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    The One Thing You Need To Survive: “Everything Else Is Just Talking and Wishful Thinking”

    Selco
    February 7th, 2014
    SHTF School
    Comments (820)
    Read by 51,967 people

    Editor’s Note: You’ve stocked your pantry. You’ve prepared your supplies and reserves at off-site locations. You’ve developed skills like shooting, food production and trauma care. You have primary, secondary and tertiary plans for evacuating your home or digging in and defending it. For all intents and purposes, you’re ready. At the very least you’re more prepared than 95% of the country. There is no doubt that if you’ve taken steps to prepare for an emergency or disaster ahead of time that your odds of survival have increased significantly. 

    Then it hits the fan and you implement Plan A. And it hits the fan again and you go to Plan B. But the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out.

    Then what? 

    Real survival in crisis situations isn’t just about storing goods ahead of time. It involves something a lot more personal. 

    In the following article a real survivor shares his experience. Selco from SHTF School has lived it. When he fought for his life during the Balkan war of the 1990′s, in what he describes as one year in hell, they never saw the collapse of their nation coming. They didn’t have forewarning or the ability to stock up months or years ahead of time.

    From one day to the next the world changed. 

    As Selco explains, having all the gear is certainly an advantage. But it’s not the most important part of making it out alive – nature is brutal and it doesn’t care how hardcore you (think you) are. 

    Common sense and being able to make quick decisions in the heat of the moment is just as, if not more, critical than all of the preparedness plans you’ve assembled. 

    The one thing you’ll need to survive when all hell breaks loose is an ability to adapt to an ever-changing, unfamiliar landscape. 


    Common sense survival. The return of natural selection.
    By Selco

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    How do you imagine a real survivalist?

    Is it a man hidden inside an underground bunker with food for 10 years, completely cut off from outside world? Or is it the guy with the crazy haircut driving a bike on methan, in a full leather outfit with communicaton skills that are not more than screams and some strange gurgling noises, armed with swords from fantasy games and maybe a chainsaw on the back?

    Both examples are something like strange fantasies or for some even wishes (“I want to be like that”) that I saw on more than one survival forum, or TV shows.

    There is also picture of the big savior – the guy who will do only good stuff, save other folks when SHTF, and survive everything. There is a strange opinion in some people that having a stance like “I’ll do only that when SHTF,” either only good or only bad in terms of pillaging and robbing, will keep them safe. If you look at how things happen in nature, you know the natural way does not always mean a happy ending.

    Lots of regular people in today’s society see us prepper and survivalists as weirdos in camouflage suits, conspiracy nuts and similar. Most of them are right, lots of “survivalists” also help in building that image of survivalists. It is hard for some people to just shut up and prep, which is what they should do to keep low profile. But some people make survival so much a part of who they are they want to show off. Their choice.

    The point is that there are lot of definitions of survivalists there, and each one of them is as if it is “written in stone.” I think survival is more about how you are as person and not what you expect. Once disaster strikes, you will see tough guys helpless and regular guys become strong forces. True nature shows up.

    Several days after the shooting started I arranged with friend that he will pick me up with car so we can go and finish some job. We went to a relative’s apartment to look for useful stuff but everything was looted already. In that time vehicles could still drive, but shootings were everywhere and checkpoints too. So violence within the group of people who were caught up in the city was combined with the shooting and shelling from enemy army.

    At this point in time, nobody knew who was shooting who and why, and what groups stand on checkpoints, but people already got killed.

    When he came to pick me up I noticed that rear lights on his car were smashed, broken. And inside car he had some kind of steel plates with hooks and wooden bars that you could kinda attach to the inside of the door.

    He explained to me that he smashed rear lights when he concluded that people get killed when snipers and machine gunners spot them after they hit the brake in the middle of the night during driving (lights are not used anyway during the drive).

    That driving with him was closest thing to the apocalyptic Mad Max version of driving. It was still possible to drive through the street, but it was full of junk, debris, and bodies here and there. He used big lights occasionally when he really needed to see something, but only for sec or two, other than that he was driving in the dark.

    On our way back he changed the position of some steel plates inside the car because he expected different directions of possible incoming bullets.

    We survived that drive. That dude was not an ex special forces member, or guy that you imagine, some strong tough dude. He was simple family guy, he worked as a postman before everything.

    He had no experience with violence, gunfire or anything similar other than dogs barking at him while he delivered mail.

    You may say “oh, nothing too smart, it is common sense to not use brake lights and put something between you and flying bullets”, and yes you are right it is common sense, but the point is that you need to know WHEN you need to start to use common sense.

    A great number of people got killed because they “waited to see what is gonna happen”, other folks started to use common sense early and survived (at least more of them, because no matter what we do there is always factor X – that you are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time).

    Those who can switch fast and let ideas of normal life go increase their chances for survival a lot! Many “fantasy” survivalists will wake up to a big surprise that things are not like they thought. It is true you should understand and know what to expect but even more important is to quickly change your way of life, how you think about security. A flexible thinker survives because they have many options to do things and react if they have to.

    Another time the shelling caught us on the inside of one of the apartment buildings, group of some 5-6 of us. Whole floor collapsed around us and on us.

    Few seconds later we get on our feet, and find out that one of us is half buried under the rubble, other ones get minor wounds and scratches. We started to dig to uncover the buried guy, after that we realized that he was almost shredded from his thighs down, and his feet were under the piece of concrete wall.

    After one try to lift him, we realize that there is no way to do it.

    His legs were in so bad shape that while I was trying to do some kind of bleeding control I realize that actually I do not have clue what leg is left and what is right. It was simply all messed up and mixed from thighs down. Under the knees I could see that all was mixture of white and red, pressed and mixed. And he was screaming big time.

    Shelling started again, with pretty big chance for all of us to be buried under the walls. I would be a liar if I could say that I did not wanted to leave that dude there stranded, and just get the hell out of there, but somehow I still stupidly was trying to stop bleeding with straps from the shirt.

    Then (luckily) one of the guys stepped out and pushed me. Then with a rifle bayonet he simple cut off almost amputated feet from stranded guy who luckily passed out, took him on his back and said “OK, lets go“. After we left the place, it collapsed from shelling. And strangely stranded guy survived everything.

    If that dude did not cut his feet off we probably all got killed, or would have just left that man to die there.

    Luckily one of us had common sense to do what has to be done in a very quick and efficient way, and he did not have any medical knowledge.

    There are many more stories how people got killed in very stupid ways and stories how people who have common sense survived (more of that in my course), but you get my point.

    A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.

    You can follow Selco’s story at SHTF School and learn how he survived one year in hell. 

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    More Excellent Reading From Selco:

    A Survival Q & A: Living Through SHTF In the Middle of A War Zone

    Advice From A Collapse Survivor: “RUN!” From Major Cities

    Collapse Reality: “If I Had to Be an Animal, I Was an Animal. It Was About Survival.”

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    Date: February 7th, 2014
    Website: http://shtfschool.com/

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    1. eppe says:

      It’s all in your mind….

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      • Unreconstructed Southron says:

        I wanted to comment on this article, but I’m having trouble deciding what to say.

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        • Wison says:

          I was thinking I’d like the tank as pictured. Maybe there’s one available on government surplus auctions.

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          • Mordecai says:

            “the scenario you face is relentless, hitting you over and over again until your best laid plans and supplies are wiped out”

            It occurred to me the other day that the novels dealing with SHTF scenarios have a common result: Nearly everyone who goes to their retreat ends up losing the retreat and having to move again, and maybe several times. I realize they are fictional novels, but this article does raise the possibility of having to keep moving and moving, and it is an article based on a real SHTF situation.

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            • DRD5508 says:

              Really? Older people won’t beable to stay on the move.
              The one thing is not being afraid to die for what you believe in (standing one’s ground). Basically, tptb are coming after the Christians and I am expecting them as uninvited guest.
              Want to test our faith sons of darkness? Bring it.

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              • Realtime Prep says:

                There is a major difference between, surviving a disaster, and living in a world that has changed. Surviving the initial catastrophe takes a great many things most of all can be luck depending on the disaster. But living in a world that has been changed, that takes so much more than just simple preps, digging in, or bugging out. To live in the world takes the ability to overcome and adapt to ANY and ALL situations that could possibly present themselves. You have to be willing to fit into however the world molds itself in the aftermath, while maintaining whatever morals and principles that keeps you sane. Most of all you have to be able to act and or respond anything that would harm yourself or the people that you care about.

                RTP

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                • Calgacus says:

                  American Indians faced the Federal govt and even with most tribes being nomadic and w/ principles, they lost the battle.
                  For them though, some war plans worked against the govt. Just ask Custer how that military training worked out for him.
                  We The People must think smarter, faster, and more adaptable.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  When you understand the blowback/payback that will arise from the people when the “elite” implement their economic devastation, you will begin to see why the Master Race “elite” are working overtime for our depopulation, not their depopulation.

                  Understand the implications of worldwide unemployment for the “elite”:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=74xPTVQx0Lc

                  Big time payback—and that is why they are trying to beat us to the punch.

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                • Bottom line is guerrilla warfare is the ONLY way to take out a better-supplied enemy. That’s how they did it in 1776 and that’s how the Afghanis have survived.

                  Of course, this only occurs in a situation where you have a third party supplying you (as we were by the French in 1776; the Russians and China supplied Vietnam; we supplied the Afghanis against Russia; and in turn, the Afghanis are being supplied against us by Iran, Syria, etc.).

                  If you have a situation like North Korea where the tyrannical government is being supplied by a larger tyrant and you ARE not being supplied by anybody, you are nothing but FUBAR’d.

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                • Agent Provocatour says:

                  That is the best response I have read on here! well said

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              • BigB says:

                I don’t know nor do I know anyone who does know for sure at what given time and place who will show up. I do know that the younger me was tested many times over the course of my life and that I acted swiftly, perhaps not always in the manner that in afterthought was considered the wisest decisions but I did what had to be done.

                Problem with experience is not that you have the ability to act as decisively because experience jades your thought process with multiple outcomes. If that makes sense to any of you who have led call it for a lack of words, a robust life.

                BigB

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                • hammerhead says:

                  BIGB – Makes alot of sense to me , having lived
                  a very “robust” life myself .
                  Now if i can find the “younger me” when i need him ,
                  then i will be fine .

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                • Anonymous Patriot says:

                  Custer was arrogant and didn’t count on the fact that the Sioux would gather more warriors, and know how to draw them into the perfect spot for an ambush. Custer thought his regiment and guns were going to be enough. He was out numbered, and taken off guard. The natives understood the element of surprise and had fought successfully against other native tribes for decades, but their fear of the white man and their guns was deeply implanted into their minds. Crazy horse taught the warriors how to overcome that fear of their skin color and weapons. Another reason why they won that battle.

                  I took Native American studies in college. So much to be learned from them.

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                • Selco’s point is a simple and sharp one:

                  Train your mind.

                  Train your mind to be flexible, all-observing, and adaptable.

                  Train your mind and body to react, and learn *how* to react. Learn how to quickly prioritize events as they happen, and act on them.

                  Dude is entirely correct. I spent a lot of time in the book saying the exact same thing – train the mind first and foremost. No amount of stuff will save you if your mind and body are unable to act in a rational manner.

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                • Paranoid says:

                  Custer was an arrogant pigheaded ass. Who would go off and leave his command to visit his girl friend. He would leave behind his Gattling guns, refuse to believe his Indian scouts, who told him there were thousands of Indans, but still not go look for hmself or send out troops, divided his forces, and generally acted as he had in the War: Like a complete FOOL. He and Fetterman were a pair. As Fetterman said: “Give me 80 good men and I can drive the Indians out of here.” It’s estimated he chased 12-15 Indions over a hill into 800-1200. He and his 83 men all died. If I remember correctly the 1873 officers handbood told officers to remember their men were: Theves, liars, cowards, drunks and completely untrustworthy, but very cleaver so watch them. The officers often weren’t that much better. Lucky for them the Indians were much the same. Your are not the only one who read his history (But not the books the school’s recommended)

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              • Mordecai says:

                @DRD5508
                “Really? Older people won’t be able to stay on the move.”

                Yeah, really. And a lot of others with physical limitations, medication needs, lack of preparedness, lack of transportation, lack of …, etc. won’t be able to move, or they will be unwilling to move, and they will die as well. So be it. Afterall, some have speculated up to a 90% death rate within a year of certain SHTF situations. You’d better get your big boy pants on or go home. No sense in sugar coating it.

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                • Paranoid says:

                  With tons of stuff; I’m not going anywhere. You want to pry me out of my home there’s going to be a lot higher casualty rate than 90 around here. Yeah I’m old, it took me 50 years to get this much junk.

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                • PO'd Patriot says:

                  Parnoid, absolutely! their gonna have to burn the stump and sift the ashes to find me…….

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                • @Paranoid:

                  I’d rather have the huge mob eventually rummage through the un-hidden stuff, then come back for all my goodies later, than be dead while clutching a jammed weapon in one hand and a half-shredded MRE bag in the other.

                  There are some situations where you just have to get up and get out.

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                • Paranoid says:

                  ODD Q: I’n not going to run unless it’s to a better spot to shoot from. Sombody has to: “Stand and deliver” I don’t want it to be some young person, best to use up us old farts. The issue is can I get a good escort to Valhalla. If I can take enough with me it’s OK, I spent my life trying to improve things; good way to go. As the man said: ” What you waiting for; Move out; you want to live forever?”

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                • Fair enough, but what if what’s coming is a forest fire?

                  Point is, you should always have a means of getting out of your shelter and remaining alive.

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              • Feisty Old Broad says:

                The most formidable opponent is one who is without fear in the face of death…these ARE the people who should BE feared….not all us “old folks” are “out to pasture” just yet…
                Collectively, we have far more practical knowledge stored in our brains than they will ever be aware of.

                Faith…Family…Freedom…Forever

                fob

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            • Johnson says:

              @Mordecai

              Stay away from crowds.

              Selco, thanks for your insight based on experiences.

              It occurs to me that people write novels about SHTF situations, they speculate on how it will all go down, they make recommendations and give tips on how to prepare based on what they write, heck, they even promote certain geographic areas of the US that everyone should move to and live. They make money from their writings, blogs, appearances at preparedness conferences, and advertisers. In reality they don’t know from experience what will happen. At least Selco can speak from experiences that he and friends had during several months of war and then the years of rebuilding afterwards. Now, unfortunately, things are going bad again.

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            • Horse'sass says:

              I have been rethinking the commonly held assumption that for most(assuming you don’t live in the big urban areas which is statistically a death sentence)the best strategy is to stay put and avoid being a refugee and all its perils if you don’t have a BOL.

              Living in the deep south along the Mississippi in a gun loving, (hunting is the recreational pastime mindset -which has its definite advantages) I have begun to think more like Selco. Things don’t turn out as you plan or envision.

              My contrarian consideration is that down south everyone has guns everywhere, and has an over reliance on them to solve any potential problems if a shtf scenario unfolds.

              If these gun lovers find that they have not adequately diversified their preps into other areas like food and water, they may be more “inclined” to go to the dark side and take what they need at gun point, even if shots are exchanged.

              Thus, my interest in having more mobility. For the sake of argument, assume you have a 4 wheel drive truck and a trailer full of supplies that you can take with you on short notice so that you are not on foot with very little supplies, and that you have enough gasoline on board for 1,000 miles without refueling, and take back roads,etc

              What happens if you encounter a sudden road block, perhaps a deliberately fallen tree across the road, or a pile of rocks? In the same way a waiting ambush team can’t stay around 24/7, or might try to create roadblocks in one area to divert traffic to a kill and loot zone, one option may be to try to go off road and around the obstruction, the other may simply be to turn around and try an alternate route, which may lead you into a trap as well.

              It boils down to what should you take with you in this to deal with this possible event? My thinking so far is to have 1.)a chain saw (but the problem is the noise will alert those who have set the trap), but more importantly a large 2 hand saw and some pry bars- which would be no doubt more energy intensive, but quieter, and saving in gas and extra driving.

              2.) a winch to your truck to pull you out and the trailer if they get stuck in the event you have to go off road.

              What else? Chains/cables? a few planks of wood? Log pics?

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              • Smokey says:

                The folks who put the tree or rockpile in the road are going to put it where you can’t just drive around it and keep on your merry way.

                An act of nature, you can get out and clear it.

                A trap is a trap. Plan on reconnoitering ahead of you.

                As far as serious cross-country driving, you will need :

                Two sets of chains for your 4WD
                A power winch and plenty of cable
                A quality hand winch/come-along
                Some sand and gravel for traction
                For deep sand or mud, some rolled carpet strips about 2 feet wide
                Two spade shovels, and one flat shovel
                Pulley blocks and logging chains, two each
                Chain saw
                Axe and small cross-cut saw
                Two spare tires on rims.

