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    Presidential Meeting Signals Catastrophic Event: “There Is a Crisis Unfolding Somewhere in the Background”

    Mac Slavo
    August 21st, 2013
    SHTFplan.com
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    If there’s one thing we know about how the US government operates, it’s that the American people are often the last to know about serious problems that may be taking place behind the scenes.

    This week, in a move that has spooked a lot of economic and financial analysts, President Barack Obama held a special, closed door meeting with the heads of the U.S. government’s financial, monetary and oversight agencies. It included members of the Federal Reserve, the FDIC, the CFTC, the SEC, and the Federal Housing Finance Agency.

    This has left many wondering what is really going on – and if a serious event is about to take place yet again.

    I guess I’m always unnerved as a result of what happened in April, the last time the President of the United States had a meeting with all of the bank heads, and two days later the price of gold was smashed for over $200.

    Now, the President is meeting with all of the heads of the various agencies, institutions, the Fed, and all of the other key money entities in the United States today.  What’s that all about?

    But clearly if the President is having this meeting, there is a crisis unfolding somewhere in the background, and it could very well relate to the dollar, interest rates, and the massive derivatives market associated with interest rates…

    This surge in interest rates may have already seriously destabilized the entire financial system, and that’s why there is this meeting taking place in the White House today.  The fact is that the vast majority of derivatives in the global financial system are related to interest rates.

    Now, the entire financial system may be on the precipice of some sort of catastrophic event unfolding because of what we have already seen in the bond market, and how the derivatives are so heavily intertwined.  Meaning, we may be on the verge of another disastrous derivatives meltdown.

    John Embry – King World News via Steve Quayle

    Ahead of the 2008 collapse, as the pillars of our financial system were undergoing a controlled detonation, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve assured us the crisis had been contained. Experts and pundits on television were screaming to investors that everything was fine and to keep buying the dips.

    Behind the scenes, however, President Bush, the Federal Reserve, and the world’s leading financial institutions were scrambling to figure out how to keep the whole thing from falling apart. As former US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson noted, we were on the brink of a historic collapse, and they knew it well ahead of time.

    The American people were not as fortunate. Most of us came to the realization things had taken a turn for the worse only after 50% of our wealth had been wiped out in a stock market and housing crash.

    Today, like before, all of the experts in Washington and the mainstream media are making a point to reassure us that we are in the midst of an economic recovery. However, key economic indicators suggest otherwise. We are seeing a plunge in global shipping, a halt in consumer spending, and perhaps most importantly, a significant rise in interest rates and the US government’s borrowing costs.

    Now, as the President meets with a veritable who’s who of government finance, lending and monetary policy one can’t help but think something is amiss.

    Are we on the brink of another global disaster?

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      • Rodster says:

        You can only keep the Ponzi Scheme which is built on “lies, deceit, fraud and theft” going so long before it implodes.

        The bubbles these criminals have created to artificially sustain the economy will bite in the ass when it all comes crashing down. But then again maybe these criminals are doing all of this on purpose. ;)

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        • DRD5508 says:

          The meeting was probably to find out who the next ‘Whistle Blower’ will be and how to slam and blame he/she in the msm.

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          • or they are orchestrating the next False Flag, CIA ops..2nd amendment grab , terrorist threat..etc..take your pick

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            • Outlaw says:

              Where is Durango Kid, he was just blowin yesterday or so about how car sales were up and this indicated a healthy economy…

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              • Facebook Page says:

                No money down car loans did that and many people using cash to buy high end ones. Rather have a nice car than lose all my money in the back is the attitude.

                Also is Obama red line ever going to be enforce.
                He only made it because he was sure he would not be tested. I could care less about what happens to Syria. But he has now made us even look weaker than we already did.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Outlaw: Here I am. I just plugged in. Haven’t even had time to catch the news today as I have been very busy. Car sales and the other indicators I mentioned ARE good measures of an improving economy.

                Improving yes, but far from the place that the economy should be four years into a “recovery”. O’bummer is a fool, but he is not an idiot and he wants to be sure that the economy is blowing and glowing by Mid Terms. As it is WE are precariously close to slipping into a Second Leg down.

                There are structural problems within the financial system that stem from the removal of the Glass-Stegall Act some years ago, that with the lack of proper oversight by government officials, has failed to address these weaknesses since the crash.

                A move has been afoot in Congress by Senators Warren and McLame to re-introduce a new GS Act. There are also a lot of behind the scenes manuvering regarding the appointment of a new FED Chairman. My take is that O’bummer is trying to 1) avoid a second leg down, from which it would be harder to recover; 2) Lay the ground work for Rules and Regs for the re-introduction of GS; and 3) Develop a consensus on a new FED Chairman and the way forward for a financial re-structuring.

                By getting all of these “stakeholders” in the room together to develop a “consensus” he can blame the “committee” if their recommendations fail.

                Engage! :-)

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                • Well done DK,

                  I’m curious as to why the hoopla over a meeting of financial insiders. You all know Bernake is out and the next insider needs to be picked. Hence the meeting (I mean bidding).

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                • bbrrrp says:

                  you are a moron, propaganda kid, the economy is teetering on total destruction, any day now this whole system is going down, you are an Idiot

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                • itisallbs says:

                  Glass-Stegall, Shmlass-Stegall. The removal of the restrictions caused by that Act, which was put into place after the Great Depression, did not cause the economic issues we find ourselves in now, nor did its enactment solve the issues of the Great Depression. Additionally, the initial institutions that failed, triggering this economic meltdown, were investment institutions only.

                  Expecting there to be “proper government oversight” is a pipe dream. Why do people keep on expecting the government to watch their investments for them. These are YOUR investments, it is your job to watch over the bank or financial institution that has your money. When we expect the government to do our job for us, we lose our rights.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  itsallbs: No? The withdrawal of GS in the late 80′s allowed the GB’s to become too big to fail.

                  But if you don’t believe that, why don’t you ‘plain to me and all the folks here what the problems are? And how to fix them since you know so much.

                  We are all waiting. :-)

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                • FarmerJohn says:

                  The Economy will never be what it was during its hay day! The New era is here and this generation will have to do with a lot less. No economy will be healthy without a middle class and it is gone! Destroyed, Next will be the the US economy, the empire as those in previous history always fall, they never look back and learn. You can not have fronts of aggression all over the world and expect to survive. Nature itself will not allow it or tolerate it and economically it cannot sustain the cost of operations. Lets do a reality check and throw the books out the window. Unemployment is at 23% and rising. When do you have a meeting with all your people, when the SHTF or is about to.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Farmer John: The demographics are over for a consumer society in America as the population is aging and saving now instead of spending; and it has been over for some time.

                  The Gangster Banksters saw it coming, stole the economy by shipping it offshore where there was consumer demand, crashed the banks and collected the insurance from US as they bankrupted their businesses and pushed them over the cliff in 2008/2009.

                  The economy will be flat for some time. The GB’s are still draining the wealth from the economy via QE as that program is all about the Banks and not about stimulating the economy; and by wars of crony capitalism to spread their tennacles over the globe using the American war machine and taxpayer funds to push their Agenda.

                  Anyone looking for someone else to provide their paycheck and support their family will be pissing in the wind. When the going gets tough the tough get going. Reach back and grab your ass folks or bend over and grab your ankles. It’s your choice.

                  Engage your employees or be made economic serfs by them. :-)

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                • itisallbs says:

                  First of all DK, you should get your facts straight. If you actually paid attention to the events around economic issues you would know that GS was repealed in 1999, and not the 80s.

                  Second, I can’t give all the answers, no one can, but I can provide a few: 1) remove the dollar from its fiat status, and have it backed by something with value (most would suggest gold), better would be to just use that backing substance as currency. 2) Remove the Federal Reserve’s ability to arbitrarily set interest rates, this would mostly be taken care of in the first step. This would allow interest rates to more accurately relate to people whether they should save or spend. 3) Get the government out of the way. Removing restricting laws, such as Sarbanes-Oxley, will allow for innovation and creativity to play a larger part in growing an economy. There are a few ideas, I can provide more if you desire.

                  Third, since you seem convinced that “too big to fail” exists, can you provide some detail as to what point does a company become “too big to fail.” Also, explain why the collapse of Enron, at the time one of the largest energy companies in the world, did not result in a massive energy crisis. An explanation of how the repeal of GS resulted in “too big to fail” would be in order as well, considering Lehman Bros. and Goldman Sachs were investment banks only.

                  All for now, hope that gives you some fun in the morning.

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Itsallbs: I have addressed a gold back dollar here many times. Under Free Trade the wealth of America has been transferred offshore: first OUR factories and now OUR dollars.

                  If the dollar were backed by gold, OUR gold (if there’s any in Ft Knox)would follow OUR dollars offshore as it did in the 70′s when Nixon cut the cord.

                  Until there is a Fair Trade System in place globally, backing dollars with gold would be a huge mistake. As it is China is holding paper and OUR promise to pay; not OUR gold.

                  American workers are the most productive in the world. In a Fair Trade system jobs would flow to the USA.
                  Second and Third world countries are undercutting American productivity with manipulated currencies and cheap labor.

                  Sarbane-Oxley is the result of the Enron FRAUD. When management is held liable for company reporting, as they should be, there is more transparency for investors. This transparency in American corporations is one of the major reason that OUR markets are so prosperous. Investors have some assurance that the analysis they make and the risk they take has some fundamental basis in fact.

                  I do not personally believe that companies can be “too BIG too fail”, but the Gangster banksters would like you to believe so.

                  Glass-Stegall allowed the Commercial Banks to merge retail banking and investment banking operations under one roof. With that change the GB’s had access to trillions of dollars of depositor funds with which to gamble in the financial markets, and they did.

                  Goldman Sachs sought refuge so that they could access the FED window and borrow tens of billions of dollars, line up for the TARP bailout money, and benefit from QE for all of the toxic assets that they held and had sold to unsuspecting investors. Without the ability to borrow money and buy the toxic assets back, Goldman Sacks would have been sued into oblivion.

                  Hope that helps to ‘plain things for you. :-)

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                • itisallbs says:

                  Ok DK, you and I agree on one thing: we both do not think there is any gold in Ft. Knox or the NY Reserve Bank. I do have to apologize, I am new to this sight and have not read all of your previous posts on a return to the gold standard (just so you know, I am not advocating a new gold standard if the Fed is still in existence). If the US is the most productive country in the world then gold would not flow out of the US, but rather back into the country, assuming tariffs (high or low) are not put into place.

                  I am trying to figure out your argument here: in one stance you say that the removal of GS resulted in “too big to fail,” and thus GS should be re-instated. Then you say that “too big to fail” doesn’t exist, which would then make a new GS irrelevant. So which is it. I like having intellectual debates, but it is very difficult when one does not make consistent arguments.

                  Also, when you state that Goldman Sachs was just seeking TARP money and QE money, you confirm my 2nd point, so thank you. TARP and QE money would not be possible without interest rates that are arbitrarily set by the Federal Reserve. No one in their right mind would have “lent” money to GS or Lehman Bros. in 2008, without a ridiculously high interest rate.

                  As far as the US having the most prosperous markets…really? The DJIA has a return of ~17% from 2007-2013, against a 12.7% inflation rate (CPI) over that same period, for an annual return of less than 1%. Also, Sarbanes-Oxley clearly has not protected the markets from crashes, so much for increased “transparency.”

                  I would like to read what this Fair Trade System is; and is this fair trade system actually fair to others, or is it just advantageous for the US. It would also be entertaining to read what your solutions are, as you seem to enjoy telling others they are wrong (poor arguments aside), but you don’t seem to have any ideas of your own.

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              • Joe Pell says:

                Sound like the calm B4 the storm.

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            • Thorin says:

              A+

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              • Them Guys says:

                DK: The final act to get rid of GS was done by Klinton in his final Hours as prez. If I recall right the two senators who pushed passage of that end to GS was one dem and that repub senator from texas. Phill Grahm is it(?)

                So the final end to glsss steagle was in 2000 as Klinton left for good as Prez. he also signed a ton almost 200 Pardons for various swindlers and kommies like Marc Rich etc as the Klinton going away present to evil banksters and evil leftist kommie fund raisers.

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          • ItIsWellWithMySoul says:

            Or maybe its a meeting to talk about starting a world war over Syria and if it will boost the economy and create more.jobs by doing so. Just a thought.

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            • Dick says:

              Itis

              Don’t forget the population reduction.

              CATI

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              • Mensa Graham says:

                This is one time I sincerely hope the military will take out the federal government.

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                • They were in there watching “Doomsday Preppers

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                • Tucker says:

                  And, I hope – if they do – that they do not allow the Bush Crime Family to escape to their planned hideout down in Paraguay.

                  Same goes for Cheney and every last member of the neo-con cabal who were complicit in 9-11 and the ensuing war crimes and mass murders that occurred in the wars that followed.

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                • We cant advocate the violation of the constitution as a way to save it…it clearly states the military shall at all times be in submission to the civil authority…gotta think!

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              • Mountain Trekker says:

                Dick,Anthrax will take care of that. Trekker Out.

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            • Kulafarmer says:

              They are probly comparing golf scores over the vacation,
              Buncha fuckin asshats

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            • Tanya says:

              You don’t need the Fed people and the SEC people and the Fed Housing people in a room to talk about war. You need the Joint Chiefs, intelligence, and the State Department. Looks like a big finance move to me.

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            • troll killer says:

              if it means getting rid of every ass hole Muslim then i am all for wiping Syria off the map. just unleash a crap load of drones. and arm them with hell fire missiles and problem solved!! Egypt Syria Iran can any one out there name ONE country that truly likes us other then Israel!. and they only like us because we give them fighters and small arms
              which they really don’t need ( in the short run an uzi is much better ) small light and in 3 round bursts very effective and 9mm is easy too reload about 2,500 rounds from 1 pound of powder.( depending on the Charge 2.4 too 2.8 grains of 700x powder ) approx 5,000 grains in 1 lb

              all of our meddling in the middle east for the last 60 plus years has gotten us NOTHING but BS. everyone hates us and we give billions and billions and what do we really get in return??

              sure we get oil but we have enough oil under the US too last 100 plus years. even longer if you get rid of all the stinking semi trucks clogging up the free ways.

              we need too get away from long haul trucking and get back too more localized manufacturing. where all you need are small box trucks to haul stuff to Rail Road yards.

              you would put more people back too work and create lots of small Manf areas. reduce the grid lock and make more stuff in the U.S.A..

              we used too make great things and millions had jobs but then we got in this death spiral with China and were about too lose Big time. we all know that we CAN NEVER !! ever pay back all the money we owe China and they Know it too and that’s what there counting on

              the ultimate goal is get away from buying junk from china and stop buying oil from the Saudis who hate us.

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              • EVONE says:

                OMG you cannot be serious.. We cannot and should not wipe any country off the map. The common people just want to live and raise their families just like we do. We are all flesh and blood. We all deep in our hearts want peace. We have had our Stinky Big Ass Noses, in their business for what seems forever. We need to pull all our military out of all foreign land and live and let live. The Middle East, has been fighting amongst themselves for centuries upon centuries. Nothing we could ever do would stop that, so we need to bring our men home and save our country. The People in the Middle East and probably all over the world have heard horrendous things about us which are mostly true, but it is not us per say, it is our Government as it is their governments that do all the horrific atrocities, and we the people suffer. Please try to separate the people from their governments, we are not one in the same.

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                • A lot of what he said made sense but that “let’s get rid of every last one of those [insert ethnic/religious group here]” type talk was the dead fly in the ointment.

                  We are manipulated into thinking that way as well, and really need to stop it.

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          • Paranoid says:

            you guys just don’t understand, Whole issue is his money to approve the pipeline hasn’t cleared and he wants to know why.

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            • FarmerJohn says:

              Did someone explain to him that it would exceed the budget or it was bundled with some derivatives and they are about to ballooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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        • Mr. Blutarsky says:

          This collapse will be WAY worse than 2008. The American people and businesses are still recovering and still skittish after 2008. In 2008, many businesses just continued on as normal – spending, investing, planning for the future.

          This time they will enter panic mode and spending will slam to a stop – with trickles felt all the way up & down the social statuses.

          Government workers, companies who sell the the govt and govt welfare dependents will fare the best at first – nothing will change for them right away. But it will eventually trickle to them as well. That’s when things will get REAL bad.

          It’s going to be ugly. It is so sad. I want things to stay as they should be, not like this.

          I feel cheated.

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            • P Tu says:

              RICH99
              if you see anything positive in the current economic climate or in the general welfare of this country then please state it so. If you don’t have anything to say then please stay off the site so the rest of us can have a discussion about how to deal with the up coming crisis in this country.

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              • braveheart says:

                P TU, thank you. I was considering the same thing you did, but that’s OK. most people here are tired of his crap but just haven’t said so yet.

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                • TheGuy says:

                  OOOO SPEND IT

                  SPEND IT SPEND IT SPEND IT NAO NAO NAO NAO NAO!

                  23%…

                  You’ve done a lot of business with these boys in the past I take it. Carried a balance with them for a long ass time instead of paying it off, and always made your minimum payments on time, right?

                  I know because I was like that too… and I still get CC offers by the metric boatload to this very day.

                  No thank you. Oh… correction… NO PLEASE.

                  Moo.

                  Cash cow.

                  Moo for your creditors like a good cash cow.

                  You’re free fucking money to them, why do you THINK they increased you???

                  They’d be doing that to a lot of moo cows about now. What they WON’T do is extend credit to bad or unknown risks.

                  Ovbvious man is obvious.

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                • Sigi says:

                  Nobody debates you because you don’t debate, you just blast insults and nonsense. You don’t even comprehend what we write in response to you; my last interaction with you being a prime example. If you ever engaged in a coherant and reasoned manner it would be worth addressing you further. However, as things stand, this is the last time I address you at all.

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            • Gonetoolong says:

              We don’t want doom and gloom. I do want this wussified, punk ass, materialistic, feel fucking good, head-in-the-sand, immoral, spoiled-assed, touchy-feely, metrosexualaized, anti-god, sorry-assed politician run, society of ours to get a big dose of REALITY. This does necessarily mean some pain for most of us. Me included. It will lead us back to a better, more unified country far from now. So in that sense, I do want to see change and it will be gloomy for many.

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            • Iowa says:

              Rich:

              Eat My Shorts.

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            • Rodster says:

              We don’t want it anymore of the SHTF as much as you do. Unlike you, we know what the end game is to all of this crap. So we are preparing for the inevitable and getting ready for the shit your side caused and are defending.

              Tell me you’re not glued to the TV set when a bad ass hurricane or some other natural disaster is heading your way? I don’t enjoy hurricanes as much as the next person but I want to be ready.

              And the lame stream media is doing such a bang up job exposing all of this shit instead of giving us the latest on the Royal Baby. [insert sarcasm]

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            • jerrytbg says:

              No rich… we want small government based on the principals our Founding Fathers envisioned…
              And we shall have it…one way or another.

