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    The Good Old Days are Over

    Norse Prepper
    October 19th, 2012
    www.SHTFplan.com
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    This article has been generously contributed by Norse Prepper.

    Do you remember “the good old days”?  It’s a simple question, but a question that induces different images to different people.  I have found myself spending a lot of time lately thinking of the way things used to be and hoping that someday our country can somehow get back to those days again.  Looking at our current state of affairs in this nation and around the world, there is only one conclusion that can be made…the good old days are over.

    I wrote this article because children being born today, in my opinion, will not be able to look back and remember the near future as “the good old days”.  As I write this, the US national debt is at $16.2 trillion with unfunded liabilities of $123.3 trillion.  With Uncle Ben’s QE3 promising to print fiat money perpetually can there be any doubt that the days of the US dollar being the world currency are numbered.  Everyone reading this article has a share of $442,881 of the nation’s debt and liabilities.  If your children or grandchildren can’t read yet, please tell them that they also owe $442,881 as well and thank them for supporting our wasteful spending that got us to this point.  Source:  http://usadebtclock.com/

    But don’t worry, there are elections coming.  Surely the American public can see the dire straits our nation is in and elect leaders who can recognize and deal with the nation’s problems and bring us back to becoming a nation of producers instead of consumers, right?  Leaders will be elected who will make the extreme sacrifices necessary to bring forth a United States where the outstretched hands of the masses will be filled with charitable donations from a robust society instead of being empty, waiting for them to be stuffed with their entitlement from the government, all the while feeling as though they earned it because they stand unproductively on dirt within our border.

    I have to apologize for the last paragraph; I have always wondered what it would feel like to write fiction.  The hard cold reality is that there is no possible orderly way out of the financial mess our society is in and the above mentioned dirt was probably the last thing made in the USA.  To break it down simply, here are some simple and easy to understand economical facts:

    1. You need to produce more than you consume or you are broke.
    2. You cannot pay off a credit card with a credit card without consequences.
    3. There is no possible way the nation’s debts and unfunded liabilities will ever be paid.

    Currently, the Federal Reserve purchases the vast majority of the US Debt.  There simply aren’t many buyers left who believe it to be a sound investment anymore.  In 2011, congress waited until the last minute to raise the debt ceiling after much political wrangling back and forth.  Was there ever any doubt by anyone that it would happen?  Is there any doubt that it will happen again?  What happens when it hits $50 trillion?  As long as we have the ability to continue to print more money to fund our yearly deficit and make payments on the interest of existing debt, it will continue.  As it continues, the US dollar will continue to be worth less and less.  Commodities such as food, gas and all physical goods purchased will get more and more expensive, leaving less and less purchasing power for the American people.

    You don’t have to be Nostradamus to predict that we are on the cusp of a major financial collapse.  I’m not only talking about the United States, I’m talking about the world.  The can has been kicked down the road almost as far as it can be kicked and we just passed a dead end sign.  We will soon see massive inflation or hyperinflation, riots in the streets as we have seen around the world and as I have heard stated many times, people with nothing left to lose will lose it.

    So what can we do?  The answer can be summed up in one word.  Prepare.  Prepare as though it may happen tomorrow.  Prepare as though your life and the lives of your loved ones depend on it, because it does and they do.  Start exercising and working out to prepare your body for the tough times coming.  Prepare yourself mentally so that when it hits the fan you don’t find yourself in the panicked state that 95% of the public will be in.  Prepare to be warm when it is cold outside or cool when it is hot outside.  Prepare a plan of what you and your family will do at different levels of collapse.  Prepare to eat when grocery store shelves are bare.  Prepare to drink when the tap fails to deliver water.  Prepare for what to do when your neighbors or family or friends show up at your doorstep because they were too busy watching television.  Prepare to defend what needs to be defended.  Prepare prepare prepare.

    Realize that at this point there is nothing you can do about the debt of this nation.  There is nothing you can do to change what is coming in the Middle East.  Regardless of the result of the upcoming election, neither candidate has dared utter the words broke or sacrifice.  Your only job at this point is to get yourself and your loved ones you choose to help through what is coming, whatever it may be.  This isn’t being selfish.  This, my friends…is survival.

    I truly believe that when the dust settles, we will emerge as a great and free nation.  Life will be hard, but there will be more meaning to the tasks of the day.  Communities will be stronger.  People will be healthier.  Families will be closer.  To get from this point to that, there will be much misery, but the greater the struggle, the greater the victory.  It is up to us in the prepping community to get our families and loved ones through the upcoming collapse.  I pray that someday, my children and grandchildren will be able to look back and say “Those were the good old days.” because I chose to prepare.

    Proverbs 22:3 A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.

    Take refuge my friends.

    God Bless,

    Norse Prepper

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    1. BadAmerican says:

      first word pray
      second word prepare

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      • Rev. Ike says:

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        • Iowa says:

          I pray…talk to God. What’s the problem?

          I cling to my Bible, guns, and my Oathes.

          God Help me.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            Iowa, you don’t understand what is going on here, O.K.?
            Last weekend I was defending our shared Christian faith and Bad American took the side of the Atheist. Frankly he was very rude to myself and others. Now he’s telling us that we all need to Pray, seems odd.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            Yes, praying is talking to God. But meditation is listening to God. Which is more important? God gave us a clue on that. With only 1 mouth but 2 ears, listening must be at least twice as important as talking. ;-)

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          • No Ike, (I exclude the Rev, cause to me ,you ain’t no shepperd) I’ve seen your kind before, “Its my way or you’re gonna burn in hell” bullshit. I grew up in the Baptist faith and also for many years attended Pencostal churches. Is one denomination better than others? NO! Traditions in most churches will send you on the road to hell faster than any other sin. I go to a church to get fed spiritually. If I don’t , I’m gone. I’m the prodigal son, and I know a “Poser” when I see one.

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          • T.R. says:

            Gods Creation says:
            “The Bible says you are not to take oaths. The only way to cling to an Oath is to drop the Bible. The only way to cling to the Bible is to drop the Oath.
            Pray for the answer to that dilemma. ”

            No dilemma , they are both your beliefs , anymore than a knights code of chivalry was in conflict with the church . they are both what you choose to follow , what the bible asks of us is unattainable or there would have been no need for Jesus . Its a guide , your oath is attainable and expedient .They are both the choice of good vs. evil depending on what that oath is . One is spiritual and one is honor .

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        • matt says:

          god doesnt give you what you need, he points out to what direction you need to go, sometimes you just have to take a minute and look around, you’ll have everything you need, but if you’d rather keep your eyes shut, thats just your choice of life

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          • T.R. says:

            Have to disagree , god may not give you what you want , but will give you what you need even if you dont recognize it as so .

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      • Diesel Dan says:

        Just harvested 2 deer today pretty good start on meat for the year!

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          Bow, centerfire, or black powder? My neighbor got a black bear with a bow 2 weekends ago.

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        • Anonymous says:

          What kind of deer? Mule is big.

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        • John W. says:

          How do you know they don’t have the wasting disease that you may get from eating them? Really bites that this has happened.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            @ JW
            How common is that? People here in MN love their Deer sausage. I know that it is like “Mad Cow” is caused by a prion infection of the nervous system and is fatal.

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          • BlueH20 says:

            @John W: It isn’t everywhere. We are in a Chronic Wasting Disease Area. We are advised to not cut too close to the spine or even to the bone. As long as the animal looks healthy, you can process and consume the majority of the meat. If the deer looks ill and wasted or is staggering, you notify DNR and I think they arrange to take the head for analysis.

            Best to research the subject as pertains to where you hunt and become familiar with the signs and precautions.

            That said, we all have been harvesting/eating from this area from before CWD was discovered and since and the deer not only look just fine, there have not been any outbreaks of the human variant. Questioned a local veterinarian who is an avid hunter and also on the district Emergency Management team for wildlife or domestic animal disease outbreaks, such as Hoof and Mouth. He think our deer are all ok, but the potential is there and everyone needs to be careful.

            More people are getting into processing out whole muscles and learning to roast them high temp/short time.
            Sausage isn’t as popular once you learn how to prepare venison. It is a delicacy. There is no need to *cover the flavor* or cook it to death when Bambi eats corn and apples and blackberries. Grinding it yourself w/some added beef fat is also better than just having the whole thing turned into burger at a processor.

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        • Congrats DD! I’ve seen a couple last evening but couldn’t get on ‘em. Headin’ back out in a few minutes.

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        • Diesel Dan says:

          Rev- black powder, broke my elbow offroading so no bow this year, been going stir crazy, yesterday was my opening day so I’m happy!

          John- no chronic wasting up here yet, we eat them rare and stack them deep!

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          • John W. says:

            Diesel Dan,
            Glad to hear that might not be much of a problem. After I posted my comment it dawned on me that some might take it as an anti hunting smart remark. No such intention, I have no problem with hunting especially for food and have several family members that do it every year in Oregon. Good hunting and good eating.

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          • Diesel Dan says:

            John no problem didn’t even cross my mind, thought you were trying to be informative and helpfull, stay safe!!

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        • greaseman says:

          Now your’re talking. at least you have found the time to do something constructive. I get sick of people who always seem to find fault in someone elses plan, when in fact, if we knew the truth, they probably aren’t doing anything. Keep hunting. that deer meat will one day be as good as gold.

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        • Jim says:

          Took down a rattle snake Wednesday. The second one got away. Used a 22LR from a nice old heavy frame revolver with one shot. That’s cheap meat on the table. Cooks and tastes like chicken … Really Does.

          You know why God invented hand guns right? SNAKES of all kinds including two legged ones.

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          • John W. says:

            Once upon a time when I used to run in the hills around here I encountered a guy walking the trails with a golf club. I asked if it was for defense againt any dogs he may encounter and replied no, he used it to do set ups with rattlesnakes knocking their heads off. You never know.

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        • KY Mom says:

          The Senators Choice

          While walking down the street one day a corrupt senator was tragically hit by a car and died.

          His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

          “Welcome to heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”

          “No problem, just let me in,” says the Senator..

          “Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we’ll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.”

          “Really?, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,” says the Senator.

          “I’m sorry, but we have our rules.”

          And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

          The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

          Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne.

          Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes.

          They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go.

          Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

          The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, “Now it’s time to visit heaven.”

          So, 24 hours passed with the Senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

          “Well, then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.”

          The Senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: “Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.”

          So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

          Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

          The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

          “I don’t understand,” stammers the Senator. “Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?”

          The devil smiles at him and says, “Yesterday we were campaigning, Today, you voted.”

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        • Lance says:

          Dan, unlike these other commenters, you actually went out on your own two feet and did for yourself. Like you perhaps, I find prayer lacking in calories.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Mac, I just can’t agree with your premise that no one wants American debt. In a land of dwarfs, even a midget can be king.

        Treasuries have a negative return.

        The purpose is two fold: first, it encourages banks and other investors to seek higher yields in alternative investments. It says to the markets: “We don’t want you to buy US bonds, we (the FED) want you to invest in other, more risky, but more aggressive investments to stimulate the economy”.

        Second, older bonds with higher yields are recycled into lower yielding instruments. Thus the American deficit, though higher, can be better serviced by American Government Income.

        Its no different than refinancing your mortgage at a lower rate and lowering your payments. That’s basic finance and that is what the FED is doing now. That is the way that it is accomplished at the lower level.

        The real threat to the American economy, the dollar, and the debt ceiling is an extended war with Iran. When war with Iran happens it better be quick, dirty, and excessive force applied, so that it doesn’t drag out.

        Another ten year engagement would destroy the dollar.

        While the good old days are over, the new challenges present new opportunities for those willing to take the initiative and apply themselves. That requires self development; either a skill, trade, or higher education.

        In any case, Americans must make their own job, but that is how WE became the most successful. self reliant country in the world.

        It has always been that way in America and still is. That is why those who immigrate legally more often than not become successful here. Those living on food stamps, with a housing subsidy and an O’Bummer phone are not motivated and they will fail.

        The rest of US should prep for the Changes that will come, physical. These physical changes will cause the collapse. the system will not implode.

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        • durango kidd says:

          “lower” I meant federal. A Freudian slip I think.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            DK
            I think that I might own you some $$$$. About a year ago you and I placed a bet as to who was going to win the election, remember? (I was posting under another name then). Anyway if the Romney wins, I owe you.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Sorry Mac: I thought you were the author. My bad.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Rev Ike: The Obama camp is collapsing. The media is starting to show Mitt in a more favorable light and when Mitt is head to head with O’bummer, people see the difference. And they prefer that difference.

            Mitt crushed at the Al Smith dinner. He will get another bounce.

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          • Kevin2 says:

            durango kidd

            You would be an optimist on death row.

            I’ll debate the 1/3 figure. Starting when? Certainly we’re not down 1/3 from our hay day in 1960. I doubt if we have 1/3 from 1970. We lost a third in the last 15 years and had been loosing for 3 decades prior to that.

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          • Rick:) says:

            DK, Most still don’t get it. They want look back and not ahead. It’s a natural reaction. Some are thriving. Think outside the box. As Dad used to say ” use your head for more than a hat rack”.
            History is littered with those who got left in the wake of changing times. Your choice to whine about it, or change with the times.
            Part of “preparing” is learning how to make it in the new world. Instead of whining about the sucessful, try to learn from them and benefit yourself.
            MSNBC just had a fellow on whose job is being outsourced. 30 years in a plant, $17.00 an hour, 54 yo. Are you f@#$ing kidding? I think I was supposed to feel sorry for him. No front teeth. Here’s a clue friend; Invest in yourself. Physically and mentally. The Corp. owes you nothing. Friday paycheck settles the score every week. Time to take responsibility for your life. Sorry your 54 yo, and just finding out.
            Wake up sheeple! Make sure loosing your “job” won’t cripple you, whatever that requires.
            Take control. Or be prepared to get swept away.

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          • durango kidd says:

            K2: The 1/3 number is correct, but it doesn’t mean WE should accept that as a nation. A lower dollar against other currencies and a tremendous oil & gas boom will stimulate the American economy.

            Its in the cards. :-)

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        • Kevin2 says:

          No great nation is great for long without major industry that is the wealth creator. The focus on “small business” is just that small. Wealth is measured in goods produced, value mined and tons of food produced. Invention is great providing it’s dovetail fit into indigenous manufacturing. If Henry Ford figured out the assembly line in the US but used it in Tim-buck-too the US gets bragging rights and nothing else.

          “In a land of dwarfs, even a midget can be king.”

          The above is very true but like the phrase, “How do you look young and thin? Hang out with old fat people”. Yes it’s true but it does not change the fact that your still fat and old.

          The bottom line is your going to have less. If my neighbor is starving and I’m just hungry his starvation does not quell my hunger pains.

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          • Iixsive says:

            And in the land of the blind
            The one eyed man is king…

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          • durango kidd says:

            No Kevin I am going to have more. Others can too if they use their head and quit thinking with their dick.

            Grow your own. Attitude is everything.

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          • TheGuy says:

            Some day
            Some day
            Some day
            Dominion
            Come a time…

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          • TheGuy says:

            By the way, that was sarcasm.

            It was also old school emo goth stuff…

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          • John W. says:

            Any nation that requires over a trillion dollars of printed funny money every year to give the illusion of prosperity is not in anyway healthy economically. We have gotten away with it because we are the big kid on the block but that does not change the fact that a day of reckoning will come.

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          • T.R. says:

            John W. says:
            October 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm

            “Any nation that requires over a trillion dollars of printed funny money every year to give the illusion of prosperity is not in anyway healthy economically. We have gotten away with it because we are the big kid on the block but that does not change the fact that a day of reckoning will come.”

            I wonder just how big a kid we would actually be if we went nose to nose , both sides full tilt against a strong enemy that could actually hurt us and hurt us badly ? ( Russia/China ) The Pattons , Bradleys and MacArthurs will not be in todays generalship .just sayin

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “Those living on food stamps, with a housing subsidy and an O’Bummer phone are not motivated and they will fail.”

          Allow me to suggest that they have already failed and that is why they seek hand-outs instead of a hand-up.

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          • KY Mom says:

            As a country, we have forgotten that with rights come responsibilities.

            We need to remember that our motto is…

            In GOD we trust.

            and NOT … in govt. we trust.

            “Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
            - Gerald Ford

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          • durango kidd says:

            41MagMan: Yes of course, they have failed. That doesn’t mean that the rest of US must accept and capitulate to the status quo.

            WE must demand change.

            For example in Arizona $200 million was spent last year on Medicade for the very poor …. to have babies. That’s right, of all of the medicade funds used for medical treatment for the poor, $200 million was used for these morons to replicate their stupid genes. another 45,000 morons were born in AZ last year on the taxpayer dime.

            Stupid because if these people cannot afford to feed, clothe, and house their children,they shouldn’t receive medical care to have more. Additional AZ CPS is asking for another $50 million for new hires to reduce their caseload.

            Philosophically speaking, I support medical treatment for the poor for real health issues, but not for pregnancy. Unfortunately that program is being abused

            In the meantime I don’t envy their predicament. I mean would you want the life that they have created for themselves?

            Not me. I will continue to work toward my goals, determined to achieve them, and full of optimism. And I will do everything I can to legally mitigate my tax payments :-)

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        • disector284 says:

          @DK,

          I agree with most all of the first half of what you stated ( the Bernank and FED) but the fact is that it is to little to late. The mouth breathing EBT’ers will never vote the free lifestyle away. We will continue to pay and downsize and they will continue to breed and grow into a larger group of voters. Look at the EU. I was even thinking the other day that if you are on the gov. dole you lose voting privilege. I realize that seems harsh but so dose intruding on freedoms like making the mouth breathers take a pee test to get freebies. As far as us small business owners, we just can’t afford to keep paying for it. So many issues that it is really going to take a long drawn out mess (good times are gone) to correct the pending payback we created. Heck wait till the class warfare starts after this election. I really do feel it all starts when you let people vote for more free shit for themselves. Heck if that is why every politician would promise the mouth breathers what ever they wanted. I also agree that a war (Iran) or any other large or continued conflict could topple what remains of the good old US of A. But think about that long drawn out scenario again. I think the Petro dollars demise will be the beginning of the end for this great nation. We as a nation ALL enjoyed free and it is fast approaching time to pay the piper. The world is getting stronger and isn’t afraid to tell us to take a hike. The USA is like a world of kings to the rest of the globe and even if we don’t see it, they hate us. They would love nothing more than to see us fail. To be honest, there are a great many things our government has done in our name that was not cool. Mac was right when he says “the good day’s are gone”.

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          • disector284 says:

            Correction…. Norse prepper was right when he stated “the good days are gone”.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Dissector: So many pissers, moaners, and whiners are lamenting the US Debt, the ratio of which is currently 102%, but after WWII our debt to GDP ratio was over 120%.

            Somehow WE managed. :-)

            Oil imports are down from 40% to 25% of the total that WE use. By the end of Mitts first term, the US will be exporting tonnes of Natural Gas to Europe (hurting Gasprom) and US oil production will be at new highs.

            There is a new oil boom happening in the States, there is lots of oil and gas here, and it will be unleashed by Mitt.

            As for the grazers breeding I understand, and to that I can only say: Engage your employees or be impoverished by them.

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        • Terandak Jack says:

          A quick dirty war with Iran? You sound very optimistic Durango. The US could apply enough excessive force on Iran to make a big dent. However, the only reason a war on Iran hasn’t happened already comes down to a couple little factors. That being Russia and China and a couple other countries. As soon as the US start the next war, on Iran and/or Syria, the US is going to end up fighting half the countries on the planet in retaliation!!!!
          Russia and China are well and truely capable of putting up a fight. In all seriousness, the last thing the US should be doing is starting another war. The world looks at the US like it’s an updated version of Nazi Germany. Everyone’s had enough.

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          • John W. says:

            I do not want to think about the casualties should we get in a war with a country that has a submarine navy and air power. All those gator freighters loaded with Marines would be a nightmare were they to be sunk in a war. We have not had a first rate opponet since WW2 and have been able to operate with little fear of heavy damage to our sealift assets. Even so we have not been able to win a war since then. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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          • durango kidd says:

            TJack: China and Russia will be sitting this one out. Iran will attack American interests in the gulf as best they can after an Israeli First Strike.

            The US responds in self defense. Game on. Game over.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Tjack: Syria is being eliminated as a threat as WE speak. Expect that conflict to deepen. Expect Assad to be eliminated. His wife and kid have fled the country. Syria will be partitioned.

            Assad’s body will be dragged through the streets of Damascus. Can you say, Saddam Hussein?

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          • Melvin says:

            I would tend to agree with DK here, Russia and China would probably prefer to watch USA bury itself financially, and then pick over what’s left. We could easily pound Iran, but won’t. USA will ass around and waste other kids’ lives and limbs for the benefit of the MIC like we have so many times.

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        • zukuduh says:

          ‘dk’
          well said, however the fed wants to “destroy” the dollar aka qeternity, devaluing the currency to get inflation . but they have been unsuccessful. there will be no physical changes, no “cracks” – wrong again. continents have spread after last pole shift . scientists say its impossible. besides, to put a time frame on something like that is absurd!SHTFPLAN.COM headline 700 years from : Durango Kid was right, timing was wrong

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          • durango kidd says:

            Z: Thanks for the chuckle. The LSM noted in an article just the other day that a Pole Shift is long overdue.

            All I know is what I read in the paper! :-)

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        • JustMe says:

          LOL…

          DK, sometimes you’re dreamin’…

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        • John W. says:

          Every percentage point rise in interest rates increases the debt service by 750 billion a year. That is one of the key reasons why rates are so low. If rates went where they should be it would be game over in six months as the debt would be unserviceable. Not that it isn’t already.

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      • Adam says:

        http://www.thetrumpet.com – great website for Christians who are interested in bible prophecy.

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        • curious george says:

          Adam- wanted to give you a thousand thumbs up, but can’t. You’re pissing against the wind on this forum about the Trumpet… most “christians” are, and forever will be deceived by satan until the end. I read the Trumpet daily and am a true believer, but rarely ever TRY to point out the faults of organized religion any more. All I can say to you is to keep vigilant watch and may Christ be with you.

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      • Rick:) says:

        Give a man an ” easy way out”, and he’ll take it.

        It’s a very tricky proposition to make a sucessfull argument that real compassion includes challanging the human spirit.

        Is it better to give a fish, or teach how to fish?

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      • mikael says:

        I am from the one of the last tribes that actualy lived without money in a different system of distributing wealth, aka: the resorces aviable at a closed geographical area, to live of the land requires bigg areas.
        Of course we had money, but only for trade with other areas onder other political/practical systems.

        In the late 1800 the name you had was your credit, and from whom you have learned and previous traded with, all gave you the credit, not money, in the modern sense, but by Name. And that defined the person you are.
        To have and to execute trust is and have been since time immemorial ben that only thing a Man(also women, the same gopes for them)have.
        Cooperation in every aspect is vital, delegate intresses and areas of comerse in a group, divide all in the group, but exes goes to trade, for salt, as an ex. salt is a source of extrem importance, find or licalise anything mineral deps. or learn to make a passive sea salt distilator, wery easy to make infact, if you live by the sea, and dont forgett, the sea water can infact be usea as it is, for boiling food, anything, because of the natural salt in it, 2-4%.
        Cand drink it, but you can use it.

        A.s.o.

        In the old days, tasks where given asfter ability. Some cant walk but can doi oother things like Handling and reparing, anything, like fishnets and make food, hermeticly and salted to consevation.
        A.s.o.

        You see, in the end we are all dependent on eatch others in any form of self sustainable societys, anywhere. And even at any time. You dont have to go back in “time” but power syply and other “products” can be distorted or be gone, and have that in the back of your mind.

        Live life, this is the difference between mere suvival, or living, when that day comes. Its not paranoia, this is something done thue milleniums, be prepared, not live in fear, but be calm and collected, and when its time, you can do things fast.
        That may be the thing you survived because of.
        And your fammily.

        peace

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      • Dawkin says:

        There happens to be no evidence at all for God’s existence. Believing in something does not make it true. Religion is a terrible bi-product of humanity and has caused so much misery and death. I know you will never change your mind. You are lost.

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          @ Dawkin
          I beg to differ. Jesus Christ is a historical fact and figure. The God=Man. Our whole Western way of life has been built on this pure and simple fact.

          I you wish to go the “evidence route”, over the past 2,000 years numerous Jury Trials have been conducted where “evidence” was submitted. Jesus hasn’t lost, not even once.

          If what you say was true, the enemies of mankind/God, such as Marxism, would have buried The Church years ago. Funny thing, We’re still here!

          The people who knew Christ best, family and Apostles all died professing Faith in Christ as the God man. Some died in violent deaths and thus in court their faith is considered “Death Bed Confessions” and again are evidence.

          And please don’t tell me that your delusions are based upon “Science”, because so is Global Warming and we all know how true that is.

          The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the Word of God lasts forever.

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    2. Ted Kennedy says:

      Hold Au and never sell until it hurts good.

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      • Ted Kennedy says:

        Dear Ted,

        Speaking fundamentally, $12,400 is the price gold would have to trade at to balance the international balance sheet of the USA.

