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    Spread the Wealth Around: 48.5% of American Households Receive Government Benefits; $6,640 For Every Member Of the Population

    Mac Slavo
    January 25th, 2012
    SHTFplan.com
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    Socialism sirens across America were blaring when, on the 2008 campaign trail, President Obama addressed taxpayer Joe ‘The Plumber’ Wurzelbacher’s concerns regarding excessive taxation. Mr. Obama, whose staunchly left leanings views were already a point of contention, responded by sayingI think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.

    With the way his message was delivered to his political myrmidons, many of the President’s supporters expected their quality of life to improve, and some even believed that the President would pay off their mortgages and put gas in their cars. In a way, they were right. The President’s policies have been designed to do just that.

    But, as many prescient clingers of conservative and libertarian principles warned at the time, spreading of the wealth would come with consequences. At some point, they warned, there would be more Americans collecting government benefits than there were Americans paying into the system.

    As the following overview via Zero Hedge demonstrates, we are very rapidly approaching this critical juncture.

    Nearly half of American households (48.5%) are receiving some type of government benefit, with an average yearly payment to every member of the population totaling $6,640. Of course, we know that not everyone actually receives these benefits, which means that one group of individuals is actually earning the money, while another group is being distributed a benefit that has been forcefully seized from someone else.

    It may seem like it’s working for now, but as former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.

    Nothing comes without a price, despite what the uninformed and ignorant masses may believe. By the time this is all over, there will be no wealth to spread around. In fact, there is no wealth to spread around now. As a country, we’re already $15.2 trillion in the hole (and rising at $1 million every 30 seconds) and that doesn’t even include the additional $60 trillion in unfunded obligations like social security.

    We’ve got scores of millions of people who are able to work but can’t find meaningful long-term labor, have given up looking, are working part-time, or simply refuse to be productive members of society. If the government is unable to provide stability to financial  markets and the economy as a whole, the situation will get progressively worse, and even more people will have no choice but to request assistance.

    At some point the mathematics simply stop working. In fact, chances are that the data above is a real-time concrete example of this. The system is already in breakdown mode, and we are just trying to hold, doing anything we can to keep it afloat. Printing more money to fund our spending needs, bailing out failed institutions that threaten to destroy financial confidence, supporting welfare programs to maintain social stability – all of these are clear cut signs that the paradigm as we have known it is crashing.

    What do you think will happen when the government can’t send that rent or food assistance anymore? Or, if prices rise so much because of inflation that the benefit checks are nowhere near enough to cover basic needs?

    Regardless of how and when it happens, one thing’s for sure. The relative stability, peace and quality of life most of us have had the pleasure of experiencing up until this point will soon be over.

    We can continue to hope for the change President Obama promised, or we can accept the situation for what it is, realize it is spiraling out of control and prepare accordingly.

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    1. I guessed I missed out.

      In all actuality, I like the fact that I have to depend on myself. Always have.

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      • miller/arizona says:

        It’s George Bush’s fault…

        http://www.art2superpac.com/livevideo.html…Come to witness LIVE coverage of Obama IN COURT, to produce his REAL birth cert., REAL college records, REAL adoption records…ALL OF IT …Should be interesting.

        BEWARE of another false flag ATTACK before Thursday?? Just saying. Ariel spraying has been going OVERTIME in the Colorado river basin, In case you were wondering….

        The Colorado river supplies drinking water to 30 MILLION people on the west coast…drink up people, it will all be over soon…

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        • From the Office of State Administrative Hearings

          Unfortunately, Fulton County has just informed us that we will no longer be able to use the courtroom in its complex for the hearing on Thursday. Therefore, we are moving the hearing to Courtroom 1 in our office at:

          230 Peachtree Street N.W., Suite 850
          Atlanta, Georgia 30303

          Please notify any other interested parties of this change. Please also let me know if you have any questions about the courtroom. We are working out the technological aspects of the hearing right now.

          Kim Beal

          Office of State Administrative Hearings
          Staff Attorney
          230 Peachtree Street, N.W., Suite 850
          Atlanta, Georgia 30303
          (404) 657-2820
          (404) 818-3725 (fax)
          kbeal@osah.ga.gov

          ~~~We are working out the technological aspects of the hearing right now.~~~
          I bet you are!!

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        • durango kidd says:

          MillerAZ: While “spraying” may indeed be occurring along the Colorado river there are specific breeds of misquitos that carry encephalitis and West Nile virus that spawn in fast moving water: it disperses their eggs.

          Additionally, this water is contaminated by microbes that will eat your brain if ingested through the nose.

          Watch where you swim and what you drink. Just saying everything the government does is not a false flag; or intended to harm US. Still, OWTFH! After a speedy trial of course.

          All in favor say, “Aye!”

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          • Mosquito spraying the the winter???

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          • durango kidd says:

            C: I am not an expert in mosquito larva. Phoenix was 75 today. The towns and cities along the River are typically warmer.

            WE have people dying here in Phoenix from West Nile virus.

            Then there is a bacteria that has been found in Lake Havasau and the Colorado River that CAN kill you if it reaches your brain by ingesting it through your nasal passages.

            Rare but real. Use your pool.

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        • miller/arizona says:

          After living here for 12 years,I have NEVER see a single mosquito EVER. Yes there is a microbe that will eat your brain, There have been about three cases in a decade, SO spare me the mosquito theory……500 flights this year, spraying horizon to horizon..DAILY? Yeah it’s probably the dreaded desert mosquito we are being protected from..How foolish of me….

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          • GoneWithTheWind says:

            With that many flights spraying (something?) it should be easy to get some video with close-ups of the tail number. Please post on youtube and let us know where we can view it. I’m betting there will be no proof…

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          • miller/arizona says:

            Are you kidding me?? REALLY?

            Do yourself a big favor and go to chemtrailforecast.com

            OR strangedaysstrangeskies.com….YOU TELL ME…Or you can just look up asshole, It’s happening everyday right in front of your face. TAIL NUMBERS?? there are no tail numbers..THATS THE POINT!!

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          • miller/arizona says:

            Go to youtube yourself…have a look around..Who knows you might learn something, But I doubt it…

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          • miller/arizona says:

            Just got back from picking up my new Sony slx2000 video cam w/telephoto lens…Ill be sending you some “tail numbers” for you to run through your super-secret tail number database. I hope you can put my mind to rest with your Data….Windy?? Good name for you…

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          • durango kidd says:

            Miller/AZ: No mosquitoes in 12 years? Must be from all the spraying!!! :-)

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      • Gods Creation says:

        Everyone should get every benefit they can from the corp. If you have a number and a license you are forced to use, then you deserve the benefits offered to such slaves.

        Not one penny of money that pays these benefits came from anybody here. Your “tax dollars” pay interest to the banksters and nothing more.

        Get what you can from the corp while you can. I bet many could qualify for food stamps they do not get. Let the corp help you prep.

        Quit paying the banks anything and collapse their fraud, then watch the corp collapse right along with it.

        This is war folks. Either freedom will win, or the banksters and their corps. Anything you can do to drain resources from either one will help.

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        • Uriel says:

          Live by or get money from the gov’t? God said thou shalt not steal from any other and it is stealing from children, grands and greats when you accept the free-be’s like food stamps. It comes from the future; we spend their money now whilst they pay for it after their born. Its one thing if what you are saying is ” hey since I paid in I should at least get some of my money back while I can”, but most don’t do that they just keep taking the free shit and never stop. Why do think the politicians put a limit on the free crap anyway? Two reasons they don’t have the money to keep it up and too mant pricks that won’t do anything but accept others money(from the future). Basically lazy fucking thieves.
          I comend all of you who live on less without taking from the future generations; Salute.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            Uriel,

            You mistake the fraudulent currency before you as money that will need to come from somewhere to be paid by future generations. That is the con the Banksters want you to believe.

            If you accept the “benefits”, you are merely taking back something the banks and corp have already stolen through the control of the creation of money used to buy it.

            If that fraud is not stopped, your children and grandchildren will have nothing for the corp to take but their bodies and physical labor. Those things are real, not the paper.

            People, Financial War has been declared against you. If that war is not won, the next war for your body and soul will soon start.

            Quit pretending you can “do the right thing” in the midst of the corruption and economic fraud you live in. In this case, the right thing perpetuates the enemy’s ability to stifle your rights and financially rape you.

            THE BANKS AND THE CORP MUST BE STOPPED

            Be a drain on the resources and stop paying the banksters corp half of what you make. They have declared Financial War against you, so you must fight the financial war they have started.

            If you are fighting the wrong war, and the wrong enemy, you will lose, as will your children and grandchildren.
            I would rather have an answer when they ask me what I did to break the banksters monopoly when they had the world enslaved, than to ask my why they still are slaves.

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          • Uriel says:

            Gods creation I hear what you say, however I took most of the money, paper or digital and turned it into tangible a long time ago. It is semantics in terms of the money. The banksters give money from thin air now, but expect the future generations to pay back the money with interest with their labor, yes a ponzi scheme but the future generations get stiffed because of us. I will agree to disagree with you on the specifics but agree in the principle of what you say. I do say the corps should be destroyed as they are not human, they are for all intensive purposes golems.

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        • Peregrin Took says:

          Not very sound advice. Taking from the “corp” makes you beholden to the corp. I’d rather keep those a**hats out of my life (and my family’s life) entirely.

          Plus there’s the issue of your moral integrity. Yes, it’s tempting to reach out and take money that’s just waiting to be taken, but the problem with doing so is that welfare insidiously changes your personality into something else entirely. I can’t imagine any freedom-loving individual taking welfare and not changing into a dependent who feels they are owed something. In fact, that’s what the “corp” wants. They want to make you a dependent.

          Then again, if you feel you’re strong enough to take welfare and not be changed by it, then whatever. That’s up to you. But I wouldn’t recommend it.

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          • Gods Creation says:

            PT

            I don’t take anything from the corp, but I have none of its papers and do not rely on it for “money”.

            Others out there are forced to use numbers and submit to the private law of the corp. In exchange for their slavery, they are offered benefits.

            If you are a slave and have corp papers, licenses, and numbers, then whatever benefit you qualify for you should take. You have given yourself up to a condition of slavery for the privilege of doing so, and it will hasten the demise of your master, possibly opening up the door to freedom for your children and grandchildren.

            It is not a Moral issue when only one side has them. Morals can not be lost within a fraud. If you are stuck within a fraud by force, there is no immoral act that you can take to extract yourself and weaken that fraud.

            We are at war with the banks. When enough people realize that, the war can be won. If too many remain “sleeple” about the true enemy, it will be lost.

            It is not enough to wake up to the problems, you must be awakened to the cause and act accordingly to stop it.

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      • I don’t think you missed out on anything. When you depend on yourself you rarely get let down. I love your Airstream, by the way.

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      • durango kidd says:

        The data Mac supplied is just the tip of the iceberg; that doesn’t include the trillion dollar subsidy that BIG OIL gets every year, or the $300 billion subsidy for China under MFNS, the $100 billion subsidy for Mexico under NAFTA, the tens of billions of dollars in tax subsidies every year for multinationals who pay NO taxes, or the $300 billion WE spend on illegals every year.

        Yes, it is high time We end welfare in America. Good leadership always sets the example so lets cut the perks for Congress. They get the same retirement and medical care programs that WE get.

        All in favor say “Aye!”

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    2. DomesticTerrorist says:

      This is why I refuse to get gov’t benefits. I can live on $3000 a year, and have on less, out of the last 4 years, I think my average gross was about $5k/year. You just learn to adjust downward and when you learn how to, it’s a great feeling of freedom. If you dare to improve yourself, dare to get a job or a car, you can get into some really deep doo-doo and people on benefits, tend to have to arrange their lives around getting benefits as a lifelong career. No, thanks!

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      • REB says:

        Agreed! I can make it on $100 a month….havent gotten a paycheck since 06…wife just lost her job…we could get alot of bennies just by asking…but thanks to God and years of knowhow, hell will freeze over first!

        I aint askin nobody fer nothin if I cant git it on my own…if you dont like the way Im livin, you just leave this long haired(once upon a time… :) country boy alone…Charley Daniels

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        • TBONE says:

          If you can live on 100 bucks a month, more power to you.
          But for God sakes stay down wind from the rest of us!!!