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                • jerrytbg says:

                  I rarely respond to the likes of you and you obviously don’t know who I am…

                  I’m the one who advocates restraint…

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                • Archivist says:

                  Have you ever been unemployed for months and got down to eating chicken bologna sandwiches three times a day? I have, then the refrigerator quit, and I had to switch to peanut butter sandwiches three times a day. This was near the end of Jimmy Carter’s reign of incompetence.

                  anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax

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            • JustMe says:

              I’m still hoping for an early asteroid strike :)

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              • RICH99 says:

                Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Archivist: It got so bad for me once, waiting for the every two weeks unemployment check day to arrive, with several days left to wait. The guy I rented a room from then, was also in same boat no money waiting unemployment check also, we searched entire crib for food to eat!

                He found 1/2 Jar miricle whip, and I found 1/2 box of Old stale dry CAT Food!…He went first, tasted dry cat food…Said “Not too bad basically dry crunchy and almost tasteless yet kinda fishy taste!”…Then I tested the miricle whip to see if it was spoiled. Nope still was good to eat!

                We then Mixed that 1/2 box dry cat food with a few tablespoons miricle whip and Feasted!

                Then no sooner did we finish the cat food meal…A couple chicks stopped by to say hello etc and seen is finsihing the last bites so them girls offered to buy a few groceries for us till checks came in!

                Wish them two girls would have come over 15 minits sooner eh!…You get real hungry and even dry cat food is good to eat. Cats like it right! Stores for Years also!

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          • KY Mom says:

            “In the lead-up to the next FOMC meeting on September 17-18, there are some significant developments regarding the outlook for the Fed and monetary policy between then and now that everyone should be paying attention to…”

            September 9 – “The COMMUNICATION BLACKOUT PERIOD in advance of the FOMC meeting goes into effect at midnight. During the day on Monday will be the last chance for any public remarks from policymakers. If a Fed official should make public comments for the following 10 days, he/she will avoid the topic of monetary policy.”

            ZeroHedge dot com

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          • SilverSax says:

            Mr. Blutarsky, I sympathize with your feelings. America was founded with a free-market capitalist economy. It was so obviously the right thing that no one thought of institutionalizing it by including it in the Constitution. The wicked liberals have always known that the way to bring America down was to introduce socialism. They knew that the worthless, lazy ne’er-do-wells among us would embrace socialism like a child hoping for Santa Claus.
            It worked.

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          • Mensa Graham says:

            My daughter’s dance business did just what you said. And as you said they won’t be sitting idly by if a downturn of any sort happens again. They were stuck quite badly back then. It won’t happen again.

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          • durango kidd says:

            Mr B: You have been cheated. Every American has been cheated by the NWO Globalists who have stolen OUR economy and shipped it offshore with the approval and the collusion of Congress.

            FREE TRADE has real costs. Detroit the perfect example. If We do not engage OUR employees, they will continue to systematically impoverish US and enslave US, one Rule, Regulation, or Executive Order at a time! :-)

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            • John W. says:

              The country cannot generate enough income to keep going without massive deficit spending. That is not going to change, the only unknown is when will debt service consume every tax dollar and then some. An economy which is now mostly low wage part time jobs cannot maintain a first world level of comfort. Maybe that is why they are in such a hurry to import millions of third world rif raf.

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            • FarmerJohn says:

              Kidd, don’t look now but that has already happened

              Get out a sheet of paper and do not lie to yourself.
              On the one side list all the things that you think are wrong with this government and I do not mean the country.
              On the other side list all the things that are good with this government and I do not mean the country.

              I already know the answer but then again I am not in your shoes. I have no debt, credit cards etc and I am self employed.

              I am not a slave to the banker are YOU?

              The government has been bankrupt since 1938 and you are owned by your creditors as is the congress, the president and you, Thanks to the Corporation of the United States.

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          • EVONE says:

            I work for Ross and have done so just about 3 months. I have seen it so busy that we could barely keep up and now it has come to a stand still. Even the people who do come in rarely spend more then 20 dollars. Our hours have been severely cut. We are all reeling trying to figure out what to do. We can’t possible live on 12 hours a week. Even the people that were there since the store opened are getting the same hours that I am. Seriously we are in for a very big drop and not sure who is going to be able to survive. We are in serious trouble and all ya hear is the economy is great and getting better. Will I see what is going on first hand and it ain’t pretty folks get prepared seriously!

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        • reedeep says:

          Sam Adams said there are two ways to defeat and enslave a nation, one is by force, the other is by debt. The clowns in power have the debt path in mind but they are not above the force method either. That is why the bought billions of hollow-point rounds, and gave all of your money to the bankers. Welcome to your new plantation slaves.

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          • FarmerJohn says:

            Reedeep and how many hollow points did you buy?
            You see some of us really have been awake for a long time and have prepared for the day. The only person that can be a slave is a person that allows it and submits too it. Guess the Egyptians decided its better to die then it is to be a slave and so far its been a 30 year battle for them and I have to admire their determination to get it right! Maybe we all should consider ourselves to be AMERICANS first since our country really needs us to defend it NOW! It’s been HIGH JACKED FROM WITHIN!

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        • maudy fricket says:

          Truth is treason in the land of lies.

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      • OutWest says:

        obama is so busy screwing all the people
        that moosechelle is getting chipped teeth
        from using the presidential vibrator.

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        • JayJay says:

          That isn’t why Moochelle uses the vibrator!!

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          • She’s a man

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            • Rodster says:

              Ester, you so ugly I can stick your face in dough and make Gorilla cookies.

              Fred Sanford

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              • wrong says:

                President Obama goes to a primary school to talk to the kids. After his
                talk he offers question time.

                One little boy puts up his hand, and Obama asks him his name.

                “Walter,” responds the little boy.

                “And what is your question, Walter?”

                “I have four questions:

                First, why did the USA bomb Libya without the support of the Congress?

                Second, why do you keep saying you fixed the economy when it’s actually
                gotten worse?

                Third, why did you say that Jeremiah Wright was your mentor, then said
                that you knew nothing about his preaching and beliefs?

                Fourth, why are we lending money to Brazil to drill for oil, but America
                is not allowed to drill for oil?”

                Just then, the bell rings for recess. Obama informs the kiddies that

                they will continue after recess.

                When they resume, Obama says, “OK, where were we? Oh, that’s right:
                question time. Who has a question?”

                Another little boy puts up his hand. Obama points him out and asks him
                his name.

                “Steve,” he responds.

                “And what is your question, Steve?”

                “Actually, I have two questions:

                First, why did the recess bell ring 20 minutes early?
                Second, what the fuck happened to Walter?”

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              • reedeep says:

                so ugly tears run down the back side of her head, to keep away from her face.

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        • Mensa Graham says:

          Moochelle doesn’t know what it feels to be laid by that boy.

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          • troll killer says:

            October 2, 2012.

            “TRINITY CHURCH MEMBERS REVEAL OBAMA SHOCKER!

            ‘Matchmaker’ Rev. Jeremiah Wright ‘provided cover for gays’”

            “Ten years ago, the New York Times reported on a growing underground subculture in the black community known as Down Low, comprised largely of men who secretly engage in homosexual activity while living “straight” lives in public.

            It’s within that subtext that opposition researchers for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign began investigating rumors that Rev. Jeremiah Wright was running a “matchmaking service” for members of his Trinity United Church of Christ known as the Down Low Club, which included Barack Obama.

            The Times said that while “there are black men who are openly gay, it seems that the majority of those having sex with men still lead secret lives, products of a black culture that deems masculinity and fatherhood as a black man’s primary responsibility – and homosexuality as a white man’s perversion.”

            The Down Low Club at Trinity “doesn’t have meetings, and it isn’t like the Rotary Club

            need more info just google Rev Wright and the down low club tells how MOOchelle was picked for Barack too hide his gay side

            that’s why he passed DaDt and domestic partnership in the military

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            • Them Guys says:

              products of a black culture that deems masculinity and fatherhood as a black man’s primary responsibility – and homosexuality as a white man’s perversion.”

              Riiiiiggggghht! For Proof of this primary responsibility in black communities just look at EVERY BRA(black run america) City where the fools reside!

              Everywheres one looks one can see nothing but Black Fathers hard at work raising families.(NOT!)

              So why does liberal kommies Always Blame FatherLESSness as an excuse for black “Yoots” Violent Criminals?

              Another piece of propaganda by lib NY times attempting to get whiteys to believe black families are so like whites. Just one happy “melting pot” of soup, where the main Added ingredient is MUD!(see Danial Ten toes of Iron mixed with clay/mud).

              Yeah a whitemans perversion? Is that why most every Fag leader-Fag promoters-Fag ‘rights” orgs-etc, all has Last names that end in…Stien-Berg-Goldman-Wien-Wein-etc etc?

              Thats Not a whiteman perversion..Yes they “Look” white but peer closer and see they aint whitemen.

              Typical lib kommie newspaper hit piece where it “appears” the story is about Blacks and Hobammy…But they just Must add in a couple well placed Hits against whiteys!

              That is the Prime reason for that artilce, to Bash whitemen under the Guise of a article on hobammy as a faggot.

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      • Forrest says:

        WarriorClass3, I read the book, “Crossing the Rubicon”, which tells how Russia collapsed: The Banksters (Mega Banks) in cahoots with crooked politicians, sent in a Trojan horse, in the form of a debt deal, which they knew would never be paid off. As collateral, all the country’s assets— revenue from oil, diamonds etc.– were put up. When the time for re-payment arrived, the Banksters simply confiscated all the country’s wealth.. and then some (lots of extras). Millions of Russians died, turned to cannibilism, prostitution, etc.

        Later, I noticed the same damn thing occurring in Greece and I commented on it… sure enough, all the experts said the same thing. And so, it spread from country to country– theft of each country’s wealth by crooked politicians and Banksters,

        Finally, I realized who paid for Obummer’s campaign as he ran for presidency… it was GOLDMAN SACHS AND OTHER BIG BANKSTERS. So, is it any wonder the condition our country is in??! Just read what happened to Russia when the Banks took over to see what we are in store for.. not pretty!

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      • possee says:

        Well well well..

        Gallup just reported that their official unemployment rate is 9%..up from 7.6 or whatever the diatribe is from the feds..

        Most of us know it’s actually in the 20% range given all the figures the feds leave out..that being said,we knew it all along folks..so this article just posted has credence at least..and what they’re not telling us..which is 99% withheld..surely the wheels have fallen off the wagon by now..

        the duct tape and bubblegum have worn off..

        get ready to rumble…

        possee

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        • KY Mom says:

          DHS employee preparing for coming race war…

          On his personal website, he “advocates the mass murder of white people” and “black supremacy.”

          Unbelievable! Yet, apparently he is still employed.

          The Atlantic Wire
          Also posted on Drudge Report

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          • Night breaker says:

            KY,
            WTF! Be cause of this assclowns any one working for the fed’s has to be real careful with what we post on our own time and our own computers. PLEASE if you browse on your computer at work be careful DO NOT use your work computer to post they are monitoring all commo now at work.

            ASK ME HOW I KNOW. OPSEC, OPSEC, OPSEC

            This is now getting really serious there have been many interdepartmental warnings about releasing information with official approval threatening severe consequences I had personally witnessed one individual being led out of the DHS operations office in handcuffs by the local Security Servicing Element recently. All I know he was a prepper and a critic of the current regime . This story could explain what is going down , there are many like this ass in the drudge story at DHS they are not professionals and have their possition because they knew someone in the regime to get their job. Nepotism is rampant in DHS and favoritism of a certain ethnic background. I try to keep my comments to myself at work and only speak to a trusted few .There are quite a few of us on the inside that do not plan to follow illegal orders and will warn others if this goes down like I think it will , we are as much in the dark as the rest of the people but the rumors are rampant. DHS is not one big happy family.

            SHTF IS REAL AND IT’S COMING

            I really fear we are getting very close to our fearless leader doing something incredibly stupid in the near future.

            Get all of your preps in order , train , be aware what is going on around you.

            I may have to go dark for a while . Trust me you really do not want to know how serious this is getting.

            RESIST

            Semper Fi 8541

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          • KY Mom says:

            Apparently, only whites can be considered racist.

            “A Department of Homeland Security employee, Ayo Kimathi, who works on, among other things, the procurement of guns and ammunition for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, spends his nights and weekends preparing for a coming race war and advocating for anti-gay causes.”

            “In addition to his involvement in the purchase of ICE supplies, Kimathi also had a public profile for the agency, speaking at vendor events. As “Irritated Genie,” Kimathi also has a public profile as a black supremacist advocate.”

            His site says, “warfare is eminent, and in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our christian hearts can possibly count.”

            http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/08/homeland-security-employee-moonlights-race-warrior/68600/

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            • Them Guys says:

              Sounds like Ayo the Raysis against Whiteys african apeman has learned his “Christianity” by such famous pastors such as Hobammys Rev Wright!

              For the last 100 yrs blacks have been taught what is now known as “Black Liberation Theology” only its called publically Christianity!

              Liberation theology has also been widly taught in Mexico(likely here too in kalif etc) and is based entirely upon the exact same ideals and teachings as Black or African “Liberation theology”….It is no more than Communisim Disguised as christianity.

              It teaches that ALL Non whites have been so badly shafted By whiteys, especially usa whiteys, that Now all Mexicans and Blacks not only have a god ordained right to Take from whiteys EVERYTHING that whites have, but to even Mass Genocide and Exterminate all usa whiteys!

              Be certain that the vatican’s jesuit hispanics played a huge role in this kommie false teaching, as well as in usa the NAACP which was invented-funded-began-Run by- about 6-Russian bolshevik jewish men as kommie agents sent by Moscow heads and early KGB back in the First decade of 1900 era.(NAACP opened officialy in 1909 if I recall right).

              The Main reason and Mission for the NAACP was for russian bolshevik kommies to come here to america, set up an Org, that can be used to Lure Black preachers into its organs, and then be taught “Liberation Theology” for Blacks.

              Those russian kommies figured it was too difficult to reach and teach tens of millions individual blacks. So they invented the NAACP, to Lure black pastors into it as members, then Teach those pastors, then send them Out to their “churches” across the usa nation and Teach it to Their church membership folks!(one trained pastor=1000 more trained spitefull hate filled blacks).

              It is Pure kommie bolshevik jewish hatred of Whites and white christians, and designed to Foment vast hatred of whites by Blacks and Mexicans too.

              Thats Always the main method kommie bolsheviks use to foment Revolutions. Be it Racial animosity and hate, or hate of wealthy by the Poor folks class.

              It worked to Destroy France in the french revolution, the usa in the Civil war era, and of course Russia 1918 era! and was attempted in Germany wwii era, but the german folks awoke and halted the kommies in germany. If usa never went to wwii, or joined forces with anticommies in germany, today we would not need discuss such agendas as so few kommies be alive today it would be near non existant.

              And Now its Americas Turn! Bolshevik/zionist Kommies have spent 100 yrs draining usa wealth and resources, dumbed down whiteys, and Trained thru naacp and black preachers a massive huge force of animalistic minded, violently trained, thug african blacks as well as millions of mexicans to hate and exterminate every last whitey in the usa and steal all we own.

              Do not discount this as fear or goofy prepper idreas etc.

              It is Real, and one look see at how swell this kommie takeover plan functioned in 1918 russia is all the Proof one needs.

              Tens of Millions of white entire families were Butchered and some taken captive to Gulags in sibieria regions as slave labor. All They owned, farms, homes, personal possessions etc were Then given lock stock and barrel to Fellow Jewish russian kommies to now possess and Own.

              After Russia, they again did it to Germans at end of WWII.

              Millions of Innocent Non nazi party german folks were taken as slave labor to France, and all they owned, homes etc were given to Hoards of polish and russian jews who flooded into germany at wars end. That was the Main thing that awoke General Patton to the True reasons usa went in to WWII etc.

              If we let us be disarmed…Its Over. for whiteys that is.

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            • no justice says:

              Hope he uses that .40 calibre ammo wisely, he might be good (and lucky) out to 100 yards.

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        • troll killer says:

          possee

          and how about how they adjust the rate for “seasonal conditions ”

          most know that the majority of people have long since given up looking.and or are working under the table for cash AND collecting welfare and or unemployment

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      • Thanks for this one Mac.
        It confirms what “little birdy” said …
        That last meeting back in April, (afterwards, gold was trashed over $200 /oz.) confirmed that gold is still the international currency and ultimate settlement of accounts, period. The Game can’t go on any further than our enemies allow if the the state of the gold markets is true…

        Timing is perfect too.

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      • Forrest says:

        Was reading about Fukishema nuclear debacle last night at Mike Rupppert”s radio website, “Lifeboat Hour–08/18/13″ Didn’t have time to hear it all but sounds like we’re done for, according to scientists interviewed. Guess this explains the elites frantic attempts to build underground shelters and/or move to South America.

        According to the scientists, we should have stopped consuming fish 2 years ago, just after the tsunami did severe damage to the nuclear facitlities… this is much, much worse than Charnobyl and its coming our way– the Northern Hemisphere. We did it to them (with nuclear bombs), guess we’re getting it back.

        When the Japanese govt issues a level 3 alert for the world (as it did yesterday) then it must be a much higher level than that.

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        • Sigi says:

          Nice try to change the subject, but we’re talking financial disasters here. Meanwhile it’s Chernobyl which happened in Ukraine; far fewer people have died from it than originally expected. I happen to believe it is the Slavic diet which helps- lots of cabbage, garlic, and sunflower seeds/oil. The combination of cruciferous veggies and sunflower oil is a powerful cancer-fighter. Also, germane to this conversation, it’s very budget friendly to eat like a Slav, especially since these particular plants grow well in home gardens. Sunflowers have the added advantage of detoxifying soil from nuclear contamination.

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      • Forrest says:

        Since we now live in a lawless country (no longer have the protection of the Constitution), I imagine what will happen is that people will eventually start taking the law into their own hands. When you have a maffia-run government and enough people realize it, they become lawless too.

        How do you defeat the maffia? I’m not sure– perhaps some maffia film buffs will know. But in places like Mexico, where the government refuses/cannot defeat the Maffia, the People have begun forming gangs themselves and fighting back. Our problem, of course, is that the government itself is the maffia.

        They openly stated they are at war against us but we don’t fight back. They’re destroying our whole f– planet but we still don’t fight back. On Mike Ruppert’s radio website, Lifeboat Hour, they talk of this and how we’re almost at the end of our rope. I do know this: once the spark has been lit, then everyone else will join in too because we can’t hardly take it anymore.

        To truly understand the power of the People, please read about the Niger Delta and how the local people (with God on their side) took back what was theirs.

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        • Mojo says:

          How do we defeat a mafia? Simple, we stick them in a room with you and make them listen to your inane ramblings until they cry for mercy. Shouldn’t take much longer then 30 minutes.

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    1. wormdirt says:

      What’s wrong, Mr President? Financial bandaids aren’t keeping the flood in check?

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      • Be informed says:

        Now that there is a flase flag event that could cause World War 3 with Russia over Syria and then likely Iran, now there is this with the finances. Figures doesn’t it?
        I am waiting for the false flag some nationwide mass shooting to try to destroy the 2nd Amendment. There are very confusing and disturbing times. This song all too well expresses the SH^& that all of us are feeling.

        “The Land of Confusion” lyrics, “Genesis”

        I must’ve dreamed a thousand dreams
        Been haunted by a million screams
        But I can hear the marching feet
        They’re moving into the street.

        Now did you read the news today
        They say the dangers gone away
        But I can see the fires still alight
        There burning into the night.

