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Selco on Immigrants: Stop Arguing About It and Prepare for It

Selco
October 30th, 2018
The Organic Prepper
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This report was originally published by Selco at The Organic Prepper

Note from Daisy: When I recently wrote an article called “Some Unpopular Opinions About the Migrant Caravan,” a few readers suggested I ask Jose and Selco their feelings about the whole thing. Here is Selco’s opinion and Jose’s is coming soon. Selco is a survivor of the Balkan war in Bosnia, and his opinions are based on his own experiences.

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Talking about immigrants or refugees is close to me because here in Bosnia and Herzegovina we have cities that in last 2 months got into the situation where illegal immigrants have become 1/3 of the population.

In 2 months time only.

And yes we, too, have endless discussions about what to do with them, to deport them, to accept them, to like them or to hate them.

In the meantime, their numbers grow. They are becoming a problem for an already poor society.

The US is having problems with immigrants, too.

There is something similar happening in the US these days, and there are furious debates in survival forums, Facebook groups, and elsewhere about whether you are “pro or con” immigrants. And it gets so heated that I think if it was happening in a real-life place, like on the street or in a coffee place, people would literally fight over the topic.

Let me ask you a question: when a tornado, hurricane, or flood is coming, do you discuss is that bad or right or do you just prepare for it?

Do you lose your nerves and time by hating the storm or you buy candles, extra food or whatever?

So does arguing about the topic “who likes or who hates immigrants” or “should we help them or not” make you more prepared in any way?

Or do you think that your opinion will change anything when it comes to the fact “are immigrant coming or not”?

I am sorry, but in events like this, your opinion (nor mine) does not matter at all.

But still, we push so many people about seeing their opinion and conforming our opinion to theirs like that is gonna change things.

Those kinds of events usually happened way above our “circle” of influence and no matter what we do those events will happen on a way that somebody much more powerful planned.

We are nothing in those decisions. Sorry.

My opinion about these events (here and there)?

People who do not want to contribute in my land, adopt the way of living that we live in my country, play by rules of my country should not be here. That’s it.

They should be returned to the place where they come from and push their life philosophy there, not in my backyard.

Am I going to help a kid who is hungry among those immigrants? Yes, if possible I will. I will give him food, or a blanket or clothes…

I was raised like that.

Are they playing on my feelings, or playing me like a violin?

Maybe.

Am I going to hate all the people who want to go there (or here) including those who want to become part of this society, to work, to contribute?

No of course not. There are ways for becoming a member of new society, adapting, integrating, “investing yourself in it.”

Aren’t we all coming here (wherever here is) from somewhere (wherever somewhere is) through our past generations who made it home?

The main takeaway here (here and there) is that we are getting divided over events that are being played on much higher levels.

Do you really think it is impossible to stop the immigrants from crossing the border? Of course, it is doable. It is doable even here in almost destroyed societies. You just implement laws and that’s it, Borders are here for reason. If a country cannot control its own border what’s the point then?

You follow laws and policies, set a few examples, and that’s it.

Folks, this thing is probably outside our circle of influence, it is a sad thing to hear but it is probably the truth.

Unless you can lead 500,000 people on the street making demands for something you do not have influence.

Prepare for immigrants in realistic ways.

I see people waiting for waves of immigrants and preparing for them but their prep is to argue with people on FB are they pro or con.

It is better maybe to set up a system where you can really quickly reinforce your door and windows, with a fast way to install plywood board maybe, or steel bars and similar.

If these “hordes” of immigrants show up at your door one day, do you think they will appreciate your opinion about “pro or con immigrants”?

They will appreciate your will on how you deal with them in one or another way, good or bad.

The immigrants aren’t the worst part of what is happening.

What is even worse here, I can see such bad division and polarisation, that I believe people will have rioting most probably and fights between people who are “pro” and people who are “con” immigrants.

It gets so heated.

Immigrants might not even show up or be a problem, but because this you might end up fighting (real fighting – not arguing on the internet) because you got so divided over topics like immigrants between left and right, wrong or right, light and dark, or whatever.

The real question here is does somebody actually want to divide people so much that anything is possible?

To divide people over topics like immigrants so much that you actually hate your neighbor hard and he hates you? So there are factions and militias and parties and at the end something like war?

As I mentioned before, as I grow more old I tend to believe that some things do not happen without reason, or chaotically, or randomly.

Very often we are puppets in somebody powerful hands, and our reactions, and us being mesmerized with things are often used to “sneak” something in.

Everything is possible, but please, do not get yourself to involved in general hate. Deal with possible consequences, try to be more prepared for things that might show up from events like this.

And I hate to say but again, immigrants problem can be solved easy more or less if there is a will for that. But if in your own society divisions between your own people (or fellow citizens) gets so bad that you actually hate people, or groups of people (political factions, views, or similar) so bad that you are blinded then very bad things are possible.

I have been there. My neighbors became my enemies without any real and logical reason.

