Preppers Cookbook
The Prepper's Blueprint
The Prepper's Blueprint
Preps and Solutions
(Sponsored Ads)
Strategic Relocation
Silver
US Deception
Bulletproof Home Defense
top Prepper Web Sites
Recently Posted Articles and Videos
The Daily Sheeple
Ready Nutrition - Homesteading and Preparedness
The Prepper Website
SGT Report
Featured Destinations
The Liberty Mill
Web Destinations
  • * GoldBroker.com *
  • * Infowars *
  • * Jeff Rense *
  • * Prepper Website *
  • * Ready Nutrition *
  • * SGT Report *
  • * Silver.com *
  • * Stan Deyo *
  • * Steve Quayle *
  • * Survival Blog *
  • * The Daily Sheeple *
  • * The Organic Prepper *
  • * Wide Awake News *
  • 321Gold
  • Activist Post
  • All American Gold
  • Alt Market
  • American Preppers Network
  • Amerisafe Neighbor Network
  • Ammo For Sale
  • Apartment Prepper
  • Armageddon Online
  • Backdoor Survival
  • Bearish News
  • Berkey Guy Blog
  • Beyond Collapse
  • Black Listed News
  • Blue Collar Prepper
  • Calculated Risk
  • Chris Martenson
  • Code Green Prep
  • Collapse Medicine
  • Collapse Net
  • Countdown to Collapse
  • Daily Collapse Report
  • Daily Crux
  • Deadline Live
  • Doc Medina – Soapbox
  • Don't Tread on Me
  • Doom & Bloom Survival Medicine
  • Doomsday Prepping
  • Education After the Collapse
  • Enemies Foreign & Domestic
  • Eric Peters Politics
  • Family Survival Plan
  • FloJak
  • Fraudonomics
  • From the Blind
  • From the Trenches
  • Front Line of Defense
  • Full Spectrum Dominance
  • Government Is a Joke
  • Homestead Revival
  • International Forecaster
  • Jack Blood
  • Jeff Rense
  • Joe For America
  • King World News
  • Lew Rockwell
  • Liberty Blitzkrieg
  • Liberty Mill
  • Market Ticker
  • Max Velocity Tactical
  • Mish – Economic Trends
  • Modern Survival Online
  • Occupy Corporatism
  • Off Grid Survival
  • Oracle Broadcasting
  • Outdoors Native
  • Patriot Net Daily
  • Peak Prosperity
  • Pioneer Living
  • Preparedness Review
  • Prepography
  • Prepper Central
  • Prepper Dashboard
  • Prepper For The Worst
  • Prepper Trader
  • Prepping Blogs
  • Prepping for Hard Times
  • Prepping to Survive
  • Project Chesapeake
  • Rawles' Survival Blog
  • Sherrie Questions All
  • SHTF America
  • SHTF School
  • SHTF Wiki
  • Skeptical Survivalist
  • Sound Money Campaign
  • Sovereign Man
  • Sticker Armory
  • Story Leak
  • Survival and Prosperity
  • Survival Blogs
  • Survival Life
  • Survival Logic
  • Survival Magazine
  • Survival Prepper Joe
  • Survival Pulse
  • Survival Spot
  • Survival Week
  • Survivalist Boards
  • Survivopedia
  • Tactical Intelligence
  • The Burning Platform
  • The Prepared Ninja
  • The Prepper Journal
  • The Prepper Project
  • The Silver Bear Cafe
  • The Survival Mom
  • The Warning Signs
  • TheSurvivalistBlog.net
  • Truth Is Treason
  • Underground Medic
  • United American Freedom Foundation
  • Urban Survival Site
  • Value Investing Pro
  • What Really Happened?
  • Wood Pile Report
  • Yoga Sacramento
  • Zero Hedge

  • Clarocet for Kids
     

    SHOCK: 72 Hours After Grid-Down: Starvation, Supply Shortages, Food Lines, No Clean Water, No Gas, Transportation Standstill *Independent Reports, Pics, Video*

    Mac Slavo
    November 1st, 2012
    SHTFplan.com
    Comments (694)
    Read by 57,156 people

    A recent study noted that the majority of people have enough food in their pantries to feed their household for about three days and that seemingly stable societies are really just nine meals from anarchy. With most of us dependent on just-in-time transportation systems to always be available, few ever consider  the worst case scenario.

    For tens of thousands of east coast residents that worst case scenario is now playing out in real-time. No longer are images of starving people waiting for government handouts restricted to just the third-world.

    In the midst of crisis, once civilized societies will very rapidly descend into chaos when essential infrastructure systems collapse.

    Though the National Guard was deployed before the storm even hit, there is simply no way for the government to coordinate a response requiring millions of servings of food, water and medical supplies

    Many east coast residents who failed to evacuate or prepare reserve supplies ahead of the storm are being forced to fend for themselves.

    Frustration and anger have taken hold, as residents have no means of acquiring food or gas and thousands of trucks across the region remain stuck in limbo.

    Limited electricity has made it possible for some to share their experiences:

    Via Twitter:

    • I was in chaos tonite tryin to get groceries…lines for shuttle buses, only to get to the no food left & closing early (link)
    • I’m not sure what has shocked me more, all the communities around me destroyed, or the 5 hour lines for gas and food. (link)
    • Haven’t slept or ate well in a few days. Hope things start getting better around here soon (link)
    • These days a lot of people are impatient because they’re used to fast things. Fast food, fast internet, fast lines and fast shipping etc. (link)
    • Glad Obama is off to Vegas after his 90 minute visit. Gas lines are miles long.. Running out of food and water. Great Job (link)
    • Went to the Grocery store and lines were crazy but nail salon was empty so I’ve got a new gel manicure and some Korean junk food (link)
    • So f*cking devastated right now. Smell burning houses. People fighting for food. Pitch darkness. I may spend the night in rockaway to help (link)

    Things are starting to become horrific for the unprepared, as food lines stretch for miles and Meals-Ready-To-Eat are in short supply:

    (above images via Gothamist)

    With mass transit out of service and no gas, residents have no choice but to commute by foot. Survival Blog founder James Rawles has referred to the masses of starving people who will roam the streets in a post-collapse world as the Golden Horde – here’s a small taste of what that will look like:

    The situation has become so desperate that some have been forced to resort to rummaging through the garbage for food:

    Video:

    “We’ve seen everyone here from the elderly, to families with children…”

    A simple 72 hour survival kit and some basic hurricane preparedness would have prevented days of heartache for residents of stricken areas.

    The vast majority of those waiting in mile-long long food lines, rummaging through the trash, and criticizing their government officials for a slow and insufficient response have no one to blame but themselves.

    This may be harsh – but it’s true.

    We wish all those having a difficult time dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy the best going forward. Perhaps it will be a wake-up call for the rest of the nation.

    Hurricane Sandy, while disastrous, is not nearly as bad as it could have been.

    It has happened before. It will happen again. Prepare or suffer the consequences.

    Please Spread The Word And Share This Post
        name:     email:        details

    Author: Mac Slavo
    Views: Read by 57,156 people
    Date: November 1st, 2012
    Website: www.SHTFplan.com

    Copyright Information: Copyright SHTFplan and Mac Slavo. This content may be freely reproduced in full or in part in digital form with full attribution to the author and a link to www.shtfplan.com. Please contact us for permission to reproduce this content in other media formats.

     

    694 Comments...

    Vote: Click here to vote for SHTF Plan as a Top Prepper Web Site
    1. Daisy says:

      To every person who has ever rolled their eyes at me or acted like I’m crazy for living the way I do:

      THIS IS WHY I PREP.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 428 Thumb down 8

      • johnny reb says:

        Amen those that rolled there eyes and looked at you as if you were crazy will some of the frist to come knocking at your door when shtf

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 155 Thumb down 2

        • DRD5508 says:

          Katrina and Sandy, any more questions on why one should prep? These two events illustrate perfectly the loss of freedom. People are not self reliant and when something goes wrong they have an escape goat: Uncle Sugar. The greatest con is to get others to trust in them rather than in oneself. Nothing wrong with helping others. It’s a shame that that many people are willing to wait in a line (for hours) for hand outs yet won’t spend the time to prevent being in these lines, i.e. prepping. We use to call it: For a Rainy Day.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 101 Thumb down 3

          • Stan says:

            What’s an “escape goat?” Lol!

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 7

            • TheGuy says:

              A…goat… that escapes?

              Hmm… a goat that helps YOU escape!

              Delta Xray Niner my fighter jet is going down…

              Ehhh roger… pull your escape goat…

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 3

            • SEW says:

              a “scapegoat” is something or some one to place the blame on when something goes wrong in your life…..in this case…people are pissed at the government and using it as a scapegoat…….like it’s the governments fault that they weren’t prepared….even though they had days of notice before the SHTF…..the term itself…is Biblical….when disaster would strike, the Hebrews would caramonially place everyones sins on a single goat and send it off into the desert.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 2

            • MAark57 says:

              A goat used to lead the “Cattle” or “Goyim” inside the slaughter house…

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 4

          • Smokey says:

            Escape Goat (Noun); A domestic horned animal, used for digging escape tunnels, overpowering guards, and riding swiftly away to freedom. Considered mythical by most prisoners, but highly desired by all. Can be barbecued if necessary.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 1

          • Gettin' Outta Dodge says:

            I’m gettin’ outta Dodge on my escape goat. I’m ridin’ high.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 2

        • Gods Creation says:

          On the positive side, millions more people will now see the necessity in being prepared to survive without the corp. handouts.

          The problem is not so much that they didn’t prepare, it is that they thought there was no need and the corp would save the day.

          Now they know better….

          When enough people can get by without the corp, and know they can get by without it, it will no longer be considered a necessity worth fighting for. When enough feel that way, there will be fewer to fight for it, or against us.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 54 Thumb down 2

          • Oldfart says:

            Most won’t change their ways though. Instead, they’ll write a letter to their congresscritter telling him/her that Big Brother needs to do more to keep things like this from happening again. Instead of becoming more self-reliant, they’ll seek a firmer grip on the government teat.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 99 Thumb down 1

            • PWelby says:

              sad but so true oldfart. me for example im 31 and i started prepping about a year ago i dont make a lot of money but me my wife and our daughter have enough supplies to get through
              about 6 mo. we only lost power for 24 hrs. but never noticed
              that we lost it i just wish more people could wake up after this but we shall see

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

          • Jim says:

            GC I think that is wishful thinking. They are getting hand outs from the Corp and by summer this will be forgotten and they will be getting their “obamaphone.” The biggest accomplishment of this storm is going to be causing people to prepare its making it possible for the lame stream media to present Mr. O’Failure as a all “presidential.” O’Failure got sent a gift from God and is using to roll into another 4 rounds of golf. And watch they’ll be after the 22nd amendment and seeking to ordain him King before too long.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 30 Thumb down 14

            • carynverell says:

              by this summer, most of those who survive this are gonna be sitting in fema camps and fema tents and fema campers. and they will still be on the dole. and they still wont “get it” about being self reliant and prepared.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 36 Thumb down 1

              • Zoltanne says:

                Carynverell, It’ll probably piss everyone off even more to learn that displaced people with no insurance and a destroyed/damaged home can live ‘rent free’ for a total of 18 months while their home is being rebuilt or refurbished. They can live in a hotel, a motel, an apartment — whatever they find and arrange. Oh, and a very high dollar limit based on cost of living per region.

                Our tax dollars at work…..

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1

                • Anonymous says:

                  Yeah… I’d be SO much happier knowing they were out on the street, starving.
                  Gosh, I just wish there was a way to ensure that No one could EVER benefit from MY tax dollars and hard work except, of course, you know , hard working people, like me.
                  God, I just wish we could go back in time, back in the old days, before ‘welfare’ and ‘unions’
                  ‘health care’ all that communist , liberal bullshit, Wild West , man. Every one, and I mean EVERY one should be working, 8-10 hrs a day. Christ, I’m gonna do 20 push-ups right now just to offset the guilt and shame I feel for sitting on my duff in front of the computer durin my gaddamn big government-mandated ‘weekend’. Shit, I’m just gonna dig some cache holes out back tomorrow for the sheer work of it! Cache some red wheat and beans… (Maybe a lil pea shooter to protect it from the handout zombies with too, if ya get my drift…;-)
                  What’s my neighbor doing this weekend? Probably drinking malt liquor and polishing his wheels on his friggin BMW….. idiot, he won’t be able to trade that damn yuppie yo-yo mobile for a can of beans when the shit goes down… Idiots!!!
                  I’ll never understand these folks, when they finally do get out of ‘da ghetto’ what do they spend their money on? Garbage. Tryin to live like friggin rock-stars, going into debt and for what?
                  I’ll tell ya, they’ll be the first ones in the damn soup line with their hands out, talking about all the ‘taxes’ they paid, and ‘hard work’ they’ve done, acting as if they’re OWED help from ‘their’ government when catastrophe hits. These scientists are yappin’ about another ‘dustbowl’ and drought coming like we had during the depression…. I’ll tell ya right now, those farmers aren’t gonna be sitting there with their damn hand out, looking for some kind of entitlement, free ride bullshit, because they are hard workers and they’re ready for ANYTHING!
                  I’m sick if all these idiots looking for some kind of return on their tax dollars when things don’t work out for ‘em. Handout Harry’s and Bailout Betty’s the lot of ‘em.
                  Well, I’m going to do another 20 push-ups and go get my beauty sleep. Haha.
                  God Bless, let the fool ‘live it up’ while the wise man prepares, that’s what I say.
                  Goodnight!
                  O’connor out!

                  Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

            • Gods Creation says:

              Jim, you are correct that the vast majority will forget what has happened and stick their hands right back out.

              But there will be, let’s say 5 percent that were already full of questions and now finally “get it” and will come over to our side, ready to fend for themselves and stand against the corp when the time comes.

              Five percent of 10,000,000 “victims” is an additional 500,000 soldiers in the fight for freedom and independence.

              There will always be a large number of hopeless souls who will never get it. They will pay the price when the bill comes due.

              But let us not discount the fact that many may end up far better off than they were before by expecting less from the corp and more from themselves.

              If the winds and waves of Sandy doesn’t wake them up, most likely nothing will. But there are many who will have been awaken to the dangers of corp dependence and seek freedom from it.

              Our numbers grow, corp dependency falls. The silver lining from the Sandy cloud. Each baby step helps us out.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 35 Thumb down 1

              • Robert says:

                Sandy was just a baby of a hurricane. Down in coastal N.C. most of us don’t even roll out of bed for a Cat1 hurricane.

                What N.Y. and that whole region better wake up to is the fact that they are, according to history, right in the sweet spot, or slightly past due for a “real” hurricane. I’m talking a good Cat 4 or 5. If they think this little breeze of a storm was bad wait till they get the real deal.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 6

            • Anonymous says:

              So, sunny Jim, if a hurricane or wildfire or flood came and swept through your little bunker and wipe out your ‘preps’, would that be a ‘government teat’ you’d be lazily sucking on?
              Of course not….. You’re prepared, right?
              ‘Handouts’ eh?
              None of those people probably ever paid taxes, or worked a day in their lives, right?
              Just all sat there on welfare, or stole from responsible, hardworking conservative folk, waiting for their hurricane Katrina photo op?
              Where do you people come from, seriously?
              You want to talk victim mentality?
              Listen to yourself!!!
              Bitching and whining and losing sleep over the thought of someone getting a ‘free ride’?
              That’s how you spend your days?
              When the shtf, you’re going to have to learn to work with people, real people, all kinds,
              That’s the reality my friend. Sounds like you enjoy having things the way they are right now, the whole ‘us’ and ‘them’ thing.
              Good luck with that.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

          • TheGuy says:

            They knew better after Katrina.

            Here’s the part I’m waiting for: they vote in Romney, gas stays at $4.30, we don’t drill (still) for no apparent reason, and we keep bleeding jobs. And the wealthy and the corporations keep getting welfare.

            This is apparently what it’s going to take for people to realize it doesn’t make even the slightest bit of difference who you vote for.

            I came to that conclusion after the Bush / Obama power shift.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 46 Thumb down 37

            • TheGuy says:

              I see 12 people haven’t learned the lesson yet.

              Ok.

              Vote for your corporate savior of the month. Sadly I probably will be too, ’cause what else am I gonna do…

              See how nothing happens. Maybe then you’ll get it too.

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 10

            • Harold says:

              Wanna bet that not even 1% had flood insurance, even those living a block from the ocean?

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

            • Freight85 says:

              I came to the same conclusion after the Bush/Obama shift I thank God I woke from the Left/Right paradigm hypnosis.

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 5

          • oldvet says:

            Not trying to argue against your point,..but,..you assume these same idiots have learned a lesson. I emphasize they have not. These “give-me”sheep are the same breed that BLEATED for food during Katrina. A Lazy do it for me slave never learns. This is what is known as a useless eater…..a man endowed with God given common sense will prepare for the “rainy” day….not cry as a child and beg federal money from the rest of us…..poo poo on the whinny as*’s

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 3

            • Mike says:

              Give a man a fish and he eats for a day… Teach a man to fish and he eats for a life time… Problem with allot of these folks… they just don’t want to learn. LAZY…..

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 2

              • Anonymous says:

                Sheesh. It’s funny as f$&k reading this stuff after being in Cuba for the last month.
                Ha, we live in a country where we have an elected government to whom we PAY TAXES to provide an infrastructure and yes goddamn it a SAFETY NET.
                This is the CIVILIZATION we chose over communism, socialism, etc.
                you guys all whining about ‘sheeple’ being ‘dependent’ upon the government for ‘handouts’ and so on and so on…. Yeah, you want to live in the Wild West right? Every big man for himself, less government , blah blah blah.
                Go move to Somalia.
                Give your heads a shake. Yes there are people who leech off of the system, many who do are very wealthy, not just ‘minorities’ and ‘lazy people’ from the ‘ghetto’
                Give me a break!
                So much thinly veiled hatred, racism, selfishness, and fear on all of these shtf sites.
                Bunch of fat rednecks praying for ‘disaster’ so they can shoot ‘looters’
                That’s why I don’t feel safe in MY OWN COUNTRY.
                RIP Trayvon

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 3

            • bbbrrrp says:

              where is poor 99 on this one,no posting huh, guess she is eating her shoes about now, anyone have any ketchup for her, she is an example of a loser

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 2 Thumb down 11

            • Anonymous says:

              All about the ‘breed’ eh, ‘wild west’?
              You poor victim you, carrying all of those greedy, lazy, stupid, ‘useless eaters’
              On your big, strong, aryan ( just guessing here) back.
              What a life it must be.

              Yours truly,
              An EXPAT happily living in CANADA.
              You’ve got one less to worry about, Captain America.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 3

          • Like to think you’re right GC. I do enjoy your comments. Some will have that enlightened moment, but it will just a few I’m afraid. Remember only one pig out of three was smart enough to build a brick house.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

        • Dara says:

          In Utah – LDS or not, we all prep. We have destructive floods where homes float away but as a small town, we do not have enough homes damaged to get any help. We just suck it up. Neighbors stack sandbags and eat food from their storage. Keep the video of the city dweller dumpster divers- for your kids.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 36 Thumb down 0

        • Prepared Painter says:

          Bad idea… I may not “win”, but I can make the cost very high…

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

        • Rick:) says:

          Rant. Just got back from “trying” to deliver 2 generators to Long Island. 220 mile drive one way. Deal was brokered, $7000 cash, for a business owner to open his shop. After driving all day, having the gensets load banked, the buyer’s power came back. I don’t blame him for not doing the deal. So here I am, in NY with 2 generators and fuel. Slept in the truck, to try to do a deal in the daylight. This should be a peice of cake. I coudn’t give them away! Well, maybe. That’s pretty much what they ALL expected.
          Here’s the problem, as I see it. The Anti-gouging laws do not let a business owner the ability to recoup their costs. I could have easily got a store open, but the owner would have to be allowed to charge $5 for a coke, and people would be gratefull to pay. As it stands, they can only raise their prices 10%, or $20,000 fine.
          Let the market function and these folks will have all they need in no time.
          Feel sorry for the folks. Screw the stupid politicians.

          LIFT THE STUPID ANTI GOUGING LAWS. You see what you have now. See what miracles happen.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 18

          • Anonymous says:

            Supply & Demand is a law, maybe not “the” law for the little people.

            Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 3

          • GUNNY says:

            I disagree 100% thr ant-gaugung laws have a purpose, so as to stop people from doing exactly what you are proposing. Fair market value is one thing but enriching yourself on thr misery of others has nothing to do with fair market value. $7000 for two generators is an example. In noral times the price would have been no more than $1750 for 2 generators, some fuel and transportation. You made a killing on the misery of others. You might think this is good business. Rest assured, when the emergency is over this client will not know you. If you are a business, perhaps he will even report you. Now is the time for Americans to unite and help each other, rejecting people who want to profit from their misery. People who gauge are no better then those who loot, except they do it without a gun or violence. Perhaps someone should have stopped you en route to the delivery and taken the 2 generators from you, after all, you believe the person who has the upper hand should prevail.

            Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 21

            • eeder says:

              @gunny. 7000 bucks for 2 generators that would get a store operating is not neccecarily a rip off. if its for a business it needs to generate more power than most smaller generators. and if gas was 5 or 6 bucks a gallon, youd also get supply coming in very quickly, a few generators and it could make a huge difference. the anti gouging laws are ridiculous and they will never do anything but hurt those in disasters like this. think about it.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 3

            • Rick:) says:

              You sir, are a complete idiot and a perfect example of the reining stupidity .

              Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 3 Thumb down 9

              • Rick:) says:

                Oh, and by the way, don’t worry about any stopping and taking along the way. Only a fool would go to that cesspool “unprepared”.

                p/s. just for your info, one of the sets was a MEP003 on a trailer, Overhauled at Letterkenny in 05, less than 250 hours. Ugly and noisy, but built 10 times better than the junk at the stores.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 4

          • Smokey says:

            What did you pay for your two generators?

            Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 4

          • Dboy says:

            Lift just about ALL laws. Here’s the problem. People like laws that: 1) helps them and screws other people 2) forces your beliefs on other people. As long as people want to use laws/force/guns to control others, you are going to have laws that cause you problems. and of course ultimately this means that government is the problem…Reagan was SO right about that.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

          • You sir, are a crook. It’s that simple.

            Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 3 Thumb down 5

      • I hate (standing in) lines (being herded), with a passion.

        Maybe that’s why I prep.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 157 Thumb down 1

        • lonelonmum says:

          EA I seem to have a pathological aversion to feeling herded so I’d agree with you.

          I’m in the UK so maybe really missing a crucial point here. How are they starving already?

          Most of those pictures aren’t from the burnt out/totally devasted areas (no power is NOT that big a deal at this stage after a storm that big). Most of the people in line aren’t elderly infirm. If that’s true then these people were going hungry BEFORE the storm hit. How many people in the lines were already homeless and destitute before Sandy?

          The lines are by definition located in areas where it’s pysically possible to stand around for 5 hours (no chest high flood water yet to recede.

          How can they say there is STARVATION after just 3 days in places like this? I’d expect a few belly rumbles as people adjust to rice/beans & ramen noodles cooked on the camp stove after a diet of fancy steaks.

          I’ve just concluded that I’m obviously a really lazy mare, as evacuating sounds like the far easier option for those of us who like the “easy” option in life. Same goes for gradually prepping over a few years, (even if all I’ve done this week is tuck away a bit of sale candy).

          Looking at those images I’m shocked to find it’s the representatives of “gubberment” tasked with keeping order, & controlling the herd I have the most personal sympathy for. Who’d wanna be a rescue worker/1st responder for lemmings?

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 64 Thumb down 7

          • Another Comment says:

            >> I’m in the UK so maybe really missing a crucial point here. How are they starving already?

            New York is different. The vast majority there do NOT cook. Real estate is very unaffordable so the emphasis is on finding somewhere to sleep. And then you use “the city” as your back yard/playground/kitchen/etc.

            The “kitchens” in most apartments are pathetic. Dinky and dysfunctional. I moved to NYC after b-school and was shocked at what rented for what price. What passed for a bedroom (we call those “closets” elsewhere…seriously, I’ve had closets bigger since) and the “kitchen” in one 1 BR was literally a hot plate on top of a mini fridge with a sink jutting from the wall. That was nearly $2k per month and in Brooklyn, not Manhattan (cheaper). That was the worst one, but many aren’t much better. They aren’t a priority.

            And 99% of the time that is fine. What do they do instead? Delivery. Most New Yorkers have a stack of menus they can have food delivered to their door in 15-20 minutes. And it is wonderful food. Ethnic food from all around the world, 5-star food, you name it. Or they meet friends at restaurants. Or grab things at food carts, which can be amazingly good. Or pick up ready food on the way home from Grand Central or any of the small shops or hundreds of green grocers.

            It’s a completely different mind-set and life-style. I never got used to it.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 94 Thumb down 5

            • Another Comment says:

              Oh, so the point is – no they weren’t starving. And also, no I’m not condoning not buying basic supplies in advance of the storm. That was just stupid.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 11

            • hammerhead says:

              i cannot imagine that lifestye , seems foriegn to me.
              but thanks for the very enlightening post .

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 47 Thumb down 0

            • JillWu says:

              What ever happened to personal responsibility?? It’s not like these people were not warned for several days that a HUGE storm was coming their way. Why did they not stock up on food and water to least a few weeks?? Now they are complaining and want the gov to fix it all with a magic wand. It’s the same every year. A hurricane or snow storm comes and people are surprised and unprepared. I just don’t get it…

              We have stocked up about 6 months worth of food and personal hygiene supplies. All neatly stashed away under the bed in our small 1 bedroom apartment. My best friend is a consultant for a company that sells freeze dried and dehydrated food at great prices. We love the food so much we use some of it every day, even without having an emergency. They sell everything from freeze dried mushrooms, freeze dried ground beef and even freeze dried cheese. No refrigeration needed and a shelf life of 25 years. The freeze dried fruit is unbelievably good. My daughters just eat it as a snack right out of the can. Anyway, … Just check it out http://www.srmarketplace.com. Who knows what coming our way next. Natural disaster or TEOTWAWKI – it’s time to get prepared!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 11

              • DieselDan says:

                People can get this food way cheaper than this by buying direct, your “friend” ain’t doing anyone any favors at that price!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 1

              • earthspirit7 says:

                Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

                Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 34

              • @ earthspirit7
                First of all, it seems to me that the preppers that post here are some of the most compassionate humans around. I think you might be taking things out of context. Furthermore, who says you need money to Prep?

                Prepping can be a frustrating and lonely occupation. Case in point: the story of Noah and the Ark. On the other hand, it can also be one of the most spiritually fulfilling and empowering endeavors on the planet. In fact, the entire process for me is more than just collecting (hoarding; as seen from outsiders) provisions and skills to ride out the storm, no, it’s a journey, of great spiritual value, because as one goes through the process, one’s life opens to a whole new realm of existence; one of self reliance, self sufficiency, self discovery. That’s one of the reasons we come to this site. To share the experiences, the adventures, the “ups and downs”. In the beginning, one gets the strangest looks and is perceived as a “survivalist”. I personally don’t like that label. It’s so incomplete. It’s selfish and far from how I live my life. Anyway, those that post here constantly have to deal with those that choose to live in Denial. It’s like beating one’s head against a brick wall. “Wake up, wake up, don’t you see what’s coming?” we find ourselves repeating, ad nauseum. You just wonder where peoples brains are at. How ignorant and selfish people are. It gets old, real fast. So, we see what is going on on the east coast. We here stories of people “starving”. Starving? After 3 or 4 days? Highly unlikely. Yes, there are homeless that are on the hunger edge on a daily basis, but that’s not who we are talking about. When “perceived” coherent humans act like children; i.e. as if someone else is responsible for their well-being, someone else should be taking care of them, now that is what upsets us. These are not children. These are adults that go day to day, living for the moment, self absorbed. ME FIRST. No, these people need to learn a listen. We did, that’s why we have skills and provisions. We learned the value of being prepared so that we could travel the path of least resistance. These people, lost in their make believe, picture postcard world of Denial are in for a rude awakening. This is small stuff compared to what is REALLY COMING. Some will GET IT, THIS TIME. But for those who don’t, those who want to keep living in la la land, they, they are the one’s that will deserve exactly what they get. Those are the ones we are tired of whispering and yelling to, Wake up, wake up.

                This is a cliche, but God helps those who help themselves. Everyone, no matter if they have money or not can PREPARE. Just have to begin to move in that direction and Higher Forces will start to support.

                Those

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 29 Thumb down 5

              • SurvivorMomma says:

                Thank you thank you thank you. You saved me having to write this. Watching people on tv: shocked, in disbelief, and cursing the ‘govt’ for not being there immediately with everything THEY need (WANT) to maintain their comfort…burr under my saddle. Those who chose to ignore GTHOOT evac orders and nearby folks who KNEW this was coming and refused to prepare deserve no pity. Empathy, but not sympathy. Even people whose homes were badly flooded SHOULD have had SHTF caches: we, for example, use 55 gallon food grade barrels (a dozen of them) – sealed, floodproof, and stocked with everything our family would need for more than a month, sufficient to start over (with resourcefulness nad our tools) in a true TEOTWAWKI scenario. Why the 80%+ refuse to do this I cannot fathom.

                There is so much easy to find and use foodstuff today. Add water and stir or eat from the pkg. make your own stove, even gather and purify your own water. It is not rocket science and if you devote just a small amount of resources on a regular basis it is not a burden. Sigh

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

              • Seraphim1313 says:

                I’m a prepper and all I have to say is that some areas that were not even close to the ocean, but had inlets from rivers had homes floating 20 feet under water. shit happens, so as the adage goes for survivalists, two is one and one is none. this is why it’s important to have a back up cache.

                so if a tornado hit your house would you still have 6 months worth of food? And hygiene would be the least of your worries.

                not singling your out, but before this I thought just like you, I’m just happy that the homes less then a mile from my house who were 20 feet under water didn’t get any closer. and I just got power back yesterday.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

            • Anonymous says:

              Your right. It is a different culture along with different habit for meals/cooking in NY. However it is the same in ALL large cities! People don’t have cars because it is cheaper to rent one on the weekend you need one. (rentals are cheap on weekends) Or you have to pay $250-$500 a month for parking. Without a car you really can’t go food shopping because you simply can’t carry all of it 7 blocks and then up to your apt. Also as stated above you are surrounded by instant great food at the flip of the dial. Well now they will pay and they may even take a lesson away with them. I commented a few days ago when this began about how those who didn’t prepare and those who did prepare by going to the store 4 hours before the storm hit would be disappointed when the storm was over, Here is my earlier post……..

              disector284 says:
              October 29, 2012 at 7:23 pm
              After the storm many people will go to the store thinking that it automatically refilled itself. Imagine their disappointment when the selves are still empty. This could be a good time to reinforce the need to prepare with your neighbors. You might want to strike up a conversation while you are grilling some nice steaks about a week from now having a cold beer while waving at your wife preparing you an appetizer from the nice cozy kitchen.

              Well I digress and stick to my guns when I say these poor people are just idiots. F&cking idiots! This is just a taste of what is to come people. Just a taste! Before this little storm ends we will see cold snaps/rain and snow dampen the efforts of those who are trying to repair this mess. You want to see tempers flare. Wait until the EBT mouth breathers have their say when they go to Wal-Mart tomorrow and there is nothing but empty shelves. LOL! Then you will see the poor take it out on their leader O-Bumhard. Where’s my free shit they will cry!

              Yes this is going to get very interesting by this time next week.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 47 Thumb down 6

              • Live free or die says:

                Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

                Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 69

              • Stepabove says:

                Live free – i think the piont is people that think ahead, set a little aside, and try (least try a little )have been the butt of jokes for too long.

                Assistance program should be a hand up not a hand out. A few years back i was on foodstamps for 2 months. I never ate that good when i had to put the bill. So i don’t it would be unheard of to buy a few less ho-hos and instead buy a couple cans of soup to slide in the back of the cabinet. (just in case)

                Cause you never know when “Sandy Hits The Fan “

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 0

              • lonelonmum says:

                http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lightweight-Shopping-Trolley-Colour-Black/dp/B00402CTO4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1351884970&sr=8-5

                One of these will hold 2 weeks of food for a couple on the bus/tube. My 76 year old mother can get her shopping home with one ffs. Not trendy I’m sure – but it does the job if you don’t have a car in a large city & wanna get a sack of rice of potatoes or rice home for your preps.

                Mine comes with an integral seat for waiting at the bus stop/family picnics/camping
                http://www.amazon.co.uk/EASY-Shopping-Trolley-Built-Seat/dp/B008HZMMXS/ref=sr_1_4?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1351885744&sr=1-4

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 1

              • Live free or die says:

                Stepabove,

                It is not what the idiot said, it is how he thinks that it is funny. Isn’t he the same guy who told someone a while ago to just kill themselves if they felt suicidal? Anonymous is a slimy slug and that is being kind. I have no dissagreement with people paying the price when they are ill prepared and knowingly use the system, but I find it sad, not (lol) funny. That is all I have to say so take it for what it is worth. I really don’t give a damn what anyone thinks.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 7

              • Anonymous says:

                Sorry live free and die a horrible death.

                I have no idea why my posting….disector284 was posted as anon. Apperently you don’t understand sarcasim. I don’t wish pain or hunger on anyone! I do think it’s funny for those who choose a lifestyle of LIVING OFF THE PAYCHECK of hard working people though. A great many people get into situations that blindside them. The system we all pay into is there as a backstop to help folks who need HELP! Not for those who a bloodsucking leeches. You can feel good giving part of your paycheck to all the mouth breathers but I don’t. And as a matter of fact I am entiteled to my own opinion as you are yours. Just learn how to read between the lines a bit before you go blasting off on a rant.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 7

              • Stepabove says:

                LIve free Sorry For some reason it won’t let me reply directly that being said

                Point taken

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

              • Ryback says:

                Live Free; I see this at the food banks all the time; Big white HUMMER or some SUV pulls up BOOMIN with bling,bling, around 8 to 10 minorities jump out, usually all following an overweight woman, all go in and get this, EACH claim they have a large family. When their all done they leave out of there and load up with at least a half ton of food, yes for real 1000 lbs. And a pickup truck appears out of nowhere and loads up. And if anybody says anything the large woman gets in their face usually with the older kids screaming names at everyone. I’ve seen this happen many times.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 40 Thumb down 1

            • Ryback says:

              Exactly, different mindset, set in their ways, unwilling to change until change happens to them. Thats New York City for ya

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

            • John W. says:

              Depends on where you are. No one where I grew up ordered out. Everyone cooked except for special occassions, however that was in Queens not Manhattan.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

          • Cause maybe one out five of them or more are on benefits. Which are mostly paid out on the 1st of the month. Often the last two or more days of benefits these poor bastards are on thin rations.
            So now they have no way to shop without cash . So good possibility they are already in the nine missed meals stage.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1

            • Lori says:

              I was going to say the same thing. This happened Monday, the 29th. TANF, SNAP, SSI, etc., plus many employers’ (especially for big companies) payouts don’t kick in until the 1st (and possibly 15th). And, unlike when my grandma was on social security, where she waited by the mailbox for her check to cash on the 3rd, this is all on cards. Even our military pays on the 1st and 15th via direct deposit only. The cost of living is very high, so many people (barely) live check to check, and the last few days, if not the full week before, things are very lean.

              Coming from a poor, urban upbringing, and by poor I mean not always having something to eat, not just something good to eat, I understand the cycle. I’ve been working hard, steadily, as I can, to prevent that from ever happening to me again. I live in a major city too, so I get it. Just get a little further each time.

              I’m happy there are so many trying to keep it together and helping each other, but as we all know, desperate people do desperate things. And the mayor wanting to have the marathon? Really? I’ve seen Twitter posts telling the runners, where the starting point is in Staten Island btw, to run the opposite direction at the sound to help those all but trapped there. I’d pay money to see that.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 0

            • Anonymous says:

              Think about it M. No power= no EBT swiping.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 34 Thumb down 1

            • It is the 1st of the month. How are all the welfare funds going to reach these recipients if there is no electricity? Remember what happened in Antlanta, GA when the welfare funds weren’t sent out. There were some angry people. But it wasn’t millions of them.

              Oh My God! There is discomfort now, but there will be rioting soon.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 35 Thumb down 1

              • Another Comment says:

                I know someone posted above that all large cities are the same. They are not.

                South Atlanta is crammed with a very poor, very angry black population. During normal times I have felt VERY unsafe just fueling the car there on the way to the airport. I’ve never seen such hatred in someone’s eyes for no reason.

                There are some nasty, nasty areas in Brooklyn and Bronx, but they weren’t really affected terribly. The areas that were are mostly working class. Or controlled by the Russian mob. I would not expect to see similar behavior to Atlanta.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

            • Robert says:

              I was on foodstamps once for 6 months while raising 2 children. At the end of that 6 months I literally had 2 and a half months worth of stamps left and a packed out pantry, fridge, and freezer.

              What i didn’t do back then, and still don’t today is waste money(or stamps in this case) on junk food, frozen dinners sodas, etc. I also didn’t buy ribeye and strip steak, which I have seen MANY people on stamps do. I’ve seen them buy cases of brand name bottled water even though our city water tastes very good and tests clean. I rarely bought brand name items because most generics are made by the same companies that make the brand names and they taste pretty much the same(not all though, but most)

              It’s this waste that causes people on stamps(as well as people paying with their earned money) to run out near the end of the month, not the amount given.

              And let’s not forget that quite a few of them have smart phones and loaded up cable//satellite TV and computers with internet. These things are nice to have, but it takes a special kind of stupid to have them and run out of food every month. A $20 prepaid flip phone(and no home phone) with a few hundred minutes is plenty to hunt a job with(I pay $25 a month from Virgin Mobile for 300 minutes and unlimited data)but I think It has gone up to $35 now(petty sure I’m grandfathered into the old price) Very basic cable, unless they actually get good OTA reception, then no cable TV at all is needed. And I don’t mind them having cable it really should be the slowest/cheapest they an find.

              We have become a nation of people who put their wants above their basic needs. Which I suppose if all fine and good as long as your paying your own way. Not so fine and good when others are having to pay for it.(we buy their food so they can pay their cable TV bill, means we are in fact paying their cable bill and all the other unnecessary luxuries as well).

              I truly don’t mind helping those in need, but I damn well expect them to tighten their belts as much as possible to help themselves out and reduce how much money they take away from those paying. I don’t expect them to eat prime rib while watching HBO and talking on their smart phone and then complain they don’t get enough help from the government.

              I bust my ass at work and my bills are tight enough that I’m very careful of my spending so that I can have money for a few of those luxuries(even though my smart phone is a 2YO prepaid, it surfs the net well enough), and I still can’t afford any “pay” channels, I’m doing alright as long as I’m not wasteful(above mentioned junk food, expensive steaks etc.) they could do the same.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 0

              • Robert says:

                Oh, and yes I do realize that some do tighten their belts a lot, and I commend them, so don’t jump up and down screaming that not everyone is that way, I already know this. BUT, that being said the majority try their best to keep the same lifestyle as much as possible while on stamps. Totally stupid and selfish to put it nicely.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

          • veggimama says:

            perhaps they should say will be starving…. it’s the shock value… millions on the coast starving! c’mon we’re sick of here obama romney news, boring- give me starving americans, better yet in nyc with no water and the nat. gaurd on the streets! now that’s entertainment!

            as far as people on the street, displaced from the storm, many probaly already “food insecure” cuz, what is it something like 1/2 kids under 18 in NY are. Many people born and raised in NYC that i’ve known don’t have much knowledge outside thier little world that never sleeps…superficial at best.

            my daughter whines every night at supper that she’s starving! yet refuses to try new foods, or eat onions… i tell her than you’re not starving yet- it takes about 5 days to really start breaking down physically, mentally

            but in those 5 days- remember it’s been three already, people start to get nervous, like will i eat again, also remember a large # of americans are diabetic, while taking insulin, no food for a couple days can be life threatening.

            i thought fema was reported to have bought sooo much mres recently. 1 mre is plenty for an adult for 1 1/2 days, something like 3000 cals? but for spoiled rotten nyrs, used to three meals a day, of their favorite junk, and coffee- you know how many go nuts without joe? (i’m from ny, so i’m not slamming nyrs from an outside perspective either)

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1

        • Highspeedloafer says:

          I agree 1000%. I will not be herded. It is in my blood. My father was the most stubborn man you never met and I and my brothers are just like him. Sometimes these traits come in real handy. God Bless the independant men of our nation.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0

          • John W. says:

            Must be hard getting through life with that attitude. No one can tell or show you anything,Huh? If someone through you a life ring when you were drowing you would refuse it?