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          • REB says:

            HEHEHE…Good one…
            I take a bath once a month whether I need one or not… :) Seriously a buck will buy 3 bars of Irish spring so poor doesnt equal dirty,Ive met rich people with crust behind their ears and an odor terrorists would kill to use as a weapon…besides I have enough soap stashed to last an army for years.

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          • LOL

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      • RafterManFMJ says:

        Wrong attitude domestic T.

        Let me ask you, can a tick kill an Elephant? No? How about 300 million of them? Get EVERY dime you can, and the more who do so, the faster we can destroy this lumbering .gov leviathan.

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          I understand the concept, called “bleeding the beast” by some. But I don’t think it’s all it’s washed up to be – who feeds you, owns you. A much bigger harm to the Beast is to be able to exist without its support.

          This is why the gov’t hires people to go around and push people to get food stamps.

          A typical working-class stuff pays 40% of their gross income into taxes. Working at Subway Sandwiches, say making $20k a year, that’s $8k they’re paying the gov’t for the right to exist. By the time you factor in car, work-clothes, the right shoes (on yer feet all day) etc. etc. that sandwich-stuffer is making in real terms, maybe $3 an hour. Do the math, I’ve done it over and over. $10 an hour less 40% means $6 an hour, prolly $25/day going into car, lunch, clothes, that coffee at the end of the day when they’re really tired …. $3X8 hours = $24, half of that precious $6 an hour that’s left after taxes …..

          They’re working to make everyone ELSE rich! The car ins. co. The mechanic. The uniform co., gasoline station, Starbucks mcD’s for that cuppa Joe at the end of the day….

          If that person can get around on a bicycle, grow at least some of their stuff, and find a way to make that $25/day average doing odd jobs, flea market selling, just a zillion teenager/wetback type jobs out there, they can live BETTER.

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          • REB says:

            Thats what Im sayin man! The bonus is being able to respect myself at the end of the day,and knowing that it makes(TPTB) them mad… cause as you said if they feed me they have some say in my life…I prefer to do without it then have it and lose my self respect….thats just me.

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        • And just which elephant are you trying to take down? You will take down the American government but that will just secure the power of those who are trying to use debt and welfare etc to destroy this nation. They know that they can’t force Americans to stand up and vote to become communist. But they can buy us into communism. They can make so many people dependant for government jobs, welfare, food stamps, medical etc that they will never vote against the cash source. They are doing just that. The New World Government will exist because of all the people who just wanted to get their free $!

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    3. clark kent says:

      It’s part of Obamanomics,Whatever it takes to get the vote.I do aprove of assistance to those who trully need help,and i’m not poking fun at them either.BUT on the other hand,i’m getting tired of paying the way for the lame and lazy.
      It is time for a change in Washington , starting at the top.Dont forget about the fact that eventually the printing press wont be able to keep up with this spendthrift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    4. clark kent says:

      DT
      That is why i visit this sight, to learn how to make it on little or nothing.I’m trying my best to get my house paid ASAP.I do get alot of usefull information from you folks and i Thank You.

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    5. Hammerun says:

      I suppose everybody watched the King tonight, delivering the state of the union. What was it an hour and a half? Shit; could have been done and gone in six minutes. Did anyone happen to notice his changed tone as he spoke? Like he so concerned about the country, jobs, the economy, the debt, that’s a new one for him. And he is reaching out to the republicans to work together as Americans. This bitch is doing what is said he was going to do 24 months ago; he’s pussying up just to get reelected. He is so concerned, BULLSHIT!! Those who buy into this are hopeless and blind or on the tit. The fourth story post below this one about the Fix being in. if there’s a fix it’s on him. Four more years of this asshole and we are done.

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      • Red Leader says:

        BHO could sell ice cubes to Eskimos.

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          I’m not an eskimo, but I don’t believe a word he says, never have. This may get me a slew of thumbs down, but I’ll bet 1/2 the posters on this site are on the government dole too. Most will deny it, but there is a reason why we are in this mess.

          I earn a nice paycheck every week and I spend it wisely. I have long beleived in saving and I have never felt the need to keep up with anybody. My wife and I live a simple life, we own our properties outright, pay our taxes and all the rest but I am getting tired of keeping up every Tom, Dick and lazy Harry. I should be president. I have had a budget every year since 1980, my credit rating is good and I give to my church. I don’t cheat or steal, that in itself makes me more qualified to replace Obama than Gingrich.

          This is the way I was raised, it seems normal to me , but apparently, I am wrong. Normal in america today is what I was taught to avoid as a youngster. I wouldn’t take from the government if I were starving to death. Don’t mean to offend anybody, but if more people felt this way, I think we would be ok.

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Highspeed, you are not wrong you are decent..

            I had the misfortune to be on benefits for a while..how I hated it.

            I am very little better off working a fifty hour week but I feel better, I feel useful, I feel worth of the odd treat I provide us with, I am setting a better example to my child

            Take care

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          • Anonymous says:

            No, he is wrong. 18 up, zero down so far as of 8:46

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          • Nope–never have been on the govt. teat—but, being self-employed, we aren’t on the giving end either.
            Know what I mean??
            Accountants–gotta love ‘em.

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          • Anonymous says:

            ‘this is the reason we are in this mess’ ‘i earn a nice paycheck’ ‘we own our properties outright’ sorry man i think you need to take another look at they way you see life in america. not everyone can say the things you just did. and don’t give me that ‘go get a job’ bs either. this country in this situation because of corrupt and treasonous leadership. maybe you don’t realize that MILLIONS of ‘i earn a nice paycheck’ jobs are now gone and more are disappearing everyday. don’t forget all the while the population is growing everyday too. you won’t be so smug when it finally hits you also. bottom line is if you think your high moral standards are gonna help anything your wrong. this is a planned take-down of america and you will not be insulated from it.

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        • Anonymous says:

          I know what you are saying RL but Eskimos are a lot smarter than all of the liberals and all of the congress. When is the last time you heard the president visiting Alaska. Or Shicago to visit his million dollar home. It was his world wide trip before even knowing that he was voted in as president that made me ashamed of him and the U.S. Fed Reserve.

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          • Uriel says:

            Anonymous, you are right the jobs thing is bullshit; they are few and becoming far in-between. Paying less and require more hours to get by (sounds like slavery to me already). Used to be (in the 50′s and 60′s) one person (college educated) working 40 hrs a week could support a family(wife and one kid) and own a house. It now takes two people working 50 hrs a week with college degrees to get by and if you want to have more 60 hrs a week or more, but then what kinda of life do you have? Try and take vacation and see if your boss doesn’t fire you? Too many people with not enough jobs causes less pay for all; plenty of man power to pick from. The american dream? Like Carlin said you have to be asleep to experience it and when you wake up it will turn into a waking nightmare. The truth is only for the sake of arguement that around 2 or 3 hundred folks a year become very wealthy; if that and they get that way by riding on the backs of the other 310 million here and a couple billion around the globe. The lie is that if you work hard and do your best you will be one of them. Brilliant propaganda; everyone believes this lie…Also most of those people that get super wealthy come from money to begin with. If you are poor and have little money you will never have tons of it. The laws for investors and banks, etc… preclude us peasants. Unless you learn to steal like they do and you must have a billion or so to start with forget becoming wealthy at least in monetary terms. No amount of morals will stop what has already begun to snowball into an avalanche of chaos…that should have been done a long long time ago.

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          Speaking as someone who probably can sell ice cubes to Eskimos, that comment really made me laugh.

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        • JustMe says:

          That’s quite offensive to Eskimos, you know…

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    6. CB3 says:

      Why can’t there be government aid for white males aged 25-35 that make 30k to 60k a year???

      Maybe I should renounce my citizenship then run across the border and back then I can get free healthcare at least.

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    7. clark kent says:

      We seen a Buck Ofama pep rally .The only union he adressed was any chance he got to toot his own horn.Did he actually sneak up and kill Bin Ladin ?(FUCK NO).He will be glad to take credit for it though.
      ONE AND DNE he gone!!!!!!!!!!!

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    8. Mariposa de Oro says:

      “We can continue to hope for the change President Obama promised,”…..ummm, he did promise to fundamentally transform the greatest nation on earth. I’d say he’s kept that promise. Problem is, he wasn’t the least bit specific as to what that entailed and the dumb masses just filled in the blanks with visions of sugar plum faires dancing in their empty heads. Here’s hoping we survive the ‘change’ he’s brought us.

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      • Slim says:

        I respect you by a great amount.

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      • I.................... says:

        I didn’t.

        I might be a dumbass (consensus anyone) but I am not apart of the dumb masses who voted for this change.
        2012 will be the first year I haven’t voted Libertarian (party) in so long, I can’t remember how long. But, I am still going to vote for a Libertarian. Even if I have to spell his name out on the ballot.

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    9. Matt Strictland says:

      A few quick points.

      #1 Much military and other government spending is also basically the same thing. Its unnecessary and it exists to redistribute spoils

      #2 As bad as it is, given the limits of American culture things would would be a lot worse without this.

      #3 The US cannot be another high export, high savings state. There are already an excess of them for the number of consumers and do to deficiencies in social makeup, the expected two billion extra consumers (China, India, Elsewhere) are not available for Western markets

      Think of it as prisoners dilemma if you like. Everyone has to pay good wages, use resources with care produce and consume to make the system work. There are far too many people stinting on one or more of these either do to social defects, lack of ability or shortsightedness.

      In the past you could remedy it by shifting trade to peers but all 1st world nations have rampant population aging . The US is not an exception, we are not socially a 1st world country and are closer to Brazil in structure. Even so we have some aging as well.

      What has to be done is work must shared (the workplace cannot support a 40 hour week) and some means to create good productive jobs for the 100 and less IQ set needs to be found. If we can do this we can fix the system for a while.

      If we cannot, well lots of good data here on this blog and get cracking with Food, Firepower and most important Friends and Family.

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      • Student of Life says:

        “#1 Much military and other government spending is also basically the same thing. Its unnecessary and it exists to redistribute spoils.”

        Thanks for clarifying this point. As soon as people hear the word welfare, especially anywhere that leans to the conservative side, the first thought is always a poor, non-white person milking the system. However, if we really look at who has gotten the most (the fewest getting more for themselves, then Wall Street and the Military-Industrial parasites win the Welfare Queen title without question.

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        • Grandma says:

          never heard of a welfare person creating a JOB either

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          • Student of Life says:

            True. But I also live near a lot of “Defense” contractors who create tons of jobs and who are quite proud of their “private sector” status, but who’s company has never made a single from anyone other than the government. I’m sure they will claim 100% of their work is extremely important and vital to all that is good and decent.

            Sorry if I see a blurred line between welfare and providing for the public and, defense and safety.

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          • Uriel says:

            Vampires or parasites would describe these individuals; but the real parasites are theose who make the laws that steal from the rest of us and their handlers(elites). The feeling that someone owes them something or entitled to it? Again how can anyone owe them a thing? I have always felt that begging for assistance is one thing(please can I have some change?) as it allows free will to used, but to sit back and expect others to give what they work and sweat/bleed for and then try to take it from them!, in some cases is insane. Anyone who forces the free will of another is self-righteous and frankly evil as it is but another form of domination over another(different version of slavery). Keeping in mind that those who recieve the free money from others will become dependant upon the giver and never be self-reliant. Also no one has ever been better off having anything handed to them, it causes lazy greedy spoiled beings(monsters). It also allows there to be a control mechanism in context of the assisted ones as they will fight politically and/or physically for things that are not theirs, an army of minions. Politicians have used these tactics for centuries to get votes and cause disruption in society to take or maintain control over the populations. Divide and Conquer.
            I am not one to say if there is enough resources for all here on the planet. It is the case that we have finite resources to use, however we create more and more people(over 7 billion); some would call that insanity. Since it is easier to say to kill a million then control them and the lethality of the weapons has gotten to the level that killing a million is easier than controlling them; what will happen? The only reality is that we create the context and events that occur by causing a large population to begin with. Nature balances things when they get out of line (50/50), we keep things out of balance with technology,artificial means, etc… We are all like vampires feeding on an organism(earth), parasitic in nature. Perhaps it is time time for a change? The war has always been about energy in one form or another….what we all fight about, that is.
            Oh last but not least, I have never seen the likes of a person on wellfare creating a job, except in the fact of there being a job for someone to take and redistribute the stolen money out to them (social worker), so in effect they take even more than what they just consume in food stamps, medical card, etc…
            Have compassion you say!? Help others!! I only help those who are first and foremost willing to help themselves and no others, only worthy individuals showing effort as it is most fair to do. If you wish to help all others then do so, but do it with your own money and resources, mother nature does it perfectly just like God intended. Don’t be a fucking thief!