                Not to mention tire repairs, spare parts, tools, oil, lubricants, etc. Tire inflator, etc.

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                • buttcrackofdoom says:

                  a PAIR of tow straps(heavy duty), and a way to attach them to the vehicle towing YOU out, or to a vehicle YOU TOW out…you MIGHT be convoying to have more security. i cleared a local road in the mountains after a foot of snow a year ago with my jeep, no winch. probly at least 10 trees had fallen on the mountain fire-road because of the snow loaded them down and made them fall across the road. some of them i had to use 2 straps to get to them in a way i could drag them off. the very last one i encountered another member of my 4×4 club coming from the other direction and we worked together to get the last and hardest tree off. on the way home on pavement i encountered a car(late-model) on a hill. i stopped to help her, but had nothing to connect her car to a tow strap. jeeps/trucks carrying tow straps are made for heavy duty stuff and all it would have taken was a small piece of chain, but i didn’t have one, so she got left(help wasn’t tooo far away.)

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                • buttcrackofdoom says:

                  yes, a trap is a trap, but they MAY not be too serious, so if you had a couple flak jackets around you, it might get you through SOME of those “traps”…they can be had for 50 to 150 dollars(sometimes even LESS), and they will be PRICELESS!(possibly MORE expensive) when the shooting starts. a flak jacket in a backpack can be used as a shield, to place in the direction you might expect fire from(carried with you while OUT of the vehicle too). and don’t forget a couple 4×6′s or 6×8′s about 3 to 5 feet long for crossing obstacles…of course they won’t do you any good if you’ve never practiced with them…you’ld be surprised what you can get through with a 2wheel drive with the right equipment, and a little practice! a machete would be a good idea too…only 10 bucks or so for the peeps with limited money. and don’t rely on the JACK in the TRUNK!

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              • lonelonmum says:

                It’s never gonna make it to a hollywood blockbustershtf movie but I’m convinced everyone who can should aim to be able to slip away quickly if needed on with a tent and bicycle.

                A pushbike is silent and can go where motor vehicles can’t. A small bivvy or pop up tent inside an abandoned building will give you some protection from the worst weather extremes. Add a straw filter and a means of boiling water and some common sense and most on here would figure out a way to live another day.

                I do worry sometimes that for many preppers, their addiction to “stuff” will get them killed. There is no point sitting on a 10 year supply of supplies if you aren’t alive to use it. Much better to help your loved ones slip away quietly and then figure out how to reclaim your turf on another day if a flash mob hits your home.

                Right now in the UK we have pretty extensive flooding in parts of the country where the lunatics have not yet taken over the asylum. It’s such a shame to see lively hoods, homes etc destroyed. Yet the death/injury toll has not been as high as it could have been thanks to that now out of fashion human quality – common sense. Check out the BBC website if you are interested. One city is now declared “closed”. I’m hoping Birt the Brit is not in one of the affected areas.

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                • Gwyn says:

                  To Lonelonmum – Thank you for your post.
                  That is shocking to me, that a city is Declared ‘Closed.’
                  I will check out the BBC website. I appreciate your informative posts from the other side of the pond.
                  Please stay safe and well.

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            • socmarine87 says:

              If your not moving your dying. For those of you who are serious, you must be effective at night. I know it is expensive but thermal is a game changer.

              Keep your head on a swivel people.

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          • jerrytbg says:

            You look down the barrel…distract em’…
            I’ll come up and get em’ from behind…

            A scary way to approach the problem but very true…

            I just hope when you all read what this man has done…you truly start to “game” every aspect of your daily life…

            What would or did Selco do…I mean everything!!!
            Even the trip to mailbox…

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          • Sgt. Dale says:

            That’s a Russian tank.
            Sgt.

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          • Shooter says:

            All ovomit does is lie.

            Do you remember this one? If you have a business you didn’t build that.

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            • PO'd Patriot says:

              However I got an ass and you can kiss it (to Obama).

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            • Nimrod Hunter says:

              Shooter,
              I saw a Domino’s Pizza commercial that had a sign saying “Yes, we did build this!”.
              I told my wife that it took a bit of balls to issue that slap in the face to Obama. That is, if I interpreted it correctly.

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          • Them Guys says:

            EBAY Motors sometimes has Tanks for sale under the Military Vehicles listings. Usually has 70 or so vehicles listed. Most are 2.5 ton “Duece and a Half’s” army trucks and Jeeps. Tanks aint cheep! A British guy had a couple for sale there a couple yrs ago and his asking prices were around $55 to %75 Grand each!

            One had rubber treads for blacktop street use! ALL such tanks have decomisioned guns though…Made to NOT fire rounds….Its still a Tank otherwise though!

            Lots of good stuff for sale at that ebay motors page listing sometimes. Planes and Helos sometimes also!

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            • CrabbeNebulae says:

              The sun came out today but the yard is a swamp so I can’t get my tractor out to go out and work in the pasture without tearing up the yard so I’ll just wait a couple more days. I split a rack of wood a couple days ago. The chickens are laying again and the best thing of all is tomorrow my briskets will be ready to cook / can / and eat! Don’t care if it rains, snows, sleets or shines… tomorrow I’m gonna eat some home made corned beef brisket on home made rye with home made sauerkraut. Wife broke out some hominy and green chili from the freezer that we made a year ago. Man… we are gonna feast tomorrow.

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              • Sgt. Dale says:

                CN
                What are you drinking. If you invite me I’ll bring it.
                man that sounds GGOOOODD!!!!!
                Sgt.

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                • CrabbeNebulae says:

                  Sgt… Generally I drink whatever I have on hand but mostly wine or a couple ice cold beers. I’m not much on pairing so I will probably throw down some cheap Carlo Rossi Cabernet or Chianti unless the daughter brings over some Irish ale. It doesn’t taste too bad if it’s cold and besides their ring handled glass gallon jugs are great for all kinds of stuff including bartering. I drink Carlo Rossi for the jugs, not for the wine. The wine is an afterthought. The jugs are great for storing used motor oil, kerosene, Clorox, water etc.. Also good for making small amounts of home brew or even to rack off a six gallon carboy into smaller jugs. The subsequent rackings are easier to work with than trying to manhandle a heavy full six gallon glass carboy on a small counter top. They fit the water distiller perfect. It’s almost as though Carlo Rossi designed their ring handled gallon jugs with all of this in mind.

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        • wncmountainboy says:

          ditto…

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      • OutWest says:

        It gets down to the Quick and the Dead……

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        • OutWest says:

          Daughters joke:

          Know what that squishy stuff is between
          an elephants toes? Slow natives.

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          • Ryback says:

            @ OutWest: That’s exactly how its going to be, Quick and the Dead. Who ever is quicker, thinks faster, and more mobile. Once you think you have everything figured out, who, what, when, where, how, why, YOUR WRONG! When it starts, everything will be a conspiracy, confusion, deception, intimidation and many other big words I cant think of right now. Basically you wont be able to trust anyone but that Boomstick you got slung on your shoulder. It will come down to some form of trust, or how fast your draw is. But the trust part might take a while. Watch Ur Sixx!

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            • OutWest says:

              Ryback

              Survival will be left to pure instinctive reaction.

              It is something everyone was born with, but little
              chance to put it into use in a modern convenience
              oriented society.

              I almost think that a lot of pussycats will become
              raging tigers when put into a corner, more than one
              would normally expect. Just my guess though.

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              • buttcrackofdoom says:

                i respectfully disagree, outwest….toooo many stupid people these days. and i hate to say it, but a lot of them NEED to die…chlorine for the gene pool, so to speak. just to many laws protecting the stupid from themselves nowadays. and the stupid that survive just breed MORE stupid. just look at congress if you need to see for yourself. no disrespect meant to the GOOD congresscritters, all three of ‘em.

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            • How “fast” you draw? How about, like, 5 minutes before the guy gets there…

              Quick draw loses to smart draw every single time. Han Solo draw. You already have it out and ready. If not then he should already be in the crosshairs of at least one of your snipers by the time a danger exists.

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              • buttcrackofdoom says:

                when you read ALL of selco’s stuff you’ll realize there MIGHT be encounters in the night where literally the first person to get the drop on the other will survive. shoot FIRST, and ask questions NEVER!….just like the cops of the 21st century!

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              • Ryback says:

                5 minutes before the guy gets there? How do you know he’s coming, unless your stalking him or your camping. Its not going to be like the Modern Warfare games or in the Movies. You going to be on a scope at your hideout 24/7 sniping people? You get caught you will be skinned alive, literally? Most encounters will happen suddenly with out warning, and you have to decide if its going to be friendly or ugly and you have to think fast. You better be a quick with mouth or quick with gun. And yes there will be that little kid with a .22 trying to kill you. IT will become a hard cold world. And you better be too. Quick and the Dead get it!

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            • QuantumBubbler says:

              You’re just describing a ‘close-quarter’ situation IMO

              Some preppers, with the benefits of foreknowledge from history and skills to reap the advantage of more advanced technologies will become the ‘goto’ people for how to reshape a local bartering system and the world will be saved from mankind’s overreach when he begins growing his own damn tomatoes!

              Anyway…

              Is anybody interested in amazing ways everything can be all right?

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              • buttcrackofdoom says:

                i, personally, would LOVE to hear a good outcome for all the ails in the world right now. but every time i engage in a conversation with FACTS, it turns into arm-waving and calling me a racist(i hate poor people)….i don’t know you quantum b, but i betcha yer about to tell a FICTIONAL account of how everything works out OK….so, yes, you got a STORY….probly should start it with “once upon a time….”

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          • Ted Kennedy says:

            It’s the jack asses that I’m worried about.

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          • shi thead says:

            What really angered the rancher about seing his hired hand’s name written in the snow in urine?

            The fact that it was his own daughter’s handwriting.

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        • Be informed says:

          ANYONE that has supplies and has some to a lot of survival knowledge is doing one thing, INCREASING THEIR CHANCES of surviving all sorts of SHTF from personal to minor to very catastrophic. This is what it is all about, just increasing your likelihood of making it through whatever that knows society down to its knees. This is why the more you are ready to better off you will be WHEN SHTF. Expectations can be high to survive anything, but those that have prepared will fare magnitudes better than those that have not. :)

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          • eppe says:

            BI; Agreed, I was just stating what Selco is saying, “it is all in your thought process, ie, your mind”.

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          • apache54 says:

            BI
            YUP, most people will not know what they are capable of until they are faced with it! some will stand-up and others will fall short, BUT those who at least are TRYING to prepare do have a better chance than those who don’t, the hardest part will be when they see how cruel and ugly people will become when they are starving or just plain have no law to keep them in check, and the only thing to do so is a bullet!

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            • So, you’re saying, simply, that there will still be laws, just different laws. Instead of Color of Law, there will be Newton’s Laws (as they apply to accelleration, decelleration, impact, expansion, etc).

              Right?

              No, really, its just different laws. The thing is, instead of the fake Color Of Laws (that are, in effect “sayso” laws…) real law will be in effect.

              I think I like real law and I will get along with it and the world it is practiced in, well. Its the current world I can’t seem to function so well. You know, the one where you work hard and then they take your property and give it to those who refuse to work AT ALL… For some of us, life may look easy, but, inside we’re tortured.

              I know, I know, I’ve heard it all before, “You’ll change your tune when SHTF…”

              Well, we shall see. Looks like it might be fairly soon, too.

              My boss has already hung this picture on my door at work:

              http://www.thelolshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/20120718-222319.jpg

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          • tzulu says:

            I agree. Chance favors only the prepared mind. Louis Pasteur

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          • BI, One thing that really gets me is that most preppers are like, “Well, I got me this here big pile of chow so I don’t have to go begging from the giverment. You all can just stand in line if you want but I’ll just have lunch.” …at least that is my impression.

            Guess what? I’ll be just as dirty and just as poor looking as the rest of them. I consider that sort of thing “Resource Enhancement Operations” or REOPS. If they’re giving out free cheese, go get it. Just beware of the trip pan. Don’t be thinking its just all fun and games but don’t think they won’t be watching, they being TPTW and your neighbors. “Hey! How come we never see the Rangers at the cheese parties?” They’ll know. Better show up or they’ll know you got food and when it all boils down to it, they’ll want some of it.

            They’ll use terms like “hoarder” or that you knew this was going to happen and, therefore, you helped cause it, blah, blah, blah. Won’t matter if its true, just if it could be true. They will use anything to justify the taking of your food and water.

            REOPS is not just REOPS, its part OPSEC.

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            • laeagle says:

              NR,

              Every one had their hands out for free handouts in the aftermath of Katrina. I surmise that this is the situation in all shtf situations. Free water, MREs, personal hygiene supplies, money, rent fees, etc., etc. Just because you saved and prepped and planned for just such contingencies does not mean you reject the generosity of others, especially when there are no strings attached and your outlook is dire and there is no assurance that conditions will improve anytime soon. I have a feeling there will be some who will thumb me down, but, this is the reality. In a shtf situation you have to constantly be thinking about “REOp” and keep your options viable and open. Another moral dilemma.

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          • buttcrackofdoom says:

            good one BI, yer always right on, but never more than what you said right there!!!

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        • John W. says:

          That was a movie, a really stupid one at that. You may be quick one day and slow the next. When you are dead it is forever and there can be any number of reasons as to why. I would suggest talking to those who saw urban combat in Iraq or Afghanistan as to what can go wrong even with air support.

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      • John Q. Public says:

        As is even evident here with the thumbsdowners and name-callers, many will deny what is real as a completely ineffectual way of dealing with difficult times and inconvenient facts.

        Psychological denial is an important and deadly enemy of common sense and survival.

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      • Ramadiron says:

        Is the one thing porn?

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      • Paranoid says:

        Sorry but anyone that says they had no warning in YUGO was kidding themselves. Just after TITO died I told a Slav. I knew he was going to wish Tito was back, he said he’d like to hit me for saying such a thing. ( We were in Cal.) I just told him to watch. Well I was correct and I’m not that smart. that was an easy prediction The US State Dept was told the country would fall into shambles. This was no surprise, Nobody here should even consider being this far behind the reality.

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        • Northern Reb says:

          PARANOID:
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!
          Looks like I’m in good company with most of you all being in that 60 plus years young group!;-) The new 40′s right?????
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

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        • lonelonmum says:

          The citizens of a particular nation are often the LAST to hear about it when that boulder starts rolling down the hill.

          Most official news outlets are just propaganda machines. This all kicked off before the exponential rise of alternative news sites and social media.

          To stay safe in the West monitor Al jazera, Russia Today and the alt news sites such as those provided in the links column on this site. If you use social media tune into more than the kardashian channel. Monitor the movements of the chief execs of your local big corporates – if several suddenly decide to “retire” then it’s time to step up your game. Monitor the accident and heart attack rates of your state’s big wigs. By the time dissidents and intellectuals start disappearing you’ve left it too late.

          On a very serious note, if the dollar collapses the Chinese and Indians will know about it before Americans do.

          Selco was just an average young man, going about his business when all this kicked off. Post WW2 propaganda had led the man in the street to believe that the rest of Europe would not permit another Balkan meltdown. This was believable as the last conflict was still within living memory of the old uns. He’s someone who won’t be caught with his pants down a second time. My experience from meeting individuals from all over the world when I lived in Londistan is that this is a common sentiment.

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          • eppe says:

            Selco says it is starting up again where he is, go check it out….

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          • John Q. Public says:

            Yes indeed lonelonmum… and the US media corporations are owned and operated by….. [deniers should start their denial here]…. the children of the Father of Lies and Murder. John 8:44

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            • The Old Coach says:

              Yah hadda stick that in here, dint’ja. Idiot.

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Can you dispute the facts, Old Coach?

                Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

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                • John W. says:

                  You would not know a fact if it walked up and kicked you in the balls. Just a stupid loser Jew hater.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  @ John W.

                  I hate nobody over things they cannot choose or control, so I hate nobody because of their skin color or place of birth.

                  I DO hate evil behavior and evil beliefs that are a matter of choice and free will, so I DO hate genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, rape, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds.

                  What about you, big mouth? Do you LOVE genocide, warmongering, swindling, fraud, economic crimes against humanity, and Master Race creeds? It seems so.

                  See you at the Judgment Seat.

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                • The Old Coach says:

                  How can you dispute facts when you don’t have any?

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  @ Old Coach

                  This is a bit dated, but start here:

                  “Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

                  Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

                  Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

                  Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

                  Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

                  Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

                  Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

                  Those seven JEWISH men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records….”

                  There are also the JEWISH MEDIA marchers (Yiddish slang for “big shots”) named in the Joel Stein article that Tucker linked.

                  Your turn.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  Darn spell checker made a typo. Should be: macher for “big shot”

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            • Anon7 says:

              Moshe Publicstein: The self-loathing Jew is at it again, trying to distance himself from some of his roots.

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              • shi thead says:

                Say what you want, if there’s a shitstorm, Jews seem to be near.

