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    “Slacking Off”: Young Adults Living In Parents’ Basement Most Common For First Time Ever

    Mac Slavo
    May 25th, 2016
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    ** MUST LINK BACK http://www.newyorker.com/ ** ** MUST CREDIT THE NEW YORKER ** ** NO CROPPING MUST BE PUBLISHED FULL FRAME ** A Rising Share of Young Adults Live in Their Parents’ Home A Record 21.6 Million In 2012 by Richard Fry OVERVIEW SDT-millennials-with-parents-08-2013-01In 2012, 36% of the nation’s young adults ages 18 to 31—the so-called Millennial generation—were living in their parents’ home, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. This is the highest share in at least four decades and represents a slow but steady increase over the 32% of their same-aged counterparts who were living at home prior to the Great Recession in 2007 and the 34% doing so when it officially ended in 2009. A record total of 21.6 million Millennials lived in their parents’ home in 2012, up from 18.5 million of their same aged counterparts in 2007. Of these, at least a third and perhaps as many as half are college students. (In the census data used for this analysis, college students who live in dormitories during the academic year are counted as living with their parents). Younger Millennials (ages 18 to 24) are much more likely than older ones (ages 25 to 31) to be living with their parents—56% versus 16%. Since the onset of the 2007-2009 recession, both age groups have experienced a rise in this living arrangement. The men of the Millennial generation are more likely than the women to be living with their parents—40% versus 32%—continuing a long-term gender gap in the share of young adults who do so.1

    Covert art: The New Yorker

    Moving into the basement or prolonging a stay in a childhood bedroom filled with outgrown toys and posters used to be a last resort for struggling 20-somethings, but now it is officially the most common situation for millennials and even those in the their early 30s.

    These cold statistics reveal not only a brutal economy with few good job prospects, but a generation that is failing to branch out and start a new life on their own – a necessary phase of continuity in the human species.

    All of this paints a grim future and a disappearing American Dream.

    According to the Associated Press:

    Many of America’s young adults appear to be in no hurry to move out of their old bedrooms.

    For the first time on record, living with parents is now the most common arrangement for people ages 18 to 34, an analysis of census data by the Pew Research Center has found.

    And the proportion of older millennials — those ages 25 to 34 — who are living at home has reached its highest point (19 percent) on record, Pew analysts said.

    The vicious cycle between an economy that is too brutal to make young adults comfortable and secure enough to start out on their own is also further declining as 20-somethings and 30-somethings shelter in place and avoid consumption, spending, investment, etc.:

    The pattern may be a contributing factor in the sluggish growth of the U.S. economy, which depends heavily on consumer spending. With more young people living with their parents rather than on their own, fewer people need to buy appliances, furniture or cable subscriptions. The recovery from the 2008-09 recession has been hobbled by historically low levels of home construction and home ownership.

    Millennials are also putting off buying cars, buying houses, getting married, having kids and other grown up activities that used to be a default of adult life for the majority of Americans.

    Instead, it is a future of mostly singles with a tough time finding the jobs they want to become careers.

    To her parents, it looks as though she’s slacking off.

    “It’s definitely a generation gap,” she said. “I think they literally think I just sit down and watch Netflix all day.”

    Along with that goes a later and later average age for marrying and having kids, further stalling the birth rate which has already fallen sharply below the replacement rate of 2.1 children per couple.

    Instead, we are entering a dark future where “me” comes before any other unit of society, and nearly everyone is becoming a self-absorbed and self-centered automaton whose closest relationship is with a smart phone.

    Is it too conspiratorial to suggest that governments will have a far easier time controlling everyone with a nation full of (adult) children?

    If people never grow up enough to move out on their own, how can they be prepared to deal with emergencies of any kind, face dangers and problems or, gasp, help others to deal with the harsh realities of life, too?

