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Victory for Self Defense as Judge Rules Students Can Keep Guns on College Campuses

Mac Slavo
December 12th, 2013
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selfdefenseAll over America local and state governments are attempting to restrict the individual’s ability to protect themselves from harm by banning the ownership, possession, and carrying of firearms for self defense. So much so that even businesses and quasi-government entities are jumping aboard the bandwagon.

But every time they try to pass legislation or regulations contrary to the spirit and letter of the Second Amendment, advocates for gun rights step in to fight the good fight.

The latest victory comes from Florida, where 24-year old college student and mother Alexandria Lainez was threatened with expulsion and arrest for her decision to keep a firearm in her car while attending class.

Florida Carry Inc. and  Alexandria Lainez vs. the University of North Florida centered around Lainez’s ability to store a gun in her vehicle while attending classes at UNF so she would have available for self-defense while traveling to and from campus.

Lainez is a young mother, Friday said, “and she takes seriously her responsibility to protect herself and her child.”

Lainez, who’s 24 and has had a concealed weapons permit for three years, said she takes firearms safety and training pretty seriously, too. A Jacksonville resident with a half-hour one-way commute to school, she said she’s working to get students at other schools interested in gun training, too.

“I think it’s pretty important to be able to protect myself and my son, especially with that long commute to and from school.”

And making that commute armed means storing the gun on UNF property.

UNF regulations prohibit weapons on campus. According to the student handbook printed in 2011 when the case was filed, expressly threatened that violators could be arrested.

“No college or university has the authority” to make such a regulation, Friday said.

Lainez, a member of Florida Carry, sued UNF to change the regulation, but lost at trial to UNF’s argument that it could ban weapons because state law allowed school districts to do so. UNF argued that since it’s a school, it should be considered like a public school district.

In Tuesday’s decision, the 1st District Court of Appeal ruled otherwise.

“From the beginning, the argument was an absurdity in my mind,” Friday said.

But the broader issue, Friday said, involved the powers of local governments – such as counties and cities – to violate gun rights through control ordinances that in effect in one part of the state but not another, putting gun owners at risk of arrest depending on the jurisdiction.

It’s a gun rights battle being fought in other states – where officials in places like libraries and bus companies try to make petty authority grounds for violating constitutional rights.

BizPacReview

It’s simple:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

If Alexandria Lainez was getting into her car after dark and was attacked, how long would it take campus security to arrive?

And if they did arrive, by what legal statutes do they have to act in Lainez’s defense?

There are none.

If the perpetrator of a crime was armed, and campus security chose not to get involved, there would be no one there to save her. This has been upheld by the courts. A police officer, and by extension a private security employee, is not required to get involved if they feel their life is in danger.

Thus, as any responsible individual and parent should do, Ms. Lainez has taken it upon herself to protect her and her child’s life by arming herself.

She is not going to go out and murder a schoolroom full of children, or theater goers, or anyone else. She is intent on defending herself if the situation calls for it.

And according to the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, the law of the land says she has every right to do so.

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  1. gone under says:

    Like a stupid law that the lawmakers are always exempt from, would stop someone from carrying for self defence. Or a criminal with intent.

    • Unreconsructed Southron says:

      Unbelievable. Guess that judge will ‘disappear’ soon.

      • noname says:

        Ban guns on school campuses?
        Not really true in Washington State. There are some exceptions.

        You can carry a gun concealed (on you or in the car) if:
        1) you are holder of concealed pistol license
        2) if you dropping or picking up your child.

        Know the law.

          • Highspeedloafer says:

            My county, here in NC just passed a new law making it ok to carry in parks. Its a small victory but a victory none the less.

            • Hunter says:

              Highspeed-

              If you can, every/anytime you goto a gun-show at Metrolina-fairgrounds (not far off I-77), toss a buck or two into the “GRASSROOTS-NORTH CAROLINA” kitty/booth.

              ..’cuz they’re/we’re the ones who made this “park-carry” possible.

              ———————————

              Ya never know…

              ..maybe I’ll be the one, behind the table to thank you!

            • Genius says:

              Wow what a fooked up country when doing the right thing is considered a victory. Now how about doing the right thing again and abolishing the dept. of education, the fed reserve, the irs, the tsa, the dhs, the list is long..

            • NONYMOUS5 says:

              Its pretty important and thugs prey on parks. There was one creep who was attaching senior people on the app trails too. I think one can carry in national parks. Not sure.

              I also know one girl who was stalked several times while in her 20’s. Its just a fact of life for good looking girls. Sad but true. she found herself running into a building etc to get away from dudes who would trail her of the interstate and down various roads. Without defense, a good looking girl can end up a statistic.

              • mark says:

                My sister was jogging in the park at Delta State University in Cleveland Mississippi where she attended in the early 90’s when a worthless black male, also known in our part of the country as an N Word, followed her at a distance. He talked to her as he followed but she didn’t respond until he informed her he had never “had” a white girl and was going to have her. At this admission she stopped, he stopped, then she walked back to him and stuck him with a 50,000 volt stun gun that I had given her for protection. She said she stood there watching him for a few minutes while he wallowed on the ground like the cockroach he was and then she jogged on off to class.
                I only wish she had been carrying the Glock 19 I had given her so she could have ended his crime spree permanently! I bet that N Word still doesn’t know what that little 5 ft. 2 in. little white girl did to him! LOL

              • mark says:

                It’s not in the bible, those were prophecies from different people down through the centuries.
                Also the Catholic bible is perverted more than the Christian bible. they take out the commandment not to have graven images and split another to make 2 commandments to make up for the graven image commandment that was removed because the Catholics fail at that commandment miserably with all their statues.

            • Basstard says:

              I’m sure Massachusetts will follow soon. I’m at schools all the time at all levels and I can’t carry. That’s where all the shootings are!!!!!! This state is full of MORONS . I’m glad I live in the sticks

              • jr23 says:

                shooting in schools because its a target on the kids back zone there even been a few that asked cops in uniform picking there kids up not to carry. how did we get so many idiots in care of our kids

          • Gunner says:

            The Cocked & Locked Game always
            check mates the Knock-Out Game……

            • Miss DeeDee says:

              Gunner,
              – I’m with you on that one !!!
              Problem is the Knockout Kids know they have the law on their side.
              Up until the time they actually commit the cowardly deed , he or she is just an innocent , unarmed pedestrian going about normal activity. After this low life has knocked you unconscious , he or she is an unarmed , potential witness pedestrian leaving the sceen of an alledged assault in search of safety.
              —– F. upped. Isn’t it.
              — Miss Dee Dee

              • braveheart says:

                Greetings, Miss DeeDee. The ‘knockout kids’ are part of a minority group and minority groups get special treatment under federal law. If an of them try to attack me, there will be consequences for them regardless of what any law says. MOLON LABE braveheart

              • California Girl says:

                The problem is a Knockout Kid attacks without warning so you never see it coming, which is why none of their victoms are able to defend themselves.

        • Hunter says:

          Ahhh….!!!

          Slowly, ever so slowly, the sovereign rights of freeborn men/women returns!

          ..and much to the chagrin of the the ‘enemies’ of GOD, mankind and the Constitution/B.O.R.!!!

          ————————-

          -(cue our resident 1st/SGT…..)-

          ..aim small, miss small..

          ————————-

          ..and practice like hell in the meantime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Only Truth says:

            Just for some perspective on where we are now, some prophesies…

            Our Lady of la Salette, France (1846) – Then, Jesus Christ, by an act of His justice and His great mercy toward the righteous, will command His Angels to put all His enemies to death. At one blow the persecutors of the Church of Jesus Christ and all men given to sin will perish, and the earth will become like a desert. Then, there will be peace.

            Our Lady of Akita, Japan (1973) – The Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment graver than the Deluge, one such as has never been seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity.

            St. Bridget (14th century) – Forty years before the year 2000, the Devil will be let loose for a period to tempt men. When all will seem lost, God Himself will suddenly bring all evil to an end.

            St. Vincent Ferrer (14th century) – A time will come such as no one has seen until then. … It will cause a great chaos, such as never was or ever thought of, except for the one that will take place at the Final Judgment The Church shall shed tears … But that sorrow shall be turned into joy. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords will purify and regenerate everything.

            Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century) – The Omnipotent, then, will intervene with an admirable blow that no one can imagine. For three days the earth will be submersed in a complete darkness. As before in Egypt, the Exterminating Angel will cut down all those who rose up with satanic hatred against the Church.

            St. Gaspar del Burfalo (19th century) – Those who survive the three days of darkness and horror will believe themselves to be alone on the earth, because the ground will be covered with cadavers.

            Fr. Bernard Maria Clausi (19th century) – Things will reach the apex, and when everything seems lost, God will transform all things with a flick of the eye, as from morning to night… A terrible uproar will come, directly against the impious. It will be a completely new and terrible chastisement, such as the world has never seen. This chastisement will be felt throughout the entire world and will be so terrible that the survivors will imagine themselves to be the only ones living. This punishment will be instantaneous, but terrible.

            Venerable Fr. Jacinto Coma (19th century) – Providence has reserved an unexpected means that will do in a single stroke what would have taken a very long time in the normal course of things.

            Sr. Maria des Vallés (17th century) – Because there are three deluges, sent to destroy sin. The first deluge is that of the Eternal Father, which was a deluge of water. The second is the deluge of the Son, which was a deluge of blood. The third is of the Holy Spirit, which will be a deluge of fire. But it will be sad like the others because it will encounter much resistance and a large quantity of green wood that will be difficult to burn. Two have already passed, but the third is pending and, just as the first two were predicted long before they arrived, so also will be the latter. Only God knows the time.