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              • John Q. Public says:

                Can you dispute the facts, Anon7?

                Ot are you just another name-calling denier???

                The rabbis’ tricks and ritual name-calling are losing their mojo.

                Facts trump tricks.

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                • Anon7 says:

                  Moshe Publikstein: Yes, when your so-called facts are manufactured by people who are more insane than you, if that’s possible, then yes, I have a problem with your “FACTS”. By the way, my DNA test came back and said 100% British Isles and northern Europe (Germany and Scandinavia). Not a drop of southern European or semitic blood. How about you, you self-loathing Jew! Or are you just an Arab? I know, your both so that’s why you’re so conflicted!!

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  Risibly weak and non-responsive, Anon7.

                  Interesting that you would be so wrapped up in ethnicity that you would be tested (if in fact you really were). That kind of racial obsession is found most typically in adherents to Master Race creeds.

                  I haven’t been tested since I have no racial obsession. I know there is no racial backdoor to Heaven and no racial chute to hell. As a cradle Catholic born of cradle Catholics, I care about baptism, belief, and behavior—the same matters of free will that Jesus Christ said that matter.

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            • nc bo/bo says:

              John. All jews are not saved, Just like some here. You can’t put all jews in the same box, What I do know is the day a nation turns on the jewish state .My lord will put his hand down.And ANYONE not standing with her is doomed.From where Im setting . This is the problem . Where the people have GOD, there land is milk/honey. Where is not HELL/ FEAR / war/ Where were we a few years back. What changed? Take all crosses down // cant pray// and wonder who that JESUS dude is. This is what the people of this land had done. And they don’t want any kind of TRUTH . laws are being overrun and newone’s put in place . Sick The Bible says this and it tell the people won’t see.

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              • Anon7 says:

                Moshe A. (Abraham) Publicstein: You’re problem is that you can’t process complex issues, so you over simplify them so that your weak little mind can understand them. Just because someone’s name is Jewish doesn’t mean that they are practicing Jews or even 100% Jewish. Like most folks here in America there’s so much mixing that no one is 100% anything. And just because someone who runs a large corporation has a Jewish name certainly doesn’t mean that he has total control of that organization. He has a board of directors and stockholders to answer to as well as the public, most of which are NOT Jewish. Then there are those that also work at these companies, again, most of who are not Jewish. So by the standards of that paranoid mind of yours, then each of these Jewish CEOs is some sort of Svengali, or that the all the non-Jews associated with them are just part of a vast conspiracy. I can hardly wait to see which one you choose, perhaps a mix of both. But hey, feel free to make up whatever delusion you like. Since I’ve just destroyed your little fantasy with logic, you’ll no doubt rant in some sort of denial and twist things around so that they are properly oriented to steady that diseased little brain of yours. Your mental contortions are always entertaining and I’d be interested in seeing how you’ll bend this all around. You must be a big fan of that other anti-Semitic psychotic, Fred Phelps, of the Westboro Baptist Church and of the Skin Heads.

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              • John Q. Public says:

                If you ever find a post of mine using the phrase “all Jews,” please let me know.

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          • shi thead says:

            Any bets on whether tht UK or Sweden is Islamified first?

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            • Anon7 says:

              shi thread: The UK yes since they’re too weak (morally-politically)to resist but the Scandinavian countries have been rethinking their immigration policies and are cutting back, so maybe they’ll save themselves. So my money is on the UK to be the next Islamic country in Europe.

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            • lonelonmum says:

              Given that the Scots are getting their long awaited for vote for independence soon, I’m not sure the United Kingdom of my birth will last long enough to become Islamified!

              If England does, I’m in a Celtic badland where the locals assimilated the Moors during the time of Elizabeth 1st. “Furrin” Muslims won’t be any more welcome than loony evangelical Christians, PC liberals or anyone else who might suggest that the shops on the High Street remain open after lunch on a Saturday lol! The UK is more than just Londistan, praise God.

              Historically Spain hasn’t been Christian very long and like the Balkans, the cracks are showing.

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              • Gwyn says:

                To – loneonmum – Thank you for posting that information.
                I find that interesting. Here is the link about
                the vote that Scotland is going to conduct.
                http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/26/uk-scotland-independence-idUKBRE9AP00820131126

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              • The Old Coach says:

                I think what you meant is that Spain as we know it today is a lot like Great Britain. Catalonia and the Basque country could be Scotland and Wales. It has always had cracks. Just papered over by force.

                True that Spain was over-run by Muslims, but the last battles to get rid of them were in what, the 1200s? It has been a Christian nation for 800 years now. OK, Andalusia never got over being Muslim. Andalusian Christians were as rapacious as Muslims, having forgotten their Christian tradition of charity over several hundred years of occupation.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  Since you mention Spain, Old Coach, in Michael Hoffman’s latest newsletter there is an excellent review of the alliance between the Moors and you know who in Spain AGAINST the Christians. That said, the main focus of the article is an exposé of their deception to conceal their virulent hatred of Jesus Christ and His People. As usual, they are damned by their own admissions.

                  LATEST NEWSLETTER
                  Revisionist History Newsletter no. 70:
                  The Rabbinic Curse on Christians

                  Denied for centuries, this bigoted curse from the misnamed “Amidah blessings” is documented by Michael Hoffman using the forensic methods of exhaustive research and detailed documentation which are a hallmark of his revisionist pursuit of truth wherever it may lead. Revisionist History newsletter no. 70 explores Talmudism’s hateful, ritual curse on Christians, which has echoed perpetually down the corridors of time since at least the days of Rabbi Gamliel, and continues in our time. Citing the Babylonian Talmud, cognate sacred rabbinic texts and the heretofore clandestine statements of the rabbis themselves, Hoffman offers incontrovertible evidence of the eternal hostility which Talmudism harbors for western civilization, which it ritually curses as malkhut zadon (the “empire of insolence”). Also included in this issue is a survey of the secret and ancient alliance between Judaism and Islam. The American Right imagines that Judaism is united to the West culturally and has good will toward the U.S. in particular. The truth of the matter is very different, as revisionist historian Hoffman demonstrates with his usual exactitude. Also in this issue: Black Journalist Exposes Anti-White Hollywood Movie “12 Years a Slave.”

                  http://revisionisthistorystore.blogspot.com/2013/06/revisionist-history-newsletters-section.html

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  P.S. You were only off by nearly 3 centuries, Old Coach. [laughing]

                  The Moors and their Jewish allies were finally driven from Granada in 1492 A.D., the same year that you know who were expelled from Spain, their Moorish alliance and their ritual murders of the Holy Child of LaGuardia and another at Saragosa.

                  From the indictment of one of the murderers:

                  “This Juce Franco personally took part, together with other Jews and with [Marranos], in the crucifixion –at night and in a secret cave– of an innocent Christian boy. They stretched out his arms and legs on two boards arranged in the form of a Cross. Then they flogged him, spat on him, beat him, tore out the pieces of his flesh, and put a crown of thorns on his head. This Juce Franco, with his own hands seized the bleeding boy by the arm, cut open his side with a knife, and took out his heart. Then he beat him and tore his flesh in memory and vituperation of the Sacred Passion of Jesus Christ our Redeemer, uttering curses and insults on the Person of Christ as though He were actually on the Cross. …And after the child had been tortured and crucified by this Juce Franco and the others, they killed him, took him down from the Cross, and took him away and secretly buried him that same night where no one could find him. Some days later this Jew, Juce Franco, and all his other accomplices in this crime, met together secretly in the same cave, where they performed certain conjuring and experiments in witchcraft with the heart of the dead boy and a consecrated Communion wafer. They performed these conjurings with the perverted and diabolical intention of making the Inquisitors against heretical depravity together with all other Christians go mad and die of madness, and of subverting, and destroying and killing the Holy Faith of Jesus.”

                  Longhurst, John Edward. “The Ritual Murder of La Guardia,” The Age of Torquemada. The Library of Iberian Resources Online, XI: 149-152.

                  The resource is online.

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                • John Q. Public says:

                  See also:

                  Walsh, William Thomas. The Last Crusader: Isabella of Spain (Rockford IL: Tan Books, 1987) Chapter 25, “The Crucifixion of the Holy Child of La Guardia Hastens Isabel’s Decision to Expel All the Jews from Spain – a Cause Célèbre,” 342-372

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      • Anonymous says:

        “USDA Report Foresees Collapse of Agriculture” and “Industrial Agriculture Losing Ground Fast”.

        Also, new book– “Tribulation”

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      • Anonymous says:

        Vice Special– Apocalypse, Man– part4 (Youtube)

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      • laeagle says:

        Mac, Selco, Eppe, and All,

        There has been a cival war going on in Burma for over sixty years. Even as we speak people are being killed, tortured, women raped, and villagers forced to abandon their homes and fields as shtf for real. Please check out this website: freeburmarangers.org They are the real deal!

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        • laeagle says:

          ChEck out http://www.freeburmarangers.org for pictures and firsthand reports of shtf in Burma. The Kachins of ‘Merrill’s Marauders and Never So Few” fame are getting pounded really bad by the Burma Army. Gen. Chenault who led the ‘Flying Tigers’ was from Louisiana and had a base in Burma before being forced to move by the invading Japanese Emperial Army. General Stillwell and his forces were provided invaluable assistance during the push to recapture Burma from the Japanese and establish a land route to supply the Chinese from Allied bases in India.

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      • Tom T says:

        Learn to assess, adapt and react. Know when to attack and especially when to retreat (which is most of the time) in survival situations. Learn to disengage your conscience as one person told me, “fair” is just a carnival in survival circumstances. That is how you survive! One of my wilderness survival instructors (in my youth) used to tell me “if you fail you die, if you succeed you get to survive today but, it only gives you more chances to fail tomorrow”. So you can never let your guard down ever in survival situations.

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    2. wrong says:

      Exciting times..

      I’d rather be bored personally.

      Safe weekend everyone.

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    3. Npgh says:

      Ironic that there is trouble is Bosnia again.

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    4. BJinMaine says:

      You must have faith in God and yourself!

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    5. Selco will tell you, stay out of cities.

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      • 1braveheart says:

        also at the daily sheeple and this is on topic: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/surviving-in-extreme-cold_022014

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      • Cities breed normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance. Those two things are like a squelch for your common sense survival insticts. Nature keeps raising the volume but you can’t hear anything. Then, once the squelch pops open, out comes a huge mount of sound and everybody panics.

        Cities breed “there is safety in numbers”. We’ve been told it all our lives, but, the numbers in the cities cannot be trusted. I wish I was farther from the cities, but, I’m reasonably well protected. Cities are concentrated resource drains and the flow comes from outside. The NB and CD keep the flow going but when they break down, the flow stops. The food stops. The gas stops. The electricity tops. Then, the civility stops and all hell breaks loose. 3 days or 3 months, it doesn’t matter. Have a place you can retreat to nomatter what.

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    6. Jonny V says:

      Yep, good old common fucking sense, that’s the most crucial thing you need to ensure survival for you and yours… I guess that means that there’s gonna be one hell of a die-off because there ain’t many cocksuckers left here or anywhere else with even a lick of fuckin sense in their heads….

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      • Katrina is a glaring example, the storm churned off shore for a week and still the idiots didn’t buy any water and was crying b/c Big Brother wasn’t coming with the Calvary fast enough. Instead, big bro seen the whole thing as a opportunity for target practice.

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        • laeagle says:

          .O2, I was there, right in the middle of it. Most of us thought that the disruption would last for only a couple of days and life would resume like it was before. I watched and took pictures as the storm sideswiped the city. The next evening, we had a most beautiful sunset. Yes, there was some water left behind as a result of the storm and there was not electricity or running water, and for the most part, the city had been evacuated, but it was not until the night after the storm hit that we realized something had happened to damage the levies and water was pouring in and rising more than an inch an hour. It caught all of us off guard! For goodness sakes, we still had patients in the hospitals and in the ICUs.

          Hindsight is 20/20. Stored food and water would have done most people no good. People needed to evacuate. We have close to 2 million people in the greater New Orelans area including the Northshore and Westbank. It was a miracle that more people did not die. Our people are familiar with hurricanes and have lived with hurricanes and I must admit that some of us did feel like veterans of such drills, they say “familiarity breeds contempt”. Well, the unexpected and unplanned happened. My family evacuated with 2-3 days of clothes and supplies but didn’t get back home until 4 months later. Like Selco said, “A real survivalist is a man (or woman) who knows what to do in a certain moment. Everything else is just talking and wishful thinking. If you want to increase your chances to survive, then learn to take action quickly. Your knowledge and your skills will help you to make the right decisions and execute actions better.”

          Having endured the long slow evacuation traffic out of New Orleans the year before(there are few roads coming in and leaving New Orleans), I called my wife from work to stop doing what she was doing (she was buying school uniforms) and go home immediately and pack up and evacuate immediately. Within two hours she was on the road and was able to avoid the traffic jams and slow traffic. They made it to their BOL and I stayed behind. Folks, when the time comes, there may not be that much time to get your stuff and family together and evacuate in an orderly fashion. You will need to think and act quickly and adjust your plans as the conditions change and the situation demands.

          We certainly got our share of criticism and perhaps we deserved it, but, no one anticipated or could anticipate what finally happened. Many survived thanks to American ingenuity, tenacity, and the generosity of our neighbors, friends and family and the American people and the American government. Once the extent of the damage was realized help was organized in an orderly fashion and extended to all who needed help. We will always live with harrowing stories and there is no doubt that atleast for this generation the experience changed our lives and our way of thinking. We continue to live surrounded by water and below sea-level, but hell, this is our home, and we are proud of it. You all come and visit us and “Let the good times roll” once again!

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          • wncmountainboy says:

            WOW! Imagine it…a sub-sea level city getting inundated with water. Would have never thought such a thing could happen.
            What idiots would think of building a population center there? Oh, my bad…it was the French.

            omelet du fromage, omelet du fromage.

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            • shi thead says:

              I read that when LA was seeking statehood, the capital was placed in Baton Ruge instead of New Orleans because of the obvious danger of flooding.

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            • laeagle says:

              WNCMB: Actually I consider myself a mountainboy and fell in love with the mountains in Eastern TN and Northwestern NC. I have many happy memories of times hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, fall-sliding, rafting, tubing, skiing, and swimming in that area. You are lucky to be living there and Lord willing, I would love to get back there.

              People live in many places in this world of ours for various and multitude of reasons. As can be seen from all the natural and manmade calamities that have befallen us during the past 10-15 years, I have come to the conclusion that there really are not that many places on this earth that are completely safe. Most places are vulnerable to one or the other of the following, including: Droughts, desertification, Earthquakes, Tsunamies, Flooding, Hurricanes, Tornados, Storms, Blizzards, Asteroids, Fires, Valcanoes, Wars, wild animals, poisonous plants, animals, critters,and geological anomalies/radiation/gas, Landslides, Diseases, Epidemics, Pandemics, Pestilences, to name a few.

              In other words there are very few ideal locations left in this world. With the recent cold snap, many of us living in the south wonder how in the world people can stand living up north! The wonderful thing is that humans adapt and find ways to carve out a niche to live and raise families even in some of the most harsh physical conditions.

              Lousiana is truly blessed with some wonderful natural resources, climate, and food sources. The Acadians who settled down here were a hardy bunch but they discovered a sanctuary by learning to understand and adapt to the conditions and available resources down here. Personally, I would call this area the South-central Redoubt. It is not called a “Sportsman’s Paradise” for nothing. The area is strategically located and with a little planning and forethought life can be quite secure and comfortable. We do need to respect mother-nature and build and live accordingly.

              Interestingly, the ‘idiotic French’ built their city on relatively ‘high-ground’ and during Katrina the ‘sinful’ French Quarters and Bourbon Street were one of the few places not flooded! Isn’t that ironic?

              Thanks for your comments! Come visit us sometime. But, I must admit that I do miss them thar hills you live in Mountain Boy!

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              • Anonymous says:

                laeagle, that’s right! I was thinking of moving down south around the area you mentioned– mountains of NC.. but I heard about all the poisonous snakes… and of course, the futher south you go, the more poisonous spiders, all sorts of poisonous insects, snakes, whatnot… anyhow, not sure if I will move down there or not. Mountains are beautiful but I prefer northern climate and less bugs!

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              • PO'd Patriot says:

                laeagle, been contemplating on heading down to Maggie’s Valley come March when we ease on into eastern TN to see “Maw and Pap”. I hear tell its a nice place to relax.

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              • db427 says:

                laeagle, see there lies the problem, you said those who settled there were a hardy bunch. people are no longer anything of the sort.

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        • 1braveheart says:

          Howdy .02. The same idiots in Katrina had no problem looting stores and taking all kinds of things. I can still remember the videos of them taking big-screen TVs through the flood waters although the power was out at the time. I still laugh at their stupidity. all at the same time they were crying, “Where’s the government?”