    Read more:

    As the Middle Class Dies, Millennials Give Up: “The American Dream Is Not Really Alive”

    Can’t-Do Generation: “Expect Everything to Just Work,” and Throw Out What They Can’t Fix

    29 Percent Of All U.S. Adults Under The Age Of 35 Are Living With Their Parents

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    1. This is the norm in Countries around the world. They seem to be able to grow up. If Americans are immature it is for a variety of reasons. Living as an extended family with aunts and uncles and grandparents makes child rearing so much easier and more fun for all concerned. While living at home, grown children can be an asset rather than a liability. I know European families who practiced this life style back in the seventies. The adult kids worked and paid for house remodeling and extensions. Then they saved and bought other homes for cash. They are all very well off financially. And the grandkids are successful happily married and have their own homes and their own businesses, too. So don’t knock it. It ain’t all that bad. Just teach the kids to respect their parents and away from bad influences like school and TV.

      • Jacknife says:

        It’s becoming the norm, I’m almost 52 and thinkin bout movin back in with my folks. Bwawahahahaha

      • runnamuck says:

        from ca no kidding you dont say

      • WhoWTFKnows... says:

        It is very common in Italy for Grown men to live with their Mothers until they get married. These schleps let their Mommas wash their clothes and feed them until they can find a Momma replacement.

        ~WWTI…

        Went toa party the other day, and there is a Guy 50 Yrs old who lives with his Momma. I asked his Momma in front of everybody, if she still has to remind him to clean his bedroom? She laughed and said, “No but that She has to keep asking him to go mow the lawn.” Every body at the party laughed.

      • Benfromnmi says:

        Not really trying to reply but unable to post straight up. I am a long time lurker first time poster. I’ve followed advice, why associate myself when I can gather info anonymously. Not all millennial’s are as described. I myself, 31 years old, married 9 years to a wife 29 years old. We have two daughters. We own 9 acres. Buying land contract. Less than 20 yrs. payment less than half rent locally. We owe nothing in consumer credit. Our vehicle is paid for. Our home is 70 yrs old and I’m currently not employed due to spending all my time fixing it up. I have less that 2k in student loans. I’m master certified automotive mechanic. Certified in 8 welding processes. Certified i. Hydraulic troubleshooting. ExperiNced in construction. Switched to a rural homestead lifestyle after getting hurt on the job at my fabrication employer. Played nice with insurance people and they hung me out to dry. We homestead. My wife is a cardiac sonographer. She started when I had to get out of welding. Nobody fixes anything for me. Not all millennial’s are lost. My daughters 8&6 are not lost. Please don’t group us all together. I’m surrounded by boomers and such who refuse to understand what’s happening. I’m prepped. I prep. I’ll never be ready but I work towards it every day.

        • Ketchupondemand says:

          Ben, I hope there are many more like you as you’ll be needed in the worst way for the US to recover. If recovery is possible.
          We congratulate you and your family.

      • W from Italy says:

        They certainly do NOT grow up. I live in Italy, where this phenomenon has been so common for years, that Italians with common sense (there are some!) have invented a new word, “bambuccioni,” a derogatory way to say “big babies.” I’ve met scores of them, and it’s surreal, they might as well be wearing diapers!
        Mamma feeds them and then washes the dishes, washes and irons their clothes–they do no housework at all, she won’t hear of it. Papa’ pays all the bills, and then Baby goes out with his friends ’til the wee hours of the morning. Baby pays no rent, not even a token, even if he does manage to find some job somewhere. And the parents get so used to having them around, that there is zero pressure for them even to consider moving out.
        And I’m not just talking about 20-somethings. Many of these bambuccioni are 40-SOMETHINGS! The most disturbing part to me is that the boys NEVER GROW UP TO BE MEN. They are effeminate, round-shouldered delicate wusses, who have no concept of being protectors of women and children–because they’re still being protected themselves. They wouldn’t dream of giving up their seat on the bus or holding a door for a woman–so imagine what they WON’T do if they see a woman in the street in some kind of trouble. And marry? First of all, they’re married to Mamma. Secondly, what single gal in her right mind would want them? Since nobody’s marrying at a young age, obviously the birth-rate is negative (except for the immigrants, of course).
        Italian society has been totally destroyed. This country is so screwed… and it’s coming to the US. Just give it a decade or two, and America will look like THIS!

        • TheGuy says:

          “Protectors of women and children”… you mean jail fodder?