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

      • Be informed says:

        @ Daisy. Exactly. And you can expect this ANYWHERE in the country or world after a SHTF event that is more than possible ANYWHERE. What they need to do is to take these pictures and post captions under them that say, “This is your DESTINY when you fail to prepare WHEN a disaster strikes your hometown, state or country”. “Learn from this, don’t get caught like these people that didn’t plan ahead”.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 55 Thumb down 1

        • Anonymous says:

          Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

          Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 139

          • Norse Prepper says:

            How about $20 for a 50 pound bag of rice? If every one of the impoverished quit drinking, smoking and cancelled their cable tv I’m guessing that I just found another $50 per month. I know, not all of them do, but I would bet the vast majority has at least one of the 3 habits I mentioned. Any of them saves $50/Montgomery.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 102 Thumb down 1

            • Norse Prepper says:

              Per month, not Montgomery. Stupid phone…

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 39 Thumb down 4

            • @Norse Prepper…(and all others who would like to participate) Can we share the main items in our 72 hr bob? I would like to put several together for some grown children and grandchildren who I know have nothing in their cars. Just the real essentials, I even saw or heard somewhere that you could do a real neat package in a tin coffee can??? but can’t find that now.

              Copperhead did give me good ideas for a winter supply in the trunk of car, and did get some of those items recently…BTW, where is Copperhead?? He really shared a lot of good info with us back on Oct 17th!! I do love his posts!! Thanx in advance everyone!! take care CC.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

              • Norse Prepper says:

                Great discussion. Taking the chance that I will be dropped from the circle of trust, I admit that I don’t have a bob or 72 hour kit. I do have a basic winter survival kit in the car consisting of candles, food, blanket and winter clothing though.

                The reason I don’t have a bob is by choice. I have no plans to bug out because I if the SHTF I plan on bugging in. I don’t have a retreat location to go to and in the initial stages of a SHTF event I will be hunkering down at home. By leaving my place I will be making a decision to be a refugee and that is a much worse alternative than staying put.

                I may live to regret it, but that is the path I have chosen.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 37 Thumb down 1

              • Daisy says:

                Norse – I have gear in my truck in case we are caught away from home and need to get back. Hiking gear, some lightweight camping gear, extra boots, some food and some water. I worry more about getting home than leaving home.

                I also have no intention of bugging out or evacuating. I do have a bag for each of us though – if the house caught on fire, for example (God forbid) it might mean that we at least had a change of clothes and ID – just my .02

                ~ D

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 3

            • Harold says:

              I used to be a landlord. Rent was the LAST bill paid each month. Cable or satellite (multiple LNBs) was always up and running. You can buy a lot of soup for what most of the SNAPpers spend on junk food.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

          • Getting prepared doesn’t have to take $500… at least not all in one fell swoop…

            Just $5 a week in preparedness supplies is $250 per year invested. For that you can buy 200 pounds of dry goods like rice, beans, corn, wheat, flour and cornmeal.

            $150 – what someone spends on their monthly phone, car insurance or cable bill, could provide you with the most essential supplies to get you through at least a week with no assistance from the outside world.

            -15 Cans of High Protein Soup/Stew: $15
            -5 pounds of beans: $7.50
            -5 pounds of rice: $7.50
            -5 pounds of flour: $5
            -7 Meals Ready to Eat or Freeze Dried Packs: $50
            -Emergency Solid Fuel Stove: $15
            -Basic Camping Water filter: $50

            Anyone – Even someone receiving nutritional food assistance aid, can swing what’s on that list.

            Again, not to sound cold hearted here, but there is NO EXCUSE for being forced into a position where you’re holding your child in your arms and digging through a trashcan for food 72 hours after a transient storm.

            Here are some resources:

            Prepping on the Cheap: The $5 a Week Shopping Challenge

            You Can Prep for $5

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 141 Thumb down 0

            • Be informed says:

              @ Mac. Well said, I mean really well said. These have been very good articles to read. I have seen homeless people put away what they need. I have seen very poor people use coupons to put away canned goods and other needs. It can be done with time and using someone’s body to put into motion preparing for tommorow’s disasters. The simple fact is the lack of desire to do so. I have said this over and over again to many different individuals that I know, “people do what they want to do”. It takes sacrifice of time more than anything, and people are usally just too lazy mentally and physically to prep.

              Sad, so sad when this just a couple of generations ago was a commonplace of preparing and teaching children the fable about the ant and grasshopper. Society has certainly decayed like a rotting tooth hasn’t it?

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 68 Thumb down 3

              • DRD5508 says:

                BI, I agree that most are too lazy. As for what Mac states, it is a shame they can’t even prep marginally. But, you know that cities (especially big ones) are a breeding ground for laziness.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 2

              • slingshot says:

                About homeless people.
                I watch a homeless person for sometime as he went about doing small jobs for the stores in the area. He looked rough. Still he would go into the Dollar store to buy his food. Nothing special. Then one thing I did notice after awhile is that on Sunday he had clean clothes on, ( White Shirt no less), and carried a Bible. Got on the bus and I assume he was going to church.
                He lived under a bridge.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 62 Thumb down 2

              • veggimama says:

                those who were already homeless are now better off than the newly made middle upperclass homeless. at least they are armed to the teeth with knowledge on how to survive on the streets. they were teaching the occupy movement this time last year how to stay warm with minimal effort on the streets.

                sad indeed- be informed- about one generation’s all it took, and the average person can’t home cook a meal, let alone hunt and clean one, grow dry can or otherwise preserve, mend or repair that which needs it. all stuff my grandparents knew, that my parents forgot (damned 70′s?!) and i have had to relearn on my own. mine is a generation if highly educated dumbf#$*s who’d throw away the bone on their steak, not knowing they could cook it down for soup tomorrow. but they sure are full of useless info, and a lot of hot air, and a vain demanding selfishness that cries where’s the government? i’m starving i haven’t eaten in a day, while rescue workers try to save lives from under rubble, find missing persons, all they’re thinking about is themselves. i’s not just nyrs, it’s a large majority of the most recent 2 generations of adults in this country

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 1

              • Gwyn says:

                We have no idea how many who did Prep lost it to fire or water. Let have some good thoughts for all and hope that next time more are Prepping in the months ahead.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 0

            • Kem says:

              Don’t buy anything you’ll have to cook or use limited water resources for. Rice, beans, flour will be useless unless you want to eat them uncooked. Also when you cook it smells and brings hungry people to you. Canned foods is the way to go, no cooking required and you can get protein from tuna, chicken, beans as well as veggies and fruits.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 55 Thumb down 6

              • Katy says:

                You make a good point about water being limited, but I don’t think this means you *shouldn’t* put away rice, dry beans, flour, etc. These things store for a *really* long time, whereas canned goods only store for a few years before losing nutrients. I think a reasonable balance is the way to go — long-term preps and short-term preps.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 41 Thumb down 0

              • jayjay says:

                Kem…Beanie Weenies, spam, sardines, 1 lb. hams, and vienna sausage??
                Umm-UMM good!!

                Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 6

            • Zoltanne says:

              I sure agree with Mac. Not one single person in any of the above photos looks to be so poor that they could not afford a few staples in their kitchen cupboards. I would go so far as to wager that many of these people have nice cell phones, name-brand clothing, manicures, plus more. It’s all a matter of choices and priorities. And we all know what they chose.

              Also, let’s not forget that these people were all given the order to evacuate. They live just above sea level in a coastal flood zone where there are limited means of transportation. And they’re over-crowded. They are on the streets scrounging or waiting-in-lines for stuff because they’ve been living in the moment and chose not to plan for the ‘what if’ scenarios.

              You gotta be tough when you’re dumb….

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 57 Thumb down 2

              • The Old Coach says:

                “You gotta be tough when you’re dumb”. LOL ! ! ! !

                People outside the area cannot imagine what New York City has become. In one epigram, “It has evolved to cater to the rich, the stupid, and the lazy.” Resourcefulness to New Yorkers is knowing where to get the free shit. Producing your own is for retards, as far as they’re concerned. Just ask them. Been there, seen that, burned the T-shirt in disgust.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 36 Thumb down 0

              • Zoltanne says:

                Old Coach, my hubby uses that phrase all the time when his crew needs to be snapped-in-line. Oh the stories he tells….LOL Hey, wait! They’re like stories we’re reading about now! LOL

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 2

              • Harold says:

                Where I work, the temps (lowest paid personnel in the place) have the nicest phones, usually smart phones with unlimited data.

                JC said: Have to get tough or die…

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

            • Gregory8 says:

              Mac Salvo: You and the others are correct; it doesn’t take a small fortune to prep like Anonymous believes. But then again, Anonymous won’t know that because he still lives in mom’s basement and is marginally employed where he’s required to wear a name tag and a hairnet/cover. His mom buys the food and complains about the cost while he blows his little check on XBox and other games. Is it any wonder he thinks food preps cost a fortune?

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 5

            • …and this is EXACTLY how I started in the late 90s. Simply told the wife that she should spend and extrat $5 on canned goods or dry goods and we’d put it back. For years I had a shelf in the basement, just one, with a weeks supply. Then, in about 2004, my wife said, “You know, this is pretty handy. Can we expand it?” Here reasoning: It sure is nice to have a grocery store in the basement. I told her we could and then I had 4 shelves.

              Then, something hit me in about 2008 our economic system collapsed and I ran into this site and some enterprising promoter of ideas gifted me a book by James Wesley Rawles entitled “How To Survive The End Of The World As We Know It”. Then, for non-perishables, we started “doubling up”. I bottled a hundred pounds of corn and a hundred pounds of rice and a hundred pounds of wheat. At any time there is a grocery store in my basement. The only thing the wife asks me to pick up on the way home from work, occasionally, is a gallon of milk.

              Now I’m setting pretty with 2′x6′, 5 shelf units packed with canned and dry goods, some MREs, a few blocks of salt, etc. My original 4 shelves hold paper goods and toiletries.

              I don’t think we ever even noticed the increase in costs. I don’t know how long the 4 of us could eat, but, 3 days wouldn’t even be a blip on the radar. A month would be almost unnoticeable.

              As I think back, though, I’ve always had “survivalism” in mind when designing and building everything. Its just good common sense to buy and build things that don’t require either outside help of a lot of imported resources.

              This is the opposite of what the world promotes. Show it off! Flaunt it! Buy that huge house with all electric heat. Get that monster SUV that you can’t fix. Show the neighbors how much money you can waste!

              …no, really, thats what the world wants because it wants your money, your labor for their profit.

              I’ve always been into efficiency and affordability and I’ve always been efficient when it comes to keeping my money.

              There are a lot of ways to prep beyond guns and food but thats where most people think it starts. It really starts in your mind. I never really thought about it as “prepping” until about 2004. It was just “common sense” and “convenience” until the high likely hood of collapse started entering the picture in 2008.

              Most people are so completely involved with their careers and families that they never even think about this stuff. We, here, are in a different universe. I know lite preppers and I know preppers that make me look like a liteweight. The fact is, you should have something, otherwise you’re not even as smart as a squirrel.

              I say good on you to anyone that buys an few extra jars of peanut butter and a water filter. Anything you do, use it to make your access to food and water more durable.

              Good luck everyone and Godspeed.

              …thanks to all my friends on here that have helped me out. You know who you are.

              Keep building and rotating. I believe the day is coming where you will be glad you have all that stuff and have kept it in rotation.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 97 Thumb down 0

              • DRD5508 says:

                Net, beautifully written. I never thought of it as prepping either. I learned from my dad who went through the G Depression. He never had to explain setting aside for an emergency. Veggie garden, fruit trees, side of beef, canning, etc…this was normal living. Then you live in a city for some time and find male and females that can’t cook, wash cloths, iron, sow or even change their own oil/tires/batteries. What a boring and enslaved life to be so dependant on others.
                My children (40 and 30 yrs old) amaze their age groups by all they can accomplish on their own. I made sure they knew how to cook and hygiene first.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 33 Thumb down 0

            • Outstanding Mac. Bravo.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

            • Anonymous says:

              Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

              Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 3 Thumb down 30

              • ChazzD says:

                Anon @11:40am. Are you joking or something? If not you are a poster child for ignorance!!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

              • veggimama says:

                in the case of this storm, the flooding would’ve greatly diminished many folks food stocks if they had them… point is, you got the nj gvt saying no workers if not union, you had that sort of thing in katrina, volunteers turned away, food, supplies turned away; and i’m sure the same is happening now. now you got nat gaurd overseeing elections, instead of helping rebuild save lives. also hotels are charging insane prices for displaced people- at least in katrina, govt required hotels to put “refugees” up free of cost.

                we will try to send extras from our farm in donations in our next shipment to Brooklyn, but i wonder if they’ll just put it on the shelf and charge an exhorborant price, as is the NY way. that being said, if you live in NYS and think this hasn’t affected you in any way, just wait till your taxes and insurance skyrockets AGAIN. gotta pay for the billions in damages somehow. looting is a reasonable response to this sort of outright neglect. wall street’s ticker still ticking while the coney island rollercoaster floats into the atlantic, along with western civiliztion’s novelty made in china lady libeties & dreams of unsustainable living at sea level overcrowded in constant demand of more more more….

                also realize that the ports that got hit in NYC are the ports that much of the NATION’S supplies come in from. if they aren’t functioning, neither is the economy, trade, production. NYC never sleeps for a reason, for if it did, much of the nation would have to rest as well. another grim truth we’ll see unfold in the next couple months as restoring a sense of “normalcy” gets underway.

                more destruction than 9/11… war on nature now? oh wait the elite have been waging that one since time immorial

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2

              • Anonymous says:

                It was joke kids! Again I was being sarcastic. I was playing the part of someone who lives in the city. They need extra resturants! Really people.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

            • Carl Rooker says:

              What most have been saying about preping is all well and good, but not the end of the story.

              Look at the long lines at gas stations where people are trying to find gasoline for their generators. They did prepare, but are either out of gasoline, or have lost it in the storm. It might have been a good idea to buy more gasoline before the storm, but how many 5 gallon gas cans can one store? Even those whose gasoline did not just float away in the storm, or get burned up in the many fires (and contributing to the flames), or whose gasoline was not stolen by desparate neighbors, will eventually run out anyway.

              It is all well and good to store extra food under the bed as well. In Queens it would have been destroyed by the many fires. In other places where the dwelling was destroyed by flood and wind, the food was probably destroyed as well. Even if it was not, but you were driven from the area by flood waters, is this food still available for your use?

              The point is, that not only does one need to prep, they need to store these preparations in a secure way so that they have them when they need them. They also need to store them in such a way that, if they are driven away for some reason, these preps can be easily transported, and still be of use.

              Also, a preper needs to understrand that they must NOT use up their supplies in a hurry. If you only have 20 gallons of gasoline, do not run the generator continously. Run it for only short periods of time to maximise your supply. Same goes for food. Conserve your supplies whenever possible. Go a little hungry now, instead of starving later. Find other sources to augment what you have stored.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 1

              • jayjay says:

                Well, in my shed there are (5) 5 gallon gas cans, full with stabil.
                Today, I searched several stores for more gas cans; couldn’t even find but one store with 5 gallon, and they have increased a lot–$16. I’ll keep looking cause I want 5 more.
                Should have bought all TSC had @ $10 when they had them. :-(

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 1

              • jayjay says:

                One more note–in Ky, if I am warned a flood is coming, my food is going upstairs in the attic till I can get back and retrieve it.
                How, you say?? Because, this little girl bought 4 X 4 plywood for $1 a piece(they were not cut straight), nailed it to the floor joists, and made a 14 X 12 ft attic floor!!:-)
                It is a huge storage area.
                Stack ‘em deep!!! :-) I am a prepper–I will not go hungry if I can help it.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 0

              • SD Mule says:

                Good job, Carl!!

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

              • Harold says:

                In every case, they had to fight long and hard to evict the “Katrina refugees”. The hotels all got trashed and paying customers found other places to stay because the refugees acted like animals.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

              • Harold says:

                jayjay, check EBay for the gas can vents. I got 25 for $28. End the CARB madness. HF sells a cheap fluid transfer pump for when you can’t, or don’t want to, pour.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

            • Anonymous says:

              Good list, Mac.

              You might consider:

              1st: 4 sticks of jerky per day (total 28 sticks for a week for one person). Make your own from ground lean. Press the sticks into 1 1/2″ x 1/8″ x 5″. Dehydrate at about 125 degrees F for about 15 hours.

              2nd: 2# peanut butter.

              3rd: 2# crackers.

              Sort of like Bob Wills’ song, “Big Balls in Town, … sleeping on the ground, eating saltine crackers, 10 cents a pound.”

              The above list of good food costs about $30.00. Add to it if you want.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

              • Bob Wills Fan says:

                Anon, you know what you’re doing. That is, indeed, good food – jerky, peanut butter and crackers. Get you over the hill, that’s for sure.

                It’s not hard to make frying pan bread, so you might throw in a couple pounds of flour, some baking powder, salt and a pound can of lard of some kind.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

            • Stepabove says:

              Can i get an AMEN brother !

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

            • Bobby says:

              MS

              What’s your suggestion for me, as a college student? I’ve already made my first step — getting some emergency food, but I am moving out at May 2014. Doesn’t it make my preparation more difficult? How can I transport all my supplies elsewhere?

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 2

          • Be informed says:

            @ Anonymous. I have proven many times that using coupons you can get a lot of free food. That word I use is FREE. I do “think” a lot, and the truly poor have stashed away food because they use effort to do so. Many people have more than enough money to stocked up, but they don’t think it is necessary, they rather purchase idiotic toys and pure junk. They rather spend $100 or more on asinine entertainment than put $100 worth of food supplies into their pantries just in case. I have picked up candles for a nickle each at garage sales.

            You know the one excuse that people use so often is that they can’t afford it. In some cases this is true. Try this though with these ass monkeys that refuse to prepare for tommorow. Give them a choice between a “toy” and a box of supplies and see how many of these morons choose the “toy” or gadget. Even with the box of supplies having much more worth than the “toy”, these retards will most of the time choose the junk. Yeah, I think a lot, I think most people are pure talk and rather be day and night walkers at walmart than spend a little effort trying to secure their family’s safety.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 52 Thumb down 1

            • veggimama says:

              being “poor” most of my life is what has always made me sure to have some extra food in the pantry (food banks are great sources of canned and dry goods to stock up on for FREE.) i smoke, and drink, but i also grow my own tobacco, and brew my own beer/ cider, as well as stock up with my lovely govt issued SNAP i break down and apply for every winter when farm income drops. not to mention all the produce i preserve throughout the growing season(sad when those who feed the nation are generally the poorest, but that is as it always has been.) i am a happily dirt poor farmer and can tell you no one is too poor to have some amenities stocked up in an emergency.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

              • Mechanic43 says:

                @veggimama…”food banks are great sources of canned and dry goods to stock up on for FREE.” I run a food pantry and your just the person that takes resources from the folks who we want to reach. Our food is donated by people with the idea of it going to folks with nothing, not to help others deepen their larder.

                God bless

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

          • Geezer says:

            I’m willing to bet serious money that most of those who “can’t afford emergency food” smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, have cell phones, and have cable TV. These items are luxuries, but most people view them as necessities. Now you think it’s somebody else’s responsibility to feed these grasshoppers because they have no food.

            $500?? $50 will buy 40 lbs of rice, 10 lbs of dried beans, 10 cans of stewed tomatoes, and a 3 lb sack of onions — which will feed 4 people for a week or better. These things can be bought a little at a time, in place of that 12 pack.