            Venerable Isabel Canori (18th century) – I saw the world in complete revolution; order and justice no longer reigned. The seven capital sins were raised in triumph. From every side injustice, fraud, debauchery and every type of iniquity spread. … All the faithful who preserved in their hear the faith of Jesus Christ … saw themselves … freed from the horrible chastisement … Suddenly a violent and impetuous wind rose that sounded like the roar of a lion and was heard all over the earth. Fear and terror stuck both man and beast. …

            The power of Hell will be used to exterminate those impious and heretical persons who desired to overthrow the Church and destroy her to her very foundations. … But the Lord will despise their artifices and through an effect of His Mighty Hand He will punish these impious blasphemers, permitting the infernal powers to come out from Hell…

            Innumerable Legions of devils will overrun the earth and shall execute the orders of Divine Justice by causing terrible calamities and disaster. They will attack everything and cause injury to families, properties, cities and villages. Nothing on earth shall be spared. God will permit those mendacious ones to be chastised … giving them a rapid and terrible death, because they voluntarily submitted themselves to the infernal power, forming a pact with it against Divine Justice. …

            Then, I saw a dark and fright cave of fire where a multitude of devils were issuing forth under the form of man-beasts. They came to infest the earth, leaving ruin and blood everywhere. … Those evil spirits plundered the places where God was outraged, blasphemed and treated in a sacrilegious way. The profaned places will be pulled down and destroyed, and nothing but ruins will remain of them

            • Indy Colts says:

              What BIBLE are you reading? Are you a LDS member? LOL

              • braveheart says:

                Indy Colts, it sounds like something out of the Catholic Bible. they do have their own version and it’s completely false. braveheart

              • Indy Colts says:

                BH, I’m not sure what to think about Cathlics. They believe some stuff I don’t see in my Bible.

                1. Purgatory
                2. Praying to Angels
                3. Calling ministers father (JESUS says only call GOD your father)

                But I know one thing, LDS and their book of mormom are going to enjoy the lake of fire. How in hell can they think a joseph smith has the authority to write another book which they study instead of the BIBLE. Oh and believing the more wives you have the faster you go to heaven is some wack mind set.

                One day they came to my home with a little boy and said can Johnny read you a scripture? Oh course I said yes. I they didn’t say anything to crazy and I told them at the end I’m not interested in their church, have a good day.

                About a month later I find a book of mormon under my step daughters bed. She is really nice and doesn’t know enough of the Bible to realize they are the devil being as nice as possible. I burned that evil book the same night and explained to her why they are teaching in error.

                FYI: (that damn book would barely burn even soaked in gas)

              • Only Truth says:

                It is not in your Protestant “Bible” because 1,500 years AFTER Jesus Christ MEN ripped out over seven books from the Bible to void the commandments of God and to accommodate the heresies of MEN.

                Protestants did what the Pharisees did. See Mark 7:9.

              • John Q. Public says:

                @ Indy Colts,

                What do you call the man who impregnated your mother?

                Do you call him “father”?

                Like BarnCat you epitomize the foolishness of Protestantism. As if every bonehead is his own little pope. Your exegesis is so foolish that you cannot tell the difference between literal teachings, parables, and allegorical teaching. You didn’t even read the FULL verse:

                “Call none your father upon earth: Neither be ye called masters.”

                From the Douay Rheims, Challoner notes: The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers,/b>, (1 Cor. 4. 15) and for our masters and teachers.

                Perhaps you forgot about the Fourth Commandment: Honor thy FATHER and mother.

                More to follow.

              • John Q. Public says:

                What makes you different from the LDS with your man-made Bible?

                Are you also missing the Book of the Apocalypse from your “Bible”?

                You’ll notice the 24 elders offer prayers of the “holy ones” to God. Apocalypse 5:8

                Just as we ask our friends on earth to pray for us, we ask our friends in Heaven to pray for us.

                It is Catholics who are the real Bible-believers. We didn’t tear out over 7 books from the Bible. We don’t make doctrine out of half-sentences. AND just as the Bible commands us in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, our understanding of difficult passages and doctrines is informed by Apostolic TRADITION—2 millennia of tradition!

              • John Q. Public says:

                Again I refer you to the BIBLE, the Book of the Apocalypse 21:27, that nothing unclean enters Heaven.

                Purgatory is a temporary state of purification for those who have died in a state of grace, but who still have lingering imperfections that warrant cleansing (e.g., venial sins, earthly attachments, self-will).

                Purgatory appears in both the Old Testament AND the New Testament:

                2 Maccabees 12:46
                Leviticus 26:41,43
                2 Samuel 2:14
                Isaias 4:4; 6:5-7; 33:11-13
                Micheas 7:8-9
                Zacharias 9:11

                Matthew 5:25-26, 48; 12:32-36; 18:34ff
                Luke 12:58ff; 16:19-31
                1 Corinthians 3:10-16
                2 Corinthians 5:10; 7:1
                Ephesians 4:8-10
                Philippians 2:10-11
                Hebrews 12:14, 29
                James 3:2
                1 Peter 3:19; 4:6
                Apocalypse 5:3, 13; 21:7

                Instead of talking about your Bible, you should READ IT.

              • SWFL says:

                Just so you know- the L.D.S. Bible is the King James Version.

              • SWFL says:

                How in hell can they think a joseph smith has the authority to write another book which they study instead of the BIBLE.
                .
                .
                The Book of Mormon is studied in addition to the Bible, not instead of it.

                Oh and believing the more wives you have the faster you go to heaven is some wack mind set.
                .
                .
                Where did that come from? It is certainly not a part of L.D.S. doctrine.
                Do you get your information from people who are payed to preach as a business? I prefer those who labor to support their own families themselves and teach the truth as they know it on a voluntary basis, out of love.
                .
                .
                BTW:if I find a religious book that doesn’t want to burn even when soaked in gasoline I might be inclined to investigate what it has to say; you know, just in case God might be trying to tell me something.
                Just saying.

              • Fed Up says:

                @ SWFL
                You appear to be LDS. Research- really research- your own ‘religion’ before you try to defend it. And researching means more than going to your bishop or friends for a circle-jerk of affirmation about your cult of lies.
                Multiple wives- part of the ORIGINAL lds beliefs and practices.
                It won’t be found in your current version though. You have to RESEARCH back to one of the early versions of the book of mor(M)on. Not the first version, mind you. Its version 10 or 11 that it appears. (There are over 120 different CHANGES- not revisions, CHANGES- in only the last 120 years… And more every few years!
                CULT? Yes.

              • mark says:

                My sister was jogging in the park at Delta State University in Cleveland Mississippi where she attended in the early 90’s when a worthless black male, also known in our part of the country as an N Word, followed her at a distance. He talked to her as he followed but she didn’t respond until he informed her he had never “had” a white girl and was going to have her. At this admission she stopped, he stopped, then she walked back to him and stuck him with a 50,000 volt stun gun that I had given her for protection. She said she stood there watching him for a few minutes while he wallowed on the ground like the cockroach he was and then she jogged on off to class.
                I only wish she had been carrying the Glock 19 I had given her so she could have ended his crime spree permanently! I bet that N Word still doesn’t know what that little 5 ft. 2 in. little white girl did to him! LOL

              • freewill says:

                I think she is reading from the new modern version translated to todays terminology, The problem is, there is extensive arguments about the means of some words. When she reads from the KJV and gives a chapter and verse, Then I will pay attention. I will consider no other version.

        • joe america says:

          I just read another article that said there was another shooting in Colorado school yesterday. Here we go again. Freedom takes one step forward and then two backwards.

      • Be informed says:

        I truly enjoy every last victory for the 2nd Amendment as there are so many other terrible violations that are poisoning what seems like everywhwre. Two kids I heard were suspended for get this, pointing their fingers at each other like a gun. Another student was suspended for drawing a gun on a piece of paper, just drawing one of his father’s guns and did not even show it to anyone. I wise ass teacher saw it. Artwork is also banned. I have heard of toy soldiers being brought to school and the student was suspended.

        This is what is so alarming. There are so many of these brain dead anti-gunners out there that hate firearms so much that they don’t want anyone to have any gun. I heard of parents that have severely punished their children for buying those nerf guns, even water guns. This is anti-self defense parasites spreading their disease to way TOO many.

        I was looking at people’s discussions on some articles that I was reading and they were talking about the complete fall of humanity. The shear stupidity of people, but also the evil that is out there. It is perfectly okay to display demons but not items of Christmas in many places this year. Then someone said if you really want to see what people are becoming go the this web site called “dreamin demon”. Naturally I thought, WTF is this about. This site lists all the deviant and evil that humans around the country do each day. Simply wonderful to see just how warped society is becoming. You see this ridiculous animalistic behavior and say to yourself, how can human beings continue without a super mega SHTF event(s). How can this go on much longer?

        • braveheart says:

          BI, good evening, and once again you’re on target [pun intended]. As I’ve stated before, let these anti-selfdefense MORONS get their homes invaded by some gangbangers, their loved ones get raped, etc., etc., etc., and see what kind of song they sing afterwards. Payback and karma have always been bitches and always will be. Let some of those morons come to my place and we’ll see who’s standing after the smoke clears. MOLON LABE braveheart

          • Be informed says:

            @ braveheart. I grew up when there was common sense in the masses at least to make you feel comfortable. People use to prepare and have full pantries. People very seldom thought of guns as evil, they thought as people as being evil that used guns for violence against inncoent people. Now the mere picture of a gun sends some of these idiots to have bowel movement in their pants. These f’ers talk about post trumatic stress because they saw a shooting on TV. Not that they have had someone shoot them or a member of their family or had a criminal draw on them. No they become psychologically f’ed in the head because of TV. Talk about drama queens and drama queers.