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          • Uriel says:

            This opens the door for one more thing. Octo-mom? remember her had 8 children from artificial insemination. Had plastic surgery done her lips and face(several procedures)but then asked for assitance from everyone else here in the USA on TV she begged. She had some money but never enough to reasonably take care of the kids. Had a man who wanted to be with her and help but turned him down and then started whinning about having no money. Ah!!!! here’s where it gets good she was offered a half million doallrs to make an hour porno film but re-fused it even to take care of the children. Keeping in mind that these kids were brain damaged(premy) and needed special assistance as they got older. 8 kids and one mom who should never have had them, getting food stamps, medical cards, whatever. Thank god that there is a cut off for the benefits time and amounts. I mention this story as it is what finally pissed me off in context to others recieving wellfare.
            Why should we be resonsible for people and be made to pay for the bad choices and decisions of others in pursuit of hapiness? In this instance it should not be, kids should be taken away, she should be put in jail for criminal neglete for being selfish and expecting others to pay for her bullshit. Disagree if you want but she was a real Octo-cunt literally. Oh and what will the kids do since they are brain damaged???? No doctors or engineers there to benefit society, only a burden to all of us.
            What about the woman with the 15 children by three different dads? She says hey you all should pay for this and help out! Folks like this should be fucking fixed permanantly. The list of bullshit goes and goes for a long time………………..
            Worst part is that wellfare never helps anyone it only puts every one into debt under the guise of guilting others into allowing or not; to be done.
            If folks say act humane? How about folks act human and like they have a fucking brain, which is acting humanely. No more 15 kids or 8 or any other crap for that matter.

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          • Uriel says:

            perhaps there should be a limit on the kids that are allowed to be born like in China??? Then forced fixing of the parents. Fuck all ya want but don’t expect others to pay for your bullshit! Another thing if you choose to fuck everyone and get say for instance a disease (Hep A,B,C or otherwise) just fucking die for being a stupid prick and putting shlong or taking it with risky folks. No fucking accident there can’t be; girls or guys don’t slip and fall on or into the other person. While I am at this; those who use needles for various illegal things that get aids or whatever; die!!!! Fuck you pay for the shit yourself!! Pursue your happiness at your own expense. OH YEA I SAID IT!!!
            BE REPSONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN SHIT! Wipe your own ass………….

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          • Uriel says:

            hate it or love it; it matters not. It is what it is.

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    10. clark kent says:

      Powell, Ryan, Blagojevich,Obama.
      It’s got a Ring to it don’t it.Capone :The list goes on and on.

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    11. ponomo says:

      we are running on borrowed time……because of counterfeiters. attach liens on certain such……b4 it is too late or….

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    12. ninaorket says:

      Foodstamp Armageddon is coming… amerika already has the largest prison population in the world… cut folks benefits and you better start building more prisons, hiring more nwo.zionist.goyim.soldier.slaves (pigs in blue), and bring back firing squads in town squares… cause the “golden food stamp horde” wont just sit there and die of starvation quietly… CRIME WILL EXPLODE! NATIONWIDE!

      hmmmmm lets see… cut the traitorous cia MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES military spending, stop subsidizing the zionist jews of israel, stop terrorizing the world with illegal wars, stop bailing out illegally too big and fat to fail private banks , fat bankers and their trophy wives and the nwo oligarchy bilderboybugger zionists with trillions of dollars bailouts…

      or Cut Starving Poor Folks life line food stamps , fuel and rent assistance????

      hmmmmmm decisions, decisions???????

      What WOULD Jesus DO I wonder?

      note: Incarceration in the United States is one of the main forms of punishment and/or rehabilitation for the commission of felony and other offenses. The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. At year-end 2009 it was 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population.[4][5][6][7][8]

      According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009 — about 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[4][5][9][10] Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or on parole.[4] In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.[3][4][11] In addition, there were 86,927 juveniles in juvenile detention in 2007.[12][13]

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      • Anonymous says:

        Yeah, and half of them are black. The “It’s free, swipe your EBT” crowd. The black undertow is destoying the country. Just wait till the swipe does’t work any longer. At least the illegals collecting on the soon to be gone welfare programs will go back to Latin America, however, we are stuck with the black undertow!

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        • ninaorket says:

          the nwo.zionists already have plans for those people of color… they’ve the American Fed Gov CDC , U.N. W.H.O. intentionally designed Genetic slow Kill-Off drugs and viruses that attack those people of color – by their gene signature… like sickle cell edema, and other gene traits of people of color.

          http://scinfo.org/sickle-cell-disease

          or AIDS , which is “man made” by the way and deliberately introduced into the population as was done in Africa by w.h.o. u.n. too control the african population of blacks…

          http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm

          just as the american w.a.s.p federal government and canadian / british government killed off the indians of canada, betrayed the indians with small pox filled blankets, mass massacres, murders, starvations and other genocides!

          https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

          As did the Catholic Church do too the Indigenous Indians of Brazil and South America… so too will America “TAKE CARE” of AmeriKa’s Black Problem!” and other people of color…

          Iran-Contra NWO.zionist.goyim.soldier.slave Col. Oliver North USMC actually drew up for FEMA, designed plans “REX 84″ for the US Fed Gov too “TAKE CARE” of americas black problem in the 1980′s.

          On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA’s new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the “Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances.”

          http://www.oilempire.us/redalert.html

          http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

          https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Rex_84

          … and lets not forget “Lymes Disease” which is also “Man Made” , intentionally released into the general public… as is “CANCER” is “Man Made” and even encouraged by poison shots given out by our loving NWO Federal Government CDC and BIG Pharma Friends!

          so ummmmmmm… I say give the “Blacks a Break” , they’ve suffered enough in history at hands of “good christian” white men and remember it was GREEDY WHITE WASP SCUM who brought them here too begin with! ;0P pssszzt

          Open your eye’s folks… this is ALL TRUE! Your Government wants you dead! Eugenics is REAL!!!!!

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          • mike says:

            Lymes Disease has an interesting origin that deals with plum island and all the crap that goes on there.

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          • JustMe says:

            Ah Nina,

            I must correct you on one point. White people were not the first to bring African slaves to America. They may have “looked white, and spoke the lingo”, but we know about that, don’t we? But afterwards, yes, the lazy, greedy whites did buy them.

            As for your previous post, I only wonder:
            “What would Tom (B.) do?”

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          • ninaorket says:

            Wells @ infowars.com says

            KNOW YOUR ENEMY:

            January 25, 2012 at 5:55 pm

            From history:

            The Ashkenazi Jews, who migrated to Israel from Germany, while sympathetic to Communism and support it, tend to favour the practises of Nazi-style fascism. During World War II in Germany these elite Zionist Ashkenazi Jews worked closely with Hitler’s Gestapo in persecuting the lower class German Jews and delivering them to concentration camps. Now living in Israel, these elite Zionist Jews, who were well trained in Nazi-style fascism and favour it, have imposed many facets of fascism on Israel.

            Make sense now?

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          • commodester says:

            Have you absolutely lost your blooming mind!! What kind of idiotic nonsense have you been reading? You have been brainwashed by the liberal/progressive schools that you have attended. Alex jones is a proven nutcase with a big mouth……

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        • mike says:

          Anonymous: I can’t argue the statistics of minority incarceration. But I have a great deal of respect for anyone that is willing to work. Don’t care what their color is. I won’t get into the debate of who would do what job. I know as many worthless white people as I do people of color. I pay $20/hr to throw hay in the summer and cannot get a single high school student to come out in the fields. I don’t know that it is fair to blame our demise on blacks or mexicans, I think the problem is much higher up the chain. They have a share in the problems but so does almost everyone. Everyone whom has drawn SS, welfare, subsities, student loan (without paying back), cheated on taxes by using overseas accounts. There is plenty of blame to go around without pointing to one demographic.

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          Anonymous believe me, speaking as one with some good white-trash bona fides, blacks are, I’d say, 15% of the problem because they’re 15% of the population. Sure we see a lot of sensationalistic stuff on TV, and they *are* over-represented in crimes, but I’m sure “trashy” whites, maybe the data can be analyzed to single out whites who drive old cars, or work for less than X a year or something, would show an over-representation in crimes too.

          It’s not race, it’s culture.

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        Nina I’m not actually against food stamps, in any society no matter how “libertarian” there has to be some sort of a safety net. I’d like to see some kind of home economics training along with the Stamps, because a lot of the time they get spend on sodas, microwave pizzas, etc. Hire some decent cartoonists and put out Home Economics Comics, with decent cartoonists doing ‘em they’ll be fun to read so people will read ‘em. Cheaper than holding classes, hell, I wonder if I should do something like that myself? I could draw ‘em, scan ‘em, put ‘em on a site and make the copyright public, and encourage people to print ‘em out and give ‘em out, sell ‘em for a buck, whatever they want to do.

        Homeless people in many cites will sell a “homeless newspaper”, for generally a buck, they buy ‘em for 30c and then sell ‘em, I like that concept. The homeless papers I’ve read have been a real drag to read though. Depressing, if you’ve ever read a Communist magazine you know what I mean.

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    13. bugdoody says:

      The fix is in.Ray Charles could se this coming.Newt has to cancel a campaign stop the night before the vote in S.C. because nobody show’s up. Ron Paul has a 1,000 people in attendance and Newt wins in a landslide. What a joke. Obama wins hands down, he’s the PTB’S dream team. A socialist/marxist domestically and foreign policy wise another cog in the military/industrial machine. Enjoy this year, other than a “Black Swan” event we should probably muddle along until after the election. Then look for war in Iran, Syria, Pakistan and the S Truly HTF. Oh well in the end we’re just bug doody.

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    14. SmokinOkie says:

      I heard BO’s speech tonight. I normally don’t waste time on dog&pony shows, but I was driving out in the middle of nowhere and, what the heck, it’s free entertainment. As expected, just more of the same crap. The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth. Saying we need to get government out of the way and let entrepreneurs make jobs, and then 5 seconds later, proposing more gov programs. I turned on the BS meter and hooked it to the radio. 5 minutes into the speech, it was showing a steady 110%. 20 minutes into the speech, it sparked and burned out the circuits. So, this was officially, what we call in the BS meter business, a ‘doozy.’ Besides, I coulda given a better speech myself…

      Okie’s State of The Union Speech:

      Mr Speaker, Mr Vice President (sober up there Joe, and try to stay awake til I’m done), Madame Thunder…er, Secretary Clinton, distinguished guests, and other assorted riffraff from the vermin-infested cesspoool of Washington…and My Fellow Americans,
      It is with a heavy heart that I stand here, to tell you all of the state of our beloved Union. In a word–pathetic. Abso-freakin-lutely pathetic. Half of our citizens are so apathetic and ignorant that they won’t even tune in to see what their scum-bag politicians are up to. The other half are all scrambling to find a job. Or else they’re busy stockpiling toilet paper and ammunition for the coming shit storm that you evildoers have engineered.
      Rather than spend an hour outlining a plan to save the country, I believe I’ll just get out of here and go join that second half. In parting, let me just say to all you vermin in government: In the immortal words of that famous prophet and philosopher, Tony Soprano- ‘Payback is a mother.’
      Goodnight, and may God have mercy on the United States of America. (insert thunderous applause here)…

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      • 1happycountrymom says:

        Already got the toilet paper stockpiled………had more important things to do like dehydrate minced garlic. (I’m not kiddin’)
        Oh, and we don’t have TV……..just movies to run through the dvd player.

        KEEP PREPPIN’

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      • JustMe says:

        So, THAT’s why there’s a toilet paper shortage…

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    15. anonymous says:

      That was one hour, four minutes, forty five seconds I’ll never get back. Love your doo Gwen Ifill. PBS pay for it?

      You will stay in school until you graduate or become 18. What a joke. I thought “a child” was redefined with his forced health care.

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      • SmokinOkie says:

        I think she dies the roots.

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      • Odd Questioner says:

        “You will stay in school until you graduate or become 18. What a joke.”

        Oh, it’s no joke… the government wants their shot at fully indoctrinating your kids, and they’ll do anything to get it.

        Meanwhile, parents everywhere will consider it free babysitting, and everyone will be happy.

        (Meanwhile, I graduated high school at the age of 17 – what would the bureaucrats have done about that?