          Try doing anything for women these days and if she don’t like the way you part your hair well.

    2. Luke Warm says:

      I don’t see what’s wrong with adult offspring living at home or in their parent’s basement. My millenial-age daughter lived in my unfinished basement with her bed next to the furnace for warmth (I live in Wisconsin). She scrimped/saved/sacrificed and paid CASH for a home. She truly appreciates her home–especially having real windows.

      • Kevin2 says:

        Luke Warm

        That was our goal for son and his wife as we moved to Florida and they got our home paying taxes $2,300 / yr, gas and electric. Lots of vacations and 5 years later they had no money for their home. They’re in their 30s and finally moving out, home needs some spruce up for sale, need their assistance in labor and they’re dogging the hell out of it. They actually think they did us a favor “occupying” the home.

        “scrimped/saved/sacrificed” Bless her……..

        • Luke Warm says:

          Kevin2: I’m sorry to learn your son and his wife squandered a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to set themselves up financially. It’s sad.

          • Kevin2 says:

            Too much, came too easy, for too long, so no life lessons were learned. Neither the wife nor I had any help. She actually grew up poor and for all practical purposesses fatherless. Wanted an easy road for them. We enabled them. While talking to others down here in Florida we found out that many of us did the same thing, just a question of degree. The good news is they work gainfully, are not drinkers, gamblers, or dopers. Not even speeding tickets. They just like every new electronic toy and good vacations.

          • laura m. says:

            I have relatives (bro., 1st and 2d cousins) who could not manage money and bro filed b’ruptcy and foreclosure on house. Glad I never raised kids. Friends can’t get rid of their older kids now, total losers for raising slacker bums. Stigma for slacker men as women usually get married or find work. No work ethics.

        • smokey says:

          A lot of folks are nearing retirement and would like to downsize, but the kid is still living at home. So a lot of homes are not going on the market, keeping prices high.

        • Redoubt Renee says:

          We are in a similar situation and I’m trying to be really good and not take advantage of my parents. After we had our son, my parents had just sold their house. Mom said they wanted to get an investment property, but I know she just wanted to get us out of a third floor apartment before the next baby. They bought a short sale, took 6 months to get it, and now we “rent” from them. In truth, we are trying to get our credit better and hopefully my husband will get a raise and we will buy this house from them. Knowing my mom, when we get there, she will have tallied our “rent” and it will be our down payment. We wouldn’t be able to get a down payment together otherwise…

        • WhoWTFKnows... says:

          I was out of my parents house at 18, and never looked back.

          ~WWTI…

    3. anon says:

      Bring back the draft for men and women. That will get them moving.

      • Kevin2 says:

        ” That will get them moving.”

        Moving through Syria with the final stop Arlington?

        • anon says:

          Kevin2

          You know there is no positive solutions to the problems of this nation. Only some better than others.

          I see they are having protests in New Mexico and California at Trump functions. Brother I can not wait for Cleveland.

          We get riots no matter who wins the presidency.

        • runnamuck says:

          peace creep

        • Hey, it was alright when I joined at 17, but now it is too high of a price to pay? Okay then, YOU go fight so that your son doesn’t have to risk his life or die as did MILLIONS of others so that he could be free enough to ‘screw off’ his adult years.

          The Draft made men out of boys. Boot STILL makes men out of boys, or kills them attempting to do so.

          A 2yr tour would not hurt ANYONE …and right now we need some good men. Worked for me thus it would work for them IF they applied themselves. Otherwise, they’d do two years and bail out with nothing, or screw up on purpose and take a dishonorable rather than be forced to follow orders …then run home to mommy and daddy.

          For the middle-class, it is a fact that most everyone experience three crashes in their lifetimes (financially) and need a leg up to get going again. What the hell is wrong with moving back in with your folks in order to get reset to go again? Rather have them on the streets or under a bridge or prying open one of your windows in the midst of the dark of night?

      • Seen2013 says:

        “Bring back the draft for men and women. That will get them moving.”