            This is absurd. You have these ass whips out talking about healing the city after a couple of imbeciles set off a bomb at the Boston marathon, like the city was nuked or something. Sure the victims and their families went through hell, even the people nearby did. But you have these turds come out talking about how they are healing and they will get through it. You ask where they were in Boston, oh I was at work but heard of it, or out of the city. Over drama apes looking for attention. same thing with the schools that try to nail little kids for nothing. Like the child that was 6 years and got hit with a sexual harassment charge for kssing the hand of a girl. 6 years old?????????? Talk about bizarro blown out of your mind crap.

            Then get this. Some 16 year old goes out and get stone drunk and kills 4 people in his car. The judge in Texas gives the kid 10 year probation because he was so wealthy that he never learned how to behave himself. Too rich to be held accountable for his actions. Someone got some heavy duty pay off money. Shows America that if you have enough cash you can get away with mowing down 4 innocent people in your car.

            I see this sh$%, and I tell you this. It is a miracle that the world is still functioning at all. Stupid people don’t live very long and the majority of people have slithered into this category. Especially those that are so sock in the mind to hate firearms like they do that they don’t even want a picture of a gun around.

            Sometimes I ask God to help me understand how so many humans have become so sh%^ lost mongoloids. Then I get the image of all the poison in pharm dope, over vaccinating, processed foods, GMO foods, chemicals everywhere. I wonder if this is what is causing terminal dumbing of the population.

            • Paranoid says:

              Relax a bit. Lots of good people out there; going to work every day and taking care of yourself just does not make the paper. Also lots of good people have decided that they really do need to take care of themselves because things don’t look good and they have become much harder to see.
              As SGT says: Aim small miss small; well; look small and stay out of view, is another good idea. OPSEC wise, we should not be here, but there has to be a top to an iceberg.
              I for one have nothing to hide. The accountant does my taxes, I just pay what he says; I cannot get fired, And if the NSA wants to destroy my reputation; well most people think I’m nuts anyway, so what’s to lose?

              • Be informed says:

                @ Paranoid. Lots of good people in pro 2nd Amendment states, not so many in whacked out areas where the majority of the population fully support BO and the anti-gunners like they are saviors of the country and humanity. There are good people on the east coast, but much, much smaller per capita in comparison to the good people in free states like Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, maybe Utah, and a few others.

              • RickInOregon says:

                BI here in Oregon as in most blue states, it’s the major metropolitan centers that elect the government. I kinda wish we had a state electoral college based upon acreage and not population. Our state government would then be forced to serve the whole state and not the cities that breath in the highest percentage of car exhaust. It is car exhaust that leads to the brain damage that causes bad people to be elected. The original chem trail comes from gasoline additives, it’s my conspiracy theory and I’m sticking to it. Obliged dorky smile for those that don’t understand a smart ass 🙂

              • Be informed says:

                @ RickInOregon. Don’t get me wrong, there are good people in new york, california, rhode island, maryland, oregon, washington, etc. There is just a higher percentage of anti-gunners/anti-self defense advocates in those states. Someone whom is against self defense of the innocent, against use of weapons against criminal filth, and puts the rights of a lunatic above that of someone that has done nothing but try to live their life is absolutely not a good person. In fact their value is less than what is flushed each day in the billions of toilets around the world.

                I become so upset over this because I can visualize so many people that leave their homes in fear of getting attacked because they are not allowed to even carry a non lethal device. I can see this little old lady zapping a monster with a TASER and going to jail because she was not allowed to possess it while the maniac goes free and even has a possible law suit because of unnecessary force. These maggots that support these laws are not worth even bacteria in fecal material. Their evil and support of evil is profoundly beyond the word of sanity. These total scum exist and those that support this wickedness is like fungus growing on rotten food. I just can’t believe that such trash actually can justify the taking away of helpless people’s self defense against criminal rot.

                This country is getting there in some states like england where you get to spray your attacker with a marking liquid after they murder you so the cops can possibly find the killer and arrest them. You are not allowed to use pepper spray, as this is regarded as a firearm. A spice used on food is regarded as a firearm. I so much pity and feel sorry for the english people that do value freedom that they have to live in a countrywide concentration camp like this. That is why violent crime is 4 times higher over there than in the U.S.

                Paranoid is right, I need to calm down. It just grinds my gears to see such total Gulags are around that if you use pepper spray on a vicous dog that you could spend 2 years or more in prison. Over in the U.S. many states ban stun devices and a few like places like the a$$hole of the U.S. known as new york city make it difficult for people to buy and own pepper spray in any useful concentration. This trend of disarming all the previously free countries, the west, is very disturbing and why no one should ever compromise one millimeter the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is a gem that not only allows people firearms, but it allows them to protect themselves with firearms and other means such as stun devices against all those that would do them harm.

            • braveheart says:

              BI, Ithink you just answered your own question about what happened to those people. And the judge in that murder case you mentioned, it would be interesting to see how much his bank account grew. Like you, I’m surprised we haven’t had MEGA-SHTF yet. Whenever it finally hits, it will be a humdinger. braveheart

            • JayJay says:

              Gene’s associate(not a friend) was just arrested for DUI…for the 8th time here in Kentucky!!!
              The judge suspended his license last time INDEFINITELY!! and he is now in jail again.
              There is no shame–if this guy gets out and kills??
              Who cares??
              Obviously, not the judges here.

            • California Girl says:

              @BI

              I don’t know. My sister and her husband are extreme left-winger anti-gun types who don’t use oral contraception or any other type of hormone and only eat organic produce including dairy and protein to avoid the antibiotics and hormones in them. They are health nuts who don’t eat processed foods, they only drink purified water, and they work out regularly. They are brain washed and can’t imagine that in this day and age our society could come unglued. They won’t even consider that a mass shooting spree could be a false flag, so to them it’s just crazy people who have access to guns.

              • Miss DeeDee says:

                Hello California Girl,
                Don’t get frustrated or critical of your Sister and Brother-in-law about their diet and health routine. There is probably some justification in the decision. My brother and his wife are ardent anti-gun activist. We have learned to keep that subject off the table. They are contiplating moving from New England to Chicago. Just the place for an elderly couple with no personal self protection. I fear for their saftey. I fear for their children loosing their Mom and Dad. As for your statement about mass shootings, have you noticed since Joe Biden mentioned that little old ladies should have a shotgun with 2 bullets in it that there have been a couple of high publicity killings with shotguns? One being the shooting at the Navy plant and another today in a school I think it was. Yes they are setting up their next move for after the assault weapon restrictions.
                Keep the faith and love your family regardless how dumb you may think they are.
                — Love
                — Miss Dee Dee

            • Trent says:

              Be Informed- Violent video games are for sure de sensitizing Kids to do violence. I might be about your age too. Grew up with guns in a lot of my friends houses. their dads hunted or whatever. One in a blue moon we would sneak a 45 out to the woods and each fire one or two shots. NEVER in the world we we have ever even THOUGHT about Taking out a school, or teachers, or any human being. And we didnt play violent games. We were out in the woods on our mini bikes, or tryin to get the girls our age to let us play with their tits or something. Oh…and if they said no, no one went any further ya know?
              We had FUN. If someone go tin a fight, wen one guy “gave”….it was over. He didnt get kicked in the face until he was in intensive care.
              I dont know the answers.

            • Heatblizzard says:

              Not that I believe in a physical God but when I pray for an answer after being angry at him then I suddenly start thinking of those things too when I want to understand how so many people have gone down the crapper.

              Also after crying out one thing came to me is since the NSA can monitor you’re purchases you should get a modern game system with a first person shooter game or whatever fits the Anti Christ agenda at the appropriate time just to make the *Beast* happy. You don’t have to use it.

              You don’t actually have to play the game one bit just as long as it’s in you’re purchase record and then when you have illegal bible studies after they outlaw the bible you’re house is less likely to be a target. Then you can continue to *get away* with preaching what the gospel says.

              I am more of a deist as was our founding fathers where I believe God works more in the background and it’s up to us to act.

              God helps those who try to *trick* the devil as this is one war where physical weapons cannot win.

          • Miss DeeDee says:

            Braveheart,
            – I’m happy to see you are feeling well again.
            — Miss Dee Dee

          • Warchild says:

            Brave,let the actual idiots get victimized perhaps but not their family.Tis not a childs fault the parents are stupid!

        • Canadian Vet says:

          I’m afraid this decision will not be able to stop the college from getting rid of armed students if they really want to.

          These types, they think they are untouchable and a law unto themselves and whatever end-result they desire, they’ll achieve by whatever means they can. So if they want to get rid of these armed students, they just can’t do it on the sole basis of having a gun on campus butthere are other ways they can use.

          Say, trumped-up accusations of cheating, grades manipulated so the student will fail their classes and find themselves not allowed to enrol again, tuition cheques mysteriously vanishing, finding themselves termed “disruptive” in their classes and as such ejected from them, staff and/or brown-nosing students filing reports of being “threatened” by the armed people on campus, or even accusations of “brandishing” after someone claims to have glimpsed the gun from under its cover garment, or just simply people whining because they just don’t want guns around them.