        There’s too many men
        Too many people
        Making too many problems
        And not much love to go round
        Can’t you see
        This is the land of confusion.

        This is the world we live in
        And these are the hands we’re given
        Use them and lets start trying
        To make it a place worth living in.

        Ooh superman where are you now
        When everything’s gone wrong somehow
        The men of steel, the men of power
        Are losing control by the hour.

        This is the time
        This is the place
        So we look for the future
        But there’s not much love to go round
        Tell me why, this is the land of confusion.

        This is the world we live in
        And these are the hands we’re given
        Use them and lets start trying
        To make it a place worth living in.

        I remember long ago-
        Ooh when the sun was shining
        Yes and the stars were bright
        All through the night
        And the sound of your laughter
        As I held you tight
        So long ago-

        I won’t be coming home tonight
        My generation will put it right
        We’re not just making promises
        That we know we never keep.

        They’s too many men
        Too many people
        Making too many problems
        And not much love to go round
        Can’t you see
        This is the land of confusion.

        Now this is the world we live in
        And these are the hands we’re given
        Use them and lets start trying
        To make it a place worth fighting for.

        This is the world we live in
        And these are the names we’re given
        Stand up and lets start showing
        Just where our lives are going to.

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        • braveheart says:

          Howdy, BI, and thank you for that song; perfect description of our current situation. It appears the dominoes are all being lined up for MEGA SHTF. I’ve always suspected it would be a series of different events, one after another, that would bring on SHTF. I’m speeding up my prepping all I can and hope everyone else is doing the same. braveheart

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          • swampratt says:

            You got that right Braveheart stopped by wallyworld on
            my way home to my luck they got in a shipment of CCI
            STINGERS 3000 RDS got my share keep prepping got your 6

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            • Outlaw says:

              You lucky bastard!

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              • Mensa Graham says:

                Psst. If it is center fire then you can get reloads. Check reloaders in your area. And the price is still right too. Now if I could get some .22LR without mortgaging my house…….

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                • swampratt says:

                  Mensa Graham here in West Tenn walmarts are getting
                  shipments of 22lr you just have to be at the right
                  store it seems like one day one store gets them
                  when the others don’t and so on you just have to be at
                  the right store keep preppin good luck

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            • Night breaker says:

              Wow swamp rat you really hit the ammo lottery!
              .22 is nearly impossible to find here in NJ when you do you are only allowed 1 brick per day
              A 525 pack of federal is going for about $ 39.00. Good thing I have some put back for my S&W 617!

              Semper Fi 8541

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              • Guess I was right back in 2011. That was the last time I bought 22cal and when I bought there was no limit. 525 were $17.00 and yepp I bought deep.

                And Bad American is right about the cut shotgun shells just don’t try and run them through a pump or auto shotgun. I had some problems doing that.

                CATIYMF-NOMI
                DPS

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            • braveheart says:

              Howdy, Swampratt. Now I have to stock up on shells for a 12-gauge shotgun I just bought last weekend. Yep, finally took the plunge and bought one. braveheart

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              • BadAmerican says:

                @braveheart:

                Hello Sir. Glad to hear to finally brought a shotty home.

                When you have time, check out the vid on U-tube to learn about wax and/or cut shell slugs….cool stuff.

                ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWWqXVbAfA

                (add an “h” to the beginning of the link)

                Good Hunting

                anthrax anthrax anthrax

                …be safe……stay the course…….BA.

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              • dave in Id says:

                Since you will be using it indoors, you can buy the cheap birdshot 7 1/2-8 shot. It will put a deadly nasty hole in someone at 10-20 feet.

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                • Facebook Page says:

                  6 shot or more 7 and 8 are half brass and when your shotgun get hot in a fight. They will screw up and you will die.

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                • NavyVet says:

                  I shot a door with my 18.5′ shotgun from about 10 ft away, kinda like a test shot, and birdshot put a nice hole about 3-4″ diameter through it. In my house buckshot would end up in the livingroom messing stuff up if I ever shot it in the house. But then again if there are more than one assailants in my house I guess that isn’t too bad of a thing. lol

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                • dave in Id says:

                  Facebook. Dont know what is wrong with your shotgun. I can run a box of birdshot as fast as I can reload the 8 round tube with no problems. Let bravehart buy a box and rapid fire it. He will be able to buy 3-4 boxes of 7-8 shot(75-100 rounds) to 10-15 rounds (comes in 5 round box)of 00 buck or slugs. Also he did not state what brand, model and how many shell the mag holds. Hell, he might have a single shot. But more likely a pump which will cycle anything without getting the chamber hot enough to hold on to the brass base of the shells or melt the plastic.

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              • John_Allen says:

                braveheart,

                The last two months of ’12 I had an intuition. Stocked up from AmmoToGo. Bought as much as I can securely store. The last packages were delivered just as the panic began.
                It was like learning to swim a week before the sailboat sinks. grins

                Sometimes that still small voice knows what it’s talking about.

                Check out AmmoToGo.

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                • braveheart says:

                  BA, FBP, and John Allen, thanks for those tips. John Allen, I had the same intuition back in the spring of 2012 and started stockpiling heavy on all 3 other calibers I already had. I knew ahead of time it was the right thing to do. I knew the gun grabbers would start talking their trash again right after election day. Then along came Sandy Hook and their voices got even worse and, lo and behold, we start witnessing a rush on guns, accessories, and ammo the likes of which none of us had ever seen in this country before. I confess I was part of that run myself, buying a .22 pistol with some extra mags and ammo a week before Christmas. Now I only wish I had bought the shotgun many years ago, but better late than never. Shotgun shells have actually been in pretty good supply in my area since Sandy Hook but nothing else gets on the shelves here anymore. braveheart

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        • Anonymous says:

          However, it should be noted in this tune that even 30 years ago people were “feeling” and “sensing” the same things. Nothing catastrophic took place here in the US. I don’t know what is going to happen short term, if anything, BUT the TPTB are certainly preparing and mobilizing for something big to come along. I think we should be so smart as to follow their lead because they have as much insider info as anyone in the country.

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          • Sigi says:

            They were, and as a resut some of us learned to think ahead and be prepared since we were kids. Be glad, and if nothing happens here this time (which I seriously doubt) there will be another generation of preparedness-minded people to come along after us. Maybe they will have access to mature orchards on homesteads that go back generations.

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        • Jenn says:

          Wow…. Last time I got this song stuck in my head, the next day was 9/11/01.

          These days, I think the Disturbed version of this song is correct vibe. (It’s just as awesome, but a LOT angrier.)

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        • ScoutMotto says:

          Good choice BI. One of my favorite bands ever.

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        • mqg25 says:

          “Sparks of the Tempest”…Kansas
          The sparks of the tempest rage a hundred years on
          The voice of the dreamer screams, the cause of the pawn
          The King and the Queen are gone, each piece is the same
          The difference between us is a part of the game

          Darkness is spreading like a spot on the sun
          The dead are the living in the age of the gun
          While everyone clamors for the justice they seek
          The world is corrupted and the strong take the weak

          They mold you and shape you, they watch what you do
          The sparks of the tempest are burnin’ you through
          Spreading like wildfire, fallin’ like rain
          Though they may promise, they only bring pain

          The future is managed, and your freedom’s a joke
          You don’t know the difference as you put on the yoke
          The less that you know the more you fall into place
          A cog in the wheel, there is no soul in your face

          Run for the cover, Millennium’s here
          Bearing the standard of confusion and fear
          Spreading like wildfire, fallin’ like rain
          Though they may promise, they only bring pain

          Blood in the sand, a cry in the street
          Now the cycle is nearly complete
          Ten thousand years, and nothing was learned
          No turning back, now the wheel has turned

          Big Brother is watching and he likes what he sees
          A world for the taking, when he’s ready to squeeze
          The King and the Queen are gone, each piece is the same
          The difference between us is a part of the game

          Soothsayer saying now tell me no lies
          What is this madness that is filling the skies
          Spreading like wildfire, fallin’ like rain

          http://youtu.be/cnijc9wNpV4

          Though they may promise, they only bring pain

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          • Be informed says:

            @ mqg25. Appropriate music for today and the future. Isn’t it incredible how a song so long ago can be more fitting for today than yesteryear? I think mankind is in far more danger than anytime in recent history. So many different hammers can hit the anvil, one at a time or all at once.

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        • dave in Id says:

          I wouldnt be surprised if we(cia) gassed those 1300 (so far) in syria yesterday

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        • BigB says:

          BI, you forgot the impending race riots. :) I normaly would not comment on it but I am getting bored…..

          BigB

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          • Be informed says:

            @ BigB. Race riots! If these fools would figure out that the REAL enemy has no race, just two terms; politician and elitist. These suckers don’t care what nose they stick the ring through, or forehead and hand they eject the tracking implant they put, just as long as they enslave everyone. Race riots, the perfect distraction to get away with more, and one of the excuses to even more limit freedoms to people.

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      • Gallup seems to have a better take on the unemployment rate than others. Maybe this explains the meeting.

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/21/Gallup-Unemployment-jumped-from-77-to-89

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        • John W. says:

          Looks like someone came out with real non bs numbers and it caused a panic. Not to worry they will be corrected and explained away as some sort of unexpected data entry mistake. Nothing to see here. Bring in sixty million more foreign workers, that should fix everything.

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    2. Forrest says:

      I thought they weren’t supposed to meet behind closed doors. Isn’t that illegal? Oh, silly me. If its illegal or not, it doesn’t matter anymore. The Constitution is no longer valid. Silly me! Ha, ha!

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      • JayJay says:

        It’s called transparency, stupid!!

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        • Sierra Dave says:

          I dream of some reporter telling the President…

          “Mr. President, when it comes to transparency. You are the biggest liar in history.”

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          • swampratt says:

            Sierra dave the asshole knows he’s a liar who’s going
            to stop him

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          • gwynmarilyn says:

            It clear by now it would not have matter which party had won we still be in this mess. Just different roads but the same arrive place.

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            • Jenn says:

              Yes, the two major parties are quite similar. I didn’t realize that until I saw their placement on a graph on politicalcompass.org. Both of them are in the upper right quadrant and I am hanging out with the Dalai Lama in the lower left (because that’s where my answers put me). Evidently, I’m one of those evil liberals. ( I still don’t think that word is being used correctly these days.)

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          • Rockwarrior073 says:

            Sheep people don’t care. Antichrist Obama is their guy and as long as he promises to continue to give them “free stuff”,paid for by the other guy, their ego will not let them admit they made a mistake. Sheep people don’t understand the concept of principle.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Doesnt matter anymore!
        Yep, im going to follow their lead, who cares about all that stupid crap like taxes and obamacare and such,
        Fuck it
        Nobody lives forever

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        • Ted Kennedy says:

          Deckard: She’s a replicant, I mean libtard, isn’t she?

          Tyrell: I’m impressed. How many questions does it usually take to spot them?

          Deckard: I don’t get it, Tyrell.

          Tyrell: How many questions?

          Deckard: Twenty, thirty, cross-referenced.

          Tyrell: It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn’t it?

          Deckard: [realizing Rachael believes she's human] She doesn’t know.

          Tyrell: She’s beginning to suspect, I think.

          Deckard: Suspect? How can it not know what it is?

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    3. rainyday says:

      It’s in the air. May not be this week or next week or next month, but soon.

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    4. sharonsj says:

      Now you know why the government is buying up ammunition and militarizing the local police. All you folks who agreed with the suppression of Occupy Wall Street shouldn’t be surprised when the police come after you next. The government is calling all sorts of people “terrorists.” If you disagree with them, if you are for the environment, if you support animal rights, if you are a journalist, if you object to having your water contaminated–you are a terrorist.

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    5. braveheart says:

      Sounds like another financial disaster in the making and we the people won’t know it until it’s too late. It smells like 2008 all over again. Everyone get everything you can now while you still can! braveheart

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      • PA farmer says:

        Braveheart, I agree get it NOW, I’m having some trouble with money, so I,m thinking network some people can buy Vegetables at are Local farm market, bit you have to buy in bulk”a Pallet” and do some big caning, I have free gas and everybody has Jars, cost produce, lids. save a ton of money too be Able to buy nick nak patty wack. Its a win win for everybody.

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        • PA farmer says:

          Forgot gona need to use about four Pressure cookers..

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          • Anonymous says:

            Just don’t go try to buy them , FBI might go see you!

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          • braveheart says:

            PA farmer, I came a little too close to putting myself in a bind this past weekend with 2 major purchases I made, but I decided to take the plunge and get them NOW while I could. One of the items is my first ever shotgun. this payday i’m picking up some shells and a cleaning kit for it. the way things are shaping up I thought it was best to get them right away. braveheart

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              • braveheart says:

                Rich99, what is your problem, exactly? I’m not aware of anything anyone on this site could’ve done to get you all stirred up. Why do you keep attacking people here? As I recall, when I first started posting on here in July of last year you were already one of the regulars here and you use to make some good posts. Sounds like you’re playing some kind of game here with everyone. you’ve been here longer than I have. You know what the site is really all about. You know Mac goes the extra mile to bring us articles that he believes we’ll find interesting and enlightening. I heard about your experience with Sandy last year and glad you survived it. you were prepared so you already know the importance of prepping. now all of a sudden you think nothing is going to happen. what makes you think that? You haven’t been to any MSM sites I hope? that’s the only explanation that seems to fit unless you can offer something better. I love this site. this place is the real deal and you’re trying to stink it up. So, what is your beef?

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              • Satori says:

                RICH
                the .gov just called and said your 12 cent check for your most recent post will be delayed

                I can spot ya a dime to hold you over
                just let me know buddy

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    6. Man on the inside says:

      I don’t know If Obumer’s meeting with these henchman means anything but who cares. With 17,000,000,000,000.00 of dept, an unsustainable dept structure, fulltime jobs replaced with part time jobs, teenagers shooting someone in the back because their bored (or a 13 month old baby in the face), an Islamic maniac (discussed as a army officer) allowed to drill his victims in court, A public school system that teaches nothing useful, this country is doomed. We threw God out of the court house and school house and we tried to legislate morality and this is what we ended up with. And it will be a very painful death of a once great nation. Plan, Prep, Pray…..

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    7. RobertKinghorn says:

      Where to turn for safety. Gold and Silver did not hold up in 2008 during the last crisis. if there is another sell off is there anyplace safe to turn. Cash may be king but I wouldn’t want to hold it in a bank

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      • Connor Kenway says:

        The only safe place to turn is prepping. Ammo, guns, food, amongst other items is the last safe haven any of us have. Oh, and the training to implement these in a useful fashion! God speed friends, shouldn’t be too long now.

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        • gatheringbird says:

          Conner, Good post, Personally I would like to see more prepping posts here, we can all get ideas from other people, things we might not think about that someone else has,for instance We have forgone stocking up on toilet paper and are stocking up on diaper wipes instead, they are cheaper and take up alot less room, I never feel like we are done prepping,but I come to this site and others for info about what others are doing, but latley its a pissing match to see who has the biggest gun or who has the biggest grudge to bear. I thought this site was about what to do when the shit hits the fan!

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          • Sigi says:

            JW Rawles suggests telephone books as back up TP- especially when the mutliple companies are all out with their new books- stock up for free by getting those no one else wants.

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      • SteadySteve says:

        A lot of paper and physical gold and silver was sold by those who had to cover their financial casino bets. Both went up from there and have never seen close to those lows since. That is the time to buy more physical and hang on to it for the ride up. Oct 2008 gold went down to about $700 oz. and by April 2009 back up to $1000 which is probably as low as it will dip during the next crisis. The price rise will be awesome after that because a lot more people will not trust paper anymore and physical supply will become tight quickly.

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      • Dejavous says:

        Robert;
        G and S may loose a little but has never gone to “o”. Fiat money can. Study what happened in Germany during the Weimar republic during WW11 to their fiat currency. With Bernanke printing – we are headed in the same dirrection. G and S are universal across all currencies and will be to the NEW WORLD’s Reserve Currency as well when we loose it. Physical is king – paper is toilet paper. They can print paper but they can not print a physical ounce of G or S.
        Just my take on G and S.
        Dejavous

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        • FarmerJohn says:

          Dejavous, I just keep thinking to myself that I cant eat g and s or drink it and as far as commodities are concerned I take the water and sell some of it for the g and s I base this on the fact that in 2008 until 2009 for 1 year I was without heat, water, and electricity due to financial matters, those are the commodities i have now stored for the next 20 years.

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          • Dejavous says:

            @farmer
            I completely see your point. The purchasing of G and S is for when things settle down a bit. I believe that we are most likely going to back on the gold standard when the fiat money system we have now goes kapoot as they all have in the past in other countries. G and S will rapidly gain in value at that juncture. The things you mentioned should be addressed first – food – water – protection instruments etc. G and S is for when barter gives way to more normal commerce – paying bills when all those services are restored. I never meant S and G as a primary concern. I appreciate your take on the potential situation and agree that first things first.

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    8. Wallimiyama says:

      Let the banksters meet with the Criminal & Chief…my preps are pretty solid…if it’s gonna happen, let it roll.

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      • sixpack says:

        Same of the richest elites in the world have been dumping their paper assets, like stocks and bonds, and throwing millions into gold. They and govts hold the lion share of gold. I don’t care what the going price of gold is right now, GOLD WILL GO BACK UP.

        The reason why is, TPTB are heavily invested in it and THEY AIN’T GOING TO LOSE MONEY ON IT, no matter what they have to do to get PM prices back up (after their buying spree, of course).

        If you have to sell off your PMs while the price is low, you probably shouldn’t have invested in PMs until you were stable enough to weather a storm.

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        • dave in Id says:

          @ sixpack.. they are going to war soon. Syria just got gassed. 1300 dead so far. We/mooselimb brutha hood are blaming Assad.

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      • FarmerJohn says:

        Im right there with you
        bring it on

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    9. Trailer Park Investor says:

      On the brink of the abyss
      Enjoy the view, you will NOT see it again.
      The worlds most powerful and sucessful economic engine brought to it’s knees and then to have it’s knees cut out from underneath it by our very politicians who were sworn to protect it and us.
      If that is not treason I don’t know what is.

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      • Horse'sass says:

        I have pontificated on this before.

        The politicians, derived from lawyers, for the most part, have no useful, productive skill or contribution to make to society. That is why they become lawyers/politicians in the first place.

        They know that if they lose their jobs (“profession”) they are helpless, because they depend totally on the productive middle class for their needs- from food to health care, from transportation to shelter.

        They therefore protect their “jobs” by every means at their disposal. You can never sue a lawyer for example. (I tried, and even when the trial court recognized legal malpractice by my attorneys, sufficient to defeat any motion for summary judgment, my right to trial to produce my evidence in court was denied based on an archaic precedent case from a lower court, even when more recent case law and state supreme court ruling on the matter was available. One of the lawyers, Harold Huddleston, had a brother who was a KY state senator, so you can see how that works. But I digress.) On a grander scale, you can see that none of the bank fraud has been investigated by the DOJ. Corzine et al walk free.

        For a politician to be secure in his job, he must get reelected. Hence the definition of a politician: One who seeks re-election.

        To get re elected, the politician has to make promises, -and pay for them. In the past, taxes covered a lot of this pork spending. Even through world wars and Vietnam, etc when taxes weren’t enough, the govt could always borrow, until around 1971 when the final act that of debasing the currency and printing commenced. Now the only buyer of government bonds appears increasingly to be the Fed. This window of paying by printing is coming to a close.