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          • laeagle says:

            BH, desperate people do desperate things, in desperate conditions. Looting and pillaging after a crisis or catastrophe is not so uncommon. Some may even think of it as scavanging. The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation. When there is no law, the lawless feel free. They feel free to do what ever they want. Of course, not without risks. I wonder, how many of us would pick up guns, food, and ammunition that didn’t belong to us in such a situation. Definitely a question for Selco, he will know.

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            • The line is not always clear regarding what is right and what is wrong especially in a SHTF situation.

              I have to call bullshit on this one. If they were maybe looting pampers, baby formula and water that is one thing, but taking material possessions for “later” when the power is back on is pure ass thievery and the bastards should be shot.

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              • Ryback says:

                If it gets really bad, no chance for recovery, people will kill one another for what we throw away today.

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              • Jim in Va. says:

                Eisen; your idea of prepping will get you killed.

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              • laeagle says:

                O2, You are welcome to take the first shot!

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              • laeagle says:

                E, in situations like this, people tend to grab whatever is there, whatever is left. Perhaps the flat screen can be used as a bartering item for something really essential to your survival. Your list of prepping supplies may make the difference between life and death. During Katrina, there were incidences where folks went out with what they called a Mississippi credit card (hose) and gas tank to siphon gas out of the abandoned cars to run the small generators. Many tools have to be improvised in dire situations like the aftermath of Katrina. Thanks for pointing this out!

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              • .02, I agree, however, why would you shoot someone for stealing a (at that point) worthless TV?

                You would not. You’d save your ammo to take care of those that would try to steal your food.

                Let the morons have their TVs. They’ll starve while they wait for the power to come back on. You won’t have to shoot them because those types always eliminate themselves first. The only reason they are around today is because the giverment keeps them alive by feeding and caring for form.

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                • Jonny V says:

                  Exactly. If they had a lick of fucking sense in their heads, they wouldn’t be in that position in the first place. Idiots steal tv’s, and even if it’s wrong, it’s not my job to stop it. My job is to ensure survival for my family. The tv looters can go about their merry way until they present a direct threat, at which point they have to be addressed.

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                • Paranoid says:

                  If you have the ammo, you should have; shooting the guy stealing the TV is a good idea. if you can get away with it. In a SHTF condition he’s going to have to be removed from the Gene pool, before he starts getting to be a problem, and he will get worse, not better.

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              • Any Mouse says:

                In the longterm Cross is right. Having tools to be able to gain access to locked areas the have been abandoned will be critical.

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            • Paranoid says:

              Looting food to feed your family is one thing, stealing TV’s is quite another. At least one food store gave it all away. Humans are humans, animals are animals. Wild animals get shot. two legs or four.

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              • lower40 says:

                paranoid

                i agree ,if your taking TV’s or basket balls or vacuum cleaners your a pc. of shit ,there aint anyway to spin it ,who the fuck is going to take a TV to barter ,hell they probly never heard the word ,probly thought you were talking about barter’s and james wine coolers,they were just plain simple fuckin scum ,opertunist, they’d just as soon took the TV if it was in your living room ,the only thing people like that understand is lead poisan

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              • Stephen says:

                If your house (and TV) was destroyed in a city-wide disaster, and you knew it could be weeks or months before you could afford to replace them (even with insurance) then that unguarded flatscreen will look awfully tempting.

                Although I suppose you and your family can sit on overturned buckets, singing Stars and Stripes Forever for a couple of weeks, secure in the knowledge that your honor is unblemished.

                I’m only saying not every looter is an idiot loser who’s trying to profit from misery.

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                • shi thead says:

                  Its easy to babble about “honor”, but in a real crisis, everybody’s value system becomes “fluid” and “evolves”.

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                • Ordinary Joe says:

                  @shi thead
                  Very true, I find it humorous that these people on here state we will keep our wits with FAITH, GOD, AND MORALS. When it all goes down all that other crap goes out too. It truly is going to be every person for themselves, even in family or group situations.

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                • lonelonmum says:

                  don’t have a tv now – why would I want one after a disaster?

                  Once we get home and shut my front door, my home is my child’s sanctuary from all the filth outside.

                  Wanna give the next generation a chance?

                  Get them out of state-run schools and get rid of the TV. Do not allow them to have anything other than the most basic brick style mobile phones in case of emergency on trips away. (Nobody is gonna kill your teen for a Nokia 3210 – the same cannot be said of an iphone!).

                  If my kid wants to watch TV? I’ll get the parts from the tip and let him sit there and build one for himself. In years gone by, most little boys built their own radio at some point.

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                • lower40 says:

                  OK ,stephan ,shi ,ordinary joe

                  what you are saying is that a crisis gives you an excuse to become an animal ,and your saying that if it suits you then you’ll come and take whats mine ,after all anything your stealing belongs to some one else ,and yes my FAITH ,GOD, and MORALS will still be in place in a shtf ,but why am i telling you ,your obiously making a slight on christians, i cant imagine how the hell anyone could be thinking about whoa is me i dont have a big screen TV in this crisis ,like i said before ,a theif is a theif is a theif ,take somthing of mine and i promise you wont be around to enjoy it

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                • Paranoid says:

                  A TV IS NOT A SURVIVAL ISSUE! Mostly it’s anti survival. You get shot stealing bread for your kids that’s bad. You get shot stealing a TV that’s Good.

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              • Anonymous says:

                If your chances of survival are down to the lowest level possible, who gives a fuch about “laws” of the land! Geezh! Give me a break! They were in SHTF!

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                • Anonymous says:

                  iF THEY WERE STEALING FROM NEIGHBORS, THATS ONE THING: THEY WERE STEALING FROM STORES– THE ESTABLISHMENT WHO HAD DESERTED THEM!

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                • lower40 says:

                  has everyone lost there fucking mind on this site ,really its ok to take from the buss ,im a buss work my ass of for the little money i make ,a freind of mine has a little store he aint making a killing ,i have several freinds that are self employed ,work there ass off just to stay afloat,you people put me in mind of a drunk that runs his mouth and says shit when he’s drunk that he wouldnt other wise say ,the fact is he’s saying what he really thinks ,i hope when you go to take your big screens and dildo’s and fake chrismas tree’s ,that you get just what you deserve ,and then some

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        • John Stiner says:

          I think a lot of people don’t realize they are in a crisis until it is too late. They fail to see the gravity of the situation.
          I am an insurance adjuster and I did Katrina claims. In Chalmette LA just outside of New Orleans I adjusted several houses in a two street neighborhood. All nice houses. About every other house was a 2 story house. There were 48 dead people out of about 100 houses. Basically everybody that lived in a single story house died, but the ones in a 2 story house lived. The storm surge went from zero to 10 feet in less than 5 minutes.

          The people did not realize that they could die. The were totally caught off guard and could not even flee to their neighbors house for protection.

          Before you can respond to a crisis you have to realize there is a crisis approaching or in progress. Most people will never see it coming.

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          • Merree says:

            I have gone to some disaster planning meetings where there were accounts from the medical staff at the hospitals in New Orleans. The hospitals didn’t anticipate the flooding but they did have some disaster planning prior to the event. One nurse reported that having a security team was very valuable because it kept the looters out of the hospital.

            Another thing that struck me- many of the people who died were over sixty. They had been through previous hurricanes in their homes and they were confident they could survive. In some cases, they wanted to stay to protect their homes from looters.

            One sad image was a woman who found her elderly father dead in his attic, clutching a baseball bat and a Bible. She thinks he died from the extreme heat after the flooding because he had a heart condition. He had refused to evacuate so he could protect his home. I think this might be an important lesson for survival.

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            • laeagle says:

              Merree, There was no rain or cloud cover the day after Katrina passed through and it was miserably hot. I could see how the old man died of heatstroke and dehydration. It is understandable that one would want to protect their home and property and you use whatever you have to do so, even a baseball bat if it comes to that.

              Most of us were thinking we had been spared a direct hit the day of Katrina since the storm pivotted to the east just south of us. The shock came two days later when we were getting inundated with flood waters. The situation in Chalmette and the lower ninth ward was dire once the hurricane hit.

              Like Selco says, “Those who can switch fast and let their ideas of normal life go increase their chances of survival a lot.”, we have to be willing to adapt to new situations and circumstances and even abandon property and possessions if the situation becomes untenable or life threatening.

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            • shi thead says:

              And to this day, the residents of New Orleans struggle to rebuild their city below sea level.

              Levee system=protecting your city from floods with literally a pile of dirt. What could go wrong?

              Scary when you think of the collective centuries of “higher education” the designers possess. If these are the best and brightest, USA is doomed.

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              • No only that, Si Thead, a pile of dirt “build by government employees”.

                Government is the Anti-Midas. Remember the story of King Midas? Every thing touched turned to gold. Well, everything the government touches turns to complete and utter DUNG. Dangerous crap, that is.

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          • Them Guys says:

            Hard to see it coming when EVERY MSM TV News and the weather chanel Tv is broadcasting 24/7 for one or Two weeks in advance of the worst ever hurricane aproaching YOUR town eh!

            Boy there sure seems to be alot of liberal types here makeing all types of excuses for african monkys who Loot at every chance, crises or not!

            I learned from 43 yrs life in Detroit, ground Zero for ruthless jungle minded african rioters and looters.

            That whenever blacks riot or loot and Burn down their neighboorhoods it is due to their mindset that by doing such the blacks are sticking it To the Man!

            To the White man!…Its all about “We gonna show dem whiteys Now aint we!”.

            Vast differences exist based on race and related issues.

            Sorry to burst any bubble fantasy’s but we are NOT all the same except for “color”…Yeah we are all the same when its about various human rights etc…But…Thats…where it Ends for equalities.

            Compare ANY BRN (black run nation) like Hati or africa to any whitey run nation and nobody can dispute a vast difference.

            Makeing so many excuses for every wrong action done by blacks just enables them to never change for the better.

            Nobody has had more opertunities the past 50 yrs than blacks has had. After 40+ yrs of liberals attempting to Boost Up blacks to be as intelligent etc as whiteys are, and Failing in every area…Do libs finally Admit to failures?…NO!…Libs instead adopt a New tactic!

            NEW Lib Tactic= Since negroes as a whole cannot be equalized UP with whiteys…Lets just reverse our lib plans and take whites Down. Very Far down untill blacks & whites are equally down and dumb.

            Newsflash! NOTHING in entire universe was ever created “Equal”…Even every snow flake is “different”…NO animals or birds are equal.

            And NO two humans are equal in ways libs try to equalize everything.

            After 50 yrs of black run major cities, and the fuckin huge Mess that caused…How in the world can anybody still make excuses for blacks wrong behaviours?

            And if blacks cannot Learn civility and how to act like white folks after several Hundred years of life in white nations?…..Maybe abe lincolns orig plans to send em all Back to africa is what Libs need attempt Next eh…

            If theres simply zero differences and nothing wrong with blacks generally?…Why has africa and hati etc not yet been made equal to white western nations in general?

            I just do Not understand why it so bothers some folks to admit that some races Are inferior to other races in most general ways etc…

            Yes there are exceptions as there always are…But That wont change reality that what I stated is correct like it or not…I wonder How many lib types who keep makeing excuses for blacks regardless what wrongs blacks does, has ever said “gee I sure wish I could switch to be a black instead of a white man or women?”

            NONE I’d wager!…Why Is that?

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            • Gwyn says:

              Well said.

              Worked with the ghetto mindset for 12 years and 3 months at ‘de red cross.’ I felt like I was back in the early 60′s. The poor, oppressed, downtrodden blacks I worked with had a chip on their shoulders and made it rough for the ‘whities.’ Of course, all it showed was their – ‘ Ignorance, Stupidity, Reverse Racism, Self-Centerness, and childishness.’ Management, who were primarily black, ignored it, encouraged it, or looked the other way.

              I remember a white donor being totally ignored by the all black staff, (except for me, as I was the whitey)
              The blacks all sat around the black supervisor table laughing and screaming, and talking their ‘ebonics.’
              The guy was an older man but sat and finished his canteen refreshments.

              When Mikey Jackson the pedophile died, you’d have thought Jesus Christ died a 2nd time.

              I threw in the towel and quit, using my 4 yr. college degree, cum laude, in another way. I thought I was helping people, and maybe I helped a few here and there, but the work environment was Hostile and Terribly Mismanaged. Fubar.
              They are always crying for blood and money.
              I can see why. Go to a blood drive and watch the circus.
              Its laughable. They’ll be a-hurting when synthetic blood keeps on being developed. The FDA has a field day
              fining the red cross Millions and Millions of dollars.
              Of course, they have a special slush fund, just throw the millions at the FDA and keep on screwing up.

              To this day, I cannot watch any black that is on the t.v. except the weather channel. I don’t watch that much t.v. anymore, anyways, I am mainly on the computer.

              It is a Whole Different Culture, A Whole Different Mind Set, and A Whole Way of Behavior. It will Never, Ever, Ever Change. Even when they are educated. They still have that residual ‘I hate whitey’ attitude.
              I have seen it, been around it, and saturated in it.

              Its been a joy and refreshing to not be around ‘them.’
              And I never will be again.
              Am I prejudice? You betcha.

              Wheres dat ‘Knock – Out Game?’ Gotta kill me another whitey.

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              • Gwyn says:

                The above post to ‘Them Guys.’
                My last sentence was ‘Sarcasm, Big Time.’
                In Sports most are Thugs, in Music most are Thugs.
                J-Z is a Pig.

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          • laeagle says:

            JS NR TG SH Anon, et al, Great discussion, many salient points worth further development and expansion. I am not a liberal trying to defend criminals but as has been pointed out by some and by Selco, your way of thinking has to adapt in a paradigm shift or you will not be able to survive. I do believe our relationship with God is fundamental and our accountability is eternal and our actions cannot be hidden under the cloak of darkness even in a shtf situation.

            For me, the black man or woman is just as much my brother or sister as the white man or woman. There are levels and differences in IQ among all races, and it is quite possible yours are higher than mine but that does not make me less human or of less worth than you. I know a little Black boy from the “hood” who has an IQ that is at the highest level. At age 11 he has been admitted to Rice University and to MIT with full scolarships! Who has enough wisdom to put value or a price tag on a human life? Certainly, skin color cannot and should not ever be used to assign value

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        • John W. says:

          Actually it was little bro who turned down all offers of help before the storm hit. Assets were in place including a Navy LHD big deck but both the governor and the mayor refused to take any action. Had Bush moved on his own then the racism charge would be thrown around. Remember all the school buses that could have been used to get people out but Nagin did not use them because they were not good enough and instead left them to get flooded out and ruined.

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          • Merree says:

            I think the mayor of New Orleans had a meltdown and failed to bring in many of the resources that were available. I think he was like many politicians- able to maneuver and manipulate to get into a political position but no real common sense and no ability to deal with something out of the ordinary.

            I had been through some disaster training and they told us about medical and relief pods that are available. Here in Kansas, they supposedly can be delivered anywhere in the state within 24 hours after a disaster, like a major tornado. But the governor has to order the National Guard or the military to send the pods to the location. I know other states have these too and they are also able to send the pods to assist other states. I think my family got tired of me saying, “why is no one sending the disaster assistance pods to New Orleans?” while I watched the news of the disaster. But they only get sent in if the people at the top allow it.

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            • eppe says:

              Merree,
              I worked at a company called Cox Communications, where Nagin was the head of the cable side there in LA. He was an idiot then too. He had zero common sense, and showed it often. Not being racist, but common sense means a lot in the corporate world, but they promote those to the upper echelon by being a “YES” man whether or not they deserved it, and it showed as being mayor of New Orleans, dammit we should have picked our own cotton….

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              • 1braveheart says:

                Eppe, I say the only way Nagin got anywhere was affirmative action. As a black male he’s entitled to special treatment under federal law.

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              • Merree says:

                I agree. A very long time ago, I worked with a black man and he was having an affair with another employee. He turned the company’s petty cash fund over to her for her personal use. The company ignored all of that. Instead he was held up as a great asset and received many awards. When I pointed out a number of very serious criminal behaviors, he was quietly let go. Then he pops up soon after as the mayor of a town in a nearby state.
                In both cases, he was able to use the race issue to win political favor.

                On the other hand, I have some other friends who are black and are very upstanding citizens. They work to get ahead on their own merits and they struggle to succeed. I have a lot of respect for their integrity. They are sort of “anti-politicians”.

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      • 1braveheart says:

        Jonny V, welcome aboard, and you’re right there will be a massive die-off, called ‘the great culling’ by some of us here. Far too many refuse to wake up and get a clue.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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        • You go away Anon if you cant handle it. Maybe you should be on Christian Mingle? No censors please.

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          • 1braveheart says:

            .02, I agree, no censors, and I won’t even say please.