          And this is just a short list of things I could think of off the cuff. And if I can think of these while curled up with my son as he is falling asleep then there are UNF staff members and administrators who have devoted or will devote a lot of company time towards reaching some of these ideas or coming up with new ones of their own.

          I have no illusions. I may be very smart but these eggheads make a living off of conjuring ideas and making them jive within their “professional culture” and I might well be miles behind them with my theory.

          • Gregory8 says:

            Canadian Vet: Excellent point. The best thing folks can do is ‘fly under the radar’ by not bringing up the issue in the first place. The article doesn’t say how the school found out about her weapon, and since campus cops rarely do full vehicle searches because that requires probable cause during a felony stop, she’s likely the one who told the school. Since the school got a ‘black-eye’ on this issue, you’re probably right about them going after her for some made-up crap. According to the article it appears that she had been leaving the gun in her car. Now she’s going to have to carry it to class or risk having it stolen when it’s unattended. She’s done all the right things: she’s gotten a permit and received training, the only thing is she’s failed is OPSEC. Never let your potential foes know what you have.

            • JayJay says:

              Hard to practice OPSEC when trying to convert and train other campus residents??
              I think I read that in the article.

              • Smokey says:

                True, but if she’s being searched and getting other retaliatory behavior at her college, she needs to sue the school for millions. See how the libs like it when their endowment loses a bunch of bucks and some tenured types are out the door.

        • slingshot says:

          BI

          So where lies our Redemption? Everyday there is a new Law to control our lives. Whether it be the size of a soft drink or mandatory vaccinations. Invisible chains that even the Stupid will eventually feel. It is only then will they turn on themselves and eat themselves alive because they will not have the means to fight back.
          Many moons ago, I said the State will dictate what job our children will perform in life. Today many with degrees flip burgers as the good jobs were sent overseas. Indirectly that is happening now. No more than a forced lifestyle of debt and misery. Unable to use their potential in life. To become independent, productive members of society. Their choice is to live with the parents, go on government assistance or face the harsh streets. Far from the American Dream.
          Those that clamor for gun control, Obamacare and other governmental intrusion will find they are slaves and have destroyed the very ones that kept them Free.

        • Ga Doc says:

          Story on FoxNews today about a school threatening to expel a student for “shooting” a imaginary bow and arrow at another student who “shot” at him with an imaginary rifle.
          The parents have threatened to sue the school if they don’t allow the student to continue and to have his school record cleared of this “infraction”.
          Ridiculous lack of any common sense by bureaucratic idiots.

        • Professor Higgins says:

          braveheart: Your ignorance really knows no bounds. You have exposed yourself as not just the idiot of whatever sad little village you’re from, but perhaps this entire nation of illiterates when it comes to biblical knowledge. In brief: the Catholic Bible (vs) the King James; the Catholic (St. Joseph’s) version has 46 books in the Old Testament rather than the 39 of the James version. 39 of the 46 are the same in both bibles. As for the New Testament, they both have the same books 27 (vs) 27. Therefore you’re claim that they are completely different has just been destroyed.

        • Luddite says:

          I had a friend who brought a gun to school once: it was a Nazi Lugar his pawpaw had brought home from the war. We passed it around in History and the principal even came in to see it because it was a rare treat. This was in the 80s so times have certainly changed since then!

      • eppe says:

        gun control is being able to hit your target…

      • Patriot One says:

        I live here and with 79% of respondents to the poll saying yes to guns on campus I think the judge is safe. I think a lot of Americans would respond the same way, but the media won’t do the poll say in NYC, LA, San Francesco or Chicago!

        To me the Second Amendment is not only your right to keep and bare arms, but it’s also your carry permit too. If a business, school district, city, state violates my natural right, civil right I think we should start seuing for violation of our rights. We have been to willing to let almost anyone trample on our rights. I say no more!

      • Shootit says:

        Plain crash where is the only one that dies.

    • durango kidd says:

      I am a strong advocate for the Second Amendment. Private property owners, including private schools and colleges, private businesses, restaurants, public companies, etc should have the right to ban guns from their private property.

      On the other hand, public schools, civic property like libraries and parks, or buses and other forms of public transportation should not have the right to exclude firearms, as these assets belong to the people and it is the people’s right to keep and bear arms.

      Engage your employee’s or be disarmed by them one rule, regulation, law, or euphemism at a time. 🙂

      • Paranoid says:

        Locked in your car, is not their private property. If a public parking lot is private property, how can the Gov require handicap spaces? Can WalMart say I cannot bring groceries I bought at IGA into their lot? Can someone say: No Bibles allowed in your car on school grounds? Purple seat covers and and orange cars, not allowed? No Possible way a parking spot can be in interstate commerce, unless it’s on a car carrying truck. I’m willing to go either way on the issue, but I’m very tired of finding that the people who want to control. The bill of rights says I have these rights and they are not from the Gov or anyone else: They are mine.

        • durango kidd says:

          Paranoid: Locked in your car your gun is your private property, as is your car; however if the parking lot is private property the owner of the property is giving you permission; allowing you access to use their property and therefore, has the right to determine the type and kind of behavior upon their property. IE; “no shirt, no shoes, no service”.

          With respect to the requirement to provide handicap spaces in a private business parking lot, understand that the property owner is required to obtain a license from government to conduct their business; thus government can regulate the terms and conditions under which you may conduct your business, thus handicapped spaces, as your license is conditional.

          I hope that clarifies my perspective. 🙂

          • Gregory8 says:

            DK: While what you say about this is technically true, a driver of a vehicle is under no obligation to tell the campus police what’s in their car. Here in Florida campus police are sworn law enforcement and are required to follow the rules of search and that requires probable cause based on a lawful stop that develops into a felony stop or permission from the driver. Without either one, anything found will be dismissed as being illegally obtained. Yes, that still happens here even in Florida, cops get cases thrown out based on illegal searches. The story isn’t clear, but it seems that the young lady brought the issue up on her own, rather than being found out by the police. If so, that’s a really dumb move-never tell folks what you have-ever.

          • JayJay says:

            Well, the way I see this is my car in your parking lot is subject to your restrictions, but what is IN my car is not??
            Analogy: I must wear proper outer wear in public; what isn’t underneath is my business.

            • durango kidd says:

              Jayjay: Your private property rights do not supersede mine when you are on my property. When you are on my property, with my permission, you have access as a conditional license based upon my rules of use (parking).

              If I post a sign denying gun possession on MY property, and you do not conform to my rules of acceptable use, you are trespassing, and local trespass laws apply. 🙂

          • Smokey says:

            DK, all the handicapped spaces require is that a disabled person may use them, they do not allow the business to refuse to allow disabled persons to shop there because he doesn’t like wheelchairs.

            Once the business has complied with the terms of their business permit or license, i.e., providing a few marked spaces near the door for the handicapped to park it, they are free to engage in their lawful private pursuits.

            Same thing with a pistol permit. Once I have complied with the requirements to obtain the permit, I am free to engage in all lawful activities while carrying. As long as it is not prohibited by law, I can enter any business at will.

            • Nopittypartyhere says:

              In many states, the carry statutes state that if any business or entity posts a sign prohibiting firearms, they are backed by the carry law. Ever since they passed the open carry law here in MS, I’ve noticed many prohibition signs in establishments since my last visit in July.

      • RickInOregon says:

        DK, I red thumbed you because I believe that there’s a difference between private property and private commercial property where people visit or do business. I’m not a gun person as I’ve stated many times. I gave up guns due to a shoulder injury, I had to give up duck, goose and big game rifle hunting because of it. I did not give up on the second amendment. The second is for all of us and for where we chose to gather, whether it’s a mall, a coffee shop, a tavern, a school, anywhere where we can share a conversation that the government doest like. The first and second is a way for us common citizens to stick a finger in the eye of the government that the government and their lackeys don’t care for. The first and second are meant to be confrontational to controlling powers in order to control the powers so we may have freedom.

        Private ownership of commercial property doesn’t give you the right to deny the first and second to any that gather at your establishment. Our founding fathers gathered at taverns to discuss grievances they had with the crown, do you think for one second they would support the suppression of the first amendment because of private ownership of a commercial establishment.

        I hold a mortgage with a nongovernmental bank, in essence the bank still owns my home until I have the deed. Should that private commercial enterprise be able to deny me any constitutional rights?

        • Facebook Page says:

          Yes that bank made condition in their note and deed you must follow. And strangely one is insurance which then can dictate how and what you do to have the ins to satisfy the bank. Remember now ins dictate the kind of dog you have to if you can have a busniss to the type of paint you can use.

        • jerrytbg says:

          Rick,

          “The first and second are meant to be confrontational to controlling powers in order to control the powers so we may have freedom.”

          And if I may add, every Article in the Bill of Rights must be defended with equal ferocity…We must stop this madness.

        • durango kidd says:

          RIO: There is private property and there is public property. Private commercial property is the same, has the same bundle of rights, as private residential property.

          Sorry Rick, you are wrong. Think again. 🙂

          • SWFL says:

            I think there must be a difference between private (commercial or not)property open to the public and private property not open to the public. When you are open to the public you have made a statement that public rules obtain. Otherwise you have situations where businesses can make rules for their property like “_______(fill in the blank) are not allowed to patronize these premises.” The example of “No shirt, no shoes, no service” is defended as a public health and safety issue, thus an overriding public interest.
            It is also worth noting that the rules change when the property is closed; then the owner can exclude anyone he wants while admitting others, i.e. allowing the building to be used for private meetings.