        The public will never refuse a free lunch, which is why Obama was elected/re elected. In other words the public will vote itself a free lunch.

        A fractional reserve banking system, combined with a Federal Reserve cartel has enabled politicians to spend freely, which gets them re elected. Politicians have thus been under banking control.

        But once a politician gets re elected and has the pork mill up and running, he becomes a magnet for corporate influence money. The politician gets rich while in office, and the corporations and banks get favored treatment in return. Even if initial laws appear to go against corporations in order to appease the public, the politicians will always accommodate the corporations through the back door by using loopholes buried in unrelated legislation. Thus the fascist state evolves.

        Many of these military industrial corporations profit through wars. Military manufacturing corporations win generous contracts from the government. Banks loan money to governments to finance wars and also make money. The young, either unemployed and unable to find work, or thinking of the “benefits” they will receive for a career of militarry service, or just plain sense of patriotic duty to their country, drink the Koolaid and enlist- as cannon fodder to be expended on the battlefields for the politicians, banks and corporations.

        And that, folks is a simplified version of why we are doomed.

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        • Outlaw says:

          Great analysis!

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          • durango kidd says:

            Horse’s Ass: I am no fan of Jon Corzine. Corzine is guilty of GREED; but his investors willingly signed a contract that gave him the power and authority to pledge their assets as if they belonged to his company; in exchange for the priviledge of him managing their funds. That is the legal fact of the matter.

            This technicality has been my criticism of Ann Barnhardt when she maligns him. Still I love Ann Barnhardt the Patriot.

            Individuals are responsible for the contracts they sign. Personal liberty requires personal responsibility. Take a lesson from the guy who changed the Standard Agreement that was spammed to him and scammed the Banksters.

            It pays to read the fine print. :-)

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            • John W. says:

              Are you so ignorant that you believe that? He had the right to buy and sell for them in certain instances not to mingle investors individual funds into/with the brokerages’ funds to cover their losses. Big difference.

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              • durango kidd says:

                John W: He also had the right to pledge their assets as his company’s. That’s a legal fact.

                And it is the reason he is not in jail right now. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The Durango Kidd says:

                  He also had the right to pledge their assets as his company’s. That’s a legal fact.

                  And it is the reason he is not in jail right now

                  *****

                  Bullshit. That’s not the reason!

                  He’s an insiders insider! Plus, he had plausible deniability on his side.

                  The man actually claimed he didn’t understand what exactly occured within his own firm. Ya, and there’s beach front property in Lower Buckeye too!!!

                  The DOJ chose not to pursue charges because it found “no intent to defraud.”

                  If I had a crooked toe nail, I’d be brought up on charges.

                  Hey DK… keep on trolling.

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            • yourmotherwaswrong says:

              The Durango Kidd is at it again! Trolling.

              Corzine isn’t “guilty of GREED.” His customers didn’t willingly sign a contract that gave him the power and authority to do what he did!

              Corzine and other MF Global officials dipped into customer accounts and took over $1.6 billion of customer money. They brazenly lied to bondholders, ratings agencies and investors about the firm’s financial condition as well.

              This was easy to understand. This was just stealing!

              Corzine owed money, He don’t have the cash to cover his bad bets, and so he took money belonging to someone else to cover his debts.

              What Corzine did was straight-up embezzlement.

              So, what is the moral of this little tale? What are the lessons for “the children?”

              Sit them down and wax philosophical:

              Kids, you know the old saying that “crime doesn’t pay?” Well, that’s bullshit. Crime pays and pays big unless you are poor and without political connections in which case you will likely join the American gulag and soon.

              And that rule about always telling the truth? How can I put this gently? That’s bullshit, too. Liars, good ones, rise to the top of government and corporations. They are sociopaths by nature and have no empathy for anyone other than themselves. They are sick, but they are rich. You can make more money in five minutes knowing the right insider than you can from a lifetime of hard work.

              And, finally, about that Biblical “suggestion” to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you?” Well, that will get you a job selling printer cartridges at Best Buy or running the fryer at Burger King.

              No, my children, If you want to make it big in this world, smile, lie, follow the money, suck the ass of those on the fast train, step on the little people, fuck anyone who gets in your way, and believe everything the Durango Kidd says.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Sounds like you was Talmud Trained in every facet.

                Lie-swindle-cheat-murder goyim gentiles. And Bash the very words of Christs Teachings to christians.

                Yep a talmud trained bolshevik zionist.

                And loook how many green thumbs you got from so called “christians” at This site!

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              • durango kidd says:

                Yo Mama: Wrong again! Corzine had the right to rehypothecate his investors money. Its’ part of the standard contract.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothecation

                Read the fine print folks. :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  @durango kidd

                  Trolling for Establishment criminals must do you well.

                  Rehypothecation is shadow banking fraud!

                  If I did that with a lemonade stand, I’d be in a cage!

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                • durango kidd says:

                  Yo Mama: I didn’t say it was right. It was legal and those individuals who signed that contract were sophisticated, qualified investors under the law. In fact, many of the “investors” were other money managers!

                  You were WRONG again! don’t you ever get tired of being the dumb shit in the crowd? I haven’t had this uch fun since Clark use to argue about FREE TRADE!

                  I think it was YOUR MOTHER who WAS WRONG! LMFAO! :-)

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                • yourmotherwaswrong says:

                  The durango kidd says:

                  “I didn’t say it was right.”

                  *****

                  So you support criminality?

                  Is that what you’re saying?

                  It wasn’t right, but…

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                • durango kidd says:

                  YM: I support the law. There was no criminality involved. Most of those “investors” were Hedge Fund Managers who knew what they were doing and were trying to leverage their cash 140%. Thats how they make 4300 million a year.

                  Pigs AlWAYS get slaughtered because they stay at the trough too long. :-)

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                • durango kidd says:

                  $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $

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            • Master Blaster says:

              Corzine acted CRIMINALLY and co-mingled funds….this was NOT part of any contract. Where are the Balls of the American People ?…..this person should be found tits up in a New Jersey swamp.

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              • durango kidd says:

                Master Blaster: You are wrong too. See the link above after moderation.

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              • Them Guys says:

                Corzine will Never get prosecuted nor convicted. Because he is a zionist and bonified tribe member. Hes a Morano jew. Talmud teaches that No jewish person in good standing with fellow jews is ever allowed to arrest-charge-convict another tribe member jew.

                Unless he screws Other jews like that one a couple yrs ago who did go to prison(cant recall his name? swindled big rich famous hollywood and NY jews out of $75 Billion!)

                Corzines Victims were gentile goyims.

                Look at who are the vast majority of fed judges today. And federal prosecutors too. As are most if not Every top head of every senate and us house comittee “Chairman/head” of every committe that controls all Financial-war dept-pentagon-foriegn policy dept-etc.

                Not a single One will violate their Most highest holiest books laws, IE: the Talmud they believe takes precedence ABOVE All Other mans laws as well as Gods laws in BOTH Old and New testement books.

                Talmude dis-allows arrest or conviction of Any jews who screw goyim gentiles period. Corzine is a jewish zionists man. Ergo he goes Free!

                What do all you folks think our US const and BOR IS being slowely Replaced with? I will Tell you.

                All them jewish zionists, and with also their co enablers, non jewish Zionists(like joe biden) that are Fed and State judges have been secrectly turning to their Talmud as Highest Laws in deciding many various court cases.(Ruth Ginsberg admited it to a grad harvard lawyer class she gave keynote speech to! So did that italian judge conservative cant recall his name now? Not alitto, the older supreme justic is who admited YES they turn to Talmud in deciding cases! and also to Internationl laws!)

                Most EVERY Court case decision, Especially the US Supremes ct decisions, that most normal folks say Do Not make sense! and say Are NOT constitutional!

                Check the Talmud teachings for your answers to How can such smart Judges come up with so many Asinine decisions and find words in the bill of rights that do NOT even exist?!

                But Yes they do exist! In the warped talmud and warped Mind’s of jewish zionist justices and judges who have been trained in Talmudisim Judiasim their entire lives!

                Thats what Jesus Christ meant when he bashed the Pharisee Rabbi’s and their jewish followers/obeyers when Jesus said “You take the words of God and turn them into Godlessness! and you make every word of God into Man’s traditions.”

                Well ever since the first jewish us supreme ct justice got put on the court bench in early 1900′s by Prez Wilson, its been 100+ yrs now and Most every fed and many state judges are the same. Jewish zionists who base Leagle decisions On and From Talmudic beliefs and teachings.

                Just wait until soon, Very soon, they tell YOU that a whole New set of Laws for their NWO worldwide will be what they invented called the..”Noahide Laws”!

                Where EVERY law violation carries the DEATH BY Beheading punisment!

                Look it Up Bush #1 signed Noahide laws into Fed USC code laws. But it is “Hidden” within the bill as passed which was a Fed house/senate passed bill, signed into fed law By bush #1 in 1991, called “Education Day” celebrations etc etc.

                I Posted a direct Link to noahide laws passed etc by a former kalif us house rep of 16 yrs. He has his own website with the EXACT as passed Entire bill, now fed law!

                Us Rep Dannameyer, D-calif. Rep for 16 yrs. A Christian man, whos site describes how that noahide laws bill got passed exact same method as done to pass FED RES act in 1913….#1 send ALL but 3-4 reps and senators Home for holidays. then, #2-once all have left the buildg, hold a VOICE vote by remaing 3-4 members! Then #3-Get Prez Bush one, to sign into fed law!…Bingo! Brand New set of fed laws based upon orthodox jewish talmudic teachings that Ban Christianity as Idol worship! with the Daeth by Beheadings capitol crime for such Idol worshippers if they refuse to Denounce jesus Christ!( see book of REV for further info on soon to arrive events).

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        • braveheart says:

          Horse’sass, perfect analysis. I couldn’t have said it any better.

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        • FarmerJohn says:

          Horse, right to the point and I agree but if I may just add one more thing to your comment and that is when all is said and done add this to the bottom line of your statement.
          “All the Above is controlled and financed by the bankers and that includes both sides of a war or wars”! And that folks is the bottom line X__________________ sign here!

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        Ive got rope to spare, or head shots, your choice

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    10. Unreconstructed Southron says:

      Crisis somewhere? His whole pseudo-presidency is a crisis!

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    11. possee says:

      I wouldn’t be the least surprised Mac..

      Just look at the CPI from 1983 and now…it takes approximately $90,000 in earnings to equal earnings of $35,000 back then..just 30 years!..but then there is no inflation,,debt is fine..relax..right?

      I sincerely hope all the experts,who forewarned the 2007/08 collapse, are wrong on this call..but my gut tells me otherwise..all roads are leading to worldwide disaster..economically,socially,and basic needs as well..especially the global demands for food and water.

      May God get us through this with our individual wills combined..

      possee

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    12. schools and colleges are also starting back up..whats the other huge debt bubble? student loans.. The money has to come from somewhere, the schools want theirs before they move forward, and yet the passed loans have still not been paid.

      student loans are a big bubble ready and ripe to pop

      This and along with all the other money games they have been playing..its all coming back to roost, right on their shoulders

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    13. Gold Dugger says:

      As former US Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson noted, we were on the brink of a historic collapse, and they knew it well ahead of time.

      - ok, thats what Paulson was saying, despite his prior comments during the late term of Dubya stating the financial system was robust and in great shape. Paulson would later go on to tell congress if the 750 billion dollars was not injected into the financial system – MARTIAL LAW WOULD BECOME NECESSARY. And that was the exact point where the system should have been allowed to crash and take all the bad apples out. Instead, the bad apples were bailed out and merged (except Lehman Bros).
      Then “Omeaba” came into office and extorted another 750 billion dollars for all his pals. We cant forget that Goldmach Sachs was the leading financial contributor to his campaign..
      Fast Fwd to today and the 10YR treasury bond has reached 2.73%. This means the FED is losing control of long term interest rates. This is good. We want the Fed to be seen as idiots, where blame can be laid. Of course the treasury could decide to “cap” the yield on the 10 year treasury notes at 3%, but that would only serve to increase the rate at which the US dollar is losing ground as the worlds reserve currency.

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      • dave in Id says:

        10yr @ 2.86 right now @1300 hours pst. dow -100+

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        • Pencrna says:

          Gallup 30 day unemoyment numbers show jump from 7.7% to 8.9%. “While Gallup differs from fed numbers slightly there is not a significant difference. Also, Gallup numbers not sine t to wild swing, so this is an alarming trend–possibly an 18month high” (paraphrased). Article on drudge.

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    14. Dejavous says:

      We should all be aware of what is going on as all this was foretold in scripture. Not preaching here – just knowing what I know. Get close to God – real close. We are the Rome of old and it will not get any better as we decline into a third world nation just like Rome did. We are doing this to ourselves by who we elect to congress. 90% of progressives and 50% of the socalled conservatives should be put out of office. They will not because the majority who elect them want free stuff and they will elect anyone who will give it to them. Sad but true. God has taken his hand off America and is allowing us to corrupt ourselve. We are reaping what we have sown.
      God Bless and keep us all.

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    15. Satori says:

      famous investment advice from former Reagan Budget Director
      David Stockman

      “TGR: Finally, what is your investment model?

      DS: My investing model is ABCD: Anything Bernanke Cannot Destroy: flashlight batteries, canned beans, bottled water, gold, a cabin in the mountains.”

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      • Dejavous says:

        I read an account of a man who lived through a collapse in a country in Europe for one year. He advocated collect barter items. One item he collected and used for barter was butane ligters – believe it or not. He advocated collecting 1000 of them for barter. Ammunition was another item to barter. Alcohol or spirits high in alcohol content was also advocated as barter items both to be used for medical needs or trade goods for food and ammo. It was amazing what I had not thought of in this area of barter goods during an extended sequestration.

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        • ready down under says:

          I dont smoke but a couple cartons of cigarettes have neatly filled a small sealed container. A nicotine addict will give something out of all proportion to the value of a pack of smokes when the craving is intense.

          Aussie

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        • MadMarkie says:

          @ Dejavous -

          Please remember to buy a few Zippo style lighters also, remember the extra flints and wicks. You can get them to fire up on almost any flammable liquid. You can find them at flea markets for < $20.

          If buying alcohol for trade, look at the 750 ml PLASTIC bottles that are called "travelers". These suckers are 'tougher-than-woodpecker-lips', almost impossible to break. Less of a selection than what you will find in glass bottles though.

          Oil lamps and extra wicks are also a good investment for future barter use. There are lids available for canning jars that have been converted into lamp mechanisms.

          Think outside the box. Barter/trade goods are where lots of folks miss the proverbial 'boat' ….. they don't have any.

          God Bless & good luck to all who post here.

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          • Dejavous says:

            @Mad;
            Good post. New unthought – of ideas are appreciated. I have some of the things you mentioned. Trying to get set.
            BTW I am going for enough to get me through to the rapture. After that it will not matter to me anymore and those who are left here can have it all with my blessing for they will need it to survive. Personally – I give us less than 4 years to the rapture so I personally am preparing spiritually just to make sure I am not left behind. It will not be pretty when Christianity is taken out of the way and the next most likely predominant theoracy fills the void in governments all over the world.

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            • Them Guys says:

              Jesus Christ said ALL believers will be persecuted. Sorry to break it to you but there is No biblical Pre trib rapture event. The resurection or as you call it the rapture event occures at the second comming of Jesus Christ. Not one second sooner.

              There are plenty of online site sources that fully explain in depth verse by verse why pre trib rapture is Falsehood teachings. First invented in 1860′s or so era, by a delusional sick scottish woman in scottland, told to pastor named Darby, passed off to Scofield, who then promoted it along with Darby ever since late 1800′s and early 1900′s eras.

              Scofields bible is filled with heritical interpretations and was funded and Published BY a Rothchild bankster dynasty son. Besides falshoods like pre trib rapture, scofields phony bible also heavily promotes zionisim and all issues jewish. Much has been revealed since that era.

              Do research on these isues so you too wont be taken in by Falsehoods.

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              • Dejavous says:

                @Them
                Sorry to have to disagree with ya. I have been studying the rapture scriptures for over 40 years now and this is how I came to the pre-trib conclusion. I know that there are those who will disagree due to theological interpretations but I have come down on the pre-trib theology. I will bring up just one of many reasons so as not to be too long winded. The whole theory of the rapture is based on imminency from the day Jesus died. No man will know the day or the hour but will know the season as they are of the light. Now we know exactly the day the trib will begin – the day that the covenant is confirmed with the many. We also know exactly how many days the trib will last as it is given to us the exact mid point to the day. If we know these things and the exact length of the trib then we could at any point during the trib calculate the exact timing of the end to the day. This fact destroys imminency for the rapture to occur at any time during the tribulation due to simple arithmatic. If one knows two points then the third can be projected given distance – dirrection and time.
                Trust me – I have looked at this for over 40 years and have set my course on this point. One thing I would add however is that one should be prepared to go at any time – just in case. This takes all the guess work out of it.
                God keep you

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                • Them Guys says:

                  Sorry NO Pre trib rapture. Christ said Two things Must happen prior to his return. The falling away aka apostacy, then the man of sin aka antichrist shall be Revealed to entire world. Then can he return.

                  All you based it on is faulty falshoods taught by scofield bible based pastors. Deipensationists falshoods. There is no contract for 7 yrs of danials 70th week etc.

                  Most of Danial occured from aprox 400 bc till 165 bc when antiochous placed the Abomination into the jew temple right on their alter. It was a statue of Zeus. A False god zeus aka abomination which desecrated their temple.

                  Some believe he also desecrated it by killing a Live swine pig he also brought into their temple and let the pigs blood go all over the place Inside the temple.

                  Your Main major mistake is like most pastors today.

                  You and They refuse to admit that Christ gave us a NEW Covenant. The new testement says it Replaced the former Old covenant and it is a Far better covenant that never again gets replaced. Its based upon Faith and Grace Not Law or works like the israel 12 tribes covenant.

                  Therefore many old testement future events prophesied to happen in latter days etc, got CANCELED and REPLACED by the New covenant such as REV book’s prophetic events for end says time frames.

                  The 12 tribes of israel Refused to Uphold their part of their covenant. Jeramiah tells of how they LOST their covenant and that God told them hes NO longer their God and no longer are they his “chozens”.

                  Galatians explains whats meant by the Promice to abraham when God said “I will Bless you and your SEED…Seed means Jesus whom the entire nations and even Familys of earth shall be blessed thru.
                  Galatians 3:6-29 [Apostle Paul speaking]

                  16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed [from Gen 21:12], which is Christ.
                  (false pastors say “Bless jews” due to promice to abrham, Galatians says Wrong advise!)

                  23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
                  24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
                  25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
                  26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
                  27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

                  Heres the PROOF Jews are No lomger “Chozens”

                  28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.(If you are a Believer in Jesus)
                  29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. KJV

                  All who Refuse to admit that Christ came in the flesh etc are of “ANTICHRIST”…That includes All aka jews too are antichrists unless they repent and convert to belief in Jesus Christ. Your Bible says so! Read it!