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    16. That Guy says:

      sigh :(

      When history looks back on U.S. (from the year 2050) what will it say about how pathetic we became? What will it say about how the “greatest generation” gave way to the “hand out generation”?

      Was this decline inevitable? Could it have been stopped?
      Are all great civilizations (e.g. Sumeria, Roman empire and British empire) destined to decline/fail?

      Must history repeat over and over?

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      • Quick says:

        “When history looks back on U.S. (from the year 2050) what will it say about how pathetic we became?” ———-I hope there are still history books then !!

        “What will it say about how the “greatest generation” gave way to the “hand out generation”?” —————— The “greatest generation” allowed FDR and LBJ to to make the prior generations mistakes even worse and set the stage for where we are !!

        “Was this decline inevitable?” —————————- Given the last 100 years of stupidity — YES !!

        “Could it have been stopped?” —————————– YES !!

        “Are all great civilizations (e.g. Sumeria, Roman empire and British empire) destined to decline/fail?” ———— Throughout history, YES !!

        “Must history repeat over and over?” ——————— It seems so !!

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      • Arkaden says:

        Oh come on, history is written by the victor. That means any history books will be government (whatever form that ends up being) approved and contain historic “facts” of how it’s all someone elses fault.

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      • Brushman says:

        Amazingly History is not a subject most prefer in this day and age, case in point, i will go good to Goodwill on alternate Saturdays, half price on those Saturdays, to browse the book selection,i can find thousands of fictional works,trashy love novels,Clancy,classical,supernatural genre,etc mostly garbage, and not find any books of well written history.
        You know the old saying “those who do not know History are doomed to repeat it”

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      • JustMe says:

        That Guy,

        I’m about to really upset some people…

        What you see today, is the result of “The Greatest Generation”, freely, willfully, and ignorantly handing EVERY institution of the United States of America, over to a relatively small group of parasites, who now OWN, and control this country.

        The “Greatest Generation” are the ones who said nothing as this country began to slide into socialism, after they handed the country to the “Left”, and their Owners. Then they whined about the decline, but stifled anyone who spoke out against the growing problems.

        My parents were in the “Greatest Generation”, and my father was proud that he dropped bombs on my family members in Europe…

        The “Greatest Generation” is the generation that killed America, and I hope they are proud of themselves.

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    17. AZ Ready says:

      Same shit, new day. Did anyone believe this speech would be any different?

      I’m tired again and it’s only Wednesday morning, January 25, 2012.

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      • Jimmy says:

        Listening to early parts of Obama’s SOTU speech last night it seemed like he was actually making fun of all of us. As if he was pointing all the things that are so wrong. The richer rich, the poorer poor.. the fkder fkd. Watching his wife roll her eyes, as if any of these problems affect her.

        I do not have the time or resources, but would’nt it be intereresting to see/study/record which Congress people just sat there, arms folded, facines frowning as Obama made good suggestions like … millionaires should pay at least the same tax rate as secrataries… or that there should be a law against members of Congress making money trading on inside info, DI YOU SEE HOW MANY OF THEM JUST SAT THERE!!! … They did not agree.

        How the hell can there not already be a law against Congress trading on inside info, and/or making money from sectors they help control?? It is disgusting.

        AGAIN… I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE (AT LEAST SEE) A COMMERCIAL SHOWING WHICH CONGRESS PEOPLE JUST SAT THERE, ARMS FOLDED, GRIMMACING AT THOSE GOOD IDEAS!!! THOSE WORTHLESS PIECES OF CRAP!!

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      • blackriflewarrior says:

        AZ Ready….WOW..I woke up this morning and felt exactly the same way. I’m sick of all the bad news. Why can’t there be ONE DAY were there is actually some good news? I was looking out the window last night while I was thinking about things and I thought to myself that this might be the last year I am going to be alive. I have no intentions of going to some FEMA camp or have my guns confiscated. I will go out in my sons names.

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        • countryboyseein says:

          There’s certainly no shame, in dying, standing up for what you believe. Your son’s and theirs, will sing your praises for the rest of their lives, as well as learn the true value of being a MAN.
          I have no intentions of going to any camp either, but if they force action on my part, I plan to charge them a heck of an admission charge to get me out of here!

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        • JustMe says:

          I will stand by you, Soldier.

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    18. I have lived off the land rather than take benefits, because I was able to. And during that period I ate very well. Fresh venison, fresh veggies, wild berries, milk from the local farmer and skim the cream, make butter shakin a glass pint jar. Trapping for cash money from the fur buyer. I didn’t collect foodstamps, didn’t have to use the Lone Star card…

      I was raised that way. We worked or when we were not working we worked at getting food, either way, WE WORKED.

      I missed most of the speech by the Obamanation, sounds like I did not miss much. Hopefully this one will be the last one we hear from the little marxist.

      I’m looking forward to the weekend, finishing one unit, maybe getting the second one very close to completion and starting on a brand new order as well as the other two I am working on.

      BTW…I know a 6 acre property with a completely redone older small home, in the Big Thicket Area of East Texas that should be coming up for sale. I believe the price is sweet, should be around 70k-75k, maybe a little more.

      Anyone interested email me through the lnlprotekt.com website and we will see what we can find out.

      Rock on peeps and God Bless us all,
      Terry W. Reed

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    19. Great line in there about “eventually running out of other people’s money”.

      Obama’s speech was “No Bailouts or handouts” then a few lines later promised more handouts.

      Here comes socialism everyone.

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    20. AZ Ready says:

      I see the thumbs down trolls are on here again!

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    21. Bill says:

      obama can kiss my ass

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    22. Silver Bean says:

      I’m surprised at all of the comments about this State of the Union speech. What surprises me is that several of you actually gave up over an hour of your time to listen to this guy you so correctly criticize. Did you really think you would hear about the dismal state of our country? Did you really think there would be any new proposals that will really make a difference. Time is just to precious to waste on a non-event like this. I put it to good use and kept working on preps as I have for almost 3 years.

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    23. Paul says:

      Pretty simple folks. If Satan is the father of the lie… then Obama is his favored son.

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    24. sittinguy says:

      It the new American dream.

      Get welfare, food stamps, section8, and a free cell phone.

      And guess what these dicks live as good as someone making 60k a year.

      it ain’t rite

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      • DomesticTerrorist says:

        Sittingguy I make less than $10k a year now and I’ll tell you, I live much better than I did grossing $70k a year. I was on a treadmill! Hellish long hours, tons of expenses, I was working and it was all going to other people. Finally the economy bucked me off and I went through the obligatory homeless period, it wasn’t too bad, I never ended up actually sleeping behind a 7-11 or anything, it was couches ,etc. Once you learn to live on *very* little, $1500 a year or so, it’s easier coming back up. But boy do I know more about gardening and animals now! And boy to I eat good! And I’m a lot less scared than I was when I was working my butt off. You could put me in a strange town, with the clothes on my back and nothing more, and I’d cope just fine. Most who are still part of the system would be petrified by fear.

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    25. Helping the poor is an area where the church has really dropped the ball, the government picked it up and ran with it, and now it is screwed up like everything else they meddle with. I must admit that when I was unemployed my wife needed an operation and the hospital did not want to do it unless we applied for Medicaid. They also gave us food stamps for that month which we were too embarassed to use.

      I believe that American’s are going to get every entitlement they were promised no matter which party is in control, but that those benefits will be paid in deflated dollars. Should the recently unemployed apply for benefits in an attempt to get some return on their tax dollar or let their children do without? Not an easy question to answer. In the past I did not seek unemployment benefits because I did not need them, but in this current economy with a wife and an infant, I might just sign up for everything I am ‘entitled’ to. If not accepting them last time worked, then the country would not be in the shape it is today.

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      • mike says:

        PP: There are peaks and valleys in everyones life journey. The system was set up to assist people while in the valleys. I take no issue with that. But like any system people find ways to abuse it and profit from it.
        A family down the road, when I was growing up, divided their trailer house into apartments so each adult could have a separate residence to recieve benefits. That is what crawls under my skin.

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      • NSBF says:

        PP, I take no issue with those that use unemployment benefits. We pay into those benefits and so do our employers. I lost my job 6 years ago, I had always been employed since the age of 18. I used my benefits and looked for work but when the the federal extensions kicked in and I had not found work, I chose not to apply for the extension. I did not want the Feds $$. I have since found work, not much, only 4 hours a week working with a developmentally disabled young woman. It gets me out of the house and since our time is spent with her volunteering in the community to improve social skills and gain work experience…it has personal rewards. You have a little one with needs to take care of and know one should judge you for doing what you have to do. Blessings~D

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          4 hours a week is still a job, it can build up to something more.

          Except for my first couple of jobs, I always got jobs by networking, who I knew. I’ve actually got 4 hours a week work now, but I do other things also and as I keep harping on, I live cheap.

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        • AZ Ready says:

          Unemployment is paid by the employer, not both the employer and employee. Also, the employer is then penealized by the state for having to pay the unemployment insurance bennies with a higher rating number.

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          • kevin says:

            AZ- your wrong about the employee part, the state I work in takes out some,its not much, but I do pay.

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          • AZ Ready says:

            Sorry Ken, but you again are the one that is wrong. I am an employer, I do the payroll and sign the checks. I pay for the unemployment.

            Read this;
            Here’s the word straight from the government:

            Purpose

            In general, the Federal-State Unemployment Insurance Program provides unemployment benefits to eligible workers who are unemployed through no fault of their own (as determined under State law), and meet other eligibility requirements of State law.

            Unemployment insurance payments (benefits) are intended to provide temporary financial assistance to unemployed workers who meet the requirements of State law.

            Each State administers a separate unemployment insurance program within guidelines established by Federal law.

            Eligibility for unemployment insurance, benefit amounts and the length of time benefits are available are determined by the State law under which unemployment insurance claims are established.

            In the majority of States, benefit funding is based solely on a tax imposed on employers. (Three (3) States require minimal employee contributions.)

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          • AZ Ready says:

            Sorry, it’s Kevin, not Ken. Only three of 50 states have employee contributions and they are small compared to the employer contribution.

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    26. kevin says:

      WOW! I paid many multiples of that plus the max SS. Tax day is a happy day for many in this country, not for me. I’m so tired of this $HIT! LET IT BURN!

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    27. kevin says:

      “some say a comet will fall from the sky, followed by meteors, and comets and tidal waves, followed by fault lines that cannot stay still, followed by millions of dum founded dip shits, and some say the end is near, some say we’ll see armagedon soon, I certainly hope we will, I should sure could use a vacation from this STUPID SHIT! silly shit, stupid shit” Tool LEARN TO SWIM YOU FREE LOADING PARASITES!

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    28. Kevin2 says:

      kevin

      As bad an unfair as it might be let this all fall apart and you won’t have to worry about income tax but more likely substance income.

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      • kevin says:

        I can swim, me, I’ll be ok, always have gotten by and always will !! I’m paying the parasite class to fiddle and I don’t like the song!

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    29. When I used to assist young people with their math or algebra homework, it was not surprising how many had a problem dealing with negative numbers. It was very confusing to have the traditional number line running horizontal across the page with zero in the middle and the negative numbers to the left and positive numbers to right.

      The best way I found to help these youngsters get a better grasp of the concept was to rotate the number line onto a vertical axis with the negative numbers down in a hole. It became much easier for them to wrap their heads around that one.

      It seems many Americans need this kind of understanding of the government’s negative standing in an economic sense which will leave many of them down in a deep hole…

      http://www.olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2012/01/great-correction-great-recession.html

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    30. The U.S. has turned into a dinosaur. We know what happened to them and the same will happen to us. Spend, spend, spend. Increase the deficit, get into another war and promise everyone even more chickens in every pot. Top it all off with us pissing every other country off in the world and now they are bypassing our petro-dollar and going to their own currencies. The banksters who control us are doing their very best to stop the transition and loss of control and we are having a Kodak moment. (Thanks to Gary North for the comparison) The U.S. was a great country with a great future behind us. This dinosaur/U.S. is going down, but not without a lot of thrashing around and collateral damage.
      I hope for political change and the ability to (thanks to Steve Jobs on this one) “Innovate our way out of this one”.

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    31. blkthorn says:

      All you got to do is f$$$ 9 months later you get the big bucks………

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    32. blkthorn says:

      I m sorry there r no poor people in this country they are lazy asses… just think if poor(aka lazy asses) people stop having babys there be no poor children.