        Search ‘Full Employment’, ‘Fabian Society’, ‘Bismarkianism’ (focus on journals, memos, and etc, ‘Federal Mandate to States to administer the jobs/works program tied to welfare participation’ (it’s hard to miss mandated labor or civilian draft has been ongoing for over 20 years), ‘Type of jobs created during the recovery’ (this ties into the jobs/works program as it requires the capacity to acquire full-time employment even if full-time employment is minimum wage), and etc.

        Once you get done with the tedious reading, you should be able to reckon full employment is derived by a military-civilian draft not far removed from a particular Executive Order by procedure catalyst of past precedent has existed for over 20 years.

    4. boyo says:

      This perfectly describes how I think of 99.99% millennials, including some in my own family…
      They’re like chimps flinging their own poo.

    5. Kevin2 says:

      The mistake that facilitates this is allowing stay over companions. In my day you were not allowed to bring a girl into you bed room. That 20s sex drive screamed loud and clear, “I have to get my own place”.

      You make it so easy that the path of least resistance is not a path at all but rather a comfort zone.

      Leaving home is one thing. Crawling out of your wallet is another.

      • Luke Warm says:

        Oh my gosh, my daughter would have been mortified to bring anyone down into my basement. It’s truly unfinished–although it does have a nice water-feature–it leaks during heavy rains 🙂 She did sew some curtains for the basement windows for privacy, but that was the extent of her decorating.

        Because she was trying to save every penny possible, she had brought all her totes full of stuff with her (insteading of wasting money on a storage site).

        So picture a 650 sq. ft. basement filled wall-to-wall and floor-to-ceiling with the contents of her former 3 bedroom 1.5 bath townhouse apartment. She barely had space to walk to get to her bed next to the furnace. It was pretty bad–but where there’s a will, there’s a way–and she really wanted to buy a house for cash.

        The experience totally changed her outlook about money and what’s important in life.

        • Kevin2 says:

          Our basement, when we lived there full time is 1000 sq/ft, 9 ft deep. When we went to Florida they had the entire home, 1800 sq/ft rancher with the finished basement below it.

          Home paid for in cash……..took us into our 50s to pull that off. Bless her……and you for facilitating it.

    6. We’ve been infantilizing children, adolescents and young adults for a number of years now.
      Schools give our children “participation trophies” merely for showing up; we don’t let them fail or learn from their mistakes; society and parents seem determined to shelter their kids from every unpleasantness; we don’t give them jobs as children in order to teach them responsibility and accountability, and parents indulge their child’s every whim.

      The end result is a generation of narcissistic, babyish, self indulgent, entitled wimps who can’t handle adversity or unpleasantness (they retreat to their “safe space”), a generation unable to care for themselves or others.

      • PO'd Patriot says:

        Spot on JD. Not many have landed hard on their faces and had to get up under their own power.

        • Adversity is a great teacher Patriot, and eventually mommy and daddy won’t be around to pick up the pieces.

          Where I used to live, it was common to see “men” in their mid to late 30’s, running around the city on their skateboards.
          Their only occupation seemed to be protesting and sitting in Starbuck’s at all hours of the day.
          SO happy I left that liberal hellhole!

    7. Kick em out at 18….My father said I have (3) options…college, military, or job.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        J, I totally agree with your points, but is that still possible is today’s economy? I turned 18 during my senior year but still had to wait until I graduated before leaving on my own. I left for FL 2 weeks after graduation. I was more fortunate than most at the time. I had a job waiting on me when I arrived. Only a month after I arrived I met the woman who would later become my wife. She was a nurse and we both saved up and pooled our money together for everything. Less than a year after I arrived in Miami we tied the knot. I know, I know; in some ways I shouldn’t have married so soon like that, but everything worked out better than I dared hope for. Right after our sixth anniversary I lost her to a drunk driver and I was never the same person again afterwards. I hurt every day. Not one day goes by that I don’t think about her. Losing a loved one is pain that stays with you for life. In some ways it’s better that we didn’t have any kids, but if we had, I can promise everyone here that they would’ve been raised the same way I was. When I was 18, I did exactly what my parents expected me to do because that’s how I was raised. I’ve had my share of personal SHTFs in life, but I always pulled myself up by my bootstraps. I rolled up my sleeves and went to work on the problem myself. I’ve always taken responsibility for my own well-being. I’ve never asked anyone for anything and won’t start doing so now. I’m “old school” and damned proud of it. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

        • grandee says:

          Bravo Brave!! I’m old school also-was glad to get out on my own and own the world. At least a little part of it.