                  1 John:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
                  23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. KJV

                  2 John 7-11
                  7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.(jews Deny Jesus big time and hate jesus)
                  8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
                  9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
                  10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine [Christianity], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
                  11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. KJV

                  THAT PROVES: Jewdeo-christian and zionist christians are IDIOTS filled with False beliefs since Un converted jews are “antichrists”. Yet them christians Worship jews and israel! Like Your Bible Says too!

                  Its NOT bless “Jews” nor “Israel the state” as fake pastors that are Judiazers tell you to believe.

                  Too many christians waste time in old testement and spend very little in new testement reading. We are Living IN the NEW covenant. Read and see.

                  Then research that most of Todays “jews” are actually Khazers whos ancestors Converted to judaisim in 750-800 AD and where from Eastern Europe Khazaria kingdom now called Russia and Poland etc. Thats Facts you cannot dispute. Even a few jewish scientists and scholors has Verified it.

                  Those jews Now today in Israel are fakes that Jesus Warned us of in REV ch 2 vs 9. IE: Imposter jews who really are the Synogogue of SATAN!

                  Pre Trib rapture-bless jews-bless modern day israel state-is all 100% BS Unbiblical Falshoods Jesus Warned us to beware of due to many false prophets and pastors we will encounter. Time to Wake Up-re Think it all.

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            • Sigi says:

              The rapture didn’t rescue the Christians in Nazi Germany or the USSR. You don’t know that it will come in time to rescue you now. Plan for “a time, times and a half a time” beyond what you expect.

              I never agree with “Them Guys” but he/she is sort of right about the origin of the rapture doctrine. A young woman had a dream and told her pastor about it, who in turn told Scofield. As taught today it is not a classical church doctrine (unlike the return of Christ which comes directly from scripture) but an innovation from the 19th C. The only place anything like the word ‘rapture’ is mentioned in scripture is when Paul says that those who remain until Christ returns will be “caught up” to meet Him in the air. Anything more on the rapture than that scripture is a tradition of men.
              Revelation 13 is addressed to the church with words of warning to the Christians who are in the Great Tribulation. Read it and take it to heart.

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              • Dejavous says:

                @Sigi
                I never meant to get into a theological discussion but we all have different views which in the long run will be answred in due time.
                Being a Christian never exempted one from dying. Dying does not matter. It is where you go after the event that matters. We are just passers through on this world and out time here is just a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of things.
                I agree with Perry Stone on the rapture theology. He looks at the event from the Jewish point of view relating to the event and the jewish wedding ceremony. I would urge you to look deeper on the subject and you will see what I mean. The “word” rapture is not mentioned but the term is in other words. It took a lot of digging and studying the greek and hebrew language to fully understand what was being said. Take for instance the commandment – “thou shalt not kill” scripture in the KJV. When you research the greek and hebrew on the scripture you find that it actually says that thou shalt not murder. Murder is defined as the “taking of innocent blood”. One who is attacking you is not considered innocent and therefore it is permissable to defend oneself even to the point of killing if that is the only resort that is left to you. Things like this are subjects that I have studied extensively as I did not want to offend God by the comission of a grave sin. What did Jesus tell the disciples – if you do not own a sword – go and sell your cloak and buy one. Swords are not for eating.
                Sorry to be so long winded. We probably agree on much and what we do not agree on will probably not be of consequence anyways.
                Go with God

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              • Them Guys says:

                SIGI: You never agree with me because like Most here You refuse to actually Read and Research the many articles and Links I provide with proof to what I write of. You automaticly reject whatever I write. Perhaps you are Afraid of finding out how much you were lied to of like we All were lied to of the same issues etc.

                I have many times posted Links and Proof galore to issues such as Most jews today are fakes aka really are Khazers. FACT! DNA Proof facts From Jew scientists(2 of them last was dec 2012 less than a year ago Published in John Hopkins Esteemed medical Journals etc and Published by Hebrew Univ Bio ethnics labs too!)

                Nobody can ever Re think or change minds or acept documented facts as proof unless they actually READ the research info eh. Or keep in delusional state of mind and keep rejecting it all. There are no other choices. Christ said Know truth. Thats why I researched all these issues so to Know real truth instead of what we been told to believe based on Lies.

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      • Sigi says:

        Dry beans are lighter and can provide more food for storage/packing space than canned. FWIW.

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    16. Theres also a big crisis being hidden from the public and its over in Japan..this crisis will affect us all for hundreds of years to come, and its getting worse by the day

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      • JayJay says:

        Oh, shoot, VRF. We aren’t finished here with BP coRexit catastrophy yet.
        BPs chickens will come home to roost–but they’ll be on vacation in the alps.

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      • wormdirt says:

        RT has been running some really good articles on this. A truly staggering and frightening event is possible. Many experts think it likely.

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      • Shootit says:

        It is radiating!

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      • Dejavous says:

        I have read that the #4 rods stored on the top floor of the reactor are rapidly going to critical. It was said that all the mechanical means for removing the rods were destroyed and that they are now going to have to remove them by hand with manpower alone. It was also said that if some misshap occured and one of the 1300 rods got close to another that a chain reaction would ensue which could not be stopped. Then the other reactors #1,2,3 would be in danger as well creating a Chernobyl like event only very much larger. I do not know if this is good information or not BUT I would suggest that we all keep an eye on this move to remove the rods manually. Sometime we do not know what information to trust anymore but this is the noise on the street. It was also said that those removing the rods would be exposed to large doses of radiation as they removed the rods. Do we trust such people under threat of death with this sort of delicate task? Maybe prayers for them and for us would be in order if all of this is true. I am just watching as this is all I can do except pray.

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        • Pencrna says:

          What’s sad is that the poor folks who go in to take those rods away WILL DIE. It is a death mission and I highly doubt any of the fockers responsible for this stupidity will be the ones going in. We must remember those who sacrifice for their fellow man to ‘stop’ this disaster.

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          • dave in Id says:

            I lived in Atsugi Japan from 73-75. There will be plenty of volunteers for the task knowing that death will follow shortly. They are a honorable people, but godless. A massive earthquake was responsible for the failer. Tepco doesnt have the expertise to fix it….nobody does. The backup generators failed after the fooding. The backup batteries/inverters bought them a little time running the cooling pumps, but as you can see from your research, alot of the piping was dammaged and I think that even if the hit the SCRAM, the rods were still exposed. Thats why they went in and started spraying down the rods and the water is what they are trying to contain. As for management, at least 1 or more have died. To put it in a nutshell they are F$$#ed. and more will die containing it.

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            • Pencrna says:

              I just don’t understand why anyone would build a Nuc plant in an earthquake / tsunami zone. And in the beginning g I remember discussions about certain safeties in design that could have been taken but weren’t. My recall could be wrong. I just feel bad for those folks.

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            • Archivist says:

              Search for bentonite containment.

              anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax anthrax

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          • wormdirt says:

            Tepco will be building a crane over the rod pool but yes, it will be operated manually. If rods bang together, disaster could happen. If one breaks, disaster could happen. If one falls, disaster could happen. These rods are buried haphazardly among other debris and must be carefully removed, one by one. If this isn’t hard enough, it must be done over 1300 times! Crews will be continually rotated to both lower their exposure and to keep them alert. Best case scenario, within two years the rods will be out, and the Japanese will suffer various cancers and tumors for generations. Worse case scenario, northern Japan will become a no-mans land, and human life, at least in the northern hemisphere, won’t be the same for generations.

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        • John W. says:

          If they do go critical and start venting into the atmosphere this will indeed be a very bad thing. People in Oregon and Washington State may be in for some bad things. Unless of course this is just another scare story.

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    17. The exalted leader and all his expert mucky mucks can shoot the shit all they want, but there is no way to juice up the economy. Lost cause. Even with all their accounting games and outright fraud the numbers tell the tale.

      Currency = crude oil = the master resource

      Crude 2002 = $25 a barrel

      Crude 2012 = $112 a barrel

      Quadrupled in ten years. Did your wages quadruple?

      What effect do you think this has on world economies?
      Not good. Tanking economies and gov taking on massive debt to afford the waste based lifestyles that the people want and “need”.

      See those two vehicles out in your driveway?
      In not too many years they will still be sitting there but with no gas to run them.

      US the new Saudi Arabia? Shit…crude oil production here is still 25% lower than when it peaked in 1970.

      The emperor has no clothes.

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    18. npgh says:

      I think that sometime in October is when the shtf economically. I am picking up tid-bits here and there on the news and the web in general and this is just my theory. Metals have been devalued. A little rise here and a drop there, nothing to really gain anyones attention except that to buy the ACTUAL gold or silver is difficult to do, therefore, there is a high demand for it. Germany wants their gold back but somehow they seemed to shut up about it with the “Oh well, guess we’ll get it later. Ok.” attitude. JP Morgan has been depleting their reserves. This is unprecedented. They have also put their building up for sale at 1 Chase Manhatten. (see zero hedge for article). India got cost controls and China is stacking like mad. Now, back to my October theory…I read an article on Bloomberg that a company called Randgold is preparing to open and begin mining in Africa. It is projected to have one of the largest gold reserves yet. (side note: as Rand is short for research and development I see Rand-gold as the same). Anyway, Germany is one of the shareholders? benificeries of the company…mabey they are not too worried about the money the Fed is holding for them. The next is the new $100 bill. It was supposed to come out in October of this year and was scheduled to do so UNTIL they found another problem again and postponed it. The new $100 bill has symbolism that suggest mabey going back to a gold standard but that is conspiracy theory. Interest rates rising is going to crush the people in ways they don’t realize…yet. Anyway, somehow I think this ties together but I can’t put my finger on HOW. My intuition tells me October and not much time is left. What is really spooky is the claim that the Syrians attacked their own people with gas. US, France, UK and Germany are just itching for a war and with the accusation of Assad gassing his own people…things could really be speeding up. Just My Opinion.

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      • Maybe it wasn’t Syrian that used the gas. The gas could have been used as an excuse for the US to more overtly enter into war with Syria.

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    19. Barn Cat says:

      Interest rates on 10 year and 30 year treasuries are rising fast. They were higher a few years ago than they are today but the almost 50% increase since about May 1st is alarming. Here are some links:
      http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/bond/10_year
      http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/bond/30_year

      You can change the view from one day to 5 days, 3 months, 6 months, etc.

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      • Pencrna says:

        Appreciate these links. Blowholes on the business channel I watch are blowing smoke that bonds are great and that a rotation out of bonds is not happening. They did say that those pulling ou of bonds seem to be sitting on the sidelines in cash.

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        • John_Allen says:

          Pencrna,

          For whatever it might be worth, once I retired I lived on the tax free muni bond fund i invested in. Had an equal amount in small cap equities and the rest in cash.

          Several months ago I asked myself a question: (having reduced my bond holdings 80 percent along the way for creditworthiness risk (Stockton, Detroit multiplied by soon to be hundreds) “Do I want to risk $205 K for a measly $7800 a year return?

          I had skin in the game. I don’t care what the financial talking heads say. Instead of a lousy 3.85 % return I now have more food, water purifiers, rolled gauze, ammo and PM.

          Funny thing about financial advisors. No matter how well or badly YOU do they always make out like fat rats. Nobody cares more about your financial security than you do.
          Do your own research and make your own decisions.

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        • John W. says:

          There really is no safe place to put your cash. I guess the old mattress checking account will have as good a return as any. At least you will know where the principal is.

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    20. 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:

      what?!…something’s wrong?!….when the hell did that happen? msnbc, cnn, and fox sure didn’t say anything about it….maybe i should go buy some ramen noodles after i watch honey, boo boo & dwts………….(said by 97% of the sheeple of this country)

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    21. Sierra Dave says:

      Some people think it will be a long slow grind downwards.

      WRONG! The bottom will fall out at some point. The cohesive society we live in will turn into lawless chaos when people perceive it’s the end of Rule of Law.

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      • De Oppresso Liber says:

        I believe you are right and wrong – it has been a long slow grind, things are starting to bend – most likely this will end in catastrophic economic failure. At that point the historians, if any pencils are left can write about how the people in the greatest republic ever let the bankers control the nation. No one will remember the grind – just that big cracking noise of no one wanting US federal reserve notes any more and what happened to all the Chinese stuff we used to buy at Wal-Mart.

        De Oppresso Liber – we are the oppressed

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        • Archivist says:

          I have a stockpile of pencils, pens, ink, and acid-free paper. And I’m not afraid to use it. I plan on taking plenty of notes as things happen. I have been writing down weather, financial news, and current events since the mid-1970s. I remember when the DOW first broke 800.

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        • You are wrong about that latin…
          The motto of the special forces, seals…

          De Opresso Liber, to LIBERATE the OPPRESSED…

          You ain’t a seal or SF either…

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      • seems the rule of law has already ended..at least for the District of Criminals

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      • John W. says:

        The only thing that will save us is that the rest of the world is in even worse shape than we are. That will protect the dollars reserve status for awhile. When that goes away the jig is up unless we no longer need to import oil.

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    22. SoapDish says:

      Our so called leader is getting what TPTB wanted, destruction of United States of America. Anyone that believed we were in a recovery must of been smoking the bath salts to ecstasy land? Get real America, we were never and will never be in a recovery until we get rid of the filth that has infested our government. Things are only going to get worse, because the apathy of the American sheep is just one reason why this country is going the way of third world status.
      Again, time is all we have till things go total F.U.B.A.R!!!!!!!!!!
      WAKE UP NOW!

      B Aware, B Awake, and forever B Alive

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    23. tayronachan says:

      I was just talking with a firefighter out of Rocky Mount NC. A few weeks ago a lightening strike took out some servers that service EBT cards (food stamps) at a grocery store. In short order the police were called to the supermarket in question, because people were getting angry and starting to take the food and leave without paying. My understanding was it was just one store. Think about that for a minute, just one store. That my friends, is slavery.

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      • smokey says:

        Yeah, no way anyone could have just gone to the store up the street. It’s going to be bad. Don’t let on you have food in your house.

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    24. ScoutMotto says:

      Yesterday, CNN said that “Obama warns of another financial meltdown.” They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore.

      Use your money while it still has value – NOW.
      Get the repaired – NOW.
      Get cash out of the bank – NOW.
      Get that #10-can food – NOW.
      Get the car fixed – NOW.
      Get your medicine – NOW.
      Get out of debt – NOW.
      Get the ammo – NOW.

      The time for warning is just about passed. Get on the stick.

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      • ScoutMotto says:

        That should say “get the whatever repaired” – NOW.

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          • ScoutMotto says:

            Ah, the resident Doubting Thomas speaks.

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              • Archivist says:

                Is your hand tired yet?

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          • yental says:

            For “Pete’s sake Rich 99″ it is YENTAL. I am devastated that you have misspelled my FAKE name. ;)!

            Indulge a quick, and short analogy for me as penance. I witness a man/woman falling from the roof of a 100 story building. I predict this unfortunate individual will “die on impact” with the ground. Does this prediction indicate I “desire” my stated observation, prediction, and/or forecast?

            With respect to your logic concerning the fact that the “second amendment” is still intact…A simple declaration of MARTIAL LAW is all that is necessary to render gun ownership/use “unlawful”. Not that it will change the mindset of most at this site, and others like it.

            As demonstrated in the thuggery surrounding hurricane Katrina, THEY will attempt to render the “right to keep/bear arms null and void whether the second amendment still exists…or not.

            You have mis-characterized me if you believe I want what is now inevitable, to occur.

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          • Satori says:

            RICH

            how much does the .gov pay you to post on the internet
            is it by the post
            or do ya work by the hour?

            let us know
            and get us some job applications
            some of us need some extra $$$ for preppin’

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        • Gregory8 says:

          RICH99: Remarks like yours just take my breath away. What do you mean “Nothing of major significance”? Since the creation of the FED in 1913 we’ve seen the continued devaluation of the dollar; to date it has lost 98.5% of its original buying power as measured in the value of gold. We are spread around the entire planet (militarily) trying desperately to hold onto our bloated economic empire run by international business interests. This plan includes the nearly entire dismantling of our industrial infrastructure all in the name of corporate profits. This has led to steady decline in skilled/higher paying jobs which has in turn led to greater welfare dependency because former craftsmen can’t support families on the wages paid in “service industry” jobs (you want fries with that?). MGen S. Butler USMC, double recipient of the Medal of Honor, put it best buy saying that this country is run by and for large business interests who don’t give a damn about the blood spilled to maintain their profit margins. This slow collapse continues today and will until we wake up one day and the trucks have stopped running and no one answers 9-1-1. Stockton, and now Detroit, along with a number of smaller towns and counties are already living this nightmare. Just wait, it’s coming to a town near you. Maybe then you’ll think it’s “Significant”! By chance, were your parents Mr. and Mrs. Magoo ?

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          • dave in Id says:

            Japan and China are dumping bonds. I think about 40 billion last month.

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            • dave in Id says:

              How did my about post end up down here? It was supposed to be for Penrnca about ten up. Oh well, now that im here, Greg8. Thanks for reminding me Half my retirement income is from the city of Stockton. I really like to forget the fact that some day that check aint gonna arrive.

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              • Gregory8 says:

                Dave in Id: Sorry to hear that pal. I lived there in the mid 50′s when I was very young. Lived in Calif. for 19 of my first 21 years before going into the military. The state has gone to sh*t, glad I live in a small town in the south-east part of the country. Again, my condolences. ALL the checks are going to stop one day, just some sooner than others, so keep prepping.

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            • yental says:

              You ain’t seen nothin yet!(Boston, the band)

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        • swampratt says:

          Rich99 If you get hungry I don’t have food to spare
          to feed you but I do have extra LEAD

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      • slingshot says:

        “Don’t Worry, Be Happy”

        Bob Marley

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    25. caliber says:

      The only problem I see with an economic collapse, is martial law. Our preps will keep us alive, until 2 hummers with 10 guys come knocking house to house. You will either die fighting, or be left with no preps… as a young man is his 20′s, “dying on my feet” doesn’t seem so heroic.. seems kinda dumb..
      if there is a ww3, I feel like our government will be too occupied to engage in martial law, in which case, pepper’s would be way better off. oh well, play it as it goes.

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      • Gregory8 says:

        Caliber: Are you kidding? There are over 315 Million folks that live in over 132 Million separate dwellings in the 5th largest country in the world. The combined armies of the US, Russia, and China couldn’t go house to house and do it in under 10 years. Maybe if they shipped all their personnel here and no one did their support jobs, of which is always the bulk of military personnel. But soldiers need to eat, they need supplies, they need transportation, they need to sleep, they need medical care, etc. No, 10 years and they may get it done. That’s why living in a small town hours away from any major metro area has its advantages. So, in ten years when they do finally show up at my door, I’ll be long gone. But I figure they’ll be long dead or have returned home before that happens.

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      • Gonetoolong says:

        I agree, don’t die young. Hide many essentials. Throw them your partial. Take names and hunt them down one by one on your terms. When the type of scenario you speak of happens, all is fair. Time will come to get ruthless. Just as our ancestors did. This does not mean die on the spot fighting on their terms against Hummers and SWAT teams. This means organizing, covert operations, sniping. Their side will lose lives in public bathrooms, the baseball fields, the mall, wherever it needs to take place. This is our country. Not the fucking politicians and government. We will take her back. Do it intelligently.