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    33. MM2nuke says:

      Remember everyone to work hard and follow the new Obama Tax code OICU812 form… How much did you make?
      Send it all in to DC.
      The govt will give you back what they think you need.

      Good day all, bedtime for me.

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    34. scarecrow says:

      I do not want tne 50% of those who pay no taxes to be burdened by the 50% who do not pay their fair share! Barack Obama”s Marxist philosophy!And most democrats And republicans philosophy also.

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    35. Rusty Shackleford says:

      I do not like the person who spoke last night. I am however, a little worried. I am worried because as I write this to you all, I am making new lists of new priorities to prep, because it hit me like a ton of bricks last night. In November, when he is NOT reelected, we will get someone better in office. Then comes January, After who ever takes office, I would hope that millions of people are taken off of the government teet. When this happens, I believe in my very humble opinion, is when the SHTF will truly start. I love the idea of getting these free loaders off the system, but I am worried, because I have a ton of things still to prep on, and the time window is getting smaller by the day now.

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    36. iowa says:

      I make $8/HR, my wife $9HR. We’re better prepared for the HOUR than others who make much more. Thanks be to God for waking us up.

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    37. king crazy says:

      I was a lineman and made good money. I’ll bet I’ve paid over a quarter of a million in taxes (fed state property and the like) over the years. I am now drawing a pension and still paying. I got unemployment once but had to pay every dime back. (around $4000) I wrote them a check. I saved my money instead of frittering it away like a lot of the people I worked with. They are broke but I am doing ok. My point is I am fed up with freeloaders. I don’t get shit from the gov. One thing I notice is a certain demographic group seems to be driving fancy cars and living high on the hog while I still live within my means. Physically I am all broke down from hard labor and hurt all the time and I can’t even get pain meds. What’s the point anymore? What was it all for?

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      • kevin says:

        AMEN KING. It is good you can’t get meds, if you feel pain you know you are alive. I know many who are hooked on pain killers in their 40′s because the abuse a body takes in 25 years of construction, and it gets worse(as you know) for the guys with 35-40 years. I pray I am not on them in 15 years!

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        • Highspeedloafer says:

          I agree with you King. Pain is a reminder that we are still above ground. Too many people will do anything to avoid pain at any cost. Most nights I don’t sleep because of pain, and yet I have grown accustomed to it. It’s kinda like some of my life long friends who irritate the hell out of me, but I hope they all live longer than I do. Life just wouldn’t be the same without them. If I were on pain meds, I’d get off them before shtf.

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          • DPS says:

            Highspeed,

            If pain is a reminder that I’m still alive then I’m wide awake now.. LOL.. I’m a old MotoCross racer and will leave it at that, I can’t take pain pills either so I just live with the pain.Sad part is I still have a bike and do hit some of the races,

            DPS

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    38. Tired of it All says:

      I agree.. I am so damn tired of it all. My wife gets so pissed at me when I tell her we need a “Reboot” (I am in IT) of the whole system. I work my ass off only to have this jerk say i don’t give enough to lazy, useless people who just keep saying “gimme gimme gimme”. I pay a lot in taxes and have to see people who pay nothing brag about their huge refunds they get. Man, I get pissed at that. Pay nothing, get a lot. Pay a lot, get screwed.

      I realize if the system crashes completely that most of us here may regret it, but it is just so damn tiring seeing the same thing over and over each day.
      Luckily we have been prepping for the past 24 months. I may not make it, but i’ll go down swinging.

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      • VRF says:

        I hear what your saying, worked my ass off family of 3 I didnt get shit last year, someone I know personally family of 4 and he got a boat load of money and he made less than I, and paid less taxes then I, how the fuck is that?

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        • DomesticTerrorist says:

          One thing I recommend is, get a good accountant. If you’re working, got family, kids, house, etc you can’t do your taxes no matter how smart you are. Pay a good accountant his $500 to do ‘em and he’ll find stuff you never knew existed.

          I overpaid by a ton for 10 years because I didn’t know this. Nah I don’t want it back, they can have it, I just figure I’ve “done my bit”.

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      • NSBF says:

        I think we all know someone or family that abuses the system. I have a neighbor with 5 kids, she has used every entitlement there is and private agencies to support her family for at least the last 12 years. Her previous husband made $38,000/yr and had outstanding HB. For years, they paid no taxes and got $ back. They bought a home, took trips to disney land and bought a timeshare and a $6k play structure for the backyard but were still too poor to pay taxes or buy food. She has recently divorced her provider and has the gov. paying her tuition for school so she can become an accountant, which she does at home on a computer. She has applied for all the student loan $ she can and is living off of it. Even remodeled her house with it…but then tried to refi on Obama’s plan. I am pretty sure she is devising a way to default on those loans. She doesn’t leave the house or work at all. Her kids are on school lunch. Anything she needs or wants, she finds someone else to pay for it…church, private charity, neighbors (all though most neighbors have gotten wise) and now a new man who brought more kids into the household (she lost a few…one incarcerated and the other married). We were once friends but now I can’t even look at her and we haven’t spoken in 3 years. I am not jealous but completely disgusted. My husband works his a$$ off, we have a child in college, little debt other than the mortgage, haven’t taken a vacation in 10 years, our paychecks continue to shrink and regular bills continue to climb…it just doesn’t make sense that my taxes pay for this families free ride. Ok, rant # 2 over, got to get off to work.

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        • Uriel says:

          yep know what ya mean! It gets worse though! All illegals get free medical care in the hospital as well as the same wellfare and assitance that low income folks get. The biggest killer in the whole thing is that illegals can get the earned income credit back on taxes even though they pay none!!! It’s all bullshit in the end. Maybe we should all become illegals!!

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        • Gods Creation says:

          NSBF

          Your taxes pay interest on the debt to the banksters, and NOTHING ELSE.

          Don’t get mad at the victims. They are not taking your money. You are giving it to a criminal organization voluntarily and then complaining about what they do with it.

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          • Uriel says:

            gods creation, that may be true since in reality we never had any written legislation that passed codifying the IRS and income tax in 1913; it was announced verbally and assumed by the public that because they said we have to that we have to pay taxes. Nonetheless if you don’t though; supposedly legal agents will still bully you very hard for the money and stuff gets taken away, assets frozen, etc… Unless we all stop simultaneously it won’t work. Well but that’s what you mean by we give it to them and complain. Right most have no balls to fight it or gumption to stand against it. I find just making very little is a way to stop most of my money from going in taxes. No I get no gov’t support either never will, but certainly will never have lots of money.

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    39. Mr. Blutarsky says:

      In my fine state of Georgia, 3 of of 5 births are medicaid babies.

      Idiocracy is happening. As long as we keep rewarding the uneducated & unmotivated to reproduce, they will keep doing it.

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    40. Anonymous says:

      The king used the word “I” forty-five times last night. What a brilliant speech wrote for him.

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    41. The Old Coach says:

      Where did I just read that a family of four with an earned income of $18K per year plus “entitlements” has more disposable income than a family of four with one breadwinner that brings in $60K ?

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    42. watchermax says:

      if anyone wasted their time listening to this…Man, what did you think you would hear? if this “Man” speaks, you will hear only lies and distorted hand picked “facts”. At this time the reactor has gone critical the cooling water has boiled away, 15 trillion debt, 60-100 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. the time for change has long since past our hands. Most telling, and by the way one of the true words he spoke. “the executive branch needs more power to streamline gov’t. these words strike terror in my heart. the times which come are inevitable. since less than .o5% of population is preparing in any meaningful way. that only leaves more than 300 million that will be dieing of starvation, or taken care of with a permanent solution. all the warning bells are clanging, do you hear them?

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      • NSBF says:

        I always watch…It can be time well spent if you are listening for clues and reading between the lines. Unfortunately, it does raise my blood pressure.

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    43. SmokinOkie says:

      Late one night in the White House Situation Room…

      Biden: Okay, then we’ll move a few of the priorities. Shift the ‘Greens’ over here(scribbles on his pad and shows it to everyone) That’ll free up this area here…

      BO: Nope. Still won’t work. We’ve got to have enough for the other constituencies.

      Hillary: Why don’t we just focus on the base, then let the rest of it fall into place. If the base is there, then the rest will follow, at least most will. And the remainder doesn’t matter.

      Biden: We just can’t make it work that way. (shows pad again). There’s simply not enough left to please everyone else.

      BO: No matter how the vote comes out, somebody’s gonna get screwed, and they ain’t gonna like it. All I know is, I’m commander in chief, and I ain’t gonna be one of those that get screwed.

      Michelle: Look! It doesn’t have to be a problem. We’ll just order FOUR large pizzas and everybody gets just what they want. Besides, we’re charging it to the white house, it don’t matter how much it costs! Trust me, I know about these things.(sashays toward the phone)

      Bo: Thats my girl!

      Hillary: Just make sure mine is thin crust. (smiles)

      Biden: Shelly, while you’re up, would you get me another beer?(belches)

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    44. kevin says:

      http://silverdoctors.com/ Check out the “punt the bernhank” game!

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      • ninaorket says:

        the same US NAVY SEAL Team 6 who supposedly killed obama bin laden in a staged FAKE FALSE FLAG propaganda operation… ooops I mean Osama Bin Laden a REAL nwo CIA AGENT asset who worked Directly with the BUSH FAMILY , an actually died in 2001 of natural causes – kidney disease , that unlucky NAVY SEAL TEAM 6, Obama Murdered 30 american citizen soldiers – murdered , were intentionally “BLOWN UP” and “KILLED” by the NWO CIA PTB under cia puppet illegal Prez Osama Barack Obama/ barry soetoro’s direct order… in a old crate of a helicopter too KEEP EM’ Quiet!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCJzJVQXm0

        http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/dead-men-dont-talk-the-assassination-of-seal-team-6/

        MURDERED BY OUR OWN PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA / BARRY SOTORO AND NWO CIA SCUMBAGS!

        and lets not forget Jessica Lynches team ALL being killed off , Assassinated by OUR own FEDERAL NWO ZIONIST GOVERNMENT AND PAT TILMON INTENTIONALLY MURDERED BY THE PENTAGON!

        Too KEEP EM’ ALL QUIET! From Telling you the truth Folks!

        Quit posting TROLL propaganda lies ya NWO.Zionist.CIA.FED.Slimo.TROLL…

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    45. Y'all Beware! says:

      Y’all need some fun so here goes!

      From BO speech last night, here is a dandy:
      “The American people know what the right choice is. So do I. As I told the Speaker this summer, I’m prepared to make more reforms that rein in the long-term costs of Medicare and Medicaid, and strengthen Social Security, so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors.“
      Now he just told y’all what he be doin’ – he gonna screw ya, but he gonna screw ya slow!!

      ”We’ve made it clear that America is a Pacific power, and a new beginning in Burma has lit a new hope. From the coalitions we’ve built to secure nuclear materials, to the missions we’ve led against hunger and disease; from the blows we’ve dealt to our enemies, to the enduring power of our moral example, America is back.
      Anyone who tells you otherwise, anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they’re talking about.” (Applause.)

      So, because I don’t know what I’m talking about I offer y’all the following bit of fun and vote for BO speech, I clicked Fail.

      Go to: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57365343-503544/obamas-state-of-the-union-address-full-text/

      Scroll down to Quick Poll
      How did President Obama do in his State of the Union address?
      • Excellent 60%
      • Good 12%
      • Average 5%
      • Below average 5%
      • Fail 18%
      At about 11:00AM 3,100 people voted. Let us as a group have some fun and as Americans – change the numbers. I’m passin this on and we’ll see how long they keep this up!

      Y’all Beware! and have fun.

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    46. Anonymous says:

      http://silverbearcafe.com/private/01.12/truth.html

      A link to send to your friends and sheeple that can’t handle the truth.

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    47. NSBF says:

      OQ…I am pretty sure you are correct on the reasoning behind keeping them in school. But honestly, I laughed at that statement…watcha gonna do, arrest them? Absolutely, ridiculous statement! If the local P-town gang-bangers don’t want to go to school then they aren’t going to and there is nothing they can do to make them. The whole speech was laughable. We double exports? What exports would that be? Cars or maybe he was referring to “fast & furious”? What do we actually manufacture that doubled our exports? If American’s buy into these already failed promises then I have several gold mines on beautiful Mt Hood that are for sale! I like how he went after the votes of illegals and women. Disgusting. Tax relief for companies bringing jobs back but at the same time we need to tax the wealthy and make them pay their fair share. What an oxymoron…Hey, Mr. President, you can’t have it both ways! It was clearly a speech to sway those that are very unhappy but not knowledgeable enough to understand why. Rant done!