            YOU think.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 49 Thumb down 1

            • laura m. says:

              Geezer: I have seen homeless people on video with cigarettes being interviewed about losing their jobs, living in cars or tents. Can’t feel sorry for them as they are wasting money smoking. I wouldn’t hire anyone who smelled like stale tobacco. Many on welfare programs buy beer, junk foods, tobacco and other crap we have to pay taxes for. NYC and other large cities are hell holes anyway, people living on/near beaches whose houses were trashed by floods knew the risks like the ones in Fla., Miss, etc. too close to the coast..are stuck in stupid.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 6

            • Southern Gal says:

              Geezer:

              Don’t forget the hot sauce (Texas Pete, Tabasco, etc). Sometimes those rice and beans need a little zip!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 1

          • aaron says:

            i stock rice and noodles and im unemployed at the moment, its not very expensive to get a couple months worth of the stuff. it seems also that these very same people have the money for new shoes and video games but scoff at you when you tell them you are a “prepper” and that they should do the same.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 49 Thumb down 0

            • Kem says:

              If you have no source of clean water, electricity or heat your rice and noodles won’t do you much good in an emergency. Canned foods require no cooking and are fairly cheap.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 9

              • The Old Coach says:

                Amen to that. When I was an (almost literally) starving student on the ’60s, I very often ate Campbells soups right from the can. Beef vegetable was one favorite. Or chicken noodle. I called it my “combat rations”. Still do it when I’m in a rush.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

              • Sixpack says:

                I once held a tin can over a propane torch,with a pair of pliers, long enough to heat water for my ramen noodles. I ate them with 2 screwdrivers, used like chopsticks.

                If you are hungry and half even half a brain cell, you’ll figure something out. You really don’t have to heat noodles, you can SOAK them in cool water until they are soft enough to eat. Ramen noodles are pretty tasty when you eat them out of the package, they taste similar to a kind of corn chip type food. You CAN even sprinkle the flavoring on it or not.

                ONLY STUPID PEOPLE CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO FEED THEMSELVES WITH FOOD IN HAND.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 44 Thumb down 0

              • DieselDan says:

                Kem if you have no clean water and no way to cook your doing it wrong

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

              • jayjay says:

                Well, along with that rice and noodles, buy a Coleman camper cooker, fuel for that cooker, and a Berkey.
                How about storing (free)water from the faucet with those (free) empty juice jugs???
                Or a little $4 pool shock to purify that water!!!
                It took me a while to acquire these!!
                As the comedian ??? what’s his name says—-
                Save Up!!!!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

              • jayjay says:

                Oh, wait—10 cotton balls soaked in alcohol will burn for 16 minutes and no smoke.
                I know; I did it!!!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

              • Anonymous says:

                Kem no offense boy but you are missin it.people on here have been prepping for DECADES. we understand canned goods and dry goods and gardens. YOU miss the point son. it’s a Total program. where canned goods are good for a few days to months; think YEARS. YOU CAN’T do this alone. we all need help. be discrete but find some partner families and grow and GROW!

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

          • Saq says:

            It doesn’t cost $500.00 to buy a couple loaves of bread, peanut butter & jelly, baked beans, mac and cheese. A full tank of gas and some water. Sorry, no sympathy.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 45 Thumb down 0

          • VRF says:

            some people never grasp the concept of saving for a rainy day, or the concept of saving a little as you go toward emergency supplies..normalacy bias..or just dont have the mind set to look at the possibilities..

            but , just because you dont see its possibilities, doesnt mean they dont exist, hard lessons

            lessons I bet , more then half of these people dealing with this right now , are not even learning, once they make it thru this, they will go right back to their old ways

            Im so sure of it, I’ll bet money on it..or maybe i should say gold

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 0

            • Carolina Girl says:

              VRF says, “lessons I bet, more than half of these people dealing with this right now, are not even learning, once they make it thru this, they will go right back to their old ways…Im so sure of it, I’ll bet money on it…”

              You are so right that I wouldn’t even put up a can of beanie weinies on some of these people learning anything from this. I do hope that many others will though, and for everyone who learns to prepare next time, it’s a step in the right direction. I thought about something when I looked at these pictures of the hordes of people being herded around and that is that with the huge populations in these urban areas there are an awful lot of folks not out there. Hopefully, the ones hunkering down in their homes, eating canned goods, wrapped up to keep warm will stay safe and well. The ones we don’t see in the lines are probably the ones who will learn from these lessons! God bless and keep them!

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

          • Anon, that is a crock of manure. These folks are walking around wearing $200 Nike sneakers, with iPads, iPhones, the latest and greatest “BLING” money can buy. They have “Obama phones” and SNAP cards to buy liquor and cigarettes.

            Don’t stand there and tell me they can’t buy a Berkey water filter, or a few cartons of MRE’s, or an oil lamp with lamp oil, or a StoveTec “rocket” stove to prepare a meal with.

            This is where the rubber of personal responsibility meets the road. There will be winners and losers when the SHTF, and they made their decision by doing nothing at all to prepare! They placed their blind faith in the government coming to their rescue and are paying a dreadful & terrible price for that misplaced trust now. It is no more complicated than that.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 1

            • John W. says:

              They knew a big storm was coming but did not have enough sense to fill their cars gas tank and get some extra food. A fourteen gallon Rubbermaid container with canned goods and some other basics would sure take the edge off hunger for a few days. Stoopid is as stoopid does.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

          • Daisy says:

            Anon ~

            Even by spending his or her regular grocery budget upon hearing that a storm like this was coming, a person could have prepared for this by getting:

            a few of boxes of crackers
            a bug jar of peanut butter
            cans of baked beans (really not that bad at room temp)
            some kind of “treat” like a bag of cookies
            a 3 lb bag of apples and a 3 lb bag of oranges
            some cans of tuna
            pudding cups
            as many big jugs of water as you could afford

            Not a fantastic diet but it sure would get you through a week a lot better than those people standing in line and reasonably healthfully too. None of that needs to be cooked or heated and I believe the food portion could be done for well under $50, with the remainder of the budget going for water.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 31 Thumb down 1

          • Anonymous says:

            Hey Anonymous. Please look up the word “dolt”.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

          • KY Mom says:

            I know a young family that is currently on food stamps. The husband has been ill and unable to work. They have 2 young children. Yet, the wife shops wisely and has saved up several months food and other supplies. They also have a garden and have eaten and put up food from that.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 30 Thumb down 1

          • Anonymous says:

            I did not post this

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 1

          • jayjay says:

            Wait a minute–those same people you say don’t have 500 bucks to prepare do have cable @ $70 a month or more; in 6 months with no cable and cell phone, they’d have money to store food…I am not buying that line of crap.
            I don’t have cell phone or cable tv.
            Give it a break.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

        • tuesdayissoylentgreenday says:

          Never happen to me attitude….. Then, someone call a WAAAAAAAMMMMMMMBULANCE… I do not have anything… Where is Schummer and Obama with a spare tit for them?

          Keep voteing Liberal Democrat and depend on them…. Now you know you are just a useful idiot to them

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 5

      • Ditto.

        I live in an area where floods can cut me off, where massive storms (many of which make Sandy look tiny) can take out power, and where things can go FUBAR in a hurry, nature-wise.

        ‘course, out here folks don’t roll their eyes – these days, they compare notes on which gear works best, who has the best firearms, and who got what sized deer last week. :)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 43 Thumb down 2

        • Refreshing says:

          What
          Can
          We
          Do
          ?

          What can we do to get the rest of America to be more like the folks around your town Odd Questioner? These people in the article are idiots, how can a person have enough money for booze or cable TV yet not enough for even five days worth of food? I can understand not prepping three years of food for an EMP or economic collapse but NATURAL DISASTERS WILL FOR SURE 100% HAPPEN! I couldn’t fail as miserably as these sheeple even if I tried!

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0

          • Kem says:

            Do you always have several hundred dollars of cash on hand? You should because ATM’s won’t work and banks will be closed. Most grocery stores will have bare shelves and price gouging happens. Do you have 5 days worth of food in your cupboards that don’t require clean water to cook, refrigeration or heat? Worry about making sure your stocked with canned foods. Dry rice, beans, pasta won’t cut it in an emergency, plus do you want hungry people smelling the food you cook? It’s easy to call names when your not in their shoes so prepare now, sock the food, water away in a safe place you can get to fast.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2

            • jayjay says:

              One more time—10 cotton balls soaked in alcohol burn for 16 minutes cleanly.
              Can’t afford $1 bags of cotton balls and $1 alcohol jars??
              Dollar Store.
              If not, give it up and crawl somewhere and die–we’ll look after your children. :-(

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 1

              • Harold says:

                Or walk your big butt to a place where it’s less expensive to live. Never understood the concept of being homeless in NYC. Long, cold winters. Just hope you can beg hard enough, i guess.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

              • snake eater says:

                you folks ever heard of a rocket stove??/i have build about 50 of them so far,,look it up made from veggie cans and or stove pipe i have both,,

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

          • First option? You can, if you live in the area, share some necessities with the neighbors you do trust, but only say you stored enough for a couple weeks at most. Then you start trying to persuade them to stock up as well.

            On my part, I took the second option: I did some research and found a home where most folks consider prepping to be a natural thing to do. Given the occasional hiccup in climate out here, I know very well why that is, but I’m still glad to see it.

            The reason I went with option #2 is simple: my immediate neighbors in PDX metro were mostly folks who were renting for a few months, then moving on. Few knew each other. Fewer still wanted to. When most (not all, but most) of the outgoing ones found out you weren’t as “progressive” as they in your ideology (“you own guns and go hunting!? You Barbarian!”), they ‘punish’ you by excluding you from contact with their social circles. Long story short, the last place I wanted to be when feces met air-handler? Somewhere surrounded by a mass of folks looking for someone to lead them, and a bunch of starving self-important prima-donnas who think that ‘wealth redistribution’ is the solution for everything. So yes, my situation is a bit different, no? :)

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 21 Thumb down 1

          • veggimama says:

            have you ever been to the jersey shore, or nyc… people there are all consumed by material toys, tv etc. had some goats go missing and some downstate yuppies here for the great fishing thought they were deer…i thought, who spends their $ on fishing trips these days? the sort of people who fish for sport not food. couldn’t process a fish to save their life. the sort of people in their t shirts and $300 shoes with their useless dead iphone bagging for handouts who used to scorn the poor who do so reguarly (and probably will continue to do so after this passes over and their insurance check comes in.

            we have some folks from nyc and jersey come every summer for a party at our farm, they freak about hot showers, bugs, dirt, cold, hot, bugs, dirt hot showers…can’t wait to go to this resturant when i get home or that theatre performance…. oblivious. i often wonder why they come at all as they seem to be miserable in nature. they have their good qualities too, but this is the sort of people suffering here, not hardened floridians used to hurricanes, or midwesterners used to flooding and tornadoes.
            nyc and nj is kind of a differnt world than much of the country-if you’d ever spent much time there you’d likely know this

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

            • 10mm says:

              Agree Veggimama.Except locals in South Jersey,where the Garden State derives it’s name.Farms,pine lands,decent local folks.But it’s being infiltrated by outsiders as investment properties/vacation homes foe the NYC $$$ folks.South Jersey traditinaly is the go to vacation for blue collar Philly folks.It’s changing because central jersey is bought up.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

              • John W. says:

                The area near Tabernacle is real nice. There is one roadside eatery there that has a farm in the back and in the growing season most all veggies come from there. Olgas Diner and the Blue Diamond diner are great. Gaetanos over on Rt.38 has the best Philly cheese steaks. Hope all these places are still there.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • durango kidd says:

        I think it’s all about the chocolate Daisy. Just saying …. :-)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 3

        • Speaking of chocolate, does anyone know how long properly stored chocolate and candy lasts? It’s the day after Halloween, and the candy is on a hella wicked sale right about now.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

          • durango kidd says:

            OQ: Its all about the temperature. In “Daisyland” you just but it in a bear bucket, hang it from a tree limb, and keep it out of the reach of Yogi and Boo Boo.

            Another couple of weeks and it won’t thaw until Spring! :-)

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 1

          • John W. says:

            If you freeze it it should be good for a year or more, if in a non self defrosting freezer. Weevils are one of the biggest reasons why chocolate gets thrown away. Freezing also kills them.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

            • Geezer says:

              Speaking of weevils … most dry items that people are prepping – like rice, beans, barley – have weevil eggs in them. If you freeze the stuff for 3 days before you put it into storage, you’ll kill the eggs.

              I buy my everyday bread items from a bakery thrift store, and store them in my freezer. It seems that my bread sitting out (previously frozen) never gets moldy anymore …

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1

              • snake eater says:

                i freeze mine also add bay leaves to my containers,,eating some things i put away in 1999 still good,,ate some c rations that was put up in the 30 and 40s,,damn fine fine eating when you are hungry,,of course a little hot sauce helps,,,had a meal of salted fish last week,,put up in 2004,,,

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0

          • Gravlore says:

            OQ I am still going through chocolate liquers from last Christmas and they taste fine and have not given me a belly ache at all. The oldest I ever ate was 2 years old.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

          • Katy says:

            Chocolate stores poorly in general, as it turns a chalky white after about 6-9 months. It still tastes OK, but not as good. Chocolate is one of those things I would rotate regularly. :) Buy some now and then buy more after Valentine’s Day and eat the Halloween stuff. :)

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

          • @ Odd Questioner…I live near a chocolate factory, and purchased a bunch in clear plastic bags…cheap! The gal on the checkout said keeps well for 1 year(kept in a dark place but not in the freezer) I tested a couple weeks ago, as it is nearly a year since I bought…and it is ok, but not real fresh tasting?? I think hard candies would last much longer..take care CC

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

          • Joe (another) says:

            M&Ms dark chocolate lasts the longest – about 2 years. Next is the other M&Ms – maybe a year and a half. Normal chocolate bars will last less than 6 months.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

          • Daisy says:

            OQ ~

            My stash of chocolate is substantial. (Just thinking about it makes me want to write poetry!)

            I have some 5 pound blocks of dark chocolate. I left them in the manufacturer’s packaging, wrapped that in foil, then put that in ziplock freezer bags with the air removed, then put that in a big food safe bin that closes tightly.

            I also have things like chocolate chips and my daughter’s Halloween candy that I put in the freezer in the original packaging, then inside freezer bags with the air removed.

            I’m not sure the statement it makes that my freezer contains only some whole chickens that I just bought on sale and haven’t had time to prep and can yet, a couple of turkeys, 20 pounds of coffee and about 30 pounds of chocolate. :)

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 1

          • Paranoid says:

            I cannot tell a lie; 20 years ago I moved my moms sofa and found 2 MM’s, plain, under it. They had to be 15 plus years old H candy. The’re gone, and I’m still alive

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0

            • durango kidd says:

              So much for the “five second” rule.

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

            • durango kidd says:

              “My stash of chocolate is substantial”. Substantial? Substantial?

              Daisy your stash of chocolate has the Easter Bunny so green with evyy that he was mistaken for the Grwinch who stole Christmas!

              GMAB! :-)

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

            • ecws says:

              OK Paranoid , I’ve been a shadow lurker on this site for years and I finally have to make a comment. When I was in my early 20′s a roommate and I bought a 40 $ couch from the Salvation Army. When home with the couch I suggested we search the couch liner for gold or goodies. We found some pennies and dimes and a ……smartie. I looked at him and he said “no you won’t” I did , 15 years later I’m still typing. To this day when someone drops food on the ground I say “5 minute rule”. It turns some heads.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

          • ScoutMotto says:

            I would go for candies that have long shelf life, such as lifesavers and root beer barrels. It’s not chocolate, but it won’t go bad in my lifetime.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

            • Daisy says:

              Key phrase, Scout.

              “It’s not chocolate.”

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

            • Merree says:

              Just make sure to store the candy in pakaging to keep the bugs out. I had a bag of root beer barrels in the original package and left it out on the table in a spare room. The ants found it. Amazing how they were able to get in the “sealed” bag and eat the candy but they did! By the time I discovered what was going on about half the candy was gone.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

      • morepheus says:

        Right on Daisy.

        And I might add, the people in the picture should blame Bush, it’s worked for Obummer for 4 years.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 23 Thumb down 4

      • Gravlore says:

        I highly doubt any of them come to this site Daisy, which is unfortunate.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

      • Anonymous says:

        Even in Canada?

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 4

      • Rodster says:

        Amen Daisy, if I didn’t know any better you would think you were looking at pictures of Greece during their collapse. I live in an apt and have at least 6 months of non perishable foods. If I got desperate for water I have bio filters which are good to treat raw water.

        God I hope I never have to try out those water filters. :lol:

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0

      • Prepping Preacher says:

        it’s precisely why all those of us here do what we do… i need several more gasoline containers – i can see that now and we were unaffected by the storm…

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

      • ZX6R says:

        I don’t understand you don’t even need to be a prepped to survive 2 days without help

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

        • Stepabove says:

          You do – even if you’re waiting for your hand out. No one in that mind set thinks. Forget about “Sandy Big Bad Hurricane,” what if the mail is a day late. or the government put a decimal in the wrong spot and the hand out just doesn’t show up on time.

          They’ld be just as screwed.

          Just cause you get assistance does not let you off the hook for your own safety

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

      • PDXer says:

        I prepare for volcano’s, earthquakes and ice storms. Those are the worst case natural disasters I have to deal with. On the plus side, I am also prepared for dollar collapse, social collapse, zombie pockyclipse (Mad Max phrase), etc…

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

      • Lt Tragg says:

        Just look at yourself,….. You do know you cant take Romen noodles to your grave woman !

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

      • Stan522 says:

        Daisy, it is now confirmed, there are at least 4 very, very stupid people who came to this site and read your post…..

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 3

      • All these urbanites keep little to nothing in their homes. I have friends in the city that eat out every night and I can’t believe what I hear when they come over and make silly comments about a full pantry. Yeah, they don’t get to see the private areas of my supplies.

        Sorry, you reap what you sow. The article nails it in saying, “They have nobody to blame but themselves”. So true. I wish these people the best of luck, but in my life, luck ain’t got shit to do with it.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 2

        • Stepabove says:

          They are lucky they don’t live whereyou have tornados or earthquakes. They had days to get ready not minutes or seconds BUT DAYS !!!

          Are you kidding, Hell even the Looters had a plan.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

      • Seeker Of Truth says:

        Who’s the crazy one now (insert mad scientist laugh here)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

      • Vicky says:

        It’s nice to have validation. I feel like you do, and have had some of your same experiences. My son-in-law, bless his heart, has come around as has my oldest son. The girls, not so much. We have two adult children (oxymoron, I know), two teens and two under ten years old, and trying to stock up for all of them is difficult. The teens are doing pretty well (Mom has a temper) and while they won’t discuss it with their friends because they don’t think it’s “cool”, they are some help and are learning. The younger kids are enjoying it, and it’s hard to keep them from telling everyone about it. The 4th grade is doing the “Little House on the Prairie” series and my daughter kept popping up and saying “My mom does that!”, or “We do that”, to the point her teacher called me in and asked if we were “preppers” in the same fashion you ask “Are you a child molester?” I told her “No, but we try to have a couple of days worth of food in case of winter storms.” She seemed satisfied with that, but I’m trying hard to instill op-sec in an eight and ten year old. Home school next year. I still don’t understand the hostility or negativity associated with this movement. We don’t live in a large town and I’d think they would have more sense. I’d never be dumb enough to live on the beach or next to a river, but if a storm came through but left the house intact, we’d be fine for a month with everyone here, and probably six months with just my husband and myself.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0

        • veggimama says:

          movement, vicky? 2 generations ago it was the norm, handed down through generations, recipes, thrifty tips etc. i get the same reaction from friends “you’ve been canning like a mad woman, don’t you have better things to do with your time?” then ” i know where i’m heading when shtf” hell no! do your own work jerks! good luck getting here in an emergency! my daughter’s interest in it lead her to start reading little house in the prarie. on the other hand the amish around here appear to have heirloom canning rims! and their stockpiles would put most of ours to shame… bet they’re on a watch list too?

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

        • JustOneGuy says:

          Hi Vicky,

          The response you get from people is, I think, a variant of ‘Oh Ye of little Faith!” In doing something which – by thier standards – is ‘un-ordinary’ you are effectively calling into question some of thier most basic assumptions as to how ‘The World’ functions…it IS uncomfortable for them to be faced with anything which calls such into question. They will – time and again – when faced with this circumstance stridently proclaim to all within earshot that you are the abberation, the ‘odd’ one. In some sense this is human nature, but in recent years it has become so prevalent it’s almost like a communicable disease…and it seems to be spreading more rapidly as time passes.
          Unspoken, always, is the underlying unstated assertion ‘YOU are doing something different than I am
          YOU ate doing things that I don’t see the need for…THAT majes you SUSPECT (in some sense…)” Again , at some level it forces them to – somewhere inside, briefly – brush up against a potential inadequacy and this is what stir’s them up against you and what you are doing. Go figure…Human Nature remains inexplicable :(

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

          • Vicky says:

            Thanks for the support. It does get tiring, and I’m irritated with being the wierd lady back in the woods. We’re originally from Oklahoma where this behavior was normal. I have more in common with women twenty to thirty years older than I am, than with my peers. I appreciate the support. Thanks!