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    26. fiftyfiver says:

      Get out of Dodge if you ain’t already. Are the good times really over for good? Yes Merle it looks like it passed time to ring the Liberty Bell. Peace be to all the Prepared.

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    27. Patriot One says:

      You think somethings amiss, Mac?? Just look at who the who’s, who are today. What has any of them ever built??

      Most of them are the 80′s MBA’s that destroyed so much of America’s manufacturing in the late 80′s and 90′s. Before the companies knew what happened, they build their resume and were gone. The companies, most of which have long since gone out of business. Their mantra was lower sales, lower cost and manpower at a higher profit.

      It sounded good and actually worked until there was change, innovation, competition or a down business cycle. At that point the companies sales and cash were already down and well, you know the rest of the stories.

      Today everything is an illusion or propaganda. The only thing that’s real is what you have in your possession. Hopefully that’s; Bullets, Beans and Band aids, backed up by God, Gold and Guns.

      Do you ever wonder how the government knows they have a deficit, if they have no budget?

      If the government can just print money, why do we need to pay more taxes?

      Buckle up folks reality is just about ready to smack us in the face. To my friends and family who thought I was a bit nuts over the last 7 years. I want you all to know I’m fresh out of Tin Foil Hats!!!

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      • Boss Hog says:

        Nice one Patriot One
        thats a really great question ” Do you ever wonder how the govt knows they have a deficit if they dont have a budget?” Sometimes the blatantley obvious is completely hidden in plain sight. Glad you brought that up. And yeah we’re fresh out of tinfoil up here too.

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        • Patriot One says:

          Thanks Boss Hog. We all know the true 2012 deficit was really in the neighborhood of 7.7 Trillion. Now all of the sudden 2013 is under 1 trillion, hummmm! It must be that new math.

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      • 7 3/4 tinfoil hat says:

        I have extras if you need one

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      • markinAZ says:

        NOOOO, tin foil for you!

        reminds me of the soup Nazi from the Stienfield show.
        just a little humor from within the world of shit were all in.

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      • Kulafarmer says:

        @Patriot one
        Look as well at who has been appointed by the POSTUS to almost all upper level positions
        Bunch of crooked scammers,
        The government et al is not only dragging us into the abyss they are stacking the deck against us, there was an article on Project Chesapeake a while back about the ties of every appointed officials ties to some very shady foreign actors,
        THE GOVERNMEN NO LONGER IS LEGITIMATE,
        Prepare for having to fight if you want your freedom back
        Think of the founders and all those who have fought in the name of liberty for our country through the ages, stand for it or grovel at the feet of the tyrants.
        NOMI
        MOLON LABE FUCKERS

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        • Patriot One says:

          Thanks Kulafarmer, I agree totally with your broken Latin. I had never heard of the Chesapeake Project before so ill check it out.

          We do need to connect the dots on the government because they sure as hell are connecting all the dot on our private lives without cause 99.999% of the time. That .001 has nothing with us.

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      • nosuchuser says:

        Interesting point. What I’ve learned is that the minute the MBAs start talking about ‘maximizing shareholder value’ is time to start the job hunt. Get a new job before they drive the company into the ground and you have to compete with your former coworkers.

        Bonus Question:
        What does MBA stand for? Master of Barely Anything…

        In engineering classes the mantra for anyone who can’t (or won’t) hack it is: business school is THAT way.

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    28. De Oppresso Liber says:

      When the bank that is the Plunge Protection Team owns all the stocks and bonds . . . who do they trade with. Maybe it is two banks just swapping the manure back and forth.

      De Oppresso Liber

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    29. Grow-Your-Own. says:

      With my white house connection,I found out what the closed door meeting was about. Flash… the Goverment ran out of chickens for every pot. They have been all culled by trying to eliminate the avian flu.

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    30. Slobesky O'gorki says:

      Simplify, de-clutter, downsize, and de-bank as much as possible, as part of your preps. Since we never really own real estate outright, and there is always the threat of ‘Eminent Domain’, mobile homelessness (Full time RV, housetruck/bus living) is another viable option to being
      mortgaged and taxed out of your home. Knowledgeable, skilled tradespeople thrive in this kind of lifestyle, as
      ‘workampers’, being able to go wherever the work is. TPTB
      may outsource manufacturing jobs and anything that can be done on a computer, but they will never be able to outsource skilled tradespeople to carry on repairs in the Homeland. Although, foreign companies, that have bought up Canadian companies are bringing in all sorts of
      labour from thier countries, these workers don’t even come close to the skillsets of Apprentices and Journeymen
      who have gone through the rigours of thier mandatory Canadian province’s Apprenticeship training programs. The
      signs are all becoming clearer, as these foreign companies take over Canadian companies. The influx of OFW’s will eventually drive the wages of qualified trades
      people downward, as they find loopholes to circumvent the
      conditions of the Apprenticeship system, at the provincial level. Even now, there are many ‘Fresh off the Boat’ immigrants taking over liquor stores, gas stations, banking/finance, taxi cabs, car dealer
      ships,etc. FTOB’s are moving into and taking over prestigeous neighbourhoods, once occupied by regular working WASPs. Things look like they are booming in Aberta, but all of the percieved prosperity is nothing more than an illusion with all the new construction, and oilfield activity, being borrowed into exsistance. Things are bad, in the U.S., but Canada is just as, if not more vulnerable with Cyprus style bank bail-in clauses written in the Federal 2013 budget, as Canadian
      banks haven’t had a reserve requirement since 1994.

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      • BigB says:

        @Slobesky O’gorki,

        Most people cannot or refuse to or are unable to understand your comment. It is so true. You have thought this out all the way and are correct in almost everyword you posted.

        BigB

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    31. Goliath says:

      Let’s get on with it then. I’m tired of all the predictions… let the f’king thing collapse so we can start from scratch. This time NO ISRAELIS MONEY CHANGERS ALLOWED.

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    32. hoser says:

      Could be about the G-20 meeting early next month that the US will not be attending. The dollar is dead. They (BRICS) have a new monetary system ready to go and it is probably backed by Gold. Gold that the US no longer has. Clinton/Rubin made sure of that. Pehaps, Gold/Silver are about to run-up in price. Whatever the reason, we should know with in a week…. Prepare now. Time is short.

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      • Mr. Blutarsky says:

        Good call, you could be right!

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      • Two Buckets says:

        Thats why US, UK, France are desperate to regain control of their old middle east colonies so they can hold the oil card against the developing nations. The Syrian people are not only fighting imported terrorist scum from Iraq Libya Chechnia Qatar/Saudi/UAE European Union UK civilian & covert military but the msm lies & propaganda. Dr Bashar Al Assad who is not only taller than Obamy the megalomaniac but has a real profession as an Ophthamologist (eye doctor) unlike the worlds most powerful drop out Furthermore army doctor Bashar who is totaly against abortion unlike BO & drone child killer Clinton how then is this man going to kill hundreds of children with gas? dont believe everything those msm sodomites spew out of their mouths

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    33. jim in Va. says:

      Get lots of Vapo-rub…the smell is getting bad.

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    34. Yeah, there is a crisis at hand. The Obamination is trying to figure out how to pay for all the summer vacations they took.

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    35. incognito says:

      Awe shit this might be it. Hope it’s just another gold smash a coming, but it’s missing some players.

      Melon labia, or something.

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      • yental says:

        “Melon labia”! Is that a “feminine hygiene” product? I fought/tried, but lost the battle of “TO POST, OR NOT TO POST”…that WAS the question.

        The answer…obvious.

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    36. Can ya’ll help me with this article it is from WND of which I know nothing. It is claiming that Obamas brother is a member of the Muslim brohood.
      It also says the banksters were trying to bankrupt Egypt.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/obamas-brother-linked-to-muslim-brotherhood/Just need to know if WND is reputable…thanks

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    37. @ BI
      6.2 mag earthquake in Mexico. Not the big one but you did say Mexico would get hit. Good job. If you get a chance can you see where this points to next….thanks

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      • t-zulu says:

        new Madrid is key, little shaker 2-3 days ago, sorry B I hobby of mine since I live there lol

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      • Be informed says:

        @ ed. Yes I did say southern Mexico was going to be hit on comment # 2098195, but with a major earthquake. This would be 6.5 or higher. 6.2 is close, but not quite large enough. It does show that plates can forecast earthquakes. When certain points react, they indicate a certain area ready to let loose. I use the analogy of a car’s windshield, a axle, a dam, even a sidewalk or a road has cracks, micro and visible that point to where the break will likely occur.

        The areas on that comment are absolutely still in play until the end of the month. Right now I only see the areas on comment #2098195 until August 31, and that arc from the South Sandwich Islands quake on July 15, until August 26. Those areas on the arc still include Northern Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, central Mexico, northern Texas, Idaho Wyoming Montana area, Cascadia fault, southern Alaska especially Aleutian Islands, eastern Russia, China, Burma and eastern India, far western Indonesia, and the southern African plate.

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    38. 10mm says:

      If one remembers the DHS blower “Rosebud”,he timing was off but not the events to unfold.

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      • JayJay says:

        This one 10mm??

        Leaked 27th December 2012 to Doug Hagman at Canada Free Press.•plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS (Jarrett and Napolitano)
        •Jarrett has the final say
        •Money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than it can be counted.
        •DHS is turning the police into soldiers
        •They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being planned right now
        •If you get nothing else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the gun confiscation begins
        •Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo.
        •DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps.
        •Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile
        •I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order
        •We’re talking travel restrictions – The TSA will be in charge of travel
        •Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws
        •Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources.
        •they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook, which, by the way as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed….there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.
        •will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.
        •By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage

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        • Sheepdog says:

          Makes me think of the Gray State trailer, every time I watch that I get a shiver up my spine.

          Had a dream a few months ago, working in the yard, a military type vehicle pulls into my driveway, a foreign looking troop gets out and says we’re looking for illegal weapons. I remember running to my house and the sound of automatic fire, I woke up shaking.

          I’ll tell y’all what, with the new Barry Sotoro revelation of a muslim brotherhood association with his half-brother “Roy”, look for something to happen…

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        • 10mm says:

          Thanks Jay Jay.That is the one.

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        • yental says:

          “Rosebud”, like the best “agenda agents” presents a plausible story line base on recent/current alternative media “themes and trends”.

          IMO, the characters like “Rosebud” accomplish ONE GOAL above all others…KEEP FEAR AND DOUBT ABOUT SUCCESSFUL RESISTANCE ALIVE.

          WE had best be taking out ALL targets of opportunity. Hourly, daily, weekly.

          Time to go “guerrilla” the same day “amnesty-my-ass” is announced. Snipers, patriots, and survivors…man your local battle stations.

          FIRE and “blend back in”…24/7. THEY will KNOW FEAR and uncertainty too! And by comparison…Their numbers are few.

          The first couple of “door kicking teams” massacred…will change that tactic in a heartbeat. Or, WE can all go hide and let THEM write the script unopposed. In other words, “the same old same old” WE have tolerated all along! Great plan. Obvious future.

          NONE OF THIS IS COMING. It is already here. Chemical weapons, the “Obama line in the sand” is now FACT according to the state-run-media.

          Who is kidding Who…on this site, or anywhere else?

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          • Gonetoolong says:

            This is my line of thought as well. I foresee weapons such as a 6 inch 357 being very useful. Small enough to conceal with coat, accurate enough for a 30 yd shot in short time frame and powerful enough to get the job done. The folks that think you will stand there and fight off an MRAP yelling Geronimo are retards. Things need to get devious and guerrilla as you say. Shivs, blades, piano wire, baseball bats. Anything goes. The higher up the officer/puppet the better. I want my country back. When the going gets tough, the tough get mean, dirty, and rotten to the bone. This is how I will fight and this is the only way we will win against the machine that is our government.

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        • braveheart says:

          JayJay, I remember reading that same article. the timing is off, but I’m still looking for such events to take place. braveheart

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        • Two Buckets says:

          try get a 458 socom

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    39. eeder says:

      The fed minutes today said, basically, “We do not think we can start to take the crack(QE) away like we said we would in September, but we are going to start taking it away sometime soon.” The stock market and the more importantly, the bond market have done the opposite, after this, of what the fed was hoping for and expecting. The stock market went down and 10 year yields have surged to 52 week highs. The federal reserve has lost control of markets. Not that they should control them in the first place. I expect yields to really start to surge now.

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    40. Writing on the wall is , retail gasoline sales on a month to month basis are half of what they were in 2004-2005.

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    41. Writing on the wall is , retail gasoline sales on a month to month basis are half of what they were in 2004-2005.

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      • Kevin2 says:

        M

        Energy use is the pulse of a nation. I use the Baltic Dry Index to gauge the same internationally. The velocity of money is low and nothing will increase it without igniting a huge increase in inflation due to the increase in the money supply.

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        • Mal Reynolds says:

          Sorry, Kevin2, but I disagree with you there. The velocity of money is low because it is being hoarded by companies, banks, and individuals that are too afraid to spend, borrow, loan, or invest. And the fear comes from bloated governments crowding out capital investment with outrageously high taxes and equally outrageously high levels of regulation. Europe, Japan and the US are all dead in the water until their people figure out Socialism just plain sucks.

          At the beginning of the century, the US had the highest per capita income in the world and the smallest federal government amongst the industrialized nations. Cast off 90% of the federal government and you solve 90% of your problems.

          Mal

          PS John Maynard Keynes was an idiot

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          • Mal Reynolds says:

            Sorry, should also have mentioned that I completely agree with you as far as using the Baltic Dry Index to gauge global economic well being. Used to have a fair amount of stock in DSX and DRYS. I stress used to…

            Mal

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    42. 22Mission says:

      As I read this I cannot help mentioning the strange weather this summer .
      Even though I’m living in these hills in the south, this is the coolest, rainest, weirdest summer season I have ever experienced or heard of .

      And it’s the cool that is concerning .

      Never mind I find myself checking preps and gear .
      nearly every night I dream of freezing cold .
      And ice covering everything .

      Hence my building heaters and stoves with tin cans .
      And experimenting with wax filled tuna cans stuffed with cardboard .
      They work great, by the way .
      I use a #10 can as the outside and put a slightly smaller large beef stew type can inside . Burn time is something I need to check .
      But now have several dozen squirreled away of the filled tuna cans .
      Am running into crap using cotton twine for wicking on the glass jars I filled for candle light .
      The twine I used was too small . When I light one, the fire burns a hole down the middle . Uggg.

      Live and learn .
      Take care
      NOMI
      Mission

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      • Sigi says:

        If you have money for it, buy real wicking at a fabric/ hobby store. Another option is a thin piece of wood. My spouse bought a candle last year with a wooden wick- about 1/4″ wide and 1/16″ thick. I’ve taken to using similar wicks in fire starters, but it may work well for a home-made candle.

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    43. boomer slave says:

      So I’m almost 50.
      I’m behind a massive wave of people who sold off the factories to china.
      They will be going after anything they can to steal the wealth.
      This also includes devaluing the dollar and massive debt.

      SO….
      DON’T HIRE BOOMERS!!!!
      DON’T HIRE DEMS.

      Just look for the grey hair and the obummer bumper sticker.

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      • maddog says:

        I’ve been telling all that will listen and those that won’t boomer slave, the hippies will not go to Zen cave in the after world until they destroy everything. You can’t expect the most destructive generation in history to do anything else. Anyone needs proof of what is happening, just check out what demographic has rising incomes and increased wages. Hint >60.

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        • maddog says:

          Here we go again with thumbs down but no comment as to why. It’s like all the Vietnam vets there seem to be now a days. I can remember the wonderful hippie/boomers spitting on returning vets and hauling ass to Canada to avoid service. I really need to start the website I’ve been planning real soon, expose-a-hippie.com. They seem to have either forgotten all the shit they’ve done or are ashamed of it (rightfully so). Hell they even spit on me and I served after 1975. Now that stolen valor is no longer a crime all the silver pony-tales can be want-to-be war hero’s and lie to their grandchildren. In the end, God knows the truth. It will suck to them then.

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    44. BackSpace says:

      Gov’t Seeking New High Tech for Arms Control:

      “”seeks to develop innovative arms control inspection tools and processes that capture the potential of an era characterized by mobile devices and open information sharing. Ideas are being solicited for technology solutions to support future arms control inspections.””

      https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933381

      Sorry, a tad off topic….

      BS

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      • dave in Id says:

        Backscanners (xray) are in use right now. They can drive down the street and scan your car for handguns. They use this technology at the borders and in Kalifornia. TSA @ the airports use this also. All the toothpaste/hygiene shit they take is just for themselves.

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    45. Satori says:

      this video is from a “competing” web site
      (hattip Modern Survival Blog)
      but you NEED to watch it

      God help us all….

      Video: Is Something About To Happen?

      http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/video-is-something-about-to-happen/#more-29571

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    46. aljamo says:

      I recently read that in the original u. s. constitution there was an amendment that barred lawyers from running for public office of any kind. Sometime in the 1800′s this law was changed by hidden means, like the backdoor creation of the Fed and income tax. The re up of the Fed charter is 4 months away, if we survive that long.

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      • eeder says:

        That is not correct. The fed charter ended at the end of 2012. It has not been renewed. The fed has essentially been taken over by the government already. This has been kept very quiet as well as the swap agreements which in effect means the greenback is no longer reserve. These details just get thrown to the side though. The government does not feel any need any longer to follow any laws or agreements. Lawyers should not be allowed to run for public office. But they do. We live in a state of anarchy really.

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        • Outlaw says:

          That is not correct. I have seen you post this mis-info a few times eeder, so I have decicided to step in and correct you. The fed reserve charter was renegotiated in the 30′s and is now open-ended. No expiration date. All that has to be done to end it, is to pay back the initial injection of money. I have forgotten the figure, but it is small in today’s terms. Something like 11 billion. Don’t feel bad, I was under the same illusion as you until very recently.

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          • I’m not sure of the repayment part, but the charter IS open ended and can only be repealed by Congress… lol…as if they would kill their meal ticket.

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      • Pencrna says:

        I’m no historian, but I believe others have discussed that here in association with legislation that makes the US a corporation???? Anyone?

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    47. John_Allen says:

      They do not have our best interests at heart. Anyone who has left their wealth where those vermin can steal it deserves what they get.

      I went to pay a utility bill today. By cash. Got into the coolest conversation with the customer service representative, who has also gotten out of banks and set aside logistics. Her family also shoots. I told her she is miles ahead of many because she is.

      The typical sheeple who are so throughly brainwashed, so saturated with MSM bullshit that they’ve lost the capacity to think for themselves (if they ever had it) … so sorry but they deserve what they get.

      Sixty years ago no sane adult would have taken pride in abdicating responsibility for his family’s future. But these days it’s a tribal identifier.

      When the consequences arrive I can hear the whining now. “Why didn’t anyone tell us?”
      “It’s not fair that you have {cash, food, self-defense) and we don’t. Waaaaaaaa.”

      I beg your pardon. It’s as fair as it gets. Having the brains to think for themselves, and the backbone to act on their own conclusions, is all that is required. Those traits used to be standard issue among competent adults.

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    48. matt says:

      Even those of us that were totally ignorant of these things before 2008 saw the light then.
      Heck a blind man could see the pin hole in the black out curtain after that.
      So if folks are still squirting brown sun shine out of there bums after that, there is no hope for them.