        That is the true function of gold, to balance the US balance sheet. This is the fundamental Angel of the gold price.

        Jim

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    3. Slim says:

      Buckets and buckets of Uncle Ben’s QE3 rice and beans for the last stand. Throw in an ass load of Spam too.

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      • asian prep says:

        all the sodium in the SPAM will come handy doing hard labor. got a closet full of the FAUX meat LOL

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      • Kevin2 says:

        Slim

        Spam fried crisp and a couple of eggs over easy might not agree with my cardiologist but it’s damn sure tasty.

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        • disector284 says:

          K2,

          I just figured out what I’m having for breakfast Sunday! Thank you.

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        • asian prep says:

          armaggeddon spam fried rice might not bring back the good old days but the bad days might not be so bad LOL

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        • Prepping Preacher says:

          screw the cardiologist and his/her opinion… while there may well be value in medical opinion & procedure, most are likely in it for the money like in every other business… that said, we too have a quantity of both canned and foil, vaccuum-packed spam on hand for the coming appointed days… enjoy what you can when you can…

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        • Gregory8 says:

          Kevin2: Monty Python had a funny skit on Spam, check it out.

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        • greg says:

          How do you pay for that cardiologist? I’d really like to know. I can’t afford one.

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          • John W. says:

            Learn Spanish, get a tan and no papers. Piece of cake. One of the hospitals in sany Eggo spent over a million bucks on a transplant for one.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Greg: Start taking multivitamins with minerals, antioxident supplements, and walk around the block a couple of times a night and you won’t need a cardiologist in six months.

            CoQ-10 is good for the heart.

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        • Melvin says:

          For the most part, fuck the doctors. They have been preaching this low fat, low cholestrol shit for 30 years and Americans are fatter than ever.

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    4. bob says:

      OH Come on Now!!!! Good ole Barry says it’s just MATH!!!

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    5. Big Boy .44 says:

      Blue water sail boat in warm snorkel depth water to choose which fish is for din din.

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      • Facebook Page says:

        I miss that. Thank you Rev for reminding me of my youth on the water. It take a lot to get my happy up and that gave it a boost.

        32 Ft of solitude. Snorkels or tanks. Lobster and grouper so fresh they are still moving going to the fire. Stop at a sandbar for a fire and nap.

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          Fishing off of Pompano Bch. pier. Hanging at “The Button”, Remember “Fat Johnny’s” on Oakland Park Blvd?….Put alittle South in your Mouth”.

          For me it will always be fishing in the Everglades, I still dream about if FB.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            Oh I rember that peir and the Deerfeild peir. Yes I remeber the food. For me it was diving in the bahamas and fishing in the keys. I always got eaten alive by the bugs.

            I was a beach kid always at the “Strip”.

            I tried to respond to your lower post did a great plan and the phone dumped it. I will do it again. I might have a few good (Tested) ideas. I was assumeing your age.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            Cronch fritters and stone crabs in the Winter.

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          • Big Boy .44 says:

            LARGE grouper with a sling. Conch. Lobster at 80 feet like looking in post office boxes along the ledge.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            Conk soup and Blue crab claws. Winter right 68 degrees and I was freezing back then.

            Ever go to a sandbar and lay in the swallow water when it was like a hot tub. Bunch of friends and no worries.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            44 perfect description for the lobster. Until you go over a ledge and instead of a lobster it a 10 ft eel. CRaaaap I miss good fresh grouper. Or real red snappers.

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        • John W. says:

          Sadly those days are gone. Sandbridge Beach at the NC and Va. border where we used to race our cars on the beach they will now give you a ticket for stepping off the wood trestle path.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            When I traveled the natural area the people that were out there gave a crap about it. Use it like it should of never destroy for any good reason. Heat or food that it. But know they tear shit up just for the fun of it all the time. Don’t get me wng when I Was I messed up a few thing for fun. But a big different between paint and eggs or fire and a bat.

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          • glacialhills says:

            There is a place I found down in the keys that has an unimproved boat ramp. People power load their boats so they have really washed out the ramp and it is over ten foot deep out there but less than 4 foot the rest of the area large flats out over a 1/4 mile.

            the lobsters have completely honeycombed both sides of the ramp cut/washout and, I kid you not, they are 4-6 pounds the lot of them.Biggest one we got was almost 10.(that big one we let go cause its really old and they are the best breeders and dont taste as good as the smaller ones anyway) I would bet there were over 100 in that one small cut. It don’t get any easier than that.

            Yum!

            So if you live down there, check out the boat launch ramps for some huge lobsters.I am sure there are others with lots of lobsters besides the one I found. I live in Michigan now and dont expect to get back down anytime soon if ever again.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “32 Ft of solitude. Snorkels or tanks. Lobster and grouper so fresh they are still moving going to the fire. Stop at a sandbar for a fire and nap.”

          Yep… that and a cutie bringing me a cold beer from time to time. :-D

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      • Big Boy .44 says:

        Nothing like jumping in naked in the warm sea water off of sailboat for evening dinner with a lime/antifreeze.

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      • Big Boy .44 says:

        Joe’s stone crab road sales along A1A.

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          I live in Minnesota now, water so cold you can’t even swim in July. Tell people that you eat Grits or catfish, people think that you’re from Mars. Nice folks

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          • Facebook Page says:

            I base in wash state now. No kidding Water maybe in the bath. Minnesota what a choice

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          • Big Boy .44 says:

            Night time scuba on a full moon night.

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          • Facebook Page says:

            My father broke me of my fear of night diving by taking me to see jaws when it opened and afterward took me to the pier that night and threw me in. I learn to run on water. Never had a problem with night diving after that. My mother almost kill him. I was quite smaller than.
            I was young and because I survived I thought I was invulnerable from then on out.

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          • SonOfSam says:

            If its any consolation Rev Ike, I get shit for talking like a Northerner all the time down here in SC . Fer cryin’ out loud, I ate grits catfish sweet potatoes and collards BEFORE I moved down here, and the first thing I did when I arrived was to buy a 12 gauge. I talk the way I talk because I’m 47 and spent the first 45 in a bluestate gulag… wtf do people expect.

            One fellow said I sounded like Alec Baldwin. To which I replied “I don’t have his money, and I don’t vote like him though” :-)

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          • laura m. says:

            Rev Ike: I live in S.E. ala, formerly in Fla. neear the gulf. Catfish and turnip greens or collards, butter beans (baby lima’s) tomorrow for us. The Wisc.and Ariz. folks we know are missing out on real food. The gulf is trashed with chemicals/pollution so the great times of eating shrimp, oysters, other gulf sea foods decades ago are over with.

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        • Facebook Page says:

          YEs Yes Ys What was clothes when out there a few miles.

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      • Joe (another) says:

        Here’s a poem I wrote.

        F Troop at the Battle of Sabine Pass

        On the bank of the river, in a grassy fort,
        Two score Irishmen were drinking their port.
        When they got in the mood, they’d fire their gun,
        Or polish the brass till it shone like the sun.

        Banished to the edge of the range,
        Censured and heaped with shame.
        Cavalry walking on foot,
        Wearing out their boots.

        Sixteen warships, bringing their woes,
        Invaded the bay as conquering foes.
        Sixteen hundred soldiers and marines,
        To capture the ways, and seize the greens.

        The fleet didn’t hear a noise,
        Though guards were alert and on their toes.
        Without warning the lead gunboat exploded,
        And, as ships sank, their advantage eroded.

        Ambushed by drunkards, exploited by fools,
        Everything lost, even the mules.
        No hope of recovery, his honor afar,
        An admiral surrendered to a lowly butterbar.

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      • Nehweh Gahnin says:

        Sounds great. At least until you realize that the Gulf has been killed by BP, that every ocean has an enormous gyre of plastic trash as broad as Texas and a mile deep (plasticizing all life through the food chain, starting with plankton), that there are dead harp seals washing up in Alaska with lesions from Fukushima radiation, that there are areas the size of the state of Washington — off the coast of Washington and California — with no oxygen whatsoever (dead zones), and that 80% of the reefs around the world have been bleached. As a certified diver, this saddens me beyond words. Good lulck with that, though.

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        • laura m. says:

          Nehweh G: The gulf is an open sewer even before the BP mess, Katrina leaked tons of raw sewage and many corpses/livestock into the gulf. I haven’t eaten gulf seafood since the late 80′s. Friends got sick from e coli and other infections eating gulf sea foods yet still sold in stores.

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    6. Daisy says:

      Great article, Norse Prepper! Thank you! :)

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      • Norse Prepper says:

        Thanks Daisy!

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      • KY Mom says:

        Norse Prepper,

        I agree. Great article!

        We cannot go back in time to the good old days, but maybe we can remember or relearn the skills and values that made our country strong.

        We need to remember our roots.

        “The God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God.”
        - Thomas Jefferson

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    7. copperhead says:

      DON’T BEAT YOURSELF UP WORRYING — JUST PREPARE!
      “All you can do is all you can do, and all you can do is enough;
      the rest is God’s grace.” – Christos

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    8. Bruchie says:

      I was raised & taught by my Grandma, she raised four kids the Great Depression. My Grandpa was wounded in France during WW1. He was nerve gassed & mustard gassed. Needless to say itwas rough for them. She taught me to garden, raise chickens& how to work! I am 57 years old & still remember all she taught me & all her sayings. I miss her greatly. Can we make it ? Yes will it be easy? No. We lots of prayer & Gods guidance we will make. God helps us, be merciful to us, forgive us.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        Nice story but nerve gas did not exist until the 1930s, so not available in WWI. Agree with all the rest and have a similar background.

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        • bob says:

          41MagMan you are a doghnut… Mustard Gas (Yperite) was first used by the German Army in September 1917

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          • Anton Hackl says:

            @ bob

            Read his reply again…he said “NERVE GAS” not mustard gas.
            FYI Bob, there’s a huge difference between the two.
            Mustard Gas is a blistering agent, its burns tissue, is very caustic…especially to mucus bearing tissue, thus it cooks the lungs.

            41MagMan beat ya to the draw & you didn’t catch it!

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    9. Archer25 says:

      “let me guess, huge waterfall?” “yep”, “Sharp rocks at the bottom?” , “Most Likely….” BRING IT ON….

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    10. Rev. Ike says:

      The doom and gloom shopping cart is almost full up. Other than the , “buy guns, ammo, gold, silver, ect”. Has anyone worked on a detailed plan as to what to do if Obama gets elected again? Has anyone even began to start a plan?

      Sure, take your money out of the banks is a very good idea. What do you do if you have 3/4 of a million in the bank, that’s a bunch of TP and rice.

      Is all we have are simple answers and concepts? The article was a good start, but there better be more or we are sunk, I’m afraid.

      My Father and Mother escaped Cuba when I was very young by building a boat of scrap lumber and water proof table cloths. They had our escape planned more than a year before Havana fell to Castro.

      Are we all captive to our own fears?

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      • Iowa says:

        Rev. Ike:

        “What do you do if you have 3/4 of a million in the bank, that’s a bunch of TP and rice.

        Thats a lot gold coins God gave you. Do what Jesus told you to do with your “wealth” and prepare to help the poor. Make sure you give back those coins to God with interest.

        “Are we all captive to our own fears?”

        Yes. Fear is a lie and a prison, an evil seed sown by Satan.

        Are you sure you’re a Rev?

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          Iowa, I really don’t wish to fight with you, nor do I need to justify my life or wealth.

          I know that you describe yourself as poor and married to a Woman of color. That you live on a farm in Iowa and are a big Ron Paul supporter. I believe that you just bought your first shotgun a few weeks ago and plan on your first deer hunt soon. So tell me, what do you know about me, friend?
          I’m a retired Cuban American who has worked for over 40 years helping others. I spent the better part of 15 years in the Mission Field in Central America. I served as a Medic in Viet Nam. I was ordained in the Presbyterian Church and I been married to the same woman for 31 years.

          My point is that there does not seem to be a detailed or advanced plan in play other than the stale old “beans, bandaids, and bullets advice….is it O.K. that I have my own opinion?

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          • Facebook Page says:

            And you are allow to enjoy your hard work savings.

            And Rev I will get you started. Think about this. That amount is not wealth it is being comfortable. That doesn’t even make you rich anymore. Try living off an income from it. Not going to be very comfortable.

            You need to get it transferred in to the new system that we create and maintain it value as you look at it.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            FB, you are soo right, The Fed is killing us “Boomers”, sucks. Hey are you a truck driver, you seem to move around a bit?

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          • lonelonMum says:

            Possession has always been 9/10 of the law. If you don’t hold it in your hand, you don’t own it in the event of shtf.

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          • Iowa says:

            Rev Ike:

            “Iowa, I really don’t wish to fight with you, nor do I need to justify my life or wealth.”

            You’re right.

            “is it O.K. that I have my own opinion?”

            Yes.

            “So tell me, what do you know about me, friend?”

            We’re both on the same side. Thumbs up.

            God Bless.

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          • Jerry C. says:

            @ Rev. Ike,

            In my family, we literally live from paycheck to paycheck – by choice. The rate of return is far better in ‘food – water – and ammo’ (that’s kind of a ‘figure of speech / kind of not…. for my family anyway) than in any kind of ‘paper’ wealth. I wouldn’t begin to tell you how to ‘manage’ your finances except to remind you about Isaiah 2:20 ”In that day men will cast away to the moles and the bats their idols of silver and their idols of gold, which they made for themselves to worship”.

            I’m not saying that you ‘worship’ gold or silver – I’m just looking to a prophecy about the ultimate worthlessness that even gold and silver will have in the closing days of this age.

            A review of the words of Jesus is always a good idea – I’m thinking of: store up your treasures in Heaven where moth, rust, and theft will not affect it… however, that’s between you and the Holy Spirit… believe me, I have my hands full just trying to keep account of my own actions before the Lord… I’m not about to try and be your conscience…

            From my vantage point, I consider your amount of wealth as an ‘abundance’… thankfully, I have considerably less to worry about…Ecclesiastes 5:12 The sleep of a laborer is sweet, whether he eats little or much, but the abundance of a rich man permits him no sleep.

            In other words, I would be loosing sleep ‘stressing’ if I had what you have – thankfully, God has not permitted me to have that… for me Proverbs 30:8b-9 applies: “… give me neither poverty or riches, but give me only my daily bread. Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you and say, ‘Who is the LORD?’ Or I may become poor and steal, and so dishonor the name of my God.”

            On the issue of o-bubba getting re-elected or not – that whole mess is just one big adventure for me along with absolutely everything else going on in the world – it’s all WAY beyond my control… I’m just doing what I can to ‘prepare against it’ and leaving everything else in the hands of God our Father…

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        • Gregory8 says:

          Iowa: You wouldn’t be lining up with the poor to maybe get some of Rev. Ike’s ‘blessings’ (money) would you? Nice try at a guilt trip farm boy.

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      • Facebook Page says:

        Ys and I try to post this long one and my phone dumped it. I do more at the next rest stop.

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      • John W. says:

        It must really piss them off to see what has happened to the US. We are now on the verge of having our own Castro. I am not real confident that Romney will win simply because as Stalin said “It’s not who votes but who counts the votes”.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “What do you do if you have 3/4 of a million in the bank, that’s a bunch of TP and rice.”

        With a stash like that, you might qualify to emigrate to New Zealand. That would be one way to avoid most of the BS storm that is coming.

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          Never even considered it. We’re American’s and plan to stand our ground with the rest. I don’t like fighting, but I have never run from one either.

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        • @ 41MagMan….New Zealand….isn’t that where the big movie producer(James Cameron) is in the process of moving to? Think I just heard of him buying thousands of acres in that part of the country, so that he could be self sufficient…i.e. his own power plant, lumber, streams, etc….

          Oh well, I am certainly out of his league…..but did can my first batch of chicken today….did beef a couple months ago, just getting started with the home canning…..Each time, I am a little less “nervous” of that big shiny pot!!…take care, CC

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          • 41MagMan says:

            Yes, I believe that I did read about that. Got me interested, so I looked up the NZ immigration policy. What I read said that you had to have NZ$750k to invest in NZ and that if you did you could apply for a renewable residence visa. Seemed kind of steep to me. I could afford that but would prefer not to invest that much in one place.

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      • disector284 says:

        Go to Cuba and live big until the smoke clears. And for all the gold you need to buy and bury. Just leave us the TRSQ and we will watch it for you. LOL

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      • Daisy says:

        Rev Ike: It’s hard to figure out a plan when everyone’s needs are different. But you are blessed with a significant bank account so you could do some things, prepping wise, that most of us just dream about:

        A very nice well-stocked retreat
        Build a bunker
        Buy property/farmland

        If you already have a home/retreat property that you are happy with you could make modifications to it:

        A solar powered generator to run the place grid down
        Have a deep well drilled
        Add a rainwater cistern
        Add security fencing to the entire perimeter
        Modify the house to include a wood-heat system
        Harden at least one room of the house to be a “safe room”

        These are just a few other ideas to toss out there. Aside from that, you are on a “gold” budget. Change those dollars to something that will maintain the value of the money that you have worked hard to save.

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      • Anton Hackl says:

        @ Rev. Ike

        You are most fortunate to have been blessed with such brave & caring parents.

        Per your closing question, yes I think most are captive to their fears, to the degree that they’ve predetermined their actions when the balloon goes up and resistance is required.
        Courage still exists in America & I witness its manifestation here on any given thread, by numerous posters.
        Thus I have hope & hope is the one thing, that is stronger than fear.

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      • eeder says:

        rev, why dont you just be thankful you could live the fiat dream while fiat was king, and live the freedom dream when it isnt? whats wrong with having it all and still having some fiat in the bank while it was worth something. youre missing the point too here. that is the point. you only need a certain amount of money and than after a certain point, it really isnt worth anything to you. just accept rev… you will have chips still on the table when the table collpases. be smart enough to let it the fu@& go right there and than, and start your new life. let it the fu&^ go rev, let it the fu&# go!

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      • Anton Hackl says:

        @ Rev. Ike

        WOW…reverend, you sure have some well heeled parishioners there at the “Church of the Pickled Flock.”
        Do you use a wheelbarrow in place of the collection plate? Got any job openings? I can drive a wheelbarrow real good!

        You know, it would simply tickle my liver to sit in on your sermons sometime.

        …LOL…

        Seriously Rev, good for you!
        Protect that $750k & use it for you & yours. Hard times are a coming.
        Best of luck to you.

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      • Cameraman says:

        Answer..Buy More Guns and Ammo!

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    11. Mad_max says:

      Good stuff

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    12. Moonraker says:

      Prepare for the worse, hope for the best

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      • Sierra Dave says:

        No!!!

        Prepare for the worst. WORK for the best.

        Hope is when you don’t have ANY ability to change things. I pray and HOPE for the safety of our troops around the world.

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        • Gregory8 says:

          Sierra Dave: Pray nothing, bring all of our troops home now. We’ll save their lives and a whole lot of money in the bargin. And please respond with a bit of intelligence rather than some psuedo-indignant 3rd grade reply about ‘defending our freedoms and the war on terror’ tripe. I can teach my parrot to say those words. Our days of empire building are coming to an end, the least we can do is spare these brave young men and women more pain and suffering.

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          • Sierra Dave says:

            I do agree we need to downsize and bring most of the troops and assets back home. Way too much money going into other countries economies instead of ours.

            I’ll say something very controversial. When some butt-head like Hugo Chaves comes out and starts trashing us. I say cruise missiles the SOB. Why send in the troops and have hundreds or thousands of wounded Americans AND wounded or killed innocent nationals who have no gun rights and no power to throw out the Dictators.

            The world is a huge Chess board and you cannot leave it completely open to China and Russia. Wars are won or fought before they firing begins,

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    13. jasoncookies says:

      Make sure to prep on herbs and spices. Trust me on this one. The variety well placed herbs add make eating rice and beans a lot more bearable.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        Yes, they do, and no doubt about it.

        Fortunately, great flavor can be had from onions and garlic, both of which do well in a vegetable garden. Add some salt, pepper, chili powder, and a few others and you’re good to go… spice-wise, anyway.

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      • lonelonMum says:

        Simple culinary herbs are cheap & easy to grow in many places. Even in an apartment you can have a window box or two. Dry any excess. We love roast potatoes and rosemary. A bit of spice with your rice is a great way to make a limited post shtf diet more palatable.

        Also many herbs and spices have medicinal uses – worth knowing some simple remedies now in prep for the days when simple commercial preparations become unavailable or extremely precious, especially if you have kids.

        Off topic one for the kids

        http://www.class-central.com/ I know several either home now, or are including materials to so as part of your preps. This is another handy site that I haven’t seen shared yet on this site that offers free college level online courses on a variety of topics. Hopefully it will be of benefit to someone.

        I personally think life is gonna get really, really tough for our kids, but that for our Grandchildren it will be a simpler existence unpolluted by the bankers poison. Eventually the pendulum will swing against the sheer evil swirling the globe at present, and the meek will inherit the earth.

        I have real hope for the long term (perhaps it comes from getting to seeing the achievements of disabled kids on a day to day basis.) The sheer capacity of the human spirit to overcome adversity and triumph despite all odds is often forgotten and underestimated both by preppers and tptb alike.

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    14. don't tread says:

      The good ole days were over about 20 years ago, then it was ten and now looking back, I had some pretty good times just a mere five years ago. If the Lord tarries, these days may become the good ole days.

      We don’t really know the time frame of these last days, but all we can do is make the best of the times we have left. It is hard to get happy for any extended period of time when you know there are so many distraught, and seemingly at the end of their rope.

      The lucky ones are those that have someone to turn to for help. The lucky ones are those that are older and better prepared for the truly tough times. The lucky ones are those that have their priorities right and have a strength of faith that is unfaltering.

      There is always hope,for those that seek it.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        Well said, I’m not trying to pick a fight, your words are truthful and from the heart.
        Not to nitpick but I would say the “The Ones who are blessed”, “Lucky Ones” makes it sound like He is not in control.

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        • don't tread says:

          @ Rev

          Yea, I know what you mean. I absolutely agree that “God is still in control”, however; only to the point of blessings coming to those that have him first and foremost in their hearts. I am one. For those that don’t, there is “luck”.

          There is also an element of luck due to freewill. God tells us this. In Luke 13 where Christ was teaching; he told of the tower of Siloam falling on 18 people and killing them. His teachings reveal that “things happen” and sometimes it’s just an accident and people are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and has nothing to do with being saved or not, or being blessed or not. Shit happens.

          When I was barreling down the road in my 18 wheeler, grossing 80,000 lbs., looked across the median as one of my trailer wheels went bouncing past an oncoming(traveling opposite direction on Interstate) vehicle at 65 mph; I’d say they were possibly blessed and lucky, to have not had the 150+ lbs. of rubber and steel come crashing thru their windshield causing death and destruction. I was “damn” lucky not have had it happen either.

          If God controlled “every” aspect of our lives then there would be no need for “freewill” and accidents would be a thing of the past. Not much excitement in a life like that. I do believe, as a believer, there are more times than not, that God “intervenes” on my behalf. Sometimes I just get lucky. When I was “whoring” around in the eighties (after my divorce), I got “lucky” a lot. I turned down more booger in a month than most guys got in a year. Some women were so wonderful I felt I was blessed. Those were the good ole days but short lived. It’s all about perspective. For unbelievers, they are relying on themselves and happenstances and luck, for the most part.
          Just sayin’ and not being argumentative.

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      • Prepared Pastor says:

        The good ole days weren’t really that good. We just choose to remember the good parts and forget most of the bad.

        One day my children may look back at the good ole days when Mom & Dad stayed home with them and worked the homestead. Maybe they will remember how we sat around the fire at night and orally passed our life stories to them.

        Perspective is a wonderful thing.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        I once read a comment from a Greek philosopher who said that the world was crumbling, young people did not respect their elders, religion was dying, money was less valuable, wars were popping up all around, etc, etc, etc. This was 2,400 years ago. My guess is that every generation thinks that things are bad and getting worse. Once in a great while, they are even right about that. Most times, not.

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        • Rick:) says:

          When or where in the history of the world, have more people lived a relative life of luxury, than the USA right now?

          Are these the good old days? It’s all relative.

          If your reading this, it means you have a device, web access, a roof, electricity, and probably not starving to death.At a minimum.
          Most of the world would consider you rich.

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          • don't tread says:

            I totally agree, Rick:)

            I read somwhere that if you had all those things you mentioned and a car/transportation and either had them paid for/means to pay for them/and up-keep for them; you were in the top 2 % of the wealthiest people ever to have lived.

            And yet, people bitch and gripe and piss and moan most of the time because they say they are “barely getting by”. It is all relative as to what brings comfort and security and how hard you are willing to work for those things.

            If my great grandparents, were living today with the modern conveniences and more food available than they ever had seen in a lifetime at one grocery store; they would have thought they had died and gone to heaven.
            What an unappreciative and undeserving society of peoples we have become.

            There “may” come a day when all that changes. Then again there may not. All I’m doing is “prepping” for the worst case scenario and not worrying too much about how it unfolds. When I face my Saviour and Father, I want to say I read your word and I prepared as best as I could. Amen.