      • Patriot One says:

        Durango

        We usually see eye to eye and I would agree on private property with no public access, however I don’t agree that anyone with a business that is open to the public can pick and choose.

        Would you agree the second amendment is a civil right?? If so why should a business or public place be allowed to discriminate against me for exercising my right to be there and defend myself. To me it would be the same as saying your Black, Italian, or Chinese so you can’t come in my business.

        We need to me more like the activist liberals. If someone, some business like starbucks violates my civil rights to legally bare arms in a public place, sue! The same is true of cities, colleges, counties, school districts, states. The liberals have set precedents in almost every court in the land, lets use it against them to restore our rights..

        Its not just the second amendment lets go to gay businesses and request Christian cakes then sue when they won’t make it because they’re agnostic, atheist or secular. Order your cake with Leviticus 18:22 or Deuteronomy 7:25-26.

        Like I said we need to take the gloves off and start scrapping with those that would take our rights.

        • durango kidd says:

          PO: No, Gun Ownership is NOT a civil right. It is a Constitutional Right. A civil right is a right bestowed by government, which can be changed, modified or otherwise altered. IE parking on one side of the street but not the other.

          Constitutional Rights cannot legally be modified, changed, or altered. That is why all attempts to control guns by legislation or administrative action is unconstitutional.

          Engage. 🙂

          • Patriot One says:

            Durango that’s correct, but when your Constitutional rights are violated you don’t bring a Constitutional law suit, you file a federal civil rights suit. I’m no attorney so I could be wrong. My reading is that your civil right are guaranteed by the Constitution, not government. Also if I’m correct we use the word civil to distinguish as not criminal. Let’s not get caught up in semantics. The point is we need to start using the courts to protect our rights and take to task those that would violate our rights. Where do you think the liberal lawyers get all their money to push the agendas. They win law suits and set precedent.

      • Smokey says:

        So I can’t carry my permitted revolver into a store, bank, or restaurant that is just as likely to be shot up as any public school or bus?

        Is it OK if I carry on the bus, but not into the café when I get off the bus?

        Even my local church has members who carry during the services. They are well aware of the probability of having to use their firearms one day.

        You want to ban guns on your private property, go ahead. But first, you assume full liability for any and all injuries or wrongful deaths that occur to your guests. And don’t tell me your insurance will cover it.

        • durango kidd says:

          Smokey: By all means carry on the bus, because that space belongs to the people, as that transportation is contracted for by the people: however be advised that the terms and conditions of the contract between the city and the bus company would apply.

          While I believe that Americans have a right to “keep and bear arms” in public buildings, and all public spaces, or should have, local governments do pass laws against it.

          One could challenge that law like the fool in DC holding a shotgun with the capital building in the background, but its pretty much a mute point in DC which is a Federal Space.

          If a store, bank, cafe or restaurant posts a sign that says you may not carry (either concealed or openly), a weapon on their premises and you do, then you have violated their conditional license to you to access and use their property and you would be guilty of trespass.

          Insurance may be precisely why a (commercial) private property owner would require no guns upon their property. Your right to carry does not supersede someone else’s private property rights to deny your use of their property except under their special conditions.

          If those special conditions are posted, then you must comply or be in non-compliance with the terms of use and accept the judicial punishment (trespass) appropriate for the violation if caught.

          The right of your fist ends where my nose begins. 🙂

          With respect to your Church and members carrying weapons in Church, I highly recommend it given the number of crazies and fanatics running loose and in evidence here at SHTF. LOL However your Church is private property. It is not public property and the rules of the church with respect to carry or not carry would apply.

          If no rules are posted against gun possession in church, a store, a restaurant, or cafe, then you may carry as you wish without violating the private property rights of the property owner(s).

          So while technically you may be in violation of a private property owner, your conscience must be your guide as you measure the right of the private property owner and your concern for your personal safety.

          When in doubt, pack some heat. 🙂

    • Prepper Dude says:

      Man, when was the last time you heard of a moral victory? It is so foreign to me that I am shocked right now.

      I guess this is a good thing.

    • Anonymous says:

      Years ago, a burglar broke into my daughter’s apartment real late at night. Thankfully, she was up studying, saw him climbing through the window, and so she was able to escape in time, rushing out the front door. She called the cops but they didn’t arrive until HOURS LATER. When they finally arrived, they said they had other more dire crimes to deal with. (?!)

      Anyhow, the point is, to count on police to come to your aid is folly! The idea that we should have no means to defend ourselves and our loved ones is utterly ridiculous!

      • Anonymous says:

        Now they keep showing news of another school shooting– is it for real or not, I don’t know. However, why in the world would they not have a security guard by the front door and a metal detector? Ridiculous!

        • Anonymous says:

          ANOTHER THING– years ago, I noticed this guy at the hardware store was wearing a gun and I asked him about it. He said that every employee at the hardware store all wear guns. He said that all the stores in that area have been robbed one or more times— EXCEPT HIS STORE. He said they have never been robbed. Wonder why? Duh!

  2. smokey says:

    The car is an extension of your home and the firearm is concealed in accordance with the state law governing permits to carry. You can lock up your pistol in your car while at wofk, too, even if your employer has a no-firearms policy. As long az it stays there, no issues arise.

    In most states, anyway.

  3. waterislife says:

    my employer asks us to be armed when alone on weekends at our job.

    It’s a great place to work. I feel very safe there.

    • Smokey says:

      Hope you’re getting paid enough to take that risk.

      If it’s that dangerous, your employer needs to hire armed security during your shift.

    • Miss DeeDee says:

      Waterislife,
      — I am so happy that you work at a great place and feel safe there. Your employer is a very smart and moral person knowing that if he or she can not guarantee in writing the same safety that the constitution affords you to self protection then he or she does not have the authority to deny you that right. — Smart – Very Smart Employer.
      — Miss Dee Dee

  4. Ugly says:

    Folks.

    Don’t think of defense as gun-types only. I have 5 rocks in back of truck–yes, the King David method. Trust me, if I sense troubles, rocks will be their troubles.

    For defense, have more than one method–have many….

  5. thisTexan has had enough says:

    Which is better, ugly? Smooth river rocks or jagged ones? I am going to fill up the door pockets on my car with rocks tomorrow.

    • We even used bricks, like Ignatz the cat cartoon. But it harder than you think, with the timing and deer movement.

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        I really think they should have a special season for rock hunting deer and since I trophy hunt I think they should require 4X4 or better so we don’t decimate the herd. It just don’t seem fair to have to compete with Archery and Gun hunters though since we usually have to be within a few yards to get a killing throw. Of course as usual, you would have people cheating and trying to use slings or slingshots. The season in Wyoming would have to be early in the fall or the rocks would all be frozen to the ground, unless you were a prepper and stocked up on your rocks earlier. Trekker Out.

    • Pissed Off Granny says:

      Hi, This Texan has had enough:

      Been waiting cause I have a gift for you:

      Due to the popularity of the Survivor shows, Texas is planning to do a series titled “Survivors Texas Style”. The contestants will all start in Dallas, then drive to Waco, Austin, San Antonio, over to Houston and down to Brownsville. Then they will proceed to Del Rio, El Paso, Midland, Odessa, Lubbock and Amarillo. From there they will go on to Abilene, Fort Worth and back to Dallas.

      Each will be driving a pink Volvo with bumper stickers that read:

      I’m Gay, Boycott Beef, I Voted for Obama, George Strait Sucks, Hillary in 2015, and I Am Here to Confiscate Your Guns.

      THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE IT BACK TO DALLAS ALIVE WINS!

      • Paranoid says:

        Add: “Stop all Hunting” & “Bring back Prohibition” No point in covering the end zone, pay for every mile they make it.

      • thisTexan has had enough says:

        LOL POG! I din’t usually watch reality shows, but that one sounds entertaining! Definite quagmire for the contestants in my part of Texas!
        Thanks to you all for the rock info.I always carry, but unlike in the movies, I will not throw my gun at the bad guys when I am out of bullets. Billard balls are a good possibility, too!

      • thisTexan has had enough says:

        LOL POG! I din’t usually watch reality shows, but that one sounds entertaining! Definite quagmire for the contestants in my part of Texas!
        Thanks to you all for the rock info.I always carry, but unlike in the movies, I will not throw my gun at the bad guys when I am out of bullets. Billard balls are a good possibility, too!

      • California Girl says:

        @Pisses Off Granny

        Ok, that was hilarious! Did you make that up? If so, very clever.

    • Ugly says:

      Texan and others.

      I’d say about baseball sized and round. Remember, if you are in a conflict with an aggressor, it’ll be within about 10-40 feet, or less. All you are trying to do is keep that person(s) at bay so that you can get away.

  6. Paranoid says:

    At least a small victory.

  7. braveheart says:

    I knew there were still SOME judges with some honesty, integrity, and common sense out there somewhere and this is obviously one of them. We need more judges like this one to stand up for self-defense. I know I’ve said the following numerous times before, but it bears repeating. the state and federal supreme courts have ruled numerous times that law enforcement has no duty to protect any citizens, period. When we, as individuals, get into situations where we are confronted by anyone with bad intentions toward us, WE ARE ON OUR OWN AND WILL HAVE TO HANDLE THE SITUATION BY OURSELVES. I don’t follow ANY laws restricting self-defense, period! I carry certain nonlethal self-defense items in my truck with me everywhere I go, dating back to the Clinton era. I don’t se any legitimate basis to any restrictions on self-defense, so I disregard them in order to stay alive. All of the ‘old timers’ here know my feelings on this subject and I don’t apologize to anyone for my position. Come to my home with bad intentions toward me and see what happens to your stupid ass. MOLON LABE braveheart

    • gone under says:

      There is a judge in Ca that ordered the large Veterans Cross in Southern Cal to be removed within 90 Days.