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          • laeagle says:

            .02, What goes around, comes around. You were judging my character but you don’t really know me, do you? There are many things that are done in desperate SHTF situations that may not be acceptable, moral, or expedient. This is the whole point of this article. If there are situations where you are prepared to kill a child, your going to tell me that you are not going to take that big abandoned flat screen TV, or siphon gas from an abandoned car because your character is ‘above reproach’ or your character might get stained? Yet, you are prepared to resort to cannibalism to survive! Something wrong here. Hypocrisy? It sure smells like it! No?

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        • shi thead says:

          Are MY obcenities welcome?

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      • Arby says:

        I’ve said it before but…

        Have you noticed that COMMON SENSE is not so Common?

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      • sixpack says:

        Jonny V, you mean like the people caught in a hail of gunfire, who will invariably stand up and look, trying to see if they might know the gunman?

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      • tzulu says:

        JV
        if its called common sense, then why do so few seem to have it? :)

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      • ruth says:

        You tech geeks must work harder on developing that artificial intelligence I keep hearing about. The naturally occurring variety is getting hard to find.

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    7. laeagle says:

      Selco always says it like it is. His points are well taken.

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    8. Norse Prepper says:

      I always appreciate Selco’s articles. I’m also one that hopes we don’t ever get to this point in America, but don’t see how a collapse can be avoided, only delayed.

      As much as some say “Bring it on!”. I’m of the opinion that there will be too much pain/strife/death of good people that I pray for some form of miracle.

      In the meantime we all need to prepare for this to happen and be ready to protect those who we choose to prep for.

      God Bless,
      NP

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      • 1braveheart says:

        Howdy, NP, I’ll always stop the world to read an article written by Selco. He really is the real deal. Everyone would do very, very well to follow his advice. Selco will never steer you wrong.

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    9. Azam says:

      Always a good article. I read a lot of the stores from this war from people who survived it. It is always good to hear advise from people who really experienced the events first hand.

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    10. MXLord327 says:

      This is why I’ve never really like the terms “prepper” or “survivalist.” It is more about conditioning yourself to be aware of what is going on around you, and to be able to recognize when your thinking or plans are wrong for the situation, and improvise & adapt quickly. Kind of like our stupid gov’t, continuing down the same incorrect path will get you killed….

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      • Joey says:

        That’s why I don’t refer to myself or others like me as preppers, we’re warriors plain and simple.

        There’s a BIG difference in the mindset of a warrior and that of the media-hypnotized, cowering sheep.

        Dressing up to play GI Joe, as our local oppressor enforcers like to do on our dime, isn’t going to amount to a hill of ish when the time comes to ‘Knuckle Up”, except for providing us with a lot of slightly used equipment…

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        • A lot like the French rifles in WWII, “almost new only dropped once.”

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          • no justice says:

            Actually, the French Mas 49-56 is a nice rifle, even if ammo is a it hard to find. Not bad to reload, though.

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          • Paranoid says:

            Actually, most of them were dropped twice. Once in WWI & Then WWII. And yes, there were a few nice guns. Most were true S***, Their machine guns were terrible and their rifles were so bad the allies found them in piles after the war was over, the Germans didn’t even bother to melt them.

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            • shi thead says:

              Interesting that despite the technological achievements by the Germans in WWII, they still tried to fight that war with bolt action rifles. Semi autos weren’t exactly new to the world.

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              • Paranoid says:

                It was on purpose; it cuts down on wasted ammo by much more than half. Actually close to 90% The Germans knew they did not have the capacity to make that much more. As it was they never did run out of ammo.

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          • John W. says:

            An entire generation of French men was wiped out in WW1. Had the US suffered the same casualties we might not have done so well either. Ever looked at the numbers of killed and wounded from that war? Not to mention the disease casualties. How many wars you fought in clown?

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            • lonelonmum says:

              Spanish flu took a lot of lives too at that time John W.

              The young and strong were the first to fall victim to that awful pandemic.

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            • ruth says:

              Until the Viet Nam era, more soldiers were lost to things like disease than enemy action. America’s experience in Iraq highlights how far trauma treatment has come, as long as you have enormous resources to throw at it, which isn’t the norm.

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            • Paranoid says:

              Did you ever look at why they lost so many men? Absolute total incompetence.. Thank God Black Jack Pershing told them he would NEVER put an American soldier under the command of any Foreign officer and the President backed him up. Brits were just as bad. There should have been wholesale hangings of the General Staffs.

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      • Prepared Pastor says:

        Inability to adapt summarizes the entire book Why Complex Societies Collapse. It’s a great book and probably available through your local libraries inter-library loan.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          I assume you mean “The Collapse of Complex Societies” by Tainter?

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          • John W. says:

            Read “erectus walks among us” by Richard D. Fuerle which depicts what will happen when the Western societies cease to exist and the world slowly drifts back to primitive/savage conditions. It will only take a generation to be back in the time of Columbus as to living conditions.

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      • lower40 says:

        agreed MX

        a better phrase would be critical thinker ,or having situational awarness ,but this should be apart of your daily life ,if you aproach a intersetion and have a green light dont just assume you can just breeze right through ,when you go in a restaraunt observe you surroundings ,if your talking to a shadey character that makes you nervous put you hand in your pocket on your gun(unless you live in NY or cali)my dad just called it having common sense

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        • jerrytbg says:

          “situational awareness” …

          Spot on…this is an ability that can be learned and honed sharp…To the point it becomes second nature…
          thank you DOD… :-)

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    11. JayJay says:

      Well, Indiana has taken action to “recognize the unique character of a citizen’s home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant.”

      This special amendment is no revolutionary new thought, only common sense.
      The law states:
      (i) A person is justified in using reasonable force against a public servant if the person reasonably believes the force is necessary to:
      (1) protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force;
      (2) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful entry of or attack on the person’s dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle; or
      (3) prevent or terminate the public servant’s unlawful trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person’s possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person’s immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect.

      It is through legislation such as this, which will empower people again and aid in bringing down these tyrants from their pedestals, who are given free rein to murder and pillage without consequence.
      Emphasis is mine.

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      • we already have this..its called the 4th amendment.
        they can stop making up any new bullshit “laws” ..its already covered under the supreme law of this land..the Constitution and Bill of rights

        Come thru my door unwelcome and uninvited , you’ll get to meet God and my Gun.. Simultaneously
        I don’t give a shit who they think they are..a fancy out fit, and a badge dont stop a 12 gauge

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      • Smokey says:

        The phrase “reasonably believes” is the one that is going to get you in jail for a long time.

        When the deputy comes up to your car and you start thinking about blue helmets and FEMA camps, you are beyond the intent of the law and are going to be put away for it. A jury is not going to agree those are reasonable beliefs held by a prudent individual.

        The 4th Amendment is the key, and the courts are the defense.

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      • JayJay says:

        Cop Killed During a No-Knock Raid, Texas Jury Refuses to Indict Homeowner -

        In a clear victory against the police state, a grand jury in central Texas refused to press capital murder charges against a homeowner who shot and killed a police officer after a SWAT team unexpectedly burst into his home to execute a no-knock raid.

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        • 1braveheart says:

          JayJay, I posted a link to that story above.

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          J J
          I pray for the Officers family. That there pain from their loose will be removed.
          I think No-Knock raids are WRONG!!!
          Sgt.

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          • sixpack says:

            Yep, Sgt.

            Unless you’re standing on Manuel Noriega’s doorstep, no-knocks have no place in law enforcement. The idea that it is acceptable to kill one or more people to “preserve evidence of a crime” is ridiculous—especially since they’re usually talking about a little bag of some kind of dope, before it gets flushed down the toilet.

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          • JayJay says:

            Agreed—but this message MUST get to the other Rambo cops out there–we are tired of injustice for injustice for one is injustice for all.
            It is time for all to accept responsibility for protecting their families–it is our job–not Rambos.

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          • The Old Coach says:

            IMHO the unions need to be squeezed out of law enforcement. The invariably support the miscreant, and make next to impossible for management to maintain a high quality work force. At least that’s what I saw the UAW doing when I was serving my 15 year sentence as a Tier One supplier to GM and Ford.

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            • shi thead says:

              80% of GM’s suppliers say they’d rather not do business with them.

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              • The Old Coach says:

                Before I got to Michigan I did contract admin for DoD jobs for two different employers. Then I got roped into working with GM. And I kept saying ever after that I never dreamed I’d look back fondly to the days when I dealt with the Government.

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            • shi thead says:

              In this part of the world, 90% of fired cops get their jobs back in arbitration. Makes the city/county reluctant to fire them in the first place.

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          • John W. says:

            They even do them for civil matters which is outrageous. These are monetary fine type cases and there is no reason to show up with AR-15 armed Keystone cops. The one in Iowa where they destroyed the homes surveillance cameras was typical not to mention what looks like ten or more bozos in full battle gear to serve a no knock on a non violent minor offender.

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        • lower40 says:

          back in days when a lot of square grouper was being brought in Via the everglades ,the cops were like rabid dogs ,they would bust in the doors on the wrong houses regularly ,some times they would get the right duplex ,but then would bust through the divider door between the two into the next renters apt.

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    12. Most young people in America are selfish, lazy, and think Jimmy Johns should deliver sandwiches directly into their mouths. Most young Americans think they can ride the coattails of previous, hardworking generations. In the trades, construction, plumbing, etc, the 20 somethings are not joining b/c it is hard work. They are gona be fvked when the pipes freeze and the garbage disposal backs up because there is going to no one in America that cant fix anything after the boomers die out. Believe me, I work construction and our industry is loaded with gray hair.

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      • Caliber says:

        at least you said “most”
        im 24, been working same job since I was 19. moved up fast, skipped college, no debt.
        i consider myself to have common sense. my buddies laugh when i say they need to stock up food and water in case of job loss, or any shtf event.
        high school teaches us that the government will always have your back. its depressing.

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        • Kulafarmer says:

          Right on C,
          Good to hear, your not alone and things dont change, i used to get the oh you didnt go to college thing, and the oh your a carpenter, ha, now lots of those same people are sucking wind and cant do shit.

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          • sixpack says:

            This carpenter made almost $30.00 an hour, or prevailing wage…let ‘em laugh at that. I laughed all the way to the bank.

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            • The Old Coach says:

              Until some illegal wetback took your job…..

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              • sixpack says:

                No wetback took my job. I suffered a spinal injury.

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                • John W. says:

                  A buddy of mine who was a framer in Texas told me how most crews are all Mexican. Should an Anglo get on a crew they will drive him off by screwing with him and his stuff. Favorite was dropping things from an upper floor. Most got the hint and quit.

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                • sixpack says:

                  I think I’d have dropped something dirty, greasy and wet off of some scaffolding somewhere…as I said—NO WETBACK TOOK MY JOB.

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              • Them Guys says:

                So wetback bashing is Okay? As long as nobody says any truths that portray jews in a negative way right?

                So….Typical eh

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                • lastmanstanding says:

                  For what it’s worth, most wet-backs just want a job.

                  Most jews just want a servant…and all the control that comes with it.

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                • Sgt. Dale says:

                  Last:
                  It takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.
                  Sgt

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                • lastmanstanding says:

                  That it does Sgt…day of reckoning is coming.

                  I know that you will do the right thing.

                  God Bless you and…

                  “don’t go down without one helluva fight”

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                • sixpack says:

                  Them Guys, I was hypothetically referring to someone who was hypothetically trying to get rid of me at my hypothetical job. No kind words for that guy, and I’d use any means necessary to keep my job, conventional or not, regardless of race issues.

                  Did I mention my married name at one time WAS Martinez? A mexican-indian born in Colorado.

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            • Shootit says:

              Currently we are at $45.00 an hour or we bid the job and figure it at $60. Work for friends at $30 cash.

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              • wrong says:

                35 is about our max here in n Michigan. Works for me.

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              • sixpack says:

                When I was contracting for myself, I did the same thing, shootit. When I was last working heavy construction was in the late 90′s, and I was a member of the UBC, so I was union. Seems wages haven’t gone up much since then.

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                • sixpack says:

                  …which any way you slice it, it was better than siting on my ass collecting SSI and food stamps…

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                • Shootit says:

                  If you factor in the “real value” of the dollar our wages must be about 1/2 of what they were in the late 90′s. No unions on my end. Our largest project over the last couple of years was a $450,000 house. We do a lot of remodels, garages, and concrete. I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything.

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                • sixpack says:

                  “I am just glad that I have the skills and tools to build about anything”

                  AMEN, shootit!

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                • Shootit says:

                  Did you ever realize that a six pack of beer’s price is directly related to the minimum wadge. Just think back in history and a premium beer’s price = minimum wadge. Holds true today.

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        • shi thead says:

          I hear there are manygood jobs in the trdes left unfilled because of a dearth of interest. Welders and plumbers can make a great living without crushing student debt. Most 20somethings want to bang keys on a keyboard. Their teachers told them this was the future and nobody had to take away the trash.

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          • I have seen it first hand s-. head in the oil patch. Long hard grueling hours in the elements, but you can make 100 grand a year but the kids wash out so fast it is pathetic.

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            • hammerhead says:

              02 , They wash out fast in construction too.
              What is gonna happen in a survival environment?
              It scares me , they will crumble like a cookie.

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              • The generation that has always had lights on a switch and hot water on demand is going to be shocked. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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              • Faith of the fallen says:

                I build trains for a living. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. You have to be physically fit to handle the steel and swing a 10 lb hammer. I weld and fabricate. We can’t keep high school type kids because they’re scared of cranes, machines, and dirty environments even tho the pay is awesome. Most people that walk in the door at my job complain about working hard and getting dirty even when they can’t come close to making that kind of money any where else.

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                • I know what you mean. I worked on the furnace and then the pouring floor in Keokuk Steel Castings, pouring 3200 degree molten metal out of a 800lb shank. And most, like 8 out of 10 didn’t make it through the first day. Difference being, the pay sucked.

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            • Ryback says:

              02, The young ones usually start in construction clean up. They don’t like the grunt work, they want to swing hammers. Can’t understand they have to start somewhere and move up. They want everything right here right now. Its how some parents raise them, or they get it from the schools.

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            • shi thead says:

              My brother did fire sprinklers for years and often had helpers go to lunch and not return.

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          • 1happycountrymom says:

            I’ve got 2 boys, mid-twenties, relaxed homeschooled in Texas.
            One is a welder, the other is a plumber. Funny how that works!!

            Ya’ll keep preppin’

            (We finally got 1/2″ snow!!)

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          • Smokey says:

            The garbagemen up here are pulling down $100,000 a year.

            Union job, no layoffs, most lifting is machine-assisted.

            Were I 18 years old, I’d take a serious look at it for a career.

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        • 1braveheart says:

          Caliber, I take my hat off to you. If you’re already prepping, then you’re ahead of 99% of the people in your age group. You sound like someone who lives in the real world and knows what’s coming. You know how to think for yourself and that is essential for survival in any adverse situation. You’ll make it just fine in any SHTF scenario. You especially did right to avoid college and student loan debt. with the exception of medicine there’s not a degree out there that really means anything anymore. Best wishes.

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          • Caliber says:

            I appreciate that braveheart.

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          • Paranoid says:

            Except for your last stupid statement I am amazed I agree with you. As far as the last neither one is an idiot, In addition; Education does not keep people from being stupid, it just gives them more data to be wrong about. If you take the right courses; it can teach you to be a well mannered ass, you should consider them.

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            • lonelonmum says:

              I’ve thought for a long time that parents could only distinguish between the words “education” and “indoctrination” all those not competing for a Darwin Award would haul their kids out of government run schools.

              I’m terrible at maths, so for fun I’m working through 7th and 8th grade of “Rays Arithmetic” again. (I homeschool so need to be on top of the basics to help my kid). Compared to the maths kids do today at 18 it’s embarrassing to see how low we’ve sunk.

              There are a LOT of grandparents out there old enough to have witnessed the deterioration in standards that should to work teaching the grand kids before it is too late. Retirement is a new concept for mankind and frankly those elders that think they have no purpose but to wallow in leisure while their grandchildren are dumbed down to complete imbecility are leaving no legacy worth anything at all.

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          • Northern Reb says:

            EISEN:
            That BS!!!
            You have no clue of what went on in the 70′s. and it was not the baby boomer that thought everyone had to go to college. I know I was there.
            That idea came from those bright people in Washington in the 60′s.
            Those baby boomers were still in high school or in Nam fighting a war.
            Your ignorance superedes stupidity
            S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S N.REB

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          • 1braveheart says:

            Eisen, for once, you had a decent conversation going there except for your remarks about boomer assholes plus me and BI. I have to correct part of your statement. IT WAS THE SO-CALLED “EDUCATORS” IN THE U.S. DEPT. OF EDUCATION WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE AND BE ENTITLED TO A LOAN TO PAY FOR IT. WHAT THEY HAVE CALLED “EDUCATION” SINCE THE 1980S IS NOTHING BUT PROPAGANDA AND TOTAL GARBAGE. PLUS, BE INFORMED AND I BOTH ARE FAR BETTER EDUCATED THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO IS WORTHLESS AND HAS SOME REAL ISSUES, YOU F#$%IN MORON, SODOMITE, COMMUNIST ANIMAL. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO GO DIE.