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

      • AZClimber says:

        I have yet to see a single sandbag in any photo. Like a city of infants who were unable or unwilling to grasp the concept of preparing for what was guaranteed to happen. I find it pathetic in more ways than one.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

        • durango kidd says:

          Goldman Sachs had sand bags …. and the only lights in the city. Just goes to show you that assholes and preppers are not necessarily mutually exclusive phenomena.

          Just wanted to point that out. :-)

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

      • Annie Oakley says:

        Amen!

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • ANTI-DAISYBITCHES says:

        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

        Poorly-rated. What do You Think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 47

        • yental says:

          “New to town” I see. Daisy is as astute, intelligent, and caring as anyone you will likely ever meet. Enjoy your moronic rant, I expect you will soon be gone. What a shame! We need more ignorant morons to inspire the willfully prepared and always willing to share advice: Prepare now, or reap what you wouldn’t sow. Is it true that most TROLLS have purple hair?

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 1

          • Daisy says:

            Yental ~ Thank you.

            Anti-Daisy ~ I truly think that you have misinterpreted what I’ve posted on this topic.

            While I do feel validated in the lifestyle I’ve chosen, I certainly am not gloating over anyone else’s misfortune. I hope to learn from it and improve my own preps, and sincerely wish the best possible outcome for those affected.

            And I also hope that part of that outcome is a lesson so that one day, when the lights go out again (and they will), that people who have lived through and witnessed this tragedy will be more prepared.

            I’m sorry that you are so angry and offended. It causes me to suspect that maybe this disaster has touched you personally and if that is the case, I hope that you come through it safely. Best of luck to you in your own preparations.

            ~ D

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 2

            • Daisy

              I couldn’t be that nice to a total tossed if I tried. You are a better person than me.

              Take care

              People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 2

              • BadAmerican says:

                Burt:

                Glad to hear from you dear.

                Hope you are feeling better.

                I like that the UK is telling the EU to FO.

                NYC(after Sandy) is the true example of collapse.
                …..get out of the city…..

                Come to the Americas…Daisy has chocolate,lol.

                People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

        • JustOneGuy says:

          OH BOY,

          JUST WHEN I THOUGHT THAT WHAT HAD BEEN POSTED HERE THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS WAS FINALLY SUFFICIENT TO PUT THIS ‘THING’ TO REST…. (ALL CAPS INTENDED)
          Rest assured ADB, that though there – by thier own assinine postings here – in fact do not have the ‘Milk of Human Kindness’ flowing through thier veins DAISY AIN’T ONE. MEIN GOTT IN HIMMEL!
          WHY do you think that ‘we’ come here? Why do yo think that – time and again – we effort ourselves to point various potential situations and THE CONSEQUENCES out to those who will take heed? This ain’t exactly ‘sittin down to dinner with friends’ is it?
          First and foremost, those here live in the HOPE that if a catastrophe should occur somewhere, somehow that SOME of what’s been put forth here will help someone…perhaps be the difference between someone living and dying even. The single most important point at hand here is to recognize that YOU are tge only person on the face of the EARTH who can take responsibility for YOURSELF.
          Authority and responsibilty are the two sides of a SINGLE coin. Anyone who has authority but no resposibility is effectively a Tyrant; Withot accountability what else could such be called? Anyone who has resposibility (is accountable for) and has no authority to act is a SLAVE; Tasked by the authority of others and bearing the accountability got decisions they did not make.
          The illusion of an ‘irresponsible’ existence, a life of actions – without consequence – is being shredded before the vey eyes of America each night on the evening news. There exists no lack of compassion here for those who tonight are cold and wet and hungry on our east coast …but there is here ‘FRUSTRATION’ that all the counsel posted here – and elsewhere – day after day after day goes unheeded.
          “Behold, Look Ye Upon the Face Of Pestilence, Oh Columbia!”
          “The unexamined life is not worth living.” – Socrates

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

          • JustOneGuy says:

            In 1st Non-capped line should read

            “That though there here are those who -”

            Sorry, twas dashed off in haste and a little bit of anger,
            additionally my idiot keyboard is on it’s last legs….

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

        • Harold says:

          Giving a drunk a drink a drink is not compassion.

          I get the impression that Daisy may be a little TOO compassionate, but obviously will get up to speed quickly, and takes care of her own first (what a concept!). At any rate, she is obviously much, much less cold hearted than me.

          BTW, I don’t belong to any Daisy fanclub, but she hardly strike me as one to kick poeple when they’re down, and probably would be more trustworthy than most of my neighbors.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

        • I either assume you are a new poster or an old one who hasn’t got the guts to put her name on the post. People like you make make me sick. Go crawl back under your stone you pathetic twat.

          If only the good die young it seems you are in for a long, long life. Tell you what, I know what I’ve done with my life, and I know it’s hit and miss whether I’ll go up or down when I shuffle off my mortal coil, but you, you think you’ve got it all sorted.

          Well let me tell you you immature, pathetic low life…..you do not have it sorted. To come on here and launch an unprovoked attack for no apparent reason is disgusting. Your enom and vitriol has been noted and will possibly come back to you a hundred fold.

          Now do us all a favour and fuck off.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 2

        • snake eater says:

          Daisy is my girlfriend dont talk bad about her,,or something will crawl out of the wall and swallow you hole.If you dont like what she says dont read her post,,but if you do dont be ugly ugly!!!!!!!

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

        • Daisy says:

          This group is so supportive to anyone who is willing to learn, whether we always agree with the opinions of others or not. Because we tend to be independent thinkers we are definitely not going to be on the same page all the time.

          I appreciate you all sticking up for me. Thank you.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

          • JustOneGuy says:

            Truly, the ‘Wisdom of the Ages’ Daisy. Part of the basis of community – in any sense – is mutual self-defense. It is all that much the easier when that which one would defend is upright and straight all in all. :)

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

      • possee says:

        Amen to that Daisy!

        And after this was posted, the situations are deteriorating rapidly…

        and only to get worse …

        possee

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • Those who accused me of not having faith will probably still not get it.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • Wow, this storm is a surprise. What is more of a surprise is that people are already out of food, and dumpster diving. It is hard for me to understand that lifestyle, and not having a stock of food to get you through at least a couple of weeks. Try some of our new Express meals that can be ready in a few minuets http://www.thrive.shelfreliance.com/home
        Its far better to spend a few bucks on food that can be ready to eat in a emergency, than to think it will not happen to you. Heck this is not even winter yet can you imagine if this was in February?

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 2

      • JustMe says:

        2 weeks from now, they will all be back in normalcy-bias-distraction mode, and will have forgotten all about it…

        And most of them will still criticize you for prepping…

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

        • JustOneGuy says:

          @ JustMe,

          Oh…I think, this time, it’ll be a ‘bit’ longer than two weeks…..

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

          • JustMe says:

            I donno, the average Amerikan has the attention span of an untrained Cocker Spaniel. Thier attentions will be properly diverted, and thier fave entertainers will send them sappy tweets, and they’ll settle back into watching TV, etc. A month from now, they will scarcely remember the event…

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

          • snake eater says:

            have you been to new orleans lately still blue tarps on roofs there,,,two weeks huh???

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

      • possee says:

        Let’s be real here folks..

        Who the hell can have a wood stove or alternate heat source or a well to draw upon in all of metro NY?
        This is NY City folks the epicenter of the capitalist world.
        The bastion of hedge funds and Wall street.
        One of the premier financial centers of the world where all the central bankers meet and planned the implosion of Europe and the US..
        and where their masters..
        The New York Federal Reserve resides..

        Surely all the well heeled left in a hurry to the Hamptons and Connecticut and left the working class and poor to fend for themselves…

        This is all a stage..and where the central planners are laughing their asses off at the plight of the ebt crowds and the janitors and maids, the first responders, etc are risking their lives every day to assist these folks.

        To ridicule them as a whole is absurd..they are blinded by government and the system that has them by the balls..and now they plead for help from their elected assholes for whom they voted..and those assholes have left them for the slaughter..

        Obama and Romney alike..

        If the loyalists are treated like this in a disaster..?

        just think of what they have in store for the likes of us..!!

        keep on prepping..

        possee

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

      • ar15Bob says:

        My brother called me yesterday. working from watching fox news, there was somone on talking about being prepeared,stored food,water.supplies,fuel,also what ive preached the goverment can save you that you are responsable for your own life,his words were Ive heard this some were before,from you learn, prepare, live.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • The sad truth is that even after this disaster, people still won’t prep.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • Daisy says:

        Wow! I’m #1! I am woman…..

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

      • harley hooch says:

        IF THEY FIND OUT YOU HAVE FOOD THEY WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR IT SO SHUT UP.

        THERE WILL BE WAR IN THE STREETS FOR FOOD AND WATER AND WE ARE ONLY DAYS AWAY FROM REALLY BAD TIMES. LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW. IT HAS JUST BEGAN.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    2. EISENKREUTZ says:

      “Angry citizens demand to be fed and watered”

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA. STARVE TO DEATH YOU STUPID SLEEPING SHEEPLE. YOU MORONS. YOU TURKEYS. YOU WORTHLESS OLD MEN.

      *WHINING* “HELP US, GOVERNMENT”

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 40 Thumb down 28

      • Maybe, just maybe, they’ll notice that supplies are slower to come than they prefer, and maybe, just maybe? They’ll get the hint and take a few steps to help themselves out for the next time…

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 2

        • As Einstein said; the definition of insanity is repeating the same action expecting a different result…

          We shall see how many are truly insane, or, just so poor and brainwashed they just can’t help themselves. For them, FEMA camps are best… really.

          (I went to a FEMA trailer park after Hurricane Floyd, to visit someone… YECH, nasty smelly stinky and ignorance on display. It was a wonder the whole place wasn’t overcome by a cholera epidemic.)

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 24 Thumb down 1

          • You have to realize that most of these folks have never experienced such a thing before.

            Some will say “f$#k this!’, and move.

            Some will look at it as a one-time thing and continue on once things get better.

            Some will store a few days worth of stuff, perhaps a couple of weeks’ worth.

            And some? They will take it to heart and get serious about it.

            It’s that last bit you want to foster, but even if you can get them going on the second-to-last bit, you’ve got a better situation than before.

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

          • Rick:) says:

            That was the old “Bush FEMA”. Great news, this is the new “Obama FEMA”!

            Did everybody see the huge wad of 5k generators, all cabled together, being held in “reserve” for the NYC Marathon! (now cancelled,boo hoo). While square miles are without power.

            Any truth to the rumor; Union NYC Linemen turned away non-union out of state help? If this is true, it takes the cake!
            I was there. The ONLY place I saw utility work being done was Riis Park. Oh yeah, looked like a utility convention. Money talks, baby. Personaly saw zero line work being done anywhere else. (doesn’t mean it’s not being done, just didn’t see it)
            Sanitation Dept. doing a great job with cleanup.

            I give it about 4 or 5 days, and the situation will go critical. Everyones’ in shock. They BETTER get a handle on the gas station problem. odd/even, what a joke! Military is bringing in millions of gallons. How do they plan on distributing it? Soon, it will come down to throwing taxpayer dollars like a ticker tape parade.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

            • John W. says:

              What no one is mentioning is the damage that the salt water will do in the subways. the salt will leave a film everywhere and when salt, metal and electricity are combined the effect is severe corrosion. The flooding will cause problems for years as the salt does it’s slow dirty work.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • snake eater says:

        EIZENKREUTZ i know you mean well,,but the comment about “worthless old men”i`m sure you didnt mean it that way.Because i`m an old man

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0

        • EISENKREUTZ says:

          Friend,

          One of my grandfathers was a machinist who taught me to work on engines and the other was a farmer who made me plant first with the hoe, second with the horse, and only third with a tractor. I praised the Lord for the blessing of a tractor after my hands had bled a couple of seasons.

          My hatred of your generation is that you are responsible for destroying the American birthright with your irresponsible spending on socialist welfare programs which have gouged prices in healthcare and education via liquidity injections, as well as destroying our Frontiersman spirit, which heretofore had defined our national character. And for all this old people have the brazen audacity to presume to speak down to younger people and demand respect for our “elders”. The “greatest generation” is a filthy lie. You will be remembered as the most hated people in American history.

          Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 17

          • Stepabove says:

            wow you have thought that through.

            i don’t agree but you do get points for being sincere (LOL)

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

          • BadAmerican says:

            @eisenwhatever:

            Our generation did not piss away your birthright, we passed the baton and you dropped it. Hate yourself butterfingers.

            BA

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 4

          • Gregory8 says:

            Eisenkreutz: I knew it! I could tell that you’re one of the “Real Christians” because the love of God just pours forth with your every word. Now don’t forget to say your prayers for us “old” screw-ups who left you holding the bag. My German is very rusty (45 years), but doesn’t Eisenkreutz translate as “self-righteous”?

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

            • stepabove says:

              lets not jump to conclusions there are spome real christains out here and we don’t want to lumped in with that. (god bless)

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

              • Gregory8 says:

                Stepabove: I was being sarcastic. No offense to the real Christians out there, just the many phonies I’ve seen and herd from, like Eisenkruetz. In one post he’s praising the Lord and in other posts his racist comments have a hidden Zieg Heil behind them; talking about ‘hood rats’ and ‘creole mamas’. The Bible says a tree is know by the fruit it bears; well Eisenkruetz’s tree is rotten down to its roots. No one can be a Christian and hate folks, that’s just plain hypocracy. Peace Brother.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

            • Another Comment says:

              It means Iron Cross. As in the military insignia the Nazis wore. It has a much longer history, but that’s what most people associate it with.

              He misspelled it though. There’s no “t” before the z.

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

          • Robert says:

            The greatest generation was the generation that fought and won WW2. The generation that screwed the country are their children and grandchildren.

            But to be honest from what I’ve seen over my 43 years, the 30YO’s and down aren’t going to do better and might very well screw it up worse.

            A lot of the problems came from younger generations demanding this and that from the government and the politicians giving it so they would get re-elected.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

          • And you sir, are overcome by the MYSTERY power that takes all minds through their hearts. The New Paradigm of the young, that are so superior because they ‘see the light’? You stand on the shoulders of those who went before you, and of course you see farther, lets hope so… but;

            WE, are and were, as deceived as all the generations are, including yours. The statue takes us all down, and rises as the Phoenix from the ashes, with you as cheerleaders, only to take you down in time. For that is the only way the Head of Gold, can remain in place, is to keep you divided while paying him rent.

            See the truth;
            pipermichael dot wordpress dot com
            on page; What killed the idea of America?

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

          • John W. says:

            Which generation are you refering to? The greatest generation is mostly gone. Very few boomers had any say in anything. As is the case now the politicians said one thing and as soon as elected did another. That’s not changing.Reid has already stated thet if Rimney wins they will not work with him. Party over all, country and people can go to hell.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • uh-huh says:

        Eisenkreutz = Iron Cross

        Your hatred is astounding…I could be wrong, but it doesn’t feel like Arab or black hatred…more like German hatred.

        There has to be a story behind it. Did you lose someone close to you? Did you experience childhood abuse, either from peers or family? What fuels this hatred?

        If you want to learn about generational conflicts…read up on http://www.generationaldynamics.com — it will become clear to you. Another great informational source is any of Colin Woodard’s articles and books.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    3. johnny reb says:

      I truly feel for all the people on east coast that are suffering wake up this is just a preview of things to come and when they come if your not ready you will be on your own. use this as a learning experiance to help with your own prep your own plan stay ready stay prepared the time is close at hand

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 2

      • It’s too late for the majority to “wake up”. They’re programmed (it’s in their DNA now) to rely on the Government, on “somebody”. That’s why they’re in line and in the dumpsters!

        WE are a small minority and one better believe, when the government isn’t there to “take care of them” they’ll be coming in our direction.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 36 Thumb down 1

    4. Skyowl says:

      No one is rolling thier eyes now, that is, unless they have their eyes closed.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    5. Dan says:

      I feal bad for the peaple that were not prepared.

      We do not plan to fail, But fail to plan.

      Even Noea had to build a boat.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

      • Sixpack says:

        But Noah DID build the boat. He got up off his butt and actually did it. He probably sat looking out the window wondering if the fishing was any good…

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 4 Thumb down 1

      • Speaking of God telling people to do things – I was told that God told Daniel to save the wheat for the lean years, and God didn’t tell me directly to prep like he told Daniel, therefore I shouldn’t prep. But, scripture doesn’t say that God told Daniel to prep. God told him the interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, and he used his common sense and prepped for the lean years. Nowhere does it say “God told Daniel to save wheat.”

        So we CAN use Daniel’s example to use our common sense to get ready for things we know are coming.

        Also, scripture says whoever doesn’t provide for his own household is worse than an infidel. I was told that if I had faith, I wouldn’t need to prep because “God is our provider.” That’s true, He IS our provider, but we normally have to go out and work and then go out and purchase or harvest, in a sense providing for ourselves – even though God makes the plants grow, gives us gainful employment, makes us healthy enough to work, etc. THAT’s how He provides for us. He normally doesn’t let us be lazy and then drop food into our mouths while we sit in the yard with our mouths open like a bunch of baby birds that are incapable of doing anything. If you’re able-bodied, you’re responsible for providing for yourself and your household, now and in the future. God just doesn’t want us to WORRY about it. When He says to not think about tomorrow, because he provides for the birds and will provide for you, he doesn’t expect us to just sit there and expect God to bring food to us. I believe he also doesn’t want us to ignore clear warnings of hyperinflation.

        Another thing regarding God and prepping: I’ve been told that if we follow Yeshua, God will provide for us so we don’t need to prep. But what about those in our extended family who don’t follow Yeshua? Should we let them starve? Yes, they’re supposed to be responsible for themselves, but unless you’re evil and heartless, you will end up helping them if possible, even if you’re telling them “I told you so” the whole time. Maybe we have elderly or handicapped relatives who can’t prep.

        Just something to think about, and points to defend yourself with if needed.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

        • JustOneGuy says:

          Spot-On LT,

          “Do ALL you can do, THEN stand in Faith…”

          Not some, not most, not 17%….ALL.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

        • Robert says:

          “Should we let them starve?”

          Well that depends on several things and how you look at them. I have two kids that I will have to provide food and water for when the shtf. They come before any other family members, including myself, and I come before anyone else except my kids. If I move them in with me and give them food and water what happens to my kids if I run out of said food and water?
          It’s not letting them starve. It’s letting them have what they wanted. They wanted the instant gratification of all the worlds “toys” instead of spending that money on food and supplies. I can’t endanger my children’s lives because some undisciplined idiot, related or not, suddenly decides that they were wrong after it all goes bad. They are on their own, because I don’t have any food. >_>
          Hence the reason why preppers and survivalists should never tell anyone what they are doing….ever.

          And you do know what Yeshua is right?

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    6. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      “Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.”

      ~Thomas Jefferson – Notes on the State of Virginia

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 1

      • CocoPuff CrackHead says:

        alt mis-quote version :

        “If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.”

        ~Thomas Jefferson

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 1

        • yental says:

          As is already demonstrable by the vast majority of the Amerikan population today. Wouldn’t you love just five minutes with Jefferson’s ghost today!

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

        • ecws says:

          The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching, and will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, and the final expulsion of England from the American continent.

          Thomas Jefferson ~1812. In a letter to Colonel William Duane.

          You win some , you lose some.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    7. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      What is a Freegan?

      Freegans are people who employ alternative strategies for living based on limited participation in the conventional economy and minimal consumption of resources. Freegans embrace community, generosity, social concern, freedom, cooperation, and sharing in opposition to a society based on materialism, moral apathy, competition, conformity, and greed.

      The word freegan is compounded from “free” and “vegan”.

      http://freegan.info/

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 6

    8. Prepared Pastor says:

      How does the song go? “If they can make it there, they’ll make it anywhere.” The arrogance of city folks has come back to bite them in the assets. Glenn Beck left just in time.

      Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. – Proverbs 16:18

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 29 Thumb down 5

    9. durango kidd says:

      They should use their O’Bummer phones to call … O’Bummer. Before this is over there will be VIOLENCE and martial law as predicted by SHTF America, last January 1st.