          So sorry you lost your wife that way. She was loved while she was with you. That has to count for something in this life.

          To be loved is the greatest.

          God bless.

        • Braveheart, what you had to say earlier hit hard and I’m just now able to get back to ya. My 2nd wife, after 9yrs, (also military) just up and blew out her heart, NO warning of any kind, back in ’97. Two kiddos that left shortly after it happened. They were grown and ready anyway. I know your ‘words and feelings’ only too well. She was seeking the love of a doctor who she found out slept with all his patients …and that’s what she couldn’t handle we ‘reckon’. That was in Memphis in ’97 and I was in Florida, with the kids for the summer. Glad I wasn’t there or they may have tried to hang me for it? Dunno, she blew out her heart with the firearm I’d bought her for self-defense. Ouch…

          Cheers …and never quit.

        • OhSoTired says:

          When I dropped out of college in 1978 after 1 semester one morning my dad said get in the truck. He drove me to a nearby army recruiter and said, this BOY needs a job. Should of seen that recruiters eyes light up–he said–sir–we can help you with your problem, lol–(my pop was is an army veteran too). Long story short–best thing that could have happened to me.

    8. watching and waiting says:

      The nanny State Effect…

    9. Yohan Smythe III says:

      Regarding the Deagel.com site
      ht tp://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx
      —- the projected numbers for 2015 — it IS NOT clear if that means “down by” this number, or “down to” this number. It makes more sense if you read it as “down by” this number.

      For example, for the United States, Population “down by” 65 million. Military budget currently $756 Billion, 2025 “down by” &7.2 billion.

      HOWEVER, if you decide that this is the correct way or looking at it, then WTF is up with the 2025 project WORLDWIDE POPULATION — “down by” 6.7 BILLION !!??!!

    10. anon says:

      JD
      The military now has a “Time Out” card. If the instructor gets hard on them.

      What do the Marine Drill Sergeants do?

      Used to be if you did not shape up you got ASMO’ed That is set back a week and then if you didn’t you got discharged.

    11. Dave says:

      Of course, it can’t have anything to do with that giant toilet swoosh of jobs being sucked away by a flood of foreign workers, and companies offshoring! I work for a fortune 50 company. I am about the only American I see! I would shock you with a spy camera just walking down a single row of cubicles! And, that’s the true problem with America is no one knows what the F is going on!

      • Dave says:

        You might reply with “the kids coming from our colleges aren’t as qualified”. NONSENSE! I’m a computer science grad, with 30 years, and I’ll take them over the foreigners any day! They can speak well, they are just as intelligent! The appeal companies have for foreigners is cheap indentured labor! They will work for far less, and they are 100% dependent on the company! Without the job they have to leave, so they are real nice, and will allow anything!

        • Winston INGSOC Smith says:

          Yes, the Big Brother leadership types in Fortune 500 corporations want drone-like employees. Think only enough to keep the revenue coming in, but don’t think so much that you might question the entrenched habits of those at the top.

          I have always thought that college fraternities/sororities are nothing more than minor league training camps for the Fortune 500.

    12. Satori says:

      kinda hard to move out on your own if your making $10 an hour

      I had a friend here who was living in a great loft apartment
      for a couple hundred a month

      he got transferred to a big city
      houses here that sell for $80,000 were selling for $800,000 there
      yeah
      x10 thats right

      guess what happens to your standard of living?

      $800 a month here will get you a ghetto apartment in the bad section of town

      the middle class is a species that is going extinct
      most people,allowing for inflation,actually make less money now than they did 20 years ago

      • Kevin2 says:

        Satori

        In the day, mid / late 1970s we knew that before long we would be working at.