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            • 1braveheart says:

              To everyone here: Everyone here knows I don’t normally get like this, but eisen is a real piece of work for a troll. I got some bad news about something totally unrelated earlier, so I come back online and see this troll’s latest post and I just blew up. No, I don’t really want Eisen to go die, just to go away from our site and never come back. I’ll admit I crossed a line with that one item but I stand by the rest of what I said. How many people out there would agree with me? I’m just sick of this POS trying to stink up our site. Nothing useful or meaningful ever comes out of his stupid mouth.

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              • The Old Coach says:

                Man, we all need to organize and simply red-thumb him without any reply. His posts will disappear, and he won’t get to jerk off reading our opinions of him.

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              • Canadian Vet says:

                I wouldn’t sweat it if I were you. We’re all only human and we’re all liable to lose our shit once in a while.

                What matters is you’ve gotten a grip and you’re a big enough man to recognize what happened and own your words and actions.

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              • Babycatcher55 says:

                My mother used to tell me, Just Ignore Them. People would say cruel things to me growing up, and I had a hard time with it….that advice is one of the few pieces I took to heart. I’m sorry he keeps egging you on. I would just skip over his posts from now on….it’s not worth the aggravation and high blood pressure, and when people bring out the worst in you, you have to cut them off for your own sanity…there, I hope it helps a little. I love your posts…

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          • KP89DC says:

            Education does not equate to common sense dip-shit. Unfortunately you continue to fail to recognize that you demonstrate having no common sense by the comments you make. Don’t bother attempting to insult me as I have much better things to accomplish than respond to your crap.

            MOLON LABE

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            • KP89DC says:

              My comment was directed at “E”, in case that was’t clear.

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              • 1braveheart says:

                Howdy, KP89DC. I understand you were aiming at eisen and you’re right; common sense and ‘book sense’ are 2 totally different animals. Common sense is what helps you get thru life. Book sense will get you killed early.

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          • Jim in Va. says:

            Eisen, put your dunce hat on and go sit back in the corner. you are worthless and will never become more due to ignorance and intolerance. Yuo apparently haven’t learned how to have reasoned and quiet conversation with anybody.

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          • shi thead says:

            In America, we somehow equate ‘educated’ with ‘smart’

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          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin says:

            Eisencrews, you just crossed the line! My Cuz may have a weak mind but he has a strong back he’ll kick your ass for calling him an Idiot. Ain’t that right Cuz!

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            • 1braveheart says:

              NGIC, for once, I almost thanked you for something, but you killed it when you said I have a weak mind so that killed it. BTW, you can still go f#$% yourself!

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          • Sheesh…

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          • Gregory8 says:

            Eisenkraphead: You have to be one of the biggest idiots I’ve ever heard from. The depth of your ignorance is only surpassed by its breadth. You must wake up every morning and have yourself a really big bowl of “Dumbass” for breakfast. The idea for ‘college for the masses’ was the G.I. Bill, maybe you’ve heard of it; it was given to those who served during WWII and then to all G.I.s ever since. But since you’re notion of military service is plopping your fat little ass in your mom’s basement playing “Call To Duty” and other such games, you don’t qualify. Only real men and women get the G.I. Bill, not flabby mall ninjas/wannabes like you. And part of the G.I. Bill was for new homes for these returning veterans, they began making lots of babies to put in these new home, hence the “Baby Boomers” were born. So for you to blame the “Boomers” shows your ignorance of history. But being the ‘world-class’ moron you are, I’m sure that won’t stop you from making still more uninformed pronouncements. You’re like a turd that just won’t flush Eisenpoopy.

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          • shi thead says:

            You’ve been brainwashed your whole life that more education is the answer to everything. Sometimes you have to put on your boots and start shoveling.

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          • John W. says:

            Most boomers were eighteen years old in 1970. Don’t think they decided much of anything, and a hell of a lot of the somewhat older ones were Viet vets who would have kicked you balls into your mouith. Are you really so stupid as to post the garbage you do?

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          • CrabbeNebulae says:

            E… Sorry buddy, but the boomers did not push everyone to get a degree and take out a loan to do it. The jewish banksters pushed it down everyone’s throat because they knew that was the perfect way to enslave future generations. Boomers, by and large are a can-do generation albeit somewhat naive, like everyone else with regard to the evil being forced upon them. Subsequent generations, including yours, are the sheeple that feed the matrix. Boomers will be the one’s that ultimately lead the fight against the matrix.

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        • Miss DeeDee says:

          Caliper,
          I’m proud of you and your life path.
          — Miss Dee Dee

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        • Northern Reb says:

          CALIBER:
          YOUR POST MAKES ME PROUD TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE 2O YEAR OLDS OUT THERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE WHEN WE NEED THEM. US OLD FARTS WILL HAVE TO HAND OVER THE RIENS TO YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
          You are wiser than most people twice your age!;-)
          Keep prepping and don’t let anyone that will not be an asset to you when the SHTF know what you are doing as far as prepping goes.
          Just because someone is called a teacher does not mean they are smart.
          Keep up the good work and you will find like minded people, that will be able to help you through what ever comes your way.
          Remember this:
          TRUST IN YOUR GOD
          TRUST IN YOURSELF
          TRUST IN YOUR CLOSET FRIENDS
          SECURITY THROUGH SUPERIOR FIRE POWER
          NO RETREAT
          NO SURRENDER
          N.REB

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        • Ryback says:

          @ Caliber, When something does happen your laughing buddies will be the first ones to visit you. “Chance Favors the Prepared Mind”

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Caliber:
          I’m happy you are here with us Old Farts.
          We need young blood to give the Republic to when we are done.
          I believe you would be a leader on that great day.
          It is honor to correspond with you.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

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          • Caliber says:

            lol nothing wrong with “old farts.”… with the line of work im in, im with 5-6 Vietnam vets everyday. They have taught me a lot.

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            • shi thead says:

              I get a kick out of the younguns braying about how much more they know about the internet, etc than us old farts. Us old farts invented the thing.

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      • laura m. says:

        02: Agree! My husband retired from htg, A/C repair and installed residential and comm., commercial refrigerators, freezers. Father in law(dec) was electrician, bro (dec) a plumber. Many are older in the trades. Agree w/you the slacker loser younger folks are lazy, stupid for the most part and want someone to wipe their runny noses and spoon feed ‘em. Auto mech, aircraft mech in my area are mostly older, a few younger ones. Lawn care svc I see older ones mostly. Many younger people can’t even cg. the flush valves in the toilet tank or even flush the water htr once a yr.

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      • 1braveheart says:

        .02, when we ‘old farts’ are finally gone, these young dickheads will be totally lost.

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        • Northern Reb says:

          BRAVEHEART :
          We will have people like Caliper and my two sons and there are many more out there that will run the show. Don’t give up hope. There are some good one still out there.
          S.T.S.F.P. N.R. N.S. N.REB

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          • Caliber says:

            I promise you will have us. although 80% of my friends are “college knowledge” idiots, there are a handful of us that are ready. and many more in each city. the young are waking up.
            the constitution is important to us. and we are armed and fit. ready to uphold it.

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          • Babycatcher55 says:

            And my two daughters and son. Girls are 36and 33, and both do home improvement (carpentry, painting, landscaping) and son is 24, 6 yr Navy veteran, and does outdoor hardscaping, and all manner of home renovations. Went on 13 mission trips to Mississippi and other places after Katrina to rebuild houses while he was in high school. He’ll never be out of a job…

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        • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin says:

          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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          • 1braveheart says:

            NGIC, neither you nor eisenturd could ever teach me shit from shinola about anything, so f#$% you!

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            • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin says:

              Cuz I know me and Crews had a hard time teaching you anything cause you are pretty hard headed, I think you got that off of uncle NuGene’s side of the family, hope you did finally learn the difference between shit and shinola, but I still love you man, and I think Eisencrews loves you to, even though you do call him lots of bad words. Maybe not out loud, but we know what all them funny symbols you use mean. Hope to see you at the next family reunion in North Georgia, our other Cuz Peterson said he might be there.

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        • shi thead says:

          My dad used to say that about grandparents raising grandkids. What happens when the grandparents die? These slackers wouldn’t even raise their own kids, let alone grandkids.

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      • Hunter says:

        .02-

        Yes indeed, pal!

        For 2 years now, I’ve tried to hire/train gen-X aged guys to do what I do…minimum requirement = 1 year trade-school, per basic understanding of AC/DC electricity/fundamentals & ability to read a ladder diagram schematic & be able to grasp..relay logic.

        Starting pay = $12/hr…they work w/ me for 8 months straight(every day)…I cover all hotel/meals $$$..etc, if out of town.

        ..and provide/train on specialized tooling..such as dial indicators/mics/calipers/Proto mfg torque-multiplier heads/DVMs/ammeters/digital pressure gauges/o-scopes/digital RPM tachs/flow meters/solid-state tonnage calibrators/accumulator charging kits & training on manifold control (job/machine) programming etc..etc.

        ..informed all hires that..some jobs are clean(chasing electrons)..some are greasy/oily(hydraulic)..some are ‘gut busting’ dirty(mechanical)..ditto, I would teach them to weld(mig-tig-stick & even oxy-acetylene use).

        ——————————–

        Have gone thru 7 thus far..longest to stay..was 5 weeks!
        Promised them $20/hr., if they made it thru a year.

        Also would provide service-van/cell phone & company credit card for necessities(gas/maintenance/hotels/food etc) while on the road..w/ the understanding that if they needed (once on their own, on an unsupervised..non-training job) “technical help” from me, is a phone call away**…

        …& prospect of partnership in business after 5 years, per a non-compete clause & 60-40% profit split..also annual 2-week(80hrs) paid vacation time.

        ..**-(while I’m working/trouble-shooting the really tough stuff, somewhere else).

        ———————————-

        ..kids nowadays, don’t know what hard work is about..although one guy was really sharp, per the Windows XP based/touch screen controls.

        ..alas, he didn’t like getting dirty!

        ———————————–

        My son possesses the I.Q./ability..but wants to be ‘an athletic-trainer’…(WTF???).

        ..we’re a dieing breed .02!!!

        ..I just keep getting grayer & greyer………….

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      • Anonymous says:

        No. I’m an old gray haired woman who sits on her butt most of the time, playing on the computer… meanwhile, my daughter (young and pretty) is a workaholic! You wouldn’t believe what her day is like! (Work, med-school, works out at the gym, cooks…!!). You can’t categorize people according to age, color, religion or country. People are just people!

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        • Anonymous says:

          And my mother, who was in her 80′s, would chop wood, mow the grass, shovel snow, can food, wash clothes… man, she was a hard worker!

          And my brother sat on his butt…

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          • NorthGeorgiaIdiotsCousin says:

            Anon I know what you mean, my mom and Bravehearts mom were twins, when they turned 90 we bought them a chainsaw so they would’nt have to work so hard. That way one of them could cut for a while, while the other loaded the wagon. Ain’t that right Cuz. I think Cuz Braveheart sat on his butt. They was tough too!

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    13. very good and practical article. His version of the many tough guy survivalist who know everything and will do this and/or that remind me of many who post here……the keyboard rambos

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      • Yea the “taticool” guy running around with all the gear is going to be dead meat fast. Wife has a cousin that was working for us, he was an electrician when we were building the business, and I took him out with the AKs and after shoot them I said “bob, you gota get one of these.” He said “no I dont, I have a .22 and If I want one of those Aks I shoot you in the back of the head and take one.” Ex Vietnam vet.. sold the Aks..

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    14. Sierra Dave says:

      Many in America will curl up and die instead of dealing with it.

      A fair amount of family or friends who show up on your doorstep won’t work with you in defense or starting/ramping up self sufficiency. They will insist that things will be back to normal in a few months.

      Mental attitude IS the biggest survival factor.

      What keeps me going is that after the collapse. The government stranglehold on productivity will be removed.

      The New America with modern techniques and technology will be a good place to grow and thrive.

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    15. Sgt. Dale says:

      Common sense!
      Very little of that around any more. You can tell that 99% of the folks here have it, but the Leaches and Zombies in the country don’t. When TSHTF they will be the first to parish from the earth. (maybe the lucky ones) But they will suffer the most.

      Keeping an open mind in times of stress is very hard, If you can’t do it don’t be ashamed, because over 75% of us might not be able to keep an open mind.

      I pray to God that he gives me Wisdom, common sense, and straight in the dark times to come.

      Common sense, and open mind, God given wisdom, and the ability to act when no one else is, just might be the key to survival!
      A.S.M.S.
      Sgt.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        So might the instinct to run like hell and dont look back! Lot of good all the preps will do when you have 2 minutes to bail!
        Thats what has been on my mind lately, cause shit happens!

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Kula:
          That is normal Fight or flight. You will do one or the other.
          Thanks to all my training I don’t have the flight in me any more. I won’t stand up against a Tank with an AR15, I will run to fight another day. As Clint Eastwood said in one of his Dirty Harry movies. “A man has to know his limitations”.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

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          • laeagle says:

            KF, SD, Good points. It comes down to training and discipline, to know when to ‘hold it’ and to know when to ‘fold it’.

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            • hammerhead says:

              Ill “fold” it fast if it comes to my kids or preps.
              I can find new preps but……..
              People come to take whats mine with force , we leave
              real simple. gunplay and kids dont mix.
              points to ponder.

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          • shi thead says:

            Good thing you’re tough, Sgt.Dale

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            • Sgt. Dale says:

              SHI
              I don’t considder myself to be tuff. Just well trained. You learn how to stand you ground. Most people won’t go up against a guy that is 6 Ft. tall, 225 lbs, with a fully loaded 45 on his hip, a can of Pepper spray and an expandable Pr24.. Like I tell evryone that starts to get froggy. I’m like Batman I have all these toys on my belt, and I will use them. But I don’t want to. So please don’t make me. But if you feel froggy go ahead and jump. I just hope your medical insurance is paid up. Most of the time they back down.
              God I hate fighting with people. Good Lord I don’t like hurting people becasue they are being stupid!
              A.S.M.S
              Sgt.

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          • lonelonmum says:

            It’s fight, flight or freeze. Freezing up is what gets people killed.

            If you are wondering what “freeze” looks like just think of a rabbit or deer caught in your headlights.

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        • Canadian Vet says:

          What I’m getting out of this article is three major points.

          1) Don’t fall in love with your established plans. You might have planned several contingencies for everything under the sun, but as the saying goes even the best laid plan never survives the start line. So you have to be able to go off-script and be ready to improvise.

          2) learn to think outside the box. If you can’t think around corners and/or find ways to fit square pegs in round holes, you are at a serious handicap. The world has a tendency to throw curve balls and there’s no way to see them all coming, and a lot of them will fall in these spaces between the lines of conventional thinking.

          3) no matter how good you think you are, there are times when you will lose your shit, even under fairly benign conditions. Learn to recognize the signs leading up to it and develop quick and effective techniques to ground yourself so you can get your head back in the game before you completely freak out and/or make the kind of mistake that gets people, including yourself, hurt or killed.

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      • 1braveheart says:

        Howdy, Sgt. Dale, and AMEN to your comments, especially your very last sentence which WILL be the key to survival. The people who have refused to wake up and get a clue will be the ones who will perish. People like you, I, and everyone else here will make it.

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      • montana5000ft says:

        The fact you ask GOD for that puts you way ahead to start.

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      • Hunter says:

        Sarge-

        Heads up, bro!

        ..got into a discussion w/ some guys-workers (huge corp/but good paying customer) today..at break time.

        ..I knew most of them pretty well(+10 years acquainted)..save for a newcomer.

        ..anyway there were 5 of us, discussing politics/economy/Obama, when “M” announced he just purchased a ‘slicked-up’ DPMS AR-15 w/ a 1k case of PMC ammo & 10 30rd mags..everyone agreed, that was a good idea & cost was reasonable…(no OPSEC in the crowd)….I just listened/nodded.

        ..the guy I didn’t know, kinda snorted disgust/sarcasm in an off-hand way & announced:

        ..all I have is a Ruger .45ACP & I ain’t dropping $1100-1200 for an AR!

        ..all I need to do is walk up & shoot some deputy/county-mounty/city cop, doing his paper work in his squad car..snatch his keys & open his trunk!!!

        …& I’ll have a full-auto M-16!

        ———————————-

        Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!

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        • The Old Coach says:

          Not to put too fine a point on it, but that’s exactly how the French Maquisards got most of their arms in WW2.