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    49. Indiffissible says:

      It has become apparent that the rhetoric regarding the economic collapse has kicked up significantly over the last 60 days, just like it did prior to the 08 meltdown.

      I work around the retail automotive industry and have other business interests, one of which is in plastic injection molding. Our business on both sides are beginning to fall off the cliff. The only people buying vehicles right now are those whom desperately need them. The plastic business is all but shutting down. We have seen several orders cancelled and fear is growing.

      I am not sure if this is it, but I am re-kicking up my preps once again. I had found some comfort over the last year with the “normalcy bias” creeping back into my mind. I once was romanced by the thought of everything collapsing and us resetting the clock so to speak. I am now terrified of it actually becoming reality. We speak of having preps for 90 days plus, but it is a fact that there is not ever going to be enough bullets, beans or bandaids.

      My family and I have a strong support network of like minded folks that numbers well over 100 men and women. I am well trained in desert survival, combat operations and have significant combat experience as do many of our network. I am still scared shitless of the reality of the hell we may very well be entering right here on earth.

      It will turn into gang warfare and the strong will survive, but no one will thrive.

      During the depression of the 30′s we were a much better behaved “civilization”, people had honor and had a strong sense of what is right and wrong. People were much more self-reliant and had a desire to help there fellow man. Now we have a society that is at comprised of at least 165,000,000 “entitled” people whom depend on the government for daily subsistence. I recently read an article that said 70% of our population that do not prep now, have intentions of stealing and pillaging in the event of some type of catastrophic meltdown from those of us who do.

      Prey for the best and prepare for the worst.

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      • Indiffissible says:

        oops I meant pray for the best…Freudian slip?

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      • Dejavous says:

        Some of the experts on the matter of post-collapse project that 90% of those in large metro-politan areas will be dead from starvation or violence within about 3 weeks. Stores will empty within about 2-4 hours. Gas will be gone or unavailable for the most part. Those in outlying towns will ban together and form militias for protection to discourage those fleeing the cities. Martial Law will be instituted very quickly making it very difficult to leave a city. Roadblocks will discourage travel as well. They say that if one is to survive – get out of the cities within 24-48 hours or you will be stuck there for the duration. Have a plan in place and be ready to move quickly with a pre-planned destination. It will get dangerous fast when it all comes down.
        This is the information and advise they offer currently from experience.

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      • Indiffissable, sad to hear your business is hurting. I work in a machine shop that has. mainly 3 customers that provide 80 percent of what we do, which mostly is for hydraulic. Today they let one guy go and told a few others to take a day off without pay. I don’t know for sure but it might be a sign of things to come.
        About th hoards of the unprepared, it’s going to be scary, ugly and sad. Millions will die in ways I don’t wanna even imagine. It will be us against basically everyone

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      • slingshot says:

        You got it right and No B.S.

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    50. Cowdoc says:

      JayJay I think you have this deal pegged. This meeting Mac has written about was to hash out the details of the already planned currency collapse in the next 60 days. All money will be declared worthless, all banks will close and the stock market will shut down. New money will be issued by the government to individuals as they think you need it. Every citizen of this country who has any assets will have it all confiscated, and there will be no more national debt. Martial law will be invoked to maintain order and collect all weapons.

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    51. Tribal identifier. That’s funny as hell.

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    52. Jack says:

      It could also very well relate to Barry getting his marching orders on who to pick for the new Fed Chairman. Or if it is Yellen the new Chairwomen

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    53. Satori says:

      FAKE SYRIAN CHEMICAL ATTACK VIDEO

      http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=59434

      ok
      anyone volunteering to send their son to fight THIS war ?

      anyone ?

      ANYONE???

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      • possee says:

        satori

        Read your link….interesting.

        Of course the “official” narrative will be exactly the same as the precursor to Iraq 2..WMD’s!!!..this time with “so called” proof positive photos to boot!

        The media is already running full steam with this gas attack..preparing the willing masses to lap up all the propaganda to support another “humanitarian” effort by bombing Syria into the stone age,whilst we arm the insurgents aka AlQaeda aka Al cia ada or whatever..

        It’s to the point where nothing is believable anymore nor trusted in my world view..it’s all distorted beyond recognition..

        But we do understand the agenda at hand…another mini war in the name of promoting democracy…all for [profit and enriching the banking military complex once again…and collateral damage be damned..!!

        At least this takes Egypt, Benghazi,IRS, NSA DHS and the wonderful economic recovery off the front pages once again..

        I’m going back to my preps/gardening..the only thing that makes sense nowadays..

        possee

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    54. Mal Reynolds says:

      Seen several articles on the “Hindenburg Omen” portending a stock market crash. Also read an article about how the Fed’s lost control of long term interest rates. Guarantee you this meeting wasn’t about cupcakes and unicorns. They know the train’s about to come off the tracks. The real question is, what actions are they going to take after it does? Faber, Rogers, Celente and others have already said the next crash is going to make ’08 look like a walk in the park. Great. Can’t wait… (sarcasm)…

      Mal

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    55. GreatAmericanRedoubt says:

      This is all smoke and Mirrors….

      there is a real danger and threat today!

      *******ATTENTION: 08/21/2013 FUKUSHIMA NUCLEAR WARNING!!!!!!*********

      Japan to issue gravest Fukushima nuclear warning in two years:
      Japan will dramatically raise its warning about the severity of a toxic radioactive water leak at the Fukushima nuclear plant, its nuclear watchdog said on Wednesday, its most serious action since the plant was destroyed in 2011. The deepening crisis at the Fukushima plant will be upgraded from a level 1 “anomaly” to a level three “serious incident” on an international scale for radiological releases, a spokesman for Japan’s Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) said. That will mark the first time Japan has issued a warning on the International Nuclear Event Scale (INES) since the three reactor meltdowns.

      Reports from Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, say that measurements of radioactive tritium in seawater — seeping out of the nuclear complex via groundwater into the sea — show levels at 4700 becquerels per liter, the highest tritium level in the measurement history. The highest tritium levels have come in the past 15 days, the same reports show. TEPCO also revealed that the highest levels of radiation in seawater were detected near reactor 1. Previous measurements showed the levels at 3800 becquerels per liter near reactor 1, and 2600 becquerels per liter near reactor 2, but the measurements have been showing increased radiation levels in the past 2 weeks.

      Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is preparing to remove 400 tons of highly irradiated spent fuel from a damaged reactor building, a dangerous operation that has never been attempted before on this scale. Containing radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released in the U.S. atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima, more than 1,300 used fuel rod assemblies packed tightly together need to be removed from a building that is vulnerable to collapse, should another large earthquake hit the area. Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) is already in a losing battle to stop radioactive water overflowing from another part of the facility, and experts question whether it will be able to pull off the removal of all the assemblies successfully.

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      • The Rifleman Next Door says:

        nuclear power outside of military applications never should have been attempted.

        If an EMP wiped all or half the global grid out….imagine every reactor whose control systems were fried across the globe cooking-off and melting down one by one life fuckup-ishima until the entire biosphere becomes a radioactive dead zone.

        Just another way the unaccountable corporate elite have created a way to destroy humanity in pursuit of a higher quarterly profit.

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      • dave in Id says:

        They HAVE to remove them. I think they are stored on the third floor making it a real difficult task.

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    56. GreatAmericanRedoubt says:

      All three reactors at Fukushima-Daichi are out of control and will continue their slow nuclear burn for hundreds if not thousands of years. At this point in time, the three reactors have burned through the steel reactor vessels, burned through the concrete floor of the reactor chamber, burned through the reactor building sub-floor, and are now burning through the earth below the reactor buildings. The reactors have hit groundwater in the soil below the reactor buildings and are making this groundwater boil, with resulting bubbling of the intensely radioactive groundwater up to the ground surface of the nuclear installation.

      TEPCO [Tokyo Electric Power Company] has constructed a concrete wall around the reactor buildings in an attempt to contain the bubbling radioactive groundwater, but now the water is flowing over the concrete barrier, into the Pacific Ocean, at the rate of 300 tons per day, according to the Japanese Government. Since these people have lied consistently about Fukushima, it is a safe bet that this reported 300 tons of “hot” water per day is hysterically underestimated. As a consequence, the entire Pacific Ocean will become uninhabitable for marine life in a few years. We are already seeing extreme mutations in some marine life forms from this uncontrollable dumping of radioactive water into the Pacific.

      This is the China Syndrome at its worst.

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    57. gwynmarilyn says:

      I am waiting for what will come first.

      Big bank fails
      US dollar drop as the way to buy oil.
      Congress shut down government to long.
      G-20 turns on the US dollar.

      two of those are open for Sept. meetings
      the other two open for anytime.

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    58. maddog says:

      I’m sure the meeting will bring about something bad. If anyone hasn’t noticed, everything ocommie touches turns to shit. Now I see today that every commie news channel (abc, cbs, nbc, mslsd fox) are all reporting on Syria. (Like Egypt doesn’t exist anymore). Looks like their preparing to up the stacks in the middle east. We should be looking for the terror threat in the US to be increased very soon to keep with the current bullshit propaganda.

      1. economy + 2. mid east war + 3. homeland terror = more freedom up in smoke.

      Look for a new crackdown on the American sheeple as we are told to cower in place very shortly.

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    59. The Rifleman Next Door says:

      if the bubble bursts and things melt down and everyone is panicking and starving and blood is running in the streets….cats and dogs having babies etc. etc, I’m going to stop paying my debts and hold onto my cash until things settle down.

      When things get back to semi-normal, I’ll begin paying my debts again (that is, if the companies that I owed money to are still in existence-which includes the debt collection companies that currently harass the poor and underwater like hyenas harass a wounded lion)

      Otherwise, I just don’t give a fuck because there’s nothing I can do about it except stay alive and feed and protect my family. America effectively died in 1913 and the animation has just about drained out of the corpse now….there is nothing left to resurrect or save here….

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    60. Satori says:

      Database-hating National Rifle Association may very well have you in its database if you own a gun

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/21/1232835/-Database-hating-National-Rifle-Association-may-very-well-have-you-in-its-database-if-you-own-a-gun

      One of the mainstays of the argument the National Rifle Association and other gun lobby groups have made against universal background checks for gun sales is that this would create a database that would amount to a backdoor registration system which would eventually be used to confiscate some or all firearms. That was one of the key arguments that stopped the watered-down Manchin-Toomey gun safety legislation in April.

      Universal background checks don’t require a registry. Background checks mandated for commercial sales don’t produce such a registry. Which is not to say that a registry is a bad idea.

      Indeed, for the past 79 years, there has been a registry that was initiated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. It requires anyone who wants to buy a machine-gun or other fully automatic firearm, silencer or gadget-gun (like a cane gun) undergo a thorough FBI background check, pay a tax and have their name and the weapon they have purchased added to a registry, which was long ago turned into a computer database. In all those years, there has been no confiscation of the hundreds of thousands of weapons registered on that database, no harassment of their owners, no midnight knocks at the door.

      But, as pointed out by TriSec, the NRA is not so skittish when it comes to the database the organization itself maintains:
      But in fact, the sort of vast, secret database the NRA often warns of already exists, despite having been assembled largely without the knowledge or consent of gun owners. It is housed in the Virginia offices of the NRA itself. The country’s largest privately held database of current, former, and prospective gun owners is one of the powerful lobby’s secret weapons, expanding its influence well beyond its estimated 3 million members and bolstering its political supremacy.

      That database has been built through years of acquiring gun permit registration lists from state and county offices, gathering names of new owners from the thousands of gun-safety classes taught by NRA-certified instructors and by buying lists of attendees of gun shows, subscribers to gun magazines, and more, BuzzFeed has learned. [...]

      The NRA won’t say how many names and what other personal information is in its database, but former NRA lobbyist Richard Feldman estimates they keep tabs on “tens of millions of people.”
      In other words, this ain’t no membership list. These are not people voluntarily providing their information to the NRA. These aren’t people checking a “terms of service” box. This is the association Hoovering up all these data without any of the targets on those lists having a clue it’s happening. Please read more below the fold on the NRA’s game.

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      • Smokey says:

        It’s called good marketing research.

        Did you fall for the premise of the article that since the NRA has a database of likely members, the Gov’t should have a database of gun owners?

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    61. BENT says:

      WHAT GREAT PEOPLE YOU HAVE WRITING HERE, ILE SAY IVE HAD A LAUGH OR TO. THE OB DIDN’T CALL THIS MEETING, THE BANKERS DID. AND THIS IS ALL ABOUT GOLD AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT DELIVERY. FORT KNOX IS THE LAST PLACE THAT THERE IS ANY GOLD LEFT, WELL WHATEVER IS LEFT. THE BANKERS HAVE MADE DEALS WITH BAD PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT SETTLE FOR PAPER.AS I SEE IT THE LAST OF THIS GOLD WILL BE GONE,THEN THE COLLAPSE WILL START.

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    62. RICH98 says:

      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click to read it.

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    63. mkwtwg says:

      I’ve had heard some people talking about the Iraqi Dinar and that this meeting was about a global currency reset? But everything I see about the Iraqi Dinar says “SCAM.” Thoughts?

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    64. Be informed says:

      TO ALL INDIVIDUALS THAT CHOOSE TO BE TROLLERS AND CHILDISH TROUBLE MAKERS RATHER THAN PREPPERS/SURVIVALISTS OR JUST PLAIN CIVIL CONVERSATIONALISTS

      I have been hearing a lot of trolling around about calling the wise people that prepare Doomtards or other asinine names. Everybody has a right to their opinion, that is what the 1st Amendment guarantees. What is in question here is not whether someone believes that something is going to happen or not, it is whether they actually act on their very own personal interests and prepare for something WHEN it happens to them.

      Someone that fails to prepare will suffer, it happens all the time. Those that had the money and failed to purchase an electric back up generation suffered in the millions from no way of cooling themselves when power goes out for days or weeks. Those whom failed to store up food and other necessitites ended up in Red Cross or FEMA lines waiting for handouts, many hours often. Those whom failed to even fill up their vechicles fuel tanks suffered by waiting in lines in some far and away place from their homes. Could have stored up some gas in plastic gas containers. Whom is the tard?

      It could just be that certain individuals enjoy playing devil’s advocate, that is not bad because it gets others to think. Name calling because an individual doesn’t like what someone is saying is just being a brat, a noisy screaming little child or a screaming Macaw bird wanting attention. Instead of attempting to strike up a good healthy debate to make many others think, they rather just say something that a elementry kid would say and get their comment collapsed. There are some very intelligent people here and when someone presents a good argument to an issue people listen and talk back. This is what is called constructive talk.

      Rather than trying to label the trolls with amusing names, I summit a question to all that are playing around with themselves and others. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? These are very critical times. I can go into many reasons WHY this is different this time, and I have many times. Why would anyone be playing around when for whatever reason over 1000 people suffered horrible deaths over in Syria today. When Russia and China are positioning themselves for all out conventional and non-conventional war? Why would anyone be not taking what is happening in the world seriously?

      A person can be a doubting Thomas all they want, but since 2005 there have been many records broken that show something is wrong. The extremes are getting more extreme. Worst radiation disaster ever, worst oil disaster ever, most powerful deep focus earthquake ever, most powerful Japanese earthquake ever recorded, most powerful and largest tornado ever recorded, most powerful north landing hurricane every recorded, most powerful ever Atlantic hurricane, and lowest pressure ever, ever recorded with Hurricane Wilma, some of the worst flooding ever recorded. These are NOT chicken little’s they are freaking real, and those in the path of any of these that did not prepare were F’ed.

      I suggest to those that troll look into your own lives about just how well prepared your personal well being is. IF you are not well prepared, then you should be asking those out there that know what they are talking about how to better get ready. Just remember, you have been lucky not to be nailed by a SHTF event YET. One day if you do, which is likely, you will regret playing around and not getting help from the many good people that spend their own free time that want to assist others in preparation. Your choice to be a “TROLLTARD” or not.

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      • BI.. great write..
        they will get their wake up call soon enough..and there will always be the blind that will say when its at their door step “oh why didn’t anyone tell me”
        I have come to the point in my life where I don’t care if they are listening or realizing that what we know to be factual will affect them , its just a matter of time

        Some folks that I know of that were of the “cant happen to me” , are waking up to the fact that its already happened to them..and they are in the “now what do I do” group.

        I cant help them..I already tried to wake them up years and months ago , but was ignored.. I wasted energy that I could have used for my situation in life on them.. wont do it anymore Aint got the time or patience

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        • slingshot says:

          VRF
          There will come a time when excuses doesn’t cut it. There will be many, each to try to invoke “sympathy”. Sympathy, in itself, will become a rare commodity. Truth be told, I am at my limits dealing with ignorance and stupidity.

          I didn’t know it would get this bad.
          I thought you were kidding.
          I didn’t mean what I said before.
          The Government tricked us.
          What are “WE” going to do?

          Hmmmmmmmm. Feel the BURN!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • Norse Prepper says:

        Nice post BI. I would add to it by saying that to everyone who responds to a troll comment just lost to the troll. They are trying to post childish remarks to suck you in. You may feel that you really gave em hell, but just realize that after the troll sees that you are off topic and ticked off at their comments you put a victory smile on their face. They win, YOU lost.

        I again implore everyone who sees a troll comment to just red thumb the comment and move on without a response. Don’t let them suck you in. Their comment goes off in to obscurity and you win!

        There will be much less trolling if they realize nothing is biting! Fishing 101!

        See a troll comment, red thumb, move on, victory to all the constructive people on this site.

        See a troll comment, respond, troll is encouraged and posts another comment.

        Your choice.

        God Bless,
        NP

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      • cjmartel says:

        BI,

        I am an admirer of your postings, have been for quite some time, you are accurate, timely, and straight to the point. Regarding trolls, we have precious little time, to waste going after these “plants”, or “mis-information” types it is counter productive, the best thing to do, for all of us, is to label them a troll, regular posters will see the label and will steer clear of them. Your postings are far too critical at this point to be sidetracked by a handful of good nazis, and like it or not, this is what our government has become.
        Regarding the article about a possible coming financial catastrophe, even in my small circles, I have been hearing rumors, lots of them, timing is set for late September early October, I pray they are wrong.

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        • lonelonmum says:

          BI – well said.

          Here in the UK, the welfare system is set for a minor “reset” with the introduction of Universal Credit in October. I mention it, simply because the Central bankers don’t like us to realise that events are being carefully synchronised and orchestrated, across the globe.

          The UK’s welfare system is significant given that it is the home of “The City of London”, an autonomous region of the UK, where traditionally many of these bar stewards are head quartered. This is another chess piece in the global plantation plan being moved into place.

          London is in the middle of a flood of EU immigration from those regions of Europe where the financial tsunami has already hit. This huge influx of people is fuelling yet another housing boom of poorly built tiny apartments at crazy prices. In many areas there are not enough school places etc to go round.

          It’s seen as a safe haven for those seeking respite from the global turmoil taking place all over from Syria to Lithuania. Sadly however few have noticed that the ring of security we were told was just temporary for the Olympics, is in fact permanent. The UK authorities learnt from our last round of riots a couple of years back and now have the means to lock down the City, thereby protecting their own hides from the wrath of the people.

          My son’s dad comes from a small town just 70 miles South of Chernobyl. Having seen the inter-generational impact of one nuclear environmental disaster on human health. Japan is a nation that is now a dead man walking in my unqualified layman’s opinion.