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          • Lynda from rual Maine says:

            Rick, you are right, I live in rual Maine, since this recession people are going back to wood and living more sensible. with all the complaining I hear I often notice that there are a lot of poor rich people. The big proble is most people really do not understand just what the rest of the world goes throgh for food and clean water on an average day. Also since the downturn in the economy we have started to barder again.My county is suppose to be the poorest county in Maine. However, when I go shopping in our one grocery store in Machias I see all nice cars. I’m thinking there is a lot of working off the books going on. Mostly seasonal work here. Blueberries, wreaths, wood, hunting, clamming, losbtering, etc.ect.
            It is my belief that all that is going on now is part of a plan. We are deep in the negative part of that plan. For all who are down,like I get sometimes, remember, read back in history. Things get bad, real bad and dark, but then the LIGHT come through, and GOOD wins always.
            For now there is a little more suffering and pain.
            Rev Ike, do not be ashamed of your blessing. There is nothing wrong with having money as long as it is not ill gotten gain.

            stayed prayed up and keep prepping. I do not post much.
            But I visit this everyday.

            Good work Mac. Hi Daisy and Claynation, prepared pastor.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            I agree, Rick. Fact is, if we have a loving family and can keep them fed, warm, healthy, and happy, THEN we are rich regardless of what else we may have.

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    15. Iowa says:

      Whatever happens, God reigns.

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    16. copperhead says:

      “The problems we face today exist because the people who WORK for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living”
      Author unknown

      This is why our government cater’s to VOTING group, because they are the one’s who keep them in power.
      The working man is nothing more than their source of money, to keep the non-producers happy.

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      • John W. says:

        This country simply cannot generate enough wages anymore to pay our way. All the outsourcing and mass immigration have taken their toll. Now with the boomers retiring by the millions the wage base is even smaller plus they will all be drawing SS. There is no way this can end well and if I were Romney I might just be real happy to lose. A second term of Obama will be the death of the US as he will pull out all stops to destroy our way of life.

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          JW
          Sort of an “Eat Shit or Go Blind” type of deal, or as they say now “Lose/Lose”.
          You forget that we are in a proxy war with the Russians in Syria too….and the hits just keep coming!

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          • John W. says:

            Rev.Ike,
            I am one of those who never believed that the cold war ended. The Soviets merely changed tactics. We fell for it because we are not a serious society and have the attention span of a knat. The fact that our schools, unions,govt.and media are heavily populated by those who hate the country has not helped. Our insane immigration policies are just the frosting on the cake.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          The good news about us so-called Boomers retiring is that younger folks are getting the jobs that we left behind. In a lot of cases, 2-3 of them get hired to take our places. This happened with both my wife and myself. No thanks for making those jobs available are necessary. ;-)

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        • Be informed says:

          @ John W. I cannot stand shyster romney, he is just one notch above BO, and BO is awful. So that makes him just above awful, which would be terrible. What you say is classic though and well put, I would not want to be the leader of the sinking ship that is the U.S. either It may well be the loser of the election is the winner. It is kind of like a coach taking over a really terrible team, it is not fun getting the crap kicked out of you everytime you play. This election is ridiculous and the sooner it is over the better. Those whom prepare are going to be the ones most able to weather the storm that is coming, and does it ever look ominous on the horizon.

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          • John W. says:

            I will give Romney credit though in that he has stated he will be a one term president. He staed that was because with the actions he will have to take to try and straighten things out a second term will not happen. If in fact he said that then he is one of the only honest men that have ever run for president. I guarantee oObamas second term will be the destruction of the country. The EPA is just waiting to shut down the rest of the coal fired power plants. That is just one of the insane policies that are on hold until after the election. Say what you will about Romney but he would never do a stupid,destructive action like that.

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          • AnonLegion says:

            The only looser this election will be we the people.

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      • Iixsive says:

        Damn straight!

        the Watcher

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      • disector284 says:

        Well said. I just posted as a reply to DK and stated the same thing. I guess mine was the long wordy version. Your was right to the point! well stated.

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    17. Refreshing says:

      This may sound terrible but I am excited for the extiction of useless Americans. These are the people that rack up credit card debt buying the newest iPhones and TV’s, the people who sit and text all day at work then whine about not making enough, the people who spend their EBT cards on cigarettes and junkfood, the people who waste there lives eating to much and not exercising enough, the people who use the ER as their normal physician because they know the rest of us will pay for their bills through taxes.

      When SHTF these people will not make it and America will slowly seem more and more like the good old days.

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    18. Anonymous says:

      HELL, it’s just getting fun. Don’t miss the test.

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    19. Iowa says:

      Mac,

      My 2 favorite songs for a few years now…

      Aaron Lewis – Country Boy
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQzw_Ax8Cw

      Hank Williams Jr – A Country Boy Can Survive
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gKlBGjDbfI

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    20. Stef says:

      It’s all about race. We are being displaced, replaced, disposessed. As long as people will not find the courage to address the racial issue, there will be nothing but a downhill ride to hell.

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      • John W. says:

        The entire Western World by design is having it’s white population replaced. It is being done peacefully now but when the demographics shift enough other quicker methods will be used to accomplish the goal. We are comlicit in our own destruction.

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        • Melvin says:

          The apologist crowd will shit all over themselves when they realize that “tolerance” is named after a street–One Way.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          “We are comlicit in our own destruction.”

          If we are stupid enough to do this, then we probably deserve to die out.

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          • Stef says:

            Truth is: most people are and will be sheeple. They are easily manipulated into believing just about anything. And as long as thos who seek our destruction will control the propaganda machine, we cannot count on the majority of our brethrens to do anything about it. Somebody, I cant remeber who, said “World history is made by minorities when this minority of number embodies a majority of will and determination.” And he was right on that too.

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        • eeder says:

          when you fall for romanism, this will be your outcome.

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        • MXLord327 says:

          Blond haired, blue-eyed white people will be an endangered species soon.

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    21. Watchdog says:

      I see it all over the place. Stores, malls and even traffic. Some are waking up and some don’t have a clue. Costco was selling Mountain House Freeze Dried food nearby, then stopped. I asked them why, and they said people just don’t get it….. They just don’t.

      People please prepare. I am trying my best to feel around my neighbors and educate them, but to no avail.

      Being a small business contractor I have many ideas just from what I hear, and it sure will be ugly.

      Buy lead and lots of it, because soon you won’t be able to, and maybe for months or years to come.

      Other that that: #10 cans, flour, seeds, batteries, water, gasoline and silver.

      God bless, and hopefully someday we can point each other out.

      In truth.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        “God bless, and hopefully someday we can point each other out.”

        Indeed so, Watchdog. This will be rather easy, since we will be the ones who are still alive. If the coming s**t-storm is half as bad as many believe, only those who are prepared will have any chance at all.

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      • possee says:

        Watchdog

        Folks in my area..forget it..well manicured lawns..new suv..new patriots or red sox apparel..buying their kids Nike or Jordans @ 100+ per pair are the norm here.

        When I shop on an almost daily basis..I make it a point to see what others are loading their carts with..amazing..
        Preprocessed boxed junk..cases upon cases of soda..and usually 30 or 40 bucks worth of deli meats/cheese at $10 per pound..with a brood of over weight brats in tow..all with their newest cell phones rabidly texting.

        I’ll arrive at the checkout with a case of Ball jars..dried beans,canned goods,coffee,assorted fresh veges, sardines,tp.all on sale etc etc..and the looks I get are priceless..

        Comments are usually..”that’s a lot of beans sir”..My response..”yeah..all for my chile charity fundraiser at work..”

        Case closed..

        I am a chef by trade so always watch prices..tuna and sardines have jumped 50% or more in the last few weeks here..and fresh chicken..legs, thighs or whole is now at 1.79 pound or higher..grabbed a bunch of whole roasters on sale for 99/#..perfect for canning soups.stews etc..

        If you’re ever on Cape Cod..you’ll recognize me at the local stop and shop..

        possee

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        • Watchdog says:

          Possee,

          like I said, those knuckle heads don’t have a clue.
          I just feel sorry for the young and disabled though the upcoming storm.
          The coming storm will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

          I earned my lesson early in life, and I will make sure to look you up if I am ever on Cape Cod.

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “The coming storm will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.”

            Unless we are VERY lucky, the coming storm could make 1932 look like a walk in the park.

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      • VRF says:

        noticed the same about my Costco too, it was the best deal around for the storeable food source, and now they dont have it anymore.

        One day I bought two boxes, and the lady asked why we buy it, I told her we had a cabin out in the woods up north and sometimes we get snowed in, so it was contingency food..her reply was the boxed survival food scared her, I said the impication that the fact we might need it some day and you dont have any, should scare you more, I winked and walked out

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        • VRF says:

          sorry it was Auguson Farms 1 month packs they had not MH

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        • BadAmerican says:

          @VRF:

          Sir, try costco online….good selection plus free shipping

          …be safe…stay the course….BA.

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          • VRF says:

            Yep, been checking that out, they seem to have stopped carying the 1 month pack , at least near me , The Auguson Farms product ..and its not in the flier I got from them, I will dig deeper on the web site to see..

            I got em at a hell of a cost savings from what Ive been seeing on line on other than Costco site.. about 75$ cheaper

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          • KY Mom says:

            Sam’s Club sells the Auguson Farms food. On the package deals for 3 months food or larger, they offer free shipping. (The 3 month pkg. for 2 people is $499 with free shipping.)

            Smaller items or bundles are shipped to your home or ship free to the store and you pick up there.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          I have considered the attitude that this lady has many times and my conclusion is that to some folks, preparing for disaster means recognizing that it is a possibility in their life. To be safe, happy, and comfy, they must, at all costs, avoid considering such things as being possible. This is unfortunate but not at all uncommon.

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    22. ScoutMotto says:

      I wish I had a group to join. I have several ways I can contribute resources.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Scoutmotto: Check the American Prepper Network to find a group close to you. Where are you anyway?

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      • Facebook Page says:

        If you do not find a group. Survive the death of what is coming. Then you will see prepper popping there heads up. Be quick to check them out. You might just be surprise who on your street is sitting out front ready to rumble.

        Nice thing about this plan is the arm chairs will be weeded out quick. And the one that it come naturally to will show their stuff.

        True “Groups” take years if not more to form. Yes family is a good start. But sometimes you are just on your own. Maybe you know who will wake up late and can trust. Doing some prep for them. Extra gun ammo pack and knife. There a grateful and helpful asset you just created.

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        • 41MagMan says:

          Gratitude can disappear faster than it was created. A few days with an empty belly is usually enough to dissipate it unless there is a strong relationship that has built over the years. Old friends are better than new friends and new friends are better than no friends at all. Just watch your back until you’ve made it through some serious crap together.

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          • don't tread says:

            As I read your statement I couldn’t help but envision a hungry person staring at their friend and seeing them as a big roasted juicy turkey on a platter.

            In an episode of Seinfield where Kramer had been on this fasting/cleansing thing for a while and was about to starve, he saw his chubby mailman-Newman, as a fat little roasted turkey on a platter and was chasing him. Funny shit.

            On the sour note, I could see how some will get so desperate that they will resort to cannibalism.

            “Yea, come on over, we’d like to have you for dinner”.

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    23. Casey Jr. says:

      I wonder, Norse if you could specify the example from history which gives you the idea that, “When the dust settles we will emerge as great and free nation”? Much as I love what the US once stood for, I know of no nation which has done what we have done and risen again to be as good or better than it once was. When we no longer have the global power we do today, it will be ugly everywhere. The truth of history is that we (as in my generation) were bequeathed a rare moment in the history of the world when Liberty was the norm. It has been squandered and, should the Lord tarry, it likely will be centuries before it reappears.
      A remnant will survive but the dimly flickering lamp of Liberty is about to be extinguished on the face of the Earth.

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      • Rick:) says:

        There are enough of us who get it. We are not completely blinded, as the masses, to be led into socialism.
        We may be stuck in the system, but at least we recognize it for what it is. It’s a trap. Don’t take the bait!
        But we’ve had a taste of it,freedom, and remember the blueprint.
        I love it! I love watching the events of the entire world in real time. It’s like a series of real time experiments going on,all at once, and we get to watch.

        Enjoy the show, we are blessed.

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      • Mad Max says:

        Casey jr.

        Well if ya look at history as a guide, there’s nothing in the record to suggest we’re gonna rise to glory again.
        Every empire collapsed and broke up and none regained there former greatness.
        I reckon we’ll be no different.

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        • don't tread says:

          There is one exception to that rule of thumb. It’s called the Holy Roman Empire. Since their beginnings about 800 AD, they have been a dominate force as an empire. It was and is still an evil empire. What other empire has God referred to as “The Great Whore”? Just because they have been somewhat dormant since the 1800′s, they have been working/murdering and controlling nations/empires/religions in the shadows. It’s all in text and can be researched by anyone. Just ask eeder if you want some enlightenment on TPTB, which by the way are really calling the shots. Speaking of calling the shots, the story goes that the hit on JFK was organized by a NYC cardinal. I don’t know anything but God knows everything.

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    24. tishie says:

      @ Don’t tread

      Thank You for putting into words my sentiments.

      These are still the “Good Ol Days.”

      My bones scream PREPARE! My family and friends just smirk. If I’m wrong I’ll smirk along side of them…………, but If I’m right, we’re screwed. I have prepared as best as possible without disrupting their present lifestyles.

      I LIVE to help others and to laugh a lot. I PRAY that we all wake accordingly and learn to live for today. I am GRATEFUL for sites such as this to keep me focused on possibilities.

      Thanks for listening

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    25. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Those who fail to prep, prep to fail.

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    26. braveheart says:

      Norse Prepper. thamk you for the article; couldn’t have said it better. Rev. Ike,you brought back some memories for me with those posts on South Florida cuisine; there’s no other cuisine like it. BTW, did you see my response to your question at the drones article? Refreshing, although you’re right about what will happen to the nonpreppers, i don’t wish for anything bad to happen to anybody. Stef, you are wrong about it being about race. In post-SHTF, all the issues we have now, INCLUDING RACE, will be gone. SURVIVAL KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES! i was in Sam’s Club earlier this week and noticed more people than usual stocking up on certain survival items. Some people in my area are waking up and know something serious is coming; good for them. I’m still working on “One Second After”; I’m on Chapter 8 now; very hard to put down. Going shopping again this weekend. best wishes to all and keep prepping. braveheart

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        Braveheart. How is stef wrong?…If I read here correctly, she saying Now it is all due to anti white racial stuf. That is 100% true.

        What you said…After or post shtf it wil be this or that way etc…How do you know for certain what will or wont be in future tence?….Sorry but stef is right as rain. But you can only hope or wish it to be so in any future scenarios. Thats based on emotional not reality.

        Casy jr I agree with also. History if any indicator says we Wont emerge from our cocoons like a new buterfly and all is swell.

        I think this time around is the Final go round. Once it goes bad(if it does) aint nobody anywheres will again be what we today call normal etc. Weather or not such a future will be better?…Nobody now can say as it aint here as yet. If nukes are used?….I think death will be preferable. So far nobody gets out of it alive anyways no matter what we prep or do.

        If you cant see how anti white racial agendas are in full swing today?…I cant understand that mindset.

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        • Melvin says:

          To deny that an anti-white agenda is in full swing is to deny reality. Watch how non-whites act and ask yourself how “tolerant” they will be if they rise to a position of dominance. Whites are the only race that doesn’t put it’s own kind first and foremost. This is a recent development, occurring as we have become fat & happy.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        ” I’m still working on “One Second After”; I’m on Chapter 8 now; very hard to put down.”

        That is a great book! Terrifying, but great.

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    27. Kevin2 says:

      As technology increases the standard of living should continuously rise baring a natural calamity, war or the deeds of greedy men.

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    28. JustOneGuy says:

      On topic today,

      Not too long ago I stumbled over an analysis by an ‘Economist’, specifically, one whose specialty lay in Complex Systems Analysis. Yes, I lknow, ‘Economist!’… like there’s any particular discipline which knows less about what it purports to study, yet…
      The article – in pdf form – is long at 77 pages and truly not for the faint-hearted, the title is ‘Tradeoff.pdf’,; given it’s recent appearance on the Web a simple google seach on the title would probably locate it directly… I have picked up so much lately that I don’t recall exactly where I originally sourced it from, possibly, ZeroHedge?
      Anyway, like I said, the thing is tough to get through and I recommemnd anyone attempting to do so pay cloase attention to the first 30 pages in particular as it is there-through that the terminology he uses is laid down.
      Having said all that, the gist of the analysis he puts forth says that the awesome complexity of how the current financial system functions in addition to our reliance on the “JIT” -Just-in-Time- model for civilization’s logistical processes are critically sensitive to so many things, scenario’s that stability in same is a pipe-dream (My words, not his). I sat down with this and went through it cover to cover 5 times and I couldn’t find even a single flaw in his reasoning. The analysis is impeccable…and terrifying. I know a lot of people won’t bother with something like this…who’s got the time nowadays? Those of you who have such an inclination though, after having went through it, might well ‘see the future’ so to speak. Suffice it for now to say that it dovetail’s with this article exactly on so many points. Again, it’s the complexity of the system that is going to be our downfall and in his estimation the speed with which that could happen is astonishing.
      A good night to all,
      “May the Lord Bless and Keep us, His Children, everyone of us. Amen.”

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      • 41MagMan says:

        JOG… a Google search turned up MANY hits that were not the article you mention. The one that I think you are referring to is a 78 page PDF file at:

        http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36883.html

        Looks like a good read and I will do so ASAP. Thanks for the ref. :-)

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        • JustOneGy says:

          Thanks!
          Like most, I suspect, things are just coming too fast lately for me to keep adequate track of. It doesn’t help that once you’re ‘Getting On’ so to speak it gets a LITTLE harder! You got it though, it’s the 78 page pdf.
          What’s particularly disconcerting is that the author isn’t playing with some far-off abstract scenario, instead the body of the piece is based on circumstances HERE and NOW, current and recent events. Good luck on the read; I reiterate, the first 30 pages – though a bit dry -are the key to seeing into his analysis. I screwed up the first time through and didn’t ground myself in his terms sufficently well in the first pass…couldn’t begin to get a handle on the second part at all. ‘Just goes to show ya’ there’s never time to do it right…but there’s always time to do it OVER:(…

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      • disector284 says:

        Is this it or one of the links inside here could be it.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics

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    29. Be informed says:

      Thank you for contributing to the site again. Your articles that you write are always interesting. Like I have been saying, the financial markets all have a ceiling, and when that top is reached, the only way is down. The higher something is up, the more velocity it cascades down, and the harder the hit when it does slam in the jagged rocks below.

      About preparing, I was thinking about something about the Middle East. Israel doesn’t have to launch an attack during the darkest part of the sky. If they are arrorgant enough they could attack anytime before Nov.6. Maybe they don’t care about risking their pilots, or they just know that they can handle a more moonlit sky. I honestly don’t know what is going through the minds over there. In any case on June 2, 1981 there was a new moon, and 5 days on June 7, 1981, Israel took out the Iraqi nuclear reactor.

      This is something to think about as tomorrow is 5 days after a new moon. It is likely that it will be absolutely terrible WHEN war breaks out over there. Those that have planned ahead and stored what they need, they will fare so much better. I still think that everyone that can afford it should consider an electric generator and enough fuel to run it intermittently for at least a week. There is so much that runs off electricity and that we depend so heavily on. At least the transaction to much more primitive times will be less difficult to ease into.

      Even if all hell doesn’t break loose after the war starts over there, the mere fear of gas storages will be catastrophic in this country. The 1970′s are nothing in comparison IF Iran targets Saudi, Iraqi, Kuwaiti, and other oil producing nations oil fields. Everyone should try to keep their car’s tank topped off as much as possible on top of having some fuel stored. Always of course storage of fuel in safe containers in safe locations.

      It is coming from somewhere, or from many different scenarioes. I just don’t see why much, much more of the population is not going out and storing up. I do see an influx of more people buying up supplies, but nothing like it should be. It is pathetic how bare people’s cupboards and pantries are. How much money is spent on worthless junk that will serve absolutely no purpose after whatever collapse is coming, just taking up space. Thankfully there are still people out there that take planning for a much less than stable future, quite seriously. Again nice article.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        BI,
        We all seem to assume that if Israel strikes, it will come via fighter/bombers. F-15&16′s I believe. I know that they have subs, but do they have mid-range missles?

        If so they would solve both the distance and air defense problems.

        Add to that the proxy war between NATO and the SCO in Syria.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Rev. Ike. I just know that when certain countries hold an ace in the hole, like Israel does before Nov. 6, it would seem that they would take advantage of it. This of course is an assumption on my part that they would not just throw away that advantage that they will lose after Nov. 6. After this day, either winner of the presidental race is under no obligation to help the jews attack the persians. The leaders of Israel you would think would not just trash their ace in the hole and would attack. After Nov. 6 they have no cards to fall back on.

          It is not right or wrong issue here, it only matters to me the consequences of the actions of these so called leaders. I wish I knew the future, but one can only make speculated guesses about what leaders will do. I just can’t see any leader throwing away an advantage that israel has over the U.S. before Nov. 6. They need the U.S. to finish off what is left after they attack. We shall see, but WHEN it does happen, I hope everyone out there takes the short “shock” period before the food, fuel, and supplies runs begins to take advantage themselves of getting the extra necessary supplies they need to survive the very tough times after this.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            I’m sounds right to me. Another thing to consider is that they are reading the polls and are waiting for Romney to help them.
            I don’t know too much about Mormons, but Glen Beck is a strong supporter of Israel, so maybe all Mormons are?

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          • Anton Hackl says:

            @ B.I.

            That window of time per your “short shock” period is likely to be a very narrow one indeed!

            Many may think we’ll have a few days to, fill in the blanks.
            Yet in truth, all it would take is an ‘activation’ of a few executive orders, per the regime in DC & suddenly your window is measured in hours or minutes.

            Do not allow yourself to be boxed in by events & the decisions of others, which will be fraught with untold unintended consequences.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Rev Ike: It is likely that an Israeli sub is sitting at the bottom of the Persian Gulf right now loaded with 500 cruise missiles, perhaps two or three missiles loaded with a nuke warhead capable of some localized EMP’s.

          I say three. Iran is a big country.

          While jets and reconfigured airliners (drones) filled with high explosive nano thermalite, (think (911) will be part of the attack; it is likely that surprise will be created by the sub(s).

          While a pre-election strike is possible, the key is that the Israelis want US to do their dirty work. Once it becomes apparent WE will not, they will do it themselves, whenever.

          Right now, the game is to eliminate Syria as a threat, and hobble Hezbollah if possible. that strategy is good, but not working well.

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          • eeder says:

            its the jesuits who get the israelis to do their dirty work. and than the isrealis get the yankees to do their dirty work. the jesuits HATE jews. they hate protestants too.

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          • Rev. Ike says:

            I look at it from a larger view. A crash is coming in Europe, right? We proved that the best way to invade Europe is from the South in WW II. With both Syria and Libya being on the Med, were the Russians planning a future end run to bypass NATO in Germany? Sort of like what Hitler did by attacking France tru Belgium?

            The Russians do have a very large base in Syria and Libya would make a great staging area for an invasion of Italy or Spain, say in 5-10 year when The U.S. is too poor to defend Europe.

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          • eeder says:

            rev, you are complicating things uneccesarily. these thugs are on the way out. youre falling for the jesuits complications which in the end will bite you.

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        • Gregory8 says:

          Rev.Ike: Isreal has the Jericho II and III missles capable of delivering nuclear warheads 3-5,000 miles away. All Isreal has to do is tell Iran in no uncertain terms that ANY nuclear attack/dirty bomb from Iran’s surrogates, Hezbollah,Hamas,or anyone else, will be considered a direct attack from Iran itself and will receive a full nuclear reprisal-PERIOD. Isreal has between 200-300 nuclear warheads, so who do you think is going to be the biggest loser in this? After the radiation dies down, the Iraqis, Pakastanis, and the Kurds can then come in and claim what’s left.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Gregory8: Israel will not allow any foe to possess nuclear capability. Period. Israeli is a small nation. In an Iranian First Strike or a First Strike by Hezbollah, many thousands of missiles will be fired at Israel.

            Even with their Iron Dome technology, the Israeli’s will not be able to shoot them all down. Israel would be devastated by a First Strike, which is why they are going to strike first.

            Israeli intelligence within both Iran and Lebanon is excellent. And you are right, Iran will be piece mealed too.

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      • 41MagMan says:

        A generator will provide some short-term electrical power, which is good, but a small solar-electric system with a few golf cart batteries will supply power for at least several years. Having the ability to recharge radio and flash light batteries would be good, as would having some 12v RV type lighting and appliances.

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        • VRF says:

          definetly, also to add, an RV voltage converter is a great tool to add to your preps, and understand how to use it, it will take your 12 volt solar powered batteries to 110 volt power, fairly inexpensively

          I have been looking for a cheap 20′ RV trailer to set up as a secondary hole up, just in case for some stand by living arrangements, and an out post if needed, load the roof with solar panels and the necessary batteries..might get you by for a year or more

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          • 41MagMan says:

            “I have been looking for a cheap 20′ RV trailer to set up as a secondary hole up, just in case for some stand by living arrangements, and an out post if needed…”

            Good plan. I have seen some videos on YouTube where people have converted steel shipping containers into cabins in the woods. Some of them look pretty decent too.