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        • hammerhead says:

          HUNTER – the guys that talk that kind of shit are scared little pussys .they make me sick , they will be the first to meet a quick end .
          I worry more about the guy that stays off on his own with nothin to say and no opinion .
          HE has a plan !

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          Hunter:
          Thanks for the heads up.
          This is my worry about the computers in the squad cars. I have always said it makes us a target. These damn things makes you look at them insted of whatching your sourdings.
          On top of everything else you have to use them when you are on the go. This is worst as texting and driving.
          Again thanks for the heads up. I’m going to make a copy of this and give it to all the guys. If that is OK with you.
          A.S.M.S.
          Sgt.

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        • sounds like my wife’s cousin bob.

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        • “Be careful Sarge…there are guys “out there”…who think like that dude!”

          Indeed – and such people will end up dead in about a week, maybe two.

          He might get lucky, but I’m willing to wager at least half my preps that in a true SHTF situation, you won’t find some lone deputy sitting there in the open, next to an unlocked patrol car, just doing paperwork. Ain’t gonna happen. That kid will starve before he stumbles across such a dubious opportunity.

          Odds are perfect that LEOs will have themselves locked-down tight once things get SHTF-ugly, and will either be defending their families, or at least in small squads, with weapons out and looking for an overly-confident jackass like that to do something stupid.

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          • Sgt. Dale says:

            O Q
            You are right with your last paragraph.
            When TSHTF. There won’t be any LEO”S there will only be LEO”S protecting their families. Yes there will be groups of LEO’S in bands working together for the common good of their group.
            In our group there are 7 LEO’S or retired LEO’s in it. They also have other skills need for the group.
            Some times I think people have the idea that WTSHTF that the LEO’S are still going to work while the rest of the world is in chaos. NOT I’m going to be at home with the group protecting it, and doing other work that needs to be done.
            Thanks again for the concern!
            A.SM.S.
            Sgt.

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    16. Maudy Frickett says:

      You gotta have your mind right, trainee. Adapt or die. I’ve lived in Africa during a war, I grew up in the inner city of Chicago. I knew people who lived thru Beirut. I sometimes envy people who lived in small town USA among a homogenous demographic. And at other times, I wouldn’t trade my life experiences for anything.

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    17. Walt Kowalski says:

      While it is certainly true that the ill-prepared and stupid will definitely have a quick demise, it should be understood that a lot also depends on just the luck of the draw.

      There will be many folks who have done all they could to prepare…they’re intelligent…and make all the right decisions….but if a bullet has your name on it..or they are in the wrong place at the wrong time…it’s over.

      This is not to discount preparation and doing all you can, because luck does indeed favor the prepared mind.

      What a stable, civilized society does is allow the stupid and ill prepared to continue to live in relative ease, security and comfort. Those are the things that get stripped away in a SHTF situation. So in most cases…the ill-prepared and stupid will go quickly. But even for those who are the best prepared…in every way…their odds of surviving another day are greatly diminished.

      That’s just the way I see it.

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      • Way more people will die of disease than bullets. Probably 10 to 1 is my guess if there is a power failure. Straight up war, different numbers.

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        • Survivor in waiting says:

          Dont forget that starvation thingy. That’ll kill quite a few also, all be it in a week or two.

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          • Merree says:

            Most people won’t die of starvation in a week or two. For example 100 pounds of fat at 3500 calories per pound equals 350,000 calories. Minimal daily calories for survival (just an estimate since this varies with gender and activity level) approximately 1500 calories. 350,000 divided by 1500 equals estimated 233 day survival. This is a seven to eight month survival assuming no food intake at all. Lots of time for them to get angry and take it out on others. Of course, if they can’t get water, the time frame would be drastically shortened.

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            • Paranoid says:

              Correct, I went 14 days without food once, no big deal. But people that have no preps have no water either. The first time they drink out of a roadside ditch they will have dysentery and that’s that.

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            • You’re right and wrong at the same time :)

              I’ll explain:

              The longest anyone could reasonably hope to last before dying of starvation (with zero calorie intake) is around 45-50 days, no matter how big you are. If you’re 100 lbs overweight, that would put you at least around 250 lbs or so for a guy, and around 225 for a woman (assuming average heights). Anything beyond that is flat-out obesity, which means limited mobility, limited stamina, and an exponentially higher risk of cardiac arrest or stroke from stress and over-exertion.

              As an educated WAG (Wild-Assed Guess), a typical SHTF situation will have most folks dying of starvation within about 6 months – if disease, violence, exposure, or dehydration don’t wipe them out first.

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          • Ryback says:

            #1 prep top of the line water filter, an absolute must have. Katadyn pocket filter

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        • laeagle says:

          .02. Agreed.

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        • laeagle says:

          .02, Well said. I am not sure about the 10 to 1 but disease is something to be very concerned about. Cleanliness and basic hygiene will go a long ways in SFTF situations.

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    18. NinaO's Mom says:

      * something most of you wont be prepared for is the smell of death and the swollen blackened bodies littering the streets .

      some of you will have to kill another human being to survive , maybe even a cop or soldier .

      are you mentally prepared to be exposed to / do such things to survive ???

      if not you might want to read up on the morality of war and psychological impact of killing .

      so your mentally prepared …

      ;0p

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      • Canadian Vet says:

        You can’t really prepare for the realities of violence. I’ve read Col. Grossman’s books cover to cover repeatedly, did some stress inoculation, been on all sorts of exercises and I still initially lost my shit first time I came under indirect fire in KAF. Took me a few moments to remember what I was supposed to do and and get my ass in gear.

        Oh, and I’ve never fired a shot in anger, although I’ve gotten close a few times. And every time, I was praying to every deity out there not to have to pull that trigger.

        Basically what I’m saying is that even those who’ve been there done that could have an issue with combat and killing bit have a leg up on those who haven’t been. Granted, there will always be those who can naturally deal with it in healthy ways and the psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, but as a rule of thumb, there are no real ways to be ready for that shit.

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      • Canadian Vet says:

        To add to my last, one should prepare themselves for post-traumatic stress. Again, I don’t care how tough you think you are but only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.

        I know mental health isn’t a popular topic but be aware, you will have nightmares, flashbacks, cold sweats, become ineffective, curl up into a ball crying for your mother. You and yours MUST be able to tell something is wrong with you and be there to help as much as they can. Otherwise, your survival will become severely compromised.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Prayer, meditation, a healthy diet, sunshine, exercise, and a close personal relationship with your Creator will keep the demons away.

          Go within. For you evolutionists and atheists, find the amoeba within. :-)

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          • Canadian Vet says:

            There are absolutely no guarantees when it comes to preventing that crap. However, faith has been known to help with dealing with the aftermath.

            And from personal experience, there is no such thing as an atheist in a war zone.

            However, one should assume they will lose their shit and feel the full brunt of post-traumatic stress. If they don’t, bonus. But if you are prepared for it you will deal with it better than if you play the macho card and think it only affects sissies and you are too awesome to be affected by these horrors.

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            • durango kidd says:

              Been there. Didn’t do that. You need a mind set that can release past events rather than dwelling upon them. In my case, a young lifetime of sports playing ball every day, picking up teams, winning or losing, starting over, picking new teams, winning or losing, etc, etc, etc.

              This is the mindset of athletes who move from play to play and do not dwell on the fumble, the bad throw, the dropped ball, or the strike out. They just focus on the task ahead and shake it off, intent upon winning the game.

              That mindset can be applied to events and experiences in war. Like anything in life, you can be a victim or you can move from victory to victory to victory ….. however long it takes. Determination, resolve, and application always win and strengthens the spirit in the process.

              Life yields to those who will not quit. Engage. :-)

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              • Canadian Vet says:

                There is a world of difference between sports and combat. For one, in sports the other guy isn’t actively trying to kill you, regardless how fierce the rivalry between the teams.

                Also, you might see your buddy carted off the field/ice/diamond on a stretcher and he might be bleeding and unconscious. But he isn’t going to have extra holes in him from bullets and shrapnels, he isn’t going to be burnt to a crisp, he isn’t going be missing limbs, you won’t be standing in the Tarmac watching a stainless steel box carrying what’s left of him in the back of a a Herc so he can have a closed-casket funeral back home.

                I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but likening the stresses of athletes to those of combat just doesn’t work. You screw up playing football, your team doesn’t make the championship. You screw up in a war zone, people die.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  I am an Ex Marine and Vietnam Vet. I know the horrors of war first hand, having seen it all and body bags stacked 3 feet tall.

                  I know whereof I speak and I stand by my statement. Time heals all wounds if WE do not dwell upon the negative. Get your mind right and get your life back.

                  You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  21 Canadian dead in 7 months of combat? I have seen that many Marines dead in a week. We lost 50,000 Americans in that war.

                  Imagine a 13 month tour. The dead have my sympathies. You do not. Don’t be a pisser, moaner, whiner or crier. Suck it up and quit feeling sorry for yourself. Let the dead bury the dead.

                  You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid. :-)

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                • Canadian Vet says:

                  DK, my apologies, I had no idea you were a vet yourself.

                  And while the number of dead my tour suffered seems barely significant to you, it is extremely high to me. Hell, it was high in our global mindset, seeing how a lot of Canadians, me included were still in the “Bosnia” mind frame in term of deployed operations, where deaths in theatre weren’t from combat action but from accidents.

                  Also, I wasn’t even born when you were in Vietnam. In fact, I wasn’t even a twinkle in my father’s eye yet.

                  And while I’d love to go into more detail here, last thing I want is saying something I shouldn’t over these means. But given half a chance, I would buy you a beer.

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                • Average Guy says:

                  Good God, durango kidd, you come across as a Complete psychopath here. You too, Canadian Vet, for wanting heap praises upon him. What’s wrong with you two?

                  Your nonchalance is deafening.

                  Your respect for empire is despicable.

                  Are you sure you wouldn’t be more happy on The Other side with TPTB?

                  It sure seems like it. …Or, are you already,.. and forevermore?

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                • Average Guy says:

                  Compare and contrast:

                  One guy says: “The psychos who either don’t care or even enjoy it, [...] only a complete psych/sociopath wouldn’t be affected by the horrors SHTF has in store.”

                  Another guys says: “You can be a victim or you can be the victor. Like everything else in life WE get to choose one or the other. [...] Let the dead bury the dead. You are alive. Enjoy it. Go get laid.”

                  There’s a lot of sick S.O.B.’s in this world…, and a lot of them love empire. Watch out for them, they’ll stab you in the back quicker than shit, and they won’t think twice about it.

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                • Average Guy says:

                  I guess I learned more form the medic who sang with an opera voice to comfort those who suffered while they died at a young age in their foxholes during the war against the people in Vietnam than I do from some arrogant obeyer who seems to revel at the fact they counted body bag stacks while praising the benefits of being in the service to empire.

                  YMMV.

                  May God have mercy on your soul.

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                • Canadian Vet says:

                  AG, spoken like someone who hasn’t served. Perhaps there is a 40+ year disconnect between DK and my wartime experiences but soldiers are always soldiers, even after retiring.

                  And is he tougher than me? Most likely. Afghanistan was no joke but Vietnam? My knowledge is only academic but I wouldn’t have wished it on anyone.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  AG/Clark: Hey faggot!!! I’ve been missing you! Yeah, YOU would learn more at the opera than on the playing field, Fudgepacker! I know your type. :-)

                  I once had lunch with a couple of pansy ass geeks like you (not sure if they believed in anarchy and read fringe element socialists like you do) but they were dissing baseball talking about how (limp wrist-ed) silly the game was.

                  I didn’t say anything. I just listened. Finally they asked me what I thought. I said, “You have never played the game have you?” They replied, “How did you know that?” I said you couldn’t talk about the game like that if you had ever played it.

                  Likewise, you do not know shit from shinola about war because you have never been to war. You have lived your life in your mother’s basement living off of your parents lamenting the cost of college and blaming everyone else for your lack of accomplishment, while pushing Free Trade as if it were a FREEDOM and sucking Lew Rockwell’s dick! :-)

                  No, I do not support the “Empire”. But as a young man I was required to choose between America and Canada: allegiance to the Crown or to the US Constitution. I made my choice and made the best of it, exercising my responsibility as an America citizen.

                  The NWO has captured the American capital in a coup and a conspiracy. This is the “Empire” that you rail against; it is not the American ideal embodied in the Constitution. But you would rather disparage everything American because you are a fucking communist and anarchist!

                  Come on over, I’m running out of paper targets Faggot!!!

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                • Average Guy says:

                  Ah yeah, Canadian Vet. You’re correct, I have never served the empire and killed for its gain. Thank goodness! I don’t have to jump off a cliff to know it’s a bad idea. And, I can learn from those who realized what a mistake it was to do so and wrote about it or told others.

                  Your comments, and those like you who showcase their whoreship for the empire, especially idolizing serving the empire, is quite the learning experience.

                  Everyone should be leery of those who whorship the empire, often those types are psychotic and will flip out on even those who cherish freedom and liberty. I imagine that’s what happened in Selco’s situation as well.

                  I’m mean, look how Krugman Kidd indirectly attacks his fellow Marine medic who sang opera songs to comfort those who were dying, it’s as if he were swatting at a fly. That’s probably the same approach people had in Selco’s situation when they shot at each other?

                  I imagine the people in conflict in Selco’s situation labeled everyone they met, correctly or not, so as to de-humanize them and turn them into mere objects.

                  Krugman Kidd feels better about attacking me by incorrectly labeling me as gay or communist, that way he can feel good about doing such people harm and forget about having done it. That’s the way of the psychopath. Know the signs and watch out. Lest you too follow down the hole that is the dark side.

                  I can only hope that you, Canadian Vet, will look up the articles written by Laurence M. Vance and learn from your fellow soldiers.

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                • Average Guy says:

                  I thought of you two guys while reading this one, especially this last line:

                  Walking in the Shoes of a Soldier
                  By Laurence M. Vance
                  February 11, 2014

                  …”Although only 1 percent of Americans have served in the military, veterans account for 20 percent of all suicides.

                  Just ten steps in the shoes of a soldier is enough to see that no thinking person who treasures liberty, peace, morality, decency, his family, and peace of mind would join the military no matter how patriotic he was.”

                  Amen.

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              • laeagle says:

                DK, CV, your comments are appreciated. Combat is very different than sports, especially the consequences and end results, but the two have much in common, i.e., physical training, mental training, tactics, strategy, etc. Perhaps DK’s observations could be helpful in developing a resilient mindset!?

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                • lonelonmum says:

                  It may be something seemingly insignificant that finally triggers PSTD years after an event. The human mind is a mystery to science still.

                  Even the toughest vet may finally crack when it’s his wife/son/parent that’s murdered in front of him, or when his cousin dies of some previously totally treatable common illness.

                  Arrogance gets you killed too, unless you are a clinically defined pyschopath.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Worked for me. Am I special? It will work for anyone, athletes more than most. They are typically disciplined and mentally tough to begin with.

                  Every one cries in war. Everyone grieves. Everyone suffers. Divorce can be just as devastating. If WE didn’t grieve there would be something wrong with US as human beings. There is a time for it, when there is time for it, then that time is over.

                  Life is a cornucopia of opportunity. Engage. :-)

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        • shi thead says:

          Waiting for the first drone pilot to claim PTSD. Seems everybody has it these days.How did mankind survive that first 100K years without SSRI drugs?

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          • Canadian Vet says:

            It’s not because they do their killing by remote control these guys aren’t human. Especially those who act in good faith but on bad intelligence and drop their ordnance on innocent civilians.

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      • Night Breaker says:

        Nina o’s
        Sounds like you have walked the walk it’s a smell you never forget , the smell of sewage mixed with spent power and the taste of bile rising in the back of your throat.
        I remember during golf war 1 everyone was at the point of exhaustion (72 hours non stop ) and just dropping and falling asleep in the field I saw one guy in the dark curled up face down in the sand so I affixed a chem light to his load bearing gear so he would not get run over . Pulled out my poncho rolled up in the poncho liner and passed out. Slept through the night only hearing the sentrys walking about . At first light I reached over shook the guy next to me he did not respond. So I grabbed his harness rolling him over the sight is one I will never forget his face was swollen and black , I back peddled and stud up I had slept next to a dead guy the whole night.

        We had lagered in a field with strewn dead Iraqi soldiers not far from kuwait city that had been bombed to clear the Iraqi minefields.

        This was one of the few experiences that will never leave me from that time , the siege at Khafji and the death highway outside of Kuwait city.

        Yeh I guess mental preparation is something acquired.

        An old Sargent one told me “when the ground heaves and the calcaphany of noise is unimaginable the veterans will be the ones that will know what needs to be done”

        PREPARE FOR YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE

        RESIST

        III%

        Semper Fi 8541

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        • Night Breaker says:

          I hate auto spell

          Semper Fi 8541

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        • Canadian Vet says:

          I know I had a tough to with Afganistan, but you Sir had a much rougher time than I did. I had to stand at ramp ceremonies for 14 of the 21 Canadians killed during my 7 months on the ground, and I was lucky to only know 1 of them.