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Selco survived the Balkan war of the 90s in a city under siege, without electricity, running water, or food distribution. In his online works, he gives an inside view of the reality of survival under the harshest conditions. He reviews what works and what doesn’t, tells you the hard lessons he learned, and shares how he prepares today. He never stopped learning about survival and preparedness since the war. Regardless what happens, chances are you will never experience extreme situations like Selco did. But you have the chance to learn from him and how he faced death for months. Real survival is not romantic or idealistic. It is brutal, hard and unfair. Let Selco take you into that world. Read more of Selco’s articles here: https://shtfschool.com/blog/ And take advantage of a deep and profound insight into his knowledge and advice by signing up for the outstanding and unrivaled online course. More details here: https://shtfschool.com/survival-boot-camp/

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  1. JustMe says:

    Wise advice from Selco.

    His SHTF School programs are worth every penny.
    Get them while you still can.

    • Menzoberranzan says:

      We are becoming the Balkans at a fast pace. It’s good to be in Dixie.

    • the blame-e says:

      Selco is a defeatist. You cannot rebuild the world over and over and over again. Selco is a coward. Selco is like all these “illegals.” Let your country be turned into a shit hole and then run away. Cowards. Like all these Americans fleeing shithole states and cities like California, Illinois, New York, Indiana; Baltimore, Maryland, Buffalo, Chicago, Rochester, NY, Philadelphia. Benign neglect is not an excuse.

      Prepare. All is lost. Prepare.

      That is like Sisyphus pushing the same rock up the same damn hill forever. Protect what you have. Defend the beauty that your forefathers gave their lives for. Keep what is already is here. Fight for it. Die for it.

      • TharSheBlows says:

        Caravan Filled with Terrorists, MS 13, Drug Smugglers & Welfare Seekers by Frosty Wooldridge

        Article IV, Section 4 of the United States Constitution:

        “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union, a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot convene) against domestic violence.”

        And:

        A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: assists an illegal alien, she/he should reasonably know is illegally within the Unite States or who lack employment authorization, by transporting, shelter, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or encourages that illegal alien to remain in the United States by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.” Federal Law—Section 8 USC 1324 (a) (1) (A) (iv) (b) (iii)

        In other words, in excess of 22 million illegal aliens remain in the United States in violation of our laws. And, another 7,000 to 12,000 approach our southern border with the explicit intention to breach our borders in the form of an invasion.

        President Donald Trump, by authority of the Constitution, may send troops to California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to defend our borders against the impending attack. But he could face a Federal judge neutralizing his authority as president, and negate his orders. Thus, any Federal judge can stop the president from his duties of office.

        Judicial Watch said, “The caravan moving north toward our border is a serious threat to the sovereignty of the United States. It is a blatant challenge to the rule of law. For this reason, we sent our Director of Investigations and Research Chris Farrell and Judicial Watch Investigator Reporter Irene Garcia to Guatemala to uncover the truth about “caravan.”

        “The migrant caravan marching northbound through Central America is an “elaborately planned” movement that’s benefiting human smugglers and bringing disturbing numbers of violent gang members and other criminal elements through Guatemala, according to government sources in the capital city.”

        The realities grow that, “MS-13 gang members have been detained and coyotes (human smugglers) are joining the march with clients who pay to get smuggled into the United States,” a Guatemalan official told Judicial Watch. “People from Asian countries waiting to get smuggled into the U.S. through Central America are also integrating with poor Hondurans in the caravan, a high-level Guatemalan government source confirmed.”

        What the main stream media won’t tell you continues: among them are nationals of Bangladesh, a south Asian Islamic country that’s well known as a recruiting ground for terrorist groups such as ISIS and Al-Qaeda Indian Subcontinent (AQIS). “There are lots of dirty businesses associated with this,” Guatemalan authorities told Judicial Watch. “There’s lots of human trafficking.”

        What makes this journalist angry stems from the fact that our last president, named Obama, encouraged such invasions by allowing 65,000 unaccompanied kids to cross the border. Then, another 40,000 found their way across. Obviously, huge organizations planned the former invasions and facilitated them.

        Did Obama stop them? No! He broke our own laws by illegally granting DACA to illegal kids. Then, he shut down the U.S. Border Patrol to give them less ability to interdict those illegal migrants. And, he neutered ICE agents internally.

        Worse, Congress stood by doing nothing: no passage of E-Verify in the past 20 years. No passage to stop Anchor Babies. No enforcement for employers of illegals. No enforcement for landlords to give illegals housing. No enforcement to stop transportation companies from moving them.

        In other words, our own government violates our laws and facilitates this invasion. And, the American people continue watching it for the past 30 years while their country becomes infested with 22 million violators and millions of employers who hire them. Ironically, we pay for all of it with our tax dollars and our diminished jobs.

        It’s amazing we still maintain our own country. It will be even more amazing if we survive this continuous invasion by immigrants from all over the world, legal or illegal. My prediction: we’re going to devolve into an overpopulated, chaotically cultural quagmire with no national identity or language. We a face racially divisive future not only of blacks, whites and browns—but Muslim, Hindus and Sikhs. Our culture will degrade into more Pittsburg, PA killings and bombers like that nut in a white van.