    • buttcrackofdoom says:

      like my neighbor called me at 1am a few days ago with someone tapping on her window. took me a minute or so to get pants on and out the door with the 870. waited until outside to rack one into the chamber, just for effect. stepped inside to grab the nightvision, as i stepped back outside i see tail-lites going down the street…gone. WE are the first responders, not the cops! so then she calls the cops as i get in my car to go look around and says her husband is outside….the 911 operator freaks….WHAT’S HE DOING OUTSIDE! she don’t know what to say so she hangs up on her. so then she’s telling me about her conversation and i say “why didn’t you tell her when seconds count, a cop is only minutes away”. anyways….we got this, we don’t need the cops. “NEVER TALK TO A COP” google it and you might be surprised, peeps.

    • Canadian Vet says:

      At least consider yourself lucky you are allowed to carry ANYTHING for self-defence against another human being.

      Up here, if I tell a cop my pocket knife is my defensive carry, I can be arrested and charged on a number of weapons charges; if I have pepper spray, it better be labelled as bear or dog spray as the “real” stuff isn’t allowed for the little people. Teasers and stun guns? Not allowed either. The closest thing would be a cattle prod but unless I work in that industry then it isn’t considered a legitimate tool for me. As for a gun, the only self-defence carry that is remotely available for most Restricted license holders is the Wilderness Carry if you have the licenses to be a trapper, bush pilot and/or prospector and you PROVE carrying a long-gun would be too impractical. And even then, it has to be open-carry while you are in the bush and in most provinces it has to be a revolver.

      Concealed-carry? Only if you can get your local senior police official to sign off that police protection is insufficient to keep you and your family safe, along with 3 examples of such cases. That is unless you have someone in the right position hand-carrying your application all the way up. And even then it is only good for 6 months and THEY dictate whether or not the gun you want to pack is appropriate and/or if you can carry spare mags.

      And you know what’s even worse? Back in 96, if memory serves, we had a Supreme Court ruling stating that the police are there to uphold the laws and maintain public order, not to ensure the safety and security of the people. So really, unless you are a politician with a security detail, police protection is ALWAYS insufficient for EVERYONE. But that falls on deaf ears with our Liberal-appointed staff at the various Chief Firearm Officer jurisdictions and our police departments.

      • braveheart says:

        Canadian Vet, our own federal and stat supreme courts have ruled on the same subject numerous times and in the same manner. We citizens are definitely the FIRST responders, not law enforcement. MOLON LABE braveheart

      • JayJay says:

        Judge asked the lady why she shot the man trying to rape her 6 times.
        Cause, she said, when I pulled the trigger the 7th time, it went ‘click’.

        Case closed.

      • Shootit says:

        We are blessed to live where we live.

        Ran into my neighbor the Deputy Sheriff at the corner store and we were discussing a current social situation, deer season. The conversation progressed to guns for deer, guns to carry, to self defense. We ended up in the parking lot where he saw my handgun that rides shotgun right next to my deer rifle. He asked if I had a cc permit(Open Carry is Legal in my State). The Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about needing a ccp. He looked at me and said you are right. I am sure this would have turned out badly in Canada. So what is your point you ask? Location, Location, Location.

        • Mountain Trekker says:

          Shootit, you’ve got that right, location, location, location, I open carry and have been around atleast 4 Sheriff Deputies a State Patrol and numerous Game and Fish personal, I go to all public G&F meetings, and have never once been questioned about why I open carry. And one of the Deputies is more anti big government than I am. I ask him one time how the Sheriff was concerning these issues, and his only answer was, He’s a Politican. So if the Schumer Hits The Fan I won’t be running to Canada, I Love my Freedom to much, so guess I’ll just have to stand and fight. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

        • Canadian Vet says:

          Over here, you would have been criminally charged, most-likely convicted and ALL your guns would likely be seized and destroyed without you having a chance to dispose of them either by transferring those not involved in the incident to someone you know who holds the right licenses or selling them to fund your defence.

          When in transport, over here non-restricted long-guns must be out of sight and have a trigger or cable lock (or disabled by removing a key component that is kept separate) and/or be in a locked case; restricted firearms, like your handgun, must be trigger/cable locked in a locked opaque container which is itself out of sight.

          And if any of your guns are loaded, it is another criminal offence.

          Not to mention, if the cop is really vindictive, charges of disturbing the peace and criminal mischief.

          And with our civil forfeiture laws, a particularly vindictive prosecutor could move to have your house and all your vehicles seized or frozen as they could be “connected to the offences for which you are charged” and you would be unable to liquidate them, again, to fund your defence. In the end, you would be made an example of to all other law-abiding gun owners while some gangbanger in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver who gets caught with a gun gets to plead away the gun charges with their more hefty sentences in exchange for a guilty plea for something that carries more lenient consequences.

          Welcome to Canada.

      • ready down under says:

        Pretty much the same Canadian Vet. Nowhere in Australia is self defense a suitable reason to possess any gun.

        Aussie

        • Canadian Vet says:

          I knew your gun laws were even more stupid than ours. If memory serves, you aren’t allowed semi-automatic long-guns or pump-action guns unless you are a “professional”, whatever that means and you have an upper limit on handgun calibers, right?

          And on top of that I believe you have a similar scheme for licenses, registration (although we don’t have to register most of our long-guns anymore), requirement for transport permits for handguns and storage requirements, am I right?

          If anything, I believe the only requirement for owning firearms should be passing a basic safety course to cover safe handling and storage and only convicted criminals who have fully served their sentence and/or completed their paroles and/or probation should be the ones jumping through a hundred hoops.

          As for defensive carry, I think it should be based on passing a course covering legalities, situational awareness, gun retention and shooting skills, with a minimum proficiency required to be able to carry and regular re-testing of shooting skills every, say, 5 years or so. No “demonstrating” you and yours are in danger or getting your police chief to sign off on it or any such BS.

  8. Iowa says:

    Law or no law, do you feel lucky?

    – Land of John Wayne

  9. Mountain Trekker says:

    The right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringe. Oh yeah! Well you can’t wear a gun into a Post Office, a Bar a Church a Court House, City Hall,a Bank or 1000 feet from a school, and probably some oher places I failed to think of, but this is only in the Conservative States. Now if your unlucky enough to live in one of those Liberal States you don’t have so much Freedm. Trekker Out. Si vis pacem, para bellum!

    • Iowa says:

      We need an open carry day.

    • Be informed says:

      @ Mountain Trekker. IF that waste of a piece of crap piers moran had his way you would not even be able to keep and bare arms in your very own home. They tried this in Chicago and Washington DC and thankfully it failed. Places like new york are like going to some foreign country in your own country. Like some freaking enclave, where firearms, non lethal stun devices, pepper spray, knives, or any other self defense item is regarded as evil. That some elderly person that has such self defense could be the one charged for defending themselves against a maniac attacker. The anti-self defense slime walkers are the ones that need to be fitted for straight jackets or shipped off to Goon island.

      • buttcrackofdoom says:

        http://video.foxnews.com/v/2927020828001/states-cracking-down-boys-rite-of-passage/ can’t even have an unregistered BB GUN in new jersey(and other states) anymore….what in the HELL is ….aww, hell, never mind………………

        • Be informed says:

          @ Buttcrackofdoom. Sligshots, bows, what else is that new europe state of NJ going to ban. Then the best chance for hilary not being elected in 2016 if BO has not declared martial law and declared himself fuhrer is the same governor fat so that allows these anti-self defense laws to become entrenched. Fat so could at least protest the state’s suffocating laws, IF he is overridden by too many anti-gunners, in regards to air guns and other means of projecting an object. Fat so, go along with the anti-gunners, is the best hope for a new and improved government post BO. People wonder why so many are doom and gloom.

    • possee says:

      trekker

      Try living in massachusetts

      as of latest stats..only 4% of population has a (LTC)license to carry concealed large capacity..

      all glocks (excepting pre ban) are illegal to sell here

      no threaded barrels

      10 round magazine limit

      all in the state where “the shot heard round the world” was fired

      go figure

      possee

      • Warchild says:

        Posse,move to N.H.I grew up in Mass.,love the city of Boston/the cape ect. but hate the laws and taxes and overpriced homes.Many have made the move,join us!

      • JayJay says:

        KRS 527.020(8) states in part that:
        No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit A PERSON from keeping a loaded or unloaded firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction.

        Notice it didn’t read Qualified License Holder –it reads ‘a person’.

        In Kentucky, all retards from liberal, sheeple states need not apply.

      • Mountain Trekker says:

        possee, this is something that baffels me, the people of the New England states were the one’s to say NO to the King and back it up with force, and now they’re the first to Bow to the King. But I guess few large cities or metropolitan areas regardless of location are Conservative, or stay that way for long. Just like sheep, when danger approaches they all huddle together and expect someone else to protect them. And like most Liberals if they don’t like it, they don’t want anyone else to like it. Trekker Out. Born Free, Die Free!

        • Warchild says:

          Trek,NH still cool and Vt. has no real gun laws/licenses,you want one,have the money,buy.Tis a bit weird as Vt. in many ways a socialist state but they at moment still very cool about firearms,Me. unfortunetly has gone down hill,too many in the cities controlling the wilds of Me.!