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    48. Justice100 says:

      One day soon, I believe, within hours of that fateful day, our country will change drastically. Once the word is out, all hell will break loose. I imagine one afternoon when I turn on the idiot box and see a dire warning that tells me to not panic, do not take your money out of the banks, do not overact to (whatever scenario they spew at us). That is when the sheople scream, and run for the banks; clean out the grocery stores, loot and destroy everything that is in their way. They will try to write bad checks to no avail, since checks are not accepted. They will try to charge whatever the can, including big ticket items, however the credit cards will not work either. Cash will be the only source of purchasing power but you may not get out of the store with whatever cash you have left. This sounds like a horror movie, but I think it is inevitable.

      The PTB will be hid safely and the military will be prepared to handle what they know will happen.
      Crowd control, numerous arrests, sheer terror will occur in most of the major cities. Big or small, towns and cities across the country, will have empty grocery stores and very scared, desperate people.

      The anointed one will grace our televisions and radios with his calming and reassuring voice of reason; ( This is just a temporary situation, do not panic and do not worry. Keep your kids in the house and stay off the streets for now. I will make sure that the rich will share their food, shelter, and money with you, just give me four more years!)

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    49. Tym says:

      Well, frankly you’re pretty far off the target blaming Barry for this. Doesn’t matter who is in the white house. They’re all wrong on trade, and when the smoke clears this will have been one of the only things that mattered. Look up “neoliberalism” and ask yourself exactly who it is that will be the “losers” in this economic model. Look up Adam Smith and then David Ricardo, who expounded on Smith’s economic principles. Find Ricardo’s six qualifications for trading with a foreign country, then ask yourself what the hell our “leaders” are doing…

      Fact is, we should not be trading anything with China. Ricardo made this quite clear long, long, ago, and we’ve had past presidents and founding fathers who knew this. What we have now is a government and business elite whose ranks are filled with nothing but traitors. Plan accordingly.

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    50. NSBF says:

      hmmm, I put this as a reply to OQ, not sure why it showed up here but it has happened before. I am also getting the “posting to quickly” message. I don’t even type that fast…lol

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    51. Satori says:

      when it comes to food stamps and “welfare”
      look at it this way

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1024833/Nine-meals-anarchy–Britain-facing-real-food-crisis.html

      social welfare benefits keeps the lid on things
      it is the bolted down lid of the pressure cooker

      if people cant put food on the table,and dont have a roof over their heads
      they’re gonna hit the streets and one little spark will be all it takes for THE ANARCHY AND DESTRUCTION to begin

      remember that phrase “nine missed meals from anarchy”

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    52. Viking says:

      What happens is logical to me

      a.) entitlement creates dependency
      It is expected that these people should be “grateful” that the government(the politicians and their paid servants)provide them with food, money and shelter. In return they hopefully vote for these people.

      b.) Panem et circenses is Latin and means bread and circusses
      The ancient Romans used to rule this way. Large numbers of people of the lower classes, they called them proles, were fed and entertained for free in Rome (and later in Constantinople)to make sure they would not riot. It was a kind of buying off the lower classes. They received bread and some good entertainment (see Gladiator/Russel Crowe)in return they were expected to behave.

      However the whole Roman system collapsed. The reasons are mainly that hoardes of entitled had to be fed (the Emperors always were afraid, that the regular grain fleet from todays Tunisia could be delayed) , the middle class in the cities was overregulated, the small and medium farms were transfered into the ownership of large landowners, money was devalued and the law was corrupted mostly by the wealthy. Getting back to those entitled people, the proles, living of government money, were not of any use. They couldn`t even fight the barbarians.

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    53. ninaorket says:

      pls mac salvo post this, it’s important, people should know the truth – thank you!

      CIA AGENT illegal prez Obama Barack Obama / BARRY SOETORO – MURDERED US NAVY SEAL TEAM SIX!

      http://alexandravaliente.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/dead-men-dont-talk-the-assassination-of-seal-team-6/

      The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 1)

      On May 5th, I had an email conversation with a retired military man with spook contacts. All were in total agreement that the Bin Laden episode was pure theater. The SEALS were sent into a compound as evidenced by the lost chopper on site. But Osama Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound. Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. Bin Laden had a genetic condition that caused renal failure (this genetic condition is common among deeply inbred Saudi arab muslims). Bin Laden had been on dialysis BEFORE 9/11. Dialysis is difficult enough for people in first world countries who can have it done in outstanding facilities. Bin Laden was having it done either in caves or in homes post 9/11. People in renal failure having dialysis done in fricking caves do NOT live for ten more years. Period. There was no dialysis equipment found in the compound the SEALS raided on May 2. Of course there wasn’t. Bin Laden wasn’t in that compound because Bin Laden has been dead for years.

      This is why the “body” was declared “positively identified” faster than any known DNA testing process in existence – …

      The entire Bin Laden episode was stagecraft. It was pure theater that was designed to give Obama a boost in the polls and give distraction and cover. Distract from what? Cover from what?

      April 20, 2011: The release date of Dr. Jerome Corsi’s book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate” is announced as May 17, and pre-sales begin on Amazon.com. Corsi’s work is known to be extremely thorough and meticulous. …

      April 27, 2011: In order to diffuse and undercut the Corsi book, the Obama regime releases a PDF image purported to be a scan of his original long-form Hawaiian birth certificate. Within …

      April 27 through May 2: The Obama regime is now in a blind panic. Deeming it too risky, instead of commissioning the forged birth certificate from document and photo illustration experts within the CIA or NSA, the Obama regime instead farmed the project off on someone inside the White House …

      May 2, 2011: The Bin Laden operation occurs. In all likelihood, a low-to-mid level Taliban or insurgent leader is killed.

      May 3, 2011: Within hours, Vice President Joe Biden destroys any notions of OPSEC and bellows to the entire world in public remarks at a dinner at the Ritz Carlton that the Bin Laden raid was carried out by “the SEALS”. Within hours Obama regime had gleefully leaked that the raid was carried out by “SEAL Team 6″, …

      May 5, 2011: As I said earlier, I conversed with retired military contact with spook contacts regarding the obvious theatrics of the Bin Laden episode and the need for a cover-up by the Obama regime. The conversation ended with the following exchange:

      Ann: I’m on the US Military casualty email list. It would be NO PROBLEM to “hide” casualties. It’s a steady stream out of Afghanistan.

      Contact: look for training accidents in the eastern mountains.

      May 6, 2011: Obama travels to Ft. Campbell, KY to openly “meet and congratulate” SEAL Team 6 members. This receives huge press coverage, and the press declares the incident “a huge boost [for Obama] going into 2012.”

      The Execution of SEAL Team Six (Part 2)

      Posted by Ann Barnhard

      August 6, AD 2011

      August 6, 2011: A Chinook helo is shot down in Tangi, Wardak Province, Afghanistan. Within hours, before family notifications could possibly have been completed, global press accounts positively confirm that 22 of the 30 Americans killed were not just SEALS, but members of SEAL Team 6. Again, DEVGRU operations have been, up until now, highly classified. Today, the Obama regime …

      I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say. The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed …

      This entire Obama situation is a conspiracy, and I say that without the slightest hesitation. Obama is not a citizen of the United States, he is a puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Leninsts including Soros, Ayers, Dohrn, Strong, Jarrett and many, many others. These people are enemies of the United States. These people are deeply psychologically damaged, and are capable of ordering people murdered in order to protect themselves and increase their own power. The three dead homosexual black men from Trinity United Church of Christ, Young, Bland and Spencer, all of whom were sexually linked to Barack Obama, were probably the first people specifically murdered by the Obama regime. The hundreds of Mexicans and the two American agents Terry and Zapata were murdered by Operation Fast and Furious in order to advance and increase the power of the Obama regime. These SEALS and the others on board that Chinook today were almost certainly betrayed and murdered by the Obama regime. …

      … The Weather Underground was founded by Obama’s political godfather, communist mentor (along with Frank Marshall Davis), murderer, and ghostwriter of “Dreams From My Father”, Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In this interview, taped in 1980 while Obama was still just an unknown undergrad foreign scholarship student at Occidental College, Grathwohl describes the leadership of the Weather Underground (which is Ayers and Dohrn) discussing what will be done with the “unreformable, diehard capitalists” once they have overthrown the government of the United States. The answer is extermination in camps in the Southwest. The estimated total that would need to be killed? 25 million, which was 10% of the population at the time. Ayers & Dohrn already have overthrown the government of the United States via their puppet protégé, Barack Obama. They have guaranteed that the economy will collapse. The only thing left for them to do is suspend the Constitution and open the camps.

      “Democracy is two wolves deciding what to eat for dinner.
      Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.” -Thomas Jefferson-

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      • Nina, you know I don’t censor here…even your posts, as controversial as they are, have merit and will be posted… Though, there was that one particular instance where I was forced to remove your comment because I am fairly certain Johnny Law et. al. would have been knocking on my door had I not.

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        • ninaorket says:

          A BIG THANK to YOU MR. MAC SALVO! ;0)

          and i do admit too you i knew that “one” post , me calling for CIA NWO PUPPET ILLEGAL PREZ obsama BARRACK h. obama/ barry soetoro’s Arrest and the other BILDERBOYBUGGER.traitors of the u.s. congress who voted for the NDAA ACT , DEAD OR ALIVE , was wrong of me… BUT IT FELT SO GOOD and right! I had to try too post it!

          they the nwo.zionists are openly killing american citizens, military personnel and whistle blowers… on american soil and abroad… it’s time the OATH KEEPERS, FREEMEN and american people stand up and put a stop to it!

          i apologize too you mac salvo… sincerely for putting all your hard work in danger… i’m sorry for being a douche! ;0)

          and thank you for no blocking me… ;0) yur truly appreciated mac salvo! THANK YOU!

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          • Thanks Nina…. We, of course, appreciate your regular contributions as well.

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          • eeder says:

            Nina,
            you are absolutley correct. Barack Obama is being used by some extremely evil , sadistic people to implement an evil communist agenda. It is an agenda that will certainly end America one way or another. It is sad that it has come to this however I am not certain there is any reasonable argument that this isnt so.

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      • Burt the Brit says:

        Nina several Bin Laden kids have at various times been in the UK long term. Some…predominantly males have had tests for the kidney malfunction you mention, and it was confirmed to clinicians that their father had been on dialysis for some considerable time.

        I do not know much about military and about fighting etc, but I know about medicine. And I can say without any doubt that there is o way that such an affliction could be treated in caves, tents or anywhere else that does to have full uninterrupted electricity and availability of sterile conditions.

        It would also be impossible to move around with a dialysis machine in tow, totally impossible, the reports of allied forces chasing him all over the place and bombing the shit out of the mountains makes no sense whatsoever.

        It is said in the London hospitals that a daughter married over here and their child Has been treated for a kidney condition called phaeochromocytoma, a kidney tumour more common in children than adults.

        Finally the hospital I work in is joint military and civilian, they shut all the military hospitals to save money. From the day the navy seal team died it has been said that they were murdered to stop them saying anything about the circumstances and outcome of the raid.

        Just a note to any other Brits on here;
        I have not at any point treated any of the aforementioned people nor have I seen, first hand the documentation relating to what I have said. I therefore cannot be held responsible for any breech of patient confidentiality or braking of the data protection act.

        Take care

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        • ninaorket says:

          ;0) thanks for the backup @carolie.uk , yur’da best! great post! ;0)

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        • Daisy says:

          That’s really interesting information, Burt. So there is no portable way to treat that issue, say, with generators of some sort? He’d have to have been either hospitalized or in a place with hospital-like facilities?

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Hiya Daisy

            Yes in theory portable generators would work, but it to be honest getting that much fuel to run a high demand lump of electric kit would be a bitch. On op of that the internal tubing is only good or one use. to have regular dialysis most people have a fistula created that can take regular cannulation for the blood change. Patients get infected even with the best of care in a modern hospital, high spectrum antibiotics are needed on average at least once a year.

            It just doesn’t mesh if you know what I mean. I really do not see ow it could be done, those mountains and that terrain was unsuitable for trucks let alone moving delicate but large medical kit around.

            If he had dialysis in a cave he would have had to stay in that cave and have it set up for his treatment, no way was he moving around.