        DuPont
        Mobil
        Texaco
        Shell
        Monsanto
        BP
        Sunoco
        Hercules
        BF Goodrich

        Today

        2 of 3 DuPont Plants closed the remaining went from 6000+ to 500
        Mobil, changed hands 2x, was 1500 employees, now 500
        Texaco closed
        Shell closed
        Monsanto, changed ownership, was 200 now 100
        BP, was 700 now 400
        Sunoco closed
        Hercules was 300 now 30 or less (only remains open to avoid environmental cleanup is closed
        BF Goodrich, changed ownership, unknown employees

        Best I figure is the area went from 15,000 jobs to 1,600 tops.

        Legacy? The muskrats have tumors.

        • Braveheart1776 says:

          Kevin2, from 1975 to 1982 I made $200-$300 a week driving a cargo van for a courier service. My wife, as a nurse, made $200 a week. In those days that was decent money and we did pretty good. Back then we could do a lot of things with that kind of money that no one could do today. Money doesn’t go anywhere near as far as it used to.

    13. GardenNut says:

      *shrug* You can view it as you like. My family all lives together on 5 acres. Grandparents, parents, my generation, and, in the future, our kids. It’s the same format as my family has been doing for hundreds of years. The Italian side calls it the Villa, the Irish side calls us the Teaghlach.

      Many hands make light work. We share a roof and we share all the work. Everyone has chores, everyone helps put food on the table. Honestly, I’m always confused when people decry sharing a household as “slacking.” Harvesting from break of dawn to dusk, staying up for 36 hours straight helping with livestock that are having a complicated birth, mending fences, these things are not light jobs. An extra pair of hands is welcomed not shunned.

      In times of prosperity we are more likely to branch out, but in times of trouble we always shelter together. You should have seen us during the Depression. All the family clans banded together, they fished together, they hunted together, they raised children together, they lived as close together as possible. Aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, etc. It’s actually really hard to work out exact relations, because in general all adults except parents and grandparents are just introduced to the kids as “aunt” or “uncle.” Way easier than trying to remember that Uncle Tony is actually a first cousin twice-removed.

      It wasn’t until the 1970’s that my family felt comfortable enough to drift apart. There’s fewer of us now. Less children in each generation will do that. So will cancer. But here we are again, times have gotten harder and so once again we are starting to band together. I don’t see that as a bad thing.

    14. Satori says:

      anybody wanna work for the ASSHOLE that runs this company?

      Must See: Ridiculous Craigslist Posting In Austin For ‘Entry Level’ Job

      h ttp://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/must-see-ridiculous-craigslist-posting

      wow !!!

      $8.50 an hour !!!

    15. Copper says:

      Weak or absentee fathers combined with coddling mothers makes adult offspring into basement dwelling children. Ambition is a bygone character trait and there isn’t a sense of urgency to start your life. Doing too much for people isn’t love. It is self absorbed and harmful.
      People will almost always rise to the occasion. If there weren’t the parent safety net available, adult children would do what it takes to not be hungry and homeless. The US is full of young adults who think it’s ok to sponge off parents and eventually society. Young men remain at home until they are neither young or men. The stigma of living in your parents home, is gone. Women put up with these grown boys and will eventually be more of a mother than a wife or girlfriend.
      Of course I am speaking about attitudes and not the entire generation but the problem will be exasperated and few real men will be available for marriage and employment.
      I’m all for helping family. Absent a physical or mental health issue, I would have a time line for my kid if they needed a place to stay.

    16. Plan twice, prep once says:

      An aspect of the kids living in the basement really creeps me out and that is the radon levels in most American basements.

      Constant low level radiation is a killer, it just takes 10 to 20 years to kill you.

      In a culture where having children is being delayed a decade or more, this living in the basement crap is not healthy.

      We are a dying society already.

    17. That guy says:

      Part of it is the economy, part of it is laziness. The company i work for cant find good people looking for factory work. My dept paus 27.68 per hour after three years, yet most kids that work (occupy space) here don’t want to come to this dept cause its a lot of hard work. For anyone in the ann arbor michigan area looking for good paying factory work, look up dextech.