  10. Jim in Va. says:

    If the gun is locked in the vehicle then it is not being used. Nothing will happen until someone picks it up. everyone has the right to defend themselves…at least to and from the school. Who else is going to do it for you?

  11. Socrates says:

    The state I’m currently in has open carry, ‘Make my day’ and castle doctrine laws. This did not stop the cops from arresting an individual in a park with his sidearm openly displayed in its holster. Now that individual is getting a settlement from the city for violation of his 2nd amendment and state rights. About F&^%?! time.

    As far as the individual carrying to and from school, (or other place)I’m not so sure that I agree with leaving your weapon ‘locked up’ in your vehicle. When I was permitted, I was trained that your weapon was to be under your ‘physical control’ at all times, no exceptions- except when checked in.

    If you leave your weapon in a strong box (or glove box) or strong box in the trunk and LEAVE that vehicle…that weapon is no longer under ‘your control’. Any thug could easily break into the vehicle, steal it or even just take the whole vehicle. So I politely disagree with the reasoning of leaving your weapon unguarded, anywhere.

    Also, when you carry stage 3 (cocked, locked and ready to rock) you are always aware of where you and your weapon are. There are in fact, exclusion zones that you cannot carry your weapon into: Hospitals, Nuclear Power plants, schools and quite a few others. Unless you are a U.S. Marshall, you are off limits from certain places.

    Sgt. Dale can correct me if I’m wrong on this, but I highly doubt it.

  12. ender wiggins says:

    Just shoot the anti gunners eventually they will shut up.

  13. Buzzfix says:

    Well, the kids can now safely receive their education that they or we have so dearly paid for. Hopefully Florida sets a new trend that shouldn’t have ever been an issue! Guns Are Good 😉 Can’t have enough of them.

  14. possee says:

    One small local victory for us..

    Nationwide..that’s another story..

    There will be ,for certain, more “incidents” to incite the rabid anti 2nd crowd…they will never give up til all “legal” guns are given up….!

    or banned by Executive Order..

    possee

  15. Miss DeeDee says:

    OFF TOPIC
    — A conversation was in progress about the ” BlacklistedNews” subject of how the U.S. is going to contribute another 173 million to the Israel defense budget. Without getting into the correct political , religious or strategic aspects, the conversation led to the economic. One gentleman questioned why we had to print worthless money to help another country. — A child overheard his statement and said ” Why can’t they print their own worthless money ? ”
    — I could only reply ” Good question . I’ll ask SHTFPlan. Someone there will know. ”
    — Miss Dee Dee

    • Archivist says:

      They might not know how. Zimbabwe had to get their 100 trillion dollar bills printed in Germany. Most smaller countries even get their postage stamps printed in Europe. They’re almost worthless as collectibles, since most of them for sale in the U.S. never even get to the countries they were printed for. They are printed in Europe and sent directly to the U.S. for beginning stamp collectors to buy.

  16. You don’t leave your constitutional rights at the doorstep of any school

    this has already been tried in a court of law, and WE already won this

    • braveheart says:

      VRF, last time I checked, you don’t leave ANY of your rights at ANYONE’S doorstep, regardless of who it is. Your rights go everywhere you go 24/7/365. MOLON LABE braveheart

  17. Old Vet says:

    The puppet masters are still running things and will continue to do so until they want to pull the plug. Americans must be disarmed first and if not they know they will have a lot of trouble. Having said that, a natural disaster of some kind or we the people come together and take America back is the only thing to stop them.
    To clean out D.C., we build a Trojan Horse (a huge roach motel) and bait it with 10 Trillion dollars in the middle and watch them come and get it. Then we burn in pace. For those who do not think both parties are alike look what they just did in the house.
    A side note, how about the plane crash in KULA’s Hawaii only one killed was Obama’s Birth ok’er seem very strange to me. Oh well dead men tell no tails.

    • Thinker says:

      Old Vet and all; A great article written by Dave Hodges called “The most powerful woman in America” @commonsenseshow.com watch as we defend into hell by the puppet masters.

      Thinker

  18. Shane Vandrell says:

    Off topic but… Time is always against us, as is money. EASY way to saw a few bucks. Get a 2-3 gallon bucket for the shower, and a basin from the dollar store for dishes to throw in your kitchen sink. Or whatever you have around the house. Why? Anytime you rinse anything out, wash your hands, whatever. That water will be collected. The bucket for the shower, same idea. Once full I use them to flush the toilet, by just dumping it into the the bowl.

    My water bill so far has dropped 6 bucks and I have not been doing it for a full billing cycle. I use enough water during to day to flush the toilet 3-4 times a day…without using any extra water! A few more bucks to buy preps is always a good thing:)

    Yes I stole this idea from a show called Extreme Cheapskates. Look it up on TLC or Netflix. Now these people do some crazy shit…like dumpster diving for food. But one guy re-sharpens his disposable razors using the striker from a box of matches!

    • Warchild says:

      Shane,for keeping disposable razors sharp have a much better system that actually works.Use a cut off from torn jeans being turned finally into rags and patches,pull razor up and down 15-20 times each side in non cutting direction,this “strops” your blade,have used one for months now but also first attack with electric razor,blades just for final result,seriously,try this,it works well!I also strop with leather belt kitchen knives after each use a few times,do not have to resharpen for over two years now and they get lots of use!

      • jerrytbg says:

        I gots a better idea!!!! Grow a beard!

        Use your k-bar when it gets tooo long…
        Cause that’s the blade you need to sharpen…regularly! 🙂

        • Warchild says:

          Jerry,no can do!I am way too good looking/handsome of a man to hide my gorgeous face behind a beard,dozens of women can’t be wrong!This k-bar you speak of,is this a trail mix candy bar?!Actually,have a varied collection of knives both folding and fixed ranging from tiny swiss army knife to a Bowie(not Ziggy!)knife that was my uncles about a foot long,my guess is the Bowie good for irritating a Kodiak as it has you for lunch!That said,have actually never owned nor even used a actual k-bar knife,perhaps if the timing right and funds avaliable will get one.My friend is still working on old german files hand grinding to a knife,have made the handles for the project but seems he is in stall mode as far as getting it done!

          • jerrytbg says:

            Warchild, I don’t now if you’ll read this…but anyway…

            You bring up an interesting thought comparison…
            Ka-Bar V cheapo chinese blade…
            It’s the same as choosing between a fine Swiss movement watch or a cheapo timex that needs a battery…
            As I’ve indicated before, the quality with far out weigh the quantity over time…It’s something you can pass down…

            As far as not growing a beard…Is it their feelings at closing time or the next morning… 🙂

            • Warchild says:

              Jerry,have quality knives(and some cheapos for a buck from yard sale),have both worlds covered,am really looking forward to what my friend makes if he ever gets on with it!As to your other ?,the answer is both!

              • jerrytbg says:

                If you would, Keep me posted on this cause I have an interest in doing something of my own…using ipe,South America hardwood in the walnut family, and 440 SS. Have a friend that is exceptional with tig welding. Would use his skill to attach the hand guard around the wooden handle that the blade goes thru…don’t know how heavy it’ll be but would prob be good to cut lines on the boat in a hurry… 🙂 …

      • SWFL says:

        You can do the same thing using the ceramic tiles in the shower.

    • Smokey says:

      You can put a sealed jug of water in your toilet tank, it will displace water each time you flush, and reduce your bill.

      You can sharpen safety razor blades by running them around the inside of a ceramic coffee mug, and then strop a bit on an old belt.

      Always use cold water laundry wash, you will save money on your hot water.

      Turn off your icemaker, use the old trays, instead.

  19. CriticalThought says:

    It’s sad that so many are falling all over themselves congratulating elected officials for enacting laws that “give” us what is already specifically spelled out in the Constitution. What should be done is pushing them to eliminate laws that violate our constitutional rights, not rewarding them for “giving” us little pieces of rights we already have.

    • jerrytbg says:

      That will certainly happen… after the “real” change….

      We, who express in forums such as this, are the tip of that proverbial blade that will bring about that change…

      It will be bloody…the horrors that will be experienced will be beyond what most can imagine…but it will be necessary for us to do, if the children are to be free…

  20. Satori says:

    Italy backs 8 percent minimum bail-in for ailing banks

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-italy-banks-minister-idUSBRE9B90K420131210/

    there’s that phrase “bail in” being used yet AGAIN

  21. Warchild says:

    Though not a market fan tis related: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/13/Lesson-From-2013-Forget-Gold-Buy-Guns ,do disagree with article that gun restrictions a dead issue but happy to see this news!

  22. Sgt. Dale says:

    Finally a Judge with a set of BALLS.
    This gun thinks is being used by TPTB to set one side against another.

    You all know that I’m a cop.
    What is the difference between me carrying a firearm and you carrying a firearm. Yes I’m trained to use it when I go to work to protect someone, or myself.

    You folks don’t take it to work for use. You are using the firearm to protect yourself only. If you are a good guy/gal and you protect someone else. The only difference is that I might do it a little better because I have been doing it for 30 years.

    I have gotten into trouble because I have bent the rules on several times when I have found people with their firearms uncased. I checked them out they had no record and I wasn’t going to give a person a record for carrying their firearms. My answer to my Chief was they have a 2ND. Admendment Right.