            I also noticed in televised pictures from the compound that no medical equipment of any taupe was visible…the props weren’t right.

            Take care

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Bloody iPad sorry about typos lol

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          • Daisy says:

            Thanks Burt – very cool intel!!!

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    54. Giurza says:

      Who is willing to take Platinum Chip to Washingto DC?

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    55. CelticNana says:

      Many years ago I had a Section 8 housing certificate. I had separated from my husband, had a kid and was working two part-time jobs till I could get a full time job. I had the certificate for 8 months; when I started working full-time, I turned the certificate back to the local housing authority. They were astonished that I did so; I told them that maybe it would keep another single parent from having to live in a car and I couldn’t in good conscience keep it. It was a huge help and I hope I used it as it was meant to be used, as a temporary safety-net. These programs were meant to be just that, temporary help in times of trouble, not a life-style or career choice. The problem now is that the financial institutions and politicians have created an economic crisis, through their inept policies and partisan bickering, that is breaking the middle class and forcing many to seek help for the first time. The pols and bankers are leading the world to bankruptcy and worse. Most people I know would rather work and be self-reliant. Pretty soon there aren’t going to be any “programs” for people to use and that’s when all hell is going to break loose. Prepare is the watch-word.

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      • Okay..it is a safety net for hardships—but with unemployment figures at uh, hmmm..10% to a true 19%…what do we do with those that truly want a job?
        Not slouches, the lazy—my neighbor has been everywhere looking…even 50 miles away.
        Does anyone have the answer??
        He’s lucky; he has a wealthy mother and I suspect he’s getting what he needs.
        What about those with no wealthy mother?? What is to be done when there are no jobs here.
        We older 50s and early 60s don’t have a chance.

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        • ninaorket says:

          tell em’ to learn how to repair (buy the books go online LEARN)… computers, t.v.’s, refrigerator’s, heaters, light home repair, small engines, cars, a handy man with tools and a truck always has a job… put an ad in the paper and be honest dependable trustworthy.

          as things become more and more expensive from Hyper Inflation… more folks will be calling the repair man!

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    56. Daisy says:

      There’s no shame in seeking help if you need it. The shame is in seeking help when you DON’T need it.

      For all of the folks here painting every single welfare recipient with the same brush, consider the fact that the huge companies that pay $0 in taxes every year take far more money out of the system than a single parent on welfare does. Billions and billions of dollars a year and still, the most desperate hungry people in the nations are the object of scorn.

      Look at the unemployment numbers and then look at them again…THAT is where the welfare state comes from.

      I’m not speaking to every person here, by any means, but if you are guilty of being judgemental, you know who you are.

      Yeah, yeah, share the anecdotal stories of the lady decked out in diamonds on her cell phone at the check out counter with her steaks, paying with her swipe card. For every one of those, there is someone who is quietly hoping no one will notice while the grit their teeth and do what they must to feed their children.

      There but for the grace of God, friends. Any of us could lose it all at any second.

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      • Grandma says:

        “For all of the folks here painting every single welfare recipient”

        you mean “some of the folks here” don’t you Daisy? if you’re going to preach to me, get your words straight and get off the pulpit.

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        • Daisy says:

          Grandma, unless you’re one of the folks painting the recipients with one brush, I wasn’t talking to you.

          Re-read what I wrote.

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          • Grandma says:

            how would we know your intended victim(s) is/are while you’re shot gunning that out with a sawed off barrel to everybody. you need to re-read what you wrote. i’m going out on a limb here and say that you are a sensitive person with a chip on your shoulder. there’s no color here on the net. Do you work for the naacp?

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Foreigner needing help
            What’s NAACP?
            Who mentioned colour?
            Did I miss something Grandma?

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          • Daisy says:

            Burt ~ NAACP is an organization in the US called the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. I haven’t the foggiest notion where color came into it.

            Apparently Grandma doesn’t like me because I live in Canada – she liked what I was saying just fine until I told her where I live.

            Whatever – ya can’t make everyone happy, Burt. :)

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Daisy, I spent six weeks in London Ontario a while back, got quite a taste for Molson and Club classic lol.

            Beautiful country

            Take care

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          • Grandma says:

            i can post some of your previous posts from months ago. i’m a very good reader.

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          • Daisy says:

            Burt – That’s right – Mossley Village – it’s charming there!:D

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          • DPS says:

            Grandma,

            Thats not true there is a little color on the net.. Last time I looked I was a redneck…LOL.

            DPS

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          • Grandma says:

            Back home i’m surrounded by rednecks. That’s all there is, all rednecks. best kind of people. i’m off to complete one of my items on my bucket list after i close a swiss account. these g-5s sure have pretty windows and the bar is open. ciao

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        • Daisy says:

          Burt ~ London, Ontario is where my youngest daughter was born – a wonderful city indeed! And Molson is fantastic beer – made right there in London, as you may know. :D

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      • Stoosh says:

        Daisy, fellow Canuck from T.O.

        You made an irrefutable point about corporate welfare. Shame on big companies paying zero taxes.

        In the Land of the Maple and in the Land to the South, individuals have been paying a greater share of taxes than corps for years – if not for decades – now.

        Also, don’t get me started on the Harmonized Sales Tax (Value Added Tax). Only consumers pay that. Businesses can claim it against amounts paid for inputs. And, Dalton McGuinty, when are those 600,000 jobs going to start materializing (60K jobs a year for 10 years) thanks to the HST?!

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      • Veridical Driver says:

        You are missing the point.

        If someone jumps off a skyscraper, they are going to fall and go splat. It isn’t right, it isn’t wrong, it is simply reality. The fact that I understand that falling off buildings is fatal doesn’t mean I support the death penalty for people who jump off buildings.

        Reality says that only a tiny portion of the population can expect to live at the expense of other people for any long period of time. Once the number of people receiving benefits outnumbers the people paying into the system, it will crash.

        The system is going to crash. The people who don’t know how to fend for themselves will suffer greatly and likely die. We aren’t cheering this on when we say it is inevitable… just like we aren’t cheering for someone’s death if we warn them that jumping off a building is fatal. We are, in fact, trying to prevent the awful outcome from happening.

        Maybe poor people deserve more benefits, maybe they deserve less… but “deserve” doesn’t mean anything. People who jump off of buildings don’t deserve to die. The system simply can’t afford to pay people to survive.

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      • Uriel says:

        Hmmm… Don’t be a dumbass and get in the position to need the kinda help your saying is ok to ask for because of stupid choices to begin with Daisy. Fucking without rubbers always leads to unwanted kids, with birth control or not. Again do what you do but don’t ask for fucking help when you fuck up, no matter what the context. I see that rewarding bad behavior by giving assistance only continues the expectation of recieving it (wellfare or subsidy of any kind.) It basically says to folks that they can be a total dumbass and irresponsible and that no need to worry the rest of your fellow citizens will save you. A FEW WORDS FOR YA!!! I AIN’T YOUR SUPERMAN BE-OTCH.

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    57. Slim says:

      If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq Theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

      The firearm death rate in Washington, DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period.

      That means you are about 33 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the U..S., than you are in Iraq.

      Conclusion: The U.S.should pull out of Washington.

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    58. ninaorket says:

      @mr. mac salvo, HEADS UP MACK! THE nwo.zionist.cia.fed.piggy’s just SHUT DOWN …

      DPROGRAM.NET

      watch yur’ six mac… call us if they harass you – WE WILL COME!

      OATHKEEPERS AND FREEMEN ALL!

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      • Interesting on the dprogram shutdown… That doesn’t look like a typical DHS seizure…maybe suspended for forgetting to pay the quarterly web hosting? That’s happened to me.. In fact, a few weeks ago our domain expired and the site went down for about 12 hours because I forgot to update a dead contact email address. It happens. Let’s hope dprogram’s issues are billing related…

        Then again, I think .gov already has the powers (self appointed of course) SOPA would have made official and there may have been a shutdown request initiated over a copyright issue,etc…

        Never know. If all is well, they should be up by tomorrow… If not, then I think we’ll soon hear from the admins/operators.

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        • eeder says:

          guys , they are implementing SOPA and PIPA regardless of what they say, they possibly have even passed them secretly.. the government is blatantly implementing what they can either thru existing law… hidden SOPA or just force… it is truly sad THE EXTREMISM THAT bARACk Obama and the congress have resorted too… they are basically begging the people to riot…. it is truly extrordinary the amount of composure and sense the people are showing in the wake of such blatant disregard for them… The people want peace! Why do these zionist thugs insist on it being otherwise because that is what you are doing.,.. INCITING RAGE!

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    59. Daisy says:

      Off topic:

      Has anyone tried to get on DProgram today? I’ve tried from a couple of different computers and I get a screen that says “Account Suspended”.

      Is this unofficial SOPA at work?

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      • ninaorket says:

        apparently… dprogram.net knows something we THE PEOPLE aren’t suppose too know of… can we say nwo.zionist.massod.cia.fbi.fed FALSE-FLAG attack upon the american people by the FEDS – AGAIN!

        AND i suggest everyone watches the US AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS ENTERPRISE in the persian gulf… illegal nwo puppet prez osama barack obama/ barry soetoro is sending the USS ENTERPRISE AND HER CREW INTO A FALSE-FLAG ATTACK by the zionist israeli jew massaod and israeli navy!

        once again israel is preparing to ATTACK AMERICAN SAILORS AT SEA, just as they did the USS COLE AND USS LIBERTY!

        arm up stock up prepare for martial law and then CIVIL WAR!

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        • Daisy says:

          Guess what! Now “WhatReallyHappened” is offline.

          This cannot be a coincidence.

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          • eeder says:

            these fucken sons of bitches are out of control… they are beyond forgiveness… this is a total disregard for the people that elected and pay these clowns.. who the hell do these vile jackasses think they are and how god damend fucken stupid do they think we all are. these people deserve what lucifer delivers….. may he not have any mercy on them.

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          • Daisy says:

            Hi, Eeder…haven’t seen you in a while…I know you’re mad but please chill with the language, buddy. I need Google translator to get to the point. ;)

            WRH is back up and running – hopefully they will post an explanation…there is definitely some mischief afoot!

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          • kevin says:

            You know HLS would say you are an “insane” tin foil hat wearing baby hater going to that site!

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          • ninaorket says:

            this message goes out to the NWO CIA FBI and DHS … if you phuckers take out one more Alt news sites … I’ll be coming to your DHS FBI IRS Debt.enSlavement Offices the Country Over!

            Get It Fed.Slimo’s! Enough is Enough! The Truth Will Not Be Stopped! It will be Heard by the masses!

            And I wont be Alone and I wont be coming to ask you for Directions on how to be a good – NWO.Zionist.Goyim.Debt.Slave!

            The NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION will BE STARTED BY ME!

            thats a promise… ;0P

            “When passive REVOLUTION is impossible! A bloody Armed American Rebellion, an REVOLUTION is InEvitable!”

            ~by FREEMEN ninaorket and jfk

            Arm Up Stock Up Prepare for Martial Law and then Civil War!

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          • ninaorket says:

            @daisy

            they took down whatreallyhappened.com also, but mike rivero and crew are now back online!

            whatreallyhappened.com
            Dprogram.net
            infowars.com

            I encourage everyone to visit these sites… give them your support … the INFO WAR has STARTED here in Fascist Amerika upon the TRUTH SEEKERS in FREE America!

            Don’t Be a good NWO Sheep! People EAT SHEEP! ;0P – Blah!

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          • ninaorket says:

            From info guru – Mike Rivero at whatreallyhappened.com

            DPROGRAM.NET ACCOUNT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED!
            Tags: COMPUTERS/INTERNET/SECURITY DICTATORSHIP

            No explanation given, but dprogramfilms.net √ is still operating.

            I encourage everyone too VISIT pls…

            dprogramfilms.net

            Show em’ all OUR PATRIOTIC SUPPORT!

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          • Daisy says:

            It’s only logical that they are taking these sites down for a specific reason. I suspect that something is going to go down – is PLANNED to go down – and this is the first step towards stifling the flow of accurate information.

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      • BadAmerican says:

        @ Slim:

        Sir, that last remark made my day…maybe the U.S. should pull out of Washington D.C.— classic..lol

        Maybe obummer’s daddy shoulda pulled out of obummer’s momma….