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      • BI, i got your email. can you shoot me an exact copy of the text you re trying to submit? i want to give it a shot from my end. Also, you wouldnt happen to have an email addy/hushmail acct would you?

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        • Be informed says:

          Mac, I have tried leaving the name I go by out, I have tried several times to send this to your contact us part of the site in which it just won’t go through. I have tried on several different articles to send it, and I keep getting that 404 error message. To send it via-e-mail, I am exstremely worried that they (whomever doesn’t even want you to see it) would infect my computer with some super virus that go by the Norton Anti-Virus protection like it was not even there. I swear to you, I have tried and tried to send it and someone doesn’t want it to get through. I will try something different to your contact us and see if I can get part of it through to you. This is freaking me out.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        What is honestly going thru their minds?…SNAKES!!! Vile evil Poison Viper Snakes is what!

        Perhaps that tay-sachs disease that Only khazer people get is what is the main cause of their totally phsycotic paraniod,skitzo, whacko, loonybin agendas?

        No joke! No other group or race gets that disease except khazers….If both spouses are khazer decendants, on avg 1 out of every 4 offspring is born normal. 1 will die off by age 3yrs old. And the other 2 kids will be carriers to pass on that disease.(or something close to that)

        It is some type Nerve/Brain type disease. I aint a doctor so dont know high tech words to describe it. I do know its real though. Being as many as 95% todays jews are khazers, and Only khazers gets it…Perhaps they really are whacked out Phsyco schizos who think they seen a nazi behind each blade of grass!…..Even there in isreal!!

        Oyvey! nazis! here-there-Everyfuckinwheres!!!!

        Add in worse “Me Victim” class than even african blacks are like!….You got a real physco whacked paranoid bunch for certain!

        Personally I’m more concerned for america since we got more of them located Here than live there in isreal!….Now Thats scarry!

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          Who was the First Jew?
          John Standring
          We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist, but who was the first Jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called Jew. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jew. In fact you will not find the word Jew in the first eleven books of the Bible. The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drave the Jews from Elath. Isn’t it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can’t find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written? Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN”. We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17:5, and that He changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32:28, but nowhere in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

          By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn’t until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first “Jews” were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel.

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          • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

            Lets let one of their Own, a Jewish Man tell us shall we.

            Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York says:

            “The Holocaust has proven to be an indispensable ideological weapon. Through its deployment, one of the world’s most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, has cast itself as a ‘victim’ state, and the most successful ethnic group in the United States has likewise acquired victim status. Considerable benefits accrue to this specious victimhood – in particular, immunity to criticism, however justified” (Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry (2000) published by Verso, p. 3).

            In other words, Finkelstein exposes the HYPOCRISY.

            Some further quotes:

            “In an authoritative study, Leonard Dinnerstein reported: Sixty thousand Jews . . . walked out of the concentration camps. Within a week more than 20,000 of them had died.” But ‘As it entered into negotiations with Germany [just two years ago, in 1999], the Holocaust industry demanded compensation for 135,000 still living former (camp inmates).’

            On page 83 he notes that ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of “living Holocaust survivors” at nearly a million.’ Finkelstein exposes the LIES.

            On page 127 he further notes ‘If 135,000 former Jewish slave laborers are still alive today, some 600,000 must have survived the war. That’s at least a half-million more than standard estimates. . . If Jews only constituted 20% of the surviving camp population and, as the Holocaust industry implies, 600,000 Jewish inmates survived the war, then fully 3 million inmates in total must have survived. By the Holocaust industry’s reckoning, concentration camp conditions couldn’t have been that harsh at all; in fact, one must suppose a remarkably high fertility and remarkably low mortality rate. . . If, as the Holocaust industry suggests, many hundreds of thousands of Jews survived, the Final Solution couldn’t have been so efficient after all – exactly what Holocaust deniers argue” (pp. 127-8).

            “Both my father and my mother were survivors of the Warsaw ghetto and the Nazi concentration camps. . . One of my father’s lifelong friends was a former inmate with him in Auschwitz, a seemingly incorruptible left-wing idealist who on principle refused German compensation after the war. Eventually he became a director of the Israeli Holocaust museum, Yad Vashem. Reluctantly and with genuine disappointment, my father finally admitted that even this man had been corrupted by the Holocaust industry, tailoring his beliefs for power and profit. As the rendering of the Holocaust assumed ever more absurd forms, my mother liked to quote (with intentional irony) Henry Ford: “History is bunk.” (ibid. p. 7).

            “The Holocaust proved to be the perfect weapon for deflecting criticism of Israel” (ibid p. 30).

            “Much of the literature on Hitler’s Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud.” (p. 55).

            “Given the nonsense that is turned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is that there are so few skeptics”. (p. 68).

            “Annual Days of Remembrance of the Holocaust are a national event. All 50 states sponsor commemorations, often in state legislative chambers. . . Seven major Holocaust museums dot the American landscape. The centerpiece of this memorialization is the United States Holocaust museum in Washington. . . [This] museum’s annual budget is $50 million, of which $30 million is federally subsidized.” (p. 72). (This is in spite of the fact that, as he points out on page 32, per capita Jewish income in the US is almost double that of non-Jews).

            “With a reelection campaign looming, Jimmy Carter initiated the [US Holocaust Museum] project to placate Jewish contributors and voters, galled by the president’s recognition of the “legitimate rights” of Palestinians.’ (p. 73).

            Finkelstein exposes the SWINDLE, a word formerly most often associated with Jews.

            “The Holocaust may yet turn out to be the “greatest robbery in the history of mankind”. . . The Holocaust industry has clearly gone berserk.” (p. 138-9).

            Is this evaluation fair?

            Have a look at a typical account by one of the seemingly endless number of survivors: Olga Lengyel’s Five Chimneys: a woman survivor’s true story of Auschwitz (Granada/Ziff-Davis, 1947, 1972).

            Lengyel says:

            “After June, 1943, the gas chamber was reserved exclusively for Jews and Gypsies. . . Three hundred and sixty corpses every half-hour, which was all the time it took to reduce human flesh to ashes, made 720 per hour, or 17,280 corpses per twenty-four hour shift. And the ovens, with murderous efficiency, functioned day and night. However, one must also reckon the death pits, which could destroy another 8,000 cadavers a day. In round numbers, about 24,000 corpses were handled each day. An admirable production record, one that speaks well for German industry.” (Paperback edition, pp. 80-81). [No trace of any remains of or in ‘death pits’ has been found.]

            This implies almost 100,000 corpses per four working days, or a million in 40 days, or six million in 240 days (eight months).

            Could this claim be a misprint?

            LETS GET A SCIENTIST TO DIG FOR EVIDENCE OF MASS GRAVES!!

            If we assume a minimum figure of 200,000 per day, this amounts to say one million over a five-day working week, or 6 million in six weeks, and this does not include the truly awe-inspiring claims for Auschwitz put forward by Hart and Lengyel with Gilbert’s blessing.

            A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground penetrating radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.

            For six days in October 1999, an Australian team headed by Richard Krege, a qualified electronics engineer, carried out an examination of the soil at the site of the former Treblinka II camp in Poland, where, Holocaust historians say, more than half a million Jews were put to death in gas chambers and then buried in mass graves.

            According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1997), for example, “a total of 870,000 people” were killed and buried at Treblinka between July 1942 and April 1943. Then, between April and July 1943, the hundreds of thousands of corpses were allegedly dug up and burned in batches of 2,000 or 2,500 on large grids made of railway ties.

            Krege’s team used an $80,000 Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) device, which sends out vertical radar signals that are visible on a computer monitor. GPR detects any large-scale disturbances in the soil structure to a normal effective depth of four or five meters, and sometimes up to ten meters. (GPR devices are routinely used around the world by geologists, archeologists, and police.) In its Treblinka investigation, Krege’s team also carried out visual soil inspections, and used an auger to take numerous soil core samples.

            The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes.

            “From these scans we could clearly identify the largely undisturbed horizontal stratigraphic layering, better known as horizons, of the soil under the camp site,” says the 30-year old Krege, who lives in Canberra. “We know from scans of grave sites, and other sites with known soil disturbances, such as quarries, when this natural layering is massively disrupted or missing altogether.” Because normal geological processes are very slow acting, disruption of the soil structure would have been detectable even after 60 years, Krege noted.

            “Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp’s use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed,” he says. “Personally, I don’t think there was a mass extermination camp there at all.”

            Krege prepared a detailed report on his Treblinka investigation. He says that he would welcome the formation, possibly under United Nations auspices, of an international team of neutral, qualified specialists, to carry out similar investigations at the sites of all the wartime German camps.

            (Sources: “‘Vernichtungslager’ Treblinka: archaelogisch betrachtet,” by Ing. Richard Krege, in Vierteljarhreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, June 2000 [4. Jg., Heft 1], pp. 62-64; “‘No Jewish mass grave’ in Poland,” The Canberra Times, January 24, 2000, p. 6; “Poland’s Jews ‘not buried at Treblinka’,” The Examiner [Australia], Jan. 24, 2000. Information provided by Richard Krege; M. Weber and A. Allen, “Treblinka,” The Journal of Historical Review, Summer 1992, pp. 133-158; Y. Arad, “Treblinka,” in I. Gutman, ed., Encyclopedia of the Holocaust [New York: 1997], pp. 1481-1488.)

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          • don't tread says:

            @
            AM

            It is very simple to understand who the first “Jew” was.
            You see, in biblical times, when Jacob had his 12 sons, they were to, and did, become the twelve tribes of Israel. His son Judah, had his tribe and the area that they settled became known as Judea. Anyone living within Judea became known as Jews. The Jews were called as such by their homeland or geographical living area, not as to describe their religion. It then starts to get really disturbing as other peoples move into the area of Judea and begin calling themselves Jews.

            When the Kenites, which were originally known as from the “sons of Cain” moved in and started taking on liturgical duties of the Priests. They infilterated the synagogues and were given the titles of scribes and some Pharisees. They wore robes and elevated themselves as Jewish Priests

            This is how sly,slick and deceptive Satan is. He had his own in the mix and they began changing laws/customs/statutes,etc. That is why God made the statement: “…[I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.”

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          • don't tread says:

            Just to add; much of the translations into the KJV were over-simplified or just out of ignorance, used from the old manuscripts as best as they could at the time.

            In many cases throughout the KJV Bible, the word Jew was used in place of Israelite. Much of this has to do with the fact that 10 of the 12 tribes were scattered as they traveled across the Caucus Mountains with Jeremiah.
            The tribes of Judah and Levi along with he infilteraters, were left in the Land of Israel and went further south. Because they were looked at as one tribe,being primarily and originally, from the land of Judea, they were called and referred to as Jews.

            Later that same group of Jews, that were Christians, started splintering off and took on varying forms of Judism and separated themselves from the Israelites and Christianity. I’m sure you can find a thousand different explanations and theological discussions about the Jews and how they came to be and etc,etc,etc. Even the term “Semite” going back to Noah’s son, Shem. It gets intertwined and confusing.

            What really matters is that God hasn’t lost anyone. He knows were all the descendants of the twelve tribes are and who each and everyone is. He also knows who the true Jewish peoples are that descended from Judah. He will reunite them as “one stick” in his hand when the time has come, as foretold in Ezekiel 37.

            Ya’ll have a blessed day!

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          • don't tread says:

            One more thing, I promise I’m done. The Jewish people are not a race. They were of the tribes of Israel, the sons of Jacob. And Jacob being the son of Isaac,and Isaac being the son of Abraham.

            Abraham was not “dark skinned”. He was from the geneology all the way to Adam. “Adamic” peoples were lighter skinned peoples and the word meant “descendants of Adam and to show blood in the face”. A lady that I have biblical discussions with said that all jews were dark skinned. It pissed her off when I laughed out loud.
            She has fallen into that lie and misconceptive trap because of watching the palestinians(philistines) on CNN. After the 10 tribes crossed the Caucus Mtns. and settled throughout eastern Europe, they were referred to as “Caucasians”. Haven’t seen any dark skinned caucasians lately. Some intermixed and are self-labeled
            as caucasians, but that’s different.

            Jews are not a separate race of people. Some are mixed and some are implants/imposters, but the true jewish peoples came from Jacob, a white(slightly olived skinned maybe) man. Jacob did have different wives and the twelve had differences as relatative to their mothers, but they were still considered “Adamic” peoples until they became known as Israelites.

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      • don't tread says:

        Absolutely, dead on, BI.

        HOW MUCH IS SPENT ON WORTHLESS, junk?

        It pisses me off when people go overboard with decorations for Halloween/thanksgiving(not as much)/Christmas/Easter. They buy into the hype and self-serving attitude of spending hard earned $$ for Chinese plastics and trying to “light up the world” with strings of lights that only create “ooohs and aawwwhs” for a fleeting moment while children slowly starve to death somewhwere and the only people truly celebrating are those, in power, who control power and create power/energy/electricity. Taking that $$ all the way to their offshore bank accounts.

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        • jayjay says:

          dont tread…I don’t decorate. I have never had children, and a few years early in my marriage, I had a Christmas tree, but not recently.
          I do see as you do, a terrible waste in decorating.
          I too see it as a sin to go overboard when we have many families barely eating and heating their homes.
          Years ago, we were stimulating the economy, but for decades, we have only been stimulating China.
          Enough already. I am no more anti-Christmas, Easter, Halloween, or Thanksgiving than anyone.
          ONe of our neighbors decorates every holiday weeks before the actual holiday. Ridiculous; China is laughing at us…all the way to the bank.

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    30. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      Even a 12-year old gets “There is No Eleventh Marble.”

      Victoria Grant – Debt is Money !

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE&feature=player_embedded

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    31. Be informed says:

      @ Norse Prepper. It could be something geophysical that is coming that we all should be getting ready for. The USGS earthquake map is just lighting up, this is just for the past 7 days. Check out the earthquake map, it is impressive. I have not seen it this active in all the different spots in a long time. I am beginning to wonder if it is just one very large earthquake or a couple of them that are coming. It is like a race car powering up its motor before getting ready to take off. Something is brewing under the surface of the planet. Also October is usually a month of increased earthquake activity.

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      • durango kidd says:

        BI: All of the planets are heating up. Its the “expanded planet theory”, like a balloon with air that expands as it is warmed by the sun.

        Eventually the surface cracks.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ durango kidd. I thought the radiocative decay of inside the planet was the driving heat source of the planet’s plates. Please go into more detail about the “Expanded Planet Theory”, I would like to know more. I thought this only had to do with gasous giants such as Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. I didn’t think planet like Mercury and Mars that don’t really have an atmosphere were affected by this. I could see this on Venus because of the massive greenhouse that it has. Wouldn’t the Earth though lose most of the sun’s energy through refraction back to space, especially in the high albedo areas such as the polar regions. Would enjoy your comment on this.

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          • durango kidd says:

            BI: I am not a science guy. Money is my business, but I do read a lot of science because I find it interesting.

            ALL of the planets are warming, even Mars. Scientists don’t know why they just know they are. Maybe it has something to do with OUR position within the Galactic Plane.

            The sun has also been releasing more energy into the more esoteric magnetic spectrum wavelengths than normal. This energy is absorbed by the earth at the poles and channeled into the metallic core, warming the earth.

            The “expanded planet theory” says that as the earth warms, it expands as some of the energy that is absorbed is converted to matter under the intense pressure at the core.

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        • No.
          There is only one explanation that fits all observed phenomena.

          pipermichael dot wordpress dot com

          Something wicked this way comes…

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      • Norse Prepper says:

        @BI, I’ve been watching it recently per your suggestions and it looks like every fault on Earth is active! I don’t have the history of research that you do to compare it to though. I wonder if all of the built up energy will end up creating a massive earthquake on the New Madrid or San Andreas?

        Casey Jr. Unfortunately I don’t have an example from history, but I believe there also has never been a country like ours in history either. There are still a lot of good people in America with a hard work ethic that will remember “The good old days” and if they have kids or grandchildren I believe they will work very hard to try to provide freedom for them. I think more than any other country in the world we know what a free society can be like and the lifestyle it can provide.

        I guess I am an eternal optimist, but that being said, I can read the writing on the wall. This is going to get real bad before it gets better.

        I guess Germany would be an example of a country which had hyperinflation and is strong today. The big difference is with the economy being so globalistic there is a lot further to fall this time.

        God bless!

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Norse Prepper. The plates are so active it is incredible. When looking at the earthquake map the two small areas of plate boundaries that seem really mega locked are the eastern portions of both the Philippine plate and the Caribbean plate. These two areas are posed for some major. The rest of the plates seem to be in motion, ever so slightly. This energy is being transferred to both the New Madrid and San Andreas. The southern San Andreas is way overdue and ready to break as it did back around 1700, and so did the Cascadia fault up in Washington state did. In 1812 the middle section of the San Andreas broke and so of course did the New Madrid.

          I would again watch the Mid Atlantic Ridge and the Caribbean fault for the New Madrid. For the San Andreas, I would watch the New Madrid, anything major earthquake to the south of the San Andreas and anything major to the north of it such as the Cascadia fault.

          As in the case of Germany, the amount of TNT used against Germany during the entire war, is about what one large hydrogen bomb has. The most powerful non-nuclear weapon used in WW2 was I believe about 5 tons. The most powerful H-bomb is about 100 megatons. That is 100 million tons as opposed to 5 tons in WW2. Most nukes are 150 kilotons to about 1 Megaton. Even at 150 kilotons that is 30000 times more powerful than WW2 explosives. Huge difference and the recovery period after WW3 will likely take decades minimum, and could be centuries. Times will eventually get better, but the time will take magnitudes longer like the magnitudes greater the size of the weapons.

          To tell you the truth what terrifies me the most are not nuclear weapons, it is an Andromeda type killer engineered doomsday virus that one side decides to release. The number one killer of life forms on this planet has not been killer asteroids, super volcanoes, polar shifts, super solar flares, it has been germs. If there is anything short of the planet being torn apart that can make human beings extinct is a virus or bacteria.

          There are some of the worst imaginable viruses that the Soviet Union was working on that could near 100% of the population. North Korea has completely outdated military, but one of the absolute worst bio programs on the planet. Syria also has a wicked bio-weapons program that some say was more advanced than Iraq because of Russian influence. Then there is Iran that gets helps from China. China has probably the third worst bio-weapons behind the Russians and the United States. Biological weapons are a poorman’s nuclear weapon, and much worst than nukes because as look as there is host the death and suffering continues. With a nuke, even the radiation eventually is diluted. With a super virus it could last in human beings in some reserviour for millions of years or longer, or until there were not anymore humans left.

          I also think that nature has this knack of letting a killer plague out naturally on ALL species, plant and animal. It may just be one day something comes out of the slums of India or Bangladesh that is contagious as hell, worst than any flu, and has a near 100% fatality rate and just can’t be stopped with any vaccine or any anti-viral. People just keep underestimating Mother Nature, and again and again Mother Nature shows how powerless we are. This is what worries me the most, germes in war and naturally.

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          • JustOneGy says:

            @ BI,

            I believe that you just hit the nail on the head. We’re already seeing the results of ‘unintended consequences’ in the GMO’s that are are out at this point. Why anyone would belive that we – as yet – have the ability to presage the effects of the genetic manipulations we are so blythely releasing into the world at large is beyond me. WE don’t even begin as yet to understand – analytically – the actions of the most basic protiens…arguably the basis of life itself, and yet we’re introducing new, modified species every day. I think about that line from “Red October” where the Admiral says, “This will get out of hand…This will get out of hand and people WILL die.” Three and a half billion years ‘what-is’ has developed to co-exist in relative balance, the components in relative equilibrium to one another…and some smart-ass from a high end university thinks they can alter ‘just one little piece’ without repercussion…absolute hubris. Satan thought he knew better than his Creator too…Gee, that’s turned out so well thus far. May He have Mercy on us all.

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        • Casey Jr. says:

          @Norse- I hadn’t thought of Germany as an example of survival progressing to prosperity but I sure hope we don’t follow that path:
          On the wrong side in a World War
          hyperinflation, starvation
          electing (!!) a dictator
          on the wrong side of another World War
          divided nation, much of population in virtual slavery
          rescued by us and defended by us to this day
          which is much of the reason they are “prosperous”
          Who will be left to rescue us? Mexico?

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          • Norse Prepper says:

            Casey,

            Agree 100%. We don’t want to end up like Germany during WWII, but wouldn’t mind having their economical prosperity today. Granted, they ship a lot of their money over to socialistic countries, but I don’t believe that will happen for too much longer.

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    32. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      THE AMERIKAN FIAT DOLLAR IS DEAD … only by BULLYING TERRORIZING ROBBING THE WEAKER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD DOES MORMON FREEMASON ZIONIST MAFIA CONTROLLED AMERIKA KEEP THE FIAT DOLLAR ON LIFE SUPPORT !!!

      Got Physical PM’s ?

      NOW IS THE TIME TO GO ALL IN FOR 80% REAL COMMODITIES . ONLY LEAVE ENOUGH IN THE BANKS FOR BILLS ! CLOSE YOUR 401 K … WHILE YOU STILL CAN .

      GUNS AMMO 4X4 GOLD SILVER FOOD WATER FILTRATION PURIFIERS SOLAR ETC ETC …

      STORE YOUR WEALTH IN REAL COMMODITIES NOW !

      AFTER NOV 6TH 2012 … IT’S ALL DOWN HILL INTO THE DEEP DARK RAVINE OF COMPLETE TOTAL COLLAPSE AND DEFAULT !

      GOT PHYSICAL PM’S !

      ~;0p

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      • glacialhills says:

        Look who’s back, different name but same ole nonsense!

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      • eeder says:

        jesuit controlled nina, jesuit controlled. they control the mormon church as well as 7th day adventis and jehovah witness. as well as muslim religion i might add.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          EEDER!! Here Read This stuf and LEARN!!

          Benjamin H. Freedman, Jewish Historian – Researcher – Scholar.
          From “Common Sense”, p. 2-1-53 and 5-1-59

          “Christians have been duped by the unholiest hoax in all history, by so-called Jews. This is considered their most effective weapon.”

          “This ‘big lie’ technique is brainwashing United States Christians into believing that Jesus Christ was “King of the Jews”, in the sense that so-called ‘Jews’ today call themselves ‘Jews’. This reference was first made in English translations of the Old and New Testaments, centuries before the so-called Jews highjacked the word ‘Jew’ in the 18th century A.D. to palm themselves off on the Christian world as having a kinship with Jesus Christ. This alleged kinship comes from the myth of their common ancestry with the so-called ‘Jews’ of the Holy Land in the Old Testament history, a fiction based on fable.”

          “American Christians little suspect they are being brainwashed twenty-four hours of every day over television and radio, by newspapers and magazines, by motion pictures and plays, by books, by political leaders in office and seeking office, by religious leaders in their pulpits and outside their churches, by leaders in the field of education inside and outside their curricular activities, and by all leaders in business, professions and finance, whose economic security demands that they curry the favor of so-called “Jews” of historic Khazar ancestry. Unsuspecting Christians are subjected to this barrage from sources they have little reason to suspect. Incontestable facts supply the unchallengeable proof of the historic accuracy that so-called “Jews” throughout the world today of eastern European origin are unquestionably the historic descendants of the Khazars, a pagan Turko-Finn ancient Mongoloid nation deep in the heart of Asia, according to history, who battled their way in bloody wars about the 1st century B.C. into eastern Europe where they set up their Khazar kingdom. For some mysterious reason the history of the Khazar kingdom is conspicuous by its absence from history courses in the schools and colleges.

          “The historic existence of the Khazar kingdom of so-called “Jews”, their rise and fall, the permanent disappearance of the Khazar kingdom as a nation from the map of Europe, and how King Bulan and the Khazar nation in about 740 A.D. became so-called “Jews” by conversion, were concealed from American Christians by censorship imposed by so-called “Jews”, of historic Khazar ancestry, upon all U.S.A. media of mass communications directed by them. Then in 1945 this author gave nation-wide publicity to his many years intensive research into the “facts of life” concerning Khazars. The disclosures were sensational and very effective but apparently angered so-called “Jews” who have continued to vent their spleen upon this author since then solely for that reason. Since 1946 they have conducted a vicious smear campaign against him, seeking thus to further conceal these facts, for obvious reasons. What have they to fear from the truth?

          “In an original 1903 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia in New York’s Public Library, and in the Library of Congress, Volume IV, pages 1 to 5 inclusive, appears a most comprehensive history of the Khazars. Also in the New York Public Library are 327 books by the world’s greatest historians and other sources of reference, in addition to the Jewish Encyclopedia, dealing with Khazar history, and written between the 3rd A.D. and 20th centuries by contemporaries of the Khazars and by modern historians on that subject.”

          Jesus was a ‘Judean’, not a Jew.