    I was even given a day off once for this. I told the Chief when I got back the next day that it didn’t change my mind, and I don’t have to right a citation. I can make a call at the scene. I told him its just like a traffic stop. I don’t have to write a citation I can give a warning. I then went over to the City Clerk and told her to put a Vacation day on my check.
    Thank God I don’t work for this TWIT any more

    I hope and pray that more judges start letting up on the good folks that what to carry their firearms, and where they want to carry them.

    I can see a business say no firearms in their store. That is their call. I just won’t shop there.

    AMI SMALL MISS SMALL
    Sgt.

    • Gotta get good men/women in as judges…need to streamline the process for removing bad ones and totally trash this system where any judge sits for life…people need a sure swift way to remove a bad judge (besides having to shoot them) 😉

    • buttcrackofdoom says:

      i tip my hat to you sgt!

    • possee says:

      sgt dale

      Excellent…

      We are in this for the long haul..

      There will be many more sustained shootings in the coming days,weeks, and months here to fore..some by sheer madness..many by sheer planning..

      All in all..it will add to the madness ..and eventually convince the herds in the populace and the herds in the corrupted halls of legislature and just-us to clamp down on the rest of us..

      It is coming…

      possee

    • Heatblizzard says:

      Firearms? If they ban fire arms then how about start learning sword techniques?

      Swords are not as noisy either so they don’t alert other nearby enemies to you’re location if in the rare instance you are endangered and most criminals will have bowl trouble after seeing you pull out a fancy looking sword and know that you know how to use it properly.

  23. possee says:

    Two wounded, gunman dead in shooting at Denver-area high school..just in..

    I stated this would happen…one of many..all planned..

    possee

  24. NC joe says:

    You people are idiots. Business should have the right to determine how they run their business. That includes not allowing firearms on their premises. Any organization, including schools, has to have the right to conduct its affairs as it sees fit, that includes not allowing firearms on the premises. If you do not like the way an organization conducts its business, go elsewhere. I know I as a business owner, if I am ever told I have to allow firearms on my premises over my objections, will fire all my employees and close the business. I have more than enough money to live comfortably for the remainder of my days. So why should I care about those who will lose their jobs?
    In addition to being idiots, you people are mentally ill. H you even come remotely close to having to use a firearm in self defense? I have a concealed carry permit, but have quit carrying. I have never even come close to needing to use my firearm. I now keep a firearm in my vehicle and in my home, but that is it. The odds are not in my favor if a criminal accosts me while walking across Wal-Mart’s parking are any other place I go. Chances are I will be dead and a firearm I am carrying will wind up in a criminal’s hands. You people need to grow a functioning brain and get over your stupid paranoia and stop being a stooge for the gun and ammo industry. They care nothing for your rights, just your dollars.

    • possee says:

      ncjoe

      aka (no cognitive) joe

      I don’t give a flying fuck if smith and wesson give a shit about my rights

      I don’t care if any ammo or gunsmith company cares about me nor my rights..

      They provide me ,and millions of others, the last stand against tyranny which most of the world’s citizen’s do not enjoy nor have access to..and witness the tyranny they endure..

      So keep your weapon in the car..you useless tool.

      It is a matter of choice and right to bear arms..

      Don’t like it.then face the consequences should they ever confront you..

      Concealed carry is akin to life insurance,car insurance,health insurance..it’s there when you need it..

      The likes of you and all your ilk …disgusting..

      Go lick obama’s feet..

      fool

      possee

    • Heatblizzard says:

      In that case Criminals have the right to choose to ignore that decisions because they can waltz right in with no way for people to defend themselves while police are busy *setting up positions* by the time they do get there.

    • Smokey says:

      Joe, you are an idiot.

      Someone steals your car, you just gave them a gun. Smooth move.

      That gun in your car is going to do you no good whatsoever in the WalMart parking lot.

      Most folks who carry, the ones I know, anyway, don’t have fantasies about using their weapons. You apparently do.

      Nor would we fire our employees because the law says the public gets to wear their revolver under their coat or in their purse while in your business. We’re not hypocrites, you see, like you are. Your right to own and carry a firearm extends to others, and you don’t like that, do you?

    • Kevin2 says:

      NC joe

      “The odds are not in my favor if a criminal accosts me while walking across Wal-Mart’s parking are any other place I go.”

      Unarmed the odds are not just against you but in that case you have no odds. If the weapon is on you the choice is yours to employ it or not. If in your car and someone steals it you just fueled the illegal gun market.

      Either have it on you or leave it home but regardless have it under YOUR CONTROL.

    • Kevin2 says:

      NC joe

      “Business should have the right to determine how they run their business. That includes not allowing firearms on their premises. Any organization, including schools, has to have the right to conduct its affairs as it sees fit, that includes not allowing firearms on the premises.”

      That theory was put to rest for good reason with “Whites Only” service five decades ago. Regardless the best you can do is ask a patron to leave if they’re otherwise legally armed. The idea that somehow your private enclave is a sovereign territory exempt from the laws of that state flies in the face of “Whites Only”.

  25. Jeff says:

    Good that the states are supporting 2A. Here’s the reality: Its does matter what laws are passed or how the Federal courts rule; I will not comply, period!

    Once they start coming for us (see CA and NY), we will start coming for them!

  26. Heatblizzard says:

    One interesting thing came to me. I don’t like the modern video games because of the violence in them. I DO like video games but not the ones that are extremely violent with lots of cussing/Shooting cops etc.

    Anyways my idea is since the NSA can monitor people’s records you as a Christian/LSD/Catholic whatever will be considered *targets* so in order to *trick* the devil when bibles are outlawed as in some countries. http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=90056

    In order to *trick the devil* you should buy a modern video game system with one game in order to relax the thought police so you can continue you’re illegal bible study groups.

    The thought police will see the purchases of the newer violent or even semi-violent games and think you are no threat to them while you are continuing to supply illegal bible propaganda as they call it. You could last quite a long time as the bible does state there will be survivors.

    I believe those survivors are ones that attempt to trick the system by hiding in plain sight.

    When Egypt was overthrown a lot of the destroyed houses where ones that didn’t hide in plain sight and made themselves noticeable

  27. Heatblizzard says:

    I forgot to add you don’t even have to play the violent game in order to keep you’re sanity and faith.

    Just put that game away in the closet until the *thought police* arrive and inspect you’re house and if they think it’s worthy you’ll either be left alone or given a *fine* instead of being violently thrown in prison never able to do bible study groups again.

    The bible does make it clear there WILL be survivors even in the most bleakest time in Earth when all hope appears lost.

    God always waits to show up at the very last minute in all of the bible stories and I don’t think he will be different this time around either. Most of the time we are the ones that act irrationally and most of my life I have made regretful situations due to acting out of blind panic when I don’t think God is hearing me.

  28. Heatblizzard says:

    There is usually situations in life that has no logical explanations or connections that drive me into a blind panic because I don’t know what the *beep* is going on even when viewing it form different angles.

  29. SWFL says:

    Fed Up says: Comment ID: 2877038 December 14, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    @ SWFL
    You appear to be LDS. Research- really research- your own ‘religion’ before you try to defend it. And researching means more than going to your bishop or friends for a circle-jerk of affirmation about your cult of lies.
    .
    .
    -Yes I am LDS. I’m glad you can tell.
    I did “Research- really research- your own ‘religion’”. I have also research Protestantism and Roman Catholicism. I have read “Kingdom of the Cults” “The God-makers” and similar poorly written and poorly researched propaganda in addition to legitimate documents and statements of the founding leaders. I am also familiar with the St. James version of the Bible as a whole and the Apocrypha specifically. (Just to add to your hysteria I should point out that while we do not acknowledge the Apocrypha as scripture, it is acknowledged to be worthy of study if done with a heart and mind open to the Spirit of the Lord.) The research I did is why I joined. (In my 40’s) I don’t feel the need to defend it, especially from someone who clearly has not done any of their own. This is not the church I was born into nor the first one I investigated so please don’t waste my time with your accusations. Your comments are tediously typical for someone who gets their information from those who make a living by getting paid to sell salvation.
    .
    .
    Multiple wives- part of the ORIGINAL lds beliefs and practices.
    It won’t be found in your current version though. You have to RESEARCH back to one of the early versions of the book of mor(M)on. Not the first version, mind you. Its version 10 or 11 that it appears. (There are over 120 different CHANGES- not revisions, CHANGES- in only the last 120 years… And more every few years!
    CULT? Yes
    .
    .
    _ I am aware of the doctrine of plural marriage and the history surrounding it. It did not come from the Book of Mormon. (There is a great deal more of it in the Bible in case you were wondering.) What I am disputing is your contention that the more wives one has the faster they get into heaven.(Please refer back to your previous post.)
    You don’t have to read the early versions of the Book of Mormon to know about that, it is not hidden; the history of that change is part of what we teach.
    I also dispute that there are changes to the religion very few years; what changes are the ways the doctrine is implemented in the world. The principles remain the same, the ways they are taught change to match the capacity of the society within which they are taught. If that comment was intended to refer specifically to the Book of Mormon then maybe you could enlighten me to what changes you are referring to “every few years!” I read it pretty closely and have several copies in two languages that I have bought over the years. I haven’t noticed any changes in the time I have been a member.
    By the way, what is it with you and the word “cult”? Is that some kind of magic talisman for you or something?

  30. freewill says:

    I,ve been telling people on different websites to get a gun, Hopefully you’ll never need it, but if you do, when the cops show up later, let them take the criminal and not you!

  31. If you’re in the United States of America there is NO ‘gun free’ zone. No. Not even DC, although they’d love to try to enforce that. Only out of fear of what rational people would do to them.