        We shall degrade into an incendiary country much like you see in Yemen, Pakistan, Syria and Bangladesh.

        We lose the core of our national culture, identity and language. Guess what? It’s already happened and we’re in for one hell of a nasty ride. At this point, I don’t see us saving our country.
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      • JustMe says:

        What do you expect Selco to say?

        He made it through a war-zone, and learned the hard way how to fight and survive.

        Whether you like what this article says or not, he has a lot of valid, trainable experience. His courses are not that expensive, and are worth every penny.

        Most people who are now awakening have never even been in the military, and his advice is useful to them.

        As for the people fleeing the shithole cities, those are the people who have turned this country into a shithole to begin with, and they intend to move to your town, and do the same. And, it will happen again and again, because no one will stop them.

        Probably the best warning came from Thomas Chittum, in his book, “Civil War II”. That is America’s future…

  2. Heartless says:

    That last sentence did it to/for me: “My neighbors became my enemies without any real and logical reason.” Boy…. did it ever. So many times I’ve walked out to the street in front of my home. The same street I built this house I live in on some 27 years ago. Where I’ve watched my own kids grow up and move away from. Where I’ve watched my neighbors kids do the same. The day in, day out of who gets off to work @ 5,6,7, 8… who is home-bound. And I know, I just know… that if some crisis as we speak of here should/does happen…. those same people I know so well – at least half of them would become enemies. Sick, sad, true… is it not?

    • Arby5 says:

      Makes me think of many of the SHTF scenario books I have read. Your neighbor becomes a VERY DANGEROUS enemy for a variety of reasons, mostly because they have NOT prepared and DEMAND that you share your resources “for the common good”.

      • Deplorable Neal Jensen says:

        It all stems from the “entitlement” people feel towards property and rights that BELONG to others, that has no basis in fact for them to have, unless somehow they cite some “survival of the fittest” reasoning…in which case they better have the MEANS to enforce that survival on your own or die from you defending your EQUAL and OPPOSITE RIGHT to exist.

        What makes neighbors your de facto enemies….Entitlement syndrome. Watch out, they will kill you for it if they CAN.

  3. world population doubled in 50 years. since 1970

  4. rabbitone says:

    “…its different this time…” is the rallying cry of the left. They believe open boarders will end nationalism. That ending capitalism will level economics and create their utopia. However, history shows us many other outcomes for immigrants….

    In 1840s ecological disaster struck Ireland. The potato blight destroyed the main food crop of the Irish people and an already weakened population began to die off by the tens of thousands. With no relief from starvation or British oppression, hundreds of thousands of Irish peasants crammed into coffin ships during these years immediately afterward, bound for North America. As the Irish crammed into eastern American cities riots ensued because the U.S. was in the middle of a wholesale State level Sovereign Debt Crisis in the United States:

    https://exhibits.library.villanova.edu/chaos-in-the-streets-the-philadelphia-riots-of-1844

    A lot of blood was spilled not because they were Irish or Catholic as some historians would have you believe. It happened because the citizens (called nativist in these riots) felt threatened by immigrants. Nativists saw close-knit immigrant communities as proof of “clannish” ways and as an attempt to resist “Americanization.”

    If you go back through history there are 1000s of examples where immigrants are blamed for major economic down turns. And in many cases like Philadelphia where there was major economic problems clashes or riots break out. I saw this first hand in the Detroit suburbs as Polish people migrated from War torn Europe.

    If you want an example closer to today. Look no father away than Spain. The government in Madrid sent 16,500 Spanish policemen to Catalonia last year to prevent their referendum and riots…It goes on every day but people ignore it…

    So where does this lead? When some day soon socialism starts to go belly up in the western world then the natives (citizens) will take justice into their own hands as they have done for 1000’s of years and take it out on the immigrants…

  5. Nailbanger says:

    War!
    The heard will thin

  6. Hauptmann says:

    Selco’s thinking is pretty muddy on this subject. We’re not talking about hate, we’re talking about inviolate national borders, a subject Viktor Orban of Hungary understands and many of us Americans understand. The people coming and who have come for a free lunch at the expense of Americans who have paid their citizenship dues and yearly pay their taxes are nothing more than invaders. The moment they step on American soil, they are felons who, if citizens, would lose their voting rights and go to jail. Selco doesn’t address the issue of just where illegal immigration should be stopped and its effect on a functioning society. Illegal immigration is a crime and in many cases a cultural suicide. Sweden has become an Islamic state and France and England are well on the way as is Germany. If America doesn’t stand up for its own borders and laws, we will go the same way and become a large barrio like the favelas of Brazil. No thanks, Selco. We choose to defend our country and culture.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Distraction. Deception. Misdirection.
    What event or events is US government really hiding?
    I can smell the deception now.
    All the recent public theater is to cover something else up. Something big.

    That is how they work. people are being put into a frenzy.
    Why? What event is Government hiding.

    Hanford? Their was alert there. And at other facilities.

    Anyone here know what is really going on?
    Dollar collapse?

    Something is up. Why else all of the media drama?

