different? if we think it’s bad now—wait a few months.

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    68. Watchman says:

      “It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, “Peace! Peace!” —-but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!”
      Patrick Henry-March 23, 1775

      Keep the FAITH
      Watchman

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Howdy Watchman!

        I can see from your post that you are a fan of Mr. Henry, Patrick that is, I admit, I am as well! Ne’er were there more a ‘Blazing Brand’ than that one, Eh? Have a good one today Brother!

        JOG

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    69. Jack says:

      Are they going to ban (74.64%) saltpeter, (11.85%) sulphur, and (13.51%) Charcoal? If not, then black powder will always be available.

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      • Archivist says:

        I would stock up on sulfur, as you can make the other two.

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      • I have always used 75, 10, 15 and get good results and is easier to measure. But, I wrote your numbers down to test with…
        note; BY weight NOT volume… grind grind grind, until it flashes. Otherwise you end up with so called ‘green’ powder. Useless, except to maybe make pretties and fuses.

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        • Paranoid says:

          The 75,10,15 was the old Gov values 1860S. To test if it’s ground enough place small amount on metal block and light. If it forms little white “Pearls” it’s not completely mixed. Grinding was done for many hours to force saltpeter into carbon. A very small amount of water was sometimes used to help it go faster. The green powder noted above was USEABLE IN CANNONS BUT WAS NOT AS GOOD.

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    70. no justice says:

      Strange isn’t it that after the Boston affair we hear nothing from North Korea?

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      • The media has a one track mind.
        Constantly shifting the fear meme. Even our local station has seemed to shift to all crime all the time. We just had a carjack in town, and I thought the little news anchor was going to wet her panties… she said; “I drive down that street every day! Remember folks, it might be a good time to think about keeping your windows closed and your doors locked at all times…”

        Jeez. By the time the jacker got the door opened in my car, I would already have the 1911 up and in their face, smiling. Situational awareness at all times is necessary when traveling amongst humans. Especially humans all crammed together in towns… it makes them all crazy whether they know it or not…
        ;)

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    71. Smokey says:

      Instead of checking on millions of ordinary Americans purchasing reloading components, what about the concept of checking a little deeper on Chechens who have terrorist ties, and maybe even, forbid the thought, deporting them a year before they start building bombs?

      The ability of these people to conflate an excuse to step on our liberty is mind-boggling. Vote them out !

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    72. braveheart says:

      PO’d and 22Mission, I once had a 1972 Dodge cargo van [short one] with the slant-6 and 3-on-the-tree. I bought it from one of my neighbors who had a mom-and-pop auto parts store, only used it for deliveries. Bought it in 1982 and it only had 60,000 miles on it. had to do a little work to it to take it on the highway to move back to TN from FL. It drove like a tank, but it was dependable. Thanks for the memories. braveheart

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    73. wallty says:

      Reid needs to disappear.
      He is old and has dementia and not capable of holding his position.

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    74. Sick of it all says:

      Anyone see the insect size drones?

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    75. SOCIALIST TAKE OVER says:

      HERE’S WHAT I THINK…

      The United States has been a take over target for decades.
      McCarthy was the biggest American patriot ever…he got wind of all this commie activity and went after these people.

      Think about it….All the bad decisions that went down..
      * Shipping all the factories to China
      * Then the influx of all the immigrants that took any jobs left. We don’t have enough work fro our own people.
      * NDAA bill…that’s Obama’s lock your ass up forever bill without trial. He should have been impeached for that. The next prez. better get rid of that one.
      * The Federal Reserve doing a Weimar Germany and extending debt with the Dems making the banks give “Belly button” loans…to anyone…so they created Mortgaged backed securities to pass the defaults and Iceland bought them all with Europe’s money. Ha…they get burned by greed. It’s why I only buy silver and real estate….
      * The DHS stocking on hollow point ammo. Folks, hollow point is banned by the Geneva convention!!! Think about it. They are preparing for an engineered currency collapse..then when the riots start..they will bring in Russian and Chinese “UN Peace keepers”. It will really be an invasion. At that point….it will be all over.
      * Next Obama will have the stock market crash and they will dust off Nancy Pelosi to give you a “guaranteed Annunity” and take your 401k and IRA stock… The will call it a nationalization…but it’s really a confiscation…why? Because the currency paper will be worthless. You will lose your equity stock and be given “toilet paper”…enjoy wiping your ass with that.
      * Then Al Gore will waddle out and say that we need to put a carbon tax on anyone born and they will make it so you have to have your house inspected annually and sell you insulation and windows.
      * Then come the gun registrations.
      * You will not be allowed to keep a gun in your home..but have it locked up at the local town hall.
      * Then you will not get your guns back.
      * Then you will feel like a slave…..FUCK YOU DEMS. YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF SOCIALIST AND COMMIES. WE HATE YOU ALL. TRAITORS.

      IF THERE’S A CIVIL WAR…WE NEED TO CAPTURE THE DHW AMMO AND THE FEMA CAMPS AND LOCK UP ALL THE DEM. TRAITORS…INCLUDING CONGRESS!

      They all sold us out and are unamerican.

      Here’s the final straw.
      They will say anyone talking like I am is a “Terrorist” and lock my ass up with the NDAA bill forever.

      Maybe we need to make citizens arrests of all these dems…
      Stop all immigration.
      Pass laws against any anti 2nd amendment activity and make it a crime…under treason.

      Ban all cargo ships from American shores for the next ten years..that will force things to be make here. Just allow oil in.

      Default on all the debt to the China…tell them to go fuck themselves and
      restart the currency on silver and gold.

      The recent generations are a bunch of pussies and they all are brainwashed by the media. You know who owns them.

      Thumbs up if you hate dems and commies…they are one in the same.

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    76. “The Boston bombers utilized black powder”

      Mac, with that statement (which I partially quoted) you’ve stipulated an unproven point made by the news media. This is something you should avoid in writing articles critical of congressional action.

      No proof has been offered in support of this idea, and it’s being used as a pretext for the legislation being proposed. What you’re saying in the article is that the media’s silly statement about the bomb, made before any investigation had taken place, is absolutely correct.

      This leaves you in the position of arguing against Lautenberg’s proposal by first agreeing with him, where his basic premise is based on a lie. The media is wrong. Lautenberg is wrong. Reid is wrong. Why stipulate any point this gang of liars try to make?

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    77. Let us accept for the momement that it was black powder and the accused did it.

      In this case, those whom the government accuses had clean records. They would have passed a background check. The law is thus irrelevant.

      Now let us expand this to such plots in general. Who is often involved? FBI and/or other agencies of the federal government. Certainly it can be arranged for an informant to purchase the required substances. Remember .fast and furious.? The gun dealers called the feds and told the feds the buyers were up to no good and the feds told them to let the purchases go through.

      So, why not attack this from the premise that it does nothing of value and only infringes upon people who were not a problem in the first place?

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    78. yo sam says:

      IF the Men in this country who own fire arms,would
      stand together we would be unstoppable.What this country suffers from is a vacume of leadership.The women act more
      like men than men do.If they killed all the gun owners
      there would be no tax payers left to pay for the government programs that give politicons their power.
      they would be left with the handout crowd and no evil
      patirots to blame everything on.The constitution is
      very clear in its meaning,only fools who want absolute
      power cant find its true meaning.

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