          I get VERY angry that those brave souls who have given and continue to give their lives to protect mankind at Chernobyl do not receive the Universal acknowledgement that they deserve from across the globe. The truth of what’s happening in Japan is being even more obscured.

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      • Thanks for that BI.

        SHTF has happened in this country, regularly, it has happened to me personally in ’99. These were SHTF Lite events usually, hurricane and flood for me, tornado’s for others, the Detroit and LA riots, the depression, and going back in time, the Civil war was a major SHTF event for most southerners. Most DGI’s, don’t get, that civilization is a fragile veneer over the soul of animals.

        Just saw “Gone with the Wind” again… had forgotten what a SHTF movie that was, it was about the destruction of an entire civilization, to be replaced with the yankee version.

        It was a real wake up call. Only this time, the yankees are the Globalist Nazi’s, and we are all southerners.

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        • Be informed says:

          @ Piper Michael. I have never understood why everyone is not putting away food and other necessities, not necessarily for the mega SHTF events, but simply for the localized or personal nightmares that happen to most people sometime in their life. For someone to at least have non rotated items such as toilet paper, candles, sewing needs, white sugar, honey, fuel, etc, etc. etc. These items can be stored away and forgotten about until they are needed. Yet I see everyday survival items at garage sales all the time.

          The issue of having a full pantry is gone with most people because they expect it to always be there when they need it at a store. Even if the stores always remain open, the personal problems never cease. I have known too many people that get sick with the flu or something and then have to borrow something from a neighbor or have a friend run to the market for them because they have nothing in the house. This makes no sense at all. Even when someone has supplies in the house and a mega SHTF event happens they are still going to fare better than someone with nothing at all. This gives them at least some time to survive.

          I hear this over and over again about doomsayers. Really, does it hurt ANYONE to put away for tomorrow? The more you have the more time you have before having to search for food and other needs, the more time you can avoid getting into a hours long FEMA line. You would think having a tangible ready to use nest egg in your home in everyday needs would make anyone feel more secure. Go figure the human psyche.

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          • lonelonmum says:

            BI the absolute refusal to keep even enough tea bags and biscuits in the tin to be able to offer an unexpected cuppa cup of tea is something I’ll never get my head around!

            Here in the UK it’s very common to walk into a home with an expensive leather suite in the lounge, a wide screen TV, stinking of over priced air freshener and yet find your hostess cannot offer you any repast as her kitchen cupboards are bare. Her bin however may contain several days worth of left overs, such is her appalling housekeeping.

            The ability to buy tat on the never never has become more highly revered than having a few odds and sods put by to make a meal if the household routine is disrupted for any reason from bad weather to illness. Kidults is what we now have, where once grown ups raised their own children.

            Our Grandmothers would have turned in their graves at such an occurrence, manners meant that simple hospitality was regarded as a basic necessity.

            The tale of the ant and the grasshopper from Aesop’s fables was retold to generations of pre-schoolers and embedded into that generations psyche. It stood them in good stead when WW2 and the advent of rationing came around.

            The constant advertising for the film WWZ has made me realise – the elite view US as the Zombies! I see it as fair warning being given to the ordinary man by tptb – prepare or be one of the Zombie horde when the SHTF shortly.

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            • Sigi says:

              We’re BBC Drama afficinados and when we watched Upstairs Downstairs we re-discovered what a prepper Mrs. Bridges was. Now that lady would never have let the biscuit tin run out if faced with our circumstances. It’s sad to think that people today are less in tune with what needs to be done. Even a whisper of WWI or the General Strike and Mrs. Bridges had started stocking up on food before anything happened. When BI predicted a quake for our area (I see above that we’re still watching that arc) Mrs. Bridges came to mind and we started getting ready.

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          • Two Buckets says:

            Hi BI something brewing on the nasdaq they are taking an exra long lunch break

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          • BI,
            I think, this is the way its supposed to be…
            The normalcy bias and cognitive dissonance is not just endemic to our civilization, but to civilizations past. The ancient Aztecs and Mayans had the age or life of a culture at about 468 years… they knew something.
            How long has it been since we started crawling up out of the Dark ages of the Catholics? Over 400 years…?
            Interesting…

            The current mind sets are a symptom of even a Biblical prediction, that of being “given over to a deranged mind”. A deranged mind is a mind unable to take care of itself, unable to think, unable to plan, unable to make rational decisions… Ayn Rand even spoke about this, in Atlas Shrugged, the entire culture of the US turned upside down, and few could think rationally. It was blamed on the socialists, but I think it goes deeper into the heart of man. This is where the Animal of man lives, and the animal is against the Spirit of mens mind. The Herd cannot rationalize, only individual men can.

            Prepping, at the end of the day, is a moral and spiritual activity, which is individual, and liberty, as rocks, not bricks in the wall of Babel. We do not need leaders, to tell us right from wrong. Those who need leaders to tell them what to do, are the Animal Herd, and do not deserve liberty. The prudent man sees the storm on the horizon, and moves his stocks into the barn. The ten shofars(horns) dominate the world, the ten toes of iron and clay, are divided, the unprepared virgins suffer, while the prepared virgins(not OF the world) trim their wicks, fill their lamps and hide in a back room, for they see; Something wicked this way comes.

            Always and forever, something animal lives amongst us, as the Earth turns in cycles of construction, knowledge, prosperity, apathy, and destruction. Slow are the cycles, yet without them, the Earth is not replenished. In these cycles, most men, must, become fertilizer for the next cycle, for without death there cannot be life. The challenge, is to Remember that the Animal within is always with us, and civilization is only a veneer that is either nurtured as liberties flower, or it dies.

            The Ultimate Prepper, is the Spiritual Prepper.

            ;taken from The Spirituality of Prepping 101

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            • Them Guys says:

              The 5 prepared virgins were waiting for the Lord Jesus Christ to return. Thats Not something Wicked comming.

              There were no actual ten vrigins. It is a Parable that Jesus Chrsit used to teach with. He told the apostles when they asked Him why he speaks in Parables, it was because his messg was Not intended for the Ongodly etc to understand.(meaning the talmudic pharisee and their followers).

              Ten virgins is like the wheat and tares. as well as several more all are Parables. Not actual persons etc.

              That is all explained in a good acurate bible like KJV bibles. There is zero need to invent your own interpretations as its spelled out plainly.

              Theres also a severe Warning at end of book of Rev to NOT change or add or subtract from the words of That book as wrote!….Thats not a suggestion it is a command by God.

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              • Bull…. We are all victims of the Catholics, the Mother of Harlots named MYSTERY, and her daughters, those who wrote the Book, and misinterpreted the original works, and destroyed the works of the Lord and called them HERETIC.

                They speak the Blasphemy, if there is such a thing, you are a victim of it. Because you love money, you are willing to accept any bs, to justify you living your life and thinking you get a free pass…

                Why did the virgins hide in the back room?

                The Catholics, already CHANGED the wording of The Revelation my friend. What, it reveals, is unknown to this generation.
                They changed the interpretation of the last horse. In the Greek it is a Pale GREEN horse…
                May the curse be on them, if there is any curse in this Universe. I laugh at you and your 4th century mind. Curses? Superstitions and mysteries?

                Enjoy your MYSTERY. My words are not for you, nor yours for me.

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    65. Satori says:

      any doubt as to how law enforcement may act WTSHTF ???

      SWAT Cop Says American Neighborhoods Are “Battlefields,” Claims Cops Face Same Dangers As Soldiers In Afghanistan

      http://www.phantomreport.com/swat-cop-says-american-neighborhoods-are-battlefields-claims-cops-face-same-dangers-as-soldiers-in-afghanistan

      who will be more of a threat ?
      the “golden horde” or the police ???

      that guys mindset is pathological
      how many more like him are out there with a badge and a gun ???

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    66. Outlaw says:

      One of your best posts ever BI.

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    67. Be informed says:

      This could throw a big monkey wrench is BO care. Kind of interesting to read, especially if this Oklahoma court case wins over. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/08/21/the-biggest-obamacare-news-getting-little-attentio.aspx

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    68. Mountain Trekker says:

      anthrax

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    69. Proftel says:

      Basic to eat: protein and salt (sea, away from the West Coast Kkkkkk, radiation from Fukushima not kkkkkkkkkk).
      Grasshopper or ant or roach + salt.
      What appears then is kkkkkkkkkkkkkk profit!

      hehe.

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    70. Anonymous says:

      Oh Dear!

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    71. The realist says:

      We always must take account of – self preservation.. Those whom prep.. And hold their ear to the ground …Will prevail..

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    72. feed the hogs says:

      No mysterious issue here. Meeting is about how to make fanny mae and freddie mac go away. They are bankrupt.

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    73. billy says:

      President Richard Nixon spied on American people and look what happen to him he was impeached and the people that helped him went to jail at that time, our country was dealing with communist in those days but Nixon was not exactly looking for communist just the other party at that time he got caught. now our current president is doing the same thing that Nixon did and getting away with it what changed only thing I see different it went from communist to Al Qaeda and republican wake up America

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    74. Al Shockley says:

      @ BI – Well said. There is a certain comfort in knowing that there are others out there who are aware and remember how to think critically, who still care about the future of this country. The vast majority of the masses do not. I’d imagine that the establishment likes a dumbed down and easily manipulated populace anyway. Much easier to push their agenda.

      Shockley

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    75. Sad
      , but also another indicator of the decline

      also
      another dam good reason to pack a back up
      http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/50-000-abandoned-dogs-roaming-streets-of-detroit-in-packs-leaving-city-officials-overwhelmed-220610479.html

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    76. http://gma.yahoo.com/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-had-500-rounds-ammunition-160502772–abc-news-topstories.html

      Of course he did..how else can the government push litigation, laws, and other infringes on our RIGHTS!

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    77. Pissed off Granny says:

      I am pretty new to this site but am disgusted with the trolltards that share their “brilliant minds” with us. I am asking all of us to not spend any of our precious time responding to any of their comments. By not responding we will ruin their day. It will no longer be a fun game and eventually they will fade away.

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      • JayJay says:

        Don’t argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

        Pissed off–this group on this site for some reason just beckons to prove this often.

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        • Sigi says:

          I don’t know, I’ve seen just as many on Breitbart, more on zerohedge, and a lot of regular trolls on Town Hall until they decided to make people sign in with their Facebook account. Libs and fringe-extremists think they have some sacred call to brow beat anyone who disagrees with them, so they troll here.

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    78. PenCRNA says:

      After reading some of the posts here yesterday, I had an interesting conversation in our procedure room. The Doc I was working ith has a near photographic memory, and has the intelligence to apply hat he knows. You can have a legitimate conversation with him about anything.
      I asked him about anthrax being contracted through the conjunctive of the eyes ( ? Fom previous thread). He did not know the answer but wondered why I asked. I told him I read it on a blog. Well of course, ‘what blog?” He asks. He wondered if this was a bunch of dooms dayers and I told him no. I explained the mindset of the mainstream preppers on this site. He asked if I had two years of food, mre’s etc and I just stated that I prepare for prolonged power outage, etc. I don’t want all these folks showing up on my doorstep when they are hungry.
      Then, as he always does, took the position of devils advocate and said, well if we got a solar storm that knocked the grid out, we’d be in a world of hurt. So some asked “what do you do when the two years of food funds out?” I explained that folks already garden, save seeds, cann, preserve, have chickens when possible, and that two years of food gives folks a chance to make sure they get a good harvest for sustainability.
      Some light bulbs went off, but I think they dimmed as soon as the subject changed—except for the doc. He later said that his neighbor is an accountant and preps, but you would never know it. I may have turned one to the light yet!

      One at a time….

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    79. ponomo says:

      Will one poor soul need to produce his social security card to get into a FEMA camp …or a birth certificate in you know who’s case?

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    80. Satori says:

      “Tepco Has Lost Control” – What Is Really Happening At Fukushima In Four Charts

      http://www.zerohedge.com/node/477904

      and wanna know how the economy is doing?

      http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=A103600001&f=M

      gasoline sales down SUBSTANTIALLY

      there is NO recovery

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    81. PenCRNA says:

      @ BI. Gotta , maybe dumb question. Just saw amazing footage of a sinkhole in a lake in LA swamps. Do you know if anyone correlates that data to tectonic movements? Thanks.

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      • Be informed says:

        @ PenCRNA. Wasn’t that a sight to watch, trees disappearing into the depths of the water? Sinkholes are very common when there is a decrease in the water table due to water being pumped out or drought, even if the underground water table shifts for some reason, including tectonic. When the water table is high there is less of a cavity for the above land to fall into. Water takes up space and you seldom see sinkholes during extreme times of flooding. However after flooding subsides these underground channels that have eroded more of a cavity, sinkholes will begin forming.

        The methene gas bubble in the Gulf is always a concern. For what I have read is that the real emergency would be more off shore. The Weather Channel did a piece on what would happen if the gas ignited, fairly horrible. There could also be a pretty could size tsunami from such a gas bubble being released from the floor. This would be a large blob of mass rapidly coming to the surface. Kind of like a avalanche into the water. It could in the confines of the Gulf produce a 50 foot tsunami close by. The further away of course the tsunami would drop in size. The Canary Islands collapse would produce a massive tsunami nearby but by the time it reached the east coast it would be a few inches high to maybe 3-4 feet tops, is an example of the loss of kinetic energy over distance.

        There was another earthquake on the Mid Atlantic Ridge that was directed towards the New Madrid. The New Madrid is believed to have an ancient fault border that extrends into Louisana and the Gulf. At this point I would guess the sinkhole had to do with water table changing.

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    82. Satori says:

      WTF ???

      School Pressured to Stop Making Kids Kneel Before the Principal

      http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/school-pressured-to-stop-making-kids.html

      what the hell is going on in this country?

      someone please wake me up
      I’m having one hell of a nightmare

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    83. JayJay says:

      Watch minute 9:30-9:59
      Why..they..will..lose…every time!

      http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/video-is-something-about-to-happen/

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    84. Satori says:

      Mother Nature just keeps crankin’ ‘em out

      New H7N7 Brd Flu Strain Found in Chickens

      http://www.thepoultrysite.com/poultrynews/29849/new-h7n7-brd-flu-strain-found-in-chickens

      no known threat to humans at this point

      will keep you informed

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    85. Satori says:

      Flashback: US ‘backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt’: Report

      http://www.blacklistednews.com/Flashback%3A_US_'backed_plan_to_launch_chemical_weapon_attack_on_Syria%2C_blame_it_on_Assad_govt'%3A_Report/28310/0/0/0/Y/M.html

      and the governments response ???

      “According to the paper, the U.S. State Department has declined to comment on the matter. (ANI)”

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    86. badpuppydog says:

      folks….looks like trading has been suspended on the NASDAQ due to some kind of technical ” glitch’ ( yeah right ) This can’t be good.

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    87. Satori says:

      ‘The biggest ongoing disaster in the United States you haven’t heard of’

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/22/1233033/–The-biggest-ongoing-disaster-in-the-United-States-you-haven-t-heard-of

      check out the video

      and those dumb asses with the camera might disappear along with those cypress trees !

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    88. dave in Id says:

      Dow up this morning.CNN money headline is: dow ends six day losing streak (still have 3 hours left). 10 year bond is up to 2.91. No comment fron cnn on that.

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    89. UNCIVIL SERVANT DHS Manager Promoting Race War Against ‘Whites’, http://fxn.ws/1dwiNcT

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    90. badpuppydog says:

      10 year is up to 2.91 as well….:|

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    91. badpuppydog says:

      oopsy…didnt mean to parrot you dave…didnt see you posted that too cant be good right?

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      • eeder says:

        It really is not good, but it will get worse. And frankly we need it to get a lot worse before it gets any better. So let the yield skyrocket I say.

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    92. badpuppydog says:

      i’m hearing now that apple was taking a nose dive right before trading was suspended on the NASDAQ…interesting to say the least

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    93. Satori says:

      Expert: Chemical Weapons Victim Footage Appears “Set-Up”

      http://www.prisonplanet.com/expert-chemical-weapons-victim-footage-appears-set-up.html

      this is getting good

      how sad that they can’t even realistically pull off a false flag
      anymore

      yer supposed to bring your A game boys !!!

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      • Kevin2 says:

        What is sad is that even a very poorly done false flag still works. Why bother to make it any more believable than what’s necessary? They been doing this for so long without any serious questioning they’re cutting corners and they don’t care because there are no checks and balances anymore.

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    94. AMERICA, wake up this Marxist socialist/Communist is meeting with his Appointee’s, to move forward with his GUN Grab PROGRAM. Bypass the Constitution making Classes of citizens as Dangerous, Such as, un-paid tickets,taxes, child support, and all others, leaving only those whom has never or at present has no blemish. ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN????, You are Dangerous, this is just the tip of the Iceberg, NO AMERICAN CAN ESCAPE THE CLASS LABELS HE AND HIS GOON SQUADS CAN COME UP WITH: He is Muslim, “FIRST COMES SATURDAYS THEM COMES SUNDAYS”, Today in EGYPT there are no more SATURDAY”S (JEWISH CITIZENS) Massive Murders are being committed by the Muslim BrotherHood now. “THE NIGHT OF BROKEN GLASS” IS IN FULL OPERATION, SOON TO BE IN AMERICA ALSO.,

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      • Them Guys says:

        So Hobammy is in a secret meeting surrounded By a ton of bankster Jews, and they are all hatching a plan to get rid of and kill off jews?

        Where does your info come from? Lemme guess…Your info is from pastor John Hagee and FOX TV news like orielly or hannity and gretta vanjew zionists right?

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    95. Josh says:

      Probably trying to find out how to bring it all down before the financial aid school loan checks hit the bank… and all the people like me take all that money out to have on hand. Just in case shit hits the fan, I figure I’ll have 2-3 days to buy food/water/fuel and a few guns w/scopes. The whole school loan/check things are probably scaring them if they want to institute their plan in full before the end of the year. That would put too much money on hand for anyone who is in the know. :P :P

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    96. The Rifleman Next Door says:

      the USG has fucked up everything that it has ever tried to assume control over (AMTRAK comes to mind)….it might get bloody and ugly for awhile, but what makes any of you think that when push comes to shove they will be able to nix the U.S. Constitution and confiscate our weapons and wealth???

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      • Personally I don’t believe they have all the power they think they do…lots of people seem to think they are all powerful too…they haven’t had the “privledge” of fighting freedom loving Americans as of yet…they’ll not be so full of themselves after they do!

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    97. walt says:

      Probably to see if there is enough money in the budget for obammy to take another 100 million dollar vacation.
      Perhaps if they cut all benefits to the military, he can do a week at Marthas again.
      I hope he sits this one out like the last meeting and plays cards where he belongs.

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    98. NWO is scum says:

      The NWO system is to make everyone poor living in 200 square foot stacked and packed apartments and free up most of the land for the ultra rich like ted turner….worldwide agenda 21 plan.

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    99. NWO is scum says:

      The mega rich rockefellers, duponts, mellons, fords, krupps, thyssens, reynolds want a dumbed down population of slaves getting welfare checks, then they will make them work 15 hours a day for the govt checks. Their agenda is make the population extremely docile, dependent and criminal, ammoral so they can implement their genocide program and replace human slaves with robots.

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