    18. rellik says:

      I can’t help but lay this at the feet of “helicopter parents”,
      Liberals, and Democrats. I won’t recount my youth, but I will say we had the freedom to roam, learn, break bones, get scared, get in trouble, and learn about the world outside. We got to play and be kids in a loosely structured environment called the real world.
      Kids today don’t seen to have learned about freedom and your responsibilities in a unpredictable world, so it is no surprise that they don’t “fly the coop”.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        Rellik, DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! I “flew the coop” exactly when I needed to and already knew a pretty good amount about the world but had to go ahead and learn the rest. These kids today don’t have the first clue and there’s enough blame to go around for everyone involved.

    19. Archivist says:

      Parents used to make it hard on children as they grew older so they would want to move out. Now the youth have internet, television, meals, laundry, and no expenses, so they don’t want to leave.

      And the amount of money paid by beginning minimum wage jobs shouldn’t be a barrier. I moved out of my parents’ house into my own place, and I was working for minimum wage ($2.00 at the time). I found a one-bedroom house barely standing and rented it for $50 a month (the landlady lived in a mobile home next door). After several years, I bought a small mobile home for $3,000 and paid it off in 3 years. I see young people on tv who think they are entitled to have a first home just as nice as what their parents worked a lifetime to afford. I started out small and worked my way up.

      I had to get out of my parents house, no matter the price.

    20. Asshat says:

      Sound like a parenting problem. My momma threw me out and said you gotta learn to fly. Parents nowadays coddle young adults. I read somwhere that some parents negotiate the terms of their kids employment. when I read that I was floored. These kids have been babied so much their mommy has to do their job interviews. If I was don’t the hiring that wouldn’t happen ever. You want a job come get it. They wanna live at home rent free drive a nice car smoke root and fuck all the whores. These kids will learn when mommy and daddy pass away who will negotiate shit for them then. Who knows it might not matter there will be social workers to do it for them. I say throw them to the wolves if they wanna make it they will grow up. I’d say by 21 they better be able to make it on their own.

      • Braveheart1776 says:

        Asshat, kids today don’t have a hope in hell. When I was still in high school, I knew I had to swim or sink. I knew how to swim before I was 18 and been swimming ever since. the kids today will just sink like rocks. They’re a lost cause.

      • Nemesis says:

        Years ago when my kids were 9 and 12 yrs old.. They came home from school one day and said, ” dad can we get cell phones, all of our friend have them”.. I looked at them and said, I’ll tell you what, you want a cell phone, GET A JOB!! I told them my job is to provide you with the things you need, not the things you want.. Well, they both got jobs shortly after, my youngest was an apprentice at a friend of mine, who ran a lawnmower / snowblower repair shop.. He was the cleanup boy.. And my oldest got a job working for a church / school, cleaning the Place.. And they learned the value of a dollar quickly.. They did well in school, went to college, and now both have great jobs today!!

      • Marie says:

        I know a casual friend of a friend. She is aged 54 and lived with her mother her whole life. She only dates guys who are in their 20’s and gets them i don’t know how., but since she dates only young guys she will never settle down with a guy her own age. Her mother is aged 86. I tried talking to the girl about what is she gonna do when the mom dies? (she works part time making $150 a wk and then saves all that for a trip to Florida in the winter) She didn’t want to talk or even THINK about her mother dying. She said if i continue she would hang up on me. Oh, she said the mom will leave her the house, BUT she can’t afford to keep it, taxes, utilities, cable tv, car insurence, etc. I think she will be a basket case when the mom dies or ends up in a nursing home………

    21. smokey says:

      There’s a 26-year old living in the basement of his parent’s home just up the street. Mom says her fair-haired boy is spending $2,500 a year at Starbucks and another $5,000 on vacations, such as surfing in Vietnam. Then add the toys, that’s even more money. That’s a year of rent, right there.

      They came home from a weekend trip to find out he had some buddies come over for a day of TV and video games, they ate about $100 worth of food.

    22. Dragon says:

      IMHO as a retiree; millennials are foolish unmotivated people. They Uber, they bicycle share, they pay $10.00 for a cup of coffee, they demand government help. The men today, who would of been labeled faggots forty years ago, are today testicleless mama’s boys, and the women, because of Hollywood, believe they are smarter and stronger than any man. Sitcom foolishness and begging are their mottos. Barney Sanders is their Fuehrer.