    • buttcrackofdoom says:

      since 1913, the dollar has become worth LESS. soon to become WORTHless. THAT Is what we ALL are preparing for, but only some of U.S. know that…..you gotta be able to READ….and COMPREHEND…..EVERYTHING ties to the FED, and how our dollar is soon to be worthless, because of too much DEBT.
      got a monkey on yer back? lynyrd skynyrd can help you sort it all out.

      Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars
      Oak tree you’re in my way
      There’s too much coke and too much smoke
      Look what’s going on inside you

      Ooooh that smell
      Can’t you smell that smell
      Ooooh that smell
      The smell of DEBT surrounds you

      One little problem that confronts you
      got a monkey on your back
      Just one more fix, Lord might do the trick
      One hell of a price for you to get your kicks

      Ooooh that smell
      Can’t you smell that smell
      Ooooh that smell
      The smell of DEBT surrounds you

  8. Norrak says:

    It’s not about hate. It’s about rule of law. Laws were made for a reason. My country, the USA, cannot keep accepting immigrants by the thousands indefinitely. Taking care of these people puts a burden on the tax payers, and it’s also not fair to the immigrants who did follow the rule of law on their way to living in this country. I say “living in this country legally”, because I cannot say followed the rule of law on their way ” to becoming a citizen of this country” because many of them never become citizens. Look up and see what is required by Australia or Russia to move there. The USA is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to. Jobs are already scare, and we already have enough people to take care of without further expanding the burden on the taxpayer. We have a right to protect our borders and to make rational decisions on how many people can be allowed to immigrate to America ” legally”. It’s not about hate, it’s about rational thinking for the continued welfare of our country and the people who are already here. The way this article is written sounds as though we should just prepare for it and like it because we have no other choices and our opinions don’t matter. Our opinions do matter because we are citizens and our taxes are used to pay for law breakers, illegal immigration alone makes these people criminals.

  9. Trump will abolish birthright citizenship, abolish the 14th Amendment by Executive Order. Only children born of legal citizens will be citizens. Even if challenged by the Court, this law, which clarifies who can be a citizen, is long overdue.

    The 14th was created to give the children of slaves the right to citizenship, not aliens here illegally. Many Constitutional experts say that the 14th does not apply to migrants, undocumented workers, or illegal aliens anyway; but if the 14th is appealed, the argument ends.

    It’s always a good thing to prepare. But it is better to stop something before it becomes a problem, than to fix it afterwards.

    Knowledge is lightweight. It travels well. Get skills. They are more important than stacking, stocking, etc. If you are stocking up, after bullets, bandaids, and beans; get all the tools to rebuild. Tools and spools. Make sure you know how to compost your poop. And if you haven’t already: watch “Primitive Survival”. These dudes are awesome.

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    _

    • Yahooie says:

      Besides illegal aliens, there is also a birth tourism trade where mothers-to-be arrive here legally at clinics set up just for birthing their baby on U.S. soil. Child is claimed to be a citizen and then they can come back here legally and enjoy all the rights and benefits ranging from in-state tuition (much lower than otherwise) to SS when they retire. Plus they can also bring over mom and pop, etc.

      • the blame-e says:

        Immigration in the United States is broken. It has been broken by this government. All we have left is illegal immigration and an illegal government. Both must end.

        Stop all immigration (from every country into this one), until this government returns to the Rule of Law.

        This current invading army is so sure that our government is so cowardly that they can just walk right in and take over.

        In the past, at least an invading army was armed. They expected they would have to fight a people that would defend their homeland. What have Americans become — the Frence? Italians?

        Isn’t that what the “Department of Homeland Security” is supposed to be all about? Or is it just good for putting American tanks on American streets, and using American troops to threaten American homes?

    • Anonymous says:

      Trump may be able to do this, but expect it to be undone in Congress and the courts.

      There are court decisions regarding legal resident alien children, but non regarding illegal residents or people just passing through on temporary status (such as foreign tourists).

      This will end up decided in the Supreme Court since initial rulings by the lower courts -you can guess which ones from the immigration restriction rulings- will undoubtedly be against it.

      • the blame-e says:

        Our government is illegal. Our courts are illegal. Get rid of both of them. We have “a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.” It is time to take our country back. The Tree of Liberty is dying of thirst.

        “Sometimes the good must be organized along the lines of the mafia.” — Kurt Vonnegut.

    • Deplorable Neal Jensen says:

      Foreign invaders and ANCHOR BABIES, illegal border crossers are NOT covered under the 14th Amendment because they DO NOT HAVE LEGAL STATUS TO the Constitution, and remain under the LEGAL constriction of their HOME NATIONS LAWS. Hopefully President Trumps advisors are PAYING ATTENTION to these portions of the relevant and CITED Law. ONLY LEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE STATUS under the 14th Amendment, which the SCOTUS upheld.

      https://www.lawDOTcornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

      Here is Amendment XIV

      Section 1.

      All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      Section 2.

      Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

      Section 3.

      No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

      Section 4.

      The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

      Section 5.

      The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    • Beaumont says:

      No disrespect is intended toward present company, per se. Just saying.