          During His lifetime, no persons were described as “Jews” anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the “homeland” of the ancestors of those who today style themselves “Jews”. Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their “homeland”, and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a “Jew”. The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term “Texan” signifies a person living in Texas.

          In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called “Jews”, they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as “Jew”. The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled “Jews” today refer to as “Jews”, were known as “Pharisees”. “Judaism” today and “Pharisaism” in the time of Jesus are the same.

          Jesus abhorred and denounced “Pharisaism”; hence the words, “Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers”.

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    33. Emily says:

      Thank you Be Informed for your insight,
      I always enjoy reading what you have to
      say. Are you aware of the sinkhole in
      Louisiana and how it is growing. Just
      wanted your opinion on the situation,
      if you have time to comment.

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        eeder you are an anoying little Worm. It figures you wont even read anything someone provided to try to straighten your warped small mind with.

        As for you to tell me to leave this site?…Yeah ok. I do not think You make any rules here as you aint intelligent enough. Go on asshole, keep watch for jesuits and reptillians…Perhaps Ickkies web site or radio crap on martian aliens will assist you somewhat.

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        • eeder says:

          whos the worm angelo? i read your novel. what do you want me to say about it? youre clouding things here and you know you are. get a life you slug.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ Emily. That sinkhole is really not that large, it is so worrisome because of the location of it. Louisana is kind of like a giant sand dune affected by the waves and winds. Sinkholes appear all the time in unstable areas such as this. The problem is that there has been a huge petroleum extraction in this area and whenever you take something away from the underground it is replaced with something else or nothing and a cavity remains until it collapses. What they are worried about is that this area is going to be replaced with methane gases that could one day explode and cave in much more area.

        The sinkhole only grew some 500 square feet the last time I heard about it, which is basically a sqaure 22 feet by 22 feet, a average living room. It is that it grew in a very unstable area. During the 1920′s the area around long beach, california called signal hill was heavily drilled for oil and some seismogists feel that the 1933 long beach earthquake was quicken because of all of this drilling and taking away part of the ground’s stability. Many worry that the groundwater extraction for farming in the major aquifers around the corn and other beltways of farming for much irrigation could lead to earthquakes, including quickening the New Madrid breaking sooner than it should.

        There was much talk about all this methane gas being released all at once from the area around the Deepwater Horizon site, like a giant methane gas bubble hitting the surface and causing a Gulf of Mexico tsunami. The are around the Louisana point of the sinkhole is also worrisome because the strategic oil reserves are here. I think this could be a problem, but until that sinkhole grows consdierably larger, it is not YET a true problem. I would worry more about the Caribbean plate that is ready to unleash a 8+ thrust earthquake and a good size tsunami around the eastern Gulf and south Atlantic seaboard. This area is more overdue than the southern San Andreas for a huge quake.

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        • John W. says:

          It happened because a drill went in the wrong place and fractured a salt dome. Salt domes are all over the area. As the cavern fills with water the salt disolves and the sinkhole expands. This could get really large as some of the salt domes are close to each other. The whole cannot be plugged as it is now a huge lake and the only solution would be to stop the supply of water which is also impossible.

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    34. lena says:

      yes, its over, there is no way the world recovers from the debts it has inflicted on its people without some real pain that lasts a while.

      the only question is it going to be a worldwide depression that lasts a decade or a period of civil unrest and possible war. could be both, but i think its one or the other.

      i look at my nephews and nieces, who are all under 10; and wonder just what kind of world they’re going to grow into adulthood in and if they’ll even know a time when things are good in their adult lives and all because people who assume the responsibilities in their countries could not manage the money entrusted to them like the people do every day. its very sad.

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    35. T.R. says:

      Let it collapse , kick their ass if they try to take anything , they fucked up …….they trusted us . Comes a point when you just say cant pay it and we are not even going to try …….you lost it bud , now get off my property before I shoot ya . We will start making our own things from now on .

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    36. iowaSparky says:

      Russia test fires accurate ICBM today, with a range of 1250 miles.

      http://www.blacklistednews.com/Russia_Successfully_Tests_Intercontinental_Missile_/22088/0/0/0/Y/M.html

      All this hype about Iran, but IMO, Syria will start WWIII rolling. Russia has their back, and they are ready to remind the world that they are major players.

      War is coming my friends, preparation is only common sense, and our only hope… Great article Norse P.

      I hope everyone here the best… be ready in body, mind, and soul.

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        • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

          EEDER!! MORE Proof You are so WRONG!..READ This…

          Benjamin Freedman’s Address to US Marine Cadets in 1974
          Introduced by Colonel Curtis B. Dall, President F. D. Roosevelt’s son-in-law.
          Col. Curtis B. Dall:
          Briefly, I will add a word or two about my old friend, Ben Freedman, I consider it an honor.

          I was initially introduced to him as a sort of, well you meet a fellow, but I’m not so sure about him – he may be a sort of a Trojan Horse. Well, I said, let me make up my own mind. In the years that have followed, I make up my own mind I spent many happy evenings with him and his wife, Rose, who is not with us anymore. When Ben was over twenty-five – and, as I say, he comes from a very distinguished Jewish family in New York. When Ben moved over into the areas of Christianity with Rose, it took a great deal of courage. “Guts,” is the name in the Marine Corps, for what it took. Ben has been ostracized by many of his friends for believing that this Country had objectives and ideals that did not appear in the minds of some of our alien citizens.

          So, it is with great respect and honor, I say, this gentleman is a world scholar in the areas which he will touch upon. It is my great pleasure, as a member of this fine military organization, to present the honorable Benjamin Freedman, of New York.

          Benjamin Freedman:

          I am very honored to be here. I don’t know how to start to thank Col. Dall for making it possible for me to address you. But I hope that things work out so that you will feel grateful to him. And if you will try to make a little use of the information I can give you, you may be very helpful in saving this country from the fate which has befallen Great Britain and, maybe the Soviet Union (Czarist Russia). We are in a very serious state at the present time. I’ve just returned, within the last four weeks, from an extended trip in what is known as The Middle East. I am very friendly with the heads of the government, the rulers who know me for 25-30 years, who talk to me and treat me, as a brother. I stay with them at their homes, and we call each other by our first names.

          Now, all I can tell you is that what I am going to tell you may not make you feel any more comfortable. But the less comfortable you are after hearing me, the more chance you will exert whatever influence you can to save this country from a fate it doesn’t deserve. After the men I see here get to know their records, what they have done to pull us out of the ditch, once, maybe twice, I don’t think it’s fair to these men to see us now, dragged down into the sewer of history – which is where we are bound to go, if things deteriorate – that really is not the word, – if things degenerate at a more rapid pace than they have been degenerating the last ten or fifteen years.

          Now, before I make this talk, I would like to call your attention to one thing. I am going to use a word, you hear the word, you read the word, and you use the word, Jew, as though it is something that could be weighed and felt, has a background. I’m going to use that word, although I never use it in my own personal affairs or in my private life. Now, I want to explain that Dr. Samuel Johnson wrote the first English Dictionary in 1797. That’s only a few years from 1800, which isn’t so very long ago! It consists of two thick volumes. And it has possibly every word that was then used in the English language. I have shown that to many important people in all walks of life, and they were amazed, because when I told them what I am going to tell you now, they didn’t believe me. So I acquired these two books – cost a little money. They’re first editions, rare!

          In that book, in those two volumes, the first English dictionary ever published by Dr. Samuel Johnson, (about whom, many of you know) the word Jew, does not appear! That word was coined, forced on you, stuffed down your throats by control of all the media by the people who are interested in leading you to slaughter. The word, Jew, did not appear. They say Shakespeare used it. They cite all the people who used it. It did not exist. I don’t want to go into that, now. I don’t want to give you a discourse in philology. We have something more important. But I am going to talk about that word, use it; but I want you to know that I never accepted it, and more than, let’s say, the people who refer to artificial silk. Well, artificial silk has certain handicaps. I imported it, when it first came out. It was made in Germany, and it was called artificial silk. And it had a repercussion. People didn’t like to buy something that was artificial anything. So the manufacturers got together and they awarded $25,000 as a prize to anyone who could get up a good word to use instead of the word artificial silk. That prize was won by somebody who coined the word, “rayon.” Today, people talk about rayon as though it existed from the beginning of the world, as though it always existed. “Rayon” is a modern word and the man who coined it was paid $25,000.

          The word, “Jew,” was coined for a purpose by the people who got us into two wars, who laid a trap to get us into a third one, and who have practically taken over the control of the world, especially the control of this country according to Senator Fulbright and others. So it’s about time that you learned the basics and did something about it. I am certain that, unless something is done to change the thinking of the 200,000,000 U.S.A. Christians, that this country is headed for disaster! There are 200,000,000 Christians in this country who have been brain-washed, from morning to night, by radio, press, television, motion pictures, every media – the mass information has been used to deceive you into believing things that they knew were deliberate lies and part of their scheme to brainwash you. One of them is the word, Jew!

          Now, in the Middle East, you know the situation. The United States has been supplying, since the end of World War II, 32 billion dollars of the taxpayer’s money. 95% of that 32 billion dollars was used by the Congress of the United States, after you paid that money into the Treasury, to make the United States the accomplice, the ally, of thieves and murderers; to aid and abet them to hold on to their stolen loot -territory that they acquired by invading Palestine and driving the indigenous population out of the country that they had inhabited for 2,000 years!

          Now you were taught by the Christians; you are taught by your ministers, by your priests, (and Dr. Ellson, here, God bless him, knows how I’ve been fighting, and he did as much as he could, over the years, to make it possible for me to succeed) . . . You have been told that it is your Christian duty to help repatriate God’s Chosen People to their promised land. You have been told that by every media of mass information, including the pulpit, including every other means by which they can shape your thinking: “That it is your Christian duty to help repatriate God’s Chosen People to their promised land.”

          Now, I’ll tell you what a lie that is! I can cite the sources here that I’ve consulted, maybe 234 official documents, maps, books, and other records, but the best is one that I found in the last few years, The Encyclopedia Britannica, the 1911 Edition, Volume 15, three pages, define the word “Khazar.” Three pages! Now, that book was published in 1911, in London, and it probably took twenty-five years (whoever compiled that information) to accumulate it. It’s the research of many people. Many of the sources of information are mentioned at the end of the article. But you will find that the Khazars were an Asian nation; they were a Mongoloid, Turko-Finn tribal nation in Asia. And they had so much trouble with the other nations there, who finally succeeded in driving them out of Asia, across the border, into what is known today as Russia, in the area of the Ukraine. They found, there, a lot of peaceful agricultural people, mostly Slavic, and they conquered them. They did the same thing then as they are still doing in the Middle East! They took them, for no reason at all, except the people weren’t trained to fight! They established there, the Khazar Kingdom.

          Now, those three pages in that Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 15, the 1911 Edition tells you who they are, how war-like, how savage, how barbarian they are, and that they succeeded in sweeping across Europe to the gates of Paris, and to Finland. They controlled all Europe – these Mongols known as Khazars! They did that from maybe the fourth century to the ninth century. And they were the most brutal people. They enslaved these people and exacted tribute from them, while holding them under their control – practically all Europe. Until in the 8th century, a man by the name of Rurik. a Varengian, who came from across the water, from what is known today as Sweden, – he organized these people. They were living as people interested in agriculture. They didn’t want any politics, they didn’t want nations or governments. But he saw what they were subject to, this treatment by their Khazar conquerors. And he organized the principality of Rokh, which became the Russian Empire. He organized them, and started to drive these Khazars back. And he finally succeeded to where they came into Europe for the first time, in the area of the Ukraine, where they continued their Khazar Kingdom.

          Now, they were Phallic Worshipers. Anyone who doesn’t know what Phallic worship means, I am not going to go into detail, but they were Phallic worshipers and they were so degenerate that when the king, their ruler, heard that there were such things as monotheistic forms of religious belief, (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) he sent for representatives of the three of them, and asked them to tell him the merits of their faith. And after listening to them, like a child would play “Eenie, Meenie, Minie, Mo” to pick out the one that they favored, he listened to the three of them, and said, “I’m going to become a Jew and adopt the religion known today as Judaism.”

          So, he compelled his entire nation, (which at the time had a population of maybe 18 or 20 million people, and extended to the heart of Europe), they had to become members of that religious belief. He sent to two Talmudic centers in the Holy Land, and he brought up religious leaders, (whether you call them rabbis, or what, it makes no difference). And he compelled the 4,000 nobles (they had a feudal system) to adopt that faith and it became the official faith. They built thousands of schools and so-called temples, or places of worship. That is how the people of Eastern Europe became what we know today as Jews.

          I have with me, now, a circular that I received in the mail last week, the March of Dimes put it out with the assistance of the Rockefeller Foundation, and they recite the whole thing; because they have found, in recent years, that the Khazars are carriers of a disease that no other people in the world have. Here’s the circular that they got out. It’s called, “Kasak Disease” (The Jewish Disease – Tay-Sachs). I have known about it for years. The New York News newspaper had a full page on it, called “The Jewish Disease.” They explained the whole thing, so I went into it, investigated it, and gave a little money to one or two clinics that were trying to do something about it. The Eastern Europeans, of Khazar ancestry, known as Jews, are carriers of this Kasak disease. When one Khazar marries another Khazar: (I don’t say so, Mt. Sinai Hospital, the Jewish Memorial Hospital, the Rockefeller Foundation, they’ve all done a lot of work on it. They published these figures and these statistics . . .) that one out of four children, when one Khazar marries another Khazar, or of that ancestry, that child can’t live beyond three years. And the death that that child suffers is too miserable to describe to you. Out of the others, two of them become carriers, and one is clear.

          Now I have maintained, after listening for twenty-six years to every meeting of the United Nations… (I attend, and I sit there, and I hear these representatives of the so-called State of Israel, talk) . . . I’ve been saying for many years, before I even knew about this, – they must be crazy! How can they say those things before the representatives of 131 other nations? How can they say that? Have they no shame? But, I found out they are suffering from this disease.

          So then, to sit there, and tell the world, officially, in the United Nations, that they are God’s Chosen People, and that it is the Christian’s duty to repatriate them to their homeland, when they know who they are –

          Now, those are the people that again went on the war-path, and they are now up to their old tricks and have been, because after this Russian Empire expanded, they conquered the Khazar Kingdom, and incorporated the people and the territory in the Russian Empire, and the so-called Jews in Russia, who were then the orthodox Jews, we’ll call them, . . . Russia had become a Catholic country, under Vladimir the 3rd, in 986 . . . they couldn’t get together on anything. Now, what happened? They have been at war ever since. And after the 11th century, when they were conquered, they pledged that they would never accept that conquest, that they would keep on organizing and revolting to again declare their independence and set up their Khazar Kingdom. That was in the 11th century! They have been fighting the Czarist regime, ever since, and I don’t want to go into detail, but I can give you plenty on that subject, and no one can deny it, because I can give you chapter and verse of hundreds of books, maps that I’ve taken, had photostated, all over the world, in the public libraries and museums. Now, you have these people, organized, and all of a sudden, something developed. The last revolt that they started was in 1905. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, under the word, Bolshevism, one of the five rules for their revolt was: Never start until the armies of the country are engaged otherwise. And in 1905, when Russia was at war with Japan, in the Far East, they started their last revolt, – and they were slapped down, like every other one since the 11th century.

          That’s where I come into the picture. – I wasn’t alive in the 11th century, though! But, what I am trying to tell you, though, is that in 1905 they took this terrible licking, like, here.

          STAY WITH IT EEDER!! PROOF OF WHO DID…WWII!!!!!!!

          So, we had a President in Washington, Mr. Taft, Mr. Jacob Schiff, of Kuhn, Loeb & Co., the bankers in New York who are the arm in the United States of the Rothschild International world wide plutocracy – Mr. Schiff, with two young men, went down to see Mr. Taft, and he said, “Mr. Taft, . . . (I am not telling you this out of my memory. I almost know this by heart, because the books are here, in the Congressional Library. The people who were in the room with President Taft, at that time, and President Taft were told by Jacob H. Schiff) . . . “We want you to cancel the Most Favored Nation Treaty with Czarist Russia, and we want you to recall our Ambassador.” The President told them, “Mr. Schiff, things are not what you represent them to be. My ambassador tells me differently.” So, Mr. Schiff told him, in so many words, “Is you is, or is you ain’t – going to do it?” When the President said that he would not do it, Mr. Schiff said “We will put a political party and a president in Washington, to whom we can dictate what they should do.”

          Jacob Schiff came back to New York (He was at that time head of The American Jewish Committee), and in my father’s home (I was a young man then), in the presence of many prominent men some of whom you’ve heard the names of, he retold the story and I looked at the books in the Public Library, Memoirs of men who were in the room at that time, names that are familiar to many people that are here. That is a -fact. Now, what happened?

          They ganged up in New York, to get rid of Taft. I was a protégé of Mr. Bernard Baruch – a name that I think you are all familiar with. His father was a doctor, Dr. Simon Baruch, who had brought me into the world, and Bernard Baruch was a visitor at our home all the time. He courted my sister; one of my sisters. So the stage was set to get rid of the Republican Party and the Republican President and put in their own party and their own President. But it was very difficult, because, after the Cleveland depression (President Cleveland was a Democrat, we had Free Trade) we had the worst depression ever seen anywhere. And that swept the Republican Party into power, because they advocated tariff, protective tariff to protect the working man against the cheap labor of Europe and to protect the infant industries, in the United States against foreign competition.

          Mr. Schiff went down there and had this conversation, came back to New York and the stage was set. And I, as a young man, got into the act. What I am telling you now, I saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, but I make it brief. The stage was set: “How can we get rid of the Republican Party; how can we get rid of Taft” – and Mr. Baruch was picked out as the leg man. He was a smart man!

          They set up the National Democratic Headquarters at 200 Fifth Avenue, which was the site of the old Fifth Avenue Hotel, now an office building, and Mr. Henry Morgenthau, Sr., the old man, the father of the one you all know, was made chairman of the Finance Committee. I was made his confidential assistant in liaison with the Treasurer, who was Mr. Rollo Wells of St. Louis, – the Andrew Mellon of his time. And I was right in the middle! I saw everything that went on, because I handled all the books that had the cash contributions in them. Mr. Jacob Schiff and the Jews (use that word as I told you, with reservations) put up the money to launch this Party, and they looked around for a man to put up as President. To make a long story short, because the details aren’t very interesting, they got Woodrow Wilson, a rascal who wasn’t worth the powder to blow him to hell!

          They got Woodrow Wilson, the man who had more ego than any man I have ever read about, they got him to head the Democratic Party. And they got into difficulties! Because the Democrats only got the Electoral votes in the South; where the people in agriculture wanted cheap goods from Europe. But the North wanted the Republicans. They found out they could not elect a President in the United States. So, I handled the money; I was the leg man, the errand boy (I was only a boy then.) They trotted Theodore Roosevelt out of the political “moth-balls” (He was then an editor of a magazine). They told him, “You are the indispensable man. You are the only man who can save the United States.” And with his ego they formed the “Bull Moose Party” and Mr. Jacob H. Schiff and the Jews throughout the world – they got plenty of money from England – they formed the Bull Moose Party. And in that way they split the Republican vote between Roosevelt and Taft, and Mr. Wilson walked in with a minority of the popular vote – the lowest man, (and I knew the inside of his private life, which I don’t want to go into here). But never was a lower rascal in the White House, and I’ve known plenty of them since that time!

          Now, Mr. Wilson really didn’t know enough to come in out of the rain! I cannot understand how he ever got there, except that in shuffling the cards, they had the goods on him, You find in politics, every time they pick a candidate, and put him out in front, they have the goods on him. You know he had been sleeping with the wife of the professor who lived next door to him at Princeton, whose name was Peck. And they used to call Wilson, at Princeton, “Peck’s bad boy.” When she got a divorce and moved to Washington, she married a man who had a son. And that son borrowed $40,000 from the bank, without asking them. He didn’t know how to pay it back, and the pressure on him was getting very, very hot. So this woman heard of Samuel Untermeyer (of the big firm, Googenheim, Untermeyer and Marshall) a prominent Democrat; and supplied much money to the party. She went to him with a big package of letters which I read (Wilson was a great letter writer. He knew the language; there’s no doubt about it, Wilson knew his vocabulary, when it came to making love, anyway). So, they cooked this up and she got the idea of blackmailing him. She got Samuel Untermeyer to go to see him, as a lawyer. He was a big contributor to the Party and he knew Wilson, and he went there. To make a long story short, Wilson didn’t have the money; Untermeyer provided it, and the boy paid the money back.

          Now, Mr. Untermeyer told President Wilson, “I’ll advance that money if you will do one favor for me. The next opening on the Supreme Court, I want to name the man.” He said, “We’ve never had a Jew on the Supreme Court I think there ought to be a Jew on the Supreme Court.” So Wilson said, ”It’s a deal!” and they paid the $40,000. When a vacancy appeared on the Supreme Court, Mr. Untermeyer recommended Mr. Brandeis. Mr. Brandeis was the number one Zionist in the United States; the head of them all, and he became very friendly with Wilson. And when the war with Germany broke out, the war between England, France, Russia, and Germany and Austria, the United States had nothing to do with it. They all thought England, France and Russia would crush Germany in 60 days. Big headlines in all the papers. I was very active then, in politics, “Boys home by Christmas, Boys out of the trenches by Christmas,” but when Christmas came, the war was getting hot!

          The Germans had brought out the submarines, and the Irish gave them two bases on the coast of Ireland, and they were sinking everything that brought food and ammunition to England, which under International Law is correct. Now, when they saw that Great Britain was going to lose the war, the Jews were very much excited, because, up to that time, Germany was their best friend

          In 1822, Germany passed the Emancipation Edict which gave everybody in Germany equal rights; no religious discrimination. Up to that time, every country in Europe had quotas: l%, 2%, 3% to become a doctor, a dentist, a lawyer, a banker, a schoolteacher, anything. Germany, in 1822 passed that Emancipation Edict and all the Jews across Europe rushed to Germany, because they could get an education. They could become doctors, lawyers, dentists, druggists. So, when I was in Germany, 50% of the pupils in German schools were Jews from all over Europe. They all ran to Germany. And they worshiped the Germans

          Baline, a Jew, was the head of the Hamburg-American, North German-Lloyd lines. Even the private bankers, the Hohenzollerns, were Jews. The head of the German General Electric Company was a Jew. The biggest companies, – there was no discrimination at all, in Germany. And the Jews had a picnic there, but they were not the Khazars! They were so-called Jews that came into Western Europe with the Roman armies; that came from Judea when the Romans occupied Western Europe, and there were two houses of worship, one in Speyer, one in Lyons, little stone houses, in the second century, which was 600 years before the Khazars were converted. So the German Jews were just as much apart as the Arabs and the Khazars, today, in fact, there was a saying, I don’t know if I can say it in this company, but when I lived in Germany, the Germans said about the Pollocks – (they called them “the Pollocks,” the Eastern European Jews), “Where a Pollock pisses, grass will never grow.” They hated them! They could never allow their children to marry. So, when Germany was winning the war, the Jews were very happy, because they didn’t want Russia to come out the winner, with France and England, because they thought it would be tougher for the Jews in Russia. So, they were all pro-German. What happened? When the Germans trotted out the submarines, – England in August or September, I don’t remember just which week, but General Haig, in London, warned the English, “We have less than two week’s food supply for the whole nation of 55,000,000 people.” The food and ammunition boats were sunk so quickly, they couldn’t get food or ammunition.

          So, England was offered a Peace Treaty by Germany. They were offered a Peace Treaty twice! It was on the desk of the British War Cabinet, ready to be signed. It needed only one signature. What happened? The Khazar Jews in New York, Washington, led by Brandeis, made this promise through Fleischman & Sockloff in London. They went to the British War Cabinet and they said, “You don’t have to make peace – which is tantamount to surrender. We can show you how you can win the war, if, when you defeat Germany, and carve up the Ottoman Empire (or Turkey) you will give us Palestine. And they made that deal. It was all written. I don’t say so; Other people don’t say so. The Zionists, in the books that they have written, tell this whole story. How they got the promise of Palestine, by promising to use their influence to get U.S. into the war. That’s how they are going to turn against the United States; the same way they turned against Germany; after everything Germany did for them, since 1822. They made the deal to bring the United States into the war, which meant certain defeat for Germany; which was triumphant, then; offering a peace that was tantamount to surrender.

          So, when that offer was made, the Zionists in London went to the British War Cabinet, according to their own books, their own record, in the British Museum. I circulated thousands of copies of this 12 page memorandum by the man who negotiated it. When they were bombing London in 1945, he thought he’d die. And he typed this out, this true story, and gave it to the British Museum for posterity. That’s available. Anyone can have a copy of it. I sent out thousands, – maybe ten thousands of them.

          Now, the United States got into World War I. How did they get in? They didn’t know how to get us in, because the Germans leaned backwards. They said, “We are going to do nothing on land, on the sea, or in the air, to provoke or justify a declaration of war by the United States, because we’ll be licked! Now, we’ve won the war!” Which they had. The Russian armies were in retreat; in France, the army had revolted, and wouldn’t fight. There was no more fight left in the allies. So, what happened?