      Unfortunately, in NYC, guns are outlawed so only outlaws will have guns.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 3

      • jayjay says:

        When Romney wins, what will they call the Ostupid phones??

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

        • JRS says:

          Maybe everyone already knows this, but for an idea who pays for the free phones and internet access, open your phone bill and look for the Universal Connectivity charge. This is another legacy of the Clinton administration from the mid ninties. I suppose we could call them Slick Willy phones.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

    10. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      DUMPSTER DIVING 101 early bird gets the worm .

      FREE SHEEIT is FREE SHEEIT ;0) DON’T BITCH .

      http://trashwiki.org/images//w/images/thumb/4/45/Recup_Toulouse_2011.jpg/800px-Recup_Toulouse_2011.jpg

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

    11. BadAmerican says:

      It is truly the “least” coast.

      Maybe a download of the latest Ifood,Iwater,or Igas app will help them get by.

      Gonna get cold tonight, I pity the fools.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 3

    12. Anonymous says:

      Tri-fuel small gen sets & 12/24/110 volt freezers filled and two weeks H20 would have gone a long ways BEFORE. Oh, and one other thing, absente ballots… Vote and vote often.

      Disclaimer: I am not against tuna or PB.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

    13. Ah Yes, blame the government… PLEASE!

      as Piper goes out, and picks up a dozen eggs from his girls…
      Breakfast anyone?

      Seriously, Daisy is right. I learned my BIG lessons in Hurricane Floyd and the flood of ’99. After two weeks of living in and being surrounded by the nastiest water you’ve ever thought of… waking up to screaming wife…(water moccasin in the kitchen…) finally down to eating homemade biscuits and mustard, then finally able to make it to town to get gas for the genny and fights breaking out over 5 gallon limits and EMPTY SHELVES…

      Oh yeah…Miss Daisy is right. Prepping is a way of life.

      NEVER AGAIN.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 45 Thumb down 1

      • Legion7 says:

        Even in the city, in an apartment, you could have a Honda 1K or 2K genny on the balcony, and some food… As far as the guns for protecting your goods… the majority voted for the guys that took the guns,and now they reap what they have sown… solution…MOVE. Fox news just had an anchorman saying…”wait until the weekend” from New York. Should be fun.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 2

      • Zoltanne says:

        Floyd was a nasty one, complete with floating caskets in flooded river areas. UGH.

        Glad you woke up.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

    14. TheGuy says:

      No, but see, if I hoard food I’m a terrorist, remember?

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

    15. asian prep says:

      just put your head down and keep prepping. nothing to see here.

      sheep are too stupid to learn. over and over they will fail to plan and will again and again be herded like the sheep they are. these same idiots will be the same idiots you see on tv lining up to buy shit they don’t need the day after thanksgiving. this will all be a distant memory…until the next time shtf…

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

      • Anonymous says:

        I like rack of lamb. Rare.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

      • Survivor in waiting says:

        I was thinking the same thing. Gee, those lines dont look half as bad as the ones that they will get into for the latest apple gadget. Even with camping gear and sleeping bags, and of course food for three days. Would’nt want to lose your place in line you know.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • Sixpack says:

        Actually, SHEEPLE give SHEEP a bad rep…

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

      • Be informed says:

        @ asian prep. Isn’t it amazing how someone can continue to suffer the same fate over and over again and not learn from it? This is like they derive pleasure from pain and agony, masochistic. You are so correct that these imbeciles could suffer through this over and over again, and yet be the same people waiting for tidbits thrown to the monkeys at the zoo the next time a disaster hits. The real problem with this is that one day there will be no help there because the diaster is just too severe. I ask these people, what then? The usual reply is that someone will eventually come to help them, they always do. WHAT?!!!!

        This is the notion of most people that live in a country that is not stressing be prepared, your government will be there for you no matter what. This no matter what is so crazy I can’t believe it. I can think of 3 events in which the U.S. government could not and would not help for a long time, they couldn’t because of the enormity of the situation. They are called the Cascadia, San Andreas, and the New Madrid. Either one or more of these faults break with the severity that they should, those in these areas better have supplies stocked up for their families and some survival knowledge or they are going to likely be numbers later calculated in books.

        There are also active volcanoes around the country that would make government help near impossible should they erput on a VEI (volcanic explosive index) of 6 or more. I have always been concerned about the Long Valley Caldera in the Sierra Nevada mountains as a sleeping giant one day to wake up. The early 1980′s swarm of four 6+ earthquakes had many also concerned. Coincidence that Mount St. Helens went off about the same time? I don’t think so.

        I was reading more about Hurricane Sandy and how IF there had been more time and about 3 degrees warmer water, a little less wind shear and Sandy could have been a lot worse. Sandy was trying to form a eyewall, and had this happened you would have seen rapid intensification. It already had hit a little over 939 MB which was a category 4 pressure. If this had happend you could have had the pressure drop to 900 MB or about 26.5 inches of pressure. This was Hurricane Katrina. The storm surge would have been near double, instead of 14 feet, 25-27 feet. The winds would have grown from 90 mph to about 130-140 mph, a little more time it would have top 150 mph. In short New York would look like it had been hit with tsunami and been bombed out by an enemy airstrike.

        Why I brought this up is because it could have been far worst, and the people now are being told it was a 300-500 year storm. So they are no longer worried, they lived through it, no big deal. Well the ocean temperature is what creates these super storms, as hurricanes are nature’s air conditioners. The ocean temperature for whatever reason is warmer now than in thousands of years and we can expect more super storms that look like they have come up of some science fiction novel. The people now will just “know” that it won’t happen again. This stupidity will once again surface with the same lines somewhere else or in the same place.

        Interesting that the same European weather service that predicted this storm Sandy within “15 miles!” of where it hit a week before, is now calling for a northeastern to hit the “same” Mid Atlantic states, New York and New Jersey by Wednesday of next week. Will people listen and try to prepare now, or be zombie like? Probably not. I will say this again, Thank God there are preppers/survivalists still left out there, the truly only people left with brains.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 22 Thumb down 1

        • Anonymous says:

          They don’t have power so no TV-internet to warn of the pending storm. LMFAO!

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

        • john ina box says:

          @ BI

          “The ocean temperature for whatever reason is warmer now than in thousands of years and we can expect more super storms that look like they have come up of some science fiction novel”

          I have read several things about the current getting warmer. For whatever reason scientists seem to be in agreement that it is getting warmer. They also seem to agree, from what I have read, that the Atlantic current is shifting in such a way that storms like Sandy shooting up the east coast will be the new normal.

          Any insight on this current shift? Or what the changing temps in the ocean can mean other than the obvious bigger stronger storm occurances?

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

          • Be informed says:

            @ john ina box. I was reading in an older book from 1992, The Weather Book, by USA Today, about the frequency of Atlantic hurricanes. Garage sales are wonderful for finding out of print books that offer a lot of information. What it says is that when there is an uptick of wet weather along the western coast of Africa, especially the Gulf of Guinea, the hurricanes increase a lot. Evidentally this is because this area is one of the birthing areas where hurricanes begin and then travel across the Atlantic. These African patterns can last for decades, both dry and wet periods that either starve out hurricane production or feed into it. I know there is a lot of information on the internet, but good books are just so much better to have and sit down in a quiet place and read.

            Anyway this book goes into detail about about hurricanes are the way heat from the equatorial areas is tranferred to the middle latitudes. They said that this is quite efficient, but still ONLY 3% of this heat is transferred. Any further efficiency and we would all be in big trouble. The problem is that when you have more heat, the oceans eventually warm up. The heat through convection must go somewhere and it will. People can debate that greenhouse gases are not responsible, but through physical law is when you add carbons to the atmosphere there has to be some sort of reaction to this. That can be rapid or gradual, but it must happen unless this carbon escapes to space, which it has not.

            The volume of greenhouse gases is 200 years worth since post industrial revolution, this is a lot as core sample in ice caps shows. Now this of course has been added gradually and therefore the reaction to this could be slow. Even if it is slow, the fact is that this will mean more severe climatic changes. Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma all had something called a stadium effect in which the thunderstorms were packed so closely together, like a crowded seats at a stadium, that those that hunt hurricanes have never seen them this close together. This hurricane itself was again and again commented over CNN, FOX, the Weather Channel that they have never seen anything like this.

            When you have trained weather people often with doctorines saying, they have never seen this, something rotten is going on within the climate. When you start seeing records broken all over the place, this means something even if the records are at the oldest 200 years old. Comparing other planets, the stability of the planet Earth is extremely calm by comparison. Countries like China that burn coal like it is the 19th century without any regard to what they doing to everything around them, are killing the planet’s ecosystem. The planet will react, NOT as some entity with a conscious and thought, but as a physical mass trying to rebalance what is wrong.

            The same goes to say with an addition of a basic to an acid, the chemical reaction is exactly what the planet will do, try to reestablish an equalibrium. Many people put a mystic property to this, but in reality everything seeks a balance and when this balance is out of whack, the more severe the reaction will be to try to bring back this balance. People being sick often can heal themselves by seeking out this balance within the chemistry of their bodies for example.

            In one word to describe what is going to happen, EXTREMES. You will have instead of having a flood with 10 inches of rain, 20. Instead of a drought lasting 12 months, maybe 5 years or 10. You get the idea, much more intense. This is showing up with tornadoes, hurricanes, weather records. Here is what people don’t see. Global warming doesn’t mean that it has to be warmer than average. The planet can be extremely cold as a reaction to the above average temperatures in many spots as this balance is trying to be reached. Buzz word global warming should be changed to global change.

            Back to your question. Will the Atlantic storms become the noraml. YES. So will hurricanes that wallop california that is at the same latitude as South and North Carolina. The ONLY thing that prevents california from not being nailed is the cold upwelling of the california current. This upwelling should it stop, would raise the temperature 10F and would allow San Diego to have 80-82 degrees ocean water, this would be prime time for hurricanes. There is an El Nino coming up that will warm the Pacific ocean this coming summer. If the temperatures from San Diego to LA get above 77 degrees this time around and a hurricane is driven into california, this time it WON’T fizz out. Like back on Sept. 25, 1939 when southern california was last hit by a tropical storm. 1938 was the last time New York really got nailed by the Long Island Express, one year later there was an El Nino in 1939 and california got nailed. 2012 superstorm Sandy, and 2013 there is going to be an El Nino. Interesting for california next year perhaps as weather follws patterns!

            People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

        • @BI…I have just been reading something on HAARP…have you done any research on them, and what are your thoughts?? This is pretty scary information!! take care, CC.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

          • Be informed says:

            @ Canada Canuk. The HAARP system seems to be more directed to weather modification than anything, of course they won’t tell you this. It would take magnitudes more energy to direct it at the planet. Not saying it cannot be done, just don’t think that anyone in their right mind would experiment with something that could kill the person along with many others doing the testing. These people are usually nuts, so who knows. It always seems that good intentional devices end up being used as weapons against someone.

            Years ago a very strange low pressure system was over Australia. It was almost perfectly circular at one point. With prevailing winds this should not happen. Experimenting with their toy, you bet. How much power it actually has is what is debatable here.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

        • JustOneGuy says:

          Hallelujah!!! Can I get a witness here!!!!!

          Hi BI,

          Had another GRB yesterday, same have been very sparse lately. It occurs to me that we seem to see a LOWER seismicity when these things ARE active, and the reverse also, From September forward the frequency with which we were recording those was way down. As per a previous post – I can’t remeber who it was though – speaking to the idea of the Earth ‘Heating Up’ and the concommitant’s associated therewith. IF a volume of anything is heated and it is contrained by the presence of a boundary then pressure goes up right? due to confinement of the tendency to expand. However, that’s not actually what occurs on a terrestrial scale. It’s more like the circumstance of a bunch of flotsam – the continents and plates – and it follows that if the average temp went down that’s when the interplate stresses would rise…similar to the bubbles in the bathtub draining out when you’ve pulled the plug…getting more and more compressed as they are pulled more and more tightly into proximity to the throat of the drain. Modernsurvival blog is running an article now about the possibility of a 9+ event on the west coast in light of the recent 7.7 up near Haida Gwaii…you might stop over and take a look if you haven’t already done so, it seems to be principally similar to what you;ve been saying lately. Again, Seismic is NOT my Forte’, Astro and Solar are. :)

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

          • Be informed says:

            @ JustOneGuy. After the 7.7 I did bring this immediately up about the Cascadia Fault as I could see how close it was. Many times others read what I wrote and write their own opinions on this. That’s is okay, especially when they can provide maps and visual aids to illustrate this. I have thought about outside influences such as HAARP and other manmade devices like the collidor in Switzerland and they could be influces the planet. However, these earthquakes are still following the same patterns they have decades before any of these devices existed.

            When you have a polar earthquake in a location it points to where there is going to be an earthquake that is larger most of the time. This is how I was able to predict where the last 3 earthquakes were going to hit. The 6.7 in Indonesia that was 10 miles away from where it hit 2 years ago, the 6.6 in Vanuatu, and the 7.7 in Canada that was 135 miles off. These devices are not affecting where they are hitting, as much as maybe accelerating the time between when they happen. When the Cascadia fault breaks it will allow the San Andreas that space to slip and move into, like it did back in 1700.

            Now, when the 9.1 in Indonesia broke, several weeks ago there was a huge earthquake of 8.1 down south of Australia. This was a lot of movement of the southern portion of the Australian plate, which of course moved against the area of the 9.1. I think that this earthquake was close enough and 7.7 is defintely powerful enough.

            I feel the longer we wait, the bigger the earthquake will be when the Cascadia fault goes. If it was going to be a 8.5-8.7 I really feel it would have broken by now. 8.8-9.0, you could probably give it another week to 3 weeks. If it is going to be 9.1 or larger it could take months or longer. The more something is locked the more time it s going to take for a powerful jarring like this 7.7 will take to cause it to collapse. If it goes into next year, then you are taking about a mammouth earthquake when it breaks. You are quite bright, does this make logical sense to you?

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

            • JustOneGuy says:

              Hi BI,

              “Now, when the 9.1 in Indonesia broke several YEARS ago…” There fix’t if for ya :) It is exactly the locked and under starin thing I was pointing towards…specifically, “What is the genesis of the pressures at the interplate boundaries? If, instead of a cooling occuring it was the case that a thorough (meaning like ‘microwave cooking a potato’ throughout) heating, an increase in the total heat energy, were occuring then we’d likely see some seimic occurances as the boudaries came to be under LESS strain. In so doing any local irregularities in which strain existed would begin to relax and possbly register seismically. It’s the corrsponding ‘cooling’ phase that would be like ‘soap bubbles down the drain’, ie, interplate pressures rising as the effective surface area at the magma/mantle interface decreases….kust like a ballon stuck into a refrigerato, volume (total) decreases. It is interesting to note that larely the averafe height of the magma at Kilahaeaha – Damn, ‘Hawaii’, never could spell those Hawaiin names from memory, too many durn consecutive vowels. – is rising. Did You mention that before? I think so actually. If the pressure (locally) in the center of the Pacific plate is rising, forcing magma up the caldera then counter-intuitively the average pressure at the plate boundary’s might be falling. “WHOA, GOT TO BE WRONG THERE BUDDY…” you will be thinking (I presume here, yes). Maybe not though: Consider a bar of any given material sitting flush and flat on a table top. Ig pressure is placed axially on the bar – sufficiently – then the bar will begin to bow, it can’t bow downwards so it befins to vow upwards as more and more is exerted against it…Yes? eventually the cenetr of the bar lifts from the table top leacing a gap through which onme can slip something between the two. TO BE SURE, the preceding is simplistic…it’s intended to demonstrate the notion, that all. The crust of the Earth over large distances is far more fluid than we’d otherwise think – as you well know, I’m NOT trying to ‘Instruct the Instructor’ here -…I digress here. In the future I’ll simply use ‘NMF’ to denote ‘Not My Forte’, Eh?
              Continuing. There something more to the pattern here than meets the eye, I’m sure. I’be collected over 200 Gb of the NOAA Solar archives over time and actually have just lately been through the entirety of the NOAA X-Plots back to 1996 looking, of course, for a central underlying theme, the pattern to it (beyond the obvious) 11 year greater cycle. Suffice it to say that – superficially – there isn’t any. Yet, when you start going back to look at the historical record of GRB’s there does seem to be some small correspondence in the patterns. Science, Physics moreover – as embodied in the ‘Standard model’ – knows both VERY much about out existence and simultaneously VERY little at the same time…if that sounds perfectly contradictory well it actually is, just about. The GRB thing is not so much an issue of a (as in the Pre-historic case) blast of Gamma which ELE’s us all into oblivion. It about what we don’t know but suspect. The entire universe and everything in it is almost perfectly transparent to “Gravity Waves” which proceed at EXACTLY the ‘speed of light’ no matter what. BTW, even the speed of light, over VAST distances, isn’t the speed of light as it were. The ulra-high energy stuff, gamma and extreme gamma are completely expected to proceed over such scales at an effectibe velocity different from lower energy impulses like radio, microwave etc. A veriety of experiments right now are attemting to answer some DEEP questions based on exactly this premise. In any event ‘something’ perhaps something science hasn’t successfully quantified well yet seems operant over long time scales allowing for extraordinary occurances in the depths of time. Lunar samples from the Apollo missions – analyzed by BASA researchers – suggest strongly (by odd isotopic composition) that over the last 1-2 million years truly gargantuan Solar events have occurred here in our own solar system…way beyond a mere X-20, 30, 40…
              I’ve just about concluded that ‘something’ is at work in all these things and that MATBE we just now have enough data from a huge number of sources to begin ‘seeing’ some of these additional connections which are bow so mysterious to us. Gee, I REALLY hope I hope that I don’t piss Mac off for this amount of rambling in the comments section…as I said, I’ll be REALLY glad if he can get that PM going over here…this is part of what I was alluding to previously. This STUFF just goes on and on and on….
              Anywho, it’s awful late…I’m outa here for the night. I know I didn’t give you – even proximately – an answer to your question tonight, my apologies therefor. On a final note, even though those on the east coast might not have had the good sense to prepare for this terror which has come home to them I have been cold and wet and tired many times in the past… I still am praying for them even though some of those here do not seem to have any respect for ‘Divine Agency’ ‘Night BI

              Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

              • JustOneGuy says:

                OMG!!

                I AM GOING TO SHOOT THIS DAMN KEYBOARD AS SOON AS I GET IT replaced with something better. Apologies to all. I wonder if I can get this thing strapped to the arm of my skeet/trap claybird launcher? Why do electonics make me soooo vindictive lately I wonder…AHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh.

                Yes Coco, I was BAD, using CAPS tonight… I am guilty, you may gloat at your conveniance.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

              • Be informed says:

                @ JustOneGuy. I sure do enjoy the think tank type of communications that goes on here, it is very stimulating. I understand what you are saying about the convection waves of heat transferring from one point to the other. The plate boundaries that do release pressure in a violent 9+ however is more of a process of the entire planet’s internal system. The plates are more less like that of an eggshell, and putting that egg into a constant state of being heated, but not quite to the point of blowing up egg yolk all over the place. Really the pressure and heat is only vented when there is some sort of volcanic eruption. Weaker points, oceanic crusts are moving and lose to continental crust everytime that is denser. The question is why does the crust drift in the direction that it does.

                Like you said there are cooler and warmer points of the pressure cooker that is under the planet. Now do these cooler areas mean that they are being relaxed and from this the seismic activity increases. I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think so. Many areas around the world where ancient plate boundaries were as violent as Japan and the coast of South America is now, are in a sense dead cold rock for the most part, all depending on the strain from the direction and movement of the plate. The New Madrid is an anceint plate boundary that was like the Kuril Islands. IF the direction of the North American plate was different, the directed strain would be away from it and now earthquakes on the New Madrid. Much of the strain directed towards the New Madrid is from the Cocos and Caribbean plates and the fact that the Atlantic Ocean is expanding in size. Like when the axis of a car breaks, it focuses toward that one weak point, in case of the New Madrid that point of fused rock.

                When an earthquake does go off there is a sharp decrease of pressure along where it broke, and pressure is heat. The problem though like in a pressure cooker is that unless there is some sort of venting that occurs, volcano, the heat would rapidly be replaced in this zone soon after the earthquake. The reason why Hawaii is experiencing what is happening is first it is on a hot spot like Yellwostone is and that the Pacific ocean is shrinking. The Atlantic Ocean is spreading and why you have this pulling apart of the oceanic crust there. The Pacific Ocean is being compressed in a way that a trash compactor kind of works and you have this bulging effect going on and why the magma is filling up like a boil.