      B said, “The 14th was created to give the children of slaves the right to citizenship, not aliens here illegally.”

      The Blexit (Blacks exit Democrat Party) fad says that Democrats were the party of the Klan.

      Republicans were the party of Radical Reconstruction, a special punishment for James Wilkes Booth, in which white people would be dispossessed, farcically — as an insult.

      White people are assuming, comfortably, that only other races of people can be inconvenienced, when you got your own citizenship by means of a birthright.

      • Anonymous says:

        I don’t think anyone is making that assumption.

        • Beaumont says:

          With all due respect, we assume that only Mexicans will be losing their legal personhood.

          Under the NDAA (Obama era), accused terrorists would be disappeared, not to be tried in broad daylight. They said there was such a thing as blue eyed, blonde haired Al Qaeda.

          In theory, then, their suspicions can be applied to anyone.

          Arabs would push food carts past security. White people would be hassled by security theater. Latino border patrol asks Anglos for their papers, in the Constitution-free zone, 100mi past the physical border.

          I will be hygienic, civil, documented, and have a perfect record.

          I am telling you to be self-conscious, not radicalized. For instance, are you breaking curfew, or have you accidentally found yourself among demonstrators, through no fault of your own.

          Sane people are guessing, hoping, they have bigger fish to fry.

    • Rick Werner says:

      Once again good advice!

  10. Dave says:

    It is this simple. We don’t need them, and if they all leave their country to come here they won’t fix their countries, and will damage ours. If the world is to be a better place, doesn’t that start with better countries! Stay home and make yours better places to live!

    The framers wrote immigration into the Constitution for one reason, and only one reason. To build up a population that could repel future invasions. This is well discussed in the federalist papers. This followed the war of independence, so it is understandable that they wanted to quickly build up a formidable population to thwart further attempts at concurring this country.

    Immigration was never supposed to be a free for all, or never ending. We wanted the worlds scientists, mathematicians, and industrialists. Educated people with ambition.

    The words on the statue of liberty were from a french liberal artist, the words never rang true, and certainly aren’t what the fathers of this country intended! But, due to all the ignoramuses in this country, they have become U.S. immigration policy.

    • the blame-e says:

      If Americans choose not to stand up; to say “Enough is Enough,” then we are no different than all these people invading our country.

      Their own countries were turned into shitholes by Socialism, corruption, cronyism, greed, and avarice. Did they stand and fight? Did they take their country back? No. Because they are cowards. Just like Americans who flee California when what they should be doing is taking a stand. Just like Americans who flee New York State — a state that has been under the control of the Cuomo Mafia Family, and the Bloombergs, and the “New York Times” since the 1980s. This is tyranny right here at home. 50-years of economic decline under Progressive Social Democrats. Just like in Venezuela, Mexico, Honduras, and all of South America.

      Today, Americans are no different than these “refugees, migrants, illegals, immigrants, boat-people, asylum seekers.” In our own country.

      Stop running away America.

  11. Yahooie says:

    “We wanted the worlds scientists, mathematicians, and industrialists. Educated people with ambition.” So very true. We have enough dummies here already–homegrown.

    • the blame-e says:

      The Russia and China would never tolerate what is happening here in the United States and Europe. They defend their borders. They take care of business. Russia and China are not like the United States. They do not allow the dregs (the slops, scum, dross, detritus), of the world into their country.

  12. Frank Thoughts says:

    Selco is right: these are things being done at a higher level and for a reason. And this is the reason. The economic system must have constant growth or it collapses. And it gets growth from more mouths to feed. Because modern societies provide lots of free money to new immigrants, it is worth it to bring more in to sell things to. And they don’t care who they are because the super rich never have to be near them.

    With all the surveillance etc. They know who is coming and where they go.

    This means the only way you can stop this is by taking over the US military, as in, that is never going to happen.

    So you have to instead deploy different strategies. And that means being very careful who you hang out with, who you work with, where you live. Apply high standards and do not bend them out of pity. In Europe black women have far higher rates of communicable diseases. So stay away from them. That is an easy thing you can do.

  13. Anonymous says:

    The Politicians need the illegals. Politicians use them to manufacture, smuggle, and deal the drugs.
    The only drugs that are illegal in USA, are from the cartels/dealers, that don’t give the politicians their share/cut, of the drug profits.
    As long as the dealers pay off the cops and US politicians, then cartels are allowed to sell the poison to kill our young people.

    Bonus is the cops use technology to target those dealers not paying off the cops and politicians. The cops and municipality then steal from those unvetted drug dealers large quantity of cash.

    Many leftist are so very irrational and unrealistic because they are on various drugs/stoned. The required 4 year communist re education camp called University fills the young people’s heads with propaganda and mess’s them up. Young people are vulnerable to the commie propaganda. Group mentality.

    Politicians also figured out a way to fill thier own pockets by legalising the DANGEROUS gateway drug canabus.
    Permits, taxes, to fill state coffers, bribes to the politicians for those permits. Bonus is that politicians want the masses to be stoned so they can steal even more money from the masses. Stoned people only care about being stoned. Stoned people easy to control/coral

    The other component is the chaos. Leftist seek chaos as a weapon of “change”. Normal people don’t seem to realise that the chaos is by leftist and politicians design. Intentional chaos.