          They went to Great Britain; made this offer; Great Britain accepted it. Then the question came, How to get U.S. into the war? They couldn’t get us in if the Germans didn’t give us provocation or justification. So, what did they do? A message was sent to Washington, that the S.S. Sussex, a ferry from Dover to Calais, had been torpedoed in the Channel and 38 Americans lost their lives! I’m not going to string this out, because I’ve got a lot of other things to tell you!

          On the basis of the torpedoing, and the loss of 38 lives of our citizens, Congress declared war against Germany. Now, after the 4,000,000 men that General Pershing had been drilling, were on their way over, some of them fighting in Europe – (a lot of you, here, went over, were fighting while this fighting was going on) a member of Parliament and others, who couldn’t stand it any longer, they came out with the secret that the Sussex was not sunk and no Americans lives were lost. And we were in the war! Now that is how the Jews got us into World War I, and that started everything because Wilson was elected. We had a national debt of one billion dollars. And since then it has gone up – I think it’s now 465 billion, after the wars we’ve been having, so that’s how the Jews got us into World War I.

          I knew Judge Samuel Rosen who was Mr. Roosevelt’s mentor. They used to say that he didn’t go to the water closet without consulting Judge Rosen. I was very friendly (here’s somebody who will bear me out) – Now, when it came to World War II, we couldn’t get into the war because the Germans said, “When the Americans came into World War I, look what happened to us!” So there was war in Europe again, Germany and European countries, and there was no way to get us into the war. And the pressure of the Jews here, in New York City, Washington, to get into that war was terrific! They didn’t know how to do it. So, as Mr. Tanzell wrote in his “Back Door to War,” (he was at Georgetown University, a professor of history) – I saw, in the Yale Library, the papers of the Secretary of Defense at that time – we were pushed into World War II by Mr. Roosevelt, through the back door! Germany would give us no justification or provocation. But the Jews, here, were putting pressure on Roosevelt, “We’ve got to get into that war! We can’t let him do that to us!”

          We had to make up our minds what to do, so the United States sent to Japan, and they said, “We can’t sell you any more scrap steel or oil.” Japan was fighting a war with China; Without scrap steel or oil, which they got altogether from the United States, they would have to withdraw from the war. So they sent nine different Ambassador here, trying to change Mr. Roosevelt’s mind. Ile said, “No, we can’t sell you any more, at all.” So, at that time, Germany and Japan had a treaty; Any country that declared war on either one was instantly at war with both! So, Mr. Roosevelt figured, “We’ll provoke a war with Japan.” That’s why he threatened them to cut off steel and oil. So they sent nine ambassadors here, and, finally, they couldn’t take it much longer, so you know what happened at Pearl Harbor!

          Now, Mr. Roosevelt figured, and it’s in Mr. Stimson’s diary, in his own handwriting, which is in the room at Yale Library containing all Mr. Henry L. Stimson’s papers – he was the Secretary of Defense. He wrote in his diary important things that went on (in his own handwriting) and under November 25th, two weeks before Pearl Harbor, he wrote, “The President sent for us to come to the White House. I thought it was to discuss the war in Europe, but he told us that we had to be at war with Japan but he didn’t want it to look as if we fired the first shot!” That is almost verbatim. Henry Stimson, the Secretary of Defense wrote that in his diary. That is how we got into the World War, because Roosevelt said, “We want to be at war with Japan, but we don’t want it to look as though we fired the first shot”! So we got the first shot, alright, at Pearl Harbor! But, the only way we could be at war with Germany was to be at war with Japan. Then automatically, under their treaty, we were at war with Germany. That’s how we got into World War II.

          We are now on our way to World War III. The chances are it will be a nuclear war. There is that chance, and I’ve been fighting, (some time and money) so that the conditions would not be set for that. Now, what happened. The Chairman of Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Fulbright, stated on Sunday morning television program, which according to the advertising services has 28 million listeners; he said, in answer to a question about the Middle East, he said, “You cannot do anything about the Middle East!” He said, “The Senate is controlled by the Jews; 90% of them have subverted the United States Senate, and you cannot do anything” – or words to that affect.

          Now, the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee of the United States, throws in the sponge, says that 90% of the Senate are controlled by the Jews, meaning the Zionists. So, you may now expect the worst! The only way it can be averted, if it can be avoided, is to alert yourself to these facts. All these lies that you’ve been told, “That it’s your Christian duty to help repatriate “God’s Chosen People” to their “Promised Land,” is a lot of hog wash. And we are going to be in another war unless you people and others like you wake up the 200,000,000 Christians in this country who have been so brainwashed that they don’t know whether they are coming or going! They are running around in circles.

          So, you see, you, as representatives, and high representatives of the 200,000,000 Christians in the United States, have got to learn the facts.

          Now, we didn’t ask to come into the world; neither did our children, but we owe them a debt. We owe a debt to these men who sacrificed their lives to save this country, so let’s see what we can do.

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          • eeder says:

            mac, please get rid of this clown. he is not here with good intentions.

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          • eeder says:

            i dont owe anything to anyone angelo. you seem to be living in your own little dream world if you think i am going to play your game.

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          • copperhead says:

            AM: I will not get into a posting war with you. You have your idea’s and I have mine, that being said here’s mine. I will never turn my back on ISRAEL PEROID, my SAVIOR is JESUS CHRIST( who was a JEW) the SON OF GOD. The JEWS are GOD’s chosen people and all through the years have been made the whipping boys of the world. They have been blamed for everything. So dose this mean you don’t believe the bible, which is GOD’s word, and the world has tried to get rid of it and cann’t. This tells me but one thing what is said in it IS TRUE! My last thought’s are if it is not true I’ve lost nothing by believeing, but if it is true you have lost everthing.

            Copperhead out

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          • T.R. says:

            Dude , make your point , this is an e-novel . most people ar going to skip that without reading it . No , I didnt read it either .

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          • Be informed says:

            @ Angelo M. I think I speak for most people here that we are more interested on how, where, and when the next major war is going to start. You could be very correct that Jewish people are going to be at fault, but whom is at fault is really not what matters to most preppers/survivalists, it is how to survive it the best way we all can. I have given my personal opinion on why and how war might start, as you and others had the impression I was being pro-israel. I am pro prepper.

            I was trying to state previously why I would think that Israel would act before the election and how they would lose their advantage if they waited until later. I am like others trying to pinpoint a SHTF so we can all be better prepared. This is far easier with earthquakes and the plates of the planet.

            What would be interesting would be, since you seem to know a lot about the jewish race, would be what do you think will start the next major war. Do you think israel will wait until next year. What do you think could suddenly cause an attack. In other words what signs do you see that we all can look for and be better prepared. This is what this site is about, getting a jump on an event and being ready. This is why people put away food, water, and other supplies ahead of time before SHTF.

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          • T.R. says:

            AM , I dont agree with you but damned if I want you censored either , I believe in the 1st , not a selective 1st like the Ospook administration . Crapperhead , one of the few times we agree , Israel should be supported , the Muslim is the enemy of all free peoples on earth and needs to be irradicated like the cancer it is , until it reforms itself or becomes extinct . In my personal experience , I have had nothing but positive dealings with Jewish people . Im not overly religious and believe in moderation including religion , but if like you said , its true …..then revelations can not be averted and events will play out as they are supposed to be . Do I think Ospook is evil , out to destroy America and the white race ? yes I do .

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      • T.R. says:

        And we are arrogant enough to probably go to war over that crap nation of syria , US vs Russian Federation , dont have high hopes people , we cant destroy forces with no air force , no navy , etc . and spend over 12 years trying . Somebody that is tough will be a serious challenge , the Pattons and McArthors are not in todays leadership .

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    37. Peter Parker says:

      Would someone please post a link to the tradeoff article mentioned above. Thanks!

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        BI: Yes I know the reasons to prep, I said prior I been doing it for over 15 yrs maybe more like 20 yrs now.

        As for who begins next war etc?…Good question. If history, at least the last 250 yrs or so is an indicator?..Then yes it probobly will be instigated by the international jewery/zios.

        However its my hope, that if enough folks, Especially jewdeo christians types as are most today it seems. Will wake up to factual truths and all that was concealed from us all the last 100 yrs. Then perhaps we can Avoid such a war.

        I firmley believe that team work by todays neocons, who are totally infiltrated and run by APAIC jews and Rabid war hawk zios etc, along with Tens of millions of pro jew evangelical baptist and protestant and catholics, but especially them non cathoilc denominations it seems.

        Is the main reason GW bush was so able to get us tangled up into Two wars we had zero buisness going to.

        I think the neocons alone or dem libs alone cant get america to go along with anymore wars for jews or isreal or the man in moon. Unless we really are at immidiate threat etc. Without such help from all them pro jew type christians.

        Copperhead is a Prime example, of one who is so ready to “Stand” with jews and isreal he sounds like a Live Parot of pastor john hagee or a Clone of hagee!

        With all due respect to copperhead and all others too, if you read what I posted at This article, and look at all the factual truth and documented evidence, and if you have an Ounce of brain power, you cant posibly think that Yes we have been lied to by almost everyone on most every issue or agenda…Yet still believe pastors such as hagee and most others today, some like hagee who were Handed a FREE Gulfstream or LEER jet by a conglomerate of NY & Telaviv jews And the Govnt of isreal itself!

        To still believe them pastors aint in it for the LOOT$$$?

        Come on…It stands to reason pastors who hang out with same polititions and banksters types are probobly not being honest.

        Bottom line is I would like to see enough of these folks awaken to see the grand deceptions(like spoken of in Rev of last days deceptions etc) so that nobody in Our fed gov be they repub or dem or indep. are able any longer to Rush to war or rush into carpet bombing millions of totally innocents simply because them jews hate that group.

        Nowheres are us christians told to “Bless the jews”.. As one post I added says…You Must Read Past over 500 pgs of the old testement of bible to even see the word “jew”!

        Yet hagee and most others today state as fact that moses-abraham-isiac-jacob were all jews!!….No bibles prior to aprox. 1775 era ever had that word, jew in it!

        America as well as entire world is being royally swindled and scammed by the exact same people who got us into WWI & WWII and all other wars we been in almost.

        Dont you BI, agree while it is great to prep incase of war, it is alot better still, if enough can be awakend so perhaps our polititions Cannot get us involved again in more wars?….I got nothing against jews or isreal, besides those who are or have swindled us.

        But I also aint falling for any pastor “Gimme a free $50-million Jet plane, and I will tell usa christian Sheeples any agenda isreals jews want me to” Hagee’s crapola.

        If isreal or jews is stupid enough to keep trying to establish their evil Antichrist JWO dreams to rule/Own entire world etc?…So be it but I want zero to do with it and also do not want MY america to be scammed to assist in that.

        For any true christians to Disobey bible command to…”From such Trun Away” meaning non believers and evil doers etc. How can anyone square being an ally to antichrist jews or isreal?….Christians are supposed to Fight against such evil or wrong doings.

        If some rather trust some tv type pastors hooked on $$$$, instead of what the bible states?…Go ahead on…It is Your soul at stake. If you think they wont murder You just as they did to Jesus Christ?…Dream on…..

        “Crusify Him! they chanted! while they yelled…Then let His innocent Murder Blood be on OUR heads and on OUR childrens and Their childrens, et al, heads!”

        Thats what them Jews stated when Pilate Refused to murder an Innocnet man…aka Jesus. Yet Jesus will Still forgive them jews if they turn away from talumdiac evils and turn to Christ. Same goes for Todays jews. Jews need become Christains,,,Not Christains today become talmudiazid or judiazed!…Christ Himself said theres ONLY One way and He is it! Not seperate ways for jews and christians. One way Period. Any christians who dont get that?…Are still on Milk aka aint yet ready for Meat.

        They will Do the Lust of their Father…Satan…Lie Steal and Murder…..And so they have! for 2000 yrs now they murder mainly White Christians to the tune of nearly One Quater of a Billion just in the 20th century alone!

        While mistaken or foolish copperheads type christians refuse to awaken and so they Allow or Assist in the evils.

        So I guess BI like you do with earth quakes info, I try to do with info to reveal vast deceptions on the church folks. While You cannot stop earthquakes…if enough folks stop helping war monger neocon Zios etc…Perhaps we Can stop another evil wrong War eh!

        Seems like Both our type info is valid and much needed eh…Thank you for all of your info. I read every post you write.

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    38. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      The Utah Mormon FreeMasons once Again are Exposed as NWO ZOG CIA FBI TRAITORS to the Once Free AmeriKan Citizens …

      New Mormon bishop in Spokane has “CIA TORTURER” controversial past -

      http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/new-mormon-bishop-in-spokane-has-controversial-past/24009/#more-24009

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    39. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      CIA Officer Explains New World Order

      WAR IS A RACKET !!! ~usmc gen. smedley butler

      AMERIKA IS DEAD BROKE !!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gWfyC3rzN8&feature=related

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    40. Prepping Preacher says:

      thank you, Norse… i’m sure you and most here are aware that prepping now to endure through the worst of the times coming is only the beginning… enduring through will be like moving through a doorway into a new area and we will need to bring the requisite skills and materials with us to continue on into the “reconstruction” phase to follow…

      keep on prepping and learning

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    41. eeder says:

      a government perverted by cunning from its great ends is no longer binding upon its subjects; it is their duty to restore it toits original foundations-peacably if they can, by rebellion if they must.

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    42. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      Marine helo pilot sues over Wyo. traffic stop

      By Ben Neary – The Associated Press
      Posted: Monday Sep 24, 2012 20:28:05 EDT

      CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A Wyoming sheriff’s deputy who detained a combat veteran in handcuffs for openly carrying a pistol offered to let him go if he agreed to let another deputy draw his weapon and shoot if the veteran made any sudden moves while driving away, court records show.

      Capt. Robert Pierson, a Marine Corps helicopter pilot who has served two combat tours in Afghanistan, has filed a civil rights lawsuit over the August 2011 incident.

      Pierson, 31, of Pensacola, Fla., was carrying the pistol, which is legal in Wyoming, when he was pulled over by Deputy Corry Bassett of the Lincoln County Sheriff’s Office.

      In a sworn statement this month, Bassett acknowledged he offered to release Pierson if he allowed Deputy Rob Andazola to draw his weapon and cover Pierson.

      Pierson declined the offer and was released without a citation when a supervisor arrived.

      Pierson said he was on a cross-country trip on his Harley-Davidson when Bassett pulled him over outside Alpine in western Wyoming. A person had reported that someone matching Pierson’s description had passed a number of slow-moving motorhomes, authorities said.

      “I didn’t know whether kicking my leg over the bike, or walking away, or what they could possibly constitute as a hostile act,” Pierson said in a telephone interview Monday. “I didn’t like the terms. And I was a little unnerved by the fact that they were threatening lethal force with a deadly weapon against a man who was compliant, in handcuffs, who had been screened.”

      Pierson said the deputies ran his name and found he had a clean record.

      “An escalation of force of that nature was quite more than I was expecting,” he said.

      Bassett said in the sworn statement that he had been trained to put his personal safety above the rights of a citizen openly carrying a handgun.

      “We’re told every day, our safety is first,” he said. “We’re here to come home every night.”

      Patricia L. Bach of the Wyoming Attorney General’s Office represents Bassett and Andazola. She declined comment.

      Bassett told Pierson’s attorney, Gary Ferguson, that he detained Pierson because Pierson wouldn’t tell him whether he had a gun.

      Pierson, who recorded much of his interaction with Bassett and Andazola, told Bassett only that he didn’t consent to any searches.

      Pierson said he is seeking damages, an apology and a statement by the jurisdictions involved that the open carry of handguns is lawful — and that the purpose of government is not officer safety but the protection of peoples’ lives, liberty and property.

      “I want that stated as the paramount reason they exist,” he said.

      Pierson also said he wants to see Bassett and Andazola off the force.

      Pierson said he finds the irony of the situation heartbreaking. “Both sets of officers, the sheriff’s department and myself, we’ve both sworn to uphold the Constitution,” he said.

      http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/mobile/news/2012/09/ap-marine-helicopter-pilot-sues-over-wyoming-traffic-stop-092412

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      • BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

        * i love this u.s. marine ;0)

        The nwo zog u.n. is in serious trouble … WE ARE “ALL” WAKING UP awareness of the ZOG Police Gestapo Prison State is sweeping across ameriKa like a wild grass fire

        A FREEMAN PATRIOT REVOLUTIONARY CIVIL WAR is COMING to ALL of AMERIKA !!!

        ~;0P

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        • BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

          A Florida man has filed a federal lawsuit claiming Lincoln County sheriff’s deputies violated his Second Amendment rights by arresting him while repeatedly asking him whether he was carrying a handgun.

          http://www2.jcfloridan.com/news/2012/jan/30/pensacola-man-sues-montana-deputies-over-gun-arres-ar-3141477/

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        • possee says:

          BaaBaa

          If one peruses, which I do,all the alternative financial sites that one can peruse in a few hours a day…

          the entire sentiment is in total agreement with you..

          the end is near..

          (of this financial system)

          and mayhem will result..

          prepare accordingly..

          yet still enjoy the moment(s)

          as we all never get them back..ever

          possee

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          • possee says:

            From TFMetals Report..

            Now, the Fed, a private banking cabal owned by the likes of JPM, GS, BoA, Deutsche, etc. is trying to keep the near-dead patient (dollar-based system) from expiring. It does so to keep some semblance of normalcy, as unless and until some other viable financial system is ready to step into the breech, a failure would mean the entire world as we know it will devolve within weeks to about the year 1600. This is why we must prepare with food, water, shelter, and protection supplies. Enough to get past this possible scenario, which I hope would not go betond 6 months or so, though it easily could.

            possee

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            • durango kidd says:

              Possee: You have quoted from a metals report. While it is interesting to view these opinions, and while I also believe in the advice they offer, they are still a metals broker are they not?

              What would you expect to hear from someone who profits from selling metals? Just asking :-)

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              • possee says:

                dk

                A few more excerpts from idiots..

                CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Prepare yourself for another stock market crash as big as the free fall in October 1987. Oct. 17, 2012, 8:35 a.m. EDT

                Bill Gross(PIMCO) Warns “Very Likely’ Central Banks Will Cause 1987-Like Crash..Oct 19 ,2012

                Trade-Off: Financial System Supply-Chain Cross-Contagion: a study in global systemic collapse.
                David Korowicz (FEASTA)

                Jim Willie(10/20/2012)..
                “The global financial system is empty of ideas, has no solutions, and is rotting on the vine..
                The jobs data is an exercise in deception and fiction. The deception is with the unemployment rate, which runs steadily at 16% to 17%..given the profound widespread insolvency, the nation is descending after having gone over the cliff. It is not approaching a fiscal cliff. It has fallen over it!
                The ZIRP birds chip at 0% frequency, due to interest rate derivatives working around the clock under great strain, with no buyers and $trillion deficits as far as the eye can see.

                50% of new college graduates cannot find work, deeply frustrated and disillusioned. Over 3 million young people are fast losing faith in the system, adults living with parents. They will serve as the demonstrators on the street, if the nation ever wakes up. The nation of Spain had 2500 demonstrations in 2011 that took place in Madrid alone. The United States is fast asleep, flouridated, awash with propaganda, deceived in almost every area of life.”

                more to come..

                possee

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Possee: I do not disagree with a significant drop in the stock market. Stock values are based upon multiples of the earnings for any particular company, but major drops of a thousand or two thousand points or more are not unheard of; in fact they have happened before and they will happen again. A stock “crash” does not signal a currency collapse. I do not own any stock except in my own companies.

                  WE have had many “crashes”. We still have the dollar.

                  If you really want to understand the stock market and the future of the stock market, read: THE WALL STREET GANG by Richard Nye. It is probably out of print, but next to Benjamin Graham, he is the guru to read.

                  Jim Willie is a gold bug. A MAJOR Alt media gold bug. I appreciate him increasing my wealth with his rants, but I suspect that unless he owns his own gold mine outright, that I have more gold than he does!

                  While the facts he provides that you quoted are accurate, they just reflect the current state of affairs which WE already know. It doesn’t prove any future condition or support the “collapse” of the dollar.

                  Try again! :-)

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                • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                  That shoe shine boy tells JP Morgan story sounds like pure BS, OR…Was morgans cover story because one look at that era history shows JP. Morgan and his Pal Jacob Shiff were two of the bigest Rothchild banksters agents here in america.

                  To think JP Morgan didnt know of any “bubble”?…Come on…Them guys aint who Learn insider info…They Invet or Create such insider info everytime!

                  MEDIA Press: “Mr Morgan how or when were You involved in the crash swindles?…

                  J.P.Morgan:…Me? Oh no no no! I just learned of the crash/swindles by accidnt from my Shoe shiner boy!!!

                  Riiiiiggghhhtttttttttt!!!!!!!

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Angelo: Its a true story. Don’t add to the myth of the man by suggesting that he was so insightful that he “knew” he was in a bubble.

                  Data wasn’t as available as it is now. It was probably just an “eureka” moment for him and when he sold ALL of his stocks, it took the crowd a day or two to realize that he had, and then they sold and a “panic” developed.

                  Morgan, probably, unwittingly, created the crash. Imagine if today Buffet sold all of his stocks?

                  Madness would set in

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                • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

                  DK..Do you also think its Myth that JP morgan’s bro Jacob Shiff is the man who gave Leon Trotsky $20-Million in Gold to fund the bolsheviks russian revolt too?

                  Jacob Shiff Was the number one point guy for Rothschild bankster. If I recall corectly, Shiff Married a sister or daughter of Morgan to worm his way into kuen Leob, and later JP Morgans banks etc…

                  These guys are ALL in Kahoots and have been for at least 200-250 yrs now…

                  A year ago or so, Ron Paul questioned Bernaki on live CSPAN TV (I watched it) about the great deprection era and who caused it etc…After several trys to dance around issue…Bernaki was visably pissed off and answered ron paul’s committee of us reps hearings.

                  Bernaki Admited “Yes ok it Was caused by the FED Reserve honchos”..Then bernaki said “So what of it?….They are all dead now for some time now and nobody can prosecute any of em.”….Arrogant bastard.

                  You can bet morgan knew as much as them guys as they all are in kahoots. Always were always will be.

                  I dont know if I seen actual documented proof of morgan as such?…I may have or not?…It dont matter either way.

                  Some things you just Know. I know ALL them tribe members is crooked as can be and operate as One.

                  They is who Causes “Bubbles” sure as kids blow bubbles from soap liqued and plastic small hoops they blow air thru.

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            • possee says:

              For one..
              I am not in fear

              and 2
              I am not stupid as you imply

              and 3
              I have experience in much more than a credit union.

              and 4
              I come from a family that was deeply entrenched in the State Dept, Foreign Affairs,Military, and counter intelligence.

              You can continue your diatribe all you want..just don’t underestimate the rest of us..

              Some folks just refuse to separate fantasy from reality.

              possee

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            • Walt Kowalski says:

              @DK…

              It’s going to be a lot of fun watching you cry when this house of cards comes down.

              How an otherwise intelligent person can believe that fiat currency has real value is simply beyond reason.

              You accuse folks here of buying into “alt media propaganda”…..yet you buy the bankster BS lock, stock and barrel. Talk about naive….

              To give you an example of just how stupid the “conventional wisdom” that folks like you advocate is….back about 3 years ago, I had a friend, who like yourself works in the banking industry, tell me that I should get out of gold, because the bottom was going to fall out on the price in the near future. Back then…it was right at $1000 an ounce. Sure glad I didn’t listen to her.

              People like you laughed at guys like Peter Schiff back in 2005, when he said the whole mortgage bubble was about to collapse.

              I think I’ll listen to guys like Schiff. He…and others in the alt media got it right. Guys like you didn’t.

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              • durango kidd says:

                No Walt, I will not be crying when “this house of cards comes down”. I have no debt, no mortgage, no personal loans outstanding. I do have cash, I do own lots of precious metals, and I have preps.

                While I believe that the house of cards will crash eventually, I do not believe that it will implode from within. The dollar will not fail because there are too many printed. The FED can insert or remove dollars from the system as needed.

                Too many dollars must reach the consumer and the consumer must use them to chase too few goods for hyperinflation to develop.

                The system is mechanically perfect. WE had the crash. The FED replaced the losses of the banks. It continues to do so and will continue to do so. I don’t like that because it adds to the national debt, but the lower rates for those bonds allow US GDP to carry it better.

                Still, like with any household, the US needs to retire debt and increase income.

                Any collapse would have to be deliberate. A deliberate crash of the system would affect the uber rich more than anyone else. It would also bring more violence upon them than anyone else.

                There is a lot of demand for US Bonds. There is no shortage of buyers. The FED can buy all of the Treasuries for all I care. I think it currently buys about 40% but much of that purchase was designed to increase bank reserves.

                The central bank of japan has purchased 93% of Japanese bonds. That hasn’t stopped investors from investing in japan.

                The fact is that bond buying is an integral component of corporate finance. 147 global companies control 60% of global GDP. Apple for example has about $75 billion in cash. Where do you think those dollars are?