        ……just sayin….B

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      • eeder says:

        yes daisy, it most certainly is… there are many other examples of there implementation of SOPA and Barack Obamas evil communist agenda

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    60. mallardhen says:

      A good number of years ago a program was started in some of the counties in NJ classes were started that if you received food stamps or visited the govt.surplus food give-out you were invited to a home ec. type class to learn how to use the commodities that were given away, and how to put your food stamps to the best use, in other words do not buy already prepared food with you stamps but buy items that you could turn into many meals not just a one night stand item. This lasted about 6 months, why?, because unless they made it a must do; rather than a can do no one was attending the classes, so even then way back in the 60′s and early 70′s people were on the take and it sure hasn’t gotten any better. Will we ever learn??

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    61. Grandma says:

      we are so fucked! good thing I’ve lived a damn good long life. i’m just a lurker that has come out. i’m here and i’m not queer.

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    62. DPS says:

      OK everybody is alittle uptight today, so you get some muslim jokes,Life is to damn short not to stop and laugh.

      1. If you refine heroin for a living,
      but you have a moral objection to liquor.
      You may be a Muslim

      2. If you own a £3,000 machine gun and £5,000 rocket launcher,
      but you can’t afford shoes.
      You may be a Muslim

      3. If you have more wives than teeth.
      You may be a Muslim

      4. If you wipe your butt with your bare hand,
      but consider bacon unclean.
      You may be a Muslim

      DPS

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    63. DPS says:

      From Manos

      I escorted my wife to her 30 year class reunion. My wife was staring at some drunk guy was sitting in the nearby table.

      – Do you know him, i asked her.
      – He was my boyfriend back in highschool. I heard that he start drinking just after we broke up. I was told that nobody has ever seen him sober since then.
      – Dear God, i replied. Who would ever thing that a this celebration would last for thirty years.
      And this is how the quarrel started.

      2. My wife is standing naked in front of the mirror and says:

      – I feel like shit. I look old, ugly, and fat. Please say something positive.
      – But your sight is perfect.
      And this is how the quarrel started.

      3. I was watching tv and making zapping, when my wife came and sat next to me.

      – What’s on tv, she said.
      – Dust, i replied.
      And this is how the quarrel started.

      4. My wife asked me:

      – How many women have you been sleeping with?
      – Only with you my darling. With all the others i was awake.
      And this is how the quarrel started.

      5. One day the lawn mower broke down, and my wife was pushing me to fix it. Due to my job i couldn’t find the time. One day i return home and find her
      laying down in the garden, cutting the grass with the nail-clippers. This was her way to show me that i kept forgetting my duty.
      I looked at her silently, enter our house, brought her toothbrush, and told her:

      – As soon as you finish with the grass, you can sweep the carpets.
      And this is how the quarrel started.

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    64. DPS says:

      Daisy and Burt,

      You ladies crack me up. A friggin rainbow that red orange and purple, Hey I saw that back in my teens I think…LOL
      DPS

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    65. Burt the Brit says:

      If we don’t drop the comic relief we will get thrown out.

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      • Burt the Brit says:

        On a more serious note it is good news that Manos is still able to crack jokes.

        God bless him and his family.

        I hope when this hits the UK, which it will, that I can cope with the dignity and fortitude that he has

        Take care

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    66. Sandy says:

      This is a tough topic, thought I had a right to my comment until I read the points of view of all of the others, now I’m torn. Originally I was going to say that I felt that recipients of welfare should have to be drug tested, do community service, and go on mandatory birth control. I still feel that way but I don’t want to sound like I’m against it because if I need it to be there to feed my kids one day, I’ll do it. I wouldn’t have a problem complying with the above mandates. There has to be more limits to this. At our local elementary school 50% of the students get free lunch. Maybe that free lunch should come with some mandatory parent kitchen duty.
      Daisy is right, you shouldn’t have to feel ashamed if you really need it. I still would, but that’s just me.

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      • Burt the Brit says:

        Sandra

        When my husband left he emptied the bank,I literally had nothing. I was so glad the system caught me when I fell. I made a few pounds stretch so very far but then I had nothing…literally.

        At that point I would have done whatever they asked of me in order to feed my child.

        Finally, regardless of what people say you are fully entitled o your opinion and on’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

        Take care

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      • Uriel says:

        That is the most fair thing I have ever heard from a person about such a topic.

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    67. DPS says:

      Burt,

      They ain’t throwing nobody out.. Now the may thumbs down us but hey it happens..LOL.

      DPS

      This damn cold is never going away ;(

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      • Daisy says:

        I’d bring you soup and Puffs with lotion if I lived closer. The soup is there in spirit, your on your own for the Puffs.

        Feel better soon, DPS!

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        • DPS says:

          Daisy,

          Its all good I’ll just spike my O.J. and try and burn this cold out…LOL. And Puffs????? I guess that a tissue.
          Remember I’m in Texas tissue or puffs = T.P.
          Now thats some redneck s–t.

          DPS

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            Ah that’s sweet, cyber soup. Not to be out done I send you cyber homemade biscuits, no I mean cookies, sorry, still learning American English.

            I thought you meant weather so strike the rain thing lol

            Take care

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          • Daisy says:

            But they have lotion and aloe vera….makes your nose feel better. :)

            Hot lemonade with Jack Daniels and honey will also cure what ail ya!

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          • RWS III says:

            Burt,

            I love them McVities biscuits.

            DPS– if Daisy’s recipe fails ya, try my grandfathers cold medicine recipe:

            On the stove heat enough to melt and mix the ingredients, then let cool enough to drink. Add 1 glass of whiskey, with a few tablespoons of honey a 1/4 cup of rock candy and a teaspoon of Cinnamon.

            He swore by it, he said even if it don’t fix the cold you don’t notice its there!

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          • Burt the Brit says:

            RWS…McVities digestive biscuits mmmmm

            Grandpas recipe mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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          • DPS says:

            Thanks ya’ll, I’m thinking if I try all of these with my own I really won’t care about this cold. And if that don’t work its time to try the teq “still has the worm in it”

            DPS

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      • Burt the Brit says:

        DPS…..I am the thumbs queen I am getting quite a red following. This just proves I stir up thought provoking debate lol. Well that’s my excuse and I am sticking to it.

        The cold I can deal with, it’s the bloody rain that’s driving me nuts, stops me getting out on my bike.

        At the age of 51 I am learning to ride a push bike. The starting and stopping is the problem, the bit in the middle is okay. Thought a bit more exercise might help kept the joints a bit more mobile

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    68. Toomanyfakeconservatives says:

      That pie chart is toxic. If you ran a farm like that that (3% reinvested in children or seeds) it would be a barren wasteland in no time.

      What is the status of the U.S. surrendering to the Taliban? Anyone?

      Anybody home on that one?

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    69. Burt the Brit says:

      Er, maybe it’s my imagination but this seems to have become a three person blog, have we frightened everyone away?

      Okay recap…what have we done tonight?

      Chewed the cud with lots of people
      Started a shtf rainbow
      Found a new stalker for Daisy
      Found out what puffs are
      And started sending DPS cyber presents

      Not bad for an hour or so

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    70. VRF says:

      Here we go again folks

      Obama = Bought and Paid for by the rich elite, and who put him where he is today

      is this just more of the same? here is another adgenda being bought and paid for

      so far MY government has not represented ME or any one like me in the 30 some odd+ years that I have paid these bastards payroll

      http://news.yahoo.com/behind-gingrichs-rise-billionaire-pal-sheldon-adelson-150006162–abc-news.html

      This shit should be Illegal in a Republic such as ours, why do we pander to this, why are we not having a fit over this type of crap?
      If this doesnt prove and the past doesnt prove that our system is broke, than I dont know what does.

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    71. An awful thought says:

      To pay off the debt, just restart slavery.
      Anyone without a birth certificate will be
      auctioned off. ha That will get rid of the illegals fast and Barry too.

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    72. When the payments stop says:

      I’m researching about 22 long rifles. Yeah, I have the big stuff, a rem 870. My thought….I need a small gun the wife and kid can handle when the welfare zombies are cut off one day. Any good thoughts on this? Is a semi automatic legal in nazis NYS? Also…good time to stock ammo as China will invade when my future grandkids are of age. They will need a nice quiet gun to deal with the invaders.

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      • REB says:

        .22 LR one of the most usefull calibers ever conceived…itll stop 2 and 4 legged varmits and do so rather inexpensivly!
        Id say get one for everyone in the family. As far as whats legal in NYS?…is anything? Id not worry too much youve got God given rights to defend yourself and when TSHTF.. NYS rules wont matter,get what you want ASAP before it gets too difficult or expensive.

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      • elcid-77 says:

        Ruger 10/22, accept no substitute!

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    73. Kevin2 says:

      The rich (real rich) tax the middle class (mislabeled as rich) to support the poor so the poor don’t revolt against the rich. In the process they create a divide between two political opponents that should be standing side by side. Like an hourglass the poor at the bottom are increasing in number while the middle class at the top are decreasing. The power elite stand by and occasionally shake the hourglass. On occasion the upper chamber is refilled with the newly fallen formerly just out of reach almost rich.

      Prior to “Free Trade” the hourglass was upside down.

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    74. Satori says:

      the middle class in this country is under the MISTAKEN assumption
      that there is a safety net ready to catch them if they fall
      let me assure you in the strongest possible terms
      THIS IS NOT TRUE
      the net is full of so many holes as to be almost useless
      how does it happen?
      your an average person,you’ve always worked,always paid your bills,
      have managed to buy a modest home for you and your family
      and then…
      you get sick,real sick
      at first the insurance covers the bills,except for the 20 or 30% deductible,you can easily get hit with $40 or $50 thousand for a single hospitilization,and that is YOUR portion of the bill
      you miss so much time for work,you lose your job
      in this country,you lose your job,you lose your health insurance
      now the pressure is really on
      you may be able to 2nd mortgage the house,you drain your retirement plan
      but the hospital bills are RELENTLESS and EVER INCREASING
      then comes foreclosure and bankruptcy
      your done
      everthing you ever worked for is GONE
      I work in health care
      I’ve seen this scenario a million times
      dont think it cant happen to you

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    75. My wife today noticed we are paying 14% sales tax in
      Parker, Colorado……wow! First they rape you for half
      your dough in taxes on your paycheck, then they just keep
      on steelin’ it. I had $5.00 in a Credit Union here, for
      one ‘share’ , so’s I could get an auto loan. I paid off
      the auto loan about a year ago. Yesterday, I get the
      ‘account closed’ notice, along with the $5.00 ‘inactivity
      fee’! The bastards just HAD to steal that $5.00! Do ya
      think I’d use them again? ALL BANKS are there to do one
      thing, SCREW YOU! Public Credit Unions are just more of
      the same.

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      • kevin says:

        snake- rape is not strong enough of a word! We are getting A$$ F^CKED like a 9 year old boy at barney franks 60th birthday party! Like a 16 year old white boy in an alabama prison! 25% to the fed, 7.5% for SS, 5% for gas, 14% for sales tax, 10% sin tax, and then depending on your circumstances a 40% DEATH TAX!!!!! THATS CLOSE TO 100% TAXATION! WE ARE SLAVES! OTHERS GET A FREE RIDE!! Waite, hold on, I get dizzy sometimes. What I meant to say was they hate me cause I’m free!

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        • ninaorket says:

          NICE @ kEVIN ;0)

          RESPECT!

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        • kevin says:

          nina- I was saying(in a crude way) that every time I see franks name on the web, I think about a vile person who was running a underage male prostitution ring out of his home with his “partner” and when the “media” started asking questions he threatened to release high level people’s names in the gubment that pertaked in this crime, and the media backed off, and frank is still there. I saw dodd/frank on the web right before I came back to shtfplan, and my blood just starts boiling when I see that sick f^ckers name! My comments were a little crude, but having frank in any capacity in any of our branchs of gubment, is just immoral, and is another example of were we are as a nation. I wouldn’t trust frank in a room alone with my dog(hmm, maybee he slipped that beastiality into ndaa), and he is behind closed doors writing laws for this nation, what a disgrace!

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        • Uriel says:

          Fucking hilarious!!!!!

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    76. Call me ‘SNAKE’.

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    77. Print money to give away which causes inflation where everyone pays. Doesn’t sound to “fair” to me. Coach

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    78. Y'all Beware! says:

      Just would like to say that you’re rights as you know ‘em are GONE!

      So Y’all Beware!

      We have been down here (web) since noon. So how can I get a message to y’all?

      Y’all Beware!

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