    Notice how USA politicians almost never go after the drug Cartels. Don’t you think US military could shut drug dealers ass down with military grade weapons if politicians really wanted drugs gone? Of course.

    No. Politician need illegals and drugs because both make the dirty politicians and cops rich.

    Illegals are also readily exploitable cheap labor for the politicians supporters. Construction and many other industries would collapse without the cheap illegal labor.

    Grow up and open your eyes to the hypocrisy and dirty Mexican and USA politicians.

    Remember. Those drugs that make politicians rich are killing American young people.

    FYI: Legal drug dealing doctors, FDA license scams, Legal drug manufactures are other way Politicians get rich by destroying Americans lives. Bribes, payoffs, profits for politicians.

    The American people are too distracted to see reality. Not allowed to be discussed.

    Where do the blacks get the crack? Do they have planes? No. But politicians and US alphabet agencies do. US military assets also bring the poison in to US.

    All this is very well documented. Hell even movies have been made about this slime. No one cares.

    Lets see if this post is seen?

  14. the blame-e says:

    Bull sh*t piece. Bull sh*t thinking. The reality here, right now, in the United States, is war. Real honest to God war. What is going on is an invasion. And it is not this “caravan.” There are now at least two (2) more right behind this one.

    We are not talking about “refugees, migrants, Dreamers, asylum seekers, boat-people, illegals, immigrants, aliens” — or the usual flavor of the month. What is coming is not a caravan(s). This is an invasion. These people arriving, are carrying and waving the flags of their country — not ours; which they intend to plant in the United States. They plan to do this illegally. They have said so.

    What is happening right now in the United States is ten (10) times worse than in Europe. How do we know? Because the wholly owned MSM brags about it; something else to shove in the face of a duly-elected President of the United States, and the American people.

    Everyone can agree that you cannot have exponential growth in a finite planet. Except we are currently using the resources of an Earth and the quarter. You cannot inflict infinite population growth in a finite country. Except that these Progressive Socialist Democrats (PSD) will not give up on “Open Borders.” The PSD would rather commit cultural, societal, and economic suicide.

    A country can make no claims of sovereignty without secure borders.

    This government engages in endless war and endless war-mongering but does it far away, out of the eyes and news of the American people — GITMO, Dark Countries, the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, China, and God knows where else.

    These caravan(s), this invasion, is happening right in our backyard. What is this feckless, fully-dysfunctional government going to do about it? If they can’t, or won’t, defend our own borders then what is the point?

    Here is the Boomer definition of patriotism. “My country right, kept right. My country wrong, made right.”

    It is time, it is overdue, for the American people to make their country right. Stand-up. Resist. Fight back. Revolution.

    • repr sleepr says:

      We ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait till they pull up in front of your home to take your firearms. This is part of the SLOW MOTION DESENT THAT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL YOU DIE A NATURAL DEATH IN YOUR SLEEP AND ARE NO LONGER A THREAT TO THE NWO OR REACH FOR YOUR WEAPON AND GET TWO TO THE CHEST AND ONE TO THE BRAIN PAN. We here in the states are now deeply divided and the other side is waiting for us to blink first. I don’t trust any government official in any capacity including DT.

        • the blame-e says:

          There is a bigger picture being painted here by “the Powers That Be,” by the “Elites,” by the “Corporate Oligarchs.” But I don’t care. Whatever they want I am against.

          Kristen Gillibrand, a US Senator (for crying out loud), a Progressive Socialist Democrat from New York State, was quoted on national television bragging about how the Democrats were going to take back both the House and the Senate. And how when that happened ICE was going to be abolished; all immigration laws were going to be over-turned; how “serious” gun control laws were going to be passed. And the whole audience (primarily women), cheered.

          This woman took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and here she is promoting over-turning all of that. Bragging about it.

    • Deplorable Neal Jensen says:

      The liberals plan to SURRENDER our national sovereignty relies on thing. Republicans and Pro Americans falling back on a MORAL reasoning to NOT SHOOT ON SIGHT and repel the invaders because they are not coming in “armed” and shooting.
      But the INVASION is just the same thing as the Trojan Horse that liberals WELCOME into the USA. There is no difference, but they are counting on us deferring to a moral stance to NOT SHOOT ON SIGHT the “unarmed” invaders, and hence the fervent desire to PREVENT BARRIER WALLS AND ENFORCEMENT OF THGE LAW OF THE LAND.

      the whole strategy is based on that damning MORAL CHOICE to DEFEND ONES COUNTRY FROM INVASION OR KILLING THE UNARMED INVADER BECAUSE THE NATURAL AND MANMADE BARRIER DOESN’T EXIST.

      The weaponized strategy is the MORAL conundrum posed to TRUE PATRIOTIC LAWFUL AMERICANS that they are focused on and highly publicized the liberals and their captive Propaganda organs. The Communists in the USA must be destroyed as they subvert all things that America IS.