                Do you think that $100 bills are stacked up in a back room in Cupertino? No those dollars have purchased US Treasuries. Even “small” companies stick their excess cash into US paper. Hedge funds, pension funds, and private investors buy US paper. There is no shortage of buyers and there will not be.

                I do not buy the bankster line lock, stock, and barrel, as my many posts here over the past three years demonstrate,but I do understand that US paper is the basis for the financial system.

                The global economy cannot operate without it.

                When the crash eventually comes, it will come as the result of natural, physical changes, when judgement comes to America.

                But not today. :-)

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                • Walt Kowalski says:

                  That’s the biggest line of bovine scat I think I have ever read.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Walt: Like I said, you have opinions but no arguments. You are invited to take any statement I made and refute it with facts and logic: but you do not have either.

                  Get back to me when you have an argument. I would welcome your edification. Thank you. :-)

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                • Walt Kowalski says:

                  And your arguments are based on the conventional “wisdom” of those who have put us into this mess to begin with. And the fact that they continue to do stupid stuff is not a logical argument that it works. That’s like asking a guy who just jumped off a 100 story building how he’s doing, and his response is, “So far, so good.”

                  We are witnessing the failure of Keynesian economics before our very eyes. And the solution proposed by the folks who have created the mess? Double-down and do more of the same.

                  It doesn’t matter really. The damage done is so severe that it cannot be fixed.

                  Show me a way that a 16 trillion dollar debt…along with another 100-200 trillion dollars in unfunded obligations can be paid without hyper-inflating the currency. We cannot grow our way out of this. And we can’t borrow our way out of this.

                  My argument is the Austrian economic model. Go look it up for yourself. I won’t do your homework for you.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yeah that Austrian economic model is great, unfortunately it is being funded and touted by the NWO Globalists who fund the Mises Institute.

                  And it is these guys and Lew Rockwell in particular, who have sold US “FREE TRADE” as a FREEDOM when it is a demonic scheme to impoverish middle class America.

                  Be sure to send your hero lew a contribution! :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Hey Walt: Here is a link to a Business Insider article for you and anyone else who thinks the dollar is worthless and will soon be replaced by the Chinese RmB.

                  http://www.businessinsider.com/boao-review-the-realities-of-renminbi-internationalization-2012-10

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                • Walt Kowalski says:

                  I don’t think the U.S. dollar is going to be replaced by any other fiat currency. At least nothing that will succeed.

                  The failure of the financial system is going to be global. And what is going to ensue, is chaos.

                  Your paper dollars will be useful in the toilet…or perhaps to use to start a fire to keep you warm. That’s IF you have them in your possession. If they are digital dollars…well…those will just be gone.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  And Walt: No I wasn’t one of those people who laughed at Peter Schiff back in 2005. Pre crash I drove past a particular house in a good neighborhood in Phoenix while on my way to LA Fitness every day.

                  It was for sale, and for some reason that particular property caught my eye every day. The eye of a highly experienced and highly trained real estate appraiser. I wasn’t looking to buy a property but something kept knawing at me about the property so I eventually broke down and called the number and asked about it.

                  I had a true “JP Morgan experience” while talking to the seller. For those who do not know the story I will relate it here.

                  JP Morgan was one of the richest tycoons on Wall Street in his day. He was having his shoes shined by the shoeshine boy on the corner near his office as was his custom.

                  While engaging in conversation with the shoe shine boy while having his shoes shined, the shoeshine boy started giving JP Morgan “stock tips”.

                  Morgan was astonished by the conversation and correctly assessed that if the shoeshine boy was giving “stock tips” then the market was in a bubble.

                  He rushed back to his office and sold all of his stocks. The market collapsed a few days later and Morgan was one of the few that survived the “crash” with his fortune intact.

                  Likewise, my phone call produced a “Morgan Moment” for me. The seller was an “investor” who was going to expand the property, redevelop it, and flip it for an enormous sum.

                  Somehow the numbers he was talking about just didn’t add up for me. I knew the market, I knew the numbers, and I thought the guy was crazy, so I asked him:

                  “Are you a broker”? No he replied.
                  “Are you an architect or appraiser”, I asked? No again was the reply.

                  Then I asked him, “What do you do for a living?”

                  His response” “I am a hair stylist and I am investing my money and the money of my friends into the project, we are going to make a killing.”

                  Right then and there, while still on the phone to this moron, I thought of JP Morgan, and I knew WE were in a real estate bubble.

                  True story.

                  As for Schiff, he has a lot of skin in the game, the metals game that is, so I will always look at his take on metals with a jaundiced eye until he starts screaming “short metals!”

                  Invest in gold, speculate with silver, and hoard your lead. They won’t be making any more of it after the Changes. :-)

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                • Walt Kowalski says:

                  Nice story about J.P. Morgan. Especially since it was guys like him who helped create the monster of the Federal Reserve to begin with.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Walt: I am not a fan of JP Morgan or the GB’s, but if one is going to be ahead of the herd and the curve, one must understand what is inside the box before one can think outside the box.

                  Kill the FED.

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      • John W. says:

        I guess they could not find a dog to shoot or stomp on. Most cops now are psychopaths. Sad.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        eeder,
        You had better watch out what you write about the Pope and his boys. He may send a hit team of Nuns after you! I hear that they can get pretty nasty when piss off.

        (It’s a joke, not ment to dismiss what you say, or laugh at you, just with you, O.K.?)

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      • Mad Max says:

        hey Eater,

        How come you never provide links to back up yer wild ass accusations?
        Sounds like ya have a woody for the vatican types of late. If that’s the case, how ’bout letting the rest of us view the same Jesuit porn sites yer ranting over. We’ll follow the script & make up up our own minds, ok?

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    44. zukuduh says:

      DK your smart, i agree with alot of what you say and search for your posts . but when you make scientific predictions you should #1 STOP #2 check your medication #3 log on to area51.com

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      • durango kidd says:

        Z: Check the links above I provided for JustMe, above. The Poles are shifting as WE comment here. The north magnetic pole is moving at 40 miles per year in a northwesterly direction. That’s up from previous measurements at 25 miles per year.

        The Pole Shift is accelerating. Catch up. :-)

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    45. eeder says:

      the time to expose the truth and more importantly, those that try to hide it is now. i consider anyone who does not start actively exposing this an enemy.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        You seem to have an angry soul, which I believe is rare for the people of Canada? I’ve started reading you posts this last week and I’m trying to understand what you are saying better.
        Many of the Fathers of the Protestant reformation held very strong beliefs concerning the Roman Catholic church leadership, like you do. Are there many Catholics in Canada besides the French in Montreal? What are they like? Decent people yes/no?

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        • Rev. Ike says:

          I know that the Detroit area has a huge Muslim population, is that true also across the border? I guess the thing about living in North America is that there is always somebody new arriving?

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          • eeder says:

            yes rev, im aware of the big muslim population in metro detroit. we have them here , more scattered across many big cities. they dont seem to have a favorite place to land here like they did in detroit. not sure why so many have gone there. i guess theres alot in and around toronto. they dont tend to congregate like that here though. i have no problem with any of the muslim people i have ever met. they have all been kind and nice. im not saying all are this way , but that s been my experience. its when you come up agaisnt a dumb italian or irish catholic blowhard where i have most problems. zionists , i will give them one thing. they don t give up easily.

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        • eeder says:

          yes rev, in eastern canada especially, even outside fo quebec, their is what i would call a majority catholic population. most dont care about the religion. they were born into it. i bug my one buddy, i was bear hunting with , all the time. i tell him buddy, if youre dutch and white , why are you catholic? he doesnt know or care.its not the catholics or the jews i have a real problem with. its the jesuits.i do not pray to rome or jerusalem. period. im not sure i can be mroeo clear on this. im not sure why anyone would argue with this.

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    46. king krazy says:

      I am getting old,(other side of 60) and I have watched this country go right down the drain. The problem is we replaced God with the state(gov). Our moral compass is lost. Unless we have a revival of our Christian principles we are doomed. communism = satan

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    47. eeder says:

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    48. eeder says:

      its like this. i live my life, you live yours. we stay out of each others hair. what dont you get?

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    49. eeder says:

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      • Mad Max says:

        hey Eater,

        You claim the vatican runs israel?
        ROTFLMAO.
        Are you fer real? Damnit boy, y’all gotta have some killer stuff way up north! Screw this jesuit stuff, let’s hook up and you supply me with some ‘o that weed. We’d make a killin’ in my neck ‘o the woods!
        Yer vendetta against the vatican is a bit misplaced, seems like I remember something where some israeli bigshot said rome was on their nuclear target list.

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      • John W. says:

        Ha,Ha,Ha you are nucking futs. The Jesuits cannot even organize a picnic. I have observed a cousin who is a Jesuit and what you say is silly.

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    50. RICH99 says:

      I have my doubts of there being a collapse because they have been and will be papering it over. If it became a problem I still think it will be Yeats before we see a collapse

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    51. Tigger says:

      And while our country is on the brink of disaster, our congress is on recess and our Presidential candidates are smilin’ and politickin’!

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    52. copperhead says:

      A BIG THANKS to you N P great post. We truely must prepare for our families, time will get ugly soon for all. The world is coming apart both on the surface and under it, there is no question about it. I have a gut feeling that everything on top and under will happen
      together and to me that is very scary, and a mega geophysical event is likely to start it all. Like was said the good old days are over, there will never be the days like we are having even right now ever again. So prepare both physicaly and mentality, but first of all prepare sprituality. TEOTWAWKI(AL) is coming real soon.

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      • Norse Prepper says:

        Thanks Copperhead! Like someone else said on the comments, we are still living in the good old days because we can still walk down to the local subway and pick up a sub. I think every single time I eat that some day I might be remembering this day and thinking to myself if this was just a dream.

        We walk through the isles of a grocery store and there is an entire isle dedicated to feeding dogs. (No offense to dogs or owners) But seriously, with so many that will be starving to think back and remember the abundance.

        Given that, we ARE still in a time of abundance and we can still prepare!!

        I appreciate the discussion!

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    53. Mick says:

      The Good Old’ Days:

      - I remember a time when boarding a plane only required walking through a simple metal detector, with my shoes on. No groping. No back-scatter radiation.
      - I remember a time when I could look upwards and gaze into a clear, blue sky. Not criss-crossed with “trails”.
      - I remember a time when I could drive through town and the traffic intersections didn’t have cameras.
      - I remember a time when kids could put up a lemonade stand without fear of a burro-rat showing up and asking for their health permit.
      - I remember a time when the Federal government didn’t force me to buy health insurance, containing coverages I don’t want or need. And when my church wasn’t forced to do the same.

      Aah, I could go on but it is a nice day outside. Time to warm up my coffee mug and go for a little walk in my back woods. :)

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    54. Mr. G says:

      Prepping is great and I would encourage anyone to do it, however there are times when leaving everything behind is just another option of self-preservation. Kind of like living to fight another day.

      There are just far too many people occupying relatively small U.S. territory and all these desperate souls would fight tooth and nail for anything and everything.

      In all truth, SHTF event has already occurred in the U.S. with default financials and astronomical healthcare costs. How many would survive without modern healthcare, which would not be available? Only a few and not for long.

      Consider bailing out of country as an alternative to staying put.

      God Bless everyone!

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    55. Bob says:

      Eeder is right he has done his research
      Go easy on the guy!

      Rothschilds/Rockerfellers/Du Ponts/Warburgs

      Before “Windsor” was chosen, it used to be called the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha

      In 1917, due to the anti-german sentiment at the time, King George II changed their name to Welton, then Windsor.

      It’s all out there in the public domain

      We are ran by institutional nazis

      These central bankers funded Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc. etc.

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    56. VRF says:

      Because Obama doesnt want these numbers to show up under his rule ,, and a failed project funded by us but approved by him..over 300 workers in a battery plant in michigan have been getting paid to do NOTHING!

      The bankruptcy of electric vehicle battery maker A123 Systems earlier this week turned a spotlight on the struggles of the Obama administration’s push for green jobs of the future around electric cars, which has fallen short in employment and production. Now a new report says in one Michigan plant, built with $151 million in federal money to assemble battery cells for the Chevrolet Volt, workers have been paid for months to do nothing. According to WOOD-TV of Grand Rapids, Mich., the 300 workers at the LG Chem plant in nearby Holland have yet to ship a single production battery cell since the plant opened late last year

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      • John W. says:

        I would expect the goal is to leave Americans in the dark and cold with no power available to run the few remaining factories. The EPA has already shut down over a hundred coal fired plants and if Obama is re elected they will be going after the remaining four hundred or so. This is being done even though there is nor viable replacement source of energy available. They also are ready to shut down the use of fracking for extraction of NG and oil. Hope all the Obama voters enjoy their free O phones.

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    57. RICH99 says:

      I continue wondering whether the gold and silver I bought is a waste to own and should be converted to more usuful items instead. IF what is talked about happens who will care about wealth…..survival will be on our minds Fay by day NOT oh look how much gold I have

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    58. GrayFoxGreen says:

      Just a few thoughts….
      When Pax Romana began to fail,Western Civilization as it was known unraveled as well.Things fell back into a “rustic mode” of living(dark ages).Not that Rome was such a good Civ.(Christians fed to lions,used as human torches to light the streets at night,captured soldiers and others forced to fight to the death as entertainment for the crowds,etc..),but it was the height that could be attained for it’s time.Then corruption set in,and we know the rest.Now we have “Civilization” world-wide.And on a world-wide level it’s in FAILURE-mode.Case in point,the latest Big Pharma scandal of the polluted shot serums.No one arrested,no fines or lawsuits,no FDA actions,and the maker is allowed to CONTINUE to make more drugs(they claimed to have pulled the stuff off the shelves,but didn’t destroy it.Perhaps to sell it to a third world country under a different label?)!
      I suspect that we’ll see more of this type of FUBAR as time passes.We may have a “event” that speeds up the entropy,otherwise it MIGHT take decades to truly hit bottom.And stay there(see Argentina).But hit it will…
      As for the present moment….
      It’s a nice day today,no contrails above and the sound of the wind rustling thru the trees.It’s good to be alive on a God-given day like today.
      My best to All
      GFG

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      • BlueH20 says:

        Just want to note, GFG, that the injectables in question were REQUESTED to be preservative-free and alcohol-free SPECIAL ORDERS. While this was noted in the first articles, that fact has been dropped from reportage and the meme switched to regulation.

        This is not Big Pharma. Compounders supply clinicians w/drugs made to order that cannot be found from regular sources. For example, many post-menopausal women swear by made-to-order hormone replacement therapy that is only available from the Compounding Pharmacy to the physician. Veterinarians can order medication formulations from compounders that their animal patients will accept and that are not otherwise available. Compounding Pharmacies supply a niche of both need and demand. This particular one went overboard in marketing volume discounts. Most Compounding Pharmacies are small suppliers of very small batches, one of the reasons their products are always more expensive than mass production. This company acted unwisely and irresponsibly by trying to use the production techniques of mass marketers while eliminating the safeguards.

        These fungi are ubiquitous. This is why injectables normally contain preservatives that are also anti-microbial. Likely there is not a clean-room technology available that by itself can keep Aspergillus et al out of products. Regulation will accomplish nothing except to put all the compounders out of business. Government fines enrich government, only. The patients harmed can bring civil actions and that will work. The clinicians can begin to inform the patients about the need for preservatives and microbials and refuse to treat w/products that are not formulated for that protection. That will go a long way.

        People demand miracles and they demand them regardless of scientific fact. IMO, one of the main problems today is that people accept media memes that have an ultimately ideological agenda. The entire industry-wide usages of preservatives in food and medicine have become defamed and fear of the very ingredients that protect the end user has trumped not only scientific knowledge, but common sense. Yes, there is overuse of preservatives, antiseptics and antibiotics, but there are also sound reasons to use _some_ and instances where they should be present to prevent exactly this sort of tragedy.

        We all need to understand all sides of every issue and not succumb to knee-jerk responses.

        Otherwise, I agree with the first and last parts of your post.

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    59. Nam Marine says:

      West Coast Sarasota area, Gator tail and Wild Hog sausage!
      Too bad about the Gulf. Thanks to B.P. all the seafood is
      poison now! Remember……..you can never go back!
      At least we have the memories.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        @Nam Marine
        Heck when I was a boy I used to eat Bass out of the Glades at least once a week. Now they have too much heavy metals from the run off of the “cane” fields in the center part of the state.

        Nothing like a Fla. hog hunt to get your blood up!

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        • VRF says:

          Texas or lousiana hog hunt out of an air boat..what a rush..
          Texas wild boar hunt out of the back of a pick up truck, thrilling

          dont miss

          lol

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        • John W. says:

          Our local paper had a picture of the daily catch off Florida in 1950 and the changes every ten years in the size of that catch. In 1950 two people landed what looked like a thousand pounds of fish. By the year two thousand the trophy fish were now the size of the throw backs in 1950. The same is now true on the West Coast where you have to go to Alaska to catch big fish.

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    60. Be informed says:

      Earthquake in Vanuatu, ONLY a 6.6, but the system works that said 90% chance of a 6.5+ after this polar earthquake in the Balleny Islands on Oct.9. Now it is 54 out of 60 times it has occurred. Exactly where it should be, and where I gave the highest chance of it occurring. Location perfect, magnitude not quite high enough. Mac, this system works as it once again proves it. I need to modify the magnitude predictions. Still might have that 7+ to 8+ earthquake. This time though it was a bull’s eye for the location. Still feel that a much bigger earthquake on the way.

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      • Be informed says:

        Gave Vanuatu as one of the highest ares likely to get hit with a big earthqauke on the Oct.2 article almost towards the bottom of the comments, as proof that this earthquake system of predictions once again works. While the USGS just downgraded this in magnitude, the Iris seimic monitor is leaving at 6.6. I am still expecting a bigger earthquake, the Australian plate is just too active to ignore. Still watch that line from the Soloman Islands to Tahiti as I have been giving this warning for several days now on many comment sections of the article, as this area is still primed as shown today.

        Plates are affected from other plates and from the same plate. Most of the time the Balleny Islands region and the southern Australian plate boundary when it has earthquakes it means bigger earthquakes on the northern part of the plate, especially the south seas area. Central Japan and eastern Russia are also affected by this and sometimes the Alaska and the Aleutian Islands. I would still be on alert in the Kermadec Islands and New Zealand for possible large shaker. Will further study this, and try to pinpoint the next big earthquake.

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    61. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      WOUNDED MAN OPENLY TERRORIZED TAUNTED BY FLORIDA PIIIGS … THEN DOOR KICKED IN … HOME INVADED BY FLORIDA POLICE AND THEY BEAT HIM “AGAIN” !!! WTF ???

      WTF IS HAPPENING IN CORRAL SPRINGS FLORIDA ???

      PUCKING ISRAELI IDF ZOG DHS TRAINED COPS ARE “OUT OF CONTROL” ACROSS THE NATION … WHERE IS YOUR PUCKING WARRANT ZOG DHS PIIIGS ???

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46uwCAMdjAg&feature=player_embedded#!

      * I’M THINKING IT’S TIME TO BUY THAT 10MM !!!

      ~;0p

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    62. JENIFER says:

      i have never prayed in vain. god has always answered. YES, GOD–JESUS IS THEE BUT HE WAS A MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      i eill noit be a fool I will pepare, but i will not waste ThisTIME!!!!
      These are the good times…ENJOY THEM!
      LAUGH MOCK IF YOU WILL, BUT WE ARE some of the last that aren’t riddled with war. so enjoy the calm before the storm but please prepare and don’t worry. If you area child ogf god–God’s got you . There is no need for worry if one has faith!
      I’m more scared of cancer than the fight to come. for this fight is the reason for everything.
      one easter i turned on thr car radio-and all i heard was :
      YOPU HAVE TO CHOOSE…
      IF YOU ARE ON THE FENCE YOU’VE ALREADY MADE YOUR CHOICE. SO WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON????

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    63. copperhead says:

      If you can keep your head when all about you
      Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
      If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you.
      But make allowance for their doubting too;
      If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
      Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
      Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
      And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

      If you can dream – and not make your dreams your master
      If you can think – and not make your thoughts your aim
      If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
      And treat those two imposters just the same;
      If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
      Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools.
      Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
      And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools:

      If you can make one heap of all your winnings
      And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
      And lose, and start again at your beginnings
      And never breathe a word about your loss;
      If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
      To serve your turn long after they are gone,
      And so hold on when there is nothing in you
      Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

      If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
      Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
      If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
      If all men count with you, but none too much;
      If you can fill the unforgiving minute
      With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
      Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
      And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
      –Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

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    64. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      A VERY MUST WATCH VID … WALL STREET STOCK BROKER TELLS THE TRUTH !!!

      GOLDMANSACHS RULES THE WORLD … GET PREPARED NOW … THE STOCK MARKET IS RIGGED AND DEAD ON ARRIVAL !!!

      GOT PM’S ???
      GOT AMMO ???
      GOT GUN’S ???
      GOT FOOD ???
      GOT WATER ???

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2CSKXIf3V4&feature=player_embedded

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    65. noneya says:

      Is this a religious website or a prepper website? I’m just wondering because I’m here for facts, not fiction.

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      • Norse Prepper says:

        It’s a website of opinions and because people have theirs they speak of them. You obviously don’t believe in God, that is your choice. Others here have a strong faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and act as such.

        If you are looking for a site that just regurgitates fact and removes human elements go to dictionary.com or something?

        I personally think the site wouldn’t have the draw that has kept me coming back many times daily if people weren’t able to speak their mind and beliefs.

        God Bless.

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      • Rev. Ike says:

        noneya,
        can two people draw upon the same set of facts but come to 2 conclusions?

        I’ve seen at least twice where some hard as rock grunt takes a frag to the eye or a round to the chest and he breaks down and starts praying to the God which he did not believe in 30 minutes before.

        Is he just frightened that he is going to die, or does each of us a sense of God inside?

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    66. If the brakes are not applied to Washington, we are sentencing our children and grandchildren to economic and political slavery. We have had one bloody conflict in this country to free the slaves. Who will free our children this time?

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      • greaseman says:

        applying the brakes is already too late. we are in a freefall, and the 98% won’t realize it till we hit the bottom. It’s not the fall that kills you, it’s the sudden stop. The reset is near, and the elites are using every means to keep up the “everythings fine’ feeling. we know it’s not fine.
        Who ever survives what’s coming will certainly be the ones to forge a new beginning. And I feel this new beginning will be from the literal ashes of what’s left. No one will free the survivors but themselves. Very soon, the real work will begin. Very soon, all the months and months of stories discussed on this blog will be a memory. then the actual use of knowledge gained will be applied. The politics discussed many times will make no difference whatsoever. Each person will bring to the table what they have done for themselves and family, learned for themselves and family. then, the real trek begins.
        Good luck guys, we’re going to need all we can get. Luck favors the prepared.

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    67. Satori says:

      I am so not looking forward to 2013

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-20/clock-running-cash-almost-gone-and-make-believe-will-no-longer-suffice

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-20/guest-post-narcissism-consumerism-and-end-growth

      “The clock is running, the cash is almost gone and make-believe will no longer suffice. The crisis phase, in my opinion, has been entered.”

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    68. Satori says:

      some would beg to differ DK

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-19/housing-bubble-beneath-recovery

      we are very much in what Kunstler called “the long emergency”

      things will NEVER go back to the way they were

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      • durango kidd says:

        Satori: I have posted here previously that the current green shoots in the real estate market are hiding the second leg down and that early speculators into the real estate market will likely be inundated by the Second Wave of foreclosures or WAR, which ever comes first.

        I hope that things never go back to the way they were. I thrive on change! :-)

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    69. braveheart says:

      AM, right after SHTF, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BOAT! WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE TRYING TO SURVIVE EXTRAORDINARY EVENTS COMING OUR WAY! Not all black people are bad. The black people I work with every day I would trust with my life. True, there are too many black people, the younger generations, who have fallen under evil influence and doing things i don’t approve of, especially the gangbangers. Anybody who comes along to try to hurt me and take my preps, REGARDLESS OF COLOR, GENDER, ETC., WILL DIE PERIOD! NOT ALL OF THE PEOPLE PUSHING THE NWO AGENDA ARE JEWS; THEY ARE PREDOMINANTLY GENTILES. My late wife, God rest her soul, was a refugee from Cuba. She was half black and half Hispanic. You don’t know how many fights I’ve been in when she was alive standing up for her honor; especially when someone made a comment about my being married to her. My grandfather’s army unit at the end of WW2 took part in the liberation of Dachau concentration camp. What he found there words could not describe. i don’t understand your hatred of Jews; do you trust Muslims? If you do, you’re a helluva fool! The Nazis were true barbarians. They got what they deserved after that war. braveheart

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      • Angelo Mysteriouso says:

        Listen you self rightous idiot. I never said I hate anyone…You are saying that. You do not even know me.

        What I posted about various holyhoax crap was written excerpts from a recent book by a JEW WRITER!!!!!

        A Fuckin JEW wrote how Jews are Swindleing and SCAMMING the entire world to extract billions of cash dollars by taking aprox.2 % true facts…And Adding in 98% BULLSHIT.

        So what if your grandpappy was at WWII?…So was My FATHER! and in Korea also!