    23. Teacher says:

      If you would know all the useless crap they get in School, when they do get out, they realize they haven’t learned anything useful. Then it hits them that it’s (Life) all a Scam, no wonder they just say ‘Screw it!’.
      The schools in this country have gone down the sewers.
      Breeding a generation of losers.

    24. skeptic says:

      I sometimes think while reading this web site that I am caught in a time warp. The economy in our area has been smoking for several years. I don’t travel the country any more but reading here I would figure the rest of the country is in the financial crapper. Is that really the case?

      • Winston Smith says:

        With few exceptions, yes. The cost of living is exploding for those at or near the bottom while pay has remained stagnant or gone down for most people. Where I live, $700 a month gets you a one bedroom craphole with around 300 sq ft of living space, yet most people are making less than $10 an hour. There is no income mobility because all of the good jobs for low skilled workers have been outsourced so that a quarterly earnings report could be improved. The death of manufacturing jobs has led to an increasingly bifurcated society where only the few need bother think about advancing in life. For the rest of us, it’s just a slow grind going nowhere fast and biding our time until death.

    25. Asshat says:

      Can’t even get a 1bed crap hole around here for$1200 a mo. There is no affordable housing around here. Kids have the $ to get their own place though. They gotta just stop living beyond their means. As soon as they can afford an apt kick their ass out.

    26. Kid bashin’. Nuthin’ new.

      I once did some research on cave painting and even the Cro-Magnons were bitching about their kids being lazy and stupid…no values…always chasing skirts. Well, it may have been Sabre Tooth Tiger pelts…no matter. What’s old is once again new. SNORT}

      I graduated from school at seventeen and got kicked out before I turned eighteen. I always had a job and a roof over my head. Course, jobs were a lot more plentiful back then. I could quit a job one day and have a new one the next at the factory beside my last job. The only time I was without work was when I chose to be.

      Try that now-a-days. Most people now hold onto their jobs because they are scarce and if you can’t pay your .gov tribute the costumed clowns will come and put you on the street at the point of a gun.

    27. aljamo says:

      Work does not pay the bills for a rapidly growing segment of young Americans. Something has to break to make living more affordable. Many local governments are making laws trying to make the tiny house movement illegal. WTF! I was working at 18 and never lived at the parents home after, besides houses in Florida didn’t have basements. I have lived with family members for short spells during hard times though.

    28. I think the biggest problem here is that you have a generation of people who are learning to rely on a “parent” to take care of them. When their parents are gone, they will look to the government to take the role of parent. This is why socialism is starting to become accepted in this country. To many young people want someone else to take care of them

    29. Satori says:

      job opportunities abound !!!

      Strip club in Harrison enrages residents with sign

      h ttp://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/05/25/harrison-strip-club-sign/84909640/

    30. NutNattion says:

      stupid kids. Haven’t even learned how to live off of uncle sam.

    31. Beaumont says:

      I have personally oriented far-overqualified people, to perform menial labor and, so far as I am concerned, no longer living in a first world country.

    32. Click my name and read a reader comment on bankers vs us. Nuf said.

    33. Justaguy says:

      I am a 24-year old who still lives at home with his parents. All of my friends also live at home with their folks.

      All you people in the comments section knocking us for being unable to proverbially “pull ourselves up by our bootstraps” are clearly missing the point that it saves money. Some of my friends have trouble getting hired, while some of us make decent money. Maybe you guys have all been conditioned to mindlessly consume and throw money at things, but seriously, what’s the point of having your own place if you can barely afford it? My quality of life is higher living at home and having the extra money to pursue my many hobbies and interests than it would be if i had my own apartment.

      I’m sorry if your parents threw you out when you were 18 and you got suckered into a marriage with children by age 23, but the fact is that my generation is realizing that wage slavery, marriage, and children all place a massive drain on our time and financial resources, which is why we tend to live at home and get married later. Personally, (and i think many people in my generation think this too) i do not consider working a steady 50 hours a week while having a nuclear family with my own house and picket fence to be a “successful” way to lead one’s life.

     
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