  15. Anonymous says:

    “The real question here is does somebody actually want to divide people so much that anything is possible?”

    There is no way to avoid doing this as long as there are different and irreconcilable views of what America should become.

    While the division has been slowly happening for decades, it became irreconcilable under Obama. There is no turning back the clock to earlier times now.

    I see three potential outcomes: The dialectic plays out and something different from both sides emerges replacing them with something new, one side kills the other and only one remains, the nation is destroyed by the conflict and becomes so weakened it is overtaken by some outside power(s) that become the new nation (or nations as the case may be).

    One thing I am certain of is that we are not going to remain what we are or go back to what we have been in the past.

    Anyone see any other possible outcomes or resolutions I may be missing?

  16. Jim in Jersey says:

    Always good to remember, we’re talking about an invasion here, not immigration. People storming your border by the tens of thousands is not ‘immigration’.

    Try it in any other country in the world and let me know your fate.

  17. the blame-e says:

    We are letting our own humanity destroy us.

    Watch the movie “Apocalypse Now.” Marlon Brando’s character said it best. If you are fighting guerillas then you become the biggest guerilla out there. His idea was to become bigger guerillas than the Viet Cong. He took his men and went rogue, disappeared into the jungles. He showed no mercy. Paved a path of blood and death across Southeast Asia.

    The lesson here? We must become what we most fear. Make all wars total wars. Show the world “the horror” of total war and they will stop this nonsense. War (“the horror”), is the price we pay for peace.

    We carpet bomb (with fuel-air MOABs), beginning at the US / Mexican border and don’t stop until we get to the Panama Canal. Women and children be damned. Excess breeding stock that must be removed so that the United States and the west can live. Bet we see a complete cessation of illegal immigration on our southern border.

    We gather up the unelected, rogue billionaires, declare them enemies of the people; enemies of the state. We confiscate all their assets; strip them of their passports and visas, and give them a choice — deportation to a country of our choice, or public execution. George Soros is a Hungarian Nazi sympathizer. Why is he still alive?

    We stop giving things back. If we invade a country and win then we keep the country. Iraq. Syria. Panama. Grenada. Germany. No armies of occupation. We wipe the local populations out.

    Israel is hated because the Jews are hated. Both are hated for their humanity. This is why Pittsburg happened. Israel will fail because the Jews won’t do what is necessary: wipe out the Palestinians. Their humanity will be their downfall. They won’t do what is necessary. Think their enemies will show them “mercy” when they are waist deep in the ocean? This is why we hate the Jews: for their humanity. Their weakness. The world hates weaklings.

    This is what we are now seeing at our southern border. An invading army that doesn’t even respect us enough to bear arms. The United States (and the West) has become that big a universal coward. The world despises cowards.

    • Frank Thoughts says:

      I miss carpet bombing (sad face)!

      I agree wars should be final and fought with overwhelming force. That is actually the most humane outcome. Our current situation, where failed societies and civilisations are given free food and medicine so they are now over-breeding and soon will overwhelm us, is dumb in the extreme.

      The world has finite resources yet countries in Africa have populations that are five times or more what they were just 3 decades ago. But there isn’t a single functioning African country. They are all either totally dysfunctional or kept propped up with the UN and aid.

      We need to get those B-52s out of the cob webs and fire them up. A higher civilisation has no choice but to use its best weapons to defend itself. The border is where that fight now needs to be fought.

  18. Roger D says:

    Re. ‘the caravan’
    Mexico allowed them into Mexico. They are Mexico’s problem.

    They absolutely need to be prevented from crossing the US border with the least amount of force required. Forget ‘returning’ them. Stop them in the first place! THEY will determine what that level of force is.

  19. Most of us on this site are now targeted for “elimination”. If you are white and believe in borders, sovereignty, patriotism, etc…you are a “WHITE NATIONALIST”. And you MUST be eliminated.
    Their coming for us. We had better wake up fast….the Jews in Nazi Germany saw it coming too. They were unarmed, complacent, and isolated. Then they were eventually “eliminated”. The time for them to stand up was when the first decree came down and jews were not allowed in a public park, or swimming pool. But they didn’t stand up….neither are we. Typing on a keyboard, or occasionally showing up at a rally ain’t gonna do it.
    What will we do when that first decree is handed down.???
    Ponder that…..

    • Frank Thoughts says:

      Agree: people of white European heritage are a unique culture group and need to self-identify and stop apologising for living. And it is clear they are deliberately shutting white people down economically and throwing them out of the universities so they can’t get an education. These things always start soft but the time will come when white people will discover (as they have in South Africa) they are now the poor and laughed at. At that point they will be described as scum etc. and it isn’t too far until it is justified to do worse to them.

    • Norrak says:

      WE, the white people of this nation, need to come out in great numbers in a peaceful demonstration to show our unity and strength. It needs to be done now, but we lack leadership to organize this show of unity and determination. It needs to be such a large group as to awe the world with their presence and to create fear in the snowflakes, Antifa, MSM, and our own government. Now who among you wants to plan this show of unity of the white man? How will we communicate in an effort to bring this about? Speak up here’s your chance to walk the walk, since you’ve done the talk.