        Maybe you should actually READ what I posted and then…wait for it….THINK!!!!!…..Or keep your blind obedience based upon OTHERS ideals or beliefs. Just cause we ALL been taught a shit load full of lies or propaganda dont mean its real or true.

        As far as You were, or are, or approve of whites being Coal Burners?…it figures. Whites who make Colored babies are too stupid to not only see the Total war of death by a thousand cuts against their OWN white race now in high gear.

        But them type white folks who make black and brown babies are also ASSISTING those evil bastards who Wage this war against whites..I guess a good term for it is..”White Self-Genocide”..Bet that makes antiwhite blacks and kommie jews Gleefull eh!

        As for all You jew lover types?..Listen up. No better yet READ up on your bibles. The new testement,I believe it is Paul as writer, tells us all that “There is NO LONGER and xtra bennifits to being a jew…NOR A GREEK(gentiles) NOR a Man Nor woman!….Christains Replaced them so called “Chosens” with the NOW “ELECT”…Got it?

        Besides NO where in the bible does it state to “Bless the jews”…God blessed Individual men such as Abraham and Isiac and jacob…All these pastors BS of twisting and Out of contextual verses to get YOU to believe such crap only works to KEEP them Phony Preachers Loaded with CASH$$$ and several got FREE jet Planes etc!

        Your types folks need to Read what the bible says about NOT letting Judiazers try to convince YOU to go BACK under the OLD Law(old testement etc)…Thats not talking of the Ten comandments. But IS speaking of all the Rest of it.

        Why do so many idiots like You twist what a person says or writes, then call the person a nazi or hater or whatever?….Are You too good for This planet or what?

        None of you types ever READ or LEARN what you speak of…Just always base it on EMOTIONAL or FUZZY Feel good thoughts or feelings….Like that old song…

        Feelings!!…NOTHING More than….FEELINGS!!! All ya got is FEELINGS!!…….Well thats fuckin real SWELL PAL…

        Come back to me when you Educate self with Facts ok….And if you decide to call me a hate monger or racist because I prefere to stick with White ladys?….Go ahead on if it makes you feel good.

        PS in several areas in the bible God says to MATE with OWN Kind….God said it…Is He also a Racist or antisemite?…pss 95% who today call selves a jew, have ZERO “semitic” in themselves or their DNA!!!

        100% of all them ARABS, jews and it seems YOU too Hate so visiously DO have Semite DNA!!! so Whos really an “ANTISEMITE” NOW EH?

        Ok enough for now…Go listen to more crap pastors BS so you can come back at me with no facts and More emotional bs…..LOOK at that post again…Lists name of JEW who wrote of holyhox lies etc…A…JEW wrote that NOT me idiot!

        One more thing almost forgot…Braveheart…It was JEWISH Russian Bolsheviks 20 yrs BEFORE Hitler or Nazi era who TAUGHT germans such brutality etc!!! JEWS Invented Communisim…Not germans or nazis…Russian JEWS did.

        Perhaps it is YOU need read about Them horrers commited by JEWS against White Christains, and to Over 100 Millin!

        100% of that stuf is REAL and Proven..Unlike fantasy jew cooked up $$$ swindlers with all that holyhox bs.

        Your grandpa was real good if he can tell from a huge pile of Dead Naked bodies if they were jew or not eh?

        I bet like You he believed whatEVER he was told eh?

        Lots of folks is like that braveheart…In fact vast Majority will believe whatever their told…..Then there are us who require Facts and proof….I Hope to see You amoung Us someday…

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    70. braveheart says:

      Noneya, welcome aboard. We are a prepper website. Although we have a few idiots on here, 99.9% of us are serious individuals who live in the real world, know extraordinary events are coming our way, and are here to share tips and information and help others. We’ll be happy to help you with info on any survival sublect you bring up. Don’t be afraid to ask. Best wishes with your prepping. braveheart

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    71. JustOneGuy says:

      Community Service Announcement…

      At approximately 18:14 UTC today a solar flare registering at M-9.0 was recorded by the NOAA GOES satellites. The flare ordinated from a region just beginning to rotate onto the visible solar disk in the South-East quadrant. This is a large flare, but NOT enormous. It is, however the largest flare event recorded in approximately 5 months and may signify that the previous period of sub-normal solar quiescence is ending. Rouughly an hour ago a second, smaller flare was recorded which reached near M-Class levels. Inasmuch as the Sun appears to be becoming active again it might be useful to some few here to have access to a listing of relevant links through which they might monitor solar activity directly. I have found the following to be the most useful, ‘user-friendly’ links available web-wide.

      Useful Solar/Terrestial Links

      Primary Data Feeds:

      NASA SDO, The Sun Now – Stunning Solar Imaging;

      http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data/

      JSOC – Joint Science Operations Center HMI Feeds

      http://jsoc.stanford.edu/data/hmi/images/latest/

      Near Real-Time Sensors:

      NOAA X-ray 1 minute plot (last 6 hours displayed)

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_1m.html

      NOAA X-ray 5 minute plot (last 72 hours displayed)

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_5m.html

      NOAA Proton Flux (last 72 houes displayed)

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/pro_3d.html

      NOAA Electron Flux (last 72 hours displayed)

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/elec_3d.html

      NOAA GOES MAgnetic Flux (last 72 hours displayed)

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/mag_3d.html

      NOAA Boulder Magnetic Flux @ Boulder, CO.

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/bou_12h.html

      NOAA – Space Weather Now, Current space Weather Conditions;

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/

      Rice University Current Solar Wind/Terrestial Effects;

      http://mms.rice.edu/realtime/dials.html

      NOAA Polar Auroral Oval Imaging – North

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/OverviewN.html

      Aggregator Sites:

      Solar Terrestial Analysis Daily Precis;
      http://www.solen.info/solar/

      SolarHam, a supremely useful site which aggregates feeds from a wide variety of sources;
      http://www.solarham.net/

      ARTIS – A mega-aggregator site…slow to load on anything but a fast connection

      http://solarimg.org/artis/

      SolarMonitor – a site which allows for rapid access to text and imaging data chronologically

      http://www.solarmonitor.org/

      Hopefully, the formatting won’t be destroyed in the cut-and-paste op…it’s site dependent it seems, so cross your fingers. The two flares today are the first serious activity we’ve witnessed in some time. If memory serves me here it’s been somewhat more than 5 months since we’ve seen anything much in excess of M-5.5. For those of you out there who’d like to follow these things but don’t have the time to track them down this might help…there are more links but most are ‘user-UNfriendly’ even for those accustomed to digging for data. Additionally, the following link is offered to help clarify the questions relating to terminology used;

      http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/info/glossary.html#eruptiveprominence

      Infinitely useful for all that ‘jargon’ that is used that no one bothers to explain. S’nuff for tonight… enjoy, be safe everyone.

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    72. David says:

      I just had a conversation with someone that hates Obama because he wants to attack Israel, help the Iranian terrorists and take over America…I didn’t even know what to say afterwards. Apparently this information came from listening to his christian radio station. How does one even respond appropriately to something so incredibly wrong? This person takes their faith very seriously and believes anything that comes out of a “believers” mouth.

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    73. HalfKin says:

      I remember the cleaver family,
      kinda lived it growing up.
      I have an abundance of food flow into my house from different sources that I share and donate regularly.
      Everything I eat is grown within a few miles of where I live and the electricity is still on, the water still flows and the toilets still flush.
      Running water! And indoor plumbing! And natural gas heat by a switch on the wall! A meaningful job, loving family and a few good friends!
      It may end tomorrow or after I die, but for now, I am living the good days of abundance even if they are more expensive than last year or last month.
      Don’t get me wrong, I am not squandering these abundances, I am using them wisely while they exist and loving those around me as much as is humanly possible.

      We found a flat screen TV on the street wrapped in plastic and brought it home. In the upper corner there is a small spot of funky pixels. Most times you can’t notice it.
      I gave it to my daughter and now my grand daughter thinks they are rich because she can watch her movies on a large flat screen!
      She is young enough to not realise just how incredibly rich she is, in many ways, even though she lives below the poverty level of this country.
      Enjoy the air while it is still breathable and the earth while it is still walk-able.
      Thanks Norse Prepper.

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    74. JustOneGuy says:

      5.3 @ King City, CA. JUST happened – just south-east of Salinas. BI, this one was DEAD-on the main San Andreas…methinks don’t look good for our California brethren.

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    75. asian prep says:

      made dinner, rented a movie and enjoyed it with the wife and the runt. if the good old days are over, make the good today count. i show my love to my girls and i make sure they understand that i am going to fight tooth and effin nail to keep them safe. FROM ANYTHING. to the best of my abilities. i don’t kid myself that times will turn for the worse soon, but i don’t let that ruin the perfectly good life the we three are living today. we have shelter, food and clothes on our backs. we have what we need and isn’t concerned with filling our lives with bullsh*t iphones and reality tv. i am happy and content now that we three can still enjoy the simpler things in life. don’t let the thought of a collapse of anything turn your heart to black. if you do then they’ve already won. just my 2 cents.

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    76. JustOneGuy says:

      Addendum to previous;
      13 ea magnitude 2.5 or less in 17 minutes near or at King City then the larger quake….

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    77. JRS says:

      DK…Why do you constantly talk down to everyone? I enjoy your take on financial matters, but just because you may or may not have a “formal” education in finance doesn’t mean you are always correct. The financial system you are always touting here is based on infinite growth.Is it possible to have infinite growth with finite resources?The global economy is based on cheap oil. What about EROEI? You can’t have contnual growth in population and all it takes to support it without cheap oil. Without continual growth your beloved fiat economy FAILS.

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        @JRS…

        It’s pretty obvious that DK has been schooled in the Keynesian theory of economics, that basically follows the line of reasoning that you can borrow your way out of debt. It’s the same reasoning that has given us the mess we are in.

        And I agree with you….the arrogant attitude of “I’m smarter than you ’cause I got more education” is getting really old. I come across these pinheads all the time.

        They’re idiots who understand nothing when it comes to how the world really works and ignore literally thousands of years of human history.

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        • durango kidd says:

          Walt: I have never said that I believe that We should borrow OUR way out of debt. But yes, I have a classical business education. Use it to your benefit.

          Am I trying to sell you gold or silver? Am I trying to sell you preps? Am I trying to sell you my latest CD or my newsletter for $49 a year? With three FREE reports? :-)

          I have only tried to explain what the FED is really doing and what the real implications of those actions mean for US.

          If you are offended by my explanations because you do not understand that you are being manipulated by Alt Media who profits from your fear, or LSM who profits from your stupidity, I don’t give a fuck! Be a mushroom: live in the dark and eat the BS that is fed to you!
          :-)

          You have opinions but you have no arguments.

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      • durango kidd says:

        JRS: Don’t think “cheap oil”. Think cheap energy. Still, there are hundreds of years of existing oil and gas discovered within the USA at OUR current rate of consumption. That does not include additional exploration.

        Not to mention 300 years of coal. Not to mention unlimited sums of more esoteric energy sources waiting to be tapped and developed. WE do not have an energy crisis in this country. WE have a political crisis.

        Do your homework before you post to me and you will not think I am “talking down” to you.

        What is EROEI? I am neither for or against more population as long as those who have children can afford them without taxpayer assistance.

        The stars are within OUR grasp and WE must as a species,propel ourselves out among them, if only to survive as a species. Resources therefore are limitless and so is a measured rate of growth.

        WE are bounded only by OUR imagination and OUR application of it. Think BIG. Or at least bigger. Small minds are trapped by their own ignorance.

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    78. possee says:

      dk..

      “The banks themselves cannot keep up with the new applications for mortgage loans for example.”

      You failed to mention that 83% of mortgage applications are to refinance at historic low rates…

      Refinance application volume jumped to the highest level in more than three years last week as each of the five mortgage rates in MBA’s survey dropped to new record lows in the survey,”…Mortgage Bankers Association’s (MBA) Weekly Mortgage Applications Survey WASHINGTON, D.C. (October 3, 2012)

      That does not signal a recovery..

      Of course if you listen to the likes Larry Kudlow or all the other of his ilk across the msm spectrum..they all carry the water for a full blown Reagan era boom if Romney is elected.

      You might have insider or practical systems analysis as your expertise,but then again..all financial systems numbers are fudged to create the illusion that all is fine..

      Then again, all was fine according to 99% of all the expert economists,Wall Street CEO’S and the Federal Reserve Chairman days before the 07/08 collapse..

      A few notables cried wolf and were dismissed as gloom and doomers back then…well those same “dismissed” lone wolves are now joined by the ranks of hundreds more who were floor traders, former Lehman,Bear Sterns, etc ..

      and have been sounding the alarm that all is not well at all..and many times worse..(as most analysts and investors look the Dow Jones index, and not M2, as a marker)..but if one looks closer to the underlying actual money velocity..it is at the lowest it has ever been..lower than the last depression..

      You are much akin to the policymakers..you assume that the rest of us are stupid…

      I suppose the likes of Bill Gross(PIMCO)and many other global financial giants are all stupid as well..

      possee

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      • Walt Kowalski says:

        Very well said

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      • durango kidd says:

        Possee: I have never said or suggested that WE are in a recovery. I have been stating for quite some time that the real threat is DEFLATION as de-leveraging continues. Those posts are in the archives. Go back and read them.

        Nor have I ever opined about the intelligence of Bill Gross; one way or the other. I have stated, and I will repeat, that the level of understanding of many readers here, with respect to OUR money and banking system is woefully inadequate.

        And this is the reason that Americans are easily manipulated by the PTB. And that is exactly why Benanke can tell US that he is stimulating the economy by QE when it is only the continuation of the bank bailout of 2008-2009.

        And Americans believe it.

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      • durango kidd says:

        Posse: It doesn’t matter that the current mortgage blitz is based upon refi’s or not. Those refi’s produce income for the bank adding to national GDP, better credit ratings for the CDO’s manufactured from them, and those millions of people refinancing their mortgage are lowering their personal debt payments so that they can better manage their responsibilities with the income they have.

        No that does not signal a recovery in and of itself, but manufacturing is also increasing in America from its low baseline and car sales have increased as I suggested they would last winter. WE are not in a recovery, but WE are experiencing an uptick within the second leg down.

        I have never said that WE are in a recovery. read my posts. :-)

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    79. Rick:) says:

      I hate to admit using tv for info, but, the HC series about the men who built the US is great.
      1873, J.D. Rocke-dude is battling Mr.Scott over RR fees.Scott thinks he has JD over the oil barrel. JD shuts down an at capacity refinery in Pittsburgh, just to crush Scott. It works, and thousands loose their jobs. Riots,fires,destruction. Next week, Big Steel and guns, looks thrilling.
      The point is, societies have been going through “adjustments” forever. I think when it happens to us, we think it’s all new, and worse than ever.
      And by the way, our titans of business have nothing on the Guilded age boys. Makes our “stuff” look like kiddy games.

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      • greaseman says:

        you make a great point. history is a great teacher. everything that happens, has happened before. there is nothing new, only new degrees of chaos, and destruction. By any reasonable examination, this coming reset will be one for the ages. These so called elites are telling us what they are going to do, as in reduce the population, among other things. Don’t kid yourself, they plan to do this. Just get ready for the ride of your life, if you make it through.

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    80. KY Mom says:

      Bill Clinton at a campaign rally yesterday in Wisconsin…

      Clinton: It’s The Fault Of “Impatient” Americans For Not Knowing There Is A Recovery

      (www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Q4O5EG5HA)

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    81. Be informed says:

      Had a 5.3 on the Calaveras Fault in northern california. This fault is a tiny sister to the San Andreas and runs side by side to it. The Calaveras fault runs right through San Jose and branches off to the east of the Hayward fault. The Hayward fault runs right through downtown Oakland. Until someone zooms in the 5.3 earthquake looks like it is on the San Andreas.

      How is this important to the northern section of the San Andreas? First often before big faults breaks there are foreshocks on nearby faults, especially ones that run side bi side to each other. The San Jacinto down in the southern portion of the state runs side by side the sand Andreas as another example. This area is real close to the creep zone of the San Andreas. The creep zone is a buffer zone that has prevented MOST of the time from the entire San Andreas from breaking south to north. The difference between part of the San Andreas breaking and most or all of it is the difference between a great earthquake and a mega one. The difference between 3 minutes of shaking and 6 minutes. Something to watch, even the Calaveras as this fault going off could destroy most of San Jose and possibly set off the Hayward fault that is overdue to go off. The Hayward fault last broke in 1868 and the 1865 Santa Cruz earthquake was part of a double break.

      Oh, also had some more action in many different spots in the world, including now Iceland. The planet is alive!

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      • Live free or die says:

        Be informed,

        Do you have any thoughts on the report of New Jersey residents feeling what seemed like an earth quake but none was found to have happened. The reports say that some homes vibrated for about 15 seconds and residents were told it must have been a sonic boom. That just doesn’t make sence.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Live free or die. Normally a sonic boom feels like it came from above, an earthquake or other ground movement feels like it is right below you, even side to side earthquakes. This area is prone to earthquakes, as New York has had some major ones in the past. Sometimes a seismograph will not pick up an earthquake because it was too shallow, too far away, whatever. This is why the USGS has a a link on their map that says “felt something not on this map?” Report it here. A sonic boom normally will not shake a home for 15 seconds, maybe 5 seconds maximum, unless there were several different objects causing many sonic booms.

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      • JustOneGuy says:

        Thanks for the clarification BI,
        Seismic is not my forte, Solar is. I’ve watched the stress/strain clearly building in the arear’s both north and south of the ‘Big Bend’ area (LA) ever since all that activity down near Brawley, CA but since I don’t regularly track such it’s difficult to be able to place these occurances into a proper context. THAT’S where it’s a relief to hear from someone who DOES know how to adequately interpret (properly frame) the circmstance. The ongoing lack of stress/strain relief in the LA basin is worrisome still.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ JustOneGuy. At first I though also it was on the San Andreas, and knowing the location I thought it was on the creep zone. I zoomed in and found it was a little to the east. The USGS does not have the Calaveras fault on their map, so I had to look it up on some of my own seismic maps. It is the very southern point of the Calaveras fault, but it is on that fault. Had it been on the San Andreas it would have shown that there was a good possibility of when the southern portion breaks and continue to the central portion, it could have continued on to the northern part and went all the way, whic is about 750-800 miles long.

          When Brawley earthquakes occurred, they as in the News, told everyone it was on the Brawley fault. However it was actually not, but more likely on a branch of the San Andreas that has not visible, like the buried thrust faults. I try very hard to find out the actual facts behind everything from geophysical to politics to anything else important. When something is wrong I try to point it out and show others why. This is what one of my best college professors use to do and I respect this individual much for this.

          I still think that the San Andreas is so locked that it will take a push from the south or an opening to the north that it can move into until it breaks. The San Andreas is like a triple trailer semi rammed upside a mountain wall, with its engine still running trying to break loose. Something from the south pushing it could do it, something from the north releasing the pressure there, or a strong enough movement from the east could do it. The southern San Andreas broke about 1700 the time the Cascadia fault to the north broke, and the central San Andreas broke in 1812, the same year the New Madrid broke. Coincidence, NO WAY.

          You are right about the lack of strain in the LA basin, this I have noticed is a precursor to large earthquakes there, especially the Northridge and that 7.1 desert earthquake about a decade ago there.

          The issue I cannot believe is all the different spots for earthquakes around the world. I cannot remember a time when there has been this many different areas having all these moderate earthquakes. The map is only for 7 days, if someone were to see it for 10 days it would be even more pronounced. Something very big is coming, this I am almost sure of. That line from the Soloman Islands to Tahiti, even poor New Zealand is still very primed for a large shaker.

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    82. BaaBaaBlackSheep says:

      Globalists Plan to Nuke America

      Got Fallout Shelter ???

      http://www.infowars.com/globalists-plan-to-nuke-america-revealed/

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    83. Satori says:

      very interesting article on what the sun is up to

      http://labs.huffingtonpost.com/highlights/quote/2967673/

      “Recent research indicates that the sun has secretly been sending vitally important messages to piles of radioactive medical waste. No joke. Physics and engineering professors from Stanford and Purdue have come to believe that the Sun is tipping us off in advance as to when the next big solar blast is going to hit our planet. It turns out that certain radioactive isotopes, including manganese-54, which is used in medical diagnostics, begin to decay more slowly 24-48 hours before a flare erupts on the Sun, and therefore a good three or four days before fallout from that flare hits the Earth. And once this solar storm hits, if it’s big enough, it could change life as we know it.”

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    84. Satori says:

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-21/meet-billionaires-behind-best-presidents-money-can-buy

      “Meet The Billionaires Behind The Best Presidents Money Can Buy”

      now everyone be sure and cast your vote
      because we all know that it is “we the people” who decide

      (sarcasm off now)

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    85. Rev. Ike says:

      LAST!

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    86. Sixpack says:

      The only way we will rise from the ashes to become a free nation, is if the elite (that did this) somehow don’t make it through. As long as they live and try to control everything, we will NEVER recover. Never. We will never be FREE.

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    87. spidermonkey says:

      There is something we can do— Join the Constitution party, the Oath keepers, or any other group that is making attempts to restore the constitution to the forefront of U.S. politics and stop this runaway train. Do not simply give up and go “gentle into that good night” No rise up and stand up!!! Simply refuse to accept unconstitutional powers and spending and regulation throught non-violent resistance.

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    88. When a nation turns it’s back on it’s Judeo Christian foundations and embraces cursed and perverted things,God gives us an evil destroyer to lead the nation to where He is taking it and that is why we have B. Hussein Obama.
      The light is gone and darkness has filled the void.

      The wicked shall be turned into hell,And all the nations that forget God.
      Psalm 9:17

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    89. Dman says:

      I’ve been seeing headlines like this one at this place for years now.

      So, when is it going to happen? Cry wolf much?

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    90. CelticNana says:

      Hi Norseprepper,
      This is one of the best articles I’ve read here. Cautionary without being hysterical, realistic about the future, with an element of eventual hope. I think you’ve said what so many of us here truly feel, what we know is going to happen. It will be long years and so much harder than I think we can even imagine. But maybe we will finally be what we can and should be, and not just settle for the dross. Misneach, fianna.

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    91. Stephanie S says:

      I have relatives in Danville, CA–in Contra Costa County about 30 min. east of Berkeley and Oakland. They are on the Calaveras fault. There was a 3.4 on it about 3 am one night when I was up there last year. They told me they get small earthquakes like that “a lot.” I was really scared because I went through the Northridge quake in L.A. back in 1994. This Bay Area one was near Alamo and quite a sharp jolt. We certainly don’t get quakes like that routinely in the San Fernando Valley in L.A.–I was surprised at their “no big deal, go back to sleep” attitude.

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    92. wisefool says:

      Using a Bible verse at the end ‘implies’ he believes it to be the word of God. The problem here is what he describes sounds like a world without God, or more specifically, a world without the 800 lb. gorilla every Bible believer sees coming. It’s called end time prophecy, where assuming we are headed to end times, which many Bible believers agree on, there is only one solution. Christ. There will be ashes, but the only thing coming out of it is the millennial kingdom where Christ reigns. Not a place where the community ‘good guys’ get to start over.

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    93. Frank Thoughts says:

      I see more and more people covered in tattoos, wearing sloppy, ill-fitting clothing (high-waister jeans – puh-lease!), obese etc. Get some self-awareness and realise you look like a grub and that will not help you in keeping your job or getting a new one.

      Think you are going to get laid off or fired, go out and buy some nice clothes, get some trendy, designer glasses (it will make you look smart), get fit, get a new hair cut: in short, look smart and tidy and you will be in the top 10 per cent in no time. Oh, and for God’s sake go and buy some decent books to read to expand your mind. You can pick up great books in used book stores.

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    94. After reading the items posted here,
      I have come to this conclusion. Devide and conquer applies. I understand everyone has an openion but unless we learn to stick together for what is right we are finished. Stick together patriots.

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    95. Aaron says:

      I have to say that the amount of people who just decide to “pray” instead of taking responsibility for a problem and trying to find a solution is damn discouraging. Blind obedience and mass distraction, including god, church and division with other human beings over religious beiliefs is what caused the majority of these problems in the first place. If you want to remain breathing on this planet, “praying” is not a solution. Do you people not realize that Christ is just a solar messiah in a long line of solar messiahs? He was preceeded by dozens of other messiahs from other systems of beilief that shared many of the same traits. That my friends, is not a coincidence and maybe you should skip church this sunday, open your mind and do some important research. I promise it will change your life and it’s not hard to discover. Once people start realizing their own power and start realizing that their life is not some omniscent diety’s passtime I beileve this world will be much better for it. You ARE THE AUTHOR. You ARE IN CONTROL. FORGET THE GOD DELUSION and respect the inherent liberties of your fellow man.

      Now feel free to call me a blashphemer.

      Thanks all.

      Aaron

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    96. Greg Grant says:

      I prepare. You are stupid if you don’t. My prediction though. Seriously. After Romney’s first term, we will be more than on our way back as the greatest nation in the world. I know most of you do not agree and I am not trying to start crap on here either, but come back in 4 and you will see I was right. Bye.

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