                The plates and their direction of movement is really what is determining the stress points. When the plates try to move they concentrate energy away from the most locked positions to areas that are not so locked and smaller earthquakes occur. By figuring out the direction at which this “wave” of energy was directed FROM, you can forecast earthquakes. The more something is locked is smaller any type of earthquake activity will be in that area. The whole system is connected.

                Why do plates move in the direction they do? In all likelihood in a mass pressurized system like under the planet it has to with where the least amount of pressure is located that everything is being drawn to, just like in a hurricane’s eye. Everything is seeking out balance, and this drifting is likely this heat and pressure attempting to reach an equilibrium. The internal insides of the planet are irregular and you have these eddies of currents of heat and pressure. Everytime there is a venting, the system goes further out of whack. However without this venting, one day the planet could expand so much like a pressure cooker and literally blow itself outward. These weak points on the crust are where the venting occurs. Yellowstone could not go off for a long time because the hot spot is now over a thicker crust that can withstand the pressure. Idaho use to be the Yellowstone of North America.

                The crust itself is a result of being cooled enough rock to form a crust. As I mentioned the cooling effect of the rock decreases earthquake activity as less and less pressure occurs. I see where you are coming from like the balloon in a refrigerator, or a car’s tires when the temperature drops a lot. That this relaxation process is because the center of the mass is taking up the pressure and the plate boundaries are coming under less strain. The problem with this is that the entire system is not losing enough of the heat without a true venting. Unfortunately for humans this means a super volcano along the weak points, my bet being Indonesia or New Zealand.

                Now for the solar part of it. 260 million years ago or so there was a mass extinction of 95% of the species. It has been thought that this was either some widespread disease that is very possible or it came from space. If it came from space it was like either a gamma ray pulse or a huge solar flare that fried the planet with cosmic radiation and killed off the plankton and other sea and land food sources. Yes solar flares are probably more in the X100-X200 range when they really erupt. X-40 is chump change to what can happen, like Sandy was a spring rain in comparison to what can occur.

                People continue to under estimate what is happening and can happen from Mother Nature. By the way there was a large 5.8 on the Mid Atlantic Ridge today at 7 degrees north, this one was directed right at the Caribbean plate like a rifle bullet. 5.8 is larger for the Mid Atlantic Ridge as spreading areas like this earthquakes don’t get that big. Any other thoughts on anything, throughly enjoy your comments.

                Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

        • John W. says:

          Had it hit thirty miles further North it would have been much worse, the storm surge in New York harbor would have been ten feet higher.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    16. People have excuses for not prepping – mainly that if you prep you will be a target. Well NOT if everyone preps, and not when the disaster is temporary, like it is now.

      At the very least, make sure your pantry has at least 72 hours of food in it! It’s not that difficult and will save you having to join these hordes!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    17. Reed says:

      Before Sandy, Prepper was implied as a nut job by non-preppers!!!
      During Sandy, I wonder how many non-preppers & atheist found religion!
      After Sandy, Non-preppers have learned the hard lesson of Humility as well as meeting all the nut jobs at the gas station, except the preppers, who are home enjoying a cold drink! Who’s laughing now! The Looters are! In Houston since we have guns and we go “Jericho” after a Hurricane, we don’t hear of many looting reports..Imagine that. The only positive, is the entire NE seaboard now has learned the hard way and they will remember it! Boy Scout motto, “Always be Prepared”. It’s makes for an easier low stress life in an extreme situation. Houston, TX

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 2

    18. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      ALT HEAT cooking SOURCES … winter is soon here Preppers

      Do you have enough “propane” or “back up heat source” for heat and cooking in the event of a power outage ???

      *** i use both LIL’ BUDDY PORTABLE propane heater and SCIENCE LAB alcohol burners for “emergency heat source” works great in a small 200 sq foot spare bedroom i use as my “bug-in safe room – prep storage ” with the window cracked for ventilation exhaust in 0′ degree weather . $100. in both fuels combined covers me for two + weeks and its all transportable fits in a foot locker .

      plus i can burn any kind of fuels i find in my alcohol burners even kerosene gas diesel – just gotta be careful of air toxicity .

      i.e. always Have proper outside ventilation exhaust through wall exhaust port or stable window metal exhaust pipe system with insulated outer heat shield sleeve that extends 3 feet from outer window frame and only burn when awake – supervising the flame at all times .

      *** If you store fuels in home do so in area 20 ft away from spark heat sources with ventilation . Fuel / Change Fuel Cartridges on cool stoves outside no matter what in safe area 25 ft min or more from structures .

      ~N.O. ;0p

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 0

      • StevenKY says:

        Had an Ice storm here in Kentucky a few years ago and didn’t miss a thing. Got out the Coleman camp stove to put on top of my electric range, got out the Coleman lantern for plenty of light as well as the heat it gave off and also had some propane lights and heaters to attach to a 20 lb propane tank (0ne of several I keep on hand) which kept the living room toasty. My pantry was well stocked and the ice storm barely made a dent in it. By my calculations, there is enough pasta and pasta sauce plus the assorted canned meat to last at least 6 months {to make me sick of the taste of canned pasta sauce and canned meat), but at least it will keep me alive. My FAVORITE is Sweet Sue Brand CHICKEN AND DUMPLINGS. Nearly as good as my mom used to make and definitely worth checking out. Absolutely delicious and Sweet Sue also makes canned chicken which is just like the canned tuna but I have not yet tried any of the many cans that I have in the pantry. My faith is in just how yummy the chick’n and dumplings is. Will have to go ahead and try some to report on.
        To sum it up, BE PREPARED, just like the Boy Scouts motto. Just think about all those folks in NYC and NJ etc that knew the hurricane was coming but did not have a clue what to do.
        Take care and stay safe. Steve

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 18 Thumb down 0

        • BlueH20 says:

          The only drawback of canned white meat chicken is that it is dry. So, after you get tired of chicken salad, just take a little cooking oil, saute some onion and add the chicken to the sauteed onions. After a couple of minutes, add in whatever else you have/want/like and serve over rice/pasta.

          Another alternative is chicken croquettes. Lots of recipes online. You can use reconstituted dried egg for these. Top with a white sauce or a country gravy.

          I love Coleman butane stoves. They use very little fuel, so it goes a long ways.

          Keep a large jar of dehydrated onions in the cupboard or make your own. Dehydrate whatever is leftover from the garden or on sale any given week. I know most of you already do this. To cook, read the label.

          We have used dehydrated tomatoes that were put up 18 months prior and they were still good. Over 2 years, they tend to become tasteless, though not spoiled.

          Dehydrated beef liver w/garlic powder is really good for your dogs, too.

          Right now, we are emptying the freezers in preparation for deer harvest. Legs and hooves for the dog and any shed antlers you find will keep them busy for months.

          Once a week, try something from your stores to find out if you like it.

          Once you have some sort of power supply figured out for emergencies, add in some portable submersible pumps. You don’t need to live in a flood plain to have too much water in the cellar that will be beyond the sump pump’s capacity. Heavy rains will always drain from the ridge to the valley.

          I feel for the city folks and am glad I always seemed to have this allergy to concrete and crowds. My parents were teens in the Depression and my grandparents were immigrants, so everyone always had food put back. My grandmother gardened even when she didn’t have to because the produce was better that way.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 0

        • jayjay says:

          Steven…not a week goes by that I don’t have chicken salad using that canned chicken. I have shelfs of sweet pickles just for that and a case of mayo bought @ 99 cents a jar :-) Piggly-Wiggly!!
          Lots of recipes online to use that canned chicken, whether 5 oz, 10 oz, or those weird 12 oz cans.
          Just saying.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

      • Sixpack says:

        People get so freaked out by propane indoors, and they SHOULD be careful, but my Dad lived in his van. He used an old, pump-up-the-tank type coleman camp stove for cooking and heat in many Pacific NW winters. He lived like that (by choice) for decades. He always cracked the driver’s side window for ventilation and never had a problem. From him I learned that those coleman stoves CAN burn unleaded gas instead of coleman fuel, you just have to clean the regulator coil more often.

        I’ve done the same thing for as long as I can remember.

        When your resource list is very short, is no time to be afraid, it’s time to be cautious and conscious. If I’m freezing and all I have is a propane torch, I’m gonna figure out how to use it to stay warm and alive…believe THAT!

        My Dad used to tell us kids: “If I tell ya a piss ant will eat a bale of hay, give it to him”…and as I grew into an adult, I often found that to be true.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 0

    19. PitBull Pappa says:

      It’s sad that most people didn’t learn from the aftermath of Katrina & more sadly yet… most won’t learn from this disaster either…:( As always, the blame is put on the bankrupt government to “do something” and as always what little can/will be done by the bankrupt government will be severely criticized.

      Until people take on the responsibility of taking care of themselves & preparing for situations like t his, which most won’t, this type of outcome will occur time & time again. I wonder how long it will be until massive rioting begins to break out?

      Keep stack’n… hold strong & go long…

      PBP

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 14 Thumb down 0

    20. Merree says:

      The saddest thing are the truly vulnerable people who are hurting. I heard a report from an elderly woman in New York. She lives in a high rise for the elderly and there are hundreds of people living there. Most of them were afraid to evacuate- they were afraid their homes would be looted or they didn’t know where to go. Now they are essentially trapped in a building with no electricity, no elevators and no heat. Their food is running out.
      I would how many elderly people will be found dead in their homes. The highest mortality rate for Hurricane Katrina was from elderly people who were reluctant to abandon their homes and I suspect that we may see a repeat of this.
      I guess the prepping lesson is for people to consider making extra efforts to look out for the elders in their families. I have plans to evacuate my parents if I need to. They are fairly good preppers but, if they need help, I will do what I can.
      I wonder about the elderly people in nursing homes and people with illnesses that make it difficult to evacuate. Many of these do not have families or friends to turn to and they are not necessarily people who just live to sponge off the government. I appreciate the need to build supplies for myself but there are also people around who do not have the skills and means to prepare themselves. I have my private list of those I would help out. Any thoughts?

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 0

      • Nehweh Gahnin says:

        Hi Merree. I read your post after I posted mine, below. Do what you are doing. Me and my anarchist friends know who we can rely upon and who we will carry when it comes time. That is a large part of the equation of survival right there. You try to educate while you can. It comes slowly, but it comes. When the shtf, you have what you have. At that point, regrets are useless. So the solution is to do what you need to do and what you can do now. That’s it.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

      • WaroftheRoses says:

        I agree we need to help the elderly and the young. We have taken steps to do so in the event of a disaster (shtf). The rest home is 2 blocks from our house and so part of our neighborhood responsibility.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    21. whoisbiggles says:

      Damn I never cease to be amazed at peoples stupidity.

      Hmmmm, after Katrina things were pretty messed up. Hmmm but this time St Obummer is prez now, things will be different, I don’t need to prep.

      FFS this wasn’t a sudden SHTF event.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

    22. Nehweh Gahnin says:

      Mac, a great piece by you. But I have some critiques, if you don’t mind.

      First, I realize that you did not write the portion stating “nine meals from anarchy.” You were just posting the link, and that article was pretty good, although it had a couple of faulty premises. But I just have to say, the author’s equating the term “anarchy” with the “chaotic” situation that would follow a supply shut-down is ignorant. (You, commendably, used the term “chaos” when you picked up the thread in the next paragraph.) The reality is that the anarchists are not relying upon anyone else for their personal security (including food, water, etc.). I know a lot of folks on this site don’t understand anarchism, and they are ideologically opposed to it, maybe even violently. But I also know there are a number of people on this site who are anarchist, including me. (I miss Ocumgachee, btw.) Either way, the anarchists have been preppers for longer than you can imagine. Think Henry David Thoreau, to get a time perspective.

      The second thing is this: Those people depicted at the dumpster were anarchist, guarantee you. The first tenet of anarchism is, you don’t waste anything. If that food was edible, it needed to be preserved as edible. If there was a surplus, it was distributed among those who were supportive. If anyone on this site can find fault with that reasoning, let me know.

      And I just want to say this in closing: If you are inclined to have a knee-jerk reaction to my references to anarchism, ask yourself first, what is informing my issue with this? Next, read. Wikipedia will take you a long way, but it is just a scratch in the paint, so to speak. Learn. You can feel free to refute and debate and criticize all you would like, but wouldn’t it be nicer to be coming from a position of informed understanding?

      I am a Ron Paul supporter. He is “labeled” Libertarian. How many people on this site understand that Libertarianism is a branch of anarchism? Hmmmm… Think that might have anything to do with his marginalization?

      Love, support, prepare.

      Out.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 26 Thumb down 3

      • Sixpack says:

        I too consider myself an Anarchist and have for decades. I have a lot of good friends in Austin, and although it was never reported, many ANARCHISTS from as far away as Texas, manning their own private boats, to go pull trapped people out when the Feds failed. They rescued many people the Feds forgot about.

        Hundreds of ANARCHISTS were turned away at the NO city limits, with caravans of food, water and other supplies for the people, being told by FEMA “we don’t need your help”. Even the Russians were trying to send cargo plane loads of aid to Katrina victims and were not allowed to land here in the U.S…meanwhile, people died.

        The Federal response to Katrina wasn’t a “mistake”, it was intentional, as they want to get rid of the poor black folks living there, to turn the gulf into one big oil refinery operations center. Do the research and see for yourselves. You may have to do some digging though, as the info is publicly scarce on that subject.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 13 Thumb down 6

        • yental says:

          “The Federal response to Katrina wasn’t a “mistake””. No it wasn’t. In fact, it was a trial run for near future events. From the willingness of the “military types” to ignore their oath, to the planned desperation of people willing to accept whatever absudity is offered…short term hope that will EXTRACT a long-term price. The lesson is crystal clear for those that are currently HERE.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

          • Sixpack says:

            Very good point. I do not believe some people do stupid things because they didn’t know better — I believe they KNEW but did it ANYWAY, and I don’t get the few thumbs down, what…ya’ll hate to hear that they LET people die after Katrina? Look it up and learn the difference between indifference and stupidity.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

        • jayjay says:

          Sixpack, one article suggested FEMA camps are for the disenfranchised/poor when TPTB get what they want–the gulf as one big oil refinery center.
          Makes one wonder how all that went down.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

        • John W. says:

          Never underestimate stupidity. They did the same thing to the volunteer firemen when the big fires hit the Austin area. The Feds took over told them all to get lost. Smart move. Made the damage worse.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

    23. mirbach says:

      The Rural Electric Administration was formed in 1935 to bring electricity to everyone in America and just 77 years later sheeple are completely paralyzed when the power goes out. Imagine that, a gubbmint program that has turned the vast majority of Americans into complete wimps.

      Events like this should be a wake up call that the conveniences and gadgetry (which has turned most Americans into pussies and slaves to the electric coops) are the distractions that keep people from being self sufficient and self determinant.

      This event should also be a wake up call to: 1) keep a supply of non perishable food and bottled water stocked up and 2) evacuate a danger zone BEFORE the threat arrives.

      I’m not very sympathetic for those that stayed in harms way, YOU WERE TOLD TO EVACUATE. The Government gave fair warning, issued MANDATORY evacuation orders and those that IGNORED the warnings are screaming for the Government to rescue their sorry asses? Screw you stupid people! The Lord helps those that help themselves, the rest should be left to suffer the fate and the consequences of their stupidity.

      Sure enough I like the convenience of electricity, but frankly I am certain that I could live with out being hooked up to the grid. Propane fridge, wood stove, solar panels, battery bank and inverters for the communications gadgets. Losing power from the grid would not diminish my quality of life (as long as the internet is still accessible).

      I will say this again, this should be a wake up call to work on lessening your dependence on the grid and to think ahead to the possibilities of supply chain problems that could occur without notice.

      What’s that saying about never learning from history?

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 2

      • Nehweh Gahnin says:

        In the not too distant “history” the internet was not “accessible.” Just sayin’ …

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

      • EISENKREUTZ says:

        Most people have nowhere to evacuate to, have you ever thought about that?

        Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 15

        • The Old Coach says:

          First rule of tactics – know your line of retreat. ’nuff said.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 11 Thumb down 0

          • John W. says:

            Ever been to New York? The city and adjoining areas are huge. Many areas are dangerous. Many in NY do not own cars as it is too expensive. Stick to what you know.

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

        • AO1(AW) says:

          There is ALWAYS somewhere else to go. Maybe not long term, but if it comes down to it, you just gotta GTFO.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

        • Gregory8 says:

          Eisenkreutz: There are two types of people: those that can’t escape (the sick and elderly) and we can feel for them. But most folks that are caught up in this are in the second catagory: those that are too lazy/stupid to have some place to go. To them I say; “I hope you learn something from this”. I lived between Miami and Homestead during Hurrican Andrew. Folks left town for N. Florida and even into Georgia and Alabama. They gased up the cars and took money and credit cards to stay with family or in motels. So I don’t want to hear that crap about no place to go. Being a responsible adult means being ready for emergencies and having the preps needed to meet them. We’ve grown into a nation of fat, lazy, dependent sissies expecting others to do the ‘heavy lifting’ should things go bad.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 1

    24. Norse Prepper says:

      To those that make it through this mess, if it opens their eyes to prepping this could be the best thing that has ever happened to them.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 1

    25. Nehweh Gahnin says:

      Let’s see a show of hands: Those who have 6 months of food AND water set aside, hit the like button. Those who have less than that, hit the down button. Don’t lie, now. No one is tracking this (at least not me). Simple, do you, or don’t you, honestly?

      I don’t know if I can like my own post… But I could sit in my house for a very long time.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 104 Thumb down 29

      • Nehwah
        Can’t do either, six months food, less than half that in water.

        Take care

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2

        • Nehweh Gahnin says:

          You are (and have been for as long as I’ve been reading your posts) aware of that Burt. That’s a darn-sight better than most folks around you. You take care too! =0)

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

      • 9mm says:

        Don’t have 6 months of water stored. However, plenty of underground water with lots of wells in the area, with multiple ways of running the wells. (farm area, with wells used for irrigating crops)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • AO1(AW) says:

        Not enough water.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • Nehweh Gahnin says:

        Just getting back to this after being busy yesterday. 101-27 … THAT is heartening! But of course, it should be like that on this site. The exercise, mostly, was simply to get people inventorying in their head, if they haven’t already. Burt, I know you needed no such exercise to increase your awareness! ;0)

        Water filtration is relatively cheap. 20,000 liters of clean water can be had for 400 fiat bucks (1 SafeWater jerry can). That is just 2 cents per liter! I’m not sure I beat that price with my tapwater. So although it is a big up-front expenditure for many folks, the investment cannot be beat. Also, there are several methods of building water filtration systems that can be researched.

        I live near one of the major rivers in this area. It flows through the largest metro area. Not that I would drink its water unfiltered now, but a week post-shtf, that water will be toxic and ridden with very bad stuff. Most rivers will quickly get that way. They will be one of the primary disease vectors.

        Water, water, water.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    26. Shirley says:

      Darwin is cutting in line.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    27. Anonymous says:

      Oooooh thaaaaankyou Mr. President………………. mmmmmnnnn mmmmmmmnnnnnnn.

      Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 4

    28. BadAmerican says:

      Sandy is a Libertarian, and she already cast her vote.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 19 Thumb down 0

    29. HaganaHBB says:

      Living in Northwest NJ we got hit pretty bad by Sandy. Nowhere near as bad as the NJ shore. People here have been without power since Monday night at 7pm ( almost exactly).
      Fortunately, we got our power back on exactly 24 hours after we lost it ( strange).
      Power is slowly returning in surrounding areas however there are still trees down, power lines tied up in poles, wires across roads and driveways, trees on top of houses and cars. This is just in a 5 mile radius that I’ve seen. It’s widespread throughout the state. The tap water in my town has become contamintaed and we have received a boil advisory ( no thanks I’ll use my stored supplies then replenish asap)
      Now gas shortages are becoming an issue. The people who are fortunate to have generators have run out of gas. Lines at gas stations are up to 5 miles and 4 hours long so people are traveling out of state ( using plenty of gas) to fill up their cars and gas cans. Cars are running out of gas waiting in line. Fights are breaking out, stations are price gouging. Scumbags are starting to siphon gas from vehicles and robbing houses while people are out waiting in gas lines.It’s insane!
      I have to say that I’m quite relaxed through it all. I only needed my generator for a couple of hours for the fridge and to charge phones etc while we were trying to figure everything out. I’ve got enough food and water for months ( working on making that years). Nearly 25 gallons of gas stored only needed a few for generator. Helped out a couple friends with some for their gen’s and one borrowed my gen tonight. Have 10 gallons left ( not enough but will back me up til there’s more available or I take a carpool road trip with some friends)
      Got my family ( even Mom, Grandma and Mom in Law) and a friends family who have all lost power here at my home, comfortable and warm with plenty of food and water. Enough fuel in the vehicles for now ( 3 cars with full tanks, one with 1/2). Plenty of firearms and ammo if it starts getting worse around here ( made it to a gun show to add to the ammo supply the day before the storm hit).
      Now we hear that there’s a chance of another storm headed our way. Hoping to have access to more fuel to get ready for that one.

      Through all of this I have discovered that I need a bigger generator and more gasoline in storage. Can always use more food and water and more emergency lighting. Need an alternative cooking source and solar everything.
      Came through this without having the fear of starving, freezing, being stranded or worrying about loved ones. Though I can always do more, add more to my supplies, learn more and help more.
      Keep prepping. Keep learning more and don’t forget to have enough for family ( even a little extra for some friends that may be in need due to circumstance).
      I hope the best for everyone going through all of this right now. I hope that everyone will learn from this and wake up. Things are getting really shaky to say the least.

      Be ready! Stand Strong! Watch your six!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 50 Thumb down 0

      • HaganaHBB, check on possibly getting a LP conversion kit for your generator. LP stores better than the current gasoline, and if you happen to have LP for cooking/heating on your property, so much the better. Glad to hear you’re still here and getting along. Cudos on the firearms and ammo.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

        • BleakoEcobamics says:

          I’ve been looking at generators and thinking of buying LP outright, not conversion. I really like the idea of using grill-style tanks to fuel them, seems clean, quiet, and convenient. Is there any reason I should go for something else? (i.e., Honda’s are SOOO good they are worth getting and converting, or particular feature I may not be able to get w/LP ones, etc.)

          I have no idea how to get my well hooked up to one :( Can’t find the well head, pump info, AND I rent so not jazzed about dropping $$$ for a transfer box… but that’s a different problem.

          Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

        • Prepared Pastor says:

          I no longer use my generator now that I bought a ProCom vent-less gas space heater. I was running it constantly to keep the furnace fan running. Now I use a $100 inverter to power my freezer a couple hours a day and if we want to watch TV in the evenings. My diesel has dual tanks so between that and the Jeep we could meet our electric needs for six weeks before needed to refill with stored fuel.

          Consumer Reports did an excellent article on this running everything from a freezer to a sump pump on a cheap PW900.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    30. Displaced Texan says:

      Question?
      What would make for a good ham radio communications setup? Anybody out there into this and would care to share?
      How about back up power?
      Possible to run a comm setup through the computer or no?
      Thanks in advance – DT

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    31. There is no starvation going on where sandy hit, a good ole fast and cleansing of the body which is a healthy thing. Especially if they’re Americans they will have plenty of fat reserves to help them through.

      FASTING AND STARVATION: CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEVE,FASTING IS NOT STARVATION! During a fast, the body is braking down the fat in the body that is being stored, while conserving the essential tissue and
      muscles. Fasting causes the body to use Fat for energy! Starvation however, is the point to which the body has used up all of its fat,tissues, muscles and reserves. Starvation begins to break the body down of its own essential
      tissues. This is starvation….. A very big difference between fasting. The point of starvation for a human being of normal weight can take quite some time to happen. Some scientist believe it can take up to 35 days or more for the body
      to go into starvation mode. Of course this is for someone of normal weight and eating habits.

      So these folks are fine a little denial wont hurt them it will be good for them physically mentally and spiritually, get rid of all those poisons from the gmo foods they have been eating.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 7

      • Another Comment says:

        >>Especially if they’re Americans they will have plenty of fat reserves to help them through.

        And what god-forsaken country do you hail from?

        Thank you very much, but not all Americans are fat. Yes, I know the statistics. Ever heard of lies, damn lies and statistics? And averages tell you nothing. If you stick one hand in dry ice and the other in boiling water, on average you’ll be comfortable.

        Manhattan has <10% obesity, it's very low. Playing the numbers, I'd bet you have quite a bit more fat than the average New Yorker. Most of it in your head, apparently. "If" they are Americans? Where do you think Sandy hit? While many may not like NY/NJ it is typically considered part of America. Again, odds are, they're American.

        Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 7

        • i live on the west coast and have driven truck across our great nation for many years. and what i see is a lot a overweight folks and when they say obesity is on the rise it is one stat that isn’t wrong. Go down to your local chinamart and people watch, you see it.

          As to my comment if they’re Americans was because its NYC area where there are a lot of immigrants who tend not to eat the same shit processed junk food that we do and aren’t overweight,

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 2

      • Prepared Pastor says:

        I have found fasting to be mostly a mental discipline. Those who drink caffeine often get headaches at first and after about three days one stops feeling hungry. I did it for a week once and was impressed/horrified by what came out of my body.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

      • John W. says:

        With all the two stoolers walking around and also going to all u can eat buffets a little fasting will be a good thing.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

      • john ina box says:

        Al,

        I’m not sure where you are getting your information. Fasting is in no way good for the body. As mammals we are designed to eat every 3 or so hours.

        After about 40 hours of little or no food, regardless of how fat you are, your body will start eating its own muscle for fuel, while storing and trying to hold onto fat cells. That is starvation mode.

        It is not, let me repete this, IS NOT a good idea to fast. I understand a lot of people do this for religious reasons and there are a million fad diets. But fasting will only hurt you in the long run. It throws off your metabolism and throws your body into starvation mode, which as I mentioned, will eat away at your muscle while holding onto fat. This is all very basic nutrition information. Don’t trust me, please look it up. No credible nutritionist anywhere, has ever, recomended a fast. It is simply not how the body functions efficiently.

        Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 5

        • john ina box says:

          That being said, I can definitly agree there is a large portion of our population who could benefit from drastically DECREASING their daily food intake.

          And when I said we are designed to eat every 3 or so hours, I was talking about SMALL meals every 3 or 4 hours. Something like a 6oz piece of meat, a small apple, and a small handfull of almonds or peanuts would be the perfect meal fopr most of us.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    32. Darkside says:

      Only for the grace of God go I. What do you have you have not been given. Don’t gloat preppers. A calamity can strike anywhere. Have mercy on the poor souls regardless of their fooly combined with unfortunate circumstance. It could be you no matter how well you have prepared.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 28 Thumb down 4

      • (empty space) says:

        Darkside,
        What you post is all well and good. That being said, there are some that are not worth saving, or even caring about. (By their fruit you will know them)

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

      • Government Guy says:

        What do I have that I have not been given? Everything that I have earned. Yes, God gave us 24 hours in a day and talents, but he also gave us FREE WILL which many used to defy 1 Peter 2:13 and the authorities both before and after Sandy.

        All were instructed to assemble a 72 hour kit. Many were instructed to evacuate. The difference between me and them is that I appreciate charity when facing calamity where they demand an entitlement.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    33. manos says:

      Hi guys,

      We saw all that on the news.

      I hope that you are ok.

      Any news from Clay?

      Keep preping and stay strong.

      We are going to see more crap ahead. I’m praying for you.

      Manos

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 31 Thumb down 0

    34. would it have been easier to have prep 3 months food storrage at very least 3 months wont break the bank….when i see these food lines the word dumb ass comes to mind

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 10 Thumb down 0

    35. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      “Preppers should Own their own body weight in Physical Silver.”

      ~cocopuff crackhead proverb

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    36. CocoPuff CrackHead says:

      CIA False-Fag Wars: There are No Winners … Revisionism, Fascism, and the CIA | John V. Denson Nov 1, 2012

      THE AGE OF CONTINUOUS GLOBAL WAR will Destroy AmeriKa … it is now time for THE REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS TO ARISE !

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHs6DvYVGc&feature=player_embedded#!

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 1

    37. VRF says:

      And after all this proof…there will still be a lot of people who will not prep, even after they have seen, or been thru this themselfs.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 7 Thumb down 0

    38. Anonymous says:

      RULE ONE FOR FAMILY SURVIVAL You cannot live in large cities you cannot live close to any coast you must have 3 months living supply at all times that means all of it money food water fuel anything less than this and you are a loser who cares more about your job than your family or loved ones because without these basic preps you just don’t care.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 3

      • Daisy says:

        Anonymous says:
        “…anything less than this and you are a loser who cares more about your job than your family or loved ones because without these basic preps you just don’t care.”

        That’s a pretty ignorant statement in an economy where more and more people are becoming homeless and jobless. With the prices of food going up and the incomes, if you manage to keep your job, remaining the same, your judgemental blanket statement doesn’t take any of that into consideration.

        I have supplies but I sure as heck don’t have 3 months of expenses put aside. For me, it is a choice of one or the other. Serious sacrifices get made to build our supplies.

        I hope you’ll reconsider your statement damning those of us that may not make 6 figures.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 7

    39. VRF says:

      Im paying close attention , and learning for my future when this comes to my front door.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    40. Prepping Preacher says:

      i still can’t wrap my head around the concept of people expecting – even demanding – that they be taken care of by someone else or by some agency that is supposed to be ready, on alert and standing by with exactly what each person needs(wants, really)… i’m wondering if any of them will ever wake up to basic personal responsibility because that’s what it boils down to – taking care of one’s self and being aware of what’s happening around you…

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 25 Thumb down 0

    41. Val says:

      Did you ever think that maybe people did prep and their houses were destroyed therefore the supplies were destroyed too or maybe washed away with the storm. Also this picture is not of people lined up for food ! They are lined up waiting for buses to take them to their jobs.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 6

      • BadAmerican says:

        @Val:

        Never keep all your eggs…

        Rule of threes…

        A stitch in time…

        Fool me once…

        Once upon a time…

        Pick from the list and apply generously.

        there is no known cure for NYC stupid.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

      • smattering says:

        Val,
        Your point is well taken, but most likely misapplied. The people who did prep but lost it all in the storm, did not prep in vain. They developed a mindset and likely acquired skills to last a lifetime. Even having lost all, they are miles ahead of their neighbors who never prepped at all.

        “it is not how many times you are knocked down, but how many you rise that will define you.”

        George Custer 1839-1876 (loosely paraphrased)

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

      • Eisenkreutz says:

        Youre so full of shit its coming out your ears. Common sense tells you them hood rats did nothing to prepare. Idiot.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 5

    42. (empty space) says:

      These City Rats are so very strange people. I lived in a large mid-western city during my collage days and met people who had NEVER been more than a few miles from where they grew up.

      Never grew a tomato, saw a corn field, a Red Tail Hawk, or shot a deer. If it wasn’t at the “corner store”, it wasn’t in their world.

      I call them City Rats, because many of them had the morals of rats.

      Cured me of crowds and big cities.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 31 Thumb down 1

    43. Only thing missing in the streets is an old Desoto rolling by, music coming from the speakeasys, and the kids on the sidewalk hawking the daily newspapers.

      EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! HEADLINES SAY: IF YOU HAD READ SOME SHTFBLOG YOU MIGHT NOT BE STANDING OUT HERE TODAY!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 17 Thumb down 0

      • Mama Bear says:

        dang, Patriot, this is the third time you’ve made me literally laugh out loud over the past few days…you must have gotten some more oats in your feed or something.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

    44. Chris45 says:

      It looks like the chickens have come home to roost. I find it amazing that these people want the government out of thier lives and when a storm or other event hits they are the first to scream for Government assistance.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

    45. Paul says:

      Yes. Most were unprepared. Most know that now. But please, at the very least, say a small prayer for the families and innocent children. These are our firneds, neighbors, co-worker, and most importantly, fellow Americans. Lets get thru this together.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    46. hammerhead says:

      help me out here with a couple things .
      i read here about people not having satalite/cable tv .
      how do you get local news or weather?
      and whats with all the beans and rice talk ? is it a regional thing? i live in n.lower michigan and beans and rice are something you saw cowboys eat on old tv shows.
      its never been in the diet . beans are for chile and rice is for the chinese restrant take out(around here).
      thanks

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 1

      • AnonLegion says:

        Lol im in se mi and its beans and rice because they last long store well and are cheap.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • ButterknifeBrigade says:

        Beans and rice are inexepensive, thus you can stock more in order to keep you and yours fed if food is unabtainable from the grocery store. Also it,s a figure of speech around here meaning food stuffs in general.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • Mama Bear says:

        Hammerhead, you need to get down to the New Orleans area and do some eating. Beans and rice form a complete protein, and it’s really hard to beat them with some roux, Cajun seasoning and hot sauce. Maybe some ground up chicken gizzards thrown in, or hamburger if you’re going to be all fancy. Soul food at its finest. I too am upper Midwest and didn’t discover them till I fell in love with Cajun and creole food after taking a cooking class in NOLA.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 8 Thumb down 0

      • Well, all of us have internet service . Beans and rice cheap ,long term, filling foods. Wheat ,pasta , corn maybe more what you are used to. My question to you is don’t you eat Mexican food? We ate refried beans all the time. If there is a will there is a way to food storage . Do a little research about how to store food you like long term .

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    47. Egads says:

      My questions are, why didn’y any of these people (who knew the storm was coming for DAYS) become better prepared and do you think they will be better prepared next time?

      Unfortunately, I doubt it! Most people are too stupid to learn a lesson from this, except that Govt. should do a better job to save them!!!!

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 0

    48. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Don’t worry New Yorkers, I’m sure Michelle-O is sending you some of her leftover caviar and wine bottles as I type.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 20 Thumb down 0

    49. Zoltanne says:

      Looks like NJ will go without electricity when the repairmen are non-union.

      SEASIDE HEIGHTS, NEW JERSEY (WAFF) -

      The hurricane-ravaged east coast has been receiving north Alabama help, but crews from Huntsville Utilities learned they’ll be doing work in Long Island, New York instead of in New Jersey.

      Crews from Huntsville, as well as Decatur Utilities and Joe Wheeler out of Trinity headed up there this week, but Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.

      The crews that are in Roanoke, Virginia say they are just watching and waiting even though they originally received a call asking for help from Seaside Heights, New Jersey.

      The crews were told to stand down. In fact, Moore said the crew from Trinity is already headed back home.

      Understandably, Moore said they’re frustrated being told “thanks, but no thanks.”

      At least Huntsville has now found someone who wants their help.

      Source: waff dot comm

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 12 Thumb down 1

    50. loup garou says:

      It amazes me how people have that “it cant happen to me attitude” and how fast they forget the disasters the US has gone through already. As for a wake up call, this alarm has been sounding off for a long time with documentaries on the weather channel “it can happen tomarrow” and others! new york is as bad as new orleans, live by the sea, deal with the sea! people need to pull their heads out of fantasy land and be ready for whatever disaster be it man made or natural wake the hell up and PREPARE!

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    51. Grandpa says:

      with the amount of people per square mile and are completely clueless how to work together. this is more of a watch and learn event between dumbasses , the communist rule..and when to flick the saftey off

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

    52. Barn Cat says:

      Those people were just through Hurricane Irene in the spring. They were told this storm is coming. They could’ve left or they could’ve prepared. Having seen a disaster of this magnitude I’m sure the rest of the country is now fully preparing ;)

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    53. Satori says:

      I made the mistake of watching a few minutes of “Fox and Friends”
      on the Faux News Network this morning

      it was hysterical and absolutely REEKED of hypocrisy

      “its anarchy’ “its lawlessness” “there’s no food no water”
      etc etc etc
      blah blah blah referring to the situation in Staten Island

      why don’t they do something????

      “they” being government

      everybody bashes “big government”
      and WTSHTF what do they do ????
      absolutely scream for big gov to save them
      and this includes the douche bags on Fox and Friends

      what an absolutely pathetic display it was
      I had to turn it off

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 16 Thumb down 7

      • Grandpa says:

        usually theres delivery trucks that stock business on a daily run and knows exactly the volume of comsumption of such area… suppose theres orders to stand down and keep out….Let the clueless outsiders do the thinking.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

        • Rick:) says:

          The stores are closed. No power. And with anti-gouging laws limiting price increase to 10%, a store owner would be an idiot to source and pay for a generator, and not be able to recoup his costs.

          For all you that defend anti-gouging laws, are you starting see how they muck up the system?
          Would you rather have a plentiful supply of $8.00 gas, or no gas? And what do you think the end value of a gallon of $3.85 gas is after you’ve sat idling in your car for 4 hours. Is your time valuable? Do you really think you can’t get a station working, just because the utility power is out? They could get gennys hooked up and working in less than an hour. But that has a cost. And if that cost can’t be passed on, why do it? Thank your Governor for protecting your wallet! What a sport.
          He needs someone with a clue to advise him.

          There is NO SUCH THING AS GOUGING IN A CRISIS!. Both the cost and value of “things” go up, up, UP! Supplies will get to where they are needed, with NO government intervention. Entrepeneurs will see to it. The market will see to plenty, and it will not be hoarded by the first in line. That’s what happens with artificial price controls. Prices will only be high in the beginning. And you’ll whine, pay, and have what you need. Then others, sensing the profit, will join in the fray. Supply will jump, and competition will kick in, and equalibrium will be acheived. The only reason all these stores are closed, are these stupid laws.

          People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0

          • hammerhead says:

            well said rick , i attempted to wage this very arguement last night , but just couldnt make the bonehead understand that if the price is high people wont hoard and everybody gets some ,later competition will bring down the prices. seems soooo simple.
            but the point was lost to stupidity.arrrgh!

            Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

      • Highspeedloafer says:

        Its because you listened with that expectation. I thought they were making fun of big gov’t. and the people who depend on it. You just don’t get it.

        Rate This Comment: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0

    54. loulou says:

      If this doesn’t pop open the eyes of the still asleep people, I really believe nothing will. This makes me prep more.I was in shock when a newscaster was amazed that u could use bleach to ” clean” the water.I thought everyone should know that, that’s given..I’m so thankful for finding this site, its very scary to watch what happens when ur unprepared.My heart goes out to the chidren that are cold and hungry because their parents chose to not be prepared.

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 15 Thumb down 0

      • Lurker says:

        Just like any gambler, they will double-down in the hopes of getting back to even…
        Big government failed them so maybe bigger government will make them whole?

        I am also doubling-down… I got a bunch of stuff and looking to go get a whole lot more.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0

    55. The Realist says:

      Time is short.. If the bamma isn’t elected.. And ejected.. The natives may get restless!

      What a better time to do so in the midst of a disaster..and a presidential changing of the guard.

      Preps maybe will come into play next week..

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 5 Thumb down 2

    56. Satori says:

      well they’re gonna get hit again

      nowhere as bad as Sandy

      but a north easter should be hitting them about Election Day or so

      People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 9 Thumb down 0

    57. BigB says:

      I have at least a months worth of food for 6 that will be expiring over the next month and will need to be rotated out. Wonder how best to get this stuff back to the effected areas?

      Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 3

      • Another Comment says:

        American Red Cross takes donations of non-perishable food. Check with your local chapter.

        Hot debate. What do you think? Thumb up 2 Thumb down 6

      • Red Racer says:

        BB: Give it to your local food pantry’s. If you have room keep for bartar.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

      • jayjay says:

        DO NOT throw that food away..those dates are only put on for idiots that will sue.
        I made a cake using mix 3 years old–it was delicious.
        Ramen noodles best buy date, 2009, I ate last month were great with bouillon cubes??
        If the packet isn’t great, a little dry, use beef or chicken bouillon cubes.

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 5 Thumb down 0

    58. The madness begins. Look at what is happening and project this into what will happen in the future. Our society is not ready for this, we have become soft and goverment dependent. Patriots need to study what is happening on the east coast closely. Be genious but learn.

      Rate This Comment: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 0

      • Zoltanne says:

        LC, now don’t talk like that. The US is trying hard to sell us on Agenda 21 so we can all live in the urban settings because ‘they’ believe it’s a better, more ‘collective’ way of life. I can’t wait to live on concrete and share my brown suits!

        People like this comment. Do You? Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0