          He was just some random I sat with in the mess tent in Ma’Sum Ghar and chatted with about the 2008 Olympics over breakfast. But it was enough of a connection to feel it when I heard he burnt alive in an IED strike.

          And my closest personal brush with death was when I told my detachment commander I didn’t quite feel like climbing up on our vehicle twice for the same thing and stayed in my camp chair instead of don’t what I was told. I’ve always prided myself on being a consummate professional but that day, if hadn’t decided to slack off in the shade instead of following orders and gotten on top of that vehicle, I would have had my guts ripped up by a piece of shrapnel from a Katyusha rocket that impacted not 100 meters away about 30 seconds after I received my instructions.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Basically, you better listen to your instincts, gut feelings, intuition. A good book to read on this subject is “the Gift of Fear”. Great book!

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            • Canadian Vet says:

              Not even that. Tour was almost done, my GAF factor was in the drain, I was comfortable in the shade of that sea can in my folding chair and just didn’t feel like checking the cargo straps at that time and later when our convoy would show up. I was lazy and a little bit insubordinate at that point.

              I’m not proud of it but I’m sure glad I picked that time to slack off.

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          • Canada Canuk says:

            @Canadian Vet…Thank you for your service to our Country. As you know we have a section of highway in Ontario called ‘The Highway of Heros’…When our boys come home on their ‘final journey’ that section of the highway (from Trenton Air Base to Toronto)is closed so that their ‘vechicles can pass by.

            People flock to the overpasses in large numbers, dressed in a lot of red clothing and carrying our Beautiful Flag….to say their final fairwells to them (and their families) who follow behind in other vechicles…..

            I have been fortunate enough to be there when 2 of our boys came home….it was quite a site to see…and such a privelige to be among those giving thanks to our boys for giving the ‘Ultimate’ sacrifice for our freedom.

            We can NEVER thank you enough, take care, CC.

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            • Canadian Vet says:

              I know that stretch of the 401, from Exit 525/526 to the 404/DVP. I’ve only seen two of those convoys with my own two eyes.

              One, I was on my own time and I pulled over to pay my respects; on that one, another driver thought I had no business to slow down and wanted to tune me in. Funny how quickly he drove off when I told him it was for a FELLOW soldier coming home in a box and if he didn’t back down his day was going to get unpleasant.

              The second time, we were heading back to Kingston from exercise in Meaford. My packet received orders to pull over and we were all lined up, some on the shoulder, some on our vehicles’ running boards. I’ll never forget how one of the family members was waving at us through the car window. It was also kinda funny seeing ourselves in the blurbs they put in the news and the paper.

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      • NinaO's Mom says:

        @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker … Respect .

        * only those who have really been there can understand … WHY IT’S IMPORTANT TO MENTALLY CONDITION YOUR MIND AND CONSCIENCE FOR THE ‘PERSONAL PSYCHOSIS’ SELF DESTRUCTIVE dark PSYCHOLOGICAL FORCES post action after effects OF REAL WORLD ON THE GROUND RAW WAR EXPERIENCES .

        THANK YOU BOTH @Canadian Vet AND @Night Breaker FOR YOUR COMMENTS … you are not alone Gentlemen … Respect !

        n.o. ;0p

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        • Canadian Vet says:

          I have no illusions. Comes SHTF, I will most likely have to make some hard choices and do things I’m not going to like or be proud of. I know I will likely have to use force and I will do it as ruthlessly and as efficiently as I know how. My family deserves I go to these extremes for their wellbeing.

          And I know I will lose sleep over this, and I will have nightmares and it will be adding on to the damage I’ve already suffered. And from my own experience, might be able to rationalize some of it but I am well aware of the toll it’ll take on me.

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        • Sgt. Dale says:

          NINA O
          Thanks for your response to C.V. and N.B.
          you said it better than I could have.
          I respect both of these guys.
          Sgt.

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      • Anonymous says:

        Gosh, I just saw a guy the other day, being carried out on a stretcher… I wasn’t sure if he was alive or dead! He looked awful! Other people said the exact same thing! He was hooked up to machines and his head wasn’t covered up, so I assume he was alive, but just barely!

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    19. Maudy Frickett says:

      Fear can be a good thing. It can keep you alive. Too much can kill you. Learn to control your fear. I lost my ability to be afraid when I replaced it with shear fucking hatred. Things I should be afraid of I began to hate. I feel a lot better now. Happy even. Christians might not like the idea, but someday soon they will understand.

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    20. Maudy Frickett says:

      This is good. A few days ago, a 5 million dollar Stradivarius Violin was stolen by three people in Milwaukee. 2 men have been charged. Ultimate Knowledge Allah and Saleh Jones. Are you shittin’ me? Probably Black Muslims. A third person, a women has not been charged. I bet her name is Stradivarius Jackson, or something as much fun.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ VRF. I saw your link to that sick satanic freak. This is beyond terrible and shows just how warped society is becoming as this is becoming excepted as an alternative to God. This devil worship goes hand in hand with orgies and disgusting preversion of the mind. As well as sick pro sodomy propaganda that throughout history has rapidly spread disease.

        Religions talk about this because it is the examples of what sodomy has proven again and againb to spread very dangerous germs. A sin is not only in the eyes of God, but in the simple science of it. It is dirty, no it is filthy. People are not suppose to roll around in crap like a dog. People that fool around with certain anatomical parts of the body ONLY reserved for waste removal are the same as those that fool around with raw sewage pipes, they are going to get sick, real sick.

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        • 1braveheart says:

          Eisenfairy, you back off from BI, you POS sodomite freak.

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        • What? says:

          Eisen,

          The level of intolerance in you is shocking.

          Any argument will only prove my point.

          BI having an opinion is not intolerance, whether you agree with that view or not. Wishing a person dead for a certain view is the height of intolerance. Disagreement, however, is NOT intolerance.

          Are you too stupid to get it, or not?

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          • Jim in Va. says:

            Eisen is calling the kettle black again.

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          • Be informed says:

            LOOK AT THIS. E just came out of the closet and admitted that he is a bisexual, by saying “you can bully bisexuals and calling “us” dity disease spreaders. Okay. Someone once told me that bisexuals are far more likely to engage in bestiality than homosexuals because everything goes. Whatever.

            This is another science fact that bisexuals are the number one spreaders of AIDS to women that there is. Disease spreaders? Yes, this is a science fact. This is of course someone’s choice to engage in warped sexual practices, but doesn’t change the fact that they ARE spreading germs and death to the population that choose to be part of this. Doesn’t change the fact that they are spreading super bugs that are antibiotic resistant. Doesn’t change the fact that many people get sick because of this weird practice. This is just fact.

            Anyone pointing out science fact is automatically some LBGT basher. This is political correctness at its worse. Censor people that offend anyone with science facts. Censor people that don’t want our innocent children around this preversion. Censor parents that want to protect their children from this animalistic practice. Censor children that are desperately trying to tell their parents or authorities about pedophiles trying to rape them. This is intolerance towards the homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbians, and transwarped genders?

            This is the last dying throes of society when we as a people are prohibited, trashing the Constitution of America, from talking about science fact of ANY issue because it offends a certain segment of the population.

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            • Be informed says:

              Go talk to a good psychiatrist, he or she will help you understand the pure hate you have for everyone born between 1946 and 1964. They can get the mental help needed to feel better. They can be someone’s best friend before they act on this hate and destroy a bunch of innocent people’s lives when there minds finally snap. The brain can only take so much hate before totally losing all touches with reality.

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          • Country girl says:

            Eisen

            Your lifestyle is dangerous — sorry to tell you. There is a direct correlation to anal sex and rectal cancer in the masses. I hope you use protection .

            My own older brother is gay. I don’t hold animosity for him. I still don’t know how God looks at him spirutually.
            I think we are all God’s children, and I don’t wish ill for folks. Sometimes they make their own bad decisions.

            I see alcoholics and drug addicts that are injured daily because of bad decisions. They get their care regardless of whether they can pay or not. Sometimes they pay for their decisions with their life.

            Country girl

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        • Jim in Va. says:

          eisen ur a hateful bastard.

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        • rednek101 says:

          @eisen

          If i walk into a rave with all the kiddos doin’ X running around with thier little glow sticks, they would look at this old rednek and say WTF ya doin’ here dude. In my infinite wisdom it would have to agree and leave. So Mr Eisenkruz………..why do you persist in jacking with all the people in here. Unless you have an agenda. Given that most gays are still in the closet so to speak i would suspect there are way more gay chat rooms than prepper chat rooms. Why don’t you find a nice gay chat room? Instead of making a bunch of old redneck hacked off at gays via your “in your face” attacks, why don’t you go where your more comfortable?

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        • shi thead says:

          If you believe the evolution theory, homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. They cannot reproduce.

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        • The Old Coach says:

          Not to mention that sodomites have a much higher probability of being sociopaths and child molesters.

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      • Miss DeeDee says:

        VRF,
        I believe the first of a nationwide aerial blimp imagining system is about to be deployed over Maryland . These will be unmanned tethered . Economical and high resolution. All in the name of Homeland Security of course.
        — Miss Dee Dee

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    21. 1braveheart says:

      If we can survive the presence of someone like Eisen at our site, we can live thru anything.

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    22. 1braveheart says:

      eisen, I hope we ‘boomers’ get the pleasure of seeing you die first.

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      • eppe says:

        Sybil Eisen:
        Here is a rebuttal to your rants on the “boomers”.
        Maybe? it will set you right, but then again you are not right from the beginning. I pity your mom for raising such a spoiled brat as yourself…

        The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

        They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are “Baby Boomers” getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.
        In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience.

        We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don’t know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

        We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Viet Nam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn’t fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.” We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

        Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

        It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the “Hope and Change” which in reality was nothing but “Hype and Lies.”

        You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don’t like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or “Climbing the Social Ladder” to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the “Great Lie” in 2008 are now having buyer’s remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn’t have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the ‘Kool-Aid.’ Now you’re paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

        This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

        Well, don’t worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we’re going, and in 2014 we’re going to the polls by the millions.

        This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to “We the People” and “We the People” plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the “Grey-Haired Brigade.”

        Footnote:
        This is spot on. I am another Gray-Haired Geezer signing on. I will circulate this to other Gray-Haired Geezers all over this once great county.

        Can you feel the ground shaking???
        It’s not an earthquake, it is a STAMPEDE.

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        • 1braveheart says:

          Eppe, from one geezer to another, AMEN to your response to eisenturd and yes, it is spot on. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, eisenturd.

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        • Jim in Va. says:

          Bingo Eppe!

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        • eppe says:

          How about a joke?
          Yes, many of you may have heard these before, but many have not, but they are funny….
          By the way, where is “SMOKIN”?

          GREAT TRUTHS THAT LITTLE CHILDREN HAVE LEARNED:
          1) No matter how hard you try, you can’t baptize cats.
          2) When your Mom is mad at your Dad, don’t let her brush your
          hair.
          3) If your sister hits you, don’t hit her back. They always
          catch the second person.
          4) Never ask your 3-year old brother to hold a tomato.
          5) You can’t trust dogs to watch your food.
          6) Don’t sneeze when someone is cutting your hair.
          7) Never hold a Dust-Buster and a cat at the same time.
          8) You can’t hide a piece of broccoli in a glass of milk.
          9) Don’t wear polka-dot underwear under white shorts.
          10) The best place to be when you’re sad is Grandpa’s lap.

          GREAT TRUTHS THAT ADULTS HAVE LEARNED:
          1) Raising teenagers is like nailing Jell-O to a tree.
          2) Wrinkles don’t hurt.
          3) Families are like fudge…mostly sweet, with a few nuts.
          4) Today’s mighty oak is just yesterday’s nut that held its
          ground.
          5) Laughing is good exercise. It’s like jogging on the inside.
          6) Middle age is when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not
          the toy.

          GREAT TRUTHS ABOUT GROWING OLD
          1) Growing up is mandatory; growing old is optional.
          2) Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can
          get.
          3) When you fall down, you wonder what else you can do while
          you’re down there.
          4) You’re getting old when you get the same sensation from a
          rocking chair that you once got from a roller coaster.
          5) It’s frustrating when you know all the answers but nobody
          bothers to ask you the questions.
          6) Time may be a great healer, but it’s a lousy beautician.
          7) Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.
          THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE:
          1) You believe in Santa Claus.
          2) You don’t believe in Santa Claus.
          3) You are Santa Claus.
          4) You look like Santa Claus.
          SUCCESS:
          At age 4 success is . . not peeing in your pants.
          At age 12 success is having friends.
          At age 16 success is . . . having a drivers license.
          At age 35 success is . having money.
          At age 50 success is . . . having money.
          At age 70 success is . . . having a drivers license.
          At age 75 success is . having friends.
          At age 80 success is . not peeing in your pants.

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          • Be informed says:

            @ eppe. A lot of people see you as someone that has a hold of humor to make everyone laugh. Yet I read what you wrote above this about the boomer generation and you write quite well and put over the point a lot more condenced than I can on many subjects. I can’t understand how anyone can be so filled with wanton hatred that they could want an entire generation of people to just die off. I know people from the silent generation all the way to generation z and there are good people and a$$holes within each generation. This is just human nature.

            To categorize everyone of one generation as terrible and deserving to go to the bone yard is exactly the profile of serial killers that focus on one group of people to eliminate. This is how the police are able to catch these maniacs as they have some sick calling card. Many people call Mr.E just upset and blowing off steam. These rants top the line of people like NC Joker. This is a person that gets aroused with people dying. This is too obvious to me from the past hundreds and hundreds of deranged comments, such as after the Boston Marathon bombing. These are all evident on previous articles that anyone can view as proof. Extrakrazy made these comments all by himself, again and again. Comments that are just nuts, not just anger, just psychopathic and not rational.

            This is a big problem now, and the anti-gunners use everytime one of these wackos guns down innocent people to demonize the weapon they used. Not dealing with the fact that the lunatic would have used anything available to be a killer, and not dealing with the severe mental matter of someone so demented that is not even seeing people as anything other than targets. That the MSM for you.

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            • eppe says:

              BI: Agreed, we all know what is going on in the world, because we ping things off each other. I always read your posts, and we do see things eye to eye… With that said, I do WISH that we could all get along together, share info, and work together for the betterment of this site. I even have my oldest daughter now reading here, and she even wonders about Sybil E.
              But we always have ying and yang to make the world go round. I have often heard some say they do NOT read long posts, but sometimes you have to “explain” yourself with a lot of verbage to get the point across… Usually I am straight to the point, one to two sentences, like the first post at the very top. To survive, it is 90% mental, which is what Selco is and has been saying for a long time. In fact he just posted a VERY good one today, that everyone should read also. I do miss the 10 recent comments, but what can we do?
              I hope the best for all of us, just always prepare for the worst, even if it does not happen, what did you really lose out on?
              If you ain’t prepping, you are just inepting…

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              • mini_eppe says:

                I know my dad has been on this site for years now, and has gained some popularity. On occasion, he tells me of the things you all have said and done on here. I was never very interested in checking it out, but today he told me to look at this post.
                I’m amazed. This person, Eisenkreuz, posted a rude, hateful comment about killing people and so many people joined in to tell him that the comment was rude, hateful, and uncalled for. I wasn’t expecting this amount of humanity from a website called ‘shit hits the fan’. But then I realized, isn’t that what it’s all about on here? Sharing your compassion and knowledge to help each other survive and thrive in the worst of conditions.
                Good and bad will always exist, and this truly surprised me. Thank you, dad, and thank you, community.

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            • Jim in Va. says:

              eisen learned a new word today…blah

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            • eppe says:

              A legend in his mama,s mind

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            • eppe says:

              BI;
              I sat down and wrote a 2 page article for SHTF.com, sent it in to Mac first. I hope he will publish it, not too radical, yet it will make us think…
              Titled it “IF ICELAND CAN DO IT”, I hope he sees it fit to place it here for all to read….

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          • 1braveheart says:

            Eppe, keep that humor coming. You must have been taking lessons from smokinokie, who I’m missing also. I do need a laugh right now.

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          • eppe says:

            BI;
            I sat down and wrote a 2 page article for SHTF.com, sent it in to Mac first. I hope he will publish it, not too radical, yet it will make us think…
            Titled it “IF ICELAND CAN DO IT”, I hope he sees it fit to place it here for all to read….

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        • Miss DeeDee says:

          Épée,
          Thank you for that inspirational piece.
          I may not be the one on the front line holding a bayonet of freedom but as a N.P. I pledge my medical service to the cause of the gray-hair stampede brigade. I believe this might be the last time in our lives we have the chance to bail out our younger generations. I hope if we succeed , they appreciate and continue forward. ( I can only hope )
          — Miss Dee Dee

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