    • Anonymous says:

      JJ, you are correct.
      — Quite Weapons of Genocide for Quite Wars
      Technology and Law Enforcement assets are what is used.

      How you are rounded up and killed quitely:
      You get pulled over for alleged violation. Or license plate recognition database flags attention to you because you are on list. Your name is in Police computer database.

      Cop does not even have to know about the genocide system.
      He just does as told by database. Database says Arrest Warrant. He arrests you. “Just doin his job.”

      Once you are rounded up. Sent to jail. You are allowed: No phone call. No Bail.
      You are drugged by food/beverage served you in jail. Then you are taken in the back. Your human organs are removed harvested for black market sale. Your human organs are worth a lot of money. You are worth more dead than alive. Kidney, liver, heart, eyes, etc.

      Then your ID is spoofed. All your bank accounts assets are cleaned out. Credit cards ran up. Retirement and social security checks sent to the correctional facility. But you are dead. So your funds are used by those within the genocide scheme.

      By the way. Your family/friends will never find you because your actual name is not listed in entry logs. You are listed as John Doe.

      By the way.
      This is Happening NOW. For years.
      —–
      * Harvey County Correctional Facility
      * Newton, Kansas
      * Newton is Located 60 miles north of Wichita Kansas.
      —–
      Americans have been murdered there for many many years.
      Assets confiscated
      And their ID’s are issued to illegals. These illegals now can work for corporations with legal ID. (Beef Packers)
      Question is: Are these illegals with the dead Americans ID also soldiers for a Leftist Army being built?

      Or are the ID’s issued and the illegals infiltrate positions of authority in US. How many foriegniers do you often see who are non europeans but have very european names?

      Holman Square in Chicago is doing some of this too. It is a Black site where Americans are being murdered. No due process. No lawyer. No bail.

      Again, No US law enforcement agency will do anything to stop this Genocide. Quite Weapons for Quite Wars, and YOU are considered the enemy.

      Always have cell phone charged and on your person. When pulled over by any cop. ALWAYS call Family and Friends, give them your location and the jurisdiction entity that is pulling you over. If you allow that cop to get you out of a vehicle without you getting out your phone call. You very well may never be seen again. You will be dissappeared.

      That is happening in USA. Has been for years.

  20. Prepare for immigrants? Really? My congressional district in Illinois is 73% Hispanic. We’ve already let in at least 100 million since 1965. Prepare for immigrants? We let in 3 million per year, every year. This is weaponized immigration. It is in fact demographic genocide of us. Act accordingly.

  21. Anon says:

    Uh, something I don’t see mentioned at all is the fact that thanks, at least in part, to the pope and his crew the next wave of “immigrants” is being birthed as we type to head north asap.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Prepare to defend yourselves the dems are trying to breed the white out of you
    Maybe not this year but give it millions more and 20 years
    In 1990s I didn’t see one South American now there are thousands
    Along with their own grocery stores and restaurants
    It’s a shame what has happened to this nation I am afraid that there is only one way to stop it and turn it all around

  23. Beaumont says:

    Tent cities and diminished liberties, for populists. Globalist inspectors pass through, and offer suggestions, which probably have to be followed, in order to receive IMF funding. Actually, we have modernday, working examples, which teach us what to expect.

    The reason why crass, brown people are treated like a canary in a coal mine, is that citizenship is revocable, under Obama’s NDAA. Anyoe’s legal personhood could be taken away, to traffic them, like in the “Gulag Archipelago”.

    If you are not mortified and a vulgar opportunist, requisitions will be posted, publicly. The misery of others is a business opportunity, and you don’t claim to like these people.

    I highly suggest that you try not to look homeless, insane, or indebted, criminally. Saying it, in an armchair kind-of way, as a matter of common sense.

  24. Frank Thoughts says:

    The sad fact is this: as the population has grown, so has the informal sector in the economy and the labor exploitation. In Africa, there is still slavery but it is usally either black on black or Arab on black. Another practice is also for African politicians to ‘capture’ people through the prison system and then to use them as a private, free work force for their pet projects (often funded by international aid). That is the new form of slavery and it is spreading fast.

    In Europe, most of the human trafficking networks are run by these groups. They are always catching somebody who has kept a slave for years in their house, while the married couple hold down good jobs with the government. Same thing happens with the UN’s employees.

  25. Jakartaman says:

    Unfortunately we have 1/2 of our USA population as liberal fruit cakes. They voted for the American Hating Obama TWICE.
    These white suburban women are just nuts cases and then you have the Minority plantation folks, the Hollywood kooks and the Communist enemy of the people the MSM.

    GOD bless Trump for being the sane adult in the room and fighting all these nuts.
    He needs help VOTE NOV. 6TH for your future and mine

  26. Kevin Smith says:

    did anyone see the stephen king movie dream catcher?

  27. 21Bravo says:

    I see only one course of action…. BUY MORE AMMO….!!!

    I think we are going to need it….

    To me these migrants are nothing more than cannon fodder for CWII…..

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